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The Evolution Of Falciparum Malaria (the nastiest kind)

Nature, to the extent it cares at all, likes to kill us.

And of course it doesn't care one way or the other, because "Nature" isn't a sentient being. It is a numberless collection of processes and equilibria and feedback loops and all sorts of fascinating stuff.

50,000-year-old gene reveals how deadliest malaria parasite jumped from gorillas to humans

Malaria causes 435,000 deaths per year on average, with ~61% occurring in children <5 years of age. P. falciparum is the of seven species of parasite that can cause malaria in a family known as the Laverania and causes the deadliest form of the infectious disease; in 2017, this parasite accounted for 99.7% of cases in Africa.

The Laverania parasites originated in African great apes; however, they are now restricted to their own specific host species. Three parasite species are confined to chimpanzees, and three are combined to gorillas. What about the seventh, you ask?

Too bad one of the greatest mass murderers in history (Rachel Carson) was able to fool the world into thinking that the life of the malaria mosquito is more important than the lives of millions and millions of people.

Regardless, this is an interesting progression of the disease...

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM




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1 Wow a first

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:16 PM (ZCEU2)

2 Ok, I might have had one or two before,

I'll just get t he others

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:16 PM (ZCEU2)

3 Nature to be truthful is trying to kill us

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:18 PM (ZCEU2)

4 I saw a neat graphic in a book of my daughter's when she was 8 or so. It was sort of a Venn diagram showing how many of what animals kill the most humans.

Sharks, bears, alligators, and all the scary ones were in tiny little circles in the middle of a HUGE circle that simply said "mosquitoes."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:19 PM (PRN3w)

5 Parasite? I thought this was a link to the DNC.

Posted by: Parker Longbaugh at November 17, 2019 12:19 PM (+BOMm)

6 It continues to depress me that so-called environmentalists are the greatest threat to mankind (and frankly, a clean and safe environment).

Posted by: Deranged DM at November 17, 2019 12:20 PM (Q3xyR)

7 Hopefully Rachel Carson is in hell, suffering from malaria and being fully exsanguinated by millions of mosquitoes for all eternity, while the screams and cries of all the kids who suffered and died because of her.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:20 PM (NWiLs)

8 This isn't it exactly but it's a similar idea:

https://tinyurl.com/rx8ej6c

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:20 PM (PRN3w)

9 Sharks, bears, alligators, and all the scary ones were in tiny little circles in the middle of a HUGE circle that simply said "mosquitoes."
Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:19 PM (PRN3w)
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Spend some more time in the water, hoo-mon, and we'll see about that.

Posted by: Sharks at November 17, 2019 12:21 PM (3Z6pZ)

10 Mosquitos have most likely killed more people than Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot and a few others put together.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:21 PM (ZCEU2)

11 Hmmm.
And we were just discussing tick bites this morning.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (axyOa)

12 Has anyone actually read Silent Spring in the last fifty years?

I haven't, but I remember making construction paper presentations about how DDT was making eagles' egg shells thinner and keeping them from making eagle babies.

And we do have a ton more eagles than we used to.

I don't think Carlson's intent was to save the skeeters and I certainly think stopping malaria in malaria places is a good idea, but is our reflexive hate for her justified?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

13 You're so tasty, it's hard to resist.

Posted by: Aëdes Aegypti at November 17, 2019 12:23 PM (3Z6pZ)

14 > Mosquitos have most likely killed more people than Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot and a few others put together.

The western envirowhacko movement was created out of whole cloth by communists, so the modern malaria deaths should also be charged to communism.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 17, 2019 12:24 PM (oQp6r)

15 We've had two local schools shut down temporarily because of a mysterious virus or something that hits fast. Apparently, it's not terribly serious, I don't think there have been any fatalities, but it spreads like wildfire

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 12:24 PM (+y/Ru)

16 Didn't complete my sentence. "...while the screams and cries of all the kids who suffered and died because of her fill her ears."

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:26 PM (NWiLs)

17 but is our reflexive hate for her justified?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Yes. Her manipulation and fabrication of scientific studies changed the way Western society saw nature. She had to have known what she was doing, at least on some level, but her hubris overwhelmed whatever perspective she may have had, and she followed the typical progressive folly of the perfectibility of Man. But this time she didn't hurt anyone in the West...she is responsible for millions of deaths in the developing world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:27 PM (wYseH)

18 Kilroynius hic erat
Epsteinius se non interficiebantur

Posted by: Gaius Kilroynius at November 17, 2019 12:27 PM (DMUuz)

19 This isn't it exactly but it's a similar idea:

https://tinyurl.com/rx8ej6c

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Fresh water snail? What have those bastards been up to?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 12:27 PM (+y/Ru)

20 AW. They had one I heard about on Denver news. They think its a very fast moving noro-virus. I think its noro-virus, the one that sometimes hits cruise ships and gives everyone 'stomach flu'.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2019 12:28 PM (n4y+3)

21 Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Even at the time the EPA scientists rejected those claims.

They were overturned by the Head of the EPA, who soon after, retired and went to work for?

Yes, a company that made much more expensive Mosquito spray.

But the deeper question is?

How many Humans died to 'POTENTIALLY' save each Eagle?

Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 12:28 PM (NgKpN)

22 Imagine how many eagles we'd have if they tasted really good.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (PRN3w)

23 How many Humans died to 'POTENTIALLY' save each Eagle?
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 12:28 PM (NgKpN)


They were mostly little black people so who cares, right?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs)

24 Malaria? Sounds interesting, will it go in a bucket?

Posted by: Hot Diarrhea Hobo at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (K4I9O)

25 22 Imagine how many eagles we'd have if they tasted really good.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (PRN3w)

Farm 'em like chickens.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs)

26 Malaria resistance by contrast lagged. The sickle-cell gene first appears in the Sahara during one of its rare moist periods.

tinyurl.com/wl2reou

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:30 PM (ykYG2)

27 Just last night I was watching MST, Horror of Party Beach, and there's scenes where they're sampling water sources to see where the goofy monsters might be. The nMike says something along the lines of "all this because of that bitch Rachel Carson."

It was an unusually pointed barb from a guy whose humor is very good-natured for the most part. it struck me.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 17, 2019 12:30 PM (x8Wzq)

28 The western envirowhacko movement was created out of whole cloth by communists,


You must be young. In the sixties the rivers were foul. The Connecticut River in New Hampshire stopped freezing over. Cities were stink bombs. New Jersey smelled like a refinery. Trash littered the highways and byways. Boston Harbor got HW elected.

Air and water are clean now.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:30 PM (gd9RK)

29 If only there was some common and economical way to kill mosquitoes.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at November 17, 2019 12:30 PM (pw+jk)

30 Fresh water snail? What have those bastards been up to?

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I don't know details but IIRC they carry a lot of parasites. I remember a couple of years ago there was a kid in Europe somewhere who ate one on a silly schoolboy dare and started wasting away as his brain was being slowly destroyed.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:31 PM (PRN3w)

31 Ah... Rachel Carson. If she wanted to help man and nature she'd have done better as compost.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:31 PM (5aX2M)

32 I don't think Carlson's intent was to save the skeeters and I certainly think stopping malaria in malaria places is a good idea, but is our reflexive hate for her justified?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)


Evil is fairly well separated between intentional and unintentional. The difference, as they say, is not really much wider than a skeeter peener.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 12:32 PM (hku12)

33 but is our reflexive hate for her justified?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

And the tired arguments in support of her are specious. DDT resistance does exist, but it is still the best and by far the cheapest insecticide that works. When you can make paint and mosquito netting with it for pennies, it seems like a good idea!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:32 PM (wYseH)

34 Bandersnatch- I took it as their ban on DDT

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:33 PM (ZCEU2)

35 Think of all the eagles we saved that have no been killed by windfarms.

The left kills. It kills al the time. In good faith but mostly in bad, evil faith.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at November 17, 2019 12:34 PM (pw+jk)

36 I'm reminded of the multi-billion dollar radon abatement business that came about after the feds determined that miners breathing uranium dust and smoking cigarettes all day developed lung cancer because of their exposure to radon in a basement.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:35 PM (PRN3w)

37 Rachel Carson killed ten times more black folks than the Janjaweed and crack combined.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:35 PM (5aX2M)

38 You're so tasty, it's hard to resist.
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Okay, any of youse serious sciency guys: is it true that mosquitos prefer O blood? Some people get bitten badly all the time, and others very rarely.

A relative told me that it was O-type blood that really attracted them. Have no idea whether it is 'true' or not.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:36 PM (MIKMs)

39 For all the leave the planet to nature and lessen or kill off humans and the Gaia would be fine it's still as always been a dog eat dog world.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:36 PM (ZCEU2)

40 One of Hugo Chavez's accomplishments is bringing Malaria back to Venezuela after it was pretty much eradicated there.

But seems to me I've read that the biggest factor for keeping malaria thriving is people all sleeping in the same rooms and no window screens. So the fooking 'CO2 will kill the planet and nuclear is red alert dangerous' current enviro-nazis have a lot more do to with kids in Africa dying.

Limiting energy and economic development and keeping those 'brown people' living in one room grass huts is way more responsible for kids dying then what skeeter control is used IMO.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2019 12:36 PM (n4y+3)

41 31 Ah... Rachel Carson. If she wanted to help man and nature she'd have done better as compost.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:31 PM (5aX2M)

Testify.

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at November 17, 2019 12:40 PM (Ct55T)

42 tap tap. Is this thing on or did I break the blog?

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2019 12:40 PM (n4y+3)

43 Anno, she didn't want to save the skeeters. She ostensibly wanted to save birds (and her unscientific theory about that was dead wrong, anyway).

I don't reflexively hate her.

Even if her theories about birds were right (again, they weren't), it wouldn't justify thirty million malaria deaths in humans to save some stupid birds.

It was just a proto-SJW virtue signalling scold whose crusade worked and caused untold human suffering.

My hatred of Rachel Carson is well-considered.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:41 PM (5aX2M)

44 Another sciency oddity that I do not know if true: anti-viral 'cleaners' appear to create bigger and stronger viruses. From what I recall, hypochlorite bleach just kills them dead. Must be a lot of $$$ in so-called 'anti-virals'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:42 PM (MIKMs)

45 Another sciency oddity that I do not know if true: anti-viral 'cleaners' appear to create bigger and stronger viruses. From what I recall, hypochlorite bleach just kills them dead. Must be a lot of $$$ in so-called 'anti-virals'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:42 PM (MIKMs)

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Sorry, but how are we going to charge $1700 to clean a hospital room if we're just using ten cents worth of bleach?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:43 PM (Hl0hh)

46 HOLLA!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:43 PM (Hl0hh)

47 Watching F-1 as well

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:43 PM (ZCEU2)

48 And in fact not only is environmentalism not communist, but the best environmentalism has been undertaken by Deplorables.

Ducks Unlimited has restored countless acres of wetlands because we like to shoot ducks. Various local organizations are spearheading dam removal to restore fish migration because we like to catch fish.

Conservation is conservative. The hint is in the name.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (gd9RK)

49 I thought most of those cleansers are 'anti-bacterial' Since a lot of bacteria are good guys that give us yogurt, tasty cheese, help critters digest things etc it is not a good thing to get too carried away killing them willy nilly.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (n4y+3)

50 What is "Silent Spring" credited with accomplishing, besides banning DDT?Intent is only part of the equation.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (QrvWz)

51 but is our reflexive hate for her justified?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Yes. Her manipulation and fabrication of scientific studies changed the way Western society saw nature. She had to have known what she was doing, at least on some level, but her hubris overwhelmed whatever perspective she may have had, and she followed the typical progressive folly of the perfectibility of Man. But this time she didn't hurt anyone in the West...she is responsible for millions of deaths in the developing world.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:27 PM (wYseH)



Agreed.

Everything she said about DDT was wrong or a flat out lie.

She was the prototype for every single lame-ass false science panic we see today.

AGW anyone?

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 12:46 PM (kauXV)

52 Rachel Carson didn't ban DDT. It was the same politicos that now believe in global warning.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 12:46 PM (aS1PU)

53 Conservation is conservative. The hint is in the name.
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Yep. Kids make fun of me because in a general sense, I approve of recycling (not the modern religion).

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:48 PM (MIKMs)

54 Yep. Kids make fun of me because in a general sense, I approve of recycling (not the modern religion).
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:48 PM (MIKMs)

Most recycling, IIRC, isn't particularly cost or energy effective.

Also, conservationism and environmentalism are NOT the same thing.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:49 PM (NWiLs)

55 Conservation is conservative. The hint is in the name.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (gd9RK)

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I make this point to city-dwelling lefties all the time... want to save America's wild lands? Go to the hunters. Want to preserve forestry? Go to the lumberjacks. Want to preserve the fish? Go to the fishermen. These are the people doing the work.

Want to fuck it all up?

Go to Greenpeace and the DC regulators. They're the people doing the work.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:50 PM (5aX2M)

56 52 Rachel Carson didn't ban DDT. It was the same politicos that now believe in global warning.
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 12:46 PM (aS1PU)

Crazy pseudoscience nutters don't kill people.

Lawgivers who utilize crazy pseudoscience nutters to convince the masses kill people.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:51 PM (Ct55T)

57 Yep. Kids make fun of me because in a general sense, I approve of recycling (not the modern religion).
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:48 PM (MIKMs)

Most recycling, IIRC, isn't particularly cost or energy effective.

Also, conservationism and environmentalism are NOT the same thing.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:49 PM (NWiLs)



Yep.

Most (probably all) recycling in simply a political make-work graftomatic handout to someone's brother in law or cousin or kid.

Zero scientific basis for it.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 12:52 PM (kauXV)

58 56 yep

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)

59 Yep.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 12:52 PM (kauXV)

yep

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)

Mmmmm-hm.

*sips beer*

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:53 PM (Ct55T)

60
A joke, just for you

The local game warden had finally arrested the elderly gentleman who'd been poaching bald eagles...

"So, what do you do with these eagles you've slaughtered?"

"Eat 'em".

"You EAT them?!!??"

"Yep!"

Finally the warden's curiosity overcomes his disgust...

"Well, uh...what do they taste like?"

"Oh, a bit liked spotted owl."

Posted by: Gooshy at November 17, 2019 12:53 PM (GuoJz)

61
Most recycling, IIRC, isn't particularly cost or energy effective.
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It is for me. My little city has free recycle pickup (what they do with it afterwards is not the point) versus $6 per 32gal can of trash. For personal math, it works and everyone supporting the silliness gets to cash in their Green Stamps and all is good.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:53 PM (MIKMs)

62 For personal math, it works and everyone supporting the silliness gets to cash in their Green Stamps and all is good.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:53 PM (MIKMs)

First question...

Are the recycling collectors and the trash collectors the same people?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:54 PM (Ct55T)

63 Currently reading The Mosquito: A Human History of Our Deadliest Predator by Timothy C. Winegard on this very subject.

Posted by: Sisqui at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (ienGK)

64 Okay, any of youse serious sciency guys: is it true that mosquitos prefer O blood?

My guess is yes. I think mosquitoes (technically mosquitas - they're fem) sniff out proteins in blood that might harm them. (Sickle cell doesn't protect against that; just against the malarial parasite which mosquitas carry.)

I (AB+) get bit by mosquitas but I get the impression they only bite me when they don't find anything better. Kind of like how my dating life went.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (ykYG2)

65 Ilhan Omar

Verified account
@IlhanMN
If being #TooFarLeft means believing:
✅ Healthcare is a human right
✅ Future generations should live on a healthy planet
✅ All student debt should be cancelled
✅ The minimum wage should be $15
✅ Lives depend on gun reform
✅ Families don’t belong in cages

Count me in! 💪🏽

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (LxTcq)

66 Rachel C. started with an admirable idea, preventing needless collateral damage from DDT among species the than the targeted (and much hated mosquitos). Where she went wrong was deliberate mismanaging experimental data to make a point on which she had firmly made up her mind but didn't have data to support. She probably would have accepted a kinder, gentler machine gun hand aimed at skeeters solely, but she was a top-down government-first technocrat and had no trust of freedom to eventually solve the problem.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 12:56 PM (NVYyb)

67 Recycling is not energy efficient. It's a cult.

How did we get away from re-use? In my day we took the case of empties back to the beer place and the new beer came in bottles that had been washed.

The painted on labels would fade, you'd see some wear on the outside of the glass, you could tell that the bottle had had beer of the same brand in it before.

Why did that stop? Washing bottles is environmentally efficient.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 12:56 PM (gd9RK)

68 My DH and I are both type O blood. If we are outside I might get a skeeter bite or two, hubs gets eaten alive. If there is a skeeter within a 5 mile radius it will find him and bite him.

Posted by: Cheribebe at November 17, 2019 12:57 PM (a4qVe)

69 Metal recycling, particularly aluminum, is good for the environment (and the economy). Glass recycling can be to an extent - usually in self-contained factories recycling slag. Most of the rest is demonstrably bad for the environment, particularly paper recycling.

A good general rule is that recycling that profits tends to be environmentally beneficial, and if it needs to be subsidized, it's usually harmful.

Remember: there has never been a business whose stated goal was environmental destruction. It's usually a feature of backwards, inefficient production.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:58 PM (5aX2M)

70 I (AB+) get bit by mosquitas but I get the impression they only bite me when they don't find anything better. Kind of like how my dating life went.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (ykYG2)

For the same reasons)

Posted by: henry at November 17, 2019 12:58 PM (J3Rfi)

71 I think that deep down even if Carson didn't know her work would amount to a quiet population-suppression on the Third World, she didn't care. And the worldwide NGOs which used her work did know, and were all for the biological culling. Just like the elitists who love to cite That One Chapter from "Freakonomics".

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:58 PM (ykYG2)

72 #TooFarLeft became a hashtag. The left have turned it into a sarcastic garbage tag. They might listen better if they lose elections for about 80 years ... but anything short of that and they will be impenetrably thick.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 17, 2019 12:58 PM (LxTcq)

73 Me to Rachel Carson: Keep on rockin' in the free world!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (NVYyb)

74 If being #TooFarRight means believing:

- I shouldn't have to subsidize others' risks
- Dimwitted bureaucrats have no idea how to define what a "healthy planet" is
- I shouldn't have to subsidize others' useless diplomas
- The minimum wage is always Zero
- Lives depend on gun ownership and proficiency
- Families of trespassers and lawbreakers belong in cages

... Count me IN!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (Ct55T)

75 Home, unpacked, kinda fed, tired and still have a burning hatred for anyone on the left. Malaria? Yeah lets give the left malaria . Works for me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (85Gof)

76 I (AB+) get bit by mosquitas but I get the impression they only bite me when they don't find anything better. Kind of like how my dating life went.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (ykYG2)


I am AB+ too and I am rarely bitten by mosquitoes.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (aS1PU)

77 Most recycling, IIRC, isn't particularly cost or energy effective.

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There isn't a single self supporting all-items recycling facility anywhere in the United States. They generally receive millions in subsidies to save... Sand? Trees grown on tree farms?

I bet most city dwellers would be shocked to discover that rural folks aren't required to sort their garbage for a job creation program, too.

One can, one big ol' trash bag.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (0GvUH)

78 My main concern of recycling is can I get money from it, separating trash at say a shopping mall into paper/ plastic/ aluminum is pointless.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (ZCEU2)

79 Lives depend on gun ownership and proficiency

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Yep. More city dweller thinking.

Those rural people who are throwing their coke can in with the Amazon box also know that it takes a sheriffs deputy 30 minutes to get to the house.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 01:01 PM (0GvUH)

80 Post-industrial recycling is almost always a good idea

Post-consumer recycling is ok for certain types of material (great for Al, HDPE/LDPE, paper/pulp in some cases, etc.)

Let the people doing the recycling worry about if it's cost effective or profitable. They are the ones shouldering the risk.

#KeepYourLawsOffMyTrashCan

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:02 PM (Ct55T)

81 At this race in Brazil, which is in high altitude the air temp is under 70 degrees but track they say is over 110 degrees. You wouldn't get that range here but would you in say Denver?

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (ZCEU2)

82 Open thread? Or are we sticking to evolution and recycling?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (NVYyb)

83 The wife was just reading a story to me this morning, that there's a company claiming a breakthrough in fighting malaria, using magnetic fields to filter malaria pathogens from the blood...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (oVJmc)

84 My main concern of recycling is can I get money from it,

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Mine used to be. Someone is free to pay me and come pick it up if they'd like. Otherwise I learned my lesson when I saved cans for a year, got a $40 return, and only had to replace a $170 tire on my truck from the visit to the metal facility.

Right in the trash now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (0GvUH)

85 About altermative mosquito control, this is an interview with a representative of Oxitec, a company that is involved with breeding and releasing sterile male mosquitoes to crash mosquito populations to reduce infections of malaria, dengue and zika.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/vnchbh7

Oxitec did a pilot project in Brazil that had lots of bad press about, everything from making "super skeeters" to increasing infection of Zika.

I am coming to the feeling that anything that reduces death and starvation in the developing world must be stomped out.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (1glZx)

86 If we were smart we'd be separating garbage at the dump in order to mine it in the future.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 01:04 PM (0GvUH)

87 but is our reflexive hate for her justified?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic

I think she started a narrative that was critically important. She was without question a scientist first. The political aspect was secondary and in part a reaction to the industry's attacks on her work
I feel that the horde mind at times resorts to stuffing a personage into a box and playing wack a mole.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...drip drying at November 17, 2019 01:06 PM (JRHyo)

88 You can identify the types of recycling that make economic sense by the existence of a non-subsidized scrap value of said material. Aluminum, copper, iron, etc.

Posted by: irright at November 17, 2019 01:06 PM (RVcmP)

89 I feel that the horde mind at times resorts to stuffing a personage into a box and playing wack a mole.
Posted by: Sock Monkey...drip drying at November 17, 2019 01:06 PM (JRHyo)

More of a Barrel, really....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:07 PM (Ct55T)

90 We grow 'bitter melon' (Momordica charantia) on a trellis in the garden. The bitterness is from quinine.

Posted by: Obama the Dogeater at November 17, 2019 01:07 PM (Vy7tf)

91 I have a few hundred pounds of aluminum out back but when I took a truck load a few months ago was quite disappointed what I got. Really thought with the building going on it would be worth a high price.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:07 PM (ZCEU2)

92 It should also be pointed out that certain anti-Malarial medications can have really really nasty side effects.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 01:08 PM (HddOg)

93 You can identify the types of recycling that make economic sense by the existence of a non-subsidized scrap value of said material. Aluminum, copper, iron, etc.
Posted by: irright

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I use the hobo index to gauge economic sense of recycling specific materials.

If a hobo is picking them up out of the street - profit!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 01:08 PM (Y4EXg)

94 There isn't a single self supporting all-items recycling facility anywhere in the United States. They generally receive millions in subsidies to save... Sand? Trees grown on tree farms?

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Single stream is an idiotic make work program.

Beer and soda companies and glass products manufacturers already run massive recycling efforts (which include post-consumer buys) because it makes sense for them. They, in fact, subsidize it (at least for metal). Coors led the way on this.

When you see government bankrolling recycling efforts with tax proceeds, look for nightmares like plastic and paper recycling. They're just effluent factories that pollute shit and exist to provide fake jobs.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:08 PM (5aX2M)

95 Michael Bloomberg, preparing to jump in the race for president, apologized Sunday for the NYPDs aggressive stop and frisk of young minority men while he was mayor.

Bloomberg dropped the mea culpa during a speech in the Christian Cultural Center in Brooklyn, a church with a predominantly black congregation.

what a cunt. An on the knee cock sucking traiturious cunt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2019 01:09 PM (85Gof)

96 Los Angeles has a pretty good sports stadium recycling program....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:09 PM (Ct55T)

97 as I recall, the bad science of Carson (not completely wrong) was turned into a political cudgel. THAT is the real problem. It was an early version of global warming, government must be given total control or we are all going to DIE (in ten years).


The vast use of broadcast spraying did some harm to some species ... I think the pelican was affected. Moderation is the key, and using it in huts in Africa could (probably) have saved millions. Whether leftists intended to kill millions in Africa .. idk, but some would see that as a solution, not a problem. (this was in Population Bomb days, and other leftist hysteria, which is probably mostly engineered by the Soviet subversive infiltration)


WHO now uses some DDT, but as with most chemicals, resistance is developed if one chemical is used too often. Agriculture saw that with their Round-Up (glyphosate) use ... thinking it was engineered so well that "nature" would not figure it out.


For some traits like Bt crops (that will kill some grubs/worms, without needing to spray a more dangerous insecticide) they mix in some "refuge" ... so they produce enough non-resistant bugs to keep the early resistant bugs from breeding with each other. Science is pretty good, if we keep the commies out of it.


This is the Reason Mag article (2004) on DDT, they agree that DDT is not harmless and restrictions saved some raptors, but that the fear mongering left millions to die. They also say 500 million a year get malaria ... wow.

https://tinyurl.com/s8ddmw2

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2019 01:10 PM (Cus5s)

98 what a cunt. An on the knee cock sucking traiturious cunt
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2019 01:09 PM (85Gof)

ISTRC that so-called "stop and frisk" was fairly popular with most actual flesh and blood NYC black folk... lots of bad press, crooked polling, etc. made it seem more unpopular than it was.

Maybe i'm just wishcasting though.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:11 PM (Ct55T)

99 Trash will either be valuable enough to sort or it won't be. Price is an excellent proxy for environmental impact, such that if the nickel-per-bottle is only environmentally friendly if it can work unsubsidized.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 17, 2019 01:11 PM (LxTcq)

100 ISTRC that so-called "stop and frisk" was fairly popular with most actual flesh and blood NYC black folk... lots of bad press, crooked polling, etc. made it seem more unpopular than it was.

Maybe i'm just wishcasting though.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:11 PM (Ct55T)

Nope your 100% right. Normal law abiding NYers loved it. And it WORKED

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2019 01:12 PM (85Gof)

101 The malaria parasite jumped from gorillas to humans.

I blame Mike Obama.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 01:12 PM (Z+IKu)

102 An interesting fact is that America suffered significantly from Malaria and Yellow Fever before the turn of the century with many epidemics killing off a large segment of local populations - actually the turning point only came 1905 when the mosquito was finally identified as the culprit and serious efforts were made in New Orleans and other low lying cities to bring these pests under control.

My great great grandfathers' first wife died in New Orleans from Yellow Fever after another epidemic broke out in 1899 - she was only 6 years away from a solution.

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 01:14 PM (32YRo)

103 Garbage People regulating Garbage Men.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:14 PM (Ct55T)

104 I'm late. I'm sure someone posted this.

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=ijVijP-CDVI

Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:15 PM (8/tIV)

105 Some links:
Iranians are demonstrating en masse with the regime reacting with greater violence than ever in its history, according to participants. THe economy is essentially crashing, due entirely to Trump, and the mullahs are pulling in combat-hardened shia militia troops from Lebanon and Iraq to counter the protestors. The internet has been shut down.


You knew all that, right? In between discussing how the former ambassador to the Ukraine didn't like how her bosses boss treated her, the press covered all this? Obama's legacy, being dismantled brick by fucking brick
https://tinyurl.com/wjlk4vn

It turns out Bloomberg is not just a dwarf, but an angry dwarf with sexial aggression problems. He hates pregnant women, unless they are "do-able", in which case he's ready to climb the tree. PDJT warned us the guy has personal issues, and it seems he does.


https://tinyurl.com/wosl48y

Sadly, Oberlin won one. They hoped to avoid paying their debt to the Gibson family until David Gibson died, and have accomplished their disgusting purpose.


https://tinyurl.com/sabxn4a

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:15 PM (NVYyb)

106 Nope your 100% right. Normal law abiding NYers loved it. And it WORKED

Pish.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The Bill of Rights is not a popularity contest.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 01:16 PM (gd9RK)

107 Africa's population growth outstrips the ability of its political systems to provide resources for stable healthy society. Malaria keeps that in check and also fetters societal development.

One would think Carson intended this result.

Posted by: torabora at November 17, 2019 01:16 PM (Y274z)

108 Scrap steel is going for $0.03/lb.

Same as in town.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 01:17 PM (DMUuz)

109 that pile of Carson's BS (Silent Spring) was on my college freshman reading list.

i shudder to think what they are indoctrinating kids with these days

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at November 17, 2019 01:17 PM (RKQ/v)

110 I like birds; they shouldn't be killed unnecessarily.

Also, humans are way more important. Fuck birds.

More importantly no bird would have gone extinct due to DDT, anyway.

This was a very, very expensive virtue signal.

But hey - the UN has stayed in the net business, right?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:18 PM (5aX2M)

111 You can search my person, houses and papers, but the HELL you leave my effects alone.

(nahnahnahnah-nahnah-nahNAAAH)

Posted by: Edgar Winter at November 17, 2019 01:19 PM (Ct55T)

112 The EPA banned methyl chloride because a handful of dummies asphixiated themselves refinishing tubs using the stuff.

The EPA is always on the lookout for things to take away from you....(pssst, g....u....n....s).

I loathe the SOB's.

Posted by: torabora at November 17, 2019 01:22 PM (Y274z)

113 Got on a click bait this morning on Iran, not as bad as it did get to the point on what it said it was. Funniest thing was at end the Tehran airport had a star of David built into the roof and wasn't discovered until Google maps showed it, and they quickly had to demolish that.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:22 PM (ZCEU2)

114 Yes, Iran getting sporty again - actually never stopped, but the current up-tick looks pretty good. The complete "news" blackout on it parallels that of the Iraqi festivities that involved substantial Iranian involvement [in the form of snipers murdering protesters and cops], another front where Iran's various idiotic projects of aggression and mayhem are foundering. Don't think there have been too many relaxed or happy staff meetings in Tehran for a loooong time.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 01:23 PM (QDnY+)

115 Screw those birds in particular.

Posted by: Wind farms. at November 17, 2019 01:23 PM (Vy7tf)

116 Another legacy of Nixon. I noticed that is never mentioned.

Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:24 PM (8/tIV)

117 Oh, I'm going through the thread again because I'm in a Mood.

Even at the time the EPA scientists rejected those claims.


Silent Spring published 1962. EPA founded 1970.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 01:25 PM (gd9RK)

118 mosquitoes are number two on my Infinity Gauntlet complete genocide list.
number one are ticks

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 01:25 PM (G546f)

119 I had this idea for nanobots that you unlease on a garbage dump. You pull up in a truck full of them and they would swarm all over the dump like ants, process it into tiny pieces, and separate it into piles of like materials. Once they are done they get back into the truck and you go on to the next dump.

You'd end up with big piles of pure plastics, metals,whatever. The little piles of gold would be mine of course.

Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 01:25 PM (Tnijr)

120 You know who else didn't like mosquitoes?
Sadaam Hussein.

And he's dead.

Posted by: torabora at November 17, 2019 01:26 PM (Y274z)

121 Today's garbage dumps would be the mines of the future.

Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 01:26 PM (Tnijr)

122 Here's another one - in the Rockies, we're heavily restricted on clear-cutting both on public and private lands, to protect migratory birds.

Thing is, most of the clear-cutting is on beetle-kill areas - IOW, trees that birds won't ever use. Meanwhile, the beetle plague spreads to the trees they will use, while wildfires are a constant threat to humans and other animals.

Because some bureaucrat in Arlington knows better than people who live and work here. And he gets paid by environmental lobbyists. And then other people get paid by him to build raptor habitats in dead forests that will burn soon anyway.

Yay.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:28 PM (5aX2M)

123 The theory is the planet is making new oil every day

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:29 PM (ZCEU2)

124 Maria Bartiromo: What exactly is debunked about 2016 interference, which is what Adam Schiff writes?"...

John Radcliff : "I think the IG report is going to validate chairman Nunes FISA memo that highlighted the abuses. Look, I can tell you this, I can't tell you what the exculpatory information is that relates to George Papadopoulos but there was some and I can tell you that it was not timely delivered to the FISA court during the ___cy of those FISA applications.
I promise you that the IG report is going to address that."

Maria Bartiromo: We think we know that because we have had George Papadopoulos and your former colleague Trey Gowdy basically saying there was an informant that went to Papadopoulos and said it's great that Russia has these emails - it's good for Trump. And George Papadopoulos answers and says, no it's not it's treason I would never do something like that.
And the guy was wired, it was an informant talking to him, and that transcript should be one of the pieces of evidence we're expecting in the IG report that you're referring to aren't you?"

John Radcliffe: I believe that will be addressed by the inspector general and that whether that was timely delivered to the FISA court and assuming all of that is true and we'll let the report speak for itself; then what you'll see is a shifting narrative saying well it doesn't make any difference. There are genuine questions about [crosstalk]
There are legitimate questions from those of us that have seen the classified documents about the origins of the 2016 investigation.
It's, I think, unraveling, and that's why they are rushing to impeach the president. ... It's a hoax.

Maria Bartiromo: Do you expect this vote to impeach Trump in December?

John Radcliffe: Yes
...
John Radcliffe : ...They want to get this done before information comes out that damages the Obama/Biden administration and their efforts to frame Donald Trump come out in the IG report or John Durham's criminal investigation into those very same issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23fGmHGF8R8

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 01:30 PM (WkaWu)

125 One of original organizers of EPA has said for years that the major missions were accomplished by the late 8Os. Fairly normal inertial problem of new agencies outliving their utility, but of course there's more to it in this case [pseudo-science religion substitute wedded to authoritarian impulses].



And "conservation" for hunters or fishermen is subject to same trade-offs and choices as every other human alteration of the planet [involved in almost every human action]. Dams and former wetlands can be vastly preferred, depending on the situation.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 01:30 PM (QDnY+)

126 I haven't, but I remember making construction paper presentations about how DDT was making eagles' egg shells thinner and keeping them from making eagle babies.


The American Bald Eagle really isn't an issue in Africa, Asia and the "Rain Forests" where the DDT would be applied to save lives.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 01:30 PM (lD3vL)

127 56 52 Rachel Carson didn't ban DDT. It was the same politicos that now believe in global warning.
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 12:46 PM (aS1PU)

Crazy pseudoscience nutters don't kill people.

Lawgivers who utilize crazy pseudoscience nutters to convince the masses kill people.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:51 PM (Ct55T)

Yup, Global Warmering MAY kill millions.

But it won't be due to heat, it will be due to the crash of the Worlds economy and food production because of the green new deal.

Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 01:31 PM (NgKpN)

128
Because some bureaucrat in Arlington knows better than people who live and work here. And he gets paid by environmental lobbyists. And then other people get paid by him to build raptor habitats in dead forests that will burn soon anyway.

Yay.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

This.


They are destroying the forests. It's very sad and stupid.

Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:31 PM (8/tIV)

129 119 I had this idea for nanobots that you unlease on a garbage dump. You pull up in a truck full of them and they would swarm all over the dump like ants, process it into tiny pieces, and separate it into piles of like materials. Once they are done they get back into the truck and you go on to the next dump

==

pretty sure I've read/seen several versions of this idea, all with the nanobots eventually dismantling everything and everyone

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 01:32 PM (G546f)

130 ---Because some bureaucrat in Arlington knows better than people who live and work here. And he gets paid by environmental lobbyists. And then other people get paid by him to build raptor habitats in dead forests that will burn soon anyway.

Yay.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:28 PM (5aX2M)


Trump needs help.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 01:32 PM (WkaWu)

131 "Africa's population growth outstrips the ability of its political systems to provide resources for stable healthy society. Malaria keeps that in check and also fetters societal development.

One would think Carson intended this result."
I presented at a biotech ethics class in college a few years ago when I was 50-ish and everyone else 22-ish. I proposed Africa couldn't stem childhood deaths without DDT. I was told by a young lady that it didn't matter because Africa had so many other problems that childhood mortality rates were a feature not a bug. I despaired; I still do.

Posted by: Grannysaurus Rex at November 17, 2019 01:33 PM (90LWK)

132 And "conservation" for hunters or fishermen is subject to same trade-offs and choices as every other human alteration of the planet [involved in almost every human action]. Dams and former wetlands can be vastly preferred, depending on the situation.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 01:30 PM (QDnY+)

Yeah, I keep seeing these 'articles' on Facey Book saying that its a HUGE problem that people can't get to Government owned land, that is surrounded by Private Land.

Uh, if its surrounded by Private Land, that means its probably productive, or could be. So why in the hell does the Government OWN it then.

Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 01:34 PM (NgKpN)

133 96 Los Angeles has a pretty good sports stadium recycling program....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:09 PM (Ct55T)


California recycles its governors.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 17, 2019 01:35 PM (PkFwF)

134 "pretty sure I've read/seen several versions of this idea, all with the nanobots eventually dismantling everything and everyone"

I thought of that. Each one has a tiny little red kill switch.

Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 01:35 PM (Tnijr)

135 I was told by a young lady that it didn't matter because Africa had so many other problems that childhood mortality rates were a feature not a bug. I despaired; I still do.

Posted by: Grannysaurus Rex at November 17, 2019 01:33 PM (90LWK)


Like Bloomberg said, Kill it.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 01:35 PM (WkaWu)

136 82 Open thread? Or are we sticking to evolution and recycling?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:0~~~
Hoping it's open:
I miss the weekend cavalcade of 'elbows'.

Posted by: socalcon at November 17, 2019 01:35 PM (Roy2Z)

137 It's way too peopley out there.

Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:37 PM (8/tIV)

138 I thought of that. Each one has a tiny little red kill switch.


I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Dave.

Posted by: HAL at November 17, 2019 01:37 PM (gd9RK)

139 The Ferraris crashed into each other and took each other out.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:37 PM (ZCEU2)

140 Welp, you can stop arguing cuz there's no such thing as Objective Reality:

https://www.sciencealert.com/new-quantum-physics-

experiment-questions-the-existence-of-objective-reality

(remove extra spaces)


That's right, Science has gone all trannie and such.

Scientific = Trans-Fictional

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 01:38 PM (9X624)

141 Absurd impeachment [hey! shout out to all you Dem freshmen in Trump districts! howz things looking for next fall??] vote won't do a thing to blunt or distract from actual IG findings or indictments. Even without a press, which is now incredibly a reasonable description of the country, info is seeping out and the Dems' absurd attacks only have traction with their dumb/ignorant/NPR-level base anyway.


Oh, and with a head-shaking number of pundits of the "center" or "right" [idiotic terms] - now up to 3, I think, of those who have referred to the entirely appropriate, proper, and legal interest of the president in investigating massive known Third World-style corruption involving Ukraine and an American vice president, and also likely Ukrainian involvement in the elaborate illegal coup-like machinations of the previous administration, as "unsavory" or the like.


Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 01:39 PM (QDnY+)

142 Sadly, Oberlin won one. They hoped to avoid paying their debt to the Gibson family until David Gibson died, and have accomplished their disgusting purpose.

https://tinyurl.com/sabxn4a
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:15 PM (NVYyb)


Oberlin still has to pay, though, even if it's to David Gibson's estate. They're not off the hook, are they?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (PkFwF)

143 Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (DMUuz)

144 They are destroying the forests. It's very sad and stupid.
Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:31 PM (8/tIV)

--------

Grand County. Summit County. Eagle. Park. Lake. It's hundreds of thousands of acres of destruction, maybe millions, that could have been easily prevented

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (5aX2M)

145 Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.


It didn't start out that way.

Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:41 PM (gd9RK)

146 Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.

Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:42 PM (gd9RK)

147 146 Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.
Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:42 PM (gd9RK)

...

Posted by: Mars Needs Moms at November 17, 2019 01:43 PM (G546f)

148 Who would want to live on a red planet?

Posted by: Blue State residents at November 17, 2019 01:44 PM (DMUuz)

149 145
Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.




It didn't start out that way.

Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:41 PM (gd9RK)
==========
Yeah, who are we to dump all that scrap metal on Mars?!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:44 PM (NVYyb)

150 147 146 Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.
Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:42 PM (gd9RK

Oh, please. Triplets are a cake-walk.

Posted by: Triohootered Martian Chick at November 17, 2019 01:45 PM (Vy7tf)

151 You pull up in a truck full of them and they would swarm all over the
dump like ants, process it into tiny pieces, and separate it into piles
of like materials.


We had those, dammit. Two of them lived in my neighborhood.One of them was born in England!They ran exclusively on alcohol. Very efficient, in that way.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 01:46 PM (oRpiG)

152 Oberlin still has to pay, though, even if it's to David Gibson's estate. They're not off the hook, are they?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (PkFwF)

=============
Yes. They still have to pay and the Gibson family will still eventually get their money (unless something truly shocking happens on appeal down the road), though David Gibson will never know.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:46 PM (NVYyb)

153 CBD really you are again really off base on this one
DDT was banged for agricultural use for 2 main reasons
1 it really should not be used on food
2 Mosquitoes were becoming resistant to it
It has been and continues to be widely used as a vector control for mosquito born parasites
I would suggest a quick read of Wiki on that subject

Posted by: Kurt at November 17, 2019 01:47 PM (j/0/+)

154 so the dims string this out for another month and then , in magnanimous gesture, drops the inquiries

highlighting that they couldn't get any of the lawless GOP to join them in impeachment and removal

then they censure, in the most harshest terms, the President

this IS what will happen

the dims in the house are prickadors, not matadors

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 01:47 PM (rpxSz)

155 Falciparum

I keep misreading that as "facepalm."

Posted by: m at November 17, 2019 01:48 PM (ghFVE)

156 That was a exciting end of a race.
Now I have to go chop up the leaves I collected earlier.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:48 PM (ZCEU2)

157 When you make it to Mars, we'll be ready!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/male-sex-robots-could-see-20841272

Posted by: Robot Paolo at November 17, 2019 01:50 PM (DMUuz)

158 Iranians are burning banks, municipal buildings and any visible regime symbols. Statues of Khameini and other mullahs are coming down, even those of Mr. Bushy Eyebrows himself, Khomeini.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:50 PM (NVYyb)

159 Now I have to go chop up the leaves I collected earlier.
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:48 PM (ZCEU2)

go on craigslist and buy yourself a Cyclone rake

life changing experience

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 01:50 PM (rpxSz)

160 And it doesn't surprise me Kurt being the Leftist zhe is couldn't care about human deaths.
One death a tragedy, a million a statistic

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:50 PM (ZCEU2)

161 Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM



** shifty eyes **

Posted by: Elon Musk, future TGE of Mars at November 17, 2019 01:52 PM (786Ro)

162 Aw leave Kurt alone.
He's just like a porcupine. Pricks on the outside and a gooey ball of quivering shit on the inside.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 01:52 PM (Tt761)

163 That's right, Science has gone all trannie and such.


Been telling it for years. "Uncertainty" and "relativism" are not concepts from philosophy. They are from physics, going back over a century.

They scream and scream about the humanities majors, because their mothership has posited an insanity from which there is no return. Sure can grind those numbers, though. Their fake science has softened their minds, and hate is eating their guts out.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 01:52 PM (oRpiG)

164 143 Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (DMUuz)


I'd never thought about it that way, but yeah.

Posted by: Ex-ex at November 17, 2019 01:54 PM (RU4sa)

165 Radcliffe says the Dems are racing to get this impeachment before the IG and AG report come out.

There's going to be Obama/Bidens doo doo in when they come out.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 01:55 PM (WkaWu)

166 So pardon my ignorance, but does DDT in fact weaken eagles' eggs? Has this ever been demonstrated in any kind of even nominally blinded trial? Or is it a theory?

Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 01:56 PM (QE8X6)

167 For those who, like me, especially hate ticks, we can look forward to going to Mars. As long as I can take my dogs and hike, that is.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:56 PM (NVYyb)

168 But it won't be due to heat, it will be due to the crash of the Worlds economy and food production because of the green new deal.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 01:31 PM (NgKpN)

Yup......kinda like The Omen II in reverse.

No need to grow the food and control it, just don't grow the food in the first place.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 01:56 PM (Z+IKu)

169 Another thing the feds do to hurt our forests is prohibiting use of beetle-kill for construction lumber.

The beetles don't destroy the wood, just the bark. Standing dead pine is often the strongest stuff, and being killed by beetles doesn't change that. But nope - pine that shows blue is prohibited from structural use - decorative only.

So you can only sell it for fuelwood or interior siding (at a much lower price).

And in the parks, fuelwood cutting is by permit only, so most guys opt for private land, without the steep price.

It's almost deliberately bad forest management.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:57 PM (5aX2M)

170 162 Aw leave Kurt alone.
He's just like a porcupine. Pricks on the outside and a gooey ball of quivering shit on the inside.
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 01:52 PM (Tt761)

If so, I have already outlined my protocol for porcupines in yesterday's camping thread.

gassing the Foreman, mixing the GNT and sharpening the pitchfork as I type

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 01:57 PM (rpxSz)

171 I don't think Carlson's intent was to save the skeeters and I certainly think stopping malaria in malaria places is a good idea, but is our reflexive hate for her justified?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Absolutely. She was in the vanguard of that now-endless stream of scare-mongers that would have us give up the benefits of modern technology for the "good of Gaia".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 01:58 PM (/sgva)

172 I think the troll believes Wikipedia.

"Don't worry son, we will change it when we get home"

--Homer Simpson

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 01:59 PM (1glZx)

173 So pardon my ignorance, but does DDT in fact weaken eagles' eggs? Has this ever been demonstrated in any kind of even nominally blinded trial? Or is it a theory?
Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 01:56 PM (QE8X6)



Complete baloney from a study I read back in the 1990's.

So, the craptastic nature of Rachael Carson's "Science" has been known for a long time.

A lot like Margaret Mead's unscientific bullshit, the left pretends it's still relevant and true.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 01:59 PM (9X624)

174 One of our maintenance test pilots in the .mil was a "bug guy" in a former life, and we somehow got on the subject of DDT many years ago. Anecdotally of course, but he was very insistent that the DDT/Eagle thing was complete BS. Sharp guy and great pilot, I don't know that he was correct but I never forgot that, it is controversial.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:00 PM (HddOg)

175 Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 01:59 PM (9X624)

OK thanks. I've heard it many times, of course, but did not know if there was any empirical evidence for it.

Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 02:00 PM (QE8X6)

176 170
I missed that yesterday REDACTED.
I think Kurt is too greasy to use as anything but bait for coyotes. Or, mosquitoes. That'd be an experiment to try.
How long does it take for mosquitoes who bite Kurt to commit suicide by emesis?

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 02:01 PM (Tt761)

177 156 That was a exciting end of a race.
Now I have to go chop up the leaves I collected earlier.
Posted by: Skip



Honda almost swept the podium. Still might if Hamilton gets penalized.

Posted by: Puddleglum, a new Soviet Virginian at November 17, 2019 02:01 PM (/90cp)

178 Rachel deserves +2 then

Posted by: Thubten at November 17, 2019 02:01 PM (p+O/q)

179 I don't think Carlson's intent was to save the skeeters and I certainly think stopping malaria in malaria places is a good idea, but is our reflexive hate for her justified?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Ummmmmmmmmm......Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 02:02 PM (Z+IKu)

180 Conservation is conservative. The hint is in the name.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (gd9RK)

Conservationism =/= Environmentalism.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 02:02 PM (/sgva)

181 How long does it take for mosquitoes who bite Kurt to commit suicide by emesis?
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 02:01 PM (Tt761)

as long as it takes Katie to agree to some type of sex

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 02:05 PM (rpxSz)

182 This seems festive . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 17, 2019 02:05 PM (14URa)

183
Radcliffe says the Dems are racing to get this impeachment before the IG and AG report come out.


Why the rush? Obviously Barr and Horowitz are accommodating the Democrats' fake impeachment-coup schedule.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:06 PM (/BcCO)

184 Bandersnatch, I am not judged by my intentions, but by my acts and their results.

Carson meant well, and lots of misery and suffering has resulted from what she wrote.
Her book starts off about no longer hearing the songs of the robins in the Spring, so this was not a strictly scientific study, but a popularization of science, and one that was pretty much wrong.

So since I am judged by what results my actions cause, I figure Carson should be too.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 02:09 PM (1glZx)

185 we need a concerted campaign to get Chris "the cocksucker" Wallace fired

His hatred of Trump disqualifies him as a person

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 02:09 PM (rpxSz)

186

Just saw an ad for the movie Richard Jewell. Looks powerful.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:09 PM (/BcCO)

187 Radcliffe says the Dems are racing to get this impeachment before the IG and AG report come out.



Why the rush? Obviously Barr and Horowitz are accommodating the Democrats' fake impeachment-coup schedule.


Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:06 PM (/BcCO)

=========
Really. Take your time Democrats. Horowitz is.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 02:10 PM (NVYyb)

188 Green on the outside. Red on the inside. Watermelons.

"Environmentalism" is too often just marxism by proxy.

The Sierra Club was all-in on Nuclear power at one time, as a solution to the big hydroelectric projects then in vogue.

They were also decidedly against illegal mass migration. Their big donors put an end to that. Think about it, though. An "extra" 20 or 30 million people soaking up resources and polluting, placing unprecedented demands on roads, water resources, electricity demand, how can an "environmental" organizations NOT be decidedly against illegal aliens?

I visited an out of the way rural county park in Utah in recent years, a cute spot and nice place for a rest. Stopped there for many years. The last time I was there it looked like an Army had gone through. Tons of garbage, clothes, trash, etc. In a way, it had. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:11 PM (HddOg)

189 So since I am judged by what results my actions cause, I figure Carson should be too.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 02:09 PM (1glZx)

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Yup. And her gay little cause killed millions. She deserves to be excoriated.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:12 PM (5aX2M)

190 Why did that stop? Washing bottles is environmentally efficient.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 12:56 PM (gd9RK)

You have to look at the entire cycle. Transport and sorting of the empty bottles uses energy, and costs money. They have to be warehoused someplace until enough accumulate to justify a trip to the bottling plant. Then the bottles not only have to be washed, but also sterilized, which means very hot water, or chemicals, or both. And the now-clean bottles have to be inspected to ensure there is no foreign matter in there that escaped the wash cycle. A folded-over soda straw, or bent bottle cap can be jammed into a beer bottle, and will not wash out. Also, mice often find their way into beer bottles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 02:12 PM (/sgva)

191
Is this interesting?

Leftist cocksucker Aaron Sorkin has a movie coming out October 2020 about 7 people on trial for their role in the "uprising" at the '68 Dem convention in Chicago.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:15 PM (/BcCO)

192 Also, mice often find their way into beer bottles.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 02:12 PM (/sgva)

1-liter coca cola bottles are recycled in the Philippines. The life cycle:

New. Contains Coca-Cola.
Midlife. Contains gasoline and pre-mix for motorcycles sold at the roadside.
Recycled. Contains Coca-Cola with some benzene compounds.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 02:16 PM (Vy7tf)

193 Glass recycling makes sense in situ. Divert the slag (along with suitable post-consumer products) and melt it back down.

The profit is lost in single stream recycling, though.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (5aX2M)

194 Bander, I agree. The bald eagle was headed for extinction before we outlawed DDT. Now they're everywhere. I can't help but believe, though, that we went too far. The explosion we now see in harmful insects may be a result.

Posted by: creeper at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (fE1wp)

195 Iran shut the internet off to 95% of the country.

Over 20 reported dead.

And Twitter still allows the supreme leader to tweet.


Yet they ban American citizens for wrong think.

Jack is a criminal.

Posted by: Ha at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (O8Zsn)

196

Quick, give Iran nukes and cash!

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (/BcCO)

197 TRASH TALK?

We know people living in Switzerland which operates on a Pay-As-You-Pollute system. Discarded furniture is collected 1x weekly. Cardboard and paper 1x monthly. Regular trash* 2x monthly. Glass bottles and aluminum cans separated from regular trash are NOT collected curbside at all; however, these recyclables can be deposited into neighborhood municipal collection bins (also at shopping malls). Most people use mass transit, so workers deposit cans and bottles on their way to bus and train stations (or children on their way to school).

*Residents are free to include aluminum and glass in with their regular trash; however, their regular trash won't be hauled away unless it is placed in "official" bin bags (the typical 13-gallon kitchen size cost 25-cents each, IIRC). Residents are also subject to stiff fines if they place trash out for collection which is NOT contained in an official bag.

Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 02:18 PM (q7uEm)

198 Oooh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing. Well I say, hard cheese.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 02:19 PM (yQpMk)

199 Complete baloney from a study I read back in the 1990's.

So, the craptastic nature of Rachael Carson's "Science" has been known for a long time.

A lot like Margaret Mead's unscientific bullshit, the left pretends it's still relevant and true.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 01:59 PM (9X624)

--

Listen to the left continue to insist the earth has 11 years left before we're past the point of no return.

That number is taken from a paper they never cite. It was written in 1989.

AP News:

https://tinyurl.com/yy7xqhux

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:19 PM (Hl0hh)

200 The last time I was there it looked like an Army had gone through. Tons of garbage, clothes, trash, etc. In a way, it had. Unbelievable.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:11 PM (HddOg)

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Hippies. It's always the bands of hippies. They want to be all "one with the earth" and then leave the forest rangers and other campers to clean up their heaps of refuse.

I used to have a campsite I'd clean as a public service each year. After the hippies found it, I had to recruit help because a pickup or two couldn't handle it. They're filthy motherfuckers.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:22 PM (5aX2M)

201 Spend some more time in the water, hoo-mon, and we'll see about that.
Posted by: Sharks at November 17, 2019 12:21 PM

Yeah...blow me.

Posted by: A seal at November 17, 2019 02:22 PM (rBtIz)

202 Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 02:18 PM (q7



That's when I'd start dumping that shit in the streets.

Posted by: Ha at November 17, 2019 02:24 PM (O8Zsn)

203 Rinsing out the Arugula container and separating the plastics, paper etc into 4 or 5 different curbside containers may make people "feel" good, but it is a huge waste of resources and carbon footprint, for that matter.

A good test of whether something is "recyclable" - if you leave it outside, someone will steal it. If not, not. Guaranteed, if it's worth recycling, someone will be more than happy to pick it up from you. For free.

Our city just jacked us up, and outsourced "recycling" to a private company. The charge is added to the fee whether you choose to recycle or not.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:24 PM (HddOg)

204 55 I make this point to city-dwelling lefties all the time... want to save America's wild lands? Go to the hunters. Want to preserve forestry? Go to the lumberjacks. Want to preserve the fish? Go to the fishermen. These are the people doing the work.

Want to fuck it all up?

Go to Greenpeace and the DC regulators. They're the people doing the work.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:50 PM (5aX2M)


Pish posh. Prior to my departure from ZuckerBook, I was assured by one of many, many snide-quips-as-PNGs that, "Hunting for conservation is like fucking for virginity."

Quoth Olsen Johnson, "Now, who can argue with that?"

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 17, 2019 02:25 PM (DTX3h)

205 I'm still trying to figure out why Native Americans are heroes to the Progressives. Native Americans hunted a number of species to extinction, long before the Spaniards showed up. Native Americans would have cared about extinction of the Delta Smelt and other current "endangered species" as much as they did for the lives of members of enemy tribes: zero.

Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2019 02:25 PM (AMIL/)

206
A good test of whether something is "recyclable" - if you leave it outside, someone will steal it. If not, not. Guaranteed, if it's worth recycling, someone will be more than happy to pick it up from you. For free.

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That part right there.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:25 PM (Hl0hh)

207 I'm still trying to figure out why Native Americans
are heroes to the Progressives. Native Americans hunted a number of
species to extinction, long before the Spaniards showed up. Native
Americans would have cared about extinction of the Delta Smelt and other
current "endangered species" as much as they did for the lives of
members of enemy tribes: zero.
Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2019 02:25 PM (AMIL/)


They were at one with the Earth and regularly held slaves.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 02:26 PM (1glZx)

208 >>194 Bander, I agree. The bald eagle was headed for extinction before we outlawed DDT. Now they're everywhere. I can't help but believe, though, that we went too far. The explosion we now see in harmful insects may be a result.
Posted by: creeper at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (fE1wp)

Correlation is not causation. Are there other potential explanations for the return of the eagles? (About which I am very happy, by the way.)

Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 02:26 PM (QE8X6)

209 "Hunting for conservation is like fucking for virginity."

--

Why do you hicks need to kill animals for food when there are thousands of pounds of beef, chicken, fish, and many other types waiting for you in clean white styrofoam packaging in your local grocery stores?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (Hl0hh)

210 I'm still trying to figure out why Native Americans are heroes to the Progressives.

-
They hated honkies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (+y/Ru)

211 Hippies. It's always the bands of hippies. They want to be all "one with the earth" and then leave the forest rangers and other campers to clean up their heaps of refuse.

Hordes of illegal aliens. Not Hippies. Thousands and thousands. It was really sobering. Because I knew then, our government, was .... the problem. This was 20 years ago probably.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (HddOg)

212 That's when I'd start dumping that shit in the streets.
Posted by: Ha at November 17, 2019 02:24 PM (O8Zsn

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Yeah, that kind of scheme might work for Germans, but never on Americans. If pressured to do so, we'd dispose of it on the way to work, but not in a can.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (5aX2M)

213 Silent Rachel Carson.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 02:28 PM (RuIsu)

214 190 A folded-over soda straw, or bent bottle cap can be jammed into a beer bottle, and will not wash out. Also, mice often find their way into beer bottles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 02:12 PM (/sgva)


Don't we know it, eh?

Posted by: Bob & Doug M. at November 17, 2019 02:29 PM (DTX3h)

215 Hordes of illegal aliens.

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It's always a revelation when someone who doesn't live where illegals are a problem visits the restroom of a place where they are.

Major metropolitan areas and soiled toilet paper is thrown on the floor next to the toilet.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:29 PM (Hl0hh)

216
Why do you hicks need to kill animals for food when there are thousands of pounds of beef, chicken, fish, and many other types waiting for you in clean white styrofoam packaging in your local grocery stores?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (Hl0hh)



Funny, you win noodles and snow peas.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 02:29 PM (WkaWu)

217 Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (HddOg)

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Not sure where you are.

We have hordes of illegals in CO, but they stick to Denver.

It's Johnny Dredlocks who trashes up the forest, here.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:30 PM (5aX2M)

218
Correlation is not causation. Are there other potential explanations for the return of the eagles? (About which I am very happy, by the way.)
Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 02:26 PM (QE8X6


DDT must have killed off deer, wild turkey and otter as well 'cause we sure have a shit-pot full of them now in N. Indiana.

Coincidentally, there were serious conservation efforts put into place in the 60's in order to protect the Bald Eagle. Wonder if that had anything to do with Eagle numbers today? (puts finger in chin and assumes thinking posture)

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 02:31 PM (Vy7tf)

219 Spicy beef over chow mein noodles isn't a bad idea. Hmm...

(digs through freezer)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:31 PM (Hl0hh)

220 The Canada Geese re-population effort has been wildly successful.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:32 PM (Hl0hh)

221 >>Wonder if that had anything to do with Eagle numbers today? (puts finger in chin and assumes thinking posture)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 02:31 PM (Vy7tf)

Hmmm....lemme think...

Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 02:32 PM (QE8X6)

222 >>>[206] A good test of whether something is "recyclable" - if you leave it outside, someone will steal it. If not, not. Guaranteed, if it's worth recycling, someone will be more than happy to pick it up from you. For free.

HaHa ... Years ago, we placed an old refrigerator at the curb with a "Free to Good Home" sign on it. It sat there for 2 weeks until we attached a new sign -- $75 or best offer -- and it was gone within 24 hours!

Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 02:33 PM (q7uEm)

223 have a few hundred pounds of aluminum out back but when I took a truck load a few months ago was quite disappointed what I got. Really thought with the building going on it would be worth a high price.
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:07 PM (ZCEU2


Yep. A few months ago, I took over 400# of old sheet aluminum... security grills demoed from a CVS pharmacy...and they only wanted to give me 32 bucks for it. Hell, it cost me almost a hundred bucks just to haul it to the scrap yard. Eight cents a pound.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at November 17, 2019 02:34 PM (wamYg)

224 Nood Turkey.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Dhht7)

225 Nood Turkey Day.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Hl0hh)

226 i just viewed a series of videos by david west on starting fire using every day objects, including used aluminum cans, water bottles, scraps of cotton (!), as well as bow drills and flints. fascinating and well worth viewing in case you're going camping.

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Pg+x7)

227 @220

The green goose shit minefield I must often traverse to check my mail is certainly evidence of that.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 17, 2019 02:36 PM (DTX3h)

228 ... "david west youtube channel".

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:36 PM (Pg+x7)

229

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Not sure where you are.

We have hordes of illegals in CO, but they stick to Denver.

It's Johnny Dredlocks who trashes up the forest, here.
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Not where I am. This was in Utah. I am familiar with Hippies and their telltale signs and habits. This place was a formerly pristine roadside park, a natural oasis of sorts in an extremely arid place. It was clearly used by illegal aliens, a major thorougfare for same, apparently. Lots and lots of illegal aliens. Generally speaking the natives (Americans) aren't too tidy either. But it was sobering to realize the sheer scope of the problem. The detritus was like a hurricane went through.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:36 PM (HddOg)

230 i just viewed a series of videos by david west on starting fire using every day objects, including used aluminum cans, water bottles, scraps of cotton (!), as well as bow drills and flints. fascinating and well worth viewing in case you're going camping.

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Pg+x7)

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Assuming you've got a lighter, cotton packed in vaseline and transported in a medicine bottle is an outstanding firestarter.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:37 PM (Hl0hh)

231 I don't know if it's true these days, but when I was a kid, the key was whatever they wanted in China. For instance, they were desperate for copper, before they started laying fiber, and it drove copper up everywhere. My contractor buddy made good side money for a couple years by stripping and scrapping wire from job sites.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:38 PM (5aX2M)

232 Canada Geese aka "Sky Carp"

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:38 PM (HddOg)

233 Radcliffe says the Dems are racing to get this impeachment before the IG and AG report come out.


Why the rush? Obviously Barr and Horowitz are accommodating the Democrats' fake impeachment-coup schedule.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:06 PM (/BcCO)



Is there anything really new in the last three years?

With FarkASS statement about her (DoD) and all her buddies on the Hill trying to scavenge up as data as they could before the transition pretty much blew the conspiracy indicating involvement of DoJ-FBI, DoS, IC, and DoD. Which guaranteed it went all the way to the WH (with UN Rep falling under DoS and WH).

What is really new? Other than public statements by everyone and their cousin General Kickass admitting that Deep State is pretty much a real thing...

Why can't they roll up all of them for false statements? I guess there is some obscure legal reason that nobody can do anything with anybody while an IG investigation is going on and then not until every aspect is known otherwise the you lose the good stuff (like you cannot charge a bank robber with speeding because you waive the robbery charge).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 17, 2019 02:39 PM (1g7ch)

234 Greetings:

Been there. Had that.

And a little vivax too.

Posted by: 11B40 at November 17, 2019 02:40 PM (evgyj)

235 The journey of J. Gordon Edwards, professor of entomology at San Jose State University California, from admiring Rachel Carson to realizing she was a fraud.

"As I read the first several chapters, I noticed many statements that I realized were false; however, one can overlook such things when they are produced by one's cohorts, and I did just that. ... Rachel Carson was really playing loose with the facts and deliberately wording many sentences in such a way as to make them imply certain things without actually saying them. ... When leading scientists began to publish harsh criticisms on her methods and allegations; it slowly dawned on me that Rachel Carson was not interested in the truth about these topics, and that I really was being duped, along with millions of other Americans."

Publications of J. Gordon Edwards
"DDT Effects on Bird Abundance and Reproduction." 1985. Rational Readings on Environmental Concerns. pg 195-216.
"The Lies of Rachel Carson." 1992. 21st Century, summer. pg 41-51.
"Malaria: The Killer That Could Have Been Conquered. 1993. 21st Century, summer. pg 21-35.


Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 02:40 PM (UQbq+)

236 here's the cotton roll:

lay out a strip of cotton cloth, sprinkle with ashes (very important), roll tightly into a cylinder, then roll quickly between two flat boards - the friction will create an ember in the roll which can be used to ignite a fire in dry tinder.

amazing.

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:41 PM (Pg+x7)

237 Coincidentally, there were serious conservation efforts put into place in the 60's in order to protect the Bald Eagle. Wonder if that had anything to do with Eagle numbers today? (puts finger in chin and assumes thinking posture)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 02:31 PM (Vy7tf)

Yup.....plus who says "their" numbers about how many of this or that are still out and about in the wild is correct?

No one checks on their made up numbers because they can't.

They make up numbers and scream something is going extinct when it's all BS and Feels so they can get......money.

Posted by: The Polar Bear at November 17, 2019 02:42 PM (Z+IKu)

238 here's the cotton roll:

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That's clever. I'll try that next time we're camping.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:43 PM (Hl0hh)

239 My Springer treed an eagle a few years ago. She was not current on existing conservation laws

Posted by: Regular Joe at November 17, 2019 02:45 PM (6/uwW)

240 Nets for the children of Africa.
Mosquito nets, that's what we need.

Posted by: #42 at November 17, 2019 02:49 PM (WkaWu)

241 http://bit.ly/2pv9YjQ
******
PISS wallace again

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 17, 2019 02:51 PM (BqBId)

242 Of course AlGore in his book Earth in the Balance just loves Rachel Carson...

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 02:53 PM (UQbq+)

243 I feel that the horde mind at times resorts to stuffing a personage into a box and playing wack a mole.

"Paging Katie Hill........"

"And you too, Mashie or Mooshy, or whatever the fook your name is......."

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 02:59 PM (arJlL)

244 And you too, Mashie or Mooshy, or whatever the fook your name is......."
Posted by: JT
Bite me Jussy Twit

Posted by: Sock Monkey...drip drying at November 17, 2019 04:51 PM (JRHyo)

245 Does the article seem incomplete?

Posted by: Jean at November 17, 2019 06:58 PM (TT5JW)

246 Spot on about Rachel Carson. One of the most prolific mass murderers to ever cast a shadow. And she did it with a typewriter. I can only imagine the pain felt by the parents of the millions of young children who died from a disease that could/should have been prevented.

Posted by: TR at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (6wOsm)

247 Throughout the history of mankind, Malaria has killed and disabled more humans than anything else. One really cannot understand unless they have spent time seeing or feeling the effects. As an SF medic I received a lot of training in identifying, differentiating, prophylaxis and treatment of the four types of Malaria. Being told about it was one thing. Having desperate Liberian mothers bring their dry mud encrusted young children to you is another thing altogether. They were encrusted in mud because the local Shaman told them to roll them in mud when they were spiking a fever. Really a pretty effective way to help cool the fever. But the Shaman couldn't cure them and so they brought them to us. And there were a lot of them.

Posted by: rah at November 18, 2019 05:24 AM (QGdgs)

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The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
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Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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