Support




Contact
Ace:
aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com
CBD:
cbd.aoshq at gee mail.com
Buck:
buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com
joe mannix:
mannix2024 at proton.me
MisHum:
petmorons at gee mail.com
Powered by
Movable Type





Shock: The FBI Used Another "Dossier" It Did Not Verify and In Fact Was Specifically Warned Might be Fake, to Start an Investigation into Paul Manafort

Remember, it was critical to Hillary Clinton that the FBI have active investigations opened into the Trump campaign, because she had a high profile investigation into her own actions, and she desperately needed to be able to play the They Do It Too Card.

Our shining knights of fidelity, bravery, and integrity were all too eager to provide her with just that card.

The second document, known as the "black cash ledger," remarkably has escaped the [scrutiny the "Steele" "dossier" got, after-the-fact], even though its emergence in Ukraine in the summer of 2016 forced Paul Manafort to resign as Trump's campaign chairman and eventually face U.S. indictment.

In search warrant affidavits, the FBI portrayed the ledger as one reason it resurrected a criminal case against Manafort that was dropped in 2014 and needed search warrants in 2017 for bank records to prove he worked for the Russian-backed Party of Regions in Ukraine.

There's just one problem: The FBI's public reliance on the ledger came months after the feds were warned repeatedly that the document couldn’t be trusted and likely was a fake, according to documents and more than a dozen interviews with knowledgeable sources.

For example, Ukraine’' top anticorruption prosecutor, Nazar Kholodnytsky, told me he warned the U.S. State Department’s law enforcement liaison and multiple FBI agents in late summer 2016 that Ukrainian authorities who recovered the ledger believed it likely was a fraud.

"It was not to be considered a document of Manafort. It was not authenticated. And at that time it should not be used in any way to bring accusations against anybody," Kholodnytsky said, recalling what he told FBI agents.

Likewise, Manafort’s Ukrainian business partner Konstantin Kilimnik, a regular informer for the State Department, told the U.S. government almost immediately after The New York Times wrote about the ledger in August 2016 that the document probably was fake.

Manafort "could not have possibly taken large amounts of cash across three borders. It was always a different arrangement -- payments were in wire transfers to his companies, which is not a violation," Kilimnik wrote in an email to a senior U.S. official on Aug. 22, 2016.

He added: "I have some questions about this black cash stuff, because those published records do not make sense. The timeframe doesn’t match anything related to payments made to Manafort. ...It does not match my records. All fees Manafort got were wires, not cash."

Special counsel Robert Mueller's team and the FBI were given copies of Kilimnik's warning, according to three sources familiar with the documents.

Now, you really should real the whole thing, but this is incredible:

It's illegal to submit, as part of an official record, evidence to a judge -- for example, in seeking a warrant against Paul Manafort-- which the person submitting knows to be fraudulent, or which may be fraudulent.

It can result in an actual criminal charge being filed.

So, what did Mueller and Weismann do?

They could not submit the "black cash ledger" as evidence in seeking probable cause warrants against Manafort -- that could expose their own corrupt asses to federal charges.

But they were determined to jam it in there anyway.

So they submitted media reports as evidence supporting the warrant, based on leaks about the likely fraudulent ledger, as part of their application.

They effectively submitted the contents of the "ledger," without submitting the ledger itself -- in order to avoid having to tell the judge, straight up, that they'd been warned by several informed sources that the thing was a forgery and a sham.

Bring charges against them anyway. This is a transparent dodge and still constitutes submitting fraudulent "evidence" to a tribunal.

Coming soon from David French, Jonah Goldberg, and "Popehat:"

The Conservative Case for Perpetrating Serial Frauds on Federal Courts

A question worth probing: Did someone on Mueller's own team leak the contents of the sham "ledger" to the media precisely so he could get a story written up and cite that -- which was an intentional product of his own illegal leaking -- as evidence rather than having to cite the phony ledger itself?

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 04:27 PM




Comments

(Jump to bottom of comments)

1 Here's my shocked face.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:28 PM (gC2IV)

2 I'm starting to think laws don't apply to cops

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:28 PM (bcbK8)

3 Damn, and Duke got the first 'shocked face' ref

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:29 PM (bcbK8)

4 Corgis called.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:29 PM (gC2IV)

5 Disband the FBI.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 20, 2019 04:29 PM (wCmLp)

6 the media leaks in question, of course, seemed to come directly from Weissmann

Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Demofascists are certifiable at June 20, 2019 04:29 PM (LISuA)

7 Wow..they could make a movie of all these shenanigans.

Posted by: IC at June 20, 2019 04:30 PM (a0IVu)

8 Indict. Convict. Che Guevara-ize.

Pour encourager les autres.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Demofascists are certifiable at June 20, 2019 04:30 PM (LISuA)

9 'Show me the man, I'll show you the crime.'
-Some other communist, only russian.

Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2019 04:30 PM (qBNEP)

10 It is hard to even conceive how corrupt we've allowed "our" government to become!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:30 PM (AZxMX)

11 *cynicism intensifies*

Seriously, each time something more ghastly and horrendous comes out, it just makes me more cynical and jaded. Its just one more thing on the list of injustices which will never, ever be dealt with in this world.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 04:31 PM (39g3+)

12 This is the song that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friends
Somebody started singing it
Not knowing what it was...

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Hate-Filled Lion of the Right at June 20, 2019 04:31 PM (xPJvm)

13 DROP THE BOMB
EXTERMINATE THEM ALL

Posted by: Col Kurtz at June 20, 2019 04:31 PM (LL1Be)

14 No one's getting charged, it's the Bureaucratic Way.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 20, 2019 04:31 PM (4e+hS)

15 >>>Disband the FBI.

What?! And waste all that great extra training Chis Wray ordered up after the Horowitz report?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Demofascists are certifiable at June 20, 2019 04:31 PM (LISuA)

16 Seems that everything on Manaforte is fruit of the poisoned tree. He should be freed and given tons of money from the proper parties.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 20, 2019 04:32 PM (/Fmtj)

17 I'm not a lawyer, but if they used this as the basis to open an investigation, wouldn't everything they discovered be fruit of the poisonous tree?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:32 PM (gC2IV)

18 we3isman is vile pos

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 20, 2019 04:32 PM (V+Su2)

19 The Conservative Case For Falsifying Evidence For The Greater Good!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:32 PM (AZxMX)

20 How about just starting with 1 miscreant, anyone, but just start with one.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 04:32 PM (BbGew)

21 Seriously, someone with mad Photoshop skills needs to 'shop James Comey as Pontius Pilate, washing his hands of this mess...

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 04:33 PM (LL1Be)

22 Lot of similarities in these ops against Trump. Same "journalists" used to peddle disinformation, etc.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 04:33 PM (t6MX/)

23 Gah! Charge them all already!!!



*I know, this takes time, they need to make it ironclad blah blah blah.



I hate that they still rest comfortably at home when they've been so gratuitous with the early a.m. SWAT raids on their targets for things like FARA violations.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 20, 2019 04:33 PM (bDqIh)

24 And here we were wondering if Flynn's new legal team was doing anything.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Demofascists are certifiable at June 20, 2019 04:33 PM (LISuA)

25
"Our shining knights of
fidelity,
bravery, and
integrity"

=====

I see what you did there.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2019 04:33 PM (M9ntN)

26 Damn, those poisonous tree fruit harvesters are awesome ain't they?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 20, 2019 04:33 PM (37IEG)

27 Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:32 PM (gC2IV)

The "poison tree" defense only works for Democrats.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:33 PM (AZxMX)

28 Not seeing the problem.

Posted by: Typical Left/Prog/Liberal/Dem at June 20, 2019 04:34 PM (/dN1M)

29 When the fucking Ukrainians are more on the level than you...

Posted by: Vanya at June 20, 2019 04:34 PM (R7nPl)

30 If Republicans were doing this to Democrats it would be the worst scandal in history. But now, crickets.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at June 20, 2019 04:34 PM (RD7QR)

31 This too, is the story of Obama...

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 04:34 PM (LL1Be)

32 >>This too, is the story of Obama...


He's not back on US soil yet, is he?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 20, 2019 04:35 PM (bDqIh)

33 I am always stumped that these people who warn the FBI / authorities do not document it in someway so that when shit like this happens you can say 'see , here is proof of my warning ....'

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 20, 2019 04:35 PM (e46OR)

34 I'm not a lawyer, but if they used this as the basis to open an investigation, wouldn't everything they discovered be fruit of the poisonous tree?
Posted by: Duke Lowell
----------

Trust me, it will be fine.

Posted by: The Serpant at June 20, 2019 04:35 PM (2kj6M)

35 "show me the Trump man, and I'll fabricate ten crimes" ...


the Mueller new improved Stalinist tactic.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 20, 2019 04:36 PM (Cus5s)

36 The Serpant

Hunter Biden got loose again?

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 20, 2019 04:36 PM (ykYG2)

37 Reason for sending Manafort to Rikers, aka Whitey Bulger technique? And, is this also the reason Barr's Deputy, Rosen, stopped it?

Posted by: Ever at June 20, 2019 04:36 PM (ZZDMQ)

38 OF COURSE WE DID!

I mean its right there in the Fking title isn't it?

A HIGHER LOYALTY

Posted by: James Comey at June 20, 2019 04:36 PM (szVCU)

39 My latest: "It is the moral duty of all Christians to believe the charges levied by the teenage girls of Salem against the Daughters of Satan."

Posted by: Time Traveling David French in 1692 at June 20, 2019 04:36 PM (datdl)

40 Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2019 04:30 PM (qBNEP)

I need to go back and study that SC ruling on double jeopardy , but it sure seemed to formalize the Beria concept into US law!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (AZxMX)

41 Fecklessness. Betrayal. Incompetence.

Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (kyz/M)

42 The Conservative Case for Lavrentiy Beria.

Posted by: Bullwork at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (t6MX/)

43 And indictments are just around the corner. So much so that McCabe feels comfortable enough to call for Trump's impeachment.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (e46OR)

44 >>>4 I'm not a lawyer, but if they used this as the basis to open an investigation, wouldn't everything they discovered be fruit of the poisonous tree?

almost certainly not. The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine has been much pruned back, so to speak, over the years, and they only used the ledger for PART of their case. They would argue, and a judge would probably agree (as judges do not like tossing cases, especially ones that go after The Right People) that the warrant would have been obtained with or without this ledger forgery so it was, at most, a harmless error.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (PbpT7)

45 So.. could all evidence obtained after that be thrown out on appeal?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (so+oy)

46 >>Reason for sending Manafort to Rikers, aka Whitey Bulger technique? And, is this also the reason Barr's Deputy, Rosen, stopped it?


Yeah, that Riker's move was sketchy AF.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (bDqIh)

47 If Barr doesn't deal with this, someone will.

Posted by: trev006 at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (AKKkq)

48 This just keeps getting better and better.

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (35Slc)

49 "error," I should have said.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 04:38 PM (PbpT7)

50 Its just one more thing on the list of injustices which will never, ever be dealt with in this world.

It does sometimes feel like humanity is little more than Iblis' farm team.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 20, 2019 04:38 PM (ykYG2)

51
How about just starting with 1 miscreant, anyone, but just start with one.
Posted by: Skip

=====

They must have enough on some one to charge TODAY. What are they waiting for?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2019 04:38 PM (M9ntN)

52 I am error?

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at June 20, 2019 04:38 PM (icI8A)

53 Imagine watching an episode of Eliot Ness, Crime Fighter and thinking that applies to these faggots.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 20, 2019 04:38 PM (4ErVI)

54 It's not just a sham way to avoid having to rely on what they knew was faked evidence, it's a thinly-disguised fraudulent way to avoid having to admit it to the court.

This fraud should mean disbarment for everyone who knew of it, beforehand or after. Line them up and nail them to the wall.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Demofascists are certifiable at June 20, 2019 04:38 PM (LISuA)

55 If Republicans were doing this to Democrats it would be the worst scandal in history. But now, crickets.
Posted by: joncelli
------

If Trump's son was flying around with him making mega$ deals with the Chinks and corrupt Ukrainians the media would be exploding, full time, non stop.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 04:39 PM (2kj6M)

56 "17 I'm not a lawyer, but if they used this as the basis to open an
investigation, wouldn't everything they discovered be fruit of the
poisonous tree?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:32 PM (gC2IV)"
..
The relevant point likely isn't that you're not a lawyer. It's that you're not leading a column of tanks.
The law means fuckall.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at June 20, 2019 04:39 PM (eAshZ)

57

Glad you covered this.

Read all of Solomon's work. He's a real journalist.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 20, 2019 04:39 PM (vEIlU)

58 "If there's one thing I know, it's never to mess with mother nature, mother in-laws and, mother fucking Ukrainians."

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 20, 2019 04:39 PM (myjNJ)

59 there needs to be RICO induced lockdown of all assets from the top 20 Obama officials until we get a handle on this

And let Manafort live off the money while they are investigated

Posted by: DanMan at June 20, 2019 04:39 PM (XTiHL)

60 Look, I'm just trying to explain. Its like this, my loyalty to the constitution is true, its just, um, conditional.

See, there's a higher loyalty to the things I want to happen for my career and family and political interests, because ultimately those things are what is best for the Country anyway. So yeah. That's it.

Posted by: James Comey at June 20, 2019 04:39 PM (r0eYw)

61 44
>>>4 I'm not a lawyer, but if they used this as the basis to
open an investigation, wouldn't everything they discovered be fruit of
the poisonous tree?



almost certainly not. The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine has
been much pruned back, so to speak, over the years, and they only used
the ledger for PART of their case. They would argue, and a judge would
probably agree (as judges do not like tossing cases, especially ones
that go after The Right People) that the warrant would have been
obtained with or without this ledger forgery so it was, at most, a
harmless error.





Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 04:37 PM (PbpT7)

The Conservative Case for Parallel Construction.

Posted by: Bullwork at June 20, 2019 04:40 PM (t6MX/)

62

HP Robocop should be used to replace the entire FBI.

With extreme prejudice.

Using rum, sodomy and the lash.

Posted by: General Specific at June 20, 2019 04:40 PM (UFLLM)

63 chickens coming home to roost...and poop all over everything.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 20, 2019 04:40 PM (JUOKG)

64 Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 04:31 PM (39g3+)
--------
Well the kid with the rich parents went to prison yesterday, so there! or some shit...I dunno

Posted by: jhawk90 at June 20, 2019 04:40 PM (Xvo1a)

65 They must have enough on some one to charge TODAY. What are they waiting for?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2019 04:38 PM (M9ntN)


The Statute of Limitations time out!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:40 PM (AZxMX)

66 could all evidence obtained after that be thrown out on appeal?

"No appeals possible"
--Hawaiian Judge #23415

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 04:40 PM (39g3+)

67 These days, can we call anything "fake"?

Those are still real testicles on those identified female track runners.

So is either dossier truly "fake"?


Or just misunderstood?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 04:40 PM (sy5kK)

68 Another case of blind Justice.

Bitch don't see shit.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 20, 2019 04:40 PM (cqNba)

69 Information laundering, and so transparent:

1) Get Oppo information that is made up, wildly inaccurate, etc.
2) Leak the information to the press (anonymously of course)
3) Wait for the press to report it
4) "Verify" the information by using press reports as corroboration
5) Go raise your right hand, swear to the veracity of the information, get a warrant

It's even better if both Agency A and Agency B get access to the same or very similar information, then only Agency A leaks it. Agency B will then credulously accept the laundered "verification" without *also* having done the leaking. Even better, they needn't even coordinate - the person who creates the information can just shotgun it to all agencies using back-channels and let the machine work.

The only things required to make such a scheme work are:
* Credulity and a healthy dose of bias confirmation
* Loose inter-agency alignment on who the enemies are
* Corrupt and dishonest officials
* Judges who trust the institutions bringing them warrant requests.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 04:41 PM (I2dne)

70 once is an error , twice is a pattern, three times is a crime


The DNC's lawyer provided the Crowdstrike reports to the Govt. He said the redacted parts weren't relevant to the investigation.

The FBI never looked into it.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 04:41 PM (LL1Be)

71 Question: Did someone on Mueller's own team leak the contents of the sham "ledger" to the media precisely so he could get a story written up and cite that -- which was an intentional product of his own illegal leaking -- as evidence rather than having to cite the phony ledger itself?

Do you even have to ask?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 20, 2019 04:41 PM (vEIlU)

72

Manafort should walk because of this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 20, 2019 04:42 PM (vEIlU)

73 Imagine watching an episode of Eliot Ness, Crime Fighter and thinking that applies to these faggots.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
------

When I was a kid, we all wanted to grow up to be Melvin Purvis, Eliot Ness, and etc.

It was probably a cereal company that had the 'Junior G-Men' club. I still have my little badge around here somewhere.

What thinking parent would want their child to grow up to be a Comey, Strozk, et al?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 04:42 PM (2qPhT)

74 >>>Do you even have to ask?


the guy who proposed this question said, "This does seem to be a pattern with these guys."

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 04:42 PM (PbpT7)

75

Solomon should be getting awards. Day after day.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 20, 2019 04:42 PM (vEIlU)

76
I am always stumped that these people who warn the FBI / authorities do not document it in someway so that when shit like this happens you can say 'see , here is proof of my warning ....'
Posted by: Can't resist temptation

=====

I bet the principals aren't documenting their own actions. Lessers and laterals are, for their own plausible deniability.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2019 04:42 PM (M9ntN)

77 I'm not a lawyer, but if they used this as the basis to open an investigation, wouldn't everything they discovered be fruit of the poisonous tree?

almost certainly not. The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine has been much pruned back, so to speak, over the years, and they only used the ledger for PART of their case. They would argue, and a judge would probably agree (as judges do not like tossing cases, especially ones that go after The Right People) that the warrant would have been obtained with or without this ledger forgery so it was, at most, a harmless error.
========
Well the supreme court might have an interesting opinion should it come to that . . .

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at June 20, 2019 04:42 PM (3PMqH)

78 You know what could help the FBI? A few of those Robocops.

Posted by: wth at June 20, 2019 04:42 PM (v0R5T)

79 Solomon should be getting awards. Day after day.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 20, 2019 04:42 PM (vEIlU)
++++++++
They oughta rename the Pulitzer after him.

But they won't. They won't even give him one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 04:43 PM (I2dne)

80 Bbbut Mueller is in the Marine Green Beret Ranger Special Forces Batalion hall of fame!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:43 PM (gC2IV)

81 OT - maybe too early..

But I was flabbergasted last night when ABC evening news had a piece on Hunter Biden and his overseas dealings and it questioned whether Joe Biden was influence peddling, which of course he was and sonny boy made millions.

It suggested to me that some powers that be have released the Kraken, so to speak, and want to take Joe out by any means necessary.

ABC would have never done this story without someone or some group want Joe out of the race very badly.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 20, 2019 04:43 PM (so+oy)

82
If only we had a supreme authority responsible for oversight of the FISA court.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 20, 2019 04:43 PM (TAmPV)

83 Question: Did someone on Mueller's own team leak the contents of the sham "ledger" to the media precisely so he could get a story written up and cite that -- which was an intentional product of his own illegal leaking -- as evidence rather than having to cite the phony ledger itself?

Do you even have to ask?
==========
This is how we roll, right Bob?

Posted by: James Comey at June 20, 2019 04:43 PM (sYwhE)

84 The FBI is too big to fail.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (sy5kK)

85
I'm starting to think laws don't apply to cops


Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:28 PM

---

They never have, so why should this be different? SCOTUS has ruled time and again that the police have no obligation to be truthful with your when they are investigating/interrogating you.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (JUOKG)

86 The media does not investigate, they do not report, they are completely uncurious. So how could there be media reports unless someone said, "here, print this..."

Posted by: Russkilitlover at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (99Nt9)

87 If only we had a supreme authority responsible for oversight of the no FISA court.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 20, 2019 04:43 PM (TAmPV)
+++++++++++++
FIFY.

FISA should be repealed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (I2dne)

88 Well the supreme court might have an interesting opinion should it come to that . . .
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost

.............\

Especially considering Manafort had already gone through an investigation of this stuff years ago..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (so+oy)

89 How come all this incredibly sleazy stuff by the FBI and others involved keeps coming to light, yet I see noone behind bars? Or even close to being kinda close to seeing the inside of a jail cell? The wheels of justice turn slowly, but lord have mercy...somebody get charged!

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (JoUsr)

90 Question: Did someone on Mueller's own team leak the contents of the sham "ledger" to the media precisely so he could get a story written up and cite that -- which was an intentional product of his own illegal leaking -- as evidence rather than having to cite the phony ledger itself?

Do you even have to ask?
==========
This is how we roll, right Bob?
=========
Well you stick with what works.

Posted by: Robert Mueller at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (sYwhE)

91 The only cop show worth watching is Bradshaw, District Attorney.

And it'll just have good people doing groovy things against Nazis and fifth columnists...

And no Jewish writers either!

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (icI8A)

92 Question: Did someone on Mueller's own team leak the contents of the sham "ledger" to the media precisely so he could get a story written up and cite that -- which was an intentional product of his own illegal leaking -- as evidence rather than having to cite the phony ledger itself?



but of course

Posted by: Grey Poupon at June 20, 2019 04:45 PM (nFwvY)

93 Hello. This is not the dossier you are looking for. Move along. Move along.

Posted by: HP RoboFBI at June 20, 2019 04:45 PM (6eEQ+)

94 81 OT - maybe too early..

But I was flabbergasted last night when ABC evening news had a piece on Hunter Biden and his overseas dealings and it questioned whether Joe Biden was influence peddling, which of course he was and sonny boy made millions.

It suggested to me that some powers that be have released the Kraken, so to speak, and want to take Joe out by any means necessary.

ABC would have never done this story without someone or some group want Joe out of the race very badly.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 20, 2019 04:43 PM (so+oy)


Biden never got the endorsement of George Soros, and is paying for it now.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 04:45 PM (sy5kK)

95 someone remind me again why, exactly, i gave over 20 years of my life, and a good portion of my health, to this corrupt and out of control entity?

people need to be arrested, arraigned, tried, convicted, and hung by their neck until dead, dead, dead, then buried at sea, or it was all for nothing.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 20, 2019 04:45 PM (zlD4P)

96
* Judges who trust the institutions bringing them warrant requests.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

======

Seems to me those judges didn't ask near enough questions about patently bogus warrants. Falls into the You Had One Job category.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2019 04:45 PM (M9ntN)

97 I took that online course in epistemology from the U of Edinburgh. Now I don't believe anything with my own eyes. F*ck.

Posted by: gp is covered with mucins at June 20, 2019 04:46 PM (mk9aG)

98
patently bogus warrants.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia

======

warrant *requests*

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2019 04:46 PM (M9ntN)

99 Wheels are coming off the walls closing in or sumtin

Posted by: zeera with a new book, link in nic at June 20, 2019 04:46 PM (T9rmq)

100 >>The media does not investigate, they do not report, they are completely uncurious. So how could there be media reports unless someone said, "here, print this..."


Fusion GPS *handed them a check* and then said "Here, print this."

Posted by: Lizzy at June 20, 2019 04:46 PM (bDqIh)

101 Biden never got the endorsement of George Soros, and is paying for it now.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 04:45 PM (sy5kK)

I think the only reason Biden is running is because he must. The only leverage he has in FISAgate is the narrative that Trump is targeting political enemies with the investigations.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 04:46 PM (t6MX/)

102 They hammer Solomon in the comments there too. There is an army in that comment forum attacking him and trying to invalidate his reporting.

They hate him and are very scared of what he'll find next.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 20, 2019 04:46 PM (vEIlU)

103 Bbbut Mueller is in the Marine Green Beret Ranger Special Forces Batalion hall of fame!

--

Lol...yeah, where's that boob that used to come in here and spout that stuff because we dared to question his integrity?

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at June 20, 2019 04:46 PM (JoUsr)

104 CNN rolled out the Best of Plugs Gaffes video last night.

They want Plugs gone.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (nDe2U)

105 It suggested to me that some powers that be have
released the Kraken, so to speak, and want to take Joe out by any means
necessary.



ABC would have never done this story without someone or some group want Joe out of the race very badly.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were Obama. He's a sneaky little s***, just like Niedermeyer. Why? Just because.

Posted by: pep at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (T6t7i)

106 I hope Barr realizes how little time he has to untuck this mess.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (gC2IV)

107 Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2019 04:45 PM (M9ntN)

A cushy position as a judge is a sinecure, not a job where you have work, accountability, and responsibility!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (AZxMX)

108 "I have some questions about this black cash stuff,..."

Black cash stuff? BLACK cash stuff? Come see the racism inherent in the system! Come see the racism inherent in the system!

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (m79Dg)

109 This is a "build a gallows on the mall and hang them publicly" type of event to warn future government lackeys about such behavior.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (dNzKv)

110 people need to be arrested, arraigned, tried,
convicted, and hung by their neck until dead, dead, dead, then buried at
sea, or it was all for nothing.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 20, 2019 04:45 PM (zlD4P)

You at least got the T-shirt, didn't you?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (t6MX/)

111 OT - maybe too early..

But I was flabbergasted last night when ABC evening news had a piece on Hunter Biden and his overseas dealings and it questioned whether Joe Biden was influence peddling, which of course he was and sonny boy made millions.

It suggested to me that some powers that be have released the Kraken, so to speak, and want to take Joe out by any means necessary.

ABC would have never done this story without someone or some group want Joe out of the race very badly.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 20, 2019 04:43 PM (so+oy)


Biden never got the endorsement of George Soros, and is paying for it now.
=======
It has amused me to reveal my plans to your little social group of semi intelligent misfits.

Yes. I am responsible for Joe Biden's public conflagration. Warm yourselves by it. It will be a fine memory to console yourselves with in the future.

Posted by: G. Soros at June 20, 2019 04:48 PM (sYwhE)

112 I'm starting to think laws don't apply to cops


Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:28 PM

---

They never have, so why should this be different? SCOTUS has ruled time and again that the police have no obligation to be truthful with your when they are investigating/interrogating you.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

............

yeah.. I discovered that the first time I was stopped for speeding by a Chicago cop.. 19 years old, or thereabouts..

First thing he asked me.. "Do you know anyone?"

Because if I had a name for him.. a fellow cop.. or even better a higher up, I would skate..

I was white driving in a shady neighborhood.. he really wanted to let me off, but could only do so if I knew someone..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 20, 2019 04:48 PM (so+oy)

113
ABC would have never done this story without someone or some group want Joe out of the race very badly.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 20, 2019 04:43 PM (so+oy)

======

It has been noted that CNN is attempting to take down Biden, too. It's funny, because he probably would do better than any of those other clowns in the general election.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2019 04:48 PM (M9ntN)

114 104 CNN rolled out the Best of Plugs Gaffes video last night.

They want Plugs gone.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (nDe2U)

Aye. DNC must have sent out the memo...old white guy ain't gonna be their nominee.

Posted by: IC at June 20, 2019 04:48 PM (a0IVu)

115 "If you're not a cop, you're Little People. And Little People get stepped on."

Fuck all these guys. Drag them from their homes. Feed them to fucking aliens, I dunno. Let me anal probe them to their heart's content.

I'm SO glad I didn't go after the law degree > FBI path.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:48 PM (bcbK8)

116 it would be bad enough if they were using the hammer of illegal surveillance to catch bad guys, but they seem to use it for blackmail of politicians and judges, or to better fabricate a crime where there is none.


for instance, if they know everything a person does, they can plant evidence at the right location, or send fake Russians and see what you say privately about them ... or take snippets and misreport the context (as Mueller's report did to Flynn).


Or they have a bunch of little details and then try to invent a process crime after 40 hours of repeatedly asking the same questions in twisted ways ... Corsi and Stone both say the FIBs tried to coerce them into giving false testimony against Trump (suborning perjury, also a crime).

Posted by: illiniwek at June 20, 2019 04:49 PM (Cus5s)

117 But didn't the FBI have 28 8x10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against him?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 20, 2019 04:49 PM (37IEG)

118 But I was assured bob mueller was a straight arrow. Bipartisan. A rock!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 20, 2019 04:49 PM (dNzKv)

119 >>A question worth probing: Did someone on Mueller's own team leak the contents of the sham "ledger" to the media precisely so he could get a story written up and cite that -- which was an intentional product of his own illegal leaking -- as evidence rather than having to cite the phony ledger itself?


In a word : Yes.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 04:49 PM (+Tq+1)

120 I just wish Manafort and Flynn weren't such play for pay persons. I'll still continue to defend them against injustices but lord, why get in bed with a Edrogan?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 20, 2019 04:49 PM (e46OR)

121 Was sleepy sessions in on this sham from the beginning?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 20, 2019 04:49 PM (dNzKv)

122 112
I'm starting to think laws don't apply to cops





Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:28 PM

Cops, elected officials, DC bureaucrats....Oh, and if we are talking traffic violations -- they don't apply to women willing to show a little skin. Unless of course the officer is a straight woman.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (N39Ws)

123
I hope Barr realizes how little time he has to untuck this mess.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (gC2IV)


He is really going to get rolling after the IG report comes out which should be mid-May or early June.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (TAmPV)

124 one example of the pruning back of the fruit of the poisonous tree is the 'inevitable discovery" doctrine, which is as it sounds: If the prosecutors can propose an alternate reality in which ANOTHER path, not using the fruit of the poisonous tree, would have inevitably produced the evidence anyway, the evidence is admitted into court.

Obviously, when talking about alt-history and whether something is or is not "inevitable," there's a lot of room for creative interpretation and just deciding "do I want this guy in jail or not?"

There are other carve-outs and limitations that I can no longer remember. But a rule of thumb I used to employ was "assume that the fruit of the poisonous tree does NOT apply, look for the exceptions and caveats. Only if you can't find any of those, then proceed to entertaining the possibility that hte fruit of the poisonous tree might apply."

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (PbpT7)

125 So Obama (?) wants Biden gone.

We'll see who's getting puffery pieces this week.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (bcbK8)

126 why get in bed with a Edrogan?

$

Posted by: pep at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (T6t7i)

127 It has amused me to reveal my plans to your little social group of semi intelligent misfits.

Yes. I am responsible for Joe Biden's public conflagration. Warm yourselves by it. It will be a fine memory to console yourselves with in the future.
Posted by: G. Soros

...........

That's not the only trick you got up yer sleeve, is it George?

I'll bet ten to one there is going to be a conservative third party candidate to siphon votes away from Trump.. and guess who will be funding him besides the crew of the Cuck Cruise?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (so+oy)

128 The fact that the media, federal agencies, the courts, and academia have created a united front against the American people out to be casus belli.

It honestly should.

We are under occupation.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Conservapunk at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (AM1GF)

129 I think we are closing in on ground zero. When you look at what happened in Ukraine around 2014 - 2015, the removal of a pro-Kremlin president via coup and the installation of a pro-western president, Soros, the State Dept (Victoria Nuland in particular), Victor Pinchuk, John McCain, Joe frigging Biden and his idiot son, etc., this is where it all meets.

They were corrupt long before this but this is going to be a bombshell way bigger than Manafort.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (PxX58)

130 once is an error , twice is a pattern, three times is a crime

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 04:41 PM (LL1Be)

Yes, you're once, twice, three times a criminal
And I love you.

Get James Comey's greatest hits on Ronco Records. Act now and get this free server wiper!

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (m79Dg)

131 122 112
I'm starting to think laws don't apply to cops





Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:28 PM

Cops, elected officials, DC bureaucrats....Oh, and if we are talking traffic violations -- they don't apply to women willing to show a little skin. Unless of course the officer is a straight woman.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (N39Ws)

Ah, you've seen Cannonball Run. Excellent.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (bcbK8)

132 What do you call eliminating 9 out of 10...besides a good start?

Posted by: nip at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (DfGpI)

133
The institutional rot is so deep that agents are clamoring to resign.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (Wx/+I)

134 Was sleepy sessions in on this sham from the beginning?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 20, 2019 04:49 PM (dNzKv)

Sessionzzz bought them a year on the Stature of Limitations clock!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (AZxMX)

135 Worth noting, even with all of these dirty tricks, they found nothing on Trump. He is the cleanest person in DC.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (gC2IV)

136 A real Boy Scout, that Mueller is. Incorruptible.

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (xjiRE)

137 CNN rolled out the Best of Plugs Gaffes video last night.



They want Plugs gone.



Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (nDe2U)



Aye. DNC must have sent out the memo...old white guy ain't gonna be their nominee.


Posted by: IC at June 20, 2019 04:48 PM

---

The left is certainly beating up on him for whatever reason. He wont last getting it from both sides.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (JUOKG)

138 The good news is that we haven't reached Mexico-level government corruption yet. AFAIK.

Posted by: gp is covered with mucins at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (mk9aG)

139 You at least got the T-shirt, didn't you?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (t6MX/)
---
i had to buy my own at Clothing Sales.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 20, 2019 04:52 PM (zlD4P)

140 I hope Barr realizes how little time he has to untuck this mess.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

He is really going to get rolling after the IG report comes out which should be mid-May or early June.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic


Of 2120?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Conservapunk at June 20, 2019 04:52 PM (AM1GF)

141 So Obama (?) wants Biden gone.

--

This has always been my contention. My .02 goes for his wanting Harris as the nom. Hard left radical, checks the necessary boxes and is much younger than the Paste Eating Hair Sniffer.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at June 20, 2019 04:52 PM (JoUsr)

142 The institutional rot is so deep that agents are clamoring to resign.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (Wx/+I)

Thanks Hadrian, I needed a good laugh today!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:52 PM (AZxMX)

143 There are other carve-outs and limitations that I can no longer remember. But a rule of thumb I used to employ was "assume that the fruit of the poisonous tree does NOT apply, look for the exceptions and caveats. Only if you can't find any of those, then proceed to entertaining the possibility that hte fruit of the poisonous tree might apply."
=======
I'm sure you were a wonderful student. I mean that sincerely.

That's said, the supreme court would likely have a very interesting take on this fact pattern. . .

Posted by: Scalia's ghost at June 20, 2019 04:52 PM (13t+Y)

144 Is this why Biden went to Ukraine and threatened them to remove their prosecutor or lose a billion in funding? Was the Ukrainian prosecutor going to blow this open before it started?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 20, 2019 04:52 PM (dNzKv)

145 Rush at beginning of his show was taking about ABC's hit piece on Biden.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 04:52 PM (BbGew)

146 The good news is that we haven't reached Mexico-level government corruption yet. AFAIK.

Posted by: gp is covered with mucins


Dude. Mexican corruption is JV compared to the shit we've got going on these days.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Conservapunk at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (AM1GF)

147 Maybe the FBI figures they can get away with this because no one will stop them. But the fact is they can't put guards on everyone that helped Mueller, even if they wanted to. Eventually, they'll realize they are living in a free country when someone dumps a milkshake down Weissman's pants.

Posted by: trev006 at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (AKKkq)

148 This is a "build a gallows on the mall and hang them publicly" type of event to warn future government lackeys about such behavior.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 20, 2019 04:47 PM (dNzKv)

C'mon...it wasn't just me. Everybody was doing it. Hey! Put me down! No, you can't! Please don't! I'll give you Hillary. Nooooooo...*crack.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (m79Dg)

149 Mueller & cohorts insisting on the cash ledger's veracity? It was never validated when the information was promoted in 2012-2013.

Posted by: Mario V Albao at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (Uc/rz)

150 https://dailym.ai/2Ks9nYX
********
Dalai Lama's $1 MILLION to back women-branding 'sex cult' | Daily Mail Online

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (BqBId)

151 Barack Hussein Obama mm mm mm
He successfully weaponized the US Government against it's citizens.
But he was just not good, capable, or smart enough to do it on his own. And far too damn lazy.
He simply finished the nearly-completed Bush-Clinton-Bush Globalist Elitist Project.
Hell if you didn't see the writing on the wall when GWB's solution to 9/11 was the behemoth Department of Homeland Security?

Can't help you, brah.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (LL1Be)

152 It suggested to me that some powers that be have released the Kraken, so to speak, and want to take Joe out by any means necessary.

I can think of two reasons for this kind of stuff (and the other recent events)

1) Get the news out of the way early so they can say they already covered that (they did this with Hillary but some stories just wouldn't go away)
2) Some factions back other candidates and are getting the long knives out because he's in charge.

Are those factions just people in the news industry? Is there a bunch of competing groups out there, such as Clintons vs Obamas vs Soros? I dunno. It might even be Saudi money vs Chinese money.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (39g3+)

153 I think Obama may not realize that old black magic has lost some of its charm ... especially if more revelations come out about his anti-American activities against Trump ... and all of us.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (Cus5s)

154 Look what they did in the Bundy ranch prosecution.

Part of the charges were for fraud for the Bundy's fundraising by saying that there were snipers watching them. The Bundy defense team said that there were reports about the surveillance on the Bundys, including snipers, and the BLM and FBI and LMNOP coming onto the property and the DOJ called those lies and made up and fantasies and on and on and on.

Right up to the moment that a whistleblower got on the stand with a copy of all the documents.

And that it was all oh you mean this gate key?

Last I checked, nothing happened to any of the agents involved or any of the lawyers and the DOJ was trying to have the charges reinstated.

From what I can tell, no one batted an eye at doing this because this is standard procedure.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (mf5HN)

155 Not a smidgen of corruption!

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (j5RRD)

156 >>>Ah, you've seen Cannonball Run. Excellent.


cop played by Valerie Perrine.

Who actually isn't nearly as busty as she always appears to be in movies.

I blame The Jews.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (PbpT7)

157 138 The good news is that we haven't reached Mexico-level government corruption yet. AFAIK.
Posted by: gp is covered with mucins at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (mk9aG)


It's not out in the open yet.

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (xjiRE)

158 >>I hope Barr realizes how little time he has to untuck this mess.

We are nowhere near the statute of limitations on this stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (PxX58)

159 Trump. He is the cleanest person in DC.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:51 PM (gC2IV)

Cleanest President since George Washington!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:54 PM (AZxMX)

160 Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of FBI offices and I tell you the FBI does that all the time.

Posted by: Mueller and Weismann, et al. at June 20, 2019 04:54 PM (6eEQ+)

161 Hell if you didn't see the writing on the wall when GWB's solution to 9/11 was the behemoth Department of Homeland Security?

Yeah I had two reactions to that.

The first was "that makes sense, we need some kind of coordination and clearance so the data is available where needed.

The second was "but not a gigantic new overarching super agency without any restraint or controls"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 04:54 PM (39g3+)

162 Mexico corruption - pftttt, we're talking Machiavelli writing a method for upgrading Byzantine corruption here

Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 20, 2019 04:54 PM (37IEG)

163 Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (PxX5
*******
Shhhhhhh let the Children have their delusions

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 20, 2019 04:55 PM (BqBId)

164 Biden has the patriot act written and tucked away in his desk drawer just waiting for the right opportunity

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 20, 2019 04:55 PM (dNzKv)

165 Speaking of clothing and corrupt organizations,
Ace does NOT have a clothing line.
Yet.

And his organization is so squeaky clean, you could eat off it. If he ate.

So why not give him some of your money! Click the Paypay link. You don't need an account to send him money, just a credit or debit card with the Visa or Mastercard logo.

Don't send your money to politicians like Roy Moore who will only disappoint you. Give to Ace.

Who probably won't disappoint you.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 04:55 PM (bcbK8)

166 You know though, the funny thing is these corrupt assholes can't manage to find or make anything legally stick on the Golden Scalp Weasel.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 20, 2019 04:55 PM (37IEG)

167 We are nowhere near the statute of limitations on this stuff.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (PxX5

Serious question, do you have any source for actual Statute of Limitations for these crimes?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:55 PM (AZxMX)

168 Anyone connected with these criminal undertakings arrested yet......

Honk. honk.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (Z+IKu)

169 They were corrupt long before this but this is going to be a bombshell way bigger than Manafort.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (PxX5

Most Americans will probably not care about shenanigans in the Ukraine, particularly if it means Opposing Putin. If they don't care about the rule of law collapsing to the point of former soldiers getting ready to hunt down G-men, why would anyone care about the Clinton-level corruption that has dogged international politics since the 90's?

Posted by: trev006 at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (AKKkq)

170 >>>That's said, the supreme court would likely have a very interesting take on this fact pattern. . .


well, the exclusion of evidence, if you remember, has always had a bad odor with conservative justices. It's the leftwing that was always seeking to exclude evidence due to simply policeman error.

Now, if you can demonstrate something more than error -- like that this was engineered via leaking deliberately -- than a judge might consider a very serious sanction, which could, maybe, possibly, speculatively, involve tossing the case.

but that's pretty extreme. Judges do not like doing that.

Especially when one of The Right People is being targeted.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (PbpT7)

171 He is really going to get rolling after the IG report comes out which should be mid-May or early June.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (TAmPV)
---
so, in about #twoweeks?

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (zlD4P)

172 Biden HAD. It was written in the 90s, but he needed a 9-11 to ram it through.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (dNzKv)

173 They don't have to do anything if they want Biden gone. Just let him speak and he'll sink himself.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (gC2IV)

174 To ask the question is to answer it.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (VPvxh)

175 Speaking of cults, any Horde members have one? I'm willing to join, I just can't promise I'll actually buy into the doctrines. But I'm willing to do anything but shave my head.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (icI8A)

176 I hope Barr realizes how little time he has to untuck this mess.

Yeah, gotta be on the ball soon because once the election year is fully underway its basically impossible to get any traction on anything new. And who knows what will happen in the election?

Do eet. Do eet now.

Hint: this isn't about statutes of limitations. Its about political realities and pressures.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (39g3+)

177 We are nowhere near the statute of limitations on this stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (PxX5



Serious question, do you have any source for actual Statute of Limitations for these crimes?





Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:55 PM

---

Most non violent non tax Federal crimes have a 5 year statute of limitations.*

*Certain exceptions do exist.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 20, 2019 04:57 PM (JUOKG)

178 The good news is that we haven't reached Mexico-level government corruption yet. AFAIK.
=======
No. This is obviously not true. I mean seriously, you think Nancy Pelosi made 100 million dollars on salary?

Why do presidential libraries have billion dollars in 'donations'.

The list of graft and corruption is too long to restate. Sure drug lords bribe Mexican presidents with cash, but they also bribe American politicians. Why did so many of them make personal visits to that particular president of mexico? Trickle down graftonomics.

Posted by: G. Soros at June 20, 2019 04:57 PM (szVCU)

179 But you see, Trump's a bad guy. If he weren't would the FBI be manufacturing "crimes" like this to try to pin on him and his associates? No way, the FBI exists only to serve the American public and we definitely shouldn't raze it all the way down to the bedrock underneath the Hoover building and start over.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at June 20, 2019 04:57 PM (hdzef)

180 175
Speaking of cults, any Horde members have one? I'm willing to join, I
just can't promise I'll actually buy into the doctrines. But I'm willing
to do anything but shave my head.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (icI8A)
We have one, but we do butt shaving.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 20, 2019 04:57 PM (37IEG)

181 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:55 PM (AZxMX)
******
Serious Question, Do You ?

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 20, 2019 04:57 PM (BqBId)

182 >>. . .They were corrupt long before this but this is going to be a bombshell way bigger than Manafort.



This needs to happen SOON.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (bDqIh)

Posted by: 13times at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (K3B2k)

184 >>I'm willing to do anything but shave my head.


Sorry. You gotta shave to get in.

Posted by: The Almighty Ralph at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (+Tq+1)

185 158 >>I hope Barr realizes how little time he has to untuck this mess.

We are nowhere near the statute of limitations on this stuff.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (PxX5

--------

Yes, but it gets very messy if this gets too far into election season.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (gC2IV)

186 The only things required to make such a scheme work are:
* Credulity and a healthy dose of bias confirmation
* Loose inter-agency alignment on who the enemies are
* Corrupt and dishonest officials
* Judges who trust the institutions bringing them warrant requests.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 04:41 PM (I2dne)

_____


... and none of this would be possible without the ability to rely on cover and disinformation from the Fifth-Column Fourth-Estate Enemy-Of-The-People Sycophantic Media Whores.

Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (kyz/M)

187 They never have, so why should this be different? SCOTUS has ruled time and again that the police have no obligation to be truthful with your when they are investigating/interrogating you.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (JUOKG)

- - - - - - - - - - -

I don't understand then why people being investigated don't have the same privilege. Why can't they lie when interrogated? Isn't it up to the cops to find material evidence of a crime or witnesses to it?

Posted by: Decaf at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (nyFJf)

188 >>Most Americans will probably not care about shenanigans in the Ukraine, particularly if it means Opposing Putin. If they don't care about the rule of law collapsing to the point of former soldiers getting ready to hunt down G-men, why would anyone care about the Clinton-level corruption that has dogged international politics since the 90's?

They will when they understand what happened.

Why do you think Biden's idiot son got appointed to the board of a corrupt Ukrainian oil company when he has zero background in the field and a history of being a coke headed fuckup?

I've been saying for while now that Ukraine was the key to unlocking this whole thing. This is just the tip.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (PxX58)

189 Butt shave, huh?

Okay, but no wax strips, and I get a blindfold.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (icI8A)

190 Jim Jordan on F&F this morning said the question he gets asked most by constituents and people that come up to him at airports is - When are people going to jail.?





Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (RBOtF)

191 From what I can tell, no one batted an eye at doing this because this is standard procedure.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (mf5HN)

That was a rather depressing display of naked government power!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (AZxMX)

192 Hint: this isn't about statutes of limitations. Its about political realities and pressures.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (39g3+)

Against a normal politician, this would be enough to make sure things never saw the light of day.

Donnie is obviously different. Given that they constantly threaten to 90's Pinochet him, I'm not sure that he won't 70's Pinochet the entire Democrat Party first.

Posted by: trev006 at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (AKKkq)

193 Pasty Joe once called the Rebberend Jackson "boy".

https://bit.ly/2IvjFFI

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (+y/Ru)

194 I'm past caring about the extent of the corruption and the depths of the efforts to oust a lawfully elected president.

All I care about now is how much rope I need to bring and to which lamp posts I need to bring it so we finally get justice for this travesty.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (kI/3T)

195 Kamala has a new campaign poster to hang on your wall... get 'em while they last.
Comments are pretty funny.

https://tinyurl.com/y2g9p6uh

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (RBOtF)

196 cop played by Valerie Perrine.

Who actually isn't nearly as busty as she always appears to be in movies.

I blame The Jews.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (PbpT7)
-----------
Oh she was busty enough for a middle schooler that stumbled across her Playboy spread let me tell you!

Posted by: jhawk90 at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (Xvo1a)

197 It's not about the statute of limitations if Trump loses the election.

Posted by: 13times at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (K3B2k)

198
Yes, but it gets very messy if this gets too far into election season.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (gC2IV)
I know, we wouldn't want to let the exposure and arrest for corruption of these assholes influence the work they did to ensure we didn't have free and fair elections last time around.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (37IEG)

199 "Barack Hussein Obama...
He successfully weaponized the US Government against it's citizens."


It's worse than that. The weaponization was already there. Obama just upped the caliber. But the DNA of abuse was already there and in use.

Our IC has been corrupted and, despite Hannityesque "it was only the top one-half of one percent" that were guilty, it is most certainly and alarmingly much, much worse than that. If I threw out the number of 25% or more, I don't think I'd be exaggerating.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 20, 2019 05:00 PM (6eEQ+)

200 >>I'm willing to do anything but shave my head.
..........

You're in.

Posted by: Temple of Balschaef at June 20, 2019 05:00 PM (v0R5T)

201 Fake news, fake documents, fake minorities (looking at you, Liawatha).


No wonder people are pulling the plug.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 20, 2019 05:00 PM (YslsA)

202 We are nowhere near the statute of limitations on this stuff.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (PxX5

Serious question, do you have any source for actual Statute of Limitations for these crimes?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

.............

Tax crimes have fairly short terms.. 3-6 years in most cases..

Even foreign gifts and income tax evasion has only 3 years with it doubled after $5000..

Not sure what Manafort was exactly charged with though.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 20, 2019 05:00 PM (so+oy)

203 the pattern of legitimizing false intelligence via -- "the reporter we leaked to printed it, so it must be true" -- would establish mens rea ... intent to commit a crime (to make false evidence appear real, AND to present it to the court as real with full knowledge it was their own manipulated fake).

Posted by: illiniwek at June 20, 2019 05:00 PM (Cus5s)

204 Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 04:50 PM (PbpT7)


A point Solomon made was that Weissmann couldn't find a way to get a search warrant, since the "crimes" he was investigating had already been looked at by the Obama DOJ and no action taken. He needed new allegations. The ledger offered that opportunity, since it referred to cash payments (faked), and Weissmann grabbed the opportunity.

The upshot of Solomon's comments was that the warrant they got and the evidence they found all flowed directly from the fake ledger and no other new evidence was ever found ex-post facto that might have justified the original warrant.
I'm not a lawyer, and there's no telling what Weissmann could bring forward at his trial (if ever there is one) or Bar hearing, but that sounds fairly tightly reasoned to me.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Demofascists are certifiable at June 20, 2019 05:01 PM (LISuA)

205 The media does not investigate, they do not report, they are completely
uncurious. So how could there be media reports unless someone said,
"here, print this..."



"Listen and understand: this Progda thing is out there. It doesn't investigate, it doesn't report, it doesn't do anything but lie and cover up stories. And it absolutely will not stop until nobody knows anything they should know."

- Tech Sergeant Kyle Reese.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 20, 2019 05:01 PM (HaL55)

206 We are nowhere near the statute of limitations on this stuff.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (PxX5

The statute of limitations on this lasts until exactly when the next Democrat administration takes over.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 20, 2019 05:01 PM (kI/3T)

207 Felt something on my foot and look down. It a field spider about 3 inches across. Took several rounds to bring him down. He is now an ex spider.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 05:02 PM (gC2IV)

208 Almost makes you wish Hoover were still in charge.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 20, 2019 05:02 PM (ufFY8)

209 203
the pattern of legitimizing false intelligence via -- "the reporter we
leaked to printed it, so it must be true" -- would establish mens rea
... intent to commit a crime (to make false evidence appear real, AND to
present it to the court as real with full knowledge it was their own
manipulated fake).


Posted by: illiniwek at June 20, 2019 05:00 PM (Cus5s)
Hay-Sus - imagine 20 years ago trying to claim an article in National Enquirer was grounds for launching an investigation. How is this really 1% different?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 20, 2019 05:02 PM (37IEG)

210 >>Not sure what Manafort was exactly charged with though.

Tax crimes, some going back a decade or more.

This isn't about Manafort. As big a scumbag as he is, he was a patsy, used to get at Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:02 PM (PxX58)

211 so, in about #twoweeks?


Posted by: redc1c4 at June 20, 2019 04:56 PM (zlD4P)

That meme always makes me laugh now because it started months ago .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 20, 2019 05:02 PM (e46OR)

212 I don't understand then why people being investigated don't have the same privilege. Why can't they lie when interrogated?

You can, against any non-federal officer. Its not gonna help you much when it comes to negotiations and plea deals but you can lie to a cop.

The outrageous law that bans lying to federal officers though, that needs to be overturned.

Against a normal politician, this would be enough to make sure things never saw the light of day.

Donnie is obviously different.


Well that remains to be seen. But the truth is, with the election coming up, this stuff has to at least be started in the public eye before the real votes begin.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:03 PM (39g3+)

213 Serious Question, Do You ?
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 20, 2019 04:57 PM (BqBId)

No I don't, but it seems like an appealing way for insider politicians and bureaucrats to skate!

Scotsman above says 5 years for most such crime (can't link properly on iPad)

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 05:03 PM (AZxMX)

214 The upshot of Solomon's comments was that the warrant they got and the evidence they found all flowed directly from the fake ledger and no other new evidence was ever found ex-post facto that might have justified the original warrant.
I'm not a lawyer, and there's no telling what Weissmann could bring forward at his trial (if ever there is one) or Barr hearing, but that sounds fairly tightly reasoned to me.
========
Hey. I may be dead, but I still know an interesting fact pattern when I see it.

Posted by: Scalia's ghost at June 20, 2019 05:04 PM (sYwhE)

215 The Conservative Case for Perpetrating Serial Frauds on Those Who are Not Our Type of People


FIFY.

Posted by: shibumi, eagerly awaiting SMOD and Ancient Aliens at June 20, 2019 05:04 PM (Cczdz)

216 Ace suspiciously IRACing in the comments leads me to believe that in reality our hero is...Star Jones!

Posted by: Lance D. Boyle, M.D. - Dermatologist at June 20, 2019 05:04 PM (87EdW)

217 I tried to start a cult after I heard about Alison Mack. The territory is open, but they said they were looking for leaders with more charisma. I wasn't sure if I could raise the franchise deposit anyway. Already had a choice strip-mall location picked out, good parking.

Posted by: gp, Poisonous Tree Fruitarian at June 20, 2019 05:04 PM (mk9aG)

218 These people are so dirty; It's going to be a fight to the finish.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 05:04 PM (CFSlN)

219 Until their are actual 4:00am with flash bang, arrests, solitary pending trail, and convictions...

All the Deep State say,
LOLGF

Posted by: Lou Read at June 20, 2019 05:04 PM (1g7ch)

220
The statute of limitations on this lasts until exactly when the next Democrat administration takes over.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 20, 2019 05:01 PM (kI/3T)



Maybe Trump should open a FISA investigation on the democratic nominee

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 20, 2019 05:04 PM (TAmPV)

221 Why do you think Biden's idiot son got appointed to the board of a corrupt Ukrainian oil company when he has zero background in the field and a history of being a coke headed fuckup? 

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (PxX5

We all know the answer, but Tony Rodham died of causes that weren't having acid dripped into his eyes. I can't imagine Joe Biden giving the CIA orders/ making any amount of money on Ukraine that would outweigh watching Comey, Brennan, et. al being indicted for the crimes they clearly committed.

What do you think are the biggest crimes that the Obama gang will swing for? I imagine mass corruption of the FBI and federal judiciary. It's the easiest thing to explain to Americans. Even donating money to Iran and Hezbollah has offered diminishing returns politically, whereas Reagan would have had people in front of firing squads.

Posted by: trev006 at June 20, 2019 05:04 PM (AKKkq)

222 Now we know why things never went quite right.
Snidely Wilson - Commie Roosevelt and all the elites said, go team go.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 05:05 PM (CFSlN)

223 Pulls hat down low...
Looks left and right...
Hey! Psssttt! Hey kid.
Wanna buy a dossier. Primo stuff right here.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 20, 2019 05:05 PM (axyOa)

224 155
Not a smidgen of corruption!

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 20, 2019 04:53 PM (j5RRD)

A truckload is not a smidgen.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 05:05 PM (t6MX/)

225 Butt shave, huh?



Okay, but no wax strips, and I get a blindfold.


Skip the blindfold - you're doing the shaving.

Posted by: DaveA at June 20, 2019 05:05 PM (FhXTo)

226 I really need to proof read before I hit post.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 05:05 PM (gC2IV)

227 Look, its a case like this that basically put the Court in the position of saying well, do we want the whole thing to turn into Calvin ball or not?

Posted by: Scalia's ghost at June 20, 2019 05:05 PM (szVCU)

228 The statute of limitations on this lasts until exactly when the next Democrat administration takes over.
Posted by: Defenestratus at June 20, 2019 05:01 PM (kI/3T)

Now that sounds like the Feral Government I know and love!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (AZxMX)

229 Felt something on my foot and look down. It a field spider about 3 inches across. Took several rounds to bring him down. He is now an ex spider.

Posted by: Duke Lowell


I do hope you waited until it was no longer ON your foot to open fire...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Conservapunk at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (AM1GF)

230 195 Kamala has a new campaign poster to hang on your wall... get 'em while they last.
Comments are pretty funny.

https://tinyurl.com/y2g9p6uh
Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2019 04:59 PM (RBOtF)


The one about her sister is... interesting.

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (xjiRE)

231 ... and none of this would be possible without the ability to rely on cover and disinformation from the Fifth-Column Fourth-Estate Enemy-Of-The-People Sycophantic Media Whores.
Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM (kyz/M)
+++++++++++
Yup. Press publication of leaked information with no validation or implication that is anything other than true is one of the keys to making the laundromat work.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (I2dne)

232 I've got shaky hands, so I hope everybody packed aloe.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (icI8A)

233 I definitely think it was a campaign to go after anyone who might be able to be turned against President Trump.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (BbGew)

234 >>>SCOTUS has ruled time and again that the police have no obligation to be truthful with your when they are investigating/interrogating you.

the reasonable deception doctrine. Though, the deception must be "reasonable," whatever that might mean. (And it can mean most things.)

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (PbpT7)

235 Yup. Press publication of leaked information with no
validation or implication that is anything other than true is one of
the keys to making the laundromat work.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (I2dne)
Unless the leak is something about Hillary being one of the Lizard people of course.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 20, 2019 05:07 PM (37IEG)

236 >>We all know the answer, but Tony Rodham died of causes that weren't having acid dripped into his eyes. I can't imagine Joe Biden giving the CIA orders/ making any amount of money on Ukraine that would outweigh watching Comey, Brennan, et. al being indicted for the crimes they clearly committed.

Who says Joe Biden was giving them orders?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:07 PM (PxX58)

237 Fake news, fake documents, fake minorities

-
Fake girls are boys who identify as girls.
CNN is propaganda that identifies as journalists.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 20, 2019 05:07 PM (+y/Ru)

238 They framed Popadopolis, charged Flynn on a bullshit charge, engineered a fake case against Manafort-- why aren't these assholes in jail?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 20, 2019 05:07 PM (oVJmc)

239 44 >>>4 I'm not a lawyer, but if they used this as the basis to open an investigation, wouldn't everything they discovered be fruit of the poisonous tree?

almost certainly not. The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine has been much pruned back, so to speak, over the years, and they only used the ledger for PART of their case. They would argue, and a judge would probably agree (as judges do not like tossing cases, especially ones that go after The Right People) that the warrant would have been obtained with or without this ledger forgery so it was, at most, a harmless error.



Posted by: ace


What if the DOJ didn't fight it?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 20, 2019 05:07 PM (/Fmtj)

240 207 Felt something on my foot and look down. It a field spider about 3 inches across. Took several rounds to bring him down. He is now an ex spider.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 05:02 PM (gC2IV)


You fired into your foot? That's hardcore.

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 05:08 PM (xjiRE)

241 Unless the leak is something about Hillary being one of the Lizard people of course.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at June 20, 2019 05:07 PM (37IEG)
+++++++++++
I should have mentioned the fact that such an apparatus can be effectively arrayed *only* against an outsider, yeah. All those assumptions as to veracity and default modes of credulity go out the window when they're considering those that will defend their sinecures.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:08 PM (I2dne)

242 They never have, so why should this be different?
SCOTUS has ruled time and again that the police have no obligation to be
truthful with your when they are investigating/interrogating you.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 20, 2019 04:44 PM (JUOKG)



- - - - - - - - - - -



I don't understand then why people being investigated don't have the
same privilege. Why can't they lie when interrogated? Isn't it up to
the cops to find material evidence of a crime or witnesses to it?


Posted by: Decaf at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM

---

You have to ask SCOTUS. They have ruled more than a few times that the police have no obligation to tell you the truth, and they can blatantly lie to you and mislead you during investigations.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 20, 2019 05:09 PM (JUOKG)

243 Speaking of shaky hands, I wonder if Michael J. Fox ever accidentally, um..."pleasures himself" when peeing.

Posted by: Lance D. Boyle, M.D. - Dermatologist at June 20, 2019 05:09 PM (87EdW)

244
You fired into your foot? That's hardcore.
Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 05:08 PM (

----------

It's just a flesh wound!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 05:10 PM (gC2IV)

245 >>>the pattern of legitimizing false intelligence via -- "the reporter we
leaked to printed it, so it must be true" -- would establish mens rea
... intent to commit a crime (to make false evidence appear real, AND to
present it to the court as real with full knowledge it was their own
manipulated fake).

this would primarily be a reason to sanction/prosecute the perpetrators (which won't happen), not to undo a conviction by a jury, or a plea.

remember, in a plea, one forfeits all legal defenses otherwise available.

And courts are very respectful of what a fact-jury decides.

Unless the fact-jury decides something that conflicts deeply with their liberal political beliefs, of course.

And even the prosecute thing -- look, this just doesn't happen. these people all know each other and all know each other's friends. Some served with each other as prosecutors earlier, and know of each other's dirty laundry.

prosecutors and judges are effectively above the law in most situations.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:10 PM (PbpT7)

246 They framed Popadopolis, charged Flynn on a bullshit charge, engineered a fake case against Manafort-- why aren't these assholes in jail?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles


Because they are all in on it together.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 20, 2019 05:10 PM (sRczR)

247 Who says Joe Biden was giving them orders?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:07 PM (PxX5

Easiest explanation of how the pipeline from Joe to Hunter to Ukraine would go. But fine, say Obama proves to have his fingers in Ukraine. What would he be indicted for?

Posted by: trev006 at June 20, 2019 05:10 PM (AKKkq)

248 You have to ask SCOTUS. They have ruled more than a few times that the police have no obligation to tell you the truth, and they can blatantly lie to you and mislead you during investigations.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 20, 2019 05:09 PM (JUOKG)
+++++++++
Yup. The only right thing to say to a cop is, "I am exercising my right to remain silent and have nothing more to say until I speak with my lawyer."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:10 PM (I2dne)

249 Hey Madamemahem,
Just have to say, your old man is a hoot in those Allstate commercials.

Posted by: Lurker John at June 20, 2019 05:10 PM (XT6Vl)

250 Though, the deception must be "reasonable," whatever that might mean. (And it can mean most things.)
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (PbpT7)

I think Beria would be able to define "reasonableness" in a most flexible manner...

For the good of the state, da?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 05:11 PM (AZxMX)

251 Just tell us what you need us to print. Happy to be a source!

Posted by: The MFM at June 20, 2019 05:11 PM (TQyCa)

252 >>>What if the DOJ didn't fight it?


I don't know how that works. It could be that this being a Very Special Prosecutor case, it is the special prosecutor who would be called to file a motion in opposition, and he's just call his old buddy Andrew Weissman to fight it.

I don't know -- and I kind of doubt -- that this would revert back to the regular DOJ in any kind of post-trial/post-plea action.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:12 PM (PbpT7)

253
I don't understand then why people being investigated don't have the same privilege. Why can't they lie when interrogated? Isn't it up to the cops to find material evidence of a crime or witnesses to it?

Posted by: Decaf at June 20, 2019 04:58 PM




Because you have a right to remain silent.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 20, 2019 05:12 PM (TAmPV)

254 Because they are all in on it together.

Until there's clear proof to the contrary, that's the only sane reaction to have. No amount of "sealed indictments!" and predictions or rumors makes the slightest difference until we see real, tangible action taken. And even then until there are prison sentences involved, its still all just for show.

Heads must roll for the American people to see and believe in justice. And mark my words, eventually those heads WILL roll one way or another. Best for all if its done official, if you get my meaning.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:12 PM (39g3+)

255 Because you have a right to remain silent.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 20, 2019 05:12 PM (TAmPV)
+++++++++++
Which can be used against you, oddly enough, unless you *tell* them that you're using it. That was one of the most preposterous decisions.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:13 PM (I2dne)

256 Yup. The only right thing to say to a cop is, "I am exercising my right to remain silent and have nothing more to say until I speak with my lawyer."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:10 PM (I2dne)

Your children should have that on a flash card on their smart phones!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 20, 2019 05:13 PM (AZxMX)

257 And now Manafort's being held prisoner by the state-level cabal.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 20, 2019 05:13 PM (oVJmc)

258 >>>the reasonable deception doctrine. Though, the deception must be "reasonable," whatever that might mean. (And it can mean most things.)

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (PbpT7)


I reserve the right to be reasonably deceitful and to revise, omit, or extend my remarks at a later time.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 05:13 PM (CFSlN)

259 You have to ask SCOTUS. They have ruled more than a few times that the police have no obligation to tell you the truth, and they can blatantly lie to you and mislead you during investigations.
========
Well, have you ever been cross examined by a lawyer in trial? If you think those questions aren't designed to be misleading, for some values of misleading you'd be mistaken.

Its a contest. There are rules, but make no mistake it is a contest. Its not a search for the truth. They are trying to beat you and rather than the oft quote 'presumption of innocence" the law really presumes you are trying to beat the cops.

If you act like a lamb you'll be slaughtered.

Posted by: Scalia's ghost at June 20, 2019 05:13 PM (13t+Y)

260 They framed Popadopolis, charged Flynn on a bullshit charge, engineered a fake case against Manafort-- why aren't these assholes in jail?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 20, 2019 05:07 PM (oVJmc)


Well,
Woulda coulda shoulda
If Trump and Sessions went balls to the wall after
'violations of civil rights under color of law'
they may have rounded all these deep state uniparty up before Mueller was done with his report...

#twomonths until IG report is out
and it will say,
yup a few people did some skeevy stuff.

DoJ declines prosecution.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 20, 2019 05:14 PM (1g7ch)

261 Did they use the ledger at the trial, and was it presented as unverified and likely fake?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 20, 2019 05:14 PM (dNzKv)

262 Yup. The only right thing to say to a cop is, "I am exercising my right to remain silent and have nothing more to say until I speak with my lawyer."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:10 PM (I2dne)

I remember a good civil procedure professor, who had a good career as a defense attorney before taking on some teaching later in life, would say "you're all going to want to know what advice to give your clients, so I'm gonna give you the 3 most important pieces of advice you can give them - Shut Up, Shut UP, SHUT UP!!!"

and then she'd say "and of course they'll ignore you and talk their fool heads off anyways, so you'll have to deal with that."

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2019 05:14 PM (Kpl3J)

263 The legal system is a complete crock of shit. If the innocent go free, and the guilty are punished, it's just lucky it turned out that way. No justice there.

Posted by: Chris M at June 20, 2019 05:14 PM (eAZVt)

264 the reasonable deception doctrine. Though, the
deception must be "reasonable," whatever that might mean. (And it can
mean most things.)

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (PbpT7)

---
This is actually the key point: are judges cool with prosecutors just outright lying to them?

I don't know. If I were a judge, I'd be more than a little pissed, but maybe they're down with the con.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:15 PM (cfSRQ)

265 >>>Did they use the ledger at the trial, and was it presented as unverified and likely fake?

i don't think so, or Solomon would surely have mentioned it. I believe only media reports about it were used to secure a warrant.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:15 PM (PbpT7)

266 Best for all if its done official, if you get my meaning.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:12 PM (39g3+)

Word. People won't wait forever, amd they certainly won't wait until the FBI completely unmasks and starts hunting down patriots.

Posted by: trev006 at June 20, 2019 05:15 PM (h0xyd)

267 The only proper response to a policeman's question is "am I under arrest?" If the answer is yes, proceed to "I want a lawyer" if "no" proceed to "goodbye"

Posted by: Lance D. Boyle, M.D. - Dermatologist at June 20, 2019 05:16 PM (87EdW)

268 i don't think so, or Solomon would surely have mentioned it. I believe only media reports about it were used to secure a warrant.

One would think this would be against DOJ policy, for obvious reasons.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:16 PM (39g3+)

269 They say 'Dossier', but it sounds like 'political cover'

Posted by: Patrick McHargue at June 20, 2019 05:16 PM (dF+mB)

270 The Steele dossier was fake, Bruce Ohr told the Fine Men(tm) of the FBI in 2016, yet the FBI and CNN collaborated with Comey and Clapper to make the Trump meeting about the Steele dossier "a newsworthy event" to be covered, and began the scam.



Criminals and traitors all.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 05:16 PM (sy5kK)

271 ace: "prosecutors and judges are effectively above the law in most situations."

AKA professional courtesy.

Almost any industry practices it. Members of the same club treat themselves differently than "the other". It's just that here we're not talking about an overlooked error or some extended discount that saves someone a few bucks or embarrassment. People are getting railroaded into losing Liberty.

The prosecution of those "enforcing the law" should be harsher when they abuse it because of the explicit trust they are granted to serve beyond themselves. Abuse that trust and the institution fails which leads to, in the extreme, chaos.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 20, 2019 05:16 PM (6eEQ+)

272

EXTERMINATE! FBI, EXTERMINATE!

Posted by: HP ROBOCOP KILLBOT at June 20, 2019 05:16 PM (UFLLM)

273

Mary Anne With The Shaky Hand

https://youtu.be/TjBxdQcHyI0

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 20, 2019 05:16 PM (aKsyK)

274 The fact Mueller, Yates, McCabe, Comey, fill in the blanks, retain law licenses, let alone haven't been publicly executed, is all you need to know about our decaying empire.

Burn. It. Down .

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 20, 2019 05:17 PM (MpHls)

275 This is ALL about me isn't it....I never should have bought those dossiers on E Bay from Comey Clapper and associates...there clapped out limos would have been a better purchase...now Muellers mule was quite
serviceable in the FBI commissary hauling oats ! and the like...

clean up & table 3 Obama......

Posted by: saf at June 20, 2019 05:17 PM (5IHGB)

276 DoJ declines prosecution
===========
My preferred formulation is: no reasonable prosecutor would indict.

Posted by: James Comey at June 20, 2019 05:17 PM (13t+Y)

277 Yup. The only right thing to say to a cop is, "I am
exercising my right to remain silent and have nothing more to say until I
speak with my lawyer."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:10 PM (I2dne)

---
Problem is, the process is the punishment.

The midnight raid, the taking all your stuff - doesn't matter if you refuse to talk to the cop the scene.

Your life is over.

Because someone "leaked" a lie to a reporter which was then presented to a judge as fact.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:17 PM (cfSRQ)

278 >>Easiest explanation of how the pipeline from Joe to Hunter to Ukraine would go. But fine, say Obama proves to have his fingers in Ukraine. What would he be indicted for?

Obama is not going to jail. Not if he eats a baby on live TV.

I'm talking about undoing one of the biggest scandals in this country's history. And not just this country. There is a reason so many foreign players are involved.

In 2014, a coup took place in Ukraine and the pro-Kremlin president was removed following the "spontaneous" Euromaiden protests. The new president who won the election in May 2014 was Petro Poreshenko, a very pro-western politician.

So pro-western he started an advisory board of foreign experts to assist him. One of those experts proposed to assist him was a corrupt senator from Arizona. Really.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:18 PM (PxX58)

279 My preferred formulation is: no reasonable prosecutor would indict.
Posted by: James Comey at June 20, 2019 05:17 PM (13t+Y)
+++++++++++
That was a fascinating find. I don't know how no one ever spotted the "no reasonable prosecutor" clause in the constitution before this. Or the "investigator may arrogate until himself the duties of a prosecutor" clause. Those were major finds.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:18 PM (I2dne)

280 271 ace: "prosecutors and judges are effectively above the law in most situations."

----

been saying it, this is john doe II and trump needs to do more than just survive, he neeeds to anhiliate the investigators. some donk was on fox late last night complaining about investigating the investigators, like it's some sort of end of batman begins escalation.

no ... mueller was straight up evil

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 05:18 PM (JziUy)

281 the reasonable deception doctrine. Though, the deception must be "reasonable," whatever that might mean. (And it can mean most things.)
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (PbpT7)

I think it means that they can't wear a Banana Splits costume and say that they're a furry.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2019 05:18 PM (Kpl3J)

282 >>>This is actually the key point: are judges cool with prosecutors just outright lying to them?

the reasonable deception doctrine applies to cops misleading a suspect -- say, claiming that they have a murder weapon they don't, or claiming they have a witness they don't.

If the deception is "reasonable" -- you can't tell a guy his children are being tortured until he confesses, for example -- the suspect has no grounds for complaint.

It does not apply to judges at all. Judges hear a lot of lies at trial, including from prosecutors and defense attorneys, and let some of it go away with just a warning or an in-camera chewing out.

If they want, though, deliberate lies told to a judge (or court -- the jury too) are prosecutable.

I just do not think they ever go after their colleagues -- attorneys, many of whom they know -- except in the most extreme situations. And usually for something that's pretty minor, like contempt of court. (which isn't really a criminal charge, it's a sanction the judge imposes himself to keep command of the courtroom; I don't know and kind of doubt there's any kind of actual "contempt of court" felony on the books that you'd go to trial for).

Look, the Guild protects its own.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:19 PM (PbpT7)

283 What if people began disrespecting judges?

What if no one rose when they entered the chambers?

How would they take that?

How would the left respond if normals basically said "No, judges have no honor"?

Something to think about.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:19 PM (cfSRQ)

284 279- it was probably a new emantion of the penumbra

Posted by: Lance D. Boyle, M.D. - Dermatologist at June 20, 2019 05:19 PM (87EdW)

285 Because someone "leaked" a lie to a reporter which was then presented to a judge as fact.
Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:17 PM (cfSRQ)
++++++++++
Oh yes. "Process as punishment" was a diabolical discovery (and later cultivation) by the state.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:19 PM (I2dne)

286 @230 rickl
Interesting connection with the sister.
I liked the smurf and avatar comments and
This:
https://tinyurl.com/y655fvpz

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2019 05:20 PM (RBOtF)

287 280 271 ace: "prosecutors and judges are effectively above the law in most situations."

I think it's more of a Judge Dredd kind of thing - I AM THE LAW!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2019 05:20 PM (Kpl3J)

288 This is actually the key point: are judges cool with prosecutors just outright lying to them?

I don't know. If I were a judge, I'd be more than a little pissed, but maybe they're down with the con.
=======
The truth is; it depends on the judge. If they are in on the scam, some of them appreciate the cover. If they are not in on the scam, and the lie is meant to deceive them, and it comes out later and they look the fool --- OMG that's the worst thing you could do. You'd be better off screwing your clients and stealing their money.

Posted by: James Comey at June 20, 2019 05:20 PM (3PMqH)

289 246 They framed Popadopolis, charged Flynn on a bullshit charge, engineered a fake case against Manafort-- why aren't these assholes in jail?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

----

I have a hard time believing that there was a Trump, Sessions, Rosenstein plan that involved the destruction of so many Trump associates.

Posted by: MAGA at June 20, 2019 05:21 PM (mqvC9)

290 Didn't Manafort and Flynn sign plea agreements?
Yes they did.
And there is why my sympathy for them is tempered by my dislike of the unctuous Mueller.

Read the plea agreements.

Mueller was the kid in first grade that ratted you out to the teacher even if you didn't do it.

When you're confronted by his kind don't give them anything. Even if you're guilty.

Posted by: torabora at June 20, 2019 05:21 PM (5u1Fw)

291 >>>The truth is; it depends on the judge. If they are in on the scam, some of them appreciate the cover. If they are not in on the scam, and the lie is meant to deceive them, and it comes out later and they look the fool --- OMG that's the worst thing you could do.

i think that's about right.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:21 PM (PbpT7)

292 How would the left respond if normals basically said "No, judges have no honor"?

Something to think about.
Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:19 PM (cfSRQ)
++++++++++++
A man's profession does not determine whether he is honorable. "Judge" should be form of address.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:21 PM (I2dne)

293 Look, the Guild protects its own.





Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:19 PM (PbpT7)

---
Right, but warrant submissions are supposed to be authentic, not transparent frauds.

Again - what if the Normal, Law-Abiding People decided to maybe not respect judges so much.

What if we did what the Democrats have declared is a Sacred Personal Right, and remained sitting when the judge entered the chamber?

The county jail only has so many cells. You can't hold us ALL for contempt.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:21 PM (cfSRQ)

294 138 The good news is that we haven't reached Mexico-level government corruption yet. AFAIK.
Posted by: gp is covered with mucins


How would we know?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 20, 2019 05:21 PM (DrqHq)

295 so an interesting ethical trick.

evidence bad, can't submit.
newsreport of bad is evidence is technically true, submit the news report.
no news, need to leak bad report to create news.

it so sad, it's going to be trumps 8th year in office and the looney bin left will still be talking impeachment. trump needs to let it go and just fucking kill everyone.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 05:21 PM (JziUy)

296 did you lie to the judge to get him to do something he wanted to do anyway, or did you lie to him to get him to do something that he didn't want to do?

the first will result in, maybe, eight hours in a cell for contempt of court, if anything. The latter, he might recommend charges and report you to the bar.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:22 PM (PbpT7)

297 I want Comey, Brennan and Clapper to be indicted.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2019 05:22 PM (RBOtF)

298 Yes, I really do have contempt for the court.

Posted by: Chris M at June 20, 2019 05:23 PM (eAZVt)

299 How would the left respond if normals basically said "No, judges have no honor"?
Something to think about.
Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:19 PM (cfSRQ)

Yup.....Sendero Luminoso used to hang a judge now and then in Peru.

Judges down there learned to fear lamp posts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 05:23 PM (Z+IKu)

300 >>>297 I want Comey, Brennan and Clapper to be indicted.


i do too but The Guild Protects Its Own.

You don't really think that the high sparrows of the Church of Government are really bound by the laws the Church of Government inflicts on the populace at large, do you?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:23 PM (PbpT7)

301 "It's illegal to submit, as part of an official record, evidence to a judge -- for example, in seeking a warrant against Paul Manafort-- which the person submitting knows to be fraudulent, or which may be fraudulent.

It can result in an actual criminal charge being filed."



Still waiting for any criminal charge to be filed against anyone who is not a Trump ally.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 20, 2019 05:23 PM (a5hgv)

302 300 >>>297 I want Comey, Brennan and Clapper to be indicted.


i do too but The Guild Protects Its Own.

You don't really think that the high sparrows of the Church of Government are really bound by the laws the Church of Government inflicts on the populace at large, do you?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:23 PM (PbpT7)

Nice.

Bonus points for deep Game of Thrones ref.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 05:24 PM (bcbK8)

303 I think it's more of a Judge Dredd kind of thing - I AM THE LAW!!

They also take their privileged status into their personal lives, and use it to stiff contractors and tradesmen on honest work done. Probably do it to vendors of every product and service.

My cousin did work for a local county level judge. When it came time to pay, he and his wife invented all these imaginary defects to delay payment or get a steep discount. My cousin did one very minor repair on a "defect" that was almost invisible...but he figured he needed the money so he played along. He took a little bit off the price. The judge and his wife told my cousin that the work was shit and they wouldn't pay. My cousin kept calling the judge to get his money and finally the corrupt asshole delivered the line:

"DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM???"

My cousin kept trying but never got his money.
I told him there must be some website online where people report assholes who stiff contractors, you could do it anonymously if you want.

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:24 PM (kD8Fh)

304 The thing is, most people can reluctantly tolerate using these kind of tactics to get John Gotti or some three-name serial killer. If we're talking catching Osama Bin Laden, okay I can stomach it, but don't like it. Its why the RICO act is still around despite being really difficult to justify on any moral or legal level (I'm guilty of what some other dude did??).

But when this is just turned on political enemies? That's not just unAmerican, its hideously unjust and disgusting at every level.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:24 PM (39g3+)

305 Ace are you an attorney? You seem well informed on the law and I've always wondered.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 20, 2019 05:25 PM (myjNJ)

306 I just do not think they ever go after their colleagues -- attorneys, many of whom they know -- except in the most extreme situations. And usually for something that's pretty minor, like contempt of court. (which isn't really a criminal charge, it's a sanction the judge imposes himself to keep command of the courtroom; I don't know and kind of doubt there's any kind of actual "contempt of court" felony on the books that you'd go to trial for).

Look, the Guild protects its own.
======
To be honest, its not that all judges stick up for all lawyers. Its very much political in most states were judges are elected. There are a few states where they are appointed by committee and elections are held for retention. For example there are like 34 judges down the street from me, and I hate 33 of them and they hate me right back. All 33 of em would screw me if given the chance and when given the chance they have routinely for decades.

F'em. The jury decides the case.

Posted by: simplemind at June 20, 2019 05:25 PM (r0eYw)

307 I hate to do this, but wasnt Rush Limbaugh saying this was exactly what happened with the 1st Dossier as well? And he was saying it two years ago.

Posted by: Quilp at June 20, 2019 05:25 PM (Bf3hj)

308 >>>305 Ace are you an attorney? You seem well informed on the law and I've always wondered.

no, not an attorney.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:25 PM (PbpT7)

309 going back a step, I'd be really interested in knowing who's feeding all of the information to Solomon. Someone is doing a lot of work at prepping the battlefield.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2019 05:25 PM (Kpl3J)

310 >>i do too but The Guild Protects Its Own.

So you think Barr is going to bury everything even if Trump and others already know what happened?

That should be interesting.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:25 PM (PxX58)

311 I mean, an attorney is a member of a state bar licensed to practice.

I did have some legal training, but I'm not an attorney.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:26 PM (PbpT7)

312 i also watched the fuck out of Law & Order and True Believer

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:26 PM (PbpT7)

313 whom is NOT A LAWYER.....anyone.....I'm still at the Bar and I haven't passed out yet..that trick question aboot Honour,honesty and ethics threw me for a loop but $300 for the invigelator sorted it all out.....


OBAMA >> HOLDER>> JARRET>>> CLINTONS et al

Posted by: saf at June 20, 2019 05:26 PM (5IHGB)

314 Obama is not going to jail. Not if he eats a baby on live TV.

I'm talking about undoing one of the biggest scandals in this country's history. And not just this country. There is a reason so many foreign players are involved.
In 2014, a coup took place in Ukraine and the pro-Kremlin president was removed following the "spontaneous" Euromaiden protests. The new president who won the election in May 2014 was Petro Poreshenko, a very pro-western politician.

So pro-western he started an advisory board of foreign experts to assist him. One of those experts proposed to assist him was a corrupt senator from Arizona. Really.


So in other words it's Mafioso...everyone has to be dirty, so that no one can peach.

Posted by: JEM at June 20, 2019 05:26 PM (8erNz)

315 296
did you lie to the judge to get him to do something he wanted to do
anyway, or did you lie to him to get him to do something that he didn't
want to do?



the first will result in, maybe, eight hours in a cell for contempt
of court, if anything. The latter, he might recommend charges and report
you to the bar.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:22 PM (PbpT7)

---
The courts can't afford to cut it that close though, can they?

Again, pure hypothetical, but what if - in addition to jury nullification - we began a campaign of "taking a knee" (or just sitting fast) when judges enter court?

Could they take that slight? I don't think so. It's just a guy with a wooden hammer. We stand out of long-standing custom and courtesy.

But we don't have do, and there aren't enough baliffs in the world to make us do it if we don't want to.

This is the issue they need to face.

I think some judges get it. Certainly Thomas does. But that may be an intermediate step if these people don't back off.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:26 PM (cfSRQ)

316 Okay. Thanks, I just wondered.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 20, 2019 05:27 PM (myjNJ)

317 They also take their privileged status into their personal lives, and use it to stiff contractors and tradesmen on honest work done. Probably do it to vendors of every product and service.


Posted by: kallisto

--

Funny how few vehicles with judges' plates ever get pulled over, no matter how fast they are driving, or how badly they are weaving due to alcohol.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 20, 2019 05:27 PM (YslsA)

318
Ace does have plenty of shelf space for his law books though if he ever decides he wants to be an attorney.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 20, 2019 05:28 PM (TAmPV)

319 195 Kamala has a new campaign poster to hang on your wall... get 'em while they last.
Comments are pretty funny.
_______________

Man, does everybody on her Twitter thread hate her? They're almost all mocking her. (I did like the "I'm With Whore" take on a campaign poster). Surprised the twats who control Twitter haven't kicked all those people off yet, given how eager they always are to protect their precious Dims.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 20, 2019 05:28 PM (k4dH2)

320 This thing can't get fixed unless the FISA judges sanction the lying warrant affiants and their attorneys.

Else they're in on the con.

Are you listening Justice Roberts?

Posted by: torabora at June 20, 2019 05:28 PM (5u1Fw)

321 Funny how few vehicles with judges' plates ever get pulled over, no matter how fast they are driving, or how badly they are weaving due to alcohol.

DWE - Driving While Elected.

Posted by: JEM at June 20, 2019 05:28 PM (8erNz)

322 The Arianespace webcast is starting. An Ariane V will launch two communications satellites at 5:43 pm EDT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhOoTVfYBI

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 05:28 PM (xjiRE)

323 The story about the asshole judge who doesn't pay gets better.

I asked cousin: How in fuck did you end up doing work for that cunt? "so and so referred me."

Turns out "so and so" is a fricking PROCURER who leads unsuspecting contractor lambs to the slaughter of this cunt judge in Delaware County PA who by the way happens to be Republican.

Yep, a typical GOPe, swamp denizen, etc. etc.

So the little twat procurer was most likely involved in any number of scams that he "bought" protection from the judge by sending him contractors to do good work on his property for FREE.

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:28 PM (kD8Fh)

324 Ace is too honest to be an attorney. And where would he keep all his law books if he was one? Ace is above the law.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 20, 2019 05:28 PM (6eEQ+)

325 Funny how few vehicles with judges' plates ever get pulled over, no matter how fast they are driving, or how badly they are weaving due to alcohol.

Well I mean they rely on these guys for warrants, soebpenas, and court rulings. Antagonize one of them and you will find suddenly you can't ever do enough to get just cause.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:29 PM (39g3+)

326 Obama is not going to jail. Not if he eats a baby on live TV.

----

oh, but we're supposed to be pure and akkepts what the donks do to trump and his subordinates and supporters.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 05:29 PM (JziUy)

327 274 The fact Mueller, Yates, McCabe, Comey, fill in the blanks, retain law licenses, let alone haven't been publicly executed, is all you need to know about our decaying empire.

Burn. It. Down .

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 20, 2019 05:17 PM (MpHls)


Trump's not out there chasing windmills, be patient.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 05:29 PM (CFSlN)

328 I was all Concerned McConcernedface when Trump picked Barr for AG. It was a great pick. Barr doesn't need the job and doesn't care about his professional reputation.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 05:29 PM (gC2IV)

329 We need to do to the FBI what King Phillip did to the Knights Templar: Arrest them all on a single day.

Every. Fucking. One. Of. Them.

Posted by: RKae at June 20, 2019 05:29 PM (lk1TJ)

330 >>>So you think Barr is going to bury everything even if Trump and others already know what happened?

That should be interesting.

...

I would say that he will not seek criminal charges, and even if he did, he would accept some plea as in the case of Sandy Berger like turning in security clearances, vowing to never work in a secure position again, and promising to not commit more crimes.

He may seek some kind of sanctions like that, but jail time...? I dunno.

There's also, lurking around here, the idea that we can't have peaceful transitions of government IF one party is going to actively try to jail the outgoing regime. Were that the case, people might decide that the Constitution isn't worth obeying and just go full latin America.

Now, it seems to me that the Obama regime flagrantly violated this understanding, which has previously kept most crimes committed for poltiical reasons unprosecuted.

And it seems to me that Republicans seem to be the only people honoring this unspoken agreement, because Democrats ROUTINELY seek to prosecute Republicans.

but I think there might be prudential/smooth transition of democratic transfer of power reasons that Barr would consider here.

Unless he realizes that Republicans are the only people playing under these restrictions.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:30 PM (PbpT7)

331 322 The Arianespace webcast is starting. An Ariane V will launch two communications satellites at 5:43 pm EDT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhOoTVfYBI

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 05:28 PM (xjiRE)


Wine and cheese at 6:00 ?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 05:30 PM (CFSlN)

332 314
Obama is not going to jail. Not if he eats a baby on live TV.

Posted by: JEM at June 20, 2019 05:26 PM (8erNz)

---
No, because Trump will pardon him.

I've said it here before, but it bears repeating.

Before November, 2020, Donald J. Trump will issue a full and unconditional pardon for Barack Obama.

And people will go crazy.

It will be glorious.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:30 PM (cfSRQ)

333 The only way to deal with someone like Obama is to lay out the case on national TV, then pardon him. No way he ever gets even indicted, so you just have to make sure everyone knows, then prove his guilt by giving him a pardon for it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:30 PM (39g3+)

334 Bbbut Mueller is in the Marine Green Beret Ranger Special Forces Batalion hall of fame!
Posted by: Duke Lowell
-------

Benedict Arnold was a General, received war wounds.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:31 PM (HTHlp)

335 The truth is; it depends on the judge. If they are in on the scam, some of them appreciate the cover. If they are not in on the scam, and the lie is meant to deceive them, and it comes out later and they look the fool --- OMG that's the worst thing you could do.

i think that's about right.
=============
I've seen people do some amazing stuff. We had a judge get convicted of corruption, and still had her name on the ballot and got 150,000 votes.

The system is a mess, but its marginally better than vigilante justice. That margin continues to shrink in my opinion.

Posted by: simplemind at June 20, 2019 05:31 PM (szVCU)

336 >>oh, but we're supposed to be pure and akkepts what the donks do to trump and his subordinates and supporters.

No, of course not. But Trump was never going to jail either.

We don't put presidents and ex-presidents in jail. But I do think and have thought all along that others will be indicted. There is no way to cover up what they did, especially the FISA abuse which is already largely in the open.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:31 PM (PxX58)

337 The story about the asshole judge who doesn't pay gets better.

I asked cousin: How in fuck did you end up doing work for that cunt? "so and so referred me."

Turns out "so and so" is a fricking PROCURER who leads unsuspecting contractor lambs to the slaughter of this cunt judge in Delaware County PA who by the way happens to be Republican.

Yep, a typical GOPe, swamp denizen, etc. etc.

So the little twat procurer was most likely involved in any number of scams that he "bought" protection from the judge by sending him contractors to do good work on his property for FREE.
Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:28 PM (kD8Fh)


Did he try a mechanics lien?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 20, 2019 05:31 PM (1g7ch)

338 So you think Barr is going to bury everything even if Trump and others already know what happened?

That should be interesting.
Posted by: JackStraw


2020 isn't guaranteed. He may simply time out before he brings one indictment. Hell, Sessions let Hillary time out and her server wasn't part of the Russian Kolusion shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 20, 2019 05:31 PM (sRczR)

339 Now I did hear that a stiffed contractor and his wife happened to be dining at the same restaurant as the criminal fraudulent judge and his beastly mate. The contractor's wife got up and approached the asshole jurist and his beastly mate and reamed them out in public for stiffing her husband.

You know, this shit gets around on the contractor grapevine. That asshole judge by now can only get druggies and excons to do work for him, good luck when you need a foundation poured or repaired ASSWIPE.

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:31 PM (kD8Fh)

340 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the
servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as
with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.

Posted by: Lord Comey at June 20, 2019 05:32 PM (kLDv+)

341 334 Bbbut Mueller is in the Marine Green Beret Ranger Special Forces Batalion hall of fame!
Posted by: Duke Lowell
-------

Benedict Arnold was a General, received war wounds.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:31 PM (HTHlp)

And, like Mark Felt, decided he was unappreciated and so approached the enemy with information.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 05:32 PM (bcbK8)

342 311 I mean, an attorney is a member of a state bar licensed to practice.

I did have some legal training, but I'm not an attorney.
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:26 PM (PbpT7)

---------

Ace is pre-med.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 05:32 PM (gC2IV)

343 333
The only way to deal with someone like Obama is to lay out the case on
national TV, then pardon him. No way he ever gets even indicted, so you
just have to make sure everyone knows, then prove his guilt by giving
him a pardon for it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:30 PM (39g3+)
That's actually a pretty clever tactic.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 20, 2019 05:32 PM (N39Ws)

344 Man, does everybody on her Twitter thread hate her? They're almost all mocking her. (I did like the "I'm With Whore" take on a campaign poster). Surprised the twats who control Twitter haven't kicked all those people off yet, given how eager they always are to protect their precious Dims.

I don't Twit, so I'll have to go look around for that one.

But, seriously. She is Obama with a hole. She is 'of color' but, like Obama, has never been remotely associated with black America unless and until it was useful.

Her uppercrust Indian mother got jiggy at Stanford grad school with a Jamaican bureaucrat and popped out a daughter, mom took kid to Canada where she grew up.

She's Exhibit A of why we need to exterminate the concept of the 'anchor baby'.

Posted by: JEM at June 20, 2019 05:33 PM (8erNz)

345 342
311 I mean, an attorney is a member of a state bar licensed to practice.



I did have some legal training, but I'm not an attorney.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:26 PM (PbpT7)



---------



Ace is pre-med.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 05:32 PM (gC2IV)

---
Close enough!

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:33 PM (cfSRQ)

346 Did he try a mechanics lien?


Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 20, 2019 05:31 PM (1g7ch)


I do not know, I never followed up with the story.

But wasn't the point of the dramatic "Do you know who I am??" bullshit to tell my cousing, lol get fucked you're never getting your money because I can pull strings at the Courthouse?

Who would enforce the lien if they knew it was against Judge Fraudalino?

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:33 PM (kD8Fh)

347

So in other words it's Mafioso...everyone has to be dirty, so that no one can peach.



Explains much, doesn't it?


Like why Trump has to be destroyed.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 20, 2019 05:34 PM (oVJmc)

348 "prosecutors and judges are effectively above the law in most situations."Posted by: ace


probably true, idk. But if ever there was a time for the tide to turn, it would be with this coup. And it would not start with the prosecution of the prosecutor, it would start with public awareness, building to outrage ... we can hope.


Much of what we have came from Solomon or Judicial Watch, as the DeepState boys protected their own. Bernie's success was largely because the left knew how crooked Hillary was ... public outcry can make a difference. But we'll see how far they will go to cover such massive fraud ... Barr at least has not completely rolled over ...

Posted by: illiniwek at June 20, 2019 05:34 PM (Cus5s)

349 It seems to me that all of those unemployed journos got jobs at the FBI making stuff up.

Posted by: shibumi, eagerly awaiting SMOD and Ancient Aliens at June 20, 2019 05:34 PM (Cczdz)

350 Funny how few vehicles with judges' plates ever get pulled over, no matter how fast they are driving, or how badly they are weaving due to alcohol.
--------

Just took Sophie The Dog for a walk. We passed a truck where some hispanic workers were doing some yard work. The truck had a Knights of Columbus plate on the front.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:34 PM (U7Mh9)

351 "And where would he keep all his law books if he was one"
On his shelves.

Ace was saying the other day that his shelves are installed.

And that they are marvelous

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 20, 2019 05:34 PM (cqNba)

352 346 Did he try a mechanics lien?


Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 20, 2019 05:31 PM (1g7ch)

I do not know, I never followed up with the story.

But wasn't the point of the dramatic "Do you know who I am??" bullshit to tell my cousing, lol get fucked you're never getting your money because I can pull strings at the Courthouse?

Who would enforce the lien if they knew it was against Judge Fraudalino?
Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:33 PM (kD8Fh)

New look at the Judge Crater case?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 05:34 PM (bcbK8)

353 Ace is pre-med.


You should listen to him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 05:35 PM (3e+65)

354 >>>329 We need to do to the FBI what King Phillip did to the Knights Templar: Arrest them all on a single day.

Every. Fucking. One. Of. Them.

Posted by: RKae at June 20, 2019 05:29 PM (lk1TJ)


La Gran Procesion: motorcycle cops, cars, paddy wagons, cars, motorcycles all sirens and lights from house to house.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 05:35 PM (CFSlN)

355 but I think there might be prudential/smooth transition of democratic transfer of power reasons that Barr would consider here.


So Barr will be a Star Chamber of one, deciding which laws and lawbreakers are really important?

Destroy the Social Compact to save it?

For how long? Until the Bolsheviks get back to their SOP?

Posted by: Miklos, unconvinced at June 20, 2019 05:36 PM (QzkSJ)

356 I've schooled lawyers before, but I'm not an attorney either.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:36 PM (U7Mh9)

357 333
The only way to deal with someone like Obama is to lay out the case on
national TV, then pardon him. No way he ever gets even indicted, so you
just have to make sure everyone knows, then prove his guilt by giving
him a pardon for it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:30 PM (39g3+)

---
Great minds think alike.

Obama will the be the only president besides Richard Nixon to be pardoned by his successor.

Oh, how it will sting.

Revenge serving temperature: .01 Kelvins.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:36 PM (cfSRQ)

358 >>2020 isn't guaranteed. He may simply time out before he brings one indictment. Hell, Sessions let Hillary time out and her server wasn't part of the Russian Kolusion shit.

If that were true why did Barr say a few weeks ago that Huber had been transferred to full-time work on the Hillary issues and he hoped to have that wrapped up soon?

What would be the point of sticking a team of federal prosecutors on a case that could never be charged?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:36 PM (PxX58)

359 I think in this threat people are getting just a little bit of a view into why lawyers as a group are so cynical, and prone to depression. (not all, but the profession has a lot higher incidence of that thing that most professions do)

And its simply that the people who get to see behind the scenes realize that "Government" is dirty most of the time, and what most people call "corruption" is just the Way Things are Done, and in fact are the Way things are Always Done. And all these big words like "Justice" and "ethics" and all that rot are just things to throw around to keep the fans in the stands happy, the players all know that they don't have shit to do with anything.

And it may seem a little worse than average right now, but in large part that's the way it's always been. If you don't want to know that, don't try to see the weak little men hiding behind the curtains.

Probably the only people more cynical about the system than Attorney's are Cops.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2019 05:36 PM (Kpl3J)

360 356
I've schooled lawyers before, but I'm not an attorney either.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:36 PM (U7Mh9)
I've helped them pay for their boats.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 20, 2019 05:37 PM (N39Ws)

361 355 but I think there might be prudential/smooth transition of democratic transfer of power reasons that Barr would consider here.


So Barr will be a Star Chamber of one, deciding which laws and lawbreakers are really important?

Destroy the Social Compact to save it?

For how long? Until the Bolsheviks get back to their SOP?
Posted by: Miklos, unconvinced at June 20, 2019 05:36 PM (QzkSJ)

2021 if we're unlucky, 2025 if we're lucky

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 05:37 PM (bcbK8)

362 Weismann certainly needs to be in the dock. Maybe Mueller but he can claim a senility defense.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 05:37 PM (3e+65)

363 Now, it seems to me that the Obama regime flagrantly violated this understanding, which has previously kept most crimes committed for poltiical reasons unprosecuted.

And it seems to me that Republicans seem to be the only people honoring this unspoken agreement, because Democrats ROUTINELY seek to prosecute Republicans.

but I think there might be prudential/smooth transition of democratic transfer of power reasons that Barr would consider here.

Unless he realizes that Republicans are the only people playing under these restrictions.
=======
I do not believe Barr came out of retirement just to paper over the crimes of some career politicians. I think prudence will cause him to stop short of what we'd all like to see. However, some of the FBI people and DOJ people are going to jail McCabe, Ohr. Probably Glenn Simpson for a few weeks for lying. Those types. Comey is the line of division. He'll be embarrassed but won't go to jail. He be called incompetent, disloyal, insubordinate and politically motivated, but not criminal.

Which will probably not happen until after the election. If they do it before, the disappointment will hand the election to the dems. They are dragging it out so that the potential of actual retribution will motivate people to vote.

Posted by: simplemind at June 20, 2019 05:37 PM (3PMqH)

364 The truck had a Knights of Columbus plate on the front.
Posted by: Mike Hammer


Was already on it at the salvage auction.

Posted by: Miklos, convinced at June 20, 2019 05:37 PM (QzkSJ)

365 311 I mean, an attorney is a member of a state bar licensed to practice.

I did have some legal training, but I'm not an attorney.


true story...DanMa'am got into a sham car wreck (set up deal with two other cars). I showed up after she had been given a ticket, took pictures, measurements blah blah blah. Insurance company didn't want to mess with it and confirmed they knew it was a set up.

I go to court with her over the ticket. There I am in my suit with my briefcase full of pictures, drawings, calculations, etc. She sees the cop finally shows up. uh-oh.

Judge calls her to the bench and I lead her up.
"Are here to defend Ms Ma'am?"
"yes sir"
"Is the state ready to proceed?"
"State is not prepared for trial your honor"
"Case dismissed!"

I found later I could have had my ass handed to me for impersonating an officer of the court.

Posted by: DanMan at June 20, 2019 05:37 PM (XTiHL)

366 If they could've put Trump in prison, they would have. They would care not one bit how it would tear the country apart.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 05:38 PM (gC2IV)

367 >>>329 We need to do to the FBI what King Phillip did to the Knights Templar: Arrest them all on a single day.

Every. Fucking. One. Of. Them.

Posted by: RKae at June 20, 2019 05:29 PM (lk1TJ)


Hannity and his guests are in the habit of proclaiming: "99.9% of all FBI and CIA are honest, loyal public servants that would never be corrupted."

O RLY?? How did you arrive at that number? I betcha five bucks if you did a quick accounting of FBI and CIA agents who have been convicted of *any* kind of crime, the per cent would be much greater than .1.

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:38 PM (kD8Fh)

368 I've schooled lawyers before, but I'm not an attorney either.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:36 PM (U7Mh9)
I've helped them pay for their boats.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
-----

I can always tell when my dermatologist has a payment due on the Porsche.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:38 PM (U7Mh9)

369 307 I hate to do this, but wasnt Rush Limbaugh saying this was exactly what happened with the 1st Dossier as well? And he was saying it two years ago.
Posted by: Quilp at June 20, 2019 05:25 PM (Bf3hj)


Never hate the facts. Rush and Hannnity were both telling us this, with details.

Over 2 years ago.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 05:39 PM (sy5kK)

370 No, of course not. But Trump was never going to jail either.

We don't put presidents and ex-presidents in jail. But I do think and have thought all along that others will be indicted. There is no way to cover up what they did, especially the FISA abuse which is already largely in the open.

-------------------

sure, but put manafort in jail for the rest of his life, along with flynn and everyone else whose names we barely know.

The state of NY is publicly saying, they're going after everyone in trump admin once this presidency is over.

I think the left and right play by different rules.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 05:39 PM (JziUy)

371 If that were true why did Barr say a few weeks ago that Huber had been transferred to full-time work on the Hillary issues and he hoped to have that wrapped up soon?

What would be the point of sticking a team of federal prosecutors on a case that could never be charged?



Plenty of fish for an obstruction charge. Not all the destruction of evidence and perjury has timed out.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 05:39 PM (3e+65)

372 I mean I did answer the question honestly.

Posted by: DanMan at June 20, 2019 05:39 PM (XTiHL)

373 So in other words it's Mafioso...everyone has to be dirty, so that no one can peach.



There are... rumors that EVERYONE high up is involved with pedophilia. Lawyers, cops, politicians etc. Which is why it will never be stopped.

That being said, I don't believe Trump is in that club, which might be another reason they hate him.

Posted by: shibumi, eagerly awaiting SMOD and Ancient Aliens at June 20, 2019 05:40 PM (Cczdz)

374 Mr. Peebles: "Explains much, doesn't it?

Like why Trump has to be destroyed."


I typically recall this from The Godfather at this point:

Michael Corleone: My father is no different than any other powerful man, any man who is responsible for other people, like a senator or a president.
Kay Adams: You know how naive you sound?
Michael Corleone: Why?
Kay Adams: Senators and presidents don't have men killed.
Michael Corleone: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?


People of power abuse it. Not all, of course, but most, in some fashion. The Church of Government is as close to hell as any - assuredly closer.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 20, 2019 05:40 PM (6eEQ+)

375 From the point of view of Washington, Barr is gonna be a Black Swan Event. The kind of thing that they never predicted, could never have imagined would actually happen.

But I think that throughout human history, truly Honest Men have always been Black Swans. Which is why societies always hate them, even though they bend over backwards trying to pretend that they don't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2019 05:40 PM (Kpl3J)

376 >>>Before November, 2020, Donald J. Trump will issue a full and unconditional pardon for Barack Obama.

And people will go crazy.

It will be glorious.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:30 PM (cfSRQ)
-----------------------------------


That's about as close to perfect as one can get.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 05:40 PM (CFSlN)

377 I'm not an attorney! I'm a human being!

Posted by: Can't resist temptation man at June 20, 2019 05:40 PM (e46OR)

378 What would be the point of sticking a team of federal prosecutors on a case that could never be charged?
Posted by: JackStraw

They are usually called Blue Ribbon Commissions.

Posted by: Miklos, wishing he had a cold Pabst at June 20, 2019 05:40 PM (QzkSJ)

379 If they could've can put Trump in prison, they would have will . They would care not one bit how it would tear the country apart.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
-----

Edited. They're going to keep it up.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:40 PM (ZMWtN)

380 I heard one of Hannity's guests, can't recall who say that the IG report is being delayed because of whistleblowers who are now coming forward because they feel safe due to AG Barr leading the investigation.

That's what the guy said, John Solomon maybe, I don't recall. It was just the other night.

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:41 PM (kD8Fh)

381 364 The truck had a Knights of Columbus plate on the front.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Was already on it at the salvage auction.


Mexican #1 comes into the US, starts nailing roofing shingles for someone. Three years later he buys a truck and starts off on his own, picks up some day labor. Next year he buys another truck and hires someone to run it. After a few more years he's a pillar of his local Catholic church.

Posted by: JEM at June 20, 2019 05:41 PM (8erNz)

382 Hannity and his guests are in the habit of proclaiming: "99.9% of all FBI and CIA are honest, loyal public servants that would never be corrupted."

----

Keeping your head down until pension time is hardly what I would call "honest and loyal."

They're just as guilty.

They're all going to the same Hell.

Posted by: RKae at June 20, 2019 05:41 PM (lk1TJ)

383 the reasonable deception doctrine. Though, the deception must be "reasonable," whatever that might mean. (And it can mean most things.)
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 05:06 PM (PbpT7)

- - - - - - - -

Avoiding being charged seems reasonable to me.

Posted by: Decaf at June 20, 2019 05:42 PM (nyFJf)

384 There is a miasma of criminality emanating from the FBI. Some people are going to choke when it all comes out.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 05:42 PM (3e+65)

385 There are... rumors that EVERYONE high up is involved with pedophilia. Lawyers, cops, politicians etc. Which is why it will never be stopped.

I doubt its universal, but its probably widespread enough as to be effectively so. And not like babies, but underage girls and boys, for sure. Tweens, teens. Drugs too. And NXIVM style slavery. I'm guessing if you saw the details of that infamous congressional payoff ledger, more than half of the people involved would be under the age of 16.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:42 PM (39g3+)

386 The story about the asshole judge who doesn't pay gets better.

I asked cousin: How in fuck did you end up doing work for that cunt? "so and so referred me."

Turns out "so and so" is a fricking PROCURER who leads unsuspecting contractor lambs to the slaughter of this cunt judge in Delaware County PA who by the way happens to be Republican.

Yep, a typical GOPe, swamp denizen, etc. etc.

So the little twat procurer was most likely involved in any number of scams that he "bought" protection from the judge by sending him contractors to do good work on his property for FREE.
=============
Dude, 25 years ago, right down the street, a judges bailiff was arrested and convicted of running a prostitution ring from the judges office. That's right. Bailiff was an ACTUAL Procurer. A PIMP.

Like I said, I could tell you some amazing stories.

Posted by: simplemind at June 20, 2019 05:43 PM (s6xyo)

387 There are... rumors that EVERYONE high up is involved with pedophilia. Lawyers, cops, politicians etc. Which is why it will never be stopped.

That being said, I don't believe Trump is in that club, which might be another reason they hate him.
Posted by: shibumi, eagerly awaiting SMOD and Ancient Aliens

---

I'm totally onboard with that theory.

Posted by: RKae at June 20, 2019 05:43 PM (lk1TJ)

388 I think the left and right play by different rules.
Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 05:39 PM (JziUy)

Over the last 20 or 30 years, the Left has played by rules which would lead them to domination step by step. The right hasn't really played by any rules at all, they've just wandered around acting stupid while their "leaders" have all been taking big payoffs on the side.

Politics is just like war - you either play to win, period, or you're not really playing at all, you're just going through the motions to collect a paycheck.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2019 05:43 PM (Kpl3J)

389 Can you buy soap on a rope off Amazon? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Andy McCabe at June 20, 2019 05:43 PM (BRpqW)

390 Throw a half dozen of these conspirators in the big house and reelection of President Trump is a sure thing.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 05:43 PM (BbGew)

391 Hannity and his guests are in the habit of proclaiming: "99.9% of all FBI and CIA are honest, loyal public servants that would never be corrupted."

O RLY?? How did you arrive at that number? I betcha five bucks if you did a quick accounting of FBI and CIA agents who have been convicted of *any* kind of crime, the per cent would be much greater than .1.

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:38 PM (kD8Fh)
++++++++++
I reckon that >0.01% of *any* profession is dishonest - and most professions come without power.

Gimmie a break.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:43 PM (I2dne)

392 If Obama were pardoned, he couldn't plead the Fifth, could he?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 20, 2019 05:44 PM (oVJmc)

393 There are... rumors that EVERYONE high up is involved with pedophilia. Lawyers, cops, politicians etc. Which is why it will never be stopped.

That being said, I don't believe Trump is in that club, which might be another reason they hate him.
Posted by: shibumi, eagerly awaiting SMOD and Ancient Aliens

-----

And also: I think this is why Robert DeNiro is so frothing hateful of Trump.

DeNiro is a perv of pervs.

Posted by: RKae at June 20, 2019 05:44 PM (lk1TJ)

394 366 If they could've put Trump in prison, they would have. They would care not one bit how it would tear the country apart.

----

I think we've seen how much tearing the country goes through, none. Every hill conservatives have wanted to fight for has gone undefended, now enjoy your mandatory ghey celebrating while cheering for trannies in women's sports lest we deplatform you

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 05:44 PM (JziUy)

395 379 If they could've can put Trump in prison, they would have will . They would care not one bit how it would tear the country apart.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
-----

Edited. They're going to keep it up.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:40 PM (ZMWtN)

That will start the music

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 05:44 PM (bcbK8)

396 I reckon that >0.01% of *any* profession is dishonest


I make it one in five.


Dairymen excepted.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 05:45 PM (3e+65)

397 Before November, 2020, Donald J. Trump will issue a full and unconditional pardon for Barack Obama.

And people will go crazy.

It will be glorious.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:30 PM (cfSRQ)
-----------------------------------


That's about as close to perfect as one can get.
======
You know who will really go crazy.
...

Yep.

Hillary. Because she's hangin in the breeze.

Posted by: simplemind at June 20, 2019 05:45 PM (sYwhE)

398 People of power abuse it. Not all, of course, but most, in some fashion.

The proper quote (which people mangle all the time) is "power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

I found later I could have had my ass handed to me for impersonating an officer of the court.

Hey, you were just there to defend your wife, as any husband should.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:45 PM (39g3+)

399
heard one of Hannity's guests, can't recall who say that the IG report is being delayed because of whistleblowers who are now coming forward because they feel safe due to AG Barr leading the investigation.


Get the report out and let the whistleblowers tell their story to DoJ investigators.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 20, 2019 05:45 PM (TAmPV)

400 >>>I did have some legal training, but I'm not an attorney.
<<<

When Whitey Bulger was pinched, he also received some legal training. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Lord Comey at June 20, 2019 05:45 PM (kLDv+)

401 right, as if the left cares at all. Meanwhile, the right may care about something, but it doesn't matter because we'll lose and do nothing

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 05:45 PM (JziUy)

402 Prison Break!

Posted by: Temple of Balschaef at June 20, 2019 05:46 PM (v0R5T)

403
Dude, 25 years ago, right down the street, a judges bailiff was arrested and convicted of running a prostitution ring from the judges office. That's right. Bailiff was an ACTUAL Procurer. A PIMP.

Like I said, I could tell you some amazing stories.



Barney Fwank's boyfriend.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 20, 2019 05:46 PM (oVJmc)

404 >>sure, but put manafort in jail for the rest of his life, along with flynn and everyone else whose names we barely know.

>>The state of NY is publicly saying, they're going after everyone in trump admin once this presidency is over.

>>I think the left and right play by different rules.


I want a show of hands. How many of you have lost 1 minute of sleep over Manafort?

That's what I thought. He is the ultimate swamp creature, taking 10s of millions from Russians and Ukrainians to influence our government policy. A tax cheat and an all around scumbag.

I'm not defending his treatment but the "poor Manafort" stuff is a bit much. He is the epitome of the kind of DC scum Trump said he was going to go after. Why he had him on his campaign at all is a mystery. It's likely he was put there just to get close to Trump and Trump didn't know better.

The Flynn case has bothered me from day 1. This was the former head of the DIA, one of our top spooks, and somehow he didn't know his calls with the Russian ambassador were tapped? Really.

He's still not in jail for lying to the FBI long after he pled guilty. It's just delay after delay. Something does not add up.

Yea, I know that the left plays by different rules. That only started before I was born. I want to see justice as much as anyone but that doesn't change the fact that we don't stick our presidents in jail.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:46 PM (PxX58)

405 I make it one in five.

Dairymen excepted.


"Hey, he told me he was legal and had papers, honest I thought he was legal!" *wink wink*

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:46 PM (39g3+)

406 186 The only things required to make such a scheme work are:
* Credulity and a healthy dose of bias confirmation
* Loose inter-agency alignment on who the enemies are
* Corrupt and dishonest officials
* Judges who trust the institutions bringing them warrant requests.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 04:41 PM (I2dne)
---------------------

Except the last point about judges has been proven bogus.

The FISA court by now, specifically every secret judge, has heard the details of the lies the FBI used to get the warrants approved.

What I have heard is that any Federal judge who learned they were lied to, would haul their azzes back into court and the truth would be found.

There have been *zero* persons hauled back into any court.

The FISA judges that issued these warrants are either:

dumber than rocks,

completely ignorant of news over the last 3 years, or

a willing part of the FISA Scam.


After 3 years, I believe the last option is the correct option.

The FISA court is a corrupt as f*** court. They are proving it daily.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 05:46 PM (sy5kK)

407 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:42 PM (39g3+)

If one starts to search around on the interwebs, so much disturbing material regarding this subject surfaces.

I was on an alternative to YouTube, landed on a videotaped interview of investigators describing how powerful men (including judges) prey on young runaway boys, using them for sadistic torture sex, in some cases killing them. This interview was from 1981.

There is another case from the early 1990s that was reported in US News and World Report. A citizen noticed a guy in a public park with a bunch of kids who looked disheveled and unkempt, thought it was odd and called the police. The cops raided this guy's home and pulled out garbage bags full of evidence.


Guess who called the local police to squash the investigation? None other than Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity mob.

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:47 PM (kD8Fh)

408 Throw a half dozen of these conspirators in the big house and reelection of President Trump is a sure thing.
Posted by: Skip

Especially if some are journos. Like the ones who gave sports tickets etc. to FBI people.

Posted by: Miklos, wishing he had a Get Out of jail Free card at June 20, 2019 05:47 PM (QzkSJ)

409 >>I heard one of Hannity's guests, can't recall who say that the IG report is being delayed because of whistleblowers who are now coming forward because they feel safe due to AG Barr leading the investigation.

Mark Meadows.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:47 PM (PxX58)

410 392
If Obama were pardoned, he couldn't plead the Fifth, could he?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 20, 2019 05:44 PM (oVJmc)

---
Interesting angle. Problem is, the pardon would also cover perjury.

It's actually stickier than a conviction. Convictions can be overturned, but pardons can't.

What's he gonna do, run around saying he doesn't deserve it?

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:48 PM (cfSRQ)

411 True story, I quit a great job in IT after two weeks when I witnessed the owner do something that I had never seen in my previous twenty years of work: straight up lie to a customer. I had seen people spin, or put the best face on problems, or handwave, but I had never seen someone tell a customer something that they knew was false. This made me assume that every promise they had made to me was, at least very potentially, a lie.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 05:48 PM (3e+65)

412 now enjoy your mandatory ghey celebrating while cheering for trannies in women's sports lest we deplatform you

Governor of Oregon just signed a bill adding "sexual identity" to the list of hate crimes protections.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:48 PM (39g3+)

413 The FISA judges that issued these warrants are either:
dumber than rocks, completely ignorant of news over the last 3 years, or a willing part of the FISA Scam.

After 3 years, I believe the last option is the correct option.
The FISA court is a corrupt as f*** court. They are proving it daily.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 05:46 PM (sy5kK)
++++++++
The FISA court is almost certainly corrupt to its core. They trust the people bringing them things because they can't be bothered not to. Some are certainly in on the scam. The rest don't care to expose it and just sign the papers - they may not be in on directly, but they also don't care.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:48 PM (I2dne)

414 ever get pulled over, no matter how fast they are driving, or how badly they are weaving due to alcohol.

That goes away once you actually wreck in a lot of places.

Posted by: DaveA at June 20, 2019 05:48 PM (FhXTo)

415 390 Throw a half dozen of these conspirators in the big house


Visions of Trump and Xi on the upper tier tossing bologna sandwiches to them.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 05:48 PM (CFSlN)

416 Back in the late 70's or early 80's, in my Ohio home town, one of the judges popped a DUI. Some handy obscure law said he was to be tried by a panel of his fellow judges.The dui and all charges were thrown out because drunk judge said he was dodging puddles so as not to dirty his freshly washed car, and the cops had no grounds to pull him over.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 20, 2019 05:49 PM (C1Lsn)

417 Very nice view of booster and fairing separation. It launched at sunset local time, and the darkening sky makes for better views, weather permitting of course.

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 05:49 PM (xjiRE)

418 The right hasn't really played by any rules at all, they've just wandered around acting stupid

Not acting stupid, they are terrified little bitches. You think Jeff Sessions wanted to get the Paul Manafort treatment? Hell no, that's why he laid down like a good little bitch and showed Comey et al his ass.

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:49 PM (kD8Fh)

419 Why he had him on his campaign at all is a mystery.


Manafort was brought into the Trump campaign when the "unfaithful delegate" was supposed to be a thing at the Republican Convention.

Posted by: Miklos, not an RNC member at June 20, 2019 05:49 PM (QzkSJ)

420 412 now enjoy your mandatory ghey celebrating while cheering for trannies in women's sports lest we deplatform you

Governor of Oregon just signed a bill adding "sexual identity" to the list of hate crimes protections.

-----------

to be enforced by our antifa head bashers, you nazzzi

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 05:49 PM (JziUy)

421 "There are... rumors that EVERYONE high up is involved with pedophilia."

It's the glue that binds. I hate to say or think that but there's too much anecdotal evidence for it to be false

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 20, 2019 05:49 PM (j5RRD)

422 I think Flynn is bent. How, I don't know. I could be wrong but he smells bad.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 05:49 PM (bcbK8)

423 Prison Break!
Posted by: Temple of Balschaef
---------

Attica! Attica! Attica!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (2kj6M)

424
The Deep State use thebiglie.
Thebigthebigthebig thebiglie.

(Think Hawaiian melody)

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (LGo6U)

425
Why, it's an entire city of mendacity, falsehoods and slight-of-hand dodges! You'd think that prosecutions would be warranted.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (pNxlR)

426 I wouldn't say everyone. I'd say critical mass

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (j5RRD)

427 The FISA judges that issued these warrants are either:

dumber than rocks,

completely ignorant of news over the last 3 years, or

a willing part of the FISA Scam.


I think its more that the purpose of FISA is to weed out completely insane and excessive requests only, and expedite the spying on American citizens. That they view their job not to restrict, but to protect these investigations.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (39g3+)

428 Obama can always go live on one of his BFF Richard Branson's South African properties:

https://tinyurl.com/y4da5tcx

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (ptqGC)

429 Interesting angle. Problem is, the pardon would also cover perjury.


Not going forward.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (oVJmc)

430 "There are... rumors that EVERYONE high up is involved with pedophilia."

It's the glue that binds.



Like cannibalism. H/T Lucifer's Hammer.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (3e+65)

431 >>>410 392
If Obama were pardoned, he couldn't plead the Fifth, could he?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 20, 2019 05:44 PM (oVJmc)
-----------


You're excused, you can't plead anything.
Blood will be squirting from all the liberals open parts.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (CFSlN)

432 >>Manafort was brought into the Trump campaign when the "unfaithful delegate" was supposed to be a thing at the Republican Convention.

I know what the excuse was. I want to know how Manafort in particular got onto the campaign.

He was under FISA surveillance for years and up to his ass in deals with Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs. I don't believe in coincidences.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (PxX58)

433 Not acting stupid, they are terrified little bitches. You think Jeff Sessions wanted to get the Paul Manafort treatment? Hell no, that's why he laid down like a good little bitch and showed Comey et al his ass.

----

ironic considering his actions led to rosie giving mueller all the freedom to operate a witchhunt. If sessions had said, "nah broskies, having a russian ambassador talk to me does not count as a disqualification," OR "I think I'll stay in the senate because I may recuse", the last 2 years would've been compeltely different.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (JziUy)

434 I'm not defending his treatment but the "poor
Manafort" stuff is a bit much. He is the epitome of the kind of DC scum
Trump said he was going to go after. Why he had him on his campaign at
all is a mystery.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:46 PM (PxX5


Manafort was one of the few people who'd been active in a divided convention. That was his area of expertise. When the convention came together, his usefulness was over.

It's funny how they talk of him as if he spent more than a couple of weeks on the campaign. He was a specialist brought in for a job, never a close confidant.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (cfSRQ)

435 I think its more that the purpose of FISA is to weed out completely insane and excessive requests only, and expedite the spying on American citizens. That they view their job not to restrict, but to protect these investigations.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (39g3+)
+++++++++++
The FISA was a catastrophically bad piece of legislation, as was PATRIOT.

Congress can fix both.

Okay, I have a good deadpan but not even I can say that last part with a straight face...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (I2dne)

436 Popehat is one of the loon prosecutor, Patterico's, circle jerk partners in legal dumbfuckery. I don't think they have a functioning cortex between them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (y7DUB)

437 The FISA judges that issued these warrants are either:

Also-

Cocktail party buddies of, let's say, Strzok.

Posted by: Rudolph Contreras at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (QzkSJ)

438 From what I understand the way things get done in Washington is 5% procedure and 95% deals made in cocktail parties and black tie events. The GOP is good at these events and wants to maintain the ability to do things in them. The Democrats are willing to do these, make deals, then betray them at the first opportunity.

The Republicans think they won't be able to get anything done if they betray that system. The Democrats know that the GOP will put up with anything to maintain it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:52 PM (39g3+)

439 I ran out to get Tito's before the storms hit, and missed some good threads.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:52 PM (ptqGC)

440 428 Obama can always go live on one of his BFF Richard Branson's South African properties:

https://tinyurl.com/y4da5tcx
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (ptqGC)

That pic couldn't possibly be any gayer.

Posted by: Jordan61, PNW MoMe Survivor & Awesome Mug Winner! at June 20, 2019 05:52 PM (Ez6QX)

441 That pic couldn't possibly be any gayer.
Posted by: Jordan61, PNW MoMe Survivor & Awesome Mug Winner! at June 20, 2019 05:52 PM (Ez6QX)
+++++++++++
I could find a way!

Posted by: Shep! at June 20, 2019 05:53 PM (I2dne)

442 I don't believe in coincidences.
Posted by: JackStraw


Struck from the jury pool!

Posted by: the People vs. Clinton at June 20, 2019 05:53 PM (QzkSJ)

443 436 Popehat is one of the loon prosecutor, Patterico's, circle jerk partners in legal dumbfuckery. I don't think they have a functioning cortex between them.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (y7DUB)

Toss Gabe on that pile. Then light the pile on fire.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo at June 20, 2019 05:53 PM (bcbK8)

444 I'm not defending his treatment but the "poor
Manafort" stuff is a bit much. He is the epitome of the kind of DC scum
Trump said he was going to go after. Why he had him on his campaign at
all is a mystery.
Posted by: JackStraw
-----------

The issue isn't Manafort, the issue is prosecutorial abuse.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:53 PM (/dN1M)

445 Hey, you were just there to defend your wife, as any husband should.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:45 PM (39g3+)


exactly how I saw it since she can't do maf unless there's a dollar sign in front of the numbers, I really didn't know I was not supposed to do that. Maybe the judge knew what was happening.

Posted by: DanMan at June 20, 2019 05:54 PM (XTiHL)

446 Manafort was one of the few people who'd been active in a divided convention. That was his area of expertise. When the convention came together, his usefulness was over.

It's funny how they talk of him as if he spent more than a couple of weeks on the campaign. He was a specialist brought in for a job, never a close confidant.
Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (cfSRQ)


I said from the get go there was no fucking way Trump would tell anything personally compromising to Manafort; even if something existed he had no need to know.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 20, 2019 05:54 PM (y7DUB)

447 Obama can always go live on one of his BFF Richard Branson's South African properties:



https://tinyurl.com/y4da5tcx

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (ptqGC)



That pic couldn't possibly be any gayer.

Posted by: Jordan61, PNW MoMe Survivor Awesome Mug Winner! at June 20, 2019 05:52 PM (Ez6QX)


Earlier, someone suggested Cory Booker for preezy, because first black AND gay preezy.


Nope. Been there, done that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:54 PM (ptqGC)

448 Obama can always go live on one of his BFF Richard Branson's South African properties:

https://tinyurl.com/y4da5tcx
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (ptqGC)

That pic couldn't possibly be any gayer.
=====
Well, it is frightfully gay. But things can always get worse. For example what if (waits for the horde to fill in the blank)

Posted by: simplemind at June 20, 2019 05:54 PM (sYwhE)

449 https://tinyurl.com/y4da5tcx
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (ptqGC)

That pic couldn't possibly be any gayer.
Posted by: Jordan61

Vanilla/fudge

Posted by: Miklos, Happy Hour Again at June 20, 2019 05:54 PM (QzkSJ)

450 >> "There are... rumors that EVERYONE high up is involved with pedophilia."


That's retarded, sir.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 05:54 PM (+Tq+1)

451 Speaking of legal bullshit, Oberlin has issued FAQ that are complete bullshit.

https://bit.ly/2ItRczR

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 20, 2019 05:54 PM (+y/Ru)

452
Like cannibalism. H/T Lucifer's Hammer.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 05:51 PM (3e+65)


Pedosta has a painting of a cannibal in his office. Let me go find the link...

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:55 PM (kD8Fh)

453 If only there existed a group of people to investigate things and report out what they found. Nah.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 20, 2019 05:55 PM (gC2IV)

454
440 428 Obama can always go live on one of his BFF Richard Branson's South African properties:

https://tinyurl.com/y4da5tcx
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (ptqGC)

That pic couldn't possibly be any gayer.
Posted by: Jordan61, PNW MoMe Survivor & Awesome Mug Winner! at June 20, 2019 05:52 PM (Ez6QX)


"Swallow it! Swallow it!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 20, 2019 05:55 PM (pNxlR)

455 Richard Branson's name has come up with the sex ring. He, too, has a private island.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:55 PM (ptqGC)

456 Lets say you know that Senators X, Y, and Z are pedos, that they literally take little girls and boys to bed and abuse them. Let's say you go to a house party and drugged, miserable little half naked 11 year old girls and boys are serving the drinks and being taken up to special rooms. Even if you are horrified and disgusted by that, do you turn in the Supreme Court Judge, the NSA cheif, the generals and admirals, the congressmen and captains of industry you see doing this? And who'd believe you anyway? Even if you survived the trip to the police station?

And by saying and doing nothing, witnessing all that, now you're in on it. And you can't do anything.

I believe more than ever that's how half of DC works. Maybe more than half.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:55 PM (39g3+)

457 Comments at The Hill are majority: Manafort was found guilty by a jury, why didn't his lawyers submit this as evidence, the Piss Dossier is largely verified, 100+ contacts between Trump transition team and Russians, blah blah blah like robots.

Who are these people? Paid agitators? Swamp dwellers who like the status quo? Who the fuck are they?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 20, 2019 05:56 PM (wqE+m)

458 >> I don't believe in coincidences.


At least, not the Big Ones.

Posted by: Rava at June 20, 2019 05:56 PM (+Tq+1)

459 Not acting stupid, they are terrified little
bitches. You think Jeff Sessions wanted to get the Paul Manafort
treatment? Hell no, that's why he laid down like a good little bitch and
showed Comey et al his ass.

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:49 PM (kD8Fh)

---
I think Sessions was blind-sided by the fury directed at him and Trump. I don't get how people can talk about this being "breathtaking corruption" or "unprecedented" and yet expect the actual people caught up in it to take it in stride or accept it as somehow normal.

Sessions got rolled. Most of us would have done exactly the same thing. He was an Establishment guy who figured the old rules still applied. He simply wasn't equipped for the New Normal.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 05:56 PM (cfSRQ)

460 Is there a reason not to throw out every single FBI conviction?

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 05:56 PM (TQyCa)

461 >>The issue isn't Manafort, the issue is prosecutorial abuse.

Which is why I said I'm not defending his treatment.

I doubt anyone would care if McCabe or Brennan got the exact same treatment.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:56 PM (PxX58)

462
obama will be mort before 60. Bad genes.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 20, 2019 05:56 PM (a/ctn)

463
John Pedosta painting, lent to him by his perv brother:

https://tinyurl.com/yyfna8qm

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2019 05:56 PM (kD8Fh)

464 >>>https://tinyurl.com/y4da5tcx

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (ptqGC)



That pic couldn't possibly be any gayer.<<<

It looks like Barry is getting prepared to fondle Branson's sloppy tits.

Posted by: Fritz at June 20, 2019 05:56 PM (kLDv+)

465 Is popehat off his meds again?

Posted by: dj3way at June 20, 2019 05:57 PM (bhPL1)

466
He's still not in jail for lying to the FBI long after he pled guilty. It's just delay after delay. Something does not add up.

Yea, I know that the left plays by different rules. That only started before I was born. I want to see justice as much as anyone but that doesn't change the fact that we don't stick our presidents in jail.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:46 PM (PxX5

Good news department:
Hillary was never a President.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 05:57 PM (sy5kK)

467 >>The issue isn't Manafort, the issue is prosecutorial abuse.

Which is why I said I'm not defending his treatment.

I doubt anyone would care if McCabe or Brennan got the exact same treatment.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:56 PM (PxX5


We can dream, but it will never happen.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:57 PM (ptqGC)

468 I read this article yesterday twice. It was not clear to me whether Manafort was improperly charged but properly tried or whether he is completely innocent.

My impression is that he could be entirely innocent but the article did not actually say that explicitly that I remember.


Posted by: Off the reservation at June 20, 2019 05:57 PM (vWMNq)

469 One of the single biggest lies told in mystery books and TV shows/movies is the "there are no coincidences" line that detectives continually spout.

Bullcrap. There are coincidences constantly. Its a useful device to get the plot to move forward to say that, because it prompts them to investigate the ridiculous but every detective alive will tell you they happen all the time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 05:57 PM (39g3+)

470 If Hillary were elected President, she'd be leading the charge to rout this shameful, shameful abuse of power.

Routing out corruption. President Clinton.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 20, 2019 05:58 PM (RRmRs)

471 Speaking of legal bullshit, Oberlin has issued FAQ that are complete bullshit.

https://bit.ly/2ItRczR
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 20, 2019 05:54 PM (+y/Ru)

++++++++++
While the below link to the FAQs gives you more details, cutting through the noise, this matter is about an incident that occurred at Gibson's Bakery which resulted in students choosing to protest. The students may have been right or they may have been wrong about the details surrounding the incident, but demonstrating is their constitutional right. As always, the College insisted that the demonstrations be supervised, to protect all sides and the entire community from violence and property damage. While we deeply value the jury's work, we do not believe that case law supports the jury's determination that Oberlin should be held liable for the speech and actions of its students. To do so is to erode a fundamental constitutional right.

Yowza. The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. The whipped up the "protest" and actively distributed defamatory lies. Even if the above were true, they still inserted themselves into the mess.

Oy.

Posted by: Shep! at June 20, 2019 05:58 PM (I2dne)

472 Who are these people? Paid agitators? Swamp dwellers who like the status quo? Who the fuck are they?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug

They found the Hill to lie on.

Posted by: Miklos, Happy Hours Again at June 20, 2019 05:58 PM (QzkSJ)

473 Joe Mannix (Not a cop!): "The rest don't care to expose it and just sign the papers - they may not be in on directly, but they also don't care."

And that final point is the nail in the coffin of my confidence for FISA Court. If they do not proactively protect the institution, they do not deserve its extension. There is explicit, obvious abuse and fraud in play in a legal carve out that possesses the most broad powers the Judicial Branch can acutely enact. And the judges, so far (and it has been long enough), have done nothing to publicly sanction any players. Conclusion: they are either in on it, care not enough to defend their own integrity, or cannot be trusted with operating it because derelict/lazy. There just isn't any other option here. The union of the Executive and Judicial created and then destroyed what could have been a useful tool. Now, it cannot be used. They simply lack the ethics and morality and so it must be removed.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 20, 2019 05:58 PM (6eEQ+)

474 Off newstalker sock

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:58 PM (I2dne)

475
Who are these people? Paid agitators? Swamp dwellers who like the status quo? Who the fuck are they?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
----------

Rachel Maddow groupies.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 05:58 PM (w54mS)

476 nood Cosko

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 05:59 PM (I2dne)

477 >>I heard one of Hannity's guests,
.........

You did?!
Were they saying something while Sean caught his breath?

Posted by: wth at June 20, 2019 05:59 PM (v0R5T)

478 ok manafort bad, but flynn, but caputo, but papadopalous, but page, but everyone else who spent $$$ in legal fees?

eventually, they'll hurt someone you do like.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 06:00 PM (JziUy)

479 440 428 Obama can always go live on one of his BFF Richard Branson's South African properties:

https://tinyurl.com/y4da5tcx
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 20, 2019 05:50 PM (ptqGC)

That pic couldn't possibly be any gayer.

Posted by: Jordan61, PNW MoMe Survivor

Posted by: Braenyard at June 20, 2019 06:00 PM (CFSlN)

480 Is there a reason not to throw out every single FBI conviction?

Well, that is the concern about digging too deeply into this. Between these shenanigans and the prosecutorial abuse that keeps cropping up (particularly under Obama) that gets cases thrown out, how many cases would actually stand up under close scrutiny? Just how fast and loose have they been playing for how long, to get the win?

Granted a lot of these guys are genuinely horrible criminals -- Manfort is no peach for example -- but what rules did they break, how far did they go violating the law to nail their targets, knowing nobody was looking closely and they are essentially unaccountable?

And if people dig into this very far, how many gang bangers, mobsters, kidnappers, etc go free because it all comes unraveled?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 06:00 PM (39g3+)

481 422 I think Flynn is bent. How, I don't know. I could be wrong but he smells bad."

We defend Flynn, because it's true that he was very unfairly set up, but the work he did for Erdogan never has set right with me.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2019 06:00 PM (Kpl3J)

482
Who else is sick of John Bolton's shit?

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 20, 2019 06:01 PM (a/ctn)

483

nioood


proceed

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 20, 2019 06:02 PM (a/ctn)

484 And if people dig into this very far, how many gang bangers, mobsters, kidnappers, etc go free because it all comes unraveled?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 06:00 PM (39g3+)
++++++++++
Probably somewhere between "some" and "many."

Maybe don't shit in your own bed if you don't want that to happen.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 20, 2019 06:02 PM (I2dne)

485 We defend Flynn, because it's true that he was very
unfairly set up, but the work he did for Erdogan never has set right
with me.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2019 06:00 PM (Kpl3J)

And...I don't think Flynn is particularly bright. Too much of what I have read had me scratching my head and wondering what the fvck he was thinking.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 20, 2019 06:03 PM (wYseH)

486 There will be no IG reports made public. Neither will any DOJ report/investigation be revealed. No one will be indicted, tried, or jailed. Everyone will complete their career tenor and retire with full pension. No one involved in this corruption will pay any consequences.

This country has been fundamentally transformed.

Posted by: Sooner at June 20, 2019 06:04 PM (FM2NJ)

487 For an adult, Podesta sure had a lot of "Pizza Parties". I just checked and I have not once not ever emailed anyone about a pizza party. Come to think of it, I stopped going to pizza parties, when I was 12, before email existed.

Posted by: ... at June 20, 2019 06:04 PM (uEbPt)

488 Maybe don't shit in your own bed if you don't want that to happen.

Certainly that's the answer. Its just something I bet that people in charge are considering.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 06:05 PM (39g3+)

489 If Trump pardons Manafort, he could use the defense to have the material thrown out at the state level. His federal pleas would not have the same overarching effect. Worth a try I would say.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 20, 2019 06:14 PM (/Fmtj)

490 The guy has that chomo look about him.

Posted by: Drider at June 20, 2019 06:29 PM (Sr/4K)

491 And it seems to me that Republicans seem to be the only people honoring this unspoken agreement, because Democrats ROUTINELY seek to prosecute Republicans.
------------
Hence lefties love throwing out the "indictment" stats for the parties/administrations over the last 50 years. If you believe them (and I have no idea), it's something like 100 to 3.

Posted by: ... at June 20, 2019 06:34 PM (uEbPt)

492 466
He's still not in jail for lying to the FBI long after he pled guilty. It's just delay after delay. Something does not add up.

Yea, I know that the left plays by different rules. That only started before I was born. I want to see justice as much as anyone but that doesn't change the fact that we don't stick our presidents in jail.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 05:46 PM (PxX5

Good news department:
Hillary was never a President.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

Manafort is one of the people to be thanked for that.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 20, 2019 06:37 PM (/Fmtj)

493 But don't you get caught making two, 5,000 cash withdrawals from your own bank account in the same week.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 20, 2019 07:09 PM (SqopC)

494 ------------
Hence lefties love throwing out the "indictment" stats for the parties/administrations over the last 50 years. If you believe them (and I have no idea), it's something like 100 to 3.
Posted by: ...
----------

THAT is BS. I've looked at the numbers for Dem vs. Rep mayors jailed/imprisoned, since 1985. If I recollect the score is Dems - 39, Reps - 3.

I've heard it rumored, and I believe it, that among registered voters jailed, 85% are registered Dem.

We have a list of Dem politicians here in NC that have been jailed. The governor, House Speaker, Mayor of Charlotte, just to hit the high spots.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 07:24 PM (/dN1M)

495 Probably too late to comment, but I've gotten a couple hundred search warrants over the years and one thing the courts and case law are really strict about is second hand hearsay. Under the Aguilar and Spinelli rules, the affiant must show why the information in the affidavit is reliable and credible, meaning the source must be reliable and the judge must understand the "basis for belief." Why does the affiant believe the information from the source to be true and correct?
There's no way an agent could go to court and say "I've got probable cause because I read it in the newspaper." That's double hearsay and the judge should properly say back, "Fine, I believe you, but why should I believe the newspaper reporter, who got the information from who knows where?" Aguilar and Spinelli have been (mostly) superseded by Gates v. Illinois, but the principle is still the same. There has to be a good faith basis to believe the information from the source is timely, accurate, and legal. No way this should have gotten past the AUSA reviewing it much less the judge.

Posted by: Mongoose at June 20, 2019 07:25 PM (AeNGk)

496 But don't you get caught making two, 5,000 cash withdrawals from your own bank account in the same week.
Posted by: xnycpeasant
----------

Or deposits.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 07:25 PM (/dN1M)

497 All you folks giving Jack Straw shit are forgetting he predicted almost all of this.

We are on the upswing. I dont believe for one second that Barr Durham are going to whistle dixie past this dumpster fire.

Stay patient folks. Keep the faith.

...and for god's sake, if you feel the need to post "nothing will ever happen!!!", remember, things are different now with Trump.

Posted by: Getcha Pull at June 20, 2019 08:01 PM (NxIci)

498 Everybody gets a Dossier!

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 20, 2019 09:18 PM (Ndje9)

499 Was it typed on a '73 Selectric?

Posted by: Dan Wrather at June 20, 2019 09:21 PM (Ndje9)

(Jump to top of page)






Processing 0.05, elapsed 0.06 seconds.
15 queries taking 0.0222 seconds, 508 records returned.
Page size 281 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.8 beta.



MuNuvians
MeeNuvians
Polls! Polls! Polls!

Real Clear Politics
Gallup
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat