US and Taliban Reach Truce; May Lead to Peace Agreement and Withdrawal of All US Forces

What this means is that the Taliban will be allowed some -- maybe most -- power in Afghanistan going forward.

We lost the war -- or at least we lost it based on the expansive and absurd definitions of success that our genius Neocon Non-Warriors set for it.

There's no dodging that conclusion.

On the other hand: Who cares? The correct response to Afghanistan misbehavior is punishing airstrikes. Forever if necessary.

Do we want or need US boys patrolling this shithole forever? This shithole where rape of young boys is not only tolerated, but openly celebrated?

I don't.

A senior U.S. official said Friday the United States and the Taliban have reached a truce agreement that will take effect "very soon" and could lead to withdrawals of American troops from Afghanistan.

The official said the agreement for a seven-day “reduction in violence” to be followed by the start of all-Afghan peace talks within 10 days is “very specific” and covers the entire country, including Afghan government forces. There were indications a formal announcement could come as early as the weekend.

The official, who was not authorized to publicly discuss the matter and spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the Taliban had committed to a halt in roadside and suicide bombings as well as rocket attacks. The official said the U.S. would monitor the truce and determine if there were any violations.


Should the Taliban comply, the "reduction in violence" agreement would be followed by the signing of an agreement that would initiate peace negotiations that include all Afghan sides.


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1 Hrmph.

Posted by: Brother Cavil Tim at February 14, 2020 01:05 PM (OUMaO)

2 I am going to stop my prognostications about politics. I'm batting about .220.

I've been saying from the beginning McCabe would be the fall guy. Fail.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:05 PM (2DOZq)

3 Whoops . Wrong thread.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:05 PM (2DOZq)

4 I have followed the forms of nood li! The Horde has been notified!

Posted by: Brother Cavil Tim at February 14, 2020 01:06 PM (OUMaO)

5 Don't forget to kill them all on the way out.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 14, 2020 01:06 PM (1g7ch)

6 Been there too long already.

Posted by: BignJames at February 14, 2020 01:07 PM (X/Pw5)

7 McCabe just walked. But impeach Trump for tweets.

Posted by: Kazi at February 14, 2020 01:07 PM (0x00j)

8 It breaks my heart when I think of the lives lost. Lives changed forever. Lost limbs, TBI.

I could cry.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:07 PM (ptqGC)

9 Obama's policies have finally had enough time to succeed.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 14, 2020 01:07 PM (RB8C+)

10 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (q80AH)

11 Compilation of three earlier posts:

Here's what I would do were I Trump:

I would announce that I will not veto the restrictions placed on me to use force, and if Congress does not declare war everywhere troops are in combat I will withdraw them immediately.
Force Congress to formally go on the record and approve every military adventure in progress, no matter how small! As CinC, I would tell the Pentagon to start drafting plans for immediate withdrawal ASAP from everywhere!
And when Congress won't go on record and approve every military action, I would tell every commander to thermite every military piece in place that can't be hand carried and have everyone on troop transports by 5:00 this evening.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (nQpdK)

12 Bolton is seething right now.

Can't wait for the forever war Democrats to join in as well!

Posted by: Max Power at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (q177U)

13 And screw W and Barry to hell for their insane ROE.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (ptqGC)

14 Its coming on Spring Abdul.
Need to placate the Americans so we can get those poppies harvested.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (axyOa)

15 We lost and maimed far too many good, brave, wonderful people in this doomed enterprise.

I'm also finding it very hard to give a flying fuck about Afghanistan when our own "Justice" system here in the USA is so fundamentally broken.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (77WPm)

16 Worst Warmonger in Chief ever.

Posted by: Flyguy at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (3sOO0)

17 No more nation building. No more police state style military action.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (KUaJL)

18 It means all ngo, private citizens (those not ordered to be in Afghanistan) should leave. If they don't leave they should expect to be slaughtered.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (wXw18)

19 I have complete faith that the career bureaucrats in the State Dept. and DOD will fuck this up or purposely sabotage this. In other words, I have no faith in our government even with a President Trump..

Posted by: lowandslow at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (4thlk)

20 I guess I have a different definition of losing.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:09 PM (2DOZq)

21 This shithole where rape of young boys is not only tolerated, but openly celebrated?

....


Is this about us?

Posted by: Hollywood at February 14, 2020 01:09 PM (M20vx)

22 Now watch the Taliban win the Nobel Peace Prize

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 14, 2020 01:10 PM (Q8Fq+)

23 But David "Thunderheart" French had his uniform pressed and his finest paperweights at the ready to get back out there and fight for """"freedom""""".

Posted by: El Kabong at February 14, 2020 01:10 PM (datdl)

24 We should have just sent a strongly worded letter to the UN on
9/12/01.

Do I need to duck and run?

Posted by: George at February 14, 2020 01:10 PM (vrAOu)

25 So grateful to God that my son Jake came back whole & unharmed from his combat tour in that awful place. My heart goes out to the families whose sons & daughters didn't.

Posted by: troyriser at February 14, 2020 01:10 PM (E2EAq)

26 Sounds like the Generals were getting tired of the troops asking them "What does victory look like?"
Now they have something to point to.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 14, 2020 01:10 PM (axyOa)

27 Our troops weren't allowed to win, except "hearts and minds."

Now I need to take a break.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:10 PM (ptqGC)

28 Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (nQpdK)

i like it. make them own it. they want to act like they're in charge, make them own it.

Posted by: SturmToddler at February 14, 2020 01:10 PM (8D42x)

29 I guess I have a different definition of losing.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth


US and Taliban Reach Truce; May Lead to Peace Agreement and Withdrawal of All US Forces

What this means is that the Taliban will be allowed some -- maybe most -- power in Afghanistan going forward.


That's pretty much a hard fail in anybody's book.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:10 PM (nQpdK)

30 Our troops weren't allowed to win, except "hearts and minds."

---

As in Iraq, didn't even do that.

Such a waste.

GWOT indeed.

Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2020 01:11 PM (RU4sa)

31 My War Theory on Afghanistan

Taliban (and all its iterations) are too ruthless to lose power to state "moderates".

It's too expensive to wage ground war or position posts around Afghanistan to contain.

But it's not too expensive to nuke as necessary.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 14, 2020 01:11 PM (6eEQ+)

32 The DOJ and McCabe have reached a truce agreement also.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 14, 2020 01:11 PM (eEH94)

33 I'm also finding it very hard to give a flying fuck about Afghanistan when our own "Justice" system here in the USA is so fundamentally broken.

--

Yeah, the True Republicans and Democrats succeeded in making me have a fairly stay-at-home attitude about military action. Kill thousands of our middle class kids and waste trillions of our tax dollars for jack sh*t before surrendering the countries to the neighbors, while they send their kids to launder money in Ukraine.

*spit*

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 14, 2020 01:12 PM (RB8C+)

34 I think all of us hate the idea of bugging out - but on the other hand, 2 more Americans died there just last week. What the hell did they die for? I can't think of a single good answer to that question.

and they were shot by one of our supposed allies there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2020 01:12 PM (Kpl3J)

35 Tentatively optimistic.

Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:12 PM (YVvSQ)

36 We should have nuked them after 9/11. No chest-thumping hyperbole. A mass casualty attack was launched from Afghanistan against us, we should have responded in kind.

Posted by: josephistan at February 14, 2020 01:12 PM (7HtZB)

37 I thank G-d every single day my kid made it back in one piece. A permanent back injury, but he's okay.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:13 PM (ptqGC)

38 If Iraq and Afghanistan taught me anything, it's that we shouldn't expect a victory condition any more complicated than "Person X is dead" or "facility Y has been destroyed."

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:13 PM (KUaJL)

39 There is no civilizing Afghanistan, only killing them.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 14, 2020 01:13 PM (JRaU+)

40 I'm thinking Lindsey Graham will not be happy about this.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 14, 2020 01:13 PM (wiXsO)

41 One thing Iraq and Afghanistan did is give the VFW potential new members to send in dues money so the national organization can push progressivism.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 14, 2020 01:13 PM (eEH94)

42 Well, good luck with it. We'll see if it works.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Tickets Available for Bulwark - The Cuck Whisperer at The Outrage Outlet! at February 14, 2020 01:14 PM (hLRSq)

43 Again, the Taliban is a creation of Pakistan and al queso is a creation of a wing of Saud.

This is not deniable. This is a fucking fact that our supposed Betters never addressed.

We should have fucked up Pak and whatever elements of Saud that were responsible.

But no, we had to get 4000 our our best killed in sandboxes and blow 2 trillion for effect.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:14 PM (ILS6+)

44 Fuck the VFW.

I stopped being a member long ago.

Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2020 01:14 PM (RU4sa)

45 A withdrawal from Afghanistan that doesn't look (immediately) like a retreat, by this October, would probably go a long way to seal Trump's re-election.

Not saying that's why it would/should happen, but I will say I don't really care how or why it happens at this point so long as it happens.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at February 14, 2020 01:14 PM (hdzef)

46 No Afghan refugees, please. They are neck and neck with the Somalis as the worst people on earth.

Posted by: Regular joe at February 14, 2020 01:14 PM (6/uwW)

47 The real question on everyone's mind is what does McCain think about it?

Posted by: Flyguy at February 14, 2020 01:14 PM (3sOO0)

48 and they were shot by one of our supposed allies there.
Posted by: Tom Servo



1st rule of war when you aren't in your own country:

If you're not an American, you're not our ally.

Sorry.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:15 PM (nQpdK)

49 Great news! Trump has been working to this goal for about two years, maybe longer. It doesn't get covered much.

Afghanistan should probably be a global pariah. Don't allow any of them to enter any other country until they can learn how to act like civilized beings.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 14, 2020 01:15 PM (j3npP)

50 One thing Iraq and Afghanistan did is give the VFW potential new members to send in dues money so the national organization can push progressivism.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 14, 2020 01:13 PM (eEH94)

The American Legion is pretty much across the board worse, from what I can see.

They fought the Nazis and the VC so they could protest for socialism here in the USA. FTS.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:15 PM (77WPm)

51 Sounds a lot like "peace with dignity" BS from LBJ. Trust the lying Muzzies in the Taliban? Not in a million years. And I blame the ROE on those asshole Democrats in congress. The same ones that cut off all aid to South Vietnam after we had already one everything.

Posted by: Vic at February 14, 2020 01:15 PM (mpXpK)

52 Meanwhile Taliban USA, the Democrats, is busy in America.

A frizzy haired wild eyed man attacked a 15 yr old boy in a Trump tent in New Hampshire.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2020 01:16 PM (C1i7d)

53 Afghanistan 2020 == Vietnam 1974

We'll see if 2021 looks like 1975.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:16 PM (77WPm)

54 when we didn't nuke that pathetic shithole of a country on day one, that tells you all you need to know. w and his band of neocon rip off artists went with the soviet plan. twenty years of masturbation on the backs of brave men and women who sacrificed all for a fucking scam. i hate those war mongering fucks. enough with that shit. go in, destroy shit until they quit fighting and fucking around. rinse and repeat. or stay the fuck home.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 14, 2020 01:16 PM (KP5rU)

55 >>>This shithole where rape of young boys is not only tolerated, but openly celebrated?


On/After December 2001 I was waiting in a Doctor's office flipping through one of the usual year old magazines (maybe it was Time?) and an article about Afghanistan the author noted critically that in a village where he was visiting two Talib commanders started a major fire fire in the market killing a bunch of locals (they were fighting over who gets to rape a boy that caught their eye) AND the locals thought the villagers down the road were a bunch perverts!

Never saw an article so critical of muslims in a MSM source after 9-11... and thought so at the time because which is why I remember the article. The MSM was already showing signs of siding with the depraved Taliban.

Good news is today, the MSM will be against the Taliban... but really they are just against Trump.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 14, 2020 01:17 PM (1g7ch)

56 Yup. kick the dust from the soles of our boots and leave with the promise we shall return with air attacks if needed. Sad we wasted so many lives for so long. Way past time to GTFO. WAY PAST DUE.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at February 14, 2020 01:17 PM (0OmEj)

57 Are there any Christians and Jews in Afghanistan?

Evacuate them and go home.

The issue there is islam.

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:17 PM (HALdu)

58 These vet orgs can't even ensure that those that join aren't stolen valor dipshits.

Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2020 01:17 PM (RU4sa)

59 I would very much prefer we changed the ROE, stomped the enemy into the dirt, then walked away without any treaties or lying promises from radical Muslims. Walk away a victor, not based on state department nonsense.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:17 PM (KZzsI)

60 If Iraq and Afghanistan taught me anything, it's that we shouldn't expect a victory condition any more complicated than "Person X is dead" or "facility Y has been destroyed."

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:13 PM (KUaJL)

until relatively recently, that has always been the definition.

we need to go back to that.

our military is the best in the world at beating people. it's not designed to occupy with severe roe restrictions.

I support this as long as the Taliban understand that IF ANYTHING ANYWHERE happens to one American and it traces back to them, we'll be back and they'll be even further in the stone age when we get done.

and we're NOT looking to occupy or win hearts and minds if we come back...

Posted by: SturmToddler at February 14, 2020 01:17 PM (8D42x)

61 Oh yeah if the Democrats in the House do cut off funding to the US supported government in Kabul, then yes it will be a repeat of 1975 if the Taliban does launch an offensive.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2020 01:18 PM (C1i7d)

62 On the other hand: Who cares?

_________


The #NeverTrump Cucksheds and those soldiers killed and maimed (and their families), but mostly ...

Posted by: ShainS, vote Bernie 2020 -- Make Gulags Great Again! at February 14, 2020 01:18 PM (etctz)

63
We definitely needed to go into that shit-hole in 2001. We would cease to be a superpower if we hadn't.

Where Dubya fucked up is that he tried to do it all on the cheap, not to mention the Stephen King-length ROE. When we didn't send our own troops into Tora Bora to root out every Talib and AQ cocksucker, that's when I began to suspect that we'd lost the whole shebang.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 14, 2020 01:18 PM (kw0bd)

64 I would very much prefer we changed the ROE, stomped the enemy into the dirt, then walked away without any treaties or lying promises from radical Muslims. Walk away a victor, not based on state department nonsense.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February




Guessing that if the British and Soviets did not find a way it is not going to work for the U.S.

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:18 PM (HALdu)

65 I blame W and the rest of our "betters". Nation building in nations that have no desire to improve are a waste of treasure, and most importantly US lives. Going forward. Our strategy should be simple. Fck with us or harbor those that do and we will level your shit. We will bomb your county to oblivion, then we will come back and hit it again for good measure. We will not send aid, food, not a Band-Aid or a bottle of water, nothing! When whomever is left alive is wondering why they are dying and starving you can explain it to hem then they storm your capitol So if you're feeling like it's a good idea, try us.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (lBeMA)

66 The Taliban, playing the long game.

Anyone with any personal experience in that part of the world knows that the years of propaganda that gushed from the Pentagon about "training our partners to take over" were complete nonsense. Time was you couldn't pick up a copy of the Washington Post without some DoD mouthpiece babbling about "our security partners in Iraq."

Those countries--and many like them--are examples of places where chaos is the natural state of being. Any attempt to make them otherwise is foolish.

Kabul will get the governance it deserves. Good and hard.

Posted by: Zod at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (u4/yY)

67 People get what they want.

Astan had a western style university system, hospitals, protection of women etc. in the cities.

