Gun Thread: Maybe You Just Suck [Weasel]

Something has been on my mind for a while and I think it's time we talked about it. What is it you ask? Well, it mostly has to do with training, expectations and improving your shooting. Let's find out more below, shall we?

Shooting, Sucking and You
Here's a wisdom packed short article sent in by our pal redc1c4 touching on a topic I've felt strongly about for some time. If you aren't getting the results you want in your shooting, or anything else in life for that matter, perhaps the first thing to do is just admit that you suck. I mean this sincerely. On a good day I am a half-way competent shooter, but I sure as hell didn't start out that way. When I first started, I sucked, bigly, boldly and badly. After making a lot of random holes in targets at embarrassingly close distances, I sat down and had a talk with myself and we both agreed that I just sucked at shooting. It turns out that shooting, at least shooting consistently well, is one of those things that is harder than it looks. But what to do about it? Should I simply lower my expectations or should I decide to improve? How about being happy with the status quo?

Just because you suck today doesn't mean you have to suck forever, and improving mostly involves starting with good fundamentals rather than spending a fortune on gear.

It's important to set your expectations and work towards the standard you set for yourself as a goal. I went along for a while and then decided to try and stop sucking by developing some skills which meant a) training and 2) practice, practice, practice. I joined a range and spent an hour or two there every week over a number of years practicing the fundamentals of handgun shooting. Rifle shooting represented a different sickness altogether; I found one of best rifle instructors in the country and spent a countless number of days on a 600 acre hay farm learning to shoot at long-range. Later, I entered as many long range matches as possible over a period of years to practice what I'd learned. Beginning to get the point? It's much more about learning the fundamentals and practicing them, than it is about having the newest, shiniest and expensivest gear on the range. I have had my ass absolutely kicked around a rifle range by old experienced guys and gals with goofy looking vintage gear, because they knew how to shoot. Having ultra high-end equipment only begins to make a difference at the very top end of the performance curve.

When I began coaching long-range rifle teams I frequently worked with new shooters and noticed a tendency for many to believe a new scope or another piece of gear was the quick answer to whatever their problemo du jour seemed to be. They were convinced that moving from a basic stock rifle to a very expensive custom made rifle would place them squarely in the winner's circle on match day. BAM! Imagine their confusion and bitter, bitter sadness when the big day arrives and their brand new rifle doesn't seem to shoot any better than the previous one they were convinced had been holding them back all along. Hey! This new rifle is defective too!

So here are some WeaselRules on shooting, training and practice. These are good not only for new shooters, but also maybe for those who have reached a plateau and are looking to up their game. These are the same points I would gently, and sometimes not so gently, make to the dejected shooter toeing the dirt after a train wreck in a match, but they apply to all shooters sooner or later I think.

Don't Read the Internet
The internet is great for cat videos, exiled Nigerian banking official outreach, and our favorite blog, but can be a dangerous place for anyone with just a little bit of knowledge. It's natural for a new shooter to want to immerse themselves in their latest passion, but it's possible to pick up someone else's bad habits, too. Be very careful what and who you believe online, especially anything from a guy you don't know calling himself Weasel. The best way to begin gaining knowledge you can trust is to find someone who does the kind of shooting you like, and who does it very well, and become their best friend.

Talk Less and Listen More
If you are being coached or are paying for lessons, listen to the instructor and refrain from explaining to them how much of an expert you already are. Shooters are a friendly bunch so if you're learning on your own, find the good shooters, ask questions and listen to the answers. Again, listening does not mean blabbering about how much you know from reading an internet discussion forum the night before.

Set Goals, Measure Progress and Manage Expectations
Always have a plan. Even if you're headed to the range for some plain ol' recreational shooting, have some sort of training objective in mind. You don't need to make a big production out of things, but take the time to focus on fundamentals or one particular aspect of shooting for at least a few minutes. Be willing to invest your time but spend it wisely and adopt some method of measuring your progress. Finally, do not become discouraged when you don't become a champion overnight. It takes time, and there's nothing you can do about that other than, well, investing an amount of time directly proportional to the skill level you want to achieve. There is nothing in the world wrong with being new at something and sucking at it, just be determined to improve if that's what you want to do. If your goal is to shoot six inch groups at 7 yards, then be happy shooting six inch groups at 7 yards.

Everyone Has a Bad Day
No shit. And I mean everyone. Don't compound a problem you might have had earlier by acting like a baby and beating yourself up for the rest of the day. I like to tell the story of a very good friend who is one of the top long range shooters in the country who, in the first three relays of a national match, dropped a total of three points and was in 54th place at the end of day one. Did he get mad and quit? No. That day simply wasn't his day. If you make an errant shot, stop and think about what happened. Try to determine what went wrong and don't do that thing anymore. Have a mental checklist beginnning with your setup, stance and grip mechanics; and progressing through target acquisition, trigger squeeze and follow-up, and assess your performance at each step. There is a time to shoot quickly and a time to shoot s-l-o-w-l-y. Learn from your mistakes and when it's your turn to be the loser, don't be a bad one.

Consider Competitive Shooting for Practice
I am a lazy mo-fo, no two ways about it. After I had been shooting and training for a while, I got to a point where I was excusing my often less than stellar performance as good enough. I'd just barely miss a target at say, 800 yards, and would make up all sorts of reasons to myself why it was justified and understandable. After all, it's a teensy little target a long way away! I was definitely at the point where I'd accomplished my goal of learning how to shoot and was then just being lazy in the execution. So I decided to start entering matches knowing that I could measure good days vs bad ones by my scores, and it worked. You cannot hide from a poorly executed shot when the target comes up and your scorer records the results. You do not have to go all bananas and turn it into a semi-career like I did, but consider match shooting as a training tool. It is a whole lot of fun and you will meet some incredibly nice and like-minded people along the way. You won't know what you're doing the first time, but just suck it up. Every single person on the range had a first day, too. Tell the Match Director it's your first match and ask to be squadded with an experienced shooter who can show you the ropes, then come back and tell me at the end of the day it wasn't fun and worthwhile.

Sorry, It Probably Isn't the Gun
Self-explanatory. 'Nuff said.

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So what do you think? Do you need more practice or do you "need" a new gun or some other gear to improve? Believe me, buying guns is mucho fun-o especially if your objective is owning lots of guns, but if you want to progress with your shooting it takes time, a willingness to learn, and practice. Admitting there is always something to work on is the first step towards being a more consistent shooter. Learn how to shoot before you start throwing new and fancier gear at the problem, and for Pete's sake, always remember it's supposed to be fun!

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Link-O-Rama
NRA: Firearm Training
NRA: Competitive Shooting the very best way to practice - Weasel
USA Shooting: Match Finder
Sig Sauer Acaademy: Shooting Classes and Training
SGAmmo - another excellent online ammo resource
AmmoSeek: Online Ammo Shopping Search Tool

***Mail Bag***

Last week in the comments our pal freaked mentioned he had a long gun he wanted to ID and here 'tis:

Maybe the horde can help me identify this rifle I inherited from my Grandfather who lived in Frederick Md and was originally from that area. It looks like it might have started off as a flintlock and was converted to cap, and it might have said “Baltimore” at one time. I have examined it with a magnifying glass but you can’t really see any more than what is in the pictures. That area is worn smooth.

Man, is that cooler than shit, or what? C'mon guys - help a brother out and help identify the rifle!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Happiness is

Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2019 07:00 PM (ZCEU2)

2 Gun smoke Grey, I like it
Corgis dutifully called btw

Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2019 07:02 PM (ZCEU2)

3 Doh! Fixed.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:03 PM (mkzGS)

4 Unidentified weapon seems to be a rifle as it looks like a octagon barrel, not thinking it's a mass produced.

Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2019 07:04 PM (ZCEU2)

5 Of course, that goldfish would quickly die in that lake.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 15, 2019 07:06 PM (orQOl)

6
Of course, that goldfish would quickly die in that lake.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

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It's a GOALfish.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 15, 2019 07:06 PM (13CQC)

7 legalinsurrection.com new-zealand to create national gun owner registry tighten firearms laws
https://tinyurl.com/y478hsmf

Wondering what NZ Frank thinks as it's what Democrats want to do here f they could.

Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2019 07:07 PM (ZCEU2)

8
Maybe analogous: Her Majesty says about breeding and showing dogs that you can have 40 years of experience or one year of experience 40 times.

In my 25 years in the sport I have found that the capacity people have for self-delusion is almost infinite.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 15, 2019 07:07 PM (7rVsF)

9 Weasel, thanks for the encouragement to suck less. I have been singularly unmotivated to go to the range the past seveal weeks.

Posted by: butch at September 15, 2019 07:07 PM (hXu8T)

10
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe is 21SEP19 in Chelsea, MI
Friday night we dine in Hell
at September 15, 2019 07:07 PM (KCxzN)

11 If you think you know more than your instructor, expect to pay twice as much and take twice as long. Assuming your instructor has a bit of an abuse kink.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 15, 2019 07:09 PM (3KT61)

12 the old rifle is just a piece of junk...

send it to me so it will feel at home with all the other old junk around here.

like me, for instance.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 15, 2019 07:09 PM (E8gJJ)

13 If you can't get it identified try reaching out to the curator at the Buffalo Bill Cody museum in Cody Wyoming. They have thousands of weapons on hand in a brand new museum facility.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 15, 2019 07:09 PM (axyOa)

14 As in any skill that requires practice, there is always going to be someone a little (maybe a lot) better than you.
So, compete against your own self.
Just try to be a little better than you were the day before.
Golf, music, archery, marksmanship, doesn't matter.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 15, 2019 07:09 PM (w7KSn)

15 it doesn't help that my sub-clinical hyperthyroidism gives my hands a slight case of the jitters at all times, even with my medication.

but yeah, i suck too.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 15, 2019 07:11 PM (E8gJJ)

16 There is American Revolutionary war firearm at the Museum of in Philadelphia that were converted to caps from flints.

Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2019 07:11 PM (ZCEU2)

17 That is a very cool antique.
But, I would not want to fire it.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 15, 2019 07:12 PM (w7KSn)

18 AltonJackson and I were at the indoor range at Huron Valley Guns yesterday and shot a few informal videos at the 7yd pistol range. I am not in any way an expert on pistol shooting technique, but after watching the videos, I immediately caught a few habits and tics that I have that are certainly not doing me any favors.

If you have a range that allows it, and you're not recording anyone who would rather not be recorded, setting up a phone or video camera on a tripod and watching yourself go through a few magazines could help you identify some things to work on.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 15, 2019 07:12 PM (t+qrx)

19 *waits patiently for the goldfish*

Posted by: Largemouth bass just off shore at September 15, 2019 07:12 PM (QQcVe)

20 Weasel used up all the Words Of Wisdom. I have nothing to say.

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 07:13 PM (PmjOn)

21 i disremember the details, but the feds have a way of reading serial numbers, etc that have been removed from the surface by looking at the way the underlying metal is deformed by the stamping process...

so it's doable, but i have no idea how one would go about that as a private citizen... maybe ask a gub museum, like the one in Wyoming?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 15, 2019 07:14 PM (E8gJJ)

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If you have a range that allows it, and you're not recording anyone who would rather not be recorded, setting up a phone or video camera on a tripod and watching yourself go through a few magazines could help you identify some things to work on.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 15, 2019 07:12 PM (t+qrx)
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This is an excellent recommendation!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:14 PM (mkzGS)

23
Weasel used up all the Words Of Wisdom. I have nothing to say.

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 07:13 PM (PmjOn)

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since when has that ever stopped anyone here?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 15, 2019 07:15 PM (E8gJJ)

24 Thanks for the gun thread, Mr. Weasel!

My next step is to go to a range and rent some gubs so I can pick a CC piece.

I kinda like the S&W EZ rack.

Posted by: Emmie at September 15, 2019 07:16 PM (i/wJA)

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20 Weasel used up all the Words Of Wisdom. I have nothing to say.

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 07:13 PM (PmjOn)
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You guys actually read this stuff?

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:17 PM (mkzGS)

26 You guys actually read this stuff?
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:17 PM (mkzGS)

It's the only way to catch the Hello Kitty references hidden in every Gun Thread post.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 15, 2019 07:17 PM (t+qrx)

27 It's been about a couple of weeks since I last went to the range. Hoping to go this week.

The advice about sucking applies not just to shooting but many other aspects of life. My problem is I beat myself up for not getting the hang of something right away, or for performing worse than I think I ought to.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2019 07:18 PM (NWiLs)

28 24 Thanks for the gun thread, Mr. Weasel!

My next step is to go to a range and rent some gubs so I can pick a CC piece.

I kinda like the S&W EZ rack.
Posted by: Emmie at September 15, 2019 07:16 PM (i/wJA)
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You're welcome, Emmie!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:18 PM (mkzGS)

29 Weasel!

*smooch*

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2019 07:19 PM (NWiLs)

30 29 Weasel!

*smooch*
Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2019 07:19 PM (NWiLs)

Get a room, you two!

Posted by: Emmie at September 15, 2019 07:20 PM (i/wJA)

31 This is an excellent recommendation!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:14 PM (mkzGS)

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i concur: breaking bad habits starts with identifying them.

and when you do, break yourself of them one at a time, unless they are *directly* related.

don't be like the newbie "coach" i had at an Appleseed event: i was ill that day, and had the shakes too (from my then undiagnosed hyperthyroidism) and was shooting like shit.

rather than address one issue at a time, he kept listing them all,one after another, to the point where i said the magic words and sat under the pop up for the rest of the day.

don't be that guy. i don't blame Appleseed, because it's a great program, but some people have no idea how to teach/coach.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 15, 2019 07:21 PM (E8gJJ)

32 29 Weasel!

*smooch*
Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2019 07:19 PM (NWiLs)
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*brohug?*

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:21 PM (mkzGS)

33 Nice piece freaked!

That pic reminded me I have a similar rifle hanging on a wall. Also cap and from my grandfather's place. I've never fired it. Hmmmm. . .

No range time this past week but going on Tuesday - taking two inexperienced gals. The are looking to get their concealed carry license eventually and need to get a bit of familiarity before taking the basic classes.

I have been having terrific responses to inviting folks to the range lately. They are, by in large, not hard core conservatives or even big fans of Mr. Trump necessarily but they really don't like the tone of the dem weapon spewings. Nice!

Posted by: Tonypete at September 15, 2019 07:21 PM (Y4EXg)

34 Want to really be humbled? Have guys shooting peep sights out shoot you and you're using a scope.

We have guys at our 200 yard high power matches who hit the x-ring with boring regularity using just iron sights.

The range where I shoot has a steel gong at 300 yards. When I shoot the M1, I try to see how many times I can hit the thing in a row. Usually, when trying for the gong, I shoot kneeling.

There's also a good size steel target at 175 yards that I tend to start with before moving out to 300 yards.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 07:21 PM (WEBkv)

35 If I remember from watching shows like Forensic Files the stamping deforms the underlying metal so it has a memory of the serial number. Then the tech uses some type of acid that can reveal all or part of the serial number.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 15, 2019 07:22 PM (3KT61)

36 You guys actually read this stuff?
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:17 PM (mkzGS

Like Gospel, Boss. I'm trying to not suck so much.

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 07:22 PM (PmjOn)

37 15 it doesn't help that my sub-clinical hyperthyroidism gives my hands a slight case of the jitters at all times, even with my medication.

but yeah, i suck too.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 15, 2019 07:11 PM (E8gJJ)

Not that you should listen to a rando on the internet but you might also look at your regular meds to see if any of those cause tremor & discuss with your PHCP modifying when they are taken on the days you go shoot. If it's been a while since they checked your thyroid panel it might be worth looking at it again. The tremor shouldn't interfere with your life.

Posted by: batterup at September 15, 2019 07:22 PM (U2JQS)

38 The NYT today: "Having a penis thrust in your face at a drunken dorm party may seem like harmless fun"

We have different ideas about fun, but knock yourself out, Pinch.

Posted by: Joe Biden for Polident 2020! at September 15, 2019 07:23 PM (Ndje9)

39 Too bad GreyFox isn't around. He is something of an expert on vintage black powder guns.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2019 07:23 PM (CDGwz)

40 Unless you are a competitive shooter, being tore up cause you can't do 3"-4" groups is a bit dumb in my view.

Also all this prep and what you want to accomplish and stuff is bit much and makes the trip to the range more like work.

Me I'm satisfied if I can get all the holes in a group that would be within a target shaped like a human torso. That's all you need for defense. If you want to gain more control or see where you tend to shoot, Use some cardboard circles about 9-12" and use them for a target rather than hang a big 2'x2' paper target up there. Then you can easily take them down when done and compare between sessions.

Me it's the manual of arms for a particular weapon that is more important than most of the rest of the stuff.

Know your firearm. Rent different stuff from what you own so you can see if you could do better than what you've got.

And btw, sometimes it IS a new grip, a new set of sights or scope or even a different weapon.

Make it mostly fun and you'll go more often. If you're serious then that's okay but most of us don't have the money or the time. I tend to do what's fun rather than work when it's a recreational thing mostly.

And if it's only self defense then buy a shotgun cause that will do the job much better close quarters than even a hand gun.

Just sayin'

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 15, 2019 07:23 PM (cxIsI)

41
Then the tech uses some type of acid that can reveal all or part of the serial number.

Posted by: Anna Puma

As we know, all forensics lab findings are infallible.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 15, 2019 07:24 PM (7rVsF)

42 Above the letters MORE there appears to be remnants of a Federal Eagle. Below MORE, possibly the word infantry. Back then, as now, military rifles were repurposed into sporters. This could be the case here. Maybe a federal musket surplused to a state militia, and then surplused to a broker. Some gunsmith may have just used the lock

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 15, 2019 07:24 PM (C1Lsn)

43 Okay, now this is a downer.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 07:24 PM (ZYB2s)

44 No range time this past week but going on Tuesday - taking two inexperienced gals. The are looking to get their concealed carry license eventually and need to get a bit of familiarity before taking the basic classes.

I have been having terrific responses to inviting folks to the range lately. They are, by in large, not hard core conservatives or even big fans of Mr. Trump necessarily but they really don't like the tone of the dem weapon spewings. Nice!
Posted by: Tonypete at September 15, 2019 07:21 PM (Y4EXg)
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Excellent.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:25 PM (mkzGS)

45 LOL Hadrian.

They tend to be unless the state is Taxatwocehttes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 15, 2019 07:25 PM (3KT61)

46 My name is Cicero and I suck.

*sits down*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 07:25 PM (ZYB2s)

47 46 My name is Cicero and I suck.

*sits down*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 07:25 PM (ZYB2s)

Hi Cicero!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2019 07:26 PM (NWiLs)

48 Best pistol practice I've ever had? A null target.

A null target is a target with a circle cut out.

Plays mind tricks with one, when trying to stay inside the hole and not put a round on the perimeter.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 07:26 PM (WEBkv)

49 They are, by in large, not hard core conservatives or even big fans of Mr. Trump necessarily but they really don't like the tone of the dem weapon spewings. Nice!
Posted by: Tonypete at September 15, 2019 07:21 PM (Y4EXg)

Green shoots!

Shoots. Get it?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 07:26 PM (ZYB2s)

50 If I remember from watching shows like Forensic Files the stamping deforms the underlying metal so it has a memory of the serial number. Then the tech uses some type of acid that can reveal all or part of the serial number.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Does this work if the item in question has been (tragically) lost at the bottom of a lake? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2019 07:26 PM (CDGwz)

51 Plays mind tricks with one, when trying to stay inside the hole and not put a round on the perimeter

Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh heh.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2019 07:27 PM (NWiLs)

52 The method for finding stamped markings that are gone from the surface uses an acid process so it's probably not good for a heirloom.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 15, 2019 07:27 PM (cxIsI)

53 My store has for sale at $148 an H+R Pardner short barrel 12ga pump shotgun. Perfect for close quarters. Alas no bayonet lug. But the thing is hefty enough to be used as a bludgeoning weapon if all else fails.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 15, 2019 07:28 PM (3KT61)

54
Prosecutor: What's the serial number of the weapon?

Technician: What number do you need?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 15, 2019 07:29 PM (7rVsF)

55 Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 15, 2019 07:23 PM (cxIsI)
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The point I'm making is to identify and work towards a goal. If your goal is X level of proficiency, then work towards towards that.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:29 PM (mkzGS)

56 53 My store has for sale at $148 an H+R Pardner short barrel 12ga pump shotgun. Perfect for close quarters. Alas no bayonet lug. But the thing is hefty enough to be used as a bludgeoning weapon if all else fails.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 15, 2019 07:28 PM (3KT61)
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Eh, couple of zip ties or hose clamps and, voila! Bayonet is mounted!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 07:29 PM (WEBkv)

57 How acidic is the water? Lake full of acid rain?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 15, 2019 07:29 PM (3KT61)

58 Oh silly me, caliber of the unknown weapon might actually help, guessing .50 caliber.

Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2019 07:29 PM (ZCEU2)

59 I have been having terrific responses to inviting folks to the range lately. They are, by in large, not hard core conservatives or even big fans of Mr. Trump necessarily but they really don't like the tone of the dem weapon spewings. Nice!
Posted by: Tonypete at September 15, 2019 07:21 PM (Y4EXg

This is encouraging news!

Posted by: Emmie at September 15, 2019 07:30 PM (i/wJA)

60 Eh, couple of zip ties or hose clamps and, voila! Bayonet is mounted!
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 07:29 PM (WEBkv)

So what about the chainsaw? Those suckers are heavy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 07:30 PM (ZYB2s)

61
Weasel used up all the Words Of Wisdom.

Let it be

Posted by: The Beatles at September 15, 2019 07:30 PM (aKsyK)

62 Hey the octopoid is back and off subject

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 15, 2019 07:31 PM (3KT61)

63 FREE For "veterans of the current wars (1998 - Present)" ["Our next Vets classes will be held in 2021 and the registration for them will open up in the Summer of 2020"]:
https://www.gunsite.com/ classes/ vets-250-pistol-class/
https://www.gunsite.com/ classes/ vets-223-gunsite-carbine-class-2/

...and Morons far from AZ (not free):
https://www.gunsite.com/ mobile-training-team/

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 15, 2019 07:31 PM (0ReGO)

64 I always believe you have room to improve.

The fun is when you go to the range and it all goes south but you push through and right the ship. Broken firing pin, learn to swap it out. Bad ammo going click....bang.....hold steady on target. Ejector pin falls out, pop it back in. Magazine spring dies, feed one round at a time. Squib stuck in the barrel, get out the hammer and rod. It's all fun and good training.

This week I took the old Nagant revolver to the range. If you can shoot the Nagant, you can shoot any hand gun. Wore a blister on my finger just unloading and reloading the old beast. Good shooter, but Lord it makes you work. The trigger in double action is a nightmare but it keeps you focused.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 15, 2019 07:31 PM (Z+IKu)

65 Or not...

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 15, 2019 07:31 PM (3KT61)

66 #53 - I've got a bayonet lug on my Remington 870.

Because 'MURICA!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 15, 2019 07:32 PM (j4zcI)

67 There's a import co. SDS Imports that is selling a few models of magazine fed shot guns at a price very competitive with the name brands.

There one that is Turkish made that has a spring assist for the slide.

Magazines are 5 round and I believe they can use Saiga magazines so you can have 10 or 15.

No pistol grip on stock or slide.

That's my immediate buy before any new law goes into effect if they enact some dumb law and it looks like to be a pain or a ghost registration scheme.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 15, 2019 07:32 PM (cxIsI)

68 Has a Wooden ramrod too.

Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2019 07:33 PM (ZCEU2)

69 I wanted to buy my husband a copy of the Kentucky rifle book that's out of print that you guys talk about every now and again. Could anyone tell me which ky rifle book? Author? Looks like there are several different ones. TIA.

Posted by: NCKate at September 15, 2019 07:33 PM (lknvV)

70 .50 caliber halfstock screams Plains rifle. But beyond that, I dunno. Any barrel markings?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 15, 2019 07:33 PM (j4zcI)

71 The point I'm making is to identify and work towards a goal. If your goal is X level of proficiency, then work towards towards that.
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:29 PM (mkzGS)
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This actually applies to personal weapons.

Having a bunch of guns is fun, but being proficient with the ones that will be used if things go sideways should always be the goal.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 07:33 PM (WEBkv)

72
alas, by the time we got done shooting, both the restaurant & the barber shop were closed

yes, having video of yourself shooting is a huge help

The range at Huron Valley Guns kicks eleven flavors of ass. The programmable target controllers were excellent, I hadn't shot on that kind of set up for a very long time (I usually shoot at the state parks outdoor ranges).

Got some good work in on acquisition & double tap (kind of slo-mo double tap, the range rule was 1 second between shots); one hand, off hand.

the 1911 is challenging to shoot left handed, especially mag changes

cranked off some +P through my Ruger Speed Six as the "change of pace" gun; I shot the revolver semi-surprisingly well off-hand

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe is 21SEP19 in Chelsea, MI
Friday night we dine in Hell
at September 15, 2019 07:34 PM (KCxzN)

73 This week I took the old Nagant revolver to the range. If you can shoot the Nagant, you can shoot any hand gun. Wore a blister on my finger just unloading and reloading the old beast. Good shooter, but Lord it makes you work. The trigger in double action is a nightmare but it keeps you focused.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 15, 2019 07:31 PM (Z+IKu)

You can just put your dick on an anvil and hit it with a hammer and save yourself a trip to the range, you know.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 07:34 PM (ZYB2s)

74 I wonder if making a pencil rubbing might reveal more of the markings. Just spitballing.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:34 PM (mkzGS)

75 " Thoughts on the Kentucky Rifle..." by Kindig?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 15, 2019 07:36 PM (j4zcI)

76 Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:29 PM (mkzGS)

I got that. I just thought you were being a bit too goal oriented for ppl who aren't as driven to being the best shooter. If that's there thing then that's fine.

I can relate. It's just that shooting is not my area of obsession.

Plus sometimes trying too hard can be a hindrance. Too much stress.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 15, 2019 07:36 PM (cxIsI)

77 NCKate though out of print have you tried looking for used books?

Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2019 07:41 PM (ZCEU2)

78 I also forget that many other states require testing and grading in a school like setting to qualify for a carry license.

My bad. I could wish we had a bit more stringency for our carry license in PA but not to the extent and expense of some other states.

Still it's an artifact of the way they drew up the definitions of a firearm and where and when you can transport it. Probably due to the numbers of hunters we get every year from the East Coast.

Just to transport a firearm in a vehicle requires that you have a carry license for FIREARMS as defined. But NO ONE can carry a loaded long arm. I'm assuming that's so you don't have guys shooting from the road.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 15, 2019 07:41 PM (cxIsI)

79 I'm just happy that gangsta Corn Pop didn't have a piece like that! Ol' Joe might not be here now, hand to god

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 15, 2019 07:41 PM (Izzlo)

80 Not that you should listen to a rando on the
internet but you might also look at your regular meds to see if any of
those cause tremor discuss with your PHCP modifying when they are
taken on the days you go shoot. If it's been a while since they checked
your thyroid panel it might be worth looking at it again. The tremor
shouldn't interfere with your life.

Posted by: batterup at September 15, 2019 07:22 PM (U2JQS)
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LOL.... the tremors pre-date any meds, so they aren't it.

also, i'm really taking only 2 Rx drugs, one of which is not absorbed from the gut, and the other reduced my tremors.

not to mention i'm an Rx tech IRL and live with a pharmacist.

all that being said, your point is well taken, and something all us 29 year olds should consider, as well as some of you youngsters who need to get off my lawn.

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx Tech at September 15, 2019 07:42 PM (E8gJJ)

81 No range report this week. I has sadz.
I also ache like a sonofagun. Weed whacked with a blade for five! hours today all the way up the BIG hill and out to my tree stand. Then two and a half more trying to reset the stand to the north side of the tree. Heavy metal two person stand and only one person to do the work.
And at one point (I might have been gasping for breath), I hear a big snuffle-snort behind me.
Oh, shit. All I have is my little .380 peashooter. So I clap my hands real loud and high tail it up the ladder.
Spoiler. I survived.

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 07:42 PM (PmjOn)

82 I wonder if making a pencil rubbing might reveal more of the markings. Just spitballing.
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:34 PM (mkzGS)

Magnaflux might be worth a try. Non-destructive, at any rate.

Just got back from a trip the Rio Salado outdoor range as a guest of Moron, Osprey. He was kind enough to let me shoot his AR-15 and Taurus TX-22. For some reason the latter failed to feed properly twice, while in my hands. I may not have been gripping it firmly enough.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 15, 2019 07:44 PM (jEgzt)

83 Nagant revolvers are fun. Back in the 70's, before you could get the proper ammo, we used to shoot them with .32 S&W longs. Worked fine, though the cases bulged a bit.

Posted by: eastofsuez at September 15, 2019 07:44 PM (U2zca)

84 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson
.............
Who you callin' girly??
I just read your link about the Mi Meet.. sounds like fun.. wife and I are heading up to Door County, Wi the following weekend, so that would be way too much driving for my sorry old ass.. have fun everyone!
Although it is probably too early in the fall, I recall that Chelsea, Mi is one of the most beautiful towns in the fall.. they have whole blocks with yellow maples that are spectacular!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 15, 2019 07:44 PM (438dO)

85 NCKate, if it's Kindig's book you're looking for, Track of the Wolf has a new edition in print with 46 color pages. A little spendy at $125, but 610 pages, over 800 illustrations and 46 color pages in hardback doesn't come cheap.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 15, 2019 07:45 PM (j4zcI)

86 I remember that terrifying experience I had back in the early 60s meeting the notorious gang leaders, Snap, Crackle and Pop!

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 15, 2019 07:45 PM (L2ZTs)

87 Sra blaster and I went to the NRA range today.

We took our Sigs. My new to me 226 and mamas 365.

First time with the 226. I would describe it as a precision blunt instrument. It works. I am capable of some good shots with it but I admit it I suck. I am not a consistent shooter. Need more time at the range.

The functions are similar to my Ruger P95 DC. SA/DA with a decocker. But the controls are in different places took me a bit to get familiar. The slide lock is tough for me to engage with my thumb. I like the SA trigger feel a LOT. The DA is not bad. Better than the P95.

The 365 is still a champ. DAO of course.

Took inventory of the locker this week. 650 rds each of 9 and 5.56. 1400 of 22LR. Assorted 12 ga.

Among the 9 mm were 250 of Tula steel case. We took 3 boxes of that crap to the range to get it out of inventory. It is crap. Had 3 FTFs. 2 in the 226. I figured it would eat anything. Apparently not that Tula crap.

Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2019 07:45 PM (ZfRYq)

88 An excellent Twitter thread here with 80% of the replies disabusing leftists of their scary black gun fantasies.

https://twitter.com/artnnature/status/
1172633386478952448

Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 07:46 PM (Dh1wo)

89 freaked, for identification have you tried rubbing it with a soft lead pencil to bring out the letters?
You can also use tracing paper over the metal an rub the pencil on it.

You've got something to work with it just needs contrast and the right lighting. Lighting can also make shadows that can help.

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 15, 2019 07:46 PM (HOFbR)

90 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 15, 2019 07:44 PM (jEgzt)
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Another trick is to rub in white crayon into the markings but that might just make a mess. It's easily cleaned up, but I'm not sure that would work in this case.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:47 PM (mkzGS)

91
redc1c4, do you take any supplements? my PCP suggested taking milk thistle when I had a tremor issue years ago; it's 'sposed to help with the nervous system. I've been taking it daily for years now & do not have the tremor issue hardly at all now

YMMV, of course

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe is 21SEP19 in Chelsea, MI
Friday night we dine in Hell
at September 15, 2019 07:48 PM (KCxzN)

92 Who you callin' girly??
...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 15, 2019 07:44 PM (438dO)

Well, you were a girl yesterday or day before.
Some of the folks here need to decide what sex they are and stick with it.

Posted by: Frosty at September 15, 2019 07:49 PM (UX5QD)

93 Another trick is to rub in white crayon into the markings but that might just make a mess. It's easily cleaned up, but I'm not sure that would work in this case.
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:47 PM (mkzGS)

Well, I suggested Magnaflux because the stamping process may have disturbed the magnetic domains in the steel, and putting a magnetic flux through the piece, with the magnetic powder on the surface, you might see something. It certainly can reveal cracks.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 15, 2019 07:50 PM (jEgzt)

94 Got my Tailhook "pistol brace" for the AR "pistol" I'm going to build. I'm sending my 16" .300 Blackout barrel to ADCO to get it chopped to 11.5", then screwing it onto an A1 upper receiver for an XM-177 vibe.

No faux-moderator XM-177 flash hider, just a standard birdcage, cuz that's all.300 Blackout needs out of 11.5".

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 15, 2019 07:51 PM (j4zcI)

95 You can just put your dick on an anvil and hit it with a hammer and save yourself a trip to the range, you know.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 07:34 PM (ZYB2s)

Hahaha...yup. I feel the old gal deserves some range time now and then but she is a pure bitch.

I always come away with less skin on my hands somewhere....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 15, 2019 07:51 PM (Z+IKu)

96 Back in the 80's, we had a man who wanted an old flintlock pistol chrome plated. My boss told him it was a bad idea, and he wouldn't be held responsible if it all went bad. The guy insisted and when it was prepped in the acid tank, it was gone like a Nazi opening the Ark of the Covanent.

Posted by: Downcast at September 15, 2019 07:51 PM (p6Q7Q)

97 I love myself so much, I had my cooter chrome plated!

Posted by: AOC at September 15, 2019 07:52 PM (L2ZTs)

98
Although it is probably too early in the fall, I recall that Chelsea, Mi is one of the most beautiful towns in the fall.. they have whole blocks with yellow maples that are spectacular!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 15, 2019 07:44 PM

yes, that's the place...although Chelsea's real attraction is the Jiffy Mix plant, which is glorious year round & twice on Sundays

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe is 21SEP19 in Chelsea, MI
Friday night we dine in Hell
at September 15, 2019 07:53 PM (KCxzN)

99 Sweet gun, freaked !
I gotta defer to the rest of the Horde, onnacounta I know zip about anything b4 20th century. Hope you find out !

