Hey Big Government, Here's A Novel idea: Mind Your Own Damned Business

Try fixing the potholes and the porous borders and try to get a handle on your out-of-control spending and the obscene lawlessness among your law enforcement agencies. When you are done with that there is a long list of other significant issues that need to be addressed. And then maybe you get to worry about what private citizens do to themselves.

But what is most frustrating about the current brouhaha about vaping and e-cigarettes is the focus of the discussion on whether they are harmful or beneficial. That's not the point! The issue is clear; does the government get to control our private activities and behavior?

I think cigarette smoking is dumb, so I don't do it. I have no interest in vaping, so I don't do it. But if you want to do it? Have at it! As long as you are responsible for the consequences of your behavior, why is it my or the government's business?

The fact that these behaviors are far less destructive than cigarette smoking and can assist people in quitting smoking is nice...really nice! But once again, as long as there is no deleterious effect on society, why should we care? Sure, you can argue that the health effects cost us money, but that is what health insurance is for. Charge more for smokers and vapers (even though the data are sparse) if you feel like it.

Setting the Record Straight on Vaping

There’s a lot to unpack from this recent piece in The Federalist written by my friend and former White House advisor, Katy Talento, which endorses government plans to limit access to e-cigarette devices and flavors. I’ll take her main arguments — which are the ones most commonly made to support vaping bans — one at a time.

Vaping Is Just as Bad as Smoking

Katy belittles the idea that vaping is a public health win. Yet harm reduction is a valid goal, and vaping has helped millions quit traditional, combustible cigarettes. This is in part because vaping allows people to continue to mimic the physical act of smoking (which is particularly important to women) but with a device that delivers the nicotine in a safer, non-carcinogenic way.

Don’t take my word for it. Consider the positions of Public Health England, the Royal College of Physicians, and Cancer Research U.K., all of which endorse e-cigarettes as an effective smoking cessation tool. A recent study published in the New England Journal of Medicine confirms the efficacy of these devices, finding that smokers who used e-cigarettes were twice as likely as those who used other smoking cessation tools to successfully quit smoking. And these public health organizations estimate that vaping is 95 percent less harmful than smoking. Even the FDA admits that vaping is safer than traditional smoking.

That's all great, and it exposes the Left's mania about control of every facet of our lives, except of course killing babies. But conspicuous in its absence is a substantive discussion of free will, of freedom from interference by the government, of liberty to make our own decisions.

Oh...the article is from The National Review, and it is a morass of statist, big-government love. That the author stumbled onto the correct conclusion seems to be coincidence. I wonder what William F. Buckley would have said?

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1 That's all great, and it exposes the Left's mania about control of every facet of our lives, except of course killing babies.

My lunatic constituents tell me they are delicious.

Posted by: Little Lupe at October 06, 2019 12:19 PM (EgshT)

2 Bwahahaha.
Surely you jest?
**Big Gov'mint'

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2019 12:19 PM (5R5/9)

3 Nancy's hubby lost $2 million on an options bet on NetFlix. Wonder how quickly she's going to have Big Government going after the meanies that tricked poor old Paul?

Posted by: Ever at October 06, 2019 12:25 PM (ZZDMQ)

4
Believe it or not, this country's mints used to issue coins with "Mind Your Business" as the motto.

The first was the Fugio cent, a copper coin designed by Benjamin Franklin as first issued in 1787.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugio_cent

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:27 PM (pNxlR)

5 It takes a commie village.

Posted by: Little Lupe at October 06, 2019 12:28 PM (EgshT)

6 It boils down to control, nothing more and nothing less.


The haunting feeling that someone, somewhere might be having a good time.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2019 12:28 PM (JUOKG)

7 That's a vapid argument.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 06, 2019 12:29 PM (mvenn)

8 That's a vapid argument.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 06, 2019 12:29 PM (mvenn)

Puffery is more appreciated than criticism.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 06, 2019 12:30 PM (wYseH)

9
Is Greta the Swedish Climate Golem still on a hunger strike?

Unless she's only consuming lutefisk broth to sustain her addlepated self, I question her true level of commitment.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:30 PM (pNxlR)

10
Where do matters stand on vaping babies?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:31 PM (pNxlR)

11
Anti-vapers are nothing more than steamed punks.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:32 PM (pNxlR)

12 Eh, I can't get too steamed about this vaping thing.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 06, 2019 12:32 PM (mvenn)

13 And once again, focusing on what government is doing is sorta like trying to put the toothpaste back in the barn, after it's already escaped from the asylum.

Government is going after vaping because the Big Tobacco Industrial Complex, and the Big Pharma NRT Industrial Complex don't like the fact that vaping is OFTEN a safer alternative to smoking, AND a more effective means of quitting that shitty NRTs.

So govie is doing the bidding of their masters, the big corporations who own the politicians.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 12:32 PM (hku12)

14 I'm sorry Trump got involved in this nonsense. I suppose it's obligatory these days that our Presidents care about every little thing.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 06, 2019 12:32 PM (H8QX8)

15 Buckley would have learned to cuss well. Really well.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 06, 2019 12:33 PM (9PtLS)

16 Puffery is more appreciated than criticism.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


******

Hey, blow it out yer...

...well...

...just blow it out!

Posted by: Muldoon at October 06, 2019 12:33 PM (mvenn)

17 The Government is out of control.

The idea of the sovereign citizen who is an adult and decide for themselves, has been supplanted by the Nanny State.

And just like anyone who has been in a modern classroom knows, its the whiners, the idiots, the Foreign, and the Handicapped, who garner all the attention.

Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 12:34 PM (NgKpN)

18 Where do matters stand on vaping babies?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:31 PM (pNxlR)


Only do it while they're still getting only mother's milk for nutrition. As soon as they get "solid" foods, or if they're on formula, they taste terrible.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 12:34 PM (hku12)

19 Why endure the pain of having to think for yourself when we will magnanimously do it for you?

Posted by: Little Lupe at October 06, 2019 12:35 PM (EgshT)

20 Did vaping kill Ginger Baker?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Former Medic at October 06, 2019 12:35 PM (x8Wzq)

21 >>Sure, you can argue that the health effects cost us money, but that is what health insurance is for.


What is annoying about the "but the healthcare costs!" argument is that they only care about the costs for uncool (i.e. non-elitist) habits and activities.

Rock climbing is very dangerous, so are motorcycles and scooters - even bicycles. Hey, I could even argue that pot is dangerous* because it gives you the munchies that make you eat bad food. Try selling a ban on those things in SF

And really, why do cigars get ignored? Oh, right, because rich elitists like their imported cigars! But those blue collar hicks and their tobacco - they are the WORST!


*Don't want to turn this into a pro/anti pot battle.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:36 PM (bDqIh)

22
If cigarette smokers switched to vaping, we'd not score enough tobacco products' tax revenue to support the childrens' vaccination programs, you insensitive and uncaring brutes!

Similarly, if we switched from internal combustion engines to all-electric vehicles, however would we score enough fuel sales' tax revenue to support maintaining our roads?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:37 PM (pNxlR)

23 > The first was the Fugio cent, a copper coin designed by Benjamin Franklin

When you think that we had men like Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Hamilton... it's easy to believe the theory that divine providence had something to do with the founding of our country.

Yeah, some of those guys hated each other, and yeah, they were men, not angels. But they also weren't Mugabe, Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, Chavez, Castro...

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 12:37 PM (vA4O3)

24 >>Eh, I can't get too steamed about this vaping thing.

It's all hookah-m!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:37 PM (bDqIh)

25 Trump has issued an executive order to cut the National Security Council stave to the bone. It formerly had about 100 members, but ballooned to 400 under Jugears.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 12:38 PM (vA4O3)

26 Peasant obey your overlords

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2019 12:39 PM (LYheq)

27 You haven't seen big govt yet.


Soon.

Posted by: 2020 Dems at October 06, 2019 12:39 PM (B/g/o)

28 If you only use your Juul during your commute are you a vindshield vaper?

Posted by: Muldoon at October 06, 2019 12:39 PM (mvenn)

29 The other day I was listening to the news radio station, and they said New Jersey has convened a task force to address the "vaping crisis". That's right, it's now a full-blown crisis.

Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2019 12:39 PM (sdi6R)

30
This entire discussion is vapid.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:39 PM (pNxlR)

31 I'm having a case of the Vapours.........................yes my good man place them on my Porsche I'm gonna smoke those Electric Avenue poseurs.......Last one to puff it is a sissy.




Vaping with "REAL" boogallo stuff is" safe", if inhaling shit other than air is ever SAFE!!.
Like other illegal street shit ( we are looking at you San Fran..enuf with the FIBRE) god only knows what is in the street JUICE..but dweebs be dweebs and buy it from scum 'cos its cheaper and KOOL...Go ahead Popcorn lungs are the least you deserve....Bur Media mis info blah blah blah....

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 12:39 PM (5IHGB)

32 Did vaping kill Ginger Baker?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Former Medic at October 06, 2019 12:35 PM (x8Wzq)


I believe it was implied in the prior thread that he was smoking... something else, on a regular basis.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 12:39 PM (hku12)

33 > Is Greta the Swedish Climate Golem still on a hunger strike?

Saw a meme of her eating a hearty breakfast on a luxury train next to a pic of Venezuelan kids scavenging out of dumpsters.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 12:40 PM (vA4O3)

34 Rock climbing is very dangerous, so are motorcycles and scooters - even bicycles. Hey, I could even argue that pot is dangerous* because it gives you the munchies that make you eat bad food. Try selling a ban on those things in SF

And really, why do cigars get ignored? Oh, right, because rich elitists like their imported cigars! But those blue collar hicks and their tobacco - they are the WORST!


*Don't want to turn this into a pro/anti pot battle.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:36 PM (bDqIh)

Interesting, in 2017, there were 423 Deaths due to rifles (most of those not Assault Weapons).

There were 777 Deaths due to bicycle accidents.

Clearly we need bicycle control!

Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 12:41 PM (NgKpN)

35
... vaping crisis


Still sporting a solid lead in the Hyperbole Sweepstakes, you poseurs!

-- Climate Catastrophe

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:41 PM (pNxlR)

36 He didn't today, of course, or he would have bragged about it for days. But Rush Limbuagh's continued appearances on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace lend credibility to Wallace on all matters.

What's it gonna be Limbaugh, your need for constant press, or what you say on air the other 5 days 0of the week? Chris Wallace is everything you claim to loathe, yet you treat him like a long lost brother- do you have the same agent? Its always about the money you tell us...

Posted by: Quilp at October 06, 2019 12:41 PM (Bf3hj)

37 Trump has issued an executive order to cut the National Security Council stave to the bone. It formerly had about 100 members, but ballooned to 400 under Jugears.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 12:38 PM (vA4O3)


Anything that calls itself a council and has 400 members is not a council. It's a cabal.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 12:41 PM (hku12)

38 > Interesting, in 2017, there were 423 Deaths due to rifles (most of those not Assault Weapons).

More people are killed with hands and feet than are killed with rifles of any kind.

Posted by: Ginger Baker at October 06, 2019 12:42 PM (vA4O3)

39 This is probably better for the food thread, but whoa!

@Jkylebass

One million pounds of infected chinese pork was seized by US CBP as they lied to inspectors about contents. chinese Pig Ebola (CPE) has ravaged china this year. We believe 220 million pigs(half their population) have died.

- - -

Let loose the (infected) swine of war!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3ha8w4r

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:42 PM (bDqIh)

40 Anyone who supports needle giveaways or methadone clinics but opposes vaping is an idiot or raging hypoctite


I am not a fan of vaping, but my objections are science based, not hysteria.

Also, follow the money. Tobacco settlement revenues are now built into our tax structure: therefore tobacco revenues will be protected by the gov't.

Posted by: West at October 06, 2019 12:43 PM (NttrG)

41 Commies hate nicotine because it actually makes you smarter.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 12:44 PM (vA4O3)

42

39 This is probably better for the food thread, but whoa!

@Jkylebass

One million pounds of infected chinese pork was seized by US CBP as they lied to inspectors about contents. chinese Pig Ebola (CPE) has ravaged china this year. We believe 220 million pigs(half their population) have died.
- - -

Let loose the (infected) swine of war!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3ha8w4r
Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:42 PM (bDqIh)


So, even injecting the pork products with China's go-to marketing problems' solution, melamine, didn't solve the problem?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:44 PM (pNxlR)

43

Well they say it's not really VAPE_VAPE...

signed PUFF'y NIPPLES.

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 12:45 PM (5IHGB)

44 One million pounds of infected chinese pork was seized by US CBP as they lied to inspectors about contents. chinese Pig Ebola (CPE) has ravaged china this year. We believe 220 million pigs(half their population) have died.
- - -

Let loose the (infected) swine of war!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3ha8w4r
Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:42 PM (bDqIh)

Most don't understand just how big a hole China is in. They can't feed themselves, and we export food.

Add in we just signed a trade deal with JAPAN which allowed us to import more food there?

Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 12:45 PM (NgKpN)

45 For a great perspective on the progressive mindset and why they seek to control every aspect of our lives, check out the 1916 movie Intolerance, which is free if you have Amazon Prime. It weaves together four stories around this theme. Three of them are set in historical times and focus mainly in religious Intolerance, but the central story is set in contemporary times, and revolves around progressive attempts to reform mankind by controlling people's lives "for their own good". At the heart of it is the fact that the founder of the progressive organization which seeks to control how everyone lives is basically a bitter old spinster who hates to see anyone else have any joy in their lives, but who unfortunately has an extremely wealthy brother, and therefore power.

Posted by: QA at October 06, 2019 12:45 PM (X3sGT)

46 Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:36 PM (bDqIh)

Interesting, in 2017, there were 423 Deaths due to rifles (most of those not Assault Weapons).

There were 777 Deaths due to bicycle accidents.

Clearly we need bicycle control!
Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 12:41 PM (NgKpN)


People voluntarily hurtle themselves down mountains, equipped with nothing more than a couple of elongated flat shoes, and two sticks in their hands.

The devastation caused costs businesses to lose millions of dollars each year, with accidents happening all the time. Not to mention the cost to communities, who have to send fire and rescue teams up the sides of mountains, dangerously risking their OWN lives to help the willing participants in their own destruction.

How can government allow such things to continue.

I ask you.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 12:45 PM (hku12)

47 How many deaths have been attributed to vaping? How many deaths make a crisis?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 12:45 PM (Uu+Jp)

48 The other day I was listening to the news radio
station, and they said New Jersey has convened a task force to address
the "vaping crisis". That's right, it's now a full-blown crisis.
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2019 12:39 PM (sdi6R)


In Oregon too. Two deaths. We lose more to drowning at state parks each summer.

Some commentator, probably Michael Malice, said that China will never fully reject One Child policy because it is the most invasive thing that government can do to its people.

I think this is as good an explanation for our government's actions for all my lifetime at least, and the state and feds would implement the One Child program here as well, if there was a ghost of a chance that it could be enforced.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2019 12:46 PM (xG/b0)

49 We will poison you without firing a shot!

Posted by: Wi Tu Lo and Sum Ting Wong at October 06, 2019 12:46 PM (EgshT)

50 The health insurance angle provides nanny-staters with the fig leaf to tell others what to do. "Because if they get sick, I'm helping to pay for it!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 12:46 PM (YqDXo)

51 If we're going to start banning stuff based on the death toll, we should probably start with communism.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 12:47 PM (vA4O3)

52

There's the vapo rub.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2019 12:47 PM (aKsyK)

53 40
Also, follow the money. Tobacco settlement revenues are now built into our tax structure: therefore tobacco revenues will be protected by the gov't.

Posted by: West at October 06, 2019 12:43 PM (NttrG)


And as I keep saying, also look at the pharmaceutical industry. I'll bet that sales of nicotine gum and patches have taken a beating due to vaping, and they have plenty of money to influence politicians and the media.

Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2019 12:47 PM (sdi6R)

54
So, even injecting the pork products with China's go-to marketing problems' solution, melamine, didn't solve the problem?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2019 12:44 PM (pNxlR)

clearly, they lack electrolytes.

Was in Costco a couple days ago, saw a big display for an 'Electrolyte Drink'.

Started looking around for President Camacho.

Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 12:47 PM (NgKpN)

55 But...But...But...EIGHT vaping deaths!!11!!- The entire MSM

Posted by: socalcon at October 06, 2019 12:48 PM (Roy2Z)

56 >>How can government allow such things to continue.

I ask you.


"He died doing what he loved."
-- Widow and friends of the latest extreme sports fatality

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:48 PM (bDqIh)

57 How many deaths have been attributed to vaping? How many deaths make a crisis?

If it saves just one life!!! *hic*

Posted by: Wine Moms at October 06, 2019 12:49 PM (EgshT)

58 An average of 12 people die each year from falling over the cliffs in the Grand Canyon.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 06, 2019 12:49 PM (9+jnX)

59 People voluntarily hurtle themselves down mountains, equipped with nothing more than a couple of elongated flat shoes, and two sticks in their hands.

The devastation caused costs businesses to lose millions of dollars each year, with accidents happening all the time. Not to mention the cost to communities, who have to send fire and rescue teams up the sides of mountains, dangerously risking their OWN lives to help the willing participants in their own destruction.

How can government allow such things to continue.

I ask you.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 12:45 PM (hku12)

/looks at his EPIC Season Pass, hanging from his skis.

Hey now.

Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 12:49 PM (NgKpN)

60 So I get up this morning to "multiple" new whistle blowers regarding Ukraine.. Seriously? In the old days they were called spies

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2019 12:50 PM (O2RFr)

61 The other day I was listening to the news radio station, and they said New Jersey has convened a task force to address the "vaping crisis". That's right, it's now a full-blown crisis.
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2019 12:39 PM (sdi6R)

A few stupid kids died. Tough shit.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 12:50 PM (jEgzt)

62 Anything that calls itself a council and has 400 members is not a council. It's a cabal Duma.


FIFY

Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2019 12:50 PM (xG/b0)

63 Is it possible to vape the chemical that is prescribed to assist youthful children desiring to transition to some other form of gender?

I hear that stuff is proven as very safe.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2019 12:51 PM (cqNba)

64 FYI - Smithfield Foods, Inc., is now a wholly owned subsidiary of WH Group of China.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:51 PM (bDqIh)

65 Don't vape or smoke never have, 2nd hand or 3rd,4th or 5th smoke is not harmful, would have died long ago as my dad from my early childhood toteenage smoked around me all the time.
Vaping if done correctly and by the book can't be any worse but it's the anti smoking crowd who is railing against it and there is money involved somewhere.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 12:51 PM (ZCEU2)

66 @GeorgePapa19

>>According to some news reports its a far right conspiracy that Joseph Mifsud was working for western intel when he was meeting with Flynn and myself. After all he trains western spies in Rome with MI6 figures and also attends security conferences with Obamas sec of defense!

Flynn?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2019 12:53 PM (ZLI7S)

67 43 Well they say it's not really VAPE_VAPE...

signed PUFF'y NIPPLES.
Posted by: saf~~~

OMG! Coca-Cola out my nose, and on the keyboard & monitor!

Posted by: socalcon at October 06, 2019 12:53 PM (Roy2Z)

68 Oh my! I have the vapers!

Posted by: Victorian Lady, with a crowd of yutes on her lawn at October 06, 2019 12:54 PM (DMUuz)

69 I'm old enough to remember when seat belt laws were considered an intrusion by government.
But government is all about steady encroachment.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 12:55 PM (Uu+Jp)

70 But isn't it my bounden duty, as an elected official, to prevent you from doing things I think you shouldn't be doing?

Besides, comrade CBD, the State store will supply everything we think you should have in your life, and in the appropriate quantities as well!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 12:55 PM (BiNEL)

71 *A few stupid kids died. Tough shit.*

'G-d thins the herd' is a very effective argument.

Posted by: socalcon at October 06, 2019 12:56 PM (Roy2Z)

72 Sorry, Libertarians convinced the Right to abandon public service, claiming that to work in a govt job was tantamount to collecting welfare. Surprise surprise (in my best Gomer Pyle), big Govt leftists have completely taken over, leading to the nanny deep state we see today.

National Review is for sale
Would it surprise anyone if now, since "praising" Trump earlier in the week, Jeff Sessions now comes out and condemns Trump on Ukraine? You aren't expected to notice easy set ups.

Posted by: Quilp at October 06, 2019 12:56 PM (Bf3hj)

73 As a non smoker I prefer standing an chatting with someone vaping rather than smoking. Not that I'm crazing about the smell of white chocolate.
I also don't get upset by people smoking around me.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 12:57 PM (Uu+Jp)

74 Try fixing the potholes and the porous borders

This is a problem with politicos: the desire to make everybody better people than they were. As Mooch/Lawrence Taylor once threatened said, "[Barack will demand] That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.

Sod off, swampy. Your job is to fix the potholes and the porous borders, AND THAT'S IT.

The mayor of our little burg evinces the syndrome. It's not enough to fill the potholes, etc. No. He's got to make our little burg better, more crowded, more chi-chi. He's forcing out auto repair shops and such to put in, e.g. craft beer places crowded with wearers of man buns, eliminating parking ultimately to make downtown a pedestrian mall, and instituting policies to encourage show compassion toward vagrants.

If I wanted to live in a chi-chi liberal utopia, I'd have moved to one in the first place. Which, as astute observers will note, I did not.

"Journalists" have the same problem. They're trying to remake the world (largely in Karl Marx's vision, apparently), inspired by those hairballs Bernstein and Woodward. You're reporters, OK? So just report. No need to editorialize or lead us to the Promised Land.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

75 At the heart of it is the fact that the founder of the progressive organization which seeks to control how everyone lives is basically a bitter old spinster who hates to see anyone else have any joy in their lives,
Posted by: QA at October 06, 2019 12:45 PM


An outlier, no doubt.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein of Brattleboro, VT at October 06, 2019 12:57 PM (DMUuz)

76 Anything that calls itself a council and has 400 members is not a council. It's a cabal Duma Dumass.

FIFY

Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2019 12:50 PM (xG/b0)


FIFY

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 06, 2019 12:58 PM (aS1PU)

77 >>So I get up this morning to "multiple" new whistle blowers regarding Ukraine.. Seriously? In the old days they were called spies



I think this sudden escalation of victims/whistleblowers, each tale will be more salacious that the one before it, to generate the appearance/legitimacy of a scandal needs a name. How about "the Avenatti maneuver"?

They want Trump to resign based on the threat of more whistleblowers, just as they wanted Kavanaugh to withdraw from the nomination based on the threat of more "rape" victims.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:58 PM (bDqIh)

78 National Review is for sale
Would it surprise anyone if now, since "praising" Trump earlier in the week, Jeff Sessions now comes out and condemns Trump on Ukraine? You aren't expected to notice easy set ups.
Posted by: Quilp at October 06, 2019 12:56 PM (Bf3hj)

__

I dont see the connection between NR and Sleepy McSessions. Am I missing something?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 12:58 PM (nwbEh)

79 Govt does 2 things really well.

1. Expand
2. Collect money from tax payers

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 12:59 PM (nwbEh)

80 Um, vape crisis just laying the playing field for another Round-up pesticide-type class action?

Posted by: socalcon at October 06, 2019 12:59 PM (Roy2Z)

81 66 Flynn?

Per Sidney Powell, Flynn attended an event in Russia (iirc) that Mifsud attended, also. Maybe 2015? It was included in one of her filings.

Posted by: Ever at October 06, 2019 12:59 PM (ZZDMQ)

82 Let loose the (infected) swine of war!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3ha8w4r
Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 12:42 PM (bDqIh)


You know what I learn from reading this? Someone on THIS end of the Chinese import/export game was a willing participant.

This is the Mitt Romney faction of the "free trade" divide in this country. This is the main reason most of them hate Trump. Because Trump sides with the people, and not the big corporations that are supine to their Chinese overlords.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:00 PM (hku12)

83 >>I think this sudden escalation of victims/whistleblowers, each tale will be more salacious that the one before it, to generate the appearance/legitimacy of a scandal needs a name. How about "the Avenatti maneuver"?

The Kavanaugh Crap Fest.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2019 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)

84 Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2019 12:47 PM (sdi6R)

Vaping cuts out big pharmaceutical, gives control to the individual, evades tobacco taxes:
"How dare you!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:01 PM (BiNEL)

85 A few stupid kids died. Tough shit.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 12:50 PM (jEgzt)


My man.

Here's the thing: a few stupid kids will live out Darwin's legacy no matter what we do about anything.

A liberal acquaintance was involved in a railroad safety program to teach kids not to walk down train tracks with music blasting in their ear buds. The program was unsuccessful. What next? Teach kids not to stick their dicks in energized light sockets?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:01 PM (YqDXo)

86 >>Per Sidney Powell, Flynn attended an event in Russia (iirc) that Mifsud attended, also. Maybe 2015? It was included in one of her filings.

Yea but the implication of Papadopoulos' tweet is that Flynn met with Mifsud. I've never seen that before.

Did they also run Mifsud at Flynn?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (ZLI7S)

87 Everyone who has ever eaten carrots will eventually die.

Posted by: $billion gub'mint study at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (EgshT)

88 The juxtaposition of Leftism trying to over protect some, totally fking up others ( the trans gender is first coming to mind) is mind boggling.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (ZCEU2)

89 The mayor of our little burg evinces the syndrome. It's not enough to fill the potholes, etc. No. He's got to make our little burg better, more crowded, more chi-chi. He's forcing out auto repair shops and such to put in, e.g. craft beer places crowded with wearers of man buns, eliminating parking ultimately to make downtown a pedestrian mall, and instituting policies to encourage show compassion toward vagrants.

I've always felt local government should be one place free from rightwing/leftwing tensions. I mean mayors don't have to worry about making the world a better place to live. They should worry about making their towns and cities better places to leave.
But now it seems to all be about attacking the interests of the people who elect them.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (Uu+Jp)

90 Cbuck Todd and his ilk need constant reasons to publicly show their anti trump leg. They feel exposed otherwise. The entire thing has the unmistakable feel of the deep state and the dems (redundant I know) giving the media just what they need to go full hate Trump without having bad feelz .Because make no mistake, they aren't going to pull back now, they ARE going to start calling those who continue to support the President - "collaborators"

You'll see that term, when you do- think Quilp...not the hooked nose evil troll from The Old Curiosity Shop, but Moi.

Posted by: Quilp at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (Bf3hj)

91 Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 12:59 PM (nwbEh)

I think the term "Forcibly" should be in both those "features" of government!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:03 PM (BiNEL)

92 Vaping cuts out big pharmaceutical, gives control to the individual, evades tobacco taxes:
"How dare you!"
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:01 PM (BiNEL)


Channel the Sage of Stockholm: "You've stolen my dreams and (more to the point) my tax revenues with your empty e-cigarettes!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:03 PM (YqDXo)

93 Look at eggs / no eggs through the years or other food items.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:03 PM (ZCEU2)

94 Yup....government at all levels can kiss my ass.

Looters and crooks.

MYODB.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 06, 2019 01:03 PM (Z+IKu)

95 A few weeks ago I read an OMG OMG OMG we're all going to die article about - wait for it - 3 deaths from paddle boarding in the state. You'd think the world as we know it was ending the way they went on and on about the "dangers" or paddle boarding. None of the 3 were wearing life jackets.

And of course the solution was more govt, more rules, more regulations. Because I'm sure the 3 assholes who are too cool to wear a life jacket would absolutely have followed even more stringent rules.

I'd guess on any summer weekend there have to be 50,000 people paddle boarding in the state. But because 3 idiots didn't wear their life jacket, the other 49,997 will now have to put up with more shit and pay more to enjoy the sport.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 01:04 PM (nwbEh)

96 Should /ought/needs to be
MORALIZING
stop it
Deal with reality as is.
Reality isnt everyone minding their own business
Reality is leftists attempting to make your kids watch tranny porn, and no AC in the summer.

Posted by: Quilp at October 06, 2019 01:04 PM (Bf3hj)

97 I've always felt local government should be one place free from rightwing/leftwing tensions. I mean mayors don't have to worry about making the world a better place to live. They should worry about making their towns and cities better places to leave.
But now it seems to all be about attacking the interests of the people who elect them.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (Uu+Jp)


Exactly right on all counts.

"Better places to leave." Well done.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:05 PM (YqDXo)

98 a railroad safety program to teach kids not to walk down train tracks with music blasting in their ear buds

I don't see the problem.

Posted by: Zombie Rachel Corrie at October 06, 2019 01:05 PM (EgshT)

99 I've always felt local government should be one place free from rightwing/leftwing tensions.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (Uu+Jp)


Nowadays I think that if there were two astronauts on the moon there would be rightwing/leftwing tensions.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:06 PM (YqDXo)

100 The lack of tax revenue is my first suspects of anti vaping, though the People's republic of New Jersey last week rolled out or proposed vaping taxes.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:07 PM (ZCEU2)

101 A bit OT, but Jen Hale can hold my microphone any time.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2019 01:07 PM (axyOa)

102

Seventy six whistle blowers led the big parade.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2019 01:07 PM (aKsyK)

103 Rudy chewed up and spit out Howie Kurtz today. Rudy getting better and better with this.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 06, 2019 01:07 PM (H8QX8)

104 People voluntarily hurtle themselves down mountains, equipped with nothing more than a couple of elongated flat shoes, and two sticks in their hands.

The devastation caused costs businesses to lose millions of dollars each year, with accidents happening all the time. Not to mention the cost to communities, who have to send fire and rescue teams up the sides of mountains, dangerously risking their OWN lives to help the willing participants in their own destruction.

How can government allow such things to continue.

I ask you.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 12:45 PM (hku12)

/looks at his EPIC Season Pass, hanging from his skis.

Hey now.
Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 12:49 PM (NgKpN)


Somewhere there's a child, right now, considering taking up skiing when he/she/it grows up. That child, if given the chance to ski, will break his/her/its leg, maybe puncture a lung, and die an agonizing death on the side of a mountain.

Alone and unloved.

What, do you HATE children that much???

Give up your pass. For the children.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:08 PM (hku12)

105 LOL. Sitting here with two vapes beside me I pull up this post.


Five years ago someone here (maybe even the boss) put up a thread about e-cigs. I was a pack-a-day smoker then. That post inspired me and I quit cold turkey, switching to e-cigs and eventually vapes.

I stopped coughing and had twice the energy, with none of the stress of quitting.


You will never convince me that vaping is even one tenth as harmful as smoking.

ace, if that was your post, I owe ya' one.

Posted by: creeper at October 06, 2019 01:08 PM (9I3YQ)

106 >>> No. He's got to make our little burg better, more crowded, more chi-chi. He's forcing out auto repair shops and such to put in, e.g. craft beer places crowded with wearers of man buns, eliminating parking ultimately to make downtown a pedestrian mall, and instituting policies to encourage show compassion toward vagrants.

The empty craft brew places can become a crack den for the vagrant when they go out of business because no one went there due to lack of parking.

Posted by: fluffy at October 06, 2019 01:09 PM (VXru+)

107 73 Not that I'm crazing about the smell of white chocolate.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere~~~

In some instances a pheromone vape product would be nice.

Posted by: socalcon at October 06, 2019 01:09 PM (Roy2Z)

108 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:01 PM (YqDXo)

I feel sorry for the parents and siblings of anyone that has died from vaping.
But at some point, if we make every single function in human life impossible to be harmful we will have achieved total insanity.
There are far more US deaths from illegal cartel and Chinese fentanyl than from vaping, but stopping that would involve real action against serious criminals, so it is far better to screw average citizens to show "we" are doing something!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:10 PM (BiNEL)

109 In my old burg, a far flung suburb/exurb, there was a proposal to put up an apartment complex. The residents were up in arms over the idea. And eventually we got the project cancelled.

But holy fuck was the mayor a piece of shit about it. His entire argument was essentially it's unfair that we upper middle class residents of the town get to experience all the good things about our town. Why not let less fortunate people experience it too? And if you disagree you have no heart.

I'm 100% sure he was in the pocket of developers as were a few of the city council members.

Luckily enough people showed up at city hall every day to finally get the vote overturned. But it really opened my eyes up to how corrupt local govt is. It's always about the fucking money.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 01:10 PM (nwbEh)

110 As long as i dont have to smell it up, i couldnt care less if people smoked dog turds, much less vaped liquid strichnine.

Posted by: BifBewalski at October 06, 2019 01:11 PM (VcFUs)

111 In some instances a pheromone vape product would be nice.

Ahd like to see a roofies vape. Heh.

Posted by: Bubba Clintoon at October 06, 2019 01:11 PM (EgshT)

112 "Five years ago someone here (maybe even the boss) put up a thread about e-cigs. I was a pack-a-day smoker then. That post inspired me and I quit cold turkey, switching to e-cigs and eventually vapes."

That is not cold turkey.

Cold turkey is nicotine cessation in all forms.

Posted by: jsg at October 06, 2019 01:11 PM (g2WLC)

113 How can government allow such things to continue.

I ask you.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 12:45 PM (hku12)

___

SHUT UP!! I love skiing, don't give the bureaucrats any ideas.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 01:11 PM (nwbEh)

114 the People's republic of New Jersey last week rolled out or proposed vaping taxes.
Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:07 PM (ZCEU2)


But it was for the children...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:12 PM (BiNEL)

115 Cucktoberfest Order your bucks early afore they get tired.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2019 01:12 PM (LYheq)

116 https://www.healthline.com/health/lipoid-pneumonia

"Lipoid pneumonia is a rare condition ... "

At least one of the vaping deaths involved this "rare condition".

Perhaps inhaling oil into your lungs is not such a good thing.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 06, 2019 01:12 PM (vWMNq)

117 I think this sudden escalation of victims/whistleblowers, each tale will be more salacious that the one before it, to generate the appearance/legitimacy of a scandal needs a name. How about "the Avenatti maneuver"?

The Kavanaugh Crap Fest.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2019 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)


Go old school. Call it an "auto-da-fe."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:12 PM (YqDXo)

118 The lack of tax revenue is my first suspects of anti vaping, though the People's republic of New Jersey last week rolled out or proposed vaping taxes.
Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:07 PM (ZCEU2)


Bingo. You solved the equation.

Taxes mean regulation, and the companies that will qualify to provide you with safe, approved vaping products... will be the same companies that currently provide you with tobacco and/or pharmacological products to help you quit smoking.

As long as the same people enrich themselves, eventually you'll stop hearing about how terrible this vaping stuff is.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:12 PM (hku12)

119 111

Does this vape smell like chloroform to you?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:13 PM (BiNEL)

120 Wiki has nine 2019 selfie related deaths listed.

Let's ban cell phones, FIRST!

Posted by: socalcon at October 06, 2019 01:14 PM (Roy2Z)

121 Everyone who has ever eaten carrots will eventually die.
Posted by: $billion gub'mint study at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (EgshT)

Oh shit!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:14 PM (jEgzt)

122 >>> But it was for the children.

It always is.

"When I hear hear the phrase 'for the children', that's when I reach for my revolver."

Posted by: fluffy at October 06, 2019 01:15 PM (VXru+)

123 >>There are far more US deaths from illegal cartel and Chinese fentanyl than from vaping, but stopping that would involve real action against serious criminals, so it is far better to screw average citizens to show "we" are doing something!

Seems like the only one interested in that is Trump - I have no doubt that is part of his trade war with China, and why we've seen some huge fentanyl busts recently.

He understands that the open border allows so much harmful stuff to enter the US, and that enemies such as China are happy to use it to wage chemical warfare on US citizens. I read recently China was forced to sell their lease of a US port (maybe Long beach? my memory is bad) - that is key, removing their ability to import bad stuff like fentanyl, infected food, empty vaping cartridges that are then filled with harmful oils and sold on the street.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 01:15 PM (bDqIh)

124 >>Go old school. Call it an "auto-da-fe."

The Obama Okie Doke.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2019 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)

125 I propose a new law: everyone must be covered in bubble wrap from head to toe 24/7, to prevent any possible injuries.

FOR

THE

CHILDREN

Of course.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 01:16 PM (nwbEh)

126 Vaping killed the radio star. And the dinosaurs.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 06, 2019 01:17 PM (NWiLs)

127 86 Did they also run Mifsud at Flynn?

Im looking for the filing. But, I think that was the inference in the information request.

Posted by: Ever at October 06, 2019 01:17 PM (ZZDMQ)

128 I prefer smoking the babies to light sabering them.

Posted by: Darth Vaper at October 06, 2019 01:18 PM (g2WLC)

129 The empty craft brew places can become a crack den for the vagrant when they go out of business because no one went there due to lack of parking.
Posted by: fluffy at October 06, 2019 01:09 PM (VXru+)


Yep. Here's the thing: a pedestrian mall is fine for the young and fit. We have elderly neighbors who have trouble walking up their rather steep driveway (so we help them with their trash cans on trash day). How are our neighbors supposed to cope with a pedestrian mall?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:19 PM (YqDXo)

130 Yea but the implication of Papadopoulos' tweet is that Flynn met with Mifsud. I've never seen that before.
Did they also run Mifsud at Flynn?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (ZLI7S)
~~~~~

Huh?!

The other day, Lindsey Graham said we'd be getting the IG FISA report in two weeks. Then just last night (or this AM?) Ratcliffe said the same thing. Maybe?

Posted by: IrishEi at October 06, 2019 01:20 PM (sGotD)

131 Um, vape crisis just laying the playing field for another Round-up pesticide-type class action?
Posted by: socalcon at October 06, 2019 12:59 PM (Roy2Z)


Someone way smarter than me might know, but I'm curious as to who it was that was pissed off at Monsanto.

I have a feeling it was a trade war thing that most of us are not privy to, where Monsanto was too successful, and somebody had to put them down.

My first guess would be Archer Daniels Midland.

Again, someone way smarter than me would possibly know, but the impression I have is that ADM rules way too much of this world, and most of us have no idea how or where or why.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:20 PM (hku12)

132 120 Wiki has nine 2019 selfie related deaths listed.

Let's ban cell phones, FIRST!
Posted by: socalcon at October 06, 2019 01:14 PM (Roy2Z)


We need some idiot to die from getting his man bun caught in machinery. Then we can ban the bun. Not before time, either.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:21 PM (YqDXo)

133 That is not cold turkey.

Cold turkey is nicotine cessation in all forms.
Posted by: jsg at October 06, 2019 01:11 PM (g2WLC)

Whatever. Nicotine is not particularly harmful, but the delivery method of smoldering tobacco leaf is. So switching from cigarettes to vapes does amount to harm reduction.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:21 PM (jEgzt)

134 "Real" politicians have their best interests at heart in every action they take!

That's why they hate apolitical President Trump, and why "his" kind must never be allowed to rise again!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:21 PM (BiNEL)

135 125 I propose a new law: everyone must be covered in bubble wrap from head to toe 24/7, to prevent any possible injuries.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 01:16 PM (nwbEh)


Sure. Just as long as the bubble wrap carries a label saying, "This product has been determined by the state of California to cause cancer."

Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2019 01:22 PM (sdi6R)

136 Vaping RoundUp is hazardous to your health.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 06, 2019 01:22 PM (NWiLs)

137 @g_occhionero

>>I think both AG Barr and prosecutor Durham are in a much more underway phase of action.

>>My lawyers Bottacchiari and Parretta will soon be headed for the US Embassy in Rome in connection with newly discovered SpyGate crimes vs US national security.

Newly discovered he said.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2019 01:22 PM (ZLI7S)

138 Everyone who has ever eaten carrots will eventually die.
Posted by: $billion gub'mint study at October 06, 2019 01:02 PM (EgshT)

Oh shit!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:14 PM (jEgzt)


Dammit!

I have learned that blueberries do not make me immortal. Nor do tomatoes.

Somebody somewhere will figure out the only thing that does is kale, and when that day comes, I will accept my mortality, rather than submit to eating kale.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:24 PM (hku12)

139 Vaping is the man-bun version of smoking...for pussies who want to hang with the cool people, but lack the nerve to challenge cancer face-to-face.

Former smoker and cancer survivor...so flame away, papers...I can take y'all with my eyes closed.

Posted by: Ty Cobb at October 06, 2019 01:24 PM (a24h/)

140 Someone way smarter than me might know, but I'm curious as to who it was that was pissed off at Monsanto.

Monsanto has been demonized since forever. The anti-GMO nitwits have had it in for Monsanto ever since they began their program of genetically modifying plants. Farmers had it in for Monsanto because under the license agreement farmers could not retain the seeds of GMO crops. Europeans got on the GMO bandwagon as a way of protecting European farmers (a powerful lobby there) from American competition.

The RoundUp thing is just the latest effort in this regard, an unholy alliance between leftists and ambulance chasing lawyers.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

141 My first guess would be Archer Daniels Midland.

Again, someone way smarter than me would possibly know, but the impression I have is that ADM rules way too much of this world, and most of us have no idea how or where or why.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:20 PM (hku12)

More likely greentards, who don't like the fact that modern agriculture feeds the world, and has made famine a thing of the past.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:24 PM (jEgzt)

142
The fake Republican governor of Massachusetts BANNED vaping products a couple of weeks ago as if he was a Dictator.

So vape store owners naturally said hey wtf and sued the governor. Last Friday, a cocksucking judge upheld the arbitrary unconstitutional dictatorial ban.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 01:24 PM (QlS15)

143 123
He understands that the open border allows so much harmful stuff to enter the US, and that enemies such as China are happy to use it to wage chemical warfare on US citizens.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 01:15 PM (bDqIh)


Well said. I thought I was the only one calling it that.

Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2019 01:25 PM (sdi6R)

144 You will never convince me that vaping is even one tenth as harmful as smoking.
ace, if that was your post, I owe ya' one.
Posted by: creeper at October 06, 2019 01:08 PM (9I3YQ)
~~~~~

Same here, creeper. Ace did a post on the e-cigs he was using--Totally Wicked, I think. I switched to them, and then a year or two later he talked about the book by Alan Carr, How to Stop Smoking the Easy Way. Read that the day before an Ash Wednesday, and quit "for Lent." Haven't smoked since, but I have to tell you, it's been a loooong time and i still have urges.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 06, 2019 01:25 PM (sGotD)

145 86 Did they also run Mifsud at Flynn?

Motion to Compel. Item 16.

"Any information...about Joseph Mifsud's presence and involvement in engaging or reporting on Mr. Flynn and Mifsud's presence at the Russia Today dinner in Moscow on December 17, 2015."

Posted by: Ever at October 06, 2019 01:25 PM (ZZDMQ)

146
Govt does 2 things really well.

1. Expand
2. Collect money from tax payers

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 12:59 PM (nwbEh)








Three things, and you left out the most important of them.

3. Kill people.

The trick is to ensure that gov't only kills foreign enemies in order to defend the nation, or irredeemable criminals with due process of law. Unfortunately, that's a nearly impossible trick, historically speaking, even within the US and we're probably the closest that any gov't in human history has ever come to pulling that off.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2019 01:26 PM (eXA4G)

147 The politicos have their knickers in a twist about a couple of vaping deaths, but have no problem with shitloads of fentanyl crossing the border, with wholesale bloodshed in the ghettos, or with bathhouses spreading grave diseases far and wide.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:26 PM (YqDXo)

148 @130
It really doesn't matter when the report comes out now, there is simply not enough time to do anything substantive with it.

I would hold it now as a kill shot.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 06, 2019 01:27 PM (6pccG)

149 Sure. Just as long as the bubble wrap carries a label saying, "This product has been determined by the state of California to cause cancer."
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2019 01:22 PM (sdi6R)


Good lord, I only recently discovered that brilliant bit of marketing. The "Cali sez this causes cancer" is a scam that, I gotta hand it to them, they're good.

It's another way of saying "Cali doesn't get any money from this outfit, so you shouldn't use it."

And people are dumb enough to fall for it. So no matter what else they are or aren't, the Californica nazis are good at marketing.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:27 PM (hku12)

150 Back from my mulch buying expedition. Total success.

Posted by: Weasel at October 06, 2019 01:27 PM (MVjcR)

151 The fake Republican governor of Massachusetts BANNED vaping products a couple of weeks ago as if he was a Dictator.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 01:24 PM (QlS15)


Look on the bright side: think how much money Massachusetts will save by not having a legislature, and just letting the executive branch hand down edicts.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:28 PM (YqDXo)

152
btw, the cocksucking judge in the Harvard admissions case did NOT say Harvard's admission process is not discriminatory against Orrientals; she ruled it was OKAY for Harvard to discriminate against Orientals because 'affirmative action' is more important than a few upset orientals.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 01:28 PM (QlS15)

153 > "Lipoid pneumonia is a rare condition ... "

Back in the day, a common cause was home-brewed scuba tank filling apparatus.

You gotta filter out the compressor oil, guys.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:29 PM (vA4O3)

154 I wonder what William F. Buckley would have said?
Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

Immanentize the eschaton!

Posted by: Wiliam F Buckley at October 06, 2019 01:29 PM (fOqG5)

155 Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 06, 2019 01:27 PM (6pccG)

Like the clock of the atomic scientists, always tick-tocking ever closer to midnight, but never ever actually getting there

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:30 PM (BiNEL)

156 By the way, the rumor mill in Canada says the "new" dirt on Justine Trudeau is that he boinked a 17 year old student when he was a teacher at West Point Grey Academy in Vancouver, and that is why he "resigned" that job quite suddenly.

And his room-mate and best buddy at the time has been convicted on child porn charges, this latter being a published fact.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:30 PM (jEgzt)

157 The politicos have their knickers in a twist about a couple of vaping deaths, but have no problem with shitloads of fentanyl crossing the border, with wholesale bloodshed in the ghettos, or with bathhouses spreading grave diseases far and wide.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:26 PM (YqDXo)

Excellent point!.......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 06, 2019 01:30 PM (Z+IKu)

158
Same here, creeper. Ace did a post on the e-cigs he was using--Totally Wicked, I think. I switched to them, and then a year or two later he talked about the book by Alan Carr, How to Stop Smoking the Easy Way. Read that the day before an Ash Wednesday, and quit "for Lent." Haven't smoked since, but I have to tell you, it's been a loooong time and i still have urges.
Posted by: IrishEi at October 06, 2019 01:25 PM

My friend Sissy found out about that book, read it, and quit. She said the best thing about it was that it told her what to expect, which made it easier.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at October 06, 2019 01:30 PM (/+bwe)

159 > because 'affirmative action' is more important than a few upset orientals.

Given that a Harvard diploma is a key to high government office (I'm not saying that's right, understand, but that's the way it is), I fail to see how society benefits more from a dumb person having a Harvard diploma than a smart person having a Harvard diploma.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:30 PM (vA4O3)

160 Exhaled vapor evaporates instantly, doesn't linger and float to the top of a room and stink up furniture and rugs and clothes, so right there , it's got it all on tobacco smoke.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 06, 2019 01:31 PM (NFEMn)

161 Good lord, I only recently discovered that brilliant bit of marketing. The "Cali sez this causes cancer" is a scam that, I gotta hand it to them, they're good.

That is the result of a ballot initiative that galvanized the soccer moms to vote for protecting them from cancer.

What we really need is a ballot initiative requiring notification that various things cause stupidity. Network TV leaps to mind in this connection.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:31 PM (YqDXo)

162 Government is going after vaping because the Big Tobacco Industrial Complex...

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Reynolds, Altria, Imperial, BAT have all invested in vaping products.

Posted by: Undocumented at October 06, 2019 01:31 PM (GNk5/)

163 The difference between Mitt and PDT was evident early on. Mitt wrote off 47% of the population's vote as beneath him, while PDT worked to get 100%.

How Mitt could beg for the honor of an endorsement, while maneuvering to use PDT's good faith to try to destroy him, shows what a despicable person Mitt is.

Posted by: Ever at October 06, 2019 01:32 PM (ZZDMQ)

164 105 I too was a longtime smoker and the doc said I had COPD a few times. Switched vaping a coiple years back and presto no more COPD.

Posted by: xa4 nasal radiator at October 06, 2019 01:32 PM (xkudx)

165 Someone way smarter than me might know, but I'm curious as to who it was that was pissed off at Monsanto.
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Monsanto has been demonized since forever. The anti-GMO nitwits have had it in for Monsanto ever since they began their program of genetically modifying plants. Farmers had it in for Monsanto because under the license agreement farmers could not retain the seeds of GMO crops. Europeans got on the GMO bandwagon as a way of protecting European farmers (a powerful lobby there) from American competition.

The RoundUp thing is just the latest effort in this regard, an unholy alliance between leftists and ambulance chasing lawyers.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 01:24 PM (YqDXo)


A quick roundup (pun intended) of the internet shows that ADM (and Bayer), among others were involved in the potential gobbling up of the carcass of Monsanto.

So yeah, I'd say the other giants of the industry had a hand in it somehow. Not just the greenies and the other assorted idiot lefties.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:32 PM (hku12)

166 28 If you only use your Juul during your commute are you a vindshield vaper?
Posted by: Muldoon

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If we ask her nicely can we persuade your wife to give you more chores.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 06, 2019 01:32 PM (ySnWN)

167 Reynolds, Altria, Imperial, BAT have all invested in vaping products.
Posted by: Undocumented at October 06, 2019 01:31 PM (GNk5/)

But do they own the currently popular ones. Regulatory capture, boys and girls.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:33 PM (jEgzt)

168 So switching from cigarettes to vapes does amount to harm reduction.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:21 PM (jEgzt)

Cigarettes are smoked to get the nicotine. Unless your vape juice has no nicotine, that is just replacing the delivery method. Sure there are less harmful chemicals, but not even close to Cold Turkey.

Posted by: Darth Vaper at October 06, 2019 01:33 PM (g2WLC)

169 I bet cell phones and driving kill a lot, especially texting while driving.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:34 PM (ZCEU2)

170 Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:29 PM (vA4O3)

Why it is almost like a human membrane that can provide a complex oxygen-carbon dioxide exchange process can't handle non-gaseous oily components as well!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:34 PM (BiNEL)

171 AOP, thanks for the reinforcement. I've exchanged tar and CO2 for antifreeze. Net gain of one at least.

Posted by: creeper at October 06, 2019 01:35 PM (9I3YQ)

172 My friend Sissy found out about that book, read it, and quit. She said the best thing about it was that it told her what to expect, which made it easier.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at October 06, 2019 01:30 PM (/+bwe)
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Very true. He also stressed that the thing that makes you want your next cigarette is the last one you had. Those ideas were peppered throughout the book.

If you approach the book with an open mind, it will work.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 06, 2019 01:35 PM (sGotD)

173 I remember 70s? Monsanto was the evil big corporation everyone thought was taking over food production

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:36 PM (ZCEU2)

174 > Like the clock of the atomic scientists, always tick-tocking ever closer to midnight, but never ever actually getting there

They've set it back a few times, generally when a Democrat gets elected.

And the "atomic scientists" in question are a political organization, not any kind of scholarly group. If you look at an issue, guess how many papers about actual "atomic science" you'll see? Hint: that would be none.

Among this month's "scholarly" features about "atomic science":

A food to farm as climate changes: elderberries

Students want "can do" leaders on climate

How the Koch brothers got us here

See any "atomic science" there? Neither do I.


"Atomic science" isn't even a THING, for God's sake. Depending on what you're talking about, it could be either chemistry or nuclear physics.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:37 PM (vA4O3)

175 I'm 100% sure he was in the pocket of developers as were a few of the city council members.

Luckily enough people showed up at city hall every day to finally get the vote overturned. But it really opened my eyes up to how corrupt local govt is. It's always about the fucking money.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 06, 2019 01:10 PM (nwbEh)

there was a successful downtown redevelopment over the last 20 years in my town - and I did support it, it did make the place better to get it cleaned up and not let it rot. But I also found out that just before the redevelopment got going, the Mayor's family bought up most of the properties in question at dirt cheap prices, and then sold them at multiples of what thy paid after it was done. Oh well, he went on to become a "respected" State Senator, that's how it goes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 06, 2019 01:37 PM (V2Yro)

176 Government is going after vaping because the Big Tobacco Industrial Complex...

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Reynolds, Altria, Imperial, BAT have all invested in vaping products.
Posted by: Undocumented at October 06, 2019 01:31 PM (GNk5/)


Aaaaand, of course they do! The problem is, not enough of you are buying theirs. You're buying the stuff they don't control.

So once we get the govie to regulate what can and cannot be legally sold (and taxed), all this health stuff will blow away. Like vapor in the wind.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:37 PM (hku12)

177 > Monsanto was the evil big corporation everyone thought was taking over food production

Nestle is the other one that commies hate, hate, hate, for some reason.

I suspect that at some point in the distant past, some commie group tried to shake down Nestle and Monsanto, and said corporations refused.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:38 PM (vA4O3)

178

If we ban vaping, what are strippers gonna blow vajayjay smoke rings with?

Posted by: Sir, I Have Eaten My Earplugs at October 06, 2019 01:38 PM (UFLLM)

179 >>The fake Republican governor of Massachusetts BANNED vaping products a couple of weeks ago as if he was a Dictator.


Total guess here, but hubby and I have been amused (gallows humor) at watching MA repeat all the same steps as CO re: pot legalization. For example, chi-chi townspeople who thought it was awesome suddenly freaking out that a pot shop opens by their kids' school, their favorite corner shops (the traffic and druggies I have rub shoulders with!), etc..

My guess is Baker's move is to please/protect legal pot sales, since the dirty secret of these vape deaths are that these are street-sold vape cartridges that contain pot.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2019 01:38 PM (bDqIh)

180 Darth, why are you determined to rain on my parade? Did I fail to meet your expectations when I didn't quit completely.

My use of "cold turkey" was incorrect. There.

Posted by: creeper at October 06, 2019 01:39 PM (9I3YQ)

181 Don't vape fentanyl.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 06, 2019 01:39 PM (NWiLs)

182 Cigarettes are smoked to get the nicotine. Unless your vape juice has no nicotine, that is just replacing the delivery method. Sure there are less harmful chemicals, but not even close to Cold Turkey.
Posted by: Darth Vaper at October 06, 2019 01:33 PM (g2WLC)

I think OP used "cold turkey" to indicate a total switch from cigs to vapes, with no transition period of using both. So maybe a misuse of the term, but he got his point across.

And "cold turkey" itself originally referred to heroin/morphine addiction, not tobacco. Users who quit cold turkey would often develop goosebumps on their skin, which is how the term came to be.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:39 PM (jEgzt)

183 How Mitt could beg for the honor of an endorsement, while maneuvering to use PDT's good faith to try to destroy him, shows what a despicable person Mitt is.
Posted by: Ever at October 06, 2019 01:32 PM (ZZDMQ)

But he's remained faithful to his wife, and mother of his 68 kids!

Posted by: JoeF. at October 06, 2019 01:39 PM (NFEMn)

184 > Monsanto has been demonized since forever.

At least since the Vietnam War, and maybe before then.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:39 PM (vA4O3)

185 According to a documentary I saw a couple of years ago, women in Victorian England were strongly discouraged from smoking. They injected opium (could have been cocaine) instead.
Many carried devices so they could inject directly into a leg while seated a table.

One of the things I find interesting in the television programs on the Sherlock Holmes is how much smoking they do.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:40 PM (Uu+Jp)

186 Cold turkey makes great sammiches. Especially with some bacon.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 06, 2019 01:40 PM (NWiLs)

187 But they're all down with the pot dispensaries.

Can't have your brave new world without soma.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 06, 2019 01:40 PM (oVJmc)

188
...since the dirty secret of these vape deaths are that these are street-sold vape cartridges that contain pot.


Exactly. And Baker just forced all the kids who vape to resort "underground" products.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 01:40 PM (QlS15)

189 So once we get the govie to regulate what can and cannot be legally sold (and taxed), all this health stuff will blow away. Like vapor in the wind.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 06, 2019 01:37 PM (hku12)

But think how much more efficient the wealth transfer process* will be!

*from you to us

Posted by: Commissar Bernie Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:41 PM (BiNEL)

190 I feel the same about smoking and vaping with one proviso. When I smoked, almost twenty years ago, I had to go outside and that actually helped me quit (I live in a cold winter climate). Vape away but if you're in a public place, go outside to do it.

Posted by: Thomas LaBelle at October 06, 2019 01:41 PM (XHdLb)

191 Is vaping "smoking"?

I don't see people on the patch or nicorette gun referred to as "smoking" or using tobacco when they slap a patch on or pop a piece of gum in their mouth. But the authorities treat vaping as smoking or using tobacco products (NO SMOKING).

Rather see use of perfumes banned indoors than vapers.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 06, 2019 01:42 PM (1g7ch)

192 The real story (to me) is why did something so silly become a "crisis" requiring a "demand" for government intervention.

I smell money. Easy money is running our government today.

Remember ABSCAM? Someone should dig up those videos. They were great.

Posted by: pawn at October 06, 2019 01:42 PM (PveK5)

193 Cigarettes are smoked to get the nicotine.

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And to have something to stick in the mouth in post-pacifier years.

Posted by: Undocumented at October 06, 2019 01:42 PM (GNk5/)

194 The College Fix - How cultural appropriation tantrums are really just a cry for help

https://tinyurl.com/y5pmwvyh

Posted by: Robert at October 06, 2019 01:43 PM (Eg4A3)

195 When I was in high school the smokers all gathered around a particular door to smoke.
Smoking in the Boys Room was a hit sometime during that period of time.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:43 PM (Uu+Jp)

196 When I was in high school the smokers all gathered around a particular door to smoke.
Smoking in the Boys Room was a hit sometime during that period of time.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:43 PM (Uu+Jp)

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After they aged, they gathered in the corner of the parking garage.

Posted by: Undocumented at October 06, 2019 01:44 PM (GNk5/)

197 I feel the same about smoking and vaping with one proviso. When I smoked, almost twenty years ago, I had to go outside and that actually helped me quit (I live in a cold winter climate). Vape away but if you're in a public place, go outside to do it.
Posted by: Thomas LaBelle at October 06, 2019 01:41 PM (XHdLb)

Some douchey vape users make a great show of exhaling vast clouds of vape, when in crowds or in places where smoking is prohibited. You can almost hear their mind-thought: "Nyaa, nyaa, can't catch me, I'm vaping, not smoking."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:45 PM (jEgzt)

198 Atomic science" isn't even a THING, for God's sake. Depending on what you're talking about, it could be either chemistry or nuclear physics.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:37 PM (vA4O3)

****

There is a Far Side cartoon in this somewhere. The day the atomic scientist resets the clock forward for daylight savings.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2019 01:46 PM (axyOa)

199 Some douchey vape users make a great show of exhaling vast clouds of vape, when in crowds or in places where smoking is prohibited. You can almost hear their mind-thought: "Nyaa, nyaa, can't catch me, I'm vaping, not smoking."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:45 PM (jEgzt)


I often see cars with great clouds of vapour coming through the driver's window.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:46 PM (Uu+Jp)

200 Some douchey vape users make a great show of exhaling vast clouds of vape, when in crowds or in places where smoking is prohibited. You can almost hear their mind-thought: "Nyaa, nyaa, can't catch me, I'm vaping, not smoking."


Question occurs, does vaping encourage the transmission of airborne diseases?

Not that I know, but it would seem to be a worthwhile question.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 06, 2019 01:48 PM (oVJmc)

201 legalinsurrection.com/trump opens up drilling on federal lands in california
Tee hee hee,
Leftists heads will explode

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:48 PM (ZCEU2)

202 One million pounds of infected chinese pork was seized by US CBP

Don't we still consider biological weapons WMD.


Posted by: DaveA at October 06, 2019 01:49 PM (FhXTo)

203 I just listened to an audio book about Johnny Cash's live at Folsom album. I found it fascinating.

One of his longtime musicians, I forget the name, died after falling asleep with a lit cigarette which set the couch on fire.
I don't think that happens anymore.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:49 PM (Uu+Jp)

204

Who let the Pig Anus Rings out.............Porky BUTTigiege..SNORT,

That lil piggy ain't going anywhere but the slaughterhouse 5 in South Bend...wot happened to North Bend is it near South Park?

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 01:49 PM (5IHGB)

205 I think nicotine is mildly addictive, where the degree of intensity is variable, but it is not carcinogenic. Burning tobacco smoke is. It sort of follows to me that inhaling almost any burning product can't be good for you. Vaping seems closer to inhaling moist air with an nicotinoid aroma!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 06, 2019 01:49 PM (BiNEL)

206 Can we blow the whistle on vaping, already?

Posted by: klaftern at October 06, 2019 01:50 PM (RuIsu)

207 And to have something to stick in the mouth in post-pacifier years.
Posted by: Undocumented at October 06, 2019 01:42 PM (GNk5)

My General Business teacher said that. He elaborated on it, comparing the size of the item being smoked to the level of insecurity of the smoker. His favorite example was cigars.

Posted by: creeper at October 06, 2019 01:50 PM (9I3YQ)

208 > Smoking in the Boys Room was a hit sometime during that period of time.

Brownsville Station also did Martian Boogie, another smoking-related song. More or less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU8EqkQKfw0

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:50 PM (vA4O3)

209 Some douchey vape users make a great show of exhaling vast clouds of vape, when in crowds or in places where smoking is prohibited. You can almost hear their mind-thought: "Nyaa, nyaa, can't catch me, I'm vaping, not smoking."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:45 PM (jEgzt)

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..and so the Great Rebellion can ultimately be traced back to a dozen douchy vaporers at Carl's BBQ and Bar on February 3, 2021.

And that is the Rest of the Story.

Posted by: Undocumented at October 06, 2019 01:50 PM (GNk5/)

210 It is a scientific fact that California Soccer Moms are NEVER gonna die. This fact leads me to want to take up cigarette smoking once again.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 06, 2019 01:51 PM (flINI)

211 > I don't think that happens anymore.

Now they put carcinogenic fire retardant in furniture. Heh.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:51 PM (vA4O3)

212 I've seen the remains on the seedier streets of Portland where little micro-breweries and specialty coffee shops attempted to operate small restaurants with a few outdoor tables and chairs. I can only gather that the patrons were averse to sharing the sidewalks with bums and violent druggies that abound.Now abandoned, you can still see these creatures walking around like zombies, or animatedly talking to themselves or getting into a scuffle with one another in front of these now boarded up businesses.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 06, 2019 01:51 PM (9+jnX)

213 Two things (among many) that no sane country should ever do: outsource production of military equipment, and allow a foreign government to control a substantial portion of your food supply and production capacity.

But we lost the war on insanity a long time ago.

Posted by: PabloD at October 06, 2019 01:52 PM (tt6ng)

214

GINGER CREAMED..............BAKED in Crematorium

RIM SHOT and Cymbal sizzle................

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 01:52 PM (5IHGB)

215 Question occurs, does vaping encourage the transmission of airborne diseases?

Not that I know, but it would seem to be a worthwhile question.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 06, 2019 01:48 PM (oVJmc)

Good question. Is propylene glycol mist a good culture medium for bacteria and viruses?

It does seem to me that "second-hand vape" would cause the poor bastard who inhales it to be dosed with some of the vape's payload, be it flavor, nicotine, or whatever.

And whatever happens to all that propylene glycol? Does it settle out on walls, floors, and furniture? Or does it just evaporate. Tobacco smoke sure as Hell stains the surfaces of rooms and cars, after all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:52 PM (jEgzt)

216 Some weeks ago on oldies station Alice Cooper was playing and thought some modern group should remake it Vaping in the Boys Room.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:52 PM (ZCEU2)

217 > There is a Far Side cartoon in this somewhere. The day the atomic scientist resets the clock forward for daylight savings.

Good one.

Seriously, the "atomic scientists" are nearly as much of a scam as the "Center for Science in the Public Interest", which for decades basically consisted of one communist microbiologist with a Xerox machine.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:53 PM (vA4O3)

218 185 According to a documentary I saw a couple of years ago, women in Victorian England were strongly discouraged from smoking. They injected opium (could have been cocaine) instead.
Many carried devices so they could inject directly into a leg while seated a table.

One of the things I find interesting in the television programs on the Sherlock Holmes is how much smoking they do.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:40 PM (Uu+Jp)

Go read Holmes book, the 7% solution.

Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 01:53 PM (NgKpN)

219 Menthol tinted THC oil is the best for vaping.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 06, 2019 01:54 PM (e1mEI)

220

80 year olde CREAM no wonder it went OFF..............

GINGER SNAPS..............

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 01:54 PM (5IHGB)

221 Way back in 80s when offices and break rooms allowed smoking we often had to clean ceiling grid with Simple Green.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2019 01:55 PM (ZCEU2)

222 re: your analysis of vaping

I'm not saying this blog is garbage. I'm saying this blog should be hauled away AS garbage!

Posted by: Smirking dirty Klingon, now working for Big Tobacco at October 06, 2019 01:55 PM (ldmQR)

223 Do not vape boned rolled pig.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 06, 2019 01:56 PM (NWiLs)

224
What's the origin of "smoke 'em if you got 'em?"

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 01:56 PM (QlS15)

225 AOP..."What happens to all that propylene gycol?"


It settles in a fine film over everything. Soap and water is the only way to get it off windows.

Happily, it does not smell.

Posted by: creeper at October 06, 2019 01:56 PM (9I3YQ)

226 224
What's the origin of "smoke 'em if you got 'em?"
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 01:56 PM (QlS15)

Smoking was an appetite suppressant, they actually put packs of cigarettes in Rations.

Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 01:57 PM (NgKpN)

227 Some bacterium will be invaded by a virus that will enable it to break down Ethylene Glycol to a useful carbohydrate. It will go forth and multiply in vapey lungs.

Posted by: klaftern at October 06, 2019 01:57 PM (RuIsu)

228 Trump has issued an executive order to cut the National Security Council stave to the bone. It formerly had about 100 members, but ballooned to 400 under Jugears.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 12:38 PM (vA4O3)


You can bet they were pysch tested to have heavy shades of stasi.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 06, 2019 01:57 PM (1g7ch)

229 Hey everybody.

Ginger Baker has passed away.
I'd bet God is getting quite an earful right now... ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 06, 2019 01:57 PM (L2ZTs)

230 I'm enjoying a nice Nicaraguan Maduro while reading this.

Posted by: Weasel at October 06, 2019 01:58 PM (VtyYN)

231 You can't use RETARDANT any more ,It's Mentally Challenged Sofa protectant...baby won't you light my fire,HOT PANTS next to be banned.

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 01:58 PM (5IHGB)

232

Smoking was an appetite suppressant, they actually put packs of cigarettes in Rations.

Posted by: Don Q


I might be wrong, but I think some of the old sci-fi movies had the astronauts smoking in their space adventures.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 01:58 PM (QlS15)

233 Smoking in the Boys Room was a hit sometime during that period of time.

Brownsville Station also did Martian Boogie, another smoking-related song. More or less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU8EqkQKfw0
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:50 PM (vA4O3)

Heh. Friend of mine always referred to joints as "Martian crayons". Now I get the reference.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 06, 2019 01:59 PM (jEgzt)

234

What's that song that goes tube steak boogie?

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:00 PM (QlS15)

235 Nobody's asked but the member of the Tennessee Three who died from injuries suffered when a lit cigarette set a couch on fire was Luther Perkins.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 02:00 PM (Uu+Jp)

236 Further to 225

Nor does it stain. Nothing burns, so there is no brown tint to the film...just a pale, pale grey dullness.

Posted by: creeper at October 06, 2019 02:00 PM (9I3YQ)

237

Is that song about smoking, too?

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:01 PM (QlS15)

238 184 > Monsanto has been demonized since forever.

Lieawatha's favorite client. Gave her much wampum.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at October 06, 2019 02:01 PM (H8QX8)

239 I might be wrong, but I think some of the old sci-fi movies had the astronauts smoking in their space adventures.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 01:58 PM (QlS15)

+++
I watched one several weeks back and mentioned it. It was a hoot. All the astronauts smoked throughout the journey to the moon. When they successfully landed all of them lit up cigarettes in a congratulatory gesture.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 06, 2019 02:01 PM (9+jnX)

240 Lucky cat

https://tinyurl.com/y5mhgdp3

Posted by: Robert at October 06, 2019 02:01 PM (Eg4A3)

241

Ginger Bread Man is mort?

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:01 PM (QlS15)

242 I thought Ginger Baker had already died.

Posted by: Weasel at October 06, 2019 02:02 PM (VtyYN)

243 Ginger Bread Man is mort?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:01 PM (QlS15)


He was delicious.

Posted by: Grim Reaper at October 06, 2019 02:03 PM (aS1PU)

244
When they successfully landed all of them lit up cigarettes in a congratulatory gesture.

Love it!

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:03 PM (QlS15)

245 Hey creeper!

Posted by: SMH at October 06, 2019 02:03 PM (RU4sa)

246 Ginger Bread Man is mort?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:01 PM (QlS15)

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Pretty sure the fox ate him.

Posted by: SMH at October 06, 2019 02:04 PM (RU4sa)

247 ^^^ #62.....

It's Not a TUMA.

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 02:05 PM (5IHGB)

248 232

Smoking was an appetite suppressant, they actually put packs of cigarettes in Rations.

Posted by: Don Q

I might be wrong, but I think some of the old sci-fi movies had the astronauts smoking in their space adventures.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 01:58 PM (QlS15)

In Star Trek Enterprise they could cure Lung cancer with simple injections, over a period of hours (one of the first shows of the series when the rediscovered a lost colony).

Why the hell not smoke?

Posted by: Don Q at October 06, 2019 02:05 PM (NgKpN)

249
Fred and Barney smoked!

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:06 PM (QlS15)

250 "Cigarettes do not seem until recently to have attracted the attention of the public as more injurious than other forms of tobacco; nor are we now prepared to take judicial notice of any special injury resulting from their use or to indorse the opinion of the Supreme Court of Tennessee that 'they are inherently bad and bad only.' At the same time we should be shutting our eyes to what is constantly passing before them were we to affect an ignorance of the the fact that a belief of the deleterious effects, particularly upon young people, has become very general, and that communications are constantly finding their way into the public press denouncing their use as fraught with great danger to the youth of both sexes."
Austin vs. Tennessee, US 343, 1900

Posted by: Undocumented at October 06, 2019 02:07 PM (GNk5/)

251 I'm enjoying a nice Nicaraguan Maduro while reading this.
Posted by: Weasel at October 06, 2019 01:58 PM (VtyYN)

***

Good move Weas.
I had a pleasant afternoon yesterday with an Upmann Churchill.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2019 02:07 PM (axyOa)

252
It's weird having all these younger generations who didn't grow up with Looney Tunes or Three Stooges.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:07 PM (QlS15)

253 Smoking was an appetite suppressant, they actually put packs of cigarettes in Rations.

Posted by: Don Q

****

Also useful for navigating at night.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2019 02:08 PM (axyOa)

254 Smoking was an appetite suppressant, they actually put packs of cigarettes in Rations.

Posted by: Don Q

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Also useful for navigating at night.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2019 02:08 PM (axyOa)

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And targeting.

Posted by: Sniper at October 06, 2019 02:10 PM (GNk5/)

255 One of the things I find interesting in the television programs on the Sherlock Holmes is how much smoking they do.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:40 PM (Uu+Jp)

If you were referring to the Jeremy Brett series, there were some amusing stories about that. In the original stories, Sherlock smokes a pipe when he wants to ponder things in his room, and he certainly never smoked cigarettes. But Brett was a 3 or 4 pack a day smoker, and couldn't stand not having a cigarette in his hand. They got him to do the pipe smoking thing as much as they could, but when they were filming they would have to take breaks every 20 minutes or so while he walked off set to smoke. Finally, the director and producer gave in and said fine, you wanna smoke cigarettes, smoke as many as you want. So Sherlock smokes cigarettes now.

There's some sadness as that series progresses, you can see Brett getting sicker and sicker. He died of heart disease.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 06, 2019 02:10 PM (V2Yro)

256 Rectum Bowell would like a word with you
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"The Republican party has got to get a grip on itself," Former Secy. of State Colin Powell on the state of the current GOP. "Republican leaders and members of the Congress... are holding back because they're terrified of what will happen [to] any one of them if they speak out."


Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 06, 2019 02:11 PM (BqBId)

257 packs of cigarettes in Rations.


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Go healthy, eat Hershey bars instead.

Posted by: Sniper at October 06, 2019 02:11 PM (GNk5/)

258 If you were referring to the Jeremy Brett series, there were some amusing stories about that. In the original stories, Sherlock smokes a pipe when he wants to ponder things in his room, and he certainly never smoked cigarettes. But Brett was a 3 or 4 pack a day smoker, and couldn't stand not having a cigarette in his hand. They got him to do the pipe smoking thing as much as they could, but when they were filming they would have to take breaks every 20 minutes or so while he walked off set to smoke. Finally, the director and producer gave in and said fine, you wanna smoke cigarettes, smoke as many as you want. So Sherlock smokes cigarettes now.

I was indeed referring to the Jeremy Brett series. Interesting story.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 02:11 PM (Uu+Jp)

259 There's some sadness as that series progresses, you can see Brett getting sicker and sicker. He died of heart disease.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 06, 2019 02:10 PM (V2Yro)


IMHO Brett was the best Holmes ever.

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 06, 2019 02:12 PM (aS1PU)

260 Smoking was an appetite suppressant, they actually put packs of cigarettes in Rations.
Posted by: Don Q

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Also useful for navigating at night.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2019 02:08 PM


I rarely post outside of the Art Thread, but I'd like to point out that's not all they are useful for.

Posted by: The Sniper at October 06, 2019 02:12 PM (DMUuz)

261
IMHO Brett was the best Holmes ever.
Posted by: DR.WTF at October 06, 2019 02:12 PM (aS1PU)

I also like the fact Dr Watson wasn't portrayed as a complete, blithering idiot. I forget the name of the actor.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 02:13 PM (Uu+Jp)

262
IMHO Brett was the best Holmes ever.

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 06, 2019 02:12 PM (aS1PU)

+++Agree.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 06, 2019 02:13 PM (9+jnX)

263
I also like the fact Dr Watson wasn't portrayed as a complete, blithering idiot. I forget the name of the actor.

Posted by: N.L. Urker,



Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:13 PM (QlS15)

264 .
Point of order here regarding the media's whistle blower extravaganza.
What are we going to use for a name for the various whistle blowers coming forward?
Watergate had "Deep Throat"
We may as well stick with the same theme and call the Democrats first hearsay whistle blower "Hand Job".
Whistle blower number two can be called "Reach Around".
And since we know there will be more we might as well get ahead of the game and name number three "Circle Jerk" then "Gang Bang" for number four.
The back alley of the internet has plenty of more material when needed.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Mongo at October 06, 2019 02:14 PM (pHl8P)

265 145 86 Did they also run Mifsud at Flynn?

Motion to Compel. Item 16.

"Any information...about Joseph Mifsud's presence and involvement in engaging or reporting on Mr. Flynn and Mifsud's presence at the Russia Today dinner in Moscow on December 17, 2015."
Posted by: Ever at October 06, 2019 01:25 PM (ZZDMQ)


Mifsud "reporting on Mr. Flynn" would show that Mifsud was in fact working for the US Gov.
Unless they mean Mifsud reporting to Russia...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 06, 2019 02:14 PM (1g7ch)

266 I rarely post outside of the Art Thread, but I'd like to point out that's not all they are useful for.
Posted by: The Sniper at October 06, 2019 02:12 PM (DMUuz)

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Being the junior private in my platoon was a bitch!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2019 02:14 PM (axyOa)

267 I thought even the smallest amount of nicotine can kill a large animal ? Where did I pick that up ?

Posted by: runner at October 06, 2019 02:14 PM (lidPb)

268
Good move Weas.
I had a pleasant afternoon yesterday with an Upmann Churchill.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2019 02:07 PM (axyOa)
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Nice!

Posted by: Weasel at October 06, 2019 02:14 PM (MVjcR)

269 Isn't nicotine poison or something ?

Posted by: runner at October 06, 2019 02:15 PM (lidPb)

270 I watched an episode of Murdoch Mysteries the other day. Pure nicotine was used in the murder.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 02:15 PM (Uu+Jp)

271 I thought even the smallest amount of nicotine can kill a large animal ? Where did I pick that up ?
Posted by: runner at October 06, 2019 02:14 PM (lidPb)

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No idea, butt...

https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/20/Suppl_1/i17

Posted by: Sniper at October 06, 2019 02:17 PM (GNk5/)

272 I just listened to an audio book about Johnny Cash's live at Folsom album. I found it fascinating.

One of his longtime musicians, I forget the name, died after falling asleep with a lit cigarette which set the couch on fire.
I don't think that happens anymore.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at October 06, 2019 01:49 PM (Uu+Jp)


We don't allow manufacturers to make couches out of gun cotton anymore. Or if we do, it must be on that label. Buyer beware.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 06, 2019 02:17 PM (1g7ch)

273 @264 Mongo-Rusty Trombone, Blumpkin......

Posted by: JROD at October 06, 2019 02:19 PM (IT+uc)

274 264
.

Point of order here regarding the media's whistle blower extravaganza.

What are we going to use for a name for the various whistle blowers coming forward?

Watergate had "Deep Throat"

We may as well stick with the same theme and call the Democrats first hearsay whistle blower "Hand Job".

Whistle blower number two can be called "Reach Around".

And since we know there will be more we might as well get ahead of
the game and name number three "Circle Jerk" then "Gang Bang" for number
four.

The back alley of the internet has plenty of more material when needed.



Thoughts?

Posted by: Mongo

YES!!!

Posted by: Zombie Jeffrey Epstein at October 06, 2019 02:19 PM (tGsDy)

275

Nood, I guess.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at October 06, 2019 02:19 PM (QlS15)

276 This vaping ban idea is the most leftist, statist idea from the Right in years. And Trump has really fallen for this bullshit. FOR THE KIDS, my ass.

Posted by: Not Enough Lampposts at October 06, 2019 02:20 PM (pWN7H)

277 In the Brett series, there are 2 Dr. Watson's. First half he was played by David Burke, second half by Edward Hardwicke. Rather like the two Darrin's. (actually both Watson's play the role equally well)

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 06, 2019 02:23 PM (V2Yro)

278 Woodstein and Bernwood wrote a set up story on Nixon (the TRUMP of their day) and have been coasting on it ever since.Like a ONE HIT WONDER GROUP, never mind deep throat they got deep pockets of filthy lucre and seem to think they are smart,more like SMARMY SMUGGERS.
There is quite the similarity to the WATERGATE Oh My God 'ism to todays Pelosi and Schiff shit storm.Someone should do a COMPARO piece .I'm sure Wapo and NY TIMES would publish it.............

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 02:23 PM (5IHGB)

279
PADDLE BOARDING SHOULD BE A CAPITAL OFFENSE







unless you are gorgeous ,nekked and close to shore.
Gingers get priority launching.......

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 02:29 PM (5IHGB)

280 ^^ "Everybody who eats carrots will eventually die"


ONLY IF THEY ARE IN CHILLI.

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 02:35 PM (5IHGB)

281 Do women who have quit smoking really complain that they have nothing to stick in their mouths now?








toothpicks toothpicks that's what I was getting at

Posted by: saf at October 06, 2019 02:46 PM (5IHGB)

282 Seriously, the "atomic scientists" are nearly as much of a scam as the "Center for Science in the Public Interest", which for decades basically consisted of one communist microbiologist with a Xerox machine.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2019 01:53 PM (vA4O3)


Much like the "Union of Concerned Communists Scientists."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 06, 2019 02:49 PM (YqDXo)

283 Greetings:

Following on 282...

Union of Concerned Scientists, where the Clock of Doom has never been more than 17 minutes before midnight.

Posted by: 11B40 at October 06, 2019 03:17 PM (evgyj)

284 The reason the federal government is getting involved in the vaping industry is because close to 100 people across the country have had serious, permanent lung damage in a very short time due to vaping. Who doesn't support looking into a product that is causing serious and yes, fatal, lung damage?

Now, it turns out thst the damage seems to be csused by illicit concoctions with THC but that also include harmful chemicals. These look to have been repackaged so as to look legit. We wouldn't tolerate corn whiskey with methanol, we shouldn't tolerate this. We also no longer allow flavored cigarettes to be sold, so there is precedent for banjing flavored vaping solutions.

When the government becomes the insurer of last resort, it will want a say in what people do.

Posted by: obijohnkenobe at October 06, 2019 07:57 PM (0V5hN)

285 Posted by: Sir, I Have Eaten My Earplugs at October 06, 2019 01:38 PM (UFLLM)

179 >>The fake Republican governor of Massachusetts BANNED vaping products a couple of weeks ago as if he was a Dictator.


Total guess here, but hubby and I have been amused (gallows humor) at watching MA repeat all the same steps as CO re: pot legalization. .....
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Nah. The biggest problems are whether there should be home delivery and how POC are getting shut out from getting a license to see it, because they don't have the connections or money.

The funny thing about the POC thing is, the woman pushing it as a problem is a pot shop carpet bagger from Colorado who got a license and opened a store in Lee Mass. One would think she would have stood aside for that.

Where I live, the closet shops are about 10 - 15 miles away. Other than the other stupidity of paying through the nose for licensed weed it hasn't been a big problem other than traffic in Northampton Mass.

I don't care if there was a thousand shops and they were all next door to schools. As long as you are not DUI material driving stoned, I don't care.

As the original post stated, do what you want and if the consequences are not good it's on you.

Posted by: Groundhog at October 06, 2019 08:51 PM (VYwSh)

286 Vaping? I have a solution for both smoking and vaping.The Vaping helmet.Looks like a fish bowl filters the smoke from escaping into the environment it will be like a car, re burning and inhaling the vaped product endlessly into the vaper.

Posted by: obsidian at October 07, 2019 11:22 AM (7+yqP)

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