Presidential Thanksgiving Proclamations [KT]

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Have you thought about starting a tradition of reading a Presidential Thanksgiving Proclamation on Thanksgiving? This is a really American holiday, and we don't have a lot of rituals that remind us that we are a nation. Dennis Prager usually reads one on the radio on Thanksgiving, about the time people on the West Coast are cooking. J.J. Sefton included one from George Washington at the end of his Morning Report this morning.

President Trump has delivered the 2019 Proclamation. It starts:

On Thanksgiving Day, we remember with reverence and gratitude the bountiful blessings afforded to us by our Creator, and we recommit to sharing in a spirit of thanksgiving and generosity with our friends, neighbors, and families.

Nearly four centuries ago, determined individuals with a hopeful vision of a more prosperous life and an abundance of opportunities made a pilgrimage to a distant land. These Pilgrims embarked on their journey across the Atlantic at great personal risk, facing unforeseen trials and tribulations, and unforetold hardships during their passage. After their arrival in the New World, a harsh and deadly winter took the lives of nearly half their population. Those who survived remained unwavering in their faith and foresight of a future rich with liberty and freedom, enduring every impediment as they established one of our Nation's first settlements. Through God's divine providence, a meaningful relationship was forged with the Wampanoag Tribe, and through their unwavering resolve and resilience, the Pilgrims enjoyed a bountiful harvest the following year. The celebration of this harvest lasted 3 days and saw Pilgrims and Wampanoag seated together at the table of friendship and unity. That first Thanksgiving provided an enduring symbol of gratitude that is uniquely sewn into the fabric of our American spirit.

More than 150 years later, it was in this same spirit of unity that President George Washington declared a National Day of Thanksgiving following the Revolutionary War and the ratification of our Constitution. Less than a century later, that hard-won unity came under duress as the United States was engaged in a civil war that threatened the very existence of our Republic. Following the Battle of Gettysburg in 1863, in an effort to unite the country and acknowledge "the gracious gifts of the Most High God," President Abraham Lincoln asked the American people to come together and "set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a Day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the heavens." Today, this tradition continues with millions of Americans gathering each year to give their thanks for the same blessings of liberty for which so many brave patriots have laid down their lives to defend during the Revolutionary War and in the years since.

Daniel Horowitz writes about one of the proclamations by Coolidge, who wrote some proclamations worth reading aloud.

In 1924, President Calvin Coolidge noted in his annual Thanksgiving message, "An abundant prosperity has overspread the land." He exhorted the nation to use the abundance to please the giver of that bounty and to lift our spiritual state to equal our physical one. "We shall do well to accept all these favors and bounties with a becoming humility, and dedicate them to the service of the righteous cause of the Giver of all good and perfect gifts," wrote the quiet and humble 30th president. "As the nation has prospered let all the people show that they are worthy to prosper by rededicating America to the service of God and man."

As we stand here today, nearly a century later, nobody would wish to live in that era, which Coolidge later referred to as one of "comfort" where "wealth is almost incalculable." Most people didn't even have the full bathroom amenities of hot piped water, a bathtub, shower, or a flush toilet in their homes, yet they were happy with their state of being. Why? Because as Coolidge observed in his 1928 Thanksgiving proclamation, the spiritual wealth of the nation grew commensurate with its physical wealth:

Our fields have been abundantly productive; our industries have flourished; our commerce has increased; wages have been lucrative, and comfort and contentment have followed the undisturbed pursuit of honest toil. As we have prospered in material things, so have we also grown and expanded in things spiritual. Through divine inspiration we have enlarged our charities and our missions; we have been imbued with high ideals which have operated for the benefit of the world and the promotion of the brotherhood of man through peace and good will.

I don't think he was talking about charities controlled by the federal government there.

As the wise President Coolidge once said, "If at any time our rewards have seemed meager, we should find our justification for Thanksgiving by carefully comparing what we have with what we deserve."

My own theory is that societal rewards seem to work differently from personal rewards, which sometimes seem to go to undeserving people.

Hope you experience some blessings this Thanksgiving. Here's an old Shaker song.

And in case your are curious about Thanksgiving foods at the time of Lincoln, a little history from the link under the art at the top of the post, from culinarian Kathleen Wall:

Sarah Josepha Hale, editor of the popular women's magazine Godey's Lady's Book, , a real trendsetter for running a household, was a leading voice in establishing Thanksgiving as an annual event. Beginning in 1827, Hale petitioned 13 presidents, the last of whom was Abraham Lincoln. She pitched her idea to President Lincoln as a way to unite the country in the midst of the Civil War, and, in 1863, he made Thanksgiving a national holiday.

Throughout her campaign, Hale printed Thanksgiving recipes and menus in Godey's Lady's Book. She also published close to a dozen cookbooks. "She is really planting this idea in the heads of lots of women that this is something they should want to do," says Wall. "So when there finally is a national day of Thanksgiving, there is a whole body of women who are ready for it, who know what to do because she told them. A lot of the food that we think of--roast turkey with sage dressing, creamed onions, mashed turnips, even some of the mashed potato dishes, which were kind of exotic then.

I have never had creamed onions for Thanksgiving. Have you?


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1 Nice

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 08:52 AM (cqNba)

2 No...no creamed onions here.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 08:53 AM (cqNba)

3 >>I have never had creamed onions for Thanksgiving. Have you?

Of course.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2019 08:55 AM (ZLI7S)

4 OK....I nooded.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 08:55 AM (cqNba)

5 Venus is in the ascendant, so pick up your stripper game! Be careful,
though, Orion is looking to poke some holes in your condoms.

Posted by: Hunter Biden Horoscopes at November 28, 2019 08:55 AM (cfSRQ)

6 In the spirit of clemency, Zod pardons Maryland drivers.

Until Monday.

Posted by: Zod at November 28, 2019 08:56 AM (XzT/D)

7 Willowed:

Just about time to start-


THANKSGIVING: The Cookening!


This year the main event will be a double-header-

Prime Rib with Yorkshire Pudding

and a first time try (There is no try only do! Yes, Chef Yoda.) at yummy yummy-

Porchetta!

And I'm tempted to accompany the Porchetta with a naturalfake original-

Porkshire Pudding!

Since Prochetta is a roast meat throwing off a lot of delightful drippings...just like Prime Rib.

Should work.

Maybe use herbs in the Porkshire Pudding.

Hmmmm.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2019 08:56 AM (kauXV)

8 A phenomenal business opportunity will arrive at your doorstep. Don't
think about it, do it! Sign whatever dad shoves in your face, and
celebrate with wine, women and meth!

Posted by: Hunter Biden Horoscopes at November 28, 2019 08:56 AM (cfSRQ)

9 I prefer creamed ficus.

Posted by: Harvey Swinestein at November 28, 2019 08:56 AM (Tnijr)

10 The death of a loved one will leave you feeling aimless and empty. Fill that void by nailing the widow and knocking up a stripper. Also, do lots of drugs.

Posted by: Hunter Biden Horoscopes at November 28, 2019 08:57 AM (cfSRQ)

11 I hope I never get what I deserve.

Posted by: BignJames at November 28, 2019 08:58 AM (X/Pw5)

12 Here's a funny (and true!) column today by Coulter:

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2019/11/

27/thanksgiving-for-dummies--sorry-i-mean-college-professors-n2557177/

Enjoy!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2019 08:58 AM (kauXV)

13 The War on Thanksgiving is Critical Theory in action-- 'if I can find ONE flaw in a thing, it is automatically refuted and destroyed and unclean.'

Funny how this never, ever applies to communism, socialism, leftism, the Democrat Party, etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 28, 2019 08:59 AM (+Xwtq)

14 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 28, 2019 09:00 AM (arJlL)

15 Washington and Trump. My favorite presidents by far.

Posted by: CMU VET at November 28, 2019 09:00 AM (C+wjz)

16 Imagine if Hunter Biden were named Donald J Trump Jr.

Though really you have to admire the chutzpah of people who just 6 months ago were subpoenaing Ivankas phone records saying that Presidential children are off limits.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2019 09:00 AM (ZfRYq)

17 I much prefer creamed bunions, a proper British delicacy.

Posted by: Anna Navarro at November 28, 2019 09:00 AM (aJD1b)

18 Mrs. E and I will have Thanksgiving at Crackerbarrel or such. But first let me tell you about our venison maple sausage ground yesterday and fried this morning, all in the galley onboard OP Eromero. And no, maple syrup was not used in any way. Now to clean out the garage for Salvation Army.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 09:00 AM (UUkQp)

19
The death of a loved one will leave you feeling aimless and empty. Fill
that void by nailing the widow and knocking up a stripper. Also, do lots
of drugs.


Posted by: Hunter Biden Horoscopes at November 28, 2019 08:57 AM (cfSRQ)


Have any of the late night "comedians" made fun of Hunter the Wonder Natural Gas Consultant? Or is there no time for that with all of the OrangeManBad stuff

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2019 09:00 AM (FA+CS)

20 Where's the official Thanksgiving Tweet from PJDT?

By "George", it's there!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:00 AM (BiNEL)

21 Top 20?

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at November 28, 2019 09:01 AM (KPd8G)

22 Washington and Trump. My favorite presidents by far.

Posted by: CMU VET at November 28, 2019 09:00 AM (C+wjz)


And the most honest two as well!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:01 AM (BiNEL)

23 Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2019 09:02 AM (MVjcR)

24 British delicacy.....that's funny!....uh, ketchup?

Posted by: BignJames at November 28, 2019 09:02 AM (X/Pw5)

25 Any Thanksgiving message delivered on Twitter is not official. If the President wants me to have a Happy Thanksgiving he can deliver it in writing.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2019 09:02 AM (ZfRYq)

26 Now is a good time to relax. Be adventurous, try something new--consider a new role. You will be asked to avoid flinching. You will be surprised by the things money can buy!

Posted by: Hunter Biden Horoscopes at November 28, 2019 09:02 AM (XzT/D)

27 Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at November 28, 2019 09:01 AM (KPd8G)

>< this close!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:02 AM (BiNEL)

28 I've creamed just about anything on four legs or two

even creamed a City, so why not an onion ?

bring it

Posted by: Hunter Biden at November 28, 2019 09:03 AM (rpxSz)

29 An exhaustive search of that Intarwebz thingy returns bunches of creamed onion recipes. I'd never heard of that before today. Sounds yummy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 28, 2019 09:04 AM (HaL55)

30 Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2019 09:02 AM (MVjcR)


Same to you and yours. Methinks WD and Conor will be enjoying turkey scraps today!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:04 AM (BiNEL)

31 creamed onions? yes, made with pearl onions, though not partial to them.

Posted by: mjc at November 28, 2019 09:04 AM (Pg+x7)

32 Guess I should follow President Trump on Twitter

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (ZCEU2)

33 I am so pissed at Yo-Yo Ma for being a leftist stooge.

Because I love that recording.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (JwHjN)

34 A faction (me) has decided to go straight to open-face turkey sandwiches this year. it will still be piled with all the food items. why not be honest: the only purpose of the plated dinner is to get it out of the way for the 7pm sandwich. i'm just being honest here.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (iUjXP)

35 Eat Me!

Posted by: Cream of Onion Soup at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (vqIkG)

36 >>An exhaustive search of that Intarwebz thingy returns bunches of creamed onion recipes. I'd never heard of that before today. Sounds yummy.

Was a part of my Thanksgivings as long as I can remember. My grandmother was an incredible cook and she always had them on the table. Delicious.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (ZLI7S)

37 Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!!

Posted by: goatexchange at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (iUjXP)

38 And KT, thank you for the YoYo Ma and Alison Krauss! Dusty in here.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (UUkQp)

39 Mercury is in a volatile place, indicating that now is not a good time for urinalysis. See if you can reschedule it.

Posted by: Hunter Biden Horoscopes at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (cfSRQ)

40 On the other hand it can be coffee and pie time

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (ZCEU2)

41 I had Creamed Onions.

They're okay.

I think I prefer simple roast onions to creamed.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2019 09:06 AM (kauXV)

42 Mayor Pete is having Chinese. Cream of Sum Yung Gy.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 28, 2019 09:06 AM (JFO2v)

43 16 Imagine if Hunter Biden were named Donald J Trump Jr.

would devastate the buttplug industry

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2019 09:07 AM (rpxSz)

44 Wampanoag means "people of the first light" in the Wampanoag language, because they lived in eastern Massachusetts and on Cape Cod and thus saw the sunrise before the inlanders.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 09:07 AM (gd9RK)

45 Happy Thanksgiving, Goodfappers!

Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 28, 2019 09:08 AM (Dc2NZ)

46 As you all know, first prize is Creamed Brussel Sprouts. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is some good old creamed onions. Third prize is you're fired.

ACBS.......Always Creamed Brussel Sprouts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2019 09:08 AM (Z+IKu)

47 Turkey Drop

https://tinyurl.com/ttyhakc

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 28, 2019 09:08 AM (JFO2v)

48 i've been listening to james jamerson with gladys knight, marvin gaye, temptations, on motown songs stripped of everything save bass + voice. it's all you need. that yo yo ma cello and krause voice is just lovely.

Posted by: mjc at November 28, 2019 09:09 AM (Pg+x7)

49 Wampanoag means "people of the first light" in the Wampanoag language, because they lived in eastern Massachusetts and on Cape Cod and thus saw the sunrise before the inlanders.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 09:07 AM (gd9RK)



That makes them the Japanese (Land of the Rising Sun) of Aboriginal America.


Sometimes culture rhymes.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2019 09:09 AM (kauXV)

50 No, never had creamed onions. Maybe next year; too late to get them on the menu today.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 28, 2019 09:10 AM (JwHjN)

51 I make a pasta sauce of creamed roasted onions, red bell peppers and garlic.

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2019 09:10 AM (rpxSz)

52 Bander @ 44- Dang, I always though that word meant 'oyster'. The things one can learn here.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 09:10 AM (UUkQp)

53 Cream in your coffee?


No thanks, I comed on the bus.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:10 AM (cqNba)

54 Sometimes culture rhymes.


Yes. I hadn't thought of that but that's interesting.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 09:10 AM (gd9RK)

55


Squaw Liz: Picture showum, my people and pale faces eat my pow wow chow. It heap good and go with any firewater.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2019 09:11 AM (FA+CS)

56 why not be honest: the only purpose of the plated dinner is to get it out of the way for the 7pm sandwich. i'm just being honest here.
Posted by: goatexchange at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (iUjXP)
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This goatman speaks the truth. I'm already planning the curry, sammiches, pot pies, lasagna, and mulligatawny soup.

Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 28, 2019 09:11 AM (Dc2NZ)

57 the abundance of wildlife back in 1621 must have been something.

Posted by: mjc at November 28, 2019 09:12 AM (Pg+x7)

58 >>Bander @ 44- Dang, I always though that word meant 'oyster'. The things one can learn here.

Here's another Thanksgiving fun fact. The pilgrims did not set foot on Plymouth rock when they landed in Plymouth. They landed on Clark's Island in Plymouth Bay, named for the first mate of the Mayflower.

They were going to set up their settlement on Clark's but then decided a small island probably wasn't the best way to go and moved over to what would become the town of Plymouth.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2019 09:13 AM (ZLI7S)

59 creamed onions are great, along with creamed peas. But the creamed onions can be a PITA as you have to peel them first.


Posted by: Quint at November 28, 2019 09:14 AM (n13/j)

60 the abundance of wildlife back in 1621 must have been something.

Posted by: mjc at November 28, 2019 09:12 AM (Pg+x7)


I bet the clean water in the rivers and streams was quite amazing as well.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:14 AM (BiNEL)

61 So for the real question.

Turkey sandwiches...


White bread

Mayo or Miracle wip

Turkey

Salt/pepper

And SWEET pickle relish.


The things which heaven is made of.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:15 AM (cqNba)

62 the thanksgiving feast is one of the simplest meals. the most complex dish is the dressing. but otherwise, it's just time consuming.

Posted by: mjc at November 28, 2019 09:15 AM (Pg+x7)

63 And when I say white bread, I mean cheap ass white bread.

Like Wonder bread.


None of that fancy stuff.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:16 AM (cqNba)

64 59 creamed onions are great, along with creamed peas. But the creamed onions can be a PITA as you have to peel them first.


Posted by: Quint at November 28, 2019 09:14 AM (n13/j)

you give me a nice rock and I'll peel an onion for ya

the hard way

Posted by: Hunter Biden at November 28, 2019 09:16 AM (rpxSz)

65 The Pilgrims stole my childhood.

Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at November 28, 2019 09:16 AM (EgshT)

66 why not be honest: the only purpose of the plated dinner is to get it
out of the way for the 7pm sandwich. i'm just being honest here.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 28, 2019 09:05 AM (iUjXP)

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Lies and blasphemy!

The best part is the stuffing, ideally cooked inside the bird. All the else is mere details.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:16 AM (cfSRQ)

67 the abundance of wildlife back in 1621 must have been something.


The book "1491" had a theory which I am inclined to believe. You basically have two waves of Europeans visiting the New World. The first wave is the explorers generation starting around 1500, the second is the settlers starting around 1600.

The first wave noticed sparkling cities and abundant populations and also dropped a ton of diseases on them without knowing it. Then almost everyone died. The second wave came by and said the first wave must have been on drugs because where are all the cities and the people?

So the abundance of animals and fish was unnatural. There had been human predators but they were mort and for a brief period the animals' food chain was out of balance.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 09:17 AM (gd9RK)

68 Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at November 28, 2019 09:16 AM (EgshT)

One guess what we don't want to steal from ya.

Posted by: The Wikings at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (vqIkG)

69 My mom confessed to being anti-stuffing, so I will indulge at a later date when I cook my secondary (on sale) turkey.

Time to head over to the ancestral home. See you savages later.

Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (Dc2NZ)

70 Very, very thankful for Ace. Funniest blogger in the whole of the web universe, absolutely without peer!

Very, very thankful for Ace's co-bloggers, and the unique talents and takes that they all bring to this wonderful site.

Very, very thankful for the Moron Horde! Funniest, wittiest, most intelligent commenters on the internet, bar none. May God bless and keep all of you!

Very, very thankful for President Donald J. Trump, and the United States of America. Let Freedom Ring!

Very, very thankful for friends and family. Despite my lurking and infrequent posting, I consider y'all my family. I wish nothing but blessings for all of you.

Happy Thanksgiving, Morons!



Posted by: Sam Adams at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (VDbGO)

71 Like Wonder bread.


None of that fancy stuff.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:16 AM (cqNba)

Loved going to Dallas when I was a kid

and driving by Mrs Baird's bread plant on Mockingbird Lane

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (rpxSz)

72 Hrothgar, I remember reading somewhere that the Governor of what became Rhode Island said little children could walk out in the surf and pick up 10 lb lobsters.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (UUkQp)

73 Rev read part of Lincoln's Thanksgiving Day address before the start of the evening service last night.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 28, 2019 09:19 AM (lwiT4)

74 Looked at Powerline and there was a ad to help Bill Nye the fake science guy fight climate change. I try my best to keep the planet warm and not go into another ice age what more does he want from me?
I could start burning tires or something I guess

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 09:19 AM (ZCEU2)

75 Truth, VIA !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 28, 2019 09:19 AM (JwHjN)

76 A long, long time ago, in a land far, far away... I attended a Thanksgiving where something went very wrong with the stuffing. It was overcooked, very overcooked, and the celery bits were added late (as they were initially forgotten) so that they were still crispy crunchy. It was to be known as the infamous creamy-crunchy stuffing, and the texture was barf-inducing.

