The Media Isn't Just Burying the Hunter Biden Corruption Story. It's Also Burying the Story of Joe Biden's Brother, James Biden, and His Corruption, Too.

Mollie Hemingway spoke about this today.

The media is mostly ignoring that former Vice President Joe Biden’s brother is also involved in a scandal, said Federalist editor Mollie Hemingway.

Hemingway discussed the Biden family's business dealings in Ukraine with "Fox & Friends" hosts Monday. Both Biden's son Hunter Biden and brother James Biden have been involved in shady business dealings, Hemingway said.

...

The Federalist editor pointed out that a July New Yorker profile said a Chinese businessman gave Hunter Biden a diamond gift.

"It's kind of surprising that some of these media figures are so ignorant of these facts or claiming that to talk about these facts is a conspiracy theory," Hemingway said.

"I actually think it's so much worse than just a double standard, which is something that we’ve seen for a long time," Hemingway added. "We actually have a story here where [President] Donald Trump and a few people in the government are trying to get to the bottom of what actually happened in the 2016 election, which involved some meddling from foreign countries -- it involves the weaponization of our law enforcement and intelligence agencies. And as this comes out, they’re trying to... refocus this story in a different direction. And it is not good."

Video at the link.

Biden recently threatened CNN and Fox News that they must not run a Trump ad about the Biden family's corruption. CNN complied with the threat, naturally.
The ad is here.

Hemingway had additional thoughts on the media. Via Twitter:

The @chucktodd meltdown is instructional. It is clearly very frustrating for those in the media who are pushing impeachment (after the Russia hoax they pushed for years) that those outside of their bubble are not falling for this latest attempt to undo the 2016 election.

Media/Democrats are struggling to get impeachment going, hoping that (historically feckless, admittedly) GOP pols can be pressured to join. A few barriers: 1) They've not come close to articulating a coherent case for impeachment 2) can't even get an official inquiry launched...

3) GOP voters are already upset that GOP pols were cowards in the face of an obviously false Russia hoax that they allowed Democrats/media to perpetuate for years 4) GOP voters would like action against those who perpetuated the dangerously false smear of treasonous collusion...

5) GOP voters at this point would be ready to utterly destroy any GOP politician who not only did nothing in response to the previous attempts to unseat the Republican president, but followed it up by joining the latest attempt.

She also noted:



Which has been clear for a long time, but which has never been so clear -- they're not hiding their open contempt much any longer.

And might as well link Mollie's appearance on special report from Friday.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 07:31 PM




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Posted by: clutch cargo at October 07, 2019 07:33 PM (Z1ykJ)

2

They hate me. They really hate me.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 07:33 PM (aKsyK)

3 Chuck Todd is an asshole, or a pussy, or trans-something

Posted by: rammajamma at October 07, 2019 07:34 PM (xceTB)

4 Corgi whistled

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 07, 2019 07:34 PM (Z1ykJ)

5 Should we expect anything else?

Posted by: 🐧 at October 07, 2019 07:34 PM (lD3vL)

6 What a family

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2019 07:34 PM (ZCEU2)

7 Trump's taxes!

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 07, 2019 07:34 PM (Z1ykJ)

8 I hope Mollie is right about the base being ready to toss the GOPe cowards. Fuck those cunts in particular.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 07:35 PM (y7DUB)

9 Rudy was hinting at a Romania scandal as well... Damn slow joe was busy the last eight years.

Posted by: Pliney at October 07, 2019 07:35 PM (nzKWW)

10 I did not even know Smoking Joe had a brother.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 07:35 PM (2B9A/)

11 His brother too? Goodness, corruption is part of their DNA it appears.

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (a0IVu)

12 willowed -
253 They made a decent video game out of Willow, if memory serves.
Posted by: Rusty Nail


Possibly. Pitch Black was ... okay; and the other Riddick movies a waste of time. And then there was Escape From Butcher Bay, the game. Pure awesome.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (ykYG2)

13 His brother too? Goodness, corruption is part of their DNA it appears.

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (a0IVu)


Nice to have something in your DNA if it's not a head of hair.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (Z1ykJ)

14 Possibly. Pitch Black was ... okay; and the other Riddick movies a waste of time. And then there was Escape From Butcher Bay, the game. Pure awesome.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (ykYG2)

There was a third in the Pitch Black series? I caught the sequel with Karl Urban (not great.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (2B9A/)

15 I did not even know Smoking Joe had a brother.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 07:35 PM (2B9A/)


Lots of paste in Scranton.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 07:37 PM (y7DUB)

16 like I keep saying, trump oval office, prime time, tight speech.

Also, trumps' ads are pretty good, and they're running in my blue slice of hell. so...money and balls are nice.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 07:37 PM (FEQY4)

17 5) GOP voters at this point would be ready to utterly destroy any GOP politician who not only did nothing in response to the previous attempts to unseat the Republican president, but followed it up by joining the latest attempt.

Great. Looking at you, Romney.

Posted by: abbynormal at October 07, 2019 07:37 PM (I849g)

18
Whoa... I didn't know there was a third Biden boy.

Well, if he dies, at least Hunter's got another freaky-deaky Levirate marriage lined up.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 07:38 PM (dp68O)

19 I thought Pitch Black was a good movie overall, although a touch too much of an obvious Vin Diesel vehicle.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 07:38 PM (2B9A/)

20 Mollie's my hero.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at October 07, 2019 07:38 PM (2sCft)

21 The Grand Reveal continues.

(it was what was done at French Costume Balls, at the end of the night, when everyone took off their masks).

Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 07:39 PM (NgKpN)

22 Back on topic : The Boulder press and I'm guessing the Front Range press generally is spinning all this HARD as the Trump campaign going to foreign countries to "dig up dirt" on his opponents, implying that said opponents dindu nuffin.

I don't know if people in Colorado even believe this shit themselves.

What I fear is that they think this Narrative is useful. The soyboy way isn't to believe what the Party says - that's for rubes. It's to throw it at the Republicans for rhetorical effect.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:39 PM (ykYG2)

23 Also, trumps' ads are pretty good, and they're running in my blue slice of hell. so...money and balls are nice.

Its kind of pathetic that the Enemedia runs with outright lies and libel against Trump, yet the same outlets that are trying to destroy (sans CNN) him will gladly take his advert money.

In a way, CNN is the only criminal enterprise with enough character to not take money from their enemy.

Posted by: 🐧 at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (lD3vL)

24 17 5) GOP voters at this point would be ready to utterly destroy any GOP politician who not only did nothing in response to the previous attempts to unseat the Republican president, but followed it up by joining the latest attempt.

Great. Looking at you, Romney.
Posted by: abbynormal at October 07, 2019 07:37 PM (I849g)

DC grossly underestimates the amount of anger out here in the hinterlands.

Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (NgKpN)

25 My war stock portfolio needs fresh blood.

Impeachment and a new round of heavy bombings, now!

Posted by: Kristol at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (B/g/o)

26 It's not just the mask dropping from the fake conservatives in the media, it's the fake conservative politicians aren't even being fetted by the media anymore.

They are going on these shows and being treated like the rest of us.

And that was not the deal!! They're to be the reasonable, responsible compromise on favor of a little more left in exchange for better treatment from the guards!

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (k81AA)

27 His brother too? Goodness, corruption is part of their DNA it appears.

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (a0IVu)



The lure of easy money
it has a very strong appeal

Posted by: Zombie Glenn Frey at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (BiNEL)

28 Trump's Biden ad ran here in So Cal as well. I was pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (a0IVu)

29 The Media can always be counted on to do the wrong thing and lie.

Corrupt government, corrupt media work hand in hand to swindle and loot.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (Z+IKu)

30 Can we simply call it "gaslighting" by the media? Why yes, yes we can.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (+P7VR)

31 Nancy Pelosi's son is also involved in shady dealings in Ukraine.

Imagine that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G5zNKkt-Og&t=3s

Posted by: RKae at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (R8sFo)

32 Mollie rocks the house. Love her tireless efforts to help save the country

Posted by: G marks the spot at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (Js8Dx)

33 Someone with some skill should just photoshop Hillary's face over these journalists mugs because that is all they blab are Clinton/Dem talking points.

Posted by: jsg at October 07, 2019 07:41 PM (+7OYv)

34 Fucking kooks.

Posted by: zombie Miki Dora at October 07, 2019 07:41 PM (v0R5T)

35 Mollie is a warrior.

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019 07:41 PM (a0IVu)

36 And that was not the deal!! They're to be the reasonable, responsible compromise on favor of a little more left in exchange for better treatment from the guards!
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (k81AA)

Oh no. Pretty soon they will not even be invited to all the cool cocktail parties!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 07:41 PM (2B9A/)

37 That's why the news clip of Crazy Uncle Joe today or from yesterday told the reporter not to look at what he did, it's Trump who needs to be investigated.

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2019 07:41 PM (ZCEU2)

38 If nothing is happening, why is the left and the media freaking out so bad? Yes, they hate Trump but they are completely losing their minds. This is not normal, they didn't even hate Bush this much and he was literally Hitler.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2019 07:41 PM (ZLI7S)

39 I don't know if people in Colorado even believe this shit themselves.

What I fear is that they think this Narrative is useful. The soyboy way isn't to believe what the Party says - that's for rubes. It's to throw it at the Republicans for rhetorical effect.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:39 PM (ykYG2)

all you need to do is point out that 2 Ukrainians have been CONVICTED of interfering in OUR 2016 election, on the side of the Democrats.

Trump just wants to get to the bottom of that.

Case, closed.

Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 07:41 PM (NgKpN)

40 Can we simply call it "gaslighting" by the media? Why yes, yes we can.

Well ... only if we cared what the media had to say, so ... "attempted gas lighting!"

Posted by: Adriane the Literary Critic ... at October 07, 2019 07:42 PM (LPnfS)

41 Remember "Shoot your television"?Still good advice.
JWM

Posted by: jwm at October 07, 2019 07:42 PM (Tdh/t)

42 There is only ONE PERSON, that can SAVE, Joe Biden from himself,

CORN POP.

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 07:42 PM (dMrJJ)

43 I haven't been able to watch FNC of late. Is Mollie still on with Brett in the late early evening show? That gal is one smart cookie.

Posted by: micky at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (nizGE)

44 "5) GOP voters at this point would be ready to utterly destroy any GOP politician who not only did nothing in response to the previous attempts to unseat the Republican president, but followed it up by joining the latest attempt."

Enter Mitt Romney, stage left.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (H8QX8)

45 The American press are heroes.

Heroes.

Posted by: Democrat Party and ABCBSNBCNN, but we repeat ourselves at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (sy5kK)

46 Deep State routinely provides sinecures for the faithful and their spawn.... this has been going on for decades, both in and out of the public eye.It is something that just. is. not. talked. about. To do so, is a mortal sin.

Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (90T4r)

47 Only productive thing I've done today is send an email off to Cathy McMorris Rogers office asking about her silence on this issue.

Posted by: Sock Monkey.... warp overload achieved at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (iDKtp)

48 Possibly. Pitch Black was ... okay; and the other Riddick movies a waste of time. And then there was Escape From Butcher Bay, the game. Pure awesome.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (ykYG2)

There was a third in the Pitch Black series? I caught the sequel with Karl Urban (not great.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (2B9A/)

I liked all of them. Third better than the second.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (2DOZq)

49 if people get het up enough, grass roots tea party style, i can see big demonstrations in d.c. in support of trump.

Posted by: mjc at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (Pg+x7)

50 Trump is such a sweet-talker that folks just can't wait to drop their masks.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (urYkN)

51
Remember "Shoot your television"?Still good advice.
JWM
Posted by: jwm


A Smart TV will shoot back.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM (aKsyK)

52 There was a third in the Pitch Black series? I caught the sequel with Karl Urban (not great.)



Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 07:36 PM (2B9A/)

Yeah, it was a low budget deal that Vin Diesel wanted to do. Had Katie Sackhoff in it. It was alright for being low budget. I thought the second one was okay.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM (J70i0)

53 It's not going well for Trump on some of the .mil forums. If you belong to one, stop by. The later is gets, and I guess the more some people get liquored up, the more hilarious it is.

Don't forget some of these guys have given years off their lives, marriages, grievous injuries and brothers to this fight. Then in one embarrassing Twitter post while he's in the head, Trump decides- nah, we're leaving.

One guy wanted to know if he could send a porn subscription to the White House so Trump has something else to do on the toilet. Lmfao.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM (8ts9m)

54 A Smart TV will shoot back.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM (aKsyK)

--------

It's final act will be to call in a red-flag report.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM (dp68O)

55 Can we simply call it "gaslighting" by the media? Why yes, yes we can.

Every organization lies and gaslights, because as humans we should know better, and it is socially rewarding to virtue signal what we know is best, but it is against our nature to act out what is best.

Our company when on one of those retreats where there is team building, recognition sessions and, of course, the obligatory values clarification session which is a mission statement and a vocalized intent to treat people well with integrity and honesty, empowerment and championing innovation and dedication.

I ended up calling the whole theater "Camp Gaslight"

Posted by: 🐧 at October 07, 2019 07:45 PM (lD3vL)

56 Scranton is incredibly corrupt. It is the New Orleans of PA.

Posted by: Regular joe at October 07, 2019 07:45 PM (6/uwW)

57 they shoot televisions, don't they?

Posted by: mjc at October 07, 2019 07:45 PM (Pg+x7)

58 How do we explain Romney's behavior then?

Is this all because of his and his son's Solamere company's business with China, or does this tool actually believe there are people who will see him as the perfect replacement for Trump, taking the brave stand on impeachment?

It's just so d@mn tone-deaf to me.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2019 07:45 PM (bDqIh)

59
White House Clarifies: Trump Moving 50 Troops Within Syria, Not Out of the Country

And so that makes collin powell look like the horses ass he is

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 07, 2019 07:46 PM (cEsBM)

60 I once shot a TV just to watch it die.

Posted by: Sloe joe at October 07, 2019 07:46 PM (nzKWW)

61 Molly is brave but the information is out there like fish in a barrel if journalists did their jobs and not act like Leftist sheep.

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2019 07:46 PM (ZCEU2)

62 53 "so trump has something else to do..."

lol

Posted by: mjc at October 07, 2019 07:46 PM (Pg+x7)

63 One guy wanted to know if he could send a porn subscription to the White House so Trump has something else to do on the toilet. Lmfao.

Remind them that Trump is married to a super model.

Posted by: 🐧 at October 07, 2019 07:47 PM (lD3vL)

64 Only productive thing I've done today is send an email off to Cathy McMorris Rogers office asking about her silence on this issue.
Posted by: Sock Monkey.... warp overload achieved at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (iDKtp)


She's been so quiet lately, like a much more intelligent Willard Romney, I forgot she existed; which is a good look for her.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 07:47 PM (y7DUB)

65 As I keep saying, I feel the exact same level of contempt for the French Davidians as they do me.

Exactly and to the finest degree.

That can be tuned up or tuned down.

Their choices.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 07, 2019 07:47 PM (GbPPJ)

66
How do we explain Romney's behavior then?

-------

1.) Trump humiliated him.

2.) He's a petty, catty little bitch with a hair helmet.

and

3.) He doesn't possess any principles beyond self-aggrandizement.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 07:47 PM (dp68O)

67
So I get a phone call from my brother, and we are talking about the fake impeachment games.

Then we talk about the Biden sellout corruption. I mention James Biden, and my brother says "the brother? He died, and Hunter married his wife".

"No, that was Joe's kids, James is Joe's brother."

Various comments back and forth about Biden corruption.

I get back online, and Ace posts this.


Great minds and all that stuff.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 07:48 PM (sy5kK)

68 I once shot a TV just to watch it die.
Posted by: Sloe joe at October 07, 2019 07:46 PM (nzKWW)


When I hear that Anthem sign -off,
I hang my head and cry ...

Posted by: Adriane the Literary Critic ... at October 07, 2019 07:48 PM (LPnfS)

69 It's just so d@mn tone-deaf to me.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2019 07:45 PM (bDqIh)


It's like the latter half of 2012!

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 07:48 PM (y7DUB)

70 But I still made Paul Ryan look like a broke bitch.

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (+7OYv)

71 I think it's pretty funny that the NeverTrump has split into two camps, one that wants to give up and the other that is ordering the officers to turn the grapeshot on the civilians

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (k81AA)

72 70 But I still made Paul Ryan look like a broke bitch.

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (+7OYv)

That you did...

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (a0IVu)

73 >>Deep State routinely provides sinecures for the faithful and their spawn.... this has been going on for decades, both in and out of the public eye.It is something that just. is. not. talked. about. To do so, is a mortal sin.

For the media, too.
DC is incestuous AF.
Big media people like Chuck Todd have spouses employed in government (remember all the ones in Obama WH staff?), in party consulting business, at non-profit organizations, as lobbyists.
They are just as corrupt as the politicians they cover, so they do this to protect their own family's cushy nepotism job(s) as they do the politicians they cover.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (bDqIh)

74 I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!

Posted by: Howard Beale at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (yAc+w)

75 Don't forget some of these guys have given years off their lives, marriages, grievous injuries and brothers to this fight.

"I can't get out of this Ponzi now... I'd invested too much in it!"

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (ykYG2)

76 Lol. One guy said you might think it would be a giant fucking clue when the only person in the entire Congress who agrees with you is Rand Paul.

They are trying to be respectful because it's CinC, but it's going off the rails.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (8ts9m)

77 There is only ONE PERSON, that can SAVE, Joe Biden from himself,



CORN POP.

Breaking: Plugs Biden and Whistle blower #4 in an exclusive LIVE CNN interview.


Posted by: Puddy Nose at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (K22Va)

78 How do we explain Romney's behavior then?

He is a Mormon, like all Mormon politicians, they are evil incarnate.

Posted by: 🐧 at October 07, 2019 07:50 PM (lD3vL)

79 I think Rudy has severely shaken the media. His wild volubility combined with his wicked cheerfulness and slicing, throwaway contempt for his interviewers is totally unnerving them. He buries them in words and then laughs in their faces. And others are catching on to the technique. This has never happened to them. Where did the hat-in-hand groveling go? Where did the fear go? Existential crisis!

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 07, 2019 07:50 PM (H8QX8)

80 Scandal, schmandel -- get back to letting us know if Donnie "Two Flushes" has unconstitutionally crapped in The White House again -- so we can Impeach!

Posted by: ShainS at October 07, 2019 07:50 PM (WqPYg)

81 ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS!!!
-- Joe "Polident Crusader" Biden

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 07:50 PM (tJHro)

82 Yeah, it was a low budget deal that Vin Diesel wanted to do. Had Katie Sackhoff in it. It was alright for being low budget. I thought the second one was okay.
Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM (J70i0)

The second one made the classic mistake of doing a bad job of building lore.

On a smaller scale, it is like Lost. Lost worked great when you had no idea what the hell was going on. Locke as a character is a perfect example. Hint, but do not show.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 07:50 PM (2B9A/)

83 I don't know about Romney, but his behavior, and Ryan's before him tell me we were fucking snookered in 2012.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 07:50 PM (FEQY4)

84 Mollie's only flaw is that she married some other guy

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 07:50 PM (KZzsI)

85 I am not worried yet, but RBG made it to the SCOTUS Session today, but Clarence Thomas didn't. He was supposed to be out with the flu.

I can just see the split the baby con-servatives like Romney and Collins making a deal, one conservative and one liberal to replace RBG and Thomas.

I am just down and cynical today.

Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 07:51 PM (+0uDE)

86 here is only ONE PERSON, that can SAVE, Joe Biden from himself,

CORN POP.


That would be one hell of a 2020 ticket. I would almost vote for that.

Posted by: 🐧 at October 07, 2019 07:51 PM (lD3vL)

87 I just wish Trump would come out and say where were you people when Obama pissed on Syria for 8 years? And then let Turkey and Russia have at it. We have no interests there - our soldier's blood has no reason to be spilled there.

Posted by: rammajamma at October 07, 2019 07:51 PM (xceTB)

88 Do us all a favor and bring up bidens corruption on liberal blogs and text/twitter media on the corruption in running interference for the bidens. I keep getting banned for bring it up on du and blog for arizona.

Posted by: raimondo at October 07, 2019 07:51 PM (Xy+FR)

89 One guy wanted to know if he could send a porn
subscription to the White House so Trump has something else to do on the
toilet. Lmfao.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM (8ts9m)

There is no reason we should have been there in the first place. Sorry the guys who had to go aren't happy about the result. But, you know, it's a volunteer force. I don't support wasting lives and treasure. However, you volunteer then you go where you are told.

Maybe they should look at the bigger issue of Washington having no strategic vision.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 07:51 PM (J70i0)

90 keep fuckin' that chicken, Marcus T.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:51 PM (ykYG2)

91 28 Trump's Biden ad ran here in So Cal as well. I was pleasantly surprised.
Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019 07:40 PM (a0IVu)

I've seen it in the Seattle market a few times now.

Yesterday during NFL broadcasts.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 07:52 PM (sy5kK)

92 Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM

They were given a shit mission no one expected them to accomplish and they were never given full support for precisely that reason. Trump is bringing them home because he's not pouring any more perfume on that pig. If they want to hate him for it, then maybe there is some truth in the lefty memes about soldiers not being the sharpest tools.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 07, 2019 07:52 PM (ju9gW)

93 And so that makes collin powell look like the horses ass he is
Posted by: Nevergiveup
-------

I once admired Powell. He has since taken deep draughts of the Koolaid.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 07:52 PM (yAc+w)

94 "Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (ykYG2"

Lol. Yeah, ponzi. Like these guys don't know what they are getting into and why. They know the mission objectives and believe in them to a man. You? You got anything substantive other than fucking wise ass anti war comments?

Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:52 PM (8ts9m)

95 The press are co-conspirators. It is known that Hunter Biden was receiving at least 50k per month from an Ukrainian energy company who was being investigated. What is unknown is exactly what Hunter Biden did for that big paycheck.

It is known that Joe Biden threatened to hold back
aid unless the prosecutor who happened to be investigating Hunter's employer was fired.

It is now also known that Joe Biden lied when he said he never discussed Hunter's employer since they all played golf together.

The MSM is spinning harder than a pinwheel in a Hurricane .

Lastly , Rand Paul can eat a bag of dicks.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 07:53 PM (2DOZq)

96 Mollie H is a treasure.

Posted by: Emmie at October 07, 2019 07:53 PM (i/wJA)

97 46
Deep State routinely provides sinecures for the faithful and their
spawn.... this has been going on for decades, both in and out of the
public eye.It is something that just. is. not. talked. about. To do so,
is a mortal sin.

Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (90T4r)
---
Their problem is that the money isn't infinite.

The Clintons lost their meal ticket. Worse, they owe a lot of people who paid big money for favors they can't grant.

This is part of the fury right now - they are having to go on a diet for the first time, ever.

This is also why the Strzok and co. are looking to cut deals because they know that not *everyone* will be taken care of. Too many people clamoring for cover. Some will be left exposed.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 07:53 PM (cfSRQ)

98 the GOP has always (well, since 2000) had it's Hunstman caucus. Folks that believe the leftist line that the GOP is composed of about 32 inbred hicks voting out of South Carolina's appalachians.

So, we hate science, not that we disagree with their interpretation of the data. Plus, you know, science demands we teach hard atheism in public schools. etc etc.

And of course, we must be polite above all else. It saddens Romney that the GOP failed to apologize and surrender at an instant when trump, he fights.

plus, since every white person is a potential WN, the white presence in the GOP is super fucking troubling. Better to be like the left with their black lives cop assassins and muslim monsters.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 07:53 PM (FEQY4)

99 ""But, but, Biden's other son Beau tragically died of cancer (which has never happened to any family member ever -- so we have to give him a pass here ..." -- Unnamed Fox News Cucks

Posted by: ShainS at October 07, 2019 07:53 PM (WqPYg)

100 did you see Shrub Bush sitting & yucking it up with Ellen Degenerate & Cryboys game ?? Things I never thought I would say "I thought Didn't Like Bush"

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 07, 2019 07:54 PM (BqBId)

101 Beau Biden was probably the only decent Biden.

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019 07:54 PM (a0IVu)

102 53 ... Lmfao.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM (8ts9m)
76 Lol.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (8ts9m)
94 ... Lol. ...
Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:52 PM (8ts9m


Three comments. In each of them you laugh at your own comments.

Concern troll.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:54 PM (ykYG2)

103 I really don't think TDS has any reasoning, it's just a mental illness

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2019 07:54 PM (ZCEU2)

104 How do you say, "golden shower," in Ukranian?

Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2019 07:54 PM (kLDv+)

105 There is only ONE PERSON, that can SAVE, Joe Biden from himself, ...
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Barack will come...

Posted by: Joey Biden, Barry's BFF at October 07, 2019 07:55 PM (yAc+w)

106 Yeah. Ok. We should never have been there taking out ISIS and the other assholes who squirted out of Iraq and formed up. You know because they aren't a threat to us, our citizens and our interests, said nobody ever.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:55 PM (8ts9m)

107 Maybe they should look at the bigger issue of Washington having no strategic vision.

Globalism and the destruction of Western Civilization

Posted by: 🐧 at October 07, 2019 07:55 PM (lD3vL)

108 There's also Corporate/ Government Incest to consider.... at a certain level, the distinction between Government and Corporations disappears.... at the level of Boards of Directors... ultimately, they are All One.... there is a Name for this.

Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2019 07:55 PM (90T4r)

109 Their problem is that the money isn't infinite.

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You're obviously not familiar with The U.S. Congress, comrade. /

Posted by: ShainS at October 07, 2019 07:56 PM (WqPYg)

110 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 07:52 PM (yAc+w)
*******
Nah he is like Mike Tomlin HC of the Steelers, he got his Job/s by the color of his skin, not his ability. Schwarzkopf saw his war plan for the 1 Iraq war Laughed & Tore it up

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 07, 2019 07:56 PM (BqBId)

111 TEA PARTY???? Those people were all racists who shopped at WALMART.

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 07:56 PM (dMrJJ)

112 So what would happen if you substituted Donald Trump JR. for Hunter Biden in these stories....

Posted by: Maxine wig hat Watters at October 07, 2019 07:57 PM (O2RFr)

113 47 Only productive thing I've done today is send an email off to Cathy McMorris Rogers office asking about her silence on this issue.
Posted by: Sock Monkey.... warp overload achieved at October 07, 2019 07:43 PM (iDKtp)

Unfortunately, my rep is Adam Smith - Communist - WA

An email would be wasting electrons.

He truly hates regular Americans that were born here and work for a living.

But illegals that don't speak English and most will still be on government welfare years from now? Adam's sweet spot.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 07:57 PM (sy5kK)

114 I really don't think TDS has any reasoning, it's just a mental illness
Posted by: Skip
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It's a pathology. Nothing can undo it aside from some life-changing experience, and even that may not suffice.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 07:57 PM (yAc+w)

115 Lollol. Yeah, I'm a concern troll. Even though I've been posting here forever. But you keep going with that while searching for an actual substantive argument.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:57 PM (8ts9m)

116 95
The press are co-conspirators.


Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 07:53 PM (2DOZq)

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Yes, but not in the way you mean.

A lot of reporters are going to get caught up in this web. They paid agents and trafficked in classified information. We've had hints of this before but no names were named.

A big part of why reporters are being even more blindly partisan than usual is that they are personally at risk. If they can get Trump impeached, they might escape.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 07:57 PM (cfSRQ)

117 How do we explain Romney's behavior then?

K.I.S.S. He is an asshole.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2019 07:57 PM (Z+IKu)

118 She's been so quiet lately, like a much more intelligent Willard Romney, I forgot she existed; which is a good look for her.
Posted by: Captain Hate

Finger in the damn wind. Essentially what I said in my email. Show some damn courage and principles. Plan on attending one of her next town hall meetings.

Posted by: Sock Monkey.... warp overload achieved at October 07, 2019 07:57 PM (iDKtp)

119 The comments here are nuts - we finally have a guy that just isn't going to send our kids like cord wood to be stacked in fuckall places and people are arguing about whether he is a patriot or not. You people have lost your goddam minds, looking at you Hobo and Marcus - Syria doesn't matter, let God sort it out.

Posted by: rammajamma at October 07, 2019 07:58 PM (xceTB)

120 Don't forget: Romney's constituents were the ones who thought egg McMuffin would be president because he would win UT, the EC would tie and the House would vote him as the unity candidate.

So when you say, they can't be that stupid, they have a solid track record of deep-end stupid

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at October 07, 2019 07:58 PM (k81AA)

121 Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:44 PM (8ts9m)
76 Lol.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:49 PM (8ts9m)
94 ... Lol. ...
Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 07:52 PM (8ts9m

Three comments. In each of them you laugh at your own comments.

Concern troll.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at

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seminar troller. lol. sad.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 07:58 PM (FEQY4)

122
Beau Biden was probably the only decent Biden.
Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019

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It's my only spot of sympathy for Biden. Beau was a politician, so probably a scumbag, but he was by all outward appearances, a hard working, decent enough (for a politician) guy.

Joe lost his good son, and got to keep the recidivist crackhead washout who fucks his SiL while his brother is dying.

That has to sting. A whole lot.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 07:58 PM (dp68O)

123 And now you know why they are so willing to project that Team Trump are statist thugs willing overlook evil - because that is what they are.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 07:58 PM (1g7ch)

124 Long day, time to nargle the garthok.

Posted by: Utility muffin at October 07, 2019 07:58 PM (ldmQR)

125 Their desperation is palpable.I like that.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Fall In To Frantic Frenzies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 07, 2019 07:58 PM (iGFsx)

126 "58 How do we explain Romney's behavior then?

Is this all because of his and his son's Solamere company's business with China, or does this tool actually believe there are people who will see him as the perfect replacement for Trump, taking the brave stand on impeachment?

It's just so d@mn tone-deaf to me."

It's all those things. Also, Romney is a managerial class sociopath.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 07, 2019 07:58 PM (iw59Q)

127 Chuck Todd is an asshole, or a pussy, or trans-something
*****

behold, the power of AND

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 07, 2019 07:59 PM (h1jJh)

128 "You got anything substantive other than fucking wise ass anti war comments?" -- Marcus T

I don't need any. And you personally don't deserve any, but I'll offer a defence for people here who do :

The default stance to war should be, "don't". For war there needs to be a solid argument FOR it, which is why America's Constitution puts that onto the Senate, supposedly the senior deliberative body here.

"But we've already sunk so much into this" is a fallacy, the sunk cost fallacy. "But all the other... er, Senators... other than Rand Paul disagree!" is also a fallacy, in this case the bandwagon fallacy.

Go do a 'lol' or a 'rofl' at that, troll.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 07:59 PM (ykYG2)

129 I still have that shit midas touch!

Posted by: Corruptin' Uncle Joe Biden at October 07, 2019 07:59 PM (EgshT)

130 The media isn't just burying the story, they're chopping up the body and covering it in lime.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 07, 2019 08:00 PM (qAR6u)

131 58 How do we explain Romney's behavior then?

Is this all because of his and his son's Solamere company's business with China, or




wait! whut?

another DC politician's kid making money from Chinese payola?

*censored*

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:01 PM (sy5kK)

132 Everyone thought Hillary was going to win. None of this would have come out. The defense is to ignore it, like nothing ever happened. The GOP is happy to go along with that cause they don't want anyone to find out how much their shit stinks too.

#two decades

Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2019 08:01 PM (Tnijr)

133 My namesake, and my sons' namesake was KIA and buried in DAMASCUS SYRIA, Oct 1918.

I have his UK medal of honor, in the very room that I am sitting.

Syria is EXACTLY a shit hole. We have NO business there now.

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 08:01 PM (dMrJJ)

134 There are ZERO ways to do anything meaningful in Syria without a) a couple of hundred thousand troops, b) starting a war with Russa, Iran or both, and c) sending even more refugees elsewhere.

You'd think some of the brilliant asshats screaming about Trump would have learned something from Libya, Syria, and Iraq during TFG.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (JCrfD)

135 The media isn't just burying the story, they're chopping up the body and covering it in lime.
Posted by: kbdabear at October 07, 2019 08:00 PM (qAR6u)

(Bangs on car trunk lid) Let me outta here!

Posted by: Zombie Billy Batts at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (Z+IKu)

136 YD : yeah. When I heard Beau had health issues I looked up his career. It was actually pretty good, excellent for a DE Democrat. I mourned his passing.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (ykYG2)

137 122
Beau Biden was probably the only decent Biden.
Posted by: IC at October 07, 2019

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It's my only spot of sympathy for Biden. Beau was a politician, so probably a scumbag, but he was by all outward appearances, a hard working, decent enough (for a politician) guy.

Joe lost his good son, and got to keep the recidivist crackhead washout who fucks his SiL while his brother is dying.

That has to sting. A whole lot.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 07:58 PM (dp68O)

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Sonny died, Michael was aborted, and only Fredo remains to take over the Family Business.

Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (+0uDE)

138 114
I really don't think TDS has any reasoning, it's just a mental illness

Posted by: Skip

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It's a pathology. Nothing can undo it aside from some life-changing experience, and even that may not suffice.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 07:57 PM (yAc+w)

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No, it's called bribery.

Follow the money. Jonah Goldberg's "principles" are paid for by corporatists. His six-figure "chair" depends on him doing what his master likes.

Trump threatens that.

We know that National Review takes Google's money and also that they were willing to take paid programming from Jeffrey Fcvking Epstein.

They are whores. They call themselves "courtesans," but they're whores.

They don't like the term and try to avoid mentioning it, and they overcompensate like crazy.

David French's whole "holier-than-thou" act is an effort to convince himself he's not just another carnival barker.

Goldberg used to enjoy his gig because he wasn't forced to smell the glove much. Now it's basically strapped on his face. No wonder he hangs out in bars on weeknights.

And Kevin Williamson has always had an inferiority complex the size of a trailer park. The man's sexual insecurities could probably power Buffalo if he ever tried to work through them on a bicycle.

None of these people truly believe what they say. They might have during the Bush era, but now the cruel hand of fate is making them bark for their dinner in ways they never imagined.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (cfSRQ)

139 1st - Pitch Black, great, a sci-fi horror story as good as Alien or Predator
2nd - Chronicles of Riddick - SUK!!! they forgot what made the original good.
3rd: an almost remake of the first, pretty good.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (V2Yro)

140 119 The comments here are nuts - we finally have a guy that just isn't going to send our kids like cord wood to be stacked in fuckall places and people are arguing about whether he is a patriot or not. You people have lost your goddam minds, looking at you Hobo and Marcus - Syria doesn't matter, let God sort it out

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right, but this has been part of the anti-trump script for 3 years.

if he criticizes an ally, he's unpat because our allies are beyond reproach.

if he criticizes the intelligence communities that tried to use FISA courts to fuck him, he's unpat because our 17 US intelligence agencies are beyond reproach.

if he tries to make peace, he's unPat because no one has ever been nice to our enemies before, even if every previous admin has kissed Putin's ass.

if he fights in syria, bad, if he withdraws from syria, bad.

on and on. who fucking cares. it's not working. not even the MSNBC cray cray fuckwad left can keep up.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (FEQY4)

141
Corrupt bastards.

We should just combine Utah and Delaware, and call the state "New China".

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (sy5kK)

142 5) GOP voters at this point would be ready to utterly destroy any GOP politician who not only did nothing in response to the previous attempts to unseat the Republican president, but followed it up by joining the latest attempt.

That can't be, the French Davidians are assuring their friends on the Left that voters are repulsed by Trump and his fans, and once Trump is driven out they'll drive the rebels out along with him, bringing back the "reasonable" GOP

Posted by: kbdabear at October 07, 2019 08:03 PM (qAR6u)

143 134 There are ZERO ways to do anything meaningful in Syria without a) a couple of hundred thousand troops, b) starting a war with Russa, Iran or both, and c) sending even more refugees elsewhere.

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if you follow wictor whatshis name, the shit that we pulled in sryia damn well pushed the line into war with russia but we glided that path pretty well, since ISIS is gone. But Syria is fucking crazy and I don't even think anyone really understands good/bad in that area.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:04 PM (FEQY4)

144 No, it's called bribery.
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I speak to the street-level Left/Prog/Lib/Dem. Their brains have been altered.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 08:04 PM (yAc+w)

145 "Beau was a politician, so probably a scumbag, but he was by all outward appearances, a hard working, decent enough (for a politician) guy."

All politicians are scum. There is something in them that wants to rule other people. The worse ones are evil.

Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2019 08:04 PM (Tnijr)

146 worst

Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2019 08:04 PM (Tnijr)

147 I suspect a lot of internationalists want American soldiers to stay in harms way in the hopes that a bunch of them will get killed, forcing Trump to move a lot of soldiers back in there, to respond.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:05 PM (V2Yro)

148 Unfortunately, my rep is Adam Smith - Communist - WA

At least it's obvious where he stands. What's worse a true blue schmuck Dem or a gutless GOP?

Posted by: Sock Monkey.... warp overload achieved at October 07, 2019 08:05 PM (iDKtp)

149 "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1984



wish I was original enough to pull out that one, but I just copied it as the first comment of the Trump-Biden Ukraine corruption ad on YouTube.


at least I stole it for everyone here, so there's that anyway.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:05 PM (sy5kK)

150 Been watching a Glenn Beck (I know, I know) youtube about Ukraine. [title = Ukraine, The Democrat's Russia.]

Actually pretty good considering how complex the topic is. Love the Columbo reference.

If I heard him correctly, he says the Ukraine disappeared about $7 billion in U.S. taxpayer's money while working with the Obama Administration while Biden was the point man. The kickback on that would definitely be a pretty good amount of money to spread across the DNC. Think Schiff and Pelosi would have gotten their cut?

Posted by: jc at October 07, 2019 08:05 PM (PuMKG)

151 The media isn't just burying the story, they're chopping up the body and covering it in lime.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 07, 2019 08:00 PM (qAR6u)

(Bangs on car trunk lid) Let me outta here!

Posted by: Zombie Billy Batts at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (Z+IKu)

As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a GOP elite analyst....

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at October 07, 2019 08:06 PM (qAR6u)

152 Miss Lindsey's gone full McCain over the Syria withdrawal.


When Nikki Haley is Tweet-agreeing with you, you need to evaluate your TDS levels.

Posted by: mikeyG at October 07, 2019 08:06 PM (/Sb0s)

153 Those who have been in Congress the longest, those who are screaming the loudest for impeachment, those Rino's staying silent (or not , Romney).....look deep into the "money" and you will probably see why they are running this coup. Always did wonder how they get elected and are broke for the first decade and then are worth Millions. I am completely suspect of all politicians now, irregardless of their party affiliation. Term Limits are an undeniable necessity folks.

Posted by: StellasTwoCents at October 07, 2019 08:06 PM (KSBDE)

154 "What's worse a true blue schmuck Dem or a gutless GOP?"

What's worse, pond scum or bathroom grout scum? Hard to decide, hmmm?

Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2019 08:07 PM (Tnijr)

155 Look I criticized the last president and the guy before him because I had material arguments. I'm gonna call Trump our the same way. The difference is all of a sudden today that makes you disloyal or something. Fuck that. It means you are thinking.

By the way, The White House is already issuing clarifications on the presidents dumb ass Tweets by letting people know we're not pulling out, we're not gonna let Turkey invade and attack the Kurds, etc. think that's coincidental or maybe the president is hearing it from every angle?

Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 08:07 PM (8ts9m)

156 148 Unfortunately, my rep is Adam Smith - Communist - WA

At least it's obvious where he stands. What's worse a true blue schmuck Dem or a gutless GOP?
Posted by: Sock Monkey.... warp overload achieved at October 07, 2019 08:05 PM (iDKtp)

A decade ago, this asswipe was all for the little guy, the working guy, the downtrodden. Now he is a Communist mega-government stooge.

He is a liar down to the marrow in his bones.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:07 PM (sy5kK)

157 139
1st - Pitch Black, great, a sci-fi horror story as good as Alien or Predator

2nd - Chronicles of Riddick - SUK!!! they forgot what made the original good.

3rd: an almost remake of the first, pretty good.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (V2Yro)

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You have it exactly backwards.

Pitch Black was packed with plot holes. The remake (movie 3) was okay.

Chronicles of Riddick is one of the best space-fantasy movies in a very long time. Evocative, original, and fun. Plus, it's got some fun lines.

You keep what you kill.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:07 PM (cfSRQ)

158
Look, there's a reason the US hasn't been able to win a war in 75 years. And that's the reason I oppose wars. We can't win them until we destroy the Main Enemy who defeats us in every engagement - the American Democrat Party.

As long as they are involved in our politics, every one of our enemies knows they have a 100% chance of success, so long as they are patient. And they are.

Until we crush the Left at home, we are doomed abroad, and ground wars are nothing more than a pointless waste of our finest patriots.

/rant off

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 08:07 PM (dp68O)

159 Unfortunately, my rep is Adam Smith - Communist - WA
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Adam Smith (☭ WA

Remove the spaces-> & # 9773;

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 08:08 PM (yAc+w)

160 Beau Biden had a few skeletons in his past, I have forgotten exactly but he was another chip off the old block.

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2019 08:09 PM (ZCEU2)

161 You people have lost your goddam minds, looking at you Hobo and Marcus - Syria doesn't matter, let God sort it out."

I wouldn't be so harsh, becasue I remember when I used to believe the US needed to use our power to straighten that place out. At one time, I really believed we could do it.

Now I know we cannot. No matter what we do, it will fail in one way or another. It's like the end of the movie War Games - the only way to win is not to play. So, some people still sincerely and devoutly believe, I remember what that felt like. They're wrong, but not wicked. The ones who are wicked are the political power players who want troops to stay there because they will personally profit from it, and most of those involved in the military industrial political complex will.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:09 PM (V2Yro)

162 Some of you need to read the mission objectives in Syria. We are not there to permanently hold territory and we are not there indefinitely.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 08:09 PM (8ts9m)

163 we're not gonna let Turkey invade and attack the Kurds,

So why do you love Kurds more than Americans?

Just curious.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:09 PM (lD3vL)

164
Miss Lindsey's gone full McCain over the Syria withdrawal.

Mark Levin, too.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 08:09 PM (aKsyK)

165 Oops. Hmm. Let's try again

Adam Smith (☭) WA

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 08:10 PM (yAc+w)

166 Whoa... I didn't know there was a third Biden boy. 

Well, if he dies, at least Hunter's got another freaky-deaky Levirate marriage lined up.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 07:38 PM 

********

The other Biden is the crackheads uncle... but I think his Aunt would be fair game

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 07, 2019 08:10 PM (flINI)

167 rammajamma, I'm on your side on this one. #128. Although maybe I hadn't made that clearer at the time you posted . . .

As for whether I've lost my mind, "that's between me and my mind"

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:10 PM (ykYG2)

168 Tucker is dead-on.


CNN has been pumping up the Kurds all day long.

Not worth a drop of American blood.

Posted by: mikeyG at October 07, 2019 08:10 PM (/Sb0s)

169 "147 I suspect a lot of internationalists want American soldiers to stay in harms way in the hopes that a bunch of them will get killed, forcing Trump to move a lot of soldiers back in there, to respond.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:05 PM (V2Yro) "



Oh hell yes, this.

The trenches / poppy fields of ww1 were an important first step in the decline of British culture and power.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 07, 2019 08:10 PM (wscsn)

170 Oh, geeze. Poofter creep on TuCar.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 08:11 PM (yAc+w)

171 worst

With a nice German mustard.

Posted by: Puddy Nose at October 07, 2019 08:11 PM (K22Va)

172
By the way, The White House is already issuing
clarifications on the presidents dumb ass Tweets by letting people know
we're not pulling out, we're not gonna let Turkey invade and attack the
Kurds, etc. think that's coincidental or maybe the president is hearing
it from every angle?

Posted by: Marcus T at October 07, 2019 08:07 PM (8ts9m)

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Well, the War Industrial Complex is pretty powerful.

I doubt people in flyover country give two shits about the Kurds.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:11 PM (cfSRQ)

173 we're not gonna let Turkey invade and attack the Kurds

Fuck the Turks and Kurds.

Posted by: mikeyG at October 07, 2019 08:11 PM (/Sb0s)

174 3m
Some might say Romney is too.

Daily Caller @DailyCaller
Romney Says 'America Is An Unreliable Ally' After Trump Pulls Troops Out Of Syria

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 07, 2019 08:11 PM (BqBId)

175 I watched the start of Chris Hayes's MSNBC show to try see what the crazies are selling tonight. Could only take a few minutes. Hayes said Trump issued some kind of Ukraine-related instructions to his "hand-picked" ambassador to the EU, implying that's a horrible situation. Jeebus Christopher! Yeah, how dare Trump pick an ambassador he believes will do a good job for him! Trump should pick names from a jar, or better yet, have the Democrats and their pals, the members of the Council on Foreign Relations, tell him who should be ambassadors!

Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2019 08:11 PM (AMIL/)

176 So the NeverTrumpers are getting their bowels in an uproar because Trump isn't pledging 100,000 troops into the Syrian shithole that we'd be stuck in for years?

And they think "BUT THE KURDS" will finally turn Americans against Trump because they believe in these police actions?

Fuck all this. If anybody in Congress wants troops sent over, they can DECLARE WAR, that's actually Congress' job.
And once they declare it, bring the draft back, NO college deferments, no "conscientious objector" deferments.

See how much all of America supports sending us into these savage shitholes then.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 07, 2019 08:12 PM (qAR6u)

177 The reason we cannot "win" a war in Syria, no matter how many troops we put in there, is that there are at least 7 sides to that war, probably more, and their allegiances and alliances all change constantly. We gotta walk away.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:12 PM (V2Yro)

178 Brit Hume tweeted the top part DAMNIT

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 07, 2019 08:12 PM (BqBId)

179 >>As for whether I've lost my mind, "that's between me and my mind"

That's what your mind wants you to think.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2019 08:12 PM (ZLI7S)

180 wow du banned 'raimondo'. I think xe hates Joe Bidet.

Posted by: kallisto at October 07, 2019 08:12 PM (YxHpp)

181 There's also Corporate/ Government Incest to consider.... at a certain level, the distinction between Government and Corporations disappears.... at the level of Boards of Directors... ultimately, they are All One.... there is a Name for this.
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2019 07:55 PM (90T4r)


Don't tell Antifa.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 08:12 PM (1g7ch)

182
Trump is pulling out of Syria, because he knows he will be needing assets to deal with China soon.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:12 PM (sy5kK)

183 I'd like to see Trump take on Willard's international ties too, but why not Hillary?

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2019 08:12 PM (U7k5w)

184 Romney Says 'America Is An Unreliable Ally'

I said Romney was an Unreliable Ally when he bent over and let Obama kick his bitch-ass.

Posted by: mikeyG at October 07, 2019 08:13 PM (/Sb0s)

185 Regarding Syria I will quote my son in law, deployed 5 times.


" Not our monkeys, not our circus"

Posted by: Sock Monkey.... warp overload achieved at October 07, 2019 08:13 PM (iDKtp)

186 Listening to Baier and those other leftists spinning their TDS bullshit to shut down Ms Mollie makes my blood boil.

Posted by: Ukranian Masseuse at October 07, 2019 08:13 PM (t/7gr)

187 Syria is EXACTLY a shit hole. We have NO business there now.
Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 08:01 PM (dMrJJ)

Parts of it can be pretty nice after a little work.

Posted by: Looks at Golan Heights at October 07, 2019 08:13 PM (Vy7tf)

188 Trump promised to get us out of foreign entanglements. I don't see a downside. Most of those people hate us and there is nothing you can do to change that other than leave them the fuck alone.

Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2019 08:13 PM (Tnijr)

189
The other Biden is the crackheads uncle... but I think his Aunt would be fair game
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 07, 2019 08:10 PM (flINI)

------

Yeah... I figured that out. Apparently I suck at reading.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 08:13 PM (dp68O)

190 K.I.S.S. He is an asshole.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2019 07:57 PM (Z+IKu)

Maybe, but "Destroyer" is a great album

Posted by: Josephistan at October 07, 2019 08:14 PM (Izzlo)

191 CNN has been pumping up the Kurds all day long.

Not worth a drop of American blood.


Posted by: mikeyG at October 07, 2019 08:10 PM (/Sb0s)

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Funny how Trump's "dumbass tweets" completely exposed the degree to which Official Washington and the Democrats are willing to spend American lives and treasure for things that no one ever voted on.

When did Congress authorize a War for Kurdish Independence?

By the way, isn't it funny how they want Trump impeached, but also want him to keep our armies engaged 7,000 miles away.

Yep, sure is dumb to get all that out in the open. What a moron.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:14 PM (cfSRQ)

192 Trump probably has a better intel org than I do.

Posted by: klaftern at October 07, 2019 08:14 PM (RuIsu)

193 As to Congress and the Syrian situation - we cannot have 535 Secretaries of State.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:14 PM (V2Yro)

194 If you have to work yourself into pretzel just to explain the policy of fighting in Syria its time to get the fuck out...

Posted by: Pliney at October 07, 2019 08:14 PM (nzKWW)

195 Trump promised to get us out of foreign entanglements. I don't see a
downside. Most of those people hate us and there is nothing you can do
to change that other than leave them the fuck alone.


Word.

Posted by: 18 years in Afghanistan at October 07, 2019 08:14 PM (/Sb0s)

196 177: I agree, and to those pointing out the Armenian Genocide, Kurdish hand weren't precisely clean either.

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (U7k5w)

197 You guys act like this is Vietnam. We've lost way more people to training accidents than we have in combat in the last ten years. I guarantee you that will change though if we let the region blow up by abandoning it .

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (2DOZq)

198


The MFM is bleating that Trump asked Ukraine to "get dirt on Biden". As if he wanted them to make something up out of thin air. He asked them about an investigation that had been going on. The MFM refuses to talk about that investigation or it lies by saying it found nothing on Biden. There isn't even a hint of honesty in anything the MFM does

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (YKkIU)

199 165 Oops. Hmm. Let's try again



That's him!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (sy5kK)

200 I love Mollie. All class, smart, eminently sensible, and fearless to boot.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (9hauA)

201 193
As to Congress and the Syrian situation - we cannot have 535 Secretaries of State.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:14 PM (V2Yro)

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Trump should demand that Congress pass an Authorization for Military Force in Syria, or he'll pull out.

Watch heads explode.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (cfSRQ)

202 Seems like every politician's family is in "the family business." If they're not getting cushy jobs or meaningless seats on corporate boards, they're making money through insider trading. Or doing all three, if they're feeling ambitious.

Posted by: pookysgirl, storming the bureaucratic battlements at October 07, 2019 08:16 PM (XKZwp)

203 You'd think some of the brilliant asshats screaming
about Trump would have learned something from Libya, Syria, and Iraq
during TFG.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM (JCrfD)

The first Gulf War resulted in victory disease. It led to Washington believing they were masters of the planet. It's driven policy for the past 25 years.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:16 PM (J70i0)

204 Not worth a drop of American blood.
Posted by: mikeyG at October 07, 2019 08:10 PM (/Sb0s)

And Americans know it. This isn't 2001 anymore. We're done with this shit. Trump understands and he's got the people behind him.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 07, 2019 08:16 PM (H8QX8)

205 5) GOP voters at this point would be ready to utterly destroy any GOP politician who not only did nothing in response to the previous attempts to unseat the Republican president, but followed it up by joining the latest attempt.

Political suicide by any Republican who does. I think Mitt is a one term Senator now over this.

The voters no longer give a damn about the GOP "majority" and will happily live with a Dem for 2 years to punish an idiot.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 07, 2019 08:16 PM (PHotS)

206 155 - dumb ass Tweets

Trump's Tweets drive the daily narrative. He is not stupid and he certainly isn't sitting around with nothing better to do other than have fun on Twitter.
He works harder and longer each day than anyone gives him credit for.

He's knocking what he wants off the front page and the nightly news, replacing it, and he knows that no matter how he states a position, someone else in his admin will be clarifying for the media for the next days/weeks. Trump say black, media reports white.



Posted by: Alice McD at October 07, 2019 08:16 PM (fWdPl)

207 How do we explain Romney's behavior then?



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1.) Trump humiliated him.



2.) He's a petty, catty little bitch with a hair helmet.



and



3.) He doesn't possess any principles beyond self-aggrandizement.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 07:47 PM (dp68O)



Remember when Trump said he was thinking about making him Secretary of State. Mr. Principals had no problem running hat in hand to the man he claims is soooooo awful to beg for that job

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 08:17 PM (YKkIU)

208 Romney Says 'America Is An Unreliable Ally' After Trump Pulls Troops Out Of Syria

The US Government is an unreliable government to the inhabitants of North America.

Romney pretends that our State Department is the epitome of integrity and honesty (e.g. Oil For Food Program) and doesn't care a bit that most of "America" government is trying to burn down the country, stomp out Western Civilization and eradicate the Constitution and the culture that values it.

While my government is destroying everything of value to me, Romney worries that a bunch of goat herders who have done absolutely nothing for us but cost us blood and treasure are somehow going to be offended because we don't continue this insanely one-sided relationship in the manner the MIC sees fit.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:17 PM (lD3vL)

209 As has been said ad nauseum, Turkey is a NATO country, the Syria conflict was instigated by the SCOAMF, if the mission is necessary and vital EU NATA countries can scrounge up the troops from their 1.5 million man army that sits closer to Syria than NY does to Florida.

Maybe it's just me,
maybe I'm the problem, but unending expenditures of American blood and
treasure to satisfy the Globalist/MIC's bloodlust and coffers harshes my
mellow.

I'm going to borrow a Stephen Crowder bit for all of the we must not pull our troops anywhere ever crowd.


I'm against unending pointless expenditure's of American Blood and Treasure, change my mind!

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 08:17 PM (tJHro)

210 Anyone who says Trump's tweets are "dumb ass" really hasn't been paying attention.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 07, 2019 08:17 PM (H8QX8)

211 "reason we cannot "win" a war in Syria, no matter how many troops we put in there, is that there are at least 7 sides to that war, probably more, and their allegiances and alliances all change constantly."

See also: the Crusades.

The Western Europeans and the Papacy sunk a sh!t ton of resources to keep a few castles up and down Palestine. And what did we get out of it? A few castles up and down Palestine (and, er... Constantinople... d'oh).

We got as far as we did because the Moslem states were dysfunctional. But eventually the Crusaders sided with the wrong side (the Mongols, in that case) and united all the Moslems against them. So much for the Crusade.

Better to have not bothered in the first place, and to have concentrated on the Crusade in Europe. That side of it actually got Sicily and Lisbon back.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (ykYG2)

212 All this handwringing over "Kurd betrayal"

Did they wring their hands when Afghan allies who risked their lives and their families lives to aid us were hung out to dry by Obama when they needed refuge?

Posted by: kbdabear at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (qAR6u)

213 Romney is protecting Romney assets.

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (U7k5w)

214 There is so much more to the story.

Hunter Biden's "business partner" in Ukraine was Devon Archer. They each received $83,000 per month from Burisma, not $50k as often reported.

How is this known? Court documents. Hunter's partner Devon Archer? Why yes.

"ROBERT KHUZAMI, Attorney for the United States, Acting Under Authority Conferred by 28 U.S.C. § 515, announced that JOHN GALANIS, a/k/a “Yanni,” DEVON ARCHER, and BEVAN COONEY were each convicted today of conspiracy to commit securities fraud and securities fraud, following a five and half week trial before U.S. District Judge Ronnie Abrams.

Mr. Khuzami said: “As a unanimous jury swiftly found, these defendants orchestrated a highly complex scheme to defraud a Native American community and multiple pension funds, all to corruptly bankroll their own personal and business interests."

Posted by: Miklos, the truth is out there at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (QzkSJ)

215 Mitt Romney is Al Gore with less forced handjobs and patchouli.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (4VGhz)

216 197 You guys act like this is Vietnam. We've lost way more people to training accidents than we have in combat in the last ten years. I guarantee you that will change though if we let the region blow up by abandoning it .
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (2DOZq)

No one is talking about pulling out of the Region. They're talking about Eastern Syria, which is a no-man's land. Also, I've seen maps from Turkey in which they are saying they only intend to create a 15 mile buffer zone along the Turkish border. Of course, maybe they're lying - but if they aren't (and I don't think they have the ability to take more) then this is a whole lot of sound and fury about nothing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (V2Yro)

217 To hell with the mideast, howzabout we secure our border with Mehico first? That's a real and present problem, not what goes on half a planet away.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivismisruin at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (HaL55)

218 175 I watched the start of Chris Hayes's MSNBC show to try see what the crazies are selling tonight. Could only take a few minutes. Hayes said Trump issued some kind of Ukraine-related instructions to his "hand-picked" ambassador to the EU,
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2019 08:11 PM (AMIL/)

What other kind are there? Foot-picked?

Posted by: chique d'afrique at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (9hauA)

219 Until we crush the Left at home, we are doomed abroad, and ground wars are nothing more than a pointless waste of our finest patriots.
/rant off
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 08:07 PM (dp68O)

Absolutely correct!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2019 08:19 PM (Z+IKu)

220 197
You guys act like this is Vietnam. We've lost way more people to
training accidents than we have in combat in the last ten years. I
guarantee you that will change though if we let the region blow up by
abandoning it .

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (2DOZq)

---
And more people to suicides than both of those combined.

That's not healthy. Our elite units are utterly burned out. Endless war without hope of victory takes a toll on people and equipment.

And to what end? What is the end state? You say "abandon" a region - is it ours? Do we now own it?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:19 PM (cfSRQ)

221 You guys act like this is Vietnam. We've lost way
more people to training accidents than we have in combat in the last ten
years. I guarantee you that will change though if we let the region
blow up by abandoning it .

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (2DOZq)

Let it blow up. What do we care? We don't need the oil. What is our strategic interest in the region?

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:19 PM (J70i0)

222 "You guys act like this is Vietnam."

No it's not like Viet Nam. Is this supposed to be some humanitarian mission?

Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2019 08:19 PM (Tnijr)

223 > I said Romney was an Unreliable Ally when he bent over and let Obama kick his bitch-ass.

I'm just amazed that he has any kind of political career whatsoever after throwing a freakin' presidential election.

The Deep State's gotta go.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 07, 2019 08:20 PM (vA4O3)

224 >>then this is a whole lot of sound and fury about nothing.

Isn't this really the story of the last 3 years?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2019 08:20 PM (ZLI7S)

225 James Biden's daughter is a feisty piece of work also

steal 100K with a credit card and no jail time

takes a swing at a cop in NYC, nothing

also a druggie

great fam there Joe 8 Track

Posted by: REDACTED at October 07, 2019 08:20 PM (AQBtr)

226 Tucker had a video cut dumb scrunt smirking how Pelosi could arrange things to impeach both Trump and Pence to become President!

I think the SoS with a particular skill set would find with the SOTH slot empty as the verdict is called would be next in line.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 08:20 PM (1g7ch)

227 Remember when Trump said he was thinking about making him Secretary of State. Mr. Principals had no problem running hat in hand to the man he claims is soooooo awful to beg for that job
Posted by: Th

Don't forget he sought and received the horrible Trump's endorsement for his senate run.

Romney is trash.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at October 07, 2019 08:21 PM (9hauA)

228 I'm not sure, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a condition of the "peace talks" with the Taliban handing them the names of those who aided us?

Posted by: kbdabear at October 07, 2019 08:21 PM (qAR6u)

229 Agreed with kbdabear. Trump should tweet out a quote from the Constitution excerpting the Senate's duty to declare war. Call Romney's bluff.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:21 PM (ykYG2)

230 CNN has been pumping up the Kurds all day long.

Well, that right there outta tell us something.

Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at October 07, 2019 08:21 PM (EgshT)

231

It has already been said, but this Whistleblower stuff is complete nonsense in every possible way. Yet the clownshow continues to push it with a false narrative.

The big scoop was Trump said bad things, illegal things, in a conversation with the president of Ukraine. Oh, if you could only hear what we heard! It was horrible, Trump sold out the USA!, they droned on.

The smear merchants started working overtime.

So, Trump de-classified the entire conversation and made it public!

There is zero, nada, nicht, nyet in it about Trump doing anything wrong. In fact, he represents US interests well in the conversation.

So the Leftie press and Democrats (but I repeat myself) scream even more about more whistleblowers, and the topic is still the horrible conversation with the Ukraine prez.

The conversation that has been public for about 5 days now.

You can't make up this level of stupid. Nobody can.

Yet this is where we are.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:22 PM (sy5kK)

232 219 Until we crush the Left at home, we are doomed abroad, and ground wars are nothing more than a pointless waste of our finest patriots.
/rant off
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 08:07 PM (dp68O)

Yes.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 07, 2019 08:22 PM (H8QX8)

233 "deposed ex-Governor of South Carolina, Nikki Haley"

Posted by: AOSHQ Style-Guide at October 07, 2019 08:22 PM (/Sb0s)

234 How do you say, "grifter with an appetite for cocaine," in Ukranian?

Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2019 08:22 PM (kLDv+)

235 221 You guys act like this is Vietnam. We've lost way
more people to training accidents than we have in combat in the last tenyears. I guarantee you that will change though if we let the region blow up by abandoning it .

-----

I don'r know about us "guys" but I imagine the insane left wing MSNBC spinzone is making whatever happened today to be the next Khasshoghi.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:22 PM (FEQY4)

236 " CNN has been pumping up the Kurds all day long"

No whey!

Posted by: Little Bo Peek at October 07, 2019 08:23 PM (Tnijr)

237 We've lost way more people to training accidents than we have in combat in the last ten years. I guarantee you that will change though if we let the region blow up by abandoning it .

I'll let you discuss that with a legless vet who was wounded in some country we had no business bothering with, spending their blood and taxpayer money.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 08:23 PM (KZzsI)

238 >>CNN has been pumping up the Kurds all day long.


You shouldn't hold that against the Kurds. CNN will use any tool to bludgeon the Right.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2019 08:23 PM (4VGhz)

239 How do you say, "grifter with an appetite for cocaine," in Ukranian?
Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2019 08:22 PM (kLDv+)


Hunter Biden

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 07, 2019 08:23 PM (aS1PU)

240 I don't pay attention to foreign affairs much, but I'm not yet full blown isolationist.

Obama withdrew troops and everything went to hell in a handbasket.

Anyway, I don't know enough to have an actual opinion on Syria.

But I don't know what we're still doing in Afghanistan.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (9hauA)

241 You guys act like this is Vietnam. We've lost way more people to training accidents than we have in combat in the last ten years. I guarantee you that will change though if we let the region blow up by abandoning it .

I'm trying to see if you are drawing a line here...

How many dead and maimed Americans do you require before you change your mind?

Or is killing every soldier acceptable just because?

Where is that line?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (lD3vL)

242 Four more beers! Four more beers! Four more beers!

Posted by: Chad Dudeski at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (IqTzS)

243
Posted by: Miklos, the truth is out there


Considering all the Mikloss out there, this is my favorite

Posted by: Sock Monkey....decidedly out of character cranky at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (iDKtp)

244 Are there any veterans of the recent wars in the Horde?

Posted by: Josephistan at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (Izzlo)

245
Let it blow up. What do we care? We don't need the oil. What is our strategic interest in the region?
Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:19 PM (J70i0)

Eastern Syria doesn't even produce any oil. It's like wanting to waste thousand of lives to hold Hill 357, just so we can say we did it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (V2Yro)

246 What is the media going to do when all of this mess is finally exposed? Will they still deny? I really can't see them doing a mea culpa with their tails between their legs.

How are they going to handle it?

Posted by: IrishEi at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (sGotD)

247 Biden recently threatened CNN and Fox News that they must not run a Trump ad about the Biden family's corruption.

Or else ... what?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (YLq84)

248 No it's not like Viet Nam. Is this supposed to be some humanitarian mission?

Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2019 08:19 PM (Tnijr)

That was Somalia for GWB. You know, the new world order where we would police the world. All we did was get a bunch of Rangers killed and an endless stream of Somalia refugees.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (J70i0)

249 Send the Kurds all the weapons you want realize that could come back to bite us and get out. There are places on this planet not worth a drop of blood, and most of those are Muzzy territory.

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2019 08:25 PM (ZCEU2)

250 a 15 mile buffer zone along the Turkish border. Of course, maybe they're lying - but if they aren't (and I don't think they have the ability to take more) then this is a whole lot of sound and fury about nothing.
Posted by: Tom Servo

And the Turkish military is much less capable than it was 10 years ago. Erdogan has done a Stalin-esque purge of the senior military, and went after the air force in particular after the fake "Coup attempt". The Turkish Air Force currently has more planes than pilots.

Posted by: Miklos, naybe he's biting off more kebab than he can chew at October 07, 2019 08:25 PM (QzkSJ)

251 "Where is that line?"

The important question to ask of ANY adventure, past or present.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:25 PM (ykYG2)

252 Who cares about what happens to me and my people?

a) Turks

b) Kurds

c) Everybody

d) None of the above

Posted by: mikeyG at October 07, 2019 08:25 PM (/Sb0s)

253 The conversation that has been public for about 5 days now.

You can't make up this level of stupid. Nobody can.

Yet this is where we are.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:22 PM (sy5kK)

A guest on Tucker just made a good point - this "2nd whistleblower" is simply the source for the 1st whisteblower, so it's not actually a separate complaint at all - it's still the same complaint from the same source.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:26 PM (V2Yro)

254 ---
Trump should demand that Congress pass an Authorization for Military Force in Syria, or he'll pull out.

Watch heads explode.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (cfSRQ)


A.H, you could be John Bolton's replacement.

The world would be a better place.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:26 PM (sy5kK)

255 Biden recently threatened CNN and Fox News that they must not run a Trump ad about the Biden family's corruption.



Or else ... what?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (YLq84)


That 6 foot chain he didn't use on Corn Pop. Well he's still got and he aims to use it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 08:27 PM (YKkIU)

256 The Media Isn't Just Burying the Hunter Biden Corruption Story...

Well, it's their job. What else would you have them do?

Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2019 08:27 PM (xSo9G)

257 246 What is the media going to do when all of this mess is finally exposed? Will they still deny? I really can't see them doing a mea culpa with their tails between their legs.

How are they going to handle it?
Posted by: IrishEi at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (sGotD)


=====

They'll just ask you "are you goona believe me, or your lying eyes?" And, like an abused spouse, enough people will choose to believe them and go back for more.

Posted by: jc at October 07, 2019 08:27 PM (PuMKG)

258 The Saladin was a Kurd. The west may not remember what that means but the Kurds most certainly do.

They will be our allies just as long as it suits them and not a minute longer. They want the Christians dead or enslaved as much as the rest of the Muslims do. We just useful now.

Trump is done being used.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 07, 2019 08:28 PM (urYkN)

259 No blood for cheese!

Posted by: Ageing Hippy at October 07, 2019 08:28 PM (EgshT)

260 Babylon Bee: "New law requires you to listen to Greta Thunberg lecture before purchasing gasoline"

The law was immediately repealed right after it was found people were then squirting gasoline all over the speaker and setting it on fire... :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 07, 2019 08:28 PM (L2ZTs)

261 ok. so tucker says people should be in jail for urging us to be in the mideast. but when obama took us out of iraq, isis arose. should tucker be in jail for that? maybe.

Posted by: mjc at October 07, 2019 08:28 PM (Pg+x7)

262 Obama withdrew troops and everything went to hell in a handbasket.

What is the definition of "Hell in a Handbasket"?

Because while the US was killing off its youth in Korea and Vietnam, China was slaughtering up to 250 million of its own people - and the US did absolutely nothing to interfere (even though we bailed out China from Japan's aggression)

Furthermore, these people are savages who have been slaughtering each other since Ishamel was kicked out of Abraham's camp.

I'm trying to figure out exactly why I should care, and how many dead Americans and billions of tax dollars we are supposed to sacrifice to put off the inevitable.

Its sort of like California demanding that people can't clear out the kindling and dried brush so that when the inevitable fire comes, it is absolutely devastating.

US presence in that theater is keeping the kindling and dried brush around.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:28 PM (lD3vL)

263
A guest on Tucker just made a good point - this "2nd whistleblower" is simply the source for the 1st whisteblower, so it's not actually a separate complaint at all - it's still the same complaint from the same source.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:26 PM (V2Yro)


Exactly, and the actual, entire transcript is available on line, even for those blowers of whistles and other things.

Making the entire concept of whistle blowing moot.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:29 PM (sy5kK)

264
Trump should demand that Congress pass an Authorization for Military Force in Syria, or he'll pull out.

Watch heads explode.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (cfSRQ)


I think it has to be Declaration of War.
No half measure.

But against who?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 08:29 PM (1g7ch)

265 Repost:

Trump is stepping on his dick in Syria. Well, that and his ridiculous Tweet.

Trump club rules:

97: Never assume you know everything PDT does.
piRSquared: Never assume what you think is happening is actually happening.

1 (is made up of pieces of 11ty): If you don't like a Trump Tweet it wasn't meant for you.

Or - SpaDoinkle
Or - wait til something actually happens.

Posted by: DaveA at October 07, 2019 08:29 PM (FhXTo)

266 Dems considering distorting the whistleblower's voice and appearance so that Republicans can't leak their identity.

https://tinyurl.com/y3jwgfpn

Posted by: redridinghood at October 07, 2019 08:29 PM (wiXsO)

267 Better to have not bothered in the first place, and to have concentrated on the Crusade in Europe. That side of it actually got Sicily and Lisbon back.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (ykYG2)


Sicily was liberated by the Normans. Stone cold asskickers.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 08:29 PM (y7DUB)

268 Well, I hope all of you people calling for 'No More Blood' will soon be calling for a massive drawdown in Forces and Budget.

Close some bases while you are at it.


Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2019 08:29 PM (4VGhz)

269 244 Are there any veterans of the recent wars in the Horde?
Posted by: Josephistan at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (Izzlo)

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OIF (Army)

2003-2004
2005-2006
2008-2009

Posted by: SMH at October 07, 2019 08:29 PM (RU4sa)

270 But I don't know what we're still doing in Afghanistan.
Posted by: chique d'afrique

Marking targets for BLUs and tactical nukes?

Posted by: Miklos, one can hope at October 07, 2019 08:30 PM (QzkSJ)

271 I've always thought the Kurds deserved their own nation, but I'm not sure you could get Iraq, Syria, and Turkey to agree what color the sky is, much less giving up territory. Maybe the Kurds could do raise money for independence by teaming up with the Israelis for a "women in uniform" calendar. I'm pretty sure every Moron would buy at least one for their bunk.

Posted by: pookysgirl, storming the bureaucratic battlements at October 07, 2019 08:30 PM (XKZwp)

272 They will be our allies just as long as it suits them and not a minute longer. They want the Christians dead or enslaved as much as the rest of the Muslims do. We just useful now.

They seem considerably less hostile toward Christians than others in the region, though. I don't think they're necessarily our friends but certainly the Turks aren't either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 08:30 PM (KZzsI)

273 That was Somalia for GWB. You know, the new world order where we would police the world. All we did was get a bunch of Rangers killed and an endless stream of Somalia refugees.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (J7

I think you have your timeline screwed up.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:30 PM (2DOZq)

274 They will be our allies just as long as it suits them and not a minute longer. They want the Christians dead or enslaved as much as the rest of the Muslims do. We just useful now.

We should be sending them Bibles, not bullets.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:30 PM (lD3vL)

275 211 "reason we cannot "win" a war in Syria, no matter how many troops we put in there, is that there are at least 7 sides to that war, probably more, and their allegiances and alliances all change constantly."

See also: the Crusades.

The Western Europeans and the Papacy sunk a sh!t ton of resources to keep a few castles up and down Palestine. And what did we get out of it? A few castles up and down Palestine (and, er... Constantinople... d'oh).

We got as far as we did because the Moslem states were dysfunctional. But eventually the Crusaders sided with the wrong side (the Mongols, in that case) and united all the Moslems against them. So much for the Crusade.

Better to have not bothered in the first place, and to have concentrated on the Crusade in Europe. That side of it actually got Sicily and Lisbon back.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (ykYG2)

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They couldn't do the Crusades in Europe because every single Knight wanted his own lands. They couldn't get their own lands if they recovered Christian lands, as those were already spoken for.

They needed Unclaimed Mid Eastern lands to pay off the knights. At least when they fought a war over there, it was for something besides Christian Ideals or Neo Con Democratic Fantasyland.

Just like none of the Democrats would care for Ukraine if there wasn't all that sweet, sweet Foreign Aid Billions for them to loot.

Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 08:31 PM (+0uDE)

276
Trump should demand that Congress pass an Authorization for Military Force in Syria, or he'll pull out.

Watch heads explode.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:15 PM (cfSRQ)

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I dunno. That'd be a risky gambit, I think.

Senate Rs would line up to pass it, because GOP beaks get very wet in wars.

And if it was "Pelosi's War," then the Dem voters wouldn't complain because it's their own people pushing it.

But the Dem politicians would see to it that that state of affairs lasts exactly until the next (R) President, when it would suddenly become of the utmost importance to end this senseless (R) war.

They'd probably go for it, because as always, these protracted conflicts that never achieve results are in the interest of both wings of the Uniparty.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 08:31 PM (dp68O)

277 Well, I hope all of you people calling for 'No More Blood' will soon be calling for a massive drawdown in Forces and Budget.

I know I am. Military budget has needed cutting for ages, not because they're spending well but because its so packed full of waste and corruption. Cut that back and you can actually spend where its needed, like airplane parts and pay for the men, Vets hospitals, that kind of thing.

We're spread all over the damned world with boots on the ground in every continent but Antarctica. What the hell?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 08:31 PM (KZzsI)

278

" What is the media going to do when all of this mess is finally exposed? "

Create another stupid conspiracy theory.

Chuck Todd need to be able to have something to talk about! Trump did SOMETHING!


Posted by: Rev. Dr. Joe Biden at October 07, 2019 08:31 PM (lg/F7)

279 Trump hurt the Turkish economy bad with sanctions when the put the American pastor Brunson in prison. So bad they released Brunson pretty quickly.

He emphasized today that he could do that again if Turkey doesn't act properly. Military is only one form of power, finance can be every bit as powerful if you know how to use it.

Trump knows how to use it.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2019 08:32 PM (ZLI7S)

280 Tucker is a Dove.

At times he sounds like a Rand Paul hand puppet.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2019 08:32 PM (4VGhz)

281 What is our strategic interest in the region?
Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:19 PM (J70i0)


Our strategic interest in the region is to support moderates as best we can and keep the crazies from getting their hands on resources they can convert to more religious craziness, i.e. attacking the Great Satan and the Little Satan.

Since it is very difficult to negotiate with people who think you are Satan keeping a lid on the crazies involves Violent Men doing Violence on behalf of those of us sleeping soundly in our beds.

Posted by: Adriane the Literary Critic ... at October 07, 2019 08:32 PM (LPnfS)

282 Put me in the category of those who are ready to utterly destroy worthless GOP politicians who are doing their best to make trump the Lone Ranger.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 07, 2019 08:32 PM (D2NuU)

283 CNN has been pumping up the Kurds all day long"

No whey!
Posted by: Little Bo Peek
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Uh...

Posted by: Little Miss Muffet at October 07, 2019 08:32 PM (yAc+w)

284 267 Better to have not bothered in the first place, and to have concentrated on the Crusade in Europe. That side of it actually got Sicily and Lisbon back.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:18 PM (ykYG2)

Sicily was liberated by the Normans. Stone cold asskickers.

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the way I see the Crusades, kind of like WWII where, the Christian nations. Our ancestors could only hold the line and never really take back the land the islam took from us.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:33 PM (FEQY4)

285 The MSMDNC Axis thinks the weaponization of law enforcement is a one way weapon.

If, for some reason, I'm ever in a camp with any of these fools, I'll make sure to tell them, "If only Comrade Stalin knew."

And watch as their eyes glaze over in confusion because they don't get the reference because they know nothing of history and how these things always end.

Idiots. Malevolent idiots, at that.

Posted by: blake - MSM pilow salesman
at October 07, 2019 08:33 PM (WEBkv)

286 >>We're spread all over the damned world with boots on the ground in every continent but Antarctica. What the hell?


If you want a Global Market, you are gonna have to Police the World.

We shut the borders, kick out the foreigners and stop trying to play Global Monopoly and I am game.

We keep spending tax dollars around the world, seeking new markets?


Well, then I say Police like a fucking thug.
Kill people. All of the people.
Break shit. All of the shit

Walk away.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2019 08:34 PM (4VGhz)

287 Well, I hope all of you people calling for 'No More Blood' will soon be calling for a massive drawdown in Forces and Budget.



Close some bases while you are at it.



Forward Operating Base Brownsville, TX has a nice ring.

Posted by: mikeyG at October 07, 2019 08:34 PM (/Sb0s)

288 Dems considering distorting the whistleblower's voice and appearance so that Republicans can't leak their identity.

https://tinyurl.com/y3jwgfpn
Posted by: redridinghood at October 07, 2019 08:29 PM (wiXsO)


They are going to go with,
"The transcript was fake."

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 08:35 PM (1g7ch)

289 That was Somalia for GWB. You know, the new world order where we would police the world. All we did was get a bunch of Rangers killed and an endless stream of Somalia refugees.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (J7

I think you have your timeline screwed up.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:30 PM (2DOZq)
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Pretty sure that was Slick Willie who sent the Blackhawk Down men to their deaths in Somalia.

And why did we start importing Somalians like Ilhan I Hate America Omar over here after Blackhawk Down? Send them all back, starting with her.

Posted by: Boots at October 07, 2019 08:35 PM (oGBso)

290 I think you have your timeline screwed up.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:30 PM (2DOZq)

No, GWB the Liar, sent the Marines into Somalia for humanitarian issues. You know they landed silently and deadly to a host of TV cameras and klieg lights. That soon expanded to hunting down warlords. Clinton got stuck with the mess, screwed it up, got Rangers killed, and then left.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:35 PM (J70i0)

291 They couldn't do the Crusades in Europe because every single Knight wanted his own lands. They couldn't get their own lands if they recovered Christian lands, as those were already spoken for.

They needed Unclaimed Mid Eastern lands to pay off the knights. At least when they fought a war over there, it was for something besides Christian Ideals or Neo Con Democratic Fantasyland.


Bullshit. It took money to go crusading, and the only way to raise that kind of money was to sell off land and rights. It wasn't the landless going East.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2019 08:35 PM (iTtBf)

292 Kill people. All of the people.
Break shit. All of the shit

Walk away.
Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2019 08:34 PM (4VGhz

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This is correct, and proper, and works.

And we never, ever do it anymore.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 08:35 PM (dp68O)

293 Forward Operating Base Brownsville, TX has a nice ring.

Posted by: mikeyG

Cheaper on the Mexican side.

Bonus: free fire zone

Posted by: Miklos, checking the map at October 07, 2019 08:36 PM (QzkSJ)

294 If you want a Global Market, you are gonna have to Police the World.

There's more ways to do that than bomb everything and send troops into every 'stan on earth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 08:36 PM (KZzsI)

295 The MSMDNC Axis thinks the weaponization of law enforcement is a one way weapon.

If, for some reason, I'm ever in a camp with any of these fools, I'll make sure to tell them, "If only Comrade Stalin knew."

And watch as their eyes glaze over in confusion because they don't get the reference because they know nothing of history and how these things always end.

Idiots. Malevolent idiots, at that.
Posted by: blake
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They've never studied the French revolution either.

Posted by: Robespierre, Danton, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 08:36 PM (yAc+w)

296 the way I see the Crusades, kind of like WWII where,
the Christian nations. Our ancestors could only hold the line and
never really take back the land the islam took from us.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:33 PM (FEQY4)

We would like to point out our victories.

Posted by: Spaniards at October 07, 2019 08:37 PM (J70i0)

297 Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:35 PM (J70i0)

Your spin is worse than the MSM.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:37 PM (2DOZq)

298 "277 Well, I hope all of you people calling for 'No More Blood' will soon be calling for a massive drawdown in Forces and Budget.

I know I am. Military budget has needed cutting for ages, not because they're spending well but because its so packed full of waste and corruption. Cut that back and you can actually spend where its needed, like airplane parts and pay for the men, Vets hospitals, that kind of thing.

We're spread all over the damned world with boots on the ground in every continent but Antarctica. What the hell?"

Agreed, and will join the calls to take an axe to the military budget and draw down forces worldwide. Our freaking borders are wide open and if any terrorist wants to come into here, that's probably a more immediate a problem than who is the emir of NoOneGivesAFuckAStan. Mexico and China pump fentanyl into the United States and we treat both like trading partners. Jihadis have their own House caucus. The list is endless.

We have to fight them over here so we don't have to fight them over there but there's no money and power tripping in that.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 07, 2019 08:37 PM (iw59Q)

299 We're spread all over the damned world with boots on the ground in every continent but Antarctica. What the hell?


Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 08:31 PM (KZzsI)

Bad news: We've got military in Antarctica.

Posted by: pookysgirl, storming the bureaucratic battlements at October 07, 2019 08:37 PM (XKZwp)

300 the way I see the Crusades, kind of like WWII where, the Christian nations. Our ancestors could only hold the line and never really take back the land the islam took from us.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:33 PM (FEQY4)
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Spain did it. When Ferdinand & Isabella weren't busy financing the discovery of the New World, they unified Spain and kicked out the Moors.

It can be done. It takes a medieval mindset. Do we still have one of those lying around?

Posted by: Boots at October 07, 2019 08:38 PM (oGBso)

301 Each crusade had different reasons, and each person going had their own reasons. But the first few at least were "save the holy land from the Musselman invaders." Yes, some money was involved because nobody ever does anything for one reason and not everyone as a good sort.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 08:38 PM (KZzsI)

302 Well, I hope all of you people calling for 'No More Blood' will soon be calling for a massive drawdown in Forces and Budget.

Sounds good to me........first up NATO.

Shut it down and ally with the Poles and Hungarians and let the rest of Europe, well, Europe.

Next up, Japan. Leave them to their hairless ways and ally with Vietnam.

Should I keep going?.......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2019 08:38 PM (Z+IKu)

303 We can't become totally isolationist, that would be idiotic and counter productive as well. But we've gone WAY overboard the other direction.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 08:39 PM (KZzsI)

304 Sounds good to me........first up NATO.

Amen.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:39 PM (lD3vL)

305 Next up, Japan. Leave them to their hairless ways and ally with Vietnam.

Should I keep going?.......
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 07, 2019 08:38 PM (Z+IKu)


Fuck the Vietnamese. If the Chinese exterminated every last one of them the world would be a better place. There are no good commies, and we shouldn't do a god damn thing to help them.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 08:40 PM (SgjGX)

306
273 That was Somalia for GWB. You know, the new world order where we would police the world. All we did was get a bunch of Rangers killed and an endless stream of Somalia refugees.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (J7

I think you have your timeline screwed up.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:30 PM (2DOZq)

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If it had been President RD, not Clinton, they would have had armor and artillery to back them up.

If Blackhawk Down happened, 48-72 hours later there would have been a separate operation. Go into Mogadishu four to six blocks by ten blocks, clear the residents, set up kill zones, and invite the jihadis to the dance. Introduce them to machine guns, mortars, and naval gunfire; with a rotating CAP of AC-130's to bust up these gangs.

Keep killing them until they break, then run down the losers as they flee.

Make Desert and call it Peace.

Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 08:40 PM (+0uDE)

307 the way I see the Crusades, kind of like WWII where, the Christian nations. Our ancestors could only hold the line and never really take back the land the islam took from us.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:33 PM (FEQY4)


The Crusades are as poorly understood by what gets upchucked by the state run indoctrination daycare centers as anything else, but there are lots of good books available on the fascinating topic. One of the least emphasized benefits is how it, ironically, opened up trade with the east and introduced Western Europe to things at low prices that had formerly been prohibitively expensive if even available.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 08:40 PM (y7DUB)

308 >>Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 07, 2019 08:02 PM


Nailed it.
Ouch!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2019 08:40 PM (bDqIh)

309 294 If you want a Global Market, you are gonna have to Police the World.

There's more ways to do that than bomb everything and send troops into every 'stan on earth.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 08:36 PM (KZzsI)


The critical policing we need to do is of the maritime trade routes. On land, I say we leave the various clowns to their own devices.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 07, 2019 08:40 PM (YLq84)

310 @305
Also, Charlie don't surf.
So there's that.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 08:40 PM (tJHro)

311 Beau Biden was the "good son"??? Not a chance.
A politician was Beau Biden??? How about getting a real job, after having your CANDY ASS

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 08:41 PM (dMrJJ)

312 "Uh...
Posted by: Little Miss Muffet

BOO!

Posted by: a face eating spider at October 07, 2019 08:42 PM (Tnijr)

313 If you want a Global Market, you are gonna have to Police the World.

Explain that to China, please.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:42 PM (lD3vL)

314 Our strategic interest in the region is to support
moderates as best we can and keep the crazies from getting their hands
on resources they can convert to more religious craziness, i.e.
attacking the Great Satan and the Little Satan.



Since it is very difficult to negotiate with people who think you
are Satan keeping a lid on the crazies involves Violent Men doing
Violence on behalf of those of us sleeping soundly in our beds.

Posted by: Adriane the Literary Critic ... at October 07, 2019 08:32 PM (LPnfS)

That's what borders are for. They can believe whatever they want in their own nations. I don't care if they think we are Santa Claus or the Boogey Man. If they attack us, we crush them. Otherwise, messing around in their countries is counter-productive. There are all manner of things we could do other than invade Muslim countries that would be far more beneficial.

Posted by: Spaniards at October 07, 2019 08:42 PM (J70i0)

315 Marcus T, one of my favorite posters but you remind me of my Dad - his take on things from a recon force in early 64 in Nam and then as staff in late 71. Eisenhower was right and Trump is now. Just say we are training people and I am fine, but there is no mission in that fuckin part of the world.

Posted by: rammajamma at October 07, 2019 08:42 PM (xceTB)

316 There are no good commies

I will certainly agree enthusiastically on that point.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 07, 2019 08:42 PM (EgshT)

317 >>Explain that to China, please.


If you don't think that is their plan, go read it.

They were kind enough to publish it for you.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2019 08:43 PM (4VGhz)

318 If you want a Global Market, you are gonna have to Police the World.

There's more ways to do that than bomb everything and send troops into every 'stan on earth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2019 08:36 PM (KZzsI)

The Global Market wants to sell us all kinds of shit, and the Globalists want us to provide armed security for multinational corporations with no loyalty to us. Those subdued nations of course provide the cheap labor that take the jobs that won't be waiting for the troops who bled for them when the troops come back home.

But hey, "Thank you for your service to your country and learn to code"

Posted by: kbdabear at October 07, 2019 08:43 PM (qAR6u)

319 Our freaking borders are wide open and if any terrorist wants to come into here, that's probably a more immediate a problem than who is the emir of NoOneGivesAFuckAStan. Mexico and China pump fentanyl into the United States and we treat both like trading partners. Jihadis have their own House caucus. The list is endless.


Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 07, 2019 08:37 PM (iw59Q)


I believe the phrase you are looking for is "target rich environment".


Yeah, Chinese made and Mexican processed fentanyl is killing what, 50,000 Americans a year?

No problem, say the Democrats/Uniparty.

No problem at all.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:44 PM (sy5kK)

320 Also, Charlie don't surf.
So there's that.


Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 08:40 PM (tJHro)


As far as I'm concerned, my battle cry is: Americans Don't Serf

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 07, 2019 08:44 PM (D2NuU)

321
Bad news: We've got military in Antarctica.
Posted by: pookysgirl, storming the bureaucratic battlements


I hope they don't dig up that damn alien.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 08:44 PM (aKsyK)

322 @319
But the Kurds, have you no humanity?

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 08:45 PM (tJHro)

323 Captain Hate, you know more about the Crusades than any moron.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:45 PM (ykYG2)

324 The Federalist editor pointed out that a July New Yorker profile said a Chinese businessman gave Hunter Biden a diamond gift.





was it a diamond, or a diamond-diamond?

Posted by: Whoopdi Effing Do at October 07, 2019 08:45 PM (sy5kK)

325 One of the least emphasized benefits is how it,
ironically, opened up trade with the east and introduced Western Europe
to things at low prices that had formerly been prohibitively expensive
if even available.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 08:40 PM (y7DUB)

One professor I listened to talking about the Crusades said Europe wasn't influenced much by Muslim culture. However, the did pick up some new trade goods, namely gun powder. Everyone in the East knew about it. However, Europe turned it into a serious weapon and the rest is history.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:45 PM (J70i0)

326 There are no good commies

There are no good Democrats. There, I FIFY.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 07, 2019 08:46 PM (D2NuU)

327 >>If you don't think that is their plan, go read it.

>>They were kind enough to publish it for you.

Trump is fighting them as hard as anyone has in decades and he's doing it real damage to China and getting them to bend.

And he hasn't fired a shot.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2019 08:46 PM (ZLI7S)

328 >>He emphasized today that he could do that again if Turkey doesn't act properly. Military is only one form of power, finance can be every bit as powerful if you know how to use it.

Trump knows how to use it.
- - - -
It's about freakin' time we had a POTUS who knew how to exert America's many powers instead of finding ways to apologize for I/be submissive to not hurt other countries' feelings.

I *like* that he will go to NATO and tell them time to pay up, and also, stop buying all your energy from Russia and demanding we protect you from Russia, idiots!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2019 08:46 PM (bDqIh)

329 It's pretty obvious that the Crusades were mostly motivated by religious sentiment (with the possible exception of the Fourth, which was eventually derailed by the way it was financed/debt). It was enormously costly to go on crusade and involved leaving one's lands in the hands of others while one was away for an extended period of time to engage in an uncertain, dangerous endeavor. Very few ever gained lands by doing so. And most were eager to return home at the first opportunity.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 07, 2019 08:46 PM (H5knJ)

330 Yeah, Chinese made and Mexican processed fentanyl is killing what, 50,000 Americans a year?

No problem, say the Democrats/Uniparty.

No problem at all.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:44 PM (sy5kK)

It's a good way to get rid of those smelly working class people so that we can import a different one.

Posted by: Cap'n Billy's dumbest shit ever... ahoy at October 07, 2019 08:47 PM (U7k5w)

331 We should be sending them Bibles, not bullets.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:30 PM (lD3vL)

Want to know how Trump could REALLY piss off a lot people? Announce that we'll give Full Military Support to the Kurds, but only if they all get baptized and accept Christ as their Personal Savior.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:47 PM (V2Yro)

332 Bullshit. It took money to go crusading, and the only way to raise that kind of money was to sell off land and rights. It wasn't the landless going East.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2019 08:35 PM (iTtBf)


Sure it was in the first Crusade specifically because they weren't the first born and weren't eligible to inherit any land. They were going east to claim something. And there were plenty of poor people tag alongs just because there was a chance for something.

They were all logistical nightmares.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 08:48 PM (y7DUB)

333 Any book recommendations, capt. Hate?

Posted by: A dude in MI at October 07, 2019 08:48 PM (WhTSP)

334 There are no good commies

There are no good Democrats. There, I FIFY.


te-may-do, teh-mah-toe

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:48 PM (lD3vL)

335 296 the way I see the Crusades, kind of like WWII where,
the Christian nations. Our ancestors could only hold the line and
never really take back the land the islam took from us.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:33 PM (FEQY4)

We would like to point out our victories.

=======

and think about it like super slow mo. When we kicked the nazis out of France, imagine if they had had kids and decades of nazi learning...hence the inquisition.

but the anti-Christian historians among the left and muslims imagine it was because evil.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:48 PM (FEQY4)

336 Want to know how Trump could REALLY piss off a lot people? Announce that we'll give Full Military Support to the Kurds, but only if they all get baptized and accept Christ as their Personal Savior.
Posted by: Tom Servo a

Heads exploding all over the world.

Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2019 08:48 PM (OM4Ma)

337 I hope they don't dig up that damn alien.


No shit.

Posted by: R.J. MacReady at October 07, 2019 08:49 PM (EgshT)

338 I wonder what will happen to the Jonahs, Kristols, Frenchs, and Romneys when the imported workforce decides they want the masters wallet. The "American way" will not seem too important to them.

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2019 08:50 PM (U7k5w)

339 The Federalist editor pointed out that a July New Yorker profile said a Chinese businessman gave Hunter Biden a diamond gift.

was it a diamond, or a diamond-diamond?

Posted by: Whoopdi Effing Do at October 07, 2019 08:45 PM (sy5kK)


Diamond studded black falcon. Further tribute to be paid annually.

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 07, 2019 08:50 PM (aS1PU)

340 326 There are no good commies

There are no good Democrats.




A distinction without a difference.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:50 PM (sy5kK)

341 However, the did pick up some new trade goods, namely gun powder. Everyone in the East knew about it.

I just learnt a new term from Razib Khan this very morn - the "Gunpowder Empire". Ottomans, Safavids, and Moghals. Between Europe and China, 1600-1800 AD. We should add the early Qing / Manchus before they totally went to the terlit.

The GEs were a thing. At least the equals to Europe, tech-wise. Until they decided to coast on their successes and the Brits and Frogs ate their lunch

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:50 PM (ykYG2)

342 >>> I hope they don't dig up that damn alien.
~~~~~

What alien? I thought we kept all our aliens in Area 51.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 07, 2019 08:50 PM (sGotD)

343 and think about it like super slow mo. When we kicked the nazis out of France, imagine if they had had kids and decades of nazi learning...hence the inquisition.

The Inquisition had nothing to do with Islam. It was about heretical Christianity.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 08:50 PM (SgjGX)

344 Make Desert and call it Peace.

Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 08:40 PM (+0uDE)

Yeah, I would have had serious support as well. Plus ROE would have been, if a crowd shows up with guys waving guns behind women and children, it's tough to be them. Once the one chopper was down, I would have been mowing down anyone getting within a block.

I know, "But the press would crucify us!!!" Well tough to be a reporter suddenly left behind in hostile territory.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:51 PM (J70i0)

345 Captain Hate, you know more about the Crusades than any moron.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 08:45 PM (ykYG2)


I doubt that but thank you. You're very knowledgeable in some of my weaker areas so I defer frequently to you.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 08:51 PM (y7DUB)

346 Dick's Sports destroyed 5 million dollars worth of 'Assault' rifles. They could have just given them to the Kurds .

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (2DOZq)

347 Anybody seen Childs?

Posted by: R.J. MacReady at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (EgshT)

348 The Inquisition had nothing to do with Islam. It was about heretical Christianity.

Tell that to the Huguenots and the Baptists.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (lD3vL)

349 Yeah, Chinese made and Mexican processed fentanyl is killing what, 50,000 Americans a year?


Most of them are scumbags who don't vote when we tell 'em, so fuck 'em.

Posted by: Pesky Anal Leaker Adam Schitt at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (w3OLr)

350 Heh, IC IG got caught backdating changes to 'Whistleblower' form.

Yup, everybody who downloaded it the day it came out saw it changed just a day or two before...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (1g7ch)

351 Bullshit. It took money to go crusading, and the only way to raise that kind of money was to sell off land and rights. It wasn't the landless going East.

===

right, post Roman Europe didn't have that kind of money.

rome woulda fought forever

But the individual arab countries that fell never really knew the scope of the threat, at least we aren't taught that they did. We're there any arab-christian, pre-muslim defense arrangements? or did they just domino over a few centuries?

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 08:53 PM (FEQY4)

352 Yeah well Huber will come.

Posted by: blaster at October 07, 2019 08:53 PM (ZfRYq)

353 328 >>He emphasized today that he could do that again if Turkey doesn't act properly. Military is only one form of power, finance can be every bit as powerful if you know how to use it.

Trump knows how to use it.
- - - -


"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!"

- Mayer Rothschild

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:54 PM (sy5kK)

354 Heh, IC IG got caught backdating changes to 'Whistleblower' form.

Yup, everybody who downloaded it the day it came out saw it changed just a day or two before...
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (1g7ch)


Top. Men.

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 07, 2019 08:54 PM (aS1PU)

355 Sure it was in the first Crusade specifically because they weren't the first born and weren't eligible to inherit any land. They were going east to claim something. And there were plenty of poor people tag alongs just because there was a chance for something.

They were all logistical nightmares.


I would suggest you read Doctor Jonathan Riley-Smith's work on the subject. You might also acquaint yourself with Raymond of Toulouse, one of the leaders of the First Crusade and who just happened to be the largest landowner in France at the time.

The crusaders actually did pretty well with logistics, all things considered, and they learned very fast. The steadily increasing ability of Europe to raise large amounts of money and move large numbers of men long distances is one of the seldom-noted aspects of the crusades.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2019 08:54 PM (iTtBf)

356 >>It's about freakin' time we had a POTUS who knew how to exert America's many powers instead of finding ways to apologize for I/be submissive to not hurt other countries' feelings.

>>I *like* that he will go to NATO and tell them time to pay up, and also, stop buying all your energy from Russia and demanding we protect you from Russia, idiots!

It seems pretty obvious to me after the first 3 years, the Trump Doctrine is try to settle issues using financial pressure first and only of that fails or if we are attacked or severely provoked do we use the military.

He sanctions countries and puts tariffs on them and uses the banking system to shut down international finance like no president I've ever seen and not only does it appear to be working in numerous places around the world we are prospering at home.

We have the biggest, most powerful economy in the world. We can crush any economy we want. I'm more than ok with this white also keeping the most powerful military in the world on hand for those Break Glass moments.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2019 08:54 PM (ZLI7S)

357 It's pretty obvious that the Crusades were mostly
motivated by religious sentiment (with the possible exception of the
Fourth, which was eventually derailed by the way it was financed/debt).





The
First was in response to a plea from Constantinople to the Pope to help
bail them out after the Battle of Manzikert in 1071 the Byzantines lost
most of Anatolia to the Seljuk Turks. The Pope couldn't sell the West
on bailing out the schismatics in the east so he pitched the idea of
liberating the Holy Lands. The rest were attempts to hold on to what
they had or retake what was lost

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 08:55 PM (YKkIU)

358 Anybody seen Childs?


Posted by: R.J. MacReady at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (EgshT)


Julia?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 08:55 PM (YKkIU)

359 The Inquisition had nothing to do with Islam. It was about heretical Christianity.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 08:50 PM (SgjGX)

It began in it's most recognizable form with the hunt for the Crypto-Jews in Spain.

The left is still hunting for Crypto-Jews.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:55 PM (V2Yro)

360 There was one Crusade against other Christians IIRC.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:55 PM (2DOZq)

361 Tell that to the Huguenots and the Baptists.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (lD3vL)


Neither of whom were muslim, but were seen as heretical Christians, and who often were in violent conflict with the Church and the secular authorities.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 08:56 PM (SgjGX)

362 Julia?

Blair and Fuchs ate her.

Posted by: R.J. MacReady at October 07, 2019 08:56 PM (EgshT)

363 Heh. PDT issued a proclamation that no visa will be issued to those immigrants who do not have health insurance in order to protect the health benefits of Americans.

My favorite president.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 07, 2019 08:57 PM (sGotD)

364
Everybody loves Raymond of Toulouse.

Except the peasants. They hated him, 'cause he was a real bastard.

Posted by: Pesky Anal Leaker Adam Schitt at October 07, 2019 08:57 PM (w3OLr)

365 Inbreeding doomed the Caliphate. It took a while.

Posted by: Burger Chef at October 07, 2019 08:57 PM (RuIsu)

366 346 Dick's Sports destroyed 5 million dollars worth of 'Assault' rifles. They could have just given them to the Kurds .
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (2DOZq)



I saw that. The buttlickers at Dick's made the conscious decision that it was worth $5 million in publicity to destroy those rifles.


I can't continue with my comments about who they really are and what should happen to them, so let me just say, fuck them in the ass with a flaming pineapple.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2019 08:57 PM (sy5kK)

367 I would like for Mitt to get a load of salt up his ass and to get a hot poker to follow it and then scatter his shit to the wind.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2019 08:57 PM (151Du)

368 361 Tell that to the Huguenots and the Baptists.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (lD3vL)

Neither of whom were muslim, but were seen as heretical Christians, and who often were in violent conflict with the Church and the secular authorities.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 08:56 PM (SgjGX)

Better, tell that to the Gnostics.

Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 08:57 PM (NgKpN)

369 Blair and Fuchs ate her.

That explains many things.

Posted by: Pesky Anal Leaker Adam Schitt at October 07, 2019 08:57 PM (w3OLr)

370 350 Heh, IC IG got caught backdating changes to 'Whistleblower' form.


Isn't that paragon of virtue the same lying sack of shit that was the General Counsel for the DOJ-NSD. The same NSD that Strok, Page, McCabe, and every other slime ball Russia Gate FBI and DOJ that cleared Hillary and tried to take down Donald came from?

That Guy?

Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 08:58 PM (+0uDE)

371 Yup, everybody who downloaded it the day it came out saw it changed just a day or two before...
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (1g7ch)

------

While I don't put it past them for one minute to do that, I looked at that metadata, and it doesn't prove that... it's definitely possible they fooled with the document, but that was date of export from MS Word to PDF - it could have been unpolluted.

Now the rules change regarding third-parties is unquestionably hinky. But sadly, unless someone admits it, alteration of documents can't be proven from the knowledge we have (in the public).

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 08:58 PM (dp68O)

372 Turns out the prince of monaco, sponsors a yearly energy conference, that features burisma and mr. Z, last year mary landrieu and a whole host of other dignitaries attended

Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 08:58 PM (x+C/t)

373 It became crystal clear when Republicans and Conservatives stood idly by while demorat wolves/lawyers viciously attacked Sarah Palin, some thing was grievously wrong. When Trump announced to the world tha if he won the Election hitlery would go to jail, and even hitlery said if she lost many would suffer the law, even those fellow conspirators of hers.
Whats the joke ?
Justice delayed is justice denied, and as the years pass by, justice might not happen AT ALL !
Demorats do the crimes,and don't even get charged ! Republicans go to jail for being innocent and/or even minor misdemeanors !
Trump doesn't want to hold them accountable, then suffers their wrath. Justly so ?

Posted by: ron n. at October 07, 2019 08:58 PM (om5HK)

374 That was Somalia for GWB. You know, the new world order where we would police the world. All we did was get a bunch of Rangers killed and an endless stream of Somalia refugees.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:24 PM (J70i0)

********

Somalia was Billy Jeff

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 07, 2019 08:59 PM (flINI)

375 The Crusades were also a good way for a lot of land and castle holding oldest brothers in Europe to get rid of a lot of dangerous and violent younger brothers who had little to do at home, besides cause trouble. It was worth buying them a horse and a some armor to get them out of town for a few years.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 08:59 PM (V2Yro)

376 The rest were attempts to hold on to what
they had or retake what was lost
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 08:55 PM (YKkIU)

There was also the matter of harassment of Christian pilgrims as well as the burning of the Holy Sepulcher by that one guy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 08:59 PM (2B9A/)

377
Sure it was in the first Crusade specifically
because they weren't the first born and weren't eligible to inherit any
land. They were going east to claim something. And there were plenty
of poor people tag alongs just because there was a chance for something.



They were all logistical nightmares.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 08:48 PM (y7DUB)

Um, actually no, it's complicated. It was a mix. There were plenty of nobles who sold lands or borrowed money to go crusading, even the first one. The whole population pressure and dumping landless nobles theory has pretty much fallen to the side. Yes, there were nobles looking for territory. There were also nobles who did it for religious reasons. Sometimes they were one in the same.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:59 PM (J70i0)

378

Did I miss the weekly posting stats? Always fun to see how many nics Ace has run...

Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat at October 07, 2019 08:59 PM (w3OLr)

379 Any book recommendations, capt. Hate?
Posted by: A dude in MI at October 07, 2019 08:48 PM (WhTSP)


On the Crusades? Zoé Oldenbourg's ancient The Crusades laid out everything in an easy to understand manner. The Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople by Jonathan Phillips gives a good account of that specific clusterfuck.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 08:59 PM (y7DUB)

380 Better, tell that to the Gnostics.
Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 08:57 PM (NgKpN)


Again, heretical Christianity, and also intertwined with political conflict as well, not just religious issues.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 09:00 PM (SgjGX)

381 In the lun, was last years conference, after they had dropped all charges against burisma

Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:00 PM (x+C/t)

382 >>He sanctions countries and puts tariffs on them and uses the banking system to shut down international finance like no president I've ever seen and not only does it appear to be working in numerous places around the world we are prospering at home.


The way he worked over the arrogant Canadians was fun to watch. Played them against Mexico and left them begging - not just for his help in US-Canada trade, but to help them with China.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2019 09:00 PM (bDqIh)

383 "Whats the joke ? "

#twodecades

Posted by: a face eating spider at October 07, 2019 09:00 PM (Tnijr)

384 Why don't we just...wait here for a little while? See what happens.

Posted by: R.J. MacReady at October 07, 2019 09:00 PM (EgshT)

385 There are no good commies

I will certainly agree enthusiastically on that point.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
----------

I haven't posted this excerpt from 'One Lonely Night' in months:

"I killed more people tonight than I have fingers on my hand. I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs in the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw and here I am calmer than I’ve ever been, and happy too. They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons of bitches who should have died long ago…"

Posted by: Robespierre, Danton, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (yAc+w)

386 a lot of people are cyncial about the crusades because anti-christian propaganda, it was a existential threat. The church got the separate nations to fight toghether.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (FEQY4)

387 From the last thread


33 The GM strike is all about getting rid of GMs inventory, making everyone forget about the UAW criminality AND destroying Michigan's economy so Trump won't win the state.
Posted by: shibumi at October 07, 2019 06:37 PM (2KYgn)

Nope, I've spoken with UAW guys from 3 different locals and they say PDT gets 50/50 support. If MI goes Dem, look at BS from Whitmer, AG and Benson, Sec of State. She is a Soros choice.

Posted by: clutch at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (Z3oWA)

388 We can crush any economy we want. I'm more than ok with this white also keeping the most powerful military in the world on hand for those Break Glass moments.

Our military can only harass small sovereign states but is utterly worthless against most any other nation.

The US military absolutely couldn't handle Iran, India, China or Russia. Heck, the US military can't even figure out Afghanistan.

So the Navy is good for going after pirates, and keeping hundreds of thousands if not millions of people getting their food pellets and making mortgage payments.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (lD3vL)

389 Buckle Up!

Posted by: Pete Seria at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (7ZQe3)

390 Um, actually no, it's complicated. It was a mix. There were plenty of nobles who sold lands or borrowed money to go crusading, even the first one. The whole population pressure and dumping landless nobles theory has pretty much fallen to the side. Yes, there were nobles looking for territory. There were also nobles who did it for religious reasons. Sometimes they were one in the same.
Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 08:59 PM (J70i0)


Of course there was a mix. I was responding to the claim there were no landless.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (y7DUB)

391 350 Heh, IC IG got caught backdating changes to 'Whistleblower' form.

Yup, everybody who downloaded it the day it came out saw it changed just a day or two before...
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (1g7ch)

IC IG? or head of the CIA.

She was not happy when she called the DOJ about the allegations and they looked at it and said, nothing here.

Then, Form Change.

Who signed off on the form change. Seems like that large of a change would have to go to the head of the CIA, not just the IG.

Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (NgKpN)

392 There were no Crusades against fellow Christians. There was a Crusade against the Cathars in southern France but the Cathars were evil. I mean, literally a cult of death which thought marriage was sinful.

The Fourth Crusade was supposed to be against Egypt but it got diverted, in a farcical series of money-raising schemes. First by Venice to some town in Dalmatia whose name I've already forgotten, then by a butthurt prince of the Angeloi exiled from Constantinople. It was never supposed to be against Christians but it ended up that way. The Pope himself excommunicated the idiots involved.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (ykYG2)

393 Oops. /Guillotine fodder

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 09:02 PM (yAc+w)

394 @371
I still don't understand how a change that substantive with far ranging legal and costing ramifications can be made on the IG's authority alone and without going through the rules change process?

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 09:02 PM (tJHro)

395 Michael Flynn (The Sci-fi author and statistician) has some good long-form blog posts on the Crusades.

http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2016/03/deus-vult-part-i-preludes.html

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 09:02 PM (SgjGX)

396 The GM strike is all about getting rid of GMs inventory, making everyone forget about the UAW criminality AND destroying Michigan's economy so Trump won't win the state.

And here I thought it was all about deer hunting season.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 09:02 PM (lD3vL)

397 Somalia was Billy Jeff

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 07, 2019 08:59 PM (flINI)

Bush got us involved in 1992.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 09:03 PM (J70i0)

398 Ron n. Bingo. What is the true purpose of a PRESIDENCY and a 4 year term, where REAL LIVE THREATS to our REPUBLIC are not ADDRESSED with the quickness. If TRUMP doesn't get it done NOW.
We may NEVER HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE.

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 09:03 PM (dMrJJ)

399 Dick's Sports destroyed 5 million dollars worth of 'Assault' rifles. They could have just given them to the Kurds .
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 08:52 PM (2DOZq)



I saw that. The buttlickers at Dick's made the conscious decision that it was worth $5 million in publicity to destroy those rifles.


I can't continue with my comments about who they really are and what should happen to them, so let me just say, fuck them in the ass with a flaming pineapple.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg



They said they did.
Just like cops say they "destroy" guns from evidence lockers. And then they show up on the streets.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2019 09:04 PM (+BbRO)

400 by go-to book on the Crusades is Paul Cobb's "The Race For Paradise". But I also read Phillips on "Crusade IV : Venetian-Greek Buggeroo".

Not the actual title.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 09:04 PM (ykYG2)

401 Isn't destroying $5 million dollars worth of a perfectly legal product some kind of violation of a company's fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders? How did Dick's get away with that?

Posted by: squeakywheel at October 07, 2019 09:04 PM (v1lPQ)

402 While I don't put it past them for one minute to do that, I looked at that metadata, and it doesn't prove that... it's definitely possible they fooled with the document, but that was date of export from MS Word to PDF - it could have been unpolluted.

Now the rules change regarding third-parties is unquestionably hinky. But sadly, unless someone admits it, alteration of documents can't be proven from the knowledge we have (in the public).
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 08:58 PM (dp68O)


I will acknowledge the creation date does not mean that there were any changes. But why recreate the form with no changes at all unless there was a bug in the fillable fields. Whatever the case, IC IG should be able to easily produce PDFs that were in fact created on/about the new forms effective date, not one created a month later.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 09:04 PM (1g7ch)

403 The US military absolutely couldn't handle Iran, India, China or Russia. Heck, the US military can't even figure out Afghanistan.

So the Navy is good for going after pirates, and keeping hundreds of thousands if not millions of people getting their food pellets and making mortgage payments.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (lD3vL)

Same thing was said before Desert Storm.

Which turned into the most lopsided victory in history.

And the military could straighten out Afghanistan toot sweet, but you would have to actually let the military do what it needs to do.

Kill people.

Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 09:04 PM (NgKpN)

404 The original Scarface is on TCM, with Osgood Perkins, father of another famous whistleblower

Posted by: REDACTED at October 07, 2019 09:04 PM (AQBtr)

405 Everybody loves Raymond of Toulouse.




His brother Robert the cop wasn't a fan

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 09:05 PM (YKkIU)

406 Did I miss the weekly posting stats? Always fun to see how many nics Ace has run...
Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat


If not on last night's ONT, possibly on tonight's ONT.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2019 09:05 PM (+BbRO)

407 Don Q. No one signed off.

This shit is obvious.

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 09:05 PM (dMrJJ)

408 If TRUMP doesn't get it done NOW.
We may NEVER HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE.
Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 09:03 PM (dMrJJ)

I don't KNOW because I AM BreathLESS from READING this OUT LOUD!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2019 09:05 PM (V2Yro)

409 The US military absolutely couldn't handle Iran, India, China or Russia.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy

They apparently do not agree.

Or you would be in language class.

Posted by: Miklos, pretty sure about this at October 07, 2019 09:05 PM (QzkSJ)

410
Trump: "He sanctions countries and puts tariffs on them and uses the banking system to shut down international finance like no president I've ever seen and not only does it appear to be working in numerous places around the world we are prospering at home."

--------
^^^^^^
This!!!

How come poor little Georgie Bush and Barry Obama could never, ever put effective sanctions on North Korea and Iran?

Why?

They always whined and pissed and moaned, "But Our Allies!" And "But The UN!"

And mostly, But CHINA and RUSSIA will not let us sanction Iran! They won't let us sanction North Korea!

Somehow President Donald Trump is able to sanction the shit out of all of them, and this while everyone in Europe, Russia, China, and the UN hate Trump's guts?

How can Trump do it?


Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 09:06 PM (+0uDE)

411 We should be sending them Bibles, not bullets.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy

Victor and Eileen Marx..All Things Possible Ministry. They do awesome work in the ME

Posted by: Sock Monkey....decidedly out of character cranky at October 07, 2019 09:06 PM (iDKtp)

412 Isn't destroying $5 million dollars worth of a perfectly legal product some kind of violation of a company's fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders? How did Dick's get away with that?
Posted by: squeakywheel


They lied?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2019 09:06 PM (+BbRO)

413 Crusade IV : Venetian-Greek Buggeroo

I saw that. The production values weren't all that great but the stunt with the 3-legged midgets collecting bull semen was orgasmic.

Posted by: Lance Ramthrust LePooff at October 07, 2019 09:06 PM (w3OLr)

414 You comin' after Joe, or anyone in his family, you comin' after me.

Posted by: C. Spartagas Booker at October 07, 2019 09:06 PM (DMUuz)

415
Damn, I always knew Skorzeny was a bad motherfucker, but I lost track of his exploits after the war.

I had no idea til now, that me merc'd the Egyptian rocket program while working for Mossad.

That is fucking crazy.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 09:07 PM (dp68O)

416 If not on last night's ONT, possibly on tonight's ONT.
Posted by: rickb223

Oh. You had to remind.

*prepares to don tinfoil lined Cap of Shame*

Posted by: Miklos, by any other nic would smell as sweet at October 07, 2019 09:07 PM (QzkSJ)

417 The intent of the crusades was good but the execution left something be desired, for the first they went on a pogrom of german jews before they ever got to jerusalem

Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:08 PM (x+C/t)

418 Posted by: squeakywheel

They lied?
**
The CEO said they 'turned them into scrap metal'. So, yeah, I suppose he could have lied...but again, my point is that not one shareholder or board member reported any complaint about this?

Posted by: squeakywheel at October 07, 2019 09:08 PM (v1lPQ)

419 Books?

Anything by Jonathan Riley-Smith and Thomas Madden, particularly the latter's Concise History of the Crusades.

Riley-Smith was the guy who started going through the old charters and looking at who actually went on crusade and how they raised the money to do so.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2019 09:08 PM (iTtBf)

420 Remember when Trump said he was thinking about making him Secretary of State. Mr. Principals had no problem running hat in hand to the man he claims is soooooo awful to beg for that job

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 08:17 PM (YKkIU)

I think Trump did this to show all of us how soulless Romney is.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 07, 2019 09:08 PM (j3npP)

421 Oh. You had to remind.

*prepares to don tinfoil lined Cap of Shame*
Posted by: Miklos


Ima stare it right in the face.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2019 09:08 PM (+BbRO)

422 And the military could straighten out Afghanistan toot sweet, but you would have to actually let the military do what it needs to do.

Kill people.
Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 09:04 PM (NgKpN)


You know when you killed enough when the survivors change their religion. Those who follow a religion called 'submit' understand this.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 09:09 PM (1g7ch)

423 Isn't destroying $5 million dollars worth of a perfectly legal product some kind of violation of a company's fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders? How did Dick's get away with that?
Posted by: squeakywheel
-------

Consider: Duke Power guaranteed a $10 Million loan to finance the 2012 Dem Convention. The Dems defaulted...never made a good faith effort to pay the loan. Duke Power stockholders ended up eating the f*cking loan.

Under ordinary circumstances, that would have been fraud. BUT, the state AG was a Dem, who did nothing. He is now Governor.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2019 09:09 PM (yAc+w)

424 The intent of the crusades was good but the execution left something be desired, for the first they went on a pogrom of german jews before they ever got to jerusalem
Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:08 PM (x+C/t)


Meh, in a lot of places Pogroms were pretty much what you did on a Saturday night when you were bored. It's hard to blame the Crusades specifically for that.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 09:09 PM (SgjGX)

425 Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 09:06 PM (+0uDE)

That is true about China but not Iran and NK regard to Bush. What money do you think Obama gave back to Iran?

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 09:09 PM (2DOZq)

426 Isn't destroying $5 million dollars worth of a perfectly legal product some kind of violation of a company's fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders? How did Dick's get away with that?
Posted by: squeakywheel

The same way Duke Power "loaned" $10 million to the DNC to fund the convention in Charlotte, then
"forgave" the loan.

Posted by: Miklos, there is precedent at October 07, 2019 09:09 PM (QzkSJ)

427 Neither of whom were muslim, but were seen as heretical Christians, and who often were in violent conflict with the Church and the secular authorities.

The Church and the secular authorities were in bed with each other. Martin Luther was seen as a heretic because he believed in Grace Alone Through Faith Alone and that cut out Rome from getting a paid commission for individual sins.

You start messing with a corrupt organization's graft and you should expect them to come after you.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (lD3vL)

428
Bush got us involved in 1992.
Posted by: WOPR


You said GWB rather than GHWB.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (aKsyK)

429 The Hammer knows.

Posted by: Miklos, there is precedent at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (QzkSJ)

430 Did I miss the weekly posting stats? Always fun to see how many nics Ace has run...
Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat

* hands bicycle seat participation trophy

Posted by: Sock Monkey....decidedly out of character cranky at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (iDKtp)

431 Yes otto who was like the big german gladiator along with russell crowe, was the real version of jon voights character in the odessa files

Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (x+C/t)

432 The crusaders actually did pretty well with logistics, all things considered, and they learned very fast. The steadily increasing ability of Europe to raise large amounts of money and move large numbers of men long distances is one of the seldom-noted aspects of the crusades.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2019 08:54 PM (iTtBf)


I never meant to imply that there weren't rich participants bankrolling it but I think you're overstating how smoothly things went as far as feeding the mammoth number of people along the way, particularly going through areas where agriculture wasn't able to produce surpluses. Even Constantinople shit their britches at what to do with them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (y7DUB)

433 The Biden Clan is a shifty lot of reservoir dawgs with an appetite for cocaine and corruption. And trains.

Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (kLDv+)

434 Under ordinary circumstances, that would have been fraud. BUT, the state AG was a Dem, who did nothing. He is now Governor.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc
***
Yikes. It is truly concerning when I think that we are supposed to be a nation of laws, yet there are so many examples of us simply being a nation of men. And not good ones, either!

Posted by: squeakywheel at October 07, 2019 09:11 PM (v1lPQ)

435 407 Don Q. No one signed off.

This shit is obvious.
Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 09:05 PM (dMrJJ)

sorry, having worked for the government, there IS a paper trail.

Someone changed it, then someone else in IT had to upload the dang thing.

The amount of people who had permission to change a document at that level in an IT sense, would be minimal.

AND, as every damn IT system I ever worked on for the government had Logging turned on? It should be eminently possible to find out who did the change, and when.

Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 09:11 PM (NgKpN)

436 Dick's destroyed $5Mil in weapons which resulted in a $250 Mil loss of revenue. Peanuts folks, investors were all for I.....according to CEO.

Posted by: StellasTwoCents at October 07, 2019 09:12 PM (KSBDE)

437 And the military could straighten out Afghanistan toot sweet, but you would have to actually let the military do what it needs to do.

Kill people.
Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 09:04 PM (NgKpN)

Normally I'd agree but Russia had no ROE except Kill everything you see, including women and children. I don't know if that works in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 09:12 PM (2DOZq)

438 Isn't destroying $5 million dollars worth of a perfectly legal product some kind of violation of a company's fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders? How did Dick's get away with that?

I lay odds if someone were to do the research that the destruction of the firearms made Dick's eligible for being included in the "Socially Responsible" investment funds that many large institutions are subscribing to.

A five million write-off to get a seat at the relatively small table of university endowment and large tech 401k funds.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 09:13 PM (lD3vL)

439 432 The crusaders actually did pretty well with logistics, all things considered, and they learned very fast. The steadily increasing ability of Europe to raise large amounts of money and move large numbers of men long distances is one of the seldom-noted aspects of the crusades.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2019 08:54 PM (iTtBf)

I never meant to imply that there weren't rich participants bankrolling it but I think you're overstating how smoothly things went as far as feeding the mammoth number of people along the way, particularly going through areas where agriculture wasn't able to produce surpluses. Even Constantinople shit their britches at what to do with them.

========

right, imagine if 300 years from now, people talking about WWII or whatever focused on how General Motors really bankrolled the whole thing or Bethlehem Steel.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 09:13 PM (FEQY4)

440 You start messing with a corrupt organization's graft and you should expect them to come after you.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy


Luther had a lot of help from German princes eager to get in on some of that graft themselves.

But yes, to some extent, that's whaddaboutism. The Renaissance Papacy - the whole Curia - was a sorry lot of crooks and slovens. They deserved Luther and all the princes who used Luther as an excuse.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at October 07, 2019 09:13 PM (ykYG2)

441 AND, as every damn IT system I ever worked on for the government had Logging turned on? It should be eminently possible to find out who did the change, and when.

As has been observed by others, K-Mart has better security than our government.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2019 09:14 PM (lD3vL)

442 What do we hope to gain by staying in Afghanistan? Nothing worth a shit there. We should have left long ago imho.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at October 07, 2019 09:15 PM (0OmEj)

443 Normally I'd agree but Russia had no ROE except Kill everything you see, including women and children. I don't know if that works in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 09:12 PM (2DOZq)

They are a tough people, but we were arming them against the Soviets back then.

In modern times, you have to break the will to fight. As long as there are powerful allies out there, it is difficult.

Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 09:15 PM (NgKpN)

444 You start messing with a corrupt organization's graft and you should expect them to come after you.



Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy


If only there were some recent event that was similar...

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at October 07, 2019 09:15 PM (qu+gO)

445
Yes otto who was like the big german gladiator along with russell crowe, was the real version of jon voights character in the odessa files
Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (x+C/t

-----

Yeah... I knew he was involved in Odessa, and that he kept spooking around Europe, but that was it.

The fact that he ended up doing serious, big-time dirt for Mossad practically beggars belief.

What a life.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 09:16 PM (dp68O)

446 Crusade IV : Venetian-Greek Buggeroo

The Venetians took major pipe building all those transport ships only the huge number of customers was as badly predicted as global warming. Oops.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 09:16 PM (y7DUB)

447 They deserved Luther and all the princes who used Luther as an excuse.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo

99 theses nailed to the door
99 theses nailed
Take one down
Pass it around
98 theses nailed to the door

Posted by: Miklos the Hussite at October 07, 2019 09:16 PM (QzkSJ)

448 Dick's destroyed $5Mil in weapons which resulted in a $250 Mil loss of revenue. Peanuts folks, investors were all for I.....according to CEO.
Posted by: StellasTwoCents


And the CEO lied like a Sonofabitch.

He had them returned, pocketed the $5 million, declared they were destroyed, and wrote it off.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2019 09:16 PM (+BbRO)

449 General Motors really bankrolled the whole thing or Bethlehem Steel.

They did. The Lizardoid Ruling Council told 'em to, after the plot to impregnate all those really ugly left wing chicks failed in the 30's...

Posted by: P. Ronstar at October 07, 2019 09:16 PM (w3OLr)

450

IC IG? or head of the CIA.

She was not happy when she called the DOJ about the allegations and they looked at it and said, nothing here.

Then, Form Change.

Who signed off on the form change. Seems like that large of a change would have to go to the head of the CIA, not just the IG.
Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 09:01 PM (NgKpN)

-------

The same head of the CIA that was the London Station Chief when Christopher Steele, Misfud, Amb. Alexander Downer and the Democrats were ginning up the Russian Collusion hoax in Londo England?

That head of the CIA?

Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 09:17 PM (+0uDE)

451 "A five million write-off to get a seat at the relatively small table of university endowment and large tech 401k funds"



I don't think you can write off the willful destruction of your own assets.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 07, 2019 09:17 PM (4thlk)

452 Bush got us involved in 1992.
Posted by: WOPR

You said GWB rather than GHWB.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (aKsyK)

And that's like blaming Eisenhower for 1974 Vietnam.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 09:17 PM (2DOZq)

453 The Church had a complicated relationship with secular authorities. Often the Church clashed with local rulers over issues such as who had authority to fill ecclesiastical appointments. Local lords liked to give away particularly juicy bishophorics and dioceses to favorites. The Inquisition was started in large part because the Church sought to remove questions of heresy from the secular legal system.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 09:17 PM (SgjGX)

454
I never meant to imply that there weren't rich participants bankrolling it but I think you're overstating how smoothly things went as far as feeding the mammoth number of people along the way, particularly going through areas where agriculture wasn't able to produce surpluses. Even Constantinople shit their britches at what to do with them.


The First Crusade had issues, but given that the force was several times the size of a typical large army of the time (William the Conqueror had 5000 men at Hastings, whereas the Crusaders had 20,000 or so) I think that just getting that army through Anatolia was a pretty big achievement. By the third Crusade they seem to have pretty much nailed moving armies across continents.

John French has written a book specifically on the logistics of the First Crusade, but while I own it I haven't yet read it. Given his other work I have read, I suspect that it is pretty good.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2019 09:17 PM (iTtBf)

455 hey all,

FBI Lovebirds is being streamed live on u-tube right now. 9pm eastern it started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCutKd11kjg&feature=youtu.be&mc_cid=735ba87568&mc_eid=9358c87637

kristy Swanson and Dean Cain

Cool, it might be hard to find it on u-tube since they probably won't highlight it in searches. Good luck.

Posted by: sassy at October 07, 2019 09:18 PM (tUGnI)

456 Bam! Blown margins!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2019 09:18 PM (+BbRO)

457


The thing is if the Eastern Roman Empire and Persian Empire hadn't spent the previous 20 years knocking the shit out of each other before the goat fucker's followers decided to go on their conquesting ways both empires could have stopped them in their tracks and the world would have been a better place. But both empires were bled white at that point and couldn't stop them. Well the Romans were able to hold the line at the Taurus Mountains in Anatolia

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 09:19 PM (YKkIU)

458
I had all those rifles destroyed by shipping them to Mexico.

Come visit my Swiss ski chalet sometime, it's really nice.

Posted by: Dick's CEO at October 07, 2019 09:19 PM (w3OLr)

459
And apparently, Skorzeny's Mossad handler even attended his funeral!

So fuckin' weird. Wild stuff.

I always like to learn things that shock me, and it's rare, and this whole thing is one of them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 09:20 PM (dp68O)

460 Well there was more than a little truth in gravitys rainbow re western business interests in germany pre war, chase morgan gm and co.

Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:20 PM (x+C/t)

461 mushroom maniac, wanna talk about the devastation the Crusaders left in their wake.

Talk about feeding 200,000 men moving through a countryside

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2019 09:20 PM (151Du)

462 I had all those rifles destroyed by shipping them to Mexico.

Come visit my Swiss ski chalet sometime, it's really nice.
Posted by: Dick's CEO

Bought it for cash from the Marc Rich Estate, eh?

Posted by: Miklos, idly speculating at October 07, 2019 09:21 PM (QzkSJ)

463 @450
Haspel is also a Brennan acolyte.

He was positively busting his buttons when Trump nominated her.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 09:21 PM (tJHro)

464 The long term advantage and strategy , until Obama fucked it up , was a military presence on either side of Iran, ( Iraq and Afghanistan)

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 09:21 PM (2DOZq)

465 Mitt seems to be aghast at the thought that sweet deals for politicians kids might be investigated.

So what do Mitt's kids do for a living?

Posted by: Just Curious at October 07, 2019 09:21 PM (ZTDnL)

466 Americans landed in Normandy in June 1944 and the German's surrendered in May of 1945. I think Trump's ROE would be closer to the one in Normandy than the one in Afghanistan for the last 18 years.

Posted by: Puddy Nose at October 07, 2019 09:21 PM (K22Va)

467 Biden is fadin'.

Posted by: Rightleaning Rapporteur at October 07, 2019 09:21 PM (UIQou)

468 kristy Swanson and Dean Cain

Cool, it might be hard to find it on u-tube since they probably won't highlight it in searches. Good luck.
Posted by: sassy at October 07, 2019 09:18 PM (tUGnI)


Kristy Swanson is MILFy.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 07, 2019 09:21 PM (SgjGX)

469 mushroom maniac, wanna talk about the devastation the Crusaders left in their wake.

Talk about feeding 200,000 men moving through a countryside

===

well, the muslim invaders skinned people alive and boiled them in oil, so ...

but I can imagine it's a whole thing to do that, and Europe wasn't rome anymore.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 09:21 PM (FEQY4)

470 98 theses nailed to the door
Posted by: Miklos the Hussite at October 07, 2019 09:16 PM (QzkSJ)

Ann Margret's 13 men is a bit more stimulating.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 09:22 PM (2B9A/)

471 Normally I'd agree but Russia had no ROE except Kill
everything you see, including women and children. I don't know if that
works in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 09:12 PM (2DOZq)

The Russians were brutal and they still couldn't lock down the country.

Horde Member: We'll take to the hills and the Lefty's even with the military won't be able to stop us.
Horde Member: We just need to kill more people in Afghanistan.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 09:22 PM (J70i0)

472 dean is quite the hottie too.

Posted by: sassy at October 07, 2019 09:22 PM (tUGnI)

473 They have been so successful at their corruption they filed a trademark for Biden Crime Family.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 07, 2019 09:22 PM (r+sAi)

474 Who in the MSM should or would Trump allow to moderate a Presidential debate? I can't think of anyone.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at October 07, 2019 09:23 PM (9BmSv)

475 On his downtime, otto was training the plo (probably even the black prince himself) and the ira. Truth stramger than fiction, certainly robert ludlums

Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:23 PM (x+C/t)

476 Liawatha's victim lies are very interesting.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 07, 2019 09:24 PM (PUmDY)

477 Logistics are an interesting subject. I recall reading that the 1500 or so horses William I took with him when invading England probably produced about a hogshead (63 gallons) of urine and a cart full of manure a day. Probably one reason why he was reluctant to remain encamped any longer than necessary....

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2019 09:24 PM (iTtBf)

478 That is true about China but not Iran and NK regard to Bush. What money do you think Obama gave back to Iran?
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 09:09 PM (2DOZq)

-------

That was the money impounded by Carter and Reagan way back in the 1980's. Back when the Shah had money invested in the West, and even Europe agreed to confiscate the money from the fanatics in Iran.

Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 09:24 PM (+0uDE)

479 >>So what do Mitt's kids do for a living?

See: Tagg Romney and his Solamere Capital.
He founded in 2009 (IIRC), and then Mitt joined after his loss in 2012. Venture capital, government contracts, China yada yada yada.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 07, 2019 09:25 PM (bDqIh)

480 That's a lot of urine.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 09:25 PM (2B9A/)

481 Maybe some of you "slow learners" could stick to the issue????

Trump is worse than MAO, STALIN, HITLER and POL POT combined.

Try to keep up.

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 09:25 PM (dMrJJ)

482 All things considered, I would not say Frederick Barbarossa had mastered moving across continents.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 07, 2019 09:25 PM (H5knJ)

483 I know I'm at the right website because the thread started two hours ago about Democrat/media perfidy and when I scroll down to the bottom, we're talking about the crusades.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2019 09:25 PM (t+qrx)

484 The word the russians use is zachista, its their understanding of search and destroy. They have interrogation facilities called filtration centers, basically open pits, abu ghraib is like club med in comparison.

Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:26 PM (x+C/t)

485 @BillPascrell

William Barr is aiding and abetting trump's constitutional crime spree. Barr should be impeached, but also face professional sanctions for his attacks on the rule of law. Today I filed complaints w/ the DC and VA bars calling for Barr's law license to be revoked.


He doesn't sound worried at all.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2019 09:26 PM (ZLI7S)

486 That was the money impounded by Carter and Reagan way back in the 1980's. Back when the Shah had money invested in the West, and even Europe agreed to confiscate the money from the fanatics in Iran.

Posted by: rd at October 07, 2019 09:24 PM (+0uDE)

Yes so I don't understand what you're saying. Bush didn't release that money and sanctions and embargoes were placed on both Iran and NK.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 09:26 PM (2DOZq)

487 And the military could straighten out Afghanistan
toot sweet, but you would have to actually let the military do what it
needs to do.



Kill people.


Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2019 09:04 PM (NgKpN)

You forgot "break stuff"!

Posted by: pookysgirl, storming the bureaucratic battlements at October 07, 2019 09:26 PM (XKZwp)

488
Logistics are an interesting subject. I recall reading that the 1500 or
so horses William I took with him when invading England probably
produced about a hogshead (63 gallons) of urine and a cart full of
manure a day. Probably one reason why he was reluctant to remain
encamped any longer than necessary....


1500 horses? That better be a big cart.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivismisruin at October 07, 2019 09:26 PM (HaL55)

489 Trump is worse than MAO, STALIN, HITLER and POL POT combined.

Try to keep up.
Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 09:25 PM (dMrJJ)

You actually ordered them pretty well by kill count of their own people. Good eye for detail.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 09:26 PM (2B9A/)

490 @474

The last somewhat fair moderator was Jim Leherer who moderated the Romney/Obama debate in 2012.

Other than that one instance I can't think of a fairly moderated debate in my lifetime.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 09:27 PM (tJHro)

491 Weird that the Browns invited Joe Biden to make their offensive play calls tonight. Maybe we should offer Nick Bosa money to take the night off.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2019 09:27 PM (NVYyb)

492 Still thinking about the earlier comments by the military. We have civilians in charge of the military for a reason. And the President has treated military members with respect and done everything he can to make their lives easier. If this is how they pay him back, F them. Because they don't know the information he has that he made his decision on. And I'm not in favor of spending any more money in the Middle East. Let the countries there deal with their own problems.

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 07, 2019 09:28 PM (JKNZq)

493 So what do Mitt's kids do for a living?



Taggart passes on plates of beans.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2019 09:28 PM (+BbRO)

494 I won't respond to that defensive scheme!

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 07, 2019 09:29 PM (PUmDY)

495 mushroom maniac, I'm simply talking logistics. Not why the Crusades but the toll it took on the communities along their path.

I will have to refind the link for the book about this.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2019 09:29 PM (151Du)

496 Therapy horses.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 07, 2019 09:29 PM (PUmDY)

497 Any of you Morons visite Glenlivit dist. No words! scotch whiskey tide pods!

Epic troll or the stupid just got worse.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at October 07, 2019 09:29 PM (0OmEj)

498 496 Therapy horses.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 07, 2019 09:29 PM (PUmDY)

Probably just a bit bigger and more ornery. Warhorses, I mean.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 07, 2019 09:30 PM (2B9A/)

499 The First Crusade had issues, but given that the force was several times the size of a typical large army of the time (William the Conqueror had 5000 men at Hastings, whereas the Crusaders had 20,000 or so) I think that just getting that army through Anatolia was a pretty big achievement. By the third Crusade they seem to have pretty much nailed moving armies across continents.

Absolutely they learned from the first which as you said was unprecedentedly huge. Plus wearing armor in the heat wasn't good for men or horses, particularly with scant water supplies. But the learning curve for moving large numbers across continents was surmounted pretty effectively.

Thanks for the book recs.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 07, 2019 09:30 PM (y7DUB)

500 Bush got us involved in 1992.

Posted by: WOPR



You said GWB rather than GHWB.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 09:10 PM (aKsyK)



And that's like blaming Eisenhower for 1974 Vietnam.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 09:17 PM (2DOZq)
Cabot, you're being a bit pedantic there. Based on the time period, GWB was plenty obvious.

What, the failed raid was in 1993. I don't think Clinton would have gone into Somalia. At least not until he needed to wag the dog and not in any risky manner. I'm not saying he didn't screw up. But, it never would have happened had Bush not gotten us involved.

Posted by: WOPR at October 07, 2019 09:30 PM (J70i0)

501 No Blood for Kurds!

Posted by: Quilp at October 07, 2019 09:30 PM (Bf3hj)

502 Bill Pascrell represents one of the most corrupt areas in New Jersey, one of the most corrupt states in the union. What an asshole.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2019 09:31 PM (NVYyb)

503


Damn, I always knew Skorzeny was a bad motherfucker, but I lost track of his exploits after the war.



Watch your mouth.


I'm just talkin' about Skorzeny

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 09:31 PM (YKkIU)

504 OT but if you want to support Sean Spicer at DWTS you can vote for about 20 more minutes. I consider it a political statement to vote for him.

Posted by: Iris at October 07, 2019 09:32 PM (6lKe4)

505 So if the right people are complaining about Syria, I think I am OK with it. Tired of lives and treasure wasted in those hell holes. We need to abandon nation building. Fuck with us we will level your shit and leave the smoldering ashes, period, have a nice day.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 07, 2019 09:34 PM (xUvz+)

506 The last somewhat fair moderator was Jim Leherer who moderated the Romney/Obama debate in 2012.

The Jim Lehrer who made millions working for taxpayer funded PBS and said "I don't have a boss. I don't answer to anybody"?

Posted by: Miklos, with a Red Man spit at October 07, 2019 09:34 PM (QzkSJ)

507 Skorzeny was only doing what OBAMA ordered him to do.
What was he supposed to do? Be honest and disobey OBAMA, or FOLLOW ORDERS???

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 09:34 PM (dMrJJ)

508 Yes he was he commuted from spain to egypt sometimes argentina, also had comtacts in ireland as well as with mossad.

Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:34 PM (x+C/t)

509 1,500 horses would produce close to 7,000 gallons of urine a day.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2019 09:35 PM (151Du)

510 The Jim Lehrer who made millions working for taxpayer funded PBS and said "I don't have a boss. I don't answer to anybody"?
Posted by: Miklos, with a Red Man spit at October 07, 2019 09:34 PM (QzkSJ)


The only Lehrer I trust poisons pigeons.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2019 09:35 PM (t+qrx)

511
I just heard some English voiceover guy refer to the destruction of Novgorod by the Oprichniki as "brutal and pointless."

Brutal, yes. Pointless, no.

No more pointless than their destruction of the boyars. The boyars would never again control Russia (though they would attempt to and fail), and Novgorod would never again challenge the supremacy of Muscovy.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 09:35 PM (dp68O)

512

Both Michael Savage and Mark Levin are opposed to getting out of Syria.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 09:36 PM (aKsyK)

513 When did THE FULL COMMIE DEMOCRATS oppose Russia and fight for UKRAINE??

Sick bastards.

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 09:36 PM (dMrJJ)

514 Interesting... now Kamala coming to Joey Biden's defense.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 07, 2019 09:37 PM (r+sAi)

515 1,500 horses would produce close to 7,000 gallons of urine a day.
Posted by: Ben Ha

That would be for our "craft" beer brands.

Posted by: InBev Anheuser Busch at October 07, 2019 09:37 PM (QzkSJ)

516 Isn't destroying $5 million dollars worth of a perfectly legal product some kind of violation of a company's fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders?

Oh, I paid them a little money before promising to 'destroy' them.

Posted by: Eric Holder at October 07, 2019 09:37 PM (EYsyU)

517 @506
I didn't say he wasn't a dick bag only that he was somewhat fair.

Remember, the debate he moderated was the debate that Romney was said to have won, which was quickly corrected in subsequent debates, the Candy Crwoley debate most notably.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 09:37 PM (tJHro)

518
Both Michael Savage and Mark Levin are opposed to getting out of Syria.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 09:36 PM (aKsyK)
********
Neither one has Foreign Policy as their strong suit

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 07, 2019 09:38 PM (BqBId)

519
When did THE FULL COMMIE DEMOCRATS oppose Russia

Berlin when the wall fell.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 09:38 PM (aKsyK)

520 McRib is back.

Posted by: Quilp at October 07, 2019 09:38 PM (Bf3hj)

521 @512
That's fantastic, maybe they can deploy their children to that theater.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 09:38 PM (tJHro)

522 Mutt Rumbley couldn't win a debate with HIMSELF.
Or Greta.......YOU HAVE STOLEN MY VIRGINITY".

Posted by: SUG at October 07, 2019 09:39 PM (dMrJJ)

523 Michael Savage and Mark Levin are opposed to getting out of Syria.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2019 09:36 PM

I understand reasonable people can disagree. The problem is that Turkey is a NATO member. I don't know all the reasons Trump has for pulling them out. We are talking a tiny number of troops in the grand scheme of things, not sure what their mission is really. I think it's time we change our stance on where we are in the ME.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 07, 2019 09:39 PM (xUvz+)

524
The only Lehrer I trust poisons pigeons.
Posted by: hogmartin

One of my professors was Tom Lehrer's college roommate.

Pretty good sense of humor for an anthropologist.

Posted by: Miklos, with similar moustache at October 07, 2019 09:40 PM (QzkSJ)

525 but to the original point, trump points out in his oval office address how the insane leftwing fakenews is protecting biden by calling basic facts "conspiracy theories'

not off the cuff, but a tight speech

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 07, 2019 09:40 PM (FEQY4)

526 @523
Their mission is to be fodder so the MIC/globalist cabal can did their beaks in the forever war trough.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 09:40 PM (tJHro)

527 This is awesome! Clapper is throwing Obama's name out there to try and excuse his behavior.

"It's kind of disconcerting now to, you know, having be investigated now for having done our duty, and having done what we were told to do by the president"-James Clapper
******
& under the bus goes Obama

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 07, 2019 09:41 PM (BqBId)

528 The late web griffith, (william butterworth) had a charact er in his second to last series, call the entire russian security infrastructure from the 16th century to the thirs section to the okrana to the cheka all oprichnik

Posted by: Admiral marcuz at October 07, 2019 09:42 PM (x+C/t)

529 @BillPascrell

William Barr is aiding and abetting trump's constitutional crime spree. Barr should be impeached, but also face professional sanctions for his attacks on the rule of law. Today I filed complaints w/ the DC and VA bars calling for Barr's law license to be revoked.


He doesn't sound worried at all.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2019 09:26 PM (ZLI7S)


Nothing specific.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 09:42 PM (1g7ch)

530 The Kurds are our oldest allies.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 07, 2019 09:43 PM (Xqo6t)

531 @527
As said previously, I hope and pray the perturbations of the usual suspects are that they are coming to the conclusion that they may have to develop strategies on defending against prison rape.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 09:43 PM (tJHro)

532 I think it's time we change our stance on where we are in the ME.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 07, 2019 09:39 PM (xUvz+)


A wide stance. We need to send in the trannies. By the time they're done with it, the ME will be fa-a-a-a-hbulous. Or the trannies will be dead. We win either way.

Posted by: RickZ at October 07, 2019 09:43 PM (Y8PSl)

533 Is is these kinds of threads with NATO supporting old farts that make me go over and have a gander @ the Boomer death clock.

Posted by: Quilp at October 07, 2019 09:44 PM (Bf3hj)

534 PDJT is desperate to end one war before the election, either in Afpak or in Syria. Shortsighted move, I think, since we are going to have to go back in there and kill ISIS again in 2021 (after the election) but I understand why he wants it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2019 09:45 PM (NVYyb)

535 520
McRib is back.

Posted by: Quilp at October 07, 2019 09:38 PM (Bf3hj)


Made from inverted pork rectums. Yum, Yum!

Posted by: Ronald MacDonald at October 07, 2019 09:46 PM (L2A48)

536 I want winged Hussars.

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 07, 2019 09:46 PM (JKNZq)

537 520
McRib is back.

IT'S BABIES!!!!!

Posted by: Little Lupe Occupied-Cervix at October 07, 2019 09:47 PM (w3OLr)

538 Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2019 09:45 PM (NVYyb)
********
You Do Realize there are troops In Iraq & Afghanistan ??

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 07, 2019 09:47 PM (BqBId)

539 Oath of the Oprivnichki (updated):


I swear to be true to The Donald, Grand Prince, and his realm, to the young Grand Prince Barron, and to Melania the Hot, and not to maintain silence about any evil that I may know or have heard or may hear which is being contemplated against The Golden Scalpweasel, his realms, the young prince or the Lovely Missus. I swear also not to eat or drink with the hipsters or vegans, and not to have anything in common with them. On this I kiss the Lady Ivanka.

Posted by: Miklosov Miklosovich at October 07, 2019 09:48 PM (QzkSJ)

540 https://fxn.ws/2IxuUwP
*******
IG could not explain 18-day window between Ukraine call and whistleblower complaint: sources | Fox News

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 07, 2019 09:48 PM (BqBId)

541 This is awesome! Clapper is throwing Obama's name out there to try and excuse his behavior.

"It's kind of disconcerting now to, you know, having be investigated now for having done our duty, and having done what we were told to do by the president"-James Clapper
******
& under the bus goes Obama
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 07, 2019 09:41 PM (BqBId)


Is that a signal by Clapper telling the IC to comply with Trump's orders?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 09:48 PM (1g7ch)

542 The Kurds are our oldest allies.

Natural Republicans!

Posted by: Your GOP betters at October 07, 2019 09:49 PM (/Sb0s)

543 Clapper throws Obama under Bush ..

Clapper admits on CNN today that Obama ordered him and others to begin spy operation against President Trump

Posted by: SMOD at October 07, 2019 09:49 PM (e8kgV)

544 I want winged Hussars.
Posted by: notsothoreau

I know a few.

Poles do their re-enactments in their own style.

Posted by: Mikloszewski at October 07, 2019 09:50 PM (QzkSJ)

545 Made from inverted pork rectums. Yum, Yum!
Posted by: Ronald MacDonald at October 07, 2019 09:46 PM (L2A4



Boneless Ribs!

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 09:50 PM (1g7ch)

546 Fuck with us we will level your shit and leave the smoldering ashes, period, have a nice day.

I think Trump has the stones to allow those that volunteer to serve their country to do their job. Anyone thinks they might fuck with us will do it only once.

Posted by: Puddy Nose at October 07, 2019 09:50 PM (K22Va)

547 Biden Crime Family. Bet Hunter's kids raked off profits from the neighborhood lemonade stand.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 07, 2019 09:50 PM (EnQC8)

548 Posted by: Miklosov Miklosovich at October 07, 2019 09:48 PM (QzkSJ)

---------

LOL.

If only.

Break out the politician-sized frying pans.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 09:51 PM (dp68O)

549 Clapper admits on CNN today that Obama ordered him and others to begin spy operation against President Trump
Posted by: SMOD at October 07, 2019 09:49 PM (e8kgV)

Whaaaa... ?! That seems like a big fact.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 07, 2019 09:52 PM (Xqo6t)

550 Clapper admits on CNN today that Obama ordered him and others to begin spy operation against President Trump
Posted by: SMOD at October 07, 2019 09:49 PM (e8kgV)

Whaaaa... ?! That seems like a big fact.
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 07, 2019 09:52 PM (Xqo6t)


"By the book, or fake it"

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2019 09:53 PM (1g7ch)

551 Clapper admits on CNN today that Obama ordered him and others to begin spy operation against President Trump

Where did you see this?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivismisruin at October 07, 2019 09:53 PM (HaL55)

552 Obama will come.

Posted by: Clapper at October 07, 2019 09:54 PM (L2A48)

553 Hunter Biden on the stand, explaining why a junkie gets $50k a month from a foreign corrupt entity under investigation. Must see TV. Cannot wait.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2019 09:54 PM (NVYyb)

554 Just get the fuck out of the Middle East. There's nothing we can do over there. There is no regime change that will "fix" anything.

Every leader over there... Every "thinker" over there... Every PERSON over there is completely interchangeable.

Fence it off and let it rot.

Posted by: RKae at October 07, 2019 09:56 PM (R8sFo)

555 Hunter Biden on the stand, explaining why a junkie gets $50k a month from a foreign corrupt entity under investigation. Must see TV. Cannot wait.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

His divorce case is still in the discovery phase.


Discovery hath no fury like a scorned woman wanting hella cash.

Posted by: Miklos, unpaid commentator at October 07, 2019 09:57 PM (QzkSJ)

556 OT: LOL if anyone cares, Sean made it through to another week on DWTS.

Posted by: Iris at October 07, 2019 09:58 PM (6lKe4)

557
Obama will come.

Posted by: Clapper at October 07, 2019 09:54 PM (L2A4



That's what she Reggie said

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 07, 2019 09:58 PM (YKkIU)

558 551
Clapper admits on CNN today that Obama ordered him and others to begin spy operation against President Trump

This one today?

http://tinyurl.com/yylc9pdk

Posted by: Puddy Nose at October 07, 2019 09:58 PM (K22Va)

559 All debates should be held and moderated by C-Span. Offer a pool feed to networks. No MSM involvement.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 07, 2019 09:59 PM (Op9So)

560 That was weird. I got home from work, turned on my computer, and I had no internet connection. I unplugged and replugged the modem and router, but still nothing. So I went downstairs for awhile to read, and also listen to the news radio station to see if Comcast was having an outage.

I didn't hear anything, so after a while I went back upstairs figuring I'd have to call Comcast. The computer was still on, but the screen was black. I tried restarting it a couple of times, and nothing. Now I thought I had a hardware problem, but I didn't know what was wrong or even how to go about finding out what was wrong.

I shut it off in despair and went back downstairs. After another hour I went back upstairs and tried turning it on again. This time everything worked. I have no idea what that was all about.

Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2019 09:59 PM (yQlY7)

561
Brennan is a treacherous, self-dealing little shitweasel?!

I refuse to believe this!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 10:00 PM (dp68O)

562 Community Service Announcement:
Apple OS Catalina is available for download and update, do not download and update if you produce music or use any DAW software.

It will brick your music software, your vst's, AAUs, etc.

You must get updated software for pretty much your entire music software library.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 07, 2019 10:00 PM (tJHro)

563 His divorce case is in discovery?

How is that possible? I thought we heard he was already remarried...

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2019 10:00 PM (NVYyb)

564 hiya

Posted by: ALH at October 07, 2019 10:00 PM (sMGhD)

565 -
--
Hunter Biden on the stand, explaining why a junkie
gets $50k a month from a foreign corrupt entity under investigation.
Must see TV. Cannot wait.

Posted by: Huck Follywood



His divorce case is still in the discovery phase.





Discovery hath no fury like a scorned woman wanting hella cash.

Posted by: Miklos, unpaid commentator at October 07, 2019 09:57 PM

--------------------

If need be, she, her lawyer, and the judge can be bought.


Posted by: Deep pocketed Deep State at October 07, 2019 10:01 PM (RVcmP)

566 Clapper admits on CNN today that Obama ordered him and others to begin spy operation against President Trump

Clapper is a pathological liar. Nothing he says is believable, in fact he could be called to testify on the stand and the court would consider anything he says to be perjury.

Posted by: 🐧 at October 07, 2019 10:01 PM (lD3vL)

567 Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2019 09:59 PM (yQlY7)


Just a routine test. Everything checked out.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at October 07, 2019 10:02 PM (L2A48)

568 FACT: Every 45 seconds, a woman in the United States is sexually assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh!!!!

Posted by: WaterCow at October 07, 2019 10:02 PM (NH9pa)

569 Clapper threatened Obama. He is too smart to threaten Hillary.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2019 10:02 PM (NVYyb)

570 Clapper on CNN:
https://mobile.twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1181374339335114752

Posted by: Toni at October 07, 2019 10:02 PM (RdRuc)

571 Rickl, honey, that is the way God says turn off stuff and read a book.

Posted by: StellasTwoCents at October 07, 2019 10:02 PM (KSBDE)

572 Clapper, I mean. But they are both shitweasels. So, whatever. I'm still right.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2019 10:03 PM (dp68O)

573 569 Clapper threatened Obama. He is too smart to threaten Hillary.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2019 10:02 PM

He's a stone cold creep. But he wants to live.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 07, 2019 10:03 PM (urYkN)

574 Thanks, Bob. Glad you guys are on the job!

Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2019 10:04 PM (yQlY7)

575 Nood.

Posted by: Linn Ridge at October 07, 2019 10:04 PM (ECrgQ)

576 Clapper admits on CNN today that Obama ordered him and others to begin spy operation against President Trump

Clapper is a pathological liar. Nothing he says is believable, in fact he could be called to testify on the stand and the court would consider anything he says to be perjury.
Posted by: at October 07, 2019 10:01 PM (lD3vL)

He committed perjury in his Congressional testimony and nothing happened to him. Must be nice to have an infinite get out of jail card.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 07, 2019 10:04 PM (2DOZq)

577 It's 10:03. Do you know where your ONT is?
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=383620

Posted by: Public Serface Announncemmennt at October 07, 2019 10:04 PM (fBape)

578 So, whatever. I'm still right.

Translate that to Latin and you have a good moron family motto.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2019 10:04 PM (NVYyb)

579 ONT. Run corgis, run!

Posted by: Cynicism is Policy at October 07, 2019 10:04 PM (fOqG5)

580 If need be, she, her lawyer, and the judge can be bought.


Posted by: Deep pocketed Deep State

Not yet.

She is the one who testified that Hunter spent everything on hookers and blow (she actually said that).

Posted by: Miklos, shrugging like a French guy at October 07, 2019 10:06 PM (QzkSJ)

581 >>> We need to send in the trannies.<<<

Next thing you know, the Army Song will be replaced with These Boots Are Made for Walking.

Posted by: Fritz at October 07, 2019 10:12 PM (kLDv+)

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