Barr Demands Answers for Epstein Death

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FoxNews;

Attorney General William Barr said Saturday that he is "appalled" by the death of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein - and said that he has spoken to the Department of Justice's inspector general about opening a probe into the circumstances surrounding the apparent suicide.

"I was appalled to learn that Jeffrey Epstein was found dead early this morning from an apparent suicide while in federal custody. Mr. Epstein's death raises serious questions that must be answered. In addition to the FBI's investigation, I have consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation into the circumstances of Mr. Epstein's death."


Epstein, who is accused of sex trafficking minors, was found unresponsive inside his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City around 6:30 a.m. Life-saving measures were initiated immediately by responding staff. He was transported to the New York Presbyterian-Lower Manhattan Hospital and was dead on arrival, officials said.

The New York City medical examiner's office told Fox News that an autopsy is pending to determine the cause of death. But the death comes two weeks after the 66-year-old was placed on suicide watch after being found injured in his cell. Epstein was in his own cell at the time of his death and was no longer on suicide watch, according to the Associated Press.

I'm certainly not going to knock anyone for speculating about foul play here, but I do think there's a case that this was just a suicide, enabled by the usual high standards of government work.

He tried to kill himself three weeks ago. He had been on suicide watch, but no longer was. (I don't know how long they keep you on suicide watch, but obviously the answer isn't "forever.") Now in a bed with regular bedsheets (I heard someone say that suicide watch bedsheets are intentionally flimsy so they can't be used as a noose without simply tearing), he offed himself.

Were guards supposed to check up on him every half our or so? Maybe. But you can kill yourself quickly if you want, and besides, the guards really aren't there to keep you from killing yourself. They're there to follow the protocols that will keep them from getting fired. There's a difference, you know?

Not saying that there's nothing to the darker speculations -- I'm just saying the least-sinister theory of the case shouldn't be dismissed.

But, on the other hand, the Daily Mail suggests that there might be something more sinister here:

Jeffrey Epstein was found hanged in his prison cell at Metropolitan Correctional Center on Saturday morning

However, a source who has seen Epstein in recent weeks has told DailyMail.com that 'there was no indication he might try to take his own life'

The insider further claims the billionaire had told prison guards and fellow inmates that he feared someone had tried to kill him

Epstein, 66, was briefly hospitalized on July 24 after being found semi-conscious on the floor of his jail cell

It is unclear whether he attempted suicide or whether was attacked

The billionaire was not on suicide watch at the time he took his own life on
Saturday, sparking outrage from top Washington figures

Attorney General Will Barr has ordered both the FBI and the Inspector General to open investigations into Epstein's death

Epstein's death comes just 24 hours after explosive court documents were unsealed implicating several powerful men in Epstein's sex scandals

The Hero of Cucks, Ben "Spotlight" Sassy, saw a chance to strut around and play Pretend Hero and so he's getting his quotes printed in the liberal press.


Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) on Saturday wrote a letter to Attorney General William Barr that "heads must roll" regarding Jeffrey Epstein's apparent suicide after his body was found and it was reported that he had been take off suicide watch.

"The Department of Justice failed, and today Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators think they might have just gotten one last sweetheart deal," Sasse, who chairs the the Senate Judiciary oversight subcommittee, wrote in the letter.

"Every single person in the Justice Department -- from your Main Justice headquarters staff all the way to the night-shift jailer -- knew that this man was a suicide risk, and that his dark secrets couldn't be allowed to die with him," he added.

"Given Epstein's previous attempted suicide, he should have been locked in a padded room under unbroken, 24/7, constant surveillance. Obviously, heads must roll," he wrote.

Um, that sounds unconstitutional. If we did that to a suicidal illegal immigrant who'd been detained, Sassy would be screaming that we were Nazi Germany, putting people inside the Panopticon.

And in the meanwhile, Sassyboy has had not one word to say about the DOJ's leaking and lying and spying on a presidential candidate.

This might be a clue worth following up on:


lastvisitor

Amusing:



Posted by: Ace of Spades at 04:10 PM




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1 What a cluster****.

Not suicide.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:11 PM (sy5kK)

2 Just logged in and got a first!

I don't ever have to worry about losing a #1 to Epstein ever again!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:12 PM (sy5kK)

3 Not gonna say it was Arkancide, but it was Arkancide.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:13 PM (sy5kK)

4 Just when the Jeffery Epstein show was getting good, Hollywood goes and cancels his show.


Eff Hollywood.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:13 PM (sy5kK)

5 For those who didn't see this coming from light years away...the line for stupid forms over there.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 04:14 PM (LOq4H)

6 Is there anybody out there?

- LCD doing a Pink Floyd cover.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:15 PM (sy5kK)

7 Shaun Attwood is an ex-con with a popular Youtube channel that interviews other ex-cons about their prison experiences. He made a video one week ago predicting this and explaining how it would happen:
https://tinyurl.com/y3vfwkvl

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 10, 2019 04:15 PM (rnXGe)

8
Eff Hollywood.





Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

Eh, we all knew how it was going to end anyway.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 04:16 PM (LOq4H)

9 There's a fly in the suicide ointment...why do it AFTER the docs had been released? Before, sure. Salvage what you can of your reputation. But the cat was out of the bag. What does suicide accomplish at this point?

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 04:16 PM (RK98Q)

10 Not gonna say it was Arkancide, but it was Arkancide.

Cui bono ?

Posted by: Racist
Russian Agent
Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at August 10, 2019 04:17 PM (lD3vL)

11 He started talking...

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:17 PM (bUjCl)

12 'there was no indication he might try to take his own life'

Except for the vast number of people saying he might end up dead from "suicide".

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 10, 2019 04:17 PM (AZD0r)

13 I really hope that Barr doubles his US Marshall protection, and hire a food taster.

He's one of the few still left that hasn't sold out to the Globalists.

That makes him a target.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:18 PM (sy5kK)

14 Ben Sasse CR 89 = RINO

Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2019 04:18 PM (mpXpK)

15
So the Left thinks Putin sent a crack squad of Spetnaz pee-whores to take him out?

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 04:18 PM (NMAzL)

16 They were on suicide watch not suicide prevention. Conservatives say clintons did it liberals will say trump did it one will be wrong.

Posted by: raimondo at August 10, 2019 04:18 PM (VpPqb)

17 >>.12 'there was no indication he might try to take his own life'

Except for the vast number of people saying he might end up dead from "suicide".

...

well, many people said that about anthony weiner too.

A few people suggested it about Michael Cohen.

Prison is a very scary prospect for someone who came up the soft way.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:19 PM (PbpT7)

18 Hahaha Sasse is probably in on it.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at August 10, 2019 04:19 PM (5rWvu)

19 I'm hoping there is an attorney with the package of tapes and docs, which were to be released in case of "suicide".

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 04:20 PM (LOq4H)

20
The number of actors with the means to do this is more than one. This is happened right after one of the girls claims she was forced to fuck Prince Andrew was made public.

THe Daily Mail has several pieces with pics of Prince Andrew with one of the girls, and with Epstein.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 04:20 PM (NMAzL)

21 If they can kill the most valuable prisoner in America with absolutely no consequences, they'll know they can kill any one of us, at any time, for any reason.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at August 10, 2019 04:20 PM (T8HPM)

22 >>>The number of actors with the means to do this is more than one. This is happened right after one of the girls claims she was forced to fuck Prince Andrew was made public.

THe Daily Mail has several pieces with pics of Prince Andrew with one of the girls, and with Epstein.

...

hmmm....

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:21 PM (PbpT7)

23 He knew he was never going to get out of prison.
Especially when denied bail.
He should have stayed in France.
Maybe AOC's ex chief of staff will take his cell.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 04:21 PM (QMwOT)

24 People killed by the Russians commit suicide by eating polonium.

This is strickly Little Rock.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 04:22 PM (oVJmc)

25
The Epstein-Barr Virus sweeps over Washington!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 10, 2019 04:22 PM (Wx/+I)

26 There was a line in Reversal of Fortune where Claus Von Bulow says, just before the jury verdict comes in, "In Europe, gentlemen are usually permitted to arrange their affairs before being imprisoned."

Asking if Americans also allow gentlemen to kill themselves rather than going to prison.

I really don't think this sort of thing is very rare at all.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:22 PM (PbpT7)

27 Seriously, what's a surveillance camera cost? Too much for the federal budget?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 04:22 PM (oVJmc)

28 There's a fly in the suicide ointment...why do it AFTER the docs had been released? Before, sure. Salvage what you can of your reputation. But the cat was out of the bag. What does suicide accomplish at this point?

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 04:16 PM (RK98Q)

Epstein said someone DID try to kill him before, and documents and evidence has a way of disappearing as needed...like the giant fire at Epsteins island back in January.

Epstein terrifying would be a nightmare for them.
Epstein dead and forgotten a month later is workable.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 04:23 PM (aRAMD)

29
Death squad from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Bet on it.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 10, 2019 04:23 PM (Wx/+I)

30 One knows it's a big story when Ace makes a Saturday appearance.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 04:24 PM (LOq4H)

31 This might be a clue worth following up on:



Colonel Montoya!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 10, 2019 04:24 PM (yQpMk)

32 No, of course the Get-Trump law enforcement and prosecutorial establishments in NYC wouldn't possibly have done a solid for their old buddies the Clintons, who did so much for so many of their careers.

No reason to think that at all.

I'll be honest. At this stage, I don't honestly know I'd consider "suicide" a credible conclusion.

Posted by: Brother Cavil says at August 10, 2019 04:24 PM (D5yyd)

33 Sassy would be screaming that we were Nazi Germany, putting people inside the Panopticon.
***

For the record most of the left is down with the Panopticon for society as a whole now.

Well, the ones that actually read.


The other ones are just kind of going "yeah pancake those m*****f***ers. Wait, why do we want to pancake them again?"

Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2019 04:24 PM (WdocV)

34
Ace interrupts his Saturday pelt grooming to make an appearance.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 10, 2019 04:25 PM (Wx/+I)

35 Da HillRod looks good with a pronstache!

Posted by: klaftern at August 10, 2019 04:25 PM (RuIsu)

36 I'm no fan of Sasse, but isn't he exactly correct about the DOJ 's complete and utter screw up regarding Epstein's 'suiciide'?

Posted by: Deesek at August 10, 2019 04:25 PM (OKOVH)

37 This is just too damn convenient for too many high-powered people. If it was suicide, he had help.

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 04:25 PM (RK98Q)

38 and piss off, racist foreign fuck.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 10, 2019 04:26 PM (yQpMk)

39 >>>36 I'm no fan of Sasse, but isn't he exactly correct about the DOJ 's complete and utter screw up regarding Epstein's 'suiciide'?

I dunno. He's demanding a sentence before an investigation. Has he similarly done that in any other case? Or does he routinely swear to the integrity and competency of the DOJ?

When it comes to the spying and weaponization of the DOJ and CIA, Sisse has taken a very wait-and-see attitude.

Now he's going full Red Queen.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:26 PM (PbpT7)

40 And CNN and the like keep bringing up Trump as being buds with the late Epstein.. Didn't hear the name Clinton

Posted by: It's me donna at August 10, 2019 04:26 PM (O2RFr)

41 *whew*

Posted by: George Mitchell at August 10, 2019 04:27 PM (oVJmc)

42 16 They were on suicide watch not suicide prevention. Conservatives say clintons did it liberals will say trump did it one will be wrong.
Posted by: raimondo at August 10, 2019 04:18 PM (VpPqb)

Naw: Both combined to hire a hitman, the one who did the Foster thing for the Clintons - has a very good reputation in the industry. That would explain the message PDT sent to Bill this morning, "The Jew sleeps with the fishes."

If its on the internet it must be true. Right?

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 04:27 PM (QMwOT)

43
Social media bullying claims another victim.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 10, 2019 04:27 PM (Wx/+I)

44 This is not about Epstein's death but I would like to know how all the girls got to be sex slaves? We're they kidnapped, told they were going to become models or actresses, were underage prostitutes in some other countries or what?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 04:27 PM (+0VWg)

45 9 There's a fly in the suicide ointment...why do it AFTER the docs had been released? Before, sure. Salvage what you can of your reputation. But the cat was out of the bag. What does suicide accomplish at this point?
Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 04:16 PM (RK98Q)


First rule is to stop the bleeding after getting hit.


The bleeding has been stopped.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:27 PM (sy5kK)

46 say, Ghislaine Maxwell (a close associate) is from the UK...and her father, one Robert Maxwell, died mysteriously on his luxurious yacht - fell overboard while having attack of the heart. That was one man with a very intersting past, right there.

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:27 PM (bUjCl)

47 Sasse can be a dick but to his credit he has been on the Epstein thing for some time and he grilled Barr on it during his confirmation.

https://tinyurl.com/y3zrzzv6

I think he is interested in finding out how Epstein got off the first time with such a light sentence and who at the DOJ approved it.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 04:27 PM (ZLI7S)

48 There are three possibilities.


1) Epstein committed suicide, because the people running the prison are incompetent.

2) Epstein committed suicide, because the people running the prison let him/helped him.

3) Epstein did not committed suicide, and someone in the prison let him be murdered.


And if someone working there gets Arkanicided in the next couple of days we'll know the answer is not #1.



Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2019 04:28 PM (WdocV)

49 Had to borrow this Hillary pic.

Posted by: Guido at August 10, 2019 04:28 PM (fBape)

50 Sadly, this murder/suicide investigation will go nowhere. The rot runs too deep.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 04:28 PM (LOq4H)

51 This is 58 or 59 coincidences now.

Posted by: jsg at August 10, 2019 04:29 PM (6DJ0y)

52 Sasse pounces.

Posted by: 13times at August 10, 2019 04:29 PM (K3B2k)

53
I think he is interested in finding out how Epstein got off the first time with such a light sentence and who at the DOJ approved it.



And most importantly how to get those negatives back!

Posted by: Ben Sassy at August 10, 2019 04:29 PM (oVJmc)

54 And what happens to that horrible woman Ghislaine (or whatever her name was) Maxwell who was his procurer? All goes down the memory hole now that he's -supposedly-dead?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 04:29 PM (+0VWg)

55 That mustache. It reaks of Huma.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 04:30 PM (IVoO9)

56 Prison is a very scary prospect for someone who came up the soft way. 

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:19 PM (PbpT7)

Who pulled the guards off that day and it's a hell of a coincidence that he was suicides the day he was taken off suicide watch and the "mix up" with the guards all at the same time?

I think I saw this in The Godfather.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 04:30 PM (aRAMD)

57 No greater proof that we are living in a banana republic.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 04:30 PM (oVJmc)

58 Is this where they pretend to investigate while Comey et al walk around scot free?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 10, 2019 04:30 PM (oAY8z)

59 Mr. Epstein's close associate, is what I meant, naturally..

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:30 PM (bUjCl)

60 44 This is not about Epstein's death but I would like to know how all the girls got to be sex slaves? We're they kidnapped, told they were going to become models or actresses, were underage prostitutes in some other countries or what?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 04:27 PM (+0VWg)

They were underage girls in poverty or runaways in mostly European countries. Epstein had a woman who recruited them. Initially, they just had to give "massages" and were paid $200, which was a huge amount of money to them. After a while on the island, they were required to do more.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:31 PM (sy5kK)

61 >>>Who pulled the guards off that day and it's a hell of a coincidence that he was suicides the day he was taken off suicide watch and the "mix up" with the guards all at the same time?


well I haven't read that yet. I don't know about the exact circumstances.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:31 PM (PbpT7)

62 >> Ghislaine Maxwell

She better be looking over her shoulder. Where is she, now?

Anyway, she's as good as dead.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 04:31 PM (NMAzL)

63 I'm announcing the Ace Fyreskull Festival, to take place on the late Jeffrey Epstein's sex island.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:31 PM (PbpT7)

64 They were on suicide watch not suicide prevention. Conservatives say clintons did it liberals will say trump did it one will be wrong.
Posted by: raimondo at August 10, 2019 04:18 PM



One side will be wrong? I guess now we know you're not Jonah Goldberg.

Posted by: Hands at August 10, 2019 04:32 PM (786Ro)

65 >>>One side will be wrong? I guess now we know you're not Jonah Goldberg.


hah.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:32 PM (PbpT7)

66 It will be fun to add up all the "coincidences" which led to this poor fellows untimely demise...

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 04:33 PM (LOq4H)

67 Someone is not going to be happy.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 04:33 PM (JUOKG)

68 I have no idea how feds deal with a potentially suicidal inmate, but in Dawson county Georgia they take all your clothing....no socks, no nothing, put you in what's called a "turtle suit" which is basically two large pads they sandwich you into....green and round, hence the name. Then they put you in a padded cell...padded floor, no fixtures, no bed, just a hole in the padding and floor in the middle of the room to relieve yourself in. Food is sandwiches delivered in a bag and koolaid in a styrofoam cup. The door to the padded cell is 5 feet from the watch commanders station.....the busiest place in the jail with someone walking by the window at least every 10 minutes....24/7. Most county jails in Georgia are similar. Constitutional or not, that's how it's done.

Posted by: Jailbird at August 10, 2019 04:33 PM (djB9D)

69 No, seriously, I can record every angle around my house for like, what $150 for some cams and a DVR, but federal prisoners? Bupkis.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 04:33 PM (oVJmc)

70 I would like to send my condolences to Ms Ghislaine Maxwell. It is a real shame about her unexpected suicide tomorrow.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 10, 2019 04:33 PM (WdocV)

71 Ace, hate to tell you about that picture, but that mustache is fake. A disguise.


But hey, it worked!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:34 PM (sy5kK)

72 There is luck and there is luck...

Then. There is Clinton Luck.


Of course. Clinton Luck involves an inordinate amount of people in your immediate orbit dying.

Always in the most convenient way at the most convenient times, too.



Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 04:34 PM (IVoO9)

73 I need details, is festival attendance by invite only ...and will transportation to and from be provided ?

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:34 PM (bUjCl)

74 Of course. Clinton Luck involves an inordinate amount of people in your immediate orbit dying.

___

That's rich!

Posted by: Seth at August 10, 2019 04:34 PM (WdocV)

75 >>>I have no idea how feds deal with a potentially suicidal inmate, but in Dawson county Georgia they take all your clothing....no socks, no nothing, put you in what's called a "turtle suit" which is basically two large pads they sandwich you into....green and round, hence the name. Then they put you in a padded cell...padded floor, no fixtures, no bed, just a hole in the padding and floor in the middle of the room to relieve yourself in

interesting but bear in mind his first suicide attempt was three weeks ago-- you can't hold someone in that kind of serious restraint forever. You'd run into 8th Amendment problems, cruel and unusual punishment.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:34 PM (PbpT7)

76 >>And what happens to that horrible woman Ghislaine (or whatever her name was) Maxwell who was his procurer? All goes down the memory hole now that he's -supposedly-dead?

SDNY has put out a statement asking victims to continue to come forward and stating that the conspiracy indictment is still going forward.

I'd say she's still on the hook.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 04:35 PM (ZLI7S)

77 he talked

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:35 PM (bUjCl)

78
Asking if Americans also allow gentlemen to kill themselves rather than going to prison.

I really don't think this sort of thing is very rare at all.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:22 PM (PbpT7)

There's normally a degree of formality to it: a last brandy, a cigarette, revolver with one cartridge, that sort of thing.

None of this strangled in the middle of the night.

Posted by: Wiliam Shatner in Se7en at August 10, 2019 04:35 PM (MwFQu)

79 >I have no idea how feds deal with a potentially suicidal inmate, but in Dawson county Georgia they take all your clothing....no socks, no nothing, put you in what's called a "turtle suit" which is basically two large pads they sandwich you into....green and round, hence the name. Then they put you in a padded cell...padded floor, no fixtures, no bed, just a hole in the padding and floor in the middle of the room to relieve yourself in

They could've told Epstein it was kinky sex play. He'd have loved it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 04:36 PM (oVJmc)

80 Unfortunately convenient. Hopefully, somebody knows where the tapes are.

Also, 2 reasons to know that PDT wasn't involved.

One - No attempt by the President to block the release of documents. He knows he had nothing to worry about.

Two - Robert Mueller, Director of the FBI during the first Epstein incident, and most recently, the wily hunter trying to find a crime. If there was a hint of involvement, we would have known that long before Epstein was arrested.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at August 10, 2019 04:36 PM (Hn6S7)

81 she is not talking, because she knows what happens when people talk

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:36 PM (bUjCl)

82 >>>None of this strangled in the middle of the night.


no, I just meant, I don't think it's surprising that a rich guy facing hard time should kill himself.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:36 PM (PbpT7)

83 someone earlier mentioned they did PREVENT suicide with McVeigh ... and imo Epstein is a bigger fish. If steps were taken to allow suicide, that is criminal, if they can prove it ... well, criminal even if they can't prove it, or even if it gets wiped with a cloth.


And for whatever reason, Coulter was sure two weeks ago he needed to be moved to a SuperMax pronto ... seems clear many people think the corruption runs so deep that he was not safe where he was. So who said "No, he will be fine, don't be a hysterical woman always trying to sell books"? (Ann is awesome, imo, always fighting)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2019 04:36 PM (Cus5s)

84
You'd think they'd have a camera on him all the time. I mean, cameras are everywhere now.

I expect the investigation (or "investigation") will find all sorts of unexpected glitches in all the surveillance systems.

Well, I'll be, that camera malfunctioned...it's the darndest thing. There Juan Epstein was sitting in his cell, tape goes dark for a few minutes, and bam! there he is hanging dead. Darn computers, you know how they are.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 04:36 PM (NMAzL)

85 interesting but bear in mind his first suicide
attempt was three weeks ago-- you can't hold someone in that kind of
serious restraint forever. You'd run into 8th Amendment problems, cruel
and unusual punishment.





Posted by: ace



True, but isn't there a thing called "protective custody"?

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 04:37 PM (LOq4H)

86 >>I just meant, I don't think it's surprising that a rich guy facing hard time should kill himself.


Without rubbing one out? This perv?


Doubtful.

Posted by: Zombie Caradine at August 10, 2019 04:37 PM (IVoO9)

87 How do we know the first incident was an attempted suicide?

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 04:37 PM (RK98Q)

88 None of this strangled in the middle of the night.
***

Or shot in the back of the dead in a "mugging", being shot before being in a plane crash, etc...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2019 04:37 PM (WdocV)

89 there was a case of "DC MAdam" or someone like that, years ago. she procured flesh to DC elite. she kept a book/diary. she published it or talked about it. and then died.

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:38 PM (bUjCl)

90 well I haven't read that yet. I don't know about the exact circumstances. 

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:31 PM (PbpT7)

BNL NEWS @BreakingNLive 
BREAKING: Two guards at the MCC who normally have overnight shift that watches over suicide risk inmates, were both told to leave area 3 hours earlier for scheduled "Maintenance" to jail cells and hallways. This morning Epstein was found dead 

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 04:38 PM (aRAMD)

91 I hear the Ft Marcy Park Singers are going to perform at his funeral.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 04:38 PM (IVoO9)

92

The Daily Mail story only has pictures of Epstein with Trump. Funny how the media can't find any pictures of him with Slick Willie

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 10, 2019 04:38 PM (GtbRh)

93 I have no idea how feds deal with a potentially
suicidal inmate, but in Dawson county Georgia they take all your
clothing....no socks, no nothing, put you in what's called a "turtle
suit" which is basically two large pads they sandwich you into....green
and round, hence the name. Then they put you in a padded cell...padded
floor, no fixtures, no bed, just a hole in the padding and floor in the
middle of the room to relieve yourself in. Food is sandwiches delivered
in a bag and koolaid in a styrofoam cup. The door to the padded cell is 5
feet from the watch commanders station.....the busiest place in the
jail with someone walking by the window at least every 10
minutes....24/7. Most county jails in Georgia are similar.
Constitutional or not, that's how it's done.





Posted by: Jailbird at August 10, 2019 04:33 PM

---

Had a buddy in CT that got arrested and put on suicide watch in the State prison. No clothes, shoes or socks, one blanket and had a guard watch him eat off of his foam plate with his plastic spork, which he was relieved of when he was done.


He was on video 24/7 and was checked on every 30 minutes. He never got to sleep because they kept checking on him.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 04:39 PM (JUOKG)

94 Regular strength mustache remover is not working anymore. Time to go extra heavy duty industrial mustache remover.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at August 10, 2019 04:39 PM (pw+jk)

95 >>BREAKING: Two guards at the MCC who normally have overnight shift that watches over suicide risk inmates, were both told to leave area 3 hours earlier for scheduled "Maintenance" to jail cells and hallways.


Apparently, that Cell Block had a Rat Infestation.

Posted by: Blendin Exterminators at August 10, 2019 04:39 PM (IVoO9)

96 >>>Without rubbing one out? This perv?


Doubtful.
Posted by: Zombie Caradine

...

I might have some evidence about that.

Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein's Prison Jerksock at August 10, 2019 04:39 PM (PbpT7)

97 "Maintenance" to jail cells and hallways. This morning Epstein was found dead.

Posted by: Sharrukin2


And those maintenance men where never heard from again.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 04:40 PM (LOq4H)

98 "We're from the government and we're here to help"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 10, 2019 04:40 PM (6qErC)

99 I'm out.

Posted by: Fox Mulder at August 10, 2019 04:41 PM (PbpT7)

100 I saw that donkey chompers tweeted that this needs to be investigated.

Damn.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 10, 2019 04:41 PM (3b35n)

101 26 There was a line in Reversal of Fortune where Claus Von Bulow says, just before the jury verdict comes in, "In Europe, gentlemen are usually permitted to arrange their affairs before being imprisoned."

Asking if Americans also allow gentlemen to kill themselves rather than going to prison.

I really don't think this sort of thing is very rare at all.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:22 PM (PbpT7)



In the Godfather they let Frankie Pentangeli smoke a cigar before he took his last bath.

Did Epstein at least get his cigar? Or did Clinton bogart that, too?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:41 PM (sy5kK)

102 "Every single person in the Justice Department -- from your Main Justice headquarters staff all the way to the night-shift jailer -- knew that this man was a suicide risk, and that his dark secrets couldn't be allowed to die with him," he added.


Maybe that's WHY his dark secrets had to be allowed to die with him.

Posted by: Hands at August 10, 2019 04:41 PM (786Ro)

103 The Clintons didn't do it.

Posted by: Epstein's Mother at August 10, 2019 04:41 PM (6DJ0y)

104 91
I hear the Ft Marcy Park Singers are going to perform at his funeral.

Posted by: garrett


I lol'd.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (LOq4H)

105 So he kidnapped these underage girls and kept them in chains? Why did their parents not contact the police? Interpol? FBI?

What parents let their kids go off with strangers? Were the girls under contract? Minors signing legal contracts?

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (QMwOT)

106 it would be nice if epstein had made a provision where if he died, all of his records would transfer to Julian Assange. huge document dump. let it all out.

let the games begin.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (PkVlr)

107 How do we know the first incident was an attempted suicide?

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 04:37 PM (RK98Q)

Because the people we suspect of killing him told us so!

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (aRAMD)

108 I saw that donkey chompers tweeted that this needs to be investigated.

***

If Clinton goes down it isn't really a bad thing for her. Yeah, the Dems will get hammered in 2020, but that clears the deck for the Jihad Squad to completely take over the Democrats.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (WdocV)

109 ..Guards fell asleep after drinking vine laced with hemlock..

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:43 PM (bUjCl)

110
no, I just meant, I don't think it's surprising that a rich guy facing hard time should kill himself.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:36 PM (PbpT7)

Acce, I agree with you. But it's most likely his suicide involved strangulation, rather than a clean hangman's fracture.

Posted by: Wiliam Shatner in Se7en at August 10, 2019 04:44 PM (MwFQu)

111 Off, weird sock.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 10, 2019 04:44 PM (MwFQu)

112 preventing suicide would just be having a guard right there with him ... not Epstein in restraints all the time. imo

Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2019 04:44 PM (Cus5s)

113 why would ditka want to off epstein?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 10, 2019 04:44 PM (KP5rU)

114 Wanking motion

Posted by: MAGA at August 10, 2019 04:45 PM (D94OL)

115 that was "wine"... not vine (my apologies to the spelling bee winners)

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:45 PM (bUjCl)

116 There are three possibilities.

4) Epstein used his billions and secrets to fake his suicide and now lives in a non-extradition country.

Posted by: Racist
Russian Agent
Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at August 10, 2019 04:46 PM (lD3vL)

117 I thought Tom Hagen was the last person to visit Epstein.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 04:46 PM (c2kQz)

118 let the games begin.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (PkVlr)


Mentioned earlier you'd think if he was so clever as to get where he is (was), he'd be clever enough to have a dead-mans switch in place to make sure he didn't accidentally commit suicide.

I'm thinking that the people he put in place for just such an event were not really there to look after his best interests after all. Once the FBI got all the other pertinent info into a safe place, they got the all-clear and [pitch meeting guy's voice] whoopsie!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 10, 2019 04:46 PM (3b35n)

119

They've released a statement from the guard on duty:




Sgt. Schultz: I saw nothing! I heard nothing! I KNOW NOTHING!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 10, 2019 04:46 PM (GtbRh)

120 a parent suicide

not likely this would cause Epstein's death

Posted by: REDACTED at August 10, 2019 04:46 PM (+8+gB)

121 Arkancide FTW!

Posted by: ALH at August 10, 2019 04:46 PM (GaOgf)

122 while we are on the subject, who killed JFK ?

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:46 PM (bUjCl)

123 So, how's that trust in the federal government doing now?

Yeah

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 10, 2019 04:46 PM (6qErC)

124 Rumor has it that FBI sledgehammers are working overtime this weekend.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 04:46 PM (c2kQz)

125 Never go in against an Arkansan when poon is on the line!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 04:47 PM (oVJmc)

126 The left is already blaming PDT and Putin. Not necessarily in that order

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 04:47 PM (85Gof)

127 16 They were on suicide watch not suicide prevention. Conservatives say clintons did it liberals will say trump did it one will be wrong.
Posted by: raimondo at August 10, 2019 04:18 PM (VpPqb)


Why would Trump want Epstein dead?

Epstein talking means at least 3 more states in 2020.

And it's Saturday afternoon, raimondo. Aren't you supposed to be out in the crowd, picking pockets at the busy market?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 04:47 PM (sy5kK)

128 THIS JUST IN:
Guard assigned to watch Epstein just gave a statement:

"At around 4 am I walked down the hall to the vending area. I put in $1.25 and pushed F-4. My pack of iced donuts got hung up before reaching the catch tray. I spent the next 2 hours rocking the machine until they finally fell down. As I was returning to my duty station, I passed Bill and Hillary Clinton carrying a step ladder and rope, obviously they were doing maintenance as a charitable donation from their foundation.
The donuts were a bit stale and I saw nothing unusual to report until I was awakened a few minutes later outside Mr. Epstein`s cell by a strange gasping sound."

Posted by: Tentotwo at August 10, 2019 04:47 PM (yhf6w)

129 So he kidnapped these underage girls and kept them in chains?

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (QMwOT)

What difference does it make?

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 04:47 PM (aRAMD)

130 I absolutely agree with Sasse that heads must roll, and am totally pessimistic that any will.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (c2kQz)

131 while we are on the subject, who killed JR?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (6qErC)

132 Laws? What laws? We don't need no steenking laws.

Behold your oppressers at work.

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (RK98Q)

133 how can they blame Putin ?! no polonium

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (bUjCl)

134 So he kidnapped these underage girls and kept them in chains? Why did their parents not contact the police? Interpol? FBI?

What parents let their kids go off with strangers? Were the girls under contract? Minors signing legal contracts?
Posted by: The Man from Athens

----

Don't make a common mistake thinking that all parents are like you - decent, caring and loving individuals. I've seen places when you can legally 'buy' people - guys, gals, kids, adults, anyone. Sometimes, it's family that sells them. Much of the world is not at all like life here in the states. Life is cheap and to sell (or buy) a kid is no big deal.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (Y4EXg)

135 Or shot in the back of the dead in a "mugging", being shot before being in a plane crash, etc...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2019 04:37 PM (WdocV)

Two rounds from the single shot weapon found clutched in his hands, delivered at an angle impossible to duplicate.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (MwFQu)

136 Guess he didn't want Bubba doing to him what he did to little girls.

Posted by: ALH at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (GaOgf)

137 Assange has said he has such a document prepared in case of his death (there is a word for that I think) ... Assange also is nicely tucked away. The FBI had no interest in his evidence that the emails of Hillary (?) did not come from Russia, and now there is evidence they did come from Seth.


So did Great Britain spies put him on ice, and we still don't want to know that Seth turned on Hillary? Will Assange be suicided next? There were early reports of what terrible health he was in, but I haven't heard anything lately.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2019 04:49 PM (Cus5s)

138 CNN, CNBC,NBC,CBS,ABC......Not pounding the "Me Too" drum so loud when men involved named Richardson and Mitchell.....

Posted by: MR. KIM at August 10, 2019 04:49 PM (lMn1U)

139 0 I absolutely agree with Sasse that heads must roll, and am totally pessimistic that any will.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (c2kQz)

Yeah? And Sasse the lassie had to make that point why? Was that not obvious

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 04:49 PM (85Gof)

140 Sadly, this murder/suicide investigation will go nowhere. The rot runs too deep.
---
At some point a structure simply has to be condemned and razed.

Posted by: Methos at August 10, 2019 04:49 PM (kOpft)

141 >>>>>interesting but bear in mind his first suicide attempt was three weeks
ago-- you can't hold someone in that kind of serious restraint forever.
You'd run into 8th Amendment problems, cruel and unusual punishment.

If said inmate is still suicidal, they can, and do, keep him in the turtle suit until he gets tired of it and promises to not try and off himself. Then he goes to whatever cell is appropriate for his current classification. It's all about CYA. Suicide watch is a pain for everyone, the prisoner in particular. I wager eventually we'll hear Epstein pinky promised that he wouldn't harm himself so he could get a shower that didn't involve hoses and a hot meal.

Posted by: Jailbird at August 10, 2019 04:50 PM (djB9D)

142 If Clinton goes down it isn't really a bad thing for her. Yeah, the Dems will get hammered in 2020, but that clears the deck for the Jihad Squad to completely take over the Democrats.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (WdocV)


I'd love, love, love to see these cheap commies try to take down the NWO/Rothschild deep state types for us, or at least try. What happens when the "squad" starts turning up dead?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 10, 2019 04:50 PM (3b35n)

143 Much of the world is not at all like life here in the states"

You misspelled "most"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 10, 2019 04:50 PM (6qErC)

144
Don't make a common mistake thinking that all parents are like you - decent, caring and loving individuals. I've seen places when you can legally 'buy' people - guys, gals, kids, adults, anyone. Sometimes, it's family that sells them. Much of the world is not at all like life here in the states. Life is cheap and to sell (or buy) a kid is no big deal.



I got a great deal on a slightly-irregular Belgian.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 04:50 PM (oVJmc)

145 Nurse, Insom says Lucy is some better. I hope she continues to improve.

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 04:50 PM (RK98Q)

146 >>while we are on the subject, who killed JR?

And the sheriff. I had nothing to do with that one.

Posted by: Bob Marley at August 10, 2019 04:50 PM (ZLI7S)

147 Don't make a common mistake thinking that all
parents are like you - decent, caring and loving individuals. I've seen
places when you can legally 'buy' people - guys, gals, kids, adults,
anyone. Sometimes, it's family that sells them. Much of the world is not
at all like life here in the states. Life is cheap and to sell (or buy)
a kid is no big deal.


Posted by: Tonypete at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM

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I have been to Countries where parents literally sell their children into sex slavery. In Thailand, Philippines and Korea that is very common behavior. It is not unexpected to find it happening in the US.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 04:50 PM (JUOKG)

148 63 I'm announcing the Ace Fyreskull Festival, to take place on the late Jeffrey Epstein's sex island.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:31 PM (PbpT7)

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Yeah? Who's your boloney sandwich supplier? Those guys are undependable as fuck.

Posted by: Billy McFarland at August 10, 2019 04:51 PM (c2kQz)

149 Rothschild???

And what does that mean?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 04:51 PM (85Gof)

150 Over 100 comments sooooooooooo....
Brother to a chick with a huge rack, Ben Shapiro's new book rated as Religious intolerance by Amazon. But muh private corporations right little Benny?

Yeah, private leftist corporations and suck a greasy turd out of my asshole.

https://tinyurl.com/y3f47yfc

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at August 10, 2019 04:51 PM (pw+jk)

151 I'll repeat my morning comment. Thanks to the behavior of the FNM and the "protect our phony baloney jobs" bureaucrats aka the deep state I don't just discount my wild imagination "what if they drugged him and then killed him in the ambulance or sumptin" thoughts. I don't like thinking like this, but its the predictable outcome of the FNMs cover-ups for Ds and lies about the facts and the behavior in response to the election of DJT.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at August 10, 2019 04:52 PM (vrfMC)

152 Russian- made suicide watch

case closed

Trump's fault

Posted by: REDACTED at August 10, 2019 04:52 PM (+8+gB)

153 >>>Yeah? Who's your boloney sandwich supplier? Those guys are undependable as fuck.


We'll figure that out on the day.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:52 PM (PbpT7)

154 7 16 They were on suicide watch not suicide prevention. Conservatives say clintons did it liberals will say trump did it one will be wrong.
Posted by: raimondo at August 10, 2019 04:18 PM (VpPqb)

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You're a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 04:52 PM (c2kQz)

155 What parents let their kids go off with strangers? Were the girls under contract? Minors signing legal contracts?

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (QMwOT)



Some girls are sold into sex slavery. By their parents.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 04:52 PM (lwiT4)

156 Sadly, this murder/suicide investigation will go nowhere. The rot runs too deep.
---
At some point a structure simply has to be condemned and razed.
Posted by: Methos at August 10, 2019 04:49 PM (kOpft)


I wouldn't have believed this 10 years ago, but sure do now. After the Vegas shooter, and Notre Dame, where there's barely a follow up question - and the entire country seems to not care - why on earth is this going to be any different?

Honestly, I saw more about GoT's final episode for weeks than I did the Notre Dame fire 48 hours afterwards.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 10, 2019 04:53 PM (3b35n)

157 I have consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation

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wanking motion

See ya in two years

Posted by: MAGA at August 10, 2019 04:53 PM (D94OL)

158 72 There is luck and there is luck...

Then. There is Clinton Luck.


Of course. Clinton Luck involves an inordinate amount of people in your immediate orbit dying.

Always in the most convenient way at the most convenient times, too.



Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 04:34 PM (IVoO9)


What? You're just jealous that you can't go 6 for 6 on big cattle futures trades! OK, the odds are about like winning PowerBall, but still.

It's really a piece of cake.

Posted by: Hillz at August 10, 2019 04:53 PM (sy5kK)

159

Top Men will give Top Answers

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2019 04:53 PM (aKsyK)

160

The left is already blaming PDT and Putin. Not necessarily in that order

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 04:47 PM (85Gof)



I've read them claiming that Bill Barr is behind it too.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 10, 2019 04:54 PM (GtbRh)

161 And what does that mean?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 04:51 PM (85Gof)

We know what it means for clutch cargo.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 04:54 PM (+0VWg)

162 I'll supply boloney sandwiches and blood testing. Just a prick!

Posted by: Elizabeth Holmes at August 10, 2019 04:54 PM (c2kQz)

163 You're a fucking idiot.

And that's something that we can all unite behind.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 04:54 PM (oVJmc)

164 I like the caption

Jailer guarding Epstein at time of suicide

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 04:54 PM (2DOZq)

165 but bear in mind his first suicide attempt was three weeks

ago
----
Um,
"

Epstein, 66, was briefly hospitalized on July 24 after being found semi-conscious on the floor of his jail cell

It is unclear whether he attempted suicide or whether was attacked"


So did anyone ask if he tried to commit suicide (or *other*) three weeks, ago, or are we just assuming it was a suicide attempt because that's what the government wants to claim? I mean maybe the first time he just had less competent help?

Posted by: Methos at August 10, 2019 04:55 PM (kOpft)

166 The left is already blaming PDT and Putin. Not necessarily in that order

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 04:47 PM (85Gof)



I've read them claiming that Bill Barr is behind it too.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 10, 2019 04:54 PM (GtbRh)

And of course he is also responsible for the Lindbergh Kidnapping

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 04:55 PM (85Gof)

167 Here's the US Attorney's statement.

https://tinyurl.com/y65bw8p2

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 04:55 PM (ZLI7S)

168

The left is already blaming PDT and Putin. Not necessarily in that order

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 04:47 PM (85Gof)



I've read them claiming that Bill Barr is behind it too.



It's all the Hitlers. It always is.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 04:55 PM (oVJmc)

169 I think Epstein committed suicide. I also think he bribed his guards to look the other way and allow him the opportunity to kill himself.

Unless Hillary bribed the guards to look the other way and allow Epstein the opportunity to kill himself.

Posted by: biancaneve at August 10, 2019 04:55 PM (hkMx0)

170 Trump trying to impress his bf Vlad

Posted by: REDACTED at August 10, 2019 04:55 PM (+8+gB)

171 If the regular guards were told to leave three hours earlier, that pretty much says it all

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 04:56 PM (lwiT4)

172
I asked earlier: Are Epstein's lawyers upset at all their client is dead?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 04:56 PM (UvpTf)

173 Hospitals do not keep people who attempted suicide on a 1:1 watch "forever". Circumstances change, and patients lie about suicidal intent (both ways- they lie to stay in hospital and they lie to get out and hurt themselves. There is no test to prove suicidal intent)

That said it sounds as if Epstein's case changed to make him more vulnerable, not less, to suicide or arkancide. Increasing info suggesting that he would not only face a long sentence, but bring down others would increase, not mitigate, risk. A sensible person would have left him on watch, IMO.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 04:56 PM (U7k5w)

174 >>>I think Epstein committed suicide. I also think he bribed his guards to look the other way and allow him the opportunity to kill himself.

i wondered about that, too.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:57 PM (PbpT7)

175 FBI?? Yeah, right, the Clinton's cleanup service is sure to get to the bottom of this.

Give it to the US Marshalls with Raylan Givens leading the investivation and an unlimited ammunition budget.

Posted by: Vlad the implaer, whittling away like mad at August 10, 2019 04:57 PM (dmoiP)

176 169 I think Epstein committed suicide. I also think he bribed his guards to look the other way and allow him the opportunity to kill himself.

Unless Hillary bribed the guards to look the other way and allow Epstein the opportunity to kill himself.
Posted by: biancaneve at August 10, 2019 04:55 PM (hkMx0)

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That would make one hell of a closing argument, counselor.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 04:57 PM (c2kQz)

177 I asked earlier: Are Epstein's lawyers upset at all their client is dead?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 04:56 PM (UvpTf)

Yes.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 04:57 PM (2DOZq)

178 I also think he bribed his guards to look the other way and allow him the opportunity to kill himself.



What would he bribe them with? What did he use to commit suicide?

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 04:57 PM (lwiT4)

179 >>If the regular guards were told to leave three hours earlier, that pretty much says it all


"You didn't hear it from me...

but there's cake in the breakroom."

Posted by: Guard Pictured Above at August 10, 2019 04:58 PM (IVoO9)

180 172
I asked earlier: Are Epstein's lawyers upset at all their client is dead?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 04:56 PM (UvpTf)

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That depends. How big was the retainer deposit?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 04:58 PM (c2kQz)

181 I asked earlier: Are Epstein's lawyers upset at all their client is dead?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 04:56 PM (UvpTf)

Not a bunch, lol

Posted by: Rose Law Firm at August 10, 2019 04:58 PM (+8+gB)

182 Did Ben call for the firing of Shirley Skipper-Scott, warden of MCC? Don't think that's going to happen.

Posted by: Ever at August 10, 2019 04:58 PM (kkVtg)

183 MSM has a shiny new hook now. I'm predicting the revelation that Epstein was the source of the Steele "dossier".

Posted by: NeoOtter at August 10, 2019 04:58 PM (0x00j)

184 cruel and unusual is what Manafort got, solitary for months, repeatedly brought back in "will you tell our lie now, or do you want another month in the box?" Is he still alive?


All they needed with Epstein was a guard or two right there watching him. Easy Peasy for such a high value WITNESS ... he had many stories to tell, could have got him country club prison I bet. He could have least waited till he better knew his fate ... and maybe he indeed did want to wait ... in any case, a guard watching could have stopped this, and/or the SuperMax move. imo

Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2019 04:59 PM (Cus5s)

185 165: If he tried suicide, the info would be protected due to HIPAA.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 04:59 PM (U7k5w)

186 Well, there goes my theory. I thought all sides agreed, Mafia style, that no feathers would be ruffled if anything unfortunate were to happen to poor Mr. Epstein.

The guards badge in and out. Their movements are tracked. Whoever took him off suicide watch had to do it on record. Everyone's movements and actions have an audit trail, so if there was an agreement to let it happen each actor had to be assured that this wasn't a career-ender.

But that was based in part on no one being really outraged. Oh he's dead, too bad.

If Barr is really going to dig into this then I may be mistaken.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 10, 2019 04:59 PM (fuK7c)

187 >>I asked earlier: Are Epstein's lawyers upset at all their client is dead?


Defense, yes.

Estate, no.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 04:59 PM (IVoO9)

188 > She better be looking over her shoulder. Where is she, now?

She may be joining her daddy among the medical mysteries.

Her father was a long-time Mossad and British MI operative. Body found floating in the Atlantic, naked. Died suddenly of...something. The three pathologists who did the autopsy could not agree on his cause of death.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 04:59 PM (tY4MP)

189 he bribed them with what? His commissary card?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (q2o38)

190
Cui Bono?

Deep State
Democrats
Fake News
Epstein's leftist lawyers

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (UvpTf)

191 Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City:

You had ONE JOB.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (sy5kK)

192 If he tried suicide, the info would be protected due to HIPAA.
Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 04:59 PM (U7k5w)

Lol

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (85Gof)

193 He was off suicide watch? OK.

Does that mean they HAD to shut off the cams they had watching him? Was there NO video of this incident? Was there ANY video running ANYWHERE near his cell? ANYWHERE in the whole jail?

I mean, sheesh, video surveillance is SO EXPENSIVE to run in the year 2019. OF COURSE they could not AFFORD to run video surveillance on the most famous prisoner in the USA.

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (mk9aG)

194 Just another leg of America kicked out from under us.

We all know they will never prosecute anyone for this obvious silencing of Epstein.

Further proof that the rule of law only exists outside of Washington and below a certain income level.

People are facing the reality that a certain group of people in this country will never be brought to justice.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (pUDQf)

195 What did Epstein have in prison that would have been used as a bribe? Access to large sums of cash?

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (U7k5w)

196 > Are Epstein's lawyers upset at all their client is dead?

Nah. You know the old joke about the difference between a lawyer and a leech? Leeches fall off after you die.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (tY4MP)

197 What did Epstein have in prison that would have been used as a bribe? Access to large sums of cash?
Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (U7k5w)

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Loosies

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:01 PM (c2kQz)

198 also interesting, Barr comes out angry, demands full investigation ... Rosenstein says "no big deal, suicides happen, hard to prevent".

Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2019 05:01 PM (Cus5s)

199 The people pretending like they are the more logical ones for believing this was suicide are arrogant.

Ghee there are a shit ton- and shit ton really fits in this case- of people with a lack of ethics and morality. They have the means. They have lots of money and motive to bump this guy off.

Some Twitterists should resist smearing everyone as conspiracists before Epsteins cell even dries.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:01 PM (4/UWb)

200 Anybody told Hitler about Epsteen yet?

Posted by: klaftern at August 10, 2019 05:01 PM (RuIsu)

201 Suicide watch - hospital gown with snaps not ties, paper slippers, padded room, eating mush with a paper spoon, somebody watching you even when you have to pee. I don't know how you'd sneak killing yourself in there.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 05:01 PM (lwiT4)

202 There is an article on Fox News site reporting on Epstein's attorney's statements .

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:02 PM (2DOZq)

203 174
>>>I think Epstein committed suicide. I also think he bribed
his guards to look the other way and allow him the opportunity to kill
himself.



i wondered about that, too.

Posted by: ace


I respectfully disagree. A person with that much wealth, more than likely a boatload of bargaining chips, ego, resources, plays the game. Hope against hope they will come out the other end if not ok, at least not dead. Stinks to high hell as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 05:02 PM (LOq4H)

204 Anybody told Hillary about Epstein yet?

Posted by: klaftern at August 10, 2019 05:02 PM (RuIsu)

205 ---
At some point a structure simply has to be condemned and razed.
Posted by: Methos at August 10, 2019 04:49 PM (kOpft)


Why do you think we added the Second Amendment?

Posted by: Founding Fathers at August 10, 2019 05:02 PM (sy5kK)

206 Maybe he was into masturbatory aphixiation and miscalculated

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:02 PM (85Gof)

207 I have been to Countries where parents literally sell their children into sex slavery. In Thailand, Philippines and Korea that is very common behavior. It is not unexpected to find it happening in the US.

Its also very common down on our southern border. Why do you think so many children are accompanied by those who are not related to them?

Posted by: Racist
Russian Agent
Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at August 10, 2019 05:02 PM (lD3vL)

208 Anybody told Hitler about Epsteen yet?


Now THAT was a guy who knew how to lock a Jew up.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 05:02 PM (oVJmc)

209 I think Epstein committed suicide. I also think he bribed his guards to look the other way and allow him the opportunity to kill himself.

i wondered about that, too.
Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:57 PM (PbpT7)


I think that there's a code of conduct these pedo/satanist types follow, like fight club. The first rule of pedo club is if you get caught, you take one for the team.

Just like your brah's take care of your hard drive for you (so I've heard) Epstein knew he had a clean-up crew take care of any loose ends.

And, if he didn't go through with it, he also knew there were plenty out there to make sure he did.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 10, 2019 05:02 PM (3b35n)

210 > Does that mean they HAD to shut off the cams they had watching him?

Even the equivalent of Andy Griffith's Mayberry single-cell lockup has full-time video surveillance of prisoners nowadays.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:03 PM (tY4MP)

211 My Prediction: Next we'll hear that Epstein's corpse mysteriously caught fire and burned to ashes, preventing an autopsy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:03 PM (c2kQz)

212 Maybe the red flags laws can work like suicide watch regs

Guns taken away and then returned 3 weeks later

Posted by: REDACTED at August 10, 2019 05:03 PM (+8+gB)

213 One of Epstein's legal counsel made a statement today.

Says all the following have "blood on their hands":

"Overzealous prosecutors"
"Pandering politicians"
"Compliant judges".
"Jailers who appear to have recklessly put Mr. Epstein in harm's way"
"An hysterical press corps"
"Greedy plaintiff's lawyers"
"Breathless reporters"


https://nws.mx/2MV3vbg

( Newsmax link )

Posted by: Hands at August 10, 2019 05:03 PM (786Ro)

214 Not expecting anything, mostly because no one seems to be charged for anything anymore.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2019 05:04 PM (BbGew)

215 I read somewhere that the usual shift of guards was replaced early. Probably BS as that would have been pretty obviously a sign of criminal intent.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:04 PM (U7k5w)

216 Not expecting anything, mostly because no one seems to be charged for anything anymore.
Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2019 05:04 PM (BbGew)

Fuck you

Posted by: Manafort at August 10, 2019 05:04 PM (85Gof)

217 "I also think he bribed his guards to look the other way and allow him the opportunity to kill himself. "

Did the guards DISABLE video surveillance in the vicinity of his cell? Did the bribe include that?

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:05 PM (mk9aG)

218 76 ... SDNY has put out a statement asking victims to continue to come forward and stating that the conspiracy indictment is still going forward.

I'd say she's still on the hook.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 04:35 PM (ZLI7S)

I am glad to hear that.

Posted by: Flyover, old lady farmer at August 10, 2019 05:05 PM (B5K06)

219 Does that mean they HAD to shut off the cams they had watching him?

Even the equivalent of Andy Griffith's Mayberry single-cell lockup has full-time video surveillance of prisoners nowadays.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:03 PM (tY4MP)
--------

Suicide? We NIP IT. NIP IT IN THE BUD!

*googly eyes*

Posted by: Deputy Fife at August 10, 2019 05:05 PM (c2kQz)

220 Just for the record I believe he committed suicide but I believe he was intentionally allowed to.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:05 PM (2DOZq)

221 The Feds DeepState always get their man.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:05 PM (Hg4NE)

222 197 What did Epstein have in prison that would have been used as a bribe? Access to large sums of cash?
Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (U7k5w)

Well, he did have that suicide watch.

Posted by: REDACTED at August 10, 2019 05:05 PM (+8+gB)

223 "9
There's a fly in the suicide ointment...why do it AFTER the docs had
been released? Before, sure. Salvage what you can of your reputation.
But the cat was out of the bag. What does suicide accomplish at this
point?


Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 04:16 PM (RK98Q)"
..Those implicated didn't think Trump or his DOJ would actually allow a release to happen. They were wrong, which means then they needed to do something about this before there could be any corroboration from Epstein himself.

That does, of course, point to it not being suicide.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at August 10, 2019 05:05 PM (67XdO)

224 I give you Abe The Bird Rellas

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:06 PM (85Gof)

225 214
Not expecting anything, mostly because no one seems to be charged for anything anymore.

Posted by: Skip


Well, nobody with a "D" after their name.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 05:06 PM (LOq4H)

226 > Well, he did have that suicide watch.

He wore the suicide watch in his ass for several years, hoping to pass it down to his buddy's son after he got back from Nam.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:06 PM (tY4MP)

227 "Anybody told Hitler about Epsteen yet?"

Epstein would probably have LIVED LONGER in the custody of the Third Reich, than he did in a NYC jail in USA 2019!!!!

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:06 PM (mk9aG)

228 Gentlemen, you asked for a miracle. I give you the F..B..I

Posted by: Hans Clinton at August 10, 2019 05:07 PM (qAR6u)

229 Hut hut hut hut hut hut hut

Posted by: Spetnaz pee whorwS fast marching through epsteins prison at August 10, 2019 05:07 PM (9dzlp)

230 223: I think he was an assisted suicide.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:07 PM (U7k5w)

231 What did Epstein have in prison that would have been used as a bribe? Access to large sums of cash?

A billionaire who doesn't have people who owe him, or doesn't have lawyers or other fixers on the payroll?

Seriously?

Posted by: Racist
Russian Agent
Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at August 10, 2019 05:07 PM (lD3vL)

232 Epstein essentially skated the first time. With his connections he could well have figured he'd do it again. I just don't see someone with his power giving up at this point.

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 05:07 PM (RK98Q)

233 Okay I'm calling it. Murder.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 05:07 PM (lwiT4)

234 it'll probably turn out epstein abused 100 girls...

and 1,000 of them will be suing his estate.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 10, 2019 05:08 PM (Pg+x7)

235 Yeah why did Sassy Ben's balls drop all of a sudden? He believes Trump was one of the girl rapers. Silly Sassy!

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:08 PM (zcT9k)

236 "It was the most severe case of suicide I've seen in 20 years of practice."

Posted by: Prison Doc at August 10, 2019 05:08 PM (c2kQz)

237 The next Law & Order episode will surely reveal that white Republican Christians offed Epstein in his cell

Posted by: kbdabear at August 10, 2019 05:09 PM (qAR6u)

238
I'll bet dollars to donuts we'll find a compound cascade of glitches and malfunctions in all the systems, including the guard's behavior.

The probability of any one might be some small number, but all together, in sequence, that probability would be about 0. Maybe, 10^-50 or something. Not likely to happen in a thousand ages of the Universe.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 05:09 PM (NMAzL)

239 I read somewhere that the usual shift of guards was replaced early. Probably BS as that would have been pretty obviously a sign of criminal intent.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:04 PM (U7k5w)

The guards were pulled off three hours early.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 05:09 PM (aRAMD)

240 231: A dead client probably doesn't pay a lot of fees.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (U7k5w)

241 >>Okay I'm calling it. Murder.


Call it what it is : Arkanicide

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (IVoO9)

242 152 Russian- made suicide watch

case closed

Trump's fault
Posted by: REDACTED at August 10, 2019 04:52 PM (+8+gB)


That's today's theme, now get cracking, ABCBSNBCNN!

Posted by: JournoList Management at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (sy5kK)

243 Yeah why did Sassy Ben's balls drop all of a sudden? He believes Trump was one of the girl rapers. Silly Sassy!


Yeah, that's what I thought.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (oVJmc)

244 > The guards were pulled off three hours early.

I think he was Bulgered/Oswalded.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (tY4MP)

245 The main Jane Doe in the recently released records testified that Alan Dershowitz was one of the people she was forced to have sex with on multiple occasions.

That's hard to believe.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (2DOZq)

246 Remember, one of Epstein's victims just recently directly named Bill Richardson as part of Epstein's cadre of pedophiles. Richardson was tight with the Clintons and part of Bill's cabinet.

Not hard to believe the Clintons were getting worried.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2019 05:11 PM (pUDQf)

247 " The guards were pulled off three hours early. "

What time were the cams turned off?

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:11 PM (mk9aG)

248 The guards were pulled off three hours early.

I think he was Bulgered/Oswalded.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (tY4MP)


That's in the script of a bad mafia movie.

Posted by: DR.WTF at August 10, 2019 05:11 PM (aS1PU)

249 239: So it is truly very suspicious and probably "assisted". Drug him so he can't fight, and hang him.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:11 PM (U7k5w)

250 Sic the IG on the case. That's tellin' em, Barr. Deep State is quaking in their shoes.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 10, 2019 05:11 PM (H8QX8)

251 Russian- made suicide watch

case closed


You mean I wasted all that time inventing this thing?

Posted by: Clock Boy at August 10, 2019 05:11 PM (3b35n)

252 >>The guards were pulled off three hours early.


By an underaged cheerleading sqaud...


Just kidding.

But, THAT they would have got on video.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 05:11 PM (IVoO9)

253

Hillary Clinton in Murder, She Wrote Ordered

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 10, 2019 05:11 PM (GtbRh)

254 245 The main Jane Doe in the recently released records testified that Alan Dershowitz was one of the people she was forced to have sex with on multiple occasions.

That's hard to believe.

--------

Yeah, I'm no fan of Dershowitz, but I don't buy that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (c2kQz)

255 > and 1,000 of them will be suing his estate.

Likely. Just because someone is a scumbag doesn't mean there aren't other scumbags that will try to take advantage of the situation.

I'm thinking of the woman who wanted to marry Charles Manson. Charlie called off the wedding when he found out she was only doing it so she'd get custody of his corpse after he died.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (tY4MP)

256 247: Before they were able to document the faces of the replacement guards

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (U7k5w)

257 Epstein would probably have LIVED LONGER in the custody of the Third Reich, than he did in a NYC jail in USA 2019!!!!

Where is our FBI Numerologist to explain the significance of this on 8/10 ?

Posted by: Racist
Russian Agent
Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (lD3vL)

258 155 What parents let their kids go off with strangers? Were the girls under contract? Minors signing legal contracts?

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 04:42 PM (QMwOT)



Some girls are sold into sex slavery. By their parents.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 04:52 PM (lwiT4)


Also sounds like some of these girls were closer to homeless then anything. Like they may have had parents, but Epstein seemed to target girls with fucked up home lines.

That woman Virginia though had a father who is either the stupidest man on the planet ("oh, I thought she was just hired to be an assistant...") or some kind of real uncaring scumbag asshole.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (GBteo)

259 134 So he kidnapped these underage girls and kept them in chains? Why did their parents not contact the police? Interpol? FBI?

What parents let their kids go off with strangers? Were the girls under contract? Minors signing legal contracts?
Posted by: The Man from Athens

----

Don't make a common mistake thinking that all parents are like you - decent, caring and loving individuals. I've seen places when you can legally 'buy' people - guys, gals, kids, adults, anyone. Sometimes, it's family that sells them. Much of the world is not at all like life here in the states. Life is cheap and to sell (or buy) a kid is no big deal.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (Y4EXg)

True, but these places are in not in Europe and it is a felony to engage in such acts in the USA and no such charges have ever been filed against him or the parents of said girls that I know of. Also, according to some of the articles it says that many of the girls were college aged which make some over 18.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (QMwOT)

260 I think he was Bulgered/Oswalded. 

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (tY4MP)

Yeah, and nobody will find anything and the worst anyone will suffer is a reprimand.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (aRAMD)

261 Trump wanted him to go to trial. A trial would have helped him drain the swamp bigly.

This may have been a message to Trump's monied friends - we can get you too.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (Hg4NE)

262 Sure it could be suicide but it would be a gross error not to investigate this and ignore the preponderance of people motivated to quite Epstein.

Also it would be negligent not to investigate this.

The Second Court of Appeals makes a 2000 page document drop available to the public and Epstein is dead within 24 hours.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (4/UWb)

263 252 >>The guards were pulled off three hours early.

--------

Has anyone questioned Capt. McCluskey about this?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (c2kQz)

264
" The guards were pulled off three hours early. "


What time were the cams turned off?

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:11 PM (mk9aG)



Slick Willie: Just in time....I mean I have no idea

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 10, 2019 05:13 PM (GtbRh)

265 254 245 The main Jane Doe in the recently released records testified that Alan Dershowitz was one of the people she was forced to have sex with on multiple occasions.

That's hard to believe.

--------

Yeah, I'm no fan of Dershowitz, but I don't buy that.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (c2kQz)

Why not? What incentive do the girls have to lie about who they slept with?

None of us know Dershowitz personally. Who knows what he's capable of?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:13 PM (GBteo)

266 Anyone see LT Jack Wheelis near Epsteins cell

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:13 PM (85Gof)

267 The main Jane Doe in the recently released records testified that Alan Dershowitz was one of the people she was forced to have sex with on multiple occasions.

That's hard to believe.
--------
Yeah, I'm no fan of Dershowitz, but I don't buy that.


You don't believe that the only way that Dershowitz can get laid is through force?

Posted by: Racist
Russian Agent
Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at August 10, 2019 05:14 PM (lD3vL)

268 > What parents let their kids go off with strangers?

What parents let their small boys go have "sleepovers" with Michael Jackson?

There are some really, really scummy parents out there, my friend. I know it's hard for a normal person to imagine this, but it's true nonetheless.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:14 PM (tY4MP)

269 Even William of Ockham would be shouting "What The F*ck!?!?"

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:14 PM (mk9aG)

270 >>Epstein essentially skated the first time. With his connections he could well have figured he'd do it again. I just don't see someone with his power giving up at this point.

The first time the DOJ declined to prosecute. It's pretty clear this time they had every intention to prosecute him given that they had already indicted him and were likely going to add even more charges. He was never going to see the world outside of a federal prison till they took him out in a box.

I have no idea how he died but I won't be surprised if he killed himself.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 05:14 PM (ZLI7S)

271 The main Jane Doe in the recently released records testified that Alan Dershowitz was one of the people she was forced to have sex with on multiple occasions. 

That's hard to believe.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (2DOZq)

Why?

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 05:14 PM (aRAMD)

272 169 I think Epstein committed suicide. I also think he bribed his guards to look the other way and allow him the opportunity to kill himself.

Unless Hillary bribed the guards to look the other way and allow Epstein the opportunity to kill himself.
Posted by: biancaneve at August 10, 2019 04:55 PM (hkMx0)


Not suicide. Epstein is too soft, too much of a pussy to off himself. Or was.

"Ft. Marcy Park singers" is hilarious.

"I Heard it Through the Grapevine."



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 05:14 PM (sy5kK)

273 The first time the DOJ declined to prosecute. It's pretty clear this time they had every intention to prosecute him given that they had already indicted him and were likely going to add even more charges. He was never going to see the world outside of a federal prison till they took him out in a box.

I have no idea how he died but I won't be surprised if he killed himself.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 05:14 PM (ZLI7S)

Agreed.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:15 PM (GBteo)

274 > What incentive do the girls have to lie about who they slept with?


Money, of course.

Dershowitz is probably loaded.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:15 PM (tY4MP)

275 Money, of course.

Dershowitz is probably loaded.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:15 PM (tY4MP)

Epstein is loadeder.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:15 PM (GBteo)

276 >>>Also sounds like some of these girls were closer to homeless then anything. Like they may have had parents, but Epstein seemed to target girls with fucked up home lines.

That woman Virginia though had a father who is either the stupidest man on the planet ("oh, I thought she was just hired to be an assistant...") or some kind of real uncaring scumbag asshole.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (GBteo)



I don't think most of the girls regretted it till they didn't have it anymore.

Posted by: Get some at August 10, 2019 05:15 PM (Hg4NE)

277 None of us know Dershowitz personally. Who knows what he's capable of?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:13 PM (GBteo)

I don't know Trump personally but I don't believe he hired piss prostitutes. But who knows right according to your logic.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:16 PM (2DOZq)

278
I mean, sheesh, video surveillance is SO EXPENSIVE to run in the year 2019. OF COURSE they could not AFFORD to run video surveillance on the most famous prisoner in the USA.
Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:00 PM (mk9aG)


We could have helped, and we are affordable, too.

Posted by: SimplySafe at August 10, 2019 05:16 PM (sy5kK)

279
Dershowitz is vehemently denying it -- he's been on FOX several times screaming about what liars they are. He says it's the lawyers trying to bring him down. You know how he's been defending Trump.

The other night he pointed out that his name never came up in the original allegations by the girls. He was added much later.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 05:16 PM (NMAzL)

280 Hey how is prince ANDREWS these days

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:16 PM (85Gof)

281
"Ft. Marcy Park singers" is hilarious.



"I Heard it Through the Grapevine."









Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

"With the Seth Rich dancers!"

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 05:17 PM (LOq4H)

282 How did the little girls know the ID of the politicos who raped them? Did Prince Andrew wear his royal crest? Did Bill Richardson wear a name card? Did Epstein introduce the victims to their perp: 'Here's Senator George Mitchell of Maine, we jvst need to wait for the Viagra to take effect before he lays the wood to you'

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:17 PM (zcT9k)

283 His trial was a year out, what's the hurry?

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2019 05:17 PM (BbGew)

284 I don't think most of the girls regretted it till they didn't have it anymore.

Posted by: Get some at August 10, 2019 05:15 PM (Hg4NE)



Is this a serious comment?

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 05:17 PM (lwiT4)

285 Israel's intelligence agencies not really an issue for you ,"Ace"?

You seem to have a bit of a blindspot.

Posted by: saladin at August 10, 2019 05:17 PM (6cQ+j)

286

Call for Quincy, M.E.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2019 05:18 PM (aKsyK)

287
Yeah, what incentive did all those little kids in the McMartin case have to make up all those ridiculous stories about being molested in underground dungeons entered by being flushed down toilets and all that?

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 05:18 PM (NMAzL)

288 Someone is blaming this on ISRAEL? Lovely

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:18 PM (85Gof)

289 "What incentive do the girls have to lie about who they slept with?" Maybe because they don't want to be suicided.

You guys wonder what Epstein could bribe people with? How about an offer not to kill their families? Would that be a big enough bribe?

I never believed the Arkancide stuff before, and I don't know WHO did this, but it stinks to high heaven.

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:18 PM (mk9aG)

290 I don't know Trump personally but I don't believe he hired piss prostitutes. But who knows right according to your logic.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:16 PM (2DOZq)

I don't either, just because it seems to out of character of him (as a famous germophobe.)

But some dude getting a beejer from a chick in the back of a limo? Ehhh...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:19 PM (GBteo)

291 ... while epstein was alive he could defend himself and discredit false charges. the recent allegations against richardson and others sound spurious - yes, women can lie. who defends his estate?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 10, 2019 05:19 PM (Pg+x7)

292 Some Twitterists should resist smearing everyone as conspiracists before Epsteins cell even dries.
Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:01 PM (4/UWb)


About 49 times now, and counting.

You just refuse to get the message, don't you?

Posted by: Arkancide at August 10, 2019 05:19 PM (sy5kK)

293 Is this a serious comment?
Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 05:17 PM (lwiT4)

I, for one, am choosing to ignore it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (GBteo)

294 245 The main Jane Doe in the recently released records testified that Alan Dershowitz was one of the people she was forced to have sex with on multiple occasions.

That's hard to believe.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:10 PM (2DOZq)

Dershowitz is not the kind of person to take advantage of underage girls so I call bullshit on this allegation. That makes the rest of them dodgy too.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (QMwOT)

295 Dersh has been pretty candid about what he was accused of and how he is/was cleared of those accusations. He was definitely not hiding behind the lawyerspeak when he did it...but I was not paying enough attention to quote it.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (IVoO9)

296 Jack Straw...
Then why come back to the States? Epstein walked right into it.

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (RK98Q)

297 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:19 PM (GBteo)

Alan Dershowitz has been in the public eye longer than Trump.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (2DOZq)

298 You have good judgment, Harry P.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (lwiT4)

299 291 ... while epstein was alive he could defend himself and discredit false charges. the recent allegations against richardson and others sound spurious - yes, women can lie. who defends his estate?
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 10, 2019 05:19 PM (Pg+x7)

His lawyers.

Epstein was never going to take the stand. Dude's not that stupid.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (GBteo)

300 interesting but bear in mind his first suicide attempt was three weeks ago-- you can't hold someone in that kind of serious restraint forever. You'd run into 8th Amendment problems, cruel and unusual punishment.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:34 PM (PbpT7)

***************

They commit people and drug them up in rehab centers for weeks for simply threatening suicide and who have not committed crimes or are even suspected of crimes.

Then see what they do to people with Alzheimers.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:21 PM (4/UWb)

301 > yes, women can lie. who defends his estate?

It would be interesting to learn the disposition of said estate. As far as I know, he never married and had no acknowledged children.

The estate, to the extent it's actually there (another open question) would seem to be just a giant shitpile of money, with no one having a vested interest to defend it.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:21 PM (tY4MP)

302 >>Someone is blaming this on ISRAEL? Lovely


The weather at Pedo Island is predictably nice.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 05:21 PM (IVoO9)

303 Yeah, I'm no fan of Dershowitz, but I don't buy that.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (c2kQz)

Why not? What incentive do the girls have to lie about who they slept with?

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I dont often pull the litigator card, but in 32 years I've heard a crapload of testimony and I think I have a pretty well-calibrated bullshit detector. I've heard Dershowitz address the accusations and I deem him to be credible.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:21 PM (c2kQz)

304 How would these little girls even know who tf Alan Dershowitz is? He looks like somebody's optometrist, must be a case of mistahen identity.

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (zcT9k)

305 ... i believe dershowitz 100%. mitchell? just sounds ridiculous.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (Pg+x7)

306 WHAT A TRAGEDY! WHAT A SHOCKING TURN OF EVENTS! WHAT A CONVENIENCE!

(ROBOTIC CACKLE)

Posted by: Hillary! and her rainbow exoskeleton at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (kZT36)

307 Epstein was never going to take the stand. Dude's not that stupid.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (GBteo)

He flew back into Teterboro airport from overseas, so maybe not?

Mostly kidding. Mostly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (85Gof)

308
Is this a serious comment?

Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 05:17 PM (lwiT4)


Yes. Most of the girls came from terrible places with terrible places. And were moved to a world of best clothes, best food, best beaches, and servants.

I think most of them were having a good time.
-Yeah, I had to sleep with that creeky old man, but the lobster, yum.

They were glad to get out of the hell holes they were in.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (Hg4NE)

309 >>Jack Straw...
Then why come back to the States? Epstein walked right into it.

No idea. Was there any indication the DOJ was about to charge him or did they surprise him with it? I thought I remembered they arresting him at the airport as soon as he landed.

Unless he planned on hiding in a non-extradition country he was coming back one way or another.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 05:23 PM (ZLI7S)

310 Dershowitz is not the kind of person to take advantage of underage girls so I call bullshit on this allegation. That makes the rest of them dodgy too.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (QMwOT)

Okay, but lets flip this on it's head.

You're Dershowitz, hanging out with your buddy Jeff Epstein. Jeff says, "hey Alan, this girl that works for me is interest in you... I think you could probably hook up with her if you tried."

I mean ... I can see it happening.

And I imagine that's how MOST of this went down -- I doubt most of the guys involved realized that these girls were basically sex trafficked prostitutes that Epstein was pimping out to people all around the world.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:23 PM (GBteo)

311 parents.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:23 PM (Hg4NE)

312 Next we'll hear that his body was cremated in error.
'' Oopsies..the toe tag said "Unknown male"'

Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2019 05:23 PM (jm1YL)

313 you imagine the absolutely bizarre conspiracy Theories that would be on 8Chan if up & running

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 05:23 PM (BqBId)

314 I'm not buying this sex circle yet.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2019 05:24 PM (BbGew)

315 also Ben Sasse sent the media the letter he sent to AG Bill Barr

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 05:24 PM (BqBId)

316 No idea. Was there any indication the DOJ was about to charge him or did they surprise him with it? I thought I remembered they arresting him at the airport as soon as he landed.

Unless he planned on hiding in a non-extradition country he was coming back one way or another.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 05:23 PM (ZLI7S)

I think it was a surprise.

Also, unless you're Roman Polanski, there are not many countries that wouldn't extradite you to the US for being an accused sex trafficker of minors. Not a lot of sympathy for that behavior in any of the developed world.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:24 PM (GBteo)

317 ''you imagine the absolutely bizarre conspiracy Theories that would be on 8Chan if up & running''

I heard that it was back up.

Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2019 05:24 PM (jm1YL)

318 How did the little girls know the ID of the politicos who raped them?

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:17 PM (zcT9k)

I imagine they were told to make sure Whatshisname has a good time, overheard it, were told by other girls, and later saw their picture.

If they spent a weekend with Slick Willie do you think he was wearing a mask the entire time and the party guests used code names?

These guys have been the lords of the earth for decades...they are arrogant and simply don't care. If they thought they might get caught they wouldn't have been there.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 05:24 PM (aRAMD)

319 believe dershowitz 100%. mitchell? just sounds ridiculous.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (Pg+x7)

I have it on good authority that big popi had Mitchells name put on that list

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:24 PM (85Gof)

320 136 Guess he didn't want Bubba doing to him what he did to little girls.
Posted by: ALH at August 10, 2019 04:48 PM (GaOgf)


I read a couple of weeks ago, it wasn't a suicide attempt, but he was attacked by other inmates. He was fisted (not meaning punched) and found in a fetal position near death. I'll try to find something about it.

Posted by: WeBoned! at August 10, 2019 05:24 PM (1s2j5)

321 They were glad to get out of the hell holes they were in.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (Hg4NE)



I'm just going to say that as I type this my daughter is headed to a pediatric aids clinic to work with little girls who were sex trafficked. I'm gonna say that and then I am gonna walk away.

Insom will know.


Posted by: grammie winger at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (lwiT4)

322 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:23 PM (GBteo)

Cognitive Dissonance on your part. Those allegations are as ridiculous as the Trump allegations.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (2DOZq)

323 > Not a lot of sympathy for that behavior in any of the developed world.

There are a lot of places that aren't the developed world, though.

I believe the age of consent in Mexico is still 12.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (tY4MP)

324 232 Epstein essentially skated the first time. With his connections he could well have figured he'd do it again. I just don't see someone with his power giving up at this point.
Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 05:07 PM (RK98Q)


This.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (sy5kK)

325 I've always been in favor of retirees getting jobs to keep them busy in their golden years. These guards, former members of the Arkansas State Police Governor's Detail,brought years of experience to the job.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (C1Lsn)

326 If "IF" Epstein killed himself that would be the 1st suicide in MCC's History

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (BqBId)

327 Yes. Most of the girls came from terrible places with terrible places. And were moved to a world of best clothes, best food, best beaches, and servants.

I think most of them were having a good time.
-Yeah, I had to sleep with that creeky old man, but the lobster, yum.

They were glad to get out of the hell holes they were in.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (Hg4NE)


Dude, we're talking about children.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (GBteo)

328 ...And of his first *suicide attempt* he told the guards and others that he thought someone was trying to kill him.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (Hg4NE)

329 also Ben Sasse sent the media the letter he sent to AG Bill Barr
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 05:24 PM (BqBId)

Fuck that asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (85Gof)

330 There are a lot of places that aren't the developed world, though.

I believe the age of consent in Mexico is still 12.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (tY4MP)

I think that's true in Mexico City, yeah.

And until this (last?) year France didn't have an age of consent at all.

That said, Epstein is accused of a lot more than just statutory rape.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:26 PM (GBteo)

331 I'm too busy to hang around (sad!), but it could have just as easily been a guard who had a daughter or favorite niece whose life was ruined after being assaulted by a perv. Before you look for complicated answers, look for easy ones that work.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 10, 2019 05:26 PM (ZqRa6)

332 Dude, we're talking about children.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (GBteo)


Fourteen year old sexually active girls are not children.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (Hg4NE)

333 I NEVER KNEW THIS MAN! I KNOW NOTHING! I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF HIS TRAGIC AUTO-EROTIC ASPHYXIATION! NOPE! NOT ME!

Posted by: Bill Clinton, howling from the Outer Darkness at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (kZT36)

334 287
Yeah, what incentive did all those little kids in the McMartin case have to make up all those ridiculous stories about being molested in underground dungeons entered by being flushed down toilets and all that?
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 05:18 PM (NMAzL)


The prosecutors, being prosecutors, wanted convictions, so they hired child psychologists who asked the children a bunch of leading questions. Once the kids figured out what kind of answers they were looking for, that's when the brakes came off and the train hurtled on into Crazytown.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (3Ame7)

335 If "IF" Epstein killed himself that would be the 1st suicide in MCC's History
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (BqBId)

Is that true?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (85Gof)

336 Why would the girls be given the full names of the men? Wouldn't Tom, Dick and Harry have sufficed?

Absolutely nothing adds up here.

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (RK98Q)

337 "you imagine the absolutely bizarre conspiracy Theories that would be on 8Chan if up & running"

8chan: "We're f'n crazy!"

Real World USA August 2019: "Hold my beer."

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (mk9aG)

338 I dont often pull the litigator card, but in 32 years I've heard a crapload of testimony and I think I have a pretty well-calibrated bullshit detector. I've heard Dershowitz address the accusations and I deem him to be credible.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:21 PM (c2kQz)

I'll defer to you on that. I haven't listened to a lot of his statements on the matter.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (GBteo)

339 265 254 245 The main Jane Doe in the recently released records testified that Alan Dershowitz was one of the people she was forced to have sex with on multiple occasions.

That's hard to believe.

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Yeah, I'm no fan of Dershowitz, but I don't buy that.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:12 PM (c2kQz)

Why not? What incentive do the girls have to lie about who they slept with?

None of us know Dershowitz personally. Who knows what he's capable of?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:13 PM (GBteo)

1. More attention = possibility of more money and 18 rather than 15 min. of fame.
2. Maybe they were not forced and over the age of consent at the time and feel guilty for being a slut.
3. Dershowitz declined and that pissed them off.
4. They are liars.
5. By that logic PDT killed all the dead illegals crossing the border because who knows what he is capable of.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (QMwOT)

340 I respectfully disagree. A person with that much wealth, more than likely a boatload of bargaining chips, ego, resources, plays the game. Hope against hope they will come out the other end if not ok, at least not dead. Stinks to high hell as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 05:02 PM (LOq4H)

************

This.

Plus how hard would it be to keep this pucker on happy sauce till conviction/ hearing time?

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (4/UWb)

341 Now Prince Andrew is a likely miscreant. The Brit Royals are known perverts. One Christmas QE II hiked up her skirt and slammed her fat ass right onto the Yorkshire pudding and started to grind. Epstein and Prince Andrew used to laff their asses off at the vids MI 6 shared with them. True story.

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (zcT9k)

342
I think most of them were having a good time.

-Yeah, I had to sleep with that creeky old man, but the lobster, yum.



They were glad to get out of the hell holes they were in.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (Hg4NE)


Human trafficking is slavery.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (q2o38)

343 Not sure if anyone has said this but... Arkancide.

He did NOT commit suicide.

Posted by: shibumi, future Ohio dental floss tycoon at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (AkkRZ)

344 336 Why would the girls be given the full names of the men? Wouldn't Tom, Dick and Harry have sufficed?

Absolutely nothing adds up here.
Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (RK98Q)

I think Epstein liked to brag. He told one girl (in a threatening way) that he was friends with Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (GBteo)

345 Honestly, I saw more about GoT's final episode for weeks than I did the Notre Dame fire 48 hours afterwards.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 10, 2019 04:53 PM (3b35n)



And THAT tells you all you need to know about the Bread and Circuses in latter day Rome.

Posted by: Flyover, old lady farmer at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (B5K06)

346 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (85Gof)
******
YEP

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (BqBId)

347 > Dude, we're talking about children.

There's a case going on here right now where "just children" made a deal over the internet to rape and murder one of their friends at the behest of a perv in another state. Compared to that, prostitution is minor.

These are not the children of our grandparents era. I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (tY4MP)

348 Also, unless you're Roman Polanski, there are not
many countries that wouldn't extradite you to the US for being an
accused sex trafficker of minors. Not a lot of sympathy for that
behavior in any of the developed world.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes


Hmmm, I seem to remember during the Clinton kerfuffle, that we were being a bunch of backwoods colonialist and that most countries would not only allow but encourage their elected leaders to bang the help.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 05:29 PM (LOq4H)

349 Fourteen year old sexually active girls are not children.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (Hg4NE)

...come on...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:29 PM (GBteo)

350 YEP
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (BqBId)

Gotta remember that if I am ever on Jeopardy
Lol

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:30 PM (85Gof)

351 >>One Christmas QE II hiked up her skirt and slammed her fat ass right onto the Yorkshire pudding and started to grind

Oh so now we are going to call people who pudding dip perverts?

Fine.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 05:30 PM (ZLI7S)

352 Huh?

Taken off suicide watch right before he committed suicide.

Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

It's a queer old world, ain't it?

Ironic, one might say.



"Deadly Irony" seems like a pretty good murder mystery title.

I'll get right on that.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 10, 2019 05:30 PM (mIQCW)

353 NYC jail:

"We run our cams ONLY when a prisoner is on suicide watch. Otherwise, we turn them off to save electricity. Green New Deal!"

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:31 PM (mk9aG)

354 Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) demanded answers Saturday after Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in a Manhattan jail cell from suicide.

"We need answers. Lots of them."
********
Even Toothy McBigTits is pissed off

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 05:31 PM (BqBId)

355 Oh occasional cortex is demanding, demanding I say, an investigation. Lol

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:32 PM (85Gof)

356 There's a case going on here right now where "just children" made a deal over the internet to rape and murder one of their friends at the behest of a perv in another state. Compared to that, prostitution is minor.

These are not the children of our grandparents era. I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (tY4MP)

I'm in my early 30's. I have cousins that are in their early / mid teens.

They're children.

Like in other contexts, fine, I might agree a bit with you. But we're talking about a creepy billionaire and his "girlfriend" or whatever she is to him finding vulnerable girls to sexually exploit and pimp out to his rich and famous friends.

Let's not pretend we're dealing with consenting adults who went in to this arrangement knowing what the deal is.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:32 PM (GBteo)

357 I dont often pull the litigator card, but in 32 years I've heard a crapload of testimony and I think I have a pretty well-calibrated bullshit detector. I've heard Dershowitz address the accusations and I deem him to be credible.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:21 PM (c2kQz)

**********

Would not a litigator be practiced in the art of deception?

I do not often pull my bartender card but my creep detector is well calibrated and Dershowitz has always given me the creeps.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:32 PM (4/UWb)

358 Deep State beat me by this much.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:33 PM (85Gof)

359 There are three possibilities.


1) Epstein committed suicide, because the people running the prison are incompetent.

2) Epstein committed suicide, because the people running the prison let him/helped him.

3) Epstein did not committed suicide, and someone in the prison let him be murdered.

And if someone working there gets Arkanicided in the next couple of days we'll know the answer is not #1.

Posted by: 18-1


Actually, there are two more possibilities:

4) Epstein is not dead, his death was faked, and his compatriots have some how smuggled him out of prison and he is free as a bird. I think this is as likely as the first three.

5) The DoJ faked his death to smuggle him out of prison, and now he is in a DoJ Safe House somewhere, where he will re-appear when the trial is going on. I rate this one highly unlikely, but a possibility

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at August 10, 2019 05:33 PM (S6Pax)

360 Yes fourteen year old girls are still children, whether sexually active or not. * Somebody* needs to brush up on their state's statutory rape laws.

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:33 PM (zcT9k)

361 Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (tY4MP)

Well, the NY Post had some report about an older teen who said Epstein raped her and he bragged about being her first sexual experience-only it was cruder language than that- and she was in tears. Are we supposed to assume that all these girls were sexually experienced and eager to be playthings for Epstein and his pals?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 05:33 PM (+0VWg)

362 I think most of them were having a good time.

-Yeah, I had to sleep with that creeky old man, but the lobster, yum.

They were glad to get out of the hell holes they were in.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:22 PM (Hg4NE)
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Human trafficking is slavery.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2019 05:28 PM (q2o3
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I'm not arguing that. These girls willfully went into circumstances that none of those kids that grammy is concerned over ever did or will experience.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:33 PM (Hg4NE)

363
you imagine the absolutely bizarre conspiracy Theories that would be on 8Chan if up & running
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit

======

Hello, you fucker. 48-hour rule and all that, but maybe Rudy didn't know whether Epstein was on suicide watch. You are a FUCKER on steroids.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 10, 2019 05:34 PM (13CQC)

364 I'll take a little from column A and a little from column B. Epstein was certainly inconvenient for a lot of people. If he really was suicidal all they had to do to get rid of him is ignore anything he said that might lead one to believe he should be on suicide watch. "Aw, damn. Look what he went and did to himself. How could we have known?"

Of course someone will get a letter in his permanent file... along with a wink. "Don't worry, after you retire we'll need a highly paid consultant to consult with us about Very Important Issues."

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 10, 2019 05:34 PM (h2Bdk)

365 > Fourteen year old sexually active girls are not children.

They are both sexually mature and children. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

If, say, Farrah Fawcett had offered to have sex with 14 year old me, I would have jumped right on that shit.

She would've been guilty of statutory rape and a scummy person for doing it. No question about that.

Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure that 14 year old me would not have thanked you for putting a stop to it.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:34 PM (tY4MP)

366 Yeah, what incentive did all those little kids in
the McMartin case have to make up all those ridiculous stories about
being molested in underground dungeons entered by being flushed down
toilets and all that?
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 05:18 PM (NMAzL)


being pressured by investigators to admit to things the adults told them were true, over and over.

a 6 year old in that situation will eventually say pretty much anything. Many adults will too.
The McMartin case set out whole new procedures for interrogating minors to avoid crap like that.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2019 05:34 PM (q2o38)

367 * Fourteen year old sexually active girls are not children.*

She wasnt sexually active, she just lay there like her mother!

Posted by: try the veal! at August 10, 2019 05:35 PM (NEGCL)

368 "Suicide Watch" is where prioners go who need to get out of the general population (or else). The sadists who work there make sure the conditions are increadably horrible, compared to prison standards, to disourage all the paperwork involved.

Posted by: pawn at August 10, 2019 05:35 PM (PveK5)

369 363: WOW

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:35 PM (U7k5w)

370 Lolo was so mature for twelve, more so than many an adult.

Posted by: Humbert Humbert at August 10, 2019 05:35 PM (fuK7c)

371 360 Yes fourteen year old girls are still children, whether sexually active or not. * Somebody* needs to brush up on their state's statutory rape laws.
Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:33 PM (zcT9k)

Well, even then -- for example, in the state I currently reside, the age of consent is 16. As a man in his early 30's, I would find it beyond creepy if one of my friends who is my age had sex with a 16 year old. Even though it's perfectly legal. Now if they guy was in his early 20's, it'd be way less weird.

Epstein was in his 50's when most of these accusations take place.

To me, a 16 year old is still a child.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:35 PM (GBteo)

372 310 Dershowitz is not the kind of person to take advantage of underage girls so I call bullshit on this allegation. That makes the rest of them dodgy too.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 05:20 PM (QMwOT)

Okay, but lets flip this on it's head.

You're Dershowitz, hanging out with your buddy Jeff Epstein. Jeff says, "hey Alan, this girl that works for me is interest in you... I think you could probably hook up with her if you tried."

I mean ... I can see it happening.

And I imagine that's how MOST of this went down -- I doubt most of the guys involved realized that these girls were basically sex trafficked prostitutes that Epstein was pimping out to people all around the world.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:23 PM (GBteo)

Ok I'm Dershowitz: "Married dude. Tomorrow I'll inform the judge that as of now I am no longer your attorney and I'll show myself out."

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 05:35 PM (QMwOT)

373 > Are we supposed to assume that all these girls were sexually experienced and eager to be playthings for Epstein and his pals?

I'm not assuming anything, especially not when both parties have a powerful financial incentive to lie.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:36 PM (tY4MP)

374 They didn't have to smuggle in an assassin. Just get an inmate or three serving life to do it. Cameras off, cell conveniently open.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2019 05:36 PM (pUDQf)

375 >>Well, the NY Post had some report about an older teen who said Epstein raped her and he bragged about being her first sexual experience-only it was cruder language than that- and she was in tears. Are we supposed to assume that all these girls were sexually experienced and eager to be playthings for Epstein and his pals?

All you have to do is watch the videos of some of women who have come forward to tell their stories. They are older now, in their early 30s I guess, and almost all of them have some lingering emotional/psychological issues.

I sincerely doubt any of the girls enjoyed the experience.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 05:36 PM (ZLI7S)

376 Would not a litigator be practiced in the art of deception?


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Wax on, wax off.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:36 PM (c2kQz)

377 Did Judge Roy Moore of Alabamm just show up on this board?

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:36 PM (zcT9k)

378 To me, a 16 year old is still a child.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:35 PM (GBteo)

Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (85Gof)

379 Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:34 PM (tY4MP)

Jeffrey Epstein was not sixteen and a cute boy Disgusting pervy Bill Clinton is not sixteen and a looker..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (+0VWg)

380 If, say, Farrah Fawcett had offered to have sex with 14 year old me, I would have jumped right on that shit.

She would've been guilty of statutory rape and a scummy person for doing it. No question about that.

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Let us discuss this scenario in greater detail...

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (c2kQz)

381 Fourteen year old sexually active girls are not children.
Posted by: Braenyard

the fuck they aren't. they are children. their brains do not have a frontal cortex which is the main decision making center. they cannot possibly make an "adult" decision to have consensual sex with a 40-60 yo man.

this is disgusting and I can't believe anyone would entertain the idea that a 14 yo girl is NOT a child.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (PkVlr)

382 Why would the girls be given the full names of the men? Wouldn't Tom, Dick and Harry have sufficed?

Absolutely nothing adds up here.

Posted by: creeper at August 10, 2019 05:27 PM (RK98Q)

It was an open secret for decades.

This is the same shit we heard about Bill Clinton and how could he have gotten away with rape.

They aren't hiding any of it. They were rich and powerful and there is nothing you can do about it.

The only real surprise is that Epstein was ever charged in the first place.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (aRAMD)

383 351 >>One Christmas QE II hiked up her skirt and slammed her fat ass right onto the Yorkshire pudding and started to grind

Oh so now we are going to call people who pudding dip perverts?

Fine.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 05:30 PM (ZLI7S)

You owe me a new keyboard!

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (QMwOT)

384 366: Kids like to please adults in authority.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (U7k5w)

385 My local jail has unencrypted comms on UHF. I listen to their routines.

NOTHING happens in there without an electronic record kept. Every move the guards and prisoners make is coordinated thru comms and door security monitors, which are computer logged.

Somebody in that jail KNOWS RIGHT NOW exactly what happened, because they have already reviewed those records. And then possibly destroyed them.

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:38 PM (mk9aG)

386 Rotherham, hmmm that seems to ring a bell.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 10, 2019 05:38 PM (151Du)

387
This is a good article at DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344785

He was dead within 24 hours of that sex-slave lawsuit allegations being unsealed. That dropped the names, including Prince Andrew, and *many other very powerful/wealthy* people.

"According to a prison officer, Epstein was being kept in a special unit with additional security, but he was not being actively surveyed by officials at the facility."

Uh huh.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 05:38 PM (NMAzL)

388 this is disgusting and I can't believe anyone would entertain the idea that a 14 yo girl is NOT a child.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (PkVlr)

Yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:38 PM (85Gof)

389 Cardinal Wuerl has a lot to answer for here...

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 10, 2019 05:38 PM (flINI)

390 Jeffrey Epstein was not sixteen and a cute boy Disgusting pervy Bill Clinton is not sixteen and a looker..
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (+0VWg)

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I disagree. North of the wall, he was a standout.

Posted by: Jon Snow at August 10, 2019 05:38 PM (c2kQz)

391 Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (PkVlr)


Yup. Sexual activity does not make you an adult making adult decisions.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 10, 2019 05:39 PM (pUDQf)

392 In the document drop they have more than just accusations. There are photos. Phone message notes. Manifests for the Lolita Express. The girl in question talking about the events back in 2011 to her psychologist. Medical evidence when she was taken to a hospital by Epstein and Maxwell and there was physical evidence of abuse. Testimony from a guy that had to clean their sex toys. Testimony from a pilot.

That was just the 74 pages I could stand to read before feeling sick.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:39 PM (4/UWb)

393 > Jeffrey Epstein was not sixteen and a cute boy Disgusting pervy Bill Clinton is not sixteen and a looker..

They did, however, have lots of money.

Which appears to do wonders to increase the sexual attractiveness of men among a certain cohort of girls and women.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:39 PM (tY4MP)

394 Epstein is only a small slice of what underage English girls got from Muslim gangs did

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2019 05:40 PM (BbGew)

395 326
If "IF" Epstein killed himself that would be the 1st suicide in MCC's History
I seriously doubt that there is a metropolitan area jail or federal lockup in the US over a year old that hasn't had a suicide.

Posted by: Jailbird at August 10, 2019 05:40 PM (djB9D)

396 Mickey Kaus cited a guy on Twitter, who I think has the most plausible explanation of what Epstein was up to.

Epstein was a pedophile, who had access to lots of wealthy people, thanks to his career in private banking.

So, he decided to blackmail people by supplying them with underage women.

But to blackmail a billionaire by demanding a check every year for $20 million a year would be noticed, by the IRS if no-one else.

So, you demand that the guy invest a billion dollars in your offshore hedge fund. A standard hedge fund fee is 2% of assets invested, and 20% of profits, so the guy pays you at least $20 million a year, in a way that nobody notices.

You invest the money in something like an S&P 500 index fund - which explained why Epstein had no traders. It also explains why you aren't interested in new "normal" clients, who would ask why you are charging such high fees for just investing in index funds.

Makes sense.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 10, 2019 05:40 PM (I2/tG)

397
363: WOW
Posted by: CN

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Xe totally had it coming.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 10, 2019 05:41 PM (13CQC)

398 I'm not assuming anything, especially not when both parties have a powerful financial incentive to lie.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:36 PM (tY4MP)

Do they though? What, are they going to enjoin Dershowitz in the civil suit?

Epstein (presumably) has more than enough money to go around, all they have to say is "he pimped me out to his friends, I didn't know their names" they payout shouldn't be any different.

I guess, theoretically, they could sue Epstein and Dershowitz separately, and maybe get a higher payout, but that's a legally risky move, especially if it's unproven / not true that they had sex with dershowitz.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:41 PM (GBteo)

399 I'm staying out of this one.

Carry on.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at August 10, 2019 05:41 PM (89f2O)

400 Well, there's still a lot of unanswered questions. How did he "kill himself" and what about 2 or 3 weeks ago when he supposedly tried to off himself then? Any follow up on that at all?

Posted by: Jewells45 at August 10, 2019 05:41 PM (dUJdY)

401 Xe totally had it coming.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 10, 2019 05:41 PM (13CQC)

I agree.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:42 PM (U7k5w)

402 371 that's why laws are usually written to allow for a very small age gap between the consenting teens, like two years. An 18 yr old who gets caught with a 15 yr old is going to end up on the registry.

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:42 PM (zcT9k)

403 If one has a high value asset for whatever reason, one watches that like a hawk. Conversely, if one knows that high value asset can really screw one over...well. As I said, stinks to high hell.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 05:42 PM (LOq4H)

404 what about 2 or 3 weeks ago when he supposedly tried to off himself then? Any follow up on that at all?
Posted by: Jewells45 at August 10, 2019 05:41 PM (dUJdY)

Yes, he succeeded this time. Hey you bat ,
.500 in baseball and your make the HOF

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (85Gof)

405 You invest the money in something like an S&P 500 index fund - which explained why Epstein had no traders. It also explains why you aren't interested in new "normal" clients, who would ask why you are charging such high fees for just investing in index funds.

Makes sense.

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Yep. Epstein's business plan is a topic unto itself.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (c2kQz)

406 (Contemplates skipping the chess thread this week and going right to the movie thread)

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (3Ame7)

407 He should never even have been put in general housing
Burr must have read that it was in all the newspapers
But now he is "shocked" shocked I say! At his death
A sexual predator never gets put in general housing for his own protection
And burr didn't know it ???
Who had the most to lose if Epstein flipped ?
Who is in charge and Gould have arranged it ?

Posted by: Kurt at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (I7heE)

408 I'm not arguing that. These girls willfully went
into circumstances that none of those kids that grammy is concerned over
ever did or will experience.



Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:33 PM (Hg4NE)



those are the ones we need to care for the most. they are the ones most susceptible to predators.

Being abused and molested does not make children more experienced in life. It makes the more likely to be unable to find anyone to protect them when the predators come and tell them it is a good idea, and better than what they have known to date.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (q2o38)

409 Suggest starting a separate thread for folks who want to argue about the damage done/not done to young sex trafficking victims.

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (mk9aG)

410 403: He was too important not too protect. Comey's daughter will probably assist donk clients and plea bargain down to illegal parking.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (U7k5w)

411 Okay, but lets flip this on it's head.

You're Dershowitz, hanging out with your buddy Jeff Epstein. Jeff says, "hey Alan, this girl that works for me is interest in you... I think you could probably hook up with her if you tried."

I mean ... I can see it happening.

And I imagine that's how MOST of this went down -- I doubt most of the guys involved realized that these girls were basically sex trafficked prostitutes that Epstein was pimping out to people all around the world.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:23 PM (GBteo)

*********
There are some reports that Epstein set people up to black mail them and he made most of his money in that way.

So did he entrap people? Quite possible. The black book had two meanings.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:44 PM (4/UWb)

412 Posted by: Kurt at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (I7heE)

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Fag

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 10, 2019 05:44 PM (flINI)

413 Interesting thread by former commenter ThunderB about the prison Epstein was kept in. Seems like a swell place.

https://tinyurl.com/yxbbcrl7

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 05:44 PM (ZLI7S)

414 Fourteen year old sexually active girls are not children.

Posted by: Braenyard



the fuck they aren't. they are children. their brains do not have a
frontal cortex which is the main decision making center. they cannot
possibly make an "adult" decision to have consensual sex with a 40-60 yo
man.



this is disgusting and I can't believe anyone would entertain the idea that a 14 yo girl is NOT a child.


Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM

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A whole bunch of Doctors and parents feel that very young children are considered adults these days. That's why we are seeing more and more articles on children as young as 6 gender transitioning with the help of local Doctors, eager woke parents and hospitals.


We have literally lost our way.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 05:45 PM (JUOKG)

415 Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 10, 2019 05:39 PM (tY4MP)

So it was all voluntary by sexually experienced "women" (who aren't legally adults) out for some fun and money because Bill Clinton just has a way about him that appeals to teens, and every teen wants to have sex with a man old enough to be her grandfather and who likes to have threesomes? No coercion at all? No threats? No abuse? It was just all a little romp in the hay done by teens who loved every minute of it?


Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 05:45 PM (+0VWg)

416 The Family on Netflix is pretty solid anti-religion propaganda

They put a lot of work to keep the viewer only seeing what they show

But it's crap--put it on chronological order and the whole tale falls apart

I mean, just a basic knowledge of history and you see how silly they are.
Strip out the axe-grinders, those with clear bias--none of which they disclose or mention-- and you're left moon-landing-was--a-hoax level looks

But the idiots will spout it as true

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 10, 2019 05:45 PM (k81AA)

417 A couple of generations ago pretty much everyone would have entertained the idea that 14-year-olds were not children. Hell, look at the culture of the invaders south of our border today. Circumstances matter a fair amount in these situations. I don't want to see guys my age cruising junior highs for dates, but I'm not fond of the way in which teens are treated like children today on almost every front. It's not good for them. And in terms of sex, it doesn't bear much correspondence to reality in terms on their own behavior (at least for a lot of them).

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 10, 2019 05:45 PM (H5knJ)

418
It's hard to imagine because it's hard to imagine Dershowitz having any type of sex life whatsoever.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 05:46 PM (UvpTf)

419 390 Jeffrey Epstein was not sixteen and a cute boy Disgusting pervy Bill Clinton is not sixteen and a looker..
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (+0VWg)


ageism , ugh

Posted by: REDACTED at August 10, 2019 05:46 PM (+8+gB)

420 gp- short thread. The damage is devastating and beyond repair.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 10, 2019 05:46 PM (151Du)

421

Another Thing: Why ONLY Bob Kraft exposed in that "sting" that supposedly was a HUGE undercover op by the Florida police?

Where are all the other perps??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 05:47 PM (UvpTf)

422
Fourteen year old sexually active girls are not children.
Posted by: Braenyard


Lower the voting age to 14

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2019 05:47 PM (aKsyK)

423 Forgot to add the manifests for the Lolita Express in the document drop includes the lists of passengers on numerous flights.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:47 PM (4/UWb)

424 70 I would like to send my condolences to Ms Ghislaine Maxwell. It is a real shame about her unexpected suicide tomorrow.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton
______________

No, another suicide that soon would look too suspicious. She'll have an unfortunate accident, or die unexpectedly during plastic surgery, or some such. Can't make it too obvious.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 10, 2019 05:47 PM (k4dH2)

425 "The Family on Netflix is pretty solid anti-religion propaganda"

I started watching it last nite, decided I should take a look at the guys two books instead. From the Amazon preview I read, it's horsesh!t.

This is a guy who (in 2009!!) was already complaining about young white men's "frat-like" behavior. He writes for The Nation and In These Times, and every other God-bashing outfit there is!

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (mk9aG)

426 At work yesterday afternoon several of us were discussing the Epstein case. I expressed amazement that he was still breathing, and said that he probably wouldn't last a week more.

Every single person in the conversation agreed with me.

"Arkancide" is the term that popped up most frequently.

And here we are.

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (VDbGO)

427 383 haha Jack Straw yes.

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (zcT9k)

428 418: He says his sex life is perfect!

I doubt he'd be stupid enough to get involved with Epstein's sex parties, but in over 25 years in mental health, I've seen some stunning stuff.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (U7k5w)

429 If "IF" Epstein killed himself that would be the 1st suicide in MCC's History
I seriously doubt that there is a metropolitan area jail or federal lockup in the US over a year old that hasn't had a suicide.
Posted by: Jailbird at August 10, 2019 05:40 PM (djB9D)

Yeah, I have a very hard time believing that. We have several suicides a year in our small county jail -- people serving a year or less (if it's longer sentence then that, they get sent to prison.)

People cooling their heels in the SDNY's lock up for some federal crimes? I have to imagine they have had suicides in their 50 year history.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (GBteo)

430 Anyone want to break the news to Kurt that there actually is a guy named "Burr" in the swamp, and he ain't GOP and he ain't the AG?

Posted by: Hands at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (786Ro)

431 A couple of generations ago pretty much everyone
would have entertained the idea that 14-year-olds were not children.
Hell, look at the culture of the invaders south of our border today.
Circumstances matter a fair amount in these situations. I don't want to
see guys my age cruising junior highs for dates, but I'm not fond of the
way in which teens are treated like children today on almost every
front. It's not good for them. And in terms of sex, it doesn't bear much
correspondence to reality in terms on their own behavior (at least for a
lot of them).


Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 10, 2019 05:45 PM

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Yep. My grandmother was married and pregnant at 14. Raised 5 children and lived to be almost 90. That was normal to her generation.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (JUOKG)

432 My bad - Burr is GOP. But GOPe.

Posted by: Hands at August 10, 2019 05:49 PM (786Ro)

433 "310 Dershowitz is not the kind of person to take advantage of underage girls.."

We don't know this. No one really knows who anybody is.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 10, 2019 05:49 PM (H8QX8)

434 To me, a 16 year old is still a child.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:35 PM (GBteo)

Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 05:37 PM (85Gof)

Traci Lords was no child. At least physically for sure.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:49 PM (2DOZq)

435 >>"Arkancide" is the term that popped up most frequently.

>And here we are.


I wonder if Vegas was taking action on Epstein's death this week?


Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 05:49 PM (IVoO9)

436 A few points to bear in mind...

The key figure here is NOT Epstein, it's Ray Chandler (he's already been interviewed by FBI /DOJ. *His* testimony matters in terms of criminal acts committed with Epstein.

Epstein's death now means that ALL of his property can be searched since there's nobody with "standing" too challenge a search warrant. EVERYTHING will admissible without the possibility of a "motion to suppress" (by *anybody*).

Anyone who thought Epstein's death would end it all is in for a very rude shock...

Posted by: CPT. Charles at August 10, 2019 05:49 PM (W+kMI)

437 "gp- short thread. The damage is devastating and beyond repair." I won't say reasonable people can't argue about it, but it belongs in its own thread.

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:50 PM (mk9aG)

438 Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (3Ame7)

Please do the chess Thread. Pretty women in nice outfits and talk about chess would be a welcome relief. This is a very depressing thread. I'm out.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2019 05:50 PM (+0VWg)

439 Dershowitz is not the kind of person to take advantage of underage girls.."

We don't know this. No one really knows who anybody is.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 10, 2019 05:49 PM (H8QX

So you think it's possible Trump hired Russian prostitutes?

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:50 PM (2DOZq)

440 I'm with you, Fen.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (PkVlr)

441 436 A few points to bear in mind...


They can literally dig to find out where the bodies are buried.

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (U7k5w)

442 Can't make it too obvious.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 10, 2019 05:47 PM (k4dH2)

Yeah...why not?

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (aRAMD)

443 " Dershowitz is not the kind of person to take advantage of underage girls.." How could you possibly know that?

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (mk9aG)

444 Dude, we're talking about children.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 05:25 PM (GBteo)

If Prince Andrew had done what he's being accused of in London it would've been legal due to their age of consent laws. Many US states still have 16 as the age of consent.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (rnXGe)

445 I doubt most of the guys involved realized that these girls were basically sex trafficked prostitutes that Epstein was pimping out to people all around the world.

You go to a party at a fancy house, you get really drunk and/or stoned, and this beautiful young woman comes on to you.

One thing leads to another, and the next day Epstein informs you that the girl was 15, and you now need to make some investments with Epstein.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (I2/tG)

446 >>People cooling their heels in the SDNY's lock up for some federal crimes? I have to imagine they have had suicides in their 50 year history.

Read the the thread I linked at 413 with quotes from former inmates at that facility.

Given the conditions they describe I'd be shocked if nobody has ever killed themselves.

Why would you have suicide watches if people never committed suicide?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (ZLI7S)

447 I'm out, I have shop doors to build.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (LOq4H)

448
Another good one by Carpe Donktum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWoXwUIywQ

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (UvpTf)

449 We don't know this. No one really knows who anybody is.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 10, 2019 05:49 PM (H8QX

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We don't even really know what time it is.

Posted by: Chicago at August 10, 2019 05:52 PM (c2kQz)

450 439 So you think it's possible Trump hired Russian prostitutes?


Of *course* it's "possible". I think it's very unlikely.

Posted by: Off the reservation at August 10, 2019 05:52 PM (vWMNq)

451
Epstein's death now means that ALL of his
property can be searched since there's nobody with "standing" too
challenge a search warrant. EVERYTHING will admissible without the
possibility of a "motion to suppress" (by *anybody*).



Anyone who thought Epstein's death would end it all is in for a very rude shock...

Posted by: CPT. Charles

................
Under what pretext?
The dude is dead. The investigation is over. over.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2019 05:52 PM (438dO)

452 No one really knows who anybody is. "

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at August 10, 2019 05:52 PM (6qErC)

453 This is a guy who (in 2009!!) was already complaining about young white men's "frat-like" behavior. He writes for The Nation and In These Times, and every other God-bashing outfit there is!

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (mk9aG)


The progressive left has really been ramping up their hair-on-fire, anti-West, anti-American smear machine lately. I wonder what they're so frantically frightened of? Is it just 2020, or something else?

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 05:52 PM (3Ame7)

454 Under what pretext?
The dude is dead. The investigation is over. over.





Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2019 05:52 PM

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It's not quite dead yet.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 05:53 PM (JUOKG)

455 >>You go to a party at a fancy house, you get really drunk and/or stoned, and this beautiful young woman comes on to you.



I love choose your own adventure stories!

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 10, 2019 05:53 PM (IVoO9)

456 The Epstein-Barr Virus sweeps over Washington!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 10, 2019 04:22 PM

With a twist of Lyme Disease?

Posted by: Elaine Benes at August 10, 2019 05:53 PM (7A4qQ)

457 Yep. My grandmother was married and pregnant at 14.
Raised 5 children and lived to be almost 90. That was normal to her
generation.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (JUOKG


Your grandma probably had family support, experience raising her siblings, and knew something of running a household.

A 14 YO now knows pop music, video games and intersectionality.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2019 05:53 PM (q2o38)

458 lol KURT is going off about 'Burr'

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:53 PM (zcT9k)

459 430 Anyone want to break the news to Kurt that there actually is a guy named "Burr" in the swamp, and he ain't GOP and he ain't the AG?
Posted by: Hands at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (786Ro)


Did someone call me?

Posted by: Zombie Aaron Burr at August 10, 2019 05:54 PM (3Ame7)

460 It was reported that Epstein was in a good mood the last few days. Anyone who works with the suicidal knows that's a danger sign - that the person has made a plan, and is now at peace, looking forward to carrying it out.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 05:54 PM (jK8Z7)

461 The investigation will get more folks to room temp. There is time.

Posted by: klaftern at August 10, 2019 05:54 PM (RuIsu)

462 So you think it's possible Trump hired Russian prostitutes?

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:50 PM (2DOZq)

Of course it's possible, but the evidence provided was ridiculous and the political motives obvious.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 05:54 PM (aRAMD)

463 Nowadays 14 year olds are children. Heck a lot of 30 year olds are. In times long past though it was different.

Posted by: freaked at August 10, 2019 05:54 PM (Tnijr)

464 >>Did someone call me?


No. They called your mother.

... we were talking about whores.

Posted by: Zombie Hamilton at August 10, 2019 05:55 PM (IVoO9)

465 "The progressive left has really been ramping up their hair-on-fire, anti-West, anti-American smear machine lately. I wonder what they're so frantically frightened of? Is it just 2020, or something else?"

I have been frantically frightened for the last 8 days. This is January 1861. This is very very bad. I feel completely isolated and friendless now. I do NOT know what or who to believe.

This SUCKS!

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:55 PM (mk9aG)

466 So you think it's possible Trump hired Russian prostitutes?
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:50 PM (2DOZq)

It's possible. But I don't think he did. That's just my opinion.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 10, 2019 05:55 PM (H8QX8)

467 460 It was reported that Epstein was in a good mood the last few days. Anyone who works with the suicidal knows that's a danger sign - that the person has made a plan, and is now at peace, looking forward to carrying it out.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 05:54 PM (jK8Z7)

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (U7k5w)

468

We don't know this. No one really knows who anybody is.



Cosby was "America's Dad."

And OJ was a great guy.

And Bandersnatch wasn't a carrot-adder.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (oVJmc)

469 And just think of it...the declass hasn't even hit yet.

I trust Trump, do you?

Posted by: CPT. Charles at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (W+kMI)

470 Who is doing the autopsy?

Posted by: davidt at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (Nm52z)

471 60 It was reported that Epstein was in a good mood the last few days. Anyone who works with the suicidal knows that's a danger sign - that the person has made a plan, and is now at peace, looking forward to carrying it out.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 05:54 PM (jK8Z7)

********

So if they have experience with this they should have started watching him again.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (4/UWb)

472 "Why would you have suicide watches if people never committed suicide?"

I would guess the point might be that their prevention was that successful ... because they intervene early, and don't leave those on watch alone. But I'm just guessing.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (Cus5s)

473 Yeah...why not?
_______________

lol, true. They really don't give a shit if they're obvious or not. They know nothing will happen to them.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (k4dH2)

474 Hello, is this where elderly boomer nut jobs post?

Oh, I see it is...

Carry on.

Posted by: Zoomie at August 10, 2019 05:57 PM (ZRH0a)

475 Being abused and molested does not make children more experienced in life. It makes the more likely to be unable to find anyone to protect them when the predators come and tell them it is a good idea, and better than what they have known to date.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2019 05:43 PM (q2o3


Save the world, fine.
But that AG shucking about how he still cared for the abused women is BS. Epstein was killed for what he knew. This prosecution was not about the girls it was about power.

The girls were, as they were originally, a device.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 05:57 PM (Hg4NE)

476 460 It was reported that Epstein was in a good mood the last few days. Anyone who works with the suicidal knows that's a danger sign - that the person has made a plan, and is now at peace, looking forward to carrying it out.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 05:54 PM (jK8Z7)

While this is true, do we believe the "reports"? And who knows what the man was being told by his legal team and institutional administration?

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:57 PM (U7k5w)

477 471 hero heato, yes, they should have.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 05:57 PM (jK8Z7)

478 Who is doing the autopsy?


Fusion GPS

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 05:57 PM (oVJmc)

479 So if they have experience with this they should have started watching him again.
Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (4/UWb)

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:58 PM (U7k5w)

480 >>Who is doing the autopsy?


Dr. Anwan from Crowdstrike

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 05:58 PM (IVoO9)

481 "Circumstances matter a fair amount in these situations. I don't want to see guys my age cruising junior highs for dates, but I'm not fond of the way in which teens are treated like children today on almost every front."

Maybe we should distinguish between "child" -- which to me, generally means "kid who hasn't reached puberty and as of yet has no physical or psychological resemblance to an adult" -- and "minor", meaning "person not (yet) legally capable of making adult decisions, including, but not limited to, consent to sexual activity with another person." All children are minors, but not all minors are children.

Posted by: Secret Square at August 10, 2019 05:58 PM (9WuX0)

482 No. They called your mother.
... we were talking about whores.

Posted by: Zombie Hamilton at August 10, 2019 05:55 PM (IVoO9)


Shut your foul mouth, you cur, or I shall have to put you in the ground -- again!

Posted by: Zombie Aaron Burr at August 10, 2019 05:58 PM (3Ame7)

483 Ted Bundy was just a friendly guy driving a Volkswagen on the highway and volunteering at the suicide hotline next to Ann Rule.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:58 PM (4/UWb)

484

I am probably in a minority opinion, but I never cared much about the Epstein story. Still don't.

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 10, 2019 05:58 PM (Xqo6t)

485 Well this thread has certainly been revealing...

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 05:59 PM (zcT9k)

486 Yep. My grandmother was married and pregnant at 14.

Raised 5 children and lived to be almost 90. That was normal to her

generation.




Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (JUOKG

Your grandma probably had family support, experience raising her siblings, and knew something of running a household.

A 14 YO now knows pop music, video games and intersectionality.





Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2019 05:53 PM

---

The 14 year olds currently in my extended family also know about raising siblings, changing diapers, babysitting, feeding the kids, have family support and take care of the house doing laundry, cooking and cleaning.


It's all about how they are raised. Not all kids are damaged goods.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 05:59 PM (JUOKG)

487 "Who is doing the autopsy? Fusion GPS" First LOL of the day! Thanks!

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:59 PM (mk9aG)

488 478 Who is doing the autopsy?

Fusion GPS
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 05:57 PM (oVJmc)


In a back room at Comet Pizza.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 05:59 PM (3Ame7)

489 Posted by: Zoomie at August 10, 2019 05:57 PM (ZRH0a)

Don't get your hair bun in a bunch. Whoops too late. Just guessing . Is your sexuality is fluid ?

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 05:59 PM (2DOZq)

490 14 year olds are not adults but they can be sexually active which is why the age of consent in most states is 16. However you can be charged with statutory rape if you are over a certain age if you have sex with someone 16-18. Neighbor had his 17 year old break up with his 15 year old girlfriend because of he feared this. Interestingly some states (Alabama I believe is one) still allow a 12 year old to get married provided parental consent is granted and for the balance of the states the ages qre 14-16 with parental consent. I heard a school in Tennessee a few years back tried to fire a track coach in his 40's for his relationship with a 16 year old female student who was a runner on the team. Couldn't because he married her, with parental consent. Epstein figured he'd never get out (a fair statement) so he decided to have the last laugh, especially after being attacked and knowing he'd fear this for the rest of his life. Pedophiles are not welcome in prison and bribing guards is cheap for a billionaire.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (QMwOT)

491 The dude was straight up merked no doubt about it.

Funny how inconvenient people for the Clinton's and the Deep State just up and kill themselves and or get murdered while walking in the park.

Funny ha-ha.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (wGXrV)

492 Autopsy? What autopsy? He's already been buried.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's people at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (jK8Z7)

493 If Prince Andrew had done what he's being accused of in London it would've been legal due to their age of consent laws. Many US states still have 16 as the age of consent.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 10, 2019 05:51 PM (rnXGe)

Yep, pretty much every state I've lived in has had 16 as the age of consent.

As in a 70 year old could legally bang a 16 year old, no problem.

I don't know the laws in the UK, but it's not surprising to me that the age of consent there is 16.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (GBteo)

494 "After being forced to listen to Springsteen music for 24 hours straight, Epstein decided suicide was his only choice".

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (9YBqo)

495 Who is doing the autopsy?
Posted by: davidt at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (Nm52z)

-------

D.B. Cooper

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (c2kQz)

496 U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman said Saturday his office is still looking into the Epstein case and urged other potential victims to come forward.

He noted in a statement that the indictment against Epstein contained a conspiracy charge, suggesting others could face charges in the case.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (85Gof)

497 >>Posted by: Zombie Aaron Burr at August 10, 2019 05:58 PM (3Ame7)


Lucky shot. And one that I attribute to chance and the tertiary syphilis you inherited from your mother.

But, mostly your tertiary syphilis.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (IVoO9)

498 479 So if they have experience with this they should have started watching him again.
Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (4/UWb)
Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 05:58 PM (U7k5w)
A "flight into health" is a bad sign in S/P suicide attempt patients, unless they were severely intoxicated when they made the attempt

Posted by: CN at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (U7k5w)

499 63 I'm announcing the Ace Fyreskull Festival, to take place on the late Jeffrey Epstein's sex island.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:31 PM (PbpT7)

If you don't burn a wooden sculpture of an ewok at the end of the festivities it'll be just wrong.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (1FhAQ)

500 That's a good way to put it SS. There are plenty of minors that are no longer children.

Posted by: freaked at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (Tnijr)

501 I love the Prince Andrew conspiracy theories. Keep them coming. They're hilarious. But at least wait another day before you reveal you think he's a lizard alien.

Posted by: Queen Elizardbeth II at August 10, 2019 06:01 PM (dYe5S)

502 Prison is a very scary prospect for someone who came up the soft way.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:19 PM (PbpT7)


WikiHow to the rescue, for any of you morons who need advice on "How to Survive in Federal Prison":

https://tinyurl.com/y5szdlem

Posted by: Basement Cat at August 10, 2019 06:01 PM (pPNCa)

503 Dammit. My Hamilton Zombie sock fell off.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:01 PM (IVoO9)

504 It's OK. The FBI is investigating.

Thanks, I'll be here all week. Be sure to tip your waitress.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at August 10, 2019 06:02 PM (hjaPQ)

505 477 471 hero heato, yes, they should have.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 05:57 PM

*********

After the first attempt they should have had psych evaluations and follow up you would think.

Not that I know how the heck it works.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 06:02 PM (4/UWb)

506 I thought it very odd that the Feds recently saw fit to transfer a very elderly Whitey Bulger to a very insecure and violent prison in Hazelton, West Virginia. Bulger was 89 years old, in poor health, and being held in a prison in Florida.

The feds still won't say WHY they transferred Bulger, who was brutally murdered within days of his transfer. That murder is still unsolved.

Who was overseeing Whitey Bulger's use as an FBI informant in Boston while Bulger ran around killing people in Boston? Who knowingly sent four innocent men to prison for murders committed by Bulger?

Um, that would be Captain Integrity, Robert Mueller III.

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 10, 2019 06:02 PM (VDbGO)

507 451 - Chi-Town Jerry

You're forgetting something: Epstein's NYC residence was searched, and the contents secured...everything.

Epstein's death makes everything found immune to a motion to suppress.

You might want to look up the details of that search...just say'n.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at August 10, 2019 06:02 PM (W+kMI)

508 I want the truth to come out....all the names, all the tapes, all the pictures.

A man can dream.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 10, 2019 06:03 PM (Z+IKu)

509 Dersh' saying he kept his underwear on during the massage at Epstein Island ... says it was an adult woman. Earlier in this video he says there may have been underage girls in other parts of the house giving messages ...


youtu.be/cxzL5Z8viD8?t=29

Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2019 06:03 PM (Cus5s)

510 Anyway that pic of HRC looks like a generic '70s cop show character.

Posted by: kallisto at August 10, 2019 06:03 PM (zcT9k)

511 Did someone call me?
Posted by: Zombie Aaron Burr at August 10, 2019 05:54 PM (3Ame7)


Nah-- they want Perry Mason.

Posted by: Zombie Raymond Burr at August 10, 2019 06:03 PM (pPNCa)

512 490 14 year olds are not adults but they can be sexually active which is why the age of consent in most states is 16. However you can be charged with statutory rape if you are over a certain age if you have sex with someone 16-18.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (QMwOT)

That's all state specific. Age of consent in NH, for example is 16. Anyone can sleep with a 16 year old. There's like a 2 year "Romeo and Juliet" exception -- so 16 and 14 is okay, but 17 and 14 is statutory rape.

In CT, it's 16, with a pretty generous (IIRC 4 years) "Romeo and Juliet" exception -- so a 17 year old could sleep with a 13 year old, legally.

In VA, it's 18, and I don't think they have any "Romeo and Juliet" exception. So it would, theoretically, be illegal for an 18 year old to sleep with a 17 year old (I could be wrong on this, I haven't really researched this topic much.)

Anyways, varies wildly by state.

That said, once you cross a state line to engage in sex with a minor, federal laws come in to play.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:03 PM (GBteo)

513 The Clintons got him. Is anyone surprised?

That picture Epstein's last visit, LOL.

Posted by: Nonono at August 10, 2019 06:04 PM (2Cm6i)

514 503 Dammit. My Hamilton Zombie sock fell off.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:01 PM (IVoO9)


Aha! We finally see your face for what it is.

I always knew you were a lizard.

Posted by: Zombie Aaron Burr at August 10, 2019 06:04 PM (3Ame7)

515 502 Prison is a very scary prospect for someone who came up the soft way.

Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:19 PM (PbpT7)

WikiHow to the rescue, for any of you morons who need advice on "How to Survive in Federal Prison":

https://tinyurl.com/y5szdlem
Posted by: Basement Cat at August 10, 2019 06:01 PM (pPNCa)

Simple: stay out.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:04 PM (QMwOT)

516 We don't know this. No one really knows who anybody is.


Cosby was "America's Dad."

And OJ was a great guy.

And Bandersnatch wasn't a carrot-adder.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (oVJmc

I know it's snark but people in his circle knew about how OJ
treated women and the womanizing Cosby was well known before he became Americ's dad.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at August 10, 2019 06:04 PM (2DOZq)

517 Zombie, Raymond, now I can't get the theme song out of my head. Thanks.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 06:05 PM (jK8Z7)

518 I miss the days when Zombies Hamilton and Burr would duke it out on every other thread!

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:05 PM (IVoO9)

519 That's all state specific. Age of consent in NH, for example is 16. Anyone can sleep with a 16 year old.


*Checks with wife*

Ow, yeah, no.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 06:05 PM (oVJmc)

520 WikiHow to the rescue, for any of you morons who need advice on "How to Survive in Federal Prison":

https://tinyurl.com/y5szdlem
Posted by: Basement Cat at August 10, 2019 06:01 PM (pPNCa)


---------

Survive it?

REVEL IN IT!!!

Posted by: Shep Smith at August 10, 2019 06:05 PM (c2kQz)

521 Cell camera malfunctioned? What a coinky dink.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 10, 2019 06:06 PM (r+sAi)

522 I makes no difference weather Epi boy killed himself or was murdered. Very rich and powerful are relieved for sure. As always they are still corrupt.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at August 10, 2019 06:06 PM (0OmEj)

523 I want the truth to come out....all the names, all the tapes, all the pictures.



===

sure, sure, right after the blue ribbon commission on the demise if Mr. Epstein finishes its work

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 06:06 PM (bUjCl)

524 486Yep. My grandmother was married and pregnant at 14.

Raised 5 children and lived to be almost 90. That was normal to her

generation.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2019 05:48 PM (JUOKG

Had a friend (RIP) whose mom was 16 when she married the principal of their country School (age 36).

Town was fine with it. Her dad was glad she had security in the depression.

Posted by: Dempsy at August 10, 2019 06:06 PM (vX1iB)

525 OF Mr...(sigh)

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 06:06 PM (bUjCl)

526 521 Cell camera malfunctioned? What a coinky dink.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 10, 2019 06:06 PM (r+sAi)

--------

Panopticon FAIL

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:07 PM (c2kQz)

527 Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 10, 2019 05:41 PM (13CQC)
******
Truth Hurts Huh?

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 06:07 PM (BqBId)

528 I have been frantically frightened for the last 8 days. This is January 1861. This is very very bad. I feel completely isolated and friendless now. I do NOT know what or who to believe.

This SUCKS!

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 05:55 PM (mk9aG)


If you live in a deep blue city pick a safe route to and from work. Keep a weeks worth of supplies set aside. Act Up will be under control in less time.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 06:07 PM (Hg4NE)

529 512 490 14 year olds are not adults but they can be sexually active which is why the age of consent in most states is 16. However you can be charged with statutory rape if you are over a certain age if you have sex with someone 16-18.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:00 PM (QMwOT)

That's all state specific. Age of consent in NH, for example is 16. Anyone can sleep with a 16 year old. There's like a 2 year "Romeo and Juliet" exception -- so 16 and 14 is okay, but 17 and 14 is statutory rape.

In CT, it's 16, with a pretty generous (IIRC 4 years) "Romeo and Juliet" exception -- so a 17 year old could sleep with a 13 year old, legally.

In VA, it's 18, and I don't think they have any "Romeo and Juliet" exception. So it would, theoretically, be illegal for an 18 year old to sleep with a 17 year old (I could be wrong on this, I haven't really researched this topic much.)

Anyways, varies wildly by state.

That said, once you cross a state line to engage in sex with a minor, federal laws come in to play.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:03 PM (GBteo)

Yes. Which is why a private island is so useful to have. By the way, how far out to see is this island "paradise"? Is it outside the 12 mile limit? If so he could have just declared himself a nation state outside the jurisdiction of the United States. SeaLand all over again.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:08 PM (QMwOT)

530 This is a guy who (in 2009!!) was already complaining about young white men's "frat-like" behavior. He writes for The Nation and In These Times, and every other God-bashing outfit there is!
---
Yeah, it's clear that all, and I mean all, of the people critical of the organization are rabid anti-christians, full-on leftist to their core.

I mean, it is crude, ham-handed when you see the tricks and slights of hand they're trying to pull.

I am not defending the Fellowship and all that but those assholes who made this wouldn't dare put 1/10 the effort into examining, say, the Tide Foundation, who has 1000 times the influence

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 10, 2019 06:08 PM (k81AA)

531 517 Zombie, Raymond, now I can't get the theme song out of my head. Thanks.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 06:05 PM (jK8Z7)


You're welcome.

Posted by: Zombie Fred Steiner at August 10, 2019 06:08 PM (3Ame7)

532 Besides, Chi-town Jerry, Chandler's the key to this matter, and I don't hear any news reports of Chandler's 'untimely' demise...

...at least not yet.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at August 10, 2019 06:08 PM (W+kMI)

533 Dersh' saying he kept his underwear on during the massage at Epstein Island ... says it was an adult woman. Earlier in this video he says there may have been underage girls in other parts of the house giving messages ... 


youtu.be/cxzL5Z8viD8?t=29

Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2019 06:03 PM (Cus5s)

So Dershowitz pals around with Mr Lolita and is ok with massages from his girls and now he swears he keep his undies on?

This guy knew who Epstein was and what he was selling, or he was retarded.

Guilty.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 06:09 PM (aRAMD)

534 LOL the NeverTrumpers just can't wrap their minds around the fact that Trump had nothing to fear from Epstein at all.Nothing.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2019 06:09 PM (l9mVC)

535 sure, sure, right after the blue ribbon commission on the demise if Mr. Epstein finishes its work
Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 06:06 PM (bUjCl)

Sooo two weeks is about right, right?

Yeah, two weeks. They got their best people working on it, they are working in shifts. Following the leads....

Saw it in a movie once.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 10, 2019 06:09 PM (Z+IKu)

536 Lethal incompetence happens.

But this stinks on ice.

Posted by: Dianna at August 10, 2019 06:10 PM (oQfDM)

537 Barr's gonna need to appoint a Special Counsel to investigate the FBI's whitewash investigation. And a Special Counsel to investigate the Special Counsel investigating the FBI's whitewash investigation. And this could go on forever.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at August 10, 2019 06:10 PM (hjaPQ)

538 Yes. Which is why a private island is so useful to have. By the way, how far out to see is this island "paradise"? Is it outside the 12 mile limit? If so he could have just declared himself a nation state outside the jurisdiction of the United States. SeaLand all over again.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:08 PM (QMwOT)

It's part of the US Virgin Island.

I would assume it falls under all the same federal laws regarding crossing borders with minors for the purposes of having sex, but I honestly have no idea how US territories work when it comes to laws like that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:10 PM (GBteo)

539 I am not defending the Fellowship and all that but those assholes who made this wouldn't dare put 1/10 the effort into examining, say, the Tide Foundation, who has 1000 times the influence

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 10, 2019 06:08 PM (k81AA)


"There are no enemies on the left..."

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:10 PM (3Ame7)

540 A woman in my HS class married a biology teacher in his late 20's after graduation. They'd been secretly dating and engaged for some time. Her family knew. They're still going strong, 40+ years later. He got another job, obviously.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 06:10 PM (jK8Z7)

541 519 That's all state specific. Age of consent in NH, for example is 16. Anyone can sleep with a 16 year old.


*Checks with wife*

Ow, yeah, no.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 06:05 PM (oVJmc)

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:10 PM (QMwOT)

542

It's gonna be hilarious when the fbi solves the case and reveals, in October 2020, it was a n*zi gang who arranged Epstein's fake suicide.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 06:11 PM (UvpTf)

543 It's Special Counsels all the way down.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:11 PM (c2kQz)

544 interesting but bear in mind his first suicide attempt was three weeks
ago-- you can't hold someone in that kind of serious restraint forever.
You'd run into 8th Amendment problems, cruel and unusual punishment.

Hey ace, how long has Manafort been in solitary? That didn't seem to be a problem for anyone.

Posted by: S.C.U.M. (So-Called-Unbias-Media) Hunter at August 10, 2019 06:11 PM (4LbHt)

545 It's gonna be hilarious when the fbi solves the case and reveals, in October 2020, it was a n*zi gang who arranged Epstein's fake suicide.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 06:11 PM (UvpTf)

Heh.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (GBteo)

546 Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 10, 2019 05:41 PM (13CQC)
******
Truth Hurts Huh?

BM is just that.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (dmYb7)

547 I would assume it falls under all the same federal laws regarding crossing borders with minors for the purposes of having sex, but I honestly have no idea how US territories work when it comes to laws like that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:10 PM (GBteo)

Pretty much a moot point in Epstein's case anyway.

Posted by: BignJames at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (ykq7q)

548 So they took him off 'suicide watch then put him in the 'not watch suicide room' with the meat hook in the ceiling and single light bulb hanging from ceiling with an extension cord.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (1g7ch)

549 *waltzes in the ashes*

Posted by: History & Fate & shit at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (PmHK7)

550 "This guy knew who Epstein was and what he was selling, or he was retarded. "

Yep. He did get to be a high powered lawyer by being a mook.

Posted by: freaked at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (Tnijr)

551
interesting but bear in mind his first suicide attempt was three weeks ago--


Sure, that happened.

All part of the ruse.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (UvpTf)

552 Hey ace, how long has Manafort been in solitary? That didn't seem to be a problem for anyone.
Posted by: S.C.U.M. (So-Called-Unbias-Media) Hunter at August 10, 2019 06:11 PM (4LbHt)

--------

Any man refuses to testify against Orange Man Bad, gets a night in the box.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:13 PM (c2kQz)

553 Pretty much a moot point in Epstein's case anyway.
Posted by: BignJames at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (ykq7q)

Yeah, they had him with the NM, FL, and NY properties.

Plus the whole sex trafficking thing -- it wasn't just statutory rape.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:13 PM (GBteo)

554 I am not defending the Fellowship and all that but those assholes who made this wouldn't dare put 1/10 the effort into examining, say, the Tide Foundation, who has 1000 times the influence
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 10, 2019 06:08 PM (k81AA)


It's why they're running around sharting their shorts about 'white supremacy' when you could fit every KKK member in the U.S. inside a couple of Greyhound buses and a clown car, and even then, about one out of every four or five of the knuckleheads would be an FBI informer or special agent.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:13 PM (3Ame7)

555 Oh good gawd saw this at the Althouse blog. Leaving it for Ace


daskol said...
There is enough out there about Epsteins habits and hobbies and peculiarities, including the fact that he wanted to cryogenically preserve his head and penis, that suicide is incredibly unlikely to be an out for him. His profile is incompatible with suicide.

8/10/19, 11:59 AM

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 06:13 PM (4/UWb)

556 >>Yes. Which is why a private island is so useful to have. By the way, how far out to see is this island "paradise"? Is it outside the 12 mile limit? If so he could have just declared himself a nation state outside the jurisdiction of the United States. SeaLand all over again.

It is right off the coast of St Thomas. I've anchored off it before. Didn't get invited to the parties.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:13 PM (ZLI7S)

557 did "not" I mean

Posted by: freaked at August 10, 2019 06:14 PM (Tnijr)

558 I saw Frozen Epstein Penis open for the Butthole Surfers at the Odyssey in '08.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 06:14 PM (oVJmc)

559 S.C.U.M., I hear Manafort prefers it to being on a cellblock, so he hasn't really pushed to get back in the population.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 06:14 PM (jK8Z7)

560 Sooo two weeks is about right, right?

Yeah, two weeks. They got their best people working on it, they are working in shifts. Following the leads....

Saw it in a movie once.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 10, 2019 06:09 PM (Z+IKu)


...their job was made slightly more difficult when Mr. Epstein's body was hastily cremated, guards disappeared, and when prison video surveillance and personnel records went missing after a virus of unknown origin hit the servers...

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 06:14 PM (bUjCl)

561 548 So they took him off 'suicide watch then put him in the 'not watch suicide room' with the meat hook in the ceiling and single light bulb hanging from ceiling with an extension cord.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (1g7ch)

If I had to guess (I haven't read this anywhere), he hanged himself with his sheets. That seems to be the way they do it in prison, usually.

So once he was off suicide watch, they would have given him bed sheets again and not just a plastic mattress to sleep on.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:14 PM (GBteo)

562
Yep, Ms. Maxwell's days are numbered:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344765

Yeah, it will "look suspicious" if she buys the farm, but then it it will always look suspicious. If you've got to do a high-profile, "very suspicious" hit, just do it. The sooner the better, silence her quickly.

She's dead, Jim.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 06:14 PM (NMAzL)

563 I think the old saw of half your age plus 7 years seems like good advice. Not that you could make a law of it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 10, 2019 06:15 PM (r+sAi)

564 >> he wanted to cryogenically preserve his head and penis,


Apparently he wasn't concerned about shrinkage...or freezer burn.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:15 PM (IVoO9)

565 It is right off the coast of St Thomas. I've anchored off it before. Didn't get invited to the parties.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:13 PM (ZLI7S)

Speaking of that, whens the aoshq party on your yacht happening?!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:15 PM (GBteo)

566 The fake suicide is part of the kink.

Posted by: Hillary at August 10, 2019 06:15 PM (9taFn)

567 548 So they took him off 'suicide watch then put him in the 'not watch suicide room' with the meat hook in the ceiling and single light bulb hanging from ceiling with an extension cord.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2019 06:12 PM (1g7ch)

Well with such a dreary interior design who wouldn't off himself?

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:16 PM (QMwOT)

568 >>It is right off the coast of St Thomas. I've anchored off it before. Didn't get invited to the parties.


How was the fishing?

... I hear they don't even smell like fish yet.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:16 PM (IVoO9)

569 I hope all of those in Moron Nation that frequents the liberal site, are spreading the story, that he has been spirited off to Gitmo, and is singing like bird.

Posted by: Paladin at August 10, 2019 06:16 PM (nQbfJ)

570 562
Yep, Ms. Maxwell's days are numbered:
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She should demand to be placed into protective custody!

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at August 10, 2019 06:16 PM (hjaPQ)

571

Anyone ever see the movie....never mind; I'll save it for the movie thread.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 06:17 PM (UvpTf)

572 540 A woman in my HS class married a biology teacher in his late 20's after graduation. They'd been secretly dating and engaged for some time. Her family knew. They're still going strong, 40+ years later. He got another job, obviously.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2019 06:10 PM (jK8Z7)


Back in the 19th century, when schools were a lot more, shall we say, informal than today, it wasn't uncommon for a young male teacher, who was responsible for teaching every student from age 8 to 18, to eventually marry his oldest female student.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:17 PM (3Ame7)

573 565 It is right off the coast of St Thomas. I've anchored off it before. Didn't get invited to the parties.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:13 PM (ZLI7S)

Speaking of that, whens the aoshq party on your yacht happening?!


Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:15 PM (GBteo)

I'm packing my swim trunks as I type!

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:17 PM (QMwOT)

574 I take a lickin' and keep on tickin'!

Posted by: Suicide Watch at August 10, 2019 06:17 PM (5aX2M)

575 564 >> he wanted to cryogenically preserve his head and penis,


Apparently he wasn't concerned about shrinkage...or freezer burn.
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:15 PM (IVoO9)

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Freezer burn is nothing more than a nuisance. The insurance guys really overplay the risk.

Posted by: Walt Disney's Frozen Head at August 10, 2019 06:17 PM (c2kQz)

576 >>I'm packing my swim trunks as I type!

I'm just bringing my Swim Chaps.

Leaving the Trunks at home.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:18 PM (IVoO9)

577 Can his estate sell his frozen penis on Ebay?

Asking for a friend.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 10, 2019 06:18 PM (Z+IKu)

578 Back in the 19th century, when schools were a lot more, shall we say, informal than today, it wasn't uncommon for a young male teacher, who was responsible for teaching every student from age 8 to 18, to eventually marry his oldest female student.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:17 PM (3Ame7)

You know, it's a bit unfair. Did you know that as a lawyer, it's unethical to have sex with a client (unless the sexual relationship is pre existing), and you can get disbarred for it?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:18 PM (GBteo)

579 Epstein forgot to wind his Suicide Watch..

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 06:18 PM (oVJmc)

580 interesting but bear in mind his first suicide
attempt was three weeks ago-- you can't hold someone in that kind of
serious restraint forever. You'd run into 8th Amendment problems, cruel
and unusual punishment.





Posted by: ace at August 10, 2019 04:34 PM (PbpT7)


Well that seems to have been hunkey dorey when it came to Manafort's treatment.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 10, 2019 06:18 PM (sulRy)

581 Prison video to be edited by Mary Rose Woods?

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at August 10, 2019 06:18 PM (LGo6U)

582 happening?!


Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:15 PM (GBteo)

I'm packing my swim trunks as I type!
Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:17 PM (QMwOT)

-------

Where do I sign up for the Eastern Carib MoMee?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (c2kQz)

583 >>How was the fishing?

>>... I hear they don't even smell like fish yet.

The area is a popular spot for bareboat charters and also a popular hangout for the crews of charted yachts when they aren't in service.

For some reason, the charter crew girls used to love swimming topless in the area.

As I said, I've anchored there a few times.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (ZLI7S)

584
The letters in "epstein" spell "penis" with a few letters left over.


Who here is good at anagrams? Do epstein.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (UvpTf)

585 If ar time point in the future they can revive you from just a frozen head I would think they could provide you with a suitable penis as well.....

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (l9mVC)

586
Her dad was glad she had security in the depression.


Now we get depression in security.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (aKsyK)

587 >>Prison video



Anything else wins the Oscar for 'Best Special Effects' this year and you know it's rigged.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (IVoO9)

588
BM is just that.
*******
You confuse with with someone who cares Chuckles, they didn't think that the Former DA & NYC Mayor wouldn't know that Epstein was or wasn't suicide watch & didn't have sources, BUT thanks for Playing

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (BqBId)

589 I figured the aoshq yacht party would be commando, like the comment section.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (r+sAi)

590 >>You know, it's a bit unfair. Did you know that as a lawyer, it's unethical to have sex with a client (unless the sexual relationship is pre existing), and you can get disbarred for it?

Only if you get caught.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (dmYb7)

591 576 >>I'm packing my swim trunks as I type!

I'm just bringing my Swim Chaps.

Leaving the Trunks at home.
Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:18 PM (IVoO9)

A mental image that will require large amounts of alcohol to remove . . . .

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (QMwOT)

592 Anyways, varies wildly by state.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:03 PM (GBteo)


Used to be at least one state where statutory rape only applied to the girl. So if you were a 16 year old guy and slept with your 17 year old girlfriend, you could could be charged with statutory rape. I don't know if that's still the case. Seems like it shouldn't be.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (h2Bdk)

593 She should demand to be placed into protective custody!

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at August 10, 2019 06:16 PM (hjaPQ)

LOL

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (aRAMD)

594 No chess thread tonight? Miss the dress pron.

Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (jm1YL)

595 >>Speaking of that, whens the aoshq party on your yacht happening?!


Sadly, the big boat is gone. You're welcome to come on the fishing boat but it will be considerably smaller party.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (ZLI7S)

596 590 >>You know, it's a bit unfair. Did you know that as a lawyer, it's unethical to have sex with a client (unless the sexual relationship is pre existing), and you can get disbarred for it?

Only if you get caught.
Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (dmYb7)


Sure, because the vindictive ex isn't a thing. Hahahaha.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (h2Bdk)

597 We find the custodial and preventive measures taken to have been defensible.


We do not believe bias affected any decisions made.


We have made several referrals for prosecution, but DOJ has declined to prosecute.


Does that cover it?


Posted by: DOJ IG at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (QDnY+)

598 Vermont Age of Consent is 16
Maine Age of Consent is 16
Idaho 17 or younger not
Washington Age of Consent is 16
California is 18 -

wikipedia

*Until the late 20th century many states had provisions requiring that the teenage girl must be of previous "chaste character" in order for the sexual conduct to be considered criminal.
*Volokh, Eugene. "Statutory rape laws and ages of consent in the U.S." (Archive). Washington Post. May 1, 2015. Re

It's 16, 17, 18; here's a map
https://tinyurl.com/y4mwrvra

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (Hg4NE)

599 "Do epstein"

ET penis

Posted by: ET bone home at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (Tnijr)

600 If ar time point in the future they can revive you from just a frozen head I would think they could provide you with a suitable penis as well.....

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (l9mVC)

Define...suitable...

Posted by: BignJames at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (ykq7q)

601 If you are that in love with your penis why would you choke it to death?

The prosecution rests.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (4/UWb)

602 Where do I sign up for the Eastern Carib MoMee?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:19 PM (c2kQz)

Unfortunately, it's based out of Rhode fucking Island. Ahem.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (GBteo)

603 Luckily, I have Fishing Chaps too!

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (IVoO9)

604

Dear Judge,
Please excuse Jeff from court today as he has committed suicide.

Posted by: Epstein's mother at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (aKsyK)

605
"Do epstein"

ET penis

Posted by: ET bone home



Nice.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (UvpTf)

606 If I had to guess (I haven't read this anywhere), he hanged himself with his sheets. That seems to be the way they do it in prison, usually.

So once he was off suicide watch, they would have given him bed sheets again and not just a plastic mattress to sleep on.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:14 PM (GBteo)


At least they gave him something (meat hook) to attach his makeshift nose to.

Hopefully he took the time to rip his sheets into strip and weave a rope from those. Smoother action.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2019 06:22 PM (1g7ch)

607 Sadly, the big boat is gone. You're welcome to come on the fishing boat but it will be considerably smaller party.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (ZLI7S)

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Zodiac?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:22 PM (c2kQz)

608 Where do I sign up for the Eastern Carib MoMee?


Now you're talking ! Wait, who else is invited ??

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 06:22 PM (bUjCl)

609 Posted by: Epstein's mother at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (aKsyK)


Vicious


and awesome.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:22 PM (IVoO9)

610 #572 My best friend married his HS English teacher 10 years his senior. They were good pals from the gate. She lost him at his age 50 to Big C.

I miss Mark a lot and give him a nod occasionally.

Posted by: torabora to at August 10, 2019 06:22 PM (pq7i8)

611 Wait, wait..there's a Caribbean MoMe? When and where? >heading to the exercise bike as I type<

Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2019 06:23 PM (jm1YL)

612 "Dear Judge,
Please excuse Jeff from court today as he has committed suicide.
"
-Posted by: Epstein's mother at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (aKsyK)


*HAH!* ..."SweatHogs Flashback"

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at August 10, 2019 06:23 PM (Ckg4U)

613 Can his estate sell his frozen penis on Ebay?

Asking for a friend.....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 10, 2019 06:18 PM (Z+IKu)


Nic Cage got it already.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 10, 2019 06:23 PM (1g7ch)

614 >>Zodiac?

No, we built this one.

But I can get you a sweet deal on a Zodiac. What size can I put you down for?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:23 PM (ZLI7S)

615
Sadly, the big boat is gone. You're welcome to come on the fishing boat but it will be considerably smaller party.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (ZLI7S)

Only if the coasties catch us!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:23 PM (GBteo)

616 >>You confuse with with someone who cares Chuckles, they didn't think that the Former DA & NYC Mayor wouldn't know that Epstein was or wasn't suicide watch & didn't have sources, BUT thanks for Playing

Comprehend much?

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at August 10, 2019 06:24 PM (dmYb7)

617 >>Can his estate sell his frozen penis on Ebay?

Asking for a friend.....


Yes. But.

If you plan on paying via PayPal, it can only be shipped to the account registrars address.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:24 PM (IVoO9)

618 I want my brain downloaded into a computer so. i can still comment at the HQ

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2019 06:24 PM (l9mVC)

619 You know, it's a bit unfair. Did you know that as a lawyer, it's unethical to have sex with a client (unless the sexual relationship is pre existing), and you can get disbarred for it?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:18 PM (GBteo)


What if it's within the context of marriage?

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:24 PM (3Ame7)

620 Another death to Vince Foster's Disease.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 10, 2019 06:24 PM (VaN/j)

621 Until the late 20th century many states had provisions requiring that the teenage girl must be of previous "chaste character" in order for the sexual conduct to be considered criminal.

I remember a congressman got busted for banging a 16 year old prostitute. They charged him with "contributing to the delinquency of a minor". His defense was she'd already been working the streets for a couple years, so it's not like he was leading her away from the path of righteousness.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 10, 2019 06:24 PM (h2Bdk)

622
No, we built this one.

But I can get you a sweet deal on a Zodiac. What size can I put you down for?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:23 PM (ZLI7S)

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Boston Whaler > Zodiac

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:25 PM (c2kQz)

623 Please excuse Jeff from court today as he has committed suicide.
Posted by: Epstein's mother at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (aKsyK)

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LOL.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 10, 2019 06:25 PM (5aX2M)

624

Anyone think that Hillary looks a little like James Hodgkinson in that picture?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 10, 2019 06:25 PM (EIsza)

625 'I want my brain downloaded into a computer so. i can still comment at the HQ'

Make sure you get at least an 80386 CPU. 286 just can't keep up with Minx .07

Posted by: ET bone home at August 10, 2019 06:26 PM (Tnijr)

626 Only if the coasties catch us!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:23 PM (GBteo)


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FUN FACT: Sharing a life vest is permissible on Liberian-registered vessels.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:26 PM (c2kQz)

627 Do we get a Chess/ Dress thread if we hit All6?

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2019 06:26 PM (BbGew)

628 My big question is, why now? Not the suicide, but why was the protection Epstein had from powerful people for decades, suddenly withdrawn? Why in 2019 was a formerly untouchable guy made an example of?

Posted by: JuJuBee at August 10, 2019 06:26 PM (9taFn)

629 601 If you are that in love with your penis why would you choke it to death?

The prosecution rests.

Posted by: Hero heato at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (4/UWb)


Well... this is kind of embarrassing...

Posted by: David Carradine at August 10, 2019 06:26 PM (h2Bdk)

630 I volunteer Cicero's boat for the left coast aoshq boat party.


Oh - that's not how this works?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 10, 2019 06:27 PM (QDnY+)

631 Luckily, I have Fishing Chaps too!
******assless Chaps

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 06:27 PM (BqBId)

632 "If you live in a deep blue city pick a safe route to and from work. Keep a weeks worth of supplies set aside. "

I'm prepped. It STILL SUCKS! I am NOT eager for a hot civil war. Even if there's no war, civil society is BROKEN. It's all LIES and HATRED!

Elizabeth Warren, in the last 24 hours, said that
Michael Brown was murdered by a Ferguson police officer,
and that "systemic racism" was to blame.

That is a G*D-DAM*ED LIE! She KNOWS it!

These LIES are going to burn down America.

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 06:27 PM (mk9aG)

633 594 No chess thread tonight? Miss the dress pron.
Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2019 06:20 PM (jm1YL)


I decided to hold off posting the chess/dress thread until next week. The main reason is that Mrs. Muse and I be having out-of-town guests so putting a chess thread together will be one less thing I will have to worry about.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:27 PM (3Ame7)

634 599
"Do epstein"



ET penis

Posted by: ET bone home at August 10, 2019 06:21 PM (Tnijr)


Bioluminescent?

Posted by: Off the reservation at August 10, 2019 06:27 PM (vWMNq)

635 I wonder if we have enough honest people to have faked his death and move him.

Posted by: t-bird at August 10, 2019 06:28 PM (Xhp1L)

636 What if it's within the context of marriage?
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:24 PM (3Ame7)

Er... as long as you were banging her before she became your client, you're good.

But you're asking what happens if you marry her and THEN bang her while she's your client?

Sounds like a great MPRE question, I have no idea to be honest.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:28 PM (GBteo)

637 Jim McDougal was held in the Federal Medical Center prison in Fort Worth, Texas, a prison specifically designed to house inmates with potential health problems. FMC had doctors and medical teams on site 24/7/365.

Well, they did right up until two days before McDougal was to testify against the Clintons.

Then, for some odd reason, they yanked Jim McDougal's heart medication. Inmates in surrounding cells heard Jim repeatedly begging them to give him his pills. The guards refused.

When Jim eventually had his heart attack, it was discovered that absolutely no medical personnel were on staff. Yep, the "Medical Prison" had apparently accidentally sent all of their medical staff home for the day....

After Jim McDougal was good and dead, they called for an ambulance, and had his corpse transferred to John Peter Smith Hospital.

The Clinton Crime Family is very adept at having people whacked, even people who are supposedly in protective custody.

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 10, 2019 06:28 PM (VDbGO)

638 >>These LIES are going to burn down America.


It is August and there have been NO RIOTS.

This can not stand.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:28 PM (IVoO9)

639 I decided to hold off posting the chess/dress thread until next week. The main reason is that Mrs. Muse and I be having out-of-town guests so putting a chess thread together will be one less thing I will have to worry about.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:27 PM (3Ame7)


Fair enough.

Posted by: DR.WTF at August 10, 2019 06:28 PM (aS1PU)

640 I think you're all insensitive for not showing more compassion for Bill and Hillary in this, thier time of grieving.

Posted by: Living in Amash's District at August 10, 2019 06:28 PM (Xo3T0)

641 Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at August 10, 2019 06:24 PM (dmYb7)
*****
I WILL POST IN CAPS THIS TIME! I DON'T CARE

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 06:28 PM (BqBId)

642 Is there a single person, left or right, who believes the government's version of what happened? No, there isn't. Most banana republics aren't these brazenly corrupt.

Posted by: Cardin Drake at August 10, 2019 06:29 PM (6qP67)

643 >>Boston Whaler > Zodiac

Whalers used to be build right up the road from me when I lived in MA. In fact, the early ad of a guy in a Whaler that was sawed in half was taken right out in front of my old house. Now they make them in Florida.

Some of the new Zodiacs pretty sweet. A much more molded hull and the pontoons are much less prominent. Check out the N-ZOs.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:29 PM (ZLI7S)

644 Don't tell me no Movie Thread tonight then

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2019 06:29 PM (BbGew)

645 630 I volunteer Cicero's boat for the left coast aoshq boat party.

-------

Hah!

I'm commenting from my iPad in the cockpit of the stately SS Cicero berthed in the lovely Dana Point Marina!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:29 PM (c2kQz)

646 628 My big question is, why now? Not the suicide, but why was the protection Epstein had from powerful people for decades, suddenly withdrawn? Why in 2019 was a formerly untouchable guy made an example of?
Posted by: JuJuBee at August 10, 2019 06:26 PM (9taFn)


Either the cops got evidence they just couldn't ignore, or it was an effort to take down one of the powerful people involved. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was a fishing expedition hoping to snare Trump.

Posted by: David Carradine at August 10, 2019 06:29 PM (h2Bdk)

647 >>Boston Whaler > Zodiac

Whalers used to be build right up the road from me when I lived in MA. In fact, the early ad of a guy in a Whaler that was sawed in half was taken right out in front of my old house. Now they make them in Florida.

Some of the new Zodiacs pretty sweet. A much more molded hull and the pontoons are much less prominent. Check out the N-ZOs.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:29 PM (ZLI7S)


Zodiacs are very nice and very pricey.

Posted by: DR.WTF at August 10, 2019 06:30 PM (aS1PU)

648 Despair is a Sin, folks. ...please remember that and enjoy the rest of your day here at Ace of Spades!

-Keep your hands and arms within the vehicle at all times.

-Ace of Spades is not responsible for any valuables lost or stolen while on this ride.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at August 10, 2019 06:30 PM (Ckg4U)

649 I decided to hold off posting the chess/dress thread until next week. The main reason is that Mrs. Muse and I be having out-of-town guests so putting a chess thread together will be one less thing I will have to worry about.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:27 PM (3Ame7)
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I'm imagining and Eyes Wide Shut scenario at Castle OM.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 10, 2019 06:30 PM (kQs4Y)

650 ''I decided to hold off posting the chess/dress thread until next week. The main reason is that Mrs. Muse and I be having out-of-town guests so putting a chess thread together will be one less thing I will have to worry about.''

Have a wonderful time with your friends! We'll look forward to next week. Thanks for putting so much work into the Chess and Book threads. Probably don't thank you enough.

Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2019 06:31 PM (jm1YL)

651
Sexually abusing a 14 year old does not make them an adult, rather a damaged kid.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 06:31 PM (sy5kK)

652 I'm still waiting for all the results of all this "influence" they're claiming the Family has-- where's the legislation they pushed through?
What's the payoff?

See, that's the best part!

All this money they claim they're sloshing around, all this power and they got .... lobbying against gay marriage in Romania and Africa.

That's it. I'm serious.

That's the whole of their evil deeds--they lobbied and ... lost.

But they just skip right over how this "power" has not done anything at all, to basically how it's so wrong to have an opinion different from us (liberals)

Here we go! Orange Man Bad time!!

Oh yeah!! Did you think they're was any chance they weren't going to cap this shitshow otherwise?

This Jeff Sharlot guy is hilarious as he tries his best 60 Minutes ambush-and-edit.

Oh, and just try to find any critical articles on Google ....

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 10, 2019 06:31 PM (k81AA)

653 I'll believe we don't live in a banana republic when there is a pre-dawn raid by the FBI tomorrow morning on the guy who ordered Epstein taken off suicide watch, and all his emails and phone calls are confiscated. (And not lost)

Posted by: Cardin Drake at August 10, 2019 06:31 PM (6qP67)

654 I really want a nice 15-16' flats boat for Trout and Pike fishing the reservoirs up here.

Like a small bay / flats boat.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:31 PM (IVoO9)

655 That is a G*D-DAM*ED LIE! She KNOWS it!
These LIES are going to burn down America.
Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 06:27 PM (mk9aG)


I'm surprised that they're now suddenly pushing this lie again. It's been debunked again and again, and I thought it had finally been laid to rest. Guess I was wrong.

Just like the "fine people on both sides" misquote. They won't let that one go, either. Even after it's been explained to them multiple times. I guess they need it so bad for their hate-Trump narrative.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10, 2019 06:31 PM (3Ame7)

656 And Bandersnatch wasn't a carrot-adder.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 05:56 PM (oVJmc


Ahem.

I am the chronicler of BCochran's horrid carrot fetish. I am his Bosley.

The Offical Carrot Chili Portrait of the AoSHQ appears on the acknowledgements page of our hymnal, The Deplorable Gourmet.

http://bit.ly/2Tr1zbM

I drew the drawing about him. I have unimpeachable authority on this matter.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (fuK7c)

657
It is right off the coast of St Thomas. I've anchored off it before. Didn't get invited to the parties.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:13 PM (ZLI7S)


Could you hear the band?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (Hg4NE)

658 Why in 2019 was a formerly untouchable guy made an example of?

Posted by: JuJuBee at August 10, 2019 06:26 PM (9taFn)

They lost the election and with it some of the control they previously had.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (aRAMD)

659 I do like the inflatables with the center consoles. Those are tight.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (c2kQz)

660 >>Zodiacs are very nice and very pricey.

I'll make you a such a deal you'll feel like you stole it.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (ZLI7S)

661
I don't believe for a second David Carradine hanged himself -- either for pleasure or whatever.

I think Carradine was a semi-pedo who liked young girls and he got out of line and pissed off the guys at the brothel or whatever its called.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (UvpTf)

662 @650

Also, Gorilla Pundit. Slaps side of head. How could I have forgotten that?

Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (jm1YL)

663 Then, for some odd reason, they yanked Jim McDougal's heart medication. Inmates in surrounding cells heard Jim repeatedly begging them to give him his pills. The guards refused.

A relative of mine got busted on a bogus DV charge and spent the weekend in jail. They didn't give him his heart medication either. From what I understand, they just kind of assume you can go a few days without your pills. If you can't, well, beds are in short supply.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (h2Bdk)

664 >>Zodiacs are very nice and very pricey.

I'll make you a such a deal you'll feel like you stole it.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (ZLI7S)


Yeah, almost free.

Posted by: DR.WTF at August 10, 2019 06:33 PM (aS1PU)

665 "Bioluminescent?"

Betcha thought that was my finger huh?

Posted by: ET bone home at August 10, 2019 06:33 PM (Tnijr)

666 I decided to hold off posting the chess/dress thread until next week. The main reason is that Mrs. Muse and I be having out-of-town guests so putting a chess thread together will be one less thing I will have to worry about.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at August 10,

Whew 1

I suspected the timing of Epstein's death was due to his (or his killers) hatred of the Chess Thread and they would do anything to pre -empt it.

Posted by: JT at August 10, 2019 06:34 PM (arJlL)

667 "I'm surprised that they're now suddenly pushing this lie again." You can't even GET A JOB without some woke trainer teaching you that Michael Brown is a murder victim.

Democrat Party put BLM on their dam convention stage.

Progressive (former) friend told us last week he felt safer picking up blacks in the projects than picking up MAGA whites.

This guy's SON has been stuck up TWICE by black thugs!!!!

THAT is how EVIL their F*CKING LIES are! I have no more friends, and it SUCKS!

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 06:34 PM (mk9aG)

668 he wanted to cryogenically preserve his head and penis

In case becoming a transwoman didn't work out?

Posted by: Basement Cat at August 10, 2019 06:34 PM (pPNCa)

669 >>Yeah, almost free.

Exactly. The only problem is you will feel guilty for a while taking such advantage of me.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)

670 It this is all a clever reboot of The Assassination Bureau, I'm playing The Oliver Reed character, Ivan Dragomiroff.

Posted by: Miklos Miklosovich Dragomiroff at August 10, 2019 06:35 PM (QzkSJ)

671 Exactly. The only problem is you will feel guilty for a while taking such advantage of me.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)

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LOL

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:35 PM (c2kQz)

672 Sexually abusing a 14 year old does not make them an adult, rather a damaged kid.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 10, 2019 06:31 PM (sy5kK)
*********
THIS

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at August 10, 2019 06:35 PM (BqBId)

673 It's not Little Rock. It's Hot Springs. "Crooked as a barrel of snakes."

Posted by: JAS at August 10, 2019 06:35 PM (I5SAg)

674 Have fun Mr. & Mrs. Muse and guests !

Posted by: JT at August 10, 2019 06:36 PM (arJlL)

675 >>Yeah, almost free.

Exactly. The only problem is you will feel guilty for a while taking such advantage of me.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)


So, your real name is Mr. Haney.

Posted by: DR.WTF at August 10, 2019 06:36 PM (aS1PU)

676 Suggestion for tonite's movie: the 1935 version of Tale Of Two Cities, free on dailymotion.

THAT IS OUR NEAR FUTURE!

Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 06:36 PM (mk9aG)

677 ''I suspected the timing of Epstein's death was due to his (or his killers) hatred of the Chess Thread and they would do anything to pre -empt it.''

It is kind of interesting that Epstein decided to off himself on the same day OM decides not to post a Chess thread. Hmmm..coincidence? LOL

Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2019 06:36 PM (jm1YL)

678 Cicero - this has been the best summer in a few years, exactly like summer was almost every year back in the day of my yute. Good marine layer, low humidity, reasonable heat, always a breeze - only that brief stretch in July was less than perfect. Even water temps are good, and amazingly there's been decent surf [most don't know summer is typically worst surf conditions in soCal - basically flat].


I imagine the conditions and "scenery" at DP harbor are nice.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 10, 2019 06:36 PM (QDnY+)

679 oh, here we are : "BRIS 15.4 ft Inflatable Boat." Amazon. Under 2K.

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 06:37 PM (bUjCl)

680 654 I really want a nice 15-16' flats boat for Trout and Pike fishing the reservoirs up here. Like a small bay / flats boat.Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:31 PM (IVoO9)
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These are pricey--too pricey for me--but they're beautiful, extremely high quality hand made flats boats.

https://www.toweemarine.com/

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at August 10, 2019 06:37 PM (hjaPQ)

681 Maybe he hung himself with his penis.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 10, 2019 06:37 PM (oVJmc)

682 It was the best of times. It was the worst of times...

Posted by: JAS at August 10, 2019 06:37 PM (I5SAg)

683 What the hell is a semi-pedo?

Posted by: blue horseshoe at August 10, 2019 06:37 PM (QwmrN)

684 >>I really want a nice 15-16' flats boat for Trout and Pike fishing the reservoirs up here.

Like a small bay / flats boat.

Carolina Skiff.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at August 10, 2019 06:37 PM (dmYb7)

685 >>I really want a nice 15-16' flats boat for Trout and Pike fishing the reservoirs up here.


False Albacore are running around here. Gonna go try and snag a few on Monday.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:37 PM (ZLI7S)

686 Anyone in the market for a BRIS ?

Posted by: runner at August 10, 2019 06:37 PM (bUjCl)

687 I'll make you a such a deal you'll feel like you stole it.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:32 PM (ZLI7S)

Damn, what a deal! I guess I'll take two of 'em!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:38 PM (GBteo)

688 late, I know, but Juliet was 14.

Posted by: Madtom at August 10, 2019 06:38 PM (go+84)

689 There is enough out there about Epsteins habits and hobbies and peculiarities, including the fact that he wanted to cryogenically preserve his head and penis,
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Marvin Minsky wanted to freeze his head(s) too. With Minsky I guess it was life extension/transhumanism stuff.

With Epstein -- well, remember that scene in From Beyond?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 10, 2019 06:38 PM (kQs4Y)

690 Yes. Which is why a private island is so useful to
have. By the way, how far out to see is this island "paradise"? Is it
outside the 12 mile limit? If so he could have just declared himself a
nation state outside the jurisdiction of the United States. SeaLand all
over again.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 10, 2019 06:08 PM (QMwOT)

It is US territory. Subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at August 10, 2019 06:38 PM (Hn6S7)

691 >> he wanted to cryogenically preserve his head and penis

Makes sense. Big head and little head.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 06:38 PM (NMAzL)

692 Don't tell me no Movie Thread tonight then
Posted by: Skip

We can still talk about movies anyway, can't we ?

Posted by: JT at August 10, 2019 06:38 PM (arJlL)

693 What the hell is a semi-pedo? <<<<<
Someone who loves young trucks.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 10, 2019 06:38 PM (r+sAi)

694 I was a brig guard in Quantico in the early 80s, when we did suicide watches the prisoner was in his underwear sitting on a cement slab while a guard watched him from 5 feet away, this actually pisses me off

Posted by: Creek at August 10, 2019 06:39 PM (13BOh)

695 Vince Foster, Jim McDougal, Jeffrey Epstein and Ron Brown all walk into a bar....

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 10, 2019 06:39 PM (VDbGO)

696 ''It was the best of times. It was the worst of times...''

Never understood what Lucy saw in that French aristo. Sydney Was so much more interesting.

Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2019 06:39 PM (jm1YL)

697 >>These are pricey--too pricey for me--but they're beautiful, extremely high quality hand made flats boats.


That Rivermaster Calusa is exactly what I have in mind.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:39 PM (IVoO9)

698 With Epstein -- well, remember that scene in From Beyond?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 10, 2019 06:38 PM (kQs4Y)


Is From Beyond that pineal gland movie? If so, it is epicly weird.

Posted by: DR.WTF at August 10, 2019 06:39 PM (aS1PU)

699 >>Damn, what a deal! I guess I'll take two of 'em!

That's the spirit. You need a tender for your big Zodiac.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:40 PM (ZLI7S)

700 Someone should make a movie of all the folks who had dealings with the Clinton crime syndicate and ended up dead after a while. Showing how they went out would be a hootenanny.

Put Tarantino on it, he would then be next in line.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 10, 2019 06:40 PM (Z+IKu)

701 I imagine the conditions and "scenery" at DP harbor are nice.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 10, 2019 06:36 PM (QDnY+)

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Perfect

Young girls in bikinis going by on their paddle boards, sun, warm breeze, wine, bread, cheese, young girls in bikinis going by in their bikinis...

Almost makes living under the Newsom regime worth it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:40 PM (c2kQz)

702 >> he wanted to cryogenically preserve his head and penis


You can't go wrong thinking with Both heads.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2019 06:40 PM (IVoO9)

703 Is From Beyond that pineal gland movie? If so, it is epicly weird.
Posted by: DR.WTF at August 10, 2019 06:39 PM (aS1PU)
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It's a movie thread!

Yeah, that mad scientist's disembodied head pleasured an unwilling lady.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 10, 2019 06:41 PM (kQs4Y)

704 That's the spirit. You need a tender for your big Zodiac.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:40 PM (ZLI7S)

I hadn't considered that angle!

haha

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:41 PM (GBteo)

705 Been watching The Great Escape for the 73rd time

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2019 06:41 PM (BbGew)

706 694 I was a brig guard in Quantico in the early 80s, when we did suicide watches the prisoner was in his underwear sitting on a cement slab while a guard watched him from 5 feet away, this actually pisses me off
Posted by: Creek at August 10, 2019 06:39 PM (13BOh)


They might have done the same thing. He was off suicide watch when it happened.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 10, 2019 06:42 PM (h2Bdk)

707 Upthread OM stated he would probably skip the Chess/Dress thread but would post the Movie Thread.

Popcorn status
[ X ] popping
[ ] not popping

Posted by: Hands at August 10, 2019 06:42 PM (786Ro)

708 It is US territory. Subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared

British Virgin Islands.

Hip hip, what?

Posted by: Miklos McMonocle, certified Drone at August 10, 2019 06:42 PM (QzkSJ)

709 Le Nooooood.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 10, 2019 06:42 PM (kQs4Y)

710 My big question is, why now? Not the suicide, but why was the protection Epstein had from powerful people for decades, suddenly withdrawn? Why in 2019 was a formerly untouchable guy made an example of?
Posted by: JuJuBee at August 10, 2019 06:26 PM (9taFn)


That's an easy one. He got sloppy. Sloppy people don't get caught.


As close as we saw to all of them getting sloppy was 2015/16 with things like Joe tweeting out pics of his friendship bracelet with a pizza charm on it. Comet pizza and all the instagram accounts. Podestas.


Even then, most of that evidence and the snooping came about because of Wikileaks. We never would have known about the other stuff, or even where to look. They were 100% sure Hillary was in, and who knows where society would be by 2024.


Sounds like Epstein slipped his bonds once because of them. But, he didn't wise up, kept up his arrogant ways. They simply cannot have one of their own potentially bringing down a higher up.

Posted by: Clock Boy at August 10, 2019 06:42 PM (3b35n)

711 Nood

Posted by: Basement Cat at August 10, 2019 06:42 PM (pPNCa)

712 Yeah, that mad scientist's disembodied head pleasured an unwilling lady.

Ummmm.....How did the head get from point A to Point Pee-Pee ?

Posted by: JT at August 10, 2019 06:43 PM (arJlL)

713 Is From Beyond that pineal gland movie? If so, it is epicly weird.
Posted by: DR.WTF at August 10, 2019 06:39 PM (aS1PU)
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It's a movie thread!

Yeah, that mad scientist's disembodied head pleasured an unwilling lady.


I haven't seen if in eons, I've got to find it. My wife and I crack jokes from time to time by putting a knuckle on the forehead and wiggling a finger.

Posted by: DR.WTF at August 10, 2019 06:43 PM (aS1PU)

714
Another batshit thing I read about Epstein, which I don't know is really true, was that he he was into this "breeder kink" kind of shit. Get a bunch of teenaged girls as sex slaves and impregnate them all.

There was something about he thought his DNA was superior and wanted to breed with his superior genes.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 10, 2019 06:43 PM (NMAzL)

715 >>I hadn't considered that angle!

That's what I'm here for. To help you navigate the tricky shoals of multiple boat ownership.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:43 PM (ZLI7S)

716 Never understood what Lucy saw in that French aristo. Sydney Was so much more interesting.
Posted by: Tuna

Well la-di-da

Posted by: the Scarlett O'Hara Pimpernel at August 10, 2019 06:44 PM (QzkSJ)

717 628 My big question is, why now? Not the suicide, but why was the protection Epstein had from powerful people for decades, suddenly withdrawn? Why in 2019 was a formerly untouchable guy made an example of?

Posted by: JuJuBee at August 10, 2019 06:26 PM (9taFn)


Some commenter said it was PDTs DOJ.

JackStraw knows why and how it started up again.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 10, 2019 06:44 PM (Hg4NE)

718 That's what I'm here for. To help you navigate the tricky shoals of multiple boat ownership.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2019 06:43 PM (ZLI7S)

Currently I own zero boats.

But I have an announcement to make the horde at some point about a new job and relocating to a deep blue island a few hours away from my current locale, so I think "zero boats" is where I'll have to stay for a while.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 10, 2019 06:46 PM (GBteo)

719 I hadn't considered that angle!

That's what I'm here for. To help you navigate the tricky shoals of multiple boat ownership.

Careful.

You'll end up with that second hand Russian carrier the Indians can't get to work.

Posted by: Miklos Columbus, Admiral of the Ocean Sea at August 10, 2019 06:46 PM (QzkSJ)

720
That is a G*D-DAM*ED LIE! She KNOWS it!

These LIES are going to burn down America.
Posted by: gp at August 10, 2019 06:27 PM (mk9aG)
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And these people are setting the place on fire while still inside the building. Smart they are not.

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman at August 10, 2019 06:47 PM (WEBkv)

721 Good grief. This is becoming the Lefts me "Russia".

"Only Trump had the power to have Epstein killed. He wanted to hide his own pedo encounter."

Never mind ever person named is a Democrat.

But that's the game now, isn't it. Distract from the fact this is the Democrats albatross.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2019 06:47 PM (8ts9m)

722 Cicero, the state would be empty without the wonders you just listed - empty of intelligent life, anyway. Like one giant really awful, badly managed unfriendly tourist restaurant with a spectacular view.


Happy to report that the new crop of young female lifeguards at the university pool nearby where I swim laps approaches historic standards for that school, where the distaff student body has been a sea of hotness for decades. And no, I was just rinsing my goggles and cap at the outdoor shower, not leering at them as they all kneeled/bent over to loosen the lane-lines to change from 5O-meter long course [that was an epic scene]. Also wasn't looking at the hotties cultivating skin cancer in the shallow pool, or on the lounge chairs.


Honest.




Posted by: rhomboid at August 10, 2019 06:47 PM (QDnY+)

723 694 I was a brig guard in Quantico in the early 80s, when we did suicide watches the prisoner was in his underwear sitting on a cement slab while a guard watched him from 5 feet away, this actually pisses me off
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I worked in a mental hospital. When a patient was in restraints, his/her door was kept open and a staff person sat right outside watching at all times. Every 15 minutes we'd enter the room, check the patient, and ask if he/she needed water or the bathroom.

This shit ain't rocket science.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at August 10, 2019 06:49 PM (hjaPQ)

724 The conspiracy theory shouldn't be that Epstein was murdered. He had every reason to kill himself. The conspiracy is simply that he was allowed to attempt suicide and be successful.

The Clinton's aren't murderers, just lucky.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2019 06:49 PM (NFEMn)

725 Government should take over healthcare.

No. Really. Stop laughing.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2019 06:51 PM (8ts9m)

726 He led a horrible life, he ruined so many people's lives, and he came to a horrible end.

Not one person on earth is mourning his passing.

Posted by: JuJuBee at August 10, 2019 06:51 PM (9taFn)

727 Happy to report that the new crop of young female lifeguards at the university pool nearby where I swim laps approaches historic standards for that school, where the distaff student body has been a sea of hotness for decades

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Good to know there's a Moron staying on top of this important issue.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:51 PM (c2kQz)

728 Nobody wants an accountant with a face tattoo. Not even MS-13.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 10, 2019 06:52 PM (5aX2M)

729 The Clinton's aren't murderers
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2019 06:49 PM (NFEMn)

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Those are bold words from a one-eyed fat man.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 10, 2019 06:52 PM (c2kQz)

730 695 Vince Foster, Jim McDougal, Jeffrey Epstein and Ron Brown all walk into a bar....
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It's all a coincidence.

Posted by: Leroy Jethro Gibbs at August 10, 2019 06:54 PM (sy5kK)

731 700 "Someone should make a movie of all the folks who had dealings with the Clinton crime syndicate and ended up dead after a while. Showing how they went out would be a hootenanny."

A week long mini-series wouldn't cover them all.

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 10, 2019 06:56 PM (VDbGO)

732 I've been lurking this site for... about a decade and never made a post before because I only posted on other sites. But now the gloves have completely come off by the webmasters of the world.

Reddit's shadowbanning has evolved to have so many gradations and manifestations you have no idea what's really going on. But important truths can no longer pick up momentum there like they could in 2016.

Google has now shadowbanned me from 4chan. They own Recaptcha and so now 4chan and every other site that uses Recaptcha will not let me post. I get 5, 6, 7 puzzles in a row, and finally it says "please try again".

And 8ch is dead.

What do I desperately want to share?

The El Paso shooter's dad is a member of the John of God cult that enslaved mothers to produce children that were smuggled into the US, Europe, and Australia - the dad helped rent storage space for the cult in Texas according to HIMSELF in a video and he's still selling his book promoting the cult.

Dayton shooter's parents worked for a company whose CEO was just previously working for DynCorp, a CIA front that shared a aircraft tail number with Epstein and were caught trafficking children in the past. Mom then got her new job with Bath and Body Works - owned by Les Wexler, the closest business partner of Epstein and the guy Epstein gave $47 million just before getting convicted the first (and now only) time.

This information is honestly not hard to find, especially that the El Paso dad was brainwashed by this cult and trained to use their technique on others. It's right there in chapter 5 of the free preview of this guy's book on Amazon. He's still promoting this book on his public business website. And yet the media are trying to fire up a race war and talking about 8/8 = Heil Hitler.

I'm sorry that I haven't organized the research that well, and that it's formatted for Reddit, not pastebin, and that there are more of my findings scattered around Reddit that apparently no one can see but anyway...

Here's the info on El Paso:

https://pastebin.com/fwSHAPZH

Here's the info on Dayton:

https://pastebin.com/AS9KvkMY

I personally know what it's liked to be raped by someone and then open the New York Times to see a full color picture of her smiling face above a glowing hagiography announcing that she won an election. I was a lefty before that.

I don't make any money spending hours and hours and hours trying to research and expose political rape conspiracies. I do it because I often can't sleep at night knowing how such big things can still be covered up. I do it because I can't stop sometimes, even when I think I should take a break.

I'm surrounded by books and a myth about a free press and all of the most important things I wish I could publish and share have been successfully suppressed.

And in the last week, the gloves have totally come off, as you probably know. Twitter, Reddit, Google, CloudFlare, and probably many more are acting like cornered beasts. The FBI is now applying the terrorist label to citizens like me who uncover TRUE information about conspiracies, even though I feel like I'm trying to *prevent* mass violence being provoked by propaganda, even though I've never touched a gun, even though I know the powers arrayed against me are far too well equipped for me to defeat them with violence.

Every post is a prayer now. I pray for justice and peace.

Posted by: DaoDeDickinson at August 10, 2019 07:00 PM (uLy0I)

733 John Ward has an interesting take on YouTube.

Posted by: Regular joe at August 10, 2019 07:00 PM (6/uwW)

734 So- who has possession of the pictures and videos that were seized at Epstein's apartment? Who catalogued them into evidence?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2019 07:06 PM (8ts9m)

735 Irony. They wouldn't let Epstein out on bond because they believed he was a flight risk.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2019 07:08 PM (8ts9m)

736 726 He led a horrible life, he ruined so many people's lives, and he came to a horrible end.

Not one person on earth is mourning his passing.

Posted by: JuJuBee at August 10, 2019 06:51 PM (9taFn)


I'm pretty sure there are a few prosecutors mourning his passing. Epstein's arrest was never about Epstein.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 10, 2019 07:09 PM (h2Bdk)

737 735
Irony. They wouldn't let Epstein out on bond because they believed he was a flight risk.


That's what they *said*.

Posted by: Off the reservation at August 10, 2019 07:11 PM (vWMNq)

738 Clintons

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 10, 2019 07:12 PM (kly57)

739 So- who has possession of the pictures and videos that were seized at Epstein's apartment? Who catalogued them into evidence?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 10, 2019 07:06 PM (8ts9m)

FBI carried out the raid and it seems to have been supervised by the U.S. Attorney's Manhatten Office, so I would assume one of them would have the evidence.

Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 07:13 PM (aRAMD)

740 I'm surprised that they're now suddenly pushing this lie again. It's been debunked again and again, and I thought it had finally been laid to rest. Guess I was wrong.
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Left/Prog/Libs/Dems are people completely bereft of things like character, integrity, morality, honesty. They lie, cheat, and misrepresent without any compunction whatsoever.

It used to be that the sundry media would point such things out, and the public shaming would drive them off of the stage. But now, both the media and a significant portion of the population are on board with 'everything is political', and they willingly act as the water carriers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 10, 2019 07:14 PM (CDGwz)

741 How do you hang yourself with wet toilet paper? Oh well.....

Posted by: Nick Danger at August 10, 2019 07:15 PM (9MQsq)

742 Vince Foster, Jim McDougal, Jeffrey Epstein and Ron Brown all walk into a bar....
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It's all a coincidence.
Posted by: Leroy Jethro Gibbs
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I ain't going in that bar.

Posted by: Loretta Lynch at August 10, 2019 07:17 PM (CDGwz)

743 Aren't the Clintons the luckiest people? Anyone who could embarrass them or incriminate them conveniently ends up dead.

And if it was the Russians they still seem to be very grateful for the Uranium One sale.

Posted by: Decaf at August 10, 2019 07:23 PM (kGBB1)

744 Flight risk: Flying off a tall building...

Posted by: klaftern at August 10, 2019 07:24 PM (RuIsu)

745 "I ain't going in that bar.
Posted by: Loretta Lynch at August 10, 2019 07:17 PM (CDGwz)"

Donna Brazil's: I've been on the wagon for a while so no bars for me.

Posted by: Decaf at August 10, 2019 07:24 PM (kGBB1)

746 Good thing it was hot today. I don't have to feel guilty about staying indoors and following these threads.

Unfortunately, the book I had planned to read got sidelined. Maybe tonight.

Anyway, some questions (some of these have been raised already):

1) What was the age range of the girls?

2) Did they live on the island?

3) With time, little girls become big girls. What happened to them when they aged out? (This is gruesome, but I would search the island for graves.)

4) Yeah, how would they know who their "dates" were?

The estate angle is also interesting. Wonder whether he left a will. Probably everything will go to Planned Parenthood or a niece or nephew. Would you want to accept that money, knowing how it was made?

Frankly, I buy the suicide theory, especially after I read the details of the earlier attack. I think he realized that his life was going to be a continuous string of days, interrupted with bouts of painful violence. He decided to avoid that. When the guards were pulled off duty, he saw his opportunity.

That said, the witness security theory is fun to contemplate. Imagine Slick Willie's face when the hoax is revealed and Epstein resurfaces!

Posted by: Weak Geek at August 10, 2019 07:39 PM (f8GIF)

747
Truth Hurts Huh?
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit

=====

Uh, dipshit? You're the one who said Rudy KNOWS that suicide watch was ON.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 10, 2019 07:47 PM (13CQC)

748 Posted by: Sharrukin2 at August 10, 2019 07:13 PM (aRAMD

Sadly, the dumpster where all that evidence was placed for safe keeping, has unfortunately caught fire and is burning uncontrollably.
The good news is that all the law enforcement officials involved will go home safe tonight!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at August 10, 2019 07:50 PM (BiNEL)

749 Posted by: rhomboid at August 10, 2019 06:47 PM (QDnY+)

Your restraint and discipline continue to amaze me!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at August 10, 2019 07:54 PM (BiNEL)

750 140 "At some point a structure simply has to be condemned and razed."

Or nuked from orbit... its the only way to be sure. Hope Trump figures that out pretty quick.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 10, 2019 07:55 PM (ySYar)

751 Well, at least he had the sense to kill himself on a Saturday morning when the news cycle is down.

That was very considerate.

Posted by: The Clintons at August 10, 2019 07:57 PM (gAXBD)

752 Maybe it was auto-erotic asphyxiation.

Like David Catarina.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 10, 2019 07:59 PM (gAXBD)

753 Caradine

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 10, 2019 08:00 PM (gAXBD)

754 It will be ruled as a suicide. The end.

Posted by: Sooner at August 10, 2019 08:02 PM (Fs5vw)

755 Damn, girl, that's some story. Not many people can say their first post was like yours.
Post more often.
Hope you can sleep tonight. Take care.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at August 10, 2019 08:08 PM (Jj+59)

756 God Sasse is a fucking dickhole

Posted by: Ree at August 10, 2019 08:31 PM (mbNmF)

757 Sooo...the FBI is going to buy another Steele dossier to present to Barr & the IG. Won't be long till this begins to look suspicious.

Posted by: Robert17 at August 10, 2019 08:52 PM (b/Z3M)

758 I saw Spetznaz Pee-Pee Whores open for Arkancide at the Ace Fyreskull Festival in 2019!

Posted by: Joe Blow at August 10, 2019 09:11 PM (LLUXC)

759 @Asscheeks of Saturn

If you mean me, thanks for the hope. I'm not a girl, though. Unlike some people, I know I wouldn't make a very good one so I won't inflict that on myself or others.

Posted by: DaoDeDickinson at August 10, 2019 09:31 PM (uLy0I)

760 Hi DaoDe.

Thanks for the dig.

nice to meet you!

Posted by: booknlass at August 10, 2019 09:39 PM (xIKXj)

761 @booknlass
hi
I wanted to spend all day organizing my books but then I saw the Epstein news. So I've only got a few hours in and I'll still have a mess by the end of the night.

Posted by: DaoDeDickinson at August 10, 2019 10:37 PM (uLy0I)

762 Web Hubbell went to prison, he knew too much besides being Chelseas real Daddy, conviction: DEATH. Epstein knew too much,same results.
If you can't figure it out this obvious, return to kindergarten.

Posted by: ron n. at August 11, 2019 04:49 AM (om5HK)

763 Anyone who actually believes this was suicide has the IQ of a popsicle stick. Epstein was going to make a deal....he was going to sing and in return he'd get only 5 years at Club Fed. The
.Gov wanted him to testify against a lot of people....people who had the means, motivation and resources to have him killed. And that is exactly what happened.

Posted by: Dan at August 11, 2019 07:30 AM (QIZxi)

764 Is this like #87 or #88 of people dying in suspicious ways connected to the Clintons?
One wonders.

Posted by: Robert C Kincannon at August 11, 2019 08:05 AM (oEhuA)

765 IF someone didn't kill him, or have him killed he was allowed the means to kill himself with that hope in mind.As it is 99.99% of everyone who knew about the case knows he was either killed or allowed to die.We all thought the same thing when he was arrested, "This guy is gonna die before trial."

Posted by: obsidian at August 11, 2019 11:44 AM (7+yqP)

766 "He tried to kill himself three weeks ago."

Who verified that was a suicide attempt and not something more sinister?

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at August 11, 2019 10:48 PM (iOKfQ)

767 I agree with Sam Adams at #506:

Is AG Barr going to direct our tenacious and capable FBI to investigate how it came about that Whitey Bulger was transferred to a different prison (ummm, who ordered that? and why?) where he was "coincidentally" murdered within hours of his arrival?

'Cuz if Barr is demanding answers on Epstein, he should be demanding similar answers on Bulger -- right?

Egregious is egregious no matter WHO the victim is.

Posted by: Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah at August 12, 2019 04:48 AM (kWB4a)

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