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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
President Trump has said the U.S. is “locked and loaded” and able to respond to the threat but also said he wants to avoid war. Iran has denied any involvement in the attack. Ahead of UN meeting, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said "there will be no talks with the US at any level," the Associated Press reported.Let the Saudis bleed for a change.We should treat them as allies who are involved in a regional war, but we should not treat an attack on Saudi oil facilities as the casus belli for an American move against Iran. Sure, pump up the Saudis and their neighbors to do the heavy lifting (if they are even capable)...that is fine, and we can make clear that we stand behind them...but not in front. Oil futures are already coming down sharply, so the hysterical media reports about oil spikes are mostly bullshit. And I will happily pay more at the pump to keep American troops out of harm's way. Besides, I have heard rumors of a newfangled American technology called "fracking."
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 17, 2019 11:01 AM (DjIxe)
Posted by: Boxx Culvert, Man about town at September 17, 2019 11:02 AM (wmfhQ)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2019 11:02 AM (ejd/p)
Posted by: The Establishment at September 17, 2019 11:02 AM (P1f+c)
Posted by: FrodoB, learning to reload and pposting at September 17, 2019 11:02 AM (11Tx7)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:02 AM (2LelM)
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 17, 2019 11:02 AM (myjNJ)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:02 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: olddog in mo at September 17, 2019 11:03 AM (ViCCR)
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Just wait until the Venezuelans get the Venezuelan oil industry back to actually producing. Sure, it's gonna take some time, but it'll happen eventually.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 17, 2019 11:03 AM (DjIxe)
Posted by: Obama, but he totes loved America guys at September 17, 2019 11:03 AM (k76MH)
Hammer meet nail, head-on.
Posted by: DocJ at September 17, 2019 11:03 AM (77WPm)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:03 AM (2LelM)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:03 AM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (BmAAY)
Posted by: henry at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (JMDly)
Posted by: Cokie Roberts, Scrunt at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (Ctim6)
Posted by: FrodoB, learning to reload and pposting at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (11Tx7)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (KZzsI)
That is why enemies foreign and domestic are trying to cause it.
Trump knows this.
Posted by: davidt at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (m3tRO)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Saber Alter at September 17, 2019 11:05 AM (D9E0b)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:05 AM (2LelM)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:05 AM (tH5fk)
Posted by: Ian S.
Nope. We do it, they get the unifying "Great Satan" and hold onto power. It's gotta get done by someone other than us (and preferably other than Israel).
Let the Saudis do their own dirty work this time.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Make Anatolia Greek Again
at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (AM1GF)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (flINI)
Wait until you hear about this place called "Texas"
Could have some impact on oil and gas...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: DocJ at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (77WPm)
Posted by: Jean at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (cAnuB)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (ZGrMX)
That's an interesting idea. Since our CIA sucks and is frequently compromised, maybe ask Mossad to do it?
Posted by: Someguy at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (Wj9tV)
Cookie Rohas is mort?
Anyone remember that baseball player?
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM
raises hand
Posted by: AltonJackson
link in nick for the MiMoMe
at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (ceIDk)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (2LelM)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (KZzsI)
Does that count for the celebrity death trifecta? Otherwise I couldn't care less.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (NWiLs)
Anyone remember that baseball player?
Posted by: Soothsayer
Pitched no hitter on acid.
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (tH5fk)
Wait until you hear about this place called "Texas"
Could have some impact on oil and gas...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (6qErC)
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"Texas can no longer take any energy out of the ground."
-Hawaiian judge
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (DjIxe)
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (BqBId)
Everybody everywhere in the world knows that US boots on the ground anywhere would be political suicide for anyone doing it.
That is why enemies foreign and domestic are trying to cause it.
Trump knows this.
Posted by: davidt at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (m3tRO)
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This is true, but I don't really care about the political costs of it, at the end of the day.
What I care about is that the Democrats have a decades-long track record of defeating America in every foreign war. We can't beat them, and sending kids to die in a pointless fight is not on my to-do-list.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (AzW6q)
You will, and should see Iran and their proxies take some hits, with our support. We know where the ordnance was launched from and how it was accomplished. Right now the Saudis are putting their C-RAM systems in place and, if I were a betting man, I say the Iranians get some type of payback in the next 72 hours. I have some friends in that AO who already have their GO bags packed.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (VpIIl)
Bwahahaha! You ever see a Saudi actually fight? If I were Persian, I would not be losing much sleep.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (80rst)
As for the Persians, let Saudis do the wet work. What we maybe should do is turn the screws a bit and put pressure on our allies who are still doing business with Iran.
Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (jp0Bv)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (BmAAY)
Iran is playing a game here, but note that rather than giving up, they keep escalating. They tried mining tankers, we didn't respond much. They tried shooting down the naval drone, we didn't bite. Now they've tried a direct attack on Saudi facilities, and they were sure we would jump on that. (Bolton absolutely would have) and yet
we're still not biting.
Don't think this game is over - far from it. They're going to wait a month or so, and then they're going to do something even bigger, would be my guess. They want something from us, some kind of response, and they're not going to quit trying to get it, they'll keep escalating.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:08 AM (Kpl3J)
Let the Euroweenies go sort it out. They're the ones that will run out of gas if those mullahs manage to close the Persian Gulf.
Posted by: Roland THTG at September 17, 2019 11:08 AM (88+cf)
-Hawaiian judge
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (DjIxe)
Hawaii is no longer a state and their judges are noncitizens.
Posted by: Random Alaska Judge #11 at September 17, 2019 11:08 AM (k76MH)
Not really. It mostly produces other components. I'm pretty sure they import most of their gasoline...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:08 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 17, 2019 11:08 AM (5ztcy)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2019 11:08 AM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Ruth Bader Ginsburg at September 17, 2019 11:08 AM (aKsyK)
They poisoned one of ours when we were there. I may be holding a grudge.
Posted by: Moki at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (mFoNl)
By the way, that argument completely ignores the fact we are already fighting the Iranians and their proxies in Syria, Iraq and Yemen.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Ian S.
Nope. We do it, they get the unifying "Great Satan" and hold onto power. It's gotta get done by someone other than us (and preferably other than Israel).
Let the Saudis do their own dirty work this time.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Make Anatolia Greek Again
Drone launched from Baluchistan, let the Iranians unravel that.
Posted by: Jean at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (cAnuB)
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There aren't that many Persians in Iran.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (2LelM)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (Dh1wo)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (tH5fk)
If SA wants to buy supplies or materials from the US, great. But no more of our young men & women going over there to defend their two faced butts. Learn to do it yourself.
Posted by: Boots at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (oGBso)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (KZzsI)
They are going to keep doing these things because they can without consequences.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (cGqiy)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (6qErC)
Tex-Ass?
Tex-Iss?
Tey-Ass?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (wYseH)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (JUOKG)
We bailed you out by doing all the dirty work in 1990-1992. Time for you to clean-up your own neighborhood.
Hugs,
Donnie TwoScoops
Posted by: DocJ at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (77WPm)
Cokie Robert's father was a Congress Critter that loudly and publicly disagreed with the Warren Commision re: JFK's assasination.
He died in a mysterious plane crash.
The aide that loaded his bags and got him on the plane?
Bill Clinton.
Posted by: Dynamic Bob at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (UFLLM)
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad
Which goat fuckers spec ops trained by jumping thru flaming hoops? Iraq? Iran? Thinking Iraq before we went in on GWII.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (dkrmM)
The wymyn leader of the group complained that when they were arrested, two of their little gang, who happened to be black and tran, were "mistreated" by the po-po.
I love the pic of her lil' helmet and glasses. I'm sure the helmet is green, as are the frames of her glasses.
Idiots.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (hdzef)
-Hawaiian judge"
"How 'bout a nice Hawaiian Punch?"
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (6qErC)
Anyone remember that baseball player?
Posted by: Soothsayer
Pitched no hitter on acid.
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (tH5fk)
So, if I drop acid, I might have a chance at being good at something?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: josephistan at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (7HtZB)
Posted by: REDACTED at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (AQBtr)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (tH5fk)
Wasn't that Doc Ellis?
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Marcus T
And Astan - around mazar-s; then theres Hamas/Hezbo in Lebanon, Gaza, and Egypt; and the Tehran/Caracas/carib muzzies link
Posted by: Jean at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (cAnuB)
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM (jm1YL)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM (AzW6q)
Iran's critical infrastructure.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (JUOKG)
No. Make the Saudis spend some of their money and get the blame. Why should America be the lightning rod...again?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM (wYseH)
Posted by: BignJames at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM (X/Pw5)
Posted by: josephistan at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (7HtZB)
they got drones serving wings ?
Posted by: REDACTED at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM (AQBtr)
-Hawaiian judge"
"How 'bout a nice Hawaiian Punch?"
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How about Texas drilliing a couple of deep holes on Oahu and let the judges adjudicate the undocumented volcanos that appear?
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (2LelM)
Something I hope Trump ends soon. We have troops on the ground in the following countries:
Afghanistan, Bahrain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, U.A.E., Uzbekistan, Yemen, Syrian, Jordan, South Sudan, Kosovo, Libya, Yemen, the Congo, Uganda, Mali, Niger, Iran, Georgia, Ukraine, Bolivia, Paraguay, Ecuador, Peru, Yemen, Pakistan (including in Baluchistan). Philippines, Columbia, and Mexico
Enough already. End this crap. Bush sent troops into too many places, and Obama went nuts doing even more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (KZzsI)
We'll never get Lizzie Warren elected if you don't start a war and grab some mishes. . .
Posted by: Deep State haz a sad at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (C6xeQ)
Ambassador Stevens ambassadorship papers must have gotten lost in the mail or something. Those traitors to America care nothing for nobody but themselves.
Posted by: Boots at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (oGBso)
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Make Anatolia Greek Again
at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (AM1GF)
Just give the current Saudi Crown Prince a button to push, that launches a flight of cruise missiles at the Iranian refinery. Along with an invoice, of course.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (jEgzt)
The aide that loaded his bags and got him on the plane?"
Wasn't that in Alaska?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (tH5fk)
Posted by: henry at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (JMDly)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (p0A33)
Posted by: Moki at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (mFoNl)
Awful. So sorry.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (ptqGC)
Iran's critical infrastructure.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (JUOKG)
No. Make the Saudis spend some of their money and get the blame. Why should America be the lightning rod...again?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM (wYseH)
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"Because it's what George Washington outlined in his farewell address! 'It is our true policy to
-Bill Kristol, patriot
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (DjIxe)
Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (T9rmq)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (NVYyb)
Posted by: Jean at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (cAnuB)"
Exactly.
And they are responsible for taking action against us and the deaths of our soldiers and Marines. Yet the only action we've taken is against the proxies, not their support systems.
By the way, I remember the rat lines coming from Iran and into Iraq loaded with supplies and support for the assholes who were fighting our men.
But yeah, this is the Saudi's problem or something...Right.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (VpIIl)
NO ONE is taking about boots on the ground in Iran. NOT NOW, NOT BEFORE, NOT NEVER
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (p0A33)
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Thus far, and I thank Trump for ignoring those who advise it, and I pray to G-d he continues to do so.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (bWbUk)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:09 AM (VpIIl)
Predominantly advisors and logistical help. And those are classic low-intensity conflicts, which have been going on for centuries. I am referring to strikes against Iran, and I think it is pretty obvious.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (wYseH)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (KZzsI)
Remember when people like Hollowhead used to pretend that GWB was conservative and a really really good President.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (FiUMj)
And my personal FNM filter went "wow, RBG must be getting really close to the grave" when I heard the renewed Kavanaugh smears.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (n4y+3)
Posted by: RonCo Pocket Theologian at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (cIj06)
Posted by: josephistan at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM
Only if they recombine their powers with the Blowfish.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (ejd/p)
So Iran is willing to take the hit to enable domestic enemies to proceed.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (u82oZ)
Posted by: DocJ at September 17, 2019 11:06 AM (77WPm)
This, basically. The Mad Mullahs are wildly unpopular (sending buckets of rial to foreign terrorists while their own people starve doesn't exactly win popularity contests) and are hanging onto their power by their fingernails. Throw some decent support behind, say, the Green Movement, and watch it all come tumbling down. (Which is of course why certain useless former presidents cut the funding for Iranian protest groups. He's enamoured of Middle East Islamofascist dictatorships because something something muh colonialism classes back in college)
Posted by: Saber Alter at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (D9E0b)
Posted by: Folgers at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM (5NMZN)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM (wYseH)"
Well Trump said we're "locked and loaded". So there's that...
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (80rst)
Posted by: BignJames at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM
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I remember back in the 80s during that oil "crisis" Iran was dragging F-14's to the beach and propping them up on jack stands in an attempt to shoot down our fighter patrols. That was a hoot.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (JUOKG)
A few too many "stans" in that list...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (KZzsI)
Hitting Revolutionary Guard bases and missile bases, not to mention their nuke processing facilities, now that directly hurts the Iranian government far more than it hurts the people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (Kpl3J)
Gas went up 4 cents here yesterday... yawn.
Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (T9rmq)
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Orange Man Bad! REEEEEEEEEEEEE!
--- liberals everywhere
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit
Because it would be a shitshow of epic proportions. Without doing an in-depth on the details, Iran would be a very tough nut to crack, both in terrain and capabilities. They have literally spent the last forty years preparing for this (aside from an extended war with Iraq). Iran would be a meat grinder.
And right now, I doubt we could handle that.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Make Anatolia Greek Again
at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (AM1GF)
The New York Times is at its lowest point in its long and storied history. Not only is it losing a lot of money, but it is a journalistic disaster, being laughed at even in the most liberal of enclaves. It has become a very sad joke all all over the World. Witch Hunt hurt them...
...."That story (Kavanaugh) is nowhere near the standard that should be met in publishing a story." @brithume @FoxNews
Posted by: Tami at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM (jm1YL)
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Not if I get elected you don't!!
Posted by: Every Democrat Candidate at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (FiUMj)
A few years ago it might have made a difference but not these days.
What I can't figure is why it's unclear exactly who and what did the attack.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 17, 2019 11:16 AM (cxIsI)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:16 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: Max Boot at September 17, 2019 11:16 AM (tVQUs)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (AzW6q)
Who is advising it? I have never heard anyone advising that?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:16 AM (p0A33)
they can sacrifice their own men and women to defend their way of life.
this is what energy independence looks like.
let the ragheads destroy each other. I don't give a fuck.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 17, 2019 11:16 AM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: Roy at September 17, 2019 11:16 AM (Ciifn)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (wYseH)"
lol. A lot of my 11b and 18 friends in country will be surprised to hear that.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:17 AM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM (jm1YL)
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Not if I get elected you don't!!
Posted by: Every Democrat Candidate at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (FiUMj)
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"We want oil prices to rise and help float Putin's government by destroying America's ability to extract its own energy from the ground! Also, we want to impeach Trump for helping Putin by driving oil prices down and hurting Putin's petro-state government! We're serious people!"
-Democrats
"These people got it going on."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 17, 2019 11:17 AM (DjIxe)
ROE designed to give the jihadis better odds. I'll believe Trump has
been sucked into that BS when I see it, I expect he's way more inclined
to just launch some missiles if he decides we have to take direct
action.
This. Damned near got our own kid killed.
Don't forget, W was all about "winning hearts and minds" b.s. and nation building.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:17 AM (ptqGC)
--- liberals everywhere"
Wait a sec... we spent 15 years hearing that higher gas prices was a morebettergoodthing.
Hmmmm.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:17 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 17, 2019 11:17 AM (jYnPD)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:17 AM (NWiLs)
Cokie Robert's father was a Congress Critter that loudly and publicly disagreed with the Warren Commision re: JFK's assasination.
He died in a mysterious plane crash.
The aide that loaded his bags and got him on the plane?
Bill Clinton.
Posted by: Dynamic Bob at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (UFLLM)
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Was that the same plane Nick Begich was one?
Posted by: Augustine at September 17, 2019 11:17 AM (BDZWU)
Posted by: Harlan at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (suaaH)
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (cxIsI)
Posted by: Jean at September 17, 2019 11:10 AM (cAnuB)
That one is disturbing as it's so close. Surinam being considered a muslim country and in the western hemisphere is disturbing too.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (uZNGV)
The New York Times is at its lowest point in its long and storied history. Not only is it losing a lot of money, but it is a journalistic disaster
Posted by: Tami at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (cF8AT)
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NYT sucks donkey balls. But Trump is wrong that it's losing money. Last 2 quarters it made $40M/quarter. Which isn't amazing, but it's also not losing money.
Posted by: Every Democrat Candidate at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (FiUMj)
The Giants have benched their franchise quarterback and will start rookie Daniel Jones Sunday in Tampa. So the clock starts on Jones as it expired on Manning.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (p0A33)
Posted by: JT at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (arJlL)
Mark Steyn on 'Boltin' --
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0919/steyn091619.php3
Try to remember the time in September . . . and follow, follow, follow . . .
Sorry Bolton didn't fit current (or past) Foggy Bottom goals and power struggles. As I said, RINOs hate him as badly as (D)s do.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (MIKMs)
Because it would be a shitshow of epic proportions. Without doing an in-depth on the details, Iran would be a very tough nut to crack, both in terrain and capabilities. They have literally spent the last forty years preparing for this (aside from an extended war with Iraq). Iran would be a meat grinder.
And right now, I doubt we could handle that.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Make Anatolia Greek Again
at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (AM1GF)
Iran has built its military around a defensive war against the United States. Air superiority would like not be easily achievable over Iran(the geographical area) and we're very used to having that.
Posted by: Someguy at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (Wj9tV)
Oh good lord no way. We've lost enough wonderful men and women in the Middle East. Now there is an area that needs a wall(excluding Israel). Put it up and let them slug it out. Don't bring our military into it.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (jm1YL)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (FiUMj)
Cokie Roberts has died.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (KZzsI)
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So sorry to hear that. A million years ago, when my kidswere still in middle school, I bought a lunch with her for my girls at a charity auction. She was gracious and wonderful to my daughters. Her sister was mayor of my town for some years, until she also died, which was the original connection. Louisiana politics in her day was solidly Dem, so I doubt we agreed much on politics, but the subject never arose in our brief interaction. Very nice woman.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (NVYyb)
I'd love to see the Saudis handle this on their own. I question their ability to do it.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 17, 2019 11:19 AM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:16 AM (p0A33)
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Don't know. Maybe nobody has. But I can't imagine that the war hawks within the GOP have suddenly changed their spots in the last few years.
Maybe it's the reason Bolton is gone.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:19 AM (AzW6q)
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48 million?Persians account for 61% of the population, followed by Kurds (10%), Lurs (6%), and Balochs (2%). Other ethnicities account for the remaining 21%, including the Azerbaijanis (16%), Arabs (2%), Turkmens and Turkic tribes (2%), as well as Armenians, Assyrians, and Georgians.
Persians are the majority, but they are not all that happy with things in Iran. This leadership is panicking. Wouldn't be surprised if the Russians are egging things on. Higher oil prices are good for Russia.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:19 AM (2LelM)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:19 AM (6qErC)
Anyone remember that baseball player?
Posted by: Soothsayer
Cookie Rojas !
Posted by: JT at September 17, 2019 11:19 AM (arJlL)
Posted by: Tami at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (cF8AT)
Even that lib woman guest on Fox this morning (Leslie something) said as a liberal Dem, she's embarrassed.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:19 AM (ptqGC)
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California imports oil. This would help them move to a more sustainable economy!
Posted by: Folgers at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (5NMZN)
Posted by: Corn Pop at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (rgc/1)
Dems, can you agree to go a day without complete overplaying your hand? Christ it must be exhausting to deliberately be a spastic.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (JQ18+)
I don't think that contradicts what he said.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (cGqiy)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (FiUMj)
The Iranians hate us, a little; they hate Jews, a lot, and they hate Arabs with every fiber of their being. Understand that and most of what Iran does starts to make sense.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (Kpl3J)
getting really close to the grave" when I heard the renewed Kavanaugh
smears.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at September 17, 2019 11:14 AM
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Now dem senator chris coons is saying he has information that he tried to give the FBI during the Kavanaugh hearings but they never followed up on it. According to him, "several" people had specific allegations about Kavanaugh but he never named any names and apparently never said anything before this week about it.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (JUOKG)
The Giants have benched their franchise quarterback and will start rookie Daniel Jones Sunday in Tampa. So the clock starts on Jones as it expired on Manning.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Dan'l Jones can throw a football clear over them mountains.
