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Food Thread: Leftovers: What To Do With Them Besides Feeding Them To The Dog...
From Nutmeg Nanny
As I move further and further from my youth I have discovered that while my sweet tooth survives intact, the real pleasure I get from desserts is in the intensity of flavor, rather than the volume of sugar I can cram into my mouth. Stuff like this, Chocolate Truffle Recipes, from Martha Stewert or a dozen competent cooks will do the trick, or an intensely-flavored chocolate cake, like this spectacular and very easy flourless chocolate cake with caramel sauce that Bluebell suggested a few years ago. Interestingly, my recent successful attempt at a low-carb diet has made desserts more appealing, because I simply won't settle for a couple of fresh cookies or a slice of some generic cake. If I am going to eat carbs, then they are going to be worth it! That's why my pecan pie had toasted and chopped pecans throughout the filling, and about four ounces of excellent bittersweet chocolate to cut the sweetness a bit. Yup, it was great, and it was even better this morning with a cup of strong coffee.
Screw off. Seriously. My pie crusts look like they were rolled out by the kid sitting backwards in the front seat of the short bus. You know, the kid with the helmet and knee pads!
How to Make Decorative Pie Crust Edges
I'm fairly competent in the kitchen, and have been able to refine my bread making skills so the loaves come out pretty close to what one sees at bakeries. But pie crusts have eluded me. This year Bluebell promised that she would do them all for me, but she reneged on the deal. I shouldn't be surprised...Red Sox fan you know.
Chick-Fil-A Outsources Food Production To McDonald's
According to corporate spokespeople, since the company's unique approach has been working so incredibly well, it was only obvious that it was time to change things up. "Why fix what isn't broken? Well, because a few people were mad about it, that's why," a spokesperson said.
So sad, because it's hysterically funny and oh-so-true.
[Hat Tip:redc1c4]
Hey Jamie, you are stupid. This is not a Manhattan recipe, this is for what is called a "Perfect Manhattan," which refers not to its quality (although it is a fine drink) but to the equal parts of red and white vermouth that are used.
Manhattan
This is why ordering cocktails in England is a risk. Aside from their excellent G&Ts, it just isn't worth the trouble to teach the bartender how to make a civilized drink. We fought a revolution to get away from their crappy drinks, and we should keep this kind of stuff on the other side of the Atlantic.
Food and cooking tips, Castelvetrano olives with a sprinkle of chili flakes, young wild pigs, crisp bacon (although I am moving toward less crisp), thick and fluffy pita, and good tomatoes that aren't square, pale pink and covered with Mestizo E.coli: cbd dot aoshq at gmail dot com. Any advocacy of French Toast with syrup will result in disciplinary action up to and including being nuked from orbit. And yes, shaking a Manhattan is blasphemy...it's in the Bible!
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:01 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: loneranger at December 01, 2019 04:02 PM (8dVNa)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 04:03 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: FireHorse at December 01, 2019 04:04 PM (eENq1)
Posted by: JT at December 01, 2019 04:04 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:04 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: loneranger at December 01, 2019 04:04 PM (8dVNa)
I'm enjoying mine, so far.
http://www.krautsource.com
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at December 01, 2019 04:05 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: JT at December 01, 2019 04:06 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: loneranger at December 01, 2019 04:07 PM (8dVNa)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 04:07 PM (ZCEU2)
Fortunately, she also bought a second turkey, which now takes up most of our freezer. I'll have to make it before Christmas.
Posted by: pep at December 01, 2019 04:07 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:08 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:08 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Vancouver Geoff at December 01, 2019 04:09 PM (o9UFo)
Posted by: pep at December 01, 2019 04:09 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 01, 2019 04:10 PM (Lqy/e)
1 pound of wild rice, cooked, preferably in broth
3 celery stalks, chopped
Half a medium onion, chopped
3 cloves of garlic, minced
One pound of cooked, shredded chicken (or beef, or pork, or lamb)
One can cream of chicken or celery soup and four ounces of water
One teaspoon salt
One half teaspoon pepper
One pound of frozen tater tots
Preheat the oven to 375. Saute the celery and onion until tender. Add the garlic for the last 45 seconds. Mix this in with the cooked wild rice, salt and pepper, and the cooked chicken. Put this mixture in an appropriately sized baking dish. Stir in the soup concentrate and water. Level it all off, then cover the top with a single layer of tater tots. Bake uncovered for 50 minutes or until the tots are golden brown.
Posted by: Gordon at November 30, 2019 05:44 PM
I suggested to do this being it was willowed on the Garden Thread
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 04:10 PM (ZCEU2)
When it comes to turkey, is it really leftovers or just a continuation?
Posted by: Diogenes at December 01, 2019 04:10 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Mortimer Duke at December 01, 2019 04:10 PM (XVuno)
Posted by: CN's dog Rusty at December 01, 2019 04:10 PM (U7k5w)
I'd like to try that, but just have some questions.
Do you put paper towels both on the bottom and top? How long do you cook it and when do you flip the bacon?
And what's the difference using a microwave?
Just curious.
Posted by: HH at December 01, 2019 04:10 PM (mIJBI)
Posted by: Jorts of Sorts at December 01, 2019 04:11 PM (WxK8d)
Posted by: JT at December 01, 2019 04:11 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: diggler at December 01, 2019 04:11 PM (8dVNa)
With so many fewer customers, it doesn't pay to raise your own chickens anymore?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 01, 2019 04:11 PM (XVuno)
So a food question. Last night on the ONT people were talking about baking bacon as opposed to frying it.
I'd like to try that, but just have some questions.
Do you put paper towels both on the bottom and top? How long do you cook it and when do you flip the bacon?
I put Al foil underneath the bacon, cook for 18 minutes on 400, and when it's done, I put it on a paper towel-covered plate. It's perfect every time.
Posted by: pep at December 01, 2019 04:12 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: CN at December 01, 2019 04:12 PM (U7k5w)
BLACKENED RANCH DRESSING
- Your favorite ranch dressing
..(I prefer Litehouse's refrigerated Jalapeņo ranch)
- blackened seasoning
- crushed garlic (again, I love Christopher Ranch)
- a smoky seasoning, such as Buffalo Wild Wings' Desert Heat (optional)
- Tabasco (optional)
Basically, just get your ranch into a container and mix in as much of the above as you like and/or think you can stand. I like to add a moderate amount of the Desert Heat seasoning and then go nuts with the Tabasco and garlic.
Surprisingly good and it goes with a lot of things, including veggies, deviled eggs, and I even like a bit of it with my steak, as well as fried chicken.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:12 PM (L2ZTs)
My mother would do a huge turkey for Thanksgiving, and then we would eat for two weeks on the leftovers in various guises, and then another two weeks on the soup made from the brew-up of the bones. I'd be so sick of eternal turkey, strong to save, that I'd want practically anything else for Christmas dinner...
Posted by: Sgt. Mom at December 01, 2019 04:12 PM (xnmPy)
Feeling better ?
Posted by: JT at December 01, 2019 04:06 PM (arJlL)
Yes! Thank you for asking!
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:12 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 01, 2019 04:13 PM (dUJdY)
I put the bacon on a sheet pan that I line with foil. Put it in a cold oven and set it to 350 degrees (convection). It is done in about 30 minutes, and it is perfect. Check it frequently until you know how long it takes in your particular oven.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 04:13 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 04:13 PM (ZCEU2)
Take your stuffing, line a casserole dish with it. Next layer on your sweet taters. Then turkey meat, then the cranberry sauce, then the green beans or whatever green thing you got, then top the whole thing with mashed taters and a sprinkle of cheese.
Bake at about 350 degrees until heated through. Serve with your left over gravy and your good to go.
Your welcome.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 01, 2019 04:13 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 01, 2019 04:13 PM (XVuno)
Do you put paper towels both on the bottom and top? How long do you cook it and when do you flip the bacon?
I put Al foil underneath the bacon, cook for 18 minutes on 400, and when it's done, I put it on a paper towel-covered plate. It's perfect every time.
Posted by: pep at December 01, 2019 04:12 PM (T6t7i)
That's exactly how I do it! It has never made a mess in the oven, and the pieces don't curl up so much.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:14 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:15 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 01, 2019 04:15 PM (dUJdY)
Posted by: pep at December 01, 2019 04:15 PM (T6t7i)
I'm going to make a turkey carcass soup tomorrow,
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:15 PM (4QNIP)
And what's the difference using a microwave?
Just curious.
Posted by: HH at December 01, 2019 04:10 PM (mIJBI)
I never put any type of protein in the microwave.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:15 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:16 PM (4QNIP)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:16 PM (L2ZTs)
My husband ate all the leftover cranberry sauce. I could kick his ass.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 01, 2019 04:16 PM (dUJdY)
Posted by: Joey at December 01, 2019 04:16 PM (RVcmP)
Posted by: Caliban at December 01, 2019 04:17 PM (QE8X6)
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:17 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:18 PM (4QNIP)
My husband ate all the leftover cranberry sauce. I could kick his ass.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 01, 2019 04:16 PM (dUJdY)
I don't blame you!
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:18 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2019 04:19 PM (dBJR+)
I told my editor, I've got my next several Fast Foodie columns already planned out. I'll go ahead and give you all the rundown:
- Dec 12: Review of a local Garden Grove diner, Harry's Place
- Dec 26: Year-end review of 2019
- Jan 9: Preview of everything I've got planned to try in 2020
- Jan 23: My review of Banh Mi (I've never tried it before, and my editor wants a column on it; numerous places in nearby Little Saigon and elsewhere for it, of course)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:19 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: pep at December 01, 2019 04:09 PM (T6t7i)
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Same deal tomorrow if you order online and pick up at the store.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 04:19 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 04:20 PM (ZCEU2)
I told my editor, I've got my next several Fast Foodie columns already planned out. I'll go ahead and give you all the rundown:
- Dec 12: Review of a local Garden Grove diner, Harry's Place
- Dec 26: Year-end review of 2019
- Jan 9: Preview of everything I've got planned to try in 2020
- Jan 23: My review of Banh Mi (I've never tried it before, and my editor wants a column on it; numerous places in nearby Little Saigon and elsewhere for it, of course)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:19 PM (L2ZTs)
Those articles sound like a lot of fun!
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:20 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Zombie Emeril at December 01, 2019 04:20 PM (oVJmc)
My kitchen smells yummy.
I fixed probably 8 to-go containers for people T-day evening and I still have a bunch of leftovers.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 04:20 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:15 PM (L2ZTs)
You're probably right. Through history mayonnaise was known as the "condiment of the Aryans."
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 01, 2019 04:20 PM (XVuno)
editor wants a column on it; numerous places in nearby Little Saigon and
elsewhere for it, of course)
I'd be interested in a good source of the slider buns they use.
Posted by: pep at December 01, 2019 04:20 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:21 PM (4QNIP)
My editor is kinda/sorta forcing me out of my comfort zone and asking me to try new things. For instance, I admit I'd probably never go somewhere like Harry's Place, it seems to much like a greasy spoon to me... yet it has incredible reviews online and has been in Garden Grove for ages, so they must be doing something right.
Also, and given I live in an area with a lot of Asian-Americans, there's tons of those options, and not just the usual suspects either. He wants me to try banh mi sandwiches and pho, for starters. It's gonna be an interesting 2020. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:21 PM (L2ZTs)
No leftover cranberries and stuffing and green bean casserole in my fridge. Oh and after last year, I told DiL "No pie." (We had 7 different desserts for only 5 people. We do not need that kind of excess.)
Never again will I mount a full on Thanksgiving feast. We had a lot more fun sitting around the table BS'ing for a couple hours after dinner than we would have with all the dealing with food to put away and dishes to wash.
Posted by: cfo mom at December 01, 2019 04:21 PM (RfzVr)
Posted by: Wil B. Force at December 01, 2019 04:22 PM (H5knJ)
I'm going to make a turkey carcass soup tomorrow,
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:15 PM (4QNIP)
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This sounds like a good Christmas dinner to make! I'd like to try a coffee and brown sugar glazed ham.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:22 PM (Dc2NZ)
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I never put any type of protein in the microwave.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:15 PM
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Us neither.
Posted by: No-Nuke-Nut Novemberists at December 01, 2019 04:22 PM (RVcmP)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 01, 2019 04:22 PM (438dO)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:21 PM (4QNIP)
I must have 10-12 quarts of it!
We'll have some tonight. I'll take some to my MIL. I'll take some to a niece and nephew and I'll freeze some.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 04:23 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Vancouver Geoff at December 01, 2019 04:23 PM (o9UFo)
Now I have to get the house decorated for Christmas.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:23 PM (4QNIP)
There's a small chain of fast food places in Orange County, and I think they have some locations elsewhere as well, called Lee's Sandwiches. They specialize in banh mi and other "Asian-style" cuisine.
I think I'll be trying them soon. I'd also like to try Zankou Chicken someday, although I don't think it'll be relevant to the column; my editor wants me to keep all my work focused on the local Westminster/Garden Grove area.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:24 PM (L2ZTs)
The Locusts came through late Thursday night and did a number on the pie, although there was some, not much, left for Friday's breakfast.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 04:25 PM (/669Q)
And this year...I'd managed to secure my wife and her sisters a supply of smoked turkey legs, which are not really my thing but they REALLY love them. And my BIL did a pot roast. So there wasn't anything really resembling a whole turkey in sight, nor was there much in the way of leftovers.
So, while the company was fine, the food was kinda meh. I need to get myself some mad turkey skillz.
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:25 PM (8erNz)
Posted by: IrishEi at December 01, 2019 04:25 PM (sGotD)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 01, 2019 04:25 PM (7rVsF)
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 04:25 PM (MVjcR)
Today I made homemade pizza with chocolate peanut butter chex mix. The house has that gorgeous baking bread smell, everyone was happy NOT to eat turkey today, delicious though it is, and the Ravens won with a 49 yard field goal by Justin Tucker in the last three seconds.
My heart is full.
Posted by: Moki at December 01, 2019 04:26 PM (mFoNl)
Think of Arby's, but really REALLY high-end:
https://www.lawrysonline.com/carvery-costa-mesa/
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:26 PM (L2ZTs)
When it wasn't called "Satan's semen."
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 04:26 PM (xkSJa)
He wet brined it for 2 days I think he said.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 04:26 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:27 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: pep..........
The interwebs say Banh Mi is made on small baguettes.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 01, 2019 04:27 PM (438dO)
I understand but there's definitely a recipe on youtube somewhere.
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:27 PM (8erNz)
Eventually they're going to tell us that it's been too Westernized, but yeah, my experience is slices from a soft french baguette.
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:28 PM (8erNz)
My editor mentioned that, that a lot of Vietnamese cuisine has been influenced by... who else? The French.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:28 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:29 PM (L2ZTs)
I'm curious because the day before Thanksgiving I kept getting "ferocious" wind warnings from my weather app warning that we should be prepared for power outages on Thanksgiving. I had a brief moment of panic where I wondered if I should try to roast my turkeys on Wednesday and then reheat them (on the grill, I guess) if the power went out on Thursday.
I didn't do it, and the power stayed on, but it made me curious to know how it all works.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 04:29 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:21 PM (4QNIP)
But after that, I'm betting the vacation is over.
Posted by: The Chicken at December 01, 2019 04:30 PM (XVuno)
"I'd rather smell French bread for a decade than Chinese dumplings for a century" - Ho Chi Munch
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:31 PM (8erNz)
Try this: https://preview.tinyurl.com/rpvjyfw
Been doing it this way for a few years now, no complaints yet.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 04:31 PM (xkSJa)
I took a whole duck I was going to roast and cut it up into serving pieces instead. I made a casserole type dish in the end. A "poor man's" or "peasant" cassoulet which I thoroughly enjoyed over traditional cassoulet. This version was more like bean with bacon layers with duck pieces sandwiched in between. It was delicious. Tabasco added some heat to the beans.
I made a lovely warm side/salad. Asparagus, Red Pepper and Spinach Salad with Sherry Vinegar and Goat Cheese. So delicious as a meal on its own.
I splashed some orange liqueur and orange zest this year in my fresh cranberry sauce to accent the duck.
For dessert I went with a classic apple pie and tossed in a cup or so of fresh cranberries and topped with some whipped cream and a Hamlet Chocola's Crispy Thin - Belgian Milk Chocolate Salted Caramel thins.
It was enough food. And I made 3 quarts of duck stock from the carcass. Bonus.
No stuffing, which is our favorite normally, so I promised hubby I would make it this weekend. We had it today for lunch (and will have it again for dinner!) Haha.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 04:32 PM (vEIlU)
I wouldn't have minded their overstating the impact, at least in your area, because when I was in MD if a twig snapped or a dog farted the power went out.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:32 PM (Dc2NZ)
Speaking of food...
Senile old fool nibbles on his wife's finger at a campaign stop...while she was speaking to the crowd.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 04:32 PM (ockrg)
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:32 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 04:29 PM (/669Q)
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Butterball actually sells whole, fully cooked turkeys and they have the reheating directions on their website:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/uk63gdu
Posted by: IrishEi at December 01, 2019 04:33 PM (sGotD)
The turkey was completely cooked, and in one piece. Mr. Moki heated up the turkey in a 350 degree oven for about an hour, and it was very, very good. Wegman's pies are really good as well. Mr. Moki said the pecan was just as good as mine. That was the wrong answer.
Anyway, if there is any reason for you not to prepare your own bird, getting a prepared meal from the grocery store is not a bad move.
Posted by: Moki at December 01, 2019 04:33 PM (mFoNl)
Betcha leftover turkey would work well as the chicken!
Posted by: Kathy at December 01, 2019 04:33 PM (q7uEm)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:33 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 04:34 PM (ockrg)
Today would've been the day to put up the outdoor Christmas lights but the weather is not cooperating. Icy, rainy, nasty.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at December 01, 2019 04:34 PM (COzlW)
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 04:34 PM (Dhht7)
Posted by: Muad'dib at December 01, 2019 04:34 PM (uDh3k)
We are the same at our home. I cannot handle a lot of sugary sweet. It makes my skin crawl.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 04:34 PM (vEIlU)
Been doing it this way for a few years now, no complaints yet.
Will bookmark, thanks, not sure when I'll have opportunity.
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:35 PM (8erNz)
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 04:35 PM (vSb78)
Posted by: Muad'dib at December 01, 2019 04:35 PM (uDh3k)
(Why yes, I was one of those kids who didn't like their food touching.)
Posted by: cfo mom at December 01, 2019 04:36 PM (RfzVr)
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:32 PM (Dc2NZ)
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It was a little disconcerting, because we usually don't get such warnings unless there's a big weather event, like a hurricane, to go along with them. I don't know what they were thinking, exactly - prepare people for the worst, so they can't say they weren't warned? - but it did induce a bit of anxiety for about 30 seconds.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 04:36 PM (/669Q)
And because ladyfingers are delicious.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:36 PM (Dc2NZ)
The French had to have colonies somewhere and the British got to all the good ones first. Hence, Vietnam and Algeria.
The French influence is still very visible in Hanoi, not so much in HCM City today.
Posted by: The Chicken at December 01, 2019 04:36 PM (XVuno)
Posted by: MSNBC at December 01, 2019 04:38 PM (H5knJ)
Posted by: Muad'dib at December 01, 2019 04:34 PM (uDh3k)
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Thank you, bro. I was just ignoring him, as usual.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 04:38 PM (/669Q)
The French influence is still very visible in Hanoi, not so much in HCM City today.
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The German influence in Qingdao (Tsingtao) was, of course, beer.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:38 PM (Dc2NZ)
So, Chicken Marsala with bacon bit, cauliflower 'rice' with bacon as a side and green beans with bacon for supper.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 04:39 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 04:39 PM (/669Q)
My editor is kinda/sorta forcing me out of my comfort zone and asking me to try new things. For instance, I admit I'd probably never go somewhere like Harry's Place, it seems to much like a greasy spoon to me... yet it has incredible reviews online and has been in Garden Grove for ages, so they must be doing something right.
Also, and given I live in an area with a lot of Asian-Americans, there's tons of those options, and not just the usual suspects either. He wants me to try banh mi sandwiches and pho, for starters. It's gonna be an interesting 2020. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:21 PM (L2ZTs)
You are going to have a great year!
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:39 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 04:03 PM (ZCEU2)
Me, too. Basically all day.
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 04:39 PM (vSb78)
Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 04:39 PM (Y4EXg)
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I'm sensing a theme here.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 04:39 PM (/669Q)
hehe
I don't get it. It's one of the easiest things to make.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 04:40 PM (vEIlU)
Gustavo Arellano makes jokes about how much traditional Mexi music sounds like German folk music.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:40 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:40 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: t-bird at December 01, 2019 04:41 PM (Ry8mf)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 04:41 PM (ZCEU2)
The French influence is still very visible in Hanoi, not so much in HCM City today.
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The German influence in Qingdao (Tsingtao) was, of course, beer.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:38 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Speaking of Germans and French, Strasbourg which is on the French/German border, is home to one of the largest mosques in the world. In a nutshell tells you what the future of those 2 countries (and W. Europe in general) holds.
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 01, 2019 04:41 PM (XSosy)
Did a 3 pound butt last night. Made a fresh basil/herb pesto + stone ground mustard rub and baked it with root veggie panzanella style bake with all the juices dripping onto the veggies... 70 minutes to 130 degree rare then rest, slice, sear off to medium for momma... SO GOOD...
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at December 01, 2019 04:42 PM (m4x2V)
I've done this before. Slice turkey up Wed. Put in pan smother with chicken broth cover with foil and put in frig. Reheat Thurs in oven covered. Moistest turkey you'll ever eat.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 04:42 PM (Dhht7)
Posted by: Muad'dib at December 01, 2019 04:43 PM (uDh3k)
Posted by: Moki at December 01, 2019 04:43 PM (mFoNl)
I was veeeerry skeptical. I reheated the 12 lb. bird as instructed for 1 1/2 hours. Sadly, you don't get the roasting turkey aroma filling the house, but it was amazingly moist and tender. Everyone loved it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:43 PM (4QNIP)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:21 PM
You can burn off at least half a column ruminating on the correct pronunciation of pho.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at December 01, 2019 04:44 PM (DMUuz)
The French influence is still very visible in Hanoi, not so much in HCM City today.
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The German influence in Qingdao (Tsingtao) was, of course, beer.
Have not been to Vietnam. Will probably do so in the next couple years but the foreign site I'm likely to visit next is NYC where I've also never been. Spent far more time overseas than in east-of-the-Mississippi US.
Remember Shanghai was the foreign hangout back in the day and the riverfront still looks a certain amount like it did back in the '30s.
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:44 PM (8erNz)
Guess it's hamburgers, should have got fries with that
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 04:44 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 01, 2019 04:45 PM (n4y+3)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 01, 2019 04:45 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:45 PM (L2ZTs)
I'd like to try that, but just have some questions.
Do you put paper towels both on the bottom and top? How long do you cook it and when do you flip the bacon?
And what's the difference using a microwave?
Just curious.
Posted by: HH at December 01, 2019 04:10 PM (mIJBI)
I only bake my bacon now. I'm usually baking a full package on a very large pan that I line with the Heavy Duty Foil. No paper towels and clean up is a breeze.
I do mine at 400 degrees for about 15 minutes or so, depending on the thickness but you have to watch.
You can flip them halfway through or not. I flip them when I use the thick-cut bacon, but don't bother with the thin cuts. Center rack.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Moki at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (mFoNl)
Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (G546f)
128 Bluebell, for the first time ever, I bought a cooked, shrink-wrapped turkey from Publix. A girlfriend suggested it, because of my injured paw.
I was veeeerry skeptical. I reheated the 12 lb. bird as instructed for 1 1/2 hours. Sadly, you don't get the roasting turkey aroma filling the house, but it was amazingly moist and tender. Everyone loved it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:43 PM (4QNIP)
One year, my son and his wife had the entire meal made by Dorothy Lane, a specialty food store. It was delicious except for the mashed potatoes, which were terrible.
How on earth can you ruin mashed potatoes?
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (TdMsT)
Tell him you just heard about a place that does a pho and American barbecue fusion. When he asks the name tell him "Pho Q!" (Real name, not the real menu, and nowhere near you.)
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (xkSJa)
'Fuh' works as a first approximation. We don't need to discuss what happens when a line forms to order it.
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (8erNz)
Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (G546f)
My husband ate all the leftover cranberry sauce. I could kick his ass.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 01, 2019 04:16 PM (dUJdY)
This made me laugh and laugh and laugh.
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (vSb78)
Posted by: Heirloominati at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (+J//Q)
I want one of these. Now.
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 04:35 PM (vSb7
I've made this one several times. It also has caramel sauce you drizzle over it...
Rich Chocolate Pecan Pie
https://tinyurl.com/r3rtpx7
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:47 PM (4QNIP)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:47 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:12 PM (L2ZTs)
nice!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 04:47 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:47 PM (4QNIP)
Seafood gumbo is one of my most favorite things.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:48 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:48 PM (L2ZTs)
I love oysters
Posted by: loneranger at December 01, 2019 04:49 PM (8dVNa)
Well, Phuket is in fact a place in Thailand...
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:49 PM (8erNz)
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 04:49 PM (MVjcR)
Still, when you pronounce it, it comes out... differently...
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:50 PM (L2ZTs)
There is a small chain in the OC called... Phuket Thai. No joke.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:47 PM
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Phuket Thailand was the primo liberty port for a Westpac.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2019 04:50 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:49 PM (8erNz)
Been many, many times when we lived in Singapore. It's a fun place!
And it's pronounced Pooh ket.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 04:51 PM (cF8AT)
I'm surprised there isn't a place yet somewhere called Tran Ni Thai.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:51 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 04:48 PM (TdMsT)
Had that last week at a LSU game party. I still prefer chicken and sausage gumbo. Which we had the week before that. Next week it's red beans and rice, andouille sausage and boudain.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 01, 2019 04:51 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:51 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:51 PM (L2ZTs)
Over the years I've changed things up, and was always met with resistance by my men. So the old, traditional menu it is. It's a comfortable, familiar, once-a-year thing.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:51 PM (4QNIP)
Finished off the leftover chicken. Still have leftover ribs, steak and roast.
We have limited ourselves to one pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving and one for Christmas. Of course, they're from Costco, so they're 12" across.
Annoying thought. The day after Christmas, there won't be a drop of egg nog in the stores.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 01, 2019 04:51 PM (7rVsF)
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at December 01, 2019 04:52 PM (m4x2V)
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2019 04:50 PM
The primo? They don't have a song named after them.
Posted by: We're going to Po City, where it's two for one at December 01, 2019 04:52 PM (DMUuz)
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Years ago our skipper was on the watchfloor raving about this great burger place in Honolulu, Hamburger Mary's. We were stealth-snickering.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:53 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 04:53 PM (plu6+)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 04:53 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:53 PM (L2ZTs)
And it's pronounced Pooh ket.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 04:51 PM (cF8AT)Singapore's no slouch either. It's up there with Vancouver on the list of prettiest cities I've ever been to that I'd never ever ever live in.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 01, 2019 04:53 PM (t+qrx)
After days in the kitchen, I've earned it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:54 PM (4QNIP)
Maybe you can convince your boss to send you there. They expense your meals right?
Posted by: cfo mom at December 01, 2019 04:54 PM (RfzVr)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:53 PM (L2ZTs)
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Ha! He was a nice guy, just didn't pick up on cues.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:55 PM (Dc2NZ)
If you're hungry, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the Pho King.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 04:55 PM (xkSJa)
Posted by: zombie Frank at December 01, 2019 04:56 PM (DMUuz)
After days in the kitchen, I've earned it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:54 PM (4QNIP)
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There's a special dispensation when the sun sets so early.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 04:56 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:54 PM (4QNIP)
That 5 p.m. thing is more of a guideline than a rule anyway.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 01, 2019 04:56 PM (XVuno)
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 04:56 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 01, 2019 04:56 PM (f1Vqw)
Unfortunately I couldn't get it expensed because my bosses at the paper want me to keep everything very local, and they don't consider Costa Mesa local. We cover Garden Grove, Westminster, and other papers in our network cover Los Alamitos, Cypress, Anaheim, Buena Park Midway City and Stanton. (There IS a very nice steakhouse in Stanton, however, which is interesting given it's the poorest/most working-class city in the entire county.)
Also, those cities are considered 'north' Orange County; Costa Mesa is considered central OC.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:57 PM (L2ZTs)
Ah, Singapore, home of the Four Floors of Whores.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 01, 2019 04:57 PM (f1Vqw)
turkey - turkey sandwich
mashed potatoes - hash browns
joe biden - toast
Posted by: mjc at December 01, 2019 04:57 PM (Pg+x7)
I'm surprised there isn't a place yet somewhere called Tran Ni Thai.
Is Hamburger Mary's still a thing?
I grew up in SF, ate at the original half a dozen times a year, their Lahaina outpost was also a routine stop when my wife and I would end up on Maui.
It seems to have disappeared from the culture at this point.
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 04:57 PM (8erNz)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:58 PM (L2ZTs)
Whose dick was so long xe couldn't tuck it....
Xe said, feeling glumAs it bounced round Xe's bum
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 04:58 PM (xkSJa)
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at December 01, 2019 04:58 PM (DMUuz)
I don't know if their waitresses are all still drag queens though. I assume so but not sure.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:59 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 04:59 PM (Dhht7)
https://tinyurl.com/rzg73fw
It's comment #358 if the link doesn't take you right to it.
Since then she's told me the space museum she was wanting to use for his memorial is in the process of renovations and fundraising so she won't be able to have it there but she said she has some other ideas and will keep me posted.
She'd also to get a general number of how many people from here might like to go. So if you're interested let me know here or at moronettetami at gmail. It will be in Westminster, PA some time in January (at least that's her current plan).
She's also still trying to find a rescue for Reggie (Rick's cat) and wants to exhaust every single avenue before she makes the hard decision.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 04:59 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:54 PM (4QNIP)
Alan Jackson and Jimmy Buffet assured me it's 5 o'clock somewhere.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 01, 2019 04:59 PM (LpdKl)
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 01, 2019 04:59 PM (n4y+3)
Did a 3 pound butt last night. Made a fresh basil/herb pesto + stone ground mustard rub and baked it with root veggie panzanella style bake with all the juices dripping onto the veggies... 70 minutes to 130 degree rare then rest, slice, sear off to medium for momma... SO GOOD...
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at December 01, 2019 04:42 PM (m4x2V)
Your culinary skills and your nic seems somewhat inconsonant.
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 04:59 PM (vSb78)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:00 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 01, 2019 05:00 PM (eq+5M)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:54 PM
Do we really need to sing it?
Posted by: Alan Jackson & Jimmy Buffet at December 01, 2019 05:00 PM (DMUuz)
get out of there spending less than $18, which seems pricey to me.
That's because it is.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 05:01 PM (xkSJa)
Are they both decent burgers, sure. But I don't go out of my way for either one.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:02 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 01, 2019 05:02 PM (eq+5M)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
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*eyes clock*
I make it two bells in Savannah.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 05:03 PM (plu6+)
And you can take a day trip (by boat) to. . . Phi Phi Island (pronounced pee-pee). Absolutely gorgeous.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2019 05:04 PM (bDqIh)
Just no Popeye's. ;-D
Posted by: cfo mom at December 01, 2019 05:04 PM (RfzVr)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 04:03 PM (ZCEU2)
Me, too. Basically all day.
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 04:39 PM (vSb7
Hallmark movies on all day here. lol
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:05 PM (vEIlU)
Are they both decent burgers, sure. But I don't go out of my way for either one.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:02 PM (L2ZTs)
Five Guys - Meh and $$$$
In-N-Out is good if you eat it there. For some reason their fries turn to ice in 5 minutes if you get them to go.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 05:05 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 05:05 PM (Dhht7)
Just let me know when you'll be here and we'll work something out. Would love to see you! My email is QDPSJL at the gmail thingy.
Two really good independent places, both on Second Street in Belmont Shore, are Domenico's Pizza and Naples Rib Company. There's also Ritters SKC, my fave cajun place, if you don't mind taking a short jaunt down the 405 into Santa Ana. Fried okra, which they call the "devil's popcorn." :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:07 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 05:05 PM (Dhht7)
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Three birds, wow! You must have been cooking for quite a crowd. I've done two a number of times, usually for a combined total of about 30 pounds. That's enough for me, LOL.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:08 PM (/669Q)
You are young, so you don't really understand how is all works.
It is 5:00pm when you want a drink, not the other way around.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 05:08 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 05:08 PM (wYseH)
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Next you'll be singing "the weather is here, I wish you were beautiful."
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:09 PM (/669Q)
I enjoy Five Guys burgers more. It's just MORE. Everything is a little bigger, a little guiltier. And oh those fries.
That said, In-N-Out is a great simple burger. It's the difference between a '64 Cobra and a C7 Z06.
They're both great, take your pick.
Posted by: JEM at December 01, 2019 05:09 PM (8erNz)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:48 PM (L2ZTs)
The idea of using blackening seasoning (which I love and always have on hand) is a good idea. I will do something with it when grilling season starts up. Even a butter with blackening seasoning on corn might work, dunno. But I hadn't thought of using that seasoning mix as a flavor base.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:10 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 05:10 PM (ptqGC)
Besides having good old-fashioned barbecue, the place opened in 1983 and actually *looks like,* both inside and out, the Cheers bar.
No Norm or Cliff at the bar, though.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:10 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 01, 2019 05:05 PM (aS1PU)
I'm unable to finish a little burger and fries at Five Guys.
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 01, 2019 05:10 PM (eq+5M)
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 01, 2019 05:10 PM (n4y+3)
I want one of these. Now.
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 04:35 PM (vSb7
I've made this one several times. It also has caramel sauce you drizzle over it...
Rich Chocolate Pecan Pie
https://tinyurl.com/r3rtpx7
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (cF8AT)
Thank you for this. I have no baking skills, but other morons will!
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 05:11 PM (vSb78)
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 01, 2019 05:10 PM (eq+5M)
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That's because their small order of fries is about six whole potatoes!
Posted by: IrishEi at December 01, 2019 05:12 PM (sGotD)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:12 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 01, 2019 05:13 PM (n4y+3)
Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 05:14 PM (O/X1S)
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 01, 2019 05:10 PM
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The wife and I split the small fries at 5 guys and we still have some leftover.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2019 05:15 PM (JUOKG)
Luckily the pecan pie (evidence of your perfidy) is gone, otherwise I wouldn't talk to you!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 05:15 PM (wYseH)
Could the place you're thinking of, be on this list?
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurants-g32513-c26-Huntington_Beach_California.html
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:16 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Joe! Biden! at December 01, 2019 05:16 PM (oVJmc)
Wrong. You get the bird frozen. It's flash fried and heavily seasoned with cajun spices. Maybe injected but couldn't really see evidence of that.
It was ugly as can be coming out of bag after thawing. I cooked for about 2.5 hours. It was very good. Spice had fair amount heat, but only on skin. Family voted it could be repeated next if so inclined.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 05:16 PM (Dhht7)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 04:21 PM (L2ZTs)
I will make pho at home, often enough. Delicious. Easy. One dish meal.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:17 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 05:17 PM (ockrg)
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 01, 2019 05:10 PM (n4y+3)
I will keep this in mind...thank you! I don't know if he'd be able to make the trip to Denver. If he could, I would gladly send you a check for the $250 that's left in Rick's meal acct. He's a bit quirky and has some urinary problems (although those could be because of the upheaval he's experienced..)
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:17 PM (cF8AT)
That's what I've heard, that Popeyes turkey is tasty, but comes out of the oven looking gray and frankly unappetizing.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:18 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 01, 2019 05:18 PM (LpdKl)
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:19 PM (cF8AT)
We were in Atlanta and Doh travelled every week to Chicago.
At least once a month, sometimes twice, I'd host a big gathering at our house. If I made Italian, I baked olive bread or roasted garlic bread to accompany the dinner. Or I'd throw a cookout and do ribs and all the sides. I always made homemade desserts, too.
Those were great times. And I had the yuge DeKalb Farmers Market to buy anything in the world, including live blue crabs in a tank.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 05:19 PM (4QNIP)
https://tinyurl.com/utbwrto
I do it slightly differently - I mix in some olive oil with the seasonings to make a paste, and I add carrots (cut into thin sticks), chunks of onion, and sometimes cut up potatoes to the pan along with the pork (toss the veggies with a little olive oil first). And I cook it until about 140 - 145 degrees, then take it out and let it rest for 15-20 minutes before carving.
It always comes out really juicy, and the house smells divine. I made it last night, sans potatoes, and served with red cabbage and roasted sweet potatoes.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:19 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: m at December 01, 2019 05:11 PM (vSb7
Buy a deep dish pie shell. There rest is easy as can be.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:19 PM (cF8AT)
What does it cost to send a cat on a plane from Phil to Denver?
I mean, it doesn't have to fly first class, coach is fine.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 05:19 PM (ockrg)
I hope he's just sleeping under there and not peeing...
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:19 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 01, 2019 05:21 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:21 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 05:15 PM (wYseH)
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What perfidy? Did I give you the pecan pie recipe, or are you still mad at me because you can't make a decent pie crust? I can't keep up with your lamentations.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:21 PM (/669Q)
Oh right. Leo and Kira were siblings, I think. When Leo passed, Rick got Reggie.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 05:22 PM (ockrg)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 05:22 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:18
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Nope. Came out of oven looking picture perfect. Out of the bag was when it scary.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 05:22 PM (Dhht7)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:22 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:23 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 05:23 PM (O/X1S)
This is not good...oh, brb.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:24 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:24 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:21 PM (/669Q)
No...of course not. The pie was excellent!
You were supposed to come to my house and make the pie crusts, or at the very least send them to me.
Your drinking is interfering with my pie baking!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 05:25 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 05:22 PM (wYseH)
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I could, except there was no room in my fridge on Friday night due to two turkey carcasses in there. I have done it ahead of time the same day though, and it is quite good. But honestly, just doing it right before it goes in the oven is heavenly too.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:26 PM (/669Q)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYT1JmFWhGI
Wish I had more leftover turkey.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 05:27 PM (Dc2NZ)
For some reason, probably because it's really good and really easy, this
has become our go-to meal for the Saturday after Thanksgiving. It's a
roasted pork loin with garlic and rosemary, and it's unbelievably easy.
https://tinyurl.com/utbwrto
I do it slightly differently - I mix in some olive oil with the
seasonings to make a paste, and I add carrots (cut into thin sticks),
chunks of onion, and sometimes cut up potatoes to the pan along with the
pork (toss the veggies with a little olive oil first). And I cook it
until about 140 - 145 degrees, then take it out and let it rest for
15-20 minutes before carving.
It always comes out really juicy, and the house smells divine. I
made it last night, sans potatoes, and served with red cabbage and
roasted sweet potatoes.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:19 PM
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I might have to try that in the smoker. Won't take more than a hint of smoke with those high cooking temps but it should add an extra layer of flavor to it.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2019 05:27 PM (JUOKG)
Fresh baby spinach, goat cheese, cream and eggs will become a quiche tomorrow or Tuesday.
The duck stock is in the freezer for another day. Mostly for meat pies, like shepherd's or pot pies, and as flavor for casseroles. Would also be good for a Pho! Or a store bought tortellini, because, lazy.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:27 PM (vEIlU)
Have all ingredients cold
Handle as little as possible
Moisten with kitchen sprayer or laundry sprinkler
Don't be afraid to use enough water
Handle as little as possible
Always roll from the center out
Patching is encouraged
Stop handling it! Seriously, that's what makes those white streaks of gluten and a pie crust you could shingle a roof with.
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 05:28 PM (VKG+Z)
Although I did offer to help you over Skype, and also I'm pretty sure I gave you that pecan pie recipe a few years ago.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:29 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 05:29 PM (Dhht7)
- Romano Cucina (but they're in Sunset Beach proper)
- Massimo's Pizza
- Cucina Alessa
- The Original Mama D's Italian Kitchen (in Newport Beach proper)
My hunch is that you were at Cucina Alessa, they sound the most Italian, are in HB and right on the beach proper.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:29 PM (L2ZTs)
However, in September, we're going to have a reunion with my FL cousins (my mom's side) on a gorgeous Gulf beach on a FL island. We've reserved two big, lovely houses side by side. My younger male cousin was married on that beach a couple of years ago, and he and his wife just had their first baby.
Anyhow, I feel extremely nostalgic for Thanksgivings past with my parents and lots of family laughing and sharing food together.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 05:29 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at December 01, 2019 05:31 PM (xkSJa)
Have all ingredients cold
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No problem, Pillsbury crusts are refrigerated.
*giggles*
Seriously, any number of people have commented on how nice our pie crusts are. Have I mentioned that I'm lazy?
Posted by: Poppin' Fresh at December 01, 2019 05:31 PM (plu6+)
Posted by: t-bird at December 01, 2019 05:32 PM (Ry8mf)
Very tempted to just pull out my deep fryer and let 'er rip, and worry about cleanup later in the week.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:32 PM (L2ZTs)
This is not good...oh, brb.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:24 PM (cF8AT)
This has always been an issue I have, but this year, I even cut back on this. I didn't want to overeat.
I did have some olives stuffed with almonds, and some fig goat cheese type hors d'ouevres, and a few slices of a fresh rosemary foccaccia bread. But I did not make too much so no leftovers, thank goodness.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:32 PM (vEIlU)
https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/
turkey-tetrazzini-3646169
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 05:32 PM (Dhht7)
It's my downfall. I could eat appetizers for the rest of my life and die a happy camper.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:34 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: My life is insanity at December 01, 2019 05:34 PM (6HB0k)
Posted by: Jeremiah at December 01, 2019 05:35 PM (plu6+)
When a recipe calls for kosher salt, what exactly is it about that ingredient that warrants it being used? I've used it myself, but I've been puzzled as to why the specificity.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 05:35 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 05:29 PM (ptqGC)
It's hard for me too because all of my family live too far away.
My brother had a large dinner, but that was only the East coast. The West coast and middle country folks were scattered. It was sad. We have a huge family but we are all so far apart. It kills me.
Luckily we have a huge reunion in Charleston this coming year. Should be dozens of family members. Will be fun.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:36 PM (vEIlU)
Miley and I got our Cracker Barrel turnip greens clone down pat. 2 lbs of greens with turnip chunks, and a whole 10 oz pack of country ham, and about a teaspoon of liquid smoke.
It's damn good.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 01, 2019 05:36 PM (f1Vqw)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:32 PM (L2ZTs)
Stop eating out, start making any of the 30 or 40 recipes the Morons mention each Food Thread, and you will always have money in your pocket and good leftovers in the refrigerator!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 05:37 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:37 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:34 PM (cF8AT)
I really do know what you mean. We prefer "meals" made of appetizers!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:37 PM (vEIlU)
I've used Victorinox kitchen knives for several years and they are my favorites. Much better than the usual Wustoff and similar.
Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2019 05:37 PM (bmdz3)
I also have cioppino mix in the freezer I could go ahed and make. Sounds good.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:38 PM (L2ZTs)
When a recipe calls for kosher salt, what exactly is it about that ingredient that warrants it being used? I've used it myself, but I've been puzzled as to why the specificity.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 05:35 PM (pNxlR)
It's a course-grain salt. Good for making a salt like crusts on meats. Also good for glass rims for Margaritas.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:38 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:34 PM (cF8AT)
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Me too. I'd rather have appetizers than dessert, and that's saying something.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:39 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:39 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
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A man has to make a living.
Posted by: A Mashgiach at December 01, 2019 05:39 PM (plu6+)
When I do make a turkey and have leftovers, Tetrazzini is the one thing I always make out of it. I love it. And it freezes well.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:39 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: DaveA at December 01, 2019 05:40 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: qdpsteve
Spicy pickled okra is to die for, but okra in soups like gumbo or seafood stew is also totally awesome.
My mom used to make us fried okra and fried tomatoes plates as snacks - with a spicy remoulade dip - out of this world.
Posted by: Boswell at December 01, 2019 05:40 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:40 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2019 05:40 PM (WI7YS)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 05:35 PM (pNxlR)
It's not iodized, so perhaps that is an advantage, although I cannot imagine that the small amount of iodine makes any difference.
Certainly for texture on finished foods it is preferable, but aside from that? Price? It sure is cheap!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2019 05:40 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:40 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 05:35 PM (pNxlR)
It's not iodized, so it has a more pure flavor. Plus it's coarse, so it measures differently from finer salt.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 01, 2019 05:40 PM (t+qrx)
Kosher salt isn't really kosher, and it's an American marketing term:
https://forward.com/food/173045/
the-curious-history-of-kosher-salt/
Remove line feed. Coarse grained salt was used to get the blood out of meat, to "kosher it", and American salt companies starting using the term to mean coarse grained salt.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 01, 2019 05:41 PM (f1Vqw)
Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2019 05:41 PM (bmdz3)
They're amazingly good. The only reason I make mine from scratch is that it took me forty years to get it right and I'm going to show off my hard-earned skill.
Thinking back over those years, there were a lot of unappealing crusts but I don't remember ever throwing a piece of pie away.
I like "Food Wishes" but that questioning rise in Chef John's voice drives me nuts.
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 05:41 PM (VKG+Z)
Posted by: publius
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So, in the olden days when they packed beef into barrels for shipping, I'm assuming they used the 'kosher' salt?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 05:42 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: DaveA at December 01, 2019 05:42 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2019 05:41 PM (bmdz3)
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Good for you! Although I'll fight you about Wusthoff.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:42 PM (/669Q)
Brunswick Stew
2― pounds diced cooked chicken, turkey, and ham, with broth
3 medium diced potatoes
2 medium ripe crushed tomatoes
2 medium diced onions
3 cups corn kernels
1― cups frozen baby lima beans
2 carrots, diced
4 strips crumbled cooked bacon
4 tablespoons butter
salt and pepper
fresh tomato juice
In large stock pot or Dutch oven, mix all ingredients until bubbly and hot. Add salt and pepper to taste. Add tomato juice as desired. Cook until all vegetables are tender and stew has thickened. Serve hot with flaky biscuits or corn bread.
Posted by: Oggi at December 01, 2019 05:43 PM (Bk5Q+)
Anyhoo, we spent Thanksgiving with our chosen family and unfortunately, for the first time it was a total bust. Nothing was particularly good.
So, I got a turkey on sale for .99 a pound, spatchcocked it, brined it and am now smoking it. I will make cornbread dressing with smoked sausage and invite little's gf and have our own TG. Older ratched boy is amazing. He's put up
With my moods and keeps giving hugs. We went to the local rivalry football game on Friday and had a great time.
Having beans and rice for dinner tonight. Beans cooked in stock from the ham bone (also dry as sawdust). Some rice and hot sauce and a tart green salad and we're good.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 01, 2019 05:43 PM (PkVlr)
Posted by: qdpsteve
If reviewing restaurants is your profession then I am quite envious - when you think of professions we all would love to have, I think I would kill to be a restaurant or bar critic...
Posted by: Boswell at December 01, 2019 05:44 PM (32YRo)
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I've watched butchers at slaughterhouses. It's remarkable to watch them whip a steel out of it's holster and quickly stroke a fresh edge on, without really paying any attention to the process. Zip, zip, zip, zip, zip, zip, zip, done.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 05:44 PM (plu6+)
That's where corned beef came from. The large kernels of salt were called "corns".
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 01, 2019 05:45 PM (f1Vqw)
260 I've used this recipe for Turkey Tetrazzini from Emeril. It was very good sans the potato chips. Easy to freeze, too.
https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/
turkey-tetrazzini-3646169
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 05:32 PM (Dhht7)
Ugh, a creamed ingredients' casserole topped by potato chips. That brings back bad memories of the tuna casserole my mother made for us as kids. Not a one of the four of us young'uns liked it, so we'd begrudgingly eat some of the upper layer of baked, mushy potato chips. This led me to a decades' long aversion to tuna casserole until a neighbor introduced us to her recipe -- which I had placed in "The Deplorable's Cookbook" -- that converted me to become a huge fan of that dish.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 05:45 PM (pNxlR)
Chin up. He'll be home soon! {{hug}}.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 05:45 PM (ptqGC)
Did you cook it with mashed potatoes? If not you could boil some potatoes and cut up the rutabaga and boil that and mash it together. Mashed potatoes and rutabaga-which is a tradition in my husband's family-tastes better to now that just mashed potatoes but we only have it that way once a year.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2019 05:46 PM (WI7YS)
When I first added the water, I thought I had used too much. But when I started rolling it out, all of a sudden it seemed a little dry. I got it rolled out ~okay~ and then when I went to roll it back onto the rolling pin to put it in the pan, the wheels fell off.
It was a hot mess, broke into a ton of pieces. I patched it up in the pan the best I could, but it looked like something CBD had made.
My daughter had some (I wouldn't touch it because it was attached to pumpkin pie) and said it was a little chewy, but tasted fine.
Has anyone else ever used that KA flour before?
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:47 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:47 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Jane D'oh
This. If grandson hadn't driven from Denver, it would only have been 3 of us. I remember 20+ in day bygone.
Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 05:48 PM (O/X1S)
I know this in my head. But my heart still hopes to hear his voice.
I'll be fine. It's a growing experience for all of us, I guess.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at December 01, 2019 05:49 PM (PkVlr)
I suppose you could mash it with potatoes for a sort of colcannon. Add lots of butter and some chopped green onions.
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 05:49 PM (VKG+Z)
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 05:49 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Infidel
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That was my experience also - nuclear family of 10 with grands and my aunt and her family next door.
This year just four of us.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 05:49 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 05:50 PM (O/X1S)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 05:50 PM (4QNIP)
I often resent the prices and limited stock with state run liqour stores but they got their Black Friday sale right.
Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2019 05:50 PM (bmdz3)
For my quiet little Thanksgiving I fixed a hamburger, but I also made deviled eggs and lime-ginger-cranberry sauce and pumpkin pie. I do know how to make a good pie crust.
Now I want to go bake some bacon...
Posted by: skywch at December 01, 2019 05:50 PM (IWvy/)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 05:51 PM (ZCEU2)
Over the years I've changed things up, and was always met with resistance by my men. So the old, traditional menu it is. It's a comfortable, familiar, once-a-year thing.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 01, 2019 04:51 PM (4QNIP)
I've never had a true southern Thanksgiving. I imagine it's fabulous.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 05:51 PM (TdMsT)
https://tinyurl.com/r3rtpx7
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 04:46 PM (cF8AT)
My recipe uses:
german sweet chocolate
butter
and some instant coffee (which I love because it adds depth)
the light corn syrup
eggs
vanilla
and the pecans (I always use a lot of pecans, and I do toast them a bit to bring out the flavor)
I choose whipped cream as a topping for this.
This is the pie I have made most of my life for the holidays. Especially Thanksgiving. And the one I will bring to a holiday dinner if asked to bring a dessert. Goes first! It's like a brownie. yum
My pie crusts are a combination of unsweetened butter and the (real) pork pure lard. I mix in some sugar if it's a sweet.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:51 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:51 PM (/669Q)
Today I'm eating soup and salad. Gotta stick to the straight and narrow, at least for now. I feel like I put 5 pounds in 3 days.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at December 01, 2019 05:51 PM (d6Ksn)
It's more of a joke than a side dish. Most of the rutabaga eaters in our family have passed. Dad used to insist on having it just to give us kids grief.
May salvage some of the vast excess of mashed potatoes that Mom isn't happy with.
Posted by: DaveA at December 01, 2019 05:52 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 05:45
Yeah, I know. That's why I mentioned sans chips. Although, wife used to make a chile-cheese casserole with Frito's for the kids that I liked.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 05:52 PM (Dhht7)
Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 05:53 PM (O/X1S)
Now I want to go bake some bacon...
Posted by: skywch at December 01, 2019 05:50 PM (IWvy/)
Sounds delicious. The problem with Thanksgiving is which pie? Pumpkin, apple, pecan, chocolate pecan, etc. I missed the pumpkin pie but will make one over the winter to satisfy the craving for it.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:54 PM (vEIlU)
I love mashed rutabagas (aka swedes), but they set my innards to work conjuring up the foulest of farts. I want me out of the room -- they're that bad.
Mom used to make them when she'd bake a whole ham and then make gravy from the drippings. It was salty as all get out but, man, it was superb for mashed rutabagas!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 05:54 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:55 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at December 01, 2019 05:51 PM (d6Ksn)
yep, tomorrow back to yogurt
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:55 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: My life is insanity at December 01, 2019 05:34 PM (6HB0k)
Are you allowed to share the recipe? Or is it a family secret?
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 05:56 PM (87gB3)
Posted by: DaveA at December 01, 2019 05:42 PM (FhXTo)
hehe, that is my favorite veggie over the holidays
It doesn't last long.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 05:56 PM (vEIlU)
I didn't do Turkey for Thanksgiving but bought a bone in turkey breast for left overs. and now am making my first attempt a turkey soup.
I slapped a lot of garlic, onion, mushrooms and rice in it. Taste test in a little while.
Dogs loved the fried turkey skin.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 05:57 PM (dmiLK)
Hi bluebell,
I used Wustoff for years until I read about the Victorinox ones and tried one. They are much less expensive, come sharper stay sharper, and, important for us, the grips are comfortable for Mrs. JTB.
But no fighting. I'm a gentleman and you have shivs. :-)
Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2019 05:57 PM (bmdz3)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2019 05:57 PM (WI7YS)
We had only six over for Thanksgiving and now I cannot put off any longer dealing with stripping the meat off of the turkey carcass. To work I go.
BTW, thanks to one and all who offered explanations of what kosher salt was and its original purpose. Much appreciated!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 01, 2019 05:58 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: mindful webworker - accept no imitations at December 01, 2019 05:58 PM (aNSOb)
Posted by: Disgruntled Vietnamese Waiter Handling Your Noodle Soup Where You Can't See It at December 01, 2019 05:59 PM (t5m5e)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 01, 2019 05:59 PM (nGRtn)
319 I really want a piece of pecan pie, but I have none.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:55 PM (/669Q)
I've never really liked pecan pie, but this year my daughter created her own recipe and it was the best pie I've ever eaten (sans crust, for me). She used 2.5 times the amount of pecans and added a little maple syrup. OMG.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 05:59 PM (TdMsT)
Dogs loved the fried turkey skin.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 05:57 PM (dmiLK)
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Did you watch that Chef John video that Eris linked above? At one point he says "and if you're wondering if I took the skin off that turkey thigh and wrapped it around some stuffing and ate it, the answer is yes, I did." Made me laugh.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 05:59 PM (/669Q)
Well I can't help you there. The rutabaga is always the first thing to go at our family dinners. Never a morsel left.
Posted by: cfo mom at December 01, 2019 05:59 PM (RfzVr)
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 06:00 PM (VKG+Z)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:40 PM (L2ZTs)
This is my guide to choosing a good restaurant. Not kidding.
I review the menu online, and pay close attention to the appetizers and starters.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 06:00 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: Infidel
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How I remember it:
https://tinyurl.com/ya7o4yk5
I mightily envy those who have a lot of family members around.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:00 PM (plu6+)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2019 05:57 PM (WI7YS)
Are you gluten free as well, Fenelon?
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:00 PM (TdMsT)
If they're little dogs I'll fight them for the skin. That's my favorite.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 06:01 PM (Dhht7)
Ate the pumpkin FILLING also. Would have done it to the apple too but it had lattice crust.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 06:01 PM (cF8AT)
Dogs loved the fried turkey skin.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 05:57 PM (dmiLK)
Bet they did, Ben Had!
I had bacon and eggs tonight, and spared a moment to pine for the deep fried bacon at the Mome. NOTHING comes close to that!
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:02 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 01, 2019 05:40 PM (L2ZTs)
This is my guide to choosing a good restaurant. Not kidding.
I review the menu online, and pay close attention to the appetizers and starters.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 01, 2019 06:00 PM (vEIlU)
Very often I order appetizer(s) for an entree.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 06:02 PM (cF8AT)
That makes me weep. Happiness for your dogs, but disappointment that I wasn't there to say "Not so fast pooches."
Posted by: cfo mom at December 01, 2019 06:03 PM (RfzVr)
https://tinyurl.com/ya7o4yk5
I mightily envy those who have a lot of family members around.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:00 PM (plu6+)
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I have a magnet with that picture on my fridge, and I use that picture as the background for my computer around Thanksgiving. Love it.
You folks who don't have as much family around could always invite another family to come have Thanksgiving with you. Of the 19 we had, our immediate family was 7, plus my two parents, and my nephew to make 10. The other 9 were all friends who couldn't be with their immediate families.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 06:03 PM (/669Q)
When brining, pickling, or fermenting, the type of salt you use will make a difference.
Table salts are apt to contain anti-caking ingredients which reduce/prevent clumping when exposed to moisture. This anti-caking additive does not dissolve, so it creates a cloudy solution when used in brines.
Table salts containing iodine will darken pickles and inhibit bacterial fermentation when making sauerkraut.
Posted by: Kathy at December 01, 2019 06:03 PM (q7uEm)
But the four pies, two pumpkin, two chocolate pecan, were not the greatest of successes. Crust failures on all. So, we had pie filling for dessert - pumpkin pudding.
We brought home muchos leftovers, including much pie.
Here's a test --While unpacking the leftovers, one whole pecan pie gets dropped on the floor. Is it
A ] the pie in the tin pie plate, or
B ] the one in Gramma's glass pie plate?
Hint: Shattered. Not a recoverable bite.
Well, at least the crust wasn't that great, anyway.
Posted by: mindful webworker - accept no imitations at December 01, 2019 06:03 PM (aNSOb)
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:00 PM (TdMsT)
I don't have celiac disease-and some people on here pooh-pooh these that have a problem with gluten but don't have celiac disease- but if I eat it spend way too much in the bathroom and almost immediately and I have joint and muscle pain so I try to avoid it. TMI, I know.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2019 06:04 PM (WI7YS)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:05 PM (dmiLK)
Tami, I was going to say use chopped pecans so he couldn't pick'em out. But if he's eating the pumpkin filling, too, maybe put lattice tops on all your pies.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 06:06 PM (Dhht7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2019 06:04 PM (WI7YS)
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Fen, one of my daughters has to avoid it too, but she doesn't have celiac either. It really makes her eczema flare up. She gets it especially bad on her eyelids. She finds it best just to avoid it altogether.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 06:07 PM (/669Q)
I've seen guys like that and other kitchen artists with their knives like Jacques Pepin and envy their skills. I have to settle for slower and less flashy.
Like one of my favorite quotes from an older black powder shooter: I may be slow but I got direction.
Posted by: JTB at December 01, 2019 06:07 PM (bmdz3)
Fen, one of my daughters has to avoid it too, but she doesn't have celiac either. It really makes her eczema flare up. She gets it especially bad on her eyelids. She finds it best just to avoid it altogether.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 06:07 PM (/669Q)
It gives me inflammation and adversely affects my thyroid. I've been gluten free going on 8years.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:09 PM (TdMsT)
We'd have to rent a stadium to have his whole family. He's the oldest of 7, his mom has 35 grandchildren and about 25 ish great-grandchildren.
Fortunately, not everyone gets along and they live all over the country.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 06:10 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Kathy at December 01, 2019 06:10 PM (q7uEm)
I am sorry that your daughter has these problems
It also depresses my mood, as weird as that may sound. There was a woman I knew who had celiac who had to go to the hospital it was so bad if she had even a bite unexpectedly, so I'm grateful I don't have that conditoion but it's not worth the side effects.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2019 06:12 PM (WI7YS)
Posted by: kalisto at December 01, 2019 06:12 PM (0Ng0w)
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 01, 2019 06:06 PM (Dhht7)
I'll tell Sam's.
I was doing too much else to make the desserts.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 06:12 PM (cF8AT)
Mmmmmmighty good.
The semi-sweet was good. The dark chocolate, alas, I can't say - it was the one on the shattered glass plate.
Posted by: mindful webworker - accept no imitations at December 01, 2019 06:12 PM (aNSOb)
We'd have to rent a stadium to have his whole family. He's the oldest of 7, his mom has 35 grandchildren and about 25 ish great-grandchildren.
Fortunately, not everyone gets along and they live all over the country.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 06:10 PM (cF8AT)
There were 12-at Thanksgiving this year--the smallest number in all my life. Until I was 35, there were about 40 every Thanksgiving. So many are departed now.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:12 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: kalisto
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I'm feeling faint - I need to lie down.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 06:13 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 05:56 PM (87gB3)
No secret! Grandma loved sharing her baked goods.
1 c shortening
2 c flour
1 tsp salt
Cut the shortening into the flour like you would for any pie crust.
Beat an egg with enough milk to make 1/2 cup.
Sprinkle egg/milk mixture 1 Tbsp at a time onto flour/shortening mixture. Depends on the brand flour you use as to how much liquid you need. Also, believe it or not, the humidity in the kitchen. I usually need abt 4 Tbsp. The dough should just come away from the sides of the bowl. I mix this by hand also.
It makes a two crust pie, sometimes with enough liquid left over to make a second batch of dough. (Which you can freeze or make another pie!) Otherwise i toss the extra into scrambled eggs or use it for an egg wash on the crust, or whatever else i'd use an egg for.
I have a porcelain topped table that is always cool so i roll the crust on the floured table. You can roll between floured waxed paper, too.
Posted by: My life is insanity at December 01, 2019 06:14 PM (6HB0k)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2019 06:16 PM (NWiLs)
Christmas was always 125+.
Most all are gone now so I have adopted a new Family.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:16 PM (dmiLK)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:16 PM (dmiLK)
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Lucky us!
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 06:16 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 06:17 PM (ZCEU2)
I am now more educated and impressed. Sounds like it would be great on kalisto's sandwich.
Posted by: skywch at December 01, 2019 06:17 PM (IWvy/)
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 06:17 PM (0Ng0w)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:18 PM (dmiLK)
Christmas was always 125+.
Most all are gone now so I have adopted a new Family.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:16 PM (dmiLK)
We are honored, Ben Had.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:18 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 06:00 PM (VKG+Z)
My mom, no gourmet cook, always crumbled potato chips on top of her tuna casserole. (no sherry though). We all loved it.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at December 01, 2019 06:18 PM (d6Ksn)
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 06:20 PM (cF8AT)
I am now more educated and impressed. Sounds like it would be great on kalisto's sandwich.
Posted by: skywch
I had to look it up too.
I are smart now.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 01, 2019 06:22 PM (axyOa)
Thank you, My Life! I have copy-pasted it into my notes.
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:22 PM (87gB3)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:22 PM (dmiLK)
You folks who don't have as much family around could always invite another family to come have Thanksgiving with you.
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Well, I did the next best thing. Locally, we have an organization which operates what is called The Veteran Restoration Quarters. It houses around 240 veterans in a converted motel.
It's a large, well organized, and comprehensive operation, that includes training, drug/alcohol rehabilitation, counseling, job placement etc.
It also provides meals, three times a day. Thanksgiving and Christmas are special days, and the feast is spectacular. No one could possibly go away hungry, and it's all traditional fare, mounds of it.
Probably 80% vets are VN era, though some later. They are getting old. Some are just homeless, and we don't have the capacity for them. Frankly, it would be heartbreaking to see these guys, except, they are so damned grateful. I sometimes think that makes it even worse.
Spooning some stuffing onto the tray of a rough, tired, 70-something guy, and having him say 'Thank you sir' is about all I can stand.
Short vid, if you are interested in Vet's services.
https://tinyurl.com/y5eykhqz
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:23 PM (plu6+)
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at December 01, 2019 06:24 PM (Dc2NZ)
Short vid, if you are interested in Vet's services.
https://tinyurl.com/y5eykhqz
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:23 PM (plu6+)
I could weep reading this.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:24 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 06:25 PM (0Ng0w)
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:25 PM (87gB3)
Eating crackers with butter on them.
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:25 PM (87gB3)
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Hi Emmie!
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:26 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:26 PM (87gB3)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:27 PM (dmiLK)
Well, Prince Chuckles is going to strip the royal family down to just him and his line after he becomes King, and likely before, effectively:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7743661
The rumor is that Lizzie is going to "retire" from public life when she hits 95. Chuckles will become an effective prince regent.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 01, 2019 06:27 PM (f1Vqw)
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:27 PM (87gB3)
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:28 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Infidel at December 01, 2019 06:28 PM (O/X1S)
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:27 PM (87gB3)
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Sure am!!
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:28 PM (MVjcR)
I said f*ck it and cooked anyway. I bought a bone-in turkey breast and made sausage cornbread stuffing.
I coated the turkey in 5 spice powder and sesame oil and roasted it and added bok choy, water chestnuts and Szechuan pepper to the cornbread dressing and cooked it off.
Instead of making a plate, I cooled it down and made croquettes of cornbread dressing wrapped around turkey meat, wrapped them in egg roll wrappers and deep fried them.
I took whole berry cranberry sauce out of a can, combined it with orange juice, soy sauce, more peppercorns, coconut sugar, grated ginger and garlic and cooked it down and hit it with an immersion blender and smoothed it out and made it into a dipping sauce for the egg rolls.
It was pretty freaking good. Kinda like a combination of a southern TG dinner and the default Chinese meal you are resigned to when TG meal gets cancelled.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2019 06:28 PM (CQPWi)
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:22 PM (87gB3)
You're welcome!
Posted by: My life is insanity at December 01, 2019 06:29 PM (6HB0k)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 01, 2019 05:21 PM (yQpMk)
For you, Grump.
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/ 312/546/9546312.jpeg
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 01, 2019 06:29 PM (Au/5M)
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:28 PM (MVjcR)
Things could get rather heated.
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:30 PM (87gB3)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 01, 2019 06:31 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:28 PM (MVjcR)
Things could get rather heated.
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:30 PM (87gB3)
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I'm sure they will. Factions will form! Factions!
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:31 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 06:32 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 06:32 PM (0Ng0w)
Wait! Wait! I remember this one!
♪
Meeska Mosaka Mousketeer
Mascarpone time now is here
Posted by: mindful webworker - accept no imitations at December 01, 2019 06:33 PM (aNSOb)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:33 PM (dmiLK)
It was pretty freaking good. Kinda like a combination of a southern TG dinner and the default Chinese meal you are resigned to when TG meal gets cancelled.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2019 06:28 PM (CQPWi)
That sounds incredible.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:33 PM (TdMsT)
https://tinyurl.com/y5eykhqz
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:23 PM (plu6+)
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Mike, what a wonderful organization! That seems to be a very fine way to spend your Thanksgiving, or any day, really. I like their motto: "Serving One Another, in the Name of Christ."
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 06:33 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:22 PM (dmiLK)
LOL! No kidding!
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 06:34 PM (cF8AT)
Philistines !
Recurve or compound for the win.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 01, 2019 06:34 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 06:34 PM (VKG+Z)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 06:35 PM (ZCEU2)
Yes, gnocchi is all about the fingers!
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:35 PM (dmiLK)
Recurve or compound for the win.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 01, 2019 06:34 PM (lD3vL)
It's started already and the controversial topic hasn't even been introduced yet!
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2019 06:36 PM (87gB3)
Looking it up elsewhere is easy but if I learned what it was here I proved reading this blog makes you more intelligent.
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 06:37 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 06:38 PM (0Ng0w)
401 But Weasel are you ready for the fire extinguisher/ narwhal debate?
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 06:35 PM (ZCEU2)
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Hell yeah!
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:38 PM (MVjcR)
Short vid, if you are interested in Vet's services.
https://tinyurl.com/y5eykhqz
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:23 PM (plu6+)
Sounds like a wonderful place! Thank you for doing that...that's special.
Posted by: Tami at December 01, 2019 06:39 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:39 PM (plu6+)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 06:39 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:39 PM (plu6+)
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"Us" as in, well, us?
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:40 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:39 PM (plu6+)
Are you serious?
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:40 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 01, 2019 06:41 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 06:43 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:39 PM (plu6+)
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Are you kidding me? You guys are providing a wonderful, much-needed service with an 80% "graduation" rate and those jerks are calling you a "hate group?" Pure evil. That's all I can say.
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 06:43 PM (/669Q)
Well, I just looked and it's not that easy to just put a cat on a plane unless you're flying with.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 01, 2019 06:43 PM (ockrg)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 01, 2019 06:44 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 06:34 PM (VKG+Z)
Should find out tomorrow or Tuesday.
Prayers, please!
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at December 01, 2019 06:44 PM (d6Ksn)
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 06:43 PM (/669Q)
When I learned tha CFA was matching donations to the SPLC, that was the last and final straw.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:45 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: Skip at December 01, 2019 06:45 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 06:45 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:39 PM (plu6+)
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"Us" as in, well, us?
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:40 PM (MVjcR)
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Oh. I see what you're saying now. Got my hopes up there for a minute.
Posted by: Weasel at December 01, 2019 06:45 PM (MVjcR)
tonite. Here's what I can tell u re: gnocchi from my family's region:
combine riced potatoes and flour, make a well, crack the egg in the
middle like for regular pasta..,(cont.)
: work the ingredients into moldable mound. Cut thick slices off the
dough as if ur cutting bread. Roll each slice into a long slender rope
about the circumference of penne, maybe a little thicker. Slice all the
way down the 'snake', creating a gnocco with each cut. Cut on the
diagonal! (cont)
you have to create a little cave in each dumpling to catch the sauce I
guess. Some people use tines of a fork, we just used our finger. Now
they're ready for the boiling salted water. Drain, serve with red sauce.
These are not the fat pillowy gnocchi that most people know. They're
mountaineer gnocchi.
all in one poast naow.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 01, 2019 06:46 PM (PkW5Q)
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 06:34 PM (VKG+Z)
Should find out tomorrow or Tuesday.
Prayers, please!
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at December 01, 2019 06:44 PM (d6Ksn)
I sent one up right now.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 01, 2019 06:46 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: bluebell at December 01, 2019 06:47 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 06:47 PM (0Ng0w)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:48 PM (dmiLK)
couple of local activists have tried to have us listed with the SPLC as
a 'hate group'? Because, Christians.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 01, 2019 06:39 PM (plu6+)---
i'm waiting for that to happen here in #Failifornia with the churches that try to help the vagrants...
i figure it's only a matter of time.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 01, 2019 06:48 PM (PkW5Q)
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 06:48 PM (VKG+Z)
i'm thinking of stopping by 4chan and suggesting they start a campaign to say that regulations and campaigns to remove trans-fats from foods are transphobic.
for the Lulz
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 01, 2019 06:49 PM (PkW5Q)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:50 PM (dmiLK)
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 06:50 PM (VKG+Z)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:52 PM (dmiLK)
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at December 01, 2019 06:52 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: davidt at December 01, 2019 06:53 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: Plebian at December 01, 2019 06:53 PM (VKG+Z)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 01, 2019 06:53 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Tonypete at December 01, 2019 06:54 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: freaked at December 01, 2019 06:55 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 01, 2019 06:56 PM (n4y+3)
Posted by: davidt at December 01, 2019 06:57 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 01, 2019 06:58 PM (dmiLK)
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at December 01, 2019 07:02 PM (d6Ksn)
Why is no one cheering?
Posted by: creeper at December 01, 2019 07:06 PM (VKG+Z)
Anyone have any No Malarkey recipes?
Posted by: joke biden at December 01, 2019 07:08 PM (ockrg)
Incidentally, the sammich shop up here in Newton used to offer, year round, the MILES STANDISH sammich.
It was, of course, a turkey, stuffing, and cran sauce sam.
Posted by: joke biden at December 01, 2019 07:10 PM (ockrg)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 01, 2019 07:13 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: vivi at December 01, 2019 07:17 PM (11H2y)
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 01, 2019 07:21 PM (n4y+3)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 01, 2019 07:21 PM (PUmDY)
The die is cast: they are lost to us "normals."
Posted by: vivi at December 01, 2019 07:22 PM (11H2y)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 01, 2019 07:22 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2019 07:35 PM (Ox1Xf)
PaleRider, shipping the cat as airline cargo is simply not feasible for the reasons you mentioned.
However, if one flies with the cat then the cat can be stowed under the seat, as I understand it.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at December 01, 2019 07:43 PM (ockrg)
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