Jeebus, I had my "you suck" moment about 40 years ago ... had my brand-new 66 on the (indoor) range, shooting all over the target.
A slot or two over was a little oriental guy (who turned out to be a Chicago cop) who was tastefully obliterating the 10 ring; I asked him if he would care to try a few rounds with mine, he made one largish hole with irregular edges ... and gave me a few succinct pointers which helped a lot, though still not that great, it was enough to cure me of any idea that my equipment was faulty.

I try to keep this in mind, even today.

Moar after I re-beer ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 15, 2019 07:53 PM (8fHBx)

100

Well, I suggested Magnaflux because the stamping process may have disturbed the magnetic domains in the steel, and putting a magnetic flux through the piece, with the magnetic powder on the surface, you might see something. It certainly can reveal cracks.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 15, 2019 07:50 PM (jEgzt)
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WeaselWoman is a preschool teacher so I have access to a lot of crayons!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:53 PM (mkzGS)

101 That Beto is Salesman of the Year, isn't he?

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 15, 2019 07:54 PM (w7KSn)

102 96 Back in the 80's, we had a man who wanted an old flintlock pistol chrome plated. My boss told him it was a bad idea, and he wouldn't be held responsible if it all went bad. The guy insisted and when it was prepped in the acid tank, it was gone like a Nazi opening the Ark of the Covanent.
Posted by: Downcast at September 15, 2019 07:51 PM (p6Q7Q)

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Probably a good thing it disintegrated in the acid bath, because I can imagine the metal being weakened, due to the acid, to the point the gun would have blown up when someone tried to fire it.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 07:54 PM (WEBkv)

103 That gun is an early version of the AK16. You can tell by the thing that goes up. I bet when you pull the trigger that thing moves so fast it's just a blur, spewing iron, fire, and smoke for miles and miles. Am I right?

Posted by: Eromero at September 15, 2019 07:54 PM (UUkQp)

104 Jeebus, I had my "you suck" moment about 40 years ago ... had my brand-new 66 on the (indoor) range, shooting all over the target.
A slot or two over was a little oriental guy (who turned out to be a Chicago cop) who was tastefully obliterating the 10 ring; I asked him if he would care to try a few rounds with mine, he made one largish hole with irregular edges ... and gave me a few succinct pointers which helped a lot, though still not that great, it was enough to cure me of any idea that my equipment was faulty.

I try to keep this in mind, even today.

Moar after I re-beer ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 15, 2019 07:53 PM (8fHBx)
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Heh, my "you suck" moments came recently when I realized the reason I was all over the target was due to not having a firm grasp on the pistol.

I made and handed myself my very own sign.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 07:56 PM (WEBkv)

105 WeaselWoman is a preschool teacher so I have access to a lot of crayons!
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:53 PM (mkzGS)
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Did WW become a kindergarten teacher before or after she met you?

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 07:57 PM (WEBkv)

106
That gun is an early version of the AK16. You can tell by the thing that goes up. I bet when you pull the trigger that thing moves so fast it's just a blur, spewing iron, fire, and smoke for miles and miles. Am I right?

Posted by: Eromero at September 15, 2019 07:54 PM

it shoots shrapnel at eleventeen thousand miles per hour so it's obviously a weapon of war because you can't hunt with a shrapnel gun, there would be nothing left of the game

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe is 21SEP19 in Chelsea, MI
Friday night we dine in Hell
at September 15, 2019 07:58 PM (KCxzN)

107
Well, you were a girl yesterday or day before.

Some of the folks here need to decide what sex they are and stick with it.

Posted by: Frosty
........
What? What?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 15, 2019 07:58 PM (438dO)

108
Did WW become a kindergarten teacher before or after she met you?
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 07:57 PM (WEBkv)
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Well before, but I'm pretty certain she uses many of the same techniques in dealing with me!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 07:59 PM (mkzGS)

109 Words Of Less Wisdom (yup, redc1c4, I'm going for it. Becuz Moron):
Keep records. When I go to shoot, it's always with a purpose in mind. But the knowledge gained means nothing if you don't track it.
I think that's one reason I enjoy reloading. I'm always competing against myself, trying to improve on the last load.
And because I forget shit, I write it down. I have range cards taped to my ARs. And I have my little black book with scope settings for every rifle. The .22s are a hoot.

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 07:59 PM (PmjOn)

110 Better get this chrome-plated sock off quick...

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 15, 2019 07:59 PM (L2ZTs)

111 My dear old dad had a kick for russki small arms. The first rifle I ever fired was a New England Westinghouse M1891. From the bench it knocked me off the stool. I laughed as my seven year old ass hit the deck; been shooting ever since.

At a gunshow he picked up a load of 7.62x54R APIT, Soviet stuff. Headstampted 1928. Corrosive as all get out, so much gun scrubbing afterwards. It all fired, but after a pronounced delay. Squeeze, click, wait, boom. About a one second hang fire, but it taught us about follow through.

As kids it was fun to shoot, as we aimed at the steel target supports from 100 yards. That stuff blew right through the metal. The tracer compound didn't work after all the years, but the incindiary sure did, and started a few small blazes. Good times.

Posted by: eastofsuez at September 15, 2019 08:00 PM (U2zca)

112 If he wanted it chrome plated he wanted to shoot it, if he wanted to shoot it get a reproduction.

Posted by: Skip at September 15, 2019 08:00 PM (ZCEU2)

113 Last week my Mauser C96 finally returned from the shop with is new barrel insert. I spent a couple of days just using my bore light and savoring the look of actual *rifling* in the pistol.

Today I went to the Moron Lake range and decided to have an impromptu competition between it and the Webley Mk VI to see which was more accurate.

Things started well as I familiarized myself with its grips and sight picture and then it was gone.
The rear sights were gone.

I looked around and found them on the ground behind me. I set them back where they were supposed to go and noticed the spring was missing. I found that ten feet farther back.

I put it all back together and fired a test shot, then another and this time I was able to recognize the smack of the rear sights hitting the top of my hat.

I found them, set them in the case, and eventually found the spring. In the mean time I shot using the space where the rear sight *used to be* and was reasonably accurate.

My theory is that all the CLP I've put on it has loosened up the crust and gunk holding the sights in place. I shall scrub that portion down and see if I can get a replacement spring.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 15, 2019 08:01 PM (cfSRQ)

114 I am guessing the folks at the following website would be able to assist in identification of the cool old gun:

https://historicalarms.com/

Posted by: TxMarko at September 15, 2019 08:02 PM (IjobB)

115 Maybe we just suck.

Posted by: Uber and Lyft at September 15, 2019 08:03 PM (EgshT)

116 Upcoming date with Mrs G candidate: the range. We'll see how it goes. She hasn't shot a gun since she was a girl at summer camp.

Posted by: Bert G at September 15, 2019 08:03 PM (OMsf+)

117 Also next lane over at the range today was a guy who was just wiping out the middle of a target with a 1911.

He was just nibbling at the edges of the hole so he could be sure he was hitting.

Reinforced my suckiness.

Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2019 08:03 PM (ZfRYq)

118 Nobody needs a Glock automatic semi machine gun!!! *hic*

Posted by: Wine Moms at September 15, 2019 08:05 PM (EgshT)

119 freaked - I may know a dealer that could identify that for you. Drop me another email to remind me please.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 08:05 PM (mkzGS)

120 Great thread, as usual, weasel.

But, I must wander!

later, all!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 08:07 PM (WEBkv)

121 The strange thing was that for once I was actually decent with the Webley. I've been shooting left since I got it, but I'm finally getting feel for it and the shots are moving closer to the ten ring.

I pay a lot more attention to my grip now - especially the easily-overlooked pinky.

I read something about that somewhere.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 15, 2019 08:07 PM (cfSRQ)

122
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 15, 2019 08:07 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks and adios, blake!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 08:07 PM (mkzGS)

123 That poster is a moron

Posted by: G marks the spot at September 15, 2019 08:08 PM (mrrpb)

124 Just watched a video of a guy playing the Star Spangled Banner on metal plates with a 30 round .22.

That's sums it up right there.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 15, 2019 08:08 PM (2DOZq)

125 Okay, here is a lot of guess work partly based on impressions. The muzzleloader is probably rifled since smoothbores were seldom guven octagon barrels. It may well be custom made as the wood appears to be good quality and if the brass side plate is original (I can't tell) it is a bit fancier than the simple washer needed to retain the lock screw. The crescent butt points toward early-ish 1800s or later. Butt stocks in the mid to late 1700s tended to be flat. The lock appearers to me to be a retro fitted flintlock converted to percussion, a common practice. The bolster holding the nipple doesn't seem to match the age of the other metal. I can't tell if it was full stock originally because the nose cap looks to fit very well.

I'll guess it was made as a flintlock for an individual in the early 1800s later converted to percussion. Best guess.

Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 08:08 PM (bmdz3)

126 The fish poster is a moron. Sorry for any insult or confusion you morons

Posted by: G marks the spot at September 15, 2019 08:10 PM (mrrpb)

127 Just got back from out of town and I see Grandpa's rifle is on here. Thanks Weasel!

The caliber appears to be something between 30-06 and 35 Remington. No, I would not fire this gun. I don't think it's been fired in over 100 years. I wish I knew where he got it.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 08:11 PM (Tnijr)

128 Weasel,

A while back, you recommended a specfic book, I think on ballistics. Can you please repeat that?

Also, a question about using Templilaq for annealing. I'm assuming (there's that word again) you paint it on the inside of the case neck because putting it on the outside would expose it to the direct flame of the torch. So once you've annealed, do you do something to clean it out of the neck or does seating the bullet just scape it off?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 15, 2019 08:11 PM (qc+VF)

129 The blue zip tie is on there because it is missing the pin that holds the barrel to the stock.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 08:12 PM (Tnijr)

130 Nobody needs a Glock automatic semi machine gun!!! *hic*
Posted by: Wine Moms at September 15, 2019 08:05 PM (EgshT)

Nice snark but reminded me that the Glock 18 is one bad mamajama though . Some cool vids of shooting one with a 100 rd mag.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 15, 2019 08:13 PM (2DOZq)

131 Speaking of things that go snuffle snort in the woods, there was a Yuge moose trotting around on I-93 south of Franconia NH yesterday morning. The few cars on the road had their blinkers on and everyone slowed down to look. I was maybe 20 feet away when I creeped by him. His legs had to be 5 feet and he had a huge rack.
He was a little put off by the gawkers so I didn't stop to get a pic. I should have.

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 08:14 PM (PmjOn)

132 NCKate - ABE books has several copies, at least one described as Very Good. Prices ~$100.00

http://tinyurl.com/y3f8tlts

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2019 08:16 PM (CDGwz)

133 NCKate though out of print have you tried looking for used books?

A\abebooks.com and alibris.com are good source for out of print books.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 15, 2019 08:16 PM (qc+VF)

134 Yes it is rifled. The butt is very concave. It would be uncomfortable for me to shoot and seems designed for a smaller person.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 08:17 PM (Tnijr)

135 125 Okay, here is a lot of guess work partly based on impressions. The muzzleloader is probably rifled since smoothbores were seldom guven octagon barrels. It may well be custom made as the wood appears to be good quality and if the brass side plate is original (I can't tell) it is a bit fancier than the simple washer needed to retain the lock screw. The crescent butt points toward early-ish 1800s or later. Butt stocks in the mid to late 1700s tended to be flat. The lock appearers to me to be a retro fitted flintlock converted to percussion, a common practice. The bolster holding the nipple doesn't seem to match the age of the other metal. I can't tell if it was full stock originally because the nose cap looks to fit very well.

I'll guess it was made as a flintlock for an individual in the early 1800s later converted to percussion. Best guess.
Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 08:08 PM (bmdz3)
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I KNEW JTB would come to the rescue!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 08:17 PM (mkzGS)

136 abebooks.com, that is.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 15, 2019 08:17 PM (qc+VF)

137 Reinforced my suckiness."

Nah. FWIW, I believe there is another factor, loosely defined as "talent", or a group of allied capabilities that make one person more capable of a certain act than another.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 15, 2019 08:17 PM (6qErC)

138 There are no marking on the barrel that I can identify.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 08:18 PM (Tnijr)

139 O - kay, back with an Original Leinenkugel ... they make so many special ones these days, it's king of hard to find a plain ol' Leinie these days.

Range Report:
Been loading Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr FTX in the Sig P290 for a while now, pretty much since I segued into that as a summertime concealed piece ... it was okay on the range, the holes it made in paper seemed bigger than those made by the Fiocchi 130 FMJ that I shoot as target ammo.
Was shopping the local gun store for .38 for the j-frame which will be returning to carry soon, and the nice man behind the counter dragged up a box of everything they had, among which was Hornady Critical Defense 119 gr FTX, non +P, which was just what I was looking for.
+P out of an airweight snubby is a bit bouncy and I found it degrading my not-all-that-great performance to a noticeable degree.
This was a bit blasty / flashy out of the short barrel, but not to the point of really impairing 2nd shot time / accuracy, and I noticed the same weird effect of the paper holes seeming larger.
Are they making such extreme hollowpoints these days that they actually expand before impact, or am I just seeing things ?

Overall, good; at 21 feet w/ the 9mm & .38, mostly 9 ring, a few fliers out to 8 (one handed, at eye level) ... my big struggle is to keep the mini .22 in the useful zone at more than tabletop distance, without going full 2-hand Weaver with full careful aim, but here maybe I am asking a lot from a marginal platform.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 15, 2019 08:18 PM (8fHBx)

140 This was for finding and copying hallmarks in silver from the UK Antiques Roadshow although I can't recall how badly disfigured the stamp was but use a candle flame to stain the surface with soot, then use a piece of transparent (I assume) tape and apply it over the blackened surface, peel it off and stick it onto a piece of white paper.

I just found this advice at an antiques chatboard:

Try this hint. Take a burning candle and put it close to the hallmarks so the black soot covers it. Blow out the candle and set side. Take a piece of clear or frosted cellophane tape and cover the hall marks and push down firmly. Lift the tape and place on a white piece of paper (I use note cards) so when it is Id'd I can write on the back. The marks show up under the tape. I learned this from the conservators at the MET in NYC. Besure to wash the soot off. Then you can scan the card and the hallmarks will really stand out. (Cited from: https://www.antiquers.com/ threads/help-with -hallmarks-on-a-few- miniatures.3284/)

Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 08:20 PM (Dh1wo)

141 That might be an Eagle above the "more". BRB.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 08:20 PM (Tnijr)

142 got the torque wrench the other day, but haven't mounted sights on the Steyr or the Barrett, although i did locate a source of Barrett ammo down near where Resident 3vil w*rks...

need to get some loc-tite.

any suggestion on which color/strength to use?

i don't want them coming loose, but i don't want them permanently attached either.

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx Tech at September 15, 2019 08:22 PM (E8gJJ)

143 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 15, 2019 08:11 PM (qc+VF)
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I was probably referring to one of Bryan Litz' books. He is a great shooter and a good guy. His company is Applied Ballistics, and there are 3 or 4 texts he has written. He's an actual rocket surgeon.

Templaq - I *think* I was using the 650 or 700 degree version. The templaq disappears when the desired temp is achieved. I only use it periodically to check myself. My technique is decidedly low-tech. Shoot (!) me an email if you would like to discuss.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 08:23 PM (mkzGS)

144 OT: Gld is up 22.50 and the prez has already said he'll open up the reserves if necessary.
It's going to be an interesting week.

Posted by: Frosty at September 15, 2019 08:23 PM (UX5QD)

145 Comparing the leaf spring on the rear sights with what the replacement looks like, it's clear my has passed its expiration date. So I'll order another.

Good thing I saved the bookmarks from when I was building this thing!

Weasel, you might consider a thread for people building/rebuilding guns. Now that I've done it once, I'm a lot bolder in my purchases of vintage guns since I know where I can find the parts necessary to upgrade them.

When I bought that Dreyse in May, one reason I was pissed about the service was that I could have fixed it sooner and better than the gunsmith just on my own. Of course I'd have paid more, but I'd also have a fully functional magazine.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 15, 2019 08:23 PM (cfSRQ)

146 i don't want them coming loose, but i don't want them permanently attached either."

Neither blue or red is "permanent" - "red" requires heat, blue will come loose with hand tools...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 15, 2019 08:25 PM (6qErC)

147 Are your gun buddies needling you about buying a Dreyse??

Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 08:25 PM (Dh1wo)

148 127 Just got back from out of town and I see Grandpa's rifle is on here. Thanks Weasel!

The caliber appears to be something between 30-06 and 35 Remington. No, I would not fire this gun. I don't think it's been fired in over 100 years. I wish I knew where he got it.
Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 08:11 PM (Tnijr)
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You bet! I thought of a dealer I've used who might be able to identify it for you. Email me if I forget.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 08:25 PM (mkzGS)

149 need to get some loc-tite.

any suggestion on which color/strength to use?
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Loc-tite Blue. Make sure all threads are oil free.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2019 08:26 PM (CDGwz)

150 Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx Tech at September 15, 2019 08:22 PM (E8gJJ)

Use the blue stuff.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 15, 2019 08:26 PM (Qf6sY)

151
Loc-tite Blue. Make sure all threads are oil free.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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Also, shake the Loc-tite well, and initially squeeze out enough onto paper or something to be sure that what you're getting is well mixed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2019 08:28 PM (CDGwz)

152 need to get some loc-tite."

Also, "uncle mikes" used to make "gun-tite"...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 15, 2019 08:28 PM (6qErC)

153 Affirm, blue.

And oil-free; wash with alcohol / acetone to assure this.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 15, 2019 08:28 PM (8fHBx)

154
BREAKING:

Ric Ocasek of the Cars found dead in his NYC flat by ex-wife Paulina Porizkova.

RIP

See the sidebar.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 15, 2019 08:29 PM (zBaqJ)

155 I kinda like the S&W EZ rack.
Posted by: Emmie

That's the one my wife carrys. She likes it a lot.

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 15, 2019 08:31 PM (VcFUs)

156 "Also, shake the Loc-tite well, and initially squeeze out enough onto paper or something to be sure that what you're getting is well mixed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2019 08:28 PM (CDGwz) "

What he said.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 15, 2019 08:31 PM (8fHBx)

157 Who is rid ocasek? Pardon my ignorance

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2019 08:31 PM (85Gof)

158 Ocasek was 75-79 . I didn't know he was that old.
That means he was already at least 35 when The Cars took off.

RIP

Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 08:31 PM (o1fzk)

159 Ric Ocasek of the Cars found dead in his NYC flat by ex-wife Paulina Porizkova."

Damn. Saw them in concert... a few years ago.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 15, 2019 08:31 PM (6qErC)

160 redc1c4, do you take any supplements? my PCP
suggested taking milk thistle when I had a tremor issue years ago; it's
'sposed to help with the nervous system. I've been taking it daily for
years now do not have the tremor issue hardly at all now

YMMV, of course

Posted by: AltonJackson
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i'll check it out.. how much per dose and how many times a day?

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx Tech at September 15, 2019 08:32 PM (E8gJJ)

161 If you wear glasses, get your prescription checked.
Seriously. My shooting improved phenomenally once I got my new lenses.

Posted by: Annalucia at September 15, 2019 08:32 PM (S6ArX)

162 Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 08:31 PM (o1fzk)

70

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 15, 2019 08:33 PM (2DOZq)

163 Well since this is a gun thread, the word was passed to us this weekend that all us medical types have to weapons qual every year. Lol, oh this will be fun

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2019 08:34 PM (85Gof)

164 Sorry Eddie Money 70 .

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 15, 2019 08:34 PM (2DOZq)

165 I'm not saying it's right and I'm not saying it's wrong, but one of the first images that you seen when walking into the Buffalo Bill Cody Arms Museum (The Firearms Museum that houses the most comprehensive collection of American firearms in the world...their claim.) is a cross-bow.
Just sayin'

Posted by: Diogenes at September 15, 2019 08:36 PM (axyOa)

166 If you wear glasses, get your prescription checked"

If it's reading glasses, there's no good solution for going back and forth... makes it difficult

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 15, 2019 08:36 PM (6qErC)

167 Ocasek was born in either '43 or '44

Married to Paulina for 28 years.
Nice.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 08:36 PM (o1fzk)

168 Now rockers from like the LATE '70's are dropping like flies.
And still, Keith Richards marches on....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 08:38 PM (o1fzk)

169 Ok did a rubbing and there is a maybe a W shaped mark above the "more" but I couldn't say if it's a Eagle. Also could not discern any more letters. Then I rubbed some chalk on it with the same result.

There is floral hurricane type mark to the rear of the lock that might be significant. It was in one of the pictures I sent to Weasel, but it looks like a swirly four bladed fan blade.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 08:38 PM (Tnijr)

170 Well since this is a gun thread, the word was passed to us this weekend that all us medical types have to weapons qual every year. Lol, oh this will be fun

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2019 08:34 PM

Daughter of Diogenes #1 was an Airborne qualified Army Nurse and fired Expert. Every time their quals came up she insisted on calling her M-16 the "bulletey shootey thingie" just to annoy her boss.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 15, 2019 08:39 PM (axyOa)

171 And still, Keith Richards marches on...."

He'll outlive twinkies

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 15, 2019 08:40 PM (6qErC)

172 Issued the Safariland SLS double retention holster for G17 Gen 4. Takes a little getting used to the draw, but seems pretty secure. Which I hope never put to the 'test'.

Posted by: Eromero at September 15, 2019 08:40 PM (UUkQp)

173 Daughter of Diogenes #1 was an Airborne qualified Army Nurse and fired Expert. Every time their quals came up she insisted on calling her M-16 the "bulletey shootey thingie" just to annoy her boss.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 15, 2019 08:39 PM (axyOa)

My daughter calls boot camp, bootie camp

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2019 08:40 PM (85Gof)

174 168 Now rockers from like the LATE '70's are dropping like flies.
And still, Keith Richards marches on....
Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 08:38 PM (o1fzk)

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Correction: Keith Richards shambles on.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 08:40 PM (ZYB2s)

175 : Keith Richards shambles on."

Next hit: Shamble On

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 15, 2019 08:42 PM (6qErC)

176

Posted by: Kindltot at September 15, 2019 08:43 PM (xG/b0)

177 it looks like a swirly four bladed fan blade.
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It's a chrysanthemum indicating it belonged to the Emperor of Japan! That also explains the small size of the butt's curve!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 08:43 PM (Dh1wo)

178 Dang. I'll listen to The Cars doing my deadlifts tonight.

Posted by: RBG at September 15, 2019 08:43 PM (JcXHH)

179 Well since this is a gun thread, the word was passed to us this weekend that all us medical types have to weapons qual every year. Lol, oh this will be fun

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2019 08:34 PM

Do good, and you get a ribbon, two if you qualify with both rifle and pistol.

It was always interesting to watch people read the lettuce and see those with an E on a line officer. Probably x10 on a medical officer.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 15, 2019 08:43 PM (DMUuz)

180 I agree with Weasel's approach to improving shooting. He didn't say becoming the best, just getting better to suit yourself. That's where the regular practice comes in. Trigger control, consistent grip, breathing properly, all contribute technique that lets the shooter make use of 'better' gear. Until the technique is comfortable and accustomed, newer guns and scopes won't help.

And this applies to other activities. I want to learn to draw and paint in retirement. I have no particular talent but I'm doing it for my own (and Mrs. JTB's) amusement. The same approach of regular practice makes the difference. So for now I stick with good pencils and other simple items to learn with.

Any of us who learned guitar as teenagers and played in public did the same thing.

Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 08:43 PM (bmdz3)

181 Ric Ocasec est mort...

Posted by: Hawkpilot at September 15, 2019 08:44 PM (O6yUy)

182 Do good, and you get a ribbon, two if you qualify with both rifle and pistol.

It was always interesting to watch people read the lettuce and see those with an E on a line officer. Probably x10 on a medical officer.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 15, 2019 08:43 PM (DMUuz)

I have already qualified on both and have thenribbons

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2019 08:45 PM (Rnzal)

183 Freaked, that's a nice rifle. As someone earlier mentioned it may be a federal rebuild into a plains rifle. That Rifle stock style is in countless photos, one famous one of a young Wild Bill Hickok standing with his rifle

Posted by: DBCooper at September 15, 2019 08:46 PM (bttOm)

184
i'll check it out.. how much per dose and how many times a day?

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx Tech at September 15, 2019 08:32 PM

I'm taking 175mg three time a day. Nothing fancy, just plain old grocery store supplement

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe is 21SEP19 in Chelsea, MI
Friday night we dine in Hell
at September 15, 2019 08:46 PM (KCxzN)

185 Wow, you people are on it. I thought I was pretty quick with that death knell.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at September 15, 2019 08:47 PM (O6yUy)

186 Sorry. Wasn't Wild Bill.

Posted by: DBCooper at September 15, 2019 08:47 PM (bttOm)

187 It was always interesting to watch people read the lettuce and see those with an E on a line officer. Probably x10 on a medical officer.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

It's also an absolute blast to be a crusty senior warrant with that E. We're supposed to drink coffee and harrass 0-1s, not shoot better than the 11B security force augmenting our warhead storage.

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 15, 2019 08:48 PM (VcFUs)

188 Ocasek was legit. RIP

Posted by: kallisto at September 15, 2019 08:48 PM (YCpVK)

189 I agree with Weasel's approach to improving shooting. He didn't say becoming the best, just getting better to suit yourself. That's where the regular practice comes in.
Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 08:43 PM (bmdz3)

And like redc1c4 mentioned, you can't focus on fixing everything at once, so don't try. Pick one or two things and focus on those for a while (however long that is). When you don't have to think about them any more, pick something else and focus on that.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 15, 2019 08:48 PM (t+qrx)

190 Please, post the link for the person shooting the notes of the Star Spangled Banner.
I gotta see if they get the sharpened 4th on the 11th note.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 15, 2019 08:49 PM (w7KSn)

191 More or less gun thread related
H/T WZ
shorturl.at/lvDGI

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 15, 2019 08:49 PM (BiNEL)

192 Do good, and you get a ribbon, two if you qualify with both rifle and pistol.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 15, 2019 08:43 PM (DMUuz)

I have both ribbons, but I don't bother with any of those 'E' or 'S' devices. They just slow me down. Very HSLD, you see.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 15, 2019 08:50 PM (t+qrx)

193 I have already qualified on both and have the ribbons

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2019 08:45 PM (Rnzal)

I would expect nothing less from an AoS dentist!!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 15, 2019 08:51 PM (BiNEL)

194 I recently got the Hornady Tenth edition reloading manual. To my surprise, it has a separate section for reloading the Garand. Since the Garand shouldn't use ammo above a certain pressure, this is darn helpful and improves safety.

Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 08:51 PM (bmdz3)

195 194 I recently got the Hornady Tenth edition reloading manual. To my surprise, it has a separate section for reloading the Garand.

Thanks! I'll have to get a copy. I'm hoping I can get a few hundred rounds ready before the TxMoMe.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 15, 2019 08:53 PM (qc+VF)

196 The Cars is one of those bands that defines a moment. For me anyway. The lead singer passed some time ago. Did Ric and Paulina have kids? They'd be tall, that's fer shur.

Posted by: kallisto at September 15, 2019 08:54 PM (YCpVK)

197 194 I recently got the Hornady Tenth edition reloading manual. To my surprise, it has a separate section for reloading the Garand. Since the Garand shouldn't use ammo above a certain pressure, this is darn helpful and improves safety.
Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 08:51 PM (bmdz3)
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I like the Hornady manuals. Very hard to get into trouble using them. As a matter of fact, I think Hornady sells a load specifically for the Garand

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 08:54 PM (mkzGS)

198
Sorry, It Probably Isn't the Gun
Self-explanatory. 'Nuff said.

Truth.

I am always very slow / reluctant to start making adjustments to the rifle when the rifle isn't hitting what I'm aiming at.

Slow as in several range session before I tweak anything. If the rifle is "off", it'll be consistently off; all the "bad" shots should be roughly grouped together.

My first inclination is not to measure minutes of angle, rather Minutes of Alton. It's not always me, 'cept for the times when it is me.

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe is 21SEP19 in Chelsea, MI
Friday night we dine in Hell
at September 15, 2019 08:55 PM (KCxzN)

199 Thank you for the gun thread, sir

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 15, 2019 08:56 PM (VcFUs)

200 Weasel!

*smooch*
Posted by: Insomniac

A "don't ask-don't tell" moment on the Gunga la Gunga .

Posted by: JT at September 15, 2019 08:56 PM (arJlL)

201 So long Ric Ocasek. Let the good times roll.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 08:57 PM (ZYB2s)

202 199 Thank you for the gun thread, sir
Posted by: BifBewalski at September 15, 2019 08:56 PM (VcFUs)
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Well you are most certainly welcome! Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 08:57 PM (mkzGS)

203 I kinda like the SW EZ rack.

Posted by: Emmie at September 15, 2019 07:16 PM (i/wJA)

I just went and looked up that weapon. Looks nice.

But, can anyone tell me what the little bump at the back-bottom of the trigger guard is for? It looks like a stop for the trigger. Why?

Posted by: GWB at September 15, 2019 08:58 PM (mRtYs)

204 Weasel, did you get my email?

Posted by: Ex-ex at September 15, 2019 08:58 PM (RU4sa)

205 Oh, my aching back. Does Motrin pair well with Pinot Grigio?

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 08:59 PM (PmjOn)

206 Did anyone see the Bidet Corn Pop thing? He told a story that was laughably implausible. He cut a six foot length of chain from the pool floater that separates the deep end? He took a plastic chain to a razor fight??

Posted by: kallisto at September 15, 2019 08:59 PM (YCpVK)

207 204 Weasel, did you get my email?
Posted by: Ex-ex at September 15, 2019 08:58 PM (RU4sa)
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I did. Sorry I haven't responded yet. I'll get you the info tomorrow when I'm back at home.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 08:59 PM (mkzGS)

208 "I'll guess it was made as a flintlock for an individual in the early 1800s later converted to percussion. Best guess."

Thanks JTB that was my guess too. You can see where the stock is charred and worn away around the top of the lock and hammer.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 09:00 PM (Tnijr)

209 when the rifle isn't hitting what I'm aiming at.

Posted by: AltonJackson ... at September 15, 2019 08:55 PM (KCxzN)

We have a saying in computers that might apply here, as well:
Computers don't do what you *want* them to do, they do exactly what you *tell* them to do.

Posted by: GWB at September 15, 2019 09:00 PM (mRtYs)

210 Daughter of Diogenes #1 was an Airborne qualified
Army Nurse and fired Expert. Every time their quals came up she
insisted on calling her M-16 the "bulletey shootey thingie" just to
annoy her boss.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 15, 2019 08:39 PM (axyOa)

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is she married?

asking for a friend

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx Tech at September 15, 2019 09:01 PM (E8gJJ)

211 Does Motrin pair well with Pinot Grigio?

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 08:59 PM (PmjOn)

Depends on which you apply first.

Posted by: GWB at September 15, 2019 09:01 PM (mRtYs)

212 147
Are your gun buddies needling you about buying a Dreyse??

Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 08:25 PM (Dh1wo)

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Hogmartin was a witness to its fail.

Note that the M1907 isn't a needle-gun, the company bought the name as a marketing ploy. It's a weird knock-off of a Browning 1900.

I hated it for a long time, but with patient cleaning I'm coming 'round on it.

Those tiny .32s have some pep! Fun to shoot so long as they don't jam up on ya.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 15, 2019 09:02 PM (cfSRQ)

213 207 204 Weasel, did you get my email?
Posted by: Ex-ex at September 15, 2019 08:58 PM (RU4sa)
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I did. Sorry I haven't responded yet. I'll get you the info tomorrow when I'm back at home.
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 08:59 PM (mkzGS)
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Thanks

Posted by: Ex-ex at September 15, 2019 09:02 PM (RU4sa)

214 205 Oh, my aching back. Does Motrin pair well with Pinot Grigio?
Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 08:59 PM (PmjOn)

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Depends. Are you all out of hot irons?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 09:02 PM (ZYB2s)

215 GWB, it's a trigger stop. When the safety is on, the trigger can be pulled all the way to that stop. I think it's to keep the mechanics of the trigger group from being over torqued through too much travel.

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 15, 2019 09:03 PM (VcFUs)

216 Ocasek was married three times and had six sons, two with each wife. His first son was born in 1970--so Ocasek has been around awhile.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 09:03 PM (o1fzk)

217 205
Oh, my aching back. Does Motrin pair well with Pinot Grigio?

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 08:59 PM (PmjOn)

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You mean of course the Val-U-Rite Pinot Grigio.

Also known as generic mouthwash.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 15, 2019 09:04 PM (cfSRQ)

218 I had Mrs f'd check it out and she says the bottom line under "MORE" on the lock says "Warrante"

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 09:04 PM (Tnijr)

219 Ocasek was married three times and had six sons, two with each wife. His first son was born in 1970--so Ocasek has been around awhile.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 09:03 PM (o1fzk)

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Oh, to be a lawyer in the middle of this clusterf*ck

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 09:04 PM (ZYB2s)

220 I heard Touch and Go by the Cars (my fav) on the radio this morning, weird

Posted by: Creek at September 15, 2019 09:05 PM (13BOh)

221 The official Sh!thole Index, percentage of a nation's population now making a home elsewhere.
twitter.com/simongerman600/status/1173312030746587136

If UK-born expats could vote, we'd be 6.8%. We're #10. Mexico is #4 so, yay, we're better than that. The #1 shitehole on the planet is Ireland.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 15, 2019 09:05 PM (ykYG2)

222
Depends. Are you all out of hot irons?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 09:02 PM (ZYB2s)

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Rub some dirt on it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 15, 2019 09:05 PM (cfSRQ)

223 I participate on a few firearm-related forums. When I answer questions or make comments, I make sure to say that this is how something worked for me; it's not a law of the universe. I want to offer guidance, not establish a science. Except about safety. I'm a cast iron SOB when it comes to safe gun handling.

Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 09:05 PM (bmdz3)

224 144 OT: Gld is up 22.50 and the prez has already said he'll open up the reserves if necessary.
It's going to be an interesting week.

Posted by: Frosty at September 15, 2019 08:23 PM (UX5QD)

I get a good laugh at the tv and radio ads that say, "Some experts expect silver to double in price by the end of the year!" And they run those ads year-round, probably even on New Year's Eve.

