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Failing to adjust to reality [KT]
Heed the small, still voice That says: Don't push it today, You'll blow out your back.
UFO meetup. . . Rather interesting group. (That's a euphemism.)From the comments:
What can bind us now? Only this one truth: Epstein Didn't kill himself.Music To me, winter is the best season for chamber music. Bach dedicated most of his works to the Glory of God, but that didn't mean he couldn't have a sense of humor. The Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 includes the shortest movement in a concerto from that era, the second, Adagio, movement. This was written a few days ago:
Tomorrow is the Winter Solstice, the day when there's the shortest amount of daylight of the year - and a perfect time to reconsider the all but microscopic middle movement of Bach's Brandenburg Concerto No. 3. On the printed score, it's only one measure long, containing two chords that aren't even in the same key as the movements on either side of it. And yet, it gives performers the freedom to improvise and embellish to their heart's content.Here is a performance in which an entirely different piece of music is played as the second movement, from 5:38 to 8:10. I don't know what the added music is. Where have you heard the first and third movements?
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Saturday First?
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:24 AM (Q3xyR)
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3rd?
Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at December 28, 2019 11:25 AM (IcFBe)
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Nooded. And now for the content.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:25 AM (Q3xyR)
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lefty completely misinterpretes 1984:
"it's looking increasingly like we live in Oceania. That fictional state was basically the British Isles, North America, and South America. Now the leaders of the largest countries in each of those regions - Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Jair Bolsonaro - are men who have learned to flood the zone with obvious lies, because their opponents simply don't have the time or energy to deal them all"
https://tinyurl.com/wnmdeex
"it's looking increasingly like we live in Oceania. That fictional state was basically the British Isles, North America, and South America. Now the leaders of the largest countries in each of those regions - Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Jair Bolsonaro - are men who have learned to flood the zone with obvious lies, because their opponents simply don't have the time or energy to deal them all"
https://tinyurl.com/wnmdeex
Posted by: Destructive wild pigs, coming to a bridge at December 28, 2019 11:26 AM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:27 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:28 AM (NWiLs)
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4 lefty completely misinterpretes 1984:
"it's looking increasingly like we live in Oceania. That
https://tinyurl.com/wnmdeex
Posted by: Destructive wild pigs, coming to a bridge at December 28, 2019 11:26 AM (Tnijr)
The problem they have is that they have been distorting reality for so long that they no longer recognize it. Instead, their desires have replaced it in their minds, and any contradiction must, therefore, be both false and evil.
This leads to the conflict wherein they insist that we be destroyed.
"it's looking increasingly like we live in Oceania. That
https://tinyurl.com/wnmdeex
Posted by: Destructive wild pigs, coming to a bridge at December 28, 2019 11:26 AM (Tnijr)
The problem they have is that they have been distorting reality for so long that they no longer recognize it. Instead, their desires have replaced it in their minds, and any contradiction must, therefore, be both false and evil.
This leads to the conflict wherein they insist that we be destroyed.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:29 AM (Q3xyR)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:30 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:31 AM (NWiLs)
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So, happy Saturday all! I hope you are all enjoying the intra-holiday week!
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:31 AM (Q3xyR)
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:32 AM (Q3xyR)
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11 Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:31 AM (NWiLs)
Hi Insomniac!
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:32 AM (Q3xyR)
Hi there! *rolls charisma* *fails*
Shit.
Hi Insomniac!
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:32 AM (Q3xyR)
Hi there! *rolls charisma* *fails*
Shit.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:32 AM (NWiLs)
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Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:31 AM (NWiLs)
I respect your nihilism, but counter the bliss of death with the joy of bewbs. As long as I live, they are out there!
I respect your nihilism, but counter the bliss of death with the joy of bewbs. As long as I live, they are out there!
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:33 AM (Q3xyR)
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"Straight Ahead"?! THAT'S CISNORMATIVE!!!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 28, 2019 11:34 AM (+y/Ru)
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Hi there! *rolls charisma* *fails*
Shit.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:32 AM (NWiLs)
Eh - I save charisma rolls for intimidation. Of course, getting a gaming group together was much easier at younger iterations of 29.
Shit.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:32 AM (NWiLs)
Eh - I save charisma rolls for intimidation. Of course, getting a gaming group together was much easier at younger iterations of 29.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:34 AM (Q3xyR)
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lefty completely misinterpretes 1984
People with no grasp of history don't know much about the world.
People with no grasp of history don't know much about the world.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 28, 2019 11:40 AM (LxTcq)
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Slaps Insomniac. Stop channeling B. Chasm.
I get to cook the turkey today because I forgot to procure crucial ingredients before Dec 25. It works out well because Christmas was nice weather and I enjoyed some outside time and today is cold and snowy, so spending most of it in the kitchen is a fine idea.
Family wide we have a tradition of not being slaves to the calendar, its just dad and I. I love having lots of leftover turkey to make a huge pot pie and so on.
I get to cook the turkey today because I forgot to procure crucial ingredients before Dec 25. It works out well because Christmas was nice weather and I enjoyed some outside time and today is cold and snowy, so spending most of it in the kitchen is a fine idea.
Family wide we have a tradition of not being slaves to the calendar, its just dad and I. I love having lots of leftover turkey to make a huge pot pie and so on.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 28, 2019 11:41 AM (n4y+3)
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Insomniac is pretty good at existential despair.
Posted by: KT at December 28, 2019 11:41 AM (BVQ+1)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:42 AM (NWiLs)
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Well, I can see this thread is going to be uplifting and entertaining.
When I lay my head on the railroad tracks
Well, I can see this thread is going to be uplifting and entertaining.
When I lay my head on the railroad tracks
Posted by: teej at December 28, 2019 11:42 AM (4aVpH)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2019 11:43 AM (WI7YS)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:43 AM (NWiLs)
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Hi Teej, How goes the music? Is December super busy for your group?
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 28, 2019 11:43 AM (n4y+3)
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This leads to the conflict wherein they insist that we be destroyed.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:29 AM (Q3xyR)
Projection and reflection are so intense that they dominate everything. The left, as always, projects all of its evils onto us, their opponents. They insist that we must be destroyed, *Because* of that insistence, they leave us no choice but to destroy them.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:29 AM (Q3xyR)
Projection and reflection are so intense that they dominate everything. The left, as always, projects all of its evils onto us, their opponents. They insist that we must be destroyed, *Because* of that insistence, they leave us no choice but to destroy them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 11:43 AM (V2Yro)
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Good post topic.
This isn't a new problem, the book of Romans explores it thoroughly.
This isn't a new problem, the book of Romans explores it thoroughly.
Posted by: navybrat at large at December 28, 2019 11:43 AM (w7KSn)
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18 Insomniac is pretty good at existential despair.
Posted by: KT at December 28, 2019 11:41 AM (BVQ+1)
Years and years of dedicated involuntary practice.
Posted by: KT at December 28, 2019 11:41 AM (BVQ+1)
Years and years of dedicated involuntary practice.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:43 AM (NWiLs)
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Slaps Insomniac. Stop channeling B. Chasm.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 28, 2019 11:41 AM (n4y+3)
Sounds like a good idea.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 28, 2019 11:41 AM (n4y+3)
Sounds like a good idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2019 11:44 AM (wYseH)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:44 AM (NWiLs)
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Imma make cheater chicken and dumplings shortly.
Posted by: Infidel at December 28, 2019 11:45 AM (MTxDQ)
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Hey! Dammit, I am on an existential despair haiku roll! Don't stifle the art!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:45 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 28, 2019 11:45 AM (5/P8U)
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As a storyteller, the thing I always have to remember is that MOST evil people don't see themselves as evil. The Operative of Parliament was a refreshing exception (Serenity), but most villains think they are doing what is best, and anyone in their way is deserving of what they get.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:45 AM (Q3xyR)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM (WI7YS)
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Thread before the Gardening Thread!
Posted by: Weasel at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM (fksqF)
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Brandenburg Concerto No. 3, first movement, with tap dance accompaniment.
https://youtu.be/uD6rVtaqTDo
Brandenburg Concerto No. 3, first movement, with tap dance accompaniment.
https://youtu.be/uD6rVtaqTDo
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM (7rVsF)
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Well the turkey and dressing aren't going to cook themselves so I must leave my comfy chair. Carry on Horde.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM (n4y+3)
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32 As a storyteller, the thing I always have to remember is that MOST evil people don't see themselves as evil. The Operative of Parliament was a refreshing exception (Serenity), but most villains think they are doing what is best, and anyone in their way is deserving of what they get.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:45 AM (Q3xyR)
Yep. They do what they do with the blessings of their own consciences.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:45 AM (Q3xyR)
Yep. They do what they do with the blessings of their own consciences.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM (NWiLs)
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I do not think that the left holds its beliefs as a religion as much as a deeply hoped for fantasy of how things 'could be'. The major difference between religion and fantasy is that in religion the adherents hold fast to their faith and pity non-adherents. In a fantasy, it is more of a childish longing that is full of anger and frustration coupled with disdain for those who do not agree and worse yet for those that do not abet the dreams. They are hated for 'ruining' the hoped for 'ideal'.
Zealots will act in many ways to protect and preserve their faith. They are not threatened by non believers as they believe their 'faith' will sustain them.
People who barter in fantasy are delusional and are far more dangerous.
Hitler lived in a fantasy world and he destroyed any person who he deemed to be raining on his delusional parade. History records his atrocities and failures due to his delusions. What is interesting is how many bought into the delusion in order to benefit themselves to such an extent that they died rather than face the consequences of their maniacal behaviors.
In short, our liberal left wing opponents are bartering in fantasy as to how if only their 'perfect' plans were put into effect that everything would be wonderful. They ignore facts and any information that disputes their childish fantasies. They are dangerous.
Zealots will act in many ways to protect and preserve their faith. They are not threatened by non believers as they believe their 'faith' will sustain them.
People who barter in fantasy are delusional and are far more dangerous.
Hitler lived in a fantasy world and he destroyed any person who he deemed to be raining on his delusional parade. History records his atrocities and failures due to his delusions. What is interesting is how many bought into the delusion in order to benefit themselves to such an extent that they died rather than face the consequences of their maniacal behaviors.
In short, our liberal left wing opponents are bartering in fantasy as to how if only their 'perfect' plans were put into effect that everything would be wonderful. They ignore facts and any information that disputes their childish fantasies. They are dangerous.
Posted by: Glenda T. Goode at December 28, 2019 11:47 AM (Qc/U4)
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"Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Jair Bolsonaro - are men who have learned
to flood the zone with obvious lies, because their opponents simply
don't have the time or energy to deal them all"
so funny, since Trump has probably 95% of "news outlets" hating on him, constantly driving the leftist Narrative -- most obviously via the Trump/Russia lie to cover the various payola of the DC cartel.
They can't possibly watch news and think it is Trump flooding the zone ... unless they have TDS, or whatever cognitive dissonant type mental block.
to flood the zone with obvious lies, because their opponents simply
don't have the time or energy to deal them all"
so funny, since Trump has probably 95% of "news outlets" hating on him, constantly driving the leftist Narrative -- most obviously via the Trump/Russia lie to cover the various payola of the DC cartel.
They can't possibly watch news and think it is Trump flooding the zone ... unless they have TDS, or whatever cognitive dissonant type mental block.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 11:48 AM (Cus5s)
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as with the avengers, joss whedon doesn't realize whose side he's on, he's with the alliance and hydra, and wolfram and heart,
Posted by: gaius martius at December 28, 2019 11:48 AM (hMlTh)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:48 AM (NWiLs)
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If you think we are bad, wait until you see how much of a bitch reality can be.
Posted by: Tipsy Hillary, Squaw Lizzy and Botox Pelosi at December 28, 2019 11:49 AM (ABjxW)
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Hi Pale Rider.
Usually never play this time of year except for Sat after Thanksgiving.
We played a very fun, small little coffee house Sunday.
Gonna play another small one Friday which is bigger in summer because, outdoors.
Winery the 25th then nothing till mid March or so when it kicks back into gear.
Hi Pale Rider.
Usually never play this time of year except for Sat after Thanksgiving.
We played a very fun, small little coffee house Sunday.
Gonna play another small one Friday which is bigger in summer because, outdoors.
Winery the 25th then nothing till mid March or so when it kicks back into gear.
Posted by: teej at December 28, 2019 11:50 AM (4aVpH)
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This leads to the conflict wherein they insist that we be destroyed.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:29 AM (Q3xyR)
Projection and reflection are so intense that they dominate everything. The left, as always, projects all of its evils onto us, their opponents. They insist that we must be destroyed, *Because* of that insistence, they leave us no choice but to destroy them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 11:43 AM (V2Yro)
I think there's a genuine "who started it question" to be asked, that a lot of "conservatives" have a hard time asking.
Take a couple of our battlegrounds of the past 50 years or so.
Abortion and the entirely of the LBGTQ thing.
Abortion is wrong. Why? Because God says so. But what if I don't believe in your god. Then you're a sinner who will burn in hell.
Where does the argument go from there?
The gay thing is even more difficult to separate from the whole religion thing. Gay is bad. Who says. God does. But I'm gay. Then God says you're a sinner and you'll burn in hell.
The fact that conservatives have been so comfortable arguing withing the religion realm is part of the problem. They (we?) partly created the religion of the left, and are partly responsible for the fact that we can't argue about facts anymore.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:29 AM (Q3xyR)
Projection and reflection are so intense that they dominate everything. The left, as always, projects all of its evils onto us, their opponents. They insist that we must be destroyed, *Because* of that insistence, they leave us no choice but to destroy them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 11:43 AM (V2Yro)
I think there's a genuine "who started it question" to be asked, that a lot of "conservatives" have a hard time asking.
Take a couple of our battlegrounds of the past 50 years or so.
Abortion and the entirely of the LBGTQ thing.
Abortion is wrong. Why? Because God says so. But what if I don't believe in your god. Then you're a sinner who will burn in hell.
Where does the argument go from there?
The gay thing is even more difficult to separate from the whole religion thing. Gay is bad. Who says. God does. But I'm gay. Then God says you're a sinner and you'll burn in hell.
The fact that conservatives have been so comfortable arguing withing the religion realm is part of the problem. They (we?) partly created the religion of the left, and are partly responsible for the fact that we can't argue about facts anymore.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 11:50 AM (hku12)
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Insomniac a haiku depressive
Was often despair expressive
Wasn't fortune or fame
So, who is to blame
That he sounds like a soy boy progressive
Insomniac a haiku depressive
Was often despair expressive
Wasn't fortune or fame
So, who is to blame
That he sounds like a soy boy progressive
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 11:51 AM (XGA+D)
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Brandenburg Concerto No. 3, first movement, with tap dance accompaniment.
https://youtu.be/uD6rVtaqTDo
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM (7rVsF)
Now I've seen everything.
https://youtu.be/uD6rVtaqTDo
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM (7rVsF)
Now I've seen everything.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 28, 2019 11:51 AM (aS1PU)
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Posted by: Glenda T. Goode at December 28, 2019 11:47 AM (Qc/U4)
True. My mother, who has tested IQ in the 170s (when she was in psychiatric care in my youth) is often very angry at people for not behaving as she thinks they should. Combine that anger with power and reduced inhibitions, and you get the Squad.
True. My mother, who has tested IQ in the 170s (when she was in psychiatric care in my youth) is often very angry at people for not behaving as she thinks they should. Combine that anger with power and reduced inhibitions, and you get the Squad.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:51 AM (Q3xyR)
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I'm in the middle of watching "The Enemies Within"--a documentary with Trevor Loudon about progressives/socialists/communists.
At one point he lists all the Reps and Senators with strong ties to CPUSA and DSA, and went into a lot of detail on Bernie Sanders, whose communist ties go much farther than his honeymoon in USSR.
Well worth the watch if you haven't seen it. Free on Amazon Prime.
At one point he lists all the Reps and Senators with strong ties to CPUSA and DSA, and went into a lot of detail on Bernie Sanders, whose communist ties go much farther than his honeymoon in USSR.
