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Secret Court Rules That FBI Violated Americans' Rights in Using Raw Intelligence Database for Unlawful Purposes
The Unmasking continues. Although this isn't about unmasking per se. (At least, I don't think it is, but it seems related.) It's about illegally querying databases of raw intelligence for purposes other than their narrowly-prescribed uses (to investigate crime or foreign intelligence operations). The FBI was just querying the database, about Americans, when it felt that it would be a nice shortcut.
The ruling deals a rare rebuke to U.S. spying activities that have generally withstood legal challenge or review. The intelligence community disclosed Tuesday that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court last year found that the FBI's pursuit of data about Americans ensnared in a warrantless internet-surveillance program intended to target foreign suspects may have violated the law authorizing the program, as well as the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches. The court concluded that the FBI had been improperly searching a database of raw intelligence for information on Americans--raising concerns about oversight of the program, which as a spy program operates in near total secrecy. The court ruling identifies tens of thousands of improper searches of raw intelligence databases by the bureau in 2017 and 2018 that it deemed improper in part because they involved data related to tens of thousands of emails or telephone numbers--in one case, suggesting that the FBI was using the intelligence information to vet its personnel and cooperating sources. Federal law requires that the database only be searched by the FBI as part of seeking evidence of a crime or for foreign intelligence information. In other cases, the court ruling reveals improper use of the database by individuals. In one case, an FBI contractor ran a query of an intelligence database--searching information on himself, other FBI personnel and his relatives, the court revealed.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2019 03:01 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Cheri at October 08, 2019 03:02 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: Clay ** Have you told a commie to fcuk off today? Ask me for a list of local DNC offices at October 08, 2019 03:02 PM (gB+8C)
time to go long on rope & lamppost futures?
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 08, 2019 03:02 PM (cuot+)
Posted by: ShainS at October 08, 2019 03:04 PM (7LTrc)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:04 PM (hLRSq)
That kind of stuff can get expensive!
Posted by: FIB at October 08, 2019 03:05 PM (Z1ykJ)
Posted by: ShainS at October 08, 2019 03:04 PM (7LTrc)
As soon as he read it in the paper.*
*My Weekly Reader
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:05 PM (hLRSq)
Also, gee, Chuck Todd, it's insane not to trust the FBI, right?
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 08, 2019 03:05 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:05 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at October 08, 2019 03:05 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:05 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (Boy/L)
It's just the leadership that's bad as well as all the rank and file that are busy taking bribes and working for the leadership and going against the law.
But everyone else is good.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (34w2E)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (bDqIh)
Otherwise, fuck-all will happen to anyone.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (xfb67)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (ycWCI)
I'd hate to see those numbers when DogEater was in charge.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at October 08, 2019 03:07 PM (DB16e)
uh huh. And Rosemary Collyer wrote a finding on.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:07 PM (ZLI7S)
by the bureau in 2017 and 2018 that it deemed improper in part because
they involved data ...
________
This means we can look forward to tens of thousands of criminal counts against the law-breaking traitors at the Federal Bureau of Matter, right?
Posted by: ShainS at October 08, 2019 03:07 PM (17bvA)
Posted by: IC at October 08, 2019 03:07 PM (a0IVu)
spooky
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:05 PM (ZLI7S)
Just think of how bad it would be if you had your Alexa in on the action?
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:07 PM (Z1ykJ)
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (ycWCI)
FIFY
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 08, 2019 03:07 PM (34w2E)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 08, 2019 03:07 PM (zo+Jl)
Judicial Watch has Rosenstein's emails, showing he was in communication with Mueller BEFORE the appointment, and considered them on the same page.
and that 'sometimes the moment chooses us'.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:07 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: ghost of kari at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (VoMt7)
Posted by: steevy at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (KNsKs)
If this is the Rogers/NSA queries stuff, then it was worse than that: it was people from organizations contracting for the FBI, not even simply FBI agents. Fusion GPS? Crowdstrike?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: klaftern at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (k81AA)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (34w2E)
Does Ray still work there?
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (Z1ykJ)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (YslsA)
Posted by: Libertarianjim (I need a new nick) at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (OGWzF)
And the Democrats are still mad because Nixon deleted 18 minutes of tape.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2019 03:09 PM (Cil7w)
Posted by: Axeman at October 08, 2019 03:09 PM (DuZls)
Posted by: Guzalot at October 08, 2019 03:09 PM (prSvo)
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 03:09 PM (Kpl3J)
We're getting kicked around left and right, and the Democrats are trying to get something through the House before the reports come out. What the hell is Barr waiting for?
Posted by: MW at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (hNTtn)
But there are plenty of good and honorable men and women at the FBI.
It's just the leadership that's bad as well as all the rank and file
that are busy taking bribes and working for the leadership and going
against the law.
But everyone else is good.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (34w2E)
__________
Hannity, is that you?
Posted by: ShainS at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (17bvA)
spooky
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:05 PM (ZLI7S)
Just think of how bad it would be if you had your Alexa in on the action?
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:07 PM (Z1ykJ)
Jack, some men are coming. When they say "put your hands on your head" you should really do that.
Posted by: Alexa, soothingly at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: steevy at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM
*************
Not going to happen with Wray in charge.
Posted by: redridinghood at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (wiXsO)
Posted by: steevy at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (KNsKs)
The Augean Stables are O.R. clean next to these %^#$ckers.
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (Z1ykJ)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (bDqIh)
It sounds like it.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: The Putin Wins Guy at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (DuZls)
spooky
Posted by: JackStraw
Just think of how bad it would be if you had your Alexa in on the action?
Posted by: clutch cargo
The new Alexa with the Samuel L Jackson voice.
"What are you searching for motherfucker?"
Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (0t+fn)
This seems to be a pretty damn loose requirement even if we could trust the feds to, you know, follow the law and shit.
Posted by: Clay ** Have you told a commie to fcuk off today? Ask me for a list of local DNC offices at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (gB+8C)
Posted by: Dickspatch at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (jYnPD)
Posted by: Beckoningchasm at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (eV2wC)
Apparently, someone didn't want it to be that way.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (Boy/L)
Like Italy.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: MW
#TwoWeeks
Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (0t+fn)
Posted by: Hillary! 2020! The Last Election You'll Ever Need To Vote In! at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: AG Barr at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (Pzzpr)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (YslsA)
My personal position is violators can get jailtime now (in decades), or they can be executed for treason later. There needs to be hard, swift justice for these traitors and thieves.
Posted by: ghost of kari at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (VoMt7)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (34w2E)
Posted by: Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. at October 08, 2019 03:12 PM (sWM8x)
I can't say I'm surprised. This is basically what Rosemary Collyer said over 2 years ago when she agreed with Adm Rogers about shutting down that part of the program.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:12 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 03:12 PM (vEIlU)
Rosenstein clearly switched sides in the middle of this.
Like Italy.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (NFEMn)
Yep, as the soft-coup I was flailing and failing, it seems that a lot of people became resigned to the fact that Trump is here to stay.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (jYnPD)
Drip drip drip? You mean they're pissing on our heads, right?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (xfb67)
"What are you searching for motherfucker?"
Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM (0t+fn)
If only - I might get one!
Posted by: IC at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Dansgirls at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (V25ON)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (YslsA)
My personal position is violators can get jailtime now (in decades), or they can be executed for treason later. There needs to be hard, swift justice for these traitors and thieves.
Posted by: ghost of kari
No reasonable prosecutor...
Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (0t+fn)
Posted by: Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. at October 08, 2019 03:12 PM (sWM8x)
But boy, your suit looks great.
Posted by: Roy at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (cD09y)
Posted by: Guzalot at October 08, 2019 03:09 PM
Worked for us.
Posted by: The Apache at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: IC at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (a0IVu)
The first is oriented to protecting freedom
The later it to protect the state
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (k81AA)
But this case is probably going to end up being more important as a precedent.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (Kpl3J)
In March of 2016, NSA Director Rogers became aware of improper access to raw FISA data (Page 83 of Court Ruling).
In April of 2016, Rogers directed the NSA's Office of Compliance to conduct a "fundamental baseline review of compliance associated with 702" (Senate testimony & Page 83-84 of Court Ruling).
On April 18, 2016, Rogers shut down all outside contractor access to raw FISA information -- specifically outside contractors working for the FBI. The discovery that outside contractors were accessing raw FISA data is probably the event that precipitated Rogers ordering a full compliance review (Page 84 of Court Ruling).
On April 18, 2016, both the FBI and DOJ's NSD become aware of Rogers' compliance review. They may have known earlier but they were certainly aware after outside contractor access was halted.
. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (8I1Ab)
uh huh. And Rosemary Collyer wrote a finding on.
Posted by: JackStraw
NSA vs. FBI
This apparently continued after database access through NSA was ended by Rogers. That was the subject of Collyer's report.
But Comey kept it rolling.
Posted by: Miklos, same but different at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: MW
IMO, Barr is no friend to Trump. Like the rest of the elite, he doesn't like or trust him.
That said, Barr does agree that Trump has been abused, and if to ensure this doesn't happen to another president, Trump survives, so be it.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (NFEMn)
If you don't have anything to hide, you wouldn't care that the FBI took
your data without you knowing, stored it, and used it whenever they felt
like it.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (34w2E)
That was a Mitt Romney tweet, wasn't it?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (jYnPD)
--
Drip drip drip? You mean they're pissing on our heads, right?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM
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It's raining.
Posted by: Deep State zipping up at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (pMGkg)
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper aka MrCaniac at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (I8FKK)
Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (Zz0t1)
But Comey kept it rolling.
Posted by: Miklos, same but different at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (QzkSJ)
I haven't been paying attention, has Comey tweeted any nature scenes lately?
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (NFEMn)
That's impressive considering there are only about 15,000 total FBI agents.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: AG Barr at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (Pzzpr)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:06 PM (bDqIh)
I couldn't get to the WSJ article linked because paywall, but I think you're right..... amazing, the CTH has had that all outlined for like a year and a half, and the facts are finally making their way to more "mainstream" media.....
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (jjaLl)
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oh that explains the rebuke I guess. . . 2017 2018 searches
Posted by: hmmm at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (g1wYG)
Posted by: Sean Hannity at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (88+cf)
Like Italy.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:11 PM (NFEMn)
A good move on his part, I'm sure.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (hLRSq)
"What are you searching for motherfucker?"
Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 03:10 PM
"English, muthafucker! Do you speak it?!"
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (ejd/p)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (Cil7w)
For a regular season National's ticket, an FBI agent will search this database for you.
For a playoff ticket, the FBI agent will bug your rival's house/office.
If National's make the World Series, an FBI agent will arrest your rival for a Logan Act violation for a ticket.
Game 7 ticket? FBI agents are willing to blow you in addition to arresting your rival for Logan Act violation.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (hdzef)
Posted by: Just Lily at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (3FJ8v)
That said, Barr does agree that Trump has been abused, and if to
ensure this doesn't happen to another president, Trump survives, so be
it.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (NFEMn)
That is kind of where I am at on Barr. Trust, but keep him close, and keep him pushing the investigation forward.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (jYnPD)
NOTHING will come of this.
Brennan still walks.
Comey still walks.
Clinton still walks.
Owebama still walks.
Freely.
Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:14 PM (NFEMn)
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And I guarantee that the retraining that needs to be done will be done!
Posted by: Director Wray at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM (DuZls)
Posted by: Where are the indictments at October 08, 2019 03:17 PM (Bf3hj)
Posted by: Director Wray at October 08, 2019 03:17 PM (DuZls)
Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 03:17 PM (WkmoA)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 03:17 PM (NqZ29)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:17 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (NFEMn)
Is Barr still in Italy?
Posted by: IC at October 08, 2019 03:13 PM (a0IVu)
Last I saw he was interviewing interesting Italicans.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (jYnPD)
During Bill Clinton's occupation of the White House, didn't they have some schlub also pawing through FBI dossiers?
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Yeah, Hillary.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (13CQC)
Don't think this will help their case.
Posted by: Miklos, time will tell at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: ShainS at October 08, 2019 03:04 PM (7LTrc)
As soon as he read it in the paper.*
*My Weekly Reader
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019
*
*
Highlights magazine.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (ClOmq)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (jjaLl)
So they are doing preemptive damage control because they know it is big and they can't hide it any longer.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (hLRSq)
5 What did the DogEater know and when did he know it?
Posted by: ShainS at October 08, 2019 03:04 PM (7LTrc)
----
"My intelligence services."
"My FBI."
-Hussein Soetoro, B.A., J.D., C. in C., PhD
-- and dog eater.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (8I1Ab)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (ZLI7S)
The IC inspector general told lawmakers that the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower had a working relationship with one of the current 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, according to three sources with knowledge of the testimony.
Posted by: Ha at October 08, 2019 03:19 PM (pH6td)
Posted by: Roland THTG at October 08, 2019 03:19 PM (88+cf)
Posted by: steevy at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (KNsKs)
Speaking of which, what are the chances of a great House cleaning in 2020?
Surely someone in the RNC thinks about this?
I know, "Ask a stupid question...."
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:19 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Could you be clearer?
Posted by: Craig Livingstone, the Spontaneous Self-hire at October 08, 2019 03:19 PM (DuZls)
Does someone go to jail? Get fired? Suspended without pay? Put in timeout?
Promoted?
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:19 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (dKiJG)
I would suggest 500 miles to the east. They can remain in business if they float.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at October 08, 2019 03:20 PM (kUmUV)
Whiskey pods.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (ycWCI)
Which you know some giblet-head is going to vape
Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 03:20 PM (Izzlo)
The IC inspector general told lawmakers that the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower had a working relationship with one of the current 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, according to three sources with knowledge of the testimony.
Posted by: Ha at October 08, 2019 03:19 PM (pH6td)
Biden
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:20 PM (NFEMn)
What does Stephanie Zimbalist have to do with anything here?
Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 03:20 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Comey at October 08, 2019 03:20 PM (yL25O)
Last I saw he was interviewing interesting Italicans.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (jYnPD)
I hope he is not lounging around eating, drinking and flirting with bella donne on our dime...
Posted by: IC at October 08, 2019 03:20 PM (a0IVu)
Pulled into Popeyes today and found out, on Tuesdays they try to get rid of their previous week's inventory. Thigh and drumstick combos, $2.29 each!
So now my car is completely filled with chicken... :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (6hyL5)
database--searching information on himself, other FBI personnel and his
relatives>>
My surprised face.
Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (WkmoA)
Posted by: Ha at October 08, 2019 03:19 PM (pH6td)
Alex, I'll take "things we already knew" for $400.
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (9VeU0)
Whiskey pods.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (ycWCI)
We'll let you have as many as you want after the AI apocalypse, so long as you put them in your butt. [giggles]
Posted by: Alexa, soothingly at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Zombie Rex Stout at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (ClOmq)
Posted by: Not Nervous At All at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (fOqG5)
So this is unfortunately, not an important news item. We are collectively proving with each day, there is no Rule of Law.
Related question: if a tree falls, yada, yada, yada. Oh, you didn't hear it either? Musta been covered by CNN.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (NFEMn
If we're keeping track, I don't like Trump and never have , long before he was President. That doesn't mean I can't support what he does and defend him when necessary.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (NqZ29)
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I won't rest until every bit of retraining is done!
Posted by: Director Wray at October 08, 2019 03:17 PM
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We know what that means... Tahiti, here we come!! (don't forget the "mandatory" (heh) training sessions)
Posted by: FBI agents everywhere at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (pMGkg)
The IC inspector general told lawmakers that the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower had a working relationship with one of the current 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, according to three sources with knowledge of the testimony.
Posted by: Ha at October 08, 2019 03:19 PM (pH6td)
Biden
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:20 PM (NFEMn)
It has to be--that's why he thought Trump's phone call to the Ukraine was so alarming, appalling, troubling and concerning.....
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (dKiJG)
This is an often touted idea, like moving the District of Columbia to a county in Nebraska or Kansas, but then again, the IRS has regional offices in all kinds of podunk places.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:22 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Clay ** Have you told a commie to fcuk off today? Ask me for a list of local DNC offices at October 08, 2019 03:22 PM (gB+8C)
We basically have all the downside of a police state with all the crime.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 08, 2019 03:22 PM (koNhm)
I really used to think they where the good guys. These days I look back on how they where shown in Die Hard and think maybe the film maker had a point.
It's not just that they are bad at the job they are the "baddies".
So far as I can tell the only op they succeed on is when they find some dimwit who wants to be evil then set up a sting to "sell" said dimwit the means to be evil.
Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclops at October 08, 2019 03:22 PM (B06Zw)
stickers.
Didn't know he was already in jail.
Damn, Trump wastes no time.
Posted by: seamrog at October 08, 2019 03:22 PM (CQcYc)
Valerie Jarett, a.k.a. "Rasputin," a.k.a. "The Conduit," a.k.a. "The De Facto President," has not been mentioned. I hope this oversight does not persist.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (8I1Ab)
Posted by: Hope Springs Eternal at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (09tFn)
Posted by: Curmudgeon
Rogue employees out there in WKRP country.
Posted by: Lois Lerner at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (QzkSJ)
relatives
Top. Men.
... and their contractors.
Posted by: DocJ at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (0uRNV)
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Is this Russia? This isn't Russia, is it?
Posted by: hmmm at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (3gQq7)
That safeguards are in place, and everything is hunky dory!
OK then.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (NgKpN)
i want a new calendar...im done with the racist calendar
Posted by: overit at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (sI15f)
Whiskey pods.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (ycWCI)
...
For the love of all that is decent and pure...shocked, I am! Shocked!
Posted by: Fireball "Whiskey" at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: employees of the Deep State at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (sy5kK)
The IC inspector general told lawmakers that the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower had a working relationship with one of the current 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, according to three sources with knowledge of the testimony.
Posted by: Ha
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How'd they pry that info out of that SOB? He flat-out refused to answer their questions about the form-switching maneuver.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (13CQC)
The IC inspector general told lawmakers that the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower had a working relationship with one of the current 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, according to three sources with knowledge of the testimony.
Posted by: Ha at October 08, 2019 03:19 PM (pH6td)
So THAT'S why Schiff is so fired up about hiding his identity - because once his name comes out, the entire operation is blown sky high. And since he got all pissed off about Biden, that has to be who he was working for.
So, the Biden Campaign, working with Schiff, is who set this whole thing up. Yep, the torpedo is circling round.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (CujRX)
We know what that means... Tahiti, here we come!! (don't forget the "mandatory" (heh) training sessions)
Posted by: FBI agents everywhere at October 08, 2019
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Tahiti . . . it's a magical place.
Posted by: Phil Coulson at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (ClOmq)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Hope Springs Eternal at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (09tFn)
Raises hand !
Posted by: J Edgar Hoover at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (NqZ29)
Posted by: Green guy at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (Lp+bg)
I guess I just always assumed that ALL internet activity is surveilled by ALL US and foreign intelligence services.
Laws? Don't make me laugh.
Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (mk9aG)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (NFEMn)
This was never clearer than during his little hissy fit over Trump not immediately putting boots on the ground in Iran over that drone being shot down. Changed my perception of Levin forever.
It's not that I love Trump, it's that I voted for him to rally real Americans and take our country back, and once he got into office, I learned that the America I was raised on doesn't exist, and may never have existed at all.
Posted by: ghost of kari at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (VoMt7)
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Mrs. Italy at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (AQBtr)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (dKiJG)
Mars?
Posted by: DocJ at October 08, 2019 03:25 PM (77WPm)
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All right, close up shop. We are done as a species.
Whiskey pods.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM
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Do they get out stubborn stains?
Posted by: irright at October 08, 2019 03:25 PM (pMGkg)
Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 03:25 PM (CujRX)
relatives
Top. Men.
... and their contractors.
Posted by: DocJ at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (77WPm)
Even better question to ask, was the contractor even an American?
Did we let FOREIGNERS into this data?
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:25 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: irright at October 08, 2019 03:25 PM (pMGkg)
No, but if you eat enough of them, you'll stain your underwear.
Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (CujRX)
this kind of stuff is easy to find and the people should be fired on the spot
I assumed this was happening all along, and much more.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (vEIlU)
The IC inspector general told lawmakers that the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower had a working relationship with one of the current 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, according to three sources with knowledge of the testimony.
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Gosh, is this why the House Democrats are trying to jerry-rig their impeachment farce so that this guy's identity is hidden during testimony?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (JUOKG)
In one case, an FBI contractor ran a query of an intelligence
database--searching information on himself, other FBI personnel and his
relatives>>
My surprised face.
Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (WkmoA)
That's actually very common when testing live production databases.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (CQ3Qb)
Boots on the ground was an over reaction. Doing nothing was not my preference either.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (NqZ29)
Did we let FOREIGNERS into this data?
Posted by: Don Q
Bigot!
Posted by: Awan Brothers IT Services at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (QzkSJ)
Pulled into Popeyes today and found out, on Tuesdays they try to get
rid of their previous week's inventory. Thigh and drumstick combos,
$2.29 each!
So now my car is completely filled with chicken... :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (6hyL5)
If it's tasty, it's leftovers from before Booger King bought them out.
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (Z1ykJ)
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calm down calm down
don't you think its easier to smuggle a pocket full of pods into the stadium than a bottle/flask? The people buying pods are going to be fraternity boys going to football games . . .
Posted by: hmmm at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (g1wYG)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 08, 2019 03:15 PM (dKiJG)
Mars?
Posted by: DocJ at October 08, 2019 03:25 PM (77WPm)
Ass end of nowhere.
So, Uranus.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Hope Springs Eternal at October 08, 2019 03:23 PM (09tFn)
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Right. It's like Facebook snooping on your ex, with no risk of accidentally liking a photo.
Oh, and your exes' new beau and their extended families, bank records, current address...
Posted by: TexasDan at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (NFEMn)
This was never clearer than during his little hissy fit over Trump not immediately putting boots on the ground in Iran over that drone being shot down. Changed my perception of Levin forever.
It's not that I love Trump, it's that I voted for him to rally real Americans and take our country back, and once he got into office, I learned that the America I was raised on doesn't exist, and may never have existed at all.
Posted by: ghost of kari at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (VoMt7)
While there are many "neo-cons" who had hissy fits bout Trump and became NeverTrumpers, there are also many who like much of what Trump is doing otherwise, and just are not happy with Trump because Trump is less than keen on going abroad to seek monsters to destroy.
What is going on with Turkey, Syria, and the Kurds is an example of this.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (ujg0T)
i want a new calendar...im done with the racist calendar
Posted by: overit
Also, at least in the education system in WA st it is disabilities history month. Fun fact
Posted by: Sock Monkey...doing time at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (Lp+bg)
During Bill Clinton's occupation of the White House, didn't they have some schlub also pawing through FBI dossiers?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2019 03:16 PM
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I believe that's the first time that Hillary has ever been referred to as "some schlub."
Posted by: ShainS at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (17bvA)
Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (WkmoA)
Don - get this - some people really like the idea of a Police State. As long as the Police State only fucks with the "right people", of course.
Posted by: Hope Springs Eternal at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (09tFn)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (bDqIh)
You got it!!!
and this also answers the question - why don't we allow secret testimony during trials?
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (Kpl3J)
The intelligence community disclosed Tuesday that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court last year found that the FBI's pursuit of data about Americans ensnared in a warrantless internet-surveillance program intended to target foreign suspects may have violated the law authorizing the program, as well as the Constitution's Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches.
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Why, after reading this, did an image of Trump directing his stable of lawyers saying, "Fly, my pretties, FLY!" pop into my head?
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:20 PM (NFEMn)
Given ICIG's proximity to FBI-NSD during relevant times of FISAgate and Biden's almost certain involvement, that is the best guess.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (jYnPD)
517
Suppose for a second that the big bang explains space and time, matter and gravity etc.
Okay. So what you mean is the big bang was just God clapping His hands.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (myjNJ)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 03:21 PM (NqZ29)
I didn't like him as a celebrity or media figure. Hated him in fact.
But he showed me he has character, conviction and if he is personally an asshole, he's got the important stuff down.
And he's a patriot who loves his country.
Who would you trust more when it comes to the important stuff--like keeping promises or potentially sending your kid to war?
A family man who has (probably) never cheated on his wife like Romney?
A God-fearing born-again teetotler like GW Bush?
A noted philanderer and billionaire like Trump?
The choice is clear.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:28 PM (NFEMn)
We basically have all the downside of a police state with all the crime.
Posted by: xnycpeasant
I thought they said that crime is down?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2019 03:28 PM (aKsyK)
The case is fabricated in lie after lie and has no base whatsoever for a trial.
Schiff needs to be tried, convicted and hanged for his crimes.
The democrats have proven themselves to be downright fucking EVIL to their core.
Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 03:28 PM (CujRX)
Okay. So what you mean is the big bang was just God clapping His hands.
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Suppose it does.
What explains the Big Bang?
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:28 PM (sX1BW)
I picture some guy going "Ha! I REBUKE you!"
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:28 PM (9VeU0)
of pods into the stadium than a bottle/flask? The people buying pods
are going to be fraternity boys going to football games . . .
Posted by: hmmm
I didn't drink a lot of Glenlivet when I was in college.
Posted by: pep at October 08, 2019 03:29 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Ha
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How'd they pry that info out of that SOB? He flat-out refused to answer their questions about the form-switching maneuver.
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we have reached that stage were people are rolling over on other people to save their own butts.
The whistleblower is toast because the form switching maneuver hits too close to IG home.
Posted by: hmmm at October 08, 2019 03:29 PM (Rsye6)
*******
Whistleblower had tie to Democratic candidate
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (BqBId)
The first one or the 2nd one? What about the next 15?
Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 03:29 PM (CujRX)
That sounds shocking, and it is unsettling, but the more shocking part is likely that these contractors were using the FISA database queries to gain intelligence on their clients' political opponents.
Searching, say, your SIL, is one thing, but searching Trump, his lawyers and campaign staff in order to populate your dossier is much more upsetting. It's outrageous.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:30 PM (bDqIh)
We disagree on a few points and characterizations. But I understand what you're saying,
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 03:30 PM (NqZ29)
I picture some guy going "Ha! I REBUKE you!"
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:28 PM (9VeU0)
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It's the scene in Mary Poppins where they tear Mr. Banks flower out of his lapel, and undo his collar, and smash his hat.
Posted by: TexasDan at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (yL25O)
of pods into the stadium than a bottle/flask? The people buying pods
are going to be fraternity boys going to football games . . .
Posted by: hmmm
I didn't drink a lot of Glenlivet when I was in college.
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You may not have been in the right fraternity. Nevertheless the "technology" will soon make its way to Fireball. And, eventually, up some pledge's rectum.
Posted by: count on it at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (q+bdA)
And subsequent coverup.
Posted by: mikeyG at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (/Sb0s)
They've learned nothing because there was no fallout for any of these breaches. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Why do I have the feeling that John Carlin works for a 'contractor' now?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (1Vobx)
We have way too many degrees of separation that get "ties" applied to them.
Like Trump some Russian oligarch's plane was in Miami when Trump was at Mar-a-Lago is a "tie."
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (9VeU0)
bout Trump and became NeverTrumpers, there are also many who like much
of what Trump is doing otherwise, and just are not happy with Trump
because Trump is less than keen on going abroad to seek monsters to
destroy.
What is going on with Turkey, Syria, and the Kurds is an example of this.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:27 PM (ujg0T)
Europe needs the middle east to be stable for oil. Let Europe use their gold and young men's lives to protect that.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper aka MrCaniac at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (I8FKK)
Yea, but we also have known it happened for 3 years now.
Seems convenient that they are releasing this finding right before Horowitz comes forward with his report on FISA abuse.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Kenny The G from AZ at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (EPtLe)
I'm seriously not making this up
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6a73xvc
Big pills basically a shot of Glenlivet each. For the alcoholic who has no time to pour and wants to smuggle their addiction into church or something I guess.
So much for the whole BS "its about the flavor and smokey aroma" line
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:32 PM (KZzsI)
I beat the Deep State spies.
They read through my deepest secrets, fell asleep
on the job, and got fired.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 08, 2019 03:32 PM (8I1Ab)
Powers and Rice are probably wetting themselves about now.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2019 03:32 PM (3H9h1)
It's not that I love Trump, it's that I voted for him to rally real Americans and take our country back, and once he got into office, I learned that the America I was raised on doesn't exist, and may never have existed at all.
Posted by: ghost of kari at October 08, 2019 03:24 PM (VoMt7)
What these guys don't understand is that it's not like Trump won't use force to defend us or our interests.
He will--he's just not going to do it the usual way.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:32 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 08, 2019 03:32 PM (oVJmc)
The case is fabricated in lie after lie and has no base whatsoever for a trial.
Schiff needs to be tried, convicted and hanged for his crimes.
The democrats have proven themselves to be downright fucking EVIL to their core.
Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 03:28 PM (CujRX)
We are watching a Constitutional Crises.
Yet no one puts it in those terms, they should.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:32 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 08, 2019 03:32 PM (h41rK)
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You may not have been in the right fraternity. Nevertheless the
"technology" will soon make its way to Fireball. And, eventually, up
some pledge's rectum.
Posted by: count on it at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (q+bdA)
It's not available in the U.S., yet. But yeah, when I heard that story on the radio, I knew that was the ultimate trajectory, and I thought what an unbelievably bad idea it was to bring to market.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:33 PM (jYnPD)
this is war and as my 11 year Corp dad always told me, "in war, the gray goes away"
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 03:33 PM (AQBtr)
Americans and take our country back, and once he got into office, I
learned that the America I was raised on doesn't exist, and may never
have existed at all.
It's like you're inside my brain, man.
Posted by: mikeyG at October 08, 2019 03:33 PM (/Sb0s)
Instead we hear of vaguely defined slaps on the wrist. And "Decline To Prosecute". This is evil, protecting these people.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at October 08, 2019 03:33 PM (LISuA)
That is truly bizarre. I just read about those whiskey pills and wanted to post about them here and people are already talking about them. Now I feel even more like a dumbass.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (KZzsI)
use of the database by individuals. In one case, an FBI contractor ran a
query of an intelligence database--searching information on himself,
other FBI personnel and his relatives, the court revealed.
this kind of stuff is easy to find and the people should be fired on the spot
I assumed this was happening all along, and much more.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM
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Had one of our contractors for the Navy doing that, searching her ex-husband's records. We checked her access, found out what she had been doing, fired her that day and referred it to the AUSA for prosecution. Never heard what happened to her after they escorted her off the base.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (NqZ29)
I picture Dana Carvey as the Church Lady saying "DEMONIC RAISINS, I REBUKE YOU!". I think that was her "interview" with Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (ZGrMX)
we have reached that stage were people are rolling over on other people to save their own butts.
The whistleblower is toast because the form switching maneuver hits too close to IG home.
Posted by: hmmm
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I don't get it. The ICIG was protecting the whistleblower with that form-switching maneuver. Now he's not protecting the whistleblower?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (13CQC)
Yet no one puts it in those terms, they should.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:32 PM (NgKpN)
DNC game plan.
1. Create Constitutional crisis.
2. Wail about 1.
3. Blame Trump for 1.
4. Fund raise.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (jYnPD)
are going to be fraternity boys going to football games . . .
Posted by: hmmm
I didn't drink a lot of Glenlivet when I was in college.
Posted by: pep at October 08, 2019 03:29 PM (T6t7i)
Glenlivet really isn't that bad.
But I'm not sure it's an endorsement for a product where it's basically "you just swallow them, so you don't have to taste that shit!"
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (Z1ykJ)
What explains the Big Bang?
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:28 PM (sX1BW)
God brought forth existence. But what brought forth God?
The human mind is chronological. We cannot fathom the answer to this in a linear world.
Posted by: Ladyl at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (TdMsT)
I'm sorry. I'll just have to trust the American people to manage to deal with things until something new can be stood up without any of the previous people. And with MUCH less power.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (AM1GF)
Yet no one puts it in those terms, they should.
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Meh - I don't really see it as a Constitutional Crisis. But I think that term gets thrown around way too often.
Congress is free to use the Constitutional remedies in its arsenal. Including impeachment. I'd prefer impeachment to some of this other BS. Its more transparent and imparts some accountability back into the system.
Trump is free to ignore Congress' request.
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (sX1BW)
First thing I thought of. IG report comes out - "No problem, already on it."
Is the FBI Lovebirds' pal Rudy Contreras still on the FISA Court?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 08, 2019 03:35 PM (TlVa0)
I didn't drink a lot of Glenlivet when I was in college.
Posted by: pep at October 08, 2019
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In college in the '70s, I'd never *heard* of Glenlivet or Glenfiddich or any of the single-malt Scotches. I drank White Horse or Sir Malcolm (horrible stuff, really), or Cutty Sark if I wanted to splurge. Also bourbons, blended whiskies, Canadian whiskies, Pabst Blue Ribbon beer, and Gallo red wine.
I was an equal-opportunity alcoholic-to-be.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 03:35 PM (ClOmq)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:26 PM (bDqIh)
I would guess so. I mean, they made the first mistake in trusting Schiff's judgment, and now they go to pull some awesome damage control while doing the most visible political act in American government.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:35 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: wth at October 08, 2019 03:36 PM (v0R5T)
Look, a good half of those searches were to try to find the names of some nudes I saw online.
Posted by: Comey at October 08, 2019 03:20 PM (yL25O)___
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Not surprisingly, they were all for male nudes.
Posted by: ShainS at October 08, 2019 03:36 PM (17bvA)
Even worse. They allowed China to add data to the database. That is, China could create entire legends for spies and grant them TS clearances in sensitive areas.
How much money do you think it is worth to have a new legend and identity made to assume that grants you access to things few people are permitted to do or see?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 03:36 PM (lD3vL)
The human mind is chronological. We cannot fathom the answer to this in a linear world.
Posted by: Ladyl at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (TdMsT)
Wasn't that just "argument from definition"? No one needed to create God because by definiton He was/is the Creator?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:36 PM (ujg0T)
WA has long been a leader in supporting and promoting those with disabilities.
In 1992, we elected Patty Murray to the Senate, who made history by being elected to the position of Senator despite having absolutely no brain at all.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2019 03:36 PM (9t0Zz)
You can be wrong, fine.
But when a Judge you basically tongues lash the President as a rogue, would-be king, for asserting Presidential immunity, acting as though the President's position was so far from a close question that HOW DARE he even assert that position, yet the Judge proves to be wrong himself, that Judge has proved himself to be a corrupt, partisan hack and should be removed from office.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 08, 2019 03:36 PM (koNhm)
Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 08, 2019 03:37 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: pep at October 08, 2019
But wut about Glenda Levit ??
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 03:37 PM (AQBtr)
Posted by: Libertarianjim (I need a new nick)
Being worked on as you post. Tentatively due out on 2021's tax form as a tax credit. However, if your income exceeds the stated ceiling you are unfortunately SOL.
Posted by: Sock Monkey...wearing my green eye shade so you can trust me on this one at October 08, 2019 03:37 PM (Lp+bg)
The whistleblower is toast because the form switching maneuver hits too close to IG home.
Posted by: hmmm
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I don't get it. The ICIG was protecting the whistleblower with that form-switching maneuver. Now he's not protecting the whistleblower?
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Because The ICIG wasn't protecting the whistle blower the ICIG was colluding with the leaker . . .
putting it in terms that CNN would use if these people were republicans . . .
Posted by: count on it at October 08, 2019 03:37 PM (2oYc3)
Posted by: Where are the indictments at October 08, 2019 03:37 PM (Bf3hj)
Wipe the organization out and start over.
Posted by: MSM at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (//Byp)
I agree, this is a very difficult concept for our minds to comprehend because of our very nature and limitations.
But basically the cosmological argument proves that if anything, anywhere at all exists... something has to have always existed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (KZzsI)
In 1992, we elected Patty Murray to the Senate, who made history by being elected to the position of Senator despite having absolutely no brain at all.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2019 03:36 PM (9t0Zz)
LMAO.
Posted by: IC at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (a0IVu)
But when a Judge basically tongue-lashes the President as a rogue, would-be king for asserting Presidential immunity, acting as though the President's position was so far from a close question that HOW DARE he even assert that position, yet that Judge proves to be wrong himself, that Judge has proved himself to be a corrupt, partisan hack and should be removed from office.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (koNhm)
So, after months of deliberation and innumerable musings on The Remnant, and $6 million bucks, "The Dispatch" is the best title they could come up with?
SAD!!
1) sounds like dogpatch
b) at least "Bulwark" is a tough and manly sounding word that you might need to look up
Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (xptlg)
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 03:37 PM
A fine girl. But not as fine as Brandi.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (ejd/p)
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper aka MrCaniac at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (I8FKK)
But *that* would mean not funding their precious welfare states that they use to lord it over us vulgar Americans, don't you know. :-D
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (ujg0T)
"technology" will soon make its way to Fireball. And, eventually, up
some pledge's rectum.
Posted by: count on it at October 08, 2019 03:31 PM (q+bdA)
I'm so glad I won't be around that much longer. We used to just drink beer, and smoke a joint. Really outrageous was bonging beer or doing whatever it was with shaking cans and punching a hole in them.
Sadly, I had to look up "plugging" and I'll never be able to unsee that shit. Make it stop.
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:39 PM (Z1ykJ)
Wasn't that just "argument from definition"? No one needed to create God because by definiton He was/is the Creator?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:36 PM (ujg0T)
Yes. But my chronological mind always wants to know "what came before."
Posted by: Ladyl at October 08, 2019 03:39 PM (TdMsT)
........
You know I've smoked a lot of grass
O'Lord I've popped a lot of pills
la la la la
Posted by: wth at October 08, 2019 03:39 PM (v0R5T)
Seems convenient that they are releasing this finding right before Horowitz comes forward with his report on FISA abuse.
- - - -
Is this an attempt to blunt the impact of the charges (old news, that's been dealt with!), or is this laying the groundwork for what is to come out soon w/the Horowitz report.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:39 PM (bDqIh)
The human mind is chronological. We cannot fathom the answer to this in a linear world.
Posted by: Ladyl at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (TdMsT)
I don't think that question can be answered in a way that pleases the mind. No matter if you're going with theology or atheism, at some point, something comes from nothing, violating causality.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 03:39 PM (J+mig)
Yet no one puts it in those terms, they should.
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That phrase is enshrined for Watergate only.
Just think. If the full extent of Obama's participation in all of this is ever fully known, Watergate will look like chump change.
The Left can't afford that. What will PBS do for programming?
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:40 PM (NFEMn)
Nah, its never about "can't" its about "won't". Like the guy you work with who steals pencils from the office, but you don't turn him in because you'd make an enemy and besides its not that bad and F the guys in charge who are all rich anyway. You CAN turn him in, but don't choose to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:40 PM (KZzsI)
The IC inspector general told lawmakers that the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower had a working relationship with one of the current 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, according to three sources with knowledge of the testimony.
"this is politics" we keep hearing
This is their answer now. *shrug*, this is just politics
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 03:40 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (ejd/p)
Brandi loved seamen
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 03:40 PM (AQBtr)
Globull warming, my ass
Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 08, 2019 03:40 PM (Y4yA8)
Posted by: Hormel, Inc. at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (0uRNV)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:40 PM
Moar quilting!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (ejd/p)
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 03:39 PM (J+mig)
Except that ultimately that is what happened. There was nothing, then there was everything.
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 03:37 PM
A fine girl. But not as fine as Brandi.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2019 03:38 PM (ejd/p)
.........
What a good wife she would be.
Posted by: wth at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (13CQC)
I don't think it was the IC IG who changed the form.
I think it came from higher. Turns out the acting head of the CIA, had called the DOJ about what she had been told by the Whistleblower, and was trying to make a criminal referral.
DOJ didn't respond the way she wanted. Suddenly form is changed to bypass the DOJ, and it can then go to Congress directly.
Because the question becomes, would the IG even have the authority to change that form? They are semi independent, but don't work in a vacuum.
She needs to answer some questions.
Oh, and for the record? Head of the CIA is a career CIA person. So could very easily be a Deep Stater.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Comey (searching for "Aquaman Naked" at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (pMGkg)
Posted by: mikeyG at October 08, 2019 03:33 PM (/Sb0s)
No offense, but I don't like it in here. I'm not at rev up the power drill levels yet, but uh....
Posted by: ghost of kari at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (VoMt7)
Yeah, that weird thing about transcending Time, it means you have neither a beginning nor end since those are time relative terms.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (lD3vL)
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I have not yet begun to lie, cheat and steal!
- Hillary Clinton
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:39 PM (Z1ykJ)
Soooo....what is it that's being plugged in this scenario?
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (RD7QR)
No, the law of causality only requires a cause for an effect. Creation requires a cause. The creator does not. In order for anything to exist, something always has to have been or there would always still be nothing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (KZzsI)
May have?
>>>by the bureau in 2017 and 2018
In 2017 and 2018. After it was supposedly locked down. How about 2009-2016 when the were running amok?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:42 PM (sX1BW)
I was an equal-opportunity alcoholic-to-be.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 03:35 PM (ClOmq)
One of the more hilarious "case studies" in MBA school was the story of brothers Ernest and Julio Gallo, who, while other California vitners were trying to beat the Frenchies, *deliberately* exploited the low end of the USA wine market, from "Andre" to "Thunderbird".
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:42 PM (ujg0T)
103 All right, close up shop. We are done as a species.
Whiskey pods.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (ycWCI)
Yup, Glenlivet.
Which raises the question, "Whatever happened to the idea of nursing your drink?" Or sipping it slowly.
Just wait - once "pod shots" deaths begin cropping up in the news, the dudgeon level will spike.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 03:42 PM (pNxlR)
Except we know that logically, scientifically, and from common sense that is not possible. Its also an a priori argument: things exist, my theory states that it wasn't created by an external force, therefore it has to have just appeared magically because otherwise my theory doesn't work.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:42 PM (sX1BW)
Then everyone has it wrong.
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: Clapper at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (1g7ch)
Yet no one puts it in those terms, they should.
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That phrase is enshrined for Watergate only.
Just think. If the full extent of Obama's participation in all of this is ever fully known, Watergate will look like chump change.
The Left can't afford that. What will PBS do for programming?
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:40 PM (NFEMn)
Clapper today said they were just following White House orders.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (NgKpN)
The latter I hope. Barr was given authority to declassify "everything" according to Trump. This kind of finding rarely gets released.
There's a reason this one was.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (ZLI7S)
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It's a tax.
J. Roberts
Posted by: count on it at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (2oYc3)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
Welcome to quantum mechanics.
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (9VeU0)
Didn't think so.
Posted by: Trump's Tax returns at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (koNhm)
Then you must posit that Time is eternal, that concept itself is a paradox.
The cosmos has locality and abides in Time, therefore there is a beginning and there is an end.
He who created the Cosmos, transcends Time and thus does not have a beginning or end.
It is really quite simple.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (lD3vL)
One of the more hilarious "case studies" in MBA school was the story of brothers Ernest and Julio Gallo, who, while other California vitners were trying to beat the Frenchies, *deliberately* exploited the low end of the USA wine market, from "Andre" to "Thunderbird".
Bartles & Jaymes wine coolers were a Gallo offering.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (pNxlR)
I don't think that question can be answered in a way that pleases the mind. No matter if you're going with theology or atheism, at some point, something comes from nothing, violating causality.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 03:39 PM (J+mig)
Reality is a subset of God's existence. His name I AM is that particular claim. He is not subject to causality because He created causality.
Posted by: Someguy at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (6GjnW)
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So what you are saying is that Boomers had simple and exploitable tastes?
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (sX1BW)
Whistleblower 2 is simply the guy that told Whistleblower 1 what to say.
So I guess he was trying to hide under anonymity. Haha, his or her name will be dropped soon enough.
The sooner the better.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: jsg at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (EUqh2)
Posted by: IC at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (a0IVu)
There's a reason this one was.
OK, thanks. I sometimes have trouble which moves are Trump's slow roll reveal vs. the swamp fighting back to protect its own.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (NgKpN)
Sounds like he was speaking about the time from the Great Disappointment of 2016, on, until that craptacular Russia election interference report came out.
I know people want to implicate Bronco from the earliest OCONUS lures (ca. 2015), which the Strzok/Page texts do, mostly, but this ain't that, IMO.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (jYnPD)
Globull warming, my ass
Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 08, 2019 03:40 PM (Y4yA
*types*
*deletes*
Helloooooooooo nurse!
Posted by: Insomniac at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (pNxlR)
Our new flavor is "Red."
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (9VeU0)
In very small print at the bottom.
Racists.
Posted by: jsg at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (EUqh2)
.........
so tomorrow is Wetback Wednesday?
Posted by: wth at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (v0R5T)
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Watergate already is chump change in comparison.
We are well across the Rubicon. They used the FBI and DOJ to try and reverse the results of an election they didn't like. And they are still trying.
Posted by: A banana republic without bananas at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (q+bdA)
I agree, some of quantum mechanic theory violates the principles of science, logic, and common sense, because it needs to in order to deny reality and maintain presupposed conditions, like the impossibility of a creator.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (KZzsI)
And where do you propose the origins of logic?
Doesn't it assume immutable laws "of Nature" ?
How did those immutable laws come into existence?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (RU4sa)
Obama
Boo!
Posted by: Clapper at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (1g7ch)
Better make sure Obama knows that your premiums are all paid up.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (hLRSq)
OT, but what is going on w/ Brexit? Is it dead?
Posted by: IC at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (a0IVu)
It's on the cart, protesting.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (jYnPD)
How does the FISA court rule on this? Was there an adversarial procedure? Which party brought the grievance against the FBI?
Is this even normal? I thought the FISA court just issued spying warrants.
Who has standing to bring something before the FISA court?
Thanks.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (gd9RK)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:42 PM (ujg0T)
the other Gallo brother?
Went into Cheese. Same idea, made things like Monterey Jack for fairly low prices, to introduce 'high end' products to a lower end market.
Successfully.
Started not too far from where I live now in Central Calif. Still expanding.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (NgKpN)
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Hillary's qualifications violated causality?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (+y/Ru)
One of the more hilarious "case studies" in MBA school was the story of brothers Ernest and Julio Gallo, who, while other California vitners were trying to beat the Frenchies, *deliberately* exploited the low end of the USA wine market, from "Andre" to "Thunderbird".
Bartles & Jaymes wine coolers were a Gallo offering.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (pNxlR)
Yep. And I don't know why they thought having two old men sell a drink aimed at young women would work, but it did.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (1g7ch)
Pard - this is part of the problem.
The FBI didn't only run wild then. They sent HRTs to cap people in Idaho and burn down compounds in Texas long before that. They eagerly started spying on Americans right after 9/11.
They're a solution looking for a problem.
Posted by: Hope Springs Eternal at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (09tFn)
Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (iAwUQ)
The left wants to hide the whistleblower(s) and interview them at off site undisclosed locations and use voice and facial hiding technology.
That is how bad (and frail) this whistleblower is. If known, the gig would be up instantly and the democrats would look even worse.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (vEIlU)
Because the question becomes, would the IG even have the authority to change that form? They are semi independent, but don't work in a vacuum.
She needs to answer some questions.
Oh, and for the record? Head of the CIA is a career CIA person. So could very easily be a Deep Stater.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (NgKpN)
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You talking about Haspel.
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (G0vdT)
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (NgKpN)
........
then he flapped his ears and flew away.
Posted by: wth at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (v0R5T)
The human mind is chronological. We cannot fathom the answer to this in a linear world.
Posted by: Ladyl at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (TdMsT)
I don't think that question can be answered in a way that pleases the mind. No matter if you're going with theology or atheism, at some point, something comes from nothing, violating causality.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 03:39 PM (J+mig)
We are creatures of this universe. We are defined by this universe. Space and Time are artifacts of THIS universe, but there's no reason to imagine they exist outside this universe, whatever such an existence may be. Our minds are not constructed to allow us to deal with anything outside of space and time, and yet logically, the origin of this universe was something that happened outside of Space and Time.
We talk about it in religious terms because that is the only way possible to talk about such a thing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (Kpl3J)
Quantum mechanics, meh.
I'll leave that up to the eggheads.
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 08, 2019 03:48 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 08, 2019 03:48 PM (LLzS4)
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Time is a man made concept.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 08, 2019 03:48 PM (yRAFu)
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Perhaps it is also because it is the truth?
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:48 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (Kpl3J)
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*grins*
Boy, when Jesus comes back, it's gonna be amazeballs.
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 03:48 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: G marks the spot at October 08, 2019 03:48 PM (Js8Dx)
*types*
*deletes*
Helloooooooooo nurse!
Posted by: Insomniac at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (NWiLs)
*shivers*
*quivers*
*leaps*
*twists*
*nails the landing*
Hi Dere Big Boy!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (hLRSq)
Maybe not. This was in '16 and '17. Adm. Rogers went to Trump in late '16, with results based on audits from before that. Sounds like shit was still going on after the FISA finding report from Conyers?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (TlVa0)
Sure you can.
Imagine, if you will that all of the Cosmos and everything within it is a Simulation.
An infinitely more advanced version of a First-Person-Shooter video game.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM (KZzsI)
Well, yeah. One of the properties of the quantum world is spontaneous creation. Something can just appear. And since the initial condition of the Universe as posited by the Big Bang is an infintesimally small point - something quantum - then spontaneously existing is merely a property of the Universe, it doesn't need a creator.
That's what Hawking said, anyway.
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (9VeU0)
Yeah, I was just kidding.
Posted by: Maxine Waterhead at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (sWM8x)
Right, if your entire argument for existence comes down to "OK we have to violate every scientific and logical law we know of to begin with" its time to reexamine your presuppositions.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (KZzsI)
I know people want to implicate Bronco from the earliest OCONUS lures (ca. 2015), which the Strzok/Page texts do, mostly, but this ain't that, IMO.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (jYnPD)
the preceding question was specifically about the START of the Russia investigation, and Russia interfering in the 2016 election.
So, no, he was talking Obama.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (NgKpN)
Bartles & Jaymes wine coolers were a Gallo offering.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (pNxlR)
Still at it---they make Barefoot
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)
Welcome to quantum mechanics.
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I AM amused.
Posted by: I AM WHO AM at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (61JVj)
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (ZCEU2)
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So what you are saying is that Boomers had simple and exploitable tastes?
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:45 PM (sX1BW)
Although lots of Great Depression era people knew "What's the word? Thunderbird! How's it sold? Good and cold!"
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (ujg0T)
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Is that the New Millennial Translation of the Bible?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Stacy at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (LIhNq)
Posted by: Sean Hannity in the basement of FBI Lubyanka at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (koNhm)
Don't make me have to hurt you.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (NWiLs)
Yeah, I was just kidding.
Posted by: Maxine Waterhead at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (sWM8x)
Uh...
Posted by: Catalyst, the Progressive Database at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:43 PM (NgKpN)
"If I'm going down, Obama, I'm taking you with me." - James "Gargoyle" Clapper
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (hLRSq)
No, one of the properties of the quantum world is that some things can seem to just appear. But since we know that is not possible, then there's a basic flaw with our observations and understanding that we cannot yet deal with.
Again: if you start from the position that you're going to abandon all scientific and logical principles just to make your theory work... you're not doing science any longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (KZzsI)
Credibility Assessment Examination, John Doe:
"Have you ever traveled to a foreign nation without first advising Security?"
"No."
"Have you had any contact with foreign nationals not otherwise identified in your SF-86?"
"No."
"Have you succumbed to the temptation, as we all have, of spying on ex-girlfriends by clicking through the FISA Warning window that pops up when you are doing searches in Popcorn database?"
"No."
"Would you like to reconsider your response?"
"Yes."
"Congratulations."
Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (hgpSN)
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (AQBtr)
Who knows? Who cares? I can't keep up with all of that stuff. Just nurture your relationship with God-as you've been doing-and the people you actually know and spend time with and it's o.k. brother.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (j0JAA)
Perhaps, but it might be better to say that Time is an ordered sequence of events.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (lD3vL)
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Is that the New Millennial Translation of the Bible?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (+y/Ru)
I think that version says when Jesus comes back it's gonna be lit AF.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (NWiLs)
I agree, some of quantum mechanic theory violates the principles of
science, logic, and common sense, because it needs to in order to deny
reality and maintain presupposed conditions, like the impossibility of a
creator.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM
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Entangled quantum particles can "communicate" through time, which destroys the linear time definition we have had since the dawn of science.
The giant hadron collider out front should have told you.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (JUOKG)
At least that's my understanding.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (RD7QR)
We talk about it in religious terms because that is the only way possible to talk about such a thing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (Kpl3J)
Pretty much. That's why I said that there wasn't a satisfying answer. The reality of it is beyond mortal comprehension.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (J+mig)
Yep. You got the number right too.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 08, 2019 03:52 PM (LLzS4)
You "agree?"
No, you don't.
Kneel.
Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 03:52 PM (hgpSN)
Barak sure ran a fked up Goverment, surprised he didn't start a NKVD bureau
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM
I know, right?
Posted by: Department of Education SWAT Team at October 08, 2019 03:52 PM (9C0cu)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:52 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 03:18 PM (ClOmq)
Only Obama could have read "Highlights" and thought Goofus was the role model.
Although in fairness, IIRC cartoonist Mike Judge is said to have read "Goofus and Gallant" as a child and was inspired to create Beavis and Butthead.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 03:52 PM (ujg0T)
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One of the more hilarious "case studies" in MBA
school was the story of brothers Ernest and Julio Gallo, who, while
other California vitners were trying to beat the Frenchies,
*deliberately* exploited the low end of the USA wine market, from
"Andre" to "Thunderbird".
Bartles Jaymes wine coolers were a Gallo offering.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (pNxlR)
Still at it---they make Barefoot
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM
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There is money to be made staying in tune with pop culture fads and fancies.
Posted by: irright at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (pMGkg)
Everything the GOPe learned, they learned from the Russians.
Posted by: Fritz at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (2Mnv1)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (KP5rU)
Perhaps, but it might be better to say that Time is an ordered sequence of events.
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Death is but a door.
Time is but a window.
I'll be back.
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (YMKdZ)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019
*
*
They were not only wise to hold the price down; they were also wise to have a screw-on top to their bottles instead of a cork.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (ClOmq)
Which raises the question, "Whatever happened to the idea of nursing your drink?" Or sipping it slowly.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 03:42 PM
Seriously. If you're doing shots of Scotch, you're wrong. This is Science.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (ejd/p)
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 08, 2019 03:48 PM (yRAFu)
I know you're joking - but in fact, Time as we know it is limited to this universe, and it is not constant, it's flow changes in relation to your velocity. If there was such a thing as a being that existed outside this universe, it would be simple for such a being, or beings, to step in and out of it at any time they chose. It also would solve the predictive paradox - if you can move through time, then you can know about something that will happen without having caused it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (NWiLs)
.......
Bruh.
Posted by: wth at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (v0R5T)
And basing anything upon those guesses may work, in a limited sense, by coincidence, but isn't good science.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (KZzsI)
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Is that the New Millennial Translation of the Bible?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (+y/Ru)
I think that version says when Jesus comes back it's gonna be lit AF.
======
All translations limp. If you could understand what I really said you'd be . . . .
. an infinitesimal point spontaneously appearing and inflating faster than the speed of light
. ha ha I jest
Posted by: I AM WHO AM at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (jIEct)
START of the Russia investigation, and Russia interfering in the 2016
election.
So, no, he was talking Obama.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM (NgKpN)
Jim Sciutto: "Are you concerned that Barr or Durham"s investigation will find wrongdoing and seek to punish former intelligence officials like you?""
CLAPPER: The message I'm getting from all this is, apparently what we were supposed to have done was to ignore the Russian interference, ignore the Russian meddling and the threat that it poses to us, and oh, by the way, blown off what the then commander in chief, President Obama, told us to do, which was to assemble all the reporting that we could that we had available to us . . . .
The timeline was, election 2016, people started freaking and went with Muh Russia! Barky announced that he would look into it and publicize the findings.
This was all post election election actions Clapper is referring to, IMO.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (jYnPD)
Zod learned "Your papers, please" from British actors portraying Nazi officers in old war movies.
Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (hgpSN)
I agree, some of quantum mechanic theory violates the principles of
science, logic, and common sense, because it needs to in order to deny
reality and maintain presupposed conditions, like the impossibility of a
creator.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:46 PM
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Entangled quantum particles can "communicate" through time, which destroys the linear time definition we have had since the dawn of science.
The giant hadron collider out front should have told you.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (JUOKG)
Not through time, but they can align their states instantaneously over distances that special relativity says is not possible--true simultaneity. Quantum mechanics is voodoo, really.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (RD7QR)
(From today's NY Post):
https://tinyurl.com/y5lsubhl
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (j0JAA)
Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (xPJvm)
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I'm guessing they may have also been the first to really create a blend, so that you always got the same average wine.
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (KP5rU)
high 5
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (AQBtr)
Just like these criminals who enjoy "querying databases", which used to be called "unlawful searches" and was a crime once upon a time, the deep staters that Stewart celebrates are foul traitors. They belong in the dock, and should be subjected to the most stringent penalties possible.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM (KP5rU)
Happy birthday! *throws confetti*
Posted by: IC at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (a0IVu)
Ok, so who s going to jail ?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 08, 2019 03:48 PM (LLzS4)
No controlling legal authority.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (6hyL5)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 03:44 PM (pNxlR)
Still at it---they make Barefoot
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019
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I hate their logo. Get Liv Tyler to pose shoeless on their bottles and you'll really have something.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (ClOmq)
Again, they appear to, based on our limited comprehension and guesswork around the best observations and tools we now presently have to work with. Ants from dust.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (KZzsI)
That's a popular sentiment around here, but what about simple agnostics?
I'm not fighting belief or believers with every fibre of my being. I just think it's kind of silly. Believers are in fact the best people, I think they're good people who find religion a fulfilling framework for defining and cultivating their goodness.
But if you want me to believe that the Ominipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent revealed himself only to desert people 4,000 and again 2,000 years ago, well that doesn't make sense to me.
So have a good time. Church can be fun and they have nice music. But not all non-believers are your enemy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (gd9RK)
Posted by: Stacy at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (LIhNq)
And their efforts to deny the light of, and snuff out their divine spark drives them to desperation, rage, and madness. Their pride tells them that they must be the ultimate master of all that they behold, yet they know on an unfathomable subconscious level they are not.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (J+mig)
But I'm not sure it's an endorsement for a product where it's basically "you just swallow them, so you don't have to taste that shit!"
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (Z1ykJ)
Laphroaig is what they'd really need that for, heh.
Posted by: Allie at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (sm6Pk)
Posted by: Attorney General William Barr at October 08, 2019 03:56 PM (LISuA)
Is this even normal? I thought the FISA court just issued spying warrants.
Who has standing to bring something before the FISA court?
Thanks.
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This might help - at least this is my guess at what started all of this: https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8wr6yyw
I couldn't read the linked article, but it appears that this is based on a FISA court compliance issue:
On October 24, 2016, the government orally apprised the [FISA] Court of significant non-compliance with the NSA's minimization procedures involving queries of data acquired under Section 702 using U.S. person identifiers. The full scope of non-compliant querying practices had not been previously disclosed to the Court. Two days later, on the day the Court otherwise would have had to complete its review of the certifications and procedures, the government made a written submission regarding those compliance problems . . .and the Court held a hearing to address them.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2019 03:56 PM (bDqIh)
*quivers*
*leaps*
*twists*
*nails the landing*
Hi Dere Big Boy!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 03:49 PM
Somehow, coming from you, that's kind of disturbing.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2019 03:56 PM (ejd/p)
So who switched off the engine that makes things magically appear ex nihilo ?
Otherwise, wouldn't we have infinite quantities of everything?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 03:56 PM (lD3vL)
It's heavily redacted but this appears to be a review early incidents and the changes to the FISA laws proposed by Congress.
https://tinyurl.com/y68oeafo
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 03:56 PM (ZLI7S)
Well, Trump made us do it!
Posted by: Flanigan Brannigan and Iskavitch at October 08, 2019 03:56 PM (37IEG)
What's the use case?
If you're supposed to puncture the pod before drinking, the pod was simply a container, in which case it's a poor container. It's easily damaged.
If you're not supposed to puncture the pod, why bother having anything other than high purity liquor? Why have flavors? Those are only enjoyable in your mouth. I'd imagine something like 190 proof alcohol going straight into your stomach would get you drunk lightning fast.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2019 03:56 PM (9t0Zz)
I just don't think that this is Clapper throwing Bronco under the bus for the whole enchilada.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:57 PM (jYnPD)
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People who are comfortable in their beliefs don't mind be challenged by them.
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 03:57 PM (sX1BW)
a screw on top is like a shaved schmundie
not quite the same
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 03:57 PM (AQBtr)
301 I'm happy I know how a tank and a gun works.
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (RU4sa)
I was blown away the first time we recovered an M-1. That T-Handle and slider was not what I expected.
Posted by: Hope Springs Eternal at October 08, 2019 03:57 PM (09tFn)
The same one that switched it on? Is that so baffling a concept that a creator could at their own will cease creating?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 03:57 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (ZCEU2)
He did promise us an internal security organization better than the military, while keeping the military occupied overseas.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 08, 2019 03:57 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (6hyL5)
Night Train.
Night Train vomitus is an effective adhesive for hair, shirts, pillowcases, clothing, shame, other things.
Carry on.
Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 03:57 PM (hgpSN)
Posted by: shibumi at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (2KYgn)
I meant 17 and 18, sorry.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (TlVa0)
Don't forget Boone's Farm.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (6hyL5)
They also made Thunderbird, Night Train and Ripple
Posted by: JoeF. at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (9t0Zz)
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2019
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Whenever I hear the phrase "hadron collider," I picture two hadrosaurs butting heads while a young T. Rex watches to see who survives.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (ClOmq)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 03:56 PM (lD3vL)
It's all Boltzmann Brains, man.
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (9VeU0)
through time, which destroys the linear time definition we have had
since the dawn of science.
The giant hadron collider out front should have told you.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2019 03:51 PM (JUOKG)
Not through time, but they can align their states instantaneously
over distances that special relativity says is not possible--true
simultaneity. Quantum mechanics is voodoo, really.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM
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Uh yes they can communicate through time. An Israeli science team at the University of Jerusalem conducted a successful experiment proving that in 2013.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (JUOKG)
You are cribbing from Saint Paul in the second half of the first chapter of his letter to the Romans.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (lD3vL)
Zod is a non-believer.
He may be your enemy. He may not be.
He gives the choice to you. Choose...wisely.
Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (hgpSN)
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Time is a man made concept.
Posted by: Puddin Head
Time, or really rather space-time, is irrelevant without (mass/energy). Entropy defines/indicates its flow. Cosmologically, space-time as we understand it was said to start at the Big Bang, with whatever came before being in a timeless state until...well, something happened.
Cosmology gives me migraines. Seriously, you may as well go with "Fiat lux" and be done with it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 03:53 PM
Funniest label I saw on a craft IPA recently was "Another One".
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (ejd/p)
That's apostate talk!
Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (9t0Zz)
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (RD7QR)
I would not say that quantum physics "defies" logic and time; rather, the problems that arise are indications that our understanding of logic and time, as well as most things, are not nearly as complete as we imagine they are.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (Kpl3J)
I was convinced it meant "you suck" in Espanol, so I looked it up.
Turns out it means "you then." I don't get it...
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (6hyL5)
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (ZCEU2)
The Paolo. He sometimes does contract work for this collider.
Posted by: Paolo at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (4VGhz)
Huh. This is bad on two levels. The first is the American star chamber our betters have constructed. Secret courts have no place in this country.
The second is that nothing will come of this. Most of these people still have jobs and those few that don't still have their freedom.
Star chambers and two-tiered justice. America in the 21st century.
Feh.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: dananjcon at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (u6xw0)
a screw on top is like a shaved schmundie
not quite the same
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019
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Maybe not . . . but for those of us whose main concern was getting the wine into ourselves fast, that screw-on top made a difference.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (ClOmq)
Posted by: Attorney General William Barr at October 08, 2019 03:56 PM (LISuA)
..........
outside your purview?
Posted by: wth at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: MikeN at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (9zfUE)
This was all post election election actions Clapper is referring to, IMO.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (jYnPD)
From Wiki.
Russian attempts to interfere in the election were first disclosed publicly by members of the United States Congress on September 22, 2016, confirmed by United States intelligence agencies on October 7, 2016
All pre election. All HAD to have been discussed internally in the White House before, to even TELL Congress.
Posted by: Catalyst, the Progressive Database at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (NgKpN)
Hi, we have something to say about that.
Posted by: The Mormons at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (9t0Zz)
Posted by: shibumi
That's one hell of a risk to take.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: blaster at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (9VeU0)
True agnostics, I can respect. Saying "I don't know" is at least an honest answer, and honesty is a rare commodity in this world.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (J+mig)
Virginia plate:
"EAT PUS"
Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (hgpSN)
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (6hyL5)
Me neither. We've known that Obama tasked the Intel Community to do an Intelligence Assessment of the Russian interference in the 2016 election for over 2 years.
On the other hand, no shit Obama was involved. You would have to be a mouth breathing moron not to know he was involved since his entire team was involved, Brennan has talked about briefing him and the Page-Strzok texts showed he was involve.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (ZLI7S)
This morning I was stuck behind an SUV with a custom license plate that read "Tu Pues."
I was convinced it meant "you suck" in Espanol, so I looked it up.
Turns out it means "you then." I don't get it...
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 03:59 PM (6hyL5)
French for you stink?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (jYnPD)
Well that, and the tools we have to observe and understand what is happening are at the far ragged end of their usefulness so we're getting a very poor picture of events. Its like trying to identify a robber from grainy black and white security camera footage or guess a song from only the thunderous bass beat as a car goes by.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 08, 2019 03:53
Happy B'day. And think about all those Wed Sr. Citizen discounts you'll get.
*make note note to go out Wed.*
Posted by: olddog in mo at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (Dhht7)
But don't quote me on that.
Posted by: Entangled Particle From the Future at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (4VGhz)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (gd9RK)
Posted by: raimondo at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (Uewhw)
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Time is a man made concept.
Posted by: Puddin Head
Time, or really rather space-time, is irrelevant without (mass/energy). Entropy defines/indicates its flow. Cosmologically, space-time as we understand it was said to start at the Big Bang, with whatever came before being in a timeless state until...well, something happened.
Cosmology gives me migraines. Seriously, you may as well go with "Fiat lux" and be done with it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (AM1GF)
Quantum loop cosmology. Apparently we've been shrinking, expanding, shrinking, and bouncing through time for a long, long time.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (RD7QR)
Transcending the evident.
Watch as reality bends to my will.
I am the future
I am the past
I have seen you breathe your last.
"The Time Bender"- Becoming the Archetype
awesome Christian metal. Thanks to those in the discussion that reminded me of them.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (DB16e)
Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (WkmoA)
I agree. The Bible says that He's doing it constantly all around us.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: steevy at October 08, 2019 03:08 PM (KNsKs)
..........
Download the Takl app today!
Posted by: wth at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (6hyL5)
Uh Oh, you are suggesting intelligence and design.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 03:50 PM (+y/Ru)
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lol
I always thought it was funny.
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 04:02 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (J+mig)
"The Reuben, or the Monte Cristo?"
"I don't know...they *both* sound so good!"
"OK, well, decide, so we can have lunch."
"Hmmm. The Reu...no, wait. Maybe the Monte Cr..."
Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 04:02 PM (hgpSN)
Uh yes they can communicate through time. An Israeli science team at the University of Jerusalem conducted a successful experiment proving that in 2013.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (JUOKG)
Could you ask them to tell us next week's winning lottery tickets?
Joking aside, the present does not co exist with the past and future.
Posted by: Someguy at October 08, 2019 04:02 PM (6GjnW)
not quite the same
Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 03:57 PM (AQBtr)
The latter appears to have become the norm.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 08, 2019 04:02 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: shibumi
That's one hell of a risk to take.
Posted by: Brother Cavil,
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Agreed. I would not do that. But, consider this, no man, adverse to tremendous risk, would have left comfort to run for president.
I have a feeling Donnie Two Scoops is going BALLS OUT.
Posted by: simplemind at October 08, 2019 04:02 PM (q+bdA)
Didn't think so.
Posted by: Trump's Tax returns
I have nothing to hide....except the stuff that's already hidden...and my Google search history
Posted by: Sock Monkey...innocently whistling at October 08, 2019 04:02 PM (Lp+bg)
Night Train vomitus is an effective adhesive for hair, shirts, pillowcases, clothing, shame, other things.
Carry on.
Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 03:57 PM (hgpSN)
A Fine Grape Wine.
Says so right on the label.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 08, 2019 04:03 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2019 04:03 PM (9t0Zz)
He knows when to hold'em and when to fold'em... ;-)
And when to go all in.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 04:03 PM (6hyL5)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (gd9RK)
Agnostics certainly do condescension well.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 04:03 PM (NqZ29)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 03:58 PM (AM1GF)
Before the "Big Bang" theory came about in the 20's, it was a common conception among all cosmologists that the Universe had existed in a steady state forever. They believed this because it was much easier to make this assumption than to have to deal with all the issues that arose from thinking that there was some defined starting point. Besides, only those icky religious nuts believed there was actually some defined starting point.
One of the greatest scientific ironies of the 20th century is that every line of evidence keeps pointing back to a big bang, and now everyone seems to have forgotten that the idea was originally hated by the Scientific Establishment since it was "too religious."
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 04:03 PM (Kpl3J)
I agree. The Bible says that He's doing it constantly all around us.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 08, 2019 04:01 PM (KZzsI)
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Oh yes he is.
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 04:03 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: lance bane at October 08, 2019 04:04 PM (ransv)
"A REBUKE" well lordy me I am feeling faint,a slap on the wrist was too much to ask?
SALT THEIR SALTED EARTH TILL EVEN THE SALT
SQUEALS the do it again and again.
Posted by: saf at October 08, 2019 04:04 PM (5IHGB)
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 04:04 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at October 08, 2019 04:04 PM (NM/OW)
"There ya go. A Monte Rube!"
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 08, 2019 04:04 PM (6hyL5)
I look forward to your demonstration in which you un-crack an egg.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2019 04:03 PM (9t0Zz)
There is no spoon , I mean egg.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 04:04 PM (NqZ29)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 08, 2019 04:05 PM (LLzS4)
Happy B-Day young man.....at the count of 3, all of the 'ettes jump out of his cake!
Posted by: Cheri at October 08, 2019 04:05 PM (oiNtH)
367 214 Glenlivet really isn't that bad.
But I'm not sure it's an endorsement for a product where it's basically "you just swallow them, so you don't have to taste that shit!"
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 08, 2019 03:34 PM (Z1ykJ)
Laphroaig is what they'd really need that for, heh.
Posted by: Allie at October 08, 2019 03:55 PM (sm6Pk)
I've always described the Laphroaig experience as "licking a hospital ashtray".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 08, 2019 04:06 PM (veoSD)
Posted by: MikeN at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (9zfUE)
And reporters, and judges, and congress.
All known.
Keep everyone under your thumb.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 08, 2019 04:06 PM (1g7ch)
Happy B-Day young man.....at the count of 3, all of the 'ettes jump out of his cake!
Posted by: Cheri at October 08, 2019 04:05 PM (oiNtH)
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*side eye*
Yeah, Happy Birthday and all dat, but me jumping out of a cake ain't happenin'.
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 04:07 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: Someguy
So you are a proponent of the A theory of Time?
Posted by: Sock Monkey...innocently whistling at October 08, 2019 04:07 PM (Lp+bg)
Posted by: lance bane
Hooker with the clap on Hollywood & Vine?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 04:08 PM (0t+fn)
So are road beers. I've got three hours left of one on a drive to the next job, and I'm out of the other.
Not happy about either.
Posted by: Hope Springs Eternal at October 08, 2019 04:08 PM (09tFn)
Posted by: Cheri at October 08, 2019 04:08 PM (oiNtH)
first disclosed publicly by members of the United States Congress on
September 22, 2016, confirmed by United States intelligence agencies on
October 7, 2016
All pre election. All HAD to have been discussed internally in the White House before, to even TELL Congress.
Posted by: Catalyst, the Progressive Database at October 08, 2019 04:00 PM (NgKpN)
That's "interference." Acknowledged late in 2016. Spying began much earlier, likely2015 or even earlier. Obama Russia election meddling EO was December 29, 2016, and that rush to preserve "intelligence" they had accused the incoming Trump administration of potentially covering up all happened post election, late in 2016, as they were scrambling about what to do.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 08, 2019 04:08 PM (jYnPD)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 04:08 PM (NqZ29)
Posted by: Cheri at October 08, 2019 04:08 PM (oiNtH)
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And here I thought it was a real b-day cake.
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 04:09 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 04:07 PM (RU4sa)
I would be unable to jump out of cake even if I wanted to . but I wish Chavez a very happy birthday too.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 08, 2019 04:09 PM (j0JAA)
Posted by: SMH at October 08, 2019 04:09 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at October 08, 2019 04:11 PM (rP4OC)
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at October 08, 2019 04:11 PM (NM/OW)
Which isn't true at all.
The O3 made Himself known to the first humans, and since then kept a Remnant until this Day. The Creation itself is and has always been testimony to the Creator.
The "Desert People" were those in which the doctrines of Grace, Election, Repentance, Atonement and the Law (to name a few) were demonstrated. (It only works if you work with a subset of humanity)
But unbelief is understandable. The Bible, according to 1 Cor 2:14 is a closed book.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 04:13 PM (lD3vL)
298 DOJ didn't respond the way she wanted. Suddenly form is changed to bypass the DOJ, and it can then go to Congress directly.
Because the question becomes, would the IG even have the authority to change that form? They are semi independent, but don't work in a vacuum.
She needs to answer some questions.
Oh, and for the record? Head of the CIA is a career CIA person. So could very easily be a Deep Stater.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (NgKpN)
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You talking about Haspel.
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (G0vdT)
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The same person in charge of the London CIA Station when all the shenanigans with Christopher Steele, George Poppadopolopolous, Misfud, Ambassador Alexander Downer, and Carter Page were occurring.
Pure coincidence?
Posted by: rd at October 08, 2019 04:13 PM (+0uDE)
The magic word is "predicate". Everyone can point back to somebody with authority who told them to do whatever. Everybody but one guy. He's SOL.
But the UCMJ* places responsibility to refuse an illegal order even on to the lowest ranking soldier. Wonder how that works in the IC?
*Uniform Code of Military Justice
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 08, 2019 04:15 PM (TlVa0)
Posted by: Xipe Totec
Our first limitation is that we frame everything based upon the metrics of man. The door of the mysteries of our Creator will not be opened by science. As an example explain eternality or for that matter perfection or Einstein's enigma, Time.I do not require that level understanding to know that He is who the Bible says He is.
Posted by: Sock Monkey...innocently whistling at October 08, 2019 04:15 PM (Lp+bg)
Perhaps, but it might be better to say that Time is an ordered sequence of events.
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Relatively speaking, yes.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 08, 2019 04:15 PM (yRAFu)
Posted by: Richard Head at October 08, 2019 04:15 PM (LLUXC)
Heh. I looked that up. Alex says I was born without the faith gene.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 04:15 PM (gd9RK)
And every line of evidence keeps pointing back to "And God said 'Let there be Light'"
Its the interpretation of the evidence that makes the differences in the narratives.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 08, 2019 04:18 PM (lD3vL)
OT I don't always agree with Cardinal Timothy Dolan, but I like his take on his Christian appreciation for Yom Kippur:
(From today's NY Post):
https://tinyurl.com/y5lsubhl
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 08, 2019 03:54 PM (j0JAA)
Fenelon -Hope all is well with you. You yours are in my (our) prayers.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 08, 2019 04:18 PM (N39Ws)
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You sure about that?
Posted by: Gravity at October 08, 2019 04:19 PM (Lp+bg)
Because the question becomes, would the IG even have the authority
to change that form? They are semi independent, but don't work in a
vacuum.
She needs to answer some questions.
Oh, and for the record? Head of the CIA is a career CIA person. So could very easily be a Deep Stater.
Posted by: Don Q at October 08, 2019 03:41 PM (NgKpN)
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You talking about Haspel.
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2019 03:47 PM (G0vdT)
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Didn't the DNI also testify that he wasn't notified of the form change?
Posted by: mrp at October 08, 2019 04:20 PM (Pqytn)
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Followed by
>Towel Thursday>Freebee Friday>Sitizen Saturday
Posted by: Acme Clusters at October 08, 2019 04:21 PM (5NMZN)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 08, 2019 04:22 PM (N39Ws)
Where I came from, there were no end of people more than willing to say "Hold my spiritual beer and watch this", all to prove they had faith.
Posted by: Hope Springs Eternal at October 08, 2019 04:25 PM (09tFn)
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You better believe this is related. 85% of all searches on the MEGA data was illegal and most was not even carried out by the various alphabet agencies. The FBI and CIA hired outside contractors to acquire data that was primarily political opposition research. Nellie Ohr is the one of the primary parties (contractors) working on behalf of Fusion GPS, doing this.
Posted by: Orson at October 08, 2019 04:32 PM (TVhop)
It is about unmasking. Nellie Ohr queried the database as a Fusion GPS employee
Posted by: RedEchos at October 08, 2019 05:39 PM (lokiW)
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