I used those ads earlier this year to pull a joke on my financial advisor. He was explaining a new IRA investment option he was recommending, when I interrupted him and I asked why he didn't have some of my IRA in silver. I said I'd heard a radio ad yesterday about silver doubling in value by December. He started frowning more and more as I rambled on, and then I said "Gotcha!" He laughed and said I had gotten him. Best practical joke I've pulled-off in years.

Posted by: Gref at September 15, 2019 09:05 PM (AMIL/)

225
Posted by: Diogenes at September 15, 2019 08:39 PM (axyOa)

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is she married?

asking for a friend

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx Tech at September 15, 2019 09:01 PM (E8gJJ)

And does she live in RI/CT area?
Asking for a son.

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 09:05 PM (PmjOn)

226
Life's the same I'm moving in stereo
Life's the same except for my shoes

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 09:06 PM (Tnijr)

227 Posted by: BifBewalski at September 15, 2019 09:03 PM (VcFUs)

Thanks. That makes sense. (It looks... non-elegant, yet unobtrusive.)

Posted by: GWB at September 15, 2019 09:06 PM (mRtYs)

228 admittedly that chart is 3-4 years old, as is being noted in the comments, so Syria and Venezuela haven't yet put their oars in. I'm sure they've beat out Ireland by now.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 15, 2019 09:07 PM (ykYG2)

229 223 I participate on a few firearm-related forums. When I answer questions or make comments, I make sure to say that this is how something worked for me; it's not a law of the universe. I want to offer guidance, not establish a science. Except about safety. I'm a cast iron SOB when it comes to safe gun handling.
Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 09:05 PM (bmdz3)
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Oh, I like them too but it really burns my biscuits when I tell a team shooter I want them to do X and they come back having done Y and Z because they read it on the internet,

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:08 PM (mkzGS)

230 I suspect that Trump is going to authorize a massive hit on something in Iran. Maybe a MOAB like that time in Syria. Something yuge designed to get them to the table.

There will be no nation building. That's not how he rolls.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 09:08 PM (o1fzk)

231 You can bet the Israelis and Saudis are burning up back-channel phone lines....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 09:10 PM (o1fzk)

232 230
I suspect that Trump is going to authorize a massive hit on something in
Iran. Maybe a MOAB like that time in Syria. Something yuge designed to
get them to the table.

There will be no nation building. That's not how he rolls.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 09:08 PM (o1fzk)

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I don't think so.

He'll let the Arabs take the lead. We'll draw them maps, though.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 15, 2019 09:10 PM (cfSRQ)

233 #212 I realized my error after noticing your "magazine" reference but thought I'd let it stand just based on the name. ;^)

Thanks for the full story though. That's interesting.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 09:11 PM (Dh1wo)

234 Ric Ocasek of the Cars found dead in his NYC flat by ex-wife Paulina Porizkova.

RIP
See the sidebar.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Drive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6XPDeNV6hI

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 15, 2019 09:11 PM (Sh6Rm)

235 Bedtime, more or less, at Chateau D'Eez.

Thanks again for the thread (as always, whether I say it or not)
Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 15, 2019 09:11 PM (8fHBx)

236 Did anyone see the Bidet Corn Pop thing? He told a story that was laughably implausible.

Corn Pop was real, someone found his obit on a Delaware site and it even called him Corn Pop.

Doesn't mean the rest of Biden's story is true though.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 15, 2019 09:12 PM (6XLoz)

237 I seem to recall reading that a pizza place close to the Pentagon could tell when something was up by the increase in late nite orders they received,

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:12 PM (mkzGS)

238 Trump blah blah blah Iran...

https://taskandpurpose.com/kinetic-bombardment-kep-weaponry

Posted by: Hawkpilot at September 15, 2019 09:12 PM (O6yUy)

239 Corn Pop's obit:

https://tinyurl.com/y5hpjvdn

Posted by: Ian S. at September 15, 2019 09:13 PM (6XLoz)

240 235 Bedtime, more or less, at Chateau D'Eez.

Thanks again for the thread (as always, whether I say it or not)
Weasel !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 15, 2019 09:11 PM (8fHBx)
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Thanks and you're welcome!! 'night!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:13 PM (mkzGS)

241 Oh, I like them too but it really burns my biscuits when I tell a team shooter I want them to do X and they come back having done Y and Z because they read it on the internet,

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:08 PM (mkzGS)

It seems every day there's a good battle occurring in some interwebz gun forum about the proper historical finish, or the best re-finish finish, for Garand and M1 Carbine stocks: Raw linseed oil vs. boiled linseed oil vs. tung oil.

Posted by: Gref at September 15, 2019 09:13 PM (AMIL/)

242 I've been a serious shooter since age 13, when fate and friendship arranged so that I could shoot with the San Diego County Marshall's Department (since absorbed by the S.D. Sheriff's Department), on a regular basis.

I've received a huge amount of highly competent instruction, Military and Civilian, as I've been blessed to have been taught by qualified professionals, vs. Bubba the Blowhard.

They're all masters of The Basics, and will always "go there" to bring an errant shooter back to Square One if need be.

Now, if in professional sports, Spring Training is a thing, and guess what? First week or so is ALWAYS a "back to Square One" drill, just to re-establish the basics, muscle memories and skills.

If it's good enough for the Pros... why don't we also take a range session or three per year, and PRACTICE the basics, the very fundamentals, from Square One?

I'll tell why, and it's been mentioned in tangential form by several, above. But here it is, in the distilled essence.

BECAUSE WE SUCK AT SELF COACHING.

Most of us do, myself included.

I'm at a point in my life, that with a pistol, I very seldom need a "Come to Jesus" moment in my habits and drills.

But I'd likely embarrass myself at an Appleseed rifle weekend, right now. UNLESS I spent a day at the range before hand, doing the basics and DRILLING HARD at those disciplines.

Treat yourself to a Qualified Instructor / Coach, once every year or so. Even if you're doing things 100% right, it's good to hear that from a Pro.

Oh, and avoid too much coffee before shooting hours. *shakes* And do eat a healthy serving of Humble Pie, with your one cuppa morning joe.

And finally, ENJOY! Time at the range IS better than time at work!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 15, 2019 09:14 PM (QzJWU)

243 I agree with JTB, but from the stock details, it is more of a KY or PA flintlock type of stock. It is not the shape of a percussion era stock which tended to be straighter and sturdier, since they had more kick.

I would like a better view of the lock plate to look for the pattern of holes showing the original frizzen and pan were removed, and a close look at the cock since those tend to change according to style. That one has the extra lug on the nose which I think is diagnostic of something, but I can't remember, but the cock itself is pure American.

I wonder if the lettering is for Baltimore, which had a large gunsmithing industry.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 15, 2019 09:16 PM (xG/b0)

244 So is this guy the lead singer for most of their stuff?

Because the only Cars song I really like is "Drive" because it doesn't sound like the rest of their music.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 15, 2019 09:16 PM (cfSRQ)

245 197 ... "I like the Hornady manuals. Very hard to get into trouble using them. As a matter of fact, I think Hornady sells a load specifically for the Garand"

Since my reloading is with cast bullets almost all the time, I never bothered with the Hornady manuals. But I use jacketed for some twenty caliber pieces and I always seem to end up with Hornady bullets. Thus that manual.

Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 09:17 PM (bmdz3)

246 Im watching the PBS special on country music and so far is really good; it starts with hllbilly music in the 20s- the Carter Family and all who followed.

Posted by: LASue at September 15, 2019 09:18 PM (Ed8Zd)

247 Are we sure it's not "Sears-Kenmore"??

Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 09:18 PM (Dh1wo)

248 I know a guy, he took a desk job over detective.
He had survived several vicious shoot outs, in a really bad crime area. Not gonna say where.
I asked him why, he said "I'm getting too damn slow".
He was 35 at the time.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 15, 2019 09:18 PM (w7KSn)

249 and a close look at the cock since those tend to change
according to style.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 15, 2019 09:16 PM (xG/b0)

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Do they ever!

Posted by: Corey Booker at September 15, 2019 09:18 PM (cfSRQ)

250

Sugar Pops Pete to the rescue

https://youtu.be/QEC120RnzY0

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 15, 2019 09:19 PM (aKsyK)

251 Sears Kenmore es mort.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 15, 2019 09:20 PM (ZYB2s)

252 Well, ima gonna rub some dirt on my Motrin, slap hot iron on my Pinot Grigio and shuffle off. But at least my deer stand is accessible and I can sit there and pretend I'm hunting.
Night all. You da man, Weasel.

Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 09:21 PM (PmjOn)

253 The rife is a Corn Pop AR-17 made by the Kelloggs Armaments Corp of Upper Sugar Smacks, Maryland in 1793. This company was owned by Iccabod Biden.

Posted by: Archer at September 15, 2019 09:21 PM (0E35O)

254 Sears Kenmore est mort.
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The rifle is from like a hundred years ago! Duh!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 09:21 PM (Dh1wo)

255 That old gun has nice wood.

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 15, 2019 09:21 PM (Sh6Rm)

256 Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 09:21 PM (PmjOn)
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'Night, bro.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:23 PM (mkzGS)

257 "That one has the extra lug on the nose which I think is diagnostic of something, but I can't remember,"

I noticed that little nub and wondered why it was there. It is filed flat on top. The cock looks like it was cast. Maybe that's from the casting?

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 09:23 PM (Tnijr)

258 255 That old gun has nice wood.
Posted by: Billy Cole at September 15, 2019 09:21 PM (Sh6Rm)
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That was the first thing I noticed.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:24 PM (mkzGS)

259 The bass player sang on a lot of Cars songs not Ocasek.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 09:25 PM (Tnijr)

260 I couldn't fuckin believe it--all the newscasts led off with the Kavanaugh bullshit non-story and you could tell, even with all the hyperventilating . that there IS NOTHING THERE.

God I hate the media.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 15, 2019 09:26 PM (o1fzk)

261 That old gun has nice wood.

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 15, 2019 09:21 PM (Sh6Rm)

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That was the first thing I noticed.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:24 PM (mkzGS)

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I agree, and you know, I'm something of an expert on "wood."

Posted by: Corey Booker at September 15, 2019 09:26 PM (cfSRQ)

262

An interesting video on suppressors:

Suppressor in Slow Motion - Smarter Every Day 204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAR4yTYslkk

The slow motion video shows gas exiting the muzzle prior to the projectile, settling a question from some threads ago.

The amount of time the silencer can empties is also interesting; 15ms or so. It would be nice if they had indicated the amount of suppression, but still, this information is useful.

Posted by: Arbalest at September 15, 2019 09:26 PM (FlRtG)

263 The lock plate is pinned or riveted on. I'm not sure how you would get it off without removing the heads.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 09:27 PM (Tnijr)

264 Weasel, first thing I noticed about that gun is it's too tall for a FatBoy safe. Good thread by the way. Up at 0400 and etc.

Posted by: Eromero at September 15, 2019 09:28 PM (UUkQp)

265 Range Report:

The elk rifles received a bit of fine tuning this afternoon (CO first rifle season starts in about three weeks.). Light rifles are great...until you shoot one chambered in 300 WSM from the bench.

Posted by: PacosMojo at September 15, 2019 09:28 PM (pV4s0)

266 OT: Dammit. Saw in the sidebar that Ric Ocasek died. Eddie Money died a few days ago. RIP

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 15, 2019 09:29 PM (HCqAo)

267 Posted by: Eromero at September 15, 2019 09:28 PM (UUkQp)
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Buy a taller safe!
Thanks amigo. Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:29 PM (mkzGS)

268 Ric Ocasek of the Cars found dead in his NYC flat by ex-wife Paulina Porizkova.
RIP

J.J. Sefton

Says he died age 70 but I think he was actually a bit older - and by natural causes? Not likely.

But he did out live Corn Pop - or was that Cheez Whiz? Who knows?

Posted by: Boswell at September 15, 2019 09:30 PM (32YRo)

269 Old wood = patina!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 09:31 PM (Dh1wo)

270 OT, but does anyone have the prayer list contact info?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 15, 2019 09:32 PM (BiNEL)

271 Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:29 PM (mkzGS)

For some reason, I have trouble believing that Eromero doesn't already have a walk-in safe!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 15, 2019 09:34 PM (BiNEL)

272

Which rocker dies next week?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 15, 2019 09:34 PM (aKsyK)

273 It seems every day there's a good battle occurring in some interwebz gun forum about the proper historical finish, or the best re-finish finish, for Garand and M1 Carbine stocks: Raw linseed oil vs. boiled linseed oil vs. tung oil.
Posted by: Gref at September 15, 2019 09:13 PM

Duh. Everyone knows a good polyurethane is best for weather resistance, which global warming is causing more need for.

Posted by: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex at September 15, 2019 09:35 PM (DMUuz)

274 Corn Pop is dead but Rice Krispies lives? How is that fair? I ask you.

Posted by: Boswell at September 15, 2019 09:35 PM (32YRo)

275 Old wood = patina!
Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2019 09:31 PM

This.

Posted by: Bob Dole at September 15, 2019 09:36 PM (DMUuz)

276 259 yeah his name was Ben

Posted by: kallisto at September 15, 2019 09:37 PM (QvAgz)

277 RIP Ric Ocasek from The Cars. Pre-deceased by main lead singer and bassist Benjamin Orr in 2000. The Cars lost to a Taste of Honey (Boogie Oogie Oggie) for Best New Group in their debut year '78 (I think) at the American Music Awards which was when I coined the term, 'fuk this shit' about award shows and one big reason why the other term-- 'disco sucks' --gained such traction. Jesus, I'm getting old, which is actually a good thing, relatively speaking.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 15, 2019 09:38 PM (/Fmtj)

278 Greetings:

"Spray and Pray" training:

Spray arc is inversely proportional to distance to target.

"Our Fathers for guys" "Hail Marys" for gals.

Posted by: 11B40 at September 15, 2019 09:39 PM (evgyj)

279 >>OT but does anyone have the prayer list contact info?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 15, 2019

From Wednesday's Morning Rant:

"Annie's Stew"at apaslo atsign hotmail dot com

Posted by: My life is insanity at September 15, 2019 09:42 PM (ima6L)

280 OK guys and gals - before the ONT comes along -thanks for stopping by and spending what remains of your weekend here. I appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:45 PM (mkzGS)

281 "Shake it up"

https://youtu.be/K3SA5Z-cbC8

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 15, 2019 09:46 PM (3KT61)

282 hiya

Posted by: ALH at September 15, 2019 09:47 PM (NqiHX)

283 Murphy's Romance is on the tube, it's been fun.
'nite

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 15, 2019 09:47 PM (Sh6Rm)

284 Thanks weasel I'll send a email tomorrow about the rifle.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 09:49 PM (Tnijr)

285 Benjamin Orr, second lead singer for the Cars died in 2000 of pancreatic cancer, he was 53. He sang Drive and other hits as well.

Posted by: yacht rocker at September 15, 2019 09:49 PM (B+t5k)

286 Thanks for another great post Weasel. Read most of the comments but no, I haven't been to the range lately as I have some issues that make it medically imprudent to shoot right now. Did win an auction for a complete lock on a Springfield Trapdoor that I am restoring so yay.

Posted by: whig at September 15, 2019 09:51 PM (hqUZK)

287 263 ... "The lock plate is pinned or riveted on. I'm not sure how you would get it off without removing the heads."

freaked, The lock plate should be screwed on. The brass shield opposite the lock holds what looks like a screw that should go into threads in the lock plate. A simple pin, like those that hold the barrel to the stock, wouldn't reliably keep the lock in place. Unless there is a pressing need to remove the lock, just leave it. That screw helps to stabilize the wood in that area.

If it's just a display piece, probably the safest option, simply wipe it down to get dust and the worst of the grime off. I use Renaissance Wax on my muzzleloaders, metal and wood, to protect them.

Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 09:52 PM (bmdz3)

288 she married?

asking for a friend

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx Tech at September 15, 2019 09:01 PM (E8gJJ)

And does she live in RI/CT area?
Asking for a son.
Posted by: RI Red at September 15, 2019 09:05 PM (PmjOn)

****

Yes. Very married.
Artilleryman.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 15, 2019 09:52 PM (axyOa)

289 Then there was the time I took Frosted Flake behind the woodshed and, well, we emerged really-really-really good friends. To this day he still sends flowers on my birthday. If I'm lyin' I'm Biden!

Corn Pop is yellow
Frosted Flake is blue
If you don't give up your guns
We're coming after you

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 15, 2019 09:53 PM (5itaF)

290 I will always think of Ric Ocasek as a punk rocker - damn he was 75 years old.

Reminds of that article a couple days ago, all of the musicians we've listened for most of our lives are going to die over the next 10 years. Time's running out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 15, 2019 09:53 PM (V2Yro)

291 Thanks, Weasel. For the thread and for the book recommendation.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 15, 2019 09:54 PM (qc+VF)

292 284 Thanks weasel I'll send a email tomorrow about the rifle.
Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 09:49 PM (Tnijr)
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You bet.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:54 PM (mkzGS)

293 Weasel, Before the ONT comes along, here's another thank you for the gun thread. Besides the philosophy in the post, it was fun trying to puzzle out freaked's old rifle. Both aspects forced me to think.

Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 09:55 PM (bmdz3)

294 286 Thanks for another great post Weasel. Read most of the comments but no, I haven't been to the range lately as I have some issues that make it medically imprudent to shoot right now. Did win an auction for a complete lock on a Springfield Trapdoor that I am restoring so yay.
Posted by: whig at September 15, 2019 09:51 PM (hqUZK)
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You're welcome, whig! And congratulations on the Trapdoor!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:56 PM (mkzGS)

295 291 Thanks, Weasel. For the thread and for the book recommendation.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 15, 2019 09:54 PM (qc+VF)
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Absolutely my pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:56 PM (mkzGS)

296 Howdy all!

Been busy this weekend!
Thank
You for all your work, weasel
*smooch!*

And if Insom is around, he gets a POUNCE!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 15, 2019 09:56 PM (PkVlr)

297 293 Weasel, Before the ONT comes along, here's another thank you for the gun thread. Besides the philosophy in the post, it was fun trying to puzzle out freaked's old rifle. Both aspects forced me to think.
Posted by: JTB at September 15, 2019 09:55 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks JTB. I really figured you would be able to help freaked!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:57 PM (mkzGS)

298 "Unless there is a pressing need to remove the lock"

Only curiosity to see what's in there. That usually leads to trouble.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 09:58 PM (Tnijr)

299 I have always considered The Cars eponymous first album to be one of the best Albums ever produced, by any band. Not only is every song quite good, but they all roll into each other, one after the other, and the 2nd side of that album plays like one extended piece of music with 4 main themes, rather than 4 separate songs. It was masterfully done, one of the albums that makes me lament the death of Album Rock today.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 15, 2019 09:58 PM (V2Yro)

300 Just because you suck today doesn't mean you have to suck forever, and improving mostly involves starting with good fundamentals rather than spending a fortune on gear.
This could also be changed into a golf blog article. A lot of people believe they can buy a game and/or become great just by practicing more. Of course anyone can improve if they work hard and train correctly But you are right to mention sucking. This is not to discourage anyone, but to give people a dose or reality.

There are some activities that most people think can be mastered by technology or effort. Golf has to be at the top of that list. Rare is the serious golfer who doesn't believe in the back of his mind that he could be great if he only had the time, money, instruction, and equipment. However, few delude themselves to believe they could become an elite point guard if they just worked harder and had some instruction.

I think it is pretty clear why some would think they could become great at activities/sports that are not so obvious about the need for talent. Lots of out of shape guys can go to the shooting range or golf range. Few are going to run a marathon.

To be clear, I am not saying people can not improve. In fact I am saying the opposite. People can improve as the diarist is saying. But for whatever reason, expectations of great improvement or mastery are inflated in sports such as shooting, golf, and other activities that seem within reach to the regular Joe. But in reality, talent will always separate the elite from the regular guy. The chances of becoming a world class bowler or dartist are not any better than becoming a world class hockey goalie.

But anyone can improve if they go about things the right way.

Posted by: Quint at September 15, 2019 09:58 PM (n13/j)

301 Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 15, 2019 09:56 PM (PkVlr)
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Howdy Nurse!
*peck*

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 09:58 PM (mkzGS)

302 Posted by: My life is insanity at September 15, 2019 09:42 PM (ima6L)

I owe you, my friend, thanks!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 15, 2019 10:01 PM (BiNEL)

303 ONT is up. Goodnight everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2019 10:04 PM (mkzGS)

304 I went on a boy scout range yesterday with my son and about 10 other scouts and I had a chance to shoot down range and did better than my norm. After look and reading the post I thought about what I was doing yesterday that made me a better shot.

We all had one bullet at the target at 25 feet to make sure of the sighting. 5 shots at 25 feet for precision and then 5 groups of 5 at 50 feet.

My best group of 5 was the 2nd and third grouping putting 4 shots in a quarter sized area and then 3 shots in the quarter area. ( the rest were well placed but this was my best.). I think the thing that helped me the most was the fact the instructor made us take our time between shots. I was much more patient than usual.

Posted by: Picric at September 15, 2019 10:07 PM (nonGu)

305 If it is a converted flint, there should be holes for the frizzen spring under what is now the bolster area. I don't see any, open or filled. The bottom word was "warranted" I think. Also, the frizzen spring would have covered the area where the engraving is.

I would guess that this was always a percussion - It might be a late flint with the stock cut back, but I think that the most likely answer is that it dates to around 1840-50 period.

Get some better pictures of it and take it to the guys at American Longrifles, under Antique Gun Collecting. Best place on the 'net for old American muzzleloaders.

Posted by: Grey Fox at September 15, 2019 10:07 PM (iTtBf)

306 Daughter of Diogenes #1 was an Airborne qualified
Army Nurse and fired Expert. Every time their quals came up she
insisted on calling her M-16 the "bulletey shootey thingie" just to
annoy her boss.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 15, 2019 08:39 PM (axyOa)

I am still laughing!!!!

Posted by: Grannymimi at September 15, 2019 10:12 PM (u5LFV)

307 Thanks Grey Fox that's good info.

Posted by: freaked at September 15, 2019 10:31 PM (Tnijr)

308 I would think that recovering a serial number without acid etching could be done with Magnaflux methods or x-ray methods.

Posted by: Alaska Paul at September 15, 2019 11:14 PM (RE/zk)

309 I seem to recall reading that a pizza place close to the Pentagon could tell when something was up by the increase in late nite orders they received,
Posted by: Weasel

I believe that side channel leak has been closed.

Posted by: Jean at September 15, 2019 11:19 PM (cAnuB)

310 Took the tiny .380 on the bear hunt. Only saw a grouse. Took 3 try's at 15 yards. No real sights and short sight radius oh well.
Also had long gun in case intended bear did get found.

Posted by: Igotnothing at September 16, 2019 08:54 AM (xf2hT)

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