Gun Thread: Damn AutoCorrect! [Weasel]

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Scientific Thing What Measures Pinky Strength

Who among us hasn't been the victim of autocorrect? Although it can be helpful with the occasional typo, for those who make them, it can also be a nightmare when a word or two are unintentionally changed and completely alter the meaning of a sentence! Am I right?

Let's find out what the ever-loving Hell I'm talking about, shall we?

Last week, while thoughtfully composing the Gun Thread and carefully researching and triple fact checking the material, I wrote:

The fact is, the pinky must be allowed space to join the other fingers, because the pinky is very important and contributes much to your grip strength and it really matters a lot when shooting that your pinky is on the grip so please get a magazine with a pinky extension. Amen.

Well, as can happen to anyone, autocorrect changed that to:

The fact is, even with space to join the other fingers, the pinky doesn't really contribute much in terms of grip strength and it doesn't really matter if it's on the grip or not.

Boy did I ever feel stupid when I saw what happened! As you can imagine, the email was fast and furious, and as soon as the thread was over I had this waiting in my inbox from our pal Jimbro who wrote:

I'm an Orthopedic Surgeon and the small finger adds a lot to grip strength. Here is an article from the National Institutes of Health - US National Library of Medicine, regarding the contribution of the ulnar digits to grip strength.

Thanks for the correction, Doc Jimbro, even though it was totally the fault of autocorrect and in no way a result of my half-assing the job. And with that little unpleasantness out of the way, let's pick up where we left off last week!

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Grips Pt. Dos
So what happens when a gun just doesn't feel right in your hand? Say you're looking for a particular gun and find a great deal but as you pick it up you find your hand is too big or too small and it just feels awkward as shit? Do you pass up the great deal and look for something else? How about the larger calibers? Did you finally buy the 44 Mag snubbie you always wanted, but find the recoil makes it just too painful to shoot so you leave it in the gun safe?

No! No I say!!

I love the Smith & Wesson Model 10, but I'm convinced the original Magna grips were designed as a bad joke. To me, they're too small and feel funny. And not 'ha-ha' funny in a good way, either. Since I'm something of a purist when it comes to things I collect, I leave the Magna's on and just live with the fact that it's going to feel a little goofy when I shoot that particular gun. Same with the Remington Rand 1911A1 I own. I'm sure there are probably aftermarket grips available which might be more comfortable and ergonomically correct, but am I putting them on the pistol? Hell no. As long as I own it, it'll have the correct bakelite grips. These are guns that I shoot just for fun and I'm frankly more interested in the original aesthetics than getting a perfect fit.

It's a pretty simple matter to change the look and feel of a gun by changing the grips. Do you have giant cartoon hands and want pink Hello Kitty grips on your 44 Magnum? I'm sure you can find them. Two aftermarket grip manufacturers mentioned last week are Hogue and Pachmayr, and I have examples of each. I am a big fan of the rubbery Hogue Combats and have them on my daily carry pistol and also on a revolver I carry at the farm. Pachmayr makes a line of grips called the Decelerator which do a really good job of cushioning the recoil of large Magnum cartridges particularly during prolonged range sessions. Both are popular enough that in some cases they are offered as standard equipment by certain manufacturers.

Here are Hogue wrap-around grips on my carry pistol which add both the rubbery grippiness, but also fit my hand better than regular flat grips.

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Hogue Wrap Around Grips

Here is a stock photo of the Pachmayrs. I like them for prolonged large magnum caliber range sessions, but they have more of a squishy 'gel' feeling. I'm sure this contributes to the cushioning, but some might find it a little strange at first.

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Pachmayr Decelerator Grips

Spend some time looking around at the manufacturer's websites linked above. They offer first rate products in just about any size, shape and style imaginable.

There are also a lot of companies making aftermarket grips in all price ranges and some are truly custom, where the maker will incorporate your own design and sizing requirements. I only mention the mass production examples I have used, Hogue and Pachmayer, but an internet search will return dozens of choices for smaller custom shops which can offer a tailored product. It pays to look around and find a shop that will really work on getting you what you want.

How about you all? Has anyone used a true custom grip manufacturer and what was your experience? Did you have them sized up or down, or was your modification in design only?

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Concealed vs. Open Carry
A couple of nights ago, one of Mr. O' Spades' posts turned to a discussion of concealed versus open carry, and I rather brilliantly observed it might be interesting to continue that conversation tonight. As long as I have owned guns, Virginia has allowed open carry, however, there was a time when it was virtually impossible to get a concealed weapons permit in the Commonwealth. Remember Oliver North? I recall reading somewhere that during the Iran-Contra mess, even he wasn't allowed a permit, being unable to demonstrate a sufficient "need" to the courts. Sometime after that, it all changed and Virginia became a "shall issue" state.

Anyhoo, I carry concealed regularly, but I do not think I have ever openly carried, even though it has always been allowed. Carrying a weapon is a big responsibility and I can't think of a good reason to advertise the fact that I'm armed. At best it's likely to simply attract unwanted attention when I'd rather be blending in with the scenery. When I'm at my property in the country, I open carry when I'm working or riding around on the tractor but that's mostly for pest management and I'm not sure it counts because I'm the only person for a half mile in any direction.

So what do you think? Do you live in an open carry state and do you exersize that right, or do you prefer to carry concealed? Can you think of a scenario where you would want people around you to know you're armed?

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Butt-Mart is Dead to Me
By now we've all heard Wal-Mart recently announced they were prohibiting open carry in their stores and also discontinuing the sale of certain ammunition. CVS, Walgreens and Kroger soon jumped on the bandwagon, prohibiting open carry in their stores. I will tell you I was never a frequent Wal-Marter to begin with, and I'm sure as hell not going to become one now. I think these are largely symbolic gestures in an attempt to be seen as doing something in the wake of the shooting at their El Paso store. Time will tell, but I cannot imagine this will sit well with their shoppers, but I also suspect the company will get away with it because for many people these stores are the only game in town now that they've run everyone else out of business.

What other actions could the company have taken in response to the shooting? How about nothing? How about something for the victims and the community as a whole like setting up a scholarship fund? I don't know, maybe they're doing those things too, but I think what they have done only emboldens the anti 2nd Amendment retards, while not accomplishing anything really significant. Besides offering the Board of Directors cover from the shrieking left, that is.

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Link-O-Rama
MidSouth Shooters: Space Saving Ideas for the Reloader
NRA/Washington Times: Parkland Shooting Victim's Father becomes Pro 2nd Amendment
NRA-ILA Article: Gun Control thru Confiscation
NRA-ILA: 2015 Criminal Gun Sourcing Study
NRA Statement on Wal-Mart's Decision
Walmart CEO Doubles Down on Pissing Me Off
Berry's Manufacturing: New Website - Free Shipping and 10% Off!
Powder Valley: Starline Brass Sale and Free Shipping!
NRA Shooting Sports: New ELR World Record - 2,158 Yards

***Mail Bag***

With so much gloomy bullshit in the news, how about a tiny ray of light? Our pal Winston, dreg of society sends us a report from Washington State, where all appears not to be lost!

I wanted to share these shots from the Kittitas, WA, county fair 4 H exhibit. There remains some sanity in the world, even out here. Good kids and there was an even larger display on bows and hunting. They did not mention a preference for long v cross bows. The fair also features re-enactors from the 9th and 10th Cavalry. Lots of detailed history and period weapons and gear. Good people doing an amazing job of education. Another gentleman had a display of his firearms, in a log cabin, on the grounds.

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Thanks for sending this in Winston, dreg of society. It's nice to see there is still some hope!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?


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1 W00T!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 07:01 PM (yQpMk)

2 I have never open carried even when it was legal.


I have however concealed carried even when it wasn't legal.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 08, 2019 07:03 PM (JUOKG)

3 Pachmayr rulez for fighting grips.


also, you misspelled Pachmayr in the post.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 07:03 PM (yQpMk)

4 "By now we've all heard Wal-Mart
recently announced they were prohibiting open carry in their stores and
also discontinuing the sale of certain ammunition. CVS, Walgreens and
Kroger soon jumped on the bandwagon, prohibiting open carry in their
stores."

You do know they are not prohibiting open carry in their stores....they are just asking people not to do it. They said in a clarifying statement they will abide by State laws.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 08, 2019 07:05 PM (JUOKG)

5 Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at September 08, 2019 07:05 PM (arJlL)

6 also, you misspelled Pachmayr in the post.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 07:03 PM (yQpMk)
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Sure did!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:05 PM (MVjcR)

7

Pinkyometer

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2019 07:08 PM (aKsyK)

8 The one thread I read before commenting. Well, most of the time.
Hello, Gunnies!
*said in the same voice Insom uses in addressing a certain nurse *
I said "addressing", not "undressing".

You Morons.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 07:08 PM (qP61y)

9 You do know they are not prohibiting open carry in their stores....they are just asking people not to do it. They said in a clarifying statement they will abide by State laws.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 08, 2019 07:05 PM (JUOKG)
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I'm sure they'll continue to evolve on the issue.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

10 Due to a certain background, when I read your pinky statement last week I did a wait, wut?

Didn't say anything because,,, reasons.

Posted by: teej at September 08, 2019 07:09 PM (gJ3Vg)

11 i open carried while in the Army, but the uniform was my permit.

wouldn't do it now, even if it was legal here in #Failifornia, but i'd carry concealed, if the fascists here would issue permits.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 07:10 PM (SL3Nf)

12

If I boycotted every corporation run by assholes I'd have to move to Gilligan's Island.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2019 07:10 PM (aKsyK)

13 You do know they are not prohibiting open carry in
their stores....they are just asking people not to do it. They said in a
clarifying statement they will abide by State laws.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 08, 2019 07:05 PM (JUOKG)

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In other words, they want credit for saying they hate guns, but don't want an actual gun owner boycott, or to enforce the rules they say they want on their private property.

What a bunch of wimps.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:10 PM (cfSRQ)

14 So I fixed the mag well and shot the Maadi Helwan this week. It's fine. A little crunchy.

If you like the open top design and P38 action of the Beretta 92 series, but find the double stack grip to be too fat, try one of these single stack M1951s that are coming into the country at reasonable prices.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 07:10 PM (yQpMk)

15 Proper English gentlemen shoot with their pinkies out.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2019 07:10 PM (NWiLs)

16 I'm not going to be around for the gun thread tonight but I wanted to drop this in before I leave for the night.

Last week, talking about the Philly cell phone store shooting, I wrote:

180 But the good guy appears to put 3-4 *more* rounds into the bad guy as the latter is lying motionless on the ground [!]. No movement by the perp, but flashes clearly visible, trigger pulls, etc.

Unless I'm missing something, I think our good guy might have a problem.

Yeah, who does he think he is? A cop?


We've all seen video and read reports of cops who lose their sh*t and unprofessionally dump dozens of rounds into (or in the general direction of) a suspect. I don't apologize for my scorn for those cops or the system that far too seldom holds them accountable. But to slam all cops was tarring with too broad a brush and I do apologize for that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 08, 2019 07:11 PM (CR0Sn)

17 I never make it to any of the threads in time to comment, but I'm glad I caught this one.

Friend of mine today gifted me with a Remington Fieldmaster Model 572. I haven't had time yet to check it out in depth, but so far it looks good, although it appears to need some cleaning.

Posted by: lizardbrainski - now with extra class at September 08, 2019 07:11 PM (Tlz6I)

18 10 Due to a certain background, when I read your pinky statement last week I did a wait, wut?

Didn't say anything because,,, reasons.

Posted by: teej at September 08, 2019 07:09 PM (gJ3Vg)
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I was mostly goofing around when I wrote that, but probably should have clarified the pinky doesn't add MUCH. To me it's a non-issue. Yeah, it feels odd when I'm at the range but doubt I'd notice if I were trying to shoot somebody.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

19 The "Pinkies rule, Walmart drools" thread.

Posted by: CyberCipher at September 08, 2019 07:12 PM (Xawuy)

20 And, BTW, look who subtly announces he carries a
"Kimber".

Just joshing, boss.

But jealous.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 07:12 PM (qP61y)

21 Walmart also deserves special hate because they're trying to play the game of "good calibers/bad calibers."

Only the "icky" cartridges will get dropped, like handgun rounds.

Of course a .38 special isn't likely to kill you through a wall. Full-powered rifle ammo will.

Don't we all feel safer?

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:12 PM (cfSRQ)

22 I suspect the trick to open carry is to dress like a security guard coming off shift.

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at September 08, 2019 07:12 PM (xmKbk)

23 Here are Hogue wrap-around grips on my carry pistol

Heh. Your carry and the one I generally tote in the colder months are siblings. Slapped some Hogue grips on mine, as well.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 08, 2019 07:13 PM (EgshT)

24 we should all take the Walmart challenge that was poasted this week:

go to Walmart, load the shit out of a shopping cart, then park it randomly, with a note saying this was what you would have bought, if they hadn't gotten stupid on gun rights, and walk away.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 07:13 PM (SL3Nf)

25
The AoS sideboob is telling me we cannot count on the Supreme Court to uphold and protect the Second Amendment, apparently.

I interpret the idiotic and senseless phrase "living Constitution" as left-speak for the abandonment of the Constitution.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at September 08, 2019 07:13 PM (aJcEn)

26 And, BTW, look who subtly announces he carries a
"Kimber".

Just joshing, boss.

But jealous.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 07:12 PM (qP61y)
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Oh - are they good?

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

27 Regardless of what the pinky contributes in terms of strength, a lot of shooters don't get anything out of it other than having it help them pull shots off to the side when they flinch.

It's not uncommon to see people shoot the compact pistols a little better than the full size pistols as a result, even if they don't like the grip. Example: G19 vs G17

Sight radius on the smaller pistols is a bigger issue than grip.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at September 08, 2019 07:14 PM (67XdO)

28
Why don't gun-makers just install good grips?
The grips on my Sig were plastic crap. So I bought
some Hogues.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at September 08, 2019 07:15 PM (aJcEn)

29 I interpret the idiotic and senseless phrase "living Constitution" as left-speak for the abandonment of the Constitution.





Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at September 08, 2019 07:13 PM (aJcEn)

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Alternatively, the precedents set during the New Deal era are now open for revision.

Society evolved, you see. Like it did on abortion.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:15 PM (cfSRQ)

30 Washington State is an open carry state.
That said, unless I'm in the mountains I usually don't carry because most people here are civilized. We have some loony commie types here but they are keeping a low profile.
As for open carrying west of the mountains, except again, in the mountains, no way, even though it's a good idea, as you will be harassed by the cops and the whiny liberals will shit themselves raw. I was once threatened by some woman for smoking a cigar in public. She was going to call the cops.

Thanks for using the displays from the fair! Sorry about the lousy image quality but the lighting sucked.
WA passed an initiative to greatly restrict gun ownership and such.
32 of the 39 county sheriffs have stated that they believe it's un-constitutional and they will not enforce it.
Virtually all of those counties are east of the mountains.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at September 08, 2019 07:15 PM (xdTAL)

31 Evening, y'all.

Posted by: tbodie at September 08, 2019 07:15 PM (0Euvx)

32 And how many of the Four Rules is that pinkyometer wielder violating, anyway?

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 07:16 PM (qP61y)

33 Spent part of the day helping #4 son cut down both the barrel and stock of an old 410 shotgun he came across. His girlfriend is a tiny thing of 5'0" and very slightly built and this weapon is for her.

Made it to the range this week with a woman shooter that hasn't been shooting since she was 12 with her Dad. We had a ball - shot both my S-W Shield and an AR. She looooved the rifle - I mean ran her hands over it and made cooing noises loved it.

Her shooting was pretty good but again, this was just a get acquainted to firearms trip. She'll be back.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2019 07:16 PM (Y4EXg)

34 Once fitted with the longest mag extension and Hogue grip, my EC9s feels tailor made for my hand. Glocks felt just...not right.

Posted by: Utility muffin at September 08, 2019 07:17 PM (oS0xz)

35 I also discovered that holsters for the M57 Tok fit the M1951 almost perfectly. The M1951 has a beavertail that sticks out much further and will push up a spot in the flap. I could post a picture but I think people get the idea. Still, a serviceable leather storage holster for the 1951 for $9.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 07:17 PM (yQpMk)

36
The wacky German, Joerge, has made a "micro" bow, he calls it a Legolini.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiU6N0hwj9s

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at September 08, 2019 07:18 PM (aJcEn)

37 I have a 629 snubby that I put Pachmayr's on to shoot, hated the way it looked, put the walnut(?)combats back on and decided not to be a wimp. Mind over matter.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

38
Society evolved, you see.

I could argue it has de-volved.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at September 08, 2019 07:19 PM (aJcEn)

39 the whiny liberals will shit themselves raw. I was once threatened by
some woman for smoking a cigar in public. She was going to call the
cops.

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This is why I don't have an issue with Kroger saying they ask people not open carry.

That's fine. It's their store, Michigan (and Ohio where they are based) are shall-issue states.

Michigan has open carry, but you can't do it and drive. A non-CPL holder would therefore have to get out, go to the trunk, unlock and load the weapon and holster it in the parking lot.

CPL holders can carry while driving, so you'd be moving your comfy, concealed pistol out in the open...why?

And don't get me started on the jerks who carry their SKS into the public library. I'm convinced they were paid by libs to pull that crap.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:19 PM (cfSRQ)

40 That's it for this week - have you been to the range?
Yeah.
Results were excellent. I practiced my way out of a decent golf game by too much repetition. When I'm on with a weapon, the way I practice, I just stop.
I stopped one box in today. Good enough. SR9 and PC9.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby's Father at September 08, 2019 07:20 PM (U3oZU)

41 So the pinky thing measures fart strength when you stick out your pinky to show how classy you are??

Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2019 07:20 PM (Dh1wo)

42
I interpret the idiotic and senseless phrase "living Constitution" as left-speak for the abandonment of the Constitution.

Walter Williams used to say "how about you and I play poker and the rules be living?"

It will end up like the Star Trek card game Fizzbin.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2019 07:20 PM (aKsyK)

43 Greetings:

Back during my all-expense-paid tour of somewhat sunny Southeast Asia, I used to wrap the pistol grip with t-shirt strips to build it up to better fit my meathook. It was really useful even when soaking wet.

I also rigged it for an over-the-top sling and swapped out its front end for one from a CAR-15 that I came upon one day. I did not care for the CAR-15's collapsible butt-end.

Posted by: 11B40 at September 08, 2019 07:20 PM (evgyj)

44 To improve overall grip strength use a racquet ball and squeeze it while your computing. A steady grip comes from use.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2019 07:20 PM (l4G13)

45 180 But the good guy appears to put 3-4 *more* rounds into the bad guy as the latter is lying motionless on the ground [!]. No movement by the perp, but flashes clearly visible, trigger pulls, etc.

Unless I'm missing something, I think our good guy might have a problem.

Yeah, who does he think he is? A cop?

Bob the B, I've been thinking about that vid since last week. Not how many rounds he pumped (the perp's moving legs would make me think he's trying to roll over to shoot me). But how fast it all happened.
I spent a whole range session trying to deal with that.
.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 07:21 PM (qP61y)

46 Stogie time!
Tonight's selection: Asylum Insidious Maduro.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

47 Two things. First, if grip is critical, buy a Walther PPQ. Second, I completely agree with Weasel's position. Why make yourself the first target and, the rest of the time, make so many people nervous. That just reinforces the anti-gun advocates. Actually three things. What is the logic behind striker fired handguns with no manual safety. I have read most of the arguments both ways, but I can turn off the safety of my M&P Shield is part of the drawing process with no time loss.

Posted by: Radar at September 08, 2019 07:22 PM (kOzB0)

48 Society evolved, you see.



I could argue it has de-volved.





Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at September 08, 2019 07:19 PM (aJcEn)

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Certainly, but Instapundit has argued that if the right ever embraced a "living constitution," the left would be instantly screwed since all their shaky precedents would go bye-bye.

The left has a hell of a lot more invested in current opinions than the right.

I think they're turning to mega-corps to impose their will because they realize that Trump is flipping the judiciary for a generation or more.

By the time Donald Trump III is elected, that's all they'll have left.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:22 PM (cfSRQ)

49 Why don't gun-makers just install good grips?
The grips on my Sig were plastic crap. So I bought
some Hogues.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at September 08, 2019 07:15 PM (aJcEn)


Some do. The H&K VP9 comes with three sizes each for the side panels and backstrap, so you have 27 possible grip configurations. They're plastic, but on a full-frame 9mm like that, it's very likely that a proper grip fit will do more for you than padding. Just like a well-adjusted sling and proper posture can reduce a rifle's felt recoil as much or more than a recoil pad.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 08, 2019 07:22 PM (t+qrx)

50 44

I know a cheaper way.

Posted by: Paul Rubens at September 08, 2019 07:22 PM (oS0xz)

51 I thought an ulnar was fancy talk for a lady's private parts??

Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2019 07:23 PM (Dh1wo)

52 AND YOU'RE DEAD TO US!!!

Posted by: The Butt-Mart Greeter at September 08, 2019 07:24 PM (amw5z)

53
Bob the B, I've been thinking about that vid
since last week. Not how many rounds he pumped (the perp's moving legs
would make me think he's trying to roll over to shoot me). But how fast
it all happened.

I spent a whole range session trying to deal with that.

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Posted by: RI Red at September 08,2019 07:21 PM (qP61y)

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Haven't seen the video, but from CPL class they told us to empty the weapon. Lethal force is lethal force. Don't be fancy, don't aim for the leg, just shoot until it stops moving.

Of course, it's one thing if you have a five-shot revolver. Emptying an extended mag may be a bit excessive.

Reloading and dumping? Yeah, that's a problem.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:25 PM (cfSRQ)

54 By the time Donald Trump III is elected, that's all they'll have left.
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:22 PM (cfSRQ)



Donald Trump III "The Cruel"

He'll be one of the best in the line.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2019 07:25 PM (amw5z)

55 Hereabouts, open carry is legal, and a goodly number of folks do so.
No way, Jose.
The only time I want the perp(s) to know I'm armed is when I bust leather and start busting caps.

Posted by: eastofsuez at September 08, 2019 07:25 PM (U2zca)

56 Mmm... warm gun thread.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2019 07:25 PM (rBtIz)

57 I thought an ulnar was fancy talk for a lady's private parts??
Posted by: andycanuck

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No Andy, you're thinking of a uvula.


LOL

Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2019 07:26 PM (Y4EXg)

58 51
I thought an ulnar was fancy talk for a lady's private parts??


Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2019 07:23 PM (Dh1wo)

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No, that's the uvula.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:26 PM (cfSRQ)

59 No range this week, time for a break.

Wally World is dead to me too.....bastids.

A note to SKS fans, check your bayonets. When these rifles came into the country, most had to have their bayonets reattached. Some were re-installed edge side up when extended when it should be the opposite. Both Chinese spike and Russian blade types.

Here is a website which explains it and how to check, with pictures.

https://tinyurl.com/y4lz4pys

Stay safe and shoot straight!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 08, 2019 07:27 PM (Z+IKu)

60 This is why I don't have an issue with Kroger saying they ask people not open carry.
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:19 PM (cfSRQ)


Kroger is still on my good list because they told Moms Demand Something Or Other that no, they weren't going to go gun-free in all their stores, they were going to abide by the relevant statutes in the area for each store. It was a while ago, and I don't remember what the crisis of the day was, but I do remember that.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 08, 2019 07:27 PM (t+qrx)

61 All God's children got a uvula.

Posted by: Deputy Barney Fife at September 08, 2019 07:27 PM (amw5z)

62 HA!! AH Lloyd!!

AoS mind is scary, no?

Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2019 07:27 PM (Y4EXg)

63 Doesn't add much?

Weasel, lay your forearm on the desk, palm up.
Now, let your view go from finger tips up to your elbow.
Make a tight fist and observe visually, as well as feeling, the muscle structure in your forearm and where your grip feels the strongest in your hand.

Or don't.

Posted by: teej at September 08, 2019 07:27 PM (gJ3Vg)

64 On the subject of grip strength, it isn't always obvious how best to grip. Perhaps deliberately gripping with the pinky is the smart thing to do?
When gripping a tennis racket the tendency is to grip it with the fist and it is actually most effective to focus on gripping with the ring finger, the rest follow.
Conversely, you can relax your whole body by relaxing your tongue.
The time you wasted reading this comment you can never get back.

Posted by: There, It's Done at September 08, 2019 07:28 PM (fOqG5)

65 That's the uvula!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at September 08, 2019 07:28 PM (amw5z)

66 N, Andy, you're thinking of a uvula.
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I thought that was a horn thingee from South Africa??

Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2019 07:28 PM (Dh1wo)

67 I have read most of the arguments both ways, but I can turn off the safety of my M&P Shield is part of the drawing process with no time loss.
Posted by: Radar at September 08, 2019 07:22 PM (kOzB0)

Radar, that's one of the things I compared on my range trip yesterday. I'm not sure if the guy in the vid was flipping his safety off with his gun in the holster; it appeared very fluid like round in the chamber ready go, draw, shoot.
There is a slightly perceptible delay (for me) in thumbing a safety off.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 07:29 PM (qP61y)

68 Donald Trump III "The Cruel"



He'll be one of the best in the line.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2019 07:25 PM (amw5z)

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Wait, I thought Donald Trump III was "The Cool," noted for his style and also calm deliberation.

Ivanka II was "The Cruel." She knew how to get even, I tell ya.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:29 PM (cfSRQ)

69 Breathing makes a big difference on your grip also.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2019 07:29 PM (l4G13)

70 62
HA!! AH Lloyd!!



AoS mind is scary, no?

Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2019 07:27 PM (Y4EXg)

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Damn, too quick on the draw.

I am still recovering, you know.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:30 PM (cfSRQ)

71 51 I thought an ulnar was fancy talk for a lady's private parts??
Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2019 07:23 PM (Dh1wo)

Tibia.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2019 07:31 PM (NWiLs)

72 Posted by: teej at September 08, 2019 07:27 PM (gJ3Vg)
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It doesn't add enough to prevent me from being able to control and accurately shoot the gun, without it. That's the point I'm making.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

73 GRIP AND GRIP. WHAT IS GRIP?

Posted by: Retarded TOS hottie brain thief at September 08, 2019 07:32 PM (oS0xz)

74 That's the uvula, ese!

Posted by: Carlos Mencia at September 08, 2019 07:32 PM (NWiLs)

75 47 What is
the logic behind striker fired handguns with no manual safety. I have
read most of the arguments both ways, but I can turn off the safety of
my MP Shield is part of the drawing process with no time loss.

Posted by: Radar at September 08, 2019 07:22 PM (kOzB0)

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It's the same logic as a revolver - one less thing to worry about.

One reason I prefer revolvers for carry is that they are simple and ready to go. No fuss, bang right there on the trigger pull.

That's what appealed me about the PPQ. Bang on demand, no fuss. Why complicate things?

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:34 PM (cfSRQ)

76 Geez, way to derail a thread. Driving volvos.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 07:34 PM (qP61y)

77 Question about the gun feeling uncomfortable in your grip.

Has anyone had an experience with a new shooter where the gun felt uncomfortable, but when an expert improved their grip mechanics, the gun suddenly became comfortable?

(Working with several friends of my daughters that have never even touched a gun before, but I am not an expert.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 08, 2019 07:34 PM (tkyK5)

78 Has anyone had an experience with a new shooter where the gun felt uncomfortable, but when an expert improved their grip mechanics, the gun suddenly became comfortable?

I have not.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2019 07:37 PM (NWiLs)

79 Has anyone had an experience with a new shooter
where the gun felt uncomfortable, but when an expert improved their grip
mechanics, the gun suddenly became comfortable?



(Working with several friends of my daughters that have never even touched a gun before, but I am not an expert.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 08, 2019 07:34 PM (tkyK5)

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No.

I've been able to shoot better as my grip and skill level has improved, but it's still awkward.

Same with people I've taught. If it feels right, it does so immediately.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 07:37 PM (cfSRQ)

80 Okay

Posted by: teej at September 08, 2019 07:38 PM (gJ3Vg)

81 I never open carry but am seldom without a weapon. As Weasel said, no need to make myself a target. If I were to open carry it would be a Smith Model 29 with 44 specials or a CZ75b. Nothing subtle.

Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2019 07:38 PM (bmdz3)

82 What is the logic behind striker fired handguns with no manual safety. I have read most of the arguments both ways, but I can turn off the safety of my M&P Shield is part of the drawing process with no time loss.
Posted by: Radar
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Because a safety is just one more thing to deal with in a high stress situation. I can't imagine how much adrenaline would be pumping through me in a situation where I was sufficiently threatened to have to pull my gun. Yes, you can train past it but why do you need a safety in the first place? Keep your booger hook off the bang switch.

Posted by: Guzalot at September 08, 2019 07:38 PM (M5zJU)

83
Has anyone had an experience with a new shooter where the gun felt uncomfortable, but when an expert improved their grip mechanics, the gun suddenly became comfortable?

(Working with several friends of my daughters that have never even touched a gun before, but I am not an expert.)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 08, 2019 07:34 PM (tkyK5)
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I think I get what you're saying. All guns are generally ergonomic, I think. To me the difference comes when the grip is too small and it feels like my fingers are too long. A slightly beefier grip usually solves the problem for me.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:38 PM (MVjcR)

84 we should all take the Walmart challenge that was poasted this week:
go to Walmart, load the shit out of a shopping cart, then park it randomly, with a note saying this was what you would have bought, if they hadn't gotten stupid on gun rights, and walk away.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 07:13 PM (SL3Nf)

Excellent idea! I shall do that this week in fact.

Thanks Red!

You want better grip strength? Do pull ups.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 08, 2019 07:40 PM (Z+IKu)

85 I carry concealed because nobody needs to know I have a gun and it makes the sheep nervous.

Posted by: Guzalot at September 08, 2019 07:40 PM (M5zJU)

86 Ernst said,

"I suspect the trick to open carry is to dress like a security guard coming off shift."

Heck a few years ago during Christmas sales season, a guy showed up at Walmart looking like an on-duty security guard and picked up their cash bag. It was a pretty big score, but I think his girlfriend helped on the inside.

Open carry your gun AND make a quick $80,000 sounds like a great gig!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 08, 2019 07:41 PM (tkyK5)

87 The new handgun shooters I've worked with generally grip too low. Once they get the web of their hand up high enough, they do much better.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 07:44 PM (qP61y)

88 If only we could sell Seattle metro as a charter city. Maybe to BC. Or (evil smile) to Honduras. After we build the circumvallation wall with viscious guard dogs.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at September 08, 2019 07:44 PM (e1mEI)

89 Weasel. I confess to never having bought a firearm from Buttmart, though I would have on the day of the great evil black rifle banning they had. Yes I was in a Buttmart that very day and they had 3 Colt AR's in the case at a rediculous markdown price. I told them I was headed to housewares to get a plastic tote and would be right back to buy at least one. While I was gone, about 10 minutes, and having decided to buy all 3, they disappeared. A day that will live in infamy. I probably have bought 1K rds of assorted ammo in Buttmarts all over the US since there have been Buttmarts. Yes I remember when there won't none and got along just fine without them. I will continue to deal with my local gubshop gor gubs and buy only gas at Buttmart.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 07:44 PM (UUkQp)

90 PA is open carry, but I never have.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 08, 2019 07:46 PM (r/SK5)

91 Insom mentioned a Hello Kitty AR-15, and I just had to see this:

https://www.cnet.com/news/a-hello-kitty-assault-rifle-that-actually-exists/

I'm more of a Tokidoki gal myself, but I applaud the couple's commitment to the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 08, 2019 07:46 PM (kQs4Y)

92 If Walmart doesn't want folks to open carry in their stores, okay. I can accept that.
If Walmart doesn't want to sell ammo, okay. I can accept that.

What does chap my ass is the CEO virtue signaling to Congress to re-instate the AWB.
I will buy as little as is hmanly possible there.

Posted by: butch at September 08, 2019 07:47 PM (hXu8T)

93 Contrary to this comely and gentrified thread I state that Jimbro incorrect.

Jimbo's test was flawed.
Splinting the little finger forward is completely counter to the dynamics of the hand and gripping.

When gripping, a the hand naturally curls with muscle, ligament and tendon in concert. By artificially restraining the little finger forward the coordination and orientation of the other three fingers is completely askew rendering their function much less than normal.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 07:47 PM (ePWRo)

94 Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 07:44 PM (UUkQp)
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They used to have a regular good deal on Federal 9mm and I'd occasionally buy that going to and from the range, but there are just too many other options available to bother with them anymore. Especially now.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

95 Open vs concealed carry is a Country vs. City thing.

I've open carried when out horse riding in the desert.

I've open carried in the back country where I KNOW there are Mtn Lions around.

I've walked into small town grocery stores on my way home, while carrying, to buy beer.

Would I open carry in a city? No. Its asking for trouble. Not because of anything 'I' would do, but because if you have enough people in one place, statistically at least a FEW of them will be hysterical idiots.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 07:49 PM (NgKpN)

96 Today, I managed to get in a little range work with my elk rifle, a Tikka Lite chambered in 300 WSM. Great shooting rifle, and weighs less than 7 pounds loaded, including the scope. That said, I don't even know why I bother to carry a rifle in the "elk woods", considering that no one in our hunting party has taken a shot at an elk in five straight seasons.

Posted by: Pacos Mojo at September 08, 2019 07:50 PM (pV4s0)

97 93 Contrary to this comely and gentrified thread I state that Jimbro incorrect.

Jimbo's test was flawed.
Splinting the little finger forward is completely counter to the dynamics of the hand and gripping.

When gripping, a the hand naturally curls with muscle, ligament and tendon in concert. By artificially restraining the little finger forward the coordination and orientation of the other three fingers is completely askew rendering their function much less than normal.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 07:47 PM (ePWRo)
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Just FYI - the pic was from an article Jimbro sent and it's linked above.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

98 Don Q
Do you live in Seattle?
That's the exact sentiment I have and I used to love the place.
Now, I live in a small town where, if I ever need to carry in town it'll be more than just a sidearm.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at September 08, 2019 07:51 PM (xdTAL)

99 Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 07:47 PM (ePWRo)

Sorry, be everyone who plays a musical instrument knows that is false.

Its a question of training.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 07:52 PM (NgKpN)

100 I've bought two rifles and a shotgun from the local ButtMart and a metric sh*t ton of ammo, targets, etc.
No more. And I'll tell them why next time.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 07:52 PM (qP61y)

101 Nice to see a bunch of new nics this evening. Welcome everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:52 PM (MVjcR)

102 I've open carried when out horse riding in the desert.
Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 07:49 PM (NgKpN)


Did the horse have a name?

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 08, 2019 07:52 PM (t+qrx)

103 98 Don Q
Do you live in Seattle?
That's the exact sentiment I have and I used to love the place.
Now, I live in a small town where, if I ever need to carry in town it'll be more than just a sidearm.
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at September 08, 2019 07:51 PM (xdTAL)

I live in Northern Mexico, ie California's Central Valley.

But lived everywhere from Colorado, to Virginia, to Florida, to Hawaii (where yes, I open carried at times because of wild pigs).

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 07:53 PM (NgKpN)

104 Weasel - gracias, como siempre, por gubs!


Grump - could you just post those AR component sources in a comment [tinyurl, as needed]?


Weasel - Remington Rand 1911?? Dang. All I have is a set of the bakelite grips from one, bought surplus. Like the look on my 1911 - a pedestrian Springfield Mil-Spec. Actually have switched to the black rubber ones that came with the gun, better fit.


Range. Nyet. Family thing yesterday nixed attending one of the monthly handgun matches ..... which I've been missing more and more because boring, low and declining round counts. Hoping cooler weather/fall will inspire the organizers to return to the glorious old days.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 07:54 PM (QDnY+)

105 Weasel I just sent some pics of an old muzzle loader rifle I'm trying to identify. I forgot to mention it apears to be a little over 30 cal.

Posted by: freakedd at September 08, 2019 07:55 PM (Tnijr)

106 This looks like a pretty good deal on mags for those with a G3 or PTR or Cetme C

http://bit.ly/2UIiEhL

Two mags and pouch and the belt more or less for free.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 07:55 PM (yQpMk)

107 Horde, thanks for the "grip" help. I thought the actual ergonomics were probably the biggest issue.

I think I need a wider range of pistols for the young ladies to try.

I can't afford that now, so I will move on to Plan B. Improve my shooting range to entice more dads & moms to come out and shoot - and bring their weapons so everyone gets to try different guns!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 08, 2019 07:55 PM (tkyK5)

108 I am not a fan of open carry.

Wouldn't do it myself and the people who do it regular always seem a bit fringy to me. Just my observation.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 07:56 PM (ZfRYq)

109 Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 07:54 PM (QDnY+)
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Yeah - there's nothing exotic about the 1911, but it's one of those things I just figured I had to have. You know, to keep the Garand's company in the safe.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

110 I have yet to get to the range with my new (to me) P226.

I did put an endoscope down the barrel and got a cool pic.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 07:57 PM (ZfRYq)

111 I recently learned that my "Georgia Weapons Carry Permit" is a permit to carry either openly or concealed. I had always assumed it was a permit to carry concealed. Weapons can't be carried either or open or concealed on the person without a permit but can be carried either way in a vehicle without a permit. The day may come when I will be carrying openly but it's not here yet.

Posted by: Henry Lee at September 08, 2019 07:57 PM (ZaZvt)

112 Sure, autocorrect did it.

We know you really meant to type was "the penis must be allowed space to join the other fingers... So please get a magazine with a penis extension. Amen"

Apple does this to me all the time.

Posted by: clutch cargo at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (Z1ykJ)

113 Grump - could you just post those AR component sources in a comment [tinyurl, as needed]?


I can, but they are last-one type deals. Some Moron might jump it. Send me an email from a burner at toby928 at yahoo.com.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (yQpMk)

114 I noticed the CMP store isn't listing that inexpensive surplus ammo for the Garand. Without getting into a political discussion, I think the anti 2A will attack through access to ammo. I recently picked up 1,000 150 grain bullets for Garand reloading. Hornady FMJ-BT style. A bonus is I can use the same bullets to reload for 308 and 30-30. (Single shot for the 30-30 since these are spitzer type.)

I load so many cast bullets it seems strange to have FMJ stuff. I do have the ability to cast my own bullets for the Garand that won't lead up the barrel but the jacketed gives some latitude.

Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (bmdz3)

115 105 Weasel I just sent some pics of an old muzzle loader rifle I'm trying to identify. I forgot to mention it apears to be a little over 30 cal.
Posted by: freakedd at September 08, 2019 07:55 PM (Tnijr)
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I'll post it next week and I'm sure someone here will know what it is!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

116 Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 07:47 PM (ePWRo)
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Just FYI - the pic was from an article Jimbro sent and it's linked above.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 07:50 PM (MVjcR)
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An easy real world two part test:

A. Tape your little fingers in a splint as indicated in the pic., then type some. Say, participate here.

B. Curl your little fingers to the palms of your hands and tape them secure. - not sadistically -
Then type as indicated above.

Is there any comfort or stress, or ability to function difference?

Holding the little finger extended while curling the other three is unnatural whether it is touching the grasped object or not. The grip test is flawed.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (ePWRo)

117 I only open carried on the first day it was legal to do so in Texas, oddly enough to buy gas at....you guessed it....Buttmart. I haven't open carried since that first day, but carry concealed everywhere I go. Essentially, I am armed 24 hours a day, 8 of which I'm paid to do. GOD Bless Texas!

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (UUkQp)

118 But lived everywhere from Colorado, to Virginia, to Florida, to Hawaii (where yes, I open carried at times because of wild pigs).
Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 07:53 PM (NgKpN)

So, you've been everywhere, man?
Crossed the desert sand, man?
Breathed the mountain air, man?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

119 Weasel, your dilemma has a solution.

Buy two of each. Put the best (for you) grip or set of stocks on one. Then, to paraphrase a great song,

Shoot, shoot, shoot senor,
Shoot them on the firing line
Shoot, shoot, shoot senor
Shoot them all the time!

When you get nostalgic, look at the ones with the original digital interface.

No need to thank me. Problem solving. It's what I do.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2019 07:59 PM (DMUuz)

120 I've been amused/gladdened by open carry the few times I've seen it, in NV. I can understand the apparent prevailing view that concealed is more better.


Kroger etc. making their request - unless there's some highly unlikely and surprising thing with lots of people open carrying in their stores, and customers complaining - that's obnoxious but perfectly typical of the irresponsible, ignorant, bigoted, cowardly, and small character of corporate and institutional America today.




Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 07:59 PM (QDnY+)

121 110 I have yet to get to the range with my new (to me) P226.

I did put an endoscope down the barrel and got a cool pic.
Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 07:57 PM (ZfRYq)
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Please let us know how you like it. I'm a big fan of Sigs.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

122 Here in TX open carry is allowed except for places with a 30.07 sign. However, I wouldn't personally do so - I like the idea of neither confirming nor denying that I am armed. That being said, I'm good with the option existing, in case a need arises where I need to open carry.

Walmart cut off its nose to spite its face. I remember loading up at Walmart before going to the range in Houston (Top Gun Range - if you are in the area and haven't been, quit waiting for the bloody invite and JUST GO THERE) because, damn the ammo was cheap compared to Cabela's or Academy or other places I had been. And on my way out I picked up a few other things I needed rather than make a separate H-E-B run - hear that, Walmart? That's your operating principle, you morons!

Walmart might THINK they are the only game in town but not anymore. There's amazon, there's other stores in the small town near me (Dollar General is there but I won't set foot in there for reasons of my own.) I can load up on groceries on occasional runs I have been known to make to H-E-Bs in other portions of the state. As for ammo? Lots of options abound.

The way I see it, lots of businesses - big, and the sainted, virtuous small businesses have run me off in the past, and that's fine - if you want to leave my money on the table, no sweat off my balls, as it is often said...

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 08, 2019 08:00 PM (H++7c)

123 Hoping to get to the range this weekend.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 08:01 PM (ZfRYq)

124 121 110 I have yet to get to the range with my new (to me) P226.

I did put an endoscope down the barrel and got a cool pic.
Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 07:57 PM (ZfRYq)
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Please let us know how you like it. I'm a big fan of Sigs.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

I love my Sig P226 TacOps.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 08, 2019 08:01 PM (H++7c)

125

An easy real world two part test:

A. Tape your little fingers in a splint as indicated in the pic., then type some. Say, participate here.

B. Curl your little fingers to the palms of your hands and tape them secure. - not sadistically -
Then type as indicated above.

Is there any comfort or stress, or ability to function difference?

Holding the little finger extended while curling the other three is unnatural whether it is touching the grasped object or not. The grip test is flawed.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (ePWRo)
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Oh, I get what you're saying and don't disagree. Jimbro said he only did a quick search so I don't think he's married to the article.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

126
I am not a fan of open carry.


Posted by: blaster



Me neither.
I prefer it to be a surprise.




Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at September 08, 2019 08:04 PM (4NGC7)

127 I'd tried to post this video before,
A stripped down Sten in case you think it has too many parts.


https://youtu.be/3thJ9Tm2ecU

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2019 08:04 PM (1g7ch)

128
So, you've been everywhere, man?
Crossed the desert sand, man?
Breathed the mountain air, man?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

Well, I've been around the world. TWICE.

6 out of 7 Continents.

5 out of 7 Seas.

Seen the Southern Cross, and the Northern Lights.

So, yeah, I've been around a bit.

Everywhere? No, never made it to Australia.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:04 PM (NgKpN)

129 Grump - gracias, will do.


JTB, I don't cast but wouldn't for the M1 anyway. FMJ is fine. Actually I'm a boring reloader for both M1s, Garand and carbine. Just do the standard load for the carbine, and close to standard/best shootin' for my rifles for the Garand. But that's OK. I reload partly just to save $$$ and ensure supply, works fine.


And the HXP ammo sold out a while ago, last of the major [non-corrosive] M1 surplus food, I think. Not connected to nefarious efforts to infringe/harass via ammo, which are under way and have been for a while, so JTB you're correct about that.


Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 08:05 PM (QDnY+)

130 Oh, and had a thought as I was marinating the steaks.

Open Carry vs Concealed carry comes down to what kind of predator you are worried about.

The Critter predators we get out in the sticks.

or the Human predator you have in the city.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:05 PM (NgKpN)

131 In honor of y'all whining about the pinky hanging off the pistol, I've just swapped out the H&K USP Compact for the Para Ordinance P-10 "Warthog" as my EDC.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 08, 2019 08:06 PM (lD3vL)

132 Howdy, Horde! Just spent two (almost) weeks in VA, except got to run away from the storm. So, no shooting yet for me since I got back, as I'm rebuilding a "new" to me Win10 beast and this poor 10 year old wheezer is to be consigned to the trash heap.

Now to read the post and comments!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 08, 2019 08:06 PM (gMngZ)

133 Hornady brass, at least in the '.308 family' is nowhere near Norma quality, according to my rapidly coalescing opinion. Anyone care to disconcur?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2019 08:06 PM (DMUuz)

134 Crossed the desert sand, man?
Breathed the mountain air, man?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

Well, I've been around the world. TWICE.

6 out of 7 Continents.

5 out of 7 Seas.

Seen the Southern Cross, and the Northern Lights.

So, yeah, I've been around a bit.

Everywhere? No, never made it to Australia.
Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:04 PM (NgKpN)

Damn, dude. I haven't fuckin' been anywhere.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2019 08:07 PM (NWiLs)

135 Oh, btw, my Walmart is the one closest to NRA HQ.

It is of a size that they never carried firearms.

They were during the Obama days bare of 22LR and many times 9mm and 5.56

Since Trump they've had good stockage. As of Friday their ammo cabinet was bare of any ammo you might want. Except some overpriced box of 9mm. Not sure what made it special perhaps they were gold not lead.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 08:07 PM (ZfRYq)

136 I've used Talon grips on my smaller autos. And it makes a big difference.

My XD9 and CZ P07 both have good grips out of the box, really locking in my grip without being painful.

I don't have a ton of grip strength, which I regret but....tech jobs. I have been experimenting with different grips to see how it affects accuracy. And I'm...starting to re-think the whole 'high, thumbs stacked' grip. I'm finding a lot of my low/left groups happen with that grip. While if I lower my thumb to fit in the groove engineered into the group, my groups are tighter and my shots are...well, still too low but they aren't low AND left.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 08:07 PM (xJa6I)

137 Well tgeres some open carry here and I meet some nice folks that way. Like I do with my NRA sticker on my laptops when I'm in a coffee shop. I've accidentally open carried with a shirt that rides up. So what. I've been in been in places where there have been 3 armed around the restaurant. I felt secure. So whatev....is what I'm saying.

And thanks weasel.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 08, 2019 08:07 PM (rxS4W)

138 If I'd known you were posting firearms-related exhibits from county fairs, I would have asked permission from all my 4-H students to post photos of their award-winning displays!! Next year...

Posted by: Pat* at September 08, 2019 08:08 PM (2pX/F)

139 Damn, dude. I haven't fuckin' been anywhere.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2019 08:07 PM (NWiLs)

USN Retired.

And always chose commands where I'd be traveling.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:08 PM (NgKpN)

140 Range Report? Why, yes, I'm glad you asked.

9 mm day. Trying to work on a couple of things previously alluded to. Beretta 92FS, Ruger SR 9 C, S W MP 9C and G32 with 9mm barrel.
No warm up. From standing, sitting, walking. Draw and Tueller drill.
Shooting for survival instead of small groups.
Takeaway, you have to practice the safety off piece. Except with the Glock. Beretta maybe a nice military carry, but that decocker cant be smoothly flipped unless your thumb is unnaturally long. Ruger ok. SW better. Glock best. If you keep booger hook off, etc.
The speed of encounter in that vid brings things into focus.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:09 PM (qP61y)

141 131
In honor of y'all whining about the pinky hanging off the pistol, I've
just swapped out the HK USP Compact for the Para Ordinance P-10
"Warthog" as my EDC.



Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 08, 2019 08:06 PM (lD3vL)

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I often carry a Taurus 85 Total Titanum. The grip is tiny - so much so that the pinky tucks under it.

Yet I am very accurate with it. Go figure.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:09 PM (cfSRQ)

142 133 Hornady brass, at least in the '.308 family' is nowhere near Norma quality, according to my rapidly coalescing opinion. Anyone care to disconcur?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2019 08:06 PM (DMUuz)
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I really haven't reloaded much of either type. For competition I've always used Lapua brass.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

143 As for the open carry/concealed carry....I mostly carry concealed. But I do like living in a state where, in theory, if I need to go around without my gun concealed I won't go to jail. Probably.

Usually I'm open carrying when working in the back yard or if taking the trash out and don't want to bother with a jacket.

Tactically, concealed carry is better. People may very well assume I have a gun....and they'd be right...but better to make people wonder.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 08:11 PM (xJa6I)

144 Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 07:58 PM (ePWRo)
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Oh, I get what you're saying and don't disagree. Jimbro said he only did a quick search so I don't think he's married to the article.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:04 PM (MVjcR)
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An easier test:
1.
_Extend your hand to a shooting position (not all the way - just almost)
_With your weak hand hold the little finger extended then curl the other three back.

2 Extend the hand same then with the weak hand hold the little finger to the palm (easy).
Now curl the other three.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 08:11 PM (ePWRo)

145 138 If I'd known you were posting firearms-related exhibits from county fairs, I would have asked permission from all my 4-H students to post photos of their award-winning displays!! Next year...
Posted by: Pat* at September 08, 2019 08:08 PM (2pX/F)
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Sure! Send 'em along!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

146 i w*rked for the local Kroger chain here in #Failifornia, Raplhs, at the chain HQ for about 6 months.

it was a long, unpleasant 6 months and it came away with 2 fundamentals.

i refuse to shop at their stores
and
the next time the grocery store employee union goes on strike, i WILL honor their picket lines.

Kroger treats their employees like shit.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 08:12 PM (SL3Nf)

147 When I said I don't open carry, that was in populated areas. If I was camping or active in the woods, there would be a revolver on my belt.

Gun writer John Taffin talks about the "PPP", the Perfect Packin' Pistol for woods carry. Generally, he likes a 4" barrel revolver, usually single action, in at least 357 magnum but 44 or 45 caliber was even better.

Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2019 08:13 PM (bmdz3)

148 I've accidentally open carried with a shirt that rides up.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob

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LOL. A woman behind me in a deli once taped me on the shoulder and whispered that my shirt was riding on top of my not very concealed M1911.

She did ask me if it was a Colt so there was that and we had a nice chat.

My state is an 'open carry' area but hardly anyone does it. I don't.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2019 08:13 PM (Y4EXg)

149 Silver bullets. That's werewolf country!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2019 08:13 PM (Dh1wo)

150 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 08, 2019 08:07 PM (rxS4W)
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You bet, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

151 Here's a not last-one sale at Midway that might interest people.

http://bit.ly/2UIP0cn

I was eyeballing the 10" stripped billet upper for $76.39.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 08:15 PM (yQpMk)

152 7 When I said I don't open carry, that was in populated areas. If I was camping or active in the woods, there would be a revolver on my belt.

Gun writer John Taffin talks about the "PPP", the Perfect Packin' Pistol for woods carry. Generally, he likes a 4" barrel revolver, usually single action, in at least 357 magnum but 44 or 45 caliber was even better.
Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2019 08:13 PM (bmdz3)
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I carry a .357 at the farm. I really, really like the chest rig I bought recently from GunfighterINC. It's exactly what I was looking for.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:15 PM (u/o2C)

153 Forgot about open carrying on the border in AZ years ago where the ramrod asked if I was armed. I said 'Yep, 1911.'. He said 'Brother, this is Arizona, you can open carry.' , Like most of you I do open carry in the swamp when hunting, either a Ruger Sp101 or GP100, sometimes a Glock 10mm, because hogs. And good people, if you buy lots of ammo, I suggest SG Ammo in Stillwater OK. They offer good product, excellent service, and are scrupulously honest. As for gubs, Buttmart won't be missed. Those aholes took a knee on the 2A field and got fired from the league as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 08:16 PM (UUkQp)

154 speaking of reloading, i'm looking into reloading 416 Barrett for herself's M-99, now that it has a sight.

the torque wrench arrives tomorrow, then it's off to bore sight the scope and see if we need to break in the barrel.

i got a bore scope too, which i will fo an eval on for the gub thread, if it w*rks as advertised.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 08:16 PM (SL3Nf)

155 Anyway, range report and I'll try to keep to short

Was doing more accuracy training after the one-handed drills caused some...deterioration. Last week was my CZ P07, this week was the XD9.

And I'm noticing that I'm really pushing my shots low. Consistently. IF....IF I pull slow, moving only my trigger finger, the bullets go into the middle of the target like magic. But most of the time, I'm....dunno, consistently flinching? I mean, it's really consistent. Frustrating.

But groups were good. Some were really good, one hole groups a 7 yards or a 5 shots grouped like dots on dice. Others were a bit wider but on the whole....the XD9 is a very good pistol.

I'm just a little pissed at how I'm shooting it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 08:16 PM (xJa6I)

156 By law Massachusetts of all places is an Open Carry state. No one of course beyond uniformed security actually does it through due to also being a May Issue state where a Chief of Police can revoke or restrict your license (yes, there are such things as "no carry" Licenses to Carry in Massachusetts) at any time for anything they can get a judge to rubber stamp as a "public safety" reason like a t-shirt they dislike.

Posted by: Oh no! Not the bees! at September 08, 2019 08:17 PM (N5dam)

157 I carry concealed here in town, as does Giggles. It makes me happy, I'm not advertising and it will come as a surprise to the perp if and when we have to draw. And neither of us want that, at all. I open carry on the property, if out of sight of the cabin. Or if hunting.

A neighbor put his rifle down once to creep up and peep over the rimrock. he got a weird feeling, like being watched. He was... good sized lion was stalking him. he scooted real fast to his rifle and made noise and stuff. says he won't ever go without a firearm ON him when out and about ever again.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 08, 2019 08:17 PM (gMngZ)

158 An easier test:

1.

_Extend your hand to a shooting position (not all the way - just almost)

_With your weak hand hold the little finger extended then curl the other three back.



2 Extend the hand same then with the weak hand hold the little finger to the palm (easy).

Now curl the other three.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 08:11 PM (ePWRo)

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Is this how we find the uvula?

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:18 PM (cfSRQ)

159 And good people, if you buy lots of ammo, I suggest SG Ammo in Stillwater OK. They offer good product, excellent service, and are scrupulously honest. As for gubs, Buttmart won't be missed. Those aholes took a knee on the 2A field and got fired from the league as far as I'm concerned.

Seconded.

I buy....a reasonable amount of ammo. And SGAmmo is consistently cheap. Not always cheapest, but they do well.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 08:18 PM (xJa6I)

160 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 08:16 PM (xJa6I)
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It might be your pinky!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:18 PM (u/o2C)

161 A few years ago I started having numbness in little finger and somewhat in the ring finger of both hands.
Having had some nasty issues in the past with my neck I self-diagnosed a pinched nerve in my neck.
Lo-and-behold the nerve conduction tests came back as no problems in the neck area.
A referral to a neurosurgeon discovered pinched ulnar nerves in both arms. The damage was irreversable and could eventually result in the little fingers being inflexibly curled onto the palms of my hands. The good news was that surgery could be done to "release" the nerves and further damage would be prevented.
The surgeries worked and I am happy to say that, although, the mild tingling and numbness continues the problem has not worsened and, over the years, the nasty scars up near my elbows eventually faded.
I have no appreciable loss of strength in those fingers.

Incidentally, the power on a sword stroke, using a katana, comes from the little finger of the left hand. Did you ever wonder why a traditional yakuza apology involves chopping off the little finger of the left hand at the first joint and presenting it to the offended party?

Oh, and my blue-eyed strawberry-blonde brother did not get the ulnar nerve surgery and one of his little fingers is pressed forever (short of amputation) onto the palm of his hand. It is bothersome and gets in his way.

The longer you wait the more irreversible damage occurs.



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Posted by: Waepnedmann at September 08, 2019 08:19 PM (OcHFb)

162 comment drift strikes again: the reason to reload for the 416 is that Barrett factory ammo is 8.90/round, and they're out more often than not. like right now.

primed brass from them is 5.35/ea and new projos are 1.99. used ones are 1.25

figure my labor is free and the only variable is the cost of powder. i've already contacted the projo maker for load data, and am trying to see if anyone else caries the unfired Ruag brass.

we shall see.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 08:20 PM (SL3Nf)

163
I buy....a reasonable amount of ammo. And SGAmmo is consistently cheap. Not always cheapest, but they do well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 08:18 PM (xJa6I)
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I've used them too with a similar good experience.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:20 PM (u/o2C)

164 last winter saw lots of open carry in and around Mesa AZ. Most noticeably cowboy style. Thought several times in crowded stores how easy it would be to drag that handgub out from behind ... I'll stick to my pocket pistol, thanks. Legal here in AR but seldom seen in my area.

Posted by: WingNut at September 08, 2019 08:21 PM (CMiMm)

165 Godammit, I just swallowed a bug. I made a cup of coffee to go with my cigar and it got under the lid and I took a big swig,

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:22 PM (u/o2C)

166 funny you mention SG Ammo.... i just got an e-mail from them today.

looked like decent pricing to me.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 08:22 PM (SL3Nf)

167
Thumbs up, Eromero.






T

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:22 PM (qP61y)

168 Godammit, I just swallowed a bug
PROTEIN!

Posted by: Panhandler at September 08, 2019 08:23 PM (S/rwf)

169 160 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 08:16 PM (xJa6I)
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It might be your pinky!
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:18 PM (u/o2C)

You may be right!

One of the reasons the Nurse out-shoots me with our glock 42's is my pinky dangles off the end. But it's still pretty shootable for a pocket pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 08:23 PM (xJa6I)

170
McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 08, 2019 08:17 PM (gMngZ)

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african lion or one of ours?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 08:23 PM (SL3Nf)

171 Regarding grips: Sig ships their 1911 with some excellent grips. They're about the texture of an epoxy/sand coating.

I liked them enough to order a pair of those grips for my Kimber.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 08:24 PM (WEBkv)

172 I buy....a reasonable amount of ammo. And SGAmmo is consistently cheap. Not always cheapest, but they do well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 08:18 PM (xJa6I)
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I've used them too with a similar good experience.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:20 PM (u/o2C)



Thirded. They are good folk too.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 08:24 PM (yQpMk)

173 'bama has weird laws for carrying a knife. No part of the sheath nor handle shall be covered by the bearer's clothing. i.e., a Kabar shoved down your boot or the handle covered up by your t-shirt while on your belt equates to concealed carrying a knife.

How the heck else are ya gonna tote a knife large enough to dress a hog or render a snake, er, headless while standing on its neck?

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 08, 2019 08:24 PM (VcFUs)

174 I need one of those official thingys that state...... "this is my emotional support pistol, please do not pet."

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 08, 2019 08:24 PM (myjNJ)

175 >165 Godammit, I just swallowed a bug. I made a cup of coffee to go with my cigar and it got under the lid and I took a big swig,
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:22



Keto Koffee

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 08, 2019 08:25 PM (uDh3k)

176 I liked them enough to order a pair of those grips for my Kimber.
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 08:24 PM (WEBkv)
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They are nice, aren't they?

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:25 PM (u/o2C)

177 The last photo marked ' C ' appears to be a cheat by adding the ring finger.

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 08, 2019 08:25 PM (WWS2B)

178 Hey what are all these bottle caps and pennys doing down here?

Posted by: the bug at September 08, 2019 08:28 PM (Tnijr)

179 166
funny you mention SG Ammo.... i just got an e-mail from them today.

looked like decent pricing to me.


Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 08:22 PM (SL3Nf)

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I find them particularly good for the obscure calibers I feel compelled to collect.

Speaking of which, still waiting for that Broomhandle to get back. Any day now...

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:28 PM (cfSRQ)

180 With Christmas coming up, we could do a thread on good internet suppliers if you want. Email me your faves with a link and why you like them.

Don't include Buttmart.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:28 PM (u/o2C)

181 I made a cup of coffee to go with my cigar...

I just finished off a nice Dominican Cohiba with some wine and cheese. My "after dinner" treat.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 08, 2019 08:28 PM (3H9h1)

182 Is this how we find the uvula?

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:18 PM (cfSRQ)
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You take a right at Utopia.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 08:28 PM (ePWRo)

183 Was it one of those little yellow wasps, Weasel? Drank one of those out of a beer can once, youch.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 08:28 PM (UUkQp)

184 178 Hey what are all these bottle caps and pennys doing down here?
Posted by: the bug at September 08, 2019 08:28 PM (
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Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 08, 2019 08:29 PM (WWS2B)

185 Brought the Bewalski 'ettes to the range today for their first outing after my surgery. Smash sez she needs more range time, 15 year old junior-ette is all meh over over her 10" shot group at ten yards.

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 08, 2019 08:29 PM (VcFUs)

186 183 Was it one of those little yellow wasps, Weasel? Drank one of those out of a beer can once, youch.
Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 08:28 PM (UUkQp)
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Don't think so, but whatever it was, it was big. Yuck.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:30 PM (u/o2C)

187

I've always wondered why some rubbery grips cover all parts of the grip except the palm.

I get the "better grip" argument; the Hogue grips I have practically weld my hands to my current weapon of choice ... and they also cover everything, so there is some cushioning in all directions.

But there are other rubbery grips, like on the 1911 in the photo. Why not thin-down the sides and put a .125" strip on the grip safety and also on the grip?

Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2019 08:30 PM (FlRtG)

188 Oh, yeah. In none of my draws did I think about, worry about or notice an accuracy issue regarding my pinky finger.
I was trying to simulate high stress and reversion to training.
My 2 pesos.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:31 PM (qP61y)

189 Accidently scarfed down a stinkbug earlier this year.

Though I was gonna' die.

Talk about some stinky shit....

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 08, 2019 08:34 PM (3H9h1)

190 If you want to increase grip strength, buy a P64. You have to hold it pretty darn firmly because of the snappy nature of the Makarov round and it takes some practice to be able to squeeze hard with the three little fingers and still have a loose trigger finger muscle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 08:34 PM (yQpMk)

191
But there are other rubbery grips, like on the 1911 in the photo. Why not thin-down the sides and put a .125" strip on the grip safety and also on the grip?
Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2019 08:30 PM (FlRtG)
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The wrap around in the pic are Hogues too. I don't really seem to notice the back strap not being rubbery.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:34 PM (MVjcR)

192 Is it really autocorrect or is it an ongoing effort to mangle and manipulate those who speak of taboo subjects.

Or perhaps they just target individuals? Most likely a combination of both.

Once we thought the internet would bring us knowledge and wisdom. Turns out it brought us ignorance and slavery.

These new in home voice recognition gadgets will soon bring us to the point where cash is refused at a point of sale and there will be no redress.
You will either have the gadget to deal with the other gadgets or you will starve and be unable to utilize your money. If you even have a job any longer.

It's not paranoia of the aluminum foil brigade. It's already here just not fully in charge yet.

The Civil War may be one of demographics. The fighting will take place on the borders of the places people are trying to leave and the places they're trying to get into.

Like the old Berlin Wall.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 08:35 PM (cxIsI)

193 Godammit, I just swallowed a bug.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:22 PM


Before we can offer treatment opinions, we're going to need more details.

Are you sure it was a bug? All bugs are insects, but most insects are not bugs.

Could it have been a juvenile giant huntsman spider, perhaps escaped from AtC's breeding/development programme?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2019 08:35 PM (DMUuz)

194 I may have mentioned this before but on my match rifles I use skateboard tape.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

195 173 'bama has weird laws for carrying a knife. No part of the sheath nor handle shall be covered by the bearer's clothing. i.e., a Kabar shoved down your boot or the handle covered up by your t-shirt while on your belt equates to concealed carrying a knife.

How the heck else are ya gonna tote a knife large enough to dress a hog or render a snake, er, headless while standing on its neck?
Posted by: BifBewalski at September 08, 2019 08:24 PM (VcFUs)

Calif has some weird code too.

Sheath Knives are not to be worn, and they will nail you for it in the city.

But SWORDS? AOK as long as in the scabbard.

I think its due to swords still being a legal part of military dress uniforms, or it could just be the usual politicians can't be consistent thing.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:36 PM (NgKpN)

196 Don't think so, but whatever it was, it was big. Yuck.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:30 PM (u/o2C)


Felt it on the uvula?

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 08, 2019 08:37 PM (t+qrx)

197 192 Is it really autocorrect or is it an ongoing effort to mangle and manipulate those who speak of taboo subjects.

Or perhaps they just target individuals? Most likely a combination of both.

Once we thought the internet would bring us knowledge and wisdom. Turns out it brought us ignorance and slavery.

These new in home voice recognition gadgets will soon bring us to the point where cash is refused at a point of sale and there will be no redress.
You will either have the gadget to deal with the other gadgets or you will starve and be unable to utilize your money. If you even have a job any longer.

It's not paranoia of the aluminum foil brigade. It's already here just not fully in charge yet.

The Civil War may be one of demographics. The fighting will take place on the borders of the places people are trying to leave and the places they're trying to get into.

Like the old Berlin Wall.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 08:35 PM (cxIsI)
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It was mostly me having my head up my ass.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

198 I was bit on the thigh by some kind of tomatoe bug.
Looked it up and it looked a lot like that Chagas bug.

It made about a two inch rose and alternated between wasp sting to itching. Went to the doc and said I'd been bitten by a Chagas bug - he said aw pshaw.

That sucker had its wings extended and its snoot stuck in me. Damn

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 08:38 PM (ePWRo)

199 As for conceal versus open, I had the less than pleasurable experience of traveling to VA early this year. (took mom to see my dying sister) My permits are good in all the states I carried through, but, by the time I hit VA, I was good and tired of CCW, because 80 degrees with 120 percent humidity was tough to deal with.

And I regularly CCW in 100 degree heat here in the Valley.

Stupid humidity.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 08:38 PM (WEBkv)

200 196 Don't think so, but whatever it was, it was big. Yuck.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:30 PM (u/o2C)

Felt it on the uvula?
Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 08, 2019 08:37 PM (t+qrx)
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Right before it went down.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

201 @Blake

Common sense humidity control

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 08, 2019 08:39 PM (VcFUs)

202 Arbalest @187- I'm sitting here holding a Hogue slip-on finger groove grip. It was on a G19 Gen 2 I acquired and I took it off. If you are at the TXMoME, you will probably see lots of carry gubs with lots of pinky options, as we place a high value on diversity. Anyway the Gen 2 had no Glock factory finger grooves (just like the Gen 5's don't). Personally I like the Glock finger grooves because gorilla hands.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 08:39 PM (UUkQp)

203 Swallowed a bug?

Slap a hot iron to it.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 08:40 PM (ZfRYq)

204
I think its due to swords still being a legal
part of military dress uniforms, or it could just be the usual
politicians can't be consistent thing.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:36 PM (NgKpN)

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Michigan used to have a ban on switchblades. The only people who could lawfully own a spring-assisted folding knife were people with one hand.

It got repealed not that long ago. The State Police testified that they had noticed zero trend on these items as murder weapons and opined that it must have been a panic over West Side Story or something.

Bunches of teenagers, singing and dancing around with knives - those were better times.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

205 Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 08:38 PM (WEBkv)

clearly due to Global Warmering.

Ergo, you should pay the left an indulgence!

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:40 PM (NgKpN)

206 More range thoughts. Only 5 rounds per mag. Means required mag changes for tueller drill. Helps increase stress level and familiarity with manual of arms.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:41 PM (qP61y)

207 They are nice, aren't they?
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:25 PM (u/o2C)
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Yep.

As for bug swallowing, I was checking to see if some crackers mom had were stale and I didn't notice there were bugs/flies crawling around inside the unopened package and I took a bite of one of the crackers.

Yuck.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 08:41 PM (WEBkv)

208 Right before it went down.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

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Take a shot of whiskey.

No sense making the bug suffer.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:41 PM (cfSRQ)

209 'Could it have been a juvenile giant huntsman spider, '

No i'm more of a Sanford kind of bug.

Posted by: the bug at September 08, 2019 08:41 PM (Tnijr)

210 Almost posted the whole thread again.

197 192 Is it really autocorrect or is it an ongoing effort to mangle and manipulate those who speak of taboo subjects.

Or perhaps they just target individuals? Most likely a combination of both.


It seems intent on one not using certain words necessitating correcting more than once.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 08:41 PM (ePWRo)

211 It got repealed not that long ago. The State Police testified that they had noticed zero trend on these items as murder weapons and opined that it must have been a panic over West Side Story or something.

Bunches of teenagers, singing and dancing around with knives - those were better times.
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

/starts to sing

Maria! I just F'd a Girl named
Maria!
And suddenly I knew
That we were going to screw
againnnnnn

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:42 PM (NgKpN)

212 I'm a brass scrounger from way back, stuff I find abandoned at the range, once fired brass at gun shows and swap meets and so forth. At first it was to save money. Then it bacame a game to recondition the cases. But when I buy new I look for sales on Starline brass. I've found their stuff to be a great value for the quality and for general use. It's not Lapua (what is?) but it's good brass.

This comment due to Weasel's link in the post.

Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2019 08:42 PM (bmdz3)

213 Yep.

As for bug swallowing, I was checking to see if some crackers mom had were stale and I didn't notice there were bugs/flies crawling around inside the unopened package and I took a bite of one of the crackers.

Yuck.
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 08:41 PM (WEBkv)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

214 I saw Ulnar Digits open for Badfinger at the Remington Theater in Branson in 1974.

(Do we do that on the Gun Thread?)

Posted by: Iowa Bob at September 08, 2019 08:44 PM (bjCNA)

215 Open carry vs. concealed carry. To me this is really not much of an issue.

When I carry my gun concealed it give me the best chance of survival in all situations that I can think of.
When I am concealed, am one of the crowd. No one is looking pointing at me "Wow he has a gun" and any potential bad people who are set on causing violence, will target me first. (I will concede that open carry could cause someone to think twice about a confrontation) but they have the element of surprise and can make the first move on me.
Unless I am one of the first targeted (unluck of the draw in most recent shooter cases). , I will have an opportunity to react

Posted by: Picric at September 08, 2019 08:44 PM (nonGu)

216 206
More range thoughts. Only 5 rounds per mag. Means required mag changes
for tueller drill. Helps increase stress level and familiarity with
manual of arms.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:41 PM (qP61y)

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A public range near here (Moron endorsed!) has a six-round maximum per mag. I don't mind for exactly the reason you mention. Loading and unloading drills are great.

I also find it forces you to keep acquiring the target, so it's more realistic than simply getting a good sight alignment and plinking away.

Even on other ranges, I rarely load more than 10 rounds.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:44 PM (cfSRQ)

217 Hopefully it wasn't a spider. Those things can mess with your digestive tract something fierce.

Posted by: a lady who swallowed a fly, don't ask me why at September 08, 2019 08:44 PM (Tnijr)

218
This comment due to Weasel's link in the post.
Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2019 08:42 PM (bmdz3)
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Agree on Starline for handgun calibers. I've used a ton of it.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:45 PM (MVjcR)

219 201 @Blake
Common sense humidity control

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 08, 2019 08:39 PM (VcFUs)


On humidity: DampRid

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 08:45 PM (ePWRo)

220 Sorry to go O/T, but I don't see an open thread.

I'm listening to Dave Rubin's interview with Tulsi Gabbard (live on YouTube).

I would not vote for her, but I'm quite impressed. She seems thoughtful and reasonable, and not crazy.

Plus Rubin is a good interviewer so you are actually able to find out what her plans, beliefs and values are.

I also like how she speaks. She has a nice soothing voice.

Before anyone yells about this, I'm allowed to appreciate people I disagree with and don't have to hate them.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 08:45 PM (9hauA)

221 217 Hopefully it wasn't a spider. Those things can mess with your digestive tract something fierce.
Posted by: a lady who swallowed a fly, don't ask me why at September 08, 2019 08:44 PM (Tnijr)
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If I'm not here next Sunday you'll know what happened.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

222
Maria! I just F'd a Girl named

Maria!

And suddenly I knew

That we were going to screw

againnnnnn





Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:42 PM (NgKpN)

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Somewhere....
There's a range for us.
Ammo and a range for us.
Ear protection and open air,
Waits for us,
Somewhere.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:47 PM (cfSRQ)

223 Say what you will about Hi-Point pistols, they do have large grips. I have the .45 and it's heavy but fits good and is very comfortable to shoot. Yeah that blow back will disturb you aiming but that's okay as the weight will bring it back on battery quite well and absorbs the shock so it doesn't bother you hand.

One thing I did do was get the carbine in .45 also and that's just insane firing a pistol caliber with a carbine length firing grip is just like shooting bb's.

I understand as a collector you'd want to keep the orig. gear to maintain historical value and such.

For me a firearm is like one of my screwdrivers. I buy them for the fit and function and if they're not right then I either get another or change the one I have till it works the way I want it to.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 08:47 PM (cxIsI)

224 LOL. A woman behind me in a deli once taped me on the shoulder and whispered that my shirt was riding on top of my not very concealed M1911.

She did ask me if it was a Colt so there was that and we had a nice chat.

My state is an 'open carry' area but hardly anyone does it. I don't.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2019 08:13 PM (Y4EXg)

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Sounds like a nice gal.

More importantly, did you get her number?

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 08:47 PM (WEBkv)

225 AH Lloyd. But mostly because I am a cheap bastard and it keeps from just doing mag dumps.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:49 PM (qP61y)

226
Before anyone yells about this, I'm allowed to appreciate people I disagree with and don't have to hate them.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 08:45 PM (9hauA)
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Hi chique! You're allowed to appreciate anything you like here. Except Buttmart, that is.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

227 225 AH Lloyd. But mostly because I am a cheap bastard and it keeps from just doing mag dumps.
Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:49 PM (qP61y)
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Once in a while, during a stage run shooting IDPA, I'll do a mag dump on the last target.

Just because.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 08:50 PM (WEBkv)

228 These new in home voice recognition gadgets will soon bring us to the
point where cash is refused at a point of sale and there will be no
redress.

You will either have the gadget to deal with the other gadgets or
you will starve and be unable to utilize your money. If you even have a
job any longer.



Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 08:35 PM (cxIsI)

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the early side effects are amusing: stopped to buy two notebooks for the BORS instruction manual. herself made two copies, one with holes on the right, the with holes on the left, so you could use the back of the previous page to write notes, etc.

got two, one blue for the left, and black for the right

thirtyish guy rang them up as i chatted with someone i kinda know, then he said, "It's waiting for your card".... i was confused, then realized he was talking about paying.

since the only "card" i have is mine, and that's where the VA beer money goes, no way in hell am i wasting that money on stupid books, so i handed him a 20 out of the grocery money i get each week to run the house, this being a "house" expense.

i continue to chat with my "friend" winding up the convo as he counts out a stack of ones, with some coins.

being of sound mind, i double checked to make sure i wasn't accidentally shorted.

he'd given me 20 singles, so i actually made a profit on the purchase.

they don't teach these people *anything* these days. there's a young man, the son of the owner at a local butcher store we frequent. i've been teaching him how to count change back the old fashioned way. Dad is amused and Granddad is pleased, and boy do i have a story for him the next time i stop by.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 08:50 PM (SL3Nf)

229
I understand as a collector you'd want to keep the orig. gear to maintain historical value and such.

For
me a firearm is like one of my screwdrivers. I buy them for the fit and
function and if they're not right then I either get another or change
the one I have till it works the way I want it to.


Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 08:47 PM (cxIsI)

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If you want the best of both worlds, do a rebuild of an older piece. I built my C96 out of spare parts, so I'm free to fully recondition and re-blue it.

If I ever sell it, it will look great and I'll tell buyers that it's something they can shoot and enjoy without worrying about wrecking its value.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:50 PM (cfSRQ)

230 >
Before anyone yells about this, I'm allowed to appreciate people I disagree with and don't have to hate them.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 08:45 PM (9hauA)



No yelling here. She has impressed me as well.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 08, 2019 08:51 PM (uDh3k)

231 Hi Weasel!

Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 08:52 PM (9hauA)

232 225
AH Lloyd. But mostly because I am a cheap bastard and it keeps from just doing mag dumps.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:49 PM (qP61y)

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That's the other reason I rarely load more than 10 rounds.

That ammo ain't free.

Revolvers are nice because they force you to economize.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)

233 I don't go to the range. Have my own setup out my front door. Occasionally take a few on my 2nd story veranda

Posted by: Sock Monkey...accountant in recovery at September 08, 2019 08:53 PM (GF84D)

234 Before anyone yells about this, I'm allowed to appreciate people I disagree with and don't have to hate them.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 08:45 PM (9hauA)

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There's a reason she's being blackballed, and it ain't because she's crazy.

It's because she's *sane.*

She's wrong about a lot of things, but not visibly unhinged, which is nice.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:54 PM (cfSRQ)

235
202 Eromero - Unfortunately, the notice of the event was too short for me. I'll be in Central Texas at Christmas.


In other news, and for everyone's files, concerning "carry" (and I think I got this from the side bar here, but mentioning it again seems useful):

Four years after allowing universal "concealed carry" law, Maine rated the safest state in the nation for crime

By Thomas Lifson September 5, 2019

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yypd6mjf

Link is to https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/
... with more HTML

Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2019 08:54 PM (FlRtG)

236 I've never 'openly' carried although when I go to visit my brother in Indy, who lives in one of the worst neighborhoods in that city, I carry my 1911 on a hip holster and cover it with my shirt. Okay, somewhat cover it with my shirt. The print is unmistakable. Trust me, it's one of those neighborhoods where you kinda sorta want them to know you're armed.

Usually, though, I keep my little Seecamp concealed when running around in my little Mayberry-like town. I sometimes carry my S&W Airweight snubby on my hip, but it's snug against my body and you wouldn't know it was there.

My state (Indiana) allows open carry but I carry concealed partly because I usually don't want to let people know I'm armed and partly because I don't want anyone to feel discomfited.

Posted by: troyriser at September 08, 2019 08:54 PM (mSO8Y)

237 Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd

AH, which model do you have, a Bolo or a Model 30?

Posted by: Panhandler at September 08, 2019 08:54 PM (S/rwf)

238 231 Hi Weasel!
Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 08:52 PM (9hauA)
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Nice to have you here again! While I agree I'd never vote for her, I do appreciate people who are grounded in their approach to matters and at least have thought their way through issues and have some basis for their opinion.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:55 PM (MVjcR)

239 Open carry while mowing one's Texas Gulf Coast lawn in the heat of summer is completely understandable.

And lends quite a bit more weight to: "Get off my lawn!", to the youngsters.



/snrk


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 08, 2019 08:55 PM (QzJWU)

240 233 I don't go to the range. Have my own setup out my front door. Occasionally take a few on my 2nd story veranda
Posted by: Sock Monkey...accountant in recovery at September 08, 2019 08:53 PM (GF84D)
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Range = shooting place!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

241 Wait, I thought finger / ergo grips were the bain of every gun forum? They seemed to be shit upon only slightly than 9mm striker fired pistols.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 08, 2019 08:56 PM (DrqHq)

242 Before anyone yells about this, I'm allowed to appreciate people I disagree with and don't have to hate them.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 08:45 PM (9hauA)


I think that's a good practice. You should be able to learn from others even if they're the opposition.

Posted by: Emmie at September 08, 2019 08:56 PM (i/wJA)

243 Don't buy ammo any more, but will add my reco for SG Ammo in OK. Used to buy a lot from them.


Will repeat one I've mentioned before.


ammoseek.com


For finding best prices, and/or obscure/hard to find calibers.


It has reloading, and even magazine search, as well.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 08:56 PM (QDnY+)

244
AH, which model do you have, a Bolo or a Model 30?

Posted by: Panhandler at September 08, 2019 08:54 PM (S/rwf)

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M1930. None of the serial numbers match. I'm having a liner inserted in the barrel because the rifling was totally gone.

Should be back from the shop any day now...

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:57 PM (cfSRQ)

245 OK, Weasel, weekly uncalled for question on future threads: Have you done holsters yet? I'm thinking of adding to my wallet carry LCP with an IWB for the MP 9 C.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:57 PM (qP61y)

246 --------
Range = shooting place!
Posted by: Weasel

I stand humbly corrected and thanks Rhomboid

Posted by: Sock Monkey...accountant in recovery at September 08, 2019 08:59 PM (GF84D)

247 245 OK, Weasel, weekly uncalled for question on future threads: Have you done holsters yet? I'm thinking of adding to my wallet carry LCP with an IWB for the MP 9 C.
Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:57 PM (qP61y)
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No, but I have been thinking about that. There is a brand I use (Garrett) that I like a lot. Kydex with a leather lining.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

248 Rubin just got off his month long hiatus, and the last thing he heard about Epstein was that he had been arrested. Glen Beck tells him about the "suicide" and his expression matches the Easter island totems.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 08, 2019 08:59 PM (LxTcq)

249 241
Wait, I thought finger / ergo grips were the bain of every gun forum?
They seemed to be shit upon only slightly than 9mm striker fired
pistols.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 08, 2019 08:56 PM (DrqHq)

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I say old boy, we're rather a bit more upscale, don't you think?

*Refills snifter with Hennessey VSOP*


Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:59 PM (cfSRQ)

250
"Well, as can happen to anyone, autocorrect changed that to:"


No. F*ckin'. Way.
My wife and daughters insisted on using iPhones and even the iPhone does not do that much damage.

Posted by: Off the reservation at September 08, 2019 09:00 PM (vWMNq)

251 I stand humbly corrected and thanks Rhomboid
Posted by: Sock Monkey...accountant in recovery at September 08, 2019 08:59 PM (GF84D)
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No worries, man. Just messing with you!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

252 220 I also like how she speaks. She has a nice soothing voice.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 08:45 PM (9hauA)


I, too, have found that using a soothing voice is helpful in obscuring one's insanity until the last possible minute.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at September 08, 2019 09:00 PM (DTX3h)

253
"Well, as can happen to anyone, autocorrect changed that to:"


No. F*ckin'. Way.
My wife and daughters insisted on using iPhones and even the iPhone does not do that much damage.

Posted by: Off the reservation at September 08, 2019 09:00 PM (vWMNq)
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Yeah. That was an attempt at humor. It was all me.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

254 I think that's a good practice. You should be able to learn from others even if they're the opposition.

Posted by: Emmie at September 08, 2019 08:56 PM (i/wJA)

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The left is always telling the right to shut up.

The right is always asking the left to keep on talking...

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:02 PM (cfSRQ)

255 I live in a big city in an open-carry state. Never seen any regular people open-carrying.

IMO you just look too conspicuous. Law enforcement personnel are the only people who always open-carry, and nobody pays attention to them because that's expected.

Probably the only way NOT to stick out while open-carrying would be to look like law-enforcement, which is not legal.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at September 08, 2019 09:02 PM (+Abq4)

256 Thanks for another amazing Gun Thread!

I'm signing off, reminding you that:

"The law is far, the fist is near." - Korean proverb

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 08, 2019 09:02 PM (H++7c)

257 No, but I have been thinking about that. There is a brand I use (Garrett) that I like a lot. Kydex with a leather lining.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:59 PM (MVjcR)
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TT Gunleather is my go to.

I've been using one of their IWB holsters for years with my 1911.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:03 PM (WEBkv)

258 Yeah. That was an attempt at humor. It was all me.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

LOL. Of course. I am one of those weird people with no interest in guns but support the second amendment 100%.

Posted by: Off the reservation at September 08, 2019 09:03 PM (vWMNq)

259 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 08, 2019 09:02 PM (H++7c
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Thanks, and thanks for tuning in! I appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

260 And appendix carry, too. I'd prefer not to shoot my d*ck off. Although it might seem a useless appendage.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 09:04 PM (qP61y)

261 Nice to have you here again! While I agree I'd never vote for her, I do appreciate people who are grounded in their approach to matters and at least have thought their way through issues and have some basis for their opinion.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 08:55 PM (MVjcR)

Thanks. I'm always so busy with work and by the time I catch up on threads (usually daily), it's too late to comment. Sigh.

I do have vacation coming up but it's a tour vacation so I doubt I would be able to comment then. I miss chatting with you guys.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 09:05 PM (9hauA)

262
LOL. Of course. I am one of those weird people with no interest in guns but support the second amendment 100%.
Posted by: Off the reservation at September 08, 2019 09:03 PM (vWMNq)
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Well it's nice to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:05 PM (u/o2C)

263 redc1c4 One of ours. I've SEEN three. I've crossed sign IDK how many times. I can't guess how many times I've probably been watched.

That said, the dogs get antsy whenever something odd is around. Not deer or elk or even the ranchers cows, 'cause that's not odd. Coyote, wolf, lion, bear. The dogs act, all spooky

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 08, 2019 09:06 PM (gMngZ)

264 She has a nice soothing voice.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at September 08, 2019 08:45 PM


Don't we all.

Posted by: Elizabeth & Hillary! at September 08, 2019 09:06 PM (DMUuz)

265 We had a mountain lion in our yard last night. Neat.

Posted by: Archer at September 08, 2019 09:07 PM (0E35O)

266 Don't we all.
Posted by: Elizabeth & Hillary! at September 08, 2019 09:06 PM (DMUuz)
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Yeah, soothing, if one thinks fingernails down a blackboard is soothing.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:07 PM (WEBkv)

267 The law is far, the fist is near." - Korean proverb
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

Tae kwon do translated the way of the foot and the fist. Respect, personal responsibility and accountability are huge in the Korean culture. Not a high crime society

Posted by: Sock Monkey...accountant in recovery at September 08, 2019 09:07 PM (GF84D)

268 262 Well it's nice to have you here!

Daughter and her husband have licenses. That takes some work in Ontario.

I was very impressed by your series on long-distance shooting ... my background is physics of a sort.

Posted by: Off the reservation at September 08, 2019 09:07 PM (vWMNq)

269 >265 We had a mountain lion in our yard last night. Neat.
Posted by: Archer at September 08, 2019 09:0



My attitude on lions is 3S.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 08, 2019 09:08 PM (uDh3k)

270 My state forester mentioned he wouldn't be surprised if I saw one at the farm. And that's against the conventional wisdom of the Fish & Game people.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

271 Someone reviewing the first Dem debates noted that Tulsi had the deepest voice of the female candidates.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 09:09 PM (ZfRYq)

272 I live within city limits.

Posted by: Archer at September 08, 2019 09:09 PM (0E35O)

273 So do a lot of deer that are a lion's main prey.

Posted by: Archer at September 08, 2019 09:10 PM (0E35O)

274
Range = shooting place!
Posted by: Weasel


My stove is full of holes!

Posted by: Dave Bowman at September 08, 2019 09:11 PM (aKsyK)

275 271
Someone reviewing the first Dem debates noted that Tulsi had the deepest voice of the female candidates.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 09:09 PM (ZfRYq)

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That's the polite way of saying she isn't shrill like the rest.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:11 PM (cfSRQ)

276 268 262 Well it's nice to have you here!

Daughter and her husband have licenses. That takes some work in Ontario.

I was very impressed by your series on long-distance shooting ... my background is physics of a sort.

Posted by: Off the reservation at September 08, 2019 09:07 PM (vWMNq)
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Why thank you! And I've done a bunch of shooting just west of Ottawa at the Connaught Ranges. I like being up there (in the summer) and the people are great.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

277 I just went thru one of my travel bags and realized that I only have 6 speed loaders. Is it possible to have too many speed loaders?

Posted by: Fritz at September 08, 2019 09:11 PM (kLDv+)

278 Never have seen a mountain lion, until 2 weeks ago, at the zoo. They're out there, not far, but of course make it their goal not to be seen. And I don't jog on mountain trails at sunrise, as a Darwin-challenged lady did back in the 9Os, leading to her demise.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 09:12 PM (QDnY+)

279 277 I just went thru one of my travel bags and realized that I only have 6 speed loaders. Is it possible to have too many speed loaders?
Posted by: Fritz at September 08, 2019 09:11 PM (kLDv+)
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That question is like asking if it's possible to have too many guns.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:12 PM (WEBkv)

280
That question is like asking if it's possible to have too many guns.
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:12 PM (WEBkv)
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Unpossible.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:14 PM (u/o2C)

281 Or too much ammo

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 09:15 PM (cxIsI)

282 3 S. Is that shoot them three times?

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 09:15 PM (qP61y)

283 278
Never have seen a mountain lion, until 2 weeks ago, at the zoo. They're
out there, not far, but of course make it their goal not to be seen. And
I don't jog on mountain trails at sunrise, as a Darwin-challenged lady
did back in the 9Os, leading to her demise.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 09:12 PM (QDnY+)

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It is amazing when you think about it that women can go a jog by themselves out into the woods or along streets in the evening or early morning and do so with near-perfect safety.

Has this ever happened before in world history?

I think the lack of danger is the primary cause of all of our problems. Because not long ago, no one harbored the illusion that peace and plenty were "normal."

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)

284 I haven't been around a lot today, except for a while in the food thread.. Has anyone mentioned that Sanford announced a primary run against Trump?
Maybe he's trying to rehabilitate his reputation? Trump is pretty much the only one he can run against who can't ding him on his infidelity!
I can't think of any other reason as a run like that will be a non-starter...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2019 09:15 PM (438dO)

285 I'd like to shoot my purty Colt King Cobra snub* [old one, not one of the new ones] in matches, for giggles, but the dang speedloaders for my Model 66 seem like they're just a bit off for that revolver [will work, but with effort]. And I don't feel like laying out the $ to get the correct ones.


* Weasel featured a photo of this gub in one the early gub threads



Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 09:16 PM (QDnY+)

286 I think the lack of danger is the primary cause of all of our problems. Because not long ago, no one harbored the illusion that peace and plenty were "normal."
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)
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Witness all the kids running around with eye and ears glued to their phone. Zero situational awareness.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:16 PM (WEBkv)

287 232 225
AH Lloyd. But mostly because I am a cheap bastard and it keeps from just doing mag dumps.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 08:49 PM (qP61y)

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That's the other reason I rarely load more than 10 rounds.

That ammo ain't free.

Revolvers are nice because they force you to economize.
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)

That is one of the pleasures of the Henry Single Shot I bought.

It really forces you to slow down, shooting one round at a time.

I'm surprised at how much fun that is. I must be old.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:17 PM (xJa6I)

288 Trump is pretty much the only one he can run against who can't ding him on his infidelity!
I can't think of any other reason as a run like that will be a non-starter...


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2019 09:15 PM (438dO)
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Really? Trump disappeared while holding public office and instructed civil servants to lie for him?

It's a grift. Guy will fold up by December.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:17 PM (cfSRQ)

289
I think the lack of danger is the primary cause of all of our problems. Because not long ago, no one harbored the illusion that peace and plenty were "normal."
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)
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Agreed. That and people with too much time on their hands. Back when you had to work all day to feed, clothe and shelter yourself and your family there was a lot less time to get into trouble.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:17 PM (u/o2C)

290 282 3 S. Is that shoot them three times?
Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 09:15 PM (qP61y)
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Shoot
Shovel
Shut-up.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:17 PM (WEBkv)

291 I just went thru one of my travel bags and realized
that I only have 6 speed loaders. Is it possible to have too many speed
loaders?


Posted by: Fritz at September 08, 2019 09:11 PM (kLDv+)

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not any more than it is possible to have too many gubs or too much ammo.

in fact i'd say "only 6?" but Weasel might think i was looking to start a fight.


Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 09:18 PM (SL3Nf)

292 rhomboid @ 243 (heh 243, get it?) As to ammo, the cheapest is always steelcase. I have burned lots of that stuff, but only in AK's, because they were made to digest steelcase. I will use it or alumimum case in revolvers, maybe just maybe a bolt action but not in any of my AR types (unless piston-driven) or semiauto pistols. Could brak an extractor or pull of the case rim and leave the tube in the barrel throat. And that sucks as they say. YMMV.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 09:18 PM (UUkQp)

293
* Weasel featured a photo of this gub in one the early gub threads

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 09:16 PM (QDnY+)
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Weasel is still jealous!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:19 PM (u/o2C)

294 Sanford doesn't have the money to mount any real campaign.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 09:19 PM (ZfRYq)

295 Gotta go feed the doggles. Later all. And ThanX! again for doing this, Weasel

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at September 08, 2019 09:20 PM (gMngZ)

296
Before anyone yells about this, I'm allowed to appreciate people I disagree with and don't have to hate them.

Posted by: chique d'afrique

Tulsi Gabbard has one thing she's running on - Nation Building Wars - which Trump is not guilty of! That was a Bush thing!
I agree with her we should get out of a lot of places we are at.. But she's wrong about most everything..
Although she does seem reasonable in how she presents it.
I have said this before.. I think Biden would be crazy NOT to make her his VP choice.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2019 09:20 PM (438dO)

297 Speaking of more guns, which one should be my next purchase?

Fulton Armory M1 CMP Competition Rifle or Kimber Custom II?

Decisions, decisions....

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:21 PM (WEBkv)

298
in fact i'd say "only 6?" but Weasel might think i was looking to start a fight.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 09:18 PM (SL3Nf)
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You trying to start a fight?
I have a couple of speed loaders on the chest rig I mentioned a bit ago.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:22 PM (u/o2C)

299

Mark Sanford will hold a town hall in Buenos Aires.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2019 09:22 PM (aKsyK)

300 As to ammo, the cheapest is always steelcase. I have
burned lots of that stuff, but only in AK's, because they were made to
digest steelcase.


Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 09:18 PM (UUkQp)

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The only reason I ever want to own an AK is to feed absolute garbage through it without guilt.

The shame is part of the kink.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)

301 Thanks, Blake. My rule for politicians.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 09:22 PM (qP61y)

302 297 Speaking of more guns, which one should be my next purchase?

Fulton Armory M1 CMP Competition Rifle or Kimber Custom II?

Decisions, decisions....
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:21 PM (WEBkv)

I'd go with the M1.

There are so many good 1911's out there and Kimbers, even Custom II will be around when you want it, later.

Unless you don't own a pistol yet, in which case, sure get the Kimber.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:22 PM (xJa6I)

303 Jogging at sunrise in the place in question [remote mountain trail in San Diego County] was pretty much the textbook/manual example of "things NOT to do to be safe from mountain lions".


By coincidence that year also had a rash of incidents of the big kitties venturing into suburban areas [biologists said they couldn't explain it], causing a proposition to be put on the ballot to re-establish limited hunting of the cats. It lost. Back then, CA had a few pro hunters on retainer who would be called in for dangerous/apparently ill cats. Dunno about today, assume that has not changed.


Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 09:22 PM (QDnY+)

304 Posted by: McGyver at September 08, 2019 09:20 PM (gMngZ)
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Thanks and you're welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:23 PM (u/o2C)

305 Fulton Armory M1 CMP Competition Rifle or Kimber Custom II?



Decisions, decisions....

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:21 PM (WEBkv)

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I've been hearing that Kimbers are currently coasting on reputation. Quality just isn't there.

Not sure if it's true, but since I'm not a member of the Cult of 1911, I don't really care either way.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:24 PM (cfSRQ)

306 Like Mark, I say M1. While, technically, as in the case of Fulton Armory in particular, one can't just say "they're not making them any more" - it's pretty much true, and certainly compared to the 1911. Obviously.


M1.


And later, the custom Kimber.


Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 09:25 PM (QDnY+)

307 302 297 Speaking of more guns, which one should be my next purchase?

Fulton Armory M1 CMP Competition Rifle or Kimber Custom II?

Decisions, decisions....
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:21 PM (WEBkv)

I'd go with the M1.

There are so many good 1911's out there and Kimbers, even Custom II will be around when you want it, later.

Unless you don't own a pistol yet, in which case, sure get the Kimber.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:22 PM (xJa6I)
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Agreed. Kimber's are nice but I love the M1. Fulton Armory does a really nice job, too.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:26 PM (u/o2C)

308 Mark Sanford will hold a town hall in Buenos Aires.



Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2019 09:22 PM (aKsyK)

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Sanford is unique in that he can't get all huffy about Trump's personal life.

Which means he'll have to attack Trump on actual policies.

So what does he want? Going back to business as usual with China? Open borders?

It's a grift. It's interesting that only the most washed-up of washed-up politicians want to take on Trump.

And only if the money's good.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:26 PM (cfSRQ)

309 Fulton Armory M1 CMP Competition Rifle or Kimber Custom II?



Decisions, decisions....

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:21 PM (WEBkv)

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yes.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 09:26 PM (SL3Nf)

310 Re the sidebar: Supreme Court supports the living constitution.

You know correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen a phrase in the Constitution that gives the Supreme Court the right to decide what is constitutional and what is not nor that it's a "Living" constitution. (implying that it can grow and shrink and become other than what was first written)

I'm really tired of (old fogies deciding what's constitutional and what is not with no redress to their decisions) well other than impeachment but that's hardly likely.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 09:28 PM (cxIsI)

311 Ah, heck.Running out of steam.
My favorite thread of the week.
Goodnight gunnies.
Goodnight Weasel.
Goodnight Johnboy.
Goodnight Moon.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 09:28 PM (qP61y)

312 294 Sanford doesn't have the money to mount any real campaign.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2019 09:19 PM (ZfRYq)


He fit right in w/Kristol.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 09:29 PM (ePWRo)

313 Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2019 09:28 PM (qP61y)
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'Night pal.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

314 Interesting timing. I have a .45 ACP that does not fit my hand that I'm gifting to my best friend because it fits him perfectly. I have a couple (or maybe more) guns that I take out for fun even though they aren't a great fit.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 08, 2019 09:31 PM (8cbTS)

315 Oh and ah (looks around) I....sorta bought a CZ P10c.

I know, I know...

I'll be testing it out soonish. Just need another case of 9mm for the test.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:31 PM (xJa6I)

316 Anyone try the new pachmayer grips with the pop out pinky rest?

Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2019 09:31 PM (B7KlG)

317 314 Interesting timing. I have a .45 ACP that does not fit my hand that I'm gifting to my best friend because it fits him perfectly. I have a couple (or maybe more) guns that I take out for fun even though they aren't a great fit.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 08, 2019 09:31 PM (8cbTS)

My Gen 2 Glock 21 doesn't fit my hand at all. But damn if the gun doesn't shoot. Might be my most accurate pistol at 25 yards with irons.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:32 PM (xJa6I)

318 Gun control 24/7 this week as Congress returns.

Posted by: WUT at September 08, 2019 09:32 PM (MAstk)

319 A lot of these guys run a campaign just to get the money to spread around. This is the way the law works; if they quit, they have to use the money left over from donations to pay all the bills of the campaign. Any left over from that can be used by the person who ran for donations for other people, other races.

This is why so many get in on the campaign they can then use those donations without asking permission on other people races and they then become influencers in the race.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 09:32 PM (cxIsI)

320 yes.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 08, 2019 09:26 PM (SL3Nf)
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Heh.

Heart is leaning that way but the pocketbooks says otherwise.

Probably be the M1.

I've got a couple of Korean war vintage M1's but, darn it, Fulton Armory is really singing the siren call of "must have another M1!"

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:33 PM (WEBkv)

321 314 Interesting timing. I have a .45 ACP that does not fit my hand that I'm gifting to my best friend because it fits him perfectly. I have a couple (or maybe more) guns that I take out for fun even though they aren't a great fit.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 08, 2019 09:31 PM (8cbTS)
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It may be too late, but does the grip on the .45 feel too small or narrow?

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

322 On the ButtMart thing, only positive I see is benefit to fun stores, which usually use the help. But I think any and all examples of this kind of dumb, craven, misinformed, bigoted, irresponsible corporate version of crazy mob behavior degrade the culture and push us further into the idiocy now half-consuming the country on many topics.


Imagine the megaton-impact of fresh air that might occur if a big company came out with a reasoned, well-informed comment on things like this, chiding others for joining the mob, and asking their customers, as citizens, to better inform themselves and think through important questions.


I measure our distress as the distance from *that* kind of corporate reaction, to what we in fact are getting. Measurable only in light years.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 09:33 PM (QDnY+)

323 I look forward to Sanford disappear ing for a week and the entire press Corp decamping to Argentina.

Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2019 09:34 PM (B7KlG)

324 My Gen 2 Glock 21 doesn't fit my hand at all. But damn if the gun doesn't shoot. Might be my most accurate pistol at 25 yards with irons.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:32 PM (xJa6I)

Its all about what you can hit with, in a crunch.

Shot my P225 for YEARS. Got fairly good with it.

Then picked up my Uberti .45 Long Colt Single action to play with at cowboy shootoffs.

Now, it would be my go to piece.

Just fits my hand, and can't seem to miss with it.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:35 PM (NgKpN)

325 323 I look forward to Sanford disappear ing for a week and the entire press Corp decamping to Argentina.
Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2019 09:34 PM (B7KlG)
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What I really liked about Sanford is that his wife dumped him as soon as she found out.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:35 PM (WEBkv)

326 Perhaps I should read the manual.
I just found out my 1911 s can be put on half cock by pulling back on the hammer. This pulls in the grip safety so I can pull the trigger with my thumb solidly jammed against the hammer. I do not have to fuss with the grip safety to lower the hammer. This is useful when adjusting the holster and the like.

Posted by: flimflamed at September 08, 2019 09:35 PM (ZTDnL)

327 Now, it would be my go to piece.

Just fits my hand, and can't seem to miss with it.
Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:35 PM (NgKpN)
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I have a 1911 and a Garand that are like that.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:36 PM (WEBkv)

328 A.H. Lloyd @ 300- And it is written 'Lo, the zombies came, and Lloyd had only an AR using 5.56 of which he had none. And Lloyd spake thus 'Why old Eromero, did I not seek an AK and cheap 7.62X39 ammo when it was available?' and old Eromero just smiled and handed Lloyd a spare AK.'

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (UUkQp)

329 Just fits my hand, and can't seem to miss with it.
Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:35 PM (NgKpN)

That's my PPQ. It's like magic. But the damn thing jams, band jams too. Not all the time, but sometimes. Makes me nervous about trusting it.

It's ok. I got plenty of other guns that I can carry instead.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (xJa6I)

330 Please note how the stores all caved at the same time.

Methinks there's a play book somewhere and as the opportunities arise the next step is taken.

I'm off tomorrow to get some .45 at Walmart as they've still got two shelves full of ammo.

BTW went to the Walmart last night and it seemed less crowded than usual. Did anyone see a reduction this weekend?

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (cxIsI)

331 WUT, good thing the WH and congressional GOP led so well, debunked so much crap, and shaped the discussion from a sane, constitutional perspective, right?


Oh.


Yeah yeah not much if anything will actually happen. Not even close to an acceptable standard. And same applies to other key issues.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (QDnY+)

332 Read that Wally is reconsidering its decision.

Keep those cards and letters coming.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (ePWRo)

333 332 Read that Wally is reconsidering its decision.

Keep those cards and letters coming.
Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (ePWRo)
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Someone mentioned that earlier.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

334 325 323 I look forward to Sanford disappear ing for a week and the entire press Corp decamping to Argentina.
Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2019 09:34 PM (B7KlG)
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What I really liked about Sanford is that his wife dumped him as soon as she found out.
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:35 PM (WEBkv)

Yeah, I got a lot of respect for her for that.
God knows Hillary would have gotten some too if she'd dumped Bill. But she wanted the money, the power and figured he would help her get elected.

Ha ha.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:38 PM (xJa6I)

335 That's my PPQ. It's like magic. But the damn thing jams, band jams too. Not all the time, but sometimes. Makes me nervous about trusting it.

It's ok. I got plenty of other guns that I can carry instead.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (xJa6I)
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Yeah, having a gun one shoots well but is not reliable isn't as desirable as having a gun that's reliable that one shoots okay with.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:38 PM (WEBkv)

336 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (xJa6I) 

My PPQ has never jammed, and is amazingly accurate!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2019 09:40 PM (wYseH)

337 327 Now, it would be my go to piece.

Just fits my hand, and can't seem to miss with it.
Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:35 PM (NgKpN)
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I have a 1911 and a Garand that are like that.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:36 PM (WEBkv)

Yup. Its like my Maverick 12 gauge.

Knock off, but never jams and goes beyond what I though it would do.

for me its like people who talk about 'diets'. It may work for them, but we are so different that what is important is what works for you.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:41 PM (NgKpN)

338 Re the sidebar: Supreme Court supports the living constitution.

You know correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen a phrase in the Constitution that gives the Supreme Court the right to decide what is constitutional and what is not nor that it's a "Living" constitution. (implying that it can grow and shrink and become other than what was first written)

I'm really tired of (old fogies deciding what's constitutional and what is not with no redress to their decisions) well other than impeachment but that's hardly likely.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 09:28 PM (cxIsI)


The want you to think that SCOTUS is the final word on what the Constitution says. However arbitrary and split the Court.

Then why doesn't the Oath swear to uphold SCOTUS?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2019 09:42 PM (1g7ch)

339 I have a tendency to take too many guns to the range at a time. It takes a bit to get used to the feel of each one. Sort of a first world problem, I know.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

340 That's my PPQ. It's like magic. But the damn thing
jams, band jams too. Not all the time, but sometimes. Makes me nervous
about trusting it.



It's ok. I got plenty of other guns that I can carry instead.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (xJa6I)

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Band jams? Brass only, or do you work some sax in there?

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)

341 336 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (xJa6I)

My PPQ has never jammed, and is amazingly accurate!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2019 09:40 PM (wYseH)

I think A. H. Lloyd had the same experience.

I don't know what to say. I've taken it to two classes, both over 1k rounds over the weekend. And I've had hard lockups on the PPQ both times. Couldn't immediate action it to clear it, had to take it to a safe spot and bang on it.

It's a hella accurate, comfortable gun but that makes me nervous.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:43 PM (xJa6I)

342 287 ... "That is one of the pleasures of the Henry Single Shot I bought.

It really forces you to slow down, shooting one round at a time.

I'm surprised at how much fun that is. I must be old."

Mark, Totally agree. Henry single shot, Contenders, and of course muzzleloaders let us slow down, appreciate each shot, and NOT GO THROUGH SO MUCH FRIGGIN" AMMO!!

I prefer to think of the approach as due to wisdom, not age. (Or both.)

Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2019 09:43 PM (bmdz3)

343 340 That's my PPQ. It's like magic. But the damn thing
jams, band jams too. Not all the time, but sometimes. Makes me nervous
about trusting it.



It's ok. I got plenty of other guns that I can carry instead.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (xJa6I)

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Band jams? Brass only, or do you work some sax in there?
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)

Ha. Yeah, typos....no edit feature.

Yeah, just brass. Armscor and S&B were the two brands used.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (xJa6I)

344 for me its like people who talk about 'diets'. It may work for them, but we are so different that what is important is what works for you.
Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:41 PM (NgKpN)
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*fistbump*

Yep.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (WEBkv)

345 I am Lincolnesque on my view of the Supreme Court and it's decisions.

His address on the Dredd Scott decision is great.

http://bit.ly/2UF3MAX

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (yQpMk)

346 My PPQ has never jammed, and is amazingly accurate!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2019 09:40 PM (wYseH)

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Same.

I never thought I would trust an auto-loader as a carry gun - until I shot the PPQ.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (cfSRQ)

347 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2019 09:40 PM (wYseH)

I was thinking he's not griping tight enough?

I have a clone of the ppq and have no problems but I grip that thing like it's a snake gonna bite me. No jams!

9ms and under (.380, .320) are more likely for weak hand jams.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (cxIsI)

348 You know the drill, all - before the ONT comes along, I want to thank you for stopping by again this week and hope to see you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

349 Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2019 09:42 PM (1g7ch)

and the Supremes ARE part of the Federal Government.

Who are only 1 of THREE entities that approved the Constitution.

The Constitution is a contract between the Federal Government, the STATES, and the People.

One part of that should not be able to change that contract, yet does, consistently.

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (NgKpN)

350 I shoot with my pinky sticking out just like I drink my tea. I'm an elitist that way.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at September 08, 2019 09:46 PM (Zv1X1)

351 I have a tendency to take too many guns to the range at a time. It takes a bit to get used to the feel of each one. Sort of a first world problem, I know.
I grabbed a pistol to take to the range today but forgot I hadn't cleared the trunk after yesterday. I had no room for the new pistol. First world!

Posted by: Panhandler at September 08, 2019 09:46 PM (S/rwf)

352 348
You know the drill, all - before the ONT comes along, I want to thank
you for stopping by again this week and hope to see you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

Thanks amigo. Always learn something an enjoy this.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (Zv1X1)

353 thanks again, Weasel! Great thread!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (WEBkv)

354 Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2019 09:42 PM (1g7ch)

English?

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (NgKpN)

355 Thanks, Weasel. Good night all.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (UUkQp)

356 347 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2019 09:40 PM (wYseH)

I was thinking he's not griping tight enough?

I have a clone of the ppq and have no problems but I grip that thing like it's a snake gonna bite me. No jams!

9ms and under (.380, .320) are more likely for weak hand jams.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (cxIsI)

I don't THINK so. I don't have a gorilla grip but I had Greg Hamilton watching me shoot and if I'd been limp wristing, he would have yelled at me for it.

And the problem was with rounds jammed in the chamber, hard lockups where we had to bang on the slide to get it to unlock.

Though one jam was a double feed, as I recall. That might have been a weak grip?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (xJa6I)

357 350 I shoot with my pinky sticking out just like I drink my tea. I'm an elitist that way.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at September 08, 2019 09:46 PM (Zv1X1)

Sorry.... bad paste.

English?

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:48 PM (NgKpN)

358 Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (Zv1X1)
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Appreciate that, CB!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

359 It's a hella accurate, comfortable gun but that makes me nervous.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:43 PM (xJa6I)

Send it back to Walther for warranty work. It's too good a pistol to do that kind of crap.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2019 09:48 PM (wYseH)

360 353 thanks again, Weasel! Great thread!
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks blake!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

361 And the problem was with rounds jammed in the chamber, hard lockups where we had to bang on the slide to get it to unlock.

Though one jam was a double feed, as I recall. That might have been a weak grip?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (xJa6I)
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I believe "limp wrist" usually results in a case not fully ejecting and getting caught.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:49 PM (WEBkv)

362 Ha. Yeah, typos....no edit feature.



Yeah, just brass. Armscor and SB were the two brands used.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (xJa6I)

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I shoot remanufactured swill through mine and it goes without complaint.

I must be over 2,000 rounds by now and have never had an issue.

I will say that the PPQ is mysterious to me. At first, I thought I had it figured out. But then - if I may use the metaphor - it's like a lover. You explore new techniques, new approaches and you see it in a whole new light.

Riding the reset? Dangerously fun. I can't decide if I want to go all-in or merely flirt with that feature. Anticipating the break is likewise risky, but you can have some great shooting that way.

It contains multitudes. One of my better purchases. If the ticker can take it, I want to shoot next weekend. The PPQ shall accompany me.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:49 PM (cfSRQ)

363 355 Thanks, Weasel. Good night all.
Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (UUkQp)
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You're welcome! 'Night Eromero!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

364 As usual, a 4.0 effort no your part Weasel.

Posted by: Panhandler at September 08, 2019 09:50 PM (S/rwf)

365 359 It's a hella accurate, comfortable gun but that makes me nervous.

Posted by:Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:43 PM (xJa6I)

Send it back to Walther for warranty work. It's too good a pistol to do that kind of crap.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2019 09:48 PM (wYseH)

Did that. They couldn't repro and sent it back to me.

Then next class, damn thing happened again. I even got camera phone pics of the jam.

Eh. It's in the 'range toy' category now. I have other options, thankfully.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:50 PM (xJa6I)

366 348 You know the drill, all - before the ONT comes along, I want to thank you
...
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)


And thank you for the good evening, looking forward to next Sunday.

Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 09:50 PM (ePWRo)

367 I have a tendency to take too many guns to the range at a time.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 08, 2019 09:46 PM (S/rwf)


Same. I don't even have that many, really. But I always take all, or nearly all of them. Because what if an occasion should arise where one of the guns is appropriate, but I left it at home? Major faux pas. It would be scandalous. I'd show up at the range and people... people would talk. Hushed tones. Furtive glances.

Oh. It's that guy.

So even though it's an hour more cleaning and another couple pounds of ammo, they all come, pretty much, every time.

https://stoatnet.org/goodtimes.png

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 08, 2019 09:50 PM (t+qrx)

368 Sorry.... bad paste.



English?

Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:48 PM (NgKpN)

Lol. joking, you new that right? although on my subcompact Glock my pinky is barely on with and extended mag and I'm pretty accurate. The other hand locks my grip in place though.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at September 08, 2019 09:51 PM (Zv1X1)

369 That's my PPQ. It's like magic. But the damn thing jams, band jams too. Not all the time, but sometimes. Makes me nervous about trusting it.

It's ok. I got plenty of other guns that I can carry instead.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:37 PM (xJa6I)
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Yeah, having a gun one shoots well but is not reliable isn't as desirable as having a gun that's reliable that one shoots okay with.
Posted by: blake


That's my ppk as well. I've cleaned it thoroughly, but some dimwit somewhere between 1938 (when it was issued to the Wehrmacht) and now has lubed it with some heavy oil and let it get gunked up with carbon. I've partially rehabbed it, but it's not reliable. Need to pull it down to its component parts and make it factory fresh clean again before I trust it in my pocket for a daily carry.

Weasel - this is one i have that i refuse to change the grips on. I've got the original orange bakelite factory grips and magazine finger clip.

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 08, 2019 09:51 PM (VcFUs)

370
364 As usual, a 4.0 effort no your part Weasel.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 08, 2019 09:50 PM (S/rwf)
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Thanks Panhandler!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

371 Though one jam was a double feed, as I recall. That might have been a weak grip?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (xJa6I)

Have someone else shoot it. Use the same ammo every time so you have consistent conditions.

Then you might discover what's up. May be a weak or dragging spring or magazine. Lot's of misfires are magazine related.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at September 08, 2019 09:51 PM (cxIsI)

372 Did that. They couldn't repro and sent it back to me.



Then next class, damn thing happened again. I even got camera phone pics of the jam.



Eh. It's in the 'range toy' category now. I have other options, thankfully.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:50 PM (xJa6I)

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Hate to say it, but you're limp-wristing it.

Or something like that.

Could you be anticipating the break? Do you try to ride the reset?

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:52 PM (cfSRQ)

373 And the problem was with rounds jammed in the chamber, hard lockups where we had to bang on the slide to get it to unlock.

Though one jam was a double feed, as I recall. That might have been a weak grip?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (xJa6I)
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I once had a hard lockup on a 1911. It was the result of the primer not being seated far enough into the round. They were some reloads that a friend had given to me.

That particular lockup was scary. Fortunately for me, the gunsmith was at the range at the time. He put on heavy glove, put a brass rod down the muzzle, and hit the end of the rod to free the round. We were both waiting for bad things to happen, but, it worked, Which relieved us both, but, most especially, the gunsmith.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 09:52 PM (WEBkv)

374

And thank you for the good evening, looking forward to next Sunday.
Posted by: Frosty at September 08, 2019 09:50 PM (ePWRo)
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You're very welcome, Nice to have you here, Frosty.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:52 PM (u/o2C)

375 As always, thanks for another great thread, Weasel.

Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2019 09:53 PM (bmdz3)

376 375 As always, thanks for another great thread, Weasel.
Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2019 09:53 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks JTB. You're very welcome.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

377 Have a good evening, everyone. Weasel, thanks for the thread. Sorry about the bug.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 08, 2019 09:54 PM (t+qrx)

378 That's my ppk as well. I've cleaned it thoroughly,
but some dimwit somewhere between 1938 (when it was issued to the
Wehrmacht) and now has lubed it with some heavy oil and let it get
gunked up with carbon. I've partially rehabbed it, but it's not
reliable. Need to pull it down to its component parts and make it
factory fresh clean again before I trust it in my pocket for a daily
carry.



Weasel - this is one i have that i refuse to change the grips on.
I've got the original orange bakelite factory grips and magazine finger
clip.

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 08, 2019 09:51 PM (VcFUs)

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Similar problem with my Dreyse M1907. It was giving me fits, had legit mechanical issues but breaking it down and coating it with CLP has made a big difference. It still needs additional work, but is much better than when I got it.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:54 PM (cfSRQ)

379 Now Weasel Dog can finally catch up on his mail.

Posted by: Panhandler at September 08, 2019 09:55 PM (S/rwf)

380 English?
Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 09:47 PM (NgKpN)


Certain folks will tell you SCOTUS defines what the Constitution says. None have overcome the Oath is to the Constitution, not SCOTUS.

Leave "SCOTUS says" to the courts.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2019 09:55 PM (1g7ch)

381 You know the drill, all - before the ONT comes along, I want to thank you
...
Posted by: Weasel
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Oh great, I get here just as we run out of ammo.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2019 09:55 PM (cg4r6)

382 372 Did that. They couldn't repro and sent it back to me.



Then next class, damn thing happened again. I even got camera phone pics of the jam.



Eh. It's in the 'range toy' category now. I have other options, thankfully.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:50 PM (xJa6I)

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Hate to say it, but you're limp-wristing it.

Or something like that.

Could you be anticipating the break? Do you try to ride the reset?
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:52 PM (cfSRQ)

Maybe. If so, it's the only pistol that I limp wrist.

No, riding the reset causes different failures. A dead trigger I can fix with an immediate action. And that's probably partly my fault, trying to be fast and fancy.

Look, you guys love the PPQ, I get it. I really do. Like I said, the gun shoots like magic. I'm just one data point but I can't trust it. I got XD and Glocks and CZs that I can carry instead. Maybe some day I'll have a buddy or a friend's kid I can gift it to.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:56 PM (xJa6I)

383
Weasel - this is one i have that i refuse to change the grips on.
I've got the original orange bakelite factory grips and magazine finger
clip.

Posted by: BifBewalski at September 08, 2019 09:51 PM (VcFUs)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:56 PM (MVjcR)

384 Oh great, I get here just as we run out of ammo.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2019 09:55 PM (cg4r6)

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Better than shooting blanks.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 09:57 PM (cfSRQ)

385 377 Have a good evening, everyone. Weasel, thanks for the thread. Sorry about the bug.
Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 08, 2019 09:54 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks bud!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

386 Maybe. If so, it's the only pistol that I limp wrist.


Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2019 09:56 PM (xJa6I)

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That's why I think it's something with anticipating the break.

Having someone else shoot it for a while is the best idea. Have them put 100+ rounds through and see what happens.

Alternatively, do a session of hate-shooting with it. You know - tight grip, steady firing for area rather than pinpoint accuracy.

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 10:01 PM (cfSRQ)

387 Whoops, there goes the ONT.

I stayed up late because...I'm convalescing. No work tomorrow.

Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 10:01 PM (cfSRQ)

388
Thanks Weasel!
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2019 10:01 PM (cfSRQ)
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My pleasure. Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

389 Better than shooting blanks.
Posted by: Convalescing Author A.H. Lloyd
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The other night, watching Jaws, I noticed Quint manually cycling his M1, and excessive muzzle flash. Clearly lame blanks, or more likely the weapon wasn't set up for blanks. Wouldn't cycle correctly.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2019 10:02 PM (cg4r6)

390 Later, all!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at September 08, 2019 10:02 PM (WEBkv)

391 Two thing:

A Hogue grip made it possible for me to use my Walther PPK/S as my carry gun. It didn't do anything for the .380's lack of stopping power, but at least the puny cartridge now fits my hand (admittedly large) and I can carry it.

As far as spellcheck is concerned, her's one made in hell: There is a find chronograph out there that uses doppler to measure a bullet's speed. Doppler is a form of radar, an the company somehow wanted to tie the name of their product to the laboratory, hence the name LABRADAR. Spell check thinks I meant to write the name of a popular breed of dog, so EVERY FRICKING TIME I TYPE Labradar, SPELL CHECKS IT TO Labrador.

It is almost impossible to type the correct name of the product. Every time I try, this machine that is smarter than I am changes it to the name of a breed of dog.

Take THAT, Spellchuck!

Posted by: F at September 08, 2019 10:03 PM (OkG0q)

392 "there is a fine. . ."

Posted by: F at September 08, 2019 10:04 PM (OkG0q)

393 Posted by: F at September 08, 2019 10:03 PM (OkG0q)
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I have a Labradar. Love it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)

394 My Gen 2 Glock 21 doesn't fit my hand at all. But damn if the gun doesn't shoot. Might be my most accurate pistol at 25 yards with irons.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

I carry an M&P .45 Shield. A little small for my hand but the gun makes me look like I know what I'm doing. My favorite gun fits like a dream, shoots like a dream except for a nasty habit stove-piping a round once per hundred or so.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 08, 2019 10:34 PM (8cbTS)

395
Calif has some weird code too.

Sheath Knives are not to be worn, and they will nail you for it in the city.

But SWORDS? AOK as long as in the scabbard.

I think its due to swords still being a legal part of military dress uniforms, or it could just be the usual politicians can't be consistent thing.
Posted by: Don Q at September 08, 2019 08:36 PM (NgKpN)

Actually you can carry a fixed blade knife in CA as long as it is not concealed. Any concealed fixed blade no matter what size is illegal.
Most cops do not know the law regarding knives in CA because they are too lazy to read the California Penal Code regarding knives in its entirety.
If you read the CPC it starts out about not carrying dirks, daggers, etc., drones on for three quarters of a page and then says "except when suspended from the waist." And there is case law where a guy had a fixed blade strapped to his lower leg and was deemed to be in compliance, because the pants went all the way to his waist.
I was a sworn peace officer and spent many a graveyard shift reading the penal code for entertainment. Even veteran cops do not know the law. Most assume double-edged blades are verboten. Not the case.
But, ANY folding knife can be carried concealed in California. A few years ago a company produced a folder called the Sifu targeted at the California market. It was a very large folding knife.
Oh, and automatic (switchblades) with blades lest than 2 inches are OK, but what's the point. There are a ton of great knives by Kershaw out there that are more reliable and open with minimal effort. I had a Mini-Reflex that I had the spring replaced twice due to breaking (no cost, but, still when you want a knife, Now! you don't want to worry about the spring being broken).
Oh, no gravity knives as defined by being able to be opened solely by the weight of the blade or by a flick of the wrist (this can be a tricky one if you have a well lubed, well worn folder that was not designed to be a gravity knife but becomes one if the officer flicks his wrist enough times to get the blade to snap out).

The problem with ignorant cops is they can arrest you and you will beat it in court, but you have to go to court and the process becomes the punishment.

Posted by: Waepnedmann at September 08, 2019 10:50 PM (OcHFb)

396 Glock-30 Gen 4 I just bought, came with 4 different back-straps to adjust for your hand size. As it's a double-stack .45, it's already pretty big, but some of us have long fingers...

Posted by: ChrisP at September 08, 2019 11:01 PM (oU9yj)

397 "Did you finally buy the 44 Mag snubbie you always wanted, but find the
recoil makes it just too painful to shoot so you leave it in the gun
safe?"
No! I did buy it and carry it concealed and it shoots just fine, but then I can shoot a 12 gauge single handed and that shoots fine was well and the recoil doesn't bother me.

Posted by: Tony Litwin at September 09, 2019 07:15 AM (uGbDu)

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