The New York Times' Dean Baquet Admits: When Our Russia Collusion Storyline Collapsed in a Pile of Failure and Mueller, We Just Juiced Up Our New White Supremacist Collusion Storyline

Julie Kelly at American Greatness reports on the admission not heard 'round the media world.

Or at least -- heard, but then not reported.

Pivoting to the failed effort to prove that the Trump campaign conspired with the Russians to sway the 2016 election, Dean Baquet confessed his news organization trafficked the collusion drug until it lost its potency.

"The day Bob Mueller walked off that witness stand, two things happened. Our readers who want Donald Trump to go away suddenly thought, 'Holy shit, Bob Mueller is not going to do it.' And Donald Trump got a little emboldened politically, I think," Baquet said during a "crisis town hall meeting" at the papers headquarters last week.

"And I think that the story changed," he added. "A lot of the stuff we're talking about started to emerge like six or seven weeks ago. We're a little tiny bit flat-footed. I mean, that's what happens when a story looks a certain way for two years. Right?"

Kelly analogizes the Times, and the media generally, as drug-dealers selling a cocktail of hatred and conspiracy, keeping its users dissociated from reality for a full three year Lost Weekend.

But now that the first cocktail has lost its potency, they've quickly cooked up a new one.

Then came the crash.

Not only did Team Mueller fail to find proof of collusion, the deified prosecutor turned in an abysmal performance before Congress last month. The daily supply of Russian collusion dope dried up, but Trump-hating addicts don't need rehab just yet: The Times is stocking up another toxic potion--white supremacy--to poison the body politic and cure any collusion withdrawal symptoms.

Folks like Baquet can only be held partially responsible: There is no supply if there's no demand. The Times' readers demand that their Trump-hating addiction is satisfied every day--the Times is just doing what any corner-hustling dealer would do to delay their customers' sobriety.

Read the whole thing. It's a good one.

Also, read the column she wrote on this subject -- cooking up the White Supremacy drug to replace the Russia Collusion drug -- last week, before Dean Baquet did her the favor of confirming everything she said.

Also note that she was one of the only people in conservative (or "conservative") media to call out the sudden fabrication of a new Moral Panic storyline when others in the "conservative" media, such as Rich Lowry and the National Review, were all too happy to agree with their leftist twitter pals and enjoy the Liberal Approval which they crave so much.

Sort of like another drug.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:03 PM




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1 The truth doesn't sell papers.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:04 PM (T6t7i)

2 Top 10? WHOOHOO!!

The NYT sucks.

Posted by: charlotte the sailor at August 20, 2019 01:05 PM (/rsCS)

3

Kelly analogizes the Times, and the media generally, as drug-dealers
selling a cocktail of hatred and conspiracy, keeping its users
dissociated from reality for a full three year Lost Weekend.

But now that the first cocktail has lost its potency, they've quickly cooked up a new one.





That's an excellent analogy.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:05 PM (T6t7i)

4 Such a revealing company meeting.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 01:06 PM (bDqIh)

5 Of course and oh,LOL get fucked

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2019 01:06 PM (l9mVC)

6 I know that Slate 'lightly edited' the transcript, but I can't help but think that there were worst things that Dean said that were left on the cutting room floor.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 20, 2019 01:06 PM (ldbq/)

7 Not first. **tears welling up**

Posted by: Hands at August 20, 2019 01:06 PM (786Ro)

8 Hard to believe they are so blatant about this.

Apparently, the news no longer consists of the actual facts.
This has, of course, been true for a long time.

They must really think their readers are dolts.

Posted by: charlotte the sailor at August 20, 2019 01:06 PM (/rsCS)

9 >>"And I think that the story changed," he added. "A lot of the stuff we're talking about started to emerge like six or seven weeks ago. We're a little tiny bit flat-footed. I mean, that's what happens when a story looks a certain way for two years. Right?"

Well for those of us who aren't willfully ignorant the "story" changed about 2 years ago.

Nice to see the Paper of Record finally catching up.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:07 PM (ZLI7S)

10
1619 / 88 = Hitler!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 20, 2019 01:07 PM (zBaqJ)

11

Now they're going for "Project 1619."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 20, 2019 01:07 PM (aKsyK)

12 They must really think their readers are dolts.

Posted by: charlotte the sailor


Ummmm.....

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:07 PM (T6t7i)

13 Their reign at the top is officially over.

Posted by: Caliban at August 20, 2019 01:07 PM (QE8X6)

14 what any corner-hustling dealer would do to delay their customers' sobriety"

Salting the beer?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:07 PM (6qErC)

15 11

Now they're going for "Project 1619."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 20, 2019 01:07 PM (aKsyK)



Now if a 6, turned out to be 9...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 20, 2019 01:08 PM (zBaqJ)

16 Now if a 6, turned out to be 9...

And they love each other very much....

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:08 PM (T6t7i)

17 Our Russia Collusion Storyline Collapsed in a Pile of Failure and Mueller

A long soak in a warm sitz bath should soothe those piles, NYT.

Posted by: Hands at August 20, 2019 01:08 PM (786Ro)

18 Basically, the NYT and WaPo gave up all pretense of journalism the day after the Donald was elected. It's all Pravda and Izvestia now, all the time.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 01:08 PM (RD7QR)

19 They must really think"

Hmm.

Identified the problem, you have...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:08 PM (6qErC)

20 Now if a 6, turned out to be 9... "

25 or 6 to 4?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:09 PM (6qErC)

21 I've never heard drug dealers blame their customers for their drug dealing. But maybe I don't know enough drug dealers.

Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:09 PM (tJ655)

22 What happens when this raysiss crap ends up in flames?

Posted by: henry at August 20, 2019 01:09 PM (JMDly)

23 One more hit, man, just one more. Then I'm going to rehab.

Posted by: NYT readers at August 20, 2019 01:09 PM (T6t7i)

24 You know, I really hate these people.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 01:10 PM (NWiLs)

25 HAHAHAHA!

Yes, think is not the correct word....oops....

Posted by: charlotte the sailor at August 20, 2019 01:10 PM (/rsCS)

26 We're a little tiny bit flat-footed. I mean, that's what happens when a story looks a certain way for two years. Right?"


FFS. They've been gaslighting themselves.

Posted by: Hands at August 20, 2019 01:10 PM (786Ro)

27 1 The truth doesn't sell papers.


Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:04 PM (T6t7i)


Neither does the NYT. Oh!!!!!!

Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:10 PM (tJ655)

28 21
I've never heard drug dealers blame their customers for their drug dealing. But maybe I don't know enough drug dealers.


Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:09 PM (tJ655)

Central America blames the US consumer all the time.

Posted by: henry at August 20, 2019 01:11 PM (JMDly)

29 22
What happens when this raysiss crap ends up in flames?


Posted by: henry


The problem is that it's not something amenable to complete repudiation, the way the Russia hoax was. There was racism, and slaves did do SOME of the work building the nation. That's all they need to ride this hobbyhorse indefinitely.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:11 PM (T6t7i)

30 We're a little tiny bit flat-footed."

Dr. Scholl's has the support you need...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:11 PM (6qErC)

31 Now they're going for "Project 1619."


They are. And it will work. I regret to report that my black friends think it's dreamy and progressive.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:12 PM (fuK7c)

32 22 What happens when this raysiss crap ends up in flames?

Posted by: henry at August 20, 2019 01:09 PM (JMDly)


Authoritarians move in "for our own good".

Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:12 PM (tJ655)

33
Neither first nor last!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 20, 2019 01:12 PM (pNxlR)

34 We're a little tiny bit flat-footed.

Bozo the Clown was less flat-footed.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:12 PM (T6t7i)

35 11

Now they're going for "Project 1619."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 20, 2019 01:07 PM (aKsyK)

Oh, right, America is irredeemably racist and was since the beginning. Their readers will lap it up and it will get scooped up by the education establishment as the Truth with a capital T. It doesn't matter how few readers they have left if the readers remaining have so much influence. (Plus the WaPo will pick up the ball on this too since they and NYT are now fellow horses in the media troika.)

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 01:12 PM (RD7QR)

36 And it will work"

Like the other 1619 projects have?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:13 PM (6qErC)

37 My White Supremacy is on fire.

My fire is on White Supremacy.

Posted by: eleven at August 20, 2019 01:14 PM (tH5fk)

38 Recession is the new drug on the streets. They been pushing this recession fears lately.

Posted by: dantesed at August 20, 2019 01:14 PM (88xKn)

39 The "1618 Project" is subtitled (it's right there on page one!) "More How You Got Trump"

By, Dean Baquet and the staff of the New York Times

Posted by: Huck Follywood, dog hikest at August 20, 2019 01:14 PM (LISuA)

40 White supremacy my ass

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 01:14 PM (NWiLs)

41 Confirmation bias is the comfort food they crave.

"Yes, we are smart, we are good. We didn't lose, Trump cheated us, yes he did. Orange Man is Bad. He stole our precious and we hates Thief Baggins - I mean, Thief Trump - forever!"

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Official Distributor for the Old Appalachian Wrath Shop at August 20, 2019 01:14 PM (hLRSq)

42

"Democracy dies in darkness"--Wapo.

"Journalism dies at the Times"---me.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 20, 2019 01:15 PM (KATBx)

43 Newspaper journalists are just hollywood screen writers who aren't good enough at creating likable characters.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 01:15 PM (KUaJL)

44 Get Whitey!

Wasn't that a great John Travolta flick?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at August 20, 2019 01:15 PM (BiNEL)

45 Before they talked about Russi as all the time, they talked about Stormy Daniels and creepy prn lawyer. Remember them?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 20, 2019 01:15 PM (XEuGl)

46 America is irredeemably racist and was since the beginning"

Wait a sec... here I thought Great Britain allowed slavery. Was there some other nation in the area in 1619?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:15 PM (6qErC)

47 I mean, that's what happens when a story looks a certain way for two years.

It only looked that way to those of you who wanted it to look that way, turdball.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 20, 2019 01:15 PM (O8WFE)

48 This is akin to pushing grandma over the cliff, except it's Democrat Activists With Bylines murdering the New York Times.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, dog hikest at August 20, 2019 01:15 PM (LISuA)

49 Was there some other nation in the area in 1619?
Spain, Holland, France

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:16 PM (T6t7i)

50 Project 1619.

Sounds like that Jap unit that experimented on humans during the war.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 20, 2019 01:16 PM (Z+IKu)

51 Recession is the new drug on the streets"

Just can't seem to quit trying the race card, tho.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:16 PM (6qErC)

52

And then their white supremacist hoax failed they moved on to the fake recession hoax.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 20, 2019 01:16 PM (bNaFO)

53 "And I think that the story changed," (Dean Baquet of the NY Times) added. "A lot of the stuff we're talking about started to emerge like six or seven weeks ago. We're a little tiny bit flat-footed. I mean, that's what happens when a story looks a certain way for two years. Right?"

Folks, he is, right there, directly admitting they are the anti-Trump propaganda outlet. They're not "news". They're not even "information". They are flat-out, undeniably, on-record as being "Get OrangeMan", always, all the time. Nothing more or less.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:16 PM (77WPm)

54
There's a sort of wisdom to this foolery.

They failed on the Mueller/collusion story because it was provably false.

Racism? That's the great, irrefutable charge, like child molestation. To deny it is to confess.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 20, 2019 01:16 PM (dstcr)

55 Spain, Holland, France"

In the British colony of Virginia...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:17 PM (6qErC)

56 If RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA turned out a steaming pile of failure, Project 1619 probably will too. If we're sticking to the drug analogy, I don't think NYT's junkies (readers) will get the same high from 1619 that they got from RUSSIAN COLLUSION.

Of course, that doesn't mean it won't wreak some damage along the way. Damage is one of the few things Progressives are good at.

Posted by: Hands at August 20, 2019 01:17 PM (786Ro)

57
Project 1619.

Sounds like that Jap unit that experimented on humans during the war.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy


It's across the street from Area 51.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 20, 2019 01:17 PM (aKsyK)

58 I think it's time to buy more ammo


and a flamethrower. I really want a flamethrower.

and maybe a tank.

Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:17 PM (d7Ww2)

59 "Our readers who want Donald Trump to go away suddenly thought, 'Holy shit, Bob Mueller is not going to do it.' ..."

75% want border control ... why can't the MFM "serve" those readers? Even if most NYT readers at this point are liberal loons, the real market is served by Ace, Breitbart, American Greatness, etc.


BigMoney and BigOligarchy is what is really being "served". Actually MFM is the weapon of the DeepState, which serves ? BigBank ... idk, they are all one operation, with some factions. Who can suck the most out of what is left of functional middle America ... that is the question in DC.


Buying ink by the barrel is now possible for everyone ... digital ink ... just need to evade the censors ... sheesh.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2019 01:18 PM (Cus5s)

60 Helloooooo nurse!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 01:18 PM (NWiLs)

61 Heh, I watched some panel on Millennial Journalism this morning. Mostly young people doing the internet reporting, some for traditional outlets. One of the moderators was from Buzzfeed. Yeah. It was general stupidity all around, but they really do believe they are the Guardians of Truth and can't understand why people don't bow down before them. It was simultaneously laughable, sad and scary.

Then you hear this twat waffle basically saying, of course it is made up to spoon feed our audience, and we take their money for it. Then we move on and do it all over again, so what?

I'm not sure which is worse.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at August 20, 2019 01:18 PM (jp0Bv)

62 "They must really think their readers are dolts.

Posted by: charlotte the sailor at August 20, 2019 01:06 PM (/rsCS)
"



Sadly, every day's sales of their fishwrap confirms this.

We need to drive them so far into bankruptcy that the steaming pile of what's left will be unsalable even for a dollar.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 20, 2019 01:19 PM (XNDy+)

63 55
Spain, Holland, France"



In the British colony of Virginia...

Posted by: Anon a mouse



Holdout Vikings?

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:19 PM (T6t7i)

64 The NYT now posits that the founders fought the revolution to preserve slavery. Yes, they're that dumb.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 20, 2019 01:19 PM (kTF2Z)

65 "And I think that the story changed," he added. "A lot of the stuff we're talking about started to emerge like six or seven weeks ago. We're a little tiny bit flat-footed. I mean, that's what happens when a story looks a certain way for two years. Right?"

LOL.

The Russian Collusion story looked like made-up democratic bullshit since the very first day Shrillary, or whoever it was, trotted out the accusation during the campaign. Then Barky tried to go to a hot war with Russia over Syria (as if anyone actually gave a shit how Syrians killed each other) just to add flavor to the ruse.

What changed was after Trump won and the Russian Collusion tale graduated to a full-blown coup attempt ... which I am still waiting for ANYONE to actually be held fully liable for. ANYONE.

"Flat-footed" ... LOL. The New York Slimes has been caught flat-brained. Lucky for them their leftist customers don't care and are even dumber than they are, anyway.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 01:19 PM (k4bRG)

66 Yeah, that 8-11 close-door meeting was a humdinger. Baquet also boasted "We won two Pulitzers for our coverage". Coverage of a hoax that the NYT to this day won't admit was a hoax, because if they did, they might "sense" an obligation to investigate how they were so thoroughly bamboozled. And they can't have that. The NYT solution? MOR POISON!

Posted by: mrp at August 20, 2019 01:19 PM (Pqytn)

67 58 I think it's time to buy more ammo


and a flamethrower. I really want a flamethrower.

and maybe a tank.
Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:17 PM (d7Ww2)

A flamethrower tank. Driven by a gator. With a full complement of anti-personnel rounds. The tank, not the gator.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 01:19 PM (RD7QR)

68 you know, it's just the New York Times.

That scandal sheet subsidized by the Mexican Telecom Billionaire.

All the BS that fits in our paper.

What still astounds me is the people "on the Right" like Rich Lowery that have so betrayed the people he espouses to agree with.
Buckley must be spinning in his grave.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at August 20, 2019 01:19 PM (vcOmj)

69 One of the biggest pushers of the white supremacy scourge sweeping the nation is Ben "Squirts" Shapiro.


Any time he opens his yap he starts saying he's been the most attacked person on the right by "White Supremacists!!!"


And again, there is no significant white supremacist movement in the US.


It doesn't exist culturally.

It doesn't exist institutionally.

It doesn't exist politically.


It only exists as shit posters on the internet and false flag operations conducted by Dem operatives.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 20, 2019 01:20 PM (88mwq)

70 46 America is irredeemably racist and was since the beginning"

Wait a sec... here I thought Great Britain allowed slavery. Was there some other nation in the area in 1619?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:15 PM (6qErC)

ENOUGH WITH YOUR FACTS AND LOGIC!

Posted by: The NYT's readers at August 20, 2019 01:20 PM (RD7QR)

71 A flamethrower tank. Driven by a gator. With a full complement of anti-personnel rounds. The tank, not the gator.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 01:19 PM (RD7QR)

And sharks. With frikkin laser beams on their heads.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 01:20 PM (NWiLs)

72 Hi Insom!

I miss you.

Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:20 PM (d7Ww2)

73 Dear Editor:

I agree with your hypothesis that racism runs through the DNA of our country. The Democrat party has been identified as the father through the historical paternity test. Democrats: The deadbeat father of American tribalism.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 20, 2019 01:21 PM (saVN7)

74 Buckley must be spinning in his grave.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at August 20, 2019 01:19 PM (vcOmj)

(types)
(ponders - revive the "WFB tosses the Birchers under the bus" argument)(decides against it)(deletes)

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:21 PM (77WPm)

75 72 Hi Insom!

I miss you.
Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:20 PM (d7Ww2)

Miss you too. *sad poignant face*

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 01:21 PM (NWiLs)

76 New York Times: Trump and all his supporters are Russian stooges, racist, sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes, etc.

Also New York Times: Trump supporters should vote for our candidate instead!

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:21 PM (ZLI7S)

77
What happens when this raysiss crap ends up in flames?
Posted by: henry

======

I don't think it will end in flames. I think it will dominate successfully and be added to core curricula across the nation for the next two years. I won't be surprised if the 1619 Project is incorporated word for word into some high school and college history courses.

That is, UNLESS one of our #TwoWeeks projects actually comes to fruition. At that point, we're back into provably true/false territory as with the Mueller/collusion story, and it just might be too big to ignore.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 20, 2019 01:22 PM (dstcr)

78 The truth doesn't sell papers.


Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:04 PM (T6t7i)

I don't think anything really "sells papers" anymore. Journalism is a complete joke now and it is all about using influence to help your side win. There is a reason why lefty media puts something on the web and gets tons of retweets while conservative responses get little play. There is a reason no one watches SNL but when they do something political, it is always trending on youtube.
There is a a reason why corporations are cowed and forced left by the twitter mob. All of this is pre planned by what Obama called, "the professional left". No one really buys a paper now to learn about some important news. It is all about arguing for your side and controlling the narrative. The left has a built in advantage on the net just like they do with media in general, academia, and popular culture.

Yes, they are destroying their credibility, but there is no doubt what they are doing is working. They are dumb, but not stupid. Their incessant attacks are working. I am not saying they are going to work, but they are working. They traded their credibility and professionalism for a few points in the next election. Just ask the soccer moms.

Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 01:22 PM (n13/j)

79 I remember a time when I subscribed to the Sunday edition of the NYT.

oh well.

Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:22 PM (d7Ww2)

80 ENOUGH WITH YOUR FACTS AND LOGIC!"

You wanna new drug?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:22 PM (6qErC)

81 Racism? That's the great, irrefutable charge, like child molestation. To deny it is to confess.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia


Yes, that is true. But it will make some people in this country virulently hate the NY Times.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at August 20, 2019 01:23 PM (vcOmj)

82 In memory of the biggest fucking back stabber of my lifetime. LOLGF.
https://tinyurl.com/y5ss2n7s

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 01:23 PM (7jTtI)

83 Collapsed in a Pile of Failure and Mueller
.........

Why on earth did I read that as "Manure"?

Posted by: wth at August 20, 2019 01:23 PM (v0R5T)

84 Posted by: DocJ"

Yep

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:23 PM (6qErC)

85 Hi Insom!

I miss you.
Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:20 PM (d7Ww2)

Miss you too. *sad poignant face*
Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 01:21 PM (NWiLs)

---------

*treacle emergency*

*prepares insulin autoinjector*

JKLOL

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 01:23 PM (eGEVz)

86 There have been more things than I can count that the left has maliciously and falsely accused me of being, simply because of my demographic classification. This "white supremacy/white nationalism" think has pegged my pissed-off meter. They keep this shit up and things are gonna get really ugly. Don't want that at all and hope it can be peacefully resolved, but if you keep poking a tiger in the eye with a stick, all bets are off.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 20, 2019 01:24 PM (vtcmf)

87 RECESSION!!!

Posted by: New Pork Times at August 20, 2019 01:24 PM (v0R5T)

88 The media and Democrats are busy trying to pick a fight with the most successful and powerful minority the Earth has known, the Western White Man.

Virtually everything they do, everything they say, attacks them in some manner.

Every single major policy position, has for a couple of generations been anti White Man, but at least it was 'hidden' by saying they were 'helping' some minority group.

Now, they are EXPLICITY going after them. They are trying to use the power of Government to silence the very minority which BUILT this country.

They are forcing us to chose sides. Its not going to end well.

Posted by: Don Q at August 20, 2019 01:24 PM (NgKpN)

89 Since the media all say precisely the same thing why don't they fold into one single outlet.
It would save a lot of money.

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at August 20, 2019 01:24 PM (II6Oo)

90
New York Times: Trump and all his supporters are Russian stooges, racist, sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes, etc.



Also New York Times: Trump supporters should vote for our candidate instead!

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:21 PM (ZLI7S)

they are offering salvation and some will take it. They are offering a chance to get bulldozed last. Better to be a former Trump voter than a two timer.

Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 01:24 PM (n13/j)

91 I don't think anything really "sells papers" anymore.

The free local.paper works just as well to get kindling going.

Posted by: Jean at August 20, 2019 01:25 PM (uyba+)

92 Personal attacks on Trump haven't worked, so the new attack will be on Trump supporters for being racist white supremacists

With more than a year to go, this can very ugly, with doxing, boycotting and physical attacks

There's your civil war, right there

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 20, 2019 01:25 PM (+aaIl)

93 And again, there is no significant white supremacist movement in the US.


It doesn't exist culturally.

It doesn't exist institutionally.

It doesn't exist politically.


It only exists as shit posters on the internet and false flag operations conducted by Dem operatives.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 20, 2019 01:20 PM (88mwq)


They've got test scores and tons of empirical evidence to run with, though.

That's why leftists had to come up with their asinine "disparate impact" crap. Funny ... it was the left who framed laws and rules SPECIFICALLY to have disparate impact when some of their race-based ideas were rejected for being too embarrassing for even the SCOTUS to sign off on ... so they rewrote them without race but with enough specific conditions that they would pretty much only affect the race they originally wanted. And then, in typical leftist fashion, they turn around and try to make the concept of "disparate impact" illegal (where you have fair, standardized tests that people test very differently on) in order to further pushy bullshit race-based affirmative action crap through. This is the left. It's them or civilization.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 01:25 PM (k4bRG)

94 The bias part of the story is no surprise, but I am quite surprised that the NY Times staff actually seems to have believed the Russia story they were peddling. Pretty funny coming from Walter Duranty's paper.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at August 20, 2019 01:25 PM (N4xQB)

95 It doesn't help that so, so many on (nominally) "our side" conflate White Nationalism with White Supremacy.

They have nothing - zero, zilch, nada - to do with each other.

So please stop fucking doing it. Please.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (77WPm)

96 I really want a flamethrower.

and maybe a tank.
Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:17 PM


Well, Insom, now you know what to get nurse for her birthday.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (ejd/p)

97 Interesting in that every starbucks I enter, the NYT is the most Un-sold in the newspaper stack.
Interesting...and satisfying.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (yhYmR)

98 I don't think anything really "sells papers" anymore"

The only thing that ever "sold" papers was creating tales. The progressives of the early 20th century successfully packaged the "media " bravo Sierra...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (6qErC)

99 Jean
Yep. And the parakeet can shit on any paper you choose.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (7jTtI)

100 Masks are off, objectivity and reporting facts is NOT the goal. Its as stupid as the CEOs changing the focus from shareholders to 'stake' holders. The public, the environment, AND the shareholders.

Posted by: zeera Moron Author at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (T9rmq)

101 The title of the next James Bond movie has been revealed. "No Time to Die"

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (N4xQB)

102 Russia, Trump's crazy, Trump's a racist - they're working with a very short playbook. I haven't seen them run the "War on Women" play in a while, though.

Posted by: josephistan at August 20, 2019 01:27 PM (Izzlo)

103 ""We won two Pulitzers for our coverage"

those are PoliticalFiction Awards. Whoever can create the most damaging commie meme and make it do the most damage to FreeAmerica ... "you win a prize".

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2019 01:27 PM (Cus5s)

104 They are forcing us to chose sides. Its not going to end well.
Posted by: Don Q



They won't like the side that gets picked.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 01:27 PM (3oX+R)

105 101 The title of the next James Bond movie has been revealed. "No Time to Die"
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter

my autobiography

Posted by: RBG at August 20, 2019 01:27 PM (FZYNt)

106 I don't think anything really "sells papers" anymore"

The only thing that ever "sold" papers was creating tales. The progressives of the early 20th century successfully packaged the "media " bravo Sierra...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (6qErC)


I used to buy the New York Times just for the crossword. For years.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 01:27 PM (k4bRG)

107
The NYT now posits that the founders fought the revolution to preserve slavery. Yes, they're that dumb.
Posted by: Duke Lowell


If we had not had slavery would we be more advanced today or more backward? Would we be riding horses or would we have flying cars?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 20, 2019 01:27 PM (aKsyK)

108
NY Times: *puts blinkers on*
*writes story*
*reads story*
"My, thinks certainly look a certain way."

Truth: *mugs NY Times*

NY Times: "Well, it didn't look that way!"

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 20, 2019 01:27 PM (dstcr)

109
The only thing that ever "sold" papers was creating tales. The
progressives of the early 20th century successfully packaged the "media "
bravo Sierra...


Well....

Posted by: Page 3, The Sun at August 20, 2019 01:28 PM (T6t7i)

110 NYT is (a) fraud. I don't think we are done with finding out real interesting stuff. Glad I live upwind.

Posted by: klaftern at August 20, 2019 01:28 PM (RuIsu)

111 haven't seen them run the "War on Women" play in a while, though."

That was the Stormy play... kinda got derailed, tho.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:28 PM (6qErC)

112 Interesting in that every starbucks I enter, the NYT is the most Un-sold in the newspaper stack.
Interesting...and satisfying.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM


The annoying millennials are more interested in the local "alternative" weekly.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 20, 2019 01:28 PM (ejd/p)

113 Does the NYT realize that when regular people read the words that Banquet says, they immediately understand that the Times just admitted to cooking the story with a heapin helpin of left wing bias, and that upon sampling it, they found it tastes like shit and their solution is more left wing bias?


Can they not even comprehend the words that come out of their own mouths?


AND THEN HE BRAGGED ABOUT THE TWO BS PULITZERS! We were utterly wring but we got these shiny participation trophies!

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at August 20, 2019 01:29 PM (ymnmz)

114 If we could just get the blue dog democrats to turn on the insanity of the progressive left and not feel guilty about it, we will win for the forseeable future.

Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:29 PM (d7Ww2)

115 White man = Western Civilization
Global redistributionist collectivists have to destroy western civ to succeed.

Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 01:29 PM (nRWPy)

116 I have a dream. That one day I will wake up and there will be no more NY Times. Or better yet, it will have been purchased by a conservative.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:29 PM (H8QX8)

117 If we had not had slavery"

Who's "we", kimosabe?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:29 PM (6qErC)

118 They aren't serving their audience. I am fairly certain they are paid advocacy. Their sponsors are very tone deaf and strange to American thinking.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 20, 2019 01:29 PM (XEuGl)

119 BrunoBarking @Bruno062418

Guiliani Epstein death
It's 'mind-boggling' and IMPOSSIBLE

Rudy claims we'll know what REALLY happened "in a few weeks"

Likened it to the Half Moon Hotel "jump" by a similar 'canary' who was about to testify against baddies?

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (BqBId)

120 The recent spate of economic gloom and doom stories is another repulsive trend in the leftosphere of late. My boss ate it up hook line and sinker last week, can't believe the man is a millionaire.




Posted by: dananjcon at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (u6xw0)

121 NYT headline: Trump's Racist Republican Recession

Posted by: Huck Follywood, dog hikest at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (LISuA)

122 I, personnally, revel in my whiteness and love of nation. I must be a NAZI. Imagine being proud of inventing the ENTIRE FUCKING MODERN WORLD?

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (2LelM)

123 The title of the next James Bond movie has been revealed. "No Time to Die"

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (N4xQB)
.........

That the one with the butt ugly chick as 007?
Time for the franchise to die.

Posted by: wth at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (v0R5T)

124 "We're a little tiny bit flat-footed. I mean, that's what happens when a story looks a certain way for two years. Right?"

Some people wrote something.

Posted by: Splunge at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (ed8K1)

125
The title of the next James Bond movie has been revealed. "No Time to Die" "Whitefinger"


Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (N4xQB)



Posted by: naturalfake at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (SHtRW)

126 >>I don't think anything really "sells papers" anymore"

>>The only thing that ever "sold" papers was creating tales. The progressives of the early 20th century successfully packaged the "media " bravo Sierra...

The Epoch Times, which has been by far the best organization reporting on the facts of the Russia collusion scam, is growing very fast.

It turns out there really is a market for truth.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (ZLI7S)

127 The media and Democrats are busy trying to pick a fight with the most successful and powerful minority the Earth has known, the Western White Man.

Jesus. Try thinking that and not saying it out loud. The minute you start attributing all of civilization's glories to the White Man -- and especially when you capitalize it -- you're an asshole.

Successful western values are open to everyone and have been advanced by every race. It's the values.

And I can probably find a way to be more white than you and look down on you for it, but I won't because that's stupid.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (fuK7c)

128 76 New York Times: Trump and all his supporters are Russian stooges, racist, sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes, etc.

Also New York Times: Trump supporters should vote for our candidate instead!
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:21 PM (ZLI7S)

"Or we'll send MS-13 to kill you."

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (sm6Pk)

129 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)

130 Posted by: Page 3, The Sun"

That's how to sell papers...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (6qErC)

131 114 If we could just get the blue dog democrats...
Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:29 PM (d7Ww2)

Are there any of those left?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (H8QX8)

132 I'm not even sure why The NYT has reporting staff. I'm sure there is software that could serve just as well.

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (II6Oo)

133 It doesn't help that so, so many on (nominally) "our side" conflate White Nationalism with White Supremacy.

They have nothing - zero, zilch, nada - to do with each other.

So please stop fucking doing it. Please.


Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (77WPm)

I am not interested in either.

Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (n13/j)

134 "If we had not had slavery would we be more advanced today or more backward? Would we be riding horses or would we have flying cars? "

Maybe ask it another way.

If we had not cast off the morally reprehensible practice of Slavery which the British brought to our shores, after winning our independence, where would we be today as a nation?

And if slavery really brings unfair cultural advancement to the nations which practice it, why does the Middle East still suck ass?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:31 PM (cqNba)

135 Bad thing is, those that read it, believe it and don't care.

They're gone. 40% of American voters will never change.

And I think I'm being generous here.

Posted by: Sponge at August 20, 2019 01:31 PM (Zz0t1)

136 How does the NYT pick up a Pulitzer?



By the clean end!

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at August 20, 2019 01:31 PM (ymnmz)

137 All media is a scam. Some are just doing it for coin, some are true believers. But no one is a dispassionate observer.

Who wants to be that passive player when you can be a guiding force?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 20, 2019 01:32 PM (oVJmc)

138 The biggest victory over the last 4 years has been the public's realization that the media is not an impartial mouthpiece of God. They are fallible human beings at best, and more frequently, they use their position to push an agenda over the truth.

Now if only we can get the public to have the same realization about schools, universities, and government.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 01:32 PM (KUaJL)

139 89 Since the media all say precisely the same thing why don't they fold into one single outlet.
It would save a lot of money.
Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at August 20, 2019 01:24 PM (II6Oo)

They did. API and UPI. They all buy their stories from just a couple of sources.

Posted by: Don Q at August 20, 2019 01:32 PM (NgKpN)

140 The recent spate of economic gloom and doom stories is another repulsive trend in the leftosphere of late. My boss ate it up hook line and sinker last week, can't believe the man is a millionaire.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (u6xw0)


We are well overdue for the biggest monetary disaster in human history. Everybody knows this.

Trump is doing his best to outgrow the problem but I think that's pretty much impossible. The die was cast by 2012, basically. The piper will be paid at some point - and it is going to be uglier than anything anyone on Earth has ever seen.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (k4bRG)

141
COLLUSION!!!

STORMY DANIELS!!!

OBSTRUCTION!!


*shit*


WHITE NATIONALIST RACIST!!!

Posted by: THE CIRCLE OF LIFE at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (8XRCm)

142 Bandersnatch I wrote to you about Hollywood in post 252 of the Talib thread.

Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (tJ655)

143 135 Bad thing is, those that read it, believe it and don't care.

They're gone. 40% of American voters will never change.

And I think I'm being generous here.
Posted by: Sponge at August 20, 2019 01:31 PM (Zz0t1)

And even the ones there who don't believe it believe in Abortion, and will help push the lie in order to get more people to vote for the pro-Abortion side.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (sm6Pk)

144 "It turns out there really is a market for truth."

Who knew?

Posted by: The NYT at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (cqNba)

145 Laura Ingraham's 3 R's

Russian Collusion
Racist
Recession

That is what they're rolling with these days.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (vEIlU)

146 118 They aren't serving their audience. I am fairly certain they are paid advocacy. Their sponsors are very tone deaf and strange to American thinking.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 20, 2019 01:29 PM (XEuGl)

Yes, this is something that bears repeating. This is the Southern Hemisphere view of America. This is Carlos Slim talking through his mouthpiece.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (RD7QR)

147 They aren't serving their audience. I am fairly certain they are paid advocacy"

That is their audience.

It's not taught, but onced upon a time, papers would put their advocacy right on the masthead... "The Democrat Sun Times"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (6qErC)

148 - and it is going to be uglier than anything anyone on Earth has ever seen.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (k4bRG)

Uglier than Lena Dunham?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 01:34 PM (xfb67)

149 Every narrative the leftards come up with fails, simply they are lies that have no basis in reality and because TRUMP FIGHTS! The leftards are used to the GOPe who had rockers on their backs to facilitate easy rollover.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 01:34 PM (7jTtI)

150 >>Jesus. Try thinking that and not saying it out loud. The minute you start attributing all of civilization's glories to the White Man -- and especially when you capitalize it -- you're an asshole.

>>Successful western values are open to everyone and have been advanced by every race. It's the values.

But western values were put in place by white men and women. There really isn't any debate about that. They are open to any who now want to adopt them but someone had to put them in place to begin with and it was whites.

If I am going to be blamed for all the problems of the world I should be able to get some credit for actually being a part of the civilization that made it civilized.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:34 PM (ZLI7S)

151 NYT is aware of the recent poll concerning the publics view of the news media...yes?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:34 PM (cqNba)

152 Snopes rates this Project 1619 a gazillion percent true.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 01:34 PM (y7DUB)

153 Russian Collusion
Racist
Recession

That is what they're rolling with these days.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (vEIlU)

Sounds tweet-worthy for Trump.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:35 PM (H8QX8)

154 Manhattan Media functions as an orthodox church. Its in business to crucify the innocent to protect the guilty. It is what it is.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 01:35 PM (2LelM)

155
Uglier than Lena Dunham?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

unpossible

Posted by: Rick in SK at August 20, 2019 01:35 PM (FZYNt)

156 NYT is aware of the recent poll concerning the publics view of the news media...yes?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:34 PM (cqNba)

#FakeNews
- NY Times

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:35 PM (77WPm)

157 NYT isn't news media. It's the propaganda outlet of the DNC.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 01:35 PM (xfb67)

158 138
The biggest victory over the last 4 years has been the public's
realization that the media is not an impartial mouthpiece of God. They
are fallible human beings at best, and more frequently, they use their
position to push an agenda over the truth.


I'd like to think so, but I doubt it. OTOH, I read an article this morning citing a poll that 78% of the population thinks the press is pushing an agenda rather than the truth. Maybe there's hope.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:35 PM (T6t7i)

159 It's almost like the NYT is owned by some foreign entity that seems it's purpose is to depose Trump for the the good of the nation that the foreign entity calls home, and not reporting the truth to the help inform the the governed who must give consent to the governments actions. It's like the NYT has a particular bias.


Smaht, not stupid like Fredo.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at August 20, 2019 01:35 PM (ymnmz)

160 Via gets it right...

#134.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:35 PM (6qErC)

161 I am not interested in either.


Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (n13/j)

You get that what they mean as white nationalism is just "not open borders?"

Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 01:35 PM (nRWPy)

162 If the last post was the tears of tlaib, this one must be the bullshit of baquet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (r+sAi)

163 The NY Times is hoping to stoke a race war. However, they've not "felt" their way through this very well, because if they get what they want, they'll burn down the cities in which they reside.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman
at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (qC1Sy)

164 So we know that 40% of this country will always vote Democrat.

BUT what percent of those people would continue to vote Democrat (as opposed to even just staying home) if they knew what elected Democrats really believed?


I think there's a good 15 to 20 percent that would run screaming from that party if they knew the truth. Leaving about a third of this country as totally fucked in the head

Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (tJ655)

165

The New York Times should be bankrupt by now. I do not know what type of glue is holding it together. Mental glue. Hate glue.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (vEIlU)

166 Bandersnatch I wrote to you about Hollywood in post 252 of the Talib thread.

Thanks.

*scurries*

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (fuK7c)

167 I am not interested in either.

Glad you said that. I'm not conflating anything. I consider myself a patriot who loves his country, or what's left of it. Courtesy of the genetic roulette wheel, I just happen to be white.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (vtcmf)

168
Yes, they are destroying their credibility, but there is no doubt what they are doing is working. They are dumb, but not stupid. Their incessant attacks are working. I am not saying they are going to work, but they are working. They traded their credibility and professionalism for a few points in the next election. Just ask the soccer moms.
Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 01:22 PM (n13/j)

--------

I agree with most of what you said, but... the media are stupid.

They fuckin' ruined any credibility they had with Republican voters during Bush and Obama. Then, they threw their ruined cred in the fire and stomped on the ashes during Trump. Even large numbers of Democrats no longer trust them, though they give them what they want to hear (much like a junkie hates his dealer, come to think of it).

Very few believe their torrent of words anymore.

Knowing this, they should play to their remaining strength: SILENCE.

They still have gatekeeper status, to a large degree, in that the Conservative Media Ecosystem™ is on Team Blue.

While people don't trust what they DO say, they don't ever hear what they DON'T say.

The correct play isn't to holler without being hit (once again) about white supremacy. It won't fly, just like Muh Rushinz didn't fly.

Just give the American people stories about individual policy issues, to the extent they cover politics at all. Ignore Trump wherever possible. Fill the empty Minute of Hate time with stories about pop-culture, kittens, and glowing profiles of Democrats.

Pretend he doesn't exist, that his voters don't exist, and that none of his successes are happening. When he "screws up," wait at least a week for it to be an obvious
screw-up, and not yet another trap.

But they can't help themselves, or craft this glaringly obvious strategy, because: stupid (and crazy).

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (eGEVz)

169 Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 01:22 PM


Well said.

Posted by: Hands at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (786Ro)

170 A flamethrower tank. Driven by a gator. With a full complement of anti-personnel rounds. The tank, not the gator.
=====

And I keep dreaming of ice-breakers.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 20, 2019 01:37 PM (MIKMs)

171 The leftards are used to the GOPe who had rockers on their backs to facilitate easy rollover."

This can't be overstated...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:37 PM (6qErC)

172 150 If I am going to be blamed for all the problems of the world I should be able to get some credit for actually being a part of the civilization that made it civilized.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:34 PM (ZLI7S)

I didn't blame you for anything.

I'm not going to kiss your ass, either.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:37 PM (sm6Pk)

173 All media is a scam. Some are just doing it for coin, some are true believers. But no one is a dispassionate observer.



Who wants to be that passive player when you can be a guiding force?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 20, 2019 01:32 PM (oVJmc)
you are likely right. But journalism should be a reputable and fulfilling vocation. To bring people the news of the day and even investigate for untold stories should have some meaning to people. In some ways, it is like the work of a real historian. Real historians take pride in getting the facts right. Why can't there be journalists that do the same thing in their jobs?
BTW, i am well aware newspapers have always been slanted. Hell, even during the Old West, every major town had two papers, one Democrat and one Republican. Back then people read them both and then figured out the truth.

Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 01:37 PM (n13/j)

174
You'd think that readers would bolt. The NY Times led its readers down the garden path of 2016 with comforting assurances that Hillary would win. They did it again all through 2017 and 2018 with comforting assurances that Trump would be charged with a crime. When are readers going to get wise to these giant build-ups that come to nothing? At least on our side we've gotten wise to #TwoWeeks.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 20, 2019 01:37 PM (dstcr)

175 The 1619 Project: These opinion pieces are simply laying the groundwork for a bunch of recommendations that are already written. Like what, Mr. Baquet and your Fellow Travelers?

- Reparations?
- Endless government-imposed preferences for blacks?
- Court-ordered re-districting plus some sort of proportional vote casting* to ensure all elected bodies from City Councils to the US Senate have at least 15% blacks? (Each black person gets 3 or 4 or more votes.)
- All of the above, plus every other crazy white guilt scheme intended to compensate descendants of slaves?

Some of the above will require either Constitutional amendments, or a SCOTUS majority of Justices like RBG and Sotomayor. But that won't stop the Progressives from pushing for them every danged day from the day the NYT series ends, to increase the shaming of white Americans.

Posted by: Gref at August 20, 2019 01:37 PM (AMIL/)

176 163
The NY Times is hoping to stoke a race war.



Hey, don't associate me with them.

Posted by: Zombie Charles Manson at August 20, 2019 01:37 PM (T6t7i)

177 >>I'm not going to kiss your ass, either.

Well that's good because if I find you anywhere near my ass I will fart.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (ZLI7S)

178 Any man or woman of any creed or color can buy into the necessary values and be part of the American experiment. But the values that gave birth to said experiment could have only come from an English Protestant culture.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (N4xQB)

179
*munches some Jiffy Pop

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (8XRCm)

180 How to Drive Your Flame-Thrower Tank Fast on Drugs While Getting Your Wing-Wang Squeezed and Not Spill Your Drink

Posted by: P.J. O'Roorke at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (O8WFE)

181 and it is going to be uglier than anything anyone on Earth has ever seen.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (k4bRG)

Uglier than Lena Dunham?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe


Uglier than a mother-in-laws love.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (3oX+R)

182 164 So we know that 40% of this country will always vote Democrat.

BUT what percent of those people would continue to vote Democrat (as opposed to even just staying home) if they knew what elected Democrats really believed?


I think there's a good 15 to 20 percent that would run screaming from that party if they knew the truth. Leaving about a third of this country as totally fucked in the head
Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (tJ655)

Nope. They'll stay wedded to the Abortion Party forever.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (sm6Pk)

183 They've created another problem for themselves with the Recession predictions, and it's one they should have seen a mile off if they had any self-awareness or sense of history.

It's this: If you're going to predict "THE END IS NEAR!!!" well then that End had better start to show up pretty soon, or else you just become the crazy hippy wearing a message board down on the street corner. The Global Warmists have been making the same mistake; when you predict DOOM!!!! but doom takes a holiday and never shows up, your credibility on those kinds of things goes through the floor.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (Kpl3J)

184
I'm proud of my white privilege.

Those who came before me set the stage, actually EARNING those privileges has been (as it must be) on me.

It's my responsibility to pay that forward.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (KATBx)

185 And it's working. Rasmussen had Trump at 44 today. Hasn't been that low since May. The shootings had an effect. Whether it's long or short term is yet to be seen, but they did have an effect.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (FiUMj)

186 Muslims still practice slavery. Write about that, Baquet, otherwise STFU.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (y7DUB)

187 96 I really want a flamethrower.

and maybe a tank.
Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:17 PM

Well, Insom, now you know what to get nurse for her birthday.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 20, 2019 01:26 PM (ejd/p)

Let me check under the couch cushions.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 01:39 PM (NWiLs)

188 We're a little tiny bit flat-footed. I mean, that's what happens when a story looks a certain way for two years.

A little tiny bit flat-footed? Kinda like Pearl Harbor.

The story only looked that way if you're either a) desperately wanted to believe that, despite the evidence, b) you're retarded, or c) both.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:39 PM (rAa90)

189 The New York Times should be bankrupt by now. I do not know what type of glue is holding it together. Mental glue. Hate glue.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:36 PM (vEIlU)

Hate Glue.

Love that and I am stealing it for future use as I travel in my AO.

Thanks artisanal 'ette!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 20, 2019 01:39 PM (Z+IKu)

190 But journalism should be a reputable and fulfilling vocation"

Ok, that's funny right there...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:39 PM (6qErC)

191 Successful western values are open to everyone and have been advanced by every race. It's the values.

And I can probably find a way to be more white than you and look down on you for it, but I won't because that's stupid.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:30 PM (fuK7c)

Hmmm, did I say the western White Man has done EVERYTHING? Every advancement?

No, you read into it what you thought I was saying.

But its pretty hard to deny that the Western White Man, as a Minority, has been very very successful, if you are going to talk about the subject at all.

But of course, stating facts like that makes me a RAAAAACIST, and the polite folks in society will tell me I'm being naughty.

Posted by: Don Q at August 20, 2019 01:39 PM (NgKpN)

192 and a flamethrower. I really want a flamethrower.

and maybe a tank.
Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 01:17 PM (d7Ww2)

There were flamethrower tanks in WW2...

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 01:39 PM (J+mig)

193 178 Any man or woman of any creed or color can buy into
the necessary values and be part of the American experiment. But the
values that gave birth to said experiment could have only come from an
English Protestant culture.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM (N4xQB)

I would argue they had a nice assist from Rousseau, Voltaire, and many other non-Brits who were key to bringing-about the Enlightenment.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:39 PM (77WPm)

194 Let me check under the couch cushions.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 01:39 PM (NWiLs)
---------------

Aquanet and a Bic lighter and you're good to go!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman
at August 20, 2019 01:40 PM (qC1Sy)

195 I always was partial to the quad 50 antiaircraft mount. Im afraid of the ammo bill though....,

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 01:40 PM (7jTtI)

196
I'm proud of my white privilege.


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Its funny, (melancholy ironic, not hahaha) that we've been conditioned to cringe at that.

Substitute any other skin hue under the sun and that sentence is hunky dory.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 01:40 PM (8XRCm)

197
There was a story about the funeral of an antebellum Southern plantation owner. His casket was from Indiana, his shoes from Massachusetts, the suit he was buried in was from New York and the headstone was Vermont granite. The South, it was said, supplied the corpse and the hole in the ground.

Slavery ruined the South, not enriched it.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 20, 2019 01:40 PM (Wx/+I)

198 But western values were put in place by white men and women. There really isn't any debate about that.


Anyone ever learn anything about war from Sun Tzu? Were the ancient Greeks white as we understand it? The Egyptians definitely not.

Heck, we built western civilization on Desert Jews 1.0 and 2.0.

The white stuff is stupid.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:40 PM (fuK7c)

199 Hate Glue. "

Can I get that with my Hate Shake?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:40 PM (6qErC)

200
Haiti had a tonne of slavery, where is all its wealth?


??

Posted by: Yo! at August 20, 2019 01:41 PM (1XAal)

201 >>Yes, they are destroying their credibility, but there is no doubt what they are doing is working. They are dumb, but not stupid. Their incessant attacks are working. I am not saying they are going to work, but they are working. They traded their credibility and professionalism for a few points in the next election. Just ask the soccer moms.


So true.

A wild guess as to what their goal is: during the Obama admin the media got all sorts of funding*, and they expected further funding/ongoing supplemental money from the federal government to be established by Hillary.


*The end of that funding in 2/2019 resulted in massive online media layoffs

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 01:41 PM (bDqIh)

202 "I would argue they had a nice assist from Rousseau, Voltaire, and many other non-Brits who were key to bringing-about the Enlightenment. "

These may all be true.

But I demand that Britain be recognized for its contributions in the fields of cooking.


And dentistry.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:41 PM (cqNba)

203 Alex Salvi @alexsalvinews
26m
#NEW on @OANN: Pres. Trump is expected to name John Sullivan, the deputy secretary of state, to be the next ambassador to Russia, replacing Jon Huntsman Jr. as his liaison to Moscow.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 01:41 PM (BqBId)

204 Honestly, how do you keep calling yourself a newspaper after this?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 20, 2019 01:41 PM (wclv0)

205 Successful western values are open to everyone

So is quantum mechanics.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (rAa90)

206 Jennifer Franco @jennfranconews
1h
#NEW: The Justice Dept. has submitted a legal brief to the Supreme Court arguing that Pres. Trump acted within the law when he ended the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, as the court is expected to take up the case in November. #OANN

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (BqBId)

207 Hard to believe they are so blatant about this.

Apparently, the news no longer consists of the actual facts.
This has, of course, been true for a long time.

They must really think their readers are dolts.



This is the Times so yeah, they know their market.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (yQpMk)

208 But I demand that Britain be recognized for its contributions in the fields of cooking.


And dentistry.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:41 PM (cqNba)

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Yes, examples of how not to do things are always good.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman
at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (qC1Sy)

209 195 I always was partial to the quad 50 antiaircraft mount. Im afraid of the ammo bill though....,
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They worked wonders supressing hilltops in Korea while the infantry advanced. They had trailers full of ammo to do it though.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (2LelM)

210 Slavery ruined the South, not enriched it. "

True.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (6qErC)

211 I would argue they had a nice assist from Rousseau

Rousseau? The "intellectual" driving force behind the French Revolution? That Rousseau?

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (T6t7i)

212 My support for the NYT is to buy the Sunday Crosswords books once a year. I like the bigger format, so if the subject is too obscure I can get there another way.

WaPo used to have good crosswords as well, but I haven't seen $$$-worthy compendiums (compendia?).

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (MIKMs)

213 Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:34 PM (ZLI7S)

Yep.

And the acme of Western Civilization - the U.S. - was built, predominantly and overwhelmingly, by WASPs, with a few Catholics, some Eastern Orthodox and a bunch of Jews thrown in - all still from the West. But that was pretty much it.

There were tons of other places in the world searching for new governance but the U.S. only appeared here. And even in the hundreds of years that followed its establishment, the rest of the world still didn't bother to copy the US, choosing instead to copy the loser Eurotrash nations. To this day.

Other countries and peoples didn't lack for brilliance - but it was the unique Western culture that took the same inventions that had happened elsewhere and actually exploited them and brought them to the world (Britain gets a big hand for doing that).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (k4bRG)

214
If slavery enriched the countries that practiced it, why isn't Brazil the wealthiest nation on the planet?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (Wx/+I)

215 Jennifer Franco @jennfranconews
1h
#NEW: The DOJ is partnering with more than a dozen state attorneys general as it moves forward with its sweeping investigation into potential antitrust law violations by big tech companies. #OANN

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (BqBId)

216 >>The white stuff is stupid.

I disagree. I have no problem being proud of my ethnicity and the contribution it has made to the world.

Why should every other ethnic group on the planet be allowed to be proud of their heritage but the group that inarguably made the biggest contributions have to pretend we aren't proud?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (ZLI7S)

217 Time to release the white kraken

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at August 20, 2019 01:43 PM (SMyjc)

218 'Can I get that with my Hate Shake?"


Hate to break it to you, but.....

Hate shakes are done for the season.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:43 PM (cqNba)

219 I don't know if it will gain any traction ,but from the 'send money' emails I get Bernie and now Warren are pushing for... well, from Bernie:


We need a top-to-bottom reform of America's law enforcement,
judicial and incarceration systems. Here's our plan:

End for-profit greed in our criminal justice system
End mass incarceration and excessive sentencing
End the cycle of violence and support victims of crime
Transform the way we police communities
Reverse the criminalization of disability

If you agree that the criminal justice system in this country
needs transformational change, add your name to our petition.

.
Warren's email is too long to quote but pretty much the same thing: lets go back to the good old days of the 1970s when crime kept going up and it was easier to call for gun control.
I guess they're hoping to claw back some of the Black voters who might vote for Trump.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of hoboken at August 20, 2019 01:43 PM (ZqRa6)

220 Its funny, (melancholy ironic, not hahaha) that we've been conditioned to cringe at that.

Substitute any other skin hue under the sun and that sentence is hunky dory.
Posted by: fixerupper


Substitute any other hue and you get a day, week or month to celebrate.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 01:43 PM (3oX+R)

221 113 Does the NYT realize that when regular people read the words that Banquet says, they immediately understand that the Times just admitted to cooking the story with a heapin helpin of left wing bias, and that upon sampling it, they found it tastes like shit and their solution is more left wing bias?


Like a Banquet TV dinner

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2019 01:43 PM (N1Ib1)

222 204 Honestly, how do you keep calling yourself a newspaper after this?
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The same way Goolag, FascistBook and Twatter claim they are a utility. They lie and have Obama judges to protect them.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 01:43 PM (2LelM)

223 A simple, old style chalkboard is, in all ways, superior to dry erase white board. Fight me.

Posted by: Jonie Goldberg at August 20, 2019 01:43 PM (vScqA)

224 Slavery ruined the South, not enriched it.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


Concur.

Posted by: Alexis de Toqueville at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (T6t7i)

225 Also, while we're talking about slavery.

Slavery and subjugation is not peculiar to America, it is peculiar to the human species and has been a prominent feature throughout the course of human history writ large.


And the only group of people that have fought to end it and are largely responsible for ending it were white people.


And if any group of people are owed anything it should be white people.


Black people did not liberate themselves, they were liberated by white people at the expense of a significant outlay of blood and treasure.


And If I, a white person, who's family literally had nothing to do with slavery in this country, being that we came here in the late 19th and early 20th century, have some obligation due to the color of my skin, then what about black gratitude for what was done for them?

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (88mwq)

226 Wait.....did I say that out loud?

Posted by: Dan Banquet at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (ymnmz)

227 Like a Banquet TV dinner
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You can actually eat those things. NYTs not so much.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (2LelM)

228

So is quantum mechanics.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


"Those Greek homos stole quantum mechanics from Africa!" - the Very Reverend Al Sharpton

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (Wx/+I)

229 Rousseau? The "intellectual" driving force behind the French Revolution? That Rousseau?


Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (T6t7i)

Read any of his stuff? Or just seen what lunatics like Robespierre did with it.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (77WPm)

230 would argue they had a nice assist from Rousseau

NO. Not Rousseau, who has SO much to answer for.

He started that "noble savage" horseshit that led in a straight line to Marxist thinking that all social ills arose from society rather than from the individual.

So most certainly Rousseau should NOT be included as an Enlightenment figure. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (rAa90)

231 Anyone ever learn anything about war from Sun Tzu? "

Sadly, too many try. You want to win a war, you need GM...

*logistics > strategery*

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (6qErC)

232 Bandersnatch I wrote to you about Hollywood in post 252 of the Talib thread.
Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:33 PM (tJ655)


We saw Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood this weekend. I will watch anything Quentin makes. He's one of the few reasons I will physically go to a movie theater.

I loved it. Loved it. As always the reviews are mixed. Love him or hate him. The cast was amazing. Even the little girl. Pitt's character makes you forget it's him. DiCaprio did really good too, esp the scene where he "nails it" in the movie. It's hilarious. He nails his "nailed it" acting moment.

If only, is my overall reaction to the action scene. If only...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (vEIlU)

233
Project 1619, eh?
Well, that adds up to, uh..
*takes off shoes*
17! and 7 plus 1 is OMG!!!!!
8!
THAT'S LITERALLY....
HITLER!!!!!!!
*faints*
*from the maths*

Posted by: Gooshy at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (bWLYQ)

234 #NEW: The DOJ is partnering with more than a dozen state attorneys general as it moves forward with its sweeping investigation into potential antitrust law violations by big tech companies. #OANN
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (BqBId)

___

CASE DISMISSED

Posted by: John Roberts at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (FiUMj)

235 216 >>The white stuff is stupid.

I disagree. I have no problem being proud of my ethnicity and the contribution it has made to the world.

Why should every other ethnic group on the planet be allowed to be proud of their heritage but the group that inarguably made the biggest contributions have to pretend we aren't proud?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (ZLI7S)

Some of us aren't proud of our non-white heritage.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (sm6Pk)

236 And the acme of Western Civilization - the U.S. - was built, predominantly and overwhelmingly, by WASPs, with a few Catholics, some Eastern Orthodox and a bunch of Jews thrown in - all still from the West. But that was pretty much it. "

Wha' about Me? I cook for you! I do laundry!!!

Posted by: Hop Sing at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (Kpl3J)

237 224 Slavery ruined the South, not enriched it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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That's like saying John Deere tractors ruined Iowa.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (2LelM)

238 Haiti had a tonne of slavery, where is all its wealth?
??
Posted by: Yo! at August 20, 2019 01:41 PM (1XAal)

In my checking account, where else?

I miss Jeffrey.

Posted by: Billy Jeff at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (Z+IKu)

239 #NEW: The DOJ is partnering with more than a dozen state attorneys general as it moves forward with its sweeping investigation into potential antitrust law violations by big tech companies. #OANN
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (BqBId)

Do antitrust law violations have anything to do with the censorship/political bias issue?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (H8QX8)

240 Isn't it odd that the NYC embarked on the 1619 project at the same time Jussie Smollet was faking hate crimes, Kamala Harris was passing lynching as hate crime legislation, Hollywood is churning out movies like "The Hunt" and tv shows like "Dear White People," and the usual blue checkmark activists and SPLC/ADL/MMFA started crowing about the menace of white nationalism?!

It's almost as if it's all coordinated.
Naw, that can't be happening. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (bDqIh)

241 Heck, we built western civilization on Desert Jews 1.0 and 2.0.

The white stuff is stupid.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:40 PM (fuK7c)

Rome deserves a lot of credit, but a lot of why Rome's legacy endured is due to how it spread Christianity across Europe, and remained in control of the Church. If Europe had remained Pagan, the cultural impact would likely have been lost.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (J+mig)

242 That's like saying John Deere tractors ruined Iowa.
Posted by: Puddin Head

bullshit

Iowa was already fucked

Posted by: Rick in SK at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (FZYNt)

243
So most certainly Rousseau should NOT be included as an Enlightenment figure. Quite the contrary.

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THIS.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (8XRCm)

244 We're truly living in an age where people believe what they want to believe. So how do we reach the rational people near the middle who stew in the lies but would be open to the truth (not Biden's truth, the real one)?

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (1SrN2)

245 Time to get noble savage AF

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (SMyjc)

246 I recall reading that Voltaire said (I'm paraphrasing) 'when I read Rousseau I feel like running around on all fours'.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of hoboken at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (ZqRa6)

247 Not only did Team Mueller fail to find proof of collusion

No, they 'failed' to find proof that it was all manufactured. Or rather, they neglected to tell us when they did. Not sure which is more damning.

Posted by: t-bird at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (1CyAI)

248 Why should every other ethnic group on the planet be allowed to be proud of their heritage"

Sucks to be you, huh?

/

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:47 PM (6qErC)

249 223 A simple, old style chalkboard is, in all ways, superior to dry erase white board. Fight me.

Posted by: Jonie Goldberg at August 20, 2019 01:43 PM (vScqA)


Go home Jonah, you're drunk.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at August 20, 2019 01:47 PM (tu3iY)

250 Of course western civilization is open to anyone, but its roots are most definitely European Judeo/Christian. When you take a course in "Western Civ" you start with the Egyptians, take a slog through Mesopotamia bumping into the Hebrews, and get seriously busy with the Ancient Greeks, then the Romans, then the Byzantines, then Western Europe.

At each stage "man" either thinks about or succeeds in giving "man" more personal freedoms. The ideas that created the ideas behind democracy, laws applicable to the entire population, representative republics, even calculus all came from that heritage.

In order to REJECT personal responsibility, the rule of law, individual rights, liberty you have to destroy the IDEAS behind Western Civilization. You have to make people think that those IDEAS suck. That the "men" who conceived of God given natural rights were BAD.

Hence the attack on white men. If white men are bad, then western civ is bad and so are natural rights.

Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 01:47 PM (nRWPy)

251 We're truly living in an age where people believe what they want to believe. So how do we reach the rational people near the middle who stew in the lies but would be open to the truth (not Biden's truth, the real one)?
Posted by: Chunk Hunger at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (1SrN2)


We need to focus on education.
Pre-school through University

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:47 PM (vEIlU)

252 End for-profit greed in our criminal justice system
End mass incarceration and excessive sentencing
End the cycle of violence and support victims of crime
Transform the way we police communities
Reverse the criminalization of disability


Translation:

Take over all prisons by government bureaucrats and pay them shit for wages.
But don't worry, since no one will actually go to prison.
End all punishment for minor crimes and encourage young hoodlums to believe that they can get away with anything.
Punish the police if they dare even look at a minority.
Punish anyone who complains about the mentally unsound homeless and thugs now wandering the streets.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 20, 2019 01:47 PM (wCmLp)

253 Slavery ruined the South, not enriched it.

It's been argued (by academics, so for what it's worth) that slavery in the US would not have made it into the 1870's before being closed-down as cost-ineffective (technology was starting to take over). Certainly not into the 1880's.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:47 PM (77WPm)

254 May have been said but:

I want a new drug
One that won't make me sick
One that won't make me crash my car
Or make me feel three feet thick

I want a new drug
One that won't hurt my head
One that won't make my mouth too dry
Or make my eyes too red...

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at August 20, 2019 01:48 PM (v7jy4)

255 I agree that slavery damaged the South. In an inestimable way.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 01:48 PM (7jTtI)

256 Notice they still think Mueller failed to find the proof. Not that it never existed in the 1st place.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 01:48 PM (xfb67)

257 The white stuff is stupid.

No, it isn't. Take away the contributions of whites (and Asians), and people would be living in mud huts and dying of various diseases in their 20s.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:48 PM (rAa90)

258 216 >>The white stuff is stupid.

I disagree. I have no problem being proud of my ethnicity and the contribution it has made to the world.

Why should every other ethnic group on the planet be allowed to be proud of their heritage but the group that inarguably made the biggest contributions have to pretend we aren't proud?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (ZLI7S)

White isn't an ethnic group and it's typically unclear which peoples its supposed to encompass and which groups it doesn't(Germanic/Nordic, Slavic, Mediterranean[which includes many Middle Easterners/North Africa], Mesopotamian, Persia, and Indian are rough cultural categories).

The broadest general group would be Indo-European, but most of those people have either little to do with one another or a long history of enimity.

Posted by: Someguy at August 20, 2019 01:48 PM (yOykd)

259 So most certainly Rousseau should NOT be included as an Enlightenment figure. Quite the contrary.
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THIS.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (8XRCm)

But I thought his jungle paintings were pretty good. Especially that one with the Tiger.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (Kpl3J)

260 Voltaire was kinda a dick too and so was Newton.

Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (nRWPy)

261 How to Drive Your Flame-Thrower Tank Fast on Drugs While Getting Your Wing-Wang Squeezed and Not Spill Your Drink
Posted by: P.J. O'Roorke at August 20, 2019 01:38 PM


You write an article like that. Then you have daughters. I can only imagine the explaining that goes on in the O'Rourke household.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (ejd/p)

262 "before being closed-down as cost-ineffective (technology was starting to take over). "

Is there a particular nation where most of these technological advancements were being developed?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (cqNba)

263

What about a white girl with a tan?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (vEIlU)

264 I see and hear the blatantly anti white racism coming from the mouths and pens of the left and I have to wonder what will they call for when whites are less than 50%, 40% of the American demographics.

Posted by: Floridachick at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (ZcE3r)

265 If only, is my overall reaction to the action scene. If only...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (vEIlU)

I saw it. I thought it was his best film (I've never been able to take his films seriously, as he doesn't seem to). But I can't decide how good it was. I thought the Spahn ranch scene was superb. But does it all come together? Or is it just a pastiche of scenes, some funny, some not so much. I'm honestly undecided. I'll see it again.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (H8QX8)

266
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (rAa90)

Evidently I need to read more - I've not read much of any of this. Perhaps I got his "relatively sane" stuff. So, fair enough - Robespierre's sage is withdrawn.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:50 PM (77WPm)

267 "If I am going to be blamed for all the problems of
the world I should be able to get some credit for actually being a part
of the civilization that made it civilized"Posted by: JackStraw

very true ...


What the totalitarians are really attacking though ... is WesternCiv itself. WesternCiv is still seen as mostly pretty awesome (I think) so they attack it indirectly by attacking (white) straw man "Racism" ... (and the extensions -- homophobe, xenophobe, Islamophobe).


It is art of war, get your enemies (WesternCiv, Americanism ... pretty much united as a people around that concept) to fight each other over contrived perversions of equality. (e.g. Dems were against equality for blacks, now they buy their vote with special favors and keep them in line, on the Dem plantation in rat infested cities)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2019 01:50 PM (Cus5s)

268 Slavery ruined the South, not enriched it.


Ship building techniques remained static for over 2 thousand years. Basically even "ships" were just built up dugout canoes with carved tree trunks hand carved into the lines of a hull, vertical, then flaring, then back to vertical, and attached with mortise and tenon joints with an inside frame added to hold up decks later, rather than sawn planks warped to fit a frame. They were literally getting two planks out of a tree trunk.

Why no improvement? Because ships were built by slaves. What is their incentive to innovate for efficiency? They are just going to build ships until they die, be it 5 or 50.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 20, 2019 01:50 PM (yQpMk)

269 253
Not economical for sure, but tradition and inertia would still have been an obstacle.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 01:50 PM (7jTtI)

270 231 Anyone ever learn anything about war from Sun Tzu? "

Sadly, too many try. You want to win a war, you need GM...

*logistics > strategery*
Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (6qErC)

Logistics and strategy are so intertwined that you can't separate the two. An army can't fight it is isn't fed. Destroying the enemy's ability to wage war is more effective than just killing their troops.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 01:50 PM (J+mig)

271
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (cqNba)

I suspect you know the answer to that one

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:50 PM (77WPm)

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Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:44 PM (vEIlU)

I'm soooooooo glad about my "no reading about movies I haven't seen" policy that I instituted about 25 years ago. Can't even tell you how much.

Tarantino trailers on the other hand rarely give anything away. The worst thing that got ruined by a Tarantino trailer was the best line in Death Proof:
Do I frighten you?
{nods}Is it my scar?
It's your car.

Which isn't much.

But yeah I just keep going back to this one in my head. I want to see it again. DiCaprio was great. I wish we'd gotten a little bit more of Sharon but she was handled well. And even Raylan was awesome. I thoroughly enjoyed that whole scene. Actors acting about acting. Fun!

Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:50 PM (tJ655)

273 Is there a particular nation where most of these technological advancements were being developed?"

Peruvia.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (6qErC)

274 What about a white girl with a tan?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (vEIlU)


With tan lines, for the win.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (k4bRG)

275 The emotional hysteria at the NYT and other leftist 'news' outlets is the entire point of what they are doing. Pointing out that it's emotional hysteria is somewhat useful for our own side, but the left doesn't really care.

Emotions beat facts in politics and on social issues.

Arguing that we aren't white supremacists is idiotic. Trying to refine our arguments in the face of someone screaming we are a witch is futile.

If the left accused us of being monsters, demons from the darkest pits of hell, you would have those on the right trying to somehow prove that there are no currently known portals to hell, and prepared to swear out affidavits that they are not in fact infernal beings.

The accusations have absolutely nothing to do with reality. They are an emotional slogan to rally the faithful.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (ltuaO)

276 "and people would be living in mud huts and dying of various diseases in their 20s. "



Oh...horse crap.

Give me one example of a country, or better yet, a continent where these things conditions currently exist.


Go-ahead....

I'll wait.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (cqNba)

277 It's been argued (by academics, so for what it's worth) that slavery in the US would not have made it into the 1870's before being closed-down as cost-ineffective (technology was starting to take over). Certainly not into the 1880's.

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Pretty sure the opposite is true.

The invention of the cotton gin (mecahnical removal of the seeds from the fibers) increased the processing capacity of cotton. This drove an increase in the need for labor to 1. plant cotton and 2. pick cotton, which fueled an increase of slave labor astronomically.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (8XRCm)

278 The white stuff is stupid.

I disagree. I have no problem being proud of my ethnicity and the contribution it has made to the world.

Why should every other ethnic group on the planet be allowed to be proud of their heritage but the group that inarguably made the biggest contributions have to pretend we aren't proud?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:42 PM (ZLI7S)

Some of us aren't proud of our non-white heritage.
Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (sm6Pk)

This sort of conversation is why identity politics is so toxic. Accepting the premise that hundreds of years of cultural, political, and social advancement can't be boiled down into skin color. Identity politics sorts people like Hikaru and JackStraw into separate boxes and forces them into opposition, when they'd rather agree.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (KUaJL)

279 267
What the totalitarians are really attacking though ... is WesternCiv itself. WesternCiv is still seen as mostly pretty awesome (I think) so they attack it indirectly by attacking (white) straw man "Racism" ... (and the extensions -- homophobe, xenophobe, Islamophobe).


It is art of war, get your enemies (WesternCiv, Americanism ... pretty much united as a people around that concept) to fight each other over contrived perversions of equality. (e.g. Dems were against equality for blacks, now they buy their vote with special favors and keep them in line, on the Dem plantation in rat infested cities)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2019 01:50 PM (Cus5s)

I'm starting to feel more and more like very certain people here (one more than everyone else) are telling me I have no place in Western Civilization.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (sm6Pk)

280 Read any of his stuff? Or just seen what lunatics like Robespierre did with it.


Posted by: DocJ

Fair point. Much of his work was misused by others. OTOH, the whole "state of nature" nonsense is ridiculous. Man is NOT inherently good. If there's a dividing line between us, that's it.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (T6t7i)

281 No Irish need apply.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (MIKMs)

282 Are you really surprised at this? When reading the NYT always assume that the article is fiction.

Posted by: ALH at August 20, 2019 01:52 PM (GaOgf)

283 White isn't an ethnic group and it's typically unclear which peoples its supposed to encompass and which groups it doesn't

(Germanic/Nordic,


White

Slavic,

Borderline. Probably not white.

Mediterranean[which includes many Middle Easterners/North Africa],

Not white.

Mesopotamian, Persia, and Indian are rough cultural categories).

Way not white.

So, do we give the wogs temporary white status for the contributions they made to white civilization?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:52 PM (fuK7c)

284 I saw it. I thought it was his best film (I've never been able to take his films seriously, as he doesn't seem to). But I can't decide how good it was. I thought the Spahn ranch scene was superb. But does it all come together? Or is it just a pastiche of scenes, some funny, some not so much. I'm honestly undecided. I'll see it again.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (H8QX


I heard other people saying this, the patchwork quilt theory, but I did not see it that way at all. It all came together - and the character studies in a particular period in Hollywood were great.

The title, "Once Upon a Time..." gives you the hint that what you are about to see if fiction. Hence the storyline went. You could call it a fairy tale or whatnot. For some, it has a very happy ending.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:53 PM (vEIlU)

285 73 Dear Editor:

I agree with your hypothesis that racism runs through the DNA of our country. The Democrat party has been identified as the father through the historical paternity test. Democrats: The deadbeat father of American tribalism.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained
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THIS! A friend of mine submitted something very similar to our local rag as a letter to the editor and did it see the light of day.. nope.

Its all TDS or Bevin rage even though this is OrangeManBad country which is exactly why their subscription base is dwindling and dwindling. They've practically agreed to send me a paper every day of the week for 99 cents a week for a year and I told the lady on the phone, "you know, you couldn't pay me to take your paper anymore".

But yet they insist - their not gonna print anything that goes against their masters wishes and yet wonder why they are going under! Propagandists each and every last one of them.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at August 20, 2019 01:53 PM (v7jy4)

286 It's been argued (by academics, so for what it's worth) that slavery in the US would not have made it into the 1870's before being closed-down as cost-ineffective (technology was starting to take over). Certainly not into the 1880's.
Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:47 PM (77WPm)


Meh, I'm not sure about that. Humans aren't homo economus and think only in economic terms. Slave owners made up a small fraction of the southern population, but they were a wealthy and politically influential fraction, not to mention that there were plenty of others in the Southern economy whose livelihoods were tied to slavery or the cotton industry,
and an end to slavery would likely have meant their changing fortunes. Meanwhile, it was a part of Southern culture and class structure as well, and cultural relics can carry on for quite a while after they stop being useful.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 20, 2019 01:53 PM (wCmLp)

287 Evidently I need to read more - I've not read much of any of this. Perhaps I got his "relatively sane" stuff. So, fair enough - Robespierre's sage is withdrawn.
Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:50 PM (77WPm)


Fair enough. My blood boiled when I read Rousseau's First and Second Discourses in college. They were as nonsensical as Marx's labor theory of value.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:53 PM (rAa90)

288 Also note that she was one of the only people in conservative (or "conservative") media to call out the sudden fabrication of a new Moral Panic storyline when others in the "conservative" media, such as Rich Lowry and the National Review, were all too happy to agree with their leftist twitter pals and enjoy the Liberal Approval which they crave so much.

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I, for one, am willing to call out the sudden and immediate danger of ecoterrorism and progressive terrorism as represented by the El Paso and Ohio shootings.

We must use the full might of the federal government o stamp out environmental extremists and progressive extremists.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 01:54 PM (iikV8)

289 Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (T6t7i)


No worries - I may not have read enough of his stuff and yeah, that he was Robespierre's sage should give me (and anyone) pause.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:54 PM (77WPm)

290 Isn't it odd that the NYC embarked on the 1619 project at the same time Jussie Smollet was faking hate crimes, Kamala Harris was passing lynching as hate crime legislation, Hollywood is churning out movies like "The Hunt" and tv shows like "Dear White People," and the usual blue checkmark activists and SPLC/ADL/MMFA started crowing about the menace of white nationalism?!

It's almost as if it's all coordinated.
Naw, that can't be happening. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (bDqIh)


during the "Hillary era" it was all women all of the time. Which continues today, so you know who they all want to win. One of the two women. Period.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:54 PM (vEIlU)

291 South America was riddled with slavery (and most of the world at one time or another) until Bolivar went on his quest. And then it still persisted for a while.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 20, 2019 01:54 PM (r+sAi)

292 Somebody has probably beaten me to this, but I keep seeing 'Baquet' as 'Bouquet' -- as in Hyacinth -- pushing to be arbiter of all things social and appropriate, rather desperately.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 20, 2019 01:54 PM (MIKMs)

293
I don't know if it will gain any traction ,but from the 'send money' emails I get Bernie and now Warren are pushing for... well, from Bernie:

Reverse the criminalization of disability


Is it illegal to be disabled?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 20, 2019 01:55 PM (aKsyK)

294 Do antitrust law violations have anything to do with the censorship/political bias issue?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:45 PM (H8QX


As much as Capone's income tax evasion had to do with his bootlegging, murdering, etc.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Official Distributor for the Old Appalachian Wrath Shop at August 20, 2019 01:55 PM (hLRSq)

295 This sort of conversation is why identity politics is so toxic. Accepting the premise that hundreds of years of cultural, political, and social advancement can't be boiled down into skin color. Identity politics sorts people like Hikaru and JackStraw into separate boxes and forces them into opposition, when they'd rather agree.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (KUaJL)

And for people like me, they demand that you choose one of four boxes, and spit on your ancestors in the other three. I refuse to do that.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 01:55 PM (J+mig)

296 260 Voltaire was kinda a dick too and so was Newton.

Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 01:49 PM (nRWPy)

It's really a mixed bag. Many ideas we consider in the context of the Enlightenment have existed or been proposed at other times and places. What we have today isn't really a culmination so much as a grab bag of things (communism certainly has Western roots but is not what we typically mean by Western Civilization).

Posted by: Someguy at August 20, 2019 01:55 PM (yOykd)

297 >>This sort of conversation is why identity politics is so toxic. Accepting the premise that hundreds of years of cultural, political, and social advancement can't be boiled down into skin color. Identity politics sorts people like Hikaru and JackStraw into separate boxes and forces them into opposition, when they'd rather agree.

No it does not.

I have no problem crediting any group that added to the collective betterment of man. And I sure as hell didn't invent identity politics. It has been forced on me when I am told every single day that white men are the devil and the root of all problems in the world.

I simply don't accept the premise and am more than happy to stand up for the contributions and values that old white men have given the world. It's not a supremacist attitude. It's a refuse to be scapegoated attitude.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (ZLI7S)

298 293

Reverse the criminalization of disability



Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 20, 2019 01:55 PM (aKsyK)

If only what that actually meant was "Stop SSDI Fraud".

Sadly, that's not what he meant.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (sm6Pk)

299 "Is it illegal to be disabled? "

UUUhhhh......

What we need is common sense disability control laws.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (cqNba)

300 Rome deserves a lot of credit, but a lot of why
Rome's legacy endured is due to how it spread Christianity across
Europe, and remained in control of the Church. If Europe had remained
Pagan, the cultural impact would likely have been lost.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (J+mig)

Maybe, but the real leap forward with Rome was the 12 Tables. The plebians made it known they weren't going to fight in wars if they didn't WRITE DOWN the DAMN LAWS so that the Patricians didn't screw over the commoner in favor of other Patricians.
Roman Law + Christianity + a lingua franca via the Church provided the basis for the civilizing of Europe.In fact, the Cyrillic alphabet and the adoption of the Eastern Orthodox Church sect doomed many parts of eastern Europe to lag behind western europe because they then lacked a common language even via the Church a common alphabet, and didn't read the "ancients" so didn't have a common heritage to learn and express ideas in terms of.

Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (nRWPy)

301 They were as nonsensical as Marx's labor theory of value.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:53 PM (rAa90)

We completely agree as to Marx - I mean, his theories "might" work if you eliminated from man, oh I don't know, how about ego, for a start.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (77WPm)

302 Actors acting about acting. Fun!

That is all of Tarantino. Reservoir Dogs had a Brit acting as an American being trained to be an actor as an undercover cop, learn your lines and your backstory so that it's natural.

Pulp Fiction, just before the Flock of Seagulls scene, "Let's get in character".

Tarantino just rolls around in the meta all the time and it's almost always glorious.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:57 PM (fuK7c)

303 I'm starting to feel more and more like very certain
people here (one more than everyone else) are telling me I have no
place in Western Civilization.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie)


Please don't think that. As said above, this sort of discussion is fraught with peril. Fraught, I say!

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:57 PM (T6t7i)

304 300 Roman Law + Christianity + a lingua franca via the Church provided the basis for the civilizing of Europe.In fact, the Cyrillic alphabet and the adoption of the Eastern Orthodox Church sect doomed many parts of eastern Europe to lag behind western europe because they then lacked a common language even via the Church a common alphabet, and didn't read the "ancients" so didn't have a common heritage to learn and express ideas in terms of.
Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (nRWPy)

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Law - subverted by the Living Constitution
Christianity - subverted by the culture
Lingua Franca - subverted by academic jargon

Weird coincidence...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 01:57 PM (iikV8)

305 I'm starting to feel more and more like very certain people here (one more than everyone else) are telling me I have no place in Western Civilization.
Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (sm6Pk)


I think anyone who subscribes to the tenets of Western civilization has a place in it, and is welcome.

The pushback is occasioned by leftist efforts to paint Western civilization as an undiluted evil.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (rAa90)

306 245 Time to get noble savage AF
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at August 20, 2019 01:46 PM (SMyjc)

[cracks knuckles] Ain't nothin' noble about me.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (RD7QR)

307 297 No it does not.

I have no problem crediting any group that added to the collective betterment of man. And I sure as hell didn't invent identity politics. It has been forced on me when I am told every single day that white men are the devil and the root of all problems in the world.

I simply don't accept the premise and am more than happy to stand up for the contributions and values that old white men have given the world. It's not a supremacist attitude. It's a refuse to be scapegoated attitude.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (ZLI7S)

And every day, I just sit there and take it while many, many regulars casually throw their "Every black person is a criminal thug" crap around.

I am not a thug, and I'm getting tired of being constantly condescended to.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (sm6Pk)

308 Marianne Williamson has unveiled her new Department of Peace logo:

https://bit.ly/2Mv5cwn

But woker than thou Brianna Wu doesn't approve.

100 percent for the idea of a Department of Peace.

But I think making this logo pink sends unhelpful gendered messages. It makes peace seem like a feminine idea, when it' s an interest irrespective of gender.

I think green would be a better color. Growth. Nature. Positivity.

- Brianna Wu (@BriannaWu) August 19, 2019

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (+y/Ru)

309 The title, "Once Upon a Time..." gives you the hint that what you are about to see if fiction. Hence the storyline went. You could call it a fairy tale or whatnot. For some, it has a very happy ending.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 01:53 PM (vEIlU)

That was the least of my problems. I love that idea. Art needn't be subservient to reality, in fact on occasion it should celebrate its defiance of it. As for the other issues, I want to believe Tarantino had a coherent vision and structure which served it because the idea for the film is so wonderfully original, and my favorite genre is films about films. So I will see it again.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (H8QX8)

310 301 They were as nonsensical as Marx's labor theory of value.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:53 PM (rAa90)

We completely agree as to Marx - I mean, his theories "might" work if you eliminated from man, oh I don't know, how about ego, for a start.
Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (77WPm)

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Can we go one post without getting all Groucho about things?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (iikV8)

311 Just one more tidbit to add on ancient ship building; the reason that Xeres could afford to build a pontoon bridge across the Hellespont was because the transition to larger plank built ships was going on at the time and the older small ships were available cheap, being essentially obsolete. So, it was both impressive, and a payoff to the merchant marine to be loyal to the Empire by disposing of their useless tonnage.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (yQpMk)

312 302 Actors acting about acting. Fun!

That is all of Tarantino. Reservoir Dogs had a Brit acting as an American being trained to be an actor as an undercover cop, learn your lines and your backstory so that it's natural.

Pulp Fiction, just before the Flock of Seagulls scene, "Let's get in character".

Tarantino just rolls around in the meta all the time and it's almost always glorious.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:57 PM (fuK7c)

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He also has an obvious love of actors, specifically underappreciated character actors.

Robert Forster was cast as Max Cherry in Jackie Brown for a reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 01:59 PM (iikV8)

313 The invention of the cotton gin "

Began an oversupply of cotton, and opened new sources (the brits could then use Egyptian cotton), and meant that pickers could be less "picky" - so an entire field could be picked at the same time...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 01:59 PM (6qErC)

314
I simply don't accept the premise and am more than happy to stand up for the contributions and values that old white men have given the world. It's not a supremacist attitude. It's a refuse to be scapegoated attitude.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (ZLI7S)

The premise you're accepting is that "white men" are a meaningful category of people that an individual will either neatly fall into or out of, and therefore the collective guilt or accomplishments of the individuals of that group can be applied to everyone in it.

*That's* the premise that you should be rejecting.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 01:59 PM (KUaJL)

315 We completely agree as to Marx - I mean, his theories "might" work if you eliminated from man, oh I don't know, how about ego, for a start.
Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (77WPm)

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Thats the root cause of the problems with Socialism/Marxism.

It requires that humans act malevolently contrary to their nature. A brief review of 20th Century History should put THAT notion to rest, but it doesnt.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 01:59 PM (8XRCm)

316 Identity politics sorts people like Hikaru and JackStraw into separate boxes and forces them into opposition, when they'd rather agree.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (KUaJL)


No one is forced into opposition. There's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are and where you came from. And there's certainly nothing wrong with making sober assessments of various peoples' contributions to civilization. There is something wrong with being embarrassed and ashamed of being associated with the winning team. That is a new twist that only finds purchase in the self-hating world the Western Left has been trying so hard to establish (before it destroys everything).

People should certainly have pride in who and what they are. And people should strive to be better, themselves, than their ancestors were. That's not always possible. Modern Greeks have resigned themselves to the fact that they will never equal the ancient Greeks (almost no one can, the bar was set that high). But one still strives to achieve all he can, of his own doing.

And people whose happiness is dependent on what my opinion of them is are friggin annoying and pathetic. Do they think I care what their opinion of me is? They need to grow up and someone needs to tell them, I guess.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 01:59 PM (k4bRG)

317 These days the way the money supply and taxes work in the US, I kind feel more like a slave on a tax plantation than a willing contributor to a common society.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 20, 2019 01:59 PM (r+sAi)

318 I'm starting to feel more and more like very certain people here (one more than everyone else) are telling me I have no place in Western Civilization.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie)
Speaking only for myself, nothing could be further from the truth.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:59 PM (77WPm)

319 Read any of his stuff? Or just seen what lunatics like Robespierre did with it.


Posted by: DocJ
Fair point. Much of his work was misused by others. OTOH, the whole "state of nature" nonsense is ridiculous. Man is NOT inherently good. If there's a dividing line between us, that's it.
Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (T6t7i)


Camille Paglia takes him on stating that nature creates rapists and society develops to tame them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 02:00 PM (y7DUB)

320 305 I'm starting to feel more and more like very certain people here (one more than everyone else) are telling me I have no place in Western Civilization.
Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (sm6Pk)

There's always at least one in every room. Don't let them get you down. Ignore them and be the best damn American you can be.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 02:00 PM (J+mig)

321 >>And every day, I just sit there and take it while many, many regulars casually throw their "Every black person is a criminal thug" crap around.

>>I am not a thug, and I'm getting tired of being constantly condescended to.

I don't blame you for feeling that way. You feel the same way I do when I hear it constantly well beyond this blog. It's exactly what identity politics does, divide people and pit them against each other.

The best way to deal with is not to roll over and take it but stand up for what you believe in.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 02:01 PM (ZLI7S)

322 The title, "Once Upon a Time..." gives you the hint that what you are about to see if fiction.


That's what gave me confidence. Once Upon a Time is two Sergio Leone movies, including the best spaghetti western ever, and his buddy Robert Rodriguez' Mexico movie.

No way he was going to put that title on something that wasn't stellar.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 02:01 PM (fuK7c)

323 Somebody has probably beaten me to this, but I keep seeing 'Baquet' as 'Bouquet' -- as in Hyacinth -- pushing to be arbiter of all things social and appropriate, rather desperately.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 20, 2019 01:54 PM (MIKMs)


I first read it as banquet

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 02:01 PM (vEIlU)

324 " I'm starting to feel more and more like very certain
people here (one more than everyone else) are telling me I have no
place in Western Civilization.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie)"


Oddly enough, in a world where we are told that culture appropriation is wrong, most western civ supporters that I know are delighted when other cultures, other races, other religions, other....anybodies wish to take, embrace, share in and freely appropriate wsestern civ/culture.

Join us, you have a place at the table.

Like all other do.

A sharing people we are.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 02:01 PM (cqNba)

325 Western Civilization has to be about culture not race or tribal affiliations. The left is using the fact that its creators were white people to instigate hate and rejection of western civ and to marginalize and divide people along racial and tribal lines. If they are allowed to win this war there will be such massive destruction of humanity and civilization that I cannot even wrap my mind around the idea.

Posted by: Floridachick at August 20, 2019 02:01 PM (ZcE3r)

326 I have no place in Western Civilization"

Lighten up. Western civilization landed on some of my ancestors. I don't see anyone here telling me I should bail...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 02:02 PM (6qErC)

327 I'm starting to feel more and more like very certain people here (one more than everyone else) are telling me I have no place in Western Civilization.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:51 PM (sm6Pk)


No one is saying anything of the sort. People are just addressing what and who actually built Western Civilization - which should be a totally uncontroversial thing. Others are welcome into Western Civilization but it was built by a very specific set of people. Just be glad that they built it for everyone to enjoy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 02:02 PM (k4bRG)

328 301 They were as nonsensical as Marx's labor theory of value.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 01:53 PM (rAa90)

We completely agree as to Marx - I mean, his theories "might" work if you eliminated from man, oh I don't know, how about ego, for a start.
Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:56 PM (77WPm)


Here's the thing I thought as a sophomore when reading about the labor theory of value, Marx's engine for calculation "excess value."

When you see a finished product, how can you possibly know how much labor went into it, and therefore, how much value it contains?

If you read Marx, he also railed against efficient means of production (the basis of his assertions re "alienation" of workers), and in favor of an artisanal craftsman-based economy. He apparently viewed medieval economic arrangements as ideal.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 02:02 PM (rAa90)

329 32 22 What happens when this raysiss crap ends up in flames?
Posted by: henry at August 20, 2019 01:09 PM (JMDly)
Authoritarians move in "for our own good".
Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 01:12 PM (tJ655)


Say what you will, the Progs are planning for the future, whilst the GOP Establishment does a Sessionzzz!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at August 20, 2019 02:02 PM (BiNEL)

330 Nood. South Park

Posted by: zeera Moron Author at August 20, 2019 02:02 PM (T9rmq)

331 Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:57 PM (fuK7c)
Yes very good points.

Posted by: ... at August 20, 2019 02:03 PM (tJ655)

332 With tan lines, for the win.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair


This is so strange, yet so true. What is it, the contrast? The hint of the forbidden?

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 02:03 PM (T6t7i)

333 . What is it, the contrast? The hint of the forbidden?"

Racing stripes...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 02:05 PM (6qErC)

334 And every day, I just sit there and take it while many, many regulars casually throw their "Every black person is a criminal thug" crap around.

I am not a thug, and I'm getting tired of being constantly condescended to.
Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (sm6Pk)


I can think of one commenter who does this and CBD calls him out sporadically. I'm not surprised you feel that way.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 02:05 PM (y7DUB)

335
When you see a finished product, how can you possibly know how much labor went into it, and therefore, how much value it contains?

-----

Marx utterly fails to recognize that the "value" of a finished product has NOTHING to do with the value of the labor that went into it.

Its "value" is SOLELY determined by what people are willing to pay for it.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 02:05 PM (8XRCm)

336 It's been argued (by academics, so for what it's worth) that slavery in the US would not have made it into the 1870's before being closed-down as cost-ineffective (technology was starting to take over). Certainly not into the 1880's.
Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 01:47 PM (77WPm)

I've read that too, but then I think of other failed ideologies people have clung to even after it's apparent that they are economic disasters. The power structure in the South was deeply invested in rationalizing slavery. I don't think they would have folded that easily.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at August 20, 2019 02:05 PM (hgr0v)

337 317 These days the way the money supply and taxes work in the US, I kind feel more like a slave on a tax plantation than a willing contributor to a common society.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 20, 2019 01:59 PM (r+sAi)


Very much the case in California, where illegal aliens are the uber-class: they don't pay taxes, they don't obey laws, they get free medical care, free tuition at the University of California, the California Highway Patrol doesn't even ticket them, because they don't pay tickets, and the CHP is no longer allowed to impound their vehicles.

Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. To California taxpayers, not so much.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 02:05 PM (rAa90)

338 >>>332 With tan lines, for the win.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

This is so strange, yet so true. What is it, the contrast? The hint of the forbidden?

...

I would like to be heard on this issue.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2019 02:06 PM (PbpT7)

339 As for the other issues, I want to believe Tarantino had a coherent vision and structure which served it because the idea for the film is so wonderfully original, and my favorite genre is films about films. So I will see it again.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (H8QX


I saw an interview he did when they discussed Sharon Tate and why he put that in there. Why he put the real Dean footage in there. He's too funny. He really loves movies.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 02:06 PM (vEIlU)

340 >>The premise you're accepting is that "white men" are a meaningful category of people that an individual will either neatly fall into or out of, and therefore the collective guilt or accomplishments of the individuals of that group can be applied to everyone in it.

>>*That's* the premise that you should be rejecting.

Thanks but a hard pass. White men are a meaningful category. It's just a historical fact. And it's one under constant assault these days in education, in the job market, in society in general.

Your mistake is that you fall for the left's rule that any defense of white men is some sort of supremacist desire. This is just idiotic and false and I am not falling for it.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 02:07 PM (ZLI7S)

341 Marx utterly fails to recognize that the "value" of a finished product has NOTHING to do with the value of the labor that went into it.

Its "value" is SOLELY determined by what people are willing to pay for it.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 02:05 PM (8XRCm)


Absolutely. And with that recognition, the basis of his entire analysis crashes to the ground.

I used to ask Marxists if a pothole repaired by someone filling it with asphalt from a teaspoon was more valuable than one filled by a skiploader.

Never got an answer to that one.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 02:07 PM (rAa90)

342 So, do we give the wogs temporary white status for the contributions they made to white civilization?

What the left wants to demonize is "natural rights." That's a product of the enlightenment via the Scholastics from Christianity/Judiasm.


So really where did the idea of the rule of law, not man, and natural rights originate? Who developed those ideas an implemented them?


Because those are the bone of contention, do I have personal freedoms and rights not given to me by the state?


It has absolutely nothing to do with melanin. But the Left wants to use melanin to imply that natural rights vs collectivist rights are bad because the concept was advanced by bad white men who did other bad things.



Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 02:08 PM (nRWPy)

343 334 And every day, I just sit there and take it while many, many regulars casually throw their "Every black person is a criminal thug" crap around.

I am not a thug, and I'm getting tired of being constantly condescended to.
Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 01:58 PM (sm6Pk)

I certainly don't think that way and I'd hate for you to leave this place.

But it is frustrating to see how many blacks continue to vote people in who are not interested in addressing the very real problems in the black community but in maintaining the status quo and race-baiting. Just as it is frustrating to see Jews defending people who would gladly drive them into the sea.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at August 20, 2019 02:09 PM (hgr0v)

344 When you see a finished product, how can you possibly know how much labor went into it, and therefore, how much value it contains?

-----

Marx utterly fails to recognize that the "value" of a finished product has NOTHING to do with the value of the labor that went into it.

Its "value" is SOLELY determined by what people are willing to pay for it.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 02:05 PM (8XRCm)


Marx mistook "replacement cost" for the sole or best gauge of value. It is one gauge, but just one.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 02:09 PM (k4bRG)

345 It has absolutely nothing to do with melanin. But
the Left wants to use melanin to imply that natural rights vs
collectivist rights are bad because the concept was advanced by bad
white men who did other bad things.




Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 02:08 PM (nRWPy)

Well said.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 02:09 PM (77WPm)

346 "I would like to be heard on this issue."

Personal Point of Privilege.....


Ace would like to have the floor..............

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 02:09 PM (cqNba)

347 Posted by: dagny at August 20, 2019 02:08 PM (nRWPy)

Well said - forgot to add - all of it.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 02:10 PM (77WPm)

348 Hong Kong did capitalism better than the staid, lagging UK. They took the best of the UK (their laws) and combined a Chinese work ethic. The result was an economy that put the UK of that time to shame. Too bad someone gave it back, treaty or no.

Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 02:10 PM (n13/j)

349 Ace would like to have the floor..............

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 02:09 PM (cqNba)

Heh - ace's floor. ace can have it anytime ace wants.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 02:10 PM (77WPm)

350 White men are a meaningful category. It's just a historical fact. And it's one under constant assault these days in education, in the job market, in society in general.


Yep. I can understand the sensitivity of some to criticisms of their ethnic group, but in response I would ask the following rhetorical question:

"What is the one demographic group you can deprecate with utter impunity, at any time, for any reason, in any venue whatsoever, without attracting a scintilla of opprobrium?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 02:11 PM (rAa90)

351 Others are welcome into Western Civilization but it was built by a very specific set of people.

Ancient Egyptians -- not white
Ancient Greeks -- not white
Desert Jews 1.0 -- not white
Desert Jews 2.0 -- not white
Romans -- bordering on white
Renaissance artists -- mostly white
Enlightenment thinkers -- white

Very specific.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 02:11 PM (fuK7c)

352 "I would like to be heard on this issue."


Sorry, I have the conch.

Posted by: The Angel of Death in a Funny Hat at August 20, 2019 02:12 PM (yQpMk)

353 348 Hong Kong did capitalism better than the staid, lagging UK. They took the best of the UK (their laws) and combined a Chinese work ethic. The result was an economy that put the UK of that time to shame. Too bad someone gave it back, treaty or no.
Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 02:10 PM (n13/j)

The UK should have turned over Hong Kong to Taiwan. "No, we made this treaty with the legitimate government. That's the Republic, not you."

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 02:14 PM (J+mig)

354 Ancient Egyptians -- not white
Ancient Greeks -- not white
Desert Jews 1.0 -- not white
Desert Jews 2.0 -- not white
Romans -- bordering on white
Renaissance artists -- mostly white
Enlightenment thinkers -- white


Wrong. All are Caucasians. Forensic pathologists cannot distinguish between skeletons of those groups, but can do so re other groups.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 02:14 PM (rAa90)

355

some may not know there is NOOOD

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 02:14 PM (vEIlU)

356 Wrong. All are Caucasians. Forensic pathologists cannot distinguish between skeletons of those groups, but can do so re other groups.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara



Pish. Your name is Guevara, that's not white.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 02:15 PM (fuK7c)

357 The UK should have turned over Hong Kong to Taiwan. "No, we made this treaty with the legitimate government. That's the Republic, not you."
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 02:14 PM (J+mig)


The reality is that Hong Kong is indefensible for either the UK or Taiwan if the PRC wanted to take it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 02:16 PM (rAa90)

358 "Identity politics sorts people like Hikaru and JackStraw into separate boxes and forces them into opposition"

real history has real identities ... that is NOT identity politics.


Real history also does not force people into boxes, it allows people to choose, and maybe develop a better culture. Founders saw problems with the 30 years war ... tried to remove the Government use of religion as a weapon to demand submission. They went to war with whites, their own people.


Recognizing heritage and culture, then changing it enough to fit in with Americanism ... all fine and dandy. Now we lose it to the (mostly white) globalists and DeepState. It is Liberty versus bondage ... same was true with Joseph in and out of Egypt ... (I'd guess, fuzzy on those details)


To say all cultures are equal is the lie, or now that our culture is responsible for all the world's problems ... more lies. That is the box "they" want to push us into .. the HateAmericaFirst box.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2019 02:16 PM (Cus5s)

359 "I would like to be heard on this issue."

=====

Personal Point of Privilege.....
Ace would like to have the floor..............
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 02:09 PM


* uptwinkles *

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Posted by: J. Woke Moron at August 20, 2019 02:16 PM (RDc5h)

360 Pish. Your name is Guevara, that's not white.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 02:15 PM (fuK7c)


Argentinians aren't white? They're mostly Italians and Spaniards. Or are they not white?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 02:17 PM (rAa90)

361 >>"What is the one demographic group you can deprecate with utter impunity, at any time, for any reason, in any venue whatsoever, without attracting a scintilla of opprobrium?"

Bingo.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 02:17 PM (ZLI7S)

362 Wrong. All are Caucasians. Forensic pathologists cannot distinguish between skeletons of those groups, but can do so re other groups.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 20, 2019 02:14 PM (rAa90)

Forensic pathologists don't get to decide who a people are, or who they are not. Each group gets to exclude or include whomever they want and it doesn't have to meet any particular scientific standard.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 20, 2019 02:19 PM (ltuaO)

363 Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 02:11 PM (fuK7c)

I generally put the foundations of Western Civilization on three legs:

1) Judaism (it took Christianity to spread it through Europe)

2) Greek philosophy

3) Roman governance and expansionism

I would throw Viking culture in for a strong honorable mention.

Judaism (religiously and in law) and the Greeks established the individualistic bases of the West, which was really the key and what distinguished the West from the rest of the world.

The West is distinguished in large part by its individualistic nature, its drive for expansion, and its organization of society about advancement (versus stability or any of the other main organizing principles that other societies used, adn still use).

You can see the difference because the Chinese had all the major inventions long before the West but because of the differences in culture never exploited or spread any of their inventions. The Chinese didn't lack intelligence or genius. They lacked the culture to support the exploitation of genius. And that makes all the difference in the world.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 02:20 PM (k4bRG)

364 283 White isn't an ethnic group and it's typically unclear which peoples its supposed to encompass and which groups it doesn't

(Germanic/Nordic,

White

Slavic,

Borderline. Probably not white.

Mediterranean[which includes many Middle Easterners/North Africa],

Not white.

Mesopotamian, Persia, and Indian are rough cultural categories).

Way not white.

So, do we give the wogs temporary white status for the contributions they made to white civilization?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 01:52 PM (fuK7c)



Generally, there are 4 (or 5 depending on who you read) racial groups


There are 4 racial groups:

1) Caucasoid

2) Negroid

3) Mongoloid

4) Australoid

Bonus! 5) Pacific Islanders


Every group you mentioned are Caucasoid or "white".

Surprise! "White includes a fairly wide range of skin colors.

Every little ethnic group wants to be a "race" but guess what, you're not.


Honestly, I think it's stupid to have "racial pride" cuz I didn't invent any of that stuff nor do I care what my ancestors did or did not do in the past good or bad as I didn't (again) do any of it.

Bu-u-u-u-u-u-u-ut, the left seems to be driving us toward racial war.

That's what we're going to get....Hyper-"racial" sensitivity for jackasses of various ethnic groups.



Posted by: naturalfake at August 20, 2019 02:22 PM (SHtRW)

365 "Forensic pathologists don't get to decide who a people are, or who they are not. Each group gets to exclude or include whomever they want and it doesn't have to meet any particular scientific standard."

I'll take "What is Gender" for $100.00, Alex

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 02:22 PM (cqNba)

366 What is the one demographic group you can deprecate with utter impunity, at any time, for any reason, in any venue whatsoever, without attracting a scintilla of opprobrium?"

Bingo.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 02:17 PM (ZLI7S

----------

This. This is the key problem.

When my Hispanic ex-girlfriend (a Hillary voter, now a Trump supporter) and I were talking about the broad white support for Trump, I tried to explain this. She didn't understand then (because she's not an anti-white racist), but she gets it now.

I told her "Look - if the broader culture tells an entire group of people day in and day out, for years, that they suck, they're the worst, they're responsible for everything bad, and it's totes cool to degrade them publicly, they might stop wanting to hear it. And if someone comes along who tells them they have value and don't suck more than anyone else, they are going to turn to that guy."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 02:23 PM (eGEVz)

367 Ancient Egyptians -- not white
Ancient Greeks -- not white
Desert Jews 1.0 -- not white
Desert Jews 2.0 -- not white
Romans -- bordering on white
Renaissance artists -- mostly white
Enlightenment thinkers -- white

Very specific.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 02:11 PM (fuK7c)[/]i


Sorry, all of those people were Caucasian. (I have no idea where the black Egypt myth originated). They were not Nordic White or Germanic White or Anglo Saxon White, or Baltic White, but Mediterranean peoples still count as "White" (Olive? Off white?)

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 02:23 PM (ujg0T)

368 Argentinians aren't white? They're mostly Italians and Spaniards. Or are they not white?


Argentinians are very much white, though they're more likely to be named Strassner or Garibaldi than Guevara.

White is -- I hate to use the term -- a social construct. Picture yourself a country club in the pre-Mad Men era. Are you going to let in an Indian, and Egyptian? A Europeanized Jew, a Desert Jew? A Sicilian? Moroccan?

You can tell me that forensic pathologists can't tell the difference between their bones and I will tell you that they're not getting in to the club because they're not white.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 02:24 PM (fuK7c)

369 What is the one demographic group you can deprecate with utter impunity, at any time, for any reason, in any venue whatsoever, without attracting a scintilla of opprobrium?"

A lot of that is because whites just don't care about being called names. They just don't. Does anyone really give a shit if someone calls him "cracker" or "honkey" or "gringo"? No.

If you tell a white guy that Japanese score higher on intelligence tests he isn't mad or offended but will likely respond with, "Yeah, they're smart little fuckers, aren't they?"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2019 02:28 PM (k4bRG)

370 White is -- I hate to use the term -- a social construct. Picture yourself a country club in the pre-Mad Men era. Are you going to let in an Indian, and Egyptian? A Europeanized Jew, a Desert Jew? A Sicilian? Moroccan?

You can tell me that forensic pathologists can't tell the difference between their bones and I will tell you that they're not getting in to the club because they're not white.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 02:24 PM (fuK7c)



Which just goes to show how far we have come. Once upon a time a WASP was not a Mick, let alone a Polack or a Wop. Now they are all "White".

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 02:37 PM (ujg0T)

371 That's like saying John Deere tractors ruined Iowa.

Posted by: Puddin Head

----------------------------
Speaking of John Deere, one of the guys at my VFW (Marine who served at Khe Sanh) said he was looking at buying a new combine. John Deere price was $1 million. He bought a CAT for $550,000. Farming isn't cheap.

Posted by: Jolo at August 20, 2019 03:04 PM (WrMOC)

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