Posted by: Sir Mix-a-Lot at November 28, 2019 09:19 AM (aJD1b)

77 A very Happy Thanksgiving to all my friends in the ether.

Not a big fan of turkey but I'll eat it. But not today. Monster ribeye steaks instead.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:20 AM (Y4EXg)

78 74 Looked at Powerline and there was a ad to help Bill Nye the fake science guy fight climate change. I try my best to keep the planet warm and not go into another ice age what more does he want from me?
I could start burning tires or something I guess
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 09:19 AM (ZCEU2)

Start with one around Bills neck!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 28, 2019 09:21 AM (JFO2v)

79 "Hrothgar, I remember reading somewhere that the Governor of what became Rhode Island said little children could walk out in the surf and pick up 10 lb lobsters. "

During the War of Rebellion against the crown, I believe that prison ships in New England served prisoners lobster on a regular basis, instead of real and nourishing food.

Prisoners complained a lot about that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:21 AM (cqNba)

80 I wish I had wonder bread. We have to settle for week 2 for 1 loaves of Musty bread.

Posted by: Yorkshireman #2 at November 28, 2019 09:21 AM (vqIkG)

81 Clarification and Concept Development:

Here in the barnyard, 'turkey sandwich' is a complex term. in the immediate aftermath, the open-face version contains ALL the essential dinner components: bread, turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, parsnips, etc. And then, the following week, for work, we have the more portable variety: hand-held stripped down version, with the wheat/white choice, Miracle/Mayo, cheese or not.....

I hope this helps.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 28, 2019 09:22 AM (iUjXP)

82 Loved going to Dallas when I was a kid



and driving by Mrs Baird's bread plant on Mockingbird Lane

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (rpxSz)


Hunter Biden: I loved going to Dallas at the strip club...I mean that's not my kid!!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2019 09:22 AM (FA+CS)

83 PDJ mentioned our Creator in the first sentence of his proclamation. He goes on to draw attention to our spirit, hard work, and thankful nature.

How dare he!!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:23 AM (Y4EXg)

84 I'm thankful for the upcoming Senate trial. Hunter Biden will soon be the most famous man in the world.

DEMs are going to go off like Fat Man at Hiroshima, & America is going to have to look at what's on the end of the fork that the DEMs are feeding us.

I love, "Hunter did absolutely nothing wrong. That's a proven fact, & we won't do anything like that ever again."

Posted by: mnw at November 28, 2019 09:23 AM (Cssks)

85 During the War of Rebellion against the crown, I believe that prison ships in New England served prisoners lobster on a regular basis, instead of real and nourishing food.

Prisoners complained a lot about that.



In the early Pilgrim years one Pilgrim woman whined at her diary that they were so poor they had nothing to feed their guests but lobster.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 09:23 AM (gd9RK)

86 Regarding the "Millennials hate Thanksgiving" piece on the last thread, I'd like to point out, as someone born in the early 80s, that a survey of college students, some of whom are almost young enough to be my children had I married at the same age my parents did, is not necessarily representative of Millennials as a whole.

I like Thanksgiving quite a bit, and I'm pretty sure that most people my age feels the same, insofar as I've never heard any complaints in person from anyone my anyone my age over the years.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2019 09:23 AM (iTtBf)

87 I read once in the 90s that Texas had ten times the White Tailed
Deer as the entire nation had in 1920. Deer for example are a border
species. They thrive on a small woods with farmland or other types of
civilization nearby. When the nation was mostly forest, there were far
fewer deer. Maybe there was an abundance of other wildlife but my guess
is it is overstated.

The reason there is
so much wild game in this nation is hunters, and hunting licenses. The
other reason is the suburbs. Every try going squirrel hunting in the
woods? Now think of doing it int he 'burbs. In my experience, the
latter locale is more full of squirrels.

Posted by: Quint at November 28, 2019 09:23 AM (n13/j)

88 Happy Thanksgiving to all the Morons and Moronettes!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 28, 2019 09:23 AM (rJm6y)

89 Bander @ 67--

Who ate the first settlers, was it animals or cannibals, or giant ants with mandibles? Was the fleas in the blankies? GenAlt corn or powder horn?

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 09:24 AM (UUkQp)

90 And back to our nations formative years..


In the beginning, bars in Baltimore offered free crab, heavily seasoned with thirst inducing Old Bay seasoning in place of peanuts.

They were so plentiful that crab was cheaper than peanuts.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:24 AM (cqNba)

91 Hrothgar, I remember reading somewhere that the
Governor of what became Rhode Island said little children could walk out
in the surf and pick up 10 lb lobsters.


Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (UUkQp)

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I think there's a case to be made that many species of game are more abundant now than they were then, simply because agriculture increases the carrying capacity of the land for a lot of critters besides people.

The exception is the sea. There the more pristine the better, and whenever there has been a halt imposed on fishing, the marine population has soared.

Right after World War II, the fish stocks were enormous because U-boat activity forced a six-year pause in the trawling fleets.

When I was at the Deepwater Horizon Oil spill (my novel of which makes a great Christmas present, hint hint), I talked with a wildlife biologist about this.

At the time the media was insisting that the Gulf was going to be devoid of life for centuries, but this guy didn't buy any of it. The Gulf had seen hundreds of oil tankers sunk during WW II and tar balls washed ashore for years afterwards, without hurting the fish stocks.

He said he expected a moratorium to be in place for a while, and then surprisingly good catches afterwards.

He also said no one in the science community would ever say this out loud.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:24 AM (cfSRQ)

92 Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (rpxSz)

Mrs. Bairds had a bread bakery in Fort Worth when I was a kid. They had a side store where they sold the two day old stuff and their pies. I loved going there! I think its a Bimbo bakery now.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 28, 2019 09:24 AM (LpdKl)

93 Prisoners complained a lot about that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:21 AM (cqNba)


I thought there were prisoner riots over this (in Boston IIRC)!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:25 AM (BiNEL)

94 I adore old cookbooks, especially the ones from before WWI. A lot of them have additional "tricks" in them for cleaning leather, dying fabric, cleaning and freshening up straw hats, and other things that used to be a housewife's work.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2019 09:25 AM (1glZx)

95 Empirical evidence that chicks are not as funny as men: https://bit.ly/2L1RoHw

Also men are more brilliant and less mean and less rude. Happy T-Day wenches.

(Sure it is from children rating their professors but both are representative of the whole population, per climate science and Zogby.)

Posted by: motionview at November 28, 2019 09:26 AM (pYQR/)

96 "I thought there were prisoner riots over this (in Boston IIRC)!"

I believe you are correct!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:27 AM (cqNba)

97 When i was a west coast frog, it was common practice for team guys' freezers to be fully stocked with lobsters ('bugs') and abalone. i remember being at a teammate's house for dinner, and his kids complained, "Daaaad! NOT abalone and lobster AGAIN...!"

Posted by: goatexchange at November 28, 2019 09:27 AM (iUjXP)

98 He also said no one in the science community would ever say this out loud.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:24 AM (cfSRQ)


As a kid in the Chesapeake Bay and Outer Banks areas, we were always cleaning tar off our feet at the shore.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:27 AM (BiNEL)

99 I just spent way too much money.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 28, 2019 09:28 AM (dUJdY)

100 70 Posted by: Sam Adams at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (VDbGO)

Word. Couldn't say it better myself. Happy Thanksgiving, all.

KT, thank you for the music link. Beanscot always has lovely selections.

Posted by: April at November 28, 2019 09:29 AM (OX9vb)

101 91. a.h.lloyd "whenever there has been a halt imposed on fishing, the marine population has soared...'

i'd like to see a moratorium on ocean fishing for 5-10 years. the asians would never go along with it.

Posted by: mjc at November 28, 2019 09:30 AM (Pg+x7)

102 So the abundance of animals and fish was unnatural. There had been human predators but they were mort and for a brief period the animals' food chain was out of balance.

Another things is that among the Mississippian cultures that the initial explorers found, there was very little hunting being done. Archeology reveals a lot of protein-deficiency related diseases and an over-reliance on corn as a food sources (pellagra).

I hint as to why that might be, despite the availability of game nearby is the fact that they were all living being big communities defended by walls, and some grave sites shows 1/3 of the male remains and 1/4 of the female remains had traumatic injuries consistent with weapon strikes. Going hunting unless in large groups might have been a bit risky....

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2019 09:30 AM (iTtBf)

103 Also men are more brilliant and less mean and less rude. Happy T-Day wenches.



(Sure it is from children rating their professors but both are
representative of the whole population, per climate science and Zogby.)

Posted by: motionview at November 28, 2019 09:26 AM (pYQR/)

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This tracks closely with my experiences in college two decades ago.

I had a number of very witty, erudite and genuinely interesting male professors.

Almost all the female ones were shrill and unpleasant. In fact, I'm trying to think of a single one who had any kind of dignity or poise....

*pauses to think deeply*

Okay, there was one, but she was exceptional in that she was at least average. The rest were varying degrees of awful.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:31 AM (cfSRQ)

104 British prison ships ("the hulks") were a death sentence in everything but name, & both sides knew it, too.

The treatment of U.S. prisoners of war by the British forces fueled the rage that led to the almost-equally-cruel treatment of" the Convention Army", i.e., the thousands of pitiful British prisoners who surrendered at Saratoga.

This tit-for-tat was not a happy chapter in either country's history.

Posted by: mnw at November 28, 2019 09:31 AM (Cssks)

105
i've been listening to james jamerson with gladys knight, marvin gaye,
temptations, on motown songs stripped of everything save bass + voice.
it's all you need. that yo yo ma cello and krause voice is just lovely.


One can never have too much Jamerson and Motown.

I found the isolated tracks to a few of Yes's early tracks with Chris Squire and Bill Bruford. What a great rhythm section they were. Alan White was a poor replacement, IMO. He was a straight-up rock drummer who just never fit in with their brand of prog (or "classical-music-based" rock that wasn't based on our blues because English).

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 28, 2019 09:31 AM (HaL55)

106 "i'd like to see a moratorium on ocean fishing for 5-10 years. the asians would never go along with it."

We still have attack subs, right?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:31 AM (cqNba)

107 I just spent way too much money.
Posted by: Jewells45

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Bought hookers, blow and weapons?