They let their remote 9th century barbarians rape everything they had, courtesy of the assistance of the Pakis and Iranians.

They could have stopped it. Chose not to.

They chose poorly.

So did we.

Posted by: Ped Xing at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (OU875)

68 If we can make a deal with the Taliban, we should be able to teach Mark Stein how to talk instead of yell.

Posted by: jwest at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (U6f/q)

69 our military is the best in the world at beating people. it's not designed to occupy with severe roe restrictions.

That's the main problem right there. Take the handcuffs off our people, let them do what they do best, then get them home.

Yes, a lot of congressmen and fat cats with defense contracts and Haliburton-like corporations are getting rich off this, but it has to stop.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (KZzsI)

70 It has become evident this country has a dangerous case of Epstein-Barr Syndrome.

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (AKzC2)

71 The DOJ and McCabe have reached a truce agreement also.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 14, 2020 01:11 PM (eEH94)
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So...uh, we'll get 'em next time? What the f

Posted by: jhawk90 at February 14, 2020 01:20 PM (Xvo1a)

72 Places like Afghanistan are confounding to us because they upset so many of our treasured social myths - that all peoples can be "good", that corruption is just a matter of bad leadership, that Democracy can work for anyone will make the world a better place - all of those ideals fail in a place like that.

Some places are full of vicious, uncivilized barbarians, who will always be vicious uncivilized barbarians. Nothing we can do will ever change them, because they don't want to change, and they don't want to be like us. Now if we had the cultural will (we don't) we could go in, kill all of the men between the ages of 13 and 65, sell all the women and children into slavery, and then repopulate the area with new people - but honestly, there's nothing in Afghanistan that would be worth expending that much effort.

Places like this need to be forever treated like the fictional Manhattan in "Escape from New York" - permanent prison camps which don't allow anyone in or out. That's how they want it, that's how we should keep it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2020 01:20 PM (Kpl3J)

73 And when Congress won't go on record and approve every military action, I would tell every commander to thermite every military piece in place that can't be hand carried and have everyone on troop transports by 5:00 this evening.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (nQpdK)


Or at least, for shiites and gigles, call a press conference for it and announce that the Legislature has AT BEST pulled a Chamberlain with Iran, but probably is just against the USA.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 14, 2020 01:20 PM (1g7ch)

74 We killed OBL.

Nation-building was a distraction, necessary or otherwise, while we were hunting him.

As soon as OBL was gone, we should have left.

Time to go.

If the Taliban makes us, we can come back again. We've proved that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at February 14, 2020 01:20 PM (l4C/z)

75 The official, who was not authorized to publicly discuss the matter and spoke on the condition of anonymity...

This phrase has always bothered me.

Posted by: t-bird at February 14, 2020 01:20 PM (cfSLd)

76 So now the Democrats have to come out in favor of endless war with no ultimate victory in

3...2...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 14, 2020 01:20 PM (Q8Fq+)

77 Look to Britain and its dealings with Afghanistan in the 1800s, that should be enough of a primer.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2020 01:20 PM (C1i7d)

78

Treaty allows boy rape six days a week but never on a Sunday 'cause that's a day of rest.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 14, 2020 01:21 PM (aKsyK)

79 Guessing that if the British and Soviets did not find a way it is not going to work for the U.S.

It depends on what you mean but "work."

Both of those countries wanted to control and govern Afghanistan. All we want is for radical Islam NOT to run the place. I think we can pound them into the sand hard enough that it will be difficult for them to regain power for a while, which lets us walk away with a W rather than a draw.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:21 PM (KZzsI)

80 I don't have a problem with this.

If the Taliban don't mess with us, let them rule that shithole.
The people of those countries prefer religious thugs running things anyway.

How soon until Max Boot announces he's leaving the Republican Party over us abandoning our democracy-seeking allies?

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at February 14, 2020 01:21 PM (vPKfA)

81 32 The DOJ and McCabe have reached a truce agreement also.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 14, 2020 01:11 PM (eEH94)

"no one's going to jail" still has the lead

still the undefeated champ

Since this matter is concluded , May the widdle President tweet about this , Scold Barr ?

pretty please, with a canoli on top

Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:21 PM (rpxSz)

82 And, please "pick" the poppies, w a forever kiss of herbicide, on your way out the door.

Posted by: EveR at February 14, 2020 01:21 PM (ZZDMQ)

83 22 Now watch the Taliban win the Nobel Peace Prize
Posted by: Buzzsaw90

next headline on babylon bee

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 14, 2020 01:21 PM (d7Ww2)

84 I couldn't care less. Get out. Now.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 14, 2020 01:21 PM (H8QX8)

85 The only reason we nailed these guys is because Bush didn't want to drop bombs on Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan is like the world's designated unconquerable combat testing area.

No one has 'conquered and permanently pacified' these assholes in well over 1000 years.

They like living in caves and killing each other, it's a passtime they enjoy, it's like Friday Night Football is for Texas.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (e284m)

86 That's the main problem right there. Take the handcuffs off our people, let them do what they do best, then get them home.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (KZzsI)

The American Taliban (DNC) will never allow that. We should stop pretending they ever will and act accordingly.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (77WPm)

87 The biggest disappointment of my life in terms of world events was "Shock and Awe". We could have done *anything* and no one (other than maybe traitorous libs) would have said boo. I wanted big boomy booms.

That was right around when I realized the Democrats weren't the only people fucking us up the otter.

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (AKzC2)

88
At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh well...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (zBaqJ)

89 Some people will hate Trump for this, but the choices are:

__Stay there forever and take more casualties

__Get out with some semblance of dignity

He could kick the can down the road like Obama, but what's the point?

Posted by: Caliban at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (QE8X6)

90 Afghanistan has a safe harbor for the Taliban across the border in Pakistan. Since we can't or won't at this point punish Pakistan who is now a Chinese client, we are rolling a stone up a hill so it can return to the bottom again.

We have over 2400 U.S. deaths so far and over 20000 wounded. We have spent (or actually borrowed) about $1 trillion dollars since we have been there.

Afghanistan has nothing that we need and let the Afghanis go despoil any of the Asiatic powers in a fight among the rubble which are Iran, China, Russia, Pakistan, and India. Let them spend their money there on that benighted place.

Posted by: whig at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (EUDB2)

91 66 The Taliban, playing the long game.

Anyone with any personal experience in that part of the world knows that the years of propaganda that gushed from the Pentagon about "training our partners to take over" were complete nonsense. Time was you couldn't pick up a copy of the Washington Post without some DoD mouthpiece babbling about "our security partners in Iraq."

Those countries--and many like them--are examples of places where chaos is the natural state of being. Any attempt to make them otherwise is foolish.

Kabul will get the governance it deserves. Good and hard.
Posted by: Zod at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (u4/yY)

Zod be preachin'!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (l4C/z)

92 Guessing that if the British and Soviets did not find a way it is not going to work for the U.S.

It depends on what you mean but "work."

Both of those countries wanted to control and govern Afghanistan. All we want is for radical Islam NOT to run the place. I think we can pound them into the sand hard enough that it will be difficult for them to regain power for a while, which lets us walk away with a W rather than a draw.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February



No rule of engagement we would issue is going to be anything near what the Soviets did.

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (HALdu)

93 At least the Afgans aren't cannibals...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (Q8Fq+)

94
Our strategy should be simple. Fck with us or harbor those that do and we will level your shit. We will bomb your county to oblivion, then we will come back and hit it again for good measure. We will not send aid, food, not a Band-Aid or a bottle of water, nothing! When whomever is left alive is wondering why they are dying and starving you can explain it to hem then they storm your capitol So if you're feeling like it's a good idea, try us.
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (lBeMA)







I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (kw0bd)

95 It's long past the time we were out of there. Staying there is not worth any more American lives. Ditto for Iraq.

Posted by: Anthony Marshall at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (5gb4K)

96 69 our military is the best in the world at beating people. it's not designed to occupy with severe roe restrictions.

That's the main problem right there. Take the handcuffs off our people, let them do what they do best, then get them home.

Yes, a lot of congressmen and fat cats with defense contracts and Haliburton-like corporations are getting rich off this, but it has to stop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (KZzsI)

Every Empire throughout history has found that long term occupation is an impossible and treasury breaking task. That's why the old model (Romans, etc) that Empires with the cultural will follow is always genocide followed by repopulation. But those are dirty words to our culture, so we don't allow ourselves to even think them, much less carry them out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (Kpl3J)

97 Those who want the drugs and weapons (and maybe even children) to keep flowing will say we are abandoning "Freedom itself!" if we leave.

Posted by: t-bird at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (dBiBP)

98 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh well...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (zBaqJ)

Hey, wasn't Iran like that up until around that time as well?

Weird, what a funny coincidence!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (KUaJL)

99 The correct response to Afghanistan misbehavior is punishing airstrikes. Forever if necessary.

This! After a couple dozen of these perhaps the tribal councils will put down the opium pipe.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...channeling my inner hillbilly at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (Lp+bg)

100
Soon to appear from the #nevertrumpers:

The Conservative Case for Sending You and Your Kids to Fight and Die in a Godforsaken Shit Hole While We and Our Kids Score Some Sweet, Sweet Crooked Consulting Gigs in Other Godforsaken Shit Holes (and Other, Similar Grifts)

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (pNxlR)

101 We definitely needed to go into that shit-hole in 2001. We would cease to be a superpower if we hadn't.

Only long enough to fuck shit up and kill a mess of taliban.
Should never have stayed.

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (88+cf)

102 EM PEACH!!!

REEEEEEEEE!!!

Posted by: Max Power at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (q177U)

103 70 It has become evident this country has a dangerous case of Epstein-Barr Syndrome.
Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (AKzC2)

Epstein-Barr did not kill himself

Posted by: josephistan at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (7HtZB)

104 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh well...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (zBaqJ)

Radical Islam became mainstream Islam and the rest is history and commentary

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (85Gof)

105 Yeah Afghanistan in the 1970s was pretty decent for that region. Then the Communists in the government decided to take over. And then here comes the Soviets to support their new ally.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (C1i7d)

106 The American Taliban (DNC) will never allow that.

They are neither the commander in chief nor the executive department. The only one holding this back is OUR OWN PRESIDENT.

No one has 'conquered and permanently pacified' these assholes in well over 1000 years.

Who cares about conquering them? Nobody wants Afghanistan its an empty waste of space. All we want is for super loony Islam to not run things.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (KZzsI)

107 98 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh well...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (zBaqJ)

Hey, wasn't Iran like that up until around that time as well?

Weird, what a funny coincidence!
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (KUaJL)


Yup. Islam and Communism. Is there nothing it can't grind into dust?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (zBaqJ)

108 SMH-

See a chiropractor for your back spasms.

And Happy Valentine's Day !

Posted by: JT at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (arJlL)

109 43 Again, the Taliban is a creation of Pakistan and al queso is a creation of a wing of Saud.

This is not deniable. This is a fucking fact that our supposed Betters never addressed.

We should have fucked up Pak and whatever elements of Saud that were responsible.

But no, we had to get 4000 our our best killed in sandboxes and blow 2 trillion for effect.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:14 PM (ILS6+)


Yes. Take out a few dozen top Paki's and a few dozen nasty Saudi elements. Then we sit down with them and have a civilized conversation.

It's the State Dept. they run the show.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (wXw18)

110 I'd say it's unbelievable, but it's totally believable! If you don't fight to unconditional surrender is declared, there's no sense of going in the first place. The UN is useless as a diplomatic entity to resolve conflicts, and basically we're at the "no-one-trusts-anyone" stage in world affairs.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (vGJY7)

111 There was a path to victory in AFPAK but it involved picking winners among the tribes. The old game.

We decided to do things the Pentagon's way. So we got a big human hunting preserve....which ain't nothing. Warriors need war to practice. But it's not a solution.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (l4C/z)

112 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh well...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (zBaqJ)

Disco ruined everything!

Posted by: josephistan at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (7HtZB)

113 72 Tom Servo. I cannot disagree with a single part of your statement.

Posted by: whig at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (EUDB2)

114 Look to Britain and its dealings with Afghanistan in the 1800s, that should be enough of a primer.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2020 01:20 PM (C1i7d)

For a 2.5 hour version, watch "The Man Who Would Be King", recognizing that Kafiristan is just a remote part of Afghanistan.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (77WPm)

115 Our strategy should be simple. Fck with us or harbor those that do and we will level your shit.

-

MINNFIDEL 2024

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (41rs/)

116 107 98 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh well...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (zBaqJ)

Hey, wasn't Iran like that up until around that time as well?

Weird, what a funny coincidence!
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (KUaJL)


Yup. Islam and Communism. Is there nothing it can't grind into dust?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (zBaqJ)

*Poland looks around cautiously* : "I think we made it through guys."

Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (YVvSQ)

117 Good. Fk the neocons, good and hard.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (XN+hF)

118 108 SMH-

See a chiropractor for your back spasms.

And Happy Valentine's Day !
Posted by: JT at February 14, 2020 01:24 PM (arJlL)

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Seeing a PT at the VA at the moment, as well as taking methocarbamol.

Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (RU4sa)

119 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh, damn, I used to know this one, didn't I?

Posted by: Jimmuh Cartuh at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (xSo9G)

120 > The DOJ and McCabe have reached a truce agreement also.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 14, 2020 01:11 PM (eEH94)



I'm so pissed off about this, I can barely type. Can someone horde legal mind please explain to me the difference between Roger Stone lying to congress about no underlying illegal act and heading to prison and McCabe lying to the FBI about something actually illegal and getting off without even being charged? I'm being serious here. What the actual legal fuck?

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (sjdRT)

121 It has become evident this country has a dangerous case of Epstein-Barr Syndrome.
Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:19 PM (AKzC2)

Epstein-Barr did not kill himself
Posted by: josephistan


More like Barr - Epstein syndrome.

Barr - Epstein did kill himself. Case closed.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (nQpdK)

122 104 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Same thing happened to Lebanon.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (H8QX8)

123 47 The real question on everyone's mind is what does McCain think about it?
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Now, now. Meggie Mac wants you to know she's still grieving. Daddy's funeral procession has just reached Guam.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (ptqGC)

124 TRUMP HAS NO AUTHORITY UNDER THE WESTERN UNION PRETZEL ACT TO ESTABLISH A WITHDRAWAL! HE IS DESTROYING THE RULE OF LAW!

Posted by: Max Power at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (q177U)

125 That's why the old model (Romans, etc) that Empires with the cultural will follow is always genocide followed by repopulation. But those are dirty words to our culture, so we don't allow ourselves to even think them, much less carry them out.

Sure. I mean it CAN work in the right circumstances (Japan, Germany) but it takes a particular sort of people and an overwhelming, soul-crushing, absolute defeat. We weren't allowed to even try that in Afghanistan, and there's no need to occupy anyway.

