Gun Thread: PSA: Winter is Coming, is Your S#!t Lubed? [Weasel]

Liberal Tears are the Best Tears!

The weapons you shoot regularly should be maintained regularly, right? But what about the rifle you only bring out of the safe once a year, say, for hunting season? Should you do anything special? Like maybe blow off the dust and give it a couple drops of oil? Let's find out below, shall we?

Digging waaay back into the Gun Thread Archives, we find this article on cleaning. Do we comment in old threads? No, we do not comment in old threads lest we incur the wrath of Pixy, PBUH. Anyhoo, my attitude on cleaning and so forth hasn't changed since I wrote that, but there are a few things you may want to think about before shooting a weapon that's been unused for some time. I like to run a wet patch through the barrel to make sure everything is still groovy, and if so, then a dry patch and call it good. I also oil or grease the action, depending on the weapon. Generally speaking, if it turns I oil it and if it slides I grease it. Finally, I do a brief function check and for rifles I like to check the zero of the sights or optics before doing any shooting that really counts. If it was cleaned before it was put away, it should only require a cursory inspection and lubrication before it's ready to shoot again.

Do any of you live or shoot in winter climates where you need to consider air temperature in your lubrication choices? Do you make different choices in summer and winter? What is your process?

Rifle Barrel Break-In
A question I get asked a lot has to do with breaking-in new barrels and what steps in particular I take to accomplish this vital and critically important procedure, and the answer is, not much. Yep, that's right. Not much at all. Oh, I know this will likely spark outrage and perhaps even violent public demonstrations, but I have never bought in to all the break-in hype and my suspicions have been confirmed by real live knowledgeable barrel manufacturers. I shoot an overbore caliber and realistically speaking get something around 800 rounds from a new barrel before its match accuracy is degraded, so I cannot afford a lengthy break-in process. Having said that, even with barrels that will last many thousands of rounds I don't do a whole lot; shoot 2 or 3 rounds then a brush & patch out, 3 or 4 more rounds, quick brush & patches, a few more rounds with a brush, patches and some bore paste and that's it. Done. All I'm trying to do is initially foul the barrel and smooth any leftover machining marks from the chambering and rifling processes. Higher quality barrels will have been lapped and will exhibit fewer of these machining marks.

But, but, but....! I read on the internet a lengthy and meticulous process must be followed that takes hours and hours and hundreds of rounds and cleaning at the molecular level and if you don't do it your barrel will be ruint! Weasel is full of shit!!

Well, maybe so, but that's what I do, and my rifles all shoot just fine and do not suffer from excessive copper fouling, which is what a super-specific break-in process is supposed to prevent. I have also been told by barrel manufacturers to just shoot the damn things and not to overthink it. I suspect most of the elaborate procedures you read on many manufacturer's websites are there simply because the shooting world expects there to be some complicated and lengthy process required, and by golly there better be one or it's not a classy barrel maker!

Are you going to really hurt a barrel by cleaning and brushing and flossing it for days? Probably not, but is it really necessary? I don't think that it is. At worst you'll probably over clean the steel each time which will just start the copper fouling and break-in process all over again. In the end, do whatever makes you happy and helps you sleep at night! Disagree and want to fight about it? Please email CBD at the Food Thread.

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I like shooting. And I like shooting machine guns. And I like Jerry Miculek videos. So what could be better than a video of Jerry Miculek shooting machine guns? Why, a video of Jerry Miculek shooting clay pigeons with a machine gun, of course! (H/t CBD)

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Link-O-Rama
Below are some links on barrel break-in and copper fouling, most of which advance the conventional wisdom and suggest a somewhat lengthy break-in regimen. What do you all think? Am I a retard?

Lilja Riflebarrels: Barrel Fouling
Field & Stream: Copper Fouling
Shooting Software: Fouling
Shooting Times: Copper Fouling
Rod and Gun: Copper Fouling Notes
Field & Stream: Why Copper Fouling Kills Accuracy
Christensen Arms: Barrel Break-in

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This week our pal blake hit the range with an M1 Garand. Man, do I ever love shooting in that part of the country! Beautiful rifle, beautiful range, and nice work on the targets, blake!

Range report: Woot!
Shooting the 500 meter silhouette range with the M1 at Mojave Sportsman Club. I actually managed to hit a few of the silhouettes. But, with the amount of lead an M1 can put down range, not too much of a surprise. This range is just outside of Kingman, AZ.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Howdy! I need to get to the range. And into the tree stand.

Posted by: Bert G at November 10, 2019 07:01 PM (OMsf+)

2 Yello

Posted by: ALH at November 10, 2019 07:03 PM (9HQoP)

3 Not late, off to read the content!

McGyver, Yay, me!

Posted by: McGyver@bresnan.net at November 10, 2019 07:03 PM (n2qq8)

4 It's deer season in Georgia. There are rednecks everywhere out in the woods.

Posted by: ALH at November 10, 2019 07:04 PM (9HQoP)

5 Also worked the 1911 on some plate racks the range has in one of the pistol bays.

Found I have developed a bad habit I need to break. Pushing down into the shot as I pull the trigger,

I was most annoyed. Didn't do it every shot but enough that I need to work on it.

Overall, didn't do too badly with the plate racks.

Also, hadn't run the 1911 in a few months, pulled it out, ran like a champ, no hiccups whatsoever.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:04 PM (WEBkv)

6 apparently Rick and Morty is premiering tonight

Posted by: the barrel at November 10, 2019 07:05 PM (ykYG2)

7 I know they make no sense from a weight/strength perspective. That it is outmoded from a practical sense. Obsolete.

I like wood on guns.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 10, 2019 07:06 PM (ycWCI)

8 Was busy and didn't get my first in

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 07:07 PM (ZCEU2)

9 I'm prolly the only one aware of it but I won't to acknowledge an amazing accomplishment -

22 year old Jess Lockwood just won his 2nd PBR World Championship.

Well done young man. Toughest little guys in the world

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 10, 2019 07:07 PM (cknjq)

10 Are they road runner targets?

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 07:08 PM (ZCEU2)

11 Weasel - I like your cleaning regimen. Because I hate cleaning my gubs. But they do need it from time to time, especially the Comm Bloc ones, what shoots dirty ammo

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver@bresnan.net at November 10, 2019 07:09 PM (n2qq8)

12 Are they road runner targets?

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 07:08 PM

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I hit a road runner with the wife's car here in Texas. They are not as fast as they are portrayed in the cartoons.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2019 07:09 PM (JUOKG)

13 There was an article in a recent gun magazine (American Rifleman?) That had a ridiculous week long cleaning regimen. Fvck that. I like.shooting, and to the extent that I clean my.guns it's for purely functional reasons and also to understand how they work.

Most of my guns are more accurate than I am...dirty, clean or somewhere in between.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 10, 2019 07:09 PM (A3700)

14 No, we do not comment in old threads lest we incur the wrath of Pixy, PBUH

* shrieks * * shrieks some more *

How can you assume how Pixy self-identifies??????

* wails *

Posted by: NPC_11110110 at November 10, 2019 07:10 PM (DMUuz)

15
I hit a road runner with the wife's car here in Texas. They are not as fast as they are portrayed in the cartoons.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS)

Do you drive an Acme?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 10, 2019 07:11 PM (aKsyK)

16 A roadrunner hit by a Roadrunner?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 10, 2019 07:11 PM (ycWCI)

17 Put the new Commander through about 300 rounds this weekend. Every bad habit I've had and corrected over the years showed up. you'd think this shooting thing would get easier.

Maybe more practice is called for.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 10, 2019 07:11 PM (Ocq9w)

18 Nice M-1. clean. new sling, pretty furniture. Reciever looks pretty fresh. CMP re-do? Inquiring minds want to know

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver@bresnan.net at November 10, 2019 07:12 PM (n2qq8)

19 10 Are they road runner targets?
Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 07:08 PM (ZCEU2)

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200 meters, chicken silhouettes.

Rams at 500 meters.

Actually allow one to drive out and set up the targets.

There's a thousand yard range next to the 500 meter range.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:13 PM (WEBkv)

20 Good evening Weasel and y'all. Thanks for the realistic break-in and maintenance suggestions. I really like the if it turns: oil; if it slides: grease.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 07:14 PM (bmdz3)

21 >>But what about the rifle you only bring out of the safe once a year, say, for hunting season? Should you do anything special? Like maybe blow off the dust and give it a couple drops of oil?

I'll weigh in on this one. The shaft of the rod should be lubricated at all times. You never know when it may be called into action.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 10, 2019 07:15 PM (QE8X6)

22
Liberal tears as lube?

Nah.

Your barrel will immediately start rusting and pitting.

Just. Don't. Do. It.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 10, 2019 07:15 PM (sy5kK)

23 18 Nice M-1. clean. new sling, pretty furniture. Reciever looks pretty fresh. CMP re-do? Inquiring minds want to know

McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver@bresnan.net at November 10, 2019 07:12 PM (n2qq

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CMP refurbish.

I also have an M1 I sent in and had CMP refurbish and they did a great job. New parkerization on the gas cylinder even. Well, probably not parkerization as the gas cylinder is stainless, I believe. But, some kind of process that makes the finish on the gas cylinder match the barrel.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:15 PM (WEBkv)

24 I used to be fanatical about my guns being cleaned after each use, but that was also when I didn't go shooting very often. Now go by either number of rounds expended or next expected use.

Thus: a gun that I'm going to be done with for a while gets priority over one that got 100 rounds through it this week and will likely get another 100 rounds next week.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:15 PM (cfSRQ)

25 Yea! Guns!

And nice to see the blog is still alive, unlike Epstein who did not kill himself.

I DID go to the range yesterday. Whew. Felt good.

This week was a side by side comparison between the Springfield Armory XD9 and XD45. I wanted to see if I was much more accurate with one vs the other.

And...no difference or so little to be negligable.

So....that brings me back to...when I'm picking my EDC sidearm, do I go with 9mm or 45?

The XD9 has a 16 round capacity.
The XD45 has a 13 round capacity.

So, assuming it takes more than one round of pistol ammo to resolve my social problems...if I need 3 rounds (Mozambique) of 9mm, the XD9 can resolve 5 problems. IF I need 2 .45 rounds, then I can resolve 7 problems.

Hmm.

Lots of ifs. I'm sufficiently accurate with both and both are very very similar in size and feel. So it really is coming down to caliber.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:16 PM (d1uFV)

26 "Am I a retard?"

We're posting on Ace of Spades. Does this question need asking?

Posted by: Robert at November 10, 2019 07:17 PM (SPTY4)

27 Hey Mark!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:17 PM (NWiLs)

28 Love the Gun Thread! Nice to see some good sense gun ownership on the 'net.

BTW, I don't own a gun myself (not anti-, just cautious and nervous) but I'm getting into archery. Anyone else enjoy shooting pointy sticks?

Posted by: Rosa Erik at November 10, 2019 07:18 PM (2hJEH)

29 "Am I a retard?"

We're posting on Ace of Spades. Does this question need asking?

Posted by: Robert at November 10, 2019 07:17 PM (SPTY4)
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So, a self-evident truth?

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

30 Oh right, cleaning...

Um, I buy guns that don't require frequent cleaning. I will go thousands of rounds between cleanings for my Glocks and XDs.

The PPQ and .22's get cleaned more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:18 PM (d1uFV)

31 Evening all. 2nd week of no bang switch. Withdrawals have started to subside.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 07:18 PM (s2OJe)

32 15
I hit a road runner with the wife's car here in Texas. They are not as fast as they are portrayed in the cartoons.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS)

Do you drive an Acme?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 10, 2019 07:11 PM (aKsyK)

I hit a roadrunner in New Mexico a couple of months ago. Kenworth.

Posted by: Robert doesn't understand why that fucking coyote had such difficulty at November 10, 2019 07:19 PM (SPTY4)

33 Oh, heck. ANOTHER rookie mistake.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at November 10, 2019 07:19 PM (J6P5a)

34 The M1 looks beautiful. Personal taste, of course, but just a light wipe of neatsfoot on the sling would add a certain cachet.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 10, 2019 07:19 PM (sHVgQ)

35 I'm not sure if I believe that Jerry Michulek video. He probably wouldn't put up with fully automatic weapons. They would just slow him down.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 07:19 PM (bmdz3)

36 28 Love the Gun Thread! Nice to see some good sense gun ownership on the 'net.

BTW, I don't own a gun myself (not anti-, just cautious and nervous) but I'm getting into archery. Anyone else enjoy shooting pointy sticks?
Posted by: Rosa Erik at November 10, 2019 07:18 PM (2hJEH)

Haven't done much archery lately. Did some as a kid and have shot a bow every now and again.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:19 PM (NWiLs)

37 This week was Enfield No.2 Mk 1 ( with asterisk) revolver week. One made in 1942 and one made in 1944.

Chambered in 38 Smith and Wesson, both are good shooters and very accurate. Light recoil and top break action add to the fun. The one I have from 1944 came via Pakistan where it was a police revolver. Hopefully it was put to good use during a muzzie riot or two.

Absolutely correct Weasel about the stored firearms cleaning and new barrel break in.

K.I.S.S There is no "magic" process other than good, old common sense.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 10, 2019 07:20 PM (Z+IKu)

38 Lots of ifs. I'm sufficiently accurate with both
and both are very very similar in size and feel. So it really is coming
down to caliber.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:16 PM (d1uFV)

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The terrible "ifs" accumulate. (Bonus points if you get the reference.)

I'm a big fan of 9mm, but I'll say go with .45 if the size washes out.

I'm somewhat amazed that this can be the case, but I will take your word for it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:20 PM (cfSRQ)

39 Oh and I use CLP breakfree for everything, with a little Hoppes #9 on big carbon buildups. And a boresnake.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:20 PM (d1uFV)

40 There was an article in a recent gun magazine (American Rifleman?) That had a ridiculous week long cleaning regimen. Fvck that. I like.shooting, and to the extent that I clean my.guns it's for purely functional reasons and also to understand how they work.

Most of my guns are more accurate than I am...dirty, clean or somewhere in between.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Ask on the gun groups on how often you should clean a .22.

They'll reply, "what's that?"

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 07:20 PM (s2OJe)

41 CLP is the shizznit.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:21 PM (NWiLs)

42 Posted by: Rosa Erik at November 10, 2019 07:18 PM (2hJEH)
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Welcome Rosa! Nice to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

43 I hate cleaning my 1911. Compressing the main spring is a booger.
Always do it inside.
Don't ask me why I know this....

Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:21 PM (w7KSn)

44 Finished up my hunting season yesterday morning with a 401 yd uphill shot on a 3 X 4 mulie. Had him skinned, quartered and packed out to my truck by 9:20 am.

And my Ruger .257 Roberts is already immaculately cleaned, dried and lightly oiled and will sleep soundly in my gun safe til next April or May.

Posted by: Morphine2 at November 10, 2019 07:22 PM (cQz6u)

45
You know who no longer cleans his guns?

Yep.

Jeffery Epstein.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 10, 2019 07:22 PM (sy5kK)

46 38 Lots of ifs. I'm sufficiently accurate with both
and both are very very similar in size and feel. So it really is coming
down to caliber.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:16 PM (d1uFV)

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The terrible "ifs" accumulate. (Bonus points if you get the reference.)

I'm a big fan of 9mm, but I'll say go with .45 if the size washes out.

I'm somewhat amazed that this can be the case, but I will take your word for it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:20 PM (cfSRQ)

Sounds like Churchill?

I have Nurse Ratchet for a witness. Honestly, the XD45 handles recoil pretty well. Was shooting 115 gr Fiocci FMJ vs 230 Grain 45 FMJ.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:22 PM (d1uFV)

47 will a 22 take down a rabid pit bull charging at you ?

Posted by: Jasper Moore at November 10, 2019 07:22 PM (B+t5k)

48 They'll reply, "what's that?"

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 07:20 PM (s2OJe)

Heh...my .22s get cleaned the most because they seem to get dirty quickly.

My HK USP stays very clean for a long time..

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 10, 2019 07:23 PM (A3700)

49 And now a question:

For a while I've been shooting locally remanufactured ammo. The price is good, I like supporting a local business and it runs great.

Well, mostly. The only issue I have is that cleaning the bore afterwards is very challenging.

I'm assuming the jackets are leaving copper, because it really does not want to come out.

Part of the issue is that I used to use Hoppe's but the smell is too much for the other inhabitants of Chateau Lloyd. So I switched to Break-Free CLP (which I remember fondly from my Army days) and which overall works very well.

And it's not even every firearm, the issue seems to be with the PPQ. Is there a better solvent I should be using? I have a brush and bore snake, patches, i.e. all the standard toys. When I clean, I'm very thorough, which is why this bothers me.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:24 PM (cfSRQ)

50 27 Hey Mark!
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:17 PM (NWiLs)

Hey brother

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:24 PM (d1uFV)

51 Rosa,
I've been whacking critters with pointy sticks for 45 years.
It doesn't ever get old.

Posted by: MarkY at November 10, 2019 07:25 PM (HbhkC)

52 I loved and gassed the snowblower today. Doesn't that count? I do live in Upstate new york

Posted by: Big Cat at November 10, 2019 07:26 PM (Ps6Xq)

53 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:24 PM (d1uFV)

Good to see you resurfacing at the HQ.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:26 PM (NWiLs)

54 I should add that this problem is making me switch away from this brand once my stocks are exhausted.

I put 100 rounds through the PK380 and when I was done, the muzzle looked like I had dropped it into the mud.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)

55 Good pic of that M1, good angle, clean rifle.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 10, 2019 07:27 PM (AfYvi)

56 ' I loved and gassed the snowblower today. '

Must get pretty lonely up there in the winter.

Posted by: freaked at November 10, 2019 07:27 PM (Tnijr)

57 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:24 PM (cfSRQ)
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Have you tried bore paste at all? I wouldn't go all nutty with it, but you may find it helps with stubborn deposits. If you want a non-mechanical solution, try a product called Wipe-Out. Really good stuff. Spray the foam in the barrel, let it sit overnight, and wipe it out in the morning.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

58 Heh...my .22s get cleaned the most because they seem to get dirty quickly.

My HK USP stays very clean for a long time..

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

.22's are dirty. Fouling wise. Not too bad on leading. Took my dad's, now mine), Winchester 69A apart and gave it a deep cleaning. Rigle was built in '54.

Been shooting it a lot lately. It was the first gun I ever shot. Damn gun is more accurate than I am.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM (s2OJe)

59 Part of the issue is that I used to use Hoppe's but the smell is too much for the other inhabitants of Chateau Lloyd. So I switched to Break-Free CLP (which I remember fondly from my Army days) and which overall works very well.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:24 PM

Hoppe's No. 9 or Copper Terminator?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM (DMUuz)

60 Report: did my first batch of rentals as I consider a purchase. Tried 380s: S&W EZ, Ruger LCP 2, and Springfield 911 (suggested as a more economical alternative to Sig 23

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The sights on the LCP are not terribly useful. Just black with no high-vis dots or anything. I believe it's available with laser. First batch of bullets, it felt too small for a good grip, even with my tiny hands. Next batch, it seemed better. I guess I was adjusting to the size.

The Springfield popped shells on my head and didn't go bang every time I pulled the trigger. It seems like the magazine didn't hold the top bullet in perfect alignment for feeding, but that's just a guess. I loved the grip - - had a spiffy design and was easy to hang onto.

The S&W was the largest of the three and seems pretty foolproof. Not as comfortable to carry. I promised myself that I would shop carefully before buying, but this thing is on sale and I just want to buy it and be done with the shopping. I just don't have enough experience to tell what would be best for me, so I end up overwhelmed every time I go looking.

Guy at the range recommended that I try some 9mm next time: Glock 43, Sig p365, and S&W Shield.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM (i/wJA)

61 Hmm.

Lots of ifs. I'm sufficiently accurate with both and both are very very similar in size and feel. So it really is coming down to caliber.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:16 PM (d1uFV)
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My carry gun, full size 1911, 8 rounds, with 1 spare mag.

If my problems can't be solved with that amount of ammo, I should have brought a rifle, because I'm in some sort of urban fire fight and screwed up.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM (WEBkv)

62 Posted by:�Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd�at November 10, 2019 07:24 PM (cfSRQ)

The PPQ is a crappy gun. You shouldn't shoot it. I will take it off your hands for a few hundred dollars.

[I love...love...love! My PPQ. It is also amazingly accurate...rivalling my Colt Gold Cup]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM (A3700)

63 MY SHIT IS VERY LUBED!!!

Posted by: SHEP! at November 10, 2019 07:29 PM (oVJmc)

64 M-16A2 would glisten with the CLP when I was done with it.
Armorer would give me stink-eye because it would dampen his fingers. Oddly, I got reamed for a lot of things but no one ever gave me shiite about too much CLP.

Was asked once, why?
Like seasoning a cast iron pan.

Anyway... just put a light coat of oil all my meager collection.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 10, 2019 07:29 PM (1g7ch)

65 Hoppe's No. 9 or Copper Terminator?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM (DMUuz)

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Love potion number 9. I'm figuring on getting something at the store tomorrow and am looking for ideas.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:29 PM (cfSRQ)

66 I wouldn't trust a 22 to take down a rabbit attacking you while you are in a boat and it's in the water.

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 07:30 PM (ZCEU2)

67 I love my 1911, but not as a carry gun.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:30 PM (NWiLs)

68 43 I hate cleaning my 1911. Compressing the main spring is a booger.
Always do it inside.
Don't ask me why I know this....
Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:21 PM (w7KSn)

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Do you have a bushing wrench? I need one for my Kimber as the recoil spring is rather stout.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:30 PM (WEBkv)

69 For new guns, other than running a cleaning patch through the barrel to get rid of shipping/storage greases and the like, no, I don't go through an extensive break in of a barrel.

For used older firearms new to me, some of which are a century old or better, I do clean them thoroughly down to the pores--even using electrolysis if necessary. The reason is that extensive pitting and other barrel defects such as inclusions can be covered by fouling. Often you can even get into rust covered by fouling and that is not good.

Haven't been to the range due to no doctors clearance to do so yet and still in the medical tests stage.l I have started to reload some .32 S&W Longs for the first time after I acquired a couple of revolvers--one new, the other is a century old Colt. For such an old cartridge, reloading information is remarkably scarce.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 07:30 PM (MItID)

70 68 43 I hate cleaning my 1911. Compressing the main spring is a booger.
Always do it inside.
Don't ask me why I know this....
Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:21 PM (w7KSn)

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Do you have a bushing wrench? I need one for my Kimber as the recoil spring is rather stout.
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:30 PM (WEBkv)

I don't want to admit now many times I've had the spring hit the ceiling during my efforts to put it back in.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:31 PM (NWiLs)

71 67 I love my 1911, but not as a carry gun.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:30 PM (NWiLs)
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eh, i've put thousands of rounds through my 1911, am comfortable with it and know it's extremely reliable.

Conceal carry isn't great, but, considering how well I know it, I'm willing to make the trade-off.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:32 PM (WEBkv)

72 60. Forgot to mention that my aim was pretty good side-to-side, but otherwise often low. My shopping buddy said I might not be pulling the trigger straight back. I tried to correct, but couldn't get a feel for how I was pulling. My first batch of bullets through the SW EZ were pretty good, but things went downhill after that, even on my next two batches through the SW.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:32 PM (i/wJA)

73 The PPQ is a crappy gun. You shouldn't shoot it. I will take it off your hands for a few hundred dollars.

[I love...love...love! My PPQ. It is also amazingly accurate...rivalling my Colt Gold Cup]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM (A3700)

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I'm very happy with mine. I got it when the local Gander Mountain was being liquidated and I couldn't turn down the discount plus the rebate.

I almost wonder if using some peppy loads might help. I always used to put a few magnums through my Colt at the end of a range session to clean the bore.

Not sure if it worked, but it was a nice way to wrap it up.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:33 PM (cfSRQ)

74 I don't want to admit now many times I've had the spring hit the ceiling during my efforts to put it back in.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:31 PM (NWiLs)
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Heh.

I got a cut over my eye from a recoil spring that got away.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:33 PM (WEBkv)

75 "Part of the issue is that I used to use Hoppe's but the smell is too much . . ."

That, Sir, is blasphemy, and maybe even hate speech. There is no more beautiful aroma in the world than Old Number 9.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 10, 2019 07:33 PM (Ocq9w)

76 Since I shoot black powder I'm a bit obsessive about gun cleaning. That's necessity. But I like all the guns cleaned and lubed properly so they only require a dry patch down the bore to make them usable.

I have started using Renaissance Wax on the exterior of most of my guns. That began with the muzzleloaders. Now I'm using it on all the rifles.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 07:33 PM (bmdz3)

77 I don't want to admit now many times I've had the spring hit the ceiling during my efforts to put it back in.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:31 PM (NWiLs)

BOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOIOINNNNGGGGGG!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Spring at November 10, 2019 07:34 PM (SPTY4)

78 I got a cut over my eye from a recoil spring that got away.
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:33 PM (WEBkv)

Ouch!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:34 PM (NWiLs)

79 This guy - TiborasaurusRex - has a great channel that gets into the minutiae of precision shooting and cleaning. Good stuff if that is yer thang!

Posted by: Doc Samson at November 10, 2019 07:35 PM (ZZtOH)

80 Posted by: The Spring at November 10, 2019 07:34 PM (SPTY4)

Stuff it, you.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:35 PM (NWiLs)

81 Good pic of that M1, good angle, clean rifle.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 10, 2019 07:27 PM

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The last time I played the CMP M1 Garand lottery I got an outstanding clean late production rifle. 1957 Springfield that appeared to have never been issued. Not sure why they did not pull that one off for auction as it had an outstanding stock and didn't have a single pit or mark on any metal on the rifle. The bore was mint and bright and it shot the best of any M1 I had ever owned.

Sadly I had to sell it last year when I destroyed my shoulder and couldn't shoot it anymore.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2019 07:35 PM (JUOKG)

82 55 Good pic of that M1, good angle, clean rifle.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 10, 2019 07:27 PM (AfYvi)
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Thank you.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:35 PM (WEBkv)

83 25, Regarding the XD 45 v. XD 9. I have an XD-45 and it is the most accurate handgun that I own, bar none. Others have had the same result and the brass in .45 lasts forever. The recoil in the .45 is not bad and more like a rolling push. .45 ACP is also a snap to reload and cast lead works quite well in the XD45 compared with a Glock stock barrel.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 07:35 PM (MItID)

84 23 _ThanX! Blake. CMP does clean 'em up nice

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver@bresnan.net at November 10, 2019 07:35 PM (n2qq8)

85 "Part of the issue is that I used to use Hoppe's but the smell is too much . . ."
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There is something terribly wrong with your olfactories.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 10, 2019 07:36 PM (sHVgQ)

86 66 I wouldn't trust a 22 to take down a rabbit attacking you while you are in a boat and it's in the water.
Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 07:30 PM (ZCEU2)

Sounds like the set up to a very good comedy horror movie.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 10, 2019 07:38 PM (ycWCI)

87 I don't want to admit now many times I've had the spring hit the ceiling during my efforts to put it back in.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:31 PM (NWiLs)

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Getting the bushing back on the Dreyse M1907 is a real trial of strength. I haven't taken mine apart since the last session. I got a big magnet on a lanyard as a precaution.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:38 PM (cfSRQ)

88 The best advantage the 1911 has (as a carry weapon), is, the damn thing looks intimidating as hell.
I know brandishing is illegal, but at least once I had to persuade some young robbers that the old guy may not be such a good target for their little hobby.
It worked. Glad I didn't have to discharge the thing.
Might be a good topic for a future thread.
Is it brandishing if you don't have to fire it?

Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:38 PM (w7KSn)

89 On another note, I was in a gun store recently and was smitten by the Taurus Tracker 692 with the 6" barrel.

Comes with two cylinders, one for 357 mag/38 Special and the other for 9 mil.

Next month I order.

Mrs. Blake has okayed the purchase. which is good.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:38 PM (WEBkv)

90 The sights on the LCP are not terribly useful. Just black with no high-vis dots or anything. I believe it's available with laser. First batch of bullets, it felt too small for a good grip, even with my tiny hands. Next batch, it seemed better. I guess I was adjusting to the size.

...

Guy at the range recommended that I try some 9mm next time: Glock 43, Sig p365, and S&W Shield.
Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM

Get the Hogue grip that attaches for the LCP. It makes a world of difference. The sights aren't as nice as the (out of production) LCP Pro, but better than the original LCP.

Sig 365 is a fine choice.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 10, 2019 07:40 PM (DMUuz)

91 Sounds like the set up to a very good comedy horror movie.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 10, 2019 07:38 PM (ycWCI)

true story

Posted by: not so at November 10, 2019 07:40 PM (HALdu)

92 Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM (i/wJA)
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Sounds like good advice from the range guys. Don't get discouraged, Emmie!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

93 There is something terribly wrong with your olfactories.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 10, 2019 07:36 PM (sHVgQ)

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My wife can't even go down the detergent aisle without getting a migraine and it's pretty much automatic.

She didn't used to mind it but a few years ago got sensitive to just about everything. We joke that she should be a super hero: The Canary. Super Power: at the approach of danger, slumps over.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:40 PM (cfSRQ)

94 The PPQ is so accurate it's like magic

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:40 PM (d1uFV)

95 91 Sounds like the set up to a very good comedy horror movie.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 10, 2019 07:38 PM (ycWCI)

true story

Didn't they already do Night of the Lepus?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:41 PM (NWiLs)

96 ' Sounds like the set up to a very good comedy horror movie.

Posted by: Aetius451AD

true story'

A nightmare.

Posted by: Jimmy at November 10, 2019 07:42 PM (Tnijr)

97 You go in the boat?

Boat goes in the water?

Rabbits in the water.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 10, 2019 07:42 PM (ycWCI)

98 > Do any of you live or shoot in winter climates where you need to consider air temperature in your lubrication choices?
The Army has a special "Lubricant, Arctic Weapon (LAW)" that they recommend for use when the temperature is lower than 10 degrees F.
I've never seen any or heard of anyone using it in civilian applications, though (I live in Alaska).
I suspect that today's synthetic oils and greases are way better at this than the old school stuff is. Certainly that's true for car engine oils...

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 10, 2019 07:42 PM (tJvHx)

99 My wife can't even go down the detergent aisle without getting a migraine and it's pretty much automatic.

She didn't used to mind it but a few years ago got sensitive to just about everything. We joke that she should be a super hero: The Canary. Super Power: at the approach of danger, slumps over.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:40 PM (cfSRQ)

That sucks. I can't do perfume aisles or use detergents with any heavy scent.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:42 PM (NWiLs)

100 Having built a 5.56 for Mrs928, I thought I better join the club and since I like milsurps, I got a demilled M6A1 kit and built it out.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJhqaFg

It's not real super retro as I put one of my pony A2 pattern receivers on it and replaced the slip ring with a delta ring. I also didn't like the A1 triangular handguard so I tried the A2 round ones and it is much better. I have a 1/12 phosphated barrel but didn't use it. I went with a new manufacture 1/7 nitrided barrel instead. I've got about $500 in it and just need to decide whether to paint the upper to match the lower or not.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 10, 2019 07:42 PM (yQpMk)

101 Is it brandishing if you don't have to fire it?
Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:38 PM (w7KSn)

I'm not a lawyer and the is whatever two or three lawyers decide the law is but....taking your pistol out to deter a crime shouldn't be brandishing. Brandishing should be using it to intimidate someone who's not being an asshole towards you.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:42 PM (d1uFV)

102 true story'

A nightmare.
Posted by: Jimmy at November 10, 2019 07:42 PM (Tnijr)

Posted by: not so at November 10, 2019 07:42 PM (HALdu)

103 "47 will a 22 take down a rabid pit bull charging at you ?"
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I suspect not until it's had a chance to seriously maul you. A farm vetinarian with experience with rabies ( he once had to deal with a rabid bull) here in rural PA told me that if I expected to stop a rabid animal even racoon sized to use the biggest gun I could. Rabies affects the central nervous system and an infected critter feels no pain. You need to break them down to stop them.

Posted by: Cosda at November 10, 2019 07:43 PM (vYbbI)

104 My wife can't even go down the detergent aisle without getting a migraine and it's pretty much automatic.

She
didn't used to mind it but a few years ago got sensitive to just about
everything. We joke that she should be a super hero: The Canary. Super
Power: at the approach of danger, slumps over.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:40 PM

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I am the same way now. Walk by some old lady heavy with perfume at Walmart and it's like I was back in the tear gas chamber in Boot Camp. It's horrible

I literally can't go into the aisle with detergent or air freshener, my eyes start burning. The wife has to go in there and buy our stuff.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2019 07:44 PM (JUOKG)

105 I know brandishing is illegal, but at least once I had to persuade some young robbers that the old guy may not be such a good target for their little hobby.
It worked. Glad I didn't have to discharge the thing.
Might be a good topic for a future thread.
Is it brandishing if you don't have to fire it?
Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:38 PM (w7KSn)
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If you were in fear for your life then it wasn't brandishing. It's not uncommon for would be thugs to become extremely peaceful and walk away once they realize they have skin in the game.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:44 PM (WEBkv)

106 > That sucks. I can't do perfume aisles or use detergents with any heavy scent.

I'm not sensitive to such things as such (and my sympathies to those who are), but I hate it nonetheless.
They've even started putting scent in friggin' trash bags nowadays.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 10, 2019 07:45 PM (tJvHx)

107 Is it brandishing if you don't have to fire it?

Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:38 PM (w7KSn)

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Not a lawyer.

That being said, if you have a sincere and rational fear for your life or the life of another, then it isn't brandishing.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:45 PM (cfSRQ)

108 That sucks. I can't do perfume aisles or use detergents with any heavy scent.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:42 PM (NWiLs)
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Same here.

Stuff like Hoppes doesn't bother me but heavy perfumes of any sort really drive my allergies nuts.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:46 PM (WEBkv)

109 Woot, over a hundred comments, we can talk about guns!

..oh, wait...

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:47 PM (WEBkv)

110 "Hey old man, give us your wallet"
"OK, I got it right here."

Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:47 PM (w7KSn)

111 1911's? Technology is over 100 years old. Great guns still to this day but there are better options.

Posted by: Guzalot at November 10, 2019 07:48 PM (Rz36l)

112 I suspect not until it's had a chance to seriously
maul you. A farm vetinarian with experience with rabies ( he once had
to deal with a rabid bull) here in rural PA told me that if I expected
to stop a rabid animal even racoon sized to use the biggest gun I
could. Rabies affects the central nervous system and an infected critter
feels no pain. You need to break them down to stop them.

Posted by: Cosda at November 10, 2019 07:43 PM (vYbbI)

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I agree. In theory, shot placement could drop the doggeh, but my weapon of choice would be a shotgun in that scenario.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:48 PM (cfSRQ)

113 Guy at the range recommended that I try some 9mm next time: Glock 43, Sig p365, and S&W Shield.
Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM

Get the Hogue grip that attaches for the LCP. It makes a world of difference. The sights aren't as nice as the (out of production) LCP Pro, but better than the original LCP.

Sig 365 is a fine choice.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 10, 2019 07:40 PM (DMUuz)

I had purchased sra blaster a Kel-tec PF-9 for Valentine's a few years ago because I am romantic like that. It ended up being a bit too snappy for her, and she had a hard time racking the slide.

So for her birthday this year I got her a Sig P365. She loves that thing. About twice the price of a Kel-tec but way more than twice the gun. Spoil yourself.

Posted by: blaster at November 10, 2019 07:48 PM (ZfRYq)

114 No.9 smells like home.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 10, 2019 07:49 PM (AfYvi)

115 Home, home on the range
where the Colt and the Remington play
where seldom is heard a liberal word
and Epstein didn't kill himself, no way

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 10, 2019 07:49 PM (L2ZTs)

116 No. 9 smells like freedom!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 07:49 PM (WMzpv)

117 Cleaning:
Carb cleaner first pass, CLP second pass.
Mobil Fully Synthetic 10-30 for the final lube.

Stay away from Frog Lube. Has a great smell. Sucks for lube. Gums up and becomes sticky.
Had to tear down, full clean and re-lube with oil.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 07:50 PM (s2OJe)

118 I read this past week. .45 bullets pack more of a wallop than .9mm.

Hmmm.....

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 10, 2019 07:50 PM (L2ZTs)

119 I'm not a huge 1911 fan but if it's reliable and accurate and you'll carry it, go for it. It's better than a revolver

*ducks*
*hides*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:51 PM (d1uFV)

120 Duncanthrax and Blaster, thanks for the comments regarding the Sig. Makes me think it would be worthwhile to do at least one more set of rentals before I buy.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:51 PM (i/wJA)

121 My carry gun, full size 1911, 8 rounds, with 1 spare mag.

If my problems can't be solved with that amount of ammo, I should have brought a rifle, because I'm in some sort of urban fire fight and screwed up.
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:28 PM

*nods in agreement*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 10, 2019 07:51 PM (rBtIz)

122 O/T but not really. The foster son of he terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn has been elected DA.

We just jumped from frying pan into the fire.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 10, 2019 07:51 PM (0e/Gz)

123 116
No. 9 smells like freedom!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 07:49 PM (WMzpv)

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No, gunsmoke smells like freedom.

Also a powerful aphrodisiac for country girls.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:52 PM (cfSRQ)

124
Stay away from Frog Lube. Has a great smell. Sucks for lube. Gums up and becomes sticky.
Had to tear down, full clean and re-lube with oil.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 07:50 PM (s2OJe)
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Is that the product where you're supposed to heat the metal first? Sounded goofy so I never tried it.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 07:52 PM (WMzpv)

125 118 I read this past week. .45 bullets pack more of a wallop than .9mm.

Hmmm.....
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 10, 2019 07:50 PM (L2ZTs)
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.22 packs more wallop than a .9mm.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:52 PM (WEBkv)

126 and Epstein didn't kill himself, no way
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 10, 2019 07:49 PM (L2ZTs)

Heh!

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (i/wJA)

127 I read this past week. .45 bullets pack more of a wallop than .9mm.

Hmmm.....
Posted by: qdpsteve

.45 - 230 gr

9mm - 115 gr

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (s2OJe)

128 "We just jumped from frying pan into the fire."

Right you are.

Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (w7KSn)

129 We just jumped from frying pan into the fire.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 10, 2019 07:51 PM (0e/Gz)

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Alternatively, the corruption is now out in the open. That's not a bad thing.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (cfSRQ)

130 Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:51 PM (i/wJA)
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Absolutely try the Sig!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (WMzpv)

131 I don't know Weasel, down the road I think you might need to take some of your irons fishing. Democrats are thinking of big things in Virginia.

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (ZCEU2)

132 111 "1911's? Technology is over 100 years old. Great guns still to this day but there are better options."

Just what is with all the hate speech tonight? Hoppe's? 1911s? Next thing you know, somebody will badmouth the Ma Deuce!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (Ocq9w)

133 > The foster son of he terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn has been elected DA.

Is that the one who's the spawn of some of their dead/imprisoned commie friends from the Weather Underground?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 10, 2019 07:54 PM (tJvHx)

134 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:20 PM (cfSRQ)

Is the bonus "ifs" the famed Spartan laconicism?

Posted by: clutch at November 10, 2019 07:54 PM (Z3oWA)

135 129 We just jumped from frying pan into the fire.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 10, 2019 07:51 PM (0e/Gz)

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Alternatively, the corruption is now out in the open. That's not a bad thing.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (cfSRQ)

Also proof that the first two boxes have failed.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:54 PM (d1uFV)

136 Is that the product where you're supposed to heat the metal first? Sounded goofy so I never tried it.
Posted by: Weasel

Don't know about that. It was touted as a clp type protectant.

CLP - Clean Lube Protect.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 07:54 PM (s2OJe)

137 Goddammit. I've tried ten times to give the text of Florida's brandishing statute, and I get the fucking red error screen of death, even after running it through the Quote Unfucker.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:54 PM (NWiLs)

138 Also proof that the first two boxes have failed.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 07:54 PM (d1uFV)

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I think your sentence is missing the word, "more."

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:55 PM (WEBkv)

139 Let's try it a slightly different way:

If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:55 PM (NWiLs)

140 Is the bonus "ifs" the famed Spartan laconicism?

Posted by: clutch at November 10, 2019 07:54 PM (Z3oWA)

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It was Churchill. He used the phrase "the terrible ifs accumulate" in describing the march to war in 1914.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:56 PM (cfSRQ)

141 The cite is Florida Statute 790.10 if anyone gives a shit.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:57 PM (NWiLs)

142 What is the deal with fragrance sensitivity? I have that problem as well, but it seems to have become common all of a sudden. Is it socially contagious? I'm fairly immune to social influences. There are ladies at church I cannot hug until after I am done singing, and if a student in the back row of one of my classes applies hand lotion, I end up coughing my way through my lecture.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:57 PM (i/wJA)

143 If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:55 PM (NWiLs)
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wow, that's a pretty clear statute. What in the world was that politician thinking?

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:58 PM (WEBkv)

144 Just what is with all the hate speech tonight? Hoppe's? 1911s? Next thing you know, somebody will badmouth the Ma Deuce!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (Ocq9w)

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I don't think anyone's expressed hatred for Hoppe's. I sure don't, but due to chemical sensitivity, I can't use it indoors. For a time I tried to use it just in the basement, but that's where the laundry is, so the only time I break it out is when it's nice and I can clean out of the verandah.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 07:58 PM (cfSRQ)

145 That sucks. I can't do perfume aisles or use detergents with any heavy scent.

I'm not sensitive to such things as such (and my sympathies to those who are), but I hate it nonetheless.
They've even started putting scent in friggin' trash bags nowadays.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

........
Same here. Every friggin thing is scented these days! OPne sniff and I stuff up like I've got a cold..
Heavy women's perfume is the worst, but luckily that seems not to be in fashion as much these days..
The worst thing is.. I cannot find a scentless deodorant any longer.. how ironic is that???

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 10, 2019 07:58 PM (438dO)

146 142 What is the deal with fragrance sensitivity? I have that problem as well, but it seems to have become common all of a sudden. Is it socially contagious? I'm fairly immune to social influences. There are ladies at church I cannot hug until after I am done singing, and if a student in the back row of one of my classes applies hand lotion, I end up coughing my way through my lecture.
Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:57 PM (i/wJA)

Wasn't sudden for me. Going through the perfume aisle would mess me up even as a kid.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

147 131 I don't know Weasel, down the road I think you might need to take some of your irons fishing. Democrats are thinking of big things in Virginia.
Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (ZCEU2)
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Yeah. That's been a long time coming. I'm not overly excited about it yet. That's kind of a red line for me.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

148

I do a lot of waterfowling,so my shotgun endures water, mud and general junk that will foul a weapon with an oily surface--not to mention the cold.

I found that a thorough cleaning beforehand and then a VERY liberal application of spray silicon lube to be the solution .
Nothing sticks to the metal, and the moving parts feel like butter, they're so slick.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 10, 2019 08:01 PM (KATBx)

149 wow, that's a pretty clear statute. What in the world was that politician thinking?
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 07:58 PM (WEBkv)

Florida has some of the most clearly-drafted, and certainly best-organized, of any state I've had to research. New York laws are a Mongolian clusterfuck. Nothing is where it belongs, and you may have to look in six different places to find all the statutes relevant to a given topic.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:01 PM (NWiLs)

150 *statutes of any state

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:01 PM (NWiLs)

151 What is the deal with fragrance sensitivity? I have
that problem as well, but it seems to have become common all of a
sudden. Is it socially contagious? I'm fairly immune to social
influences. There are ladies at church I cannot hug until after I am
done singing, and if a student in the back row of one of my classes
applies hand lotion, I end up coughing my way through my lecture.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:57 PM (i/wJA)

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I think it's chemical overload.

Things used to smell like themselves, but then they decided to really layer it in. Plus scents are entirely synthetic because it's cheaper.

Also: made in China, so contain lead or cyanide or something.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:01 PM (cfSRQ)

152 i was having issues with my Ruger sr1911 feeding the first round of any magazine into the chamber if that magazine was full to capacity. maximum capacity minus one, no problem. so I did some research and found that I haven't been keeping the grooves on the frame and slide clear of built up residue. this video from Wilson Combat is what clued me in. once I double checked the grooves, cleaned and lubed them, no problem anymore.

https://youtu.be/fW1pJvi5yIw

Posted by: BifBewalski at November 10, 2019 08:02 PM (VcFUs)

153 131 I don't know Weasel, down the road I think you might need to take some of your irons fishing. Democrats are thinking of big things in Virginia.
Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 07:53 PM (ZCEU2)
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Yeah. That's been a long time coming. I'm not overly excited about it yet. That's kind of a red line for me.

Same here. Molon Labe, Coonface!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 10, 2019 08:02 PM (Ocq9w)

154 http://bit.ly/33Axfzt
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Nikki Haley: Kelly, Tillerson Tried to Run the Country Behind Trump's Back | Breitbart
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I know it's the Gun Thread & all, But Pretty big

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 10, 2019 08:02 PM (BqBId)

155 1911's? Technology is over 100 years old. Great guns still to this day but there are better options.
Posted by: Guzalot at November 10, 2019 07:48 PM (Rz36l)

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Trebuchets use 600 year-old technology and they still work great.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 10, 2019 08:03 PM (XVuno)

156

Same here. Molon Labe, Coonface!
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 10, 2019 08:02 PM (Ocq9w)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

157 120, Emmie,
This is my two cents, unsolicited. Ideally you should be able to get your distal joint (first joint centered on the trigger blade. Using the pad, while a lot of target shooters do this, can be an issue when combat shooting. If you have to shoot a firearm such as a double action/single, or a revolver, you pretty much should use the power crease (distal joint) as the heavy trigger pull combined with using the pad will result in dismal accuracy unless you have very strong hands.

When holding the firearm in your master grip (either right or left handed), it should be in a straight line with your forearm bones. If not, then you will not handle recoil as well and may pull your shots subsequently.

When a handgun does not fit the hand of someone, then it will not shoot as well for that person as one that does fit. Changeable backstraps can help but everyone's physiology is different so different models of the same such as Glock can fit your hand better in some cases and worse in others. That goes for Sigs, etc.

There are a few firearms that pretty much have universal fits--the Browning High Power is one, the 1911 with its changeable grips generally fits most hands if you pick the appropriate model.

A few models are really good for big hands, the Beretta 92 is one and a few, often single stacks, are good for shooters with short fingers. Rent until you find the ideal unless you want a bunch of handguns around the place.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:03 PM (MItID)

158 Florida has some of the most clearly-drafted, and
certainly best-organized, of any state I've had to research. New York
laws are a Mongolian clusterfuck. Nothing is where it belongs, and you
may have to look in six different places to find all the statutes
relevant to a given topic.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:01 PM (NWiLs)

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Florida laws were drafted to apply to Florida Man and Florida Woman.

So it's a given that the target audience has limited cognitive ability.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:04 PM (cfSRQ)

159 Florida has some of the most clearly-drafted, and certainly best-organized, of any state I've had to research. New York laws are a Mongolian clusterfuck. Nothing is where it belongs, and you may have to look in six different places to find all the statutes relevant to a given topic.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:01 PM (NWiLs)
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Could be worse, could be CA.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
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160 What is the deal with fragrance sensitivity? I have
that problem as well, but it seems to have become common all of a
sudden. Is it socially contagious? I'm fairly immune to social
influences. There are ladies at church I cannot hug until after I am
done singing, and if a student in the back row of one of my classes
applies hand lotion, I end up coughing my way through my lecture.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 07:57 PM

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It hit me in the last 5 or so years. Never really bothered me before then, but now....I can't stand the stuff. And cigarette smoke will drive me from a room in seconds. And I used to smoke.

My wife put hand lotion on in the car last week and my eyes started burning and running.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2019 08:04 PM (JUOKG)

161 So it's a given that the target audience has limited cognitive ability.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:04 PM (cfSRQ)

🖕

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:05 PM (NWiLs)

162 Could be worse, could be CA.
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 08:04 PM (WEBkv)

CA's a mess from what I understand. And they regulate the bejeezus out of EVERYTHING.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:06 PM (NWiLs)

163 I can't stand the stuff. And cigarette smoke will drive me from a room in seconds. And I used to smoke.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2019 08:04 PM (JUOKG)

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I grew up with two smokers in the house. Didn't even notice. Probably got a contact buzz off it in the car.

But now I gag whenever I'm near it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:06 PM (cfSRQ)

164 Could be worse, could be CA.
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You laugh, but the mess that is the CA legal system is what lets CA attorneys charge $500 an hour.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 10, 2019 08:08 PM (XVuno)

165 161 So it's a given that the target audience has limited cognitive ability.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:04 PM (cfSRQ)

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That made me laugh.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
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166 Lost a good friend and brother last night, retired Houston motorcycle cop hired on in 1955, so tonight I'm having a double Ezra Brooks for him and for the Marine Corps. Weasel, you're making me pine for a Garand and there's so many other things I need first like a thermal scope and a good set of NVG. and maybe some new glasses.

Posted by: Eromero at November 10, 2019 08:08 PM (UUkQp)

167 Just to close the circle, is the consensus that I should try a copper solvent?

I've been trying to manually scrub it out but that seems to take forever. Is an overnight soak in Break Free CLP an option?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:08 PM (cfSRQ)

168 You laugh, but the mess that is the CA legal system is what lets CA attorneys charge $500 an hour.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 10, 2019 08:08 PM (XVuno)

Bet they charge a hell of a lot more than that, if they're any kind of brand name.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:09 PM (NWiLs)

169 I smoked & Quit cold Turkey when someone lights one up near men it smells good, the 1st & then when I get home & smell like an ashtray I wanna barf

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 10, 2019 08:09 PM (BqBId)

170 CA's a mess from what I understand. And they regulate the bejeezus out of EVERYTHING.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:06 PM (NWiLs)

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Under Prop 65 this blog should have a warning label about cancer-causing opinions.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 10, 2019 08:09 PM (XVuno)

171 Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at November 10, 2019 08:10 PM (arJlL)

172 Posted by: Eromero at November 10, 2019 08:08 PM (UUkQp)
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Sorry to hear about your loss, Eromero.

And get yourself a Garand.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:10 PM (WMzpv)

173 Pixy did not like me trying to copy and paste your little fickle finger of fate, mr insom.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 08:10 PM (WEBkv)

174 Bet they charge a hell of a lot more than that, if they're any kind of brand name.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:09 PM (NWiLs)

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Yep. $1200 is the cutting edge of avarice right now, AFAIK.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 10, 2019 08:10 PM (XVuno)

175 170 CA's a mess from what I understand. And they regulate the bejeezus out of EVERYTHING.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:06 PM (NWiLs)

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Under Prop 65 this blog should have a warning label about cancer-causing opinions.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 10, 2019 08:09 PM (XVuno)

Chemotherapy infusion medications have been found by the State of California to contain substances that may cause cancer.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:11 PM (NWiLs)

176 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:08 PM (cfSRQ)
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Look for a product called Wipe Out. Amazing stuff. Spray in as a foam and patch out in the morning.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:11 PM (WMzpv)

177 Last time I had my 1911 broke down I didn't have any trouble getting the spring back, but then that's why I need to get it out to see if it needs replacement. It is 35 years old.

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 08:12 PM (ZCEU2)

178 173 Pixy did not like me trying to copy and paste your little fickle finger of fate, mr insom.
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 08:10 PM (WEBkv)

Yeah, if you don't actually type the code out, it won't show up.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:12 PM (NWiLs)

179 Modern firearms deer season starts Wednesday. Glad I put all the time in on the backcountry and stand in over the last two months. Game cam video shows the deer love the salt on the stumps.

Washed all the camo with the no smell detergent. Decided I'd use the savage 30-06 and went down stairs to the armory. For all the reloading I do, I didn't have anything other than HPBT. Finally found a box of soft point tucked away.

I feeling a little under the weather. Probably will peak about 5 am Wednesday.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:12 PM (LVpEN)

180 CA's a mess from what I understand. And they regulate the bejeezus out of EVERYTHING.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:06 PM (NWiLs)
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Yeah, and if it isn't regulated, it's because CA hasn't figured out how yet.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
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181 Can't keep up with the time difference between here and home. Gotta call it a night. ThanX! Weasel and everyone. TTFN

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver@bresnan.net at November 10, 2019 08:12 PM (n2qq8)

182 Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:12 PM (LVpEN)
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Damn, bro. Your timing sucks.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:14 PM (WMzpv)

183 167, Breakfree is not a copper solvent. Try M-Pro 7 Copper first as it is a non-toxic and pretty much odorless copper solvent. Sweets is the old line std. but have to follow directions explicitly or risk damaging the barrel. I've heard good things about BoreTech but pretty much use M-Pro 7, Hopps -9 which does remove some copper fouling, or if it is bad enough, electrolysis.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:14 PM (MItID)

184 Posted by: McGyver@bresnan.net at November 10, 2019 08:12 PM (n2qq

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You're welcome! 'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:15 PM (WMzpv)

185 creeper is safely home. She was the epitomie of grace, beauty, and fitness. She is classy. My wife enjoyed her company.

We went to Crystal Bridges Art Museum after a great breakfast at The Buttered Biscuit. We saw some paintings already featured on the art thread, and plenty of modern art that should not be on that thread.

Creeper got special permission to bring a weapon with her as she went through the galleries. She was obviously the only one with that permission.

The guards at the Crystal Bridges Art Museum kept track of her, and if they did not listen to the radios, quickly approached us, only to back off just as quickly. She was "the one".

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 10, 2019 08:15 PM (dA5JH)

186 Can't believe I almost forgot to give Weasel his
*SMOOCH*

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:15 PM (NWiLs)

187 Evo Morales Of Bolivia Has Fled Hahaha

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 10, 2019 08:15 PM (BqBId)

188 My wife put hand lotion on in the car last week and my eyes started burning and running.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2019 08:04 PM (JUOKG)

Maybe it's a new ingredient in fragranced products.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 08:16 PM (i/wJA)

189 186 Can't believe I almost forgot to give Weasel his
*SMOOCH*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:15 PM (NWiLs)
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*brohug!*

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:16 PM (WMzpv)

190 Virginia's gone blue, Trump is booed at the Nationals game; However, he got a standing O at the Alabama/LSU game.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 10, 2019 08:17 PM (AfYvi)

191 If I might beg a bit,
I have been getting ready to reload for my two .32 S&W long revolvers and if anyone has a favorite formula, I am listening. I am trying the 98 gr. DEWC bullet with Hi-Tek coating from MBC--couple with new Starline brass. One is modern and the other is an old Colt New Police transition model with a long barrel that should be quite accurate. No barn burner loads please.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:17 PM (MItID)

192
Washed all the camo with the no smell detergent.
Decided I'd use the savage 30-06 and went down stairs to the armory.
For all the reloading I do, I didn't have anything other than HPBT.
Finally found a box of soft point tucked away.

I feeling a little under the weather. Probably will peak about 5 am Wednesday.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:12 PM (LVpEN)

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Our municipality has banned hunting. Without said ban, I could probably take deer with a snub-nose .38. They have zero fear of humans.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:18 PM (cfSRQ)

193 The guards at the Crystal Bridges Art Museum kept track of her, and if they did not listen to the radios, quickly approached us, only to back off just as quickly. She was "the one".
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 10, 2019 08:15 PM (dA5JH)

She wore sunglasses and a tailed jacket with a Nehru collar? Knows kung fu?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:18 PM (NWiLs)

194 my eyes started burning and running.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2019 08:04 PM (JUOKG)

Did ya catch 'em?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:18 PM (NWiLs)

195 Well I'm out, will be back at it at 4am
May your dreams end in gunsmoke

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2019 08:18 PM (ZCEU2)

196 Damn, bro. Your timing sucks.
Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:14 PM (WMzpv

Uhh, Weasel. That's *shifty eyes* the cover story.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:19 PM (LVpEN)

197 My snowthrower has been started - yep! Last spring I filled the tank and put in the 'Stabil' (or whatever the shop sold me to keep the gas good) and last week it fired right up.

Winter! Come at me!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Warm Yourself Up with Torrid Taunts from teh Outrage Outlet! at November 10, 2019 08:19 PM (MIvvh)

198 Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:19 PM (LVpEN)
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Oh! Right! Got it!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

199 After the miserable election results in Virginia, I've spent some time dealing with reloading matters this week. I suspect those fuckers in Richmond will attack the 2A through ammo sales. But I don't want to get a political discussion started here. Plenty of other threads for that. This is about preparation and reloading.

Powders: I did an inventory and was surprised at the results. I had powders I forgot getting. The point I researched was not just which powders but how versatile are they. Some powders can be used in many cartridges. If I run out of one powder, do I have another that can stand in for it. As an example, if I can't get Alliant 2400 powder, can I use AA #5 or #9 in its place? Yes, but you need the references that tell you how to figure the correct amounts.

Something especially important for rifle cases is case lube: how effective, how easy to apply and remove. Then there are primers and tools for them. You get the idea.

Just a few thoughts.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 08:20 PM (bmdz3)

200 'Night Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

201 The woman is watching some drivel on TV..."America's Most Musical Family", or something like that.
What a bunch of crap.
Clapping seals and Grrrlll Power to be had for everyone.

My head explodes.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 10, 2019 08:22 PM (ufFY8)

202 Bang!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 10, 2019 08:22 PM (tCf58)

203 Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:03 PM (MItID)

Whig, thanks. I will make notes.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 08:22 PM (i/wJA)

204 By the way, currently reading, "The Art of the Rifle" by Jeff Cooper.

Excellent read.

It even has a picture of "The Greatest Battle Implement Ever Devised" on the cover.

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205 Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 08:20 PM (bmdz3)
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Exactly. It's why I started harping on buying ammo and stocking up a while back. This shouldn't have come as a surprise.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

206 Exactly. It's why I started harping on buying ammo and stocking up a while back. This shouldn't have come as a surprise.
Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

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Yes, I've gone with the 10 to 1 replacement scenario. For every box of ammo I shoot, I buy ten to replace.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
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207 Nosler's break in for their guns 30 rounds, and lots of cleaning.

https://www.nosler.com/barrel-breakin-procedure

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 10, 2019 08:25 PM (tCf58)

208
Yes, I've gone with the 10 to 1 replacement scenario. For every box of ammo I shoot, I buy ten to replace.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
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Good plan. It's not too late now, but it may be sometime soon.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

209 199. If you subscribe to loaddata.com, you pretty much have the Handloader magazine database plus all of the reloading manuals from companies like Speer, Hornady, etc. and the powder folks.

Imperial case sizing wax, a dab will do you a long time. Major issue is that all semi-autos, are to some extent, hard on the brass. Brass can be carefully husbanded for revolvers and bolt actions and reloaded for a very long time--even longer if you only neck size your rifle ammo.

As far as king of the most useful powders, Unique would probably be my choice as you can fire everything from revolvers to rifles with it. Bullseye is probably another that pretty much works in most handguns with care.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:26 PM (MItID)

210 Insomniac

She may know kung fu. I worked to stay on her good side.

She did have shades, a leather jacket, and Edvard Munch "The Dream" socks.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 10, 2019 08:26 PM (dA5JH)

211 Mrs. Red has informed me that I cannot use her vehicle to take a deer carcass for registration. Jr. and I swapped cars for the week so I can get his inspected and registration renewed. He also declined to allow his car to be a deer hearse.

I may just have to Rambo it over my shoulders. Assuming success, of course.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:27 PM (LVpEN)

212 For my plinkers and fun guns, all I did was give them them a clean before shooting them, then off to the range or woods.
For my higher velocity\accuracy firearms - Ruger 1B in 7mmRM, Mod 70 rebarreled to .257 Wby, T/C S/S pistol barrels in .223 and 6.5 TC/U - I followed a friends advice on breaking in barrels that he got from shooting benchrest with his grandpa.
Load a 100 rounds of highest weight bullets at lowest velocity for given round.
Out to the range.
Shoot 1 round, clean barrel.
Shoot 3 rounds, clean barrel, repeat 3 times.
Shoot 5 rounds, clean barrel, repeat 4 times.
Shoot 10 rounds, clean barrel, repeat 7 times.
Downside - A lot of work.
Upside - A day at the range.
Personal Observation - All barrels are accurate, clean up nice after shooting, and remain accurate.
Sad Note: All were lost in tragic canoe capsizing, that and Epstein didn't kill himself.

Posted by: Fritzy at November 10, 2019 08:27 PM (VY+MJ)

213 "Do any of you live or shoot in winter climates where you need to consider air temperature in your lubrication choices?"

Modern lubes seem able to handle any weather conditions a civilian is likely to encounter. These are a more frequent consideration for muzzleloaders where lubed patches and greases needed to keep the guns functioning even with fouling are concerned. They are often more effected by temperature than modern items.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3)

214 Whig, the guns I tried were small enough that I could get my distal joint on the trigger.

Oddly enough, the first time I went shooting, I could barely reach the trigger and had no trouble with my shots being low. A few of them, however, listed to the right.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 08:27 PM (i/wJA)

215 Yeah, and if it isn't regulated, it's because CA hasn't figured out how yet.

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about only thing they don't regulate here in #Failifornia is stupidity...

THAT they encourage.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 10, 2019 08:28 PM (tCf58)

216 Emmie, a lot of shooting low is anticipation of the shot. Sort of pre-flinching by pushing the muzzle down as you shoot.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:31 PM (LVpEN)

217 Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3)
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Good point, thanks JTB.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

218 The guards at the Crystal Bridges Art Museum kept track of her, and if they did not listen to the radios, quickly approached us, only to back off just as quickly. She was "the one".
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 10, 2019 08:15 PM (dA5JH)

This is bringing back memories. We visited Creeper (and Piercello) on a multi-state trip, during which we visited Crystal Bridges, although not with Creeper.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 08:32 PM (i/wJA)

219 203, Emmie, Mas Ayoob's Guide to Combat Handgunnery 6th ed. which you can probably find used cheap on fleabay, has an excellent overview of most issues in combat handguns. The gun specific comments are a bit old but Mas has a great reputation as a firearms trainer and formerly did that job for his PD along with his gunwriting. He covers everything from A-Z dealing with concealed carry.

Cornered Cat (corneredcat.com) is a website by Kathy Jackson handles a lot of issues pertinent to females who carry including holster advice.

John Farnam, and his wife Vicki, also have a few books if still in print and he runs Defense Training International.

Personally, I have a variety of handguns but always shoot those that fit my hand the best.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:32 PM (MItID)

220 216 Emmie, a lot of shooting low is anticipation of the shot. Sort of pre-flinching by pushing the muzzle down as you shoot.
Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:31 PM (LVpEN

I'm definitely not crazy about the power I feel leaving the gun. But little by little I'm getting more used to it.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 08:34 PM (i/wJA)

221 Emmie

You were talked about today. Your ears should burn ... with pride.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 10, 2019 08:34 PM (dA5JH)

222 I'm definitely not crazy about the power I feel leaving the gun. But little by little I'm getting more used to it.
Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 08:34 PM (i/wJA)
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Practice will help with a lot of that!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

223 167 Just to close the circle, is the consensus that I should try a copper solvent?

I've been trying to manually scrub it out but that seems to take forever. Is an overnight soak in Break Free CLP an option?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:08 PM (cfSRQ)

For copper, go with a copper solvent. CLP Break Free is great but one of the few areas it doesn't work is getting rid of copper.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 10, 2019 08:36 PM (d1uFV)

224 More importantly, Emmie, Ayoob, Jackson and all the Morons agree that the under the brassiere holsters are best. Feel free to send pix to the gun thread so we can assist with fit.

See, guns and bewbs in one thread!

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:36 PM (LVpEN)

225 One thing I disagree with Ayoob about is his advice on talking to the cops after a self-defense shooting. He instructs people to say WAY too much to the cops before lawyering up.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 08:38 PM (NWiLs)

226 Whig, thanks for the recommendations. I've perused Cornered Cat in the past and appreciate the info there.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 08:38 PM (i/wJA)

227 Pixy ate my comment.

Short version.

200 gr. rounds in .45 ACP are superior in every way to the 230 grain alternative.

John Moses Browning designed the 1911 around the 200 grain slug. The 230 was demanded by the Army, 'cause they thought it better approximated the .45 Colt of the Single Action Army.

Mr. Browning, as was the norm, was correct in his appreciations.

The 200 gr. has a lower recoil impulse, flatter trajectory and superior energies beyond mere "muzzle velocity".

It's harder to find, but you'll be glad if you do.

And you should.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2019 08:38 PM (QzJWU)

228
See, guns and bewbs in one thread!
Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:36 PM (LVpEN)
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RI Red is wise!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

229 > I suspect that today's synthetic oils and greases are way better at this than the old school stuff is.

I got interested and did some web research.
In the Old Days, the best oil for firearms was considered to be sperm oil, made from sperm whales. Non-corrosive, did not absorb moisture, and did not thicken up in cold weather.
For finer mechanisms (such as watches, compasses, and the like) the shiznit was porpoise jaw oil or "blackfish oil", made from pilot whales. Similar benefits to the sperm oil, but was a lighter weight, which made it more suitable for tiny precision mechanisms.

Greenpeace would probably send suicide bombers if you tried to use either nowadays, though.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 10, 2019 08:38 PM (tJvHx)

230 Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2019 08:38 PM (QzJWU)
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Howdy partner!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

231 You were talked about today. Your ears should burn ... with pride.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 10, 2019 08:34 PM (dA5JH)

Awww. I miss both of you and hope we can meet again soon!

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 08:39 PM (i/wJA)

232 > The 230 was demanded by the Army, 'cause they thought it better approximated the .45 Colt of the Single Action Army.

If I remember right, they wanted it because they were being attacked by crazed Muslim suicide jihadis in the Philippines, and their current sidearm just was not doing the job.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 10, 2019 08:40 PM (tJvHx)

233 214, since the trigger reach was too far, you might have been subtly pulling unevenly on the trigger which is reflected in shooting. But, as you note, the pad can be more accurate which is why target shooters use it along with a looser grip or some such about 60/40 and other such things.

However, in a true combat situation, a crush grip (see Mas Ayoob about it) with your finger's distal joint centered on the trigger generates repeatable results which is what you want for any serious situation. One of the issues can also be that smaller guns recoil more and often the compact models can be less accurate than the service models due to barrel length, sights, etc.

Gun-tests.com is kinda like consumer reports except it reviews guns and does not accept advertising. You can get their summary take on guns for free and the detailed reviews of all the issues can be had online if you subscribe. That being said, it will tell you when a gun has serious issues that they found but trial and error by rentals and use by you is probably the best way to find a firearm that works for you.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:40 PM (MItID)

234 That John Moses Browning, he seems to know what he is talking about. We should keep an eye on him.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 10, 2019 08:40 PM (ycWCI)

235 Ola.

Good to see you all. Got nothing except pre-firing my machine gun mix lube. 1/3 Mobil 1 Synthetic,1/3 CLP.1/3 Chainsaw bar oil. Post firing hose it all down with CRC Long Life .

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 10, 2019 08:41 PM (bgJ0E)

236 whig @ 219- Combat handgun. I carry everyday, in fact have been armed for the better part of the last 55 years. Have never used a firearm in self defense, though there were many confrontations ended by the other party or parties knowing I was armed. Texas law is a lot like Florida law on brandishing by the way. Now carrying for work is entirely different and you are 'covered by the umbrella of 'official capacity'. Supposedly. Never used that one and hope I never have to.

Posted by: Eromero at November 10, 2019 08:42 PM (UUkQp)

237 Jim, I do my best .45 ACP shooting with 200 g. lead semi wad cutters.
Of course, maybe it just seems that way since they make such a nice clean hole in the paper.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:42 PM (LVpEN)

238 235 Ola.

Good to see you all. Got nothing except pre-firing my machine gun mix lube. 1/3 Mobil 1 Synthetic,1/3 CLP.1/3 Chainsaw bar oil. Post firing hose it all down with CRC Long Life .
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 10, 2019 08:41 PM (bgJ0E)
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There you are! Glad to hear from you, NZFrank!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

239 Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:27 PM (LVpEN)

Don't ask. Don't tell.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 10, 2019 08:43 PM (AfYvi)

240 Well, time to wander.

Man, have I missed being at the range.

Great thread, as usual, weasel!

Shoot well, everyone!

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 08:46 PM (WEBkv)

241 My gunsmith get me started using Mobil 1 Syn. A quart lasts forever.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

242 Hey, sorry I am late to the thread. Was out and about and I did hit the range today. Went to an indoor range over in NJ and put 150 rounds through my Sig. I was quite happy with my grouping though most of them were low, right. But that is what practice is for, correct?
I am thinking of maybe taking a one on one class with an instructor and maybe they can look at my mechanics and see if there is something I might have to adjust.
Will keep ya apprised

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 10, 2019 08:47 PM (ZfBVE)

243 That's an option, Braenyard. It is on my property, so not even a license needed. I'd just hate to have a nice rifle confiscated. And so far, I'm not on any criminal databases. So far.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:48 PM (LVpEN)

244
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 10, 2019 08:46 PM (WEBkv)
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Adios, blake. Thanks again for the pics. I really miss shooting out there.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:48 PM (MVjcR)

245 225 Insominiac, The difference is that you have to justify your shooting which is unlike the standard Toddi or Soddi (the other dude did it or some other dude did it).

You will have to justify what you did in court and to do that you need to assume the righteous mantle. That means calling 911, that means not pussyfooting about whether you shot them or not, that means making sure that witnesses who saw the altercation are identified, evidence is pointed out, and that you were assaulted. What you do not do is go into details and Mas does not recommend that--he recommends that I shot the guy, he was assaulting me, those witnesses over there saw what happened, and these are the shell casings, the knife or gun the guy had, the tire tracks of his buddy leaving the perp to bleed out, and I want to press charges on this individual. Most people though keep talking and what Mas argues is that you are probably going downtown anyway so you want to indicate that you shot the guy because he was assaulting you, the gun did not go off by accident, point out evidence and witnesses, and then say you decline to answer any more questions without a lawyer.

If Zimmerman had not done his walkthrough with the police, he would have had to take the stand with unpredictable results.

I suggest if interested, look up the Armed Citizens Defense League and their free newsletter. They have multiple attorneys on their board and often these post a freebee advice article on the free newsletter. Their paid stuff is great too but that is beyond the subject here.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:48 PM (MItID)

246 Howyadoin, Weasel! Another great gun thread.. I'm in awe of your production, here!

And Jeffery Epstein clearly didn't use CLP.

He just might've slipped outta that noose he didn't use to kill himself.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2019 08:49 PM (QzJWU)

247 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 10, 2019 08:47 PM (ZfBVE)
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Hey man! You know, you're not that far from the Sig Academy in NH.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

248 She did have shades, a leather jacket, and Edvard Munch "The Dream" socks.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 10, 2019 08:26 PM (dA5JH)

Thought you were joking.

https://tinyurl.com/upygz6m

Posted by: Braenyard at November 10, 2019 08:49 PM (AfYvi)

249 Aargh!! Meant low and left

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 10, 2019 08:50 PM (ZfBVE)

250 If I remember right, they wanted it because they
were being attacked by crazed Muslim suicide jihadis in the Philippines,
and their current sidearm just was not doing the job.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 10, 2019 08:40 PM (tJvHx)

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From the literature, I was led to believe that the Webley .455 was some sort of hideous monster round, a raging behemoth that would tear at your very sanity as you sought to control its mighty power.

In reality, it's pretty mild to shoot.

To be fair, the Mk VI I put it through is pretty heavy, but still.

The 262 grain soft lead slug seems to sail leisurely through the air before making big hole. I imagine if it hits a body, it does a nasty bit of business. The Brits first used hollow points, but then switched to flat-nose, which was ruled out of bounds.

Not a round for long range accuracy, but I bet if you tapped a charging Zulu it would leave a mark.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 08:50 PM (cfSRQ)

251 Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2019 08:49 PM (QzJWU)
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Thanks, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

252 My gunsmith get me started using Mobil 1 Syn. A quart lasts forever.
Posted by: Weasel

+1.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 08:52 PM (s2OJe)

253 Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

Hmmm. Have not thought of that. Will check it out

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 10, 2019 08:53 PM (ZfBVE)

254 239, I was more or less forced into it by a series of events for the last twenty or so. Service training was perfunctory and really not that useful but living in student ghettos made it necessary to learn about that along with later having some not so nice neighbors.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:54 PM (MItID)

255
Hmmm. Have not thought of that. Will check it out
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 10, 2019 08:53 PM (ZfBVE)
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I've been up there a few times and don't think you would be disappointed.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

256 Now for a complete off topic comment.
AH Lloyd and others, what is the reason for a flat point? My .40 S&W and my .357 Sig rounds are flat. Is it for magazine clearance? To make a cleaner hole? To f*ck with my mind?

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:55 PM (LVpEN)

257 Gidday Mr Weasel. One thing to report is in exchange for a couple of piles of crap that I was literally going to throw away as I de-clutter my gun room in preparation for the walk in gun safe project, was that comrade prime minister has paid for a nice PPSH43 SMG in 9mm, a trip to SHOT Show next year, a nice evening out at a fine art auction and about $15k left over. I still have not given anything up yet. Hopefully I can transfer the majority of newly "bad" guns on to a P licence. A friend dropped off a mint 1905 Winchester Self Loading rifle in .351 for hopeful preservation last night.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 10, 2019 08:55 PM (bgJ0E)

258 Wadcutters are greatly underrated defense rounds.

They CUT nice clean holes in the target paper, making scoring a breeze.

They also CUT blood vessels, nerves and connective tissue like a champ. Lotsa air let in, lotsa blood let out.

Hit bone? That SOFT lead slug deforms and forms all kinds of interesting shapes that soft tissue just doesn't like as it's being torn asunder.

Minimal recoil, and a great defensibility in court vs. "evil" defense rounds.

I recommend 148 gr. wadcutters to those who carry .38 Special snubbies, if they prove sensitive to normal JHP defensive rounds.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2019 08:56 PM (QzJWU)

259 Now for a complete off topic comment.
AH Lloyd and others, what is the reason for a flat point? My .40 S&W and my .357 Sig rounds are flat. Is it for magazine clearance? To make a cleaner hole? To f*ck with my mind?
Posted by: RI Red

Pistol? No idea.
Rifle with a tube magazine - stops detonation from recoil that a pointed bullet could cause.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 08:57 PM (s2OJe)

260 Story that proves sometimes the firearm is far smarter than the owner.

Customer asks, "Do you have shot shells for a Remington 870?"

Me, "12ga or 20ga?"

Man, "I don't know."

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 10, 2019 08:57 PM (WRnYo)

261 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 10, 2019 08:55 PM (bgJ0E)
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Good on you, brother. Happy to have you back here!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

262 The arctic blast just started in the Boulder Valley. Lots of wind. Looking at ~2 inches of snow tonight and a freeze tomorrow. Although I think the roads will be warm enough that there will not be ice on them.

Posted by: the barrel at November 10, 2019 08:57 PM (ykYG2)

263 //soc

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 10, 2019 08:58 PM (ykYG2)

264 And if all that doesn't work, Jim, they might get lead poisoning, too.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 08:58 PM (LVpEN)

265 The round that was supposedly inferior in the PI with the Moros was the .38 Long Colt fired from a Colt double action revolvers (the New Army and New Navy series). These were a beefed up version of the previously troublesome double action Colt Lightnings.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:58 PM (MItID)

266 AH Lloyd and others, what is the reason for a flat point? My .40 S&W and my .357 Sig rounds are flat. Is it for magazine clearance? To make a cleaner hole? To f*ck with my mind?
Posted by: RI Red

Red the flat point is called a meplat. The flatter the meplat the less slipperly in the air it is. Ideal for revolvers and some lever action rifles for short range.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 10, 2019 08:59 PM (bgJ0E)

267 Rickb, Leverevolution plastic tips keep the 30-30 from going boom. It's the pistol part I don't get. I know some highway patrols use .357 sig for automobile penetration, so maybe the flat point helps.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:02 PM (LVpEN)

268 Wadcutters are greatly underrated defense rounds.

Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2019 08:56 PM (QzJWU)

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I've seen research that indicates wadcutter outperforms most premium self defense rounds. You get a good sized hole AND penetration without the risk of over penetration or the round simply breaking up (which is a danger with hollow point).

I'm a fan.

That being said, shot placement is really the most important thing.

We go on about calibers, loads, velocity but I can't think of a single instance where an armed citizen was harmed because their bullets lacked "stopping power." Even dinky .25 auto can get the job done if they hit the target.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:02 PM (cfSRQ)

269 259, Colt started it to some extent when they declined to put their rival's name on their revolvers so they used a flat point on the tip. See the .32 Colt New Police aka .32 S&W Long, the .38 New Police aka .38 Smith and Wesson, and so on. Supposedly this was to make the bullet more deadly. Ironically, the original Luger 9mm bullet was a truncated cone supposedly for the same reasons.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:03 PM (MItID)

270 Weasel, why Mobil 1 as opposed to Dino oil? I know why it is used in cars, but firearms do not see that heat.

Posted by: clutch at November 10, 2019 09:03 PM (Z3oWA)

271 That being said, shot placement is really the most important thing.

We go on about calibers, loads, velocity but I can't think of a single instance where an armed citizen was harmed because their bullets lacked "stopping power." Even dinky .25 auto can get the job done if they hit the target.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:02 PM (cfSRQ)
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100% this!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

272
... buying ammo ...

Its tough here in CA. You are only allowed to buy, in person, and only the calibers for firearms that you currently own, and only if the on-site background check passes ...

Time to start reloading. Reloading materials are noy (yet) monitored.controlled.

Reloading stuff from gavintoobe. Worth watching.

What You Need to Start Reloading Rifle Ammunition - a Walkthrough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rDppDH1IN4

Reloading Presses Compared: the BIG Single-Stage Shootout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqcYI0G2hqM

Posted by: Arbalest at November 10, 2019 09:05 PM (FlRtG)

273 " Am I a retard?"

Is the answer to that really directly applicable to the question of whether we should break-in our barrels?

Posted by: GWB at November 10, 2019 09:06 PM (xY/CR)

274 If I had to, I could do 90 percent of my reloading with Unique and Bullseye. Add Red Dot and 2400 for more versatilty. These are powders I never want to run out of. They will cover the mildest revolver cartridges to full house magnums, shotguns, and rifle ammo from gallery loads to varmint calibers to 45/70s.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 09:06 PM (bmdz3)

275 270 Weasel, why Mobil 1 as opposed to Dino oil? I know why it is used in cars, but firearms do not see that heat.
Posted by: clutch at November 10, 2019 09:03 PM (Z3oWA)
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Well that's a really good question. I guess there is some heat, but not like inside a car engine. I really don't know, but my gunsmith is also a Mercedes-Benz mechanic, or at least was at one time.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

276 Hey all! Late to the thread, but at least I got to the range this week.

Cutting right to the point- Emmie & Scuba, you've both mentioned putting shots low on the target, and that immediately makes me suspect The Flinch.

The Flinch is my personal hated bogeyman, and I think it's important for new shooters to learn about it early. The Flinch is an unconscious, built-up reflex that your brain doesn't tell you about, and the more you shoot without knowing about it, the deeper that reflex will be ingrained and the harder it'll be to get rid of it later.

Tying it back to an earlier link, here's the Cornered Cat article that explains Flinching and gives some suggestions to address it (remove space from link): http://www.corneredcat.com/article/ the-shooting-basics/how-to-cure-a-flinch/

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at November 10, 2019 09:06 PM (f0Pv6)

277 273 " Am I a retard?"

Is the answer to that really directly applicable to the question of whether we should break-in our barrels?
Posted by: GWB at November 10, 2019 09:06 PM (xY/CR)
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As anyone who knows me will tell you, it's more of a rhetorical question!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

278 265
The round that was supposedly inferior in the PI with the Moros was the
.38 Long Colt fired from a Colt double action revolvers (the New Army
and New Navy series). These were a beefed up version of the previously
troublesome double action Colt Lightnings.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 08:58 PM (MItID)

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There's also the issue of engagement range.

In our time, we like to do lots of recreational shooting and of course we make it challenging.

But I'm getting the sense (based on the types of sights I'm seeing on the antiques) that "classical pistol use" was essentially an alternative to bayonet drill. Sir Reginald wasn't sitting there taking deliberate aim at 50 yards*, he was firing from the hip at 10 feet.

*Okay, if he had a Mauser Broomhandle, he might have been, but that was deliberately marketed to cavalry and came with a shoulder stock and a damn long barrel which combined with a high-velocity cartridge makes it a credible carbine.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:07 PM (cfSRQ)

279 Thanks, nzfrank. And all this time all I thought about meplats were about doing better on G1/G7 aerodynamics. Never thought the tiny surface would also apply to the large pistol round.
Huh. Learn something on every gun thread.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:08 PM (LVpEN)

280 Happy Birthday, Jarheads!

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 10, 2019 09:08 PM (DMUuz)

281 They are not as fast as they are portrayed in the cartoons.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 10, 2019 07:09 PM (JUOKG)

Especially not once you run them over.

Posted by: GWB at November 10, 2019 09:08 PM (xY/CR)

282 Posted by: Arbalest at November 10, 2019 09:05 PM (FlRtG)
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We had a series on reloading here back in April if anyone is interested. Linked in the archives.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

283 280 Happy Birthday, Jarheads!
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 10, 2019 09:08 PM (DMUuz)
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Absolutely!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

284 I'm getting into archery.

Posted by: Rosa Erik at November 10, 2019 07:18 PM (2hJEH)

Did you know Ted Nugent once won an archery contest by hitting something like a squirrel at 150 yards? Holy Chip Dale!

Posted by: GWB at November 10, 2019 09:10 PM (xY/CR)

285 We had a series on reloading here back in April if anyone is interested. Linked in the archives.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

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I use it as a sleep aid.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:11 PM (cfSRQ)

286 *Okay, if he had a Mauser Broomhandle
Went to the range today with an artillery Luger and a new detachable stock I just got. Shot 5 round 1 hole groups at 10 yards so said what the heck and moved to the rifle side. Several of us shot nice center groups at 50 yards.

Posted by: Panhandler at November 10, 2019 09:12 PM (S/rwf)

287
I use it as a sleep aid.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:11 PM (cfSRQ)
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Agreed. I did get a tad long-winded.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:13 PM (MVjcR)

288 Posted by: Panhandler at November 10, 2019 09:12 PM (S/rwf)
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Nice, Panhandler!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

289 Posted by: Lazy Messenger at November 10, 2019 09:06 PM (f0Pv6)

Thank you! I do not think it is unconscious with me. I have actually stopped mid pull because I caught myself flinching. I also find myself shaking when I am holding the gun. ( need to build up muscle in these pipe stem arms).

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 10, 2019 09:14 PM (ZfBVE)

290 Umm, there have been some casualties, primarily of cops where the old .38 SPC round nose bullets were known as widowmakers for the failure to stop perps before they attacked the cops. There also have been reports of individuals shot in the heart by a .357 magnum no less, who prevailed, lived, and killed their attacker (an LA female hero cop no less).

To cause an instantaneous stop, you pretty much have to hit either the brain or the central nervous system which is more or less armored by nature for this. The other is causing enough blood loss or mechanical damage to bones so that the attack stops.

The easiest way to accomplish the second issue is to poke a hole, are really big hole, or shoot a bullet fast enough or heavy enough to do something like smash pelvic bones or a shatter a kneecap. The first way requires a bullet heavy enough to enter the brain case or enough precision to hit the spinal column of a moving target.

Most attacks will be deterred by presentation or threat of such of a firearm, the next sort of assault will probably be deterred by a gunshot maybe without even hitting the target, the last sort are determined critters that you hope that your artillery is enough to end the attack.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:14 PM (MItID)

291 Thanks, Lazy Messinger! I will take a look. I don't yet enjoy shooting, but I feel I have a responsibility to learn effective self-defense. I don't want running and hiding to be my only options if a homicidal maniac shows up.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 09:15 PM (i/wJA)

292 Happy Birthday, Jarheads!
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 10, 2019 09:08 PM (DMUuz)
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Absolutely!
Posted by: Weasel
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Isn't there supposed to be a cake, and a saber?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 10, 2019 09:15 PM (sHVgQ)

293 272
... buying ammo ...

Its tough here in CA. You are only allowed to buy, in person, and only the calibers for firearms that you currently own, and only if the on-site background check passes ...

Road Trip!

Posted by: California shooters at November 10, 2019 09:15 PM (sy5kK)

294 Went to the range today with an artillery Luger and a
new detachable stock I just got. Shot 5 round 1 hole groups at 10
yards so said what the heck and moved to the rifle side. Several of us
shot nice center groups at 50 yards.

Posted by: Panhandler at November 10, 2019 09:12 PM (S/rwf)

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That's because those were alternatives to carbines. That's the whole reason they were built!

Most pistols of that era have pretty rudimentary sights because the assumption was that you may well be literally in the guy's face.

In fact, I've seen materials indicating that the FBI and other "professionals" urged NOT using the sights because they could cause a fatal delay. Just point, hold steady, and start shooting. At 5 yards, that's often enough.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)

295 292 Happy Birthday, Jarheads!
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 10, 2019 09:08 PM (DMUuz)
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Absolutely!
Posted by: Weasel
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Isn't there supposed to be a cake, and a saber?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 10, 2019 09:15 PM (sHVgQ)

And crayons!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 09:16 PM (NWiLs)

296 Army and AF used to say Marines and SeaBees were the worst gd thieves in the world. We used to say 'don't leave your stuff laying around.' Semper Fi!

Posted by: Eromero at November 10, 2019 09:16 PM (UUkQp)

297 ..Huh. Learn something on every gun thread.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:08 PM (LVpEN)

Back in the Dark Ages, before modern JHP pistol rounds actually became dependable, the Gold Standard for defensive projectiles was the hard-cast lead Keith Bullet.

Designed by legendary pistol innovator Elmer Keith, it featured a full diameter shoulder, visible for only about 1/10th inch outside of the case mouth. This led to about a 1/10th inch reduction in projectile diameter at 90 degree angle, where the conventional "bullet" shape continued, nearly to the nose of the bullet, where all roundness stopped.

The nose of the bullet was dead-flat, at about .25 caliber atop the .357 base of the bullet.

A "flat meplat", (or full wadcutter) delivers the bullet's energy in the form of a SLAP, vis a clean, tissue-displacing streamlined bullet shape.

There is NO regular caliber pistol caliber cartridge or projectile combination which delivers hydrostatic shock to tissue. That's the realm of bullets travelling at about 2,200 ft. per second, or faster.

Lacking that velocity, the flat meplat "shocks" the impacted tissue much like a George Foreman punch.

Slow, but very, very effective.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2019 09:16 PM (QzJWU)

298 259 ... "what is the reason for a flat point? My .40 S&W and my .357 Sig rounds are flat. Is it for magazine clearance? "

RI Red,

The cartridges for semis have to fit in the magazine and feed smoothly up the ramp to the chamber. Round nose bullets seem to be, historically, the most reliable feeders but the flat point is close.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 09:16 PM (bmdz3)

299 Agreed. I did get a tad long-winded.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:13 PM (MVjcR)

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I find very technical discussions relaxing. It's a fascinating subject and someday when I have time, I'll probably join the cult of reloading.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:17 PM (cfSRQ)

300 274 JTB, Exactly, I came to that conclusion during the last great powder shortage. I can even fire reduced cast loads in my rifles with Unique or reload shotgun shells. That being said, I hate the way it meters. Bullesye is great but I only reload with that stuff when I am on my game and fully alert. Very easy to doublecharge or worse.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:17 PM (MItID)

301 And crayons!
Posted by: Insomniac
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*discrete guffaw*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 10, 2019 09:18 PM (sHVgQ)

302 Isn't there supposed to be a cake, and a saber?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 10, 2019 09:15 PM (sHVgQ)

Posted by: ALH at November 10, 2019 09:19 PM (9HQoP)

303 Isn't there supposed to be a cake, and a saber?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 10, 2019 09:15 PM (sHVgQ)

There's cake? Nobody told me there was cake.

Posted by: ALH at November 10, 2019 09:19 PM (9HQoP)

304 Even dinky .25 auto can get the job done if they hit the target.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:02 PM (cfSRQ)

A lot has to do with some perps lack of desire to face further pain - even if the first bit inflicted is relatively minor. Hitting *most* bad guys with ~anything~ makes them think "Dang! I was hoping for easy pickin's!" and to un-ass the AO so they can go pick on someone easier.

The time when shot placement and caliber and loading and bullet type come into play is either when the perp doesn't know/care that he's hit (e.g., he's on drugs and such) or he's prepared for it (he came armed, with the intent to do battle, or he armored up like the guys in North Hollywood) and has made the decision to carry on with his bad intent heedless of 'minor' pains.
In those cases, you want the biggest bunch of wallops you can inflict, or you need *really* good shot placement. Fortunately, those sorts of perps are not nearly as common as the first guy (who often doesn't even need the encouragement of inflicted pain and will run at simply the ~offering~ of pain).

Posted by: GWB at November 10, 2019 09:20 PM (xY/CR)

305 Well, sh*t. I've learned two or three things tonight.
You guys are *sniff* the best.
And Emmie, get yourself a little 22 pistol like the Ruger SR 22 just for fun. You will Love shooting. And it will help you get over some bad habits. And it is cheap. And it looks cool. And it is fun.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:23 PM (LVpEN)

306 Umm, there have been some casualties, primarily of cops where the old
.38 SPC round nose bullets were known as widowmakers for the failure to
stop perps before they attacked the cops.

Posted by: whig
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If you go back far enough, you'll find outliers that prove me wrong.

However, generally shot placement > power. I will also note that criminals have a different mental state when confronting police than armed citizens.

With police, it's very similar to a combat environment, and in combat, stopping power is very much a thing, no question.

But in self-defense situations, there's a different dynamic, as you noted. Criminals seek out what they think are easy targets and when that 'sure thing' turns out to be armed and opens fire, most won't stick around to trade shots.

This is why I have to carry guns, one for day-to-day and the other for when I'm in uniform. You can guess which one is bigger.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:25 PM (cfSRQ)

307 ALMOST any shot landed on a bad guy is nearly always effective.

Buncha sissies, the survivors end up in the E.R., begging help from the docs to stop the bleeding and all that.

Which causes the cops to be summoned, and that ends up with said bad guy getting connected with the complainant and crime, and setting the wheels of justice into (slow) motion.

Meaning, always make a Police Report of an altercation.

You might not have dropped the bastard in his tracks, but you CAN help drop him for a longer term than "making bail".

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2019 09:25 PM (QzJWU)

308 294, there is a whole bunch of stuff about point shooting (or fancy word for alternative indexing). Rex Applegate advocated it and Fairburn wrote a early book about using the technique when he was training cops in China during the 1920's or so. Jim Cirrillo used a form of it as he would hide the sights so that you used the shape of the firearm itself to index your shots. The major misconception is pretty much all of them used the eyes to index, one noted shooter, Bill Jordan, could pick off stuff from a bumper using solely point shooting from the hip requiring a known distance and a lot of practice and ammunition.

However, Bill more or less admitted that it was a trick shot and not that useful in combat (he was a Border Patrol Agent). Instead, most of them, including Applegate meant that point shooting required visual confirmation of the firearm in relation to the target--not shooting from the hip. Interviews with Wyatt Earp and Wild Bill Hickok also claim they used visual indexing or their sights for most of their gun battles.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:26 PM (MItID)

309 @AH Lloyd

1. After removing powder fouling, inspect the bore from the muzzle with a strong light. Copper will show best if you look at it off-axis and look in the grooves. It's harder to see copper or brass fouling than leading when you look down the bore.

2. Use a copper solvent. Some are based on ammonia. Some are more nose-friendly and use a different base chemical. Wet the bore and let the solvent work a few minutes.

3. Dry with clean patches. They will have green or blue residue on them from dissolving the fouling.

4. Repeat until the patches come out clean

5. Note that is you use a bore brush, that will leave behind copper too and it will show up on the patches. It's not much, but at some point during cleaning, you'll want to stop using a brush and just use patches.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 10, 2019 09:26 PM (di1hb)

310 At 5 yards, that's often enough.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)

Everyone carrying for defensive purposes should learn to point shoot. Don't overly rely on it, but make it something you can do.

Posted by: GWB at November 10, 2019 09:27 PM (xY/CR)

311 I hate cleaning my 1911. Compressing the main spring is a booger.
Always do it inside.
Don't ask me why I know this....

Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 10, 2019 07:21 PM (w7KSn)

wear eye protection, too.

Posted by: BignJames at November 10, 2019 09:27 PM (X/Pw5)

312 However, generally shot placement > power

Ahem. May I remind you of an observation I made earlier?

"But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"

Posted by: Harry Callahan at November 10, 2019 09:32 PM (DMUuz)

313 And it looks cool. And it is fun.
Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:23 PM (LVpEN)

Now there's a good excuse for buying another toy.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 09:32 PM (i/wJA)

314 > and to un-ass the AO so they can go pick on someone easier.
Yeah, your average junkie looking for money isn't interested in anything like fair combat.

That was a problem I always had with the old Charles Bronson vigilante movies (although I enjoyed watching them).

Picture it: you're a scumbag looking to rob someone. You've got a city full of potential victims. Grandma who's just cashed her social security check at the bodega. Drunken car salesman from out of town. Blind guy selling pencils on the street.

And you...pick the guy who looks like Charles Bronson?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 10, 2019 09:32 PM (tJvHx)

315 i say buffie, the blog appears to be glominated.

Posted by: biff at November 10, 2019 09:33 PM (vqIkG)

316 Anyone have any experience with the C308 rifle from Century Arms?

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 10, 2019 09:33 PM (+Kpte)

317 I love cleaning my 1911. How often can you gaze upon the genius of a master designer whose work is still in play over a 100 years later?
And yes, wear eye protection.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:34 PM (LVpEN)

318
And you...pick the guy who looks like Charles Bronson?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 10, 2019 09:32 PM (tJvHx)
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Heh. Good point!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

319 Everyone carrying for defensive purposes should learn to point shoot. Don't overly rely on it, but make it something you can do.

Posted by: GWB at November 10, 2019 09:27 PM (xY/CR)

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Absolutely.

I've a friend who shoots all the time but it's all slow fire, two hands, very deliberate.

He looked at my funny when I would shoot off handed, single handed, etc. I said you need to practice multiple scenarios.

Then he took the CPL class, and they had him do all of that.

I've actually got some snap caps and have my kids practice cycling them. They are also responsible for cleaning after a trip to the range.

That's something you novice shooters should look at. They're dummy rounds and you can load and cycle them to get practice. For some weapons, dry-firing is bad, so you can use these and not worry about damaging the firing pin. They're pretty cheap. I'm glad I got them.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:34 PM (cfSRQ)

320
293 California shooters

Road Trip!

There's a rumor that there are (or will be) highway checkpoints at the CA border, where everyone entering CA is asked about ammo on-boar and ammo purchases ... and overages are confiscated.

I've heard nothing yet, other than rumor.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 10, 2019 09:34 PM (FlRtG)

321 I lost a nice monitor when I was stripping and reassembling my 1911 at my desk.

I lost control of the barrel bushing for 1/2 second and that was all it tool.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 10, 2019 09:35 PM (+Kpte)

322 315 i say buffie, the blog appears to be glominated.
Posted by: biff at November 10, 2019 09:33 PM (vqIkG)
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Yeah, I was getting that for a few minutes too.

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

323 I assemble my 1911s, in an unorthodox manner.

I fully assemble the slide on the bench, completely.

Then, making sure that the toggle-link is pointing straight down, back the slide onto the rails, till I can see through the slide-stop lever hole on the frame, and through the toggle link itself.

Press the slide stop pin through the hole, and with a very hard plastic wedge, depress the slide stop/safety pin on the gun's left side, and press the slide stop the final 1/10th inch in and against the frame.

I *never* have problems with the recoil spring using this technique.

It is not Mil-Spec. But it works.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2019 09:35 PM (QzJWU)

324 Ahem. May I remind you of an observation I made earlier?

"But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the
world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself
one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"

Posted by: Harry Callahan at November 10, 2019 09:32 PM (DMUuz)

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I always take firearms advice from Hollywood.

They are the true experts. Trust them. Movies never lie about guns.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:36 PM (cfSRQ)

325 306, AH, I look at most stuff from a probabilistic viewpoint. At home, I prefer a long arm to a handgun. Since carrying long arms is not really done in polite society outside of hunting, one must suffice with a handgun which leaves much to be desired. A few are more at home in hunting which leaves out dinosaur hunting rounds like the .454 Casull, the .44 Magnum, etc. when loaded full tilt. Some, I shoot better but they have longer recovery time between shots. I find a .357 in a 110 gr. Hollowpoint deliciously accurate and probably a good stopper. But my recovery time is better with my current 9mm loads and that is somewhat better than my recovery time with a .45.

Like most folks, I fire a full service handgun better than the compact semi autos but sometimes due to concealment issues, I leave home with a .38 J Frame that I can put +p loads it likes within an inch or so at 7 yards.

Right now, some medical issues are forcing me to strongly consider pipsqueak rounds like the .32 S&W Long or I have a rotary barrel lockup Beretta PX series that is gentler in recoil. The 9mm 147 gr. are looking better too than the +p 124gr 9mm loads I favored in the past. I am well aware of shot placement but .32 S&W Longs have been known to do things like skid off someone's head when shot at short range with the wrong bullets. Thus, a wadcutter is better than nothing in these.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:36 PM (MItID)

326 There's a rumor that there are (or will be) highway checkpoints at the CA border, where everyone entering CA is asked about ammo on-boar and ammo purchases ... and overages are confiscated.

I've heard nothing yet, other than rumor.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 10, 2019 09:34 PM (FlRtG)

Will they also check to see if driver and passengers are there legally?

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 09:37 PM (i/wJA)

327 Emmie, what part of the country are you in? I'm sure there's a few morons or ettes who would shoot with you and likely have lots of inventory to try.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:37 PM (LVpEN)

328 There's a rumor that there are (or will be) highway
checkpoints at the CA border, where everyone entering CA is asked about
ammo on-boar and ammo purchases ... and overages are confiscated.

I've heard nothing yet, other than rumor.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 10, 2019 09:34 PM (FlRtG)

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The easy way around this is to claim you have no ID and are an illegal immigrant.

Rather than risk getting you deported, they'll happily wave you through!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:38 PM (cfSRQ)

329 300 ... "JTB, Exactly, I came to that conclusion during the last great powder shortage. I can even fire reduced cast loads in my rifles with Unique or reload shotgun shells. That being said, I hate the way it meters. Bullesye is great but I only reload with that stuff when I am on my game and fully alert. Very easy to doublecharge or worse."

whig,

I agree about the way Unique meters but I typically use a scoop and trickle in the rest. (It helps not to be in a hurry.) With Bullseye I put in the charge and seat the bullet immediately to avoid the risk of double charging.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 09:38 PM (bmdz3)

330 So - illegal alien ammo mules!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

331 Point shooting is easy with a laser sight.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 10, 2019 09:39 PM (2DOZq)

332 327 Emmie, what part of the country are you in? I'm sure there's a few morons or ettes who would shoot with you and likely have lots of inventory to try.
Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:37 PM (LVpEN)

I've been shooting with church members - - almost as good as Morons.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 09:40 PM (i/wJA)

333 Try a 22 pistol, emmie.

It is a gateway gun, though.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:41 PM (LVpEN)

334 I think there aren't any other morons in my fair city. I must go at least to Colorado Springs. There's maybe a couple there.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 09:41 PM (i/wJA)

335 329 JTB, good tips. Thanks.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:41 PM (MItID)

336 We're going to get kicked to the curb by the ONT anytime, so thanks again everyone! Have a nice week!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

337 331, yep. Lasers are the best alternative indexing system and I find that they work wonders on improving dry fire exercises.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:42 PM (MItID)

338 Actually, I've been shopping and renting at Magnum Shooting Center in Colorado Springs. It seems to have as wide a selection as I could hope for.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 09:43 PM (i/wJA)

339 Right now, some medical issues are forcing me to strongly consider pipsqueak rounds like the .32 S&W Long
Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:36 PM

Have you looked at the .327 Federal Magnum?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 10, 2019 09:43 PM (DMUuz)

340 Anyone in Nye County, NV? Recently bought my bro out of the family home for 75 k. He left a vm last wknd. Now his phone rings a couple times and then goes busy. His gf is sketchy.

Posted by: Infidel at November 10, 2019 09:43 PM (dgt0l)

341 AH, I look at most stuff from a probabilistic
viewpoint.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:36 PM (MItID)

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As do I. You analyze risk and act accordingly.

I am for the big fat center of the bell curve while being aware that there tails on either side. You're remark about "recovery" with truly monstrous rounds is...I'm not sure what to say.

If a guy breaks into your house and you unleash a .454 Casull, I'm not entire sure he'll be in the same zip code when you try to take your second shot.

If he is, it's likely because you hit him and he'll need urgent medical attention. The thought of double-tapping with something like that is the stuff of zombie movies.

I believe that going with an 80 percent solution and *knowing* it is only 80 percent is better than going with 90 or 99 percent and thinking you're home free.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:44 PM (cfSRQ)

342 337, Night y'all. Thanks for the thread this week Weasel. Finally got my trigger group/shell lifting assembly acquired so that I can finish rebuilding a 1886 Lebel.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:44 PM (MItID)

343 Yeah, time to call it quits. Can you believe this veteran is working tomorrow?

Night all and thanks to our host, as usual.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:44 PM (LVpEN)

344 Oil with corrosion inhibitors like Corrosion-X will make a fairly large difference for long-term storage. You'll be largely rust-free in conditions where straight oil wouldn't protect past 8-12 months.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 10, 2019 09:44 PM (67XdO)

345 Infidel, hope your brother is okay.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 09:45 PM (i/wJA)

346 341 AH, I look at most stuff from a probabilistic viewpoint.

I look at most stuff from a nihilistic viewpoint. Like it fucking matters.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 09:45 PM (NWiLs)

347 My gunsmith get me started using Mobil 1 Syn. A quart lasts forever.
Posted by: Weasel

+1.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 10, 2019 08:52 PM (s2OJe)

+2

Posted by: Agitator at November 10, 2019 09:46 PM (VP1T8)

348 Weasel, thank you as always for a relaxing evening, but it's time to drag up and leave. And folks, if you see a veteran tomorrow just say 'Thank you for your service brother (or sister as the case may be), I appreciate it.'

Posted by: Eromero at November 10, 2019 09:46 PM (UUkQp)

349 I look at most stuff from a nihilistic viewpoint. Like it fucking matters.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 09:45 PM (NWiLs)

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Oh, we know. Man, how we know.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:46 PM (cfSRQ)

350 Emmie, my phone is on last legs. I'm really worried.

Posted by: Infidel at November 10, 2019 09:47 PM (dgt0l)

351 Posted by: Eromero at November 10, 2019 09:46 PM (UUkQp)
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Thanks Eromero!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:47 PM (MVjcR)

352 Insom, you crack me up. I'd truly like to buy you a beverage at some point.

Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:47 PM (LVpEN)

353 Hmm shot placement. Reading the Hells Angel book by Sonny Barger he talks of a club member who got shot with 7 rounds of .45ACP by another club member over a drug deal. He survived with 13 exit and entry wounds and tattooed ".45 ain't shit " around most holes. He did die some time later from complications but hey, he did live.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 10, 2019 09:49 PM (bgJ0E)

354 341, The easiest is that for such things, a long arm is preferable. I can zipper someone with a 5.56 carbine in the time with multiple rounds that I get off two .454 Casull rounds from a handgun. I might also retain some of my hearing because inverse square on the noise.

Carrying such, absent living in grizzly country, is simply not practical in city living so I prefer multiple rounds delivered from a plastic fantastic delivery system to using my 6 enough for sure. 15-17 rounds gives me comfort that six really does not anymore given gangs appearing around here and I can no longer manage the dexterity needed to manipulate a speed loader for the revolver. Managing a mag reload is within my limits. Thus, you do what you can.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:50 PM (MItID)

355 Oh, we know. Man, how we know.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:46 PM (cfSRQ)

Is it that obvious? LOL.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 09:50 PM (NWiLs)

356 Nikki Haley: Kelly, Tillerson Tried to Run the Country Behind Trump's Back | Breitbart

*******

ALL fired by Trump.

Thank God.

Posted by: mikeyG-BackCountry, Ciamarella, EDKH at November 10, 2019 09:50 PM (IrmzF)

357 352 Insom, you crack me up. I'd truly like to buy you a beverage at some point.
Posted by: RI Red at November 10, 2019 09:47 PM (LVpEN)

Thank you good sir, and I would truly like to consume one with you sometime.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 09:51 PM (NWiLs)

358 350 Emmie, my phone is on last legs. I'm really worried.
Posted by: Infidel at November 10, 2019 09:47 PM (dgt0l)

You mean your phone is not working well and it's the only way you can contact your brother?

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 09:52 PM (i/wJA)

359 Good night Weasel and all. Another great thread. BTW, I have two cans of Imperial Sizing Wax on the way. It's the best I've found for larger cases. Even better than Lee case lube. Also, several pounds of Alliant 2400. Had to order it since no one in the area had it on the shelf. Another very versatile powder.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 09:53 PM (bmdz3)

360 i'm doubtful that Braceros and company have enough cops to do ammo check points on the Interstates, but i wouldn't put it past the bastards to stake out ammo stores in NV, AX, etc, and use plainclothes to follow people from #Failifornia plated cars, in, watch them purchase ammo, etc, then record them getting back into the car and going back into the state.

then they get a warrant, raid your home take all your shit and file charges.

they do it now for other gun "crimes".

the good news is that the lawsuit to overturn the ammo ban is progressing. i speak from personal knowledge, and that is all i'll say on the matter, bue to OPSEC concerns here.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 10, 2019 09:53 PM (NoMqI)

361 346, If it comforts you, Earth will either roast into non-existence or be flung by such in the cold intersteller abyss sometime in the future that it becomes an icecube. That is if we avoid asteroids, global warming or cooling, Carrington event level solar flairs, nuclear war, declining sperm counts, mass starvation from overpopulation, etc. As Roseanna Danna says, Its always something.

Or, you can watch Life of Brian and cheerfully sing along with Always Look on the Bright Side of Life. Your choice.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2019 09:54 PM (MItID)

362 Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 09:53 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks JTB. And Imperial is what I use on rifle cases, too!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

363 Infidel, I think I have a Verizon flip phone I could send you if it would help. Since it's old, I don't think the battery holds a charge as long as it did when new, but I believe it functions okay otherwise. Bad for texting, though.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2019 09:56 PM (i/wJA)

364 BTW, I use Mobil 1 Syn on the shafts of reloading presses. It takes so little and makes such a difference.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 09:56 PM (bmdz3)

365 365 Ben shapiro says its over Bloomie beats Trump by 6. Pack it in folks. Long live our socialist overlords.
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at November 10, 2019 09:57 PM (U6CWW)

The white hot incendiary charisma of Bloomberg is unstoppable. He will be president forever!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 10, 2019 09:59 PM (ycWCI)

366 ONT is nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 10, 2019 09:59 PM (ycWCI)

367 That's it. See y'all next week!

Posted by: Weasel at November 10, 2019 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

368 Thanks for another great thread Weasel.

Posted by: Panhandler at November 10, 2019 10:00 PM (S/rwf)

369 The white hot incendiary charisma of Bloomberg is unstoppable. He will be president forever!
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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We haven't seen such enthusiasm coupled with competence and energy since...since...Dukakis?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 10, 2019 10:01 PM (CDGwz)

370 Ben shapiro says its over Bloomie beats Trump by 6
Ben has a point.

His sister's tits have two points.

Posted by: mikeyG-BackCountry, Ciamarella, EDKH at November 10, 2019 10:02 PM (IrmzF)

371 320
293 California shooters

Road Trip!

Nothing in Tahoe but there's a big sporting goods store in Sparks.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 10, 2019 10:07 PM (AfYvi)

372 I believe that going with an 80 percent solution and *knowing* it is only 80 percent is better than going with 90 or 99 percent and thinking you're home free.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 10, 2019 09:44 PM (cfSRQ)

The key is adding 80% solutions on top of each other. If you have an 80% solution and use it three times in rapid succession, you're getting closer to 100%. An "80% solution" in firearms is NOT a multiplicative number (80% x 80% x 80% = 51%), but closer to additive (80% + 80% of remainder + 80% of that remainder).

Posted by: GWB at November 10, 2019 10:10 PM (xY/CR)

373 Question for the horde. Have a home defense shotgun. It's the Turkish knockoff of the Remington 870. I spent a fair amount of time 5 years ago learning to shoot it - probably put 250 rounds of slugs through it at an indoor range. Cleaned it well after every couple of sessions.

It's now been hanging in my closet unused for about 5 years. Long story, but I can't find a range where I can shoot it for target practice. Loaded with #7 shot so I don't hurt my neighbors, with one in the breech. Should I empty it occasionally, clean it and reload, or just leave it alone? I'm wondering if the pump action needs some exercise, or to take some strain off the spring action.

Posted by: TN Deplorable at November 10, 2019 10:10 PM (mgeBd)

374 Another note on oil: automotive stuff, especially synthetic, will work great for most man-portable stuff. At least for the gun.

The downside is that it will not work so great for *you* if it's an autoloading platform that vaporizes and expels the oil; the additive are really not good for breathing in.

Whether you use Mobil 1 or use basically the same stuff for 5x the price repackaged as gun oil but without the toxicity is up to you, your wallet, and your personal circumstances.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 10, 2019 10:15 PM (67XdO)

375 373 ... TN,

At least twice a year I check the HD pump shotgun, cycle the shells, make sure the barrel is clean and not obstructed, and wipe it down. Lube as needed. When the gun is EMPTY, practice working the slide to get the feel of it.

Posted by: JTB at November 10, 2019 10:28 PM (bmdz3)

376 Emmie, yes. Will rectify tomorrow.

Posted by: Infidel at November 10, 2019 10:30 PM (dgt0l)

377 Ever notice how legit dudes just clean and lube their weapons. Others make a million excuses why they don't.

Posted by: Ken at November 10, 2019 10:44 PM (0TJbv)

378 Didn't they already do Night of the Lepus?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2019 07:41 PM (NWiLs)

Back around '73, IIRC.

Posted by: Fox2! at November 10, 2019 11:36 PM (MwFQu)

379 Whig ...
One of my range buddies is an attorney who is very up on 2A issues and CCW/self defense issues.

His advice is very simple.
First of all, if you have shot someone for any reason, your weapon will be confiscated and you are going to be taken into custody and to the police station for questioning, mug shots, etc.

According to him, you should say absolutely nothing except
"I prefer to not answer any questions until I consult with an attorney". Say this one thousand times in a row if need be.
Resist the impulse to explain. According to him, anything and everything you say can be used against you later.

It goes without saying...if you are White, and you shoot a precious POC in self defense, the entire political/media/justice conglomerate will align against you.

There's a great YouTube video titled "never talk to the police". It's a presentation by a lawyer and a policeman. They agree. NEVER talk to the police unless absolutely necessary, and then only after consultation with a top notch defense attorney.

Explaining yourself to cops is idiocy. STFU, go to jail, call a lawyer.

Posted by: Morphine2 at November 10, 2019 11:50 PM (cQz6u)

380 It's now been hanging in my closet unused for about 5
years. Long story, but I can't find a range where I can shoot it for
target practice. Loaded with #7 shot so I don't hurt my neighbors, with
one in the breech. Should I empty it occasionally, clean it and reload,
or just leave it alone? I'm wondering if the pump action needs some
exercise, or to take some strain off the spring action.

Posted by: TN Deplorable at November 10, 2019 10:10 PM (mgeBd)

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you ought to bring it out, unload it, tear it down, detail clean it,

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2019 12:03 AM (gqFsO)

381 and, having hit "send" on a poast that wasn't sent on time, let me add : "... every six months or so, then re-lube and re-assemble, do a function check, then re-load."

taking it to the range about that often won't hurt either.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2019 12:06 AM (gqFsO)

382 I use a little Lucas Oil X-tra Heavy Duty Grease on my AR-15 BCG. It's rated for extremely high pressure and temperatures for moving parts like bearings. Sounds like a AR bolt carrier group.

And if it's good enough for tractors and dump trucks, it's good enough for my AR.

Posted by: Andy Stern at November 11, 2019 09:07 AM (qFDRX)

383 Not a cleaning problem, but have you ever had a gun with the sights set way to the side to keep on target? If so you have a bad crown. I refinished an old 22 that looked like it had bounced around in a pickup for months that shot way left. I could not see any dings, dents, or other flaws on the crown but put in on a lathe and cut about one chip off the muzzle and polished it with a brass screw head and compound. Fixed it. Its on target with the sights centered on the barrel.
The same day at the range, another guy was hitting a gong at 100 yards about one time in four shots with the longest barreled old military gun I had seen at the range. The iron sights were way off to the side, front left, rear right. When we looked at the crown, there was half a black ring. He left happy with something to fix.

Posted by: flimflamed at November 11, 2019 12:40 PM (o9pJs)

384 Liberal Tears don't use it on anything it rusts everything and ruins everything even your bike

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at November 12, 2019 10:59 AM (FLiOE)

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