Don't forget, the hookers have to be returned in good shape.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:32 AM (Y4EXg)

108 Good morning KT and happy Thanksgiving.

"I have never had creamed onions for Thanksgiving. Have you?"

They were a staple on our Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner tables when I was a kid. Loved them, especially plopped on top of whipped potatoes. About 60 years later they don't sit as well.

I have gone to simple roasted onions as a side dish. (Do not cut or wrap in foil or do anything to the onion. Just put it on a baking sheet at 375 for an hour. When done, cut of one end off and squeeze out the onion like roasted garlic cloves. This method brings out all the natural sweetness in the onion. Butter, salt and pepper to taste. Delish!)

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2019 09:32 AM (bmdz3)

109
And back to our nations formative years..





In the beginning, bars in Baltimore offered free crab, heavily
seasoned with thirst inducing Old Bay seasoning in place of peanuts.



They were so plentiful that crab was cheaper than peanuts.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 09:24 AM (cqNba)

The Natty Boh was cheaper than water.

Posted by: Quint at November 28, 2019 09:32 AM (n13/j)

110 Yes - one can never get too much J Jameson.

It had to be said.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 28, 2019 09:32 AM (iUjXP)

111 *grimace* *gnashes teeth* *grimace* *harrumph* *grimace* BAH!

Posted by: A Liberal at Thanksgiving at November 28, 2019 09:33 AM (EgshT)

112 Upon further review...

There was an actually good female prof, now that I think of it. And guess what she taught?

Art history.

I had her for a survey course of European history (200 level) and she used art as a means of discussing the historical events. Pretty cool.
I'm sure all that went away because White People Bad. She's probably retired by now, replaced with a blue-haired harridan.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:34 AM (cfSRQ)

113 I'll let it pass this time but from today on, all religious themed threads must be run by me beforehand. Thanks!

Mayor Pete

Posted by: Sanctimonious Sodomite at November 28, 2019 09:34 AM (hRgjY)

114 British ( and other nations ) use of old line of battle ships as prisons lasted through the Napoleonic wars.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 09:34 AM (ZCEU2)

115 >>i'd like to see a moratorium on ocean fishing for 5-10 years. the asians would never go along with it.

Why? There have been partial moratoriums and limits in place for various types of marine animals here in the northeast for years and they have been extremely successful in restoring the stocks.

One easy way to tell is the surge in sharks around here for the last few years. Besides if we had a full moratorium you would put a ton of people out of work.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2019 09:34 AM (ZLI7S)

116 Here's another slice of Thanksgiving menu history --

USS Arizona 1917 Thanksgiving meal menu (with links on the left to other old, US Navy Thanksgiving menus):

https://tinyurl.com/tmp6vdo

Posted by: Gref at November 28, 2019 09:35 AM (AMIL/)

117
Before the White Man came, Indian tribes spent a fair amount of time whaling on each other with clubs, edged weapons, arrows, and bizarre tortures of captured prisoners.

After the White Man came, the Indians spent a fair amount of time similarly whaling on the White Man.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 28, 2019 09:35 AM (t5m5e)

118 Mrs. Bairds had a bread bakery in Fort Worth when I
was a kid. They had a side store where they sold the two day old stuff
and their pies. I loved going there! I think its a Bimbo bakery now.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 28, 2019 09:24 AM (LpdKl)


A bakery run by bimbos. What's the address? Asking for a friend....

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2019 09:36 AM (MoSXx)

119 JJ Sefton has an article below about the missing women and children in our Native American Reservations and Eskimo Villages. Reportedly up to 5,000 per year. FIVE THOUSAND!

President Trump signed an order to investigate the problem.

I think PDT should demonstrate how serious he is by assigning every FBI and DOJ person in Washington DC to the investigation. Maybe even recall Comey, Mueller, McCabe and Stroczk too. They should be immediately transferred to the distant and remote reservations and villages to begin the investigations. They should remain there until every missing woman and child is accounted for, and the people responsible are convicted.

Think of the Chilluns! They deserve no less!

Try running your coup from a whaling village above the freaking Arctic Circle!!!

Posted by: rd at November 28, 2019 09:36 AM (+0uDE)

120 My father, a Brooklyn Irish boy, insisted on creamed onions every Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Mark Reardon at November 28, 2019 09:37 AM (6Ga8H)

121 [i/]After the White Man came, the Indians spent a fair amount of time similarly whaling on the White Man.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 28, 2019 09:35 AM (t5m5e)

Hence the name of Noble Savage!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:37 AM (BiNEL)

122 Mayor Buttaguy does love to make himself arbiter of Christianity

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 09:37 AM (ZCEU2)

123 23 ... Happy Thanksgiving, Weasel. Hope the day goes great/quietly for you and Weasel family.

Since this is an open thread: Are you familiar with the S and W M and P Bodyguard in 38 special? It is the Smith version of Ruger's LCR. Cabelas is having a sale on the Smith, $290 while the LCR is is about two hundred bucks more. I am tempted.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2019 09:38 AM (bmdz3)

124 Early 80's, I worked as a Kelly girl in the maintenance dept. of Mrs. Baird's cake plant in Ft. Worth, out on I-35 south. Loved the fresh, free pastries that came down to the break room from Quality control.

Posted by: skywch at November 28, 2019 09:39 AM (IWvy/)

125 Miracle whip

what barrels are full of

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2019 09:40 AM (rpxSz)

126 Happy and blessed Thanksgiving to all morons and ettes. Hope everyone has a great day.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 28, 2019 09:40 AM (KP5rU)

127 123 23 ... Happy Thanksgiving, Weasel. Hope the day goes great/quietly for you and Weasel family.

Since this is an open thread: Are you familiar with the S and W M and P Bodyguard in 38 special? It is the Smith version of Ruger's LCR. Cabelas is having a sale on the Smith, $290 while the LCR is is about two hundred bucks more. I am tempted.
Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2019 09:38 AM (bmdz3)
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Thanks JTB!
I don't have one but I've looked at them. $290 seems like a great price!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2019 09:40 AM (4AgQE)

128 Mayor Buttaguy does love to make himself arbiter of Christianity

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 09:37 AM (ZCEU2)


To be fair, not just anyone can decide theology properly!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:41 AM (BiNEL)

129 Illinois Sen. Martin Sandoval resigns from office while under investigation for possible bribery



This was the asshole who had the picture of someone shooting someone wearing a Trump mask.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2019 09:42 AM (MoSXx)

130 Good morning y'all.

Posted by: tbodie at November 28, 2019 09:43 AM (XpCzL)

131

I had blood work done a week ago, the results came back and my cholesterol is 149.

Doc says I'm disgustingly healthy for my age. A major thing to be thankful for, in addition to all the other benefits of living in this most exceptional country.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 28, 2019 09:43 AM (KATBx)

132 Before the White Man came, Indian tribes spent a
fair amount of time whaling on each other with clubs, edged weapons,
arrows, and bizarre tortures of captured prisoners.



After the White Man came, the Indians spent a fair amount of time similarly whaling on the White Man.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 28, 2019 09:35 AM (t5m5e)

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One of the things I really like about the 1990s Last of the Mohicans is the way it portrays the Indians. "Yeah, we'll ransom the officer, but burn the girl alive so we can all enjoy her suffering."

A direct ancestor of mine was captured in 1782 after leading an expedition against the Shawnee in Ohio. He was leading the rear guard and got cut off. He decided to surrender because the Indians in question were "civilized" and would ransom him back.

Instead, they traded him to an "uncivilized" tribe which burned him alive. And no, it wasn't as straightforward as what they did to witches. It was far more prolonged. I won't go into it, but the whole "make you beg for death" thing totally applied.

So yeah, it was dirty fighting back then.

Fun fact: The surviving tribes still hate each other's guts. They know how it was, and what they did to each other.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:43 AM (cfSRQ)

133 Had a female English professor who was quite good: pleasant, intelligent, taught Shakespeare in a straight-forward manner. She was from Lithuania. Making eye contact with her was a sexual experience.

Posted by: French Jeton at November 28, 2019 09:43 AM (AfXYF)

134 Nice gourd.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 28, 2019 09:44 AM (XVuno)

135 Well, the deck is deiced and the snow is cleared from the work table. Gotta drain the wood chips and pull the bird from the brine. Gotta check the cigars too. Currently 17 so Im gonna need a travel mug of coffe...its gonna be a chilly watch.I

At least I have you guys to entertain me!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 28, 2019 09:44 AM (LpdKl)

136 Nice gourd.

Why, thank you.

Posted by: Adam Schitt at November 28, 2019 09:45 AM (EgshT)

137 117 Before the White Man came, Indian tribes spent a fair amount of time whaling on each other with clubs, edged weapons, arrows, and bizarre tortures of captured prisoners.

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And harpoons. Don't forget the harpoons.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 28, 2019 09:45 AM (XVuno)

138 To be fair, not just anyone can decide theology properly!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 09:41 AM (BiNEL)

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If you torture scripture long enough, it will confess to anything.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:46 AM (cfSRQ)

139 Instead, they traded him to an "uncivilized" tribe which burned him alive. And no, it wasn't as straightforward as what they did to witches. It was far more prolonged. I won't go into it, but the whole "make you beg for death" thing totally applied.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

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Much of my reading of such things suggests that if done 'properly' the burning would take a day or two. As you said - wish for death.

But I voted for PDT - I'M the barbarian.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:46 AM (Y4EXg)

140 Gref @ 116- Dang bro, you were on the Arizona in 1917?

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 09:46 AM (UUkQp)

141 Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2019 09:38 AM (bmdz3)

I have Rugers and S&Ws....not these models....I'd go w/S&W.

Posted by: BignJames at November 28, 2019 09:47 AM (X/Pw5)

142 Creamed onions.

My mom always made them at Thanksgiving and Christmas. The must be made with the tiny pear onions!

