The Centennial of Both Prohibition and Suffrage (And the Correlation Between the Two)<br>[BUCK THROCKMORTON]

The Centennial of Both Prohibition and Suffrage (And the Correlation Between the Two)
[BUCK THROCKMORTON]

One hundred years ago, in 1920, two major events in America’s history occurred.

1) Prohibition took effect. The 18th Amendment (passed in 1919 but not
implemented until the Volstead Act in 1920) banned the manufacture and
sale of alcohol.

2) The 19th Amendment (passed in 1920) mandated universal suffrage within
the United States.

It is trendy to mock our country for the puritan futility of prohibition, and for the backwardness of women being denied the vote as recently as 100 years ago. Among all the snark and mockery from modern Americans, however, a critical point is being forgotten – prohibition and suffrage went hand in hand. Prohibition could have been avoided if women had continued to be denied the voting franchise as the 1900s commenced. How many progressive young Americans would forsake their IPAs and craft liquors and go completely dry to end a civil wrong? That is what American men did a century ago.

To be clear, the 18th Amendment (Prohibition) was passed before the 19th Amendment (Suffrage), but the 19th Amendment formalized the wave of suffrage victories rolling across the nation. Starting with Wyoming, several states already allowed women the right to vote in the late 19th century, then in the early 20th century it became a cascade: Washington in 1910; California in 1911; Oklahoma, Arizona, and Kansas in 1912; Montana and Nevada in 1914, etc.

Although suffrage was the great civil rights issue of the day, the most powerful women’s political movement of the era was temperance. Carrie Nation and her hostaet became the symbol of the temperance movement, while concurrently the Anti-Saloon League gained immense political power. The leader of the Anti-Saloon League was Susan B. Anthony, who later gained additional fame as the first American woman on a US coin for her work on behalf of woman’s suffrage. But she was also a passionate prohibitionist, and her work on behalf of suffrage was for the purpose of advancing the cause of prohibition. She is quoted as saying, “The only hope of the Anti-Saloon League’s success lies in putting the ballot into the hands of women.”

One example - after Arizona extended women the right to vote in 1912, it was followed by a referendum to ban the sale of alcohol in 1914. That referendum passed and Arizona went dry on January 1, 1915 – a full 5 years before the nation as a whole went dry. By giving women the vote, Arizona had made it inevitable that the sale of alcohol would be banned. And this was playing out in states and municipalities across the country.

To put the issue into modern context, what if prohibition had been the price for getting gay marriage legalized? Or let’s look forward – would today’s progressives trade prohibition for universal health care? Heck – a left-wing argument could even be made that having a nanny-state government ban alcohol would reduce medical expenses, helping to pay for their universal health care.

I’m not defending prohibition and I’m most certainly not arguing that women should have been denied the vote, but I am arguing that it was complicated, and those who want to mock America for dragging its feet in granting universal suffrage, while also mocking America for the puritan silliness of Prohibition, should know the correlation between the two.

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1 Big mistakes in retrospect.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 05:47 PM (HbpNu)

2 Is it 5 o'clock somewhere?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2020 05:48 PM (c1cRg)

3 And America has trended left ever since we gave women the vote.

Posted by: SkylerKat at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (SXIn9)

4 Suffragettin' succotash!!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (m45I2)

5 I so look forward to 300 posts telling us that women shouldn't have gotten the vote, because of course men never make stupid voting choices.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (WI7YS)

6 Whew!
That last thread was ripening like a middle school gym locker

Posted by: Heirloominati at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (BwQXu)

7 Top 10 anyway

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (ZCEU2)

8 Prohibition be very, very good to me.

Posted by: Organized Crime at January 21, 2020 05:51 PM (l3+k2)

9 Well, this should be fun.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2020 05:51 PM (2PXwn)

10 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 21, 2020 05:51 PM (arJlL)

11 Thinking.......

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 05:51 PM (ZCEU2)

12 I so look forward to 300 posts telling us that women shouldn't have gotten the vote, because of course men never make stupid voting choices.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (WI7YS)
--------------------

Well, men did give women the vote....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 21, 2020 05:52 PM (oBfF8)

13 I've noticed that people who look at the history seem almost embarrased to mention the true reason that Prohibition ended so suddenly, which was state revenue.

In the 20's it didn't seem like such a big loss - and when the Depression came in, State revenues collapsed. State legislatures got desperate - the entire State of Arkansas even went bankrupt in 1933. Here was this nice big pot of money, taxes on Legal Booze, just sitting there waiting to be picked up. That's why they all jumped at the chance to undo it so quickly in '32 - '33.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 05:52 PM (Kpl3J)

14 I think I will wait, till it turns into a movie or boobs thread.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 05:52 PM (O3+/S)

15 Added bonus: Betty White was born just after this.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at January 21, 2020 05:52 PM (xptlg)

16 Giving women the vote was the biggest mistake this country ever made.

Posted by: Chad at January 21, 2020 05:52 PM (YVYlp)

17
Reading content is for chumps!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 21, 2020 05:53 PM (pNxlR)

18 FenelonSpoke

Not from me. My highly informed vote is cancelled by the dead, illegals, and vote harvesting by Google.

Is your son OK. And FenelonSpouse's car?

Maybe you need vehicular weaponry. The three surviving drivers in NJ would be awfully polite.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 05:53 PM (u82oZ)

19 No boobies and No Beer makes Homer something, something.

Posted by: DaveA at January 21, 2020 05:54 PM (FhXTo)

20 17
Reading content is for chumps!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 21, 2020 05:53 PM (pNxlR)

Or chimps.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 05:54 PM (O3+/S)

21 Why the shit stirring post?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at January 21, 2020 05:54 PM (fmexF)

22
I've got a better compromise. I'll keep drinking and wine moms lose their right to vote. I'm feeling generous. Their beta male husbands can't vote either

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 21, 2020 05:54 PM (kw5n8)

23 The Women's Temperance League never did field a decent baseball team.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 21, 2020 05:54 PM (m45I2)

24 And queing up the 'two bad ideas' jokes in 3...2...1...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 21, 2020 05:54 PM (l4C/z)

25 Howdy, Buck.

Posted by: m at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (Ne1i4)

26 One hundred years ago, in 1920, two major events in America's history occurred.

Pelosi's first divorce and the Dems started impeaching Trump.

Posted by: deplorable unperson at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (gPk/0)

27 But Susan B. Anthony did inspire the oft-cited Abbott and Costello comedy routine "Suze On First"

Posted by: Muldoon at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (m45I2)

28

Suffrage.

America's Boner.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (KkUff)

29 And 12 years later a socialist was elected President.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (nu45M)

30 15 So was RBG, well maybe before even.

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (ZCEU2)

31 I'll argue it bigly - giving in to the suffrage movement was one of the Too Ten American Fuck Ups. Maybe Top Five.

Posted by: Shit Happens at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (E8rzL)

32 ULawt year UT Austin had a great interactive display about the connectioj between suffrage and temperance. It also showed the nasty policical maneuvering and fraud that went on to get women the right to vote. The dems were assholes and frauds then too. I was meaning to read more about it so now I will

Posted by: LASue at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (Ed8Zd)

33 23 The Women's Temperance League never did field a decent baseball team.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 21, 2020 05:54 PM (m45I2)

Damned hoop skirts. Made base stealing and the double play problematic.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (O3+/S)

34 Here's an interesting question: If it's true that women as a group tend to vote more left-leaning than men (not saying it's always true, just some have suggested it's generally the case), how many conservative women, including women here on the blog, would back repealing the 19th Amendment, meaning their own disenfranchisement, if it would shift the electorate to the right?

Not that it'll ever happen; I'm just curious if any would.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2020 05:56 PM (2PXwn)

35 Ill drink a beer to a pair of bad ideas.

Posted by: henry at January 21, 2020 05:56 PM (J3Rfi)

36 And in 1913?

Income tax, AND Federal Reserve Bank.

Most don't know that your Tax withholding actually does not go to the government, it goes straight into an account with the Federal Res Bank.

So the fruits of your labor, go to a PRIVATELY Owned institution (its stock is held by banks, which in turn are privately owned).

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (NgKpN)

37 31
I'll argue it bigly - giving in to the suffrage movement was one of the Too Ten American Fuck Ups. Maybe Top Five.

Posted by: Shit Happens at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (E8rzL)

Some are more equal than others. And boobs.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (1CjJc)

38 They were absolutely connected. Women wanted voting power so they could push their men to bring home the paychecks, not drain family funds away at the bar.

Posted by: vrf at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (L8qt4)

39 And, as much as I dislike Prohibition, it DID dramatically change the way Americans consumed booze.

Prior to it, going to work drunk was unremarkable. Once guys had to hide it, drinking became more glamorous but, for a while, also more risky.

After repeal, the rate of consumption dropped way down.

Progressives, how do they work?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (l4C/z)

40
We're too deep into the Age of Soibois for repealing women's right to vote to have any positive outcome.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (pNxlR)

41 I so look forward to 300 posts telling us that women shouldn't have gotten the vote, because of course men never make stupid voting choices.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (WI7YS)

See? She gets it!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (9X624)

42 24 And queing up the 'two bad ideas' jokes in 3...2...1...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 21, 2020 05:54 PM (l4C/z)

*psst* See the very first comment.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (NWiLs)

43 Zombie Joe Kennedy begs to differ about gangsters.
I did it all the traditional way. By buying politicians and pimping.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (Tt761)

44 Both Temperance and Women's Suffrage grew out of the original Progressive movement, of which Teddy Roosevelt was the greatest proponent. It was a profound belief that We Can Make Society Better, and Government was the tool by which to accomplish this. It also swept in Income Tax, because the Government needed new revenue to do all these wonderful things, and it brought in things like Direct Election of Senators.

Progressives today are the insane half breed descendants of the old bunch.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (Kpl3J)

45 What's especially weird is seeing the FBI seemingly celebrating the explosion of organized crime that followed in the wake of Prohibition.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (jW9oF)

46 38 They were absolutely connected. Women wanted voting power so they could push their men to bring home the paychecks, not drain family funds away at the bar.
Posted by: vrf at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (L8qt4)

So, typical Irish family drama.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 05:58 PM (O3+/S)

47 The genie is not going back in the bottle, gents, unless you're advocating we become like a country that doesn't give the vote like Muslim ones.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:59 PM (WI7YS)

48 I'd argue that women should be denied the vote, purely on empirical evidence

it may be more fair to say "self-sufficient citizens" or "citizens of property" or something along those lines rather than cutting out an entire sex, but hell. i'd happily give up the franchise to prevent women as a whole from voting.

matriarchies SUCK

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 21, 2020 05:59 PM (Rarvo)

49 Damned hoop skirts. Made base stealing and the double play problematic.

And signalling? Forget that unless you're wearing a bustle.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 21, 2020 05:59 PM (HaL55)

50 42 24 And queing up the 'two bad ideas' jokes in 3...2...1...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 21, 2020 05:54 PM (l4C/z)

*psst* See the very first comment.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 05:57 PM (NWiLs)

You beat me to it! You magnificent bastard!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 21, 2020 05:59 PM (l4C/z)

51 Women can vote twice if they show their boobs.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at January 21, 2020 05:59 PM (CLteG)

52 Cocktails became popular in the 20's because most of the bootleg liquor tasted so bad. It had to be dressed up with a lot of add-on's.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 05:59 PM (Kpl3J)

53
1920 - Women Get the vote

2020 - Star Wars dies

Coincidence?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 21, 2020 05:59 PM (9X624)

54 Here's an interesting question: If it's true that women as a group tend to vote more left-leaning than men (not saying it's always true, just some have suggested it's generally the case), how many conservative women, including women here on the blog, would back repealing the 19th Amendment, meaning their own disenfranchisement, if it would shift the electorate to the right?

