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The Rule Of Law Is A Marvelous Thing, Unless It Fails The People
Is this what is coming in America? When it is blatantly obvious that some are above the law, are the good and not-so-good people of this country going to take matters into their own hands?
India Police Kill 4 Rape Suspects Already In CustodyPolice said they needed to question the suspects at the crime scene — before daybreak — to have them retrace their steps and collect more evidence. But by sunrise, all four suspects had been shot dead by police. They had yet to be charged. "Law has done its duty," the top police official on the case, V.C. Sajjanar, told reporters at a news conference.Not for the failures of violent crime tactics (although there are numerous failings on that front) but for the increasingly common assumption that there certain classes of people, namely politicians and the rich, who are actively protected by the government legal apparatus. They are afforded privileges to which we have no access. And even worse, that government legal apparatus has been weaponized for the craven political and financial desires of the chosen few. How will this play out? Will the elites -- the Deep StateTM -- win out? Will they retain control of the whip hand of government and continue their campaign to cow into total submission the people of America? Or will there be a sea change? One that takes back the power to control our government, rather than be controlled? I have no idea.
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Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 08, 2019 12:21 PM (Dhht7)
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I'll get the others
Posted by: Max Power at December 08, 2019 12:21 PM (QCc6B)
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th
Posted by: FloridaMan at December 08, 2019 12:21 PM (B8eTP)
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rd
Posted by: FloridaMan at December 08, 2019 12:22 PM (B8eTP)
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I nooded them.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 08, 2019 12:22 PM (Dhht7)
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Aaron! Sill wrong
Posted by: FloridaMan at December 08, 2019 12:22 PM (B8eTP)
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Not Aaron -- aargh! Darned spchk
Posted by: FloridaMan at December 08, 2019 12:23 PM (B8eTP)
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I think the sign says "Out to Lunch"
Posted by: FloridaMan at December 08, 2019 12:24 PM (B8eTP)
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We haven't decided if they committed suicide or died trying to escape.
We haven't decided if they committed suicide or died trying to escape.
Posted by: Captain Vijay Renault at December 08, 2019 12:24 PM (7rVsF)
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I am hoping for sea change, but not optimistic. The "elites" are financially dependent on selling us out, so they will need more than a few scabby reports recommending training
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 12:25 PM (U7k5w)
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India is just trying to catch up. Ruby Ridge and Waco happened a couple of decades ago, didn't they?
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 08, 2019 12:26 PM (0GvUH)
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The cops shooting shit up in Florida should probably be a wake up call.
We have cops getting killed, we have people killed by cops. None of it makes sense.
We have cops getting killed, we have people killed by cops. None of it makes sense.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 12:27 PM (ZfRYq)
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For one second I read "Indiana police," but it's India. God only knows what other elements there are to the story. The cops might be heroes.
For one second I read "Indiana police," but it's India. God only knows what other elements there are to the story. The cops might be heroes.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 08, 2019 12:28 PM (13CQC)
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Under our now two tier system it's going to really suck.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 12:28 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Epstein at December 08, 2019 12:29 PM (6A9Kg)
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The overwhelming number of people in power are fully invested in the status quo. How many oxen are gored by Trump's changes in power structure?
Posted by: FloridaMan at December 08, 2019 12:29 PM (B8eTP)
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I don't know either. It would seem on one hand that we won't get "there" through elections. On the other hand, elections gave us Trump, the single most important reform agent in our time. (Reagan was not a reformist; dealing with corruption was not his beat). Ultimately you must come up with the right (and right number) of people sufficient to implement reform across the sprawling reaches of the government. Don't you? How else can it be done?
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 12:29 PM (H8QX8)
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How will this play out? Will the elites -- the Deep StateTM -- win out? Will they retain control of the whip hand of government and continue their campaign to cow into total submission the people of America? Or will there be a sea change? One that takes back the power to control our government, rather than be controlled?
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I am optimistic. Not with the "we won't solve this at the ballot box" crowd at all. Because the ballot box has proven effective. Tea party revolution, Trump. We just need to be smarter. A lot smarter, leaner, meaner. Not take all for granted and constantly work at maintaining gains. And stop complaining.
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I am optimistic. Not with the "we won't solve this at the ballot box" crowd at all. Because the ballot box has proven effective. Tea party revolution, Trump. We just need to be smarter. A lot smarter, leaner, meaner. Not take all for granted and constantly work at maintaining gains. And stop complaining.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:31 PM (zr5Kq)
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I don't know either. It would seem on one hand that we won't get "there" through elections. On the other hand, elections gave us Trump, the single most important reform agent in our time.
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Without Trump winning we never would've known how f*cked we already were.
Sadly we'll just go back to sleep after he's gone. We'll remember we're f*cked, but we'll let them keep doing it.
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Without Trump winning we never would've known how f*cked we already were.
Sadly we'll just go back to sleep after he's gone. We'll remember we're f*cked, but we'll let them keep doing it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Rainbow flags on men indicate poop is a major sexual turn on at December 08, 2019 12:32 PM (dSvao)
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Ultimately you must come up with the right (and
right number) of people sufficient to implement reform across the
sprawling reaches of the government. Don't you? How else can it be done?
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 12:29 PM (H8QX
Of course! The question is whether it will happen or will we be subsumed by the Deep State and its corruption.
And my "I have no idea" wasn't rhetorical!
right number) of people sufficient to implement reform across the
sprawling reaches of the government. Don't you? How else can it be done?
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 12:29 PM (H8QX
Of course! The question is whether it will happen or will we be subsumed by the Deep State and its corruption.
And my "I have no idea" wasn't rhetorical!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2019 12:32 PM (wYseH)
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In a modern day Horatio Alger story, even a poor boy can, through luck and pluck, become a director of a Ukrainian gas company for $80,000 a month.
In a modern day Horatio Alger story, even a poor boy can, through luck and pluck, become a director of a Ukrainian gas company for $80,000 a month.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 08, 2019 12:33 PM (7rVsF)
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It's already here. See, e.g., the events in Broward just the other day. Cops expending a couple hundred rounds into a UPS truck with a hostage in it, in rush hour traffic, using innocent bystanders as meat shields, and killing both the hostage and some poor bastard just sitting in his car. These fucker made Judge Dredd look restrained.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2019 12:33 PM (NWiLs)
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These *fuckers*
Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2019 12:34 PM (NWiLs)
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It doesn't surprise me in countries that most justice is a two or three tier system those who can go around it. Corrupt countries which are most of the world it might be your only hope.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 12:34 PM (ZCEU2)
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Re-examining deTocqueville's observations of life in America in the 1830's he made a couple of relevant points.
1. At the time the relative paucity of a federal bureaucracy meant that towns and localities were relatively self-governed by civic minded citizens.
2. He predicted that rise of pure democracy or "mob-rule" would lead to erosion of the '"rule of law" to be replaced by rule by the passions of the people.
Witness today's Twitter mobs and doxxing, coupled with an unelected bureaucratic state.
1. At the time the relative paucity of a federal bureaucracy meant that towns and localities were relatively self-governed by civic minded citizens.
2. He predicted that rise of pure democracy or "mob-rule" would lead to erosion of the '"rule of law" to be replaced by rule by the passions of the people.
Witness today's Twitter mobs and doxxing, coupled with an unelected bureaucratic state.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 08, 2019 12:34 PM (m45I2)
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Thanks for the new thread, CBD!
Posted by: m at December 08, 2019 12:35 PM (oGFm1)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 08, 2019 12:36 PM (V5bdY)
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It was a really good movies on Netflix about what's going on in India
One was about this girl that was Raped and Killed guys that did it real rich and what they did was they paid off witnesses so that he would be found not guilty, it's based on a true story
The other one is about the caste system, these little girls were turning up dead no one cared because they were from the lowest cast in India, and the new police chief that's in charge is from the big city and he doesn't get what's going on. I mean it was fascinating because some of the villagers would refuse to shake their hands or even be near them. I'm just glad we don't have that class system here yet I mean yet
One was about this girl that was Raped and Killed guys that did it real rich and what they did was they paid off witnesses so that he would be found not guilty, it's based on a true story
The other one is about the caste system, these little girls were turning up dead no one cared because they were from the lowest cast in India, and the new police chief that's in charge is from the big city and he doesn't get what's going on. I mean it was fascinating because some of the villagers would refuse to shake their hands or even be near them. I'm just glad we don't have that class system here yet I mean yet
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 08, 2019 12:36 PM (dKiJG)
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Cops expending a couple hundred rounds into a UPS truck with a hostage in it, in rush hour traffic, using innocent bystanders as meat shields, and killing both the hostage and some poor bastard just sitting in his car.
My betters tell me only law-enforcement officials have the training to use firearms responsibly.
*tugs forelock respectfully*
Cops expending a couple hundred rounds into a UPS truck with a hostage in it, in rush hour traffic, using innocent bystanders as meat shields, and killing both the hostage and some poor bastard just sitting in his car.
My betters tell me only law-enforcement officials have the training to use firearms responsibly.
*tugs forelock respectfully*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 08, 2019 12:36 PM (7rVsF)
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Insomniac- my view in war and in civilian shootouts when lead is flying their not aiming their spraying.
Hate to otherwise comment on a matter I have not read a account of yet
Hate to otherwise comment on a matter I have not read a account of yet
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 12:38 PM (ZCEU2)
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Hmmm. Yes but no. Shouldn't the citizens be shooting the cops--you know--the ones who are going all-in on defending the Deep State?
Posted by: Le Stain du Poop at December 08, 2019 12:38 PM (JFkWq)
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I am sorry-- I meant to say "their MASTERS at the Deep State"....
Posted by: Le Stain du Poop at December 08, 2019 12:39 PM (JFkWq)
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I don't know what to think. If the 4 suspects were actually the violent thugs who raped and killed the victim I sympathize with the police for deciding not to risk the courts giving the thugs a pass. But I don't trust police anymore than the courts and if they don't face consequences for this even if they had the actual thugs; future police somewhere in India will end up shooting someone who was falsely accused of rape or murder by some vile coward looking for 3rd party revenge.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 08, 2019 12:40 PM (n4y+3)
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He predicted that rise of pure democracy or "mob-rule" would lead to erosion of the '"rule of law" to be replaced by rule by the passions of the people.
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In other words anarchy ?
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In other words anarchy ?
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:40 PM (zr5Kq)
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If a gang of vigilantes take Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Mueller and Weissman to the the Hoover Building in the middle of the night to "retrace their steps," it'll be the only way any of them face any kind of justice. That whole rule of law thing was nice while it lasted, but that's in the past.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 12:40 PM (IYcBz)
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-- Is this what is coming in America? When it is blatantly obvious that some are above the law, are the good and not-so-good people of this country going to take matters into their own hands? --
Not to put too fine a point on it: Yes! Indeed, it might already be in progress. And for my money, it's about time.
Not to put too fine a point on it: Yes! Indeed, it might already be in progress. And for my money, it's about time.
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at December 08, 2019 12:40 PM (RmBQf)
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The TEA Party revolution was still just the (R)s using us for our votes before stabbing us in the back, though, wasn't it?
The next step is not voting, which brings in full on leftists. That's what they're banking on to stay in power, and they're mostly right.
The out-of-power left gets the NRA to push gun bans after a shooting that was forgotten the next week, and we get tax cuts that will expire with (R) majorities in Congress and and the most conservative president since Coolidge.
Prepare accordingly.
The next step is not voting, which brings in full on leftists. That's what they're banking on to stay in power, and they're mostly right.
The out-of-power left gets the NRA to push gun bans after a shooting that was forgotten the next week, and we get tax cuts that will expire with (R) majorities in Congress and and the most conservative president since Coolidge.
Prepare accordingly.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Rainbow flags on men indicate poop is a major sexual turn on at December 08, 2019 12:40 PM (dSvao)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 08, 2019 12:41 PM (V5bdY)
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I suspect it's going to require a significant portion of the country (perhaps 1/3 as during the American Revolution) to have a "nothing left to lose" attitude ("Freedom's just another word ...), which will likely only result after some devastating black swan event like the economy crashing.
Another scenario that I've always believed would precipitate CWII would be when they start going door-to-door to confiscate firearms -- which I suspect would create a division in the military and LEO groups.
But yeah, I can see increased vigilantism before then with a nakedly overt in-your-face two-tiered justice system. Those who make criminal justice impossible will make vigilante justice inevitable.
Another scenario that I've always believed would precipitate CWII would be when they start going door-to-door to confiscate firearms -- which I suspect would create a division in the military and LEO groups.
But yeah, I can see increased vigilantism before then with a nakedly overt in-your-face two-tiered justice system. Those who make criminal justice impossible will make vigilante justice inevitable.
Posted by: ShainS at December 08, 2019 12:41 PM (WqPYg)
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30 Insomniac- my view in war and in civilian shootouts when lead is flying their not aiming their spraying.
Hate to otherwise comment on a matter I have not read a account of yet
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 12:38 PM (ZCEU2)
Lots of lethal firepower, marginal intelligence, high adrenaline, sub-optimal training, density of civilians. Not good combination.
Hate to otherwise comment on a matter I have not read a account of yet
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 12:38 PM (ZCEU2)
Lots of lethal firepower, marginal intelligence, high adrenaline, sub-optimal training, density of civilians. Not good combination.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 12:41 PM (H8QX8)
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Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2019 12:33 PM (NWiLs)
I guess a better written post would have included a link to that event.
Oh...wait!
I guess a better written post would have included a link to that event.
Oh...wait!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2019 12:42 PM (wYseH)
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Maybe one of the worst news conferences ever. She may have used every cliche possible. Total bullshit!
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at December 08, 2019 12:42 PM (vGJY7)
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35 If a gang of vigilantes take Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Mueller and Weissman to the the Hoover Building in the middle of the night to "retrace their steps," it'll be the only way any of them face any kind of justice. That whole rule of law thing was nice while it lasted, but that's in the past.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 12:40 PM (IYcBz)
Yes.. If they can let Hillary off with serious crimes with no intent, but punish PDT for zero crimes and imaginary intent, we are truly fucked. We live in Bolshevik land.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 12:40 PM (IYcBz)
Yes.. If they can let Hillary off with serious crimes with no intent, but punish PDT for zero crimes and imaginary intent, we are truly fucked. We live in Bolshevik land.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 12:42 PM (U7k5w)
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Ultimately someone will demand a Ceaucescu dance of the deep state. That is unless this globalist NGO money laundering cabal can be jailed first.
