Vanity Genetic Testing Is A Slippery Slope Straight To Totalitarian Hell

Here is my possibly unpopular take on this: Anyone who submits his DNA to a third-party for any reason other than by court order enforced by cops holding you down and drawing your blood or swabbing your cheek is a fool. I'm not talking about genetic testing for specific risks like breast cancer and Huntington's Disease; hopefully those data are protected from government search, and are in any event quite specific and may not be of much use to Deputy Dawg poking around looking for evidence.

Genealogical databases are a goldmine for police, but with few rules and little transparency

Orlando police detective Michael Fields was sure he had the break he needed right in front of him to close in on a serial rapist: a list of people whose DNA partially matched the man he hunted.

Then the list disappeared.

After a year of criticism from privacy advocates and genealogy experts, the owner of a popular DNA-sharing website had decided law enforcement had no right to consumer data unless those consumers agreed.

“It was devastating to know that there’s information out there,” Fields said. “It wasn’t fair.”

So he persuaded a judge to grant him access to the entire database, the genetic records of more than 1 million people who never agreed to a police search. It was the first court order in the nation for a blanket consumer DNA search, kept secret from those whose genetic code was involuntarily canvassed.

That quotation is amazing: "It wasn't fair." Guess what Mr. jackbooted thug, it sure as shit is fair. And it is protected by the United States Constitution, something about which you know nothing and care about even less. Why that judge granted access is beyond me, and a pretty strong indicator of our descent into a socialist/fascist nightmare. Why not just kick down random doors until you find something of interest? It's pretty much the same thing.

If you are absolutely fixated on having one of these commercial ventures compare your genes to their databases so you can prove that you are pure Cherokee and run for president, then figure out how to do it anonymously. Or just lie like Elizabeth Warren.

Seriously, there are enough smart people around here who don't trust government and industry. Bat this around for a few hundred comments and construct a method to get your genes compared without it leading back to you so some idiot anti-freedom detective won't knock your door down, shoot your dog, and arrest you for the cold case murder in his precinct.

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1
I think ancestry dna testing is 75% bullshit, anyway.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 02:20 PM (ockrg)

2 it's too late anyway, chances are one of your relatives' DNA is already in the database

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 02:21 PM (G546f)

3
It should be noted that the ads for these stupid dna tests really focus on the "identity politics" craze we're in the midst of where it's cool to find out that you're Not White!

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 02:21 PM (ockrg)

4 I'm pretty sure I'm a white guy. I don't need to send my money and genetic info to somebody to tell me that.

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 01, 2019 02:22 PM (xPl2J)

5 I found out I'm .000000009% Cherokee. Please leave my land.

Posted by: little boomer at December 01, 2019 02:24 PM (6fu25)

6
And if you watch that fraudulent buffoon's stupid show on public television, you'll see Henry Gates and his hollywood celery guests just love to rip White people and American and European history.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 02:25 PM (ockrg)

7 2
it's too late anyway, chances are one of your relatives' DNA is already in the database

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 02:21 PM (G546f)

+++
My first thought also. Some pictures of me have made onto Facebook because an obscure relative takes snaps at parties and posts them. No matter how hard to try to avoid public access, you are shanghaied anyway.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 01, 2019 02:25 PM (mv5Fv)

8 Be very careful giving away body samples

Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 02:25 PM (ZCEU2)

9 I might have lended an ear to the cop's argument some years back, but now, with goons like Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Strzok weaponizing the federal criminal enforcement regime against those they see as political enemies, f**k them. Is that fair enough for you brown-shirted totalitarian thugs?

Posted by: direwolf at December 01, 2019 02:26 PM (BmTFY)

10 Your genes are indicative of your being predisposed to violence so you can't buy a gun. Predisposed to cancer, no cigarettes or cancer causing agents. People like Doomberg would love the government to have this information!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at December 01, 2019 02:27 PM (g+rI3)

11 Am I the only one who is tempted to send his dog's DNA to one of these testing outfits?

Just for amusement?

Posted by: Charles Darwin, taking notes at December 01, 2019 02:27 PM (ltmZG)

12 As a 35 year retired LEO I couldn't agree with you more. These over zealous LEO's sometimes can't understand how current tech relates to the constitution. Sad.

Posted by: But muh principles at December 01, 2019 02:28 PM (Ili5k)

13 Be very careful giving away body samples



POE

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 01, 2019 02:28 PM (yQpMk)

14 11 would be a hoot, if legit they should spot it a mile away

Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 02:28 PM (ZCEU2)

15 It should be noted that the ads for these stupid dna tests really focus on the "identity politics" craze we're in the midst of where it's cool to find out that you're Not White!

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 02:21 PM (ockrg)


I love fried chicken and watermelon. So I don't need a DNA test.

But then, almost everybody loves fried chicken and watermelon, so there's that.

Posted by: Charles Darwin, taking notes at December 01, 2019 02:29 PM (ltmZG)

16 sock off

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2019 02:29 PM (ltmZG)

17 Don't need to know anymore about my ethnic background other than what my family has shared.
Father's family were Jews from the Suwalki region of border of Poland and Lithuania. Mother's family English and Scottish.

They also do genetic testing for certain diet plans. I'd rather stay plump if that's my only option.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2019 02:29 PM (WI7YS)

18 These over zealous LEO's sometimes can't understand how current tech relates to the constitution.

Posted by: But muh principles at December 01, 2019 02:28 PM (Ili5k)

And yet you managed, and you are a Moron!

I think you are being overly polite when you describe them as "over zealous."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 02:30 PM (wYseH)

19 14 11 would be a hoot, if legit they should spot it a mile away
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 02:28 PM (ZCEU2)


Exactly. What is the betting line on their being able to do that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2019 02:30 PM (ltmZG)

20 Google wants my fingerprint to unlock my phone.

So easy, so convenient!

So permanently stored in their servers!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 01, 2019 02:30 PM (oVJmc)

21 Within our lifetime, either through medicaid, medicare or the Democrats' free healthcare initiatives, it will be determined that the Government paying or helping to pay for your health gets to take a blood draw and gene sequence as part of the bargin. It will be necessary you see, to provide the Government with a good database of citizens' DNA to better deliver healthcare and screen for the diseases brought into the country from millions of illegals during the early 2000's.

Of course, UNLESS after 2024 some Trumpian steps up to keep ruining such Government BS.

Posted by: Yip at December 01, 2019 02:31 PM (8cUgT)

22
Kinda related, did you know the Left was/is very, very fake outraged over the very hot item known as "doorbell cameras" made by Ring or by Nest, etc.?

Do you know why?

Because these doorbell cameras are showing non-whites committing crimes such as stealing shit from your front door and even trying to break in your house.

What's more, and this is the part that the Leftist-Fascists really hate, the local police will gladly respond when your doorbell camera alerts of you criminals and will gladly use that video to catch the criminals.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 02:31 PM (ockrg)

23 A male cousin did the YDNA kit for me several years ago at Family Tree DNA. That one is now pretty much just in the academic research bit for tracing YDNA haplogroup movement/development over time.

I've done my own at 23 and me; turns out to have been a good idea since either my Jewish great grandfather or his wife were carriers of Tay-Sachs, and it turns out so am I. My son tested, he didn't inherit it. My daughter will test to see if she did; if it appears a note will go in my grandchildrens' medical file to test when they're older.

The ethnicity results more or less depend on their pool of references. Since most of my great grandparents were the immigrants I know where they came from and the results in my case appear roughly accurate.

"Not fair" is an idiotic statement.

Posted by: Lirio100 at December 01, 2019 02:32 PM (JK7Jw)

24
The Leftist-Fascists are actually arguing that a doorbell camera is violating other people's (i.e., criminals) civil rights.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 02:32 PM (ockrg)

25 20 Google wants my fingerprint to unlock my phone.

So easy, so convenient!

So permanently stored in their servers!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 01, 2019 02:30 PM (oVJmc)


The fundamental problem with biometric authentication: if someone else gains access, how do you change your fingerprints? Your voice? Your face?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2019 02:32 PM (ltmZG)

26 Although I am quite the civil libertarian, and believe strongly that our individual rights should be protected, I'm going to argue for the contrarian view here.

I say that there is a societal interest in identifying likely suspects, limited to cases of rape and sexual assault in which DNA evidence could be crucial, which outweighs any individual interest in keeping such data private. All citizens have a right to privacy; but no one has the right to unreasonably conceal evidence of a felony assault, and especially not a murder. Also, this is something that benefits the accused as well as a victim - if DNA evidence is available, it is easy to rule out suspects on that basis.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 02:33 PM (V2Yro)

27 To get conceal carry and for professional licensing I had to give up a full set of fingerprints each time. So I refuse to hand over anything else. But probably screwed already cuz of the prints.

Posted by: KinLa at December 01, 2019 02:33 PM (6tKOW)

28 Because these doorbell cameras are showing non-whites committing crimes such as stealing shit from your front door and even trying to break in your house.

What's more, and this is the part that the Leftist-Fascists really hate, the local police will gladly respond when your doorbell camera alerts of you criminals and will gladly use that video to catch the criminals.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 02:31 PM (ockrg)


People have a right to ply their trade unhindered! Especially if their trade is theft.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2019 02:34 PM (ltmZG)

29 It wasn't fair that Trump won. We need to impeach him and, if that fails, assassinate him.

Posted by: The Left at December 01, 2019 02:34 PM (H8QX8)

30 To get conceal carry and for professional licensing I had to give up a full set of fingerprints each time.
Same thing with a security clearance on the first issuance.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 01, 2019 02:34 PM (7s3Gx)

31 OMG, YES!


Fun fact: 23andMe started by the (now ex)wife of a Google founder.
Seriously, why would you *pay* Google to give them your DNA???

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2019 02:34 PM (bDqIh)

32 I don't have good ideas on how to test your DNA anonymously.

But I do think it could be weaponized. Submitting DNA under someone else's name could be interesting.

Maybe collect a DNA swab off of a customer's beer glass, if you know that person to have illegitimate kids running around, and submit the sample under the name and address of an enemy.

Make sure to make it searchable for family members.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2019 02:35 PM (mPs9C)

33 >> All citizens have a right to privacy; but no one has the right to unreasonably conceal evidence of a felony assault, and especially not a murder.

Then you should be in favor of blanket round-ups and door to door searches. Say there's a murder or a rape in town. Just lock the town down and go door to door taking DNA samples, and looking for evidence.

Posted by: Big Moochelle, with the 12 at December 01, 2019 02:35 PM (f1Vqw)

34 Sooth - goes along with California's under $999 theft is not a crime

Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 02:35 PM (ZCEU2)

35 >>it's too late anyway, chances are one of your relatives' DNA is already in the database




Yes, apparently they only need a fraction of the country's DNA, less than 10% IIRC, in order to extrapolate relationships to an unknown DNA sample.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2019 02:36 PM (bDqIh)

36 It's too late for me. I just found out I'm Bulgarian, not Hawaiian, and I'm now in the process of making some cultural adjustments in my life. I'll miss the poke' but I won't miss the poi. Are stuffed cabbage rolls an acquired taste? I haven't acquired it yet but I'm working on it. I really wish I hadn't sent that DNA sample in for testing but at least now I know the reason why I only get sunburned when I try to get a tan.

Posted by: Donald R Wright at December 01, 2019 02:36 PM (ko1d7)

37 Seriously, why would you *pay* Google to give them your DNA???

They were pretty much first (or nearly so) with the medical testing aspect of DNA testing for public consumption.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 01, 2019 02:36 PM (7s3Gx)

38 All citizens have a right to privacy; but no one has the right to unreasonably conceal evidence of a felony assault, and especially not a murder. Also, this is something that benefits the accused as well as a victim - if DNA evidence is available, it is easy to rule out suspects on that basis.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 02:33 PM (V2Yro)


I'll submit when they charge me with a crime, otherwise they're just fishing.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 02:37 PM (aS1PU)

39 never

Posted by: john chalmers at December 01, 2019 02:37 PM (giufj)

40 Yes to the comments about relatives in the database. I already have several cousins, at least one aunt and uncle who've tested with one company or another.

I think Gedmatch was the one, or one of two that LE used; Gedmatch has now introduced a privacy option that lets you opt out of LE use. Not sure if that really works.

Posted by: Lirio100 at December 01, 2019 02:38 PM (JK7Jw)

41 Vanity genetic testing is the oligonucleotide version of a selfie.

Both are exercises in galloping narcissism.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2019 02:38 PM (Upqfr)

42 4
I'm pretty sure I'm a white guy. I don't need to send my money and genetic info to somebody to tell me that.

Posted by: Mark1971



Yep, lucky I had a bunch of ancestors who liked to tell stories of who they were and where they came. Pretty darn cool!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 02:38 PM (LOq4H)

43

IIRC, most of all these DNA databank cases do come from relatives of the perp, not the perp himself.

The cops come calling on said relative, and trace down all his family members.

I know I have a couple of cousins on my father side who did this stupid DNA testing shit

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 01, 2019 02:38 PM (f1Vqw)

44 If you have been in the military anytime since the mid 80's, the federal government has your DNA. Don't think for a minute that DOD would hesitate for a second to share it with other agencies.
Of course the upside is, there will likely never be another unknown soldier.

Posted by: Tennessee Jed at December 01, 2019 02:39 PM (KbCvz)

45 My Mom has worked on family genealogy for decades. Just going over birth and death certificates, speaking with older relatives and writing the info down, even finding out what ports the ancestors came into and researching online where the ship departed from in Europe. It can be done and it's time consuming. My mom enjoys it.

It doesn't involve giving one's DNA to strangers.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 01, 2019 02:39 PM (/oe9Q)

46 33 >> All citizens have a right to privacy; but no one has the right to unreasonably conceal evidence of a felony assault, and especially not a murder.

Then you should be in favor of blanket round-ups and door to door searches. Say there's a murder or a rape in town. Just lock the town down and go door to door taking DNA samples, and looking for evidence.
Posted by: Big Moochelle, with the 12 at December 01, 2019 02:35 PM (f1Vqw)

No, which is why Legislation should be passed that deals with and limits this practice to only those steps which could be widely agreed on and which respect the innocent. Rounding up masses of people and physically interrogating them is a violent intrusion into the lives of everyone affected - while using a computer to search an already existing database doesn't have an effect on anyone except for the one person who shows a positive match.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 02:40 PM (V2Yro)

47 44
If you have been in the military anytime since the mid 80's, the federal
government has your DNA. Don't think for a minute that DOD would
hesitate for a second to share it with other agencies.

Of course the upside is, there will likely never be another unknown soldier.

Posted by: Tennessee Jed


And finger prints since forever.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 02:40 PM (LOq4H)

48 Dear TS --

Horsefeathers.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2019 02:40 PM (MIKMs)

49 "...construct a method to get your genes compared without it leading back to you so some idiot anti-freedom detective won't knock your door down, shoot your dog, and arrest you for the cold case murder in his precinct."


Kinda like red flag laws.
Maybe call dna laws blue flag. Or green flag.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 01, 2019 02:41 PM (axyOa)

50 A friend of mine gushed to me about the DNA results he got for himself, his wife, and their kids.

Wait - their kids??

Shouldn't their kids' DNA follow from that of their parents?

Or was he trying to tell me something?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2019 02:42 PM (Upqfr)

51

The sample tubes are too damn small,I need a KFC large bucket. Woh I'm half Chik-Fil-Apino-Colada...sweet and tasty

Posted by: saf at December 01, 2019 02:42 PM (5IHGB)

52 >> while using a computer to search an already existing database doesn't have an effect on anyone except for the one person who shows a positive match.

So, your cousin does the stupid DNA thing. It comes up as a close relative match. Your cousin gets a visit from the cops, who now have probably cause to do even more invasive evidence gathering.

You get caught up in the little dragnet. You have to submit to all sorts of DNA tests and searches and seizures.

Sounds pretty disruptive to me.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 01, 2019 02:42 PM (f1Vqw)

53 "Gattaca" was a good movie about this DNA business and how it becomes a tool of tyranny.

Posted by: The Left at December 01, 2019 02:43 PM (H8QX8)

54 The Mormons work on the genealogy thing all the time.

I blame Mutt Romney.

As far as DNA goes, keep the government out of my essence.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 01, 2019 02:44 PM (Z+IKu)

55
it's too late anyway, chances are one of your relatives' DNA is already in the database

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 02:21 PM (G546f)



Hunter Biden: Now you tell me

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2019 02:45 PM (sUGhW)

56 Shouldn't their kids' DNA follow from that of their parents?

Or was he trying to tell me something?


It's not all that common but it does happen that there are cases of adultery, adoption kept secret from the adoptee, etc. Surprises can and do await for those who test their kids.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 01, 2019 02:45 PM (7s3Gx)

57
You get caught up in the little dragnet. You have to submit to all sorts of DNA tests and searches and seizures.
=====

Prove you are not the guilty one. Then the regular 'Constitutional protections' can come into play.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2019 02:45 PM (MIKMs)

58 You get caught up in the little dragnet. You have to submit to all sorts of DNA tests and searches and seizures.

Sounds pretty disruptive to me.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 01, 2019 02:42 PM (f1Vqw)

My brother was caught with pot in a federal park. The feebs investigated our entire family. They were particularly interested in why I had been out of the country for 9 years, as if that's any of their damned business.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at December 01, 2019 02:45 PM (f1Vqw)

59 If you have been in the military anytime since the mid 80's, the federal government has your DNA. Don't think for a minute that DOD would hesitate for a second to share it with other agencies.
Of course the upside is, there will likely never be another unknown soldier.
Posted by: Tennessee Jed at December 01, 2019 02:39 PM (KbCvz)


****

I remember when we had to provide it.

I also wonder if record keeping is all that good?

Posted by: Diogenes at December 01, 2019 02:45 PM (axyOa)

60 I would love to get my DNA health tested ANONYMOUSLY
but it seems impossible

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 02:46 PM (G546f)

61 I'll submit when they charge me with a crime, otherwise they're just fishing.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 02:37 PM (aS1PU)

For all the talk we may do, the battle is already lost. All the government has to do is find a blood first cousin of yours who needs some money and is willing to give up a bit of blood in exchange. Every family group in America is going to be typed before too much longer, we're close already.

Which is why I believe in supporting legislation which allows but limits its use, in order to control it. Trying to fight it completely is a lost cause, and arguing for that position politically is just going to leave us on the outside looking in.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 02:47 PM (V2Yro)

62 Shouldn't their kids' DNA follow from that of their parents?



Or was he trying to tell me something?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2019 02:42 PM (Upqfr)


Hunter Biden: Sometimes some random stripper can have a kid with your DNA and it's pure coincidence

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2019 02:47 PM (sUGhW)

63 I think someone in my family might be a *not going to say it here*, so I'm going to send my DNA to several of these 'services', just in case.

I don't think the police should have a free hand in digging through the databases themselves, but there should be a way for them to have them screened for anonymous matches, then get a court order to get the personal information for any close matches.

DNA is interesting stuff. Yes, it's the most closely personal identifying thing we have, but we shed it all around us, leaving it everywhere we go. That's why police can pick it up at the scenes of crimes.

It's better than fingerprints or dental examinations for identifying criminals and the remains of their victims. And it's made it harder for innocent people to be wrongfully convicted for crimes someone else did.

Posted by: Starboardhelm at December 01, 2019 02:47 PM (hOtJL)

64 This is one of those issues I simply can't bring myself to bitch about. It's here, it's not going away, we're all in the database to one degree or another, regardless of our consent.

I listened to a story about how Mexican law enforcement are videotaping cities with massively HD cameras mounted to high-elevation drones.

When police get word of a crime, they simply go to the location the crime occurred, and go backwards through the tape to find out who did it.

Similar technology has already been used to solve crimes in Dayton, OH.

Total surveillance, of everyone, all the time. You can't put that back in the box.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at December 01, 2019 02:48 PM (T8HPM)

65
The police are generally not rewarded for solving cases. They are rewarded for closing cases. These are not the same thing.

If someone gets convicted, their work is done. The actual truth of guilt or innocence is not a commodity they deal with. A conviction of the wrong person is as valuable to them as a conviction of the right person.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 01, 2019 02:48 PM (t5m5e)

66 ...They were particularly interested in why I had been out of the country for 9 years, as if that's any of their damned business.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at December 01, 2019 02:45 PM (f1Vqw)


Exactly. Law enforcement is meant to serve and protect me, not the other way around.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 02:48 PM (aS1PU)

67 Although I am quite the civil libertarian, and believe strongly that our individual rights should be protected, I'm going to argue for the contrarian view here.
----

That's quite a stretch. I'm far more concerned about the privacy of millions than I am about the apprehension of a few.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 02:49 PM (KoKdw)

68 Exactly. Law enforcement is meant to serve and protect me, not the other way around.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 02:48 PM (aS1PU)

Yeppers!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at December 01, 2019 02:49 PM (f1Vqw)

69 It's not all that common but it does happen that there are cases of adultery, adoption kept secret from the adoptee, etc. Surprises can and do await for those who test their kids.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 01, 2019 02:45 PM (7s3Gx)

Yup....I have a friend who was a traveling musician back in the 1960's on the Left Coast. He got a knock on his door about 6 months ago from a long lost son he "never knew" he had from his rambling music days.

The long lost son tracked him with the DNA info.

He was married to the same lady then as now and she along with their kids and grandkids were not amused.

He denied everything.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 01, 2019 02:49 PM (Z+IKu)

70 And it's made it harder for innocent people to be wrongfully convicted for crimes someone else did.
=====

Have you checked out your tax-supported criminal analysis labs recently?

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2019 02:50 PM (MIKMs)

71 For some reason, DNA testing as it is used now reminds me a lot of Phrenology, Numerology or studying birth dates. It is information, sure, but is it useful?

This is of course, outside of the testing for genetic diseases and disorders.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 02:50 PM (ycWCI)

72 50 A friend of mine gushed to me about the DNA results he got for himself, his wife, and their kids.
Wait - their kids??
Shouldn't their kids' DNA follow from that of their parents?
Or was he trying to tell me something?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 01, 2019 02:42 PM (Upqfr)

One of the big surprises of DNA testing (it really shouldn't have been a surprise) is that roughly 1 out of every 10 kids did not have the genetic father they were told that they had. Even more remarkable, this number seems consistent with genetic evidence from past generations as well.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 02:50 PM (V2Yro)

73 .They were particularly interested in why I had been out of the country for 9 years, as if that's any of their damned business.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at December 01, 2019 02:45 PM (f1Vqw)

Exactly. Law enforcement is meant to serve and protect me, not the other way around.
Posted by: DR.WTF
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It's the slow inversion of the Master/Servant relationship. Our politicians are already there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 02:50 PM (KoKdw)

74 I've been fingerprinted 4-5 times for non-crime reasons. I have to assume my info is out there without any controls on it. Couple that with electronic medical, property, credit history, tax records, passport, etc., etc. - and I have to believe there is nothing the feds don't know about me.

Not comforting.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 02:51 PM (Y4EXg)

75 Wait - their kids??

Shouldn't their kids' DNA follow from that of their parents?

==

it still makes sense for health testing reasons, as there are 4 possible combos for each gene

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 02:51 PM (G546f)

76 Been half watching Eagles - Dolphin, Bloomberg commercial just came on Fox sports

Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 02:51 PM (ZCEU2)

77 Which is why I believe in supporting legislation which allows but limits its use, in order to control it. Trying to fight it completely is a lost cause, and arguing for that position politically is just going to leave us on the outside looking in.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 02:47 PM (V2Yro)


I understand where you'e coming from but "they'll do it anyway so let's just make it legal" is not a compelling argument.

"Legal and Rare", I've heard that argument somewhere before.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 02:52 PM (aS1PU)

78 I had to give the State of Texas a full set of fingerprints to get a concealed carry license. Big deal.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 02:52 PM (V2Yro)

79 Ignoring the Constitution and shooting dogs is part of the job. Thin Blue Line, yo.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 01, 2019 02:53 PM (eENq1)

80 Seems that privacy has lost much of its value. I still take it damned seriously.

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at December 01, 2019 02:53 PM (qdQJ5)

81 Been half watchin/g Eagles - Dolphin, Bloomberg commercial just came on Fox sports

Posted by: Skip
________

Was it the one about how, as mayor, he got New York City through 9/11?

Posted by: FireHorse at December 01, 2019 02:54 PM (eENq1)

82 My husband did the Ancestry and was surprised at the result. We are both Filipinos and my husband is half Filipino, a little Chinese and half Spanish and French. On his test result, he is less than 40% Filipino. He found out he has more than half European ancestry adding Italian and a very small percentage of German, Scottish, Welsh, and English to the mix. It was fascinating.

Posted by: Oggi at December 01, 2019 02:54 PM (Bk5Q+)

83 had to get finger printed for a part time job at the school district that had no contact with kids

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 02:54 PM (G546f)

84 Tom, the issue that I see here is the involuntary confiscation of a private data base of DNA by the government that gives the government permanent possession of all DNA information for the people who submitted their DNA to this private entity.
Had the request been narrowly tailored to certain specific DNA sequences related to the crime under investigation, tested by a third party that would keep the unrelated data out of the hands of the government, the argument for this limited violation of privacy would at least be tenable.
But not the unlimited and permanent release of your full DNA genome to the government.

This means that the government has access forever to everything in your DNA without protection against future abuse, for instance insurance or employment discrimination based on your genome, should the data be released to other parties since you have no control of this data.
Very dangerous as technology accelerates (as in China's surveillance/social credit system) should our government resume its journey towards totalitarian practices.

Posted by: civil truth at December 01, 2019 02:54 PM (ymrPC)

85 My one cousin did the DNA bullsheet to track down her bio-family. Her dad was adopted, so my DNA profile likely is not affected. However my other cousin's kid is all +gung-ho about genealogy and jumped feet first into the DNA testing pool.

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 02:55 PM (C+R83)

86 Its also been uncovered that a lot of these private testing companies are about as reliable as used car salesmen.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 01, 2019 02:55 PM (oVJmc)

87 it still makes sense for health testing reasons, as there are 4 possible combos for each gene
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Health testing = you are a bad risk. You may be allowed to work yourself to death, but you and your children are not desirable. In fact, you are deplorable, and should not have access to health care.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2019 02:56 PM (MIKMs)

88 planting evidence could happen even with DNA ... probably easier to do it with DNA (e.g. hair placed at scene) than fingerprint fakes (they did that in the Bourne movie).

Posted by: illiniwek at December 01, 2019 02:56 PM (Cus5s)

89 I had WeaselDog tested. She's mostly Great Dane.

Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 02:57 PM (MVjcR)

90 How dare you besmirch our heroes in blue! Why do you hate law enforcement? Why do you hate America?!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2019 02:57 PM (NWiLs)

91
Health testing = you are a bad risk

==

that's my thought too - the LAST ppl who should have access to your DNA health info are insurance companies

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 02:57 PM (G546f)

92 Seems that privacy has lost much of its value. I still take it damned seriously.
Posted by: one of the quiet ones
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I feel the same way. We are being overwhelmed though. Store cameras, license plate cameras, surveillance cameras, ATM cameras, electronic transactions, mail scanning, etc., etc.

My browser sometimes reports as many as 70 trackers being blocked.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 02:57 PM (4bd7D)

93 83. I had to get printed too. It was hard for their equipment to capture a good image. I told them it's 'cause I'm ET. Nah, probably due to working in a darkroom and my hands bathed in those chemicals.

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 02:58 PM (C+R83)

94 I've seen enough of what the feds consider responsible law enforcement. Forget about the decent enough (and sometimes not so decent) local guys you know. The feds get whatever they get, and more.

How many more wide ranging police powers do you want Peter Strzok and Jim Comey and Andrew Weissman to have?

We should be aggressively stripping these crooks of authority to so much as drop a piss without express permission from a judge... not giving them more of it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2019 02:59 PM (/C4s+)

95 Fortunately, software, organizations, and systems NEVER make mistakes. So we got that going for us.

Posted by: t-bird at December 01, 2019 02:59 PM (Ibwur)

96 How dare you besmirch our heroes in blue! Why do you hate law enforcement? Why do you hate America?!

Posted by: Insomniac
________

Blue Lives Matter.

Just so I'm clear only Blue lives matter.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 01, 2019 02:59 PM (eENq1)

97
I have long stated that all the privacy codicils in whatever agreement you enter into with these testing companies aren't worth shit. Police staters gonna police state.

Once this reaches the "water now hot enough for the frog to notice it stage" the caterwauling will overwhelm that heard when folks learned that taking those idiotic on-line Facebook quizzes was one route used by underhanded types to mine their data and to share it with political campaign.

"Volunteer nothing" -- what part of that don't you understand?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 02:59 PM (pNxlR)

98 . I had to get printed too. It was hard for their equipment to capture a good image. I told them it's 'cause I'm ET. Nah, probably due to working in a darkroom and my hands bathed in those chemicals.
Posted by: kallisto

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Well, that and you sanding off your prints. Didn't forget to do the sides of your fingers, did you?

Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 03:00 PM (Y4EXg)

99 Mostly what I caught of it was Bloomberg is a big job creator, a big nanny state will do that.

Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 03:00 PM (ZCEU2)

100 Abolish the FBI

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 03:00 PM (G546f)

101 I had WeaselDog tested. She's mostly Great Dane.
Posted by: Weasel
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Wolf in sheep's clothing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 03:00 PM (4bd7D)

102 He found out he has more than half European ancestry adding Italian and a very small percentage of German, Scottish, Welsh, and English to the mix. It was fascinating.
Posted by: Oggi at December 01, 2019 02:54 PM (Bk5Q+)

That's actually quite believable - a lot of Italians ended up on Spanish ships back in the Age of Exploration, and the Philippines has had European sailors stopping off for R & R for 400 years.

It reminds me of a genetic study I read of, a researcher who wanted to determine who the people of Lebanon were most closely related to. The study was successful, but he had no conclusions, for he found that the people there had genetic markers from the Mesopotamians, Greeks, Italians, Egyptians, North Africans, Normans, Franks, Arabs, and basically anybody who ever had an army that roamed around the Mediterranean. They all left remembrances of themselves behind.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 03:01 PM (V2Yro)

103 I can track my ancestry down to the 1600s. That's good enough for me.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 01, 2019 03:01 PM (eAMlh)

104 Now that I am well over 29, the pads of my fingers are wrinkly. I have never been fingerprinted before, but does ageing change fingerprints?

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2019 03:01 PM (MIKMs)

105 87 it still makes sense for health testing reasons, as there are 4 possible combos for each gene
=====

Health testing = you are a bad risk. You may be allowed to work yourself to death, but you and your children are not desirable. In fact, you are deplorable, and should not have access to health care.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 01, 2019 02:56 PM (MIKMs)


I am skeptical of it for other reasons. Some genes may be associated with specific conditions but represent a "higher risk" and not a certainty. Some are certainties like Tay Sachs and hemophilia, but others are much less certain and represent a risk that you may develop a condition if you choose to participate in other high risk categories (carcinogen exposure, smoking, obesity, drug use, etc). The "genetic counselors" might, however steer you toward thinking about "reproductive choices". Should you not have kids because if they eat like pigs they might get a heart attack, or if they do drugs they're more likely to be schizoaffective? Bullshit.

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2019 03:01 PM (U7k5w)

106 Have had a couple of jobs at schools we had to get fingerprinted and background checks, since I hardly got to the jobs that had to be done next time I am going to decline.

Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 03:01 PM (ZCEU2)

107
I will add, too, that DNA testing is the lazy person's way to do genealogy. Just sayin' ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 03:02 PM (pNxlR)

108 "Bat this around for a few hundred comments and construct a method to get your genes compared without it leading back to you so some idiot anti-freedom detective won't knock your door down, shoot your dog, and arrest you for the cold case murder in his precinct."

Hah. There are times when it feels like CBD is an overworked housewife with 6 kids who is throwing out boardgames to keep the kids occupied while she can smoke a cigarette in the bathroom in peace.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

109 yeah I'm a fool.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 01, 2019 03:03 PM (YaJXa)

110 It should be noted that the ads for these stupid dna tests really focus
on the "identity politics" craze we're in the midst of where it's cool
to find out that you're Not White!


Won't submit DNA. Don't care if I'm not 100% honky, don't want to find out I have French ancestors.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 03:03 PM (xkSJa)

111 68 Exactly. Law enforcement is meant to serve and protect me, not the other way around.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 02:48 PM (aS1PU)

Yeppers!
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at December 01, 2019 02:49 PM (f1Vqw)

Y'all are so cute when you're being naive.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2019 03:03 PM (NWiLs)

112
This is still funny: "I'm not black!"

https://youtu.be/5qtENTv5MK4

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 03:04 PM (pNxlR)

113 I feel the same way. We are being overwhelmed
though. Store cameras, license plate cameras, surveillance cameras, ATM
cameras, electronic transactions, mail scanning, etc., etc.

.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,




Although it warms my heart to know there is video record of me scratching my ass at WalMart.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 03:04 PM (LOq4H)

114 Fortunately, software, organizations, and systems NEVER make mistakes. So we got that going for us.
Posted by: t-bird
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I have had a couple of badge-flashing detectives show up at my door...oops, wrong guy, wrong address, by a couple of miles.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 03:04 PM (LxqES)

115 Although it warms my heart to know there is video record of me scratching my ass at WalMart.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp
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I always smile and wave at the ATM.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 03:05 PM (LxqES)

116 the ads for these stupid dna tests really focus on the "identity politics" craze we're in the midst of where it's cool to find out that you're Not White!

With amusing results, like when 23andme said I was part Algerian Berber and then said "whooops".

They still insist on the Jewish and Asian ancestry though. I should probably be quiet about the latter when commenting on Kurt Eichenwald's twitter

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 01, 2019 03:05 PM (YaJXa)

117 It doesn't matter what you think of the police. What matters is what those domestic branches of the military think of you: You're the enemy.

The only thing keeping them from taking you down is rules of engagement.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 01, 2019 03:07 PM (eENq1)

118 Although it warms my heart to know there is video record of me scratching my ass at WalMart.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 03:04 PM (LOq4H)

I like the Uscans at Wal Mart. Big Brother is me- and he's buying tortilla chips!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:07 PM (ycWCI)

119 I just read the comments from #1 to #111. That felt strange, given I usually start at the bottom.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 01, 2019 03:07 PM (eAMlh)

120 Over 100 mostly OT: Two of the London Bridge casualties worked for an organization that believed many prisoners were "victims of criminal injustice".
Do they really believe they did little but stoke the fires of anger? Yes there are some people who were probably wrongly convicted of the particular crime, but terrorists? Stupid.

These programs that use fiction to "rehabilitate" piss me off. They use literature to reinforce stereotypical thinking that the criminals are downtrodden victims. One favorite saw these types use is "as a _____, you have to be three ties as good as a white person to rise in society".
Well they can look at their records and see that they are not stellar. Then what? How do they get back at the oppressor? We should be honest, if you are a minority, you have to pass with a fucking C

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2019 03:08 PM (U7k5w)

121 Oggi's husband is over half-Paolo?
Ehh I suppose so's everybody in Europe

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 01, 2019 03:08 PM (YaJXa)

122 119 I just read the comments from #1 to #111. That felt strange, given I usually start at the bottom.
Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 01, 2019 03:07 PM (eAMlh)

Me too!

Posted by: Shep Smith at December 01, 2019 03:08 PM (QE8X6)

123 98. *shifty eyes*

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 03:08 PM (C+R83)

124 Although it warms my heart to know there is video record of me scratching my ass at WalMart.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 03:04 PM (LOq4H)

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Buddy of mine once crapped himself (wearing shorts) at a Home Depot. I'm sure the janitor wasn't laughing about it, but I bet the security guy watching that monitor was.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2019 03:08 PM (/C4s+)

125 With amusing results, like when 23andme said I was part Algerian Berber and then said "whooops".

They still insist on the Jewish and Asian ancestry though. I should probably be quiet about the latter when commenting on Kurt Eichenwald's twitter
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 01, 2019 03:05 PM (YaJXa)

Dad got west African results as well. I kind of shook my head and wondered how this was useful (leaving aside whether it was accurate or was checking a box for some SJW at the company.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:08 PM (ycWCI)

126
With amusing results, like when 23andme said I was part Algerian Berber and then said "whooops".
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"I used to wear a kilt...oops! Now I wear lederhosen!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 03:09 PM (LxqES)

127 -
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Although it warms my heart to know there is video record of me scratching my ass at WalMart.


Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 03:04 PM

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It's the finger-sniffing that gets the clicks.

Posted by: Youtube at December 01, 2019 03:09 PM (RVcmP)

128 China, inc. has all the data, anyway, since most of the lab work is done there.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2019 03:09 PM (/sgva)

129
I feel the same way. We are being overwhelmed though. Store cameras, license plate cameras, surveillance cameras, ATM cameras, electronic transactions, mail scanning, etc., etc.

My browser sometimes reports as many as 70 trackers being blocked.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

I agree the tide is strong against people like me. Still, I resist when I can. No, I won't sign that hospital form allowing sharing of my medical records. I laugh in a not-nice way when HIPAA is mentioned by ANY health professional. "It's none of your business" is one I still get away with on intake forms.

My Apple-obsessed friend hands over information willy-nilly to anyone who asks. He could not understand why I declined the fingerprint ID option when setting up my new laptop. "Google? Harmless!", he says. I'm just being paranoid, etc etc.

I tried to purchase an item on FB marketplace. The lady said, "Message me when you are close and I will open the gate." .......Ha. I said that I didn't DO smartphones and may I have her number to call when I arrived?

She wouldn't even do the deal b/c I was a weirdo for not having a smartphone or the ability to instantly contact her via FB when I arrived at the gate. No, I may not have her phone number!

/Oh - and get off my lawn!

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at December 01, 2019 03:10 PM (qdQJ5)

130 This means that the government has access forever to everything in your DNA without protection against future abuse, for instance insurance or employment discrimination based on your genome, should the data be released to other parties since you have no control of this data.
Very dangerous as technology accelerates (as in China's surveillance/social credit system) should our government resume its journey towards totalitarian practices.
Posted by: civil truth at December 01, 2019 02:54 PM (ymrPC)

I agree with you - and right now, I see the practice advancing with almost no controls right now, and I do not think there are good prospects for stopping it completely. That's why I believe we should support legislation that would allow but limit the practice to those times when it is absolutely essential for a felony investigation. That's the only way I see for us to have some control over it. Having it done by the State Legislatures is better than letting it be carried out by Police bureaucracies and a few Courts.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 03:10 PM (V2Yro)

131 Buddy of mine once crapped himself (wearing shorts) at a Home Depot. I'm sure the janitor wasn't laughing about it, but I bet the security guy watching that monitor was.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2019 03:08 PM (/C4s+)

White Castle is not something to be undertaken lightly, lads.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:10 PM (ycWCI)

132 119 I just read the comments from #1 to #111. That felt strange, given I usually start at the bottom.
Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 01, 2019 03:07 PM (eAMlh)

Me too!
Posted by: Shep Smith at December 01, 2019 03:08 PM (QE8X6)

I knew it would happen.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 01, 2019 03:10 PM (eAMlh)

133 I think if you get "Ashkenazi" in 23 & me that's a high degree of accuracy.
"Native American or Asian" is not.

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 03:10 PM (G546f)

134 "I used to wear a kilt...oops! Now I wear lederhosen!"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 03:09 PM (LxqES)


LOL. That guy is not beta at all. Not at all.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 03:11 PM (aS1PU)

135 If you are 12.5% Cherokee, you are 87.5% the folks that killed 'em.

Posted by: klaftern at December 01, 2019 03:11 PM (RuIsu)

136 Buddy of mine once crapped himself (wearing shorts)
at a Home Depot. I'm sure the janitor wasn't laughing about it, but I
bet the security guy watching that monitor was.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice


That's move away and change your name stuff right there..lol

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 03:11 PM (LOq4H)

137 had to get finger printed for a part time job at the school district that had no contact with kids
Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 02:54 PM

Everyone with access to the building has a background check.

I stopped doing field trips last year because potential chaperones had to have a background check, and not many had them.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at December 01, 2019 03:11 PM (/+bwe)

138 I feel the same way. We are being overwhelmed though. Store cameras, license plate cameras, surveillance cameras, ATM cameras, electronic transactions, mail scanning, etc., etc.

My browser sometimes reports as many as 70 trackers being blocked.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Don't forget workplace cameras. Some staff at my last, very last ever, hospital told me that the break rooms and nurses' stations were being recorded. It's evil.

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2019 03:11 PM (U7k5w)

139 Real winners for commercials today
The all women USAF commercial- Girls und Luftwaffen

Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 03:11 PM (ZCEU2)

140 134 "I used to wear a kilt...oops! Now I wear lederhosen!"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 03:09 PM (LxqES)

LOL. That guy is not beta at all. Not at all.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 03:11 PM (aS1PU)

This is it exactly. I can understand if you are an orphan and you need a sense of history- we all need that, but if you know who you are and where you came from already? Is this going to change something or merely reinforce what you already know.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:12 PM (ycWCI)

141
... don't want to find out I have French ancestors.







Or worse....Irish.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 03:12 PM (ockrg)

142 If elected, I will eliminate these inconvenient DNA testers.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at December 01, 2019 03:13 PM (oVJmc)

143
Or worse....Irish.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 03:12 PM (ockrg)


Famine is over. Time to go back.

Posted by: fktheleft at December 01, 2019 03:13 PM (I54dk)

144 -
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Buddy of mine once crapped himself (wearing shorts)
at a Home Depot. I'm sure the janitor wasn't laughing about it, but I
bet the security guy watching that monitor was.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2019 03:08 PM (/C4s+)



White Castle is not something to be undertaken lightly, lads.



Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:10 PM

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Never trust a rampart.

Posted by: Harold and/or Kumar at December 01, 2019 03:14 PM (RVcmP)

145 142 If elected, I will eliminate these inconvenient DNA testers.
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren

finally, a reason to vote for her!

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 03:14 PM (G546f)

146 This is almost certainly constitutional. This wasn't information coerced from an unwilling population. It's a business record held by a company to which people voluntarily signed over their information, 99.9999% of which will be irrelevant. This sort of database is used by law enforcement almost routinely; like a list of license plates and what vehicles they're registered to, cf'd with vehicle owners and addresses in public records, or telephone metadata.

Simply screaming that something you dislike is UNCONSTITUTIONAL YOU FASCIST/SOCIALIST THUGS is stupid and counterproductive. There's not even an *attempt* at argument or persuasion, much less any at trying to understand applicable law.

Posted by: Apostate at December 01, 2019 03:14 PM (z2FAZ)

147 Don't forget workplace cameras. Some staff at my
last, very last ever, hospital told me that the break rooms and nurses'
stations were being recorded. It's evil.

Posted by: CN




Joke at my work was the place would burn to the ground, since every other sprinkler head was really a camera.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 03:14 PM (LOq4H)

148 Or worse....Irish.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 03:12 PM (ockrg)


Forget it Sooth. Everybody has Irish, those lads would screw anything and everything.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 03:14 PM (aS1PU)

149 I'm so glad I didn't have kids, that way no descendant of mine will be flagged for having the Crazy AAF gene. HA HA police state - I WIN!

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 03:15 PM (C+R83)

150 Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

Get your feet of that damned coffee table and clean your room, or so help me I will beat you silly, and then have your father do it again when he comes home.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo, overworked housewife at December 01, 2019 03:15 PM (wYseH)

151 My wife thought she had Irish ancestors, but it turned out that they were actually Scots who Cromwell had moved over to Ireland. (He figured he was killing two birds with one stone with that one) They spent a couple hundred years in Ireland and then moved on to America.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (V2Yro)

152 Forget it Sooth. Everybody has Irish, those lads would screw anything and everything.
Posted by: DR.WTF

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Tell me about it!

https://youtu.be/1_glHa8F7fA (Irish Dating Game)

Posted by: Irish sisters and cousins at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (Y4EXg)

153 If you are 12.5% Cherokee, you are 87.5% the folks that killed 'em.

Posted by: klaftern at December 01, 2019 03:11 PM (RuIsu)



Liz Warren: How about 1/1024? Me can't even get into Hekawi tribe now. ugh.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (krq/m)

154 Voluntarily submit my DNA? When hell freezes over. I screamed like a mashed cat when I had to let them take a fingerprint for my driver's license..my first fingerprint ever.

Why are people so careless with their vital information?

Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (VKG+Z)

155 Or worse....Irish.

Those cousinf@#ers were so inbred and cantankerous the geneticist can tell what county of Irish they were. Ulster is apparently more like island Scot than like Munster (my dad's brand of Irish).

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (YaJXa)

156 I support mandatory DNA testing.


For Chelsea Clinton.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (oVJmc)

157 Hardly any place these days is built without full security cameras

Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 03:17 PM (ZCEU2)

158 Get your feet of that damned coffee table and clean your room, or so help me I will beat you silly, and then have your father do it again when he comes home.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo, overworked housewife at December 01, 2019 03:15 PM (wYseH)

You always get like this when you drink your funny smelling 'Iced Tea' at 3 in the afternoon.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:17 PM (ycWCI)

159 156 I support mandatory DNA testing.


For Chelsea Clinton.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (oVJmc)

And Barky

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2019 03:17 PM (U7k5w)

160 150 Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

Get your feet of that damned coffee table and clean your room, or so help me I will beat you silly, and then have your father do it again when he comes home.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo, overworked housewife at December 01, 2019 03:15 PM (wYseH)

Mom?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2019 03:18 PM (NWiLs)

161 What I am taking from this thread is that if you eat at White Castle, do not wear a kilt.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 01, 2019 03:18 PM (YaJXa)

162 If DNA did not already exist some someone out there would justify personal taggants to be used by all individuals... for the children.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 01, 2019 03:18 PM (1g7ch)

163 If you poop in a public toilet, you left your DNA there. Stay in a hotel room? Yup. Eat in a restaurant? Yes. Have a picnic in a park? Toss a paper cup you used in the trash? Smoked a cigarette and left the butt on the street? Chewed gum and spat it out? Yes, indeed. Criminals have been caught by police grabbing up their DNA in these very scenarios at crime scenes and matching it in a Government database. But there are so many crimes where DNA is found at the scene, but there is no match in the Government database.

I'm not saying this to make normal people paranoid -- just those who might think they can get away with trying a life of crime. Anything that gives them pause is good. We don't have the death sentence anymore to discourage thrill seeking psychopaths, so we may as well hold the sword of DNA testing over their heads.

I'm glad that foreigners crossing the border are now routinely having their DNA collected -- that should give would-be terrorists and drug dealers who come here pause.

And me? I'm glad to give my DNA to any database that will allow COURT CONTROLLED police access to help identify criminals and clear the innocent. I consider it my civic duty. If you don't want your DNA in the commercial databases, no one is forcing you to send it -- but please don't try to restrict my ability to do so.

Posted by: Starboardhelm at December 01, 2019 03:18 PM (hOtJL)

164 I think German is still the biggest DNA pool of the US population, with Irish and Scotch-Irish close behind.
Others like Italian are regional (lots in NY, NJ, New England)

Posted by: JoeF. at December 01, 2019 03:18 PM (o1fzk)

165 I support mandatory DNA testing.





For Chelsea Clinton.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (oVJmc)



And Barky

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2019 03:17 PM (U7k5w)


And his turkey baster kids

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2019 03:19 PM (krq/m)

166 Hardly any place these days is built without full security cameras
Posted by: Skip

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HA! Pikers!! The last place I worked had drones flying continually all over/around the facilities. Did facial recognition too.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 03:19 PM (Y4EXg)

167 If you poop in a public toilet, you left your DNA there.


Depends.

*hic*

Posted by: Her Thighness at December 01, 2019 03:19 PM (oVJmc)

168 Even the Hekawi won't take the Irish.

Posted by: klaftern at December 01, 2019 03:19 PM (RuIsu)

169 If the Gman wants a sample from me I'll give him a urine sample.

Posted by: Sock Monkey... carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero at December 01, 2019 03:20 PM (wmoAX)

170 'If you poop in a public toilet, you left your DNA there.'

That collector really has a shit job. *rimshot*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:20 PM (ycWCI)

171 HA! Pikers!! The last place I worked had drones flying continually all over/around the facilities. Did facial recognition too.
Posted by: Tonypete

SPECTRE?

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 03:21 PM (G546f)

172 HA! Pikers!! The last place I worked had drones flying continually all over/around the facilities. Did facial recognition too.

CircleK has really upped their game.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 03:21 PM (xkSJa)

173 I support mandatory DNA testing.





For Chelsea Clinton.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (oVJmc)



And Barky

Posted by: CN at December 01, 2019 03:17 PM (U7k5w)


And his turkey baster kids
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2019 03:19

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And Mooch

Posted by: JQ at December 01, 2019 03:21 PM (gP/Z3)

174 "I used to wear a kilt...oops! Now I wear lederhosen!"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 03:09 PM (LxqES)

LOL. That guy is not beta at all. Not at all.
Posted by: DR.WTF
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Could have been worse.

"I thought I was a man...oops!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 03:22 PM (LxqES)

175 "148 Or worse....Irish.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 03:12 PM (ockrg)
Forget it Sooth. Everybody has Irish, those lads would screw anything and everything.
Posted by: DR.WTF"
*******
Mine came back only 80% Irish. Trying to figure out who the rest was.

Posted by: Cosda at December 01, 2019 03:22 PM (t8HiD)

176 Tell me about it!

https://youtu.be/1_glHa8F7fA (Irish Dating Game)
Posted by: Irish sisters and cousins at December 01, 2019 03:16 PM (Y4EXg)


That there is funny.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 03:22 PM (aS1PU)

177 -
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Hardly any place these days is built without full security cameras


Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 03:17 PM

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Well, 10% security, 90% memento.

Posted by: Shep!!'s Butthole at December 01, 2019 03:23 PM (RVcmP)

178 And Mooch

Posted by: JQ


"Well Mike, this is what we call in the biz, as a two edged sword..."

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 03:23 PM (LOq4H)

179 154 Voluntarily submit my DNA? When hell freezes over. I screamed like a mashed cat when I had to let them take a fingerprint for my driver's license..my first fingerprint ever.

Why are people so careless with their vital information?
Posted by: creeper

Went to cash a $50 check at the drive-thru of the bank upon which it was written. No, sorry, you'll have to come inside since you don't have an account here. Once inside, after presenting my driver's license for ID, I was told I had to imprint my fingerprint on the check using the handy dandy ink-pad. WTF?

And don't even get me started on narcissism central - facebook - and the trove of personal data spewn (spewed?) there ...including photos of all the children, who never consented to their privacy being violated. And it's there forever.

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at December 01, 2019 03:23 PM (qdQJ5)

180 I want to submit my DNA in the poop in a box thingee and mail off to the unlucky soul who has to process it.

Couple of pounds outta do it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 01, 2019 03:23 PM (Z+IKu)

181 HA! Pikers!! The last place I worked had drones flying continually all over/around the facilities. Did facial recognition too.
Posted by: Tonypete
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Pfft!

Ours had drones inside , hovering over cubicles, and bathroom stalls.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 03:24 PM (LxqES)

182 Well one good thing about having cameras everywhere is that there is so much data being collected, eventually it will take them years to catch up with you.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 01, 2019 03:24 PM (o1fzk)

183 Yeah, it's BS. Hmm, I'm going to hand these people my DNA and pay them for the privilege? I don't think so.

Posted by: tsj017 at December 01, 2019 03:25 PM (7ReX+)

184 Right or wrong, Third Party Doctrine has been established case law since at least the 60's. You are not secure in your persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures when you freely and voluntarily turn those items over to another (whether an individual or entity).

Financial records in particular only require a subpoena at the federal level.

This has been chipped away at by subsequent court rulings (some cell phone and email data in particular now require a warrant), and I believe it will be whittled down even further, but I don't understand why people would give their DNA to one of these companies, or their digital data to Facebook, Google, Instagram, etc and think it was secure. It is probably right in the Terms of Agreement we all scroll through without reading.




Posted by: elliot at December 01, 2019 03:25 PM (k94B5)

185 Mine came back only 80% Irish. Trying to figure out who the rest was.
Posted by: Cosda at December 01, 2019 03:22 PM (t8HiD)

some of those Spaniards who snuck ashore from the armada.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 01, 2019 03:25 PM (V2Yro)

186 The gubmint already has my address, name, social security number, driver's license number, photo, selective service registration info, all of my tax returns and tax id number, voter registration, records of all my firearms purchases (and now my ammo purchases too in California), auto registration, boat registration, fingerprints, public school and state university records, personal hunting and fishing license information, credit report and the real estate that I own and pay taxes on.
But if I don't give them my DNA, they can never find me, right?

Posted by: Donald R Wright at December 01, 2019 03:26 PM (ko1d7)

187 Well one good thing about having cameras everywhere is that there is so much data being collected, eventually it will take them years to catch up with you.
Posted by: JoeF.
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You underestimate the power of the NSA's server farm.

Posted by: Bob, at NSA at December 01, 2019 03:26 PM (LxqES)

188 Red Flag Law shooting, via Tim Pool.

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1201216444236730368

Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 03:26 PM (vSb78)

189 Has anyones life really changed knowing their ancestry?

Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 03:27 PM (ZCEU2)

190 From what I've heard, cold cases are solved when it turns out that the unsub is a first/second cousin of a 23 and me consumer. They don't kick in everyone's door who fits the profile. They apply more filters until it points to one- i.e. first cousin of consumer, lives within 25 miles of crime at the time, went to same high school as Vic, etc.

Posted by: Legendary Music Producer Bruce Dickinson at December 01, 2019 03:27 PM (87EdW)

191 80% Irish?

Try the Vikings for the rest.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 01, 2019 03:27 PM (o1fzk)

192 Don't sweat your "privacy". Security is so good that only 12 year olds can hack your stuff.

Posted by: klaftern at December 01, 2019 03:28 PM (RuIsu)

193 Has anyones life really changed knowing their ancestry?
Posted by: Skip
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Uh...yes.

Posted by: Frau Schmit (Nee Hitler) at December 01, 2019 03:28 PM (LxqES)

194 Legendary Music Producer Bruce Dickinson

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THE Bruce Dickinson?

Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 03:29 PM (Y4EXg)

195 I've never understood why people would want this information about themselves anyway.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 01, 2019 03:29 PM (H5knJ)

196 re 186

Actually the Chinese already have some of that; at the time of the OPM hack my ex was a DOJ lawyer and my son-in-law worked for a defense contractor. My current information was on their long form whatever the number was. I understand the argument for not using the testing services but am not quite sure at this point if I have any private information left.

Posted by: Lirio100 at December 01, 2019 03:30 PM (JK7Jw)

197 185- that's funny, one of my daughter's got the 23 and me as a gift, and that was one explanation ( my father is 1/2 Irish, no Spanish was known).

Posted by: Legendary Music Producer Bruce Dickinson at December 01, 2019 03:30 PM (87EdW)

198 188 Red Flag Law shooting, via Tim Pool.

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1201216444236730368
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 03:26 PM (vSb7

The date on that is 5 Nov 2018.

Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 03:30 PM (vSb78)

199 To get conceal carry and for professional licensing I had to give up a full set of fingerprints each time. So I refuse to hand over anything else. But probably screwed already cuz of the prints.
Posted by: KinLa at December 01, 2019 02:33 PM (6tKOW)

This plus US Coast Guard captains licenses. The state of NC got them for the CC and the feds got them for the captains license. See no reason to give DNA sample.

Posted by: Agitator at December 01, 2019 03:30 PM (VP1T8)

200 Interesting there are security cameras, when one, in Cal can walk out with <900 dollars worth of stuff and not be prosecuted. Must need em for the BIG ticket thefts.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 03:31 PM (LOq4H)

201 194- whoops, sock off, that was last night's joke.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 01, 2019 03:31 PM (87EdW)

202 :186 The gubmint already has my address, name, social security number, driver's license number, photo, selective service registration info, all of my tax returns and tax id number, voter registration, records of all my firearms purchases (and now my ammo purchases too in California), auto registration, boat registration, fingerprints, public school and state university records, personal hunting and fishing license information, credit report and the real estate that I own and pay taxes on.
But if I don't give them my DNA, they can never find me, right?:
***************
I know in Maine your property taxes have to be up to date to buy a hunting or fishing license but why does fish and game need your social security number?

Posted by: Cosda at December 01, 2019 03:31 PM (t8HiD)

203 198 188 Red Flag Law shooting, via Tim Pool.

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1201216444236730368
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 03:26 PM (vSb7

The date on that is 5 Nov 2018.
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 03:30 PM (vSb7

mea culpa
also Tim Pool's culpa

Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 03:32 PM (vSb78)

204 Simply screaming that something you dislike is UNCONSTITUTIONAL YOU FASCIST/SOCIALIST THUGS is stupid and counterproductive. There's not even an *attempt* at argument or persuasion, much less any at trying to understand applicable law.

Posted by: Apostate
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If a company says "We will not share your data" then you can do business with it with the expectation that it will not share your data.

This is a legal expectation. I would think that it would be enforced by the Federal Trade Commission or someone like them. They are advertising a selling point -- privacy, in this case -- and to do the exact opposite would be quite illegal.

There are ways to protect this privacy. You send them your DNA, they send you the results you paid them for, and they then destroy everything. If it lingers long enough for a police detective to get it, then the company failed in fulfilling a legal contract with its customer.

As far as Constitutionality goes, there's something in the Fourth Amendment about the government needing a good reason to get all up into your business. The cop and the judge are basically conspiring to sidestep the spirit of this law which, when done by officers of the justice system, is as bad as side-stepping the letter of the law. It's wrong (obviously) but it is also against the law.

So there's the beginnings of an argument. Calling the police socialist thugs is admittedly gratuitous. Perhaps it's also stupid and counterproductive, but it's also more true than false.

Have you a counterargument?

Posted by: FireHorse at December 01, 2019 03:32 PM (eENq1)

205 20 Google wants my fingerprint to unlock my phone.

So easy, so convenient!

So permanently stored in their servers!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 01, 2019 02:30 PM (oVJmc)


________



Saw a headline earlier today where China is mandating that its citizens scan their face before they can access internet services or get a new phone number.


Coming soon to a Leftist paradise hellhole near you ...

Posted by: ShainS at December 01, 2019 03:32 PM (WqPYg)

206 I know in Maine your property taxes have to be up to date to buy a hunting or fishing license but why does fish and game need your social security number?
Posted by: Cosda at December 01, 2019 03:31 PM (t8HiD)


Old and busted: Your social security number will never be used for identification purposes.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 03:33 PM (aS1PU)

207 Watch movie GATTACA. Very good.

About a detective on a murder DNA trail.

Uma Thurman supplies eye candy.

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2019 03:33 PM (dBJR+)

208 I know in Maine your property taxes have to be up to date to buy a hunting or fishing license but why does fish and game need your social security number?
Posted by: Cosda at December 01, 2019 03:31 PM (t8HiD)

Ah, the old Social Security Ponzi number will not be used as an ID but it really is gambit.

Bernie Madoff blushes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 01, 2019 03:34 PM (Z+IKu)

209 I'll keep my bodily fluids to myself, thank you very much.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 01, 2019 03:34 PM (dUJdY)

210 But if I don't give them my DNA, they can never find me, right?

We need your address to get the DNA to put on our evidence. None shall question our evidential chain of custody!

Posted by: FBI at December 01, 2019 03:34 PM (Ibwur)

211 Michelle did the DNA testing IIRC. I don't recall what part of Africa her ancestors were from. Barky of course did not, IF his listed dad is correct he wouldn't have wanted to remind blacks of all the Arabic dna, and if his dad was really the creepy commie poet he wouldn't have wanted that shown either.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 01, 2019 03:34 PM (n4y+3)

212
I got an alibi!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 01, 2019 03:34 PM (i6IBs)

213 Saw a headline earlier today where China is
mandating that its citizens scan their face before they can access
internet services or get a new phone number.


Coming soon to a Leftist paradise hellhole near you ...



Soon? Apple Face ID to unlock your phone is already here.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 03:34 PM (xkSJa)

214 #206 wait until they want a cheek swab.

....for the fish you know...

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2019 03:35 PM (dBJR+)

215 Old and busted: Your social security number will never be used for identification purposes.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 03:33 PM (aS1PU)

In college, our social was used as identification. Put it on almost every bluebook or exam. How stupid/crazy we were.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 01, 2019 03:35 PM (ycWCI)

216 Not a lawyer, but couldn't there be a class-action or similar lawsuit against that judge for overturning the choice of all those GEDmatch users who opted-out of law enforcement access to their DNA?

Posted by: ShainS at December 01, 2019 03:36 PM (WqPYg)

217 Old and busted: Your social security number will never be used for identification purposes.

Posted by: DR.WTF



Hey! Sure we f'd ya on that one, but totes honest, it'll never happen again.

Posted by: The Gov. at December 01, 2019 03:36 PM (LOq4H)

218 #211 bingo

And rapist Clinton has spawn out there he is straight arming .... like a Biden.

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2019 03:37 PM (dBJR+)

219 Soon? Apple Face ID to unlock your phone is already here.




Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 03:34 PM (xkSJa)

______


Didn't know that -- is it mandatory, or can you unlock your phone via a different method? I'd never submit to that ...

Posted by: ShainS at December 01, 2019 03:37 PM (WqPYg)

220 So, when does the left get tired of damaging themselves trying to get Trump by destroying our institutions? I'm not saying they'll back off. They won't. I'm just wondering when they'll shift tactics to simply trying to kill him.

Because they're not letting him win again without at least trying the "final solution". I'm guessing after he wipes floors in the first debate.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 01, 2019 03:38 PM (I99aF)

221 Didn't know that -- is it mandatory, or can you unlock your phone via a different method? I'd never submit to that ...

You can unlock it with a code, for now.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 03:39 PM (xkSJa)

222 DR.WTF @206

It used say that right on the card..."This number is not to be used for any purpose other than to identify Social Security funds."

I can't find mine. I wonder if it still does. Heck, they assign SS numbers to newborns now.

Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 03:39 PM (VKG+Z)

223 Once the cops gets 23 and me bead on you they lurk on your trash to get confirming DNA.

That's how they caught the East Area Rapist.

I'm waiting for the murder case where the perp frames someone else for the crime with their own DNA.

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2019 03:41 PM (dBJR+)

224 I can't find mine. I wonder if it still does. Heck, they assign SS numbers to newborns now.
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 03:39 PM (VKG+Z)


Yeah, you can't claim a child as a dependent without their SSN.

Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 03:41 PM (aS1PU)

225 WWMD??M= Maury

Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 03:41 PM (vJFfv)

226 Burner cash credit card with an anonymous browser and short term PO box at a mail boxes are US? Would that work?

Posted by: Shark at December 01, 2019 03:41 PM (Ze3O+)

227 I wonder if Epstein wasn't practicing some DNA blackmail.

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2019 03:42 PM (dBJR+)

228 This is the exact reason I declined my ccw. County Sheriff wanted all my fingerprints and a mug shot. Never had any fingerprints taken except my thumb at the dmv. And its a fubar print cause of a think on my thumb.

Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 03:43 PM (O/X1S)

229 I'm just wondering when they'll shift tactics to simply trying to kill him.


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I was just saying to a friend at Thanksgiving dinner how surprised I am that there haven't been multiple attempts already. Maybe they figure they can cheat enough to steal 2020, but if he wins again ... we'll likely see TDS on steroids.

Posted by: ShainS at December 01, 2019 03:43 PM (WqPYg)

230 Yeah, you can't claim a child as a dependent without their SSN.

Posted by: DR.WTF



Funny how it all comes back to taxes and the Federal Reserve. And no, this is not tinfoil hat shit.

Posted by: The Gov. at December 01, 2019 03:43 PM (LOq4H)

231 think=thing

Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 03:43 PM (O/X1S)

232 Off gov sock

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 01, 2019 03:44 PM (LOq4H)

233 #1 DNA is 1023/1024 buffalo crap.

Posted by: Liawatha at December 01, 2019 03:45 PM (dBJR+)

234 Soon? Apple Face ID to unlock your phone is already here.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 03:34 PM (xkSJa)

Which is why I am awaiting the Purism Librem 5 linux-based smartphone. Looks like there is another Linux phone in the offing, too, the "Pinephone", which is planned to sell for $149.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2019 03:46 PM (/sgva)

235 After WW1/WW2 it's a wonder there's any white DNA left.

Sarc\

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2019 03:46 PM (dBJR+)

236 CBD If you seriously believe your dna can not and is not being harvested for nefarious purposes without your permission or knowledge then you are the fool. Thats been going on for a long time. Ever been hospitalized? I chose to get the benefits of the technology while they were still available. I have met relatives, made friends around the world, and continue to solve mysteries of my familys history. For a historian it is an amazing tool. On a personal level its affected my development as a conservative shining a light on family narratives that keep many people on the plantation. We make life affecting decisions every day based on family narratives, I prefer to make ones based on science and research.

Posted by: wilbeforce at December 01, 2019 03:47 PM (u070i)

237 Got a new phone today. Yikes, anything you do they was you to read terms and conditions and privacy. Of which there is none. Nein, nein, nein.

Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 03:47 PM (O/X1S)

238 Have you a counterargument?
Posted by: FireHorse at December 01, 2019 03:32 PM (eENq1)

Fake and Gay.

Posted by: WindChicken at December 01, 2019 03:48 PM (ZiB2O)

239 I see today that AllahPundit is rather upset that Republican Rep Collins on the Judiciary Committee wants Schiff as the minority committee members first witness - oohh those rascally wabbits!

You see, as Allah explains to himself essentially, if you have a weak hand, you have to attack, unfairly one presumes, the "process." Allah was probably asleep during the Schiff impeachment inquiry, along with the rest of all Americans, as the witness after witness testified that no crime was ever committed by anyone much less Trump, and these clerks were just miffed about not being allowed to run foreign policy for the US.

Once you get it into your head that the Dems are going to go forward regardless of any crime here, all that is left to torch is the retarded process that brought this nothing burger to this stage - because arguing that there is obviously no crime or offense here with this insane clown posse makes YOU look insane - because you might as well be arguing that Schiff's eyes look bulgy or that Biden is suffering from sudden onset dementia - ie arguing the obvious is in and if itself signs of being retarded.



Posted by: Boswell at December 01, 2019 03:49 PM (32YRo)

240 In college, our social was used as identification. Put it on almost every bluebook or exam. How stupid/crazy we were.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

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Many of us are old enough to remember when we wrote our CC account numbers on the outside of the mail-in payment envelopes and didn't think a thing about it.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 03:49 PM (Y4EXg)

241 Search warrant jurisprudence doesn't really protect you from much.

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2019 03:49 PM (dBJR+)

242 You vote Republican and I'LL PUT YOU BACK IN CORN POP'S CHAINS.

Posted by: Slow Joe at December 01, 2019 03:52 PM (dBJR+)

243 Speaking of getting personal stuff, I spent over n hour trying to determine why my Amazon digital credits had disappeared. It turned into the customer service agent repeatedly requesting the last four digits of my credit card number and expiration date to look into it. I assured him my credit card company had given me the info and he could clearly see on his end that the invoice was marked with the full amount.

So why did he need my credit card info? Who knows? I won't be renewing Prime in the new year.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at December 01, 2019 03:52 PM (/+bwe)

244 Apparently they've sequenced the entire mitochondrial genome of at least one species of Surfperch and the data is publicly available. Looks like what little privacy I had left as a teleost fish has pretty much eroded away.

Posted by: Surfperch, wondering if the law's jurisdiction extends to the littoral zone at December 01, 2019 03:53 PM (tVQUs)

245 One of the biggest objections people raised at the time SS was instituted was that it would assign everyone a number. "Oh, no," the feds assured the populace. "See, it says right here on the card that it's strictly your SS account number and nobody else can use use it.". People bought...or maybe the other way around...and here we are.


Social Security is a pyramid scheme concocted to make it possible to track every move a citizen makes. It was never really about helping the elderly (though that's the way it was sold). It was always about control. And it worked perfectly.

Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 03:54 PM (VKG+Z)

246 I have been saying this to friends an relatives for awhile now. Unfortunately, Uncle Sam has my DNA that in theory was only supposed to be used to identify my body should I be blown up beyond recognition. I remember asking the medical technician what was going to happen to it when I retired. She just shrugged. Once it's in a database, it will always be in a database. Good thing neither I nor any of my relatives are criminals.

Posted by: Bill R. at December 01, 2019 03:54 PM (wzzJf)

247 Old and busted: Your social security number will never be used for identification purposes.

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And is definitely not the Mark of the Beast.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 01, 2019 03:55 PM (+y/Ru)

248 Search warrants are easy to obtain, but it helps if you don't go out of your way to create easily seizable evidence against yourself. Kinda like discovery of facebook-related evidence in divorces; you can't be forced to produce it if it doesn't exist.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 01, 2019 03:55 PM (H5knJ)

249 This is the exact reason I declined my ccw. County
Sheriff wanted all my fingerprints and a mug shot. Never had any
fingerprints taken except my thumb at the dmv. And its a fubar print
cause of a think on my thumb.


Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 03:43 PM

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I had my fingerprints taken dozens of times in the Military. With the OPM "hack" the Chinese have mine already so it doesn't make a difference.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2019 03:56 PM (JUOKG)

250 And is definitely not the Mark of the Beast.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler
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I agree completely! In fact, no SSN starts with 666.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 01, 2019 03:56 PM (eENq1)

251 Good thing neither I nor any of my relatives are criminals.

Posted by: Bill R. at December 01, 2019 03:54 PM (wzzJf)

That's adorably naive.

Posted by: The Federal Bureau of Investigation at December 01, 2019 03:56 PM (wYseH)

252
In college, our social was used as identification. Put it on almost every bluebook or exam. How stupid/crazy we were
Posted by: Aetius451AD


Don't know if you're 29, but back when I was in school there wasn't the means we have now of exploiting an SS number or, I think, the feeling it was something to be exploited. Nowadays, of course, you're just a serf. Of course the government can do anything it wants with your private information.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 01, 2019 03:56 PM (7rVsF)

253 Michelle did the DNA testing IIRC. I don't recall what part of Africa her ancestors were from.

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I thought her family was from the Great Northwest old growth forests.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 01, 2019 03:58 PM (+y/Ru)

254 I prefer to make ones based on science and research.

Posted by: wilbeforce at December 01, 2019 03:47 PM (u070i)

Wow...that virtue signal must be visible from space!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 03:58 PM (wYseH)

255 With the new phone I bought a new case and glass shield. If I sign up with the shield, I get free replacements for as long as I own the phone. Since I had the last phone for six years and never broke it, think I'll pass.

Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 03:59 PM (O/X1S)

256 Not unpopular with me.

Posted by: GWB at December 01, 2019 04:00 PM (VM0fq)

257 Nood-Food

Posted by: FireHorse at December 01, 2019 04:03 PM (eENq1)

258 After the birth of my daughter, with a woman I had been dating and somehow slipped one past the goalie, I confirmed paternity on the down low just to be sure. 15 years ago, I recall wondering where that data would go - destroyed, archived? Guess now I know.

Posted by: Vancouver Geoff at December 01, 2019 04:03 PM (o9UFo)

259 *pats seat alongside"


Come sit over here on the luddites' bench with me, CBD.

Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 04:05 PM (VKG+Z)

260 Here's the full Biden/roaches video, from 2017.

https://tinyurl.com/vf8e6cx

Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 04:06 PM (vSb78)

261 Michelle did the DNA testing IIRC. I don't recall what part of Africa her ancestors were from.

Yeah, but we never learned xer biological sex.

Posted by: JQ at December 01, 2019 04:07 PM (gP/Z3)

262 I know where my family came from since I have been doing genealogy for almost 20 years. Also, I'm a first-gen American from legal immigrants and know all of the relatives and stories. My husband knows nothing about his family and did an ancestry DNA kit. He's a mutt, as white as can be.

Posted by: Abby at December 01, 2019 04:07 PM (cLRnF)

263 Thanks, m. We'd better head upstairs.

Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 04:08 PM (VKG+Z)

264 Recently I had to go to a new OB/GYN. Their privacy requirement (which I read prior to my visit) noted that my DNA material would/could be given to researchers, DHS, law enforcement, etc. If I did not sign I may not be treated by the DR. I didn't sign it. Drafted a letter and gave it to the office manager when I arrived for my visit. The office manager said that I was first patient not to sign. They still took me as a patient. Also the NIH is looking for 1-million people to pony up their DNA.

Posted by: Nurse Betty at December 01, 2019 04:08 PM (t94wM)

265 253: Heh. And with teh FNM gushing as tho she looked like Beyonce I understand all the bigfoot, Worf, thats a man jokes. But there were plenty of women field hand slaves so that beefy build is/was hardly a rarity.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 01, 2019 04:09 PM (n4y+3)

266 In college, our social was used as identification.

My state (then, but no more) also used it for driver's license number! Some folks even had their ssn printed on their checks, to match up w/the license # as fraud prevention.

Posted by: JQ at December 01, 2019 04:09 PM (gP/Z3)

267 I think there is a middle ground where a legitimate search warrant is the path.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 01, 2019 04:11 PM (2DOZq)

268 Thank you CBD Ill be the bigger man and take that as a compliment. Hope that one didn't blind you.

Posted by: wilbeforce at December 01, 2019 04:16 PM (u070i)

269
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Guess she is a Big fan of her Dad after all

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 01, 2019 04:24 PM (BqBId)

270 I did realize early on how all the dna data could be used by the government and other unsavory types. But I love history and anthropology. Genetic studies were interesting and appealing to me. So I've confirmed that I am 80% Iberian. Expected given four Spanish grandparents. But the .1% East Asian (possibly statistical noise) and the 2% Finn were puzzling. Then one lab came back with 20% eastern European and the other with 0 for eastern European. Really?
Oh well, I guess they got most of it right.

Posted by: Floridachick at December 01, 2019 04:28 PM (JGYMS)

271 STD testing didn't protect identities -- the public health people had to track down all the sexual contacts. Then HIV came along and anonymity was the rule but still allowed contact tracking.

So, there should be a way to do this for DNA. F*ck that f*cking judge. All these people who take an oath to uphold the Constitution -- should pay a price for breaking that vow.

Posted by: FloridaMan at December 01, 2019 04:35 PM (8lGh5)

272 Once medical records became digitized it was only a matter of time before the "authorities", whomever they be, would have access without our permission or knowledge. Wait until Medicare for all!! Then they'll match your medical records/DNA with your credit/debit purchases and start telling you that if you drink sugary drinks then your genetically pre-disposed diabetes will not be covered. Not to mention having Barney Fife plant your DNA at some crime scene cause you wear a MAGA hat.

Posted by: redinabluestate at December 01, 2019 04:59 PM (XUO5p)

273 I tried to warn you, but it may have already been too late.

Convenience, technology, quality of life-- the lure of it all!

It was impossible to foresee the means by which Big Brother would enslave future generations, only that it would be so.

*sigh*

There was perhaps one thing I was wrong about:

Big Brother doesn't really care whether you "love" him; rather, that you merely OBEY.

Posted by: zombie George Orwell at December 01, 2019 05:23 PM (gP/Z3)

274 I've given blood and always wondered if the lab didn't supply a sample to establish me in a DNA database.

Posted by: Old Dude at December 01, 2019 05:49 PM (LGXGf)

275 There is a scam related to this, too. Companies come around volunteering to test your DNA at no charge to you. What is not realized is that Medicate allows a one-time DNA testing when indicated by a doctor. These DNA-testing scam companies bill Medicare for the test....and when you need one by medical prescription it turns out that Medicare doesn't pay it. They've already paid the once.

Furthermore, these companies than turn around and sell the DNA results to research companies. They get paid twice for something that they obtained for free.

Just type in "medicare dna scam" to your browser's search engine.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 01, 2019 05:58 PM (17+9D)

276 Old Dude, I'm suspicious that ZeroCare made everyone's blood samples subject to (at least an initial) dna test. Who *hasn't* had some bloodwork done as part of their annual "wellness" check?

Also, my Dr's office required a digital photo taken, within a year after aca passed.

Plus fingerprints and "background check" for ccw. Plus the OPM hack, that surely netted many 100s of thousands of friends and relatives of the primary victims...

We're already *in the system* like it or not.

Welcome to the jungle fishbowl.

Posted by: JQ at December 01, 2019 06:04 PM (gP/Z3)

277 Also for ccw: digital photo for facial recognition (has to be taken with glasses *off*, unlike regular driver license photo)

Posted by: JQ at December 01, 2019 06:09 PM (gP/Z3)

278 *dons tinfoil hat*

And then, there was that huge push for everyone (over 40?) to get a colonoscopy... for the possible purpose of implanting a transponder?

*doffs tinfoil hat*

Nah, they would never do that. And no Dr. would ever accept any amount of "incentive" $ to do it...

Posted by: JQ at December 01, 2019 06:15 PM (gP/Z3)

279 JQ, the digital picture was something new I encountered a month ago when I had an initial evaluation done on my hip. It was explained that it was voluntary and the girl at the desk could see by my reaction that I was not the least bit interested. Couldn't understand why they'd want it. Now, with the benefit of this thread, it's becoming clearer. If the technology facilitates activities, they will most certainly happen, whether for legitimate or nefarious motivations. Cannot imagine the special kind of hell that will result when dna reports a false-positive. Seems it will be nigh on to impossible to prove one's innocence. As you've so aptly put it, "Welcome to the jungle fishbowl."

Posted by: Old Dude at December 01, 2019 06:27 PM (LGXGf)

280 DNA testing unexpectedly found yours truly a full-blooded member of proud Hekawi tribe. Just received casino license. Plan to open 9/20. First week headliners in the swank Boom Boom Room are Jerry Vale and Corbett Monica.

Posted by: RoaringChicken at December 01, 2019 06:28 PM (XXaRO)

281 253
Michelle did the DNA testing IIRC. I don't recall what part of Africa her ancestors were from.



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I thought her family was from the Great Northwest old growth forests.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 01, 2019 03:58 PM (+y/Ru)

Laugh Of The Day.
Thanks

Posted by: Birkenstock Cowboy at December 01, 2019 06:33 PM (GzDud)

282 Lol, RoaringChicken!

What's the minimum percentage for a Tribal Card, anyway?

IIRC, Mom said we qualified for bennies, but refused to make claim on the school forms we came home with...

Perhaps one day I'll receive reparations, rather than pay them? (Not likely: I look *very* white)

Posted by: JQ at December 01, 2019 06:40 PM (gP/Z3)

283 My family doesn't understand why I don't send in some spit with the kit mom got the whole family. It's the exact same reason I don't use facebook.

My brother sent one in anyway and so his and mine would match, no?

Posted by: Ree at December 01, 2019 08:19 PM (TSjzP)

284 his and mine would match, no?

No, not exactly. But they would be *close*. Close enough that you could be identified as a "possible sibling" if you also sent in a sample.

Posted by: JQ at December 01, 2019 08:26 PM (gP/Z3)

285 Years back there was a murder near a large military base, local cops wanted to snoop in the DoD DNA data base. DoD said "Sure, give us a name and the DNA evidence you have and we'll tell you if it's a match" Local cops replied "We don't have a name, we just want to see if there's a match in the DoD data base." DoD response "LOLGF". Allegedly service member DNA is removed when the service member separates and is NOT included in criminal databases.

Posted by: Stacy0311 at December 01, 2019 08:29 PM (SqpTW)

286 Ree, this is assuming you and that brother have the same mother *and* father...

Posted by: JQ at December 01, 2019 08:30 PM (gP/Z3)

287 Some, er, information for educational purposes:

- They've now reached the point where they can pull DNA off of ejected brass, as a result of someone loading magazines without gloves on. Obviously they have a fairly short window within which to recover the brass, and they have to do it without contaminating it, but it's possible. If they collect it properly they can pull a match years later.

- They're now pushing 30+ years on recovering matchable latent DNA off of things like rocks, tools, etc. This is on stuff processed as part of an initial scene and then stuffed into an evidence box.

CBD is right, voluntarily submitting DNA for recreational analysis is idiotic.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at December 01, 2019 10:18 PM (67XdO)

288 Although I am quite the civil libertarian, and believe strongly that our individual rights should be protected, I'm going to argue for the contrarian view here.

No you are not a libertarian of any kind.

Posted by: Robin Banks at December 01, 2019 10:41 PM (SvIvD)

289 The local VA clinics slobbers all over me to provide DNA "To Help fellow Veterans" I say, "No", they say, WHAT! Don't you want to help your fellow Veterans? I say, "That's supposed to be your job."They Pout.

Posted by: obsidian at December 02, 2019 02:34 PM (7+yqP)

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