Mid-Morning Art Thread: Postmodernism Is Dead. It's The Remodern Era. [Richard Bledsoe*]

Emin Bed1.jpg
Tracey Emin: "My Bed"

When Andrew Breitbart stated, “Politics is downstream from culture,” he was echoing an earlier visionary: mystical artist William Blake, who proclaimed “Empire follows art and not vice versa.” We are currently suffering the consequences of a terrible trajectory: long-marching elitists have weaponized contemporary art into an assault on the foundations of Western civilization.

The systematic undermining of the arts were a prerequisite for the Marxist goal of cultural disintegration. Before elitists began decreeing blatantly absurd claims such as mere words can magically transform men into women, or that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, our cultural institutions replaced art with artifice. What they call “art” is an empty mimicry, lacking substance and significance.

This is the clumsy power grab of Postmodernism. Postmodernism is an irrational BAMN belief system which asserts ruling elites can alter reality through the sorcery of sophistry, and deny out of existence the eternal chains of cause and effect. Postmodernists have overlaid reality with an artificial construct, dominated by their own peculiar skillsets for lying, bullying, virtue signaling, and ass kissing. Under this totalitarian network, conformity is mandatory for advancement opportunities. Actual innovation and creativity threaten the controlled spoils system Postmodernists depend on.

The visual arts are in a crisis of relevance due to the Postmodern establishment’s efforts to exterminate genuine artistic experiences. Through administrative malfeasance, our society is denied the inspiration to live up to ideals, the encouragement to think and feel deeply, the yearning to harmonize with truth and beauty. They need us to stay passive, distracted and shallow. Postmodern art is a tool of oppression.

Postmodernism is the consensus worldview of the New Aristocracy of the Well Connected. But far from being an unassailable citadel, Postmodernism is also the reason their hierarchy is failing. Hollowed out by their own corrupt pretensions, their would-be tool of domination is destroying them.

Enduring changes start in the arts. Today, around the world, people are rising up against governing class arrogance, incompetence, and treachery. This seismic global phenomenon was foretold by a grassroots art movement.

In 2000, two English painters, Charles Thomson and Billy Childish, codified what they called Remodernism, an insurgency against the manipulative and destructive Postmodern status quo. Remodernism acknowledges the purpose of art: an inclusive means of spiritual communion and connection. This inspiring message is particularly in sync with the values of the United States.

Remodernism is the latest iteration of the American character: ordinary people working as explorers and inventors, optimistic, self-reliant and productive. A Remodernist artist formulates expressions of personal liberty to convey higher meaning, personal growth, and connectivity.

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Billy Childish: "Wading Out"

Remodernism sees art as a conduit for shareable moments of beauty, enjoyment, comprehension, and truth. Assembling these elements together approaches a state of grace, the ultimate expression of the love bestowed on us by our Creator. We are called to follow His example.

The Left never expected a counter attack to come from the arts. They thought they had successfully destroyed our legacies, and stifled the wisdom of our traditions. However, the human instinct for art is stronger than the power games of a greedy and fraudulent ruling class.

The best thing is the Remodern means of attack is not by destruction, but by creation. We have out-evolved them. This is our moment in the mighty continuum of art and life. Remodernism accepts the responsibility for creating a new art for this dynamic era, art that accurately shows who we are, and what we can be.

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*Richard Bledsoe is an artist and an advocate of Remodernism. Even better, he and his wife read AoSHQ, and some of you may remember that he and his family did a fine version of Gordon Ramsey's Beef Wellington!

He is the author of Remodern America: How the Renewal of the Arts Will Change the Course of Western Civilization


Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM




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1 OT: first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 09:30 AM (q80AH)

2 Teenager's bedroom? In particular the one in the pond?

Posted by: henry at January 22, 2020 09:31 AM (JMDly)

3 Not real feminist. No period stain.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 22, 2020 09:32 AM (JFO2v)

4 Wading in an oil slick.

Posted by: BignJames at January 22, 2020 09:33 AM (X/Pw5)

5 Is the top one just a photo of a slob's room?

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at January 22, 2020 09:33 AM (muI26)

6 100 comment rule. [CBD]

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 22, 2020 09:33 AM (8dJG7)

7 th.

Hiya

Posted by: FloridaMan at January 22, 2020 09:33 AM (fZzG9)

8 Find the dildo?

Posted by: BignJames at January 22, 2020 09:34 AM (X/Pw5)

9 When we're talking about modern/postmodern, does anyone know if the terms are applied in a similar way in the art world as they are in the philosophical world? Like, do they actually mean the same things? Or did the art world take the terms from philosophy/culture and just use them to describe what was happening in their spheres with little reference to the actual intellectual developments that were happening.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 22, 2020 09:34 AM (KUaJL)

10 How'd those sneaky bastards get a picture of my bedroom?
*tears house apart looking for hidden cameras*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 22, 2020 09:34 AM (NWiLs)

11 Wading in an oil slick.

-
It's a metaphor for impeachment.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 22, 2020 09:34 AM (+y/Ru)

12 Guess Mom never made her clean her room. How the heck did she get up without stepping on something?

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at January 22, 2020 09:35 AM (B06Zw)

13 Interesting. Lots of jargon in the write-up, but nevertheless.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at January 22, 2020 09:35 AM (H8QX8)

14 9 When we're talking about modern/postmodern, does anyone know if the terms are applied in a similar way in the art world as they are in the philosophical world? Like, do they actually mean the same things? Or did the art world take the terms from philosophy/culture and just use them to describe what was happening in their spheres with little reference to the actual intellectual developments that were happening.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 22, 2020 09:34 AM (KUaJL)

==========

Snarky response that does not advance the conversation or answer your question.
-Post-re-pre-modernist humor of the new generation

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 09:35 AM (q80AH)

15 Where's the pile of dead batteries, if you get my drift?

Posted by: Gref at January 22, 2020 09:35 AM (AMIL/)

16 Wow, someone paid for that? BRB

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:35 AM (iBBEC)

17 Tube of KY. What is the Persona box??

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 22, 2020 09:35 AM (JFO2v)

18 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 22, 2020 09:33 AM (8dJG7)

Thank you. I'm working on it. The ash heap keeps growing, unfortunately. But I'm still digging.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 22, 2020 09:36 AM (NWiLs)

19 That bed is nasty.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 22, 2020 09:36 AM (lwiT4)

20 100 comment rule. [CBD]

Posted by: JT at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM (arJlL)

21 At the Art Institute of Chicago, maybe 20 years ago, in that huge downtown building on Michigan Avenue, I once saw:

a singe sheet of blank 8.5x11 paper on the wall.

I tried to take a photo for a record, but a Security Guard stopped me. I missed my chance for a "Print" of this precious work.

Posted by: FloridaMan at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM (fZzG9)

22 I don't think you wanna pull back the fitted sheet.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM (iBBEC)

23 14 Snarky response that does not advance the conversation or answer your question.
-Post-re-pre-modernist humor of the new generation
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 09:35 AM (q80AH)

"Buruber wit a side of ches."

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM (sm6Pk)

24 In Dean Koontz' novel From the Corner of His Eye, the villain is obsessed with the idea that the purpose of art is to disgust. You know, like the purpose of politics.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM (+y/Ru)

25 disturbingly beautiful painting.

the colors and the light (perhaps just my monitor, or so-far only half cup of coffee) are a strange and ominous blend, too bright and too dark at the same time. Almost reminds me of Munch.

But beautifully executed, and perhaps a good fit for what the new movement is trying to do: wade out into the sludge (and change things).

More power to them; it's about time

Posted by: barbarausa at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM (W7IZQ)

26 The "Wading Out" painting reminds me of the marbling process for making fancy book pages.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM (NWiLs)

27 Oh look. a black light.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM (iBBEC)

28 Who's Tracey Emin and why do I care what her bed looks like?

Posted by: Tami at January 22, 2020 09:38 AM (cF8AT)

29 "Remodernism sees art as a conduit for shareable moments of beauty,
enjoyment, comprehension, and truth. Assembling these elements together
approaches a state of grace, the ultimate expression of the love
bestowed on us by our Creator. We are called to follow His example"


I like that.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 22, 2020 09:38 AM (lwiT4)

30 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 22, 2020 09:38 AM (arJlL)

31 The "Wading Out" painting reminds me of the marbling process for making fancy book pages.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM

Looks like a redneck "noodling".

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:38 AM (iBBEC)

32 Would not hang.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 09:38 AM (wiXsO)

33


Lacks bananas.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at January 22, 2020 09:39 AM (lHr8/)

34 Art related.

Always remember, that banana that was duct taped to a was and sold for $150k, is a rotted, slimy mess now.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 09:39 AM (Jk+3L)

35 32 Would not hang.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 09:38 AM (wiXsO)

=========

How would you hang a messy bed anyway?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 09:39 AM (q80AH)

36 In the background of Wading Out I think I see a Balrog.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 09:39 AM (C+We0)

37 Great post, CBD. I'd almost include Sabo in that, too. His art is waking a lot of people on the Left Coast up to the evils of Progressivism.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 22, 2020 09:39 AM (HaL55)

38 Education! Yay!

Improving the commonly recognized technical foundations of art would also help improve artists expression of whatever their vision might be. This Billy Childish piece is not an instance, but lots of artists, for example, seemingly can't draw very well.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 22, 2020 09:39 AM (LISuA)

39 I know that's not my bedroom. Way too neat...

Posted by: Brother Cavil
Is Team Resurgo taking applications?
at January 22, 2020 09:40 AM (Rvlwi)

40 My second thought, after where are the dead batteries:

It's very sad.

Posted by: Gref at January 22, 2020 09:40 AM (AMIL/)

41

Over/under on the number of dead hookers under the bed?

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at January 22, 2020 09:41 AM (lHr8/)

42 100 comment rule. [CBD]

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 22, 2020 09:41 AM (CjFDo)

43 Not enough stains

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 22, 2020 09:41 AM (1g7ch)

44 Imagine brining that picture home to your spouse. Look honey, a messy bed! Wife...Yea, have a live shot upstairs in our room. Take it back.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:41 AM (iBBEC)

45 Great post, CBD. I'd almost include Sabo in that, too. His art is waking a lot of people on the Left Coast up to the evils of Progressivism.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 22, 2020 09:39 AM (HaL55)

Prepare to boot up and suit up.

Posted by: Ha at January 22, 2020 09:42 AM (NSFCQ)

46 The same push has happened in all media. The latest Disney Star Wars trilogy is a perfect example of post-modern deconstruction.

Posted by: grognard at January 22, 2020 09:42 AM (sb+Cg)

47 Wherever that piece of bed "art" is displayed, I'm sure there is a nice bunch of word salad nearby to describe its significance as a work of art.

Posted by: Vendette at January 22, 2020 09:42 AM (tX5RF)

48 Tracey Emin is a slob.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 09:42 AM (wiXsO)

49 Not enough stains
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 22, 2020 09:41 AM

Just don't turn on the black light and you'll still feel that way.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:42 AM (iBBEC)

50 100 comment rule. [CBD]

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 22, 2020 09:43 AM (CjFDo)

51 Ewww! If Tracy was over the age of 17 when she made that I am even more disgusted.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 09:43 AM (bDqIh)

52 I know I can appreciate the painting by Billy Childish

(aside: If he'd lived in the Wild West, would he have called himself "The Childish Kid"?)

a lot better than I can a photo of an unmade and very untidy bed. Actually it doesn't really look like a real bed, but a model of one; in which case it's very well done.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 09:43 AM (Ejm1K)

53 Oh, that's a duct taped banana alright.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:43 AM (iBBEC)

54 Where's Vibrator?

Posted by: Waldo at January 22, 2020 09:44 AM (DDeWs)

55 Search YouTube for the late Roger Scruton's "Why Beauty Matters." It is an hour well spent.

Posted by: butch at January 22, 2020 09:44 AM (0APJ3)

56 I thought FOR CERTAIN Emin would have blue hair and all the rest. I was wrong.

She married a rock.
https://tinyurl.com/tqey3zj

Posted by: Flyover at January 22, 2020 09:44 AM (Rbu5d)

57 Destroying post-modernism would be huge.

Yuge.

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2020 09:44 AM (QLPEO)

58 Wakes up.
Scratches.
Looks around.
Dang. Out of the barrel and the first thing I see is a painting worthy of that space on the south wall in there.
**shudders**
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 22, 2020 09:44 AM (axyOa)

59 From Wiki:

Charles Saatchi, who was best known as the most high-profile, high-spending collector of contemporary British art, bought My Bed (199 for 150,000 ($248,000) from Lehmann Maupin's "Every Part of Me's Bleeding," the exhibition that won the artist a nomination for the 1999 Turner Prize.



Huh. That's a damned pricey bed.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 09:45 AM (C+We0)

60 I spy a stuffed poodle.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (wiXsO)

61 Oh, and thanks to Richard Bledsoe too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (HaL55)

62
Visual art isn't my forte, but classical music is. Artists in that genre seem to think that even if they flaunt their contempt for their audience they'll still be supported. Very few businesses can afford to hate their customers. The arts isn't among them.

100 years ago if you wanted to listen to fine music you would have to go to a concert hall or an opera house. 50 years ago that experience could be had on a bulky, degradable medium (LPs and tape). Today I can access a vast array of glorious music, far broader and deeper than that performed live today, without leaving my house at a cost of about $100 a year, less than a good ticket to a single night at the symphony.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (7rVsF)

63 Fantasy author Terry Goodkind, while a bit of a Randian, covers artistic-beauty-as-anti-Marxist in Faith of the Fallen.

Posted by: grognard at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (sb+Cg)

64 I can't find the vagina scented candle. This is a hard puzzle.

Posted by: Roy at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (DDeWs)

65 You don't have to destroy Post-Modernism. Just ignore it and move on culturally. Pay them no more attention.

I actually think that's effectively happening, it's just the media again keeping zombie ideas - and actual zombies in some cases - alive.

great essay thanks CBD

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (Rarvo)

66 "remodernism sees art as a conduit for sharing moments of beauty, enjoyment, comprehension, and truth. assembling these elements together approaches a state of grace..."

you might have been discussing james turret's work. he's not a remodernist or even a painter, but his work with light can achieve the transcendent. interestingly, he's also a quaker and has been influenced by his faith to some degree. apparently.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (Pg+x7)

67 Oh, and more...

At another Christie's auction in 2014, My Bed was sold to White Cube founding director Jay Jopling for 2.5 million pounds, including buyer's commission, once again to benefit the Saatchi Gallery's foundation. It was estimated that the price of My Bed would sell between 800,000 and 1.2 million pounds. Before the sale, Emin said that "what I would really love is that someone did buy it and they donated it to the Tate."

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 09:47 AM (C+We0)

68 Inspirational essay and I love the painting!

Posted by: Texicanette at January 22, 2020 09:47 AM (gou4q)

69 james turrell, not turret. gdam splchk.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 09:47 AM (Pg+x7)

70 Those tan things on the floor by the bed: Are they slippers, or brushes of some kind?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 09:47 AM (Ejm1K)

71 >>. . .The best thing is the Remodern means of attack is not by destruction,
but by creation. We have out-evolved them. This is our moment in the
mighty continuum of art and life. Remodernism accepts the responsibility
for creating a new art for this dynamic era, art that accurately shows
who we are, and what we can be.


Interesting and encouraging!
Spend 30 min or so on Instagram and you will find many regular people far more talented than Tracy Emin. Just on that site alone there are millions of people scouting out what is beautiful in the ordinary, in their homeland, in their travels and wanting to share it with the world. Bet it's far more influential than, say, some NYC gallery showing work such as Tracy's.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 09:48 AM (bDqIh)

72 It's no man holding a book.

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2020 09:48 AM (QLPEO)

73
Oh, and just to add, I can enjoy all that without some puffed-up artiste telling lecturing me about how great they are and how horrible I am.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 22, 2020 09:48 AM (7rVsF)

74 100 comment rule. [CBD]

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 22, 2020 09:49 AM (LxWV7)

75 Abstract Expressionism destroyed modern painting.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 22, 2020 09:49 AM (E+OcO)

76 ... james turrell is probably my fav living artist.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 09:49 AM (Pg+x7)

77 Isn't the Tate where Yoko released a jar of flies?

I wouldn't put this thing in as part of a permanent collection, but it is a snapshot of where Emin was at a very bad moment in her life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv04ewpiqSc

I don't like it, but I think I get it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 22, 2020 09:49 AM (Dc2NZ)

78 The "Wading Out" painting reminds me of the covers Ballantine Books used to run up for their science fiction books in the '60s and '70s. Though those were even more surreal.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 09:49 AM (Ejm1K)

79 Absolute vodka bottles and KY jelly. Definitely not the otters room.

Posted by: Howard Johnson at January 22, 2020 09:50 AM (jPtGI)

80 >>Before the sale, Emin said that "what I would really love is that someone did buy it and they donated it to the Tate."


Isn't the Tate Modern not doing all that well because no one wants to see its ugly collection?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 09:50 AM (bDqIh)

81 Visual art isn't my forte, but classical music is.
Artists in that genre seem to think that even if they flaunt their
contempt for their audience they'll still be supported. Very few
businesses can afford to hate their customers. The arts isn't among
them.



100 years ago if you wanted to listen to fine music you would have
to go to a concert hall or an opera house. 50 years ago that experience
could be had on a bulky, degradable medium (LPs and tape). Today I can
access a vast array of glorious music, far broader and deeper than that
performed live today, without leaving my house at a cost of about $100 a
year, less than a good ticket to a single night at the symphony.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (7rVsF)

I remember years ago going to the Kennedy Center to watch the NSO. The evening was classical music until the last piece, which was a modern that included sirens. It was easy to tell the audience was repulsed by it, and it was such a jarring way to end the evening given what came before it.

Posted by: Vendette at January 22, 2020 09:50 AM (tX5RF)

82 Strange, I don't see any used condoms in "My Bed"? Odd that.

Posted by: dantesed at January 22, 2020 09:50 AM (88xKn)

83 Tracey Emin: "My Bed"

My first thought was that someone (probably WeirdDave) was pulling my leg, which was confirmed when I scrolled down to the actual art of the kid wading thru oily water.

Thanks, RichardBledsoe! I'm learning stuff today.

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2020 09:50 AM (NAs56)

84 The Bangining.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:51 AM (iBBEC)

85 65 You don't have to destroy Post-Modernism. Just ignore it and move on culturally. Pay them no more attention.
I actually think that's effectively happening, it's just the media again keeping zombie ideas - and actual zombies in some cases - alive......
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (Rarvo)


Is it also not our tax dollars via the National Endowment for the Arts keeping this crap afloat?

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 22, 2020 09:51 AM (kUmUV)

86
I read some years ago about a rebellious, underground art school in New York that taught scandalous notions about drawing and perspective with rigor.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 22, 2020 09:51 AM (7rVsF)

87 She married a rock.
https://tinyurl.com/tqey3zj
Posted by: Flyover at January 22, 2020 09:44 AM (Rbu5d)

Took her a few years to find a blind one, it seems.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 22, 2020 09:51 AM (LxWV7)

88 I don't really know a lot about art, but I know crap when I see it. I see crap.

Posted by: huerfano at January 22, 2020 09:51 AM (9dnxb)

89 Tracy is a pig

Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 09:51 AM (ONvIw)

90 I remember years ago going to the Kennedy Center to watch the NSO. The evening was classical music until the last piece, which was a modern that included sirens. It was easy to tell the audience was repulsed by it, and it was such a jarring way to end the evening given what came before it.
Posted by: Vendette at January 22, 2020


*
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Concertgoers had much the same reaction, I've read, to Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" when it premiered. Not that I'm suggesting sirens will some day become an accepted part of symphony orchestras.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 09:52 AM (Ejm1K)

91 The legal scholars of the left are pushing 2 dangerous notions during the impeachment ( other than the impeachment itself)

1: hearsay is more relevant than direct testimony

2: if you don't willingly submit to a search, you are guilty of all accused crimes.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 22, 2020 09:52 AM (dNzKv)

92 85 65 You don't have to destroy Post-Modernism. Just ignore it and move on culturally. Pay them no more attention.
I actually think that's effectively happening, it's just the media again keeping zombie ideas - and actual zombies in some cases - alive......
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 22, 2020 09:46 AM (Rarvo)

Is it also not our tax dollars via the National Endowment for the Arts keeping this crap afloat?
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 22, 2020 09:51 AM (kUmUV)

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I thought it was predominantly rich people using the purchasing of whatever art critics called good as status symbols that was the main driver of this stuff these days.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 09:52 AM (q80AH)

93 I like a lot of the graffiti art out there. I don't know if that's remodernization but the artists are concerned with technical ability as much as they are with the esoteric portion of the art.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 09:52 AM (VzbI8)

94
Asylum Seeker - a limerick

I wanted to like it. I tried
But reality cannot be denied
Installation piece "My Bed"
Turned the art world on its head
But the "artist" has been Serta-fied!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 22, 2020 09:52 AM (m45I2)

95 I'm glad there's finally some pushback against Communist Postmodernism, but we still have lots of art from the past that could be shown instead of that PoMo dreck.

Why don't we see more of the classics in public places? Does all art really need to be new to be culturally relevant these days?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 22, 2020 09:53 AM (HaL55)

96
Concertgoers had much the same reaction, I've read, to Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" when it premiered.

The uproar was more due to Nijinsky's choreography than Stravinsky's music.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 22, 2020 09:53 AM (7rVsF)

97 Getting a definite Van Gogh vibe from the actual work of art here.

The other is just something that my mother would have screamed at me about.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 22, 2020 09:53 AM (Boy/L)

98 That girl is a P I G Pig!

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 22, 2020 09:53 AM (JFO2v)

99 No bewbs. Not even rapey trees. Goes for covefe.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:54 AM (iBBEC)

100 I wanted to like it. I tried
But reality cannot be denied
Installation piece "My Bed"
Turned the art world on its head
But the "artist" has been Serta-fied!
Posted by: Muldoon at January 22, 2020 09:52 AM (m45I2)

Tres cute, but Tracy is still a pig

Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 09:54 AM (ONvIw)

101 The French Art Academy shit on Impressionism for quite a while until they surrendered. I love early impressionism and post Impressionism but maybe they had a point.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 09:55 AM (VzbI8)

102 91 The legal scholars of the left are pushing 2 dangerous notions during the impeachment ( other than the impeachment itself)

1: hearsay is more relevant than direct testimony

2: if you don't willingly submit to a search, you are guilty of all accused crimes.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 22, 2020 09:52 AM (dNzKv)

Between the show trials and the Bernie boys call for murder and gulags, the dems are truly Bolsheviks.

Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 09:55 AM (ONvIw)

103 I thought it was predominantly rich people using the purchasing of whatever art critics called good as status symbols that was the main driver of this stuff these days.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 09:52 AM (q80AH)


Could very well be, I don't follow it closely at all. I've always viewed funding for the NEA exactly the same as I do funding for public broadcasting. Just a scam to funnel my money to people that hate me.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 22, 2020 09:55 AM (kUmUV)

104 Cool, over 100 comments.

Congratulations to Sunny-dee and family for the birth of their new baby girl!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (oBfF8)

105 Isn't the Tate where Yoko released a jar of flies?

Where did the flies come from ?

Posted by: JT at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (arJlL)

106 Thanks to Richard Bledsoe for informed commentary.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (y7DUB)

107 99 No bewbs. Not even rapey trees. Goes for covefe.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:54 AM (iBBEC)

Sad fisherman sailing off to war while a sad Jesus looks on solemnly from a dilapidated village.

The three things that make art (fishermen, war, and religion), consolidated.

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (sm6Pk)

108 Charles Saatchi...bought My Bed for 150,000

Kind of seems like the "book deal" scam, doesn't it?

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (lK7fO)

109 Concertgoers had much the same reaction, I've read, to Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" when it premiered.

The uproar was more due to Nijinsky's choreography than Stravinsky's music.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 22, 2020


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Philistine that I am, I'll always connect the "Creation of the Earth/Death of the Dinosaurs" section of Disney's Fantasia with "The Rite of Spring."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (Ejm1K)

110 >>She married a rock.

https://tinyurl.com/tqey3zj



She's an attention whore con artist.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (bDqIh)

111
Could very well be, I don't follow it closely at all. I've always viewed funding for the NEA exactly the same as I do funding for public broadcasting. Just a scam to funnel my money to people that hate me.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 22, 2020 09:55 AM (kUmUV)

Pretty much, and we give plenty of grants to foreigners, so that they can say "FU USA". NEA should really go

Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (ONvIw)

112 As for pic of the bed, I expect gal's bed to be a bit more tidy than frat boy chic.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (oBfF8)

113 Where did the flies come from ?


When a man fly really loves a woman fly....

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (QLPEO)

114 Tulsa Gabbard is suing Hillary Clinton for defamation. Clinton called Gabbard a Russian asset.

https://t.co/3jE0hepSqY?amp=1

Posted by: bonhomme at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (i0wNm)

115 110 >>She married a rock.

https://tinyurl.com/tqey3zj



She's an attention whore con artist.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (bDqIh)

She'd make a good politician then.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 22, 2020 09:57 AM (NWiLs)

116 Thanks to Richard Bledsoe for informed commentary.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM

What did Tempest have to say?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 09:57 AM (iBBEC)

117 Isn't the Tate where Yoko released a jar of flies?

Where did the flies come from ?
Posted by: JT at January 22, 2020


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I don't think I want to know.

Actually, I'm sure I don't want to know.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 09:57 AM (Ejm1K)

118 I tried to take a photo for a record, but a Security Guard stopped me. I missed my chance for a "Print" of this precious work.





Posted by: FloridaMan at January 22, 2020 09:37 AM (fZzG9)

It was an exact visual replica of John Cage's masterpiece "4:33".

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at January 22, 2020 09:57 AM (IttZ7)

119 108 Charles Saatchi...bought My Bed for 150,000

Kind of seems like the "book deal" scam, doesn't it?
Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2020 09:56 AM (lK7fO)

All the KY jelly and Marlboros must be for him

Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 09:58 AM (ONvIw)

120 3 Not real feminist. No period stain.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 22, 2020 09:32 AM (JFO2v)

Don't be so sure.


When she finally emerged from her downward spiral, Emin gazed upon what her drunkenness and depression had wrought. The bed spoke volumes. The rumpled and stained sheets were a testimony not to a good night's sleep, but to despair. Next to the bed, piles of junk from her daily life. Empty bottles of vodka. A pair of dirty slippers. Cartons of cigarettes and other trash. A pair of panties soiled with menstrual blood. A container of birth control pills. Condoms.

A normal person would have wrapped all the trash up in the dirty sheets and thrown the whole lot in the rubbish bin (as they call it in Waterloo). But Tracey Emin was not then, and is not now, a normal person. As she recovered from her depressive bender, Emin had an interesting and unexpected thought: "This is art. I've created a work of art."

Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 09:58 AM (VYwSh)

121 Great post, CBD. I'd almost include Sabo in that,
too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 22, 2020 09:39 AM (HaL55)

I didn't write it! And I agree about Sabo.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Brutal Statist at January 22, 2020 09:58 AM (wYseH)

122 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 22, 2020 09:52 AM (dNzKv)


Dangerous totalitarians.


And they are always one election away from power.


Posted by: Ha at January 22, 2020 09:58 AM (NSFCQ)

123 >>The legal scholars of the left are pushing 2 dangerous notions during the impeachment ( other than the impeachment itself)



1: hearsay is more relevant than direct testimony



2: if you don't willingly submit to a search, you are guilty of all accused crimes.
- -- - -

Also: Presumption of *guilt* not innocence, you do not have the right to face your accuser. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 09:59 AM (bDqIh)

124 if you don't willingly submit to a search, you are guilty of all accused crimes.

"Search" my ass. Hey, give us all you stuff including your tax returns because we totally don't just construct narratives out of benign bullshit.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 22, 2020 09:59 AM (Boy/L)

125 As she recovered from her depressive bender, Emin had an interesting and unexpected thought: "This is art. I've created a work of art."
Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 09:58 AM (VYwSh)

Delusional, Tracy you created a sty, because you are a pig

Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 09:59 AM (ONvIw)

126 What they call "art" is an empty mimicry.
*coughs*

Posted by: The Last Jedi at January 22, 2020 09:59 AM (kOpft)

127 She made a little model of her messy bed? Yeah, sign me up for that! And the Billy Childish painting is groovy.

Welcome to Wednesday, Horde. We're slogging our way up that hill and we'll make it to the top.

Posted by: joncelli: No Greenland, no peace at January 22, 2020 10:00 AM (RD7QR)

128 Ayn Rand was remarkably prescient when it came to the arts.

She completely understood how, through careful manipulation of public opinion, the grotesque could be made to seem avante garde and only those who lacked intellectual sophistication were unable to see the brilliance of the contained by the decadence.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:00 AM (oBfF8)

129 43 Not enough stains

At first I read that as 'Not enough sins'

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at January 22, 2020 10:01 AM (lHr8/)

130 125 As she recovered from her depressive bender, Emin had an interesting and unexpected thought: "This is art. I've created a work of art."
Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 09:58 AM (VYwSh)

Delusional, Tracy you created a sty, because you are a pig
----
But this art is from 1999. And yet, we still talk about it. IF anything it makes a statement that is more important now then than.

WTF am I saying?

Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:01 AM (VYwSh)

131 Wading in an oil slick.



-

It's a metaphor for impeachment.
--'Wading in a Tar Pit'

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at January 22, 2020 10:01 AM (ZMw8e)

132 I'm looking at a video walkthrough of the Tate Modern and except for a few cheery Pop Art pieces it's pretty drab stuff.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 22, 2020 10:01 AM (Dc2NZ)

133 The art exhibit of the various guns hanging from the ceiling to form one big gun or a message depending on the location of the viewer is pretty neat even though it's meant to be anti-gun. I viewed it though as just being cool and wishing I had each model of gun that was hanging.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:01 AM (VzbI8)

134 Postmodernism is devoid of beauty, and indeed it celebrates nob-beauty - particularly inanity. From the Dadaists ("art is shit") forward they have been assaulting the culture by assaulting truth.

There is much to "truth is beauty" - in art, in architecture, in life. The anti-beauty brigade is also the anti-truth brigade - a brigade whose dividends we continue to reap. Lies are truth. Ugly is beautiful. Inanity is meaning. Bondage is freedom. Suffering is joy. These are the messages of the post-modernists.

I am happy for *anyone* who fights them.

The now-late Roger Scruton had a good film/documentary on this, I'd guess from the 90s or early aughts. It is called "Why Beauty Matters" and it is worth watching.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 10:01 AM (I2dne)

135 When I think of post-modernism (and I try very hard not to), I'm always reminded of that Burt Reynolds movie "Semi-Tough" where his character suggests he finally gets "it" - "it" being some undefined mystic/holistic thing that some guru is passing on to the faithful, only to admit at the end that he never really got "it" at all, he just played along - that's what adherents to "post-modernism" really do, play along to stay relevant.

Posted by: Boswell at January 22, 2020 10:01 AM (32YRo)

136 So this is a load dumpster's bed

where's the fucking hash marks ?

Posted by: REDACTED at January 22, 2020 10:02 AM (rpxSz)

137 Anything that ridicules postmodern art with it's messy beds, bananas taped to the wall, and nihilistic virtue signaling, smug 'art' is welcome. In fact, I don't want postmodernism ridiculed (although that's a start), I want people to loathe it and the attitude behind it.

The "Wading Out" painting is certainly modern in the way it uses colors to convey shapes and a mood. But the artist has captured the motion of someone wading precisely. It's not a favorite but it is effective.

When I think of the delicate colors and images of an Andrew Wyeth or the power of blocks of color and shape of a Hopper, postmodernism is the work of Orcs.

Posted by: JTB at January 22, 2020 10:02 AM (7EjX1)

138 Would not hang.

Certainly not in your kids' bedroom. "See, Mom, I make art!"

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2020 10:02 AM (lK7fO)

139 43 Not enough stains

At first I read that as 'Not enough sins'

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at January 22, 2020 10:01 AM

Oh no, kill the incandescent lights and fire up that black light. Plenty of both I bet.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 10:02 AM (iBBEC)

140 > Concertgoers had much the same reaction, I've read, to Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" when it premiered. Not that I'm suggesting sirens will some day become an accepted part of symphony orchestras.

I agree with those people. Rite of Spring is annoying and weird.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 22, 2020 10:02 AM (i0wNm)

141 ZOD New Critic.

Posted by: Zod at January 22, 2020 10:02 AM (ZS9TG)

142
You think that bed's a mess? You should have seen my and my roommate's beds back in college.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 22, 2020 10:02 AM (f1Vqw)

143 Looks like a whore's bed.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 22, 2020 10:02 AM (xfb67)

144 57 Destroying post-modernism would be huge.

Yuge.
Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2020 09:44 AM (QLPEO)

Politics is downstream of culture, and culture is downstream of philosophy.

How did Postmodernism become ascendant? Because Leftist academics promoted it as the wave of the future.

As long as they control the ideological headwaters and can keep brainwashing new generations with their drek, we are fighting an uphill battle.