Not that it'll ever happen; I'm just curious if any would.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2020 05:56 PM (2PXwn)

nope

Posted by: LASue at January 21, 2020 05:59 PM (Ed8Zd)

55 The worst tyrants are the tyrants that think they are doing good or helping people.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at January 21, 2020 06:00 PM (pw+jk)

56 The correlation between men drinking and women has a long history.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2020 06:00 PM (r+sAi)

57 Not that it'll ever happen; I'm just curious if any would.

I definitely would

I can do math

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 21, 2020 06:00 PM (Rarvo)

58 If not for prohibition, I would not be here. My grandfather met his 2nd wife in a speakeasy in1924. He was 32, she 18. His first wife died in 1918. Read a fascinating book on prohibition which basically said that a lot of the drinking pre prohibition was done in the home, prohibition changed all that, so here I am. I'm sure grampa did a little friggin in da rigging before marriage also. A little added bonus.

Posted by: Peter Crane at January 21, 2020 06:00 PM (CPY5U)

59 Black woman needs to learn how to read

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:01 PM (rpxSz)

60 The temperance movement's origins lie with the industrial revolution, especially the second industrial revolution about 60 years prior. When you have small agrarian communities, the town drunk, occasional raucous drinking binge, and walking behind a plow while sloshed are less of an issue. When people migrated to the cities these issues were amplified. A single drunk in a small town can be handled, but when you start collecting them together the problems grow exponentially. When workers are spending their lunches at the bar, or at the saloons every night, it creates safety issues and social upheaval.

IIRC, the temperance movement started as just that, moderation. They didn't want to ban alcohol, just convince men to stop drinking away their paychecks or themselves into an early grave. And women were the ones who often were hurt by those behaviors, so they were the ones who pushed vigorously for it.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 21, 2020 06:01 PM (wCmLp)

61 The thread could go the hootch direction.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at January 21, 2020 06:01 PM (0OmEj)

62 Progressivism all too often morphs into Utopianism. About then is when the killin' starts.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:01 PM (O3+/S)

63
Molly Hatchett? - a limerick

Due to perpetual inebriation
And alcohol-fueled celebration
Lizzy Borden took her ax
Gave the barman forty whacks
Oops, my mistake! That was Carrie Nation!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 21, 2020 06:01 PM (m45I2)

64 Male only voting made sense if you consider it as a "One Vote per Family" rule. It was for a society which was constructed all around the Family Unit, and free agents (unconnected singles) were rather rare. For a predominantly agricultural and rural society, this made a lot of sense.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:01 PM (Kpl3J)

65 Jet! Whoooohoooohooooohooooo!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (Vy7tf)

66 Bathtub gin, those were the days...and no government agency to test the concoction to see if it meets government standards.

Posted by: Colin at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (1BIQV)

67 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (Zz0t1)

68 LOL
Muldoon

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (l4C/z)

69 My God this is boring.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (dKiJG)

70 What does alex think, is what I'm waiting for.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (O3+/S)

71 SPONGE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Captain Obvious at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (jW9oF)

72 Removing women's right to vote is extreme. Of course women should have the right to vote.

As long as the husband approves.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (nu45M)

73 But does it affect their ability to make me a sammitch?

Posted by: Sponge at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (Zz0t1)

74 If not for prohibition, I would not be here.

lol ok well if not for Mussolini I wouldn't either!

really one could even credit a certain Austrian...

regardless. Prohibition was a typical female-brained scheme. was always fated to fail and make everyone miserable, and the women behind it were never held to account by history, either.

the numbers are simple - Moron Women are vastly outnumbered by "moron women." Take my vote, please!!! as long as you also disenfranchise the 400 Karens for every Me.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (Rarvo)

75 This black woman talking is terrible. What a yawner. One hour of this nonsense?

This is cruel and unusual punishment for the American People.

Posted by: unusual at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (UPTnH)

76 Monmouth poll out shows the public now supports impeachment and removal by a 49/47 margin.

No Monmouth poll over the last two years showed plurality support before this one.

Schiff is winning.

Posted by: ggreg at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (045k4)

77 all right, have meeting. See folks later.

Yes, I will be drinking later.

Mmm, Buffalo Trace...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (l4C/z)

78 SPONGE!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Captain Obvious at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (jW9oF)

Boom goes the dynamite.

Posted by: Sponge at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (Zz0t1)

79
Before Suffrage and Prohibition, or whenever....

I'm the last person to watch silent movies, Charlie Chaplin, or any of that old crap.

But I did watch this 1918 Buster Keaton/Fatty Arbuckle clip and found it interesting and somewhat enjoyable for a few reasons:

1. It's a veritable Time Capsule! I'm watching a slice of history from 102 years ago. Fascinating, I think.

2. Check out all the skin the ladies were showing. I can clearly see their teats! Teats from 1918, how cool is that!

3. The quality of the film is amazing.

4. Keaton and Arbuckle and the Dog were amazing, I admit this. Lots of talent, here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaixGV78hdI

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (KkUff)

80 I so look forward to 300 posts telling us that women shouldn't have gotten the vote, because of course men never make stupid voting choices.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (WI7YS)

A bit defensive are we?

Posted by: Just the facts! at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (NAbCm)

81 nope, my vote cancels out one soiboy or feminazi vote.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (2U25q)

82 For the record, if the 19th Amendment *was* a bad idea, it's not like we started declining only at that point. 16 and 17 were already in place, after all.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2020 06:04 PM (2PXwn)

83 So was RBG, well maybe before even.
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 05:55 PM (ZCEU2)

The Never Die.

Posted by: LASue at January 21, 2020 06:04 PM (Ed8Zd)

84 Very sound post, interesting yet informative.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 21, 2020 06:04 PM (4e+hS)

85 * opens bag of deer jerky *

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:04 PM (gQ1nd)

86 I am old enough to know I neednt comment on the vast improvements to society and everyday life sufferage has wrought.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 21, 2020 06:04 PM (sox4v)

87 Muldoon

Bravo!

Carrie Nation is a tourist industry in Kansas. I should see if there is a combined Carrie Nation Pub Crawl and Axe Throwing Contest.

Would that make a good KSMoMeet?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:04 PM (u82oZ)

88 Schiff is winning.
Posted by: ggreg at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (045k4)

why not talk about something you know about

losing

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:04 PM (rpxSz)

89 'm sure grampa did a little friggin in da rigging before marriage also.

*psst*
Rigging is a nautical term. Naval ships were all men. If anyone was "frigging in the rigging" it was dudes sexxing other dudes.

Just look at the Sex Pistols lyrics you're partially quoting. All gay sex.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 21, 2020 06:05 PM (9t0Zz)

90 We might have rescinded the wrong one.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2020 06:05 PM (ZP/MT)

91 Bathtub gin, those were the days...and no government agency to test the concoction to see if it meets government standards.
Posted by: Colin at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (1BIQV)

My Grandpa had to have his Stomach pumped when he got some bad Hooch. His shipmate, told us the Story at his Funeral.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at January 21, 2020 06:05 PM (dKiJG)

92 Why did that laundry detergent amendment die, anyway?

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:05 PM (O3+/S)

93
In 1920 women got the goat.

That's why we have a nanny state.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 21, 2020 06:05 PM (9X624)

94 89 'm sure grampa did a little friggin in da rigging before marriage also.

*psst*
Rigging is a nautical term. Naval ships were all men. If anyone was "frigging in the rigging" it was dudes sexxing other dudes.

Just look at the Sex Pistols lyrics you're partially quoting. All gay sex.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 21, 2020 06:05 PM (9t0Zz)

To be fair, there was fuck-all else to do.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:05 PM (NWiLs)

95 I always thought suffrage was a strange word for a civil right. Strikes me as strange every time.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2020 06:06 PM (r+sAi)

96 Posted by: ggreg at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (045k4)

Uh, we're a little busy here, ggreg, if you and your blow-up doll don't mind.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2020 06:06 PM (2PXwn)

97 It's funny when you think about it. 3/5ths a person got the vote 60 years before women.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:06 PM (gQ1nd)

98 As a female, I know many, many bleeding heart females. So yeah, keep women from voting. And gay men, who are defacto women. Just too emotional to vote and make logical decisions.

/btw, it's not all women just.. most of us unfortunately.

Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at January 21, 2020 06:06 PM (gauLa)

99 Does someone know how "Open Blogger" works? Do certain trusted contributors who post irregularly share a user ID and password for a single "Open Blogger" account? Or does a would-be contributor send a post to Ace which, if he likes it, he then posts to the website?

Posted by: The Duncan at January 21, 2020 06:06 PM (ZO8SI)

100 >>* opens bag of deer jerky *

You are too nice to those deer.

Posted by: Deer Fucking Monkey at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (ZP/MT)

101 Is it called a speakeasy because alcohol will loosen your tongue? If not, it should be.

Emerson Boozers - a limerick

My speech has become loud and bodacious
And my vocal ticks quite ostentatious
This gol-durned speakeasy
Is making me queasy
And at the same time highly loquacious

Posted by: Muldoon at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (m45I2)

102 Bathtub gin, those were the days...and no government agency to test the concoction to see if it meets government standards.
Posted by: Colin at January 21, 2020 06:02 PM (1BIQV)

Today they would call it artisanal spirits.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (nu45M)

103 So, this is a post about Red Dead Redemption II where you can grab that woman protesting for women's rights and feed her to the alligator?

Posted by: Sponge at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (Zz0t1)

104 What's Schitt winning Greggums?

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (BqBId)

105 97 It's funny when you think about it. 3/5ths a person got the vote 60 years before women.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:06 PM (gQ1nd)

A bottle of booze is a fifth of a gallon. Coincidence? Me thinks not.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (Vy7tf)

106 ...and I'm most certainly not arguing that women should have been denied the vote...

----

Because that's what I've come here to do.

Giving women the vote was another body blow to marriage and the family.

Posted by: RKae at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (zuo55)

107 Craft Gin.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (O3+/S)

108 23 The Women's Temperance League never did field a decent baseball team.
Posted by: Muldoon
___________

True, but Susan B. Anthony was a women's suffrage champion.

Didn't she end up beating Bobby Riggs in a suffrage match at the Astrodome back in the '70s?

Posted by: Furious George at January 21, 2020 06:08 PM (9vQJW)

109 No Monmouth poll over the last two years showed plurality support before this one.

Schiff is winning.
Posted by: ggreg at January 21, 2020 06:03 PM (045k4)

Polls are for strippers, gerg.

Posted by: Sponge at January 21, 2020 06:08 PM (Zz0t1)

110 >>>>and I'm most certainly not arguing that women should have been denied the vote

BUCK THROCKMORTON has lost his edge from the early days

Posted by: x at January 21, 2020 06:08 PM (nFwvY)

111
If it weren't for prohibition, we'd never have Bo and Luke and Daisy.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at January 21, 2020 06:08 PM (KkUff)

112 82 For the record, if the 19th Amendment *was* a bad idea, it's not like we started declining only at that point. 16 and 17 were already in place, after all.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2020 06:04 PM (2PXwn)

Yeah, they fundamentally changed a lot of the way the country worked, in about 20 years.

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:08 PM (NgKpN)

113 My wife is largely apolitical, but she is very cynical about female politicians, in either party.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Purveyor of Locally Sourced artisinal Hogwash at January 21, 2020 06:08 PM (xPJvm)

114 Aboard the good ship Venus
By Christ ya should've seen us
The figurehead was a whore in bed
And the mast was a mammoth penis

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:08 PM (NWiLs)

115 They were both about righting wrongs. How can you not care about the families destroyed by strong drink? You monster!