All our goal was is to make sure they didn't brew up another 9/11 and to make them pay for it. That is a pretty simple goal. We lost focus and went namby pamby on achieving the goal and here we are closing on 2 decades with nothing to show but more poppies and white crosses.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (KZzsI)

126 The best thing to do is to pick Our SOB from among the Wogs and let him do what needs to be done.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (wy4Th)

127 Posted by: whig at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (EUDB2)

1850 combat deaths. Since 2011, military training deaths exceeded combat deaths.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (2DOZq)

128 The DOJ and McCabe have reached a truce agreement also.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 14, 2020 01:11 PM (eEH94)



I'm so pissed off about this, I can barely type. Can someone horde legal mind please explain to me the difference between Roger Stone lying to congress about no underlying illegal act and heading to prison and McCabe lying to the FBI about something actually illegal and getting off without even being charged? I'm being serious here. What the actual legal fuck?
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (sjdRT)

Yes and no...this does not apply to anything Durham is working on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (85Gof)

129 McCabe is walking, but the bigger fish are going to swing.

You read it here first.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (CqE5x)

130 I have to agree with PDTS on this. We'll never win a war where the congress refuses to sanction whatever it takes to win. He should also immediately cancel all foreign aid, all support contracts and recall all agencies and personnel. As for military structures and equipment, if it can't be brought home, it gets destroyed in place.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 14, 2020 01:27 PM (i0ykY)

131
Yes. Take out a few dozen top Paki's and a few dozen nasty Saudi elements. Then we sit down with them and have a civilized conversation.

It's the State Dept. they run the show.
Posted by: Braenyard

Pakistan is essentially Afghanistan with nukes.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...channeling my inner hillbilly at February 14, 2020 01:27 PM (Lp+bg)

132 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Same thing happened to Lebanon.


Egypt, Iran, on and on. Islam is a destructive force.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:27 PM (KZzsI)

133 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh well...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton


Perhaps 4 square miles in Kabul, but the rest of the country wasn't.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (ILS6+)

134 I just heard the DOJ is not going to pursue any charges against Andy McCabe. Deep State gotta deep state! If that's the case, Roger Stone shouldn't have to view a picture of a jail. How do you justify bringing charges against similar behavior in the future?

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (vGJY7)

135 Pakistan is essentially Afghanistan with nukes.
Posted by: Sock Monkey...channeling my inner hillbilly at February 14, 2020 01:27 PM (Lp+bg)

Sigh

Posted by: India at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (85Gof)

136 McCabe is walking, but the bigger fish are going to swing.

You read it here first.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (CqE5x)

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (77WPm)

137 "Leave Afghanistan alone to stew in their own juices" worked okay before, until somebody came out of there and knocked down part of New York's skyline.

Military vengeance was entirely appropriate, but those buildings and people are still gone.

Isolationism is appealing, and morally defensible, but it means always letting Greedo shoot first.

Posted by: MW at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (hNTtn)

138 If this doesn't put you right over the edge, nothing will...

McCabe:

"As glad as I am that the DOJ... finally decided to do the right thing today... It's a disgrace that they took 2 years and put my family through this experience for two years before they finally drew the obvious conclusion."

Video: https://tinyurl.com/rfjoc76

Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (cF8AT)

139 I have to agree with PDTS on this. We'll never win a war where the congress refuses to sanction whatever it takes to win. He should also immediately cancel all foreign aid, all support contracts and recall all agencies and personnel. As for military structures and equipment, if it can't be brought home, it gets destroyed in place.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead


See comment #11.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (nQpdK)

140 I support this as long as the Taliban understand
that IF ANYTHING ANYWHERE happens to one American and it traces back to
them, we'll be back and they'll be even further in the stone age when we
get done.



and we're NOT looking to occupy or win hearts and minds if we come back...

Posted by: SturmToddler at February 14, 2020 01:17 PM (8D42x)
The problem is they are going to believe they won. they waited us out and got back control of their country. I doubt very much they will have learned any lesson. Not saying we should stay, but I suspect they'll go right back to doing what they always do - set up terrorist training camps, fund terrorism, etc.
The Bush/Powell doctrine of trying to build a new, western-like nation instead of just punishing them has been proven a complete and utter failure. going forward, we should NEVER care about what we leave behind. We should only care that we exact enough punishment that they learn a lesson, which means significant death and destruction to them and ALWAYS in a disproportionate amount to what we are responding to. No more "proportional responses", which is a dumb idea- it means fight down to the level of the people who attacked you, don't use your superior military power to make a point. NO. We need to make it so costly to harm our citizens or interests that they even stop thinking about doing it.

Posted by: pantsomime at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (ky+MF)

141 I don't wanna see pictures of people hanging off of helicopter skids as they leave the embassy.


So, no press allowed. Sorry, not sorry.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (z79tQ)

142 McCabe is walking, but the bigger fish are going to swing.

You read it here first.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (CqE5x)
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He sang?

Posted by: jhawk90 at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (Xvo1a)

143 TRUCE = QUID PRO QUO!!! TRUMP IS TRYING TO EFFECT THE NEXT ELECTION!!!

Posted by: Max Power at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (q177U)

144 Can we send Corbin Dallas to negotiate the ceasefire?

Just cause, fuck Afghanistan

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (vPKfA)

145
True (slightly altered) story:
Mosul, Iraq, circa 2010 (right when we announced we were leaving and things were starting to get sporty)
Zod (to his terp): We have a meeting with General Ba'ez this morning.

Terp: He's on jazza(sp).
Z: What?
T: He's on break.

Z: Where?
T: In Baghdad. For two weeks.
Z: How often does he do this 'jazza' vacation?
T: Every month.
Z: So, you're telling me that the chief of staff for the Ninewa Operations Command is on vacation 50% of the time?
T: Yeah. He's down there negotiating to buy a house in Lebanon.
Z: This country is fucked.
T: He knows. That's why the house in Lebanon.

Posted by: Zod at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (u4/yY)

146 I support this as long as the Taliban understand
that IF ANYTHING ANYWHERE happens to one American and it traces back to
them, we'll be back and they'll be even further in the stone age when we
get done.



and we're NOT looking to occupy or win hearts and minds if we come back...

Posted by: SturmToddler at February



How are you going to get there?

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (HALdu)

147 I think Trump would gain gigantic public support by ending the Afghan occupation, but it has to be done right. A final massive annihilation phase, then pull everyone home and as our CrotchetyOldJarhead says, destroy it if you can't bring it home. Leave them NOTHING to use against us or our friends.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (KZzsI)

148 all the Taliban has to do is not be crazy for two months or so. They will fail as do the Dems for similar reasons.

Posted by: henry at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (JMDly)

149 120, What is clear is that we do have an aristocracy and we, the people, are not in it. Thus, two standards of justice--for the favored ones, and the plebes.

This is why it is a good reason to leave Afghanistan, and various other trouble spots because we are losing our republic at home. What good does being a leading world power if we lose our republic and rights at home? That is why the Soviet Union closed up shop right there.

Posted by: whig at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (EUDB2)

150 McCabe is walking, but the bigger fish are going to swing.

You read it here first.
Posted by: JoeF


I don't want the bigger fish.

I WANT ALL THE FISH.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (nQpdK)

151 If this doesn't put you right over the edge, nothing will...

McCabe:

"As glad as I am that the DOJ... finally decided to do the right thing today... It's a disgrace that they took 2 years and put my family through this experience for two years before they finally drew the obvious conclusion."

Video: https://tinyurl.com/rfjoc76
Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (cF8AT)

Oh, the spiking of footballs is going to be absolutely epic the next couple of days. McCabe, Comey, NatSecLisa, Muzzie, Clapper, the whole lot of them.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (77WPm)

152 Barry took W's ROE and ramped it up to eleventy.

When our kid told us the Marines couldn't fire on the Taliban until they were fired on, I thought I'd have a rage stroke.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:30 PM (ptqGC)

153 Afghanistan would be a good place to test that new virus

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:30 PM (85Gof)

154 53 Afghanistan 2020 == Vietnam 1974

We'll see if 2021 looks like 1975.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:16 PM (77WPm)

They already pretty much control all of the country outside Kabul and the other cities...and they're probably inside those places as well.

It's a lost cause and always was. Time to leave.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 14, 2020 01:30 PM (j3npP)

155 McCabe is walking, but the bigger fish are going to swing.

You read it here first.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (CqE5x)


Thread Winner! Andy McCabe's mom would've been a great sockpuppet.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at February 14, 2020 01:30 PM (vGJY7)

156 I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM


It's free, but donations of bourbon are welcomed!

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 14, 2020 01:30 PM (lBeMA)

157 While we're talking about Afghanistan :

F*** Bowe Bergdahl.

Posted by: Allie at February 14, 2020 01:30 PM (UnA8+)

158 I have to agree with PDTS on this. We'll never win a war where the congress refuses to sanction whatever it takes to win. He should also immediately cancel all foreign aid, all support contracts and recall all agencies and personnel. As for military structures and equipment, if it can't be brought home, it gets destroyed in place.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead

................

Keep kidding yourself. Afghanistan is not "winnable" by any stretch of the imagination. Never was.. never will be.

Not unless you are willing to nuke every dink village in the entire fucking country.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 14, 2020 01:30 PM (so+oy)

159 At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh well...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (zBaqJ)

Hey, wasn't Iran like that up until around that time as well?

Weird, what a funny coincidence!
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (KUaJL)


Don't forget Lebanon.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 14, 2020 01:30 PM (Yp/pV)

160 The only reason that place is popular is opium.
Evey time they found some, they should have sterilized the soil.

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (88+cf)

161 Well now they can get back stone stoning women and beating people with sticks on the street at prayer time.

Posted by: torabora at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (Y274z)

162
the "reduction in violence" agreement would be followed by the signing of an agreement that would initiate peace negotiations that include all Afghan sides.

=======

no no no. Does this mean the US is going to preside over some Grand Agreement that brings all the warring factions within Afghanistan to the table and they all agree on something or we keep trying?

Why do we even need an agreement other than a truce -- the US stops firing on you and you stop firing on us, and if you violate the terms of the truce we're going to fire on you again?

Or just leave. Who needs anything on paper? Just go.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (13CQC)

163 127 Sebastian, dead is dead. Even if they died from heatstroke. There is no benefit to the U.S. for such things and much cost in blood and treasure.

Posted by: whig at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (EUDB2)

164 The problem is they are going to believe they won. they waited us out and got back control of their country. I doubt very much they will have learned any lesson. Not saying we should stay, but I suspect they'll go right back to doing what they always do - set up terrorist training camps, fund terrorism, etc.

Posted by: pantsomime at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (ky+MF)

The Taliban doesn't really do international terrorism. We went into Afghanistan because OBL was hiding there.

Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (YVvSQ)

165 I don't want the bigger fish.

I WANT ALL THE FISH.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:29 PM (nQpdK)
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Lt Col Bearclaw getting to go to War College isn't enough huh?

Posted by: jhawk90 at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (Xvo1a)

166 Keep kidding yourself. Afghanistan is not "winnable" by any stretch of the imagination. Never was.. never will be.

Not unless you are willing to nuke every dink village in the entire fucking country.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


Truly not seeing the issue.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:32 PM (nQpdK)

167
Don't forget Lebanon.
Posted by: Captain Hate

=======

Or Egypt.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2020 01:32 PM (13CQC)

168 McCabe:

"As glad as I am that the DOJ... finally decided to do the right thing today... It's a disgrace that they took 2 years and put my family through this experience for two years before they finally drew the obvious conclusion."

Video: https://tinyurl.com/rfjoc76
Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (cF8AT)


Maybe we should issue an apology to him and start a "Go Fund Me" to make up for any expenses he's had.

Posted by: jwest at February 14, 2020 01:32 PM (U6f/q)

169 I just saw the sidebar link about psycho David French, our own Sharkman appears on the TL!

Posted by: kallisto at February 14, 2020 01:32 PM (DJFLF)

170 Sure. I mean it CAN work in the right circumstances (Japan, Germany) but it takes a particular sort of people and an overwhelming, soul-crushing, absolute defeat. We weren't allowed to even try that in Afghanistan, and there's no need to occupy anyway.

With Germany and Japan, we just had to convince them to go back to the culture they'd enjoyed a couple of generations earlier. They were still civilized, even if they had taken a wrong turn.

With Afghanistan, every previous generation is as bad or worse than the current one, going back to Alexander the Great's time and before.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2020 01:32 PM (Kpl3J)

171 Nation building might have been the dumbest idea we ever had. We extrapolated from a sample size of two, both of which had highly industrialized socieities with centuries of great art, literature and philosophy. They became barbarians and we forced them, in one case in nuclear fire, to calm the fuck down and rejoin the civilized world. And we thought we could do the same to Afghanistan?? Laughable.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at February 14, 2020 01:32 PM (oZ6kz)

172 Well, I got a decent fruit salad on my uniform, so there's that...

/s

Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (RU4sa)

173 I don't believe that moslems are capable of keeping their word.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (19g6/)

174 Our strategy should be simple. Fck with us or harbor those that do and we will level your shit.

-

MINNFIDEL 2024

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM

I'm in. KAOSG Keep Ace Of Spades Great! Trump Jr. veep! just so libby heads splode!

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (lBeMA)

175 I'm so hungry I could eat a camel.

Posted by: Lt. Col. Bearclaw at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (vtcmf)

176
At one point, Afghanistan was actually a fairly westernized nation. And then came the late 70s.

Oh well...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2020 01:22 PM (zBaqJ)






As usual, it was the communists who ruined A-stan in the 70s. The whole thing started with a coup by Afghan commies in '78, which led to the Soviet invasion after different commie factions started slaughtering each other. The Sovs got butt-hurt when their favored faction got their asses kicked, and decided to jump in.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (kw0bd)

177 O/T -- rhomboid gets a shout-out on Rush's show!


Mark Steyn riffing on Mary Pete Bootygag's vacuous bromides like "This election is about the shape of our democracy." Steyn retorts "What shape should it be? Rhomboid-shaped? ..." Heh.

Posted by: ShainS, vote Bernie 2020 -- Make Gulags Great Again! at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (07jz7)

178 162
the "reduction in violence" agreement would be followed by the signing of an agreement that would initiate peace negotiations that include all Afghan sides.

=======

no no no. Does this mean the US is going to preside over some Grand Agreement that brings all the warring factions within Afghanistan to the table and they all agree on something or we keep trying?

Why do we even need an agreement other than a truce -- the US stops firing on you and you stop firing on us, and if you violate the terms of the truce we're going to fire on you again?

Or just leave. Who needs anything on paper? Just go.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (13CQC)

Well if we do things in a smart manner, the power sharing agreement put rivalrous Taliban leaders in various positions. We ought assume the pro-US faction will either be crushed or need to subordinate to a faction.

Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (YVvSQ)

179 fuck whatever astan was. they picked their trajectory. now, the whole world is infected with that virus known as islam. good job, assholes. i'll never forget colon blow stating you break it, you bought it. what dumb fuck. should have destroyed it.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (KP5rU)

180 I'm so pissed off about this, I can barely type. Can someone horde legal mind please explain to me the difference between Roger Stone lying to congress about no underlying illegal act and heading to prison and McCabe lying to the FBI about something actually illegal and getting off without even being charged? I'm being serious here. What the actual legal fuck?
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (sjdRT)

You see, sometimes when a man and woman love each other very much.......

Aw fuck it. The only good explanation is one set of rules for the unfavored and one set for the favored.

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (AKzC2)

181 Keep kidding yourself. Afghanistan is not "winnable" by any stretch of the imagination. Never was.. never will be.

Again, people have lost the plot here.

This was never about conquering Afghanistan and making it westernized.

It was only ever supposed to be to punish them for being at terrorist hotbed and training spot, and to get the radical Muslims out of power.

That's achievable. But the goals were lost and it just became another stupid occupation slog.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:34 PM (KZzsI)

182 Don't forget Lebanon.
Posted by: Captain Hate

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Or Egypt.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2020 01:32 PM (13CQC)


And stalwart NATO member Turkey.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 14, 2020 01:34 PM (Yp/pV)

183 Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (nQpdK)

Heh! Great minds think alike. I'm on lunch break so I didn't read the first 100 or so.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 14, 2020 01:34 PM (i0ykY)

184 Re Afghanistan, Kurt Schlicter speaks for a lot of Americans when he says if you aren't going to fight to win, GTF out. And also that we haven't fought an entire war to win since WWII.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 14, 2020 01:34 PM (sjdRT)

185 173 I don't believe that moslems are capable of keeping their word.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (19g6/)

Islam is a cancer upon humanity.

Posted by: Allie at February 14, 2020 01:34 PM (UnA8+)

186 good.

The RetroKid was due back there soon
for a third deployment.

Instead of flying night missions with Spec Ops,
she can use the Herk to fly our guys out of that shithole.

good.

Posted by: retropox at February 14, 2020 01:34 PM (woXpk)

187 "As glad as I am that the DOJ... finally decided to do the right thing today... It's a disgrace that they took 2 years and put my family through this experience for two years before they finally drew the obvious conclusion."

Oh FFS, shut the fuck up you fucking worm.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 14, 2020 01:34 PM (BLT3V)

188

168 McCabe:

"As glad as I am that the DOJ... finally decided to do the right thing today... It's a disgrace that they took 2 years and put my family through this experience for two years before they finally drew the obvious conclusion."

Video: https://tinyurl.com/rfjoc76
Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (cF8AT)
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Sweet baby Jesus.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:34 PM (ptqGC)

189 173 I don't believe that moslems are capable of keeping their word.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (19g6/)

What possibly could have led you to that conclusion?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (H8QX8)

190 AG Barr has installed an outside prosecutor to review Michael Flynn case.

(It's at the NYTimes behind a paywall)

Posted by: IrishEi at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (sGotD)

191 The Sovs got butt-hurt when their favored faction got their asses kicked, and decided to jump in.

As usual the anti communists have their blame as well. I approve of their goal but they took some very questionable paths to get there, like backing super radical Muslim opponents of Russia. Oopsie, now they have training, weapons, and are left the only faction standing with any power when the Soviets left.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (KZzsI)

192 167
Don't forget Lebanon.
Posted by: Captain Hate

=======

Or Egypt.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia


wasn't egypt working with the Israelis once upon a time to keep the palestinians in check?

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (d7Ww2)

193 Pulling out of Afghanistan breaks my heart slightly less than losing more American lives going forward.

I grieve for the warriors that gave part of or everything on a wasted effort that did nothing but line the pockets of weapons manufacturers and stroke the egos of neocons everywhere.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (QyoQ9)

194 The McCabe DOJ letter specifically references closing the IG referral. I do not believe that was 2 years ago as McCabe's letter posits.

Posted by: corn and beans at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (tkNkP)

195 I don't believe that moslems are capable of keeping their word.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (19g6/)

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Its another taqqiya sunrise.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (8XRCm)

196 Aw fuck it. The only good explanation is one set of rules for the unfavored and one set for the favored.
Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:33 PM (AKzC2)

Wasn't someone talking about the "Protected Class" vs. the "Unprotected Class" not too long ago?

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (77WPm)

197 There is a reason Islamic fundamentalism took hold across the Middle East in the 1970's. The writings of Sayyid Qutd after returning from the U.S. to Egypt. It was our godless Rock and Roll and partying. I'm not kidding.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (4thlk)

198 The Taliban doesn't really do international terrorism. We went into Afghanistan because OBL was hiding there.
Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (YVvSQ)

Well it is more complicated than that..the taliban hosted OBL and his cohorts and supported their training camps enabling his international terrorism...not to mentioned the intermarriage between the 2 groups

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (85Gof)

199 McCabe is walking, but the bigger fish are going to swing.

You read it here first.
Posted by: JoeF

No. Sometimes a duck is a duck, a cigar is a cigar, and an otter is an otter.

*This* is an otter.

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (AKzC2)

200 Yes, I'll need multiple grains of salt for "agreements" with the Taliban.

However, for a war monger, Trump sure seems to be doing it wrong.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (Boy/L)

201 all the Taliban has to do is not be crazy for two months or so. They will fail as do the Dems for similar reasons.

They will 'fail' because we tell them to. We need to provoke Trump into keeping us there for our sweet, sweet side-gigs.

Posted by: The Deep State at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (Wd55D)

202 190 AG Barr has installed an outside prosecutor to review Michael Flynn case.

(It's at the NYTimes behind a paywall)
Posted by: IrishEi at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (sGotD)

Maybe they can come up with a new charge, in case the others get thrown out.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (H8QX8)

203 And also that we haven't fought an entire war to win since WWII.

We haven't fought a WAR to win since WW2. Not by the constitutional definition. Congress hasn't had the pills to actually declare a war for nearly 80 years.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (KZzsI)

204 Barr preemptive strike against Trump's ire over McCabe

he knows Trump's gonna blow when he starts thinking about Flynn, Manafort and Stone swinging while scum like McCabe , Comey and Cankles walk

If Barr doesn't come across, First of next year

pink slip

Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (rpxSz)

205 I grieve for the warriors that gave part of or everything on a wasted effort that did nothing but line the pockets of weapons manufacturers and stroke the egos of neocons everywhere.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (QyoQ9)

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Yeah, it takes a while to come to terms that everything you ever believed in was a lie.

Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (RU4sa)

206
Wasn't someone talking about the "Protected Class" vs. the "Unprotected Class" not too long ago?
Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (77WPm)

Someone. Can't remember who.

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (AKzC2)

207 The only reason I agree with getting out now (actually about 4 years ago) was when it was obviously apparent that the non Taliban Afghan army were never going to be able to hold on to their country no matter how much we trained and equipped them so what's the use. It will remain a mystery to me as it is in Iraq, how can the same population have one group of men be shitty fighters and the other group be an aggressive competent adversary.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (2DOZq)

208 AG Barr has installed an outside prosecutor to review Michael Flynn case.

(It's at the NYTimes behind a paywall)
Posted by: IrishEi at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (sGotD)

Swell, it'll get resolved in 4-years IT Trump get's re-elected. Otherwise, Flynn will be in jail by next February.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (77WPm)

209 I am absolutely fine with whack-a-mole as a strategy in Afghanistan.

Posted by: no good deed at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (MmFTx)

210 198 The Taliban doesn't really do international terrorism. We went into Afghanistan because OBL was hiding there.
Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (YVvSQ)

Well it is more complicated than that..the taliban hosted OBL and his cohorts and supported their training camps enabling his international terrorism...not to mentioned the intermarriage between the 2 groups

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (85Gof)

By that standard every government in the Middle East aside from Israel is a terrorist organization.

Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (YVvSQ)

211 190 AG Barr has installed an outside prosecutor to review Michael Flynn case.

(It's at the NYTimes behind a paywall)
Posted by: IrishEi at February 14, 2020 01:35 PM (sGotD)


Let me save them some time and trouble:

"We found nothing wrong in the Flynn case. Lunch time!"

Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (cF8AT)

212 >>197
There is a reason Islamic fundamentalism took hold across the Middle
East in the 1970's. The writings of Sayyid Qutd after returning from the
U.S. to Egypt. It was our godless Rock and Roll and partying. I'm not
kidding. Posted by: lowandslow at February 14, 2020 01:36 PM (4thlk)

That, and the fact that Sunni Islam doesn't 'do' ijtihad.

Posted by: Zod at February 14, 2020 01:38 PM (ZS9TG)

213 What a fucking waste of young lives. I do blame the neo cons, a media that reveled in the dead and any and all liberals.
As rickb223 said above, Trump should just start withdrawing our troops from where ever they are in harms way and let Congress approve every single action.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 14, 2020 01:38 PM (4q/mG)

214 If Barr doesn't come across, First of next year

pink slip
Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (rpxSz)

You're assuming Trump is re-elected, of course.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:38 PM (77WPm)

215 yay moslems can go back to doing what moslems do best. killing and raping each other.

we should build a wall as we are leaving

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at February 14, 2020 01:38 PM (RKQ/v)

216 215 yay moslems can go back to doing what moslems do best. killing and raping each other.

we should build a wall as we are leaving
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at February 14, 2020 01:38 PM (RKQ/v)

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Or elect them to Congress like we do here.

Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2020 01:39 PM (RU4sa)

217 Whoops . Wrong thread.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
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This is the worsted, not the woolen.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at February 14, 2020 01:39 PM (xSo9G)

218 Not kidding about this...

If Durham comes back with this same "not enough to prosecute" shit, I'm going to do everything I can to organize a march on Washington.

Plus, I'll own the torch and pitchfork concession.

Posted by: jwest at February 14, 2020 01:39 PM (U6f/q)

219 The shithole borders Iran and Russia.
For those reasons alone prescence is invaluable.

Posted by: torabora at February 14, 2020 01:39 PM (Y274z)

220 McCabe walks away - called it yesterday. Barr is Sessions 2.0 and nobody will be held accountable for everything.

Posted by: I Have Questions at February 14, 2020 01:39 PM (ZhFYR)

221 Christopher R Taylor: "This was never about conquering Afghanistan and making it westernized."

Colon Powell would like a word. We broke it; we bought it.

I mean, we at AOSHQ may have wanted to destroy those who would destroy us and be pretty much done with it, but that was not what transpired under the Powell/Bush doctrine. They wanted to oust the Taliban and leave a reasonable, stable, Western-friendly government in place. And to do that, we'd have to wage war with hands tied and grease all sorts of palms so as not to upset "allies". Which is to say Westernize the new government.

It was a fools errand.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 14, 2020 01:39 PM (6eEQ+)

222 202 190 AG Barr has installed an outside prosecutor to review Michael Flynn case.


my money's on Patrick Fitzgerald

Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:40 PM (rpxSz)

223 207 The only reason I agree with getting out now (actually about 4 years ago) was when it was obviously apparent that the non Taliban Afghan army were never going to be able to hold on to their country no matter how much we trained and equipped them so what's the use. It will remain a mystery to me as it is in Iraq, how can the same population have one group of men be shitty fighters and the other group be an aggressive competent adversary.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (2DOZq)

So let's say you've got a local non-soy elite. They all go in one basket. Anyone who's ambitious and capable follows them. In the other basket is the group of people siding with the foreigners, and who would normally be largely irrelevant in the country.

Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:40 PM (YVvSQ)

224 128 The DOJ and McCabe have reached a truce agreement also.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 14, 2020 01:11 PM (eEH94)



I'm so pissed off about this, I can barely type. Can someone horde legal mind please explain to me the difference between Roger Stone lying to congress about no underlying illegal act and heading to prison and McCabe lying to the FBI about something actually illegal and getting off without even being charged? I'm being serious here. What the actual legal fuck?
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (sjdRT)

Yes and no...this does not apply to anything Durham is working on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (85Gof)



The pain is rats. Trump hired a rat killer and there are no dead rats.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 14, 2020 01:40 PM (wXw18)

225 By that standard every government in the Middle East aside from Israel is a terrorist organization.
Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (YVvSQ)

No not really. AlQuada was using Afghanistan as their home base.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:40 PM (85Gof)

226 So grateful to God that my son Jake came back whole & unharmed from his combat tour in that awful place. My heart goes out to the families whose sons & daughters didn't.
Posted by: troyriser

Thank God indeed. Even a lot of those that did come back are dealing with a lot of issues with pain both physical and mental. My son's best friend was an Army Ranger and he has suffered bouts of severe PTSD and drug/alcohol problems from seeing his team members blown up.

Let's get our troops home. You either go big and loosen the ROE or don't at all.

Posted by: Cheri at February 14, 2020 01:40 PM (oiNtH)

227 219 The shithole borders Iran and Russia.
For those reasons alone prescence is invaluable.
Posted by: torabora at February 14, 2020 01:39 PM (Y274z)

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Think I heard this argument in regard to Iraq (proximity to Iran).

Only thing we got out of that is EFPs.

And now Iraq is Iran's bitch.

Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2020 01:40 PM (RU4sa)

228
And, please "pick" the poppies, w a forever kiss of herbicide, on your way out the door.
Posted by: EveR at February 14, 2020 01:21 PM (ZZDMQ)






Naw. Let 'em spend all that effort to grow the poppies, then dump WP and napalm on every field just before harvest time.

When they starve that year, maybe the survivors will consider growing something they can actually eat.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 14, 2020 01:41 PM (kw0bd)

229 It was our godless Rock and Roll and partying. I'm not kidding.
Posted by: lowandslow

So, if I'm following you correctly, this is a blame it on the Bee Gees theory? Newsletter?

Posted by: Sock Monkey...channeling my inner hillbilly at February 14, 2020 01:41 PM (Lp+bg)

230 209 I am absolutely fine with whack-a-mole as a strategy in Afghanistan.
Posted by: no good deed


"non-interventionist deterrence"

Use that term, it sounds edumucated. It means bomb the dicks off the fuckers whenever they step out of line, and you won't have to invade.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 14, 2020 01:41 PM (LWu6U)

231 Yeah, it takes a while to come to terms that everything you ever believed in was a lie.

What they went in there for and set out to do wasn't a lie. They were as usual betrayed by Washington DC.

There is a reason Islamic fundamentalism took hold across the Middle
East in the 1970's.


A couple of events led them to believe that they were more powerful than they really were and could succeed better than they really could. This built confidence in radical Islam and its lies among the poor and easily misled.

Stuff like the Oympics killings, several highjackings with no retaliation, taking hostages, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (KZzsI)

232 222 202 190 AG Barr has installed an outside prosecutor to review Michael Flynn case.


my money's on Patrick Fitzgerald
Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:40 PM (rpxSz)

Don't bet just yet...


@ShimonPro

William Barr is ordering a re-examinations of several high-profile cases, including that of former national security adviser Michael Flynn. US Attorney Jeffrey Jensen of St. Louis has been tasked with taking a second look at some aspects of the sensitive cases.

Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (cF8AT)

233 Keep kidding yourself. Afghanistan is not "winnable" by any stretch of the imagination. Never was.. never will be.

Not unless you are willing to nuke every dink village in the entire fucking country.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


No, it could have been but the US is not willing to do what it takes.

It would have required the US to drop in and give them one message.

"We are the American Tribe. You will join us or die."

And then execute that to the fullest. We own it, we rule it like fucking Romans. We kill every thing that gets in our way, including every Pak agent, connection, and group.

No nukes necessary. Just complete colonization top to bottom.

But the US isn't the country that is willing to do that. For better or worse.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (ILS6+)

234 You're assuming Trump is re-elected, of course.
Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:38 PM (77WPm)

I've been wrong about everything else

so why not assume ?

Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (rpxSz)

235 Now we give Obama another peace prize.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (2PWyM)

236 Can't wait for David French's next screed "You're not a good Christian if you don't support this gross waste of life and treasure because good Christians--like only me-- support this because it's just like missionary work and it's my favorite type of cause: where I get all the credit and others lose their life and money"

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (vPKfA)

237 >McCabe is walking, but the bigger fish are going to swing.

Please, enough of this already.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (L106N)

238 Posted by: Muad'dib at February 14, 2020 01:25 PM (sjdRT)

I feel your pain. This is maddening.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (BLT3V)

239 >>It will remain a mystery to me as it is in Iraq, how can the same
population have one group of men be shitty fighters and the other group
be an aggressive competent adversary. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:37 PM (2DOZq)


You know where the competent guys came from, right? Jordan. Morocco. Syria. Lebanon. Africa.

Show me someone who'd been passed around Iraqi detention centers as a badass recidivist, and I'll show you a non-Iraqi.

Posted by: Zod at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (u4/yY)

240 John Kerry will be seen in Afghanistan any day now...

Posted by: Allie at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (UnA8+)

241 Yes and no...this does not apply to anything Durham is working on

Posted by: Nevergiveup


And when Durham peters out like Huber, what's plan C?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (nQpdK)

242 Yeah, lots of borderline anti mil posts. Fuck you to anyone writing that.

You want to talk about piss poor ROE's like the crap the last administration proffered. Yep, I'm with you. You want to talk about just leaving the field, which is what this looks like- we'll be back.

AFG has become a hornets nest of all the worst groups who endeavor to kill us both abroad and in the homeland. This will just give them a chance to build up. We should at a minimum be keeping a base to operate from.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (rLZe7)

243 Again, people have lost the plot here.

This was never about conquering Afghanistan and making it westernized.

It was only ever supposed to be to punish them for being at terrorist hotbed and training spot, and to get the radical Muslims out of power.

That's achievable. But the goals were lost and it just became another stupid occupation slog.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
...........
No. It is NOT achievable.

You are fucking delusional.

Who are the radical Muslims you are going to take out?

You got names (maybe) and addresses on them?

Knock on their door and arrest them?

We should have gone in in late 2001 and been out in 6 months after destroying the training camps. Period.

And let me ask you something.. who the fuck cares if there are radical Muslims in Afghanistan? I don't give a shit.

If they come over and fuck with us, then I DO give a shit. But occupying these shitholes for 20 years is NOT our business.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (so+oy)

244 Pull out and pray.
Just like High School.

Posted by: wth at February 14, 2020 01:43 PM (v0R5T)

245 Two of our son's buddies ate theirs guns after coming home.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:43 PM (ptqGC)

246 231 Stuff like the Oympics killings, several highjackings with no retaliation, taking hostages, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (KZzsI)

=========

Shoulda sent in James Bond.

He would have killed all their best killers and taught their women the joys of Western men.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at February 14, 2020 01:43 PM (q80AH)

247 For the neocons and the GW wing of the GOPe, warfighting and politics are one in the same: They don't mind losing, as long as they do it with decorum and don't ruffle any feathers.

*spit*

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at February 14, 2020 01:43 PM (QyoQ9)

248 I don't think Afghanistan has a border with Russia, but id has a border with some former Soviet republics, Iran, Pakistan, and China

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:43 PM (HALdu)

249 Let them go back to butchering babes, playing stick-and ball with people's heads, and pissing on their neighbours.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Co. Q, 365th Dog Faced Pony Soldier Bn. at February 14, 2020 01:43 PM (jW9oF)

250 >But the US isn't the country that is willing to do that. For better or worse.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (ILS6+)


We essentially did just that in Japan, post WWII.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 14, 2020 01:43 PM (sjdRT)

251 Colon Powell would like a word. We broke it; we bought it.

But colon Powell was STATE, not the military nor the president. He can say whatever the hell he wants. The clearly stated reason for going in was simply to punish them and destroy the radical Muslim government.

The fact that fools then changed this and listened to globalist pukes like Powell is another matter.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:43 PM (KZzsI)

252 Yes and no...this does not apply to anything Durham is working on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:26 PM (85Gof)

I really wish people would stop saying this. So what!? He walks on the exact same charges that others are still battling!

And McCabe is all over CNN taking a victory lap.

Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:44 PM (cF8AT)

253 And let me ask you something.. who the fuck cares if there are radical Muslims in Afghanistan? I don't give a shit.

If they come over and fuck with us, then I DO give a shit.


Make up your mind

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:44 PM (KZzsI)

254 And when Durham peters out like Huber, what's plan C?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (nQpdK)

If and when he does get back to me. As for me I will wait to see how things play out.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:44 PM (85Gof)

255 everything = anything.

At this point Trump could be assassinated by his own secret service detail and Barr would still give it a pass.

Posted by: I Have Questions at February 14, 2020 01:44 PM (ZhFYR)

256 my money's on Patrick Fitzgerald
Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:40 PM (rpxSz)

Don't bet just yet...


@ShimonPro

William Barr is ordering a re-examinations of several high-profile cases, including that of former national security adviser Michael Flynn. US Attorney Jeffrey Jensen of St. Louis has been tasked with taking a second look at some aspects of the sensitive cases.
Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (cF8AT)

increase your droll reception

Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:45 PM (rpxSz)

257 No, it could have been but the US is not willing to do what it takes.


I said the very same thing to my husband. We don't have the stomach to wage total war, and nation building is bullshit. If you slap us, we will drop an anvil on you and walk away. That's it. Whoever steps into the power vacuum will get the same thing if they even breathe in our direction. There, that's my policy.

Posted by: no good deed at February 14, 2020 01:45 PM (MmFTx)

258 > I really wish people would stop saying this. So what!? He walks on the exact same charges that others are still battling!



And McCabe is all over CNN taking a victory lap.





Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:44 PM (cF8AT)


I'll mark Tami down as on team "What the actual legal fuck?".

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 14, 2020 01:45 PM (sjdRT)

259 Jane, did you get some Vitamin C yet?

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:45 PM (AKzC2)

260 If they come over and fuck with us, then I DO give a shit. But occupying these shitholes for 20 years is NOT our business.

------

You dont flatten *just* the training camps.

You also flatten the governmental buildings for allowing the camps in the first place.

THEN you hang a sign on the gate. "To whomever comes next. Fuck with us again and we'll be back" Signed.... Uncle Sam.

THEN you leave.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2020 01:46 PM (8XRCm)

261 But occupying these shitholes for 20 years is NOT our business.

Even that is a fallacy. We never "occupied" anything. You can't with 150,000 troops.

Nation building is a sop to both the military-industrial AND NGO-industrial complexes. We played a very stupid costly game for a long time. It's time to stop.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 14, 2020 01:46 PM (Boy/L)

262 >>We should at a minimum be keeping a base to operate from. Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (rLZe7)


You misspelled "target."

Posted by: Zod at February 14, 2020 01:46 PM (u4/yY)

263 We essentially did just that in Japan, post WWII.
Posted by: Muad'dib


Not really. Japan was a modern civilization with a monarchical cult.

Afghan is and was a 12th century shithole.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:46 PM (ILS6+)

264 Can someone ping me when the McCabe post comes up? I'm heading out to buy ammo.

Posted by: motionview at February 14, 2020 01:46 PM (pYQR/)

265 And when Durham peters out like Huber, what's plan C?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (nQpdK)

There will be a Plan D. Then a Plan E. Then a Plan...

Normalcy Bias is real. I get it; the alternatives are really almost too awful to contemplate.

But contemplate them we must. We are not voting, legislating, or legalizing our way out of this.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:46 PM (77WPm)

266 233
Keep kidding yourself. Afghanistan is not "winnable" by any stretch of the imagination. Never was.. never will be.



Not unless you are willing to nuke every dink village in the entire fucking country.



Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry



No, it could have been but the US is not willing to do what it takes.



It would have required the US to drop in and give them one message.



"We are the American Tribe. You will join us or die."



And then execute that to the fullest. We own it, we rule it like
fucking Romans. We kill every thing that gets in our way, including
every Pak agent, connection, and group.



No nukes necessary. Just complete colonization top to bottom.



But the US isn't the country that is willing to do that. For better or worse.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:42 PM (ILS6+)

America has lost its stomach for war - true war. Now, I'm not a veteran, I'm a civilian. But if we are going to put up our country's riches (military personnel, equipment, money, etc.), then why pussy foot around the task at hand? We shudder at the loss of civilian casualties. And certainly tragic, it happens. (Look what WWII wrought). Americans think wars can be won just like a video game. Surgical strikes with missiles that only take out the bad guys.
The enemy will fight no holds barred.

Until Americans change this mindset, we will lose every war we fight from now on.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 14, 2020 01:46 PM (N39Ws)

267 Lives lost.
Lives changed.
Money burned.
Boy are the NeverTrumpers going to be mad that it all will not continue forever.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 14, 2020 01:46 PM (pw+jk)

268 Tump's ending the forever war for electoral advantage and to buttfuck the neocons. impeach.

Posted by: x at February 14, 2020 01:47 PM (nFwvY)

269 Lol. And if you don't think this is largely a political move by Trump, I have a massage parlor in Kunar Province to sell you.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 01:47 PM (rLZe7)

270 I said the very same thing to my husband. We don't have the stomach to wage total war, and nation building is bullshit. If you slap us, we will drop an anvil on you and walk away. That's it. Whoever steps into the power vacuum will get the same thing if they even breathe in our direction. There, that's my policy.
Posted by: no good deed


Sounds good to me.

Posted by: eleven at February 14, 2020 01:47 PM (QLPEO)

271 >>Shoulda sent in James Bond.
He would have killed all their best killers and taught their women the joys of Western men. Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at February 14, 2020 01:43 PM (q80AH)

Dhimmis Are Forever

Posted by: Zod at February 14, 2020 01:47 PM (u4/yY)

272 Bush only ran this operation for 6 years. During that time we kilt a lot of those that deserved to be kilt. Whether he would have done something different even if he was President 2008 and beyond you could argue he would have been no different than Obama but I can't say. I'm just saying the first six years was a different animal with Iraq being the focus.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:47 PM (2DOZq)

273 You dont flatten *just* the training camps.

You also flatten the governmental buildings for allowing the camps in the first place.


You wipe out the mosques, you kill the people stirring up trouble, you obliterate the villages they're hiding in. You take the gloves off, go full barbarian, then walk away from the rubble as its still bouncing. "Don't make us come back"

The left will wail and gnash their teeth and weep and make sad movies about baby raping scum who died in hell fire, but the lesson will have been learned and people are quickly and easily distracted these days.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:47 PM (KZzsI)

274 I really wish people would stop saying this. So what!? He walks on the exact same charges that others are still battling!

And McCabe is all over CNN taking a victory lap.

Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:44 PM (cF8AT)

No that is not true. And he has subpoena power. He is working on a whole host of things. And what mcaaabe does is not my concern. Indicted or not, he is a disgrace and was fired for it, no matter how the prick rationalizes it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:47 PM (85Gof)

275 In centuries, we haven't even been able to make liberal democracy really stick in Europe and north America. How the hell was it ever going to stick in lower goatfuckistan in a couple of years?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 14, 2020 01:48 PM (Ct55T)

276 increase your droll reception

Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:45 PM (rpxSz)

I'm too angry right now. I've penciled in droll for later this evening.

Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:48 PM (cF8AT)

277 I said the very same thing to my husband. We don't have the stomach to wage total war, and nation building is bullshit. If you slap us, we will drop an anvil on you and walk away. That's it. Whoever steps into the power vacuum will get the same thing if they even breathe in our direction. There, that's my policy.
Posted by: no good deed




Sure, but the thing is they use suicide bombers and human shields so, not much of a deterrent

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:48 PM (HALdu)

278 Flynn "lied" to the FBI - Quick investigation, trial, jail time.

Manafort "lied" on foreign agent forms- quick trial, jail time

Cohen "lied" about business - quick trial, jail

Stone "lied" to congress -Swat Raid, quick trial, jail

McCabe lied to the FBI. Meh, what are you gonna do?

If you want a revolution, this is how you get a revolution.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 14, 2020 01:48 PM (eEH94)

279 Look to Britain and its dealings with Afghanistan in the 1800s, that should be enough of a primer.
Posted by: Anna Puma

For more fun, read the fictionalized war in Afghanistan waged by Alexander in
"The Afghan Campaign" by Stephen Pressfield.

It has a pretty downer ending.

A lot of underlying message is that Afghanistan (as it is understood in the present tense, or used to be called Scythia) has always been like this. Islam was kind of an overlay, where they accepted the parts of Islam that suited them. Like always on razza stealing something they couldn't make build or raise on their own.

Nations fall into this trap about thinking what is possible and not understanding just what is not going to work.

As was said above, the stupid fallacy that educated government types think is that people everywhere really want to be "like us". Well, like a lot of modern immigrants (especially the illegal kind) to the US, they want to have our stuff, but they don't want what we call our civilization. They want something meaner and more tribal to protect them (like a mafia don) to help them get them what they want, with the minimum effort.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at February 14, 2020 01:48 PM (vcOmj)

280 and rape kids

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:48 PM (HALdu)

281 Didn't Vlad tell lil Georgie to stay the fuck out of Agfghanistan

Posted by: REDACTED at February 14, 2020 01:48 PM (rpxSz)

282 Until Americans change this mindset, we will lose every war we fight from now on.

Nah, we always win the WAR part of the operation. Its the cleanup afterward we screw up. We always destroy the enemy in an almost shockingly one-sided fashion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (KZzsI)

283 It's a very dangerous part of the world and we have a limited amount of places to operate from to get at any people we want deaded.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (rLZe7)

284 For those that still want to maintain troops in shitholes as a "deterrent", fuck you.

You go or send your loved ones there.

I'm out before I say something bannable.

Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (RU4sa)

285 I'm just saying the first six years was a different animal with Iraq being the focus.

Meh. We went in light both places, put stupid ROE into practice in both places, and ignored foreign interference in both places. Bush was just as effed up as Obama in both places.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (Boy/L)

286 Shoulda sent in James Bond.



craig bond would have gotten raped and cried about it

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (HALdu)

287 America has lost its stomach for war - true war


We have lost the stomach for us to take casualties also.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (2DOZq)

288 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:47 PM (KZzsI)

----

*fistbump*


I think we're on the same page.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (8XRCm)

289 No that is not true. And he has subpoena power. He is working on a whole host of things. And what mcaaabe does is not my concern. Indicted or not, he is a disgrace and was fired for it, no matter how the prick rationalizes it

Watching yet another scumbag criminal who abused his power against Americans walk is not soothing or something easy to forget.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (KZzsI)

290 Lol. And if you don't think this is largely a political move by Trump, I have a massage parlor in Kunar Province to sell you.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 01:47 PM (rLZe7)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Trump campaign in 2016 specifically on ending our forever wars?

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:50 PM (77WPm)

291 The Taliban is a problem for the whole word. That includes Russia, Europe, and China.

Yet our boys are over there fighting. Why? Because we are the suckers.

We did not explain to them using our vast High Explosive communicative skills. That's on Clinton, but then the idiot son goes in to turn a bunch of goat-f--ckers into civilized people -- that's on him.

TFG thought he could charm them into the 19th century.

Trump understands that mistakes were made, and the first step is to admit there is a problem. Going forward, we can get back to a more effective, and sane path.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 14, 2020 01:50 PM (LWu6U)

292 Day after Barr told Trump to hush on Twitter.

My new favorite phrase....

What are the *chances*?

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:50 PM (AKzC2)

293
The shithole borders Iran and Russia.
For those reasons alone prescence is invaluable.
Posted by: torabora at February 14, 2020 01:39 PM (Y274z)






Yeah, but the borders and approaches are mountainous, and easy to cut off. The fucking muj did it to the Sovs in the Salang Tunnel. They claimed to have ambushed a Soviet convoy and a fuel truck blew up inside the tunnel back in '82. Hundreds, maybe thousands died.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 14, 2020 01:50 PM (kw0bd)

294 I grieve for the warriors that gave part of or everything on a wasted effort that did nothing but line the pockets of weapons manufacturers and stroke the egos of neocons everywhere.
Posted by: blake
--------------

Having recently read of the engagements of sundry European countries (and sometimes UN) troops in sundry colonies, it seems parallel.

The French lost thousands in the Indo-China war(s), the British lost who knows how many here and yon, even the Irish in the Belgian Congo.

Guys who died fighting, often in truly unimaginable circumstances. Superficially, all for naught, it seems. Of course, hindsight does not make strategic errors.

How empty it must seem for some Irishman to say, "You grandpa died fighting in the Belgian Congo."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (CDGwz)

295 I don't think Barr has the faintest f*cking clue what's going on in the minds of Americans. If he did, he wouldn't have whined about Trump's tweets. No, he's just another Bush-era plug and DC denizen.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (H8QX8)

296 Don't forget Lebanon.
Posted by: Captain Hate

=======

Or Egypt.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2020 01:32 PM (13CQC)

And stalwart NATO member Turkey.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 14, 2020 01:34 PM (Yp/pV)


Or Palestine and Berkeley.

Posted by: Headless Roland at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (z79tQ)

297 Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:43


I'm done for the day.
Prayers for your boy and his friends, Jane.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (d7Ww2)

298 Well, here's something else that will amount to nothing but we'll play the stupid game I suppose...

@CBS_Herridge

SCOOP: Chairman Senate Judiciary formally asks AG Barr to make witnesses available for probe “Crossfire Hurricane” + #FISA @CBSNews told “former Dept employees“ cited in letter will be contacted directly, plan to call Comey McCabe Yates Rosenstein among others @LindseyGrahamSC

https://tinyurl.com/t9edbgz

Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (cF8AT)

299 Betelgeuse watch.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8004367

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (XzVUd)

300 Cat Ass Trophy@278,

Yep.

Curious how the legal ratchet only works one way. It's almost as if there's a Deep State.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (6eEQ+)

301 Wasn't "boots on the ground in Afghanistan" part of Barack Obama's legacy?


Afghanistan = Barry's War

Posted by: Fritz at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (ATCV4)

302 Done the wrong way, this will be Trump's SOFA moment. He should ask Obama how that worked out. Oh wait, Trump's been talking about how he eliminated ISIS, ad nauseum.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (rLZe7)

303
A lot of underlying message is that Afghanistan (as it is understood in the present tense, or used to be called Scythia) has always been like this. Islam was kind of an overlay, where they accepted the parts of Islam that suited them. Like always on razza stealing something they couldn't make build or raise on their own.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at February 14, 2020 01:48 PM (vcOmj)

Scythia is north of Afghanistan and typically was a horse people place. Typically Afghanistan has been part of some Persian empire, I'd have to check when this stopped being the case.

Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (YVvSQ)

304 We should have gone in in 2001, knocked down the government, declared Kandahar Air Base a US protectorate, and left the rest of the country to rot in the Middle Ages. Then when one of the savages got uppity, we could whack them from Kandahar.

Posted by: motionview at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (pYQR/)

305 I have a question for those arguing we should stay in Afghanistan.

Are you willing to go there personally to support the effort? Would you send your family members or friends there? Are you willing to die for the cause? How many other Americans are you willing to see die to support a society based on tribalism where any resident with half a mind seeks to leave?

If you are not willing to do the dirty work yourself including being possibly prosecuted back here as a war criminal as some have been, then no one else should be sent either.

If someone want to construe that as anti-military--then go right ahead.

Which would be odd since I served and my father and grandfather served, and ancestors have served wars dating back to the Revolution and several are resting eternally in national cemeteries as the 'honored' dead.

Posted by: whig at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (EUDB2)

306 "As glad as I am that the DOJ... finally decided to do the right thing today... It's a disgrace that they took 2 years and put my family through this experience for two years before they finally drew the obvious conclusion."

Video: https://tinyurl.com/rfjoc76
Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (cF8AT)


Barr gave McCabe a pardon (or whatever it is that DoJ can do that is even more powerful than a pardon)?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (1g7ch)

307 274 I really wish people would stop saying this. So what!? He walks on the exact same charges that others are still battling!

And McCabe is all over CNN taking a victory lap.

Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:44 PM (cF8AT)


Whenever I get this pissed off, I imagine what it must be like to be a democrat right now...

Everyone (even the press) knows that this coming election is going to be massive. The turnout enthusiasm among democrats in Iowa and New Hampshire sucked, while Trump was packing stadiums there and even in New Jersey.

Yes, it would be nice if we could get the government cleaned up now, but I know it's coming eventually.

Posted by: jwest at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (U6f/q)

308 Well, here's something else that will amount to nothing but we'll play the stupid game I suppose

I'm sure they will do lots of talking, get on TV and have great fundraising quotes to mail out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (KZzsI)

309 And what mcaaabe does is not my concern. Indicted or not, he is a disgrace and was fired for it, no matter how the prick rationalizes it

Watching yet another scumbag criminal who abused his power against Americans walk is not soothing or something easy to forget.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (KZzsI)

I agree 100% but PDT is in the White House and not FAB. And as I get older I have more patience, so I wait watch and listen. Which is better than running around screaming the sky is falling

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (85Gof)

310 Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (H8QX
*******
Is that from the Publix Store Manager

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (BqBId)

311 how you say surprise anal in Pashto?

Posted by: Little Brian at February 14, 2020 01:53 PM (ZZEwZ)

312 ace, you're not that young?

The original objectives set for A-stan were met, quickly and easily. And they were set with the advice of warriors.

A-stan probably was the worst possible place that we *had* to intervene, in some way, after 9/11 - but that's life. But initially our actions showed we understood the inherent limitations.

And enough of the "lost" wars crap. Find the enemies we had in the wars we "lost". AQ central, Ba'ath regime, Ba'ath regime remnant follow-ons, AQ franchise in Iraq riffing off those.

Oh, right. You can't.* They were destroyed. "Lost" doesn't mean what so many seem to think it means.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2020 01:53 PM (El6T/)

313 The primary function of the United States Government is to preserve itself from all threats, foreign and domestic.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 14, 2020 01:53 PM (3H9h1)

314 SCOOP: Chairman Senate Judiciary formally asks AG Barr to make witnesses available for probe "Crossfire Hurricane" + #FISA @CBSNews told "former Dept employees" cited in letter will be contacted directly, plan to call Comey McCabe Yates Rosenstein among others @LindseyGrahamSC

https://tinyurl.com/t9edbgz
Posted by: Tami at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (cF8AT)

Yippee! More preening for the cameras by members of the world's most deliberately arrogant body!! Can't fucking wait.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:53 PM (77WPm)

315 299 Betelgeuse watch.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8004367
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (XzVUd)

Oooh. It'd be really cool to get to see that happen in our life time.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:53 PM (KUaJL)

316 how you say surprise anal in Pashto?
Posted by: Little Brian at February




hey kid

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:54 PM (HALdu)

317 Is that from the Publix Store Manager
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (BqBId)

You might be well-advised to listen to Publix Store managers.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 14, 2020 01:54 PM (H8QX8)

318 "This shithole where rape of young boys is not only tolerated, but openly celebrated?"

Really?....Is this true?
...Hmmmmmmmm....I've got some vacation coming.......

Posted by: EX MAYOR PETER PUFFER at February 14, 2020 01:54 PM (lMn1U)

319 how you say surprise anal in Pashto?
Posted by: Little Brian at February 14, 2020 01:53 PM (ZZEwZ)

"BAAAAAAA-AAAA-AAAA!!!!!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 14, 2020 01:54 PM (Ct55T)

320 Yeah, the True Republicans and Democrats succeeded in making me have a fairly stay-at-home attitude about military action. Kill thousands of our middle class kids and waste trillions of our tax dollars for jack sh*t before surrendering the countries to the neighbors, while they send their kids to launder money in Ukraine.

*spit*
Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 14, 2020 01:12 PM (RB8C+)

Oh, I still like miliary action. It is what our military has trained for and unlike the late 70s blunders is pretty good at.

Occupations, short term or long are not military action, and the armed forces can't do them. They don't have the doctrine or training. Just like they are not suited for running a preschool.

If you want occupations, start building a branch of service to do it, and only it, and perhaps I will back it. The Romans, for instance were fairly good at using minimal forces and local proxies to hold down large areas with small forces, so it can be done.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 14, 2020 01:54 PM (eoQWY)

321 Lindsey Graham plans to call McCabe, Comey, Rosenstein, Yates.

From the Green Room at Fox.

Posted by: motionview at February 14, 2020 01:55 PM (pYQR/)

322
We have lost the stomach for us to take casualties also.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (2DOZq)

We also have a party and media willing to leak our info, fight us on all strategy, and demoralize us to help the other side.

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:55 PM (AKzC2)

323 316 how you say surprise anal in Pashto?
Posted by: Little Brian at February

hey kid
Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 01:54 PM (HALdu)

The sophisticated muz says "Oh you kid!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 14, 2020 01:55 PM (BiNEL)

324 Later all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:55 PM (85Gof)

325 I'll wait to see what the final agreement is. But right now it looks like a terrible move. Let's see if Trump listens to "our great generals" he likes to talk about so much or blows the donkey for political expediency and then Tweets about how he had to do it to end the forever wars, at 2am.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (rLZe7)

326 Jeebus, the imaginary history with many is worse than I thought.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (El6T/)

327 299 Betelgeuse watch.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8004367
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (XzVUd)

Oooh. It'd be really cool to get to see that happen in our life time.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:53 PM (KUaJL)

It is really dim right now

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (M+Lyo)

328 Definitely a fail, not doubt about it. The one thing Trump did that I hate is negotiating with these goat fucking savages. But, as has been mentioned a million times, I have no idea what victory was meant to look like in W's eyes, and we all know Obambi was determined to let our guys get slaughtered, so withdrawing is the best option.

Best option if reducing the entire to rubble is not on the table and apparently it never was.

Perhaps if the talibs can settle in to "governing" instead of being constantly being on the run, or defending positions, they'll all gather in one area, and we can get them all at once with a few key strikes a little further in the future.

I do hope we make a big statement as we leave. Salting the poppy fields would be good, and leaving a lot of dead bodies, too.


Posted by: Velvet glove, iron fist at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (pdJ7d)

329 >>302
Done the wrong way, this will be Trump's SOFA moment. He should ask
Obama how that worked out. Oh wait, Trump's been talking about how he
eliminated ISIS, ad nauseum. Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (rLZe7)

You're comparing apples and oranges. Iraq was destined to be a client state as a buffer between Iran and KSA, and when SOFA went into effect, a desirable vacuum was filled by Iran. AFG has no similar appeal. Taliban takes over, sharia, we finally allow the heroin trade to continue ruining Russian youth.

Posted by: Zod at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (u4/yY)

330 11
Compilation of three earlier posts:



Here's what I would do were I Trump:



I would announce that I will not veto the restrictions placed on me
to use force, and if Congress does not declare war everywhere troops are
in combat I will withdraw them immediately.

Force Congress to formally go on the record and approve every
military adventure in progress, no matter how small! As CinC, I would
tell the Pentagon to start drafting plans for immediate withdrawal ASAP
from everywhere!

And when Congress won't go on record and approve every military
action, I would tell every commander to thermite every military piece in
place that can't be hand carried and have everyone on troop transports
by 5:00 this evening.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 01:08 PM (nQpdK)
-----
I like the cut of your jib. I'd include NATO, S. Korea and the rest in that.60 -70 fucking years is more than enough.

Posted by: Groundhog at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (VYwSh)

331 299 Betelgeuse watch.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8004367
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at February 14, 2020 01:51 PM (XzVUd)

Oooh. It'd be really cool to get to see that happen in our life time.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:53 PM (KUaJL)

Might also be God's announcement that Jesus is on his way.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Purveyor of Locally Sourced artisinal Hogwash at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (xPJvm)

332 And the Celebratory Casualty Counters all got taken down from news sites on January 21st, 2009.

What are the *chances*?

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (AKzC2)

333 From Jeff Carlson @themarketswork:

1/ "Attorney General William P. Barr has assigned an outside prosecutor to scrutinize the criminal case against President Trump's former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn."

2/ Barr has also installed a handful of outside prosecutors to broadly review the handling of other politically sensitive national-security cases in the U.S. attorney's office in Washington.

3/ "Over the past two weeks, the outside prosecutors have begun grilling line prosecutors in the Washington office about various cases -- some public, some not -- including investigative steps, prosecutorial actions and why they took them."

Posted by: IrishEi at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (sGotD)

334 Lindsey Graham plans to call McCabe, Comey, Rosenstein, Yates.

From the Green Room at Fox.
Posted by: motionview at February 14, 2020 01:55 PM (pYQR/)

And when they all tell Lady Lindsey to LOLGF?

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (77WPm)

335 287 America has lost its stomach for war - true war
We have lost the stomach for us to take casualties also.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 14, 2020 01:49 PM (2DOZq)

To truly pacify Afghanistan, we would have had to kill almost everyone there, not just a few. And that would have meant establishing camps and running the crematoriums 24 hours a day, because there'd be too many bodies to get rid of any other way. There's a good reason we can't do that as a culture.

Genocide is easy to say glibly, but the nuts and bolts of carrying it out always look the same.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (Kpl3J)

336 RE: Nuking the enemy. Trump has ordered and they are in production new low yield nuclear weapons.

This quote is from (almost all) articles I've read about it:

"Military experts have also warned against using low-yield and high-yield warheads on the same missiles, arguing that it "creates a situation where an adversary doesn't know which system is being used and therefore reacts as if the larger warhead has been launched," the report said.

Hey military expert, have the Pentagram send them a note like Obama did.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (wXw18)

337 Tami, thanks for the update on Jensen being added to review the Flynn case. Jensen's history includes a 10 year stint as an FBI agent, before he attended law school in St. Louis. I'm hoping that he was selected in some part bc he would know what evidence should have been available and what procedures were abused in this case.

Posted by: EveR at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (ZZDMQ)

338 321 Lindsey Graham plans to call McCabe, Comey, Rosenstein, Yates.

From the Green Room at Fox.
Posted by: motionview at February 14, 2020 01:55 PM (pYQR/)

Expect a really intense discussion of doughnut preferences!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (BiNEL)

339 333 3/ "Over the past two weeks, the outside prosecutors have begun grilling line prosecutors in the Washington office about various cases -- some public, some not -- including investigative steps, prosecutorial actions and why they took them."
Posted by: IrishEi at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (sGotD)

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Interesting...

And within that window we have the Roger Stone blowup.

Curiouser and curiouser...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (q80AH)

340 I make considerations for Bush.

I called him the idiot son above, and he was,

But he was also dealing with something new. He had to figure out how to prevent another 9/11 and that was his only priority. He leveraged all other foreign policy toward that goal, and I think being in the ME was partly to make sure that it would not happen again.

He screwed up with running Iraq war, ROE, no clear exit plan, etc. but going in can be excused due to the circumstances, and keeping it low level may have made sense. But after 4 or so years, there had to be a plan to get out and there wasn't.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (LWu6U)

341 >>> Lindsey Graham plans to call McCabe, Comey, Rosenstein, Yates.

From the Green Room at Fox.