I miss her scalloped oysters and oyster dressing, too.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 09:47 AM (TdMsT)

143 My mom always made them at Thanksgiving and Christmas. The must be made with the tiny pear onions!

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Ladyl - HT! Do you mean 'pearl' onions?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:48 AM (Y4EXg)

144
Mrs. Bairds had a bread bakery in Fort Worth when I was a kid. They had a side store where they sold the two day old stuff and their pies. I loved going there! I think its a Bimbo bakery now.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 28, 2019 09:24 AM

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Most big commercial bakeries have a store attached to the bakery where they sell the overstocked product. The delivery trucks return with the unsold products and they are sold for 1/3-1/2 of full price. So you might not get what you want, because it wasn't overstocked.

Hostess had one on Winetka Ave in Minneapolis. it rarely had Hostess Cupcakes and never had Snowballs, but always had stuff I hated like Honey Buns.

Posted by: rd at November 28, 2019 09:49 AM (+0uDE)

145 Much of my reading of such things suggests that if
done 'properly' the burning would take a day or two. As you said - wish
for death.



But I voted for PDT - I'M the barbarian.



Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:46 AM (Y4EXg)

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You had people living in places where almost pure copper and iron were literally - and I use that word correctly - *lying there on the ground* and they never thought of heating it up and making something useful out of it.

The best they came up with was pounding it into shape with another rock.

Then Europeans show up and what's the big trade good, the thing they all really really want?

Axe heads. Not for wood, but for each other.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:49 AM (cfSRQ)

146 Nice artistic rendition of an early celebrity roast. They used to stick an Indian on the dais because they told funny jokes and brought lots of cigars.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 28, 2019 09:49 AM (XVuno)

147 136 Nice gourd.


Is this the VIP room ?

Posted by: Hunter Biden at November 28, 2019 09:50 AM (rpxSz)

148 143 My mom always made them at Thanksgiving and Christmas. The must be made with the tiny pear onions!

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Ladyl - HT! Do you mean 'pearl' onions?
Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:48 AM (Y4EXg)


Yes! Can you tell I'm multi-tasking?

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 09:51 AM (TdMsT)

149 Yes! Can you tell I'm multi-tasking?

Posted by: Ladyl
________

I'm not even uni-tasking yet.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 28, 2019 09:52 AM (+OfZZ)

150 Yes! Can you tell I'm multi-tasking?
Posted by: Ladyl

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I just thought you might be frugal with your letters this morning.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:52 AM (Y4EXg)

151 OK Hordelings, it's time to roust B'Gal and do a little bit of cooking (actually just warming up a couple of dishes in the oven to take to the real cook in the fambly, DIL #2).

Happy Thanksgiving to you all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 28, 2019 09:52 AM (HaL55)

152
147 136 Nice gourd.


Is this the VIP room ?
Posted by: Hunter Biden at November 28, 2019 09:50 AM (rpxSz)

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Hummmmmmmmm

Posted by: Nice Gourd (tm) at November 28, 2019 09:53 AM (t5m5e)

153 Yes, creamed onions are gross

This was a staple at Mrs Franpsycho's family's Thanksgiving many years ago when we were first dating.

For such sophisticated eaters, her family completely screwed up Thanksgiving. Dry turkey, salty gravy, undercooked beans, and those onions.
Just awful.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 28, 2019 09:54 AM (EZebt)

154 TonyPete @ 143- LadyL meant a 'pair' of onions, one on each hip as was the fashion.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 09:54 AM (UUkQp)

155 Woke up to 6" of snow here in Albuquerque, off to spend the day with Mom and sister later.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 28, 2019 09:55 AM (E0pGJ)

156
In the painting, the HCIC (Head Caucasian in Charge) is wearing a skull cap. Was that a thing at the time (for Christians)?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 28, 2019 09:56 AM (t5m5e)

157 Love and war. The rules are surprisingly similar.

Posted by: klaftern at November 28, 2019 09:56 AM (RuIsu)

158 I have no strongly formed opinions on onions that I wish to share today.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2019 09:56 AM (m45I2)

159 We use to do creamed cabbage in our house.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 09:56 AM (UUBmN)

160 Happy Thanksgiving, Horde.

Found out last nite family is running over to SIL's house at the time I thought we were eating at home. Readjusting my cook starting times for later meal.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 28, 2019 09:56 AM (Dhht7)

161 127 and 141 ..

Thanks guys. Heading over to Cabelas now to check it out. Yes, they are open today, surprisingly.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2019 09:56 AM (bmdz3)

162 In the painting, the HCIC (Head Caucasian in Charge) is wearing a skull cap. Was that a thing at the time (for Christians)?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 28, 2019 09:56 AM (t5m5e)

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"Grace before meals, you savages!"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:57 AM (cfSRQ)

163
I just thought you might be frugal with your letters this morning.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:52 AM (Y4EXg)

At this stage in life I have so few to spare!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 09:58 AM (TdMsT)

164 Irongrampa- went to dentist a week ago, no idea why they wanted to check my blood pressure, told the woman it's pointless, she said it's required. She then said I see why it's pointless after taking it. It is ridiculously normal.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 09:58 AM (ZCEU2)

165
Muldoon at November 28, 2019 09:56 AM (m45I2)

159 We use to do creamed cabbage in our house.
Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 09:56 AM (UUBmN)

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All right, everybody, quit creaming stuff.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 28, 2019 09:58 AM (t5m5e)

166 Scalloped oysters, yes! My mom always made a little casserole of them for my New England dad. He was the only one who would eat them. He would also hold up the dish of cranberry sauce and say, "God bless the Commonwealth of Massachusetts!" And if they shook (as they always did, of course) that proved they were Massachusetts cranberries.

Posted by: skywch at November 28, 2019 09:59 AM (IWvy/)

167 Now that I spatchcock the turkey it takes less than 2 hours to cook. I did all the desserts yesterday and prepped the veggies. I don't have to start in the kitchen until much later.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 09:59 AM (UUBmN)

168 Can't recall if I ever had creamed onions. I made creamed peas couple of weeks ago for the first time. Mom used to make them when I was growing up. Family liked them.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 28, 2019 10:00 AM (Dhht7)

169 Only my opinion but refuse to go to any store today.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:00 AM (ZCEU2)

170 I rode my Indian into town to get some firewater wearing a Chiefs jersey.

Posted by: jsg at November 28, 2019 10:00 AM (fY5tf)

171 A.H. Lloyd

The deal with poor Scots-Irish lowlanders was this:

Emigrate to America, and you will receive legal title to free land-- something that would be impossible here at home.

The catch was, the free land is already populated by other people who will try to kill you.

Posted by: mnw at November 28, 2019 10:00 AM (Cssks)

172 Time to get moving.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 10:01 AM (cfSRQ)

173 Yes, creamed onions are gross



This was a staple at Mrs Franpsycho's family's Thanksgiving many years ago when we were first dating.



For such sophisticated eaters, her family completely screwed up
Thanksgiving. Dry turkey, salty gravy, undercooked beans, and those
onions.

Just awful.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 28, 2019 09:54 AM (EZebt)

there is a hint there that creamed onions in and of themselves might not be so gross.

Posted by: Quint at November 28, 2019 10:01 AM (n13/j)

174
I'm not even uni-tasking yet.
Posted by: FireHorse at November 28, 2019 09:52 AM (+OfZZ)


Firehorse!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:01 AM (TdMsT)

175
This picture raises important questions:

1. Why did the Indians have to sit at the kids' table?

2. Why is the gourd bigger than the turkey?

3. Why doesn't the Indian in the blue tunic have all four legs of his chair on the floor?

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2019 10:01 AM (m45I2)

176 4. Where did they rent the folding tables and chairs?

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2019 10:01 AM (m45I2)

177 Elbows off the table?

Posted by: klaftern at November 28, 2019 10:01 AM (RuIsu)

178 Now that I spatchcock the turkey it takes less than 2 hours to cook. I did all the desserts yesterday and prepped the veggies. I don't have to start in the kitchen until much later.
Posted by: lin-duh

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Amazing, isn't it? I don't really have to start 'cooking' until noon for a 2pm sit down time. I've gotten a little smarter as I got older.

A very little.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 10:01 AM (Y4EXg)

179 A Very Very Very Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.

Except democrats. May they drop dead

Ho Ho Ho

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2019 10:02 AM (85Gof)

180 I would wish all of you a happy Thanksgiving

but it would probably trigger my OCD

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2019 10:02 AM (rpxSz)

181 Happy Thanksgiving! "This is the day the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it!" Psalm 118:24

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 28, 2019 10:02 AM (0O7c5)

182 91 Hrothgar, I remember reading somewhere that the
Governor of what became Rhode Island said little children could walk out
in the surf and pick up 10 lb lobsters.


Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 09:18 AM (UUkQp)

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I think there's a case to be made that many species of game are more abundant now than they were then, simply because agriculture increases the carrying capacity of the land for a lot of critters besides people.


Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2019 09:24 AM (cfSRQ)


The argument is pretty easy to make. Consider whitetail deer. The easiest way to see this is to see this is in the hunting regs over the years. when I was a lad, you could take one deer per year in MI, OH, PA, WV, and it bad to be a buck (and not a button buck). Now, in OH, anyway, you can take one antlered and multiple antlerless (limits are by county, statewide limit is 6 deer total. have to hunt multiple counties to get 6).

Also, seeing a deer hit on a road or interstate was very rare. Now, it is rather commonplace in some areas and there are deer crossing signs in residential areas in numerous communities (there's one posted 150 ft from my house and I live a literal stone's throw from the Akron city limits).

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 28, 2019 10:02 AM (di1hb)

183 166 Scalloped oysters, yes! My mom always made a little casserole of them for my New England dad. He was the only one who would eat them. He would also hold up the dish of cranberry sauce and say, "God bless the Commonwealth of Massachusetts!" And if they shook (as they always did, of course) that proved they were Massachusetts cranberries.
Posted by: skywch at November 28, 2019 09:59 AM (IWvy/)


I love them, but they sure are rich. A couple of bites is all you need!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:03 AM (TdMsT)

184 I refuse to eat that stuff people put in the Turkey cavity, proper dressing comes in a baking dish and I love the crispy bits.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 28, 2019 10:03 AM (E0pGJ)

185
For such sophisticated eaters, her family completely screwed up

Thanksgiving. Dry turkey, salty gravy, undercooked beans, and those

onions.


Just awful.



Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 28, 2019 09:54 AM (EZebt)
i have experienced the same thing. People can be fancy as hell. I once wen't to a Thanksgiving with fancy people who had a shrimp and bloody Mary bar just for starters. They still couldn't cook.

Posted by: Quint at November 28, 2019 10:03 AM (n13/j)

186 I get to have Thanksgiving with the Ukies.

You will all be very jealous when I tell you what was served!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:04 AM (TdMsT)

187 I rode my Indian into town to get some firewater wearing a Chiefs jersey.
Posted by: jsg

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Was your hair perfect? (I don't know why but that instantly popped into my head. I am well aware that is NOT the lead in for Zevon. I'm starting to worry myself.)

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 10:05 AM (Y4EXg)

188 I like to do word search puzzles as a way of relaxing. Today's puzzle book has a word search for Thanksgiving feast. Among the food items which I don't think I have ever had for TG are cheddar bread, creamed onions, raisins or cornbread. The mystery word made from the left over letters was "mashed potatoes" which I have and will have for TG.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2019 10:05 AM (WI7YS)

189 I'm blessed with so many wonderful things to be thankful for and the list is too long to type out (aka too lazy). So a Happy and blessed Thanksgiving to all morons and ettes. Hope everyone has a great day.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at November 28, 2019 10:05 AM (+ldAm)

190 I just thought you might be frugal with your letters this morning.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 09:52 AM (Y4EXg)


yu dnt relly hav to us al th lettrs

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:05 AM (BiNEL)

191 181 Happy Thanksgiving! "This is the day the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it!" Psalm 118:24
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 28, 2019 10:02 AM (0O7c5)


Amen. That can't be said enough.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:05 AM (TdMsT)

192 I get to have Thanksgiving with the Ukies.

You will all be very jealous when I tell you what was served!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:04 AM (TdMsT)


I'm alredy hngry!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:07 AM (BiNEL)

193 Is it really a Thanksgiving meal if you don't have at least one "creamed" dish on the table? If you think about it, green bean casserole could easily be called creamed green beans....just saying! We're doing creamed corn and green bean casserole.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:07 AM (UUBmN)

194 I'm alredy hngry!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:07 AM (BiNEL)


Judging by your spelling, you're already drinking!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:07 AM (TdMsT)

195 Except democrats. May they drop dead

Hopefully, NGU, that doesn't include those of us who are DINOs.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2019 10:08 AM (WI7YS)

196 Creamed anything is gross, unless feeding babies

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:08 AM (ZCEU2)

197 Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 28, 2019 10:02 AM (0O7c5)

Amen. Thanks!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2019 10:08 AM (WI7YS)

198 Except democrats. May they drop dead

Hopefully, NGU, that doesn't include those of us who are DINOs.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2019 10:08 AM (WI7YS)

No local politics sometimes demand that. But I am watching!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 28, 2019 10:09 AM (85Gof)

199 My grandma made a Thanksgiving oyster stuffing that was fantastic!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:09 AM (BiNEL)

200 One easy way to tell is the surge in sharks around here for the last few years.


The sharks, at least the great whites, are here for the seals not the fish.

The moratorium on murdering seals has been devastating to the inshore fisheries. We need to de-sentimentalize seals and come up with some good seal recipes.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 10:09 AM (gd9RK)

201 178 Now that I spatchcock the turkey it takes less than 2 hours to cook. I did all the desserts yesterday and prepped the veggies. I don't have to start in the kitchen until much later.
Posted by: lin-duh

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Amazing, isn't it? I don't really have to start 'cooking' until noon for a 2pm sit down time. I've gotten a little smarter as I got older.

A very little.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 10:01 AM (Y4EXg)


Might be more efficient, but spatchcocked birds sure look like they started out as road kill. I can easily imagine the first spatchcock being a bird trampled in a stampede and then picked up by a proto-hobo.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 28, 2019 10:10 AM (di1hb)

202 Judging by your spelling, you're already drinking!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:07 AM (TdMsT)



vry prcptiv

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:10 AM (BiNEL)

203 The deal with poor Scots-Irish lowlanders was this:


Emigrate to America, and you will receive legal title to free land-- something that would be impossible here at home.


The catch was, the free land is already populated by other people who will try to kill you.
Posted by: mnw at November 28, 2019 10:00 AM (Cssks)


I have read that the "Western territories" initially celebrated the arrival of the Scots-Irish and the Scots borderers as good motivated fighters and settlers with a history and culture of warfare, but, later moaned that after having them as neighbors they would rather have the indians back

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2019 10:11 AM (1glZx)

204 vry prcptiv
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No one NEEDS more than one vowel....

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:12 AM (UUBmN)

205 We are in charge of it now, make it at our place and cart it over to her parents's house to eat. No creamed onions. No way.

When she came to the Friendsgiving me any my friends had, she was blown away. Bourbon basted turkey, sausage stuffing, sweet potato casserole, six kinds of pie. She had never had a good turkey.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 28, 2019 10:12 AM (EZebt)

206 No, we didn't refer to it ss "friendsgiving" either

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 28, 2019 10:13 AM (EZebt)

207 Presidential Thanksgiving Proclamation, circa 2027:

"On this Thanksgiving Day, the seventh-to-last we will ever enjoy due to Climate Change, we gather with family and friends to give thanks to the government which provides for the needs of every American. It is my hope that, as you prepare your holiday feast, everyone brings something to the table and contributes their fair share to the meal and festivities.

"May your day be filled with gratitude and discussions about politics, as it is vital to our survival that those in the opposition party stop their senseless obstruction of the programs that my administration has proposed. And may the collective spirit of our nation bless this great land. Happy Thanksgiving, America!"

Posted by: FireHorse at November 28, 2019 10:13 AM (+OfZZ)

208 193 Is it really a Thanksgiving meal if you don't have at least one "creamed" dish on the table? If you think about it, green bean casserole could easily be called creamed green beans....just saying! We're doing creamed corn and green bean casserole.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:07 AM (UUBmN)

Niece is bringing the green bean casserole. I sometimes do creamed spinach because I like it but only a few people eat it so I didn't do that this year.

Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2019 10:13 AM (cF8AT)

209 " I can easily imagine the first spatchcock being a bird trampled in a stampede and then picked up by a proto-hobo."


Lots of what we now consider as Gourmet food had to have been discovered by starving people.

Snails.

Crab

Lobster

Oysters

Etc...

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 10:14 AM (cqNba)

210 >>The sharks, at least the great whites, are here for the seals not the fish.

The seals aren't here for sight seeing. They are here for the fish.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2019 10:14 AM (ZLI7S)

211 Tragically, the wind outside is preventing me from raking leaves. My next door neighbor, who can't sit still, is out there doing battle though.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2019 10:14 AM (MVjcR)

212 > "Daaaad! NOT abalone and lobster AGAIN...!"

I believe there is a surviving document from a New England servant's strike, back when.

One of their demands was that they not be served lobster more than x times per week.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2019 10:15 AM (oQp6r)

213 Might be more efficient, but spatchcocked birds sure
look like they started out as road kill. I can easily imagine the first
spatchcock being a bird trampled in a stampede and then picked up by a
proto-hobo.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 28, 2019 10:10 AM (di1hb)



I always refer to spatchcocking as as "Spreading the Blood-Poultry" but apparently the only person who finds this funny is me.



COOK LIKE A VIKING!
Dedicate this stuffing to Odin!
(and Flyting goes well with family get-togethers. )

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2019 10:16 AM (1glZx)

214 Wakes up.
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. So much to be thankful for. All you Hordemates, family, and so many blessings.
**sniffs**
Goes looking for coffee.


PS. Thankful for no okra today.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2019 10:16 AM (axyOa)

215 > I have read that the "Western territories" initially celebrated the
arrival of the Scots-Irish and the Scots borderers as good motivated
fighters and settlers with a history and culture of warfare
On the other hand, the English were happy to have them out of their hair.
"Hmm... over in the colonies, we've got a problem with people who like to paint their bodies, get raging drunk, and start murdering people. Over here we've got a problem with people who like to paint their bodies, get raging drunk, and start murdering people... what if we sent the ones we have here over to fight the ones there?"

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2019 10:18 AM (oQp6r)

216 I heard something similar about caviar in NYC. They used to give it out free to get the punters thirsty so they would order more beers.

Posted by: Quint at November 28, 2019 10:18 AM (n13/j)

217 (and Flyting goes well with family get-togethers. )


*********

"Grandpa, show me how to make a Grey Hackle Peacock!"

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2019 10:18 AM (m45I2)

218 Creamed pearl onions with peas every single year. Yes. Including today in just a few hours. Not low cal but absolutely beyond delicious. I always sneak in some extra butter just before serving.

Posted by: corn and beans at November 28, 2019 10:19 AM (tkNkP)

219 Skipping on the green bean casserole this year. Going with Bacon wrapped green beans roasted.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 28, 2019 10:19 AM (Dhht7)

220 169 Only my opinion but refuse to go to any store today.
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 201

I normally do, but I forgot apples last night.

Posted by: Infidel at November 28, 2019 10:19 AM (O/X1S)

221 No one NEEDS more than one vowel....

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:12 AM (UUBmN)


nd tht vowel be?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:19 AM (BiNEL)

222 Did Trump pardon a turkey this year, or is the news media not covering it because it would portray the enemy in a good light and we can't have that because we live in critical times, or did I just miss it?

Posted by: FireHorse at November 28, 2019 10:20 AM (+OfZZ)

223 Been reminiscing on talks and times spent with F-I-L. Have to next door and get the full report from S-I-L when Mrs IMG finishes breakfast.

Gotta get the turkey out of the brine. wrap it up, and find room in the fridge. Might can put it in a bucket with lid and stick it outdoors. Nah, gonna hit 40.

Dunno, but guessing I'll smoke it tomorrow.

Hope all you Hordelings have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 28, 2019 10:20 AM (di1hb)

224 crap

No one NEEDS more than one vowel....

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:12 AM (UUBmN)

nd tht vowel be?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:19 AM (BiNEL)

nd tht vwel be?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:20 AM (BiNEL)

225 Fauxchicks will compete as chicks in the Olympics.

Transgenderism and the Olympics
By Ned Barnett
Next year's Tokyo Summer Olympics may spell the swift death of the transgender movement as a dominant politically-correct touchstone. Biological men, self-identifying as women, are poised to make a clean sweep of the Women's Olympics, triggering a very public debate on this third-rail subject.

https://bit.ly/2KZnqnl

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 28, 2019 10:21 AM (+y/Ru)

226 I read that in Ohio, on the line of settlement, wild turkeys were considered a nuisance, & settlers clubbed them to death & left them to rot.

Posted by: mnw at November 28, 2019 10:21 AM (Cssks)

227 >>Did Trump pardon a turkey this year

Two.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2019 10:21 AM (ZLI7S)

228 The seals aren't here for sight seeing. They are here for the fish.


The fish which are properly mine and not the seals' and that's why we need to murder them all.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 10:21 AM (gd9RK)

229 nd tht vwel be?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
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In your case, an "e"...

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:22 AM (UUBmN)

230 Happy Thaksgiving, everyone!

And yes, I am making creamed onions as we speak.

(Who are these people who never heard of that for Thanksgiving?)

Posted by: IrishEi at November 28, 2019 10:22 AM (sGotD)

231 n

Posted by: IrishEi at November 28, 2019 10:22 AM (sGotD)

232 In your case, an "e"...

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:22 AM (UUBmN)

wy yes!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:23 AM (BiNEL)

233
as it is vital to our survival that those in the opposition party stop their senseless obstruction of the programs that my administration has proposed

The only "opposition party" that will be tolerated will be about as vigorous and principled as the California GOP.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 28, 2019 10:23 AM (7rVsF)

234 The only "opposition party" that will be tolerated will be about as vigorous and principled as the California GOP.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 28, 2019 10:23 AM (7rVsF)


Or the Virginiafornia GOP

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:24 AM (BiNEL)

235 "(Who are these people who never heard of that for Thanksgiving?)"


*Raises paw*

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 10:24 AM (cqNba)

236 >>The fish which are properly mine and not the seals' and that's why we need to murder them all.

They are all over the Bay this fall. Cute little buggers.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2019 10:24 AM (ZLI7S)

237 Hadrian,
I'm gonna go check the mail in a while to see if your gift arrived, thanks again!

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:24 AM (UUBmN)

238 I broke out my grandmother's/mom's monster rolling pin this morning to batter some stale bread crumbs into power.

I could just picture my grandma's gnarly hands using it. Made me smile it did!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 10:25 AM (Y4EXg)

239 Two conditions that I refuse to combat the leaf population are winds and rain. Did see with this wind storm there are no leaves on the trees, so any new cleanup will be the last.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:25 AM (ZCEU2)

240 >>Did Trump pardon a turkey this year

Two.

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They were both war criminals.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 28, 2019 10:26 AM (+y/Ru)

241 I gotta remember to make biscuits...

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:26 AM (UUBmN)

242 "If at any time our rewards have seemed meager, we should find our justification for Thanksgiving by carefully comparing what we have with what we deserve."

That Coolidge guy was something.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 28, 2019 10:26 AM (+OfZZ)

243 Trump is the Devil!

Pass the gravy!

Posted by: Brother's Inlaws at November 28, 2019 10:27 AM (wo3c/)

244 When settling what was heretofore Indian territory, having neighbors with whom you can get along, and TRUST, is not merely recommended-- it's mandatory.

Posted by: mnw at November 28, 2019 10:27 AM (Cssks)

245 "Two.

-
They were both war criminals."

Hawaiian Judge over-ruled the pardon.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 28, 2019 10:27 AM (cqNba)

246 Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:25 AM (ZCEU2)
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Agreed. My neighbor just has ants in his pants. Retired Marine.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2019 10:27 AM (MVjcR)

247 Did Trump pardon a turkey this year

Two.
Posted by: JackStraw

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Just like him!! He also had two scoops of ice-cream!! Reeeeeeeeee.

-- Asstards throughout the land.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 10:27 AM (Y4EXg)

248 Hunter and the whistleblower

grim fairy tell

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2019 10:27 AM (rpxSz)

249 BTW, keto is out for today and probably tomorrow too....

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:28 AM (UUBmN)

250 Wasn't the two turkeys named Butter and Bread or something like that?

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:28 AM (ZCEU2)

251 They are all over the Bay this fall. Cute little buggers.


There was a New Yorker article about the return of seals to NYC environs which referred to them as "charismatic megafauna".

So, great. If you're furry and have big brown eyes you get to ruin my beaches. Ptui.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 10:28 AM (gd9RK)

252 Bander @ 200- Seals are tasty, especially the baby ones, or so I'm told. Never cooked one because they are a type of weasel.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2019 10:28 AM (UUkQp)

253 227 >>Did Trump pardon a turkey this year

Two.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2019 10:21 AM (ZLI7S)

After he pardoned them, he said he expected them to "be subpoenaed by Schiff."

Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (cF8AT)

254 Would it be rude to bring cranberry sauce to Thanksgiving if I wasn't asked to bring it? It's not a big Ukie thing, but I like turkey much better with it.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (TdMsT)

255 So- Your Man Publius Redux reporting in at the end of the day here in Hong Kong. A fine Thanksgiving meal was had, out, at the American Club (in Town) in Central. A fine American sauvignon blanc accompanied a lovely several course meal ( Shrimp Cocktail followed by squash soup, turkey and all the trimmings and then pumpkin custard pie). A before dinner drink in the bar (Woodford's Reserve on a large rock) was memorable.
It was excellent and the club is wonderful. My Hong Kong friends had never had a real American Thanksgiving before. They were enthralled and enraptured.

The talk of the table, and the town, really? President Donald J Trump and how much everyone was in awe of his signing the pro democracy bills sent to him by Congress. The Hong Kongers know this is a thumb in the eye of China, that China expressly threatened the President and the US if he did so and know that it makes the trade agreement more difficult - and - and Trump signed it anyway saying "we stand with the people of Hong Kong." Hong Kongers know that this took balls. So much so that after dinner, when we went out onto the terrace and looked down into Central we could see a large gathering of pro-democracy protesters who had gathered to celebrate, complete with a stage and American flags. Soon, wafting up from down below came the first strains of The Star Spangled Banner which then rang out loud and clear. We, and especially your man, were overcome. There had to be about 2-3,000 of them. It was hard to tell as it was very dusty and there was something in my eye.

Truly an amazing day.

Happy Thanksgiving Horde! God bless us all, all Americans and all lovers of freedom and liberty, everywhere.

Posted by: Publius Redux at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (sNj8b)

256 228 The seals aren't here for sight seeing. They are here for the fish.


The fish which are properly mine and not the seals' and that's why we need to murder them all.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 10:21 AM (gd9RK


They are like now that a bit to the south of me (45 min or so). Grandparents of son's ex had (been a few years since I was at their place) a dozen plus that hung out. Turkey crap on the patio, driveway, and walkways. Can't touch them as they are managed wildlife.

At least there's no closed season nor bag limit on coyotes. Nowadays you can just about make a living fur trapping. Son did that a few years in the winter when between construction seasons.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (di1hb)

257 Was a part of my Thanksgivings as long as I can remember. My grandmother was an incredible cook and she always had them on the table. Delicious.
____________

My mom and granny made them when I was young, but I never ate them because I hate onions. But yeah, there were creamed onions on our Thanksgiving table.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (k4dH2)

258 BTW, keto is out for today and probably tomorrow too....
Posted by: lin-duh

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My potato filling and pies have identified as no carb during this time.

So, not a cheat day!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 10:30 AM (Y4EXg)

259 Wasn't the two turkeys named Butter and Bread or something like that?

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:28 AM (ZCEU2)


Yes, and schiff has already issued subpoenas for them both!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:30 AM (BiNEL)

260 Just had two bald-headed eagles fly over.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2019 10:30 AM (MVjcR)

261
My mom and granny made them when I was young, but I never ate them because I hate onions. But yeah, there were creamed onions on our Thanksgiving table.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (k4dH2)


I think it's an English/New England thing. My ancestors lived in both places.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:31 AM (TdMsT)

262
I believe there is a surviving document from a New England servant's strike, back when.

One of their demands was that they not be served lobster more than x times per week.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2019 10:15 AM (oQp6r)

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I read that during the Revolutionary War, British prisoners of war were kept on prison hulks in Boston Harbor. Being served lobster constantly had them close to rioting.

" 14. Lobsters were once considered poor man's food. In Colonial times the crustaceans were so plentiful in the northeast that they were often used as fertilizer, feed for farm animals, and as fishing bait. Because they were so cheap, they were only eaten by poor people and served to prisoners and servants."

http://catalinaop.com/dock-to-dish/15-fun-facts-about-lobster/#.Xd_niiWIbYU

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 28, 2019 10:31 AM (t5m5e)

263 There was a New Yorker article about the return of seals to NYC environs which referred to them as "charismatic megafauna".

So, great. If you're furry and have big brown eyes you get to ruin my beaches. Ptui.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 28, 2019 10:28 AM (gd9RK)


Pests are pests no matter how cute. To a farmer, a rose in a cornfield is a weed.

Posted by: Gref at November 28, 2019 10:31 AM (AMIL/)

264 Ladyl couldn't imagine anyone complaining someone brought a dish even if not asked.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:31 AM (ZCEU2)

265 254 Would it be rude to bring cranberry sauce to Thanksgiving if I wasn't asked to bring it? It's not a big Ukie thing, but I like turkey much better with it.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (TdMsT)

gauche is the word you're grasping for

utterly gauche

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2019 10:31 AM (rpxSz)

266 Would it be rude to bring cranberry sauce to Thanksgiving if I wasn't asked to bring it? It's not a big Ukie thing, but I like turkey much better with it.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (TdMsT)

Ummmmmmmmmm.....No.

Wouldn't be Thanksgiving without some cranberry sauce.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2019 10:32 AM (Z+IKu)

267 Siobhan Houton Arnold@siobhanphilly
Martin O'Malley just drove Ken Cuccinelli out of the Dubliner in DC w/ a passion-laced and shame-invoking tirade on behalf of immigrant refugee children!!!

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Leftist Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 28, 2019 10:32 AM (+y/Ru)

268 Truly an amazing day.

Happy Thanksgiving Horde! God bless us all, all Americans and all lovers of freedom and liberty, everywhere.
Posted by: Publius Redux at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (sNj8b)

That is just beautiful.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:32 AM (TdMsT)

269 Would it be rude to bring cranberry sauce to Thanksgiving if I wasn't asked to bring it? It's not a big Ukie thing, but I like turkey much better with it.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (TdMsT)


You would enjoy it, and they might try something different, so I would vote for not rude at all!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:32 AM (BiNEL)

270 It's Nadler the Hutt who would love to get those turkeys grilled

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:32 AM (ZCEU2)

271 Ladyl couldn't imagine anyone complaining someone brought a dish even if not asked.
Posted by: Skip

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Good thing you are going to a Ukie gathering and not Italian. LOL

There, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2019 10:33 AM (Y4EXg)

272 Opie: Kid, we don't want any hangings.
Arlo: Epstein didn't kill himself.

Posted by: DaveA at November 28, 2019 10:33 AM (FhXTo)

273 I remember creamed onions on Thanksgiving. That dish fell by the wayside after Grandma passed on.

Celery was an exotic new vegetable at the time at the time the classic Thanksgiving menus were being popularized. Food scholars speculate that's why it got thrown in to the stuffing, to fancy it up with the new kid on the block.








Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at November 28, 2019 10:33 AM (COzlW)

274 Ladyl,
Just bring the can and present it as a hostess gift...

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2019 10:33 AM (UUBmN)

275 My current favorite way to cook a turkey:

Follow these instructions: https://youtu.be/R-oONZgDT0M

Season to taste and sous vide to 155F for at least a couple of hours. Longer is better. But the beauty is that you don't have to babysit it. Watch a parade, go outside, go back to bed, whatever.

Remove from sous vide bag, pat dry, and stick under a screaming hot broiler.

Remove from broiler just before the smoke alarms go off.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 28, 2019 10:33 AM (tGVfp)

276 Nood art

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 28, 2019 10:33 AM (/Njku)

277 Would it be rude to bring cranberry sauce to Thanksgiving if I wasn't asked to bring it? It's not a big Ukie thing, but I like turkey much better with it.

Posted by: Ladyl
________

Probably, yeah. For myself, the table isn't complete unless there's a cylinder of cranberry sauce on it.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 28, 2019 10:33 AM (+OfZZ)

278 In the painting, the clergyman who is leading the prayer looks to be an orthodox rabbi.

On a similar note, at the Blues' Stanley Cup parade, Ryan O'Reilly put on a Clint Eastwood-style spaghetti western black hat... to look BAD! ROR, with his long dark beard, succeeded in looking more like... a strapping young Irish-Canadian rabbi.

Posted by: mnw at November 28, 2019 10:34 AM (Cssks)

279 264 Ladyl couldn't imagine anyone complaining someone brought a dish even if not asked.
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:31 AM (ZCEU2)


Some of the great cooks here were saying the other day that they did NOT like people bringing surprise food!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:34 AM (TdMsT)

280 Would it be rude to bring cranberry sauce to
Thanksgiving if I wasn't asked to bring it? It's not a big Ukie thing,
but I like turkey much better with it.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (TdMsT)

Hell's no. Thanksgiving has to have Turkey, stuffing, and cranberry sauce. There are many others such as mashed potatoes, pies, yeast rolls etc. But if you don't have cranberry sauce you have skipped the trinity.

Posted by: Quint at November 28, 2019 10:34 AM (n13/j)

281 The Hong Kongers know this is a thumb in the eye of China, that China expressly threatened the President and the US if he did so and know that it makes the trade agreement more difficult - and - and Trump signed it anyway saying "we stand with the people of Hong Kong." Hong Kongers know that this took balls.
______________

Yep, Trump has heap-big cojones. He signed it because he knew it was the right thing to do, even though it was a big risk for him, because he knew it would piss off the Chinese.

Trump has the courage of his convictions, and that is no small thing. His presidency is one of the things I am thankful for on this Thanksgiving Day!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 28, 2019 10:34 AM (k4dH2)

282 Nood art

Posted by: Darth Randall
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What the . . .

Posted by: FireHorse at November 28, 2019 10:35 AM (+OfZZ)

283 Posted by: Publius Redux at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (sNj8b)

I'll gladly drink a glass in honor of the HK crowd, can we exchange some of them for the antifa scum here?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:35 AM (BiNEL)

284 made what i call 'alium gravy' and it was quite tasty. It was a gravy with five or six alium variants and no flour, just something close to a demi-glace of turkey stock back when i had more energy.

Today will be a simple giblet gravy with a demi-glace

Posted by: Krusty at November 28, 2019 10:36 AM (jk52O)

285 For all the times I see a cool Art Thread that is in my line of reading and knowledge that I don't get to comment , bet this will not be.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2019 10:36 AM (ZCEU2)

286 Is this the Airing of Grievances thread?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 28, 2019 10:37 AM (NWiLs)

287 Some of the great cooks here were saying the other day that they did NOT like people bringing surprise food!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:34 AM (TdMsT)

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I thought that was mostly directed to competing foods, like bringing scalloped potatoes when mashed potatoes were already on the chef's menu.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:37 AM (BiNEL)

288 Is this the Airing of Grievances thread?

Posted by: Insomniac
________

Have at it, Insomniac. I'll be popping in sporadically throughout the morning.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 28, 2019 10:38 AM (+OfZZ)

289 Creamed onions? Oh hell no, I don't even like normal onions. I'm not sure I have ever seen creamed onions.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 28, 2019 10:40 AM (9Om/r)

290 The two pardoned turkeys are named Bread and Butter.

No other country has a head of state who publicly and pseudo-solemnly pardons a giant bird (and his buddy) from being eaten. It's hilarious and yet another example of how great this country is.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at November 28, 2019 10:40 AM (COzlW)

291 Is this the Airing of Grievances thread?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 28, 2019 10:37 AM

If it is, Jerry Nadler's tailor has a looooong, not to mention wide, list.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at November 28, 2019 10:42 AM (COzlW)

292 I thought that was mostly directed to competing foods, like bringing scalloped potatoes when mashed potatoes were already on the chef's menu.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 28, 2019 10:37 AM

I'm making scalloped potatoes by request, instead of mashed, this year. Never made 'em for Thanx, usually it's an Easter dish. Kind of gilding the lily with all the other stuff, but what the hell. It's supposed to be a Harvest o' Plenty Groaning Board.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at November 28, 2019 10:47 AM (COzlW)

293 My personal theory is that societal rewards seem to work differently from personal rewards, which sometimes seem to undeserving people.

As the old Yiddish proverb puts it:

"If you want to know what G-d thinks about money, just look at who he gives it to."

Posted by: The DNC! at November 28, 2019 10:48 AM (I2/tG)

294 It's not a big Ukie thing, but I like turkey much better with it.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (TdMsT)

What is Ukie?

Posted by: BignJames at November 28, 2019 10:49 AM (X/Pw5)

295 Posted by: Publius Redux at November 28, 2019 10:29 AM (sNj8b)

Really inspiring and interesting post. Thanks!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2019 10:52 AM (WI7YS)

296 Time to clean the yard after yesterdays winds.

Happy Thanksgiving Morons!

Posted by: DaveA at November 28, 2019 10:56 AM (FhXTo)

297 Late to the party everyone. My Turkey is cooking on the smoker and is at 152 degrees breast temp so soon, very soon. I just read the Morning Report about PETA trying to throw shade at Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Picric at November 28, 2019 10:56 AM (nonGu)

298 Those pardoned turkeys are actually sentenced to a lifetime at some VA university ag research lab. I'm half surprised PETA and the orangeman bad crowd didn't astro-turf the country with a "thats a fate worse than death" slogan.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 28, 2019 10:56 AM (n4y+3)

299 To loved ones who have passed from this world.
Sorrow that they are gone.
That they existed at all sends the blues away.

Posted by: In memory of Big Guy. :) at November 28, 2019 10:57 AM (vqIkG)

300 I'm going to try Jiffy corn casserole today to take to neighbors. Other neighbor brought it last year but is doing meal with kids and grandkids this year. Our neighbors are awesome but I don't care for their Indiana dressing. I'll make a huge batch of our family recipe for Xmas and roast our own bird. I figured it would be rude to bring the sage, celery, onion dressing I love when they always make a big batch of their family traditional recipe, but the corn casserole should be okay.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 28, 2019 11:03 AM (n4y+3)

301 Very nice post KT. We'll be having all the traditional fare this year - turkey,cornbread stuffing, pumpkin pie, etc. But some Thanksgiving I'll prepare foods my grandmother used to serve on Thanksgiving - Ham, Oyster Casserole, and Gooseberry Pie.

Posted by: Cumberland Astro at November 28, 2019 11:26 AM (d9Cw3)

302 Creamed onions are the only food more disgusting than creamed celery, which I had to eat approximately once a week as a small child.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 28, 2019 11:39 AM (XzVUd)

303 Cumberland Astro at November 28, 2019 11:26 AM
The gooseberry pie sounds great. Thought about having a Thanksgiving Saturday?

Posted by: KT at November 28, 2019 12:46 PM (BVQ+1)

304 Beautiful tune. I recall from some presidential inauguration or other, and also as "sampled" by Aaron Copland in Appalachian Spring (and for those of us of a certain age, used as the theme for "CBS Reports")

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