For women at the time it was a legitimate tragedy because *at the time* you couldn't just divorce the bum.

Women's legal and civic equality changed that *too*. Slowly. Over time.

And now our families are destroyed by divorce. And also strong drink.

:/

Posted by: Synova at January 21, 2020 06:08 PM (BD/yx)

116
Because that's what I've come here to do.

Giving women the vote was another body blow to marriage and the family.

Posted by: RKae at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (zuo55)

Or, it was a recognition that society had irrevocably changed, and there was no going back to what once was.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:08 PM (Kpl3J)

117 If it meant the end of stupid, I would yield my vote. If.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (lwiT4)

118 The thing about the 18th Amendment is that it shows two things.

The first is that Americans could be persuaded to give up fucking booze to make America better. Think about that.

The second thing is that there was enough respect for the Constitution even then that they knew it had to be done by Amendment and not judges and ignoring laws.

If Americans could be convinced to give up booze then why not guns?

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (HALdu)

119 Shows you what fucktards these people like gerggles are...

Nobody wins in this fucked up scenario.

The country suffers because the Democrats are a bunch of spoiled children who only know they want their way.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (ZP/MT)

120 how many conservative women, including women here on the blog, would back repealing the 19th Amendment, meaning their own disenfranchisement, if it would shift the electorate to the right?

Not that it'll ever happen; I'm just curious if any would.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2020 05:56 PM (2PXwn)

I guess it's safe to do so now, since I have converted my husband to the Right.

Posted by: Emmie at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (87gB3)

121 104 What's Schitt winning Greggums?
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (BqBId)

cause he's ahead of gregpegged gulping hangdown in the gloryhole

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (rpxSz)

122 I'd argue the earlier amendment to elect Senators by popular vote instead of by the state legislatures is part of the same tapestry of unintended consequences, including the likes of McCain, Collins, and Senator Hillary.

Posted by: Born Free at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (62c2L)

123 True, but Susan B. Anthony was a women's suffrage champion.

Two bits acting like a dollar.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (Vy7tf)

124 I hope, someday, we end women's suffrage once and for all, we owe it to them.

#StopTheBeatings

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 21, 2020 06:10 PM (4e+hS)

125 Buck Throckmorton stole my childhood.

Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at January 21, 2020 06:10 PM (EgshT)

126 103 So, this is a post about Red Dead Redemption II where you can grab that woman protesting for women's rights and feed her to the alligator?
Posted by: Sponge at January 21, 2020 06:07 PM (Zz0t1)

I grabbed her and dragged her to the Clan meeting.

Then, dynamite!

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:10 PM (NgKpN)

127 This might be unpopular, but the argument for repealing Prohibition is the same as the argument for legalizing marijuana.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:10 PM (Kpl3J)

128 118
It was repealed because Americans DID NOT give up booze. All it accomplished was making mobsters rich.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 21, 2020 06:11 PM (sox4v)

129 123 True, but Susan B. Anthony was a women's suffrage champion.

Two bits acting like a dollar.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (Vy7tf)

At least she was not a filthy racist eugenicist, like Margaret Sanger.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:11 PM (O3+/S)

130 127 This might be unpopular, but the argument for repealing Prohibition is the same as the argument for legalizing marijuana.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:10 PM (Kpl3J)

The War on Drugs has done even more damage than the War on Booze.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:11 PM (NWiLs)

131 emmie

Belated Happy Birthday.

Those responsible for my delay have been sacked.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (u82oZ)

132 122 I'd argue the earlier amendment to elect Senators by popular vote instead of by the state legislatures is part of the same tapestry of unintended consequences, including the likes of McCain, Collins, and Senator Hillary.
Posted by: Born Free at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (62c2L)

Yup, personally I think Senators should be the direct representatives of the States, with one Senator working for their Legislature, and one for that States Governor.

Would have killed a LOT of Federal Power grabs over the last century.

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (NgKpN)

133 The other thing that these amendments show, which is also overlooked by historians, is that the 21st Amendment was passed is because the newly empowered feminists would not shut up and booze was the nonviolent way to deal with them.

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (HALdu)

134 I should see if there is a combined Carrie Nation Pub Crawl and Axe Throwing Contest.

*******

That has real potential.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (m45I2)

135 When he ran Japan as a dictator, MacArthur made sure to give women the vote to pacify the country

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (LMXg7)

136 /btw, it's not all women just.. most of us unfortunately.
Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at January 21, 2020 06:06 PM (gauLa)

I'm not even sure if it's most. From the voting pattern studies I've seen, the worst offenders are single women. Married women show much more balanced voting IIRC, at least on the national level.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (nu45M)

137
The War on Drugs has done even more damage than the War on Booze.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January

yes

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (HALdu)

138
suffrage
windage

cleavage
voltage
boobage
appendage
bandage

Posted by: deplorable unperson at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (gPk/0)

139 Ggerg, I promise I won't come in your Monmouth.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (oVJmc)

140 122 I'd argue the earlier amendment to elect Senators by popular vote instead of by the state legislatures is part of the same tapestry of unintended consequences, including the likes of McCain, Collins, and Senator Hillary.
Posted by: Born Free at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (62c2L)

The best argument in favor of electing Senators directly is that in the old days, Senators were very widely seen as being even more corrupt than they are now.

It may be the sad condition that the Senate is always going to be corrupt no matter how we select them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:13 PM (Kpl3J)

141 Schitts just said "he's not cumming"

gregpegged hardest hit

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:13 PM (rpxSz)

142 Levin - The evidence is overwhelming so why do they need more evidence?

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 06:13 PM (ZCEU2)

143 Total aside. GunSmoke is totally historically wrong, Miss Kitty could not have owned a saloon, as women were not allowed in saloons, she could have only had a 'Cheyenne social club' business. But back in black and white TV era, before feminism was at all a thing there is this TV series with a damned strong independent female character, who didn't have to be able to outfight male outlaws to portray a strong woman.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at January 21, 2020 06:13 PM (eASYU)

144 I grabbed her and dragged her to the Clan meeting.

Then, dynamite!
Posted by: Don Q

---

Anyone ever seen "Storm Warning"?

Ronald Reagan, Doris Day, Ginger Rogers in a... dark, disturbing film about the KKK and wife beating.

Ginger gets abducted to a Klan meeting where they take a bullwhip to her! Yikes!

Trivia: (Spoiler!) Only movie where Doris Day played a character who died! (Her abusive husband shoots her in the stomach.)

I keep dragging people to my house to watch it.

Posted by: RKae at January 21, 2020 06:14 PM (zuo55)

145 suffrage
windage

cleavage
voltage
boobage
appendage
bandage

Posted by: deplorable unperson at January

TITS!

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:14 PM (HALdu)

146 Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:09 PM (HALdu)

I find it interesting that it took a Constitutional Amendment to ban booze.

But only a simple Federal Law to ban pot and other drugs?

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:14 PM (NgKpN)

147 I'm with grammy. If the stupid would stop, sure.

But the stupid wouldn't stop any more than drinking stopped with prohibition.

Posted by: Synova at January 21, 2020 06:14 PM (BD/yx)

148 I feel that women have suffraged enough...

Posted by: Hawkpilot at January 21, 2020 06:14 PM (aGp+D)

149 Interesting. This thread has not generated the pissiness that I thought it would.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:14 PM (O3+/S)

150 "85 * opens bag of deer jerky *"
*****************
I'm eating my smoked deer keilbasa.

Posted by: Cosda at January 21, 2020 06:15 PM (tqZnF)

151 I find it interesting that it took a Constitutional Amendment to ban booze.

But only a simple Federal Law to ban pot and other drugs?
Posted by: Don Q at January

Yeah.

You know, laws vs men and that

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:15 PM (HALdu)

152 paleRider is simply irredeemable

Pioneer women in general were tough. Thrive or die.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:15 PM (u82oZ)

153 Schitts is really grasping at any cock he can find

he's losing it

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:15 PM (rpxSz)

154 Interesting. This thread has not generated the pissiness that I thought it would.

Depends...

Posted by: deplorable unperson at January 21, 2020 06:15 PM (gPk/0)

155 Those responsible for my delay have been sacked.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (u82oZ)

I now absolve you of all tardiness.

{{{hugs}}}

Posted by: Emmie at January 21, 2020 06:16 PM (87gB3)

156 This.

The thing about this particular instance, at least they did not have a huge amount of perspective to draw on.

Modern desire to ban all the things do not have this same excuse.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 21, 2020 06:16 PM (2B9A/)

157 145 suffrage
windage

cleavage
voltage
boobage
appendage
bandage
Posted by: deplorable unperson at January

TITS!
Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:14 PM (HALdu)

Decollatage, you barbarian.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:16 PM (Kpl3J)

158 I am am very much in favor of women's rights, and their lefts,

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:16 PM (HALdu)

159 Back then you could carry a couple of guns, buy a fifth of whiskey and cocaine, and opium for the Mrs. Nobody got hurt. Families were whole and united.

Now it's the Days of Noah.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:16 PM (gQ1nd)

160 But only a simple Federal Law to ban pot and other drugs?
Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:14 PM (NgKpN)

Fewer people's oxen getting gored, unfortunately.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (nu45M)

161 >>Interesting. This thread has not generated the pissiness that I thought it would.

The night is young.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (ZLI7S)

162 I'm not even sure if it's most. From the voting pattern studies I've seen, the worst offenders are single women. Married women show much more balanced voting IIRC, at least on the national level.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (nu45M)

You've got kids. Changes things.

I wonder if men shift politics when they get married?

Posted by: Synova at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (BD/yx)

163 153 Schitts is really grasping at any cock he can find

he's losing

Did they actually play Parnas interview with Madcow as evidence?

Posted by: It's me donna at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (6XlcD)

164 OT:

So, I had to work during the "Dune" discussion this morning.

I just wanted to say that, instead of another dinging version of "Dune"

I'd like to see:

1) A movie series of Gene Wolfe's

"Book of the New Sun"

ie. "The Shadow of the Torturer", "The Sword of the Lictor", "The Citadel of the Autarch", "The Urth of the New Sun"

and/or

2) Dan Simmon's Hyperion Cantos

ie. "Hyperion", "The Fall of Hyperion", "Endymion", "The Rise of Endymion"

or maybe just "Hyperion" since it's the best of the Cantos.

Both stories have fully developed oddball universes with the same "Forward into the Past" dynamics that work so well in "Dune".

Make it so, Hollywood!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (9X624)

165 Didn't she end up beating Bobby Riggs in a suffrage match at the Astrodome back in the '70s?

No, no, no, that was Susan Sarandon who beat Riggs. She made him wear her corset at baseball games for three months afterwards on the outside of his pants.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (HaL55)

166 I have a lot more problem with non property owners voting

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (rpxSz)

167 Emmie

Give my regards to Mr. Bassman. You are such a cute couple.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (u82oZ)

168 This thread has not generated the pissiness that I thought it would.

Well, its pretty hard to argue against a post that is anti-prohibition and pro-women voting. So we have to talk about getting a decent sammich.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (r+sAi)

169 Goddammit, my whole post vanished.

I would offer 10K in exchange for a person's right to vote in perpetuity. At least half of this country needs to have the franchise stripped; universal suffrage is one of the worst ideas of the 20th century.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (Ki5SV)

170 >>Decollatage, you barbarian

Is that Austrian for Biggins?

