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Gun Thread: Happy Father's Day!! [Weasel]
Moving along to other things...
What's wrong with this picture?
It's the same thing - only different!
I love the as-issued Garand so much, I bought this little sawed-off feller a few years ago when I had the opportunity. It's an M1 "Tanker" model chambered in .308 Winchester by Arlington Ord., sometime in the 1990's. A shortened Garand was a concept weapon during the latter days of WWII, but never made it into production. Although a small number of prototype rifles were assembled and evaluated by the War Department, they were never issued to troops for a variety of reasons. Instead, the "Tanker" model became a marketing ploy by several different importers much later and were assembled from parts likely returned from Korea or in some cases, the Philippines. Often looked down upon by the purist M1 collector, this rifle is a hell of a lot of fun to shoot, it's very accurate, and the fact that it isn't absolutely original doesn't bother me one little bit. Opinions and reports regarding the quality and functionality of the customization seem to be all over the place, with some importers doing a better job with the modification than others. The ones modified by Blue Sky were apparently very unreliable. I've never had a problem with this Arlington Ord., - it works flawlessly. It's such a popular idea that Fulton Armory is still making some very nice (and pricey!) examples today. So what do you think? Do you feel customizing a Garand is an affront to all that is good and decent, or does it look like fun to you too?
Well now let's see what else there is to talk about: Taking a road trip this summer anywhere near Springfield, MA? If you are, then a trip to the Springfield Armory National Historic Site and Museum is in order. The collection of weapons there is truly remarkable. If you are even remotely interested in firearms, it's worth a visit! For the armchair traveler, a searchable database of their collection can be found here and here.
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Happy father's day guys
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (BbGew)
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Dare I Hope?
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (2+QJR)
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Damn, Skippie!
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (2+QJR)
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Mmm, not much. A bit of .300 Savage reloading for my 99EG.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (k3g2v)
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Dare I Hope?
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (2+QJR)
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Hope is not warranted at this point!
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (2+QJR)
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Hope is not warranted at this point!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:02 PM (MVjcR)
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No warrants out for Hope. That's a good thing.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:05 PM (2+QJR)
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6 No warrants out for Hope. That's a good thing.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:05 PM (2+QJR)
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If your name is Hope!
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:05 PM (2+QJR)
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If your name is Hope!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (BbGew)
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I've got a pretty good relationship with my father, but the man has zero interest in guns. He's pretty much right down the line on gun control. We used to argue about it, but it got boring after a while.
He's not entirely ignorant of them - he trained on the M-14 when he was in the Army Reserve, but it's just not a thing we talk about.
He's not entirely ignorant of them - he trained on the M-14 when he was in the Army Reserve, but it's just not a thing we talk about.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (cfSRQ)
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Great thread as always, Weasel. Thanks!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (gC2IV)
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Of Note: I had an extracting issue with my Kimber.
Stripped the gun, pulled the extractor, degunked and lubed everything. (gun probably has 10K rounds through it before stripping.)
Ran my Kimber in IDPA and Steel challenge these last two Saturdays, without cleaning. (IDPA is about 120 rounds)
Total of around 350 rounds spread across two Saturdays of shooting and the gun performed flawlessly.
Gun is now clean and nesting comfortably in the gun safe.
Stripped the gun, pulled the extractor, degunked and lubed everything. (gun probably has 10K rounds through it before stripping.)
Ran my Kimber in IDPA and Steel challenge these last two Saturdays, without cleaning. (IDPA is about 120 rounds)
Total of around 350 rounds spread across two Saturdays of shooting and the gun performed flawlessly.
Gun is now clean and nesting comfortably in the gun safe.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (WEBkv)
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Well, Weasel. I suspect your collection would be an affront to modern liberalism. You must buy gun safes by the dozen.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (2+QJR)
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Sometimes called a 'Tanker' M1.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (Ou6XS)
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10 Great thread as always, Weasel. Thanks!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (gC2IV)
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Thanks Duke!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (gC2IV)
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Thanks Duke!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (MVjcR)
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Taking a road trip this summer anywhere near Springfield, MA? If you are, then a trip to the Springfield Armory National Historic Site and Museum is in order.
Oddly enough, I'm moving out to that neck of the woods in about a week. The museum is in my to do list very soon.
Oddly enough, I'm moving out to that neck of the woods in about a week. The museum is in my to do list very soon.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (Vzb0I)
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Did you go hunting or to the range with your dad? Did he teach you how to shoot?
My father was not one of the "do things with the kids" kind. He was a good man but his work was the most important thing to him.
Did you go hunting or to the range with your dad? Did he teach you how to shoot?
My father was not one of the "do things with the kids" kind. He was a good man but his work was the most important thing to him.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (Wx/+I)
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On another note: My Garand will be used in a high power match next Saturday.
I have to give up on the K31 until I get peep sights on it, as my eyes have finally deteriorated to the point I can't use the original sights any more. Darn it.
I have to give up on the K31 until I get peep sights on it, as my eyes have finally deteriorated to the point I can't use the original sights any more. Darn it.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 16, 2019 07:08 PM (WEBkv)
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Solo?
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:08 PM (KEX6Y)
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Putting lamb chops on the grill. BBL.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (2+QJR)
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My Colt Trooper was my first firearm, flawless operation, kept cleaned and oiled not much can go wrong.
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (BbGew)
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Maybe mom and dad divorced when I was 4. But somewhere my mom has a picture of my dad behind me with his arms holding my hands holding his service 45.
I'd like to find that.
I'd like to find that.
Posted by: US Navy at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (VPncT)
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And some of my best memories of the dad are the time we spent at the range. I have since, unfortunately, inherited a great gun collection.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (Vzb0I)
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Well, Weasel. I suspect your collection would be an affront to modern liberalism. You must buy gun safes by the dozen.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (2+QJR)
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Ha! Yeah, well I have a few!
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (2+QJR)
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Ha! Yeah, well I have a few!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)
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My not maybe
Posted by: US Navy at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (VPncT)
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Wish Mom hadn't sold Dad's Garand.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:10 PM (kQs4Y)
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Happy Father's Day all!!!
Alas, another week with no range time. I need a spanking. I'll be there this week though, as next week I'm disappearing into the Texas interior for a week and don't want to be too rusty in case some animal decides to tell me I'm not welcome.
Haven't gone camping since the 1980's. Looking forward to it.
Alas, another week with no range time. I need a spanking. I'll be there this week though, as next week I'm disappearing into the Texas interior for a week and don't want to be too rusty in case some animal decides to tell me I'm not welcome.
Haven't gone camping since the 1980's. Looking forward to it.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (sW6FL)
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I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (fuK7c)
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Oddly enough, I'm moving out to that neck of the woods in about a week. The museum is in my to do list very soon.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (Vzb0I)
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You will not be disappointed! Also, there is a very good Italian restaurant in town not far from the museum.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (Vzb0I)
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You will not be disappointed! Also, there is a very good Italian restaurant in town not far from the museum.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)
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Wish Mom hadn't sold Dad's Garand.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:10 PM (kQs4Y)
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I'll bet he was pissed.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:10 PM (kQs4Y)
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I'll bet he was pissed.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (9SkN+)
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Over in a neighboring (30 miles) town yesterday,I stopped in at the local gun shop, and across the street at a GI surplus store.
At the gun shop I handled a Glock 42, which I had not before. Nice enough, certainly would make a good carry piece.
The other item I handled was a Sig P365. Wow...did it feel good. Never have fired either, but that Sig just felt right.
At the gun shop I handled a Glock 42, which I had not before. Nice enough, certainly would make a good carry piece.
The other item I handled was a Sig P365. Wow...did it feel good. Never have fired either, but that Sig just felt right.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:12 PM (U7Mh9)
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Wow old sock. Definitely not US Navy
Posted by: blaster at June 16, 2019 07:12 PM (VPncT)
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I love my dad. I really do. But he was not the guy who taught me to shoot. Dad is a Marine. He knows how to shoot.
But aside from a brief period of my childhood when he hunted elk and deer, it simply did not interest him.
My best friend's dad taught me to shoot. Jim's dad had an arsenal that was mind-boggling, and a lot of those guns were collector pieces.
I once shot a single shot breech-loaded 45-70 with an octagonal barrel. Kick-ass.
But aside from a brief period of my childhood when he hunted elk and deer, it simply did not interest him.
My best friend's dad taught me to shoot. Jim's dad had an arsenal that was mind-boggling, and a lot of those guns were collector pieces.
I once shot a single shot breech-loaded 45-70 with an octagonal barrel. Kick-ass.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 07:12 PM (SUV+r)
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This is gonna drive me nuts. Ok, short drive. Anyway, I spent two years at Marine Barracks 8th & I, drilling with the Garand. For the life of me, I can't remember what the slings were made of or what color. I want to say black leather. To be fair, it was 1985, so...
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (gC2IV)
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Also, there is a very good Italian restaurant in town not far from the museum.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM
Hmm....name?
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM
Hmm....name?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (Vzb0I)
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I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Sling
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Sling
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (U7Mh9)
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dros'd two new (to us) shotguns this week.
both are Ducks Unlimited guns, which Resident Evil has decided we should collect.
also found the first gun to buy with my 03 FFL: a 1954 Ruger Mk 1.
my guy also asked his ATF guy about marking the guns in my safe as "not for sale": apparently, since i am not a gub store, nor engaged in selling them, i don't have to worry about it.
i'd still like to have that in writing though.
both are Ducks Unlimited guns, which Resident Evil has decided we should collect.
also found the first gun to buy with my 03 FFL: a 1954 Ruger Mk 1.
my guy also asked his ATF guy about marking the guns in my safe as "not for sale": apparently, since i am not a gub store, nor engaged in selling them, i don't have to worry about it.
i'd still like to have that in writing though.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (KEX6Y)
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Nah, never shot with my dad. We were a daughter-only family and what interest I showed was politely but firmly discouraged. Couldn't join the HS rifle team either; no girls allowed. This was the 60s.
Was at the trap range about 10 days ago; didn't do very well. I wear bifocals and I seemed to keep hitting that fuzzy zone between "near" and "far" when aiming for the clays. What I really need to do is get some dedicated shooting glasses, for distance only.
Was at the trap range about 10 days ago; didn't do very well. I wear bifocals and I seemed to keep hitting that fuzzy zone between "near" and "far" when aiming for the clays. What I really need to do is get some dedicated shooting glasses, for distance only.
Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (S6ArX)
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35 I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Sling? We don' need no steekeeng sling.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Sling? We don' need no steekeeng sling.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (9SkN+)
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Springfield, MA - I did some subdivision work there. One unusual thing was the property corners set in the historic areas are not iron pipe, but old gun barrels.
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (K1IUD)
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Sling
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (fuK7c)
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sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (fuK7c)
A rifle holderupper.
Der hey!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (fuK7c)
A rifle holderupper.
Der hey!
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (SUV+r)
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Now onto the fun! I went out the range yesterday and burned through a bunch of ammo with wife, Middle Daughter and two of her friends.
Weapons employed: Walther PK380, SigSauer Mosquito, Walther PPQ, HK P2000, DMPS Oracle (Barebones AR-15), and Beretta CX-4 Storm (Carbine).
I also brought my Webley Mk VI and put 12 rounds through it. I'm getting a feel for how the sights line up, and got a tolerable group at 10 yards, though it was low and to the left of center.
The girls started on the PK380 until it ran out of ammo. Results were mixed. We then moved to the PPQ, which performed better, and the Mosquito came into play. I got out the HK but only fired a few rounds through it before everyone decided to give the long weapons a turn.
As it turned out, I ended up using the AR exclusively and everyone else played with the Beretta Storm, which they enjoyed immensely. We were shooting at 25 yards with a seat and rest and it has a red-dot optic, so that helped them build some nice groups.
The AR was a little more finicky because I haven't fully broken it in, but I got decent results. The glass on it is a little low but centered. I think next weekend I'll range it in at 50 yards and see how I do. I don't think it's had more than 100 rounds through it and it's past time for me to put it through the paces.
Tragically, on the way home we did an impromptu canoe ride and everything was lost. On the plus side, I didn't have to clean them.
Weapons employed: Walther PK380, SigSauer Mosquito, Walther PPQ, HK P2000, DMPS Oracle (Barebones AR-15), and Beretta CX-4 Storm (Carbine).
I also brought my Webley Mk VI and put 12 rounds through it. I'm getting a feel for how the sights line up, and got a tolerable group at 10 yards, though it was low and to the left of center.
The girls started on the PK380 until it ran out of ammo. Results were mixed. We then moved to the PPQ, which performed better, and the Mosquito came into play. I got out the HK but only fired a few rounds through it before everyone decided to give the long weapons a turn.
As it turned out, I ended up using the AR exclusively and everyone else played with the Beretta Storm, which they enjoyed immensely. We were shooting at 25 yards with a seat and rest and it has a red-dot optic, so that helped them build some nice groups.
The AR was a little more finicky because I haven't fully broken it in, but I got decent results. The glass on it is a little low but centered. I think next weekend I'll range it in at 50 yards and see how I do. I don't think it's had more than 100 rounds through it and it's past time for me to put it through the paces.
Tragically, on the way home we did an impromptu canoe ride and everything was lost. On the plus side, I didn't have to clean them.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (cfSRQ)
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Living in the country, my dad and I and a hunting rifle went to an old gravel pit and did target shooting when I was about 12. I got my first deer when I was 14, with one shot. I remember still being uneasy being a new hunter, with gun shots going off in the woods around me. Probably farmers kept their cows in the barn during the season...
Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (yfOdy)
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Wow old sock. Definitely not US Navy
Posted by: blaster at June 16, 2019 07:12 PM
Geez, blaster. As penance, start The Corps...
Posted by: blaster at June 16, 2019 07:12 PM
Geez, blaster. As penance, start The Corps...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (Vzb0I)
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Hmm....name?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (Vzb0I)
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It was, um, Italian sounding! The guy at the desk at the museum recommended it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (Vzb0I)
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It was, um, Italian sounding! The guy at the desk at the museum recommended it.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (MVjcR)
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I shot my Spanish FR-8 and Cetme this past week.
They both shoot the 7.62 x 51 NATO, the FR-8 being a converted Mauser bolt and the Cetme being the semi/full auto Nazi gun makers last hurrah for the Spanish.
I zeroed both at 25 yards to see how high at 100 yards they would end up. Per the Ballistics Kackalater, the FR-8, having a sight height of 1.5 inches, was to shoot 2.6 inches high with a 7.62 x 51 mm factory load.
It did. Which made me smile. The Cetme, having a scope and a sight height of 3 inches, was supposed to shoot 7.2 inches high at 100 yards with a 25 yard zero. It did too. Another smile.
Now to take them next week out from 200 to 600 yards and see if the Ballistics Kackalater is spot on again.
The Cetme is a beast though, worst trigger ever and heavy, and I like heavy guns.
As far as Garand Tankers, a fella at the range awhile ago was shooting his but it would not cycle. He asked me what I thought, and I said let's disassemble the rifle and have a looksie. He did not know how to break down his weapon and when I showed him, the rifle was full of cosmoline.
I told him to go home and clean the rifle, then shoot it again.
They both shoot the 7.62 x 51 NATO, the FR-8 being a converted Mauser bolt and the Cetme being the semi/full auto Nazi gun makers last hurrah for the Spanish.
I zeroed both at 25 yards to see how high at 100 yards they would end up. Per the Ballistics Kackalater, the FR-8, having a sight height of 1.5 inches, was to shoot 2.6 inches high with a 7.62 x 51 mm factory load.
It did. Which made me smile. The Cetme, having a scope and a sight height of 3 inches, was supposed to shoot 7.2 inches high at 100 yards with a 25 yard zero. It did too. Another smile.
Now to take them next week out from 200 to 600 yards and see if the Ballistics Kackalater is spot on again.
The Cetme is a beast though, worst trigger ever and heavy, and I like heavy guns.
As far as Garand Tankers, a fella at the range awhile ago was shooting his but it would not cycle. He asked me what I thought, and I said let's disassemble the rifle and have a looksie. He did not know how to break down his weapon and when I showed him, the rifle was full of cosmoline.
I told him to go home and clean the rifle, then shoot it again.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (Z+IKu)
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Just returned from putting 20 rounds down range with my Remington Ultimate muzzle loader. Managed 1.5-2.5" 3-shot groups at 100 yards, and 4" at 200. Not too bad, but not great. The loads (275gr. Parker, 140gr. Blackhorn) "chronographed" (Lab Radar) at just under 2100 FPS. I'd like to consistently shoot 3" or better groups at 200 yards from the bench. That'd make a great MN deer load for the shotgun zone. Anyone else own and hunt with a Remington UML?
Posted by: WVinMN at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (pV4s0)
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Short 45 second vid, firing .500 Nitro Express pistol. When you want that extra measure of protection.
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (U7Mh9)
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What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (fuK7c)
Barrel shroud.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (fuK7c)
Barrel shroud.
Posted by: Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (t+qrx)
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Honest dumb question: are soldiers who served in action in infantry more or less likely to own a gun/rifle after their service? I can see them saying, "Enough of that."
Honest dumb question: are soldiers who served in action in infantry more or less likely to own a gun/rifle after their service? I can see them saying, "Enough of that."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (Wx/+I)
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Happy fathers day to all. Dad's been gone for over 30 years now. We never had a chance to shoot together which is a shame. My folks liked antiques and he would have enjoyed using traditional muzzleloaders.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (bmdz3)
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Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (Z+IKu)
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A Garand still with cosmoline? Where did he get it?
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A Garand still with cosmoline? Where did he get it?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (gC2IV)
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35 I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Boomsash?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Boomsash?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 07:17 PM (9SkN+)
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Dad was born legally blind, so we never went shooting or hunting...
besides that, we lived in the middle of the greater LA area and didn't have a car, so there was no way to go do anything like that, even if we had firearms.
besides that, we lived in the middle of the greater LA area and didn't have a car, so there was no way to go do anything like that, even if we had firearms.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:17 PM (KEX6Y)
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39 Springfield, MA - I did some subdivision work there. One unusual thing was the property corners set in the historic areas are not iron pipe, but old gun barrels.
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (K1IUD)
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Really? That's cool!
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (K1IUD)
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Really? That's cool!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)
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Modifying Garands is considered taboo by most people familiar to the rifle. However, Fajen and Bishop used to sell a monte carlo sporter stock for the rifle. A fellow who taught me a lot built one with a birdseye maple stock. He took everthing down to bare metal, polished the hell out of it and had a Weatherby grade deep royal blue done. It was, well, different.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 16, 2019 07:17 PM (C1Lsn)
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It was, um, Italian sounding! The guy at the desk at the museum recommended it.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM
*in my best Billy Ray Valentine voice*
Thank you. You've been he'pful.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM
*in my best Billy Ray Valentine voice*
Thank you. You've been he'pful.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (Vzb0I)
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My dad also passed away young ( 55 from military connected disability) and we never shot together but he did buy me a .45 facsimile pellet gun when I was 7 years old and 410 Wingmaster when I was 10 years old and gave me his .38 Special when I was 17. He also either bought or helped me buy motorcycles when I was a preteen and teen. He and my mom definitely not helicopter parents.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 07:19 PM (2DOZq)
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I couldn't hit shit firing a army 45 pistol. At least I qualified. I was a tanker, so the 45 was all I carried.
Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:19 PM (yfOdy)
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Springfield, MA - I did some subdivision work there. One unusual thing was the property corners set in the historic areas are not iron pipe, but old gun barrels.
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM
Cool!
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM
Cool!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:19 PM (Vzb0I)
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Dad was a champion pistol shooter, 1911, .45 APC. He couldn't afford a competition model so he shot with his service one. He use to take me down to the rock quarry and shoot his pistol. I was too young to shoot it myself. Later in life I took him to the pistol range at Ft. Hood. He could still out shoot me.
He was an imposing figure. He rode in the cavalry, on horse back, for 4 years, 2nd and 7th Cav. I regret to this day that I didn't learn more from him. I was a cock sure self centered ass. He went to war early. The 7th mechanized and formed the 13th ACR, a part of the 1st Armored. He went over on the Queen Mary to Ireland and and fought his way through North Africa and Italy, wounded once. I don't even know how he came back home. Never will.
He was an imposing figure. He rode in the cavalry, on horse back, for 4 years, 2nd and 7th Cav. I regret to this day that I didn't learn more from him. I was a cock sure self centered ass. He went to war early. The 7th mechanized and formed the 13th ACR, a part of the 1st Armored. He went over on the Queen Mary to Ireland and and fought his way through North Africa and Italy, wounded once. I don't even know how he came back home. Never will.
Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Sh6Rm)
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Weapons employed: Walther PK380, SigSauer Mosquito, Walther PPQ, HK P2000, DMPS Oracle (Barebones AR-15), and Beretta CX-4 Storm (Carbine).
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (cfSRQ)
Yeesh, wish you could have come to Lansing last weekend. We'd have had some overlap, though. SIGM400, VP9 Tactical, and a Walther PPS M2. Plus a flintlock longrifle.
Some others as well, but I won't name them as they aren't mine and it's not my place to do so.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (cfSRQ)
Yeesh, wish you could have come to Lansing last weekend. We'd have had some overlap, though. SIGM400, VP9 Tactical, and a Walther PPS M2. Plus a flintlock longrifle.
Some others as well, but I won't name them as they aren't mine and it's not my place to do so.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (t+qrx)
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Better buy dad bullets for fathers day. Looks like democrat sweep in
latest polls. Democrats serious about banning bullets in declaring
national emergency.
Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (wpP8q)
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Doesn't the Gibson family own your computer yet? Only a matter of time, I suppose...
Better buy dad bullets for fathers day. Looks like democrat sweep in
latest polls. Democrats serious about banning bullets in declaring
national emergency.
Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (wpP8q)
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Doesn't the Gibson family own your computer yet? Only a matter of time, I suppose...
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (cfSRQ)
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Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (fuK7c)
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IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE YOU USED THE WORD "SLING" WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION!!!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (fuK7c)
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IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE YOU USED THE WORD "SLING" WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION!!!
Posted by: BEN ROTHLISBERGER at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (KEX6Y)
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Democrats serious about banning bullets in declaring national emergency.
Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (wpP8q)
We know. Except for the bullets to be shot at people who don't surrender their bullets.
Democrats serious about banning bullets in declaring national emergency.
Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (wpP8q)
We know. Except for the bullets to be shot at people who don't surrender their bullets.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Wx/+I)
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Honest dumb question: are soldiers who served in action in infantry more or less likely to own a gun/rifle after their service? I can see them saying, "Enough of that."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (Wx/+
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I was Marine Infantry from 85-91. Scout Sniper 88-91. I shoot pistols and have several, but I haven't shot a rifle in 28 years. I could still split the peg though.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (Wx/+
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I was Marine Infantry from 85-91. Scout Sniper 88-91. I shoot pistols and have several, but I haven't shot a rifle in 28 years. I could still split the peg though.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (gC2IV)
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As much as I like the standard issue Garand for the history and enjoyable shooting, I have no problem with some modifications. As long as they don't compromise the rifle's good qualities.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (bmdz3)
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Was at the trap range about 10 days ago; didn't do very well. I wear bifocals and I seemed to keep hitting that fuzzy zone between "near" and "far" when aiming for the clays. What I really need to do is get some dedicated shooting glasses, for distance only.
Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (S6ArX)
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I was having the same problem! The target kept fuzzing in and out.
Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (S6ArX)
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I was having the same problem! The target kept fuzzing in and out.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (kQs4Y)
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Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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The bad news; as you get older, it will happen more often.
One finds oneself dumbly describing the item/place/person.
Me: "Uh...dammit...that part of the car body underneath the front bumper"
Friend: "You mean the valence panel?"
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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The bad news; as you get older, it will happen more often.
One finds oneself dumbly describing the item/place/person.
Me: "Uh...dammit...that part of the car body underneath the front bumper"
Friend: "You mean the valence panel?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (KoKdw)
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53 35 I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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I think you said it. Sling pad.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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I think you said it. Sling pad.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (2DOZq)
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Was at the trap range about 10 days ago; didn't do very well. I wear bifocals and I seemed to keep hitting that fuzzy zone between "near" and "far" when aiming for the clays. What I really need to do is get some dedicated shooting glasses, for distance only.
Posted by: Annalucia
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Heh. Trifocals.
I probably look like a bobble-head doll.
Posted by: Annalucia
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Heh. Trifocals.
I probably look like a bobble-head doll.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (KoKdw)
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We know. Except for the bullets to be shot at people who don't surrender their bullets.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Wx/+I)
And the hood rats, who will always have plenty of ammo.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Wx/+I)
And the hood rats, who will always have plenty of ammo.
Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (yfOdy)
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Yeesh, wish you could have come to Lansing last
weekend. We'd have had some overlap, though. SIGM400, VP9 Tactical, and a
Walther PPS M2. Plus a flintlock longrifle.
Some others as well, but I won't name them as they aren't mine and it's not my place to do so.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (t+qrx)
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I was soooo sad I couldn't go. I was utterly miserable at drill. We had a change of command and got to stand in formation for an hour in hot, humid hangar. Then and early wakeup for Rifle Qual on Sunday where I got to spend five hours in the rain trying to figure out just how much oil they put in this rifle.
I guess I made the standard, but the day was pretty joyless. Tell the 'rons I'll likely be out at Rose Lake next weekend as well.
weekend. We'd have had some overlap, though. SIGM400, VP9 Tactical, and a
Walther PPS M2. Plus a flintlock longrifle.
Some others as well, but I won't name them as they aren't mine and it's not my place to do so.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (t+qrx)
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I was soooo sad I couldn't go. I was utterly miserable at drill. We had a change of command and got to stand in formation for an hour in hot, humid hangar. Then and early wakeup for Rifle Qual on Sunday where I got to spend five hours in the rain trying to figure out just how much oil they put in this rifle.
I guess I made the standard, but the day was pretty joyless. Tell the 'rons I'll likely be out at Rose Lake next weekend as well.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (cfSRQ)
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I was having the same problem! The target kept fuzzing in and out.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (kQs4Y)
*shoves box of trick clays behind couch with heel*
Huh.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (kQs4Y)
*shoves box of trick clays behind couch with heel*
Huh.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (t+qrx)
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Pug, I shot one of those once. It just happened to be through my Aunt/Uncles ceiling.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (SDVgT)
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I was Marine Infantry from 85-91. Scout Sniper 88-91. I shoot pistols and have several, but I haven't shot a rifle in 28 years. I could still split the peg though.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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It's like riding a bicycle.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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It's like riding a bicycle.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:24 PM (KoKdw)
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Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (wpP8q)
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you sound like a fag and you shit is retarded.
no wonder your father ran away when you were young
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you sound like a fag and you shit is retarded.
no wonder your father ran away when you were young
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:24 PM (KEX6Y)
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I have 3 S&W revolvers -
An old K-38 Combat Masterpiece
A 1980's Model 19
A new Model 17 Masterpiece Classic (the old K-22)
Delighted with them all. Fine revolvers, and work flawlessly. Plus, I can reload .38 wadcutters for a third of what new ammo costs.
An old K-38 Combat Masterpiece
A 1980's Model 19
A new Model 17 Masterpiece Classic (the old K-22)
Delighted with them all. Fine revolvers, and work flawlessly. Plus, I can reload .38 wadcutters for a third of what new ammo costs.
Posted by: The Neon Madman at June 16, 2019 07:24 PM (KSXRc)
Posted by: Miklos, with innocent look on face at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM (QzkSJ)
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Tell the 'rons I'll likely be out at Rose Lake next weekend as well.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (cfSRQ)
As in, this coming weekend, or the next time we organize a meet?
Or both?
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (cfSRQ)
As in, this coming weekend, or the next time we organize a meet?
Or both?
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:26 PM (SDVgT)
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An old K-38 Combat Masterpiece
A 1980's Model 19
A new Model 17 Masterpiece Classic (the old K-22)
Delighted with them all. Fine revolvers, and work flawlessly. Plus, I can reload .38 wadcutters for a third of what new ammo costs.
Posted by: The Neon Madman at June 16, 2019 07:24 PM (KSXRc)
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Love the K-38!
A 1980's Model 19
A new Model 17 Masterpiece Classic (the old K-22)
Delighted with them all. Fine revolvers, and work flawlessly. Plus, I can reload .38 wadcutters for a third of what new ammo costs.
Posted by: The Neon Madman at June 16, 2019 07:24 PM (KSXRc)
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Love the K-38!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)
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My brother taught me how to shoot
My Dad taught me about boat racing.
Posted by: Ben Had
Canoe accident instructor?
My Dad taught me about boat racing.
Posted by: Ben Had
Canoe accident instructor?
Posted by: Miklos, with very innocent look on face at June 16, 2019 07:26 PM (QzkSJ)
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I shot at clay pigeons at 14 when I went to "Conservation Camp" in De Bruce, NY. I'm sure they don't allow that anymore, probably basket weaving now...Cuomo would never allow it, Biden maybe....
Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (yfOdy)
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The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
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We know. Except for the bullets to be shot at people who don't surrender their bullets.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Wx/+I)
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i'll be happy to give such a government as many bullets as are needed to show them the error of their ways.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Wx/+I)
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i'll be happy to give such a government as many bullets as are needed to show them the error of their ways.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:28 PM (KEX6Y)
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Dads and guns:
Dad grew up hunting in rural NH but quit before I was born. I have his rifles. He used to tell me he'd teach my to shoot and we go down to the dump and shoot rats, but we never did.
I think he was just going on memory and didn't wonder whether you could shoot rats at the dump in the places where I grew up.
As he was declining I tried to ask questions about the family lore that would soon be lost. He had made a gun sound when tending Aunt Mary's general store, what was it? He racked a .45. Bad guys left.
So I have a desk he built, his Crown Graphic 4x5 camera, and two Winchesters, .22 and .30/30.
Dad grew up hunting in rural NH but quit before I was born. I have his rifles. He used to tell me he'd teach my to shoot and we go down to the dump and shoot rats, but we never did.
I think he was just going on memory and didn't wonder whether you could shoot rats at the dump in the places where I grew up.
As he was declining I tried to ask questions about the family lore that would soon be lost. He had made a gun sound when tending Aunt Mary's general store, what was it? He racked a .45. Bad guys left.
So I have a desk he built, his Crown Graphic 4x5 camera, and two Winchesters, .22 and .30/30.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:28 PM (fuK7c)
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Miklos, the kind that went over the water at 90mph.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:28 PM (SDVgT)
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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?
Yes to shoot steel.
I'm also a member of the local archery club, and our club provides all of the targets, field, 3D and bags. I built and deployed half of the field targets, and help on occasion for 3D tournaments bringing out the "good" targets. In archery, every shot leaves a permanent hole, and our targets are not cheap.
Back to the gun range. So I get out to the 100 yard range, hang a couple and notice a AS500 3/8ths" out by itself the only people on that range are way down at the other end shooting .22s at 25 yards. Cool. Three targets.
Through my second magazine on the Tavor, when this hot-head comes screaming and yelling, making threats and pretty much setting up a Monkey Dance.
Apparently it is not a club target.
Apparently it isn't even his target.
Lesson learned: Don't shoot any targets unless they are yours, or unless specifically invited to shoot that particular target by its owner.
I was told that I "blasted holes" through the target and it was a simple pot-iron target that I now had to pay $200 for - Right Now. Even real large AS500 half inch targets are no where near $200.
Did I mention, it wasn't even his target?
I have been extensively trained in Aikido, Krav Maga, Active Shooter, VIP protection and for the past couple of years been in to boxing - and here is this dude wanting to Monkey Dance at a gun club (not a public range)
So I de-escalated the situation.
Dude was still wanting to stir up some shit even though I'm much bigger.
Still de-escalate.
Wacks the "Range Cold" button that flashes red lights telling everyone the range has been deemed cold - there were still shooters at their station on loaded weapons. Didn't even bother to clear the range before signalling Range Cold
So I warn those active shooters to stop Right Now and move away from the bench while the Hot Head jumps into his truck and drives at high speed across the range down to the 100 yard target. Then drives back at same speed, catching air in his truck just fewer than 20 yards from the firing line.
I was screamed at that shooting another person's target is a "Safety Violation". But apparently declaring a range Cold when shooters are still firing and then driving like a mad man across the range is not a "Safety Violation".
BTW, the target, which was not his, was AS500 3/8ths and only the paint was marred, no "holes blasted through".
By the time all of the drama was finished, we shook hands and decided everything was cool.
Lesson: Shoot ONLY your own targets. NEVER anyone else's, even if invited, because you never know when someone is going to go full sheep dog.
Yes to shoot steel.
I'm also a member of the local archery club, and our club provides all of the targets, field, 3D and bags. I built and deployed half of the field targets, and help on occasion for 3D tournaments bringing out the "good" targets. In archery, every shot leaves a permanent hole, and our targets are not cheap.
Back to the gun range. So I get out to the 100 yard range, hang a couple and notice a AS500 3/8ths" out by itself the only people on that range are way down at the other end shooting .22s at 25 yards. Cool. Three targets.
Through my second magazine on the Tavor, when this hot-head comes screaming and yelling, making threats and pretty much setting up a Monkey Dance.
Apparently it is not a club target.
Apparently it isn't even his target.
Lesson learned: Don't shoot any targets unless they are yours, or unless specifically invited to shoot that particular target by its owner.
I was told that I "blasted holes" through the target and it was a simple pot-iron target that I now had to pay $200 for - Right Now. Even real large AS500 half inch targets are no where near $200.
Did I mention, it wasn't even his target?
I have been extensively trained in Aikido, Krav Maga, Active Shooter, VIP protection and for the past couple of years been in to boxing - and here is this dude wanting to Monkey Dance at a gun club (not a public range)
So I de-escalated the situation.
Dude was still wanting to stir up some shit even though I'm much bigger.
Still de-escalate.
Wacks the "Range Cold" button that flashes red lights telling everyone the range has been deemed cold - there were still shooters at their station on loaded weapons. Didn't even bother to clear the range before signalling Range Cold
So I warn those active shooters to stop Right Now and move away from the bench while the Hot Head jumps into his truck and drives at high speed across the range down to the 100 yard target. Then drives back at same speed, catching air in his truck just fewer than 20 yards from the firing line.
I was screamed at that shooting another person's target is a "Safety Violation". But apparently declaring a range Cold when shooters are still firing and then driving like a mad man across the range is not a "Safety Violation".
BTW, the target, which was not his, was AS500 3/8ths and only the paint was marred, no "holes blasted through".
By the time all of the drama was finished, we shook hands and decided everything was cool.
Lesson: Shoot ONLY your own targets. NEVER anyone else's, even if invited, because you never know when someone is going to go full sheep dog.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:30 PM (lD3vL)
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Miklos, the kind that went over the water at 90mph.
Posted by: Ben Had
Oh. I was referring to the numerous tragic boating and canoe accidents that have resulted in the sad loss of firearms to so many.
Posted by: Ben Had
Oh. I was referring to the numerous tragic boating and canoe accidents that have resulted in the sad loss of firearms to so many.
Posted by: Miklos, sad! at June 16, 2019 07:30 PM (QzkSJ)
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As in, this coming weekend, or the next time we organize a meet?
Or both?
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM (t+qrx)
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Both, so long as it doesn't conflict with drill.
The experience of sucking massively at rifle qual and then the uneven performance of my AR has made me very keen on coming out again when I don't have to ride herd on a bunch of teenage girls.
I'd like some dedicated practice time. Also, I need to correct the sights on a Winchester 94. So this would be a long weapon-focused trip.
Unless of course the Dreyse M1907 comes back from the shop. Then I'll have to make time for it as well.
Or both?
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM (t+qrx)
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Both, so long as it doesn't conflict with drill.
The experience of sucking massively at rifle qual and then the uneven performance of my AR has made me very keen on coming out again when I don't have to ride herd on a bunch of teenage girls.
I'd like some dedicated practice time. Also, I need to correct the sights on a Winchester 94. So this would be a long weapon-focused trip.
Unless of course the Dreyse M1907 comes back from the shop. Then I'll have to make time for it as well.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:30 PM (cfSRQ)
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I prudently waited until each little Nerada was 8 before taking them to the range for the first time.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 16, 2019 07:31 PM (S6gsw)
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Happy Father's Day to all the papas out there.
I'm not a dad, but I humbly offer my low cost services to any sexy, beautiful ladies in need of a sperm donor.
I'm not a dad, but I humbly offer my low cost services to any sexy, beautiful ladies in need of a sperm donor.
Posted by: Robert at June 16, 2019 07:31 PM (j5Tim)
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Tell the 'rons I'll likely be out at Rose Lake next weekend as well.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM
As in, this coming weekend, or the next time we organize a meet?
Or both?
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM
I could support such an action
for the children, of course
Tell the 'rons I'll likely be out at Rose Lake next weekend as well.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM
As in, this coming weekend, or the next time we organize a meet?
Or both?
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM
I could support such an action
for the children, of course
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 07:31 PM (r3IfA)
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Only been out with my dad a few times, and been over a year and half now. Should take him to indoor range again.
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:32 PM (BbGew)
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85
The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question
arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
I was on a competition drill team in collage. Stack arms was often part of the IDR competition program . We used M1 for IRD and chrome 1903's with 16" bayonets for fancy drill. Had a lot of fun.
The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question
arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
I was on a competition drill team in collage. Stack arms was often part of the IDR competition program . We used M1 for IRD and chrome 1903's with 16" bayonets for fancy drill. Had a lot of fun.
Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 16, 2019 07:32 PM (Sh6Rm)
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The bad news; as you get older, it will happen more often.
One finds oneself dumbly describing the item/place/person.
Me: "Uh...dammit...that part of the car body underneath the front bumper"
Friend: "You mean the valence panel?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (KoKdw)
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it's called "Halfzhrimer's": it's kinda like Alzheimer's, but it only effects you part of the time.
it's also a sign you should drink more, to kill off the week brain cells.
The bad news; as you get older, it will happen more often.
One finds oneself dumbly describing the item/place/person.
Me: "Uh...dammit...that part of the car body underneath the front bumper"
Friend: "You mean the valence panel?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (KoKdw)
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it's called "Halfzhrimer's": it's kinda like Alzheimer's, but it only effects you part of the time.
it's also a sign you should drink more, to kill off the week brain cells.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:32 PM (KEX6Y)
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I could support such an action
for the children, of course
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 07:31 PM (r3IfA)
If it saves just one life.
for the children, of course
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 07:31 PM (r3IfA)
If it saves just one life.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:33 PM (t+qrx)
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I once held the record on Range B at Stone Bay. For those who don't know, that's the rifle range at LeJuene. Dropped two points on offhand at 200. I still remember coming off the 500 line after the last white disk came up. I had a big grin, I did. Then they sent me to sniper school which was...interesting.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:33 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:33 PM (SDVgT)
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The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
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we did it with M-16s when i went through Harmony Church back in 83, but that was the only place i ever did. not a fing clue as to how it was done these days.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
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we did it with M-16s when i went through Harmony Church back in 83, but that was the only place i ever did. not a fing clue as to how it was done these days.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:34 PM (KEX6Y)
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I have six good hunting rifles hidden away in the house, so when the Ordnungspolizei come, they will probably tear my house apart.
Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:34 PM (yfOdy)
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Question...I'm not into guns. Nothing against it, just not my thing. But I would like to have one as insurance for SHTF scenarios. I'm moderately comfortable firing them, understand how to respect them, I just don't have time and money(right now) for another hobby. Is there any suggestions as to what one might buy to put away for a rainy day, how to store the ammo, where best to store, etc?
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)
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101
The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question
arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
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Nah, but we did have a method for stacking M-16s. Can't remember it now, though. It was 19 years ago, you know...
The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question
arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
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Nah, but we did have a method for stacking M-16s. Can't remember it now, though. It was 19 years ago, you know...
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (cfSRQ)
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85 The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
No but I have done pokey drill.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
No but I have done pokey drill.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (bgJ0E)
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Weasel, do you have a trust fund for your arsenal?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:36 PM (SDVgT)
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Weasel, do you have a trust fund for your arsenal?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:36 PM (SDVgT)
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No, but that's a great idea!
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:36 PM (SDVgT)
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No, but that's a great idea!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)
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" 39 Springfield, MA - I did some subdivision work there. One unusual thing was the property corners set in the historic areas are not iron pipe, but old gun barrels.
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (K1IUD) "
That is so cool !
I suppose they had a lot of them laying around, after all.
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (K1IUD) "
That is so cool !
I suppose they had a lot of them laying around, after all.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 16, 2019 07:37 PM (a5hgv)
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My dad didn't teach me to shoot, but made it possible. He was a very end of the war GI and fired his M1 carbine just once, to hear the tale. Something about a water buffalo or a rock or something.
On the other hand, Santa brought us BB guns. Then, after much research in the school liberry, yes, they had these books in school, on .22 rifles and young men, uh, boys, a single shot boltie showed up under the tree when I was 12. Dad took me to the sandpit to make sure I knew which end was the pointy one.
And that, was the beginning of the story.
On the other hand, Santa brought us BB guns. Then, after much research in the school liberry, yes, they had these books in school, on .22 rifles and young men, uh, boys, a single shot boltie showed up under the tree when I was 12. Dad took me to the sandpit to make sure I knew which end was the pointy one.
And that, was the beginning of the story.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:37 PM (2+QJR)
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I strained my right elbow last week. Can't shoot, can't cast a fishing line, have trouble putting in my hearing aids. Not serious, just annoying as hell and takes a couple of weeks to ease up.
I mention this because I have two guns I want, desparately, to try out. The Henry .223 single shot and a Rock Island GI 45 auto.
The Rock Island is a copy of the original 1911. I've read some parts will even interchange. For a budget pistol it seems very well made with tight tolerances compared to the early 1911s. The reviews are very positive, stressing reliability and good accuracy. I haven't had a 1911 for decades and really want to put this baby through its paces. Damn this elbow.
I mention this because I have two guns I want, desparately, to try out. The Henry .223 single shot and a Rock Island GI 45 auto.
The Rock Island is a copy of the original 1911. I've read some parts will even interchange. For a budget pistol it seems very well made with tight tolerances compared to the early 1911s. The reviews are very positive, stressing reliability and good accuracy. I haven't had a 1911 for decades and really want to put this baby through its paces. Damn this elbow.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 07:38 PM (bmdz3)
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When my brother was dying he gave me his 12 ga, shotgun.
I gave it to a young man that will hunt with it for many years and then pass it on to his children.
I gave it to a young man that will hunt with it for many years and then pass it on to his children.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:38 PM (SDVgT)
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What is this "range" of which you speak?
My dad took me to a nice gravel pit, with a fistful of pop cans and a lovely Colt revolver. I was seven years old the first time. Twas wonderful.
My dad took me to a nice gravel pit, with a fistful of pop cans and a lovely Colt revolver. I was seven years old the first time. Twas wonderful.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 16, 2019 07:38 PM (vVOK2)
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Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:30 PM (lD3vL)
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sounds like someone too stupid and hot headed to be allowed on a range, let alone be in charge of one.
IOW, just a garden variety asshole
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sounds like someone too stupid and hot headed to be allowed on a range, let alone be in charge of one.
IOW, just a garden variety asshole
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:39 PM (KEX6Y)
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It's an M1 "Tanker" model chambered in .308 Winchester by Arlington Ord.,
Didn't Springfield Armory take the shortened M1 and call it a SOCOM 16 or SOCOM II ?
I picked up one of those and didn't enjoy its heaviness and inaccuracy. It also was fussy about the ammunition.
Then I f'd if all up by converting it into a bull pup. Looks bad ass and is about the size of a Tavor, and the weight of a bowling ball, but has the accuracy of a shotgun.
Didn't Springfield Armory take the shortened M1 and call it a SOCOM 16 or SOCOM II ?
I picked up one of those and didn't enjoy its heaviness and inaccuracy. It also was fussy about the ammunition.
Then I f'd if all up by converting it into a bull pup. Looks bad ass and is about the size of a Tavor, and the weight of a bowling ball, but has the accuracy of a shotgun.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:39 PM (lD3vL)
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Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)
If you don't plan on shooting and only want a weapon in case the SHTF, buy a defensive shotgun and various buck shot and Turkey loads. You can store shotgun shells in any air tight containers with a desiccant pack thrown in.
If you don't plan on shooting and only want a weapon in case the SHTF, buy a defensive shotgun and various buck shot and Turkey loads. You can store shotgun shells in any air tight containers with a desiccant pack thrown in.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 07:39 PM (2DOZq)
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Question...I'm not into guns. Nothing against it, just not my thing. But I would like to have one as insurance for SHTF scenarios. I'm moderately comfortable firing them, understand how to respect them, I just don't have time and money(right now) for another hobby. Is there any suggestions as to what one might buy to put away for a rainy day, how to store the ammo, where best to store, etc?
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)
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C'mon - let's help Wtp out here!
OK, I'll start. If it's not something you're going to practice with periodically, a nice simple .38 cal revolver would be a good choice. Point and shoot.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)
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C'mon - let's help Wtp out here!
OK, I'll start. If it's not something you're going to practice with periodically, a nice simple .38 cal revolver would be a good choice. Point and shoot.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:39 PM (MVjcR)
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C'mon - let's help Wtp out here!
Oh, I read that and said "yes, officer, that's when the fight started".
Oh, I read that and said "yes, officer, that's when the fight started".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:41 PM (fuK7c)
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I once held the record on Range B at Stone Bay. For those who don't know, that's the rifle range at LeJuene. Dropped two points on offhand at 200. I still remember coming off the 500 line after the last white disk came up. I had a big grin, I did. Then they sent me to sniper school which was...interesting.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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All the more impressive because of the corrections necessary for humidity and mosquitoes.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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All the more impressive because of the corrections necessary for humidity and mosquitoes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:41 PM (2qPhT)
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Sling
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (fuK7c)
Thankfully I am late to the thread as I was going to go with
"Strap-On"
But now I recall that they are a tool company.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (fuK7c)
Thankfully I am late to the thread as I was going to go with
"Strap-On"
But now I recall that they are a tool company.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (1g7ch)
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85 The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5
Mike, sounds like you and I are same era. Can do. Can also remember complete manual of arms for M 1. Very cool with big heavy rifle.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5
Mike, sounds like you and I are same era. Can do. Can also remember complete manual of arms for M 1. Very cool with big heavy rifle.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (2+QJR)
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Question...I'm not into guns. Nothing against it, just not my thing. But I would like to have one as insurance for SHTF scenarios.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)
There are quite a lot of potential scenarios like that, and they're all different. I wouldn't expect to stash a weapon away just in case and then find that it's suddenly useful though, any more than someone who doesn't exercise or camp could put some hiking shoes and a backpack in the back of the closet and expect to do a week on a trail. If you think you might need to use it, it's best to be comfortable with it before then.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)
There are quite a lot of potential scenarios like that, and they're all different. I wouldn't expect to stash a weapon away just in case and then find that it's suddenly useful though, any more than someone who doesn't exercise or camp could put some hiking shoes and a backpack in the back of the closet and expect to do a week on a trail. If you think you might need to use it, it's best to be comfortable with it before then.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (t+qrx)
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My dad was born in 1903, when he was about 12 years old he used his dad's muzzle loader shotgun to shoot a rabbit, he told me he put the amount of powder in from a measure and it did not look like enough so me put more in and it knocked him on his butt. Years later I took that old shotgun apart and cleaned it up, it was a percussion sidelock with London Twist barrels and now it leans against my fireplace with a nice stock and re-rust blued barrels. He later shot a lot of rabbits using .22 shots and when I was nine years old he taught me basic gun safety saying never point a gun towards anything you don't want to kill, keep the barrel out of the dirt and don't load until you are ready to shoot and then put your finger in the trigger when you are ready to make the gun go off.
Dad had also told me if you have to hold a gun on some one keep them far away, far enough so you can shoot them if they try to take it away. He encourage me to shoot and by the time I was ten I could use my .22 by myself and at 12 years old I would take off after school with my single shot 12 ga. by myself, different times.
I took my son shooting some when he was a kid and we had fun, I also helped as an assistant Boy Scout leader taking him and others gun safety. Now he competes in three gun and pistol competition Colorado where he lives, some in Utah and a few other states and we still hunt together at least once a year along with my son-in-law and my grandsons who have with us since they could walk. My other son-in-law has more guns than the rest of us and that grand son, soon to be eight is good on a bench with and AR.
We take the time and try to teach them well and pass on on down through generations.
Dad had also told me if you have to hold a gun on some one keep them far away, far enough so you can shoot them if they try to take it away. He encourage me to shoot and by the time I was ten I could use my .22 by myself and at 12 years old I would take off after school with my single shot 12 ga. by myself, different times.
I took my son shooting some when he was a kid and we had fun, I also helped as an assistant Boy Scout leader taking him and others gun safety. Now he competes in three gun and pistol competition Colorado where he lives, some in Utah and a few other states and we still hunt together at least once a year along with my son-in-law and my grandsons who have with us since they could walk. My other son-in-law has more guns than the rest of us and that grand son, soon to be eight is good on a bench with and AR.
We take the time and try to teach them well and pass on on down through generations.
Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (8/hDC)
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Thx. So shotgun or .38. Hmm...revolver. Nothing, er, mechanized then? Even if kept in original packaging?
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:44 PM (WQfDg)
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We take the time and try to teach them well and pass on on down through generations.
Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (8/hDC)
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Very nice!
Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (8/hDC)
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Very nice!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:44 PM (MVjcR)
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But now I recall that they are a tool company.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (1g7ch)
Isn't it Snap On....A strap on is what Rachel Maddow uses.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (1g7ch)
Isn't it Snap On....A strap on is what Rachel Maddow uses.
Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:44 PM (yfOdy)
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Stack arms I performed. One fine day our drill instructors had a little time to kill, and started teaching us Form for Shelter Halves. They were just fucking with us, but it is an actual drill, about 35 or 40 count. Real clusterfuck.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (C1Lsn)
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C'mon - let's help Wtp out here!
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Agree with Weasel. A .38 revolver won't give you problems. However, I would recommend a trip to the range for at least fam fire.
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Agree with Weasel. A .38 revolver won't give you problems. However, I would recommend a trip to the range for at least fam fire.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (gC2IV)
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So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)
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Even if kept in original packaging?
Well at some point you have to figure out how to make the cylinder swing out so you can put bullets in it.
Well at some point you have to figure out how to make the cylinder swing out so you can put bullets in it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (fuK7c)
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Range time...yeah.
Annual quals are coming up and I'm dealing with some issues.
My little M-Forgery was worked on by my best friend and former EMS partner not long after I bought it (titanium firing pin retaining pin and helical-coil gas rings...strictly reliability mods), at the tail end of 2016.
I wanted him to be there when I took it to the range for the first time, and so tried to make plans to take time off and travel to his AO for the "inauguration". This was not strictly for sentimental reasons; I have some years experience carrying handguns on duty but have never owned a rifle bigger than .22 in my life.
Unbeknownst to me, his health was deteriorating faster than he let on, and he passed away with his handiwork still untested.
I know I'm being a sob-sister, but I seem to develop some problems with blurred vision every time I get it out and oil it, and there is literally nobody I trust enough to train me the right way to use and maintain it.
It sucks, but at least I can distract myself by working with my duty pistol for the short term.
...thanks for reading
Annual quals are coming up and I'm dealing with some issues.
My little M-Forgery was worked on by my best friend and former EMS partner not long after I bought it (titanium firing pin retaining pin and helical-coil gas rings...strictly reliability mods), at the tail end of 2016.
I wanted him to be there when I took it to the range for the first time, and so tried to make plans to take time off and travel to his AO for the "inauguration". This was not strictly for sentimental reasons; I have some years experience carrying handguns on duty but have never owned a rifle bigger than .22 in my life.
Unbeknownst to me, his health was deteriorating faster than he let on, and he passed away with his handiwork still untested.
I know I'm being a sob-sister, but I seem to develop some problems with blurred vision every time I get it out and oil it, and there is literally nobody I trust enough to train me the right way to use and maintain it.
It sucks, but at least I can distract myself by working with my duty pistol for the short term.
...thanks for reading
Posted by: F. Lee Bailout at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (0klD4)
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123 Thx. So shotgun or .38. Hmm...revolver. Nothing, er, mechanized then? Even if kept in original packaging?
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:44 PM (WQfDg)
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The revolver is simple, and fairly foolproof. You don't want to have anything more complicated sitting in the box for years and be trying to read the instructions on how it works when you need to be shooting.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:44 PM (WQfDg)
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The revolver is simple, and fairly foolproof. You don't want to have anything more complicated sitting in the box for years and be trying to read the instructions on how it works when you need to be shooting.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:46 PM (MVjcR)
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So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank
I knew that would come out one day.
Posted by: NZFrank
I knew that would come out one day.
Posted by: Gunby at June 16, 2019 07:47 PM (QzkSJ)
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128 So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)
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What's a pokey drill?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)
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What's a pokey drill?
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:47 PM (MVjcR)
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So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM[/i[
is that where you put your right foot in, then take your right foot out...?
So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM[/i[
is that where you put your right foot in, then take your right foot out...?
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 07:47 PM (r3IfA)
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Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (8/hDC)
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I'll just be over here not standing on your lawn. Seriously though, that's a great story.
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I'll just be over here not standing on your lawn. Seriously though, that's a great story.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:48 PM (gC2IV)
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So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM
We're Morons, but we aren't morons.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM
We're Morons, but we aren't morons.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:49 PM (Vzb0I)
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sounds like someone too stupid and hot headed to be allowed on a range, let alone be in charge of one.
In fairness, there is a back story. Part of de-escalating is getting them to describe exactly why they are chimping out.
The range regularly hosts fairly big competitions, and a State Steel shooting competition was held recently. He was one of the few guys out there in the hot Texas sun with metal grinders and paint trying to bring back the metal frames that hold all of the targets and get it ready for the competition. Hard Work.
Those things are shot to hell up.
The next day, he returns and discovers that someone must have been sighting in their scope using the metal rails to line up their horizontal and vertical, and the perp blasted a huge hole in the metal rails.
On a previous occasion, they usually send the kids out to collect the targets after a shoot, and kids being kids, didn't bring back the same number that were taken out. Another person discovered the target and must have used something substantial, and of the armor piercing variety to blast the "head off of the chicken" target. Not just dent it, but blast it clean off.
I didn't blast holes in anything, and even when free standing can regularly swing 8" metal without hitting the rails. So I guess he was conflating those garden variety assholes with this asshole.
We all survived and no enemies made.
In fairness, there is a back story. Part of de-escalating is getting them to describe exactly why they are chimping out.
The range regularly hosts fairly big competitions, and a State Steel shooting competition was held recently. He was one of the few guys out there in the hot Texas sun with metal grinders and paint trying to bring back the metal frames that hold all of the targets and get it ready for the competition. Hard Work.
Those things are shot to hell up.
The next day, he returns and discovers that someone must have been sighting in their scope using the metal rails to line up their horizontal and vertical, and the perp blasted a huge hole in the metal rails.
On a previous occasion, they usually send the kids out to collect the targets after a shoot, and kids being kids, didn't bring back the same number that were taken out. Another person discovered the target and must have used something substantial, and of the armor piercing variety to blast the "head off of the chicken" target. Not just dent it, but blast it clean off.
I didn't blast holes in anything, and even when free standing can regularly swing 8" metal without hitting the rails. So I guess he was conflating those garden variety assholes with this asshole.
We all survived and no enemies made.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:49 PM (lD3vL)
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So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM
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Not looking it up in the Urban Dictionary. Nope.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM
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Not looking it up in the Urban Dictionary. Nope.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:50 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:50 PM (fuK7c)
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I'd agree with a .38 revolver but it's hard enough for some one who practices with one to hit the broad side of a barn beyond 10 yards.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (2DOZq)
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Earliest memory of hunting with Old Pappy Eromero was hunting rabbits with my 12ga double barrel Stevens and a dozen beagles. Later got my first deer and hog with that same shotgun. When I went back on active duty, travels took me away from hunting but I did get to hunt with him a bit in his mid-70's. Sad to say I've hunted more since he passed in 2004 than I ever did when he was alive. I miss him a lot, but my hunting partners for past 25 years are an old Navy buddy from PA and of course Mrs. E.
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (qBNEP)
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nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)
Something kiwis do, that aussies would call getting rooted?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)
Something kiwis do, that aussies would call getting rooted?
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (K1IUD)
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Any 'ettes members of "A Girl & A Gun" shooting league?
Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (UUBmN)
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Pokey drill is the series of movements performed using That Rifle under direction of a PTI, designed to build upper body strength for bayonet drill and other weapon handling drills. I.E. swinging a SLR around your head, holding out on fingertips and other torture. Twas not fun.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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144 Pokey drill is the series of movements performed using That Rifle under direction of a PTI, designed to build upper body strength for bayonet drill and other weapon handling drills. I.E. swinging a SLR around your head, holding out on fingertips and other torture. Twas not fun.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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Have to say that does sound un-fun!
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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Have to say that does sound un-fun!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:53 PM (MVjcR)
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Each town, city or county has the authority to set "carry policies" for employees. I haven't checked, but I suspect the majority of jurisdictions in VA bar employees from carrying in buildings.
Colleges in Virginia ban students, faculty and staff from carrying on campus and ban everyone from carrying in buildings. So I could walk around campus with a sidearm but I couldn't enter a building on campus while armed. My child could not carry anywhere on campus.
There is obviously much more yet to be disclosed about the Virginia Beach shooting. Kate Nixon KNEW something was likely to happen on that day and debated carrying with her husband the night before. She chose not to carry and was among those murdered.
It will eventually come out but Virginia Beach is in hurry to let the sunshine on their stupidity.
Bad laws and policies make for bad outcomes. Virginia Beach proves this yet again.
Colleges in Virginia ban students, faculty and staff from carrying on campus and ban everyone from carrying in buildings. So I could walk around campus with a sidearm but I couldn't enter a building on campus while armed. My child could not carry anywhere on campus.
There is obviously much more yet to be disclosed about the Virginia Beach shooting. Kate Nixon KNEW something was likely to happen on that day and debated carrying with her husband the night before. She chose not to carry and was among those murdered.
It will eventually come out but Virginia Beach is in hurry to let the sunshine on their stupidity.
Bad laws and policies make for bad outcomes. Virginia Beach proves this yet again.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at June 16, 2019 07:54 PM (+Kpte)
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Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM
As I wrote at top, a revolver is simple and easy to operate
As I wrote at top, a revolver is simple and easy to operate
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:54 PM (BbGew)
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Something kiwis do, that aussies would call getting rooted?
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (K1IUD)
Ohh... you are rooted when you finish pokey drill. (We are separated by a common language.)
Something kiwis do, that aussies would call getting rooted?
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (K1IUD)
Ohh... you are rooted when you finish pokey drill. (We are separated by a common language.)
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:54 PM (bgJ0E)
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" I'd agree with a .38 revolver but it's hard enough for some one who practices with one to hit the broad side of a barn beyond 10 yards."
Well, yeah. I think I asked this question of some other group years ago and that came up. Now whenSHTF I would find a way/place to practice, though also when SHTF I could find myself doing a lot of reloading. Not that anyone really knows how TSHTF when eventually TSDHTF..
Well, yeah. I think I asked this question of some other group years ago and that came up. Now whenSHTF I would find a way/place to practice, though also when SHTF I could find myself doing a lot of reloading. Not that anyone really knows how TSHTF when eventually TSDHTF..
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:55 PM (WQfDg)
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I was once fairly accurate with a .357. Wouldn't that be an option?
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (WQfDg)
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PSA for those of you coming to TX in Oct.
Don't worry if you don't/can't bring a gun. You will still get plenty of shooting time in.
There will be two ranges .
We will start around noon on the 18th and all day the 19th..
Don't worry if you don't/can't bring a gun. You will still get plenty of shooting time in.
There will be two ranges .
We will start around noon on the 18th and all day the 19th..
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (SDVgT)
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My son is taking me to John Wick 3 tonight. Does that count as target practice?
Posted by: Ranger Gord at June 16, 2019 07:57 PM (9YABs)
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It will eventually come out but Virginia Beach is [not] in hurry to let the sunshine on their stupidity.
Rather, they point to the suppressor and say that it is evil and needs banning.
Rather, they point to the suppressor and say that it is evil and needs banning.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:57 PM (lD3vL)
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150 I was once fairly accurate with a .357. Wouldn't that be an option?
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (WQfDg)
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Absolutely. I have a snubby S&W Model 686 that is very concealable.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (WQfDg)
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Absolutely. I have a snubby S&W Model 686 that is very concealable.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:57 PM (MVjcR)
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Don't worry if you don't/can't bring a gun. You will still get plenty of shooting time in.
And I promise to only shoot my own steel targets.
(But anyone else, feel free to blast away as long as you aren't using AP or .50 BMG)
And I promise to only shoot my own steel targets.
(But anyone else, feel free to blast away as long as you aren't using AP or .50 BMG)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:58 PM (lD3vL)
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Well, yeah. I think I asked this question of some
other group years ago and that came up. Now whenSHTF I would find a
way/place to practice, though also when SHTF I could find myself doing a
lot of reloading. Not that anyone really knows how TSHTF when
eventually TSDHTF..
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:55 PM (WQfDg)
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Anything you get has to be something you practice with regularly, or it's more of a hazard than a help.
I say that because guns don't just hit the target by magic, so in a bad situation, you might make it worse by thinking you can shoot your way out when in fact you can't.
As a friend of mine (who is a crack shot) once remarked: "Shooting is a perishable skill." You need to practice.
Obviously there are varying levels. If you standard is being able to hit a standard piece of paper at 7 yards, that's less exacting than competition shooting.
But whatever you get, you need to be familiar with it on a regular basis.
Revolvers are nice because they don't have odd levers, releases and such. Easy to clean, easy to use. No safety, no ejecting the magazine by accident. Hence the recommendation. My first handgun was a revolver for that reason.
other group years ago and that came up. Now whenSHTF I would find a
way/place to practice, though also when SHTF I could find myself doing a
lot of reloading. Not that anyone really knows how TSHTF when
eventually TSDHTF..
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:55 PM (WQfDg)
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Anything you get has to be something you practice with regularly, or it's more of a hazard than a help.
I say that because guns don't just hit the target by magic, so in a bad situation, you might make it worse by thinking you can shoot your way out when in fact you can't.
As a friend of mine (who is a crack shot) once remarked: "Shooting is a perishable skill." You need to practice.
Obviously there are varying levels. If you standard is being able to hit a standard piece of paper at 7 yards, that's less exacting than competition shooting.
But whatever you get, you need to be familiar with it on a regular basis.
Revolvers are nice because they don't have odd levers, releases and such. Easy to clean, easy to use. No safety, no ejecting the magazine by accident. Hence the recommendation. My first handgun was a revolver for that reason.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:59 PM (cfSRQ)
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A Garand still with cosmoline? Where did he get it?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (gC2IV)
I didn't ask. But he was surprised when I showed him why his rifle was a single shot due to the build up.
He seemed embarrassed so I told him not to worry, it happens to everybody now and then.
Best way to learn is to fuck up now and then, unfortunately.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (gC2IV)
I didn't ask. But he was surprised when I showed him why his rifle was a single shot due to the build up.
He seemed embarrassed so I told him not to worry, it happens to everybody now and then.
Best way to learn is to fuck up now and then, unfortunately.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 07:59 PM (Z+IKu)
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This week's range report:
Went twice. First trip, shot 2 new S&W revolvers. Both .357 Mag, a Model 60 Pro and a Model 686 Pro. I've never shot revolvers before. I was semi-poor using a two-hand grip, and a little better using a single hand. Shooting right to low-right. I need to buy a cheap .22 revolver to work on mechanics using cheaper ammo than .38 Spcl. Or I need to give up on revolvers.
Second trip, took a friend from out-of-town. He said he shoots 9mm Glocks, a compact G(I can't remember) and a G43, at least twice a month. He has only shot Glocks. I let him shoot three of my Sigs, an M17 (9mm), a P226 (.357 Sig), and a 1911 TacOps (.45). He LOVED them. He could not believe how good the trigger pull was on the TacOps (he never shot a 1911 before) and the P226 (in single-action mode). He also said he found the P226 and 1911 more sold (non-flexing) than Glocks. I may have made a convert to Sigs, if his wife lets him buy one.
Went twice. First trip, shot 2 new S&W revolvers. Both .357 Mag, a Model 60 Pro and a Model 686 Pro. I've never shot revolvers before. I was semi-poor using a two-hand grip, and a little better using a single hand. Shooting right to low-right. I need to buy a cheap .22 revolver to work on mechanics using cheaper ammo than .38 Spcl. Or I need to give up on revolvers.
Second trip, took a friend from out-of-town. He said he shoots 9mm Glocks, a compact G(I can't remember) and a G43, at least twice a month. He has only shot Glocks. I let him shoot three of my Sigs, an M17 (9mm), a P226 (.357 Sig), and a 1911 TacOps (.45). He LOVED them. He could not believe how good the trigger pull was on the TacOps (he never shot a 1911 before) and the P226 (in single-action mode). He also said he found the P226 and 1911 more sold (non-flexing) than Glocks. I may have made a convert to Sigs, if his wife lets him buy one.
Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:00 PM (AMIL/)
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Happy Fathers Day horde dudes!!
Hubbymayhem says fathers day was very downplayed ìn media this yr. Because everyone is supposed to hate men and let women take over the world. I said, "if women take over the world, I will cut a bitch or 3 million. I will shoot them, stab them and blow them right the fuck up! I will only allow intelligent, sensible women who like men to live.. the rest are completely expendable. "
Hubbymayhem likes this plan.
Hubbymayhem says fathers day was very downplayed ìn media this yr. Because everyone is supposed to hate men and let women take over the world. I said, "if women take over the world, I will cut a bitch or 3 million. I will shoot them, stab them and blow them right the fuck up! I will only allow intelligent, sensible women who like men to live.. the rest are completely expendable. "
Hubbymayhem likes this plan.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 16, 2019 08:00 PM (myjNJ)
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And I promise to only shoot my own steel targets.
(But anyone else, feel free to blast away as long as you aren't using AP or .50 BMG)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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Are you gonna bring them on your bike?
(But anyone else, feel free to blast away as long as you aren't using AP or .50 BMG)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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Are you gonna bring them on your bike?
Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 08:01 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 08:01 PM (2DOZq)
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I was once fairly accurate with a .357. Wouldn't that be an option?
.357 will seat .38 ammo. Practice with .38 and put .357 in it for when SHTF.
.357 will seat .38 ammo. Practice with .38 and put .357 in it for when SHTF.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:02 PM (fuK7c)
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Ben Had, is either side of Waco good choice for lodging? Which is closest to pigcooker's spread?
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 08:02 PM (qBNEP)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (lD3vL)
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Last weekend I went through an 8 hour CCW qualification course, 4 hours on the range, and this week received my CCW permit in San Diego CA. Started the process in January.
Posted by: motionview at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (pYQR/)
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I was once fairly accurate with a .357. Wouldn't that be an option?
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (WQfDg)
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Sure, but more specifics are needed. What range were you shooting at? How big was your group? How long was the barrel? Were you actually using magnum rounds?
Firearms are tools, each specialized for a specific function. Thus, when people say "what should I get?" I always have to ask "what do you want to do with it?"
That's why collections grow almost of their own accord. The more you know about shooting, the more you understand how a particular weapon is even better at doing that one thing than the one you have right now. So you try to close the gaps, only to realize that your knowledge has made you aware of gaps you never knew existed.
Welcome to the rabbit hole.
I was once fairly accurate with a .357. Wouldn't that be an option?
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (WQfDg)
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Sure, but more specifics are needed. What range were you shooting at? How big was your group? How long was the barrel? Were you actually using magnum rounds?
Firearms are tools, each specialized for a specific function. Thus, when people say "what should I get?" I always have to ask "what do you want to do with it?"
That's why collections grow almost of their own accord. The more you know about shooting, the more you understand how a particular weapon is even better at doing that one thing than the one you have right now. So you try to close the gaps, only to realize that your knowledge has made you aware of gaps you never knew existed.
Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (xzK3J)
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Every once in a while troubles will crop up on a rifle. My XT-22 Marlin is having one of those periods. Normally this is about a 2 to 2.5 moa rifle at 100 yards. Now for reasons I haven't been able to diagnose it is shooting about 7 moa at that distance. I have three possible explanations.
1. I have shot the barrel out. (I don't believe that. .22s are such low velocity and low pressure rounds it would be really hard to burn up a barrel. Looking down the bore everything looks bright and shiny.)
2. The scope mount has worked loose, and the scope needs remounted. I have had that kind of problem before.3. The scope is broken (Scope is rated for a 50BMG recoil, pretty hard to believe I broke it with a .22 lr's recoil.)
As you may be able to tell I am leaning toward problem #2.
1. I have shot the barrel out. (I don't believe that. .22s are such low velocity and low pressure rounds it would be really hard to burn up a barrel. Looking down the bore everything looks bright and shiny.)
2. The scope mount has worked loose, and the scope needs remounted. I have had that kind of problem before.3. The scope is broken (Scope is rated for a 50BMG recoil, pretty hard to believe I broke it with a .22 lr's recoil.)
As you may be able to tell I am leaning toward problem #2.
Posted by: An Observation at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (mBISV)
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Wtp, Weasel is correct. A 38 special revolver is the way to go. Many people add a 12 or 20 ga. pump shotgun.
But having the firearms is only part of the story. You need to practice to become familiar with the guns, especially double action shooting with the revolver. You also have to give serious thought to being able to use firearms in a deadly situation.
But having the firearms is only part of the story. You need to practice to become familiar with the guns, especially double action shooting with the revolver. You also have to give serious thought to being able to use firearms in a deadly situation.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (bmdz3)
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Well as I said, when the time comes, I can practice. I just want to already have something stored away until then, just incase creeping gun bans seep in.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (WQfDg)
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152 My son is taking me to John Wick 3 tonight. Does that count as target practice?
Posted by: Ranger Gord at June 16, 2019 07:57 PM (9YABs)
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Only if you shoot at the screen.
Booohooohooo hoo, Blue Hawaii...
Posted by: Ranger Gord at June 16, 2019 07:57 PM (9YABs)
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Only if you shoot at the screen.
Booohooohooo hoo, Blue Hawaii...
Posted by: Zombie Elvis Presley at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (9SkN+)
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Revolvers are nice"
Until it's time to not be nice. Or something.
Either way, followed linkages to that new Model 19...
*Fans self*
*starts cipher'n bank account*
Until it's time to not be nice. Or something.
Either way, followed linkages to that new Model 19...
*Fans self*
*starts cipher'n bank account*
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (6qErC)
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Eromero, you are good here in Corsicana if you just make a reservation soon.
Pigcooker is actually closer to you than I am.
Pigcooker is actually closer to you than I am.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (SDVgT)
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I've never shot revolvers before. I was semi-poor using a two-hand grip, and a little better using a single hand. Shooting right to low-right. I need to buy a cheap .22 revolver to work on mechanics using cheaper ammo than .38 Spcl.
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Ruger Single Six, or similar.
https://tinyurl.com/yyoe7pw2
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Ruger Single Six, or similar.
https://tinyurl.com/yyoe7pw2
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:05 PM (K1IUD)
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Just found out my dad is having chainsaw problems, he bought another while first one is being fixed.
I don't give up that easy.
I don't give up that easy.
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (BbGew)
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Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)
*Manic laugh* This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)
*Manic laugh* This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)
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Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)
*Manic laugh* This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)
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Yep!
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)
*Manic laugh* This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)
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Yep!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:07 PM (MVjcR)
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Ruger Single Six, or similar. "
Amen.
Have that, plus a couple of other "cowboy" style revolvers, and usually carry Ruger LCR...
I like revolvers.
Amen.
Have that, plus a couple of other "cowboy" style revolvers, and usually carry Ruger LCR...
I like revolvers.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (6qErC)
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I took my son shooting in the back woods of our old home when he was 12 or so for the first time. He was hesitant so I started him off with a little 38 special that I had bought for home protection. Damned if the thing didn't jump nearly out of his hand when he fired it at a tree stump and almost hit him in the face. That was it for him. He has never held a gun in his hands again which is probably just as well.
Posted by: Henry Rearden at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (7fC1w)
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So you try to close the gaps, only to realize that your knowledge has made you aware of gaps you never knew existed.
And then you get to where the gaps don't matter, and with adequate training and waiting for the right conditions you can neck down what your EDC should look like.
There is a lot to say good about many commodity guns out there today. Manufacturers have done a great job, but still, despite all of the "better" platforms, I keep returning to that stupid little Grand Power 9mm. It isn't great at anything, but does everything good enough.
And then you get to where the gaps don't matter, and with adequate training and waiting for the right conditions you can neck down what your EDC should look like.
There is a lot to say good about many commodity guns out there today. Manufacturers have done a great job, but still, despite all of the "better" platforms, I keep returning to that stupid little Grand Power 9mm. It isn't great at anything, but does everything good enough.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (lD3vL)
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170
Well as I said, when the time comes, I can practice. I just want to
already have something stored away until then, just incase creeping gun
bans seep in.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (WQfDg)
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Nope, doesn't work that way. If the "time comes" you won't be able to practice because the ranges will be closed and ammo will be banned.
Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be.
Well as I said, when the time comes, I can practice. I just want to
already have something stored away until then, just incase creeping gun
bans seep in.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (WQfDg)
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Nope, doesn't work that way. If the "time comes" you won't be able to practice because the ranges will be closed and ammo will be banned.
Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (cfSRQ)
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My brother taught me how to shoot
My Dad taught me about boat racing.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:26 PM (SDVgT)
Any progress on the chainsaw front?
My Dad taught me about boat racing.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:26 PM (SDVgT)
Any progress on the chainsaw front?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (WG6O9)
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And oh yeah, I shot this past week, a G20 10MM, a G19 (my usual carry), and a FrankenAR w/20 inch Wylde upper on Scorpion lower. The AR was very accurate with just MagPul popup iron sights and no optics.
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (qBNEP)
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Just found out my dad is having chainsaw problems, he bought another while first one is being fixed.
Which reminds me, I need to fix the fuel lines on both my chainsaws.
Death by Ethanol.
Which reminds me, I need to fix the fuel lines on both my chainsaws.
Death by Ethanol.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (lD3vL)
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Ruger Single Six, or similar.
https://tinyurl.com/yyoe7pw2
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:05 PM (K1IUD)
Thanks for the recommendation. I've been thinking of going that route instead of the more expensive S&W .22 revolver route.
https://tinyurl.com/yyoe7pw2
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:05 PM (K1IUD)
Thanks for the recommendation. I've been thinking of going that route instead of the more expensive S&W .22 revolver route.
Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (AMIL/)
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176
Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)
*Manic laugh* This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)
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It's much cooler when spoken with the NZ accent.
Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)
*Manic laugh* This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)
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It's much cooler when spoken with the NZ accent.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (gC2IV)
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Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (cfSRQ)
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Sadly, this.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (cfSRQ)
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Sadly, this.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 08:10 PM (9SkN+)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:10 PM (lD3vL)
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Death by Ethanol."
Hush. Don't you know that's OK?
Oh, wait. Only for engines built to handle it...
Hush. Don't you know that's OK?
Oh, wait. Only for engines built to handle it...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:10 PM (6qErC)
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Browning Hi Power stamped...
Browning Arms Co Morgan Utah & Montreal F.O.
Junk compared to Belgium Browning or still well made?
Guy is asking 800, firm.
Also is CZ75 compact 9mm. $525.
Browning Arms Co Morgan Utah & Montreal F.O.
Junk compared to Belgium Browning or still well made?
Guy is asking 800, firm.
Also is CZ75 compact 9mm. $525.
Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 08:11 PM (ubFZv)
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I checked Baylor's schedule - Oct. 19, Baylor is playing Ok State in Stillwater, so hotels in Waco and vicinity should be fairly open.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (V2Yro)
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179
I took my son shooting in the back woods of our old home when he was 12
or so for the first time. He was hesitant so I started him off with a
little 38 special that I had bought for home protection. Damned if the
thing didn't jump nearly out of his hand when he fired it at a tree
stump and almost hit him in the face. That was it for him. He has never
held a gun in his hands again which is probably just as well.
Posted by: Henry Rearden at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (7fC1w)
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This is why I didn't let my daughters fire handguns until they had shot a long weapon first. A nice supported .22 rifle is perfect for getting kids used to recoil and what happens when things go bang.
Handguns come later, and always start with the number 22.
I took my son shooting in the back woods of our old home when he was 12
or so for the first time. He was hesitant so I started him off with a
little 38 special that I had bought for home protection. Damned if the
thing didn't jump nearly out of his hand when he fired it at a tree
stump and almost hit him in the face. That was it for him. He has never
held a gun in his hands again which is probably just as well.
Posted by: Henry Rearden at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (7fC1w)
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This is why I didn't let my daughters fire handguns until they had shot a long weapon first. A nice supported .22 rifle is perfect for getting kids used to recoil and what happens when things go bang.
Handguns come later, and always start with the number 22.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (cfSRQ)
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Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be.
Problem is, there are no public or club ranges that will permit you to practice in a way that is anywhere compatible with real-life in WOROL.
Maybe paintball or IPSC/IDPA shoots.
Problem is, there are no public or club ranges that will permit you to practice in a way that is anywhere compatible with real-life in WOROL.
Maybe paintball or IPSC/IDPA shoots.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (lD3vL)
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I've been thinking of going that route instead of the more expensive S&W .22 revolver route."
FWIW, take a look at "used" sales at your local range or stores - .22 revolvers seem to reappear w/light use and often remarkably low prices.
FWIW, take a look at "used" sales at your local range or stores - .22 revolvers seem to reappear w/light use and often remarkably low prices.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (6qErC)
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Happy Father's Day, 'Ron's.
It's almost the 12th (!) anniversary of my father's death, and I still miss him.
I grew up in Nigeria, so he didn't take us to the gun range.
But armed robbers came to our house one night when I was 16, terrorized some of us a bit and then locked us in the bathroom while they ransacked my parents bathroom (thank God for protecting us from physical harm and that somehow, they didn't take their valuable passports - they were to travel overseas soon after that).
Within a short time, my dad got a bunch of rifles or shotguns (don't know which just that they had long barrels) and would distribute them every night to the male staff on the property.
Note that my dad was about 63 at this time, retired in his dream house after a long distinguished career in the diplomatic service and after that, public service. He had lived quite a cushy life up till then and this kind of thing was entirely foreign to him. (Remember that it's a different culture from the US.)
But protecting his family was foremost in his mind and he was ready to do whatever it took. Just like the other dads in the neighborhood who also got firearms to protect their family and neighbors. (At the time, it was a relatively remote area where people had just started building houses, so we were a great target for armed robbers, like much of the rest of the state, but not where we had just moved from which was very safe.)
Thank you to good dads everywhere who lovingly protect their families from danger. Good husbands and fathers are so important and should be put on a pedestal just like mothers.
I love you, Daddy.
It's almost the 12th (!) anniversary of my father's death, and I still miss him.
I grew up in Nigeria, so he didn't take us to the gun range.
But armed robbers came to our house one night when I was 16, terrorized some of us a bit and then locked us in the bathroom while they ransacked my parents bathroom (thank God for protecting us from physical harm and that somehow, they didn't take their valuable passports - they were to travel overseas soon after that).
Within a short time, my dad got a bunch of rifles or shotguns (don't know which just that they had long barrels) and would distribute them every night to the male staff on the property.
Note that my dad was about 63 at this time, retired in his dream house after a long distinguished career in the diplomatic service and after that, public service. He had lived quite a cushy life up till then and this kind of thing was entirely foreign to him. (Remember that it's a different culture from the US.)
But protecting his family was foremost in his mind and he was ready to do whatever it took. Just like the other dads in the neighborhood who also got firearms to protect their family and neighbors. (At the time, it was a relatively remote area where people had just started building houses, so we were a great target for armed robbers, like much of the rest of the state, but not where we had just moved from which was very safe.)
Thank you to good dads everywhere who lovingly protect their families from danger. Good husbands and fathers are so important and should be put on a pedestal just like mothers.
I love you, Daddy.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (9hauA)
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It's much cooler when spoken with the NZ accent.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (gC2IV)
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Kiwi accents rule. In the early days of the internet when bosses didn't care what you did, I used to tune into a Wellington radio station and just listen to the morning traffic and weather. It was cool.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (gC2IV)
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Kiwi accents rule. In the early days of the internet when bosses didn't care what you did, I used to tune into a Wellington radio station and just listen to the morning traffic and weather. It was cool.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (cfSRQ)
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Hogmartin, did you get the flintlock cleared out? How do you knock the ball out of it when that happens?
Hogmartin, did you get the flintlock cleared out? How do you knock the ball out of it when that happens?
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (r3IfA)
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The first gun I shot, when I was abt 6, was a 22 rifle single shot that broke open in the middle where you put another round in.
God I loved that thing and wondered why anyone would need more than that.
God I loved that thing and wondered why anyone would need more than that.
Posted by: Tu abuela tambien at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (efMXe)
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"Nope, doesn't work that way. If the "time comes" you won't be able to practice because the ranges will be closed and ammo will be banned.
Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be."
See, now this is the crap. You don't know me, you don't know where I live, but most importantly you don't know the future. There are a bajillion scenarios where having a gun is better than not having a gun, regardless of training, because there will be plenty of time, and there are plenty of places, to practice.. And TBC, I'm not snubbing training. Just saying this absolitism is a distraction from the questions that I have.
Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be."
See, now this is the crap. You don't know me, you don't know where I live, but most importantly you don't know the future. There are a bajillion scenarios where having a gun is better than not having a gun, regardless of training, because there will be plenty of time, and there are plenty of places, to practice.. And TBC, I'm not snubbing training. Just saying this absolitism is a distraction from the questions that I have.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (WQfDg)
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Dads and shooting: I was into guns, my dad was not.
Buddies and I grew up shooting ground squirrels with a 22 rifle.
My son and I used to shoot together, but, he no longer lives near me, so, no longer.
Anyway, great thread, as usual, weasel.
Buddies and I grew up shooting ground squirrels with a 22 rifle.
My son and I used to shoot together, but, he no longer lives near me, so, no longer.
Anyway, great thread, as usual, weasel.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 16, 2019 08:15 PM (WEBkv)
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Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (9hauA)
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Great story, chique! Thanks for sharing and welcome to the gun thread!
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Great story, chique! Thanks for sharing and welcome to the gun thread!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:15 PM (MVjcR)
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Anyone looking for a 22 revolver should check out the Heritage Rough Rider or the new Ruger Wrangler. Both single action 22lr with fixed sights. They are both available for under $200.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:16 PM (bmdz3)
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Oh yeah, it was dad's gun and we left all them at the desert cabin but assholes broke in be and stole e be erythinf.
Posted by: Tu abuela tambien at June 16, 2019 08:16 PM (efMXe)
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Advocatus Diavoli: wtp asked us what to have in case SHTF.
He means to have. Y'all are yelling at him about how he has to become proficient first.
I'm thinking when SHTF you either have or do not have, you will not be able to acquire. So he deserves answers of to have.
He means to have. Y'all are yelling at him about how he has to become proficient first.
I'm thinking when SHTF you either have or do not have, you will not be able to acquire. So he deserves answers of to have.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:16 PM (fuK7c)
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since you don't know when "then" will be.
That is a bit more complicated that one would imagine.
How long does WOROL take place?
So lets say that things go sideways and the zombies have discovered your prepper stash and decide to socialize it among themselves.
Once they breech the doorway, game over. Your security broken. You are dead. So you lay down a perimeter and decide that nothing crosses it. Then you start stacking bodies like cord wood.
Then after a week WOROL is over and there is some semblance of order. You are now deemed a mass murderer and you are dead.
Lets say that ROL never returns and it is Thunderdome as far as the eye can see. How do you know?
The problem is, you don't know how long the Zombie Apocalypse will last, short and you go to prison if you plan short and it goes long, you will never know because you are dead.
That is a bit more complicated that one would imagine.
How long does WOROL take place?
So lets say that things go sideways and the zombies have discovered your prepper stash and decide to socialize it among themselves.
Once they breech the doorway, game over. Your security broken. You are dead. So you lay down a perimeter and decide that nothing crosses it. Then you start stacking bodies like cord wood.
Then after a week WOROL is over and there is some semblance of order. You are now deemed a mass murderer and you are dead.
Lets say that ROL never returns and it is Thunderdome as far as the eye can see. How do you know?
The problem is, you don't know how long the Zombie Apocalypse will last, short and you go to prison if you plan short and it goes long, you will never know because you are dead.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:17 PM (lD3vL)
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Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 16, 2019 08:15 PM (WEBkv)
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Why thank you, blake.
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Why thank you, blake.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)
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Problem is, there are no public or club ranges that
will permit you to practice in a way that is anywhere compatible with
real-life in WOROL.
Maybe paintball or IPSC/IDPA shoots.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (lD3vL)
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Disagree. I know of gun shops that offer what they call "advanced training" by retired cops. I mean to do it, but my schedule is rather cluttered. "Maybe next year," I sigh.
But in the meantime, I can at least know how things work and how to hit the target in controlled conditions - knowing they'll be worse if things get hot.
I just wish the damn canoes would stop tipping over! Just when I learn to use something, plop! Down to the bottom of the river it goes.
will permit you to practice in a way that is anywhere compatible with
real-life in WOROL.
Maybe paintball or IPSC/IDPA shoots.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (lD3vL)
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Disagree. I know of gun shops that offer what they call "advanced training" by retired cops. I mean to do it, but my schedule is rather cluttered. "Maybe next year," I sigh.
But in the meantime, I can at least know how things work and how to hit the target in controlled conditions - knowing they'll be worse if things get hot.
I just wish the damn canoes would stop tipping over! Just when I learn to use something, plop! Down to the bottom of the river it goes.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:17 PM (cfSRQ)
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***envisions a Rube Goldberg device incorporating WD-40, an air compressor, half a pound of Velveeta, a pair or tweezers, and a 40W Marshall tube amp***
***envisions a Rube Goldberg device incorporating WD-40, an air compressor, half a pound of Velveeta, a pair or tweezers, and a 40W Marshall tube amp***
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:17 PM (r3IfA)
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Hogmartin, did you get the flintlock cleared out? How do you knock the ball out of it when that happens?
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (r3IfA)
BORE WORMS
No really, it's a bit that attaches to the end of the rammer instead of the cleaning jag, that looks like a wood screw. You keep turning it into the ball until you either get it seated firmly and you can draw the ball back out, or you've removed enough lead from the center of the ball that it deforms more easily. It takes about ten or fifteen minutes.
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (r3IfA)
BORE WORMS
No really, it's a bit that attaches to the end of the rammer instead of the cleaning jag, that looks like a wood screw. You keep turning it into the ball until you either get it seated firmly and you can draw the ball back out, or you've removed enough lead from the center of the ball that it deforms more easily. It takes about ten or fifteen minutes.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:18 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Chris at June 16, 2019 08:19 PM (bx9W6)
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Thanks, Ben Had. Mrs. E can go ahead and make arrangements. Same setup on chow as before?
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 08:19 PM (qBNEP)
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Bingo, Bandersnatch...God, it's this way with fishermen, triathletes, cooks, any number of expertise stuff. Plenty of idiots posess guns and use them somewhat usefully without being "proficient". I should expect to have time to become reasonably proficient. I just don't want to be standing around with my dick in my hand if they ban personal firearms.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (WQfDg)
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204 Advocatus Diavoli: wtp asked us what to have in case SHTF.
He means to have. Y'all are yelling at him about how he has to become proficient first.
I'm thinking when SHTF you either have or do not have, you will not be able to acquire. So he deserves answers of to have.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:16 PM (fuK7c)
That's why I recommended shotgun.
He means to have. Y'all are yelling at him about how he has to become proficient first.
I'm thinking when SHTF you either have or do not have, you will not be able to acquire. So he deserves answers of to have.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:16 PM (fuK7c)
That's why I recommended shotgun.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (2DOZq)
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Also should have said, "nice post, because it was."
Love the looks of the Tanker Garand.
Who taught me to shoot?
That little booklet that came with my Daisy 1894 Spittin Image I got for Christmas in 5th grade.
In Jr High I was shooting locusts out of trees, through the wings, to keep them alive for fish bait.
In basic, outshot everyone in my company,,, and the other 5 that graduated the same day. Loved that M-16, though I did sight it in with a bit different sight pic than they told us to.
Yeah, I'm one of "those."
Love the looks of the Tanker Garand.
Who taught me to shoot?
That little booklet that came with my Daisy 1894 Spittin Image I got for Christmas in 5th grade.
In Jr High I was shooting locusts out of trees, through the wings, to keep them alive for fish bait.
In basic, outshot everyone in my company,,, and the other 5 that graduated the same day. Loved that M-16, though I did sight it in with a bit different sight pic than they told us to.
Yeah, I'm one of "those."
Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (ubFZv)
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I'm thinking when SHTF you either have or do not have, you will not be able to acquire. So he deserves answers of to have.
LOTS of AR-15s and LOTS of Glocks or Commodity Guns.
Why?
Because you will need to arm your neighbors and have a common ammo and magazine.
No person can defend their property on their own - you have to sleep sometime and very few people can handle the stress of being at Condition Orange all the time.
LOTS of AR-15s and LOTS of Glocks or Commodity Guns.
Why?
Because you will need to arm your neighbors and have a common ammo and magazine.
No person can defend their property on their own - you have to sleep sometime and very few people can handle the stress of being at Condition Orange all the time.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 08:21 PM (Sr57E)
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It takes about ten or fifteen minutes.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:18 PM
so, no velveeta "cheese" nor a Marshall stack amp?
pity
It takes about ten or fifteen minutes.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:18 PM
so, no velveeta "cheese" nor a Marshall stack amp?
pity
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:22 PM (r3IfA)
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He has never held a gun in his hands again which is probably just as well.
Posted by: Henry Rearden
Training people , especially young people in firearms is a process. Center-fire handguns are the last stage in the process. Were-ever possible it should go something like this.
Prone - single shot .22 rifle until competent/confident then kneeling/sitting then standing supported then offhand. Again until competent/confident .
Then a repeating .22 rifle - do it all over again from the start until competent/confident.
If happy, progress to a .222/.223 caliber bolt action , repeat all positions. Then move to a AR .223. Lots of repeats for this.
Progress to a .308 bolt then a .308 semi. Stop.
A year later after training on all rifles and positions regularly as mentioned, then think about other systems and maybe, just maybe pistolas. No full auto, no mag dumps just plain old, controlled, aimed fire.
Posted by: Henry Rearden
Training people , especially young people in firearms is a process. Center-fire handguns are the last stage in the process. Were-ever possible it should go something like this.
Prone - single shot .22 rifle until competent/confident then kneeling/sitting then standing supported then offhand. Again until competent/confident .
Then a repeating .22 rifle - do it all over again from the start until competent/confident.
If happy, progress to a .222/.223 caliber bolt action , repeat all positions. Then move to a AR .223. Lots of repeats for this.
Progress to a .308 bolt then a .308 semi. Stop.
A year later after training on all rifles and positions regularly as mentioned, then think about other systems and maybe, just maybe pistolas. No full auto, no mag dumps just plain old, controlled, aimed fire.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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Plenty of idiots posess guns and use them somewhat usefully without being "proficient".
There are all kinds of stories where a guy just stands there with a "tactical" and the zombies retreat because its common street knowledge that a rifle beats a Saturday Night Special.
There are all kinds of stories where a guy just stands there with a "tactical" and the zombies retreat because its common street knowledge that a rifle beats a Saturday Night Special.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:22 PM (lD3vL)
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so, no velveeta "cheese" nor a Marshall stack amp?
pity
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:22 PM (r3IfA)
Worse, it's actually called a ball or bullet puller. I just wanted to say 'bore worms'.
Sorry.
pity
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:22 PM (r3IfA)
Worse, it's actually called a ball or bullet puller. I just wanted to say 'bore worms'.
Sorry.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (t+qrx)
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See, now this is the crap. You don't know me, you
don't know where I live, but most importantly you don't know the future.
There are a bajillion scenarios where having a gun is better than not
having a gun, regardless of training, because there will be plenty of
time, and there are plenty of places, to practice.. And TBC, I'm not
snubbing training. Just saying this absolitism is a distraction from
the questions that I have.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (WQfDg)
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No, I don't know you, so I can only go off of the information I have.
Perhaps this analogy will clarify things. Let us say I usually take the bus around town. I don't have a car or a bike, because the bus is very convenient.
But I worry about rising civil disorder, and I'm not really close to things. So I think about getting a bike or a car in case the bus doesn't work.
Then I ask people, which I should have on hand, just in case. I don't intend to use it until then, just keep it in reserve.
But if I don't know how to drive or ride, what good will it do me?
Do you see my point?
Firearms break, sometimes in big ways, sometimes in small ones. If you don't know the weapon, it could be a fatal oversight.
The best solution (which is what we are trying to find) is something that is easy to use, affordable, and requires minimal practice and knowledge.
Hence, a revolver.
don't know where I live, but most importantly you don't know the future.
There are a bajillion scenarios where having a gun is better than not
having a gun, regardless of training, because there will be plenty of
time, and there are plenty of places, to practice.. And TBC, I'm not
snubbing training. Just saying this absolitism is a distraction from
the questions that I have.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (WQfDg)
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No, I don't know you, so I can only go off of the information I have.
Perhaps this analogy will clarify things. Let us say I usually take the bus around town. I don't have a car or a bike, because the bus is very convenient.
But I worry about rising civil disorder, and I'm not really close to things. So I think about getting a bike or a car in case the bus doesn't work.
Then I ask people, which I should have on hand, just in case. I don't intend to use it until then, just keep it in reserve.
But if I don't know how to drive or ride, what good will it do me?
Do you see my point?
Firearms break, sometimes in big ways, sometimes in small ones. If you don't know the weapon, it could be a fatal oversight.
The best solution (which is what we are trying to find) is something that is easy to use, affordable, and requires minimal practice and knowledge.
Hence, a revolver.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (cfSRQ)
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Thanks for the recommendation. I've been thinking of going that route instead of the more expensive S&W .22 revolver route.
Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (AMIL/)
Any time I want to relearn the basics, and humble myself in the process, I pick up the old single action.
A hint for consistency: Grip the gun comfortably with one hand (right, most likely).
DO NOT VARY THAT GRIP, through the process of cocking with LEFT HAND,
DO NOT VARY the grip while aim/fire, and
DO NOT VARY the grip when cocking again with LEFT HAND.
DO NOT VARY the grip for the next shot, etc.
DO NOT VARY the grip.
Consistency will improve.
Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (AMIL/)
Any time I want to relearn the basics, and humble myself in the process, I pick up the old single action.
A hint for consistency: Grip the gun comfortably with one hand (right, most likely).
DO NOT VARY THAT GRIP, through the process of cocking with LEFT HAND,
DO NOT VARY the grip while aim/fire, and
DO NOT VARY the grip when cocking again with LEFT HAND.
DO NOT VARY the grip for the next shot, etc.
DO NOT VARY the grip.
Consistency will improve.
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (K1IUD)
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Don't overlook dry firing for your training needs.
Yes, it's boring, repetitive and no big boom at the end, but it gives you time with your weapon for familiarization and reloading drills, sight and sight picture as well as trigger feel and weight.
Most expert shooters spend more time dry firing than at a live fire range. 10-15 minutes a day for a week in your home and you will learn things you miss at the range.
Yes, it's boring, repetitive and no big boom at the end, but it gives you time with your weapon for familiarization and reloading drills, sight and sight picture as well as trigger feel and weight.
Most expert shooters spend more time dry firing than at a live fire range. 10-15 minutes a day for a week in your home and you will learn things you miss at the range.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (Z+IKu)
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got to the range twice this week.
Monday, shot the S&W vic. Very happy with the devastion inflicted upon the targets.
Friday took out the M&P 15 II. Ripped up a target at 55 yards pretty good. I really want a scope.
Any advice on a Quick Release mount that's not expensive?
Monday, shot the S&W vic. Very happy with the devastion inflicted upon the targets.
Friday took out the M&P 15 II. Ripped up a target at 55 yards pretty good. I really want a scope.
Any advice on a Quick Release mount that's not expensive?
Posted by: ArthurK at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (KB7lj)
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envisions a Rube Goldberg device incorporating WD-40, an air compressor, half a pound of Velveeta, a pair or tweezers, and a 40W Marshall tube amp"
Throw in a case of beer and it sounds like a good weekend...
Throw in a case of beer and it sounds like a good weekend...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:24 PM (6qErC)
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Bingo again, bbf. Brandashing a weapon in most cases is a bad idea but in many, many cases, brandashing a weapon is still a better early on tactic than firing one. Hard to do though with nothing but a banana in your pocket.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:25 PM (WQfDg)
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Best gun I've ever held (never fired, by the time I was allowed to hold it, grandpa thought it was too fragile to fire anymore) was a Kentucky Long Rifle, carried by an ancestor of mine named Hardin Safford in the French and Indian War. Beautiful tiger striped wood in the stock - I was already 6' when I was 18, and I recall when I placed the stock on the ground, I would have to lift up my chin to rest it on the barrel. (that was just to measure how long it was, nothing more nefarious) About 100 years ago or more, it got converted to a cap and ball, but Grandpa remembered hunting squirrels with it when he was a kid.
I was kinda mad when Grandpa left it to an uncle by marriage when he passed (all of his kids were daughters who didn't care much for guns) BUT Uncle later donated it to a museum, which is really where it needed to be. So can't be mad about that - it was a privilege just to be able to hold it.
I was kinda mad when Grandpa left it to an uncle by marriage when he passed (all of his kids were daughters who didn't care much for guns) BUT Uncle later donated it to a museum, which is really where it needed to be. So can't be mad about that - it was a privilege just to be able to hold it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 08:25 PM (V2Yro)
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Any advice on a Quick Release mount that's not expensive?
Posted by: ArthurK at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (KB7lj)
I have a Primary Arms Deluxe on mine. $60.
It probably isn't the classiest mount, but it hasn't fallen off yet.
Posted by: ArthurK at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (KB7lj)
I have a Primary Arms Deluxe on mine. $60.
It probably isn't the classiest mount, but it hasn't fallen off yet.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (t+qrx)
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Disagree. I know of gun shops that offer what they call "advanced training" by retired cops.
Are you regularly pieing the building, shooting at obscured targets while running for cover in low to no light situations. Are you firing while crawling, or on your back, or on your side shooting under tables, beds, with the weak hand, etc.?
Does your range allow you to live fire weapon transitions on the move?
How about point-blank shooting exercises where you are palm-heeling a target in the face while pumping rounds in to their abdomen?
Are you regularly pieing the building, shooting at obscured targets while running for cover in low to no light situations. Are you firing while crawling, or on your back, or on your side shooting under tables, beds, with the weak hand, etc.?
Does your range allow you to live fire weapon transitions on the move?
How about point-blank shooting exercises where you are palm-heeling a target in the face while pumping rounds in to their abdomen?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (lD3vL)
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Any advice on a Quick Release mount that's not expensive?
Posted by: ArthurK at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (KB7lj)
Spend the money. I was cheap and used junk. No more. Sphur, A.R.M.S or nothing else.
Any advice on a Quick Release mount that's not expensive?
Posted by: ArthurK at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (KB7lj)
Spend the money. I was cheap and used junk. No more. Sphur, A.R.M.S or nothing else.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:27 PM (bgJ0E)
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Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 08:25 PM (V2Yro)
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That's a cool story! Thanks Tom Servo!
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That's a cool story! Thanks Tom Servo!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:27 PM (MVjcR)
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Bingo, Bandersnatch...God, it's this way with fishermen, triathletes,
cooks, any number of expertise stuff. Plenty of idiots posess guns and
use them somewhat usefully without being "proficient". I should expect
to have time to become reasonably proficient. I just don't want to be
standing around with my dick in my hand if they ban personal firearms.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (WQfDg)
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Ah, a definitional problem, perhaps?
To me, "proficient" means simply "not a danger to yourself or others."
I remarked before that if you can hit a piece of paper 7 yards away, that's often good enough. No need to be a SOCOM expert here.
A further question is whether it is for home use exclusively, or personal defense. I'm a big fan of shotguns, but here also you need to be able to control (and clean!) whatever you get.
I fall back on the car/bike analogy. Ownership often comes with ancillary items, like tire gauges, air pumps, etc. So you'll also need a cleaning kit and an idea of how to use it.
Bingo, Bandersnatch...God, it's this way with fishermen, triathletes,
cooks, any number of expertise stuff. Plenty of idiots posess guns and
use them somewhat usefully without being "proficient". I should expect
to have time to become reasonably proficient. I just don't want to be
standing around with my dick in my hand if they ban personal firearms.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (WQfDg)
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Ah, a definitional problem, perhaps?
To me, "proficient" means simply "not a danger to yourself or others."
I remarked before that if you can hit a piece of paper 7 yards away, that's often good enough. No need to be a SOCOM expert here.
A further question is whether it is for home use exclusively, or personal defense. I'm a big fan of shotguns, but here also you need to be able to control (and clean!) whatever you get.
I fall back on the car/bike analogy. Ownership often comes with ancillary items, like tire gauges, air pumps, etc. So you'll also need a cleaning kit and an idea of how to use it.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (cfSRQ)
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Thanks, Weasel!
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (9hauA)
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Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)
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You'll shoot your eye out.
Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 08:29 PM (Sr57E)
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Are you regularly pieing the building,
shooting at obscured targets while running for cover in low to no light
situations. Are you firing while crawling, or on your back, or on your
side shooting under tables, beds, with the weak hand, etc.?
Does your range allow you to live fire weapon transitions on the move?
How about point-blank shooting exercises where you are palm-heeling a
target in the face while pumping rounds in to their abdomen?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (lD3vL)
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You are the most relentlessly optimistic poster I've ever met at AoSHQ.
Seriously, the upbeat tone of your prose has me grinning from ear to ear.
shooting at obscured targets while running for cover in low to no light
situations. Are you firing while crawling, or on your back, or on your
side shooting under tables, beds, with the weak hand, etc.?
Does your range allow you to live fire weapon transitions on the move?
How about point-blank shooting exercises where you are palm-heeling a
target in the face while pumping rounds in to their abdomen?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (lD3vL)
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You are the most relentlessly optimistic poster I've ever met at AoSHQ.
Seriously, the upbeat tone of your prose has me grinning from ear to ear.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:30 PM (cfSRQ)
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Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.
Dude, in the middle of the noise you got two practical suggestions. Revolver or pump shotgun.
Go forth and acquire.
Dude, in the middle of the noise you got two practical suggestions. Revolver or pump shotgun.
Go forth and acquire.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:30 PM (fuK7c)
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How about point-blank shooting exercises where you are palm-heeling a
target in the face while pumping rounds in to their abdomen?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (lD3vL)
Just fire 2 shotgun rds through the front door.
How about point-blank shooting exercises where you are palm-heeling a
target in the face while pumping rounds in to their abdomen?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (lD3vL)
Just fire 2 shotgun rds through the front door.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:31 PM (bgJ0E)
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Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)
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Well feel free to stick around. It's kind of a complex question without a really simple, single answer. All things considered, I'd suggest a revolver. Good luck!
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)
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Well feel free to stick around. It's kind of a complex question without a really simple, single answer. All things considered, I'd suggest a revolver. Good luck!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:31 PM (MVjcR)
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To me, "proficient" means simply "not a danger to yourself or others."
An excellent summary.
I can load, fire, disassemble, clean, and reassemble every firearm at casa mouse, and that's fine with me. YMMV.
An excellent summary.
I can load, fire, disassemble, clean, and reassemble every firearm at casa mouse, and that's fine with me. YMMV.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:32 PM (6qErC)
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Man the Velveeta cannon, Mr. French!
Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at June 16, 2019 08:33 PM (EgshT)
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Oh, that I got and thanks. Just didn't need the whole 9 yards you'll shoot your eye out bit.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:33 PM (WQfDg)
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Our father taught us all to shot but never hunted. He said he'd killed enough in Europe in WWII. He was a hard person - when we boys would go hunting, if the limit was 3, he gave us 3 shells and expected us to bring home 3 birds. Growing up in the rural midwest in the '50s, food on the table sometimes was what we brought home. He died over 40 years ago and he is still missed. Heck of a guy. I hope my son thinks of me the same.
Posted by: oldgeezer at June 16, 2019 08:33 PM (Wb5vb)
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I have no dog in this hunt but home defense is about demobilization.
A shotgun gun increases those odds in a panic situation.
A shotgun gun increases those odds in a panic situation.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 08:34 PM (SDVgT)
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Dad served in WWII. He was a 1st Lieutenant with the 813th Tank Destroyer Battalion. He brought back a FB Radom Vis 35 that he got off a guy that got it off a German prisoner. To my knowledge he never shot it here in the US. We have taken it to the range and it works pretty well. Mr. L says it has the nicest trigger pull of any gun he has ever shot. It looks pretty rough, probably because it was made at the end of the war when they must have been cranking the weapons out.
Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at June 16, 2019 08:34 PM (Vf4Y7)
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I had to replace the gas lines on my Craftsman chainsaw last year.
Keeping these chainsaw bayonets operating is a lot of work.
Keeping these chainsaw bayonets operating is a lot of work.
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:34 PM (BbGew)
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Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)
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What's wrong with the revolver/shotgun combo? Get one of each. You can get second-hand copies of both super-cheap.
The point is simply that practice makes you better. No one's demanding that you do anything, just giving the best advice we can.
Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)
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What's wrong with the revolver/shotgun combo? Get one of each. You can get second-hand copies of both super-cheap.
The point is simply that practice makes you better. No one's demanding that you do anything, just giving the best advice we can.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:35 PM (cfSRQ)
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Of the things I mentioned above that would not only get your forcibly removed from the range, but also permanently banned - much of this can be found in private lessons.
Practice can and should happen at home with LED reactive targets that use your own firearm to hold the laser gizmo.
The best gun for this is the Taurus PT 24/7 OSS DS that has a "double striker" feature so that you don't have to tap-rack and roll to set up the next one. (just keep pulling the trigger and the striker keeps hitting the lazer gizmo)
You can then go Rambo around the house any time you want. You just don't get the deafening noise and the muzzle blast.
Practice can and should happen at home with LED reactive targets that use your own firearm to hold the laser gizmo.
The best gun for this is the Taurus PT 24/7 OSS DS that has a "double striker" feature so that you don't have to tap-rack and roll to set up the next one. (just keep pulling the trigger and the striker keeps hitting the lazer gizmo)
You can then go Rambo around the house any time you want. You just don't get the deafening noise and the muzzle blast.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (lD3vL)
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The Old Man didn't teach me to shoot (he was career Navy and was kind of meh of the subject of firearms after nearly getting killed in combat in Vietnam), but my Uncle Jerry did. When I was about 12, he started me out with a .22 rifle shooting down the hill behind his house with "Mud Lane" as a back-stop. Did I mention that Uncle Jerry was a gen--oo--wine hillbilly?
After I got proficient with the .22, he asked if I wanted to shoot "a real gun" and I, of course, said yes. He unlimbers a .58cal muzzle-loader. When I pull the trigger, the recoil knocked me on by ass. Uncle Jerry laughed like a maniac.
Later in the 1980s, the Old Man got an interest in WWII firearms and bought a Garand, an M-1 carbine and a 1911. We went shooting a fair amount at a local range until the arthritis got too bad in his hands.
After I got proficient with the .22, he asked if I wanted to shoot "a real gun" and I, of course, said yes. He unlimbers a .58cal muzzle-loader. When I pull the trigger, the recoil knocked me on by ass. Uncle Jerry laughed like a maniac.
Later in the 1980s, the Old Man got an interest in WWII firearms and bought a Garand, an M-1 carbine and a 1911. We went shooting a fair amount at a local range until the arthritis got too bad in his hands.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (5Yee7)
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244 I have no dog in this hunt but home defense is about demobilization.
A shotgun gun increases those odds in a panic situation.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 08:34 PM (SDVgT)
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Sure, but in his hypothetical SHTF scenario, I thought concealment might be a factor, too. Hence, revolver.
A shotgun gun increases those odds in a panic situation.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 08:34 PM (SDVgT)
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Sure, but in his hypothetical SHTF scenario, I thought concealment might be a factor, too. Hence, revolver.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)
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Junk compared to Belgium Browning or still well made?
Guy is asking 800, firm.
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they aren't making them anymore, so prices are only going to go up.
if you want it, get it.
Junk compared to Belgium Browning or still well made?
Guy is asking 800, firm.
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they aren't making them anymore, so prices are only going to go up.
if you want it, get it.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (KEX6Y)
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You are never to old to learn. At 74 years old I am still decent with a shotgun, shot skeet for years and still do to tune up for dove season in Texas. I am all right with a rifle shooting deer and a few other critters but I sucked with a pistol. Three years ago I started shooting Steel Challenge with a .22 pistol at our local .22 only range. We run about 120 rounds with a pistol and another 80 with rifle on the first Saturday of every month.
My goal at my age was not to come out last and I have slowly moved up to the middle and we do have some long time good shooters who leave me in the dust. Last time out a new guy showed up with a fantastic .22 W&W and only one magazine so I helped him reload and he never missed but he was a bit slow. Long story short he lives about a long block from me so we had coffee at my house early last week and he told me that he was a Texas Highway patrolman in the 1970s and on a team that took Nationals during his last years.
We went out to the Bander gun range two days ago and he taught me more, I read a lot and have had some help but in one hour I learned so damn much about what I was doing wrong with over 50 years of bad pistol shooting and he was patient and matter of fact without playing drill instructor. Of course the fact that he took his old Trooper Colt .357 shooting .38 specials and while I was all over my target at 7 yards he was drilling holes in the center of the little man in the upper left corner of the target shooting double action.
The moral to my story is if you suck try to find a nice person and asked for help.
My goal at my age was not to come out last and I have slowly moved up to the middle and we do have some long time good shooters who leave me in the dust. Last time out a new guy showed up with a fantastic .22 W&W and only one magazine so I helped him reload and he never missed but he was a bit slow. Long story short he lives about a long block from me so we had coffee at my house early last week and he told me that he was a Texas Highway patrolman in the 1970s and on a team that took Nationals during his last years.
We went out to the Bander gun range two days ago and he taught me more, I read a lot and have had some help but in one hour I learned so damn much about what I was doing wrong with over 50 years of bad pistol shooting and he was patient and matter of fact without playing drill instructor. Of course the fact that he took his old Trooper Colt .357 shooting .38 specials and while I was all over my target at 7 yards he was drilling holes in the center of the little man in the upper left corner of the target shooting double action.
The moral to my story is if you suck try to find a nice person and asked for help.
Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (8/hDC)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)
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As for chainsaws, go electric. Much lighter and easier to weild and will make short work of zombies even as big as Saquile Oniel. Provided you keep them tuned, sharp, and clean of course.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:38 PM (WQfDg)
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This week's range report:
Went twice. First trip, shot 2 new SW revolvers. Both .357
Mag, a Model 60 Pro and a Model 686 Pro. I've never shot revolvers
before. I was semi-poor using a two-hand grip, and a little better
using a single hand. Shooting right to low-right. I need to buy a
cheap .22 revolver to work on mechanics using cheaper ammo than .38
Spcl. Or I need to give up on revolvers.
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A gunsmith told me to put a pencil in the barrel and put the pencil against a wall with paper. Then pull and pull until there is a very small movement of the line made by the pencil. Some people pull quick, some pull long. Find what works for YOU. SA with the light trigger pull keeps it on target.Do the drill above with DA. DA made me pull all the shots down and to the right.
Went twice. First trip, shot 2 new SW revolvers. Both .357
Mag, a Model 60 Pro and a Model 686 Pro. I've never shot revolvers
before. I was semi-poor using a two-hand grip, and a little better
using a single hand. Shooting right to low-right. I need to buy a
cheap .22 revolver to work on mechanics using cheaper ammo than .38
Spcl. Or I need to give up on revolvers.
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A gunsmith told me to put a pencil in the barrel and put the pencil against a wall with paper. Then pull and pull until there is a very small movement of the line made by the pencil. Some people pull quick, some pull long. Find what works for YOU. SA with the light trigger pull keeps it on target.Do the drill above with DA. DA made me pull all the shots down and to the right.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 16, 2019 08:38 PM (pw+jk)
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Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)
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no, that;s what the ONT is for...
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)
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no, that;s what the ONT is for...
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (KEX6Y)
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Oh, that I got and thanks. Just didn't need the whole 9 yards you'll shoot your eye out bit.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:33 PM (WQfDg)
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Well, I certainly didn't say that.
Practice is helpful and also fun! Not knowing where you are, maybe that's illegal or something. But getting to know your equipment is always a good thing, that's all.
Oh, that I got and thanks. Just didn't need the whole 9 yards you'll shoot your eye out bit.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:33 PM (WQfDg)
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Well, I certainly didn't say that.
Practice is helpful and also fun! Not knowing where you are, maybe that's illegal or something. But getting to know your equipment is always a good thing, that's all.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (cfSRQ)
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253 So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)
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Birdshot.
But the last round should be a slug, just for good luck.
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)
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Birdshot.
But the last round should be a slug, just for good luck.
Posted by: Bob Seger at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (9SkN+)
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I think the only practice local urban yutes get is from shooting at streetlights, signs, random cars, and other local urban yutes.
Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (UdKB7)
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Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:38 PM (WQfDg)
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until there is no electricity, of course...
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until there is no electricity, of course...
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (KEX6Y)
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A hypothetical for the more experienced:
I would normally carry a rifle (in a soft case) in my vehicle, if I had one, but it needs to be moved often due to folks getting into the back seat sometimes. If that would happen, I would need to move the rifle from the second seat into the third seat area - I have an SUV.
It's a hassle and further, folks see me move the soft case around and I would prefer they don't.
Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement? The rife and case live in the vehicle. The home has it's own armament and, except for cleaning, the rifle doesn't come into the house.
Thanks
I would normally carry a rifle (in a soft case) in my vehicle, if I had one, but it needs to be moved often due to folks getting into the back seat sometimes. If that would happen, I would need to move the rifle from the second seat into the third seat area - I have an SUV.
It's a hassle and further, folks see me move the soft case around and I would prefer they don't.
Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement? The rife and case live in the vehicle. The home has it's own armament and, except for cleaning, the rifle doesn't come into the house.
Thanks
Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (Y4EXg)
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So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?
A blunderbuss loaded with Twinkies.
A blunderbuss loaded with Twinkies.
Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (EgshT)
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You think there will be reliable electricity when the zombie times come? Will you be able to siphon a gallon of electricity from the abandoned cars of zombie victims?
Internal combustion FTW.
Internal combustion FTW.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (6qErC)
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Get a 38 wtp. Just learn how it works and put it away if you want. Something is better than nothing.
Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:41 PM (UdKB7)
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A blunderbuss loaded with Twinkies.
Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (EgshT)
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Ha!
Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (EgshT)
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Ha!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:41 PM (MVjcR)
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Ruger Single Six, or similar.
https://tinyurl.com/yyoe7pw2
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:05 PM (K1IUD)
I love the trigger pull on my Ruger Single Six. The revolver is rather heavy for a .22 handgun but will drive tacks if you fire it from a sandbag. Mrs. Cop likes it, too.
https://tinyurl.com/yyoe7pw2
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:05 PM (K1IUD)
I love the trigger pull on my Ruger Single Six. The revolver is rather heavy for a .22 handgun but will drive tacks if you fire it from a sandbag. Mrs. Cop likes it, too.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 16, 2019 08:41 PM (5Yee7)
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So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)
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Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)
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Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (cfSRQ)
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Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement?
Bullpup (e.g. Tavor, Seyr, Desertech) . Tennis racquet case.
Bullpup (e.g. Tavor, Seyr, Desertech) . Tennis racquet case.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (lD3vL)
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Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement? The rife and case live in the vehicle. The home has it's own armament and, except for cleaning, the rifle doesn't come into the house.
Thanks
Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (Y4EXg)
What is the rifle and what are you using it for?
Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement? The rife and case live in the vehicle. The home has it's own armament and, except for cleaning, the rifle doesn't come into the house.
Thanks
Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (Y4EXg)
What is the rifle and what are you using it for?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (bgJ0E)
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I would need to move the rifle from the second seat into the third seat area - I have an SUV."
Often have a .22 Marlin lever in a soft case. Sewed several Velcro strips and it hangs nicely on the 2nd row seabacks, out of sight...
Often have a .22 Marlin lever in a soft case. Sewed several Velcro strips and it hangs nicely on the 2nd row seabacks, out of sight...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (6qErC)
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If you are unfamiliar with firearms, not willing to participate in any training and want one for end times then get a short barrel rifle that can fire a bunch of rounds in a short period of time and stock up on magazines. And keep them full.
Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (xVXP1)
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"until there is no electricity, of course... "
I have my wife on the bike hooked up to a generator right now, in fact...
I have my wife on the bike hooked up to a generator right now, in fact...
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:43 PM (WQfDg)
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Sure, but in his hypothetical SHTF scenario, I thought concealment might be a factor, too. Hence, revolver.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)
Honestly, with what we have to go on, disabling vehicles could be a factor as far as I know. I refuse to feel bad about an unsatisfactory answer to "I don't use x what's the best x to get".
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)
Honestly, with what we have to go on, disabling vehicles could be a factor as far as I know. I refuse to feel bad about an unsatisfactory answer to "I don't use x what's the best x to get".
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:43 PM (t+qrx)
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You think there will be reliable electricity when the zombie times come? Will you be able to siphon a gallon of electricity from the abandoned cars of zombie victims?
Is it possible to siphon a tank since the 1990s? I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature.
Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank and capture the fuel as it pours out of the bottom.
Is it possible to siphon a tank since the 1990s? I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature.
Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank and capture the fuel as it pours out of the bottom.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)
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252 ... "You are never to old to learn. At 74 years old I am still decent with a shotgun, shot skeet for years and still do to tune up for dove season in Texas. I am all right with a rifle shooting deer and a few other critters but I sucked with a pistol. Three years ago I started shooting Steel Challenge with a .22 pistol at our local .22 only range. We run about 120 rounds with a pistol and another 80 with rifle on the first Saturday of every month."
OldTexan, I love your attitude. That's why I've gotten interested in longer range shooting, which for me means out to 300 yards. New challenges slow aging. (I hope.)
OldTexan, I love your attitude. That's why I've gotten interested in longer range shooting, which for me means out to 300 yards. New challenges slow aging. (I hope.)
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (bmdz3)
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Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank and capture the fuel as it pours out of the bottom.
Well, good. Now this is turning into a practical zombie thread.
Well, good. Now this is turning into a practical zombie thread.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:45 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:46 PM (r3IfA)
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My dad was always afraid of guns.
I wish I'd had a father who had been willing to teach me or who just shared any of my interests.
And on that cheerful note, longish range report follows
I wish I'd had a father who had been willing to teach me or who just shared any of my interests.
And on that cheerful note, longish range report follows
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:46 PM (xJa6I)
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Bandersnatch @ 237- That right there is some good advice. Always start with the shotgun and revolver because the darn things work. In 'somebody's' bedroom you may find a 12ga Mossberg 590T, an AK, SandW Gov, 2 Ruger .357's, 1 SandW .38, and whatever Glock was carried today.
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (qBNEP)
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I am all right with a rifle shooting deer and a few other critters
The domesticated antlered rats here in Texas, you just walk up to them and wack them between the eyes with a ball peen hammer.
Less noise, don't have to share the skimpy amounts of meat with those who are too beta to kill a deer but are hungry enough to eat one.
The domesticated antlered rats here in Texas, you just walk up to them and wack them between the eyes with a ball peen hammer.
Less noise, don't have to share the skimpy amounts of meat with those who are too beta to kill a deer but are hungry enough to eat one.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (lD3vL)
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"I have my wife on the bike hooked up to a generator right now, in fact..."
Cool! Is it close enough to the kitchen counter and fridge for her to make sandwiches too?
Cool! Is it close enough to the kitchen counter and fridge for her to make sandwiches too?
Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (UdKB7)
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DO NOT VARY the grip.
Consistency will improve.
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (K1IUD)
Thank you for the help and encouragement.
I don't want to give up on revolvers. I own a lot of rifles and semi-auto pistols. Always wanted to own a big-bore revolver, so I bought a couplenow that I have the $$$. The grip on the guns and the two-hand hold options are a lot different to me than semi-autos. I need to practice, dry and live fire.
Consistency will improve.
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (K1IUD)
Thank you for the help and encouragement.
I don't want to give up on revolvers. I own a lot of rifles and semi-auto pistols. Always wanted to own a big-bore revolver, so I bought a couplenow that I have the $$$. The grip on the guns and the two-hand hold options are a lot different to me than semi-autos. I need to practice, dry and live fire.
Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (AMIL/)
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Thanks for the reply redc.
Problem is, I am not so well heeled as to be able to drop that kind of $ on something that is not well made.
And asked about the CZ because I've seen them ( CZ's ) spoken highly of but can't remember comments on that particular model.
Have a Colt M1991A1 that will take care of things in a pinch.
But I don't think anything, well, any firearm, ever felt as good in my hand as a Belgium Browning I held once.
Problem is, I am not so well heeled as to be able to drop that kind of $ on something that is not well made.
And asked about the CZ because I've seen them ( CZ's ) spoken highly of but can't remember comments on that particular model.
Have a Colt M1991A1 that will take care of things in a pinch.
But I don't think anything, well, any firearm, ever felt as good in my hand as a Belgium Browning I held once.
Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (ubFZv)
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Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank and capture the fuel as it pours out of the bottom.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)
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LOL: sparks are sparks.
i wanna watch you do that, but from a ways away, and upwind.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)
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LOL: sparks are sparks.
i wanna watch you do that, but from a ways away, and upwind.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (KEX6Y)
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Lights out should have been 45 minutes ago
Good night horde
Good night horde
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (BbGew)
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I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature. "
Yep. Fully pressurized system means no easy access.
After drilling said hole, have a bit of cheesecloth across bottom of funnel to keep out bigger debris.
Yep. Fully pressurized system means no easy access.
After drilling said hole, have a bit of cheesecloth across bottom of funnel to keep out bigger debris.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (6qErC)
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"Cool! Is it close enough to the kitchen counter and fridge for her to make sandwiches too?"
No. I want her 100% focused on generating electricity. I'm not a sadist.
No. I want her 100% focused on generating electricity. I'm not a sadist.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:49 PM (WQfDg)
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286 Lights out should have been 45 minutes ago
Good night horde
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (BbGew)
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'Night Skip!
Good night horde
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (BbGew)
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'Night Skip!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:49 PM (MVjcR)
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Honestly, with what we have to go on, disabling
vehicles could be a factor as far as I know. I refuse to feel bad about
an unsatisfactory answer to "I don't use x what's the best x to get".
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:43 PM (t+qrx)
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Behold! The voice of sanity.
If you don't know what you're doing with whatever you have, it's often worse than nothing. Last weekend I found just how out of practice I was with the AR platform. I could bull my way through on residual know-how, but I'd rather not be doing that in a panic situation. So now I'm all about making it second nature.
That's the wisdom I have to impart.
vehicles could be a factor as far as I know. I refuse to feel bad about
an unsatisfactory answer to "I don't use x what's the best x to get".
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:43 PM (t+qrx)
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Behold! The voice of sanity.
If you don't know what you're doing with whatever you have, it's often worse than nothing. Last weekend I found just how out of practice I was with the AR platform. I could bull my way through on residual know-how, but I'd rather not be doing that in a panic situation. So now I'm all about making it second nature.
That's the wisdom I have to impart.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:49 PM (cfSRQ)
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If I presume your rifle is a SHTF one, a semi .22 will do to start due to size. I have used .22 Marlin Papoose take down in a softcase with velcro to hide in the boot of a car, also a takedown Ruger 10/22 in the tire well. A pump 12ga can live in the rear bench seat if you do some foam mods and want to hide away.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (bgJ0E)
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An S&W 3" M66 is doggone near perfection.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (DMUuz)
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AFAIK, Browning has never put their name on poorly made firearms*.
we have at least one with those markings, and it's a fine gun, for a 9mm.
* and someone here will correct me if'n i'm wrong about it. (Salt wood guns are a different issue, and they made that right when discovered)
we have at least one with those markings, and it's a fine gun, for a 9mm.
* and someone here will correct me if'n i'm wrong about it. (Salt wood guns are a different issue, and they made that right when discovered)
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (KEX6Y)
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A 38 revolver is great gun to learn on. You can see if it's loaded, you can sit in your chair and examine it and dry fire if you wish and get totally familiar with how it works. Plus is small and easy to store and secure.
Don't ever load it indoors though. That's a rule around here.
Don't ever load it indoors though. That's a rule around here.
Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (UdKB7)
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I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature. "
Yep. Fully pressurized system means no easy access.
Awl and hammer, graduate to a large Phillips screw driver.
Yep. Fully pressurized system means no easy access.
Awl and hammer, graduate to a large Phillips screw driver.
Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 08:51 PM (xzK3J)
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My wife bought me this 'Mantis' training thing. It's an phone app that synchs via bluetooth to a device you put on a Pick rail. It tracks how you're gripping the gun, your followthrough and, somehow, how on target you are.
It wasn't easy to get set up and configured but it's been interesting. It's not telling me much I don't already know: that I tend to 'heel' the gun to push it down. But it could be a useful tool in fixing that. Interesting stuff.
Fired 200 115gr FMJ through the XD 9. Didn't get great groups, for me. And I put 100 rounds through my bull barrel MK IV Ruger. Which was fine but uninspiring.
I think I am, in part, a victim of 'too many guns' syndrome. I shoot so many pistols that I have to 'relearn' the idiosyncrasies of one particular gun.
On the whole, the Walther PPQ is the most forgiving and the Glock family I seem to shoot consistently well. Which is odd, since those two platforms are on different ends of the ergonomic spectrum. Walthers feel great, Glocks feel blocky but I shoot them equally well.
Sigh.
Time to strap on the G21 until I re-learn my XD again.
It wasn't easy to get set up and configured but it's been interesting. It's not telling me much I don't already know: that I tend to 'heel' the gun to push it down. But it could be a useful tool in fixing that. Interesting stuff.
Fired 200 115gr FMJ through the XD 9. Didn't get great groups, for me. And I put 100 rounds through my bull barrel MK IV Ruger. Which was fine but uninspiring.
I think I am, in part, a victim of 'too many guns' syndrome. I shoot so many pistols that I have to 'relearn' the idiosyncrasies of one particular gun.
On the whole, the Walther PPQ is the most forgiving and the Glock family I seem to shoot consistently well. Which is odd, since those two platforms are on different ends of the ergonomic spectrum. Walthers feel great, Glocks feel blocky but I shoot them equally well.
Sigh.
Time to strap on the G21 until I re-learn my XD again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:51 PM (xJa6I)
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292 An S&W 3" M66 is doggone near perfection.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (DMUuz)
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Yep!!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (DMUuz)
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Yep!!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)
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"Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank"
Can't you just shoot a hole in it?
Can't you just shoot a hole in it?
Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:52 PM (UdKB7)
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Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank and capture the fuel as it pours out of the bottom.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)
Just a heads-up on that! Many cordless drills have brush-type DC motors, and brushes can throw big fat sparks. I have a couple that do that, and you can see the sparks, and smell the ozone, even in a well-lighted room. Such a drill, with gasoline trickling down over, could become a fireball in your hand.
There are cordless drills on the market now, with brushless, electronically-commutated motors, which would be safer for that sort of use.
A hammer, and a long, tapered punch with a sharp point would work well, too, but not so well on a plastic tank.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)
Just a heads-up on that! Many cordless drills have brush-type DC motors, and brushes can throw big fat sparks. I have a couple that do that, and you can see the sparks, and smell the ozone, even in a well-lighted room. Such a drill, with gasoline trickling down over, could become a fireball in your hand.
There are cordless drills on the market now, with brushless, electronically-commutated motors, which would be safer for that sort of use.
A hammer, and a long, tapered punch with a sharp point would work well, too, but not so well on a plastic tank.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:52 PM (WG6O9)
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OldTexan, I love your attitude. That's why I've gotten interested in longer range shooting, which for me means out to 300 yards. New challenges slow aging. (I hope.)
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (bmdz3)
Yup...good advice. Get proficient at a KD and keep working at it. If it's 300 yards, practice sighting at 300 yards in your mind even when your walking around about town or in your AO so you get a feel for that distance in comparison to your range time and in an every day setting.
If you ever need to, you will know at 300 yards and in your good to go.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (bmdz3)
Yup...good advice. Get proficient at a KD and keep working at it. If it's 300 yards, practice sighting at 300 yards in your mind even when your walking around about town or in your AO so you get a feel for that distance in comparison to your range time and in an every day setting.
If you ever need to, you will know at 300 yards and in your good to go.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 08:52 PM (Z+IKu)
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The domesticated antlered rats here in Texas, you
just walk up to them and wack them between the eyes with a ball peen
hammer.
Less noise, don't have to share the skimpy amounts of meat with
those who are too beta to kill a deer but are hungry enough to eat one.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (lD3vL)
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The deer in my part of Michigan are just as docile. If my locality hadn't banned hunting, I'd be taking deer with a snub-nosed .38.
From my living room.
just walk up to them and wack them between the eyes with a ball peen
hammer.
Less noise, don't have to share the skimpy amounts of meat with
those who are too beta to kill a deer but are hungry enough to eat one.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (lD3vL)
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The deer in my part of Michigan are just as docile. If my locality hadn't banned hunting, I'd be taking deer with a snub-nosed .38.
From my living room.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)
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Is it possible to siphon a tank since the 1990s? I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature.
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back when i w*rked repo, i had an electric pump under the hood of my car on the sidewall, with two coils of hose and wires to attach to the battery.
repo a POS with no fuel? transfer from my car.
repo someone with a full tank? transfer TO my car.
AFAIK, you can still get quarter inch gas line down inside, but it's been a long time since i've needed to try.
Is it possible to siphon a tank since the 1990s? I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature.
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back when i w*rked repo, i had an electric pump under the hood of my car on the sidewall, with two coils of hose and wires to attach to the battery.
repo a POS with no fuel? transfer from my car.
repo someone with a full tank? transfer TO my car.
AFAIK, you can still get quarter inch gas line down inside, but it's been a long time since i've needed to try.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:54 PM (KEX6Y)
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The deer in my part of Michigan are just as docile. If my locality hadn't banned hunting, I'd be taking deer with a snub-nosed .38.
From my living room.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)
It's all the CWD that makes them so friendly.
From my living room.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)
It's all the CWD that makes them so friendly.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:54 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:55 PM (KEX6Y)
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From my living room.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)
Suppressor on a .22 rifle with subs. It never happened.
From my living room.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)
Suppressor on a .22 rifle with subs. It never happened.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:55 PM (bgJ0E)
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LOL: sparks are sparks.
i wanna watch you do that, but from a ways away, and upwind.
Prepper Tip #2: Use a brushless drill.
i wanna watch you do that, but from a ways away, and upwind.
Prepper Tip #2: Use a brushless drill.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:56 PM (lD3vL)
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Weasel, Thanks for the heads up about the Black Rifle coffee sale in the food thread. Just ordered some more. I'll be good on coffee for a good while.
And thanks for another fun gun thread. Range reports coming in a couple of weeks.
And thanks for another fun gun thread. Range reports coming in a couple of weeks.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:56 PM (bmdz3)
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On the whole, the Walther PPQ is the most forgiving
and the Glock family I seem to shoot consistently well. Which is odd,
since those two platforms are on different ends of the ergonomic
spectrum. Walthers feel great, Glocks feel blocky but I shoot them
equally well.
Sigh.
Time to strap on the G21 until I re-learn my XD again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:51 PM (xJa6I)
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The PPQ was the belle of the ball among the handguns in our shoot (scroll up).
I am tempted to get the 5" version, just to see how much accuracy I gain.
Oh, and still waiting with bated breath for your book review.
and the Glock family I seem to shoot consistently well. Which is odd,
since those two platforms are on different ends of the ergonomic
spectrum. Walthers feel great, Glocks feel blocky but I shoot them
equally well.
Sigh.
Time to strap on the G21 until I re-learn my XD again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:51 PM (xJa6I)
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The PPQ was the belle of the ball among the handguns in our shoot (scroll up).
I am tempted to get the 5" version, just to see how much accuracy I gain.
Oh, and still waiting with bated breath for your book review.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (ubFZv)
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261 A hypothetical for the more experienced:
I would normally carry a rifle (in a soft case) in my vehicle, if I had one, but it needs to be moved often due to folks getting into the back seat sometimes. If that would happen, I would need to move the rifle from the second seat into the third seat area - I have an SUV.
It's a hassle and further, folks see me move the soft case around and I would prefer they don't.
Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement? The rife and case live in the vehicle. The home has it's own armament and, except for cleaning, the rifle doesn't come into the house.
Thanks
Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (Y4EXg)
Here's my solution for that exact scenario.
I have a take down Ruger 10/22 in a yoga bag. A purple yoga bag with an shoulder strap, nobody would look twice at it in the Seattle area.
I also have a double racket tennis racket bag. Just so happens it's the right size of a side-folder AK 74 and a couple of magazines. Again, looks like sporting equipment, not like a gun storage black tactical thing with MOLLE straps.
I would normally carry a rifle (in a soft case) in my vehicle, if I had one, but it needs to be moved often due to folks getting into the back seat sometimes. If that would happen, I would need to move the rifle from the second seat into the third seat area - I have an SUV.
It's a hassle and further, folks see me move the soft case around and I would prefer they don't.
Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement? The rife and case live in the vehicle. The home has it's own armament and, except for cleaning, the rifle doesn't come into the house.
Thanks
Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (Y4EXg)
Here's my solution for that exact scenario.
I have a take down Ruger 10/22 in a yoga bag. A purple yoga bag with an shoulder strap, nobody would look twice at it in the Seattle area.
I also have a double racket tennis racket bag. Just so happens it's the right size of a side-folder AK 74 and a couple of magazines. Again, looks like sporting equipment, not like a gun storage black tactical thing with MOLLE straps.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (xJa6I)
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But the last round should be a slug, just for good luck.
Posted by: Bob Seger at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (9SkN+)
I bought a load of 12 gauge slugs, but haven't tried them out yet. I've heard that at a reasonably close range you should be able to crack an engine block with one, but I'd like to try it out.
Posted by: Bob Seger at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (9SkN+)
I bought a load of 12 gauge slugs, but haven't tried them out yet. I've heard that at a reasonably close range you should be able to crack an engine block with one, but I'd like to try it out.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (V2Yro)
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Suppressor on a .22 rifle with subs. It never happened.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:55 PM (bgJ0E)
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Crossbow FTW.
Unless the neighbors see me haul away the carcass...
Suppressor on a .22 rifle with subs. It never happened.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:55 PM (bgJ0E)
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Crossbow FTW.
Unless the neighbors see me haul away the carcass...
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (cfSRQ)
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The PPQ was the belle of the ball among the handguns in our shoot (scroll up).
I am tempted to get the 5" version, just to see how much accuracy I gain.
Oh, and still waiting with bated breath for your book review.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (cfSRQ)
Ah, my bad. I'll upload it now.
I would in theory be interested in the all-metal PPQ. Extra weight doesn't really bother me for OWB carry.
I am tempted to get the 5" version, just to see how much accuracy I gain.
Oh, and still waiting with bated breath for your book review.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (cfSRQ)
Ah, my bad. I'll upload it now.
I would in theory be interested in the all-metal PPQ. Extra weight doesn't really bother me for OWB carry.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (xJa6I)
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I have a cool Father's day gun story!
My Dad passed away a little over a year ago. A few months ago, cleaning out his storage space I found his old military school rifle. It is a Remington Targetmaster 510 .22 bolt action single shot and one of the originals. I don't want to claim it was from the first production lots in 1939, but the timing of my Dad's time in school puts it in the very early 40s at a minimum.
I remember seeing the rifle in the attic as a kid, and we did go shooting with it once when I was maybe 8 or 9. The rifle has not been shot in 50 years.
I took it into the gunsmith at the range yesterday and he took it apart, did some cleaning, and checked the bore. Everything was in good condition. He gave it a clean bill of health.
Took it onto the range, put a round in it and sighted the target at 15 meters. The round hit the bulls eye dead center, the aim is perfect on the rifle. Three shots, three bulls eyes.
Here's to you Dad.
My Dad passed away a little over a year ago. A few months ago, cleaning out his storage space I found his old military school rifle. It is a Remington Targetmaster 510 .22 bolt action single shot and one of the originals. I don't want to claim it was from the first production lots in 1939, but the timing of my Dad's time in school puts it in the very early 40s at a minimum.
I remember seeing the rifle in the attic as a kid, and we did go shooting with it once when I was maybe 8 or 9. The rifle has not been shot in 50 years.
I took it into the gunsmith at the range yesterday and he took it apart, did some cleaning, and checked the bore. Everything was in good condition. He gave it a clean bill of health.
Took it onto the range, put a round in it and sighted the target at 15 meters. The round hit the bulls eye dead center, the aim is perfect on the rifle. Three shots, three bulls eyes.
Here's to you Dad.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 16, 2019 08:59 PM (PHotS)
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Went to the range last Tuesday. Fired about 300 22lr down range. Various ranges. All but a few shots were kill shots.
Heart and head.
Weapons used, Henry 001 and a Heritage Arms Rough Rider. Nothing fancy. Just goes to my thought that there is no such thing as a deadly weapon. Just deadly people.
Heart and head.
Weapons used, Henry 001 and a Heritage Arms Rough Rider. Nothing fancy. Just goes to my thought that there is no such thing as a deadly weapon. Just deadly people.
Posted by: Ole, Evill twin of Sven at June 16, 2019 09:00 PM (vqIkG)
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.380 round malfunction question.
I have a SigSauer .380, and have had the same issue with 3 different ammo manufacturers. Sometimes when inserting a magazine and seating it with the palm of my hand, the slug of the top round in the magazine separates from the case spilling gunpowder. Has anyone else had this experience?
I have a SigSauer .380, and have had the same issue with 3 different ammo manufacturers. Sometimes when inserting a magazine and seating it with the palm of my hand, the slug of the top round in the magazine separates from the case spilling gunpowder. Has anyone else had this experience?
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)
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I would in theory be interested in the all-metal PPQ. Extra weight doesn't really bother me for OWB carry.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (xJa6I)
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I was interested until I saw it cost *twice as much* as the one I have.
I did check out the one at the local gun shop. Feels solid. Just too rich for me at the present time.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (xJa6I)
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I was interested until I saw it cost *twice as much* as the one I have.
I did check out the one at the local gun shop. Feels solid. Just too rich for me at the present time.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:03 PM (cfSRQ)
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I mentioned this on the pet thread - I saw a yuuuuge black dear at the farm this weekend. I had the Tanker Garand shown above, an AR-15, a 9mm Sig, a .45 Kimber, and a .357 snubby. He was about 75 yards away, and I wanted something to shoot with in case he wasn't a friendly bear.
I thought about the two rifles, but they were in the truck. I grabbed the .357.
I thought about the two rifles, but they were in the truck. I grabbed the .357.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)
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Took it onto the range, put a round in it and sighted the target at 15 meters. The round hit the bulls eye dead center, the aim is perfect on the rifle. Three shots, three bulls eyes.
Here's to you Dad.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 16, 2019 08:59 PM (PHotS)
Nice!.......old rifles like that are like your own little time machine.
Good job Dave!
Here's to you Dad.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 16, 2019 08:59 PM (PHotS)
Nice!.......old rifles like that are like your own little time machine.
Good job Dave!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 09:04 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:05 PM (MVjcR)
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A.H. Lloyd @ 318-I think there are 2 versions of that PPQ, the competition one (expensive) and the other one, (500-600 maybe). I suspect both will do the job, having held them both last week.
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 09:05 PM (qBNEP)
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Docile deer story - here in East Texas, game wardens are big on catching people who were hunting deer from their cars. (a no no under hunting regs) So they came up with this stuffed deer that they would set up in a field, and then the game wardens would hide in a blind with full view and see who took a shot at it, who they would then bust.
They showed some of the video - damn, this was some of the funniest "Bad Boys" video I've seen. One truck comes along, you can see at least 3 shots come out the truck window. But of course, the deer is stuffed, it doesn't fall down. So the truck stops and one of the guys gets out and shoots at the deer, and then annoyed that the deer won't fall over, walks up till he's about 5 yards away and shoots it again. All this with a team of game wardens watching him and filming him.
I think they had a hard time arresting him since they were laughing so much!
They showed some of the video - damn, this was some of the funniest "Bad Boys" video I've seen. One truck comes along, you can see at least 3 shots come out the truck window. But of course, the deer is stuffed, it doesn't fall down. So the truck stops and one of the guys gets out and shoots at the deer, and then annoyed that the deer won't fall over, walks up till he's about 5 yards away and shoots it again. All this with a team of game wardens watching him and filming him.
I think they had a hard time arresting him since they were laughing so much!
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 09:05 PM (V2Yro)
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Most modern fuel tanks are plastic and pretty puncture proof. A manual twist drill would do the trick, or one of those manual screwdriver / push drill things like the guys on Mission Impossible used to use.
Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 09:05 PM (UdKB7)
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What is the rifle and what are you using it for?
Posted by: NZFrank
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It's a AR platform and it is my 'after I fight my way back to the vehicle with my EDC to retrieve my rifle' rifle.
Thanks Mark - yeah, the soft carry case is unmistakable. At a family picnic awhile back my BIL needed to retrieve some salads and I threw him my keys without a thought. He came back and had all kinds of Qs about the rifle. He got into the bag - He's a good guy but boy, I now know I made a big mistake there.
Posted by: NZFrank
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It's a AR platform and it is my 'after I fight my way back to the vehicle with my EDC to retrieve my rifle' rifle.
Thanks Mark - yeah, the soft carry case is unmistakable. At a family picnic awhile back my BIL needed to retrieve some salads and I threw him my keys without a thought. He came back and had all kinds of Qs about the rifle. He got into the bag - He's a good guy but boy, I now know I made a big mistake there.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 09:06 PM (Y4EXg)
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316 ... Ole, I have both those guns. That Henry 001 is slick. And the Rough Rider is just plain fun. A cheap way to play Roy Rogers.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:06 PM (bmdz3)
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I mentioned this on the pet thread ... I grabbed the .357.
Talking about gunning down some critter in the pet thread.
I love you, man.
Talking about gunning down some critter in the pet thread.
I love you, man.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (lD3vL)
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I thought about the two rifles, but they were in the truck. I grabbed the .357.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)
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Hmmm, I'm not a fan of 1911s, but I think I'd have gone with that over a short-barrel .357. I had one of those and the recoil was ferocious in such a small frame. Not sure I'd be confident of my shot.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)
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Hmmm, I'm not a fan of 1911s, but I think I'd have gone with that over a short-barrel .357. I had one of those and the recoil was ferocious in such a small frame. Not sure I'd be confident of my shot.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (cfSRQ)
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Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)
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Good grief! No, I've never heard of that!
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Good grief! No, I've never heard of that!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (MVjcR)
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328 I mentioned this on the pet thread ... I grabbed the .357.
Talking about gunning down some critter in the pet thread.
I love you, man.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (lD3vL)
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It might have been the garden thread!
Talking about gunning down some critter in the pet thread.
I love you, man.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (lD3vL)
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It might have been the garden thread!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (MVjcR)
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318 I would in theory be interested in the all-metal PPQ. Extra weight doesn't really bother me for OWB carry.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (xJa6I)
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I was interested until I saw it cost *twice as much* as the one I have.
I did check out the one at the local gun shop. Feels solid. Just too rich for me at the present time.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)
Yup. I can't justify adding to my pistol sprawl.
Just like I'm kinda glad I didn't win the auction on that Wilson Combat. It was getting very pricey and I can't justify spending over 2 grand on a pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (xJa6I)
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I was interested until I saw it cost *twice as much* as the one I have.
I did check out the one at the local gun shop. Feels solid. Just too rich for me at the present time.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)
Yup. I can't justify adding to my pistol sprawl.
Just like I'm kinda glad I didn't win the auction on that Wilson Combat. It was getting very pricey and I can't justify spending over 2 grand on a pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (xJa6I)
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So they came up with this stuffed deer that they would set up in a field, and then the game wardens would hide in a blind with full view and see who took a shot at it, who they would then bust.
How is this NOT entrapment?
And a stuffed deer? Sort of like getting busted for child pr0n when the incriminating pr0n is actually a drawing or CGI.
How is this NOT entrapment?
And a stuffed deer? Sort of like getting busted for child pr0n when the incriminating pr0n is actually a drawing or CGI.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (lD3vL)
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"I grabbed the .357."
Bear country?
And you don't go about your business with a 629 in a shoulder sling?
Had to pawn, then let go, mine over 30 years ago.
6" with Pachmayer combat grips.
One of the many stupid things I've done in my life.
Bear country?
And you don't go about your business with a 629 in a shoulder sling?
Had to pawn, then let go, mine over 30 years ago.
6" with Pachmayer combat grips.
One of the many stupid things I've done in my life.
Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (ubFZv)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (fuK7c)
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330. Have never had this happen with any other pistol of any caliber. It is weird enough that I am probably going to get rid of the P238
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (gSgAd)
337
Not sure I'd be confident of my shot.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (cfSRQ)
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It was a BIG bear!
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (cfSRQ)
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It was a BIG bear!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)
338
One of the many stupid things I've done in my life.
Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (ubFZv)
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629 was in the safe at home. I guess I could have run him over with the tractor.
One of the many stupid things I've done in my life.
Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (ubFZv)
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629 was in the safe at home. I guess I could have run him over with the tractor.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:13 PM (MVjcR)
339
going top the range this week, assuming my chiropractor hasn't had something come up in his schedule.
he's bringing his 9mm.
i'll bring some real guns.
he's bringing his 9mm.
i'll bring some real guns.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:14 PM (KEX6Y)
340
How is this NOT entrapment?
Dude. There's a show called North Woods Law where they show a bunch of New Hampshire and Maine Good American game wardens doing game warden stuff.
Putting an animatronic deer in a field to see who will jacklight it at night or shoot from their vehicle reveals people who will jacklight deer and shoot from the road.
That's not entrapment, that's sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Dude. There's a show called North Woods Law where they show a bunch of New Hampshire and Maine Good American game wardens doing game warden stuff.
Putting an animatronic deer in a field to see who will jacklight it at night or shoot from their vehicle reveals people who will jacklight deer and shoot from the road.
That's not entrapment, that's sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (fuK7c)
341
Yup. I can't justify adding to my pistol sprawl.
Just like I'm kinda glad I didn't win the auction on that Wilson
Combat. It was getting very pricey and I can't justify spending over 2
grand on a pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (xJa6I)
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Yeah, I thought the same thing until that Dreyse jumped into my car after handing the gun shop my credit card.
My Mauser Broomhandle is creeping towards the $2,000 mark after a measly $200 investment.
Just like I'm kinda glad I didn't win the auction on that Wilson
Combat. It was getting very pricey and I can't justify spending over 2
grand on a pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (xJa6I)
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Yeah, I thought the same thing until that Dreyse jumped into my car after handing the gun shop my credit card.
My Mauser Broomhandle is creeping towards the $2,000 mark after a measly $200 investment.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)
342
Does anyone have experience with the short shotgun rounds
(12gauge mini)? It is an interesting idea to about double the amount of rounds.
(12gauge mini)? It is an interesting idea to about double the amount of rounds.
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (gSgAd)
343
Thanks everyone. It was a great feeling knowing I was shooting the same gun he won the school championship with about 75 years ago. Although this old rifle is so accurate it feels like he was cheating.
The stock is walnut, and the gunsmith oiled it up making it shine. It has nicks from all the years, but those give it character. It is going to be a regular feature in my rotation from now on.
The stock is walnut, and the gunsmith oiled it up making it shine. It has nicks from all the years, but those give it character. It is going to be a regular feature in my rotation from now on.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 16, 2019 09:16 PM (PHotS)
344
Just too rich for me at the present time.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)
The PPQ is such a wonderful pistol that I am tempted to get the steel version. But damn...that is a lot of money.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)
The PPQ is such a wonderful pistol that I am tempted to get the steel version. But damn...that is a lot of money.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:16 PM (wYseH)
345
317 .380 round malfunction question.
I have a SigSauer .380, and have had the same issue with 3 different ammo manufacturers. Sometimes when inserting a magazine and seating it with the palm of my hand, the slug of the top round in the magazine separates from the case spilling gunpowder. Has anyone else had this experience?
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)
Whoa, no.
I have a Kahr 380 and a new Glock 42. Ammo has been Privi Partisan and Augila. No ammo separation problems.
Are you at a range where you can rent another .380 and see if the ammo is the problem (seems unlikely if you have 3 brands doing it)
I have a SigSauer .380, and have had the same issue with 3 different ammo manufacturers. Sometimes when inserting a magazine and seating it with the palm of my hand, the slug of the top round in the magazine separates from the case spilling gunpowder. Has anyone else had this experience?
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)
Whoa, no.
I have a Kahr 380 and a new Glock 42. Ammo has been Privi Partisan and Augila. No ammo separation problems.
Are you at a range where you can rent another .380 and see if the ammo is the problem (seems unlikely if you have 3 brands doing it)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:17 PM (xJa6I)
346
It was a BIG bear!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)
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Kimber has longer reach than a snubby, is all I'm saying.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)
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Kimber has longer reach than a snubby, is all I'm saying.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:18 PM (cfSRQ)
347
And a stuffed deer? Sort of like getting busted for child pr0n when the incriminating pr0n is actually a drawing or CGI. "
You're probably right - but the game wardens got a lot of latitude, especially when you're way out in the wood and it's just you and them.
There's a reality show on cable late night, I've caught it a couple times about Texas game wardens, and how dangerous the job is. One of the biggest eye openers was a segment where they were following a team on Amistad reservoir near Del Rio, southern shore of that lake is in Mexico. A game warden team on that lake ALWAYS has to have one member standing guard with an M-16, since they never know when some of the Cartel dudes will pop their heads up and start taking potshots at them for fun. And when that does happen, all they can do is lay down suppressing fire and get the hell out of there as fast as they can.
The border is one fucked up place.
And a stuffed deer? Sort of like getting busted for child pr0n when the incriminating pr0n is actually a drawing or CGI. "
You're probably right - but the game wardens got a lot of latitude, especially when you're way out in the wood and it's just you and them.
There's a reality show on cable late night, I've caught it a couple times about Texas game wardens, and how dangerous the job is. One of the biggest eye openers was a segment where they were following a team on Amistad reservoir near Del Rio, southern shore of that lake is in Mexico. A game warden team on that lake ALWAYS has to have one member standing guard with an M-16, since they never know when some of the Cartel dudes will pop their heads up and start taking potshots at them for fun. And when that does happen, all they can do is lay down suppressing fire and get the hell out of there as fast as they can.
The border is one fucked up place.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 09:18 PM (V2Yro)
348
341 Yup. I can't justify adding to my pistol sprawl.
Just like I'm kinda glad I didn't win the auction on that Wilson
Combat. It was getting very pricey and I can't justify spending over 2
grand on a pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (xJa6I)
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Yeah, I thought the same thing until that Dreyse jumped into my car after handing the gun shop my credit card.
My Mauser Broomhandle is creeping towards the $2,000 mark after a measly $200 investment.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)
No regrets then
Oh and review went up on Amazon. Sorry for the delay. I tried to keep it non-spoilery and not short story length
Just like I'm kinda glad I didn't win the auction on that Wilson
Combat. It was getting very pricey and I can't justify spending over 2
grand on a pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (xJa6I)
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Yeah, I thought the same thing until that Dreyse jumped into my car after handing the gun shop my credit card.
My Mauser Broomhandle is creeping towards the $2,000 mark after a measly $200 investment.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)
No regrets then
Oh and review went up on Amazon. Sorry for the delay. I tried to keep it non-spoilery and not short story length
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (xJa6I)
349
It is weird enough that I am probably going to get rid of the P238
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (gSgAd)
Have you considered having a friendly chat with the good folks at the factory?
I'll bet they would help.
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (gSgAd)
Have you considered having a friendly chat with the good folks at the factory?
I'll bet they would help.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (wYseH)
350
The border is one fucked up place.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 09:18 PM (V2Yro)
As a wise man said, it is the land of wolves now
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 09:18 PM (V2Yro)
As a wise man said, it is the land of wolves now
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:20 PM (xJa6I)
351
345. Yeah, I originally thought it was the ammo, but 3 different brands, still happens. I am going to the range this week with an armorer/gunsmith to check if I am doing something stupid.
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:20 PM (gSgAd)
352
A final-ish thought. As part of the Matis training app, it calibrates based on your dry fire and on how you shoot weak-handed.
Left hand only...I suck. Shots pulling way right. All on the chest at 7 years. I suck but only so much.
But that was sad and humbling. I need to work out and practice my weak hand skills more.
Left hand only...I suck. Shots pulling way right. All on the chest at 7 years. I suck but only so much.
But that was sad and humbling. I need to work out and practice my weak hand skills more.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:21 PM (xJa6I)
353
Have you considered having a friendly chat with the good folks at the factory?
I'll bet they would help.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (wYseH)
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Yeah - I'd at least give them a call. My experience with Sig has always been good.
Have you considered having a friendly chat with the good folks at the factory?
I'll bet they would help.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (wYseH)
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Yeah - I'd at least give them a call. My experience with Sig has always been good.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:21 PM (MVjcR)
354
317
.380 round malfunction question.
I have a SigSauer .380, and have had the same issue with 3 different
ammo manufacturers. Sometimes when inserting a magazine and seating it
with the palm of my hand, the slug of the top round in the magazine
separates from the case spilling gunpowder. Has anyone else had this
experience?
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)
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Whoa, sorry I missed this.
No, never. I'm shooting the hell out of my PK380 and nothing like this has happened.
When you say "separating" do you mean the bullet is being knocked down? Could it be a magazine defect? Maybe you aren't seating the top round properly in the magazine? (Think of the 'Nam cliche where the guys tap their mags on their helmets before loading.)
.380 round malfunction question.
I have a SigSauer .380, and have had the same issue with 3 different
ammo manufacturers. Sometimes when inserting a magazine and seating it
with the palm of my hand, the slug of the top round in the magazine
separates from the case spilling gunpowder. Has anyone else had this
experience?
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)
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Whoa, sorry I missed this.
No, never. I'm shooting the hell out of my PK380 and nothing like this has happened.
When you say "separating" do you mean the bullet is being knocked down? Could it be a magazine defect? Maybe you aren't seating the top round properly in the magazine? (Think of the 'Nam cliche where the guys tap their mags on their helmets before loading.)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)
355
353. Good idea
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (gSgAd)
356
It was a BIG bear!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5tex3yl
With proper shot placement, of course.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5tex3yl
With proper shot placement, of course.
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (K1IUD)
357
Putting an animatronic deer in a field to see who will jacklight it at night or shoot from their vehicle reveals people who will jacklight deer and shoot from the road.
That's not entrapment, that's sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (fuK7c)
I wonder what the wardens would do if you got out, walked up to the stuffed deer, and painted "cow" on its side with a spray can?
Putting an animatronic deer in a field to see who will jacklight it at night or shoot from their vehicle reveals people who will jacklight deer and shoot from the road.
That's not entrapment, that's sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (fuK7c)
I wonder what the wardens would do if you got out, walked up to the stuffed deer, and painted "cow" on its side with a spray can?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 09:23 PM (WG6O9)
358
354. The slug separates from the case entirely. I have 5 magazines and will compare them.
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:24 PM (gSgAd)
359
I wonder what the wardens would do if you got out, walked up to the stuffed deer, and painted "cow" on its side with a spray can?
The answer is probably not fall over laughing and shake their hand, but it should be.
The answer is probably not fall over laughing and shake their hand, but it should be.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:24 PM (fuK7c)
360
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (K1IUD)
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My (sort of) plan was to put one in the dirt if yelling like a girl didn't scare him away, then start shooting for real.
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My (sort of) plan was to put one in the dirt if yelling like a girl didn't scare him away, then start shooting for real.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:24 PM (MVjcR)
361
My (sort of) plan was to put one in the dirt if yelling like a girl didn't scare him away, then start shooting for real.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:24 PM (MVjcR)
Just don't make a noise like a pic-a-nic basket.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:24 PM (MVjcR)
Just don't make a noise like a pic-a-nic basket.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 09:26 PM (WG6O9)
362
That's not entrapment, that's sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (fuK7c)
My dad told me a story about a job interview he went on...someplace snooty. Yale, or Princeton...something like that.
After five minutes he had already decided that he wouldn't take the offer if they made it, so he had a bit of fun. One of the interviewers was some straight-off-the-Mayflower WASP who hunted pheasant. He asked my father what kind of hunting he enjoyed. And my father's response?
"I love to jacklight deer!"
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (fuK7c)
My dad told me a story about a job interview he went on...someplace snooty. Yale, or Princeton...something like that.
After five minutes he had already decided that he wouldn't take the offer if they made it, so he had a bit of fun. One of the interviewers was some straight-off-the-Mayflower WASP who hunted pheasant. He asked my father what kind of hunting he enjoyed. And my father's response?
"I love to jacklight deer!"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:26 PM (wYseH)
363
I only have a Huskvarna 450. Is that too small a caliber?
Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 16, 2019 09:27 PM (w7U7L)
364
People, please, don't be shooting my sex robot.
Posted by: Bambi at June 16, 2019 09:29 PM (geIq4)
365
"I love to jacklight deer!"
Well that there is hilarious.
Also pheasant are an imported Chinese bird who do the getting shot that American grouse won't do.
Well that there is hilarious.
Also pheasant are an imported Chinese bird who do the getting shot that American grouse won't do.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (fuK7c)
366
What's everyone's favorite .22 rimfire brand? I have an Imperial shit-ton of Winchester Wildcat that I bought cheap 15 or 20 years ago when a local store went out of business. I'm finally getting toward the end of that and need to start buying again.
The Winchester isn't particularly accurate and I'm looking for something better. Last week I bought some CCI Green Tag and found that group sizes are roughly half what I get with the Winchester.
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
The Winchester isn't particularly accurate and I'm looking for something better. Last week I bought some CCI Green Tag and found that group sizes are roughly half what I get with the Winchester.
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
367
Oh and review went up on Amazon. Sorry for the delay. I tried to keep it non-spoilery and not short story length
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (xJa6I)
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Three stars? Ouch.I guess you didn't buy into the whole "sated with power for two decades and understandably grows complacent" concept, eh? I thought it was rather clever for him to take Peer for granted, place Peer's former lover and son in key positions and have it bite him in the ass.
But to each his own.
Thanks anyway!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (xJa6I)
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Three stars? Ouch.I guess you didn't buy into the whole "sated with power for two decades and understandably grows complacent" concept, eh? I thought it was rather clever for him to take Peer for granted, place Peer's former lover and son in key positions and have it bite him in the ass.
But to each his own.
Thanks anyway!
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (cfSRQ)
368
I also ran over my favorite straw hat with the rotary cutter behind the tractor this weekend. The hat did not survive.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
369
(Think of the 'Nam cliche where the guys tap their mags on their helmets before loading.)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)
Now I'm picturing this:
https://stoatnet.org/howuloadmag.jpg
(no offense to EdmundBurkesShade)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)
Now I'm picturing this:
https://stoatnet.org/howuloadmag.jpg
(no offense to EdmundBurkesShade)
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:32 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 09:32 PM (2DOZq)
371
370
Compound bows are cheating.
That is all.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 09:32 PM (2DOZq)
---Can't be. Dukes of Hazzard used 'em.
Compound bows are cheating.
That is all.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 09:32 PM (2DOZq)
---Can't be. Dukes of Hazzard used 'em.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:33 PM (cfSRQ)
372
Iowa Bob, I have best luck with CCI standard.
I did a range test with about a dozen different brands and it was good enough to stand out.
I did a range test with about a dozen different brands and it was good enough to stand out.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (2+QJR)
373
What's everyone's favorite .22 rimfire brand?
(...)
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
I have had really good results with CCI MiniMags (the ones in the plastic box with the sliding top) and nothing but disappointment from Remington Thunderbolt.
(...)
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
I have had really good results with CCI MiniMags (the ones in the plastic box with the sliding top) and nothing but disappointment from Remington Thunderbolt.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (t+qrx)
374
369. Ummm - isn't that how everyone does it? That is hilarious.
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:35 PM (gSgAd)
375
>> People, please, don't be shooting my sex robot.
Posted by: Bambi
Hey Bambi, if I catch you out eating my Blue Lake beans, Ima shoot you. Tell all your buddies the same goes for them.
Posted by: Bambi
Hey Bambi, if I catch you out eating my Blue Lake beans, Ima shoot you. Tell all your buddies the same goes for them.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 09:35 PM (f1Vqw)
376
Can anyone positively identify this AA gun, presumably Navy. http://tinyurl.com/y4ng5zfo
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)
377
I should be shooting more .22. That pallet I bought during The Lean Times is just sitting there. Looking at me.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (2+QJR)
378
Welp, it looks like things are winding down a little. I'll hang around until the ONT goes up, but thank you all for stopping by this week. It's always a pleasure!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (MVjcR)
379
377
I should be shooting more .22. That pallet I bought during The Lean Times is just sitting there. Looking at me.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (2+QJR)
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WELL?! I'm waiting...
I should be shooting more .22. That pallet I bought during The Lean Times is just sitting there. Looking at me.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (2+QJR)
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WELL?! I'm waiting...
Posted by: .22 Pallet you bought during The Lean Times at June 16, 2019 09:38 PM (cfSRQ)
380
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
Just shot 100 rounds of each through my picky Colt .22. No jams, and it was pretty accurate.
Winchester High Velocity Super X 40 grain
CCI Standard Velocity 40 grain Target
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
Just shot 100 rounds of each through my picky Colt .22. No jams, and it was pretty accurate.
Winchester High Velocity Super X 40 grain
CCI Standard Velocity 40 grain Target
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (wYseH)
381
Pleasure is ours, Weasel. Another Bigly Thread.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (2+QJR)
382
Last two weeks were big ones at the range. Took my 10 year old daughter out last weekend for her to shoot her Savage Rascal. I brought my new to me police turn in Glock 17, Belgian police turn in Browning Hi Power MK3, first purchased handgun, a Taurus 92c (Compact) short run in the early 90s, my sons new Ruger 10/22 and my AR15 A1 build.
I was troubleshooting the Ruger and Taurus. I had some feeding issues with the Ruger the first time out and wanted to see if it was a break in issue. Basically every 3rd or so round would catch on the lower rim of the chamber and jam, scraping off part of the bullet. Problem was still there.
The Taurus ran well but ejection was weak and back at my head. Changing out the recoil and ejector spring and maybe the ejector to see if that solves it.
The AR ran very rough. Turns out the gas Key was loose. Got what I need to take care of that.
Took my son to an indoor range with his grandfather yesterday. Tried the Ruger again with new mags, same issue. Ruger gets a call tomorrow. Apparently they were having some issues in 2016 with their receivers.
Brought the new to me 1944 S&W Victory (Navy aviator sidearm) model. It shot very well, though the small grip takes some getting used to.
Shot the hi power again to make sure the sights are on. I'll be replacing the spur hammer with a commander type (hoping the sear mates up well) and refinishing and want to make sure I don't need to drift the sight before the refinish.
So a lot of shooting with a lot of family but a fair amount of work and aggravation as well.
I was troubleshooting the Ruger and Taurus. I had some feeding issues with the Ruger the first time out and wanted to see if it was a break in issue. Basically every 3rd or so round would catch on the lower rim of the chamber and jam, scraping off part of the bullet. Problem was still there.
The Taurus ran well but ejection was weak and back at my head. Changing out the recoil and ejector spring and maybe the ejector to see if that solves it.
The AR ran very rough. Turns out the gas Key was loose. Got what I need to take care of that.
Took my son to an indoor range with his grandfather yesterday. Tried the Ruger again with new mags, same issue. Ruger gets a call tomorrow. Apparently they were having some issues in 2016 with their receivers.
Brought the new to me 1944 S&W Victory (Navy aviator sidearm) model. It shot very well, though the small grip takes some getting used to.
Shot the hi power again to make sure the sights are on. I'll be replacing the spur hammer with a commander type (hoping the sear mates up well) and refinishing and want to make sure I don't need to drift the sight before the refinish.
So a lot of shooting with a lot of family but a fair amount of work and aggravation as well.
Posted by: Keith at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (jdGlx)
383
(Think of the 'Nam cliche where the guys tap their mags on their helmets before loading.)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)
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not a cliche at all... you whack the mag to make sure the rounds are all the way back in the magazine, so they feed in right, instead of jamming.
this was taught at the harmony church school for excitable boys, back in the day.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)
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not a cliche at all... you whack the mag to make sure the rounds are all the way back in the magazine, so they feed in right, instead of jamming.
this was taught at the harmony church school for excitable boys, back in the day.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (KEX6Y)
Posted by: ibguy at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (EHVbt)
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Those looking for something with some length and discretion might want to check out the Blackhawk Diversion Carry Workout Bag.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (DMUuz)
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Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
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Iowa Bob - I like the Federal Gold Medal Match (pricey) and plain 'ol CCI standard .22 LR.
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Iowa Bob - I like the Federal Gold Medal Match (pricey) and plain 'ol CCI standard .22 LR.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)
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381 Pleasure is ours, Weasel. Another Bigly Thread.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (2+QJR)
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Thanks pal!
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (2+QJR)
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Thanks pal!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:41 PM (MVjcR)
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not a cliche at all... you whack the mag to make
sure the rounds are all the way back in the magazine, so they feed in
right, instead of jamming.
this was taught at the harmony church school for excitable boys, back in the day.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (KEX6Y)
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No, I know. I remember it being taught in basic and we were all grinning like idiots, smacking the mags on our kevlars feeling like real soldiers at last.
sure the rounds are all the way back in the magazine, so they feed in
right, instead of jamming.
this was taught at the harmony church school for excitable boys, back in the day.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (KEX6Y)
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No, I know. I remember it being taught in basic and we were all grinning like idiots, smacking the mags on our kevlars feeling like real soldiers at last.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:41 PM (cfSRQ)
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I should be shooting more .22. That pallet I bought during The Lean Times is just sitting there. Looking at me.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (2+QJR)
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WELL?! I'm waiting...
Posted by: .22 Pallet you bought during The Lean Times at June 16, 2019 09:38 PM (cfSRQ)
Yes, dear.
I should be shooting more .22. That pallet I bought during The Lean Times is just sitting there. Looking at me.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (2+QJR)
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WELL?! I'm waiting...
Posted by: .22 Pallet you bought during The Lean Times at June 16, 2019 09:38 PM (cfSRQ)
Yes, dear.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:41 PM (2+QJR)
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Happy Fathers Day to all the dads, step dads, grand dads, uncles etc!
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (dUJdY)
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Can anyone positively identify this AA gun, presumably Navy. http://tinyurl.com/y4ng5zfo
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)
I'm no Anna Puma, but start with Bofors 40mm single mount. Looks like it may be missing a flash hider.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)
I'm no Anna Puma, but start with Bofors 40mm single mount. Looks like it may be missing a flash hider.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (t+qrx)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)
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where is Anna Puma when you need her?
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where is Anna Puma when you need her?
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (KEX6Y)
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Posted by: ibguy at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (EHVbt)
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Absolutely, ibguy. Thanks for stopping by!
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Absolutely, ibguy. Thanks for stopping by!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (MVjcR)
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372 Iowa Bob, I have best luck with CCI standard.
I did a range test with about a dozen different brands and it was good enough to stand out.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (2+QJR)
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I have had really good results with CCI MiniMags (the ones in the plastic box with the sliding top) and nothing but disappointment from Remington Thunderbolt.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (t+qrx)
Thanks, I'll check those out. I've heard bad things about Remington Thunderbolt from other sources. It's often the cheapest stuff I see.
I did a range test with about a dozen different brands and it was good enough to stand out.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (2+QJR)
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I have had really good results with CCI MiniMags (the ones in the plastic box with the sliding top) and nothing but disappointment from Remington Thunderbolt.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (t+qrx)
Thanks, I'll check those out. I've heard bad things about Remington Thunderbolt from other sources. It's often the cheapest stuff I see.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (bjCNA)
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Mike Hammer @ 376- Why that's a Glock AK/AR 396 magnum with the thing that goes up and shoots 998 times with one triggerjerk. Everybody knows that.
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 09:43 PM (qBNEP)
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Thanks, Weasel, another fun thread.
I still mean to get you the Webley range report, it's just taking a while. But you will get it!
Just like one day I WILL get to the MiMoMe.
I still mean to get you the Webley range report, it's just taking a while. But you will get it!
Just like one day I WILL get to the MiMoMe.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)
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Iowa Bob - I like the Federal Gold Medal Match (pricey) and plain 'ol CCI standard .22 LR.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)
Thanks!
Iowa Bob - I like the Federal Gold Medal Match (pricey) and plain 'ol CCI standard .22 LR.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)
Thanks!
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:44 PM (bjCNA)
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Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
I have never heard of anyone who was unhappy with CCI mini-mags. I shoot the 40 grain version.
I have never heard of anyone who was unhappy with CCI mini-mags. I shoot the 40 grain version.
Posted by: An Observation at June 16, 2019 09:44 PM (mBISV)
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The Winchester isn't particularly accurate and I'm looking for something better. Last week I bought some CCI Green Tag and found that group sizes are roughly half what I get with the Winchester.
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
Followup Q: Are 40 gr rounds inherently more accurate than 36 gr rounds?
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
Followup Q: Are 40 gr rounds inherently more accurate than 36 gr rounds?
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (K1IUD)
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I'm no Anna Puma, but start with Bofors 40mm single mount. Looks like it may be missing a flash hider.
Nope, it's a post war 3"/50cal that replaced the Bofors
Nope, it's a post war 3"/50cal that replaced the Bofors
Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (MBGf7)
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ICBW, but i don't think it's a Bofors, from a quick Bing image search.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (KEX6Y)
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Just shot 100 rounds of each through my picky Colt .22. No jams, and it was pretty accurate.
Winchester High Velocity Super X 40 grain
CCI Standard Velocity 40 grain Target
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (wYseH)
Thanks!
Just shot 100 rounds of each through my picky Colt .22. No jams, and it was pretty accurate.
Winchester High Velocity Super X 40 grain
CCI Standard Velocity 40 grain Target
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (wYseH)
Thanks!
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:46 PM (bjCNA)
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396 Thanks, Weasel, another fun thread.
I still mean to get you the Webley range report, it's just taking a while. But you will get it!
Just like one day I WILL get to the MiMoMe.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)
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OK! And Ben Had puts on a fine show in Texas in October if you can make it!
I still mean to get you the Webley range report, it's just taking a while. But you will get it!
Just like one day I WILL get to the MiMoMe.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)
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OK! And Ben Had puts on a fine show in Texas in October if you can make it!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)
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Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (MBGf7)
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Howdy, Panhandler! Haven't seen you in a spell! All good?
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Howdy, Panhandler! Haven't seen you in a spell! All good?
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:47 PM (MVjcR)
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366 What's everyone's favorite .22 rimfire brand? I have an Imperial shit-ton of Winchester Wildcat that I bought cheap 15 or 20 years ago when a local store went out of business. I'm finally getting toward the end of that and need to start buying again.
The Winchester isn't particularly accurate and I'm looking for something better. Last week I bought some CCI Green Tag and found that group sizes are roughly half what I get with the Winchester.
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
I buy CCI Minimags in bulk. 5k rounds costs about as much as 1k 45 acp. So they aren't cheap but they run the most reliably.
I haven't had trouble with the Thunderbolt tub o' bullets but might be luck. Rimfire primer compound is rarely applied perfectly.
Hornady and CCI seem to be the best for quality control.
The Winchester isn't particularly accurate and I'm looking for something better. Last week I bought some CCI Green Tag and found that group sizes are roughly half what I get with the Winchester.
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
I buy CCI Minimags in bulk. 5k rounds costs about as much as 1k 45 acp. So they aren't cheap but they run the most reliably.
I haven't had trouble with the Thunderbolt tub o' bullets but might be luck. Rimfire primer compound is rarely applied perfectly.
Hornady and CCI seem to be the best for quality control.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:48 PM (xJa6I)
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Are there any plans to launch an ONT?
Just asking.
(Yes, I called dad - of course I called dad. Weather knocked out my cell service during the call, but I called dad.)
Just asking.
(Yes, I called dad - of course I called dad. Weather knocked out my cell service during the call, but I called dad.)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 09:48 PM (GYAiq)
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EdmundBurkesShade @ 342 - I run them in a Mossberg 590 Shockwave. You need to insert an OpSol miniclip (~$15) to use them. No problems.
A lead slug the size of the tip of your finger traveling at ~1100 fps will ruin a goblin's day.
A lead slug the size of the tip of your finger traveling at ~1100 fps will ruin a goblin's day.
Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:49 PM (hXu8T)
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Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)
I hope 3 stars isn't an 'ouch'. There's a lot of review inflation out there.
And I guess I would have like to have seen more mistakes and loss of faculties in the book to buy in on that ending. I was just mystified by the relative absence of the character who'd been driving the plot for so long.
On reflection, I think I DO like the Adam Flyte character arc. I think he's one of the best characters in the series.
I hope 3 stars isn't an 'ouch'. There's a lot of review inflation out there.
And I guess I would have like to have seen more mistakes and loss of faculties in the book to buy in on that ending. I was just mystified by the relative absence of the character who'd been driving the plot for so long.
On reflection, I think I DO like the Adam Flyte character arc. I think he's one of the best characters in the series.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:49 PM (xJa6I)
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My dad made fun of me for years for owning modern arms, despite having owned the occasional hunting arm over the years.
After the last few years... he doesn't pick on me about it anymore.
Aside from the usual stuff about teaching them to be decent, productive human beings... one of the most important things you can do for your kids is secure for them access to arms, teach them how to use them, and teach them *why* you're doing it, and how and when to both keep their mouth shut.
And - while this may be an unpopular opinion - you need to teach them about when it may be appropriate to simply GTFO to somewhere else. Not much point in having your family tree end because they all got killed by some tinpot dictator or Che wannabe.
After the last few years... he doesn't pick on me about it anymore.
Aside from the usual stuff about teaching them to be decent, productive human beings... one of the most important things you can do for your kids is secure for them access to arms, teach them how to use them, and teach them *why* you're doing it, and how and when to both keep their mouth shut.
And - while this may be an unpopular opinion - you need to teach them about when it may be appropriate to simply GTFO to somewhere else. Not much point in having your family tree end because they all got killed by some tinpot dictator or Che wannabe.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 16, 2019 09:50 PM (67XdO)
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Nope, it's a post war 3"/50cal that replaced the Bofors
Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (MBGf7)
3" AA with an optical director?
See, this is why nobody ever asks me to shoot down flying things.
Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (MBGf7)
3" AA with an optical director?
See, this is why nobody ever asks me to shoot down flying things.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:50 PM (t+qrx)
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253 So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)
Bag of Doritos and a couple of Twinkies.
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)
Bag of Doritos and a couple of Twinkies.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:51 PM (bjCNA)
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Howdy, Panhandler! Haven't seen you in a spell! All good?
Nah, smashed my right ankle on Easter Sunday and have been in a non-weight bearing cast ever since, and for another 6 weeks. Wheelchair bound and just got a very nice BM59 which I hope to be able to walk with and sight in before it goes to Texas in Oct. Too bad about your hat.
Nah, smashed my right ankle on Easter Sunday and have been in a non-weight bearing cast ever since, and for another 6 weeks. Wheelchair bound and just got a very nice BM59 which I hope to be able to walk with and sight in before it goes to Texas in Oct. Too bad about your hat.
Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:51 PM (MBGf7)
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Hey, Weasel, future gun thread idea: Old Guns Handed Down or Found in the Attic.
I've got a percussion cap fowling piece made in Worcester, MA about 1850. It belonged to my grandfather's father or grandfather. More info on line than I thought was available
I've got it hanging over the reloading bench now; I'll shoot you a picture. Heh.
I've got a percussion cap fowling piece made in Worcester, MA about 1850. It belonged to my grandfather's father or grandfather. More info on line than I thought was available
I've got it hanging over the reloading bench now; I'll shoot you a picture. Heh.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:52 PM (2+QJR)
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Too bad about your hat.
Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:51 PM (MBGf7)
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Yes, the loss of the hat was tragic, but I'm trying to be brave.
Damn man, take care of yourself!
Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:51 PM (MBGf7)
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Yes, the loss of the hat was tragic, but I'm trying to be brave.
Damn man, take care of yourself!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:53 PM (MVjcR)
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I hope 3 stars isn't an 'ouch'. There's a lot of review inflation out there.
And I guess I would have like to have seen more mistakes and loss of
faculties in the book to buy in on that ending. I was just mystified by
the relative absence of the character who'd been driving the plot for
so long.
On reflection, I think I DO like the Adam Flyte character arc. I think he's one of the best characters in the series.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:49 PM (xJa6I)
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You rated it the worst book in the series. You gave every other book 4 stars. That stings a little.
And I guess I would have like to have seen more mistakes and loss of
faculties in the book to buy in on that ending. I was just mystified by
the relative absence of the character who'd been driving the plot for
so long.
On reflection, I think I DO like the Adam Flyte character arc. I think he's one of the best characters in the series.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:49 PM (xJa6I)
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You rated it the worst book in the series. You gave every other book 4 stars. That stings a little.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:53 PM (cfSRQ)
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And - while this may be an unpopular opinion - you need to teach them about when it may be appropriate to simply GTFO to somewhere else. Not much point in having your family tree end because they all got killed by some tinpot dictator or Che wannabe.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 16, 2019 09:50 PM (67XdO)
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"Advancing to the Rear" is sometimes the best course of action to live to fight another day.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 16, 2019 09:50 PM (67XdO)
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"Advancing to the Rear" is sometimes the best course of action to live to fight another day.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:54 PM (MVjcR)
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Rain continues apace here in ETEX. Well sportsfans, taps here at Camp Eromero.
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (qBNEP)
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I advance with my rear.
I advance with my rear.
Posted by: Shep at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (f1Vqw)
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BTW, that covert furniture - in which you cab hide firearms and other goodies - actually works. Somebody kicked in my front door last week despite the ADT signs. Quick smash and grab. They rifled through a dresser and nightstand and did not find goodies therein.
They did make off with three handguns I had in the kitchen.
They did not trash the place, so I think Imade out okay.
They did make off with three handguns I had in the kitchen.
They did not trash the place, so I think Imade out okay.
Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (hXu8T)
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I got a muzzleloader this week to prep for deer season here in Iowa. I had a CVA wolf, and it was a great little gun, so I went a little nicer and bought the CVA Accura Prarie rifle. It's a lot heavier than the little Wolf, but so far, so good. Can't wait for the fall!
Posted by: Grimaldi at June 16, 2019 10:00 PM (fz/cD)
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Hey, Weasel, future gun thread idea: Old Guns Handed Down or Found in the Attic.
I've got a percussion cap fowling piece made in Worcester, MA about 1850. It belonged to my grandfather's father or grandfather. More info on line than I thought was available
I've got it hanging over the reloading bench now; I'll shoot you a picture. Heh.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:52 PM (2+QJR)
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Thanks! I sort of tried that in the beginning with the "This Old Gun" feature but it didn't attract much interest. I was expecting to be overrun with all sorts of neat stuff, but only received a few pics and stories. I think some people just don't like advertising what they have, even with a guarantee of anonymity.
Send me what you have!
Hey, Weasel, future gun thread idea: Old Guns Handed Down or Found in the Attic.
I've got a percussion cap fowling piece made in Worcester, MA about 1850. It belonged to my grandfather's father or grandfather. More info on line than I thought was available
I've got it hanging over the reloading bench now; I'll shoot you a picture. Heh.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:52 PM (2+QJR)
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Thanks! I sort of tried that in the beginning with the "This Old Gun" feature but it didn't attract much interest. I was expecting to be overrun with all sorts of neat stuff, but only received a few pics and stories. I think some people just don't like advertising what they have, even with a guarantee of anonymity.
Send me what you have!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:00 PM (MVjcR)
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366 What's everyone's favorite .22 rimfire brand? I have an Imperial shit-ton of Winchester Wildcat that I bought cheap 15 or 20 years ago when a local store went out of business. I'm finally getting toward the end of that and need to start buying again.
Lapua for bench rest might be a place to start, as for me shooting Steel Challenge my Buckmark works very well with Remington Thunderbolt and my S&W AR15-22 eats up the bulk Remington stuff I have too much of.
Lapua for bench rest might be a place to start, as for me shooting Steel Challenge my Buckmark works very well with Remington Thunderbolt and my S&W AR15-22 eats up the bulk Remington stuff I have too much of.
Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 10:00 PM (8/hDC)
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Somebody kicked in my front door last week despite the ADT signs. Quick smash and grab.
Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (hXu8T)
Where do you live?
Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (hXu8T)
Where do you live?
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (t+qrx)
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Rain continues apace here in ETEX. Well sportsfans, taps here at Camp Eromero.
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (qBNEP)
Night, Eromero.
Rain in Michigan. Would like a weekend without rain. I have a kayak that I am not using because kayaking in the rain is a lot of fun when you are 25, not when you are almost lapping 29 twice.
Rain continues apace here in ETEX. Well sportsfans, taps here at Camp Eromero.
Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (qBNEP)
Night, Eromero.
Rain in Michigan. Would like a weekend without rain. I have a kayak that I am not using because kayaking in the rain is a lot of fun when you are 25, not when you are almost lapping 29 twice.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (GYAiq)
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Question: I wear glasses for up close, so I need it to see the front sight, but then I need to look over the glasses to see the target. Is there a way to deal with this that I don't know about? Because it takes like a second or two to switch my focus from up close to far away it doesn't seem to work for me.
Posted by: next in line at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (moBhW)
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Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (hXu8T)
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Damn man. That still sucks. Sorry to hear it.
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Damn man. That still sucks. Sorry to hear it.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)
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391 Can anyone positively identify this AA gun, presumably Navy. http://tinyurl.com/y4ng5zfo
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)
I'm no Anna Puma, but start with Bofors 40mm single mount. Looks like it may be missing a flash hider.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (t+qrx)
That's where I started, but it looks to me like a 3"/50 on a Mark 24 mount.
Bofors 40mm does not have an exposed recoil spring.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)
I'm no Anna Puma, but start with Bofors 40mm single mount. Looks like it may be missing a flash hider.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (t+qrx)
That's where I started, but it looks to me like a 3"/50 on a Mark 24 mount.
Bofors 40mm does not have an exposed recoil spring.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 16, 2019 10:02 PM (di1hb)
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425 Question: I wear glasses for up close, so I need it to see the front sight, but then I need to look over the glasses to see the target. Is there a way to deal with this that I don't know about? Because it takes like a second or two to switch my focus from up close to far away it doesn't seem to work for me.
Posted by: next in line at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (moBhW)
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For handgun shooting I wear readers (+2.5 I think) which focus at about 4 feet right around the front sight and aim for the center of the target blob.
Posted by: next in line at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (moBhW)
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For handgun shooting I wear readers (+2.5 I think) which focus at about 4 feet right around the front sight and aim for the center of the target blob.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)
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Howdy folks, my name is Jesse and I usually lurk. I am a second generation NRA life member. I only remember shooting with dad a time or two, at the Izaac Walton League range in Maryland. Dad got his life membership in 1960, when I was 2. All of my life there was a stack of American Rifleman next to his favorite chair...I read them all. Dad shot in the Md State olympics, at least once getting a bronze.
As the years went on, I got married, and had a kid of my own. We had a place to shoot then, and Mom and Dad would come spend a weekend on occasion, and we did shoot together a time or two.
I started my son shooting at about 6, with the Remington 580 single shot my dad had given me in 68. I still have it and plan to pass it to my kid soon.
To make a long story short, dad passed away 6 years ago. My brother and i split up his collection. We try to get together once a year or so, near his birthday, and shoot some of his guns, in honor of the memories.
As the years went on, I got married, and had a kid of my own. We had a place to shoot then, and Mom and Dad would come spend a weekend on occasion, and we did shoot together a time or two.
I started my son shooting at about 6, with the Remington 580 single shot my dad had given me in 68. I still have it and plan to pass it to my kid soon.
To make a long story short, dad passed away 6 years ago. My brother and i split up his collection. We try to get together once a year or so, near his birthday, and shoot some of his guns, in honor of the memories.
Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 16, 2019 10:05 PM (ouR/N)
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That's where I started, but it looks to me like a 3"/50 on a Mark 24 mount.
Bofors 40mm does not have an exposed recoil spring.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 16, 2019 10:02 PM (di1hb)
That's funny, I found one pic of the 3"/50 on a Mark 24 mount that has the recoil spring, but couldn't find another.
Until I found another! But it was a Bofors 40mm on a twin mount.
http://tinyurl.com/yy7adeq2
So I officially have no idea.
Bofors 40mm does not have an exposed recoil spring.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 16, 2019 10:02 PM (di1hb)
That's funny, I found one pic of the 3"/50 on a Mark 24 mount that has the recoil spring, but couldn't find another.
Until I found another! But it was a Bofors 40mm on a twin mount.
http://tinyurl.com/yy7adeq2
So I officially have no idea.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:06 PM (t+qrx)
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My dad passed away 20 years ago. I shot some of my first rounds with him although it was my mom who taught me the essentials.
Being the last late kid, I didn't get to go on many of the hunting or fishing trips but the ones I did were great.
He wanted me to go to Annapolis but I went Army ROTC. He wanted me to find a rich sorority girl, I married my high school sweetheart. He wanted me to stay close but my Army career took me all over the world.
When I got back from Desert Storm was the only time I saw him with tears. My last conversation with him he told me I was doing a great job as a dad. His granddaughters were special to him.
I miss him still today.
Being the last late kid, I didn't get to go on many of the hunting or fishing trips but the ones I did were great.
He wanted me to go to Annapolis but I went Army ROTC. He wanted me to find a rich sorority girl, I married my high school sweetheart. He wanted me to stay close but my Army career took me all over the world.
When I got back from Desert Storm was the only time I saw him with tears. My last conversation with him he told me I was doing a great job as a dad. His granddaughters were special to him.
I miss him still today.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 10:06 PM (axyOa)
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ahem: the Bofors 40 *does* have an exposed recoil spring, but the barrel on the pic is way too fat to be a 40mm
i concur on the 3"/50 cal call, pending approval by our resident expert, who is likely on the ONT at this very moment
i concur on the 3"/50 cal call, pending approval by our resident expert, who is likely on the ONT at this very moment
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 10:06 PM (AL4IR)
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Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 16, 2019 10:05 PM (ouR/N)
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Very nice Jesse in DC. You should de-lurk more often.
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Very nice Jesse in DC. You should de-lurk more often.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:08 PM (MVjcR)
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A naive question: Parkerizing and similar treatments are done in a hot liquid bath. Is the barrel normally plugged to prevent the surface treatment from reaching the bore?
A naive question: Parkerizing and similar treatments are done in a hot liquid bath. Is the barrel normally plugged to prevent the surface treatment from reaching the bore?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 16, 2019 10:08 PM (t5m5e)
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425 Question: I wear glasses for up close, so I need it to see the front sight, but then I need to look over the glasses to see the target. Is there a way to deal with this that I don't know about? Because it takes like a second or two to switch my focus from up close to far away it doesn't seem to work for me.
Posted by: next in line at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (moBhW)
I'm farsighted after cataract surgery and need reading glasses for closeup work. For handgun, I have good luck wearing a pair of low-power, cheap reading glasses. The front sight is in focus, the rear sight is still pretty sharp and the target is somewhat blurred, but good enough to line up the sights. This works better for me than just straight safety glasses, where the target is in focus, but I can't really see the sights clearly.
Posted by: next in line at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (moBhW)
I'm farsighted after cataract surgery and need reading glasses for closeup work. For handgun, I have good luck wearing a pair of low-power, cheap reading glasses. The front sight is in focus, the rear sight is still pretty sharp and the target is somewhat blurred, but good enough to line up the sights. This works better for me than just straight safety glasses, where the target is in focus, but I can't really see the sights clearly.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (MVjcR)
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A naive question: Parkerizing and similar treatments are done in a hot liquid bath. Is the barrel normally plugged to prevent the surface treatment from reaching the bore?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 16, 2019 10:08 PM (t5m5e)
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That's a very good question. I've often wondered the same thing. I'll try and find an awnser and post it next week.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 16, 2019 10:08 PM (t5m5e)
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That's a very good question. I've often wondered the same thing. I'll try and find an awnser and post it next week.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (MVjcR)
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Good stories, late arrivals. Best thing I've done as a father is make sure Jr. is well-versed in arms. And when they need to be used.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (2+QJR)
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My good buddy, and godfather to my daughters has the M1 Tanker. Weasel is right. It is absolutely a great shoot! Fun as hell!
Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (axyOa)
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428
For handgun shooting I wear readers (+2.5 I think) which focus at about 4 feet right around the front sight and aim for the center of the target blob.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)
This is pretty much what I do, although I think mine are lower power, maybe +1.50.
For handgun shooting I wear readers (+2.5 I think) which focus at about 4 feet right around the front sight and aim for the center of the target blob.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)
This is pretty much what I do, although I think mine are lower power, maybe +1.50.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (bjCNA)
441
OK everyone. ONT is up and it's past my bedtime. Hope to see you all next week. Good night!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (MVjcR)
442
Good night, Weasel, thanks for the thread!
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (t+qrx)
443
Ok sports fans. Time to check eyelids for pinholes. Nice Sunday night start to the week, as always, Big W.
Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (2+QJR)
444
This is pretty much what I do, although I think mine are lower power, maybe +1.50.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (bjCNA)
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My memory is pretty frail these days so they very well could be a lower power. Who are you people again?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (bjCNA)
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My memory is pretty frail these days so they very well could be a lower power. Who are you people again?
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (MVjcR)
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Good night Weasel. Have a good one.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (axyOa)
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442 Good night, Weasel, thanks for the thread!
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (t+qrx)
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You bet amigo!
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (t+qrx)
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You bet amigo!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:16 PM (MVjcR)
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I did not get to the range this week. I am kind of fed up with stupid RSOs. Last trip, I was finishing up my time on the line, literally holstering my pistol, cocked and locked, into the 4 o'clock position when an RSO reached in between me, underneath my holster, and the side wall of the booth to check/reload the stapler on my bench.
The RSO literally placed a large portion of his body directly in/under the muzzle of my pistol as I was holstering. No notice, no warning, no notification at all! He couldn't have observed what I was doing and that I was preparing to vacate the lane and waited that crucial 5 to 10 seconds!
What could possibly go wrong???
I spoke with another RSO and their response was I shouldn't be holstering at that position even though I have sought permission to do so and demonstrated proficiency to other RSOs. It was somehow my fault that an RSO did something so utterly stupid.
I really think I need a new range but when I review range rules they are all incredibly vague about drawing and holstering. Therefore, at any given time, at the same range, something is approved or banned, depending on a whim of an RSO. I'm surprised someone doesn't get shot every month. But it isn't due to lack of effort.
The RSO literally placed a large portion of his body directly in/under the muzzle of my pistol as I was holstering. No notice, no warning, no notification at all! He couldn't have observed what I was doing and that I was preparing to vacate the lane and waited that crucial 5 to 10 seconds!
What could possibly go wrong???
I spoke with another RSO and their response was I shouldn't be holstering at that position even though I have sought permission to do so and demonstrated proficiency to other RSOs. It was somehow my fault that an RSO did something so utterly stupid.
I really think I need a new range but when I review range rules they are all incredibly vague about drawing and holstering. Therefore, at any given time, at the same range, something is approved or banned, depending on a whim of an RSO. I'm surprised someone doesn't get shot every month. But it isn't due to lack of effort.
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