"Woke" Is Nothing More Than A Rejection Of 2,500 Years Of Western Philosophy

This is a common theme in the posts and comments around here, but it bears repeating and repeating and repeating, because it really is an existential danger to Western civilization. You know; the best one yet devised.

It is a careful rejection of many things that have made us great, among them the Scientific Method, rational analysis, and, I think most of all, the simple skill of observation.

Woke Irrationality Is Undermining Civilization

It's a good article, worth reading in its entirety, but this passage encapsulates so much of what is wrong with our current culture. Here is one of the preeminent universities in the country consciously rejecting its own scholarship.

A variation on these ponderous themes is the kind of thing we recently encountered in an article published by Stanford University’s news service that seems a perfect example of largely symbolic idealism: “simple, but meaningful steps [people on campus] can take to reduce their environmental footprint.” Those steps consist of actions like converting lights to LEDs, updating aerators to save water, and reducing the use of disposable packaging and utensils.

Those actions are aimed at addressing climate change at the micro level, and there’s nothing wrong with them, to be sure. Certainly, small contributions can make a difference if they’re aggregated across a large population. But at Stanford, they seem to be missing the forest for the trees. At the same time the university encourages those baby steps, it embraces and encourages organic farming, which is wasteful of water and arable land. The university’s organic gardens prohibit the cultivation of plants crafted with modern genetic engineering technologies (including a groundbreaking one that was co-invented by a Stanford professor), and, incredibly, invited Vandana Shiva, an aggressively anti-science and anti-technology activist, to lecture to its students. Her rejection of modern agricultural technologies and encouragement of primitive farming methods in poor countries leads to low yields, vulnerability to pests and diseases, under-nutrition, and diminished longevity.
The dissonance between Stanford’s ostensible priorities—preeminence in science and technological innovation, and environmental stewardship—and its actions is a prime example of the schizophrenia of much of America’s liberal intelligentsia.

It's a theme that I have hammered in the Food Thread; caring for the environment and animal welfare are laudable ends, but when pursuit of those ends jeopardizes the health, and in some cases the lives of human beings, then those objectives must be subordinated to the larger and more important goal of the improvement in the human condition. Anything less is a rejection of the primacy of man, which of course is one of the points of Woke culture!

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

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1 They're anti-civilization and anti-human.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 23, 2020 12:17 PM (NWiLs)

2 Exactly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 12:18 PM (dLLD6)

3 Ha ha, your turn to get them Insomniac

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 12:18 PM (ZCEU2)

4 BRAWNDO!!! It's what plants want!

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 12:20 PM (q3gwH)

5 Just kinda posted about this downstairs, Barak fundamentally changing America, so a do over without freedom and liberty.

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 12:20 PM (ZCEU2)

6 Similar to your comments in food threads...Russ Roberts in his book "How Adam Smith Can Change Your Life" has a great quote on the buying local food movement. Paraphrased, he said, "We tried buying local once. It was called the Middle Ages."

Posted by: D G at February 23, 2020 12:20 PM (hnwLO)

7 "Woke" is just a bunch of crap that the utes of today will look back on and realize how stupid they are and were and what a waste it was in their rush to the poor house.

Nothing will "Wake" you up faster than being over 40 and a broke ass chump.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 23, 2020 12:21 PM (Z+IKu)

8 A "rejection of the primacy of man" -- right, no more dominion over animals, 'cause like, we're just like them, man! The leftists are trying very hard to make this so through their so-called education.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 23, 2020 12:23 PM (0ReGO)

9

Woke is embracing stupidity. Woke is denying reality and saying whatever fantasy some lunatic wants we have to accept

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 23, 2020 12:23 PM (SpbMr)

10 My wife keeps telling me that I am the wokest!

Posted by: Mayor Pete at February 23, 2020 12:25 PM (Pgcou)

11 So you're saying wokeness is just another name for Marxism.

You're not wrong.

Posted by: blaster at February 23, 2020 12:25 PM (ZfRYq)

12 These are the people that would rather poor Africans and Asians starve to death than get accesse to golden rice and other such sources of sustenance because "ZOMG GMO FRANKENFOOD!"

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 23, 2020 12:25 PM (NWiLs)

13
I have almost had nothing to do with any college or university for some time. Apparently the full scope of the political correctness disaster has to be seen to be believed.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 23, 2020 12:26 PM (t5m5e)

14 "Woke" Is Nothing More Than A Rejection Of 2,500 Years Of Western Philosophy

Or as Thomas Sowell put it:

"Much of the social history of the Western world, over
the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with
what sounded good."

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 23, 2020 12:27 PM (SpbMr)

15 They're anti-civilization and anti-human.

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They're radical humanists who believe that the human soul, human spirit, and human freedom have no value.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 12:27 PM (+y/Ru)

16

I used to say, just a few years ago, we were living out
The Grand Inquisitor. I still think so.

The Leftists, who are really Fascists pretending to be Leftists, who have had no hand in developing Civilization nor technology, have decided that they can convince the World it would do better under their Rule.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 12:29 PM (TiELo)

17 "Woke" Is Nothing More Than A Rejection Of 2,500 Years Of Western Philosophy

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Woke is just another word for nothing left to lose
And nothing ain't worth nothing but sure ain't free

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)

18 It's a nice day to start again.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at February 23, 2020 12:31 PM (PUmDY)

19 Howie Kurtz media show is unwatchable without Mollie Hemingway. Today's big media outrage? That Trump had the audacity to point out that the jury in the Stone trial was tainted...the liberal reporter on from Axios was literally full of rage over it! the horror! When Mollie points out that if PDT hadn't pointed it out, Americans would probably never had been talking about the problems in the judicial system in DC - since the media was ignoring it - Howie just cut her off and told her what the real story was here...OrangeManBad, that's what!

God, what a retard Kurtz is.

Posted by: Boswell at February 23, 2020 12:32 PM (32YRo)

20 I don't believe Biden has anywhere close to 28% support in South Carolina. That poll is 6 months ago numbers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 12:33 PM (q3gwH)

21 "caring for the environment and animal welfare are laudable ends, but when pursuit of those ends jeopardizes the health, and in some cases the lives of human beings, then those objectives must be subordinated to the larger and more important goal of the improvement in the human condition. Anything less is a rejection of the primacy of man"

A more cogent argument for pure maple syrup on French Toast has yet to be made.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austerely Unwoke at February 23, 2020 12:34 PM (hRBhw)

22 Somehow I doubt the manbun sporting soyboy would have lasted long 2501 years ago.

Posted by: henry at February 23, 2020 12:35 PM (J3Rfi)

23 Willowed from the Book thread...and edited for more as my blood pressure rising caused me to forget a point...

I'm old enough to recall 2008, when Obama, encouraging his supporters in a Columbia, Mo campaign event saying '...we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.'

Also fresh in my memory is the hubris from the then WH 'occupant' that prolonged the Great recession, pushed unemployment to new heights--only to be exceeded by the spike in US debt. Wasted spending on alternative energy (Solyndra), cash for clunkers , not to mention the government-grab of health insurance. Fundamentally transformed enough so the Obama's added to their $1.65 million (2005) Chicago home, a 2017 home purchase in DC at $8.1 million and recently a 29 ac. Martha's Vineyard Estate for $11.75 million (reduced from over 14 million!). No wonder Bernie needs 3 homes-- keeping up with the Joneses/Obamas. Smells alot like a 'banana republic' socialism to me.

I've seen enough of this. Now, new bottles of snake-oil (cancelling student loans, M4A {O-care deux?}, NGD, gun control) are up for sale by Bernie and AOC (& Warren). But, we should trust Bernie to get socialism right this time- not me.

Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice...

I was born at night. Just not last night.

Posted by: socalcon at February 23, 2020 12:35 PM (Roy2Z)

24 Who needs a coherent philosophy espousing dignity and ethical behavior as the basis for a "social" civilization, when a socialist utopia awaits us here on earth!

But only if we elect Comrade Bernie.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 12:36 PM (BiNEL)

25 Those actions are aimed at addressing climate change at the micro level, and there's nothing wrong with them, to be sure

Sure there is something wrong with it. That is what the liberals always do. They talk about "climate change" or originally "global warming" as if it is already a proven FACT. The actual fact is here is no climate change, or global warming. They are all either liars or idiots.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2020 12:36 PM (mpXpK)

26 Glad I don't watch Fox news anymore

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 12:36 PM (ZCEU2)

27 [Tried to quote the last paragraph, mu.nu won't accept it... you can read it above yourself]

In addition to misusing the word "schizophrenia," I think the article rather misses the point by a mile.

There is nothing incongruent between the "woke" culture, and the Gospel of Scientism. To say that places like Stanford are chock full of the historical achievements of science, is not the same as saying what currently passes for science is anything like that.

Indeed, I would be curious to know what the so-called scientists at Stanford are working on, when it comes to agriculture and all that. I'm assuming it's overrun with globall warmening tripe, and not at all fixed on making agriculture more workable for humans.

Because the overarching theme of all of this, the communist push that underlies it all... we humans are the problem, and they want fewer of us. They want to see a world without humanity polluting the precious planet, and they're pretty darned sure that whatever they can do to kill off as many of us as possible, that's the greater good.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 12:36 PM (hku12)

28 We here believe that you should learn "2500 Years of Western Philosophy" from the back of ~~comic~~ graphic novels. A little light reading in your spare time. "Anybody can learn it." What could go wrong?

If you actually study that stuff, you can look forward to a career making coffee. All fucking week long, eight days a week. Without cease.

We suddenly rediscover it, a few cherce quotes at a time, when we have just had our ass handed us in argument. But then, we can burn a university.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at February 23, 2020 12:36 PM (8IOEj)

29 Woke is another way of saying, " I'm a fucking retard who cannot survive without other fucking retards telling me what to think, say, and do. And if you don't agree with us then we must destroy you because you are not a fucking retard and that gives us bad feels. "

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at February 23, 2020 12:37 PM (myjNJ)

30 So many of the people pushing this "woke" stuff are, uh, new to western civilization, IYKWIM? I am all for immigration (with assimilation) but it seems so often when you read some an online woke rant, or read about some campus/industry woke scandal, you look at the bio of the one(s) who started it and see that they are a foreign student, immigrant, or 1 generation American (or Australian, Brit, etc.).

Not saying all immigrants or even majority of immigrants are anti-western civilization, or that this is exclusive to newcomers (Lord knows there are a lot of idiot woke Americans) just that there's a noticeable pattern when these woke movements and scandals pop up.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2020 12:38 PM (bDqIh)

31 They are DEVO!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 23, 2020 12:39 PM (aKsyK)

32 The Leftists, who are really Fascists pretending to be Leftists, who have had no hand in developing Civilization nor technology, have decided that they can convince the World it would do better under their Rule.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 12:29 PM (TiELo)

But they know in their black and shriveled hearts that their ability to reign correctly is a true fact, and after all only a few eggs are required to be broken in order make a perfect socialist omelet.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 12:40 PM (BiNEL)

33 Nothing sure/pure lyrics are great.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at February 23, 2020 12:40 PM (PUmDY)

34 That Trump had the audacity to point out that the jury in the Stone trial was tainted...the liberal reporter on from Axios was literally full of rage over it! the horror!

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NBC News claims some Democrats are worried Trump might drag Bernie for basically being a communist!

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THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 12:40 PM (+y/Ru)

35 I was reading an article the other that presented data showing boomers as a generation and people who are global warming skeptics recycled more of their waste than the younger and/or "woker" counterparts.

Recycling be hard work.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at February 23, 2020 12:41 PM (cCxiu)

36 'Woke' is the latest weapon used for 'progress' against their enemies.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 23, 2020 12:41 PM (g6OQO)

37 Liberalism is a mental disorder. The worst thing it does is enable other, more horrible mental disorders.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 23, 2020 12:42 PM (l9m7l)

38 It's a perfect pre-fab philosophy for people without the knowledge or reasoning capacity to develop their own, a list of dos and don'ts that should just be blindly followed, requiring no understanding.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2020 12:43 PM (oVJmc)

39 Wokeness and SJW activism is simply the means by which incompetent people gain power and control over competent people.

And even the most competent amongst the woke will always be denounced ("cancelled") by the treacherous malevolent incompetents.

Posted by: RokShox at February 23, 2020 12:44 PM (fW/Hg)

40
The Left: Okay, Boomers, you built everything, and now it's time to let us take over and make it good.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 12:44 PM (TiELo)

41 So many of the people pushing this "woke" stuff are, uh, new to western civilization, IYKWIM? I am all for immigration (with assimilation) but it seems so often when you read some an online woke rant, or read about some campus/industry woke scandal, you look at the bio of the one(s) who started it and see that they are a foreign student, immigrant, or 1 generation American (or Australian, Brit, etc.).

Not saying all immigrants or even majority of immigrants are anti-western civilization, or that this is exclusive to newcomers (Lord knows there are a lot of idiot woke Americans) just that there's a noticeable pattern when these woke movements and scandals pop up.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2020 12:38 PM (bDqIh)

I've noticed this too. Lots of people in print media, and maybe to a lesser extent, you see names like Grbazooba Mkbunga for bylines.

You see a lot fewer "journalists" with names like Mary and John, or Kevin. Granted, there aren't that many smart people named Kevin, but still...

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 12:45 PM (hku12)

42
I was reading an article the other that presented data showing boomers
as a generation and people who are global warming skeptics recycled more
of their waste than the younger and/or "woker" counterparts.
=====

I think enough older people have respect for waste that they would not lightly throw away either people or objects.

If you know some depression and before people, you will see that the idea of throwing away something useful is anaethema.

These little snowflakes have no earthly idea.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2020 12:45 PM (MIKMs)

43
I've noticed this too. Lots of people in print media, and maybe to a lesser extent, you see names like Grbazooba Mkbunga for bylines.

You see a lot fewer "journalists" with names like Mary and John, or Kevin. Granted, there aren't that many smart people named Kevin, but still...
Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 12:45 PM (hku12)

Meant to say there "to a lesser extent on teevee..."

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 12:45 PM (hku12)

44 From the article:

"The broader point is that, echoing Professor Sagan and Lord Taverne, we are increasingly sacrificing common sense and rationality to a kind of mindless idealism."

Oh it might be mindless at the edges, but its cultural Marxism at its core, and it is working exactly as intended.

Posted by: Flubber at February 23, 2020 12:46 PM (PQnIX)

45 They are like woke defective robots.

"KILL ALL HUMANS"

Their solutions always involve eliminating a hefty percentage of present and future humans. Bonus points for getting every last one.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 23, 2020 12:46 PM (e1mEI)

46

In conclusion:

There Will Never Be A Jonas Salk Among This Crowd/Generation of Leftists

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 12:48 PM (TiELo)

47 Somehow I doubt the manbun sporting soyboy would have lasted long 2501 years ago.

Posted by: henry at February 23, 2020 12:35 PM

Oh they had a place. For instance, the Tahitians called them Mahu and they took care of domestic tasks.

Posted by: Bert G at February 23, 2020 12:48 PM (OMsf+)

48 The Left: Okay, Boomers, you built everything, and now it's time to let us take over and make it good.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 12:44 PM (TiELo)

Statistically, I bet there's a much stronger correlation between people who were NOT raised in two parent (bio father and mother) families and wokeness, than there is between wokeness and age/generations.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 12:48 PM (hku12)

49

All of these companies that go woke are too stupid to understand that they can never appease the mob. Once you give in at all you are finished because the woke monster will demand more and more until there is nothing left. So go ahead with the rainbow shit, global warming and other wokeness and just go out of business.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 23, 2020 12:48 PM (kWkNp)

50

Okay, you got all these idiots running around espousing this "woke" shit, so what do you DO with them?
Stick them over to one side, where they bother no one, change their viewpoint or kill 'em to allow the sane ones to administer things?

Posted by: irongrampa at February 23, 2020 12:49 PM (KATBx)

51
There's not a Henry Ford among them.

There's not a George Washington among them.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 12:49 PM (TiELo)

52
This is the making of Idiocracy.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 12:50 PM (TiELo)

53 Rush has said it best, I think. The woke crowd is made up of all the people that were never taught critical thinking nor how to connect the dots.

They are easily manipulated, and will always do what they're told by their masters.

Posted by: Sooner at February 23, 2020 12:51 PM (Fs5vw)

54 Because the overarching theme of all of this, the communist push that underlies it all... we humans are the problem, and they want fewer of us. They want to see a world without humanity polluting the precious planet, and they're pretty darned sure that whatever they can do to kill off as many of us as possible, that's the greater good.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 12:36 PM (hku12)

They believe in the zero sum game - kill off 90% and that is ten times as much for them.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 23, 2020 12:51 PM (1g7ch)

55 Joe Biden held a rally in Las Vegas and his comments raised more questions about just how firm his grip on the narrative really is. He told his supporters, "Y'all did it for me! Now we're on our way to South Carolina!"

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Yes, Virginia, there really is brain damage.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 12:51 PM (+y/Ru)

56 Okay, you got all these idiots running around espousing this "woke" shit, so what do you DO with them?
Posted by: irongrampa at February 23, 2020 12:49 PM (KATBx)

Carnival sideshow.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 12:51 PM (t+qrx)

57 Recycling is a net money loser. Most of what we dutifully "recycle" winds up in the landfills anyways. I have a box of dead batteries...it's not easy to find anyone who will take them much less actually recycle them. There were some recent articles about this. Now that we are all mostly trained to recycle they want to keep us trained so they won't stop recycling programs even though there is little actual recycling going on.

Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2020 12:52 PM (WUuhi)

58 Okay, you got all these idiots running around espousing this woke shit, so what do you DO with them?

Buy them spots in Musks Mars Colony

Posted by: henry at February 23, 2020 12:52 PM (J3Rfi)

59 Okay, you got all these idiots running around espousing this "woke" shit, so what do you DO with them?
Stick them over to one side, where they bother no one, change their viewpoint or kill 'em to allow the sane ones to administer things?
Posted by: irongrampa at February 23, 2020 12:49 PM (KATBx)

Well, they're here, and you could kill them all, but that would get messy.

No, I think the answer is, preach to the next generation. Go back to the basics.

Start with the concept that a mother and father raising their children as married couples is an ideal that is worth shooting for, wherever and whenever possible.

There are lots of kids who haven't yet started to have kids, who know this well, because of what they are seeing in their own lives, and the lives of classmates around them.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 12:53 PM (hku12)

60 There's not a Henry Ford among them.

There's not a George Washington among them.

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But plenty of Lavrentiy Beria.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 12:54 PM (+y/Ru)

61 Nothing will "Wake" you up faster than being over 40 and a broke ass chump.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Sadly, no. There are plenty of post-40 people who are willing to attribute all their many problems to "millyuna-as and billyuna-as".

Posted by: pep at February 23, 2020 12:54 PM (T6t7i)

62 There's not a Henry Ford among them.

There's not a George Washington among them.

But plenty of Lavrentiy Beria.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 12:54 PM (+y/Ru)

Stacks of Trofim Lysenkos.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 12:54 PM (t+qrx)

63 I don't believe Biden has anywhere close to 28% support in South Carolina. That poll is 6 months ago numbers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 12:33 PM (q3gwH)

The Real Clear Politics average on Jan 1 was Biden +19% over whoever was in second. The most recent was +3.7%. He's collapsing faster than a dog faced pony soldier

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 23, 2020 12:55 PM (kWkNp)

64 35 I was reading an article the other that presented data showing boomers as a generation and people who are global warming skeptics recycled more of their waste than the younger and/or "woker" counterparts.

Recycling be hard work.
Posted by: The Walking Dude

As in my primitive camping days. Always left the spot cleaner than when found.

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2020 12:55 PM (MTxDQ)

65 "Yes, Virginia, there really is brain damage"

He's gonna make a great Presidential candidate.

Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 12:55 PM (Tnijr)

66 Rush has said it best, I think. The woke crowd is made up of all the people that were never taught critical thinking nor how to connect the dots.

They are easily manipulated, and will always do what they're told by their masters.
Posted by: Sooner at February 23, 2020 12:51 PM (Fs5vw)

That's true, for the masses. It's always been true for the masses... but it's not true for the leaders. They know damned well what they are doing, and are applying some of the most disciplined reasoning and critical thinking that is happening on the planet right now.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 12:56 PM (hku12)

67
The only population these people want to limit is the one that built the country and remembers what it is.

One demographic is taught they are a planetary toxin, others are paid to have eight children per family.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 23, 2020 12:56 PM (t5m5e)

68 The woke crowd is made up of all the people that were never taught critical thinking nor how to connect the dots.

I know a public school "teacher" with whom I argued about critical thinking; his stance was that he taught critical thinking to his students and that's why their thinking was leftist like his. What he really meant by "critical thinking" was actually critical theory. He thought it was all the same.

Posted by: Bert G at February 23, 2020 12:56 PM (OMsf+)

69 One of the most absurd things I've heard lately is Delta going carbon neutral.

Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 12:56 PM (Tnijr)

70 I just woke up

Posted by: REDACTED at February 23, 2020 12:58 PM (rpxSz)

71 For every mile of plane flight they could plant a million trees. Pretty soon the planet will look like f'n Endor.

Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 12:59 PM (Tnijr)

72 Recycling is a net money loser. Most of what we dutifully "recycle" winds up in the landfills anyways. I have a box of dead batteries...it's not easy to find anyone who will take them much less actually recycle them. There were some recent articles about this. Now that we are all mostly trained to recycle they want to keep us trained so they won't stop recycling programs even though there is little actual recycling going on.
Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2020 12:52 PM (WUuhi)

Landfills get a bad rap. Remember when we used to have garbage dumps? Those were nasty, but landfills are often, if you go anywhere near a metro area, the most pristine areas in and around a community.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 12:59 PM (hku12)

73

Yeah, because Jet Blue announced they were going to be 100% carbon neutral!

Solar planes, you say??

No, of course not!
Jet Blue will be purchasing the SCAM carbon offsets.
Here's the punch-in-the-nuts-line: Jet Blue says they won't raise fares.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 12:59 PM (TiELo)

74 69
One of the most absurd things I've heard lately is Delta going carbon neutral.

Everybody flap your arms, we're losing altitude!

Posted by: pep at February 23, 2020 12:59 PM (T6t7i)

75 I can't find any "final" Nevada #'s because of paywalls...what was the final score?

Posted by: BignJames at February 23, 2020 01:00 PM (X/Pw5)

76 I know a public school "teacher" with whom I argued about critical thinking; his stance was that he taught critical thinking to his students and that's why their thinking was leftist like his. What he really meant by "critical thinking" was actually critical theory. He thought it was all the same.
Posted by: Bert G at February 23, 2020 12:56 PM (OMsf+)

Yes. Critical theory is not LIKE communism, it IS communism.

Plain and simple.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 01:00 PM (hku12)

77 I can't find any "final" Nevada #'s because of paywalls...what was the final score?

Posted by: BignJames at February 23, 2020 01:00 PM

I don't know that there is one yet. It appears they handled it worse than Iowa.

Posted by: Bert G at February 23, 2020 01:01 PM (OMsf+)

78
What's funny is I'll bet my left nut that the CEO of Jet Blue is involved in the Carbon Offset scam, therefore putting $$ in his pocket every time he "buys" an "offset."

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 01:02 PM (TiELo)

79 I can't find any "final" Nevada #'s because of paywalls...what was the final score?
Posted by: BignJames at February 23, 2020 01:00 PM (X/Pw5)

Final score:

F*cktardism 1, USA 0.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 01:02 PM (hku12)

80 My idea for nanobots that separate the trash into its constituent parts will eventually become reality, so in the meantime it's ok to throw all of your trash into a landfill. You are in effect concentrating resources for future generations to mine.

Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 01:02 PM (Tnijr)

81 I wish I could get my wife woke this Sunday morning. Breakfast won't gonna cook itself.

Posted by: Slow Steve at February 23, 2020 01:03 PM (Pgcou)

82 Rush has said it best, I think. The woke crowd is made up of all the
people that were never taught critical thinking nor how to connect the
dots.

They are easily manipulated, and will always do what they're told by their masters.

Posted by: Sooner at February 23, 2020 12:51 PM (Fs5vw)

It is a generation of Red Guards. They don't know their ass from their elbow but they can squawk like well trained parrots all of the leftist talking points. And they flip the fark out if you question them on any of it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 23, 2020 01:04 PM (kWkNp)

83
That's what this Carbon Offset Scam is all about.

The rich and elite (politicians) are the ones who are operating the scam, so when they buy the offsets, it's coming out of one pocket and going into another. But when they Force Us to buy offsets, it's all going into their pockets!

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 01:04 PM (TiELo)

84 And if we never develop the technology to mine landfills, the Earth will take care of the recycling part eventually anyway.

Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 01:04 PM (Tnijr)

85 I can't find any "final" Nevada #'s because of paywalls...what was the final score?

Posted by: BignJames at February 23, 2020 01:00 PM

I don't know that there is one yet. It appears they handled it worse than Iowa.

Posted by: Bert G at February 23, 2020 01:01 PM (OMsf+)

Here's a link to the LV Review-Journal's results page. I've found it's best to hit refresh every once in a while than to rely on their auto-refresh. Right now it's sitting at 1266 of 2097 precincts reporting:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/nevada-caucus-results-2020/

Posted by: Vendette at February 23, 2020 01:05 PM (nRNOc)

86 One of the most absurd things I've heard lately is Delta going carbon neutral.
Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 12:56 PM (Tnijr)

Chaining the passengers to the oars is going to make a really big comeback when flying Delta!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 01:05 PM (BiNEL)

87 Someone should put together a video with Lenin's words on a Bernie video and show students and ask if they agree or not.

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 01:05 PM (ZCEU2)

88 the whole "Stay Woke!" bumper sticker/mindset/resistance du jour/retardation/whatever is right up there with
"When Clinton lied, no one died!"
or my personal favorite
"Where were you when the bridges blew??" (reference to GW Bush and Brownie at DHS blowing up bridges in New Orleans in the wake of the Katrina Hurricane in order to kill/remove urban dwellers because rayciss.

Posted by: secret squirrel at February 23, 2020 01:05 PM (xyImL)

89 83
That's what this Carbon Offset Scam is all about.

The rich and elite (politicians) are the ones who are operating the scam, so when they buy the offsets, it's coming out of one pocket and going into another. But when they Force Us to buy offsets, it's all going into their pockets!
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 01:04 PM (TiELo)

It's selling indulgences all over again.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 23, 2020 01:06 PM (NWiLs)

90 57
Recycling is a net money loser. Most of what we dutifully "recycle"
winds up in the landfills anyways. I have a box of dead batteries...it's
not easy to find anyone who will take them much less actually recycle
them. There were some recent articles about this. Now that we are all
mostly trained to recycle they want to keep us trained so they won't
stop recycling programs even though there is little actual recycling
going on.

Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2020 12:52 PM (WUuhi)

It is a proven fact that the recycling of residential waste has always been a money making racket. Here in or county that went to a program where you had to separate trash into different bins at the dump for recycling. If you hung around the dump and waited for a truck to some by to collect it the only thing that separate trucks came for was steel and aluminum cans. Everything else went into one truck and straight to the dump.

The citizens after a while got tired of it and the "special bags" we had to buy for household garbage. The county finally said OK, we will get rid of it but we will have to raise taxes to make up for the "loss of revenue". That was the the admision that the whole thing was a fraud.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2020 01:07 PM (mpXpK)

91 74 86

Hive mind!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 01:07 PM (BiNEL)

92 >>I was reading an article the other that presented data showing boomers
as a generation and people who are global warming skeptics recycled more
of their waste than the younger and/or "woker" counterparts.

I would imagine that older generations - Boomers, Gen X - in general are less inclined to use disposable items, where possible, simply because these single use habits, such as buying your morning coffee, buying bottled water weren't always the norm. As things have gotten more convenient, they've often gotten more wasteful/generate more trash.

And then there's so many items today that are built to be obsolete sooner - buying a new phone every year, upgrading/replacing appliances more often - this generates more waste/trash, too. If younger generations have been trained to upgrade more frequently, then they are generating more waste.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2020 01:08 PM (bDqIh)

93 And if we never develop the technology to mine landfills, the Earth will take care of the recycling part eventually anyway.
Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 01:04 PM (Tnijr)

What's really really funny is, people in the suburbs gnashing their teeth at the thought of a large landmass, some distance away from any development, with grass and trees growing meekly... wind whistling through... all on top of a heap of waste matter.

So where do you think they buried all that stuff BEFORE we came up with landfills? Hmmm???

That's right, folks, right there under you freakin' suburban house. You wouldn't even have to dig down that far (not that you're allowed to dig on your own property, but still...), that's where it is. Everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink, when the city folk wanted to get rid of it, they went a few miles out of town, and dumped it.

Where you're living.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 01:08 PM (hku12)

94
In my 2x4 town there isn't a lot of "woke", most live in reality. But in the last few years, you can notice it bubbling around the edges.

I can wear my MAGA hat with impunity and incur nothing more threatening than an occasional side eye.

We have a LARGE military presence so conservatism is prevalent in politics though the wokies are around, just not very loud about it.

Could this change? Sure could, it would only require one, maybe 2 elections going wrong.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 23, 2020 01:09 PM (KATBx)

95 Posted by: Vendette at February 23, 2020 01:05 PM (nRNOc)

Being a #Woke progressive doesn't mean you need to, or should, be a "competent" progressive!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 01:10 PM (BiNEL)

96 One of the most absurd things I've heard lately is Delta going carbon neutral.

Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 12:56 PM (Tnijr)

Microsoft wants to be carbon negative by 2030. Negative. I guess they are going out of business in 10 years

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 23, 2020 01:10 PM (kWkNp)

97 You are in effect concentrating resources for future generations to mine.

Posted by: freaked
Making aluminum from ore is very energy intensive so it makes recycling sense, as (maybe) does steel. Everything else is a waste of time. However, you are correct. We are simply making it easy for future generations to use more advanced technology to mine the resource.

Posted by: pep at February 23, 2020 01:10 PM (T6t7i)

98 Posted by: Vendette at February 23, 2020 01:05 PM (nRNOc)

Thanks V!

Posted by: BignJames at February 23, 2020 01:11 PM (X/Pw5)

99 Could this change? Sure could, it would only require one, maybe 2 elections going wrong.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 23, 2020 01:09 PM (KATBx)

Slowly...

then all at once!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 01:11 PM (BiNEL)

100 New Economic Theory : Go Woke, Go Broke.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 01:12 PM (zr5Kq)

101 To my understanding carbon offsets are pollution all you want just pay off someone else who isn't.

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 01:12 PM (ZCEU2)

102 75
I can't find any "final" Nevada #'s because of paywalls...what was the final score?

Posted by: BignJames at February 23, 2020 01:00 PM (X/Pw5)

The NV caucus results are on Wiki. Just "Bing" 2020 Nevada Democratic caucuses and you will get the results. Commie Bernie won big.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2020 01:14 PM (mpXpK)

103
I can't find any "final" Nevada #'s because of paywalls...what was the final score?

Posted by: BignJames at February 23, 2020 01:00 PM (X/Pw5)

Most sources are showing Comrade Bernie: 46%, Slow Joe: 19%, Buttplug: 15%, Squaw Liz: 10%, No Klo-mentum: 5%, Steyerfoam: 4%

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 23, 2020 01:15 PM (kWkNp)

104 To my understanding carbon offsets are pollution all you want just pay off someone else who isn't.

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 01:12 PM

Pay no attention to the polluter behind the Carbon Exchange curtain!

Posted by: The Great and Powerful ManBearPig at February 23, 2020 01:16 PM (OMsf+)

105 To my understanding carbon offsets are pollution all you want just pay off someone else who isn't.
Posted by: Skip

Send all you monies to me. I promise I won't carbon dioxide anymore.

Or build nuclear weapons. Honest!

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2020 01:17 PM (vd8XM)

106 The Dems are not going to let a crazy old white guy who isn't even a Democrat be their candidate. They are going to let a crazy old white guy who has always been a Democrat be their candidate.

Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 01:17 PM (Tnijr)

107 It is a proven fact that the recycling of residential waste has always been a money making racket. Here in or county that went to a program where you had to separate trash into different bins at the dump for recycling. If you hung around the dump and waited for a truck to some by to collect it the only thing that separate trucks came for was steel and aluminum cans. Everything else went into one truck and straight to the dump.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2020 01:07 PM (mpXpK)

We used to have Mexicans paw through the recycling bins. What did they take? Glass and aluminum. Left everything else. Because it was worthless.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2020 01:17 PM (GRbI+)

108 "Could this change? Sure could, it would only require one, maybe 2 elections going wrong.
Posted by: irongrampa
Slowly...
then all at once!"

Change "elections" to "electrons" and that would still hold true.

Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 01:19 PM (Tnijr)

109 it's better for Gaia to make new glass than it is to recycle from what I've read....

Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2020 01:19 PM (WUuhi)

110 One of the things I look forward to seeing in a Sanders v Trump match is exactly where people and states stand.

This is exactly what we should want.

Not a Dem lying about who and what they are.

May all the masks fall.

Posted by: Ha at February 23, 2020 01:19 PM (45Em2)

111 I believe I (and most everyone here) understands what delta and JetBlue are doing with their "carbon neutrality" announcements. The airlines take a lot of criticism from the green freaks like aoc. They're too gutless to fight it, so instead they decided " let's buy indulgences,and then share our own passengers a surcharge for them, and then we can proclaim our Great Virtue at no actual cost! "

When companies start running morals based marketing, this kind of scam will be everywhere.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 01:19 PM (q3gwH)

112 It is a proven fact that the recycling of residential waste has always been a money making racket. Here in or county that went to a program where you had to separate trash into different bins at the dump for recycling. If you hung around the dump and waited for a truck to some by to collect it the only thing that separate trucks came for was steel and aluminum cans. Everything else went into one truck and straight to the dump.

Posted by: Vic

The plant I worked for was big on recycling the cardboard that we received in with our raw materials. When first started, we actually got money for it. Then we started paying more...and more...and...

The upper management wanted us to find an outfit that would pay US again. When told that wasn't happening, they were gobsmacked.

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2020 01:20 PM (vd8XM)

113 When companies start running morals based marketing, this kind of scam will be everywhere.

Posted by: Tom Servo

When?

Posted by: pep at February 23, 2020 01:21 PM (T6t7i)

114 Chaining the passengers to the oars is going to make a really big comeback when flying Delta!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 01:05 PM (BiNEL)

With a big beefy guy beating a drum to keep the passengers in rhythm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax7wcShvrus

Coming to a Delta airliner near you.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2020 01:22 PM (GRbI+)

115 75
Bernie is doubled the second place holder (currently Uncle Joe).

The whole Nevada Caucus process is a bit confusing, but according to the decisiondeskhq website (free with registering) still shows barely over 60% reporting.

IDK is this delay usual, Iowa Caucus problems, or something else altogether (DNCe preparing to screw Bernie, again?)

Posted by: socalcon at February 23, 2020 01:22 PM (Roy2Z)

116 114 Chaining the passengers to the oars is going to make a really big comeback when flying Delta!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 01:05 PM (BiNEL)

With a big beefy guy beating a drum to keep the passengers in rhythm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax7wcShvrus

Coming to a Delta airliner near you.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2020 01:22 PM (GRbI+)

Captain wants to go parasailing after lunch...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 23, 2020 01:22 PM (NWiLs)

117 Most sources are showing Comrade Bernie: 46%, Slow Joe: 19%, Buttplug: 15%, Squaw Liz: 10%, No Klo-mentum: 5%, Steyerfoam: 4%
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 23, 2020 01:15 PM (kWkNp)

"Steyerfoam"....hahahaha.

Classic.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 23, 2020 01:22 PM (Z+IKu)

118 To my understanding carbon offsets are pollution all you want just pay off someone else who isn't.
=====

Trading Pokemon cards.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2020 01:24 PM (MIKMs)

119 "Anything less is a rejection of the primacy of man, which of course is one of the points of Woke culture!"

That's really it. It's an ideology planted in self loathing.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 23, 2020 01:24 PM (H8QX8)

120 So Stanford wants to go full Malthusian?

Okay, the students can only eat what the school farms produce. Nothing else.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 23, 2020 01:24 PM (Rdohv)

121 Steyerfoam is pretty good. Where's Blumburg in all that?

Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2020 01:24 PM (WUuhi)

122 Lol they are only reporting 60% in NV so far and Buttgig is questioning the results.

Posted by: Ha at February 23, 2020 01:25 PM (45Em2)

123 I love being anti-woke.
Idiots have no idea anyone could be.
It's fun.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 23, 2020 01:25 PM (9OMtu)

124 Steyerfoam is pretty good. Where's Blumburg in all that?

Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2020 01:24 PM (WUuhi)

I don't think Bloomers was on the ballot. He's sitting it out until Super Tuesday.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 23, 2020 01:27 PM (kWkNp)

125 Idiot liberals (BIRM) are drawing a bead on styrofoam, apparently not recognizing styrofoam is mostly air, with very little polystyrene in it. Put a little acetone on a piece of styrofoam and be amazed as it crumples to practically nothing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2020 01:27 PM (GRbI+)

126 Certainly the NeverTrumpers have to have a Bernie dossier. Don't they? Wouldn't they? How can they NOT!

I mean, a guy that old has to be pissing the bed. A little photoshop, and voila!