======

That will get them shaking in their boots! You get 'em, Lindsey.

Poser.

Posted by: 6to4to3 at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (Z/Q5q)

342 Colon Powell would like a word. We broke it; we bought it.

Fuck him in particular.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (lBeMA)

343 Yippee! More preening for the cameras by members of the world's most deliberately arrogant body!! Can't fucking wait.
Posted by: DocJ at February

"My question for you, sir is...forthcoming, after I give this 5-minute re-election speech."

Posted by: Biergood at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (yb6r+)

344 And as I get older I have more patience, so I wait watch and listen. Which is better than running around screaming the sky is falling
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (85Gof)

Yes, it is better to have patience..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 14, 2020 01:58 PM (WI7YS)

345 jwest.. what happens in 2024? I think Trump wins this November. 2024 is gonna be a whole other deal. I'm sorry but most people are fucking stupid and some slick talker, Obama 2.0 will emerge and the people will be enamored with a new shiny object. But he/she will end up destroying us.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 14, 2020 01:58 PM (BLT3V)

346
America has lost its stomach for war - true war


We have lost the stomach for us to take casualties also.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

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A war of ideology, phew. MASSIVE attrition.

I imagine there's some analysis in the bowels of the Pentagon on how to win the types of wars we face now, but it's too radical and realistic to see the light of day. If it's found by the right person, it could get leaked to the NY Times as evidence of how much we hate Muslims.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2020 01:58 PM (13CQC)

347 303
A lot of underlying message is that Afghanistan (as it is understood in the present tense, or used to be called Scythia) has always been like this. Islam was kind of an overlay, where they accepted the parts of Islam that suited them. Like always on razza stealing something they couldn't make build or raise on their own.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at February 14, 2020 01:48 PM (vcOmj)

Scythia is north of Afghanistan and typically was a horse people place. Typically Afghanistan has been part of some Persian empire, I'd have to check when this stopped being the case.
Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (YVvSQ)

I've watched a few videos about the Scythians. I never had the impression their land became Afghanistan.
Afghanistan does not appear to be horse country.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 14, 2020 01:58 PM (Uu+Jp)

348 Y'all need to lighten up. It's Valentines Day after all! I've got just the thing, hang on...

*releases crateful of otters*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 14, 2020 01:58 PM (NWiLs)

349 Might also be God's announcement that Jesus is on his way.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Purveyor of Locally Sourced artisinal Hogwash at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (xPJvm)

Given Jesus' statement that he'd come "like a thief in the night" it seems unlikely that he'd foreshadow his return like that.

But what do I know.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (KUaJL)

350 Scythia is north of Afghanistan and typically was a horse people place. Typically Afghanistan has been part of some Persian empire, I'd have to check when this stopped being the case.
Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (YVvSQ)

Bactria, I believe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (Kpl3J)

351 I agree 100% but PDT is in the White House and not FAB. And as I get older I have more patience, so I wait watch and listen. Which is better than running around screaming the sky is falling
Posted by: Nevergiveup


Sometimes it is time to spit on your hand and hoist the black flag.
But first...the running and screaming that the sky is falling.
Really, I get what you're saying.

McCabe's time will come. This is not over.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (vcOmj)

352 The chosen juan:

@SteveGuest 15h
Pete Buttigieg tries and fails at speaking Spanish while addressing the LULAC presidential town hall in Las Vegas.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (ILS6+)

353 OT:

I've noticed Democratic ads on conservative sites.

Be sure to click on them if you see them. They pay the sites for every click (as well as further engagement after the click), so you get Democratic Senate candidates funding Instapundit, etc.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (q80AH)

354 The Scythians were the original dog face pony soldiers.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (Uu+Jp)

355 1. Permanently Orbit Laser Targeting Satellite Over Afghanistan;

2. Bring All Troops Home;

3. Station Drones With Hellfire Missiles in Adjacent Country;

4. Kill Enemy Scumbags As Necessary.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 14, 2020 02:00 PM (Hn8E7)

356 Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (rLZe7)

Winning reelection is his ONLY job right now. That will thankfully include keeping promises but also stuff that will play well or that can defuse Leftard attacks.

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 02:00 PM (AKzC2)

357 >>>For more fun, read the fictionalized war in Afghanistan waged by Alexander in
"The Afghan Campaign" by Stephen Pressfield.

It has a pretty downer ending.



I think in reality Alexander wandered up to the border and shit over it. They were Helenized for something like 500 years...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 14, 2020 02:00 PM (1g7ch)

358 If it's found by the right person, it could get leaked to the NY Times as evidence of how much we hate Muslims.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia


Hell, just ask me.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 02:00 PM (nQpdK)

359 352 The chosen juan:

@SteveGuest 15h
Pete Buttigieg tries and fails at speaking Spanish while addressing the LULAC presidential town hall in Las Vegas.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (ILS6+)

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Heh.

Pandering is bad. Doing it poorly is worse.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at February 14, 2020 02:00 PM (q80AH)

360 I wait watch and listen. Which is better than running around screaming the sky is falling
Posted by: Nevergiveup
---------

*?*

I don't get that. What does that mean? 'The sky is falling'? That's ridiculous. Boomer.

Posted by: A Millennial, who has only read 'Joseph's New Dress' at February 14, 2020 02:00 PM (xSo9G)

361 Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 14, 2020 01:54 PM (H8QX
*********
NAH As Ignorant of the facts as you are I'll Pass thank you

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at February 14, 2020 02:00 PM (BqBId)

362 ... spit over it... spit

But I guess it worked either way.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 14, 2020 02:01 PM (1g7ch)

363 Not really. Japan was a modern civilization with a monarchical cult.

Afghan is and was a 12th century shithole.


The Nazis and Japs were evil savages entirely comparable to radical Islam. There's kind of a weird reverse of the noble savage myth going on with places like Afghanistan. These ignoble savages are given this kind of mythical status as undefeatable and irreformable. It's horseshit. You only have to look at photos from the Islamic world, including Afghanistan, from the 60s/70s timeframe to see that civilization is possible there. But to nation-build, you have to wage total war, achieve unconditional surrender, and then deprogram and root out the offending ideology (e.g., denazification; in this case deislamification). All that is doable in Afghanistan or anywhere else. It's just not politically possible in the world we currently live in. I want out of Afghanistan more than most (even if it means leaving with bad optics, don't give a shit). But the our failure there was a choice, not destiny.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at February 14, 2020 02:01 PM (ppBhU)

364 As was said above, the stupid fallacy that educated government types think is that people everywhere really want to be "like us". Well, like a lot of modern immigrants (especially the illegal kind) to the US, they want to have our stuff, but they don't want what we call our civilization. They want something meaner and more tribal to protect them (like a mafia don) to help them get them what they want, with the minimum effort.

...................

The whole middle east reminds me of the scene in The Godfather II, where Michael Corleone witnesses a rebel explode a grenade in his pocket and take out himself and a police captain with him.

When people are willing to kill themselves, you cannot have a "war" with them.

You cannot bend these people to your will.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 14, 2020 02:02 PM (so+oy)

365 1/ "Attorney General William P. Barr has assigned an outside prosecutor to scrutinize the criminal case against President Trump's former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn."

2/ Barr has also installed a handful of outside prosecutors to broadly review the handling of other politically sensitive national-security cases in the U.S. attorney's office in Washington.

3/ "Over the past two weeks, the outside prosecutors have begun grilling line prosecutors in the Washington office about various cases -- some public, some not -- including investigative steps, prosecutorial actions and why they took them."
Posted by: IrishEi at February



Which is interesting because it was the DC. office that made the decision about McCabe.

And the sentencing recommendation for Stone

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 02:02 PM (HALdu)

366 348 Y'all need to lighten up. It's Valentines Day after all! I've got just the thing, hang on...

*releases crateful of otters*
_______________

Aww, how sweet! There's no surprise anal like Valentine's Day surprise anal!

Posted by: Cap'n Billy, Ahoy! at February 14, 2020 02:02 PM (k4dH2)

367 Patience is a virtue, true. We are in the third year of a a four year term. There has been nothing but daily (virtual) assassination attempts.

It's time for the rats to be publicly put down.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 14, 2020 02:02 PM (wXw18)

368 Posted by: IrishEi at February 14, 2020 01:56 PM (sGotD)

/4 Barr has assigned a career DOJ civil service assistant to wake everybody when any one in the DOJ, FBI, or CIA sees actual jail time. Note that this job is assured to be a long term path to retirement with little demands on requests for personal time off!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 14, 2020 02:02 PM (BiNEL)

369 About time.

Posted by: Augustine at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (BDZWU)

370 @SteveGuest 15h
Pete Buttigieg tries and fails at speaking Spanish while addressing the LULAC presidential town hall in Las Vegas.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (ILS6+)

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Heh.

Pandering is bad. Doing it poorly is worse.



He took a semester of Spanish in high school, you know.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (Boy/L)

371 Barr will appoint Michael Avenatti as special prosecutor. Top. Men.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (JRaU+)

372 And goat football sucks, too.

Posted by: jsg at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (tdrVi)

373 Good Lord. McCabe taking a victory lap all over the news.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (ptqGC)

374 My son Jake became friends with his unit's Afghan regular who acted as an interpreter. He said you could almost believe the man was a normal guy until he started talking about what he would do to his wife if she dressed immodestly or talked back to him or some such thing. Jake described it as a kind of a casual barbarity.

Posted by: troyriser at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (E2EAq)

375 370 @SteveGuest 15h
Pete Buttigieg tries and fails at speaking Spanish while addressing the LULAC presidential town hall in Las Vegas.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (ILS6+)

==========

Heh.

Pandering is bad. Doing it poorly is worse.


He took a semester of Spanish in high school, you know.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (Boy/L)

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Better or worse than Jon Huntsman's education in Chinese?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (q80AH)

376 You need to look at who is on the AFG battlefield Zod. I can tell you it ain't just the Taliban. It's a lot. Ore and we'll leave it at that.

This is a place where you can hit a lot of bad people and keep them from popping up and trying to kill us elsewhere. It's actually more dangerous for our country than Iraq.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at February 14, 2020 02:04 PM (rLZe7)

377 If we are not willing to go all Curtis LeMay on their asses (and we're not, even after 9/11 which is now 20 years past), what is the better option than this?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at February 14, 2020 02:04 PM (87EdW)

378 And when Durham peters out like Huber, what's plan C?
Posted by: rickb223

If and when he does get back to me. As for me I will wait to see how things play out.
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Playing "what if" in today's environment is fruitless and mentally unhealthy. Pay more attention to the people who are part of your daily life, learn something new, take a walk with your dog. If you don't have a dog, get one. They are good listeners. If you're still overly concerned, inventory your ammo and make a tactical plan based on where you live.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...channeling my inner hillbilly at February 14, 2020 02:04 PM (Lp+bg)

379 Why do I have a feeling people will still be preaching about how we have to "be patient", and that "Justice will be done" in January 2025 or, heaven forbid, January 2021?

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 02:04 PM (77WPm)

380 McCabe's time will come. This is not over.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (vcOmj)


Agreed.

Posted by: DR.WTF at February 14, 2020 02:04 PM (aS1PU)

381 Aww, how sweet! There's no surprise anal like Valentine's Day surprise anal!
Posted by: Cap'n Billy, Ahoy! at February 14, 2020 02:02 PM (k4dH2)

Come to us, Cap'n Billy, we can make your surprise so much better!

Posted by: the barrell otters at February 14, 2020 02:04 PM (ONvIw)

382 345 jwest.. what happens in 2024? I think Trump wins this November. 2024 is gonna be a whole other deal. I'm sorry but most people are fucking stupid and some slick talker, Obama 2.0 will emerge and the people will be enamored with a new shiny object. But he/she will end up destroying us.
Posted by: jewells45 at February 14, 2020 01:58 PM (BLT3V)



Hopefully, Trump has learned his lesson and realizes that he's the fucking President and that the government is lousy with left wing traitors. He will spend the next 4 years cleaning out the bureaucracy, scattering the agencies across the country, and returning the rule of law to everyone.

Even if Obama 2.0 comes in, we'll have a generational majority in the judiciary and a better balanced executive branch.

Also, if the beating we're going to put on the democrats this November is as big as I hope, the left won't be able to regroup for a long time. This will come true if Trump pulls 20+% of the black vote.

Posted by: jwest at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (U6f/q)

383 Colon Powell would like a word. We broke it; we bought it.

Fuck him in particular.
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 14, 2020 01:57 PM (lBeMA)


I never trusted Powell. Ever.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (Yp/pV)

384 Pete Buttigieg tries and fails at speaking Spanish while addressing the LULAC presidential town hall in Las Vegas.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (ILS6+)

==========

Heh.

Pandering is bad. Doing it poorly is worse.


He took a semester of Spanish in high school, you know.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (Boy/L)

=========

Better or worse than Jon Huntsman's education in Chinese?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill

Hard to speak Spanish well with a dick in your mouth.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (vcOmj)

385 A nice fair and balanced article on Afghanistan.

https://tinyurl.com/t6bgled

Positive on Trump and with pictures.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (XzVUd)

386 When people are willing to kill themselves, you cannot have a "war" with them.

You cannot bend these people to your will.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 14, 2020 02:02 PM (so+oy)

Suicide bombers are puppets. It's possible to come to terms with their masters through various means. In the case of Afghanistan it means that sans genocide the most we should've aimed to do is pick some new Taliban leaders and have them change their logo.

King Herod wasn't a Roman after all(lots of client kings in the roman empire).

Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (YVvSQ)

387 So, McCabe walks.

The MSM will repot as follows:

When the DOJ fails to prosecute obviously guilty deep-staters: Justice Done, the system works!

When the President (eventually) pardons citizens railroaded into prision: Abuse of Power!

Posted by: Marge N. Overa at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (We5+z)

388 345 I think Trump wins this November. 2024 is gonna be a whole other deal. I'm sorry but most people are fucking stupid and some slick talker, Obama 2.0 will emerge and the people will be enamored with a new shiny object.

And if that slick-talker is up against Pence, I can't see Pence winning. I've been thinking about how Pence could be our Biden in 2024. Minus the sordid graft, but with all of the sleepiness.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (XN+hF)

389 >>> I agree 100% but PDT is in the White House and not FAB. And as I get older I have more patience, so I wait watch and listen. Which is better than running around screaming the sky is falling
Posted by: Nevergiveup

I get your point, but I used up all my patience on Obama's 8 years.

Posted by: 6to4to3 at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (Z/Q5q)

390 Good Lord. McCabe taking a victory lap all over the news.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 02:03 PM (ptqGC)

Expect 2+ days of this from McCabe, Brennan, Comey, Clapper, Lisa, etc.

The Spiking Of Footballs phase has arrived, replacing The Settling Of Scores.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (77WPm)

391 Off sock

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (We5+z)

392 Why do I have a feeling people will still be preaching about how we have to "be patient", and that "Justice will be done" in January 2025 or, heaven forbid, January 2021?
Posted by: DocJ at Februar


so you are recommending the set your hair afire approach based upon some partial information and what?

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 02:06 PM (HALdu)

393 Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at February 14, 2020 02:00 PM (BqBId)

Are you dsids

Posted by: ... at February 14, 2020 02:06 PM (AKzC2)

394 McCabe's time will come. This is not over.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at February 14, 2020 01:59 PM (vcOmj)


No (cackle) I will make him FBI Director!

Posted by: Hillary the cackliest at February 14, 2020 02:06 PM (ONvIw)

395 Colon Powell is a goddam disgrace.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at February 14, 2020 02:06 PM (XN+hF)

396 Whatever you do, don't listen to Mark Steyn subbing for Rush. His righteous anger at Barr et al had me screaming at the radio I was so furious at the state of affairs in our multi-tiered "justice" system.
Seriously, if you can find a replay it is excellent but close to stroke inducing!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 14, 2020 02:06 PM (BiNEL)

397 Tami, you have been a wealth of information over the past while and imo, if you are frustrated and need to blow off some steam, you go for it.
Showing annoyance is not a crime, yet.
Your posts are much appreciated.

Posted by: Alice McD at February 14, 2020 02:06 PM (E+yET)

398 Something not mentioned is that that region is the last place where polio is hanging on.

The fight against polio has not been going well, with vaccine created polio starting to ramp up meaning oral vaccine is not enough, and you have to start using the more difficult version.

And the afgan/paki scared goat regions full of radicals who are using the vaccine program to control the people and bully the West.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 14, 2020 02:07 PM (LWu6U)

399 161 Well now they can get back stone stoning women and beating people with sticks on the street at prayer time.

Posted by: torabora at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (Y274z)

Somebody somewhere is suffering. Welcome to Earth.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 14, 2020 02:07 PM (j3npP)

400 The argument that we're supposed to overlook McCabe's crimes as the price for catching larger fish later makes no sense to me. How does one thing relate to the other? I'd be happy to be educated.

The fact is, McCabe lied to investigators four times, three times under oath. Much less has convicted others.

This is patently unjust.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at February 14, 2020 02:07 PM (H8QX8)

401 Re the possibility of change:
I recently watched a video call Sheep Among Wolves. According to this video the Christian church is growing faster in Iran than anywhere else in the world.
Part of the reason is radical Imams have in effect destroyed Islam in that country.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 14, 2020 02:07 PM (Uu+Jp)

402 Aww, how sweet! There's no surprise anal like Valentine's Day surprise anal!
Posted by: Cap'n Billy, Ahoy! at February


Hey, these chocolates taste like rufies?

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 02:07 PM (HALdu)

403 so you are recommending the set your hair afire approach based upon some partial information and what?
Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 02:06 PM (HALdu)

I'm recommending that we accept the fact that we're not voting our way out of this and start acting accordingly.

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 02:07 PM (77WPm)

404 I left the Army in 2014 on the idea that deployments would become rare. Peacetime army is not for me.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 14, 2020 02:07 PM (2PWyM)

405 I get your point, but I used up all my patience on Obama's 8 years.
Posted by: 6to4to3 at February 14, 2020 02:05 PM (Z/Q5q)

The clock really started eleven effing years ago!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 14, 2020 02:08 PM (BiNEL)

406 nood

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at February 14, 2020 02:08 PM (q80AH)

407 1. Permanently Orbit Laser Targeting Satellite Over Afghanistan;

2. Bring All Troops Home;

3. Station Drones With Hellfire Missiles in Adjacent Country;

4. Kill Enemy Scumbags As Necessary.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 14, 2020 02:00 PM (Hn8E7)

Lasers have atmospheric refraction problems. You'd need an orbiting nuclear reactor to power one strong enough to do anything with all the attenuation and refraction at those distances.

The better orbital solution would be to send up the Space Force's X-37bs up with a cargo of tungsten rods.

All you have to do is drop them to cause hellacious damage

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at February 14, 2020 02:08 PM (J+mig)

408 397
Tami, you have been a wealth of information ...

Your posts are much appreciated.


+1

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at February 14, 2020 02:08 PM (XzVUd)

409 So much typing. So much deleting.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 14, 2020 02:08 PM (nQpdK)

410 Even if Obama 2.0 comes in, we'll have a generational majority in the judiciary and a better balanced executive branch.

Thank God for that.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 14, 2020 02:09 PM (BLT3V)

411 >>>Occupations, short term or long are not military action, and the armed forces can't do them. They don't have the doctrine or training. Just like they are not suited for running a preschool.


They actually do occupation quite well.
Martial law. Don't do this or you will be shot on sight...

It is when you put Stated Dept in charge of an occupation that shiite falls apart.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 14, 2020 02:09 PM (1g7ch)

412 so you are recommending the set your hair afire approach based upon some partial information and what?
Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 02:06 PM (HALdu)

I don't think anyone who is not bubbling forth with wish casting optimism is "setting their hair on fire". At this point, many are calmly stating that based on the past three years of "a thousand sealed indictments" and "soon", that we do not see any reason to stock up on champagne.

Posted by: CN at February 14, 2020 02:09 PM (ONvIw)

413 I think in reality Alexander wandered up to the border and shit over it. They were Helenized for something like 500 years...

Posted by: Burnt Toast


The book was a novelization (fictional) of Alexander's army. What actually happened there was not fictional.

Alexander's army got bogged down in trying to Hellenize what was Afghanistan, and started doing village to village butchery. In the end, most of the Macedonians didn't feel worthy to go back home after a lot of the atrocities they had committed in the name of "Hellenizing" Afghanistan (kind of like nation building). So his army marched on to India.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at February 14, 2020 02:09 PM (vcOmj)

414 nood McCabe

Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2020 02:09 PM (77WPm)

415 Regarding casualties, Americans are still willing to fight for its interests including being invaded. What we are less and less inclined to do is fight in distant places for idiotic utopian dreams of transforming barbaric countries for reasons of ideology. The people arguing that clap trap have soiled the nest due to recent history.

What has happened since WWII, is that every place during the Cold War became an "essential" war to stop the Commies. Thus, the meatgrinders in Korea and Vietnam. Arguably, Korea might have been a place to intervene as we were attacked directly by the Norks.

Vietnam and SE Asia was optional, Grenada, optional, Panama, optional, First Gulf War optional, Somalia optional, 2nd Gulf War optional. Initial destruction of Al Queda in Afghanistan and other nasty places due to 9/11, perfectly justified. Later attempts to turn it into a democracy, not so much.

History teaches us the conditions from wars that people are willing to accept vary by distance and ties to that place.

Notice despite the close ties with Great Britain in WWII and the awful Nazi regime just across the Channel, the U.S. did little more than give up what was not essential to U.S. defense at the time. We did not engage directly in war with the Nazis.

It took Hitler's mistake in declaring war on the U.S. to do so. Absent that, Roosevelt might have had great political difficulty in getting us to declare war on Germany and Italy.

Posted by: whig at February 14, 2020 02:10 PM (EUDB2)

416 I don't think anyone who is not bubbling forth with wish casting optimism is "setting their hair on fire". At this point, many are calmly stating that based on the past three years of "a thousand sealed indictments" and "soon", that we do not see any reason to stock up on champagne.
Posted by: CN at February


You seem to have skipped over the preceding 400 comments.

The info about McCabe is a few hours old, why not see what happens before lighting the hair.

Posted by: not so at February 14, 2020 02:10 PM (HALdu)

417 The real question on everyone's mind is what does McCain think about it?

Posted by: Flyguy



If he ever manages to pull the barbed cock of Satan out of his mouth, I am sure he will let us know.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 14, 2020 02:12 PM (60eDX)

418 Posted by: Alice McD at February 14, 2020 02:06 PM (E+yET)

Well said. Tami is a real asset here!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 14, 2020 02:13 PM (BiNEL)

419 You can't nation build unless the nation wants the rebuilding or all of the following:

1. You inflict total defeat and are prepared to stay there potentially generations to force cultural change
2. The country's culture is generally similar or is such that it can be directed towards your goals
3. It helps to have a serious existing external threat after the defeat to motivate a transition

People say--look at Japan and Germany. Well, look at them.

Germany was a western culture with significant historical, cultural and religious connections and while the culture favored a strong authority it had an established a democratic foundation to rebuild

Japan was a vastly different culture but it too had made notable western cultural inroads and was developing democratic foundations. Plus, it was an obedient society to where once the emperor got on board so did the people.

Plus--there was the Soviet threat.

Vietnamese peasants were supposed to fight for a corrupt, puppet government. The communist North promised the peasants something more (though reality would be far darker) plus independence and nationalism. I can't see how we could have "won" that war without a viable alternative to the South's corrupt govt. that might not have listened to our suggestions or demands. And that wasn't going to happen.

Afghanistan once had a developing westernized culture but tribalism and religious sectarianism, which never fully went away, came back to the point where a Jeffersonian democracy is something they are going to have to come up with on their own some day. Culturally, democracy and western ideals represent weakness.

Iraq. Take away the murderous dictator and secular Iraq reverts to tribalism and religious sectarianism. The new strongman seem to be Iran since we cant install our own Hussein to lock down the population.

The good news is that when we have to liberate Europe from their invited invaders down the road we should be able to nation build successfully again.





Posted by: Keith at February 14, 2020 02:14 PM (jdGlx)

420 Scythia is north of Afghanistan and typically was a horse people place. Typically Afghanistan has been part of some Persian empire, I'd have to check when this stopped being the case.
Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:52 PM (YVvSQ)

I've watched a few videos about the Scythians. I never had the impression their land became Afghanistan.
Afghanistan does not appear to be horse country.
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 14, 2020 01:58 PM (Uu+Jp)

The Afghan areas are hill country, and have always been handled similarly - you can plant a colony town here or there, and try and co-opt some local leaders to your empire but for the most part you kept hands off and left them alone, took some troops for your army. Every so often they might get a good leader to unite the tribes and break off to a mini empire of their own for some generations, and raid into Persia or India. Otherwise you put some forts on the exits from the region to cut down on bandit level raids and let them stew.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 14, 2020 02:24 PM (eoQWY)

421 Germany was a western culture with significant historical, cultural and religious connections and while the culture favored a strong authority it had an established a democratic foundation to rebuild

This is a baffling claim about Germany, which had almost no tradition of democracy and stunk at it completely. I mean, what do you have other than the Weimar Republic? Nazism was so repellant and such a deviation from Western standards of decency that Nazis remain the go-to bad guy reference more than 70 years after the Third Reich's defeat. This idea that Germany, which didn't even have a lengthy history as a unified country, historically speaking, was uniquely well-suited to nation building is ahistorical.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at February 14, 2020 02:27 PM (ppBhU)

422 Every Empire throughout history has found that long term occupation is an impossible and treasury breaking task. That's why the old model (Romans, etc) that Empires with the cultural will follow is always genocide followed by repopulation. But those are dirty words to our culture, so we don't allow ourselves to even think them, much less carry them out.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2020 01:23 PM (Kpl3J)

The Romans didn't use genocide to rule barbarian lands, tho they did do punitive raids. The two cities they did wipe out were Carthage in Tunisia and Corinth in Greece.

They tended to instead tie local leaders to accomodation with gifts and encouraged them to take up "civilized ways" and Romanize themselves.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 14, 2020 02:27 PM (eoQWY)

423 Barry took W's ROE and ramped it up to eleventy.

When our kid told us the Marines couldn't fire on the Taliban until they were fired on, I thought I'd have a rage stroke.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2020 01:30 PM (ptqGC)

Sounds like he was lucky - we have had worse ROE than that. Yes, banning firing even if fired upon.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 14, 2020 02:28 PM (eoQWY)

424 Germany was a western culture with significant historical, cultural and religious connections and while the culture favored a strong authority it had an established a democratic foundation to rebuild

This is a baffling claim about Germany, which had almost no tradition of democracy and stunk at it completely. I mean, what do you have other than the Weimar Republic? Nazism was so repellant and such a deviation from Western standards of decency that Nazis remain the go-to bad guy reference more than 70 years after the Third Reich's defeat. This idea that Germany, which didn't even have a lengthy history as a unified country, historically speaking, was uniquely well-suited to nation building is ahistorical.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at February 14, 2020 02:27 PM (ppBhU)

Yeah, Germany had a lot of culture, but democratic wasn't part of that. Petty princedoms and kingdoms. Heck, even Italy had more republics in their divided period.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 14, 2020 02:30 PM (eoQWY)

425 The problem is they are going to believe they won. they waited us out and got back control of their country. I doubt very much they will have learned any lesson. Not saying we should stay, but I suspect they'll go right back to doing what they always do - set up terrorist training camps, fund terrorism, etc.

Posted by: pantsomime at February 14, 2020 01:28 PM (ky+MF)

The Taliban doesn't really do international terrorism. We went into Afghanistan because OBL was hiding there.
Posted by: Someguy at February 14, 2020 01:31 PM (YVvSQ)

Why the hell do I care what some rag head in Afghanistan thinks about it? That's the neocon line, we need to be troubled about how we look.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 14, 2020 02:33 PM (eoQWY)

426 Creepy Porn Lawyer Avenatti has been found guilty on all charges in the Nike shake-down case in federal court in Manhattan. Faces a sentence of up to 42 years.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 14, 2020 03:08 PM (k4dH2)

427 I have had the unique experience of being French kissed twice by a drunk, former Russian soldier who was blinded in that shithole Afghanistan. I met him at a couple parties in russia in the late 90s. He got me once, but for the life of me I don't know how it happened the second time.

Posted by: Donald Trump's Haircut at February 14, 2020 03:21 PM (fs7Ew)

428 Afghanistan should have been converted to a parking lot 19 years ago. Problem, solution.

Posted by: Chris W at February 14, 2020 03:29 PM (4GUBG)

429 "When policemen break the law there isn't any law, just a fight for survival." Billy Jack
A two-tiered justice system cannot, MUST NOT, stand.

Posted by: Shelgel at February 14, 2020 04:05 PM (moCAp)

430 Sick and tired of this stuff. Either start putting these people in jail, or im gonna stop paying taxes.

Posted by: NYCCONSERVATIVE at February 14, 2020 04:31 PM (iLPhI)

431 There are kids enlisting today who weren't even born when 9-11 happened. I hate that the ROE have mostly been shit and we were never"in it to win it" but damn, 18 years? Fuck that shithole already. We're losing more guys to "friendly" Afghans shooting our guys in the back it seems at this point.

Posted by: Daniel J Kunkle at February 14, 2020 06:43 PM (bkqDH)

432 If the war aims were turning Afghanistan into Belgium, then our war aims failed. There was a way to win, but it would have required a brutality that neither Bush nor Obama nor Trump were willing to contemplate and that the Left and the Media would never have supported, not even under Obama. The US could have taken control over the production of opium poppies and doled out concessions to various tribal chieftains. So long as they remained loyal to US interests by shutting out the Taliban, they could do whatever they wanted. If one stepped out of line, the US would have to kill the warlord/ druglord and his entire immediate circle in the most public and ferocious fashion imaginable, and I'm talking about all his children and wives and siblings. Otherwise, they could kill their enemies with impunity, pursue their benighted tribal traditions and barbaric religion, engage in pederasty and subjugate women, all without interference.

Posted by: Nikola's Notion at February 15, 2020 07:53 AM (hrHLc)

433 It never should have been a war.We never should have nation built.We should have gone after Bin laden like stink on Manure.We killed Bin Laden and knocked Al queado out.The mission was done that means the war was won the minute Osama hit the bottom of the sea.It's done, I say we just pick up everything of ours we value and disappear so fast there is an audible pop when we leave.If we have to go back we use cruise missiles and drones.

Posted by: obsidian at February 15, 2020 02:05 PM (7+yqP)

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