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Sorry Folks, It Isn't Grandma's Codeine Prescription That Is Fueling The "Opioid Crisis," It's China And Mexico And A Porous Border
Daniel Horowitz is often a bit bombastic, and he is in rare form here. But I can't argue with his intensity, because America is rushing into some monumentally dumb changes in the way we manage the doctor-patient relationship. And by that I mean we are destroying physicians' autonomy with respect to prescribing medication. But that is a secondary effect compared to the existential crisis on our borders, and our inability to control the flood of immensely powerful narcotics being exported by our dear friends the ChiComs. Government continues persecuting doctors & pain patients to protect drug traffickers & illegal immigration
As I’ve noted in my exhaustive series on the true cause of the drug crisis since 2014, most drug fatalities are from illicit drugs peddled by Mexican cartels. Prescription deaths are down, and prescriptions themselves are seriously limited, more than ever before. To continue declaring war on prescriptions while ignoring the fact that we barely prosecute drug traffickers any more and continuing our reluctance go after the cartels is a recipe for skyrocketing overdoses and harming pain patients.For example, here's a damning graph of the increase in opioid deaths in NH. Notice that heroin and prescription opioids barely budge, but those pesky synthetics, otherwise known as China's Gift To America, have skyrocketed.
New Hampshire Opioid Summary
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: CN at September 01, 2019 12:19 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: HA at September 01, 2019 12:20 PM (MAstk)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2019 12:20 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 01, 2019 12:20 PM (8ts9m)
This article basically tracks directly with my limited understanding of the issues
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:20 PM (jg1QG)
Dr's autonomy??? That was already lost with Obamacare. Everything you fill out and everything the Dr does is now logged and reported to big brother government now.
Posted by: Vic at September 01, 2019 12:21 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at September 01, 2019 12:21 PM (fZlu3)
The idea that the drug overdose death spike is being fueled by backyard meth labs is QUAINT. The notion that 'pill mill' doctors are writing the scripts that cause these deaths is also QUAINT. Everything Joe Sixpack thinks he knows about illegal drug use is QUAINT.
Posted by: mnw at September 01, 2019 12:22 PM (Cssks)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:23 PM (jg1QG)
Posted by: mnw at September 01, 2019 12:23 PM (Cssks)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 01, 2019 12:24 PM (QZCjk)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:24 PM (jg1QG)
30kg of fentanyl got fucking mailed to Virginia yesterday, from China. It was noted that fentanyl is so powerful its dosages get measured in micrograms. So thirty million micrograms computes to "a lot of dead people" if that stuff gets poured out somewhere by accident or not-so-accident.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 01, 2019 12:25 PM (d1HBL)
I'd make a point of going after the dealers, with no lenience allowed and maximum penalties inflicted in ALL cases.
It's one thing to deal with an addict, but a person who lives off the profits from selling addictive drugs is one of the lower life forms inhabiting the world.
That they do this of their free will makes it more vile.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 01, 2019 12:25 PM (KATBx)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 01, 2019 12:25 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 01, 2019 12:26 PM (d1HBL)
Again. Fuck the democrats.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:26 PM (Zv1X1)
Posted by: kallisto at September 01, 2019 12:26 PM (UPWzt)
Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at September 01, 2019 12:27 PM (7QDTi)
Libs insist drugs aren't mostly coming across the southern border but through "ports of entry."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2019 12:20 PM (aKsyK)
And once they actually let us close the southern border and it doesn't slow down, then they can say "We told you so."
Posted by: buzzion at September 01, 2019 12:28 PM (Z7lwY)
The pill mills have gone out of business, but continued criminal prosecution is necessary-- unless you want them back.
Most of the pill mill proprietors were FMGs, btw (foreign medical graduates), in my experience. We NEED run a lot of those quacks out of town.
Posted by: mnw at September 01, 2019 12:28 PM (Cssks)
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 12:28 PM (BLFnH)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 01, 2019 12:28 PM (QZCjk)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:29 PM (Zv1X1)
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They're coming through the progs desire for vote fraud.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 01, 2019 12:29 PM (+y/Ru)
' He called me Googlie Eyes'
Instead of the mother using this as an opportunity teach the kid that words have no power over us, we created an f'n industry.
And a general belief that we are entitled to a struggle and challenge free life.
Anything else drives us nuts.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:29 PM (jg1QG)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 01, 2019 12:24 PM (QZCjk)
Easy.
A great one-two punch concocted by the Left:
1) You have no agency in your life. Nothing you do makes any difference. You are the victim of forces around you.
You must depend on us (who don't give a flying fuck about you) just to exist.
This lesson is taught daily to our children and those on welfare, etc.
2) If you lose your job or never have one, who cares?
You get welfare! Isn't that awesome? You don't have to work or anything. You can sit around all day.
And you get paid!!!! You're welcome.
Yeah, your whole future depends on us but we gotcha!
There is dignity in work and Obama and the Democrats took as much of that away from working and middle class Americans as they could.
So, why not get high?
Posted by: naturalfake at September 01, 2019 12:31 PM (SHtRW)
Anything else drives us nuts.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:29 PM (jg1QG)
This. Life is hard yet we tell our kids that they deserve an easy go of it and if it gets a bit difficult it must be someone else's fault for making it so.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:31 PM (Zv1X1)
Posted by: kallisto at September 01, 2019 12:32 PM (UPWzt)
Three hydro 5's after I got my wisdom teeth pulled caused me to be a raging drunk meth tweeker and now I have to sell my ass behind the bus station for booze and drugs and cigs and my cell phone and jewelry and high heals and bag balm for my bum!
Also, the pills turned me into a newt!
Posted by: Lizzy Buttplug at September 01, 2019 12:32 PM (w3OLr)
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 12:34 PM (cY3LT)
Anything else drives us nuts.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:29 PM (jg1QG)
This. Life is hard yet we tell our kids that they deserve an easy go of it and if it gets a bit difficult it must be someone else's fault for making it so.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at
It's pathetic. Some of us have tried and have succeeded. Kidlet is working full time and has been attending Community College. Learned this am that grandson is heading to the SE to help with hurricane relief.
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 12:35 PM (BLFnH)
Also, the pills turned me into a newt!
Posted by: Lizzy Buttplug at September 01, 2019 12:32 PM (w3OLr)
Hey!
Posted by: Newt Gingrich at September 01, 2019 12:35 PM (Zv1X1)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:36 PM (rnXGe)
Posted by: HA at September 01, 2019 12:37 PM (MAstk)
The only difference is the presence of a graph. I have a story, and so do Bob, Jim, Dan, and Martha, and we all tell our events to Sally the Scientist who collates them into a paper that gets published in Social Scientist Monthly that people like you cite in online arguments.
What alchemy took place between me and you that transformed my vulgar, foolish anecdote into holy data?
None.
Posted by: Apostate at September 01, 2019 12:37 PM (z2FAZ)
Posted by: kallisto at September 01, 2019 12:38 PM (UPWzt)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2019 12:38 PM (aKsyK)
Open borders makes and supplies all of these conditions.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 01, 2019 12:38 PM (xG/b0)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2019 12:20 PM (aKsyK)
Well we won't know for sure until we build a wall, won't we.
Should we only do ports of entry, waiting for drug traffickers to smack themselves on the head when they remember there is a porous border? An interesting strategy to dealing with a problem they no doubt, no doubt, feel strongly about.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 01, 2019 12:38 PM (LxTcq)
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 12:35 PM (BLFnH)
That's because they have good models. Well done.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:38 PM (Zv1X1)
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 01, 2019 12:28 PM (QZCjk)
Heroin addicts will tell you they mostly can't find heroin these days. It's all fentanyl, all the time. Or mostly fentanyl. Mixed with rat poison or draino or whatever else they can find.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 12:39 PM (cY3LT)
Back in The Day, they were called "narcotics"
*mumbles something about the lawn*
Posted by: JQ at September 01, 2019 12:40 PM (98WNR)
Sure it does.
Some folk are predisposed to addiction.
Some folk have had an addiction based upon legal exposure to prescribed opioids.
Some........
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:40 PM (jg1QG)
Mexican cartels buy US politicians and governnent entities with drug money.
It aint gonna end without bloodshed and some very high level casualties.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 01, 2019 12:40 PM (BrRAn)
Did not know. Thanks for the education.
How do we explain the Johnson and Johnson verdict?
Posted by: Rev. James Comey, conscience of the DOJ at September 01, 2019 12:40 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 01, 2019 12:41 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: fluffy at September 01, 2019 12:42 PM (dCRRg)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:36 PM (rnXGe)
Vastly more opioid addicts started out with the standard issue pot to pills to needles route... you know, the old "gateway drug" concept, than started out with prescribed opioids.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 12:42 PM (cY3LT)
How do we explain the Johnson and Johnson verdict?
Posted by: Rev. James Comey
How do you explain the Roundup verdict?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2019 12:42 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:42 PM (jg1QG)
Some........
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:40 PM (jg1QG)
And of course heresy is saying that many start with weed.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:43 PM (Zv1X1)
Posted by: NeoOtter at September 01, 2019 12:44 PM (0x00j)
How do you explain the Roundup verdict?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2019 12:42 PM (aKsyK)
...and now talcum powder.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:44 PM (Zv1X1)
Posted by: NeoOtter at September 01, 2019 12:44 PM (0x00j)
Wait, how do I get that!
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:44 PM (Zv1X1)
Illicit drugs are impossible to stop without a Constitutional Crisis, so lets go after the people, and their pharmacies, legal drug companies, and doctors (who in reality are now unwitting agents of the State) and make it difficult for them to maintain even a shred of patient/physician privacy!
I wonder how many opioid prescriptions did Johnson and Johnson write to merit that $572 million fine?
One highly likely outcome is that anyone that had an Oxy prescription refilled, even once, no matter what the reason (cancer, major operation, severe injury, etc.) will be getting a single three AM knock on the door before the up-armored cops enter to shoot their dog and confiscate all the weapons registered at that address.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at September 01, 2019 12:45 PM (BiNEL)
I'm such an idiot. I went to visit the kids friday after work. Was on the patio with kidlet, and out of my piehole came "where's Buster" and fuck me, they had to put him down a few months ago. I was just so used to being there with Buster running around and playing fetch. I felt like a total heal.
At least I now have a new dog sitting job when they leave town.
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 12:45 PM (BLFnH)
Would a statement during an interview by an opioid addict saying 'I started with weed' be considered as heresy?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:45 PM (jg1QG)
Someone call Morgan and Morgan......for the people.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 12:45 PM (Z+IKu)
No no, we just want a sustainable future with population control and diversity.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 01, 2019 12:46 PM (d1HBL)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 01, 2019 12:46 PM (dKiJG)
I thought that maybe it was a side effect of chemotherapy. It turned out that it wasn't that either. A CAT scan revealed a new tumor on my breastbone that causes excruciating pain. They sent me home with a very small prescription for Percocet, which will last until my office visit on Wednesday. But that was a previously-scheduled follow-up visit that has nothing to do with the new tumor. I need to get that thing treated as soon as possible, or I will need to get a new prescription for a painkiller. I won't be able to function without it.
Posted by: rickl at September 01, 2019 12:46 PM (sdi6R)
...and now talcum powder.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:44
That one really drives me crazy. Who puts that shit in their hoohaw?
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 12:48 PM (BLFnH)
Posted by: pascal at September 01, 2019 12:48 PM (2He6F)
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 12:49 PM (BbGew)
At least I now have a new dog sitting job when they leave town.
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 12:45 PM (BLFnH)
This is why I come here (well and the snark and flame wars and stupid puns). Because people here are doing good and it gives me hope for the country in the next generation they bring up and generations after that.. Oh and pets and guns.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:49 PM (Zv1X1)
Some folk are predisposed to addiction.
Some folk have had an addiction based upon legal exposure to prescribed opioids.
Some........
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 01, 2019 12:40 PM (jg1QG)
The "opiod crisis" isn't referring to codeine, it's oxycontin and more recently fentanyl. Some of the problem has to do with oxycontin and fentanyl being 100x more powerful than what should've been prescribed in the first place. The drug companies created financial incentives for doctors to prescribe one drug over another. Whether it be cash bonuses, trips, etc. The Purdue folks and JJ do that as do all drug companies. Then people get hooked on those drugs because doctors typically don't ween their patients and withdrawal can be worse than the pain they were originally prescribed to treat. Those people turn to "pain clinics" for their fix and then to the street when those shops are shut down.
I simply refuse to believe Purdue, JJ, etc didn't know what was happening when virtually out of nowhere the demand existed to ship those pills by the millions to tens of thousands of "pain clinics" around the country that didn't even exist six months prior. They looked the other way and played dumb in exchange for billions of dollars. They should be treated no different than any other drug cartel.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:49 PM (rnXGe)
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 12:50 PM (BLFnH)
That Talcum Powder was filled with asbestos -
It gave our ovaries lung cancer!
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 12:50 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 12:48 PM (BLFnH)
LMAO. Its amazing what people decide should go in their orifices. God help us.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:51 PM (Zv1X1)
standard issue pot to pills to needles route... you know, the old
"gateway drug" concept, than started out with prescribed opioids.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 12:42 PM (cY3LT)
I couldn't disagree more. Sure there's always been a percentage of drug users who'll take anything their dealer has available. However, the "opiod crisis" is about millions of otherwise law-abiding people who would've never tried drugs before being prescribed them. We're talking millions upon millions of people.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:52 PM (rnXGe)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 01, 2019 12:52 PM (Pg+x7)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:49 PM (rnXGe)
I'm sure that's true, and the pharmaceutical industrial complex is as complicit in the degrading of our culture as anything else... but those aren't generally the people who are dying from overdoses.
The ones who can still GO to pain clinics to get pills are the walking dead, not the actual dead.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 12:53 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 01, 2019 12:53 PM (Pg+x7)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 01, 2019 12:54 PM (LxTcq)
Posted by: pj at September 01, 2019 12:54 PM (qlTN9)
Posted by: Richard 'hide the hamster' Greer at September 01, 2019 12:54 PM (jg1QG)
It gave our ovaries lung cancer!
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 12:50 PM (T42ki)
Huh. The ovaries are connected to the lung.
*recites*
The hip bone connected to the thigh bones. What?
Hey garret
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:54 PM (Zv1X1)
My guess would be that this coincides with Federal pressure to close down the Pill Mills.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 12:54 PM (T42ki)
https://tinyurl.com/y2u4bduv
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:54 PM (rnXGe)
What is tragic is politicians whos historical awareness needle is bouncing off the E peg and therefore remain blindly ignoant of what is happening.
What is distasteful is their use of the nuclear option on the mouse in the corner while rats chew on the body politic.
Its the Chicoms and their Mexican Mafia, people. Focus!
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at September 01, 2019 12:55 PM (e1mEI)
Careful who you put in the pot. You don't want to get cancer from eating a Roundup or Talc victim!
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 12:56 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 12:56 PM (xPIsN)
standard issue pot to pills to needles route... you know, the old
"gateway drug" concept, than started out with prescribed opioids.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 12:42 PM (cY3LT)
I couldn't disagree more. Sure there's always been a percentage of drug users who'll take anything their dealer has available. However, the "opiod crisis" is about millions of otherwise law-abiding people who would've never tried drugs before being prescribed them. We're talking millions upon millions of people.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:52 PM (rnXGe)
Again, I'm talking about the overdose deaths. And the people in prisons and in courtrooms and otherwise are causing the visible "opioid crisis" that everyone is talking about.
The people who are hooked on prescribed pain pills are the silent, unnoticed problem, because they aren't showing up in morgues and in jails.
Two different problems.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 12:56 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 01, 2019 12:57 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: rickl at September 01, 2019 12:58 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 12:58 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:52 PM (rnXGe)
Please Brian. millions more like me who had 2 knee replacements at once and had morphine pills and Oxy through therapy as a blessing are now pain free and don't even need ibuprofen for their knee pain any more.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:58 PM (Zv1X1)
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:00 PM (T42ki)
industrial complex is as complicit in the degrading of our culture as
anything else... but those aren't generally the people who are dying
from overdoses.
The ones who can still GO to pain clinics to get pills are the walking dead, not the actual dead.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 12:53 PM (cY3LT)
The numbers disagree. In 2014 there were 47,000 drug overdose deaths in the US. In 2017 there were 70,000 drug overdose deaths in the US, almost 48,000 of those were opiod overdoses. That increase can not be from recreational use.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:00 PM (rnXGe)
The CDC seems to think we have a localized problem
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 01, 2019 01:00 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:52 PM (rnXGe)
Please Brian. millions more like me who had 2 knee replacements at once and had morphine pills and Oxy through therapy as a blessing are now pain free and don't even need ibuprofen for their knee pain any more.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:58 PM (Zv1X1)
Yeah, I think "millions upon millions" is an exaggeration.
No doubt there are lots of people hooked on prescription pain meds, and that number is probably greater than the number of addicts buying street drugs... but again, sounding like a broken record here, the "opioid crisis" is about those people who are showing up dead and in jail and in hospitals because they're overdosing. Those are the ones getting it on the street, for the most part.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:01 PM (cY3LT)
Careful who you put in the pot. You don't want to get cancer from eating a Roundup or Talc victim!
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 12:56 PM (T42ki)
Thanks!
*works on screening questionnaire*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 01:01 PM (Zv1X1)
As previously
Their response to the opioid problem presupposes that prescribed opioids are the problem. They are not, as you point out. China and the porous border are the problem.
Their response to the "homelessness" problem presupposes that vagrants merely lack a home, which if they had, all would be well. That's not the problem; the problem is that the vagrants are predominantly druggies and lunatics who prefer to live as they see fit.
Their response to "single motherhood" presupposes that the problem is lack of money. The term itself conflates divorced mothers with never-married ones, whose children are essentially doomed to grow up in poverty and, without a father figure, the boys are inclined to join gangs. That is the problem.
Their response to gun violence presupposes that the availability of guns is the problem, so restricting the access of law-abiding citizens to them would solve the problem. The problem is in fact the murderous dysfunction of the ghettos - where the vast majority of gun violence takes place, invariably with weapons that were obtained illegally under current law - and the difficulty of institutionalizing the mentally ill.
In short, leftist policies fail simply because they scratch where it doesn't itch, and leftists refuse to acknowledge where it DOES itch, and scratch there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 01, 2019 01:02 PM (gH2RJ)
I don't think you are allowing for Black Market Pills that are NOT US Manufactured.
Big problem is fake pills from overseas that are, you guessed it, Fentanyl based.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:02 PM (T42ki)
From the 90s thru just a couple years ago, seemed like *everyone* had a script for hydrocodone and/or valium-- and especially elderly folks.
Thanks to the "Opioid Crisis" it was such a heartbreaking pain in the ass getting Dad's LEGIT meds for him... until he stopped fighting and went Hospice.
Yeah, it's like they want us dead or something.
Posted by: JQ at September 01, 2019 01:02 PM (C78No)
replacements at once and had morphine pills and Oxy through therapy as a
blessing are now pain free and don't even need ibuprofen for their knee
pain any more.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 12:58 PM (Zv1X1)
There are legitimate reasons to prescribe heavy-duty pain killers like oxy and fentanyl. You can't tell me that there were 250 million legitimate reasons to prescribe them in 2012 though. "Back pain" isn't a reason to be prescribed medical-grade heroin. That's what I'm talking about.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:03 PM (rnXGe)
Posted by: Richard 'hide the hamster' Greer at September 01, 2019 01:03 PM (jg1QG)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:03 PM (xPIsN)
--------------------
Johnson and Johnson lost a talcum poweder/whoha lawsuit. Now this.
It's open season on Pharma and J&J.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:04 PM (W54U5)
This, right fucking here, is likely the most cogent post on the topic.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:04 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 01:04 PM (Zv1X1)
The numbers disagree. In 2014 there were 47,000 drug overdose deaths in the US. In 2017 there were 70,000 drug overdose deaths in the US, almost 48,000 of those were opiod overdoses. That increase can not be from recreational use.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:00 PM (rnXGe)
You're just guessing, and frankly, your guess is almost certainly wrong.
The increase is almost certainly explained by the introduction of fentanyl into the street mix.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:04 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:00 PM (rnXGe)
Why not?
Given the tightening prescription standards over that period, it seems more likely that the dramatic increase IS from recreational use.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 01, 2019 01:05 PM (gH2RJ)
Big problem is fake pills from overseas that are, you guessed it, Fentanyl based.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:02 PM (T42ki)
Sure I am. The US cracked down on the "legal" over-presciptions and pill mills that created the addiction epidemic and then the black market stepped in to fill the demand.
I'm not even opposed to prescribing those meds so long as there's a regime to ween the patients off instead of just cold-turkey. I don't think even the doctors understood what was happening.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:06 PM (rnXGe)
Posted by: the Cork at September 01, 2019 01:07 PM (Izezt)
exchange for billions of dollars. They should be treated no different
than any other drug cartel.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 12:49 PM (rnXGe)
Now do gun manufacturers.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2019 01:08 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 01, 2019 01:08 PM (Vi10F)
Which is exactly what will always happen in these scenarios.
The problem is that the solution to the 'Opiod Prescription Crisis' was hatched by the Government.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:09 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 01:09 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2019 01:08 PM (wYseH)
I will if gun manufacturers ever knowingly distribute their products for illegal use and hundreds of thousands of people died as a result.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:10 PM (rnXGe)
Mexico just seized enough Chinese fentanyl to kill 47 million people. Last mont DEA seized, at the border, enough fentanyl to kill 53 million people.
That's where your overdoses are coming from.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:10 PM (W54U5)
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 01:10 PM (BLFnH)
Gov Gavin wants statewide rent control.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:03 PM (xPIsN)
Yep. Thanks. The list goes on and on. It's almost as if when confronted with a problem the leftists out of hand exclude the obvious origin and solution of the problem, and then proceed from there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 01, 2019 01:11 PM (gH2RJ)
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 01, 2019 01:11 PM (V2Yro)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:03 PM (rnXGe)
Thanks doc!
You have absolutely no idea of which you spout. Here's some anecdotal evidence for you...I have ruptured two discs in my life, and the idea that ibuprofen or acetaminophen would have managed the pain is laughable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2019 01:11 PM (wYseH)
I see that asshole all the time, up here.
Been waiting for the day I bump into him, alone, on the river.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:11 PM (T42ki)
Let's pray the pressure gradient keeps the hurricane offshore and that the storm falls apart.
https://www.weather.gov/oun/sfcmaps
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:12 PM (xPIsN)
They gave me Oxy when I had my back surgery. It didn't do anything for me and I stopped after 2 days.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:12 PM (ZLI7S)
Here. Try some steroids.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:12 PM (T42ki)
Her Majesty had a pretty heavy schedule of Tylenol-3 and Hydrocodone when her pain management after her knee replacement went wrong. The side effects were so ugly (I need not go into details) that all she wanted was to get better so she could stop taking the stuff.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 01:13 PM (Wx/+I)
47 million people. Last mont DEA seized, at the border, enough fentanyl
to kill 53 million people.
That's where your overdoses are coming from.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:10 PM (W54U5)
Absolutely, but IMO that's not where the addiction problem originated. We're arguing chicken vs. egg.
Also, that's not very much fentanyl when fatal doses are measured in micrograms. That what makes it so dangerous.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:13 PM (rnXGe)
When I finally got to see the doc, he went over a printout from some Texas agency with me, listing every prescription I had filled in the previous year, so the doc could see if I was faking ones from him.
I've never been arrested and I have a Texas License to Carry a handgun. Insanity.
Posted by: Gref at September 01, 2019 01:14 PM (L6Xpu)
Yeah, L4/5. Complete rupture and removal.
I couldn't get anything more than an Alleve from the fucking doctors. 6 months. All the while they dicked around with referrals, Prednisone and Physical Therapy prescriptions.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:14 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 01:14 PM (Z+IKu)
Here's some anecdotal evidence for you...I have ruptured two discs in my
life, and the idea that ibuprofen or acetaminophen would have managed
the pain is laughable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2019 01:11 PM (wYseH)
And you are putting words in my mouth. Oxycontin and fentanyl are not the only prescription pain-killers, despite what Purdue was pushing for a decade. That's my point.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:15 PM (rnXGe)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 01:16 PM (Zv1X1)
Posted by: Lawrence O'Speedwagon at September 01, 2019 01:16 PM (jh17W)
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Here. Try some steroids.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:12 PM (T42ki)
Hey, I've got an idea...
But I forgot what we were talkin' about.
Posted by: Legal Weed at September 01, 2019 01:16 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 01, 2019 01:05 PM (gH2RJ)
I disagree; and this is because I have relatives who deal with chronic pain issues as well. What has happened because of the "tightened" prescription standards is that people who have a valid need are finding it more and more difficult to get the prescriptions they need. It's easy for people who aren't in that position to think "oh you just go to your doctor, he gives you the prescription" but for most people no, it doesn't work that easily at all. And when it's obvious that it's going to be a lot easier to get what is needed off the black market, then that's the path that is taken.
It is the "tightened standards" that have caused this.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 01, 2019 01:17 PM (V2Yro)
Posted by: Rev. James Comey
How do you explain the Roundup verdict?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2019 12:42 PM (aKsyK)
In both cases: utter lack of scientific education convolved with appeals to the emotions of people who are not excessively bright.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 01, 2019 01:17 PM (gH2RJ)
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:12 PM (T42ki)
Prednisone kept me alive for years. Did horrible things to my weight though.
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 01:17 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:12 PM (xPIsN)
That 927 NNE looks attractive.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:17 PM (W54U5)
We all know the answer is "Ginsburg" anyway.
Posted by: Burger Chef at September 01, 2019 01:17 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 01, 2019 01:17 PM (V2Yro)
Good point. I hadn't thought of that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 01, 2019 01:17 PM (gH2RJ)
Posted by: Lump at September 01, 2019 01:18 PM (VIi6q)
A good couple and friends of ours lost their youngest son to an opioid overdose (injected?) three years ago. The father has been on a constant anti-opioid crusade ever since, even to the point of denying their use to someone like Mrs. K, for whom life would be constant spinal injury pain without them.
Needless to say, I haven't put the two of them in the same room for an unfettered conversation under those circumstances.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:18 PM (sQqgE)
Posted by: Lawrence O'Speedwagon at September 01, 2019 01:16 PM (jh17W)
Speaking of legal weed, does that song make even a lick of sense?
You heard it from a friend, you don't believe it, but now you're going to dump her anyway, because.... why now?
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:18 PM (cY3LT)
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Here. Try some steroids.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:12 PM (T42ki)
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Kidney stones, anyone?
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:18 PM (W54U5)
Bags filled with twenty two kilos of a powdery substance. Tested cocaine.
Had to laugh when LE said they were attempting to discover where the "bananas" originated. And that the store was probably not the intended recipient.
WOODINVILLE WEEKLY, breaking the story the Seattle Times ignores.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at September 01, 2019 01:19 PM (e1mEI)
Chinese like fentanyl cos it has no "r's" in the word...
Phen ta nyrl damn where that come from Mexico?
Posted by: saf at September 01, 2019 01:19 PM (5IHGB)
Posted by: Ho Chi Minh at September 01, 2019 01:19 PM (jh17W)
I want to get you money!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 01, 2019 01:14 PM (Z+IKu)
"You DESERVE [whatever it is you want]."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 01, 2019 01:19 PM (gH2RJ)
Any truly addictive personalities are going to get drugs no matter what, and to restrict legitimate use by millions to prevent illegitimate use by a few is as stupid as restricting the 2nd Amendment to prevent ghetto murders.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2019 01:19 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:20 PM (xPIsN)
Can anyone elaborate on why a nasa.gov URL is forbidden in the URL field here?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:20 PM (sQqgE)
The first of these that made me go "now wait a minute!!" was the 90s bullcrap "girls are ignored in school" lie. Everyone who has gone to school knows that is an utter and abject lie, but for some reason it caught on and now boys are basically marginalized and ignored in school to "make up" for the past.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 01, 2019 01:20 PM (KZzsI)
heh. Last time I had a pain free day was sophomore year of high school. As my father would say, suck it up buttercup and carry on.
He liked to practice the power of shut up and stop whining.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:20 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:21 PM (xPIsN)
They say it works for some people.
It was one of the worst months of my life. Didn't get 15 minutes of sleep while I was on that shit.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:21 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:20 PM (sQqgE)
Ummmmmmm.....No.
Posted by: Bob at the NSA at September 01, 2019 01:22 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 01, 2019 01:22 PM (6qErC)
I always took that as an internal conflict, between what he wants to believe and what he knows is the truth.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 01, 2019 01:23 PM (KZzsI)
Prayers up for you! May you be cured and pain-free.
Dad's bone cancer was secondary to prostate cancer. It was extremely painful for him. Oncologist jumped through hoops, I jumped through hoops, pharmacist jumped through hoops... between gov't and insurance, we all got our exercise in!
Posted by: JQ at September 01, 2019 01:23 PM (nIvDu)
Rub some dirt on it and walk it off.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:23 PM (T42ki)
minute!!" was the 90s bullcrap "girls are ignored in school" lie.
Everyone who has gone to school knows that is an utter and abject lie,
but for some reason it caught on and now boys are basically marginalized
and ignored in school to "make up" for the past.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 01, 2019 01:20 PM (KZzsI)
Daughter's 7th grade teacher never called on a single girl the entire school year. Only boys. I don't know what her deal was. I think she smoked on the sly too. Big no-no at a Christian school back in the day.
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (Etaa9)
"pressure gradient"
is that what you call what moved a hurricane into washington in the war of 1812 that put out the burning of the capitol and chased the away the british; or the force that is protecting the "southern white house", trump's mar a lago?
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (Pg+x7)
Well said.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (6qErC)
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I always took that as an internal conflict, between what he wants to believe and what he knows is the truth.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 01, 2019 01:23 PM (KZzsI)
I suppose that's possible. I took it as "I started writing this song, and then forgot the internal logic of it," because... weed.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (cY3LT)
It is almost as if nations and factions around the world who hate us seek to make a profit off our misery.
Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclops at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (xV6Pj)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (Pg+x7)
Whether one can learn to increase their pain tolerance or not, I do not know. But personal experience and "well I can take it!" doesn't mean others can.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 01, 2019 01:25 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 01, 2019 01:25 PM (Pg+x7)
Posted by: BurtTC
________
Of course, it makes sense to get out of a loving, trusting relationship based on fourth-hand knowledge of infidelity. Or maybe not. I don't know.
What about the end of "Cats in the Cradle"? . . . my boy is just like me . . . No, he's at home with his sick kid, taking care of his kid, spending time with his kid. Why don't you go over there and help out instead of feeling sorry for yourself? Maybe repair your relationship with your son? Or do you intend to be an absent grandfather, too?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 01:25 PM (jh17W)
Maybe everyone can switch to pot. Cures everything, no side effects and non-addictive, regardless of strength.
/s
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 01:25 PM (Wx/+I)
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:21 PM (T42ki)
Oh yes. It won't let you sleep. Now imagine what that does to a person who is manic-depressive. I painted a lot of walls.
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 01:26 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 01:26 PM (BLFnH)
Well that's probably what ACTUALLY happened, but I figure it works as a battle inside, because I know what that battle is like. Deep down you know she's wrong but you want so badly for it not to be true.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 01, 2019 01:26 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:27 PM (xPIsN)
Posted by: torabora at September 01, 2019 01:27 PM (Y274z)
/s
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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It's . . . a PLANT.
/s
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 01:27 PM (jh17W)
Posted by: BurtTC
________
Of course, it makes sense to get out of a loving, trusting relationship based on fourth-hand knowledge of infidelity. Or maybe not. I don't know.
What about the end of "Cats in the Cradle"? . . . my boy is just like me . . . No, he's at home with his sick kid, taking care of his kid, spending time with his kid. Why don't you go over there and help out instead of feeling sorry for yourself? Maybe repair your relationship with your son? Or do you intend to be an absent grandfather, too?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 01:25 PM (jh17W)
Oh man, we could seriously derail this thread bringing up songs of that era that make no damned sense.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:27 PM (cY3LT)
I roughed up my Physician.
He wouldn't release my MRIs to me.
..until I collared him and threatened to tear out his gall bladder.
What can I say? I get cranky when I don't sleep for a month.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:28 PM (T42ki)
In Delaware, a blue ribbon study panel to recommend changes in the prescribing of opioid pain meds and stuffed to the gills with "pain clinic physicians" recommended ... go ahead, guess ... that all opioid prescriptions be the exclusive purview of "pain clinic physicians".
Our legislative and executive betters bought it -- I am confident that no lobbyists' donations to said solons were involved -- so now Mrs. K has to check in monthly for a perfunctory "exam" by "pain clinic" quacks in order to have her prescriptions filled.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:28 PM (sQqgE)
Also, that's not very much fentanyl when fatal doses are measured in micrograms. That what makes it so dangerous.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
No. You've been arguing off topic from the get-go in this thread. The current problem is the "chicken" while you're obsessing over an "egg" that hatched a long time ago. Big pharma has already been nailed for their complictiy. CBD's post, and Horowitz's article (did you bother even glance at it?) are about what to do today, in the current state of the problem.
Your statement "They should be treated no different than any other drug cartel." needs to be read in reverse at this point in time.
I.e., the cartels should be treated the way feds have been treating pharma and physicians and pain patients. In the case of the current topic (if you bothered to read CBD's post), the Chicoms are acting like a cartel.
Punishing big pharma (no complaint from me over that) is fine. Except the gov. has put up "walls" between pain patients and legit prescriptions while NOT putting up a literal wall on the southern border which would help stem the flow of the black marketeers -- aided by the Chinese and Mexican governements -- who are filling the demand.
You can make a decent case to blame pharma for creating that demand, but so what? It's done and the demand still exists. Why not go after the chicoms and Mexican cartels who are filling it, so that a human prescription regime can be put in place.?
/rant off
Posted by: Hands at September 01, 2019 01:28 PM (786Ro)
Just looked at the chemical structure of fentanyl. How hard can it be to make? There aren't even any chiral centers.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 01:29 PM (Wx/+I)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 01, 2019 01:29 PM (Dh1wo)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (Pg+x7)
it's what the Chinese call "The Mandate of Heaven."
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 01, 2019 01:29 PM (V2Yro)
/s
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 01:25 PM (Wx/+I)
And everybody... I do mean everybody, who is currently smoking illegal weed will suddenly switch to the government regulated legal stuff, because everybody in the pot buying business knows if you can trust anybody, it's the government.
And nobody who doesn't already smoke it will start smoking it once it's legal.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:30 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Hands at September 01, 2019 01:30 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:30 PM (xPIsN)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:21 PM (xPIsN)
157 Coked up banana spiders ftw.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 01, 2019 01:24 PM (Etaa9)
Okay, if you approve, I will post these comments on the community bulletin board at the store. No names or id's.
Comedy gold.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at September 01, 2019 01:30 PM (e1mEI)
As one who has been on a personal injury jury its hard not to give in to a plantif when it's insurance money.
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 01:30 PM (YJxi7)
Posted by: kallisto
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When it is announced that your town now has a needle exchange, it is *not* a sign that it has become a better place to live.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 01:30 PM (xSo9G)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:30 PM (ZLI7S)
Just what was "sister Christian" motorin'?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:30 PM (sQqgE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:31 PM (xPIsN)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:03 PM (rnXGe)
I don't think you have a damn clue what you're talking about. "Back pain" happens to include severe cases like herniated discs and a myriad of other extremely painful conditions.
Fentanyl is one of the safest ways to provide controlled pain relief, especially compared to things like NSAIDs which can trash internal organs.
Posted by: Sjg at September 01, 2019 01:31 PM (gDSJf)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 01:31 PM (xSo9G)
Posted by: Emil Moresi at September 01, 2019 01:31 PM (nAFRB)
Posted by: torabora at Se
The 1%ers knows when to be quiet.
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 01:31 PM (BLFnH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:27 PM (xPIsN)
If he follows it up with one of his fact-free, fantasy-laden diatribes, he could get millions of people to ditch that shit.
Posted by: rickl at September 01, 2019 01:31 PM (sdi6R)
Yeah - not a lot of structural integrity to be found in the edifices of the Carribean.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:31 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:30 PM (ZLI7S)
A lot of new resort construction in their future.
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 01:32 PM (lwiT4)
Just looked at the chemical structure of fentanyl. How hard can it be to make? There aren't even any chiral centers.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 01:29 PM (Wx/+I)
You're right; it's not that far removed from an undergraduate lab prep.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 01, 2019 01:32 PM (gH2RJ)
Posted by: JackStraw
________
Elbow Cay, huh? I hope all the cheerleaders evacuated safely. You know, I'd be willing to open up my home . . .
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 01:32 PM (jh17W)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 01:32 PM (CDGwz)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:32 PM (xPIsN)
When the kidney stone starts moving or that sciatic nerve is pinging that drive to the doc can be a hazard to everyone's health.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:33 PM (W54U5)
I saw Coked-Up Banana Spiders open for Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars at the Cow Palace in '77 (pre-world wide web days, of course).
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:33 PM (sQqgE)
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 01, 2019 01:33 PM (V2Yro)
Posted by: kallisto at September 01, 2019 01:33 PM (4MRvZ)
I just assumed it was her running away.
'What's your price for flight?'
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:34 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 01:34 PM (YJxi7)
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 01:34 PM (lwiT4)
Not to mention not a lot of high ground. The storm surge will wash right over a lot of those islands.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:34 PM (ZLI7S)
A lot of new resort construction in their future.
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 01:32 PM (lwiT4)
Another selling point for buying Greenland from Denmark and offloading Puerto Rico in the sand deal - no hurricanes up north.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:35 PM (sQqgE)
Has anyone here used a gimbal for their cellphone videos?
What brand was it and did you like it?
Do you still use it?
Posted by: naturalfake at September 01, 2019 01:35 PM (SHtRW)
same deal
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:35 PM (sQqgE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:35 PM (xPIsN)
The Poling platform on your flats boat is the highest point on most of those Islands.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:35 PM (T42ki)
Actually if your insurance changes and drops your old doctor off the network (happens constantly, especially with BCBS) then you can wait 6 months just for an appointment for the first consulting visit to see if the new doctor will accept you as a patient.
"Not difficult" my ass.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 01, 2019 01:36 PM (V2Yro)
Yeppers, that was me last year. Broke both the fibula and tibia bones above the ankle. The doc gave me a total of 50 oxys to manage my pain once I got out of surgery. So I was going 6-8 hours between doses, breaking the doses in half, and getting drunk just so I could pass out and get some fitful sleep. Yeah.
Addict. And the doc's excuse was the crackdown by the gubmint; well it was either that or he just liked seeing me suffer.
But I helped America survive the opiod crisis. Yay me.
Fuckers.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 01, 2019 01:36 PM (Z4rgH)
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 01:36 PM (9PtLS)
Trump directed Dorian to the Bahamas to destroy it so he can sweep in and build new resorts! Emoluments! Impeach!
(now being written by some webzine columnist)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 01:37 PM (Wx/+I)
When the kidney stone starts moving or that sciatic nerve is pinging that drive to the doc can be a hazard to everyone's health.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:33 PM (W54U5)
When I got a tooth pulled a few years ago, they wouldn't let me walk out the door without an opiate prescription.
I think I still have that piece of paper around here somewhere.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:37 PM (cY3LT)
You can't find a solution to a problem without first addressing the cause. You argue for war against the Mexican and Chinese cartels so a prescription regime can be put in place and I argue that the lack of that prescription regime is one of the root causes of the problem in the first place. Besides, drug wars don't work. We already declared war on the Mexican cartels what, 40 years ago? Means nothing when the demand exists and new addicts are being created every day. Not as many as 5-10 years ago though so progress is being made on that front.
Joke about weed all you want but no one has ever OD'd on it.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:37 PM (rnXGe)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:37 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 01:03 PM (rnXGe)
One day you're going to hurt, you're going to be in pain, pain like you've never experienced. While you're laying there in the street or hopefully on the gurney, remember your words of today.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:38 PM (W54U5)
How do you survive that? That's insane.
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 01:38 PM (lwiT4)
Again, thank the Government. It's likely they didn't want to have to jump through all of the hoops at a later date, should you decide you needed them.
If you were in for the procedure, then you are qualified for the prescription.
Call up 2 days later, looking for pain relief and they have to start at square 1.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:38 PM (T42ki)
The bad guys saw an opportunity but they didn't start the fire.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 01, 2019 01:38 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:39 PM (ZLI7S)
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Actually if your insurance changes and drops your old doctor off the network (happens constantly, especially with BCBS) then you can wait 6 months just for an appointment for the first consulting visit to see if the new doctor will accept you as a patient.
"Not difficult" my ass.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 01, 2019 01:36 PM (V2Yro)
No, I think that was the point. If you need it, you gotta go through hell to get it. If you don't need it, they'll promptly peel those pieces of paper off their pads, pronto.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:39 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: RichieC at September 01, 2019 01:40 PM (a/qjW)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:41 PM (xPIsN)
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:41 PM (T42ki)
since dorian is miraculously moving off shore, i think we can conclude god wants trump to profit from the presidency. emoluments suspended!
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 01, 2019 01:41 PM (Pg+x7)
Actually if your insurance changes and drops your old doctor off the network (happens constantly, especially with BCBS) then you can wait 6 months just for an appointment for the first consulting visit to see if the new doctor will accept you as a patient.
"Not difficult" my ass.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 01, 2019 01:36 PM (V2Yro)
The assumption is that you have a primary care physician. Whether you have insurance or not you can afford to establish a relationship with one.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:42 PM (W54U5)
Posted by: An Observation at September 01, 2019 01:42 PM (x2MoO)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 01, 2019 01:42 PM (KZzsI)
He liked to practice the power of shut up and stop whining.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:20 PM (ZLI7S)
My Dad was, "shut up or I'll give you something to really whine about."
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:42 PM (sQqgE)
Post Polio motherfucks
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 01:42 PM (9PtLS)
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:43 PM (T42ki)
I slept. For more then a day I was out no drowsy or on and off dozing I was out for like thirty hours. Scared the hell out of me.
Told them to give me strong Motrin and let me go home.
Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclops at September 01, 2019 01:43 PM (xV6Pj)
First, aside from killing a number of people--a high school pitcher in Phoenix, the Los Angeles Angels pitcher Tyler Skaggs, it has wrecked the opium poppy industry in Mexico. The demand for heroin is way down, and prices for gum from opium poppies has dropped so steeply that the poppy growers can't make a living. They've switched to planting corn!
Second, it's changed the drug manufacturing and marketing industry. The Mexican cartels had focused on controlling large swaths of poppy growing territory. That took capital and large scale organizations.
Fentanyl on the other hand is now vastly more profitable than heroin, and can be done on a very small scale. So individual producers get permission (or a "license") from the cartel drug lords to fun a fentanyl lab. Apparently the chemicals to make a kilo of fentanyl cost $32,000.
That kilo of fentanyl can be turned into one million blue pills (most marked with an "M" on the side) with a U.S. street value of twenty million dollars.
Little capital, no barriers to entry (other than getting permission to operate from the local drug lord) and no quality control.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at September 01, 2019 01:43 PM (WRSbt)
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:43 PM (T42ki)
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Again, thank the Government. It's likely they didn't want to have to jump through all of the hoops at a later date, should you decide you needed them.
If you were in for the procedure, then you are qualified for the prescription.
Call up 2 days later, looking for pain relief and they have to start at square 1.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:38 PM (T42ki)
Right. Blame that on the legal structure the doctors are practicing under.
I just thought it was funny, because I kept telling them I don't want or need the prescription, and won't be getting it filled, but they almost said they wouldn't let me out the door without it.
Which again, I think is more them practicing with a lawyer looking over their shoulder, moreso than a medical decision.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:43 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2019 01:19 PM (wYseH)
There is one caveat, however: while a relatively small percentage of long-term prescription pain opioid users develop addiction, or OUD, virtually all long-term users develop physical dependence, as shown by withdrawal symptoms, and also tolerance, which means they need larger doses to control their pain, putting them at risk for overdose (respiratory depression). Meanwhile there has been a backlash against the restrictions you mention, with NEJM and JAMA leading the way.
Posted by: Caliban at September 01, 2019 01:44 PM (QE8X6)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 01:44 PM (Wx/+I)
sorry mom
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 01:44 PM (9PtLS)
How do we explain the Johnson and Johnson verdict?"
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Attorneys are shameless and juries are gullible. Cf. the career of John Edwards.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 01, 2019 01:45 PM (13CQC)
Attorneys are shameless and juries are gullible. Cf. the career of John Edwards.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Oh, present company excepted. Especially about the attorneys part.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 01, 2019 01:46 PM (13CQC)
242
to really whine about
Should have pointed out the split infinitive to him.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 01:44 PM (Wx/+I)
Har
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:46 PM (sQqgE)
Little capital, no barriers to entry (other than getting permission to operate from the local drug lord) and no quality control.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at September 01, 2019 01:43 PM (WRSbt)
One factual inaccuracy I would point out: It's not that the demand for heroin is down... most addicts would LOVE it if there was heroin available on the street, but there isn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:46 PM (cY3LT)
*Reaches into Underwear*
**Wipes Finger under your Nose**
You like Johnson or Johnson?
Posted by: Don LeMon at September 01, 2019 01:47 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at September 01, 2019 01:43 PM (WRSbt)
That's the bottom line of the new laws.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 01:47 PM (W54U5)
I've had codeine and morphine for surgeries. Neither helped much with the pain, and both caused projectile vomiting. I'll stick to naproxen, thanks -- that even knocked out the pain of my recent gout attack.
Posted by: Empire1 at September 01, 2019 01:48 PM (lDrRE)
How do we explain the Johnson and Johnson verdict?"
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Attorneys are shameless and juries are gullible. Cf. the career of John Edwards.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 01, 2019 01:45 PM (13CQC)
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This, x 1000. Remember, a town too poor to support one lawyer can always support two.
And I have my own anecdotal evidence on opiods. In Jan I had an operation. The vial I got then is still over half full. I used one earlier this summer when I twisted an ankle mowing the lawn. I don't believe most people are all that prone to addiction.
Posted by: Eeyore at September 01, 2019 01:48 PM (VaN/j)
Hurricane Andrew's storm surge was 16.9ft.
Hurricane of 1780 though is still the champion killer, between 22,000 and 27,501 died as that storm rampaged through the Antilles. 4,500 died in Barbados alone.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:48 PM (xPIsN)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:37 PM (ZLI7S)
Joe Bastardi says this will probably be the worst hurricane in the history of Grand Bahama and Abaco Islands. And they have a *lot* of history with hurricanes.
Posted by: rickl at September 01, 2019 01:48 PM (sdi6R)
This will all end once a few docs get sued for not providing pain relief for their patients.
Back in the 80s-90s there were a bunch of lawsuits because docs weren't giving out opioids of sufficient dosage for pain control in some patients.
This prescribing ever more powerful pain-relief didn't just come out of nowhere.
It was something patients wanted, so they got it.
And in most cases of severe pain it's warranted.
And certainly in the case of those dying.
This whole thing is silly.
Seal the border. Punish drug dealers at any level severely. Let docs prescribe as needed. Check any guy out who prescribing a ton of opioids. Done and done.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 01, 2019 01:49 PM (SHtRW)
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Lawyers, of one stripe or another.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 01:49 PM (CDGwz)
Now this, this is the Mexican ditch weed from back in the day. You kids have no idea. Did you know that no one got high before double albums because there was no way to clean the twigs and stems and tree roots out of that shit?
What do you mean what's an album?
Anyway, blunts, yeah. Some one of you whippersnappers thought of wrapping it in a cigar. But you use that cheap shit from the gas station, not a real cigar lovingly hand rolled on the smooth brown thigh of a Cuban virgin.
So one day Bara and I, Braka, Barki...one day this guy I worked with. The negro president, you remember him, we were talking spliffs and roaches and there was this most amazing...well you had to be there. They showd a rerun of H.R. Puffentsuff and I said Mr. President I think that's a drug reference and he just grabbed my balls the way he does and twisted them and said shut up Joey you're stoned the way he does. Boy he's a card.
So he said Joe this is just oregeno laced with PCP and what kind of asshole are you but I know his sense of humor and we haven't done PCP since 1986 so I said here Sparky, you can have the resin.
And then he bit me. I'm not sure why.
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 01, 2019 01:50 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Caliban
Yep, more than once I have taken little bro to ER from OD on pain meds prescribed for back and neck breaks. Or had a neighbor call me to come keep an eye on him overnight.
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 01:50 PM (BLFnH)
They've switched to planting corn!
Posted by: Comanche Voter
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I'm trying to think of what-all that could mean.
1 - They can sell it to the Chinese.
2 - They can replace a black market with a legit (insofar as such a thing exists in Mexico) market.
3 - Food.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 01, 2019 01:51 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 01:51 PM (CDGwz)
They must have given that generation a secret playbook. They all said this stuff.
Dad came to one my football games where I broke my hand. He was giving me a ride home after the game and I asked if he would swing by the hospital cause broken hand. He thought this was a good time to give me a lecture on toughness and tried to talk me out of the hospital.
He spent the next few days calling me Nancy and asking how my boo boo felt.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:52 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:52 PM (T42ki)
..
Thanks for your support!
Posted by: LA TIMES at September 01, 2019 01:52 PM (MAstk)
I'm trying to think of what-all that could mean.
1 - They can sell it to the Chinese.
2 - They can replace a black market with a legit (insofar as such a thing exists in Mexico) market.
3 - Food.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 01, 2019 01:51 PM (13CQC)
4 - Biofuels spiked with melamine.
Melamine is the MSG of imported Chinese industrial goods and pet foods.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 01:53 PM (sQqgE)
USA Today has an article up explaining why Dorian won't be a Cat 6...
They are already at it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 01:53 PM (xPIsN)
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 01:53 PM (6XZdO)
Posted by: lucas hood at September 01, 2019 01:54 PM (QwmrN)
Posted by: Eeyore at September 01, 2019 01:48 PM (VaN/j)
Probably not terribly relevant to this discussion, but I think it's probably true that most humans are indeed, susceptible to addiction, because the human brain will respond essentially the same way, no matter which skull it finds itself in.
However... behavior has a substantial part to play in who will and who will not load up on the substances that lead to addiction. And that is such a complex and unknowable equation, that it's probably just safe to assume the basic truism:
None of us truly knows what we are capable of, given the right set of circumstances anyone is capable of [fill in the blank here].
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:54 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 01:53 PM (6XZdO)
You have no idea what you are talking about. Tell that bullshit to doctors and patients who deal with intractable pain on a daily basis.
Posted by: lucas hood at September 01, 2019 01:55 PM (QwmrN)
OT sorry not sorry
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 01:55 PM (lwiT4)
I had a number of claimants who were weaned off of it and are no worse for the wear . Now they are just dependent on a 'safer' opiate.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 01, 2019 01:55 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: BurtTC
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I just fact-checked the song. He says he doesn't believe it, "not for a minute" . . .
. . . at 1:01 into the song, he says he doesn't want her around. So I guess it's internally consistent.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 01:56 PM (jh17W)
Posted by: lucas hood at September 01, 2019 01:56 PM (QwmrN)
Posted by: Jen the original at September 01, 2019 01:56 PM (t5/Wo)
Posted by: BurtTC
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Even in what should have been an ideal situation, I found myself incapable of differential equations.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 01:56 PM (xSo9G)
According to Star Wars: 1999 (on tv now) :
Red Sox won the World Series in 1998 against the St Louis Cardinals, and that was the last time the Red sox won the World Series until all competivie sports were banned in 2026.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 01:56 PM (IkqSn)
Hah! He must have gone to the same school my old man did.
...he broke my hand on a job site once and only grudgingly gave me the keys to his truck so I could drive myself to the Hospital.
You could see the bone sticking out of my hand!
'It's an automatic. You'll be fine.'
'And don't you dare think about taking the rest of the day off!'
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 01:56 PM (T42ki)
Mom, please don't vote for cucks any longer.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 01:57 PM (9PtLS)
Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at September 01, 2019 01:57 PM (mk9aG)
I have no doubt the doctors have to deal with patients who claim to have intractable pain on a daily basis.
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 01:57 PM (6XZdO)
The prescription was for 12 pills and I still have 8 left. I decided to hang onto it in case I ever needed it.
Posted by: rickl at September 01, 2019 01:57 PM (sdi6R)
Their goal is power. More limits on freedom.
In this case, the Freedom of the market place between Drs and their patients.
And its about Lawyers, and money. Its an out of control legal system where most of the money is going to Lawyers, and the Government itself (when States are suing drug companies for things THEY said were legal before?).
Posted by: Don Q at September 01, 2019 01:58 PM (NgKpN)
Is it odd or strange that Star Wars: 1999 was only wrong by 6 years, the Red Sox did win the WS against the StL Cardinals in 2004, not 1998?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 01:58 PM (IkqSn)
Dad came to one my football games where I broke my hand. He was giving me a ride home after the game and I asked if he would swing by the hospital cause broken hand. He thought this was a good time to give me a lecture on toughness and tried to talk me out of the hospital.
He spent the next few days calling me Nancy and asking how my boo boo felt.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2019 01:52 PM (ZLI7S)
I broke my thumb, and waited about a week before I went to see a doc. Who x-rayed it, told me it was broke, and gave me a little splint to wear.
It healed, more or less. Still bothers me sometimes, a few decades later. Looks wrong, but in the end, I'm sure glad I went to that doc, who told me it was broke.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 01:58 PM (cY3LT)
I guess it depends on the criteria, they've probably had far worse in the past, but not in terms of monetary damage and lives lost.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 01, 2019 01:59 PM (KZzsI)
Is today "Judgement Sunday"? I ask because there appear to be several such in here today.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 02:00 PM (sQqgE)
Also take note of the 70's sci-fi tv show, Star Trek: 1999, predicting the banning of all competitive sports in 2026.
I think this might come true, except the third-world poverty "sport" of soccer.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 02:00 PM (IkqSn)
(now being written by some webzine columnist)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Just when I had ambitions of making a name for myself.
*crumples first draft, tosses a brick toward the wastebasket*
Posted by: WaterCow at September 01, 2019 02:00 PM (jh17W)
Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei
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I've found that there is a correlation between the number of stars that the Chief/Sheriff wears on his collar, and the onerousness of the press conference.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 02:00 PM (xSo9G)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 02:00 PM (sQqgE)
Yes, and it continues through tomorrow because, long weekend.
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 02:00 PM (lwiT4)
I have no doubt the doctors have to deal with patients who claim to have intractable pain on a daily basis.
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 01:57 PM (6XZdO)
And the path of least resistance is to write that prescription.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 01, 2019 02:00 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: BurtTC
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I just fact-checked the song. He says he doesn't believe it, "not for a minute" . . .
. . . at 1:01 into the song, he says he doesn't want her around. So I guess it's internally consistent.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 01:56 PM (jh17W)
Heh, thanks. My faith in humanity, restored.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 02:01 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
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Not seeing the problem.
Posted by: Roy Bean at September 01, 2019 02:01 PM (xSo9G)
I have no doubt the doctors have to deal with patients who claim to have intractable pain on a daily basis.
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 01:57 PM (6XZdO)
Better yet, go explain that to my 90 year Old Mom.
Who is in such pain from arthritis, that she sometimes can't sleep, and so takes an opioid so she can.
So please explain how increasing her pain, so she can't sleep, will make her quality of life better, for the very little time she has left.
Just be ready to run from the room, if I am there.
Posted by: Don Q at September 01, 2019 02:01 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 02:02 PM (IkqSn)
I guess it depends on the criteria, they've probably had far worse in the past, but not in terms of monetary damage and lives lost.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
See, that is why we need socialist/communism. Then people wouldn't die in all this global warming! Wake up People!!
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 02:02 PM (BLFnH)
Posted by: grammie winger
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Arrrrrrrgh!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 02:02 PM (xSo9G)
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2019 02:02 PM (YJxi7)
Oh wait, is that the song you're already talking about?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 02:03 PM (IkqSn)
It should go somewhere in that range.
Posted by: Super hurricane experts with PhD's at September 01, 2019 02:03 PM (MAstk)
Posted by: BurtTC
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Even in what should have been an ideal situation, I found myself incapable of differential equations.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 01:56 PM (xSo9G)
Well yes, of course. There are exceptions to every rule.
Try to get me to eat boiled okra. Or spinach. I would die first.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 02:03 PM (cY3LT)
Now we have the widespread promotion of Narcan, so every overdoser impacts the system ten times in his life, instead of only once. When they are revived, some of them are actually angry for having their buzz killed.
Treatment doesn't work, prohibition doesn't work, but that does not stop us from spending zillions of dollars on them.
Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at September 01, 2019 02:03 PM (mk9aG)
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 02:04 PM (6XZdO)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 02:03 PM (IkqSn)
Yes
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 02:04 PM (cY3LT)
You heard it from a friend who...
heard it from a friend who...
Posted by: Soothsayer
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"Eye of the Tiger" by Night Ranger?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 02:04 PM (jh17W)
..
He should have said *recorded* history.
Which is around 125 years out of 6 billion?
And how reliable were their measurements 100 yrs ago?
Posted by: Super hurricane experts with PhD's at September 01, 2019 02:05 PM (MAstk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 02:05 PM (xSo9G)
winds of 185 mph. That place is going to be utterly destroyed".--
Posted by: JackStraw
I'm seeing insane wind speeds being recorded: NASA reports gusts over 200 mph. Pressure has dropped to a scary 911 mb.
If that storm doesn't weaken significantly it's going to do massive damage to the Carolina coast; there are thousands of multi-million dollar homes in gated communities on the sea islands alone, not to mention everyone else.
Posted by: Anonymous 7 at September 01, 2019 02:05 PM (bTFHX)
Okay, then.
What's the song that goes For all the who you been through, I will make it up to you...
I promise you?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 02:05 PM (IkqSn)
Demonizing people who rely on medication is equally so, IMO. Lord knows I hear enough about psych meds to make me want to scratch somebody.
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 02:05 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: Burger Chef at September 01, 2019 02:05 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Super hurricane experts with PhD's at September 01, 2019 02:03 PM (MAstk)
Who tell you the high temperature on July 18, 2065 will be 103 degrees.
Models! Turn control of your life over to us.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 02:06 PM (Wx/+I)
I actually wanted to hear from LE, but there's the damn governor droning on and on. What the heck useful do _politicians_ have to contribute to a news conf like this?
I tuned in late; did they even NAME the shooter yet?
Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at September 01, 2019 02:06 PM (mk9aG)
They've switched to planting corn!
Posted by: Comanche Voter
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I'm trying to think of what-all that could mean.
1 - They can sell it to the Chinese.
2 - They can replace a black market with a legit (insofar as such a thing exists in Mexico) market.
3 - Food.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 01, 2019 01:51 PM (13CQC)
So you're OK with the cartels switching to fentanyl?
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 02:06 PM (W54U5)
It seemed to come from nowhere. I think Trump wants to buy Greenland as a hurricane nursery. That way, he can get whatever real estate he wants for cheap.
Posted by: pep at September 01, 2019 02:06 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 01, 2019 01:16 PM (Zv1X1)'
I have high pain tolerance, but bad chemo reactions and weeks of painful, full body rash brought me to uncontrollable sobbing. Tell me why I should tolerate intolerable pain.
Posted by: the Cork at September 01, 2019 02:06 PM (Izezt)
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I'm less disturbed about that than I might be.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 01, 2019 02:06 PM (xSo9G)
Posted by: Super hurricane experts with PhD's
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To within 0.01 degrees Celsius going back 600 million years.
Posted by: Michael Mann (the climate one, not the movie one) at September 01, 2019 02:06 PM (jh17W)
What's the song that goes For all the who you been through, I will make it up to you...
I promise you?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 02:05 PM (IkqSn)
Horton Hears a Who?
Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2019 02:06 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: JT at September 01, 2019 02:06 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 01:57 PM (6XZdO)
You're literally commenting on a post about prescriptions being less of a problem that people like you are willing to admit.
Posted by: Sjg at September 01, 2019 02:07 PM (gDSJf)
On an unrelated subject - I am sitting outside under pine trees while taking a break from working in the garden -- why is it that the sound of wind blowing through pine trees (specifically) is substantially different from the sound of wind blowing through leaves on deciduous trees?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 01, 2019 02:07 PM (sQqgE)
Officially the records for Atlantic hurricanes only go back to 1851. So everything about the 1780 storm is a rough guess except many many many people were killed.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 02:07 PM (xPIsN)
Posted by: kallisto at September 01, 2019 02:07 PM (QvAgz)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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I've been shouting that at Macys ads for years.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 02:07 PM (jh17W)
going to do massive damage to the Carolina coast; there are thousands of
multi-million dollar homes in gated communities on the sea islands
alone, not to mention everyone else.
Posted by: Anonymous 7
I hope you've been saving up, because you'll be paying to rebuild them.
Posted by: pep at September 01, 2019 02:08 PM (T6t7i)
The amount of information imparted at a press conference is inversely proportional to the number of people standing behind the podium.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 02:08 PM (Wx/+I)
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5e8k8qk
If you click on the earth tab in lower left you get a view options menu. If you view winds in the upper atmosphere, Dorian has no effect.
Posted by: Gref at September 01, 2019 02:08 PM (L6Xpu)
Posted by: JT at September 01, 2019 02:09 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Michael Mann (the climate one, not the movie one)
That's based on tree rings, which no, you can't see. Also the anal opening size of flatworms. You know, to check his work.
Posted by: pep at September 01, 2019 02:09 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 02:10 PM (9PtLS)
Posted by: JT at September 01, 2019 02:09 PM (arJlL)
"And I Love Her"
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 02:10 PM (lwiT4)
Ooh, ooh! Mistah Kottah, Mistah Kottah!
Because leaves and needles are different?
Posted by: Horshack at September 01, 2019 02:10 PM (fuK7c)
PS - you can navigate as in Google Earth. Use mouse wheel to zoom in/out, drag to move around the globe.
Posted by: Gref at September 01, 2019 02:10 PM (L6Xpu)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 01, 2019 02:11 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: pep
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Doubting me is like saying the Holocaust never happened! Exact same thing!!
Posted by: Michael Mann (the at September 01, 2019 02:12 PM (jh17W)
Posted by: kallisto at September 01, 2019 02:12 PM (QvAgz)
I had hydrocodone pump after abdominal surgery. I didn't hurt, but I hit the button a lot just to see what it would feel like. All it did was turn minutes into hours; not a 'recreational' experience. Being attached to the infuser made the hospital restrict me to travel only one floor, because "narcotics."
I am also immune to poison ivy. However, nettles and wild parsnip burn me up. Looking now for a giant hogweed buzz.
Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at September 01, 2019 02:13 PM (mk9aG)
Nice. I love Grandmaster Flash.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 02:13 PM (T42ki)
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The reason Purdue lost the lawsuit and J&J were so quick to happily settle theirs is the mountain of evidence that they knowingly pushed out as much of those drugs as possible and gave incentives to doctors to prescribe them when better alternatives exists. Email trails between manufacturing and drug reps that would make your average Columbian cartel member cringe. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 02:14 PM (Cp7Qy)
That's a mighty tall horse you're riding. Careful you don't fall off.
Posted by: JQ at September 01, 2019 02:14 PM (Ydn2k)
People like me? What does that mean? It's funny how touchy some people are about opiates. They are happy pills that cause addiction. I know this from experience!
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 02:14 PM (6XZdO)
927 has moved much farther west. At the FL/SC border.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 02:15 PM (W54U5)
Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at September 01, 2019 02:15 PM (mk9aG)
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 02:16 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: JT at September 01, 2019 02:09 PM (arJlL)
"And I Love Her"
Posted by: grammie winger
Thanks !
I just got back from trudging.
And hiya Grammie !
Posted by: JT at September 01, 2019 02:17 PM (arJlL)
People like me? What does that mean? It's funny how touchy some people are about opiates. They are happy pills that cause addiction. I know this from experience!
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 02:14 PM (6XZdO)
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Listen up people, Jay gave the grammar/syntax lesson yesterday.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 02:17 PM (W54U5)
The amount of information imparted at a press conference is
inversely proportional to the number of people standing behind the
podium.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 02:08 PM (Wx/+I)
+++So thoroughly true. The higher number of the "posse" behind the speaker, the weaker the proclamation.
Posted by: washrivergal at September 01, 2019 02:18 PM (9+jnX)
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 02:18 PM (lwiT4)
When I was 6 years old I discovered how different we all are. Discovering still.
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 02:18 PM (9PtLS)
Posted by: Super hurricane experts with PhD's at September 01, 2019 02:18 PM (MAstk)
Posted by: kallisto at September 01, 2019 01:33 PM (4MRvZ)'
Thanks.
Posted by: the Cork at September 01, 2019 02:18 PM (Izezt)
Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2019 02:19 PM (BLFnH)
Not me! But I'm not going to pretend that long term opiate use isn't addiction.
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 02:19 PM (6XZdO)
The point of mentioning the multi-million dollars homes is that the dollar damage from this storm is going to be enormous for that reason alone.
Posted by: Anonymous 7 at September 01, 2019 02:19 PM (bTFHX)
Problem with that sweeping "Everybody needs to do ___" sort of demand is that it is utterly foolish.
You would have to get every element along the way to take part in it.
The LEOs have to be on board, not on board in the corrupt way (which many are), but willing in the sense that if a dealer is going to be pounded, they are going to resist arrest a whole lot more, which means huge increases in violence to stay out of prison. After BLM and the government that doesn't support its street goons, that isn't going to happen at the local, state or federal level.
Second, you have judges that are really activists and hard core racists who look at the typical dealer demographic and look at them as simple minded pets that crapped on the rug and only need to be hit on the nose with a newspaper. Dealers won't get sentenced.
Third, when you have a high stakes punishment, you also have high stakes defense. Expect plenty of bribery, corruption and graft from every level along the prosecutorial plane.
Fourth, you have dimwitted and emotionally driven juries who will take pity upon the drug dealer, and on the drug dealer's mother because poor Jamal is the only one of her dozen offspring that can afford her diabetes medicine, and throwing him in jail, she will likely die.
Fifth, expect illegal drugs to get more expensive, and along with that a huge increase in violence as high profits start attracting players who passed it up for something else now interested in coming in.
With the increase in violence, expect the Left to whine, bitch and moan about high incarceration rates of certain favored demographics, they will do all kinds of evil to release these criminals and the pendulum will swing back towards leniency as their propaganda is easily consumed by a depraved public.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 01, 2019 02:19 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 02:16 PM (lwiT4)
I tend to agree. However if we were to legalize everything then we'd better be prepared to deal with the consequences. The homeless problem in LA and Portland everywhere (but probably worse). Stepping over corpses when you walk down the sidewalk. There has to be a balance or we're no longer living in a civilized society.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 02:19 PM (Cp7Qy)
Assuming nothing else changes like the High collapsing and Dorian having time to suck up the released energy.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 02:19 PM (xPIsN)
Well, I'm sure that fining the f*ck out of them will solve the problem once and for all. All that money will be diverted into the usual pols' and lawyers' pockets, and futile useless "solutions," and just plain routine waste.
Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at September 01, 2019 02:20 PM (mk9aG)
It was a jury full of gullible saps being told that evil Big Corporation did bad things to people and the only way to make it right is to give our law firm hundreds of millions of dollars.
Just like Monsanto and round-up.
Just like talcum powder.
Class action lawsuits are shakedown rackets.
Posted by: Sjg at September 01, 2019 02:20 PM (gDSJf)
Not to make light of the matter, but if Dorian wipes out Obama's new mansion and nothing else, I would laugh myself silly.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 01, 2019 02:21 PM (Wx/+I)
Posted by: JQ at September 01, 2019 01:23 PM (nIvDu)'
Thanks, I hope your Dad was cured.
Posted by: the Cork at September 01, 2019 02:22 PM (Izezt)
I want sushi.
But, I have a head of pizza dough that needs to be used.
So. Pepperoni Pizza.
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 02:22 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 02:19 PM (6XZdO)
Virtue noted.
Screw yourself.
Posted by: Sjg at September 01, 2019 02:22 PM (gDSJf)
..
Good question.
Posted by: US Govt pumping in billions at September 01, 2019 02:22 PM (MAstk)
@325 How am I going to be paying to rebuild them? I don't live anywhere
near there. My house insurance rates would scarcely be affected since my
insurance company doesn't cover that area of the country
Do you pay taxes?
Posted by: pep at September 01, 2019 02:22 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 01, 2019 02:23 PM (2DOZq)
Did any of those drugs that were sold by Pharmacies and Prescribed by Doctors NOT come with all of the warnings and guidlines, right on the fucking bottle?
Posted by: garrett at September 01, 2019 02:24 PM (T42ki)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 02:24 PM (xPIsN)
Posted by: Burger Chef at September 01, 2019 02:24 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 01, 2019 02:24 PM (IkqSn)
Posted by: Super hurricane experts with PhD's at September 01, 2019 02:24 PM (MAstk)
Posted by: grammie winger at September 01, 2019 02:25 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 02:19 PM (Cp7Qy)
Give it a rest.
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 02:25 PM (W54U5)
No it really wasn't. There was actual evidence. Emails describing their strategy to sell as many of these pills as possible for every symptom they could dream up. Other emails describing the potential future problems and long-term consequences - with laughter. They didn't give a shit. Who knows what J&J found in their discovery preparations, but they settled pretty damned quick hoping to avoid turning any of those docs over.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 01, 2019 02:25 PM (Cp7Qy)
Posted by: Anonymous 7
________
You need to have the technology. You can rebuild them. You can make them better than they were before.
Posted by: TV narrator circa 1974 at September 01, 2019 02:26 PM (jh17W)
Posted by: Sue them for advertising baby powder at September 01, 2019 02:26 PM (W54U5)
thank goodness
Posted by: grammie winger
________
So, no more commenting about old rock and roll here?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 02:28 PM (jh17W)
What virtue!? I am not judging the victims. I'm just stating the fact that opiates and opioids are nasty drugs.
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 02:28 PM (6XZdO)
Posted by: Anonymous 7 at September 01, 2019 02:28 PM (bTFHX)
Posted by:
Grump928(C)
at September 01, 2019 02:28 PM (yQpMk)
For the 72 to 75 seasons The Hurricane and Its Impact looks at four models.
12 hours out, the models were 84 to 97Km off.
24 hours out, 187 to 221Km off.
36 hours out, 478 to 539Km off.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 01, 2019 02:29 PM (xPIsN)
Usually the best thing to do is to turn one's attention to people who have problems that can actually be solved. Triage. Nothing could ever help my skid-row drunk sister, and I had to turn my back on her decades ago. My cousin is going the same way. I give him help, he gives me spite.
Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at September 01, 2019 02:29 PM (mk9aG)
I think your definition of "addicts" is much narrower than mine.
Posted by: Chris M at September 01, 2019 02:31 PM (6XZdO)
Posted by: Super hurricane experts with PhD's at September 01, 2019 02:32 PM (MAstk)
Posted by: lucas hood at September 01, 2019 01:54 PM (QwmrN)
--------
That's what I gave Mrs Monkey last night
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 01, 2019 02:32 PM (flINI)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
Apparently you haven't pinched a nerve - yet.
Posted by: DaveA at September 01, 2019 02:33 PM (FhXTo)
And his near-constant jeremiad against the collapse of the rule of law, the constitutional system, and especially the disastrous usurpations of the judiciary are actually *under-stated*, amazingly enough.
It's the most important, completely unaddressed dysfunction that form the core of issues which together made Trump possible, which created a critical mass of voters nearly desperate to see policy finally reflect popular will and preference. The key broken link [aside from the continuing brazen defiance of the GOP].
And as Horowitz details, and laments, constantly, there is no sign of any change whatever from this administration. It's 1OO% instant robotic deference to *any* court action of *any* kind, however clearly lawless, baseless, and unconstitutional. The legal cult mindlessly regards this as the rule of law, when it is the opposite. It is ridiculous and indefensible, but there are at most a handful of people of any importance who understand this. Not including almost any in the judiciary itself.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 02:33 PM (QDnY+)
From Dick to Drugs and everything on gods green acres.Is it fun yet or can we get us some smuggled meteor dust and moon rocks, can't wait to see what they get on Mars.
GO FOR THE GUSTO GOOFBALLS and give the legits
an appropriate painkiller well monitored while I feed my Unicorn.
Posted by: saf at September 01, 2019 02:35 PM (5IHGB)
Posted by: DaveA
________
I know what happens after that! Do you want a prediction?
Posted by: Clubber Lang at September 01, 2019 02:36 PM (jh17W)
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 02:40 PM (9PtLS)
Because leaves and needles are different?
Posted by: Horshack at September 01, 2019
[cough; cough, gurgle] ugh...
Posted by: Epstein at September 01, 2019 02:43 PM (Dh1wo)
Posted by: Grump928(C)
at September 01, 2019 02:28 PM (yQpMk)'
Count me as one of the not-shocked in the least. That's one reason they're going after the sick instead of the criminals.
Posted by: the Cork at September 01, 2019 02:45 PM (Izezt)
1) Find new-to-you stuff. Find an old album from an old band and go deep into the albums.
2) Find new stuff from old acts. Winger put out some good stiff in 2014, as did Judas Priest in 2018. Saxon is still Saxon.
3) Find a different genre. The electronic has been decent for the last decade or so, though it, too, is stagnating.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 02:45 PM (jh17W)
Thank you. Dad was mercifully delivered from all his pain in June.
Posted by: JQ at September 01, 2019 02:45 PM (NAs56)
Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2019 02:46 PM (jh17W)
THE LION SLEEPS TONIGHT
good shit great white hunter.
Posted by: saf at September 01, 2019 02:47 PM (5IHGB)
But to step back and look at the actual overall problem - opiate deaths/disability due to illegal, cartel-provided, borderless-"sanctuary"-chaos-enabled smuggling vs. the ills stemming from legal, prescribed opioids - isn't it even more dramatically unbalanced than, say, rifles vs. handguns in violent crime? As in a huge multiple of one to the other? Horowitz I think mentions this a lot but I tend to skip over the details of the opioid topic, so don't have the #s.
Doesn't mean the legal side is not a problem, even a crisis of its own - but as usual, the border-security, cartel [including "jail break" "reform"], and mass illegal migration disasters completely dwarf everything else as factors in the total body count.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2019 02:49 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Aelishdad at September 01, 2019 02:53 PM (o7/ug)
Posted by: Lump at September 01, 2019 01:18 PM (VIi6q)
Fun fact: when you're employed in a position that allows for random drug testing, testing positive for a medication that you're not *currently* being prescribed--regardless if it's leftovers from a previous, lawful prescription--is grounds for termination.
Were it not for that fact, I would've had pain pills available to me that were worth a damn for the weeks-long, tears-inducing back and neck pain I suffered this past January. The stuff that the doc-in-the-box prescribed me at the time was complete and utter shit.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at September 01, 2019 02:55 PM (DTX3h)
Now I am working on my liver.
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 03:04 PM (9PtLS)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 01, 2019 12:46 PM (dKiJG)
He also suggests that every CEO currently doing business with China should be publicly asked the question why they continue to do business with the world's largest manufacturer/purveyor of illegal drugs that kill tens of thousands of Americans every year. If it's to make a little money, then OK, just say so. Then we'll know what your priorities are.
Posted by: Marie Osmond for Nutrisystem at September 01, 2019 03:07 PM (NMAzL)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 01, 2019 03:08 PM (NMAzL)
Posted by: Aelishdad at September 01, 2019 02:53 PM (o7/ug)
It's not an invented crisis. It's real.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 01, 2019 03:09 PM (NMAzL)
As what's his name said in Die Kinda Hard 14,
Data motherfuckers.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 03:13 PM (9PtLS)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 01, 2019 03:26 PM (NMAzL)
The latter is why the former will never happen.
Posted by: wooga at September 01, 2019 03:44 PM (e/VXN)
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 01, 2019 03:48 PM (9PtLS)
He gave me Norco, which worked, when I had a couple of bad broken bones, but I felt no addiction. Is Norco even an opiod? If so, it must be really an individual thing to get hooked.
Posted by: pj at September 01, 2019 03:58 PM (qlTN9)
Loving the DEA, or ANY ONE OF THE FEDERAL DRUG LAWS, is in exact opposition to loving the constitution. They are mutually exclusive ideas. Do pretend you believe in the Constitution or America as Founded if you continue to hold to support this nonsense.
The real way to deal with this is to let the Chinese ship synthetic drugs to us. label them and tariff them appropriately, and let everyone know what it is they are buying. That way they can either stick with booze, find something else, or take an informed risk on a very potent drug.
The War On Drugs doesn't work. It has never worked. It never will work. It fails for all the same reasons socialism fails (As it is, in fact, an aspect of nanny-state socialism). Human nature doesn't change, and humans enjoy getting drunk (or high, or backed or buzzed...pick your favorite drug).
Posted by: MrShad at September 01, 2019 05:33 PM (IJsa1)
And just on an economic basis--as in any former Mexican ranch hand can look at a You Tube video, borrow $32 K and make a kilo of fentanyl--the low cost producer always wins or finds a way to win.
McShad argues that the way to "win" the War on Drugs is to surrender--and make the stuff legally available at low cost. I think they called that "soma" in George Orwell's novel 1984.
I'm not certain that solution would work, a nation full of zonked out brain dead or dying people won't produce much.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at September 01, 2019 05:52 PM (WRSbt)
Sheeple are more easily controlled if they're stupified.
Posted by: JQ at September 01, 2019 09:45 PM (gP/Z3)
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