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (tH5fk)
Maybe it's the reason Bolton is gone.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:19 AM (AzW6q)
NO, no one, and certianly not Bolton, has advised boots on the ground.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (p0A33)
Posted by: Corn Pop at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (rgc/1)
Go soak your head in it, Esther!
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 17, 2019 11:21 AM (NWiLs)
The Giants have benched their franchise quarterback and will start rookie Daniel Jones Sunday in Tampa. So the clock starts on Jones as it expired on Manning.
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Given how lightly they've used Barkley tells me they are in competition for next years First Round Draft Pick. 0-16 is a real possibility for them.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:21 AM (2LelM)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:12 AM (KZzsI)
Obama used our troops as mercenaries for every American-hating tyrant who was willing to take them as cannon-fodder. Hillary would have made him look kind and circumspect.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 17, 2019 11:21 AM (uZNGV)
Posted by: The Permian Basin at September 17, 2019 11:21 AM (dpI5S)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:22 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 17, 2019 11:22 AM (Dh1wo)
Seconded. Persian women are teh super hawt.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:22 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: BignJames at September 17, 2019 11:11 AM
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I remember back in the 80s during that oil "crisis" Iran was dragging F-14's to the beach and propping them up on jack stands in an attempt to shoot down our fighter patrols. That was a hoot.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:15 AM (JUOKG)
About 10 years ago they added a second tail fin to their F-5s. In another 10 years, they may invent the YF-17.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Saeqeh
Posted by: josephistan at September 17, 2019 11:22 AM (7HtZB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (p0A33)
What's the over/under for total wins for NY football?
Jets + Giants....seven games?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:22 AM (wYseH)
Can you tell us just exactly what you guys do here?
Posted by: Bob Porter and Bob Slydell at September 17, 2019 11:22 AM (Ciifn)
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 17, 2019 11:22 AM (d7Ww2)
After the Cold War's sudden, painless end, I am quite content to wait and see what happens in most cases. We may never need to fight Iran, North Korea, or China. Prepare, yes. But we ought to be reluctant.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 17, 2019 11:22 AM (ppBhU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (p0A33)
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We're not suggesting boots on the ground. We're suggesting sending advisors, to uhm I dunno, advise. And then just to make sure, we'll give them all a rifle and a uniform and stuff. But seriously, they're just advisors.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (FiUMj)
Iran and Iraq got into a war which they fought to a standstill despite using even chemical warfare and mass suicide charges with their soldiers.
We destroyed Iraq's army in like a week and a half despite it being the fourth largest in the world and built around China and Russians' finest tech.
We'd steamroll their military, but the tough part would be keeping them under control.
And the Iranian people don't hate the US, just their psycho government.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (tH5fk)
Kilt him a bar, when he was only three.
Posted by: Roland THTG at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (88+cf)
One of my husbands hot tub buddies(the old guys love to soak away their aches and pains after working out) is a retired orthopedic surgeon who did a stint teaching med students in Saudi Arabia. He said as a group they're lazy and privileged. I wonderful if those characteristics translate to the military?
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (jm1YL)
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (BF9rg)
Jets + Giants....seven games?
At the rate the Jets are losing players they will be lucky to win a game this year.
I've never seen a team lose so many critical players so quickly.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (ZLI7S)
That's the NYT corporation statement - which no longer discloses the day to day finances of the paper itself.
That's a "tell"
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: Truck Monkey
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Yup. Where does Saudi oil go these days?
The EU and China/India.
China wants to be a world player, let them step up..
The EU? I have no hope of anyone in the EU growing a pair any time in the near or even distant future.
They will just bend over and ask politely ask for another humping.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (so+oy)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (tH5fk)
Kilt him a bar, when he was only three.
Posted by: Roland THTG at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (88+cf)
I thought he passed out in a bar when he was only three.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (JQ18+)
Posted by: Roy at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (Ciifn)
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You've obviously never watched Redskins football.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (2LelM)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (cGqiy)
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In other words, he's a fucking liar.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (vg8iE)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (JUOKG)
Chris Coons, the bearded Marxist which Fat Fuck Rove helped get elected after COD defeated his dogshit candidate, Mike Castle, in the primary. Remind me again why I'm supposed to give a flying fuck about the GOP.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (y7DUB)
That's gross but yeah they are making some money: their online presence is doing pretty well with a subscriber service. I mean, granted, most of those subscriptions are other newspapers, schools, and libraries, but still its making them some money.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 17, 2019 11:25 AM (flINI)
And right now, I doubt we could handle that.
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So 6 Moths from now it will be different? 2 years from now ??? 4 years from now ??
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 17, 2019 11:25 AM (BqBId)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (tH5fk)
Wasnt that doc ellis?
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs, still needs a new Nic! at September 17, 2019 11:25 AM (rBM1Q)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
I told you that he was a weasel. He would have been better off with the witch.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 17, 2019 11:25 AM (5ztcy)
That doesn't mean we should put boots on the ground though an invasion of the kingdom might change things. But we don't have a lot of rapid deployment forces that could get there fast.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at September 17, 2019 11:25 AM (l/C3p)
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (jm1YL)
They do. Every military schoolhouse has stories about Saudi exchange officers.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 17, 2019 11:25 AM (wCmLp)
information that he tried to give the FBI during the Kavanaugh hearings
but they never followed up on it. According to him, "several" people had
specific allegations about Kavanaugh but he never named any names and
apparently never said anything before this week about it.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (JUOKG)
He once gave a noogie to a male classmate, or something worse?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:25 AM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (FiUMj
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This is my worry, too. Some slowly escalating, politicized bullshit that turns into another decade or two of war that we lose, and inflicts terrible damage to the US on the home front.
It's gotten to be a pattern.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:25 AM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:20 AM (p0A33)
I am using "boots on the ground" as shorthand for anything that puts Americans in harm's way. I want the Saudis to bleed and spend their treasure. We have done enough.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:26 AM (wYseH)
Posted by: Folgers at September 17, 2019 11:26 AM (5NMZN)
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (jm1YL)
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It translates to everything. Saudis, Kuwaitis, UAE, Oman, etc imports thousands of engineers, doctors, IT people and so on. All the important stuff in those countries is done by Americans, Brits and Europeans.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:26 AM (FiUMj)
So, is he saying the FBI is lazy and incompetent?
I thought it was a direct attack on our "democracy" if the FBI was ever impugned or called out. I guess Chrissy didn't get the memo.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 17, 2019 11:26 AM (vg8iE)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 17, 2019 11:26 AM (cGqiy)
China. The EU gets most of theirs from Russkieland.
"The top export destinations of Saudi Arabia are China ($29.1B), Japan ($25B), India ($19.4B), South Korea ($17.7B) and the United States ($17.3B). "
OEC
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:26 AM (6qErC)
I love the argument we should just let the whole shitpile collapse and have them kill each other. Given the friends and neighbors I've lost, that sounds pretty sonorous but it's not realistic. Most of the guys we lose even knew that.
So it becomes a game of how far your support people and how you accomplish it. You can't fight everyone, everywhere but you pick your spots, use force multipliers understand your asymmetric options and execute your plans.
We are not simply going to pack up, sit in our bubble and hope bad things don't come our way as a results. The entire length of world history shows that ends in disaster.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (VpIIl)
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I forgot. I got really busy. I lost their number.
I couldn't remember how to have a press conference,
until this morning.
Posted by: Chris Coons at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (C6xeQ)
Blow up the refinery, blockade incoming gasoline, wait for white flag. If we had a competent intelligence service some of that could be done covertly.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (ZGrMX)
helped get elected after COD defeated his dogshit candidate, Mike
Castle, in the primary. Remind me again why I'm supposed to give a
flying fuck about the GOP.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (y7DUB)
Because of my late, sainted Daddy! I'm still grieving worse than you can imagine, in case I haven't reminded everyone lately!
Posted by: Meggie Mac at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Tuna
The arabs I met in my yute were exactly like this. The Dunning Krugerest people you'll ever meet.
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (tH5fk)
Um. We and Israel currently HAVE air superiority over Iran with all the stealth fighters.
They don't have the defense capability of seeing them well enough to do anything.
What they do have, like so much of the sandbox, is... SAND and empty spaces.
And not much of any worth. If you cannot extract treasure from a country and you have to garrison it to keep it under control for little or no gain, then you actually lost the war and will eventually destroy yourself.
Best to let them flop around in confusion and fear and let the Saudis lob a few Cruise missiles their way.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (cxIsI)
That's gross but yeah
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:24 AM (KZzsI)
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No, $40M is net profit per quarter for the past two quarters.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (FiUMj)
That made me laugh but that's one of the best descriptions of our wonderful president that I've read. I'm stealing it but will give the you the appropriate credit when quoting.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (jm1YL)
Twice. The games will be a horror of ineptitude.
But nothing will hold a candle to the beatdown the Pats are going to put on the Jets next week.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: rah at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (QGdgs)
Blow up the refinery, blockade incoming gasoline, wait for white flag. If we had a competent intelligence service some of that could be done covertly.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (ZGrMX)
ahem.
Posted by: Israel at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (Ciifn)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (6qErC)
I couldn't remember how to have a press conference,
until this morning.
Posted by: Chris Coons
I remember you standing there laughing while Delaware's own Joe Biden groped your daughter, at a press conference.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (5ztcy)
Blow up the refinery, blockade incoming gasoline, wait for white flag. If we had a competent intelligence service some of that could be done covertly.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (ZGrMX)
They're great at spying on Americans in their home soil.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
AMEN
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:21 AM (2LelM)
Gonna be hard for anyone to lose to Miami this year.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (k76MH)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:26 AM (wYseH)
Yeah, but it is not in American national Interests to cede control of the persian gulf to the Iranians and the Russians
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (p0A33)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (cGqiy)
If they were making that kind of money they wouldn't have had to fire a bunch of people and start renting out parts of their building to their businesses.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (ptqGC)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (dkrmM)
I believe that 5% pressed Green mixed in our refined fuels will turn the exhaust into unicorn farts.