Well worth the watch if you haven't seen it. Free on Amazon Prime.
Posted by: IrishEi at December 28, 2019 11:51 AM (sGotD)
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They can't possibly watch news and think it is Trump flooding the zone ... unless they have TDS, or whatever cognitive dissonant type mental block.
Posted by: illiniwek
They have TDS.
Morning all.
Posted by: illiniwek
They have TDS.
Morning all.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2019 11:51 AM (dEvh1)
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It's hard for me to say "where" I've heard that music, since the 3rd movement in the clip provided above (after the 8 minute mark) is one of my favorite Bach pieces of all time. If I hear it in some movie, I instantly think "ooh the Brandenburg Concertos! I love those!"
The reason a substitution is made for the original 2nd Movement is that the original 2nd movement was a sophisticated musical joke by Bach (who knew he had it in him?) It was written in honor of the winter solstice, and in honor of the shortest day in the year, it is the shortest concerto movement ever written, consisting of only 2 chords. You can hear it in this version, at the 5:36 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdsyNwUoON0
Ever since it was written, it's been standard for other pieces of music to be inserted during performances in place of this.
The reason a substitution is made for the original 2nd Movement is that the original 2nd movement was a sophisticated musical joke by Bach (who knew he had it in him?) It was written in honor of the winter solstice, and in honor of the shortest day in the year, it is the shortest concerto movement ever written, consisting of only 2 chords. You can hear it in this version, at the 5:36 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdsyNwUoON0
Ever since it was written, it's been standard for other pieces of music to be inserted during performances in place of this.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 11:52 AM (V2Yro)
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Happy Saturday ! Good morning Horde - you too Insom -
Don't you go anywhere, there's no one I'd rather have annoy me.
I'll try to do the incurably and unreasonably happy schtick and you can do the down guy. If either of us quits, the universe will not be in balance.
Bro hugs.
Don't you go anywhere, there's no one I'd rather have annoy me.
I'll try to do the incurably and unreasonably happy schtick and you can do the down guy. If either of us quits, the universe will not be in balance.
Bro hugs.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2019 11:53 AM (Y4EXg)
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Family wide we have a tradition of not being slaves to the calendar, its just dad and I. I love having lots of leftover turkey to make a huge pot pie and so on.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 28, 2019 11:41 AM
That's nice, not being slaves to the calendar. Wish my MIL would have been like that when I got married. Thankfully, my wife is flexible with the calendar.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 28, 2019 11:41 AM
That's nice, not being slaves to the calendar. Wish my MIL would have been like that when I got married. Thankfully, my wife is flexible with the calendar.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 28, 2019 11:54 AM (Dhht7)
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OK. Car is packed and time to start the drive home. See you later tonight!
Posted by: Weasel at December 28, 2019 11:55 AM (fksqF)
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Dig the haiku vibe
Groove to the pattern of words
First made in Japan
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:48 AM (NWiLs)
I know some people really love poetry, precisely because of the rhymes and the meter. I just don't get it. My brain just doesn't work that way, so it's always like I'm constantly trying to "translate" poetry into English.
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Groove to the pattern of words
First made in Japan
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:48 AM (NWiLs)
I know some people really love poetry, precisely because of the rhymes and the meter. I just don't get it. My brain just doesn't work that way, so it's always like I'm constantly trying to "translate" poetry into English.
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 11:55 AM (hku12)
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The gay thing is even more difficult to separate from the whole religion thing. Gay is bad. Who says. God does. But I'm gay. Then God says you're a sinner and you'll burn in hell.
That's not exactly correct.
We all have sinful impulses. Being a sinner comes in when we act on those impulses.
So, being gay doesn't necessarily lead to hell.
But, indulging your gay impulses might.
Okay, carry on.
That's not exactly correct.
We all have sinful impulses. Being a sinner comes in when we act on those impulses.
So, being gay doesn't necessarily lead to hell.
But, indulging your gay impulses might.
Okay, carry on.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 11:55 AM (XGA+D)
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I'll try to do the incurably and unreasonably happy schtick and you can do the down guy. If either of us quits, the universe will not be in balance.
Bro hugs.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2019 11:53 AM (Y4EXg)
Back at ya. I'm not going anywhere.
Balance the karma
Both ends of the scale the same
You can add the joy
Bro hugs.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2019 11:53 AM (Y4EXg)
Back at ya. I'm not going anywhere.
Balance the karma
Both ends of the scale the same
You can add the joy
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:56 AM (NWiLs)
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The fact that conservatives have been so comfortable arguing withing the religion realm is part of the problem. They (we?) partly created the religion of the left, and are partly responsible for the fact that we can't argue about facts anymore.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 11:50 AM (hku12)
True. My wife and I are fairly Christian (we try to be), and our attitude is on the 'love thy neighbor' and 'judge not' side of things - after all, it is He who does the judging. We are asked to be good disciples of Christ, and Christ walked amongst and ministered to sinners.
Sadly, the churchy folk who helped us to decide to leave our last church home were much more judgy and less welcoming. When our church changed it's focus from helping people find Christ to helping them 'follow', the outreach and acceptance took a huge nose dive.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 11:50 AM (hku12)
True. My wife and I are fairly Christian (we try to be), and our attitude is on the 'love thy neighbor' and 'judge not' side of things - after all, it is He who does the judging. We are asked to be good disciples of Christ, and Christ walked amongst and ministered to sinners.
Sadly, the churchy folk who helped us to decide to leave our last church home were much more judgy and less welcoming. When our church changed it's focus from helping people find Christ to helping them 'follow', the outreach and acceptance took a huge nose dive.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:56 AM (Q3xyR)
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54 OK. Car is packed and time to start the drive home. See you later tonight!
Posted by: Weasel at December 28, 2019 11:55 AM (fksqF)
Drive safe. Watch out for all those crazy bastards on the road
Posted by: Weasel at December 28, 2019 11:55 AM (fksqF)
Drive safe. Watch out for all those crazy bastards on the road
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:56 AM (NWiLs)
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OK. Car is packed and time to start the drive home. See you later tonight!
Posted by: Weasel
Safe travels.
Posted by: Weasel
Safe travels.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2019 11:57 AM (dEvh1)
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My brain just doesn't work that way, so it's always like I'm constantly trying to "translate" poetry into English.
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Posted by: BurtTC
---
Pshaw! Surely your brain automatically finishes:
"Here I sit, brokenhearted. . . . ."
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Pshaw! Surely your brain automatically finishes:
"Here I sit, brokenhearted. . . . ."
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2019 11:57 AM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:57 AM (NWiLs)
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59 54 OK. Car is packed and time to start the drive home. See you later tonight!
Posted by: Weasel at December 28, 2019 11:55 AM (fksqF)
Drive safe. Watch out for all those crazy bastards on the road
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:56 AM (NWiLs)
And for goodness sake, try not to BE one of the crazy bastards, unless you must!
Posted by: Weasel at December 28, 2019 11:55 AM (fksqF)
Drive safe. Watch out for all those crazy bastards on the road
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:56 AM (NWiLs)
And for goodness sake, try not to BE one of the crazy bastards, unless you must!
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:58 AM (Q3xyR)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:59 AM (NWiLs)
65
61 My brain just doesn't work that way, so it's always like I'm constantly trying to "translate" poetry into English.
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Posted by: BurtTC
---
Pshaw! Surely your brain automatically finishes:
"Here I sit, brokenhearted. . . . ."
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2019 11:57 AM (Y4EXg)
Sadly, I DO know the rest of this one. I guess I've been 20 a little too long?
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Posted by: BurtTC
---
Pshaw! Surely your brain automatically finishes:
"Here I sit, brokenhearted. . . . ."
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2019 11:57 AM (Y4EXg)
Sadly, I DO know the rest of this one. I guess I've been 20 a little too long?
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:59 AM (Q3xyR)
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I know some people really love poetry, precisely because of the rhymes and the meter.
Posted by: BurtTC
There once was a man from Nantucket...
Posted by: BurtTC
There once was a man from Nantucket...
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2019 12:00 PM (dEvh1)
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65 - meant 29. Sigh.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 12:00 PM (Q3xyR)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 12:01 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Destructive wild pigs, coming to a bridge at December 28, 2019 12:01 PM (Tnijr)
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Life is only pain
One who says it's different
Is selling something
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 12:01 PM (NWiLs)
Well done.
One who says it's different
Is selling something
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 12:01 PM (NWiLs)
Well done.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 28, 2019 12:02 PM (aS1PU)
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OK. Car is packed and time to start the drive home. See you later tonight!
Posted by: Weasel
Drive safe. Watch out for all those crazy bastards on the road
Posted by: Insomniac
And for goodness sake, try not to BE one of the crazy bastards, unless you must!
Posted by: Deranged DM
Drive offensively. Weave side to side in your lane.
You'll be surprised how people stay away from you!
Posted by: Weasel
Drive safe. Watch out for all those crazy bastards on the road
Posted by: Insomniac
And for goodness sake, try not to BE one of the crazy bastards, unless you must!
Posted by: Deranged DM
Drive offensively. Weave side to side in your lane.
You'll be surprised how people stay away from you!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2019 12:02 PM (dEvh1)
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My brain just doesn't work that way, so it's always like I'm constantly trying to "translate" poetry into English.
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Posted by: BurtTC
---
Pshaw! Surely your brain automatically finishes:
"Here I sit, brokenhearted. . . . ."
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2019 11:57 AM (Y4EXg)
That's sorta like certain Latin or french or Spanglish phrases that have been incorporated into English. The brain has accepted them as some of our own.
So yeah, tried to shit and only farted, it's the je ne sais quoi of poetry.
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Posted by: BurtTC
---
Pshaw! Surely your brain automatically finishes:
"Here I sit, brokenhearted. . . . ."
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2019 11:57 AM (Y4EXg)
That's sorta like certain Latin or french or Spanglish phrases that have been incorporated into English. The brain has accepted them as some of our own.
So yeah, tried to shit and only farted, it's the je ne sais quoi of poetry.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:03 PM (hku12)
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Several years ago I created the concept of "Moron-Ku"
The idea, inspired by the thread on Mel Gibson's phone messages, is that the last line of the Moron-Ku is implied. That last line is always, "But first, you'll blow me."
Example:
Your eyes, in sunlight
Make me want to hold you tight
The idea, inspired by the thread on Mel Gibson's phone messages, is that the last line of the Moron-Ku is implied. That last line is always, "But first, you'll blow me."
Example:
Your eyes, in sunlight
Make me want to hold you tight
Posted by: K-Bob at December 28, 2019 12:03 PM (i9fcG)
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Currently, Florida Senator Rick Scott is (per his newsletter) working on a national "health plan." Not my area of expertise, but IF I did, contacting his office and asking for an appointment to speak w a Staff member about some "ideas" might lead to something. Networking does lead to positives.
Posted by: EveR at December 28, 2019 12:03 PM (ZZDMQ)
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Prager is wrong, insofar Leftism isn't a Religion, Leftism is a cult, an important distinction with everything that entails.
Judaeo-Christian philosophy and Western thought has brought wonderful things and standards of living to billions of people regardless of their belief.
Leftism has brought untold misery and frankly, retarded human potential and development. The damage is incalcuble. There would have been vacation flights to fricking Mars starting about 1840 if it weren't for those asshats.
Judaeo-Christian philosophy and Western thought has brought wonderful things and standards of living to billions of people regardless of their belief.
Leftism has brought untold misery and frankly, retarded human potential and development. The damage is incalcuble. There would have been vacation flights to fricking Mars starting about 1840 if it weren't for those asshats.
Posted by: Common Tater at December 28, 2019 12:04 PM (UFsY2)
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The fact that conservatives have been so comfortable arguing withing the religion realm is part of the problem. They (we?) partly created the religion of the left, and are partly responsible for the fact that we can't argue about facts anymore.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 11:50 AM (hku12)
True. My wife and I are fairly Christian (we try to be), and our attitude is on the 'love thy neighbor' and 'judge not' side of things - after all, it is He who does the judging. We are asked to be good disciples of Christ, and Christ walked amongst and ministered to sinners.
Sadly, the churchy folk who helped us to decide to leave our last church home were much more judgy and less welcoming. When our church changed it's focus from helping people find Christ to helping them 'follow', the outreach and acceptance took a huge nose dive.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:56 AM (Q3xyR)
It's where that funny word "hubris" comes in.
We have the answers. You should follow. Works well when one is raising children. For adults, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 11:50 AM (hku12)
True. My wife and I are fairly Christian (we try to be), and our attitude is on the 'love thy neighbor' and 'judge not' side of things - after all, it is He who does the judging. We are asked to be good disciples of Christ, and Christ walked amongst and ministered to sinners.
Sadly, the churchy folk who helped us to decide to leave our last church home were much more judgy and less welcoming. When our church changed it's focus from helping people find Christ to helping them 'follow', the outreach and acceptance took a huge nose dive.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:56 AM (Q3xyR)
It's where that funny word "hubris" comes in.
We have the answers. You should follow. Works well when one is raising children. For adults, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:05 PM (hku12)
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The reality of course being that Our Betters(tm) are a bunch of Arrogant Inbred DumbFucks who couldn't hold a normal job, but because of their connections are allowed to loot the country while skating along just under the law.
We should be hanging a couple of them every weekend on Pay-Per-View just to keep the rest of them in line.
Romney, Biden, Pelosi and Kerry all have sons connected to Ukrainian gas companies. Filth.
We should be hanging a couple of them every weekend on Pay-Per-View just to keep the rest of them in line.
Romney, Biden, Pelosi and Kerry all have sons connected to Ukrainian gas companies. Filth.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 28, 2019 12:05 PM (wrO39)
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We have the answers. You should follow. Works well when one is raising children. For adults, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:05 PM (hku12)
Even then it doesn't always work out so well.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:05 PM (hku12)
Even then it doesn't always work out so well.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 12:06 PM (mSzv6)
Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio, B.S. (Econ., Boston Universitas). at December 28, 2019 12:06 PM (koNhm)
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Your eyes, in sunlight
Make me want to hold you tight
Posted by: K-Bob at December 28, 2019 12:03 PM (i9fcG)
Yes, I will join you
In watching The Notebook now
Make me want to hold you tight
Posted by: K-Bob at December 28, 2019 12:03 PM (i9fcG)
Yes, I will join you
In watching The Notebook now
Posted by: Vanya at December 28, 2019 12:06 PM (S6ArX)
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Romney, Biden, Pelosi and Kerry all have sons connected to Ukrainian gas companies. Filth.
Posted by: Sharkman
For all those on the left who are sooooo green, seems a lot of their kids work for oil and gas companies.
Posted by: Sharkman
For all those on the left who are sooooo green, seems a lot of their kids work for oil and gas companies.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2019 12:07 PM (dEvh1)
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The elites all over Europe & North America (esp our left coast) are leading us to the same place:
some sort of EU-like Socialist dystopia, where democracy is marginalized, until The Great Replacement can be completed. That emerging superstate will create a ruling class that lives like the Pharaohs, while the little people get subsistence-level welfare benefits-- but everyone will be equal at last! Except for the people with the jet helicopters. But other than them, I mean.
some sort of EU-like Socialist dystopia, where democracy is marginalized, until The Great Replacement can be completed. That emerging superstate will create a ruling class that lives like the Pharaohs, while the little people get subsistence-level welfare benefits-- but everyone will be equal at last! Except for the people with the jet helicopters. But other than them, I mean.
Posted by: mnw at December 28, 2019 12:07 PM (Cssks)
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Burt, I understand your argument, but you equate two different categories, and in fact people who are conservative, and yes, people who are very religious view these two in VERY different ways.
The issue of LGBT involves matters of *personal* morality. And believe it or not, almost all very religious people accept that you can do whatever you like, personally, and any questions of morality are between you and God. The issue today is, can you force me to stand up and swear loyalty to YOUR beliefs, just to make you happy? That's where the coercion and tyranny of the left comes into play.