Posted by: henry at December 08, 2019 12:43 PM (J3Rfi)
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The Movie is called ARTICLE 15, I really just found the moving very fascinating.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 08, 2019 12:43 PM (dKiJG)
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One could argue you're describing what already exists, and has existed for decades, in black communities all across the country. And it's increasingly hitting poorer white communities as well.
The law is the enemy, because it's enforced to reward the status quo power structure, and the people who are ground up in it see themselves as a commodity.
The law is the enemy, because it's enforced to reward the status quo power structure, and the people who are ground up in it see themselves as a commodity.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2019 12:43 PM (hku12)
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That whole rule of law thing was nice while it lasted, but that's in the past.
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Don't start the revolution without me.
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Don't start the revolution without me.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:44 PM (zr5Kq)
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The same people who no longer discuss the debt or deficit also aren't discussing disbanding the FBI and CIA.
So yeah, we've already chosen the road we're on.
So yeah, we've already chosen the road we're on.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Rainbow flags on men indicate poop is a major sexual turn on at December 08, 2019 12:44 PM (dSvao)
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Bread and circuses.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:45 PM (zr5Kq)
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I don't know how you fight against either a deep state ruling power or a deep state bureaucratic nightmare. You can't vote them out, they are funded by unknown budgets, the prosecutors won't prosecute themselves, they can ignore all politicians, they don't care if they lose a limb here or there because they have deep roots.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 08, 2019 12:46 PM (r+sAi)
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In the old Western movies the lynch mob broke in to the jail and hanged the suspect. In India the sheriff beats them to the punch.
In the old Western movies the lynch mob broke in to the jail and hanged the suspect. In India the sheriff beats them to the punch.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 08, 2019 12:47 PM (aKsyK)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 12:47 PM (9gDA7)
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We take root stimulator. We give them 007's piss.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 08, 2019 12:49 PM (V5bdY)
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This is the future. I'm here to say, I wholeheartedly believe that if the dems are allowed to continue the Schiff show against Trump and GET AWAY with it, unscathed, your government will stop at nothing to convert you to want they want you to be, or kill you.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 12:49 PM (9gDA7)
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41 Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2019 12:33 PM (NWiLs)
I guess a better written post would have included a link to that event.
Oh...wait!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2019 12:42 PM (wYseH)
Yeah, but that was yesterday. That's, like, a thousand years ago in Internet time!
I guess a better written post would have included a link to that event.
Oh...wait!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 08, 2019 12:42 PM (wYseH)
Yeah, but that was yesterday. That's, like, a thousand years ago in Internet time!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2019 12:49 PM (NWiLs)
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50: Continuing resolutions mean no oversight. And I agree with the prosecutors, the whole system is so incestuous that entire extended families live off the DC mess or are part of the media. The limbs they lose will have to be physical freedoms before a change is made. It's a hideous nightmare.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 12:49 PM (U7k5w)
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Welp, the emergency is done. Yay me!
Yeah, the extra grim unexpected consequences (if you have a shoe size IQ) -
of the Democrats New Policies of
Mob Violence
Destruction of the Rule of Law
Encouraging Racial Hatred and Violence
Establishment of a De Facto Royalty unanswerable to Law and the Citizens of the USA
Destruction of Societal and Moral Norms
Gleeful Destruction of the Middle and Working Classes
Destruction of the Free Market with Socialism/Communism as the new social/economic system
Benefits such as healthcare, etc predicated on political beliefs
are all pretty obvious.
But, yeah, who will win?
That's the question, isn't it?
Yeah, the extra grim unexpected consequences (if you have a shoe size IQ) -
of the Democrats New Policies of
Mob Violence
Destruction of the Rule of Law
Encouraging Racial Hatred and Violence
Establishment of a De Facto Royalty unanswerable to Law and the Citizens of the USA
Destruction of Societal and Moral Norms
Gleeful Destruction of the Middle and Working Classes
Destruction of the Free Market with Socialism/Communism as the new social/economic system
Benefits such as healthcare, etc predicated on political beliefs
are all pretty obvious.
But, yeah, who will win?
That's the question, isn't it?
Posted by: naturalfake at December 08, 2019 12:50 PM (9X624)
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Justice is just another marketplace. If the established provider, the courts/penal system, fails to provide it, black-market providers will arise.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2019 12:51 PM (/sgva)
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54 This is the future. I'm here to say, I wholeheartedly believe that if the dems are allowed to continue the Schiff show against Trump and GET AWAY with it, unscathed, your government will stop at nothing to convert you to want they want you to be, or kill you.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 12:49 PM (9gDA7)
I think people like Cass Sunstein and Schiff would gladly kill us.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 12:49 PM (9gDA7)
I think people like Cass Sunstein and Schiff would gladly kill us.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 12:52 PM (U7k5w)
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Deep state has a lifeblood. In reality, it is this or other side of capital that is funding deep state. We have a nice fusion of capitalism (free markets as it were) and constitutional republicanism. At the end, business is business, and deep state became bad for business. That is one of many reasons why we got Trump.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:52 PM (zr5Kq)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 12:47 PM (9gDA7)
nice job, you are getting better at it, still, not there yet.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 12:47 PM (9gDA7)
nice job, you are getting better at it, still, not there yet.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:53 PM (zr5Kq)
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Watching FBI presser on Pensacola shooter. Plain stonewalling, sounds like a presser from the Vegas shooting. I'll bet a nickel that once again, this guy was previously reported as a threat, or even working for the worthless FBI.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 12:54 PM (IYcBz)
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 12:54 PM (ZfRYq)
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It ultimately hinges on the definition of "us".
Posted by: Muldoon at December 08, 2019 12:54 PM (m45I2)
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Obama was better for business than McCain, obama won.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:55 PM (zr5Kq)
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I think people like Cass Sunstein and Schiff would gladly kill us.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 12:52 PM (U7k5w)
I think the left / Dems certainly want to kill us. They're for open boarders. They're for importing "refugees" from the middle east. They're for disarming the law abiding so the lawless and kill at will.
They're showing with no consequence they're out to transform this nation whether you'll come along or not. IF not, you're expendable and they'll import the killers to do it.
I think people like Cass Sunstein and Schiff would gladly kill us.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 12:52 PM (U7k5w)
I think the left / Dems certainly want to kill us. They're for open boarders. They're for importing "refugees" from the middle east. They're for disarming the law abiding so the lawless and kill at will.
They're showing with no consequence they're out to transform this nation whether you'll come along or not. IF not, you're expendable and they'll import the killers to do it.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 12:55 PM (9gDA7)
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Nadler was on Chuck Todds screed this morning saying Trump is rigging the 2020 election. Seems the other side WANTS a civil war. Unbelievable.
Now to bread and circuses, er beer and football.
Now to bread and circuses, er beer and football.
Posted by: henry at December 08, 2019 12:55 PM (J3Rfi)
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In India, rape and murder happen when you go to jail.
It's called the "Detroit" model of incarceration.
It's called the "Detroit" model of incarceration.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 08, 2019 12:55 PM (Z+IKu)
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At least Wall street thought that baracka was better for them than McCain.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:55 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 12:56 PM (ZfRYq)
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President Warren sends in Federal Relocation Bureau Conscripts to round up stragglers in push to re-beautify America's interior parklands. New Green Deal Population Adjustment Centers filled to capacity, Secretary of Climate Science Compliance Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recommends larger incinerators.
Posted by: Green Government News headlines 2028 at December 08, 2019 12:56 PM (2F6tK)
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Why does the press fall over themselves to cover a press conference in which absolutely no NEW information is going to be revealed?
I know why, but just saying
I know why, but just saying
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 12:56 PM (o1fzk)
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Trump is a billionaire with an entire army of lawyers working 24-7 to counter the attack.
Imagine how trivially easy it would be to destroy Joe the Plumber.
Imagine how trivially easy it would be to destroy Joe the Plumber.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 08, 2019 12:56 PM (0GvUH)
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I think the left / Dems certainly want to kill us.
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I think they want us to shut up and sit down.
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I think they want us to shut up and sit down.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:57 PM (zr5Kq)
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I think people like Cass Sunstein and Schiff would gladly kill us.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 12:52 PM (U7k5w)
If we didn't consent to re-education, certainly.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 12:52 PM (U7k5w)
If we didn't consent to re-education, certainly.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 12:57 PM (H8QX8)
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Or will there be a sea change?
It will take a tsunami, which I think is building. I'm waiting to see what happens with Jesse Watters. That was an important development last night.
It will take a tsunami, which I think is building. I'm waiting to see what happens with Jesse Watters. That was an important development last night.
Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2019 12:57 PM (1+J19)
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They got away with Bork. They did not get away with Kavanaugh.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:58 PM (zr5Kq)
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62 Watching FBI presser on Pensacola shooter. Plain stonewalling, sounds like a presser from the Vegas shooting. I'll bet a nickel that once again, this guy was previously reported as a threat, or even working for the worthless FBI.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 12:54 PM (IYcBz)
They've turned into one of the most monstrously corrupt institutions on the planet. Trump should have fired Wray after the CNN alert on Roger Stone. Even Chris Christie would have been better, but alas, Ivanka's FIL did time because of Chris
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 12:54 PM (IYcBz)
They've turned into one of the most monstrously corrupt institutions on the planet. Trump should have fired Wray after the CNN alert on Roger Stone. Even Chris Christie would have been better, but alas, Ivanka's FIL did time because of Chris
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 12:58 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 12:58 PM (o1fzk)
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Until a leader rises on our side, fearless, intelligent, ruthless, charismatic, wily and pious, and calls up the militia to get the mobilization going,....
we are their bitches.
Until a leader rises on our side, fearless, intelligent, ruthless, charismatic, wily and pious, and calls up the militia to get the mobilization going,....
we are their bitches.
Posted by: Sapwolf at December 08, 2019 12:58 PM (nuv3n)
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I think they want us to shut up and sit down.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:57 PM (zr5Kq)
That goes along with it. If you don't, they'll move some refugees into your area, or find some tax evasion.....or sick antifa loose on you.
I think they want us to shut up and sit down.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 12:57 PM (zr5Kq)
That goes along with it. If you don't, they'll move some refugees into your area, or find some tax evasion.....or sick antifa loose on you.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 12:58 PM (9gDA7)
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'm waiting to see what happens with Jesse Watters. That was an important development last night.
Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2019 12:57 PM (1+J19)
I must have missed that. What happened?
Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2019 12:57 PM (1+J19)
I must have missed that. What happened?
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 12:59 PM (H8QX8)
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One that takes back the power to control our government, rather than be controlled?
Louis XVI nods sadly.
Louis XVI nods sadly.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 08, 2019 12:59 PM (hGXZE)
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Right now I have no faith in anyone in charge. I hope Barr proves me wrong.
Posted by: Iblis at December 08, 2019 01:00 PM (1mpw4)
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Used to be that press conferences were designed to keep the public informed--and calm.
Now they keep the public UNinformed--and on edge.
Orwellian.
Now they keep the public UNinformed--and on edge.
Orwellian.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:00 PM (o1fzk)
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Memba when the Dems were saying it was unAmerican to question the integrity of elections?
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:00 PM (ZfRYq)
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The Declaration says it is our responsibility to throw off a tyrannical government ...
I'd say the reasonable measures have been tried -- but rejected by the tyrants ... and the strategic shooting should have begun ... ? well, at any number of inflection points.
* Nixon taken out by DeepState? ...
* Dems refusing to give Ford money to back up the S Vietnamese we left marooned? ...
* Clinton and ChinaGate? ...
* almost everything Obama/Hillary did?
*New Deal, Square Deal, Great Society?
I'd say the reasonable measures have been tried -- but rejected by the tyrants ... and the strategic shooting should have begun ... ? well, at any number of inflection points.
* Nixon taken out by DeepState? ...
* Dems refusing to give Ford money to back up the S Vietnamese we left marooned? ...
* Clinton and ChinaGate? ...
* almost everything Obama/Hillary did?
*New Deal, Square Deal, Great Society?
Posted by: illiniwek at December 08, 2019 01:00 PM (Cus5s)
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However, to comment on the actual blog post, I have no doubt that there are small towns with corrupt law enforcement as you've seen on TV and in movies as "fiction."
Art imitates life imitates art.
My wife watches Chitcago PD and they portray shit like this ALL the time.
Art imitates life imitates art.
My wife watches Chitcago PD and they portray shit like this ALL the time.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 01:00 PM (9gDA7)
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How is Trump "rigging" 2020?
By mentioning Biden in that stupid phone call?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 12:58 PM (o1fzk)
Maybe by actually delivering on at least some of his election promises? Democrats hate that; sets an impossible bar for them.
By mentioning Biden in that stupid phone call?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 12:58 PM (o1fzk)
Maybe by actually delivering on at least some of his election promises? Democrats hate that; sets an impossible bar for them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2019 01:02 PM (/sgva)
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@77 they absolutely got away with what they did to Kavanaugh. No one on the left paid a price for the false accusations and perjury. In fact they were enriched.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:02 PM (ZfRYq)
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Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:02 PM (ZfRYq)
AG Rosenstein was never going to prosecute his donk buddies.
AG Rosenstein was never going to prosecute his donk buddies.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:03 PM (U7k5w)
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That India thing--the story I read dis not give the ethnic background of either the victim or the suspects.
Was in Muzzie on Hindu? Vise-versa ?
That would explain the celebrations by the townspeople.
Was in Muzzie on Hindu? Vise-versa ?
That would explain the celebrations by the townspeople.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:03 PM (o1fzk)
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@77 they absolutely got away with what they did to Kavanaugh. No one on the left paid a price for the false accusations and perjury. In fact they were enriched.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:02 PM (ZfRYq)
That's why a Senate impeachment trial would be Kavanaugh on steroids.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:02 PM (ZfRYq)
That's why a Senate impeachment trial would be Kavanaugh on steroids.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (H8QX8)
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They achieved nothing with their crap impeachment theater. Only trivialized the impact of that word and that process. It has become like divorce. Before it was shocking, unheard of and shameful. Now everyone is doing it.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (zr5Kq)
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Blaster - was thinking today along those lines. The Leftist media and there mouthpiece the Democrats see nothing wrong in a IG report if it is bad acts by the FBI, it's all good if in the right frame of mind to them.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (ZCEU2)
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It ultimately hinges on the definition of "us".
Posted by: Muldoon at December 08, 2019 12:54 PM
Yes. I'm reminded of a story my dad told of being with an older liquor license investigator who had taken over a retiree's region of Detroit. They walked into a Chaldean immigrant's restaurant and the owner took them into tge office and offered them cash. The extortion was possible because the immigrant thought greasing the wheel was always how things are done.
God help us if/when Latin American-style corruption is the new normal.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 08, 2019 12:54 PM
Yes. I'm reminded of a story my dad told of being with an older liquor license investigator who had taken over a retiree's region of Detroit. They walked into a Chaldean immigrant's restaurant and the owner took them into tge office and offered them cash. The extortion was possible because the immigrant thought greasing the wheel was always how things are done.
God help us if/when Latin American-style corruption is the new normal.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (/+bwe)
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I sincerely think we are at a tipping point. Civil society cannot be sustained under a two tier justice system. How close we are to exploring will be revealed in the next year.
I'm not optimistic.
I'm not optimistic.
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (7ZQe3)
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Exploding, I meant to say
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (7ZQe3)
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94: We do not know what they've achieved yet. This is not over.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (U7k5w)
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I must have missed that. What happened?
He briefly discussed Q as a real thing with some professor last night, and in a somewhat positive light. I don't think that's happened on the MFM before.
He briefly discussed Q as a real thing with some professor last night, and in a somewhat positive light. I don't think that's happened on the MFM before.
Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2019 01:05 PM (IMdOQ)
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That India thing--the story I read dis not give the ethnic background of either the victim or the suspects.
Was in Muzzie on Hindu? Vise-versa ?
That would explain the celebrations by the townspeople.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:03 PM (o1fzk)
Based on the names, and the photos, it seems clear to me the victim and her supporters are Hindu. Perps names not given, so may have been muzzie, maybe not.
Was in Muzzie on Hindu? Vise-versa ?
That would explain the celebrations by the townspeople.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:03 PM (o1fzk)
Based on the names, and the photos, it seems clear to me the victim and her supporters are Hindu. Perps names not given, so may have been muzzie, maybe not.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2019 01:06 PM (/sgva)
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Until a leader rises on our side, fearless, intelligent, ruthless, charismatic, wily and pious, and calls up the militia to get the mobilization going,....
Store shelves are stocked. EBT and debit cards still work. Amazon is shipping...nothing will happen.
Until a leader rises on our side, fearless, intelligent, ruthless, charismatic, wily and pious, and calls up the militia to get the mobilization going,....
Store shelves are stocked. EBT and debit cards still work. Amazon is shipping...nothing will happen.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 08, 2019 01:06 PM (aKsyK)
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94 They achieved nothing with their crap impeachment theater. Only trivialized the impact of that word and that process. It has become like divorce. Before it was shocking, unheard of and shameful. Now everyone is doing it.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (zr5Kq)
No, actually they damaged our credibility and power worldwide.
EU leaders laughing at the President? NORKS now saying no more negotiations on nucs? China trade deal stalled?
This farce has damaged foreign policy.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (zr5Kq)
No, actually they damaged our credibility and power worldwide.
EU leaders laughing at the President? NORKS now saying no more negotiations on nucs? China trade deal stalled?
This farce has damaged foreign policy.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:07 PM (NgKpN)
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Jerry Nadler's gunt should be charged with running a coverup operation.
Posted by: N.L. Urker Philips Screwdriver of the Gods at December 08, 2019 01:07 PM (Uu+Jp)
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99 94: We do not know what they've achieved yet. This is not over.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (U7k5w)
Correct. The left often lures us into thinking they've made irrecoverable idiots of themselves. Then they win. We have shame and we feel the exhaustion in bad behavior. They do not.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:04 PM (U7k5w)
Correct. The left often lures us into thinking they've made irrecoverable idiots of themselves. Then they win. We have shame and we feel the exhaustion in bad behavior. They do not.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 01:07 PM (H8QX8)
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How is Trump "rigging" 2020?
As a Moron here often puts it, "Meep, meep, motherfuckers!"
Every time they pounce, it turns out to be their own tail.
As a Moron here often puts it, "Meep, meep, motherfuckers!"
Every time they pounce, it turns out to be their own tail.
Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2019 01:07 PM (IMdOQ)
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They will vote bill of impeachment out to the floor Tuesday. Floor vote Thursday.
Going to carry by 2 or 3 votes.
Going to carry by 2 or 3 votes.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (ZfRYq)
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He briefly discussed Q as a real thing with some professor last night, and in a somewhat positive light. I don't think that's happened on the MFM before.
Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2019 01:05 PM (IMdOQ)
IMO Q is a fiction used to pacify the people. "Trust" "everything is under control". But whose control. Some say getting angry makes you do the wrong thing, but being sheep allows them to step all over you. Passivity worries no one. If I had to guess, I'd bet Comey and Brennan came up with Q.
Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2019 01:05 PM (IMdOQ)
IMO Q is a fiction used to pacify the people. "Trust" "everything is under control". But whose control. Some say getting angry makes you do the wrong thing, but being sheep allows them to step all over you. Passivity worries no one. If I had to guess, I'd bet Comey and Brennan came up with Q.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (U7k5w)
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I think if take equal parts of
San Francisco
Broward County
And the titanic state corruption of Deep State DC
and mix well.
That's pretty much the future the Democrats have in mind for us.
And by us, I mean, everyone outside the DC elect.
Yeeesh, that shootout was like they tapped into someone's worst nightmare of police state police and decided to use it as their model for "law and order".
San Francisco
Broward County
And the titanic state corruption of Deep State DC
and mix well.
That's pretty much the future the Democrats have in mind for us.
And by us, I mean, everyone outside the DC elect.
Yeeesh, that shootout was like they tapped into someone's worst nightmare of police state police and decided to use it as their model for "law and order".
Posted by: naturalfake at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (9X624)
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Q was troll performance art.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM (ZfRYq)
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rape is a real proin India
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM (G546f)
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They will vote bill of impeachment out to the floor Tuesday. Floor vote Thursday.
Going to carry by 2 or 3 votes.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (ZfRYq)
as we fall further into the abyss. It shouldn't have been allowed to get this far. It's a sham. We'll soon find out how powerful the deep state is as I really don't have a lot of faith he'll get a FAIR trial in the Senate, either.
Going to carry by 2 or 3 votes.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (ZfRYq)
as we fall further into the abyss. It shouldn't have been allowed to get this far. It's a sham. We'll soon find out how powerful the deep state is as I really don't have a lot of faith he'll get a FAIR trial in the Senate, either.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM (9gDA7)
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Naughty Pine, See Chicago, now entire state of Illinois.
Posted by: henry at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM (J3Rfi)
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Passivity worries no one. If I had to guess, I'd bet Comey and Brennan came up with Q.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (U7k5w)
Don't know why the sentence was cut off
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (U7k5w)
Don't know why the sentence was cut off
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM (U7k5w)
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No, actually they damaged our credibility and power worldwide.
EU leaders laughing at the President? NORKS now saying no more negotiations on nucs? China trade deal stalled?
This farce has damaged foreign policy.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:07 PM (NgKpN)
I disagree. EU leaders - nothing new there. NORKSs know that 2020 election is upon us and are misreading the tealeaves, thinking Biden will win and let them off the hook. China trade deal is continuous back and forth. So far so good. Have to expect resistance.
EU leaders laughing at the President? NORKS now saying no more negotiations on nucs? China trade deal stalled?
This farce has damaged foreign policy.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:07 PM (NgKpN)
I disagree. EU leaders - nothing new there. NORKSs know that 2020 election is upon us and are misreading the tealeaves, thinking Biden will win and let them off the hook. China trade deal is continuous back and forth. So far so good. Have to expect resistance.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)
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now it's back, weird
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:10 PM (U7k5w)
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Obama inoculated many with the antileftes virus.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 08, 2019 01:10 PM (V5bdY)
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Rape is a real problem in the US Congress.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 08, 2019 01:11 PM (Z+IKu)
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I really don't have a lot of faith he'll get a FAIR trial in the Senate, either.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM (9gDA7)
I predict mayhem. It's all they know how to do, and they do it well.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM (9gDA7)
I predict mayhem. It's all they know how to do, and they do it well.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 01:11 PM (H8QX8)
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91 Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:02 PM (ZfRYq)
AG Rosenstein was never going to prosecute his donk buddies.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:03 PM (U7k5w)
I contend that Rosenstein was not evil, he was weak.
He was kowtowing to BOTH sides, telling them what they wanted to hear.
He did not have the nads to stop Mueller. But he also did not have the nads to really HELP Mueller.
Same with the FISA stuff. He signed the papers for the last extension, even after it was public knowledge the predicating documents were fake, at the same time he was telling the President he supported HIM.
He needed to pick a side. He didn't IMO.
AG Rosenstein was never going to prosecute his donk buddies.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:03 PM (U7k5w)
I contend that Rosenstein was not evil, he was weak.
He was kowtowing to BOTH sides, telling them what they wanted to hear.
He did not have the nads to stop Mueller. But he also did not have the nads to really HELP Mueller.
Same with the FISA stuff. He signed the papers for the last extension, even after it was public knowledge the predicating documents were fake, at the same time he was telling the President he supported HIM.
He needed to pick a side. He didn't IMO.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:11 PM (NgKpN)
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Rape is a real problem in the US Congress.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 08, 2019 01:11 PM (Z+IKu)
And in hollywood. And on the left.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 08, 2019 01:11 PM (Z+IKu)
And in hollywood. And on the left.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 01:12 PM (9gDA7)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 08, 2019 01:13 PM (r+sAi)
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However, to comment on the actual blog post, I have no doubt that there are small towns with corrupt law enforcement as you've seen on TV and in movies as "fiction."
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I grew up in one. Though, TBF, adjacent small departments viewed our cops as corrupt, unhirable jokes. In fact, when they'd fire someone's dirty ass for corruption, Park County was the dumping ground. If you were crooked enough, and did enough dirt for Sheriff Wegener, you could make Undersheriff pretty quick.
He was finally, finally knocked out of office democratically last year. Because Sheriffs in Park County basically have plenary powers, he couldn't be fired for basically any reason. When it became clear that his twenty year reign of corruption was drawing to a close, the bastard bolted to Florida for early retirement, and his crooked deputies just sat on their hands for the rest of his term.
When the press protested his absence he tweeted photos of himself fishing as a response.
For an idea of the man's mindset, he had the word "Sheriff" tattooed in a large, old West style font on his fucking forearms. Total POS.
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I grew up in one. Though, TBF, adjacent small departments viewed our cops as corrupt, unhirable jokes. In fact, when they'd fire someone's dirty ass for corruption, Park County was the dumping ground. If you were crooked enough, and did enough dirt for Sheriff Wegener, you could make Undersheriff pretty quick.
He was finally, finally knocked out of office democratically last year. Because Sheriffs in Park County basically have plenary powers, he couldn't be fired for basically any reason. When it became clear that his twenty year reign of corruption was drawing to a close, the bastard bolted to Florida for early retirement, and his crooked deputies just sat on their hands for the rest of his term.
When the press protested his absence he tweeted photos of himself fishing as a response.
For an idea of the man's mindset, he had the word "Sheriff" tattooed in a large, old West style font on his fucking forearms. Total POS.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:13 PM (IYcBz)
Posted by: Hillarious I at December 08, 2019 01:13 PM (oVJmc)
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He needed to pick a side. He didn't IMO.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:11 PM (NgKpN)
Signing a FISA renewal application was choosing sides. I know that old Stealth Jeff wrote him a big sloppy billet doux today, but that doesn't make it true. And he made sure there WAS a Mueller.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:11 PM (NgKpN)
Signing a FISA renewal application was choosing sides. I know that old Stealth Jeff wrote him a big sloppy billet doux today, but that doesn't make it true. And he made sure there WAS a Mueller.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:14 PM (U7k5w)
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heh.
Renters who talk?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 08, 2019 01:13 PM (r+sAi)
Yeah, I knew someone would comment......borders. SOOOOO sorry.....
Damn spelling nazis......
Renters who talk?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 08, 2019 01:13 PM (r+sAi)
Yeah, I knew someone would comment......borders. SOOOOO sorry.....
Damn spelling nazis......
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 01:14 PM (9gDA7)
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I don't think the India thing has any bearing on our LE problems and here's why.
We have many more legal remedies. The families of the UPS driver hostage and the innocent bystander are going to sue and get millions, and while that will not bring their loved ones back, it can be argued that justice was done.
Also, as tight-lipped as the authorities might be right now, the inept police are not out of the legal woods yet.
We have many more legal remedies. The families of the UPS driver hostage and the innocent bystander are going to sue and get millions, and while that will not bring their loved ones back, it can be argued that justice was done.
Also, as tight-lipped as the authorities might be right now, the inept police are not out of the legal woods yet.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:14 PM (o1fzk)
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You're going to have to prosecute these people with juries outside of Washington DC.
Move agencies outside of DC? Mass firings?
But if 98% of DC votes for Hillary, you're never going to effectively prosecute these people. And they know that, and so does their legal counsel.
Move agencies outside of DC? Mass firings?
But if 98% of DC votes for Hillary, you're never going to effectively prosecute these people. And they know that, and so does their legal counsel.
Posted by: Blago at December 08, 2019 01:14 PM (sjTfF)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:15 PM (o1fzk)
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My point is the President on the infamous phone call was asking about the meddling in the 2016 election which the Democrats screamed holy terror about not anything about the upcoming election.
Which as Leftists do the 2016 election meddling was on their part and tried to use the old mirror trick.
Which as Leftists do the 2016 election meddling was on their part and tried to use the old mirror trick.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:15 PM (ZCEU2)
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The Deep State and the MSM are a tough combo to beat. Think what things would be like now without the net.
Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at December 08, 2019 01:16 PM (ihU8z)
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See Greg Craig for results of DC juries.
Posted by: henry at December 08, 2019 01:16 PM (J3Rfi)
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Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)
so, it is your contention that the Press salivating over the President of the US being impeached, does NOT hurt his negotiations with rival foreign powers?
If you go by Press accounts, the President is damaged. The walls are closing in.