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (ZP/MT)

171 If it weren't for women and their insistence on prohibition, we'd have inexpensive, legal machine guns.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:18 PM (Lsu/B)

172 The thing about this particular instance, at least they did not have a huge amount of perspective to draw on.

Modern desire to ban all the things do not have this same excuse.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

----

There were dry towns, and it didn't cause any underworld crime problem. (Because you could go buy a bottle of hooch in the next town and keep it discreetly in your desk drawer.)

So, they thought, "Well, let's keep upping the ante!" until it was a federal mess.

Posted by: RKae at January 21, 2020 06:18 PM (zuo55)

173 Is that Austrian for Biggins?
Posted by: garrett at January

Der Juggenkrieg

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:18 PM (HALdu)

174 170 >>Decollatage, you barbarian

Is that Austrian for Biggins?
Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (ZP/MT)

Heavy. Hangers.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:18 PM (O3+/S)

175 universal suffrage is one of the worst ideas of the 20th century.

agreed

who was it who suggested solving for a simple polynomial when you go in the booth? Heinlein? and if you can't answer, lol, you not only don't vote, you don't come out.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 21, 2020 06:18 PM (Rarvo)

176 I so look forward to 300 posts telling us that women shouldn't have gotten the vote, because of course men never make stupid voting choices.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (WI7YS)

Not from me, Fen.

Female suffrage is not the problem.

Universal suffrage is.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 21, 2020 06:18 PM (Ki5SV)

177 Aunt B. Never drank hooch.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, at January 21, 2020 06:18 PM (Vy7tf)

178 You've got kids. Changes things.

I wonder if men shift politics when they get married?
Posted by: Synova at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (BD/yx)

Shift? don't think so.

Follow more? I sure did.

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:18 PM (NgKpN)

179 I saw a Red Dead Redemption 2 video of some one dragging that suffraget from Saint Denis (New Orleans) to old faithful (Wyoming) and toss her in.

I think that would have taken a bit longer on horse back then the 10 minutes or so it took him in the game.

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at January 21, 2020 06:19 PM (B06Zw)

180 Schitts is really grasping at any cock he can find

he's losing it
Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:15 PM (rpxSz)

I volunteer!

Posted by: ggreggums at January 21, 2020 06:19 PM (2PXwn)

181 Woodrow Wilson.
1913-1921
Income tax
17th amendment
18th amendment
19th amendment.

What a time to be alive!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2020 06:19 PM (dNzKv)

182 Oh, is Gerg back again for more abuse? Or is this different 12-year old socialista?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 21, 2020 06:19 PM (nYWSF)

183 naturalfake

Yes for the Hyperion Cantos. Lots of Moments of Awesomeness in that saga. Although the Mountain planet can be edited a lot.

"Book of the New Sun" . Just no. Or maybe get a lib studio rto do it and lose money.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:19 PM (u82oZ)

184 168 This thread has not generated the pissiness that I thought it would.

Well, its pretty hard to argue against a post that is anti-prohibition and pro-women voting. So we have to talk about getting a decent sammich.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (r+sAi)

And a beej.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (NWiLs)

185 When a woman tells you to "Think of the children," tell her, "No, that's YOUR job! Go do it!"

Posted by: RKae at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (zuo55)

186 Otis was the town drunk in Mayberry. He was also the only married man.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (Vy7tf)

187 I so look forward to 300 posts telling us that women shouldn't have gotten the vote, because of course men never make stupid voting choices.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (WI7YS)

Not from me, Fen.

Female suffrage is not the problem.

Universal suffrage is.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January

This!

Ever since we gave women the vote everyone suffers!

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (HALdu)

188 Wow heavy post. Particularly hard when you can not keep your eyes open or your head out of the food.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (fz3ky)

189 "I'm most certainly not arguing that women should have been denied the vote"

I am. And I know a few women who regretfully agree.

Posted by: WTP at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (WQfDg)

190 181 Woodrow Wilson.
1913-1921
Income tax
17th amendment
18th amendment
19th amendment.

What a time to be alive!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2020 06:19 PM (dNzKv)

Democrat. Racist POS.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (O3+/S)

191 Woodrow Wilson.
1913-1921

and his second term he was mentally incapacitated, so his WIFE was de facto President.

that's some kind of suffrage!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (Rarvo)

192 >>I saw a Red Dead Redemption 2 video of some one dragging that suffraget from Saint Denis (New Orleans) to old faithful (Wyoming) and toss her in.

His original plan was to take her to WallDrug, but he gave up.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (ZP/MT)

193 You've got kids. Changes things.

I wonder if men shift politics when they get married?
Posted by: Synova at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (BD/yx)

They might but I don't think it's as much as women. I do recall seeing that Trump would've had a massive landslide victory in 2016 if only men had been allowed to vote.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM (nu45M)

194 This is embarrassingly bad. Nancy must see her career passing before her eyes.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (ZLI7S)

195 One thing my dad pointed out, that never made any sense. Why was Doc's office at the top of a flight of rickety steep stairs? Makes no sense, Wounded, injured, or sick people, it's a whole lot easier to haul them around at ground floor. Not up (and down) steep stairs.

Posted by: Common Tater

----

If they can't get up the steps, then 19th Century medicine isn't going to save them.

Posted by: RKae at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (zuo55)

196 If Susan B. Anthony married Johnny B. Goode and then divorced him and married B.B. King she'd be Susan B. Anthony B. Goode B.B. King.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (m45I2)

197 Now here is fucking awesome personified. James Lileks speaking at the Liberty Forum a week ago:

https://youtu.be/-PydzgQnpC4

Posted by: Sharkman at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (fp3O8)

198 >> "I'm most certainly not arguing that women should have been denied the vote"

Those women?

Perhaps not...

today, though?

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (ZP/MT)

199 Peroni awaits.

Posted by: LOL at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (NSFCQ)

200 You've got kids. Changes things.

I wonder if men shift politics when they get married?
Posted by: Synova at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (BD/yx)

Shift? don't think so.

Follow more? I sure did.
Posted by: Don Q

You want them to pay attention? Tax their ass. Don't give them earned income credits.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (Lsu/B)

201 #93 Thread winnah! (It must be Ace in disguise!)

Posted by: andycanuck at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (TQ/zJ)

202 Give my regards to Mr. Bassman. You are such a cute couple.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (u82oZ)

Will do so. He tolerates me pretty good, don't he?

Posted by: Emmie at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (87gB3)

203 I'm the last person to watch silent movies, Charlie Chaplin, or any of that old crap.

But I did watch this 1918 Buster Keaton/Fatty Arbuckle clip and found it interesting and somewhat enjoyable for a few reasons:

The Cook! One of my favorites, and, I believe, the first short Keaton and Arbuckle did together.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (Ki5SV)

204 LARRY walker and Jeter into HOF

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (fz3ky)

205 183 naturalfake

Yes for the Hyperion Cantos. Lots of Moments of Awesomeness in that saga. Although the Mountain planet can be edited a lot.

"Book of the New Sun" . Just no. Or maybe get a lib studio rto do it and lose money.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:19 PM (u82oZ)

Hyperion Cantos, oh yeah. Endymion, and Rise of Endymion, oh no.
Best thing Simmons wrote was The Terror, IMO.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (O3+/S)

206 As a woman, I hate to say it, but there are far too many wymyn in this country who are too stupid to vote with anything but their vaginas and feelz.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (ptqGC)

207 I so look forward to 300 posts telling us that women shouldn't have gotten the vote, because of course men never make stupid voting choices.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (WI7YS)

Not from me, Fen.

Female suffrage is not the problem.

Universal suffrage is.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January

suffragettes were stupid, men would do whatever they want for good sex.

They could have had absolute power and no responsibility.

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (HALdu)

208 181 Woodrow Wilson.
1913-1921
Income tax
17th amendment
18th amendment
19th amendment.

What a time to be alive!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2020 06:19 PM (dNzKv)

Left out creation of the Fed Res Bank.

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (NgKpN)

209 Doc Adams office being on the second floor was weird. not very convenient for Matt as much as he caught bullets.

Posted by: x at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (nFwvY)

210 Best thing Simmons wrote was The Terror, IMO.

YES

was that a movie yet?!?!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (Rarvo)

211
Compassion is all that's needed. People everywhere are essentially good, and can be trusted.

Except the men who built this country and keep it running. They can't be trusted and should be locked up.

Posted by: Women at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (1PyAH)

212 It's like they are reprising "Les Miserables" on the floor of the Senate

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:23 PM (rpxSz)

213 Don't care if women vote or not. Do care that non property owners vote.

Easy to vote to raise taxes when you don't pay any.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:23 PM (Lsu/B)

214 I've been late to every damned thread today. House work.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2020 06:23 PM (ptqGC)

215 The last time I saw someone rambling like Schitthead is right now, they dosed her with haldol and sent her off to the Carrier clinic.

Posted by: BluesFish at January 21, 2020 06:23 PM (WQZ1O)

216 210 Best thing Simmons wrote was The Terror, IMO.

YES

was that a movie yet?!?!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (Rarvo)

TV Series. Not so great, IMO.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:23 PM (O3+/S)

217 Voters should be any combination of
Landowner
Business owner
Net tax payer

No skin in the game, no vote.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (dNzKv)

218 Jeter one vote shy of unanimous choice.

Look I think Mariano earned being unanimous. He was the best ever at what he did. Master great yes, but not like RIVERA.

But still what putz left him off?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (fz3ky)

219 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

Nevil Shute wrote about an intriguing multiple vote system in his book In the Wet.

So give people more votes based on a basic vote, property ownership or wealth, child rearing, education, overseas service, religious service, and the seventh one was a special award from the Queen. Hard to get that last one.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (u82oZ)

220 Isn't calling white people "amigos" kinda racist and cultural appropriative

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (rpxSz)

221 Wilson was the worst. worse than Obama. thanks for income taxes and WW2, asshole.

Posted by: x at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (nFwvY)

222 I so look forward to 300 posts telling us that women shouldn't have
gotten the vote, because of course men never make stupid voting choices.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (WI7YS)

A vote once bit my sister.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (1CjJc)

223 Simmons? Like Richard Simmons?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (NWiLs)

224 I know the Left sure does work hard to keep women unmarried.

Posted by: Emmie at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (87gB3)

225 Trump's in the Senate ????????????????

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (rpxSz)

226 suffragettes were stupid, men would do whatever they want for good sex.

Posted by: not so

Men had that at the cat house over the saloon. Which was in the middle of town.

Had to go and fuck it up.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:25 PM (Lsu/B)

227 Best thing Simmons wrote was The Terror, IMO.

YES

was that a movie yet?!?!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 21, 2020 06:22 PM (Rarvo)

Cable series on AMC.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 21, 2020 06:25 PM (9X624)

228 I blame wyimmens.

Can't even get a decent sammich

Posted by: Archer at January 21, 2020 06:25 PM (gmo/4)

229 Otis was the town drunk in Mayberry. He was also the only married man.

That's why he drank.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 21, 2020 06:25 PM (oVJmc)

230 214
I've been late to every damned thread today. House work.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2020 06:23 PM (ptqGC)

Well, in summary:
Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. And universal suffrage bad.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 21, 2020 06:25 PM (1CjJc)

231 229 Otis was the town drunk in Mayberry. He was also the only married man.

That's why he drank.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 21, 2020 06:25 PM (oVJmc)

*snort*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:25 PM (NWiLs)

232 Men had that at the cat house over the saloon. Which was in the middle of town.

Had to go and fuck it up.
Posted by: rickb223 at January

Miss Kitty ran that town

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (HALdu)

233 NaCly dog. Yup, pioneer women were tough and Gunsmoke portrayed that with a lot of the single episode characters also. I recently caught some of the first episodes and think in #1, miss Kitty was Matt's gf and just a waitress. But the writers or audience needed a stronger personality to balance the show. A great decision in TV history IMO.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (eASYU)

234 One bourbon,

One scotch.

