Surprise! FISC Court Picks a Kneejerk FBI-Defender and Collusion Conspiracy Peddler As Its Pointman to Fix the Broken System He Claimed Wasn't Broken At All

Ever get the sense that our Ruling Class is just tired and wants us to put them out of office?

The nation's top spy court appointed an Obama-era Justice Department official who has denied and downplayed FBI surveillance abuse to assess the FBI's response to a scathing new report cataloguing problems with how the agency secured authority to spy on a Donald Trump campaign affiliate.

...

Kris, who served as assistant attorney general for the DOJ’s National Security Division, recently claimed the IG report that catalogued egregious abuse of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) powers actually vindicated the FBI. He also smeared Rep. Devin Nunes in 2018, saying his initial sounding of the alarm about those abuses was incorrect, threatened national security, and should be harshly punished.

Kris appeared in locations that pushed the false Russia collusion narrative, such as Rachel Maddow's MSNBC show, the Lawfare blog, and Twitter, to defend the FBI and attack President Trump and other critics of the harmful surveillance campaign. He once wrote that Trump “should be worried” that Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into treasonous collusion with Russia meant "the walls are closing in."

The appointment of a former official who served as an apologist for the FBI signals that the court isn’t particularly concerned about the civil liberty violations catalogued by Inspector General Michael Horowitz's investigation into the year-long surveillance of Carter Page.

Devin Nunes isn't having it, and says that the FISC court, by choosing a nonserious investigator, is basically telling the voters that it's time that the court was abolished.


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1 5637uh

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:43 PM (M9ntN)

2 45w6h6r7uimk9

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:43 PM (M9ntN)

3 Arpeggios
3i-4=2[k45y]54ko2

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:43 PM (M9ntN)

4 As I said yesterday, this is like putting Jaime Gorelick on the 9/11 commission.


Complete and utter bullshit.

Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 02:43 PM (mv+Oj)

5 Scales
asdfjkl;qweruipo21347890

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:43 PM (M9ntN)

6 Well? DO SOMETHING

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 02:44 PM (cEsBM)

7
Phew, thanks, Larry. I was going to have to play chords next.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:44 PM (M9ntN)

8 when is the shit going to hit the fan for these people of the left who remain in office after doing all this illegal stuff?

Posted by: DanMan at January 13, 2020 02:44 PM (XTiHL)

9 Abolish it, then

Posted by: CN at January 13, 2020 02:44 PM (U7k5w)

10
Well? DO SOMETHING
Posted by: Nevergiveup

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Is Congress the only body that can kill FISC? If so...

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:44 PM (M9ntN)

11 Man, they aren't even trying any more.

"Yeah, we done it. You want to get this over with already?"

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Brighten Your Gloom with Doom Polish from The Outrage Outlet! at January 13, 2020 02:44 PM (hLRSq)

12 They hired the fox to investigate the slaughter at the hen house.

Posted by: JAS at January 13, 2020 02:44 PM (DBGf/)

13 8: types, deletes

Posted by: CN at January 13, 2020 02:45 PM (U7k5w)

14
when is the shit going to hit the fan for these people of the left who remain in office after doing all this illegal stuff?
Posted by: DanMan

======

#TwoWeeks

evergreen hashtag

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:45 PM (M9ntN)

15 Bring out the comfy chair!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 13, 2020 02:45 PM (1CjJc)

16 @6

Yeah, Nunes needs to make a direct appeal to Trump to nix this, this is well within the executives wheel house to dictate who implements executive level oversight.


The left and neverTrumpers will scream but this is an utter disgrace.

Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 02:45 PM (mv+Oj)

17 Blond Morticia is a naught non-noodster.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 13, 2020 02:46 PM (1CjJc)

18 14: Hey, that's what I deleted.

Posted by: CN at January 13, 2020 02:46 PM (U7k5w)

19 Sic Semper Tyrannis.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 13, 2020 02:46 PM (wtvvX)

20 naughty, naughty

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 13, 2020 02:46 PM (1CjJc)

21 Chords!
I-IV-V-II-VI

Posted by: stumck at January 13, 2020 02:46 PM (w9Wax)

22 DJT, you have a phone and a pen. And exquisitely polished wing tips. Kick this guy and Wray to the curb where they belong.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at January 13, 2020 02:46 PM (pmnEy)

23 Didn't Stalin hire Beria to investigate NKVD abuses?

Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (CqE5x)

24
Nunes needs to make a direct appeal to Trump to nix this

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Does Trump fucking watch Maria Bartiromo on Sunday Morning Futures? He needs to.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (M9ntN)

25 "But Troomp doesn't respect the institutional noarmz~!~~"

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (UdCe2)

26 Thanks Dread Justice Roberts.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (CGzbQ)

27 I agree - the answer is to abolish the FISA Courts. I do not believe reform is possible, the entire effort has been a huge mistake. I used to support it, I was wrong. It's been a disaster.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (Kpl3J)

28 The foxes have thoroughly investigated themselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing regarding the henhouse.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (KAjP9)

29 Arpeggios
3i-4=2[k45y]54ko2
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:43 PM

Jib. newsletter?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (iBBEC)

30 Nunes is not having it?

What's he going to do? Write a memo?

Posted by: blaster at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (9VeU0)

31 25 "But Troomp doesn't respect the institutional noarmz~!~~"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (UdCe2)

Heh.

That's exactly why i'm gonna vote for him again.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (Ct55T)

32 @21

I have always been partial to the I-V-vi-IV.


These are the magic chords.

Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (mv+Oj)

33 Yeah, Nunes needs to make a direct appeal to Trump to nix this, this is well within the executives wheel house to dictate who implements executive level oversight.


The left and neverTrumpers will scream but this is an utter disgrace.
Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 02:45 PM (mv+Oj)

If Trump were to do this, we would just fold this action into our impeachment charges

Posted by: Adam Schifffff at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (CqE5x)

34 3i-4 = 2 [k45y] 54ko2/i]


I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (CGzbQ)

35 Devin Nunes isn't having it, and says that the FISC court, by choosing a nonserious investigator, is basically telling the voters that it's time that the court was abolished.
+++++++++++++
Do it, Nunes. Propose the legislation. Propose it every session until it happens. Do your media circuit to pressure the Senate, too. Do it.

Release FISA. Repeal the Patriot Act, too. Get moving on it. I have never donated to an out-of-state candidate but I will absolutely hurl money at his re-election if he moves forward.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (I2dne)

36 3 Arpeggios
3i-4=2[k45y]54ko2
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:43 PM (M9ntN)

*sweeps*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (KAjP9)

37 Time to defund the FISC.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (ZLI7S)

38 27
I agree - the answer is to abolish the FISA Courts. I do not believe
reform is possible, the entire effort has been a huge mistake. I used
to support it, I was wrong. It's been a disaster.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (Kpl3J)

I was wrong, too. End it. And then decimate the leadership of the institutions that abused it.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (1CjJc)

39 This is the deep state rubbing our noses in how untouchable they are.

Please, Donald, please make them pay for what they did.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (bDqIh)

40
14: Hey, that's what I deleted.
Posted by: CN

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I type so others don't have to.

Flame away, believers!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (M9ntN)

41 I'm starting to lose faith in bureaucratic betters.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (4e+hS)

42 So Blonde Morticia's cat apparently is on her keyboard as she's in the bathroom.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (iBBEC)

43 Didn't Stalin hire Beria to investigate NKVD abuses?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (CqE5x)

How'd that work out for Beria in the end?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (cEsBM)

44
"Abolish." I like that.

It's a very anodyne euphemism for what I would like to see unfold WRT to this Court and the rest of this of this totally corrupt edifice masquerading as a government.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (fUqBx)

45 Isn't the whole FISA mess just a relic of Boosh and the whole post 9-11 patriot act shitshow?

It ain't like we're talking about abolishing the supreme court or something....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (Ct55T)

46 Something something protecting the norms of our terrorism investigations.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (bDqIh)

47 Its their way of telling us "F*ck you"... next they will actually say it.

Posted by: Pliney at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (nzKWW)

48
I was told there would be no math.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

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It just "comes" on the black keys.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (M9ntN)

49 The FISC needs to be shutdown. Any covert extra-Constitutional searches need to be stopped. Immediately.Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This has been proven once again. The government has shown it can not be trusted with such immense power without abusing it. Thus, this power must be taken away from them.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 13, 2020 02:50 PM (N39Ws)

50 It just "comes" on the black keys.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM

I know, told ya I was pulling out.

Posted by: Cory Booker at January 13, 2020 02:50 PM (iBBEC)

51
Does anyone believe that this Congress will pursue the destruction of their own blackmailers?

Because I don't.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at January 13, 2020 02:50 PM (fUqBx)

52 It just "comes" on the black keys.


Eww.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2020 02:50 PM (CGzbQ)

53 This is quite directly John Roberts' responsibility.

He is in charge of the FISA court.

He appoints all the judges.

If he is, as is claimed, so desperately desirous of upholding the reputation and dignity of the courts, he, himself, could appoint someone else or call the judge who did appoint this guy and say no, no, do not do that.

I apologize for eyerolling at all the Roberts is being blackmailed claims. At this point, that makes him look less culpable than what he does now.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 02:51 PM (mf5HN)

54 I'm starting to lose faith in bureaucratic betters.
Posted by: Dr Spank



It's much better for your mental health if you have none.

Come to the dark side. You know you want to.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2020 02:51 PM (LLzS4)

55 That picture of Ayatollah Schumer and Hijab Pelosi is great !!! They must be steaming after seeing that !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at January 13, 2020 02:51 PM (qM84C)

56 >>I agree - the answer is to abolish the FISA Courts. I do not believe

reform is possible, the entire effort has been a huge mistake. I used

to support it, I was wrong. It's been a disaster.

THIS.
Couldn't have happened without John Roberts.
Can Trump replace Roberts as Chief Justice, or does he retain that position as long as he is on the SCOTUS?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 02:51 PM (bDqIh)

57 Well, if you can't trust these folks, who can't you trust? (facepalms, swears, goes back to work)

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 13, 2020 02:52 PM (iBBEC)

58 I have always been partial to the I-V-vi-IV.


These are the magic chords.
Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (mv+Oj)

"Cinnamon Girl"

Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 02:52 PM (CqE5x)

59 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 13, 2020 02:52 PM (arJlL)

60
Nunes is not having it?

What's he going to do? Write a memo?

Posted by: blaster

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What, for the love of God, is Trump waiting for?

Fire Wray.
Declassify everything.
Reappoint Mike Flynn.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:52 PM (M9ntN)

61 47
Its their way of telling us "F*ck you"... next they will actually say it.

Posted by: Pliney at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (nzKWW)

++++Yup. Pull these stunts right in front of our eyes, as if we're all turnip truck riding bumpkins.

Posted by: washrivergal at January 13, 2020 02:52 PM (+tWDL)

62 What, St. James Comey wasn't available?

Posted by: ShainS -- Make the 20's Roar Again! at January 13, 2020 02:53 PM (r4+sI)

63 Roberts must be out of his fuckin mind

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 02:53 PM (cEsBM)

64 After awhile it's indistinguishable from just sticking a thumb in our eyes, over and over.

Posted by: joncelli, entrepreneur at January 13, 2020 02:53 PM (RD7QR)

65 Didn't Stalin hire Beria to investigate NKVD abuses?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (CqE5x)

How'd that work out for Beria in the end?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (cEsBM)

Screaming and crying and on his needs in a puddle of his own shit , begging for his life.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 02:53 PM (CqE5x)

66 Abolish the FISA court and the FBI will spy on Americans without haveing to go through the hassle of getting a warrant.