Posted by: JEM at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (8erNz)
Jets + Giants....seven games?
At the rate the Jets are losing players they will be lucky to win a game this year.
I've never seen a team lose so many critical players so quickly.
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The jets got beat by the browns. Well, actually by Odell Beckham Jr.
Posted by: I actually a bit surprised at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (C6xeQ)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:21 AM (2LelM)
Gonna be hard for anyone to lose to Miami this year.
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They play the Jets twice so odds are good they can win one of them.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (2LelM)
By the way, I remember the rat lines coming from Iran and into Iraq loaded with supplies and support for the assholes who were fighting our men.
But yeah, this is the Saudi's problem or something...Right.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:13 AM (VpIIl)
Yes, Iran is responsible for all that. Meanwhile, the Saudis are responsible for 9/11 as well as building the Wahhabi mosques and schools all over the West that provide the support network for all those "lone wolves."
This is the Iraq/Iran war all over again. There are no good guys in this fight .
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at September 17, 2019 11:30 AM (N4xQB)
By now, most people realize that Bing Crosby wasn't quite the abusive, tyrannical father his son Gary portrayed in the memoir Going My Own Way, but there is no doubt that Der Bingle was emotionally distant, opening himself up to no one and keeping even long-term partners like Bob Hope at a distance. Dorothy Lamour, for example, was despised by Crosby, who considered her a "dumb, lucky broad" and never bothered to hide his disdain.
https://tinyurl.com/yxzfcxj5
Bob Hope, too, could be emotionally distant, though he at least had, as biographer Richard Zoglin says, "a superficial bonhomie" and treasured his interactions with fans, penning thousands of responses over the years, with no other object than to say "thank you." To Crosby, however, fans were nothing more than an annoyance.
One time in 1940, while in NYC to promote Road to Singapore, Crosby saw Hope stuffing fan mail into a pillowcase. "What the hell are you doing that for?" he asked. Hope responded that he was taking the letters back home so that his secretary could help him answer them.
"I'll show you what I do with my fan mail," Crosby said. He poked through Hope's pillowcase, pulled out an envelope and ripped it open. Inside was a letter as well as a quarter which had been enclosed by a fan for postage and photos.
Bing put the quarter in his pocket and tossed the letter into a wastebasket.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' PracticallyPerfect Piercing at September 17, 2019 11:30 AM (Ki5SV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (p0A33)
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I'm getting tired of this type of thinking. So Russia and Iran have influence over Saudi Arabia. Big fucking deal. I'm tired of being the world's policeman at a cost of trillions of dollars a decade.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:30 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (k76MH)
We're on it.
Posted by: Steelers at September 17, 2019 11:30 AM (Ciifn)
That's funny right there. 'Cause they can't even fight each other.
Let 'em go at it for a time.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:30 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf?
NFL teams are treating the Dolphins worse than Seaworld.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:30 AM (dkrmM)
That doesn't mean we should put boots on the ground though an
invasion of the kingdom might change things. But we don't have a lot of
rapid deployment forces that could get there fast.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at September 17, 2019 11:25 AM
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We have sold the Saudi's a $hit ton of our latest military hardware. Literally billions upon billions of $$$ worth of planes, tanks and artillery at cost or below over the last decade. They have the best equipment that money can buy but they can't fight for squat. We found that out during Desert Storm.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:31 AM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM (jm1YL)
I have a couple of friends who worked as ex-pats in the Saudi refineries, they were engineers. All of those stories were similar - one worked with about 9 Saudi managers, in luxurious offices, but every time something went wrong in the refinery that needed some hands on attention, they always sent him. (and consequently he got to know the actual workers in the refinery well, almost none of whom were Saudi) He said he always preferred being out in the refinery, not in the offices, because all the other 9 Saudi managers did with their time was to fight with each other constantly and bitterly to see which one got the nicest office, the biggest desk, and the most impressive sounding nameplate to hang on his door. They were never interested in anything else, and certainly would never dirty their hands with actual physical work.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:31 AM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (BmAAY)
Who?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 17, 2019 11:31 AM (kw5n8)
What is this group they call "the Squad"?
Four women of color that seem so odd.
They rant and rave against the Jews
And swear to impeach the leaders WE choose.
They scream about a Green New Deal
And plot about OUR rights they'd steal.
They call people RACISTS because they're white
And think THEIR bias is their right.
If this is what our future will hold,
It's best we resist, and break the mold.quad"
Posted by: rld with coffee at September 17, 2019 11:31 AM (Ad4Et)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:30 AM (FiUMj)
fine but that is awful short sighted.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:31 AM (p0A33)
Huh. Too bad Trump can't draw flies. When was the last time the MSM reported on a "huge crowd" at a MAGA rally?
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (Cssks)
https://bit.ly/2mkMkob
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (dkrmM)
Yay!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (KZzsI)
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NYT is a public company. Here is a link to their Q2 report.
https://tinyurl.com/y2y8xt2r
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (BmAAY)
Who?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 17, 2019 11:31 AM (kw5n
He was on first.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (BmAAY)
Who?
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Yeah. He was always on first.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (dkrmM)
Posted by: muttering vikings fan at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (m3tRO)
Agree whole heartedly! The cost in American lives also. Sick of seeing stories about guys and gals disabled for life. Sick of it.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (jm1YL)
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit
We can spend time rebuilding our forces and capabilities after 20 years of yo-yo deployments in combat zones, and possibly even shoring up our domestic situation so we could sustain what would be needed, or we can send an already depleted force that could, at any time, wind up with a command structure that hates it and a media that will undercut it at home at every opportunity.
But hey, your call. Just remember how Rome and Persia went.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Make Anatolia Greek Again
at September 17, 2019 11:33 AM (AM1GF)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (k76MH)
We're on it.
Posted by: Steelers at September 17, 2019 11:30 AM
THAT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE I WON'T WATCH
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at September 17, 2019 11:33 AM (Ciifn)
Or shoved up his ass. Either is fine.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 17, 2019 11:33 AM (cxIsI)
Really? I keep seeing that claimed, but no actual, you know... proof.
China has more to lose in this mess than anyone. Let them bleed for a time.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:33 AM (6qErC)
Sure, we often take out the attackers. But we never seen to get around to nailing their benefactor, Iran.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:33 AM (VpIIl)
Bezos ripped of a $250 million check for the WP with NO due diligence.
Like JJ would buy a bottle (case) of Value Rite
It will be the same for the NYT etal
Posted by: REDACTED at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM (AQBtr)
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM (J+mig)
As long as he doesn't go all SJW. I don't want to see Thag with a PDT hairdo.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM (jm1YL)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2019 11:04 AM (BmAAY)
Who?
Posted by: TheQuietMan
The First Baseman !
Posted by: JT at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM (arJlL)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:30 AM (FiUMj)
fine but that is awful short sighted.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:31 AM (p0A33)
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The middle east has been a shitstorm for centuries. With or without us there it will continue to be a shitstorm.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: I Have Questions at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM (BvNzB)
Gary Larson's THE FAR SIDE Cartoon Coming Back
https://bit.ly/2mkMkob
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (dkrmM)
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I saw this yesterday. I hope he isn't planning on being political. He would occasionally slip in environmentalist stuff into his panels.
I only hesitate to shout Huzzah! because nearly every triumphant return of my pop culture favorites has been a disappointment.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM (kQs4Y)
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''Gary Larson's THE FAR SIDE Cartoon Coming Back ''
As long as he doesn't go all SJW. I don't want to see Thag with a PDT hairdo.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM
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My thoughts, as well.
Posted by: irright at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (pMGkg)
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20,000? I don't believe it.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (vg8iE)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (FiUMj)
Gary Larson's THE FAR SIDE Cartoon Coming Back
https://bit.ly/2mkMkob
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (dkrmM)
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I loved The Far Side and hated to see Larson end the strip. But reboots are never as good as the first time, and this is 2019, and may go stupid political, like everything is in 2019.
Posted by: josephistan at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (7HtZB)
https://bit.ly/2mkMkob
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (dkrmM)
Yay!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (ptqGC)
I'd hold off on the "yays" just yet. I'm expecting that, like Berke Breathed's revival of Bloom County, Larson needs to show off his TDS.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (Ki5SV)
The president would make sure whatever deal is made would enrich those companies enormously.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (jm1YL)
Yeah, and Batman 1986 made no money so they couldn't pay Jack Nicholson his cut. There's the numbers on paper and there's how you behave in the real world.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (KZzsI)
Great flick if you omit the obviously tacked-on diversity speech at the very end. One of a string of Peter Berg movies that Democrats hate alongside Lone Survivor and Deepwater Horizon (because in that movie oil wasn't the bad guy, sneering European elites were).
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (ZGrMX)
Perfect.
https://tinyurl.com/yyq676cb
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (hjaPQ)
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2019 11:32 AM (Cssks)
Last week in NC?
Posted by: BignJames at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (X/Pw5)
Posted by: Cato
Since they hate joos, they pay full retail.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:36 AM (dkrmM)
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That's right! I bleed for my own facelifts!
Posted by: Mika at September 17, 2019 11:36 AM (vg8iE)
Yeah the spike in prices was just long enough so that the insiders could sell to the low-info investor using the propaganda media headlines for investment tips.
For a country that boasts of being able to read license plates from space, having significant military interests in the flight path from Iran - not be able to see or even be aware that an attack was happening is hard to believe.
Then again, our alleged omniscient "intelligence community" didn't see 9/11, couldn't find OBL, couldn't even overthrow their own government...
We are so gas lighted these days, its impossible not to come up with a host of conspiracy theories, false flag scenarios, incompetence, corruption.
Posted by: ʎoſ ƃuᴉ,Ⅎ ɟo pɹᴉq ǝnlq at September 17, 2019 11:36 AM (lD3vL)
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 17, 2019 11:37 AM (w7KSn)
Great flick if you omit the obviously tacked-on diversity speech at the very end. One of a string of Peter Berg movies that Democrats hate alongside Lone Survivor and Deepwater Horizon (because in that movie oil wasn't the bad guy, sneering European elites were).
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (ZGrMX)
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The Kingdom's pretty solid.
But Peter Berg also made Battleship.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 17, 2019 11:37 AM (DjIxe)
Grr.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 17, 2019 11:37 AM (kI/3T)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Dan'l Jones can throw a football clear over them mountains.
Posted by: eleven
The ones in Tampa?
Yes. Yes, he can.
Posted by: mikeski at September 17, 2019 11:37 AM (P1f+c)
IIRC the majority of Iran's oil goes to China, who has issued 'warnings' abut action against the refinery and port.
IRG bases I'm sure they care bupkiss about though.
Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat at September 17, 2019 11:37 AM (UFLLM)
As long as he doesn't go all SJW. I don't want to see Thag with a PDT hairdo.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM
You can't reheat a souffle.
Posted by: Sir Paul McCartney at September 17, 2019 11:37 AM (Ciifn)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:38 AM (FiUMj)
Yeah, we'll see. If he can stick to being silly and poking gentle fun as odd things, that will be great, but his perspective on science was sometimes a bit... not exactly religious? But certainly anti-religious.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:38 AM (KZzsI)
Yep. Always is. I remember being excited about the Star Wars prequels. We all know how well that went and it's been downhill ever since.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:38 AM (jm1YL)
Remember how all through "Russiagate", Dems kept thinking Trump would blow up and do something really stupid that would blow things wide open for them? But he never did - which means he's got real self control, and the part about looking like he's out of control and emotional is all an act to keep his enemies off balance.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:38 AM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: davidt at September 17, 2019 11:38 AM (m3tRO)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (vg8iE)
18000 were lined up at a nearby taco truck.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2019 11:38 AM (jEgzt)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 17, 2019 11:28 AM (k76MH)
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Do we get to play Miami this season?...
Posted by: Your Washington Redskins at September 17, 2019 11:38 AM (flINI)
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:23 AM
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Yes and no.
I taught foreign students for a bit while assigned to an Army training school. Frequently the senior officers (Colonels) would come in with two or three LTCs and Majors who would actually go to class and do the work. The Colonels may or may not show up. But the weekends could always find them in Vegas. The lower level guys were OK and some genuinely interested and willing to learn. But most, not so much.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (axyOa)
bubble and hope bad things don't come our way as a results. The entire
length of world history shows that ends in disaster.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:27 AM (VpIIl)
Hell of a straw man you have there...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (wYseH)
cough! HELLOOOO, ISIS! Welcome back fellas! cough!
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (Cssks)
If you'd scroll up you would see I said they were probably making money but not as much as they claim. All newspapers are doing very badly because their audience is dying out and nobody buys classified ads in them any longer (which was, believe it or not, their biggest earner).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (KZzsI)
Eh, I like Battleship. It's big dumb fun, and the way they made it sort of like how the game plays is somewhat clever. And if you don't love the WW2 vets helping to crank up the Missouri at the end you might be a Communist.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (ZGrMX)
Around March, LM sold about $15b for THAAD systems alone. GD has been selling them M1A1 abrams just about every year.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:40 AM (VpIIl)
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 17, 2019 11:37 AM (w7KSn)
A generation earlier, the same thing happened to Wiley Post and Will Rogers.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:40 AM (Kpl3J)
Gary Larson's THE FAR SIDE Cartoon Coming Back
https://bit.ly/2mkMkob
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (dkrmM)
Part of me thinks this is awesome and part of me is afraid that he's going to go full-tilt green and piss me off.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at September 17, 2019 11:40 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Tuna
In my experience and interactions, yes.
Posted by: Bert G at September 17, 2019 11:40 AM (OMsf+)
Gotta keep Slim happy...
(fwiw, I laugh that their big moneymaker is crosswords and cookbooks. Tells us that the newspaper ain't making bank)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:40 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: davidt at September 17, 2019 11:38 AM (m3tRO)
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I really don't think he will. And I'm happy about that. For once we have a leader that can say "no" to a war.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:40 AM (AzW6q)
cough! HELLOOOO, ISIS! Welcome back fellas! cough!
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (Cssks)
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Serious question: What has Isis done to you personally? And no I'm not being facetious. Because quite honestly, if isis wants to fight some fucking sect from GoatFuckingStan for the next 20 years, I don't give a fuck.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:40 AM (FiUMj)
People are such pendulums. Its never a reasoned middle study, its all or nothing. This kind of argument is a logical fallacy called "false dichotomy" in which you choose your position, and then an invented false position your opponent does not hold, and pretend those are the only two choices.
Obama used to do this all the time in his speeches. "Some call for nuns to be raped to death by orcs! I call for hugs for kittens!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:40 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Roy at September 17, 2019 11:41 AM (Ciifn)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2019 11:41 AM (y7DUB)
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Bullshit. If there were 20,000 most were media. LOL
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:41 AM (jm1YL)
does - and that's not a joke. I think he's been the one telling them
what they should do to try to provoke Trump into doing something
disastrous.Posted by: Tom Servo
Be a crying shame if we just happened to drop a 50-megaton nuke on that piece-of-shit's extended forehead while he was meeting with the mullahs in Tehran.
A crying. fucking. shame.
Posted by: DocJ at September 17, 2019 11:41 AM (77WPm)
Sure. Because the world is getting bigger and less interconnected.
No sane person wants war. We don't always have a choice. Let's say we turn this over to the Saudis and sit back. What happens when Iran takes over Saudi Arabia because that would be the likely outcome without our intervention?
Why would Iran stop with SA when they have been proclaiming loudly for decades that their ultimate goal is to wipeout Israel? The entire region would likely become a battlefield. What then?
Trump isn't an idiot and clearly not a warmonger yet he is considering supporting the Saudis if his public statements are to be believed. Just because we have no interest in crazy Iranian mullahs doesn't mean the don't have an interest in us.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 17, 2019 11:41 AM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 17, 2019 11:37 AM (DjIxe)
Stupid movie except for the scene where they fire up the USS Missouri. And we didn't even get to see Brooklyn Decker's tits.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:41 AM (NWiLs)
cough! HELLOOOO, ISIS! Welcome back fellas! cough!
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (Cssks
There's a pretty big ISIS presence in Paris, Brussels, and London. Should we invade those places as well?
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at September 17, 2019 11:42 AM (N4xQB)
Then Victor Davis Hanson is also setting up "quite a straw man," too. Because he makes the same point. But what does he know, anyway.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2019 11:42 AM (Cssks)
Eh, I like Battleship. It's big dumb fun, and the way they made it sort of like how the game plays is somewhat clever. And if you don't love the WW2 vets helping to crank up the Missouri at the end you might be a Communist.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (ZGrMX)
I agree - I watched it on cable thinking "well this is gonna be really dumb" but it had a good pace and was entertaining throughout. I've seen much much worse.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:42 AM (Kpl3J)
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Her campaign said 20 thousand.. Regular estimations were 8-10 thousand.. Which shocks me that anyone would want to hear that cranky old socialist... But it was NY
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2019 11:42 AM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:34 AM (FiUMj)
Iranina, Russian dominance of the persian gulf could strangle the worolds oil supply, tank all western economies, enrich Iran, topple all other gov in the Arab world and possible lead to a nuclear conflict that would be contained. But fine, if you think we can pull back to fortress America and not be effected, than I guess we disagree
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:43 AM (p0A33)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:43 AM (KZzsI)
Don't think so - was touring with another politico (leader?)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:43 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at September 17, 2019 11:42 AM (N4xQB)
We already tried that, the fix never sticks.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:43 AM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2019 11:43 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:43 AM (tH5fk)
Gary Larson's THE FAR SIDE Cartoon Coming Back
https://bit.ly/2mkMkob
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:29 AM (dkrmM)
Part of me thinks this is awesome and part of me is afraid that he's going to go full-tilt green and piss me off.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at September 17, 2019 11:40 AM (RD7QR)
I feel the same way if Bill Waterson ever revived "Calvin & Hobbes"
Posted by: josephistan at September 17, 2019 11:43 AM (7HtZB)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 17, 2019 11:44 AM (jYnPD)
Posted by: Ian S
*fistbump
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:44 AM (dkrmM)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (KZzsI)
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Well obviously not ALL newspapers. NYT still has a huge readership. Along with ads there is also a paid online subscription that is doing well. And yes, they also sell good old fashioned ads.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:44 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 17, 2019 11:44 AM (jYnPD)
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GET OUT!
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:44 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 17, 2019 11:44 AM (5l6gb)
But that reasoned approach doesn't get clicks...
*heh*
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:39 AM (wYseH)"
It's reality. You just don't like it. Me? I am a realist who has studied these threats across the history of mankind.
And nobody is saying we should fight other people's wars. But we should always protect OUR interests. Anyone who believes we have no interests in the Saudi-Iran standoff, has their head up their ass, doesn't understand the nature of geopolitical allies/alignment and is trying to re-write the entire history of global conflict. By the way, this is the point GEN Mattis was trying to recently make- and he's exactly right about that.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (VpIIl)
Kamel tow sent a letter to the House Judiciary committee demanding they launch an investigation into Kavanaugh.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (JUOKG)
I completely agree with the bonobo. Give the Saudis intelligence and logistical support.
What's the point of selling them all the military hardware if not for them to use it?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (wzVKm)
As Fox Mulder says, Trust No One.
Except Trump but that's a given.
Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (hvKcY)
There comes a time when you have to realize you've done what you can and you have to leave the savages to figure it out for themselves. Zero never made that calculation, never once, but decided instead on a purely political move to toss a bone to his once-dovish-now-hawkish base.
My feeling is that such time passed in AFG about 10-years ago.
We, as in the USA, have not been attacked. I have no interest in sending another young man off to die in yet another go-nowhere, never-ending war with the sandpeople. Nuke them, or stay the fuck out of it.
Posted by: DocJ at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (77WPm)
I'll bet. Wonder where he lives now. If it's Seattle the I don't hold out much hope.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (jm1YL)
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I loved The Far Side and hated to see Larson end the strip. But reboots are never as good as the first time, and this is 2019, and may go stupid political, like everything is in 2019.
Posted by: josephistan
It's like trying to recreate Woodstock or the fabulous party you had one weekend. Just look at the old strips and be happy. They are timeless.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:43 AM (p0A33)
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Oh please.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (FiUMj)
yesterday-- something to do with commemorating the Triangle Shirtwaist
Fire women pioneers. WaPo: "20000 attended, according to event
organizers."
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20,000? I don't believe it.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (vg8iE)
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BULLSHIT. There would be video, pictures, and hundreds of reports about this.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (pw+jk)
Kamel tow sent a letter to the House Judiciary committee demanding they launch an investigation into Kavanaugh.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (JUOKG)
Willie Brown's sidepiece did what? Yawn.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (ptqGC)
were 8-10 thousand.. Which shocks me that anyone would want to hear that
cranky old socialist... But it was NY
Posted by: It's me donna
My guess is that they know it looks bad that Trump can pull in so many at each and every rally, and they're trying to make it look like they can too.
Protip: they can't.
Posted by: pep at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (T6t7i)
And if you don't love the WW2 vets helping to crank up the Missouri at the end you might be a Communist.
Posted by: Ian S
*fistbump
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:44 AM (dkrmM)
Epic scene, especially with Thunderstruck playing.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (5l6gb)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:43 AM (p0A33)
At the current rate of things, Russiand and Iranian dominance of the region is unlikely. Additionally, Russia does not necessarily want Iran to get all that powerful either.
Iran is in serious economic trouble and their foreign expeditions are unpopular. Israel is adding cost to those efforts, both in bodies and financially. Saudi Arabia is doing similarly in Yemen, though they might need help with that.
Posted by: Someguy at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (Wj9tV)
WaPo describes "huge crowd" at Warren rally in NYC yesterday-- something
to do with commemorating the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire women
pioneers. WaPo: "20000 attended, according to event organizers."
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20,000? I don't believe it.
doesn't say what attended. could be counting bewbs.
Posted by: Anachronda at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (sGtp+)
Well we ought to have a bunch ready to remove all NBC materials and intel when the mullahs get the rope.
Posted by: DaveA at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Gary Larson at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (KBY7Z)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (FiUMj)
Oh Please what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:47 AM (p0A33)
ALL newspapers, without exception, took a steep nosedive in subscriptions and readership after 2000. It was like some kind of collapse in the industry, because that's exactly what it was. NYT included. They still have a core of die-hard readers, mostly in their later years, but its a fraction of what they once had. And their classified earnings died just like everyone else's in the business.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:47 AM (KZzsI)
251 WaPo describes "huge crowd" at Warren rally in NYC yesterday--
something to do with commemorating the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire
women pioneers. WaPo: "20000 attended, according to event organizers."
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Her campaign said 20 thousand.. Regular estimations were 8-10
thousand.. Which shocks me that anyone would want to hear that cranky
old socialist... But it was NY
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2019 11:42 AM (O2RFr)
Warren in NY and can only draw 8-10k? In deep blue NY? Trump rallies in Manchester, NH and draws 11,500 and that is in purple NH.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 17, 2019 11:47 AM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:44 AM (FiUMj)
I am out there, lurker, and I am loving every minute of it.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 17, 2019 11:47 AM (jYnPD)
Somehow I doubt there were people lining up the night before to get in.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2019 11:47 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: DocJ at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (77WPm)
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A-FUCKING-MEN
I'm not opposed to international war per se. I'm opposed to never ending quasi-wannabe-kina-sorta war that can never be won. If we went full out war with Iran, I'd be fine with it. Because the war would last about 15 minutes. But war with Iran in the 2000s means 15 years of bullshit where where the rules of engagement prevent shooting at anyone.
So as you say either nuke 'em or stay away.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:47 AM (FiUMj)
Please stop making rational arguments. You're upsetting the "no blood for oil" and "I love being an ostrich, and getting shot in the ass" crowd.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:47 AM (VpIIl)
The false dichotomy is definitely a thing, and I'm not entirely opposed to limited engagement - using the Navy to secure the Gulf and the Air Force to establish early air superiority that the Saudis could maintain from then on? No problem.
Just no land invasions, unless we're looking to add new Territories, I'm sick of these damned nation building exercises where we spend a fortune to create another dysfunctional shithole that hates us.
If the Sauds want to invade and reform Iran, they can do it themselves.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 17, 2019 11:48 AM (J+mig)
Well we ought to have a bunch ready to remove all NBC materials and intel when the mullahs get the rope.
Posted by: DaveA at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (FhXTo)
NBC, CBS, CNN - all of them.
Posted by: josephistan at September 17, 2019 11:48 AM (7HtZB)
Well, of course she did. Kavanaugh ain't going nowhere sweetie. Maybe we should launch an investigation into how you got where you are today? But we already know don't we.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:48 AM (jm1YL)
Posted by: Someguy at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (Wj9tV)
If we abandon the Persian Gulf, that would not longer hold true. Iran would achieve dominance thru out the Middle east right up the Border of Israel and Egypt
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:48 AM (p0A33)
No sane person wants war. We don't always have a choice. Let's say we turn this over to the Saudis and sit back. What happens when Iran takes over Saudi Arabia because that would be the likely outcome without our intervention?
Why would Iran stop with SA when they have been proclaiming loudly for decades that their ultimate goal is to wipeout Israel? The entire region would likely become a battlefield. What then?
Trump isn't an idiot and clearly not a warmonger yet he is considering supporting the Saudis if his public statements are to be believed. Just because we have no interest in crazy Iranian mullahs doesn't mean the don't have an interest in us.
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Well there you go making sense again, you stop that or the Peace at any price will go after you
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 17, 2019 11:48 AM (BqBId)
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And if you don't love the WW2 vets helping to crank up the Missouri at the end you might be a Communist.
Posted by: Ian S
*fistbump
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:44 AM (dkrmM)
Epic scene, especially with Thunderstruck playing.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (5l6gb)
Best part of the movie.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 17, 2019 11:48 AM (N39Ws)
yesterday-- something to do with commemorating the Triangle Shirtwaist
Fire women pioneers. WaPo: "20000 attended, according to event
organizers."
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20,000? I don't believe it.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 17, 2019 11:35 AM (vg8iE)
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BULLSHIT. There would be video, pictures, and hundreds of reports about this.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM
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Yep there would be video and pictures all over the place if that were true.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:48 AM (JUOKG)
Early in their training, infantrymen (yes, men !!!) are taught the difference between a raid and as assault. A raid invoLVes going somewhere, braking some things, killing some people, and leaving. An assault involves going somewhere, breaking, some things, killing some people, and staying their.
Not very difficult concepts for infantrymen.
Posted by: 11B40 at September 17, 2019 11:48 AM (evgyj)
She views this as a possible way to get attention and polling numbers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:49 AM (KZzsI)
DJT goes to New Mexico (which went for Felonious by 8%) and draws at least as large a crowd.
Posted by: DocJ at September 17, 2019 11:49 AM (77WPm)
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Out of a 90% Dem metro area of over 10 million?
That's embarrassing.
Posted by: Ha at September 17, 2019 11:49 AM (HJ38S)
China would be a much more problematic case. They are everywhere in the Middle East and Africa filling the void we left.
Anyone think the Chinese would have any compunction about stepping into this conflict with the chance to change their economic situation dramatically?
Me neither.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 17, 2019 11:49 AM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (FiUMj)
Oh Please what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:47 AM (p0A33)
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Oh please with the hyperbole. Russia has influence of Saudi Arabia and all of a sudden WW3 starts and western civilization comes to and end....
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:49 AM (FiUMj)
Well that tears it.
Kamel tow sent a letter to the House Judiciary committee demanding they launch an investigation into Kavanaugh.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
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The pundits are openly saying that the Democrats need to impeach Kavanaugh and "expand" the Court with more liberals in order to "restore balance." I heard that on MSNBC yesterday.
If they get into power, they'll do it, at least the packing part.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 17, 2019 11:50 AM (13CQC)
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So, she's admitting she was a big fat fucking failure the first time around?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 17, 2019 11:50 AM (vg8iE)
Huh.
Who produces more finished product - Baytown or Iran?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:50 AM (6qErC)
This ain't that.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:50 AM (VpIIl)
"Texas can no longer take any energy out of the ground."
-Hawaiian judge
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 17, 2019 11:07 AM (DjIxe)
Hawaiian Judge now IN the ground.Texas
Posted by: Grannymimi at September 17, 2019 11:50 AM (u5LFV)
Posted by: Someguy at September 17, 2019 11:46 AM (Wj9tV)
I agree, and that's something that we should remember. Iran, the New York Times, and the House Democrats all have something in common - they're losing in their fights against Trump, they don't know what to do about it, and they're getting desperate and lashing out in ever more self-destructive ways.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:50 AM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (ZGrMX)
She views this as a possible way to get attention and polling numbers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Here's some fun: the NY Times story is going DOWN. CBS News has joined WaPo and blew holes in it yesterday if you can believe that. The Impeach Kavanaugh crowd is going to have to find a way to jump off that comet without looking like idiots.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (13CQC)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM (VpIIl)
Did you bother to read what I wrote? I never said that we shouldn't protect our own interests, and I never said we should withdraw from the world.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (wYseH)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (pw+jk)
(gene Wilder voice) When?
Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (UFLLM)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (KZzsI)
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Same places that told them Iraq was the mostest superest advanced military in the world circa 1990.
Posted by: NeoCons at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (FiUMj)
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Bullshit. If there were 20,000 most were media. LOL
Posted by: Tuna
We were counting the genders of the attendees, not the attendees themselves.
Posted by: said Event Organizers at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (P1f+c)
Posted by: Iblis at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (9221z)
Indeed. Time to step back and allow them to self immolate.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
300 Greeks kicked their ass.
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (tH5fk)
Posted by: josephistan at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (7HtZB)
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Nope.
Should've done it way before.
Bush should've done it.
If you have no plan to win a war, and no intention to win a war, just get out. Or better yet, don't bother going in the first place.
The day the US can find the political will to succeed in a foreign war, then fine, do it. But we haven't had that for awhile.
It will take a direct a direct and devastating attack on the US, by a power with the wherewithal to back it up with further attacks, before Americans remember how to do this.
Something worse than 9/11, apparently.
Until then, we should stop writing checks our asses can't cash.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (AzW6q)
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (JFO2v)
148 Between us and Canada we have enough oil to last centuries. But
communists in both countries have prevented that from becoming a
reality.
I believe that 5% pressed Green mixed in our refined fuels will turn the exhaust into unicorn farts.
put a
Posted by: Anachronda at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (sGtp+)
So as you say either nuke 'em or stay away.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:47 AM (FiUMj)
Let's make Nukes obsolete with an unstoppable superweapon. You know the Air Force's X-37B? Perfect delivery vehicle for an old sci-fi concept called Rods from God. All you need are tungsten poles and really good aim, or post-reentry guidance systems. Massive kinetic damage without all the radiation, unless we drop 'em on their nuclear facilities.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (J+mig)
(gene Wilder voice) When?
Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (UFLLM)
Right? Of course, on an individual level, we could just drink like that and not eat.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (NWiLs)
You have missed my pretty simple point in spectacular fashion.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:53 AM (wYseH)
remember. Iran, the New York Times, and the House Democrats all have
something in common - they're losing in their fights against Trump, they
don't know what to do about it, and they're getting desperate and
lashing out in ever more self-destructive ways.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Yeah, that's about right.
Posted by: pep at September 17, 2019 11:53 AM (T6t7i)
She views this as a possible way to get attention and polling numbers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:49 AM (KZzsI)
Kameltoe, Bootygig, and Beto are all flailing, so they're going to do ever more desperate things until their donors finally tell them to lolGF. Which I expect will be around Thanksgiving or so.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at September 17, 2019 11:53 AM (RD7QR)
Any sane person is opposed to war. But I am mostly opposed to war with
out any identifiable objective or interest that is fought with ROE's
that don't allow us to completely destroy the enemy.
This ain't that.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:50 AM (VpIIl)
Any sane person would also have to recognize that such goals must be achievable within 1-2 presidential terms - in modern day - or risk almost certain own goal and retroactively making pointless the loss of life and treasure.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 17, 2019 11:53 AM (jYnPD)
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Yes, The Paolo knows well the "Rod from God"
Posted by: The Paolo at September 17, 2019 11:54 AM (7HtZB)
Send a Marine with a gun through the Pentagon. Everyone that's a lawyer or a Democrat gets escorted out. Problem solved.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:54 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2019 11:45 AM
****
Agreed.
But with his money, he can live anywhere. I hope he keeps politics out of it.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 17, 2019 11:54 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM
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Because Saudi Arabia has literally millions and millions of barrels of oil stored in various places around the globe and they can take up any slack from the attack with that.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 17, 2019 11:54 AM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat at September 17, 2019 11:54 AM (UFLLM)
Our Elites think of our servicemen as their little toys.
My feeling about the ME is they are in need of a New Colonialism. THAT I'd be for. Boots on the ground to secure new USA-Abroad states.
Otherwise, screw them.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 17, 2019 11:54 AM (Rarvo)
Posted by: sven at September 17, 2019 11:54 AM (xbWHd)
Iran is not a terrifying military force, they're a crappy military under insane leadership that is losing power in their own country. All that money we sent them, they spent on stupid ops like rockets for palestinians to fire at Israel and hookers for the Mullahs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:55 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:49 AM (FiUMj)
Oh so you don't think Iran would use control of the supply of oil to the west to further it's political goals? OK?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:55 AM (p0A33)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:55 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Tom Servo
Concur.
Posted by: DocJ at September 17, 2019 11:55 AM (77WPm)
Posted by: Panchito Pistoles at September 17, 2019 11:55 AM (jGFaz)
put a
Posted by: Anachronda
Just how much oil CAN you press out of them?
Posted by: rickb223 at September 17, 2019 11:55 AM (dkrmM)
This ain't that.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:50 AM (VpIIl)
And yet you argue for staying in Afghanistan?!?
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at September 17, 2019 11:55 AM (N4xQB)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM
Which is exactly what we should have done in Afshitistan. Fuck nation building. Fuck with us, we will level you and leave.
Posted by: Gary Larson at September 17, 2019 11:56 AM (KBY7Z)
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Breaking: Every QB in the NFL hates playing football right now! #CamNewton "stepping away" for personal and health reasons in Carolina, Eli benched, Ben, Drew hurt and dissent in Jax and Jets land.
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 17, 2019 11:56 AM (BqBId)
Exactly so. "War is Hell", and you will have to search long to find one any more anti war than me.
If it is unavoidable, the only moral choice is to bring every resource to the quickest conclusion. Dithering about with "rules" just gets men killed.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:56 AM (6qErC)
Insom! *fist bump*
Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat at September 17, 2019 11:54 AM (UFLLM)
*return fistbump*
Word.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:56 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:55 AM (p0A33)
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What I'm saying is so what if Iran furthers its goals? Gas may go to $3.25? OMG we're all gonna dieeeeee!!!!!
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:56 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (wYseH)"
No, you said my argument was a straw man, and it wasn't. You just didn't agree with it and the rationale.
Either way, with some of the crap I'm reading here it's time for me to exfil.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 17, 2019 11:56 AM (VpIIl)
Yeah, they're pulling 1% in even the rigged Dem polls so they're trying to find something -- anything -- that gets them leverage and attention. O'Rourke probably will be doing better in the next round of polls, but still middle of the pack, tops.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:56 AM (KZzsI)
Maybe Colon Kaperdick will get 32 starting jobs by default.
Posted by: sven at September 17, 2019 11:56 AM (xbWHd)
Air Force's X-37B? Perfect delivery vehicle for an old sci-fi concept
called Rods from God. All you need are tungsten poles and really good
aim, or post-reentry guidance systems. Massive kinetic damage without
all the radiation, unless we drop 'em on their nuclear facilities.
The old model used tungsten rods, but they aren't dense enough. That's why the new model uses Joe Biden's brain.
Posted by: pep at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (T6t7i)
I heard the Pats-Fish game on satellite radio, Miami radio broadcast in Miami's football pitch. It was impossible to follow the game for lack of context.
There was no crowd noise. The announcers didn't say he's at the 40, the 30, there's no one..."
It was just "that was a pick six for 51 yards. Wait, no the officials are saying 54 yards. Oh there's another pick six
And the displayed their utter unfamiliarity with Bill Bellichick by wondering why Brady was still in the game with the score 78-0.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (wzVKm)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:51 AM (KZzsI)
It comes from the fact that Iranian forces now dominate most of Iraq, Iranian backed forces control Syria, Iranian forces openly own Lebanon, and Iranian forces are close to overrunning Yemen. Also, Iran is quite close to developing Nuclear Weapons, thanks to Obama.
Iran has been quite open about their desire to create a New Persian Empire that would control the same territory as the old, and which would control a majority of the worlds energy reserves. That's why they embarked on a strategy of encirclement of the Saudi and Gulf states.
They've been working on this plan ever since the Mullah's took over, and they have been remarkable successful so far.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (Kpl3J)
To be fair, that's the supply to the West excluding the US. I'd kind of enjoy the EU coming to beg Trump for oil.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner
Excellent point. Any war must be planned with the express knowledge that a future Dem controlled government will intentionally lose any possible gains.
Get in and get out before the fail hammer can strike.
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (tH5fk)
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
And go to your God like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Soldier of the Queen!
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 17, 2019 11:53 AM (jYnPD)
4 years. That is about the limit any Democracy can fight a major war, without internal dissent.
Posted by: Don Q at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:55 AM (KZzsI)
Yup Iran sucks at War. But they probably suck less than the soft kingdoms and they are crazier. And You dont have to be terribly proficient to drive a truck with a nuke across a border
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (p0A33)
Posted by: Her Boy Toy at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (4ceyg)
Posted by: AltonJackson
link in nick for the MiMoMe
at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (hx3Q8)
Nope. China and Japan, but not "the west"
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (6qErC)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat at September 17, 2019 11:58 AM (UFLLM)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (ZGrMX)
We don't produce that much oil
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 11:58 AM (p0A33)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2019 11:58 AM (O2RFr)
Sadly, true, but this is something Trump could actually end with the stroke of a pen. He can order all those troops home and stop the dumb crap. We don't need our soliders "advising" troops to fight Boko Haram. We don't need to have our troops "advising" the Columbian army on fighting drug lords. He can shut those operations down today.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:58 AM (KZzsI)
WOOT!!
the UPS man just delivered my kit from Del-Ton
WOOT!!
thatisall
Posted by: AltonJackson
link in nick for the MiMoMe
at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (hx3Q
I'm not at all envious, nope, not one bit.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 11:58 AM (NWiLs)
Yup. As Glenn Reynolds used to say all the time, if we invaded Iraq for oil, where the fuck is it? Why was I paying $4 a gallon until fracking kicked in?
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:59 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 11:58 AM (KZzsI)
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bbbut bbbbut if we don't fight Boko Haram over there, we'll have to fight them over here!!! Or something.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:59 AM (FiUMj)
He was shimmying in a lime green, ruffled shirt and pink pants.
I just.....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 12:00 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER
Sorry to hear about the arm, Ben.
Posted by: michelle fields at September 17, 2019 12:00 PM (Dh1wo)
soon, paper plates will fear me from several hundred yards away
Posted by: AltonJackson
link in nick for the MiMoMe
at September 17, 2019 12:00 PM (hx3Q8)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (6qErC)
Not the West? Pray tell why no?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 12:00 PM (p0A33)
Yup. As Glenn Reynolds used to say all the time, if we invaded Iraq for oil, where the fuck is it? Why was I paying $4 a gallon until fracking kicked in?
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:59 AM (ZGrMX)
Dick Cheney has it all hoarded in his back yard or something.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 12:00 PM (NWiLs)
>>And.....
And now the Suez Canal is under their control.
No, the Iranians are not supermen and nobody said they were. But they just might be the least shitty military in the region aside from Israel with numerous terrorist groups at their disposal and they have been threatening to attack their neighbors for decades and often do. Sometimes it's a good idea to listen to maniacs when they repeatedly threaten to kill.
What's ridiculous is saying we, as the lone remaining super power in the world, don't have an interest in one of the most strategic regions on the planet. We are involved. The only question is what will we do.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 17, 2019 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)
He was shimmying in a lime green, ruffled shirt and pink pants.
I just.....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 12:00 PM (ptqGC)
That sounds uber ghey.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (pw+jk)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (tH5fk)
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 17, 2019 11:52 AM (J+mig)
Geeze, not that again. You do realize that every single erg of energy in those rods was put into them by the launch vehicle, plus about nine times more to get the vehicle into Earth orbit? Energy-wise, it's about the most expensive way to blow shit up that one can possibly imagine. Nukes are incalculably cheaper.
Iran is full of filthy muzzies. Who cares about the fallout?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (jEgzt)
Posted by: Her Boy Toy at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (4ceyg)
It's especially stupid because we've never even kept the oil. There's no validity, it's been 100% blood for the benefit of others, because we're The Good Guys (tm), who never ever get to benefit from anything.
Fuck that.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 17, 2019 12:02 PM (J+mig)
He was shimmying in a lime green, ruffled shirt and pink pants.
I just.....
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Good lord. I bet Wardrobe did that on purpose.
Also, wasn't there a mascara bottle those colors?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 17, 2019 12:02 PM (vg8iE)
Posted by: Folgers at September 17, 2019 12:02 PM (5NMZN)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 17, 2019 12:02 PM (cGqiy)
Because much of the ME's oil product output now goes East, not West.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 12:02 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 11:57 AM (ZGrMX)
That wouldn't be what would happen. Because of existing pipelines and other supply issues, the EU would fall under Vladimir Putin's control, very quickly. Putin will win the battle for Europe that his communist predecessors never could.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 12:02 PM (Kpl3J)
He was shimmying in a lime green, ruffled shirt and pink pants.
I just.....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 12:00 PM (ptqGC)
That sounds uber ghey.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (NWiLs)
Dressed like salt water taffy he was.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 17, 2019 12:02 PM (9Om/r)
He was shimmying in a lime green, ruffled shirt and pink pants.
I just.....
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Good lord. I bet Wardrobe did that on purpose.
Hopefully for his sake he is eliminated from the show early
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2019 12:03 PM (O2RFr)
I want my harem of war brides smokin hot, not glowing?
Posted by: Stupifyin Jones' Bicycle Seat at September 17, 2019 12:03 PM (UFLLM)
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BWAHAHAHAHA
First they'd have to find their balls.
The microscope powerful enough for that has yet to be invented.
Posted by: You think I'm being metaphorical, but I'm not at September 17, 2019 12:03 PM (dmoiP)
It will be hilarious when Trump gets the demofascists to go all pro war and blood for oil.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (pw+jk)
Posted by: NPC #329486 at September 17, 2019 12:03 PM (jYnPD)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (FiUMj)
Ya know , this is not a binary choice between all out war and isolationism?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 12:04 PM (p0A33)
Sure. And sometimes the proper response is to laugh in their faces.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 12:04 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 17, 2019 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)
No, the question becomes WHY are we involved?
Just because you have the power to do something, does not mean you should do something.
Hell, I'm trying to figure out why we are defending the EU from Russia? EU has more than 5 times the population, and something like 12 times the GDP of Russia.
Yet WE are paying to defend them?
Posted by: Don Q at September 17, 2019 12:04 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: davidt at September 17, 2019 12:04 PM (m3tRO)
Why, oh why do conservatives go on that show, just to be mocked by libs?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 17, 2019 12:04 PM (ptqGC)
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OMG. Fox just showed Sean Spicer on Dancing With The Stars.
He was shimmying in a lime green, ruffled shirt and pink pants.
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Why the hell do people agree to go on these idiotic shows?
Posted by: irright at September 17, 2019 12:04 PM (pMGkg)
Posted by: Folgers at September 17, 2019 12:05 PM (5NMZN)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (FiUMj)
Ya know , this is not a binary choice between all out war and isolationism?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 12:04 PM (p0A33)
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We've had non-stop war for 75 years post WW2. How about we try actually doing a no-war thing and see how it goes.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 12:05 PM (FiUMj)
Trump clearly went in there knowing our relationship with the Saudis was a scam, but it's like some sort of spell gets cast on them.
Posted by: Blago at September 17, 2019 12:05 PM (sjTfF)
Iran is full of filthy muzzies. Who cares about the fallout?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (jEgzt)
It's not about energy efficiency. We have no shortage of ability. It's about making hardened targets crack like walnuts with absolute impunity.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 17, 2019 12:05 PM (J+mig)
Yet WE are paying to defend them?
Posted by: Don Q at September 17, 2019 12:04 PM (NgKpN)
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Cuz if Putin gets influence over Poland, the world as we know it will end. Or something.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 12:05 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 12:06 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Shemp Smith at September 17, 2019 12:06 PM (UFLLM)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (FiUMj
Fooled about what? Do you even consider what the situation was before Iraqi Freedom? Some people's memories are lacking.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 17, 2019 12:06 PM (cGqiy)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 17, 2019 12:01 PM (pw+jk)
NO BLOOD FOR OIL!
Icky oil? No way.. No blood for solar panels!
Posted by: It's me donna at September 17, 2019 12:06 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 11:59 AM (FiUMj)
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And also at the same time we should have open borders because bad people certainly won't take advantage!
Posted by: Augustine at September 17, 2019 12:06 PM (BDZWU)
Posted by: Sam Donaldson's Sentient Toupe at September 17, 2019 12:06 PM (2Mnv1)
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 12:02 PM (Kpl3J)
Actually a lot of what is going on in the Mid East today is about who will control the oil pipelines THERE.
Posted by: Don Q at September 17, 2019 12:06 PM (NgKpN)
Read the owner's manual, Abdullah.
Get to it.
Posted by: mikeyG at September 17, 2019 12:06 PM (lbPuN)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2019 12:07 PM (ejd/p)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 12:05 PM (FiUMj)
Yes, we tried that wholeheartedly from 1919 - 1941. How did that end again?
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 17, 2019 12:07 PM (Kpl3J)
Also you can save energy by just dropping metal rods on an electrical substation and enjoy the pretty light show (with UV-safe glasses, of course).
Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2019 12:07 PM (ZGrMX)
Heng vs Fredo
Heng, "Do you want to know what incites violence? That's socialism."
Fredo, "I think ads like that incite violence."
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2019 12:07 PM (1J9vk)
Well, gotta keep the local gubbments in cheese. Or something.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 12:07 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 12:07 PM (p0A33)
Suddenly my 1978 prom tux sounds tasteful.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 17, 2019 12:08 PM (wzVKm)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 17, 2019 12:09 PM (FiUMj)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2019 12:09 PM (1J9vk)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 12:09 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2019 12:10 PM (BmAAY)
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 17, 2019 12:05 PM (J+mig)
You can do that right now with nukes. And without militarizing "space". Do you really want a bunch of tungsten rods floating around in Earth orbit, that any smart hacker could seize control of them? Face it, if they are up there, the opposition is going to try to either gain control of them, or block their use by their owner. Fat, juicy, targets.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2019 12:10 PM (jEgzt)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 17, 2019 12:10 PM (1J9vk)
Yeah? I don't think the 12th Imam followers will be terribly impressed by that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2019 12:11 PM (p0A33)
Posted by: Insomniac
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Whatever happened to good old fashioned looting? Whatever happened to Billy Sol Estes?
Posted by: Jesse Lee Turner at September 17, 2019 12:11 PM (xSo9G)
*ponders 'what ever' vs. 'whatever'*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 17, 2019 12:12 PM (xSo9G)
Make that rock in Mecca glow. Otherwise, none of this matters, and we're just dithering about while others get killed.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 17, 2019 12:14 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: rickl at September 17, 2019 12:26 PM (xjiRE)
Iran has built its military around a defensive war against the United States. Air superiority would like not be easily achievable over Iran(the geographical area) and we're very used to having that.
Posted by: Someguy at September 17, 2019 11:18 AM (Wj9tV)
You've got to be kidding. We'd have air superiority within a day. And that includes their anti-aircraft missile sites.
Posted by: Sooner at September 17, 2019 12:26 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: Downcast at September 17, 2019 12:28 PM (jusdg)
And yet every European ever born thinks the USA goes to war over oil constantly and we're just salivating at the chance to attack somewhere to get their oil.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 12:32 PM (KZzsI)
I'm 100% certain that was the deal. Bush got the Euros to forgive all of Iraq's debts and they got the oil.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2019 12:34 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: hurricane567 at September 17, 2019 12:35 PM (dtspl)
MFM: "Oil prices to spike!"
The fellows out in Permian and Bakken: "Hold my beer. No, really, hold my beer. Do you know how hard it is to turn on the wells with only one hand?"
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 17, 2019 01:50 PM (1hM1d)
I totally agree. We no longer need squat from the Saudis, Kuwait, or Iran. Most I would consider doing is taking out nuclear sites with cruise missiles.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at September 17, 2019 01:56 PM (noE+3)
Worked in WWI and WWII.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at September 17, 2019 01:59 PM (noE+3)
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at September 17, 2019 02:24 PM (0CMdT)
Works for me! Let Saudi Arabia and Iran mutually destroy each other, while we sit back and watch.
Posted by: gp, Decaffeinated By Popular Demand at September 17, 2019 03:11 PM (mk9aG)
See # 342 above, if you will.
Note to the "No boots on the ground" crowd":
I believe that there's an increased level of violation when "Boots on the ground" are involved. Like when your house gets burgled or a rat or two take up residence, there's a psychological sense of violation that can linger quite a bit of time.
For me, it's the duration on the ground that's importance. Come, do, and go.
Posted by: 11B40 at September 17, 2019 03:23 PM (evgyj)
Posted by: obsidian at September 18, 2019 11:06 AM (7+yqP)
Posted by: ShainS - Stop Dementia-Shaming Biden! at September 20, 2019 12:58 PM (WqPYg)
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