Posted by: socalcon at February 23, 2020 01:28 PM (Roy2Z)

127 125
Idiot liberals (BIRM) are drawing a bead on styrofoam, apparently not
recognizing styrofoam is mostly air, with very little polystyrene in it.
Put a little acetone on a piece of styrofoam and be amazed as it
crumples to practically nothing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Our waste sites are filling up with aerogels as we speak!

Posted by: pep at February 23, 2020 01:28 PM (T6t7i)

128 Captain Oveur wants his gladiators?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 23, 2020 01:29 PM (Rdohv)

129 townhall.com/grab the popcorn unhinged lefties are demanding msnbc fire chris matthews

Straying off the plantation is a no-no

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 01:29 PM (ZCEU2)

130 129
townhall.com/grab the popcorn unhinged lefties are demanding msnbc fire chris matthews

Dude is 74! He looks pretty good for that age, although his liver may be a different story.

Posted by: pep at February 23, 2020 01:30 PM (T6t7i)

131 The DNC, media and IC will attack Bernie relentlessly this week.

They must stop him before super Tuesday.

They won't be able to but he is about to experience what Trump has for years.

Posted by: Ha at February 23, 2020 01:30 PM (45Em2)

132 Our waste sites are filling up with aerogels as we speak!
Posted by: pep at February 23, 2020 01:28 PM (T6t7i)

LOL. Yep.

Next up: aerogels cause global warming! Also, net neutrality! And halitosis!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2020 01:30 PM (GRbI+)

133 Styrofoam is a perfect metaphor for Wokeness, lots of emptiness with just a smidge of lies to hold it together.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 23, 2020 01:32 PM (Rdohv)

134 Buying carbon offsets is just a good way to make somebody rich. The next wave will replace the rich carney grifters of today with the government pollution taxing bureaucrats of tomorrow.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 23, 2020 01:33 PM (e1mEI)

135 I think it was called oikophobia, by Roger Scruton.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 23, 2020 01:34 PM (JFO2v)

136 Guilt and shame were critical to human evolution, and tied to religion those human emotions helped civilize the western world by helping people avoid deadly and destructive sins. Modern secular leftists who are detached from western religions that embrace civilization (e.g. Judaism and Christianity) still feel guilt and shame, but they channel their guilt and shame into tearing down civilization.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at February 23, 2020 01:34 PM (d9Cw3)

137 I think it was called oikophobia, by Roger Scruton.
Posted by: rhennigantx

A fear of Greek style yogurt

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2020 01:34 PM (vd8XM)

138 Modern secular leftists who are detached from western religions that embrace civilization (e.g. Judaism and Christianity) still feel guilt and shame, but they channel their guilt and shame into tearing down civilization.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton

I got problems, and it's all your fault

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2020 01:36 PM (vd8XM)

139 When our county got rid of the recycling scam everyone's property taxes went up 30 dollars per year except renters. I imagine theirs went up even more as landlords used the "new" fee to raise their rent even further.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2020 01:36 PM (mpXpK)

140 I love being anti-woke.
Idiots have no idea anyone could be.
It's fun.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 23, 2020 01:25 PM (9OMtu)

I have a friend with whom I do NOT discuss politics, but not too long ago she was going on about how some movie she saw was a reflection of the awfulness of living in the age of Trump. Whatever.

So I made the rather innocuous statement to the effect that much of the awfulness of Trump was exaggerated and misguided.

I got about 2 days worth of "how could you" type comments. All I said in response was, essentially, I'll do me, you do you.

That was not acceptable.

Eventually she apologized. Sort of.

Oh well.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 01:39 PM (hku12)

141 A friend of mine lives near a lake in No Wisconsin. He has to drive his recycling to the town center about 10 miles away.
He mainly has bottles from beer drinking. So he's burning gas to recycle sand

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2020 01:40 PM (vd8XM)

142
>>Her rejection of modern agricultural technologies and encouragement of primitive farming methods in poor countries leads to low yields, vulnerability to pests and diseases, under-nutrition, and diminished longevity.

=======

These are the people that would rather poor Africans and Asians starve to death than get accesse to golden rice and other such sources of sustenance because "ZOMG GMO FRANKENFOOD!"
Posted by: Insomniac

========

They're death cultists. I used to think that was hyperbole.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 23, 2020 01:41 PM (G51Gf)

143 Guilt and shame were critical to human evolution, and tied to religion those human emotions helped civilize the western world by helping people avoid deadly and destructive sins. Modern secular leftists who are detached from western religions that embrace civilization (e.g. Judaism and Christianity) still feel guilt and shame, but they channel their guilt and shame into tearing down civilization.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at February 23, 2020 01:34 PM (d9Cw3)

Guilt, yes.

Shame, no. It's destructive, always. And frankly, it's probably the main reason why people reject religion as they do.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 01:42 PM (hku12)

144
townhall.com/grab the popcorn unhinged lefties are demanding msnbc fire chris matthews

=======

Yeah, for comparing Bernie's win in Nevada to the Nazi invasion of France.

They were okay with AOC calling CBP detention centers "concentration camps," though.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 23, 2020 01:42 PM (G51Gf)

145 I got about 2 days worth of "how could you" type comments. All I said in response was, essentially, I'll do me, you do you.�
...

The rules are they get to have opinions and you don't.

That's why I don't hang around leftwing people.

They can GF'd.

Posted by: Ha at February 23, 2020 01:42 PM (45Em2)

146 Elderly neighbors across the street put out recycling and the big city trash can every week. I have a little city trash can and it is almost never full unless I'm mucking out. I have 1/2 a garage full of stuff I haven't unpacked from moving. Thankfully, the city wide "Spring Cleanup" starts the first week in April. Need to get it cleaned out before then. I actually found my sewing machine today. So, it's a start.

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2020 01:45 PM (MTxDQ)

147 I actually found my sewing machine today. So, it's a start.
Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2020 01:45 PM (MTxDQ)

You should've asked; I'd have lent you mine. The first and last thing I made with it was... a sewing machine dustcover. Which has been on it ever since.

I can't remember why I got it, except that I didn't have one, and it seemed like a useful thing to have around.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 01:47 PM (t+qrx)

148 Lefties in general hate human flourishing and would be glad to see humanity reduced. It is evil incarnate.

Posted by: USNtakim at February 23, 2020 01:50 PM (0OmEj)

149 A few nights ago Tucker Carlson had a guest on who wrote a book about society. I wasn't really paying attention so I don't know who the guest was or what book he wrote, but the book was about china and how they are shaping our behavior. What I did hear, however, was that China realized that America feels badly about our slavery history, so they decided to exploit our guilt and cause racial friction. It makes sense, because BO ( before Obama),I don't remember racial tensions being so pronounced.

Posted by: Chillin the most at February 23, 2020 01:52 PM (lonOK)

150 They don't want fewer of "us", they want fewer of "you".

Posted by: klaftern at February 23, 2020 01:53 PM (RuIsu)

151 Pretty soon the planet will look like f'n Endor.
Posted by: freaked at February 23, 2020 12:59 PM

You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: Amalgated Ewoks, AoSHQ Local #9 at February 23, 2020 01:54 PM (+Obm8)

152 "The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it."

This is pretty much the issue. Those who remember actual tough times, those who built America, those who invented the technology to improve lives of everyone across the world that everyone takes for granted... are all dying or have died.

Those who are still around who remember or at least learned to appreciate and have proper perspective... are simply dismissed by ignorant millennials with "ok, boomer".

A question that would be interesting to hear millennials answer: "Can you name an invention you use that came from a socialist/communist country?"

The Left controls the schools from K-12 and to the universities and makes sure history is not taught. So instead of people realizing that the last 100 years have seen some of the most amazing technological advancements in human history to improve the lives of every person on the planet, kids and teens and young adults today are brainwashed to believe that humans are evil and we're all somehow worse off than we were in the past.

And it doesn't even matter if the majority of people are waking up to the fact that "global warming" and "climate change" are lies. All it takes for any movement to succeed is a few radical people in the right positions of power and influence.

It's depressing.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at February 23, 2020 01:54 PM (gWGi6)

153
SCTV "Lipschitz & Lipschitz"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpYZV738as

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 01:55 PM (TiELo)

154 I can't remember why I got it, except that I didn't have one, and it seemed like a useful thing to have around.
Posted by: hogmartin

lol. I got mine for my 21st bday in 19blah blah. Made baby clothes, drapes, clothes, reupolstered furniture, and on and on. It's from Monkey Wards.

Need to oil and it and finish a project I promised someone.

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2020 01:56 PM (MTxDQ)

155 remove an and.

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2020 01:59 PM (MTxDQ)

156 57 Recycling is a net money loser. Most of what we dutifully "recycle" winds up in the landfills anyways.

Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2020 12:52 PM

Penn and Teller: Recycling is bullshit

https://bit.ly/2v9nyMw

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at February 23, 2020 01:59 PM (gWGi6)

157 I always refer to the Law of Conservation. It's states simply, that energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

This law applies not only to matter and the physical world, but helps explain why "shortcuts" in life have a cost, and why solutions to certain problems invariably lead to other problems. It's a good lesson to remember in business. I refer to it often. There is no "get rich quick". No legal scheme to squeeze energy out of something where energy has not first been put in.

If you have 7 billion people creating and consuming, it's going to leave a "footprint". This is unavoidable. And whatever you come up with to deal with that footprint - multiplied by 7 billion, it's going to leave a footprint of its own. To deny this is to deny basic reality.

The marxist envirolunatics understand this law, which is why their arguments are all lies and obfuscation. They plan to "get rich quick" but off of breakin your damn back.

In the end they are merely denying the right of human existence. If they throw us all in gulags and serve only gruel, it will have a very minimum "footprint". If only the elite 10,000 or so people in the world live like kings, it will have zero impact as long as the other 7 billion are locked in a cage. That's their logical conclusion. There can be no other.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 01:59 PM (Wge+f)

158 Ever notice that every five years or so they appear to come up with another concept or term who's actual only meaning is "Marxism"?

Progressivism: Marxism
Liberalism: Marxism
Political Correctness: Marxism
Environmentalism: Marxism
Anti-Fascism: Marxism
Intersectionality: Marxism
Wokeness: Marxism

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 02:02 PM (Wge+f)

159 Here in Northern VA, two counties and the city of Alexandria have stopped curbside glass recycling in favor of people taking the glass themselves to designated bins, otherwise they are told to just put the glass in the trash. The recycled glass is being used for road projects. More glass is being recycled now than when curbside was available, and one big reason is that cross-contamination from things like plastic grocery bags, pizza boxes, etc is largely gone.

Posted by: Vendette at February 23, 2020 02:04 PM (nRNOc)

160 Nap time over

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 02:04 PM (ZCEU2)

161
And the solution to every problem, real or imaginary is _____.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at February 23, 2020 02:04 PM (TiELo)

162 They're death cultists. I used to think that was hyperbole.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 23, 2020 01:41 PM (G51Gf)

I was going to say they are ignorant, but I think that misses the mark. I think the big problem overall is insulation- mental, financial and emotional insulation from bad choices.

BurtTC about how his friend was injured by the very mild rejection of her cherished views. This is a common thing on the right: we have long defaulted to 'You do whatever the hell you want, leave me to do what I want.' So we insulate them from having to hear contrary views (not our intent, but that is how it works out) to the point that they do not ever have to examine them in any substantive way and when they do encounter any sort of contrary view, they have no way to respond except emotionally- they are hurt.

The principle extends to the Laboratories of Democracy, the States. The idea being, two states. Each starting out even. State A pursues one set of policies. State B pursues another set. State A fails miserably. State B prospers. The idea is that the people in State B will be happy and order more of the same. State A's people are supposed to say 'Hey, this is not working, let's try something else.' This does not happen. Instead, people from state A move to state B, state A continues to fail miserably and people from State A now in state B start voting for the same policies that wrecked state A. They are insulated from the bad choices they made in state A and since they never get a confrontation of how and why state A fails, they continue to make the same bad choices.

Business. A company that forgets that their primary goal is to provide a good enough product that people want to buy. They instead pursue stupid crap and let the company become overburdened with bureaucrats. Company fails. They ask for a bailout (instead of going out of business to serve as a warning to other business or, get this, changing their practices.) We give them a bail out. We insulate them from their bad choices.

The Live and Let live ethic has been a tremendous failure because we have not left people to suffer the results of their bad choices.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:06 PM (XyVor)

163 And the solution to every problem, real or imaginary is _____.

Whatever it is, I'm the deliveryman.

Posted by: Steiner at February 23, 2020 02:06 PM (JJDuU)

164 The Left controls the schools from K-12 and to the
universities and makes sure history is not taught. So instead of people
realizing that the last 100 years have seen some of the most amazing
technological advancements in human history to improve the lives of
every person on the planet, kids and teens and young adults today are
brainwashed to believe that humans are evil and we're all somehow worse
off than we were in the past.

And it doesn't even matter if the majority of people are waking up
to the fact that "global warming" and "climate change" are lies. All it
takes for any movement to succeed is a few radical people in the right
positions of power and influence.

It's depressing.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at February 23, 2020 01:54 PM (gWGi6)

There is an old book that explains in great detail our imperfect world, our imperfect selves, our horror-filled existence, and how to look and deal with it in a way that actually *works*. Take that away from people and it's a cakewalk to convince everyone there is evil all around and yours is the only possible solution.

The removal of God and Christianity from public discourse and our (true) collective mind paved the way for this in gold.

The good news is that same book explains what *they* are up to as well. So as depressing as it is, I get it and I handle it that bit better. This is what humans inevitably do because we live in a fallen world.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 02:08 PM (Wge+f)

165 Welcome to the WOKE generation:

I be graduated from colleredge with a degree in Ancient Vulcan Poetry and cans not finds a job except at K-Mart. I be owe $120,000 in college debt and cans not find a better job because the world is racist against people of alternative lifestyles taught in High Schrool. I be graduated from Stamford and it is Trump's fault I be cannot finds a job and gets married. How be that toaster thing work again ???

Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at February 23, 2020 02:09 PM (qM84C)

166 townhall.com/grab the popcorn unhinged lefties are demanding msnbc fire chris matthews

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Gulag the sumbitch!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:10 PM (+y/Ru)

167 The Live and Let live ethic has been a tremendous
failure because we have not left people to suffer the results of their
bad choices.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:06 PM (XyVor)

I think the greatest failure of live and let live is that it opens the door wide for those who do not want to live, but not also let.

I remember for 60 or so years our side would say "I don't agree with your opinion but I would DIE for your right to express it". And we genuinely believed it, too. And while we thought the other side was saying the exact same thing back to us, what they were really saying was "Cheers. Thanks, mate."

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 02:11 PM (Wge+f)

168 166 townhall.com/grab the popcorn unhinged lefties are demanding msnbc fire chris matthews

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Gulag the sumbitch!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:10 PM (+y/Ru)

The Revolution eats it's own.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:11 PM (XyVor)

169 Ugh. "who *want* to live, but not also let"

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 02:11 PM (Wge+f)

170 Chris Wallace has lost it.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at February 23, 2020 02:11 PM (PUmDY)

171 Yell at me all you want, but the change in western civilization - meaning its decline from Independence, freedom, and liberty toward central control, strict adherence to irrational rules, and a duty to state before person - is directly connected to the rise of the female, and the men who fear them, in public life. Those qualities that make a family the solid and successful foundation of civilization are largely the province of the female/motherhood, but those same qualities are impossibly imported into public policy today; the results are predictable and destructive because a small family is homogeneous, small, controllable within small age ranges, and insulated from outside controlling influences.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 23, 2020 02:11 PM (AsjQP)

172 "There's not a Henry Ford among them.

There's not a George Washington among them.

Posted by: Soothsayer"

Yeah but plenty of Pavlik Morozovs. Thousands, maybe millions. So there is that.

Posted by: Ripley at February 23, 2020 02:12 PM (MxEKc)

173 I've read that turnout for the NV caucus was maybe 2/3 the turnout of 2016. Once we see the raw vote totals it may be that 50k voters pulled the lever for Bernie. 8k for Warren. In a State of 3 million, maybe 1.2 million are registered Democrats and I think that's generous. So Bernie gets a huge victory on the backs of less than 5 per cent of Democrat voters in the State? Is this enthusiasm?

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at February 23, 2020 02:13 PM (uM6CE)

174 My favorite, recent woke argument that I had was on the subject of power generation and the generation of CO2. After listening to her argument and how poorly grounded it was in facts and critical thinking, I pointed out that she should love living up here because there are 5 hydro plants within 20 miles of this place. Our local power grid is very nearly 100% free of carbon emissions. Of course, she does not love living here. Hydro plants are Bad because, um, they totally change the state of nature that existed here prior to the white Debils showing up.

Wokeness does not allow room for problems to be solved. In any way, shape or form. Wokeness demands a state of permanent grievance.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 23, 2020 02:13 PM (sjdRT)

175 Guilt and shame were critical to human evolution, and tied to religion those human emotions helped civilize the western world by helping people avoid deadly and destructive sins. Modern secular leftists who are detached from western religions that embrace civilization (e.g. Judaism and Christianity) still feel guilt and shame, but they channel their guilt and shame into tearing down civilization.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at February 23, 2020 01:34 PM (d9Cw3)

Guilt, yes.

Shame, no. It's destructive, always. And frankly, it's probably the main reason why people reject religion as they do.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 23, 2020 01:42 PM (hku12)

Western culture is by and large a Guilt Culture.

Most failed societies are Shame Cultures such as inIslamic and/or Communist countries.

Guilt provides motivation for the self.

Shame is administered by forces outside the individual to force the individual to conform.

Look at the whole Woke nonsense and their Cancelling of Individuals.

This is why it's all Will to Power with the Left.

Their morality, such as it is, is might makes right.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 23, 2020 02:13 PM (9wmyx)

176 So, it seems like a decent step would be to leverage the student debt problem to defund the Marxist finishing schools by forcing the schools to hold the debt.

However, it's the diversity Commissars in corporate HR departments that scare me. I'm not sure how we lance that boil.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at February 23, 2020 02:13 PM (Wm5SB)

177 Just what the world has been begging for, a daily podcast and multipart documentary about Watergate.

They literally have one play in their playbook.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 23, 2020 02:16 PM (NdsWb)

178
Wokeness does not allow room for problems to be solved. In any way, shape or form. Wokeness demands a state of permanent grievance.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 23, 2020 02:13 PM (sjdRT)

This is a good example. The do not want hydro because of reasons. They do not want nuclear because of the same reasons. They love solar, they love wind- For some reason, laying aside that solar does not work at night and wind becomes salad shooters for birds.

They are ignorant because they never have to sit down in the dark and wonder why the lights are not on because of coal, hydro and nuclear plants keep the lights on.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:17 PM (XyVor)

179 No idea how ( and suspect they don't either) how the Bernie and Fauxahonas idea of free higher education works other than turn every university faculty into a goverment worker and costs are paid by taxes.

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 02:18 PM (ZCEU2)

180 Guilt provides motivation for the self.

Shame is administered by forces outside the individual to force the individual to conform.

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I've heard it argued that it was because Japan was a shame that their atrocities were allowed to happen. There was no shame in torturing and killing Chinese so . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:19 PM (+y/Ru)

181 My unPC take on "wokeness" as a religion:

It doesn't emulate Christianity but rather Islam. Christians sin and their guilt is only washed away in the blood of Christ. If they fake repentance for the world to see, it is hypocrisy. Their internal conversion matters. In fact, Jesus told his disciples to NOT to publicize their good deeds, praying, fasting, etc. (Matthew 6) And they must love their enemies, which is the hardest thing to do IMO.

Islam is about outward appearances, just like the "wokeness." The Five Pillars are a public declaration of faith, praying in the proscribed manner, giving about 2.5 % to one's own community, fasting sunrise to sunset during Ramadan (but pigging out at night is fine), and making the very public Hajj once. Love your enemies? Hell, no! Like the drug-taking, fornicating jihadis of 9/11, you can indulge yourselves as long as you destroy the designated enemies of your "woke" crowd.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 23, 2020 02:20 PM (/+bwe)

182 However, it's the diversity Commissars in corporate HR departments that scare me. I'm not sure how we lance that boil.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at February 23, 2020 02:13 PM (Wm5SB)

A company I worked at for 7 years. The guy who started it had built the idea up from nothing. Made a very nice business. This worked for 20 years. During a management meeting the subject of firing bad employees and keeping good ones came up. Someone made the comment that they would love to get rid of the dead weight, but HR was throwing road blocks. The owner got frustrated and yelled 'HR does NOT own this company.'

If you have to say it, they do. They always do. And they do not give a shit about whether the business prospers financially.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:21 PM (XyVor)

183 Nood. Franklin.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:22 PM (XyVor)

184 I'm stealing "salad shooter for birds."

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2020 02:24 PM (MTxDQ)

185 I remember for 60 or so years our side would say "I don't agree with your opinion but I would DIE for your right to express it". And we genuinely believed it, too. And while we thought the other side was saying the exact same thing back to us, what they were really saying was "Cheers. Thanks, mate."

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 02:11 PM
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So true. So depressing.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 23, 2020 02:28 PM (Dhht7)

186 So Bernie gets a huge victory on the backs of less than 5 per cent of Democrat voters in the State? Is this enthusiasm?

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at February 23, 2020 02:13 PM (uM6CE)

Worked for me in South Bend!

Posted by: Mayor Pete at February 23, 2020 02:33 PM (nRNOc)

187 Also the core tenet of Christianity is "Because God loves you". The core tenet of Islam is "Because Allah said so or face the consequences, worm."

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 02:34 PM (Wge+f)

188 "8 A "rejection of the primacy of man" -- right, no more dominion over animals, 'cause like, we're just like them, man! The leftists are trying very hard to make this so through their so-called education."

I like to point this out to them occasionally, that if we are simply animals and morality doesn't really exist, then we have no reason not to murder and crush anyone who gets in our way, offends us or that we think are dumb. If we are simply animals, then you cannot provide a reason not to kill rivals without religious based morality and that is what the origin of our laws are.

Posted by: Silentbrick at February 23, 2020 02:46 PM (y/tEx)

189 Another point missing is that this new environmentalism sees humans as a pest whose life is not worth protecting. In fact most of them think we should be eradicated for the good of Mother Earth.

Posted by: Redinabluestate at February 23, 2020 03:07 PM (60MN6)

190 The Claremont review of Caldwell's book brought to mind an article by the late Lawrence Auster which deserves a quick read:

"How the 1964 Civil Rights Act made racial group entitlements inevitable"

which can be found at
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/ archives/003436.html

[remove the two spaces before the word "archives"]

Posted by: Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah at February 24, 2020 01:23 AM (mHW4W)

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