As to abortion, that is a completely different issue, because it involves an innocent human life, and one of the most important precepts of our Law and Culture for a thousand years or more is that the Helpless and the Weak deserve to be protected from predation by those more powerful. Who is more weak and helpless than an unborn baby?
On this issue, the Left not only takes an anti-religious view, they take an anti-scientific view as well. To believe that abortion is "just fine', you have to accept that this living creature is NOT human until some theoretical time clock runs out and he or she pops out of the womb. But that simply is not true, in fact there is not one single rational argument that this is true. I could see an argument for the conversion taking place at some point after actual conception, but that's not the issue here. The issue is that Abortion just before the point of birth is Murder, plain and simple, and anyone with any moral compass at all, not just those who are religious, must oppose it on those grounds.
To do anything else is to simply be an apologist for Murder. Opposing Abortion is as much of a Moral Imperative as opposing Slavery.
The issue of LGBT involves matters of *personal* morality. And believe it or not, almost all very religious people accept that you can do whatever you like, personally, and any questions of morality are between you and God. The issue today is, can you force me to stand up and swear loyalty to YOUR beliefs, just to make you happy? That's where the coercion and tyranny of the left comes into play.
As to abortion, that is a completely different issue, because it involves an innocent human life, and one of the most important precepts of our Law and Culture for a thousand years or more is that the Helpless and the Weak deserve to be protected from predation by those more powerful. Who is more weak and helpless than an unborn baby?
On this issue, the Left not only takes an anti-religious view, they take an anti-scientific view as well. To believe that abortion is "just fine', you have to accept that this living creature is NOT human until some theoretical time clock runs out and he or she pops out of the womb. But that simply is not true, in fact there is not one single rational argument that this is true. I could see an argument for the conversion taking place at some point after actual conception, but that's not the issue here. The issue is that Abortion just before the point of birth is Murder, plain and simple, and anyone with any moral compass at all, not just those who are religious, must oppose it on those grounds.
To do anything else is to simply be an apologist for Murder. Opposing Abortion is as much of a Moral Imperative as opposing Slavery.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:07 PM (V2Yro)
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Currently, Florida Senator Rick Scott is (per his newsletter) working on a national "health plan." Not my area of expertise, but IF I did, contacting his office and asking for an appointment to speak w a Staff member about some "ideas" might lead to something. Networking does lead to positives.
Posted by: EveR
That's right up Insomniac's alley !
Posted by: EveR
That's right up Insomniac's alley !
Posted by: JT at December 28, 2019 12:08 PM (arJlL)
85
Romney, Biden, Pelosi and Kerry all have sons connected to Ukrainian gas companies. Filth.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 28, 2019 12:05 PM (wrO39)
No wonder Ukraine is so broke. They're giving all the dough to Western politicians.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 28, 2019 12:05 PM (wrO39)
No wonder Ukraine is so broke. They're giving all the dough to Western politicians.
Posted by: Vanya at December 28, 2019 12:08 PM (S6ArX)
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The Enemies Within
Interesting. You have to download chrome. And you can't download chrome unless you agree to make it your home page and let them gather your info. But I'm not tech savvy, there is probably a better way to do it.
Interesting. You have to download chrome. And you can't download chrome unless you agree to make it your home page and let them gather your info. But I'm not tech savvy, there is probably a better way to do it.
Posted by: Infidel at December 28, 2019 12:09 PM (MTxDQ)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 28, 2019 12:09 PM (aS1PU)
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Reading haiku after awhile has you reading in Yoda.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2019 12:09 PM (dEvh1)
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For all those on the left who are sooooo green, seems a lot of their kids work for oil and gas companies.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2019 12:07 PM (dEvh1)
They're NIMBY green. As long as it's happening to Slavs and Chinese slave labor and they don't have to watch the icky factory smoke they don't care.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2019 12:07 PM (dEvh1)
They're NIMBY green. As long as it's happening to Slavs and Chinese slave labor and they don't have to watch the icky factory smoke they don't care.
Posted by: Vanya at December 28, 2019 12:09 PM (S6ArX)
Posted by: mnw at December 28, 2019 12:11 PM (Cssks)
91
The elites all over Europe & North America (esp our left coast) are leading us to the same place:
some sort of EU-like Socialist dystopia, where democracy is marginalized, until The Great Replacement can be completed. That emerging superstate will create a ruling class that lives like the Pharaohs, while the little people get subsistence-level welfare benefits-- but everyone will be equal at last! Except for the people with the jet helicopters. But other than them, I mean.
Posted by: mnw
There are always some more equal than others in socialism.
some sort of EU-like Socialist dystopia, where democracy is marginalized, until The Great Replacement can be completed. That emerging superstate will create a ruling class that lives like the Pharaohs, while the little people get subsistence-level welfare benefits-- but everyone will be equal at last! Except for the people with the jet helicopters. But other than them, I mean.
Posted by: mnw
There are always some more equal than others in socialism.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2019 12:12 PM (dEvh1)
Posted by: Vmom's phone at December 28, 2019 12:12 PM (EGSGm)
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Being a Prager listener for at least 10 years I think he was one of the first who put Leftism into a religious content.
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:12 PM (ZCEU2)
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We have the answers. You should follow. Works well when one is raising children. For adults, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:05 PM (hku12)
Even then it doesn't always work out so well.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 12:06 PM (mSzv6)
Sometimes I do write in shorthand here. I have the natural inclination to write tomes, when I'm not careful.
So...
Raising children (and the family unit in general) is the prime example of the communist state, working well... when everyone in the system loves each other, and cares deeply for the well-being of the others.
Hayek has used this as the perfect metaphor about socialism. Without that shared commitment to each other, the system will absolutely fail. So while it works well in a LOVING family, in a corporation or industry or nation-state, it is an abysmal failure, PRECISELY because I don't have to give a shit whether you succeed or not. As long as I get mine, I'm fine. Socialism is a failure because it tries to turn human nature on its head.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:05 PM (hku12)
Even then it doesn't always work out so well.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 12:06 PM (mSzv6)
Sometimes I do write in shorthand here. I have the natural inclination to write tomes, when I'm not careful.
So...
Raising children (and the family unit in general) is the prime example of the communist state, working well... when everyone in the system loves each other, and cares deeply for the well-being of the others.
Hayek has used this as the perfect metaphor about socialism. Without that shared commitment to each other, the system will absolutely fail. So while it works well in a LOVING family, in a corporation or industry or nation-state, it is an abysmal failure, PRECISELY because I don't have to give a shit whether you succeed or not. As long as I get mine, I'm fine. Socialism is a failure because it tries to turn human nature on its head.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:13 PM (hku12)
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Walter/Wendy Carlos closed out the "Switched-On Bach" album with Brandenburg Concerto #3, and went nuts with synth effects in the improvised second movement.
The entire album on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krDR07rssfY
Brandenburg Concerto #3
1st movement at 25:40
2nd movement at 32:12
3rd movement at 35:02
In 1971, a college friend had only heard Carlos's synthesizer version of Brandenburg #3. At a party, he urged me to play my orchestral recording, promising to the assembled company that Movement 2 would blow their minds. That recording did not use a brilliantly-improvised cadenza for Movement 2 -- just two chords, and on to Movement 3. He was quite crestfallen.
The entire album on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krDR07rssfY
Brandenburg Concerto #3
1st movement at 25:40
2nd movement at 32:12
3rd movement at 35:02
In 1971, a college friend had only heard Carlos's synthesizer version of Brandenburg #3. At a party, he urged me to play my orchestral recording, promising to the assembled company that Movement 2 would blow their minds. That recording did not use a brilliantly-improvised cadenza for Movement 2 -- just two chords, and on to Movement 3. He was quite crestfallen.
Posted by: Whiggish Boffin at December 28, 2019 12:13 PM (k/Co7)
96
I'm afraid to open my pudding cup. It wants me to make it my home page. Food with EULA.
Posted by: klaftern at December 28, 2019 12:13 PM (RuIsu)
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Burt, I've found that Leftists are among the most bigoted people around. "They" (in many cases) don't particularly care for homosexuals, they use them as a cudgel, in order to stick it in the eye of normal folks.
Years ago I found that when arguing (in the rhetorical sense) with leftists about homosexuality, it was really a proxy for Religion. I recognized that argumentation for Religion in the public sphere was a lost cause. I took different angles - whether from a purely secular public health standpoint, or even one of aesthetics - buggering guys up the ass is just pretty goddamned strange and disgusting. My point was, Religion ain't got nothin' to do with it, and it doesn't need to.
Part of the scam is ever and always dividing an issue into "either or" or false choices. This is why they do things the way they do, to frame the debate, and nudge people into a pre-ordained foregone conclusion. Anyone who has had a classical education won't be fooled for a second.
Years ago I found that when arguing (in the rhetorical sense) with leftists about homosexuality, it was really a proxy for Religion. I recognized that argumentation for Religion in the public sphere was a lost cause. I took different angles - whether from a purely secular public health standpoint, or even one of aesthetics - buggering guys up the ass is just pretty goddamned strange and disgusting. My point was, Religion ain't got nothin' to do with it, and it doesn't need to.
Part of the scam is ever and always dividing an issue into "either or" or false choices. This is why they do things the way they do, to frame the debate, and nudge people into a pre-ordained foregone conclusion. Anyone who has had a classical education won't be fooled for a second.
Posted by: Common Tater at December 28, 2019 12:14 PM (UFsY2)
98
Huh, Gary Sinise in Criminal MInds.
Posted by: Infidel at December 28, 2019 12:14 PM (MTxDQ)
99
Yeeesh.
No one in my family has my hardcore circadian rhythm genes apparently.
I simply can't sleep after a certain point if I have a regular routine. ie, work.
In fact, if I have a really set schedule, and I want to wake up at a particular time, say three in the morning, I can do it without an alarm clock.
It's kind of a tiresome super-power to have.
I'd rather Extreme Luck Winning the Lottery instead, if you please.
Yeeesh.
No one in my family has my hardcore circadian rhythm genes apparently.
I simply can't sleep after a certain point if I have a regular routine. ie, work.
In fact, if I have a really set schedule, and I want to wake up at a particular time, say three in the morning, I can do it without an alarm clock.
It's kind of a tiresome super-power to have.
I'd rather Extreme Luck Winning the Lottery instead, if you please.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 12:14 PM (XGA+D)
100
Any android experts out there who might know a way to force play store to install an app to internal memory?
Or know a way to force the half of the system that can't detect my sd card to get with the program...grrr.
Any android experts out there who might know a way to force play store to install an app to internal memory?
Or know a way to force the half of the system that can't detect my sd card to get with the program...grrr.
Posted by: Gooshy at December 28, 2019 12:14 PM (ISk/J)
Posted by: Vdoggeh at December 28, 2019 12:16 PM (EGSGm)
102
Following up from this morning went over to my parents and my dad already replaced their garbage disposal. He said it was only a half hour job since mounting points were same. He could only hold it up and had my mother start the nuts on mounting bolts. I remember they are fairly heavy to hold up in a awkward spot.
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:17 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 28, 2019 12:17 PM (5v5Zx)
104
Listening to Bach reminds me of the Firing Line and that the National Review was at one time, get this, conservative.
Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at December 28, 2019 12:17 PM (viJE+)
105
I know some people really love poetry, precisely because of the rhymes and the meter. I just don't get it. My brain just doesn't work that way, so it's always like I'm constantly trying to "translate" poetry into English.
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 11:55 AM (hku12)
For me, poetry is inseparable from music. I love music, and my mind will often find tunes to accompany a piece of poetry I'm reading. Some entire languages are very musical, much more so than English - gaelic, for example, accounting for the musical quality in the Irish voice, even today. Also, those who haven't done it may be surprised to know that it is much, much easier to sing in Latin than it is to sing in English. The rhyming and rhythm of Latin Verse is almost effortless. I suspect that English is one of the worst languages for poetry that exists.
Such a pointless extra step for me.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 11:55 AM (hku12)
For me, poetry is inseparable from music. I love music, and my mind will often find tunes to accompany a piece of poetry I'm reading. Some entire languages are very musical, much more so than English - gaelic, for example, accounting for the musical quality in the Irish voice, even today. Also, those who haven't done it may be surprised to know that it is much, much easier to sing in Latin than it is to sing in English. The rhyming and rhythm of Latin Verse is almost effortless. I suspect that English is one of the worst languages for poetry that exists.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:18 PM (V2Yro)
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A haiku does not even rhyme
Nor have meter nor sense of time
It's just so many syllables
The notion is risible
While the Limerick's truly sublime
Nor have meter nor sense of time
It's just so many syllables
The notion is risible
While the Limerick's truly sublime
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Limericist at December 28, 2019 12:19 PM (gd9RK)
107
In fact, if I have a really set schedule, and I want to wake up at a particular time, say three in the morning, I can do it without an alarm clock.
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impressive
Posted by: runner at December 28, 2019 12:19 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 28, 2019 12:19 PM (4HHmO)
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Following up from this morning went over to my parents and my dad already replaced their garbage disposal. He said it was only a half hour job since mounting points were same. He could only hold it up and had my mother start the nuts on mounting bolts. I remember they are fairly heavy to hold up in a awkward spot.
Posted by: Skip
Good on them! I replaced my years ago 'before I was 29' it was a chore. Thankfully, I was in much better shape then, it is heavy and awkward.
Posted by: Skip
Good on them! I replaced my years ago 'before I was 29' it was a chore. Thankfully, I was in much better shape then, it is heavy and awkward.
Posted by: Infidel at December 28, 2019 12:19 PM (MTxDQ)
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"churchy folk who helped us to decide to leave our
last church home were much more judgy and less welcoming. When our
church changed it's focus from helping people find Christ to helping
them 'follow', the outreach and acceptance took a huge nose dive" Posted by: Deranged DM
lots of comparisons between the corruptions within the USA and corruptions that happen within denominations (or various groups). Lots of good people, then some see the chance to take advantage of the structure, they may become power hungry, or abuse authority, or full of pride -- then that becomes systemic (e.g. SJWs) .. or at higher levels ... Soviet/commie engineered infiltration, with intent to destroy.
last church home were much more judgy and less welcoming. When our
church changed it's focus from helping people find Christ to helping
them 'follow', the outreach and acceptance took a huge nose dive" Posted by: Deranged DM
lots of comparisons between the corruptions within the USA and corruptions that happen within denominations (or various groups). Lots of good people, then some see the chance to take advantage of the structure, they may become power hungry, or abuse authority, or full of pride -- then that becomes systemic (e.g. SJWs) .. or at higher levels ... Soviet/commie engineered infiltration, with intent to destroy.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 12:20 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Vmom at December 28, 2019 12:21 PM (EGSGm)
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I use Chrome on my tablet, though not for AoSHq. Don't really have a home page as go right to sites always.
And assume but not know exactly android runs on my tablet
And assume but not know exactly android runs on my tablet
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:21 PM (ZCEU2)
113
Since the leftists control everything, I really wish they'd do something about pi and e, maybe make them both equal to 3 exactly. It would simplify a lot of calculations.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 12:21 PM (cK+AV)
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Vmom - was just discussing I take short naps in the middle of the day. Getting up usually at 4am daily does tire me out.
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:23 PM (ZCEU2)
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the whole deconstructionism and post modernism is based around the idea that the concept of culture can be pulled apart, the levers identified, and the "correct" incentives and rewards left in to ensure that Utopia will be reached, finally, after 175 years.
Reality isn't needed when you are re-engineering the whole culture
Reality isn't needed when you are re-engineering the whole culture
Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2019 12:23 PM (1glZx)
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Off to start my day. Thanks for the great conversations. Have an excellent diurnal anomaly everyone!
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 12:23 PM (Q3xyR)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:23 PM (V2Yro)
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"Being a Prager listener for at least 10 years I think he was one of the first who put Leftism into a religious content."
Skip, Michael Crichton said environmentalism was a religion longer ago than that.
Skip, Michael Crichton said environmentalism was a religion longer ago than that.
Posted by: barbarausa at December 28, 2019 12:24 PM (W7IZQ)
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On this issue, the Left not only takes an anti-religious view, they take an anti-scientific view as well. To believe that abortion is "just fine', you have to accept that this living creature is NOT human until some theoretical time clock runs out and he or she pops out of the womb. But that simply is not true, in fact there is not one single rational argument that this is true. I could see an argument for the conversion taking place at some point after actual conception, but that's not the issue here. The issue is that Abortion just before the point of birth is Murder, plain and simple, and anyone with any moral compass at all, not just those who are religious, must oppose it on those grounds.
To do anything else is to simply be an apologist for Murder. Opposing Abortion is as much of a Moral Imperative as opposing Slavery.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:07 PM (V2Yro)
That's my point. You CAN argue this from a scientific perspective, and yes, the left does take a view that "humanity" does not start with conception, and has a hard time defining HOW they determine the point at which humanity begins.
So if one stays in the scientific, fact-based realm, in arguing these points, it's likely your position will win.
However, conservatives, and their politicians, have taken the shortcut. They say "God doesn't like it." Which means anyone who doesn't agree with your initial premise, that indeed there IS a god, they aren't going to be persuaded.
And anyone who is going to look at the history of LBGTQ in this country HAS to acknowledge that it was quite convenient that there were laws on the books to keep one from ever having to argue their side's position. If one imagines what that must have been like, to be on the other side, well, today when they want to tell you that YOUR point of view is bigoted and wrong "because we say so".... there's a bit of revenge in all this. And they're not going to listen to you now, if you want to argue any point that suggest gay behavior is, perhaps, sub-optimal.
To do anything else is to simply be an apologist for Murder. Opposing Abortion is as much of a Moral Imperative as opposing Slavery.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:07 PM (V2Yro)
That's my point. You CAN argue this from a scientific perspective, and yes, the left does take a view that "humanity" does not start with conception, and has a hard time defining HOW they determine the point at which humanity begins.
So if one stays in the scientific, fact-based realm, in arguing these points, it's likely your position will win.
However, conservatives, and their politicians, have taken the shortcut. They say "God doesn't like it." Which means anyone who doesn't agree with your initial premise, that indeed there IS a god, they aren't going to be persuaded.
And anyone who is going to look at the history of LBGTQ in this country HAS to acknowledge that it was quite convenient that there were laws on the books to keep one from ever having to argue their side's position. If one imagines what that must have been like, to be on the other side, well, today when they want to tell you that YOUR point of view is bigoted and wrong "because we say so".... there's a bit of revenge in all this. And they're not going to listen to you now, if you want to argue any point that suggest gay behavior is, perhaps, sub-optimal.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:24 PM (hku12)
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Poetry that rhymes, how bourgeois!
Posted by: Modern poets at December 28, 2019 12:27 PM (5v5Zx)
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Skip, Michael Crichton said environmentalism was a religion longer ago than that.
Posted by: barbarausa
And he didn't kill himself either
Posted by: barbarausa
And he didn't kill himself either
Posted by: JT at December 28, 2019 12:27 PM (arJlL)
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Haiku is "made in Japan"
Has no rhythm, no rhyme nor a plan
Designed to impress
Once renowned yet forgotten Empress
I think it outlived its life-span
Has no rhythm, no rhyme nor a plan
Designed to impress
Once renowned yet forgotten Empress
I think it outlived its life-span
Posted by: runner at December 28, 2019 12:28 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: barbarausa at December 28, 2019 12:28 PM (W7IZQ)
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Tucker could be onto something.
Look at the Global Warmering 'debate'.
Deniers are now considered heretics, who want to KILL EVEYONE!
Even though, there is no real evidence of any current warming.
They BELIEVE, ergo it must be true.
Its been a religion for years now, but they are now using the same mindset on other issues as well, such as gender.
Look at the Global Warmering 'debate'.
Deniers are now considered heretics, who want to KILL EVEYONE!
Even though, there is no real evidence of any current warming.
They BELIEVE, ergo it must be true.
Its been a religion for years now, but they are now using the same mindset on other issues as well, such as gender.
Posted by: Don Q at December 28, 2019 12:28 PM (NgKpN)
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JT, neither did Breitbart
Posted by: barbarausa at December 28, 2019 12:28 PM (W7IZQ)
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The problem they have is that they have been distorting reality for so long that they no longer recognize it. Instead, their desires have replaced it in their minds, and any contradiction must, therefore, be both false and evil.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:29 AM (Q3xyR)
We see this most clearly here in California re "homelessness," i.e., "vagrancy." In the spirit of scratching where it doesn't itch, California insists that the problem is lack of housing ("affordable" housing, as they love to say, not defining "affordable," of course), and so propose spending tax money on building vagrants' apartments at top dollar ($300,000 per). Of course, this will necessitate raising taxes, but then doesn't everything?
They refuse to accept the obvious reality: vagrancy results from drug addiction and mental illness, and putting vagrants up in the Four Seasons hotel will just result in the trashing of the hotel. Plus, spending more on "programs" will just attract even MORE vagrants (California already has half of all vagrants in the country, apparently.)
But reality doesn't get a look-in. No. Let's just keep doing what we've been doing as the problem has grown increasingly fulminant. OK.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 28, 2019 11:29 AM (Q3xyR)
We see this most clearly here in California re "homelessness," i.e., "vagrancy." In the spirit of scratching where it doesn't itch, California insists that the problem is lack of housing ("affordable" housing, as they love to say, not defining "affordable," of course), and so propose spending tax money on building vagrants' apartments at top dollar ($300,000 per). Of course, this will necessitate raising taxes, but then doesn't everything?
They refuse to accept the obvious reality: vagrancy results from drug addiction and mental illness, and putting vagrants up in the Four Seasons hotel will just result in the trashing of the hotel. Plus, spending more on "programs" will just attract even MORE vagrants (California already has half of all vagrants in the country, apparently.)
But reality doesn't get a look-in. No. Let's just keep doing what we've been doing as the problem has grown increasingly fulminant. OK.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 12:29 PM (cK+AV)
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Never been much of a poet, need a house built though I'm you guy
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:30 PM (ZCEU2)
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well howdy doody, that Crichton speech I posted begins with him saying the greatest challenge to mankind is distinguishing between fantasy and reality...
Posted by: barbarausa at December 28, 2019 12:32 PM (W7IZQ)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 28, 2019 12:32 PM (4HHmO)
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Look at the Global Warmering 'debate'.
Deniers are now considered heretics, who want to KILL EVERYONE!
Even though, there is no real evidence of any current warming.
They BELIEVE, ergo it must be true.
Its been a religion for years now, but they are now using the same mindset on other issues as well, such as gender.
Posted by: Don Q at December 28, 2019 12:28 PM (NgKpN)
Look on the bright side: at least they won't burn us heretics, because that would add even more to global warming. They could, however, bore us to death.
For my part, there are three genders: masculine, feminine, and neuter; but there are only two sexes: male and female.
The Reds insist on conflating gender with sex, the latter apparently being a naughty word.
Deniers are now considered heretics, who want to KILL EVERYONE!
Even though, there is no real evidence of any current warming.
They BELIEVE, ergo it must be true.
Its been a religion for years now, but they are now using the same mindset on other issues as well, such as gender.
Posted by: Don Q at December 28, 2019 12:28 PM (NgKpN)
Look on the bright side: at least they won't burn us heretics, because that would add even more to global warming. They could, however, bore us to death.
For my part, there are three genders: masculine, feminine, and neuter; but there are only two sexes: male and female.
The Reds insist on conflating gender with sex, the latter apparently being a naughty word.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 12:32 PM (cK+AV)
Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2019 12:32 PM (1glZx)
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And anyone who is going to look at the history of LBGTQ in this country HAS to acknowledge that it was quite convenient that there were laws on the books to keep one from ever having to argue their side's position."
This impulse is repeated into a lot of different areas - should our current policies be based on doing what we have finally realized is the best we can do, or is it to be based on revenge for the past? This what pushes "reparations" for people who are generations removed from slavery, or "right of return" for Palestinians who have never in their lives set foot in the places they demand to "return" to.
It doesn't take many examples to show that a thirst for Revenge! always leads to destruction and chaos, since each side will always extract more and more Revenge when it gets its turn. France in the 1790's took Revenge against the Aristocracy, Russia did the same in 1917 - how did that work out for either of them? Any public policies based solely on the idea of Revenge for the past must be thrown out by anyone who cares for their country.
This impulse is repeated into a lot of different areas - should our current policies be based on doing what we have finally realized is the best we can do, or is it to be based on revenge for the past? This what pushes "reparations" for people who are generations removed from slavery, or "right of return" for Palestinians who have never in their lives set foot in the places they demand to "return" to.
It doesn't take many examples to show that a thirst for Revenge! always leads to destruction and chaos, since each side will always extract more and more Revenge when it gets its turn. France in the 1790's took Revenge against the Aristocracy, Russia did the same in 1917 - how did that work out for either of them? Any public policies based solely on the idea of Revenge for the past must be thrown out by anyone who cares for their country.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:33 PM (V2Yro)
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I am not very good at napping
Posted by: Vmom at December 28, 2019 12:34 PM (EGSGm)
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Burt, I've found that Leftists are among the most bigoted people around. "They" (in many cases) don't particularly care for homosexuals, they use them as a cudgel, in order to stick it in the eye of normal folks.
Years ago I found that when arguing (in the rhetorical sense) with leftists about homosexuality, it was really a proxy for Religion. I recognized that argumentation for Religion in the public sphere was a lost cause. I took different angles - whether from a purely secular public health standpoint, or even one of aesthetics - buggering guys up the ass is just pretty goddamned strange and disgusting. My point was, Religion ain't got nothin' to do with it, and it doesn't need to.
Part of the scam is ever and always dividing an issue into "either or" or false choices. This is why they do things the way they do, to frame the debate, and nudge people into a pre-ordained foregone conclusion. Anyone who has had a classical education won't be fooled for a second.
Posted by: Common Tater at December 28, 2019 12:14 PM (UFsY2)
Bigotry is a funny word. I don't think it has much use, except as a weapon to be thrown at someone, when one does not wish to engage them in debate.
Seems to me, a more accurate word for such mattes is "ignorance." Even if that ignorance is merely the fact that I don't have the same perspective as you.
In that sense, we're all ignorant, in some manner or form (some more than others!), and it opens an opportunity for learning, if we're willing to view the exchanges in which we find ourselves, as an effort to combat ignorance.
But if I've already labeled you as being wrong somehow, you're not going to be too open to what I have to say.
Years ago I found that when arguing (in the rhetorical sense) with leftists about homosexuality, it was really a proxy for Religion. I recognized that argumentation for Religion in the public sphere was a lost cause. I took different angles - whether from a purely secular public health standpoint, or even one of aesthetics - buggering guys up the ass is just pretty goddamned strange and disgusting. My point was, Religion ain't got nothin' to do with it, and it doesn't need to.
Part of the scam is ever and always dividing an issue into "either or" or false choices. This is why they do things the way they do, to frame the debate, and nudge people into a pre-ordained foregone conclusion. Anyone who has had a classical education won't be fooled for a second.
Posted by: Common Tater at December 28, 2019 12:14 PM (UFsY2)
Bigotry is a funny word. I don't think it has much use, except as a weapon to be thrown at someone, when one does not wish to engage them in debate.
Seems to me, a more accurate word for such mattes is "ignorance." Even if that ignorance is merely the fact that I don't have the same perspective as you.
In that sense, we're all ignorant, in some manner or form (some more than others!), and it opens an opportunity for learning, if we're willing to view the exchanges in which we find ourselves, as an effort to combat ignorance.
But if I've already labeled you as being wrong somehow, you're not going to be too open to what I have to say.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:35 PM (hku12)
Posted by: JT at December 28, 2019 12:35 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 28, 2019 12:36 PM (O4K4J)
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It doesn't take many examples to show that a thirst
for Revenge! always leads to destruction and chaos, since each side will
always extract more and more Revenge when it gets its turn. France in
the 1790's took Revenge against the Aristocracy, Russia did the same in
1917 - how did that work out for either of them? Any public policies
based solely on the idea of Revenge for the past must be thrown out by
anyone who cares for their country.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:33 PM (V2Yro)
That's what I had in mind before John Wilkes Booth put a bullet in it.
for Revenge! always leads to destruction and chaos, since each side will
always extract more and more Revenge when it gets its turn. France in
the 1790's took Revenge against the Aristocracy, Russia did the same in
1917 - how did that work out for either of them? Any public policies
based solely on the idea of Revenge for the past must be thrown out by
anyone who cares for their country.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:33 PM (V2Yro)
That's what I had in mind before John Wilkes Booth put a bullet in it.
Posted by: Zombie President Abraham Lincoln at December 28, 2019 12:37 PM (5v5Zx)
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They refuse to accept the obvious reality: vagrancy results from drug addiction and mental illness, and putting vagrants up in the Four Seasons hotel will just result in the trashing of the hotel. Plus, spending more on "programs" will just attract even MORE vagrants (California already has half of all vagrants in the country, apparently.)"
I can say, from direct observation, that Texas right now only has a tiny fraction of the "Homeless" problem that California has. (and it's concentrated in the few cities that reward it, like Austin) The reason is so simple that it's almost embarrassing to point it out - anyone who is in that category now knows that they will get a much better deal in California - better weather, too - so that's where they go. Why be homeless here, where you get nothing, when you can be homeless in a spot where the local government will be fawning all over you, and letting you shoplift with impunity, to boot?
California has turned itself into the Great Homeless Magnet, and now they complain about how successful their policies have been in attracting people.
I can say, from direct observation, that Texas right now only has a tiny fraction of the "Homeless" problem that California has. (and it's concentrated in the few cities that reward it, like Austin) The reason is so simple that it's almost embarrassing to point it out - anyone who is in that category now knows that they will get a much better deal in California - better weather, too - so that's where they go. Why be homeless here, where you get nothing, when you can be homeless in a spot where the local government will be fawning all over you, and letting you shoplift with impunity, to boot?
California has turned itself into the Great Homeless Magnet, and now they complain about how successful their policies have been in attracting people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:37 PM (V2Yro)
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123 Crichton's speech to the Commonwealth Club, 2003
Posted by: barbarausa
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Thanks for that! I had not read it before.
Posted by: barbarausa
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Thanks for that! I had not read it before.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2019 12:37 PM (Y4EXg)
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Gee being a leftist is just like a license to kill...steal feel.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 28, 2019 12:38 PM (4HHmO)
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Leftists don't deny that abortion kills a baby, they know it is a legal distinction, not a moral one.
They are utterly without morals. If you hadn't noticed. The constitution guarantees "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" but only to persons.
If a baby in the womb is a person - in the legal sense - the law won't let them kill their babies. It isn't any more complicated than that.
They are utterly without morals. If you hadn't noticed. The constitution guarantees "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" but only to persons.
If a baby in the womb is a person - in the legal sense - the law won't let them kill their babies. It isn't any more complicated than that.
Posted by: Common Tater at December 28, 2019 12:39 PM (UFsY2)
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Haiku is "made in Japan"
Has no rhythm, no rhyme nor a plan
Designed to impress
Once renowned yet forgotten Empress
I think it outlived its life-span
Posted by: runner at December 28, 2019 12:28 PM (zr5Kq)
I hate to be "that guy".
But, hey, I will be.
What y'all are making is not haiku.
In this case, it's senryu.
And yes, haiku has rules.
The basics would be the syllable count and it has to be about nature or concern the seasons.
Look up Basho. He considered one of the greatest or the greatest haiku poet for a taste of what real haiku is.
However-
Carry on, senryuing.
To be haiku
Has no rhythm, no rhyme nor a plan
Designed to impress
Once renowned yet forgotten Empress
I think it outlived its life-span
Posted by: runner at December 28, 2019 12:28 PM (zr5Kq)
I hate to be "that guy".
But, hey, I will be.
What y'all are making is not haiku.
In this case, it's senryu.
And yes, haiku has rules.
The basics would be the syllable count and it has to be about nature or concern the seasons.
Look up Basho. He considered one of the greatest or the greatest haiku poet for a taste of what real haiku is.
