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Poll: Trump Drawing More and More Black Support
Zogby "oversampled" black voters in his latest survey and found that the support was 27%, but he also measured support in head-to-head matchups with 2020 Democratic candidates to put that support to an election test. In all cases, while black support for Trump dropped when an alternative was offered, it was higher than the 8% he received in 2016 and maybe enough to push him across the finish line first in 2020. Against Joe Biden, Trump receives 12% of the black vote. Against Sen. Bernie Sanders, it was 14%. And against Sen. Elizabeth Warren, it was 17%. While he had a 5% margin of error, Zogby said the trend is clear. "If Trump is able to up his numbers over 10% or near 15%, and with a lower turnout among African Americans because they are not excited by the field of candidates or turned off by D.C., Trump could really benefit from this scenario in the 2020 general election," he told us.By the way, "oversampling" is not in itself a problem. You oversample smaller subgroups when you want to ask specific questions of them and still get a statistically accurate result. You need around 400 respondents in any sub-group to say something statistically meaningful about them. In a normal poll of all Americans, if you polled 800 people total, you'd only wind up talking to around 100 blacks, which is not a big enough sample to be statistically valid. So instead you keep calling, trying to get more blacks, until you get around 400. That doesn't mean the rest of the poll is invalid -- a pollster would in the end weight that black sample down to the level it is throughout the country for the "all respondents" part of the poll. He wouldn't leave the oversample in unadjusted.
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OT: first
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 12:27 PM (q80AH)
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Top 10!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:28 PM (vc6c9)
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But, but the media says that's impossible! Have you seen the new Fox poll about impeachment? Eleventy!!!
Posted by: It's me donna at December 16, 2019 12:28 PM (6XlcD)
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"Bring out your poll trools with hair afire!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:29 PM (c1Tot)
Posted by: Just Lily at December 16, 2019 12:29 PM (Yi26I)
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Fourth score and seven years ago...
Posted by: stumck at December 16, 2019 12:29 PM (w9Wax)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 12:30 PM (tjClK)
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Funny how having a job and a future changes one's political outlook.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 16, 2019 12:30 PM (YslsA)
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This shall not stand!
The obvious solution is that voter rolls must be purged of black voters...
Oh wait
The obvious solution is that voter rolls must be purged of black voters...
Oh wait
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 16, 2019 12:30 PM (BiNEL)
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Willowed:
366 That Thunberg git was traveling first class and complaining about crowds. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Welcome to the green world of being packed like sardines in a can Greta. Your world not mine!
What you thought it would all be million dollar sail boats vegan food with celebritards? LOL She'll be all "Whaaaaaaa??!!! Why am I up against this wall?", when her commie turds are done with her. "What do you mean no health care for spectrum babies like me? HOW DARE YOU."
"Wait that used to work to get my way. What are you pointing at me? Why am I against this wall?"
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 16, 2019 12:24 PM (ymnmz)
AOSHQ Survey: What percentage of Greta's behavior can be attributed to:
1. Autism
2. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
3. Awful Parents
4. "Education" indoctrination
5. ????
Sum must equal 100%. Show your work. :-)
366 That Thunberg git was traveling first class and complaining about crowds. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Welcome to the green world of being packed like sardines in a can Greta. Your world not mine!
What you thought it would all be million dollar sail boats vegan food with celebritards? LOL She'll be all "Whaaaaaaa??!!! Why am I up against this wall?", when her commie turds are done with her. "What do you mean no health care for spectrum babies like me? HOW DARE YOU."
"Wait that used to work to get my way. What are you pointing at me? Why am I against this wall?"
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 16, 2019 12:24 PM (ymnmz)
AOSHQ Survey: What percentage of Greta's behavior can be attributed to:
1. Autism
2. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
3. Awful Parents
4. "Education" indoctrination
5. ????
Sum must equal 100%. Show your work. :-)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 12:30 PM (ujg0T)
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That's it. Big Mike must run NOW.
Posted by: Texicanette at December 16, 2019 12:31 PM (gou4q)
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It's almost like they want to work, are capable of working, and would love to be able to care for their families.
I can see why the Democrats remain confused after 100+ years.
I can see why the Democrats remain confused after 100+ years.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 12:31 PM (byrkf)
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 12:31 PM (7nTlT)
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Richard Jewell did not incriminate himself.
Posted by: Just Lily at December 16, 2019 12:29 PM (Yi26I)
True dat!
Posted by: Just Lily at December 16, 2019 12:29 PM (Yi26I)
True dat!
Posted by: R Hatfill at December 16, 2019 12:31 PM (BiNEL)
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"statistically accurate".....oxymoron?
Posted by: BignJames at December 16, 2019 12:31 PM (X/Pw5)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (c1Tot)
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I dunno. I've come to loath some of this sampling by race. Does not the black population correspond to the overall voting public and ergo want the same things as all of us? Are we somehow saying that group is somehow ignorant and not subject to the same democratic impulses we all are?
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (m/eiQ)
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No one ever called Bloomburg "big."
Posted by: Texicanette at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (gou4q)
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Polls are still for strippers.
Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (tjClK)
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How we gonna keep them down on the farm, after they've seen Pair-ee?
Posted by: Democrats at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (vtcmf)
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I hate to ruin the fun but when I take a poll I identify as 22 year-old, transgender African-American female so that may be part of the reason for the poll results.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at December 16, 2019 12:33 PM (J0Mm6)
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Obviously these were just White Supremacists wearing blackface.
Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 12:33 PM (v0R5T)
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As Trump draws black support, the peach mint gets more desperate.
Posted by: henry at December 16, 2019 12:33 PM (JMDly)
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We talk about a lot of different 2020 scenarios, but if minorities actually wake up to what the democrats have been doing to them for decades, the seismic shift in the political landscape is utterly incalculable.
It's the one scenario where the dems might actually become a NY/Cali party and nothing more.
It's the one scenario where the dems might actually become a NY/Cali party and nothing more.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 16, 2019 12:33 PM (nNEcr)
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When will Stacey Abrams claim that Trump stole her voting block?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:34 PM (c1Tot)
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Washington comPost: Many black Americans recently exposed as Russian assets.
Posted by: ShainS at December 16, 2019 12:34 PM (jV27N)
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Against Joe Biden, Trump receives 12% of the black vote. Against Sen. Bernie Sanders, it was 14%. And against Sen. Elizabeth Warren, it was 17%.
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So, the most corrupt opponent does the best, the independent socialist running in the democrat primary is second best, and the now mainstream democrat loses by historic margins.
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So, the most corrupt opponent does the best, the independent socialist running in the democrat primary is second best, and the now mainstream democrat loses by historic margins.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 16, 2019 12:34 PM (YslsA)
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No one ever called Bloomburg "big."
Posted by: Texicanette at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (gou4q).
Well he does punch up most of the time.
No one ever called Bloomburg "big."
Posted by: Texicanette at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (gou4q).
Well he does punch up most of the time.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 16, 2019 12:34 PM (ymnmz)
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If Michelle runs, let's have a National Conversation about her school lunch program.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 16, 2019 12:34 PM (U+yse)
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Sanders is now neck in neck with Biden in one poll. Ponder that for a second.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:35 PM (m/eiQ)
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Is there still that poll that regularly sampled some 3000 people?
You know, the only one that showed Trump winning in 2016?
You know, the only one that showed Trump winning in 2016?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 16, 2019 12:35 PM (vPKfA)
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That doesn't mean the rest of the poll is invalid -- a pollster would in the end weight that black sample down to the level it is throughout the country for the "all respondents" part of the poll.
Yep - speaking as a former professional pollster (not political), you always weight your respondents to match their share of the population, not the share of respondents, since the two don't match up.
The classic issue is that high-income people are less likely to respond to polls, so you generally need to overweight high-income respondents in your sample to get to mix of responses reflecting the population.
Yep - speaking as a former professional pollster (not political), you always weight your respondents to match their share of the population, not the share of respondents, since the two don't match up.
The classic issue is that high-income people are less likely to respond to polls, so you generally need to overweight high-income respondents in your sample to get to mix of responses reflecting the population.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:35 PM (I2/tG)
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21
I hate to ruin the fun but when I take a poll I identify as 22 year-old,
transgender African-American female so that may be part of the reason
for the poll results.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at December 16, 2019 12:33 PM (J0Mm6)
And when I take a pole............
I hate to ruin the fun but when I take a poll I identify as 22 year-old,
transgender African-American female so that may be part of the reason
for the poll results.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at December 16, 2019 12:33 PM (J0Mm6)
And when I take a pole............
Posted by: Shep Smith at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (c1Tot)
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17 I dunno. I've come to loath some of this sampling by race. Does not the black population correspond to the overall voting public and ergo want the same things as all of us? Are we somehow saying that group is somehow ignorant and not subject to the same democratic impulses we all are?
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (m/eiQ)
Blacks do not statistically mirror the rest of the public no(groups in general do not).
Democratic impulses?
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (m/eiQ)
Blacks do not statistically mirror the rest of the public no(groups in general do not).
Democratic impulses?
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (7nTlT)
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AOSHQ Survey: What percentage of Greta's behavior can be attributed to:
1. Autism
2. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
3. Awful Parents
4. "Education" indoctrination
5. ????
Sum must equal 100%. Show your work. :-)
Posted by: Curmudgeon
3. 100%
Like vegetarian cats, we know who is making the lifestyle choices.
1. Autism
2. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
3. Awful Parents
4. "Education" indoctrination
5. ????
Sum must equal 100%. Show your work. :-)
Posted by: Curmudgeon
3. 100%
Like vegetarian cats, we know who is making the lifestyle choices.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (vc6c9)
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31 Is there still that poll that regularly sampled some 3000 people?
You know, the only one that showed Trump winning in 2016?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 16, 2019 12:35 PM (vPKfA)
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LA Times Tracking poll. Nope haven't seen it yet. I'm sure they'll restart in 2020 sometime.
You know, the only one that showed Trump winning in 2016?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 16, 2019 12:35 PM (vPKfA)
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LA Times Tracking poll. Nope haven't seen it yet. I'm sure they'll restart in 2020 sometime.
Posted by: WisRich at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (G0vdT)
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Big Mike to the rescue!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (MfzEx)
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Still have 10 1/2 months to go; still if the trend lines remain the same the Democrats may as well nominate Biden, let him have his booby prize, and try to find someone, anyone, to run who isn't a first class joke.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (hLRSq)
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We talk about a lot of different 2020 scenarios, but if minorities actually wake up to what the democrats have been doing to them for decades, the seismic shift in the political landscape is utterly incalculable.
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In name, maybe, but I can't imagine gay marriage or abortion would change in any meaningful way. They also aren't going to willingly slice their own throats with cutting affirmative action, job preferences, welfare, etc.
The (R)s might win more elections, and that's good for avoiding full-blown infections of socialism, but modern (R)s = 90s (D)s.
Unfortunately there's no cure.
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In name, maybe, but I can't imagine gay marriage or abortion would change in any meaningful way. They also aren't going to willingly slice their own throats with cutting affirmative action, job preferences, welfare, etc.
The (R)s might win more elections, and that's good for avoiding full-blown infections of socialism, but modern (R)s = 90s (D)s.
Unfortunately there's no cure.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (byrkf)
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I've heard that a few times, and it's very nice and is not insignificant. I'm not, however, counting on ANYTHING. Even one iota of comfort or certainty about 2020 is poison. People are too easy to become apathetic or overconfident, regardless of how crucial it is. If these polls reflect reality, then yay! But still... just sayin.
Posted by: LeftyMagnet at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (lGM2N)
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Can't imagine why black people aren't responding to the Democrats' focus on impeachment, open borders, transgender rights, and the correct use of personal pronouns.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (I2/tG)
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By way of anecdote, I'd say it's just black men. Black women are still 99% "whichever Democrat is running"
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (vPKfA)
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That poll that shows what I like is valid but that poll that shows what I didn't like is invalid for reasons. And polls are science except when they aren't, you knuckle draggers!
Posted by: Pollus Trollus at December 16, 2019 12:38 PM (RD7QR)
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Maybe I should run more ads about taking people's guns away and shutting down the coal industry! That'll do the trick!
Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at December 16, 2019 12:38 PM (2PXwn)
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It would be great if Trump got over 10-12% of the black vote, but I'm not holding my breath.
Most blacks are concentrated in the big cities of the electoral-vote rich big Blue States. And these cities are ruled with an iron fist by the Democrat Machines.
They will make sure they vote Democrat.
Most blacks are concentrated in the big cities of the electoral-vote rich big Blue States. And these cities are ruled with an iron fist by the Democrat Machines.
They will make sure they vote Democrat.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 12:38 PM (CqE5x)
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Still have 10 1/2 months to go; still if the trend lines remain the same
the Democrats may as well nominate Biden, let him have his booby prize,
and try to find someone, anyone, to run who isn't a first class joke.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (hLRSq)
Like the GOPe did with Bob Dole, McCain, Romney..............
Still have 10 1/2 months to go; still if the trend lines remain the same
the Democrats may as well nominate Biden, let him have his booby prize,
and try to find someone, anyone, to run who isn't a first class joke.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (hLRSq)
Like the GOPe did with Bob Dole, McCain, Romney..............
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 12:38 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: t-bird at December 16, 2019 12:38 PM (C78No)
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I guess black voters are starting to realize they ARE doing better under Trump's leadership.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 16, 2019 12:38 PM (Ejm1K)
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Don't worry. We have just the nominee to win them back.
Pete Buttigeg 2020
There is a new identity politics pecking order.
- Democrats.
Pete Buttigeg 2020
There is a new identity politics pecking order.
- Democrats.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 12:38 PM (sX1BW)
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The last Republican Presidential candidate to get double digits in black voters was GHWB
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2019 12:39 PM (9VeU0)
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I refuse to participate in any polls. Either that, or I lie.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 12:39 PM (88+cf)
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36 AOSHQ Survey: What percentage of Greta's behavior can be attributed to:
1. Autism
2. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
3. Awful Parents
4. "Education" indoctrination
5. ????
Sum must equal 100%. Show your work. :-)
Posted by: Curmudgeon
3. 100%
Like vegetarian cats, we know who is making the lifestyle choices.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (vc6c9)
Certainly #3 is the lion's share, but she definitely is on "the spectrum" and definitely does have that Fetal Alcohol Syndrome look, and I am sure Swedish schooling does not help either.
1. Autism
2. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
3. Awful Parents
4. "Education" indoctrination
5. ????
Sum must equal 100%. Show your work. :-)
Posted by: Curmudgeon
3. 100%
Like vegetarian cats, we know who is making the lifestyle choices.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (vc6c9)
Certainly #3 is the lion's share, but she definitely is on "the spectrum" and definitely does have that Fetal Alcohol Syndrome look, and I am sure Swedish schooling does not help either.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 12:39 PM (ujg0T)
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Against Joe Biden, Trump receives 12% of the black vote. Against Sen. Bernie Sanders, it was 14%. And against Sen. Elizabeth Warren, it was 17%.
And this is why the Dems will nominate Biden, or if he scratches the cue ball, Hillary.
Sanders is a non-starter. Hell, he's not even a Democrat. And Warren would be defeated in a popularity contest by an IRS auditor.
And this is why the Dems will nominate Biden, or if he scratches the cue ball, Hillary.
Sanders is a non-starter. Hell, he's not even a Democrat. And Warren would be defeated in a popularity contest by an IRS auditor.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:39 PM (hGXZE)
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Perhaps the African-American community is finally wising up to the words Ronald Reagan said decades ago - "I didn't leave the Democrat Party, they left me."
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (c1Tot)
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Black women are still 99% "whichever Democrat is running"
Yep - Trump got 13% of the black male vote last time, and 4% of the black female vote.
Yep - Trump got 13% of the black male vote last time, and 4% of the black female vote.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (I2/tG)
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It would take a MAJOR defection from the Democrats--a Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton -level figure to get blacks voting en masse for Trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (CqE5x)
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The Greta Thunderburglar phenomenon is very much akin to that group of Down syndrome young adults who were taken on tour as drag queens. (Drag Syndrome- not going to give a link). Purely cynical manipulation of a weak-minded individual for political gain.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (m45I2)
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I guess black voters are starting to realize they ARE doing better under Trump's leadership.
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Or are they learning the same thing conservatives are learning.
The party elite have been ignoring the base they purportedly represent for years. Just taking their votes for granite.
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Or are they learning the same thing conservatives are learning.
The party elite have been ignoring the base they purportedly represent for years. Just taking their votes for granite.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (sX1BW)
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42 Can't imagine why black people aren't responding to the Democrats' focus on impeachment, open borders, transgender rights, and the correct use of personal pronouns.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (I2/tG)
African Americans are very invested in innocents accused.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (I2/tG)
African Americans are very invested in innocents accused.
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (9VeU0)
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Michelle Obama is so physically intimidated by white people that she gets aggressive and bares her teeth when they are around her.
Not a good look.
Not a good look.
Posted by: the girl who says.... at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (sI15f)
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I wasn't polled.
Posted by: Voter Fraud at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (l1sdS)
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The party elite have been ignoring the base they purportedly represent for years. Just taking their votes for granite.
Posted by: SH at
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No Schist
Posted by: SH at
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No Schist
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (YslsA)
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> AOSHQ Survey: What percentage of Greta's behavior can be attributed to:
> 1. Autism
She does NOT have autism. They're only saying that because Hollywood has promoted the myth that people with autism are SOOPAR JEENIUSES ("savants", in the jargon), which is not true, in general. Some are, of course, but most aren't. In any case, it's irrelevant in her case because she DOES NOT HAVE AUTISM.
I know a fair number of people with autism, and am quite familiar with the clinical signs. She doesn't have it.
What she does appear to have is a selection from the Cluster B menu.
> 1. Autism
She does NOT have autism. They're only saying that because Hollywood has promoted the myth that people with autism are SOOPAR JEENIUSES ("savants", in the jargon), which is not true, in general. Some are, of course, but most aren't. In any case, it's irrelevant in her case because she DOES NOT HAVE AUTISM.
I know a fair number of people with autism, and am quite familiar with the clinical signs. She doesn't have it.
What she does appear to have is a selection from the Cluster B menu.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (WsmTT)
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They said you was oversampled!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (q1Pj5)
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It would be great if Trump got over 10-12% of the black vote, but I'm not holding my breath.
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He actually doesn't have to get that.
All he has to do is prevent them from voting for the other guy.
Turns out blacks will be less enthusiastic to vote for Pete Buttigeg than they were for Obama.
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He actually doesn't have to get that.
All he has to do is prevent them from voting for the other guy.
Turns out blacks will be less enthusiastic to vote for Pete Buttigeg than they were for Obama.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (sX1BW)
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Gneiss you!
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (c1Tot)
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36 AOSHQ Survey: What percentage of Greta's behavior can be attributed to:
1. Autism
2. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
3. Awful Parents
4. "Education" indoctrination
5. ????
Sum must equal 100%. Show your work. :-)
Posted by: Curmudgeon
........
5. not enough oxygen at birth
1. Autism
2. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
3. Awful Parents
4. "Education" indoctrination
5. ????
Sum must equal 100%. Show your work. :-)
Posted by: Curmudgeon
........
5. not enough oxygen at birth
Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (v0R5T)
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In name, maybe, but I can't imagine gay marriage or abortion would change in any meaningful way. They also aren't going to willingly slice their own throats with cutting affirmative action, job preferences, welfare, etc.
The (R)s might win more elections, and that's good for avoiding full-blown infections of socialism, but modern (R)s = 90s (D)s.
Unfortunately there's no cure.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (byrkf)
Sadly this, but there IS one issue that could help wedge them away: immigration, particularly of the illegal type.
I remember 1994 California, where Pete Wilson won nearly 30 percent of the African American vote on this issue, the last time a GOP candidate ever did well in CA.
The (R)s might win more elections, and that's good for avoiding full-blown infections of socialism, but modern (R)s = 90s (D)s.
Unfortunately there's no cure.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 12:37 PM (byrkf)
Sadly this, but there IS one issue that could help wedge them away: immigration, particularly of the illegal type.
I remember 1994 California, where Pete Wilson won nearly 30 percent of the African American vote on this issue, the last time a GOP candidate ever did well in CA.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Katie Hill at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (loGUc)
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56 Black women are still 99% "whichever Democrat is running"
Yep - Trump got 13% of the black male vote last time, and 4% of the black female vote.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (I2/tG)
That pretty much matches the difference in the male/female vote generally.
Yep - Trump got 13% of the black male vote last time, and 4% of the black female vote.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (I2/tG)
That pretty much matches the difference in the male/female vote generally.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (7nTlT)
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Polls are still for strippers.
Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (tjClK)
A dog knows what to do with a poll.
Posted by: Sponge at December 16, 2019 12:32 PM (tjClK)
A dog knows what to do with a poll.
Posted by: zombie John Diefenbaker at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (Ol3ZL)
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I want to believe this is going to happen. I'm suspicious of whether Trump will actually get anywhere near 20% of the black vote on Election Day, because it seems like we always get stories like this, only to get disappointed when the numbers come in.
But hey, we'd all sort of resigned ourselves to never getting Pennsylvania back, and look how that turned out. So it's possible.
But hey, we'd all sort of resigned ourselves to never getting Pennsylvania back, and look how that turned out. So it's possible.
Posted by: Dr. T at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (2PXwn)
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Big Mike to the rescue!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (MfzEx)
Would you run if you were her?
I see no upside
Also, there's a dirty little secret--some Democrat voters ARE actually sexist/and or racist and wouldn't vote for her.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (MfzEx)
Would you run if you were her?
I see no upside
Also, there's a dirty little secret--some Democrat voters ARE actually sexist/and or racist and wouldn't vote for her.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (CqE5x)
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Democratic impulses= when people see their freedoms being taken away, Second Amendment, abortion, socialism, punishing success, taking your money for every of their favorite cause celebre's, anti American behavior, destructive fiscal policies etc.
The people I know who just happen to be black largely share the same views on many of those issues. It's like we neglect to realize that, and believe they will continue to vote for Dems irrespective and against their own self interests. That in and of itself seems very presumptive.
The people I know who just happen to be black largely share the same views on many of those issues. It's like we neglect to realize that, and believe they will continue to vote for Dems irrespective and against their own self interests. That in and of itself seems very presumptive.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (m/eiQ)
76
The party elite have been ignoring the base they purportedly represent for years. Just taking their votes for granite.
Posted by: SH at
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No Schist
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Geology is in my blood.
Posted by: SH at
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No Schist
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Geology is in my blood.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 12:43 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:43 PM (WsmTT)
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If you want to know if this is cause for panic in the Dem party?
Let's see if they change the debate rules to "all the whities and one token" to keep up their fake diversity scam
Let's see if they change the debate rules to "all the whities and one token" to keep up their fake diversity scam
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 16, 2019 12:43 PM (vPKfA)
79
Behold the power of Kanye.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 12:43 PM (H9cB7)
80
I changed my mind about peach mints. The House Judiciary Comm's AoI is probably being provocative and I'm jumping at the bait. But Trump should insist on a lengthy and in-depth trial.
We just had the IG report and we'll hopefully have the other guy come out with his report soon too. Keep the promise. Put shitbird on the stand and grill him on his last 4 years of conduct with an FBI swat team ready to get him on perjury charges.
Fuck everyone in the ass. Obama, hillary, biden, biden jr. Comey, Steele, ... they all go under oath.
We just had the IG report and we'll hopefully have the other guy come out with his report soon too. Keep the promise. Put shitbird on the stand and grill him on his last 4 years of conduct with an FBI swat team ready to get him on perjury charges.
Fuck everyone in the ass. Obama, hillary, biden, biden jr. Comey, Steele, ... they all go under oath.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 16, 2019 12:43 PM (FEQY4)
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Certainly #3 is the lion's share, but she definitely
is on "the spectrum" and definitely does have that Fetal Alcohol
Syndrome look, and I am sure Swedish schooling does not help either.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 12:39 PM
I would opine that #3 covers the FAS and "Spectrum". If wino mommy wasn't a wino mommy while she was preggers, she wouldn't have FAS (which is what the "spectrum" claim really is, IMO).
is on "the spectrum" and definitely does have that Fetal Alcohol
Syndrome look, and I am sure Swedish schooling does not help either.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 12:39 PM
I would opine that #3 covers the FAS and "Spectrum". If wino mommy wasn't a wino mommy while she was preggers, she wouldn't have FAS (which is what the "spectrum" claim really is, IMO).
Posted by: Bert G at December 16, 2019 12:44 PM (OMsf+)
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3. 100%
Like vegetarian cats, we know who is making the lifestyle choices.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (vc6c9)
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None of those factors are responsible for what's wrong with Greta. None of them are helping either.
But the root cause of her problem is that she is a bad seed. They exist and she is one of them. Just rotten to the core.
With dreadful little devils like Greta, good parenting and education and maybe therapy can be helpful, and even possibly turn them around. But left to their own devices, these kids become evil early on, because they are born predisposed toward sadistic, bullying behavior.
Nobody nipped in the bud with this one, and this wretched little shit is the result.
3. 100%
Like vegetarian cats, we know who is making the lifestyle choices.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:36 PM (vc6c9)
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None of those factors are responsible for what's wrong with Greta. None of them are helping either.
But the root cause of her problem is that she is a bad seed. They exist and she is one of them. Just rotten to the core.
With dreadful little devils like Greta, good parenting and education and maybe therapy can be helpful, and even possibly turn them around. But left to their own devices, these kids become evil early on, because they are born predisposed toward sadistic, bullying behavior.
Nobody nipped in the bud with this one, and this wretched little shit is the result.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 12:44 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:44 PM (c1Tot)
84
If white Trump supporters lie to pollsters, and we know they do, I've got to imagine some black Trump supporters do so.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (H9cB7)
85
The party elite have been ignoring the base they purportedly represent for years. Just taking their votes for granite.
Posted by: SH at
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No Schist
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Geology is in my blood.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 12:43 PM
To many older voters getting sedimentary in their ways.
Posted by: SH at
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No Schist
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Geology is in my blood.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019 12:43 PM
To many older voters getting sedimentary in their ways.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (axyOa)
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It's part of the reason why I was a little scared of Kamala Harris. Democrats need monolithic and energetic black support to win. And they got this with Obama, chances are they would have with Kamala (despite not being 100% black)
I don't believe for a minute nearly 1 in 3 blacks will vote for Trump, but not having them lined up to vote in Rust Belt cities is all we need.
I don't believe for a minute nearly 1 in 3 blacks will vote for Trump, but not having them lined up to vote in Rust Belt cities is all we need.
Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (sjTfF)
87
TFG appeared to throw Joey Plugs under the bus today, something about how old people should just die and get out of the way.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (WsmTT)
88
55
Perhaps the African-American community is finally wising up to the words
Ronald Reagan said decades ago - "I didn't leave the Democrat Party,
they left me."
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (c1Tot)
Trump was smart in suggesting to the African-Americans to give him a chance. Surely they have benefited from the strong economy. Minus the diehard truly entrenched Dem voters, you'd think they'd give Trump another term.
55
Perhaps the African-American community is finally wising up to the words
Ronald Reagan said decades ago - "I didn't leave the Democrat Party,
they left me."
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:40 PM (c1Tot)
Trump was smart in suggesting to the African-Americans to give him a chance. Surely they have benefited from the strong economy. Minus the diehard truly entrenched Dem voters, you'd think they'd give Trump another term.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (N39Ws)
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Greta is like clock-boy...another liberal human shield we're supposed to obey without ever daring to question her. fuck that shit.
the left wants war, they say so. They should at least not be able to use human shields.
the left wants war, they say so. They should at least not be able to use human shields.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (FEQY4)
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75 Democratic impulses= when people see their freedoms being taken away, Second Amendment, abortion, socialism, punishing success, taking your money for every of their favorite cause celebre's, anti American behavior, destructive fiscal policies etc.
The people I know who just happen to be black largely share the same views on many of those issues. It's like we neglect to realize that, and believe they will continue to vote for Dems irrespective and against their own self interests. That in and of itself seems very presumptive.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (m/eiQ)
The answer then is no, people do not generally have these "democratic impulses".
Track record suggests otherwise.
The people I know who just happen to be black largely share the same views on many of those issues. It's like we neglect to realize that, and believe they will continue to vote for Dems irrespective and against their own self interests. That in and of itself seems very presumptive.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (m/eiQ)
The answer then is no, people do not generally have these "democratic impulses".
Track record suggests otherwise.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (7nTlT)
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Oops, sorry to go off-topic up above, Ace. It wasn't my fault. Mistakes were made..
Back on-topic-
Re: blacks supporting Trump I suspect there is a not-insignificant amount of "shy Trump voter" respondents to some of these polls. What happens when the curtain at the voting booth is pulled closed may be different.
Back on-topic-
Re: blacks supporting Trump I suspect there is a not-insignificant amount of "shy Trump voter" respondents to some of these polls. What happens when the curtain at the voting booth is pulled closed may be different.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (m45I2)
92
The party elite have been ignoring the base they purportedly represent for years. Just taking their votes for granite.
Posted by: SH
On porpoise!
Posted by: SH
On porpoise!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:46 PM (vc6c9)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 16, 2019 12:46 PM (axyOa)
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The people I know who just happen to be black largely share the same views on many of those issues. It's like we neglect to realize that, and believe they will continue to vote for Dems irrespective and against their own self interests. That in and of itself seems very presumptive.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (m/eiQ)
This is no secret. Many blacks ARE conservative on the issues--of course they want THEIR taxes lowered, they don't like gay marriage, want a strong military and boy, do they love their guns.
but when votin' time comes, it's always 90+% Democrat.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (m/eiQ)
This is no secret. Many blacks ARE conservative on the issues--of course they want THEIR taxes lowered, they don't like gay marriage, want a strong military and boy, do they love their guns.
but when votin' time comes, it's always 90+% Democrat.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 12:46 PM (CqE5x)
95
In all cases, while black support for Trump dropped when an alternative was offered, it was higher than the 8% he received in 2016 and maybe enough to push him across the finish line first in 2020.
Polling keeps being proved to be a reasty pile of lies and guesswork, but this is the bottom line: does anyone really think Trump will get FEWER black voters than last time??
Polling keeps being proved to be a reasty pile of lies and guesswork, but this is the bottom line: does anyone really think Trump will get FEWER black voters than last time??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 12:46 PM (KZzsI)
96
That pretty much matches the difference in the male/female vote generally.
Not really. Trump got 63% of the white male vote, and 52% of the white female vote. Trump got 33% of the Hispanic male vote, and 26% of the Hispanic female vote.
Black females are an unique outlier.
Not really. Trump got 63% of the white male vote, and 52% of the white female vote. Trump got 33% of the Hispanic male vote, and 26% of the Hispanic female vote.
Black females are an unique outlier.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:46 PM (I2/tG)
97
The party elite have been ignoring the base they purportedly represent for years. Just taking their votes for granite.
Posted by: SH at
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No Schist
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Geology is in my blood.
Well isn't that gneiss.
Posted by: SH at
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No Schist
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Geology is in my blood.
Well isn't that gneiss.
Posted by: Geology dad joke here at December 16, 2019 12:47 PM (jO5FM)
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75 Democratic impulses= when people see their freedoms being taken away, Second Amendment, abortion, socialism, punishing success, taking your money for every of their favorite cause celebre's, anti American behavior, destructive fiscal policies etc.
The people I know who just happen to be black largely share the same views on many of those issues. It's like we neglect to realize that, and believe they will continue to vote for Dems irrespective and against their own self interests. That in and of itself seems very presumptive.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (m/eiQ)
Obviously, we should encourage "The Talented Tenth" of African Americans, like we should encourage the Talented Third of Mexican Americans, BUT if the GOP goes too far overboard (His)pandering or Blackpandering, it will lose the White Working Class that is clearly disgusted with the Demunists.
Hispandering, after wall, was a disguise for Globalism, which was clearly alienating to all us at AOSHQ, let alone the White Working Class.
The people I know who just happen to be black largely share the same views on many of those issues. It's like we neglect to realize that, and believe they will continue to vote for Dems irrespective and against their own self interests. That in and of itself seems very presumptive.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (m/eiQ)
Obviously, we should encourage "The Talented Tenth" of African Americans, like we should encourage the Talented Third of Mexican Americans, BUT if the GOP goes too far overboard (His)pandering or Blackpandering, it will lose the White Working Class that is clearly disgusted with the Demunists.
Hispandering, after wall, was a disguise for Globalism, which was clearly alienating to all us at AOSHQ, let alone the White Working Class.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 12:47 PM (ujg0T)
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The thing about the "black" vote which somehow gets 100% turn out is that the "black vote" is likely just the empty voter rolls that get filled in at the hard blue precincts by local democrat machine politicians.
That's why they fight so hard to stop voter roll clean ups. Higher black participation in these districts would mean more real votes being cast which would lower the number of fake votes being cast by democrat operatives.
That's why they fight so hard to stop voter roll clean ups. Higher black participation in these districts would mean more real votes being cast which would lower the number of fake votes being cast by democrat operatives.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 16, 2019 12:47 PM (FEQY4)
100
Oopty. *bonk* These babies are slippery!
Posted by: Gurta's obstetrician at December 16, 2019 12:47 PM (v0R5T)
101
Michelle Obama is so physically intimidated by white people that she gets aggressive and bares her teeth when they are around her.
Not a good look.
Posted by: the girl who says.... at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (sI15f)
So what sets off St. Greta? She's always snarling in public.
Not a good look.
Posted by: the girl who says.... at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (sI15f)
So what sets off St. Greta? She's always snarling in public.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:47 PM (hGXZE)
102
Greta is like clock-boy...another liberal human shield we're supposed to obey without ever daring to question her. fuck that shit.
the left wants war, they say so.
They should at least not be able to use human shields.
Posted by: mushroom maniac
They can use them. Just know, I won't respect them.
the left wants war, they say so.
They should at least not be able to use human shields.
Posted by: mushroom maniac
They can use them. Just know, I won't respect them.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (vc6c9)
103
Leaving in Biden is a confession that the Dems can't win. Anyone saying that he can beat Trump by 8 in Ohio (!!!) is high out of their minds, and everyone knows it.
What I'm interested in is state polls. AA voting against Trump in California is nothing new. But the AA population of Michigan becoming pro-Trump could end the election before it begins.
What I'm interested in is state polls. AA voting against Trump in California is nothing new. But the AA population of Michigan becoming pro-Trump could end the election before it begins.
Posted by: trev006 at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (su29i)
104
Oh speaking of evil parents, what has happened to that little boy in Texas? The one who's harridan of a sadistic mother wants to turn him into a girl?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (c1Tot)
105
96 That pretty much matches the difference in the male/female vote generally.
Not really. Trump got 63% of the white male vote, and 52% of the white female vote. Trump got 33% of the Hispanic male vote, and 26% of the Hispanic female vote.
Black females are an unique outlier.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:46 PM (I2/tG)
It's about a 10% gap. Not the ratio.
Not really. Trump got 63% of the white male vote, and 52% of the white female vote. Trump got 33% of the Hispanic male vote, and 26% of the Hispanic female vote.
Black females are an unique outlier.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 16, 2019 12:46 PM (I2/tG)
It's about a 10% gap. Not the ratio.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (7nTlT)
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I know a fair number of people with autism, and am quite familiar with the clinical signs. She doesn't have it.
I agree.
I have kids with autism, and she comes across as much more of a spoiled brat than an autist.
I know a fair number of people with autism, and am quite familiar with the clinical signs. She doesn't have it.
I agree.
I have kids with autism, and she comes across as much more of a spoiled brat than an autist.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (U+yse)
107
> chances are they would have with Kamala (despite not being 100% black)
Nope, not a chance. She was monumentally unpopular with black voters, on account of her being a crooked cop and all.
Nope, not a chance. She was monumentally unpopular with black voters, on account of her being a crooked cop and all.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (WsmTT)
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Once you meet a person who is actually autistic you'll say "Oh, so *that's* what it means."
Greta might have some sensory issues combined with being raised poorly, but I'm not too worried about her autism diagnosis.
Greta might have some sensory issues combined with being raised poorly, but I'm not too worried about her autism diagnosis.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (byrkf)
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (Izzlo)
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So what sets off St. Greta? She's always snarling in public.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
that's gretarded
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
that's gretarded
Posted by: Rick in SK at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (FZYNt)
111
34 years ago, Big Paul Castellano was hit by a hail of bullets outside Sparks steak House , and John Gotti became a household name.....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (CqE5x)
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Certainly #3 is the lion's share, but she definitely is on "the spectrum" and definitely does have that Fetal Alcohol Syndrome look, and I am sure Swedish schooling does not help either.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 12:39 PM (ujg0T)
And the FAS, and perhaps the autism, too, can be laid at the door of "awful parenting". (Not that autism is necessarily caused by bad parenting, but that bad parents can make it worse.)
Certainly #3 is the lion's share, but she definitely is on "the spectrum" and definitely does have that Fetal Alcohol Syndrome look, and I am sure Swedish schooling does not help either.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 12:39 PM (ujg0T)
And the FAS, and perhaps the autism, too, can be laid at the door of "awful parenting". (Not that autism is necessarily caused by bad parenting, but that bad parents can make it worse.)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (Ol3ZL)
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I have kids with autism, and she comes across as much more of a spoiled brat than an autist.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (U+yse)
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*fistbump*
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (U+yse)
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*fistbump*
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (byrkf)
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So what sets off St. Greta? She's always snarling in public.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:47 PM (hGXZE
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See me @ 82. Bad seed. Clap her in an iron mask and lock her in the basement of a convent. In her case, the old ways are the best ways.
So what sets off St. Greta? She's always snarling in public.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:47 PM (hGXZE
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See me @ 82. Bad seed. Clap her in an iron mask and lock her in the basement of a convent. In her case, the old ways are the best ways.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (H9cB7)
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Sort of need a regional break down for the black support numbers (but that's asking a lot for a sub-group of a sub-group sampling) to confirm how important this might be.
If the swing to Trump is uniform across states, then it would basically be game over for Democrats. But if it's mainly concentrated in non-battleground safe GOP southern states (and/or safe Dem states like NY and CA), then it matters less.
If the swing to Trump is uniform across states, then it would basically be game over for Democrats. But if it's mainly concentrated in non-battleground safe GOP southern states (and/or safe Dem states like NY and CA), then it matters less.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (hdzef)
117
I could live on peach mints.
Posted by: Jerry "Comedy Gold" Nadless at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (vtcmf)
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Would you run if you were her?
I see no upside
Also, there's a dirty little secret--some Democrat voters ARE actually sexist/and or racist and wouldn't vote for her.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (CqE5x)
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I was thinking more the entertainment value of watching her make nice with Barry while on the campaign trail.
I see no upside
Also, there's a dirty little secret--some Democrat voters ARE actually sexist/and or racist and wouldn't vote for her.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 12:42 PM (CqE5x)
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I was thinking more the entertainment value of watching her make nice with Barry while on the campaign trail.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (MfzEx)
119
Blacks used to vote, when they were able to vote and decided to, almost straight ticket Republican. Until they didn't, and started voting Democrat. Its a mistake to assume the way things are now is the way they always will be, but it will be a big surprise for everyone when the shift happens again.
Right now, all Democrats offer blacks -- ALL they offer blacks -- is "the other guy is racist." Meanwhile the party of Abraham Lincoln is giving them jobs and better standard of living, dealing with prison issues, etc.
Eventually even the black pastors paid to propagandize for the Democrats are going to get a clue.
Right now, all Democrats offer blacks -- ALL they offer blacks -- is "the other guy is racist." Meanwhile the party of Abraham Lincoln is giving them jobs and better standard of living, dealing with prison issues, etc.
Eventually even the black pastors paid to propagandize for the Democrats are going to get a clue.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 12:50 PM (KZzsI)
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> I have kids with autism, and she comes across as much more of a spoiled brat than an autist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_B_personality_disorders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_B_personality_disorders
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:50 PM (WsmTT)
121
Greta is like clock-boy...another liberal human shield we're supposed to obey without ever daring to question her. fuck that shit.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (FEQY4)
Like "Mother Sheehan." Now we've got "Daughter Cabbage Patch."
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (FEQY4)
Like "Mother Sheehan." Now we've got "Daughter Cabbage Patch."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:50 PM (hGXZE)
122
Our son in law is black and both of his parents are professionals, one attorney and one physician. They think Obama was a huge mistake for the country, but refuse to consider voting for anything other than Dems. They acknowledge that the country is better off but just can't pull the R lever.
Posted by: Moon howler at December 16, 2019 12:50 PM (WdvDr)
123
Leaving in Biden is a confession that the Dems can't win. Anyone saying that he can beat Trump by 8 in Ohio (!!!) is high out of their minds, and everyone knows it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------Especially since it's only his name recognition that makes it close. And many have not been paying attention.
Wait til they see and hear the 2019 version Joe Biden
Nosedive
---------------------------------------------------------------------Especially since it's only his name recognition that makes it close. And many have not been paying attention.
Wait til they see and hear the 2019 version Joe Biden
Nosedive
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 12:51 PM (CqE5x)
124
101 Michelle Obama is so physically intimidated by white people that she gets aggressive and bares her teeth when they are around her.
Not a good look.
Posted by: the girl who says.... at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (sI15f)
So what sets off St. Greta? She's always snarling in public.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:47 PM (hGXZE)
Same thing, I think. An cultist hatred for white people.
Not a good look.
Posted by: the girl who says.... at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (sI15f)
So what sets off St. Greta? She's always snarling in public.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:47 PM (hGXZE)
Same thing, I think. An cultist hatred for white people.
Posted by: the girl who says.... at December 16, 2019 12:51 PM (sI15f)
125
Well, the blacks all switched sides after that Magical Night When the Parties Switched in Nineteen Thirtyfortysixtysomething.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 12:51 PM (H9cB7)
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Gretna's parents getting their rocks off from her acting skills. But like Sheehan they will be dropped when no longer useful.
They would have profited more by pimping her in legitimate theater.
They would have profited more by pimping her in legitimate theater.
Posted by: Trunk Mayhem at December 16, 2019 12:51 PM (iEXgF)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 16, 2019 12:52 PM (1CjJc)
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They would have profited more by pimping her in legitimate theater.
She would be a natural for a stage production of The Bad Seed.
She would be a natural for a stage production of The Bad Seed.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 12:52 PM (H9cB7)
129
I never knew that "generally being a shithead" had a medical diagnosis attached to it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 12:52 PM (AURKQ)
130
"It's part of the reason why I was a little scared of Kamala Harris. Democrats need monolithic and energetic black support to win. And they got this with Obama, chances are they would have with Kamala (despite not being 100% black)"
Perhaps it is time to actually look at candidates and not just the skin color. Obama talked a good game - it didn't work for me, but not everyone is a good target for the salespitch. Harris has the personality of drywall. She got where she is because of personal connections and running in a one-party state. Put her up against other people and she shows her complete incompetence and lack of charm. That is the danger of trying to reduce everything to a checklist - you get all of your identity groups covered, but you miss the spark that allows a candidate to connect with the voter.
Perhaps it is time to actually look at candidates and not just the skin color. Obama talked a good game - it didn't work for me, but not everyone is a good target for the salespitch. Harris has the personality of drywall. She got where she is because of personal connections and running in a one-party state. Put her up against other people and she shows her complete incompetence and lack of charm. That is the danger of trying to reduce everything to a checklist - you get all of your identity groups covered, but you miss the spark that allows a candidate to connect with the voter.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (hLRSq)
131
I'm liking the idea of the Senate just declaring the House vote unconstitutional.
Just send it back--no vote--with, you did not charge with a crime or a misdemeanor, the Constitution does not allow political trials in the Senate.
You know that's their biggest fear, which is why they had a whole day of "law professors" to declare the House could impeach for anything at all.
I mean, the Dems have focused almost entirely on scoffing at any notion they have to charge with an actual crime.
If they want to keep saying, impeachment is political, come back with, if that's what you want, then you get a partisan result: LOLGF.
Just send it back--no vote--with, you did not charge with a crime or a misdemeanor, the Constitution does not allow political trials in the Senate.
You know that's their biggest fear, which is why they had a whole day of "law professors" to declare the House could impeach for anything at all.
I mean, the Dems have focused almost entirely on scoffing at any notion they have to charge with an actual crime.
If they want to keep saying, impeachment is political, come back with, if that's what you want, then you get a partisan result: LOLGF.
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (vPKfA)
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I have kids with autism, and she comes across as much more of a spoiled brat than an autist.
Yeah well, they've created this whole "spectrum" which goes from "totally in their own world except on certain subjects" to "Rainman" to "shy at parties" now. So austism includes a ton of stuff most people wouldn't really call a mental disability.
But it would not at all shock me to find out that this girl developed a bunch of odd quirks just to get attention and care as a child from completely self-absorbed, worthless parents.
Yeah well, they've created this whole "spectrum" which goes from "totally in their own world except on certain subjects" to "Rainman" to "shy at parties" now. So austism includes a ton of stuff most people wouldn't really call a mental disability.
But it would not at all shock me to find out that this girl developed a bunch of odd quirks just to get attention and care as a child from completely self-absorbed, worthless parents.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (KZzsI)
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129 I never knew that "generally being a shithead" had a medical diagnosis attached to it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 12:52 PM (AURKQ)
Psychologists can diagnose anything.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 12:52 PM (AURKQ)
Psychologists can diagnose anything.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (7nTlT)
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109 Why did the rocks get divorced?
He wasn't gneiss, and she took him for granite.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (Izzlo)
That's a load of schist. you are igneous of the situation.
He wasn't gneiss, and she took him for granite.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (Izzlo)
That's a load of schist. you are igneous of the situation.
Posted by: Saint Comey of the Drapes at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (CLteG)
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125 Well, the blacks all switched sides after that Magical Night When the Parties Switched in Nineteen Thirtyfortysixtysomething.
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lib history 101, duh
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lib history 101, duh
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (FEQY4)
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> . They think Obama was a huge mistake for the country, but refuse to consider voting for anything other than Dems.
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (WsmTT)
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The Germans would also launch Operation Bodenplatte in an attempt to erase Allied air superiority.
The net result was the loss of the majority of the new pilots Adolph Galland had been husbanding and training up to actually stop the Allied bombing offensive.
For the Allied air units, all they had to do was draw new planes already on hand and give them to their still alive and experienced pilots.
The net result was the loss of the majority of the new pilots Adolph Galland had been husbanding and training up to actually stop the Allied bombing offensive.
For the Allied air units, all they had to do was draw new planes already on hand and give them to their still alive and experienced pilots.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (c1Tot)
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They acknowledge that the country is better off but just can't pull the R lever.
Posted by: Moon howler at December 16, 2019 12:50 PM (WdvDr)
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I understand that old habits can be hard to break. I hope they at least will give equal consideration to not pulling the D lever either.
Maybe you could suggest they read up on Candace Owens?
Posted by: Moon howler at December 16, 2019 12:50 PM (WdvDr)
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I understand that old habits can be hard to break. I hope they at least will give equal consideration to not pulling the D lever either.
Maybe you could suggest they read up on Candace Owens?
Posted by: bluebell at December 16, 2019 12:54 PM (/669Q)
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Golem Greta and Li'l Shitler Hogg are their generation's Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers.
Golem Greta and Li'l Shitler Hogg are their generation's Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 16, 2019 12:54 PM (pNxlR)
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Sheehan is more parallel to this Greta monster's parents than the kid herself:
Both are using their lifeless children as political props.
Both are using their lifeless children as political props.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 12:54 PM (AURKQ)
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Our son in law is black and both of his parents are professionals, one attorney and one physician. They think Obama was a huge mistake for the country, but refuse to consider voting for anything other than Dems.
They acknowledge that the country is better off but just can't pull the R lever.
Posted by: Moon howler
10 years ago, I'd have had a knee-jerk reaction and questioned their intelligence. Now? I really can't say squat.
They acknowledge that the country is better off but just can't pull the R lever.
Posted by: Moon howler
10 years ago, I'd have had a knee-jerk reaction and questioned their intelligence. Now? I really can't say squat.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:54 PM (vc6c9)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:55 PM (c1Tot)
143
From a prior thread
250
245 Adam Housley reported yesterday that FISA abuse appears to go back
much further than the Trump campaign and the earliest he can find is
2009.
Posted by: Bert G at December 16, 2019 09:01 AM (Y+/QX)
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Yeah, that's been my supposition.
That Obama and Holder corrupted the process the second they got a hold of it.
Using that, they were able to bully people like Roberts and Romney into becoming quislings, or at least more quisling-like.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 09:02 AM (q80AH)
Might be necessary to release all the FISA applications since 2008 and see if there is a weird one sided trend that was all just a big series of mistakes that always yielded spying on Barky O'Numnutz's political opponents inside the US.
Cause yeah at this point that is more likely true than not.
250
245 Adam Housley reported yesterday that FISA abuse appears to go back
much further than the Trump campaign and the earliest he can find is
2009.
Posted by: Bert G at December 16, 2019 09:01 AM (Y+/QX)
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Yeah, that's been my supposition.
That Obama and Holder corrupted the process the second they got a hold of it.
Using that, they were able to bully people like Roberts and Romney into becoming quislings, or at least more quisling-like.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 16, 2019 09:02 AM (q80AH)
Might be necessary to release all the FISA applications since 2008 and see if there is a weird one sided trend that was all just a big series of mistakes that always yielded spying on Barky O'Numnutz's political opponents inside the US.
Cause yeah at this point that is more likely true than not.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 16, 2019 12:55 PM (ymnmz)
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10 years ago, I'd have had a knee-jerk reaction and questioned their intelligence. Now? I really can't say squat.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:54 PM (vc6c9)
a "devil-you-know" sort of phenomenon, i suppose?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:54 PM (vc6c9)
a "devil-you-know" sort of phenomenon, i suppose?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 12:55 PM (AURKQ)
145
I'm inclined not to vote Republican, either but I sure as hell won't vote Democrat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 12:55 PM (KZzsI)
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chances are they would have with Kamala (despite not being 100% black)
Nope, not a chance. She was monumentally unpopular with black voters, on account of her being a crooked cop and all.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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Blacks are the ultimate racialists.
It's why they rallied around OJ despite OJ wanting nothing to do with the black community and married to a white woman.
Obama is another good example, that guy had zero connection with the black community except a slight tan. But blacks decided he was one of them.
Kamala was incredibly unlikable, not sure how she'd play in the suburbs, but I think blacks would have eventually supported her more than say an Elizabeth Warren.
Nope, not a chance. She was monumentally unpopular with black voters, on account of her being a crooked cop and all.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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Blacks are the ultimate racialists.
It's why they rallied around OJ despite OJ wanting nothing to do with the black community and married to a white woman.
Obama is another good example, that guy had zero connection with the black community except a slight tan. But blacks decided he was one of them.
Kamala was incredibly unlikable, not sure how she'd play in the suburbs, but I think blacks would have eventually supported her more than say an Elizabeth Warren.
Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2019 12:56 PM (sjTfF)
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She's just a kid pleasing her parents.
It's obvious from that interview posted yesterday.
She doesn't think anymore than any other sixteen year old.
It's obvious from that interview posted yesterday.
She doesn't think anymore than any other sixteen year old.
Posted by: Trunk Mayhem at December 16, 2019 12:56 PM (iEXgF)
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> They would have profited more by pimping her in legitimate theater.
She's not cute enough to be a Hollywood moppet, though I wouldn't be at all surprised if she goes down the Lindsay Lohan/Drew Barrymore road in a few years.
Which reminds me of a description of a "prison wine" recipe made from Koolaid. "It went from sweet and child-like to harsh and alcoholic faster than Lindsay Lohan".
She's not cute enough to be a Hollywood moppet, though I wouldn't be at all surprised if she goes down the Lindsay Lohan/Drew Barrymore road in a few years.
Which reminds me of a description of a "prison wine" recipe made from Koolaid. "It went from sweet and child-like to harsh and alcoholic faster than Lindsay Lohan".
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:56 PM (WsmTT)
Posted by: saf at December 16, 2019 12:56 PM (5IHGB)
150
Adam Housley reported yesterday that FISA abuse appears to go back much further than the Trump campaign and the earliest he can find is 2009.
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Gosh, imagine that.
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Gosh, imagine that.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (byrkf)
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136
> . They think Obama was a huge mistake for the country, but refuse to consider voting for anything other than Dems.
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (WsmTT)
Same here. Relatives, friends, coworkers, fellow parishioners (Catholic)..... Absolutely amazes me and saddens me at the same time.
> . They think Obama was a huge mistake for the country, but refuse to consider voting for anything other than Dems.
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (WsmTT)
Same here. Relatives, friends, coworkers, fellow parishioners (Catholic)..... Absolutely amazes me and saddens me at the same time.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (N39Ws)
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Would you run if you were her?
I see no upside
She lives as a star, she's Blackie Onassis. Why put all that at risk just to have her first full-time job, one which won't have all the traditional illegal methods available for her use?
I see no upside
She lives as a star, she's Blackie Onassis. Why put all that at risk just to have her first full-time job, one which won't have all the traditional illegal methods available for her use?
Posted by: t-bird at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (DCYln)
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> 10 years ago, I'd have had a knee-jerk reaction and questioned their intelligence. Now? I really can't say squat.
For most people it's a religion, not a rational decision.
For most people it's a religion, not a rational decision.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (WsmTT)
154
remember that "absolute moral authority" bullshit with Sheehan back in day?
At least she had a dead kid and grief to lean in on.
This Swedish idiot has literally nothing to base her "authority" on but the relatively small amount of time elapsed since her unfortunate coming into being.
And not being American, but still being White.
Lucky her.
At least she had a dead kid and grief to lean in on.
This Swedish idiot has literally nothing to base her "authority" on but the relatively small amount of time elapsed since her unfortunate coming into being.
And not being American, but still being White.
Lucky her.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (AURKQ)
155
If Greta von Thule took the S-bahn to Buchenwald, would she have learned anything?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (c1Tot)
156
See me @ 82. Bad seed. Clap her in an iron mask and lock her in the basement of a convent. In her case, the old ways are the best ways.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (AzW6q)
83 Greta von Thule
60% parents.
39% school
1% other
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:44 PM (c1Tot)
I'm with you, YD. There's something fundamentally wrong with her. Don't know what it is, but she even looks peculiar, has stunted growth, appears not to have begun puberty yet, and that's just not normal. Her parents have taken a weak-minded individual, provided her with her shtick, wound her up, and unleashed her on the rest of us.
Contrast her with, say, Horst Weasel (David Hogg). In his case, I would subscribe to AP's take, that the problem is largely environmental. He's no stud, God knows, but he doesn't seem fundamentally abnormal, either. He's just a rank opportunist, groomed and propelled northwards by his shitty parents, IMO.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (AzW6q)
83 Greta von Thule
60% parents.
39% school
1% other
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 12:44 PM (c1Tot)
I'm with you, YD. There's something fundamentally wrong with her. Don't know what it is, but she even looks peculiar, has stunted growth, appears not to have begun puberty yet, and that's just not normal. Her parents have taken a weak-minded individual, provided her with her shtick, wound her up, and unleashed her on the rest of us.
Contrast her with, say, Horst Weasel (David Hogg). In his case, I would subscribe to AP's take, that the problem is largely environmental. He's no stud, God knows, but he doesn't seem fundamentally abnormal, either. He's just a rank opportunist, groomed and propelled northwards by his shitty parents, IMO.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (hGXZE)
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136 > . They think Obama was a huge mistake for the country, but refuse to consider voting for anything other than Dems.
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (WsmTT)
So what explains this? I hear this over & over again from different people.
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (WsmTT)
So what explains this? I hear this over & over again from different people.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
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"It's part of the reason why I was a little scared of Kamala Harris. Democrats need monolithic and energetic black support to win. And they got this with Obama, chances are they would have with Kamala (despite not being 100% black)"
Perhaps it is time to actually look at candidates and not just the skin color. Obama talked a good game - it didn't work for me, but not everyone is a good target for the salespitch. Harris has the personality of drywall. She got where she is because of personal connections and running in a one-party state. Put her up against other people and she shows her complete incompetence and lack of charm. That is the danger of trying to reduce everything to a checklist - you get all of your identity groups covered, but you miss the spark that allows a candidate to connect with the voter.
Posted by: Mikey NTH
That, and the fact that she put a shit load of young black men in jail for doing what she did. (Smoke pot)
And the fact that her family were slavers, not slave-ees.
Perhaps it is time to actually look at candidates and not just the skin color. Obama talked a good game - it didn't work for me, but not everyone is a good target for the salespitch. Harris has the personality of drywall. She got where she is because of personal connections and running in a one-party state. Put her up against other people and she shows her complete incompetence and lack of charm. That is the danger of trying to reduce everything to a checklist - you get all of your identity groups covered, but you miss the spark that allows a candidate to connect with the voter.
Posted by: Mikey NTH
That, and the fact that she put a shit load of young black men in jail for doing what she did. (Smoke pot)
And the fact that her family were slavers, not slave-ees.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 12:58 PM (vc6c9)
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Barak say women are indisputably better leaders than men. Sounds like a setup to get the Wookie in the 2024 race.
Posted by: freaked at December 16, 2019 12:58 PM (Tnijr)
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Would you run if you were her?
I see no upside
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I think people also have no illusions about how mentally average both of them are.
I see no upside
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I think people also have no illusions about how mentally average both of them are.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 12:58 PM (byrkf)
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So autism is similar to obscenity?
I can't define it but I know it when I see it.
In practice the problem with conditions such as ADHD or autism is that the definition is vague and mutable, and the range of individuals thusly labeled is quite wide with substantial overlap to the "normal" population. ( I would also include adolescent and pre-adolescent "gender dysphoria" in this category of psychiatric/behavioral conditions.)
So the "if you go to a barber he'll tell you that you need a haircut" principle is applicable. People who specialize in treating these conditions have trouble NOT diagnosing someone as having the condition. So when the hear hoofbeats they don't expect to see a horse, they expect to see a zebra.
I can't define it but I know it when I see it.
In practice the problem with conditions such as ADHD or autism is that the definition is vague and mutable, and the range of individuals thusly labeled is quite wide with substantial overlap to the "normal" population. ( I would also include adolescent and pre-adolescent "gender dysphoria" in this category of psychiatric/behavioral conditions.)
So the "if you go to a barber he'll tell you that you need a haircut" principle is applicable. People who specialize in treating these conditions have trouble NOT diagnosing someone as having the condition. So when the hear hoofbeats they don't expect to see a horse, they expect to see a zebra.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 12:58 PM (m45I2)
162
I'm not just a kid. You forgot that my childhood was stolen.
Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at December 16, 2019 12:58 PM (vtcmf)
163
The party elite have been ignoring the base they purportedly represent for years. Just taking their votes for granite.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019
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Well, the Dems are a bunch of chiselers, so . . .
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2019
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Well, the Dems are a bunch of chiselers, so . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 16, 2019 12:58 PM (Ejm1K)
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116 Sort of need a regional break down for the black support numbers (but that's asking a lot for a sub-group of a sub-group sampling) to confirm how important this might be.
If the swing to Trump is uniform across states, then it would basically be game over for Democrats. But if it's mainly concentrated in non-battleground safe GOP southern states (and/or safe Dem states like NY and CA), then it matters less.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (hdzef)
I DO suspect the Black Voters turning rightward are concentrated in places now rather Republican already, like the South and often rural South at that. The ones in Northern and Western inner cities are mired in the victim and Marxist ideology. Mike Huckabee according to polls was one GOP candidate who DID do remarkably well with African Americans, but again, that is Arkansas.
If the swing to Trump is uniform across states, then it would basically be game over for Democrats. But if it's mainly concentrated in non-battleground safe GOP southern states (and/or safe Dem states like NY and CA), then it matters less.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 16, 2019 12:49 PM (hdzef)
I DO suspect the Black Voters turning rightward are concentrated in places now rather Republican already, like the South and often rural South at that. The ones in Northern and Western inner cities are mired in the victim and Marxist ideology. Mike Huckabee according to polls was one GOP candidate who DID do remarkably well with African Americans, but again, that is Arkansas.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 12:58 PM (ujg0T)
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Perhaps it is time to actually look at candidates and not just the skin color.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (hLRSq)
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A novel idea, eh?
I grew up (like probably everyone here) thinking that was what we were supposed to do. It wasn't until Obama was the Democrat candidate for president that I learned that skin color was THE issue for that year and you didn't want to be "on the wrong side of history."
*as I type from a bench here on the wrong side of history
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (hLRSq)
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A novel idea, eh?
I grew up (like probably everyone here) thinking that was what we were supposed to do. It wasn't until Obama was the Democrat candidate for president that I learned that skin color was THE issue for that year and you didn't want to be "on the wrong side of history."
*as I type from a bench here on the wrong side of history
Posted by: bluebell at December 16, 2019 12:59 PM (/669Q)
166
She lives as a star, she's Blackie Onassis. Why put all that at risk just to have her first full-time job, one which won't have all the traditional illegal methods available for her use?
Posted by: t-bird at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (DCYln)
"Blackie Onassis" was the name of the drummer for Urge Overkill
Posted by: t-bird at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (DCYln)
"Blackie Onassis" was the name of the drummer for Urge Overkill
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:59 PM (Izzlo)
167
So what explains this? I hear this over & over again from different people.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
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The "republican men" syndrome.
If their's are bad, imagine how much worse a Republican would be.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
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The "republican men" syndrome.
If their's are bad, imagine how much worse a Republican would be.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 12:59 PM (byrkf)
168
This Swedish idiot has literally nothing to base her "authority" on but the relatively small amount of time elapsed since her unfortunate coming into being.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (AURKQ)
Yep. The only thing she's said that I agree with: "I should be in school ..."
Yep. You should.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (AURKQ)
Yep. The only thing she's said that I agree with: "I should be in school ..."
Yep. You should.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:59 PM (hGXZE)
169
Thanks for posting the news about Fiorina. I think that's important to highlight. She's a fraud, which I was always concerned about. Sad to see support impeachment, but it's lovely to see that she's mangled HER FACE!
Posted by: Draki at December 16, 2019 01:00 PM (ULeWC)
170
"Anyone seen Camera Hogg?"
HE went to Harvard.
HE went to Harvard.
Posted by: freaked at December 16, 2019 01:00 PM (Tnijr)
171
Perhaps it is time to actually look at candidates and not just the skin color.
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Political principles are only skin deep. Skin color goes all the way to the bone. /s
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Political principles are only skin deep. Skin color goes all the way to the bone. /s
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:00 PM (m45I2)
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157 136 > . They think Obama was a huge mistake for the country, but refuse to consider voting for anything other than Dems.
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (WsmTT)
So what explains this? I hear this over over again from different people.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
Have you ever followed sports?
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (WsmTT)
So what explains this? I hear this over over again from different people.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
Have you ever followed sports?
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:00 PM (7nTlT)
173
143
Might be necessary to release all the FISA
applications since 2008 and see if there is a weird one sided trend that
was all just a big series of mistakes that always yielded spying on
Barky O'Numnutz's political opponents inside the US.
Cause yeah at this point that is more likely true than not.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 16, 2019 12:55 PM (ymnmz)
With the FISA process, we allowed the government to circumvent our Constitutional protections. FISA gave them tremendous power. One doesn't need to be better than a D+ student of human behavior to see that it would be abused in short order.
Might be necessary to release all the FISA
applications since 2008 and see if there is a weird one sided trend that
was all just a big series of mistakes that always yielded spying on
Barky O'Numnutz's political opponents inside the US.
Cause yeah at this point that is more likely true than not.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 16, 2019 12:55 PM (ymnmz)
With the FISA process, we allowed the government to circumvent our Constitutional protections. FISA gave them tremendous power. One doesn't need to be better than a D+ student of human behavior to see that it would be abused in short order.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:00 PM (N39Ws)
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109 Why did the rocks get divorced?
He wasn't gneiss, and she took him for granite.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (Izzlo)
That's a load of schist. you are igneous of the situation.
Posted by: Saint Comey of the Drapes at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (CLteG)
..........
I shale take his word for it.
He wasn't gneiss, and she took him for granite.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:48 PM (Izzlo)
That's a load of schist. you are igneous of the situation.
Posted by: Saint Comey of the Drapes at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (CLteG)
..........
I shale take his word for it.
Posted by: Gurta's obstetrician at December 16, 2019 01:00 PM (v0R5T)
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Sheehan's downfall came when she started spouting anti-Semitism. Up till then, the Absolute Moral Authority shielded her from the ever-increasing crazytalk.
When I saw the Gretard's "Up against the wall" quote, my first thought was, "will this be her Sheehan Gets Memory-Holed moment"?
When I saw the Gretard's "Up against the wall" quote, my first thought was, "will this be her Sheehan Gets Memory-Holed moment"?
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:00 PM (H9cB7)
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Cindy Sheehan's downfall started when she managed to get Al Sharpton and David Duke to support her.
Yeesh.
Yeesh.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 01:01 PM (c1Tot)
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Yep, Battle of the Bulge.
Grandpa was part of the 25th cavalry and he was in the BOTB. Reading over his Army discharge papers, I think he may have been a scout ?
I only know he was wounded there- shrapnel in the arm, head & back. Not like John f***ing Kerry or the fat-fi*k Lt Colonal, but wounded in the way you really earn a Purple Heart, which he did.
he was shipped to an English hospital to recover., from what I can remember hearing.
Grandpa never really talked about it.
I would love to know more but everyone from our family who would know anything more is dead.
Grandpa was part of the 25th cavalry and he was in the BOTB. Reading over his Army discharge papers, I think he may have been a scout ?
I only know he was wounded there- shrapnel in the arm, head & back. Not like John f***ing Kerry or the fat-fi*k Lt Colonal, but wounded in the way you really earn a Purple Heart, which he did.
he was shipped to an English hospital to recover., from what I can remember hearing.
Grandpa never really talked about it.
I would love to know more but everyone from our family who would know anything more is dead.
Posted by: Marybeth at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (CmURZ)
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175 Sheehan's downfall came when she started spouting anti-Semitism. Up till then, the Absolute Moral Authority shielded her from the ever-increasing crazytalk.
When I saw the Gretard's "Up against the wall" quote, my first thought was, "will this be her Sheehan Gets Memory-Holed moment"?
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:00 PM (H9cB7)
li'l Shitler did the same thing, right? I forget what he said or did, but i remember he definitely had a bad outing one day and pretty much disappeared after that....
When I saw the Gretard's "Up against the wall" quote, my first thought was, "will this be her Sheehan Gets Memory-Holed moment"?
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:00 PM (H9cB7)
li'l Shitler did the same thing, right? I forget what he said or did, but i remember he definitely had a bad outing one day and pretty much disappeared after that....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: Trunk Mayhem at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (iEXgF)
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But the root cause of her problem is that she is a bad seed. They exist and she is one of them. Just rotten to the core. . . .
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019
*
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Cathy the "monster" from Steinbeck's East of Eden
Rhoda from The Bad Seed
Greta
She's in great company.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019
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Cathy the "monster" from Steinbeck's East of Eden
Rhoda from The Bad Seed
Greta
She's in great company.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (Ejm1K)
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157 136 > . They think Obama was a huge mistake for the country, but refuse to consider voting for anything other than Dems.
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (WsmTT)
So what explains this? I hear this over over again from different people.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
I think they view voting D as essential for keeping their paychecks and livilhood. A lot of union guys are like this. They're different socially, but they prioritize what they view as economically advantageous for them.
I've got older relatives like that.
Hate gun control.
Don't like illegal aliens.
Think abortion is murder.
Do not want mentally ill men in the locker room with their granddaughters.
Vote D every election.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:53 PM (WsmTT)
So what explains this? I hear this over over again from different people.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
I think they view voting D as essential for keeping their paychecks and livilhood. A lot of union guys are like this. They're different socially, but they prioritize what they view as economically advantageous for them.
Posted by: Draki at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (ULeWC)
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I'm inclined not to vote Republican, either but I sure as hell won't vote Democrat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 12:55 PM (KZzsI)
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Yeah, that's one of the things that gets me about Dem voters. I turned my back on the GOP for being disingenuous Uniparty liars who weren't really conservative.
That's bad. But it doesn't stack up at all to Democrats, who are honest, but also are singleminded, madly driven power-demons who have made it clear that they'll never stop until they achieve absolute power.
I don't expect Dems to suddenly cross the aisle vote for Trump. But how any of them could look upon the monstrous thing their Party has become and continue enabling it is beyond me.
I'm inclined not to vote Republican, either but I sure as hell won't vote Democrat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 12:55 PM (KZzsI)
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Yeah, that's one of the things that gets me about Dem voters. I turned my back on the GOP for being disingenuous Uniparty liars who weren't really conservative.
That's bad. But it doesn't stack up at all to Democrats, who are honest, but also are singleminded, madly driven power-demons who have made it clear that they'll never stop until they achieve absolute power.
I don't expect Dems to suddenly cross the aisle vote for Trump. But how any of them could look upon the monstrous thing their Party has become and continue enabling it is beyond me.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (AzW6q)
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Imagine the opportunity the parent company of CNN has right now...
What if there was a board of directors at AT&T/Time Warner who were interested in making money and creating a trusted media platform? CNN is sliding downhill and isn't performing to it's potential, but it would be next to impossible to re-brand the network to be trusted and incredibly expensive replacing the "talent".
Using the IG report, a new CEO of CNN could fire the entire front end (talent and producers) for cause - eliminating the need to buy out contracts - and replace everyone with unknowns.
CNN could play it as a "come to Jesus" moment, where the Time Warner people claim they just discovered the lies and bias throughout CNN and that they are starting a "fair and balanced" organization from scratch.
The network would have enormous ratings immediately while having to pay next to nothing for a few years while the new talent sorted itself out. All they would have to do is be meticulously straight for a few years to cement the new image. Of course, liberal bias will eventually find it's way back in.
However, for a good while, CNN would be the gold standard for unbias reporting.
What if there was a board of directors at AT&T/Time Warner who were interested in making money and creating a trusted media platform? CNN is sliding downhill and isn't performing to it's potential, but it would be next to impossible to re-brand the network to be trusted and incredibly expensive replacing the "talent".
Using the IG report, a new CEO of CNN could fire the entire front end (talent and producers) for cause - eliminating the need to buy out contracts - and replace everyone with unknowns.
CNN could play it as a "come to Jesus" moment, where the Time Warner people claim they just discovered the lies and bias throughout CNN and that they are starting a "fair and balanced" organization from scratch.
The network would have enormous ratings immediately while having to pay next to nothing for a few years while the new talent sorted itself out. All they would have to do is be meticulously straight for a few years to cement the new image. Of course, liberal bias will eventually find it's way back in.
However, for a good while, CNN would be the gold standard for unbias reporting.
Posted by: jwest at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (U6f/q)
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A friend of ours (with a kid who is much worse off mentally than ours) told me she has grown to accept a simple standard:
If your child is capable of one day moving out and living on his own, he probably should be called something other than autistic.
If your child is capable of one day moving out and living on his own, he probably should be called something other than autistic.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (byrkf)
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sidebar: THAT FACE: Carly Fiorina says it's absolutely "vital" to impeach Trump, with that face
It's absolutely vital that Carly Farina eat a bag of dicks. With that face.
It's absolutely vital that Carly Farina eat a bag of dicks. With that face.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (H9cB7)
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> In practice the problem with conditions such as ADHD or autism is that the definition is vague and mutable
While the definition may be vague, no one even with even a slight degree of autism is going to be making speeches to the UN General Assembly.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
While the definition may be vague, no one even with even a slight degree of autism is going to be making speeches to the UN General Assembly.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 01:03 PM (WsmTT)
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She's just a kid.
She should be separated from her parents and
they should flogged.
Posted by: Trunk Mayhem at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (iEXgF)
She's 17
She's just a kid.
She should be separated from her parents and
they should flogged.
Posted by: Trunk Mayhem at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (iEXgF)
She's 17
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:03 PM (N39Ws)
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Did Fiorina go to Hillary's plastic surgeon. Not clicking to find out, got lunch to think about.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 01:03 PM (c1Tot)
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185 sidebar: THAT FACE: Carly Fiorina says it's absolutely "vital" to impeach Trump, with that face
It's absolutely vital that Carly Farina eat a bag of dicks. With that face.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (H9cB7)
She's so vain, she probably thinks this bag of dicks is about her.
It's absolutely vital that Carly Farina eat a bag of dicks. With that face.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (H9cB7)
She's so vain, she probably thinks this bag of dicks is about her.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 16, 2019 01:04 PM (AURKQ)
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So what explains this? I hear this over & over again from different people.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
The media have been successful in ingraining in people minds that
Republicans=MEAN
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
The media have been successful in ingraining in people minds that
Republicans=MEAN
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 01:04 PM (CqE5x)
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Contrast her with, say, Horst Weasel (David Hogg). In his case, I would subscribe to AP's take, that the problem is largely environmental. He's no stud, God knows, but he doesn't seem fundamentally abnormal, either. He's just a rank opportunist, groomed and propelled northwards by his shitty parents, IMO.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
And like I said, it's 100% on the parents. Because until the kid turns 18, they are 100% responsible for the child.
Loving, caring parents would not trot out an autistic child on the world's stage to be ridiculed.
My parents sure as hell wouldn't have let me ship my sophomore year in high school traipsing around the world.
A loving and caring parent would not have allowed fetal alcohol syndrome happen.
So yeah, it's all on the parents.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
And like I said, it's 100% on the parents. Because until the kid turns 18, they are 100% responsible for the child.
Loving, caring parents would not trot out an autistic child on the world's stage to be ridiculed.
My parents sure as hell wouldn't have let me ship my sophomore year in high school traipsing around the world.
A loving and caring parent would not have allowed fetal alcohol syndrome happen.
So yeah, it's all on the parents.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 01:04 PM (vc6c9)
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184 A friend of ours (with a kid who is much worse off mentally than ours) told me she has grown to accept a simple standard:
If your child is capable of one day moving out and living on his own, he probably should be called something other than autistic.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (byrkf)
Asperger's is the mild version.
If your child is capable of one day moving out and living on his own, he probably should be called something other than autistic.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (byrkf)
Asperger's is the mild version.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:04 PM (7nTlT)
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Greta von Thule would be perfect in Taming of the Shrew
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 01:04 PM (c1Tot)
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What's wrong with Carly's face!
Posted by: Trade Federation Officer at December 16, 2019 01:04 PM (ULeWC)
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108 Once you meet a person who is actually autistic you'll say "Oh, so *that's* what it means."
Greta might have some sensory issues combined with being raised poorly, but I'm not too worried about her autism diagnosis.
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It's a cover to deflect any criticism. "Why are you picking on an Autistic?" "Why are you picking on the handicapped?"
As someone commented on another post, if you want to play in the big leagues, expect big league push back.
I think she's a hate filled monster, who if given the chance would "Cleanse" the earth of those not true to her cause.
Greta might have some sensory issues combined with being raised poorly, but I'm not too worried about her autism diagnosis.
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It's a cover to deflect any criticism. "Why are you picking on an Autistic?" "Why are you picking on the handicapped?"
As someone commented on another post, if you want to play in the big leagues, expect big league push back.
I think she's a hate filled monster, who if given the chance would "Cleanse" the earth of those not true to her cause.
Posted by: Groundhog at December 16, 2019 01:05 PM (VYwSh)
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THAT FACE: Carly Fiorina says it's absolutely "vital" to impeach Trump, with that face
It's absolutely vital that Carly Farina eat a bag of dicks. With that face.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (H9cB7)
That face, indeed. She looks like a character in a Dick Tracy comic. Or Popeye.
It's absolutely vital that Carly Farina eat a bag of dicks. With that face.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (H9cB7)
That face, indeed. She looks like a character in a Dick Tracy comic. Or Popeye.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Purveyor of Locally Sourced artisinal Hogwash at December 16, 2019 01:05 PM (xPJvm)
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sidebar: THAT FACE: Carly Fiorina says it's absolutely "vital" to impeach Trump, with that face
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And what is her standing?
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And what is her standing?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 01:05 PM (CqE5x)
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The people I know who just happen to be black largely share the same views on many of those issues. It's like we neglect to realize that, and believe they will continue to vote for Dems irrespective and against their own self interests. That in and of itself seems very presumptive.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy
It's been a pretty safe bet so far.
The people I know who just happen to be black largely share the same views on many of those issues. It's like we neglect to realize that, and believe they will continue to vote for Dems irrespective and against their own self interests. That in and of itself seems very presumptive.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy
It's been a pretty safe bet so far.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 16, 2019 01:05 PM (aKsyK)
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> A lot of union guys are like this.
A lot of union guys USED to be like that. Not so much any more.
Funny, if you tell coal miners that you're going to close down all the coal mines, and factory workers that you're going to do yet another "trade deal" that causes even more of their jobs to go overseas, they will stop voting for you.
Obviously this is because of "racism". It's the only possible explanation.
A lot of union guys USED to be like that. Not so much any more.
Funny, if you tell coal miners that you're going to close down all the coal mines, and factory workers that you're going to do yet another "trade deal" that causes even more of their jobs to go overseas, they will stop voting for you.
Obviously this is because of "racism". It's the only possible explanation.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 01:05 PM (WsmTT)
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So what explains this? I hear this over & over again from different people.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
Hatred. They are brainwashed to HATE R's and conservatives.
It's reinforced every day through the media and Hollywood tv shows. The religious and every day Americans are always portrayed as crazy and evil.
Liberals have mastered the 1984 playbook.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (Izzlo)
Hatred. They are brainwashed to HATE R's and conservatives.
It's reinforced every day through the media and Hollywood tv shows. The religious and every day Americans are always portrayed as crazy and evil.
Liberals have mastered the 1984 playbook.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 16, 2019 01:05 PM (nNEcr)
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sidebar: THAT FACE: Carly Fiorina says it's absolutely "vital" to impeach Trump, with that face
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And what is her standing?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 01:05 PM (CqE5x)
She's for impeachment and the prequels.
She should be purged.
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And what is her standing?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2019 01:05 PM (CqE5x)
She's for impeachment and the prequels.
She should be purged.
Posted by: Trade Federation Officer at December 16, 2019 01:06 PM (ULeWC)
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Grandpa never really talked about it.
I would love to know more but everyone from our family who would know anything more is dead.
The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past and lives until its too late.
I would love to know more but everyone from our family who would know anything more is dead.
The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past and lives until its too late.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:06 PM (KZzsI)
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121 Greta is like clock-boy...another liberal human shield we're supposed to obey without ever daring to question her. fuck that shit.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (FEQY4)
Like "Mother Sheehan." Now we've got "Daughter Cabbage Patch."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Not sure who coined the phrase "Mascot of the Anointed" but it sure fits this kid.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 16, 2019 12:45 PM (FEQY4)
Like "Mother Sheehan." Now we've got "Daughter Cabbage Patch."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Not sure who coined the phrase "Mascot of the Anointed" but it sure fits this kid.
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 16, 2019 01:06 PM (vN4+Q)
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A friend of ours (with a kid who is much worse off mentally than ours) told me she has grown to accept a simple standard:
If your child is capable of one day moving out and living on his own, he probably should be called something other than autistic.
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Asperger's is the mild version.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:04 PM (7nTlT)
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I suspect that's her point. Autism doesn't have a "mild" setting.
If your child is capable of one day moving out and living on his own, he probably should be called something other than autistic.
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Asperger's is the mild version.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:04 PM (7nTlT)
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I suspect that's her point. Autism doesn't have a "mild" setting.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 01:07 PM (byrkf)
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But Dorking Dorker said it's unpossible for Two Scoops to get more black votes than Soul Brother #1 Mutt Rombley.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 16, 2019 01:07 PM (y7DUB)
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202
Grandpa never really talked about it.
I would love to know more but everyone from our family who would know anything more is dead.
The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:06 PM (KZzsI)
So true. One of my biggest regrets in life.
Grandpa never really talked about it.
I would love to know more but everyone from our family who would know anything more is dead.
The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:06 PM (KZzsI)
So true. One of my biggest regrets in life.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:07 PM (N39Ws)
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Big Mike is more Mike than Bloomberg will ever be.
Posted by: klaftern at December 16, 2019 01:07 PM (RuIsu)
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So Carly Fiorina piped up? How telling. Carly Fironia ran Hewlett Packard into the ground, and backed the awful open "top two" primary systems California now has. She is anti-Trump too? Not surprising. She was apparently a Demunist Commiecrat plant.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 01:08 PM (ujg0T)
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187 179
She's just a kid.
She should be separated from her parents and
they should flogged.
Posted by: Trunk Mayhem at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (iEXgF)
She's 17
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:03 PM (N39Ws)
Oh really?
She's just a kid.
She should be separated from her parents and
they should flogged.
Posted by: Trunk Mayhem at December 16, 2019 01:02 PM (iEXgF)
She's 17
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:03 PM (N39Ws)
Oh really?
Posted by: Kip Winger at December 16, 2019 01:08 PM (Izzlo)
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She's just a kid.
She should be separated from her parents and
they should flogged.
Posted by: Trunk Mayhem
She's 17
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Per wiki, age of majority in Sweden is 20. Minors can be emancipated at 18.
She doesn't qualify.
She should be separated from her parents and
they should flogged.
Posted by: Trunk Mayhem
She's 17
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Per wiki, age of majority in Sweden is 20. Minors can be emancipated at 18.
She doesn't qualify.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 01:09 PM (vc6c9)
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I've got some droid parts that'll muzzle her and cover up that horrid face.
Posted by: Trade Federation Officer at December 16, 2019 01:09 PM (ULeWC)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 01:09 PM (c1Tot)
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The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:06 PM (KZzsI)
So true. One of my biggest regrets in life.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:07 PM (N39Ws)
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Don't be filled with regret - a lot of times these guys don't want to talk about it. My FIL was a combat Marine in Korea and has refused all these years to say a word about it. Just won't talk about it.
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:06 PM (KZzsI)
So true. One of my biggest regrets in life.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:07 PM (N39Ws)
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Don't be filled with regret - a lot of times these guys don't want to talk about it. My FIL was a combat Marine in Korea and has refused all these years to say a word about it. Just won't talk about it.
Posted by: bluebell at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (/669Q)
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The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
******
On another forum I heard an interesting assertion. That is, that most people do not know first and last name of their great grandparents.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
******
On another forum I heard an interesting assertion. That is, that most people do not know first and last name of their great grandparents.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I2)
215
Carly has the hots for Pierre.
Posted by: Gurta's obstetrician at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (v0R5T)
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208 So Carly Fiorina piped up? How telling. Carly Fironia ran Hewlett Packard into the ground, and backed the awful open "top two" primary systems California now has. She is anti-Trump too? Not surprising. She was apparently a Demunist Commiecrat plant.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 01:08 PM (ujg0T)
Hope Trump shoves H-P into Carly's face.
With a mean tweet.
But maybe not - that's an impeachable offense, you know.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 01:08 PM (ujg0T)
Hope Trump shoves H-P into Carly's face.
With a mean tweet.
But maybe not - that's an impeachable offense, you know.
Posted by: Marybeth at December 16, 2019 01:11 PM (CmURZ)
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212 Greta von Thule is 17 looking all of 12.
There is something else wrong with her genetically you an see it in her physical appearance - unless she looks just like her parents then it's just familial unattractiveness to deter breeding.
Her behaviors are more a manifestation of her OCD.
There is something else wrong with her genetically you an see it in her physical appearance - unless she looks just like her parents then it's just familial unattractiveness to deter breeding.
Her behaviors are more a manifestation of her OCD.
Posted by: batterup at December 16, 2019 01:11 PM (K4I9O)
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214 The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
******
On another forum I heard an interesting assertion. That is, that most people do not know first and last name of their great grandparents.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I2)
My maternal grandparents died before I was born, and I barely remember my paternal grandparents, they died when I was young
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
******
On another forum I heard an interesting assertion. That is, that most people do not know first and last name of their great grandparents.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I2)
My maternal grandparents died before I was born, and I barely remember my paternal grandparents, they died when I was young
Posted by: Kip Winger at December 16, 2019 01:11 PM (Izzlo)
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We had an Asperger diagnosee in our scout troop. Golem Greta's behavior and demeanor in no way matches what was his. That "She's an Asperger Syndrome child" is being used in her case is an attempt to grant her a "Get Out of Jail Free" card.
We had an Asperger diagnosee in our scout troop. Golem Greta's behavior and demeanor in no way matches what was his. That "She's an Asperger Syndrome child" is being used in her case is an attempt to grant her a "Get Out of Jail Free" card.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 16, 2019 01:11 PM (pNxlR)
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Too late to talk about the thread topic, looks like, so what's hot, Horde?
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 01:12 PM (90T4r)
221
Oh really?
Posted by: Kip Winger at December 16, 2019 01:08 PM (Izzlo)
"Yey I saw your carbon footprint size, from the corner of my eye"
Posted by: Kip Winger at December 16, 2019 01:08 PM (Izzlo)
"Yey I saw your carbon footprint size, from the corner of my eye"
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 16, 2019 01:12 PM (5l6gb)
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Greta...why not Spiderman
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (vxj1+)
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6-12% of Dems will vote for DJT and never tell anyone. Not even their pinko leaning spouse and in-laws. Some of those folks are actually in the 6-12% anyway.
Posted by: klaftern at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (RuIsu)
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220 Too late to talk about the thread topic, looks like, so what's hot, Horde?
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 01:12 PM (90T4r)
The planet is hot! HOW DARE YOU?!?
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 01:12 PM (90T4r)
The planet is hot! HOW DARE YOU?!?
Posted by: Greta Van Thunderbird at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (Izzlo)
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On another forum I heard an interesting assertion. That is, that most people do not know first and last name of their great grandparents.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon
Have an uncle who is deep into genealogy.
He has our family tree back to the 1700's. Both sides of my mom & dad.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon
Have an uncle who is deep into genealogy.
He has our family tree back to the 1700's. Both sides of my mom & dad.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (vc6c9)
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I need to wait for a comment from Ana Navarro.
Posted by: N.L. Urker Philips Screwdriver of the Gods at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (Uu+Jp)
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You suppose Greta only eats white food, maybe, or counts the rice grains before dining?
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (90T4r)
228
Biden/Thuneberg 2020 - Hansy and Greta
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (5l6gb)
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The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past and lives until its too late.
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Christmas present for everyone you know:
To Our Children's Children
https://tinyurl.com/snu7t5s
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Christmas present for everyone you know:
To Our Children's Children
https://tinyurl.com/snu7t5s
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (byrkf)
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That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I2)
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Off the top of my head I know I know 3 of the 8, and I might be able to come up with two more, but you're right, I don't know them all.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I2)
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Off the top of my head I know I know 3 of the 8, and I might be able to come up with two more, but you're right, I don't know them all.
Posted by: bluebell at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (/669Q)
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The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past and lives until its too late.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019
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Being a kid, too. My mother was almost old enough to have been my grandmother; when I was born, she was 37. She told me lots of stories about growing up in western Canada in the '20s and Florida in the late '20s, and in New Orleans when she came here for nursing school in the '30s. I loved the stories. But now I wish I'd known more, so I could have asked her more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019
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Being a kid, too. My mother was almost old enough to have been my grandmother; when I was born, she was 37. She told me lots of stories about growing up in western Canada in the '20s and Florida in the late '20s, and in New Orleans when she came here for nursing school in the '30s. I loved the stories. But now I wish I'd known more, so I could have asked her more.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (Ejm1K)
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Great, now I have that 1 hit wonder Winger song in my head. I think they had 2 hits but whatever.
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (vN4+Q)
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I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon
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I know past great-great
Posted by: Muldoon
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I know past great-great
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (YslsA)
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Greta von Thule is 17 looking all of 12.
But even Roman Polanski is saying "no thanks!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 01:09 PM (c1Tot)
You know, if Greta did feel violated by one of the powerful left and brought it up.... then maybe they'd muzzle her.... Anyone hear much from Rose McGowan these days?
But even Roman Polanski is saying "no thanks!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 16, 2019 01:09 PM (c1Tot)
You know, if Greta did feel violated by one of the powerful left and brought it up.... then maybe they'd muzzle her.... Anyone hear much from Rose McGowan these days?
Posted by: Trade Federation Officer at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (ULeWC)
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How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon
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I know them (on my father's side) from the late 1600's.
Posted by: Muldoon
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I know them (on my father's side) from the late 1600's.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (xSo9G)
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Her behaviors are more a manifestation of her OCD.
Posted by: batterup
If she doesn't claim it as CDO, then she isn't OCD.
Posted by: batterup
If she doesn't claim it as CDO, then she isn't OCD.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (vc6c9)
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226 I need to wait for a comment from Ana Navarro.
Posted by: N.L. Urker Philips Screwdriver of the Gods at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (Uu+Jp)
It might be hard for her to talk with an apple in her mouth and being spit roasted.
Posted by: N.L. Urker Philips Screwdriver of the Gods at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (Uu+Jp)
It might be hard for her to talk with an apple in her mouth and being spit roasted.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (ujg0T)
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Turnout. Turnout. Turnout
For blacks it will be way down
Trump will get better Deplorable turnout
For blacks it will be way down
Trump will get better Deplorable turnout
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (JIhCV)
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Too late to talk about the thread topic, looks like, so what's hot, Horde?
Posted by: tubal
******
Hey. Don't be a defeatist. Be bold. Be daring. Buck the trend. Start a new radical movement. Comment on topic after 200 comments. What do you have to lose?
Posted by: tubal
******
Hey. Don't be a defeatist. Be bold. Be daring. Buck the trend. Start a new radical movement. Comment on topic after 200 comments. What do you have to lose?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (m45I2)
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142 Speaking of dropped hot topics...
Anyone seen Camera Hogg?
He was on Twitter going on about how he made a "ban the bomb" symbol out guns destroyed in a gun buyback program.
The centerpiece of which was an Airsoft AK 47. There was also a novelty knife and a couple of clapped put Saturday Night Specials.
I called him an ignorant slut and the little bitch reported me.
Anyone seen Camera Hogg?
He was on Twitter going on about how he made a "ban the bomb" symbol out guns destroyed in a gun buyback program.
The centerpiece of which was an Airsoft AK 47. There was also a novelty knife and a couple of clapped put Saturday Night Specials.
I called him an ignorant slut and the little bitch reported me.
Posted by: akornzombie at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (UyYfp)
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I don't understand how Greta got her status. Does anyone know?
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (QE8X6)
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Don't be filled with regret - a lot of times these guys don't want to
talk about it. My FIL was a combat Marine in Korea and has refused all
these years to say a word about it. Just won't talk about it.
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My grandfather was WWI vet with bullet scars and emphysema. The scars were from 'the indians' and his other illnesses were 'because I'm old'. For a while, I was truly convinced that he was out in the wild west like TV and those scars were going to produce an arrow point.
Generational difference: not talking about painful things was letting it heal. I do think that the constant picking at sores, emotional or physical, is not helpful.
talk about it. My FIL was a combat Marine in Korea and has refused all
these years to say a word about it. Just won't talk about it.
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My grandfather was WWI vet with bullet scars and emphysema. The scars were from 'the indians' and his other illnesses were 'because I'm old'. For a while, I was truly convinced that he was out in the wild west like TV and those scars were going to produce an arrow point.
Generational difference: not talking about painful things was letting it heal. I do think that the constant picking at sores, emotional or physical, is not helpful.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (MIKMs)
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64 > AOSHQ Survey: What percentage of Greta's behavior can be attributed to:
> 1. Autism
She does NOT have autism. They're only saying that because Hollywood has promoted the myth that people with autism are SOOPAR JEENIUSES ("savants", in the jargon), which is not true, in general. Some are, of course, but most aren't. In any case, it's irrelevant in her case because she DOES NOT HAVE AUTISM.
I know a fair number of people with autism, and am quite familiar with the clinical signs. She doesn't have it.
What she does appear to have is a selection from the Cluster B menu.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (WsmTT)
Take a look at the Mayo Clinic's menu for Cluster B. You could throw half a dozen darts at it and come up with a high score for her clinical expressions.
> 1. Autism
She does NOT have autism. They're only saying that because Hollywood has promoted the myth that people with autism are SOOPAR JEENIUSES ("savants", in the jargon), which is not true, in general. Some are, of course, but most aren't. In any case, it's irrelevant in her case because she DOES NOT HAVE AUTISM.
I know a fair number of people with autism, and am quite familiar with the clinical signs. She doesn't have it.
What she does appear to have is a selection from the Cluster B menu.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 12:41 PM (WsmTT)
Take a look at the Mayo Clinic's menu for Cluster B. You could throw half a dozen darts at it and come up with a high score for her clinical expressions.
Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (377Zs)
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All my ancestors were horse thieves, or highwaymen. Probably. I have never investigated too closely.
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (90T4r)
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Let us not forget LBJ's gloat. It would appear he was right.
Posted by: creeper at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (XxJt1)
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If she doesn't claim it as CDO, then she isn't OCD.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (vc6c9)
lol!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 01:14 PM (vc6c9)
lol!
Posted by: batterup at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (K4I9O)
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How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon
My mom's lineage goes back to the 1600's - Lord Whitebread of Middlesex.
Mediocre for half of a millennium.
Posted by: Muldoon
My mom's lineage goes back to the 1600's - Lord Whitebread of Middlesex.
Mediocre for half of a millennium.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (5l6gb)
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So wait.. The Dems are adding wire fraud and bribery after the vote was taken? And mumbling about jail time now? This is never gonna end... Even if Trump is re-elected
Posted by: It's me donna at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (6XlcD)
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Kip Winger is actually a very good musician. I believe I heard once that he friggin' hates that stupid song they did. The band actually did a very good album called "Pull" in the early 90s. Had it on cassette.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Purveyor of Locally Sourced artisinal Hogwash at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (xPJvm)
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I don't understand how Greta got her status. Does anyone know?
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (QE8X6)
She sprung out of Zeus's stomach fully formed.
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (QE8X6)
She sprung out of Zeus's stomach fully formed.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (aS1PU)
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I know great-great on both sides.
Wasn't easy on my dad's side. They were from a tiny, impoverished mountain village in Calabria, and they came over very early, just after the War Between the States, before the Ellis Island records were kept. Even found a picture of my great-great grandfather in his old age, taken in America.
Wasn't easy on my dad's side. They were from a tiny, impoverished mountain village in Calabria, and they came over very early, just after the War Between the States, before the Ellis Island records were kept. Even found a picture of my great-great grandfather in his old age, taken in America.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (H9cB7)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (6XlcD)
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229 The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past and lives until its too late.
--
Christmas present for everyone you know:
To Our Children's Children
https://tinyurl.com/snu7t5s
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (byrkf)
Now I have that Moody Blues album in my head. Shows where my brain has been I suppose.
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Christmas present for everyone you know:
To Our Children's Children
https://tinyurl.com/snu7t5s
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 01:13 PM (byrkf)
Now I have that Moody Blues album in my head. Shows where my brain has been I suppose.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (ujg0T)
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My grandpa was interviewed about his experiences in WWII and Korea as part of a project I think associated with the VFW. I have a copy of that on DVD. He was wounded and saw the end of WWII in a hospital. He was one of the first into Korea as he was in stationed in Hawaii at the time. There are lots of things in the video that he never mentioned around us, and I'm glad someone took the time to make it.
Posted by: freaked at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (Tnijr)
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But now I wish I'd known more, so I could have asked her more.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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So many questions that I might have asked my grandparents, if I had been thoughtful enough to do so.
So many things I might have learned, in just a few moments of conversation...now I'll never know. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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So many questions that I might have asked my grandparents, if I had been thoughtful enough to do so.
So many things I might have learned, in just a few moments of conversation...now I'll never know. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (xSo9G)
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249
Kip Winger is actually a very good musician. I believe I heard once that
he friggin' hates that stupid song they did. The band actually did a
very good album called "Pull" in the early 90s. Had it on cassette.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Purveyor of Locally Sourced artisinal Hogwash at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (xPJvm)
At one point wasn't he bassist for Ozzy?
Kip Winger is actually a very good musician. I believe I heard once that
he friggin' hates that stupid song they did. The band actually did a
very good album called "Pull" in the early 90s. Had it on cassette.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Purveyor of Locally Sourced artisinal Hogwash at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (xPJvm)
At one point wasn't he bassist for Ozzy?
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (5l6gb)
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How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon
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Funny, this ties back to the topic. I was talking to a black colleague, about politics and how it relates to your own history. To my mind, one of the worst things about being a descendant of slaves would be not being able to trace your history.
Posted by: Muldoon
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Funny, this ties back to the topic. I was talking to a black colleague, about politics and how it relates to your own history. To my mind, one of the worst things about being a descendant of slaves would be not being able to trace your history.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (YslsA)
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208 So Carly Fiorina piped up? How telling. Carly Fironia ran Hewlett Packard into the ground, and backed the awful open "top two" primary systems California now has. She is anti-Trump too? Not surprising. She was apparently a Demunist Commiecrat plant.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019
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I'd heard her name in connection with the crippling of Hewlett-Packard before she popped up on the R debate stage, so I was prepared to be suspicious of her qualifications. Then Trump thrashed her. Then she released the Godawful video showing her playing with puppies in an attempt to make her appear "warmer" and "more relatable to voters."
Pagh. (In this case, a food not even a starving Klingon would eat.)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 16, 2019
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I'd heard her name in connection with the crippling of Hewlett-Packard before she popped up on the R debate stage, so I was prepared to be suspicious of her qualifications. Then Trump thrashed her. Then she released the Godawful video showing her playing with puppies in an attempt to make her appear "warmer" and "more relatable to voters."
Pagh. (In this case, a food not even a starving Klingon would eat.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (Ejm1K)
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I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents.
I had a girlfriend with an ancestry.com account and got to run up the family tree more than word of mouth had passed down.
I have an ancestor named Margaret Houlihan.
I had a girlfriend with an ancestry.com account and got to run up the family tree more than word of mouth had passed down.
I have an ancestor named Margaret Houlihan.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (wzVKm)
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a little better than 2%
KEY DATA
OPEN
28,191.67
DAY RANGE
28,191.67 - 28,337.49
52 WEEK RANGE
21,712.53 - 28,337.49
PERFORMANCE
5 Day
1.41%
1 Month
0.96%
3 Month
4.53%
YTD
21.33%
1 Year
19.97%
KEY DATA
OPEN
28,191.67
DAY RANGE
28,191.67 - 28,337.49
52 WEEK RANGE
21,712.53 - 28,337.49
PERFORMANCE
5 Day
1.41%
1 Month
0.96%
3 Month
4.53%
YTD
21.33%
1 Year
19.97%
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (JFO2v)
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Kip Winger is actually a very good musician. I believe I heard once that he friggin' hates that stupid song they did.
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I guess it gave them the freedom to do everything else, though. Not to mention people knew them after that and goodness at the return on an investment.
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I guess it gave them the freedom to do everything else, though. Not to mention people knew them after that and goodness at the return on an investment.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (byrkf)
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241 I don't understand how Greta got her status. Does anyone know?
She's being bankrolled, but it would take random acts of journalism to learn more, and the MFM ain't interested.
She's being bankrolled, but it would take random acts of journalism to learn more, and the MFM ain't interested.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (H9cB7)
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My grandfather was WWI vet with bullet scars and emphysema. The scars were from 'the indians' and his other illnesses were 'because I'm old'. For a while, I was truly convinced that he was out in the wild west like TV and those scars were going to produce an arrow point.
Generational difference: not talking about painful things was letting it heal. I do think that the constant picking at sores, emotional or physical, is not helpful.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (MIKMs)
I am convinced the whole seeking closure thing is a chick thing. And probably about relatively non serious things, don't think rape victims seek to talk about their experience.
Generational difference: not talking about painful things was letting it heal. I do think that the constant picking at sores, emotional or physical, is not helpful.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (MIKMs)
I am convinced the whole seeking closure thing is a chick thing. And probably about relatively non serious things, don't think rape victims seek to talk about their experience.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (7nTlT)
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250 I don't understand how Greta got her status. Does anyone know?
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (QE8X6)
She sprung out of Zeus's stomach fully formed.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 16, 2019
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And some people have even a lower opinion of her.
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (QE8X6)
She sprung out of Zeus's stomach fully formed.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 16, 2019
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And some people have even a lower opinion of her.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (Ejm1K)
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>>She sprung out of Zeus's stomach fully formed.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (aS1PU)
If you're gonna go there, we could go with the Venus explanation...
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (aS1PU)
If you're gonna go there, we could go with the Venus explanation...
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (QE8X6)
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248 So wait.. The Dems are adding wire fraud and bribery after the vote was taken? And mumbling about jail time now? This is never gonna end... Even if Trump is re-elected
Posted by: It's me donna at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (6XlcD)
You mean the shit- talking, for the hysterics? Yeah, that'll go on forever.
Posted by: It's me donna at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (6XlcD)
You mean the shit- talking, for the hysterics? Yeah, that'll go on forever.
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (90T4r)
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Turnout. Turnout. Turnout
For blacks it will be way down
Trump will get better Deplorable turnout
Posted by: Ignoramus
The candidate and upcoming events will determine turnout.
Turnout. Turnout. Turnout
For blacks it will be way down
Trump will get better Deplorable turnout
Posted by: Ignoramus
The candidate and upcoming events will determine turnout.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (aKsyK)
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242 Don't be filled with regret - a lot of times these guys don't want to
talk about it. My FIL was a combat Marine in Korea and has refused all
these years to say a word about it. Just won't talk about it.
=====
My grandfather was WWI vet with bullet scars and emphysema. The scars were from 'the indians' and his other illnesses were 'because I'm old'. For a while, I was truly convinced that he was out in the wild west like TV and those scars were going to produce an arrow point.
Generational difference: not talking about painful things was letting it heal. I do think that the constant picking at sores, emotional or physical, is not helpful.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (MIKMs)
Sometimes I think it's amazing we have any histories from the old wars since so many veterans wouldn't talk about what happened.
talk about it. My FIL was a combat Marine in Korea and has refused all
these years to say a word about it. Just won't talk about it.
=====
My grandfather was WWI vet with bullet scars and emphysema. The scars were from 'the indians' and his other illnesses were 'because I'm old'. For a while, I was truly convinced that he was out in the wild west like TV and those scars were going to produce an arrow point.
Generational difference: not talking about painful things was letting it heal. I do think that the constant picking at sores, emotional or physical, is not helpful.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 16, 2019 01:16 PM (MIKMs)
Sometimes I think it's amazing we have any histories from the old wars since so many veterans wouldn't talk about what happened.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (Izzlo)
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257 How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon
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Funny, this ties back to the topic. I was talking to a black colleague, about politics and how it relates to your own history. To my mind, one of the worst things about being a descendant of slaves would be not being able to trace your history.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (YslsA)
PS Roots is 100% bullshit!
Posted by: Muldoon
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Funny, this ties back to the topic. I was talking to a black colleague, about politics and how it relates to your own history. To my mind, one of the worst things about being a descendant of slaves would be not being able to trace your history.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (YslsA)
PS Roots is 100% bullshit!
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (JFO2v)
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If she doesn't claim it as CDO, then she isn't OCD.
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Like the DAM group: Mothers Against Dyslexia.
If she doesn't claim it as CDO, then she isn't OCD.
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Like the DAM group: Mothers Against Dyslexia.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (MIKMs)
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That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I2)
I know both the first and last names of all eight of my great grandparents. A great grandfather on my father's side kept an extremely terse daily diary for 25 years of his adult life. Dad's mother told us many stories of her family when we were in our teens and early 20s. A great grandfather on my mother's side wrote out an abbreviated version of his life story for his first 25 years. Actually, I know all the first and last names of my 16 great, great grandparents, too. This is unusual, I know.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I2)
I know both the first and last names of all eight of my great grandparents. A great grandfather on my father's side kept an extremely terse daily diary for 25 years of his adult life. Dad's mother told us many stories of her family when we were in our teens and early 20s. A great grandfather on my mother's side wrote out an abbreviated version of his life story for his first 25 years. Actually, I know all the first and last names of my 16 great, great grandparents, too. This is unusual, I know.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (pNxlR)
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I don't understand how Greta got her status. Does anyone know?
Posted by: Caliban
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The media.
See: David Hogg, Clock Boy.
Posted by: Caliban
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The media.
See: David Hogg, Clock Boy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:20 PM (xSo9G)
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214 The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
******
On another forum I heard an interesting assertion. That is, that most people do not know first and last name of their great grandparents.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I)
I know my great-grandparents' full names,
only because genealogy is a hobby.
Know a few of my second and third great-grandparents' names. But it's sure hard to get any further back.
I'm envious when people can get back further than that.
I'm tracing my children's ancestors back on their father's side. Jeez, he's got verified bloodlines back to William the Conqueror and beyond. And at least 6 direct ancestors from the Mayflower. Really cool.
Too bad he's such a schmuck.
wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past
and lives until its too late.
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On another forum I heard an interesting assertion. That is, that most people do not know first and last name of their great grandparents.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I)
I know my great-grandparents' full names,
only because genealogy is a hobby.
Know a few of my second and third great-grandparents' names. But it's sure hard to get any further back.
I'm envious when people can get back further than that.
I'm tracing my children's ancestors back on their father's side. Jeez, he's got verified bloodlines back to William the Conqueror and beyond. And at least 6 direct ancestors from the Mayflower. Really cool.
Too bad he's such a schmuck.
Posted by: Marybeth at December 16, 2019 01:20 PM (CmURZ)
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260 a little better than 2%
KEY DATA
OPEN
28,191.67
DAY RANGE
28,191.67 - 28,337.49
52 WEEK RANGE
21,712.53 - 28,337.49
PERFORMANCE
5 Day
1.41%
1 Month
0.96%
3 Month
4.53%
YTD
21.33%
1 Year
19.97%
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (JFO2v)
Sorry, I've been told that I'm too pretty to do math
KEY DATA
OPEN
28,191.67
DAY RANGE
28,191.67 - 28,337.49
52 WEEK RANGE
21,712.53 - 28,337.49
PERFORMANCE
5 Day
1.41%
1 Month
0.96%
3 Month
4.53%
YTD
21.33%
1 Year
19.97%
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (JFO2v)
Sorry, I've been told that I'm too pretty to do math
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 01:20 PM (Izzlo)
275
260 a little better than 2%
KEY DATA
OPEN
28,191.67
DAY RANGE
28,191.67 - 28,337.49
52 WEEK RANGE
21,712.53 - 28,337.49
PERFORMANCE
5 Day
1.41%
1 Month
0.96%
3 Month
4.53%
YTD
21.33%
1 Year
19.97%
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (JFO2v)
"Impeach the motherf*cker!"
KEY DATA
OPEN
28,191.67
DAY RANGE
28,191.67 - 28,337.49
52 WEEK RANGE
21,712.53 - 28,337.49
PERFORMANCE
5 Day
1.41%
1 Month
0.96%
3 Month
4.53%
YTD
21.33%
1 Year
19.97%
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (JFO2v)
"Impeach the motherf*cker!"
Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 16, 2019 01:20 PM (377Zs)
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Sometimes I think it's amazing we have any histories from the old wars since so many veterans wouldn't talk about what happened.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (Izzlo)
Historians are creative, they would've come up with something.
Sometimes I think it's amazing we have any histories from the old wars since so many veterans wouldn't talk about what happened.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (Izzlo)
Historians are creative, they would've come up with something.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (7nTlT)
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241 I don't understand how Greta got her status. Does anyone know?
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (QE8X6)
Marketing, straight up.
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (QE8X6)
Marketing, straight up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (hGXZE)
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That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I2
On my Fathers side... Not on my Mothers.. She was born in Sweden and came here as a Child... Parentage is murky for her Grandparents)
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 16, 2019 01:10 PM (m45I2
On my Fathers side... Not on my Mothers.. She was born in Sweden and came here as a Child... Parentage is murky for her Grandparents)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (6XlcD)
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So wait.. The Dems are adding wire fraud and bribery after the vote was taken? And mumbling about jail time now? This is never gonna end... Even if Trump is re-elected
Posted by: It's me donna
Durham will come! #TwoWeeks!
Posted by: It's me donna
Durham will come! #TwoWeeks!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (vc6c9)
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All my ancestors were horse thieves, or highwaymen. Probably. I have never investigated too closely.
They say that I got killed
But I am living still...
They say that I got killed
But I am living still...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (KZzsI)
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265 >>She sprung out of Zeus's stomach fully formed.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (aS1PU)
If you're gonna go there, we could go with the Venus explanation...
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019
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Greta came from the sea foam?
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 16, 2019 01:17 PM (aS1PU)
If you're gonna go there, we could go with the Venus explanation...
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019
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Greta came from the sea foam?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (Ejm1K)
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This gives me wood.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (NWiLs)
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How about the rest of you?
On my mom's side yes. Our family on her side has held reunions for at least 50 years. I have a zillion cousins throughout East Texas and beyond.
On my dad's side...his father died just before WWII started when he was 15. Killed in a troop transport and was the only civilian aboard. We are anticipating the wreckage of the plane that crashed in Alaska on Sept 22 1942 to finally emerge from the slow creep.
I never knew either grandfather though.
On my mom's side yes. Our family on her side has held reunions for at least 50 years. I have a zillion cousins throughout East Texas and beyond.
On my dad's side...his father died just before WWII started when he was 15. Killed in a troop transport and was the only civilian aboard. We are anticipating the wreckage of the plane that crashed in Alaska on Sept 22 1942 to finally emerge from the slow creep.
I never knew either grandfather though.
Posted by: DanMan at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (XTiHL)
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>>The media. See: David Hogg, Clock Boy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:20 PM (xSo9G)
OK, so she's purely a media creation. Interesting. They really are setting themselves up for a fall.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:20 PM (xSo9G)
OK, so she's purely a media creation. Interesting. They really are setting themselves up for a fall.
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:22 PM (QE8X6)
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250 I don't understand how Greta got her status. Does anyone know?
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (QE8X6)
She sprung out of Zeus's stomach fully formed.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 16, 2019
Regurgitated, more likely.
Posted by: Caliban at December 16, 2019 01:15 PM (QE8X6)
She sprung out of Zeus's stomach fully formed.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 16, 2019
Regurgitated, more likely.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 16, 2019 01:22 PM (NWiLs)
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280
They say that I got killed
But I am living still...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (KZzsI)
Heh heh.
They say that I got killed
But I am living still...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:21 PM (KZzsI)
Heh heh.
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 01:22 PM (90T4r)
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202 Grandpa never really talked about it.
I would love to know more but everyone from our family who would know anything more is dead.
The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past and lives until its too late.
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Even then, the children of the grandparents sometimes don't ask. My maternal grandfather. I know what part of Poland he came from. His last name on US documents doesn't exist in Poland. The name makes no sense even when trying to Americanize something Polish. Sort of like when Vito Corleone stepped off the boat. "Where you from?" and that's your name. But nothing I've ever found comes close.
Supposedly someone from that side of the family ended up in NYC in 1860s, opened a bar and somewhere along the line moved back to Poland.
My maternal grandmother and her sister were sold into servitude by their parents to work on a farm. They ripped the farmer off and came to the US. They never said much of anything about their parents.
I would love to know more but everyone from our family who would know anything more is dead.
The worst part about being a grandchild is that you almost never are wise enough to talk to your grandparents and learn about their past and lives until its too late.
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Even then, the children of the grandparents sometimes don't ask. My maternal grandfather. I know what part of Poland he came from. His last name on US documents doesn't exist in Poland. The name makes no sense even when trying to Americanize something Polish. Sort of like when Vito Corleone stepped off the boat. "Where you from?" and that's your name. But nothing I've ever found comes close.
Supposedly someone from that side of the family ended up in NYC in 1860s, opened a bar and somewhere along the line moved back to Poland.
My maternal grandmother and her sister were sold into servitude by their parents to work on a farm. They ripped the farmer off and came to the US. They never said much of anything about their parents.
Posted by: Groundhog at December 16, 2019 01:22 PM (VYwSh)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 01:22 PM (vc6c9)
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Sometimes I think it's amazing we have any histories from the old wars since so many veterans wouldn't talk about what happened.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (Izzlo)
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Tucked away in a corner at the Air & Space museum here in DC is a small section on Medal of Honor recipients from WWII, with videos of some of them discussing their missions that led to the honor. They are amazing to watch. The guys recounting are so calm and in many cases almost jovial (I guess because they lived!) and they are talking about their 20-year-old selves and the unbelievable things they did as though they were recounting a walk down the street.
You can find some of these videos on YouTube, but I think you'd have to know what to search for. I wrote down the name of one and found the whole video when we came back. Just amazing.
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (Izzlo)
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Tucked away in a corner at the Air & Space museum here in DC is a small section on Medal of Honor recipients from WWII, with videos of some of them discussing their missions that led to the honor. They are amazing to watch. The guys recounting are so calm and in many cases almost jovial (I guess because they lived!) and they are talking about their 20-year-old selves and the unbelievable things they did as though they were recounting a walk down the street.
You can find some of these videos on YouTube, but I think you'd have to know what to search for. I wrote down the name of one and found the whole video when we came back. Just amazing.
Posted by: bluebell at December 16, 2019 01:23 PM (/669Q)
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Not one lousy, little link on the Drudge Report about Democrat Jeff Van Drew switching to the GOP over impeachment
Democratic congressman leaving his party over impeachment, will join Republican Party
https://t.co/5SiI5zJo8S
Democratic congressman leaving his party over impeachment, will join Republican Party
https://t.co/5SiI5zJo8S
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 16, 2019 01:23 PM (FBrfY)
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One of the coolest things I came up with is a hand-written family history of my dad's grandfather's family's early days in America, written by the oldest son, my great-great- (great?) uncle, which he wrote in Italian. (This was in their earliest days here. He quickly learned English. They all did.)
They went from the lower east side of Manhattan to breaking rocks in a quarry near Ossining to owning a store in western NY. It's written in pencil and still perfectly legible.
They went from the lower east side of Manhattan to breaking rocks in a quarry near Ossining to owning a store in western NY. It's written in pencil and still perfectly legible.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:23 PM (H9cB7)
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290 Not one lousy, little link on the Drudge Report about Democrat Jeff Van Drew switching to the GOP over impeachment
I see Nancy managed to "twist" the arms of some of the "undecideds."
I see Nancy managed to "twist" the arms of some of the "undecideds."
Posted by: It's me donna at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (6XlcD)
293
It is a national election, but a national poll doesn't mean squat. The proper polling would be for Blacks polled in competitive states for both registered and likely voters. Does a national poll give an indication?, yes, but only that. Running up the score in LA, NYC and Chicago is worthless.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (r+sAi)
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. And at least 6 direct ancestors from the Mayflower. Really cool.
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Heh. If you find kinship to *one* Mayflower person, you will almost certainly also find kinship to at least two.
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Heh. If you find kinship to *one* Mayflower person, you will almost certainly also find kinship to at least two.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (xSo9G)
295
I've been told all my ancestors were slave owners. Over and over again.
Posted by: wth at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (v0R5T)
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They say that I got killed
But I am living still...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Heh heh.
Posted by: tubal
Admit it. You heard that in Willie's voice.
But I am living still...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Heh heh.
Posted by: tubal
Admit it. You heard that in Willie's voice.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (vc6c9)
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291 One of the coolest things I came up with is a hand-written family history of my dad's grandfather's family's early days in America, written by the oldest son, my great-great- (great?) uncle, which he wrote in Italian. (This was in their earliest days here. He quickly learned English. They all did.)
They went from the lower east side of Manhattan to breaking rocks in a quarry near Ossining to owning a store in western NY. It's written in pencil and still perfectly legible.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:23 PM (H9cB7)
I absolutely love stories like this. Makes history personable.
I think kids would be much more interested in history if they knew more about their ancestors that were a part of it.
They went from the lower east side of Manhattan to breaking rocks in a quarry near Ossining to owning a store in western NY. It's written in pencil and still perfectly legible.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:23 PM (H9cB7)
I absolutely love stories like this. Makes history personable.
I think kids would be much more interested in history if they knew more about their ancestors that were a part of it.
Posted by: Marybeth at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (CmURZ)
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I know my Maternal Great Grandparents names because I had the privilege of knowing them on up into my high school and college years. As kids we actually went to their house every Easter. I didn't realize how unique that was until I got older. It puts ones life in context having roots that far back.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (rY+0U)
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294 . And at least 6 direct ancestors from the Mayflower. Really cool.
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Heh. If you find kinship to *one* Mayflower person, you will almost certainly also find kinship to at least two.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (xSo9G)
Another couple hundred years and you'll have the whole ship.
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Heh. If you find kinship to *one* Mayflower person, you will almost certainly also find kinship to at least two.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (xSo9G)
Another couple hundred years and you'll have the whole ship.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (7nTlT)
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On this very day 17.5 years ago, Pope John Paul II declared Pio of Pietrelcina a saint.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 01:26 PM (88+cf)
301
Epstein wasn't a story because "nobody knew who he was". OK so who knows the girl in the raincoat?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 16, 2019 01:26 PM (xPCci)
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254 My grandpa was interviewed about his experiences in WWII and Korea as part of a project I think associated with the VFW.
that WWII museum in Fredericksburg, TX has a lot of those recordings and they are very interesting. Very impactful is probably a better description.
that WWII museum in Fredericksburg, TX has a lot of those recordings and they are very interesting. Very impactful is probably a better description.
Posted by: DanMan at December 16, 2019 01:27 PM (XTiHL)
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Funny, this ties back to the topic. I was talking to a black colleague, about politics and how it relates to your own history. To my mind, one of the worst things about being a descendant of slaves would be not being able to trace your history.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (YslsA)
PS Roots is 100% bullshit!
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (JFO2v)
Yep. It's amazing that anyone took Roots at face value. Most whites can't trace their families back very far, and we're expected to believe that the descendant of slaves can do so? No sale.
My father tried to trace his family back, but came a-cropper around the Civil War because our surname is one of the classic names of the English yeomanry (like "Smith" or "Jones") and census data from then were insufficiently detailed to figure out who was who.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 16, 2019 01:18 PM (YslsA)
PS Roots is 100% bullshit!
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2019 01:19 PM (JFO2v)
Yep. It's amazing that anyone took Roots at face value. Most whites can't trace their families back very far, and we're expected to believe that the descendant of slaves can do so? No sale.
My father tried to trace his family back, but came a-cropper around the Civil War because our surname is one of the classic names of the English yeomanry (like "Smith" or "Jones") and census data from then were insufficiently detailed to figure out who was who.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 01:27 PM (hGXZE)
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I believe one of President John Tyler's grandsons is still alive. As of 2018 I know two of his grandsons were still kicking.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 01:27 PM (2DOZq)
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I know my Maternal Great Grandparents names because I had the privilege of knowing them on up into my high school and college years. As kids we actually went to their house every Easter. I didn't realize how unique that was until I got older. It puts ones life in context having roots that far back.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (rY+0U)
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Wow, that really is incredible. I had one great-grandparent still alive when I was born (first great-grandchild). I know this mostly because I have a small scar on my forehead from falling on the heating grate at her house when I was learning to walk.
I think she died soon after that - I have no memory of ever seeing her.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (rY+0U)
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Wow, that really is incredible. I had one great-grandparent still alive when I was born (first great-grandchild). I know this mostly because I have a small scar on my forehead from falling on the heating grate at her house when I was learning to walk.
I think she died soon after that - I have no memory of ever seeing her.
Posted by: bluebell at December 16, 2019 01:27 PM (/669Q)
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I absolutely love stories like this. Makes history personable.
It's literally the American Dream. And the son who wrote the history went on to be a city councilman. His brother, my GGF, went on to be a well-respected attorney.
And another son got mixed up with La Cosa Nostra and went to Attica for murder. Angels and devils in every family tree, as they say!
It's literally the American Dream. And the son who wrote the history went on to be a city councilman. His brother, my GGF, went on to be a well-respected attorney.
And another son got mixed up with La Cosa Nostra and went to Attica for murder. Angels and devils in every family tree, as they say!
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (H9cB7)
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I know my great-grandparents' full names,
only because genealogy is a hobby.
Know a few of my second and third great-grandparents' names. But it's sure hard to get any further back.
I'm envious when people can get back further than that.
Posted by: Marybeth at December 16, 2019 01:20 PM (CmURZ)
I do the genealogy thing, too. I've got a line back to 1621 Jamestown, and others back to England and France. When you consider the # of ancestors doubles every generation you go back, after a few, you're talking about a LOT of people.
only because genealogy is a hobby.
Know a few of my second and third great-grandparents' names. But it's sure hard to get any further back.
I'm envious when people can get back further than that.
Posted by: Marybeth at December 16, 2019 01:20 PM (CmURZ)
I do the genealogy thing, too. I've got a line back to 1621 Jamestown, and others back to England and France. When you consider the # of ancestors doubles every generation you go back, after a few, you're talking about a LOT of people.
Posted by: BignJames at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (X/Pw5)
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Yeah, but this poll was taken before all those raysisty cadets played the circle game on tv.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (sWM8x)
309
Trump shocks black voters - by trying to get their votes
The president's reelection team knows he's never going to win sizable African American support. But that's not the point.
https://t.co/zofm2xuVAS
The Westside Gazette bills itself as "Broward County's oldest and largest African American owned-and-operated newspaper." For five decades, the Fort Lauderdale, Fla. weekly has catered to a staunchly Democratic readership.
So when readers opened an edition last month to find a full-page ad from President Donald Trump's reelection campaign, many couldn't believe it. Why would he even bother?
Story Continued Below
"I thought it was quite abnormal," said Bobby Henry, the newspaper's publisher and CEO. He said a reader sought him out at church last weekend to ask what was up. "For [Trump] to reach out to the broader African American community is what surprised me."
Yet that's precisely what Trump is doing.
The president's reelection campaign has spent $1 million in an effort to make inroads with black voters, and more is coming, according to a person with direct knowledge of the planning. The initiative, dubbed "Black Voices" by the campaign, so far has included ads in black-run newspapers and on radio stations, volunteer training seminars and a kickoff event hosted by Trump in Atlanta last month.
The president's reelection team knows he's never going to win sizable African American support. But that's not the point.
https://t.co/zofm2xuVAS
The Westside Gazette bills itself as "Broward County's oldest and largest African American owned-and-operated newspaper." For five decades, the Fort Lauderdale, Fla. weekly has catered to a staunchly Democratic readership.
So when readers opened an edition last month to find a full-page ad from President Donald Trump's reelection campaign, many couldn't believe it. Why would he even bother?
Story Continued Below
"I thought it was quite abnormal," said Bobby Henry, the newspaper's publisher and CEO. He said a reader sought him out at church last weekend to ask what was up. "For [Trump] to reach out to the broader African American community is what surprised me."
Yet that's precisely what Trump is doing.
The president's reelection campaign has spent $1 million in an effort to make inroads with black voters, and more is coming, according to a person with direct knowledge of the planning. The initiative, dubbed "Black Voices" by the campaign, so far has included ads in black-run newspapers and on radio stations, volunteer training seminars and a kickoff event hosted by Trump in Atlanta last month.
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (FBrfY)
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that WWII museum in Fredericksburg, TX has a lot of
those recordings and they are very interesting. Very impactful is
probably a better description.
Posted by: DanMan at December 16, 2019 01:27 PM (XTiHL)
"Nimitz" Museum is amazing in Fredericksburg.
those recordings and they are very interesting. Very impactful is
probably a better description.
Posted by: DanMan at December 16, 2019 01:27 PM (XTiHL)
"Nimitz" Museum is amazing in Fredericksburg.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (5l6gb)
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On My Dads side his Grandfather led the Largest cattle drive in History from Texas and had a hand in introducing the Long horn....
Posted by: It's me donna at December 16, 2019 01:29 PM (6XlcD)
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306 I absolutely love stories like this. Makes history personable.
It's literally the American Dream. And the son who wrote the history went on to be a city councilman. His brother, my GGF, went on to be a well-respected attorney.
And another son got mixed up with La Cosa Nostra and went to Attica for murder. Angels and devils in every family tree, as they say!
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (H9cB7)
A politician, lawyer, and a murderer, yikes!
It's literally the American Dream. And the son who wrote the history went on to be a city councilman. His brother, my GGF, went on to be a well-respected attorney.
And another son got mixed up with La Cosa Nostra and went to Attica for murder. Angels and devils in every family tree, as they say!
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (H9cB7)
A politician, lawyer, and a murderer, yikes!
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:29 PM (7nTlT)
313
Epstein wasn't a story because "nobody knew who he was". OK so who knows the girl in the raincoat?
Posted by: BourbonChicken
Jennifer Warnes?
Epstein wasn't a story because "nobody knew who he was". OK so who knows the girl in the raincoat?
Posted by: BourbonChicken
Jennifer Warnes?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 16, 2019 01:29 PM (aKsyK)
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To my mind, one of the worst things about being a descendant of slaves would be not being able to trace your history.
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Worse still might be knowing with 100% certainty who your impoverished family in Kenya is and still not giving a sh*t.
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Worse still might be knowing with 100% certainty who your impoverished family in Kenya is and still not giving a sh*t.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 16, 2019 01:30 PM (byrkf)
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I sometimes see an oral history van* at air shows, which invites veterans to come by and record their experiences for posterity. They're associated with a museum, don't know which.
*c'mon, that's too easy to make a joke about
*c'mon, that's too easy to make a joke about
Posted by: josephistan at December 16, 2019 01:30 PM (Izzlo)
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Another couple hundred years and you'll have the whole ship.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (7nTlT)
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Another couple hundred years, and it we'll all be traced back to Spanish galleons.
Another couple hundred years and you'll have the whole ship.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (7nTlT)
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Another couple hundred years, and it we'll all be traced back to Spanish galleons.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 01:30 PM (AzW6q)
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> Carly Fironia ran Hewlett Packard into the ground,
Old-time HP employees still call her "Carly the C***".
At one time, HP stuff was built like a tank that had been carved by a fine jeweler. Beautiful, ergonomic, and indestructible.
Carly went with the "buy cheap Chinese crap, slap an HP label on it, and sell it at HP prices" strategy, which can do amazing things for the bottom line.
Until word gets around.
Old-time HP employees still call her "Carly the C***".
At one time, HP stuff was built like a tank that had been carved by a fine jeweler. Beautiful, ergonomic, and indestructible.
Carly went with the "buy cheap Chinese crap, slap an HP label on it, and sell it at HP prices" strategy, which can do amazing things for the bottom line.
Until word gets around.
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Heh. If you find kinship to *one* Mayflower person, you will almost certainly also find kinship to at least two.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (xSo9G)
that's mostly correct.
John Alden and Priscilla Mullins were my children's 10th G-grandparents.
But in their case that was the exception.
Lots of Pilgrims died that first winter.
More people started coming over in the mid 1620s, and that's who a lot of their ancestors married.
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Heh. If you find kinship to *one* Mayflower person, you will almost certainly also find kinship to at least two.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (xSo9G)
that's mostly correct.
John Alden and Priscilla Mullins were my children's 10th G-grandparents.
But in their case that was the exception.
Lots of Pilgrims died that first winter.
More people started coming over in the mid 1620s, and that's who a lot of their ancestors married.
Posted by: Marybeth at December 16, 2019 01:30 PM (CmURZ)
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I think kids would be much more interested in history if they knew more about their ancestors that were a part of it.
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Later I read on my own, and found the colorful human personalities, and it came to life.
I think kids would be much more interested in history if they knew more about their ancestors that were a part of it.
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Or the vivid personalities, whether they were the kids' ancestors or not. History when I was in school was taught in such a dull fashion ("Arglebargle was king from 1287 to 1313. During his reign the War of the Cinnamon Roll Accession began, in 1300"). I hated it.
Later I read on my own, and found the colorful human personalities, and it came to life.
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Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (H9cB7)
A politician, lawyer, and a murderer, yikes!
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:29 PM (7nTlT)
"Walk into a bar. The bartender says.."
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (H9cB7)
A politician, lawyer, and a murderer, yikes!
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:29 PM (7nTlT)
"Walk into a bar. The bartender says.."
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 01:31 PM (90T4r)
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and they are talking about their 20-year-old selves and the unbelievable things they did as though they were recounting a walk down the street.
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I've mentioned before my friend Henry Baker, who was an Alamo Scout (you'll have to look that up). In a brief memoir he casually mentions this:
"When we returned to the American sector with the 6th Army Special Intelligence I had a new mission- General Romulo's wife and son were left on the island behind enemy lines. The guerillas had built an airstrip where a cub plane could land. We set up signals and were able to evacuate the son, wife, and brother. There was no room for me- I had to walk out. It took six or seven days and I traveled at night."
And that's it. No big deal, right?
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I've mentioned before my friend Henry Baker, who was an Alamo Scout (you'll have to look that up). In a brief memoir he casually mentions this:
"When we returned to the American sector with the 6th Army Special Intelligence I had a new mission- General Romulo's wife and son were left on the island behind enemy lines. The guerillas had built an airstrip where a cub plane could land. We set up signals and were able to evacuate the son, wife, and brother. There was no room for me- I had to walk out. It took six or seven days and I traveled at night."
And that's it. No big deal, right?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:31 PM (xSo9G)
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A politician, lawyer, and a murderer, yikes!
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:29 PM
Is this not also the story of Obama?
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:29 PM
Is this not also the story of Obama?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 16, 2019 01:32 PM (ejd/p)
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Contrast her with, say, Horst Weasel (David Hogg). In his case, I would subscribe to AP's take, that the problem is largely environmental. He's no stud, God knows, but he doesn't seem fundamentally abnormal, either. He's just a rank opportunist, groomed and propelled northwards by his shitty parents, IMO.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (hGXZE)
Horst Weasel..... heh.
As to his motivations, that's easy. Some commie scrunt is banging him. And just like any other teenage boy he wants to continue getting laid.
Teenage boys have one, and only one motivation for anything they do. Pussy.
Contrast her with, say, Horst Weasel (David Hogg). In his case, I would subscribe to AP's take, that the problem is largely environmental. He's no stud, God knows, but he doesn't seem fundamentally abnormal, either. He's just a rank opportunist, groomed and propelled northwards by his shitty parents, IMO.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 16, 2019 12:57 PM (hGXZE)
Horst Weasel..... heh.
As to his motivations, that's easy. Some commie scrunt is banging him. And just like any other teenage boy he wants to continue getting laid.
Teenage boys have one, and only one motivation for anything they do. Pussy.
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My neighbor growing up was a Marine during WWII. Come to find out, just before he passed away, that he flew in the Black Sheep Squadron. Only time he really talked about is when he was formally interviewed by the History Channel.
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Not one lousy, little link on the Drudge Report about Democrat Jeff Van Drew switching to the GOP over impeachment
Democratic congressman leaving his party over impeachment, will join Republican Party
https://t.co/5SiI5zJo8S
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Funny, the MSM watchers in this building haven't mentioned this at all.
And we're IN NJ!!
Who knows if the local rags Bergen Record or Star Ledger even bothered.
Democratic congressman leaving his party over impeachment, will join Republican Party
https://t.co/5SiI5zJo8S
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Funny, the MSM watchers in this building haven't mentioned this at all.
And we're IN NJ!!
Who knows if the local rags Bergen Record or Star Ledger even bothered.
Posted by: dananjcon at December 16, 2019 01:32 PM (u6xw0)
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> Yep. It's amazing that anyone took Roots at face value.
Well, Roots was always advertised as a novel, and listed as "fiction", with the "found my ancestors" bit being mere puffery for publicity purposes.
More serious is that Haley appears to have lifted part of the text from other novels.
Well, Roots was always advertised as a novel, and listed as "fiction", with the "found my ancestors" bit being mere puffery for publicity purposes.
More serious is that Haley appears to have lifted part of the text from other novels.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM (WsmTT)
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A politician, lawyer, and a murderer, yikes!
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:29 PM
Is this not also the story of Obama?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 16, 2019 01:32 PM (ejd/p)
Obama murder someone? Naw he's too much of a beta for that. Make fun of people with words or let DoD bomb Libya for fun, sure.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:29 PM
Is this not also the story of Obama?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 16, 2019 01:32 PM (ejd/p)
Obama murder someone? Naw he's too much of a beta for that. Make fun of people with words or let DoD bomb Libya for fun, sure.
Posted by: Trade Federation Officer at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM (ULeWC)
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Another couple hundred years and you'll have the whole ship.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (7nTlT)
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Another couple hundred years, and it we'll all be traced back to Spanish galleons.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 01:30 PM (AzW6q)
Quetzalcoatl forgive us. Technically we'd be related to both.
Another couple hundred years and you'll have the whole ship.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (7nTlT)
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Another couple hundred years, and it we'll all be traced back to Spanish galleons.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 01:30 PM (AzW6q)
Quetzalcoatl forgive us. Technically we'd be related to both.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM (7nTlT)
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Just remember: Your family history is only as truthful as your relatives were.
Just remember: Your family history is only as truthful as your relatives were.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM (88+cf)
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"Walk into a bar. The bartender says.."
"We don't serve your kind in here. But the murderer can stay."
"We don't serve your kind in here. But the murderer can stay."
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM (WsmTT)
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My neighbor growing up was a Marine during WWII. Come to find out, just before he passed away, that he flew in the Black Sheep Squadron. Only time he really talked about is when he was formally interviewed by the History Channel.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 16, 2019 01:32 PM
I was watching a documentary about them not long ago. You don't happen to recall his name, do you?
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 16, 2019 01:32 PM
I was watching a documentary about them not long ago. You don't happen to recall his name, do you?
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Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at December 16, 2019 01:28 PM (5l6gb)
Thanks, had a brain fart on the name. GHW Bush had a huge impact on increasing the size of it somehow and I think they officially call it The National Museum of the Pacific War but Nimitz Museum is better. It started as that and should be known as that.
Thanks, had a brain fart on the name. GHW Bush had a huge impact on increasing the size of it somehow and I think they officially call it The National Museum of the Pacific War but Nimitz Museum is better. It started as that and should be known as that.
Posted by: DanMan at December 16, 2019 01:34 PM (XTiHL)
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>>I know my Maternal Great Grandparents names because I had the privilege of knowing them on up into my high school and college years.
I knew my paternal great grandmother. She was in her mid-90s when I was a kid. Christian Scientist, never saw a doctor in her life and lived until 98.
I didn't meet my maternal grandmother, she died before I was born. But I was born in the same hospital in Germany that she was born in.
I knew my paternal great grandmother. She was in her mid-90s when I was a kid. Christian Scientist, never saw a doctor in her life and lived until 98.
I didn't meet my maternal grandmother, she died before I was born. But I was born in the same hospital in Germany that she was born in.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 16, 2019 01:34 PM (ZLI7S)
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Just remember: Your family history is only as truthful as your relatives were.
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This is about me, right?
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This is about me, right?
Posted by: Lizzy Warren at December 16, 2019 01:35 PM (xSo9G)
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Obama murder someone? Naw he's too much of a beta for that. Make fun of people with words or let DoD bomb Libya for fun, sure.
Posted by: Trade Federation Officer at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM
I was goofing on his drone strikes. OK...it was a reach. What can I say? Moron.
Posted by: Trade Federation Officer at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM
I was goofing on his drone strikes. OK...it was a reach. What can I say? Moron.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 16, 2019 01:35 PM (ejd/p)
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"Just remember: Your family history is only as truthful as your relatives were."
We are pretty sure who your mother is, beyond that is a lot of hopeful thinking.
We are pretty sure who your mother is, beyond that is a lot of hopeful thinking.
Posted by: mrshad at December 16, 2019 01:35 PM (IJsa1)
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Quetzalcoatl. That's the Archaeopteryx bird the Indians drew, right?
Posted by: tubal at December 16, 2019 01:35 PM (90T4r)
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Nood Jersey Democrat
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 01:35 PM (88+cf)
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At one time, HP stuff was built like a tank that had been carved by a fine jeweler. Beautiful, ergonomic, and indestructible.
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All they are now is toner supplier. I think they pay the chinese to flood the market with inferior crap so shmucks like me are forced to over pay for the marginally better HP crap.
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All they are now is toner supplier. I think they pay the chinese to flood the market with inferior crap so shmucks like me are forced to over pay for the marginally better HP crap.
Posted by: dananjcon at December 16, 2019 01:35 PM (u6xw0)
Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 16, 2019 01:36 PM (vhYTW)
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I was goofing on his drone strikes. OK...it was a reach. What can I say? Moron.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 16, 2019 01:35 PM (ejd/p)
Ahhhh, good point there. More blame on DoD, but we shouldn't let the liberals know that! Gotta remind them which Peace Prize holder has the record for most drone strikes!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 16, 2019 01:35 PM (ejd/p)
Ahhhh, good point there. More blame on DoD, but we shouldn't let the liberals know that! Gotta remind them which Peace Prize holder has the record for most drone strikes!
Posted by: Trade Federation Officer at December 16, 2019 01:36 PM (ULeWC)
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Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM (88+cf)
True. But I did find out a LOT of my history doing genealogical research.
Just remember: Your family history is only as truthful as your relatives were.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM (88+cf)
True. But I did find out a LOT of my history doing genealogical research.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:36 PM (N39Ws)
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Some of my ancestors left written accounts of their lives and families. Interestingly, in my great grandparents time, indian attacks were still a thing.
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My paternal grandfather had a completely insane life history. Just horrible, and interesting, but it means I don't much about that part of my family, as he was the only one to survive the Russian revolution, and died when my father was a baby.
He had been attached to the Army as a boy from minor nobility (an adolescent when the Bolsheviks struck), and was stationed in Africa when they rounded up his family and shot them.
He defected to the British Army, who held on to him til WWII, when they loaned him to OSS cryptographers because of his language skills. That bought him a pass to emigrate to NY after the war.
My paternal grandfather had a completely insane life history. Just horrible, and interesting, but it means I don't much about that part of my family, as he was the only one to survive the Russian revolution, and died when my father was a baby.
He had been attached to the Army as a boy from minor nobility (an adolescent when the Bolsheviks struck), and was stationed in Africa when they rounded up his family and shot them.
He defected to the British Army, who held on to him til WWII, when they loaned him to OSS cryptographers because of his language skills. That bought him a pass to emigrate to NY after the war.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2019 01:37 PM (AzW6q)
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My enthusiasm for genealogy took a nosedive when I learned that great-grandpa Johnson shot and killed the hired man when he caught him nosing around great-grandma. I decided then that I already knew enough about my ancestors.
Posted by: creeper at December 16, 2019 01:37 PM (XxJt1)
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All of my grandparents came to America from somewhere in Europe. I have no desire to learn about my European heritage though I understand why others would want to learn about their own. .
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 16, 2019 01:37 PM (2DOZq)
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True. But I did find out a LOT of my history doing genealogical research.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:36 PM (N39Ws)
I had a DNA match asking me about some cousins they never heard of...........
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 16, 2019 01:36 PM (N39Ws)
I had a DNA match asking me about some cousins they never heard of...........
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 01:39 PM (88+cf)
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He defected to the British Army, who held on to him til WWII, when they loaned him to OSS cryptographers because of his language skills. That bought him a pass to emigrate to NY after the war.
that is one of the story lines in the book 'Legend' about Roy Benavidez. I think the guy was a Czech named Mazer or something like that. Got killed in Vietnam after serving in WWII, Korea and the Congo.
that is one of the story lines in the book 'Legend' about Roy Benavidez. I think the guy was a Czech named Mazer or something like that. Got killed in Vietnam after serving in WWII, Korea and the Congo.
Posted by: DanMan at December 16, 2019 01:40 PM (XTiHL)
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305 I know my Maternal Great Grandparents names because I had the privilege of knowing them on up into my high school and college years. As kids we actually went to their house every Easter. I didn't realize how unique that was until I got older. It puts ones life in context having roots that far back.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (rY+0U)
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Wow, that really is incredible. I had one great-grandparent still alive when I was born (first great-grandchild). I know this mostly because I have a small scar on my forehead from falling on the heating grate at her house when I was learning to walk.
I think she died soon after that - I have no memory of ever seeing her.
Posted by: bluebell at December 16, 2019 01:27 PM (/669Q)
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Hell, I think I had a great great grandmother (but it might be a geat grandmother on my dad's side) still alive when I was born. There's a picture of her holding me as a baby. Pictures like that if you think about it can blow your mind: Someone born in the late 1800s holding a baby born in 1983. Reminds you that, yes no man is an island and you are part of a greater whole: the family. Not the state or a class! I regretfully never talked to my great grandfather about his childhood, but he did talk to my grandmother: He was the child of a sharecropper who was in and out of jail for moonshining when he was growing up. IOW, true grinding poverty that your average Yankee doesn't realize a lot of whites down here experienced. He broke from him because of the moonshining and basically blazed his own path. When the gas pipelines started getting put up across the southeast he worked construction on a compressor station. He decided to take a shot at getting a job there but there was an issue: He couldn't read. So, my Great Grandmother taught him. He got the job and he worked there till he retired in his 60s. My Grandfather worked as a welder/fabricator occasionally at that compressor station post retirement and my Uncle still works there.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 01:25 PM (rY+0U)
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Wow, that really is incredible. I had one great-grandparent still alive when I was born (first great-grandchild). I know this mostly because I have a small scar on my forehead from falling on the heating grate at her house when I was learning to walk.
I think she died soon after that - I have no memory of ever seeing her.
Posted by: bluebell at December 16, 2019 01:27 PM (/669Q)
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Hell, I think I had a great great grandmother (but it might be a geat grandmother on my dad's side) still alive when I was born. There's a picture of her holding me as a baby. Pictures like that if you think about it can blow your mind: Someone born in the late 1800s holding a baby born in 1983. Reminds you that, yes no man is an island and you are part of a greater whole: the family. Not the state or a class! I regretfully never talked to my great grandfather about his childhood, but he did talk to my grandmother: He was the child of a sharecropper who was in and out of jail for moonshining when he was growing up. IOW, true grinding poverty that your average Yankee doesn't realize a lot of whites down here experienced. He broke from him because of the moonshining and basically blazed his own path. When the gas pipelines started getting put up across the southeast he worked construction on a compressor station. He decided to take a shot at getting a job there but there was an issue: He couldn't read. So, my Great Grandmother taught him. He got the job and he worked there till he retired in his 60s. My Grandfather worked as a welder/fabricator occasionally at that compressor station post retirement and my Uncle still works there.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 01:40 PM (rY+0U)
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> Your family history is only as truthful as your relatives were.
Even if you do have records, the odds that your remote ancestor was actually who your family tree says it was are pretty slim.
Let's say that the incidence of cuckoldry is 5% (most believe it's considerably higher than that).
That means that your alleged father is 95% likely to be your biological father. Pretty good.
But your alleged grandfather has only 0.95 x 0.95 = 0.90 probability of being your biological grandfather. Great-grandfather: 0.85. Great-great: 0.81.
Your alleged tenth-generation male ancestor has only a 59% probability of being your actual ancestor (i.e., there's over a 40% chance it was actually someone else).
Your alleged twentieth-generation male ancestor has only a 35% probability of being the real one.
So, yeah, these "ancestries" that purport to go back to biblical times are pretty much garbage.
Even if you do have records, the odds that your remote ancestor was actually who your family tree says it was are pretty slim.
Let's say that the incidence of cuckoldry is 5% (most believe it's considerably higher than that).
That means that your alleged father is 95% likely to be your biological father. Pretty good.
But your alleged grandfather has only 0.95 x 0.95 = 0.90 probability of being your biological grandfather. Great-grandfather: 0.85. Great-great: 0.81.
Your alleged tenth-generation male ancestor has only a 59% probability of being your actual ancestor (i.e., there's over a 40% chance it was actually someone else).
Your alleged twentieth-generation male ancestor has only a 35% probability of being the real one.
So, yeah, these "ancestries" that purport to go back to biblical times are pretty much garbage.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 01:42 PM (WsmTT)
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Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM (88+cf)
Yep. On the Mexican side of my family, they claimed that my great great grandfather was killed by Pancho Villa in Durango at the beginning of the Mexican Revolution. Not by his men, but by Villa himself. The family was VERY specific about it, apparently.
With a little research, I figured out that it was impossible, because Villa was nowhere near Durango at the time. But he had sent a bandit gang down to rape, pillage and plunder during those couple of weeks, in order to seize control of the Revolution in Chihuahua, by showing that his main revolutionary rival couldn't control his troops. It looks like the GGGF may have been caught up in that raid, but there's no proof, and no documentation, just oral history.
Just remember: Your family history is only as truthful as your relatives were.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 01:33 PM (88+cf)
Yep. On the Mexican side of my family, they claimed that my great great grandfather was killed by Pancho Villa in Durango at the beginning of the Mexican Revolution. Not by his men, but by Villa himself. The family was VERY specific about it, apparently.
With a little research, I figured out that it was impossible, because Villa was nowhere near Durango at the time. But he had sent a bandit gang down to rape, pillage and plunder during those couple of weeks, in order to seize control of the Revolution in Chihuahua, by showing that his main revolutionary rival couldn't control his troops. It looks like the GGGF may have been caught up in that raid, but there's no proof, and no documentation, just oral history.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 16, 2019 01:42 PM (kw0bd)
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Part of the reason its a good idea to name your kids after someone in your family rather than the stupid crap you came up with at age 13 and scribbled in your diary is because it not only creates a sense of family continuity, but prompts interest and a connection with the past in your family. From that, other historical interests may arise.
Or you can go ahead and name your kid after that hunky guy in the soap opera.
Or you can go ahead and name your kid after that hunky guy in the soap opera.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
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353 Part of the reason its a good idea to name your kids after someone in your family rather than the stupid crap you came up with at age 13 and scribbled in your diary is because it not only creates a sense of family continuity, but prompts interest and a connection with the past in your family. From that, other historical interests may arise.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
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My sister did that with one of her daughters.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
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My sister did that with one of her daughters.
Posted by: Jackal at December 16, 2019 01:44 PM (rY+0U)
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Your alleged twentieth-generation male ancestor has only a 35% probability of being the real one.
So, yeah, these "ancestries" that purport to go back to biblical times are pretty much garbage.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 01:42 PM (WsmTT)
The bright side is many people start to be common ancestors for large swathes of humanity that far back.
So, yeah, these "ancestries" that purport to go back to biblical times are pretty much garbage.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 16, 2019 01:42 PM (WsmTT)
The bright side is many people start to be common ancestors for large swathes of humanity that far back.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:45 PM (7nTlT)
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All those DNA registry ancestry sites are garbage. For one thing they are not allowed to gather or report information from certain nations by local law, so they give a general area ("scandanavian"). For another, the science of national DNA is extremely sketchy to begin with.
And that doesn't include the "you just gave your DNA to a permanent registry the government will raid when they want to" thing.
And that doesn't include the "you just gave your DNA to a permanent registry the government will raid when they want to" thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:47 PM (KZzsI)
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On another forum I heard an interesting assertion. That is, that
most people do not know first and last name of their great grandparents.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
most of them. my paternal grandparents divorced and the grandmother moved to california where she died sometime in the '70s. although i met her once, i don't know much about her.
my maternal grandfather was illegitimate and the mother kept he name of the father secret.
on the other hand, through good luck and staring at microfilm, i've been able to push some of the polish line as many generations into poland as have elapsed since they emigrated in the 1870s. seems about then is when all my maternal lines came to the us (norwegian, german, and polish; dad's family has been here since the 1600s).
On another forum I heard an interesting assertion. That is, that
most people do not know first and last name of their great grandparents.
That applies to me. I know my grandparents' full names, but only surnames of my great grandparents. How about the rest of you?
most of them. my paternal grandparents divorced and the grandmother moved to california where she died sometime in the '70s. although i met her once, i don't know much about her.
my maternal grandfather was illegitimate and the mother kept he name of the father secret.
on the other hand, through good luck and staring at microfilm, i've been able to push some of the polish line as many generations into poland as have elapsed since they emigrated in the 1870s. seems about then is when all my maternal lines came to the us (norwegian, german, and polish; dad's family has been here since the 1600s).
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The bright side is many people start to be common ancestors for large swathes of humanity that far back.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:45 PM (7nTlT)
On the other hand, if you have the same last name as a famous political family you ALWAYS get asked if you're related.
"Yes, I'm related to those worthless cocksuckers. You can't choose your ancestors, y'know."
The bright side is many people start to be common ancestors for large swathes of humanity that far back.
Posted by: Someguy at December 16, 2019 01:45 PM (7nTlT)
On the other hand, if you have the same last name as a famous political family you ALWAYS get asked if you're related.
"Yes, I'm related to those worthless cocksuckers. You can't choose your ancestors, y'know."
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 16, 2019 01:48 PM (kw0bd)
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All those DNA registry ancestry sites are garbage. For one thing they are not allowed to gather or report information from certain nations by local law, so they give a general area ("scandanavian"). For another, the science of national DNA is extremely sketchy to begin with.
And that doesn't include the "you just gave your DNA to a permanent registry the government will raid when they want to" thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:47 PM (KZzsI)
Didn't one of the DNA registry sites recently get busted for faking some of the test results?
I'd love to see what they come up with when some miscreant swabs his cat's mouth and sends it in.
All those DNA registry ancestry sites are garbage. For one thing they are not allowed to gather or report information from certain nations by local law, so they give a general area ("scandanavian"). For another, the science of national DNA is extremely sketchy to begin with.
And that doesn't include the "you just gave your DNA to a permanent registry the government will raid when they want to" thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 16, 2019 01:47 PM (KZzsI)
Didn't one of the DNA registry sites recently get busted for faking some of the test results?
I'd love to see what they come up with when some miscreant swabs his cat's mouth and sends it in.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 16, 2019 01:51 PM (kw0bd)
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Many black people adore criminals, be they fictional like Tony Montana, or real, like Jay-Z.
I'd find it ironic if the faux impeachment proceedings are having the Democrats' intended effect of convincing blacks that Trump is guilty of crimes, yet this criminality is influencing them to vote for him.
I'd find it ironic if the faux impeachment proceedings are having the Democrats' intended effect of convincing blacks that Trump is guilty of crimes, yet this criminality is influencing them to vote for him.
Posted by: canduce at December 16, 2019 01:52 PM (gJAok)
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I have found that I have zero DNA matches to anyone with the family name (before my great grandfather).
We decided there was some shenanigans back in the 1860s.
We decided there was some shenanigans back in the 1860s.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 16, 2019 01:54 PM (88+cf)
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Been doing genealogy for years and I was fortunate that a lot of it was written down. Lots if cousins gave me copies of the family bibles if different branches, I had them write down everything they remembered or were told, then I hit the library and the internet. We have family in Ireland back to the 1600s, a part that came to America and fought in the American Revolution. I've visited graveyards and old family homes that are still standing and talked to their owner's about what they know. My husband says I'm like a dog with a bone.
Posted by: Moon howler at December 16, 2019 01:55 PM (WdvDr)
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I heard that Trump is a bad mother....
Shut your mouth!
Shut your mouth!
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 16, 2019 02:00 PM (JIhCV)
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363: That is how my Mom is with our family's genealogy. Has done a really fine job with it too. The most awesome relative she ever discovered was a great-great-grandmother. She was, well, humble and a very religious woman. What made her interesting is where she wound up buried. At first, her church's cemetery. The church closed though and they had to take the bodies somewhere. The nearest cemetery to the church was Evans City Cemetery in Butler County, PA. Yes, the same Evans City Cemetery that was used in The Night of the Living Dead in 1967. I can now say I had a relative 'in' that movie. 6ft under but she was there!
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 16, 2019 02:03 PM (vN4+Q)
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318 294 . And at least 6 direct ancestors from the Mayflower. Really cool.
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Heh. If you find kinship to *one* Mayflower person, you will almost certainly also find kinship to at least two.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (xSo9G)
that's mostly correct.
John Alden and Priscilla Mullins were my children's 10th G-grandparents.
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My mom had stylized plastic "Carvings" of John and Priscilla on a wall.
I'm sorry I threw your relatives out.
Forgive me.
Do a google on "Syroco Priscilla and John Plaques Wall Decoration Vintage"
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Heh. If you find kinship to *one* Mayflower person, you will almost certainly also find kinship to at least two.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2019 01:24 PM (xSo9G)
that's mostly correct.
John Alden and Priscilla Mullins were my children's 10th G-grandparents.
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My mom had stylized plastic "Carvings" of John and Priscilla on a wall.
I'm sorry I threw your relatives out.
Forgive me.
Do a google on "Syroco Priscilla and John Plaques Wall Decoration Vintage"
Posted by: Groundhog at December 16, 2019 02:13 PM (VYwSh)
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In a truly random sample, a population of 30 should be sufficient. The problem is getting a random sample. Pollsters make adjustments. All polls are shit.
Posted by: Poll Ock at December 16, 2019 02:15 PM (i4hZs)
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I can trace my paternal side back to before Cromwell, all of my maternal grandparents were born within 30mi in Ireland. This was before DNA. A relative did the DNA thing - no serial killers found. And, they were quite accurate. Maybe we should stop marrying distant cousins.
Posted by: Jean at December 16, 2019 02:35 PM (t1ckn)
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