Anybody with OCD in here?

Posted by: eleven at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (QLPEO)

235 Jimmie Walker > Larry Walker

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (4e+hS)

236
The Cook! One of my favorites, and, I believe, the first short Keaton and Arbuckle did together.

Posted by: Mary Poppins

I was impressed, much to my surprise.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (KkUff)

237 234 One bourbon,

One scotch.

Anybody with OCD in here?
Posted by: eleven at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (QLPEO)

One beer.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (NWiLs)

238 234 One bourbon,

One scotch.

Anybody with OCD in here?
Posted by: eleven at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (QLPEO)

Lol

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (O3+/S)

239 Simmons? Like Richard Simmons?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (NWiLs

Gene.

Posted by: Josephistan at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (+xOjn)

240 214 I've been late to every damned thread today. House work.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2020 06:23 PM (ptqGC)

Three tardies count as one absence.

Posted by: Emmie at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (87gB3)

241 If I was going to change the voting system, I would much prefer to go to something like Heinlein's Citizen proposal - there are far too many stupid men who vote as well.

I would be comfortable with maybe 200,000 - 300,000 total voters - who were skilled and intelligent and dedicated - running things. As to the sheep they guard, well, they're sheep.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:26 PM (Kpl3J)

242 Miss Kitty ran that town

Bawdy.

Posted by: eleven at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (QLPEO)

243 My former US Army Nurse mom passed away in November at the age of 96. She always said that giving women the right to vote ruined this country. In fact, she said it to my daughter a couple of weeks before she died and I thought my daughters head would explode.

Posted by: Flatville Bill at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (k3WO2)

244 Was it a Boston writer that voted against Jeter?

Posted by: LOL at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (NSFCQ)

245 This is embarrassingly bad. Nancy must see her career passing before her eyes.

We can only hope.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (HaL55)

246 Kitty was a part owner with a guy named Bill who she later bought out.

Posted by: x at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (nFwvY)

247 212 It's like they are reprising "Les Miserables" on the floor of the Senate
Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:23 PM (rpxSz)

Do you hear the people sing
That is the song of Angry Men
Its the Music of Deplorables
Who won't be impeached again

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (NgKpN)

248 217 Voters should be any combination of
Landowner
Business owner
Net tax payer

No skin in the game, no vote.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (dNzKv)

---

And military.

Posted by: SMH at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (RU4sa)

249 I have a collection of alcohol in my home but with this Impeachment going on if I started drinking I'd be medically comatose before the next Democrat shuts up.

Posted by: MrObvious at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (5prN7)

250 You'd have to be one raggedy-ass drunk to drink bourbon, scotch, and beer at the same sitting.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (NWiLs)

251 Well, its pretty hard to argue against a post that is anti-prohibition and pro-women voting. So we have to talk about getting a decent sammich.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2020 06:17 PM (r+sAi)

And a beej.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:20 PM

Men, your day approacheth. March 14th.

Posted by: Sheryl Crow at January 21, 2020 06:28 PM (vkomf)

252 If I was going to change the voting system, I would much prefer to go to something like Heinlein's Citizen proposal - there are far too many stupid men who vote as well.

I would be comfortable with maybe 200,000 - 300,000 total voters - who were skilled and intelligent and dedicated - running things. As to the sheep they guard, well, they're sheep.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January

No, more voters is better, but their interests have to be aligned.

Now we have taxpayers and grifters.

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:28 PM (HALdu)

253 Was it a Boston writer that voted against Jeter?
Posted by: LOL at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (NSFCQ)

Do not know. But I doubt it. Probably some putz in podungk

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:28 PM (fz3ky)

254 >> Miss Kitty ran that town

Runs everything.

Would you rather go to the store with 4 Oz of Mish or 1 lb of Dick?

Because, if life has taught me one thing it has taught me that a pound of dick won't buy you a fucking thing.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2020 06:28 PM (ZP/MT)

255 Since women have gotten the right to vote, has America become better, or worse? I ask this from a neutral position.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:29 PM (O3+/S)

256 And thank you TR for giving us the gift of Wilson. Blast his face off of Rushmore and replace it with trump.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2020 06:29 PM (dNzKv)

257 This is embarrassingly bad. Nancy must see her career passing before her eyes.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2020 06:21 PM (ZLI7S)
*****
Would that movie be the quality of Saturday Night UP all night with Rhonda Shear?

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at January 21, 2020 06:29 PM (BqBId)

258 Women's Suffrage was a pretty progressive and revolutionary concept. Before that, the Husband was considered to vote in the body politic on behalf of the family unit. He was the representative of the whole family, as it were. But as women began to accepted as individuals, the argument of them as being citizens, in the full sense, gained favor.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2020 06:29 PM (yQpMk)

259 I believe Prohibition failed because it outlawed the manufacture and sale of alcohol.

It did not ban consumption.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at January 21, 2020 06:29 PM (zVXtJ)

260 219 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

Nevil Shute wrote about an intriguing multiple vote system in his book In the Wet.

So give people more votes based on a basic vote, property ownership or wealth, child rearing, education, overseas service, religious service, and the seventh one was a special award from the Queen. Hard to get that last one.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (u82oZ)

So, votes based on a Social Credit system?

/shakes head

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:30 PM (NgKpN)

261 Did anyone mentioned that this passed after WWI? Fewer men to oppose it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 21, 2020 06:30 PM (Lqy/e)

262 Bret Baier sez a Senate rule is that the Senate can have a tall class of milk or water.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 21, 2020 06:30 PM (ptqGC)

263 We should turn over governance to AI.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:30 PM (O3+/S)

264 Men, your day approacheth. March 14th.
Posted by: Sheryl Crow at January 21, 2020 06:28 PM (vkomf)

That's Pi Day.

Posted by: Emmie at January 21, 2020 06:30 PM (87gB3)

265 Men, your day approacheth. March 14th.
Posted by: Sheryl Crow at January

Even sadder than having a day for steak and blowjobs would be looking forward to that day.

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:31 PM (HALdu)

266 Isn't calling white people "amigos" kinda racist and cultural appropriative

No. It never was and isn't nowadays.

Next question...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 21, 2020 06:31 PM (HaL55)

267 I would watch the impeachment proceedings but fuck that noise.

Posted by: jsg at January 21, 2020 06:31 PM (Z658e)

268 263 We should turn over governance to AI.
Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:30 PM (O3+/S)

Do you want to have no mouth and the need to scream? Because that's how you get no mouth and the need to scream.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:31 PM (NWiLs)

269 So, votes based on a Social Credit system?

/shakes head

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:30 PM (NgKpN)

I am sure that it will be administered fairly and in the best interests of society.

*joins head shake*

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 21, 2020 06:31 PM (1CjJc)

270 We should turn over governance to AI.
Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:30 PM (O3+/S)

No, just to GORT

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:31 PM (fz3ky)

271 I'd support a mid-19th century approach to most so-called "victimless" crimes - aka alcohol, prostitution, drugs. Not full legalization, but regulate it and restrict it to certain areas, have enough control to keep organized crime gangs from getting rich and taking over.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:31 PM (Kpl3J)

272 Odd thing is some of the first women voters in Leftist cities are still voting Democrat every year.

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (ZCEU2)

273 I think hte fagz should all lose the right to vote.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (d7Ww2)

274 Don Q

I view it more as skin in the game. The successful, in various ways, outvote the hangers on.

People pulling the wagon over people sitting in the wagon.

Social credit is for behavior, and extremely coercive.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (u82oZ)

275 My A.P. U.S. History teacher loved to point out that as soon as the women got they voted for Warren G. Harding, a good-looking guy, according to the standards at the time.

Posted by: JAS at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (DBGf/)

276 Nevil Shute wrote about an intriguing multiple vote system in his book In the Wet.

So give people more votes based on a basic vote, property ownership or wealth, child rearing, education, overseas service, religious service, and the seventh one was a special award from the Queen. Hard to get that last one.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:24 PM (u82oZ)

There was an author in the late 19th century who wrote a novel using the basis of wealth for how many votes you could have. I'm not near the book, so I can't tell you what it is.

I agree that some combination of property / taxes / investments should be the basis for granting a vote. When your vote can be bought by a charlatan promising you free shit, it devalues the vote, the office and yourself.

We need a hell of a lot more personal shame in this country.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (Ki5SV)

277 My wife votes straight Republican..I did my job, Do yours!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (fz3ky)

278 Giving women the vote and outlawing spanking at the same time was the big mistake.

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (HALdu)

279 Skip at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM. My monitor curses you Skip.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (eASYU)

280 A large part of the movement was "women's health" headed by Margret Sanger. Funny how that gets left out of the conversation. EveryTime.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (gQ1nd)

281 Since women have gotten the right to vote, has America become better, or worse? I ask this from a neutral position.

That is an interesting question. I suppose the reply is "what do you mean by better?"

Is society better as a whole because women endorse compassionate measures like more welfare? I don't know.

Is "tolerance" better than "intolerance?" Tolerance gave us single mothers and the spread of AIDs.

Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (gauLa)

282 271 I'd support a mid-19th century approach to most so-called "victimless" crimes - aka alcohol, prostitution, drugs. Not full legalization, but regulate it and restrict it to certain areas, have enough control to keep organized crime gangs from getting rich and taking over.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:31 PM (Kpl3J)

Opium dens, whorehouses, and gin mills. Hmmm. Tax revenues??

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (O3+/S)

283 278 Giving women the vote and outlawing spanking at the same time was the big mistake.
Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (HALdu)

If we still had spanking, we could work on the consequences of them voting wrong.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (Kpl3J)

284 275
My A.P. U.S. History teacher loved to point out that as soon as the
women got they voted for Warren G. Harding, a good-looking guy,
according to the standards at the time.

It was the onion on his belt what done it.

Posted by: pep at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (T6t7i)

285 Because, if life has taught me one thing it has taught me that a pound of dick won't buy you a fucking thing.
Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2020 06:28 PM (ZP/MT)

Grandfather Poppins would opine, "Ten inches of wallet will get you further than ten inches of cock any day."

A wise man, he.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (Ki5SV)

286 The Firearms Act of 1934 was worse than both of those amendments, At least those were / amendments.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (2DOZq)

287 Odd thing is some of the first women voters in Leftist cities are still voting Democrat every year.
Posted by: Skip

Figure most would be dead by now. Not too many 18 yr olds in 1920 still kicking.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (Lsu/B)

288 If we still had spanking, we could work on the consequences of them voting wrong.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January

yes

more sex too

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (HALdu)

289 262 Bret Baier sez a Senate rule is that the Senate can have a tall class of milk or water.

This originated back when individuals with ulcers would palliate the acid discomfort with milk.

Posted by: MrObvious at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (5prN7)

290 Interestingly, one can make the point that giving women the vote actually boosted Republicans, since husbands and wives acted as voting "teams."

This was similar to universal (male) sufferage in the UK which initially boosted the Tories because the servants of the landed nobility voted with their lords.

The problem isn't female suffrage, it's radical feminism that has poisoned two generations and is working on a third. \

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (cfSRQ)

291 280 A large part of the movement was "women's health" headed by Margret Sanger. Funny how that gets left out of the conversation. EveryTime.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (gQ1nd)

She was rather monstrous, when you take a real look at her.

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (O3+/S)

292 277
My wife votes straight Republican..I did my job, Do yours!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (fz3ky)

I wouldn't say straight republican, but we are more or less on the same page, such that I trust her to make picks.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (1CjJc)

293 136---I'm not even sure if it's most. From the voting pattern studies I've seen, the worst offenders are single women. Married women show much more balanced voting IIRC, at least on the national level.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (nu45M)
--------------------------------------
I think women are hardwired to care about security above freedom, especially when they have babies in the nest.
If they don't get a sense of security from a mate, they'll seek it from government.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (M/9m0)

294 Juan Williams is flapping his lips.

Posted by: JAS at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (DBGf/)

295 Some women still tell some people they don't need to be drinking beer with their friends at all hours.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (USLDQ)

296 Orin Hatch tweeted this video from the
NRSC

https://tinyurl.com/ujsjazz

Just think if he hadn't retired we wouldn't have Romney in the senate.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (wiXsO)

297 277 My wife votes straight Republican..I did my job, Do yours!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (fz3ky)

I'm for a constitutional amendment banning democrats

Mrs. REDACTED if much further to the right

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (rpxSz)

298 The Firearms Act of 1934 was worse than both of those amendments, At least those were / amendments.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

And without prohibition, there would have been no national firearms act. Thanks Carrie nation.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (Lsu/B)

299 Chuck The Schmuck down again

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (BqBId)

300 >>Grandfather Poppins would opine, "Ten inches of wallet will get you further than ten inches of cock any day."

The key to that joke is it leaves people thinking...'wait - does that guy have a pound of dick!?'.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (ZP/MT)

301
12 I so look forward to 300 posts telling us that women shouldn't have gotten the vote, because of course men never make stupid voting choices.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (WI7YS)
--------------------

Well, men did give women the vote....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 21, 2020 05:52 PM (oBfF

It all started when we loaned 'em a rib!
Word.

Posted by: Heirloominati at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (BwQXu)

302 It's all about teh feeeeelz. *hic*

Posted by: Wine Moms at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (EgshT)

303 Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (Lsu/B)

paging Ben Rothlisberger.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (eASYU)

304 sorry, is much

Posted by: REDACTED at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (rpxSz)

305 Opium dens, whorehouses, and gin mills. Hmmm. Tax revenues??
Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (O3+/S)

The idea is that these things will exist in some form no matter what you do, so you're better off allowing them, in a limited fashion, and keeping control over them so they don't get out of hand.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (Kpl3J)

306 272 Odd thing is some of the first women voters in Leftist cities are still voting Democrat every year.
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (ZCEU2)

You mean those 137-year-old women?

Posted by: Emmie at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (87gB3)

307 the "aww" vote.

Posted by: deplorable unperson at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (gPk/0)

308 60. All true, and the way women were being hurt is that they were getting the snot beat out of them by their drunk husbands and couldn't take care of their kids. Since Americans were mainly a church-going lot, the word of these neglected children filtered up to the local pastor. The early temperance movement came out of the Protestant congregations and Susan B. Anthony was pro-life.

Posted by: kallisto at January 21, 2020 06:37 PM (6bMel)

309 My wife votes straight Republican..I did my job, Do yours!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (fz3ky)

I wouldn't say straight republican, but we are more or less on the same page, such that I trust her to make picks.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (1CjJc)

I took my wife and daughter to Israel. Got bombed and caught in terror attack. Worked wonders

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:37 PM (fz3ky)

310 Figure most would be dead by now. Not too many 18 yr olds in 1920 still kicking.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (Lsu/B)

Even after death they vote democrat.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 21, 2020 06:37 PM (9Om/r)

311 sorry, is much
Posted by: REDACTED at January

yoda comments here?

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:37 PM (HALdu)

312 We should turn over governance to AI.
Posted by: tubal

All that means is turning over the 'government' to those that program the AI.

You want Gurgle or Amoozon to rule your life?

Because that's who's going to develop this AI.

Or even better - Alibaba in china. Yeah, love that even more, don't we?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 21, 2020 06:37 PM (nYWSF)

313 I would say the number one position of reform would be to keep good families together, and fathers in kid's lives. Welfare doomed that, by design, and over the objections of Daniel Moynahan.

Today I overheard a half-brother telling another kid why he did not have a step-brother. Sad.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:37 PM (u82oZ)

314 273 I think hte fagz should all lose the right to vote.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (d7Ww2)

A smoking pole tax?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:37 PM (NWiLs)

315 But AI is so smart, and all!

Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:38 PM (O3+/S)

316 I took my wife and daughter to Israel. Got bombed and caught in terror attack. Worked wonders

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:37 PM (fz3ky)

You went . . . the extra mile. I just chose wisely.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 21, 2020 06:38 PM (1CjJc)

317 By the way, Prohibition passed in part because so many GIs were in Europe.

My great-grandfather wrote home that his wife should pay no attention to the anti-prohibition slogans on the outside of the envelopes since mail clerks were the ones writing them on all mail back to the States.

Obviously the effort failed.

Fun fact: Michigan was one of the first to go dry and the first to go wet. In fact, after it ratified repeal, law enforcement gave up even trying to stop the stuff from coming in.

Not that it was hard to find booze. The Mayor of Detroit said that if you couldn't find alcohol, you simply weren't trying.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 21, 2020 06:38 PM (cfSRQ)

318 @ComfortablySmug 2m

If Dems are dumb enough to nominate Joe Biden, that first debate, Trump is going to have the stripper mom sitting front and center, and tell Joe congratulations and ask if he's met the baby she's holding

Can you imagine???? Because God knows Trump will do it

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 21, 2020 06:38 PM (nYWSF)

319 291 280 A large part of the movement was "women's health" headed by Margret Sanger. Funny how that gets left out of the conversation. EveryTime.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (gQ1nd)

She was rather monstrous, when you take a real look at her.
Posted by: tubal at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (O3+/S)

No shit. But apparently having many children and a strong nuclear family based on Christianity was way way worse.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:39 PM (gQ1nd)

320 I think many women believe that they can change people at the soul level. Their basic nature if only that person was given the nudge they need. I think it is a mom thing required to get the child to take the first solid food, first step, and become civil(ized). It is not wrong just human nature as we see many moms saying the Jeffery was not a bad boy he liked being a clown and oh by the way killing kids.

Our great socialism experiment failed. Social Security failed. Medicare failed. Failed Failed Failed. Public education failed.

I live and sleep with a health care provider that wants to make the world better. But she wants people to take control of their lives, their health, their bodies.

That times in society also brought out the race, ethnic cleansing, and purity people. Just a tweak and we could have a better society.

President Trump is on the cusp of a great awakening of freedom. Freedom to live and work and be what YOU want to be.

I want to be free.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2020 06:40 PM (JFO2v)

321 And without prohibition, there would have been no national firearms act. Thanks Carrie nation.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:35 PM (Lsu/B)

It's my opinion if there wasn't any 18th and bootlegging the mob would have just concentrated on drugs , gambling and prostitution and we would have had the same mob wars.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 21, 2020 06:40 PM (2DOZq)

322 Voters should be any combination of
Landowner
Business owner
Net tax payer

No skin in the game, no vote.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

THIS!

Posted by: Linn Ridge. Kiss my Bot. at January 21, 2020 06:41 PM (4R6Rp)

323 I think women are hardwired to care about security above freedom, especially when they have babies in the nest.

If they don't get a sense of security from a mate, they'll seek it from government.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

Sadly, what they don't ever realize, is that they won't get it from the government either.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:41 PM (Lsu/B)

324
The Mayor of Detroit said that if you couldn't find alcohol, you simply weren't trying.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

Windsor, Ontario and a river that freezes in the winter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 21, 2020 06:41 PM (7rVsF)

325 My wife started out center left. Rush Limbaugh worked his magic on her.

Posted by: jsg at January 21, 2020 06:41 PM (Z658e)

326 A Dem is pro-troops?

Posted by: JAS at January 21, 2020 06:41 PM (DBGf/)

327 If it wasn't for prohibition and women's suffrage I wouldn't have all of those
Susan B. Anthony coins I don't know what to do with.

Posted by: Colin at January 21, 2020 06:41 PM (1BIQV)

328 Crack is illegal?

Posted by: Hunter Biden's crack pipe at January 21, 2020 06:41 PM (Pgcou)

329 It's my opinion if there wasn't any 18th and bootlegging the mob would have just concentrated on drugs , gambling and prostitution and we would have had the same mob wars.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Not even close.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:42 PM (Lsu/B)

330 306 272 Odd thing is some of the first women voters in Leftist cities are still voting Democrat every year.
Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (ZCEU2)

You mean those 137-year-old women?
Posted by: Emmie at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM (87gB3)

my dad never voted Dem till he died

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2020 06:42 PM (JFO2v)

331 Allowing people with no skin in the game to vote, doomed the Roman Republic - it appears to dooming our Republic as well.

Posted by: Archer at January 21, 2020 06:42 PM (gmo/4)

332 I'm not defending prohibition and I'm most certainly not arguing that women should have been denied the vote, but I am arguing that it was complicated, and those who want to mock America for dragging its feet in granting universal suffrage, while also mocking America for the puritan silliness of Prohibition, should know the correlation between the two.

It's not complicated. Women are people and deserve the franchise. Prohibition was stupid.

This is a stupid post without a point since you cant it in "I'm not saying". Either say or don't say. Don't be stupid.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 21, 2020 06:42 PM (gd9RK)

333 Since women have gotten the right to vote, has America become better, or worse? I ask this from a neutral position.

That is an interesting question. I suppose the reply is "what do you mean by better?"
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The United States of America are primarily (to the extent the organization is legitimate) a mutual protection pact among citizens through their states in order to preserve our God given Rights.
Have we gotten better at that since we allowed women to have a say? Or is our primary enemy, government, an ever increasing problem? Are we at least preserving the organization or are we letting the borders be overrun at will because of muh feelz?

Posted by: Methos at January 21, 2020 06:43 PM (kOpft)

334 322
Voters should be any combination of

Landowner

Business owner

Net tax payer

No skin in the game, no vote.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

---
Mass conscription changed the game.

No way to put that genie back in the bottle unless you repeal Selective Service.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 21, 2020 06:43 PM (cfSRQ)

335 326 A Dem is pro-troops?

Only if there are potential votes.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2020 06:43 PM (dNzKv)

336 Posted by: Emmie at January 21, 2020 06:36 PM

Yep

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 06:43 PM (ZCEU2)

337 I think women are hardwired to care about security above freedom, especially when they have babies in the nest.

If they don't get a sense of security from a mate, they'll seek it from government.

Now all that needs to happen is for the government to turn against men...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 21, 2020 06:43 PM (HaL55)

338 This is a stupid post without a point since you cant it in "I'm not saying". Either say or don't say. Don't be stupid.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Your tampon, ma'am.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 21, 2020 06:43 PM (nYWSF)

339 I think hte fagz should all lose the right to vote.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2020 06:32 PM (d7Ww2)

A smoking pole tax?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:37 PM
*snort*

You two....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 21, 2020 06:45 PM (rBtIz)

340 Is there a book or just a few that could explain to me how LJB went from blocking the voting rights act for as long as he could, got 'experts' to design the welfare act in such a way as to decimate black families, etc etc but blacks became such a voting bloc for his party.

I'm sure the FNM had a huge role, but seems like there had to be some sellout civil rights leaders, prominent preachers etc to pull of that trick.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at January 21, 2020 06:45 PM (eASYU)

341 This is going to be good

Posted by: Josephistan at January 21, 2020 06:45 PM (+xOjn)

342 243 My former US Army Nurse mom passed away in November at the age of 96. She always said that giving women the right to vote ruined this country. In fact, she said it to my daughter a couple of weeks before she died and I thought my daughters head would explode.
Posted by: Flatville Bill at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (k3WO2

I cannot disagree with your mother.

Now that I am feeling discouraged by all the political and cultural news, I will go read Ol' Remus's Woodpile Report and become utterly depressed.

And Bill, my deepest sympathy to you at the lossof your mother.

Posted by: Flyover at January 21, 2020 06:45 PM (Rbu5d)

343 /btw, it's not all women just.. most of us unfortunately.
Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at January 21, 2020 06:06 PM (gauLa)

I'm not even sure if it's most. From the voting pattern studies I've seen, the worst offenders are single women. Married women show much more balanced voting IIRC, at least on the national level.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (nu45M)

Married women have things to lose - in this and the next generation. They tend to be averse to sweeping changes in the status quo.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 21, 2020 06:45 PM (eoQWY)

344 All that in my prior post said, fast forward to today. The majority of women in office are Leftists, and had Hillary been elected, the gynocracy would be firmly established. After the November election disaster in the Philly suburbs, driven by the clueless wine moms, I posted my belief that white women would be the death of this country. Even if the women's vote were banned TODAY , it wouldn't matter because the blue shitholes are filled with beta males and soibois.

Posted by: kallisto - at January 21, 2020 06:45 PM (6bMel)

345 323 I think women are hardwired to care about security above freedom, especially when they have babies in the nest.

If they don't get a sense of security from a mate, they'll seek it from government.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

Sadly, what they don't ever realize, is that they won't get it from the government either.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:41 PM (Lsu/B)

They want the security. You can have both. Security and Freedom. Just not in most black minority communities.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2020 06:45 PM (JFO2v)

346 I read somewhere years ago that before the West was "settled" while people were still migrating West but water wells were not necessarily available everywhere, the average consumption of alcohol was in excess of 1.4 gallons per person per month. (Men, women and children included.) Which kind of explains WHY there was enough alcoholism to generate a prohibition movement. Note that this was BEFORE Val-U-Rite started discounting vodka.

Posted by: MrObvious at January 21, 2020 06:46 PM (5prN7)

347
We got Woodrow Wilson, direct election of senators, the income tax and the Fed without women voting. Any of those is more damaging than Prohibition.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 21, 2020 06:46 PM (7rVsF)

348 Your tampon, ma'am.

Yeah, fuck that. This Throckmorton keeps making stupid posts and doesn't defend xitself in the comments. It has no standing. It hasn't earned it.

Also it's stupid.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 21, 2020 06:46 PM (gd9RK)

349
It's not complicated. Women are people and deserve the franchise. Prohibition was stupid.

This is a stupid post without a point since you cant it in "I'm not saying". Either say or don't say. Don't be stupid.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 21, 2020 06:42 PM (gd9RK)

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This guy has yet to impress me.

He is long-winded and rather conventional.

Basically the AoSHQ version of the WSJ Editoral Page.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 21, 2020 06:46 PM (cfSRQ)

350 I read somewhere that anti-German sentiments also contributed to helping prohibition pass.
The temperance movement used the fact that big breweries were owned by Germans to gin up sentiment for prohibition.. they argued the Germans here were funneling money to the German war effort..
Also, Wilson passed laws to make beer no stronger than 3% alcohol. Ya whol, mein herr!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 21, 2020 06:46 PM (CjFDo)

351 Since women have gotten the right to vote, has America become better, or worse?

Worse. Far worse.

Women have an uncanny ability to twist any statement, any issue, any opinion on any subject and make it utterly and completely about themselves.

Hence , New Deal.

Posted by: deplorable unperson at January 21, 2020 06:46 PM (gPk/0)

352 I will give up my right to vote only if it is also removed from anyone who cannot pass a basic civics test (as in naming the three branches of government and their senators and congressional representative.)

For the record: executive, legislative, and judicial. Cruz, Cornyn, Gohmert.

Posted by: Empire1 at January 21, 2020 06:47 PM (HIJ+2)

353 Giving up the franchise so as to avoid an AOC, Pelosy or Maxine Waters would be well worth it.

Posted by: fly gal at January 21, 2020 06:47 PM (8TdcF)

354 Ya know, history is written by the winners. White Christian men (back then) did a great job of policing their own, and if men were truly beating the shit out of women, like history says, then men would have taken care of it themsleves because we do police our own. It's in our nature.

So to say women were always getting beaten to death on a large mass scale is bullshit because it goes against men's nature to police their own and keep order in the community.

So I call bullshit on widespread wife beatings just like I call out the fact that women's health and Margaret Sanger are literally always left out of the historical context of the times.

Funny how we now have strict laws to punish and restrain male nature but the exact opposite for female nature. Hence, David French

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:47 PM (gQ1nd)

355 Seriously, folks, this Lileks speech is fantastic:

https://youtu.be/-PydzgQnpC4

Posted by: Sharkman at January 21, 2020 06:47 PM (fp3O8)

356 fly gal

Then we got LBJ. Carter, Schummer, Romney, DeBasio, Cuomo, ...

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:48 PM (u82oZ)

357 333 Since women have gotten the right to vote, has America become better, or worse? I ask this from a neutral position."

I would say, comparing America today to 100 years ago, America is vastly wealthier, stronger, healthier, and in spite of the critics, we bestride today's world like a Colossus. We have powers that the ancients thought only the gods could control.

And, our soul is dying.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:48 PM (Kpl3J)

358 I read somewhere years ago that before the West was "settled" while people were still migrating West but water wells were not necessarily available everywhere, the average consumption of alcohol was in excess of 1.4 gallons per person per month. (Men, women and children included.) Which kind of explains WHY there was enough alcoholism to generate a prohibition movement. Note that this was BEFORE Val-U-Rite started discounting vodka.
Posted by: MrObvious

It wasn't lack of water so much as lack of clean water. Brewing/Distillation sterilized water.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:48 PM (Lsu/B)

359 I'm a single woman.
I don't own property, or a business.
My income is such that I don't pay federal income taxes.

You're saying I shouldn't have the right to vote?

fuck you

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2020 06:48 PM (d7Ww2)

360 Either say or don't say. Don't be stupid.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 21, 2020 06:42 PM

Say, or say not. Wise, this Moron is.

Posted by: Yoda at January 21, 2020 06:49 PM (rBtIz)

361 I blame the Spanish Flu...

Posted by: Archer at January 21, 2020 06:49 PM (gmo/4)

362 350
I read somewhere that anti-German sentiments also contributed to helping prohibition pass.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 21, 2020 06:46 PM
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It was also anti-Catholic.

It was a way for the WASPs to hit the Irish, Italians and Germans simultaneously.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 21, 2020 06:49 PM (cfSRQ)

363 If Dems are dumb enough to nominate Joe Biden, that first debate, Trump
is going to have the stripper mom sitting front and center, and tell Joe
congratulations and ask if he's met the baby she's holding

Can you imagine???? Because God knows Trump will do it

Oh yes, he will. Hell, he had Billy Jeff's rape victims in one of the last ones. That pic of BJ with his eyes about to push out of the side of his face was priceless.

More of this, please.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 21, 2020 06:49 PM (HaL55)

364 The problem is not giving women the vote. I serve with enough to know how great they are in all ways. It is men who act like women that I have a problem with and blame all the worlds issues on

But hey that is just me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:49 PM (fz3ky)

365 *cough*

Posted by: deplorable unperson at January 21, 2020 06:50 PM (gPk/0)

366 Tom Servo

Good points.

There are a lot of empty people out there looking at their phones.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 21, 2020 06:50 PM (u82oZ)

367 337---Now all that needs to happen is for the government to turn against men...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 21, 2020 06:43 PM (HaL55)
-------------------------------------
Heh.
Puts some of this anti-male stuff in perspective, doesn't it?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 21, 2020 06:50 PM (M/9m0)

368 Even if the women's vote were banned TODAY , it
wouldn't matter because the blue shitholes are filled with beta males
and soibois.

Posted by: kallisto - at January 21, 2020 06:45 PM (6bMel)

This is the other problem caused by feminism. If you raise boys to believe they're no better than woman, what that becomes in our heads is 'noting more is expected of us than of the girls.' As a result, they base their behavioral norms on what they think of girls and *boom* soiboi for life.

Posted by: Methos at January 21, 2020 06:51 PM (kOpft)

369 The problem is not giving women the vote. I serve
with enough to know how great they are in all ways. It is men who act
like women that I have a problem with and blame all the worlds issues on

But hey that is just me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:49 PM (fz3ky)

Much, much truth in that.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 21, 2020 06:51 PM (9Om/r)

370 Vote or no vote?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzYqB4Vzo4

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 21, 2020 06:52 PM (1CjJc)

371 It's not complicated. Women are people and deserve the franchise. Prohibition was stupid.

This is a stupid post without a point since you cant it in "I'm not saying". Either say or don't say. Don't be stupid.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 21, 2020 06:42 PM (gd9RK)

I believe the Founders knew and understood history much better than PC Current Year America, and they had good reasons to deny the right to vote to women.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:52 PM (gQ1nd)

372 You're saying I shouldn't have the right to vote?

fuck you

Posted by: nurse ratched

Special exceptions apply to you. Youbget one vote because you are awesome, one vote because you are a firearms enthusiast who believes in the 2nd Amendment and are willing to defend to the death our sacred rights, one vote because you are a nurse and finally one vote because you raised a jarhead.

That's four votes, and when I think about it, this actually how this should work.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 21, 2020 06:52 PM (fp3O8)

373 The worst fallout from the 19th was the election of Obama.

Not because women could and did vote for him. But the sole reason he was deemed a US citizen at all was a derivative of the 19th.

Prior to the 19th citizenship was derived from marriage if one married a foreigner and the husband was a us citizen the the wife and children were us citizens, if a us wpoman married a foreign man, then she lost her citizenship.

The 19th required women to retain citizenship even if they married foreign men foe voting.... and children became duel citizens.

If not for the 19th Obama would have been a British citizen since birth (as far as the US was concerned).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 21, 2020 06:52 PM (1g7ch)

374 The temperance movement used the fact that big breweries were owned by Germans to gin up sentiment for prohibition.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 21, u2020 06:46 PM

ISWYDT.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 21, 2020 06:53 PM (rBtIz)

375 Special exceptions apply to you. Youbget one vote
because you are awesome, one vote because you are a firearms enthusiast
who believes in the 2nd Amendment and are willing to defend to the death
our sacred rights, one vote because you are a nurse and finally one
vote because you raised a jarhead.

That's four votes, and when I think about it, this actually how this should work.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 21, 2020 06:52 PM (fp3O

Sounds like a line from "It's a Mad, Mad, World".

Posted by: Archer at January 21, 2020 06:53 PM (gmo/4)

376 Decollatage, you barbarian.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2020 06:16 PM (Kpl3J)

Frontage, a/k/a a form of birth control.

Posted by: RickZ at January 21, 2020 06:53 PM (Y8PSl)

377 Nood, just in case it has not been said.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 21, 2020 06:54 PM (2B9A/)

378 You're saying I shouldn't have the right to vote?

fuck you

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2020 06:48 PM (d7Ww2)

.....

Ouch.

I'd say probably more than a few military families with dad deployed among the desert rats right now that would probably be denied the right to vote under that guideline too.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 21, 2020 06:54 PM (USLDQ)

379 I believe the Founders knew and understood history
much better than PC Current Year America, and they had good reasons to
deny the right to vote to women.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:52 PM (gQ1nd)

---
Didn't James Madison warn of the 'tyranny of the petticoat'?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 21, 2020 06:55 PM (cfSRQ)

380 Sounds like a line from "It's a Mad, Mad, World".
Posted by: Archer at January 21, 2020 06:53 PM (gmo/4)

Yes a movie that encompassed all the truths in the world until The Godfather came along. Also you must be old as shit like me.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2020 06:55 PM (fz3ky)

381 Beto.

I rest my case.

Posted by: x at January 21, 2020 06:55 PM (nFwvY)

382 359 I'm a single woman.
I don't own property, or a business.
My income is such that I don't pay federal income taxes.

You're saying I shouldn't have the right to vote?

fuck you
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2020 06:48 PM (d7Ww2)

I think it is more the ideal that some people have more skin in the game that others. I tend to disagree as I do not think property owners are protected in our cities and counties. It may have been a great idea to say that an owner was more educated than a non-owner. I think that voting should be by unique ID.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2020 06:55 PM (JFO2v)

383 You're saying I shouldn't have the right to vote?
---There is no such thing as a "right" to vote.
Voting is a process that is part of our current form of government, and as such is merely a privilege of this system.

Posted by: Methos at January 21, 2020 06:56 PM (kOpft)

384 Apropos of nothing, before Prohibition, Hard Cider was a much more popular beverage than beer. Because the varieties of apples used to make cider are not really suitable for eating, the number of cider apple trees was vastly reduced during prohibition, having no other commercial use. Because it takes years to grow apple trees back, when Prohibition was repealed, brewing beer was much quicker to start back. And so, American tastes changed and Cider never recovered it's popularity.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2020 06:56 PM (yQpMk)

385 That's four votes, and when I think about it, this actually how this should work.

*cough*math*cough*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 21, 2020 06:56 PM (HaL55)

386 https://tinyurl.com/u3cdw9b
Mark Levin Twiitter
Free download of him making case for Trump

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2020 06:56 PM (ZCEU2)

387 And thank you TR for giving us the gift of Wilson. Blast his face off of Rushmore and replace it with trump.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2020 06:29 PM (dNzKv)

Taft was an unpopular President who had to use Hillary-esque levels of party machinery manipulation to take the nomination from TR in 1912. He would have lost to Wilson anyway.

In states that held primaries, TR won decisively, and going into the convention he had twice as many delegates as Taft, only losing in the end because of some idiotic decisions by the Republican National Committee.

In the general election, TR actually came in second; the only third party candidate in history to do so. Had he been the Republican nominee he certainly would have won; he was just as popular in the Republican states that were manipulated into nominating Taft as he was in the ones that held primaries, while the reverse certainly was not the case.

Shame on Taft for trying to hang on past his expiration date.

Posted by: HTL at January 21, 2020 06:56 PM (on1DJ)

388 I think women are hardwired to care about security above freedom, especially when they have babies in the nest.

If they don't get a sense of security from a mate, they'll seek it from government.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

----

Totally true.

Think of it in ancient context: If a woman is in her village, taking care of her young ones, and her husband is off at war... and he LOSES that war...

The invaders come into the village; they walk into her hut and say, "You belong to me now."

Does the woman fight? That's not too common.

Women have always been CLAIMED by invaders. How often did they ever rebel?

Security. Keep the kids alive.

Posted by: RKae at January 21, 2020 06:56 PM (zuo55)

389 In the general election, TR actually came in second; the only third party candidate in history to do so. Had he been the Republican nominee he certainly would have won; he was just as popular in the Republican states that were manipulated into nominating Taft as he was in the ones that held primaries, while the reverse certainly was not the case.

Except TR was a pretty out-front Progressive who believed in using the power of the government to stomp on the "malefactors of great wealth."

We might not have had the Red Scare or the Palmer Raids with TR, but we would have been dragged into WWI and we would have had most of Wilson's Progressive lunacy, too.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 21, 2020 06:59 PM (Ki5SV)

390 My AP history teacher was the coolest teacher I ever had. Small thin guy with an outstanding handle bar mustache. Always wore tweed jackets with elbow patches.

On June 6th he showed up in the uniform he had worn on D-Day. He had been a Ranger at Point Du Hoc.

He told his story of that day to each of his classes every June 6th. In my class you could have heard a pin drop when he finished. And we had carpeted floors.

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at January 21, 2020 07:00 PM (B06Zw)

391 Women that run education treat boys as if they are simply defective girls.

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This, this, a thousand times this!

Posted by: RKae at January 21, 2020 07:00 PM (zuo55)

392 There is a good documentary KKK vs mafia on the subject. on the military channel (better known as the hitler channel for all you neo-nazis!)

Posted by: raimondo at January 21, 2020 07:00 PM (MwLSj)

393 But Uncle Joe Biden told us that we could just drink and watch Oprah and Teh View and he would take care of the rest. *hic*

Posted by: Wine Moms at January 21, 2020 07:02 PM (EgshT)

394 Janean Rankin voted against both world wars thanks to women's suffrage. Some states alowed women to vote and hold office before 1920. I once herd Rankin speak at an anti war rally.

Posted by: raimondo at January 21, 2020 07:04 PM (MwLSj)

395 Soothsayer, the Arbuckle/Keaton/bulldog film was hilarious. Those were the days.

Posted by: Eromero at January 21, 2020 07:05 PM (UUkQp)

396 263
We should turn over governance to AI.

I AGREE

Posted by: COLOSSUS at January 21, 2020 07:06 PM (sGtp+)

397

Posted by: Eromero at January 21, 2020 07:07 PM (UUkQp)

398 Dang, I got up to 'freshen' my drink and stepped into an alternate universe.

Posted by: Eromero at January 21, 2020 07:08 PM (UUkQp)

399 Dang, I got up to 'freshen' my drink and stepped into an alternate universe.
Posted by: Eromero

---

Homemaker's hint: Make sure you put tape on the mirrors in your house, so you don't accidentally walk through them.

Posted by: RKae at January 21, 2020 07:10 PM (zuo55)

400 Except TR was a pretty out-front Progressive who believed in using the power of the government to stomp on the "malefactors of great wealth."

We might not have had the Red Scare or the Palmer Raids with TR, but we would have been dragged into WWI and we would have had most of Wilson's Progressive lunacy, too.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 21, 2020 06:59 PM (Ki5SV)

There is no doubt that, for his time, TR was a progressive. However, taken in context, his progressivism was mild compared to that of today, and certainly less than that of the Democrat Wilson. Also, the great monopolists really did need to be taken down a notch or we'd all be living in company towns today and politics would still be a "smoke-filled back room" sport. I remember J.P. Morgan's plaintive/whiny lament "why can't my man just fix it up with your man?"

Also, if TR had taken us into WWI, it would have been earlier and probably to greater effect. The Germans would have been defeated before they had the great idea of releasing Lenin into the wilds of Russia, and the Versailles Treaty would not have been so suicidally punitive. So we might have actually been spared WW2.

Advantage: TR

Finally, you still haven't advanced an argument as to why Fatty McFatterton was justified in clinging to the Republican nomination like it was a roasted chicken leg, despite the fact that after four years nobody except the party apparatchiks actually wanted him.

Posted by: HTL at January 21, 2020 07:15 PM (on1DJ)

401 Piss off, racist foreign lackwit.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 21, 2020 07:22 PM (yQpMk)

402 Hell, I'm a guy, and I'd consider giving up the vote if the government was tiny and didn't infect my life the way it does no. Let it control, well, very little that touched the daily lives of most citizens and who cares about the vote?

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at January 21, 2020 07:28 PM (llwbK)

403 354. squirrely dan gets defensive when the subject of wife beating comes up.

Posted by: kallisto at January 21, 2020 07:36 PM (uVmqw)

404 "I'm not defending prohibition and I'm most certainly not arguing that women should have been denied the vote, but..."

I'll argue the second.
But, more importantly, I would argue that NOONE who is a scold should be allowed to vote. Ever. Simply stating that "there oughta be a law!" and then advocating legal prohibition or age limits (above that of "an adult") should immediately remove your right to vote for at least 6 months, and eliminate you from running for office until after the next appropriate election.

Posted by: GWB at January 21, 2020 07:40 PM (n5+VT)

405 And America has trended left ever since we gave women the vote.

Posted by: SkylerKat at January 21, 2020 05:49 PM (SXIn9)

Actually, most of the progressives who set the hooks in America were men, and those hooks were set prior to 1919.

But, blame WW1. It's the cause of a LOT of bad things.

Posted by: GWB at January 21, 2020 07:41 PM (n5+VT)

406 I once herd Rankin

moo

Posted by: deplorable unperson at January 21, 2020 07:51 PM (gPk/0)

407 So, Buck, this is an entanglement of hooch and coochie? Making for hoochie-coochie?

Posted by: GWB at January 21, 2020 07:51 PM (n5+VT)

408 I am old enough to know I neednt comment on the vast improvements to society and everyday life sufferage has wrought.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 21, 2020 06:04 PM (sox4v)

The wife's looking over your shoulder, isn't she?

Posted by: GWB at January 21, 2020 08:06 PM (n5+VT)

409 403 354. squirrely dan gets defensive when the subject of wife beating comes up.
Posted by: kallisto at January 21, 2020 07:36 PM (uVmqw)

Most Women can't argue the points in good faith if at all and always make it personal. So tiresome and predictable, thanks for proving most men right. Hence, giving the women the right to vote was a mistake.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 08:13 PM (gQ1nd)

410 Would have killed a LOT of Federal Power grabs over the last century.

Posted by: Don Q at January 21, 2020 06:12 PM (NgKpN)

Not necessarily. The problem was when the federal gov't got the money, the states eventually figured out they could pass a LOT of the buck right up to Washington DC and let THEM pay for it.
I think you have to tie the two (16th and 17th) together to kill those power grabs.

Posted by: GWB at January 21, 2020 08:15 PM (n5+VT)

411 You'd have to be one raggedy-ass drunk to drink bourbon, scotch, and beer at the same sitting.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 21, 2020 06:27 PM (NWiLs)

Multiple times, as he orders it from the barkeep in every verse, and I think twice in the last one.

Posted by: GWB at January 21, 2020 08:30 PM (n5+VT)

412 Giving women the vote and outlawing spanking at the same time was the big mistake.

Posted by: not so at January 21, 2020 06:33 PM (HALdu)

WINNER!!!!

Posted by: GWB at January 21, 2020 08:34 PM (n5+VT)

413 Figure most would be dead by now. Not too many 18 yr olds in 1920 still kicking.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2020 06:34 PM (Lsu/B)

Think about it..... .....

Posted by: GWB at January 21, 2020 08:36 PM (n5+VT)

414 I believe the Founders knew and understood history
much better than PC Current Year America, and they had good reasons to
deny the right to vote to women.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 21, 2020 06:52 PM (gQ1nd)

Except they DID NOT. The Constitution does not in any way directly discriminate against women. That was entirely on individual states. Like so many progressive goals, this one was gradually winning in the states, but it had to be NATIONAL! because it wasn't fast enough.

Posted by: GWB at January 21, 2020 08:51 PM (n5+VT)

415 Prohibition and Suffrage are linked because they were Republican initiatives.

and the Republican party of the 1800s / early 1900s was the radical and progressive party in the United States.

Posted by: furor kek tonicus at January 21, 2020 11:49 PM (iyzH+)

416 With the institution of prohibition the Federal government lost a major source of income via the excise tax on alcohol. The establishment of an income tax provided a replacement tax, one that became a gold mine for politicians to enlarge their fortunes often figuratively but all too often literally.

Posted by: Cycle Cyril at January 22, 2020 07:49 AM (iaAp4)

417 Repeal the 19th...And make me a sandwich!

Posted by: TWB at January 22, 2020 01:54 PM (Yk+6W)

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