However-
Carry on, senryuing.
To be haiku
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 12:39 PM (XGA+D)
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Haiku stole my childhood.
Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at December 28, 2019 12:39 PM (EgshT)
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Look on the bright side: at least they won't burn us heretics, because that would add even more to global warming. They could, however, bore us to death.
For my part, there are three genders: masculine, feminine, and neuter; but there are only two sexes: male and female.
The Reds insist on conflating gender with sex, the latter apparently being a naughty word.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 12:32 PM (cK+AV)
Douglas Murray makes an excellent point in his book, Madness of Crowds, saying if the transworld was really concerned about "gender" identity, it would have STARTED with those folks who are intersex. It's a not inconsiderable segment of the population, probably larger than the gender benders who SAY they're something other than their biology.
Had they started with a concern for those who are somewhere in between, they could have made this a human rights issue. But they weren't interested in that. They were only interested in LOOK AT ME, I'M SPECIAL!!
For my part, there are three genders: masculine, feminine, and neuter; but there are only two sexes: male and female.
The Reds insist on conflating gender with sex, the latter apparently being a naughty word.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 12:32 PM (cK+AV)
Douglas Murray makes an excellent point in his book, Madness of Crowds, saying if the transworld was really concerned about "gender" identity, it would have STARTED with those folks who are intersex. It's a not inconsiderable segment of the population, probably larger than the gender benders who SAY they're something other than their biology.
Had they started with a concern for those who are somewhere in between, they could have made this a human rights issue. But they weren't interested in that. They were only interested in LOOK AT ME, I'M SPECIAL!!
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:40 PM (hku12)
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 12:41 PM (o2vOl)
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Michael Crichton said that he was a doctor at a general practice, and a woman came in. The woman told him, with out any flicker of emotion, that she was coming in for some minor thing, but in the past half hour she had gone blind. This is climate change.
The hysteria is not complete, and in fact is mostly absent. It is a mcguffin to their dread that society is not being guided in a positive way, or that they themselves are useless. It is psychological, not ecological.
The hysteria is not complete, and in fact is mostly absent. It is a mcguffin to their dread that society is not being guided in a positive way, or that they themselves are useless. It is psychological, not ecological.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 28, 2019 12:41 PM (LxTcq)
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That's what I had in mind before John Wilkes Booth put a bullet in it.
Posted by: Zombie President Abraham Lincoln at December 28, 2019 12:37 PM (5v5Zx)
Very good - one of the best examples of all, of Revenge beggetting more Revenge.
Posted by: Zombie President Abraham Lincoln at December 28, 2019 12:37 PM (5v5Zx)
Very good - one of the best examples of all, of Revenge beggetting more Revenge.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:41 PM (V2Yro)
148
Years ago I found that when arguing (in the rhetorical sense) with leftists about homosexuality, it was really a proxy for Religion. I recognized that argumentation for Religion in the public sphere was a lost cause. I took different angles - whether from a purely secular public health standpoint, or even one of aesthetics - buggering guys up the ass is just pretty goddamned strange and disgusting. My point was, Religion ain't got nothin' to do with it, and it doesn't need to.
Posted by: Common Tater at December 28, 2019 12:14 PM (UFsY2)
Agreed. The visceral repugnance is much like that to, e.g., bestiality, cannibalism, or necrophilia, but if someone doesn't experience that repugnance, it cannot be conveyed in words.
My argument that does not rely on such repugnance is public health. Male homosexuality - the only kind even mentioned in the Bible, AFAIK - is a public health menace. It spreads disease like crazy, because guys will doink mud if it lies in interesting contours. According to articles in PubMed, male homosexuality is the reservoir for STDs that precludes the possibility of eradicating them. STDs are rife among male homosexuals, and spread like wildfire amongst them, and get reintroduced to the normal population through bisexuals.
Posted by: Common Tater at December 28, 2019 12:14 PM (UFsY2)
Agreed. The visceral repugnance is much like that to, e.g., bestiality, cannibalism, or necrophilia, but if someone doesn't experience that repugnance, it cannot be conveyed in words.
My argument that does not rely on such repugnance is public health. Male homosexuality - the only kind even mentioned in the Bible, AFAIK - is a public health menace. It spreads disease like crazy, because guys will doink mud if it lies in interesting contours. According to articles in PubMed, male homosexuality is the reservoir for STDs that precludes the possibility of eradicating them. STDs are rife among male homosexuals, and spread like wildfire amongst them, and get reintroduced to the normal population through bisexuals.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 12:41 PM (cK+AV)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 28, 2019 12:43 PM (aS1PU)
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The people who want to kill everyone all need to die.
Posted by: klaftern at December 28, 2019 12:43 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 12:43 PM (o2vOl)
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Skip, Michael Crichton said environmentalism was a religion longer ago than that.
Posted by: barbarausa
And he didn't kill himself either
Posted by: JT
My personal conspiracy theory is that he is still alive, and just pulled a fade - like character in State of Fear.
Posted by: barbarausa
And he didn't kill himself either
Posted by: JT
My personal conspiracy theory is that he is still alive, and just pulled a fade - like character in State of Fear.
Posted by: Jean at December 28, 2019 12:43 PM (ZrXen)
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Crichton's speech to the Commonwealth Club, 2003
Posted by: barbarausa
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Thanks for that! I had not read it before.
Posted by: Tonypete
Ya ever read any of his books ?
They're GREAT !
Posted by: barbarausa
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Thanks for that! I had not read it before.
Posted by: Tonypete
Ya ever read any of his books ?
They're GREAT !
Posted by: JT at December 28, 2019 12:44 PM (arJlL)
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And anyone who is going to look at the history of LBGTQ in this country HAS to acknowledge that it was quite convenient that there were laws on the books to keep one from ever having to argue their side's position."
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This impulse is repeated into a lot of different areas - should our current policies be based on doing what we have finally realized is the best we can do, or is it to be based on revenge for the past? This what pushes "reparations" for people who are generations removed from slavery, or "right of return" for Palestinians who have never in their lives set foot in the places they demand to "return" to.
It doesn't take many examples to show that a thirst for Revenge! always leads to destruction and chaos, since each side will always extract more and more Revenge when it gets its turn. France in the 1790's took Revenge against the Aristocracy, Russia did the same in 1917 - how did that work out for either of them? Any public policies based solely on the idea of Revenge for the past must be thrown out by anyone who cares for their country.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:33 PM (V2Yro)
That's why this time is so dangerous. When the impulse is to destroy what was before, nobody is looking particularly hard at what might be worth saving, about the past.
You're a white male hetero? To the wall with you!
So you say you discovered the vaccine for small pox?
Who cares! DOWN WITH THE PATRIARCHY! Medicine is bad, disease is good! Take that, dad.
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This impulse is repeated into a lot of different areas - should our current policies be based on doing what we have finally realized is the best we can do, or is it to be based on revenge for the past? This what pushes "reparations" for people who are generations removed from slavery, or "right of return" for Palestinians who have never in their lives set foot in the places they demand to "return" to.
It doesn't take many examples to show that a thirst for Revenge! always leads to destruction and chaos, since each side will always extract more and more Revenge when it gets its turn. France in the 1790's took Revenge against the Aristocracy, Russia did the same in 1917 - how did that work out for either of them? Any public policies based solely on the idea of Revenge for the past must be thrown out by anyone who cares for their country.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:33 PM (V2Yro)
That's why this time is so dangerous. When the impulse is to destroy what was before, nobody is looking particularly hard at what might be worth saving, about the past.
You're a white male hetero? To the wall with you!
So you say you discovered the vaccine for small pox?
Who cares! DOWN WITH THE PATRIARCHY! Medicine is bad, disease is good! Take that, dad.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:44 PM (hku12)
155
Up (where?) with the matriarchy!
Posted by: klaftern at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: JT at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (arJlL)
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All intense new religions demand Dietary Restrictions as part of the Faith; this is how the Faithful demonstrate their piety and mark themselves as separate from Unbelievers. It fosters a sense of community and of personal devotion. This is the purpose Veganism serves for the new religion.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (V2Yro)
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We see this most clearly here in California re "homelessness," i.e., "vagrancy." In the spirit of scratching where it doesn't itch, California insists that the problem is lack of housing ("affordable" housing, as they love to say, not defining "affordable," of course), and so propose spending tax money on building vagrants' apartments at top dollar ($300,000 per). Of course, this will necessitate raising taxes, but then doesn't everything?
They refuse to accept the obvious reality: vagrancy results from drug addiction and mental illness, and putting vagrants up in the Four Seasons hotel will just result in the trashing of the hotel. Plus, spending more on "programs" will just attract even MORE vagrants (California already has half of all vagrants in the country, apparently.)
But reality doesn't get a look-in. No. Let's just keep doing what we've been doing as the problem has grown increasingly fulminant. OK.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 12:29 PM (cK+AV)
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If you put these failed humans in an apartment, they'll rip out the wires and pipes, and sell them for scrap. Then buy drugs and go back to live outdoors.
"Helping the homeless" is a business. Vast amounts of wasteful government spending grants with little or no oversight. High-paying jobs in non-profit organizations. Lucrative construction contracts to build useless hobo apartments at several times the market rate.
I heard a radio interview a few weeks ago with the mayor of a medium-size California city who had coddled the homeless in his town, multiplying their numbers. His explanations for this travesty were evasive gaseous Newsome-speak, fake compassion etc. He's leaving the job of mayor to head a non-profit that will take care of the same bums he's been farming and cultivating. The new job pays more.
We see this most clearly here in California re "homelessness," i.e., "vagrancy." In the spirit of scratching where it doesn't itch, California insists that the problem is lack of housing ("affordable" housing, as they love to say, not defining "affordable," of course), and so propose spending tax money on building vagrants' apartments at top dollar ($300,000 per). Of course, this will necessitate raising taxes, but then doesn't everything?
They refuse to accept the obvious reality: vagrancy results from drug addiction and mental illness, and putting vagrants up in the Four Seasons hotel will just result in the trashing of the hotel. Plus, spending more on "programs" will just attract even MORE vagrants (California already has half of all vagrants in the country, apparently.)
But reality doesn't get a look-in. No. Let's just keep doing what we've been doing as the problem has grown increasingly fulminant. OK.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 12:29 PM (cK+AV)
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If you put these failed humans in an apartment, they'll rip out the wires and pipes, and sell them for scrap. Then buy drugs and go back to live outdoors.
"Helping the homeless" is a business. Vast amounts of wasteful government spending grants with little or no oversight. High-paying jobs in non-profit organizations. Lucrative construction contracts to build useless hobo apartments at several times the market rate.
I heard a radio interview a few weeks ago with the mayor of a medium-size California city who had coddled the homeless in his town, multiplying their numbers. His explanations for this travesty were evasive gaseous Newsome-speak, fake compassion etc. He's leaving the job of mayor to head a non-profit that will take care of the same bums he's been farming and cultivating. The new job pays more.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (t5m5e)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (oVJmc)
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It's all about Da Money.
The left can do all their silly nonsense because we are spending borrowed money on all of their ideas and programs.
Once that runs out, reality will soon become reality. Fiscally and morally bankrupt is no way to go as a nation.
I will point and laugh from the great beyond.
The left can do all their silly nonsense because we are spending borrowed money on all of their ideas and programs.
Once that runs out, reality will soon become reality. Fiscally and morally bankrupt is no way to go as a nation.
I will point and laugh from the great beyond.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 12:47 PM (o2vOl)
162
The 2nd Movement of the 3rd Brandenberg is just two chords. The tradition seems to be that, as long as you start with the first chord and end up on the 2nd, the performers can put anything they want to in between -- or nothing at all.
Posted by: Socratease at December 28, 2019 12:47 PM (2GbWn)
163
It has been said that
We don't write proper haiku
He is just that guy
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 28, 2019 12:43 PM (aS1PU)
I may be.
Still it is what it is.
And it ain't what it ain't.
We don't write proper haiku
He is just that guy
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 28, 2019 12:43 PM (aS1PU)
I may be.
Still it is what it is.
And it ain't what it ain't.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 12:47 PM (XGA+D)
164
You're welcome, TonyPete.
Jean, I do wish he had faked his death--I love that book. (I enjoy projecting various actors onto the jackass who gets eaten at the end)
Jean, I do wish he had faked his death--I love that book. (I enjoy projecting various actors onto the jackass who gets eaten at the end)
Posted by: barbarausa at December 28, 2019 12:48 PM (W7IZQ)
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I can say, from direct observation, that Texas right now only has a tiny fraction of the "Homeless" problem that California has. (and it's concentrated in the few cities that reward it, like Austin) The reason is so simple that it's almost embarrassing to point it out - anyone who is in that category now knows that they will get a much better deal in California - better weather, too - so that's where they go. Why be homeless here, where you get nothing, when you can be homeless in a spot where the local government will be fawning all over you, and letting you shoplift with impunity, to boot?
California has turned itself into the Great Homeless Magnet, and now they complain about how successful their policies have been in attracting people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:37 PM (V2Yro)
Now there you go, confusing the issue with facts and logic. Heresy!
The climate is a problem - it's too clement - but the big factor is the political, not the meteorological, climate. I've literally heard liberals say that they didn't understand why we have so many vagrants here, when we've got all these programs (!).
They remind me of a neighbor when we lived in the Midwest who started feeding raccoons from his deck. Before long he had 40 or so of them (literally) showing up, and was surprised. I was surprised that HE was surprised.
California has turned itself into the Great Homeless Magnet, and now they complain about how successful their policies have been in attracting people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:37 PM (V2Yro)
Now there you go, confusing the issue with facts and logic. Heresy!
The climate is a problem - it's too clement - but the big factor is the political, not the meteorological, climate. I've literally heard liberals say that they didn't understand why we have so many vagrants here, when we've got all these programs (!).
They remind me of a neighbor when we lived in the Midwest who started feeding raccoons from his deck. Before long he had 40 or so of them (literally) showing up, and was surprised. I was surprised that HE was surprised.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 12:49 PM (cK+AV)
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Crichton's speech to the Commonwealth Club, 2003
Posted by: barbarausa
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Thanks for that! I had not read it before.
Posted by: Tonypete
Ya ever read any of his books ?
They're GREAT !
Posted by: JT
His pulp novels from when he was in medical school are good too
Posted by: barbarausa
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Thanks for that! I had not read it before.
Posted by: Tonypete
Ya ever read any of his books ?
They're GREAT !
Posted by: JT
His pulp novels from when he was in medical school are good too
Posted by: Jean at December 28, 2019 12:49 PM (ZrXen)
167
Tubi has the TV series 'My Living Doll' available for free streaming.
Pre-Batman Julie Newmar.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (oVJmc)
And so she was!
Pre-Batman Julie Newmar.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (oVJmc)
And so she was!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2019 12:50 PM (axyOa)
168
Look up Basho
That was Moe's name , when he was with the Marx Brothers.
Posted by: JT at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (arJlL)
He and Draino were the least funny Marx Brothers.
That was Moe's name , when he was with the Marx Brothers.
Posted by: JT at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (arJlL)
He and Draino were the least funny Marx Brothers.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 12:50 PM (XGA+D)
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 12:51 PM (o2vOl)
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His explanations for this travesty were evasive gaseous Newsome-speak, fake compassion etc. He's leaving the job of mayor to head a non-profit that will take care of the same bums he's been farming and cultivating. The new job pays more.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (t5m5e)
He may have been the one who was proposing some new Crowd-Funded housing project for the homeless. I saw the proposed artists depictions of it, and I was far from the first to instantly say "Cabrini Green!!!!" The incredible arrogance of people like this Mayor includes a refusal to admit that people have looked at this problem for a long time, and that all of the "solutions" he is proposing have already been tried. Go back and look at how they all turned out!!!
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 28, 2019 12:46 PM (t5m5e)
He may have been the one who was proposing some new Crowd-Funded housing project for the homeless. I saw the proposed artists depictions of it, and I was far from the first to instantly say "Cabrini Green!!!!" The incredible arrogance of people like this Mayor includes a refusal to admit that people have looked at this problem for a long time, and that all of the "solutions" he is proposing have already been tried. Go back and look at how they all turned out!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:51 PM (V2Yro)
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Haiku Sucks - a limerick
At the risk of beginning a fight
Let me see if I'm getting this right
A verse five seven five
Some existential jive
I hear "haiku". I reply "Gesundheit!"
Haiku Sucks - a limerick
At the risk of beginning a fight
Let me see if I'm getting this right
A verse five seven five
Some existential jive
I hear "haiku". I reply "Gesundheit!"
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (m45I2)
172
"This is a theological debate". -- "The debate is no longer between faith and reason." -- "The root argument is do you think you're in control of the universe or don't you."
imo, the left at the higher levels (e.g. oligarchs, some in the shadows, Soros pretty transparent) ... at the top, they recognize the power of groups, so they build groups and fund propaganda and "causes" for the masses. The elite families marry and raise more blue bloods.
They plan infiltration of good groups (Sierra Club overtaken, GreenPeace became fully political, Catholic church infiltrated by Soviets, at least at Jesuit level?, etc.). And "charitable" foundations are huge tax free (government subsidized) power groups that mostly push "communism", for an elitist agenda.
I don't think it is really theological, and they don't think they are gods ... they think there is no God, so raw power wins -- try to win with the most toys and rich kids. Their pretense of serving some greater good is just to keep the silent majority confused and asleep.
They are "corporate raiders" that don't care about destroying American communities. It's not that they think they are gods, they just don't care about the destruction, don't care about China slaves and the pollution over there, or the insane debt that would seemingly drive US toward their "one world government".
"They" may have some loons like Tucker's guest that swore gender is a state of mind, but the real power cares about the money, and destruction of the social fabric only matters if it harms profits. They need a working and indebted public ... the sheep for them to shear, but corporate America prefers a more PC molded consumer. The Narrative and the schisms are just weapons of the elite ... "manufacturing consent" so to speak.
"This is a theological debate". -- "The debate is no longer between faith and reason." -- "The root argument is do you think you're in control of the universe or don't you."
imo, the left at the higher levels (e.g. oligarchs, some in the shadows, Soros pretty transparent) ... at the top, they recognize the power of groups, so they build groups and fund propaganda and "causes" for the masses. The elite families marry and raise more blue bloods.
They plan infiltration of good groups (Sierra Club overtaken, GreenPeace became fully political, Catholic church infiltrated by Soviets, at least at Jesuit level?, etc.). And "charitable" foundations are huge tax free (government subsidized) power groups that mostly push "communism", for an elitist agenda.
I don't think it is really theological, and they don't think they are gods ... they think there is no God, so raw power wins -- try to win with the most toys and rich kids. Their pretense of serving some greater good is just to keep the silent majority confused and asleep.
They are "corporate raiders" that don't care about destroying American communities. It's not that they think they are gods, they just don't care about the destruction, don't care about China slaves and the pollution over there, or the insane debt that would seemingly drive US toward their "one world government".
"They" may have some loons like Tucker's guest that swore gender is a state of mind, but the real power cares about the money, and destruction of the social fabric only matters if it harms profits. They need a working and indebted public ... the sheep for them to shear, but corporate America prefers a more PC molded consumer. The Narrative and the schisms are just weapons of the elite ... "manufacturing consent" so to speak.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (Cus5s)
173
I hate to be "that guy".
But, hey, I will be.
What y'all are making is not haiku.
In this case, it's senryu....
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 12:39 PM (XGA+D)
I would be ob liged
U not throw ing bad wordi cons
At yours very tru ly
But, hey, I will be.
What y'all are making is not haiku.
In this case, it's senryu....
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 12:39 PM (XGA+D)
I would be ob liged
U not throw ing bad wordi cons
At yours very tru ly
Posted by: runner at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)
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OT/
Something mildly curious. Twitter just suspended an account Trump replied to yesterday. Probably nothing.
Something mildly curious. Twitter just suspended an account Trump replied to yesterday. Probably nothing.
Posted by: Serious Cat at December 28, 2019 12:53 PM (Xqo6t)
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Re: sidebar item about the television version of Carrie. Exactly how many trans women actors are there? Or are they willing to accept any man in a dress for the role?
Posted by: N.L. Urker Philips Screwdriver of the Gods at December 28, 2019 12:53 PM (Uu+Jp)
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Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:33 PM (V2Yro)
That's what I had in mind before John Wilkes Booth put a bullet in it.
Posted by: Zombie President Abraham Lincoln at December 28, 2019 12:37 PM (5v5Zx)
Except, of course, he didn't. It's rather ironic that Lincoln is as vilified as he is. I know lots of southerners like to imagine Lincoln was a tyrant, but had he lived, their lives would have been immeasurably better off.
Lincoln was ready for reconciliation, without revenge, and Booth led to the smaller minds in his administration taking a different path. Not just as revenge for Lincoln's murder, but because they weren't of the same mindset as Lincoln.
That's what I had in mind before John Wilkes Booth put a bullet in it.
Posted by: Zombie President Abraham Lincoln at December 28, 2019 12:37 PM (5v5Zx)
Except, of course, he didn't. It's rather ironic that Lincoln is as vilified as he is. I know lots of southerners like to imagine Lincoln was a tyrant, but had he lived, their lives would have been immeasurably better off.
Lincoln was ready for reconciliation, without revenge, and Booth led to the smaller minds in his administration taking a different path. Not just as revenge for Lincoln's murder, but because they weren't of the same mindset as Lincoln.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:53 PM (hku12)
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 12:53 PM (o2vOl)
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Good on them! I replaced my years ago 'before I was
29' it was a chore. Thankfully, I was in much better shape then, it
is heavy and awkward.
Posted by: Infidel at December 28, 2019 12:19 PM (MTxDQ)
On my personal policy of "nothing is off the table for the first review of means, opportunities and procedures" the least awkward method of changing the garbage disposal is to dismount the plumbing, the fixtures to remove the sink from the countertop entirely, and mount the garbage disposal to the sink while it is upside down on the back porch in good light where you have elbow room, there is no need to hold the flashlight in your teeth, and the whole thing doesn't smell like the under-sink cabinet.
Of course, then comes the boring things like: will it go back together again, and what are my time constraints?
The added benefit to this style of thinking is that when you make proposals like that, you immediately identify all the other secretly insane people in your vicinity. (Oooh, Mikey's eyes did not bug out, I think we could have lots of fun together!!)
29' it was a chore. Thankfully, I was in much better shape then, it
is heavy and awkward.
Posted by: Infidel at December 28, 2019 12:19 PM (MTxDQ)
On my personal policy of "nothing is off the table for the first review of means, opportunities and procedures" the least awkward method of changing the garbage disposal is to dismount the plumbing, the fixtures to remove the sink from the countertop entirely, and mount the garbage disposal to the sink while it is upside down on the back porch in good light where you have elbow room, there is no need to hold the flashlight in your teeth, and the whole thing doesn't smell like the under-sink cabinet.
Of course, then comes the boring things like: will it go back together again, and what are my time constraints?
The added benefit to this style of thinking is that when you make proposals like that, you immediately identify all the other secretly insane people in your vicinity. (Oooh, Mikey's eyes did not bug out, I think we could have lots of fun together!!)
Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2019 12:53 PM (1glZx)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2019 12:54 PM (axyOa)
181
Haiku Sucks - a limerick
At the risk of beginning a fight
Let me see if I'm getting this right
A verse five seven five
Some existential jive
I hear "haiku". I reply "Gesundheit!"
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (m45I2)
Gaijin.
At the risk of beginning a fight
Let me see if I'm getting this right
A verse five seven five
Some existential jive
I hear "haiku". I reply "Gesundheit!"
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (m45I2)
Gaijin.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 28, 2019 12:55 PM (aS1PU)
182
180 LOL. [ Applauds ]
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 12:56 PM (o2vOl)
Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at December 28, 2019 12:56 PM (EgshT)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 28, 2019 12:56 PM (r+sAi)
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I don't think it is really theological, and they don't think they are gods ... they think there is no God, so raw power wins --
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (Cus5s)
That's the point. The pursuit of power IS the religion.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (Cus5s)
That's the point. The pursuit of power IS the religion.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:57 PM (hku12)
186
6 No meaning in life
The only release is death
Embrace the Reaper
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:28 AM (NWiLs)
Blue Oyster Cult ??
The only release is death
Embrace the Reaper
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:28 AM (NWiLs)
Blue Oyster Cult ??
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 28, 2019 12:58 PM (zVXtJ)
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 12:59 PM (o2vOl)
188
5 Some people will win
Most of us will always lose
We should quit the game
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:27 AM (NWiLs)
Not Yogi Berra ??
Most of us will always lose
We should quit the game
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:27 AM (NWiLs)
Not Yogi Berra ??
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 28, 2019 12:59 PM (zVXtJ)
189
My thoughts on California being a homeless magnet
1 weather
2 Leftism offering free stuff
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)
There is a fear, probably justified, that the Californica homeless are migrating to other states, because the crime and filth in Californica are just too... much.
Irony, not just a river in Egypt.
1 weather
2 Leftism offering free stuff
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)
There is a fear, probably justified, that the Californica homeless are migrating to other states, because the crime and filth in Californica are just too... much.
Irony, not just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:00 PM (hku12)
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Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (Cus5s)
I don't think its any grand conspiracy, I think it is just human nature that drives ALL 'good doing' human structures to the Left.
The idea that I will work for this group, and use its power to MAKE peoples lives better, is a Leftist ideal.
Its Conservative thought that only people themselves are responsible for their own happiness and wellbeing. That you CAN'T make someone else happy (although you can set conditions to make them miserable).
Thus, the people who do think they can use the power of an institution to 'make things better' eventually take over said institution.
Now, Reality and hard times CAN slap them back to reality, for awhile, but, eventually the same trend will happen again.
I don't think its any grand conspiracy, I think it is just human nature that drives ALL 'good doing' human structures to the Left.
The idea that I will work for this group, and use its power to MAKE peoples lives better, is a Leftist ideal.
Its Conservative thought that only people themselves are responsible for their own happiness and wellbeing. That you CAN'T make someone else happy (although you can set conditions to make them miserable).
Thus, the people who do think they can use the power of an institution to 'make things better' eventually take over said institution.
Now, Reality and hard times CAN slap them back to reality, for awhile, but, eventually the same trend will happen again.
Posted by: Don Q at December 28, 2019 01:01 PM (NgKpN)
191
On my personal policy of "nothing is off the table for the first review of means, opportunities and procedures" the least awkward method of changing the garbage disposal is to dismount the plumbing, the fixtures to remove the sink from the countertop entirely,
Not so easy when it's a ceramic lined iron sink that's built into the tile countertop.
Not so easy when it's a ceramic lined iron sink that's built into the tile countertop.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 01:01 PM (V2Yro)
Posted by: runner at December 28, 2019 01:01 PM (zr5Kq)
193
Yogi Berra debates Feynman. Film at ...
Posted by: klaftern at December 28, 2019 01:01 PM (RuIsu)
194
Illiniwek, I think you're correct re the drivers and funders of it all; they are not true believers in anything but their own power and control.
But I do believe it is marketed to NPCs as religion, and they practice it as such, because it is a hard-wired human need to have something to believe in.
Anything can be practiced as a religion, and most leftist causes are.
But I do believe it is marketed to NPCs as religion, and they practice it as such, because it is a hard-wired human need to have something to believe in.
Anything can be practiced as a religion, and most leftist causes are.
Posted by: barbarausa at December 28, 2019 01:01 PM (W7IZQ)
195
He may have been the one who was proposing some new Crowd-Funded housing project for the homeless. I saw the proposed artists depictions of it, and I was far from the first to instantly say "Cabrini Green!!!!" The incredible arrogance of people like this Mayor includes a refusal to admit that people have looked at this problem for a long time, and that all of the "solutions" he is proposing have already been tried. Go back and look at how they all turned out!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:51 PM (V2Yro)
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The ex-mayor is heading a local non-profit that already exists in his town. The bums it 'assists' are literally the same ones he lured to his city.
The $3 billion turbo-derelict spaceport project will probably never happen. Either way, it's all about the money. The people in the vagrant-enabling industry get paid. Nicely. They don't care that bums are dying in the street, or that deranged bums are ruining the quality of life for millions, or that medieval diseases are reappearing. No, they got theirs.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:51 PM (V2Yro)
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The ex-mayor is heading a local non-profit that already exists in his town. The bums it 'assists' are literally the same ones he lured to his city.
The $3 billion turbo-derelict spaceport project will probably never happen. Either way, it's all about the money. The people in the vagrant-enabling industry get paid. Nicely. They don't care that bums are dying in the street, or that deranged bums are ruining the quality of life for millions, or that medieval diseases are reappearing. No, they got theirs.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 28, 2019 01:01 PM (t5m5e)
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 01:02 PM (o2vOl)
197
Haiku Isn't Poetry - a limerick
Haiku is a big waste of time
If uou ask me it ain't worth a dime
'Cause verses? I know 'em
And how can it be a poem
When the darn things don't even rhyme?
Haiku Isn't Poetry - a limerick
Haiku is a big waste of time
If uou ask me it ain't worth a dime
'Cause verses? I know 'em
And how can it be a poem
When the darn things don't even rhyme?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:02 PM (m45I2)
198
189 My thoughts on California being a homeless magnet
1 weather
2 Leftism offering free stuff
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)
There is a fear, probably justified, that the Californica homeless are migrating to other states, because the crime and filth in Californica are just too... much.
Irony, not just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:00 PM (hku12)
I don't see any decrease in the homeless here in California. In fact, I think its still growing.
More camps locally than ever before.
And LESS Police running them off of property.
1 weather
2 Leftism offering free stuff
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)
There is a fear, probably justified, that the Californica homeless are migrating to other states, because the crime and filth in Californica are just too... much.
Irony, not just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:00 PM (hku12)
I don't see any decrease in the homeless here in California. In fact, I think its still growing.
More camps locally than ever before.
And LESS Police running them off of property.
Posted by: Don Q at December 28, 2019 01:03 PM (NgKpN)
199
Lincoln was ready for reconciliation, without
revenge, and Booth led to the smaller minds in his administration taking
a different path. Not just as revenge for Lincoln's murder, but
because they weren't of the same mindset as Lincoln.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:53 PM (hku12)
That's what I was meaning.
revenge, and Booth led to the smaller minds in his administration taking
a different path. Not just as revenge for Lincoln's murder, but
because they weren't of the same mindset as Lincoln.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:53 PM (hku12)
That's what I was meaning.
Posted by: Zombie President Abraham Lincoln at December 28, 2019 01:03 PM (5v5Zx)
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"However, conservatives, and their politicians, have taken the shortcut.
They say "God doesn't like it." Which means anyone who doesn't agree
with your initial premise, that indeed there IS a god, they aren't going
to be persuaded."
It honestly doesn't matter what argument they're going with. The primary drive for abortion is split between people who will cling to any excuse to avoid personal responsibility, overlapped a bit with people who deliberately want to keep the population of specific groups in check.
The scale of the evil that we're facing is such that I'm not going to go out of my way to prevent my enemies from killing their own children until such time that they've actually been defeated. Too much is at stake to interrupt them while they're fucking up, and platitudes about the innocence of children won't change what they intend to do to MY children if they win.
They say "God doesn't like it." Which means anyone who doesn't agree
with your initial premise, that indeed there IS a god, they aren't going
to be persuaded."
It honestly doesn't matter what argument they're going with. The primary drive for abortion is split between people who will cling to any excuse to avoid personal responsibility, overlapped a bit with people who deliberately want to keep the population of specific groups in check.
The scale of the evil that we're facing is such that I'm not going to go out of my way to prevent my enemies from killing their own children until such time that they've actually been defeated. Too much is at stake to interrupt them while they're fucking up, and platitudes about the innocence of children won't change what they intend to do to MY children if they win.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 28, 2019 01:03 PM (67XdO)
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 01:04 PM (o2vOl)
Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at December 28, 2019 01:04 PM (EgshT)
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Its an easy dumpon crappy Californiaask San Francisco.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 28, 2019 01:04 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: 40 miles north at December 28, 2019 01:05 PM (o2vOl)
Posted by: Hillary loves Haiku at December 28, 2019 01:05 PM (v089B)
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Not so easy when it's a ceramic lined iron sink that's built into the tile countertop.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 01:01 PM (V2Yro)
I didn't say easiest. I said "least awkward"
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 01:01 PM (V2Yro)
I didn't say easiest. I said "least awkward"
Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2019 01:05 PM (1glZx)
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Werner Wilhelm is shipping his homeless out.
Posted by: Jean at December 28, 2019 01:05 PM (B7KlG)
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Garden Nood is up
Posted by: Skip, the guy who says NOOD at December 28, 2019 01:05 PM (ZCEU2)
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There is a fear, probably justified, that the Californica homeless are migrating to other states, because the crime and filth in Californica are just too... much.
Irony, not just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:00 PM (hku12)
I suspect that in reality, those who are stuck paying the bills are the ones migrating out. The homeless here literally have no place better to go than where they are right now. Where else can you walk into any convenience store and take anything you want with no consequences?
Irony, not just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:00 PM (hku12)
I suspect that in reality, those who are stuck paying the bills are the ones migrating out. The homeless here literally have no place better to go than where they are right now. Where else can you walk into any convenience store and take anything you want with no consequences?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 01:06 PM (V2Yro)
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My thoughts on California being a homeless magnet
1 weather
2 Leftism offering free stuff
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)
It's no accident that Seattle has a huge Coats For The Homeless program.
1 weather
2 Leftism offering free stuff
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)
It's no accident that Seattle has a huge Coats For The Homeless program.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2019 01:06 PM (axyOa)
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Arrrgh, I hate the kidnapped line returns.
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Its an easy dump
on crappy California
ask San Francisco.
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Its an easy dump
on crappy California
ask San Francisco.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 28, 2019 01:06 PM (r+sAi)
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There is a fear, probably justified, that the Californica homeless are migrating to other states, because the crime and filth in Californica are just too... much.
Irony, not just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:00 PM (hku12)
I don't see any decrease in the homeless here in California. In fact, I think its still growing.
More camps locally than ever before.
And LESS Police running them off of property.
Posted by: Don Q at December 28, 2019 01:03 PM (NgKpN)
It might not be lessening there, but it is definitely spreading.
Irony, not just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:00 PM (hku12)
I don't see any decrease in the homeless here in California. In fact, I think its still growing.
More camps locally than ever before.
And LESS Police running them off of property.
Posted by: Don Q at December 28, 2019 01:03 PM (NgKpN)
It might not be lessening there, but it is definitely spreading.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:06 PM (hku12)
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Haiku and limericks are but pale imitations of the true master's poetic format: Burma Shave.
Posted by: pep at December 28, 2019 01:07 PM (T6t7i)
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Okay. I'll leave you to your haiku. Have fun storming the castle.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:07 PM (m45I2)
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Where else can you walk into any convenience store and take anything you want with no consequences?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 01:06 PM (V2Yro)
Oregon, probably. And Washington. And Nevada and Arizona and Colorado and.....
People wear out their welcome sometimes. Individuals. So they go elsewhere, looking for something different that's pretty much the same.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 01:06 PM (V2Yro)
Oregon, probably. And Washington. And Nevada and Arizona and Colorado and.....
People wear out their welcome sometimes. Individuals. So they go elsewhere, looking for something different that's pretty much the same.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:08 PM (hku12)
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It might not be lessening there, but it is definitely spreading.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:06 PM (hku12)
Social diseases usually do.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:06 PM (hku12)
Social diseases usually do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 01:08 PM (V2Yro)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 28, 2019 01:08 PM (+y/Ru)
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To rhyme or not to rhyme
Is the eternal question sublime
Revelation awaits those who ponder
The truth of said wonder
But who has the time ?
Is the eternal question sublime
Revelation awaits those who ponder
The truth of said wonder
But who has the time ?
Posted by: runner at December 28, 2019 01:09 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Epstein loves Haiku at December 28, 2019 01:11 PM (v089B)
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Lincoln was ready for reconciliation, without
revenge, and Booth led to the smaller minds in his administration taking a different path. Not just as revenge for Lincoln's murder, but because they weren't of the same mindset as Lincoln.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:53 PM (hku12)
That's what I was meaning.
Posted by: Zombie President Abraham Lincoln at December 28, 2019 01:03 PM (5v5Zx)
Sorry, I misunderstood, I thought you were saying the opposite, that Lincoln was in the same category as Lenin and the french revolutionaries.
revenge, and Booth led to the smaller minds in his administration taking a different path. Not just as revenge for Lincoln's murder, but because they weren't of the same mindset as Lincoln.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 12:53 PM (hku12)
That's what I was meaning.
Posted by: Zombie President Abraham Lincoln at December 28, 2019 01:03 PM (5v5Zx)
Sorry, I misunderstood, I thought you were saying the opposite, that Lincoln was in the same category as Lenin and the french revolutionaries.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2019 01:13 PM (hku12)
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He may have been the one who was proposing some new Crowd-Funded housing project for the homeless. I saw the proposed artists depictions of it, and I was far from the first to instantly say "Cabrini Green!!!!" The incredible arrogance of people like this Mayor includes a refusal to admit that people have looked at this problem for a long time, and that all of the "solutions" he is proposing have already been tried. Go back and look at how they all turned out!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:51 PM (V2Yro)
Memo to liberals: not every problem can be solved with money. In fact, a problem that can be solved with money isn't really a very big problem. Problems of the soul are a big problem that cannot be solved with money.
Second memo to liberals: sometimes the options available are not good and bad, but bad and worse. To point out that an option is bad does not necessarily imply that the contrary option is good.
I denounce myself, of course.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2019 12:51 PM (V2Yro)
Memo to liberals: not every problem can be solved with money. In fact, a problem that can be solved with money isn't really a very big problem. Problems of the soul are a big problem that cannot be solved with money.
Second memo to liberals: sometimes the options available are not good and bad, but bad and worse. To point out that an option is bad does not necessarily imply that the contrary option is good.
I denounce myself, of course.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 01:13 PM (cK+AV)
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My thoughts on California being a homeless magnet
1 weather
2 Leftism offering free stuff
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)
You got it in one.
1 weather
2 Leftism offering free stuff
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)
You got it in one.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 01:15 PM (cK+AV)
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I would be ob liged
U not throw ing bad wordi cons
At yours very tru ly
Posted by: runner at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (zr5Kq)
Fiiiiiiiiiiine.
But, man, is that some crazy free jazz-ku!
U not throw ing bad wordi cons
At yours very tru ly
Posted by: runner at December 28, 2019 12:52 PM (zr5Kq)
Fiiiiiiiiiiine.
But, man, is that some crazy free jazz-ku!
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 01:17 PM (XGA+D)
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*reads over on Legal Insurrection*
Extinction Rebellion protests new Star Wars movie.
A couple of comments for the person dressed up as Leia. Dude if you going to crossplay, do it right. Leia is the wrong character for you since you are taller than Obi-wan Epstein there. And Leia has bewbs... eat more soy!
Extinction Rebellion protests new Star Wars movie.
A couple of comments for the person dressed up as Leia. Dude if you going to crossplay, do it right. Leia is the wrong character for you since you are taller than Obi-wan Epstein there. And Leia has bewbs... eat more soy!
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2019 01:20 PM (Dzs5s)
Posted by: Brennan loves Haiku at December 28, 2019 01:20 PM (v089B)
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19 Bad boys get the poon
Though girls claim they want nice guys
Nice guys don't get shit
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They want a bad boy that they can tame. See any Harleqin romance. That's because of their control-freak nature.
This explains horse crazy young girls. They like being in control of a big strong beast.
Though girls claim they want nice guys
Nice guys don't get shit
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They want a bad boy that they can tame. See any Harleqin romance. That's because of their control-freak nature.
This explains horse crazy young girls. They like being in control of a big strong beast.
Posted by: Vlad the impaler,whittling away like mad at December 28, 2019 01:21 PM (aVAPf)
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 01:22 PM (ZCEU2)
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Jay, you speak common sense which is double plus ungood. Why next you will oppose the council flats with built in threshing blades.
- Libtards everywhere.
- Libtards everywhere.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2019 01:23 PM (Dzs5s)
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"The root argument is do you think you're in control of the universe or don't you."
Or do you think you SHOULD be?
Or do you think you SHOULD be?
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 28, 2019 01:23 PM (H8QX8)
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19 Bad boys get the poon
Though girls claim they want nice guys
Nice guys don't get shit
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Guys are the opposite. They claim they want big tits, but they'll take anything that comes along....
Though girls claim they want nice guys
Nice guys don't get shit
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Guys are the opposite. They claim they want big tits, but they'll take anything that comes along....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2019 01:25 PM (CqE5x)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 28, 2019 01:26 PM (Z+IKu)
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Doesn't this kinda prove the point?
Nine wounded in ambush while filming a rap music video in Houston.
Nine wounded in ambush while filming a rap music video in Houston.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2019 01:27 PM (Dzs5s)
Posted by: Nailer loves Haiku at December 28, 2019 01:28 PM (v089B)
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And yeah two died in the ambush.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2019 01:28 PM (Dzs5s)
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Nadler
Posted by: Nadler loves Haiku at December 28, 2019 01:28 PM (v089B)
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No word if any of them were turning their life around.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2019 01:28 PM (Dzs5s)
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Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 01:22 PM (ZCEU2)
*pours beer thru usb port*
Enjoy. I'm going to shovel snow and then have soup.
*pours beer thru usb port*
Enjoy. I'm going to shovel snow and then have soup.
Posted by: Infidel at December 28, 2019 01:28 PM (MTxDQ)
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Most of Michael Crichtons novels have been made into movies. State of Fear is an exception. I wonder why?
It's about eco terrorrist true believers who answer What Would Jesus Do? It even has an appendix refuting CAGW. 2004 so Crichton was prescient
It's about eco terrorrist true believers who answer What Would Jesus Do? It even has an appendix refuting CAGW. 2004 so Crichton was prescient
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 01:28 PM (DTOA0)
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State of Fear was partially read into the congressional record as part of the eco-hearing nonsense some years back, which really pissed off all the right people.
The wiki article on the book is part of a fairly constant edit war.
I doubt any major studio will ever make a movie of it as is--which true blue eco warrior wants to be Ted the cannibal meal?
The wiki article on the book is part of a fairly constant edit war.
I doubt any major studio will ever make a movie of it as is--which true blue eco warrior wants to be Ted the cannibal meal?
Posted by: barbarausa at December 28, 2019 01:32 PM (W7IZQ)
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An example (IMO) is climate change. If they didn't really believe they are god they would have no fantasies that they could control the weather. And even if they don't really believe they could change the weather, an even more (to them) important result is making everybody else (us proles) believe they could control the weather.
Posted by: Chillin the most at December 28, 2019 01:34 PM (lonOK)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2019 01:34 PM (Dzs5s)
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I am concerned that we will lose browsing capabilities -- similar to card catalogues.
Anyway, University of North Texas has a great Vivaldi Gloria. Who knew that they had an original instrument group.
I really like the baroque groups with the rougher sounds.
Anyway, University of North Texas has a great Vivaldi Gloria. Who knew that they had an original instrument group.
I really like the baroque groups with the rougher sounds.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 28, 2019 01:35 PM (MIKMs)
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238 Most of Michael Crichtons novels have been made into movies. State of Fear is an exception. I wonder why
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The best scene in State of Fear was when the Martin Sheen charachter was eaten alive by cannibals (no kidding).
I laughed and laughed.
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The best scene in State of Fear was when the Martin Sheen charachter was eaten alive by cannibals (no kidding).
I laughed and laughed.
Posted by: Vlad the impaler,whittling away like mad at December 28, 2019 01:37 PM (aVAPf)
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"That's the point. The pursuit of power IS the religion." Posted by: BurtTC
Sure, in a sense ... in that doing something "religiously" is being faithful to the group, as opposed to belief in a higher power that has designed a distinction between good and evil.
From my "most people are inherently good" perspective ... the corrupt and more maniacal elitist (e.g. Soros) sees the power of appealing to the greater good, (green groups, minority rights, help for the poor, "open" society/borders) ... but they truly want to destroy Christianity and America, and make money off the process. So they infiltrate and degrade from within ... whether governments or churches or Boy Scouts or Christian Bakers (participate in my gay wedding, or go bankrupt).
Some just care about profits, some engage in willful destruction of our heritage. Homeless people also can be pretty evil, but they don't have such power over us (until Soros AGs give them shoplifting rights)
Sure, in a sense ... in that doing something "religiously" is being faithful to the group, as opposed to belief in a higher power that has designed a distinction between good and evil.
From my "most people are inherently good" perspective ... the corrupt and more maniacal elitist (e.g. Soros) sees the power of appealing to the greater good, (green groups, minority rights, help for the poor, "open" society/borders) ... but they truly want to destroy Christianity and America, and make money off the process. So they infiltrate and degrade from within ... whether governments or churches or Boy Scouts or Christian Bakers (participate in my gay wedding, or go bankrupt).
Some just care about profits, some engage in willful destruction of our heritage. Homeless people also can be pretty evil, but they don't have such power over us (until Soros AGs give them shoplifting rights)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 01:37 PM (Cus5s)
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You noticed no one wanted to eat Charlie Sheen did you....
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2019 01:37 PM (Dzs5s)
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If they didn't really believe they are god they would have no fantasies that they could control the weather.
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I think there are some who view science as a form of religion, similar to the Prosperity Theology folks. They think that science can (and must) conform to their desires. My brother is in this category, loves to argue via appeal to 'authority' and the 'science is settled'. And if the science of climate change is settled, the answer must lie with science.
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I think there are some who view science as a form of religion, similar to the Prosperity Theology folks. They think that science can (and must) conform to their desires. My brother is in this category, loves to argue via appeal to 'authority' and the 'science is settled'. And if the science of climate change is settled, the answer must lie with science.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:40 PM (m45I2)
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245 You noticed no one wanted to eat Charlie Sheen did you....
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Imagine the aftermath.
In comparison kuru would be a walk in the park.
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Imagine the aftermath.
In comparison kuru would be a walk in the park.
Posted by: Vlad the impaler,whittling away like mad at December 28, 2019 01:42 PM (aVAPf)
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Phrased that poorly. If "settled" science has defined the problem (AGW), then science will be able to "fix" the problem.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:42 PM (m45I2)
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:44 PM (m45I2)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2019 01:44 PM (Dzs5s)
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BTW- thank you Kris for these Saturday threads. Often have some thought-provoking discussions. And a Happy New Year to you.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:45 PM (m45I2)
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"Settled law" is used by lawyers to describe when issues of interpretation have been fought over so that precedent has settled any doubt.
Funny how it's been morphed into "settled science".
Funny how it's been morphed into "settled science".
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 01:46 PM (DTOA0)
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Funny how it's been morphed into "settled science".
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Yeah. From a tool that relies on skepticism they have redefined it into an entity that relies on faith.
Funny how it's been morphed into "settled science".
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Yeah. From a tool that relies on skepticism they have redefined it into an entity that relies on faith.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:48 PM (m45I2)
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Wonder what it would sound like with some walking-tempo jazz or something swapped into the middle of the concerto? Got any other ideas?
2:32 bass solo by Chris Wolstenholme
2:32 bass solo by Chris Wolstenholme
Posted by: Sock Monkey...living in the hinterlands at December 28, 2019 01:53 PM (7sZfO)
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Saigon Dick Blumenthal says he's talked to five to ten Senate collleagues who want to break ranks
"Five to ten". Heh. He can't even lie well
Schiff is a lot smoother, no?
"Five to ten". Heh. He can't even lie well
Schiff is a lot smoother, no?
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 01:54 PM (DTOA0)
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Funny how it's been morphed into "settled science".
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Yeah. From a tool that relies on skepticism they have redefined it into an entity that relies on faith.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:48 PM (m45I2)
There is no settled science. None. There are only scientific concepts that have yet to be falsified.
Conservation of energy is a bedrock of modern physics. But then, so was conservation of parity, and it's now gone. Poof! One experiment, in 1956, and adios, conservation of parity.
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Yeah. From a tool that relies on skepticism they have redefined it into an entity that relies on faith.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:48 PM (m45I2)
There is no settled science. None. There are only scientific concepts that have yet to be falsified.
Conservation of energy is a bedrock of modern physics. But then, so was conservation of parity, and it's now gone. Poof! One experiment, in 1956, and adios, conservation of parity.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 01:54 PM (cK+AV)
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Funny how it's been morphed into "settled science".
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Yeah. From a tool that relies on skepticism they have redefined it into an entity that relies on faith.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:48 PM (m45I2)
Well, the appeal to authority is an incredibly powerful if badly logically flawed argument.
Well, says the AGW-fan, all the experts say CO2 causes global warming/climate change.
It must be right.
This kinda plugs into the early discussion on this thread about Biblical authority and gays.
If that authority is rejected as false, how can you use it to argue and convince someone who rejects it.
If that authority is absolutely true based on authority, how can someone argue you away from that authority.
The Left is always smart in it's use of "appeal to authority" even when the authorities used are provably wrong.
So, yeah, religion.
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Yeah. From a tool that relies on skepticism they have redefined it into an entity that relies on faith.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 01:48 PM (m45I2)
Well, the appeal to authority is an incredibly powerful if badly logically flawed argument.
Well, says the AGW-fan, all the experts say CO2 causes global warming/climate change.
It must be right.
This kinda plugs into the early discussion on this thread about Biblical authority and gays.
If that authority is rejected as false, how can you use it to argue and convince someone who rejects it.
If that authority is absolutely true based on authority, how can someone argue you away from that authority.
The Left is always smart in it's use of "appeal to authority" even when the authorities used are provably wrong.
So, yeah, religion.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 01:55 PM (XGA+D)
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Only Clint Eastwood would have the balls to film State of Fear.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2019 01:55 PM (CqE5x)
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Saigon Dick Blumenthal says he's talked to five to ten Senate collleagues who want to break ranks
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 01:54 PM (DTOA0)
Maybe he meant five to ten Democrat Senators. We can only hope.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 01:54 PM (DTOA0)
Maybe he meant five to ten Democrat Senators. We can only hope.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 01:56 PM (cK+AV)
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Got to get out, won't see a day like this until April
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 01:56 PM (ZCEU2)
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"an even more (to them) important result is making everybody else (us proles) believe they could control the weather."
to me, it is more the Orwellian view ... they want to force you to "believe/say" 2+2=5. If you don't they will punish you (fire you, make sure you go no where in academia).
At the end I guess Winston really loved Big Brother. But I think the forcing people to confess to crazy things, or face legal consequences, is a power play, not a belief thing. "Admit" trans are whatever they say, call them the proper pronoun, or go to jail. Confess to you white privilege (same as White Nazi confession for them), or get punched.
to me, it is more the Orwellian view ... they want to force you to "believe/say" 2+2=5. If you don't they will punish you (fire you, make sure you go no where in academia).
At the end I guess Winston really loved Big Brother. But I think the forcing people to confess to crazy things, or face legal consequences, is a power play, not a belief thing. "Admit" trans are whatever they say, call them the proper pronoun, or go to jail. Confess to you white privilege (same as White Nazi confession for them), or get punched.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 01:58 PM (Cus5s)
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Whenever in the past my Faith in God wobbled, I always remember the absolute bullshit that people who don't have Faith in God put whatever faith they do have in--things like horoscopes and mortal men and environmentalism....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2019 01:58 PM (CqE5x)
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You ever put bare feet on the road on a hot summers day.
My thesis is that all the asphalt we've laid down in the last century has had more effect than man made CO2.
Where's my Oscar and Nobel Prize?
My thesis is that all the asphalt we've laid down in the last century has had more effect than man made CO2.
Where's my Oscar and Nobel Prize?
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:00 PM (DTOA0)
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Saigon Dick Blumenthal says he's talked to five to ten Senate collleagues who want to break ranks
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 01:54 PM (DTOA0)
What a fucking liar.
Even Mitt--and believe me I know Mitt--won't vote for impeachment.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 01:54 PM (DTOA0)
What a fucking liar.
Even Mitt--and believe me I know Mitt--won't vote for impeachment.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2019 02:00 PM (CqE5x)
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You ever put bare feet on the road on a hot summers day.
My thesis is that all the asphalt we've laid down in the last century has had more effect than man made CO2.
Where's my Oscar and Nobel Prize?
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:00 PM (DTOA0)
Yeah but, WHO laid all that asphalt down? Men from Mars?
My thesis is that all the asphalt we've laid down in the last century has had more effect than man made CO2.
Where's my Oscar and Nobel Prize?
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:00 PM (DTOA0)
Yeah but, WHO laid all that asphalt down? Men from Mars?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2019 02:01 PM (CqE5x)
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250 In comparison kuru would be a walk in the park.
Just makes you shiver thinking about it.
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Heh
Just makes you shiver thinking about it.
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Heh
Posted by: Vlad the impaler,whittling away like mad at December 28, 2019 02:03 PM (aVAPf)
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Aim is to have a Schiff Show in the Senate because McConnell can't get 51 votes for the rules he wants.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:04 PM (DTOA0)
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Aim is to have a Schiff Show in the Senate because McConnell can't get 51 votes for the rules he wants.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:04 PM (DTOA0)
Pelosi and Schiff have no say in how the Senate holds the trial.
They would be fools to hold a "real" trial. They'd be walking into Trump's trap.
McConnell will get what he wants.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:04 PM (DTOA0)
Pelosi and Schiff have no say in how the Senate holds the trial.
They would be fools to hold a "real" trial. They'd be walking into Trump's trap.
McConnell will get what he wants.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 28, 2019 02:07 PM (CqE5x)
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You ever put bare feet on the road on a hot summers day.
My thesis is that all the asphalt we've laid down in the last century has had more effect than man made CO2.
Where's my Oscar and Nobel Prize?
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:00 PM (DTOA0)
You need to write a book.
Call it "The Asphalt Apocalypse" and fill it with scary graphs and scary projections and, this is key, hatred of the oil and coal companies and their nasty collusion to destroy the world with asphalt.
That makes you "The authority" that the Left always needs and they can quote your book.
Riches await you!
My thesis is that all the asphalt we've laid down in the last century has had more effect than man made CO2.
Where's my Oscar and Nobel Prize?
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:00 PM (DTOA0)
You need to write a book.
Call it "The Asphalt Apocalypse" and fill it with scary graphs and scary projections and, this is key, hatred of the oil and coal companies and their nasty collusion to destroy the world with asphalt.
That makes you "The authority" that the Left always needs and they can quote your book.
Riches await you!
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 02:08 PM (XGA+D)
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Oops! I meant KT, not Kris. Mea culpa.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 28, 2019 02:13 PM (m45I2)
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He may have been the one who was proposing some new Crowd-Funded housing project for the homeless. I saw the proposed artists depictions of it, and I was far from the first to instantly say "Cabrini Green!!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo
Heh. I thought of Pruitt-Igoe.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Heh. I thought of Pruitt-Igoe.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 28, 2019 02:15 PM (Dhht7)
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This is cool.
Betelgeuse may go super-nova:
https://www.sciencealert.com/betelgeuse-looks-
fainter-than-usual-and-we-re-all-hoping-this-star-is-about-to-pop
(remove extra spaces)
And we're far enough away from the 50 light year radiation kill zone to enjoy the show if it happens.
I'd like to see a sun super-nova.
Just not ours, thank you very much.
Betelgeuse may go super-nova:
https://www.sciencealert.com/betelgeuse-looks-
fainter-than-usual-and-we-re-all-hoping-this-star-is-about-to-pop
(remove extra spaces)
And we're far enough away from the 50 light year radiation kill zone to enjoy the show if it happens.
I'd like to see a sun super-nova.
Just not ours, thank you very much.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 02:18 PM (XGA+D)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 28, 2019 02:20 PM (Z+IKu)
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Pelosi and Schiff have no say in how the Senate holds the trial.
Apparently they do. Otherwise, the trial would be set.
Pelosi and Schiff have no say in how the Senate holds the trial.
Apparently they do. Otherwise, the trial would be set.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 28, 2019 02:28 PM (ehe01)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at December 28, 2019 02:29 PM (ehe01)
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""The debate is no longer between faith and reason."
Maybe I'm being too persnickety, but imo there is reason behind faith. It is not blind faith ... a Bible verse is "faith comes by hearing the word of God", which lays out well reasoned "argument".
Nature alone may not be enough to instill Biblical "faith", and yet Paul said the Gentiles had the word written in their heart, doing by nature the things contained in the law". So marriage and children is a natural law (so to speak) ... while the norm that a trans can declare himself an opposite sex, and "any sex is good sex, take what you can get" is actually not reasonable nor aligned with any real "faith", but is closer to insanity.
Christian Faith is well reasoned. Leftist beliefs in commie Utopia are "faith" only in a degraded "modern" use of the word --"blind acceptance in the face of reality". There is plenty of evidence that their communism is really murder, totalitarianism, destruction. "We'll do it right this time" fails to adjust to the realities of the "human condition", for which our founders invented the separation of powers and bill of individual rights.
Maybe I'm being too persnickety, but imo there is reason behind faith. It is not blind faith ... a Bible verse is "faith comes by hearing the word of God", which lays out well reasoned "argument".
Nature alone may not be enough to instill Biblical "faith", and yet Paul said the Gentiles had the word written in their heart, doing by nature the things contained in the law". So marriage and children is a natural law (so to speak) ... while the norm that a trans can declare himself an opposite sex, and "any sex is good sex, take what you can get" is actually not reasonable nor aligned with any real "faith", but is closer to insanity.
Christian Faith is well reasoned. Leftist beliefs in commie Utopia are "faith" only in a degraded "modern" use of the word --"blind acceptance in the face of reality". There is plenty of evidence that their communism is really murder, totalitarianism, destruction. "We'll do it right this time" fails to adjust to the realities of the "human condition", for which our founders invented the separation of powers and bill of individual rights.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 02:29 PM (Cus5s)
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Admonitions against homosexuality predate Christianity in Judaism, or Old Testament teachings.
Posted by: navybrat, at large at December 28, 2019 02:38 PM (w7KSn)
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"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments."
There is not a word in the Constiution that the Left doesn't want to undermine.
There is not a word in the Constiution that the Left doesn't want to undermine.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:39 PM (HbRiJ)
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Up the creekWith no steering wheelSand makes me itch
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 28, 2019 02:41 PM (pw+jk)
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"I think there are some who view science as a form of religion ..." Muldoon
the keto diet videos I watch, some have real science, as far as I can tell. They lament the "medical community's" resistance to change in the face of evidence, especially on the standard American diet that seems to make people fat, and diabetic.
imo it is not a pure science question, it is inertia. Changing a system is hard ... tradition is much easier. And there is probably some Big Pharma influence that is monetary, but advertised in almost religious fashion. (super pills that will save your soul)
the keto diet videos I watch, some have real science, as far as I can tell. They lament the "medical community's" resistance to change in the face of evidence, especially on the standard American diet that seems to make people fat, and diabetic.
imo it is not a pure science question, it is inertia. Changing a system is hard ... tradition is much easier. And there is probably some Big Pharma influence that is monetary, but advertised in almost religious fashion. (super pills that will save your soul)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2019 02:42 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 28, 2019 02:42 PM (pw+jk)
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"Faith and reason are mutually reinforcing."
An article from the Hillsdale College "Imprimis" magazine written by Justice Clarence Thomas:
https://tinyurl.com/uwfsa4n
An article from the Hillsdale College "Imprimis" magazine written by Justice Clarence Thomas:
https://tinyurl.com/uwfsa4n
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2019 02:45 PM (WI7YS)
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:46 PM (HbRiJ)
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Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice.
Nothing happened. According to Wikipedia no one can decide if betelgeuse means female arm pit, or something.
Nothing happened. According to Wikipedia no one can decide if betelgeuse means female arm pit, or something.
Posted by: piratepatch at December 28, 2019 02:47 PM (taXNc)
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 28, 2019 02:49 PM (HbRiJ)
Posted by: KT at December 28, 2019 02:58 PM (BVQ+1)
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33
On a haiku roll
But haters will always hate
Don't suppress the art
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM
Ate a sushi roll
But stomach's not super thrilled
Don't suppress the fart
On a haiku roll
But haters will always hate
Don't suppress the art
Posted by: Insomniac at December 28, 2019 11:46 AM
Ate a sushi roll
But stomach's not super thrilled
Don't suppress the fart
Posted by: TheHoser at December 28, 2019 03:05 PM (IDjUx)
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Call it "The Asphalt Apocalypse" and fill it with scary graphs and scary projections and, this is key, hatred of the oil and coal companies and their nasty collusion to destroy the world with asphalt.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 02:08 PM (XGA+D)
#BlackRoadsMatter!
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2019 02:08 PM (XGA+D)
#BlackRoadsMatter!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2019 03:09 PM (cK+AV)
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no articles of impeachment? then the Senate votes that the whole process is null and void, and proclaims POTUS to be innocent of all charges and allegations.
F them.
F them.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 28, 2019 03:12 PM (D75ha)
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if your "science" is settled, it isn't science.
science is never settled, just built on, reexamined, and expanded.
science is never settled, just built on, reexamined, and expanded.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 28, 2019 03:17 PM (D75ha)
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Setteled science?
Always go with what God says in his word. You'll never be proven wrong. Hasn't happened yet. Has happened the other day around.
But, but,,, billions and billions of years.
Really?
So, how is it that outer planets in our solar system are STILL giving off more heat than they take in?
Or the strength of the magnetic fields of Uranus and Neptune as measured by Voyager II?
Or the longest a comet could possibly survive being 100K years?
Yeah, had to make up something called the Oort cloud for that one. Don't know where it is but it has to be out there somewhere.
Of course you can't have something as intricate and varied as life on Earth unless you have billions and billions of years of time for it to happen.
Setteled science?
Always go with what God says in his word. You'll never be proven wrong. Hasn't happened yet. Has happened the other day around.
But, but,,, billions and billions of years.
Really?
So, how is it that outer planets in our solar system are STILL giving off more heat than they take in?
Or the strength of the magnetic fields of Uranus and Neptune as measured by Voyager II?
Or the longest a comet could possibly survive being 100K years?
Yeah, had to make up something called the Oort cloud for that one. Don't know where it is but it has to be out there somewhere.
Of course you can't have something as intricate and varied as life on Earth unless you have billions and billions of years of time for it to happen.
Posted by: teej at December 28, 2019 03:17 PM (4aVpH)
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The other "way" around.
Posted by: teej at December 28, 2019 03:21 PM (4aVpH)
293
Still thinking articles don't make it to the Senate they can't have a trial and gettjng more convinced The Wicked witch of the Left isn't going to send them at least if its her decision.
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2019 04:14 PM (ZCEU2)
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Speaking of failing to adjust to reality...
how in the HELL is the LSU Offensive Coordinator STILL COACHING when his daughter in law died in a plane crash on the way to the game
less than 12 hours ago?
how in the HELL is the LSU Offensive Coordinator STILL COACHING when his daughter in law died in a plane crash on the way to the game
less than 12 hours ago?
Posted by: Schrodinger's mikeyG at December 28, 2019 04:36 PM (rZgGg)
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Wrote this under a particularly annoying boss about 20 years ago:
Wind tunnel hairdo
Thinks Microsoft innovates
Can't see from rectum
Wrote this under a particularly annoying boss about 20 years ago:
Wind tunnel hairdo
Thinks Microsoft innovates
Can't see from rectum
Posted by: Jim at December 28, 2019 07:13 PM (kmown)
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