We need university professors, or even our own universities to fight back appropriately.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:03 AM (J+mig)

145 Stunningly, Tracy is a supporter of the COnservative party, is anti-tax, and is a CBE (meaning that these honors are just stupid).

Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 10:03 AM (ONvIw)

146 Also: Presumption of *guilt* not innocence, you do not have the right to face your accuser. . .

Posted by: Lizzy


It follows directly from the choice to prosecute for who you are, rather than what you've done.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
Is Team Resurgo taking applications?
at January 22, 2020 10:03 AM (Rvlwi)

147 Progressives: Humans are just animals, nothing special about them.

*banalization of literally everything to do with humanity*

Its almost as if the Progressives are enemies of mankind.



Posted by: simplemind at January 22, 2020 10:03 AM (5v3Nk)

148 Alternate title for painting: "Running from Otters"

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 22, 2020 10:04 AM (xfb67)

149 The two Ionic Pillars in the "My Bed" piece are a nod to classicism.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 22, 2020 10:04 AM (m45I2)

150 She made a little model of her messy bed? Yeah, sign me up for that! And the Billy Childish painting is groovy.

Welcome to Wednesday, Horde. We're slogging our way up that hill and we'll make it to the top.
Posted by: joncelli: No Greenland, no peace at January 22, 2020


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If the photo is of a scale model, like a model train layout, you'd have to applaud the fine detail work. But the printing on the empty boxes is too sharp, and the toy stuffed poodle would have to be awfully tiny. She probably started with a real bed and sheets, and real trash and a real toy poodle, and went from there.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 10:04 AM (Ejm1K)

151 Looks like a whore's bed.
=====
that is the lair of some rough creature

slouching its way

toward

Posted by: simplemind at January 22, 2020 10:04 AM (5v3Nk)

152 Related movie tangent:

The movie The Square is about an art gallery curator who's trying to stage a new piece. It's just a white square in their courtyard outside. The artist has placed a lot of meaning into that, but no one cares and no one gets it.

So, in order to drum up interest, the curator hires a PR firm and, because of difficulties in his personal life, doesn't pay attention to the proposals given to him that closely, just nodding along. The PR firm ends up creating an ad where a traditional looking Swedish girl steps into the square and explodes in a ball of fire.

The ad gets attention and outrage (leading to the curator giving a speech about freedom of speech while he resigns his post), but it's the contrast between the lack of reaction to the Square and the reaction to the ad that interests me about the film.

The Square is the art, and it gets no reaction because it's too opaque to see meaning. The ad is outrageous and invites interpretation and reaction.

Which is the art?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:05 AM (q80AH)

153 146 It follows directly from the choice to prosecute for who you are, rather than what you've done.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Is Team Resurgo taking applications?
at January 22, 2020 10:03 AM (Rvlwi)

"Your very existence is a crime against progress."

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:05 AM (sm6Pk)

154 A favorite Paul Joseph Watson, "Modern art is STILL Sh*t":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IoW7pA1-yc

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 22, 2020 10:05 AM (Dc2NZ)

155 The Wading Out painting immediately made me think he was wading into an oil spill.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:05 AM (VzbI8)

156 Anyone else smell shrimp all the sudden?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 22, 2020 10:05 AM (jsWA8)

157 Politics is downstream of culture, and culture is downstream of philosophy.

How did Postmodernism become ascendant? Because Leftist academics promoted it as the wave of the future.

As long as they control the ideological headwaters and can keep brainwashing new generations with their drek, we are fighting an uphill battle.

We need university professors, or even our own universities to fight back appropriately.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:03 AM (J+mig)
++++++++++++++
It's going to be the "our own" side of that. But the biggest benefit we can pursue is the destruction of the universities as they exist today. They are mostly state-sponsored or state-subsidized or state-owned outlets that push anti-human philosophy down "pupils'" throats. Not just in philosophy classes, of course, but in every aspect of academic life. This spills over.

Defunding higher education would be a big step, and then let competitive forces fill the vacuum.

It took generations to get here. It will take a long time to fix, too, but it needn't take as long to fix as it took break. Starving the beast would go a long a way.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 10:06 AM (I2dne)

158 This is one of the best posts I've read in a long time.

Thank you CBD and Mr. Bledsoe.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 22, 2020 10:06 AM (wtvvX)

159 in the 60's the u.s. government sponsored big traveling exhibitions of contemporary american art, including abstract expressionism. they were criticized as attacks on traditional european culture and cultural imperialism. by who? communists.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:06 AM (Pg+x7)

160 That second one reminds me of a day at the old lake house as a kid.

It was the 70's and sunscreen protection to my father was just dousing his body in more baby oil...almost 40 years later I still remember him diving off of the pier leaving a long oil slick in his wake.

Posted by: H Badger at January 22, 2020 10:06 AM (n/0Nw)

161 he two Ionic Pillars in the "My Bed" piece are a nod to classicism.





Posted by: Muldoon at
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My Pillar dot com

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at January 22, 2020 10:06 AM (ZMw8e)

162 That's Hillary's bed !

Posted by: JT at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (arJlL)

163 Concertgoers had much the same reaction, I've read, to Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" when it premiered. Not that I'm suggesting sirens will some day become an accepted part of symphony orchestras.

I agree with those people. Rite of Spring is annoying and weird.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 22, 2020


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If I hadn't seen Fantasia first, I might agree. RoS is weird, but in a good way.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (Ejm1K)

164 Oddly enough, I was happy to have been a guest at Indiana University's bicentennial celebration this weekend, where two works of art were revealed for the occasion. One by a retired professor who spent her entire career fighting the good fight for classicism and artisanship. Her paintings were deep with meaning and she spoke so eloquently to their creation and greater application to higher learning at the university she loved so. The other was a modern mural, prototyped on a digital sketchpad and worked on by numerous students at the direct of the young, current fine arts teacher. His presentation was glib and bereft of deeper substance.

In giving way to simply emoting or cataloguing a moment through art, any enduring meaning is -- seemingly cheerily -- whisked aside.

Posted by: red speck at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (nrC0n)

165
French serialist composer Rene Leibowitz penned an essay entitled Sibelius: the Worst Composer in the World. After it appeared, the music of the Finnish master completely disappeared from concert programs, while audiences came to enjoy instead the beauties of Nono, Wolpe, Xenakis and Boulez.

/s

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (7rVsF)

166 157 It's going to be the "our own" side of that. But the biggest benefit we can pursue is the destruction of the universities as they exist today. They are mostly state-sponsored or state-subsidized or state-owned outlets that push anti-human philosophy down "pupils'" throats. Not just in philosophy classes, of course, but in every aspect of academic life. This spills over.

Defunding higher education would be a big step, and then let competitive forces fill the vacuum.

It took generations to get here. It will take a long time to fix, too, but it needn't take as long to fix as it took break. Starving the beast would go a long a way.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 10:06 AM (I2dne)

Credentialism would also need to die.

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (sm6Pk)

167 128 Ayn Rand was remarkably prescient when it came to the arts.

She completely understood how, through careful manipulation of public opinion, the grotesque could be made to seem avante garde and only those who lacked intellectual sophistication were unable to see the brilliance of the contained by the decadence.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:00 AM (oBfF

There's nothing that demonstrates power more than being able to force people to repeat an obvious lie.

To make them go through the motions of reveling in the grotesque and squalorous while rejecting the beautiful and pure is one of the highest expressions of control.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (J+mig)

168 When I want to see 90% garbage art and possibly 10% good art I go here

https://tinyurl.com/vxu6qb6

Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (VYwSh)

169 Testing out a scratch 'n' sniff monitor. Cheese and mildew, mostly. Mostly.

Posted by: klaftern at January 22, 2020 10:08 AM (RuIsu)

170

Very tidy. No skid marks.

Posted by: Alimony Surprise Sparkle at January 22, 2020 10:08 AM (lHr8/)

171 This modernistic crap is just that. The "artist" was driving home thinking. Some dumbass just bought a duct taped banana for 150K. Profit 149,999 K

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 10:09 AM (iBBEC)

172 One by a retired professor who spent her entire career fighting the good fight for classicism and artisanship. Her paintings were deep with meaning and she spoke so eloquently to their creation

Did she have BIG bewbs ?

Posted by: JT at January 22, 2020 10:09 AM (arJlL)

173
Here's some art for ya: Gwynnie Paltrow poses in front of giant cooter made of roses.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7914821

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 22, 2020 10:09 AM (f1Vqw)

174 >>Which is the art? Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:05 AM (q80AH)

The art is the post-detonation seminar conducted by Joseph Beuys, who explains that the girl's death represents his wartime salvation by Tatar tribesmen who'd wrapped his injured body in animal fat and felt.
You will now ask your next art-related question.

Posted by: Zod at January 22, 2020 10:10 AM (ZS9TG)

175 Posted by: Brother Cavil
Is Team Resurgo taking applications?
at January 22, 2020 10:03 AM (Rvlwi)

Sure. What are your qualifications?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 22, 2020 10:10 AM (NWiLs)

176 Thank you CBD and Mr. Bledsoe.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 22, 2020 10:06 AM (wtvvX)

I loved the pushback against postmodernism. Actually, it's more than pushback, it's "you're dead and you don't matter."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Brutal Statist at January 22, 2020 10:10 AM (wYseH)

177 To make them go through the motions of reveling in the grotesque and squalorous while rejecting the beautiful and pure is one of the highest expressions of control.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (J+mig)
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Well said.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:10 AM (oBfF8)

178 When Im late to the Art Thread and dont have to worry about the 100 comment rule... ;^)

Well not a rule, more of a guideline

Posted by: McCool at January 22, 2020 10:10 AM (+Lg8f)

179 At another Christie's auction in 2014, My Bed was sold to White Cube founding director Jay Jopling for 2.5 million pounds, including buyer's commission, once again to benefit the Saatchi Gallery's foundation. It was estimated that the price of My Bed would sell between 800,000 and 1.2 million pounds. Before the sale, Emin said that "what I would really love is that someone did buy it and they donated it to the Tate."

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 09:47 AM (C+We0)



A fool and his money are soon parted

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2020 10:10 AM (Un9AW)

180 174 >>Which is the art? Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:05 AM (q80AH)

The art is the post-detonation seminar conducted by Joseph Beuys, who explains that the girl's death represents his wartime salvation by Tatar tribesmen who'd wrapped his injured body in animal fat and felt.
You will now ask your next art-related question.
Posted by: Zod at January 22, 2020 10:10 AM (ZS9TG)

==========

Manos The Hand of Fate vs. Manchester by the Sea

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:10 AM (q80AH)

181 Hot take: you can find better art in video games today than anything in a gallery made in the last 10 years.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 22, 2020 10:11 AM (KUaJL)

182 It took generations to get here. It will take a long time to fix, too, but it needn't take as long to fix as it took break. Starving the beast would go a long a way.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Credentialism would also need to die.
Posted by: Allie


All goes back to the "Dream Hoarders", doesn't it? Funny how that works.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
Is Team Resurgo taking applications?
at January 22, 2020 10:11 AM (Rvlwi)

183 Credentialism would also need to die.
Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (sm6Pk)

You attack credentialism by pointing out what a self-reinforcing circle-jerk it is. The awards and titles are handed out by like-minded fellow-travelers, based on ideological conformity rather than merit.

Plant the idea that they're empty, and people will start noticing just how right you are, and that outside of the hard sciences, academic rigor is dead and replaced by groupthink.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:11 AM (J+mig)

184 My hope is after Trump is re-elected, Kelly Anne dumps the ogre she's married to

Posted by: REDACTED at January 22, 2020 10:11 AM (rpxSz)

185 Here's some art for ya: Gwynnie Paltrow poses in front of giant cooter made of roses.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7914821

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 22, 2020 10:09 AM (f1Vqw)
++++++++++++++++
Remember when, for most of history, the female form was the subject of art and then modern ass-hats turned it into pussy hats and rose cooters?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 10:11 AM (I2dne)

186 At another Christie's auction in 2014, My Bed was sold to White Cube founding director Jay Jopling for 2.5 million pounds, including buyer's commission, once again to benefit the Saatchi Gallery's foundation. It was estimated that the price of My Bed would sell between 800,000 and 1.2 million pounds. Before the sale, Emin said that "what I would really love is that someone did buy it and they donated it to the Tate."

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 09:47 AM (C+We0)



A fool and his money are soon parted
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2020 10:10 A

No shit. Should have donated it to the taint.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 10:11 AM (iBBEC)

187 Testing out a scratch 'n' sniff monitor. Cheese and mildew, mostly. Mostly.
Posted by: klaftern at January 22, 2020 10:08 AM (RuIsu)
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With underlying hints of nicotine and garlic?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:11 AM (oBfF8)

188

I would pay money to get Joe Biden in front of Gwynneth's giant rose puthy. That would be a hoot. And what should the caption be?

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 22, 2020 10:11 AM (f1Vqw)

189 Hot take: you can find better art in video games today than anything in a gallery made in the last 10 years.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 22, 2020 10:11 AM (KUaJL)

Video games

Tattoos

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:12 AM (VzbI8)

190 162 That's Hillary's bed !
Posted by: JT at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (arJlL)

Depends

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 22, 2020 10:12 AM (JFO2v)

191 Here's some art for ya: Gwynnie Paltrow poses in front of giant cooter made of roses.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7914821

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 22, 2020 10:09 AM (f1Vqw)


Why would someone make a likeness of Cooter from Dukes Of Hazzard from roses, seems silly.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 10:12 AM (iBBEC)

192

Needs a dried Joe Don Baker turd on the pillow.

Or maybe some french toast and syrup.

No, no, I think a carrot stuck in a wine bottle is the winner.

Posted by: Harry Wanker at January 22, 2020 10:13 AM (lHr8/)

193
She's not wading, she's melting

Posted by: Muldoon at January 22, 2020 10:13 AM (m45I2)

194 That bed is not art because there isn't a black lab puppy in it.

Posted by: Muad'dib at January 22, 2020 10:13 AM (tUNxh)

195
You attack credentialism by pointing out what a self-reinforcing circle-jerk it is. The awards and titles are handed out by like-minded fellow-travelers, based on ideological conformity rather than merit.

The more superficial the profession, the more awards and prizes it hands out.

When Charles Ives won the Pulitzer Prize for Music, he gave the money away, saying, "Prizes are for boys."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 22, 2020 10:14 AM (7rVsF)

196 I don't think I would take a drink from that river. Just sayin.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 10:14 AM (iBBEC)

197
Unfortunately, Cooter is a big liberal Democrat asshat.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 22, 2020 10:14 AM (f1Vqw)

198 My Pillow.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 10:14 AM (iBBEC)

199 Unfortunately, Cooter is a big liberal Democrat asshat.

Do Bo and Luke know about this....?

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 10:14 AM (C+We0)

200 >>Which is the art?


The can of soup!

Speaking of excellent PJ Watson bits, he has a good one on ugly brutalist architecture, too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 10:15 AM (bDqIh)

201
Why would someone make a likeness of Cooter from Dukes Of Hazzard from roses, seems silly.
========
Boss Hogg was an enthusiastic hobbiest, who enjoyed making floral sculptures, and the piece was commissioned by Roscoe P. Coltrane as a testament of undying love?

Posted by: simplemind at January 22, 2020 10:15 AM (d1SWs)

202 195 The more superficial the profession, the more awards and prizes it hands out.

When Charles Ives won the Pulitzer Prize for Music, he gave the money away, saying, "Prizes are for boys."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 22, 2020 10:14 AM (7rVsF)

I kind of meant more the whole "You're not getting a foot in the door anywhere without a degree." thing...

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:15 AM (sm6Pk)

203 167 128 Ayn Rand was remarkably prescient when it came to the arts.

She completely understood how, through careful manipulation of public opinion, the grotesque could be made to seem avante garde and only those who lacked intellectual sophistication were unable to see the brilliance of the contained by the decadence.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:00 AM (oBfF

There's nothing that demonstrates power more than being able to force people to repeat an obvious lie.

To make them go through the motions of reveling in the grotesque and squalorous while rejecting the beautiful and pure is one of the highest expressions of control.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:07 AM (J+mig)
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That's how it works. No one wants to appear stupid so they nod their head in agreement. Once you do that, you can't change your opinion publicly.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:15 AM (VYwSh)

204 Sorry, just realized I referred to something not discussed here. "Dream Hoarders" is something referred to in in an article about why Elizabeth Warren's policies seem to be nonsense.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/vtxrh5y

Posted by: Brother Cavil
Is Team Resurgo taking applications?
at January 22, 2020 10:15 AM (Rvlwi)

205
Unfortunately, Cooter is a big liberal Democrat asshat.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 22, 2020 10:14 AM

So vagina then.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 10:15 AM (iBBEC)

206 We used to have an art post where moron art work was posted . I know we have a number of artists here. I'd like to see that again.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:16 AM (VzbI8)

207 203 That's how it works. No one wants to appear stupid so they nod their head in agreement. Once you do that, you can't change your opinion publicly.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:15 AM (VYwSh)

=========

"The emperor's naked!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:16 AM (q80AH)

208 No one wants to appear stupid so they nod their head in agreement. Once you do that, you can't change your opinion publicly.
====
See for example: Bruce Jenner, Sportswoman of the Year

Posted by: simplemind at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (Xs9Gp)

209 Before the sale, Emin said that "what I would really love is that someone did buy it and they donated it to the Tate."


Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 09:47 AM (C+We0)

The really sad thing is that the Tate Modern has stuff that is worse than an unmade bed.

When I was there last year I saw a piece being assembled...out of 100s of sets of metal blinds.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Brutal Statist at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (wYseH)

210 Seriously. She looks like she's melting into the carpet.


It's actually a pretty nice rendering!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (m45I2)

211 207 "The emperor's naked!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:16 AM (q80AH)

Stop Kinkshaming, hater!

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (sm6Pk)

212 I went to a Beuys exhibit, '98 or so. B&W of a carved sausage on a block of concrete overlooking, I dunno, the North Sea, or something.

More to it than that, but not much. "Blutwurst Carved in the Shape of a Samurai Sword. I was de-impressed.

Posted by: klaftern at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (RuIsu)

213 >>Here's some art for ya: Gwynnie Paltrow poses in front of giant cooter made of roses.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7914821

- - -

I'm fairly certain she now does the vagina-centric stuff (e.g. vagina-scented candle) for click-bait/online buzz.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (bDqIh)

214 That's how it works. No one wants to appear stupid so they nod their head in agreement. Once you do that, you can't change your opinion publicly.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:15 AM (VYwSh)

The Emperor's New Clothes was remarkably on point, it's the most relevant parable of our time.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (J+mig)

215 Unfortunately, Cooter is a big liberal Democrat asshat.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 22, 2020 10:14 AM (f1Vqw

Bo is a big time conservative

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (VzbI8)

216 208 See for example: Bruce Jenner, Sportswoman of the Year
Posted by: simplemind at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (Xs9Gp)

Didn't the Left reject Brucelyn for not being Lefty ENOUGH?

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:18 AM (sm6Pk)

217 I don't really know a lot about art, but I know crap when I see it. I see crap.
Posted by: huerfano

Actually, we all "know" a lot more about art than we consciously think.
The ideas of beauty are more universal than people think. Which is why Post Modernism is so repugnant, because if eschews the ideas of beauty. It bothers us on a very deep, almost sub conscious level because it has so much ugliness in it.

Beauty in art is more important than we sometimes acknowledge. Simple art can be beautiful, and complex art can be ugly.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at January 22, 2020 10:18 AM (vcOmj)

218 You want to know why Democrats want to remove President Trump? Look here;

https://tinyurl.com/r4r4dr8

He has done more for us and our country than any president in recent memory.

This is about two different visions for America.

The first, led by the president is about freedom, individual liberty, financial independence and a better future for your family.

The second, led by despotic Democrats is about power, control and using big government to force or coerce you into behaviors they have chosen for you. It's about division and confiscation of your property and wealth. It's about surrendering to globalism and people who are not even citizens. It's about destroying our institutions, trampling the American ethos and changing our country to suit Democrats authoritarian political whims.

This isn't even a close choice

Posted by: Marcus T at January 22, 2020 10:18 AM (VpIIl)

219 Over at American Digest recently, Van der Leun posted a video, Why Beauty Matters by Roger Scruton (he recently passed away.) It's 58 minutes long, narrated by Scruton, and well worth watching.

https://bit.ly/2sM8BPe

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at January 22, 2020 10:18 AM (2GPSc)

220 Just listening to the dipshits on FOX going on and on about witnesses is bizarre.


Either the articles of impeachment as filed are supported by sufficient evidence to make a case or they are not.


If you need more witnesses at this point, then the articles as they exist are defective.


This is bullshit.

Posted by: Mr. Wiffle Snuff at January 22, 2020 10:18 AM (BU88g)

221 The Square is the art, and it gets no reaction because it's too opaque to see meaning. The ad is outrageous and invites interpretation and reaction.

Which is the art?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:05 AM (q80AH)

That cuts to the question that pervades commercial society - is P. T. Barnum art?

I tend to agree, in the genre of films, with Scorsese. You can make $500 million with a bunch of schlock that appeals to teenage boys, but that isn't memorable cinema.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:19 AM (Kpl3J)

222 I LIKE Rite of Spring. It's muscular and challenging but not an atonal mess like the experimental music thereafter. But admittedly Stravinsky before Symphony of Psalms takes some getting used to. (Symphony of Psalms is the music they play while you're at the judgement seat.)

Posted by: joncelli: No Greenland, no peace at January 22, 2020 10:19 AM (RD7QR)

223 I'm fairly certain she now does the vagina-centric stuff (e.g. vagina-scented candle) for click-bait/online buzz.
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I resent that!

I'm just really really into 'gina!

Posted by: gwinnie at January 22, 2020 10:19 AM (C6xeQ)

224 That's how it works. No one wants to appear stupid so they nod their head in agreement. Once you do that, you can't change your opinion publicly.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:15 AM (VYwSh)
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Meanwhile, somewhere in the back of their mind, there's a little voice saying, "That ain't right."

But, because they've been dumbed and numbed down, they are unable, or unwilling, to articulate where the problem lies.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:20 AM (oBfF8)

225 213 >>Here's some art for ya: Gwynnie Paltrow poses in front of giant cooter made of roses.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7914821

- - -

I'm fairly certain she now does the vagina-centric stuff (e.g. vagina-scented candle) for click-bait/online buzz.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (bDqIh)
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She's trolling the rubes, and rubes stand and scream "Bravo!!! Bravo!!!" And she's thinking, "Morons". Works for her.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:20 AM (VYwSh)

226 220 Just listening to the dipshits on FOX going on and on about witnesses is bizarre."

Their fundamental flaw is that they're accepting Adam Schiff's framing of the issue and then going on from there without questioning it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:20 AM (Kpl3J)

227 I went to all those art lectures at the museum, and we never even got to the Post-Raphaelites.

Were there Anti-Raphaelites?
What if the Portuguese decided they wanted their sonnets back?

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 22, 2020 10:20 AM (oRpiG)

228 Hate the first, kinda like the second one. Yeah, would hang the second one

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at January 22, 2020 10:20 AM (X+a7J)

229 Nasty bed. You can almost see the crabs crawling around in it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (k4dH2)

230
Unfortunately, no matter how well written, the opening paragraphs read like all artists' statements. It is sad trombone throughout, from beginning to end.

Straightforward English, motherfuckers, can you speak and write it?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (pNxlR)

231 221
That cuts to the question that pervades commercial society - is P. T. Barnum art?

I tend to agree, in the genre of films, with Scorsese. You can make $500 million with a bunch of schlock that appeals to teenage boys, but that isn't memorable cinema.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:19 AM (Kpl3J)

=========

I don't like the clean break between "art" vs. "not art", especially in movies. Categorization is largely something I have little interest in engaging in, but I think it does raise interesting questions from time to time.

I'll enjoy Independence Day as much as Badlands any day.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (q80AH)

232 I'm going to spend this morning being positive and upbeat. I am going to see something beautiful and precious in each person I encounter.

I will pray for our President and his family.

And for you, sweet Hordlings.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (QB5c3)

233 That "art" makes the nekkid dwarf look better.

Posted by: dingbat at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (DZINL)

234 This is bullshit.
======
Yes.

Yes it is.

I confirm your analysis.

To watch it, is to dignify it.

Don't bother, just wait for the flushing sound and you'll know its over.

Posted by: simplemind at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (C6xeQ)

235 I don't really know a lot about art, but I know crap when I see it. I see crap.
Posted by: huerfano

Yep. And that bed pic is crap. I mean if some dumb shit wants to pay thousands for that or a banana duct taped to a wall, rock on, but we are going to mock the fuck out of you.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (iBBEC)

236 I tend to agree, in the genre of films, with Scorsese. You can make $500 million with a bunch of schlock that appeals to teenage boys, but that isn't memorable cinema.

Posted by: Tom Servo


No, but a steady stream of un-memorable cinema that keeps reinforcing certain ideas will have an impact far greater than one "artistic success" film. Hollywood is not as it is by accident.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
Is Team Resurgo taking applications?
at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (Rvlwi)

237 225 She's trolling the rubes, and rubes stand and scream "Bravo!!! Bravo!!!" And she's thinking, "Morons". Works for her.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:20 AM (VYwSh)

I feel like the lesson being taught since 2000 is : "If you don't have a hustle to swindle the rubes, you're an idiot."

Thus, an idiot am I.

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (sm6Pk)

238 First example, geez luuize, just take a photo of half the bedrooms in my house. Do not want or need.

Second example, humanity going into the LaBrea Tarpits.

Don't like the colors, but the immediate impression was powerful.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 22, 2020 10:22 AM (MIKMs)

239 Beauty in art is more important than we sometimes acknowledge. Simple art can be beautiful, and complex art can be ugly.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at January 22, 2020 10:18 AM (vcOmj)

Is there no Truth in Beauty?

Posted by: Kollos at January 22, 2020 10:22 AM (Kpl3J)

240
The painting is of the Robert Patrick Terminator trying to get his legs back together

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2020 10:22 AM (mpeBU)

241 Meanwhile, somewhere in the back of their mind, there's a little voice saying, "That ain't right."

But, because they've been dumbed and numbed down, they are unable, or unwilling, to articulate where the problem lies.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:20 AM (oBfF

Until some little kid points out that the Emperor is naked.

Be the kid. Speak the truth when the world wants your silence.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:23 AM (J+mig)

242 I do wish I were not on my tablet since I have a lot of opinion a out deconstruction, post modernism and criticism: in short, postmodern criticism is to art what looking at a whale fall covered with scavengers is to the Web of life as shown by cetacans playing in the sea

Posted by: Kindltot at January 22, 2020 10:23 AM (ZWEKT)

243 >>Over at American Digest recently, Van der Leun posted a video, Why
Beauty Matters by Roger Scruton (he recently passed away.) It's 58
minutes long, narrated by Scruton, and well worth watching.



https://bit.ly/2sM8BPe
- - -
Thanks for the link!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 10:23 AM (bDqIh)

244 This is about two different visions for America.

The first, led by the president is about freedom, individual liberty, financial independence and a better future for your family.

The second, led by despotic Democrats is about power, control and using big government to force or coerce you into behaviors they have chosen for you. It's about division and confiscation of your property and wealth. It's about surrendering to globalism and people who are not even citizens. It's about destroying our institutions, trampling the American ethos and changing our country to suit Democrats authoritarian political whims.

This isn't even a close choice
Posted by: Marcus T


+1.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 10:23 AM (Jk+3L)

245
"Wading Out" is nice. The sunlit water is reminiscent of Klimt, particularly the background for his "Woman in Gold".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 10:23 AM (pNxlR)

246 221 That cuts to the question that pervades commercial society - is P. T. Barnum art?

I tend to agree, in the genre of films, with Scorsese. You can make $500 million with a bunch of schlock that appeals to teenage boys, but that isn't memorable cinema.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:19 AM (Kpl3J)

In the end, doesn't it just break down to Class Snobbery?

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:23 AM (sm6Pk)

247 Later y'all.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 22, 2020 10:23 AM (m45I2)

248 That cuts to the question that pervades commercial society - is P. T. Barnum art?

I tend to agree, in the genre of films, with Scorsese. You can make $500 million with a bunch of schlock that appeals to teenage boys, but that isn't memorable cinema.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:19 AM (Kpl3J)

=========

I don't like the clean break between "art" vs. "not art", especially in movies. Categorization is largely something I have little interest in engaging in, but I think it does raise interesting questions from time to time.

I'll enjoy Independence Day as much as Badlands any day.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (q80AH)

------------

Camille Paglia has made the case there are scenes in cinema that are art.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:24 AM (oBfF8)

249 I'm really late. Doc. appt. Anywho...

Today's work reminded me of this. Robert Rauchenburg, Bed.

https://tinyurl.com/wwp92vb

Posted by: Kris at January 22, 2020 10:24 AM (OyyDO)

250 >>> I will pray for our President and his family.

And for you, sweet Hordlings.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at January


Does that include fluffers?

Posted by: Jen Rubin at January 22, 2020 10:24 AM (jPtGI)

251 Their fundamental flaw is that they're accepting Adam Schiff's framing of the issue and then going on from there without questioning it.
Posted by: Tom Servo


Perversley enough, there is a tie in here with this thread.

Post Modern Art makes people accept brutalism and ugliness as a norm, or something to be accepted.

They are selling you a lie and telling you it is the truth.

From art and culture flow politics, somewhere downstream. If people are constantly told lies and take them as the truth in art, it is not a far walk to being constantly lied to in politics and claiming it is the truth, when your own eyes and ears KNOW it is a lie.

It is a fundamental corruption of your thought processes, prepared by corrupting your own sense of truth and beauty which are formed by appreciating the arts.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at January 22, 2020 10:25 AM (vcOmj)

252 Kind of on point but I'll never understand the criticism of Norman Rockwell from the art world. Up is Down .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:25 AM (VzbI8)

253
Postmodernism is simply innate laziness fostered and supported by government and foundation grants. Remove them, and it dies its well- and long-deserved death.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 10:26 AM (pNxlR)

254 I tend to agree, in the genre of films, with Scorsese. You can make $500 million with a bunch of schlock that appeals to teenage boys, but that isn't memorable cinema.

Posted by: Tom Servo

No one cares about "memorable cinema.' it's all about money and the worldwide market.
Scorsese is not only a great director, but a lifelong film geek so he knows what he's talking about.

That said, the almost yearly reboots, remakes and sequels of the same inane comic book superheroes does imply that people are looking for heroes, for great men who do great things....

Maybe they should make a movie about Trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:26 AM (CqE5x)

255 Camille Paglia has made the case there are scenes in cinema that are art.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:24 AM (oBfF

Oh yeah....the pan out of Julie Andrews firing those uzis in the mountain meadow.....

Posted by: BignJames at January 22, 2020 10:26 AM (X/Pw5)

256 Just listening to the dipshits on FOX going on and on about witnesses is bizarre."

Their fundamental flaw is that they're accepting Adam Schiff's framing of the issue and then going on from there without questioning it.
======
If they honestly an accurately assessed it, they would be finished with it in 1 minute 30 seconds. And then what would they do for the rest of the month? They are forced to entertain the narrative, because its what they do. That is what makes you watch.

It. is. a. show.

And to that extent, the "News" even FOx is not a totally valid information broker. They can't tell you - "this is not worth your time, nor the Country's time", because then they kill interest in their own show.

Posted by: simplemind at January 22, 2020 10:27 AM (C6xeQ)

257 252 Kind of on point but I'll never understand the criticism of Norman Rockwell from the art world. Up is Down .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:25 AM (VzbI

Rockwell is slowly gaining a new respect, especially from a younger generation.

Posted by: Kris at January 22, 2020 10:27 AM (OyyDO)

258 I'm no expert in interpreting poll results but I find the new CNN poll interesting.

Of course, the headline is that all Dem's will beat Trump: Biden and Bloomberg by 9 points , Sanders by 7, etc etc.

Of course I was extremely skeptical so I dug into the survey.

Wow, no wonder the Dem's are impeaching Trump.

Deep in the poll results, results CNN doesn't seem to want to highlight, is a break out of the battleground states. In those states Trump is leading or tied everyone except Biden and, interestingly, Bloomberg who both have 2 point lead on Trump....with registered voters. Not even likely voters.

Furthermore, in the battleground results, they did not disclose "non-white" results due to "insufficient sample size". Hmmm

Mind you, this is from a CNN poll which I'm sure over sampled democrats.

Posted by: WisRich at January 22, 2020 10:27 AM (G0vdT)

259 Wait till Sarge sees this....................

Posted by: saf at January 22, 2020 10:27 AM (5IHGB)

260 Kind of on point but I'll never understand the criticism of Norman Rockwell from the art world. Up is Down .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:25 AM (VzbI
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Because he dared to make a living at it through, horrors, selling it to a commercial enterprise.

Never mind that a lot of the masters of the Renaissance era had sponsors.

To my mind, Rockwell checks all the boxes. Well done, capture Americana at it's finest and is evocative.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:28 AM (oBfF8)

261 >>Rockwell is slowly gaining a new respect, especially from a younger generation.


And look who are the biggest collectors of Rockwell's art - George Lucas and Steven Spielberg.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 10:28 AM (bDqIh)

262 Camille Paglia has made the case there are scenes in cinema that are art.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:24 AM (oBfF

I agree with this.

I can't watch Dr.Zhivago all the way through, but the lighting and photography and colors and settings are breathtaking.

And Julie Christie.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:29 AM (CqE5x)

263 Senile Joe now says he'll fire ICE agents who arrest illegals for impaired driving.
His indifference to impaired driving seems odd given his history.
If only there were people who would ask politicians questions.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at January 22, 2020 10:29 AM (Uu+Jp)

264 I don't like the clean break between "art" vs. "not art", especially in movies. Categorization is largely something I have little interest in engaging in, but I think it does raise interesting questions from time to time.

I'll enjoy Independence Day as much as Badlands any day.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:21 AM (q80AH)

I liked Independence Day the first time I saw it, I even saw it again later on cable. After those two viewings, though, I find it quite dull, and would never watch it again. For an even better example, think of any of the Transformer movies, or Pacific Rim. Watching any of those now is like watching Power Ranger reruns from the early 90's, and they are already being forgotten just as completely. They're just big, stupid spectacles devoid of any compelling thoughts.

The movies I truly treasure, on the other hand, are those I can watch 15 or 20 times and still find something new each time, because they don't just entertain me, they advance my understanding of this world, and my place in it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:29 AM (Kpl3J)

265 Blame the Germans, specifically Kant. What's funny is the roots of postmodernist thought started as a reaction to the science and reason of the Enlightenment by those fearing a new age with less importance placed on religion. But Immanuel Kant was the key break with the Enlightenment... the "all destroyer" in the words of Moses Mendelssohn.

Posted by: Al Crapton at January 22, 2020 10:29 AM (GlmxK)

266
On modern art there is a scene in the movie The Collector with Terrance Stamp and Samantha Eggar. She's trying to explain to him why modern art is good and he's telling her it's nothing but rubbish. She says just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't good. He responds with It's not good and normal people see it as rubbish but her and her snooty friends tell themselves it's good so they can feel superior to other people

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2020 10:30 AM (mpeBU)

267 >>Camille Paglia has made the case there are scenes in cinema that are art.


The Walter Mitty movie was not so great, but the cinematography was gorgeous.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 10:30 AM (bDqIh)

268 245
"Wading Out" is nice. The sunlit water is reminiscent of Klimt, particularly the background for his "Woman in Gold".
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 10:23 AM (pNxlR)

I like it too, but IMO it has more in common with Munch thank Klimt

Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 10:30 AM (ONvIw)

269 >>It. is. a. show.

Exactly. Trying to fill cable news 7 x 24 means a lot of bullshit programing just to fill time. Their goal, like any other company interested in being profitable and staying in business is ratings.

CNN has taken one approach, relentlessly pound one position over and over. Their ratings reflect how successful this strategy is.

Fox has taken the fair and balanced approach and dominates the cable news ratings. Mystery solved.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2020 10:30 AM (ZLI7S)

270 Of course, the headline is that all Dem's will beat Trump: Biden and Bloomberg by 9 points , Sanders by 7, etc etc.
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I didn't see this. Is CNN SERIOUSLY claiming that BLOOMBERG would beat Trump by 9 points?

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (CqE5x)

271 That looks like my bed after a climate change nightmare.

Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (EgshT)

272 264 The movies I truly treasure, on the other hand, are those I can watch 15 or 20 times and still find something new each time, because they don't just entertain me, they advance my understanding of this world, and my place in it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:29 AM (Kpl3J)

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I love that too. I'll watch Scenes from a Marriage, Goodfellas, Metropolis, Citizen Kane, or Vertigo any day of the week.

But sometimes, you just need aircraft blowing aliens out of the sky to a rousing score mixed with some Will Smith charisma.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (q80AH)

273 I could never keep my bedroom that ckean.

Posted by: Lazy Steven H. Button III at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (w45GJ)

274 You want "art"? Check out Mark Tansey.

Posted by: klaftern at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (RuIsu)

275 I agree with this.

I can't watch Dr.Zhivago all the way through, but the lighting and photography and colors and settings are breathtaking.

And Julie Christie.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:29 AM (CqE5x)
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M. Night Smyamalan's "The Village" wasn't all that good, but there are some scenes that are so exquisitely shot they are breathtaking.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (oBfF8)

276 Senile Joe now says he'll fire ICE agents who arrest illegals for impaired driving.
His indifference to impaired driving seems odd given his history.

Posted by: Northernlurker


Not really. Since his dead wife WAS the drunk driver.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (Jk+3L)

277 In the end, doesn't it just break down to Class Snobbery?
Posted by: Allie

Is it?

What kind of food do you eat, and what do you prefer? Do you prefer junk food that is easy to fix and eat, or do you prefer wholesome, nutritional food that keeps you healthy?
Well prepared food can taste delicious, and is good for you.
But if all you are used to is junk food, you take that as your "value".
Movies are the same.
I like (and we all do) a lot of pop-culture movies because they are fun and escapist, and entertain for an hour or two and we forget our own problems in the world for a little while. But a lot of "pop" movies are just loud, ugly and with overproduced CGI, with weak stories.

I think that's what Scorcese meant. I remember reading that interview, and he just thought a lot of modern movies were shallow and without much substance. A good story well told will be popular, so it's just not "popularity" that he was talking about.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (vcOmj)

278 Second example, humanity going into the LaBrea Tarpits.

Don't like the colors, but the immediate impression was powerful.
Posted by: mustbequantum at January 22, 2020


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A painting of a mammoth caught in the tar pits would be dynamite.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (Ejm1K)

279 271 That looks like my bed after a climate change nightmare.
Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (EgshT)

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Your dad beats you will you sleep?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (q80AH)

280 Maybe they should make a movie about Trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:26 AM (CqE5x)

In 20-30 years, it'll happen.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (J+mig)

281 252 Kind of on point but I'll never understand the criticism of Norman Rockwell from the art world. Up is Down .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:25 AM (VzbI

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WSJ 2013 Deborah Solomon "American Mirror,"


Is your book basically saying that Rockwell was a latent homosexual?

I'm not a shrink, and I really don't speculate about a life and a person's psychology as a writer. As a critic, I can say when I look at his work I feel it's possible to discern enormous homoeroticism as well as a desire to distance himself from his own desires. In his life, he did prefer male company. It was a special kind of sexual ambivalence that he may not have acted on. Do I think he had homosexual relationships? No. He goes camping and shares a bed with his assistant Fred Hildebrandt and the next morning he said, "Fred looked fetching in his pajamas." He was very comfortable around men and he loved male bodies.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (VYwSh)

282 263 Senile Joe now says he'll fire ICE agents who arrest illegals for impaired driving.
His indifference to impaired driving seems odd given his history.
If only there were people who would ask politicians questions.
Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at January 22, 2020 10:29 AM (Uu+Jp)

You mean his druggie son?

Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (ONvIw)

283 Furthermore, in the battleground results, they did not disclose "non-white" results due to "insufficient sample size". Hmmm

Mind you, this is from a CNN poll which I'm sure over sampled democrats.
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If they were going to beat Trump - Bloomberg and Steyer wouldn't be in the race.

If they were going to beat Trump- they wouldn't be impeaching him now.

You'll not see an honest poll this time until after the election is over, and even then, most of them will still be cooked - because they are going to try and steal it.

If that fails, Trump better double his protection.

Posted by: simplemind at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (C6xeQ)

284 270 Of course, the headline is that all Dem's will beat Trump: Biden and Bloomberg by 9 points , Sanders by 7, etc etc.
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I didn't see this. Is CNN SERIOUSLY claiming that BLOOMBERG would beat Trump by 9 points?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (CqE5x)
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Yep.

Posted by: WisRich at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (G0vdT)

285 I couldn't stand to sleep in a messed up bed like that. I would spend 5 minutes fixing the sheets and covers before getting in. My wife would sleep under a pile of laundry if it weren't for me. She calls me "hospital corners".

Posted by: Chris M at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (eAZVt)

286 What Dreams May Come could be considered an Art Movie,

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:33 AM (VzbI8)

287 her and her snooty friends tell themselves it's good so they can feel superior to other people
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2020 10:30 AM (mpeBU)

See "Avant-Garde and Kitsch" by Clement Greenberg.

Posted by: Kris at January 22, 2020 10:33 AM (OyyDO)

288 Exactly. Trying to fill cable news 7 x 24 means a lot of bullshit programing just to fill time. Their goal, like any other company interested in being profitable and staying in business is ratings.

CNN has taken one approach, relentlessly pound one position over and over. Their ratings reflect how successful this strategy is.

Fox has taken the fair and balanced approach and dominates the cable news ratings. Mystery solved.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2020 10:30 AM (ZLI7S)

This is ironic because I'm just old enough to remember the kerfluffle that was caused around 1980 or so when CBS--I think--complained that their news shows weren't profitable.

The media elite of the time was aghast that commercial considerations were more important to them than serious news and sober analysis.

And look where we are now.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:34 AM (CqE5x)

289
More winning. Migrants at Mexico's southern border were sent back to Guatemala. Maybe if they get the message that they don't have free entry anymore they give up trying to break into our country

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2020 10:34 AM (mpeBU)

290 The movies I truly treasure, on the other hand, are those I can watch 15 or 20 times and still find something new each time, because they don't just entertain me, they advance my understanding of this world, and my place in it.
Posted by: Tom Servo


How about some more beans Mr. Taggart?
May the schwartz be with you!
It's good to be the king.
Oh piss boy. Piss boy!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 10:34 AM (Jk+3L)

291 Tulsa Gabbard is suing Hillary Clinton for defamation. Clinton called Gabbard a Russian asset.

I'm glad someone is pushing back on Russia Russia Russia. I'm a bit surprised that it's a Democrat, but as long as Tulsi avoids Ft. Marcy Park I'm sure everything will be fine.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 22, 2020 10:34 AM (ZGrMX)

292
263 Senile Joe now says he'll fire ICE agents who arrest illegals for impaired driving.
His indifference to impaired driving seems odd given his history.
If only there were people who would ask politicians questions.
Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at January 22, 2020 10:29 AM (Uu+Jp)


If not mentioned already, "the other driver was drunk" is yet another unfounded and blatant Biden family LIE, denied by the other driver's family and not substantiated by police reports for the accident.

Do not grant that piece of filth any credence in this matter by repeating his LIE.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 10:34 AM (pNxlR)

293 This comment is art.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 22, 2020 10:34 AM (xfb67)

294 262 Camille Paglia has made the case there are scenes in cinema that are art.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:24 AM (oBfF

I agree with this.

I can't watch Dr.Zhivago all the way through, but the lighting and photography and colors and settings are breathtaking."

David Lean, in just about anything he did. In Zhivago, he did the frozen wastes of Siberia. In Lawrence he did the deserts of Arabia - both absolutely, stunningly beautiful, and the beauty frames the story and ennobles the characters in it.

Orson Wells and Kurosawa also deserve credit for the innovative way they handled shadows and light - they were both masters of the Black and White medium.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:35 AM (Kpl3J)

295
I didn't see this. Is CNN SERIOUSLY claiming that BLOOMBERG would beat Trump by 9 points?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (CqE5x)
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Yep.
Posted by: WisRich at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (G0vdT)

Man, CNN should be classified as Science Fiction/Fantasy, not news.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:35 AM (CqE5x)

296 294 Orson Wells and Kurosawa also deserve credit for the innovative way they handled shadows and light - they were both masters of the Black and White medium.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:35 AM (Kpl3J)

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Welles was largely inspired by German expressionism. So was Hitchcock.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (q80AH)

297 And for you, sweet Hordlings.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at January

Even li'l ol' me?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (NWiLs)

298 Saw a bit of The Five the other day. Gutfeld was telling people to call their Senators to get impeachment over with so they could go back to watching The Five.

Pretty much sums up most of America's view on the impeachment if you swap The Five for Sports Center or Soap Operas.

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (B06Zw)

299 >>I couldn't stand to sleep in a messed up bed like that. I would spend 5 minutes fixing the sheets and covers before getting in. My wife would sleep under a pile of laundry if it weren't for me. She calls me "hospital corners".

My ex's family owned a nursing home while she was growing up and she worked there as a kid. She could make a bed with sheets so tight it was a workout just getting into the damn thing.

When it was my turn to make the bed it was a tad less precise. She called my corners Lunatic Asylum Corners.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (ZLI7S)

300 Anyone up for some performance art?

Posted by: Yoko Ohno at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (EgshT)

301 How about some more beans Mr. Taggart?
May the schwartz be with you!
It's good to be the king.
Oh piss boy. Piss boy!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 10:34 AM (Jk+3L)

think about it - in today's "Woke" world, where Comedy is banned, true Comedy is the most Subversive and Artistic act that one can undertake.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (Kpl3J)

302 293
This comment is art.

this comment is also art, but only when you are not looking at it.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (sGtp+)

303
I like it too, but IMO it has more in common with Munch than Klimt
Posted by: CN at January 22, 2020 10:30 AM (ONvIw)


I see your point and if is a good one. Thanks!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 10:37 AM (pNxlR)

304 The Connoisseur is an awesome Rockwell painting.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:37 AM (VzbI8)

305 265 Blame the Germans, specifically Kant. What's funny is the roots of postmodernist thought started as a reaction to the science and reason of the Enlightenment by those fearing a new age with less importance placed on religion. But Immanuel Kant was the key break with the Enlightenment... the "all destroyer" in the words of Moses Mendelssohn.
Posted by: Al Crapton at January 22, 2020 10:29 AM (GlmxK)

A new movement would do well to emphasize the harmony between reason and faith. Postmodern philosophy has incorrectly convinced people that they are opposite poles, forever in opposition and never to meet. This is a destructive idea, and has lead people to the false light of atheism.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:38 AM (J+mig)

306 Commenting on an art thread is art.

Posted by: dantesed at January 22, 2020 10:38 AM (88xKn)

307 Do I think he had homosexual relationships? No. He goes camping and shares a bed with his assistant Fred Hildebrandt and the next morning he said, "Fred looked fetching in his pajamas." He was very comfortable around men and he loved male bodies.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (VYwSh)

She just described 75% of athletes and 100% bodybuilders.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (CqE5x)

308 I would be ashamed to sleep in that mess.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (0FvcZ)

309 306 Commenting on an art thread is art.
Posted by: dantesed at January 22, 2020 10:38 AM (88xKn)

Whoa. Meta.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (NWiLs)

310 I didn't see this. Is CNN SERIOUSLY claiming that BLOOMBERG would beat Trump by 9 points?

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (CqE5x)



Just run an ad that says, "Bloomberg will use the federal government to regulate the size of your soda" and he'll be finished.

Posted by: Vendette at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (tX5RF)

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Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (C+We0)

312 Commenting on an art thread is art.
Posted by: dantesed at January 22, 2020


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So is *not* commenting . . . which means I've blown my chance at immortality.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (Ejm1K)

313 Welles was largely inspired by German expressionism. So was Hitchcock.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (q80AH)

My wife will never understand why I like the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.

Now THAT is art. It's also insane. But it's art.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (Kpl3J)

314 Just so long as nobody mentions Warhol.

Posted by: klaftern at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (RuIsu)

315 Only half way through the comments, but I wanted to thank
M. Bledsoe what could well be the synopsis of an advanced (as in > 200 level) art appreciation class.

Posted by: MarkY at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (vsOjw)

316 I didn't see this. Is CNN SERIOUSLY claiming that BLOOMBERG would beat Trump by 9 points?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:31 AM (CqE5x)
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Yep.
Posted by: WisRich at January 22, 2020 10:32 AM (G0vdT)

Man, CNN should be classified as Science Fiction/Fantasy, not news.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:35 AM (CqE5x)
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What makes even more absurd is in the Dem Primary, Bloomberg comes in a distant 5th place with a dismal 5%.

How do you square those results?

Posted by: WisRich at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (G0vdT)

317 309 306 Commenting on an art thread is art.
Posted by: dantesed at January 22, 2020 10:38 AM (88xKn)

Whoa. Meta.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (NWiLs)

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Your comment is post-modernist art.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (q80AH)

318 Yeah, some of the things aren't aligned. It's part of the genius of the art.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (C+We0)

319

The Gramscian assault on Western culture began in the arts, specifically theater, with Brecht and the rest of the Frankfurt Schule.

The use of "art" to induce feelings of dislocation and disconnectedness from others is the key to the refashioning of society along Marxist lines.

Posted by: imp at January 22, 2020 10:40 AM (SFOr6)

320 302 293
This comment is art.

this comment is also art, but only when you are not looking at it.
Posted by: Anachronda at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (sGtp+)

*photocopies both comments, glues them to a Big Boy statue, and sells it to the Tate Modern*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 22, 2020 10:40 AM (Dc2NZ)

321 304 The Connoisseur is an awesome Rockwell painting.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:37 AM (VzbI

Rockwell said he had a blast creating the splatter-painting in that work. Here are pictures of him making the piece.

http://www.nrm.org/thinglink/text/Connoisseur.html

Posted by: Kris at January 22, 2020 10:40 AM (OyyDO)

322 my giordano painting was delivered yesterday. finally. i imagine that for the patrons of the 17th century, returning to their manors and palazzos hung with paintings of greek gods (such as mine) and mythology was reassuring, that their concerns and interests were elevated, far above the crude and simple cares of the world around them. perhaps today's wealthy collector ex[periences something similar when he returns to his home filled with the "higher" values of abstract and conceptual art.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:40 AM (Pg+x7)

323 You got art on my comment!

Posted by: Roland THTG at January 22, 2020 10:40 AM (88+cf)

324 Immanuel Kant was the key break with the Enlightenment... the "all destroyer" in the words of Moses Mendelssohn.
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"I. Kant."

Yup.

Posted by: simplemind at January 22, 2020 10:41 AM (C6xeQ)

325 my giordano painting was delivered yesterday. finally. i imagine that for the patrons of the 17th century, returning to their manors and palazzos hung with paintings of greek gods (such as mine) and mythology was reassuring, that their concerns and interests were elevated, far above the crude and simple cares of the world around them. perhaps today's wealthy collector ex[periences something similar when he returns to his home filled with the "higher" values of abstract and conceptual art.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:40 AM (Pg+x7)

So, enjoy your unmade, filthy bed.

Posted by: BignJames at January 22, 2020 10:42 AM (X/Pw5)

326 Just listening to the dipshits on FOX going on and on about witnesses is bizarre."

Their fundamental flaw is that they're accepting Adam Schiff's framing of the issue and then going on from there without questioning it.
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You just put your finger on why I can't watch these shows because of my BP.
They do this EVERY TIME.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:43 AM (CqE5x)

327 294 262 Camille Paglia has made the case there are scenes in cinema that are art.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:24 AM (oBfF

I agree with this.

I can't watch Dr.Zhivago all the way through, but the lighting and photography and colors and settings are breathtaking."

David Lean, in just about anything he did. In Zhivago, he did the frozen wastes of Siberia. In Lawrence he did the deserts of Arabia - both absolutely, stunningly beautiful, and the beauty frames the story and ennobles the characters in it.

Orson Wells and Kurosawa also deserve credit for the innovative way they handled shadows and light - they were both masters of the Black and White medium.
Posted by: Tom Servo



Ryan's Daughter is an example of beautiful cinematography connected with a meh movie.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 22, 2020 10:43 AM (vN4+Q)

328 294 262 Camille Paglia has made the case there are scenes in cinema that are art.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:24 AM (oBfF

I agree with this.

I can't watch Dr.Zhivago all the way through, but the lighting and photography and colors and settings are breathtaking."

David Lean, in just about anything he did. In Zhivago, he did the frozen wastes of Siberia. In Lawrence he did the deserts of Arabia - both absolutely, stunningly beautiful, and the beauty frames the story and ennobles the characters in it.

Orson Wells and Kurosawa also deserve credit for the innovative way they handled shadows and light - they were both masters of the Black and White medium.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:35 AM (Kpl3J)

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Omar Sharif was pretty fly for an Egyptian guy in those Lean movies. Lawrence was his first English language film.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:43 AM (VYwSh)

329 From 183:

You attack credentialism by pointing out what a self-reinforcing circle-jerk it is. The awards and titles are handed out by like-minded fellow-travelers, based on ideological conformity rather than merit.

And that is the story of the Hugo awards for the past, what, 10 years of so?

Posted by: Fox2! at January 22, 2020 10:43 AM (qyH+l)

330 ... my giordano is "bacchus and ariadne", he painted fomenting like 5 versions of the theme.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:44 AM (Pg+x7)

331 this comment is also art, but only when you are not looking at it.
Posted by: Anachronda at January 22, 2020 10:36 AM (sGtp+)

*photocopies both comments, glues them to a Big Boy statue, and sells it to the Tate Modern*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 22, 2020 10:40 AM (Dc2NZ)

Photocopy all three of these, display with a dog turd in a glass jar. Where's my millions at?

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:44 AM (J+mig)

332 OP x 1000. Art should demonstrate mastery of the medium, and edify the observer.

Posted by: Greg at January 22, 2020 10:44 AM (Nxt4N)

333
147 Progressives: Humans are just animals, nothing special about them



Unless they're MS-13

Posted by: Buzzion at January 22, 2020 10:45 AM (G2zl5)

334 Anyone remember Shia Lebeouf's anti-Trump art project? At the end the 4chan trolls drove him insane, so it was very good. Just not how he expected it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 22, 2020 10:45 AM (xfb67)

335 I would prefer the term Second Renaissance. YMMV.

Posted by: ShainS, Club Gulag > Club Gitmo at January 22, 2020 10:45 AM (Ty6Zr)

336 Photocopy all three of these, display with a dog turd in a glass jar. Where's my millions at?

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:44 AM (J+mig)

see marketing and hype

Posted by: BignJames at January 22, 2020 10:45 AM (X/Pw5)

337 And that is the story of the Hugo awards for the past, what, 10 years of so?
Posted by: Fox2! at January 22, 2020 10:43 AM (qyH+l)

And to most serious people, the Hugo no longer means anything.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:45 AM (J+mig)

338 95% of the media is in the tank for the left.


But we have to be fair and give the left time to explain their side.

Posted by: Fox News at January 22, 2020 10:45 AM (NSFCQ)

339
How do you square those results?
Posted by: WisRich
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You *do* understand that this is CNN?

They perceive their job as *establishing* the result.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 10:46 AM (eYD0A)

340 Just two of the Communist goals as read into the Congressional record in 1963:
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Posted by: timajin at January 22, 2020 10:47 AM (AL9FO)

341 Omar Sharif was pretty fly for an Egyptian guy in those Lean movies. Lawrence was his first English language film.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 22, 2020 10:43 AM (VYwSh)

He was born in Egypt into a Melkite Catholic family. His real name was Michael Dimitri Chalhoub. He changed his name to Omar Shariff when he *supposedly* converted to Islam.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:47 AM (CqE5x)

342 Those aren't MyPillows or Giza sheets.

Posted by: Mike Lindell at January 22, 2020 10:47 AM (6VO15)

343 333 Unless they're MS-13
Posted by: Buzzion at January 22, 2020 10:45 AM (G2zl5)

MS-13 has that "Spark of the Divine" that nobody else has, after all.

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:47 AM (sm6Pk)

344 My Pillow > My Bed

Posted by: Duh! at January 22, 2020 10:47 AM (J9A97)

345 And to most serious people, the Hugo no longer means anything.
Posted by: Cato
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The Hugo was big storm, do much damage.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 10:47 AM (eYD0A)

346 340 Just two of the Communist goals as read into the Congressional record in 1963:
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
_________________________________

Leftists: "You had me at communist!"

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 22, 2020 10:48 AM (xfb67)

347 We may lie with our news but our polls are real science!

Posted by: Cnn at January 22, 2020 10:48 AM (NSFCQ)

348 Those aren't MyPillows or Giza sheets.
Posted by: Mike Lindell
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'Giza'? I thought he was saying 'geezer'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 10:48 AM (eYD0A)

349 He was born in Egypt into a Melkite Catholic family. His real name was Michael Dimitri Chalhoub. He changed his name to Omar Shariff when he *supposedly* converted to Islam.


Wasn't he a big time backgammon or bridge player?

Posted by: dantesed at January 22, 2020 10:49 AM (88xKn)

350 How do you square those results?

Posted by: WisRich at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (G0vdT)

No math. But since you asked...

Take the derivative of the function (C) = (b)cosine theta WRT to the variable (b) where:
- (b) is the bribery money spent by the highest bidder who lines the pockets of Jeffery Zucker and who is left of Skankles,
- Skankles is the lower limit, and
- angle theta is at least eEleventy!!!! degrees.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 22, 2020 10:49 AM (8dJG7)

351 348 'Giza'? I thought he was saying 'geezer'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 10:48 AM (eYD0A)

"E's Ebeneezer Goode!"

-Shamen

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:49 AM (sm6Pk)

352 The Hugo was big storm, do much damage.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 10:47 AM (eYD0A)

Really...who woulda' thought Charlotte could get hammered by a hurricane?

Posted by: BignJames at January 22, 2020 10:49 AM (X/Pw5)

353 i think paglia was writing specifically about star wars. she was comparing the visual qualities to 19th century historical paintings that attracted throngs of paying viewers. my question for her would be: where are those 19th century paintings today and why aren't people clamoring to see them? they aren't.

maybe george lucas' museum of narrative art will change that.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (Pg+x7)

354 He was born in Egypt into a Melkite Catholic family. His real name was Michael Dimitri Chalhoub. He changed his name to Omar Shariff when he *supposedly* converted to Islam.


Wasn't he a big time backgammon or bridge player?
Posted by: dantesed at January 22, 2020 10:49 AM (88xKn)

Yes. I also remember reading that he smoked SIX packs a day---until he had heart surgery late in life.

As someone who used to smoke a pack a day, how do you smoke SIX packs a day?

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (CqE5x)

355 At the risk of repeating something said a hundred times already (too lazy to scroll), Terry Jones of Monty Python died at 77.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Purveyor of Locally Sourced artisinal Hogwash at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (xPJvm)

356 Ayn Rand said it best and all you need to know about the differences between the nihilist cultural Marxist artists and us:


"Art is a selective re-creation of reality according to an artist's metaphysical value-judgments."

Posted by: ShainS, Club Gulag > Club Gitmo at January 22, 2020 10:52 AM (Ty6Zr)

357 >>212
I went to a Beuys exhibit, '98 or so. BW of a carved sausage on a
block of concrete Posted by: klaftern at January 22, 2020 10:17 AM (RuIsu)

Beautifully mutated.

Posted by: Zod at January 22, 2020 10:53 AM (ZS9TG)

358 As someone who used to smoke a pack a day, how do you smoke SIX packs a day?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (CqE5x)

Take the whole pack, tear the end off, and light it?

About all I can figure. You'd have to have a cigarette in your mouth every waking second to hit 6 a day.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:53 AM (J+mig)

359 Take the derivative of the function (C) = (b)cosine theta WRT to the variable (b) where:
- (b) is the bribery money spent by the highest bidder who lines the pockets of Jeffery Zucker and who is left of Skankles,
- Skankles is the lower limit, and
- angle theta is at least eEleventy!!!! degrees.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
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Sydney Harris single-frame cartoon - https://tinyurl.com/y2zx7rjg

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 10:54 AM (eYD0A)

360 maybe george lucas' museum of narrative art will change that.
Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (Pg+x7)
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I was under the impression Paglia was using Star Wars as an example, but, I could be wrong. Heck, probably am wrong.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:54 AM (oBfF8)

361 >>353
i think paglia was writing specifically about star wars. she was
comparing the visual qualities to 19th century historical paintings that
attracted throngs of paying viewers. my question for her would be:
where are those 19th century paintings today and why aren't people
clamoring to see them? they aren't. Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (Pg+x7)

Eventually in this piece she made claims about "her generation," the "savage nobility," "were the pioneers of feminism," "rebellion," etc.
She's good, but Paglia gonna Paglia.

Posted by: Zod at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (ZS9TG)

362 Yes. I also remember reading that he smoked SIX packs a day---until he had heart surgery late in life.

As someone who used to smoke a pack a day, how do you smoke SIX packs a day?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (CqE5x)
+++++++++++++
Eisenhower did it. 4-6 packs of Camel unfiltered a *day* during the height of the European campaign. Apparently quit cold-turkey after the War.

I can imagine the stress level of being Supreme Allied Commander in Europe leading to it....

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (I2dne)

363 As someone who used to smoke a pack a day, how do you smoke SIX packs a day?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (CqE5x)

Take the whole pack, tear the end off, and light it?

About all I can figure. You'd have to have a cigarette in your mouth every waking second to hit 6 a day.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020


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We know our cigarette packs as a standard 20 ciggies per pack. Is it possible that Sharif was smoking cigarettes from smaller packs -- that in Egypt or the like, the tobacco companies offered mini-packs with only 10 butts in each?

That'd still be 60 smokes a day.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (Ejm1K)

364 360 comments and most about art and the current state of art.

CBD, what have you unleashed?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (oBfF8)

365 I'm going to spend this morning being positive and upbeat. I am going to see something beautiful and precious in each person I encounter.

I will pray for our President and his family.

And for you, sweet Hordlings.
Posted by: Nurse ratched

What about da woodpecker ?

Posted by: JT at January 22, 2020 10:56 AM (arJlL)

366 357 Beautifully mutated.
Posted by: Zod at January 22, 2020 10:53 AM (ZS9TG)

I am _never_ going to get this catchphrase.

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 10:56 AM (sm6Pk)

367 As someone who used to smoke a pack a day, how do you smoke SIX packs a day?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (CqE5x)
+++++++++++++
Eisenhower did it. 4-6 packs of Camel unfiltered a *day* during the height of the European campaign. Apparently quit cold-turkey after the War.

I can imagine the stress level of being Supreme Allied Commander in Europe leading to it....
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (I2dne)

I think John Wayne did 5-6 packs a day.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:56 AM (CqE5x)

368 356 Ayn Rand said it best and all you need to know about the differences between the nihilist cultural Marxist artists and us:

"Art is a selective re-creation of reality according to an artist's metaphysical value-judgments."
Posted by: ShainS, Club Gulag > Club Gitmo at January 22, 2020 10:52 AM (Ty6Zr)

That is pretty solid.

We see meaning, whether fair or foul, pleasant or sinister.

They see a meaningless existence where there is nothing but parasitizing whatever sucker will trust them.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 10:57 AM (J+mig)

369 He was born in Egypt into a Melkite Catholic family. His real name was Michael Dimitri Chalhoub. He changed his name to Omar Shariff when he *supposedly* converted to Islam.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:47 AM (CqE5x)

Shariff rocked the Casbah. But he didn't like it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:57 AM (Kpl3J)

370 "23 control art critics and art museums..."

as i commented earlier, it was the communist controlled art critics in europe that denounced abstract expressionism when it was exhibited by the u.s. govt in europe in the 60's.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:57 AM (Pg+x7)

371 Really...who woulda' thought Charlotte could get hammered by a hurricane?
Posted by: BignJames
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Opal came up from the Gulf and smacked Atlanta pretty hard.

The worst weather event we've had in decades in W. NC was when Ivan came up this way. Very weird track : https://tinyurl.com/rbx8xjd

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 10:58 AM (eYD0A)

372 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 10:54 AM (eYD0A)

Heh! I have used that in a HS geometry proofs class... It's a constant in that it always results in failure.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 22, 2020 10:58 AM (8dJG7)

373 Omar Shariff was a world class bridge player.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:58 AM (VzbI8)

374 He was born in Egypt into a Melkite Catholic family. His real name was Michael Dimitri Chalhoub. He changed his name to Omar Shariff when he *supposedly* converted to Islam.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:47 AM (CqE5x)

Shariff rocked the Casbah. But he didn't like it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 10:57 AM (Kpl3J)

He actually converted to marry a Muslim actress...

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:58 AM (CqE5x)

375 Okay, way OT but about the sidebar. That Chattanooga paper that claimed the WPA (and the New Deal) were Teddy Roosevelt's even got the damn correction wrong.

Per the correction:
... incorrectly identified the Work Project Administration program as part ...

The WPA was the "Works Project Administration" - *not* the "Work Project Administration."

How can you screw up really significantly and then screw up the correction about that screw up? Are they going to correct that, too?

Good grief. And these people think they're elite.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 10:59 AM (I2dne)

376 He actually converted to marry a Muslim actress...
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:58 AM (CqE5x)

Just one?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 22, 2020 10:59 AM (KUaJL)

377 There's a thought-provoking movie about art, about how it's enjoyed, called "Summer Hours." French movie, very talky, was sponsored by the Musee D'Orsay museum in hopes that it would inspire people to leave their French art collections to their museum (or any museum) so that it is preserved and available to all. Not sure that message is made in "Summer Hours," though. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2020 10:59 AM (bDqIh)

378
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at January 22, 2020 10:39 AM (C+We0)


Another practitioner of the ASCIIist School heard from

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 10:59 AM (pNxlR)

379 Six 20-ciggie packs a day = 120 cigarettes in a 12-hour day = 10 an hour = a cigarette every 6 minutes (or every 9-10 minutes in an 18-hour day). When could you eat?

Never mind; with that kind of tobacco consumption, you'd probably have very little appetite anyway.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 10:59 AM (Ejm1K)

380 367 I can imagine the stress level of being Supreme Allied Commander in Europe leading to it....
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (I2dne)

I think John Wayne did 5-6 packs a day.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:56 AM (CqE5x)

Even if you could finish a cigarette in 2 minutes, 6 packs is still 4 hours of nonstop smoking.

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 11:00 AM (sm6Pk)

381 353 i think paglia was writing specifically about star wars. she was comparing the visual qualities to 19th century historical paintings that attracted throngs of paying viewers. my question for her would be: where are those 19th century paintings today and why aren't people clamoring to see them? they aren't.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (Pg+x7)

In the case of a local gallery, they are selling them off for contemporary stuff.

Only the really large galleries, or those with established reputations, are keeping the Traditionalist art. The Modernist galleries are only showing Modernism/PostModernism to "stay fresh and exciting" but are finding it hard to attract patrons because only a very small public wants to see that stuff, then passive-aggressively insult the wider public for not wanting to see what they say is art.

Western Traditionalism then gets deposited in smaller and smaller collections, some private where no one can see it, or foreign (where few can see it). The greater public is left with what is left and is left culturally ignorant as a result. This invites more ridicule. It's a giant spiral.

Posted by: Kris at January 22, 2020 11:00 AM (OyyDO)

382 373
Omar Shariff was a world class bridge player.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 10:58 AM (VzbI

He doesn't like it.
Rock the snack bar
Rock the snack bar.

Posted by: The Clash at January 22, 2020 11:00 AM (ufFY8)

383 Can't get over how ugly Bezos' gf is.


It's a man, baby!

Posted by: Wut at January 22, 2020 11:00 AM (NSFCQ)

384 Even if you could finish a cigarette in 2 minutes, 6 packs is still 4 hours of nonstop smoking.
Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 11:00 AM (sm6Pk)
+++++++++++
I imagine it was chain-smoking during every waking hour. Would *you* tell Eisenhower to cut back? I wouldn't.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:00 AM (I2dne)

385 as i commented earlier, it was the communist controlled art critics in europe that denounced abstract expressionism when it was exhibited by the u.s. govt in europe in the 60's.
Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:57 AM (Pg+x7)

What better way to have the West continue on that path and create your own deniability.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 22, 2020 11:00 AM (VzbI8)

386 Yeah, the only thing that "art" needs is a dead shrimp or two (after a fishing trip to the beach) and it would've been a copy of B'Boy^2's room in his teens.

The shrimp would be hidden, of course, and you'd need to find them. Realism is important. The prize would be another dead shrimp.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 22, 2020 11:01 AM (HaL55)

387 "Art is a selective re-creation of reality according to an artist's metaphysical value-judgments."
Posted by: ShainS, Club Gulag > Club Gitmo at January 22, 2020 10:52 AM (Ty6Zr)

Substitute "Everything" for "Art" and "a person's" for "an artist's," and you pretty much have the gist of postmodernism. Once reason was separated from reality, once it was denied that we can know anything outside of our own skulls, it was all over.

Posted by: Al Crapton at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (GlmxK)

388 I've long taken preemptive pity on the museum curators 50 - 100 years in the future that will have to figure out how to tactfully dispose of the unwanted garbage (some of it literally garbage) post-modern art in their collection.

But perhaps that's just me being too optimistic.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (hdzef)

389 Even if you could finish a cigarette in 2 minutes, 6 packs is still 4 hours of nonstop smoking.
Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 11:00 AM (sm6Pk)

The only thing I can think of is that a lot of the cigarettes are wasted. Either left burning in an ashtray, or lit up to take a drag or two and them discarded.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (CqE5x)

390 messy bedroom: I don't get, don't care that I don't get it

"Wading Out": I get it, I've seen paintings I like better but at least I understand it.

Posted by: Shoey77 at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (lg4FP)

391 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 10:59 AM (Ejm1K)

There was guy like that in the A school I went to as young Jarhead. The guy literally lit a new one as the old one reached the butt. He had skin like leather and his mustache was nicotine yellow. I absolutely hated going to the desk to ask for help.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 22, 2020 11:03 AM (8dJG7)

392 I don't know how much I like the wading out picture. The colors, at least, are not pretty to me. But the patterns in the water are fascinating and I like the figure (the tree leaves took a while to figure out). But I like how the figure adds movement and a sense of something happening. Is the hand stretched out behind urging someone else to follow or does it indicate a reluctance to go forward? I'm given things to think about. I like that.

The bed doesn't ask any questions. It's a big who-cares. I mean, oh look, panty-hose. Someone sleeping there must have been a woman... or not. Yawn.

Posted by: Synova at January 22, 2020 11:03 AM (BD/yx)

393 Not every piece of art is a statement.

Not every statement is a piece of art.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 22, 2020 11:03 AM (FOGOI)

394 I've long taken preemptive pity on the museum curators 50 - 100 years in the future that will have to figure out how to tactfully dispose of the unwanted garbage (some of it literally garbage) post-modern art in their collection.

But perhaps that's just me being too optimistic.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (hdzef)
+++++++++++++
Big museums have big, climate-controlled storage rooms. Modern catacombs. All of this art will land there. Eventually, it will be forgotten.

Sadly, it will also survive and future archaeologists will see what we did.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:03 AM (I2dne)

395 388 I've long taken preemptive pity on the museum curators 50 - 100 years in the future that will have to figure out how to tactfully dispose of the unwanted garbage (some of it literally garbage) post-modern art in their collection.

But perhaps that's just me being too optimistic.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (hdzef)

To say nothing of the poor suckers harboring exhibits made up of piss and feces.

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 11:03 AM (sm6Pk)

396 How can you screw up really significantly and then screw up the correction about that screw up? Are they going to correct that, too?

Good grief. And these people think they're elite.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
---------

Well, it's because they are ignorant, unschooled.

Hard, though, to top '...Moses getting water from Iraq...'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 11:04 AM (eYD0A)

397 He actually converted to marry a Muslim actress...
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:58 AM (CqE5x)

Just one?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 22, 2020 10:59 AM (KUaJL)

He banged every actress he worked with. His affair with Streisand (obviously) caused controversy.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:04 AM (CqE5x)

398 >On modern art there is a scene in the movie The Collector with Terrance Stamp and Samantha Eggar. She's trying to explain to him why modern art is good and he's telling her it's nothing but rubbish. She says just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't good. He responds with It's not good and normal people see it as rubbish but her and her snooty friends tell themselves it's good so they can feel superior to other people
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2020 10:30 AM (mpeBU)

Kneel before Zod.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 22, 2020 11:04 AM (KEi+l)

399 The only thing I can think of is that a lot of the cigarettes are wasted. Either left burning in an ashtray, or lit up to take a drag or two and them discarded.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (CqE5x)
++++++++++++
Almost certainly part of it. Cigarettes were cheap and plentiful. Take a drag or two, get distracted, light up another one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:04 AM (I2dne)

400 I had a youtube video about the TV show The Expanse going for background noise the other day, where the video narrator brought on "someone who knows how to tell a story on account of being a 3 time Hugo winner, N K Jemisen"

I LOLed

Posted by: ptschett at January 22, 2020 11:04 AM (uHE/j)

401 388 I've long taken preemptive pity on the museum curators 50 - 100 years in the future that will have to figure out how to tactfully dispose of the unwanted garbage (some of it literally garbage) post-modern art in their collection.

But perhaps that's just me being too optimistic.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (hdzef)

Actually it's going to be easy. One day, it will just be gone, and nobody will even notice. Or care.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2020 11:04 AM (Kpl3J)

402 There was guy like that in the A school I went to as young Jarhead. The guy literally lit a new one as the old one reached the butt. He had skin like leather and his mustache was nicotine yellow. I absolutely hated going to the desk to ask for help.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 22, 2020


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*

A miracle it is that I never took up smoking cigarettes. My mother smoked all during my childhood and adolescence, and at least two of my fictional heroes, James Bond and Ellery Queen, were big smokers. But I never got into it, thank God.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 11:04 AM (Ejm1K)

403 388 I've long taken preemptive pity on the museum curators 50 - 100 years in the future that will have to figure out how to tactfully dispose of the unwanted garbage (some of it literally garbage) post-modern art in their collection.

But perhaps that's just me being too optimistic.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (hdzef)

If I were curator, it'd be set out on the curb for bulk pickup. An artistic, black and white photograph of it arrayed on the curb would be commissioned and prominently displayed, titled "Taking Out The Trash".

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 11:04 AM (J+mig)

404 The most unbelievable part of Children of Men was actual art being in the Tate Modern.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 11:05 AM (q80AH)

405
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 10:54 AM (eYD0A)


That is on a refrigerator magnet in this domicile, thanks to Sigma Xi.

"Global Enwarmening Theory" in one frame ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 11:05 AM (pNxlR)

406 I shot Omar Shariff but I did not shot the debutante. Always loved that song!

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 22, 2020 11:05 AM (6VO15)

407 as i commented earlier, it was the communist controlled art critics in europe that denounced abstract expressionism when it was exhibited by the u.s. govt in europe in the 60's.
Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 10:57 AM (Pg+x7)

Because Abstract Expressionism was being used in American propaganda to criticize Socialist Realism. "See, our culture encourages creative freedom and freedom of expression." Anything that criticized the glorious people's revolution is bad and must be denounced.

Posted by: Kris at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (OyyDO)

408 I bet he didn't look a day over 70.

Posted by: JAS at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (DBGf/)

409 CBD, what have you unleashed?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (oBfF

It wasn't my intent...I swear!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Brutal Statist at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (wYseH)

410 Almost certainly part of it. Cigarettes were cheap and plentiful. Take a drag or two, get distracted, light up another one.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:04 AM (I2dne)

this is how vaping works.
Take a couple of drags, then put it away.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (CqE5x)

411 A judge in Michigan just refused to dismiss a Christian group's lawsuit against the SPLC for calling them a "hate group". So start your popcorn. (h/t Insty)

Posted by: Ian S. at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (ZGrMX)

412 "The Children of Men" is a great book. Whoreywood fucked up the film.

Posted by: JAS at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (DBGf/)

413 Biden on Moaning Joe's show says he was 'embarrassed' for the Senate after watching Trump's legal team during the trial.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 11:07 AM (wiXsO)

414 Wheres the used condoms on the bed? Oh Lesbo maybe. wait can't women ejaculate? I mean men MENstruate...wait...oh hell nevermind.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 22, 2020 11:07 AM (hmgiv)

415 There was guy like that in the A school I went to as young Jarhead. The guy literally lit a new one as the old one reached the butt. He had skin like leather and his mustache was nicotine yellow. I absolutely hated going to the desk to ask for help.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead


Looked like he was 70? Only 21?

Night shift prison guards used to look that way.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 11:07 AM (Jk+3L)

416 CBD, what have you unleashed?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (oBfF

It wasn't my intent...I swear!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Brutal Statist at January 22, 2020


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That's OK, CBD. This is by way of being a palate cleanser, right? We'll appreciate the more representational paintings in future.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 11:08 AM (Ejm1K)

417 I can go out and rip through two packs of cigs in an outing... 40 in let's say oh i don't know six hours.

I think "Oh hell, how did I pull that one off?"

Then i realize probably half were bummed out to friends and drunken strangers....

So who the hell knows.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 22, 2020 11:08 AM (FOGOI)

418 >>> CBD, what have you unleashed?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (oBfF

It wasn't my intent...I swear!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Brutal Statist at

Sans bewbs, no less. Impressive indeed.

Posted by: Jen Rubin at January 22, 2020 11:08 AM (jPtGI)

419 "The Children of Men" is a great book. Whoreywood fucked up the film.
Posted by: JAS at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (DBGf/)
++++++++++++
Never read it. When I watched it, it was just an anti-Bush/anti-America screed, IIRC. Book's good, though? Maybe I'll add it to my list.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:08 AM (I2dne)

420

Big museums have big, climate-controlled storage rooms. Modern catacombs. All of this art will land there. Eventually, it will be forgotten.

Sadly, it will also survive and future archaeologists will see what we did.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)


Ha! Can you imagine the future archeologist who stumbles across this "art" and just figures a bum was living in the back away from people in order to get some free shelter?

Posted by: imp at January 22, 2020 11:08 AM (SFOr6)

421 The opening scene of Werner Herzog's "Aguirre - The Wrath of God" is art, to me.

The stunning cinematography, the brilliant and distinctive soundtrack by the great soundtrackers Popol Vuh, the mind-boggling as you try to figure out how they even filmed the damn thing. Art.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/gvumjd8

Great flick.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 22, 2020 11:08 AM (XN+hF)

422 414 Wheres the used condoms on the bed? Oh Lesbo maybe. wait can't women ejaculate? I mean men MENstruate...wait...oh hell nevermind.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 22, 2020 11:07 AM (hmgiv)

Ejillulate?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 22, 2020 11:09 AM (FOGOI)

423 CBD, what have you unleashed?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (oBfF

It wasn't my intent...I swear!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


Your taking this 100 comment rule kinda far.
400+ comments and still on topic.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 11:09 AM (Jk+3L)

424 Biden on Moaning Joe's show says he was 'embarrassed' for the Senate after watching Trump's legal team during the trial.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 11:07 AM (wiXsO)

Yeah. Sure, gramps.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:09 AM (CqE5x)

425 Stupid sock/Rubin

Posted by: Tinker at January 22, 2020 11:09 AM (jPtGI)

426 No wonder the Communists flocked to postmodernism. It's perfect for them. They don't have to explain anything.

"Socialism is a faiure... you can see people starving in the streets..."

"Starving is relative."

Posted by: Al Crapton at January 22, 2020 11:09 AM (GlmxK)

427 423 CBD, what have you unleashed?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at January 22, 2020 10:55 AM (oBfF

It wasn't my intent...I swear!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


Your taking this 100 comment rule kinda far.
400+ comments and still on topic.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 11:09 AM (Jk+3L)

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This means that for the next 4 art threads, we can go off topic immediately.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 22, 2020 11:09 AM (q80AH)

428 "The Children of Men" is a great book. Whoreywood fucked up the film.
Posted by: JAS at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (DBGf/)
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Never read it. When I watched it, it was just an anti-Bush/anti-America screed, IIRC. Book's good, though? Maybe I'll add it to my list.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020


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I read it recently, and it is pretty good SF for a writer who never dabbled in the field before (P.D. James was known for her mysteries).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 11:09 AM (Ejm1K)

429 426 No wonder the Communists flocked to postmodernism. It's perfect for them. They don't have to explain anything.

"Socialism is a faiure... you can see people starving in the streets..."

"Starving is relative."
Posted by: Al Crapton at January 22, 2020 11:09 AM (GlmxK)

"People? Those aren't people."

Posted by: Allie at January 22, 2020 11:10 AM (sm6Pk)

430 Ha! Can you imagine the future archeologist who stumbles across this "art" and just figures a bum was living in the back away from people in order to get some free shelter?
Posted by: imp at January 22, 2020 11:08 AM (SFOr6)
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Sadly, they'll figure out that the spaces were expensive and important and carefully constructed. They will figure that the contents were cherished treasures. Then they will qualitatively assess those treasures and draw certain conclusions about why this civilization failed.

They may end up being right...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:10 AM (I2dne)

431 "Wading Out": I get it, I've seen paintings I like better but at least I understand it.
Posted by: Shoey77 at January 22, 2020 11:02 AM (lg4FP)

Which means it's actually art. You don't necessarily like it or love it, but through its medium, it conveyed meaning.

That's the core difference between art and postmodern flimflam. Art has meaning. Postmodernism is pretentious, meaningless drek.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 11:10 AM (J+mig)

432 As someone who used to smoke a pack a day, how do you smoke SIX packs a day?

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 10:51 AM (CqE5x)



John Wayne did it and Jackie Gleason smoked 5 packs a day. They must a lit up one cigarette after another all day

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2020 11:10 AM (kw5n8)

433 Biden on Moaning Joe's show says he was 'embarrassed' for the Senate after watching Trump's legal team during the trial.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 11:07 AM (wiXsO)
+++++++++++++
Did he say why? Is it because the Senate permitted a defense?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:11 AM (I2dne)

434 I can go out and rip through two packs of cigs in an outing... 40 in let's say oh i don't know six hours.

I think "Oh hell, how did I pull that one off?"

Then i realize probably half were bummed out to friends and drunken strangers....

So who the hell knows.
Posted by: Warai-otoko


I could do that without bumming out any. Worst was a three pack day at work one day.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 11:11 AM (Jk+3L)

435 A judge in Michigan just refused to dismiss a Christian group's lawsuit against the SPLC for calling them a "hate group". So start your popcorn. (h/t Insty)
Posted by: Ian S.
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SPLC - Money laundering outfit for the Left. Those bastards deserve to be smacked hard.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 11:11 AM (eYD0A)

436 "The Children of Men" is a great book. Whoreywood fucked up the film.
Posted by: JAS at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (DBGf/)
++++++++++++
Never read it. When I watched it, it was just an anti-Bush/anti-America screed, IIRC. Book's good, though? Maybe I'll add it to my list.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020

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I read it recently, and it is pretty good SF for a writer who never dabbled in the field before (P.D. James was known for her mysteries).
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020


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I meant to add that many "literary" authors try science fiction and fail: They get one element right, but they go off the rails elsewhere. James was a storyteller and strong plotter, so she didn't have that problem.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 11:11 AM (Ejm1K)

437 The suit filed against HRC by Tulsi is quite the entertaining read. (pdf) https://bit.ly/2sRFKJu

"Tulsi Gabbard is running for President of the United States, a position Clinton has long coveted, but has not been able to attain."

LOL

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at January 22, 2020 11:12 AM (2GPSc)

438 Is this comment art?

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2020 11:12 AM (QLPEO)

439
On the Causal Relation Between Research Grant Lifetimes and Projected 'Crisis' Dates for 'Climate Catastrophe'

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 11:12 AM (pNxlR)

440 Sometimes i'll get two packs before heading out for the evening... A pack of Dunhills for me, and a pack of Marb lights for the hoi polloi.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 22, 2020 11:12 AM (FOGOI)

441 John Wayne did it and Jackie Gleason smoked 5 packs a day. They must a lit up one cigarette after another all day
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2020 11:10 AM (kw5n

Probably drank, stayed up late and played cards.

You can easily burn through a couple packs playing poker

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:13 AM (CqE5x)

442 John Wayne did it and Jackie Gleason smoked 5 packs a day. They must a lit up one cigarette after another all day
Posted by: TheQuietMan
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Gleason might have smoked more, but had to stop long enough for another sip of Scotch. NTTAWWT.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 11:13 AM (eYD0A)

443 48 Tracey Emin is a slob.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 09:42 AM (wiXsO)

Ell Emin O Pee

Posted by: m at January 22, 2020 11:13 AM (KXX3K)

444 AoS: Smart Military and Smart Art blog.

Who knew?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 11:13 AM (oBfF8)

445 Go to a student art show and make up titles.
I'll never repay my student loans.
Would you like fries with that?
etc.

I suppose it's like gold mining where you have to move a lot of dirt.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2020 11:14 AM (FhXTo)

446 Sometimes i'll get two packs before heading out for the evening... A pack of Dunhills for me, and a pack of Marb lights for the hoi polloi.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 22, 2020


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Now and then I miss smoking my pipes, and have the desire to get one out and use it. But my tobacco is all dried up, you practically have to submit a retina scan to buy new pipe tobacco in a store, and I can't take the pipe anywhere to smoke. So the beautiful wooden sculptures stay in their boxes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 11:14 AM (Ejm1K)

447 Sometimes i'll get two packs before heading out for the evening... A pack of Dunhills for me, and a pack of Marb lights for the hoi polloi.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 22, 2020 11:12 AM (FOGOI)

I used to buy Dunhills every once in awhile to try to come off as suave or sophisticated.

It didn't work.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:14 AM (CqE5x)

448 AoS: Smart Military and Smart Art blog.

Who knew?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 22, 2020 11:13 AM (oBfF
+++++++++++++
War and art both predate agriculture...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:14 AM (I2dne)

449 "Tulsi Gabbard is running for President of the United States, a position Clinton has long coveted, but has not been able to attain."

LOL


That's fantastic. She'll throw a lamp or two when she reads that.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 22, 2020 11:14 AM (ZGrMX)

450

Sadly, they'll figure out that the spaces were expensive and important and carefully constructed. They will figure that the contents were cherished treasures. Then they will qualitatively assess those treasures and draw certain conclusions about why this civilization failed.

They may end up being right...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)


bet you're fun at parties...

Just fucking with you. Seriously, though, you're right, because they will box it wholesale and complete, so it will look like a piece of art rather than the piece of shit it truly is.

Posted by: imp at January 22, 2020 11:14 AM (SFOr6)

451 I used to buy Dunhills every once in awhile to try to come off as suave or sophisticated.

It didn't work.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:14 AM (CqE5x)
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What if you smoke a Dunhill while impersonating Mitt Romney? People seem to give him lots of sophistication points (not here, but idiots elsewhere seem to).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:15 AM (I2dne)

452 More whining from the Democrats.


And more pressuring to bring in MOARRR WITNESSES!!!.


Clown foolery.

Posted by: Mr. Wiffle Snuff at January 22, 2020 11:15 AM (BU88g)

453 Biden on Moaning Joe's show says he was 'embarrassed' for the Senate after watching Trump's legal team during the trial.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 11:07 AM (wiXsO)

Clarence Thomas laughs.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:15 AM (CqE5x)

454 bet you're fun at parties...

Just fucking with you. Seriously, though, you're right, because they will box it wholesale and complete, so it will look like a piece of art rather than the piece of shit it truly is.
Posted by: imp at January 22, 2020 11:14 AM (SFOr6)
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I don't get invited to many parties

Maybe there will be a fire someday that purges it. One can hope.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:16 AM (I2dne)

455 War and art both predate agriculture...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:14 AM (I2dne)

But not boobehs

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at January 22, 2020 11:16 AM (CLteG)

456 It wasn't my intent...I swear!

Heh. Still a great post. And I did thank the real author upthread.

Thanks for trying to edumacate me in art, CBD. And Kris. And R. Bledsoe. IMO, these posts are fun, as is the Art Thread in general.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 22, 2020 11:16 AM (HaL55)

457 Biden on Moaning Joe's show says he was 'embarrassed' for the Senate after watching Trump's legal team during the trial.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020


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And we, the sensible Americans, are embarrassed that this stumbling pre-dementia fool is being taken seriously as presidential timber.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 22, 2020 11:17 AM (Ejm1K)

458 450 comments and nobody mentioned the Stuckists or Thee Headcoatees or that mustache!

Does nobody know Billy Childish?

Posted by: Chap at January 22, 2020 11:17 AM (rRBrC)

459 I used to buy Dunhills every once in awhile to try to come off as suave or sophisticated.

It didn't work.
Posted by: JoeF.


Ordering boilermakers is usually a tell.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 11:17 AM (Jk+3L)

460 What if you smoke a Dunhill while impersonating Mitt Romney? People seem to give him lots of sophistication points (not here, but idiots elsewhere seem to).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:15 AM (I2dne)

The irony of course is that Romney wouldn't be caught dead smoking anything.

"Smoking is unseemly", he'd say.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:17 AM (CqE5x)

461 Tulsi is suing Hillary for $50 mill b/c of the Russian asset quip.
Good. Hit that bitch where in hurts: right in the c^*t wallet.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 22, 2020 11:17 AM (bWBdM)

462 Mitt Rombley would never defile his saintly temple-body with filthy, dirty cigarettes, not even fancy-schmancy ones!

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 22, 2020 11:17 AM (XN+hF)

463 Wuhan Update.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7915845

10,000 cases in Wuhan (estimated).



Hubei Government says 526 diagnosed cases and 17 deaths.



Same infection mechanism as SARS:



https://tinyurl.com/vqbp3a4

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at January 22, 2020 11:17 AM (XzVUd)

464 I appreciate the art thread as an escape from politics and current events. it gives the Horde a chance to be the Horde.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 22, 2020 11:17 AM (d7Ww2)

465 Biden on Moaning Joe's show says he was 'embarrassed' for the Senate after watching Trump's legal team during the trial.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 11:07 AM (wiXsO)

Clarence Thomas laughs.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:15 AM (CqE5x)
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Good response, JoeF. That should be shoved down Biden's throat at every juncture, every time he talks about the magisterial Senate or norms or whatever.

It's on videotape. Just like him boasting about strong-arming the Ukraine to protect his friends. Yet, silence.

Odd, no? (/sarc, obviously)

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:18 AM (I2dne)

466 Biden on Moaning Joe's show says he was 'embarrassed' for the Senate after watching Trump's legal team during the trial.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 11:07 AM (wiXsO)
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Did he say why? Is it because the Senate permitted a defense?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020 11:11 AM (I2dne)


Does Low IQ Meeka have her concerned frowny face on, cosmetic surgery permitting?

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2020 11:18 AM (y7DUB)

467 "The Children of Men" is a great book. Whoreywood fucked up the film.
Posted by: JAS at January 22, 2020 11:06 AM (DBGf/)
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Never read it. When I watched it, it was just an anti-Bush/anti-America screed, IIRC. Book's good, though? Maybe I'll add it to my list.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 22, 2020

From what I've heard, the movie completely upended the meaning of the book.

Posted by: josephistan at January 22, 2020 11:18 AM (7HtZB)

468 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2020 11:18 AM (Jk+3L)

469

O/T - who else has been sick with a long lasting (2 weeks +) sinus/throat bug (little to no cough) that is causing breakout around the mouth and lips? It seems like a west coast thing, since I'm dealing with it and I have people up and down the coast from me who have had it in various forms.

Posted by: imp at January 22, 2020 11:18 AM (SFOr6)

470 Nood ape

Posted by: Tinker at January 22, 2020 11:18 AM (ilTjN)

471 I used to buy Dunhills every once in awhile to try to come off as suave or sophisticated.

It didn't work.
Posted by: JoeF.

No one can tell you are actually smoking a Dunhill, so you leave the cool-looking pack, lean and wide, open on the bar in front of you.

People help themselves.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:18 AM (CqE5x)

472
Bedwetter!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 22, 2020 11:19 AM (pNxlR)

473 O/T - who else has been sick with a long lasting (2 weeks +) sinus/throat bug (little to no cough) that is causing breakout around the mouth and lips? It seems like a west coast thing, since I'm dealing with it and I have people up and down the coast from me who have had it in various forms.
Posted by: imp at January 22, 2020 11:18 AM (SFOr6)

Coronavirus?

Posted by: JoeF. at January 22, 2020 11:19 AM (CqE5x)

474 The sniper's muzzle is cleverly disguised as a used condom.

Posted by: Fritz at January 22, 2020 11:20 AM (2Mnv1)

475 Very true and well expressed. Loved the article.

Posted by: Jack at January 22, 2020 11:22 AM (7U5Zw)

476 "I was there for a long time and I never saw anything like that." Joe Biden

Posted by: redridinghood at January 22, 2020 11:22 AM (wiXsO)

477 407 kris. yes. exhibits of abstract expressionism were attacked as u.s. imperialism. the communists were well integrated in post war european society, they had newspapers, unions, big electoral presence. and they advocated social realism following the ussr.

Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 11:23 AM (Pg+x7)

478 Mitt Rombley would never defile his saintly temple-body with filthy, dirty cigarettes, not even fancy-schmancy ones!
Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 22, 2020 11:17 AM (XN+hF)


I bet he would consider just holding one of the fancy ones with rose hips bleed in.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 22, 2020 11:23 AM (1g7ch)

479 477 407 kris. yes. exhibits of abstract expressionism were attacked as u.s. imperialism. the communists were well integrated in post war european society, they had newspapers, unions, big electoral presence. and they advocated social realism following the ussr.
Posted by: mjc at January 22, 2020 11:23 AM (Pg+x7)

We turned their own weapon against them, and found meaning in something they intended to be meaningless.

I can imagine that behind closed doors, there were a lot of senior party officials screaming their heads off at the KGB's subversion experts.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at January 22, 2020 11:27 AM (J+mig)

480 I appreciate the art thread as an escape from politics and current events. it gives the Horde a chance to be the Horde.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Would you like to come over and see my etchings?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2020 11:28 AM (eYD0A)

481 Immanuel Kant was a real Pissant.

Posted by: saf at January 22, 2020 11:28 AM (5IHGB)

482 Modern 'artists' deserve the same grudging respect due other really successful swindlers.

Posted by: Vlad the impaler,whittling away like mad at January 22, 2020 11:29 AM (d6mdH)

483 The Remodern Composer Refuses To Die

https://youtu.be/jCIU7ei6izg

Posted by: rechill at January 22, 2020 11:33 AM (Q1LXu)

484 A Story.

I have an acquaintance of mine who is a curator. She has worked at a number of museums around the US and a few in Europe (its closed shop there).

I remember one anecdote of hers. Since I work with deceased individuals she asked me how I would go about preserving a sculpture, over 7 feet tall, made from bread and blood. Being the mildly autistic nerd that I am, I mentioned cryonic preservation, slow freeze-drying, and a number of techniques. She then said, "No, at the gallery. It has to be experienced by the public."

I replied that if it was in my area I would notify the local Health officials and declare it a biohazard category 2 at least, and if the blood was human then 3. In hindsight, probably level 4 - artists and their drug habits with concurrent blood born pathogens these days. I even said I'd call it in for her, using the right words to get the officials of their lazy butts. Make then show up in the full hazmat suits.

She laughed at that, insisted that I not do that. Not sure what she did with that "art"

Posted by: Matthew H Iskra at January 22, 2020 11:38 AM (0MpOC)

485 "Wading out into the oil slick to save an otter.

Posted by: The Guy at January 22, 2020 11:40 AM (Xsynu)

486 Good for the brave adherents of the Remodern movement. We'll know they've arrived when they have significant representation at a future Miami Art Basel.

Posted by: 370H55V at January 22, 2020 11:48 AM (3T4gL)

487 Who's Tracey Emin and why do I care what her bed looks like?

Posted by: Tami at January 22, 2020 09:38 AM (cF8AT)
The time will come when you will be made to know who Tracey Emin is.

Posted by: Banjo at January 22, 2020 12:07 PM (tSiV9)

488 Thoreau: Art is a revelation of man; nature is a revelation of God.
I have a small plaque of this quote, love it.

Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at January 22, 2020 12:21 PM (+CiEK)

489 Excellent blog post, thank you for the introduction to remodernism! This post is #1 with a bullet today.

I will/must explore remodernism. The postmods have gone postal on the scene, and there is so little that one wants to see anymore.

Or hear. Are there remodern blips in music yet? Obviously not referring to pop music. Can't take any more of that Koyaanisqatsi kind of bullshit in concert.

Posted by: Oh look that squirrel didn't make the bed at January 22, 2020 12:39 PM (64PZ4)

490 Remodernism. I like it. From now on, I am a Remodernist artist, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: Saber Alter at January 22, 2020 02:09 PM (D9E0b)

491 Also

"46 The same push has happened in all media. The latest Disney Star Wars trilogy is a perfect example of post-modern deconstruction.
Posted by: grognard at January 22, 2020 09:42 AM (sb+Cg)"

I'm not sure I'd call that hot mess a postmodern deconstruction, unless you're talking about the "artists" who have no idea what they're doing, don't actually have any real talent or creativity to speak of but still want to brag to other people that they're "artists", and label their adult equivalents of elementary school macaroni art as "postmodern" because it's not really art.

The Star Wars sequels are what happen when one dude wants to turn them into yet more Marvel popcorn flicks, then passes it off to another dude who has no idea what to do with them and just throws a bunch of random shit together and calls it a "deconstruction" to hide the fact that even he realizes it's just a hot random mess with no direction at all, then pass the ball back to the previous guy who tries to make another popcorn Marvel action flick.

See, a good deconstruction doesn't have to be a postmodern random mess from a hack wannabe. In the hands of proper artists, it can even add to the canon. To wit, game studio Obsidian came out with the sequel to Bioware's Knights of the Old Republic game. It was rushed out thanks to EA once again, but if you're interested there are mods that add the story back in so that it's actually a pretty good game. With the mods added, it clearly becomes something of a soft deconstruction where the player is challenged to consider what being Light Side of the Force and Dark Side really entail. Just "doing good" or aping Yoda isn't enough, and you have to weigh which one matters more, just being Light Side or actually helping the people Jedi are supposed to help. And there are even similar questions and dilemmas for Dark Siders.

tl'dr We already had a Star Wars deconstruction and it was MUCH better than the sequel crap.

Posted by: Saber Alter at January 22, 2020 02:25 PM (D9E0b)

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