Wow: According to Battleground Poll, 67% of Americans Think America Is on the Edge of a Civil War

Um, that's... correct.

I'm just astonished that so many people have a grasp on this reality.

I've mentioned this before, but a quick shorthand I use (borrowed from someone else) when evaluating people is if they Know What Time It Is, or if they Don't Know What Time It Is.

The pablum issuing from NeverTrumpers and Neocons is just creating a pleasant illusion in which it's 2003 forever and the only thing that should really matter is whether we are "consistent" on Trump and Clinton, preferring that political Neverland to the actual America we find ourselves in in 2019, pretending away unpalatable truths in favor of pleasant fantasies, continuing to pretend that everything's great (and that which is not great can just be saved by another round of tax cuts and trade deals), and that the left isn't scary at all -- that's just Evil Trump trying to convince you that they're really serious about their openly announced plans to seize America's guns and force churches to perform gay marriages, or go to prison.

They're not serious about that! That's just some heated political rhetoric.

NeverTrump is pretty sure that the left is quite sensible, really, when you get past their bluster, rather like that misunderstood fellow in Berlin, Mr. Hitler.

As the Veteran said of the Humungous, "The left are reasonable men. They can be bargained with."

Spoiler alert: The Humungous is not reasonable and cannot be bargained with.

So they don't know what time it is.

The time is close enough to midnight that we're well past the Twitter drama, political trivia, and effeminate lady-times bullshit they're always wetting themselves over.

This isn't a war for Syria or Kurdistan or the other places they want to send other people to fight for; this is a war for America.

You know my biggest reason for departing from the Neocon war adventurism model?

What fucking sense does it make security freedom in some other country when it is currently under deadly assault here, and most of our supposed leaders are busy babbling babytalk and telling us everything is swell and going according to plan?

Sorry, I'm going to need to shore up the homeland defenses before supporting another foreign adventure. Is that too inconvenient for you guys?

What a lot of us see is an unrestrainedly aggressive and violent and expansionist left -- a growing American Soviet -- and a political "leadership" class whose first, second, and last instinct is figure out a way to appease the left's aggression and learn to live with their increasing number of Jim Crow laws.

They always seem to be trying to figure out how they can accommodate themselves with the left's increasingly totalitarian ambitions, and how they can position themselves to do well under such a system.

They do not seem to spend much time actually opposing it, nor to thinking of how other Americans, perhaps not so comfortable with urban liberalism as they themselves are, will fare under the Brave New World the left is imposing.

Meanwhile, they stand on the throat of actual conservatives who want to roll back the left and shout, "STOP!"

Stop all your vulgar opposition to what we have agreed with our fellow liberals can have if they give us a couple of small things which we want (but you either are indifferent about or do not want at all).

If these guys were actually Reganites as they claim -- spoiler: they're not Reaganites, they're the effminate, effete liberals who worked to keep Reagan from being conservative; they're Bush (the elder) disciples -- they would remember Reagan's position on an aggressive, expansionist Soviet Empire taking over more and more of the world:

"We win, they lose. How's that for detente?"

Confrontation, not accommodation.

That's what they urge in every theater of conflict except in America, where they call only for civility and negotiating terms of surrender with the left which will guarantee them at least 100 highly paid contributor gigs in the leftwing media to pretend to represent the "conservative" position.

They're willing to fight for Americanism (at least their decadent, soft-handed version of it) in all theaters of war except the war in the homeland, the only war that ever matters or will ever matter.

But whatever guys, Corporations Are People Too and The Best People In the World.

Here's the very liberal Washington Examiner noting this sad poll:

Partisan political division and the resulting incivility has reached a low in America, with 67% believing that the nation is nearing civil war, according to a new national survey.
"The majority of Americans believe that we are two-thirds of the way to being on the edge of civil war. That to me is a very pessimistic place," said Mo Elleithee, the executive director of Georgetown University’s Institute of Politics and Public Service.

No, the fact that we're on the edge of a civil war is alarming.

The fact that 67% of Americans recognize that is actually good news.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:10 PM

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1 Hey

Posted by: Bruce at October 24, 2019 01:10 PM (vd8XM)

2 Top Ten.

Posted by: DC at October 24, 2019 01:10 PM (RZIhl)

3 Top five

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:11 PM (jYnPD)

4 on the edge. the other 37% are in Antifa and started the civil war months ago.

Posted by: henry at October 24, 2019 01:11 PM (JMDly)

5 As I've mentioned before, my sweet wife, who is nowhere near the political junkie I am, believes Civil War is inevitable.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 01:11 PM (qC1Sy)

6 I am completely amazed that 67% actually get this.

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (uDh3k)

7 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (q80AH)

8 Yeah, Antifa cant math.

Posted by: henry at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (JMDly)

9 I agree... Recognizing it is a good sign... And I highly doubt they are blaming Trump... Just a gut feeling

Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (O2RFr)

10 Well spoken, ace.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (E+OcO)

11 >4
on the edge. the other 37% are in Antifa and started the civil war months ago.

Posted by: henry at October 24, 2019 01:11 PM (JMDly)

Math. How does it work?

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (uDh3k)

12 I've been telling you all to buy ammo.

Posted by: Weasel at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (RrqtM)

13 Once ballot harvesting became prevalent, I cannot consider any California elections legitimate. There are no reasons for any republican to contest any elections there, it's a Soviet system where all political reps are appointed behind closed doors and elections are a fiction.

California should be kicked out of the union.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:13 PM (Kpl3J)

14 Mitt can unite us, and save the Union.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:13 PM (NFEMn)

15 Between this and the GOP finding their backbone, I'm a gonna go with another "winning" day...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:13 PM (6qErC)

16 If that poll does not convince you, see the poll showing a majority of millenials want to amend the first amendment to make hate speech a crime.

Nothing short of institutionalized deprogramming can change their "minds."

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:14 PM (jYnPD)

17 i'm looking forward to the presidential campaign next year, when the dem nominee runs on being a "unifier" because trump has been "the most divisive president in history".

Posted by: mjc at October 24, 2019 01:14 PM (Pg+x7)

18 Some men you just can't reach.

Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 01:14 PM (EJ0X1)

19 Welcome to the party, pals!

Posted by: ALH at October 24, 2019 01:14 PM (uLuPn)

20 15 Between this and the GOP finding their backbone, I'm a gonna go with another "winning" day.

I'll take it!

Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 01:14 PM (O2RFr)

21 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 24, 2019 01:14 PM (arJlL)

22 Don't fall into the "buy ammo" trap.

Buy magazines also!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (QFqpA)

23 Count me among the 67%. I've been watching the cultural vandalism of the Left and the sickening passivity and collusion of the Right for too long. I've had it. The Left has made it abundantly, redundantly and graphicly clear that they not only refuse to coexist with us but are actively interested in wiping us out -- metaphorically and literally.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (H8QX8)

24 The members of Chicago must be distraught - they don't think that anybody really knows what time it is.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (oZ6kz)

25 California should be kicked out of the union.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:13 PM (Kpl3J)

Reduce them to territorial status. They are not guaranteeing a republican form of government as required by the Constitution.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (TdJHs)

26 >>on the edge. the other 37% are in Antifa and started the civil war months ago.

English major?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (ZLI7S)

27 18 Some men you just can't reach.
Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 01:14 PM (EJ0X1)

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Posted by: Alfred the Butler at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (Kpl3J)

28 Interesting.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (BiWEa)

29 My nads are 22% closer to my bum~!

Posted by: Lunking Lunker at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (1Vobx)

30
well said, Ace

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (1oyGz)

31 MLB umpire tweeted out last night a comment about Civil War due to impeachment and he was going to go out to buy an AR15. Deleted it immediately. BUT MLB is investigating him because press reported it.

Posted by: simplemind at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (XODub)

32 And 50% of that 67% is armed to the teeth, making lists of targets, coordinating strategies with like-minded neighbors and friends, buying copious numbers of various types of 2A Tools and Ammo, and waiting.

Just waiting.

Well, and praying that it doesn't happen.

But when/if it does, the Left is going to be astonished. Also, dead.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (g7BLK)

33 I just saw a virulent lefty claimplaining that Trump has "politicized everything" and that is going to attract... get this... "low information voters" who will turn around and vote for him.

These people would be hilarious if they were in an episode of Rick and Morty, and not, you know, real.

Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (EJ0X1)

34 Buy magazines also!"

Playboy?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (6qErC)

35 24 The members of Chicago must be distraught - they don't think that anybody really knows what time it is.
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (oZ6kz)

3:35 AM.

Or maybe 3:34 AM.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (Ct55T)

36 Don't fall into the "buy ammo" trap.

Buy magazines also!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM

****

This is very good advice.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (axyOa)

37
As I keep saying: the progression of events tips more people into reality every day.

Trump's biggest value has been unmasking the corruption in our country, and by getting re-elected will provide four more years for those of us who know the score to prepare and organize.

But in any event: After Trump, the deluge.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (AzW6q)

38 Some men you just can't reach.
Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 01:14 PM (EJ0X1)

Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Posted by: Alfred the Butler

And some of us want to hold the road flare.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (QFqpA)

39 We may have a Civil War, but it won't be played out like the last time--North/South, Blue/Grey. But we'll have mass riots, cities aflame, civil disobedience on a mass scale, skirmishes here and there, suspension of habeas corpus and assassinations.

But many places will remain untouched by it.

It will be interesting.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (NFEMn)

40 No, the fact that we're on the edge of a civil war is alarming.

The fact that 67% of Americans recognize that is actually good news.

Yup.

I got into a very interesting exchange a few weeks ago with an NROnik about the difference between Let It Burn and Make It Burn. Those of us, and I include myself in this, in the LIB camp recognize that we are already in the midst of the conflagration. The fire is raging, and has been raging, for years. We spent years attempting to put out the fire and to build fire breaks not only to no effect but with the active resistance of those who claimed to be opposing the fire as well.

Enough. Let it burn. We were not the ones who set the world ablaze. We were not the ones who ignored the flames licking at the door. And we will not be the ones who spend more time listening to those who see the flames and go oh that's not fire, that's just the sun sparkling off the Shining City on the Hill.

It is like the people losing their minds over Trump's banal observation that the Never Trumpers are human scum. While I never! Really? Because I seem to recall the Never Trumpers using all kinds of ad Hitlerium and attacking the veracity of people's faith and other far more egregious language.

But Trump's the problem.

LOLGF

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (GbPPJ)

41 Mo Elleithee

Anyone with that name savors the flavor of cock.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM (y7DUB)

42 That to me is a very pessimistic place," said Mo Elleithee

I wanna hear from Larry and Curly Elleithee.

Posted by: JT at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM (arJlL)

43 You have a Democrat run House effectively using their position to try and remove the president. Because, politics.

Not that they should or that there is cause. I mean we're on what number impeachment attempt now?

Then the media covers and lies for them. The opposition is struggling to keep up with the coup attempt and destruction of our institutions.

So yeah , civil war? Bring it on.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM (kK8Gu)

44 They continue to seek to appease their crocodile (their rabid commie base) either without understanding the much bigger crocodile they are antagonizing in so doing or by thinking their paid liars can convince it not to eat them. They can't and it will. There will be blood if they don't get a handle on themselves.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM (87EdW)

45 Edit: What fucking sense does it make security freedom in some other country

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM (jYnPD)

46 Also, when this Civil War starts? Trump will be blamed.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM (NFEMn)

47 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM (Zz0t1)

48 I mean we're on what number impeachment attempt now?"

7,372. Since Tuesday last week.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM (6qErC)

49 26
>>on the edge. the other 37% are in Antifa and started the civil war months ago.

English major?
polls never add up to 100.

Posted by: henry at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (JMDly)

50 I think people get it. Really pretty much everyone does. I just think the third are in denial.

I think on any given issue, 1/3 of people will always be in denial.

Posted by: simplemind at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (fR1AX)

51 You'll know it's close when antifa fucks start getting their brains beat in when they show up to a protest.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (Zz0t1)

52 I actually heard CW2 brought up in a quilting circle, of all places. It's due to families and friends dividing on political lines on Farcebook.

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (HKPap)

53 Buy magazines also!"

Playboy?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (6qErC)
..........

if I want to look at trannies I'll watch women's sports

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (v0R5T)

54
English major?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM

snort

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (1oyGz)

55 They always seem to be trying to figure out how they can accommodate themselves with the left's increasingly totalitarian ambitions, and how they can position themselves to do well under such a system.
++++++++++++++++
Yes. They're shit heels.

I am going to go against the grain here and assert that this is new awakening as to where we are actually *is* Trump's fault. If he didn't piss in the punch bowl and expose them (or, more accurately, make them over-correct and expose themselves in a panic), the huge problems and massive damage they all did to American liberty and economics wouldn't be so public and it wouldn't have been embedded into so many people's minds.

Trump did nothing wrong, but I think that if he hadn't won, this survey would have had a *very* different outcome. The circumstances would have been so different that I suspect the question wouldn't have even surfaced.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (e/H31)

56 if I want to look at trannies I'll watch women's sports"

Heh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (6qErC)

57 MLB umpire tweeted out last night a comment about Civil War due to impeachment and he was going to go out to buy an AR15. Deleted it immediately. BUT MLB is investigating him because press reported it.
Posted by: simplemind

Just saw that on Facebook. It was over the sham Impeachment secrecy meeting.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (QFqpA)

58 Why hasn't a lawsuit been filed challenging Ballot Harvesting?

Posted by: ALH at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (uLuPn)

59 http://bit.ly/31CKhLa
*******
Latest Poll Shows Biden Facing His Biggest Deficit Yet as Warren's Momentum Swells
*******
Yesterday's CNN Poll hardest hit

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (BqBId)

60 Just saw these headlines about a tweet posted by Major League Baseball umpire Rob Drake, which caught the attention of an ESPN reporter, natch.

[Business Insider:] An MLB umpire tweeted that he would buy an AR-15 rifle for a 'civil war' if Trump was impeached

[Washington Compost with new/improved spin!:] 'Buying an AR-15': MLB investigates ump who reportedly threatened civil war over impeachment

Posted by: ShainS at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (WqPYg)

61 I'm painting my Vespa in camo pattern. Getting my combat Crocs resoled too. FTW.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (yRAFu)

62 Kallisto-

The Croydon Post Office is OPEN !

Posted by: JT at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (arJlL)

63 What so civil bout civil war?

(whistles)

Posted by: Axl Rose at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (NFEMn)

64 58 Why hasn't a lawsuit been filed challenging Ballot Harvesting?
Posted by: ALH at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (uLuPn)

==========

It's a great question.

CA GOP? A response? Are you on mute?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (q80AH)

65 Inevitable considering the gay marriage decision

Posted by: MAGA at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (5jjJY)

66 Reduce them to territorial status. They are not guaranteeing a republican form of government as required by the Constitution.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (TdJHs)
+++++++++++++
California is a sanctuary state. California is in rebellion.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (e/H31)

67 Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM (y7DUB)
*******
Barky's Buddie & Fux News "Contributor"

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (BqBId)

68 I think on any given issue, 1/3 of people will always be in denial.

Posted by: simplemind at October 24, 2019 01:18 PM (fR1AX)

No way!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (jYnPD)

69 I am going to go against the grain here and assert that this is new awakening as to where we are actually *is* Trump's fault. "

Indeed. One needs to ask - what would this be like had Hildabeast won?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (6qErC)

70 What?

War is coming?

Quick! Destroy all my weapons!

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (Ct55T)

71 [Washington Compost with new/improved spin!:] 'Buying an AR-15': MLB investigates ump who reportedly threatened civil war over impeachment
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I guess the WAPO thinks they will be needed once the Globalists win?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (yRAFu)

72 NeverTrump is pretty sure that the left is quite sensible, really, when you get past their bluster, rather like that misunderstood fellow in Berlin, Mr. Hitler.

If you (plural, the HQ) haven't read AJP Taylor's "The Origins of the Second World War", I recommend it. Yeah it's also being recommended by the wrong people - the antisemites over on Unz. But that is an own-goal on their part frankly.

It details that "appeasement" started out as Britain's attempt to roll back Versailles in an effort to get a strong Germany to face against the Bolshevik Revolution, soon to be fronted by Stalin. When the Brits were working with Streseman, who was a reasonable fellow, if very proGerman, this strategy was working great. The Frogs got out of the Ruhr, people (mostly Yanks) were investing in Germany, the reparations were getting rolled back -things were looking okay across the Rhine.

When Schiklgruber took over in Germany, yeah he was spouting off some sh!t, but not really that much worse than was being spouted off over in Poland and Hungary and, frankly, in parts of France.

In short, Baldwin and (to a lesser extent actually) Chamberlain fucked up - they didn't trust Hitler.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (ykYG2)

73 "Latest Poll Shows Biden Facing His Biggest Deficit Yet as Warren's Momentum Swells"

Biden suppurating, Warren swelling.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (H8QX8)

74 The cold civil war is now being fought on Capitol Hill. IMO the left's war on ICE is a manifestation of hot CW.

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (HKPap)

75 The Humungous is not reasonable and cannot be bargained with.

We'll play chicken, I call the semi, is a reasonable bargain.

Posted by: DaveA at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (FhXTo)

76 Mo "dick please" Ellithe

probs

Posted by: REDACTED at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (rpxSz)

77 When you fire a rifle into the air make sure your aiming at a drone.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (JinpT)

78 70 What?

War is coming?

Quick! Destroy all my weapons!

Fucking idiots.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (Ct55T)

==========

"War is coming? Trump is in charge of the military! Quick! Make sure no private people have weapons!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (q80AH)

79 14
Mitt can unite us, and save the Union.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:13 PM (NFEMn)

This fellow gets it!

Posted by: Mittflagrante Delecto at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (ymnmz)

80 We're already in a Civil War.

It just hasn't gone kinetic yet.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (qC1Sy)

81 MLB umpire tweeted out last night a comment about Civil War due to impeachment and he was going to go out to buy an AR15. Deleted it immediately. BUT MLB is investigating him because press reported it.
Posted by: simplemind

Just saw that on Facebook. It was over the sham Impeachment secrecy meeting.
=====
They will make an example of him.

Posted by: simplemind at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (m2cuo)

82 But many places will remain untouched by it.

It will be interesting.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM

****

In my minds eye I see a primarily urban vs non-urban scenario. It will morph of course, but that's how I see it beginning.
And it won't be of short duration either. When Americans begin fighting Americans, it will go awhile.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (axyOa)

83 24 The members of Chicago must be distraught - they don't think that anybody really knows what time it is.
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (oZ6kz)

-------------

Does anyone really care?

Posted by: cornbred at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (qaIUA)

84 Wouldn't a Velvet Divorce be preferable?

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (O7MnT)

85 CA GOP? A response? Are you on mute?"

Hang on a sec - we're debating over "seniority" and who gets what party position...

/most states GOP

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (6qErC)

86 We're already in a Civil War.

It just hasn't gone kinetic yet.
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My values of kinetic are apparently not the same values of kinetic that you observe.

Posted by: Steve Scalise at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (m2cuo)

87 63 What so civil bout civil war?

(whistles)
Posted by: Axl Rose at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (NFEMn)

Interestingly, in dog training work, a "civil" dog is one who is willing to bite humans.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (H8QX8)

88 Who leaked the naked pic of Congress woman

And why

Posted by: Yo! at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (1XAal)

89 99% of our politicians are just in it for the money. That's why Trump has been so effective at fighting them - he's already got money! And why Obama was so damaging - he did not.

Posted by: Chris M at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (eAZVt)

90 Did the umpire "threaten" a civil war, or did he express fear the U.S. is heading for civil war?

And how does a single, private threaten a civil war anyhow?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (Uu+Jp)

91 Meh, I do not believe any of this. For one, its just another poll that I have no faith in and if I were ever asked, i would participate yet be as misleading as I can. Second, there is no civil war concern around my neck of the woods - minus a few looney toons who all have TDS.

But then again, WTF do I know?

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (RcLFK)

92 12 I've been telling you all to buy ammo.

Posted by: Weasel at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (RrqtM)

Weasel, a suggested Gun Thread topic when you're too busy or tired to research and write a lot: SHTF gun and ammo recommendations. Give us your plan and/or thoughts, and let the comment storm begin! I believe there's sure to be good advice. (If you've already done this topic, I apologize for my bad memory.)

Posted by: Gref at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (AMIL/)

93 "Latest Poll Shows Biden Facing His Biggest Deficit Yet as Warren's Momentum Swells"

Joe! Take this pill.

Posted by: Bob Dole at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (FTlwv)

94 I am going to go against the grain here and assert that this is new awakening as to where we are actually *is* Trump's fault. "

Indeed. One needs to ask - what would this be like had Hildabeast won?
Posted by: Anon a mouse

We would be like northern Mexico. But two years ago.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (QFqpA)

95 Dang, where am I...?

Oh wow. A new thread. FIRST!

...can someone lend me a little mouthwash...I've got kind of a funk going on right now... *hic*

Posted by: Katie Hill at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (XiVKO)

96 Well, I'll have to rent a truck if there's a revolution

I'll have to leave my cushy crib in the Berkshires to return to TX

but I'll be damned if I'm gonna leave my wine cellar

Posted by: REDACTED at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (rpxSz)

97 They will make an example of him.
Posted by: simplemind at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (m2cuo)

Oh, yeah.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (H8QX8)

98 Can Matt Gaetz out Trump , Trump?

Posted by: Yo! at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (1XAal)

99 Andrew Sullivan and what now amounts to the 6% twitter crowd decided Andrew had won the gay marriage arguments, and our votes on the matter now longer counted. That was before the VAST majority of Americans had any idea who Andrew Sullivan is (thats probably still true). But our entire value system was changed because Jonah and pals couldn't stand up to Andy wanting to feel equal in all respects. Now of course I'm a bigot for not agreeing with Anthony Kennedy calling me mean.

That was the first time many Americans felt the whip of the elites on their backs. No matter if they agreed with gay marriage or not, their opinions were flatly rejected. OBEY. Then Obama lit up the white house in rainbow brite. Then came bake the cake. Then came snipers on roofs protecting tranny story hour. Now the state wants to whack the 7 year old boy's penis.
67% seems low

Posted by: Mohel by proxy at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (Bf3hj)

100 58 Why hasn't a lawsuit been filed challenging Ballot Harvesting?
Posted by: ALH at October 24, 2019 01:19 PM (uLuPn)

Because California passed a state law allowing it, and States have the authority to police the mechanics of their own elections. When a solid majority of a state decides to embrace fraud as an ordinary course of doing business, there's almost nothing legally that can be done about it.

Which means that if the rest of the States don't want to put up with this, they need to kick California out.

Posted by: Alfred the Butler at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (Kpl3J)

101 If Killary had won, things would have already gone hot.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (JinpT)

102 As I've said before. We are well overdue for a civil war since we've never had one to date. The truth is Trump represents the Restoration of Normal from the disaster that Oliver Obama's Transformation inflicted. Maybe putting the scion of two generations of hard left CIA and State Department operatives in the WH wasn't a good idea?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (yRAFu)

103 Who leaked the naked pic of Congress woman

And why

Posted by: Yo! at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM

Be thankful it wasn't Pelosi.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (axyOa)

104 It's estimated that during the Revolutionary War a third of the population were Patriots, another third were Tories and the rest didn't really care.

At the start of CWI a there was a similar split, 1/3 abolitionist, 1/3 pro-slavery and the remainder not really caring.

The 67% figure of the present is looking startlingly familiar.

Posted by: Surfperch at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (xuyej)

105 Partisan political division and the resulting incivility has reached a low in America, with 67% believing that the nation is nearing civil war in America, with 67% believing that the nation is nearing civil war

Are ALL media employees of below normal intelligence? Partisan political division and the resulting incivility has NOT reached a low. That would be great news. It's reached a HIGH.

Sheesh. Is this John Smoltz reporting now?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

106 In most of the Western countries, a universal religion of globalism, sham ecology, and crony capitalism unites the political class while a significant portion of the population, both left and right, find themselves powerless and oppressed. The bread and circuses attractions are waning for the masses as is the global secularist religion based on a corruption of the Era of Reason.

I am afraid that we are facing something like the Reformation era in Western Civilization where the basic structures of society, not just the political organizations, are shaken. If that happens, look for decades long turmoil and violence with persecution, heretics, martyrs, witchburnings, etc. with hot and cold wars only with the existence of nukes.

Posted by: whig at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (MItID)

107 "They always seem to be trying to figure out how they can accommodate themselves with the left's increasingly totalitarian ambitions, and how they can position themselves to do well under such a system."

With very few exceptions, they ARE the left. They're just not telling us.

Posted by: Dansgirls at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (V25ON)

108 I am completely amazed that 67% actually get this.

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (uDh3k)

Same here, i would n[t have guessed the number that high. i suppose it's a good thing, but i wonder.

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (8D42x)

109 If your politics and worldview are so deeply fucked up it makes me want to arm myself for the inevitable future in which you obtain power... how the hell is that *my* fault?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (Ct55T)

110 If the left wants war, they deserve to get it. Good & hard.

Posted by: H L Mencken at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (VoKqb)

111 93 "Latest Poll Shows Biden Facing His Biggest Deficit Yet as Warren's Momentum Swells"

so now a nub is a momentum ??

Posted by: REDACTED at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (rpxSz)

112 Anyone that thinks we are on the edge of a civil war doesn't understand what a civil war is.

I'm a conservative that lives in MA, is surrounded by liberals and Democrats, and we don't talk about this crap other than with a wink and a smirk. Truth is that none of my fellow Massholes are party officials or government functionaries, neither am I, so we look upon this stuff with amusement. It affects our daily lives not at all.

Posted by: steve walsh at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (M8pms)

113 We're already in a Civil War.

It just hasn't gone kinetic yet.
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My values of kinetic are apparently not the same values of kinetic that you observe.
Posted by: Steve Scalise

Kinetic would have involved retaliation.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:25 PM (QFqpA)

114 Hunter Biden is going to need a whole team of lawyers. One for each country he did corrupt business in.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 24, 2019 01:25 PM (ZLI7S)

115 Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Just because I'm no longer in, doesn't mean I still don't adhere to that oath.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at October 24, 2019 01:25 PM (jWe5r)

116 14
Mitt can unite us, and save the Union.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:13 PM (NFEMn)
.........

somehow this will involve men's hair products.

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 01:25 PM (v0R5T)

117 as Warren's Momentum Swells"
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That ain't momentum. {shudder}

Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 01:25 PM (EJ0X1)

118 Wouldn't a Velvet Divorce be preferable?
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (O7MnT)

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That too leads to the same outcome, in a different way.

This is all inevitable.

There can be no other outcome.

Just prepare. Of course, have a plan, buy ammo, all that shit.

But the biggest thing is mindset. Accept the reality, and above all focus on WINNING. Not fixing this. Not trying to survive it and figuring a way to sit it out.

Victory is the goal.

How can you damage the enemy most effectively? How can you make the act of killing each of us so expensive that the State is doomed?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 24, 2019 01:25 PM (AzW6q)

119 62. 'John has a long moustache'?

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2019 01:25 PM (HKPap)

120 It's a poll... Where's lurking jerker?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (O2RFr)

121 Also, when this Civil War starts? Trump will be blamed.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:17 PM

Exactly. I want to know how many people in that poll believe we're on the verge of war because evil Trump and his supporters are planning to start one, versus the ones who look at antifa and realize which side already fired the first shots.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (ejd/p)

122 Corporations are people ... but they are a controlled people abused by tyrants in board rooms. The WokeCorp does not poll their shareholders ... and Mutual Funds plow into China fields of rich profits at the cost of serving slavery, pollution, and enemy militaries.

Monetary policy has pushed AverageJoeSaver to entrust his retirement to WallStreet, with some vague notion that the Capitalism Fairy would wave a magic wand and return riches and world peace. The GreatDeceivers and money runners had other new world order plans, and our currencies and cryptos now make infinite wealth and infinite debt float around the world freely.

China was more strategic, and have exported their communism and cultural "enrichment" right into our colleges. But mostly China just bribes our politicians ... Mitch and DiFi and a host of globalists. End game outcomes uncertain. Invest in silver and lead.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (Cus5s)

123 92 12 I've been telling you all to buy ammo.

Posted by: Weasel at October 24, 2019 01:12 PM (RrqtM)
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If you shoot straight you get loads of free ammo and guns.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (yRAFu)

124 I thought polls were fake news or for strippers?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (FiUMj)

125 99 Andrew Sullivan and what now amounts to the 6% twitter crowd decided Andrew had won the gay marriage arguments, and our votes on the matter now longer counted."

ACTUALLY - as I've posted a couple of times, you're referring to that sidebar item. Only 22% of American Adults have twitter accounts, and only 6% of them are responsible for the vast majority of political tweets.

So, Andrew Sullivan was backed by 1.3% of American adults, who were very loud, and the Supreme Court said "okay, you're making a lot of noise, sure we'll go with that."

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (Kpl3J)

126 Mega McEatingDisorder is very upset with Matt Gaetz.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (y7DUB)

127 Exactly

Posted by: Mohel by proxy at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (Bf3hj)

128 Did the umpire "threaten" a civil war, or did he express fear the U.S. is heading for civil war?
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The press headlines always lie.

He recognized a civil war was imminent based upon coup/fauxpeachment and indicated he planned on preparing accordingly.

Posted by: Rule of Thumb at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (fR1AX)

129 SHTF gun and ammo recommendations."

That's easy. Quite the variety of 12 gauge "short stock" shotguns on the market. Stock up on slugs and buck...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (6qErC)

130 93 "Latest Poll Shows Biden Facing His Biggest Deficit Yet as Warren's Momentum Swells"

and she even lied about being a squaw

Posted by: REDACTED at October 24, 2019 01:27 PM (rpxSz)

131 24 The members of Chicago must be distraught - they don't think that anybody really knows what time it is.
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (oZ6kz)

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Does anyone really care?
Posted by: cornbred at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (qaIUA)

25 or 6 % to 4%

Posted by: Axl Rose at October 24, 2019 01:27 PM (NFEMn)

132 And here it is: Romania. Trump always knows.

https://bit.ly/2BEqOiz

Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2019 01:27 PM (EYsyU)

133 Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview

Right on cue

Posted by: It's me donna at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (O2RFr)

134 I don't think there'll be a civil war, at least not in any ordinary sense, because who's going to fight it? The man-children of Soy, Inc. and their blue-haired consorts aren't up to that kind of fight. Bloody their noses and they'd immediately fold. Antifa is tougher, but take away the protective shield authorities provide them and let the rednecks at them and they'll also fold. The elites certainly don't have the stomach for a fight. The only way there can be a civil war is if those groups can persuade the military and police to suppress their political opponents. I'm skeptical. Civil disorder, collapse, lawlessness. Those all seem vaguely possible.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (ZLlh9)

135 How would one go about increasing one's odds of survival in the event this does pan out? Particularly those of us stuck hundreds of miles behind the blue lines. Give me a set of drawing plans and a rabid beaver and I can bring any building down, but other than that rather esoteric bit of knowledge I don't have a large skill set for survival.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (kUmUV)

136 117 as Warren's Momentum Swells"
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Isn't she post menstral?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (yRAFu)

137 Ace: "The fact that 67% of Americans recognize that is actually good news."

True. I mean it's bad news but good at the same time. You cannot solve a problem if you do not know what the problem is or won't acknowledge the problem at all. Now, knowing and then doing is a much bigger step to take, but knowing always comes first.

Once again the cultural war preceded the political one, and now we're in both.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (6eEQ+)

138 We don't need a civil war. Just need the purge movie to happen. One night. Any thing goes. Next day back to business. Dead weight removed.

Posted by: NCKate at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (rx1QH)

139 We're already in a Civil War.

It just hasn't gone kinetic yet.
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My values of kinetic are apparently not the same values of kinetic that you observe.
Posted by: Steve
Scalise

Kinetic would have involved retaliation.
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I disagree.

Posted by: shattered pelvis at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (Osnzv)

140 Mega McEatingDisorder is very upset with Matt Gaetz.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (y7DUB)

Because he didn't order any Chick-fil-A for her?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 24, 2019 01:29 PM (kw5n8)

141 Exactly. I want to know how many people in that poll believe we're on the verge of war because evil Trump and his supporters are planning to start one, versus the ones who look at antifa and realize which side already fired the first shots.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Agree with this.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 24, 2019 01:29 PM (FTlwv)

142 the first talk of civil war i read here some time ago. i commented that i didn't think it likely because everybody had an interest in the american prosperity.

but i'm coming around. sort of. the only violence i see is from the left, so i'd expect rioting to be leftist, as well. when the right responds, however, that's when the state will move in, and that's when a real risk of serious civil fracture (war) can occur.

Posted by: mjc at October 24, 2019 01:29 PM (Pg+x7)

143 Did the umpire "threaten" a civil war, or did he express fear the U.S. is heading for civil war?
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The press headlines always lie.

He recognized a civil war was imminent based upon coup/fauxpeachment and indicated he planned on preparing accordingly.

Posted by: Rule of Thumb at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (fR1AX)

The Civil War led to the Fall of the Roman Umpire, did it not?

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:29 PM (NFEMn)

144 How can you damage the enemy most effectively? How can you make the act of killing each of us so expensive that the State is doomed?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

Targeting Quantrill's Raiders appropriately.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:29 PM (QFqpA)

145 That would be great news. It's reached a HIGH.

Sheesh. Is this John Smoltz reporting now?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

Moral low, numeric high. But yeah, it is ham-fisted.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:29 PM (jYnPD)

146 As long as YouPorn, Fortnight and ESPN are up and running there's no civil war coming.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 01:29 PM (FiUMj)

147 California is a sanctuary state. California is in rebellion.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 01:20 PM (e/H31)

Well, there is precedent for dealing with that.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 24, 2019 01:29 PM (TdJHs)

148 1. That was fuckin' awesome ace. There, I've done my daily suckup.

2. This part: "Sorry, I'm going to need to shore up the homeland defenses before supporting another foreign adventure. Is that too inconvenient for you guys?" This part is where I am. Seeing the narcos defeat the Mexican Army in battle--if that didn't pucker your portal the way it did mine then you're not a serious person.

3. There really is a tendency among a certain kind of comfortable Acela Corridor Republican to assume that everything is negotiable and everybody is a reasonable actor. "Why, X's kid goes to the same hideously expensive private school that my kid goes to! X must, therefore, be a reasonable fellow." No. Does not follow.

4. Unprintable. I really need to buy some guns so I can lose them in a tragic kayak incident.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (RD7QR)

149 Well, I'll have to rent a truck if there's a revolution

I'll have to leave my cushy crib in the Berkshires to return to TX

but I'll be damned if I'm gonna leave my wine cellar
Posted by: REDACTED at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM

Swing by my place on the way out. I'll go halves on gas.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (ejd/p)

150 You can't coexist when both sides have diametrically opposite views of the world.
State that there are only two sexes/genders and watch the nuts try to explain why you are the next Stalin.

The guy over at Rotten Chestnuts pointed out that the morality of the Left today is simply a flowchart. Hold the wrong position and you are necessarily evil. You can't hold a position that says "X is wrong, but I am willing to tolerate X within reason." X is good. Any opposition to X is therefore evil. Plus, I am good for opposing that evil
We can't live together or vote our way out of this.

Posted by: WOPR at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (J70i0)

151 How would one go about increasing one's odds of survival in the event this does pan out? Particularly those of us stuck hundreds of miles behind the blue lines. Give me a set of drawing plans and a rabid beaver and I can bring any building down, but other than that rather esoteric bit of knowledge I don't have a large skill set for survival.
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There are three things you need to do . . .

MOVE
MOVE
MOVE

Posted by: location location and somehting else are the punchline at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (lGfCg)

152 It's hard to see how a kinetic civil war actually starts. What would have to happen? Perhaps a Trump victory in 2020. Some attempt at seizing power is usually what kicks something like this off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (Kpl3J)

153 I saw a good article somewhere on a shtf weapons, remember AR 15, lever gun in .357, not sure what else, probably a shotgun. I'd probably go with pcc in 10mm and a matching Glock.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (87EdW)

154 I got into a very interesting exchange a few weeks ago with an NROnik

Alex and Jim Geraghty, sittin' in a tree

C-O-N-V-E-R-S-I-N-G

(I'm only assuming the tree part. And the Geraghty part. Actually, the tree part is extra unlikely, what with the Squirrel Menace and all.)

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (l8gTz)

155 Taylor Tinkers; Sell-Out, Spy: This is a Coup In Real Time

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control."--President John F. Kennedy, 1961, on John Brennan's CIA Coup Attempt, Adam Schiff's Impeachment Coup Attempt and the Corrupt Media's Propaganda Coup Attempt

Turns out, Ambassador Bill Taylor is on the Burisma/Soros payroll like all the rest of them: say "Hi" to Hunter for us, Ambassador, the next time he's buying your suits for you.

No quid pro quo." Just Fourth-Hand Testimony to match the Fourth-Hand Patriotism.

George Snuffleufagus said Taylor's integrity was unassailable because he attended West Point with honors. So did Benedict Arnold, George.

You remember him; he was Commander-in-Chief George Washington's Whistleblower.

Just more Bull-Schiff from the #SecretImpeachmentBunker.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (Ndje9)

156 135 How would one go about increasing one's odds of survival in the event this does pan out? Particularly those of us stuck hundreds of miles behind the blue lines. Give me a set of drawing plans and a rabid beaver and I can bring any building down, but other than that rather esoteric bit of knowledge I don't have a large skill set for survival.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (kUmUV)
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The ability to improvise and adapt helps.

That and the ability to do more than type mean tweets on an electronic device.

Yeah, a lot of the younger generations are screwed.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (qC1Sy)

157 Ha!
QB at U of New Mexico is busted and suspended from the team for exposing himself in a parking garage.
Dumb Sh*t. Should of done it in the women's room. No foul there.

Let the not so civil war start on the campuses. As good a place as any.
(See how I worked in the CW angle?)

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (axyOa)

158 Look for a big push to shove through anti-"assault weapon" legislation. That's a tell.

Posted by: Guzalot at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (prSvo)

159 The United States can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Posted by: Easy Andy at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (2DOZq)

160 Yesterday's shenanigans on Capital Hill was not entirely unlike the caning of Charles Sumner in 1856 and the Texas child mutilation verdict is a clear indication that there is no justice in the judiciary. And now 61% (allegedly) oppose the first amendment. Although I hope we may avoid it, we are one Fort Sumter moment away from civil war. The Civil War was occasioned by the election of Lincoln. Civil War II may be occasioned by the re-election of Trump.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (+y/Ru)

161 Well said, Ace. It is a strange thing to talk about even among my more politically minded family and friends. The overwhelming response was not long ago one of near horror, 'you don't want that!'

And they're correct. In a sane world, we don't want, nor would have to endure a second civil war.

But as more and more time goes by, more and more of the people I talk to are going from 'no way that ever happens' to '...this can't actually happen, can it?'

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (ayFCE)

162 The only way there can be a civil war is if those groups can persuade the military and police to suppress their political opponents. I'm skeptical. Civil disorder, collapse, lawlessness. Those all seem vaguely possible.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (ZLlh9)
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If it comes, it will likely be regional and local lawlessness, nullification and guerrilla actions corresponding with likely unrelated gangland behavior and settlement of grudges. I suspect it would be very messy, very confused and I doubt something like "armies attacking each other" is on the roadmap.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (e/H31)

163 *blush* It's mostly water...

Posted by: Liz Warren's Momentum at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (XiVKO)

164 Yeah can't wait to see you all out on the ramparts in Duluth, NYC, Boston, Kansas City, Memphis, Baltimore, LA, San Berdoo, Houston, Yuma....

Hella big country ya know

Posted by: Tu abuela tambien at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (TuPuY)

165 George Snuffleufagus said Taylor's integrity was unassailable because he attended West Point with honors. So did Benedict Arnold, George.

You remember him; he was Commander-in-Chief George Washington's Whistleblower.

Just more Bull-Schiff from the #SecretImpeachmentBunker.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (Ndje9)

So is Bill Taylor really the Original Whistleblower in the first place?

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (NFEMn)

166 curious pole dancer

who would that be ?

Posted by: REDACTED at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (rpxSz)

167
Because California passed a state law allowing it, and States have the authority to police the mechanics of their own elections. When a solid majority of a state decides to embrace fraud as an ordinary course of doing business, there's almost nothing legally that can be done about it.

Which means that if the rest of the States don't want to put up with this, they need to kick California out.
Posted by: Alfred the Butler at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (Kpl3J)

But this law is disenfranchising the citizens of California.

Posted by: ALH at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (uLuPn)

168 Your last line is beautiful, ace.

As to:

"What fucking sense does it make security freedom in some other country when it is currently under deadly assault here, and most of our supposed leaders are busy babbling babytalk and telling us everything is swell and going according to plan?"

It makes perfect sense if we recall what Plato wrote in "Republic" 400 years before the Roman Empire reached its zenith. All republics that become empires become tyrannies (almost typed "trannies") and use war to distract the masses with constant states of war.

This is happening quicker than most of us thought. That percentage will be near 100 by the end of next year.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (iw59Q)

169 I would surmise that 100% of true patriots are ready for the kinetic.

Posted by: overit at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (sI15f)

170
I'm totally down with crushing the 'cukservatives' and all their white supremecist minions -- just as soon as I post this photo of my perfect soy blueberry muffin I got with my Latte. Oh, and, long live future president AOC and socialism!!

Posted by: Millenial SJW 'W' for Warrior in the True Sense. Plus YES Socialism!! at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (rXie1)

171 152 It's hard to see how a kinetic civil war actually starts. What would have to happen? Perhaps a Trump victory in 2020. Some attempt at seizing power is usually what kicks something like this off.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (Kpl3J)

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I think it's about the same as the judge who was presiding over a pornography case: "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it."

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (qC1Sy)

172 I give a flying fuck what Moogan McCain has to say on anything. She's on The View, for chryssakes.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (Zz0t1)

173 162 If it comes, it will likely be regional and local lawlessness, nullification and guerrilla actions corresponding with likely unrelated gangland behavior and settlement of grudges. I suspect it would be very messy, very confused and I doubt something like "armies attacking each other" is on the roadmap.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (e/H31)

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"Just one of us could lick ten of those Republican boys!"

"You know that licking in that context doesn't actually refer to using the tongue on another person, right?"

"What does it mean?"

"You know, like beating them up."

"But they're so much bigger than us!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (q80AH)

174 We're already in a cold civil war that's getting fought in Congress and the Courts.

Would anyone be surprised if Scalise did a Preston Brooks and caned Schiff to death

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (lCkzY)

175 The CWII starts when EBT cards stop working.

Posted by: you heard it here first at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (w7KSn)

176 alexthechick: "Because I seem to recall the Never Trumpers using all kinds of ad Hitlerium..."

Ad Hitlerium. That's going into thesaurus. Excellent.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (6eEQ+)

177 --President John F. Kennedy, 1961, on John Brennan's CIA Coup Attempt, Adam Schiff's Impeachment Coup Attempt and the Corrupt Media's Propaganda Coup Attempt
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Posted by: The Gipper Lives

The timeline here is a bit suspect.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (1Vobx)

178 165 George Snuffleufagus said Taylor's integrity was unassailable because he attended West Point with honors. So did Benedict Arnold, George.

You remember him; he was Commander-in-Chief George Washington's Whistleblower.

Just more Bull-Schiff from the #SecretImpeachmentBunker.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (Ndje9)

So is Bill Taylor really the Original Whistleblower in the first place?
Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (NFEMn)

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How many Confederate generals went to West Point?

I think it was somewhere around definitely more than 1.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (q80AH)

179 Exactly. I want to know how many people in that poll believe we're on
the verge of war because evil Trump and his supporters are planning to
start one, versus the ones who look at antifa and realize which side
already fired the first shots.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState

It doesn't matter because both sides are coming to recognize they having nothing to discuss with the other side. You can't talk the Left out of their religious zealotry.

Posted by: WOPR at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (J70i0)

180 I saw a good article somewhere on a shtf weapons, remember AR 15, lever gun in .357, not sure what else, probably a shotgun. I'd probably go with pcc in 10mm and a matching Glock.
Posted by: Farmer Bob

Stay away from esoteric calibers.
.22lr, .357, .9mm, .45 acp, .223, .308, 7.62x39,
12 gauge.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (QFqpA)

181 The Civil War was occasioned by the election of Lincoln. Civil War II may be occasioned by the re-election of Trump.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (+y/Ru)

And there you have it, folks.

This is going to the Democrat's mantra.
You want Civil War? Re-elect Trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (NFEMn)

182 Thank you Ace!

You know, I am willing to actually *grant* that at least a few neo-cons have good intentions. But they are utterly out of touch with how many problems at home we have.

How can we project power abroad and make everything nice and good over there, when we are losing it here?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (ujg0T)

183 I'd hate to be these guys if things get a bit hot. They're the public face whether they like it or not and would possibly be very early casualties.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (j3npP)

184 We're IN a civil war. It just might not involve colander face masks or very much shooting (probably some).

Posted by: Max Power at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (q177U)

185 I'd probably go with pcc in 10mm and a matching Glock.
Posted by: Farmer Bob
============================

10mm is too rare, go with 9mm or .45 ACP. If the balloon goes up you won't be able to go to Bass Pro and resupply.

Posted by: Guzalot at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (prSvo)

186 "It will become all one thing, or all the other"

Posted by: deepred at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (AfBox)

187 Stay away from esoteric calibers.

Stick with:
.22lr, .357, .9mm, .45 acp, .223, .308, 7.62x39,
12 gauge.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (QFqpA)

188 How would one go about increasing one's odds of survival in the event this does pan out?
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Easy, cut the power lines to cities as well as water lines. Shoot anyone who tries to escape.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (yRAFu)

189 There will not be a spontaneous civil war. There may be civil unrest but a civil war requires some semblance organized leadership.

Posted by: Easy Andy at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (2DOZq)

190 Totally OT:

Holy shit, I haven't listened to the Who's album Quadrophenia in at least 20 years, and just did. I'd forgotten how incredible that album is.

Hmmm, Aerosmith's Rocks, wonder how that will sound after 30 years?

BRB

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (g7BLK)

191 Could Jerry Nadler smuggle a weapon into Congress under his gunt?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (Uu+Jp)

192 When the Apocalypse starts I might hop on board Team Zombie early.

Posted by: Max Power at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (q177U)

193 This is going to the Democrat's mantra.
You want Civil War? Re-elect Trump.

When you fight masculinity in your ranks, you don't fight wars.

Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (dBiBP)

194 This is going to the Democrat's mantra.
You want Civil War? Re-elect Trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at

Challenge accepted.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (QFqpA)

195 Civil disorder, collapse, lawlessness. Those all seem vaguely possible.

Taibbi explained what a coup looks like. Some agency allied with a local (urban) government and its police-union orders the police to do X. Trump and his generals order the town to do Y. Say you're Sergeant Malone McDonut, ten years on the force and just trying to do your job.

Who's most likely to support your pension?

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (ykYG2)

196 167
Because California passed a state law allowing it, and States have the authority to police the mechanics of their own elections. When a solid majority of a state decides to embrace fraud as an ordinary course of doing business, there's almost nothing legally that can be done about it.

Which means that if the rest of the States don't want to put up with this, they need to kick California out.
Posted by: Alfred the Butler at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM (Kpl3J)

But this law is disenfranchising the citizens of California.
Posted by: ALH at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (uLuPn)

==========

That's why a federal lawsuit isn't out of order, but the lawsuit has to come from someone directly affected within the state.

Is there really no Republican presence in the state that could organize such a lawsuit? A combination of voters and electoral losers backed by a few million dollars to fund the lawsuit?

Come on!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (q80AH)

197 Has anyone asked the NeverTrump cabal how many genders they think there are? I bet the answers would be amusing.

Posted by: WOPR at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (J70i0)

198 Could Jerry Nadler smuggle a weapon into Congress under his gunt?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (Uu+Jp)

He could smuggle an entire Golden Corral under that thing.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (Zz0t1)

199 88 Who leaked the naked pic of Congress woman

And why
Posted by: Yo! at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (1XAal)

Aggressive divorce, I think.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (RD7QR)

200 Now the question is what do we do about it? War especially civil war is ugly. Prepare to fight for what we believe. Prepare to lose all that you have for the greater good. I fear for our nation. It will never be the same after a hot civil war. Pray. Pray like the wind.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (0OmEj)

201
Hmm. Second look at secession.

Posted by: Texas at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (rXie1)

202 "Wouldn't a Velvet Divorce be preferable?"

No. I want my pound of flesh from these assholes.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (jWe5r)

203 152 It's hard to see how a kinetic civil war actually starts. What would have to happen? Perhaps a Trump victory in 2020. Some attempt at seizing power is usually what kicks something like this off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (Kpl3J)

It could also happen by increasing disregard for the central authority. Then the feds roll in, or they give up and states starting punching each other.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (QJ8Jo)

204 181 The Civil War was occasioned by the election of Lincoln. Civil War II may be occasioned by the re-election of Trump.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (+y/Ru)

And there you have it, folks.

This is going to the Democrat's mantra.
You want Civil War? Re-elect Trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (NFEMn)

=========

It won't happen.

They'll burn Portland and Los Angeles. That'll teach them Conservatives.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (q80AH)

205

The Civil War has already begun.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (NSvtg)

206 Who leaked the naked pic of Congress woman

It could be anybody, really.

Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (dBiBP)

207 Aggressive divorce, I think.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (RD7QR)

That means she shared the pic with the husband.

Posted by: Easy Andy at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (2DOZq)

208 Taibbi explained what a coup looks like. Some agency allied with a local (urban) government and its police-union orders the police to do X. Trump and his generals order the town to do Y. Say you're Sergeant Malone McDonut, ten years on the force and just trying to do your job.

Who's most likely to support your pension?
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (ykYG2)

All this talk about Y makes me want to eat.

Posted by: Katie Hill at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (Zz0t1)

209 You want Civil War? Re-elect Trump.
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That's a good bumper sticker. Where can I get one?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (yRAFu)

210 You can't coexist when both sides have diametrically opposite views of the world.
State that there are only two sexes/genders and watch the nuts try to explain why you are the next Stalin.
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By way of example

I attended a continuing education thing earlier this week and it deal a bit with free speech issues. Lawyer had the nerve to try an defend drag queen story hour as something that was good and the public should stop judging so should just libraries police themselves.

Change is only good when it moves in their direction. And they won't be satisfied. Ever. Its a pathology. Its not enough to tolerate, you must approve. Now you have to let drag queens read to 2 year olds in the library. Eventually your public schools will be full of teachers in drag . . . and then that wont be enough.

Insert Bob Hope Joke Here.

Posted by: a destructive urge that can not be satisfied at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (lGfCg)

211 You can't coexist when both sides have diametrically opposite views of the world.
...
Posted by: WOPR at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (J70i0)
+++++++++++++
This is what I view as a serious problem. If you agree on the goal or fundamental - dare I say it - principles but disagree on the best ways to get there, then you can have opposition and parties and everything else and still have a functional system.

If you disagree on those final goals or fundamental principles, however, you can't - it will just fall to pieces. The Left disagrees with the Right (whatever the hell those terms mean anymore) about everything - nations, sovereignty, culture, faith, science, industry, education - it is all in opposition between the groups.

Few if any fundamental precepts are shared anymore, which makes reconciliation ... difficult.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (e/H31)

212 This is going to the Democrat's mantra.
You want Civil War? Re-elect Trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at

Challenge accepted.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (QFqpA)

Right, but it's not directed at you and me.
It's directed at those who didn't vote Trump last time but are thinking about doing so next time.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:37 PM (NFEMn)

213 Did we ever find a list of the Republican reps who went into yesterday's communist Star Chamber?

Posted by: Brunnhilde at October 24, 2019 01:37 PM (cgdyM)

214 168,
You forgot for the fun, prestige, and profits of the elites as well. Often it was not so much distraction of the public but a striving to gain power within an society. Check out Alcibiades for example and why he did what he did. He was about as principled as Mitt Romney.

Posted by: whig at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (MItID)

215 Damn, where did I pack that Zouave outfit?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (FTlwv)

216 I remember when people were threatened with bans for suggesting this.

Posted by: Apostate at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (NA+PZ)

217 Were I one of these outlaw Obama judges I might think about some more range time

Posted by: jaytrain at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (eh3OZ)

218 Weasel, a suggested Gun Thread topic when you're too busy or tired to research and write a lot: SHTF gun and ammo recommendations. Give us your plan and/or thoughts, and let the comment storm begin! I believe there's sure to be good advice. (If you've already done this topic, I apologize for my bad memory.)

Posted by: Gref at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (AMIL/)

Quick and dirty for new starters and opinions will vary. Maybe swap 1 and 2. Maybe swap 3 and 4.

1. 12 ga pump shotgun, mix of ammo to include buckshot, bird shot, and slugs.

2. Self defense handgun. .357 revolver or glock 17 9mm. 38 special and .357 for the revolver or 9 mm 115 grain FMJ for the

3. Hunting rifle and scope in common caliber such as .308 Win.

4. .22 LR rifle such as a bolt or lever action repeater.

At least a 1,000 rounds for each, and 5,000 .22 LR. After that, you can think about semi-auto rifles like ARs.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (jYnPD)

219 But this law is disenfranchising the citizens of California.
Posted by: ALH at October 24, 2019 01:32 PM (uLuPn)

easy to say, hard to prove. The problem is that the law itself is so innocuous - it just allows others people to deliver absentee or mail-in ballots to the election officials, if the voter agrees. They say "but we're making it easier to vote, not harder!!!"

The problem is that this is so lax that it allows for a huge amount of wink, wink, nudge, nudge corruption that is encouraged and enabled by the local power structure. But it can never be proved because all of the election officials, and all of the investigators, and all of the police, and all of the State officials are in on the corruption and will certify that it isn't happening.

It's similar to the situation in Mexico that we were discussing earlier; once a society becomes so *totally* corrupt that there is no one left in the power structure who is honest, then there is no "peaceful" way out of the situation. It cannot be repaired by normal, civil means.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (Kpl3J)

220 I had to check again if this was written by Ace himself... sure enough.

The last few years have been illuminating.

I agree with all you just said.

Posted by: petunia at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (4FqDg)

221 Stay away from esoteric calibers.

Stick with:
.22lr, .357, .9mm, .45 acp, .223, .308, 7.62x39,
12 gauge.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:34 PM (QFqpA)
..........

glad to see mine listed! I done good?

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (v0R5T)

222 "It won't happen.

They'll burn Portland and Los Angeles. That'll teach them Conservatives."

I think this is right. The left are crazy, and they'll get even worse after Trump wins again. Then they'll lash out in their own shitholes, because they are losers.

Posted by: Chris M at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (eAZVt)

223 Hella big country ya know
Posted by: Tu abuela tambien"

Yeah. They'll have a hell of time taking it down.

Oh, and "yo mama" too...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (6qErC)

224 George Snuffleufagus said Taylor's integrity was unassailable because he attended West Point with honors. So did Benedict Arnold, George.

You remember him; he was Commander-in-Chief George Washington's Whistleblower.

Just more Bull-Schiff from the #SecretImpeachmentBunker.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM

Point of order. Arnold did not attend West Point the school (est. 1802). He tried to betray West Point the fort.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 24, 2019 01:39 PM (ejd/p)

225 LOLGF
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (GbPPJ)

You never fail to impress, you tiny scamp.

Posted by: reason at October 24, 2019 01:39 PM (XiVKO)

226 Alfred the Butler

Your buddy Batman is a total pussy.

All the other supers think it, but most won't say it because "decorum" and shit, but there it is. Everyone calls him "BatFag" behind his back.

Ha ha ha ha ha!

/Supers

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2019 01:39 PM (g7BLK)

227 The funny thing is, it's actually Trump that holding things back from really boiling over with his economic policies keeping most people fat and happy.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 24, 2019 01:39 PM (4thlk)

228 Haven't mayors endorsing Antifa control over their cities already started a form of civil war?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 24, 2019 01:39 PM (Uu+Jp)

229 The Civil War is ongoing with Influence Operations via Google/FB and the MSM the nuclear weapons of the left. They dirty up anyone on the Trump side (America First side). Rudy is under attack, Barr as well.

The Mueller report was not real ... it was an editorial that failed to prove Trump innocent and presented hints and allegations with no foundation or predicate. Yet they persist.

The Civil War is not hot, it will be won or lost without going hot, imo. It is a PsyOp war, the continuation of Obama's Fundamental Transformation of America, with a strategic retreat beginning the day after Hillary lost.

What percent of those recognizing the civil war are on the side of silencing the deplorables, in order to save the planet and end racism? A minority I hope, but the narratives are mixed, and the masses don't have Congress, or money, or media, or a well funded antifa army.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 24, 2019 01:39 PM (Cus5s)

230 ... the other cause of an actual civil war would be if the dems continue their assaultt on the constitution and dem-controlled states, eg ny and cal, continue to nullify federal law. that might lead to regional schism and war.

Posted by: mjc at October 24, 2019 01:39 PM (Pg+x7)

231
Could Jerry Nadler smuggle a weapon into Congress under his gunt?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (Uu+Jp)

Ma Deuce.

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 24, 2019 01:39 PM (88+cf)

232 217 Were I one of these outlaw Obama judges I might think about some more range time
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Guess they can't afford bugout hideouts in New Zealand and such.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (yRAFu)

233 It's hard to see how a kinetic civil war actually starts. What would have to happen? Perhaps a Trump victory in 2020. Some attempt at seizing power is usually what kicks something like this off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (Kpl3J)

It could also happen by increasing disregard for the central authority. Then the feds roll in, or they give up and states starting punching each other.
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I'm putting my money on a Hawaiian Judge.

Posted by: it'll be fittingly stupid so . . . at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (Osnzv)

234 The guy over at Rotten Chestnuts pointed out that the morality of the Left today is simply a flowchart. Hold the wrong position and you are necessarily evil.
-------

Sorry but I could not disagree any more. Here is the actual reality:

You are ALREADY evil. The Left will *invent* a position you disagree with, make it their own, and then retroactively claim its the reason you are evil. This makes their presumption of your guilt, and their prescribed controls and punishments, more publicly palatable to the natural cowards who simply don't want to be next.

Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (EJ0X1)

235 Posted by: whig at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (MItID

That's funny because Alcibiades is who I think Trump resembles.

Posted by: Easy Andy at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (2DOZq)

236 218
Weasel, a suggested Gun Thread topic when you're too busy or tired to
research and write a lot: SHTF gun and ammo recommendations. Give us
your plan and/or thoughts, and let the comment storm begin! I believe
there's sure to be good advice. (If you've already done this topic, I
apologize for my bad memory.)

Posted by: Gref at October 24, 2019 01:22 PM (AMIL/)

Quick and dirty for new starters and opinions will vary. Maybe swap 1 and 2. Maybe swap 3 and 4.

1. 12 ga pump shotgun, mix of ammo to include buckshot, bird shot, and slugs.

2. Self defense handgun. .357 revolver or glock 17 9mm. 38 special and .357 for the revolver or 9 mm 115 grain FMJ for the

3. Hunting rifle and scope in common caliber such as .308 Win.

4. .22 LR rifle such as a bolt or lever action repeater.

At least a 1,000 rounds for each, and 5,000 .22 LR. After that, you can think about semi-auto rifles like ARs.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:38 PM (jYnPD)
Agree. The key here is not to invest too heavily in exotic calibers. While shooting a FN57, how likely are you to come across 5.7mm ammo as opposed to 9mm or 45acp?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (N39Ws)

237 Thanks for the advice, but honestly, if I burn through my supply and have to forage, I'll make due with .40, still plenty of that (and I have an ar in 7.62x39 so it's not really a question for me).

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (87EdW)

238 "Latest Poll Shows Biden Facing His Biggest Deficit Yet as Warren's Momentum Swells"

and she even lied about being a squaw

-
I just saw a poll today that Joe is increasing his lead. Lying liars and their lying polls.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (+y/Ru)

239 For those of you that have been to a MoMe at my house, Well, you know.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (JinpT)

240 November 2020 will kick it off. Be prepared.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (sNESL)

241 My personal feeling that is whatever happens that's going to be called a Civil War WON'T happen while Trump is President. And probably not if Pence or another Republican follows him.

It will happen when the Democrats take over and try to overturn and rollback what Trump did and when they "go after" deplorables to make them pay for electing Trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:40 PM (NFEMn)

242 The worst part is most of our "leaders" will either poo-poo this poll or claim it's a slanted poll. Everyone sees a civil war is eventually coming, and the politicos and "journalists" will be shocked to find no one will care about their specific fates.

Ace's idea of a "national divorcee: should have been embraced by the politicians two years ago. Now it's too late.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 24, 2019 01:41 PM (AFSld)

243 12 ga pump shotgun, mix of ammo to include buckshot, bird shot, and slugs."

Buddy of mine has a PW Arms 12 gauge. Interesting shotgun... easy to carry and to bring on target, but a bit of a kick.
Would be a highly effective streetsweeper.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:41 PM (6qErC)

244 Could Jerry Nadler smuggle a weapon into Congress under his gunt?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (Uu+Jp)

Ma Deuce.

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Sherman tank.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 01:41 PM (+y/Ru)

245 Which side, left or right, sinks Cap'n Bill's tugboat?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 24, 2019 01:41 PM (Uu+Jp)

246

At least we have the whorish Katie Hill to keep us occupied with her drunken pussy grabs.

"BREAKING: Hunter Biden provided legal advice to a Romanian charged with real estate fraud, at a time when his father was pushing corruption reforms in the country."

Oh, I guess the sturdy-legged and corn-fed bimbo Harfie would say this is also nothing to be concerned about.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at October 24, 2019 01:41 PM (ikxxu)

247 "Latest Poll Shows Biden Facing His Biggest Deficit Yet as Warren's Momentum Swells"

It doesn't matter. They are both complete losers.

Posted by: Chris M at October 24, 2019 01:41 PM (eAZVt)

248 So yeah. A credible reaction to numbers like this would be "People think we're on the edge of a civil war....why do they think that?"

The Regulatory Fictionistas are saying "People think we're on the edge of a civil war....how can we explain why they're wrong?"

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at October 24, 2019 01:41 PM (C+We0)

249 207 Aggressive divorce, I think.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (RD7QR)

That means she shared the pic with the husband.
Posted by: Easy Andy at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (2DOZq)

Joncelli's Laws of Digital Photography, As Amended

1. Everybody now carries a camera on their person.

2. If you allow somebody to take a picture of you in a compromising position, or send such a photo to somebody, the chance that it will end up posted at the end of a relationship are better than 80 percent.

3. Every sufficiently famous person will be videoed making a gesture that looks like a Nazi salute.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:41 PM (RD7QR)

250 228 Haven't mayors endorsing Antifa control over their cities already started a form of civil war?
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Yes. The way to bring it to a halt is hanging such mayors from lightposts. If it worked in Italy it will work here.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (yRAFu)

251 So is Bill Taylor really the Original Whistleblower in the first place? Posted by: JoeF.

No. That's probably that Ciamarreli-guy--if it's not a composite. You know, like Obama's girlfriend.

and Obama.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (Ndje9)

252 The funny thing is, it's actually Trump that holding things back from really boiling over with his economic policies keeping most people fat and happy.
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Pretty much the main thing stabilizing the world and our domestic situation is the domestic economy. All while trump is juggling a trade war. Amaze balls.

Posted by: it'll be fittingly stupid so . . . at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (YdOQp)

253 Duh it's a BATTLEGROUND poll!

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (TTgpD)

254 I saw Uncivil Warriors open for The Prolapsed Ani at The Bottom Line in 81!

Posted by: Henry Bibby at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (XXaRO)

255 But how many of that 67 percent are left wingers who support such a civil war?

Also, for the majority of American voters who don't know their ass from their elbow, the old song comes to mind: Does anybody remember know what time it is? Does anybody really care?

Posted by: mercenary13 at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (NbP16)

256 Those all seem vaguely possible.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 24, 2019 01:28 PM (ZLlh9)

Fair points.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (jYnPD)

257 For those of you that have been to a MoMe at my house, Well, you know."

We'll have to set up a Central/SE Texas line...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (6qErC)

258 22 Don't fall into the "buy ammo" trap.

Buy magazines also!
Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:15 PM (QFqpA)

I'm a believer in an assistant gunner. You get more magazines, they are loaded, and you don't have to carry them.
However, a spouse as an assistant gunner usually doesn't work. Lordy knows, I've looked around for one and every one has failed speed loading a mag with 28 rounds.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (e1mEI)

259 The cut of the Ewok's job here seems vaguely familiar to. Just can't quite put my finger on it.

Posted by: Strategy and Tactics at October 24, 2019 01:43 PM (Iq27Y)

260 "Duh it's a BATTLEGROUND poll!"

LOL!

Posted by: Chris M at October 24, 2019 01:43 PM (eAZVt)

261 I really think we're in a fever. Temperature's hot, obviously, but it will break.

The Democratic Party was caught with its pants down in 2016 and rushed to placate their activist base in order to keep their house in one piece. 2018 provided them with further proof that they could still function as a single electoral entity.

However, a loss in 2020 would end the detente within the Democratic Party. We could be looking at a civil war, but not across the nation. It would happen within the Democratic Party as the two major factions lash out at each other, trying to push the other out, and lay claim to the power of the party itself.

We'll see some rich progressives like Steyer funding a third party and courting sitting far left Democrats into it so they can jump start their Socialist Environmental Party with sitting members of Congress. It will grow for a couple of years until it goes the way of most third parties and dies. The activist left will be left out in the cold power wise as the Establishment Democrats reassert their power over the party, relegating the far left to the back of the bus when they eventually come crawling back.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:43 PM (q80AH)

262 Any kinetic civil war today would be more along the lines of more rural areas vs heavily urbanized areas. As we've discussed before, modern cities are extremely vulnerable to supply disruption.

It would be much more like the civil wars or 1640's England or 1930's Spain than the American Civil War, which was a regional rebellion.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:43 PM (Kpl3J)

263 A FLASHPOINT might occur if a Democrat "wins" next year's election amid evidence of widespread fraud and media jumps the gun and announces the Democrat as the "winner"

When Trump say, "Hold on, it's not over...."

That might do it.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:43 PM (NFEMn)

264 247 "Latest Poll Shows Biden Facing His Biggest Deficit Yet as Warren's Momentum Swells"

It doesn't matter. They are both complete losers.
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Biden, because of black support, is the best vote getter of the nominees. Yeah, he'll lose but not as bad as Warren or Bernie.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:43 PM (yRAFu)

265 However, a spouse as an assistant gunner usually doesn't work. Lordy knows, I've looked around for one and every one has failed speed loading a mag with 28 rounds.

Mine keeps complaining that the bandoleer makes her ankles look fat.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone gives a shit at October 24, 2019 01:43 PM (C+We0)

266 A civil war with actual opposing armies is not particularly close since despite everyone hating everyone else, everyone is actually some combination of fat, old, rich, and/or lazy.

Yeah, there's some trans activists probably ready to ORDER an invasion of Alabama over separate bathroom bills or whatever, but they are not themselves willing to camp out for a week without air conditioning and wifi.

And of course many people claim to ready to fight in the streets over this and that injustice, but they're mostly 70 years old boomers online too much or racial minorities hoping to loot the neighborhood shoe store and then call it day.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (hdzef)

267 152 It's hard to see how a kinetic civil war actually starts. What would have to happen? Perhaps a Trump victory in 2020. Some attempt at seizing power is usually what kicks something like this off.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (Kpl3J)

Do not extrapolate from our current position. Reason backwards: assume a kinetic civil war has started. How did it start?

There are lots of scenarios. For example, antifa shitheads riot at the Democrat convention in Milwaukee, the mayor whiffs on suppressing the riot, antifa takes over part of the city, Trump sends in the National Guard, shots get fired, antifa barricades the streets in the part it holds, the National Guard assaults the barricades, and heavy fighting ensues. Other antifa groups in other cities follow suit, and there you go.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (YqDXo)

268 So MLB is all up in arms about one of their umpires talking about civil war if Trump actually does get impeached. First of all. Fuck MLB and second, he's not wrong. If Trump committed some high crime and misdemeanor, OK. But they aren't even following the process. If he's so guilty, let's see it. Why are you doing it in secret? So far it's jay walking and they want him on murder. Fuck that. It's my vote, not yours. You don't like him, I get it, then tell me why I should vote for you. Instead, you pricks decided you don't like the results of an election and decided it would be easier for you to have a coup. Not happening.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (0W3mK)

269
It's hard to see how a kinetic civil war actually starts. What would
have to happen? Perhaps a Trump victory in 2020. Some attempt at seizing
power is usually what kicks something like this off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (Kpl3J)
Perhaps Trump's 2020 victory won't touch it off, but I'd wager a good amount of money things will get sporty the day after election day.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (N39Ws)

270 Hmm. Second look at secession.
Posted by: Texas

Texas Nationalist Movement on Facebook.
#Texit

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (QFqpA)

271 117
as Warren's Momentum Swells"
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That ain't momentum. {shudder}

Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 01:25 PM (EJ0X1)

Dayaaaaam.

Posted by: Mitch O's package at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (ymnmz)

272 "You want Civil War? Re-elect Trump."

I was thinking the same thing for the Left's campaign.

Then I thought, we're already in a Civil War. We should go with, "Want to WIN the Civil War? Re-elect Trump."

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (6eEQ+)

273 Never Trumpers using all kinds of ad Hitlerium and attacking the veracity of people's faith and other far more egregious language.
But Trump's the problem.
LOLGF
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (GbPPJ)

I once saw an ad for Hitlerium. It said side effects may include suicidal thoughts.

Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (EJ0X1)

274 Also, for the majority of American voters who don't know their ass from their elbow, the old song comes to mind: Does anybody remember know what time it is? Does anybody really care?
Posted by: mercenary13 at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (NbP16)

It's only the beginning.....

Posted by: Chicago at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (NFEMn)

275
The fact that these media outlets report the Democrat talking points about impeachment with a straight face just plain amazes me. There are not honest media any more. They're rare anyway. As hen's teeth.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (rXie1)

276 What's a horny politician gotta do to get a drink around here?

Posted by: Katie Hill at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (Zz0t1)

277 We really should try to be clear about this:

The left's refusal to accept the results of peaceful elections makes civil war inevitable. The fucking left and only the fucking left is responsible for the war that's coming.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (sWM8x)

278 >>>I'm a believer in an assistant gunner. You get more magazines, they are loaded, and you don't have to carry them.

When my F-I-L passed away in 2018 he left me three WWII era ammo boxes - the big metal ones - and about three dozen pistol magazines for 9mm and 45s. Guy always believed is being prepared.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (AFSld)

279 If it comes, it will likely be regional and local lawlessness, nullification and guerrilla actions corresponding with likely unrelated gangland behavior and settlement of grudges. I suspect it would be very messy, very confused and I doubt something like "armies attacking each other" is on the roadmap.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 01:31 PM (e/H31)

We already have the lawlessness, with Soros funded DAs in most cities ignoring criminals and letting them go free.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (FTPn0)

280 You know, before we all Go Civil War 2.0, let's try this:

2020: Take back the House, with real pro-Trump Republicans.
2021: Start HUAC Hearings 2.0, with "Activist" Goons called up before committees, and start some real "Blacklisting" on a private level, with even left leaning or accommodating "Captains of Industry" called out.

This might not (probably won't?) work, but it's the last non-violent tool we have before any actual shooting.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (ujg0T)

281 The first shot of the first civil war as at Fort Sumter, SC.

The first shot of the second one was at a softball field in Alexandria, VA.

Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (Gvpa/)

282 255 But how many of that 67 percent are left wingers who support such a civil war?

Also, for the majority of American voters who don't know their ass from their elbow, the old song comes to mind: Does anybody remember know what time it is? Does anybody really care?
Posted by: mercenary13 at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (NbP16)
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I will guarantee you that every single person who supports a civil war thinks it will go their way and only the people on the other side, the bad ones, will die.

People like me, who consider Civil War inevitable, recognize just how awful it will be and are resigned to things going pear shaped, but in no way look forward to it, other than wanting to get the inevitable over with.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (qC1Sy)

283 as the Establishment Democrats reassert their power over the party,
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Problem, the Establishment Dems are geriatrics. They will be dead in less than 10 years.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (yRAFu)

284 Yesterday's shenanigans on Capital Hill was not entirely unlike the
caning of Charles Sumner in 1856 and the Texas child mutilation verdict
is a clear indication that there is no justice in the judiciary.
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NY Proud Boys verdict. Four years!!!!

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (MIKMs)

285 Get a barrel of salt and some recipes for raccoon and possum.

.

Posted by: Toad-O at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (cct0t)

286 Hmm. Second look at secession.
Posted by: Texas"

Nope. We're not going anywhere. My flag stays flying.
Our "elites" can bugger off.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (6qErC)

287 Re-read Sledge's "With the Old Breed."

Most Americans, including the NRA members, have no f'ing clue what real war is about. Their infantile wet dreams remind me of the Tom Cruise figure in the movie Taps.

Sherman wasn't a newb when he declared "War is All Hell."

Talk to any vet who has actually seen combat, or been around IED's, or anything like that, and ask them what their opinion is of open combat.

The US Army cut through Iraq's best like they weren't even there - but they WERE there. Iraq DID have armor and heavy weapons and a modicum of training.

But Antifa is a threat? Home Militia's are a threat?

The government fights at night, with essentially invisible weapons, raining death from above, but your "black rifle" scares them?

Infantile fantasies. A "Civil War," when 90% of the military is Conservative?

This ain't 1860. These people who believe this sh*t are fantasists and imbeciles.

Posted by: RobM1981 at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (uOe/W)

288 >>>Then I thought, we're already in a Civil War.

Dennis Prager has said we've been in a cold Civil War for years now. He's not wrong. We can probably thank Obama for that. He'll get his wish.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (AFSld)

289 OT: My office is getting to be a parody of the modern SJW world. My current boss is stepping down from his director position, and so the university has engaged a search firm to find his replacement. The two consultants are coming next month. I've looked at their bios.

One is a white woman who has made sure to mention "social justice" in her bio. The other is a black man who did his dissertation on some aspect of the "Jim Crow South."

You couldn't ask for a more perfect image of what America is these days.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (ClOmq)

290 That's why a federal lawsuit isn't out of order, but the lawsuit has to come from someone directly affected within the state.

Is there really no Republican presence in the state that could organize such a lawsuit? A combination of voters and electoral losers backed by a few million dollars to fund the lawsuit?

Come on!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:35 PM (q80AH)

The Vichy Republicans here sold out their birthright for a mess of pottage years ago. I wouldn't look for a resurgence anytime soon.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (FTPn0)

291 277 We really should try to be clear about this:

The left's refusal to accept the results of peaceful elections makes civil war inevitable. The fucking left and only the fucking left is responsible for the war that's coming.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (sWM8x)

So what happens when (knocks wood) Trump wins in 2020, particularly if it's close?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (RD7QR)

292 281 The first shot of the first civil war as at Fort Sumter, SC.
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True. Also true is the 24 hour artillery duel resulted in zero casualties on either side.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (yRAFu)

293 The targets on the left are easy to identify.

If it comes to that.

Posted by: eleven at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (tH5fk)

294 huh. i thought bill clinton was like alcibiades, a popular guy who would believe in anything.

Posted by: mjc at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (Pg+x7)

295 I'd like to disengage from the rest of the world but I don't think we can so maybe I'm at least neo-con sympathetic however...

And this does tie to the question of a serious internal schism and the question of exporting liberty while ignoring it at home...

We weren't exporting liberty. Not at least for all of Obama's admin and probably not for most of Bush's though he did TRY I think, at least he understood the idea of it.

But self-haters can't bring themselves to export their values because their values are self-hate. People who believed in what is right and good, you know, and who believe we ought to export our values, they knew that our soldiers were ordered to ignore the worst abuses including arresting the guy who went and saved a little boy who was chained to a bed as a sex slave when the boy's mother begged someone to help her.

It's not a choice between exporting our values, democracy or whatever, and defending them at home, when we weren't even pretending to try to do that. AS IF the values in Afghanistan actually sided with child rape over a mother's horror and concern. When people *can't* look to us and to our representatives to affirmatively do something as simple and morally unabiguous as THAT, well, we're just screwed.

Posted by: Synova at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (BD/yx)

296 276 What's a horny politician gotta do to get a drink around here?
Posted by: Katie Hill

LOL. Here, take this hairbrush. Now get naked and curry me.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (rXie1)

297 Late to the thread, just half way through reading Ace's post -- but I gotta stop and say BRAVISIMO, ACE!

Posted by: Hands at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (786Ro)

298 291
So what happens when (knocks wood) Trump wins in 2020, particularly if it's close?
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (RD7QR)

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The Democratic Party explodes into civil war, the left and center left eating each other.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (q80AH)

299 Get a barrel of salt and some recipes for raccoon and possum."

Long pig.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (6qErC)

300 The first shot of the second one was at a softball field in Alexandria, VA.
Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (Gvpa/)

That's more analogous to John Brown.

Posted by: Easy Andy at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (2DOZq)

301 Any kinetic civil war today would be more along the lines of more rural areas vs heavily urbanized areas. As we've discussed before, modern cities are extremely vulnerable to supply disruption.

It would be much more like the civil wars or 1640's England or 1930's Spain than the American Civil War, which was a regional rebellion.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:43 PM

Lefty cidiots love to remind us how important they and their cities are if it ever came to it. One small problem I remind them of. At some point, you are going to run out of food. Good luck.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 24, 2019 01:48 PM (0W3mK)

302 >>>This ain't 1860.

I wish it was, and we could ban the left to the northeast and we could enjoy the south and its climate.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 24, 2019 01:48 PM (AFSld)

303 Wow, almost 300 comments and nobody mentioned Russia.

You know, there are a few countries around the world who are ALL TOO HAPPY to keep Americans at each other's throats. Some of this nonsense (trannies? socialists? gun-grabbers?) is undoubtedly coming in from them to keep us on edge.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at October 24, 2019 01:48 PM (xptlg)

304 235 Trump is more temperamentally like Pericles. He is trying to conserve a nation that is bleeding from both arms due to parasites.

Posted by: whig at October 24, 2019 01:48 PM (MItID)

305 276 What's a horny politician gotta do to get a drink around here?
Posted by: Katie Hill

Tell that old bitch talking to herself at the bar in the diaper to quit hogging the bottle.

Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (Gvpa/)

306 273 Never Trumpers using all kinds of ad Hitlerium and attacking the veracity of people's faith and other far more egregious language.
But Trump's the problem.
LOLGF
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (GbPPJ)

I once saw an ad for Hitlerium. It said side effects may include suicidal thoughts.
Posted by: ... at October

Well when one of the other side effects is the loss of a testicle...

Posted by: Buzzion at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (ewsxI)

307 300 The first shot of the second one was at a softball field in Alexandria, VA.
Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2019 01:45 PM (Gvpa/)

That's more analogous to John Brown.
Posted by: Easy Andy at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (2DOZq)

I'm told his body lies a-molderin' in the grave.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (RD7QR)

308 Probably stating the obvious but it seems to me a nation is when what unites us is greater than what divides us. What has happened in the past several years is the tipping point on this equation. It is not just the introduction of totalitarianism on the left, insisting we must "celebrate" and actively participate in beliefs we disagree with, but also that the social "glue" (what formerly united us) grows weaker and weaker every year.

The shared bonds of Western civiliation, a de facto Christian majority, shared pride in our national history and Constitution: all weakened progressively by a morally bankrupt education system, and by relentless demographic dilution of a culturally American population by the 1965 Kennedy National Suicide Act, accellerated by Obama's great influx over the duration of his term that has brought us to record high levels of population, and percentages of the recently immigrated and their offspring not seen since the turn of the last century (when the engines of assimilation were much, much stronger).

Throw into the mix the conquest of "Diversity" ideology that has rendered any of the traditional means of assimilation (sensible immigration numbers, valuing a common language and civics) almost taboo, and you have likely a majority of our population that essentially has nothing in common with traditional American society and values.

This at the time that the most strident, activists are trying to tear down even the idea of America, and instead want a "geographically diverse" America that consists of socialist management over open borders in a landmass that was once called the United States.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (koNhm)

309 Also - I do love being lectured about what "real war" is like.

No shiite, sherlock. That's why this is disturbing, you dumb fark.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (6qErC)

310 So what happens when (knocks wood) Trump wins in 2020, particularly if it's close?
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (RD7QR)

This is key.

If it looks to be a blowout anyway and Trump wins , that's one thing.
But if the media plays it's game and get's the Left's hopes up and Trump wins?

Look Out.

Also if the Dem wins --and it looks like there was a lot of fraud--and Trump says "I'm not conceding"

Look Out x100

Posted by: Chicago at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (NFEMn)

311 Just in case no one has pointed it out yet, but I imagine that not all of that 67% is on our side.

Posted by: Sooner at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (Fs5vw)

312 Oops. Disclosure: I did not read all the comments, I just did a quick search.

If you did mention Russia / The Great Bear etc, then I apologize. But the point is the same.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (xptlg)

313 There are lots of scenarios. For example, antifa shitheads riot at the Democrat convention in Milwaukee, the mayor whiffs on suppressing the riot, antifa takes over part of the city, Trump sends in the National Guard, shots get fired, antifa barricades the streets in the part it holds, the National Guard assaults the barricades, and heavy fighting ensues. Other antifa groups in other cities follow suit, and there you go.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 01:44 PM (YqDXo)

and yet - antifa isn't that strong, and they only have influence in cities that the Left controls anyways. And I don't think Trump would send troops in - he'd tell Milwaukee "hey, your monkey's, your circus".

A real civil war could only happen if some event was so big it caused the US Army to split in half and take sides.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (Kpl3J)

314 You know who a civil war helps?

Posted by: Pierre Delecto at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (EJ0X1)

315 251
So is Bill Taylor really the Original Whistleblower in the first place? Posted by: JoeF.

No. That's probably that Ciamarreli-guy--if it's not a composite. You know, like Obama's girlfriend.

and Obama.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (Ndje9)

Serious Question.
Do we know that there was actually a real whistle blower before Trump dropped the Ukraine transcript? Seems like the Dems were casting about after the fact for someone to wear the hat, cause they never thought they would have to produce a real whistle blower. Is that what Schiff is doing, interviewing for who will wear the whistle blower hat?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (ymnmz)

316 Ace on fire. This analysis is spot on. The most pressing issue IMO is free speech. GOP, as has been the case for 3 decades, is asleep at the wheel.

It's 2019, and the Left is several years into a blitzkrieg of de-platforming anything and anyone conservative-positive, while simultaneously magnifying the most ludicrous Progressive framing of all issues, including interpreting conservative ones. That's how we've arrived at "hey, I think we should rationally manage immigration to the U.S" = Nazi sexist racist white supremacy. If that's Nazi-talk, then not only should anyone speaking it be de-platformed, but you should also punch a Nazi.

It's a feedback loop completely controlled by the most radical elements of the Progressives, is occurring in the private sector (news, social media, academia, and in the streets), and has resulted in the blanket silencing of conservative discussion of issues across the board.

From here, all the Left just has to sit back and wait. Every year more and more 18- yr olds become eligible to vote, but they are being denied the benefit of hearing the conservative view point, from conservative perspective, on all issues. In a country now roughly split 50/50 on party lines, it's just a matter of time before the Left view point pulls ahead because if even 1% to 3% (* real conversion rate is probably much higher) of new voters each year are influenced Leftward due to grossly unequal volume of positive messaging on issues, and grossly unequal critical analysis of issues, that will enough to permanently tip the scales in all elections going forward.

And GOP happily takes Zuckerberg, Twitter, Google and Amazon re-election money, and does nothing.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (DRgs8)

317 274 Also, for the majority of American voters who don't know their ass from their elbow, the old song comes to mind: Does anybody really know what time it is? . . .
Posted by: mercenary13 at October 24, 2019 01:42 PM (NbP16)

*
*

It's approximately 3:35, give or take a minute.

Posted by: Chicago at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (ClOmq)

318 If you agree on the goal or fundamental - dare I say it - principles but disagree on the best ways to get there, then you can have opposition and parties and everything else and still have a functional system

That was the 1950s and 1960s. The majority of Republicans and Democrats - taken as a whole - were bipartisan in support of civil rights, defending the republics of South Korea and South Vietnam, reaching detente with the Soviets on the nuclear issue, and on expanding welfare. Southern Democrats were outliers. So was Goldwater. So was Gus Hall.

Reagan was different. He pulled working-class urban whites, the FDR base, off the Democrats.

Clinton held together another consensus, but a different one sometimes called "neoliberalism". Problem with that, is it assumes everyone else in the world will let America keep its competitive advantage.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (ykYG2)

319
Sherman wasn't a newb when he declared "War is All Hell."

Talk to any vet who has actually seen combat, or been around IED's, or anything like that, and ask them what their opinion is of open combat.

But Antifa is a threat? Home Militia's are a threat?

Posted by: RobM1981 at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (uOe/W)

Antifa routinely loses when Patriots show up, even *after* the cops disarm them and not Antifa. They are an effect and not the cause, we need to go after their handlers and enablers.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (FTPn0)

320 >>One small problem I remind them of. At some point, you are going to run out of food. Good luck.

Just toss an EMP device in Times Square. I'll start building Goldeneye!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (AFSld)

321 That was always the divide over Trump on the right of center side - those who grasp the gravity of the situation, and those who think the conflict is still a nice polite academic debate, and that the republic isn't in peril.

Posted by: Hands at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (786Ro)

322 California should be kicked out of the union.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:13 PM (Kpl3J)

Yes.

Posted by: clutch at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (Z3oWA)

323 303 Wow, almost 300 comments and nobody mentioned Russia.

You know, there are a few countries around the world who are ALL TOO HAPPY to keep Americans at each other's throats. Some of this nonsense (trannies? socialists? gun-grabbers?) is undoubtedly coming in from them to keep us on edge.
Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at October 24, 2019 01:48 PM (xptlg)

Oh FFS, get a new schtick.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (RD7QR)

324 I think it would be like Bosnia which is what Schlichter warns us of rather than the splitting in his books.

Your neighbor with the Hate has no home here sign will put a cap in your ass in a heartbeat because you are a Nazi.

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (TTgpD)

325
What's the salary range for a tame establishment fake conservative? How much annually for such prostitution?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (7LD+j)

326 OT: IDK if "Were you ever to drunk to board the plane"? is on any of those 10 question tests but it should be.

Posted by: DaveA at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (FhXTo)

327 So what happens when (knocks wood) Trump wins in 2020, particularly if it's close?
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (RD7QR)
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I don't claim to know, but as others have said I expect things will get sporty is short order.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (sWM8x)

328 313
and yet - antifa isn't that strong, and they only have influence in cities that the Left controls anyways. And I don't think Trump would send troops in - he'd tell Milwaukee "hey, your monkey's, your circus".

A real civil war could only happen if some event was so big it caused the US Army to split in half and take sides.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (Kpl3J)

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Yeah, I agree with this.

At most, we'd see some kind of fractured rebellion that wouldn't be able to hold for too terribly long.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (q80AH)

329 Lefty cidiots love to remind us how important they and their cities are if it ever came to it."

Indeed. Materials production ain't in town any more. Just charbucks and wework...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (6qErC)

330 175 The CWII starts when EBT cards stop working.
Posted by: you heard it here first at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (w7KSn)

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yep.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (jUVms)

331
I've decided to take a cue from Mittens Romney and comment from an appropriate and meaningful sock name.

Posted by: Cockus Humongus at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (rXie1)

332 I'm sick over those two Proud Boys being imprisoned for 4 years for defending themselves. There are parts of this country I will never go bc I fear for my family's safety, merely bc of our political views, if known. That is a travesty.

Posted by: Ever at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (ZZDMQ)

333 314 You know who a civil war helps?
Posted by: Pierre Delecto at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (EJ0X1)

Quite true, Pierre!

Posted by: Mitt Romney. No, seriously. at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (RD7QR)

334 311
Just in case no one has pointed it out yet, but I imagine that not all of that 67% is on our side.

Posted by: Sooner at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (Fs5vw)

Yeah...half that 67% is angry that they are trying to depose Trump and the other half is angry that the coup didn't work.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (ymnmz)

335

Hot or cold, bring it.

Didn't raise my kids to be under someone's boot, I want them to have the life they deserve.

As free Americans.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (KATBx)

336 Were Americans Made for Civil War?
https://t.co/0GrvnQatvH

...American kinship today is fissuring into two visions of the nation's future way of life. "Red" virtue imagines a continuity of family and community within a publicly affirmed national community. "Blue" virtue imagines personally chosen communities mediated through the individual's relationship with the state. This framing extends across the range of creedal litigation. Hence, for example, Blue sees guns as a dangerous and uncivil individual choice, while Red sees them as the source of political equality, a constitutional freedom. Red sees abortion as a threat to family, community, and faith, while Blue sees it as an individual's right to choose. Blue champions "necessary" controls on political speech to protect the vulnerable freedom of individual choice, while Red opposes state control of thought as a threat to individual rights. Yet both agree that their vision of virtue must be eventually enforced.

So, even though these two divided visions of America have been opposed for decades, and so far have controlled the urge to violence, there is in their bitter contest a sense of gathering movement toward an ultimate decision. In no way is this more clear than in the 2016 election and ongoing political conflict. This divide is no status quo "agree to disagree," but rather two moral armies moving towards a showdown...

New American Civil War: 1 of 2: Sixteen months until Inauguration Day, 2021. Michael Vlahos @JHUWorldCrisis
https://t.co/V9AxhJDjXw

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (9BmSv)

337 >>>Also - I do love being lectured about what "real war" is like.

I still have PTSD from playing World of Tanks!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (AFSld)

338 So what happens when (knocks wood) Trump wins in 2020, particularly if it's close?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:46 PM (RD7QR)

With the national popular vote compact, the left has virtually ensured that the election will be decided in the SCOTUS. Then it will be off to the races again with illegitimate president, even if we take the House. That is why the best thing for RGB to do for her country is to resign and let Trump appoint another before it gets to that point.

After that, all remaining existence of the left pretending that representative self-governance works will be gone, and it will be off to the races.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:52 PM (jYnPD)

339 You can't kick California out of the Union. It would be like sharing a border with Iran. A nuclear Iran.

Posted by: Pierre Delecto at October 24, 2019 01:52 PM (EJ0X1)

340 Never been too drunk to get on a plane.

Getting off however...

Posted by: eleven at October 24, 2019 01:52 PM (tH5fk)

341 "262 Any kinetic civil war today would be more along the lines of more rural areas vs heavily urbanized areas. As we've discussed before, modern cities are extremely vulnerable to supply disruption.

It would be much more like the civil wars or 1640's England or 1930's Spain than the American Civil War, which was a regional rebellion."

This.

We actually have been in a state of civil war for more than two decades now. It just didn't become apparent until the Right stopped listening to its cucks and decided to not retreat from the Left.

I hear left-wing candidates musing on how to make the country governable again once Trump is out of office. Yes, that's woefully naïve but these same people wrote letters to random Southerners after Obama won and eight years of Bush backing down to them and since no war erupted they think it can happen again.

It's over. Try to come up with a solution to make the dissolution non-violent.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (iw59Q)

342 304 235 Trump is more temperamentally like Pericles. He is trying to conserve a nation that is bleeding from both arms due to parasites.
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Pericles was defending a Maritime Empire. Trump is defending a continental one. There is some real differences between the two. Seaports don't make a country.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (yRAFu)

343 I say good, in all honesty.

I don't want to see a war--it would be all kinds of horrible suffering, and even odds I wouldn't live to see the end of it--but that Dallas monstrosity has really put me over the edge. Better a war than submit to a state willing to sexually mutilate children.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (2PXwn)

344 Your neighbor with the Hate has no home here sign will put a cap in your ass in a heartbeat because you are a Nazi.
Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (TTgpD)

Cap his ass first. Then take his shit.

Posted by: Strategy and Tactics at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (Iq27Y)

345 338 With the national popular vote compact, the left has virtually ensured that the election will be decided in the SCOTUS. Then it will be off to the races again with illegitimate president, even if we take the House. That is why the best thing for RGB to do for her country is to resign and let Trump appoint another before it gets to that point.

After that, all remaining existence of the left pretending that representative self-governance works will be gone, and it will be off to the races.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:52 PM (jYnPD)

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Holy shit...another one.

No, the NPV won't take effect in 2020.

It only takes effect when enough states with enough electoral votes sign onto the pact.

They're about 100 electoral votes short and not getting any closer.

The NPV in these states are nothing but window dressing. They have no force of law yet. They're not a factor in 2020.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (q80AH)

346 So I do I go with the .22 semiauto handgun when the shit hits the fan, with which I can shoot 1" groups at 25 feet?

Or the .357 mag revolver, way wilder at 25 feet, but far deadlier even if six inches away from center mass.

But maybe it's time to buy an AR-type thingie, some 30-round mags, and a ton of 5.7.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (r1hxW)

347 I'm sick over those two Proud Boys being imprisoned for 4 years for defending themselves. There are parts of this country I will never go bc I fear for my family's safety, merely bc of our political views, if known. That is a travesty.
Posted by: Ever at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (ZZDMQ)

The 2 in New York? There was VIDEO of the incident showing they were attacked and defended themselves, but it was deemed INADMISSIBLE.

It was a shit show. That judge should be removed from the bench.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (Zz0t1)

348 Off cucksocker

Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (EJ0X1)

349 The bad news: This is where we are
The good news: This is where we are

While the EU is perfectly willing to capitulate and the expense of their identity, we are not. Or some of us aren't.

Posted by: Orson at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (gt+us)

350 340 Never been too drunk to get on a plane.

Getting off however...
Posted by: eleven at October 24, 2019 01:52 PM (tH5fk)

You've got to time the vodka and the Xanax juuuuust right.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:54 PM (RD7QR)

351 326 OT: IDK if "Were you ever to drunk to board the plane"? is on any of those 10 question tests but it should be.
Posted by: DaveA at October 24, 2019

*
*

Oh, the 40-question test, where 1 Yes means you could be an alcoholic, 2 means you probably are, and 3 means you definitely are?

I had 24 "yeses."

Posted by: Chicago at October 24, 2019 01:54 PM (ClOmq)

352 250 You may unseriously want to hang those Mayors, but lots of people voted for them. Everyone complains about Bill deBlasio in New York, but he was reelected in 2017 with 66 percent of the vote. Hundreds of thousands of people voted for him. Tens of thousands voted for Ted Wheeler in Portland, Adler in Austin, Texas, and the guy in Minneapolis.

It's those voters who are the problem. The leftist mayors are just an extension of their far left politics.

By the way, just wait until January when the new bail laws take effect in New York State, in which people who are charged with misdemeanors and some felonies must be released without bail. 2020 may well become a banner year for crime in New York. Even former NYPD commissioner Bratton is alarmed at these new laws.

Posted by: mercenary13 at October 24, 2019 01:54 PM (NbP16)

353 39 We may have a Civil War, but it won't be played out like the last time--North/South, Blue/Grey. But we'll have mass riots, cities aflame, civil disobedience on a mass scale, skirmishes here and there, suspension of habeas corpus and assassinations.

But many places will remain untouched by it.

It will be interesting.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 24, 2019 01:16 PM (NFEMn)
M

Again my biggest fear, considering the low morality of many, are the people who will be killing just for the sake of killing. It will be worse than a "purge".

Posted by: Sooner at October 24, 2019 01:54 PM (Fs5vw)

354 Meanwhile, in Looneyland, Hillzebub comes up with her most insane, paranoid excuses yet.

https://bit.ly/2MMPcVP

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 01:54 PM (+y/Ru)

355 The Democratic Party explodes into civil war, the left and center left eating each other.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (q80AH)

I suspect that that's going to happen regardless of who wins the election.

If (please God) Trump wins, the left and center left will be blaming each other for the loss.

If (I hate to say it), Biden or Warren should win, the left and center left will be at each others' throats to determine who calls the shots, the only difference being which side is in and which side is out.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 01:54 PM (YqDXo)

356 I think that the Fascism of the Left is well established. Why does Schiff leak or make up any story he'd like when Lee Zeldin who is no coward is afraid to say a word?

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2019 01:54 PM (TTgpD)

357 I'm poor. I guess I'm gonna have to go to Dollar Tree and see what sort of collander facemask I can round up.

Will a plastic one work?

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, in Erath, Near Carcosa at October 24, 2019 01:55 PM (Clxcy)

358 In my minds eye I see a primarily urban vs non-urban scenario. It will morph of course, but that's how I see it beginning.

And it won't be of short duration either. When Americans begin fighting Americans, it will go awhile.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 24, 2019 01:21 PM (axyOa)*****************************
To shorten the conflict as quickly as possible, y'all sharpshooters out there, take out the leaders/organizers first, those with bullhorns leading chants and marches first. Then take out those with guts who rush to their wounded comrades' side. When they retreat, then take out those who look back at you.

Posted by: lwc at October 24, 2019 01:55 PM (G8lfi)

359 330 175 The CWII starts when EBT cards stop working.
Posted by: you heard it here first at October 24, 2019 01:33 PM (w7KSn)

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yep.
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (jUVms)

Worked in a convenience store, can confirm.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 24, 2019 01:55 PM (2PXwn)

360 Did they catch Adam Schiff playing D&D in the basement? And did they have mountain dew?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 24, 2019 01:55 PM (ywxxM)

361 If that's Nazi-talk, then not only should anyone speaking it be de-platformed, but you should also punch a Nazi.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (DRgs

Worse. Imaginary nazi hunting LARPers openly say that nazis, so identified, should get a bullet. And they see nothing wrong with this.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (jYnPD)

362
So what happens when (knocks wood) Trump wins in 2020, particularly if it's close?
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to

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I can't think of anything truly effective. Mostly smoke and noise, admittedly some broken bones and windows.

- Antifa riots, but those will happen regardless of the outcome

- Marches on Washington covered 24/7 by the MSM

- Dem Congress and Senators instantly launch investigations and resume impeachment "inquiries"

- Soros-backed saboteurs make random mischief, along the lines of vandalism and mobbing via organized exploitation of the mentally ill homeless

Good question.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (7OILk)

363 Never Trumpers using all kinds of ad Hitlerium and attacking the veracity of people's faith and other far more egregious language.
But Trump's the problem.

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It's elemental Dr. Goebbels

Posted by: Sherlock buzzsaw90 at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (9qOCq)

364 Democrats assume this shit-show is cost-free. But it sends a message: "We will overturn your elections By Any Means Necessary, so you had damn well better do the same to us first--or else!"

It destroys the Civic Compact in favor of The Law of the Jungle.

I don't know if I could consent to live under another Democrat administration at this point. There has to be some accountability first.

That's why the Barr/Durham probe is vital. If it fails, all bets are off.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (Ndje9)

365 355 The Democratic Party explodes into civil war, the left and center left eating each other.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:47 PM (q80AH)

I suspect that that's going to happen regardless of who wins the election.

If (please God) Trump wins, the left and center left will be blaming each other for the loss.

If (I hate to say it), Biden or Warren should win, the left and center left will be at each others' throats to determine who calls the shots, the only difference being which side is in and which side is out.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 01:54 PM (YqDXo)

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Victory has a way of making friends of enemies.

Note how the NeverTrump faction of the GOP is now largely a non-factor. Most of them have been co-opted to simply staying Republican in Trump's version of the party. the few who don't play along simply get made fun of.

Democrats taking power in 2020 will paper over a lot of their problems. They'll still bite at each other, but their self-interest will keep them united enough to hold onto power.

I think that if Trump had lost in 2016, the Republican Party would have split by this point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (q80AH)

366 360 Did they catch Adam Schiff playing D&D in the basement? And did they have mountain dew?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 24, 2019 01:55 PM (ywxxM)

More likely to catch him playing My Little Pony in his basement.

Posted by: IC at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (a0IVu)

367 343 I say good, in all honesty.

I don't want to see a war--it would be all kinds of horrible suffering, and even odds I wouldn't live to see the end of it--but that Dallas monstrosity has really put me over the edge. Better a war than submit to a state willing to sexually mutilate children.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (2PXwn)

Indeed. How long must we abide such evil in our midst?

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (QJ8Jo)

368 Will a plastic one work?"

Would have to be pretty stout. To handle the debris and stuff, you know.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (6qErC)

369 I'm trying really hard to imagine Gavin Newson mounted on a horse rallying his rugged LA troops to hold the line.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:57 PM (yRAFu)

370 369 I'm trying really hard to imagine Gavin Newson mounted on a horse rallying his rugged LA troops to hold the line.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:57 PM (yRAFu)

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Considering the number of politicians who became generals in the Civil War, I could buy it from Newson.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:57 PM (q80AH)

371 I saw Ad Hitlerium open for A Tribe Called Quest at The Starplex in '89.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (Zz0t1)

372 "343 I say good, in all honesty.

I don't want to see a war--it would be all kinds of horrible suffering, and even odds I wouldn't live to see the end of it--but that Dallas monstrosity has really put me over the edge. Better a war than submit to a state willing to sexually mutilate children.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (2PXwn)"

Hey all we want is EQUALITY. Swearsies.

Posted by: Every Lying Sh*tbag on Ghey Marriage ca. 2010 at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (koNhm)

373 You know who a civil war helps?

Posted by: Pierre Delecto

Hugh Hewitt, you simpering pigeon felcher.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (g7BLK)

374 "RobM1981"

'It can't happen here. Army's too good. No one can resist.'

Never deployed to Afghanistan, huh?

And the Taliban are semiliterate goatfucking savages.

Posted by: Apostate at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (NA+PZ)

375 Attention! Attention Horde!

We are T-minus one day to my natal anniversary. Time is short to obtain and wrap your tribute, if you haven't already.

Get cracking'!!!

Posted by: Hillary! 2020! 2024! And Beyond!!! at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (DMUuz)

376 Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at October 24, 2019 01:51 PM (9BmSv)

Thanks for the link. It's good.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (ykYG2)

377 It could also happen by increasing disregard for the central authority. Then the feds roll in, or they give up and states starting punching each other.
Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 01:36 PM (QJ8Jo)

This has been my thought for quite some time. I expect it to be something on the order of a state ignoring a ruling made by a federal court and telling the feds that the ruling is unconstitutional and invalid, at which point the feds will be forced to either (1) do nothing, which will result in the total collapse of federal authority, or (2) try to force the state into compliance, which could be attempted through either soft or hard means. It all depends on who's on charge at the time, what the issue is, and who has the perceived moral authority in the state.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (TdJHs)

378 >>Again my biggest fear, considering the low morality of many, are the people who will be killing just for the sake of killing. It will be worse than a "purge".

The illegals the Left has been actively importing to aid in their side's chaos. Yeah, we noticed.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (bDqIh)

379 Philadelphia is the same. Jim Kenney. Let-em-loose Larry Krasner.

No one living in the city supposedly likes them, but there they are, leading the place into Hell.

My partner is a NTer, or was. About a year ago he voice support for Brett K - not even, he just mentioned something about irregularities in the hearing process - and was almost immediately terminated. Not a particularly obviously SJW company either. At the time I told him it was due to his comments, but he demurred. Now he grudgingly admits I was right.

Where we live, you can't speak freely at work, you can't speak freely at a restaurant, you can't even just speak out loud anything remotely conservative or even libertarian walking down the street.

For us right now there's a Civil War ON. We live in the middle of enemy terrtory, if you go by how we have to live.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (Rarvo)

380
More likely to catch him playing My Little Pony in his basement.
Posted by: IC at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (a0IVu)

More like Dark Helmet in Spaceballs.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (Zz0t1)

381 Does anybody really know what time it is? . . .

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Two minutes to midnight.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 01:59 PM (+y/Ru)

382
Your neighbor with the Hate has no home here sign will put a cap in your ass in a heartbeat because you are a Nazi.

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (TTgpD)

Cap his ass first. Then take his shit.

Posted by: Strategy and Tactics at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM

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I don't want a Segway and I hate granola.

Posted by: irright at October 24, 2019 01:59 PM (pMGkg)

383 *looks over at colander face mask*

Soon.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 24, 2019 01:59 PM (NWiLs)

384 the left has used identity politics to try to divide the citizenry and make them fight each other, while they serve their paymasters (corporate and foreign).

The Public recognizes the swamp, even the bernie bots do. If we are smart, any hot war would remove the corrupt congress and their servants down the chain of command. (union leaders, Soros types and their crony mafias, Hawaiin anti-constitution judges, the neighborhood mafias even ... and maybe the families of the protected ones as well, that got rich while their crimes harmed the patriots).

Patriots are not likely to go march on Democrat strongholds ... the war is against the elitist mafias ... hate from both sides seems to recognize they are the crooks. imo

Posted by: illiniwek at October 24, 2019 01:59 PM (Cus5s)

385 Lefty cidiots love to remind us how important they and their cities are if it ever came to it. One small problem I remind them of. At some point, you are going to run out of food. Good luck.
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 24, 2019 01:48 PM (0W3mK)

a fantasy scenario, if I was writing a novel about it (meaning I don't put this out as something that could actually happen) is how easy it would be to knock the entire State of California out for good in 48 hours, with no more than 1,000 men and almost no casualties.

They'd need military supplies, like shaped charges and the like. Split them into 50 - 100 ten to 20 man teams, each with their own small transport plane that can land on a roadway. At 5 am on the designated day, you have teams on the border at every point where long term electric transmission lines cross. You also have teams land near every major power generation plant in the state. The simultaneously use demolition charges to take out long distance transmission towers and disable generators. (Even dams can be disabled by taking out the transmission towers)

The entire state goes dark, instantly. Your teams escape back to Nevada in the chaos. The damage will take months to repair, but riots start in all major cities within days as all communications, food refrigeration, and transportation comes to a halt. Enemy? Destroyed. Your casualties? Almost zero. You can offer to help them rebuild as soon as they surrender unconditionally.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (Kpl3J)

386 If you want to win this war merely attack the Media. And make it personal and lasting. These gadflys will fold in a skinny minute.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (yRAFu)

387 Much as they view conservative positions as merely academic--not seriously to be implemented--they also do not take the negative consequences of liberal policies seriously either.

To them, there is no downside to forcing churches to perform gay marriage, taking guns, restricting speech, encouraging illegal immigration

They don't go to church, own no guns, etc.

So, if there is no negative to liberalism, there is no positive in conservative, they have reasoned

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (+r7We)

388 I think that if Trump had lost in 2016, the Republican Party would have split by this point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (q80AH)

Both parties are hitting toxic levels of dysfunction. If the Dems can't pull off a win in 2020, we could win the whole wheel of cheese.

Whichever party implodes first makes the other Winner By Default.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (J+mig)

389 Indeed. How long must we abide such evil in our midst?
Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (QJ8Jo)

As long as the store shelves are full, there will be no end to the amount of shit some will endure - and insist you endure with them.

Posted by: Strategy and Tactics at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (Iq27Y)

390 I'm trying really hard to imagine Gavin Newson mounted on a horse rallying his rugged LA troops to hold the line.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:57 PM (yRAFu)
........

His hair will be perfect.

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (v0R5T)

391 383 *looks over at colander face mask*

Soon.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 24, 2019 01:59 PM (NWiLs)

Y'know I've been thinking about these masks of ours, and wondering whether they're really practical. The crossbow and longbow regiments too.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 02:01 PM (QJ8Jo)

392 390 I'm trying really hard to imagine Gavin Newson mounted on a horse rallying his rugged LA troops to hold the line.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:57 PM (yRAFu)
........

His hair will be perfect.
Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (v0R5T)

Ah-OOOOOO

Posted by: Insomniac at October 24, 2019 02:01 PM (NWiLs)

393 I think that if Trump had lost in 2016, the Republican Party would have split by this point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (q80AH)
+++++++++++++
Like happened to the Dems in '16? Their current inner battles between the old-school gangsters, the Leninists and the Maoists?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 02:01 PM (e/H31)

394
His hair will be perfect.
Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (v0R5T)

His ass will be on Martha's Vineyard as soon as there's any sign of revolt.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 02:01 PM (Zz0t1)

395 yo BetaCuck4Life - why the nic? you seem like a decent sort who brings a lot to the table here, and not passive-aggressive like some folk who troll here. self-loathing?

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 02:01 PM (ykYG2)

396 Patriots are not likely to go march on Democrat strongholds"

This. No one's marching on NY, LA, etc... there's nothing to gain there. NIMBY has made the cities less and less useful.
We're not talking US CW style - more like "Fall of Rome"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (6qErC)

397 (continuing my thoughts from #280 above)

Moreover, before it ever becomes "Civil War 2.0", it will become "Late 1960s Revisited" first.

And this time, there is no Vietnam War to really polarize us at home. Trump is quite shrewd about that foreign policy wise.

If Left goons riot in certain cities? Well, cordon them off. Have an Un American Activities Committee investigate the ringleaders. Tailgunner Joe without the alcoholism. And Trump IS a teetotaller.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (ujg0T)

398 Oh FFS, get a new schtick.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (RD7QR)
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I literally don't understand this. Do I have "a schtick"?

I admit, up front, that I didn't read all the content. But has it been disproven that some countries will F*** with us just to keep us irritable?

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (xptlg)

399 Any news from Schiff's Impeachment Dungeon?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (NMAzL)

400 Indeed. How long must we abide such evil in our midst?

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (QJ8Jo)
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All it takes in eras past, is a single arrow or a bullet shot and contacts with someone who matters.

Posted by: lwc at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (G8lfi)

401 Didn't the Humungus also carry a 6 inch barrel .357?

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (TTgpD)

402 ... not like I can talk about sordid and selfdeprecating nics.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (ykYG2)

403 More likely to catch him playing My Little FUTA Pony in his basement.

Posted by: IC at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (a0IVu)
..........

minor addendum

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (v0R5T)

404 Question for the horde archivists: where did "colander facemask world" come from? Is that a reference to, I don't know, Thunderdome or something? Or did somebody invent it here?

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at October 24, 2019 02:03 PM (sGnvY)

405 4 I thought polls were fake news or for strippers?
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 24, 2019 01:26 PM (FiUMj)
*******
Because there is no timeframe on a CW you Fucking RETARD

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 02:03 PM (BqBId)

406 393 I think that if Trump had lost in 2016, the Republican Party would have split by this point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (q80AH)
+++++++++++++
Like happened to the Dems in '16? Their current inner battles between the old-school gangsters, the Leninists and the Maoists?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 02:01 PM (e/H31)

============

The Establishment gave a lot of ground in 2016 to keep the party together.

It was a move of desperation to keep the party together.

I don't think they'll do it again in 2020 after the second loss to Literally Hitler which is definitely the fault of the other faction of the Democratic Party.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 02:03 PM (q80AH)

407
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For all your patriotic bangstick food needs.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 24, 2019 02:03 PM (sy5kK)

408 It's not the political division and incivility that's the problem. Those have always been, and will always be with us. It's the institutions we built to be independent from political division and to push back against the incivility that have been not only failing to do their job, but making the situation worse, that's the problem.

Posted by: Socratease at October 24, 2019 02:03 PM (BT83d)

409 Lefty cidiots love to remind us how important they and their cities are if it ever came to it."

Indeed. Materials production ain't in town any more. Just charbucks and wework...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM

Imagine these soy soaked millennials when Starcucks runs out of latte!

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 24, 2019 02:03 PM (0W3mK)

410 393 I think that if Trump had lost in 2016, the Republican Party would have split by this point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:56 PM (q80AH)
+++++++++++++
Like happened to the Dems in '16? Their current inner battles between the old-school gangsters, the Leninists and the Maoists?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 24, 2019 02:01 PM (e/H31)

Needs more purging.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 02:03 PM (RD7QR)

411 This has been my thought for quite some time. I expect it to be something on the order of a state ignoring a ruling made by a federal court and telling the feds that the ruling is unconstitutional and invalid, at which point the feds will be forced to either (1) do nothing, which will result in the total collapse of federal authority, or (2) try to force the state into compliance, which could be attempted through either soft or hard means. It all depends on who's on charge at the time, what the issue is, and who has the perceived moral authority in the state.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 24, 2019 01:58 PM (TdJHs)

Likeliest scenario for that, in my opinion:

1) Trump loses (God forbid) in 2020.
2) New Dem potentate orders sweeping confiscation of certain firearms.
3) Multiple states refuse simultaneously.

3) is a little iffy, given how many states, even red ones, are addicted to the federal teat, but guns would be more likely to do it than most other issues I can think of.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 24, 2019 02:03 PM (2PXwn)

412 Katie Hill smoking a bong, naked, flashing Nazi era tattoo : https://is.gd/r7I0WT

She's also kissing a staffer and sharing nude stuff on wife sharing sites.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (P1AAi)

413 Well, at least somebody is doing something to lower the anxiety level.

AJC@ajc
Clapping is now considered anxiety trigger, 'jazz hands' to replace applause at Oxford

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (+y/Ru)

414 401
Didn't the Humungus also carry a 6 inch barrel .357?

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (TTgpD)

6", 7 3/8", or 8", or whatever oddball barrel length SW, IIRC.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (jYnPD)

415 Your casualties? Almost zero. You can offer to help them rebuild as soon as they surrender unconditionally.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (Kpl3J)

Simpler plan - trucks with toppers. Shooters in back. Drive around one night and take out electrical transformers at substations.

They're done.

Posted by: Strategy and Tactics at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (Iq27Y)

416 Way to go, Ace! Hat tip, fist bump, high five -- nah -- full on standing ovation!!!!

Posted by: doof at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (olgDX)

417 but that Dallas monstrosity has really put me over the edge. Better a war than submit to a state willing to sexually mutilate children.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (2PXwn)"

I'm with you. Reading that felt like a huge tipping point in my already teetering faith that we can avoid violent conflict.

We are surrounded by ghouls and demons.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (xPJvm)

418 May God and the Secret Service protect our President, for everyone's sake.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (koNhm)

419 I've mentioned this before, but a quick shorthand I use (borrowed from someone else) when evaluating people is if they Know What Time It Is,

............ do they really care? If so, I can't imagine why.

Posted by: Chicago at October 24, 2019 02:05 PM (sy5kK)

420 As long as the store shelves are full, there will be no end to the amount of shit some will endure - and insist you endure with them.
Posted by: Strategy and Tactics at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (Iq27Y)

If the shit hits the fan, that's not going to be a thing for very long. There's not always one more "in the back", modern retail is a just-in-time affair. Anything that disrupts shipping throws the whole thing into a tailspin.

Posted by: Logistics at October 24, 2019 02:05 PM (J+mig)

421 Again my biggest fear, considering the low morality of many, are the people who will be killing just for the sake of killing. It will be worse than a "purge".
Posted by: Sooner at October 24, 2019 01:54 PM (Fs5vw)

it's a sad fact that this happens in *Every* civil war. That's a big reason why civil wars are so nasty and to be avoided. As soon as law and order break down, it becomes a free for all, and everyone who's been keeping a list gets it out and starts checking off names.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 02:05 PM (Kpl3J)

422 Surprise Throuple!

Posted by: Matt Plauer at October 24, 2019 02:05 PM (vtcmf)

423 Didn't the Humungus also carry a 6 inch barrel .357?"

.44, IIRC.

And yeah, the cities will be a joke this time. But hey, they've got rooftop gardens n' stuff!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 02:06 PM (6qErC)

424 Katie Hill smoking a bong, naked, flashing Nazi era tattoo : https://is.gd/r7I0WT
.........

all fucked up

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 02:06 PM (v0R5T)

425 but I'll be damned if I'm gonna leave my wine cellar
Posted by: REDACTED at October 24, 2019 01:23 PM

Swing by my place on the way out. I'll go halves on gas.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 24, 2019 01:30 PM (ejd/p

Gas for a 1999 Jean Louis Cave Hermitage

you'll have to do better than that

Posted by: REDACTED at October 24, 2019 02:06 PM (rpxSz)

426 418 May God and the Secret Service protect our President, for everyone's sake.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (koNhm)

I'm surprised the Praetorians in the FBI and CIA haven't tried something already.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 24, 2019 02:06 PM (J+mig)

427 Hmm. Second look at secession.

Posted by: Texas

Second?
Hmmm
Texas quit Mexico. that would be One.
Texas quit Texas. That would be two.
Texas quit the USA. That would be three.

Texas was forced to quit the confederacy. That would be four.
This would be the 5th look.
Time to make up your damned minds and stick with it.

Posted by: cbs snuuz at October 24, 2019 02:07 PM (vqIkG)

428 Surprise Throuple!
Posted by: Matt Plauer at October 24, 2019 02:05 PM (vtcmf)

Thurprise!

Posted by: reason at October 24, 2019 02:07 PM (kZVsz)

429 Does this mean we wear loin cloths and Raccoon hats with tails? Ace on a Vespa in loin cloth and Davy Crocket hat would scare all the right people. Lets try this and see if it brings them to their senses?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 02:07 PM (yRAFu)

430 A while back someone here linked to the Michael Anton (Flight 93 Election author) review of "Bronze Age Mindset" book. There are GenZ and Millennials who are preparing for this, as led by the book's author "Bronze Age Pervert." These guys are joining the military to get skills, focusing on getting fit, etc. They see what's coming more than older generations, I'd bet.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2019 02:07 PM (bDqIh)

431 Correct.
Well stated.
This is why the HQ is such a valuable property.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at October 24, 2019 02:07 PM (hYUjK)

432 Well, no wonder. We've had decades of influence by our domestic enemies. We know who's supporting them, but nobody seems interested in stopping them.

Arrest their funders and a lot of this shit stops overnight.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (HaL55)

433 412 Katie Hill smoking a bong, naked, flashing Nazi era tattoo : https://is.gd/r7I0WT

She's also kissing a staffer and sharing nude stuff on wife sharing sites.
Posted by: Dr Spank at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (P1AAi)

George Takei says - Oh My!!!

she deserves some credit for the flaming skull on her bong!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (Kpl3J)

434 Ugh, link:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3omjeul

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (bDqIh)

435 Angelbutt-123 > Lord Humungous.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (jYnPD)

436 398 Oh FFS, get a new schtick.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 01:50 PM (RD7QR)
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I literally don't understand this. Do I have "a schtick"?

I admit, up front, that I didn't read all the content. But has it been disproven that some countries will F*** with us just to keep us irritable?
Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at October 24, 2019 02:02 PM (xptlg)

Okay, maybe constant "Russia Russia Russia!" is making me irritable. Shit, everything makes me irritable these days. So I'll apologize. But think of this: something could be wrong WITHOUT its being some kind of nefarious Russkie plot.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (RD7QR)

437
Again my biggest fear, considering the low morality of many, are the people who will be killing just for the sake of killing. It will be worse than a "purge".
Posted by: Sooner

========

If there are kill-fests, alert Central Americans would start caravaning north like never before, and there would be thousands of Africans, Arabs, Asians, all kinds of bad actors joining in.

And I bet gun-owning Americans would be at the border to greet them.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (7OILk)

438 The lesson of the last CW was don't fight a war in your own country.

If you think a Balkan style civil war wont wreck your own neighborhood you have not been paying attention.

Mind you I think we would "win" such a war but not with out cost and a huge mess to clean up.

Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclops at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (B06Zw)

439 Simpler plan - trucks with toppers. Shooters in back. Drive around one night and take out electrical transformers at substations.

They're done.
Posted by: Strategy and Tactics at October 24, 2019 02:04 PM (Iq27Y)

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Yep.

Already happened in CA. It was caught before any real damage but hit several transformers and things get bad really quick.

And, since blackouts now seem to be the "new normal" in CA, there'll be a good chance of working in areas where the lights are off, depending on the time of year.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (qC1Sy)

440 The entire state goes dark, instantly. Your teams escape back to Nevada in the chaos. The damage will take months to repair, but riots start in all major cities within days as all communications, food refrigeration, and transportation comes to a halt. Enemy? Destroyed. Your casualties? Almost zero. You can offer to help them rebuild as soon as they surrender unconditionally.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 02:00 PM (Kpl3J)

I don't even think you'd need that much manpower to do it. Look at how badly Saudi Arabia just got disrupted by a few drones. Take those over a few power transformers and the Wilmington/San Pedro refineries south of L.A.--maybe over some of the critical freeway interchanges too, for good measure--drop some thermite charges, and you've got statewide chaos.

It would take a tenth of the force you described.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 24, 2019 02:09 PM (2PXwn)

441 424 Katie Hill smoking a bong, naked, flashing Nazi era tattoo : https://is.gd/r7I0WT
.........

all fucked up
Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 02:06 PM (v0R5T)

She is a hot(?) mess, but in fairness, the Iron Cross had and has a distinguished history long before the evil Nazis. The Bundeswehr and other German armed forces still have it to this day.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 24, 2019 02:09 PM (ujg0T)

442 Katie Hill smoking a bong, naked, flashing Nazi era tattoo : https://is.gd/r7I0WT

-
Holy guacamole! A Maltese cross tat on her cooter?! Saints preserve us!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 24, 2019 02:09 PM (+y/Ru)

443 427 Hmm. Second look at secession.

Posted by: Texas

Second?
Hmmm
Texas quit Mexico. that would be One.
Texas quit Texas. That would be two.
Texas quit the USA. That would be three.

Texas was forced to quit the confederacy. That would be four.
This would be the 5th look.
Time to make up your damned minds and stick with it.
Posted by: cbs snuuz at October 24, 2019 02:07 PM (vqIkG)

There were SIX flags, you know.

Posted by: The Six Flags dancing guy at October 24, 2019 02:09 PM (Kpl3J)

444 May God and the Secret Service protect our President, for everyone's sake.

Yep. He's pretty much the last line of defense.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 24, 2019 02:09 PM (vtcmf)

445 Hmm. Second look at secession.

Posted by: Texas

We'd have to do something about Austin, Houston, and to lesser-but-still-noteworthy degrees, various parts of the DFW metroplex.

Posted by: reason at October 24, 2019 02:09 PM (kZVsz)

446 424 Katie Hill smoking a bong, naked, flashing Nazi era tattoo : https://is.gd/r7I0WT
.........

all fucked up
Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 02:06 PM (v0R5T)

You've got to give her credit though, she's thorough about her decadence.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (RD7QR)

447 427 Hmm. Second look at secession.

Posted by: Texas

Second?
Hmmm
Texas quit Mexico. that would be One.
Texas quit Texas. That would be two.
Texas quit the USA. That would be three.

Texas was forced to quit the confederacy. That would be four.
This would be the 5th look.
Time to make up your damned minds and stick with it.

Posted by: cbs snuuz at October 24, 2019 02:07 PM (vqIkG)

Texas! We secede where others have failed.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (J+mig)

448 @444 He is Fort Sumnter, JFK and MLK rolled into one.
Heaven forbid.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (koNhm)

449 >>Katie Hill smoking a bong, naked, flashing Nazi era tattoo :

Katie Hill = Bad decision theater

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (bDqIh)

450 and yet - antifa isn't that strong, and they only have influence in cities that the Left controls anyways. And I don't think Trump would send troops in - he'd tell Milwaukee "hey, your monkey's, your circus".

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 01:49 PM (Kpl3J)

Antifa isn't that strong, but how strong does a guerrilla type force need to be? They're not going to slug it out toe to toe with the Army. Think of the uproar a dozen or two leftist shitheads caused in the 70s.

And the Left controls almost ALL cities, to varying extents. Also I doubt that Trump would cut Milwaukee loose after scenes of rioting, fires, murder, rape, looting, etc., in which ghetto denizens might well participate.

The pressure to do something would be intolerable.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (YqDXo)

451 When I met my wife back in '95 I told her that the US was headed for dissolution and that I did not think it would be peaceful. She told me I was crazy. She doesn't say that any more.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (xQfPr)

452
I don't even think you'd need that much manpower to do it. Look at how badly Saudi Arabia just got disrupted by a few drones. Take those over a few power transformers and the Wilmington/San Pedro refineries south of L.A.--maybe over some of the critical freeway interchanges too, for good measure--drop some thermite charges, and you've got statewide chaos.

It would take a tenth of the force you described.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 24, 2019 02:09 PM (2PXwn)

Worst case scenario the state can just be set on fire.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (QJ8Jo)

453 Pericles was defending a Maritime Empire. Trump is
defending a continental one. There is some real differences between the
two. Seaports don't make a country.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (yRAFu)

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"Neither walls nor ships make a state. Men do."- some ancient Greek

Posted by: Cocker Spaniel at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (5NMZN)

454 The entire state goes dark, instantly."

"Nuh huh. I've got a solar panel and Tesla PowerWall"

/heh

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (6qErC)

455 We should all take note of the two Proud Boys in NY going to jail for 4 years. THIS is how the new Civil War will actually play out.

Through jury nullification and politicized prosecutions (and non-prosecutions), the Left is going to literally put in jail Conservatives that speak out or fight back, while ignoring the Left's violence and criminality. Won't take long for the unspoken message to take hold. Shut up. Submit. Obey.

Hell, we're mostly THERE already. Right now, it's not jail, it's just losing your job and reputation if you are even capable of punching through the barriers to free speech with an effective conservative message. Or, getting bear maced or beat up in the street if you try to physically speak in a public forum (I live in Oregon; Try to organize a peaceful demonstration supporting any conservative issue and see what happens).

There aren't going to be armies facing each other in the field, circa 1861 - 1865. If this war goes hot, it's going to be more like Mex drug cartel action -- anonymous murders in ones and twos in broad daylight, from time to time.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (DRgs8)

456 all fucked up
Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 02:06 PM (v0R5T)

naturally wired.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (Zz0t1)

457 If the shit hits the fan, that's not going to be a thing for very long. There's not always one more "in the back", modern retail is a just-in-time affair. Anything that disrupts shipping throws the whole thing into a tailspin.
Posted by: Logistics at October 24, 2019 02:05 PM (J+mig)

Thirty days - it lasts no longer than thirty days.

By Day Seven - the worst demographics start going batshit - killing each other as well as the affluent idiots who enable them. By Day Twenty-One, the population is permanently changed.

Anyone with the means to hold out for thirty days or more is in the catbird seat.

Posted by: Strategy and Tactics at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (Iq27Y)

458 Here's an idea: how about dusting off the lawbooks that make insurrection and treason a crime and start arresting people here for that.

Starting with George Soros and the heads of each and every one of his various organizations.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (HaL55)

459 The Left vastly outnumbers the Right. And the entire world would intervene to help the Left. It would be a short war.

Posted by: No at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (UoAjS)

460 At this point we should all hope and pray Katie Hill fights to the end on her craziness.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 24, 2019 02:12 PM (P1AAi)

461 Corporations...both for profit and charitable...must be cut off from contributing in any manner...any thing of value...even conference room space to any politician.

That won't pass muster with the USSC.

So what do we do? Convention of the States?

If we do that, there goes the 2nd Amendment.

And the 1st.

Posted by: torabora at October 24, 2019 02:12 PM (A5Ayi)

462 458 Here's an idea: how about dusting off the lawbooks that make insurrection and treason a crime and start arresting people here for that.

Starting with George Soros and the heads of each and every one of his various organizations.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (HaL55)

Bingo. We just need a non-alcoholic Tailgunner Joe.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 24, 2019 02:12 PM (ujg0T)

463 Katie Hill = Bad decision theater

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (bDqIh)
........

high as a tick on flea dust

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2019 02:12 PM (v0R5T)

464 "Worst case scenario the state can just be set on fire."

California just sucks. Way too many people, not enough water, and everything burns like crazy.

Posted by: Chris M at October 24, 2019 02:12 PM (eAZVt)

465
So funny about Anti-fa not being that strong. Indeed, they're not strong -- it's just that the cities where they operate are weak. One good ass-kicking would finish them.

Lone guy in backpack and scrubs vs Extinction Rebellion, anyone?

Fed-up mob in a London underground station, eh?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 24, 2019 02:12 PM (7OILk)

466 Anyone with the means to hold out for thirty days or more is in the catbird seat.
-----Time to flush.

Posted by: Cocker Spaniel at October 24, 2019 02:12 PM (5NMZN)

467 72 -- boulder -- I just ordered Taylor's Origins of the Second World War from ABE. Thanks for the recommendation. I hadn't read it before. From your description, it offers a somewhat revisionist view of the run up to WW II. Revisionism always interests me.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 24, 2019 02:12 PM (R5LCh)

468 I'll bet Schiff's underground impeachment chamber is a Democratic Hellfire Club. When Nancy shows up she's wearing a leather teddy and a spiked dog collar.

Posted by: Northernlurker at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (Uu+Jp)

469 459 The Left vastly outnumbers the Right. And the entire world would intervene to help the Left. It would be a short war.

Posted by: No at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (UoAjS)

Ah, Democrats. They said this the first time around too.

Posted by: Someguy at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (QJ8Jo)

470 Apparently, 33% of the public is delusional

Posted by: deadrody at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (/jrmI)

471
Thurprise!
Posted by: reason
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I love this place. In a manly sort of way.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (U7Mh9)

472 Power Line #149
Bonus Episode: Bronze Age Decius?
https://t.co/J289qAn18W

...From there we take up the curious phenomenon of the pseudonymous writer "Bronze Age Pervert" and his underground best-selling self-published book Bronze Age Mindset that is said to extremely popular with "alt-right" young people. Anton recently reviewed BAM here, but in our conversation he addresses the rumor that he is in fact the author behind it. After all, he's done it before as "Decius," as we all know. To find out the answer, you'll just have to listen to the episode. (And then let is know if we were just a bit too boozy for this experiment to be judged a success.)...

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (9BmSv)

473 Posted by: No at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (UoAjS)

What a crock of shit.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (vtcmf)

474 The Establishment gave a lot of ground in 2016 to keep the party together.

It was a move of desperation to keep the party together.

I don't think they'll do it again in 2020 after the second loss to Literally Hitler which is definitely the fault of the other faction of the Democratic Party.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 02:03 PM (q80AH)

Everything in this cycle seems to show that the Establishment Dems can't fight back and defeat the Leftists. Nancy getting owned by AOC and the Squad for months was no advantage to her. The out of control impeachment train isnt her idea either.

But the rub for Democrats is lets say they do purge the Leftists. Unlike in 72 when they also did so, the liberal voters are not likely to come back and vote for them. The Establishment is weakened by walk away and has no philosophy or standing absent the left. Pro war? Globalism? All of the leaders are 80 years old and there seems no new generation of garden variety Liberals to rebuild on.

It seems more likely that the Leftists will purge the Establishment types and be the new Dems, but unelectable outside of enclaves.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (FTPn0)

475 Katie Hill as the Nazi Iron Cross tattooed in her bikini area.

But WE'RE the Nazis. US.

EVERYTHING they accuse you of, THEY'RE DOING 10 fold.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 02:14 PM (Zz0t1)

476 Bingo. We just need a non-alcoholic Tailgunner Joe.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 24, 2019 02:12 PM (ujg0T)

-----
Every man should have his own tail gunner.

Posted by: Roy Cohn at October 24, 2019 02:14 PM (5NMZN)

477 Posted by: No at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (UoAjS)
*****
OK Sweetheart

Posted by: nasty little shitbag at October 24, 2019 02:14 PM (BqBId)

478 Girl, you'd better check yourself before you wreck yourself!

Posted by: Keith Richards at October 24, 2019 02:15 PM (+y/Ru)

479 in fairness, the Iron Cross had and has a distinguished history long before the evil Nazis. The Bundeswehr and other German armed forces still have it to this day.

Katie Desjardins didn't know that. She was just being edgy, and signalling her hoo-ha to bikers and to butch lesbians.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 24, 2019 02:15 PM (ykYG2)

480 Nazi Iron Cross "

Que?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 02:15 PM (6qErC)

481 It seems more likely that the Leftists will purge the Establishment types and be the new Dems, but unelectable outside of enclaves.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (FTPn0)

Like Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party in the UK. They'd actually be doing pretty good if he hadn't made "Death to the Jews!!!" part of his campaign platform.

Posted by: The Six Flags dancing guy at October 24, 2019 02:15 PM (Kpl3J)

482 Girl, you'd better check yourself before you wreck yourself!
Posted by: Keith Richards at October 24, 2019 02:15 PM (+y/Ru)

Too late.

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 02:16 PM (Zz0t1)

483 off sock

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 02:16 PM (Kpl3J)

484 Posted by: No at October 24, 2019 02:11 PM (UoAjS)

Then you've got nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 02:16 PM (YqDXo)

485 Under Bambi we were told to watch our language which was labeled "incendiary".

Under Trump the media trades in real incendiary language 24/7. That's the #1 reason so many think we're on the verge of war.

Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 02:16 PM (EJ0X1)

486 Nood

Posted by: Furious George at October 24, 2019 02:17 PM (9vQJW)

487 Que?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 24, 2019 02:15 PM (6qErC)

https://is.gd/r7I0WT

Posted by: Sponge at October 24, 2019 02:17 PM (Zz0t1)

488 Every man should have his own tail gunner.
Posted by: Roy Cohn at October 24, 2019 02:14 PM (5NMZN)

I'm way ahead of you!

Posted by: Mayor Buttplug at October 24, 2019 02:17 PM (YqDXo)

489 @Apostate

So, you're saying that American's are looking to fight as hard as Afghani's? You're saying that prog's and nevah Trumpers will take off their foot-pajama's and fight like Mujahadeen?

Seriously?

Those who "believe" that we are close to an actual shooting war, and not just some civil disobedience, have no clue what they are talking about. They learn of combat through video games.

Posted by: RobM1981 at October 24, 2019 02:18 PM (uOe/W)

490 But the rub for Democrats is lets say they do purge the Leftists. Unlike in 72 when they also did so, the liberal voters are not likely to come back and vote for them. The Establishment is weakened by walk away and has no philosophy or standing absent the left. Pro war? Globalism? All of the leaders are 80 years old and there seems no new generation of garden variety Liberals to rebuild on.

It seems more likely that the Leftists will purge the Establishment types and be the new Dems, but unelectable outside of enclaves.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (FTPn0)

Bingo. THIS. There is a reason Trump *won* the heretofore nearly always Democrat "Rust Belt".

We must not forget how Left the Democrat Party has become. I don't just call them Demunist Commiecrats for rhetorical pizzazz.

And increasingly, everyone is seeing how full of it most of the media is.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 24, 2019 02:18 PM (ujg0T)

491 all fucked up

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The Elvis song?

Posted by: Keith Richards at October 24, 2019 02:18 PM (+y/Ru)

492 And the Left controls almost ALL cities, to varying extents. Also I doubt that Trump would cut Milwaukee loose after scenes of rioting, fires, murder, rape, looting, etc., in which ghetto denizens might well participate.

The pressure to do something would be intolerable.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 02:10 PM (YqDXo)

Antifa isn't a guerilla force, it is a bunch of LARPing fools. Their last direct action led to the dude setting himself on fire.

Blockades are 'doing something'. Let people exit the cities after being disarmed at the barricades and be fed and protected.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 24, 2019 02:18 PM (FTPn0)

493 .

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 24, 2019 02:18 PM (YqDXo)

494 #452 Only ONE drone attack? They didn't pile on with many more drone attack? Drones are cheap

The damage to the facility looks like point blank fire.

When you're at war with the House of Saud they will kill you and your family and your friends.

I call false flag BS fake news.

Posted by: torabora at October 24, 2019 02:18 PM (A5Ayi)

495 I love this place. In a manly sort of way.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 24, 2019 02:13 PM (U7Mh9)

*fistbump*

Posted by: reason at October 24, 2019 02:18 PM (kZVsz)

496 >>Power Line #149
Bonus Episode: Bronze Age Decius?
https://t.co/J289qAn18W
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Thanks, hadn't seen that. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2019 02:18 PM (bDqIh)

497 Confrontation, not accommodation.

That's what they urge in every theater of conflict except in America, where they call only for civility and negotiating terms of surrender with the left which will guarantee them at least 100 highly paid contributor gigs in the leftwing media to pretend to represent the "conservative" position.

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In fairness, in other theaters of conflict, they wish for civility as well. That is war without the war part. War - but without casualties - except for American casualties. War without the name war attached to. War with rules of engagement that lead to American loss.

So basically the same as back home.

Posted by: SH at October 24, 2019 02:19 PM (sX1BW)

498 she deserves some credit for the flaming skull on her bong!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (Kpl3J)

lol, good catch.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 02:19 PM (jYnPD)

499 boulder -- I just ordered Taylor's Origins of the Second World War from ABE. Thanks for the recommendation. I hadn't read it before. From your description, it offers a somewhat revisionist view of the run up to WW II. Revisionism always interests me.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin
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If you haven't read it, Churchill's 'The Gathering Storm'. You'll easily find a copy at ABE. Here are a bunch of copies at ~$4.00, free shipping
https://tinyurl.com/yych2dhn

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 24, 2019 02:19 PM (2kj6M)

500 342,
I said in temperament. Pericles was trying to keep Athenian supremacy in order to keep Sparta from challenging Athenian trade domination but there was considerable unrest and political division in his Athens as well. So he acted to stem both.

You can compare that to America First trading and alliance policies for example. Sparta would be potential rival China and trade disputes share some similarities.

You can see the same comparison in Germany vs. England before WWI or Persia and the Eastern Empire with a waning and waxing power dynamic.

Trump does not much like to deal with the internal dissent other than mouthing off about it because to act Jacksonian in the face of the establishment might bring his immediate removal. Eventually, he may have Caesar's choice at the Rubicon to submit and be ruined or to fight.

Posted by: whig at October 24, 2019 02:20 PM (MItID)

501 One thing to remember is that there are a crapload of foreign bad actor who are supporting the Donks and Antifa, because they want the US occupied with domestic unrest. The moment Civil War II: Electric Boogaloo goes hot, the cartels march on Mexico City, N Korea marches south, China goes for the Philippines or Siberia, Iran grabs Iraq to form Shiitestan etc.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 24, 2019 02:21 PM (3W5cQ)

502 We must not forget how Left the Democrat Party has become. I don't just call them Demunist Commiecrats for rhetorical pizzazz.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 24, 2019 02:18 PM (ujg0T)
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I like that. And if it's a rhetorical flourish you want, you can't go wrong with pestilent scumsucking jizzmoppers.

Posted by: ... at October 24, 2019 02:21 PM (EJ0X1)

503 Interesting that so many tech CEOs and other VIPs have been building underground bunkers in. . . New Zealand. If/when colander facemask time comes to the US, they will be outta here, letting the little people fight it out -- after they've done all that they could to stir the pot.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2019 02:21 PM (bDqIh)

504 Pay attention to choke points inside and outside your cities (if you're in them). Identify blind areas and heights. Find your major arteries and your unseen approaches. And for God's sake, remain aware of your surroundings at all times.

And if you can...try to make sure the other guys aren't.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
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at October 24, 2019 02:23 PM (AM1GF)

505 I've been calling it "Cold War 2" for a while, but I tell people it could turn into "Civil War 2" in certain situations.

Posted by: Jason M at October 24, 2019 02:23 PM (KcWn0)

506 "a couple of small things which we want (but you either are indifferent about or do not want at all)"

Like the right for us and our families to live the lives of 1984 style proles as long as we are good apparatchiks and keep our mouths shut?

Posted by: RM at October 24, 2019 02:25 PM (U3LtS)

507 Okay, maybe constant "Russia Russia Russia!" is making me irritable. Shit, everything makes me irritable these days. So I'll apologize. But think of this: something could be wrong WITHOUT its being some kind of nefarious Russkie plot.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 24, 2019 02:08 PM (RD7QR)
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"everything makes me irritable these days" - boy do I sympathize with that! Hear Hear.

The thing is, I don't think that it's ALL a Russian Plot. But I would bet dollars to doughnuts that every time some commies see a crack they do their damnedest to force it bigger, crack it more and more.

Just pay some people to keep Troll Post. Start up a website promoting "conservatives are evil and we should kill 'em all". Create twitter bots to pat the back of Never Trumpers. Just anything to keep us off balance.

I would do it if I were them.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at October 24, 2019 02:26 PM (xptlg)

508 Mike Hammer -- Thanks for the recommendation. Somehow or another, I just never got around to reading that. I suspect that plowing my way through Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich kind of put me off other big, important books on WW II. Since then, I've pretty much stuck to 200 - 300 page hit and runs.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 24, 2019 02:27 PM (R5LCh)

509 One thing to remember is that there are a crapload of foreign bad actor who are supporting the Donks and Antifa, because they want the US occupied with domestic unrest. The moment Civil War II: Electric Boogaloo goes hot, the cartels march on Mexico City, N Korea marches south, China goes for the Philippines or Siberia, Iran grabs Iraq to form Shiitestan etc.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 24, 2019 02:21 PM (3W5cQ)

Civil War II would not require:

Any Naval or Marine Forces
Army Divisions not stationed in the US
Air Force personnel.

Call up the National Guard, use Special Forces/Army as backup

The former, including nuclear armed weapons are free to keep the peace just as they are now.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 24, 2019 02:29 PM (FTPn0)

510 Late to thread but excellent post Mr. O'Spades.

Golf clap.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 24, 2019 02:29 PM (pw+jk)

511 Mike Hammer -- Just ordered it, and I am outraged! Those SOBs over at ABE are now charging sales tax!

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 24, 2019 02:31 PM (R5LCh)

512 The NPV in these states are nothing but window dressing. They have no force of law yet. They're not a factor in 2020.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 01:53 PM (q80AH)

Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 02:31 PM (jYnPD)

513 512
Thanks for the correction.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 24, 2019 02:31 PM (jYnPD)

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Sorry for my tone. It was rude.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Facehugger at October 24, 2019 02:33 PM (q80AH)

514 488 Every man should have his own tail gunner.
Posted by: Roy Cohn at October 24, 2019 02:14 PM (5NMZN)

I'm way ahead of you!

Posted by: Mayor Buttplug at October 24, 2019 02:17 PM (YqDXo)
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L.O.L. !

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at October 24, 2019 02:34 PM (xptlg)

515 Liberals would lose every battle, but ultimately win the war.

Don't think Gettysburg; think Dublin. Don't think Spotsylvania; think Saigon. It would be a war of terror. Lots of church bombings. Lots of attacks on the power grid. Lots of IED's and such.

To "protect the populace," the government would have to clamp down on gun ownership - maybe just "suspend" the second amendment, like Lincoln with Habeas Corpus? Cameras would go up everywhere.

Yes, every time a cell is found, it is crushed, but at some point so is the Constitution. Totalitarianism will be the outcome, regardless of who "wins."

Anyone who is itching for this is out of their minds. Combat is all Hell. Terrorism is just what it sounds like. "Freedom" in this case would ultimately be Orwellian.

Posted by: RobM1981 at October 24, 2019 02:34 PM (uOe/W)

516 "458 Here's an idea: how about dusting off the lawbooks that make insurrection and treason a crime and start arresting people here for that.

Starting with George Soros and the heads of each and every one of his various organizations."

Considering the lack of justice being doled out to obvious criminals in the whole Russia/FISA affair, Clinton emails, Benghazi, etc, etc, etc I don't have faith in the system to handle this.

Posted by: Jason M at October 24, 2019 02:35 PM (KcWn0)

517 515 Liberals would lose every battle, but ultimately win the war.

Don't think Gettysburg; think Dublin. Don't think Spotsylvania; think Saigon. It would be a war of terror. Lots of church bombings. Lots of attacks on the power grid. Lots of IED's and such.

To "protect the populace," the government would have to clamp down on gun ownership - maybe just "suspend" the second amendment, like Lincoln with Habeas Corpus? Cameras would go up everywhere.

Yes, every time a cell is found, it is crushed, but at some point so is the Constitution. Totalitarianism will be the outcome, regardless of who "wins."

Anyone who is itching for this is out of their minds. Combat is all Hell. Terrorism is just what it sounds like. "Freedom" in this case would ultimately be Orwellian.
Posted by: RobM1981 at October 24, 2019 02:34 PM (uOe/W)

I am not itching for this at all. However, don't think Saigon or Dublin, think Symbioniese Liberation Army or The Weathermen. They are alienating Middle America, even if the LeftMedia is covering that up.

And speaking of which, think Belfast. What did the "The Troubles" really accomplish? Even former IRA leaders now disown what is left of them.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 24, 2019 02:37 PM (ujg0T)

518

And when the dust settles, what then?

I firmly believe that WHEN--not IF-- we win that if we don't dust off the Declaration of Independence (the why), The Bill of Rights,(self explanatory) and our blueprint (the Constitution) and govern as was intended the whole bloody effort will have been in vain.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 24, 2019 02:43 PM (KATBx)

519 We all have to consider our actions, usually within a quarter-mile radius of our domicile.

For many, "bugging out" just isn't possible. They're either impossibly too-far behind enemy lines in a deeply blue state or city, or have urban blight lying between them and freedom.

Further, being "out in the country" ain't no guarantee, especially if you don't have a welcoming ranch or such awaiting you.

To farm folk n' ranchers, a "fleeing citizen" from Urbania is just another parasite, conservative or not.

You'd have to be packing major resources, such as lots of guns, ammo, food and tools, and demonstrate your WORTH to find shelter with most out in the country.

Sure, the average rancher will NOW pull over and help you with a flat tire, invite you in n' feed ya lunch and wish you all the best as you continue on your journey.

They're kind, caring, generous folks, almost to a fault.

Until the flag goes up, the SHTF, etc.

And then you'll see just how skilled they are with a backhoe.

They won't just bury "you". Nope. They'll dig a car-sized pit, and you IN your car and every trace that you ever existed will be deep under the hog's mud pit before sunrise.

PREPARE to survive and prosper, best as you can, within your own Area of Operations.

And DO get to know folks out in the country, make sure you have their WRITTEN invitation prepared to carry with you if you're gonna hit the road in their direction. It'll be kinda like a passport, and I guar-an-damn-tee-ya, you WILL find roadblocks and checkpoints once you flee the cities.

Country folk ain't gonna let their country-side be overrun. "Watch and See", but I'll yet remain hopeful that circumstances won't go so hot as to cause this to manifest in reality.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2019 02:43 PM (QzJWU)

520 Sober news. I'm one of the 33% that doesn't get it. I guess I have more faith that the left will be forced to admit defeat over the next 5 years and there will be no need for shooting

Posted by: Fightin Joe at October 24, 2019 02:52 PM (W+TLY)

521 Spot.On.

Posted by: FITP at October 24, 2019 02:54 PM (TAzYN)

522 I wonder what percentage of the people surveyed understand how short that civil war would actually be or how many Pelosi's or Tappers will end up on the business end of a pitchfork when it's over.

Posted by: deadrody at October 24, 2019 02:56 PM (/jrmI)

523 I've been thinking about that too. Everything is rosy ... except for the entire West Coast. Eventually it will collapse under its own weight of socialism and fecal matter, and will drag the country down with it.
Trump is perhaps the only one who can see it and campaign against it. The GOP here out West are robots switched to "off".

Posted by: PJ at October 24, 2019 03:04 PM (qlTN9)

524 The main things preventing a civil war are Wefare and Cable/Internet.
As long as the vast majority of folks are fed and entertained, they'll remain apathetic.

Posted by: Harry_the_Horrible at October 24, 2019 03:05 PM (cI7Oj)

525 During the civil war there were multiple parties.

Necons remind me of the Copperheads. Always ready to surrender and make peace with the slave holders.

The fire eaters are Antifa. pro slavery dems.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at October 24, 2019 03:43 PM (noE+3)

526 The Humungous is not reasonable and cannot be bargained with.

"Just walk away."

Posted by: Scott M at October 24, 2019 03:53 PM (7cZJw)

527 119 62. 'John has a long moustache'?
Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2019 01:25 PM (HKPap)

The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 24, 2019 04:35 PM (MwFQu)

528 I'm a 4th generation Californian, which is rare, for those of you who hate and are therefore ignorant about my beloved state.

We're as responsible for what happens in our state as you are for having the Squad gracing our House.

We have no representation.

We have no way of fighting the fascists in charge of the state.

No one voted on vote harvesting.

There's no democratic process here at all.

It's the most beautiful state in the union... how about y'all help us fight rather than excise us...which obviously isn't going to happen? Getting harsh about Wall and deportation will help too.

Posted by: Help I'm being held against my will at October 24, 2019 06:22 PM (l9Soe)

529 A civil war would require at least two opposing sides. A war with only one side fighting (here, the American Left vs. absolutely no opposition whatsoever) is more properly termed a genocide.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2019 08:46 PM (KJ5hY)

530 Yeah, here in NC a lot of people I know think that as well. It's a tough pill to swallow.

Posted by: Siding installation at October 25, 2019 04:50 PM (4xYKu)

531 What a sobering thought. Honestly terrifying, and it truly is interesting to me that that high of a percentage of people in the US think it's inevitable. Crazy the world we live in.

Posted by: Siding repair at October 25, 2019 04:59 PM (4xYKu)

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