Gun Thread: Time Flies! [Weasel]

Happy Gun Thread Birthday!

Would you believe it's been a year? Yep, that's right, this is the 52nd Gun Thread by yours truly, so Happy Birthday, or Anniversary (or whatever) to you all! August 26, 2018 will forever be known as a date of infamy in literary and shooting history. Oh, we've laughed, we've cried, and argued nicely among ourselves, but we have also had a generally good time too, I think. I always try and say this in the comments, but thank you all for tuning in each week and making this what I hope is a fun place to hang out and discuss gun matters large and small. I really do appreciate all the kind words and encouragement, but most importantly, I appreciate the time you decide to spend here each week. No shit. And a special thanks to Mr. Of Spades for allowing us the space to destroy, and to Mr. Dildo for only charging me the discounted fee of $25 per thread. This week's check is in the mail, Amigo.

Now let's get to the gun stuff, shall we?

Last week we talked about flying with guns, and the additional steps necessary to check a weapon with your baggage. Towards the end of the post I referred to something which, all kidding aside, is actually a potentially serious matter. What if, through no fault of your own, you find yourself behind enemy lines in a jurisdiction which doesn't appreciate your 2nd Amendment rights as much as you do?

From last week:

Q: What happens if my flight is diverted to a hostile jurisdiction such as New York or New Jersey - will I go to jail?
A: I don't know, it's never happened to me.
Here's a skerry article from the NRA-ILA which states in part:
Special advisory for New York & New Jersey airports: Despite federal law that protects travelers, authorities at JFK, La Guardia, Newark, and Albany airports have been known to enforce state and local firearm laws against airline travelers who are passing through their jurisdictions. In some cases, even persons traveling in full compliance with federal law have been arrested or threatened with arrest. FOPA's protections have been substantially narrowed by court decisions in certain parts of the country, particularly in the Northeast. Persons traveling through New York and New Jersey airports may want to consider shipping their firearms to their final destinations rather than bringing them through airports in these jurisdictions.
I think the risk of an inadvertent stop in one of these jurisdictions is probably small, but if it's more likely based on your circumstances and itinerary, you may want to consider making other arrangements, or bring your attorney with you on the trip.

This part of the thread elicited a couple of great replies, which I think are important enough to repeat here rather than being lost in the comments. This first was from Village Idiot's Apprentice who said:

The New York/New Jersey part applies in particular to a passenger traveling lawfully through any of those airports, and their connecting flight is delayed, requiring the passenger to take temporary possession of their luggage, usually for overnight.
You take your checked baggage, and go to hotel, even on the airport property, and you now are illegally in possession of a prohibited firearm.
If delayed in NY/NJ... do NOT take possession of your luggage containing your firearm. Require the airline to retain possession of it, overnight if need be, and have them place it on your connecting flight without it ever being back in your physical possession during your delay.

And the next, towards the end of the evening, was from none other than Andrew Branca of The Law of Self Defense:

Q: What happens if my flight is diverted to a hostile jurisdiction such as New York or New Jersey - will I go to jail?
Correct Answer: Do not under any circumstances so much as touch the bag with the gun in it. The moment you do, you're in unlawful possession of the firearm, and the authorities will be more than happy to prosecute accordingly. Inform the airline that they are to remain in possession of the bag until it reaches a destination where it is lawful for you to possess a gun, presumably your final destination. An airline, as a "common carrier" can get in no trouble for having the gun in NY or NJ or CA or wherever, but YOU certainly CAN. For this reason it is best to NOT pack your gun along with other stuff you will desperately need when you land, such as medications, travel documents, etc.

Very useful advice to file away for when you need it. Mucho thanks to you both for bitch-slapping us with that knowledge!

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Here's a great idea for a thread, but I need your help. Thanks to Tonypete for sending this in!

An idea for a possible gun thread: CCW insurance programs and the pluses and minuses of those we are familiar with. I know there are a dozen or so to choose from, but how does one choose one that is right for the individual Moron?

To tell you the truth, this is something I've thought about personally for a long time, but have never acted on. I'd like to hear from you all on the ones you might have chosen, and why. I'll take the most popular and do a side by side comparison and try and come up with a top pick. Sound bueno? Either tell us all in the comments or drop me a note if you prefer to remain anonymous. Thanks!

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You will recall NeonMadMan had cateract surgery a couple of weeks ago, and agreed to share updates on how it's affected his shooting.

I had cataract surgery, which did a remarkable job of correcting my distance vision, but my near vision was blurry - because cataract surgery essentially implants new lenses fixed for distance vision only. My doctor worked up a prescription for progressive bifocals, essentially +2.5 readers in the bottom for near work (like the tablet and books), fading to near-clear glass in the top with a very slight correction for astigmatism. These work well - I can easily use my handgun sights again, as well as see the target clearly, with just minor adjustments in my viewing angle. Anyone else out there using bifocals will know exactly what I mean. I am very pleased with the glasses. And yes, I have been to the range - attached is a sample target - 25 feet, two handed hold, shooting an old S&W K-38 in single action mode.

NeonMadMan is Back!

Damn, dude! This is some nice shooting! I think we'll all agree we'd be pleased with this result under any conditions!

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Link-O-Rama

Euro Optic is Having a Big Sale! [H/T redc1c4]
VIDEO: Jerry Miculek on Pistols (25+ min)
Lucky Gunner Article: Handgun Grip Fundamentals
Springfield Armory: Shooting Tips
NSSF VIDEO: Semi-Auto Pistol Grip
VIDEO: Jerry Miculek on Revolver Grip (30+ min)
wtf NASCAR?

***Mail Bag***

OK, so I've been harping on practice and one handed shooting and just getting out of your comfort zone and trying something different during your range time. Well guess who took me seriously and did her homework? Our pal and delightdul 'ette Satrose that's who!

I have had some non life threatening medical issues this last year, which involve severe bouts of vertigo. Not conducive to going to the range to shoot, nor actually safe to shoot. (This is my excuse for the crappy shooting you will see in a minute.) But this week I am able to walk in a straight line so I went to the range. And I started thinking of the “practice like you will do in reality “ adage - and how it relates to us ladies and our jewelry. I never go to the range with my rings on. I shoot tournaments with a silicon band only, if that. But if I have to defend myself, chances are I will have jewelry on. “Hold on while I take my rings off” is not really an option. (The same reality applies to high heels and tight skirts/jeans/dresses, but thats another whole issue.)
So….. I decided to shoot with my rings on, cold, no warm up, after having not shot in … well awhile. Like a month or two? I used my home defense gun, a Springfield Armory XD -9. I went in, and loaded five rounds in several magazines. Then I shot (no warm ups, no “mental thinking” time) from a low ready. The distances were 3 yards, 7 yards, 10 yards and 15 yards. I would shoot, pull the target back in, put black sticky dots over the holes, then send out to the next distance. Low ready, shoot, repeat. Steady firing pace, not slow but not "Youtube five shots in two seconds" either.
What I discovered:
1. I need to get to the range more! Well duh on that one.
2. The rings I had on actually made me really grip tighter, surprisingly, and that was a good thing. It was not comfortable at all but it was doable.
3. I realized what I had to fix grip wise with rings on, which was the purpose of the exercise.
A Range Officier came by and gave me a hug. (I am the honorary grandmother of all the guys) He commented that I should consider doing this for about 50 rounds and then take the rings off to concentrate on other shooting mechanics. His rationale was that “you will only unload one magazine with your rings on in a real life situation”. Huh. Okay, I see the sense in that because after awhile my fingers did start to swell a little.
So that was my adventure at the range. I will definitely repeat with my concealed carry, a Sig Saur P238.

So here are the results at 7 yards with rings on:

7 yards with rings on

and here's a look at 15 yards with rings off:

15 yards with rings off

Great job, Satrose! I'd take either set, and you're very smart to be thinking about how external factors might influence your shooting. It's the same logic as practicing single and off-hand shooting. Also, hope you're feeling better. Very nice and thanks for sending these in!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 bang!

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:00 PM (gi85U)

2 First!

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:00 PM (gi85U)

3 1

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:01 PM (wFn+Y)

4 Sponge?

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:01 PM (gi85U)

5 Durn you redc.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:01 PM (wFn+Y)

6 Crap, was playing with a picture missed first

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 07:01 PM (BbGew)

7 I have a new friend, Enzo, my Beretta 81

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmGu6QhB

It was an impulse buy, I don't even have an .32acp, but it was just too pretty to pass up.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 25, 2019 07:03 PM (yQpMk)

8 On the other hand haved been practicing left handed only loading on my 1911, found out its not a bad left handed weapon, any thoughts on that from left handed shooters?

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 07:03 PM (BbGew)

9 Happy anniversary, Weasel. Not a gun guy per se, but I read it every weekend. Also, enjoy your writing. Quite gifted for a numbers guy, if I have that correctly.

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 25, 2019 07:04 PM (qJeBn)

10 Happy anniversary, Weasel. Not a gun guy per se, but I read it every weekend. Also, enjoy your writing. Quite gifted for a numbers guy, if I have that correctly.

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 25, 2019 07:04 PM (qJeBn)
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Why thank you, olddog! And yup, that's right.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:05 PM (MVjcR)

11 Classic Firearms is selling Beretta 81's, iirc.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:06 PM (gi85U)

12 Several weeks ago I had some questions on cleaning suppressors. Specifically .22 with a build up of "crap" in the baffles.

Any ideas?

I'm fine with a regular solvent and/or oil, but which?

The baffles BTW are aluminum or some such shit.

Apologies if this was already answered. I'm old and don't remember shit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2019 07:06 PM (3H9h1)

13 Hey everybody.

I found this list a few weeks ago. I wanted to ask if in the Horde's opinion any of these are worth owning.

https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:07 PM (L2ZTs)

14 Classic Firearms is selling Beretta 81's, iirc.

Yesterday they had the Ruger 556 on sale for $449. I almost pulled the trigger on one, so to speak.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 25, 2019 07:07 PM (yQpMk)

15 A whole year. Boy, Weasel, you have jam packed us with knowledge. I am truly thankful.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:08 PM (wFn+Y)

16 Top 40! My life has meaning!

Posted by: Meaningless Life at August 25, 2019 07:08 PM (fOqG5)

17 no new gubs here, but herself ordered a BORS and scope set for her Barrett...

now all i need is a bore brush for it and the Steyr (416 and 460) and can both go to the range for barrel break in and scope zeroing.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:08 PM (gi85U)

18 Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2019 07:06 PM (3H9h1)
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Does regular gun cleaning stuff like Hoppes 9 not work? My buddy with all the Class III stuff says they're a pain to clean.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

19 Any thoughts on NFA Trusts for suppressors? I've read that they've been watered down in recent years and aren't really as useful as they used to be. Also, what if you want to add members to the trust who live in different states? Does that matter?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:08 PM (rnXGe)

20 nice cake

Posted by: grammie winger at August 25, 2019 07:08 PM (lwiT4)

21 Congrats on the big anniversary, Weasel. Oh, and I didn't bring a gift.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2019 07:08 PM (amw5z)

22 A whole year. Boy, Weasel, you have jam packed us with knowledge. I am truly thankful.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:08 PM (wFn+Y)
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Thank you! I really expected to be kicked off the air long before this point!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

23 Hey everybody.

I found this list a few weeks ago. I wanted to ask if in the Horde's opinion any of these are worth owning.

https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:07 PM (L2ZTs)

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yes: get at least one of each.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM (gi85U)

24 Speaking of guns, hope folks don't mind if I bring up the topic of REALLY big guns...

Has DoD *ever* confirmed or denied whether there are nuclear weapons at the Seal Beach Naval Weapons facility in California?

I pass by there at least once a week as part of my job. As I understand it, no one will talk about whether or not they actually have nukes there (which kinda makes sense to be honest).

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM (L2ZTs)

25
Birthversiary Day?

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe & Emporium is 21SEP19
in Chelsea, MI
details soon
at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM (YjJuz)

26 I purchased a new pistol and rifle from Grabagun and added an LCP II as an impulse buy. I didn't inspect it much when picking it up from the FFL and discovered after I got home that the LCP II was missing the entire extractor assembly (extractor, extractor pin and spring). I contacted Ruger with the sn# and they're sending the missing parts. I can't imagine how that happened.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM (rnXGe)

27 red, thanks for the tip :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM (L2ZTs)

28 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2019 07:08 PM (amw5z)
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No worries - and thanks Cicero! Please help yourself to cake.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

29 Weasel, that cake is making my teeth hurt. Now to read content.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2019 07:11 PM (UUkQp)

30 To PDT, Ace, the cob-loggers, to Weasel, He Who Brings the Gun Thread, and to the Horde !

Health, long life, prosperity, and the 2nd Amendment forever !

*makes toast gesture with glass^

Confusion to our enemies !

Victory !

*downs the shot, follows with long pull at the beer*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 25, 2019 07:11 PM (XNDy+)

31 I test-fired the new PC-9 yesterday. The bolt hung up on the Glock magazine insert a couple of times; I'm not thrilled with that but we'll see if it was a "new gun" thing or a persistent problem.

As for shooting 1911s and being left-handed, I have a Remington R1911 with an ambidextrous Wilson Combat safety that works just fine.

Posted by: PabloD at August 25, 2019 07:11 PM (s25nj)

32 Shooter's Choice is great stuff, eats crud right off your gub, but a tad pricey.

Hoppe's ought to w*rk.

or mix up a batch of Ed's Red.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:12 PM (gi85U)

33 I have gun trust for my mufflers. I have my wife and children listed as alternate trustees. Mainly for probate purposes.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 25, 2019 07:12 PM (yQpMk)

34 http://www.gunsandgunsmiths.com/eds-red/

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:12 PM (gi85U)

35 Don't think I want to know what that cake is intended to reveal.

Posted by: aelfheld at August 25, 2019 07:12 PM (Zy9Yy)

36 Mmm, cake tastes like blue steel...

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:13 PM (L2ZTs)

37 Birthversiary Day?

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe & Emporium is 21SEP19
in Chelsea, MI
details soon
at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM (YjJuz)
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I was trying to come up with something like that. Look forward to meeting you in Texas!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

38 I pass by there at least once a week as part of my
job. As I understand it, no one will talk about whether or not they
actually have nukes there (which kinda makes sense to be honest).

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM (L2ZTs)

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of course they have nukes there...

sometimes, anyway.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:13 PM (gi85U)

39 red, I've heard there are sprays out there that will turn your old rusty HiPoint .22 with a busted barrel, into a new perfectly operating 9mm Ruger. True?

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:14 PM (L2ZTs)

40 Based on comments here, I have decided not to spend $200 for the CCL. I may have to travel by car to visit my relatives in Maryland.

Until there is nationwide reciprocity, would not be prudent.

Weasel, thanks for the gun thread and your time. I've learned a lot. I'm still not a good shot, but an informed bad shot is a step up.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 25, 2019 07:14 PM (u82oZ)

41 red, really?
Can't help but wonder how they move them around...

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:14 PM (L2ZTs)

42 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 25, 2019 07:11 PM (XNDy+)
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*clink!*

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

43 . I contacted Ruger with the sn# and they're sending the missing parts. I can't imagine how that happened.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM (rnXGe)

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someone at the shop needed those parts.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:15 PM (gi85U)

44 Congrats on the gunniversary Weasel. This is always my favorite AoS thread of the week.

This link was mentioned mid-week. By the time I wrote up this wall o' text and found all the pixy-unapproved quote marks in the pasted text, the thread had moved on. I decided to hold my comments for the gun thread hoping that Andrew Branca might be around again and add his thoughts.

Nice win for Michigan gun owners.

https://bit.ly/2KOUgI5

On first glance it does look like a win for gun owners as the decision was in favor of a permitted gun owner who used a gun in a bad situation without shooting anybody. But I don't agree that it's good for all gun owners. Read the article to get the details but the gist of it is:

The court of appeals, however, said that's not the law. When one brandishes a weapon without firing it, they don't, in fact, use "deadly force." They use nondeadly force... (emphasis added)

And:

As the court noted, "merely to threaten death or serious bodily harm, without any intention to carry out the threat, is not to use deadly force, so that one may be justified in pointing a gun at his attacker when he would not be justified pulling the trigger." (emphasis added)

I have always been taught and understood that a threat of deadly force (brandishing a gun in this case) is equivalent to actual use of deadly force in terms of when it is or is not justified. That is the law in TX (and I imagine in most other places) and to say otherwise like this ruling does muddies the waters horribly, IMO.

Imagine that you're on the other side of the situation. Suppose someone points a gun at you. How are you to know their intentions? Can you use deadly force to defend yourself or do you have to wait for the attacker to shoot first as the first quote seems to suggest? Seems to me that under the logic of this ruling, if you don't wait, you risk being the one at fault if the other person says after the fact "I wasn't really going to shoot" and a judge or jury buys it.

Note that the issue in question is not whether or not self defense is justified as the trial court rejected the MI woman's self defense claim and (as far as the linked article tells us) the appeals court didn't rule on that, only on the level of force. My point in this comment isn't to re-argue the facts of that specific case but to discuss the consequences of the appeals court ruling.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 07:15 PM (qc+VF)

45 Great thread, as usual, weasel.

Nothing much to report nor have I been to the range.

Been busy with personal stuff plus it's been stinkin hot here these last few weeks.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at August 25, 2019 07:15 PM (WEBkv)

46 I know a few guys with suppressors who swear by a diluted solution of Simple Green. For maintenance cleaning, they'll just slosh the can around in a bucket of the stuff, then flush it with clean water and let it dry.

Posted by: PabloD at August 25, 2019 07:15 PM (s25nj)

47 Can't help but wonder how they move them around...

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:14 PM (L2ZTs)

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very carefully, and with LOTS of security.

#Duh.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:15 PM (gi85U)

48 OK, I'll say it. That is the gayest birthday cake ever. It is suited for 2 year old Disney princesses and Cory Booker, fiercely metrosexual.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 25, 2019 07:16 PM (u82oZ)

49 red, in a trucking container that says "Walmart" no doubt. Complete with smiley face.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:16 PM (L2ZTs)

50 Weasel, thanks for the gun thread and your time. I've learned a lot. I'm still not a good shot, but an informed bad shot is a step up.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 25, 2019 07:14 PM (u82oZ)
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You are most very welcome, Salty.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

51 Has DoD *ever* confirmed or denied whether there are nuclear weapons at the Seal Beach Naval Weapons facility in California?
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM

The easiest way to find out is to try to penetrate the facility. You can make an reasonable assessment based upon the immediacy and seriousness of the response.

;-)

Just don't lay down on any train tracks in front of an oncoming train, like that clown did in Emeryville some years ago.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 07:16 PM (DMUuz)

52 qdpsteve, I own a couple of Glocks (I know...) the models 21 and 30.

The 30 is a bit small, but that's why I got it. Not much help with the recoil, but very accurate.
The 21 is easier to shoot, but larger.
I also have a couple of 1911 style 45s.
And a Camp Marlin.

Everything I own shoots 45acp.

Posted by: navybrat remembers wax pistols at August 25, 2019 07:17 PM (w7KSn)

53 Duncan, I'm not that passionate about the topic, thanks.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:17 PM (L2ZTs)

54 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 07:15 PM (qc+VF)
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Thanks BtB!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

55 TBH, i'm not sure how much nuclear capability the Navy has these days, besides the boomers up in Washington and back east, but, if there are other fission/fusion choices for the surface fleet, you can bet some are there, for everything based out of Insane Diego.

either that, or at Fallbrook, but since they can load onto the ships directly at SBNWS, i'd bet they are there, and not land locked.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:18 PM (gi85U)

56 navybrat, thanks. :-)

I admit I'd like to own something.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:18 PM (L2ZTs)

57 Happy anniversary to us all and special thanks to Weasel for all he brings us each week.

Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 07:19 PM (bmdz3)

58 Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at August 25, 2019 07:15 PM (WEBkv)
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Thank you blake!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

59 Has this blog (or this thread) ever had a commenter with a high-level DoD (or other DC agency) security clearance?

Jus wondering. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:20 PM (L2ZTs)

60 OK, I'll say it. That is the gayest birthday cake ever. It is suited for 2 year old Disney princesses and Cory Booker, fiercely metrosexual.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 25, 2019 07:16 PM (u82oZ)
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Ain't it a doozy?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

61 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:10 PM

Consider adding a Hogue grip add-on to the LCP. It makes a world of difference.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 07:21 PM (DMUuz)

62 Happy anniversary to us all and special thanks to Weasel for all he brings us each week.

Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 07:19 PM (bmdz3)
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Thank you, JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

63 By the way, I do have a carry permit here in CA, which is supposed to be legal throughout CA.

However, there is no way I would ever CCW in San Francisco or surrounding areas, if, for some reason, I wound up in that area.

Much like NY, I believe San Francisco and surrounding area cops would gladly toss one in jail for carrying, and worry about the legality later.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at August 25, 2019 07:22 PM (WEBkv)

64 Yesterday they had the Ruger 556 on sale for $449. I almost pulled the trigger on one, so to speak.

We have three of those in the family. No problems with any of the three.

Posted by: Agitator at August 25, 2019 07:22 PM (m9DnX)

65 Has this blog (or this thread) ever had a commenter with a high-level DoD (or other DC agency) security clearance?

Jus wondering. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:20 PM

What do you consider high-level?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 07:23 PM (DMUuz)

66 Simple Green does wonders on black powder, so maybe of other powder residue

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 07:23 PM (BbGew)

67 qdpsteve When I was in we got our regular missiles At Seal Beach. We Got our special weapons in San Diego. No one but the actual missile handlers were allowed out side. Which I can neither confirm or deny.

Posted by: charles w at August 25, 2019 07:23 PM (U6TH0)

68 Not-so-fun-fact:

The Popeyes nearest where I work, which I've been frequenting, has a store behind it, called Field Time Sports & Guns. This is in the Stanton area of OC.

I guess it couldn't deal with insane California gun rules and regs anymore, because it's now closed. Sign has been removed (lots of label scar on the building though).

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:24 PM (L2ZTs)

69 NaClyDog @ 40- Dude, I carried since age 16, legally. Mostly. Only had a carry license since 90's here in Texas, and then after surrendering my Florida drivers license for a Texas one (when I retired USN). That was my first opportunity. Don't go anywhere without a firearm, bro.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2019 07:24 PM (UUkQp)

70 Here's a story for the crew. My Dad was in the hosiery business, back when we had mills in Carolina. A long-time associate flew up from Raleigh with a brand-new 4" 686 as a retirement present. As there's Someone who looks out for people like that, he just breezed through LaGuardia with it in his bag. It took Dad TWO years, a trip to Texas, and the purchase of a Ruger No. 1 in 7mm Mag to get that S&W on his NY pistol permit. Could have been worse - I really stuck my neck out on a 1910 Mauser. Dad was on the way out, and he'd given that pistol to his aunt in NJ. The Jersey cops sent us a letter telling us it was on its was to the furnace, and Dad said "Get that pistol". They gave it to me on my NY permit, but no way could I make it legal - and I sweated that until the very day I emigrated to the Great State of Georgia.

Posted by: Mr. Mike at August 25, 2019 07:24 PM (hcrox)

71 Duncan, good question :-)

I'm never gonna get any kind of clearance no matter what happens so I'd probably consider anything above "what's in the secret sauce on your Big Mac" high-level.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:24 PM (L2ZTs)

72 i shot my 9 and 22 pistols finally. in the forest at the range, on an air filter box. got called annie oakley too.

Posted by: trapper's girl at August 25, 2019 07:25 PM (tU1YH)

73 Until there is nationwide reciprocity, would not be prudent.

This reciprocity thing is starting to become a pet peeve of mine. If we must ensure reciprocity for gay marriage, a totally new and unprecedented construct fabricated by 5 black robed wannabe dictators, how in the fuck can the 2nd Amendment - not new but enshrined in the founding documents - not enjoy the same reciprocity? The world wonders.

You have to be a super edumacated, super suffistikated lawyer type to come up with the twisted pretzel logic of that conundrum.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 25, 2019 07:25 PM (T6OXT)

74 Happy "boom bang boom" anniversary?

FWIW, still enjoying my Taurus G2. A fine piece, and flawless over the past couple of years...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 07:25 PM (6qErC)

75
https://bit.ly/2KOUgI5
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 07:15 PM (qc+VF)

This is confusing as hell, and I really need to look into it. Thank you for posting it.

My understanding was that drawing and presenting a concealed weapon is only justifiable if you expect that you will need to fire it. On the first read-through, it looks like it's not deadly force - which, fair enough, presenting is not itself deadly force - but isn't it still assault?

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 07:25 PM (t+qrx)

76 I guess it couldn't deal with insane California gun rules and regs anymore, because it's now closed. Sign has been removed (lots of label scar on the building though).
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:24 PM (L2ZTs)
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qdptsteve, being a business owner in CA is bad enough. Now imagine being the owner of a business that sells guns, in CA.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at August 25, 2019 07:25 PM (WEBkv)

77 charles w, thanks :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:25 PM (L2ZTs)

78 I know that when DoD says "we can neither confirm nor deny," that's their polite way of saying, "we don't want to talk about that."

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:26 PM (L2ZTs)

79 Classic Firearms is selling Beretta 81's, iirc.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:06 PM (gi85U)

I used to have A Browning 81, .380 APC. Sold it long ago to some guy.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at August 25, 2019 07:26 PM (Ut9W7)

80 I know that when DoD says "we can neither confirm nor deny," that's their polite way of saying, "we don't want to talk about that."
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:26 PM (L2ZTs)

And nobody who is in a position to say will say any more than that.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 07:27 PM (t+qrx)

81 blake, I imagine it's a living nightmare.
Just one more reason I want out of here.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)

82 This shooting video is a hoot. They call themselves "Team Rugged" and "provide patriotic and biblical training on war for young men..." at a camp in Washington.

It's more like a school a gay Wile E. Coyote would set up.

https://youtu.be/WdnubctwBq8

And may you have many more years of gunthreadin.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at August 25, 2019 07:28 PM (TDyHc)

83 81 blake, I imagine it's a living nightmare.
Just one more reason I want out of here.
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)
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You and me both.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at August 25, 2019 07:28 PM (WEBkv)

84 Picked up a .300 Blackout with some kind of composite receiver for $330. Couldn't resist. Haven't tried it yet.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:29 PM (rnXGe)

85 And may you have many more years of gunthreadin.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at August 25, 2019 07:28 PM (TDyHc)
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Thanks Jake!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

86 Welp, I'm going to wander.

Been a bit stressful this last week.

Sorry, not much to contribute today.

Later!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at August 25, 2019 07:30 PM (WEBkv)

87 The weather report for this area is calling for cooler and less humid conditions this week. I hope to get to the range at least twice. One trip for the AR, one for the flintlock pistol and scoped 10/22.

Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 07:30 PM (bmdz3)

88 This week was French rifle week at the range.

I shot both my MAS-36 and MAS 49/56, iron sights only. Both shot extremely well out to 600 yards, but the MAS-36 shined.

While the 49/56 would hit the steel 2 out of 3 shots, the 36 rang the steel three times each from 200, 300, 400, 500 and 600 yards and back down range again. Could not miss with the funny little rifle. It is hefty but short and feels like a carbine in your hands when shooting. The rear sight is adjustable for elevation only due to a funny leaf spring change out needed to adjust windage but I was able to remove the front nose cap and drift the front sight as needed to zero the rifle. The French designed these rifles to be soldier proof and did not want the average trooper messing around too much with the sights, etc. But the French are assholes that way.

As a cautionary note, the 49/56 will slam fire occasionally when using commercial ammo due to soft primers. Be aware and always keep your muzzle pointed downrange and your firing pin free of oil/debris by checking with the shake and rattle test. I like using French military surplus in this rifle just for that reason.

Viva la France!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 25, 2019 07:30 PM (Z+IKu)

89 Brought up a couple of times today next Saturday NY's Red Flag constitutional rights violations begins. Don't be pissing off your relatives if you live in NY, especially your Leftist SiL.

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 07:30 PM (BbGew)

90 i have neither the time or patience to address how fucking stupid nascar is. their gun stance should be one of the final nails in the huge coffin they built for themselves. i'm sure saint joe gibbs approves. he is the defacto ceo now, anyway. fucking two bit phony. nascar can't die fast enough. i was a fan since 1963. die, you fuckers.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:31 PM (KP5rU)

91 Weasel, how many episodes ahead do you work? Or is it a mad scramble Sunday from about 6:45?

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:31 PM (wFn+Y)

92 Picked up a .300 Blackout with some kind of composite receiver for $330. Couldn't resist. Haven't tried it yet.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:29 PM (rnXGe)

I've been tempted to start playing with super wham-o-dyne chamberings for uppers. I have no reason to and every reason not to, but it's there, staring at me.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 07:31 PM (t+qrx)

93 chavez, you've gotta stop holding in your feelings and telling us what you really think ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:32 PM (L2ZTs)

94 happy ammoversary!

Posted by: mallfly the peach of hoboken at August 25, 2019 07:32 PM (ZqRa6)

95 that is, START telling us what you really think :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:32 PM (L2ZTs)

96 Happy Birthday!

Posted by: None shall pass at August 25, 2019 07:32 PM (ujEzD)

97 I guess it couldn't deal with insane California gun rules and regs anymore, because it's now closed. Sign has been removed (lots of label scar on the building though).
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:24 PM (L2ZTs)

One more employer driven from the state. I'll bet there was some high-fiving in the Legislature cloak room for that one.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2019 07:32 PM (amw5z)

98 Weasel

I think my suppressor is fine. I did a "deep clean" with Hopps and a toothbrush.

Not the toothbrush I use. FYI

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2019 07:33 PM (3H9h1)

99 Out of a crew of 500 maybe 10 people knew for sure what was loaded in the ship. Much higher security clearances than mine.

Posted by: charles w at August 25, 2019 07:33 PM (U6TH0)

100 81 blake, I imagine it's a living nightmare.
Just one more reason I want out of here.
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)
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You and me both.
Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at August 25, 2019 07:28 PM (WEBkv)

Ditto. They've managed to turn a fantastic piece of real estate into a shithole.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2019 07:33 PM (amw5z)

101 Cicero, wouldn't surprise me.
As I've said before, if SanFran and Sacto got hit by one of Kim's nukes in an "accidental" Nork exercise, and I were a bigwig on PDT's team, I wouldn't know whether to nuke 'em back or send them an FTD Sunshine Bouquet.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:34 PM (L2ZTs)

102 93; i'm trying, but, it's a long and fucked up road. probably never happen, steve.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:34 PM (KP5rU)

103 Happy Gunthreadiversary, Weasel! *smooch*

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2019 07:34 PM (NWiLs)

104 I shot both my MAS-36 and MAS 49/56, iron sights only. Both shot extremely well out to 600 yards, but the MAS-36 shined.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 25, 2019 07:30 PM (Z+IKu)

How does that bolt handle work for you? It looks awkward, but I could see how it would help.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)

105 Weasel, congrats and thank you for the threads each week. This is a great blog and always something interesting being discussed. Reminds me a bit of the Weaponsman blog before he passed.

Posted by: Uncle Si at August 25, 2019 07:34 PM (F7vOh)

106 Cool way to hide your guns at home...from Tactical Traps:

https://tinyurl.com/y49tqp53

Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2019 07:35 PM (cF8AT)

107 As far as traveling with your firearms and the possibility of being behind enemy lines? Don't.
Don't travel there. Too many other jurisdictions that won't try to shove it up your ass.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 07:35 PM (bd376)

108 Weasel, how many episodes ahead do you work? Or is it a mad scramble Sunday from about 6:45?

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:31 PM (wFn+Y)
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It really depends. Sometimes I'm working on several at a time, but lately it's been a last minute thing. I wrote most of this yesterday. It also just depends what's going on at home, the farm, and at work. Lately, work has been really busy which has been interfering with the time I have to write them at the office.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

109 Geez, Insom, why don't you just "pounce" on him.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:35 PM (wFn+Y)

110 One of the chinese junk sites I like has listings up now for knockoff Gemtech suppressors. Can't say I'm surprised. https://tinyurl.com/y3xo3agd

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:35 PM (rnXGe)

111 Happy Gunthreadiversary, Weasel! *smooch*

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2019 07:34 PM (NWiLs)
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*bro hug!*

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

112 Posted by: mallfly the peach of hoboken at August 25, 2019 07:32 PM (ZqRa6)
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Thanks mallfly!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

113 i was a fan since 1963. die, you fuckers.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:31 PM (KP5rU)

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now, tell us how you really feel, without all the holding back and shit.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:37 PM (gi85U)

114 Cool way to hide your guns at home...from Tactical Traps:

https://tinyurl.com/y49tqp53
Posted by: Tami

Saw where a guy used an old Pepsi vending machine.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 07:37 PM (bd376)

115 As far as traveling with your firearms and the possibility of being behind enemy lines? Don't.
Don't travel there. Too many other jurisdictions that won't try to shove it up your ass.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 07:35 PM (bd376)

Sometimes you might not have a choice. If your flight gets diverted due to weather, you might have to stay overnight at a hotel in the wrong state. It's good to know what to do in that case.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 07:37 PM (t+qrx)

116 Wasn't the unconstitutional judge law making for homo marriage because the states had different laws?
AND wasn't one of the reasons for the unconstitutional judge law to bring uniformity. Then it should be the same for guns. AND we have to go with the most liberal, not Liberal but Constitutional interpretation? Meaning all gun laws should be to the lowest standard.

I'm just glad that when the GOPe had the congress and presidency they punted on everything that they had promised for 30 years.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at August 25, 2019 07:38 PM (pw+jk)

117 Saw where a guy used an old Pepsi vending machine.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 07:37 PM (bd376)

You're gonna have to answer to the Coca Cola Company!

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 07:38 PM (t+qrx)

118 Happy Birthday!

Posted by: None shall pass at August 25, 2019 07:32 PM (ujEzD)
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Thank you None shall pass!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:38 PM (MVjcR)

119 re 112: you're welcome, and I'm surprised no one else thought of it first.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of hoboken at August 25, 2019 07:39 PM (ZqRa6)

120 Posted by: Uncle Si at August 25, 2019 07:34 PM (F7vOh)

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Thank you Uncle Si! I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

121 Re gun-hiding hacks:

Beware the man who has a very large old-style bible on the end table next to his bed... ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:40 PM (L2ZTs)

122 "8 On the other hand haved been practicing left handed only loading on my
1911, found out its not a bad left handed weapon, any thoughts on that
from left handed shooters?"
I'm left-handed, and left-eyed, but I shoot (lefty) with my conventional Mossberg. We spend our lives adapting to tools made for righties - pencil sharpeners, scissors, can openers, Mossbergs - and I figure this is just one more thing I have to work around. When I eject the spent shell I just hold it out a bit in front of me, so the shell doesn't land on my pants leg or my feet.

Congratulations to NeonMadMan and that lovely grouping. Husband had cararact surgery on one eye a month ago, and he's having the other eye done in a couple of weeks. After he's healed, it will be interesting to see how he does at the range.

Posted by: Annalucia at August 25, 2019 07:40 PM (S6ArX)

123 Saw where a guy used an old Pepsi vending machine.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 07:37 PM (bd376)

You're gonna have to answer to the Coca Cola Company!
Posted by: hogmartin

I thought it was pretty ingenious.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 07:40 PM (bd376)

124 qdp, anything on that list that includes 1911A1 and 45ACP in the description would be a good place to start.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:40 PM (gi85U)

125 You're gonna have to answer to the Coca Cola Company!

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 07:38 PM (t+qrx)
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niiiiiiice!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

126 red, thanks.

Nice to see California hasn't banned everything that's lethal, yet.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:41 PM (L2ZTs)

127 On the other hand haved been practicing left handed only loading on my 1911, found out its not a bad left handed weapon, any thoughts on that
from left handed shooters?"

I'm left handed. I got so tired of the left thumb boogie reqired to drop a magazine or turn on or off a safty, that I traded in for an H&K USP with a center mag release and a left hand decocker and safety.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 07:43 PM (bd376)

128 Okay, not that this isn't official, given what I have posted here, but I absolutely, 100%, loath Kevin "gelatinous fat man" Williamson. Today's column, or should I say, semi-obit, on David Koch is every reason to know, beyond a shadow of any doubt, that Kevin is a unrepentant imbecile. Kevin: "Hey, David is our kind of conservative, although about 50% of the things David believed wouldn't "fit neatly into what we would call conservative views" - translation: the man, like a lot of capitalist, was a global capitalist who had no need for American support for any of his ventures. And Kevin, along with Conservative, Inc. could give a rat's ass less.
More Kevin: "Hey, you know that Koch supported the Ballet, you fucking heathens."

This from a guy from the plains of Texas who married some harridan that accuses him of wearing a Sonny Corleone wife beater and taking her to the "Carlos woodshed." Lectures about high culture we don't need from Kevin.

Humble bunny Kevin ain't, although he should be, just about the time that most real people would draw their cards in, to use a Texas phrase that Kevin, born on the low side of the tracks, might recognize.

He's a blight on what might be considered intellectual high brow thought, certainly the type that resides 24/7 in his mind.

Posted by: Boswell at August 25, 2019 07:43 PM (32YRo)

129 I think my suppressor is fine. I did a "deep clean" with Hopps and a toothbrush.

Not the toothbrush I use. FYI

So, Mrs. Farmer's then? What did you decide about the Thompson?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 07:43 PM (qc+VF)

130 i have owned guns since it was legal for me to do so. i was pretty much passive about them. never really though about them. now, that these commie fucks ostracize me at every turn of the clock, i've changed. i will purchase an ar something for myself for christmas this year. just because i still can. these fuckers have truly awakened me, and pissed me off.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:44 PM (KP5rU)

131
Fitzworth's sidebar? The so-called journalist? Eh. Had to stop reading after the testicle-free soyboy beta-raged on 'white business men.' Ugh.

Posted by: 13times at August 25, 2019 07:44 PM (K3B2k)

132 How does that bolt handle work for you? It looks awkward, but I could see how it would help.
Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)

Nice and smooth with little effort, the throw is actually very short. One of the things the French got right on the little fella. Now if they would have put an adjustable for windage rear sight (screw type) like in the 49/56 on the 36 she would be close to perfect.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 25, 2019 07:45 PM (Z+IKu)

133 Congrats and thankx Weasel for a year of gun nuttery at the HQ!!

As to arms none of us will be getting any time soon, in San Diego there is the "alpha dock" [ammo dock] on the North Island [east] side of the channel - ships definitely load/off-load ordnance there [and the storage bunkers, just like those at Seal Beach, are visible nearby].

Then, directly across from that on the Pt. Loma side is the sub base [no missile boats, exept for conversions for the SEALs and UUVs mumble mumble sensitive things - above it on the hillside below Rosecrans cemetery and Cabrillo national monument are ..... kinda bunkerish-looking thinggies. Always look for triple-fencing when looking for interesting ordnance locations.

Logic dictates that the major portion of the fleet based in San Diego would have ready access to special ordnance. Both locations mentioned above are on secure guvamint land, the North Island one of course quite isolated from the outside world.

"We can say no more!"

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 07:45 PM (QDnY+)

134 i have owned guns since it was legal for me to do so. i was pretty much passive about them. never really though about them. now, that these commie fucks ostracize me at every turn of the clock, i've changed. i will purchase an ar something for myself for christmas this year. just because i still can. these fuckers have truly awakened me, and pissed me off.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:44 PM (KP5rU)
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Spite guns are the best!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

135 134; weasel, it already feels good.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:47 PM (KP5rU)

136 Brian in NO, the only problem is ordering and making sure it's absolutely discrete. I can imagine going to the PO and having a SWAT team greet you.
But I'm all for solvent traps. For the environment. And the children.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:47 PM (wFn+Y)

137 Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 07:45 PM (QDnY+)
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Thanks rhomboid!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

138 I admit I like this:

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-ca-compliant

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:48 PM (L2ZTs)

139 59 Has this blog (or this thread) ever had a commenter with a high-level DoD (or other DC agency) security clearance?

Jus wondering. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:20 PM

Why, yes. Yes it has.

------ Bob at NSA

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 25, 2019 07:48 PM (qJeBn)

140 A year already???

Well crap. I'd better get busy reading some content.

Many Thanxs Weasel. It's a great thread that I look forward to every week.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 25, 2019 07:50 PM (axyOa)

141 136
Brian in NO, the only problem is ordering and making sure it's
absolutely discrete. I can imagine going to the PO and having a SWAT
team greet you.

But I'm all for solvent traps. For the environment. And the children.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:47 PM (wFn+Y)

It's not a suppressor until the hole is drilled in the end cap.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:50 PM (rnXGe)

142 https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-ca-compliant

"LOADED WHEN UP". Heh-heh-heh-heh.

-- Butthead

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 07:51 PM (qc+VF)

143 Bob, I guess that's good to know if one is ever pointed at you.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:51 PM (L2ZTs)

144 It's not a suppressor until the hole is drilled in the end cap.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:50 PM (rnXGe)

Is... is that what she said? It sounds like something she would say.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 07:52 PM (t+qrx)

145 I had cataract surgery last year. Still in my 40s, so the youngest guy in the waiting room at the eye doc. I can shoot irons with progressive bifocals but I found it easier to get a miniaturized red dot installed on my carry pistol. Now I just target focus and put the dot where I want to hit (with some aim adjustment for distance; since I'm zeroed at 25 yards I have to aim 2 inches high at 21 feet). Had suppressor height sights installed just in case the red dot has an issue but Trijicon RMRs seem as durable as Nokia phones.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen at August 25, 2019 07:52 PM (BTYuT)

146 question, ar, center fire or rim fire?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:52 PM (KP5rU)

147 Posted by: Diogenes at August 25, 2019 07:50 PM (axyOa)
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Thank you, Diogenes! Glad you like it.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

148 Hard to say why a particular business folds its tent.

A new gub store opened very close to me just 2 years ago. They're doing fine.

The lead bullet maker seems to have moved - he was right across from the Home Despot. And there are 2 craft breweries and a cidery in the same small area - as I joked with the boss about it, the area's almost becoming civilized.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 07:53 PM (QDnY+)

149 Has this blog (or this thread) ever had a commenter with a high-level DoD (or other DC agency) security clearance?

Jus wondering. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:20 PM

****

While neither confirming or denying, let's say for the sake of argument, yes. If so, what's your question?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 25, 2019 07:53 PM (axyOa)

150 rhomboid, are you in California?

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:53 PM (L2ZTs)

151 Diogenes, was just curious. Thanks. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:54 PM (L2ZTs)

152 Brian, thanks for that explanation. I'm going to order one for every gun I have/had that needs cleaning. Because I care.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 07:54 PM (wFn+Y)

153 i have owned guns since it was legal for me to do
so. i was pretty much passive about them. never really though about
them. now, that these commie fucks ostracize me at every turn of the
clock, i've changed. i will purchase an ar something for myself for
christmas this year. just because i still can. these fuckers have truly
awakened me, and pissed me off.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:44 PM (KP5rU)

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Chavez, many lost guns in many canoe trips since November 2008 for the same reason. Not to mention ammo. Because if you do not think they are coming to ban ammo, you are not paying attention... hello kalifornia.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at August 25, 2019 07:55 PM (pw+jk)

154 question, ar, center fire or rim fire?

Answer: yes. In lieu of a dedicated rimfire upper, a CMMG conversion kit is a lot of fun.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 07:55 PM (qc+VF)

155 -
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I admit I like this:

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-ca-compliant

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:48 PM

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I own a 9mm Shield (not the CA compliant one) and have nothing bad to say about it. Has been 100% reliable thus far.

Posted by: irright at August 25, 2019 07:56 PM (RVcmP)

156 Some idiot San Antonio city councilcritters want to "buyback" guns. Let's put aside for the moment that the City of San Antonio does not sell guns and that there is nothing for them to "buy back". These idiot schemes have been tried in other cities. Other than encourage burglaries and other such crimes, what has there effect been on crime? ZERO.

And in my hometown of San Antonio. To say I am embarrassed is not adequate. They should consult the Texas Declaration of Independence. These words were cited as a grievance against Santa Anna four days before the Alamo:

"(The Mexican government) has demanded us to deliver up our arms, which are essential to our defense, the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments."

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 25, 2019 07:56 PM (741cV)

157 In post-constitutional America [and that's not just humor], it still amazes and outrages me that crap like persecution of gun owners in s**t-holes like NJ/NY can happen. And even with a federal law meant to prevent it? WTFF?

Not to divert into a hopeless nasty taffy-yank about the general topic, but crap like that, plus getting citizens killed, raped, and maimed by obeying "sanctuary" laws, um ...... "complicates" what would otherwise be support for law enforcement in those places. Yeah, that's it, "complicates".

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 07:57 PM (QDnY+)

158 irright, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:57 PM (L2ZTs)

159 steve, yep, America's Finest City

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 07:59 PM (QDnY+)

160 Answer: yes. In lieu of a dedicated rimfire upper, a CMMG conversion kit is a lot of fun.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 07:55 PM (qc+VF)

What magazines are best for the .22 conversion kits? I have a Palmetto .22 upper and the blackog magazines jam on the last round every time.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 07:59 PM (rnXGe)

161 Hey all - just a friendly reminder, try and use tiny.url to post links. I know it takes a few more steps but it'll keep me out of trouble with the boss.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

162 Congratulations, Weasel, of the anniversary of the gub thread!
I always enjoy it.

Posted by: navybrat remembers wax pistols at August 25, 2019 08:01 PM (w7KSn)

163
The US Concealed Carry Association
(USCCA) they have three plans so I could pick one within my budget.
They cover Self Defense for Civil, Criminal, Bail Bonding and
Attorney retainer. They have attorneys experienced in defending
citizens but you can use your own. Funding for Criminal Defense and
bail bonds are upfront and they have 24/7/365 Critical Response Team.
Thank God I haven't had to use them; and don't want to; but figured
having insurance just in case for a self defense shooting equals home
and auto insurance.

Posted by: Chuck Welsh at August 25, 2019 08:01 PM (vBqxR)

164 Found on my 1911 using fore finger to drop magazine left handed whereas thumb using right hand, easy enough.

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 08:01 PM (BbGew)

165 Yea! Gun thread anniversary!!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 25, 2019 08:01 PM (xJa6I)

166 Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)

167 -
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Hey all - just a friendly reminder, try and use
tiny.url to post links. I know it takes a few more steps but it'll keep
me out of trouble with the boss.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

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Woopsie.

Posted by: irright at August 25, 2019 08:02 PM (RVcmP)

168 What magazines are best for the .22 conversion kits? I have a Palmetto .22 upper and the blackog magazines jam on the last round every time.

I only have the 3 that came with my kit and they seem to work fine. I'm thinking of sacrificing one to see if I can trim it down to fit inside of a GI 20 rounder.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 08:02 PM (qc+VF)

169 Did get to the indoor range last week. Just a few mags with the CZ-83, been a while since I shot that one. I usually carry that on my duty days at the outdoor range. On that topic, happily I have a few days to "make up" - missed 2 due to travel/car trouble the last half year. Waiting til cooler weather.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:02 PM (QDnY+)

170 Posted by: navybrat remembers wax pistols at August 25, 2019 08:01 PM (w7KSn)
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Thanks navybrat!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

171 Diogenes, was just curious. Thanks. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:54 PM (L2ZTs)

****

Well. As there are literally at least a million people with clearances out there, you'll find people who contribute to blogs across the social and political spectrum.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 25, 2019 08:03 PM (axyOa)

172 Anyone busting the margins spends a night in the bos

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 08:05 PM (BbGew)

173 I only have the 3 that came with my kit and they
seem to work fine. I'm thinking of sacrificing one to see if I can trim
it down to fit inside of a GI 20 rounder.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 08:02 PM (qc+VF)

I don't know if the CMMG conversion mags will work with the Palmsetto .22 upper. They aren't very clear on what will work with it.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 25, 2019 08:06 PM (rnXGe)

174 Diogenes, true, thanks

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 08:06 PM (L2ZTs)

175 Cmmg conversion for the win. When I may have bought one, they may have included 3 Mags.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 08:07 PM (wFn+Y)

176 Anyone busting the margins spends a night in the bos
Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2019 08:05 PM (BbGew)

I wouldn't wish a night in Logan airport on anyone.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:07 PM (t+qrx)

177 Pro Tip: ALWAYS wear your eyes and ears, even if for just one round...

or, in my case, just now, just one cut.

a chunk of wood 1.75'x1.75'x2.5' kicked out of the saw, and whacked me good in the center/left of my left eye...

or, it would have if it hadn't glanced off the the safety glasses i was wearing, then the ear muffs.

yeah, i think i'm done for the day: i can take a hint as well as anyone.

Beer:30 is here!

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 08:08 PM (gi85U)

178 guess i'll just buy whateverthefuck.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:08 PM (KP5rU)

179 Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 08:08 PM (gi85U)
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Yep. Every time I accidentally maim myself it's when I'm in a hurry making one little cut.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

180 The 1866 reproduction [Uberti] "Yellow Boy" lever rifle is a hoot to shoot [45 Colt]. Was pinging an 8" plate @ 1OO yds on my last duty day - but only about 1 out of 5 shots. Meh. The sights are what they are, and I need more practice with it. The silhouette targets at matches are larger, only one I had trouble with last time were the rams @ 2OO.

Don't plan to disassemble to clean very often - looks like a bit of a project. Probably will wait all the way til there are functional problems. Can clean residue off some of the working surfaces without disassembling.

Will probably start reloading 45C [and 38O for the CZ] in a few months, when the garage cools off.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:10 PM (QDnY+)

181 FINALLY: A gun for Democrats!

https://tinyurl.com/y5df3tw4

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 08:11 PM (L2ZTs)

182 question, ar, center fire or rim fire?
Posted by: chavez the hugo

Tippmann Arms has built a great AR .22lr from the ground up.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:11 PM (bd376)

183 Pro Tip: ALWAYS wear your eyes and ears, even if for just one round...

or, in my case, just now, just one cut.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 08:08 PM (gi85U)

Bears repeating. The world is full of lots of things I don't want in my eyeball, not just bullet fragments and the like. And it's a good idea even if you're just shooting rifles at targets hundreds of yards away.

https://youtu.be/0ABGIJwiGBc?t=12

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:12 PM (t+qrx)

184 guess i'll just buy whateverthefuck.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:08 PM (KP5rU)
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you mean regarding centerfire vs rimfire? All things being equal I'd say centerfire.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

185 59 Has this blog (or this thread) ever had a commenter with a high-level DoD (or other DC agency) security clearance?

Jus wondering. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:20 PM (L2ZTs)

Secret.

And I suspect (I could be wrong) that it makes the background checks that I go through to get firearms (for real! They DO exist!) a little easier. As does the TX LTC.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 25, 2019 08:12 PM (741cV)

186 Range report, feel free to skip-

Yesterday was some fine 19th century tech on display. I cleaned and "fixed" the .44 Ruger Vaquero* so I took it and my new Henry Single Shot in .223.

The Henry was just fun. Shot about 60 rounds, one shot at a time, off hand at 25 meters. I wasn't putting it all in one hole but I did well enough. I really enjoy the single shot, it barks but recoil is light.

The Ruger I fired one-handed, continuing the 'stuff I suck at' training. By gripping hard, I got some good consistent groups. I surprised myself, honestly. The wood grips got a little loose from all the shooting but I had a screwdriver to tighten them up again. I still had some rounds go wide but far less than last week.

As a ending flourish, I jumped into the 21at century and put 50 rounds one handed. Again some horizontal stringing and some grouping to the right (?!) but group was pretty tight. I'm actually semi-happy with my performance.

Next week we are going to do a mix of dry fire and two handed accuracy after all the one-handed drills. Get back some precision before trying the one-handed thing again.

A good, good day at the range.

*I just put some drops of CLP BreakFree around the loading gate. Next day, it opened fine. But there was hardly any gunk down by the loading gate so....a mystery.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 25, 2019 08:13 PM (xJa6I)

187 of course they have nukes there...

sometimes, anyway.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 07:13 PM (gi85U)

Unless they run out but if they run out they'll be on order.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 25, 2019 08:13 PM (pGnDm)

188
question, ar, center fire or rim fire?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:52 PM (KP5rU)

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center fire.

that shouldn't even be a question....

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 08:13 PM (gi85U)

189 182; thanks, rickb. will check that out.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:13 PM (KP5rU)

190 They chip away at your rights...then they take what's left.

Posted by: torabora at August 25, 2019 08:13 PM (Y274z)

191 I wear eye and ear protection for even any remotely potentially hazardous activity. Hearing and eyes are good, not going to screw that up.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:14 PM (QDnY+)

192 Catch 33, thanks :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 08:14 PM (L2ZTs)

193 Southern acts that do not seem libertarian somewhat bother me

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at August 25, 2019 08:15 PM (iCUDL)

194 188: well, red, i'm no fucking expert by a long shot. that's why i asked. thanks.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:15 PM (KP5rU)

195 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 25, 2019 08:13 PM (xJa6I)
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Thanks MAE. Always appreciate your range reports!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

196 Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:08 PM (KP5rU)

Look at the Smith and Wesson Sport II, poet of the blog.
They also have a .22 rimfire version that's pretty nice.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 25, 2019 08:15 PM (xJa6I)

197 I'll ask the same question here I did the morning book thread.

How difficult or easy is it to damage a gun, using your bare hands and not another weapon on them? Can you bend or damage a gun by brute force so much that its damaged?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:17 PM (KZzsI)

198 196; thanks, mark.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:17 PM (KP5rU)

199 Anybody else build/shoot oddball AR pattern rifles? So far, I've acquired a 450 Bushmaster (Remington), and built a LR308 (AR-10) chambered in 375 Raptor (modified 308, necked up to 375 caliber). And I've ordered a LR308 upper from Bishop Ammunition chambered in a real freak of a cartridge: 475 Bishop Short Magnum. Supposedly, this round generates around 5,000 fpe at the muzzle! Practically pointless but WTH? So, are there any other morons out there that are simply bored with 223 and 308?

Posted by: WVinMN at August 25, 2019 08:17 PM (pV4s0)

200 question, ar, center fire or rim fire?"

I have both.

Make of that what you wish...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:17 PM (6qErC)

201 Re: SELF-DEFENSE INSURANCE

I have an entire course, available either streamed online or on DVD, on how to go about choosing self-defense insurance (or whether you need self-defense insurance at all). There's no one plan that's perfect for everybody, because each person's circumstances and needs differ, but we explain how to go about thinking about the problem, which factors are important and which really aren't, thinks to look out for that you might not otherwise have considered, and so forth. The only caution is we produced the course last fall, and since then the NRA Carry Guard program has apparently gone defunct, so you can ignore that part of the course. Not that it matters, Carry Guard sucked and we mostly just cautioned people against it, anyway. For more information, and just for you fellow morons I've re-started our 50% off sale, point your browser to: lawofselfdefense.com/insurance

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:18 PM (eciqi)

202 Posted by: chavez the hugo

I would love to have one of their Tippmann AR's.
I have four other .22 lr rifles, so that one is at the end of the line right now.

I know a couple of the people involved from when they were with Tippmann Pneumatics and paintball.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:18 PM (bd376)

203 Catch33 I dunno, but I think gun checks just ping the national criminal database [NICS]. Background investigations for clearances are different and I don't think enter into it.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:18 PM (QDnY+)

204 >>>...As the court noted, "merely to threaten death or serious bodily harm, without any intention to carry out the threat, is not to use deadly force, so that one may be justified in pointing a gun at his attacker when he would not be justified pulling the trigger." (emphasis added)
---------------------------------

I have always been taught and understood that a threat of deadly force (brandishing a gun in this case) is equivalent to actual use of deadly force in terms of when it is or is not justified. That is the law in TX (and I imagine in most other places) and to say otherwise like this ruling does muddies the waters horribly, IMO.

....

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 07:15 PM (qc+VF)

If you wait until he shoots you will know for sure the threat. Of course, if he kills you you won't know anything.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 25, 2019 08:19 PM (pGnDm)

205 Tippmann Arms has built a great AR .22lr from the ground up.

Which seems to be quite different from Tippmann Armory, which I serendipitously clicked on first. Check it out!

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 08:19 PM (qc+VF)

206 How difficult or easy is it to damage a gun, using your bare hands and not another weapon on them"

Impossible to answer, as there is such a variety.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:19 PM (6qErC)

207 I'll ask the same question here I did the morning book thread.

How difficult or easy is it to damage a gun, using your bare hands and not another weapon on them? Can you bend or damage a gun by brute force so much that its damaged?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:17 PM (KZzsI)
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I don't think you could with your bare hands. Maybe by banging a plastic gun on a hard surface you could crack or break the frame.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:19 PM (MVjcR)

208 134 i have owned guns since it was legal for me to do so. i was pretty much passive about them. never really though about them. now, that these commie fucks ostracize me at every turn of the clock, i've changed. i will purchase an ar something for myself for christmas this year. just because i still can. these fuckers have truly awakened me, and pissed me off.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 07:44 PM (KP5rU)
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Spite guns are the best!!
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

I bought my CZ P07 out of spite and I'm VERY happy with it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 25, 2019 08:19 PM (xJa6I)

209 Happy Birthday Weasel, thank you, and I would get great satisfaction shooting that cake.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at August 25, 2019 08:19 PM (Zv1X1)

210 129> Regarding the Thompson... we'll wait and see.

It ain't going anywhere and I have time. And money.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2019 08:20 PM (3H9h1)

211 Mr Branca, great to see you here and thanks for the discount.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:20 PM (QDnY+)

212 Isn't that cake a Cloggenstein commission?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 25, 2019 08:20 PM (pGnDm)

213 thanks for the honest answers, everyone. red, i had no idea this was a gun snob society.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:21 PM (KP5rU)

214 Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:18 PM (eciqi)
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Thank you!

Now that's a deal right there, everybody.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

215 I'll ask the same question here I did the morning book thread.

How difficult or easy is it to damage a gun, using your bare hands and not another weapon on them? Can you bend or damage a gun by brute force so much that its damaged?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:17 PM (KZzsI)
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I don't think you could with your bare hands. Maybe by banging a plastic gun on a hard surface you could crack or break the frame.
Posted by: Weasel

It might be possible to bend a rifle barrel enough by trying to wrap it around a tree like a golf club.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:21 PM (bd376)

216 i had no idea this was a gun snob society."

'Tis?

For shame...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:21 PM (6qErC)

217 Christopher R. Taylor @197, of course you can damage a firearm or accessories with your bare hands. Although I dropped a BAR 30-06 with a Nikon scope out of a deer stand, and 30 minutes shot my biggest buck with it. About 50 yards one shot dropped him in his tracks.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2019 08:22 PM (UUkQp)

218 How difficult or easy is it to damage a gun, using your bare hands and not another weapon on them? Can you bend or damage a gun by brute force so much that its damaged?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:17 PM (KZzsI)

You could probably wreck the internals of a gas-operated gun pretty well if you disassembled it, especially a piston gun, but the first shot would still get off. But by that time, you could just as easily lose that f'ng spring that you'll never find again or put something in backwards.

Once you take "bare hands only" out of the equation, I think most people would need a lot of leverage, so you could maybe wedge a muzzle under a heavy object (concrete, vehicle, Rock Or Something) and put a barrel out of true. Depending on how thick the walls are, it may still fire for certain values of "fire".

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:22 PM (t+qrx)

219 I'm having fun reading the biography of Frank Hamer, Texas Ranger. The notes and info on Texas law and customs are pretty interesting. Their definition of "self defense" was so lax one of the Rangers was arrested for shooting a man to death, and he claimed self defense because he said the guy had a gun. The fact that the two gun holes were in the man's back weren't enough to get a conviction from the Texan jury.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:22 PM (KZzsI)

220 Ero you hunt deer with a BAR??

Cool.

M1919 would be even better.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:23 PM (QDnY+)

221 Happy Birthday Weasel, thank you, and I would get great satisfaction shooting that cake.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at August 25, 2019 08:19 PM (Zv1X1)
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Man, that cake has Cannibal Bob written all over it!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

222 possible to bend a rifle barrel enough by trying to wrap it around a tree like a golf club."

Or swinging it like said golf club. And taking a divot.

(No, wasn't me)

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:23 PM (6qErC)

223 216; did you read the whole exchange?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:23 PM (KP5rU)

224 Impossible to answer, as there is such a variety.

Well I'd narrow it down and say this is for an old west gaming supplement, but the setting ranges from pre-civil war to the first decade of the 20th century so you'll have indians and some old mountain men still toting flintlocks up to some pretty modern guns.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:24 PM (KZzsI)

225 I've been researching this one due to the levels available and the amount of services.

Of particular importance in my view is money for bail.

http://tinyurl.com/m2r3wmj This is USCCA USConcealedCarry.com

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 25, 2019 08:24 PM (cxIsI)

226 197 I'll ask the same question here I did the morning book thread.

How difficult or easy is it to damage a gun, using your bare hands and not another weapon on them? Can you bend or damage a gun by brute force so much that its damaged?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:17 PM (KZzsI)

Bare hands bare hands? Or banging it against rocks and stuff?

Some guns are more fragile than others. I would not try to break my Ruger P90, damn thing is all steel. But I have some older revolvers that might break if I hit it right against the corner of a brick wall. And my top break pistol would come apart easily.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 25, 2019 08:24 PM (xJa6I)

227 Jason Isbell is a huge virtue signaler

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at August 25, 2019 08:25 PM (iCUDL)

228 Wonder how NZFrank and his fellows are faring over yonder. Hope the civil disobedience continues and has humiliated the "filth", as Frank colorfully and aptly terms the control-freak bigots afflicting NZ.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:25 PM (QDnY+)

229 Can we please not have a shootout on the Gun Thread Birthday/Anniversary? Thank You!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

230 Chris Taylor, I saw your comment this morning. I have never broken a firearm by hand. I have, however, f 'd some up to a fare thee well, by finger manipulation of small tools.
As always, RTF instructions before disassembling.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 08:26 PM (wFn+Y)

231 219 I'm having fun reading the biography of Frank Hamer, Texas Ranger. The notes and info on Texas law and customs are pretty interesting. Their definition of "self defense" was so lax one of the Rangers was arrested for shooting a man to death, and he claimed self defense because he said the guy had a gun. The fact that the two gun holes were in the man's back weren't enough to get a conviction from the Texan jury.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:22 PM (KZzsI)

I'm reading a biography of him too!

We could use a man like him, and the nation that produced and sustained him, again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 25, 2019 08:26 PM (xJa6I)

232 What shocked me was researching and finding out that the Maxim Gun fell into the cowboy era. I mean the British Empire wasn't likely to let anyone have one but its still out there. That's not a hand-cranked gatling, its a full-on automatic water-cooled machine gun

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:26 PM (KZzsI)

233 Tippmann Arms has built a great AR .22lr from the ground up.

Which seems to be quite different from Tippmann Armory, which I serendipitously clicked on first. Check it out!
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg

LOL. It's the same company, different division.
They own pretty much all of Ft. Wayne, Indiana.
And yeah, tippmannarms dot com is for the .22lr.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:26 PM (bd376)

234 For Satrose:
I know there are about a hundred different causes of vertigo.. my wife suffers from this.
If they are not able to resolve your vertigo with all of the exercises, blah blah blah.. there is another cause that is very little known or recognized.. migraines.. non-headache migrain syndrome.. foods that trigger migraines also trigger these.. my wife doesn't even need to eat trigger foods to suffer from vertigo every day.
20 years ago she was diagnosed with this and prescribed anti-anxiety meds.. boom! vertigo gone!
But last year she started having AFIB heart problems after a car crash.. anti-anxiety meds are not compatible with AFIB meds.. so her vertigo is back..
Just a shout ou tabout this weird vertigo problem in case it helps...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 25, 2019 08:27 PM (438dO)

235 Unless they run out but if they run out they'll be on order.
Posted by: Braenyard

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Amazon Prime can get them there in two days tops!

I know a sailor that told me more than once he and a VERY small work party were the only guys aboard when loading the missile cells. The rest of the crew was given liberty except for one or two MMs, GS and EMs to keep the lights on.

I have to assume the ordinance being loaded was very hush hush. This occurred at two west coast locations.

Posted by: Governmental Overreach at August 25, 2019 08:27 PM (Y4EXg)

236 229: weasel, i' ll leave. no big deal.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:27 PM (KP5rU)

237 jake - bail is under attack in various states, might be gone in some soon.

That moots the bail question - but of course should contribute to making CC even more needed, as do all "reforms" for years now [including the jail-break thing Trump signed].

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:27 PM (QDnY+)

238 with a BAR??"

Heh. Shoots and cleans the deer...

*the BAR Safari is simply wonderful*

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:28 PM (6qErC)

239 Wonder how NZFrank and his fellows are faring over yonder. Hope the civil disobedience continues and has humiliated the "filth", as Frank colorfully and aptly terms the control-freak bigots afflicting NZ.

Posted by: rhomboid

Hope he checks in.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:28 PM (bd376)

240 rhomboid @ 220, I think Browning just named them BAR because....? They come in lots of chambering, mine is 30-06 but Old Pappy Eromero's was .243. I wish I had a real BAR. For deer. Of course.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2019 08:29 PM (UUkQp)

241 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 25, 2019 08:27 PM (438dO)
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Well now that's interesting!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

242 well, red, i'm no fucking expert by a long shot. that's why i asked. thanks.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:15 PM (KP5rU)

red, i had no idea this was a gun snob society.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:21 PM (KP5rU)

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not to worry, i'm a wise ass, sarcastic SOB in real life too.

any gun is better than no gub, buy what you like and/or what you can afford.

personally, i treat them like they're Pokeman: gotta collect them all!

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 08:30 PM (gi85U)

243 Weasel,

"no fighting in the War Room!!"

;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 08:30 PM (L2ZTs)

244 Weasel! Happy Anniversary! And may you have many more, as long as you don't run out of money to pay off Mr. Dildo.

🍾 🎉 🎊 🎯 🔫

Posted by: bluebell at August 25, 2019 08:31 PM (aXucN)

245 I've had a carry license for 4 years but never used it.

I'm beginning to think that I'm going to start. Too much craziness even in the smaller towns.

That's why my interest in an insurance deal cause depending on where you are, the Prosecutors love to make the process the punishment.

And it gets expensive real fast.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 25, 2019 08:31 PM (cxIsI)

246 weasel, i' ll leave. no big deal.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:27 PM (KP5rU)
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Don't go, just please don't make me referee some sort of argument and figure out who said what, to whom. It's all cool. You guys just shake hands and talk about gun stuff. Thanks.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

247 Congratulations on a year of gun thread and thanks for all the good discussion. Finally went to the range last week after a month or so. Practiced both one and two handed, and all went well.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at August 25, 2019 08:31 PM (RBFmA)

248 Vertigo is a great flick IMHO. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 08:31 PM (L2ZTs)

249 C. Taylor recall the back-story scene from The Godfather, where a young Corleone [DeNiro - spit] kills the local enforcer and then smashes the revolver to bits on the brickwork on the roof, and tosses the parts into various chimneys?

Have always wondered about that scene. Wouldn't work with the revolvers I have, I don't think, but who knows for less sturdy ones?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:31 PM (QDnY+)

250 BTW, there are several rimfire versions of well known or iconic arms. A wide range of quality, tho...
Have gone thru a few boxes with the MP 5 knockoff, and that's a blast.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:32 PM (6qErC)

251 Posted by: bluebell at August 25, 2019 08:31 PM (aXucN)
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Thank you, bluebell!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

252 weasel, i' ll leave. no big deal.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:27 PM (KP5rU)
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Don't go, just please don't make me referee some sort of argument and figure out who said what, to whom. It's all cool. You guys just shake hands and talk about gun stuff. Thanks.
Posted by: Weasel

Agreed.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:33 PM (bd376)

253 there's lots of ways to damage a firearm bare handed, some more easily than others.

the AR platform, for all its advantages, can be remarkably fragile... said the guy who was an ARNG armorer more than once.

one year, the grunts managed to bend the frame of an M-60 badly enough that the bolt and op road wouldn't go back in.

nobody would fess up, but i think someone closed a hatch on it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 08:33 PM (gi85U)

254 Posted by: rhomboid

Hope he checks in.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:28 PM (bd376)

Filth is slang for the Police in NZ, OZ and UK.

Comes from "Dirty Copper"? Maybe?

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 25, 2019 08:33 PM (cxIsI)

255 And may you have many more, as long as you don't run out of money to pay off Mr. Dildo.
Posted by: bluebell at August 25, 2019 08:31 PM (aXucN)

from Things bluebell Probably Didn't Expect To Post On The Internet Ever, vol XIV

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:33 PM (t+qrx)

256 Bluebell's first book: "The Deplorable Cookbook"

Bluebell's second book: "Make Your Own Guns For Fun And Profit"

;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 08:33 PM (L2ZTs)

257 186 ... Mark, Isn't the Henry single shot nice? Beautiful workmanship and damn accurate considering that I'm behind the trigger. I intend to put a scope on it eventually and see what kind of longer range accuracy I can get.

I find the Vaquero, mine is in 45 Colt, balances well but I need to use strict trigger discipline to get the most out of it. That basically means taking my time and being sure to use the tip of my index finger. If I don't, I end up putting most of the trigger finger through the trigger guard.

Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 08:34 PM (bmdz3)

258 For more information, and just for you fellow morons I've re-started our 50% off sale, point your browser to: lawofselfdefense.com/insurance
Posted by: Andrew Branca

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Thank you Sir!

Posted by: Tonypete at August 25, 2019 08:34 PM (Y4EXg)

259 i thought this was a place for guidance. i'm a neophyte when it comes to rifles. i guess maybe it's on me for expecting too much. later.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:34 PM (KP5rU)

260 Yeah Ero I was joshing of course.

But I love the image of a big honking BAR [the military original] in a deer stand. Or an M1919 [might actually be easier - I think that one did have an actual instruction for firing off the tripod, hand-held, like the MG-42, and all makes of machine gunz in the movies].

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:34 PM (QDnY+)

261 but who knows for less sturdy ones?"

I've handled some old "Saturday night specials" that felt shakey just dry firing.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:34 PM (6qErC)

262 Have always wondered about that scene. Wouldn't work with the revolvers I have, I don't think, but who knows for less sturdy ones?

Posted by: rhomboid

Rohm .38. Probably.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:34 PM (bd376)

263 Posted by: Pod Hamp at August 25, 2019 08:31 PM (RBFmA)
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Thank you Pod Hamp! Glad to hear you're enjoying it!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

264 hey chip away at your rights...then they take what's left.
Posted by: torabora at August 25, 2019 08:13 PM (Y274z)

Firearms: A right supported by its own separate amendment in the Bill of Rights. Yet it is restricted, obstructed, and rendered virtually meaningless by a thousand different infringements on your right to own, transport and carry.

Abortion: A right found only in a contrived, made-up "Right to Privacy" portion of the Constitution. Yet anything that even renders abortion even merely inconvenient is utterly intolerable and struck down by Random Hawaiian Judges -- to the extent that if you don't want to pay for your own abortion the taxpayer must foot the bill. Because RIGHTS!!!

The dichotomy that we see every day proves that our laws are not being enforced equally and therefore, the social contract is broken.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2019 08:35 PM (amw5z)

265 I don't think I've properly congratulated Weasel on the occasion.

*pause*

So... congratulations, Weasel.

*fidgets awkwardly*

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:35 PM (t+qrx)

266 HandR made revolvers that came apart.

The cylinder was on a rod, the barrel could be screwed off, the Grips removed and the hammer and spring removed.

I had one in '72 a .38, cost about $50. wish I had it now

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 25, 2019 08:36 PM (cxIsI)

267
If chavez the hugo leaves, I'm leaving too!

Oh wait. I wasn't even in this thread.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 25, 2019 08:36 PM (Z+Eto)

268 Have always wondered about that scene. Wouldn't work with the revolvers I have, I don't think, but who knows for less sturdy ones?

There's more than one cowboy movie where they take a rifle by the barrel and smash it against a rock or something I'd think they would be more sturdy than that, but who knows.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:36 PM (KZzsI)

269 Filth is slang for the Police in NZ, OZ and UK.

Comes from "Dirty Copper"? Maybe?
Posted by: jakee308

Or just being disgusted with the gun grabbers. :-)

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:37 PM (bd376)

270 i thought this was a place for guidance. i'm a neophyte when it comes to rifles. i guess maybe it's on me for expecting too much. later.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:34 PM (KP5rU)
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It is, and I hope you'll come by again.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

271 I remember that scene from Godfather where he breaks up the revolver. It was probably some pot-metal import (worth no more than one murder and then discard). Which is of course the 'family' way.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2019 08:37 PM (UUkQp)

272 Sorry, not HandJ. Ivers and johnson was the name of the .38 revolver manufacture.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 25, 2019 08:37 PM (cxIsI)

273 what's to argue about? Tomato Tomahto.Guns! Yay! Blow shit up! Yay!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at August 25, 2019 08:37 PM (Zv1X1)

274 Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:35 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks bud. Looking forward to seeing you again in Texas!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

275 Website says Iver Johnson and they're still in business!

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 25, 2019 08:38 PM (cxIsI)

276 Sorry, not HandJ. Ivers and johnson was the name of the .38 revolver manufacture.
Posted by: jakee308

H & R. Harrington and Richardson.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:39 PM (bd376)

277 chavez come on, you know there is great gub knowledge here and people willing to help.

You are not among the most delicate commenters of the Horde - to judge by your comments. Carry on.

It's a free wheeling place here and as you know regulars spout off with gusto for fun, and ill will is rarely involved.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:39 PM (QDnY+)

278 Heh. Heh. Bluebell said the d word.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 08:39 PM (wFn+Y)

279 >>>These words were cited as a grievance against Santa Anna four days before the Alamo:

"(The Mexican government) has demanded us to deliver up our arms, which are essential to our defense, the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments."

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 25, 2019 07:56 PM (741cV)

Interesting words, "formidable only to tyrannical governments". There has been much conversation to what #2 extents to citizens. "Formidable to tyrannical government" is an interesting parameter.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 25, 2019 08:40 PM (pGnDm)

280 Rhomboid, the 1919 would work well in my stand, which is 2 sections of brick scaffold with a floor and roof. Although I may have to get a more compact executive desk chair.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2019 08:40 PM (UUkQp)

281 Any of "you people" have much (any) experience with the .22 Magnum?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

282 Any of "you people" have much (any) experience with the .22 Magnum?
Posted by: Weasel

No. :-(

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (bd376)

283 281 Any of "you people" have much (any) experience with the .22 Magnum?
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

What do you mean, "you people"?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (NWiLs)

284 Well I'd narrow it down and say this is for an old west gaming supplement, but the setting ranges from pre-civil war to the first decade of the 20th century so you'll have indians and some old mountain men still toting flintlocks up to some pretty modern guns.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:24 PM (KZzsI)

A sidelock (like a flintlock) will be pretty vulnerable at the hammer. Something like a Colt 1903 pocket hammerless, with very few moving external parts, will be a lot harder to just smash. It will depend on what it is, how disabled it needs to be, and how much time the person has.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (t+qrx)

285 take a rifle by the barrel and smash it against a rock or something"

Given the quality of cheap metalwork then, I'd say heavily damaging a lever action would be rather easy doing just that.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (6qErC)

286 "M1919 would be even better."

I actually got to fire a 100 or so belted rounds through an M1919 just last weekend.

Yes, it was arousing. :-)

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (eciqi)

287 . Ivers and johnson was the name of the .38 revolver manufacture.
I've got a top break Ivers and Johnson in .38 that I inherited from my dad. It is a conversation piece only.

Posted by: Panhandler at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (S/rwf)

288 Heh. Heh. Bluebell said the d word.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 08:39 PM (wFn+Y)
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I know. Frankly, I'm a little shocked.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

289 It's a free wheeling place here and as you know regulars spout off with gusto for fun, and ill will is rarely involved.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:39 PM (QDnY+)

THIS. I mean ya know carrots in chile, ketchup on steak, longbow crossbow. Blah blah.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (Zv1X1)

290 Cicero, well said, and exactly. And it leaves law-abiding people with some understanding of the constitution and history in a novel and awful position, recognizing the broken contract and pondering where that leaves things.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:42 PM (QDnY+)

291 277; true enough. feel stupid, now.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:42 PM (KP5rU)

292 Interesting words, "formidable only to tyrannical governments". There has been much conversation to what #2 extents to citizens. "Formidable to tyrannical government" is an interesting parameter.
Posted by: Braenyard

IOW, don't fuck with us and we won't point them at you.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:42 PM (bd376)

293 Fucking Bob Weir is about to start

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at August 25, 2019 08:43 PM (iCUDL)

294 Any of "you people" have much (any) experience with the .22 Magnum?"

Heritage w/22 Mag cylinder count?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:43 PM (6qErC)

295 291 277; true enough. feel stupid, now.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:42 PM (KP5rU)

Well you're in good company.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at August 25, 2019 08:43 PM (Zv1X1)

296 Website says Iver Johnson and they're still in business!
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 25, 2019 08:38 PM (cxIsI)

Someone bought the Iver Johnson name; it's a new company.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:44 PM (t+qrx)

297 Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (eciqi)
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Are you located anywhere near the mid-Atlantic?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

298 Heh. Heh. Bluebell said the d word.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 08:39 PM (wFn+Y)
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I know. Frankly, I'm a little shocked.
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (MVjcR)
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This place is a bad influence on me.

Posted by: bluebell at August 25, 2019 08:44 PM (aXucN)

299
There's more than one cowboy movie where they
take a rifle by the barrel and smash it against a rock or something I'd
think they would be more sturdy than that, but who knows.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 08:36 PM (KZzsI)

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The lock mechanism in old firearms is delicate compared to the modern ones.

Partly that's because the firing pin was still on the hammer, so if you cock it and them smash it against something, you'll likely break the lock.

It may not cock again, or be bent to one side.

One of my ancestors was burned alive by the Shawnee in 1782 and the reason we know the story was that the *other* captive escaped by pretending to need to pee and then hitting his captor with a tree branch and then - because they left the muskets nearby - smacking the flint locks with the same branch, breaking all of them.

With no means to shoot him, it came down to a foot race and he had the adrenaline edge to get away.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 25, 2019 08:44 PM (cfSRQ)

300 feel stupid, now."

Now?

I only feel stupid on days that end in "y".

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:45 PM (6qErC)

301 291 277; true enough. feel stupid, now.
Posted by: chavez the hugo

Good. It's settled. You're not going anywhere. Grab another ice tea and settle in.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:45 PM (bd376)

302 Any of "you people" have much (any) experience with the .22 Magnum?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

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we have several, and a stack of ammo, but haven't been to the range with any of it yet...

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 08:45 PM (gi85U)

303 Grump928 - I concur that Berettas are purty guns. I own a Beretta 84F (13-round double stack) and an 85F (8-round single stack), both in .380 ACP. Gianettta and Giada.

Posted by: butch at August 25, 2019 08:45 PM (hXu8T)

304 281 Any of "you people" have much (any) experience with the .22 Magnum?

Nope, but I would like to get a WMR cylinder for my Ruger Single Six. I have been told that that would have to be done at the factory so I haven't pursued it yet. It's about number 173 on my list of gun lusts.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 08:45 PM (qc+VF)

305 "Are you located anywhere near the mid-Atlantic?"

Currently in Colorado. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:45 PM (eciqi)

306 First gun should be a .22, my opinion.
Inexpensive, fairly quiet (can always use shorts with a pump, lever, or single shot), and is the go-to gun for small game.
Didn't most of y'all learn to shoot on a .22?

Posted by: MarkY at August 25, 2019 08:45 PM (4QJX6)

307 Fucking Bob Weir is about to start"

Pr0n channel?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:46 PM (6qErC)

308 And BTW, Weasel, that cake is totally Teh Ghey. But it does appear to have a .50 projectile atop it, so special dispensation. Unless it was from Madonna's bra.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 08:46 PM (wFn+Y)

309
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:42 PM (KP5rU)
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No worries, man!
Tell us what you're thinking in an AR platform and I'm sure you'll get some good advice. You're also welcome to email me too.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

310 Darn you Branca! M1919 is my favorite WWII machine gun [belt fed category], have never fired one. Compact, comparatively light even including the tripod, for the firepower it delivered.

Maybe I should try to look up that owner who's part of the Big Sandy shoot near Yuma, in the spring, met him at the range years back, he gave me his # in case I wanted to come out to the owners' "pre-shoot" the weekend before. He had BARs, a Maxim gun, other stuff, but no 1919, but others would.

There's always Battlefield Vegas.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:47 PM (QDnY+)

311 Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:44 PM (t+qrx)

Yeah, I see that. They're selling shotguns and 1911's.

Too bad.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 25, 2019 08:47 PM (cxIsI)

312 First gun should be a .22, my opinion.
Inexpensive, fairly quiet (can always use shorts with a pump, lever, or single shot), and is the go-to gun for small game.
Didn't most of y'all learn to shoot on a .22?
Posted by: MarkY

At 6 yrs old. Still using it. Winchester Model 69A.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:47 PM (bd376)

313 Martini Farme @ 12 - I don't know if anybody else had chimed in, but my go-to for heavy duty cleaning is Gun Scrub with a wire brush. Then Hoppes.

Posted by: butch at August 25, 2019 08:47 PM (hXu8T)

314 Weasel, experience with Taurus .22 mag Tracker revolver in 5.5" barrel, and KelTec PMR-30 (which Mrs. E used in the great AoS shootout! a ways back), both really great shooters. If you bring the ammo (not Armscor PMR-30 won't eat it) I might be able to dredge them up from the bottom.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2019 08:48 PM (UUkQp)

315 Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (eciqi)

Andrew, if you're willing to comment, I name-checked you back around comment 40-something.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 08:48 PM (qc+VF)

316 Then Hoppes"

Hoppes on everything.

Except chili.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:48 PM (6qErC)

317 Heritage w/22 Mag cylinder count?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:43 PM (6qErC)
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That's exactly what I'm talking about, I think. Care to share your opinion?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

318
Any of "you people" have much (any) experience with the .22 Magnum?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:40 PM

not yet; I just ordered the 22Mag cylinder for my Heritage Rough Rider, so I can report back in four to six weeks

Posted by: AltonJackson
The MiMoMe & Emporium is 21SEP19
in Chelsea, Michigan
details soon
at August 25, 2019 08:49 PM (KCxzN)

319 not yet; I just ordered the 22Mag cylinder for my Heritage Rough Rider, so I can report back in four to six weeks
Posted by: AltonJackson
at August 25, 2019 08:49 PM (KCxzN)

woot woot

*waves 'call me' hand gesture*

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:50 PM (t+qrx)

320 Care to share your opinion?"

Sure.

I like it. A lot.

Taciturn, I am...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:50 PM (6qErC)

321 This place is a bad influence on me.
Posted by: bluebell at August 25, 2019 08:44 PM

But you, young lady, have a beneficent influence on us.

Not that I'd ever tell you.

* looks down, scuffs dirt with shoe *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 08:50 PM (DMUuz)

322 Ivers and johnson was the name of the .38 revolver manufacture.
I've got a top break Ivers and Johnson in .38 that I inherited from my dad. It is a conversation piece only.
Posted by: Panhandler at August 25, 2019 08:41 PM (S/rwf)

Yup....got a couple of Ivers in .38 S&W. They shoot, but one is out of timing and I have to spin the cylinder by hand. Top break design built at the teens and 20's I believe.

One has the owl head grips and the other has the target grips. Back in their day they were the bedside defense revolver.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 25, 2019 08:51 PM (Z+IKu)

323 Then Hoppes"

Hoppes on everything.

Except chili.
Posted by: Anon a mouse

A couple of dabs behind your significant other's ears.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:51 PM (bd376)

324 316
Then Hoppes"

Hoppes on everything.

Except chili.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:48 PM (6qErC)

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I stopped using Hoppes this spring. Worked well enough, but stinks up the house and the wife complains.

So I use Break-Free CLP and it seems to work as well without the stink. Seems a champ at getting gunk and carbon out, but not so much on scrubbing the bore, which requires me to use extra elbow grease and a wire brush.

It seems to have rejuvenated the much-reviled Dreyse M1907, so there's that.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 25, 2019 08:51 PM (cfSRQ)

325 Bending a barrel bare handed is possible but not advisable if you fire the weapon so much the barrel is glowing.

Even with asbestos gloves it can be quite ouchie.

Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclops at August 25, 2019 08:52 PM (xV6Pj)

326
Currently in Colorado. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:45 PM (eciqi)
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I was going to invite you to the farm on a machine gun weekend, but Colorado would be a bit of a drive.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

327 309: weasel, i have no idea, that's why i asked. i have not kept up on modern day weaponry. it's embarrassing.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:52 PM (KP5rU)

328 butch/Grump - I really wanted to get a purty Beretta .38O but they dropped off the idiotic CA "roster" before I pulled the trigger. Handled one at a shop, was very nice. For now I've got the CZ-83, also very nice, filling that niche, but always check the ads for a used one here in CA [yeah, that makes effing sense - a "roster" based on "safety" allows LE to buy off-list gunz, OR private citizens to buy them second-hand - WTF?? And this absurd law keeps passing judicial tests - surprise!].

That stainless Beretta .38O was especially purty.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:52 PM (QDnY+)

329 "Andrew, if you're willing to comment, I name-checked you back around comment 40-something."

I'll take a look.

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:54 PM (eciqi)

330 Heh.
It's an odd thing. More "crack" and fury and more recoil (this is a lightweight revolver, so...), and greater distance. 50 feet w/22 is a guessing game, but with practice the mag can hit targets quite a ways off, and seems to be more accurate overall (I know, there are other variables). I highly recommend!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:54 PM (6qErC)

331 "I was going to invite you to the farm on a machine gun weekend, but Colorado would be a bit of a drive."

That's much appreciated, but just did a machine gun shoot last weekend, and that involved a flight. Maybe next year!

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:55 PM (eciqi)

332 325
Bending a barrel bare handed is possible but not advisable if you fire the weapon so much the barrel is glowing.

Even with asbestos gloves it can be quite ouchie.

Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclops at August 25, 2019 08:52 PM (xV6Pj)

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You might set the foregrips on fire first.

Seen it happen. Kind of amusing to watch the smoke start to curl out around the barrel.(It was an SKS. Anyone surprised?)

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 25, 2019 08:55 PM (cfSRQ)

333 A couple of dabs behind your significant other's ears.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:51 PM

Let's not forget the popliteal regions.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 08:55 PM (DMUuz)

334 weasel, i have no idea, that's why i asked. i have not kept up on modern day weaponry. it's embarrassing.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 08:52 PM (KP5rU)
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No problem. Are you wondering which to get?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:55 PM (MVjcR)

335 I have an Ivers Johnson 28 gauge Single shot shot gun. Never fired it. 28 gauge shells are hard to find. Not impossible, but not plentiful.

Posted by: Ronster at August 25, 2019 08:55 PM (NOanj)

336 Andrew Branca, kudos on your Law of Self Defense book. Ive tried to commit it to memory. As a recovering lawyer and gunny, I appreciate the guidance.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 08:55 PM (wFn+Y)

337 281 ... "Any of "you people" have much (any) experience with the .22 Magnum?"

I have several single-action revolvers that have a 22 mag cylinder. I found the Heritage Rough Rider was more accurate with the mag than long rifle. The Rugers were a toss up. The recoil, while not bad, is much more obvious with the magnum. The round has a number of uses for hunting, so I've read. Not sure there is any target shooting advantage to them. And they cost a lot more.

Did you have a specific use in mind?

Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 08:56 PM (bmdz3)

338 1. Weasel.... Congrats and Bravo Zulu on not only "one year", but a year of great information, great fun and great friendship. You da man!

2. I believe that we need to commission a Corsicana bakery to make a clone of that cake, and have it at the Mo Meet.

3. Mind if the filling is made of Tannerite?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 08:56 PM (QzJWU)

339 A couple of dabs behind your significant other's ears.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 08:51 PM

Let's not forget the popliteal regions.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 08:55 PM (DMUuz)

Those are very nice this time of year.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 08:56 PM (t+qrx)

340 i have not kept up on modern day weaponry. it's embarrassing"

No it isn't. I prefer revolvers, bolt actions, and lever actions. And still look a bit sideways at the various plastic offerings...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:57 PM (6qErC)

341 Bob the Bilderberg, that Michigan appellate decision is wildly overblown. I wrote about in some detail at my blog, the specific post is here: https://lawofselfdefense.com/does-michigan-decision-expand-self-defense/

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:57 PM (eciqi)

342 Only .22WMR is the Single Six with two cylinders. Have shot some WMR, was fun. Don't hunt so no particular use for mag - but I bought a bunch of the ammo anyway [and that was a few years ago, before CA idiocy ramped up even more]. Love the Single Six. Was the first gun I shot, as a yute. I used to always start with it for any range session, to "warm up", practice trigger pull, breathing, focus, etc. Gotta get back to that. Good tradition.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 08:57 PM (QDnY+)

343
Can we please not have a shootout on the Gun Thread Birthday/Anniversary? Thank You!
Posted by: Weasel

It's not OK corral?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 25, 2019 08:58 PM (aKsyK)

344 Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 08:55 PM (eciqi)
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Invitation stands. Just drop me a line when you're in the area. It's pretty low key - just a couple of guys shooting for funsies.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

345 Let's not forget the popliteal regions.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 08:55 PM

Ticklish work, there, but could be fun.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2019 08:59 PM (rBtIz)

346 Let's not forget the popliteal regions."

That the guy selling stuff on TV?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 08:59 PM (6qErC)

347 Andrew, thank you. Pulling it up now.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 08:59 PM (qc+VF)

348 Andrew, if you can brutally summarize, was the appellate decision "overblown" good, or bad, from the perspective of common sense and the constitution, i.e. from gun owners/CCers perspective?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)

349 RI Red: "Andrew Branca, kudos on your Law of Self Defense book. Ive tried to commit it to memory. As a recovering lawyer and gunny, I appreciate the guidance."

That's very kind of you. We also do blog posts pretty much every day, for folks who are interested in self-defense law stuff.

Each day's post is freely available, then as posts age they get locked down for our members.

But the most recent post is always free, the most recent three posts are free for Bronze members (which costs nothing, but you do have to register because Bronze comes with commenting privileges and we need some control over those). Then there are higher levels of membership, of course, and those actually cost a few pennies a day.

Info here: lawofselfdefense.com/join

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 09:00 PM (eciqi)

350 334; weasel, yes. that would help big time. i'm flying blind here. the only rifle i have is a winchester 1893 .32 special. lever action.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 09:00 PM (KP5rU)

351 Did you have a specific use in mind?

Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 08:56 PM (bmdz3)
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No, not really. I have a pal with one that I've fired, and another pal with a little derringer looking thing in that caliber. Just wondering what you all think of the round. It's surprising with all the bang and flash and so little recoil.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

352 3. Mind if the filling is made of Tannerite?
Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 08:56 PM (QzJWU)

𝅘𝅥𝅮 Someone left the cake out on the range...

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)

353 I have an Ivers Johnson 28 gauge Single shot shot gun. Never fired it. 28 gauge shells are hard to find. Not impossible, but not plentiful.
Posted by: Ronster

As odd as it sounds, check Wal Mart. I've seen a couple of boxes there. Also, Cabelas's.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 09:01 PM (bd376)

354 Can we please not have a shootout on the Gun Thread Birthday/Anniversary? Thank You!

Posted by: Weasel

It's not OK corral?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 25, 2019 08:58 PM (aKsyK)

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I should think it mandatory.

Pew! Pew!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 25, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)

355 Heritage Rough Rider was more accurate with the mag than long rifle. "

Indeed. Quite the surprise. Would likely be a more potent round than at first glance.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 09:01 PM (6qErC)

356 and that, Officer, is when the fight started...

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 09:02 PM (gi85U)

357 And Andrew, if I might ask for the good of the order - are there any actually good blogs for following 2A judicial/constitutional matters?

I rely on the more learned commenters at a few sites, for now, have not found a dedicated blog on the topic.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:02 PM (QDnY+)

358 Thanks rickb223

Posted by: Ronster at August 25, 2019 09:02 PM (NOanj)

359 There was a case in Idaho of brandishing. Two hunters on foot with rifles; two guys each on 4 wheelers. They had a disagreement. One of the guys on a 4 wheeler brandished his pistol to the hunters on foot, one of whom immediately shot and killed the brandisher. No charged were brought. There is a lesson in there somewhere.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at August 25, 2019 09:03 PM (gSgAd)

360
Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 08:56 PM (QzJWU)
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Thank you, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

361 "Andrew, if you can brutally summarize, was the appellate decision "overblown" good, or bad, from the perspective of common sense and the constitution, i.e. from gun owners/CCers perspective?"

The decision doesn't really change anything. Whether a particular display ("brandishing"/"threatening") of a firearm constitutes a deadly force threat or a non-deadly force threat just normally is an issue of fact that falls within the province of the jury--it's the jury's call to make. The reversal in Michigan was because the judge made that call as a matter of law, without giving the jury the choice. The appellate court simply correctly noted that this was reversible error, because it's up to the jury, not the judge, to make that call. No big deal. This is the kind of reversal that happens every day, all over the country. Doesn't really change gun law or self-defense law at all.

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 09:04 PM (eciqi)

362 Late to gun thread. Congratulations on 1 year in Mr Weasel..
On the range all day, every day.
The po po are the filth.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 09:04 PM (12qmF)

363 Well happy trails, y'all. 0400 and what not.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2019 09:04 PM (UUkQp)

364 Anybody else build/shoot oddball AR pattern rifles? So far, I've acquired a 450 Bushmaster (Remington), and built a LR308 (AR-10) chambered in 375 Raptor (modified 308, necked up to 375 caliber). And I've ordered a LR308 upper from Bishop Ammunition chambered in a real freak of a cartridge: 475 Bishop Short Magnum. Supposedly, this round generates around 5,000 fpe at the muzzle! Practically pointless but WTH? So, are there any other morons out there that are simply bored with 223 and 308?

Both AR 10's are .308. AR15's are: 5.56, 6.5 Grendel (my favorite), and 7.62 x 39. Been considering a .350 Legend but fear of caliber creep has kept my wants in check.....so far. I don't think I will add anything to the AR10 platform. Loaded up it is a pretty heavy rifle. The 15's get exercised much more frequently.

Posted by: Agitator at August 25, 2019 09:05 PM (m9DnX)

365 chavez, any particular use in mind for the rifle? Target, hunting, social...?

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:05 PM (t+qrx)

366 Andrew, I hadn't seen your last comment re your website when I posed my question. If you keep up with all the various judicial fronts for 2A, then I guess part of your answer is "my website"!

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:05 PM (QDnY+)

367 Hello, Horde! Late again. I did not go shooting. And I'm gonna miss opening day of bird season. I am stuck for two weeks at Langley Air Patch. The upside is, when I get home,I'm taking the scouts to Bowman Lake in Glacier and then... OMFG my 45th HS reunion. You'd figure this couldn't be so since I'm only 29, but...

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at August 25, 2019 09:05 PM (T6YmM)

368 32 special. lever action."

Or .32 - 20?

If so, that's a bit of an antique, and might be time to retire it.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 09:06 PM (6qErC)

369 I am so lucky. Mrs. JTB likes the aroma of Hoppes.

Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 09:06 PM (bmdz3)

370 There is a lesson in there somewhere.

Don't point any gun you do not intend to shoot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 25, 2019 09:06 PM (KZzsI)

371 Andrew, thanks. Yep, procedural error, no wider legal meaning from those cases.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:06 PM (QDnY+)

372 BTW, Any one got any idea as to why I can comment to the site on this crappy old laptop, but can't on my phone or iPad?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at August 25, 2019 09:07 PM (T6YmM)

373 Don't point any gun you do not intend to shoot"

Indeed.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 09:07 PM (6qErC)

374 Weasel, Congratulations on a year of outstanding information on all things gun.

Your style and charm shine through, and that CBD guy needs to lower his fee.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 25, 2019 09:07 PM (6dEJQ)

375 365; piece of mind. i want one. gave up hunting, just want something fun to shoot. i'm pretty laid back.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 09:07 PM (KP5rU)

376 I'll try to catch up

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at August 25, 2019 09:07 PM (T6YmM)

377 weasel, yes. that would help big time. i'm flying blind here. the only rifle i have is a winchester 1893 .32 special. lever action.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 09:00 PM (KP5rU)
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OK - ask away here, or send me an email if you prefer.
If I were thinking about getting a rifle, I'd probably get a very basic centerfire AR-15. In fact, my first rifle was a very basic centerfire AR-15. And they're pretty affordable right now, too. Can you tell us what type of shooting you plan to do?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

378 Been considering a .350 Legend but fear of caliber creep has kept my wants in check.....so far.

Caliber creep is a huge fear. So many calibers, so little money.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 09:08 PM (bd376)

379 Was gonna say, chavez, cool lever rifle! In an original caliber. Probably a soft shooter, just guessing. If not an antique, as noted by another here, should be a hoot - though would require reloading to supply your ammo, or $$$ stuff from Fiocchi or the like.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:09 PM (QDnY+)

380 FWIW, there are a number of good lever actions on the market today - it would take hours to go thru even some...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 09:09 PM (6qErC)

381 rhomboid: "If you keep up with all the various judicial fronts for 2A"

To be clear, my legal expertise is "use-of-force law," not gun law or 2A law. I'm a gun person, carry a gun every day for personal protection, NRA instructor, etc., so I'm not utterly ignorant on those topics, I know a bit of gun law and 2A law, but I wouldn't claim any great degree of expertise there.

WHEN you can USE the gun, then I'm your guy. :-)

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at August 25, 2019 09:09 PM (eciqi)

382 Late to gun thread. Congratulations on 1 year in Mr Weasel..
On the range all day, every day.
The po po are the filth.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 09:04 PM (12qmF)
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Thank you, NZFrank! I was getting ready to form a search party for you. How's things?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:10 PM (MVjcR)

383 368: total antique. friend of mine shot a deer with it about ten years ago. great brush gun. old as fuck.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 09:10 PM (KP5rU)

384 BTW, Any one got any idea as to why I can comment to the site on this crappy old laptop, but can't on my phone or iPad?
Posted by: McGyver at August 25, 2019 09:07 PM (T6YmM)

https://stoatnet.org/500/

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:10 PM (t+qrx)

385 The decision doesn't really change anything.

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 09:04 PM (eciqi)

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Having read your blog, I completely agree.

When I did the NRA class (before Michigan was a shall-issue state) they had a local prosecutor come out and run us through scenarios where we were asked if we should draw our gun.

No matter the situation, he could outline how he could prosecute us.

Basically, treat the gub as a weapon of last resort.

One thing people asked was: is it lawful to go from concealed carry to open carry? (I.e. not drawing the weapon, but merely revealing it.)

To this there was no good answer. The prosecutor said even leaving it untouched in the holster would get you a charge of brandishing.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 25, 2019 09:10 PM (cfSRQ)

386 LOL
https://abc7.com/society/2-trans-women-
gay-man-ejected-from-dtla-bar/5490862/

they're complaining because security used force on them that they didn't use on the other parties.

but if you read the details, both parties were asked to leave, and security only got physical with those who refuse to leave under their own power.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 09:10 PM (gi85U)

387 377: weasel, probably target, mostly. and varmints.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 09:12 PM (KP5rU)

388 Happy Birthday!

I see there's cake.

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:12 PM (GaOgf)

389 Ok, see y'all in the am...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 25, 2019 09:13 PM (6qErC)

390 chavez, for funsies, matter of personal taste.

I shoot for fun and enjoy bolt, lever, and semi.

Of course I also like everything from light lagers to Imperial stouts.

Broad tastes, or no taste? I think the former.

As Weasel asks, what kind of shooting? Next, practical issues - cost of ammo [it can vary quite a bit between calibers], will it be a rifle others, including women or young people, might be shooting, etc.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:13 PM (QDnY+)

391 BTW, Any one got any idea as to why I can comment to the site on this crappy old laptop, but can't on my phone or iPad?

A 500 error and a page of red stack trace? Probably "smart punctuation." Go to Setting -> General -> Keyboard. Find "Smart Punctuation" and set it to off.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 09:13 PM (qc+VF)

392 Posted by: Ben Had at August 25, 2019 09:07 PM (6dEJQ)
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Thank you my friend!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:13 PM (MVjcR)

393 Got to the range this week and took along the newest acquisitions.

S&W 610. 6" barrel
Sig P227 (used)
Sig P938 (used)
Rock Island Ultra FS HC in 10mm

The 610 is a joy to shoot.

Need to drift the P938's rear sight a touch.
The P227 feels and shoots like my P220.
The 10mm does need more shooting to break in. Got some MecGar mags coming for it tomorrow. The factory mag spring need to be a touch strong, I think.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 25, 2019 09:13 PM (di1hb)

394 364...

6.5 Grendel is a great cartridge, and easy to shoot in a light rifle. Practicality wise, the 450 Bushmaster makes the most sense for me, as I like to hunt hogs at close to medium range. But I build these guns because it's fun, so why stick with "practical"!

Posted by: WVinMN at August 25, 2019 09:14 PM (Ch3vq)

395 59 Has this blog (or this thread) ever had a commenter with a high-level DoD (or other DC agency) security clearance?

Jus wondering. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:20 PM (L2ZTs)

Yes. Why do you ask?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at August 25, 2019 09:14 PM (T6YmM)

396 i still have ammo for the winchester .32.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 09:14 PM (KP5rU)

397 one of the best things about the AR-15 center fire lower, is that you can have many different uppers, in various calibers, for different uses.

the rim fire version does not give you the same flexibility.

and uppers are NOT a weapon, so you can have them shipped to your home w/ no wait or checks.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 09:15 PM (gi85U)

398 Andrew, thanks, and thanks for the great work you do for the CCers of America.

And thanks for dropping in to the HQ's gun thread!

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:15 PM (QDnY+)

399 59 Has this blog (or this thread) ever had a commenter with a high-level DoD (or other DC agency) security clearance?

Jus wondering. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 25, 2019 07:20 PM (L2ZTs)

Only Bob, from NSA.

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:15 PM (GaOgf)

400 Late to gun thread. Congratulations on 1 year in Mr Weasel..
On the range all day, every day.
The po po are the filth.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 09:04 PM (12qmF)
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Thank you, NZFrank! I was getting ready to form a search party for you. How's things?
Posted by: Weasel

Yay! NZFrank is in da house!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 09:16 PM (bd376)

401 Things are good. Pulled back muscles drenching sheep so my man cave gun room project on a slow time effort today. Trying to get so many mg transit cases into a very limited area. 1st world problem.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 09:16 PM (12qmF)

402 Is there any more cake?

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:16 PM (GaOgf)

403 BTW, Happy Anniversary Weasel!

Posted by: WVinMN at August 25, 2019 09:16 PM (Ch3vq)

404 IMG, nice quiver there .....

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:16 PM (QDnY+)

405 385 "The prosecutor said even leaving it untouched in the holster would get you a charge of brandishing."

A brandishing charge for a holstered gun would be pretty tricky. But it doesn't matter--if they can't hit you with brandishing, they'll try aggravated assault, which is a felony generally good for 10 years, probably a lot more with a gun sentencing enhancement.

Getting charged, and convicted, of aggravated assault is a lot easier than many people imagine. Most of the cases I work on involve otherwise law-abiding people who have never been in trouble with the law a day in their lives, and suddenly find themselves looking at an agg-assault felony and a multi-decade felony sentence.

Don't go getting into fights you don't need to get into, folks. Make sure the stakes you're fighting for are worth the risks you're incurring.

Mostly, they're not. (Of course, when they ARE, then nothing will do but fighting 150%, so it's important to know which response is the right one.)

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at August 25, 2019 09:17 PM (eciqi)

406 Happy Birthday Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at August 25, 2019 09:17 PM (arJlL)

407 i better go get started on dinner: it's a w*rk night here at the FOB...

catch ya on the ONT later.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 25, 2019 09:17 PM (gi85U)

408 weasel, probably target, mostly. and varmints.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 09:12 PM (KP5rU)
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The AR is probably the most "general purpose" rifle which is why about a zillion of them have been sold. There are alternatives though - for example bolt-action rifles. All of my match guns are bolt action, but that's a totally different type of shooting. If we run out of time tonight, please send me an email and I can elaborate.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:18 PM (MVjcR)

409 OK boys, steady, no lazy HQ cracks involving sheep and NZ Frank ......

And yeah, I *hate* it when I can't store all my machine gun cases the way I want. Life can be a challenge.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:18 PM (QDnY+)

410 Is there any more cake?
Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:16 PM (GaOgf)

The Enrichment Center is committed to the well being of all participants. Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Thank you for helping us help you help us all.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:19 PM (t+qrx)

411 Happy Birthday!

I see there's cake.

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:12 PM (GaOgf)
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Yes! Help yourself to cake!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:19 PM (MVjcR)

412 Chavez.... I'm seconding Weasel's advice.

Get a good quality, baseline AR-15. Because it's such a modular system, you can Barbie Doll it up, down or sideways to suit your tastes and preferences.

The more you learn about it, it's accessories and options for modifications, the better you'll be able to "tune it" to your needs, vs. having to tune YOU to adapt to some rifle you end up not really liking.

Plus, you can change it's dimensions to an astonishing degree, so you can make it FIT you, your body type, your shooting posture, etc.

My suggestion? Go with a Ruger AR-15. Good reputation, affordable, well-reputed factory support.

It's "good enough", unless you're heading over to the sandbox with serious intent.

My $0.02, etc.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 09:20 PM (QzJWU)

413 'BTW, Any one got any idea as to why I can comment to the site on this crappy old laptop, but can't on my phone or iPad? '

Anything that had the Y2K patches applied is no longer fully compatible with Minx 0.7 alpha.

Posted by: freaked at August 25, 2019 09:20 PM (Tnijr)

414 Happy Birthday Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at August 25, 2019 09:17 PM (arJlL)
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Thanks JT!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:20 PM (MVjcR)

415 One year anniversary, congrats and thank you for all fifty two easy Sunday evenings.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 25, 2019 09:20 PM (pGnDm)

416 Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:19 PM (t+qrx)

There's a test??? What kind of test?

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:20 PM (GaOgf)

417 Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:19 PM (MVjcR)

There's a good man. Can I have it ala mode?

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:21 PM (GaOgf)

418 Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:19 PM (t+qrx)

There's a test??? What kind of test?
Posted by: ALH

Crap. My dog ate the test preparation materials.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 09:22 PM (bd376)

419 Andrew, thank you for the article. I think we are basically in agreement about the potential for confusion and increased risk for self-defenders. I had no idea about the whole "is brandishing a deadly or non-deadly use of force" distinction being up to a jury. I had alway thought that it was black letter law. I will keep the tab open an re-read your article at least two more times.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 09:22 PM (qc+VF)

420 There's a test??? What kind of test?

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:20 PM (GaOgf)

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It was my understanding that there would be no math.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 25, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)

421 BTW, Happy Anniversary Weasel!

Posted by: WVinMN at August 25, 2019 09:16 PM (Ch3vq)
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Thank you WVinMN!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:22 PM (MVjcR)

422 OK boys, steady, no lazy HQ cracks involving sheep and NZ Frank ......
Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:18 PM

I have been reliably informed by a number of Kiwis over the years that the rumors concerning sheep and New Zealanders are scurrilous.

They are, however, true regarding Aussies.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 09:23 PM (DMUuz)

423 There's a test??? What kind of test?
Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:20 PM (GaOgf)

Please be advised that a noticeable taste of blood is not part of any test protocol but is an unintended side effect of the Aperture Science Material Emancipation Grill, which may, in semi-rare cases, emancipate dental fillings, crowns, tooth enamel, and teeth.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:23 PM (t+qrx)

424 Hi Chavez,

I tend to keep things simple for the most part, which is why I like bolt action rifles and single shots. Easy to clean and maintain and can be deadly accurate. And I'm not in a hurry to shoot up ammo. Unless you need something more powerful, I would go with a 22lr.

Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 09:23 PM (bmdz3)

425 OK boys, steady, no lazy HQ cracks involving sheep and NZ Frank ......
Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:18 PM

I have been reliably informed by a number of Kiwis over the years that the rumors concerning sheep and New Zealanders are scurrilous.

They are, however, true regarding Aussies.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

What about Tasmanians? Those devils....

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 09:24 PM (bd376)

426 Well, it's late, so happy anniversary and hopefully next weekend I'll have a range report.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 25, 2019 09:24 PM (cfSRQ)

427 One year anniversary, congrats and thank you for all fifty two easy Sunday evenings.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 25, 2019 09:20 PM (pGnDm)
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You are very welcome, Braeyard!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

428 199 Anybody else build/shoot oddball AR pattern rifles? So far, I've acquired a 450 Bushmaster (Remington), and built a LR308 (AR-10) chambered in 375 Raptor (modified 308, necked up to 375 caliber). And I've ordered a LR308 upper from Bishop Ammunition chambered in a real freak of a cartridge: 475 Bishop Short Magnum. Supposedly, this round generates around 5,000 fpe at the muzzle! Practically pointless but WTH? So, are there any other morons out there that are simply bored with 223 and 308?
Posted by: WVinMN at August 25, 2019 08:17 PM (pV4s0)

Son and I each did one 50 Beowulf. He did not put a brake on it. Heh.

We have parts inbound for building a pair in 350 Legend.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 25, 2019 09:24 PM (di1hb)

429 Is there any more cake?

The cake was a lie.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 09:25 PM (qc+VF)

430 Please be advised that a noticeable taste of blood is not part of any test protocol but is an unintended side effect of the Aperture Science Material Emancipation Grill, which may, in semi-rare cases, emancipate dental fillings, crowns, tooth enamel, and teeth.
Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:23 PM (t+qrx)

That sounds like work. Cake is not work.

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:25 PM (GaOgf)

431 The ironically named NY S.A.F.E. Act is an abomination unto the Lord...

Also, that cake is gheyer than a tap-dancing hyena!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at August 25, 2019 09:25 PM (7WaWV)

432 An idea for a possible gun thread: CCW insurance programs and the pluses and minuses of those we are familiar with

Yes, please. This is an excellent idea.

Posted by: Emmie at August 25, 2019 09:26 PM (i/wJA)

433 Sheep are not sexy.
Changing out hot barrels on belt fed weapons I must admit can sometimes be slightly arousing. If it's just for fun and not on the job. If it's on the job indirect 81mm fire is definitely arousing.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 09:26 PM (12qmF)

434 I had no idea about the whole "is brandishing a deadly or non-deadly use of force" distinction being up to a jury. I had alway thought that it was black letter law. I will keep the tab open an re-read your article at least two more times.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 25, 2019 09:22 PM (qc+VF)

I wasn't aware of that either, and I really ought to know. Whether a particular act constitutes defense would be something I'd expect to be up to a jury, but not whether or not an act is "deadly force" or not.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:26 PM (t+qrx)

435 That 1892 .32... would that be black powder cartridge?
Or were all the weapons solid case ammo at that point?
I know I have an 1878 S&W that is black powder, but looks like a modern firearm (except it breaks up).

Posted by: MarkY at August 25, 2019 09:27 PM (4QJX6)

436 412; thanks, jim. i appreciate your input. always have.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 09:27 PM (KP5rU)

437 Crap. My dog ate the test preparation materials.
Posted by: rickb223

Tomorrow ya can piece it together.

Like a smelly jigsaw puzzle.

Posted by: JT at August 25, 2019 09:27 PM (arJlL)

438 Whether a particular act constitutes defense would be something I'd expect to be up to a jury, but not whether or not an act is "deadly force" or not.
Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:26 PM (t+qrx)

Mis-typed, should have been "whether a particular act is justified in that case".

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:27 PM (t+qrx)

439 What Weasel hasn't told anyone, but which may or may not be revealed on the ONT, is who is inside the cake, waiting for the music to start to make their 'surprise' appearance.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 09:27 PM (DMUuz)

440
we can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the cake

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 25, 2019 09:27 PM (KCxzN)

441 @realDonaldTrump

In France we are all laughing at how knowingly inaccurate the U.S. reporting of events and conversations at the G-7 is. These Leaders, and many others, are getting a major case study of Fake News at it's finest! They've got it all wrong, from Iran, to China Tariffs, to Boris!

The question I was asked most today by fellow World Leaders, who think the USA is doing so well and is stronger than ever before, happens to be, "Mr. President, why does the American media hate your Country so much? Why are they rooting for it to fail?"

He knows how to push buttons.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 25, 2019 09:28 PM (LxTcq)

442 They should make a 410 double barrel shotgun with barrels capable of firing .45 LC. I think it would sell.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 25, 2019 09:29 PM (pGnDm)

443 At work, the solution offered for a work place shooting is Run, Hide, Fight. It's brilliant.

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:29 PM (GaOgf)

444 404 IMG, nice quiver there .....

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:16 PM (QDnY+)

Thank you, sir.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 25, 2019 09:29 PM (di1hb)

445 Also, that cake is gheyer than a tap-dancing hyena!

But not as a Kansas City faggot, right ?

Posted by: JT at August 25, 2019 09:29 PM (arJlL)

446 The use of cake is justified in this scenario.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:30 PM (t+qrx)

447 Background investigations for clearances are different and I don't think enter into it.

They don't. I just had that discussion with the guy I was buying a Mossberg 500 from.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at August 25, 2019 09:30 PM (7s3Gx)

448 446 The use of cake is justified in this scenario.
Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:30 PM (t+qrx)

Especially if it has chocolate frosting.

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:31 PM (GaOgf)

449 One thing people asked was: is it lawful to go from concealed carry to open carry? (I.e. not drawing the weapon, but merely revealing it.)

To this there was no good answer. The prosecutor said even leaving it untouched in the holster would get you a charge of brandishing.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

I guess it would depend on the state. How does to prosecutor square open carry? How is open carry brandishing?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 09:31 PM (bd376)

450 That cake is the best part of the whole damn thread!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:32 PM (FWLEy)

451 450 That cake is the best part of the whole damn thread!
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:32 PM (FWLEy)

Agreed.

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:32 PM (GaOgf)

452 428...

I hear you on the 50 Beowulf! The 475 DEFINITELY is coming with a break. A very large break!

Posted by: WVinMN at August 25, 2019 09:33 PM (Ch3vq)

453 And I agree with JTB re: the single shot LR in .22.
Until firing a weapon comes kinda natural, it's best to have to go through all the motions to fire one.
I'd also start shooting at a range, maybe even a basic class to start.
Things a lot of us learned by going hunting with Pop and the old relatives for years before being allowed to carry won't come natural at first.
I remember the first time my brothers and I went with Dad to a friend's farm to hunt over dogs for the first time. It was a 2-3 hour drive.
After the chit-chat and ground rules, the other guy's sons loaded up the shotguns, and each of them threw off the safety. Pop challenged them. Their Dad said, "That's the way we hunt".
We drove home.
Never forgot that.

Posted by: MarkY at August 25, 2019 09:34 PM (4QJX6)

454 "For many of you, I realize 60 dollars is an unprecedented windfall, so don't go spending it all on... I don't know. Caroline, what do these people buy? Tattered hats? Beard dirt?"

- Cave Johnson

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at August 25, 2019 09:35 PM (7s3Gx)

455 Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at August 25, 2019 09:35 PM (7s3Gx)

I didn't think they could possibly top the dialogue from the first one, and then the mad bastards went and did it.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:36 PM (t+qrx)

456 Weasel....sent'cha a "scope" email for your opinionating thereon.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 09:36 PM (QzJWU)

457 we can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the cake
Posted by: AltonJackson
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Such a declaration would be outside of our purview.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 25, 2019 09:36 PM (CDGwz)

458 Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 09:36 PM (QzJWU)
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Roger!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:37 PM (FWLEy)

459 454 "For many of you, I realize 60 dollars is an unprecedented windfall, so don't go spending it all on... I don't know. Caroline, what do these people buy? Tattered hats? Beard dirt?"

- Cave Johnson
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at August 25, 2019 09:35 PM (7s3Gx)

The Portal 2 dialogue is insanely good.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2019 09:37 PM (NWiLs)

460 Weasel....sent'cha a "scope" email for your opinionating thereon.

Are you saying Weasel has bad breath ?

Posted by: JT at August 25, 2019 09:38 PM (arJlL)

461 What state are you in, AH Lloyd?

Here in Georgia, you can open carry if you have a permit. sometimes you see people with side arms at the grocery store. It's a little unsettling, to be honest.

Concealed carry is also allowed. One of our members at church, retired Army, conceal carry's.

Posted by: ALH at August 25, 2019 09:39 PM (GaOgf)

462 I guess it would depend on the state. How does to prosecutor square open carry?
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It's a weird, and bit of a scary thing. It would seem (depending on the state) that a CCW holder, who is carrying, can be prosecuted if the weapon is revealed, even if it is an open carry state.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 25, 2019 09:40 PM (xSo9G)

463 462 I guess it would depend on the state. How does to prosecutor square open carry?
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It's a weird, and bit of a scary thing. It would seem (depending on the state) that a CCW holder, who is carrying, can be prosecuted if the weapon is revealed, even if it is an open carry state.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 25, 2019 09:40 PM (xSo9G)
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Don't some states have concealed carry but not open carry?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:41 PM (FWLEy)

464 Very interesting thread tonight, Weasel. Makes sense for a guniversary.
And I'm off to neverland.

Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 09:42 PM (wFn+Y)

465 384 Hogmartin - ThanX! We'll work with it am morgen

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at August 25, 2019 09:42 PM (T6YmM)

466 Has the 9th ruled on the distinction a'tween brandishing and flourishing a weepon?

Posted by: klaftern at August 25, 2019 09:42 PM (RuIsu)

467 Don't some states have concealed carry but not open carry?
Posted by: Weasel
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I'm certain...nearly certain.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 25, 2019 09:43 PM (xSo9G)

468 464 Very interesting thread tonight, Weasel. Makes sense for a guniversary.
And I'm off to neverland.
Posted by: RI Red at August 25, 2019 09:42 PM (wFn+Y)
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Always great to have you here, RI Red. 'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:43 PM (FWLEy)

469 For the Cave Johnson quotes, I like this page:

http://combineoverwiki.net/wiki/Cave_Johnson/Quotes

All in text and in approximately chronological order, but with the option to play an associated sound file for each one...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at August 25, 2019 09:43 PM (7s3Gx)

470 It's a weird, and bit of a scary thing. It would seem (depending on the state) that a CCW holder, who is carrying, can be prosecuted if the weapon is revealed, even if it is an open carry state.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

"If the law says that, the law is a ass."
Mr. Bumble

Posted by: MarkY at August 25, 2019 09:43 PM (4QJX6)

471 It's a weird, and bit of a scary thing. It would seem (depending on the state) that a CCW holder, who is carrying, can be prosecuted if the weapon is revealed, even if it is an open carry state.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 25, 2019 09:40 PM (xSo9G)

On the other hand, in Michigan, a firearm anywhere in the vehicle is concealed, so unless it's cased and locked away from ammunition, it's carrying concealed. Which is moot if you have a CPL. But you have to intuitively know if the restaurant you're in makes more than 49% of its revenue from alcohol, because then it's a bar, and you can't carry.

Yeah, it's weird.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 25, 2019 09:44 PM (t+qrx)

472 Weasel....sent'cha a "scope" email for your opinionating thereon.
Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 09:36 PM

Can the ancient 6.5x55 even throw lead far enough to need a scope?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 09:44 PM (DMUuz)

473 plaxico burriss have a cc permit in nyc? didn't think so. laws for you , but, none for me.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 09:44 PM (KP5rU)

474 @462

The moral of the story is, know the gun laws of your state like you know your name.

If you travel with your gun to another state know their gun laws too.

Don't travel to or through New Jersey, not only do our gun laws suck, they are aggressively evil and so are the prosecutors.

And thus endith the lesson.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 25, 2019 09:45 PM (1w2yE)

475

The moral of the story is, know the gun laws of your state like you know your name.
If you travel with your gun to another state know their gun laws too.
Don't travel to or through New Jersey, not only do our gun laws suck, they are aggressively evil and so are the prosecutors.

And thus endith the lesson.
Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 25, 2019 09:45 PM (1w2yE)
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Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:46 PM (FWLEy)

476 I think CA [well, with the 9th] has got the'selves in a bit of a jam by banning open carry [formerly allowed] while still having very stingy "may issue" for CC, depending on county/sheriff. Or they did, anyway.

And by "jam" I refer to the former and now optional situation wherein an express constitutional right [to bear arms] is clearly, effectively negated by state law - and that this is untenable. Today? Well, you know.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:46 PM (QDnY+)

477 ...Can the ancient 6.5x55 even throw lead far enough to need a scope?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 09:44 PM (DMUuz)

I need the scope to see how badly I missed.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2019 09:47 PM (QzJWU)

478 That cake looks intentional.

Posted by: James Comey at August 25, 2019 09:47 PM (Bgx7w)

479 467 Open carry is illegal in Krazyfornia, ccw difficult to obtain

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at August 25, 2019 09:49 PM (gSgAd)

480 No open carry + effectively very iffy concealed-carry = infringement of 2A, at least to "extremists", apparently defined as people who know the constitution, have common sense, and can read.

And Heller, and MacDonald, and the constitution, are suggestions, not binding precedent and fundamental law.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:50 PM (QDnY+)

481 OK - the ONT will be along soon. THANK YOU all for making this a great anniversary/birthday edition! Have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

482 I need the scope to see how badly I missed.
Jim

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2019 09:51 PM (DMUuz)

483 OK - the ONT will be along soon. THANK YOU all for making this a great anniversary/birthday edition! Have a great week!
Posted by: Weasel

Thanks for this thread and congratulations on 1 year!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 09:51 PM (bd376)

484
Thanks for this thread and congratulations on 1 year!
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 09:51 PM (bd376)
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Thanks rickb223. You're very welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

485 'nite, all! ThanX! for the info on the wall of red text, Hogmartin and BTB. As always, ThanX! Weasel for the post and Andrew, I sure appreciate you putting us some knowledge.

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at August 25, 2019 09:53 PM (T6YmM)

486
Can the ancient 6.5x55 even throw lead far enough to need a scope?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Oswald's 6.5 x 52 used a scope.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 25, 2019 09:53 PM (xSo9G)

487 Thanks McGyver!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 09:53 PM (MVjcR)

488 EBshade, that's what I was getting at. At one point there were two CC cases pending in the 9th - the Peruta one, and one from HI. One of them involved this nice issue of no concealed carry and no open carry = no bearing arms, and presented the politburo/emergency committee, er, "court" with a little dilemma, and the fear that they might be approaching the limit of brazen, lawless, bad faith vandalism, damn, er, "jurisprudence" on the matter. I.e. fear of easy reversal at scotus.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2019 09:54 PM (QDnY+)

489 To this there was no good answer. The prosecutor said even leaving it untouched in the holster would get you a charge of brandishing.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 25, 2019 09:10 PM (cfSRQ)

In HS (c. 1985) we invited Police Chief of nearby Great Falls to speak to our Government class. He said the only sure thing was to retreat to an internal room with no egress before you could shoot an intruder.
And if you were dumb enough to cap an intruder coming in a window or door, pull the body rest of the way in and stick to your story.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 25, 2019 09:55 PM (1g7ch)

490 472 ... "Can the ancient 6.5x55 even throw lead far enough to need a scope?"

The 6.5x55 Swede will shoot way beyond what you can see. It is an interesting cartidge and very comfortable to shoot. I use iron sights on my Swedish Mauser but if I wanted to wring it out, I would need a scope or a lot better eyesight.

Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 09:56 PM (bmdz3)

491

I need the scope to see how badly I missed.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

heh.

Thats why I am buying a new spotting scope with a Mil reticle to match the rifle.

Just so my spotter can tell me how far I missed instead of the current " fuck mate, that's a long way off. Fire one more."

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 09:56 PM (bgJ0E)

492 Thats why I am buying a new spotting scope with a Mil reticle to match the rifle.

Just so my spotter can tell me how far I missed instead of the current " fuck mate, that's a long way off. Fire one more."

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 09:56 PM (bgJ0E)
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That's the time to start claiming your scope is defective!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

493
Oswald's 6.5 x 52 used a scope.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 25, 2019 09:53 PM (xSo9G)

I visited the plaza just to see the range involved. He could have thrown the rounds and hit JFK.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 10:00 PM (bgJ0E)

494 --------
That's the time to start claiming your scope is defective!
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

The scope come fully defective from the manufacturers. It says so on the box.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 10:01 PM (bgJ0E)

495
I visited the plaza just to see the range involved. He could have thrown the rounds and hit JFK.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 10:00 PM (bgJ0E)
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I've only ever seen it depicted on TV, but that's the impression I was left with too.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 10:01 PM (MVjcR)

496 Weasel,
Thanks for the all of the weekend firearm posts and happy anniversary of them.

Chavez, you have some good advice here for an additional firearm. Most folks shoot long arms better than handguns anyway unless you tend to practice quite a bit.

I would agree with Jim that a Ruger AR or a S&W entry level AR would be a good first buy as the ammo is widely available and pretty cheap, it is a decent caliber for self defense and you can get into a hunting with simply another upper receiver such as .300 Blackout, the new Winchester Legend, 6.8 SPC or Grendel, etc. if you wish later. They are the Lego toy of the firearm world.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2019 10:01 PM (hqUZK)

497 Posted by: whig at August 25, 2019 10:01 PM (hqUZK)
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Thank you whig! Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

498 Here's a link to consider: https://www.patriotsnetwork2020.com/

Posted by: Ex-ex at August 25, 2019 10:03 PM (RU4sa)

499 The scope come fully defective from the manufacturers. It says so on the box.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 10:01 PM (bgJ0E)
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Yeah - the bastards are just screwing with us!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)

500 Oh come on. 500.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2019 10:07 PM (bd376)

501 Yo, Weasel, checking back in. Email sent regarding 22 WMR. Even has a picture!

Now I'm truly gone!

Fine thread and sorry I wasn't able to stick around.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at August 25, 2019 10:08 PM (WEBkv)

502 I'm headed to bed - 'night!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 10:08 PM (MVjcR)

503 496; thanks, whig. great info.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 25, 2019 10:08 PM (KP5rU)

504 495
I visited the plaza just to see the range involved. He could have thrown the rounds and hit JFK.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 10:00 PM (bgJ0E)
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I've only ever seen it depicted on TV, but that's the impression I was left with too.
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2019 10:01 PM (MVjcR)

The bit I found hugely amusing ( I am fully enabled with a grunts sense of dark humour ) was the big X marks painted on the road shewing the hits.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at August 25, 2019 10:08 PM (bgJ0E)

505 Refresh refresh refresh

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at August 25, 2019 10:10 PM (+ldAm)

506 Nood

Posted by: Ha at August 25, 2019 10:10 PM (MAstk)

507 Of course... NOOD

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at August 25, 2019 10:11 PM (+ldAm)

508 Branca has a course on evaluating CCW "insurance" programs. It is worth watching. I think I paid $60 for the class last year. Of course, the offerings will be updated from time-to-time. I'm not sure the NRA is still marketing their program after 1 or 2 years. Other changes are likely.

One such company was damn rude to me when I mentioned a course that compared the various programs! I doubt I'll do business with that company!

Know what you are buying! Branca can help.

https://lawofselfdefense.com/blog/

Posted by: WarEagle82 at August 25, 2019 10:13 PM (+Kpte)

509 Hopefully not too late. Per the earlier comments. I am a big fan of lefty 1911 shooting. Especially the Sig and Kimber ambidextrous version

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 25, 2019 10:16 PM (Jzz++)

510 Yesterday:
Weather Briefing by US Interior: "Hey, lots of serious storms could wreck havoc with the US in 2019."
President: "Anything we could do to prevent that?"
Us Interior: "Welp, we've thought about disrupting the formation of such things like hurricanes. But that's problematic"
President: "Okay, fine, keep me informed if there is anything we can do to prevent these events."
Axios, today: "Un-named sources say your President Idiot wants to Nuke Hurricanes. Umm, even though no one at the meeting even mentioned anything about nukes or bombs or anything like that. But Trump's an idiot, so, hey, did we fail to mention that your President is an idiot? Just so you know."

This is your idiotic, imbecilic press - and they seem totally unconcerned that normal folks might say in public out loud - "You people are the absolutely most childish and imbecilic people known to mankind."

Posted by: Boswell at August 25, 2019 10:19 PM (32YRo)

511 I forgot to mention that Alabama has lost it's no NICS status for CCW holders, something that I learned when I picked up the Beretta. It seems that some sheriffs in the Black Belt counties were issuing to prohibited persons so the ATF no longer trusts us. Annoying that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 25, 2019 10:26 PM (yQpMk)

512 If one is interested some financial protections for carry, one can look up the armed citizens defense league. This group is mainly composed of trainers and probably their students who basically have something like the faith based health networks for helping to pay health costs. It is not exactly insurance but more like a mutual self help society. Their newsletter is free and has a lot of good stuff in it and they did have the back issues of it as well.

Rangemaster (Tom Givens) also has an excellent ccw lifestyle newsletter for his training program and he has trained a lot of folks in the dangerous Memphis TN area over the years. Think that all of his graduates (over sixty at last count) except the two that did not have a gun have went home alive after their trial by ordeal.

Just wanted to tell Andrew Branca if he is still here, appreciate both your extensive coverage of the Zimmerman trial via Legal Insurrection and your LOSD books/courses. Have 1st and 2nd editions and it contains good stuff for anyone contemplating the legal consequences of self defense.

Posted by: whig at August 25, 2019 10:28 PM (hqUZK)

513 Yep on the loss of the Alabama background check status.

Posted by: AnthonyB at August 25, 2019 10:30 PM (egvfP)

514 257 186 ... Mark, Isn't the Henry single shot nice? Beautiful workmanship and damn accurate considering that I'm behind the trigger. I intend to put a scope on it eventually and see what kind of longer range accuracy I can get.

I find the Vaquero, mine is in 45 Colt, balances well but I need to use strict trigger discipline to get the most out of it. That basically means taking my time and being sure to use the tip of my index finger. If I don't, I end up putting most of the trigger finger through the trigger guard.
Posted by: JTB at August 25, 2019 08:34 PM (bmdz3)

I'm very happily surprised by the trigger on the Henry Single shot. Very clean. The break lever is a little stiff but it will loosen up in time.

On my Vaquero, I ended up having to 'choke up' on the grip. Seems sub-optimal but it put in good groups with my small, womanly hands. So if it's dumb but it works....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 25, 2019 10:30 PM (xJa6I)

515 Not that I bought anything since the change....

Posted by: AnthonyB at August 25, 2019 10:31 PM (egvfP)

516 512 "If one is interested some financial protections for carry, one can look up the armed citizens defense league"

Armed Citizen Legal Defend Network (ACLDN). It's founded and run by great folks, and is well worth a look. Like all these programs, of course, it has its own strengths and weaknesses, and so will be the right fit for some people and not for others.

Posted by: Andrew Branca at August 25, 2019 10:38 PM (eciqi)

517 most yacht rock > Elvis Costello

LOL.

Somewhat accurate conversation between Bozo Conservative and Shibumi, in his vehicle with Sirius:

BC: They added yacht rock to Sirius.

Shibumi: Yacht rock?

BC: Yeah, "yacht rock"

Shibumi: [silent, wondering why people on yachts don't listen to better music.]

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at August 25, 2019 10:44 PM (AkkRZ)

518
re: 399, about having a security clearance. Yep. Since 1980.

It doesn't help getting a concealed carry permit.
Having a concealed carry permit doesn't affect having a security clearance.
Having a security clearance doesn't help any with TSA, either.

It appears the 3 systems are disconnected, until you get to the Utah Mega Data Center, probably.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at August 25, 2019 11:25 PM (B42Ld)

519 I don't know if you will see this Weasel, but Happy Anniversary of the Gun Thread. I've never owned any firearms so I enjoy the education you are providing. Thank you!

Posted by: Locke Common at August 26, 2019 04:13 PM (NanIO)

520 Once again we see the Stupid Jackass Party calling for Manditory Gun Buybacks Just how stupid are these Democrats no crinimal will ever turn in t heir gun These Democrats are dumber then a stump

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 26, 2019 05:11 PM (wGqjj)

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