Get rid of FISA, fine, but the rot is in the FBI and DC.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 13, 2020 02:53 PM (1ISKN)

67 Wow! Moar Totalitarianism!

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (aqwWL)

68 Durham is coming......( total sarc)

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (3RY1o)

69

Alternate post title:

The Swamp Hires Swamp Scum To Protect Itself

Posted by: Sgt Carter at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (XCHfW)

70 Abolish the FISA court and the FBI. Burn, salt, scatter

Posted by: Guzalot at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (prSvo)

71 All part of Trump's super secret strategy to drain the swamp.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (Rg1C8)

72 ow'd that work out for Beria in the end?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 02:49 PM (cEsBM)

Screaming and crying and on his needs in a puddle of his own shit , begging for his life.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 02:53 PM (CqE5x)

And then dead

Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (CqE5x)

73 Local news is reporting Mayo Pete was heckled at a campaign rally in Des Moines. They were chanting "Black Lives Matter", so they're trying to finish Pete off with that angle of attack, it would seem.

https://tinyurl.com/qq43pga

Posted by: Grimaldi at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (mZPPY)

74 Fire Wray.
Declassify everything.
Reappoint Mike Flynn.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:52 PM (M9ntN)

Well the first 2 maybe..Flynn is a cluster fuck and I never liked him. Case in point, he was way to chummie with the Turks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (cEsBM)

75 I agree - the answer is to abolish the FISA Courts. I do not believe reform is possible, the entire effort has been a huge mistake. I used to support it, I was wrong. It's been a disaster.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (Kpl3J)


I was one of those icky civil libertarians screaming about how awful the FISA courts would be because people will people.

I was waaaaay wrong about how bad it would be. It's worse.

It can't be fixed. Even Miss Lindsay doesn't think it can be fixed.

Burn it all down.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (mf5HN)

76 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Posted by: Lord Comey at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (2Mnv1)

77
Yup. Pull these stunts right in front of our eyes, as if we're all turnip truck riding bumpkins.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 13, 2020 02:52 PM (+tWDL)

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I don't think they think they're "fooling" anybody... they're behavior for the last three years has been flexing.

They're doing these things to tell voters loud and clear that they have no pull, their votes don't matter, and to just get with the program so things will be easier going forward.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (fUqBx)

78 27 I agree - the answer is to abolish the FISA Courts. I do not believe reform is possible, the entire effort has been a huge mistake. I used to support it, I was wrong. It's been a disaster.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (Kpl3J)

C'mon, you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes. You fucked up. You trusted us. Hey, make the best of it.

Posted by: Deep Staters, digging deeper at January 13, 2020 02:55 PM (4GdAH)

79 It will all make sense in #twoweeks.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at January 13, 2020 02:55 PM (Rg1C8)

80 They think we are all stupid.
They are wrong, of course, since only most of us are.

Posted by: atilla the thrilla at January 13, 2020 02:55 PM (w7KSn)

81

Barr is a fraud.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at January 13, 2020 02:55 PM (XCHfW)

82 Trump should just unilaterally forbid Wray every other FBI employee from signing FISA applications until he's satisfied the FBI isn't a criminal conspiracy against the Republic.

That'll get their attention.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 13, 2020 02:55 PM (hdzef)

83

I'm sure CNN and MSNBC will assure us that Kris is non-partisan and completely objective.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 13, 2020 02:56 PM (aKsyK)

84 >>I apologize for eyerolling at all the Roberts is being blackmailed
claims. At this point, that makes him look less culpable than what he
does now.

Let's say he is being blackmailed --- an honorable man would resign rather than be forced into doing the bidding of blackmailers set on controlling the Supreme Court *and* carrying out a stealth coup, deciding who is president in all future elections.

That Roberts would be willing to be used this way is just as bad as the thought of him doing this on his own as a partisan, NeverTrump jusdicial hack.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 02:56 PM (bDqIh)

85 Get rid of FISA, fine, but the rot is in the FBI and DC.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 13, 2020 02:53 PM (1ISKN)
+++++++++++
Repealing FISA needs to be one part of a large, multi-part attack on the destroyers of our liberty. Just off the top of my head, all of the following need to be completely eliminated. Where applicable, something new can be built on the rubble:
* FISA
* Patriot Act
* DoJ
* State Department
* All of the intelligence agencies except possibly DIA

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 02:56 PM (I2dne)

86 Why not Pientka, or McCord, and/or Strozk? The Deep State Dream Team.

Posted by: LASue at January 13, 2020 02:56 PM (wMHPW)

87 I think it's a big FU to Trump and all his supporters.
We really are screwd.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 13, 2020 02:57 PM (wiXsO)

88 75 I agree - the answer is to abolish the FISA Courts. I do not believe reform is possible, the entire effort has been a huge mistake. I used to support it, I was wrong. It's been a disaster.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 13, 2020 02:47 PM (Kpl3J)

I was one of those icky civil libertarians screaming about how awful the FISA courts would be because people will people.

I was waaaaay wrong about how bad it would be. It's worse.

It can't be fixed. Even Miss Lindsay doesn't think it can be fixed.

Burn it all down.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 02:54 PM (mf5HN)


=======

And when an establishment pogue like Graham turns on you, *poof*, bridges burned. If Trump gets reelected and he gets the house back I think he'll go hammer and tong against FISA et. al.

Posted by: Jackal at January 13, 2020 02:57 PM (Lyh9/)

89 Suicide by 2021 R congressional majority.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2020 02:58 PM (FhXTo)

90 People either trust Trump or they are fucking dumb.

It's been years. Wise up.

Posted by: nip at January 13, 2020 02:58 PM (Izot6)

91 when is the shit going to hit the fan for these people of the left who remain in office after doing all this illegal stuff?


Never. They have each other's back, and, if things get bad, they can rely on John Roberts.

/yes, I am that cynical

Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at January 13, 2020 02:58 PM (gauLa)

92
Let's say he is being blackmailed --- an honorable man would resign rather than be forced into doing the bidding of blackmailers set on controlling the Supreme Court *and* carrying out a stealth coup, deciding who is president in all future elections.

-------

"Once you jump in, you can't jump out, son."

If he's being blackmailed, I'm sure a condition is that he stays on the Court doing the blackmailers' bidding until he dies of old age and natural causes. Or. Else.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at January 13, 2020 02:58 PM (fUqBx)

93 >>Does anyone believe that this Congress will pursue the destruction of their own blackmailers? Because I don't.


"I know, right? The answer is 'no.' They will not pursue their blackmailers."
--- Imran Awan

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 02:58 PM (bDqIh)

94 This cannot stand.

If Roberts had anything to do with this - and clearly he oversees FISA so he did - he should be removed.

Put Barr on the Supreme Court and name Nunes AG.

Posted by: JEM at January 13, 2020 02:58 PM (8erNz)

95 85. Its actually alot easier to fix this all than that.

Just send a dozen of these assholes to jail for 5 or 10 years. The problem will fix itself.

Posted by: Pliney at January 13, 2020 02:58 PM (nzKWW)

96 #impeach Judge James E. Boasberg

Posted by: SMOD at January 13, 2020 02:59 PM (3aI0K)

97 OK, so new FISA Judge is in charge.

Who picked THEM?

Roberts?, you would think this position would take Senate Confirmation.

Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 02:59 PM (NgKpN)

98 Great! Both the ferries are down and I have to drive through National Championship and Presidential visit traffic to get home today.

I may as well spend the night at work.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 13, 2020 02:59 PM (1ISKN)

99 Maybe shit would get changed if Congress did their job creating a budget instead of these bullhshit CRs to keep funding shit like this. And POTUS owns it, too. In 2017, he promised that CR would be the last one he ever signed.

Sick of the theater.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 13, 2020 02:59 PM (aqwWL)

100 55 That picture of Ayatollah Schumer and Hijab Pelosi is great !!! They must be steaming after seeing that !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at January 13, 2020 02:51 PM (qM84C)
-----------

Truth hurts sometimes. Besides, why would they be offended? What's the offense.

Posted by: WisRich at January 13, 2020 03:00 PM (G0vdT)

101 At last we finally find out who watches the watchmen.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 13, 2020 03:00 PM (OUkUA)

102 Saying he is getting blackmailed lets CJ Roberts off the hook too much.

He is an establishment guy, that is all he is. He iwll do what he has to do to keep the show running, just like the rest of the players. He got played on his nomination, period.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at January 13, 2020 03:01 PM (JRaU+)

103 abolishing them doesn't go far enough.

Posted by: Uncle Pinochet's Heli Tours at January 13, 2020 03:01 PM (Ayk4B)

104 I am just shocked by this news. Shocked, I say, shocked.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 13, 2020 03:01 PM (r+sAi)

105 I hear that while Ukraine walks, Russia can chew gum

Posted by: SMOD at January 13, 2020 03:01 PM (3aI0K)

106 @radiojibi

.@SpeakerPelosi Here is #Tehran, Jan 13 2020.
Riot police on horses are ready for crackdown the people.

#IranProtests2020 is bigger than the Iranian student movement. Today, the nation chanting together that "We Don't want Islamic Republic anymore" So, STOP #NancyPelosiFakeNews.

https://tinyurl.com/www5g9g

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2020 03:02 PM (cF8AT)

107 85 Get rid of FISA, fine, but the rot is in the FBI and DC.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 13, 2020 02:53 PM (1ISKN)
+++++++++++
Repealing FISA needs to be one part of a large, multi-part attack on the destroyers of our liberty. Just off the top of my head, all of the following need to be completely eliminated. Where applicable, something new can be built on the rubble:
* FISA
* Patriot Act
* DoJ
* State Department
* All of the intelligence agencies except possibly DIA
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 02:56 PM (I2dne)

CRs keep funding them.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 13, 2020 03:02 PM (aqwWL)

108 102. *WE got played on his nomination* sorry.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at January 13, 2020 03:02 PM (JRaU+)

109 John Roberts is a piece of shit, isn't he?

Posted by: IC at January 13, 2020 03:03 PM (a0IVu)

110 The DC folks KNOW the only existential threat to their power, is the anger of the American people.

If they allowed us to know what is actually going on? If they ACTUALLY investigated and prosecuted all of their lawbreaking?

They would no longer get able to hide.

Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 03:03 PM (NgKpN)

111 >>John Roberts is a piece of shit, isn't he?


Yes, he is.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 03:03 PM (bDqIh)

112 I will add, Trump is the only one willing to burn the system down.

No one else in DC will, or help Trump do so.

Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 03:04 PM (NgKpN)

113 Meh,fuck the deep state Erin Gray is in a bikini on Magum pi

Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2020 03:04 PM (KNsKs)

114 It does appear the FISC court is not serious about making rules so that lying is minimized and liars are punished.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 13, 2020 03:04 PM (nAiE/)

115 Another big middle-finger from the deep state.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at January 13, 2020 03:04 PM (uGHnY)

116 They're not even bothering to hide their corrupt self-dealing.

They must really belive we are powerless.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 13, 2020 03:04 PM (1ISKN)

117 @108

The problem is that GOP Presidents have to put up ciphers where we have to hope and pray the are conservative, Donks get to nominate layers who worked for the ACLU as their nominees.


Which is why it's always a dicey proposition when Republican Presidents nominate SCOTUS judges.

Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 03:04 PM (mv+Oj)

118 It's almost as if the younger group of lawyers and judges identifying as conservatives would be considered Marxists 20-30 years ago.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 13, 2020 03:05 PM (aqwWL)

119 Can't wait for Trump hater, John Roberts to preside over the impeachment trial.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 13, 2020 03:05 PM (wiXsO)

120 My Japanese friends all say, "supplies!"

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 13, 2020 03:05 PM (+ldAm)

121 Let's say he is being blackmailed --- an honorable man would resign rather than be forced into doing the bidding of blackmailers set on controlling the Supreme Court *and* carrying out a stealth coup, deciding who is president in all future elections.

That Roberts would be willing to be used this way is just as bad as the thought of him doing this on his own as a partisan, NeverTrump jusdicial hack.
Posted by: Lizzy


They own him.

He doesn't do what they say, they spill the beans. He quits, they spill the beans.

He stays right where they want him doing what they want.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 13, 2020 03:05 PM (LLzS4)

122 They don't even care about appearances. But this was the case with the Mueller probe, as well as using the same agents for the Hillary and Trump investigations. Masks are off.

Posted by: iandeal at January 13, 2020 03:05 PM (vgGyZ)

123 And the taxpayers are paying for this cover-up. Thanks Congress and POTUS.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 13, 2020 03:06 PM (aqwWL)

124 When a government organization is this flagrant in its disrespect for the citizens, it's time for it to be abolished.

On the past I've defended the FISC as a necessary auspice of our republics defense. That time has now passed. Congress should abolish it.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at January 13, 2020 03:06 PM (1YX6n)

125 They own him.

He doesn't do what they say, they spill the beans. He quits, they spill the beans.



He should fake his own death.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2020 03:07 PM (CGzbQ)

126 I don't think he is geong blackmailed,remember after the Obamacare rruling he showed up overseas joking about it.Also a regular st the Trump hater cocktail parties from what I have read.

Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2020 03:07 PM (KNsKs)

127 I didn't think they could do another in your face fuck you conflict of interest appointment to an investigative position after Mueller .

They said here, hold my six pack.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 13, 2020 03:07 PM (qcIWB)

128 the dirty FISC court is not going to kill itself

Posted by: illiniwek at January 13, 2020 03:07 PM (Cus5s)

129 The FBI should also be disbanded and all field offices rolled into DHS.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at January 13, 2020 03:07 PM (uGHnY)

130 Is there a shortage of biased leftist hacks in the Federal Govt.?

I doubt it, yet the same names are always invovled. I guess they don't even trust each other.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 13, 2020 03:08 PM (1ISKN)

131 These "Ex obama officials" are going to be cropping up for the next 40 years in the same way "Ex watergate officials" do today.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 13, 2020 03:08 PM (dNzKv)

132 I don't think John Roberts is being blackmailed either. He is a RINO, and is more interested in maintaining his cocktail circuit invites than anything else.

Posted by: IC at January 13, 2020 03:08 PM (a0IVu)

133 Swamp the Drain

Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:09 PM (EBoug)

134 126 I don't think he is geong blackmailed,remember after the Obamacare rruling he showed up overseas joking about it.Also a regular st the Trump hater cocktail parties from what I have read.
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2020 03:07 PM (KNsKs)

I believe Roberts likes the system he succeeded in just fine.

And won't rock the boat in any meaningful way.

Almost every decision made by his Supremes, never get to the heart bedrock issue. They dance around it, not making any really meaningful precedent.

Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 03:09 PM (NgKpN)

135 Guess Strok was busy.

Posted by: Golfman at January 13, 2020 03:09 PM (mdHvW)

136
Just to let you know, this is how the state legislature functions in Sacramento.

Couple of years ago, there was a big fuss because some citizen's advocate discovered that cars with official state license plates were exempt from parking violations.

The legislature saw this and immediately added moving violations.

Yes, folks. Your federal government is California.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:10 PM (M9ntN)

137 Why is it that Ace's pop up ads about the 35 things flight attendants notice about me ate pictures of no flight attendant I ever saw??!!
I need to quit flying hag airlines.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2020 03:10 PM (axyOa)

138 @130

It's the same reason that James Comey's daughter, who is a low level SDNY lawyer was involved in the Epstein and Cohen cases.


Pure coincidence, pure.

Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 03:10 PM (mv+Oj)

139 These are the magic chords.
Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 02:48 PM (mv+Oj)

Definitely.

Posted by: Al Crapton at January 13, 2020 03:10 PM (rFIn5)

140 Getting a fox to guard the chicken coop

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2020 03:10 PM (ZCEU2)

141
The
FISA law should be repealed and the court abolished. And everyone in
the FBI above the level of janitor should be fired.

Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2020 03:10 PM (mpXpK)

142 No, we won't be abolishing the court and pretending none of this ever happened, Nunes.

That's like Obama's solution to his Connecticut Social Security number problem; change the law, stop state-coding SSNs, and suddenly, "WHAT Connecticut social security number?"

Posted by: Chris W at January 13, 2020 03:11 PM (Y9uNK)

143 Burn it down, spread the ashes and salt the earth. That is what should be done to the FISA court

Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 13, 2020 03:11 PM (Oq/TM)

144 Couple of years ago, there was a big fuss because some citizen's advocate discovered that cars with official state license plates were exempt from parking violations.

The legislature saw this and immediately added moving violations.

Yes, folks. Your federal government is California.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:10 PM (M9ntN)


A month of flattened tires would probably get the point across.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2020 03:11 PM (axyOa)

145
Has any government institution with this level of power ever been disbanded?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:11 PM (M9ntN)

146 Please explain to me how anyone on the FISC, and that idiot who oversees them, could be said to be in 'good behavior'.

THROW THEM ALL OUT.

Legally, or at bayonet point. At this point I'm starting to care less.

Posted by: JEM at January 13, 2020 03:12 PM (8erNz)

147 They can't even get rid of the CPFB with mulvaney in charge.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 13, 2020 03:12 PM (dNzKv)

148 140 Getting a fox to guard the chicken coop
Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2020 03:10 PM (ZCEU2)

Naw. Just fix the coop.

Posted by: Golfman at January 13, 2020 03:12 PM (mdHvW)

149 Well hell, Wray already said no prosecutions and that they just need to improve the process, so its not like anything preventing their spying was ever going to be implemented anyway.

At this point, if it is not eliminated, just assume the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is there to spy on Domestic American People.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 13, 2020 03:13 PM (r+sAi)

150 OK, so new FISA Judge is in charge.

Who picked THEM?

Roberts?, you would think this position would take Senate Confirmation.
Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 02:59 PM (NgKpN)



But NATIONAL SECURITY and YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN and BE REALISTIC!

Here's the thing, I was open to adult discussions about what to do with modern communications methods and the need to balance secrecy and civil rights.

I was because it's been over a decade of being sneered at about now who's being naive, Kay and it turns out my wildest fears were a pleasant dream.

No. Those supporting it and saying HOW DARE YOU had their turn and then surprise ottered us all. Sit. Down.

Same thing with bail reform. I supported that and then New York state did this insanity and I am not going to sit here and say but but but that's not what I meant! I mean, it's not, but what New York state did was even worse than what the worst critics said would be done and thus the critics have been proven right. Which means it's time for me to rethink my position, not crybaby it just hasn't been done right!

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:13 PM (mf5HN)

151
No, we won't be abolishing the court and pretending none of this ever happened, Nunes.



That's like Obama's solution to his Connecticut Social Security
number problem; change the law, stop state-coding SSNs, and suddenly,
"WHAT Connecticut social security number?"


Yeah, this. Unfortunately.

Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at January 13, 2020 03:13 PM (gauLa)

152 144 Couple of years ago, there was a big fuss because some citizen's advocate discovered that cars with official state license plates were exempt from parking violations.

The legislature saw this and immediately added moving violations.

Yes, folks. Your federal government is California.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:10 PM (M9ntN)


A month of flattened tires would probably get the point across.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2020 03:11 PM (axyOa)

It was like when Congress ban'd insider trading for Congress and Staff, very publicly to great fanfair.

And then 6 months later quietly gave themselves cover for insider trading again.

Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 03:13 PM (NgKpN)

153 Gosh why do people here keep voicing skepticism that justice against these coup plotters and fifth columnists are actually going to see any punishment.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 13, 2020 03:14 PM (aPG/y)

154 Lot's wife treatment would be a start for these people.

Posted by: rammajamma at January 13, 2020 03:14 PM (xceTB)

155 Isn't 'The Fix is In' somewhere in the Bill of Rights to protect the American citizens from its own derelict government? Oops, I mean protect the derelict government from its own American citizens...

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 13, 2020 03:14 PM (JoUsr)

156
They can't even get rid of the CPFB with mulvaney in charge.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

======

omg. Does a law have to be repealed?

To Our Betters, I suppose that's like asking Leonardo da Vinci to erase the Mona Lisa.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:14 PM (M9ntN)

157 Much will be resolved in the Burning Time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2020 03:14 PM (7a6fv)

158 Follow up to my Astro tweets in previous thread...

@SportsCenter

Breaking: Astros owner Jim Crane announces that Jeff Luhnow and AJ Hinch have been fired.

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2020 03:15 PM (cF8AT)

159
And then 6 months later quietly gave themselves cover for insider trading again.
Posted by: Don Q

======

omg I remember the ban; didn't know it was debanned.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:15 PM (M9ntN)

160 You want a real constitutional crises, we have one brewing in WI.


WI election board refused to purge voter rolls. They were taken to court. Judge ordered voter roles purged in compliance with WI law. Election board said "f*ck you". Judge issued a contempt order, fining each of the three Dem's $250/day until they comply.

What do you do when the state election board openly defies a court order?

We have one stop left, WI supreme court, which should rule in favor of purge. If they still defy, we have a big problem.

Posted by: WisRich at January 13, 2020 03:15 PM (G0vdT)

161 @SportsCenter

Breaking: Astros owner Jim Crane announces that Jeff Luhnow and AJ Hinch have been fired.

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2020 03:15 PM (cF8AT)

Oh my.

Posted by: IC at January 13, 2020 03:16 PM (a0IVu)

162 Isn't 'The Fix is In' somewhere in the Bill of Rights to protect the American citizens from its own derelict government?...
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 13, 2020 03:14 PM (JoUsr)


The 2nd Amendment

Posted by: DR.WTF at January 13, 2020 03:16 PM (aS1PU)

163 Breaking: Astros owner Jim Crane announces that Jeff Luhnow and AJ Hinch have been fired.
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2020 03:15 PM (cF8AT)



So he fired the people who can't work for him for a year.

Okie dokie.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:16 PM (mf5HN)

164 Has any government institution with this level of power ever been disbanded?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:11


Last time was at Yorktown in 1781 followed by the Treaty of Paris 1783. Had to revisit it in 1812-14 but finally settled it.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2020 03:16 PM (axyOa)

165 This isn't really about Roberts.

The new FISC head (presiding) judge was presumably selected according to seniority (by time served at the FISC at least). The only other FISC judge with more time than the new head has a term that expires this May.

Kris was selected by the new FISC head from a list of eight pre-approved Amici Curiae.

On paper, Kris likely is the most qualified for this particular task since he actually worked at the DOJ with the FBI on getting FISA warrants approved.

Unfortunately, he's apparently a twittering fool and MSNBC-level idiot ... but he did most of that objectionable stuff AFTER getting on the pre-approved list. Maybe the presiding judge isn't on twitter and doesn't watch MSNBC?

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 13, 2020 03:16 PM (hdzef)

166 What is it that I'm not understanding?

Trump runs the FBI. Trump runs the DOJ. Trump runs the entire Executive Branch.

So where is the famous "You're Fired!" when we need it.

Dump these fucking Washington insiders, hire an ex-farmer from Nebraska to run the FBI and clean this shit up.

Trump has to quit thinking these deep state holdovers have some magical ability no one else has. Fire the fucking advisors who keep recommending these assholes.

This is making my ass tired.

Posted by: jwest at January 13, 2020 03:17 PM (U6f/q)

167 160
You want a real constitutional crises, we have one brewing in WI.





WI election board refused to purge voter rolls. They were taken to
court. Judge ordered voter roles purged in compliance with WI law.
Election board said "f*ck you". Judge issued a contempt order, fining
each of the three Dem's $250/day until they comply.



What do you do when the state election board openly defies a court order?



We have one stop left, WI supreme court, which should rule in favor of purge. If they still defy, we have a big problem.

Posted by: WisRich at January 13, 2020 03:15 PM (G0vdT)

Guess who is going to pay the $250/day fine? It won't be the WI election board members directly.
WI voters, assume the position.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 13, 2020 03:17 PM (N39Ws)

168 154 Lot's wife treatment would be a start for these people.
Posted by: rammajamma at January 13, 2020 03:14 PM (xceTB)

Make them into real pillars of the community.

Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:17 PM (EBoug)

169 Pay no attention to the GEOTUS shin-kicking Comey behind the curtain.

https://threadreaderapp.com/
thread/1216573072226111488.html

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2020 03:18 PM (FhXTo)

170
I apologize for eyerolling at all the Roberts is being blackmailed claims. At this point, that makes him look less culpable than what he does now.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 02:51 PM (mf5HN)


I've been saying that for a while. The blackmail story gives him a sense of doing it for concern and protection of his family. He does not deserve that fig leaf of protection of his motives. He's a shit weasel and doing it because he agrees with it, not because he's been coerced against his will.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 13, 2020 03:18 PM (aPG/y)

171 omg. Does a law have to be repealed?



I am pretty sure the law establishing the CPFB states "The CPFB exists, the director is not reportable or accountable to anyone and will make up duties and regulations as he sees fit".

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 13, 2020 03:18 PM (dNzKv)

172 164 Has any government institution with this level of power ever been disbanded?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:11

Reagan said the closest thing to eternal life here on Earth was a government agency, so no.

Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:19 PM (EBoug)

173 Yeah. Roberts is being blackmailed right into the briar patch.

Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:20 PM (EBoug)

174 Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have each been suspended without pay for the 2020 season by Major League Baseball, which on Monday released the findings from its investigation into Houston's sign-stealing allegations. Houston also forfeits its first- and second-round picks in the 2020 and 2021 MLB Drafts as part of the penalties. In addition, the Astros were fined $5 million, which is the highest allowable fine under the Major League Constitution.

Posted by: SMOD at January 13, 2020 03:20 PM (3aI0K)

175 167
Guess who is going to pay the $250/day fine? It won't be the WI election board members directly.
WI voters, assume the position.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 13, 2020 03:17 PM (N39Ws)


That should be $25,000 a day, which is a bargain compared to what the EPA did to that farmer who committed the heinous crime of digging an irrigation pond for his cattle on his land.

I hate this fucking bureaucracy and these elected tyrants.

Purge the voter rolls or fire the lot of the board, arrest them and replace them with people whew comply.

NOW.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 13, 2020 03:20 PM (zBaqJ)

176
We have one stop left, WI supreme court, which should rule in favor of purge. If they still defy, we have a big problem.
Posted by: WisRich

======

Do you have state marshalls of some sort? Ultimately, all laws are enforced at gunpoint.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:20 PM (M9ntN)

177 For those who know, help me out on the firing of Wray, would the new top guy be his deputy? or can Trump appoint one to take over waiting confirmation?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 13, 2020 03:20 PM (r+sAi)

178 Guess who is going to pay the $250/day fine? It won't be the WI election board members directly.
WI voters, assume the position.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 13, 2020 03:17 PM (N39Ws)


After watching WI politics for awhile I really have to wonder why it hasn't gotten ugly by now? Will anyone pushback?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2020 03:21 PM (axyOa)

179 Hey did someone blackmail Roberts into "volunteering" that there's no such thing as a "Bush Judge" or an "Obama Judge"? No? And we know he's not stupid - so the only remaining choice is perfidy.

Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:21 PM (EBoug)

180 I am pretty sure the law establishing the CPFB states "The CPFB exists, the director is not reportable or accountable to anyone and will make up duties and regulations as he sees fit".



Then the ballsy move would be for the CPFB to fund some construction on the border wall.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2020 03:22 PM (7a6fv)

181 ++++Yup. Pull these stunts right in front of our eyes, as if we're all turnip truck riding bumpkins.


Posted by: washrivergal at January 13, 2020 02:52 PM (+tWDL)

Your words offends me!
How DARE you?

Posted by: Bumpkin Riding On A Turnip Truck at January 13, 2020 03:22 PM (ufFY8)

182 177 For those who know, help me out on the firing of Wray, would the new top guy be his deputy? or can Trump appoint one to take over waiting confirmation?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 13, 2020 03:20 PM (r+sAi)

=====

It would be his deputy, who I suspect is an ally of his.

Posted by: Jackal at January 13, 2020 03:22 PM (Lyh9/)

183 One of the most controversial gun control bills proposed in the Virginia
General Assembly has been killed, while others passed out of committee
on Monday morning. Senate Bill 16, proposed by Sen. Richard Saslaw,
would have expanded the definition of "assault firearms" under Virginia
law, outlawed their possession, and outlawed the the selling or transfer
of any firearm magazine with a capacity for more than 10 rounds of
ammunition.

Posted by: SMOD at January 13, 2020 03:22 PM (3aI0K)

184 What we really need is an accounting of what the FISA court and those illegal 702 queries were about. Who were the targets, if not imminent national security threats that the court was set up to handle.

I had assumed this was being looked into by Durham - is that the case?I would like this to be bigger, given how obvious Roberts and the FISA court are about making sure the whole thing is suppressed/covered up.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 03:22 PM (bDqIh)

185 Time for the FISA courts to be relegated, with prejudice, to the dustbin of history.

They tried to pull this crap with Donald J Trump - a man who they knew was a brawler with plenty of resources to fight back. How many regular schmucks have had their lives turned upside down by the Obama-weaponized DOJ and FISC kabals?

Nuke it from fucking space and keep doing it until it can never, ever come back.

Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:22 PM (77WPm)

186 >>For those who know, help me out on the firing of Wray, would the new top guy be his deputy? or can Trump appoint one to take over waiting confirmation?

Trump care Fire Wray anytime he wants and appoint who he wants but of course they have to get through Senate confirmation.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2020 03:22 PM (ZLI7S)

187
I am pretty sure the law establishing the CPFB states "The CPFB exists, the director is not reportable or accountable to anyone and will make up duties and regulations as he sees fit".
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

======

So the law needs to be repealed.

I'm aware that Mulvaney simply requested $0 for it, but it's lying in wait like some sewer monster for the right person.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:23 PM (M9ntN)

188 176
We have one stop left, WI supreme court, which should rule in favor of purge. If they still defy, we have a big problem.
Posted by: WisRich

======

Do you have state marshalls of some sort? Ultimately, all laws are enforced at gunpoint.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:20 PM (M9ntN)
----------

Well you would go to the chief law enforcement guy: The attorney general. But guess what, the new AG who got swept in with Evers is super lefty.

Posted by: WisRich at January 13, 2020 03:23 PM (G0vdT)

189 You want a real constitutional crises, we have one brewing in WI.





WI election board refused to purge voter rolls. They were taken to
court. Judge ordered voter roles purged in compliance with WI law.
Election board said "f*ck you". Judge issued a contempt order, fining
each of the three Dem's $250/day until they comply.



What do you do when the state election board openly defies a court order?



We have one stop left, WI supreme court, which should rule in favor of purge. If they still defy, we have a big problem.

Posted by: WisRich at January 13, 2020 03:15 PM (G0vdT)



I haven't checked in a year or more, but last I knew, the WI Supremes noted that there were at least three separate John Doe investigations re: campaign violations and that every single time a court was told all information was disclosed, there was more information and yet another previously undisclosed investigation.

I quit following it because it was making me go something something.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:23 PM (mf5HN)

190 Of course, firing the head of the FBI gets you a 3 year special council investigation.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 13, 2020 03:24 PM (1ISKN)

191 @177

He can fire him and name an interim head until he appoints a replacement.

Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 03:24 PM (mv+Oj)

192 Unfortunately, he's apparently a twittering fool and MSNBC-level idiot ... but he did most of that objectionable stuff AFTER getting on the pre-approved list. Maybe the presiding judge isn't on twitter and doesn't watch MSNBC?
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 13, 2020 03:16 PM (hdzef)


So you're going with incompetence over evil.

Posted by: blaster at January 13, 2020 03:24 PM (9VeU0)

193 Tigers win tonite! No malarkey!

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 13, 2020 03:25 PM (1QGis)

194 It would be his deputy, who I suspect is an ally of his.<<<<<<
Which is what I suspected. He basically has to fire his way down the line unless he could get Mitch to do a 1 day confirmation.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 13, 2020 03:25 PM (r+sAi)

195 I think Rand Paul warned us about the FISA court.

Posted by: clutch at January 13, 2020 03:25 PM (jvLSY)

196 Whatever.

Where's the text of the bill he will introduce next January where his hummingbird ass backs up his alligator mouth?

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at January 13, 2020 03:26 PM (vPKfA)

197 Never ascribe to incompetence what can be adequately explained by malice.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2020 03:26 PM (7a6fv)

198 One of the most controversial gun control bills proposed in the Virginia
General Assembly has been killed, while others passed out of committee
on Monday morning.



This is how the left "compromises."
See??? We got rid of one. Meet us half way and let the other 15 pass.
We can work together for real common sense gun legislation.

Assholes.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2020 03:26 PM (axyOa)

199 @TheLastRefuge2
Holy Hell! How did we overlook this?

Former DOJ-NSD head Mary McCord was/is working for Adam Schiff on House Intel Committee constructing the "whistle-blower" impeachment complaint...

When her former DOJ-NSD lawyer, Michael Atkinson, changed the ICIG documents.

https://tinyurl.com/wb4cqpw

Posted by: redridinghood at January 13, 2020 03:26 PM (wiXsO)

200 Garbage warrants = our norms

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 13, 2020 03:26 PM (8R61f)

201
Well you would go to the chief law enforcement guy: The attorney general. But guess what, the new AG who got swept in with Evers is super lefty.
Posted by: WisRich

======

Don't judges issue warrants? And aren't those executed by guys with guns who are authorized to break down a door, seize the servers, arrest a few people, etc?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:27 PM (M9ntN)

202 It all depends on which nominee Trump can get approved in the Senate. I think that's why he was 'forced' to choose Wray in the first place.

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at January 13, 2020 03:27 PM (PYdI2)

203 CFPB was ruled unconstitutional. Same with the FHFA. These sort of quasi-extra-governmental bodies that exist outside of the executive/legislative realm.

BTW, both of those agencies still exist and keep on chugging along even though their authorizing legislation has been declared unconstitutional.

Posted by: blaster at January 13, 2020 03:27 PM (9VeU0)

204 you would think this position would take Senate Confirmation.
Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 02:59 PM (NgKpN)


my understanding is that this "reform" is preemptive by the court in order to head off a legislative reform. So they screwed up, and everyone knows it, and before they could be fixed they promised to take a good hard look at their practices and do an internal reform.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 13, 2020 03:27 PM (LWu6U)

205 Time for the FISA courts to be relegated, with prejudice, to the dustbin of history.

They tried to pull this crap with Donald J Trump - a man who they knew was a brawler with plenty of resources to fight back. How many regular schmucks have had their lives turned upside down by the Obama-weaponized DOJ and FISC kabals?

Nuke it from fucking space and keep doing it until it can never, ever come back.
Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:22 PM (77WPm)



I am now convinced my nutty tinhat theory is true.

The plan was when Hillary was elected, all of the Russia Russia Russia stuff would be leaked at true and then he would be tried for treason. And we would all look like yarn wall nuts for saying the Noble FBI and FISA judges were in on a conspiracy.

This brings up that I am now at the loudly screaming at my teevee when the promos come on for the various and sundry deep throating the FBI shows. Look! It's the noble FBI! Capturing criminals and protecting us all!

*throws things*

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:27 PM (mf5HN)

206 Not far off this subject heard some of Chris Stigall's interview with Sharyl Attkission this morning. She said her case has been reopened due to new evidence including a confession fromone of the former spies working under the rodent Rosenstein out of a Baltimore office.
They were totally under the radar no FISA court had any case before them.

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2020 03:28 PM (ZCEU2)

207 The Donor Class and the Ruling Class are the National Security risks and terrorists. Throw them in GITMO and seize their assets. Getting tired of the fake twitter rages and zero firings and prosecutions after 3.5 years. And zero vetos.

But in 2021 infinity immigrants!

*spit*

Posted by: squirrelly dan at January 13, 2020 03:28 PM (inFcx)

208 WI election board refused to purge voter rolls. They were taken to court. Judge ordered voter roles purged in compliance with WI law. Election board said "f*ck you". Judge issued a contempt order, fining each of the three Dem's $250/day until they comply.

$250? Give me that chair, and I'll add some zeroes. And marshals with...M4s have bayonet lugs, right?

Posted by: JEM at January 13, 2020 03:28 PM (8erNz)

209 Well you would go to the chief law enforcement guy: The attorney general. But guess what, the new AG who got swept in with Evers is super lefty.
Posted by: WisRich

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Don't judges issue warrants? And aren't those executed by guys with guns who are authorized to break down a door, seize the servers, arrest a few people, etc?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:27 PM (M9ntN)
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I would hope. We'll see.

Posted by: WisRich at January 13, 2020 03:28 PM (G0vdT)

210 >>> 192

So you're going with incompetence over evil.

Posted by: blaster at January 13, 2020 03:24 PM (9VeU0)

Not really. I'm basically going with the appointment of Kris isn't part of a mutiprong blackmailing conspiracy against John Roberts ... since Roberts didn't actually have any role in the appointment of Kris.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 13, 2020 03:28 PM (hdzef)

211 What is it that I'm not understanding?

Trump runs the FBI. Trump runs the DOJ. Trump runs the entire Executive Branch.

So where is the famous "You're Fired!" when we need it.

Dump these fucking Washington insiders, hire an ex-farmer from Nebraska to run the FBI and clean this shit up.

Trump has to quit thinking these deep state holdovers have some magical ability no one else has. Fire the fucking advisors who keep recommending these assholes.

This is making my ass tired.

He's in a bind because it's set up that every time he exercised the power that is granted him by the Constitution, the Democrats scream for a Special Prosecutor.
Yeah, it's fucked up, but that's where we are....

Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 03:28 PM (CqE5x)

212 Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have each been suspended without pay for the 2020 season by Major League Baseball...

***


Meanwhile pitchers and catchers report in 30 days and the Mariners are already mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2020 03:28 PM (axyOa)

213 206 http://fullmeasure.news/news/politics/i-spy

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2020 03:29 PM (ZCEU2)

214 We have one stop left, WI supreme court, which should rule in favor of purge. If they still defy, we have a big problem.

Posted by: WisRich

Suspend that district, nobody's vote counts as it can't be trusted. Sure it's deep blue, so f'em.

Posted by: Jean at January 13, 2020 03:29 PM (8Sy1u)

215 @202

There are certain positions that those who are not of the body will not be allowed to be confirmed.


Matt Whitaker was one such person.


Barr was of the body, so I don't really expect much form him.

Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 13, 2020 03:29 PM (mv+Oj)

216 Holy Hell! How did we overlook this?
No Prosecutions! But we will do better next time.

Posted by: Christopher Wray at January 13, 2020 03:30 PM (r+sAi)

217 In order to protect the consumer, the CPFB requires $4 billion to build a wall on the southern border.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 13, 2020 03:30 PM (dNzKv)

218 214 We have one stop left, WI supreme court, which should rule in favor of purge. If they still defy, we have a big problem.

Posted by: WisRich

Suspend that district, nobody's vote counts as it can't be trusted. Sure it's deep blue, so f'em.
Posted by: Jean at January 13, 2020 03:29 PM (8Sy1u)
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My understanding is that it's statewide, over 200,000 non-complying voters on rolls.

Posted by: WisRich at January 13, 2020 03:31 PM (G0vdT)

219 I am now convinced my nutty tinhat theory is true.

You mean the part where the administrative state locks up every Trump voter for daring to resist their sweet ministrations?

Take three tablets and go back to bed, they're not ready to pick you up for your educational session for a couple hours.

Posted by: JEM at January 13, 2020 03:31 PM (8erNz)

220
I would hope. We'll see.
Posted by: WisRich

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God almighty, you'd *think*. After all, judges love their power, too (cf. Hawaii).

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:31 PM (M9ntN)

221 133
Swamp the Drain


Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:09 PM (EBoug)

________


In Deep State America, Swamp drain YOU!

Posted by: ShainS -- Make the 20's Roar Again! at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (OBaar)

222 Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have each been suspended without pay for the 2020 season by Major League Baseball...


NOW they have both been fired by the Astros

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (cEsBM)

223 Not really. I'm basically going with the appointment of Kris isn't part of a mutiprong blackmailing conspiracy against John Roberts ... since Roberts didn't actually have any role in the appointment of Kris.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 13, 2020 03:28 PM (hdzef)



The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is in charge of the FISA Court.

The buck stops with him. It is his responsibility.

From what has been made publicly available, the issues with the FBI lying to the FISA judges have been known since at least 2015. And Roberts has done shit about it.

This is all on his head. All of it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (mf5HN)

224 I read the story on VA SB16 being dismissed out of committee. I don't understand it, though. All Republicans voted to abstain, and all Dems voted to cancel it.

Wait, whut?

Posted by: blaster at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (9VeU0)

225
it's statewide, over 200,000 non-complying voters on rolls.
Posted by: WisRich

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Then the FEC needs to void all federal election results from WI.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (M9ntN)

226 Ever get the sense that our Ruling Class is just tired and wants us to put them out of office?
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Nope, they are just used to getting more cover from the WH, Congress, and media. I have a feeling this is par for the course.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (w+Ped)

227 So the Astros manager wasn't involved and twice damaged the equipment the players were using to stop it and he gets canned and the players have no issues? MLB = FISA

Posted by: rammajamma at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (xceTB)

228 Em-Peach Justice Roberts !!

Posted by: runner, Beware Identity Theft ! at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (zr5Kq)

229 So are we all, Miz Alex, so are we all.

And that theory has always sounded plausible to me.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (zlgJP)

230 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:27 PM (mf5HN)

If you start from the premise, as I do, that They Never Ever Expected She Would Lose, then your theory actually becomes the most logical.

The "Fundamental Transformation" of the country the jug-eared fuck from Chi-Town promised was to turn the USA into a vassal of the globalist left, to be looted and pillaged, graft filtering back into "favored" pockets of course.

Trump (in particular) and (broadly defined) "Nationalism" (in general) was an existential threat to that plan and needed to be smothered in the crib. So, Felonious put on her "sober and serious" face and declares that Trump needs to be tried for Treason and the (already weaponized) DOJ produces tons of "evidence" to support said prosecution. Trump becomes radioactive and "Nationalism" is still-born.

We can thank whatever god anyone believes in that Felonious was as incompetent a campaigner as she was a Senator and SecState.

Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (77WPm)

231 Then the FEC needs to void all federal election results from WI.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (M9ntN)

That's not how any of this works. And thank God for that.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (w+Ped)

232
I'm watching these sports shake-ups scroll by. Why can't we have this in government??

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (M9ntN)

233 213 206 http://fullmeasure.news/news/politics/i-spy

You might want to ensure your pets and kids are well prepared for when you're, uh, managed.

Posted by: JEM at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (8erNz)

234 I didn't think they could do another in your face fuck you conflict of interest appointment to an investigative position after Mueller .

They said here, hold my six pack.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 13, 2020 03:07 PM (qcIWB)

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Come now... Rosenstein is a secret white hat, and he appointed Comey's best pal Mueller after he got fired to help out Trump.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (fUqBx)

235 >> They tried to pull this crap with Donald J Trump - a man who they
knew was a brawler with plenty of resources to fight back. How many
regular schmucks have had their lives turned upside down by the
Obama-weaponized DOJ and FISC kabals?

- - - -

What's worse is the FISA court *violations* that this chucklehead was just tasked with investigating.

The FBI and two contractors were doing FISA warrant type queries (702's) on the NSA db without even getting FISA warrants first.

THAT's what's so outrageous about this cover-up: it's that the FISA court is helping the FBI cover up how the *went around the FISA* court, and were doing millions of queries on lord-know-who with absolutely no oversight, not even a rubber-stamps super-secret FISA warrant.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (bDqIh)

236 Morgan Decolletage Brennan is simply smoldering today in her black top.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (ufFY8)

237 I think Rand Paul warned us about the FISA court.

The only thing worse than making Rand Paul right would be making his Dad right.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2020 03:34 PM (FhXTo)

238
That's not how any of this works. And thank God for that.
Posted by: The Federal Reserve

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Howzit work?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:34 PM (M9ntN)

239
My understanding is that it's statewide, over 200,000 non-complying voters on rolls.
Posted by: WisRich

Sounds like tar and feather time. I would extend the fine down to the IT guy at the election board. I'm sure he will love to pay a fine.

Posted by: Jean at January 13, 2020 03:34 PM (8Sy1u)

240 I apologize for eyerolling at all the Roberts is being blackmailed claims. At this point, that makes him look less culpable than what he does now.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 02:51 PM (mf5HN)


I've been saying that for a while. The blackmail story gives him a sense of doing it for concern and protection of his family. He does not deserve that fig leaf of protection of his motives. He's a shit weasel and doing it because he agrees with it, not because he's been coerced against his will.
Posted by: Buzzion at January 13, 2020 03:18 PM (aPG/y)


If the judiciary wasn't being deliberately undermined under Roberts, what would he do differently?

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 13, 2020 03:34 PM (y7DUB)

241 236
Morgan Decolletage Brennan is simply smoldering today in her black top.



Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (ufFY

The only two reasons to watch CNBC.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at January 13, 2020 03:34 PM (ufFY8)

242 I'm guessing Nunes can't shut down FISA because Dems control House. Even if GOP gains control next go around, and maintains Senate control and Presidency, would GOP controlled House and Senate abolish FISA Court?

With the pervasive "do nothing" approach of the GOP since forever ago, one doubts it.

It's the classic rule. Once legislation passes and institutions get created in D.C., it's almost impossible to abolish to them, on a practical level, whoever is in charge. Yea, sure, the GOP has had complete control, but what do they DO with it? (See Trump, first 2 years = nothing.)

Now that we know that the FBI, DOJ, CIA and related FISA court are all Democrat institutions, you can assume that nothing will change at any of them because the GOP in House and Senate are weak and feckless.

All of this said, WTF with Trump? Again and again we see personnel problems dogging Trump. Obama holdovers get promotions or transfers to positions of internal influence and policy. Why the HELL hasn't Trump handed out pink slips or personally intervened to transfer all Obama holdovers across all agencies to take charge of.... idk.... the Federal Bureau of Dart Frog Mating Rituals? This was somewhat excusable at the beginning, but now? Look at the havoc.... Atkinson, Wray, Kris, etc., etc.

Posted by: RichardWindsoe at January 13, 2020 03:34 PM (DRgs8)

243 [j]Has any government institution with this level of power ever been disbanded?

The NKVD no longer exists.

Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2020 03:35 PM (3KaQs)

244 The middle finger by appointing Kris is all you need to know about whether it will get fixed or not.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 13, 2020 03:35 PM (r+sAi)

245 Even 4 more years of our greatest President ever the Deep State which includes many DOJ and FBI employees are going to fight tooth and nail.

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2020 03:35 PM (ZCEU2)

246 237 I think Rand Paul warned us about the FISA court.

The only thing worse than making Rand Paul right would be making his Dad right.


Rand is right about half the time. Arguably a bit more.

His dad somewhat less.

Posted by: JEM at January 13, 2020 03:35 PM (8erNz)

247 Morgan Decolletage Brennan is simply smoldering today in her black top.



Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop


She is doing it for you, knew you'd be watching.

Posted by: runner, Beware Identity Theft ! at January 13, 2020 03:35 PM (zr5Kq)

248 I think Rand Paul warned us about the FISA court.

The only thing worse than making Rand Paul right would be making his Dad right.
Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2020 03:34 PM (FhXTo)


Stopped clock...

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 13, 2020 03:35 PM (y7DUB)

249 it's statewide, over 200,000 non-complying voters on rolls.
Posted by: WisRich

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Then the FEC needs to void all federal election results from WI.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (M9ntN)
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The kicker is WI has some the easiest voter registration laws in the nation. You can show up election day, register, and vote and yet the Dem's are fighting tooth and nail to prevent this purge.

Posted by: WisRich at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (G0vdT)

250 You know, I thought I followed baseball pretty damn closely but this whole "sign-steeling" thing caught me completely off-guard.

Can someone help a moron out and give me a 2-3 sentence summary? If this is basically just the MLB version of DeflateGate that's a perfectly OK summary as well. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (77WPm)

251 A stopped clock once warned me that it was 4:30.

Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (EBoug)

252 I read the story on VA SB16 being dismissed out of
committee. I don't understand it, though. All Republicans voted to
abstain, and all Dems voted to cancel it.



Wait, whut?





Posted by: blaster at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM

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If they passed that monstrosity, the would be out of jobs after the next election.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (JUOKG)

253 This actually is good news. The only way this Deep State Star Chamber ever will be abolished is if it becomes such a liability for the craven, cowardly chucks they no longer can safely suppport it. While the United States likely is done, if there is any chance it can be salvaged it has to axe things that are anathema to the republic.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (+YMDZ)

254 248 The Paul family bonfire takes all fuel

Posted by: rammajamma at January 13, 2020 03:37 PM (xceTB)

255 245 Even 4 more years of our greatest President ever the Deep State which includes many DOJ and FBI employees are going to fight tooth and nail.

I'm not suggesting this is the correct approach, but if we shot dead every Federal employee hired in the Obama years, maybe even the Bush 43 years, this country would be a better place.

Posted by: JEM at January 13, 2020 03:37 PM (8erNz)

256 Pointman to Fix the Broken System He Claimed Wasn't Broken At All
.........

Physician, heal thyself!

Posted by: wth at January 13, 2020 03:37 PM (v0R5T)

257 Look! It's the noble FBI!

It's at least TV entertainment vs. WTFgameshows.

I get yelled at for "The FBI is a fucking disgrace".

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2020 03:37 PM (FhXTo)

258 Morgan Decolletage Brennan is simply smoldering today in her black top.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop
..........

NOW we're getting somewhere.

Posted by: wth at January 13, 2020 03:38 PM (v0R5T)

259 The brazenness of the Kris appointment actually tracks with the yawns at the incredible scandal of the Mueller "investigation" (from its establishment, to its report, to its prosecutions).

And the national dumbing-down helps explain the absurdity of the whole "reform" exercise.

When principals decide to violate laws and procedural rules that they completely understand, there's no systemic "reform" that will work. This is obviously what happened, probably from 2015 onwards*, with the Mega-Scandal.

"Training" has nothing to do with it. Ethics - which can't be taught - are the entirety of it. With maybe a smidgen of corruption, indolence, and incompetence by the court.

* talking here only about Trump-related FISA abuses, obviously with the approval rate they've had for decades, there is likely extensive abuse stretching back years

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2020 03:38 PM (El6T/)

260 Voter roll maintenance failures make me really angry. This is such an easy problem to solve. Want honest rolls and only people who belong on them to be on them? Easy. Burn them every four years. After each presidential election is certified, burn the rolls. People then have 1.5 years to re-register before the next midterm, and 3.5 years to re-register before the next general.

The rolls would always be current.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:38 PM (I2dne)

261 Posted by: JEM at January 13, 2020 03:37 PM (8erNz

Unfortunately Trump has more than a few bad hires.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 13, 2020 03:38 PM (qcIWB)

262 Those ham and eggs aren't going to cook themselves.

Posted by: wth at January 13, 2020 03:39 PM (v0R5T)

263 238
That's not how any of this works. And thank God for that.
Posted by: The Federal Reserve

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Howzit work?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:34 PM (M9ntN)

Congress can choose not to seat members or accept presidential electors.

I know it sounds satisfying, but when the shoe is on the other foot, you don't want the FEC cancelling GOP elections due to woke politics.

This pretty much stops at the WI border aside from Federal Court equal protection considerations.

All things being equal - this is WI's problem, let WI deal with it. It may work in out favor in the long haul.

I don't want the FEC nixing election results. I am pretty sure you really don't want that either.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at January 13, 2020 03:39 PM (w+Ped)

264 251
A stopped clock once warned me that it was 4:30.


Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (EBoug)

But did you listen? No.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 13, 2020 03:39 PM (1CjJc)

265 >>>This is all on his head. All of it.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:32 PM (mf5HN)

Realistically Roberts is in charge of the FISC much like Queen Elizabeth II is in charge of Canada.

We can fault him for being hands off, but he's not actually involved with much of anything and no one actually expected him to be.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 13, 2020 03:39 PM (hdzef)

266 We can thank whatever god anyone believes in that Felonious was as incompetent a campaigner as she was a Senator and SecState.
Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:33 PM (77WPm)

That would be the God of Christ, who has such a wonderful and loving sense of humor that he let that evil **** collapse on 9/11.

Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:40 PM (EBoug)

267 Can someone help a moron out and give me a 2-3 sentence summary?<<<<
Basically the home team had a feed of the centerfield camera in the dugout which they would steal the catcher sign and then signal the pitch to the batter.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 13, 2020 03:40 PM (r+sAi)

268 If they passed that monstrosity, the would be out of jobs after the next election.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (JUOKG)


Oh, they are still full bore on the gun bills though.

This looks like some procedural jiggery pokery. There was some argument (which the reporting does not explain) over whether the bill could be "dismissed" or not. The Republicans abstained. Dems all voted to dismiss.

I suspect it is something like there is a difference between dismissal and defeat - by dismissing they can probably bring it back up. Defeating they can't.

Something like that. Because I don't see how all the Dems vote against it. Or why the Republicans abstain.

Posted by: blaster at January 13, 2020 03:40 PM (9VeU0)

269 Stop picking on our Betters.

FISA came into being in 1978. Makes you wonder how much bullshit was deemed righteous for all those years.

Citizen we have to crush your liberties and soul in order to save you.

https://tinyurl.com/mcujdvy is a wiki link showing how many requests were submitted every year.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 13, 2020 03:40 PM (VYwSh)

270 Unfortunately Trump has more than a few bad hires.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 13, 2020 03:38 PM (qcIWB)
+++++++++++
Yes, he has. I think he came from his world of business where if you work for a man, you do what he says and deliver results.

Unfortunately, he's in Washington now and working for a man might well mean you think your job is to subvert, delay, obstruct and oppose him.

He tends to get rid of his bad hires fairly quickly, but there have been a lot of them. My bigger complaint is that he hasn't fired everyone in his direct control. It would be better to have those jobs not get done than to have them be occupied by Obama holdovers.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:40 PM (I2dne)

271 I know there isn't a lot of love for Paul around here, but remember that he has been a strident voice against the Deep State consistently through his career. All other failings aside, this means he is one of only a handful of people in the government who *doesn't* deserve a lethal dose of revolutionary justice.

I long ago graduated from asking "do I agree with Candidate X's policies" to "would I put this sonofabitch against a wall if given the slightest opportunity?"

For me, Rand passes that test.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at January 13, 2020 03:41 PM (fUqBx)

272 260 Voter roll maintenance failures make me really angry. This is such an easy problem to solve. Want honest rolls and only people who belong on them to be on them? Easy. Burn them every four years. After each presidential election is certified, burn the rolls. People then have 1.5 years to re-register before the next midterm, and 3.5 years to re-register before the next general.

The rolls would always be current.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:38 PM (I2dne)

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Proposed law:

For every vote above the number of registered voters in a precinct, the poll workers will be individually fined $100 and spend one day in jail.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 13, 2020 03:41 PM (zZbCU)

273 Putting the crooked Justice Roberts in the spotlight. He appointed all the FISA judges and replaced the corrupt Collyer with an even more corrupt judge.

Posted by: ck at January 13, 2020 03:41 PM (GXRoa)

274 RichardWindsoe

That won't work because there are no dart frogs native to North America.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 13, 2020 03:41 PM (1ISKN)

275 Basically the home team had a feed of the centerfield camera in the dugout which they would steal the catcher sign and then signal the pitch to the batter.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 13, 2020 03:40 PM (r+sAi)

Ah - yeah, that's bad. Bad bad bad, even. Thanks Guy.

Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:41 PM (77WPm)

276 Speaking of unlawful Federal Clusterfucks. Fox has a series, Scandalous, and they cover the federal murders of Randy Weaver's wife and kid, after he refused to be an informant against the Aryan Nation, after entrapping him in firearm's charges.


Pure evil.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 13, 2020 03:41 PM (1CjJc)

277 I guess my hopes of the CIA and FISA being abolished can go ahead and be murdered in their cells.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Tehran was turning his life around at January 13, 2020 03:41 PM (XwzG5)

278 Roberts is a class B bureaucrat, close is all we can hope for with him. You can't even imagine the strength Trump requires to do what he does - #HandofGod

Posted by: rammajamma at January 13, 2020 03:42 PM (xceTB)

279 269 Stop picking on our Betters.

FISA came into being in 1978. Makes you wonder how much bullshit was deemed righteous for all those years.

Citizen we have to crush your liberties and soul in order to save you.

https://tinyurl.com/mcujdvy is a wiki link showing how many requests were submitted every year.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 13, 2020 03:40 PM (VYwSh)

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I'm sure it was pure as the driven snow until they asked to spy on Trump.

/s

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 13, 2020 03:42 PM (zZbCU)

280 Is Congress the only body that can kill FISC? If so...
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 02:44 PM (M9ntN)

Reagan said it: nothing ever gets killed. Once created, it lives forever.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at January 13, 2020 03:42 PM (H8QX8)

281 195 I think Rand Paul warned us about the FISA court.

Posted by: clutch at January 13, 2020 03:25 PM (jvLSY)

Mike Lee too.

I remember Ben Sasse at the Horowitz hearing apologizing to Mike Lee because they argued about FISA abuses. Sasse didn't believe it could happen.

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (cF8AT)

282 >>The kicker is WI has some the easiest voter registration laws in the
nation. You can show up election day, register, and vote and yet the
Dem's are fighting tooth and nail to prevent this purge.


They need over-stuffed voter rolls to make "found" ballots not flag a comparison of total registered voters vs. votes counted (think 2012 Philadephia reporting 114% votes over registered voters).

They need as many extra registered citizens across the state to provide flexibility on where those votes can be "found."

Having them on the rolls before election day saves them the trouble of having to find, hire and bus people into the state/between voting districts on election day. So much easier to create a bunch of fraudulent ballots in advance and then drop them into an election official's trunk as needed.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (bDqIh)

283 Time for a Trump tweet asking questions about John Roberts' judgment.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (H8QX8)

284 For every vote above the number of registered voters in a precinct, the poll workers will be individually fined $100 and spend one day in jail.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 13, 2020 03:41 PM (zZbCU)
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This is probably pretty rare.

How about "any invalid votes in the certified results will result in the secretary of state being imprisoned for life, without possibility of parole. Certified results are to be validated by a citizen committee drawn from each precinct in the state, comprised of non-government employees. Committee members will be drafted by the jury pool process."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (I2dne)

285 133
Swamp the Drain

Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:09 PM (EBoug)
..........

Hmm. Maybe we'll get a permit for that.

Posted by: the Oak Island guys at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (v0R5T)

286 You know, I thought I followed baseball pretty damn closely but this whole "sign-steeling" thing caught me completely off-guard.

Can someone help a moron out and give me a 2-3 sentence summary? If this is basically just the MLB version of DeflateGate that's a perfectly OK summary as well. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (77WPm)



The Astros players were watching live feed from the center field camera during games and figured out the signs.

Then the players would bang on a trash can to let the batter know what was coming. One or two hits for a breaking ball, nothing for a fast ball.

Those are not allegations, those are admissions. The Astros point blank cheated and got caught. No one is disputing that the Astros not only stole signs but were communicating with the batter during the game.

None of the players have been named (other than Beltran) or suspended because the report glosses over the fact that it was basically the entire team, many of whom don't play for the Astros now. MLB does NOT want to open that can of worms as to who did what and what should the punishment be.

So management gets slammed.

I'm gonna be honest here, it was a pretty great scheme until they got caught. The banging on the can? Hey, just how we pump up the batter.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (mf5HN)

287 Jefferson did kill the first Federal Reserve. I can't think of anything else.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (1ISKN)

288 A stopped clock once warned me that it was 4:30.


Posted by: ... at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (EBoug)

But did you listen? No.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 13, 2020 03:39 PM


I still have the clock I used in college. It's stopped at 5:03.
It's always after 5 at my place.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (axyOa)

289 Fuck Sasse, Lee and Paul - all co-travellers

Posted by: rammajamma at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (xceTB)

290 You know, I thought I followed baseball pretty damn closely but this whole "sign-steeling" thing caught me completely off-guard.

Can someone help a moron out and give me a 2-3 sentence summary? If this is basically just the MLB version of DeflateGate that's a perfectly OK summary as well. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (77WPm)

If you can steal signs the old fashion way by peeking then all is good. If and when you start using hi tech like cameras in center field iPhones and the such, then your cheating. And the next one to fall will be the Manager of the Red Sox Cora. Bye Bye

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 03:44 PM (cEsBM)

291 I remember Ben Sasse at the Horowitz hearing apologizing to Mike Lee because they argued about FISA abuses. Sasse didn't believe it could happen.
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM (cF8AT)

It's been happening since Obama was president.
Who knows, maybe since Bush.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 03:44 PM (CqE5x)

292 Speaking of unlawful Federal Clusterfucks. Fox has a series, Scandalous, and they cover the federal murders of Randy Weaver's wife and kid, after he refused to be an informant against the Aryan Nation, after entrapping him in firearm's charges.

--

Hopefully the credits song is Peter Rowan's (bluegrass) "Ruby Ridge"

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=lh5MtqB3bNY

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Tehran was turning his life around at January 13, 2020 03:44 PM (XwzG5)

293 OT, since we are over 100 - what is going on with the impeachment trial, wasn't it supposed to start today? What did I miss?

Posted by: IC at January 13, 2020 03:44 PM (a0IVu)

294 I'm gonna be honest here, it was a pretty great scheme until they got caught. The banging on the can? Hey, just how we pump up the batter.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM


500 quatloos that opening day trash cans get hammered at every park in America.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2020 03:45 PM (axyOa)

295 My Twatter's been hijacked!

Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at January 13, 2020 03:45 PM (vtcmf)

296
Congress can choose not to seat members or accept presidential electors.

I know it sounds satisfying, but when the shoe is on the other foot, you don't want the FEC cancelling GOP elections due to woke politics.

This pretty much stops at the WI border aside from Federal Court equal protection considerations.

All things being equal - this is WI's problem, let WI deal with it. It may work in out favor in the long haul.

I don't want the FEC nixing election results. I am pretty sure you really don't want that either.
Posted by: The Federal Reserve

======

Okay, but...

I do want the FEC canceling elections on the basis of electoral integrity. I mean, I'm looking at those words and FFS. ELECTORAL. INTEGRITY.

And if a GOP "Congress can choose not to seat members or accept presidential electors" then a Dem one can, too, so why not throw the FEC at them?

Just because a vengeful, lawless bunch of Dems can attempt to criminally exploit our laws and institutions doesn't mean we should refrain from using them properly.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:45 PM (M9ntN)

297 And the next one to fall will be the Manager of the Red Sox Cora. Bye Bye
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 03:44 PM (cEsBM)

Don't tease me like that. Please. Cora getting shit-canned would send me to the hospital with a 6-week erection.

Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (77WPm)

298 https://tinyurl.com/mcujdvy is a wiki link showing how many requests were submitted every year.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 13, 2020 03:40 PM (VYwSh)
+++++++++++++
Bush 43, Obama and Trump have certainly been busy. Or, more likely, their unchecked and unaccountable organizations have been. The president probably has little if any knowledge of these machinations unless they take a personal interest (like Obama and Page, probably).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (I2dne)

299 Fuck Sasse, Lee and Paul - all co-travellers
Posted by: rammajamma at January 13, 2020 03:43 PM(xceTB)

I give Rand a pass because he's consistent. And because he's a flake.
He doesn't go out of his way to fuck his own party for the fun of it.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (CqE5x)

300 I'll have you know that over the last 40 years we've refused nearly 15 requests!

- FISA

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Tehran was turning his life around at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (XwzG5)

301 Stop picking on our Betters.
........

and thank them for their service.

Posted by: wth at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (v0R5T)

302 >>I know there isn't a lot of love for Paul around here, but remember that
he has been a strident voice against the Deep State consistently
through his career. All other failings aside, this means he is one of
only a handful of people in the government who *doesn't* deserve a
lethal dose of revolutionary justice.


He's also the one who screamed the loudest about Obama's drone assassinations and killing two Americans (yeah, it was a terrorist scumbag and his teen son, but they were Americans). Most of DC seemed just fine with that line being crossed.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (bDqIh)

303 And the next one to fall will be the Manager of the Red Sox Cora. Bye Bye
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 03:44 PM (cEsBM)

Don't tease me like that. Please. Cora getting shit-canned would send me to the hospital with a 6-week erection.
Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (77WPm)



I'd have to go look it up but the section in the report on Cora is basically, yeah, we're not doing anything now because the otters are stretching for what happens next.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:47 PM (mf5HN)

304
OT, since we are over 100 - what is going on with the impeachment trial, wasn't it supposed to start today? What did I miss?
Posted by: IC

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nancy is still being coy about when she'll send the articles.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:47 PM (M9ntN)

305 >>You know, I thought I followed baseball pretty damn closely but this whole "sign-steeling" thing caught me completely off-guard.

But wait, there's more!

The Red Sox has also been accused of stealing signs. And where did the Red Sox' manager come from?

The Houston Astros.

Houston wins WS 2017. Cora is a coach.

Red Sox win WS 2018. Cora is manager.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2020 03:47 PM (ZLI7S)

306 302
He's also the one who screamed the loudest about Obama's drone assassinations and killing two Americans (yeah, it was a terrorist scumbag and his teen son, but they were Americans). Most of DC seemed just fine with that line being crossed.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (bDqIh)

=========

There was a filibuster and everything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 13, 2020 03:47 PM (zZbCU)

307 304 That Nancy is no Sharona!

Posted by: rammajamma at January 13, 2020 03:47 PM (xceTB)

308 nancy is still being coy about when she'll send the articles.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:47 PM (M9ntN)

First she said Wednesday. Now she's saying "soon".

#twoweeks

Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2020 03:48 PM (cF8AT)

309 Most of DC seemed just fine with that line being crossed.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (bDqIh)

Right up until about noon on January 20, 2017 of course.

Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:48 PM (77WPm)

310 305 A conspiracy or a how to book?

Posted by: rammajamma at January 13, 2020 03:48 PM (xceTB)

311 295
My Twatter's been hijacked!


Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at January 13, 2020 03:45 PM (vtcmf)


Wasn't Me!

Posted by: Paul Krugman at January 13, 2020 03:48 PM (ymnmz)

312
nancy is still being coy about when she'll send the articles.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:47 PM (M9ntN)

Wut? War Turtle should bitch slap her already (figuratively speaking).

Posted by: IC at January 13, 2020 03:48 PM (a0IVu)

313 nancy is still being coy about when she'll send the articles.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:47 PM (M9ntN)

Time for Cocaine Mitch to force her bony hand.

Posted by: DocJ at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (77WPm)

314 293 OT, since we are over 100 - what is going on with the impeachment trial, wasn't it supposed to start today? What did I miss?
Posted by: IC at January 13, 2020 03:44 PM (a0IVu)


No. Nancy is meeting with the Dem Caucus today and they are supposed to select the Impeachment Managers. Could be that they go to the Senate tomorrow or maybe Wednesday, but I think it will be tomorrow, and present the bill.

Senate has very prescribed activities after that. They invite the Chief Justice over to preside, they go into session 6 days a week, Senators get sworn in as jurors, a bunch of other procedural stuff happens.

If they get the bill tomorrow, then I think the invite to Roberts goes out same day and he probably shows Thursday, and Senator swearing in starts Friday.



Posted by: blaster at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (9VeU0)

315
I remember it vividly.

I was reading the news on my phone about his filibuster as I was waiting outside the Arapahoe County "Justice" Center directly after discharging the case they had been attempting to unconstitutionally railroad me with for seven g-ddamned years.

And knowing that he was right to try and deny them yet another awesome power to egregiously abuse.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice... EJEXIT: If Not Now, When? at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (fUqBx)

316 I'll have you know that over the last 40 years we've refused nearly 15 requests!

- FISA
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Tehran was turning his life around at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (XwzG5)
++++++++++
Yeah, that pegs my bullshit-o-meter, too.
I find it very hard to believe that 99.8% of requests for exceptional and secret surveillance on American citizens were justified and above board and worthy of continuing. It isn't like there were only a few of them - there have been more than 40 *thousand* of them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (I2dne)

317 There was a filibuster and everything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill


a real one too. not that fake bullshit

Posted by: x at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (nFwvY)

318 Selling my World Series ring, have a mortgage to pay.

Posted by: AJ Hinch at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (1s2j5)

319 316 I'll have you know that over the last 40 years we've refused nearly 15 requests!

- FISA
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Tehran was turning his life around at January 13, 2020 03:46 PM (XwzG5)
++++++++++
Yeah, that pegs my bullshit-o-meter, too.
I find it very hard to believe that 99.8% of requests for exceptional and secret surveillance on American citizens were justified and above board and worthy of continuing. It isn't like there were only a few of them - there have been more than 40 *thousand* of them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (I2dne)

===========

Definitely not a single one of them directed at Mitt Romney, Ted Cruz, or John Roberts.

Nosiree, Bob.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 13, 2020 03:51 PM (zZbCU)

320 Nunes is investigating the IC IG, Atkinson (who apparently already gave self-immolating testimony before the intel committees, which of course is being kept secret).

But step back for a moment and recall how laughably absurd the whole "whistleblower" thing - now an impeachment thing - is/was.

A nobody in the intel agency (with major dirt of his own on the particular topic) files a "whistleblower" complaint with a procedure changed *the week before* to allow it, which did nothing to fix the fundamental problem that it was not an intel matter, with the ridiculous "concern" that a president exercising unquestioned utterly routine foreign relations authority might have violated the campaign finance laws (spoiler: in 20 seconds, was easy to determine that was a frivolous and incorrect idea).

Unfortunately many of the abuses we're discussing may stretch back a bit - but the degradation and humiliation of the country with idiocy like the above, making the US look like Zambia or Honduras, is breaking new (sordid) ground.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2020 03:51 PM (El6T/)

321
Welp, this is going to knock the Texans debacle off the front page.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 13, 2020 03:51 PM (7rVsF)

322 If they passed that monstrosity, the would be out of jobs after the next election.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 13, 2020 03:36 PM (JUOKG)

They still have HB961 on the docket. It is arguably worse than SB16 was.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at January 13, 2020 03:51 PM (OakTv)

323 Selling my World Series ring, have a mortgage to pay.
Posted by: AJ Hinch at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (1s2j5)
++++++++++
If someone making baseball GM or manager money has a mortgage, he's doing it wrong.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (I2dne)

324 >>There was a filibuster and everything.


But then what?
I don't recall anything happening - maybe I missed it?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (bDqIh)

325 Trump care Fire Wray anytime he wants and appoint who he wants but of course they have to get through Senate confirmation.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2020 03:22 PM (ZLI7S)

__________


How about the strategy of not nominating anybody, appointing a #2 who's a firebrand and likely wouldn't be confirmed for the #1 spot, and letting him run the agency de facto?

Posted by: ShainS -- Make the 20's Roar Again! at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (OBaar)

326
Certified results are to be validated by a citizen committee drawn from each precinct in the state, comprised of non-government employees. Committee members will be drafted by the jury pool process."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

======

How about we use volunteers instead of draftees and fund it outside the government?

Maybe we could call it True the Vote. I can't imagine how the government could touch that.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (M9ntN)

327 Yeah, that pegs my bullshit-o-meter, too.
I find it very hard to believe that 99.8% of requests for exceptional and secret surveillance on American citizens were justified and above board and worthy of continuing. It isn't like there were only a few of them - there have been more than 40 *thousand* of them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (I2dne)



Oh but see it's okay because the FISA court works with the DOJ and FBI to ensure that the applicatiosn are correct before the warrants are issued so that explains it.

*punches self in face repeatedly*

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (mf5HN)

328 Realistically Roberts is in charge of the FISC much like Queen Elizabeth II is in charge of Canada.

We can fault him for being hands off, but he's not actually involved with much of anything and no one actually expected him to be.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at January 13, 2020 03:39 PM (hdzef)

Actually, he could be as involved as he wished to be. HE makes up those rules.

but as you say, like the Queen, he has given up that power.

Watched this happen a LOT in the Military with Senior NCOs. They had the power to do a lot of stuff, but would not use it because they didn't want to 'rock the boat'.

So they would let the wound fester until it did become a crises, and then would blame it on someone else.

Choosing not to act, is a choice.

Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (NgKpN)

329 324 >>There was a filibuster and everything.


But then what?
I don't recall anything happening - maybe I missed it?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (bDqIh)

===========

I think the Obama administration wrote some sort of memo conceding at least part of the point. I may have invented that in my mind.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (zZbCU)

330 Newd cracks...

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, at January 13, 2020 03:53 PM (Vy7tf)

331 320 Nunes is investigating the IC IG, Atkinson (who apparently already gave self-immolating testimony before the intel committees, which of course is being kept secret).


Nunes is in the minority.

He is investigating exactly no one.

Posted by: blaster at January 13, 2020 03:53 PM (9VeU0)

332 banging on the can (as they say) is so delightfully low-tech for a cheating scandal

Posted by: ALL-CAPS RANDO at January 13, 2020 03:53 PM (l8gTz)

333 Oh but see it's okay because the FISA court works with the DOJ and FBI to ensure that the applicatiosn are correct before the warrants are issued so that explains it.

*punches self in face repeatedly*
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (mf5HN)
+++++++++++++++
Yup. Top men. Trustworthy top men. Above reproach.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:53 PM (I2dne)

334 Truly, the fox has been put in charge of the hen house.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 13, 2020 03:54 PM (sy5kK)

335 I'd have to go look it up but the section in the report on Cora is basically, yeah, we're not doing anything now because the otters are stretching for what happens next.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:47 PM (mf5HN)

Well they have Cora as being the ring leader in Houston. They are not punishing him yet, because they are also investigating the red sox...after they finalize that investigation he will probably be suspended also and then the Sox's will fire him also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 03:54 PM (cEsBM)

336 327 Yeah, that pegs my bullshit-o-meter, too.
I find it very hard to believe that 99.8% of requests for exceptional and secret surveillance on American citizens were justified and above board and worthy of continuing. It isn't like there were only a few of them - there have been more than 40 *thousand* of them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 13, 2020 03:50 PM (I2dne)


Oh but see it's okay because the FISA court works with the DOJ and FBI to ensure that the applicatiosn are correct before the warrants are issued so that explains it.

*punches self in face repeatedly*
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 03:52 PM (mf5HN)

Feds have a bit over 98% successful prosecution rate.

98% of Federal Prosecutions are plea bargains.

Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 03:54 PM (NgKpN)

337 Feds have a bit over 98% successful prosecution rate.

98% of Federal Prosecutions are plea bargains.

Posted by: Don Q at January 13, 2020 03:54 PM (NgKpN)

partially because the feds can and will spend 10 million dollars to prosecute for a 3 cent crime

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 13, 2020 03:55 PM (cEsBM)

338 Someone is repeating stuff that is not true again.

Congress does not have the power to refuse to seat members duly elected, see Powell v. McCormick (1971). They can expel them by 2/3 majority or adjudicated a disputed election and seat what they call the winner, but cannot refuse to seat them.

Second, Congress cannot refuse to seat electors by their own laws. After the 1876 election, Congress passed a law that gives safe harbor to those states that submit elector lists to Congress by the end of the state electoral college window which is Dec. 23rd, 2020. Under the Constitution, states have the ultimate power to chose electors through their voting system and subsequent state law by Dec. 8th, 2020 and resolve all challenges. At that point, the state's electoral college votes are presumed valid.

However, Congress may discard a state's electoral vote or not if the state does not submit its elector list by the safe harbor time.

Posted by: whig at January 13, 2020 03:56 PM (EUDB2)

339 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around.


Wow, you're extra smart and pretty today.

Is there chair spinning?

Posted by: a Bandersnatch son gout at January 13, 2020 03:56 PM (gd9RK)

340 Nood Persian Chicks.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 13, 2020 03:57 PM (1CjJc)

341 Unfortunately many of the abuses we're discussing
may stretch back a bit - but the degradation and humiliation of the
country with idiocy like the above, making the US look like Zambia or
Honduras, is breaking new (sordid) ground.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2020 03:51 PM (El6T/)
_________


Yep. I often imagine our enemies laughing their asses off, sitting back, and waiting for the time when they'll be invited to simply invade the country sands resistance by the next Democratic president.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make the 20's Roar Again! at January 13, 2020 03:57 PM (OBaar)

342 The NKVD no longer exists.
Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2020 03:35 PM


*snort*

Posted by: The FSB at January 13, 2020 03:58 PM (ejd/p)

343 *sans resistance* damn auto-cucumber!

Posted by: ShainS -- Make the 20's Roar Again! at January 13, 2020 03:59 PM (OBaar)

344 When I heard over the weekend on how our IC was investigating "Putin's schemes against *Biden*", I knew that nothing had really been fixed inside the IC.

What? Putin's afraid Biden's going to call him "honey"?

Posted by: Axeman at January 13, 2020 04:01 PM (DuZls)

345 Wow, you're extra smart and pretty today.

Is there chair spinning?
Posted by: a Bandersnatch son gout at January 13, 2020 03:56 PM (gd9RK)



No, just my head. Am still sick. koff

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 13, 2020 04:02 PM (mf5HN)

346 Okay, but...

I do want the FEC canceling elections on the basis of electoral integrity. I mean, I'm looking at those words and FFS. ELECTORAL. INTEGRITY.

And if a GOP "Congress can choose not to seat members or accept presidential electors" then a Dem one can, too, so why not throw the FEC at them?

Just because a vengeful, lawless bunch of Dems can attempt to criminally exploit our laws and institutions doesn't mean we should refrain from using them properly.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 13, 2020 03:45 PM (M9ntN)

If you don't live in WI, then they aren't your laws. Don't shred the last few vestiges of state sovereignty for a problem that is WI's to address itself. If WI's voters can elect Trump, they can deal with this. It's a state election, not a federal one. So keep the feds out.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at January 13, 2020 04:02 PM (w+Ped)

347 The way I see 'er, we sure as hell are lucky to have all y'all rock-ribbed social conservatives in charge of this narrative, and not a crowd of wild-eyed libertarians.
Now, your Libertarians, for instance, might not even care what all is in those foreign-intel files that we're about to declassify. Hell, it's nothing but a lot of madams' call-lists and some embarrassing snapshots, right? No way in hell the actual details of military operations, or serious human intelligence strategy and tactics, or cyberwarfare would be involved in any of that, right?


Sure am glad the real serious conservatives are in charge here.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 13, 2020 04:14 PM (oRpiG)

348 Lists have to be purged to maintain accurate voting records as that is a requirement of the National Voters Registration Act of 1994, aka Motor-Voter. Thus, the federal government already possesses this power and the purges related to state and federal court actions regarding federal mandates for states rather than a state law. The one thing that the Republicans did get out of the whole mess was a federal requirement that states and localities keep their voter lists accurate and that they can be sued if they do not remove deceased, moved, or ineligible (felons, non-citizens, etc.) from their rolls. From the DOJ, https://preview.tinyurl.com/zv5z46l

The federalism truck has already sailed to mix a metaphor.

The NVA specifies how voting lists can be purged and the recent Ohio Scotus case sealed the deal so that Republicans can force a lot of jurisdictions to unwillingly purge their rolls of ineligible voters.

This especially affects padding ballots (why the Dems now want paper ballots) by election officials casting multiple ballots in non-voting people's names (Detroit and Philly in 2016 had examples of this. It also sticks a barrier in voter harvesting schemes where a lot of voters are registered in one location that is not residential etc. which creates a pool of fraudulent absentee ballots. A third thing that cleansing the registration lists is to overcome illegals and others registered automatically by states as voters. Last, but not least, multistate voters that vote in multiple states are also purged in such lists as are voters casting ballots out of their district as a floating pool to vote in tight races.

The traditional fear is hacking or some other sort of fraud whereas paper and absentee ballots in general are just as susceptible and easier for hard to detect widespread ballot stuffing than are computers. Most voter fraud is not by voter impersonation in person at the polls but a) casting multiple ballots via absentee/ballot harvesting schemes, b) ineligible voters on rolls voting-illegals, out of district, multiple state voting, c)warehoused voters in jails, nursing homes, etc. and d) voters paid by campaigns giving walk around money to GOTV which then is distributed among the people voting. Commonly done when a bunch of people are bussed into a polling place.

Posted by: whig at January 13, 2020 04:33 PM (EUDB2)

349 From NBC
>> President Donald Trump authorized the killing of Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani seven months ago if Iran's increased aggression resulted in the death of an American, according to five current and former senior administration officials.

Holy shit, that has to resonate with the Chinese and Norks. Imagine there being a "red line" and not only is it real, but it is secret. Every decision they make to terrorize or harm America has that hanging over their heads.

THIS is the art of the deal.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 13, 2020 04:48 PM (LWu6U)

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