And the US Government itself is imploding. Hell, spending bills STILL not done? Trade Deal with Mexico and Canada in limbo?
Our government is currently dysfunctional thanks to the Dems in the HOUSE, but you think that has NO bearing on Foreign relations?
so, it is your contention that the Press salivating over the President of the US being impeached, does NOT hurt his negotiations with rival foreign powers?
If you go by Press accounts, the President is damaged. The walls are closing in.
And the US Government itself is imploding. Hell, spending bills STILL not done? Trade Deal with Mexico and Canada in limbo?
Our government is currently dysfunctional thanks to the Dems in the HOUSE, but you think that has NO bearing on Foreign relations?
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:16 PM (NgKpN)
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If you go by press accounts,
Michelle O is fabulously attractive
Hillary is healthy and qualified
Joe Biden never misspeaks and is centrist
NYT is relevant and moderat
Michelle O is fabulously attractive
Hillary is healthy and qualified
Joe Biden never misspeaks and is centrist
NYT is relevant and moderat
Posted by: henry at December 08, 2019 01:19 PM (J3Rfi)
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Isn't it about time for another meteor to strike the DC metropolitan area? It's been a few million years since the last strike after all.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2019 01:19 PM (d5Ayn)
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Sounds like the suspects were killed to protect a powerful person who was likely the actual rapist.
But that's just an instant impression from reading the blurb, informed by my growing cynicism.
But that's just an instant impression from reading the blurb, informed by my growing cynicism.
Posted by: Emmie at December 08, 2019 01:19 PM (87gB3)
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Naughty Pine, See Chicago, now entire state of Illinois.
Posted by: henry at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM
My dad used to go to Chicago frequently. He was astonished that second- and third-generation Americans preferred importing and living the worst aspects of Italy.
Posted by: henry at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM
My dad used to go to Chicago frequently. He was astonished that second- and third-generation Americans preferred importing and living the worst aspects of Italy.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at December 08, 2019 01:19 PM (/+bwe)
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Don't let yourself think that it's only the American press that is trying to damage and embarrass Trump. The Euro media is worse.
I traveled to Denmark a few years ago during the McCain / Palin run. They believed everything Tina Fey said was from Palin. Because their media told them so.
I traveled to Denmark a few years ago during the McCain / Palin run. They believed everything Tina Fey said was from Palin. Because their media told them so.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 01:20 PM (9gDA7)
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Side note if you haven't checked out the Bongino report yet it's got potential.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:20 PM (ZCEU2)
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Epstein didn't kill himself.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:20 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2019 01:20 PM (d5Ayn)
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Was Hunter Biden in India?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2019 01:20 PM (d5Ayn)
He was out all night with the Grand Marquis.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2019 01:20 PM (d5Ayn)
He was out all night with the Grand Marquis.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 01:21 PM (9gDA7)
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Our government is currently dysfunctional thanks to the Dems in the HOUSE, but you think that has NO bearing on Foreign relations?
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:16 PM (NgKpN
I think it does, and that is one of the motivators for the Dems. If we didn't have Dems actively trying to topple our government, I think China would come to an agreement faster, for instance. But successes like that would make Trump look good, and then he might be re-elected. We can't have that!
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:16 PM (NgKpN
I think it does, and that is one of the motivators for the Dems. If we didn't have Dems actively trying to topple our government, I think China would come to an agreement faster, for instance. But successes like that would make Trump look good, and then he might be re-elected. We can't have that!
Posted by: Emmie at December 08, 2019 01:23 PM (87gB3)
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Q was troll performance art.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM (ZfRYq
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Yup... and it's funny.
I've got a pretty epic trolling effort I'm working on. I mean, it's only sort of a troll, because I'm sincere about it. But I have no expectation of doing anything but, perhaps, pissing people off. So I think it qualifies as trolling.
I conceived of it on Thanksgiving, and my goal was to roll it out by NYE, but I've been making killer progress and may be ready earlier. I forgot that when I think something is funny, I can work like a whirling dervish.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:09 PM (ZfRYq
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Yup... and it's funny.
I've got a pretty epic trolling effort I'm working on. I mean, it's only sort of a troll, because I'm sincere about it. But I have no expectation of doing anything but, perhaps, pissing people off. So I think it qualifies as trolling.
I conceived of it on Thanksgiving, and my goal was to roll it out by NYE, but I've been making killer progress and may be ready earlier. I forgot that when I think something is funny, I can work like a whirling dervish.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:23 PM (IYcBz)
145
In Arkansas, a Policeman was sitting in his car, outside the Precinct.
Guy walked up and executed him.
Perp was killed.
No motive as of yet.
THIS is the kind of shit that will start the slide into Chaos, as Police see themselves as targets in a warzone, instead of Officers of the Law, enforcing said law.
Guy walked up and executed him.
Perp was killed.
No motive as of yet.
THIS is the kind of shit that will start the slide into Chaos, as Police see themselves as targets in a warzone, instead of Officers of the Law, enforcing said law.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:23 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:25 PM (ZCEU2)
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145 In Arkansas, a Policeman was sitting in his car, outside the Precinct.
Guy walked up and executed him.
Perp was killed.
No motive as of yet.
THIS is the kind of shit that will start the slide into Chaos, as Police see themselves as targets in a warzone, instead of Officers of the Law, enforcing said law.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:23 PM (NgKpN)
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Why your head should ALWAYS be on a swivel anywhere in public.
And if you're a cop, especially so.
Guy walked up and executed him.
Perp was killed.
No motive as of yet.
THIS is the kind of shit that will start the slide into Chaos, as Police see themselves as targets in a warzone, instead of Officers of the Law, enforcing said law.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:23 PM (NgKpN)
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Why your head should ALWAYS be on a swivel anywhere in public.
And if you're a cop, especially so.
Posted by: SMH at December 08, 2019 01:25 PM (RU4sa)
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Here is the thing with cops and this did not just start. They are not there to uphold the law they are there to enforce the peace.
You can be fully within your rights and cops can shoot you down legally.
You can be fully within your rights and cops can shoot you down legally.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:25 PM (ZfRYq)
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With all the feral youths with 'divine sparks' on the loose, anyone can be a target.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2019 01:27 PM (d5Ayn)
150
I agree that Impeachment Circus is hurting the president's ability to conduct foreign relations as he sees fit and this is having serious ramifications on world events.
Still, Trump picks his spots and is managing to get things done.
Heal beat them.
The Dems and the media thinks it's funny that Macron and Trudeau, who both have their own serious issue to deal with, were laughing at him, but they won't be laughing much longer.
Still, Trump picks his spots and is managing to get things done.
Heal beat them.
The Dems and the media thinks it's funny that Macron and Trudeau, who both have their own serious issue to deal with, were laughing at him, but they won't be laughing much longer.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:27 PM (o1fzk)
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Why your head should ALWAYS be on a swivel anywhere in public.
And if you're a cop, especially so.
=
yeah, on a swivel looking for the nearest Starbucks...
And if you're a cop, especially so.
=
yeah, on a swivel looking for the nearest Starbucks...
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:27 PM (zr5Kq)
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When the press protested his absence he tweeted photos of himself fishing as a response.
For an idea of the man's mindset, he had the word "Sheriff" tattooed in a large, old West style font on his fucking forearms. Total POS.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:13 PM (IYcBz)
The Dallas County's Constable's office became a snakepit of corruption a bit over a decade ago; it got broken up and came to light, and the details got printed. Basically the constables office does most of the grunt work, like serving papers and tracking warrants, but they are peace officers. So this group hit on the scheme of following illegals, but NOT to arrest them; instead, when they saw any of them with no car, they'd bust them, grab the keys, and tell them if they said anything they'd go back to Mexico that night. Then they'd sell the car (I think to organized crime characters who take flatbeds full of "used cars" to Mexico every week.) then the guys in the department would split the cash. I think they got to where they were grabbing and selling 30 or 40 new cars a month to "supplement their salary". Basically, they were just another extortion racket. And I'm sure they were grabbing and selling any drugs they ran across as well.
For an idea of the man's mindset, he had the word "Sheriff" tattooed in a large, old West style font on his fucking forearms. Total POS.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:13 PM (IYcBz)
The Dallas County's Constable's office became a snakepit of corruption a bit over a decade ago; it got broken up and came to light, and the details got printed. Basically the constables office does most of the grunt work, like serving papers and tracking warrants, but they are peace officers. So this group hit on the scheme of following illegals, but NOT to arrest them; instead, when they saw any of them with no car, they'd bust them, grab the keys, and tell them if they said anything they'd go back to Mexico that night. Then they'd sell the car (I think to organized crime characters who take flatbeds full of "used cars" to Mexico every week.) then the guys in the department would split the cash. I think they got to where they were grabbing and selling 30 or 40 new cars a month to "supplement their salary". Basically, they were just another extortion racket. And I'm sure they were grabbing and selling any drugs they ran across as well.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:28 PM (V2Yro)
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The good news is we have a Slovenian Super-Model for a First Lady.
You would think someone would be smart enough to put her on a magazine cover and interview her about being the first immigrant First Lady since the Founders, but no.
You would think someone would be smart enough to put her on a magazine cover and interview her about being the first immigrant First Lady since the Founders, but no.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 08, 2019 01:28 PM (r+sAi)
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I worry that we are not far from a old Dane justice system where ever man defends his own rights, within a recognized rights structure, and does it with an axe.
The police are not here not protect us per se. They are here to protect the criminals from us.
The police are not here not protect us per se. They are here to protect the criminals from us.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 08, 2019 01:28 PM (yQpMk)
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Don Q - There is a movie about Algeria that is made almost a documentary about their independence in the late 50s. I watched that some time ago ( was on again a few weeks ago) and saw that is exactly what a civil war could start here.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058946/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058946/
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:28 PM (ZCEU2)
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with a NEW car not "No car"
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:28 PM (V2Yro)
157
The Dems and the media thinks it's funny that Macron and Trudeau, who both have their own serious issue to deal with, were laughing at him, but they won't be laughing much longer.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:27 PM (o1fzk)
So you believe in Horowitz.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:27 PM (o1fzk)
So you believe in Horowitz.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (U7k5w)
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There's covert/de facto/camouflaged shredding of the rule of law [RoL] - bribes to local inspectors, dirty cops, corrupt local councils or boards. This in endemic and has always been/always will be a problem with human systems. Though on this, there are degrees of corruption and that matters - and that's probably getting worse/more extensive vs. 25 years ago [every metropolitan area going towards a Cook County/northern NJ norm].
Then there's the destruction of RoL we're seeing now - FBI/IC plotting against political figures, brazen revolt against all norms and many laws with "sanctuary" crap. Much higher level, systemic.
Barr obviously needs to deal with the former decisively if any credibility is to be salvaged. But so far the latter has run rampant, continues to grow, with impunity. As important, there is zero stigma connected to this, and mass public indifference [polling confirms huge super-majorities oppose it - but the public passively accepts it, for the most part].
Patriotic immigrant policeman gunned down on Christmas Day, leaving a young family, by an illegal alien who's been deported multiple times and has a record ...... 2-day story, "outrage" fades within hours. Lawless govt. pushing its revolt against sanity didn't even have to dissemble or mumble or hide - they quadrupled down in the months after. With political impunity.
We'll get just as much injustice and degradation as the populace will tolerate. It's been tolerating quite a bit. Tea Party and Trump may be corpse-twitches, we may see soon enough.
Then there's the destruction of RoL we're seeing now - FBI/IC plotting against political figures, brazen revolt against all norms and many laws with "sanctuary" crap. Much higher level, systemic.
Barr obviously needs to deal with the former decisively if any credibility is to be salvaged. But so far the latter has run rampant, continues to grow, with impunity. As important, there is zero stigma connected to this, and mass public indifference [polling confirms huge super-majorities oppose it - but the public passively accepts it, for the most part].
Patriotic immigrant policeman gunned down on Christmas Day, leaving a young family, by an illegal alien who's been deported multiple times and has a record ...... 2-day story, "outrage" fades within hours. Lawless govt. pushing its revolt against sanity didn't even have to dissemble or mumble or hide - they quadrupled down in the months after. With political impunity.
We'll get just as much injustice and degradation as the populace will tolerate. It's been tolerating quite a bit. Tea Party and Trump may be corpse-twitches, we may see soon enough.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (El6T/)
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I contend that Rosenstein was not evil, he was weak.
He was kowtowing to BOTH sides, telling them what they wanted to hear.
He did not have the nads to stop Mueller. But he also did not have the nads to really HELP Mueller.
Same with the FISA stuff. He signed the papers for the last extension, even after it was public knowledge the predicating documents were fake, at the same time he was telling the President he supported HIM.
He needed to pick a side. He didn't IMO.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:11 PM (NgKpN)
Not to defend Rosenstein, but I'll bet 80 - 90% of the people in the bureaucracy are just like that. That's why they're in the bureaucracy, so they can have a job where they can hide and not take responsibility for anything.
He was kowtowing to BOTH sides, telling them what they wanted to hear.
He did not have the nads to stop Mueller. But he also did not have the nads to really HELP Mueller.
Same with the FISA stuff. He signed the papers for the last extension, even after it was public knowledge the predicating documents were fake, at the same time he was telling the President he supported HIM.
He needed to pick a side. He didn't IMO.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:11 PM (NgKpN)
Not to defend Rosenstein, but I'll bet 80 - 90% of the people in the bureaucracy are just like that. That's why they're in the bureaucracy, so they can have a job where they can hide and not take responsibility for anything.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (V2Yro)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (d5Ayn)
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (zr5Kq)
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Tom Servo that sounds exactly like PCSD. Exactly.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:31 PM (IYcBz)
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:31 PM (U7k5w)
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157 The Dems and the media thinks it's funny that Macron and Trudeau, who both have their own serious issue to deal with, were laughing at him, but they won't be laughing much longer.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:27 PM (o1fzk)
So you believe in Horowitz.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (U7k5w)
LAFFA WHILE YOU CANNA, MONKEE BOY!!!
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:27 PM (o1fzk)
So you believe in Horowitz.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (U7k5w)
LAFFA WHILE YOU CANNA, MONKEE BOY!!!
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo at December 08, 2019 01:33 PM (V2Yro)
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Not to defend Rosenstein, but I'll bet 80 - 90% of the people in the bureaucracy are just like that. That's why they're in the bureaucracy, so they can have a job where they can hide and not take responsibility for anything.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (V2Yro)
DAG is not a job that should be all about hiding. The man was de facto AG. He helped put Mueller in place, so it there's a "plan", he was part of it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (V2Yro)
DAG is not a job that should be all about hiding. The man was de facto AG. He helped put Mueller in place, so it there's a "plan", he was part of it.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:33 PM (U7k5w)
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Q kind of read like Nostradamus.
Posted by: klaftern at December 08, 2019 01:33 PM (RuIsu)
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Tom I'm in agreement with that about Rosenstein
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:33 PM (ZCEU2)
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Not to defend Rosenstein, but I'll bet 80 - 90% of the people in the bureaucracy are just like that. That's why they're in the bureaucracy, so they can have a job where they can hide and not take responsibility for anything.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (V2Yro)
Agree 100%. Even saw it in the Military with some Officers, and was a Pandemic amongst the Senior Enlisted.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:30 PM (V2Yro)
Agree 100%. Even saw it in the Military with some Officers, and was a Pandemic amongst the Senior Enlisted.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:34 PM (NgKpN)
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157--I wasn't talking about Horowitz, only from a vague ( but becoming increasingly clear on a daily basis) sense that Trump is going to finish on top.
It's not that he is God-like--although it's fun toying with that meme--it's because his enemies are evil idiots.
It's not that he is God-like--although it's fun toying with that meme--it's because his enemies are evil idiots.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:35 PM (o1fzk)
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If I gotta choose between the local constables setting up speed traps to extract cash from taxpayers or having then despoil illegals, I'll settle for the latter.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 08, 2019 01:35 PM (H5knJ)
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Remember the rape gang in England somewhere? They were treated like precious snowflakes as I recall.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 08, 2019 01:36 PM (l9m7l)
Posted by: 11B40 at December 08, 2019 01:36 PM (evgyj)
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Hey I just read the actual article about the policeman in India, and I must say all this criticism is unfounded. They all say that somehow the suspects took all of their handcuffs off and were all shot while trying to escape. Swearsies.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:36 PM (V2Yro)
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here is a movie about Algeria that is made almost a
documentary about their independence in the late 50s. I watched that
some time ago ( was on again a few weeks ago) and saw that is exactly
what a civil war could start here.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058946/
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:28 PM (ZCEU2)
looks interesting. Now where to find it to watch online.
documentary about their independence in the late 50s. I watched that
some time ago ( was on again a few weeks ago) and saw that is exactly
what a civil war could start here.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058946/
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:28 PM (ZCEU2)
looks interesting. Now where to find it to watch online.
Posted by: Quint at December 08, 2019 01:36 PM (n13/j)
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Agree 100%. Even saw it in the Military with some Officers, and was a Pandemic amongst the Senior Enlisted.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:34 PM (NgKpN)
So he was a helpless Sgt Schultz, just going along to get along, signing the FISA app, appointing Mueller, just staying neutral? He was Mueller's intern in Massachussets. not an unconnected lower level bureaucrat!
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 01:34 PM (NgKpN)
So he was a helpless Sgt Schultz, just going along to get along, signing the FISA app, appointing Mueller, just staying neutral? He was Mueller's intern in Massachussets. not an unconnected lower level bureaucrat!
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:37 PM (U7k5w)
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There have been enough people saying this IG report is going to be very bad for the FBI I am keeping fingers crossed when I get home tomorrow afternoon there will be a Flaming Skull Pudding Cup thread to comment on.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:38 PM (ZCEU2)
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The rule of law is broken, probably has been for a long time, was probably never carried out perfectly at any time, but is an ideal that we should work to have in our society.
We, you and I, want a return to the rule of law. Those that benefit from the rule of man do not. They, according to their desire, work outside the law. We, according to our desire, try to work within the law.
Our dilemma is, what actions do we take, within or outside, of the law, to restore the rule of law.
We, you and I, want a return to the rule of law. Those that benefit from the rule of man do not. They, according to their desire, work outside the law. We, according to our desire, try to work within the law.
Our dilemma is, what actions do we take, within or outside, of the law, to restore the rule of law.
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 01:38 PM (pawKV)
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After the Horowitz report the whole of the FBI will be transferred to HR so they can all train each other on how not to let bias infect their jobs.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:39 PM (ZfRYq)
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Quint - It was on TCM like a week ago, sometimes old movies if you search on line you can see it free.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:39 PM (ZCEU2)
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176 There have been enough people saying this IG report is going to be very bad for the FBI I am keeping fingers crossed when I get home tomorrow afternoon there will be a Flaming Skull Pudding Cup thread to comment on.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:38 PM (ZCEU2)
This would be lovely! Conservative Treehouse has an article on the IG report and "intent"
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:38 PM (ZCEU2)
This would be lovely! Conservative Treehouse has an article on the IG report and "intent"
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 01:40 PM (pawKV)
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DAG is not a job that should be all about hiding. The man was de facto AG. He helped put Mueller in place, so it there's a "plan", he was part of it.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:33 PM (U7k5w)
Do you remember the "Peter Principle"??? It's worth recalling. Peter wrote that In any Large Organization, people will be promoted up to the point where they reach a level of total incompetence, which is were they stay. Their bosses don't fire them when this happens because that would mean admitting to a mistake, so they ignore them.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:33 PM (U7k5w)
Do you remember the "Peter Principle"??? It's worth recalling. Peter wrote that In any Large Organization, people will be promoted up to the point where they reach a level of total incompetence, which is were they stay. Their bosses don't fire them when this happens because that would mean admitting to a mistake, so they ignore them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:40 PM (V2Yro)
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Why are we talking about this stuff when it's-
DAY SIX of THE GREAT PELOTON COMMERCIAL CRISIS!!!!!11111!!!
It's kind of a brilliant Rorschach Test for Progtardedness by the way.
If they react with outrage, well...now you know.
Several of Insty's cob-loggers have displayed severe signs of Progtardation based on this simple test:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/350735/#respond
The science is settled, people.
Why are we talking about this stuff when it's-
DAY SIX of THE GREAT PELOTON COMMERCIAL CRISIS!!!!!11111!!!
It's kind of a brilliant Rorschach Test for Progtardedness by the way.
If they react with outrage, well...now you know.
Several of Insty's cob-loggers have displayed severe signs of Progtardation based on this simple test:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/350735/#respond
The science is settled, people.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 08, 2019 01:40 PM (9X624)
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yeah, on a swivel looking for the nearest Starbucks...
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:27 PM (zr5Kq)
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Heh.
Seriously though, if you're not checking entryways and exits whenever you're in a public place, checking out the people around you, and have a plan in case things go sideways, you're not paying attention.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:27 PM (zr5Kq)
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Heh.
Seriously though, if you're not checking entryways and exits whenever you're in a public place, checking out the people around you, and have a plan in case things go sideways, you're not paying attention.
Posted by: SMH at December 08, 2019 01:41 PM (RU4sa)
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178 After the Horowitz report the whole of the FBI will be transferred to HR so they can all train each other on how not to let bias in their jobs be seen.
FIFY
FIFY
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:41 PM (ZCEU2)
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If I gotta choose between the local constables setting up speed traps to extract cash from taxpayers or having then despoil illegals, I'll settle for the latter.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 08, 2019 01:35 PM (H5knJ
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I feel ya, but it's only workable if they have an underclass to victimize. Where I grew up, all they really had was citizens to victimize, and boy did they ever.
And if you were a crook, and slinging dope, they'd hit you and send you up. And then sell the dope right back to their preferred vendors.
Shit, they even (repeatedly) burgled the frontier museum in South Park for Indian artefacts they sold to rich folks. These are "steal anything that ain't nailed down " types and they don't care who they have to fuck for a buck.
No sense of right or wrong, just killer bees out for your honeycomb. The criminals have more morals.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 08, 2019 01:35 PM (H5knJ
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I feel ya, but it's only workable if they have an underclass to victimize. Where I grew up, all they really had was citizens to victimize, and boy did they ever.
And if you were a crook, and slinging dope, they'd hit you and send you up. And then sell the dope right back to their preferred vendors.
Shit, they even (repeatedly) burgled the frontier museum in South Park for Indian artefacts they sold to rich folks. These are "steal anything that ain't nailed down " types and they don't care who they have to fuck for a buck.
No sense of right or wrong, just killer bees out for your honeycomb. The criminals have more morals.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:42 PM (IYcBz)
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Imagine how trivially easy it was to destroy Joe the Plumber.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Then, there's the rodeo clown.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Then, there's the rodeo clown.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2019 01:43 PM (2kj6M)
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Q-anon inspired some good people imo, that had internet savvy to troll the MSM and other leftists. that was useful ... and I think he (they) is anti-DeepState ... and he is no dummy. But all his cryptic phrasing at this point is keeping some hope alive ... and even assuming he is a LARP, there are many that jump off from there to research more deeply into the criminal adventures ... like the child trafficking, or the Ukraine things ... some gave up on Q and went on their own as useful YouTubers (e.g. Tracy Beanz) ... while Lisa Mei is interesting ...
I haven't followed Q closely enough lately to know if he is just spewing cryptic garbage about secret conspiracies, but I don't think it is Brennan or DeepState behind it ... but who knnows, maybe at a critical point he will show himself to be just one more DS mole, undermining another group of patriots.
I haven't followed Q closely enough lately to know if he is just spewing cryptic garbage about secret conspiracies, but I don't think it is Brennan or DeepState behind it ... but who knnows, maybe at a critical point he will show himself to be just one more DS mole, undermining another group of patriots.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 08, 2019 01:43 PM (Cus5s)
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It's not that he is God-like--although it's fun toying with that meme--it's because his enemies are evil idiots.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:35 PM (o1fzk)
They are evil, but they've run a pretty good game so far. They have undermined him at every turn. While it may look like a farcical game, the effects have been dreadful. Trump should have appointed an AG and FBI director who would have gone after Hillary and company, not a bunch of sissies who defer to the democrats. I do not believe in the chess strategy theory of this.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:35 PM (o1fzk)
They are evil, but they've run a pretty good game so far. They have undermined him at every turn. While it may look like a farcical game, the effects have been dreadful. Trump should have appointed an AG and FBI director who would have gone after Hillary and company, not a bunch of sissies who defer to the democrats. I do not believe in the chess strategy theory of this.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:43 PM (U7k5w)
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Not that I have great expectations for the release of the Horowitz report, but I wonder what the MSM will whip up to blunt it's potential impact.
Or will Jimmah just shuffle off his peanut shell?
RBG?
A school shooting somewhere?
Or will Jimmah just shuffle off his peanut shell?
RBG?
A school shooting somewhere?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:44 PM (o1fzk)
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There have been enough people saying this IG report is going to be very bad for the FBI I am keeping fingers crossed...
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They are speculating.
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They are speculating.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2019 01:44 PM (2kj6M)
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Do you remember the "Peter Principle"??? It's worth recalling. Peter wrote that In any Large Organization, people will be promoted up to the point where they reach a level of total incompetence, which is were they stay. Their bosses don't fire them when this happens because that would mean admitting to a mistake, so they ignore them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:40 PM (V2Yro)
I remember it well. Rosenstein was appointed by Trump, engineered firing Comey and then appointed Mueller. He's not incompetent he's competent with malintent. There is a world of difference.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:40 PM (V2Yro)
I remember it well. Rosenstein was appointed by Trump, engineered firing Comey and then appointed Mueller. He's not incompetent he's competent with malintent. There is a world of difference.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:46 PM (U7k5w)
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Remember the rape gang in England somewhere? They were treated like precious snowflakes as I recall.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 08, 2019 01:36 PM (l9m7l)
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Rotherham. Tommy Robinson's done several vacations at Her Majesty's pleasure for exposing the malfeasance surrounding that case (and others).
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 08, 2019 01:36 PM (l9m7l)
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Rotherham. Tommy Robinson's done several vacations at Her Majesty's pleasure for exposing the malfeasance surrounding that case (and others).
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eriously though, if you're not checking entryways and exits whenever you're in a public place, checking out the people around you, and have a plan in case things go sideways, you're not paying attention.
Posted by: SMH at December 08, 2019 01:41 PM (RU4sa)
I hear you.
Posted by: SMH at December 08, 2019 01:41 PM (RU4sa)
I hear you.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:47 PM (zr5Kq)
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The IG report could say the FBI murders people indiscriminately. Its what action the govt will take that is the important thing. Which I expect to be squat based on experience.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 08, 2019 01:48 PM (r+sAi)
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The cops might be heroes.
Blonde Morticia has a point.
The rape situation in India is pretty out there--recall the case a few years ago when a young woman went to a movie with a male friend, and a group of young men riding with their friend in an off-duty bus picked them up at a stop, beat the young man and gang-savaged the woman, including internal perforations from use of a metal pipe.
She was from a family with enough means to transfer to Singapore for surgery, but I don't remember how it turned out, other than that the crime, while horrific, was not completely out of the ordinary there.
that one got worldwide publicity because the woman and her friend were of a more-significant class than many victims.
Blonde Morticia has a point.
The rape situation in India is pretty out there--recall the case a few years ago when a young woman went to a movie with a male friend, and a group of young men riding with their friend in an off-duty bus picked them up at a stop, beat the young man and gang-savaged the woman, including internal perforations from use of a metal pipe.
She was from a family with enough means to transfer to Singapore for surgery, but I don't remember how it turned out, other than that the crime, while horrific, was not completely out of the ordinary there.
that one got worldwide publicity because the woman and her friend were of a more-significant class than many victims.
Posted by: barbarausa at December 08, 2019 01:49 PM (W7IZQ)
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188, I don't subscribe to the Eleventy Chess Theory either. My focus is not on Trump's abilities, but on his enemies ability to screw it up.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:49 PM (o1fzk)
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this ep is abput the bombing of Dresden
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 08, 2019 01:50 PM (G546f)
Posted by: mjc at December 08, 2019 01:50 PM (Pg+x7)
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weeki wachee
Posted by: mjc at December 08, 2019 01:50 PM (Pg+x7)
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... damn splchk.
Posted by: mjc at December 08, 2019 01:51 PM (Pg+x7)
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That CT artical could be the outcome now that we have intent as the driving factor for a crime to have been committed.
More again on our new two tier justice system.
More again on our new two tier justice system.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:51 PM (ZCEU2)
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Shit, they even (repeatedly) burgled the frontier museum in South Park for Indian artefacts they sold to rich folks. These are "steal anything that ain't nailed down " types and they don't care who they have to fuck for a buck.
No sense of right or wrong, just killer bees out for your honeycomb. The criminals have more morals.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:42 PM (IYcBz)
Agree completely. The core problem with corrupt cops is that the Corruption ALWAYS grows. One day they're scamming illegals, and they get a taste for the easy money. next month Deputy Joe whacks his ex's new boyfriend because he never liked him, and the month after that they're taking over the drug rackets in the area, and you got a mafia running everything. That's the status quo in just about every country south of our border.
No sense of right or wrong, just killer bees out for your honeycomb. The criminals have more morals.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:42 PM (IYcBz)
Agree completely. The core problem with corrupt cops is that the Corruption ALWAYS grows. One day they're scamming illegals, and they get a taste for the easy money. next month Deputy Joe whacks his ex's new boyfriend because he never liked him, and the month after that they're taking over the drug rackets in the area, and you got a mafia running everything. That's the status quo in just about every country south of our border.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:52 PM (V2Yro)
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I do not believe in the chess strategy theory of this.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:43 PM (U7k5w)
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Nor do I. I think Trump decided to be gracious in victory, acting under the deadly misapprehension that his enemies would be chastened, fearful, and therefore gracious in defeat.
That is not how power demons think. It's not a business or a game to them.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:43 PM (U7k5w)
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Nor do I. I think Trump decided to be gracious in victory, acting under the deadly misapprehension that his enemies would be chastened, fearful, and therefore gracious in defeat.
That is not how power demons think. It's not a business or a game to them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:52 PM (IYcBz)
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eh so many bleeding heart brits
Germany is lucky they lost before the A-bomb was ready
Germany is lucky they lost before the A-bomb was ready
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 08, 2019 01:52 PM (G546f)
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179 Quint - It was on TCM like a week ago, sometimes old movies if you search on line you can see it free.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:39 PM (ZCEU2)
I hear ya, thanks for the tip. I will do some searching around.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:39 PM (ZCEU2)
I hear ya, thanks for the tip. I will do some searching around.
Posted by: Quint at December 08, 2019 01:53 PM (n13/j)
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With each passing day, I see less and less of a chance this will be resolved at the ballot box.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 08, 2019 01:53 PM (jWe5r)
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196 188, I don't subscribe to the Eleventy Chess Theory either. My focus is not on Trump's abilities, but on his enemies ability to screw it up.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:49 PM (o1fzk)
We'll see. Rosenstein, Weissman and the donks are pretty crafty and have the media on their side. Schiff seems incompetent on the surface, but if it goes to the Senate, relying on McConnell is no sure thing. What price will he exact? Amnesty? No wall? There are plenty of snakes who are ostensibly on "our side" who've been lying to us for years.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 08, 2019 01:49 PM (o1fzk)
We'll see. Rosenstein, Weissman and the donks are pretty crafty and have the media on their side. Schiff seems incompetent on the surface, but if it goes to the Senate, relying on McConnell is no sure thing. What price will he exact? Amnesty? No wall? There are plenty of snakes who are ostensibly on "our side" who've been lying to us for years.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:54 PM (U7k5w)
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"Because the ballot box has proven effective. Tea party revolution, Trump."
I must've missed something. Effective? In what way?
I must've missed something. Effective? In what way?
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 08, 2019 01:54 PM (jWe5r)
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the 2012 Delhi gang rape--victim did die in Singapore hospital
https://tinyurl.com/p2bfc3y
When looking that up, found that there was a rape and murder (by burning?) of a vet or veterinary student early this month. maybe not a good time to be a gang rapist and murderer in India.
(not advocating vigilante justice, just noting that it seems to have some dire provocation in that country, regarding rape)
https://tinyurl.com/p2bfc3y
When looking that up, found that there was a rape and murder (by burning?) of a vet or veterinary student early this month. maybe not a good time to be a gang rapist and murderer in India.
(not advocating vigilante justice, just noting that it seems to have some dire provocation in that country, regarding rape)
Posted by: barbarausa at December 08, 2019 01:56 PM (W7IZQ)
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I must've missed something. Effective? In what way?
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 08, 2019 01:54 PM (jWe5r)
Tea Party revolution, Trump.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 08, 2019 01:54 PM (jWe5r)
Tea Party revolution, Trump.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:56 PM (zr5Kq)
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My reaction to the brokenness of the rule of law is to avoid "the law"/ the rulers to the best of my ability and advise others to do the same.
Also I want to be aware of the rulers taking advantage of my peeps and doing what I can to help them.
Also watching for an event that will draw like minded people together to restore the rule of law to society as a whole.
Also I want to be aware of the rulers taking advantage of my peeps and doing what I can to help them.
Also watching for an event that will draw like minded people together to restore the rule of law to society as a whole.
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 01:56 PM (pawKV)
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I watched that Battle of Algeria movie and easily could imagine it happening like Trump won a 2nd election and ANTIFA was revoting.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 01:56 PM (ZCEU2)
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19 I don't know either. It would seem on one hand that we won't get "there" through elections. On the other hand, elections gave us Trump, the single most important reform agent in our time.
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Without Trump winning we never would've known how f*cked we already were.
Sadly we'll just go back to sleep after he's gone. We'll remember we're f*cked, but we'll let them keep doing it.
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Sad but true. I used to really think there were 2 distinct sides. Now, I realize, one is just more scummier than the other. Unfortunately, where there's only 2 choices, under the rules of Realpolitik someone will win. The best I can do is vote for the least scummy. Rarely is there anyone not scummy. You don't even get to be a contender at state or federal level politics unless you've sold your soul.
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Without Trump winning we never would've known how f*cked we already were.
Sadly we'll just go back to sleep after he's gone. We'll remember we're f*cked, but we'll let them keep doing it.
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Sad but true. I used to really think there were 2 distinct sides. Now, I realize, one is just more scummier than the other. Unfortunately, where there's only 2 choices, under the rules of Realpolitik someone will win. The best I can do is vote for the least scummy. Rarely is there anyone not scummy. You don't even get to be a contender at state or federal level politics unless you've sold your soul.
Posted by: Groundhog at December 08, 2019 01:57 PM (VYwSh)
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183: Seriously, Mr. Empire and I can be as alert and careful as possible ... but age and/or physical problems make much more that "duck-and-cover" impractical. And even that might not be possible, especially for him.
So would you have any suggestions? Parkinson's (for him) and essential tremors (for me) mean we don't consider concealed carry an option.
183: Seriously, Mr. Empire and I can be as alert and careful as possible ... but age and/or physical problems make much more that "duck-and-cover" impractical. And even that might not be possible, especially for him.
So would you have any suggestions? Parkinson's (for him) and essential tremors (for me) mean we don't consider concealed carry an option.
Posted by: Empire1 at December 08, 2019 01:58 PM (zCU6B)
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Nor do I. I think Trump decided to be gracious in victory, acting under the deadly misapprehension that his enemies would be chastened, fearful, and therefore gracious in defeat.
That is not how power demons think. It's not a business or a game to them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:52 PM (IYcBz)
I think Sessions helped engineer an end to "lock her up". Left to his own devices, I think he'd have pressed the Clinton Foundation issue and exposed much more graft long before the Biden graft came to the surface. Maybe old Jeff thought this was the gentlemanly thing to do, (and if any one was weak it was Sessions, not Rosenstein), but then he handed his job to Rosenstein, who was happy to turn the tables.
That is not how power demons think. It's not a business or a game to them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 08, 2019 01:52 PM (IYcBz)
I think Sessions helped engineer an end to "lock her up". Left to his own devices, I think he'd have pressed the Clinton Foundation issue and exposed much more graft long before the Biden graft came to the surface. Maybe old Jeff thought this was the gentlemanly thing to do, (and if any one was weak it was Sessions, not Rosenstein), but then he handed his job to Rosenstein, who was happy to turn the tables.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 01:58 PM (U7k5w)
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Anger can be a motivator for some, but being perpetually angry and wound up is counterproductive. Tend to miss the forest for the trees.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:58 PM (zr5Kq)
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Do you remember the "Peter Principle"??? It's worth recalling. Peter
wrote that In any Large Organization, people will be promoted up to the
point where they reach a level of total incompetence, which is were they
stay. Their bosses don't fire them when this happens because that would
mean admitting to a mistake, so they ignore them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:40 PM (V2Yro)
You see this in every war but the Civil War is a great example So often leaders were promoted to the level of their incompetence. This was doubly true because so many commanders fell and needed to be replaced.
Hood was a classic example. He was considered the best brigade commander in the war. He was a so- so division commander, and a disaster as an army commander. There are lots of examples on both sides though.
wrote that In any Large Organization, people will be promoted up to the
point where they reach a level of total incompetence, which is were they
stay. Their bosses don't fire them when this happens because that would
mean admitting to a mistake, so they ignore them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2019 01:40 PM (V2Yro)
You see this in every war but the Civil War is a great example So often leaders were promoted to the level of their incompetence. This was doubly true because so many commanders fell and needed to be replaced.
Hood was a classic example. He was considered the best brigade commander in the war. He was a so- so division commander, and a disaster as an army commander. There are lots of examples on both sides though.
Posted by: Quint at December 08, 2019 01:59 PM (n13/j)
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Will they retain control of the whip hand of government and continue their campaign to cow into total submission the people of America?
Of course. There is a close correlation between socialist states and percent of population that is foreign born.
Now you know why the floodgates to the Turd World are wide open.
Of course. There is a close correlation between socialist states and percent of population that is foreign born.
Now you know why the floodgates to the Turd World are wide open.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 08, 2019 01:59 PM (lD3vL)
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Never attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained by malice.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 08, 2019 02:00 PM (yQpMk)
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"The other one is about the caste system, these
little girls were turning up dead no one cared because they were from
the lowest cast in India, and the new police chief that's in charge is
from the big city and he doesn't get what's going on. I mean it was
fascinating because some of the villagers would refuse to shake their
hands or even be near them. I'm just glad we don't have that class
system here yet I mean yet
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 08, 2019 12:36 PM (dKiJG)"
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We're bringing in a shit-ton of foreign workers on visas that are bringing it with them.
It makes for some really surreal interactions with people even in nice areas and professional environments; they'll see you do something innocuous that, to them, marks you as a lower caste - even though applying that to someone from another culture in another country that you're a guest in is utterly batshit - and then proceed to do absurd shit.
I'm talking like, random strangers demanding that you do something as if you're a servant, near-suicidal behavior resulting from pretending that you're not there, etc.
I maintain that the single most damaging contribution to the future of western culture that the Brits gave us was bringing the English language to India. Those outside certain industries don't understand how much daily bullshit is directly attributable to that. Sometimes with fatal results (see: Boeing)
little girls were turning up dead no one cared because they were from
the lowest cast in India, and the new police chief that's in charge is
from the big city and he doesn't get what's going on. I mean it was
fascinating because some of the villagers would refuse to shake their
hands or even be near them. I'm just glad we don't have that class
system here yet I mean yet
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 08, 2019 12:36 PM (dKiJG)"
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We're bringing in a shit-ton of foreign workers on visas that are bringing it with them.
It makes for some really surreal interactions with people even in nice areas and professional environments; they'll see you do something innocuous that, to them, marks you as a lower caste - even though applying that to someone from another culture in another country that you're a guest in is utterly batshit - and then proceed to do absurd shit.
I'm talking like, random strangers demanding that you do something as if you're a servant, near-suicidal behavior resulting from pretending that you're not there, etc.
I maintain that the single most damaging contribution to the future of western culture that the Brits gave us was bringing the English language to India. Those outside certain industries don't understand how much daily bullshit is directly attributable to that. Sometimes with fatal results (see: Boeing)
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at December 08, 2019 02:01 PM (67XdO)
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it's India. God only knows what other elements there are to the story. The cops might be heroes.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
Exactly. I was and remain pretty confused about the point being made by this post. The situation in India concerning this one specific case and with rape cases in general is totally out of control. Rape suspects are often freed from jail by vigilante mobs, while rape victims are often murdered or mutilated by vigilantes before the trial can even happen. I think the police were just getting sick and tired of it, and decided to become vigilantes themselves and just executed the rapists ahead of time, knowing that the trial would either be a farce, or would never happen, or anyone testifying against the rapists would be killed.
I'm not saying that police going rogue to administer justice is a good thing, but within the context of India and what happens there daily, it's an understandable, and explains why the general public (as described in the article) cheered the cops, rather than expressing outrage at an extra-judicial killing.
I also don't think this situation has much relevance to the US at the moment. The amount (and extent) of "police overreach" here is very very minor compared to what happens in almost every other nation. It happens, sure, but I really don't think that it's part of nor connected to "The Deep State." Every case I've head of is just some frustrated, scared, inexperienced or trigger-happy patrolman firing his weapon out of fear or personal rage -- not because he's part of some government oppression.
it's India. God only knows what other elements there are to the story. The cops might be heroes.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
Exactly. I was and remain pretty confused about the point being made by this post. The situation in India concerning this one specific case and with rape cases in general is totally out of control. Rape suspects are often freed from jail by vigilante mobs, while rape victims are often murdered or mutilated by vigilantes before the trial can even happen. I think the police were just getting sick and tired of it, and decided to become vigilantes themselves and just executed the rapists ahead of time, knowing that the trial would either be a farce, or would never happen, or anyone testifying against the rapists would be killed.
I'm not saying that police going rogue to administer justice is a good thing, but within the context of India and what happens there daily, it's an understandable, and explains why the general public (as described in the article) cheered the cops, rather than expressing outrage at an extra-judicial killing.
I also don't think this situation has much relevance to the US at the moment. The amount (and extent) of "police overreach" here is very very minor compared to what happens in almost every other nation. It happens, sure, but I really don't think that it's part of nor connected to "The Deep State." Every case I've head of is just some frustrated, scared, inexperienced or trigger-happy patrolman firing his weapon out of fear or personal rage -- not because he's part of some government oppression.
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2019 02:01 PM (fK2gX)
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"Tea Party revolution, Trump."
You keep saying that. I've seen no proof.
The TEA Party was dead before it even got started. And Trump's election has simply put us on a quicker path to war.
You keep saying that. I've seen no proof.
The TEA Party was dead before it even got started. And Trump's election has simply put us on a quicker path to war.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 08, 2019 02:01 PM (jWe5r)
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216 Anger can be a motivator for some, but being perpetually angry and wound up is counterproductive. Tend to miss the forest for the trees.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:58 PM (zr5Kq)
Sometimes, but allowing evil to prosper by saying "don't worry, it's all under control", is also counter productive. Especially when we are saying that the ballot box is not the answer. A lot of public anger about Mueller, would have made them think. They quelled the anger with the Q fiction.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 01:58 PM (zr5Kq)
Sometimes, but allowing evil to prosper by saying "don't worry, it's all under control", is also counter productive. Especially when we are saying that the ballot box is not the answer. A lot of public anger about Mueller, would have made them think. They quelled the anger with the Q fiction.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 02:01 PM (U7k5w)
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To this day I don't understand "the Sessions". Was he just dumb enough to accept democrats' demands, did he underestimate the scope and eventual target of Mueller's investigation, or was he unhappy with Trump and wanted his removal.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:02 PM (zr5Kq)
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The Rule of Law always depends upon who is in charge at any given time.
It isn't gravity. It isn't engineering, except in a very generalized manner.
The Rule of Law is not immutable.
It is subject to rather extreme changes, depending upon the mood of either a ruler or the mood of people that ruler supposedly represents.
It is a moving target, people.
It is not a 'rule', at all.
It isn't gravity. It isn't engineering, except in a very generalized manner.
The Rule of Law is not immutable.
It is subject to rather extreme changes, depending upon the mood of either a ruler or the mood of people that ruler supposedly represents.
It is a moving target, people.
It is not a 'rule', at all.
Posted by: The Knave at December 08, 2019 02:02 PM (zPHMM)
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Hillary wins all this Deep State crimes are never known, and grows.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 02:03 PM (ZCEU2)
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To this day I don't understand "the Sessions". Was he just dumb enough
to accept democrats' demands, did he underestimate the scope and
eventual target of Mueller's investigation, or was he unhappy with Trump
and wanted his removal.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:02 PM (zr5Kq)"
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A large fraction of establishment republicans are living in a total fantasy-land, focused on their gravy trains and tut-tutting about people that lack class.
On the older end, a lot of their warped reality comes from being completely cut off from modern communications. They read dead tree media and see cable news here and there, and that's largely it.
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To this day I don't understand "the Sessions". Was he just dumb enough
to accept democrats' demands, did he underestimate the scope and
eventual target of Mueller's investigation, or was he unhappy with Trump
and wanted his removal.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:02 PM (zr5Kq)"
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A large fraction of establishment republicans are living in a total fantasy-land, focused on their gravy trains and tut-tutting about people that lack class.
On the older end, a lot of their warped reality comes from being completely cut off from modern communications. They read dead tree media and see cable news here and there, and that's largely it.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at December 08, 2019 02:05 PM (67XdO)
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Sometimes, but allowing evil to prosper by saying "don't worry, it's all under control", is also counter productive. Especially when we are saying that the ballot box is not the answer. A lot of public anger about Mueller, would have made them think. They quelled the anger with the Q fiction.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 02:01 PM (U7k5w)
I don't anyone here said "don't worry everything is
under control", do you ? If you have something better in mind then the ballot box, by all means, give it a go.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 02:01 PM (U7k5w)
I don't anyone here said "don't worry everything is
under control", do you ? If you have something better in mind then the ballot box, by all means, give it a go.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:05 PM (zr5Kq)
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228 Hillary wins all this Deep State crimes are never known, and grows.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 02:03 PM (ZCEU2)
If the crimes are known, but there is no retribution, IMO the situation is actually worse. You can't tell criminals "well, we'll let you get away with it this time" and not expect then to become even worse.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 02:03 PM (ZCEU2)
If the crimes are known, but there is no retribution, IMO the situation is actually worse. You can't tell criminals "well, we'll let you get away with it this time" and not expect then to become even worse.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 02:05 PM (U7k5w)
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Never attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained by malice.
Posted by: Grump928
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Ah. the Shiff/Nadler Paradox.
Posted by: Grump928
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Ah. the Shiff/Nadler Paradox.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2019 02:05 PM (4bd7D)
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*I don't think*
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:05 PM (zr5Kq)
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Tyranny is not marked out by it's severity, but rather by it's capriciousness. When the law is not the same for all, you are already living under tyranny.
Posted by: Grump928(C) reminds you at December 08, 2019 02:06 PM (yQpMk)
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"Gratitude for a new day"-A devotional from the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews:
https://tinyurl.com/yx5mq2yt
https://tinyurl.com/yx5mq2yt
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2019 02:08 PM (WI7YS)
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People want justice, if they can't get it from the government they will get it for themselves; The only way government remains legitimate is if it delivers justice in a timely and fair manner; often it is said justice delayed is justice denied
Posted by: Harry Case at December 08, 2019 02:08 PM (I3R+4)
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In the infamous words of James Comey it sounds like all they did was send up a couple of agents and see what happens
Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 08, 2019 02:08 PM (aR6C/)
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The Rule of Law is not immutable.
That is not true.
The Law Transcends mankind.
What you may confuse for a malleable Rule of Law is actually not a definition issue, but an enforcement issue.
There has long been a demarcation in law between Mala In Se (evil in of itself) and Mala Prohibita (because we say so).
Rejection of the Imago Dei does not change the fact that humans are wired up to recognize a transcendent legal/moral standard. Rejection just means that you will be wrong in your assessment.
That is not true.
The Law Transcends mankind.
What you may confuse for a malleable Rule of Law is actually not a definition issue, but an enforcement issue.
There has long been a demarcation in law between Mala In Se (evil in of itself) and Mala Prohibita (because we say so).
Rejection of the Imago Dei does not change the fact that humans are wired up to recognize a transcendent legal/moral standard. Rejection just means that you will be wrong in your assessment.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 08, 2019 02:09 PM (lD3vL)
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I don't anyone here said "don't worry everything is
under control", do you ? If you have something better in mind then the ballot box, by all means, give it a go.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:05 PM (zr5Kq)
I am talking about the "trust the plan" idea. And as for ballot box, nobody elects the bureaucracy, do they? But they have worked tirelessly to prevent actions we did vote for.
under control", do you ? If you have something better in mind then the ballot box, by all means, give it a go.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:05 PM (zr5Kq)
I am talking about the "trust the plan" idea. And as for ballot box, nobody elects the bureaucracy, do they? But they have worked tirelessly to prevent actions we did vote for.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 02:09 PM (U7k5w)
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President Trump is working within the law and if successful in bringing justice to those who think they are above the law, will restore some faith in the rule of law.
Clinton would have further destroyed the idea of equality before the law.
Education is needed to bring the idea of rule of law to the public.
Clinton would have further destroyed the idea of equality before the law.
Education is needed to bring the idea of rule of law to the public.
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 02:11 PM (pawKV)
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Alright, after reading the article, it sounds more like a case of mob "justice" instead of the orderliness of the rule of law.
Please ignore my previous impressions.
Please ignore my previous impressions.
Posted by: Emmie at December 08, 2019 02:12 PM (87gB3)
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Mike Hammer, how is your furry friend doing? I made supplication on your behalf.
Posted by: Emmie at December 08, 2019 02:14 PM (87gB3)
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I am talking about the "trust the plan" idea. And as for ballot box, nobody elects the bureaucracy, do they? But they have worked tirelessly to prevent actions we did vote for.
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 02:09 PM (U7k5w)
"A republic, if you can keep it." What do you think he meant by that ?
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 02:09 PM (U7k5w)
"A republic, if you can keep it." What do you think he meant by that ?
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:15 PM (zr5Kq)
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Education is needed to bring the idea of rule of law to the public.
Posted by: AK
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I maintain that academe is absolutely the source of our current woes. Not academe per se, but its infestation by the Left. They've been at it for decades, and have inculcated two generations with a poisonous socio-political philosophy/world view.
Posted by: AK
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I maintain that academe is absolutely the source of our current woes. Not academe per se, but its infestation by the Left. They've been at it for decades, and have inculcated two generations with a poisonous socio-political philosophy/world view.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2019 02:15 PM (HTHlp)
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107 They will vote bill of impeachment out to the floor Tuesday. Floor vote Thursday.
Going to carry by 2 or 3 votes.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (ZfRYq)
The Democrats can't wait to impeach much longer, or they'll all swallow their tongues from holding back on the words they rabidly want to say after *impeach him*, but that Nanzi has forbidden so far --- CONVICT AND REMOVE HIM!
Going to carry by 2 or 3 votes.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (ZfRYq)
The Democrats can't wait to impeach much longer, or they'll all swallow their tongues from holding back on the words they rabidly want to say after *impeach him*, but that Nanzi has forbidden so far --- CONVICT AND REMOVE HIM!
Posted by: doofus at December 08, 2019 02:15 PM (zCTLh)
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Yeah, I'd like to know, too. I asked St. Gertrude to intervene for her.
Posted by: Empire1 at December 08, 2019 02:16 PM (zCU6B)
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I do think they wanted, or Schiffty wanted to get the vote in before the IG report..
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 02:17 PM (ZCEU2)
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Education is needed to bring the idea of rule of law to the public.
The church and the John Birch Society have been doing that now since forever.
I'm not seeing progress. The usual vectors of indoctrination have dominated, plus the former US imports millions of people each year that have never seen Rule Of Law actually practiced and look at government as an invincible evil and utterly corrupt entity.
You don't fix that short of Divine Intervention.
The church and the John Birch Society have been doing that now since forever.
I'm not seeing progress. The usual vectors of indoctrination have dominated, plus the former US imports millions of people each year that have never seen Rule Of Law actually practiced and look at government as an invincible evil and utterly corrupt entity.
You don't fix that short of Divine Intervention.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 08, 2019 02:19 PM (lD3vL)
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Are we willowed?
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 02:20 PM (ZCEU2)
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247: Hopefully, it's released at midnight with a fanfare of tweets...if it's "good". If it's benign, it only feed the left
Posted by: CN at December 08, 2019 02:21 PM (U7k5w)
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Not as of this second anyway
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 02:21 PM (ZCEU2)
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Why is it, when a Republican does something that is deemed "questionable," it's an uprising, an impeachable offense and people should be imprisoned. When the LEFT does something, it's just "Tuesday."
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 02:21 PM (Zz0t1)
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Business day tomorrow
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 02:22 PM (ZCEU2)
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I just checked -- no, we haven't been willowed.
Posted by: Empire1 at December 08, 2019 02:22 PM (zCU6B)
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"A republic, if you can keep it." What do you think he meant by that ?
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams
Its pretty clear that the "religious" people didn't include Islam, and the religion of Climate Change.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams
Its pretty clear that the "religious" people didn't include Islam, and the religion of Climate Change.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 08, 2019 02:23 PM (lD3vL)
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You don't fix that short of Divine Intervention.
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Thank God for Divine Intervention.
And privatize schooling.
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Thank God for Divine Intervention.
And privatize schooling.
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 02:23 PM (pawKV)
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I also don't think this situation has much relevance to the US at the moment. The amount (and extent) of "police overreach" here is very very minor compared to what happens in almost every other nation. It happens, sure, but I really don't think that it's part of nor connected to "The Deep State." Every case I've head of is just some frustrated, scared, inexperienced or trigger-happy patrolman firing his weapon out of fear or personal rage -- not because he's part of some government oppression.
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2019 02:01 PM (fK2gX)
Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bundy Ranch: definitely Deep State, there. Las Vegas shooter? Possibly, maybe even probably, based on how thoroughly it has been covered up.
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2019 02:01 PM (fK2gX)
Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bundy Ranch: definitely Deep State, there. Las Vegas shooter? Possibly, maybe even probably, based on how thoroughly it has been covered up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2019 02:25 PM (/sgva)
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As soon as I get 2 comments in 5 I get that feeling
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 02:26 PM (ZCEU2)
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I used to ask myself way back when why hasn't Donald Trump gone after people like George Soros?
However, it seems with this whole Ukrainian deal it would appear that he has wrapped up George Soros and the Deep state in all of its ugly glory in one Fell Swoop.
People say sunlight is the best disinfectant. I believe this is true especially with known bad players like George Soros in the mix. Donald Trump said himself that he caught the Deep state. I have no reason to not believe him. The only thing that is unknown to me is the magnitude of the explosion in the Democrats faces.
I do not think this impeachment farce has a prayer of reaching the Senate because Nancy might be crazy but she's not stupid. Although and a very recent past she has caused me to rethink this. So who knows? of the explosion in the Democrats faces.
I do not think this impeachment first has a prayer of reaching the Senate because Nancy might be crazy but she's not stupid. Although and the very recent past she has caused me to rethink this. So who knows? But my money is on we are all going to have a very very wonderful, glorious, patriotic, retribution filled 2020
However, it seems with this whole Ukrainian deal it would appear that he has wrapped up George Soros and the Deep state in all of its ugly glory in one Fell Swoop.
People say sunlight is the best disinfectant. I believe this is true especially with known bad players like George Soros in the mix. Donald Trump said himself that he caught the Deep state. I have no reason to not believe him. The only thing that is unknown to me is the magnitude of the explosion in the Democrats faces.
I do not think this impeachment farce has a prayer of reaching the Senate because Nancy might be crazy but she's not stupid. Although and a very recent past she has caused me to rethink this. So who knows? of the explosion in the Democrats faces.
I do not think this impeachment first has a prayer of reaching the Senate because Nancy might be crazy but she's not stupid. Although and the very recent past she has caused me to rethink this. So who knows? But my money is on we are all going to have a very very wonderful, glorious, patriotic, retribution filled 2020
Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 08, 2019 02:26 PM (aR6C/)
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Saudi band on the run
Saudi band on the run
And the shore patrol sailor men
Were searching for Saudi band
In every tittie bar in Pensacola
C O L A ....cola
Saudi band on the run
And the shore patrol sailor men
Were searching for Saudi band
In every tittie bar in Pensacola
C O L A ....cola
Posted by: torabora at December 08, 2019 02:26 PM (Y274z)
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And eliminate the FBI
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 02:26 PM (pawKV)
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245 107 They will vote bill of impeachment out to the floor Tuesday. Floor vote Thursday.
Going to carry by 2 or 3 votes.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (ZfRYq)
The Democrats can't wait to impeach much longer, or they'll all swallow their tongues from holding back on the words they rabidly want to say after *impeach him*, but that Nanzi has forbidden so far --- CONVICT AND REMOVE HIM!
Posted by: doofus at December 08, 2019 02:15 PM (zCTLh)
And the Bill will boil down to a Thought crime about an event that never happened.
The 'new' theory is that you can impeach a President for 'improper motives'.
ie, he did something legal, but did it for a reason we did not like.
Going to carry by 2 or 3 votes.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2019 01:08 PM (ZfRYq)
The Democrats can't wait to impeach much longer, or they'll all swallow their tongues from holding back on the words they rabidly want to say after *impeach him*, but that Nanzi has forbidden so far --- CONVICT AND REMOVE HIM!
Posted by: doofus at December 08, 2019 02:15 PM (zCTLh)
And the Bill will boil down to a Thought crime about an event that never happened.
The 'new' theory is that you can impeach a President for 'improper motives'.
ie, he did something legal, but did it for a reason we did not like.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 02:27 PM (NgKpN)
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Mike Hammer, how is your furry friend doing? I made supplication on your behalf.
Posted by: Emmie
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Thanks, Emmie. Not so good. I'm doing all for her that I can.
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Thanks, Emmie. Not so good. I'm doing all for her that I can.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2019 02:27 PM (PlZlj)
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40 years ago we would have said - "eh, it's India".
Now, 40 years later. Oh, wait, it's still India.
Special protection has never been new, it's just they wheeled it out of the backroom and on to the showroom floor here for the first time where the public can no longer deny it exists.
Now, 40 years later. Oh, wait, it's still India.
Special protection has never been new, it's just they wheeled it out of the backroom and on to the showroom floor here for the first time where the public can no longer deny it exists.
Posted by: DamnedYanbkee at December 08, 2019 02:28 PM (O8SrN)
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But my money is on we are all going to have a very very wonderful, glorious, patriotic, retribution filled 2020
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Your keyboard to God's ears.
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Your keyboard to God's ears.
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 02:28 PM (pawKV)
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Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bundy Ranch: definitely Deep State, there. Las Vegas shooter? Possibly, maybe even probably, based on how thoroughly it has been covered up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2019 02:25 PM (/sgva)
These are all proof that your government is willing to kill you to get you out of the way.
The lack of ANY information coming out about the Vegas shooter is VERY telling.
That shit doesn't just happen with no conclusion, ever.
Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bundy Ranch: definitely Deep State, there. Las Vegas shooter? Possibly, maybe even probably, based on how thoroughly it has been covered up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2019 02:25 PM (/sgva)
These are all proof that your government is willing to kill you to get you out of the way.
The lack of ANY information coming out about the Vegas shooter is VERY telling.
That shit doesn't just happen with no conclusion, ever.
Posted by: Sponge at December 08, 2019 02:29 PM (Zz0t1)
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We've completely lost the educational battle. The system is so corrupted and shot through with Leftists that reform at this point seems unimaginable.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 08, 2019 02:29 PM (H8QX8)
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Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2019 02:01 PM (fK2gX)
Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bundy Ranch: definitely Deep State, there. Las Vegas shooter? Possibly, maybe even probably, based on how thoroughly it has been covered up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2019 02:25 PM (/sgva)
Exhibit 1? Asset Forfeiture. Where they can seize an amount of money, and hold it until you can PROOVE you were not doing something wrong with it.
And they get to KEEP IT.
Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bundy Ranch: definitely Deep State, there. Las Vegas shooter? Possibly, maybe even probably, based on how thoroughly it has been covered up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2019 02:25 PM (/sgva)
Exhibit 1? Asset Forfeiture. Where they can seize an amount of money, and hold it until you can PROOVE you were not doing something wrong with it.
And they get to KEEP IT.
Posted by: Don Q at December 08, 2019 02:30 PM (NgKpN)
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#255 ....and completely unregulated abortion.
Posted by: torabora at December 08, 2019 02:30 PM (Y274z)
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Nood.
Posted by: Deranged DM at December 08, 2019 02:30 PM (Q3xyR)
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It's already here. See, e.g., the events in Broward just the other day. Cops expending a couple hundred rounds into a UPS truck with a hostage in it, in rush hour traffic, using innocent bystanders as meat shields, and killing both the hostage and some poor bastard just sitting in his car. These fucker made Judge Dredd look restrained.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2019 12:33 PM (NWiLs)
I am surprised that the police didn't pull a Twin Peaks and arrest everyone on scene and charge them with homicide.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 08, 2019 12:33 PM (NWiLs)
I am surprised that the police didn't pull a Twin Peaks and arrest everyone on scene and charge them with homicide.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 08, 2019 02:31 PM (1g7ch)
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Impeachment has no meaning now. Which could be problematic in the future if we really do need to remove a President.
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 02:31 PM (pawKV)
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Well Don, if you weren't going to do anything illegal with it, and it wasn't from an illegal source, you shouldn't have any problem with us holding it until you prove 'it' is innocent, right?
Posted by: DamnedYanbkee at December 08, 2019 02:32 PM (O8SrN)
Posted by: torabora at December 08, 2019 02:32 PM (Y274z)
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>>President Trump is working within the law and if successful in bringing justice to those who think they are above the law, will restore some faith in the rule of law.
Clinton would have further destroyed the idea of equality before the law.
Education is needed to bring the idea of rule of law to the public.
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 02:11 PM (pawKV)
Agreed. This is why Graham is drafting vengeful subpoenas RE Schiff phone records.
I believe that he believes this will collapse under it's own weight.
Clinton would have further destroyed the idea of equality before the law.
Education is needed to bring the idea of rule of law to the public.
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 02:11 PM (pawKV)
Agreed. This is why Graham is drafting vengeful subpoenas RE Schiff phone records.
I believe that he believes this will collapse under it's own weight.
Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 08, 2019 02:33 PM (aR6C/)
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Is JackStraw taking a break? Haven't read him around lately and I do trust his take on things.
Why, yes - I AM an optimist? Why do you ask?
Why, yes - I AM an optimist? Why do you ask?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 08, 2019 02:33 PM (Y4EXg)
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To this day I don't understand "the Sessions". Was he just dumb enough to accept democrats' demands, did he underestimate the scope and eventual target of Mueller's investigation, or was he unhappy with Trump and wanted his removal.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:02 PM (zr5Kq)
Sessions is an old douche bag. He was used to playing by and profiting from the "rules".
He took the Klan down remember, all three of them.
But when it came to a real fight, he was seen lacking. And sleeping.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2019 02:02 PM (zr5Kq)
Sessions is an old douche bag. He was used to playing by and profiting from the "rules".
He took the Klan down remember, all three of them.
But when it came to a real fight, he was seen lacking. And sleeping.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 08, 2019 02:34 PM (Z+IKu)
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"Isn't drafting.."
Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 08, 2019 02:34 PM (aR6C/)
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The 'new' theory is that you can impeach a President for 'improper motives'.
"The thought of man is not trialble, for the devil himself knows not the thought of man." - Latham CJ, Greene v. Regina
The 'new' theory is that you can impeach a President for 'improper motives'.
"The thought of man is not trialble, for the devil himself knows not the thought of man." - Latham CJ, Greene v. Regina
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 08, 2019 02:34 PM (7rVsF)
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Nood!
Posted by: Tonypete at December 08, 2019 02:34 PM (Y4EXg)
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Nor do I. I think Trump decided to be gracious in victory, acting under the deadly misapprehension that his enemies would be chastened, fearful, and therefore gracious in defeat.
Maybe, but it might also be the result of a calculation. Prosecuting political opponents would kind of smack of a banana republic, and would have absolutely guaranteed Trump's impeachment. Imagine the present impeachment circus with that on the table.
Maybe, but it might also be the result of a calculation. Prosecuting political opponents would kind of smack of a banana republic, and would have absolutely guaranteed Trump's impeachment. Imagine the present impeachment circus with that on the table.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 08, 2019 02:35 PM (hGXZE)
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Don Q - not sure exactly where, Philadelphia at least, Pennsylvania maybe that they were taking whole properties for very minor offences like a marijuana offence. Heard on Friday there was a court ordered repayment for these but you have to file.
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2019 02:35 PM (ZCEU2)
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>>JackStraw taking a break? Haven't read him around lately and I do trust his take on things.
Why, yes - I AM an optimist? Why do you ask?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 08, 2019 02:33 PM (Y4EXg)
I bet he's lurking. I asked same question a while ago.
He's probably just resurfacing for some oxygen before plunging back in here on Monday
Why, yes - I AM an optimist? Why do you ask?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 08, 2019 02:33 PM (Y4EXg)
I bet he's lurking. I asked same question a while ago.
He's probably just resurfacing for some oxygen before plunging back in here on Monday
Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 08, 2019 02:36 PM (aR6C/)
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We've completely lost the educational battle. The system is so corrupted and shot through with Leftists that reform at this point seems unimaginable.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice
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Yes. But the alternative is surrender. Not a good option.
I've had some whimsical thoughts about recruiting retired to folk to begin enrolling local colleges/universities. In some places 65+ means no tuition, at least for auditing courses.
The object would be to at least monitor and publicly, vociferously, report on the substance of classes.
There is also the possibility of actually challenging (diplomatically, assertively) mis-teaching and omission in the classroom. As a registered student, one acquires a standing that is not the case as an outsider.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice
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Yes. But the alternative is surrender. Not a good option.
I've had some whimsical thoughts about recruiting retired to folk to begin enrolling local colleges/universities. In some places 65+ means no tuition, at least for auditing courses.
The object would be to at least monitor and publicly, vociferously, report on the substance of classes.
There is also the possibility of actually challenging (diplomatically, assertively) mis-teaching and omission in the classroom. As a registered student, one acquires a standing that is not the case as an outsider.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2019 02:37 PM (yY5sN)
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While I was on the America a drug ring got smashed. A First Class LPO was accused of knowing about it but he said he knew nothing.
So the command put him through the non judicial punishment wringer washer.
At each Captain's Mast in succession he would be called on to tell what he knew. He refused saying he knew nothing. Then he would be demoted, fined, and put on restricted man's muster.
From E-6 to E-1.
And then kicked out of the Navy.
Biggest miscarriage of justice I have personally ever seen.
Schiff would love the Navy.
So the command put him through the non judicial punishment wringer washer.
At each Captain's Mast in succession he would be called on to tell what he knew. He refused saying he knew nothing. Then he would be demoted, fined, and put on restricted man's muster.
From E-6 to E-1.
And then kicked out of the Navy.
Biggest miscarriage of justice I have personally ever seen.
Schiff would love the Navy.
Posted by: torabora at December 08, 2019 02:38 PM (Y274z)
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"The thought of man is not trialble, for the devil himself knows not the thought of man." - Latham CJ, Greene v. Regina
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 08, 2019 02:34 PM (7rVsF)
Which is why hate crimes/speech should not be a legal catagory.
"The thought of man is not trialble, for the devil himself knows not the thought of man." - Latham CJ, Greene v. Regina
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 08, 2019 02:34 PM (7rVsF)
Which is why hate crimes/speech should not be a legal catagory.
Posted by: AK away from home at December 08, 2019 03:01 PM (pawKV)
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Many on our side talk about how 80 million gun owners, just because number, will automatically win. But unless we start organizing in ways that no Internet forum I'm aware of will permit, all I see in the future is one repetition after another of the recent Red Flag enforcement actions in Virginia and New York. The bad guys among police now know better than ever again to give their foes the time and notice to form up for another Bundy Ranch standoff.
Posted by: jdgalt at December 08, 2019 03:02 PM (3SFo/)
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That sort of judicial murder isn't new for India. They even have a term for it: "Encounter killings". It became pretty common during the Punjabi uprising, to read that terror suspects were killed during an "encounter" with police. Everyone knew that the police had captured some suspects, then just executed them and claimed that they'd been trying to escape, or had opened fire on them.
What's different about the rape suspects in the story here is that the anti-terror executions were in line with government policy. Maybe not on direct orders of the government, but it was understood that such behavior by the police wasn't discouraged, and was even rewarded. Here, though, it sounds as if this might be a local reaction to a local situation, and that could be a sign of the central authorities losing control of the law officers at the ground level.
What's different about the rape suspects in the story here is that the anti-terror executions were in line with government policy. Maybe not on direct orders of the government, but it was understood that such behavior by the police wasn't discouraged, and was even rewarded. Here, though, it sounds as if this might be a local reaction to a local situation, and that could be a sign of the central authorities losing control of the law officers at the ground level.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 08, 2019 03:15 PM (Wd63c)
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A woman died after being set on fire on her way to court by a group of
men that included two of five she had accused of gang rape.
https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/
1203336739655471105
men that included two of five she had accused of gang rape.
https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/
1203336739655471105
Posted by: andycanuck at December 08, 2019 03:18 PM (Dh1wo)
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Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bundy Ranch: definitely Deep State, there.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Those are totally different situations than what we're talking about here. Provincial cops at a local police station in some remote Indian mountain village shooting known rapists because the villagers demanded it, knowing that the rapists would never be brought to trial, is not the same thing as The Deep State in the US conspiring to oppress or silence critics. Nor are those instances the same thing as some scared highway patrolman shooting some drugged-out maniac who he mistakenly thought had a gun.
Smooshing together all these unrelated cases of "police overreach" into one ill-defined category merely muddies and confuses the issue.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Those are totally different situations than what we're talking about here. Provincial cops at a local police station in some remote Indian mountain village shooting known rapists because the villagers demanded it, knowing that the rapists would never be brought to trial, is not the same thing as The Deep State in the US conspiring to oppress or silence critics. Nor are those instances the same thing as some scared highway patrolman shooting some drugged-out maniac who he mistakenly thought had a gun.
Smooshing together all these unrelated cases of "police overreach" into one ill-defined category merely muddies and confuses the issue.
Posted by: zombie at December 08, 2019 03:24 PM (fK2gX)
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The investigation into the Florida UPS shooting is not completed; but already some are claiming the police are at fault. Yet at NAS Pensacola the local Sheriff's deputies were wounded taking out the bad guy and are being praised. Glad I retired when I did. Many places are actually curtailing law enforcement and crime is going up.
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An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat