The Economist: The World's Poor Are Eating More Meat Which Means They'll Live Longer and Healthier Lives But It's Very Sad Because of Global Warming
Plus: Slavery-Shaming from the New York Times and Nation of Islam

No, really. They're against the world's poor having healthy food.



It's not just the Economist, obviously. Business Insider also attacked those getting healthy on a keto diet because that also makes the Earth Goddess Maia cry.



And there's even more food-shaming.

The New York Times filed another entry in its campaign to make Race Reparations a viable position for Democrats to take by declaring that Sugar = Slavery.



Now that is, you know, based in fact. Sugar was one of the nastiest crops to harvest (I'm not sure why; it might just be due to the hot, wet conditions necessary for cane sugar cultivation), and as most free people did not want to do it, slaves were forced to work the sugar fields.

I'm not sure what we're supposed to take from this, though. We've all heard of the "Triangle Trade" -- sugar, slaves, rum. What is "news" in this?

There is no "news." This is just, as Doc Zero said, "battlespace preparation" for the 2020 Orangemanbad elections.

The article isn't terrible, except for its obvious intention as a piece of agitprop which pretends to illuminate slavery, while actually obscuring it.

Slavery is evil, of course.

This piece presents it as a uniquely white evil, as part of the battlespace preparation for next year's elections.

Is it, though?

Of course not. Watch this very neat (quite long but worth it) Lindybiege article about "The White Headhunter."

It's a great and interesting story in its own right, but illustrates a few points being left out of the New York Times' polticization of slavery.

The White Headhunter of the book's name is called Reston. He is enslaved himself -- several times.

First his landlord drugs him and sells him to a ship captain.

The ship captain intends to bring workers -- I mean, slaves -- to a remote and uninhabitable island in the middle of nowhere in the Pacific. He needs slaves, because the work he has planned for his "workers" -- mining guano, birdshit, by the ton -- is an unpleasant and unhealthy job that free men don't want to do.

So he is forced upon a ship to become a slave.

However, he escapes in one of the ship's boats.

After a harrowing time of starvation at sea, he lands upon a Pacific island inhabited, as Pacific islands tend to be, by Pacific islanders.

They are nonwhite.

They immediately enslave him, for no other reason than that he is alone and weak and they are many and powerful. They enslave him because they can.

He serves as a slave to the chief for a time, trying to prove his usefulness so that they do not eat him.

One job he does for them is translate discussions between the chief and European ship captains who come to call on the island.

The captains tell the islands' chiefs that if they give them men to work the dangerous, dirty mines of Australia, they will not only pay the men good wages, but will also pay the chiefs. First, with an upfront payment of rifles and steel axes and other Western goods of great value, and then even more when the men's term of service is up.

But this is a lie. The captains are blackbirders -- that means they are slavers, but they don't use force, at least not at first, to captures slaves.

Rather they enslave people through trickery and false promises. Later, if the enslaved people try to escape or revolt, then they'll use force.

They're told they will work in the mines for five years (or whatever) for wages; in fact they'll be slaves for as long as they have the physical ability to dig.

Now notice here that the island chiefs -- not white people -- are assisting in delivering over slaves to the blackbirders.

Do they know the men they're sending away will not be well-paid workers but rather slaves? Well, they probably have some idea. After all -- the moment a person of a different race lands on their shores, they enslave them.

When they fight other islanders and capture enemies, they enslave them.

So the idea that maybe these men that I'm selling to these captains are going to be enslaved is something that would probably occur to them.

So we have in this story:

A white landlord drugging a white man to "shanghai" him into slavery;

nonwhite Pacific Islanders enslaving that white man after he escapes his white slavers;

those nonwhite Pacific Islanders enslaving other Pacific Islanders and selling their own people -- their low-status men who are not part of the chief's family and not especially powerful in the tribe -- into slavery by whites.

Slavery is not a white scourge; it's a human scourge. Throughout history, until very recent times, people took slaves whenever they had the power to do so.

Blaming whites alone for this is ahistorical and nothing more than racial political agitation. It's not that whites were particularly intent on enslaving people; it's that whites developed ships and steel weapons more at a faster pace than many others, and thus had the power to do what powerful humans had done throughout history -- enslave weaker peoples.

It's also a bit strange that this author, a grandson of Elijah Mohammad of the Nation of Islam, would deign to lecture anyone about the evils of slavery without first addressing the salient historical fact that Muslims and the Arabic Middle East have had quite a long history of enslaving people themselves, and that history extends well into the 20th Century.

Why date the start of slavery in 1619? It most assuredly did not start there.

And it didn't start in America, or even in Europe. It started long before Europe was well-settled by human beings.

But the New York Times is going to pretend history started there, just as it pretends the number of deaths due to terrorist attacks starts conveniently the day after 9/11.

Like most historical topics, slavery is a story with many villains and only some heroes, and it does not fit neatly into anyone's political fairy tale.

It tells us more about humanity than about the political villain of the day -- nasty Republicans who never owned slaves and 99% of whom aren't even descended from anyone who did.

The topic cannot be used for gross political purposes.

Except if you really need it to, and you have a deep-pocketed Ruling Class corporation to fund the project to do so.

And do watch that video when you get the chance. It's terrific. I downloaded the book but haven't read it yet.


Posted by: Ace of Spades at 05:42 PM




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1 First!

Posted by: Flyguy at August 21, 2019 06:43 PM (v30M8)

2 Yo

Posted by: Ha at August 21, 2019 06:45 PM (MAstk)

3 The left WANTS the world depicted in the movie Soylent Green.

Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2019 06:45 PM (l9mVC)

4 Jumped over a whole thread

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2019 06:46 PM (BbGew)

5 LOL a muslim lecturing us about slavery.

Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2019 06:46 PM (l9mVC)

6 Lindybeige is a treasure.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 21, 2019 06:46 PM (HaecS)

7 Sorry man. Not really feeling this article. I mean, you hear of a time when the welfare class was put to productive work, you may as well claim Abe Lincoln rode a unicorn to his legal office.

The NYT thinks they can shame us into compliance, but rejecting it aggressively shows them the opposite is true.

Posted by: trev006 at August 21, 2019 06:46 PM (7Xefj)

8
The Economist: Our Utopia Will Be Delayed, Thanks To The Poor

Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 06:47 PM (pKmEq)

9 So, sugar bad, but keto bad.

They'd prefer we starve, wouldn't they.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 21, 2019 06:47 PM (oVJmc)

10 When do moron standard time switch to being the same as central time.

Oh the husanity.

Posted by: teej at August 21, 2019 06:47 PM (/NSUP)

11 I like meat.

Posted by: Sparklypus at August 21, 2019 06:47 PM (Tnijr)

12 White gold
Screw Texas tea
Jed Clampett

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2019 06:47 PM (BbGew)

13 They ain't wrong about the sugar thing, it was hellish and there's way too much of that crap in our food. But the Keto thing and "F third world people" story? What the hell even?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 06:48 PM (KZzsI)

14 No, really. They're against the world's poor having healthy food.

As long as they don't start taking the TastyKakes I don't care what they eat. Have as many burgers as you want, but stay away from my Butterscotch Krimpets and creme-filled coffee cakes!!!

*click* *click/click* *click* *clack* *click* *click* *bzzt*


I wanted to make sure everyone knew to keep their hands off the TastyKakes.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 06:48 PM (EcqY2)

15 Sugar is nasty to harvest because the leaves will cut your skin open and the canes have to be hacked down close to rhe ground. It is hot backbreaking painful work.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 21, 2019 06:48 PM (RFKtv)

16 Slavery is the oldest institution in human existence. This hand-wringing over the last days of a civilization moving beyond it is asinine.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 21, 2019 06:49 PM (oVJmc)

17 *walks away*

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 06:49 PM (QwmrN)

18 I shall make it a point to have some bacon this week, and some butter, and some sugar. (Actually I do all three most weeks, but now I have A Purpose.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 21, 2019 06:49 PM (DHNlU)

19 Also bad: A healthy, vibrant economy. If we don't destroy the nation and its citizens, America is going to be in a bad shape.

Posted by: Bill Maher at August 21, 2019 06:49 PM (6eEQ+)

20 Butter and bacon are good for you.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 21, 2019 06:49 PM (NWiLs)

21 Starve a child. Save a tree.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 21, 2019 06:49 PM (lwiT4)

22 Now that is, you know, based in fact. Sugar was one of the nastiest crops to harvest (I'm not sure why; it might just be due to the hot, wet conditions necessary for cane sugar cultivation), and as most free people did not want to do it, slaves were forced to work the sugar fields.

Sugar Fields >>> Salt Mines

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 06:49 PM (EcqY2)

23 So where does the NYT stand on "brown sugar?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:50 PM (A/mD5)

24 Donald Trump's great-grandfather was a slave-trader and a sugar plantation owner and he raped all of the female slaves.

I have proof!

Posted by: Dan Rather at August 21, 2019 06:50 PM (wYseH)

25 Meat is bad. GMO crops that can help save millions are bad. These people are malthusian. And the malthusians are always wrong. Then again so is the media and elites, so it sort of fits.

Posted by: Flyguy at August 21, 2019 06:50 PM (v30M8)

26 Sugar is nasty to harvest because the leaves will cut your skin open and the canes have to be hacked down close to rhe ground. It is hot backbreaking painful work.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 21, 2019 06:48 PM (RFKtv)


IIRC in Hawaii they burn sugar cane fields to harvest the sugar cane. Is that correct?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:51 PM (A/mD5)

27 is this another movie critique thread?

'cause it's long as fvck

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 21, 2019 06:51 PM (EOMoX)

28 mmmmm...bacon. I am so damn hungry now.

Posted by: IC at August 21, 2019 06:51 PM (a0IVu)

29 No problem will ever be solved with the NYT around.

Posted by: Burger Chef at August 21, 2019 06:51 PM (RuIsu)

30 16 Slavery is the oldest institution in human existence. This hand-wringing over the last days of a civilization moving beyond it is asinine.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 21, 2019 06:49 PM (oVJmc)

It's all completely fake. The message is "Pay up, whitey," and it's worked to fatten up Beyonce's Prada purse while impoverishing the American industrial belt. Passion Plays for the American elite.

The first one to point this out might successfully primary Trump himself.

Posted by: trev006 at August 21, 2019 06:51 PM (5IEUe)

31 []Slavery is not a white scourge; it's a human scourge. Throughout history, until very recent times, people took slaves whenever they had the power to do so.

Blaming whites alone for this is ahistorical and nothing more than racial political agitation.

Let's put it this way: the time period in which the world had no slaves is a tiny, tiny percentage of human history compared to the time period when people had slaves.

And the percentage of people who never owned slaves is a tiny tiny number compared to the percentage who did. Everywhere. Slavery was, for the bulk of human existence, the method of getting jobs you didn't want to do, done. Then, we had capitalism which hired people and paid them to do that. And finally now we have machines to do that crap.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 06:51 PM (KZzsI)

32 A modest proposal: feed Economist "journalists" to the poor.

Win-win.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:51 PM (A/mD5)

33 Those slaves in the picture are dressed better than the folks you see at Wally World.

Look more fit too.

Oh the horror, the horror.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 21, 2019 06:52 PM (Z+IKu)

34 Why date the start of slavery in 1619? It most assuredly did not start there.

And it didn't start in America, or even in Europe. It started long before Europe was well-settled by human beings.


The East African slave trade was started by muzzies ... and continued by muzzies long, long after the Europeans stopped.

But it's funny, leftists never mention muzzies when they talk about slavery and they never mention Indians when they talk about tobacco. Makes me chuckle, really.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 06:52 PM (EcqY2)

35 Hot, set conditions necessary for cane sugar cultivation?

Somebody better tell C & H to move there operation somewhere else.

Posted by: teej at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (/NSUP)

36 Starve a child. Save a tree.

apparently :/ Although greater CO2 in the atmosphere means happier trees...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (KZzsI)

37 Can we shut the nyt down to save trees or nah?

Posted by: Ha at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (MAstk)

38 Slave >>> Untouchable

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (EcqY2)

39 IIRC in Hawaii they burn sugar cane fields to harvest the sugar cane. Is that correct?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:51 PM (A/mD5)

They burn the cane fields after the harvest, IIRC from a friend living south of Baton Rouge, LA.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (q1Pj5)

40 At least the Somalis were on the right side of slavery - the slave-owning side!

Posted by: Ilhan! at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (I2/tG)

41 Eat moar Spam.

Posted by: wth at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (v0R5T)

42 The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as the "white gold" that fueled slavery. "It was the introduction of sugar slavery in the New World that changed everything," writes Khalil Gibran Muhammad

Listen to him, people. Nobody knows more about human rights than Muslims!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (A/mD5)

43 Christopher you forgot 1 religion that still to this day permits it

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (BbGew)

44 BTW: they make machines to harvest sugar cane these days.

they have for ~100 years, if the internet is to be believed.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 21, 2019 06:54 PM (EOMoX)

45 Slavery was a universal condition of existence until the modern era.

Posted by: Caliban at August 21, 2019 06:54 PM (QE8X6)

46 I feel like a slave every time I pay property tax.

Posted by: freaked at August 21, 2019 06:54 PM (Tnijr)

47 They burn the cane fields after the harvest, IIRC from a friend living south of Baton Rouge, LA.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2019 06:53 PM (q1Pj5)


Ah, thank you. I used to live in Hawaii, and recalled the cane fields burning, but didn't know that that was after the harvest.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:54 PM (A/mD5)

48 Speaking of BS, I saw some blurbage pop up on Bing's newstape about Her Royal Highness, Cindy McCain, bitching about how there's no civility left in the Republican Party since her sainted husband passed away.

So much for dinner.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at August 21, 2019 06:54 PM (7s3Gx)

49 I meant West African ...



I hate when that happens.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 06:54 PM (EcqY2)

50 Does that mean we can stop sending aid to 3rd world countries?

You know, for global warming bullshit reasons?

Posted by: Kale at August 21, 2019 06:55 PM (73Pwg)

51 I'm going to assume that the New York Times isn't going to discuss slavery among American Indian tribes - in some Pacific Northwest tribes, a third of the population was slaves.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 21, 2019 06:55 PM (I2/tG)

52 Oh, shit, this turned out to be a slavery thread. I was going to rant about sugar.

Well, I will anyway because it's about the evils of Big Corn and protectionism.

We protect sugar in this country. That is there are import tariffs that price it out of competition from HFCS. This benefits a small number of interlocked families in Florida who grow sugar with near slave labor of imported Jamaicans.

It moved candy manufacturer Mars to Canada because while there are import duties on sugar there are not on candy made of sugar.

It means, of course, that we get that nasty slop in our Coca Cola when even Mexicans -- Mexicans!! -- get sugar in their Coke.

Big Corn gets protection because of the Iowa caucuses and we get get ethanol that destroys small motors, crappy Coke, and Florida slavery.

Free trade good. Tariffs bad.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 06:55 PM (fuK7c)

53 Pygmy cannibals are destroying the planet.

Posted by: wth at August 21, 2019 06:55 PM (v0R5T)

54 Christopher you forgot 1 religion that still to this day permits it

Yeah, to the extent it still exists today its in Muslim dominated countries, and the sex trade.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 06:55 PM (KZzsI)

55 46 I feel like a slave every time I pay property tax.
Posted by: freaked at August 21, 2019 06:54 PM (Tnijr)


Come to California, where we labor to support our betters, namely vagrants, the underclass, and illegal aliens. Nothing but the best for them!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:55 PM (A/mD5)

56 Its All moot. Net neutrality will kill us all long before meat eating does.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 06:56 PM (X6Rqi)

57 They ain't wrong about the sugar thing, it was hellish and there's way too much of that crap in our food. But the Keto thing and "F third world people" story? What the hell even?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 06:48 PM (KZzsI)

They can easily survive the third world stuff, but they may rue the day they set up against the liberals who love fad diets and a quadruple - latte sugar bomb coffee three times a day.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 21, 2019 06:56 PM (FTPn0)

58 This post has inspired me to put sugar on my bacon tomorrow morning.

Posted by: Caliban at August 21, 2019 06:56 PM (QE8X6)

59 If you lure a population so that you can pay them slave wages just to get their vote..........

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 06:56 PM (nRWPy)

60 24 Donald Trump's great-grandfather was a slave-trader and a sugar plantation owner and he raped all of the female slaves.
*****************
I hear he whipped the women just around midnight.

Posted by: Granddork at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (kR3UB)

61 I have found you can find
Happiness in slavery

Posted by: Trent Reznor at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (NWiLs)

62 25 Meat is bad. GMO crops that can help save millions are bad. These people are malthusian. And the malthusians are always wrong. Then again so is the media and elites, so it sort of fits.

Posted by: Flyguy at August 21, 2019 06:50 PM (v30M


The combined Bottom Line Position of the environmentalists and animal-rights advocates is: Every living creature EXCEPT HUMANS has a right to live and thrive.

Posted by: Gref at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (AMIL/)

63 Sugar Sugar, aw Honey Honey

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (q1Pj5)

64 Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 06:55 PM (fuK7c)

HFCS: 55% fructose, 45% glucose.

Sucrose: 50% fructose, 50% glucose.

Pffft.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (A/mD5)

65 They ain't wrong about the sugar thing, it was hellish and there's way too much of that crap in our food.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 06:48 PM (KZzsI)


There's not enough sugar in our food.

You don't want yours? Give it to me.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (EcqY2)

66 Come to California, where we labor to support our betters, namely vagrants, the underclass, and illegal aliens. Nothing but the best for them!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:55 PM (A/mD5)

Yup.

Posted by: IC at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (a0IVu)

67 Com'on Ace. It's the left, Everything can be used for gross political purposes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (+0VWg)

68 The NYT knows Farrakhan loves to talk about The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, right? They sure they want to keep going down this road?

Posted by: trev006 at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (pGlzi)

69 52

That IS WHO WE ARE

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (X6Rqi)

70 Maybe we should send them tons of cigarettes so they don't live so long. It's not like we tried that before......

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 21, 2019 06:57 PM (JUOKG)

71 Sugar beets.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 21, 2019 06:58 PM (1g7ch)

72 Maybe they burn the cane after harvesting out there in LA, but normal people here in Palm Beach County burn before harvesting. The leaf litter burns off so the stalks mostly only remain.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at August 21, 2019 06:58 PM (Jj+59)

73 ace, I would ask you to stomp yourself and go with the Appeals court decision on Electors vote.

I would email you but all my emails come back undeliverable.

We will always have the poor.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 06:58 PM (TIDT7)

74 56 Its All moot. Net neutrality will kill us all long before meat eating does.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 06:56 PM (X6Rqi)


Besides that, we've only got 14 months - marked down from 12 years - to save the planet. We'll never make it.

So ... party!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 06:58 PM (A/mD5)

75 Sugar Frosted Chocolate Bombs are kinda bland until you scoop some sugar on them, right Hobbes?

Posted by: Calvin, age 6 at August 21, 2019 06:58 PM (q1Pj5)

76 Free trade good. Tariffs bad.


Chinese economic hegemony: worse

Posted by: Hands at August 21, 2019 06:59 PM (786Ro)

77 Next thing you know, these liberals will be insisting that we send boxcars of Kaboom cereal to all those 3rd world children.

Posted by: CyberCipher at August 21, 2019 06:59 PM (Xawuy)

78 You have to remember that before the industrial revolution, wealth was pretty much determined by how many hands you had working for you, each being more or less interchangeable. The only way to get rich was via conquest and slavery if you didn't just happen to find a gold or silver mine.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 21, 2019 06:59 PM (yQpMk)

79 The corn syrup scare is bullcrap, but overall we consume insanely too much sugar in America, and its tucked into damn near everything. I've ranted about this before but its incredibly frustrating when you have health problems that require low sugar in your diet to have to read every label three times to make sure they didn't slip some sugar in there somewhere. Idiotic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 06:59 PM (KZzsI)

80 Same thing happened in Africa. The Portuguese and Spanish didn't start Black slavery in Africa. They came upon the trade that was already in action run by the Kings of the various tribes in the locale and the Arab/Muslim slave traders.

It was an up and running concern. Not at the level that could be reached when they started to colonize the various Islands of the Caribbean.

And of particular note is that slaves are mentioned quite often in the Bible. In fact they are mentioned in the first book. Egyptians were noted for enslaving folks. They enslaved the Nubians who lived up stream on the Nile. There's also records of slavery in Persia dating long long time ago.

That the media can get away with this is the fact that the Democrats/left have purposely dumbed down our educational "system" to produce citizens who can barely write and know little of this country's history let alone Ancient History.

It's almost as if they have a plan.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 06:59 PM (cxIsI)

81 Sugar is nasty to harvest because the leaves will cut your skin open and
the canes have to be hacked down close to rhe ground. It is hot
backbreaking painful work.

With snakes and rats living in there too.

Posted by: Abzod at August 21, 2019 06:59 PM (dHzE8)

82 We will always have the poor.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 06:58 PM (TIDT7)


Despite all our programs and other efforts, the bottom 20% of the population is still in the bottom 20%.

We MUST try harder! Raise taxes, and vote Democrat. It's the only solution.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:00 PM (A/mD5)

83 >>>73 ace, I would ask you to stomp yourself and go with the Appeals court decision on Electors vote.

i'll post about it later but I'm not stomping this post for it.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:00 PM (PbpT7)

84 1619 is a dumb choice, one only an academic could love. Even if you restrict the field to the New World, Spain kicked off slavery in it's holdings early in the 1500's. In fact they were the ones who first started transporting black Africans over to work their plantations. The Spanish tried enslaving the indigenous Indians they found first (it of course would have made more sense to use the people who were already there) but due to disease and lack of physical endurance, the Spaniards managed to kill off almost all of their native populations with their attempts. (in places like Puerto Rico, their may no descendants of the original inhabitants left)

The Spaniards found that Central Africans were the only people with the physical prowess and the heat tolerance to be able to survive the harsh working conditions, and that's how they started being transported to the new world. Eventually growers in the southern English colonies picked up on what the Spanish had already been doing for a century or so.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 21, 2019 07:00 PM (Kpl3J)

85 Maybe they burn the cane after harvesting out there
in LA, but normal people here in Palm Beach County burn before
harvesting. The leaf litter burns off so the stalks mostly only remain.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at August 21, 2019 06:58 PM (Jj+59)

I could be wrong about after. It's rare, but it does happen.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 21, 2019 07:00 PM (q1Pj5)

86 >>IIRC in Hawaii they burn sugar cane fields to harvest the sugar cane. Is that correct?

In Puerto Rico too.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:00 PM (ZLI7S)

87 With snakes and rats living in there too.
Posted by: Abzod at August 21, 2019 06:59 PM (dHzE


In Hawaii it's mongooses and bufo toads. But, same difference.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:00 PM (A/mD5)

88 The NYT knows Farrakhan loves to talk about The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, right?

"We know what it is"
--Illinois Nazis

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:00 PM (KZzsI)

89 Muslims still have slaves.

Why is this not an issue?

/also, why are feminists OK with muslims lopping of girl's clits?

Posted by: shibumi, future Ohio dental floss tycoon at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (AkkRZ)

90 Sugar is in everything making us obese as a society. So I would shed no tears if Big Sugar were taken down.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (X6Rqi)

91 All of us have ancestors that were slaves. We also have ancestors that were slave-owners.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (5fSr7)

92 Earth Goddess Maia? Totally would.

*looks around*

What?

Posted by: hogmartin at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (t+qrx)

93 Maybe they burn the cane after harvesting out there
in LA, but normal people here in Palm Beach County burn before
harvesting. The leaf litter burns off so the stalks mostly only remain.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at August 21, 2019 06:58 PM (Jj+59)


OK, now that's what I'd thought. But I was a kid then, and didn't know ... anything, really.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (A/mD5)

94 When I saw Al Sharpton dancing around on Sunday celebrating Harlem Week, I was sure he'd end up on a plate of chicken legs, battered and served up with hot sauce.

Posted by: Fritz at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (kLDv+)

95 >>>The corn syrup scare is bullcrap, but overall we consume insanely too much sugar in America, and its tucked into damn near everything. I've ranted about this before but its incredibly frustrating when you have health problems that require low sugar in your diet to have to read every label three times to make sure they didn't slip some sugar in there somewhere. Idiotic.

It's not idiotic, it's corrupt. The government does the bidding of the Sugar industry. It has for a century.

The FDA permits them to use other words for "sugar" because the sugar industry asks them to do so.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (PbpT7)

96 I wonder if Ace posted this to piss himself off enough to get back on keto and regain those gainzzz

Posted by: Hands at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (786Ro)

97 Willowed/OT but quick:


I missed it - WTF is Trump on about WRT American car companies and cars
that cost $3K more than they should?? Trumpentwatters has 2 items on
this.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 21, 2019 07:02 PM (QDnY+)

98 >>90 Sugar is in everything making us obese as a society. So I would shed no tears if Big Sugar were taken down.


he's not wrong

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:02 PM (PbpT7)

99 I can't wait until some PETA clowns show up in south central LA and starting throwing red paint on the residents to shame them for eating meat.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at August 21, 2019 07:02 PM (HmZuC)

100 Slavery is not a white scourge, it's a human scourge.

Ok, that is the best line you've written in quite some time.

Posted by: teej at August 21, 2019 07:02 PM (/NSUP)

101 The FDA permits them to use other words for "sugar" because the sugar industry asks them to do so.

Its odd to me how much power certain ag concerns have. Like the incredibly strict rules over different milk products or the corn ethanol subsidies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (KZzsI)

102 >>>96 I wonder if Ace posted this to piss himself off enough to get back on keto and regain those gainzzz

nah but I am fasting today.

i'm pretty keto though. But sometimes, I'll make a keto thing that's tasty, and I'll eat too much of it in a day.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (PbpT7)

103 Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 06:55 PM (fuK7c)

OT-Not to drive you nuts, but how's the househunting going? I am not going to be on the board for a while after today, so I will be keeping you in prayer for a house and the success of your job. I think you would be a good energetic, engaging teacher. Just be patient with the middle schoolers. if you haven't had any dealing with them since your sons were young they are like the girl with the little curl in the middle of her forehead. Can be great! can be dreadful. I say this from teaching theatre to that age and from doing Confirmation with them over many years. I figured, even though you're not a Christian you wouldn't mind prayers of people of faith of good will. I think you've said as much on the board.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (+0VWg)

104 90 Sugar is in everything making us obese as a society. So I would shed no tears if Big Sugar were taken down.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (X6Rqi)


Sugar isn't the problem. Over-eating is the problem. If sugar were gone tomorrow, people would over-eat something else. Obesity is a function of having a wealthy society with cheap food and lots of labor-saving devices. I doubt it really has much to do with the nature of the food.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (A/mD5)

105 Its the difference between the liberals wanting to 'Save the Earth' and conservatives wanting to 'Save the World'.

Another way to look at it is liberals want to save the environment, conservatives want to save people.

Posted by: squeakywheel at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (TpZ98)

106 ace, appreciate the reply. I just got a little jumpy here.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (TIDT7)

107
i'll post about it later but I'm not stomping this post for it.


Remember the scene on the beach in Rocky III when Rocky was being lazy and
Apollo had to straighten him out? Rocky said he'd run tomorrow.

Apollo yelled back THERE IS NO TOMORROW!


Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (pKmEq)

108 >>>73 ace, I would ask you to stomp yourself and go with the Appeals court decision on Electors vote.

i'll post about it later but I'm not stomping this post for it.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:00 PM (PbpT7)


It was the correct decision, anyway.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (EcqY2)

109 lol, you know, should note that the indentured hottie immigrant thing is not slavery, it would be legal and monitored by the department of agriculture with regular home visits.

Posted by: yankeefifith at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (HALdu)

110 Wasn't there some kind of disturbance that happened, back in the 18th century, kinda tied up with all this slavery stuff? Put an end to it, had lots of other impacts on the country's history?


Can't recall, know there was something, war or the like.


Wonder if the NYT will get around to that one.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 21, 2019 07:04 PM (QDnY+)

111 Without sugarcane there would be no rum.

Let's not get hasty.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:04 PM (ZLI7S)

112 this is as important as the electors decision.

Posted by: yankeefifith at August 21, 2019 07:04 PM (HALdu)

113 I had a landlord used to hit me up for a joint when he came around for the rent. Lucky I made it out of Pittsburgh alive.

Posted by: DaveA at August 21, 2019 07:04 PM (FhXTo)

114 I'm sure that it won't take the New York Times long to trot out the theory, recently popularized by Ta-Nehisi Coates, that all wealth in the United States exists because black people were and are brutally oppressed. (This has been a belief among black nationalists for decades.)

You have a nice house and a nice car? You only have these things because the faces of black people have been ground into the dirt for centuries. This is why reparations are required.

There may be a few holes in the theory - it is unclear how oppressing 12% of the population made 88% of the population wealthy. It also doesn't explain Canada, which is about as affluent as the United States, despite a relative lack of black people to oppress, and doesn't explain that the Intermountain West is about as affluent as the rest of the country, again without a large number lack of black people to oppress.

No matter - I'm sure this won't stop the NYT.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 21, 2019 07:04 PM (I2/tG)

115 >>>Sugar isn't the problem. Over-eating is the problem. If sugar were gone tomorrow, people would over-eat something else

you know, they've tested this proposition.

You might want to test it too.

Try overeating ice cream vs. overeating salmon.

Guess which one you'll have a hard time overeating, and which one you'll find it very, very easy to overeat?

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:04 PM (PbpT7)

116 I have to study the label on freaking TOMATO SAUCE before buying it, because they put sugar in it. Several kinds, no less. This isn't personal choice, its really bad for me and my diabetic brother could go into a coma and freaking die if we get too much sugar.

They shoehorn that crap into everything, no matter how unreasonable, like mayonnaise and anti-diarrhea medicine.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:05 PM (KZzsI)

117 Joe Stalin totally solved the poor-people-want-to-eat problem in Ukraine in '32 - '33.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 21, 2019 07:05 PM (+y/Ru)

118 "Sugar was one of the nastiest crops to harvest (I'm not sure why; it might just be due to the hot, wet conditions necessary for cane sugar cultivation), and as most free people did not want to do it, slaves were forced to work the sugar fields."

Not just harvest, refining was pretty terrible too.

For what that's worth, which yeah, as regards early 21st century United States politics, is very very little.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 21, 2019 07:05 PM (t+qrx)

119 Slavery in the Muslim world ebbs and flows with where they stand in ruling a country, when they are on top it will come back full force.

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2019 07:05 PM (BbGew)

120 >>>111 Without sugarcane there would be no rum.

THERE'S NO RUM?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow at August 21, 2019 07:05 PM (PbpT7)

121 Sugar isn't the problem. Over-eating is the problem.

That's not entirely false but the sugar has a definite metabolic effect that, say, lettuce does not. Sugar stores in your body, it is turned into fat.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:05 PM (KZzsI)

122 It was the correct decision, anyway.


As long as the threat of being burned alive for voting against your citizens remains a real thing.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 21, 2019 07:05 PM (yQpMk)

123 The NYT knows Farrakhan loves to talk about The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, right?

"We know what it is"
--Illinois Nazis


"The Jew is using the Black as muscle against you!"

Posted by: Head Illinois Nazi at August 21, 2019 07:06 PM (7s3Gx)

124 osted by: Tom Servo at August 21, 2019 07:00 PM (Kpl3J)

Portuguese, too.

In fact, they may have been the first in African slave trade. I don't recall, but they were certainly in on it early.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:06 PM (A/mD5)

125
Try overeating ice cream vs. overeating salmon.


Guess which one you'll have a hard time overeating, and which one you'll find it very, very easy to overeat?




(gazes down at bowl with large, adoring eyes.)

I love you ice cream.

Posted by: shibumi, future Ohio dental floss tycoon at August 21, 2019 07:06 PM (AkkRZ)

126 Refined sugar gives me energy and maximum labor output.

In a physical labor job , I burn it all.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:06 PM (TIDT7)

127 >>>121 Sugar isn't the problem. Over-eating is the problem.

That's not entirely false but the sugar has a definite metabolic effect that, say, lettuce does not. Sugar stores in your body, it is turned into fat.

...

I mean, if someone's full, they will refuse your offer of "How about a pork chop?"

They'll feel a visceral (pun intended) aversion to eating a pork chop when they're full.


But they'll probably say yes to a high carb desert.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (PbpT7)

128 I love you ice cream.
Posted by: shibumi, future Ohio dental floss tycoon at August 21, 2019 07:06 PM (AkkRZ)


*nods smugly*

Posted by: MSU Dairy Store at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (t+qrx)

129 I think they chose 1619 because "1619" is short and easy to remember.

The whole project isn't to address slavery per se but to delegitimize America per se. America has been stained by this sin from the beginning, you see, so everything that followed - individual liberty, constitution, free markets, self-governance, consent of the governed - is sinful and illegitimate.

It's an agitprop project. If you try to counter it with historical arguments about slavery's universality, it'll just slide off their backs.

Posted by: Hands at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (786Ro)

130 >>> Over-eating is the problem.


So is declining physical activity. We have a society affluent enough where most of us never need to do physical labor to make a living, let alone put food on the table.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (HmZuC)

131 Long as we're at it, what was the decision on the Electors?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (7s3Gx)

132 More poor people are eating meat around the world. That means they will live longer, healthier lives, but it is bad news for the environment.

-
This is exactly why the El Paso shooter took matters into his own hands.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (+y/Ru)

133 Pre-revolution Haiti was full of black slave owners. Heck Toussaint Louverture, the "Father of the Haitian Revolution" had been both a slave-driver and a slave owner.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (BJKQV)

134 It's before cane is harvested, the mechanized harvesterers then cut the cane into billets to be delivered to the sugar mills.

Posted by: John bishop at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (N4z2w)

135 Never saw a cane field until I left home. But saw plenty of tobacco fields, up close.

Damn - that was hard work.

Posted by: The White Devil at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (P4GTk)

136 Sugar isn't the problem. Over-eating is the problem. If sugar were gone tomorrow, people would over-eat something else. Obesity is a function of having a wealthy society with cheap food and lots of labor-saving devices. I doubt it really has much to do with the nature of the food.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:03 PM (A/mD5)

I saw a jar of pickles ingredients once and there was sugar in it. Thats when I started consciously looking for the products with only ingredients that made sense.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (X6Rqi)

137 I have to study the label on freaking TOMATO SAUCE before buying it, because they put sugar in it.


Only one variety of Hunts Spagetti sauce doesn't have HFCS in it.

That one has sugar.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (yQpMk)

138 Without sugarcane there would be no rum.

Let's not get hasty.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:04 PM (ZLI7S)


Rum is awful.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (EcqY2)

139 you know, should note that the indentured hottie immigrant thing is not slavery, it would be legal and monitored by the department of agriculture with regular home visits.

Well, its a kind of slavery, but it is a gentle and productive sort. When done right, it teaches a trade and enables people who would otherwise never be able to, to accomplish things like immigrate to the United States. I think reinstating it would be a good thing to attempt, at least.

Want to pay off your college debt? OK you work for room and board here until you pay it off, while learning a trade that will actually be useful instead of that degree in Swahili Feminism

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (KZzsI)

140 I hear he whipped the women just around midnight.

No, no, no, after midnight.

That's when we let it all hang down, cause talk and suspicion, give an exhibition, and find out what it's all about!

Posted by: E. Clapton at August 21, 2019 07:08 PM (XuBZu)

141 I'm convinced the adding of sugar, corn sweetener to everything has the most to do with the country's weight problem.

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2019 07:08 PM (BbGew)

142 Salmon ice cream FTW!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 21, 2019 07:08 PM (NWiLs)

143 Dat booger sugar tho.

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 07:08 PM (QwmrN)

144
The "Battelbots videos" disappearing;

I'm assuming from the article that hey weren't "banned" by a person. They were identified by a computer program that automatically deleted them. Someone wrote some code that was uleased on the world without understanding how "well" it worked. This is what will be happening to people soon.

Posted by: pawn at August 21, 2019 07:08 PM (PveK5)

145 >>>133 Pre-revolution Haiti was full of black slave owners. Heck Toussaint Louverture, the "Father of the Haitian Revolution" had been both a slave-driver and a slave owner.

on that, I read a book by an American trying to get certified to be a teacher of English in France.

She noted that the French history books talked all about American slavery, but for some reason completely skipped over slavery in French colonies like Haiti.

Just completely slipped their minds (in edition after edition)!

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:08 PM (PbpT7)

146 131

Decision was electors can vote for anyone they want regardless of how the votes of their state voted.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 07:08 PM (X6Rqi)

147 >>Rum is awful.

Good. More for me.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:09 PM (ZLI7S)

148 > Listen to him, people. Nobody knows more about human rights than Muslims!

Ask him what happened to all the African slaves that were imported into the Arabian peninsula.

I mean, we still have the descendants of slaves living in the United States. Brazil has plenty. Every other European colony that had African slaves has plenty.

But there are virtually none left in the Arab lands, despite the fact that they were importing zillions of them over a much longer period than the Europeans did.

Curious, isn't it?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:09 PM (cB5if)

149 More poor people are eating meat around the world. That means they will
live longer, healthier lives, but here's why that's a bad thing.......

Posted by: grammie winger at August 21, 2019 07:09 PM (lwiT4)

150 You selfish proles need to eat your oatmeal w/o butter or sugar and stop eating so much meat. If you'd get yourselves down to a proper serf weight you wouldn't have to whine about 82F being too hot for sleeping.

*idiots like the Economist writers who fancy themselves in an elite class with exceptions to the prole rules.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at August 21, 2019 07:09 PM (eASYU)

151 Say "sixteen nineteen" out loud to yourself. It has a catchy cadence.

It's the "Remember the Alamo" of Intersectionality. Look for the project to tie everything we have, everything we know.

Of course it's going to fail, but lefties gotta lefty.

Posted by: Hands at August 21, 2019 07:09 PM (786Ro)

152 . They're against the world's poor having healthy food.

******

But as Joe Biden reminds us, poor people can eat just as much as white people.

Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2019 07:09 PM (mvenn)

153 Try overeating ice cream vs. overeating salmon.

Guess which one you'll have a hard time overeating, and which one you'll find it very, very easy to overeat?

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:04 PM (PbpT7)


What's the point?

Lots of people overeat bread. Big whoop. Overeating is a problem the person has, not one the food causes. Sugary foods don't force themselves into anyone's mouth.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:09 PM (EcqY2)

154 >> as most free people did not want to do it


This is not really true, or at least not the whole truth. In the 18th and 19th century it was understood ( rightly and wrongly for complex reasons) that Africans were better suited to working in very hot conditions than Europeans. The sun and skin color is a part of it, but resistance (built up and genetic) to malaria was a big part of it.

It's not that Europeans wouldn't do those jobs, but certainly free people would not travel to the jungle to do them since for most of them it would have been a sure death from disease.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at August 21, 2019 07:09 PM (LWu6U)

155
You know how Reagan's CIA introduced Crack in the black neighborhoods to keep
the black man down?

He also put McDonaldses in black neighborrhoods to keep the black man fat and slow.

Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:09 PM (pKmEq)

156 141

#MeToo

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 07:10 PM (X6Rqi)

157 Oops, I got it wrong. HRM McCain was saying there was no "voice of *reason*" left in the Republican Party.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at August 21, 2019 07:10 PM (7s3Gx)

158 you know you have to think some of this makes sense, when the scientists and engineers from africa were forced to workd in the fields of the south it served to simultaneously deprive africa of its best and brightest and then make it impossible to share their learning with their future generations here.

Posted by: yankeefifith at August 21, 2019 07:10 PM (HALdu)

159 >>>137 I have to study the label on freaking TOMATO SAUCE before buying it, because they put sugar in it.


Only one variety of Hunts Spagetti sauce doesn't have HFCS in it.

That one has sugar.

...

Rao's has either no added sugar or very little. It's good, and it's in most groceries now.

Amazon sells one called Yo Mama sauce, which also has no/very little added sugar.

Obviously tomatoes have sugar that can't be avoided.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:10 PM (PbpT7)

160 They eat all meat in China, dog, snake, rat ... but there is not enough. And now (iirc a morning link by JJ) China has a pig disease, really bad, like Ebola for pigs, they said. That is why they are buying fewer soybeans, half as many pigs to feed.

The war against GMOs and the war against cheap energy will kill the billion or more that "global warming" would only help (because their warming war is really a tax scam against cheap energy).


Meanwhile in America, meatless Monday and Michelle's retarded lunch program are their own brain drain on students, as if the commie teachers were already frying the kid's brains with commie core. War on kids.

Then we get the (fake) war on white supremacy, which advances incompetents based solely on skin color quotas, and dismisses others from criminal prosecution based on disparate impact. Yes we do have a racism problem, but it is the weapon of the globalist cabal used against our Liberty.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2019 07:10 PM (Cus5s)

161 >>Pre-revolution Haiti was full of black slave owners. Heck Toussaint Louverture, the "Father of the Haitian Revolution" had been both a slave-driver and a slave owner.

Slaves were everywhere in the Caribbean as far back as the 1600s. All that sugarcane wasn't going to harvest itself.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:10 PM (ZLI7S)

162 So is declining physical activity.

Yeah like Ben Had said, if you have the right kind of physical exertion, you can burn it all off and you'll be fine. The amount of calories those big time weight lifters eat each meal is terrifying, but they USE IT ALL.

Americans eat like we're laboring over crops by hand all day long, and sit in an office all day instead. Those num nums we drink 3 times a day from Starbucks wouldn't matter as much if we worked it off. But we don't.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:10 PM (KZzsI)

163 "The Jew is using the Black as muscle against you!"
Posted by: Head Illinois Nazi at August 21, 2019 07:06 PM (7s3Gx)

I've always loved you.

Posted by: First Lieutenant Illinois Nazi at August 21, 2019 07:10 PM (BJKQV)

164 I'm on a high protein/low calorie diet (not as a diet-diet, but as what I usually eat), and that makes it impossible to eat at least 60% of what is on grocery store shelves due to added sugar. It's astounding what it's in and how much of it is there. Gotta be one of the big causes of the current obesity problem.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (H5knJ)

165 I think they chose 1619 because "1619" is short and easy to remember.

Posted by: Hands at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (786Ro)


They chose "1619" for the "69".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (EcqY2)

166 Amazing that they bother to saying eating meat is healthful. They've spent years saying the opposite.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (nRWPy)

167 "The Jew is using the Black as muscle against you!"

Posted by: Head Illinois Nazi at August 21, 2019 07:06 PM (7s3Gx)

"The Jew enslaved us out of proportion to their numbers!"
- Head Illinois Nation of Islam leader, probably. Definitely false.

If Jake Silverstein wants to incite ethnic tension for fun and profit, he should be reminded that white nationalists could easily do the same. And then ask why white and Jewish scholars are trusted to debunk the black man's work.

Any skilled demagogue can see the chance.

Posted by: trev006 at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (pGlzi)

168 That's not entirely false but the sugar has a definite metabolic effect that, say, lettuce does not. Sugar stores in your body, it is turned into fat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:05 PM (KZzsI)


Excess calories are turned into fat, regardless of the source of those calories.

Recall that fat, a triacyl glyceride, is a lipid (i.e., a highly reduced compound, not far off of being a hydrocarbon), whereas sugar is a carbohydrate (i.e., of the empirical formula (CH2O)n), so producing fat from sugar requires a lot of biosynthetic activity to reduce a carbohydrate to a fat. (Think making gasoline from sugar, to a crude approximation.)

The difference between sugar and lettuce is that there are virtually no calories (or nutrients, for that matter) in lettuce. It's basically water. You'd have to eat a ton of it to get the requisite caloric intake for any physical activity.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (A/mD5)

169 JackStraw, correction- More for US.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (TIDT7)

170 Duh, meant 19th century, not 18th.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (QDnY+)

171 Sugar is in everything making us obese as a society. So I would shed no tears if Big Sugar were taken down.


he's not wrong

-
Sugar, the other white powder.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (+y/Ru)

172 >>>164 I'm on a high protein/low calorie diet (not as a diet-diet, but as what I usually eat), and that makes it impossible to eat at least 60% of what is on grocery store shelves due to added sugar. It's astounding what it's in and how much of it is there. Gotta be one of the big causes of the current obesity problem.

yeah, it's for this reason that anyone who goes keto/LCHF has to cook for themselves most of the time.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (PbpT7)

173 Lots of people overeat bread. Big whoop.

.....

What if I told you most Bread sold in america has sugar added?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (X6Rqi)

174

Decision was electors can vote for anyone they want regardless of how the votes of their state voted.

That's retarded, sir.
That means an "Elector" can DISENFRANCHISE the voting majority at his/her whimsy.


Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (pKmEq)

175 By now wiki article on John Casor should be completely corrupted.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (1g7ch)

176 I have a balanced diet of paste and window licking for dessert.

Posted by: Biden at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (MAstk)

177 AG Barr says the investigation into Epstein's death is delayed due to uncooperative witnesses.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1164311467040002049

Posted by: IrishEi at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (sGotD)

178 Jeesh, todays news has been The Laff Riot That Never Ends, right ?

And yet, #StillNotTiredOfWinning!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (XNDy+)

179 But there are virtually none left in the Arab lands, despite the fact that they were importing zillions of them over a much longer period than the Europeans did.

"We found that if you castrated the males and put the women into hareems in which the children were slain, it kept the population down, effendi"
--Ali bin Muhammad al'Muhammed

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (KZzsI)

180 Well, its a kind of slavery, but it is a gentle and productive sort. When done right, it teaches a trade and enables people who would otherwise never be able to, to accomplish things like immigrate to the United States. I think reinstating it would be a good thing to attempt, at least.

Want to pay off your college debt? OK you work for room and board here until you pay it off, while learning a trade that will actually be useful instead of that degree in Swahili Feminism
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at A




well they learn valuable things, like how to iron and clean.

how many feminists have scrupulously avoided learning things which are more valuable and useful than the diplomas they paid hundreds of thousands for.

by the way, when it comes to ironing, I will put a crease in a shirt you could shave with.

Posted by: yankeefifith at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (HALdu)

181 Added sugar AND "natural" (eyeroll) and a diet high in grains and starches are the reasons for insulin resistance and obesity.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (nRWPy)

182 Say "sixteen nineteen" out loud to yourself. It has a catchy cadence.

**********


♫ ♪ ♫

In sixteen nineteen
We took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson
On a mighty slaving ship

Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (mvenn)

183 I'm convinced the adding of sugar, corn sweetener to everything has the most to do with the country's weight problem.
Posted by: Skip

And TV

Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (yIJFm)

184 When everything is a problem...

Posted by: Burger Chef at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (RuIsu)

185 But there are virtually none left in the Arab lands, despite the fact that they were importing zillions of them over a much longer period than the Europeans did.

Well, when you castrate all of your male slaves, it does cut down on the reproduction rate.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 21, 2019 07:13 PM (I2/tG)

186 Sugar and other carbs make you crave more. They are exactly the reason for overeating.

Posted by: Regular joe at August 21, 2019 07:13 PM (6/uwW)

187 I buy my Bluebell in the sleeves of a dozen cups. that way I don't eat it a pint at a time out of the half gallon carton.*



*the more you know

Posted by: x at August 21, 2019 07:13 PM (nFwvY)

188 Decision was electors can vote for anyone they want regardless of how the votes of their state voted.

Much appreciated...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at August 21, 2019 07:13 PM (7s3Gx)

189 16 gets you 19.

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 07:13 PM (QwmrN)

190 *nods smugly*

Posted by: MSU Dairy Store at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (t+qrx)


Yes, an ag college not too far had a dairy store.
The cream, the ice cream, the milk, I had forgotten.
It was the best.

Posted by: Billy Cole at August 21, 2019 07:14 PM (tyEy7)

191 >>>Excess calories are turned into fat, regardless of the source of those calories.

technically true but so simplified and missing important points as to be "false" in the gestalt.

If there was a type of food that, let's say, caused your body to overproduce insulin and thus begin fat storage before the nutrition even had a chance to be used for movement or other biological functions, well, that food would make a lot more "excess" calories than would, for example, four eggs.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:14 PM (PbpT7)

192 Yeah like Ben Had said, if you have the right kind of physical exertion, you can burn it all off and you'll be fine. The amount of calories those big time weight lifters eat each meal is terrifying, but they USE IT ALL.

Americans eat like we're laboring over crops by hand all day long, and sit in an office all day instead. Those num nums we drink 3 times a day from Starbucks wouldn't matter as much if we worked it off. But we don't.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:10 PM (KZzsI)


You see this daily in California with the Mexicans. Mexican men engage in hard physical labor, and are virtually never overweight.

The mamacitas and los ninos are often hugely overweight, because they eat like dad, but don't do hardly anything physical.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:14 PM (A/mD5)

193 GTFO and STFU about wal-mart people. Thats jus a virtue signal about how fuck superior you are. Grrrrrrrrr. The hate on wal-mart people gets fucking old.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at August 21, 2019 07:14 PM (0OmEj)

194 Big Sugar stole my lunch money and gave me diabetes.

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at August 21, 2019 07:14 PM (sN9mD)

195 But they'll probably say yes to a high carb desert.

Or mmpflfpm because I'm already eating a cookie.

Posted by: DaveA at August 21, 2019 07:14 PM (FhXTo)

196 Just because I freebase sugar does not make me a bad person. Fat, yes, but not bad.

H8rs!!

Posted by: Puddleglum, job huntin' at August 21, 2019 07:14 PM (TDEu0)

197 No sugar tonight in my coffee. No sugar tonight in my tea.
Some Canardian said that.

Posted by: Burger Chef at August 21, 2019 07:15 PM (RuIsu)

198 Excess calories are turned into fat, regardless of the source of those calories.

Again, while true, misleading. Sugar is very quickly broken down into fat. Other materials are more difficult (that is, they take more energy, and hence result in less stored energy). This is the secret of carbohydrates that some don't seem to grok: the more complex, the less troublesome they are. Potatoes take longer than oranges, which take longer than honey, which takes longer than a spoonfull of cane sugar. Each process uses energy, burning calories in your body, and resulting in less overall increased storage.

That's why vegans tend to be emaciated, because they're burning so much energy to break down the food they eat that little reaches their system to be used and stored.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:15 PM (KZzsI)

199 >>>181 Added sugar AND "natural" (eyeroll) and a diet high in grains and starches are the reasons for insulin resistance and obesity.


I like to imagine the people continuing to echo Michelle Obama's "Eat Less, Move More" and "Calories In Calories Out" as Japanese soldiers still defending a lost island in 2019.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:15 PM (PbpT7)

200 I both shop at walMart and generally dislike WalMart people.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 07:15 PM (X6Rqi)

201 I think they chose 1619 because "1619" is short and easy to remember.

Posted by: Hands at August 21, 2019 07:07 PM (786Ro)

They chose "1619" for the "69".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:11 PM (EcqY2)


Quadricentennial of 69.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 21, 2019 07:15 PM (1g7ch)

202 I figured, even though you're not a Christian you wouldn't mind prayers of people of faith of good will.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Thank you, Fen. Of course I appreciate good thoughts and well wishes.

We'll be sort of neighbors when I find a place to pitch a tent. My real e-mail is in my nic if you want to say hi.

I hope your hiatus is healing and productive.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:15 PM (fuK7c)

203 > my diabetic brother could go into a coma and freaking die if we get too much sugar.


Diabetic coma (severe hypoglycemia) occurs when you don't have ENOUGH sugar (for instance, by taking too much insulin). It's sudden and serious. The treatment for it is... ingesting sugar (or getting it IV if the patient is unconscious).

Getting too much sugar (hyperglycemia) also causes severe health consequences, but usually develops over a period of days to weeks.

If you're around someone with diabetes, recommend that you learn to distinguish the symptoms of the two, so as not to make an existing problem worse.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:16 PM (cB5if)

204 ♫ ♪ ♫

In sixteen nineteen
We took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson
On a mighty slaving ship
Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2019 07:12 PM (mvenn)


Holy effin' lol

Posted by: hogmartin at August 21, 2019 07:16 PM (t+qrx)

205 That means an "Elector" can DISENFRANCHISE the voting majority at his/her whimsy.



Yes, but it shouldn't be on a whim. Suppose that between the election and the inauguration it is discovered that the winning candidate was a child murdering secret selling traitor? I would hope that the electors would refuse to seat them. The trick is that overruling the electorate needs to be done with the electorate's approval or you and your entire family are burned to death.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 21, 2019 07:16 PM (yQpMk)

206 My mother had me in her mid-40s and she was born in 1921 (still going strong, btw) but, because of that she insisted I learn to iron and sew enough to hem a skirt or pants. NO ONE I know can do that, it's not even hard. She was a military wife so she also taught me to paint, caulk, edge a lawn, jump a car, and refinish furniture. I'm stunned none of my contemporaries can do any of those.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:16 PM (nRWPy)

207 I have never seen an emaciated vegan.

Not even a thin one.

Posted by: squeakywheel at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (TpZ98)

208 All this sugar talk, think I'll go get some ice cream

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (BbGew)

209 Go ahead, take sugar out of everything. Hope you like the taste of cardboard.

Skip, every blueberry you eat has natural sugar.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (TIDT7)

210 I suppose if the Dems ever do get around to forcing reparations onto the Country, the recipients will probably be barred from using the money to purchase meat and other items they deem to not be politically correct.

Posted by: Surfperch at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (tVQUs)

211 if SCOTUS agrees with this ruling, then the scheme the Dem States have contrived to use only the popular vote as the means of electing a President may pass muster.

That said I think they might agree with the ruling as that's laid out in the Constitution. but then disagree that the states can pass a law saying that the electors have to do what they're told.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (cxIsI)

212

I hate Costco people.

Costcos are the hives of scum and villainy.

Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (IkqSn)

213 > "We found that if you castrated the males and put the women into hareems in which the children were slain, it kept the population down, effendi"

Bingo.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (cB5if)

214 Decision was electors can vote for anyone they want regardless of how the votes of their state voted.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 07:08 PM (X6Rqi)


Which was always the case. ALWAYS. Electors were meant to be totally independent agents. That was a safeguard.

States don't have one set of electors and then tell them how to vote. Each candidate has a slate of electors and the voters vote for the elector lists. If there is a bad elector in the list that is generally the candidate's fault.

In the lefty anti-Constitutional popular vote crap, they are trying to have states send the wrong electors! - i.e. the voting in the state has nothing to do with the actual elector lists. If a state thinks that it can send any electors and force them to vote any way it wants .... that is wrong and so very, very, very un-Constitutional.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (EcqY2)

215 Begun the Bacon War has.

Posted by: Yodeler at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (PtTcP)

216 If we eliminate all the rich vegan/vegetarians, then the world will have enough room for poor meat eaters, and we'll save the environment. Win-Win.

Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (ABjxW)

217 If there was a type of food that, let's say, caused your body to overproduce insulin and thus begin fat storage before the nutrition even had a chance to be used for movement or other biological functions

Sorry, no sale. The major fuel for sustained aerobic activity: fat.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (A/mD5)

218 Fuck the planet.

Posted by: guy who really likes holes at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (Fh/0r)

219 The hate on wal-mart people gets fucking old.

Yeah I sometimes think of doing a website where I put pictures of the gorgeous girls and slim people I see in Wal*Mart EVERY TIME I AM IN ONE. I could compare that to the heaving trolls I have seen in places like Macys or Target.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (KZzsI)

220

The trick is that overruling the electorate needs to be done with the electorate's approval or you and your entire family are burned to death.

Agreed.

Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (IkqSn)

221 >>>208 All this sugar talk, think I'll go get some ice cream

You can make sugar-free ice cream.

I got all the stuff to do it but then I didn't. Apparently you have to cook the cream (I think what they want you to cook is really the eggs, due to salmonella fears) and I just haven't felt like doing that.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:18 PM (PbpT7)

222 Why are Americans or the white race or whatever guilty of the sin of slavery committed before the US was a country by people that we aren't even related yet Obama isn't guilty of the same sin when it was his own ancestors committing it?

Posted by: First Lieutenant Illinois Nazi at August 21, 2019 07:18 PM (BJKQV)

223 212

I hate Costco people.

Costcos are the hives of scum and villainy.
Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (IkqSn

They have three separate aisles for rum, sodomy and the lash.

Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2019 07:18 PM (ABjxW)

224 That's why vegans tend to be emaciated, because they're burning so much energy to break down the food they eat that little reaches their system to be used and stored.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:15 PM (KZzsI)

Yup....I never met a vegan/vegetarian/food nazi that was healthy and robust looking.

The ones I know or knew were always sick with something too more often.

Eat a hot dog once in awhile for crying out loud.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 21, 2019 07:18 PM (Z+IKu)

225 207 I have never seen an emaciated vegan.

Not even a thin one.
Posted by: squeakywheel at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (TpZ9


C'mon, they can't be THAT skinny. Maybe they were turned sideways.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:18 PM (A/mD5)

226 >>>Sorry, no sale. The major fuel for sustained aerobic activity: fat.


okay, lol.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:19 PM (PbpT7)

227 why is the elector ruling so hard for so many to understand?

Posted by: yankeefifith at August 21, 2019 07:19 PM (HALdu)

228 Go ahead, take sugar out of everything. Hope you like the taste of cardboard.

I'm fond of avoiding extremes. Sugar where it belongs (cookies, jam, etc), and not where it does not belong. Don't add sugar to foods where it isn't supposed to be.

Did I mention freaking MAYONNAISE????

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:19 PM (KZzsI)

229 215 Begun the Bacon War has.
Posted by: Yodeler at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (PtTcP)

It's a natural sexual lube.

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 07:19 PM (QwmrN)

230 I like to imagine the people continuing to echo Michelle Obama's "Eat Less, Move More" and "Calories In Calories Out" as Japanese soldiers still defending a lost island in 2019.
Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:15 PM (PbpT7)


Hang on, what are you saying about "calories in, calories out"? That it's pseudoscience? I might be misunderstanding here.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 21, 2019 07:19 PM (t+qrx)

231 In Brazil in the late 8Os, gas stations smelled sweet, from the cane-based gasohol. Was nice. I assume as an oil self-sufficient country now they've shit-canned that nonsense, but shamefully I do not know.


The aromas were not nearly as great as a Japanese train station, which often smell like you're inside a great bakery in Paris, Quebec City, or TPHCM [Saigon].

Posted by: rhomboid at August 21, 2019 07:19 PM (QDnY+)

232 210 I suppose if the Dems ever do get around to forcing reparations onto the Country, the recipients will probably be barred from using the money to purchase meat and other items they deem to not be politically correct.
Posted by: Surfperch at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (tVQUs)


The only purchase allowed: dehydrated water. It's green!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:19 PM (A/mD5)

233
Rao's has either no added sugar or very little. It's good, and it's in most groceries now.

Amazon sells one called Yo Mama sauce, which also has no/very little added sugar.

Obviously tomatoes have sugar that can't be avoided.

Posted by: ace


Rao's is $8 a jar. Fuck that noise.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 21, 2019 07:20 PM (DrqHq)

234 LOL a muslim lecturing us about slavery.
Posted by: steevy at August 21

****

This.
I almost snorted my beer thru my nose.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2019 07:20 PM (yhYmR)

235 Try overeating ice cream vs. overeating salmon.

Do I have unlimited wasabi and soy sauce?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:20 PM (fuK7c)

236 The hate on wal-mart people gets fucking old.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at August 21, 2019 07:14 PM (0OmEj)


As does the chattering about the "obesity problem". Exactly the sort of Leftist Bullshit that is supposedly hated here.

Don't want to be fat ? Then don't. But enough with the fucking moralizing. Because after that - it turns into a "problem" needing a "solution".

And I ain't fat. Also get sick and tired about all the preening regarding those who are.

Posted by: The White Devil at August 21, 2019 07:20 PM (P4GTk)

237 The major fuel for sustained aerobic activity: fat.

Sure but that's two separate issues. The fact that some foods store more fat than others is distinct from the fact that some people eat more than they reasonably will use in their regular life. They're both true.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:20 PM (KZzsI)

238
Cripes, last Sunday I made the mistake of going to Costco right when it opened. The parking lot was already full.

I wanted to Get In and Get Out (nobody gets hurt) but these people, these vile subhumans were just strolling up and down the aisles with their entire hordes.

Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:20 PM (IkqSn)

239 In Hawaii it's mongooses and bufo toads.
****************
You do NOT want to startle a couple of bufo toads.

Posted by: Granddork at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (m92Gq)

240 I like to imagine the people continuing to echo Michelle Obama's "Eat Less, Move More"

I bet that that was a big hit with the ghettopotamuses.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (A/mD5)

241 Count de Monet: _I_ live SW of Baton Rouge.

The sugar cane harvest here is done mechanically these days. There's a machine/vehicle that cuts the cane and lays it down in a row, and there's a machine/vehicle to pick it up and put it in the cane truck with a big mechanical claw-like arm after the cut cane has its top leafy parts burned off.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Who Had a B-Wing, and Called It Brad at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (bOTbr)

242 I have never seen an emaciated vegan.

Not even a thin one.
Posted by: squeakywheel at August 21, 2019 07:17 PM (TpZ9

That's because we're healthy at any size, fatphobic bigot!

*scarfs down another box of vegan donuts*

Posted by: Typical Vegan Landwhale at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (tVQUs)

243 Go ahead and need chemo with no fat in your body.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (TIDT7)

244 lol you know everything you have to know about reparations has been coverd in detail by dave chapelle.

Posted by: yankeefifith at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (HALdu)

245 Japanese soldiers still defending a lost island in 2019.


They dig tiger traps on threads and poop on the sticks?

Posted by: DaveA at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (FhXTo)

246 >>>Hang on, what are you saying about "calories in, calories out"? That it's pseudoscience? I might be misunderstanding here.


Yes, it's pseudoscience. The body can do a lot of things with a calorie. What it actually DOES do with it -- use it for energy, use it to generate heat, or store it as fat -- is controlled by hormones which are themselves largely dependent on what type of food is eaten.

We've covered all this before.

It's noted in every Annal.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (PbpT7)

247 Ice cream parlors/restaurants run by local or regional dairies was a standard thing when I was growing up. Don't see much of it anymore.

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (XuBZu)

248 A faithless elector is a problem for the local party, not the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2019 07:22 PM (yIJFm)

249 Winco the local big grocery box store here has tomato sauce without sugar in it. Cheap as hell too, and its tasty.

Just avoid pre-made spaghetti sauce. Its easy to make and tastes way better than something out of a jar.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:22 PM (KZzsI)

250 193 GTFO and STFU about wal-mart people. Thats jus a virtue signal about how fuck superior you are. Grrrrrrrrr. The hate on wal-mart people gets fucking old.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at August 21, 2019 07:14 PM (0OmEj)


Walmart is great, great value. Walmart products last as long or longer than Target. Walmart is utilitarian any money spent over the Walmart is vanity.

If the Walmart closest to you is full of crappy people you live in a crappy neighborhood. The people at my Walmart are poor, but normal people, they are not those bizarre things on UTUBE videos.

Posted by: Billy Cole at August 21, 2019 07:22 PM (tyEy7)

251
Sorry, no sale. The major fuel for sustained aerobic activity: fat.

Bro, I hate to break it you but there's really no such thing as "burning fat."

Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:22 PM (IkqSn)

252 > Yup....I never met a vegan/vegetarian/food nazi that was healthy and robust looking.


I'm thinking of the old Woody Allen "Sleeper" movie where his character, a health food store owner, gets put in suspended animation and wakes up in the future.

He learns that meat and potatoes are actually the healthiest thing to eat, while his "health food" was terrible.


"Didn't you ever wonder why all the people who ate health food looked like...well...you?"

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:22 PM (cB5if)

253 You do NOT want to startle a couple of bufo toads.
Posted by: Granddork at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (m92Gq)


This is true. Dogs have died have eating/licking them.

Of course, mongooses are no day at the beach, either. There's nothing like a mongoose fight in middle of the night to provide a quick cardiac check on sleepers. They're like cat fights X10.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:22 PM (A/mD5)

254 Sugar is nasty to harvest because the leaves will cut your skin open and the canes have to be hacked down close to rhe ground. It is hot backbreaking painful work.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 21, 2019 06:48 PM (RFKtv)


I might have missed it above, but the other nasty part of sugar cane is burning off the fields before harvest. Setting fire to the stuff apparently makes it easier to process.

It might be illegal now, but in Hawaii up until at least the 80's, it would stink like hell and smoke would be everywhere. I'm sure it's as filthy as it looks.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 21, 2019 07:22 PM (OCv/C)

255 It's noted in every Annal.

The Black Company left this out entirely!

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (XuBZu)

256 Slavery is in the Bible AND the Koran, neither came after 1619. Screw the NYT, not good enough for the cat box.

Posted by: CN at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (U7k5w)

257 That means an "Elector" can DISENFRANCHISE the voting majority at his/her whimsy.



they should be able to, but at the same time be legally and financially liable to everyone they disenfranchised, and if they can't pay, sent to a sugar plantation to work it off.

Posted by: x at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (nFwvY)

258 >>>Rao's is $8 a jar. Fuck that noise.


well it's also not hard just to buy tomato paste and some stewed tomatoes and some spices and make it for oneself.

cheaper than prepared.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (PbpT7)

259 This is the first gallon ( probably less these da ys) of ice cream I have had in weeks. Use to have a bowl a night from May to November.

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (BbGew)

260 "Natural sugar" is still just sugar.

I like to imagine my great grandfather coming in from the fields and my grandmother saying, "Good news, we liquified your food and added fruit and ice! We call it a "smoothie!"

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (nRWPy)

261 Chattel slavery, courtesy of islam. Who determined that taking slaves the honorable way, defeating an enemy in battle did not provide enough meat for the slave market. So, they started the buying and selling of human labor.


The most prized slave of all? Blonde haired, blue eyed virgin teens, likely more European women and men taken into slavery directly or indirectly (Vikings) by muslims after all, being the concubine to a sweaty, unbathed, illiterate Bedouin savage wasn't exactly work that normal folks aspired to.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (Hn6S7)

262 Bro, I hate to break it you but there's really no such thing as "burning fat."
Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:22 PM (IkqSn)


I trust you're kidding.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (A/mD5)

263 Yes, it's pseudoscience. The body can do a lot of things with a calorie. What it actually DOES do with it -- use it for energy, use it to generate heat, or store it as fat -- is controlled by hormones which are themselves largely dependent on what type of food is eaten.

We've covered all this before.

It's noted in every Annal.
Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (PbpT7


It's largely controlled by the first law of thermodynamics, unless I'm mistaken. If you're taking in more energy than you're exerting, then you'll do something with the surplus, but if you're exerting more than you're taking in, there is no surplus.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (t+qrx)

264 As P.J. O'Rourke put it in All the Trouble in the World, just enough of me, waay too many o you.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2019 07:24 PM (rBtIz)

265 Rao's is $8 a jar. Fuck that noise.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 21, 2019 07:20 PM (DrqHq)

It's good though......Frank Sinatra's favorite restaurant back in the day if I remember right.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 21, 2019 07:24 PM (Z+IKu)

266 Sugar is nasty to harvest because the leaves will cut your skin open and the canes have to be hacked down close to rhe ground. It is hot backbreaking painful work.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 21, 2019 06:48 PM (RFKtv)


You could say much the same about bananas. No leaves cutting your skin but rats and snakes hiding in the bunches ...

I think harvesting anything is pretty much crappy, boring, painful work where people tend to get hurt quite a bit.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:24 PM (EcqY2)

267 Given how Qatar likes to use slave labor for its World Cup preparations, maybe the President should slap severe sanctions on them. Then explain that the NYT is the reason why. I'm sure everyone will understand.

Getting very tired of conservatives playing defense. Share the wealth of oppression!

Posted by: trev006 at August 21, 2019 07:24 PM (sh/GT)

268 For every buyer there's a seller.

Posted by: t-bird at August 21, 2019 07:24 PM (Zo1XC)

269 >
The most prized slave of all? Blonde haired, blue eyed virgin teens, likely more European women and men taken into slavery directly

If I'm remembering right, some of the later "Turkish" sultans were actually majority or close to majority European blood by birth.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (cB5if)

270 Muslim raiders routinely raided European coastal cities and kidnapped the residents.

Posted by: kallisto at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (XNkEi)

271 >>>It's largely controlled by the first law of thermodynamics, unless I'm mistaken.

okay whatever. No interest in discussing this further.

We've fucking put up so many links about this, so many times, and you just can't be bothered to click on any.

So, fine. It's all thermodynamics. Whatever. Not interested in talking with someone who can't be bothered to check any of the information that many of us stuff these threads with.

you're right. Eat lots of sugar. It will give you lots of energy.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (PbpT7)

272 There is a chemical that will prevent your body from absorbing the calories you ingest.and converting them into fat.


Ipecac

Posted by: Muldoon at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (mvenn)

273 Eat a hot dog once in awhile for crying out loud.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 21, 2019 07:18 PM (Z+IKu)


Don't have to tell me twice!

Posted by: Butt-gig at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (MAstk)

274 It's largely controlled by the first law of thermodynamics, unless I'm mistaken. If you're taking in more energy than you're exerting, then you'll do something with the surplus, but if you're exerting more than you're taking in, there is no surplus.
Posted by: hogmartin at August 21, 2019 07:23 PM (t+qrx)

Thermodynamics, shmermodynamics.

QED.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (BJKQV)

275 'Hang on, what are you saying about "calories in, calories out"? '

Here we go

Posted by: freaked at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (Tnijr)

276 I have never seen an emaciated vegan.

There are really three kinds of vegans.

1) the idiot college girl who thinks she's vegan while she eats ice cream
2) the person who is 350 pounds and is trying to lose weight by becoming vegan, but cheats a lot with sweets
3) the true vegan who eats only non-animal products, and that means almost nothing that has fat in it, even butter or oils.

The first two tend to not be skinny. The third has bad breath, bad skin, and is rail-thin because they are starving their body of needed nutrients as an omnivore. Almost NONE of them do what they have to in order to get the proper proteins etc (such as eat a crapload of beans).

It really takes a professional nutritionist preparing your foods in order to make it on that kind of whackball diet which is how the super celebrity rich people can pull it off.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (KZzsI)

277 Don't kill the small, poor ones until we've gotten a look at them, ok?

Posted by: Bill Clinton at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (Zo1XC)

278 sugar is good for you and so is as much refined bread as you can stuff in your face. It's just all Energy which you can use for exercise and stuff.

So, more sugar = moar GAINZZZZ. You're right, you're right, just do it, as Nike says.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:26 PM (PbpT7)

279 > No leaves cutting your skin but rats and snakes hiding in the bunches ...

Don't forget those banana spiders. Nasty critters.

"Beautiful bunch of ripe banana,
"Hide de deadly black tarantula"

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:26 PM (cB5if)

280 >>If the Walmart closest to you is full of crappy people you live in a crappy neighborhood. The people at my Walmart are poor, but normal people, they are not those bizarre things on UTUBE videos.

I have 2 walmarts that are almost equal distance from my house. One is next to low income housing area and the other is in a very nice suburban area.

The difference in the customer bases is striking.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:26 PM (ZLI7S)

281 well it's also not hard just to buy tomato paste ..

..


You had me at paste.

Posted by: Biden at August 21, 2019 07:27 PM (MAstk)

282
Eat lots of sugar. It will give you lots of energy.

Posted by: ace


Okay. Thanks for the tip!

Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:27 PM (IkqSn)

283 Actually ace those guys did no fighting, they avoided contact - that's why they were able to hang out in the jungle for decades.


Favorite stories were about the Japanese soldiers who stayed hidden, close to the enormous bases we put up in the Marianas, and got caught while trying to get a free meal by slipping into line at a mess hall.


Early on though the jungle was "Indian country" [can we say that?] - remember story of one submarine crew members on R and R in Guam or Saipan, dumb, ignored warnings about "hunting" hold-out Japs in the jungle as sport, and ended up very dead from same.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 21, 2019 07:27 PM (QDnY+)

284 Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:15 PM (fuK7c)

Thanks; It is good wishes, but it's also prayers, which is different. I will be out of commission for a while, but if I'm feeling up to it I would like to get together. It's not that far. Thanks for your e-mail. That's kind of you. If you get a chance try the fly fishing in your area. People were catching trout of very good sizes in the area where my earlier church was. I think it's hard for anyone to start a new job in a new place. Hopefully your colleagues will be friendly. You're a friendly guy.

Just don't end up like Ichabod Crane chased down the road by the headless horsemen in rural NJ. instead of NY

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 07:27 PM (+0VWg)

285 If I'm remembering right, some of the later "Turkish" sultans were actually majority or close to majority European blood by birth.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (cB5if)

There was that sultan who married a red-haired Scot chick. First sultan ever married. I think she had him kill all of his sons except for hers. The empire started going downhill after that.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 07:27 PM (BJKQV)

286 Eat a hot dog once in awhile for crying out loud.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 21, 2019 07:18 PM (Z+IKu)


Don't have to tell me twice!
Posted by: Butt-gig at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (MAstk)

Do you want to smell the Dog I cooked up?

Posted by: Don Lemon, a Sour Fruit at August 21, 2019 07:28 PM (tVQUs)

287 236 - Sloth and gluttony are sins; and even if you don't believe in sin, everyone thinks they are vices; there is a moral dimension to obesity - based on good old-fashioned conservative standards of behavior. But no one wants to hear that. Because when it comes to sin or vice, people prefer to sit in judgment of others rather than work on themselves.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 21, 2019 07:28 PM (H5knJ)

288 A friend told the story of having taking his mom out to breakfast and she ordering cane syrup. Eating her syrupy pancakes she remarked "this isn't cane syrup!

Chopping and refining cane was one of the things her family did. Like chickens and hay.

Posted by: Billy Cole at August 21, 2019 07:28 PM (tyEy7)

289
Ace is like that "never get in a land war in Asia" thing.

Never argue with Ace about carbs and fat.

Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:28 PM (IkqSn)

290 There was that sultan who married a red-haired Scot chick. First sultan ever married. I think she had him kill all of his sons except for hers. The empire started going downhill after that.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 07:27 PM (BJKQV)


Among the sultans, killing was always the order of the day. You had to kill to get into the position, just to be respected.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (EcqY2)

291 ace, WHOA. Everybody has a different body need.

If I lived your lifestyle I would weigh 300lbs, if you lived mine you would weigh 140.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (TIDT7)

292 Fat facts don't care about your feelings.

Posted by: Ben "Baby Snark" Sharpiro at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (Tnijr)

293 At least half the world's population is descended from slaves.

Posted by: kallisto at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (XNkEi)

294 I'd really like somebody to hack the media propaganda push. How exactly do they magically all come up with the same message at the same time - at all levels?

Because all of a sudden in the last few weeks, I've seen local TV shows and articles about how nifty it is to eat bugs (again). Mmmm, mmm. Mealworm chips! Cockroach etouffe!

Because, when we were visiting [insert hellhole here] where the happy people are so close to nature, we saw some lady on the side of the road selling fried caterpillars, and they say it's a delicacy, so you should eat it for Gaia!

Oh, make sure you scrape off those hairs because they're toxic and can get caught in your throat.

Like hell. You don't think those people eating worms and spiders would trade it for a bucket of KFC in a heartbeat?

My throbbing scrawny white ass.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (OCv/C)

295 Do I have unlimited wasabi and soy sauce?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:20 PM (fuK7c)

Ah ah. They've got sugar in them.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (cxIsI)

296 I trust you're kidding.

Its not a direct process. You burn ready energy in your body, then you start to burn muscle tissue, if you go too far. Then your body rebuilds that energy and tissue from the energy in fat. So its a few steps removed.

Exercise will reduce fat, but not directly, like its fuel in a tank.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (KZzsI)

297 Yes, it's pseudoscience. The body can do a lot of things with a calorie. What it actually DOES do with it -- use it for energy, use it to generate heat, or store it as fat -- is controlled by hormones which are themselves largely dependent on what type of food is eaten.

We've covered all this before.

It's noted in every Annal.
Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (PbpT7)


No, it isn't. It's thermodynamics. Heat IS energy, and fat is merely stored fuel. Biosynthetic pathways are under feedback control, homeostasis being a central theme of physiology. (E.g., body temperature, blood pH and osmolarity, etc.) Never mind the "hormones;" they're just the feedback signals. Are there any obese people in a famine? No. Hormones notwithstanding, because they're not getting enough to eat.

And what's anal got to do with it? /kidding

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (A/mD5)

298 Do you want to smell the Dog I cooked up?
Posted by: Don Lemon, a Sour Fruit at August 21, 2019 07:28 PM (tVQUs)


Yas Queen!

Posted by: Butt-gig at August 21, 2019 07:30 PM (MAstk)

299 "243 Go ahead and need chemo with no fat in your body.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (TIDT7) "


This.
There is a perfectly good reason for the body to store some spare energy to live on, just in case.
That we abuse this useful faculty does not make it bad in and of itself.
When I was sick back in Feb, I lost 20+ pounds in maybe 3 days, a method I do not recommend ! glad I had some to lose ! as it was I have had to work to rebuild the muscle tone I lost from laying in bed.

(going to see the docs tomorrow ! pray that the blood clots in my lungs have cleared ! )

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 21, 2019 07:31 PM (XNDy+)

300 Sugar lowers testosterone and HGH production. It literally kills it. Plenty of studies out there.

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 07:31 PM (QwmrN)

301 Yup....I never met a vegan/vegetarian/food nazi that was healthy and robust looking.



The ones I know or knew were always sick with something too more often.



Eat a hot dog once in awhile for crying out loud.


I've seen a few, but they're pretty rare. I work around a LOT of people from India who are almost all vegetarians. 80% of them are skinny-fat. The rest are just fat.

I've also seen a ton of vegans up close who look ill all the time; sallow, discolored skin, tired eyes and low energy.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2019 07:31 PM (9t0Zz)

302 Don't kill the small, poor ones until we've gotten a look at them, ok?
Posted by: Bill Clinton

The kind that'll do anything for a sugar cube.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 21, 2019 07:31 PM (+y/Ru)

303
I can't believe what I'm watching. The opening frames introduce a sinister development: contented, healthy kids of color.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 21, 2019 07:31 PM (13CQC)

304 If I have it right that fasting doctor says to burn fat you have to get past any new calories you have put in burning them up.

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2019 07:31 PM (BbGew)

305 These damn Danes are getting pretty uppity.

We may have to just take Greenland by force.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:32 PM (ZLI7S)

306 > There was that sultan who married a red-haired Scot chick.

There was a lot of Greek, Circassian, Bulgarian, etc. blood in them, too.

At least one Sultan's mother was a Frenchwoman, as I recall.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:32 PM (cB5if)

307 Eat lots of sugar. It will give you lots of energy.

Posted by: ace


****

But always store it on the top shelf.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2019 07:32 PM (yhYmR)

308
Speaking of sauces...

You know what's great?
We are all old enough to remember exactly when Chicken McNuggets came out.

What an instant national sensation!
And the sauces! Barbecue, Sweet N Sour, Mustard Something, and I think another one.

What a great memory.

Posted by: Soothsayer Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:32 PM (IkqSn)

309 At least half the world's population is descended from slaves.
Posted by: kallisto at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (XNkEi)

Does that mean the other half is descended from slave owners?

Posted by: Surfperch at August 21, 2019 07:32 PM (tVQUs)

310 >>Sugar lowers testosterone and HGH production. It literally kills it. Plenty of studies out there.


I'm still dipping my balls in pudding next november.

And not that sugar free shit, either!

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:32 PM (952GQ)

311 >>>This.
There is a perfectly good reason for the body to store some spare energy to live on, just in case.

I... I'm pretty sure no one is angling for 0% bodyfat. In fact, I'm pretty sure that no one outside of Instagram fitness models and bodybuilding competitors is angling for less than 8% bodyfat/18% bodyfat (m/w).

And they only try to go that low temporarily for competitions or photoshoots.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:32 PM (PbpT7)

312 No, it isn't. It's thermodynamics.

You're both right, as I understand it. It is thermodynamics in that you break down food materials into calories and energy (among other things) but your body uses a lot of chemical processes for how it handles the energy and nutrients it gets. Some of those processes are directed by hormones to different tasks and metabolic needs.

Its not one or the other.

Human bodies aren't a bunsen burner, they do all kinds of other things with the food and energy besides burn and store.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (KZzsI)

313 I'm pretty sure "white gold" isn't sugar, it's Michelle Pfeiffer. Bruno Mars, who is mixed race so he is an authority, says so.

Posted by: President Elizabeth Warren at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (q7oNT)

314 Among the sultans, killing was always the order of the day. You had to kill to get into the position, just to be respected.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (EcqY2)

Yeah, but after this dude all of the sultan's sons were raised never being able to see the light of day, just chicks as far as the eye could see. Then, when daddy died the oldest would have all other sons killed.

So they wound up with rulers who had grown up in almost absolute isolation, real freaks. Some of them just stayed with the chicks I believe.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (BJKQV)

315 Kevin Williamson's ex goes off on him, and OMG:

Letter To The Editor Of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg

https://tinyurl.com/y39w8wuj

Posted by: Monty James at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (Zqz9o)

316 Ah - car thing is about car makers bending to idiotic CA rules vs. using federal rules [I assume CAFE crap]. Trump is right.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (QDnY+)

317 No, everyone doesn't have a different body need.

But never mind, it's like herding antifa.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (nRWPy)

318 The hate on wal-mart people gets fucking old.

Yep. It does We go Wal-Mary occasionally simply because the prices are cheaper. Never had a problem with rude customers or rude sale staff and the people are of all sizes and colors.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (+0VWg)

319 you're right. Eat lots of sugar. It will give you lots of energy.
Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (PbpT7)


I didn't say a thing about sugar. I said the difference between energy in and energy out is the surplus or deficit. Saying that "calories in, calories out" is pseudoscience is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You can't store a surplus you don't have; you can't store fat if you're burning more than you're taking in.

That's all.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (t+qrx)

320 >>>You know what's great?
We are all old enough to remember exactly when Chicken McNuggets came out

they came out when the stupid government told us all that red meat was terribly bad for us and we all started eating much less red meat and much more chicken.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:34 PM (PbpT7)

321 290
There was that sultan who married a red-haired Scot chick. First
sultan ever married. I think she had him kill all of his sons except for
hers. The empire started going downhill after that.



Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 07:27 PM (BJKQV)



Among the sultans, killing was always the order of the day. You had to kill to get into the position, just to be respected.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (EcqY2)

Natural death in all of the Caliphates was usually some higher than expected ratio of steel to air. Natural causes? Well, when your head is cleaved from your neck, naturally you are gonna die. Natural.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at August 21, 2019 07:34 PM (Hn6S7)

322 There was that sultan who married a red-haired Scot chick.

There was a lot of Greek, Circassian, Bulgarian, etc. blood in them, too.

At least one Sultan's mother was a Frenchwoman, as I recall.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

****

I grew up in a small town in Washington State called Sultan. Never found any French ladies.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2019 07:34 PM (yhYmR)

323 Let me tell you a dirty little secret ... some people are just pre-disposed to being heavier than others - even given the same diet and exercise. We call this "Body Types".

Some folks go to nutritional extremes in an attempt to retrain their bodies to not store energy reserves. When times get hard, we'll call them "victims".

Because when times get hard, your favorite protein powder ain't gonna' be in stock. And nobody will give a shit about your six-pack.

Posted by: The White Devil at August 21, 2019 07:34 PM (P4GTk)

324 There was that sultan who married a red-haired Scot chick

The later Umayyads and the 'Abbasids trended blond. Some were even blue-eyed, to the horror of the Arabs, who didn't mind light skin or hair, but thought blue eyes were unnatural.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 21, 2019 07:34 PM (ykYG2)

325 > we saw some lady on the side of the road selling fried caterpillars, and they say it's a delicacy

Lobsters, crabs, and shrimp are basically bugs.

Clams, oysters, scallops, abalone are basically slugs.

Yeah, yeah, the lobsters and such are crustaceans, not insects.

They're still bugs.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:34 PM (cB5if)

326 Pure cane sugar is another thing hard enough to find as to be inconvenient. I used to buy Roddenbury's (sp?) at the grocery store and mix it 75/25 with maple for the kids when they were young.

Alas, Roddenbury's in the store is 10% or so cane sugar these days. Pure cane seems to have gotten expensive as hell, though it's still available online.

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at August 21, 2019 07:34 PM (XuBZu)

327 There is a perfectly good reason for the body to store some spare energy to live on, just in case.

Sure, the process exists for a reason, just like we tend to store more fat after a certain age for a reason. Its important for us, because we can't get out and get food as easily as we age. All this stuff works properly for a purpose, its just... broken and not working perfectly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (KZzsI)

328
they came out when the stupid government told us all that red meat was terribly bad for us and we all started eating much less red meat and much more chicken.

Posted by: ace



remember the big PR push for THE OTHER WHITE MEAT?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (IkqSn)

329 The carbs would routinely raid the proteins and that made the aromatases cry.

Posted by: kallisto at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (XNkEi)

330 >>You know what's great?
We are all old enough to remember exactly when Chicken McNuggets came out


There wasn't a McDonald's within 35 miles of my house back then.

Didn't even know what a McNugget was.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (952GQ)

331
The New York Times has no standing, no moral authority whatsoever to lecture us about slavery.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (Wx/+I)

332 Its not a direct process. You burn ready energy in your body, then you start to burn muscle tissue, if you go too far. Then your body rebuilds that energy and tissue from the energy in fat. So its a few steps removed.

Exercise will reduce fat, but not directly, like its fuel in a tank.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (KZzsI)


Sorry, but with respect, that's nonsense. (Also, what do you mean by "ready energy?")

Carbohydrates are used physiologically during short bursts of effort; sustained aerobic effort burns fat, because carbohydrate stores are limited, and quickly depleted.

https://tinyurl.com/y2y84wpt

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (A/mD5)

333

I remember the movie 1619: Conquest of Paradise

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (aKsyK)

334 My son had 8% body fat when he placed 1st in the state wrestling and that was from an immersion test, the stupid BMI algorithm said he was at 22%. It's unsustainable and seriously crazy.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (nRWPy)

335 305 These damn Danes are getting pretty uppity.

We may have to just take Greenland by force.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:32 PM (ZLI7S)



Aside from insulting us and our president they owe us money. They either pay up or we take Greenland in lieu of payment.

Posted by: Billy Cole at August 21, 2019 07:36 PM (tyEy7)

336 > We go Wal-Mary

Wal-Mary being what Wal-Mart started being called after Martin transitioned?

Heh.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:36 PM (cB5if)

337 "The day you divorce me will be your last day breathing" -- Kevin Williamson, to the mrs.

He seems nice.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 21, 2019 07:36 PM (ykYG2)

338 The Economist is explicitly arguing in favor of suffering and starvation. Why am I not surprised?

The left generally, like the crazed El Paso shooter, are pretty sure fewer people (lots fewer people) are the only solution to the "fever" they believe Gaia has contracted.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 21, 2019 07:36 PM (q7oNT)

339

The point is: All of us here lived in a World before McNuggets.

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at August 21, 2019 07:36 PM (IkqSn)

340 So what do people think about Splenda/sucralose?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (+y/Ru)

341 sock- Prayers up for you.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (TIDT7)

342 Point of personal privilege please .
Sugar is racist and so is cauliflower..

Posted by: redridinghood at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (wiXsO)

343 Sure, the process exists for a reason, just like we tend to store more fat after a certain age for a reason.

The obvious explanation: we're less active as we age, and fail to adjust our eating habits from the time when we were more active.

No need to invoke any mysterious reason.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (A/mD5)

344 Fenelon Spoke -
I think that we all wish you all the best while you take a break to address your own health ... those of us who do, will pray for you as well.

Hope to see a healthier, happier FS someday soon !


*dare I throw in a tastefully brotherly hug ?*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (XNDy+)

345 >>>I both shop at walMart and generally dislike WalMart people.<<<

I never go to Walmart to pick up chicks. Those bitches want the world on a platter served up with your pain and suffering!

Posted by: Fritz at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (kLDv+)

346 The Left is not "pro-environment", it's explicitly anti-human.

Posted by: I Have Questions at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (BvNzB)

347 The sugar cane harvest here is done mechanically these days. There's a machine/vehicle that cuts the cane and lays it down in a row, and there's a machine/vehicle to pick it up and put it in the cane truck with a big mechanical claw-like arm after the cut cane has its top leafy parts burned off.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Who Had a B-Wing, and Called It Brad at August 21, 2019 07:21 PM (bOTbr)

Yup....and back in the 50's and early 60's lots of Jamaicans or one of them island folks lost jobs when the sugar fields in south Florida brought in more and more machines.

They used to come in to harvest during the year but weren't needed any longer. Oh, the wailing and crying commenced.

Catch-22.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (Z+IKu)

348 I've also seen a ton of vegans up close who look ill all the time; sallow, discolored skin, tired eyes and low energy.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2019 07:31 PM (9t0Zz)

That's exactly what my Dad said would happen to me if I didn't eat any meat or drink any milk when I was a kid.

Posted by: Surfperch at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (tVQUs)

349 Let me tell you a dirty little secret ... some people are just pre-disposed to being heavier than others - even given the same diet and exercise. We call this "Body Types".

This is important to remember. I am one of those types who can eat ridiculous amounts of food, even bad for you food, and not put on much weight at all, then burn it off quickly. I'm a metabolic freak.

The idea that everyone has to look a certain way or they are wrong, immoral, or messed up in the head is evil. You can take everything to extremes, so you starve yourself into a stick or eat yourself into a balloon. But people vary and we have to give them room to be who they are.

The "body shaming" thing isn't completely wrong, its just ridiculously overstated by people who want to be disgusting human blimps.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:38 PM (KZzsI)

350 Hey the Inca and Aztec enslaved people and then ate some.

At least whitey wasn't crazy enough to eat their slaves.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 21, 2019 07:38 PM (Cn5ck)

351 What really annoys about the #1619 thing is that the first legally recognized slave owner wasn't until 1655. Until then, the laborers brought from Africa were considered indentured servants as was the English tradition. Typically a contracted four to seven years of slavery as payment for your debt, then freedom.


Anthony Johnson was a Virginia plantation owner who held an African named John Casor for many years past the end date as Casor had no knowledge of indentured servitude and assumed he was a slave. A neighbor of Johnson's, Robert Parker tried unsuccessfully to persuade Johnson to free Casor, then persuaded Casor to flee and Parker hired him for his labor.


Johnson sued Parker for his slave back. He argued that as Johnson was not an Englishman, he should not be held to English laws, and where he is from they take men like Casor as slaves for life. The court agreed and ruled in Johnson's favor, about four years later the legislature would formally legalize slavery for the Africans brought over on the trade ships.


And did I mention Johnson was an Angolan? Captured and sold by Arab slavers decades earlier, landed on the shores of America as Antonin, negro, and he worked as an indentured servant on a plantation in Virginia, then when freed built his own successful plantation. America's first slave owner, many decades after 1619.

Posted by: mugiwara at August 21, 2019 07:38 PM (p9Acv)

352 I'll defer to the Boss on the Great Calorie Debate, and anyway I'm saving my actual brain calories for this interesting little book later today. "The Los Alamos Lectures" - the talk given to newcomers at Los Alamos in 1943 by physicist Robert Serber. Mega-volts, not calories, mostly.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 21, 2019 07:38 PM (QDnY+)

353 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 21, 2019 07:37 PM (XNDy+)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (+0VWg)

354 everyone dies from natural causes; your heart stops so naturally you're dead.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (cxIsI)

355 We could offer the Danes some meat in exchange for Greenland.

Posted by: wth at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (v0R5T)

356 you're right. Eat lots of sugar. It will give you lots of energy.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2019 07:25 PM (PbpT7)


Party at ace's!!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (EcqY2)

357 I still live in a pre-McNugget world, never having let one pass my lips. (I hear they're pretty good, though. But why bother when you can get a yummy McDouble for less?)

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (XuBZu)

358 And forcing postwar Italians to cut sugar cane in Australia! And at least one WASP but he doesn't count.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093020/
?ref_=nv_sr_2?ref_=nv_sr_2



Posted by: andycanuck at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (Dh1wo)

359 We are all old enough to remember exactly when Chicken McNuggets came out


Two words.

Projectile. diarrhea.

Posted by: Impossible Whopper at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (Fh/0r)

360 The obvious explanation: we're less active as we age, and fail to adjust our eating habits from the time when we were more active.

Well, that's definitely part of it. But you can get just as much exercise and still put on fat around your belly as a guy or your hips as a woman as you get older. Its a change in your metabolism, because you know: you're older. And that's not wrong unless it goes to extremes.

Consider, as you age you're not as able to get around and do things you once did, so you're going to be a less effective hunter and gatherer. This means that you need to store more food to make it through the leaner times between meals.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (KZzsI)

361 dagny, can you clarify that for me because I read that as the person that does cement work for 10 hours a day needs no more than the dude at Google that sat in his chair for 6 hours.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (TIDT7)

362 >>Hey the Inca and Aztec enslaved people and then ate some.


And in doing so they technically, freed them from their bondage.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:40 PM (952GQ)

363 Sugar is racist now? Guess all y'all black people gonna have to boycott grape soda.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at August 21, 2019 07:40 PM (owkQl)

364
Fenelon Spoke,

Get well soon. Your presence will be missed.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:40 PM (IkqSn)

365 The New York Times has no standing, no moral authority whatsoever to lecture us about slavery.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (Wx/+I)
****************
They don't care. They are trying to start a race war.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 21, 2019 07:40 PM (wiXsO)

366 - although, reading the ex-Mrs Williamson's piece, she is no prize either.

Violently pro-abortion - as in, she knows it is slaughter, but supports it anyway because The Planet and Muh Body. She also cheated on Mr Williamson at least once that she's admitting to.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 21, 2019 07:40 PM (ykYG2)

367 No, it isn't. It's thermodynamics. Heat IS energy, and fat is merely stored fuel.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:29 PM (A/mD5)

I've never understood people's problem understanding this. My first car was a 1971 Ford Galaxy 500. It was a beast. It got 7 mpg.

Now you can get even beaster vehicles like SUVs that get over 20 mpg.

The newer car can do more work using less energy. Simple.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 07:40 PM (BJKQV)

368 OK, maybe I'm a liberal.

Yes there's always been slavery and yes it's in the bible and yes the slave trade was propagated by Arabs and no the history of American slavery is not uniquely bad in the world.

But look, we're Americans, baby, and we have to deal with the repercussions of American slavery. Are the Saudis enslaving Pakistani schoolgirls morally worse? Probably, but I don't think we're in a world history scorecard competition.

In America, to perpetuate American slavery, we created the myth that the Negro is genetically inferior and not fully human. That was the only way a moral people could countenance slavery.

And when slavery ended that idea did not. It haunts us to this day. So fuck it if the Japanese stole slaves from Peru to harvest guano in the South Pacific. (They did and it's wrong). Our slavery issue is the glacial pace of recognizing black people as co-human.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:41 PM (fuK7c)

369 Damn. Thought I got rid of that comma.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:41 PM (952GQ)

370 I laugh at people from Seattle when I remind them that Chief Seattle was a slave holder.

Dumb liberal asshats.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2019 07:41 PM (yhYmR)

371

You know what else is Thermodynamics?

McNuggets.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:41 PM (IkqSn)

372 Carbohydrates are used physiologically during short bursts of effort; sustained aerobic effort burns fat, because carbohydrate stores are limited, and quickly depleted.

Except fat does not break down into energy very quickly, its a long-term energy storage. The process is not direct, you're not pulling energy from your fat as you exercise a long time. The fat is broken down to replace what you used, which causes it to reduce.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (KZzsI)

373 I don't remember when McNuggets came out. We were born the same year. I know... I should get off your lawns...

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (lhaql)

374 A human that will enslave another does not care about the race of the slave.

Posted by: tmitsss at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (xlzu7)

375 334 My son had 8% body fat when he placed 1st in the state wrestling and that was from an immersion test, the stupid BMI algorithm said he was at 22%. It's unsustainable and seriously crazy.
Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (nRWPy)

I got down to under 10% and my strength disappeared. It is unsustainable if you actively train hard. I guess you could sustain it if you did very little and wanted no sex life.
Also, the BMI had me at 26, but I was in the top 1% of the fittest in the country. Makes zero sense.
Steaks not cakes.

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (QwmrN)

376 - and she punched Kevin in the face. Which is admittedly something some of us have wished to do, but then - we're not married to the man. you can't bring violence into the home and expect sympathy outside it

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (ykYG2)

377 My son had 8% body fat when he placed 1st in the state wrestling

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:35 PM (nRWPy)


Damn, dagny!! State champion. Wow.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (EcqY2)

378 In America, to perpetuate American slavery, we created the myth that the Negro is genetically inferior and not fully human. That was the only way a moral people could countenance slavery.

And when slavery ended that idea did not. It haunts us to this day. So fuck it if the Japanese stole slaves from Peru to harvest guano in the South Pacific. (They did and it's wrong). Our slavery issue is the glacial pace of recognizing black people as co-human.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:41 PM

****

What's this "We" shit Kemosabi???

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (yhYmR)

379 >> Our slavery issue is the glacial pace of recognizing black people as co-human.


Amongst whom?

The only people who seem hellbent on treating them as a different class of human are the very same ones who wield them as a tool for Progressivism.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (952GQ)

380 @351
It's even more fundamental, in 1619 there was no America, no colonies, there were only a handful of settlements from disparate European countries.

The NYT and others pushing this are fucking evil pieces of human detritus.

It's a historical, non contextual bullshittery.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 21, 2019 07:43 PM (Cn5ck)

381 Sucralose doesn't raise blood sugar but Splenda has maltodextrin in it which might be a carcinogen AND it raises blood sugar defeating the purpose of using it. Look for an erythritol stevia blend or liquid sucralose or monk fruit/erythritol b lo end if you must have a sweetener.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:43 PM (nRWPy)

382 Our slavery issue is the glacial pace of recognizing black people as co-human
Eh?
In what ways do Americans not recognize black people as co-human?

Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2019 07:43 PM (9t0Zz)

383
And this is why Ace thinks we're morons.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:43 PM (IkqSn)

384 everyone dies from natural causes; your heart stops so naturally you're dead.

My favorite Red Foxx joke is one where he talks about people criticizing him for how he drinks and smokes and what he eats. "That stuff is gonna kill you, Red!" He points out that all those people are gonna feel really dumb lying in bed, dying of nothing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:43 PM (KZzsI)

385 HEADHUNTER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1cRGVaJF7Y

Posted by: Obligatory - Front 242 at August 21, 2019 07:44 PM (952GQ)

386 I got down to under 10% and my strength disappeared.

-
I'm when mine is under 100%.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 21, 2019 07:44 PM (+y/Ru)

387 Barbecue, Sweet N Sour, Mustard Something, and I think another one.

What a great memory.
Posted by: Soothsayer


Honey mustard. That was it. 3 sauces.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 21, 2019 07:44 PM (DrqHq)

388 315 I do think a grain of salt has to be taken when listening to a Ex, but that is one tirade.

Posted by: Skip at August 21, 2019 07:44 PM (BbGew)

389 The "body shaming" thing isn't completely wrong, its just ridiculously overstated by people who want to be disgusting human blimps.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:38 PM (KZzsI)

Only men are body shamed.

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 07:44 PM (QwmrN)

390 We may have to just take Greenland by force.


It won't take much force.

I'm kind of ashamed that I didn't know I wanted Greenland until this whole Greenland thing came up, and now I wonder why I didn't want Greenland all along.

Of course we should have Greenland. It's on our side of the tectonic plate and it Canada so much as side-eyes it we should nuke Toronto. (Sorry Detroit, collateral whatevs).

Where did Denmark get the rights to it anyway? I'm sure it involved patriarchy, racism, and mansplaining.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:45 PM (fuK7c)

391 I don't remember when McNuggets came out. We were born the same year.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (lhaql)


I think they need to throw them out and maybe make some fresh ones.

Posted by: hogmartin at August 21, 2019 07:45 PM (t+qrx)

392 Sorry, Sock_rat_eeze


That's very kind of your brother. I appreciate the prayers and good wishes and I like hugs from anyone I like. I think one of the casualities of "Me too" is men whom I like and respect having to ask me. "A hug's o.k. right?" when they had no problem with hugging me before all this happened. That's too bad.

And if I seem irritable I'm sorry. I apologize. I don't really feel more irritable than I normally am, but perhaps I'm not the best judge of that. "My hope is built on nothing less....." Do you know that hymn? It means a lot to me and so when I keep my mind focused on the larger picture I'm usually fairly happy, but like anyone else I have good days and bad.

God bless you and yours, brother,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 07:45 PM (+0VWg)

393 Why are you talking about my brain? My brain is fine. Let me tell you, I've always had a good brain.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 21, 2019 07:45 PM (Zqun5)

394 I fucking hate Gavin Newsom, my governor. His use of force legislation is enraging, and will get police officers killed. In the press conference he dropped all kinds of racial dog whistles. Fucking slime ball.

Posted by: Max Power at August 21, 2019 07:45 PM (Hucnr)

395 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:42 PM (EcqY2)

It was a 2 week period. The next year he shattered his ankle, got MRSA, and will have permanent tendonitis from the screws and plates.

So...meh.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:45 PM (nRWPy)

396 But look, we're Americans, baby, and we have to deal with the repercussions of American slavery. Are the Saudis enslaving Pakistani schoolgirls morally worse? Probably, but I don't think we're in a world history scorecard competition.

In America, to perpetuate American slavery, we created the myth that the Negro is genetically inferior and not fully human. That was the only way a moral people could countenance slavery.


Yeah but that was put to rest a long time ago, and its hardly unique to the USA to dehumanize people that don't look like us -- or even to white people in the USA.

Slavery was an issue, generations ago. Now its just a club to beat people over the head with to gain political power.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:45 PM (KZzsI)

397 @362
Crap, so your telling me that all we had to do to absolve ourselves of our burden was to eat slaves?

The shit you learn on this blog.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 21, 2019 07:46 PM (Cn5ck)

398 Levin talking about an article in the Federalist that debunks this boring AF 1619 narrative.

Posted by: kallisto at August 21, 2019 07:46 PM (XNkEi)

399 323 Let me tell you a dirty little secret ... some people are just pre-disposed to being heavier than others - even given the same diet and exercise. We call this "Body Types".


We, in da bidness call 'em easy keepers. *wink*

Posted by: In Da Bidness at August 21, 2019 07:46 PM (tyEy7)

400 Seriously, legalize cocaine and make the hard white stuff illegal.

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 07:46 PM (QwmrN)

401 Slavery, It's all about the Benjamins baby.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:46 PM (TIDT7)

402 362
>>Hey the Inca and Aztec enslaved people and then ate some.





And in doing so they technically, freed them from their bondage.


and saved them from a fate worse than death.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 21, 2019 07:46 PM (sGtp+)

403 Trump's fault....

@NewsBreaking 7m

DEVELOPING: Millions of gallons of raw sewage spills into river in Flint, Michigan

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 21, 2019 07:46 PM (DrqHq)

404 The Dutch won Greenland in a bet on a Cricket Match.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:46 PM (952GQ)

405 In America, to perpetuate American slavery, we created the myth that the Negro is genetically inferior and not fully human. ... And when slavery ended that idea did not. It haunts us to this day.

Well, the legacy of slavery; and also the full standard deviation of IQ less than others, and their higher crime rates, especially rape rates, etc etc etc. But all that is all my fault apparently.

You're not a liberal, Bandersnatch; you're just a contrarian who drops bombs in the HQ expecting the rest of us will be too fraidy to call you on it.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 21, 2019 07:46 PM (ykYG2)

406 > In America, to perpetuate American slavery, we created the myth that the Negro is genetically inferior and not fully human.

The world is full of cultures that consider outsiders "not fully human".

Many American Indian tribes have endonyms that translate as "human being", "real people", and so on.

We won't even get into the astronomic level of racism among Asian cultures (or even WITHIN Asian cultures... untouchables, burakumin, etc.).

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:47 PM (cB5if)

407 I still live in a pre-McNugget world, never having let one pass my lips. (I hear they're pretty good, though. But why bother when you can get a yummy McDouble for less?)
Posted by: Hierominous Botch at August 21, 2019 07:39 PM (XuBZu)

You aren't missing out on much, they taste like meaty, salted popcorn when there isn't any sauce on them. Even frozen Nuggets from the store taste better to be frank.

Posted by: Surfperch at August 21, 2019 07:47 PM (tVQUs)

408 1865 (the ratification of the 13th Amendment)
-1619 (when slavery came to the Americas or something)
---------
246 years

So in 250 years Americans ended an institution that had existed since the dawn of mankind. I would think that a "Thank You" would be in order.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 07:47 PM (BJKQV)

409 >>Crap, so your telling me that all we had to do to absolve ourselves of our burden was to eat slaves?


Waste not. Want not.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:47 PM (952GQ)

410 > DEVELOPING: Millions of gallons of raw sewage spills into river in Flint, Michigan

Did Michael Moore jump off the high diving platform again?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:47 PM (cB5if)

411 Our slavery issue is the glacial pace of recognizing black people as co-human.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:41 PM


That's ridiculously silly bullshit, in many, many different ways.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:48 PM (EcqY2)

412 Only men are body shamed.
I don't think that's true. Women body shame other women all the time.
Most guys just exclude obese women from their dating pool.
Some guys overtly make fun of obese women. We call those guys dicks.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2019 07:48 PM (9t0Zz)

413 In all fairness, I've never been a slave. But my old man was a big believer in Indentured Servitude with an 18 year term.

Posted by: The White Devil at August 21, 2019 07:48 PM (P4GTk)

414 "The idea that everyone has to look a certain way or they are wrong, immoral, or messed up in the head is evil."


This !

"Fashion" (*spits*) has always been an elitist concept of "what is hard for the plebeians to do".
A few extra pounds was "fashionable" back when dying in a famine was one of the unavoidable life options for people who worked for a living.
When factory girls stated getting pale skin instead of tanned from working in the fields, boom, pale skin started losing market share.

One of the biggest, cruelest loads of bs ever foisted on the general (non-elite) public.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 21, 2019 07:49 PM (XNDy+)

415 You know who also produced tons of sugar from cane? Hawai'i. And not a slave in sight.

Posted by: NeoOtter at August 21, 2019 07:49 PM (0x00j)

416 Fenelon Spoke,

Get well soon. Your presence will be missed.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 21, 2019 07:40 PM (IkqSn)
****************
What's wrong with Fen?

Posted by: redridinghood at August 21, 2019 07:49 PM (wiXsO)

417 McNuggets came out around 81-82. I was dating a McD's asst. mgr. at that time, and I remember her giving me my first nugs when they were brand new. The big joke at the time was "what part of the chicken is the nugget from?"

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (O8WFE)

418 It was a 2 week period. The next year he shattered his ankle, got MRSA, and will have permanent tendonitis from the screws and plates.

So...meh.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:45 PM (nRWPy)


He's still a State Champion wrestler. That doesn't go away. It's impressive stuff.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (EcqY2)

419 > Where did Denmark get the rights to it anyway? I'm sure it involved patriarchy, racism, and mansplaining.

Viking conquest.

They had some disputes with the Inuit, who arrived at roughly the same time, but won out in the end.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (cB5if)

420 399 - Sure. of course. But no one is predisposed to be 5 foot something and 350 pounds. Outside of rare medical conditions and drug side effects, that kind of thing is the result of choices.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (H5knJ)

421 Well, the legacy of slavery; and also the full standard deviation of IQ less than others, and their higher crime rates, especially rape rates, etc etc etc. But all that is all my fault apparently.

I have a theory that the bulk of people who were taken as slaves and sold to the white people on the coast of Africa were undesirable types. The folks that tribes wanted to get rid of, the stupid, the criminal, the violent, the insane, the troublemakers. I mean, why get rid of the good ones? Sell that batch of scumbags to the crackers and we'll get rid of them!

I don't have any evidence supporting this, just a knowledge of human nature.

Now genetics are not destiny, but they do play a part. The same batch of slave generations gave us Booker T Washington and Denzel Washington, its not a direct certain line. But I mean... it probably does play a part.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (KZzsI)

422 The newer car can do more work using less energy. Simple.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 07:40 PM (BJKQV)

Ah, NO.

The newer cars use the same amount of energy per gallon as before (allowing for changes in the formulation of gasoline as sold publicly)

What's changed is that MORE useful work has been extracted as
due to computers than the old gas engines which were real basic analog machines and not digital with digital inputs as today's are.

They also demand a more scientific maintenance to keep up that efficiency.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (cxIsI)

423 Amongst whom?

The only people who seem hellbent on treating them as a different class of human are the very same ones who wield them as a tool for Progressivism.



Jeebuz. Do you even read the comments here?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (fuK7c)

424 Greetings:

Alternatively, for your viewing pleasure:

https://clarionproject.org/forgotten-slaves-1400-years-muslim-enslavement/

Posted by: 11B40 at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (evgyj)

425 unless I'm misreading Dennis Prager, the Torah imposes a six year limit on servitude and bans chattel slavery.

Yes, slavery is bad, because it stifles efforts to make machines do the work. Which is why there isn't a Roman colony on the Moon today.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 21, 2019 07:51 PM (ykYG2)

426 nuggets. I used to get sweet and sour chicken from a local Chinese place and get the sauce on the side. Chicken nuggets, pretty good for the price.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of hoboken at August 21, 2019 07:51 PM (ZqRa6)

427 Our
slavery issue is the glacial pace of recognizing black people as
co-human.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:41 PM (fuK7c)

Maybe where you grew up in Red Sox Nation Blacks aren't considered "co-human," but where I come from they are.


By everyone? No. But we are a post-slavery society, and until recently we were a post-racial society.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 21, 2019 07:51 PM (wYseH)

428 I've found a Christmas present for my.wife.

https://bit.ly/33NLW2J

Save de Erf!!!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 21, 2019 07:51 PM (+y/Ru)

429 gee, it's like it's 2008, 2012, and 2016 all over again.

Posted by: DNC/MEDIA at August 21, 2019 07:52 PM (JziUy)

430 Bander, that's just stupid. But if you can borrow ace's time machine, please feel free to go back and fix stuff.


To worry/fixate/fantasize/distort things in the past, when every avoidable problem faced by everyone today is entirely a product of current behavior, which might be amenable to improvement [or could at least benefit from an end to the massive distorting/enabling influence of govt. and society], is not just stupid but morally indefensible.



Posted by: rhomboid at August 21, 2019 07:52 PM (QDnY+)

431 >>Jeebuz. Do you even read the comments here?


Yeah - This place is a bastion for White Supremecy and shit.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:52 PM (952GQ)

432 And you, and yours, FS.

You don't seem irritable to me, btw.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 21, 2019 07:52 PM (XNDy+)

433 >>Where did Denmark get the rights to it anyway? I'm sure it involved patriarchy, racism, and mansplaining.

Vikings. It's always Vikings.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:52 PM (ZLI7S)

434 Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:41 PM

So do you agree with the emphasis of Beto and Kamala that America was built on the backs of slaves so there's nothing to celebrate about our history and that we're all irredeemably racist?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 07:52 PM (+0VWg)

435 You aren't missing out on much, they taste like meaty, salted popcorn when there isn't any sauce on them. Even frozen Nuggets from the store taste better to be frank.

I think they were designed to be tasty to kids, then given candy sauces to dip them in for good measure. They really aren't very good, even hot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:52 PM (KZzsI)

436 Jeebuz. Do you even read the comments here?
Appeal to ignorance AND accusing the horde of racism all in one short sentence.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (9t0Zz)

437 I feel enslaved by the NYTimes. They hate America and Americans more than ISIS does.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (6rjhq)

438 I think the DNC is basically saying that white republicans invented poverty, slavery, disease, famine, and religious oppression.

Posted by: DNC/MEDIA at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (JziUy)

439 Bet Trump appreciates Erik the Red's marketing savvy in dubbing it "Greenland."

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (O8WFE)

440 It is thermodynamics in that you break down food materials into calories and energy (among other things) but your body uses a lot of chemical processes for how it handles the energy and nutrients it gets. Some of those processes are directed by hormones to different tasks and metabolic needs.

What, pray tell, is the difference between calories and energy? Calories are a measure of energy, just like joules, BTUs, electron volts, etc. Again, with respect, not knowing that, frankly, does not inspire confidence.

Physiology does not acquire energy; it generates it, from food. Some fraction of food goes into cell division, repair, etc. The rest is oxidized,* metabolized by intestinal flora, and/or excreted.

Hormones are the signals of the feedback system. That's all. They don't decide anything. If you run, you rapidly deplete the O2 partial pressure in the blood, which causes you to breathe hard because the CO2 partial pressure in the blood increases, decreasing blood pH, which triggers heavy breathing.

* even anaerobic metabolism in humans ultimately results in oxidation by oxygen, because under anaerobic metabolism pyruvic acid (CH3COCOOH) acts as the "terminal" electron acceptor from NAD(P)H to generate lactic acid (CH3CHOHCOOH), which is what causes the "burn" in intense exercise. After the exercise, the huffing and puffing one does allows oxygen to reoxidize lactic acid back to pyruvic acid, so in effect pyruvic acid merely stored reducing equivalents temporarily. Incidentally, this is why mild exercise is recommended after intense exercise: to facilitate the reoxidation of lactate, which will otherwise lead to muscle soreness.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (A/mD5)

441 What's wrong with Fen?
Posted by: redridinghood at August 21, 2019 07:49 PM (wiXsO)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (+0VWg)

442 You're not a liberal, Bandersnatch; you're just a contrarian who drops bombs in the HQ expecting the rest of us will be too fraidy to call you on it.


No, I always get called on it and I'm serious. This is my favorite place to talk about ideas and there's no way in hell I'd invite a black liberal friend here to convert them.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (fuK7c)

443 Now genetics are not destiny, but they do play a part. The same batch of slave generations gave us Booker T Washington and Denzel Washington, its not a direct certain line. But I mean... it probably does play a part.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (KZzsI)

---

And yours truly.

Posted by: SMH at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (RU4sa)

444 Number of problems solved by screaming "slavery" and "racist":

__ 0
__ 10
__ 173
__ a slew

Posted by: Caliban at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (QE8X6)

445 Khalil Gibran Muhammad, eh? I guess with a name like that we are supposed to hang onto his every word.

Posted by: bluebell at August 21, 2019 07:54 PM (aXucN)

446 unless I'm misreading Dennis Prager, the Torah imposes a six year limit on servitude and bans chattel slavery.

I just got through reading the Pentateuch but my memory is hazy, but as I recall: the 7 year jubilee thing for slaves applied to Hebrews, and not captives from other nations. They were on the 49 year time table. But I might be wrong.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:54 PM (KZzsI)

447 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 21, 2019 07:51 PM (wYseH)

We're pretty post racial still. Out here where the Democrats fear to tread.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 07:54 PM (cxIsI)

448 or as Jefferson once said about Marcy, 'not breasts, just nuggets, and you need six to make a meal." (That was the very late episode that featured Robert Englund as the Devil)

Posted by: mallfly the peach of hoboken at August 21, 2019 07:54 PM (ZqRa6)

449 >>I think the DNC is basically saying that white republicans invented poverty, slavery, disease, famine, and religious oppression.


Well sure. It's part of their Master Plan for Complete and Total Voter Suppression.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:54 PM (952GQ)

450 Feed some poor starving sucker in Somalia a beef rib or an ear of corn and then ask him which one gave him the energy to do anything?

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 07:54 PM (TIDT7)

451 Whoa. That escalated quickly.



I'm just going to lie back and think of Greenland.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 21, 2019 07:55 PM (lwiT4)

452 399 - Sure. of course. But no one is predisposed to be 5 foot something and 350 pounds.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (H5knJ)


No - they are not. But ... get this ... Hulk Hogan would have been fucking worthless on any jobsite. Which is why he preferred to play bass instead.

I can't tell you enough about all great high-school and college football players ... who sucked halfway into the first day in the field. Great PT scores, though.

Posted by: The White Devil at August 21, 2019 07:55 PM (P4GTk)

453 I don't think "it's still 1862" is a winning strategy.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 21, 2019 07:55 PM (XrCyE)

454
Kevin Williamson's ex goes off on him, and OMG:

Letter To The Editor Of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg

https://tinyurl.com/y39w8wuj
Posted by: Monty James at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (Zqz9o)








She sounds almost as mean and assholish as he is. They deserved each other.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 21, 2019 07:55 PM (ur8yz)

455 Hormones are the signals of the feedback system. That's all. They don't decide anything.

Hormones don't decide anything, but they sure can ramp up your food drive.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2019 07:55 PM (9t0Zz)

456 412 Only men are body shamed.
I don't think that's true. Women body shame other women all the time.
Most guys just exclude obese women from their dating pool.
Some guys overtly make fun of obese women. We call those guys dicks.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2019 07:48 PM (9t0Zz)

Seriously?
Women don't body shame other women, if anything it's for being fit.
Of course men and women exclude obese people from the dating pool, it's biology.
The MSM and entertainment and advertising companies have made it clear men must look like Henry Cavil and women are beautiful looking like a 300 pound land whale.
Women body shame and shame the hell out of men in general. The 80/20 rule has gone to the 95/5 rule.

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 07:55 PM (QwmrN)

457 Where did Denmark get the rights to it anyway? I'm sure it involved patriarchy, racism, and mansplaining.

Viking conquest.

****

So they'll understand then?
Alrighty!!!

Posted by: 82 Airborne at August 21, 2019 07:55 PM (yhYmR)

458 What's wrong with Fen?
Posted by: redridinghood at August 21, 2019 07:49 PM (wiXsO)

You mean aside from my addiction to ASHQ? Unfortunately there's no 12 step program for ASHQ.

I am taking a couple of months off from posting after tonight because of health issues and someone else is kindly doing the prayer list in my absence

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 07:56 PM (+0VWg)

459
Our slavery issue is the glacial pace of recognizing black people as co-human.

Man, consider how Russians think of Central Asians before you say that.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 21, 2019 07:56 PM (Wx/+I)

460 White Gold Also refers to the European slaves sold in Africa.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at August 21, 2019 07:56 PM (dKiJG)

461 dagny, can you clarify that for me because I read that as the person that does cement work for 10 hours a day needs no more than the dude at Google that sat in his chair for 6 hours.


Needs no more what? Calories?

If the cement worker eats only high glycemic crap he's going to eventually get fat AND/OR diabetic because he's going to destroy his insulin response. The sedentary desk sitter needs fewer calories, of course. Both should avoid processed crap, added sugar, a lot of grains, and a lot of starches. Once cement worker destroys his metabolism with shit eating then he can STILL get undiabetic and unfat AND lower his cholesterol by dumping processed food and high glycemic crap.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:56 PM (nRWPy)

462 Viking conquest.


The Vikings at the time paid tribute to the King of Norway. I think Norway and Sweden weren't differentiated yet.

The Danes are a pimple on Europe. They're barely Scandi.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:56 PM (fuK7c)

463 I have a theory that the bulk of people who were taken as slaves and sold to the white people on the coast of Africa were undesirable types. The folks that tribes wanted to get rid of, the stupid, the criminal, the violent, the insane, the troublemakers. I mean, why get rid of the good ones? Sell that batch of scumbags to the crackers and we'll get rid of them!

I don't have any evidence supporting this, just a knowledge of human nature.

...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (KZzsI)


They were also defeated tribes. Tribal warfare one tribe wins one tribe gets sold to Arab slavers.

Posted by: Billy Cole at August 21, 2019 07:56 PM (tyEy7)

464 > Bet Trump appreciates Erik the Red's marketing savvy in dubbing it "Greenland."

Yes. If Erik were a NYC real estate agent today, he'd be one of those who call an "apartment" made by subdividing a closet "cozy", or referring to a location in the South Bronx as an "exciting neighborhood".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:56 PM (cB5if)

465 I gather you meant badass. But I am enjoying the mental image of Hogan strumming away on the bass and growling "oh yeah, brother."

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 21, 2019 07:57 PM (H5knJ)

466 How dare those deplorable peasants order the wagyu beef !

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at August 21, 2019 07:57 PM (BiNEL)

467 Nood VP Nikki Haley

Posted by: hogmartin at August 21, 2019 07:57 PM (t+qrx)

468 >>Man, consider how Russians think of Central Asians before you say that.

Most racist place I've ever been is India. And their racism is against other Indians.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 21, 2019 07:57 PM (ZLI7S)

469 I am taking a couple of months off from posting after tonight because of health issues and someone else is kindly doing the prayer list in my absence
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 21, 2019 07:56 PM (+0VWg)

Get well soon, and do come back soon. It's pretty obvious we need you.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 21, 2019 07:57 PM (xPJvm)

470 We've fucking put up so many links about this, so many times, and you just can't be bothered to click on any.

So, fine. It's all thermodynamics. Whatever. Not interested in talking with someone who can't be bothered to check any of the information that many of us stuff these threads with.

you're right. Eat lots of sugar. It will give you lots of energy.
Posted by: ace

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oh boy...the thermodynamics crowd showed up, eh?

on this point, someone made the point that there is no perfect diet. Worms eat dirt, cats are obligate carnivores, and so on. It's not just calories.

Posted by: DNC/MEDIA at August 21, 2019 07:58 PM (JziUy)

471 Women don't body shame other women on WHAT PLANET????

Are you serious??? It's all day every day all the time.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 07:58 PM (nRWPy)

472 I always considered Kurt Russell to be the original Disney slave. His little gig with Gilligan and the Skipper set higher forces into motion.

Posted by: Fritz at August 21, 2019 07:58 PM (kLDv+)

473 Yeah - This place is a bastion for White Supremecy and shit.

Ace said that was Idaho.

Posted by: Pendulating Richard at August 21, 2019 07:58 PM (qul7b)

474 Hormones are the signals of the feedback system. That's all. They don't decide anything.

I know you realize this is false. They are not byproducts, they actually have chemical effects on your body beyond signals. Not the least of which is development during puberty. There's a reason that hormones are given to transexuals after surgery. Testosterone is a well-known hormone that has broad effects.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:58 PM (KZzsI)

475 They called the area around the Niger river the Gold Coast because that was where gold, diamonds, ivory and slaves were brought for sale.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 07:58 PM (cxIsI)

476 No, I always get called on it and I'm serious. This is my favorite place to talk about ideas and there's no way in hell I'd invite a black liberal friend here to convert them.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (fuK7c)


****

Well dang. I must be doing something wrong. I have a lot of black friends. But they're all more conservative than I am.

Posted by: 82 Airborne at August 21, 2019 07:59 PM (yhYmR)

477 > The Vikings at the time paid tribute to the King of Norway.

Erik the Red's family had been banished from Norway over some unauthorized killings.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:59 PM (cB5if)

478 451 Whoa. That escalated quickly.

I'm just going to lie back and think of Greenland.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 21, 2019 07:55 PM (lwiT4)


Get your hands off me you damn dirty Skraeling!

Posted by: NeoOtter at August 21, 2019 07:59 PM (0x00j)

479 >>Ace said that was Idaho.


They DO love it there. Especially the panhandle.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 07:59 PM (952GQ)

480 @464
Actually they refer to those types of neighborhoods as up and coming, they also refer to people, usually white surburban kids going into historically POC neighborhoods as, pioneers.

Go figure, Craigslist is racist.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 21, 2019 07:59 PM (Cn5ck)

481 And yours truly.

Posted by: SMH at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (RU4sa)


Still love ya' - even through all my changing nics.

Posted by: The White Devil at August 21, 2019 07:59 PM (P4GTk)

482 Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 07:16 PM (cB5if)

Hmmmm....Im diabetic and when I eat anything high in carbs or sugar (for example fresh tortillas at the carnceria or a chocolate blizzard at DQ) I get really sleepy. Like gotta take nap NOW sleepy. If my glucose drops really low like when I play golf without having a meal before or something at the turn, I get really jittery and then become lethargic.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 21, 2019 07:59 PM (BrRAn)

483 And yours truly.
Posted by: SMH at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (RU4sa)


And a beautiful yours truly you are !
: -)))

Posted by: Adriane the Star Trek Legal Critic ... at August 21, 2019 07:59 PM (LPnfS)

484 Women don't body shame other women, if anything it's for being fit.


We're going to have to agree to disagree. Watch a beautiful woman walk past a group of average looking women at a club and then listen in on the next few seconds of the group's conversation. Alternatively, watch a dumpy fat woman walk past a bunch of high school girls and listen to the group's next few seconds.
Women can be extremely vicious about other women's appearances.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (9t0Zz)

485 Prayers Fen.
God bless.

Posted by: 82 Airborne at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (yhYmR)

486 Testosterone is a well-known hormone that has broad effects.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:58 PM (KZzsI)

Nice play on words there sport. nyuck nyuck nyuck

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (cxIsI)

487 Bet Trump appreciates Erik the Red's marketing savvy in dubbing it "Greenland."

It was a hell of a lot greener back when he found the place. That was during the Medieval Warm period that Michael Mann studiously ignored.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (KZzsI)

488 Ah, NO.

The newer cars use the same amount of energy per gallon as before (allowing for changes in the formulation of gasoline as sold publicly)

What's changed is that MORE useful work has been extracted as
due to computers than the old gas engines which were real basic analog machines and not digital with digital inputs as today's are.

They also demand a more scientific maintenance to keep up that efficiency.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (cxIsI)

Yes. Sorry "Useful work" not work wasted as heat. Thanks for being pedantic. So they're not really more "fuel efficient," they're more efficient at doing useful work with the fuel. Because people talk like that.

Technically, and we want to be technical here apparently, newer cars also extract more energy from the fuel they burn than my Ford Galaxy did, so they do get more energy for every gallon of gas they use. Technically.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (BJKQV)

489 This is my favorite place to talk about ideas and there's no way in hell I'd invite a black liberal friend here to convert them.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (fuK7c)


If someone is interested in talking about real issues, without any PC bullshit, then there are always conversations and debates that are going to be uncomfortable for some. That's the nature of reality, itself. But the key to a serious political scholar (if one were attempting to be one) is that political ideas live on their own and are not based on who else might share those ideas. You deal with the idea, not with the person espousing it. If you can't detach the two then you aren't really interested in any political theory or governmental architecture but more of a tribal apportionment of society.

This ain't rocket surgery.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (EcqY2)

490 Women body shame other women for being in shape. Maybe the body positive you are beautiful at 300 pounds is the minority.
Who knows real world or social media?

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (QwmrN)

491 >> Testosterone is a well-known hormone that has broad effects.


Doubly so if you like your broads hairy.

Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (952GQ)

492 Prayers from me too.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (yhYmR)

493 Kevin Williamson's ex goes off on him, and OMG:

Letter To The Editor Of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg

https://tinyurl.com/y39w8wuj
Posted by: Monty James at August 21, 2019 07:33 PM (Zqz9o)


That's one of the strangest things I've partially read (I defy anyone to endure the whole thing) in a long time.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (y7DUB)

494 And yours truly.

And Baldilocks, so clearly the theory doesn't explain everything

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 08:01 PM (KZzsI)

495 re 446: if you're interested, from the Jewish Virtual Library:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y598hq4w

Posted by: mallfly the peach of hoboken at August 21, 2019 08:01 PM (ZqRa6)

496 Nood

Posted by: NALNAMSAM at August 21, 2019 08:01 PM (AywU0)

497 So,

basically the Ace of Spades HQ is our own Private Idaho??

Posted by: NeoOtter at August 21, 2019 08:01 PM (0x00j)

498 Ace hates me. Fucking Willowed again.

Posted by: NeoOtter at August 21, 2019 08:02 PM (0x00j)

499 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (KZzsI)


They could grow grapes in Vinland thus it's name.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 21, 2019 08:02 PM (cxIsI)

500 dagny, with all due respect, Bullshit.

The sedentary worker has a cheeseburger, the cement worker has a cheeseburger. Whose destroying their insulin response.

Can your wrestling child do as well on the same caloric in take as you?

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 08:02 PM (TIDT7)

501 But I am enjoying the mental image of Hogan strumming away on the bass and growling "oh yeah, brother."
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 21, 2019 07:57 PM (H5knJ)


No - before Hogan was encouraged to try wrestling, he was a bass player in Florida. Not spreading Hulkamania on jobsites everywhere - playing bass. Because five days of construction would break him and his physique.

Posted by: The White Devil at August 21, 2019 08:02 PM (P4GTk)

502 >>> The Danes are a pimple on Europe. They're barely Scandi.

Don't make me blood-eagle you.

Posted by: fluffy: 1/4 Dane at August 21, 2019 08:03 PM (dCRRg)

503 Just found a web page that has a list of the mothers of all the Sultans, claiming ancestry from Greece, Poland, Venice, Russia, and France.

While I haven't verified any of it, they say that the last "Turkish" Sultan was actually of only 0.195% Turkic ancestry by blood.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 21, 2019 08:03 PM (cB5if)

504 Actually they refer to those types of neighborhoods as up and coming, they also refer to people, usually white surburban kids going into historically POC neighborhoods as, pioneers.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 21, 2019 07:59 PM (Cn5ck)


Think back to what the ORIGINAL meaning of "yuppie" was ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 21, 2019 08:03 PM (EcqY2)

505 Cheeseburger? Neither. Cheeseburger, pack of hohos, fries, a coke, some popcorn, and 2 oranges? Both of them.

Posted by: dagny at August 21, 2019 08:05 PM (nRWPy)

506 and very best wishes, Fen.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of hoboken at August 21, 2019 08:05 PM (ZqRa6)

507 the NYT has already said that racism is their go to story to rally against Trump until the 2020 election. Expect a never ending heaping helping of this until then.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 21, 2019 08:06 PM (r+sAi)

508 They could grow grapes in Vinland thus it's name.


Vinland wasn't Greenland, it was somewhere in the New World.

It was south of Lettland (land of stones), and Markland (land of woods.)

Anywhere from Labrador to Cape Cod in various conjectures.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 08:06 PM (fuK7c)

509 also Harvard: the institution where nutritionist = climatologist.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 21, 2019 08:07 PM (r+sAi)

510 And yours truly.

Posted by: SMH at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (RU4sa)


👍



Posted by: Billy Cole at August 21, 2019 08:09 PM (tyEy7)

511 in my instant analysis, the peak move toward "equality" in blacks took a turn in the 60s, then with LBJs "I'll have those n**s voting Dem for 100 years" moved them into 'special rights forever' status.


There are realities of differences in race, even if much of it is cultural. That can't be addressed with BS like disparate impact or minority preference forever. (especially when not only blacks up from slavery, but each and every imagined "minority" is made into a victim of white supremacy.


The partisan identity politics is the weapon of the globalist anti-Americans ... whether DeepState or oligarchs or China infiltration. United we stand. They hate that.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2019 08:10 PM (Cus5s)

512 dagny, Thanks for the reply.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 21, 2019 08:10 PM (TIDT7)

513 I love when these liberal nincompoops write about American slavery. They are so arrogant that they can't even acknowledge that it was started by the French and English (in America) but that wouldn't be incriminating enough against Thomas Jefferson. They can't acknowledge that other cultures have had slavery long before and long after Americans history of slavery. The earliest forms of written history include accounts of slavery.
but no, it was fueled by sugar, and therefore my Mountain Dew Code Red is racist or something

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 21, 2019 08:10 PM (h1jJh)

514
This whole Progtard attitude that 3rd Worlders need to remain starving, diseased, bags o'parasites-

is what fuels mass killers like the El Paso and New Zealand shooters.

They aren't White Supremacists.

They are Gaia-Supremacists. They are Progressives who believe in silly, unscientific shit like Global Warming. And hence, 3rd Worlds must die early to keep Mother Gaia happy.

Once again, the Left sucks the wax tadpole.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 21, 2019 08:10 PM (mIQCW)

515 And yours truly.
Posted by: SMH at August 21, 2019 07:53 PM (RU4sa)


Ah, but you would be exceptional no matter what!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at August 21, 2019 08:12 PM (BiNEL)

516 484 Women don't body shame other women, if anything it's for being fit.


We're going to have to agree to disagree. Watch a beautiful woman walk past a group of average looking women at a club and then listen in on the next few seconds of the group's conversation. Alternatively, watch a dumpy fat woman walk past a bunch of high school girls and listen to the group's next few seconds.
Women can be extremely vicious about other women's appearances.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2019 08:00 PM (9t0Zz)

Real world vs social media/entertainment world.

Posted by: spirit cookers at August 21, 2019 08:12 PM (QwmrN)

517 Slavery. Yawn.

Posted by: nip at August 21, 2019 08:15 PM (RXwUQ)

518 The partisan identity politics is the weapon of the globalist anti-Americans ... whether DeepState or oligarchs or China infiltration. United we stand. They hate that.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 21, 2019 08:10 PM (Cus5s)


I think that we might be one of, if not the most, racially diverse functional societies in history, even with a somewhat checkered past. The real problem for the globalists is that we Americans (for the most part) really tend to view each individual as an individual. Then the Democrats and race hustlers figured out there were votes to be had and money to made by exploiting race, and here we are!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at August 21, 2019 08:19 PM (BiNEL)

519 I have a theory that the bulk of people who were taken as slaves and sold to the white people on the coast of Africa were undesirable types. The folks that tribes wanted to get rid of, the stupid, the criminal, the violent, the insane, the troublemakers. I mean, why get rid of the good ones? Sell that batch of scumbags to the crackers and we'll get rid of them!

I don't have any evidence supporting this, just a knowledge of human nature.

Now genetics are not destiny, but they do play a part. The same batch of slave generations gave us Booker T Washington and Denzel Washington, its not a direct certain line. But I mean... it probably does play a part.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 21, 2019 07:50 PM (KZzsI)

You should read Sowells Black Rednecks/White Liberals. He makes a good case that the traits we call endemic to Blacks as a race or culture where borrowed wholesale from the white Crackers they lived with as slaves, which they brought from England where there were no slaves at all.

Free blacks that lived in the North tended to lose these traits and were accepted by whites there until migration from the south reintroduced large numbers of unassimilated blacks into northern cities.

Also, of course, *white* southerners with those same characters were just about as unwanted and discriminated against as the blacks.

Ironically, as the white South has more or less lost the attitudes wholesale, the blacks in the inner cities has been shielded from assimilation by white liberals and black leaders.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 21, 2019 08:33 PM (FTPn0)

520 They could grow grapes in Vinland thus it's name.


Vinland wasn't Greenland, it was somewhere in the New World.

It was south of Lettland (land of stones), and Markland (land of woods.)

Anywhere from Labrador to Cape Cod in various conjectures.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 21, 2019 08:06 PM (fuK7c)

Like the land speculators who called Greenland 'Green' even when it was somewhat warmer than now, the Vikings surely knew how to lie and talk up a plot of land they wanted to sell to some rube.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 21, 2019 08:35 PM (FTPn0)

521 Human bodies aren't a bunsen burner, they do all kinds of other things with the food and energy besides burn and store.


I'm sure that entire villages could live on the calories remaining in my dung. Certainly bacteria do.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 21, 2019 08:55 PM (yQpMk)

522 The Economist used to be a good magazine, but over the past decade they have gone COMPLETELY off the rails. Their U.S. section has long been unreadable.

If you read their editorial page you realize quickly how they work so hard to be at cross purposes with each other and how much they work to contradict themselves. (Example: The Economist HATES private gun ownership. But at the exact same time, they despise American law enforcement as too violent.) And they fall head over heels for all the Leftist/Statist fads. (Being gay is the most important thing in the world to them, for instance.) The one thing I will grant them is that they are very naked about where they stand on different topics. And I do like their international coverage. Beyond that, no thanks.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 21, 2019 09:13 PM (WDnN1)

523 "The real problem for the globalists is that we Americans (for the most part) really tend to view each individual as an individual."

First, a globalist is nothing more than a person with a valid passport, especially if it has visas.

Second, since when do Americans view each other as individuals? We cannot stop classifying each other into groups. Upper-class, middle-class, the poor, Millennials (my favorite), Gen X, Gen Y, Gen Z, The Greatest Generation (implicit in that label is "a Great America is in the past, we'll never get there again, and we shoudn't try"), not to mention all the other divisions based on race, color, creed. I would be SO HAPPY if this society regarded everyone as individuals. But we don't. The Left sees to that and the Right meekly plays along by using their language.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 21, 2019 09:18 PM (WDnN1)

524 90 Sugar is in everything making us obese as a society. So I would shed no tears if Big Sugar were taken down.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at August 21, 2019 07:01 PM (X6Rqi)

It's easier than working out and taking care of yourself, I guess. Always blame others.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 21, 2019 09:23 PM (WDnN1)

525 I use artificial sweeteners. I actually prefer their taste to sugar. No sour thick aftertaste, no dental pain. I do feel very sorry for the saccharin-harvesting slaves, I admit.

Posted by: gp at August 21, 2019 09:35 PM (mk9aG)

526 The poor have a duty to die young so that the rich can enjoy their private jets.

Posted by: Bob at August 22, 2019 01:09 AM (fVGlW)

527 So 1619 has crept from the primordial swamp, outed and touted, its number is up. Cabeza de Vaca 1527 enslaved by a merry indianz over and over on his way west has lost his mojo, his number not so prime.

I also learned today that too much sugar, through its testoserone reducing properties, was the prime cause in curing of my manic onanism. Praise be to sugar.

Thank you all for the insight.

Posted by: FundMe for sucks fake at August 22, 2019 07:12 AM (h9M8R)

528 Last.

Oh well we all have to start somewhere

Posted by: FundMe for sucks fake at August 22, 2019 06:09 PM (h9M8R)

529 The poor are eating more meat because they can get it better and insuring their survival and if the Nit-Wits for The Economist don't like it then they can just Go Pound Sand

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 23, 2019 09:43 AM (FLiOE)

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Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat