The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

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I heard a snippet of an interview of Charlie Kirk yesterday on The Dennis Prager radio show, and he spoke of a hidden reservoir of socialists in America, in particular on college campuses. Kirk is a bit of a firebrand and an opportunist, but he is also a fighter, for which I respect him. And I agree about the oozing pustule of socialism in this country. Of course the source of the current infection is academia, but there has always been a small vein of populism/socialism in America, often in otherwise idyllic areas (Iowa...what the hell is wrong with you?).

But this iteration, particularly the campus version, is a new breed, because by no stretch of the imagination is there any existential crisis of wealth disparity in America, which is the traditional argument for traditional socialism. In spite of the insane blatherings of Clamydia Harris and the insane old man from Vermont and Liawatha Warren, America is safe and rich. Hell, even our poor are fat and have flat-screen TVs and cars. As far as I can tell, the current argument is that market economics is a mean poo-poo head, and we should get rid of it so we can all have pet unicorns and free medical care and a guaranteed basic living minimum wage with abortions on tap and no guns and a benevolent central government that will wipe our asses because with Lesbian Poetry degrees none of us can do a damned thing for ourselves..

Kirk fears a Democrat nominee (he thinks it will be Warren) who can galvanize these people into a voting bloc, instead of what we would normally get, which is a split vote between the Greens and the dope-smoking pseudo-libertarians and the far-left wackadoodle candidates.

He thinks President Trump will win, but he is also not climbing on board the Trump-Wins-In-Landslide train. And I agree with him. A clever Democrat campaign will make it a closely contested election, and we are fooling ourselves if we expect the Democrat machine to concede anything.

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Yeah...Twitter suspended me, and I have no idea why. Hopefully it was triggering and insulting to some weak-kneed SJW or progressive pundit. Aside from taking the occasional pot-shot at an idiot, I don't miss it at all.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM




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1 meep meep motherfuckinghampsterfuckers

Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 11:01 AM (d7Ww2)

2 Hello, CBD.

Posted by: bluebell at August 20, 2019 11:01 AM (aXucN)

3 Yo

Posted by: Ha at August 20, 2019 11:02 AM (MAstk)

4 Hi. Nice to get a new thread. A break from carving up the Republic. Democrats Always get behind their candidate, CBD.

Posted by: kraken at August 20, 2019 11:03 AM (bCLt0)

5 "hidden reservoir of socialists in America"

Oh. It's hidden, is it?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at August 20, 2019 11:03 AM (VJZgq)

6 I don't see Trump winning in a landslide either - I think the days of that kind of thing are long over.

I just want him to win. I don't care how close the final outcome is, as long as it goes to him. Okay, I'd love it not to be a nailbiter, but beggars can't be choosers.

Posted by: bluebell at August 20, 2019 11:03 AM (aXucN)

7 "there has always been a small vein of populism/socialism in America"


Yes, because of Christianity. There *should* always be a vein of it that we have to resist turning into governmental action. Because without it, we've turned away from any care for our neighbor at all.

Posted by: GWB at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (3mQnF)

8 The left is going all in on this next election because if they win there is no chance of them giving up power.

Posted by: Hyman Roth at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (88xKn)

9 Huh, Top Ten.

Posted by: GWB at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (3mQnF)

10 "Yeah...Twitter suspended me, and I have no idea why. Hopefully it was triggering and insulting to some weak-kneed SJW or progressive pundit. Aside from taking the occasional pot-shot at an idiot, I don't miss it at all."
i miss my fake friends .....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (0O7c5)

11 Warren, eh? Well, could be. Maybe a Warren/Harris ticket. Feel the estrogen, America!!!!!

Posted by: IC at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (a0IVu)

12
Twitter suspended me, and I have no idea why.

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I do.

Jack Dorsey is a smug pompous neofascist wanna be mover and shaker dickhole.... that's why.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (8XRCm)

13 I get the feeling Clamydia knows she's the VP pick of any of the whitey noms cuz she's sorta colored and is okay with that.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 11:05 AM (2LelM)

14 There will be no Trump landslide. If he wins--and I think it's a dodgy proposition now--it will be close enough for shenanigans.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 11:05 AM (RD7QR)

15 And I too doubt that Trump wins in a landslide. Do not see why that would be the case.... I need to be shown, how, and where, that could occur.

Posted by: kraken at August 20, 2019 11:05 AM (bCLt0)

16 Twitter will not communicate it just excommunicates.

Posted by: torabora at August 20, 2019 11:05 AM (Y274z)

17 Lots of political chess pieces being moved on the board.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:05 AM (cqNba)

18 Warren, eh? Well, could be. Maybe a Warren/Harris ticket. Feel the estrogen, America!!!!!
Posted by: IC at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (a0IVu)
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The All-Nag ticket. What's not to like?

Posted by: bluebell at August 20, 2019 11:05 AM (aXucN)

19 A clever Democrat campaign will make it a closely contested election,
and we are fooling ourselves if we expect the Democrat machine to
concede anything.

I largely agree with the Punk Monkey's thesis, but I think I find the flaw in the reasoning right there.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:05 AM (77WPm)

20 8
The left is going all in on this next election because if they win there is no chance of them giving up power.

Posted by: Hyman Roth at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (88xKn)
Still believing (hoping?) that most of America is still centrist, their leftism won't play out successfully.
The $100k question is what does the left do when they lose in 2020?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 20, 2019 11:05 AM (N39Ws)

21 Are African Americans really going to turn out for Warren?

Trump might do better among blacks in 2020 than he did against Hillary if she's the nominee. Which is all he'd need to do to win.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 11:06 AM (KUaJL)

22 I think Trump loses a few of the states he won last time, and picks up a few - winning by the same EV count or a little less.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 20, 2019 11:06 AM (O8WFE)

23 FB is jailing without explaination. And over nothing. You just get targeted.

Posted by: torabora at August 20, 2019 11:06 AM (Y274z)

24 Maybe a Warren/Harris ticket.

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Fake Native American
Fake African American

What could possibly go wrong.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 11:06 AM (8XRCm)

25 Democrats always get behind their candidate because they are not allowed to think for themselves. The classrooms, HOA boards, city counsels, soccer teams..all have been carefully manipulated to breed conformity.

Conservatives are free thinkers, we bicker and argue. If we demanded conformity, like the Dems do, we would be just as bad as they are.

Posted by: comrade nurse ratched at August 20, 2019 11:07 AM (d7Ww2)

26 Kinda hard to picture Liz winning, although she is very canny. Comes from Massachusetts. Harvard professor. Awkward when she tries to be passionate. No name cache. Too far left. Not personable.

Posted by: Caliban at August 20, 2019 11:07 AM (QE8X6)

27 Do not see why that would be the case.... I need to be shown, how, and where, that could occur.

Posted by: kraken at August 20, 2019 11:05 AM (bCLt0)

Then challenge the people around here who bury their heads in the sand and refuse to see anything other than a resounding Trump victory.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:07 AM (wYseH)

28 While I don't think it will be a McGovern or Dukakis level of loss, I honestly don't see Trump losing. If they go with Warren, the Sandernistas will run a third party. And Warren, in spite of her recent non-apology, is still a grifter that gamed racial politics to feather her nest. Everybody knows this about her, except people who get their info entirely from CNN-like sources. The Demonicrats will still win the urban areas, but Trump will even increase his electoral margin. IMHO.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at August 20, 2019 11:08 AM (VJZgq)

29 >>But this iteration, particularly the campus version, is a new breed, because by no stretch of the imagination is there any existential crisis of wealth disparity in America, which is the traditional argument for traditional socialism.

I will once again pimp for people to watch a video of Yuri Bezmenov, a Russian defector who laid out the strategy of subversion and predicted how it would happen in the west, particularly the US.

It's pretty hard to listen to what he was saying back in the 1980's and see where we are today and not think he was spot on. It wasn't magic. It was a plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:08 AM (ZLI7S)

30 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:08 AM (iikV8)

31 The Dems won't make the same mistake twice and will concentrate on the normally Dem states that Hillary took for granted and Trump won. I think Trump will be fortunate enough again to be up against a very unlikable or incompetent candidate to make it a close race. Fingers crossed.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 20, 2019 11:08 AM (+bKWx)

32 Kinda hard to picture Liz winning, although she is very canny. Comes from Massachusetts. Harvard professor. Awkward when she tries to be passionate. No name cache. Too far left. Not personable.
Posted by: Caliban at August 20, 2019 11:07 AM (QE8X6)

Plus, she can't drink beer for shit.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (VJZgq)

33 Warren is Hillary part dieux.

Maybe not quite that level of unlikable, but I mean, judged against Hillary, who could be?



Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (O8WFE)

34 >>Twitter suspended me, and I have no idea why.


Why do you keep plucking that chicken?

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (DDeWs)

35 >>Are African Americans really going to turn out for Warren?

No. Certainly not at the numbers she needs.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (ZLI7S)

36
Then challenge the people around here who bury their heads in the sand and refuse to see anything other than a resounding Trump victory.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:07 AM (wYseH),


Be prepared for butt hurt.


Lot's of butt hurt.

Posted by: Ha at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (MAstk)

37 I doubt Warren will be on the ticket. Her fake-Indian baggage would make it really hard to engage in the usual race-baiting and race-pandering the Dems call a national campaign.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (ppBhU)

38 Trying to game-out the EV scenarios for 2020. I think Biden by far puts the most states in play (thinking MI, PA, WI, NC, FL in that order - which would be enough to get to 270 if he flipped at least 2, and I think any 2).

Honestly having a hard time seeing what states any of the other contenders put in play. Seriously, what states would Lieawatha, The Burn, Willie Brown's ex-side piece, etc. win that Felonious lost? MI? Maybe, I suppose. But beyond that?

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (77WPm)

39 Yes, because of Christianity. There *should* always be a vein of it that we have to resist turning into governmental action. Because without it, we've turned away from any care for our neighbor at all.
Posted by: GWB at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (3mQnF)

well it's also because we've got so many north central europeans, germans and skandi's are all born with the urge to stamp out individuality and have everyone look, act, and think exactly the same. Give the English speaking people credit for celebrating individuality more than anybody else ever has.

think about it- that explain Minnesota.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:10 AM (Kpl3J)

40 It wasn't magic. It was a plan.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:08 AM (ZLI7S)
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Correct.

Posted by: bluebell at August 20, 2019 11:10 AM (aXucN)

41 35 >>Are African Americans really going to turn out for Warren?

No. Certainly not at the numbers she needs.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (ZLI7S)

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Interesting that the candidates that progressive women in NY are the most excited about (Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg) seem to have the most trouble with black voters.

There could be a lesson there about the priorities of the progressive elite and one of the core constituencies of the Democratic Party...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:11 AM (iikV8)

42 Democrats Always get behind their candidate, CBD.
Posted by: kraken at August 20, 2019 11:03 AM


This.

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at August 20, 2019 11:11 AM (TCbSr)

43 7 "there has always been a small vein of populism/socialism in America"

Yes, because of Christianity. There *should* always be a vein of it that we have to resist turning into governmental action. Because without it, we've turned away from any care for our neighbor at all.
Posted by: GWB at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (3mQnF)

Or rather, because of distortions of Christianity. Christ never demanded that Caesar take care of the poor, nor that the Legions open their barracks to the homeless.

Charity is not the function of government, and government "charity" is not virtuous, as it is backed by compulsion and ultimately lethal force. Being compelled to do a thing is morally neutral - there was no choice, no agency.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 11:11 AM (J+mig)

44 t wasn't magic. It was a plan.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:08 AM (ZLI7S)

Is the plan working?

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 20, 2019 11:11 AM (+bKWx)

45 Why do you keep plucking that chicken?

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (DDeWs)

Because it amuses me and I don't care at all. I have no franchise to pimp on Twitter (unlike Kristol), so I can treat it like a beach ball at a stadium...punch it into the crowd or let it fall...it doesn't matter at all.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:11 AM (wYseH)

46 38
Trying to game-out the EV scenarios for 2020. I think Biden by far puts
the most states in play (thinking MI, PA, WI, NC, FL in that order -
which would be enough to get to 270 if he flipped at least 2, and I
think any 2).


Biden will run strong in FL. He'll eat tapioca and drive with his hands above his head on the steering wheel, and his turn signal on. That's gotta be worth a whole lot of votes.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:11 AM (T6t7i)

47 >>Correct.

Alinsky wasn't just a radical. He was first and foremost a diehard communist.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:12 AM (ZLI7S)

48 Monkey Time for monkey shines... So PP turned down the money, Trump pushes them to defund themselves. Winning!

Posted by: zeera Moron Author at August 20, 2019 11:12 AM (T9rmq)

49 /Khan on

Kirk....

/Khan off

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:12 AM (bcbK8)

50 46 38
Trying to game-out the EV scenarios for 2020. I think Biden by far puts
the most states in play (thinking MI, PA, WI, NC, FL in that order -
which would be enough to get to 270 if he flipped at least 2, and I
think any 2).

Biden will run strong in FL. He'll eat tapioca and drive with his hands above his head on the steering wheel, and his turn signal on. That's gotta be worth a whole lot of votes.
Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:11 AM (T6t7i)

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With his dementia, I do wonder how he would play in a general election.

He's going to shit himself between now and the Iowa caucuses in 5+ months, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:12 AM (iikV8)

51 Yeah...Twitter suspended me, and I have no idea why. Hopefully it was triggering and insulting to some weak-kneed SJW or progressive pundit. Aside from taking the occasional pot-shot at an idiot, I don't miss it at all.

Did they not tell you why, or tell you which one of your tweets made you a bad boy?

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:12 AM (JVrQi)

52 >>The All-Nag ticket. What's not to like?


The Scold/Prosecute ticket - yiiiiikes.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:13 AM (bDqIh)

53 Oh and Trump is going to win. Bigly.

Yuge.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:13 AM (bcbK8)

54 Iowa has a streak of socialism? IOWA?

Probably mostly in Des Moines?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:13 AM (ClOmq)

55 I think Charlie Kirk is about 20+ years behind the curve.


All of the ANSWER nonsense in the early 2000's was driven by commie academics; more than a few of my professors back in the day had things like worker's world party pins peeking out from behind clutter on their office bulletin boards.

There was nothing hidden about it; people simply were not paying attention to what was going on in our schools - all of them, not just the colleges.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (67XdO)

56 >>Because it amuses me and I don't care at all.

Good enough reason. Maybe you should set a goal to see how quickly you can get in trouble there. Then the banning is part of the action.

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (DDeWs)

57 I heard that Kirk interview also, CBD. One scary point he made is that if the Dem nominee is far enough Left to garner just 38% of the Green Party vote that went against Hillary in 2016, they can win the following three close states --


Stein votes / Trump margin:
MI: 51,463 / 10,704
PA: 49,678 / 46,765
WI: 31,006 / 22,177


Hopefully that will be more than offset by people waking up and rejecting Communism.

BTW, there was a somewhat related essay in the NY Post recently entitled "Luxury Beliefs are the latest status symbol for rich Americans." It's an interesting take, and certainly a factor, although I think there are
larger ones in the past and continuing degradation of our culture and
society.

https://tinyurl.com/yydzqbjy

Posted by: ShainS -- in registry of disreputable federal law-abiding commenters at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (WqPYg)

58 >>Is the plan working?

For a certain value of working. It led the radicals to take over the Democrat Party. I don't think that spells long term success for them.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (ZLI7S)

59 54 Iowa has a streak of socialism? IOWA?

Probably mostly in Des Moines?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:13 AM (ClOmq)

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Have you heard of how much they love big daddy government telling everyone who drives a car how much of their product to buy?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (iikV8)

60 Far from a "surge", doesn't anyone notice how crappy Warren's numbers still are, even among Democrats? She's a darling of the NYT, the WaPo, and the Boston media. Nobody else likes her, or gives a damn about her. Those papers *love* her, so they are constantly writing articles about "oh she is coming back! Her numbers are so good! And she is brilliant and smart and kind and the most wonderful human being ever!!!"

She's an example of what it looks like when a campaign captures the big megaphones, but has never actually managed to get many grass roots supporters. Getting people to pretend you're popular is just not the same thing as BEING popular, although Dems think it is.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (Kpl3J)

61 Does that mean you're in the Twitter barrel?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (xfb67)

62 Then challenge the people around here who bury their heads in the sand and refuse to see anything other than a resounding Trump victory.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:07 AM


I knew that there was a reason I liked you.

Posted by: Winston Wolfe at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (TCbSr)

63 Is this where we are supposed to meet?

Posted by: AoS eyeore and bake sale society at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (vqIkG)

64 61 Does that mean you're in the Twitter barrel?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (xfb67)

The HQ *is* the twitter barrel.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 11:15 AM (KUaJL)

65 I think the most likely outcome in 2020 is a carbon-copy of 2016. Perhaps 1 state (likely MI) flips blue and perhaps 1-2 (NH, and maybe NV or MN) flip red, with PA, FL and WI staying close to the end but tipping to Trump in the end on the economy.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:15 AM (77WPm)

66 54 Iowa has a streak of socialism? IOWA?

Probably mostly in Des Moines?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:13 AM (ClOmq)

Jah, the urban centers (stop it) and the University towns are very left.

We used to call the state paper, Des Moines Register, the 'Des Moines Red Star' even back in the 80's.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:15 AM (bcbK8)

67 So PP turned down the money, Trump pushes them to defund themselves. Winning!

I don't care if it was Trump himself who came up with this, or clever people that Trump hired (which is the mark of a superior executive). This is Dune level wheels within wheels thinking.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:15 AM (T6t7i)

68 Then challenge the people around here who bury their heads in the sand and refuse to see anything other than a resounding Trump victory.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:07 AM

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I'm not looking past the primary yet.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:15 AM (iikV8)

69 I doubt Warren will be on the ticket. Her fake-Indian baggage would make it really hard to engage in the usual race-baiting and race-pandering the Dems call a national campaign.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (ppBhU)

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All three of the poll leader are seriously flawed.

Joe is, well, senile.
Warren is corrupt and a race liar.
Kamela is the Chief Prosecutor of the African American peoples.

The party movers and shaker are desperately trying to talk somebody like Michelle to jump in and save their ass.... but I dont think she's buying.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 11:15 AM (8XRCm)

70 35 >>Are African Americans really going to turn out for Warren?

No. Certainly not at the numbers she needs.
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This is true for all of them. There's no Magic Negro in this bunch.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 11:16 AM (2LelM)

71 67 So PP turned down the money, Trump pushes them to defund themselves. Winning!

I don't care if it was Trump himself who came up with this, or clever people that Trump hired (which is the mark of a superior executive). This is Dune level wheels within wheels thinking.
Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:15 AM (T6t7i)

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Remember, abortion isn't PP's priority. Helping poor women is the priority.

It's why they turned down money to help women in order to preserve their abortion business.

Or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:16 AM (iikV8)

72 I will once again pimp for people to watch a video
of Yuri Bezmenov, a Russian defector who laid out the strategy of
subversion and predicted how it would happen in the west, particularly
the US.



It's pretty hard to listen to what he was saying back in the 1980's
and see where we are today and not think he was spot on. It wasn't
magic. It was a plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:08 AM (ZLI7S)


^^^^ This.
It's scary to listen to him and realize that The Plan has been trudging alon . . . winning.


Posted by: Passing Commenter at August 20, 2019 11:16 AM (MouFt)

73 Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:09 AM (77WPm)
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Good Lord !!! Slow Joe Bidet can have a "rally" without stepping on his dick. his own people are thinking about doing a lot less "Rallies" so he doesn't step on his own dick

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (BqBId)

74 Have you heard of how much they love big daddy government telling everyone who drives a car how much of their product to buy?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (iikV

This isn't meant to be a defense of Iowans, but that's just old fashioned graft. I think anyone, even those in state, who can take a moment to be honest with themselves realizes that whole program is nothing but a massive series of bribes that Iowa is able to extort from both coasts on account of their established position in the Presidential primary race. As long as the nation is on a knife's edge politically, their extortion racket can go on.

And Grassley is the Grifter in Chief.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (Kpl3J)

75 WI staying close to the end but tipping to Trump in the end on the economy.


Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:15 AM (77WPm)



We have a LaFollette as Sec of State. Watch the voter fraud.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (lwiT4)

76 Biden flipping FL? Huh? Based on current conditions/politics?


But I don't think "socialism" or academia or any of that has anything to do with it. Recall Obama's "campaign", to the extent there was one. He sounded like a moderate Midwest Dem of the 8Os, a Paul Simon. All lies and b.s., of course, but the point is - Dem tribal voting is 95% of their "base" - not "issues" - or real issues, anyway.


Tons of suburbanites will vote against Trump even though ever one of his policies is a boon to them and theirs - people who think the "news" is actually the news, NPR listeners, MFM consumers. Add in the racist tribal bloc [tho it's likely to be weakened and unmotivated], and self-dealing govt. employees, along with the usual dumb young people/college students.



Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (QDnY+)

77 You may not care about what happens in California but California is coming for you and is going to make you care:

California Assembly Resolution Calls for Banks to Refuse to Lend to Gun Manufacturers and Retailers https://t.co/nLH6lhptLS

The purpose of Kamlager-Dove's bill is "to affect the proliferation of guns by urging six nationally chartered banks to curtail their relationships with gun manufacturers. If major banks refuse to extend credit to gun manufacturers, borrowing costs for gun manufacturers would likely increase, which could reduce industry investment in additional capacity or new business lines. Such a result could reduce the proliferation of guns not only in California, but also across state lines,"

"Kamlager-Dove continued: "You cannot have a gun if the gun has not been made. You cannot sell a gun that has not been made. The reality is there are 400 million guns in this country. So everyone still has an opportunity to at least have one. The other reality is, we live in a free-market society. So, I think it is presumptuous to say, 'if you cannot go to one lending institution, then your opportunity to manufacturer a gun is shot.' That's kind of the incentive to living in a free market, capitalistic society."

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (9BmSv)

78 >>Yeah...Twitter suspended me, and I have no idea why.


How hard would it be for, say, the FCC require these entities to post a set, detailed and specific TOC, to provide a specific reason for suspension when it happens, and an established process for challenging a suspension *that includes speaking to a live person who provides their full name*???

This is how business has been done in other industries forever, yet these companies get away with arbitrary, secret, permanent suspensions without recourse.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (bDqIh)

79 Hot take: the "Bernie Bros" democrats, those young millenial dudes that really like his talk about socialism aren't going to vote for a woman this time, for the same reason they didn't vote for Hillary in 16: they're sexist.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (KUaJL)

80 Iowa has a streak of socialism? IOWA?

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Yep. I grew up there and its definitely drifted leftward over the last 30 years. Huge farm subsidies tend to make one in favor of huge government, plus its been infected by whatever disease ravishes Minnesota.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (8XRCm)

81 Re: Iowa: farm subsidies and converting food into bad fuel.

Posted by: Lance McCormick, speaking in sentence fragments today at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (htYvY)

82 ...we can all have pet unicorns and free medical care...


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Do unicorns come in pony size? If so, I want to get my name on the list now, 'cause that would be totally cool.

Posted by: Muldoon at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (mvenn)

83 Good Lord !!! Slow Joe Bidet can have a "rally"
without stepping on his dick. his own people are thinking about doing a
lot less "Rallies" so he doesn't step on his own dick

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (BqBId)

And the number of low-info-voters who will see Gropey step on his dick? Don't forget, the Dem nominee will get 3-4 points of air-cover from the "Real News Media" in any and every state that counts.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (77WPm)

84 There are always stupid political factions, full of stupid people. The trick is not to allow the stupid to join and form a critical mass of stupid.

Divide and Conquer!


Posted by: Archer at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (gmo/4)

85 And I'm not blind to the Socialists.
I buy ammo. And I live near Seattle and in striking distance to Portland.

But the Democratic candidates on offer are incompetent at running. None of them have the skill to handle Trump.

Worry about 2024. I am. 2020, Trump has it. He will mock, hustle and charm.

Am I worried about voter fraud? Oh yes. Yesyesyes. Again, I live in WA state, home of some of the most blatant vote fraud in modern times. But I don't think The Dems can cheat hard enough nationally.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (bcbK8)

86 Is there a difference between Stupid Joe Biden and Slipping Into Dementia Joe Biden?

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (II6Oo)

87 I want a ponicorn!

Posted by: Muldoon at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (mvenn)

88 The number of newly minted socialists coming out of academia may not be enough to tank 2020. It will be close and I wouldn't put it past the GOPe to throw the election to spite Trump.

It's the election in 2024 that I worry about.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (PlceE)

89 Iowa is full of Norwegians. Better than Swedes, but still.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (lwiT4)

90 43
7 "there has always been a small vein of populism/socialism in America"



Yes, because of Christianity. There *should* always be a vein of it
that we have to resist turning into governmental action. Because without
it, we've turned away from any care for our neighbor at all.

Posted by: GWB at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (3mQnF)



Or rather, because of distortions of Christianity. Christ never
demanded that Caesar take care of the poor, nor that the Legions open
their barracks to the homeless.



Charity is not the function of government, and government "charity"
is not virtuous, as it is backed by compulsion and ultimately lethal
force. Being compelled to do a thing is morally neutral - there was no
choice, no agency.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 11:11 AM (J+mig)


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Exactly. BTW, there is a Prager University video called "Was Jesus a Socialist?"

Posted by: ShainS -- in registry of disreputable federal law-abiding commenters at August 20, 2019 11:19 AM (WqPYg)

91 Iowa has a streak of socialism? IOWA?

Probably mostly in Des Moines?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius


Talk about cutting farm subsidies and ethanol production.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 11:19 AM (3oX+R)

92 I'm almost worried we see some EV vote shenanigans where Trump 'wins', but then the states vote against him due to popular vote crap and somehow he magically loses. And then the whole thing gets tied up in courts and it becomes a giant shit show that makes 2000 look like a tempest in a teacup.

Posted by: Gaff at August 20, 2019 11:19 AM (jPS2y)

93 Yuri Bezmenov full interview on Youtube. You can find 13 mins of it on yt too if you want a taste.
https://tinyurl.com/nrzohc7


Posted by: Passing Commenter at August 20, 2019 11:19 AM (MouFt)

94 With his dementia, I do wonder how he would play in a general election.



He's going to shit himself between now and the Iowa caucuses in 5+ months, though.


Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:12 AM

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I don't think it is going to be biden. biden can't keep up with Trump. Heck even his own campaign guys are saying he fades in the afternoon/evening and are adjusting his schedule accordingly to reduce the number of gaffes.


If you think that Trump won't run with that, you are being naive.



I think the msm had at first picked harris but her numbers with black voters barely crack 1% and any democrat can't win with that low of support from the black community. I am fairly certain they have finally settled on warren.


They can't run sanders because that gives Trump a metric a$$ ton of free attack ads already made up with sanders own socialist words. Plus all he does is scream at debates and Trump would destroy him with that.


It's all a moot point at this stage. Once some of the lower tier candidates start dropping out after Iowa and New Hampshire we will see where things are settling out then.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 20, 2019 11:19 AM (JUOKG)

95 He thinks President Trump will win, but he is also not climbing on board the Trump-Wins-In-Landslide train. And I agree with him. A clever Democrat campaign will make it a closely contested election, and we are fooling ourselves if we expect the Democrat machine to concede anything.

The fraud machine will be running full throttle with nitro boost.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (NWiLs)

96 He's going to s*** himself between now and the Iowa caucuses in 5+ months, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba


I'd like to see how the SS handles that situation.

"Code brown! Everyone back to the motorcade!"

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (T6t7i)

97 >> So PP turned down the money, Trump pushes them to defund themselves. Winning!


Stupid, bigoted, misogynistic Trump stumbles into another lucky political win, huh?

#Winning

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (bDqIh)

98 Talk about cutting farm subsidies and ethanol production.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 11:19 AM (3oX+R)

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That and the Eco Green Weanies have made HUGE inroads in the state.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (8XRCm)

99 well it's also because we've got so many north central europeans,
germans and skandi's are all born with the urge to stamp out
individuality and have everyone look, act, and think exactly the same
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My own opinion is that the strong 'socialist' strain in Midwestern states is because of the cold weather. A certain amount of cooperation is really necessary -- not so much in more temperate climes.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (MIKMs)

100 Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (77WPm)
*******
Good Lord take your Meds ! those people would vote for Satan if he had a D after his name

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (BqBId)

101 If there wasn't cheating, Trump would win fairly soundly. But after the 2016 midterms, who knows what will happen. How many seat (30+??) were called for the R but then flipped D after the "recount." (And the Rs challenged none of them.) If you don't think that's going to happen in 2020 on a scale never before seen, I have some waterfront property in Arizona to sell you. I will be shocked if the outcome is so solid that is *not* contested by either side.

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (/5WQL)

102 "A clever Democrat campaign will make it a closely contested election, and we are fooling ourselves if we expect the Democrat machine to concede anything."

I worry very much that the Fed is waiting for the right moment to pull the rug out from under the economy by creating a temporary crisis late spring/early summer of next year. Nothing says Deep State like those guys.

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (66rlH)

103 Back to the biden fear? I'm hoping some of you people who are lighting yer hair on fire will post vids on youtube.

Very entertaining to watch hair burn.

Posted by: AoS DooM and bake sale society at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (vqIkG)

104 While the Campus Commiecrats are horrid, and their blatherings about "inequality" are disingenuous as usual, there IS an underlying anxiety in many American people and, yes, the middle class has been "losing ground" in terms of income *and* wealth. (Hat tip to Charles Murray for that book and for "Coming Apart", and yes, for the Bell Curve, which was badly represented by the apparatchik media).

The traditional economic, cultural, family, and other support structures have been knocked down. Of course, the leftists are often themselves to blame for this, but the pain and the anxiety in much of Middle America is STILL there, and we on the Right ignore this at our peril.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (ujg0T)

105 The RNC raised nearly $21 million in July, the most they have ever raised in a July off election year cycle. In July 2017 $10.6 million.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (ZLI7S)

106 Or rather, because of distortions of Christianity.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 11:11 AM (J+mig)


Not necessarily. Yes, the distortion comes when you turn it from the grace of a self-organizing community into a governmental law.

But, the desire to live in community and to not let anyone go without in that community has to be there for "love thy neighbor" to be in effect. But, not forcing your neighbor to do the same.

Posted by: GWB at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (3mQnF)

107 If I were a Democrat, I'd say nominate a sacrificial lamb (ie Biden) who will make a good fight and save my better candidate for 2024. But Warren is 70 now and she's gonna run out of steam by then, so I think she'll want to go for it, and I think if she can tone down the "eat your vegetables" hectoring, she could take the nomination.

Harris is a disaster. She should have been running on Biden's track: a safe law and order "centrist", but I guess she's stupid or something, and really blew her chance.

Take off and nuke it from orbit. it's the only safe way to do it.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (CPk08)

108 Iowa is full of Norwegians. Better than Swedes, but still.

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Germans. Lots and Lots of Germans. THe NE part of the state is HUGELY Catholic too.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (8XRCm)

109 Did they not tell you why, or tell you which one of your tweets made you a bad boy?

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:12 AM (JVrQi)

Nope. No communication at all. I think it's because I am Jewish!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (wYseH)

110 83 Good Lord !!! Slow Joe Bidet can have a "rally"
without stepping on his dick. his own people are thinking about doing a
lot less "Rallies" so he doesn't step on his own dick

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:17 AM (BqBId)

And the number of low-info-voters who will see Gropey step on his dick? Don't forget, the Dem nominee will get 3-4 points of air-cover from the "Real News Media" in any and every state that counts.
Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (77WPm)

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At the moment, few people are really paying that much attention to this stuff. We're almost 5 months from the first primary race.

Voters generally don't get engaged until about a month or two before races start. Few people are seeing Biden make an ass of himself. Plus, the field is so large right now, that those who do pay attention have their eyeballs in so many directions, that each individual event doesn't hold much power over them.

The field will winnow, Biden will continue with the pack, but when it's 5 people in January/February and voters are actually paying attention, Biden drooling all over himself is going to have a larger impact on polls than it is now.

Polls at this point are curios to be laughed at and little else. We're way too far from the start of the election season to put too much stock in them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (iikV8)

111 We have a clear choice: communism or capitalism. If the election is close we are lost. Civil war. Secession inevitable with mass deportations.
Slavery or freedom. That is the choice. The made-up freedoms the leftards offer are not freedom, they are privelages granted by the government , which may be rescended on a whim.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (7jTtI)

112 I think more ammo is called for, no matter who wins POTUS.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (88+cf)

113
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (BqBId)

Uh, OK. Gonna be a Yuge Trump Landslide. Bigly. Luxurious.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (77WPm)

114 89 Iowa is full of Norwegians. Better than Swedes, but still.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (lwiT4)

Hey now...

Pirate wench...

*scowly face*
*which is identical to normal Norwegian resting face*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (bcbK8)

115 I honestly don't understand how trucons, FauxCons, expertCons and neverTrumpers can see benefit to the United States in voting for the insane party.

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (II6Oo)

116 Then challenge the people around here who bury their heads in the sand and refuse to see anything other than a resounding Trump victory.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:07 AM (wYseH)


Why is that burying your head in the sand more than any other bit of guesswork? Like Trump won't get any more support from AAs than the likes of Romney?

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 11:22 AM (y7DUB)

117 96 He's going to s*** himself between now and the Iowa caucuses in 5+ months, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba

I'd like to see how the SS handles that situation.

"Code brown! Everyone back to the motorcade!"
Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (T6t7i)

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"Not again! It's been 2 hours!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:22 AM (iikV8)

118 63 Is this where we are supposed to meet?
Posted by: AoS eyeore and bake sale society at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (vqIkG)

Brownies...just bring your brownies here...

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 11:22 AM (RD7QR)

119 Nobody brought this up in the other thread:
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An ink drawing of seven characters emerging from an egg to sing by Bosch exists and is held in Berlin, so experts have now concluded that Concert in the Egg, while clearly using Bosch's style and preparatory drawing, was completed by someone else. As a result, the work has now been attributed to an "anonymous follower of Bosch".
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[url]http://www.hieronymusbosch.net/concert-in-the-egg/[/url]

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 11:22 AM (DuZls)

120 Today's "socialism" is an odd creature. It's not born of hardship and privation, quite the opposite--its origins are in abundance and plenty. It's a philosophy of rich people deciding how to use their resources...and claiming the right to do so with everyone else's.

Actually I take it back, it's not so odd. It's the divine right of kings, by other words and standards. As old as the species, frankly. It is born of entitlement. As such it is, or should be, anathema to Americans. It says a lot about how far we've fallen morally that matters have reached this point.

Is it fixable? Well...yes...but it will take time. And there will be a heavy price.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, just so at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (AM1GF)

121 86 Is there a difference between Stupid Joe Biden and Slipping Into Dementia Joe Biden?
Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at August 20, 2019 11:18 AM (II6Oo)

There was a line from "Seinfeld": I'm looking forward to senility, it'll be a smooth transition.

Posted by: josephistan at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (7HtZB)

122 I don't see anyone who voted for Trump last time, NOT voting for Trump this time. I think he will also gain the reluctant ones from 2016. I don't see anyone exciting on the Dem side. My main concern is voter fraud.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (lwiT4)

123 25 Democrats always get behind their candidate because they are not allowed to think for themselves. The classrooms, HOA boards, city counsels, soccer teams..all have been carefully manipulated to breed conformity.

Conservatives are free thinkers, we bicker and argue. If we demanded conformity, like the Dems do, we would be just as bad as they are.


If you read Huffpo or Democratic Underground they say the exact same thing with the roles reversed.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (qc+VF)

124
Alinsky wasn't just a radical. He was first and foremost a diehard communist.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:12 AM (ZLI7S)

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Americans on the Left and Right have been fascinated by Alinsky because we hadn't seen his kind before he came along, but in Europe he'd have been completely unremarkable.

Alinsky just repackaged the ideas of Gramsci and Marcuse, and other "Frankfurt School" types for a younger American audience, by simplifying their droning, verbose walls of text into pithy one-liners and adding a dash of smut.

He was basically the older, smarter, savvier American version of Rudi Dutschke.

At the end of the day, he was just one of many Commies who landed on the *correct* approach for bringing down the hated West.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (eGEVz)

125 I honestly don't understand how trucons, FauxCons, expertCons and neverTrumpers can see benefit to the United States in voting for the insane party.
Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (II6Oo)

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Have you ever BEEN to a Georgetown Cocktail Party??

~Captain Cuck.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (8XRCm)

126
With his dementia, I do wonder how he would play in a general election.

He's going to shit himself between now and the Iowa caucuses in 5+ months, though.
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I'm with Tucker's assessment. Biden is a deadman walking. None of the others have any way to appeal to PA. Trump should add NH this time around and may pickup MN. I think instead of worrying about the black vote the Dems should start worrying about the Hispanic vote. This will be a low black vote turnout cuz they've nothing to vote for. Hispanics may very well see Trump as the one considering most come from countries with corrupt pols like the Dems.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (2LelM)

127 Politicians of both parties love inventing new boogeymen to scream and rail against to get fat dopes to vote for them in exchange for freebies and living lives of little or no responsibility.

Check out your local Head Start program for details.





Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (Z+IKu)

128 I worry very much that the Fed is waiting for the
right moment to pull the rug out from under the economy by creating a
temporary crisis late spring/early summer of next year. Nothing says
Deep State like those guys.

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (66rlH)

And let Donnie TwoScoops run on "Audit Da Fed". Which ought to be done anyway.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (77WPm)

129 Link that works: http://www.hieronymusbosch.net/concert-in-the-egg/

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (DuZls)

130 11 Warren, eh? Well, could be. Maybe a Warren/Harris ticket. Feel the estrogen, America!!!!!
Posted by: IC at August 20, 2019 11:04 AM (a0IVu)
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I have this feeling Warren is going to have a Howard Dean "Yeeeaaahhh!!" moment on the campaign trail.

Posted by: WisRich at August 20, 2019 11:24 AM (G0vdT)

131 115 I honestly don't understand how trucons, FauxCons, expertCons and neverTrumpers can see benefit to the United States in voting for the insane party.
Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (II6Oo)

They're not thinking about the United States, they're thinking about their careers. That's why I hate them so much: they're so conspicuously mercenary and so clueless about our reaction to it.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 11:24 AM (RD7QR)

132 OT: For you Star Trek nerds, my man Razorfist has a new Deep Space Nine review of 'What We Left Behind' up on the commie bastard slut YouTube.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:24 AM (bcbK8)

133 126 I'm with Tucker's assessment. Biden is a deadman walking. None of the others have any way to appeal to PA. Trump should add NH this time around and may pickup MN. I think instead of worrying about the black vote the Dems should start worrying about the Hispanic vote. This will be a low black vote turnout cuz they've nothing to vote for. Hispanics may very well see Trump as the one considering most come from countries with corrupt pols like the Dems.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (2LelM)

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2016 Hispanic: 66-28.

I'd love that to become 60-40.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:24 AM (iikV8)

134 Good Lord take your Meds ! those people would vote for Satan if he had a D after his name
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM


Come now. It's my turn!

Posted by: Hillary! at August 20, 2019 11:24 AM (TCbSr)

135 No offense to sluts everywhere.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:25 AM (bcbK8)

136 I am fairly certain they have finally settled on warren.

Maybe, but how would you like to have that grating, shrieking crone be your BEST choice?

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:25 AM (T6t7i)

137 I will once again pimp for people to watch a video
of Yuri Bezmenov, a Russian defector who laid out the strategy of
subversion and predicted how it would happen in the west, particularly
the US.



It's pretty hard to listen to what he was saying back in the 1980's
and see where we are today and not think he was spot on. It wasn't
magic. It was a plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:08 AM (ZLI7S)


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Thanks, Jack. I've seen that within the past year, likely at your urging. Remarkable.

Posted by: ShainS -- in registry of disreputable federal law-abiding commenters at August 20, 2019 11:25 AM (WqPYg)

138 132 OT: For you Star Trek nerds, my man Razorfist has a new Deep Space Nine review of 'What We Left Behind' up on the commie bastard slut YouTube.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:24 AM (bcbK

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That does look interesting, that documentary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:25 AM (iikV8)

139 Yep. I grew up there and its definitely drifted leftward over the last 30 years. Huge farm subsidies tend to make one in favor of huge government, plus its been infected by whatever disease ravishes Minnesota.

..

Well Trump won easily and the Gop controls the governorship and both houses in the legislature. Plus both Senate seats.


But to be fair the Gop is also for big govt.

Posted by: Ha at August 20, 2019 11:25 AM (MAstk)

140 Hillary has a 99% chance of winning against that old, white, lying criminal in 2020.

Posted by: I'm Still With Her at August 20, 2019 11:25 AM (H4Mxf)

141 I have this feeling Warren is going to have a Howard Dean "Yeeeaaahhh!!" moment on the campaign trail.
Posted by: WisRich at August 20, 2019 11:24 AM (G0vdT)

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Thats my War Whoop, paleface.

~Liz Warin'

Posted by: fixerupper at August 20, 2019 11:25 AM (8XRCm)

142 We have a clear choice: communism or capitalism. If
the election is close we are lost. Civil war. Secession inevitable with
mass deportations.

Slavery or freedom. That is the choice. The made-up freedoms the
leftards offer are not freedom, they are privelages granted by the
government , which may be rescended on a whim.


Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM

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I am going to call my broker and have him invest heavily in fainting couches. Whichever way November 2020 goes that market is going to go through the roof.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 20, 2019 11:25 AM (JUOKG)

143 Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (77WPm)
*****
No I just said the LIV will vote for Satan if he had a D after his name, But thanks for playing continue to soil you undies

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:26 AM (BqBId)

144 Then challenge the people around here who bury their heads in the sand and refuse to see anything other than a resounding Trump victory.


I don't see it as resounding, but I do see a Trump victory. Probably narrower than before now that the Dems have been shown what the electoral college is.

He wins because we haven't exhausted the revenge of the Normals, or the Deplorables as they would have it.

But this is a country of pendulum swings and it's going to be a Dem in 2024. People get sick of even presidents they like after eight years. I'm not as dedicated to hate as the Horde average and I more or less liked both Clinton and W but I was royally sick of them by year eight. Never mind how I felt about Obama.

So my main interest in this round is who they put up and what do they learn from defeat. I expect it will be a socialist. Do they go moderate in 2024?

And there is no successor to Trump. He's not a Republican. He is sui generis. And he's not ideological. The one possible legacy for the GOP is that he's shown them that fighting works.

Whether that will be a lesson learned is another thing.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 11:26 AM (fuK7c)

145 Seriously, what states would Lieawatha, The Burn, Willie Brown's ex-side piece, etc. win that Felonious lost? MI? Maybe, I suppose. But beyond that?

Either MI or PA is a good possibility, I'm afraid. He may pick up a New Hampshire or a Nevada, but that's a net loss in the EV. Still think he'll win, but it will not be a landslide. Could be closer than last time.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 20, 2019 11:26 AM (O8WFE)

146 "And let Donnie TwoScoops run on "Audit Da Fed". Which ought to be done anyway."

Well, let's hope so. Don't know if he'd win that battle but if ya gotta die on a hill, that would be a good one.

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2019 11:26 AM (66rlH)

147 104 While the Campus Commiecrats are horrid, and their blatherings about "inequality" are disingenuous as usual, there IS an underlying anxiety in many American people and, yes, the middle class has been "losing ground" in terms of income *and* wealth. (Hat tip to Charles Murray for that book and for "Coming Apart", and yes, for the Bell Curve, which was badly represented by the apparatchik media).

The traditional economic, cultural, family, and other support structures have been knocked down. Of course, the leftists are often themselves to blame for this, but the pain and the anxiety in much of Middle America is STILL there, and we on the Right ignore this at our peril.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (ujg0T)

Trump won primarily because he addressed that - that the average American is falling behind.

What needs to be added is that a tiny coastal pseudo-arostocracy is bleeding us dry for its own parasitic sustenance, and dreams of global hegemony.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 11:26 AM (J+mig)

148 I can't imagine Elizabeth Warren doing that well. She won't energize anyone but coastal college students. She's not even as compelling as Bernie.

Posted by: Panchito Pistoles at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (aYVBT)

149 Hey everyone just popped in to say everything is okay. Swamped at work.. will see ya later.

Posted by: jewells45 at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (BLT3V)

150 I think the msm had at first picked harris but her numbers with black voters barely crack 1% and any democrat can't win with that low of support from the black community. I am fairly certain they have finally settled on warren.

Somehow Obama cracked the 'black code' that Harris hasn't. Maybe it's the white Jewish lawyer husband. Maybe it's her craven political history in California. Maybe it's that they see her as more Brahmin Indian than black.

Neither one of them had any 'African-American' history in this country that predated JFK, both were products of privileged couplings involving foreign 'black' fathers, both spent much of their upbringing outside the US, neither one of them was 'African-American' until - oh, affirmative action college admissions! Then you're on the gravy train.

He made the sale, she hasn't.

Posted by: JEM at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (8erNz)

151
I don't see anyone who voted for Trump last time, NOT voting for Trump this time. I think he will also gain the reluctant ones from 2016. I don't see anyone exciting on the Dem side. My main concern is voter fraud.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (lwiT4)

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All of this. It all depends on driving turnout. If Trump can get a good turnout, the Maoists haven't got a chance. If he can't, they'll defraud their way to victory.

I think he's up to the task.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (eGEVz)

152 136
I am fairly certain they have finally settled on warren.

Maybe, but how would you like to have that grating, shrieking crone be your BEST choice?


Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:25 AM (T6t7i)

Hey. Don't be a h8ter.

Posted by: Ashley DuCracken, Secretary General, Shrieking Crone Society of America at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (CPk08)

153 BTW, there is a Prager University video called "Was Jesus a Socialist?"


Posted by: ShainS -- in registry of disreputable federal law-abiding commenters at August 20, 2019 11:19 AM (WqPYg)


The issue, I think, is predicated on "socialist" meaning "requires gov't taking from others to make it work." Jesus was absolutely a socialist in the likely-most-populist-notion of 'socialist' meaning everybody shares out of love for their neighbor. He was most certainly NOT a socialist in the Marxist concept. (That confusion, IMO, is why so many people think socialism is OK.)

Socialism DOES work. As long as you eliminate human nature (AKA sin). That's what makes a forced socialism so friggin' evil.

Posted by: GWB at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (3mQnF)

154 They're not thinking about the United States, they're thinking about their careers. That's why I hate them so much: they're so conspicuously mercenary and so clueless about our reaction to it.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 11:24 AM (RD7QR)


That's the only answer which makes sense. The funny thing is they're on the outside forever because no one will trust them and whichever moneybags is funding them will eventually tire of throwing it away.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (y7DUB)

155 Joe Biden's argumentative way of debating would be difficult for someone who's not used to it, but once you're familiar with his schtick, it's not threatening. He's sort of like all those run-happy quarterbacks that are so good in college but get to the NFL and after 2 years are out because pro defenses have figured them out. Trump will have over a year of Biden as oppo research for debates, and fighting fire with fire is a much better strategy than trying to play it cool (see Ryan v. Biden in 0.

Biden is the guy who sees that all the guys who are good with girls seem like jerks and reasons that to be alpha, he needs to be a jerk too. Unfortunately for him, Trump actually *is* alpha, so the difference between an act and the real thing is going to be stark when compared against one another.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (KUaJL)

156 You know what they say about predictions?

Predictions are like assholes, everyone has them and they smell like Don Lemon's fingers.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (xfb67)

157 Banks should not lend to commies.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (C1nyg)

158 Don't know if it's off topic or not but by the time I read the thread to find out we'll be over 500 and I'll get willowed.

When Trump was building in NY he regularly had to deal with Mob thugs and Union goons. Now he deals with Congress critters and feddle bureaucrats. What a social and moral comedown.

Posted by: Vlad the implaer, whittling away like mad at August 20, 2019 11:28 AM (dmoiP)

159 Is there going to be a point when the media tries to humanize Warren?

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at August 20, 2019 11:28 AM (II6Oo)

160
Iowa has a streak of socialism? IOWA?



Probably mostly in Des Moines?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

wasn't there always a weird Mid West socialist/populist strain? I remember reading about these guys in the 1920s era. I think it was the Wisconsin Iowa region.

No doubt there were always libs and even lefties. There is no sugar coating politics. But something has changed in the last couple of decades. There are millions who want in the country and just as many born here that act as if they want out. Of course they really don't want out, they just want control.

Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 11:28 AM (n13/j)

161 Like Trump won't get any more support from AAs than the likes of Romney?

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 11:22 AM (y7DUB)

Huh? I think that Trump may get a small bonus from AAs, but whether it will be enough to swing the election is absolutely an unknown right now.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:28 AM (wYseH)

162 148 I can't imagine Elizabeth Warren doing that well. She won't energize anyone but coastal college students. She's not even as compelling as Bernie.
Posted by: Panchito Pistoles at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (aYVBT)

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She won her Senate seat in 2012, on the same ticket as Barack Obama.

In Massachusetts, she ran 10 points behind Obama. On the same ticket.

She's a disaster for Democrats waiting to happen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:28 AM (iikV8)

163 Elizabeth Warren is HRC without the "Accomplishments"

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:29 AM (BqBId)

164 I don't think it is going to be biden. biden can't keep up with Trump. Heck even his own campaign guys are saying he fades in the afternoon/evening and are adjusting his schedule accordingly to reduce the number of gaffes. "

I suspect many people here have been around older relatives, and you realize they get to a point where they start to fade, and when that happens it's a steady progression of getting a little worse each month. And it's sad, but it's always worse, at that age it's never better. It happens at different ages for different people, but the progression is the same once it starts.

And what I'm seeing, and I'm sure you do to, is that Biden is already on that progression, and is fading away. He's not going to be the same in 12 months as he is today - he's going to be significantly worse, and the stress of having to campaign is going to accelerate all of his problems, because stress always does that.

If nominated, Biden would be the oldest man EVER nominated by EITHER party to run for President. There's actually a pretty good reason why no one has ever done that before.

By the time FDR was Joe Biden's age, he'd been dead for 15 years.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:29 AM (Kpl3J)

165 122 I don't see anyone who voted for Trump last time, NOT voting for Trump this time. I think he will also gain the reluctant ones from 2016. I don't see anyone exciting on the Dem side. My main concern is voter fraud.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (lwiT4)

This is my inclination as well.

Posted by: charlotte the sailor at August 20, 2019 11:29 AM (/rsCS)

166 btw,That Bezmenov dude was not only a defector but was actually a senior KGB official and in the very business of affecting the change from a capitalist to socialist/communist society.
He talks about the point one gets to where one can present clear, black and white, empirical evidence to a socialist and it makes precisely zero difference. Facts no longer matter. This was the goal and the KGB did a damn fine job of it.

Posted by: Passing Commenter at August 20, 2019 11:30 AM (MouFt)

167 If there is anything that Trump can do to reduce his 2020 turnout, it would be pushing unconstitutional Red Flag and hate crime laws through. WhenTF will pols on the right figure out that there is NO amount of appeasement that will satiate the left? It's a form of insanity. I guess they all think something like, "this time it will different because I'm different!"

No. You'll just piss off your supporters and make them less excited about getting to the polls on the big day.

Posted by: Lawrence L at August 20, 2019 11:30 AM (MKA2p)

168 122 I don't see anyone who voted for Trump last time, NOT voting for
Trump this time. I think he will also gain the reluctant ones from 2016.
I don't see anyone exciting on the Dem side. My main concern is voter
fraud.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:23 AM (lwiT4)


Concur.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:30 AM (77WPm)

169 I saw Lemon Fingers open for Green Day at the Observatory in '03. He tried to smash the guitar but got tired after about six swings.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 20, 2019 11:30 AM (C1nyg)

170 >>Thanks, Jack. I've seen that within the past year, likely at your urging. Remarkable.

No problem. I rewatch if from time to time to remind where all of this communist ideology came from. Once you listen to him it all makes perfect sense.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:30 AM (ZLI7S)

171 Kinda hard to picture Liz winning, although she is very canny. Comes from Massachusetts. Harvard professor. Awkward when she tries to be passionate. No name cache. Too far left. Not personable.
Posted by: Caliban
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Lizzy always comes across, to me, as a poor actress auditioning for a part. Just poor acting, no real substance. It always seems contrived, which it is.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 20, 2019 11:31 AM (Pu/Kw)

172 http://bit.ly/2MqSrmD
*******
The Most Important Video of the Day: Piers Morgan Describes the Utterly Humorless, Unbearable and Fascist Liberal Left

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:31 AM (BqBId)

173
Jack Dorsey is a smug pompous neofascist wanna be mover and shaker dickhole.... that's why.

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If he were alive in the 40's I can easily see him as a trusted high-level flunky of Goebbels. Or Himmler, not sure which is the better fit.

Posted by: Vlad the implaer, whittling away like mad at August 20, 2019 11:31 AM (dmoiP)

174
I will once again pimp for people to watch a video
of Yuri Bezmenov, a Russian defector who laid out the strategy of subversion and predicted how it would happen in the west, particularly the US.

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That's a great idea, and I too pimp it occasionally.

Tell you guys what... I have that on a cloud server somewhere or other. I'll need to dig. But I'll find it and link it back to the Horde sometime this week.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 11:31 AM (eGEVz)

175 172 http://bit.ly/2MqSrmD
*******
The Most Important Video of the Day: Piers Morgan Describes the Utterly Humorless, Unbearable and Fascist Liberal Left
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:31 AM (BqBId)

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Before or after describing the NRA as baby killers?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:31 AM (iikV8)

176 If he were alive in the 40's I can easily see him as
a trusted high-level flunky of Goebbels. Or Himmler, not sure which is
the better fit.

Posted by: Vlad the implaer, whittling away like mad at August 20, 2019 11:31 AM (dmoiP)

FDR?

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:32 AM (77WPm)

177 I should go get some siht done.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:32 AM (cqNba)

178 Lol.

How often do you go to Twitter Jail, CBD?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 20, 2019 11:32 AM (YA914)

179 The issue, I think, is predicated on "socialist" meaning "requires gov't taking from others to make it work." Jesus was absolutely a socialist in the likely-most-populist-notion of 'socialist' meaning everybody shares out of love for their neighbor. He was most certainly NOT a socialist in the Marxist concept. (That confusion, IMO, is why so many people think socialism is OK.)

Socialism DOES work. As long as you eliminate human nature (AKA sin). That's what makes a forced socialism so friggin' evil.
Posted by: GWB at August 20, 2019 11:27 AM (3mQnF)
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Jesus shared in common with socialism the idea of "shared burdens". That the burden that something fell on was not necessarily just their own.

However, Jesus lacked the complete nihilism about personal responsibility, even while holding the idea of shared burdens.

So Jesus was both very "conservative" regarding personal responsibility. And yet, somewhat "progressive", regarding shared burdens. I think that might have had to do with his role as bearing all our burdens for our failure of responsibility.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 11:32 AM (DuZls)

180 wasn't there always a weird Mid West socialist/populist strain? I
remember reading about these guys in the 1920s era. I think it was the
Wisconsin Iowa region.




The Progressive movement was started around 1920 in Wisconsin by a guy named LaFollette. He is the ancestor of our current Sec of State. Remember - it is a Soros goal to put progressives in as Secretaries of State so as to better manipulate elections.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:32 AM (lwiT4)

181 She won her Senate seat in 2012, on the same ticket as Barack Obama.



In Massachusetts, she ran 10 points behind Obama. On the same ticket.



She's a disaster for Democrats waiting to happen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:28 AM (iikV

And once more, it will be the bad man vs the courageous blonde.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 20, 2019 11:32 AM (CPk08)

182 Iowa probably gets a lot of outside influence as the first primary state. Liberal money can go there and influence both parties, since the more liberal candidate has a little advantage in Iowa (more liberal than the surrounding areas, but supposedly representing the Midwest). Illinois is "more liberal" but that is just Chicago. (though across the river from Iowa is a more Dem area)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2019 11:32 AM (Cus5s)

183 142
Scoff all you want. I have seen what those people are about for years and years. We came within a hares breath of electing the worst piece of shit that ever ran for POTUS. If people havent been awakened to that what can the result be? They are signaling their revenge already. They are saying they will confiscate our weapons. I wont give mine up. I suppose you will hand yours over to your benevolent betters with a smile?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (7jTtI)

184 169
I saw Lemon Fingers open for Green Day at the Observatory in '03. He
tried to smash the guitar but got tired after about six swings.


i've often wondered who would win a battle of the bands: Lemon Fingers or Fish Fingers in Custard.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (sGtp+)

185 Trump won primarily because he addressed that - that the average American is falling behind.



What needs to be added is that a tiny coastal pseudo-arostocracy is
bleeding us dry for its own parasitic sustenance, and dreams of global
hegemony.


Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 11:26 AM

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Trump is one of the very few modern Presidents that can actually run on his first term record and win. Reagan was the last one. The msm can't silence him, they have tried for nearly 3 years and it isn't working. He forces them to cover anything he wants to say.


Once the dems pick an opponent, Trump will ramp up the destruction that their policies will wreak on the economy.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (JUOKG)

186 Just got back from the sidebar article of Megan Rapner or whatever. I honestly forgot who she was.

Posted by: Picric at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (ReE7L)

187 I think Warren will be the nominee... Just a hunch... and the fact that the media is really pushing for her.

Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (O2RFr)

188 All right, work calls. See folks at lunch if I can.

Relax, buy ammo and fuck Socialism

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (bcbK8)

189 Like Trump won't get any more support from AAs than the likes of Romney?

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 11:22 AM (y7DUB)

Huh? I think that Trump may get a small bonus from AAs, but whether it will be enough to swing the election is absolutely an unknown right now.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:28 AM (wYseH)


I was referring to whoever was arguing with most here that he'll get the same amount as previous Republicans. Trump already has more unsolicited support from high exposure AAs than any previous GOP President. How that will transfer to votes is unknown but he's done everything former Presidents have shied away from in addressing AA issues.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (y7DUB)

190 Trump won primarily because he addressed that - that the average American is falling behind.

What needs to be added is that a tiny coastal pseudo-arostocracy is bleeding us dry for its own parasitic sustenance, and dreams of global hegemony.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 11:26 AM (J+mig)



He *addressed* it, to his credit, but he has not fully *resolved* it yet, although moves are being made in the right direction.

I still give him massive kudos for at least addressing it. The Globalist WSJ Greedheads and the Kevin Williamson types pooh-poohed it and continue to do so. And the Commiecrats just demand free stuff from someone else whilst continuing to think they can put anything in their mouths, veins, vages or anuses without consequence.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (ujg0T)

191 Jesus shared in common with socialism the idea of "shared burdens". That the burden that something fell on was not necessarily just their own.

However, Jesus lacked the complete nihilism about personal responsibility, even while holding the idea of shared burdens.

So Jesus was both very "conservative" regarding personal responsibility. And yet, somewhat "progressive", regarding shared burdens. I think that might have had to do with his role as bearing all our burdens for our failure of responsibility.
Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 11:32 AM (DuZls)

There is no virtue in giving away your money to the poor when you have a gun to your head.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (KUaJL)

192 188 All right, work calls. See folks at lunch if I can.

Relax, buy ammo and fuck Socialism
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (bcbK

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Do I have to buy it dinner first?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (iikV8)

193 >>Huh? I think that Trump may get a small bonus from AAs, but whether it will be enough to swing the election is absolutely an unknown right now.


How many are simply choosing to not vote Democrat? Apparently this tweet (the test) is a thing:



https://twitter.com/CharriseLane/status/

1163618810286489600

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:34 AM (bDqIh)

194 191
There is no virtue in giving away your money to the poor when you have a gun to your head.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (KUaJL)

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"There's virtue in holding the gun, right?"
-The Religious Left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:34 AM (iikV8)

195 Nope. No communication at all. I think it's because I am Jewish!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:21 AM (wYseH)


Heh.

Twitter policy is to warn you, then suspend you, then ban you.

One, two, three strikes you're out.

Only you're out on one strike. I'm thinking their autobanhammer algorithm screwed up. If you felt like it, you could probably contact their customer support and get reinstated. If you felt like it.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:34 AM (JVrQi)

196 And there is no successor to Trump. He's not a Republican. He is sui
generis. And he's not ideological. The one possible legacy for the GOP
is that he's shown them that fighting works.



Whether that will be a lesson learned is another thing.


This is why I don't want Pence to run in '24. He would just pale in comparison to Trump. What's needed is another alpha but without the personality quirks that can irritate people (although I think they're a large part of what makes Trump so successful).

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:35 AM (T6t7i)

197 Harris supporters say it was just one bad debate, but what Tulsi Gabbard threw at her truly was a Death Blow - because Harris had no answer for it. And Harris had no answer because there *is* no good answer possible, everything Gabbard said was the plain truth.

And that means that in any future race, all anyone running against Harris has to do is memorize Gabbard's lines, and repeat them word for word, over and over. It's like in sports, when a coach figures out that the other team cannot handle a certain play, well you just run that play over and over again and stuff it down their teeth.

Harris' record as AG is horrible - she depended on being covered for by Democrat loving media that would never report on it. Now that the cat is out of the bag, she's finished.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:35 AM (Kpl3J)

198 Facts no longer matter. This was the goal and the KGB did a damn fine job of it.
Posted by: Passing Commenter at August 20, 2019 11:30 AM (MouFt)

The KGB were absolute masters of their art - as brilliant as they were evil.

We should all thank God that the Soviet Empire collapsed, and that the people who took over running the socialist push are not nearly so brilliant.

The useful idiots are in the driver's seat, and their fever-dreams of their Earthly Paradise have driven them into blind zeal.

They took over in the 11th hour, and from their sheer incompetence is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. We may yet win, but it will be at the bottom of the 9th.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 11:35 AM (J+mig)

199 2020 is not all but certain for Trump, all the Donks have to do is flip Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania back to the historically Donk states they've been and Trump loses.


In fact I would bet the vote fraud this go around is going to be of size and scope that we haven't seen in our lifetimes.


Either way, Winston Wolf's maxim most assuredly applies.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 20, 2019 11:35 AM (88mwq)

200 11 Warren, eh? Well, could be. Maybe a Warren/Harris ticket. Feel the estrogen, America!!!!!
______________

At their post-menopausal ages, it's more like "feel the estrogen supplements, America!!!"

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 20, 2019 11:35 AM (k4dH2)

201 Jesus never directed us to find ways to give other people's money to the poor.

Posted by: Emmie at August 20, 2019 11:35 AM (i/wJA)

202 The black vote won't turn out for Warren. She's all in on trans, while PDT's DOJ just asked the supreme court to make it legal to fire people for being trans.

Posted by: Hikaru (Allie) at August 20, 2019 11:36 AM (gz9aI)

203 Socialism has and never will be about helping the poor.

It's a mistake to even accept that claim.

No.

It's about the middle class, educated but lazy wanting an easy path.

The poor are the emotional bait, and cannon fodder.

But the actual policies, the actual practice of socialism?

Entirely benefits that small segment of society most enthusiastic for it--well off, well educated, unaccomplished members of the majority race.

Am I wrong?

How does health care for all benefit one who already qualified for and uses medicare and Medicaid? Except to limit even further their access to health care?

How does college for all benefit a high school drop out? Whose kids are also failing school, and no where near at grade- level proficiency? Because they're trapped in the free for all schools now?

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 20, 2019 11:36 AM (k81AA)

204 Yep

Posted by: Sock Monkey's ...recycled primate at August 20, 2019 11:36 AM (Vvx0R)

205 Harris supporters say it was just one bad debate, but what Tulsi Gabbard threw at her truly was a Death Blow - because Harris had no answer for it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:35 AM (Kpl3J)
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And now, Kamala's Prognosis Negative.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 11:36 AM (DuZls)

206 What ever you do, don't help the prognosticators. If you get polled, lie. Don't early vote or absentee vote. Vote as late in the day as possible, make it as hard as possible for the Dems to calculate how much of a cheat factor they need to create.

Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (vI+F1)

207 He's going to s*** himself between now and the Iowa caucuses in 5+ months, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba

I'd like to see how the SS handles that situation.

"Code brown! Everyone back to the motorcade!"
Posted by: pep

EXCEPT Stinky !

Posted by: JT at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (arJlL)

208 Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:34 AM (bDqIh)

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Damn, Charrise is teh hawt, and has good taste in clothes.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (eGEVz)

209 This is my inclination as well.

Posted by: charlotte the sailor at August 20, 2019 11:29 AM (/rsCS)


How do you expect the sky to fall with that kind of attitude?

Posted by: C. Little at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (vqIkG)

210 Seems to me comrade nurse has been watching her fair share of looney tunes lately

Posted by: Sock Monkey's ...recycled primate at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (Vvx0R)

211 Oddly enough, the popular vote movement might bite these folks in the ass.

Even if Blue States don't shift to the right, if enough blacks pull the Trump lever, it could conceivably, while still putting the Electoral College results in one column for the State, move the popular numbers enough to the right to wind up with a popular Trump win, no matter the EV results.


Then what?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (cqNba)

212 She's a disaster for Democrats waiting to happen.


Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:28 AM (iikV
And once more, it will be the bad man vs the courageous blonde.Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 20, 2019

*
*
. . .
Blonde? With a LOT of help from Clairol, maybe.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (ClOmq)

213
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 20, 2019 11:36 AM (k81AA)

All of this.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (77WPm)

214 I'm not predicting a Trump win, but why is everyone acting like Biden is a shoo-in for states like Pennsylvania?
Yeah, the Biden of 20 years ago--maybe even 2016 if he swooped in at the end. But why would the average blue-collar voter who went for Trump last time switch to Biden?
Even if Biden was a true moderate (and he's not) does anyone believe he wouldn't move to the left as soon as he was elected?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (NFEMn)

215 196 And there is no successor to Trump. He's not a Republican. He is sui generis. And he's not ideological. The one possible legacy for the GOP is that he's shown them that fighting works.

Whether that will be a lesson learned is another thing.

This is why I don't want Pence to run in '24. He would just pale in comparison to Trump. What's needed is another alpha but without the personality quirks that can irritate people (although I think they're a large part of what makes Trump so successful).
Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:35 AM (T6t7i)



I have to disagree:

1. After eight years of the grandiose Trump, a low key Pence might just be what we need. A Calvin Coolidge forh the 21st century.

2. Trump could stay on in some unofficial role as "Attack dog" for Pence.

3. Better Pence than another Establican Globalist, and don't think they aren't preparing one. George P. Bush, Jeb's kid, is probably in the bullpen as we speak.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:38 AM (ujg0T)

216 How that will transfer to votes is unknown but he's
done everything former Presidents have shied away from in addressing AA
issues.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 11:33 AM (y7DUB)

Yup. But the operative word is "unknown."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (wYseH)

217 Then what?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (cqNba)

Oh that's simple - all of these traditional deep-blue states will simply say that not enough states to flip the EC have signed-on to the Compact so too bad OrangeMan, you lose.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (77WPm)

218 Conservatives deserted academia for higher paying jobs in business

Posted by: Kurt at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (lFMiV)

219 Who here had Trump winning, 15 months out, in 2015? Just curious because I can't remember.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (lwiT4)

220 ---
And now, Kamala's Prognosis Negative.
Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 11:36 AM (DuZls)

And the last 5 minutes just show Tulsi Gabbard dancing!

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (Kpl3J)

221 Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 11:32 AM (DuZls)

I think you nailed it.

Posted by: GWB at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (3mQnF)

222 214 I'm not predicting a Trump win, but why is everyone acting like Biden is a shoo-in for states like Pennsylvania?
Yeah, the Biden of 20 years ago--maybe even 2016 if he swooped in at the end. But why would the average blue-collar voter who went for Trump last time switch to Biden?
Even if Biden was a true moderate (and he's not) does anyone believe he wouldn't move to the left as soon as he was elected?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 20, 2019 11:37 AM (NFEMn)

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He has that superficial appeal. He'll actually show up and say the right things to Pennsylvanians.

He's also started stepping all over himself in terms of his previous "moderate" positions, so he'll have some weird dance of doubling down on the moderateness in more earnest terms.

Essentially, I imagine Biden fighting for the rural voters in the Midwest, as opposed to Warren who will probably spit on them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:40 AM (iikV8)

223 Academia deserted academia for "social science", SJW claptrap.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 11:40 AM (xfb67)

224 219 Who here had Trump winning, 15 months out, in 2015? Just curious because I can't remember.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (lwiT4)

Oh I did I did! wait you want evidence? H8TER!!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:40 AM (Kpl3J)

225 Trump won in 2016 by outworking his opponents and bucking conventional wisdom by saying and doing things traditional Republican nominees have never done. He was able to overcome a chaotic, to be generous, campaign team and a populace that was largely dubious of his record.

He's been unofficially running for re-election for well over a year now with a much more focused and capable campaign team and has raised a ton of money, much from small donors, and continued to keep his supporters energized and enthusiastic with a strong record of success and by communicating directly with them both online and through his very popular rallies.

I don't see anyone on the left who is going to give him anywhere near the trouble Hillary caused and she had to cheat massively to even get close. They won't have the intel apparatus on their side this time.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (ZLI7S)

226 Yup. But the operative word is "unknown."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (wYseH)


Of course it's unknown but to be cautiously optimistic isn't burying one's head in the sand.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (y7DUB)

227 So Leftist want us to write National laws based upon the ideas that they claim come from a religious leader?

Um...OK

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (cqNba)

228 218 Conservatives deserted academia for higher paying jobs in business
Posted by: Kurt at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (lFMiV)



And those of us who DID consider it received the academic equivalent of being tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

Kurt is not entirely wrong here, but he misses the inflitration.

We really may need a HUAC for academia, with the femicommunist, multicommunist and politically communist types hounded out of tenure and out of offices.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (ujg0T)

229 A few more: "Not voting Democrat in 2020. Nothing you can do."

https://tinyurl.com/y4yflwtj
https://tinyurl.com/yyvhlzdk
https://tinyurl.com/y6l59q6g

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (bDqIh)

230 Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:34 AM (JVrQi)

Oh...I have been put in timeout twice, and made to delete a tweet or two. o there is a track record, but this latest time I honestly have no idea why!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (wYseH)

231 227 So Leftist want us to write National laws based upon the ideas that they claim come from a religious leader?

Um...OK
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (cqNba)

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"Oh, and theocracies are bad."
-The Religious Left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (iikV8)

232 Jesus was not concerned with bringing the poor out of poverty. He said they would always be with us. He was concerned with self sacrifice by individuals what was a result of loving your neighbor.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 11:42 AM (7jTtI)

233 What was it that Tusli Gabbard used to flatten Harris? What question did she ask that Harris had no answer for?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:42 AM (ClOmq)

234 Harris is a disaster. She should have been running on Biden's track: a
safe law and order "centrist", but I guess she's stupid or something,
and really blew her chance.


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ISWYDT.

Posted by: ShainS -- in registry of disreputable federal law-abiding commenters at August 20, 2019 11:42 AM (WqPYg)

235 224 219 Who here had Trump winning, 15 months out, in 2015? Just curious because I can't remember.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (lwiT4)

Not Me... Husband did though

Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 11:42 AM (O2RFr)

236 It's about the middle class, educated but lazy wanting an easy path.

The poor are the emotional bait, and cannon fodder.

But the actual policies, the actual practice of socialism?

Entirely benefits that small segment of society most enthusiastic for it--well off, well educated, unaccomplished members of the majority race.

Am I wrong?

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 20, 2019 11:36 AM (k81AA)

Not the middle class, but the upper echelons of society. Upper middle-class and above. It's the scions of wealthy families who have never had to do an honest day's work and are horrified by the thought that they might have to.

They've lived all their lives in a risk-free, low-effort bubble where nothing they did was ever wrong, and the real world scares the bejeezus out of them.

How do they cope? Fantasy. Belief that they don't need to work because they're special wonderful people. That they deserve a million dollars a year for writing political tracts thar their equally vapid friends will applaud like trained seals. That they are so special and wonderful that their job should be telling everyone else how to work, despite having no understanding of the nature, purpose, and importance of the work.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (J+mig)

237 Who here had Trump winning, 15 months out, in 2015? Just curious because I can't remember.


Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (lwiT4)

I called it Donald to win the minute Walker copped out for CoC $$$ instead of votes. It was fated. Ghost of Khari called it for Donald from the start.
Dunno about the rest of ya all

Posted by: Attack of teh Donald at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (vqIkG)

238 Germans. Lots and Lots of Germans. THe NE part of the state is HUGELY Catholic too.

Texas has a lot of Germans too. Back when Harris County was red it sent many a murderer to Hays County to meet their fate. Hays is where San Marcos is and now hosts one of the most liberal colleges in he US (Texas State University). I guess the 'dragworms' of Austin have moved in.

Posted by: DanMan at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (XTiHL)

239 You left out the part of the Kirk interview where he said that Generation Z is more conservative than the Millennials, and that TPUSA has 300,000 members.

I agree that it will be a close election. I think Bill Maher is partially right, that some people are tired of Trump's fat face, meaning his marketing schtick.

Posted by: mercenary13 at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (zEaTf)

240 I have to disagree:
1. After eight years of the grandiose Trump, a low key Pence might just be what we need. A Calvin Coolidge forh the 21st century.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:38 AM (ujg0T)


I don't trust Pence. He's a good man, but when he was gov. of Indiana, he demonstrated that he would wilt if the LBGTBBQ crowd amped it up high enough. Maybe Trump gave him a transfusion of spine, but maybe not. We don't need a nice guy right now. We need a drunken ape with a long Shit List and a baseball bat.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (JVrQi)

241 233 What was it that Tusli Gabbard used to flatten Harris? What question did she ask that Harris had no answer for?


Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:42 AM (ClOmq)

Pretty much just recited summaries of her God-awful record as CA AG - something the LA Times, etc. didn't think was newsworthy when she was running for Senate.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (77WPm)

242 Anybody heard from Jewels ?

Posted by: JT at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (arJlL)

243 Not Me... Husband did though

Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 11:42 AM (O2RFr)



My step-dad did too. I thought he was nuts.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (lwiT4)

244 233 What was it that Tusli Gabbard used to flatten Harris? What question did she ask that Harris had no answer for?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:42 AM (ClOmq)

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Something about her record as AG of California.

She was a typical prosecutor in the mundane and terrible ways prosecutors are. She locked up a bunch of black people (I think this was the thrust of Gabbard's argument), but she also abused state power to throw people in jail.

She has some comment (that Gabbard didn't touch on) where Harris argued that prosecutors shouldn't get punished for inventing evidence against defendants.

She's scum.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (iikV8)

245 The lefties are all afraid that Pence will make Sunday School mandatory.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 11:44 AM (xfb67)

246 In Massachusetts, she ran 10 points behind Obama. On the same ticket.

She's a disaster for Democrats waiting to happen.


All the Democrats are up there trying to get the black vote, reparations, lining up to give Sharpton reacharounds, but I'm hoping this country's tolerance for that crap is coming to an end.

Warren is the affirmative-action-fraud poster child, though Harris ('person of color' child of parents far wealther and better connected than my parents, or I, have ever been) is a clearer example of why it needs to be disemboweled and left to bleed to death.

Here in California the Hispanics in control of the state government thought they'd be able to repeal Prop 109 and reinstitute racial preferences in hiring and school admission (though the prohibition is more de jure than de facto if you've ever seen the Hastings Law graduating class...)

The Hispanics want to run the show, blacks are almost a nugatory influence in the state these days, they got their Asian fellow travelers to go along with it...until they heard from their constituents and the idea got shot down. But it was, pace Wellington, a near-run thing.

If there is one third-rail in California politics it's that you don't get between Asian parents and the UC system.

The other is that you don't fuck with the property values of a 'middle class' that's just paid 1.5-2M for their house.

That idiot Scott Weiner will continue pushing through his high-density zoning regs, and frankly it might do great things for me personally - the lot I'm sitting on in the suburban SF Peninsula is big enough to drop four units on it, and we could sell or rent them for enough to raise the middle finger to the neighbors, the city wouldn't be able to stop us. Go somewhere else nice, get ten times the lot and five times the square footage for my project cars.

I hate the concept, but ask me again in three years when my wife is ready to retire, and I might reconsider purely on wallet grounds.

Posted by: JEM at August 20, 2019 11:44 AM (8erNz)

247
I have to disagree:



1. After eight years of the grandiose Trump, a low key Pence might
just be what we need. A Calvin Coolidge forh the 21st century.


I'm not sure that's what 2020 America really wants. Attention spans are much shorter, and even Pence admits he's sans-charisma.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:44 AM (T6t7i)

248 219 Who here had Trump winning, 15 months out, in 2015? Just curious because I can't remember.
_____________

Not me. I ended up voting for him, because I liked what he did during the campaign and the alternative --Hilldog-- was too awful to contemplate, but I still didn't really expect him to win. Even on election day.

Wednesday morning was a welcome surprise. Hoping for another good day like that in 2020.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 20, 2019 11:44 AM (k4dH2)

249 Who here had Trump winning, 15 months out, in 2015? Just curious because I can't remember.


Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:39 AM (lwiT4)

Not I. 15 months out and I was one of those idiots who seriously entertained thoughts that Trump was a stalking horse for Hillary.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 11:44 AM (KUaJL)

250
I'd like to see how the SS handles that situation.

"Code brown! Everyone back to the motorcade!"
Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:20 AM (T6t7i)

They've already had practice with HILLARY!

Posted by: Fox2! at August 20, 2019 11:44 AM (lunhD)

251 Of course it's unknown but to be cautiously optimistic isn't burying one's head in the sand.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (y7DUB)

I'm not talking about optimism, and I think it is obvious.


I am talking about the ignorance of spouting "Landslide" crap without any basis in fact, or even a realistic analysis. Hell, there are a few knuckleheads around here who are proclaiming an AOC loss in her 2020 primary. It's simply wishful thinking, and it is dangerous, because it will suppress turnout and enthusiasm.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:45 AM (wYseH)

252 What was it that Tusli Gabbard used to flatten Harris? What question did she ask that Harris had no answer for?


Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:42 AM (ClOmq)

Pretty much just recited summaries of her God-awful record as CA AG - something the LA Times, etc. didn't think was newsworthy when she was running for Senate.
Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (77WPm)
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Tulsi accused Kamala of being a prosecutor and prosecuting crimes and hypocrisy, but mostly hypocrisy.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 11:45 AM (DuZls)

253
Not Me... Husband did though

Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 11:42 AM (O2RFr)

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I knew once he got Indiana that he'd beat her. But up to that point, I figured the (R) machine would stop him by hook or crook.

Joe Mannix had it called it from day one, though, if he's around.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 11:45 AM (eGEVz)

254 I have to disagree:

1. After eight years of the grandiose Trump, a low key Pence might just be what we need. A Calvin Coolidge forh the 21st century.

2. Trump could stay on in some unofficial role as "Attack dog" for Pence.

3. Better Pence than another Establican Globalist, and don't think they aren't preparing one. George P. Bush, Jeb's kid, is probably in the bullpen as we speak.

Posted by: Curmudgeon



And if Pence doesn't have serious Fuck You money, and he doesn't, he'll be beholden to the do nothing, go along-get along GOPe.

And we are right back to where we were with McCain and Romney.

Which means, he won't win.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 11:45 AM (3oX+R)

255 CBD, I am on m,y 3rd account on Twatter, Just use Mail.com for a throwaway email addy

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (BqBId)

256 251
I am talking about the ignorance of spouting "Landslide" crap without any basis in fact, or even a realistic analysis. Hell, there are a few knuckleheads around here who are proclaiming an AOC loss in her 2020 primary. It's simply wishful thinking, and it is dangerous, because it will suppress turnout and enthusiasm.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:45 AM (wYseH)

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AOC's gonna be governor of NY in 10 years. That's my prediction.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (iikV8)

257 In March 2016 I posted here that Trump would win 300 EVs, because of an increase in white non college turnout

Turnout Turnout Turnout

The Ds will have a huge problem in 2020 motivating 100% of their base

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (+aaIl)

258 248
219 Who here had Trump winning, 15 months out, in 2015? Just curious because I can't remember.
____________



Not me. I ended up voting for him, because I liked what he did
during the campaign and the alternative --Hilldog-- was too awful to
contemplate, but I still didn't really expect him to win. Even on
election day.


Wednesday morning was a welcome surprise. Hoping for another good day like that in 2020.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 20, 2019

*
*
. . .
Same here.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (ClOmq)

259 Why am I listening to an Ape Pontificate?

It's 5 years before your bloody election STFU till next LABORIOUS DAY....when half the PUN-DITZ have a stroke..YEAH!!!


remember .REMEMBER the 5th of November

GUY FAWKES OFF..........and Votes TRUMP..congress/MSM/elite BLOWS UP AGAIN !!!

Posted by: saf at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (5IHGB)

260 even Pence admits he's sans-charisma.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:44 AM (T6t7i)

I could go for eight years of boring and competent.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (wYseH)

261 "He thinks President Trump will win, but he is also not climbing on board the Trump-Wins-In-Landslide train."

I honestly don't understand how anyone thinks Trump will win in a landslide. Unless the definition of landslide means something other than what I think it means. Whoever wins will probably win by 20-30 EVs.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (FiUMj)

262 240 I have to disagree:
1. After eight years of the grandiose Trump, a low key Pence might just be what we need. A Calvin Coolidge for the 21st century.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:38 AM (ujg0T)

I don't trust Pence. He's a good man, but when he was gov. of Indiana, he demonstrated that he would wilt if the LBGTBBQ crowd amped it up high enough. Maybe Trump gave him a transfusion of spine, but maybe not. We don't need a nice guy right now. We need a drunken ape with a long Shit List and a baseball bat.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:43 AM (JVrQi)



If you have good candidates, name names.

All I know is that the Globalist Establican Open Border Greedheads and the Kevin Williamson types are going to try to put one of theirs as the Republican nominee in 2024.

My bets are on the George P. Bush, the next scion of that dynasty, but it could also be any of those 15 other primary wretches who were not Donald Trump or Ted Cruz in 2016.

And we definitely do NOT want one of those. Between those and Pence, I'm with Pence.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (ujg0T)

263 What...is 259?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (iikV8)

264 AOC's gonna be governor of NY in 10 years. That's my prediction.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (iikV
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Fredo so.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (DuZls)

265 Posted by: saf at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (5IHGB)

Off your meds again?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (wYseH)

266 My step-dad did too. I thought he was nuts.

I was resigned to a Hillary win... On election eve at 3:30 Pacific time Frank Putz AKA Luntz said it was over... Exit polls said Hillary was gonna win...Didn't turn out that way thank God

Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

267 AOC's gonna be governor of NY in 10 years. That's my prediction.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (iikV


Or Senate, if she successfully primaries Sen. JellyHead.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (77WPm)

268 I could go for eight years of boring and competent.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (wYseH)

___

Not us!!

Posted by: Twitter, NY Times, CNN at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (FiUMj)

269 I said way back from that AOC could be the mayor of NYC. Turns out she's not smart enough without her handler, who Nancy just castrated

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 20, 2019 11:48 AM (+aaIl)

270 I could go for eight years of boring and competent.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (wYseH)



Then a Pence/Walker ticket might be right up your alley!

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:48 AM (lwiT4)

271 ... but this latest time I honestly have no idea why!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:41 AM (wYseH)


Right, and that's why I think it was a mistake.

I must be living a charmed life. I've directed some very insulting tweets at certainly celebrities and national politician, and Twitter hasn't touched me. The only negative consequence I've ever gotten is that imbecilic moron Matthew Dowd blocked me for pointing out his historical ignorance, but he blocks pretty much everybody, so that's no big deal.

I must be thoroughly inconsequential.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:48 AM (JVrQi)

272 266 My step-dad did too. I thought he was nuts.

I was resigned to a Hillary win... On election eve at 3:30 Pacific time Frank Putz AKA Luntz said it was over... Exit polls said Hillary was gonna win...Didn't turn out that way thank God
Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

I was at bible study that night..completely distracted and kept checking my phone for election updates. I was dreading to read 'madam president' headlines and as the night went on, was much happier.

Posted by: IC at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (a0IVu)

273 266 My step-dad did too. I thought he was nuts.

I was resigned to a Hillary win... On election eve at 3:30 Pacific time Frank Putz AKA Luntz said it was over... Exit polls said Hillary was gonna win...Didn't turn out that way thank God
Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

===========

"A bipartisan Congress has passed the Assault Guns are Super Bad Act of 2019. This marks the latest legislation in a record breaking Congress for positive change in America. President Clinton is expected to sign it before heading off to vacation with some bundlers, one of whom is named Epstein."
-Alternate Universe NYT

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (iikV8)

274 233 What was it that Tusli Gabbard used to flatten Harris? What question did she ask that Harris had no answer for?

it wasn't a question, it was Gabbard delivering facts about Kamala's methods as a prosecutor.

And laughing about smoking weed when her record showed she was a ruthless prosecutor against that especially.

And denying the release of DNA evidence that was used to convict a guy to death row that a judge eventually ordered released that exonerated the prisoner.

That most of her highest profile convictions were against blacks for drug crimes is what is knocking her back.

Posted by: DanMan at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (XTiHL)

275 She was a typical prosecutor in the mundane and terrible ways prosecutors are. She locked up a bunch of black people (I think this was the thrust of Gabbard's argument), but she also abused state power to throw people in jail.

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I think the hammer blow was when Gabbard pointed out that Harris locked up a shitload of black dudes for weed, and then bragged to a black radio DJ about her own weed-smokin' ways to bolster her blackness cred.

That hurt her. You could see she wasn't prepared for that hit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (eGEVz)

276 254 I have to disagree:

1. After eight years of the grandiose Trump, a low key Pence might just be what we need. A Calvin Coolidge forh the 21st century.

2. Trump could stay on in some unofficial role as "Attack dog" for Pence.

3. Better Pence than another Establican Globalist, and don't think they aren't preparing one. George P. Bush, Jeb's kid, is probably in the bullpen as we speak.

Posted by: Curmudgeon

And if Pence doesn't have serious Fuck You money, and he doesn't, he'll be beholden to the do nothing, go along-get along GOPe.

And we are right back to where we were with McCain and Romney.

Which means, he won't win.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 11:45 AM (3oX+R)



If he has Trump's endorsement, that might be enough.

And if he does not have the right amount of F U money, than who does? Or can he get that F U Money?

I'm not sold on Pence. I just KNOW I do not want anyone like the 15 GOPee primary shits who were not Trump or Cruz back in 2016.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (ujg0T)

277 AOC's gonna be governor of NY in 10 years. That's my prediction.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (iikV

I wouldn't go that far, but she is a force to be reckoned with...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (wYseH)

278 Anybody got any weed? Other mood altering drugs? I'll be waiting expectantly by the USB port. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)

279 Unfortunately, PDT is going to have to fight hard for a win. It's going to be tough. Here in FL, the northern Democrats keep moving in and the longtime Green Card holders are pursuing citizenship, solely to vote against PDT. It stinks.

Posted by: Ever at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (kkVtg)

280 277 AOC's gonna be governor of NY in 10 years. That's my prediction.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:46 AM (iikV

I wouldn't go that far, but she is a force to be reckoned with...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (wYseH)

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I thought I was being pessimistic...

She could be president in 10 years instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (iikV8)

281 "Yeah...Twitter suspended me, and I have no idea why. Hopefully it was triggering and insulting to some weak-kneed SJW or progressive pundit. Aside from taking the occasional pot-shot at an idiot, I don't miss it at all."

Don't know if there are any 'Rons or 'Ettes with working Twatter accounts, but somebody should Twat Brian Stelter and ask him how it feels to be CNN's token heterosexual.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (a72/q)

282 Went to bed on election night expecting to wake up to President Elect Clinton.

Instead, woke up to a napkin in my nightstand, with a sharpie written note, written by Little VIA, who had remained up to watch the entire evening.

I still have that scrap of paper upstairs.

It meant so much to me.
On many levels.
Including our son's commitment to conservative values.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (cqNba)

283 I think the hammer blow was when Gabbard pointed out that Harris locked up a shitload of black dudes for weed, and then bragged to a black radio DJ about her own weed-smokin' ways to bolster her blackness cred.

That hurt her. You could see she wasn't prepared for that hit.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (eGEVz)

I thought that was a fucking awesome shot.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)

284 I was resigned to a Hillary win... On election eve
at 3:30 Pacific time Frank Putz AKA Luntz said it was over... Exit polls
said Hillary was gonna win...Didn't turn out that way thank God

Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (O2RFr)



I was at bible study that night..completely distracted and kept
checking my phone for election updates. I was dreading to read 'madam
president' headlines and as the night went on, was much happier.

Posted by: IC at August 20, 2019

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I wish I'd stayed up to see the faces of the election pundits change from glad to sad as Trump began to solidify his win. When I got up the next morning, though, I expected to see Bad News Cankles had won.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (ClOmq)

285 If you have good candidates, name names.

Dan Crenshaw. I'd like to see his star ascend.

My bets are on the George P. Bush, the next scion of that dynasty, but it could also be any of those 15 other primary wretches who were not Donald Trump or Ted Cruz in 2016.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:47 AM (ujg0T)


Not GP Bush. His uncle pretty much pooched the Bush brand, and I'm not crying about that.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (JVrQi)

286 260
even Pence admits he's sans-charisma.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:44 AM (T6t7i)

I could go for eight years of boring and competent.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


You could. I'm gonna guess that you aren't among the people who made the Kardashians famous.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (T6t7i)

287 but this latest time I honestly have no idea why!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo



Could it have anything to do with you telling us that you are determined to get twitter banned and you don't know why they haven't banned you given all of your provocations?

I mean, probably not, but it's worth considering.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 11:51 AM (fuK7c)

288 The Dem fraud this time round will be even more blatant and spectacular than usual. The type where 108% of registered voters in certain districts of color vote for the Dem nominee. Except now it will be whole states.

California will go 97% for the Dem Socialist and 3% for the Green Socialist. Nothing suspicious about that. What, are you a conspiracy theorist?

Posted by: Ripley at August 20, 2019 11:51 AM (MxEKc)

289 A Republic, if you can keep it.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 20, 2019 11:51 AM (7jTtI)

290 >>I am talking about the ignorance of spouting "Landslide" crap without any basis in fact, or even a realistic analysis. Hell, there are a few knuckleheads around here who are proclaiming an AOC loss in her 2020 primary. It's simply wishful thinking, and it is dangerous, because it will suppress turnout and enthusiasm.

Fair enough. But the opposite is true as well.

Hillary was a far better general election candidate than anyone in the race now. What she lacked in personal charisma she more than made up for with money, organization and yes, control of the intel community which worked to sandbag Trump. And the Democrat Party was just starting to show signs of a split in 2016. It's now a full blown civil war.

Who is going to emerge from that pack of circus clowns to come close to having the tools Hillary had to work with? You can't beat something with nothing and I'm not seeing a whole lot of something on the left.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:51 AM (ZLI7S)

291 All Trump would need to do to beat Harris is call her a narc during one of the debates.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 11:51 AM (xfb67)

292 I think the hammer blow was when Gabbard pointed out that Harris locked
up a shitload of black dudes for weed, and then bragged to a black radio
DJ about her own weed-smokin' ways to bolster her blackness cred.



Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (eGEVz)


Yep - that was it. You could see KamalToe was visibly shaken by that.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:51 AM (77WPm)

293 Turns out she's not smart enough without her handler"

Agreed. Without Sheik Yurbutie, she's nowhere.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 20, 2019 11:52 AM (6qErC)

294 That hurt her. You could see she wasn't prepared for that hit.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (eGEVz)

I thought that was a fucking awesome shot.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)


And that was the moment that Kamala Harris' candidacy died.

Harris is dead, and Gabbard killed her.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:52 AM (JVrQi)

295 Pence would probably pick tillis as a running mate

Posted by: NCKate at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (lknvV)

296 How is this not campaign contributions?

@gelles

CNN will host a Climate Crisis Town Hall in NY on the evening of Sept 4 with:

Joe Biden
Cory Booker
Pete Buttigieg
Amy Klobuchar
Beto O'Rourke
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Andrew Yang

(Kamala Harris can't attend due to a scheduling conflict)

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (bDqIh)

297 I was resigned to a Hillary win as well. Until I saw the VA returns coming in. VA closes at 7pm EST so they were the first to start releasing. And Trump was winning with 5% in and I thought, well it's only 5%. Then 10, then 20, then 50. And then I was like wait a second, Trump is winning VA with 1/2 the votes in? This is getting interesting. And I started having a weird sense of HOLY FUCK CAN THIS REALLY BE HAPPENING???

He ended up losing VA but by then it didn't matter.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (FiUMj)

298 294
And that was the moment that Kamala Harris' candidacy died.

Harris is dead, and Gabbard killed her.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:52 AM (JVrQi)

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Ah, see, there's where Gabbard slipped up.

She didn't eat Harris' heart afterwards to gain Harris' strength.

Rookie mistake.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (iikV8)

299 run on "Audit Da Fed". Which ought to be done anyway.

Show me you can change the cam chain on a running engine before we let you try this... twice.

Posted by: DaveA at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (FhXTo)

300 And there is no successor to Trump. He's not a Republican. He is sui
generis. And he's not ideological. The one possible legacy for the GOP
is that he's shown them that fighting works.


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He may not be considered a conservative, libertarian, or Republican ideologue -- but America (being an idea more than a geography) is an ideology, and I believe he is an American ideologue.

Posted by: ShainS -- in registry of disreputable federal law-abiding commenters at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (WqPYg)

301 263 What...is 259?
____________

Stacy Abrams' dream weight?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (k4dH2)

302 291 All Trump would need to do to beat Harris is call her a narc during one of the debates.

What about 'whore' and 'affirmative-action fraud'?

Posted by: JEM at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (8erNz)

303 CA now allows activists to fill out ballots for people. They're supposed to go door to door and find people that didn't go to the polls, but no one is checking those things.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (xfb67)

304 "Harris is dead, and Gabbard killed her."


With a fully semi-automatic assault microphone?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (cqNba)

305 282 Went to bed on election night expecting to wake up to President Elect Clinton.

Instead, woke up to a napkin in my nightstand, with a sharpie written note, written by Little VIA, who had remained up to watch the entire evening.

I still have that scrap of paper upstairs.

It meant so much to me.
On many levels.
Including our son's commitment to conservative values.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (cqNba)



I remember that night. I had told my boss earlier that week that I needed the day after election day off, and to his credit he understood.

That night, I proceeded to get drunk, play some computer games, and was just about to seek out the "busty lesbian pron" when I received calls from East Coast friends and my brother telling me to turn on the TV. I said I did not want to see it, but they insisted, so I did.

I proceeded to go on a bender -- OF JOY. I called up others in my drunken stupor and told them rejoice.

And there was much rejoicing.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:54 AM (ujg0T)

306 295
Pence would probably pick tillis as a running mate

Posted by: NCKate at August 20, 2019

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I wouldn't mind seeing Pam Tillis on TV again.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:54 AM (ClOmq)

307 Yes, the reason Gabbard's attack was so effective was that it was focused on Harris' supposed strength - Harris was running as a "Black" candidate who could just assume massive minority support, just like Obama got. Dem's are thirsting for that.

Gabbard not only pointed out that she is a fake "african American", and that she personally did more to hurt Black Men and throw them in prison than all of the other candidates put together, including Trump. Her story was "well that proves that I'm law and order but minority voters still love me."

But in fact, in reality she was heavy handed and abusive, and black voters despise her for it. her base? She has no base at all, not now. And that's why she's already all washed up.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:54 AM (Kpl3J)

308 I stayed up all the way till the election was finally called. I bookmarked all the AoSHQ threads from that night/early morning as well. Sometimes I go back and read them just for the sheer shock and awe. It's fun.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:54 AM (lwiT4)

309 I mean, probably not, but it's worth considering.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 11:51 AM (fuK7c)

It's also worth considering how many squares of toilet paper I use and how they should be folded for maximum efficiency, but I don't spend a lot of intellectual energy on that question.

Seriously, I got a chuckle out of Twitter, but the more time I spent on it the more obvious it seemed to me to be inconsequential.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 11:54 AM (wYseH)

310 Ah, see, there's where Gabbard slipped up.

She didn't eat Harris' heart afterwards to gain Harris' strength.

Rookie mistake.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (iikV

Just because you're the DPS doesn't mean you get all the loot.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 20, 2019 11:54 AM (KUaJL)

311 Pence would probably pick tillis as a running mate

Posted by: NCKate at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (lknvV)

Mel?

Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 11:54 AM (n13/j)

312 Harris is dead, and Gabbard killed her.

Like the fart that kilt The Sex Thread !

Posted by: JT at August 20, 2019 11:55 AM (arJlL)

313 Gabbard used Great Oppo supplied. YvTeam Biden. For a cabinet post down the line

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 20, 2019 11:55 AM (+aaIl)

314 http://bit.ly/2KSmEb6
********
Thought Eddie Munster retired to spend time with Family back home ??

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 20, 2019 11:55 AM (BqBId)

315 @289

Oh we are going to keep it but for certain values of keeping.


Basically what's going to happen is the same thing that happened in the early part of the 20th century, a massive influx of immigrants, coupled with social justice and racial agitation is going to usher in another 60 years of Democratic rule.

Hopefully when the Donks finish destroying the country there is a country left that's worth resurrecting.

My bet is no.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 20, 2019 11:55 AM (88mwq)

316 If he has Trump's endorsement, that might be enough.

And if he does not have the right amount of F U money, than who does? Or can he get that F U Money?

I'm not sold on Pence. I just KNOW I do not want anyone like the 15 GOPee primary shits who were not Trump or Cruz back in 2016.
Posted by: Curmudgeon


He doesn't have enough FY money.
How does he get it? Make it.
Otherwise he has to let the national team help get him elected. And when you take the king's money, you belong to the king.

And that's what I've been saying. After Trump, our bench is weak as shit. After Trump, we are back to GOPe.

Trump is just a speed bump on the road to Let it Burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 11:55 AM (3oX+R)

317
Pence would probably pick tillis as a running mate

Posted by: NCKate

Mel?
Posted by: Quin


N-n-n-n-n-no

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 20, 2019 11:56 AM (aKsyK)

318 I wish I'd stayed up to see the faces of the election pundits change from glad to sad as Trump began to solidify his win. When I got up the next morning, though, I expected to see Bad News Cankles had won.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:50 AM (ClOmq)


You can go to YouTube and search for "2016 Trump wins compilation" videos and you can watch the talking heads reactions on the various networks. Awesome is the Young Turks' meltdown video. I was expecting them to commit seppuku on camera when it became obvious that Hillary was going down like Bill's pants at an Epstein party.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 11:56 AM (JVrQi)

319 How does the media get "booti-judge" out of Buttigieg's last name? Maybe more to the point, how does he get it? Is it Dutch of something?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:56 AM (ClOmq)

320 "None of this matters. Trump is going to resign in 2 weeks, and Republicans will simply gift the election to the real conservative candidate, Kamala Harris."
-Bill Kristol

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:56 AM (iikV8)

321 Kamala's only base was CNN.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 20, 2019 11:56 AM (+aaIl)

322 I was at bible study that night..completely distracted and kept checking my phone for election updates. I was dreading to read 'madam president' headlines and as the night went on, was much happier.
Posted by: IC at August 20, 2019 11:49 AM (a0IVu)

So much of the media hate for Trump can simply be traced to the fact that he kept them from fighting over which one would have the first official chyron exclaiming "MADAM President!"

Posted by: JoeF. at August 20, 2019 11:57 AM (NFEMn)

323 WTF I just read that Joe Biden has had 2 brain aneurysm in 1988 and we swears that he's 100% fine.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at August 20, 2019 11:57 AM (dKiJG)

324 285
If you have good candidates, name names.

Dan Crenshaw. I'd like to see his star ascend.


Hey! Step off, dude, this is my corner.

Seriously, he's young but he's got presence, and he's smart. The eye patch will get him a ton of votes, too. There's a reason van Heusen used to use one on their shirt models.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:57 AM (T6t7i)

325 Its too early to get all wee weed up about Trumps re-election. We need to hammer out who the Dem patsy is first.

Posted by: Fritz at August 20, 2019 11:57 AM (AfD0C)

326 321 Kamala's only base was CNN.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 20, 2019 11:56 AM (+aaIl)

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This is correct.

Same with Buttigieg.

Both are purely media creations that the media never convinced the Democratic public to actually like.

Still, the media will keep fucking that chicken until votes start happening.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:57 AM (iikV8)

327 >>How does the media get "booti-judge" out of Buttigieg's last name? Maybe more to the point, how does he get it? Is it Dutch of something?


Maltese

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (bDqIh)

328 Felonious had $1.2B in campaign cash, plus untold millions in "in-kind" contributions from the media, had made "peace" with the Bernie Brats, and was running against a political novice with orange skin, "interesting" hair, and a knee-jerk Twitter habit.

And. She. Still. Lost.

I still marvel at that.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (77WPm)

329 Mick Mulvaney can succeed Trump. He's wicked smart and a Happy Warrior

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (+aaIl)

330 I would be happy with a Pence if he would win. He is an honorable man and he stood with Trump wen it counted. You can watch his tour of Gettysburg with his daughter on Cspan. He took time to tour the battlefield prior to a campaign event in 2016. "You can see his class and respect for this country. We could do a lot worse than Pence.

I wouldn't mind a Cruz either but wonder if he could win. Dan Crenshaw is another that should be in the mix. But those are first world problems. Let's defeat the Left in 2020 and then talk.

Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (n13/j)

331
Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (1XAal)

332 >>And that's what I've been saying. After Trump, our bench is weak as shit. After Trump, we are back to GOPe.

>>Trump is just a speed bump on the road to Let it Burn.


Did you see Trump coming in 2012 cause I sure as hell didn't. And he didn't come from the bench, he came out of nowhere.

There very well might be another Trump out there that we don't even know about yet because he's not a career politician.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (ZLI7S)

333 328 Felonious had $1.2B in campaign cash, plus untold millions in "in-kind" contributions from the media, had made "peace" with the Bernie Brats, and was running against a political novice with orange skin, "interesting" hair, and a knee-jerk Twitter habit.

And. She. Still. Lost.

I still marvel at that.
Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (77WPm)

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And, she had the intelligence community.

How much of that advantage will ANY Democratic candidate have in 2020?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (iikV8)

334 She's an example of what it looks like when a campaign captures the big megaphones, but has never actually managed to get many grass roots supporters. Getting people to pretend you're popular is just not the same thing as BEING popular, although Dems think it is.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:14 AM (Kpl3J)

this^ It's like the attempts at economy panic that FBN, Foxnews, MSNBC and CNBC are doing right now with this constant drumbeat of "oohh a recession is looming, Oooh, did you see that sell off last week, on and on. The past few mornings, it's non stop doomsday is right around the corner, Trump is desperate to get the FED to drop interest rates, the world is seriously slowing down, who can we invite in to talk about how they are being hurt by Tariffs?
This morning, FBN had some ice cream maker on who lamented that his sales to China are now being really effected. Yeah, ok. When asked if he was looking to sell to the EU , he said, not at this time. Guy sounded like Tommy from the movie, he was a fourth generation CEO of his family's ice cream co.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (6rjhq)

335 324
285

If you have good candidates, name names.

Dan Crenshaw. I'd like to see his star ascend.

Hey! Step off, dude, this is my corner.
Seriously,
he's young but he's got presence, and he's smart. The eye patch will
get him a ton of votes, too. There's a reason van Heusen used to use one
on their shirt models.


Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019

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I was going to ask if Crenshaw's the guy who looks sort of like Race Bannon with an eye patch.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 11:59 AM (ClOmq)

336 Dan Crenshaw. I'd like to see his star ascend.



Red flag law Crenshaw? Yeah. Fuck him.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 11:59 AM (3oX+R)

337 "Maltese"

Yup

Those folks have some really strange names.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 11:59 AM (cqNba)

338 >>Both are purely media creations that the media never convinced the Democratic public to actually like.

Still, the media will keep fucking that chicken until votes start happening.
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I think both Harris and Buttigeig are raking in the California money - Hollywood and Silicon Valley.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:59 AM (bDqIh)

339 302 291 All Trump would need to do to beat Harris is call her a narc during one of the debates.

What about 'whore' and 'affirmative-action fraud'?
Posted by: JEM at August 20, 2019 11:53 AM (8erNz)

How about Trump saying "You jes' want everyone to call you Massa', just like yo' great grandaddy's slaves called HIM "Massa"!!!"

eh, we'll never see it, she's done. But it would have been glorious.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 11:59 AM (Kpl3J)

340 IIRC lotsa people here were convinced the GOP would hold the house in 2018 as well.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at August 20, 2019 11:59 AM (FiUMj)

341 @324

I put Crenshaw in the same class as Cotton, patriots who are too credulous of the system and simply don't have FU money to be real heir to Trump.


They're called Black Swan events for a reason, Trump is a singular historical figure, his kind simply don't occur that often.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 20, 2019 12:00 PM (88mwq)

342 330 I would be happy with a Pence if he would win. He is an honorable man and he stood with Trump wen it counted. You can watch his tour of Gettysburg with his daughter on Cspan. He took time to tour the battlefield prior to a campaign event in 2016. "You can see his class and respect for this country. We could do a lot worse than Pence.

I wouldn't mind a Cruz either but wonder if he could win. Dan Crenshaw is another that should be in the mix. But those are first world problems. Let's defeat the Left in 2020 and then talk.
Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (n13/j)

A Pence/Crenshaw ticket might solve a number of the disadvantages of both...

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at August 20, 2019 12:00 PM (J+mig)

343 338 >>Both are purely media creations that the media never convinced the Democratic public to actually like.

Still, the media will keep fucking that chicken until votes start happening.
- - -
I think both Harris and Buttigeig are raking in the California money - Hollywood and Silicon Valley.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019 11:59 AM (bDqIh)

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I would be shocked if you were wrong.

They are the Wendy Davises of the 2020 Democratic Primary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 12:00 PM (iikV8)

344 run on "Audit Da Fed". Which ought to be done anyway.

I read that as Auto De Fe. Still works.

It's a lovely day for drinking and for watching people fry.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 20, 2019 12:00 PM (88+cf)

345 WTF I just read that Joe Biden has had 2 brain aneurysm in 1988 and we swears that he's 100% fine.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at August 20, 2019 11:57 AM (dKiJG)

Yes, he had surgery and then returned to Congress.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 20, 2019 12:00 PM (6rjhq)

346 I proceeded to go on a bender -- OF JOY. I called up others in my drunken stupor and told them rejoice.

And there was much rejoicing.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 11:54 AM (ujg0T)

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As I mentioned above, I had Trump as a lock to beat Thundershart from the Indiana primary forward, so I was unsurprised.

What I did do, once he had her dead-to-rights, was open all my windows, put on Fight the Power by the Isley Brothers, and turn it UP TO ELEVEN for all my good and right-thinking Leftist scum neighbors to soak in.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 20, 2019 12:00 PM (eGEVz)

347 330
I would be happy with a Pence if he would win.


And therein lies the problem.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (T6t7i)

348 316 If he has Trump's endorsement, that might be enough.

And if he does not have the right amount of F U money, than who does? Or can he get that F U Money?

I'm not sold on Pence. I just KNOW I do not want anyone like the 15 GOPee primary shits who were not Trump or Cruz back in 2016.
Posted by: Curmudgeon


He doesn't have enough FY money.
How does he get it? Make it.
Otherwise he has to let the national team help get him elected. And when you take the king's money, you belong to the king.

And that's what I've been saying. After Trump, our bench is weak as shit. After Trump, we are back to GOPe.

Trump is just a speed bump on the road to Let it Burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 11:55 AM (3oX+R)



I'm not going to Eeyore yet. I didn't see Trump pulling it off, but here we are.

And again, I am open to any good names for 2024.

What I *could* forsee happening:
--Stealth GOPee type basks in Trump glory and wins in 2024.
--Only to botch things and lose in 2028.

Like GHW Bush to Reagan all over again.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (ujg0T)

349 So PP turned down the money, Trump pushes them to defund themselves. Winning!

I don't care if it was Trump himself who came up with this, or clever people that Trump hired (which is the mark of a superior executive). This is Dune level wheels within wheels thinking.
Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 11:15 AM (T6t7i)

I missed this story. Anybody got a link, or the Coles Notes version?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (a72/q)

350 327
>>How does the media get "booti-judge" out of Buttigieg's last
name? Maybe more to the point, how does he get it? Is it Dutch or
something?




Maltese

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019

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Is that actually a nationality? I thought it was only a breed of dog.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (ClOmq)

351 308 I stayed up all the way till the election was finally called. I bookmarked all the AoSHQ threads from that night/early morning as well. Sometimes I go back and read them just for the sheer shock and awe. It's fun.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 11:54 AM (lwiT4)

I was at my Knights of Columbus meeting and some members prayed for a Trump win we heard Ohio went Trump and I turned everything off because I thought he had no chance to win.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (dKiJG)

352 One of my favorite bookmarked threads from Election Day 2016 is what I call, "Ace's Edmund Fitzgerald Speech." As in, "fella's it's been good to know ya."

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (lwiT4)

353 Hell, there are a few knuckleheads around here who are proclaiming an AOC loss in her 2020 primary. It's simply wishful thinking, and it is dangerous, because it will suppress turnout and enthusiasm.
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That's the value of making decisions that aren't emotional. If you calmly and morally resolve to vote for Trump, then you'll vote for Trump. Why would the idea that your guy is going to win create less a resolve to vote for the guy YOU WANT TO WIN?!!

I mean, we STILL have the GOAL to rub the resistance's faces in a POPULAR VOTE for Trump!!!!

That's NOT something to get excited ABOUT?!

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (DuZls)

354 350 Maltese

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2019
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Is that actually a nationality? I thought it was only a breed of dog.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (ClOmq)

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Type of falcon.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (iikV8)

355 How does the media get "booti-judge" out of Buttigieg's last name? Maybe more to the point, how does he get it? Is it Dutch of something?
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He says it's "boot-edge-edge." And I think it's Sodomian.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (hjaPQ)

356 "Yes, he had surgery and then returned to Congress."

Note...it was the brain.

Nothing vital.

At least in Joe's case.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 12:02 PM (cqNba)

357 Did you see Trump coming in 2012 cause I sure as hell didn't. And he didn't come from the bench, he came out of nowhere.

There very well might be another Trump out there that we don't even know about yet because he's not a career politician.
Posted by: JackStraw


That has name recognition AND doesn't need the Republican Party's money?



Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 12:02 PM (3oX+R)

358 The GOP would have held the House if it wasn't for Ryan, McCain, and all the retirements.

The GOP was determined to miss every opportunity 2016-2018.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 12:02 PM (xfb67)

359 For those that are concerned about Demonicrat voter fraud, consider this. The fraud occurs mostly in urban, black areas that the Demonicrats are already going to win. So, there are fewer States whose electoral votes will be added to their column. There are some areas like Arizona that might be swung, but Trump is going to win other States, like Minnesota or Nevada. Plus, Trump has been kneecapping the Obama appointed Federal judges by appointing stricter constructionists. No, the fraud might increase the popular vote for the generic Demonicrat candidate, but will not swing the electoral vote. Now, the Demonicrats will make an issue out of this, like Russian Collusion, to try and delegitimize Trump's victory, but so what. Let them whine.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at August 20, 2019 12:02 PM (VJZgq)

360 Regarding the polls at this stage. The polls mainly affect what is going on below the surface--the so called silent primary. In it, candidates are competing for resources other than voters and testing out messaging/branding strategies. Polls do affect key campaign hires, volunteer enthusiasm and setting up primary state organizations, and serious campaign big dollar donors. That in turn affects primary voting results sometime in the future and also serves to winnow the field. The number of candidates running means that scarcity in qualified staff and donor dollars will cause some to drop out from lack of resources.

So far, a populist style darkhorse insurgent campaign such as McGovern's in 72, Carter's in 1976 or Bill Clinton's in 92 has caught fire yet. All of the DC folks for better or worse cannot run on the outsider ideas very well, especially Biden and donor money can be a trap in of itself. Donors that like to give big demand a quid pro quo in pushing a donor's particular enthusiasms which generally are far from the mainstream.

One outsider, Saunders appears to be fading just like Clean Gene McCarthy in 68 (who was by all accounts a far better person) as it is difficult to capture lightning twice. One example is the demands by his paid staffers to get a living wage whereas in 2016 he got by on enthusiasm.

Identity candidates are also suffering like Kamala, Gabbard, etc. with the possible exception of Warren. Warren, I suspect, appeals to strongly Democratic party women of a certain age that desperately wanted Hillary to be president and represents a second chance for something like it.

Others like Buttgrieg, Kamala, Gabbard, etc. appeal to a narrow band of the party's activists and donors but that makes it difficult to build organizations in states like Iowa and New Hampshire as there just is not enough diversity in those states and out of state staffers are always more problematic parachuting in than relying on local talent in those states. Donor dollars from identity type donors also makes messaging more difficult as the donors want candidate messaging that undercuts trying to build a coalition for primary victory.

My personal guess is that the contest may come down to Biden versus the anti-Biden (at this stage maybe Warren is the anti-Biden). Thus, the Obama Third Termers versus Hillary's Revenge folks. Biden gets knocked out early, then a lot of stuff might happen.

Posted by: whig at August 20, 2019 12:02 PM (hqUZK)

361 There very well might be another Trump out there that we don't even know about yet because he's not a career politician.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (ZLI7S)

Not to mention that we have no idea what's going to be happening out in the wider world between now and 2024. Tipping points abound; countless situations are at the point where they just can't go on much longer. I expect the sky will be filled with Black Swans between now and then.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 12:02 PM (Kpl3J)

362 361 There very well might be another Trump out there that we don't even know about yet because he's not a career politician.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (ZLI7S)

Not to mention that we have no idea what's going to be happening out in the wider world between now and 2024. Tipping points abound; countless situations are at the point where they just can't go on much longer. I expect the sky will be filled with Black Swans between now and then.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 12:02 PM (Kpl3J)

=========

Using the 2008 election as a precedent, we just need to see who gets elected to the Senate in 2022.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (iikV8)

363 I see Mr. Kelly Ann is at it again ranting about Trump being a rapist no one wants to work for...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (O2RFr)

364 They're called Black Swan events for a reason, Trump is a singular historical figure, his kind simply don't occur that often.
Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 20, 2019 12:00 PM (88mwq)


"The Mule"

Posted by: Isaac Asimov at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (JVrQi)

365 Felonious had $1.2B in campaign cash, plus untold
millions in "in-kind" contributions from the media, had made "peace"
with the Bernie Brats, and was running against a political novice with
orange skin, "interesting" hair, and a knee-jerk Twitter habit.



And. She. Still. Lost.



I still marvel at that.

Posted by: DocJ at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (77WPm)



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And, she had the intelligence community.



How much of that advantage will ANY Democratic candidate have in 2020?


Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM

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And she had real time intelligence form the Trump campaign. She was being fed every single email and phone call that was done by anyone associated with Trump's inner campaign circle by brennan's IC.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (JUOKG)

366 I wonder what kind of gifts are being showered on Iowa due to first caucus. This needs to be changed. Maybe float it.

If we continue saying Trump will win in a landslide, it will permeate. Isn't this how the left works?

Trump is a russian puppet, so people believe it even now.
Trump is a racists, so people believe it even now.
Recession? People believe it because we are being overwhelmed with the lie.

Trump in a landslide. But I sure hope it is like whacking the left across the head with a 2x4 in numbers and is indeed a landslide.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (vEIlU)

367 I was going to ask if Crenshaw's the guy who looks sort of like Race Bannon with an eye patch.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius



Crenshaw backs red flag laws. With an eyepatch.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (3oX+R)

368 340 IIRC lotsa people here were convinced the GOP would hold the house in 2018 as well.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at August 20, 2019 11:59 AM (FiUMj)



Actually, no. A lot of GOPee shits did not work with Trump in the first two years. They *deserved* to lose.

And I think most of them were weeded out in 2018.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (ujg0T)

369 Seriously, I got a chuckle out of Twitter, but the more time I spent on it the more obvious it seemed to me to be inconsequential.


Someone once told me to get twitter because I'd never be bored. That's true to some extent. I try to have a book with me if I'm going to the DMV but for short waits at a checkout line twitter is a thorough distraction.

I changed my twitter handle to Bandersnatch with some idea of growing the brand, but I have yet to tweet and don't want a profile other than here.

It is nice to get news nuggets and to follow foreign things. I have a total crush on the girl who used to run the AfD, Frauke Petry, who pulls off that mannish no makeup look without looking lesbian.

But yeah, pretty much checkout lines. I can't even follow the threads when Ace posts twelve twitters at once, I don't know who's responding to whom.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 12:04 PM (fuK7c)

370 364 They're called Black Swan events for a reason, Trump is a singular historical figure, his kind simply don't occur that often.
Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 20, 2019 12:00 PM (88mwq)

"The Mule"
Posted by: Isaac Asimov at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (JVrQi)

===========

That was the best Foundation book.

And I swear it was an influence on the movie Looper, though no one has ever said so.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Black Mamba at August 20, 2019 12:04 PM (iikV8)

371 For those of you who do not know much about Charles Kirk Wikipedia has quite a long article on him detailing his racist and any connections to the alt right, white supremacists and neo Nazis

Posted by: Kurt at August 20, 2019 12:05 PM (lFMiV)

372 358 The GOP would have held the House if it wasn't for Ryan, McCain, and all the retirements.

The GOP was determined to miss every opportunity 2016-2018.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 12:02 PM (xfb67)

Not just miss an opportunity; we now know that McCain and Ryan (and Corker, and Flake, and a bunch of others) were dedicated to sabotaging Trump in every way they could.

Paul Ryan chose to walk away from one of the most powerful positions in government rather than fight to help Trump win. Now he'll never be anything more than a minor footnote in history.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 12:05 PM (Kpl3J)

373 363 I see Mr. Kelly Ann is at it again ranting about Trump being a rapist no one wants to work for...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (O2RFr)


I wonder what Kelly Ann sees in him. Does she find bugnuts crazy attractive?

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 12:05 PM (JVrQi)

374 April's week may get worse yet.

https://bit.ly/2Hi6dnp

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (cqNba)

375
Bork
Bork
Bork

Posted by: Yo! at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (1XAal)

376 Crenshaw backs red flag laws. With an eyepatch.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (3oX+R)

I was very disappointed in him for that huge misstep.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (wYseH)

377 >>That has name recognition AND doesn't need the Republican Party's money?

As I posted above, the RNC just had their most successful July fundraising in an off year every. And it wasn't even close. This isn't the Trump campaign, it's the RNC.

And a large part of that is coming from small donors not big corporations. Trump IS the Republican Party now and he is setting the agenda.

I think it's way too soon to right off what happens in 2024. A year is a lifetime in politics. 5 years is way too far away to predict what will happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (ZLI7S)

378 Did you see Trump coming in 2012 cause I sure as hell didn't. And he didn't come from the bench, he came out of nowhere.

There very well might be another Trump out there that we don't even know about yet because he's not a career politician.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 11:58 AM (ZLI7S)


Getting Trump was catching lightning in a bottle. He had the media savoir faire and cash to do things exactly the way he did. Plus he loves the country. I don't know how much of a financial hit he's taken by being Prez but it must be significant; not that he seems bothered by it one iota.

As you say anything can happen but Mueller and the unfree press have made an outsider running again more fraught with having bad things happen.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (y7DUB)

379 Paul Ryan chose to walk away from one of the most powerful positions in government rather than fight to help Trump win.



Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (lwiT4)

380 Nood ace. Not to put an unwelcome image in your mind.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (RD7QR)

381 Nood anti-Semite congress critters.

Posted by: Peter Ian Staker at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (hg3pQ)

382 Posted by: Kurt at August 20, 2019 12:05 PM (lFMiV)

Hey, break time is over. Back to the glory hole with you.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (JVrQi)

383 Hey guys...Kurts here.

Everyone say 'Hi' to Kurt.

Who is linking to Wikipedia.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2019 12:07 PM (cqNba)

384 Identity candidates are also suffering like Kamala, Gabbard, etc. with
the possible exception of Warren. Warren, I suspect, appeals to
strongly Democratic party women of a certain age that desperately wanted
Hillary to be president and represents a second chance for something
like it.


Good point.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 12:07 PM (T6t7i)

385 Lunch with Ace... Mowing lawn with Ace today.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2019 12:07 PM (vEIlU)

386 I see Mr. Kelly Ann is at it again ranting about Trump being a rapist no one wants to work for...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (O2RFr)

Saw a short clip of Kelly Ann speaking on the WH lawn yesterday, she looks kind of worn out. Personally, I think she should resign and try to figure out what to do at home. There is no way that marriage is in good shape, no husband that actually cared about his wife would do what her husband is doing. The guy is mentally ill and since they have kids, she should be concerned.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 20, 2019 12:07 PM (6rjhq)

387 The October Surprise in 2016 was Pussygate, which was highly coordinated with Media. Hillary & Co thought it would kill Trump and it nearly did.

Try as they still do, Media can't kill Trump with personal attacks. That's why they're now going after his supporters

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 20, 2019 12:08 PM (+aaIl)

388 Is that actually a nationality?


Maltese are Catholic Arabs with bad teeth and worse manners who live on a rock in the Mediterranean that doesn't allow topless bathing.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, fish brag pics welcome at e-mail in nic at August 20, 2019 12:08 PM (fuK7c)

389 I see Mr. Kelly Ann is at it again ranting about Trump being a rapist no one wants to work for...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2019 12:03 PM (O2RFr)


Just fire the abused wife.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2019 12:08 PM (y7DUB)

390 geez. ever write.

I suck at multi-tasking.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2019 12:08 PM (ZLI7S)

391 The bad guy's lair in Looper was a building in downtown New Orleans. I used to drive by it everyday.

The same intersection (heavily modified) was also used in one of the Planet of the Apes in the scenes with the "San Francisco Federal Reserve" building.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 20, 2019 12:09 PM (xfb67)

392 The fraud occurs mostly in urban, black areas that
the Demonicrats are already going to win. So, there are fewer States
whose electoral votes will be added to their column. There are some
areas like Arizona that might be swung, but Trump is going to win other
States, like Minnesota or Nevada. Plus,

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at August 20, 2019 12:02 PM (VJZgq)

This is a catastrophically deluded take.
Philadelphia can swing PA. Milwaukee can swing WI. Detroit can swing MI.And that is all it takes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 20, 2019 12:09 PM (wYseH)

393 371 For those of you who do not know much about Charles Kirk Wikipedia has quite a long article on him detailing his racist and any connections to the alt right, white supremacists and neo Nazis
Posted by: Kurt at August 20, 2019 12:05 PM (lFMiV)



Yawn. The Left Smear Machine says this about every patriot.

It's not working anymore.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 12:09 PM (ujg0T)

394 I was at my Knights of Columbus meeting and some members prayed for a
Trump win we heard Ohio went Trump and I turned everything off because I
thought he had no chance to win.


I got good and hammered in anticipation of what the next four years were going to be like under Her Heinous' iron fist. Went to bed early, got up the next morning with a hurtin' haid to find B'Gal had put a little note outside the bedroom door that said "We Won!"

The hurtin' haid went away immediately. Still have the little sticker they gave me at the poll that said "I voted" up on the mirror. When PDT wins this time, I think we can pretty much declare a Mandate from the People and start telling the Progs to fuck off every time one of them opens their Campaign Contribution Hole to say something stoopid.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #PurgeProgressivism at August 20, 2019 12:09 PM (HaL55)

395 330

I would be happy with a Pence if he would win.

And therein lies the problem.


Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 12:01 PM (T6t7i)

yes. We tried moderates and nice guys, and always lost, i.e. Dole, Bush Sr, McCain, and Romney. Trump found a way to win and wining is the only thing that works. I don't know if Pence could win but he might. It will probably be determined by Trump's second term. Hell, Reagan got Bush elected.

Posted by: Quint at August 20, 2019 12:09 PM (n13/j)

396 And she had real time intelligence form the Trump campaign. She was being fed every single email and phone call that was done by anyone associated with Trump's inner campaign circle by brennan's IC.
______________

Yep, she had every conceivable advantage, including the entire f*cking federal bureaucracy working overtime to sabotage Trump, and she still couldn't pull it out.

Such a loser.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 20, 2019 12:10 PM (k4dH2)

397 Nood already? This thread is just getting warmed up:

1. If not Pence, who?
2. Is wealth disparity a serious problem, even if the Left's "solutions" to is are utterly wrong.
3. What we all did on Election Night 2016
4. How the 2020 election will unfold

Please Ace, hold back on new posts! We are just getting started here! :-)

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 12:11 PM (ujg0T)

398 Saw a short clip of Kelly Ann speaking on the WH lawn yesterday, she
looks kind of worn out. Personally, I think she should resign and try to
figure out what to do at home.


Agree.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2019 12:11 PM (T6t7i)

399 Any man not currently and presently having seks with a black man is a racisty homophobe.

Posted by: klaftern at August 20, 2019 12:11 PM (RuIsu)

400 The polls mainly affect what is going on below the surface--the so called silent primary. In it, candidates are competing for resources other than voters and testing out messaging/branding strategies."

An amusing aspect of this is how pissed off all of the Dem candidates are at Tom Steyer for entering the race. Steyer of course is the green radical billionaire who has been shrieking about impeachment. He was supposed to be providing big funding to one or more candidates, they were all hoping for some of his support. But now, he's decided to run himself (an idiotic fit of vanity) and not only is he not funding anyone, he is going to force them to USE some funding just to fight him, too.

oh, they are pissed at him for pulling that crap. Heh.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2019 12:12 PM (Kpl3J)

401 Nood ace. Not to put an unwelcome image in your mind.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at August 20, 2019 12:06 PM (RD7QR)
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NP. The Ewok hair takes care of it.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2019 12:13 PM (DuZls)

402 The news here in so fl clamoring poll results that 69% of Americans support universal background checks and assault gun bans and no security weapons in the hands of teachers in school and more.

For real?

Posted by: Floridachick at August 20, 2019 12:15 PM (ZcE3r)

403 And we have a rabid anti gun chick running the state dept that controls ccw.

Posted by: Floridachick at August 20, 2019 12:16 PM (ZcE3r)

404 Insom:

https://traceminerals.com/ concentrace-trace-mineral-drops/#tabs-1218-0-1

or

https://www.lithiaspringwaterstore.com

or

http://drinkcrazywater.com

It won't jolt you out of a dim mood, but it may help. I've been using the drops recently and have experienced improved concentration and some relief from obsessive worries and regrets.

Also, please spend some time telling yourself the truth. God loves and understands you and we do too.

Posted by: Emmie at August 20, 2019 12:17 PM (i/wJA)

405 I think it's still too soon to be prognosticating any election results. As quickly as events come and go anymore, there's no telling the state of the nation will be even 90 days from now.

I would expect a post like this next summer but not now. Too much can happen between now and then.

Posted by: Sooner at August 20, 2019 12:21 PM (Fs5vw)

406 The way I see it is it all comes down to the Spy-gate plot. If all is revealed, it is inevitably going to lead to Obama, and if Trump accuses Obama of being a big time traitor, no letter what the evidence, he won't win a single black vote. So the question is, how to nail the black hats, without nailing the Big Black Hat?

Ps. If Trump let's all the black hats skate, he loses a lot of (real) conservative support, and gains nothing. This is a tough situation!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 20, 2019 12:21 PM (e5/cJ)

407 Red flag law Crenshaw? Yeah. Fuck him.
=====

Obviously, he is very new at all this. Like Tom Cotton at first. So much into their professionalism that they kinda forget that most of the US is not military career-oriented. All due respect, but that 'only the professionals' should be doing whatever goes against everything a lot of the US holds dear.

Cruz, Cotton, and Crenshaw are very good. I'm gonna throw out Mike Pompeo for 2024 as well.

Haley and Pence have reached their true talents -- supporting the leader.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 20, 2019 12:22 PM (MIKMs)

408 "... no MATTER what the evidence..."

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 20, 2019 12:23 PM (e5/cJ)

409 406 The way I see it is it all comes down to the Spy-gate plot. If all is revealed, it is inevitably going to lead to Obama, and if Trump accuses Obama of being a big time traitor, no letter what the evidence, he won't win a single black vote. So the question is, how to nail the black hats, without nailing the Big Black Hat?

Ps. If Trump let's all the black hats skate, he loses a lot of (real) conservative support, and gains nothing. This is a tough situation!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 20, 2019 12:21 PM (e5/cJ)



Let them go. Solidify the votes of true patriots when this all gets exposed.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 12:23 PM (ujg0T)

410 407 Red flag law Crenshaw? Yeah. Fuck him.
=====

Obviously, he is very new at all this. Like Tom Cotton at first. So much into their professionalism that they kinda forget that most of the US is not military career-oriented. All due respect, but that 'only the professionals' should be doing whatever goes against everything a lot of the US holds dear.

Cruz, Cotton, and Crenshaw are very good. I'm gonna throw out Mike Pompeo for 2024 as well.

Haley and Pence have reached their true talents -- supporting the leader.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 20, 2019 12:22 PM (MIKMs)



Definitely true for Haley.

Again, I am not sold on Pence, I just know he was a loyal solider for Trump and Trump rewards that kind of thing.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 20, 2019 12:25 PM (ujg0T)

411 407 Haley and Pence have reached their true talents -- supporting the leader.

Yep, I think a lot of us have come around to the view that a leader with a bit of teh Crazy is more effective than one with a shitload of gravitas. More fun too.
Look at Romney and McCain - gravitas (pomposity) out the ass, and losers.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 20, 2019 12:30 PM (e5/cJ)

412 Turn over a progressive rock and you get a swarm of Commie ideologues gnawing at your ankles.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at August 20, 2019 12:30 PM (e1mEI)

413 Posted by: Kurt at August 20, 2019 12:05 PM (lFMiV)

Nice of you to admit he is smarter than you.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 20, 2019 12:43 PM (a72/q)

414 Turn over a progressive rock and you get a swarm of Commie ideologues gnawing at your ankles.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew
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Scratch a Liberal, find a Nazi.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 20, 2019 12:54 PM (Pu/Kw)

415 campi provide the cannon fodder for ANTIFA and socialist voting blocks. Rich kids told they are BAD and need to make up for it by going out and beating the crap out of (republicans, Trump voters, normal everyday people), and voting for who ever we tell you to vote for.

Posted by: truth never occurs to them at August 20, 2019 01:37 PM (0hOKG)

416 Neither Romney nor McCain have/had gravitas

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at August 20, 2019 01:37 PM (SMyjc)

417 Hi Kelly Anne what's your game now,can anybody play?

Posted by: saf at August 20, 2019 01:47 PM (5IHGB)

418 FWIW, I've been suspended numerous times. I've always appealed and been reinstated.

Posted by: Tom22ndState at August 20, 2019 03:18 PM (Pwyvi)

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