GAINZZZ Thread

As you probably know, because I never shut up about it, I went 27 1/2 days on an almost pure fast, no calories. The "almost" part is there because after my doctor scared me and told me to go off the fast, due to mild dehydration, I started breaking it with some bone broth and olives on day 23.

Then I decided I was wrong to break it and continued it, though after that, I did have two cups of bone broth a day to make sure I got my electrolytes in. Two cups of bone broth together are 80 calories. I bent the fast a little, but I don't think I really broke it.

The only other calories I've had were from sugar-free Metamucil every two or three days -- apparently 20-40 calories a serving. Soluble fiber, I think, while not digestible by your own processes, gets digested by your intestinal flora into butyrane and other short-chain fatty acids, which then enter your blood stream as actual nutrition.

Anyway, so, those small number of calories aside, no calories for 23 days, then 80 calories per day for the last four days.

I've had a few bad days -- I got dehydrated last Thursday and Friday -- and I've had the occasional... GI problems, but only occasionally and pretty lightly.

But some of the days I felt, no exaggeration the best I've felt that I can remember. Some days I've had very high energy and great optimism and a feeling of well-being. (I think that depression is pretty much just low energy, and good feelings and optimism are just high energy. At least for me, it works out that simply.)

A big problem I had is that, because I'd been drinking so much, and peeing so damn much, I keep waking up in the night, sometimes twice, to pee. So my sleep wasn't great most days.

Hunger almost entirely went away on day seven or eight, so it got super-easy, barely an inconvenience past that point.

Hunger would come back occasionally, but usually only due to stimulus, like someone eating in front of me. And not very ravenously.

Most of the time I could watch recipe/cooking videos now without torturing myself.

At some point, I wanted to eat not because I was actually hungry or felt that I needed to eat, but because I was bored of not eating, if that makes sense.

Eating is a pretty major sensory stimulus -- I would say it's the most sensuous experience people routinely have, outside of sex -- and you do start to miss it.

My weight dropped from 181 to 161, from 23.5% body fat to 19.1%. Since then, I held pretty stable at 163, but the last couple of days, the scale says I gained four more pounds back.

Not sure why because I've been doing One Meal A Day (OMAD) many days, and Nearly One Mean a Day (NOMAD -- copyright me, just one main meal plus some olives or something light an hour later) most days.

Gaining four pounds in two or three days is a lot of regain, so I think that maybe that's a lot of water weight I should have regained earlier but didn't. I stopped making a point to drink lots of liquids the moment I ended the fast, so maybe I just got dehydrated post-fast, or kept the mild case of dehydration going.

I had quite a headache for four days running so maybe that's confirmation that I was dehydrated, and maybe the regain is due to my trying to drink a lot of fluids since then.

I have not yet returned to weightlifting or martial arts, because I'm very lazy. I really have to get back to that.

Overall, it was a good experience. I felt pretty good most days -- some days I felt really good. I didn't make it quite to my main goal of 28 days, and not to my extended goals of 31, 35, or 40 days, but maybe next time.

I would definitely not recommend a long fast like that to anyone; it's something you build up to, like a skill. You need to get good at fasting, and get your body accomodated it, starting with just going 16 hours without any food, then 20, then 24, then 36 (a full day, plus that night), then two days, then three days, then four, then five. Shorter fasts to just get acclimated to it, and develop the needed knowledge base (like how much salt you, personally, need to supplement per day).

Once you're up to five days you can go for seven, and then after seven, you can probably go as long as you like, but I wouldn't recommend going too far in early days.

In fact, I wouldn't suggest that anyone who hasn't been fasting for short periods of time on and off for a year ever try more than five days, because at the five day point, refeeding syndrome becomes a possibility, which could result in hospitalization or death if you shock your system with too much food too quickly.

So, I did that, and sort of can't wait to go again in August, maybe. I was knocking on the door of being actually fit, and didn't quite get there. (I had/have sort of loose and pock-marked skin in my belly, due to fat being sucked out of there.)

I'm thinking just keep to keto and intermittent fasting for a couple of months, then see if I can get to the most stubborn and oldest fat I have on my body, the stuff I've had since I was 11.

This isn't just about weight loss, though excess weight is connected to a lot of chronic conditions. It's also about my fasting glucose levels being too high -- hanging right around 100, which is considered the starting point of being "prediabetic," and wanting to drop that to about 90. (It was down in the high fifties during the fast, but then, of course it was.)

I'm still being insulin resistant and therefore very sensitive to carbohydrates. Supposedly one can, over time, reverse these conditions, or at least lessen them.

So: Tell me about YO GAINZZZ.

Oh, and also: Open thread. GAINZZZ talk is invited, but you can talk about whatever you like.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 07:30 PM

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Posted by: Ha at June 20, 2019 07:32 PM (MAstk)

2 Top ten?

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 20, 2019 07:33 PM (sZzDP)

3 Evening, everyone

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2019 07:34 PM (di1hb)

4 I'm doin' good, weight perfect.

And no special diet to achieve it. Aside from the "no meat" part.

Just don't eat too much, and get some exercise. Works for me, at least.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:34 PM (oFcdC)

5 Yo! was here a little earlier today.

I would never mis-represent myself as a legend like Yo!

Yo! speaks for himself.

Didn't know that Yo! did GAINZZZ, however.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 07:34 PM (sy5kK)

6 Hey that sounds dangerous, especially the metamucil.

Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2019 07:34 PM (qBNEP)

7 Glad to see this topic again, because I wouldn't mind some input from the Horde. I've been doing IF for over a month now, and I'm in my 3rd week of keto/low carb. I feel tired and weak, and occasionally really loopy and out of it. I AM losing weight though.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 07:35 PM (wvGlN)

8 My secret, I think, is 100% homemade meals, everything from scratch. Very very healthy diet. Almost nothing "processed." Mostly whole grains.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:35 PM (oFcdC)

9 >>>6 Hey that sounds dangerous, especially the metamucil.

why especially the metamucil?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:35 PM (PbpT7)

10 Ace training for, "Naked and Afraid ".

Posted by: Redenzo at June 20, 2019 07:35 PM (14qvS)

11 I'm having pizza and beer right now.

Fuck all y'all.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 07:35 PM (FiUMj)

12 I started keto about 3 weeks ago, and have done some intermittent fasting as well, because I find I'm just not that hungry. I've averaged about a pound a day of weight loss, and feel a ton better. As far as I know, I haven't had a single day over 20g of carbs total, let alone net. I find it easy to do (the keto diet) because the food is good, and I actually saw results right away (if only water weight from cutting out the TON of sugar a day I was eating) and have continued to see results.

Posted by: Jason at June 20, 2019 07:35 PM (F87nn)

13 I plan to lift until I'm uncomfortably swole, and I hope everyone will just stay away from me. I'd like to be unable to fully put my arms up and hire a supermodel to put my shirts on for me.

Oh ace I do think I'm going to take your advice with the combat sport. I'm kinda seething with rage so a nice physical outlet might help. Options would be BJJ, muay thai or boxing. I'm leaning muay thai.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 07:36 PM (0PDHs)

14 I've been working my way toward keto, but still cheating. First clear gain is in better focus and mental clarity.
I've got a book on my shelf called, IIRC, Ketofast by Dr Joseph Mercola.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:36 PM (aCNZ6)

15 That does not sound healthy.How much weight training are you doing....?

Posted by: Neokong at June 20, 2019 07:36 PM (IuuWp)

16 Sorry I'm late, was watching the Lynda Carter youtube from the previous thread.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 07:36 PM (cfSRQ)

17 A big problem I had is that, because I'd been drinking so much, and
peeing so damn much, I keep waking up in the night, sometimes twice, to
pee. So my sleep wasn't great most days.

This is an everynight problem for the 29 year old crowd. Or so I've heard.

Posted by: pep at June 20, 2019 07:36 PM (T6t7i)

18 If I'm not a Gainzzzer, does that make me a Loszzzer?

I hope not.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 20, 2019 07:36 PM (axyOa)

19 Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 07:35 PM (wvGlN)

Get some electrolytes.

Posted by: BignJames at June 20, 2019 07:37 PM (ykq7q)

20 DIET IMPERFECTION!

IMPERFECTION!

IMPERFECTION!

STERILIZE!

STERILIZE!

Posted by: NOMAD at June 20, 2019 07:37 PM (Lz9fr)

21 11
I'm having pizza and beer right now.

Fuck all y'all.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 07:35 PM (FiUMj)

LOL

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 07:37 PM (wvGlN)

22 Ace - Have you been getting exercise during these fasts?
Wondering how that could work with barely caloric intake.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 07:38 PM (BbGew)

23 Been sticking with my 2 mile run every other day with weights and machines in between....

Been adding weight to my routine for the challenge and doing more pull ups when I do the back/arms/shoulder stuff.

I hump a 30 pound pack once a week 3.2 clicks (2 miles) just for the fun of it...try and keep my time to 30 minutes but usually end up around 33 or 34 minutes.

Getting old I guess.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 07:38 PM (Z+IKu)

24 Sensei Ace, please do not break your foot off in my ass! I had a hardshell taco today and I'm guilty as charged.

Posted by: Fritz at June 20, 2019 07:38 PM (kLDv+)

25 Can't really say I have any gainzz.

I work out, then something comes along and I stop. I work hard to watch calories, and don't see results. Haven't weighed myself recently, but I was back to 260 while working out, walking and averaging about 2,200 calories a day.

I do have good full body workouts, I always feel great after, and I think I've built up my upper body a bit. Just need to be more consistent.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 20, 2019 07:38 PM (sZzDP)

26 My weight dropped from 181 to 161, from 23.5% body fat to 19.1%

Without a height measurement, this information doesn't tell us much.

Comfortable with revealing your height?

If you're 6'0", that you're skinny as hell.

If you're 5'3", you're chunky.

Without context, we don't know!

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:38 PM (oFcdC)

27 Dr Annette Bosworth recommends holding off on fasting until you're solidly and consistently in ketosis, when your living off stored fat.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:38 PM (aCNZ6)

28 My gains have stalled because my internist said it would be illegal for her to prescribe Stanizolol for my glaucoma.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 07:38 PM (0PDHs)

29 8 My secret, I think, is 100% homemade meals, everything from scratch. Very very healthy diet. Almost nothing "processed." Mostly whole grains.
Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:35 PM (oFcdC)

Processed food is profitable poison made by Plutocrats.

Carbs, fats, salt. Cooked at a high temp. Taste buds say "yes", your body says "really?"

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 07:38 PM (sy5kK)

30 >>>I've been doing IF for over a month now, and I'm in my 3rd week of keto/low carb. I feel tired and weak, and occasionally really loopy and out of it.

that's pretty normal. Your body is probably starting to burn fat for ketone energy, BUT it's probably not all the way up to speed on that, and because you've restricted your routine primary source of energy (carbs), there's a lag in energy as one source is way down and the other source isn't up at full production yet.

Also, very important: Dehydration. Everyone sheds water weight when they lose any weight or go low carb, and they shed too much of it.

Make sure you get extra salt in your diet, maybe make sure to add a full teaspoon a day. that will help you retain more water.

What you're describing is often called the Keto Flu, not a real flu, but it feels like a flu.

Water + Salt + time fixes it.

I suspect you're not in the keto flu phase, because that's usually a day 5 to day 10 sort of thing, but are instead dehydrated and feeling weak, loopy, and maybe potentially dizzy because of it.

water + salt, water + salt.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:39 PM (PbpT7)

31 A big problem I had is that, because I'd been drinking so much, and
peeing so damn much, I keep waking up in the night, sometimes twice, to
pee. So my sleep wasn't great most days.
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Stop drinking an hour before bedtime and the problem should solve itself.

I chug water all day, but back it off in the evening.

Sleep is very, very important.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 07:39 PM (cfSRQ)

32 Fascinating. No homo. Best of luck. I don't tire of your Tales From Teh Fast. (TFTF) TM

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 20, 2019 07:39 PM (Jj+59)

33 Strict keto says no hobo jerky until day 29

Posted by: Holistic Miklos at June 20, 2019 07:39 PM (QzkSJ)

34 ace @ 9-- Well, I thought metamucil was to combat constipation. Ain't no way you're constipated. Hell, you don't eat enough to keep a cat alive. We'd like you to....live long....and prosper.

Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2019 07:39 PM (qBNEP)

35 No gainzz for me.

Trying to get back onto my low-carbing. Hard. Harder than I've ever experienced before.

I must be getting older or something.

Posted by: filbert at June 20, 2019 07:39 PM (Lz9fr)

36 I usually don't chime in on these, but what the hell.

I currently have 4 visable abs and am chasing the last two out of vanity, but without much success. Seeing Hugh Jackman in "Days of Future Past" on FX the other day didn't help.

I've been talking workouts with some coworkers recently, and we were discussing Mountain Tactical's military athlete programs. You guys know about this? I did a program a couple of years ago and would recommend it. I got considerably stronger on it.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 20, 2019 07:39 PM (tRd71)

37 Work has been busy, and I hate my supervisors, so I'm eating more carbs due to stress. I'm trying to get back into the habit of cooking roast beef and chicken on Sundays so that I have something during the week, or just grabbing roast beef from the deli before work.

Gym... no changes. I seem to be stuck for the moment.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 20, 2019 07:40 PM (SgjGX)

38 Went from 214(!) on 22 May to 206 this morning, mostly by paying attention to calorie content labels and limiting sodium (water retention). If I break the calorie goal on my watch tracker thing, I get two scoops of ice cream as a reward, in honor of our beloved president. Mostly just pay attention to the labels, take in less energy than expended, go for things like lean meat and fish over bread and sugar. You'd be surprised how many calories are in a can of soda or a tub of suet.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 07:40 PM (t+qrx)

39 Hmm.

Many, many years ago the old man instilled the idea of "soft" foods (carbs, sugar) being something to eat in very limited quantities. I've stuck with that (ok, varied over the years), kept me in better overall shape than most my age...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 20, 2019 07:40 PM (6qErC)

40 Ace,

How tall are you?

By your weight and % body fat, I'd guess 5' 11".

Posted by: hepcat at June 20, 2019 07:40 PM (5b+Sr)

41 16 Sorry I'm late, was watching the Lynda Carter youtube from the previous thread.

Universal hall pass around here.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 20, 2019 07:41 PM (sy5kK)

42 >>>22 Ace - Have you been getting exercise during these fasts?

I've exercised during previous fasts but not this one. 1, I felt lazy, 2, I had a goal of 28 days and didn't want to maybe go off the rails by making myself too hungry or getting dizzy or dehydrated.

If you exercise while on a short fast (1 or 2 days), you can just exercise as normal. Anything longer and you can only exercise lighter than usual, just to keep in the game, not to build muscle or anything (which is pretty much impossible on a fast).

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:41 PM (PbpT7)

43 water + salt, water + salt.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:39 PM (PbpT7)

I already drink tons of water, I'll try adding salt. Thanks!

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 07:41 PM (wvGlN)

44 When you get dehydrated, drink pickle juice. In triathlon, guys started dying, hyponatremia was the cause. In hot humid conditions, you sweat. But water can't move through the cell membrane all by itself, it needs salt or potassium. If you keep drinking straight water, it just depletes salt, and the hotter it gets, the more it cascades. If you get cramps working out, Do. Not. Drink. Water.
Pickle juice will perk you right the f-up. it's really amazing. I think the vinegar/ph helps too, but I can't prove it.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 20, 2019 07:42 PM (ty7RM)

45 Annette Bosworth recommends ketostix to test for ketones in your urine but then recommends a breath tester and finally a blood tester.
But I've been unable to find the latter two.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:42 PM (aCNZ6)

46 I suspect you're not in the keto flu phase, because
that's usually a day 5 to day 10 sort of thing, but are instead
dehydrated and feeling weak, loopy, and maybe potentially dizzy because
of it.

water + salt, water + salt.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:39 PM (PbpT7)

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Good grief.

Or, you could just find a stable, sustainable diet and ramp up your activity level.

I'm lazy. Getting old. Not 28 anymore. I did some fasting (skipping breakfast, basically) and weight came off but having found a nice equilibrium in diet, I'm working on simply staying active.

Light workout, some brisk walks multiple times a day.

Lo and behold! Weight goes down.

This "suck down nothing but salt and water for three weeks" thing scares the hell out of me.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 07:42 PM (cfSRQ)

47 Sorry I'm late, was watching the Lynda Carter youtube from the previous thread.

The blonde girl from Little House on the Prairie was nice too with her little wiggle

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:42 PM (39g3+)

48 >>>I currently have 4 visable abs and am chasing the last two out of vanity, but without much success. Seeing Hugh Jackman in "Days of Future Past" on FX the other day didn't help.

nice. that was my goal. I didn't quite make it.

Well, I only wanted 2 (the top 2, obviously).

you've got 4. That's pretty damn good.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:42 PM (PbpT7)

49 Congratulations on your weight loss!
How tall are you, ace?

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2019 07:42 PM (RBOtF)

50 The headaches are definitely dehydration, but not just from lack of water, but salt to hold the water. Bone broth plus water or just salt your water with iodized salt. If you eat unprocessed, any headache is almost always low sodium induced dehydration.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 07:43 PM (nRWPy)

51 Starvin Marvin from South Park ain't got nothing on you. Including the long term damage to your immune system and the potential negative effects to your liver and kidneys.

Obviously I'm not a big believer in long term fasting or multiple long term fasts a year.

I would much rather eat select foods to keep my body on balance.

*awaits return fire*

Posted by: Marcus T at June 20, 2019 07:43 PM (VkWRL)

52 Also, never stopped working out. To this day I can bench body weight for multiple sets/reps.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 20, 2019 07:44 PM (6qErC)

53 Ace, besides Rhonda Patrick which I know you've listened to, Dr. Peter Attia has some great podcasts. Youngish interesting guy who digs deep into the research of this stuff. He has a full time staff just to review research. Anyhow, based on the CURRENT research fasting is as he said, "the best tool in the toolbox for longevity."

His interview by Metabolic Mike of High Intensity Health is very good.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2019 07:44 PM (jUVms)

54 I already drink tons of water, I'll try adding salt. Thanks!
Posted by: Jordan61

Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox, put vinegar in to the water in his canteen (or flask). Water and vinegar.

Always seemed remarkably healthy, considering swamp livin'.

Posted by: Miklos, Wild and Crazy Guy at June 20, 2019 07:44 PM (QzkSJ)

55 Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 20, 2019 07:42 PM (ty7RM)

Saw a pickle flavored vodka @ the liquor store a while back....what a country!

Posted by: BignJames at June 20, 2019 07:44 PM (ykq7q)

56 >>>When you get dehydrated, drink pickle juice.

i'm going to go ahead and say No, like Lumberg?

Pickle juice has lots of electroyltes but if you have too many electrolytes at once you will probably get diarrhea which will eliminate MORE water from you.

This is what killed my 12 day fast (my previous one). I wanted electrolytes, I had two or three tablespoons of of pickle juice, I then was on the toilet on and off for hours and wound up feeling worse than I had before I had the juice.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:44 PM (PbpT7)

57 This isn't just about weight loss, though excess weight is connected to a lot of chronic conditions. It's also about my fasting glucose levels being too high -- hanging right around 100, which is considered the starting point of being "prediabetic," and wanting to drop that to about 90. (It was down in the high fifties during the fast, but then, of course it was.)

I'm still being insulin resistant and therefore very sensitive to carbohydrates. Supposedly one can, over time, reverse these conditions, or at least lessen them.

For centuries diabetes was classified as an :incurable" disease.

Then about ten years ago they did studies with mice, first giving them diabetes by force-feeding them until they wer emorbidly obese, then later putting them on extremely calorie-restricted diets for months and months. Result: Literally "cured" of diabetes. Pancreas grew back, back to normal.

THen they did similar studies on humans who already had diabetes. 3 or 4 months on extremely calories-restricted diets, just enough to keep them alive. Annndddd... 80% cure rate. Reversed and cured a supposedly incurable condition.

So, diabetes is actually a curable problem. It's just hat most people do not have the cojones to do what it takes to cure it. So they spend their whole live suffering, when they could spend a few months hungry and solve the problem permanently.

This is not well-known, for some reason.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:44 PM (oFcdC)

58 Good afternoon. Stop and give me twenty.

Posted by: HP RoboCop at June 20, 2019 07:45 PM (6eEQ+)

59 "you've got 4. That's pretty damn good."

One would think so, but I was hitting my heavy bag and my 8 year old daughter said "Daddy, you have a 4 pack" in a tone that didn't sound like she was that impressed.

But whatever, I feel pretty confident I will still fuck up whatever skinny jeans wearing punk shows up at my door to try and take her out.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 20, 2019 07:45 PM (tRd71)

60 I've exercised during previous fasts but not this
one. 1, I felt lazy, 2, I had a goal of 28 days and didn't want to maybe
go off the rails by making myself too hungry or getting dizzy or
dehydrated.

If you exercise while on a short fast (1 or 2 days), you can just
exercise as normal. Anything longer and you can only exercise lighter
than usual, just to keep in the game, not to build muscle or anything
(which is pretty much impossible on a fast).

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:41 PM (PbpT7)

---
Hard lesson I learned earlier this spring: Don't do a hard workout on a 'fasting day' (which for me was just skipping breakfast).

I found cutting back the day after provided benefit.

But I'm also not reading 20 books on the topic, so what do I know.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 07:45 PM (cfSRQ)

61 I find that when I eat high fat/low carb I really don't want to eat very often. I stay sated for a long time.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:45 PM (aCNZ6)

62
Options would be BJJ, muay thai or boxing. I'm leaning muay thai.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 07:36 PM

see if there are any boxing gyms around what do a "boxing for fitness" program, it is absolutely amazing

I've been doing it a couple times a week for about three months & really like it

you'd be amazed how aerobic hitting a heavy bag for three minutes is & jumping rope for three minutes will flat-out kick your ass

remind me to tell the story of how I ended up in a boxing gym; it's too early for the wall of text now

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 20, 2019 07:45 PM (KCxzN)

63 If you've been in keto on and off several times, you don't get keto flu anymore. LCHF is more of a fat adapted diet where you move in and out of keto naturally without all the stupid stuff, the drawback is the calorie counting vs just eating to fullness as in keto.

Really, just cutting out all processed food, sugar, starches, and grains and cranking up the green leafy veg will drop weight like crazy and makes you feel fantastic.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 07:45 PM (nRWPy)

64 Water and vinegar. "

Which also cleaned up aid said water...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 20, 2019 07:46 PM (6qErC)

65 i'm a little over 5'9"

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:46 PM (PbpT7)

66 I'm not going to razz ace too much for the fasting, he's done his homework and I don't think he's in danger.

I just don't find the results impressive. A net 14 lb loss for a month of work during which it's impossible to build muscle? I mean 14 lbs to ace means more than 14 lbs to me, but still.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 07:46 PM (0PDHs)

67 Jan Smithers from WKRP in the dunk tank
https://youtu.be/BJ9yqEMYx20

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:46 PM (39g3+)

68 So, diabetes is actually a curable problem. It's just hat most people do not have the cojones to do what it takes to cure it. So they spend their whole live suffering, when they could spend a few months hungry and solve the problem permanently.

This is not well-known, for some reason.
Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:44 PM (oFcdC)

We know. And we're proud of that.

Posted by: Big Pharma at June 20, 2019 07:47 PM (sy5kK)

69 I have besides mostly black coffee, drink water, and of course scotch.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 07:47 PM (BbGew)

70 remind me to tell the story of how I ended up in a boxing gym; it's too early for the wall of text now
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 20, 2019 07:45 PM (KCxzN)

This better start with "So there I was - and this is no-shit..."

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 07:47 PM (t+qrx)

71 Alton: Oh I know how much of a workout it is. I've tried to box a fake 12 rd fight with no opponent and by the end I couldn't even throw a punch.

But currently I'd like to actually hit someone. Eventually.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 07:47 PM (0PDHs)

72 >>>For centuries diabetes was classified as an :incurable" disease.

just to clarify, zombie is speaking of Type 2 diabetes, which can be reversed.

I think Type 1 cannot be.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:48 PM (PbpT7)

73 I am down 19lbs in a month avoiding the whites, except for my low carb vanilla almond milk with stevia, and moderately exercising.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 07:48 PM (yQpMk)

74 high fat/low carb I really don't want to eat very often. I stay sated for a long time."

Can't be overstated

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 20, 2019 07:48 PM (6qErC)

75 Fantastic job, Ace! The most I ever did was 21 days. I gained a couple pounds back right away, too. Maybe your body is just normalizing fluid balance now that all that liquid isn't being shed to push out junk from your cells.

Fwiw, I waited a year between the 18 day and 21 day fasts, with shorter maintenance FD casting in between and since. You know the muscle wasting stuff is overblown, but these fasts are still major stressors.

Posted by: ogmrobvious at June 20, 2019 07:48 PM (+oc4Q)

76 Ace, fasting glucose in the fifties is very low -- this is borderline severe hypoglycemia.

Posted by: CBrown at June 20, 2019 07:48 PM (HgCe7)

77 No question though, while fasting you must hydrate like a MOFO and stay on top of your electrolytes.

The electrolyte deal is what trips up first time or keto dieters in their first few weeks.

Flake salt under the tongue helps with hunger pangs while fasting.

Maldon Salt sells a 3 pack on amazon for cheap and I use it even on short fasts.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2019 07:48 PM (jUVms)

78 Jan Smithers from WKRP in the dunk tank
https://youtu.be/BJ9yqEMYx20
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

This was a kindness.

Posted by: Miklos, appreciative at June 20, 2019 07:48 PM (QzkSJ)

79 Pro-tip:
You can eat whatever you want if you throw it up right afterwards.

I call it the "mikeyG Tonsil Poke Diet".

Buy my book!

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 07:49 PM (LL1Be)

80 My gainzz-I had a piece of cheesecake after not having any sweets for quite some time. I enjoyed it very much and don't feel at all guilty about it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 20, 2019 07:49 PM (ivkO2)

81 just to clarify, zombie is speaking of Type 2 diabetes, which can be reversed.

Yeah, type 2 is more of a condition or syndrome than a disease. It's your body telling you that you are too fat and trying to dump the weight.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 07:49 PM (yQpMk)

82 Its too bad that the battle of the network stars shows were way before HD. They do have some more recent ones but they suck, mostly because you don't even know who 90% of the people are.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:49 PM (39g3+)

83 40 Ace,

How tall are you?

By your weight and % body fat, I'd guess 5' 11".
Posted by: hepcat

161 lbs and 5'11" That is really really skinny.

No one who is 5'11" and 161 lbs would be worrying about their weight.

It's got to be a few (or more) inches shorter than that.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:50 PM (oFcdC)

84 low carb vanilla almond milk with stevia

Sorry man, but that sounds so ghey Barry would like some

Posted by: Miklos, nose wrinkled at June 20, 2019 07:50 PM (QzkSJ)

85 >>>I just don't find the results impressive. A net 14 lb loss for a month of work during which it's impossible to build muscle? I mean 14 lbs to ace means more than 14 lbs to me, but still.

To be honest, as in any regime, you expect to lose faster, so yeah, I'm a little disappointed too. I wanted to be cut by day 27.

but... fourteen pounds of (alnost all) fat is nothing to snzeeze at.

Also, it was pretty easy.

you say, "but you coudln't lift,' and I say, "I was feeling lazy anyway and probably wouldn't have lifted, and enjoyed the free pass from having to lift."

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:50 PM (PbpT7)

86 I honestly don't have a sweet tooth anymore. But chips and cheezies are a challenge as is a weekly beer.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:50 PM (aCNZ6)

87 75 Fantastic job, Ace! The most I ever did was 21 days. I gained a couple pounds back right away, too. Maybe your body is just normalizing fluid balance now that all that liquid isn't being shed to push out junk from your cells.

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Agree! That's amazing just from a mental challenge stand point.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2019 07:51 PM (jUVms)

88 67
Jan Smithers from WKRP in the dunk tank

https://youtu.be/BJ9yqEMYx20

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:46 PM (39g3+)

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What's alluring about that is how unaffected her response is. You see the person, rather than the role.

And she was gorgeous.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 07:51 PM (cfSRQ)

89 Getting old I guess.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Need to up your game, pussy.

Posted by: RBG at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (Pu/Kw)

90 So are there fat bomb recipes in The Deplorable Gourmet?

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (aCNZ6)

91 I have lost 21 pounds in the last 9 weeks. Not a keto guy but I have limited carbs to about 100 grams/day. I am just trying to eat healthier. I feel better too. I love finding low carb foods that are tasty. Newest find is Oikos triple zero peach yogurt. The best tasting peach yogurt I have ever had.

Posted by: Guam tipper at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (FsgBK)

92 >>>76 Ace, fasting glucose in the fifties is very low -- this is borderline severe hypoglycemia.

bear in mind, when I say I was "fasting," I don't mean I was 12 hours without food. I mean I was weeks without food.

When you're burning fat, your body only breaks down as much protein as is strictly necessary for the few systems in your body that require glucose.

It's not strange. My ketones were meanwhile like 3.5. (That's high.)

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (PbpT7)

93 Kind of a weird way to GAINZZZ for me. After a lifetime of high-fat diets and losing my gall bladder about 10 years ago, I developed gout. I took medication for it, but I had to give up beef and pork and shellfish. So with all the food joy gone from my life, I just ended it all and now I'm decomposing quite nicely.

Posted by: the former motionview at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (pYQR/)

94 And she was gorgeous.

Even without those cute big glasses from the show

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (39g3+)

95 >>>Agree! That's amazing just from a mental challenge stand point.

it's really the first 7 days where almost all the problems are. beyond that, it's pretty easy.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:53 PM (PbpT7)

96 That's amazing just from a mental challenge stand point.
Posted by: Seems Legit

Cool!

*responds with mentally challenged keg stand*

Posted by: Bro Miklos at June 20, 2019 07:53 PM (QzkSJ)

97 It was easy for you. To me, lifting is easy. I absolutely don't want to stop for a month. If anything I wish I woke up.a bit earlier on the weekends because i could probably throw in one more heavy day a week and not be any worse for the wear.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 07:54 PM (0PDHs)

98 78
Jan Smithers from WKRP in the dunk tank

https://youtu.be/BJ9yqEMYx20

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

This was a kindness.

Posted by: Miklos, appreciative

I hope Mr. Streisand saw it.

Posted by: pep at June 20, 2019 07:54 PM (T6t7i)

99 Lulz... Oh boy, here's one of Ace's threads when our fearless leader shows that he is a fucking basket case of fruity psuedo scienctific food pyramid gobbledygook... byutates? short-range calories? Gainzz? lulz..fucking basket case. How about, try normal food eaten normally? You'd be surprised at how healthy you can be just by not being a fucking basket case... Fucking basket case...

Posted by: If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor at June 20, 2019 07:54 PM (1mmcA)

100 Eating would be the easy part.

No way I'm giving up alcohol.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 07:54 PM (LL1Be)

101 So are there fat bomb recipes in The Deplorable Gourmet?

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (aCNZ6)

You don't own it? INFIDEL! Stone the infidel!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 07:54 PM (fuK7c)

102 No one who is 5'11" and 161 lbs would be worrying about their weight.

It's got to be a few (or more) inches shorter than that.
Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:50 PM (oFcdC)

Ugh my son is 5'11" and weighs about 125 lbs. I think they gave me the wrong baby at the hospital. My husband & I are both short and fat.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 07:54 PM (wvGlN)

103 Pretty interesting, when are you going to test that insulin resistance to see what the big fast did?

The shit's eventually got to go down?

I've switched to OMAD, cut back on weightlifting, and gone to more cardio and am losing weight. and muscle. but I can grow that back.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 07:54 PM (JziUy)

104
*responds with mentally challenged keg stand*

Posted by: Bro Miklos at June 20, 2019 07:53 PM

DUDE!!!!

Posted by: Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh at June 20, 2019 07:55 PM (KCxzN)

105 >>>97 It was easy for you. To me, lifting is easy. I absolutely don't want to stop for a month. If anything I wish I woke up.a bit earlier on the weekends because i could probably throw in one more heavy day a week and not be any worse for the wear.

no amount of crunches are going to show abs through bellyfat.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:55 PM (PbpT7)

106 Also, it was pretty easy.

you say, "but you coudln't lift,' and I say, "I was feeling lazy
anyway and probably wouldn't have lifted, and enjoyed the free pass from
having to lift."

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:50 PM (PbpT7)

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I've found pushing strength is better. Do heavier workouts, more often, and hold the (sustainable, enjoyable) diet constant.

Plus, muscle is sexier than scrawny.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 07:55 PM (cfSRQ)

107 I'm having a beer and eating M&Ms. Because they're in front of me.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 20, 2019 07:55 PM (NtglE)

108 According to Annette Bosworth ketones will, over time, melt the crystals that cause gout and form kidney stones. But along the way they get just small enough to move and that can lead to pain.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:55 PM (aCNZ6)

109 105 >>>97 It was easy for you. To me, lifting is easy. I absolutely don't want to stop for a month. If anything I wish I woke up.a bit earlier on the weekends because i could probably throw in one more heavy day a week and not be any worse for the wear.

no amount of crunches are going to show abs through bellyfat.

...

i get what you're saying, your priority is building muscle. I wanted to get to a lower weight where I could then shift priorities to that.

depends on your priorities. I wanted to lean out more than I wanted to build.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:56 PM (PbpT7)

110 I wouldn't wish almond milk on anyone

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 07:56 PM (BbGew)

111 Jan Smithers from WKRP in the dunk tank

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insanely pretty. she got a different kind of swimsuit than whatever tissue it was linda carter wore tho.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 07:56 PM (JziUy)

112 i'm a little over 5'9"
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:46 PM (PbpT7
***********
You are now at the perfect weight for your height.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2019 07:57 PM (RBOtF)

113 You don't own it? INFIDEL! Stone the infidel!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 07:54 PM (fuK7c)

Oh shit. In trouble I am.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:57 PM (aCNZ6)

114 I got no gainzzz.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 07:57 PM (t6MX/)

115 You don't own it? INFIDEL! Stone the infidel!
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Let Bluebell rest up after the "Morsi is mort" escapade.

Posted by: Miklos OPSEC is my somewhat awkward middle name at June 20, 2019 07:57 PM (QzkSJ)

116 Impressive fast. Not sure I could do that, but I appreciate the idea that it's something you work up to (much like a marathon, I guess).

One question, re: the fasting glucose: do you have a meter at home to check daily? I have toyed with the idea of buying one, but fear that I would become obsessive with it.

As it is, my most recent blood test (Feb.) was a fasting 89. It's the stat I obsess about most, because my mother has Type 2 diabetes.

I am almost always motivated to exercise (step aerobics, weights, walking/running), but am always hungry, too. I'm about 4-5 pounds past where I should be, in my estimation.

Posted by: BethinPA at June 20, 2019 07:57 PM (2a+DH)

117 72 >>>For centuries diabetes was classified as an :incurable" disease.

just to clarify, zombie is speaking of Type 2 diabetes, which can be reversed.

I think Type 1 cannot be.
Posted by: ace

Of course.

For those who don't know, there are two kinds of diabetes:

"Type 1" is a genetic condition you are born with. An innate inability to keep your blood sugar normal. Nothing to do with obesity. In fact, most "Type 1" diabetics are thin. In the old days, they didn't live long -- it was a pretty much fatal genetic condition. But the invention/discovery of injectable insulin made it a survivable condition.

"Type 2" diabetes is better thought of as "acquired diabetes," which you get from being obese and overeating carbs for years and years. THIS is the kind that was proven to be reversible.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:57 PM (oFcdC)

118 Posted by: If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor

Allahpudnut's an angry toddler today.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 20, 2019 07:57 PM (DrqHq)

119 she got a different kind of swimsuit than whatever tissue it was linda carter wore tho.

Lynda Carter seemed nice but she always comes across as a dimwit in interviews, subnormal IQ. I think Jan was smart or modest enough to pick something that wouldn't be quite so revealing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:57 PM (39g3+)

120 I still don't get the caloric restriction thing. Why not just eat normally and hit it hard?
I'm 55, 6'4" and when I'm in race shape, 190 max. Check out my twitter profile pic for proof: my screen name. I realize everyone of a certain age has their limitations, but focusing on the burn side is all that really works. All the calorie games eventually end in disappointment.
Just my take.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (ty7RM)

121 >>>Pretty interesting, when are you going to test that insulin resistance to see what the big fast did?

The shit's eventually got to go down?

I've switched to OMAD, cut back on weightlifting, and gone to more cardio and am losing weight. and muscle. but I can grow that back.

...

a lot of people say that weightlifting is better for all purposes than cardio, apart from some warm-up style cardio.

or high-intensity "cardio," which then kind of stops being cardio and is more like resistance training. (Sprinting, pylometric box jumping, etc.)

I don't know, just telling you what a lot of people write.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (PbpT7)

122 ace, your fasting in a closed environment 24 hours a day with no sunshine and no air.

You keep trying to fast your body when what you want to do is fast your brain.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (eBJ9w)

123 I've been doing 3 things that have helped me start losing weight again after stalling out for many years if I.F. I do one brief intense workout in a fasted state in the morning (burpees and pull-ups, very low volume) and then I'll do a milder workout (bike ride) on my lunch break before my first meal. I make sure my first meal is small and has no carbs. And as I've mentioned repeatedly black coffee in the morning! It keeps you truly fasted, brah!

Posted by: Max Power at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (q177U)

124 I'm about 4-5 pounds past where I should be, in my estimation.

Posted by: BethinPA

Pics?

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (LL1Be)

125 465lbs deadlift three reps. Yeah baby!

Posted by: Wr at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (O9JR8)

126 Even without those cute big glasses from the show

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (39g3+)

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Those were a thing back in the day. Had a gf who wore them.

The best part was when she took them off...

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (cfSRQ)

127 And no amount of fasting is going to get my bench up above 300 again. I'd likely need to lose close to 50 pounds to have visible abs. And if I did it your way, I'd absolutely lose strength in the process.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 07:59 PM (0PDHs)

128 i'm a little over 5'9"
Posted by: ace

So, you could still use Stephanpoulos' head as a drink coaster.

Posted by: Miklos, if he keeps still at June 20, 2019 07:59 PM (QzkSJ)

129 I wouldn't wish almond milk on anyone

Wut? The 30 calorie vanilla stuff is great. Just does it with some stevia and you think you are drinking a melted milkshake.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 07:59 PM (yQpMk)

130 Those were a thing back in the day. Had a gf who wore them.

Yeah my sister in law had them too, she was a tiny thing with huge glasses, made her look kinda like a bug. Really nice girl though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:59 PM (39g3+)

131 101 So are there fat bomb recipes in The Deplorable Gourmet?

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (aCNZ6)

You don't own it? INFIDEL! Stone the infidel!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 07:54 PM (fuK7c)
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Weasel agrees.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

132 I'm going camping next week, and I'm going to eat healthy while I'm there, the only exception being whatever beer and/or whiskey and Diet Coke I bring along.

I'll be there 5 days and the park has 32 miles of hiking trails, I'm thinking about trying to knock it all off.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 20, 2019 07:59 PM (sZzDP)

133 Having admitted I don't have The Deplorable Gourmet is this when you see if I float?

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:59 PM (aCNZ6)

134 I wonder what Ghandi's gainzzz blog would have been like.

Day 99 of fast. Haven't shit in a month. Starting to look more and more like Gollum. Why the hell did they name rice after me. I can't even remember where I put my robes. Man I have a headache. How are you guys doing?

( actually his longest fast was only 21 days IIRC)

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 20, 2019 08:00 PM (2DOZq)

135 Those were a thing back in the day. Had a gf who wore them.

The best part was when she took them off...
Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd

Was she a Goody Two Shoes?

Posted by: Miklos, Adam's the name, Ant's the game at June 20, 2019 08:00 PM (QzkSJ)

136 Lynda Carter seemed nice but she always comes across as a dimwit in interviews, subnormal IQ.

I sold her a $3,000 paperweight. That was my first "job".

There was nothing going on behind her eyes. She was either coked out or just extremely dim.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:00 PM (fuK7c)

137 Unsweetened vanilla almond milk plus a good quality protein powder makes an incredible low carb shake. BETTER tasting than milk, I kid you not. Optimum Nutrition chocolate isolate plus almond milk is like a fucking orgasm.

Posted by: Max Power at June 20, 2019 08:00 PM (q177U)

138 it is a common reaction, "oh my God, fasting. you may die if you don't get your vital carbs every 2 hours"

For me, OMAD meant less energy in the sense that I'm not working out as much as I used to, but if I do drag my ass to go for a run, I'm ok to do it with no food in belly for 16+ hours.

But I'm shrinking which is what I want.

muscles are fine, but defined chins are what the girls really like.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:01 PM (JziUy)

139 Posted by: If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor

Allahpudnut's an angry toddler today./i]

and fat.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 08:01 PM (yQpMk)

140 There are people that will never understand insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome. Just cutting calories will not help over the long term. Often you just have to keep cutting them lower and lower and it's not sustainable.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2019 08:01 PM (jUVms)

141 just in case.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 08:01 PM (yQpMk)

142 I agree with those who say, "When I was eating pizza and candy bars and drinking a ton of soda no one said a thing, I stop eating sugar and grains and everyone reacts like I'm crazy and self-destructing."

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2019 08:01 PM (jUVms)

143 I've added Romanian Deadlifts to my lifting routine, emphasizing volume over weights. Supposed to help with form. So far so good.

Posted by: Regular joe at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (6/uwW)

144 >>> I still don't get the caloric restriction thing. Why not just eat normally and hit it hard?
I'm 55, 6'4" and when I'm in race shape, 190 max.

were you ever fat?

One thing that happens in these conversations is that people who have never had any propensity to add weight start advising people who do have propensity to add weight about how to Just Have Weight-Shedding Genetics Like I Do.

I'm sure Michael Phelps has a whole regime of how to eat 12,000 calories and burn it all up in a day. Believe it or not, his advice would be wholly useless to me, despite the fact that he is a professional athlete.

This is very common in these threads. The advice, "Just never have gained weight when you were 10 years old, like I didn't," tends to be pretty popular advice.

For most people, the rule is: You can't outrun a bad diet. Some people have metabolism that just adjusts to excess calories and burns it up. Some people don't, and it's just pointless to offer the former group's diet/exercise regimes to the latter.

The government and medical establishment has been doing that for 50 years and it's resulted in exploding obesity and diabetes rates, not people becoming nearly pro-athlete-types in their physiques.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (PbpT7)

145 I'm just trying to be realistic for my body, ace. I'm not going to have a male model physique outside of a complete and permanent change to my life.

Meanwhile, if I just cut the carbs and get to the gym one more day a week or so, I can absolutely lose 10 lbs or so and do it while getting stronger.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (0PDHs)

146 lynda carter is a conservative gal, so be nice. and them titties tho

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (JziUy)

147 Need to up your game, pussy.
Posted by: RBG at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (Pu/Kw)

Well, I'll never be a rock climbing, cross fit instructing, triathlete Supreme Court justice making bad case law like yourself but I do what I can.

Swing by next tuesday after your workout and I will help you rub one out for old times sake.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (Z+IKu)

148 102 No one who is 5'11" and 161 lbs would be worrying about their weight.

It's got to be a few (or more) inches shorter than that.
Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 07:50 PM (oFcdC)

Ugh my son is 5'11" and weighs about 125 lbs. I think they gave me the wrong baby at the hospital. My husband & I are both short and fat.
Posted by: Jordan61

Adolescent can be that skinny, because their body shoots up like a beanstalk before the fat and muscle catch up. But adults? That'd be freakish skinny.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (oFcdC)

149 I'm on day 120 of my goatee grow-out.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

150 So, you could still use Stephanpoulos' head as a drink coaster.
Posted by: Miklos, if he keeps still at June 20, 2019 07:59 PM (QzkSJ)

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heh

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2019 08:03 PM (jUVms)

151 Congratulations, Ace -- very inspiring. Haven't had the will to go beyond 7-day fasts (five times now) ... maybe someday (hoping never to get overweight enough to need to as I'm usually only about 15 lbs overweight and never more than 25).

I always know when I'm in ketosis because (besides my wife being repelled by my breath), I get small bouts of sharts throughout the day. ;-)

Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at June 20, 2019 08:03 PM (WqPYg)

152 As you probably know, because I never shut up about it, I went 27 1/2 days on an almost pure fast, no calories. The "almost" part is there because after my doctor scared me and told me to go off the fast, due to mild dehydration, I started breaking it with some bone broth and olives on day 23.

Then I decided I was wrong to break it and continued it, though after that, I did have two cups of bone broth a day to make sure I got my electrolytes in. Two cups of bone broth together are 80 calories. I bent the fast a little, but I don't think I really broke it.

The only other calories I've had were from sugar-free Metamucil every two or three days --

Do kids take you to their elementary schools for Show and Tell day?

Dude ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:03 PM (weya0)

153 ace, your fasting in a closed environment 24 hours a day with no sunshine and no air.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (eBJ9w)

Just wondering, is there anyone out there who doesn't read 'fast' as 'fart' in this thread? What is that like, to be able to do that? Are you some kind of wizard?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 08:03 PM (t+qrx)

154 i get what you're saying, your priority is building
muscle. I wanted to get to a lower weight where I could then shift
priorities to that.

depends on your priorities. I wanted to lean out more than I wanted to build.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 07:56 PM (PbpT7)

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The two aren't mutually exclusive, though.

I find that as I lift and workout muscle more, I burn fat faster. Holding diet constant, I get skinnier.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)

155 I want to try the rock climbing gym I did a lot of work at but haven't been in that direction since it opened. But really want to at least once.
https://m.facebook.com/reachclimbingphilly/

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 08:04 PM (BbGew)

156 Incidentally, one point of a fasting regime (or LCHF regime, etc.) is to retrain/reboot one's metabolism so that it does better resemble the metabolism of an athlete or a non-weight gainer.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:04 PM (PbpT7)

157 No gainzz I'm a slug.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at June 20, 2019 08:04 PM (0OmEj)

158 >>>155 I want to try the rock climbing gym I did a lot of work at but haven't been in that direction since it opened. But really want to at least once.
https://m.facebook.com/reachclimbingphilly/

me too.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:04 PM (PbpT7)

159 Ace - have *you* been fat? 5'9' and 181 isn't fat. It may be by BMI or some bullshit but it isn't really.

I seem to remember you being somewhat close to 200 at some point in which case yeah, you have been.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:05 PM (0PDHs)

160 Adolescent can be that skinny, because their body shoots up like a beanstalk before the fat and muscle catch up. But adults? That'd be freakish skinny.
Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (oFcdC)

He's 26.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 08:05 PM (wvGlN)

161 I thought glucose of 100 was the definition of "normal".

Posted by: navybrat, another fine mess at June 20, 2019 08:05 PM (w7KSn)

162 110 I wouldn't wish almond milk on anyone
Posted by: Skip

Wha? Some almost milks are really good. Have you tried New Barn? They're widely available quite good. There are other chi-chi brands that are also quite tasty, but cost a bit more. I drink almond milk every day. Love it.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:05 PM (oFcdC)

163 While it's believed that some amount of short term fasting by certain individuals may have a positive diabetes impact, I have not seen a controlled scientific study proving it. Some have posited it may actually be the change in diet that ultimately is responsible.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 20, 2019 08:05 PM (VkWRL)

164 I'm on day 120 of my goatee grow-out.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

Nice.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 08:06 PM (t+qrx)

165 >>>ace, your fasting in a closed environment 24 hours a day with no sunshine and no air.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (eBJ9w)

no, on those really good days I was talking about I walked and then laid out in the sun for 40 minutes to an hour.

I think the sun and very light exercise helped a lot.

I need to do that again.

Oh, I also had epsom salt baths to get magnesium into me through the skin. I don't know if that contributed, but man, did i feel good those days. I mean, I felt really fantastic.

again, I need to just do this stuff routinely again.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:06 PM (PbpT7)

166 I will say that I just started lifting weights again - for the first time in some 3 decades, I think.

I lost 5 pounds on the first day just from the total embarrassment at the weights I'm doing. I am, to be charitable, pathetic. I used to rack 5 or 6 machines at the Nautilus. My bench workouts used to warm up with 245.

Now ... suffice it to say I would laugh at myself. I do. But, I'm going to work back to my old weights. Long way to go ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:06 PM (weya0)

167 a lot of people say that weightlifting is better for all purposes than cardio, apart from some warm-up style cardio.
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This is very common in these threads. The advice, "Just never have gained weight when you were 10 years old, like I didn't," tends to be pretty popular advice.

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I was thinking about the same thing recently. I think my diet when I was 10 or so was pure obsesiatic. Bad oils and bad sugars resulting from well minded parents who thought they were doing good and my basic childhood instinct to eat all the sugar.

muscle is fine, I gained all the muscle I could use for the past 10 years, being a scary slavic guy. you can always get bigger but there's no return on that investment. I'm in a cutting phase, in that I don't care if I lose muscle, just as long as I lose fat.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:06 PM (JziUy)

168 At some point, I wanted to eat not because I was actually hungry or felt
that I needed to eat, but because I was bored of not eating, if that
makes sense.

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True for me too. You realize how boring life can be without the ritual and social activities involved with eating -- especially if you like to eat out at restaurants with family and/or friends.

Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at June 20, 2019 08:07 PM (WqPYg)

169 >>>>161 I thought glucose of 100 was the definition of "normal".

under 100 is normal. I keep posting numbers at like 102 or even 106.

I'm told this is no big deal, BUT diabetes starts at 125, and I'd sure like to be down at a safer level like 90.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:07 PM (PbpT7)

170 164 I'm on day 120 of my goatee grow-out.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

Nice.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 08:06 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks, brah. It's kind of a cross between Colonel Sanders and ZZ Top.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

171 Yes, you can reverse the insulin resistant.

Doing keto I went from diabetic down to normal A1C1.

I regained some weight and have to do keto again, though.

Posted by: Harun at June 20, 2019 08:08 PM (UBBWX)

172 I'm on day 120 of my goatee grow-out.
Posted by: Weasel

Ah so.

Posted by: Miklos, with Fu Manchu project at June 20, 2019 08:09 PM (QzkSJ)

173 ace, you keep having a disconnect between brain and body.

"ace, I'm going to do this 40 day fast" Body "yeah , go ahead but those 40 year old fat cells have more to do with your head than your body".

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:09 PM (eBJ9w)

174 >>>I was thinking about the same thing recently. I think my diet when I was 10 or so was pure obsesiatic. Bad oils and bad sugars resulting from well minded parents who thought they were doing good and my basic childhood instinct to eat all the sugar.

i used to overeat because those dumb "nutrition" advice things the government bombarded us with said you needed energy to be athletic and build muscle, so I ate lots of carbs for a period, and gained weight.

I would also get a big gulp whenever I rode my bike. I thought I was exercising on the bike, so I'd "burn all that energy up."

Spoiler: that was a lie. I did not "burn it all up." I burned up a fraction of it and added the rest as fat.

I was a little kid, I didn't know any better. I was doing what hte government told me.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:09 PM (PbpT7)

175 There was nothing going on behind her eyes. She was either coked out or just extremely dim.

Kinda sad really. All she had going for her was a pretty face and huge boobs.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 08:09 PM (39g3+)

176 I've lost 5 pounds in the last few weeks. I've been more scrupulous about eating low carb, started lifting again (since my shoulder injury), and jogging longer distances. Never really fasted though, except on Ash Wednesdays and Good Fridays. Sounds tough.

Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at June 20, 2019 08:09 PM (o38N1)

177 I will overshare about the mind-body connection. I've been mostly in shape most of my life. By mostly I mean really fucking cut except for when I slack off for a few months but then I can get back there in a couple of months.

Well, I gave up. Just got depressed about shit and gave over a year and half to sloth and excessive drinking. The result is +25 pounds. They're not even hefty bulky pounds spread all over my torso, they're 25 pounds of under the tits over the beltline straight out gut fat. Not even love handles. Just a pregnancy sort of look.

So I have a Major Life Change coming up, a move, a new career. I am intending to channel some of this back into gainzz. I'm really quite hot when I'm not carrying a pregnancy.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:09 PM (fuK7c)

178 I keep posting numbers at like 102 or even 106.

You may have always been at 102 or so as a fasting level. Have you tested much lower?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 08:10 PM (yQpMk)

179 160 Adolescent can be that skinny, because their body shoots up like a beanstalk before the fat and muscle catch up. But adults? That'd be freakish skinny.
Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (oFcdC)

He's 26.
Posted by: Jordan61

Damn. I recommend a diet of donuts, pizza, beer and potato chips. That'll get him in shape.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:10 PM (oFcdC)

180 I like to ride my bike but that only has been a few times. I have done at least 3 days a week at times.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 08:10 PM (BbGew)

181 I mean, the ROI on being stronger is lifting more. It's a super easy cycle. Lift heavy stuff -> get stronk -> lift heavier stuff -> get stronker etc.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:11 PM (0PDHs)

182 My goatee has to be past 90 days now trim free. 4 inches maybe. I have not been without it in over 10 years.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at June 20, 2019 08:11 PM (0OmEj)

183 Just wondering, is there anyone out there who doesn't read 'fast' as 'fart' in this thread?

Does smelling a fart = breaking a fast? If so I just broke enough wind to feed a north korean family for a day, if they got wind of it.

Posted by: adobe juan "windy" kenobe at June 20, 2019 08:11 PM (p3cV1)

184 Thanks, brah. It's kind of a cross between Colonel Sanders and ZZ Top.
Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

What does WeaselWoman say about it?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 08:11 PM (t+qrx)

185 i used to overeat because those dumb "nutrition" advice things the government bombarded us with said you needed energy to be athletic and build muscle,

Where is Kaboom on the Food Pyramid?

Posted by: Miklos, guessing somebody broke some rules at June 20, 2019 08:11 PM (QzkSJ)

186 were you ever fat?

For most people, the rule is: You can't outrun a bad diet. Some
people have metabolism that just adjusts to excess calories and burns it
up. Some people don't, and it's just pointless to offer the former
group's diet/exercise regimes to the latter.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:02 PM (PbpT7)

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I was pudgy as a kid, skinny as a college student, started putting on weight when I didn't have to walk to class.

Then I joined Da Army Guard, and didn't lose a single pound. Not a one.

But I did move the weight around, and I learned how to do sustained workouts. Limited fasting has benefits - I've been doing it as I get older, but I'm mostly talking about skipping a meal here or there while being active.

Because active is really what matters. Starving yourself doesn't make you healthy, it just makes you thin.

A good level of activity - spread throughout the day - pays dividends.

And before you attack my genetics, I come from a line of stocky folks. I hate running, so I do other stuff.

Not eating for 20 days strikes me as dangerous.

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 08:11 PM (cfSRQ)

187 Adolescent can be that skinny, because their body shoots up like a beanstalk before the fat and muscle catch up.

Yeah I was like 6' and 130 pounds for 10 years, then around age 27 I started to put on real bulk, muscle for once. Instead of looking like a skeleton I looked more normal. Now I have a bit of a paunch at 53 because I can't really exercise, so my belly is slack.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 08:11 PM (39g3+)

188 My goatee has to be past 90 days now trim free. 4 inches maybe. I have not been without it in over 10 years.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable.

Heh

Posted by: Vladimir Lenin at June 20, 2019 08:12 PM (QzkSJ)

189 calorie restriction = only known anti aging therapy

Posted by: azoo at June 20, 2019 08:12 PM (wg7wr)

190 Where is Kaboom on the Food Pyramid?

It's foundational.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 08:12 PM (yQpMk)

191 Any guy who has body image issues should pull up the pic of Tom Brady's dad body. The dude has a personal chef and strict diet and still has less muscle definition than his wife.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation man at June 20, 2019 08:13 PM (2DOZq)

192 Bandersnatch, Perfect. Your body cannot do what your brain won't help you with.

Ace keeps trying to make this about his body while leaving a deeper part of his brain out.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:13 PM (eBJ9w)

193 calorie restriction = only known anti aging therapy

Drinking the blood of my enemies has certainly failed me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 08:13 PM (yQpMk)

194 Oh, I also had epsom salt baths to get magnesium into me through the skin. I don't know if that contributed, but man, did i feel good those days. I mean, I felt really fantastic.
Posted by: ace

I agree about epsom salt baths. I knew nothing about them -- just some old wives' tale I thought -- until a couple years ago when I read about how they work. So I bought a bag and took an epsom salt bath -- and it made me feel better! More relaxed, yet more able to work. Something something magnesium something skin something.

Anyway, I'll take an epsom salt bath every now and then, and I think they really add to the ol' health thing. Seriously. Also cleared up a minor skin condition on my ankle.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:13 PM (oFcdC)

195 Oh, I also had epsom salt baths to get magnesium into me through the skin. I don't know if that contributed, but man, did i feel good those days. I mean, I felt really fantastic.

again, I need to just do this stuff routinely again.
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:06 PM (PbpT7)

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Just saw some health personality talk about epsom baths. Instead of a cup use the whole bag (it's cheap) and when you get out of the tub, if possible, don't rub your skin to dry off. Air dry by laying on a towel on the bed.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2019 08:14 PM (jUVms)

196 were you ever fat?
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I guess. I was skinny all through HS; ran track/threw the discus. Then the Army, got up around 200lbs. I raced road bikes in college, and got dangerously thin. Started lifting hard to do The Highland Games, and shot up to 250+, with a 280 bench. I got sick of carrying that around and started doing triathlon, then doing ultras. Now I'm back around 195-200 lazy; I could get that down pretty fast though.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 20, 2019 08:14 PM (ty7RM)

197 I've been doing 3 things that have helped me start losing weight again after stalling out for many years if I.F. I do one brief intense workout in a fasted state in the morning (burpees and pull-ups, very low volume) and then I'll do a milder workout (bike ride) on my lunch break before my first meal. I make sure my first meal is small and has no carbs. And as I've mentioned repeatedly black coffee in the morning! It keeps you truly fasted, brah!
Posted by: Max Power at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (q177U)

Amen to coffee! I've lost over 60 pounds over the last year. I started working out at a gym again a year ago. For about 3 months, I worked out, but kept my diet the same. I lost about 5 or 6 pounds. Then I decided to cut back to eating only twice a day, since I was never a breakfast person. Cut out most of the carbs, except occasional pasta (wife is Italian) and potatoes, plus a desert cake of 250 calories post dinner. My first meal is at 1 PM then again at 6 or 7. Then nothing until the next day at 1PM. Maybe some pickles before bed. I work out every other day for 2 hours, and do yoga on off days. Coffee really helps suppress my appetite until 1 PM. Being retired makes establishing a routine easier, and a routine is important for weight loss. I used to do a lot of stress eating, but now, not much stress. I'm 6'2" and down to 210 lbs. My goal is 205, then just remain stable.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 20, 2019 08:14 PM (m79Dg)

198 a 2017 harvard study found that intermittent fasting can slow aging and increase overall health. on a mitochondrial level, as well.

search: "harvard study fasting"

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 20, 2019 08:14 PM (Pg+x7)

199 FWIW, the math works: (28 days x 2000 cal/day*) / 3500 cal/pound = 16 pounds.

* = 2000/day is your calorie deficit, given you ate zero when they say you should be eating 2000.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 20, 2019 08:14 PM (3JQ/p)

200 >>>189 calorie restriction = only known anti aging therapy

well, yes, this too, although I don't know if "calorie restriction" is a very good way to do it.

this is part of why I fast. It gives you a big bang for the buck as far as anti-aging effects and it's actually less painful than calorie restriction.

(That is, it's easier to eat zero food than say cut your calories by half.)

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:15 PM (PbpT7)

201 calorie restriction = only known anti aging therapy

Unborn fetuses are very low-cal.

Posted by: RBG at June 20, 2019 08:15 PM (LL1Be)

202 Lost almost 40 lbs since April 1st. 215 down to 177ish and 13% body fat. My bloodwork came back perfect from fasting/Carnivore/Keto the last 2.5 years. Doctor says I need to take in more than the 240 grams of protein a day I'm consuming. Getting stronger by the day. Weighted Chins, Pulls, and dips are next leve shit and gainzzz go through the roof (1 to 2 reps each to overload). Work around Leg day, push day, and pull day. High intensity cardio daily. Bulding around Squats, Deadlifts, Bench, Standing overhead press, barbell rows, weighted pulls and weighted chins. I haven't been this solid since senior year of High school. Doctor wants me at 185-190 10% body fat in a year.

Feels amazing. Thanks ace for leading the fasting and nutrition threads. Awesome work on the fast by the way.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 08:15 PM (yv6t0)

203 126 Even without those cute big glasses from the show

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:52 PM (39g3+)

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Those were a thing back in the day. Had a gf who wore them.

The best part was when she took them off...

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 07:58 PM (cfSRQ)

You know who else wore big glasses?

No. You don't want to know. Trust me.

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 08:15 PM (sdi6R)

204 182 My goatee has to be past 90 days now trim free. 4 inches maybe. I have not been without it in over 10 years.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at June 20, 2019 08:11 PM (0OmEj)
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I'm finding I have to spend several minutes in the morning de-afro-ing it. I'm not trimming it length-wise but trying to keep it straight and neat and un-bushy. The CEO at work commented on it the other day and I'm not quite sure how to read those tea leaves.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (6TInh)

205 I like a goatee like S L Jackson in Jackie Brown.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (Jj+59)

206 Just saw some health personality talk about epsom baths. Instead of a cup use the whole bag (it's cheap) and when you get out of the tub, if possible, don't rub your skin to dry off. Air dry by laying on a towel on the bed.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2019 08:14 PM (jUVms)

Or have the high priests and acolytes ceremonially repack the ol' abdominal cavity with natron and aromatic resins every week.

Posted by: RBG at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (t+qrx)

207 you lost 20 pounds. ok.

did get around at the same level? from your bed to the computer? exercise?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (Pg+x7)

208 >>>I agree about epsom salt baths. I knew nothing about them -- just some old wives' tale I thought -- until a couple years ago when I read about how they work. So I bought a bag and took an epsom salt bath -- and it made me feel better! More relaxed, yet more able to work. Something something magnesium something skin something.

the trick is that your body actually can ingest more magnesium through the skin than through the alimenatary canal. Or so I've read.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (PbpT7)

209 I mean if i was married to a Brazilian supermodel and had 6 Super Bowl rings I think I'd probably slack on my fitness a bit.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (0PDHs)

210 ... or you don't exercise anyways.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (Pg+x7)

211 a 2017 harvard study found that intermittent fasting can slow aging and increase overall health. on a mitochondrial level, as well.

search: "harvard study fasting"
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 20, 2019 08:14 PM (Pg+x7)

Did they give extra points to minorities and sexual deviants?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (m79Dg)

212 harvard study found that intermittent fasting can slow aging and increase overall health. on a mitochondrial level, as well.

Iss gut Harvard support our Healthy No Eating Program.

Posted by: Certain Nazis and/or Big Mike O at June 20, 2019 08:17 PM (QzkSJ)

213 Braided with some beads would surely impress even the crustiest CEO.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 20, 2019 08:17 PM (Jj+59)

214 209 I mean if i was married to a Brazilian supermodel and had 6 Super Bowl rings I think I'd probably slack on my fitness a bit.
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (0PDHs)

Wow, I missed that part of Ace's backstory.

Posted by: Splunge at June 20, 2019 08:17 PM (ed8K1)

215 calorie restriction = only known anti aging therapy

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right, so my thinking is diet is more important than exercise, especially if you already aren't skinny but more of big dude. Plus, you don't want to eat all the time for the anti-aging efforts.

so, sure, Chris Hemsworth works out 4 hours a day and has 7 meals and 5400 calories. Or actually, a better example is the Rock and his 10,000 calorie days. that's aged the fuck out of him.

so, I don't care if low calorie OMAD makes me lazier, I'm trying to keep the cals low.

hopefully it will work.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:17 PM (JziUy)

216 Speaking of exercise, it's time for my evening walk. Later!

Posted by: Under-sellin Author A.H. Lloyd - buy my books! at June 20, 2019 08:17 PM (cfSRQ)

217 Braided with some beads would surely impress even the crustiest CEO.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 20, 2019 08:17 PM (Jj+59)

Maybe some burning slow match braided into it.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 08:18 PM (t+qrx)

218 @146 "Lynda Carter is a conservative gal"...

Not even close- big time lib, campaigned with Hillary, and still With Her.

Posted by: If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor at June 20, 2019 08:18 PM (1mmcA)

219 harvard study found that intermittent fasting can slow aging and increase overall health. on a mitochondrial level, as well.

And they found it reduces greenhouse gases, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:18 PM (weya0)

220 >>>
did get around at the same level? from your bed to the computer? exercise?

My usual life is very, very sedentary, except for the exercise I do, which I did not do during the fast.

"exercise" was limited to just housework, projects, etc. Puttering around stuff, just expending nervous energy productively, not actual exercise.

as i've mentioned, i've exercised on short fasts and sometimes on long fasts. I did not really like exercising at high intensity on long fasts, and I also think it might be counterproductive, because if you increase your demand for glucose the body can only get that from bodily protein.

which doesn't always mean muscle, but muscle is definitely on the menu.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:18 PM (PbpT7)

221 I cannot imagine a 27 day fast. I managed to go 36 hours, once, and while it was not constant torment, it didn't feel like something I wanted to embrace. I know I probably should, but the 8 hour eating window, constricted to 6 on good days, seems more my speed.

Posted by: Splunge at June 20, 2019 08:18 PM (ed8K1)

222 You all want to know my weight loss secret?

Posted by: Bob Kraft at June 20, 2019 08:19 PM (Jj+59)

223 mean if i was married to a Brazilian supermodel and had 6 Super Bowl rings I think I'd probably slack on my fitness a bit.
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:16 PM (0PDHs)

The point is he didn't. Some people just don't have the genes .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation man at June 20, 2019 08:19 PM (2DOZq)

224 Now ... suffice it to say I would laugh at myself. I do. But, I'm going to work back to my old weights. Long way to go ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:06 PM (weya0)

Great POP! Keep it up and don't quit.

Enjoy the ride......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 08:19 PM (Z+IKu)

225 Ace

IIANM, the real issue with you is stubborn belly fat. That is likely under genetic control. It ensures you can survive famines. Which you can. And you know that the belly fat is trying to run your life for it, rather than the other way around.

I have a similar genetic heritage from my mother. I want to suggest something that gave me a flat belly, a hot girlfriend named Yvette, and another girlfriend (no, I'm not proud of that; I was an idiot). This was after being on my first ship, where running was difficult and food was fuel.

I started a sprint - interval workout, every week walking less and running more. I eventually ramped up to jogging 10 K every other day. Flat belly, very fit, and Yvette.

If that is too much, walking for an hour to an hour and a half will do the trick, when your knees want relief. Just walk at a brisk pace.

You need to walk for over 40 minutes straight to start the body processing your body fat.

JMHO. And remember, there is a lot unknown about autophagy, despite that 2016 Noble Prize. It has been implicated in less and more cancer. Lots of science still to do here.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2019 08:19 PM (u82oZ)

226 Where is Kaboom on the Food Pyramid?

It's foundational.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

I think it's the All-Seeing Eye at the top.

Posted by: Miklos, 34th Degree Rosicrucian Mason at June 20, 2019 08:19 PM (QzkSJ)

227 Weasel , your good until Lady Weasel says Enough!

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:19 PM (eBJ9w)

228 a better example is the Rock and his 10,000 calorie days. that's aged the fuck out of him.

Are you kidding? He looks younger today than he did in high school. The dude is almost fifty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 08:20 PM (39g3+)

229 Remain calm and Florida on.

Posted by: Bob Kraft at June 20, 2019 08:20 PM (Jj+59)

230 Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:17 PM (JziUy)

You think both of them looked like they've aged badly?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation man at June 20, 2019 08:20 PM (2DOZq)

231 Lynda Carter seemed nice but she always comes across as a dimwit in interviews, subnormal IQ.

I sold her a $3,000 paperweight. That was my first "job".

There was nothing going on behind her eyes. She was either coked out or just extremely dim.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:00 PM (fuK7c)

She was an alcoholic for a number of years. I think after Wonder Woman ended she really hit the bottle. She's also a total libtard which would explain the brainless look. It's a pity because she's a beautiful woman

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 20, 2019 08:20 PM (o3WRR)

232 Apparently the "Democrat Primary Diet" involves cannibalism.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 08:21 PM (LL1Be)

233 You all want to know my weight loss secret?
Posted by: Bob Kraft

Oh, man

Posted by: 10 CC and/or The Lovin' Spoonful at June 20, 2019 08:21 PM (QzkSJ)

234 Ive also started smoking more cigars made in Nicaragua.

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:21 PM (6TInh)

235 Maybe some burning slow match braided into it./i]

"Arrr, tis the finest way to impress the locals"
--Edward Teach

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 08:21 PM (39g3+)

236 Looking at pictures of celebs in the Daily Mail, I'm pretty sure that aging is caused by plastic surgery.

Posted by: Splunge at June 20, 2019 08:21 PM (ed8K1)

237 >>>right, so my thinking is diet is more important than exercise, especially if you already aren't skinny but more of big dude. Plus

as far as weight maintenance, diet is about 10x more important than exercise.

although exercise is important in other ways.

People don't realize how little MARGINAL extra calories they expend when they exercise. Your body is already burning at least, say 1600 calories per day just to keep the lights on -- to keep your brain working, to keep your body at 98.6, etc.

Jogging a mile burns up like 200 calories, or two pieces of white bread.

It's not that exercise isn't great; it is. But... well, you just can't outrun a bad diet.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:21 PM (PbpT7)

238 I mean he had the genetics to be the best QB ever, that kinda makes up for dad bod genes. "Be glad you're not Tom Brady" doesnt seem like great advice.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:21 PM (0PDHs)

239 right, so my thinking is diet is more important than exercise,

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:17 PM (JziUy)

Never. Within reasonable limits, nothing is as important as exercise for the body. Not to my thinking, at least.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:21 PM (weya0)

240 Any guy who has body image issues should pull up the pic of Tom Brady's dad body. The dude has a personal chef and strict diet and still has less muscle definition than his wife.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation man at June 20, 2019 08:13 PM (2DOZq)

Feminists like to complain about unrealistic body image issues in women, but men deal with the same shit. The model on the magazine cover, or the celebrity with the "candid" beach shot? Juice, dehydration, severe calorie restriction and hours and hours of daily workouts.

Honestly, look at the guys from twenty to forty years ago. Less six-pack abs and bicep veins, but they look healthier.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 20, 2019 08:22 PM (SgjGX)

241 61 I find that when I eat high fat/low carb I really don't want to eat very often. I stay sated for a long time.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:45 PM (aCNZ6)

I find that I still WANT to eat everything in sight.

Posted by: April at June 20, 2019 08:22 PM (OX9vb)

242 I learned how to say 'Huba Huba' in Cantonese.

Posted by: Bob Kraft at June 20, 2019 08:22 PM (Jj+59)

243 195
Oh, I also had epsom salt baths to get magnesium into me through the
skin. I don't know if that contributed, but man, did i feel good those
days. I mean, I felt really fantastic.

I tried it once and didn't care for the feeling of it pulling crap out through my skin. My ma got me started using it to pull poison out of infected cuts I got a lot at a shitty job I had. Worked great for that but not digging the bath.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 08:22 PM (K22Va)

244
227 Weasel , your good until Lady Weasel says Enough!
Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:19 PM (eBJ9w)
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I'm not exactly sure what she thinks - guess she figures anything that covers my face is an improvement!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:23 PM (6TInh)

245 Be glad you're not Justin Verlander or you'd be burdened with a world series ring, MVP and Cy Young wins, and Kate Upton to go home to as a wife. What a living hell

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 08:23 PM (39g3+)

246 220:

thank you for the review of your exercise during fasting.

i was interested in that aspect.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 20, 2019 08:23 PM (Pg+x7)

247 Ace,
What are you using to test your ketones? I've been using the urine strips but I understand that they don't really tell you what level of ketones your body is using just that they are present in your urine. I've been doing keto for almost 4 months but the weight isn't falling off. Only about 12 lbs total. Of course, I also had that miscarriage and my hormones were all over the place. My hair is in a falling out stage like after having a baby.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 20, 2019 08:23 PM (UUBmN)

248 Ive also started smoking more cigars made in Nicaragua.
Posted by: Weasel

Contra that, amigo.

Posted by: Miklos with a buncha Honduran Churchills at June 20, 2019 08:23 PM (QzkSJ)

249 Yeah, The Rock still looks great.

There are plenty of guys who had Adonis physiques in their 20s and look awful now but that's a combination of steroids, other drugs, alcohol and just giving up on fitness. Theres a ton of pro wrestlers who fit that mold. But The Rock isn't one of them.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:23 PM (0PDHs)

250 >>>I started a sprint - interval workout, every week walking less and running more. I eventually ramped up to jogging 10 K every other day. Flat belly, very fit, and Yvette.

Thanks, but most people I read say to avoid cardio, as cardio (especially for hour plus long sessions) actually reduces testosterone, and testosterone itself is a leaning hormone.

so less testosterone, more fat.

My preference is for high intensity stuff for 45 minutes or so.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:23 PM (PbpT7)

251 How can you people be talking about weight loss when there's a war to start? NEO CON!1!!!1

Posted by: Jake Tapper at June 20, 2019 08:24 PM (Jj+59)

252 I got a really badly infected cut once, so bad it was stinking from rot, and my dad had me take an epsom salt bath, a long one with the hand soaking in the water.

It was amazing, not only did it clean up the infection but I felt better overall. I love baths, they just don't make bath tubs for guys my height. I end up like a grasshopper in a bottlecap.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 08:24 PM (39g3+)

253 ace, exercise is not about weight loss it is about brain function.

You cannot ignore your brain for your body.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:24 PM (eBJ9w)

254 It is not normal to have washboard abs, ribs that stick out, or skin so tight that you can see vascularity. In the old days - that's what was called "starving to death".

It is also not normal to be so damned fat you can't see your own dick.

I'm a big fan of Functional Strength. Saw it in the Army - the College Football guys were useless after about the second hour in the field. They are dragsters - but boy, could they ever smoke a PT Test. I just never got the feeling that the Soviets would lay down and surrender when faced with PT Test scores. The farm boys, however, could do the job all day ... even though they had a little bit more fat, didn't run as fast, or push out five more. Fat is a reserve - a little bit is a good thing.

I don't get practicing starving for twenty-one days. I buy a lot of shit, and hone my skills regularly, to make sure I don't have to.

When times get hard, the Cross-Fitters will die first. I'm convinced of it.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 08:24 PM (DDMLG)

255 Well, I gave up. Just got depressed about shit and gave over a year and half to sloth and excessive drinking. The result is +25 pounds. They're not even hefty bulky pounds spread all over my torso, they're 25 pounds of under the tits over the beltline straight out gut fat. Not even love handles. Just a pregnancy sort of look.

So I have a Major Life Change coming up, a move, a new career. I am intending to channel some of this back into gainzz. I'm really quite hot when I'm not carrying a pregnancy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:09 PM (fuK7c)

That happened to me about six years ago and I never really recovered. Still got the weight, although I crawled out of my hole enough to hit the gym regularly.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 20, 2019 08:24 PM (SgjGX)

256 You all want to know my weight loss secret?
Posted by: Bob Kraft at June 20, 2019 08:19 PM (Jj+59)

Ummmmm.......Yes.

Is it in your video?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 08:25 PM (Z+IKu)

257 I should say that they DO make bathtubs my height, they just don't install them in homes I have lived in.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 08:25 PM (39g3+)

258 Heh, me too. Especially when I have PMS.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 08:25 PM (wvGlN)

259 256 You all want to know my weight loss secret?
Posted by: Bob Kraft at June 20, 2019 08:19 PM (Jj+59)

Ummmmm.......Yes.

Is it in your video?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 08:25 PM (Z+IKu)
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Is it a weird trick that doctors don't want us to know about?

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:26 PM (6TInh)

260
It is also not normal to be so damned fat you can't see your own dick.

I'm a big fan of Functional Strength. Saw it in the Army - the College Football guys were useless after about the second hour in the field. They are dragsters - but boy, could they ever smoke a PT Test. I just never got the feeling that the Soviets would lay down and surrender when faced with PT Test scores. The farm boys, however, could do the job all day ... even though they had a little bit more fat, didn't run as fast, or push out five more. Fat is a reserve - a little bit is a good thing.

I don't get practicing starving for twenty-one days. I buy a lot of shit, and hone my skills regularly, to make sure I don't have to.

When times get hard, the Cross-Fitters will die first. I'm convinced of it.
Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 08:24 PM (DDMLG)

The skinny guy who aced the PT test is less useful than the big guy who can haul a 240 up the side of a mountain and still fight.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 20, 2019 08:26 PM (SgjGX)

261 The only gainz I've made have been 20 pounds of pure fat right around my mid-section.

Gotta start hitting the heavy bag.

Posted by: Radical Centrist at June 20, 2019 08:26 PM (KE4PJ)

262 My preference is for high intensity stuff for 45 minutes or so.

Yes

Posted by: SugarMamas.org (and we mean the org) at June 20, 2019 08:27 PM (QzkSJ)

263 >>>What are you using to test your ketones? I've been using the urine strips but I understand that they don't really tell you what level of ketones your body is using just that they are present in your urine.

i use the strips, but I also use Keto Mojo, a little gadget where you lance your fingertip and put blood on a strip. I think it's like $100, and hten the strips you have to buy are surprisingly expensive.

I would just do the strips.

I don't know what to tell you about your stall -- I get those too, and I don't know how to get out of them. Not to recommend it, but that's why I fast, to break stalls.

One thing about keto is that you shouldn't have too many calories. It's not an all-you-can-eat thing. If you have enough calories, those will stop weight loss.

I guess I'd suggest Intermittent fasting/Time Restricted eating? Try that. That's a simple and pretty doable addition to keto.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:27 PM (PbpT7)

264 I went out and dug a 36" deep 70' trench for a 600 amp electrical service for a newly installed piece of industrial equipment. Lost 7 pounds off of my fat head. Feels fairly good when you're a 29 year old fart and can choose to not do whatever you like at your own pace and expense.

Posted by: Fritz at June 20, 2019 08:27 PM (kLDv+)

265 Well again it depends what you want. It seems like ace doesn't really want functional strength, he wants a six pack, both because it's a visible manifestation of hard work paying off and because chicks like them.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:27 PM (0PDHs)

266 Inconveniet Truths Amen and so true.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:28 PM (eBJ9w)

267 Shit, that was supposed to have the quote from April @241

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 08:28 PM (wvGlN)

268 I doubt I ever went 16 hours without food, even that maybe before a medical test.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2019 08:28 PM (BbGew)

269 full disclosure:

i've been slim my whole life and recently looked down and - omg - there was a pot belly.

like the seinfeld bit, i wore a 32 waist jeans for years, has gone up to 34 and now i couldn't fit in those. uhhh. no.

i've been fasting 1 day on/1 day off abnd i think it's having an effect. i don't plan to go 5 days or anything. of course, you never know...

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (Pg+x7)

270 Currently I'm just trying not to let depression cut into my workout schedule. So far so good. And no stress eating.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (0PDHs)

271 225 Ace

IIANM, the real issue with you is stubborn belly fat. That is likely under genetic control. It ensures you can survive famines. Which you can. And you know that the belly fat is trying to run your life for it, rather than the other way around.

I have a similar genetic heritage from my mother.

Posted by: NaCly Dog

This.

The truth is, Ace, that there really is a "fat gene" (to put it in simplified terms) that developed in populations that underwent periodic famines. That who had the genetic ability to store fat ahead of time survived the famines and passed on the genes to the descendants. Those who were consistently slender under normal periods all perished during the famines, so did not pass on their slender genes.

The end result after hundreds/thousands of years of this are entire sectors of the population who inherited this "life-saving" propensity to put on belly fat under normal dietary conditions.

There's really nothing one can do about it -- it's a natural body-shape that's built in to you genes.

You can fight it with fast and get back to society's expected "normal," but it will always be a struggle to maintain that shape (i.e. having no belly fat).

yes, it's "not fair" that some people are naturally thin and other are naturally chubby, but life wasn't meant to be fair.

Anyway, I wouldn't stress about it if I were you. Probably 35%-50% of the US population has the same genetic disposition.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (oFcdC)

272 >>>253 ace, exercise is not about weight loss it is about brain function.

i kept saying exercise has other great benefits. I mean, I said it like three or four tines.

And it can help in weight maintenance... but at the level of like 9% of what a proper diet would do.

And that assumes a fairly robust amount of exercise, not the casual level most people do.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (PbpT7)

273 It seems like ace doesn't really want functional strength, he wants a six pack, both because it's a visible manifestation of hard work paying off and because chicks like them.

Pshaw. He's on a Vision Quest. He's seeking enlightenment and hiding it behind a lot of internet biochemistry.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (fuK7c)

274 Thanks, but most people I read say to avoid cardio, as cardio (especially for hour plus long sessions) actually reduces testosterone, and testosterone itself is a leaning hormone.
so less testosterone, more fat.
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I do not believe this. Sounds like the spin of someone selling the new "it" exercise program.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (ty7RM)

275
Jan Smithers from WKRP in the dunk tank

https://youtu.be/BJ9yqEMYx20

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 20, 2019 07:46 PM (39g3+)

One of the funniest things SCTV ever did was their spoof of Battle of the Network Stars. Battle of the PBS Stars. The Mr. Rogers (Martin Short) vs. Julia Child (John Candy) boxing match was hysterical

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (o3WRR)

276 I noticed a change 2 winters ago and have a hell of a time losing weight now. Used to be able to lose weight at will.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (K22Va)

277 That who had = Those who had

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:30 PM (oFcdC)

278 I wonder why Golden Corral doesn't advertise more here.

Posted by: Miklosian Marketing SA de CV at June 20, 2019 08:30 PM (QzkSJ)

279 Ace,
What are you using to test your ketones? I've been using the urine strips but I understand that they don't really tell you what level of ketones your body is using just that they are present in your urine. I've been doing keto for almost 4 months but the weight isn't falling off. Only about 12 lbs total. Of course, I also had that miscarriage and my hormones were all over the place. My hair is in a falling out stage like after having a baby.
Posted by: lin-duh at June 20, 2019 08:23 PM (UUBmN)

I tried using the strips but I think they only work in the initial stages because once your body is in ketosis you hopefully are not peeing out a lot of ketones since your body is using them efficiently for energy. I think there's a blood test you can do at home, maybe finger prick type, that is much more accurate for the long term.
I didn't know about your miscarriage and I am very sorry.

Posted by: LASue at June 20, 2019 08:30 PM (wMHPW)

280 I've been doing keto for almost 4 months but the weight isn't falling off. Only about 12 lbs total.

That's actually not too bad, but your hair shouldn't be falling out. How much protein are you eating? Do you know your macro split and grams? What does a typical day of eating look like?

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 08:31 PM (nRWPy)

281 It's not a REAL vision quest without peyote.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:31 PM (0PDHs)

282 The CrossFitters I see who are consistent and have discipline are solid, explosive looking, healthy looking. Far from skinny unless they are just starting out in year 1.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 08:31 PM (yv6t0)

283 >>>There's really nothing one can do about it -- it's a natural body-shape that's built in to you genes.

well, people aren't certain of that, and some people have gone from fat to thin, and stayed there.

There is a function called epigenics -- not all of your genes are expressed. Some turn on and turn off according to factors external to the gene.

your genes are forever but their expression is (or may be) contingent.

also: Insulin. it's huge.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:31 PM (PbpT7)

284

Nutrition and exercise are a worse attractor of fanatical religious cult adherents than AGW.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 08:32 PM (LL1Be)

285 I wonder why Golden Corral doesn't advertise more here.
Posted by: Miklosian Marketing SA de CV at June 20, 2019 08:30 PM (QzkSJ)

We don't need those jerks around here anyway.

Posted by: hogmartin, banned by name from the chocolate fountain at June 20, 2019 08:32 PM (t+qrx)

286 there really is a "fat gene" (to put it in simplified terms) that developed in populations that underwent periodic famines. That who had the genetic ability to store fat ahead of time survived the famines

Look at Mexican and Central American indigenos and say that again.

Posted by: Miklos, taller than he is wide at June 20, 2019 08:33 PM (QzkSJ)

287 Yep, insulin response is the big secret.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 08:33 PM (nRWPy)

288 >>>I tried using the strips but I think they only work in the initial stages because once your body is in ketosis you hopefully are not peeing out a lot of ketones since your body is using them efficiently for energy.

well I think they work for a while, not just for a few weeks, but like for at least months or maybe years.

but yeah, what you say is true, when your body starts burning ketones efficiently there is less of them in the urine.

there's another gadget that you blow into that measures acetone in your breath (acetone being another form of ketone) and that does NOT fall as you become keto-adapted, but I don't know how well it works.

also, it's at least 100 bucks.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:33 PM (PbpT7)

289 Nutrition and exercise are a worse attractor of fanatical religious cult adherents than AGW.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 08:32 PM (LL1Be)

Vitamins and psychotherapy (both proven ineffective and essentially useless, yet ridiculously expensive) are far worse.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:33 PM (weya0)

290 Look ace if this is just to get chicks drop the keto and start a NXIUM cult. There's a market demand for it!

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:34 PM (0PDHs)

291 Rather than epsom salt baths, why not just take ZMA?

Posted by: Regular joe at June 20, 2019 08:34 PM (6/uwW)

292 another more recent harvard study was on leptin's and starvation and weight loose. there actually is something called "the leptin diet". some claim it's the way to weight loose.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 20, 2019 08:34 PM (Pg+x7)

293 Broseidon Czar of the Brocea

All of us have 6-pac abs. Most have some laundry on top of them.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2019 08:34 PM (u82oZ)

294 Hi there.

I've seen you talk about your fasts before. I made a few comments too. Don't remember what exactly I said, but they would have been curious and positive.

I don't know if you remember them though. No big deal.

I think you did an awesome thing here.

I did a 10 day fast, a 15 day fast, two 40 day fasts, and a hundred day fast.

Not trying to toot my horn here...just to let you know that I really know and respect what you did here.

Holler at me if you have any questions or comments.

Posted by: Taco Shack at June 20, 2019 08:35 PM (C+qQ0)

295 I love the GAINZZ threads. I am interested in what other people do and their results.

But nutritionist totalitarians are the absolute worst.

Fast , purge, go on an all ganja diet I don't give a shit.
But do not try to convert me to your latest mania.
Not directed at anyone, just in general.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 08:35 PM (LL1Be)

296 Oh, I've also been doing High Intensity Interval Training a few times a week. On an exercise bike or an elliptical. Really helpful.

Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at June 20, 2019 08:35 PM (o38N1)

297 your genes are forever but their expression is (or may be) contingent.

*dances*

Posted by: Gene, Gene the Dancing Machine at June 20, 2019 08:35 PM (QzkSJ)

298 I have been on 16/8 since last November. I had better gut health but never any change to my weight until I started doing 23 minutes of cardio every day before breaking my fast. I've lost five pounds and a belt loop since.

Come to find out exercise burns different fat if you have not eaten in a while.

Posted by: mog smash at June 20, 2019 08:35 PM (qMjSx)

299 weight loss not loose. damn splchk.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 20, 2019 08:35 PM (Pg+x7)

300 I was compulsive exerciser to relieve anxiety, and then surgeries set me back. I can't run any more or martial arts. I have struggled to exercise. Tried to get back into tennis but my hip bothered me. Then I said fuck it 'I need to hit stuff' and went back to a boxing gym I trained at a few years ago and stopped because I moved and shoulder surgery. Its old school, and lousy neighborhood but I LOVE to hit stuff and after a few weeks I'm starting to feel really good.

I use songs to gauge rounds and move from bag to bag, shadow box, bike, weights. Love it. always end on the heavy bag with Stones "Sympathy for the Devil"

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 08:35 PM (OX6sG)

301 ace, I didn't make myself clear enough.

Exercise is not an addition to weight loss. Moving and exercising is about hormone release and the chemical reactions in the body.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:35 PM (eBJ9w)

302 He's on a Vision Quest.

To hunt the hobo one must not think like a hobo.

Posted by: DaveA at June 20, 2019 08:36 PM (FhXTo)

303 So Ace, you are still so fat and gross that you need to not eat for 27 days in a row?
Not sure where we are here.......

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 20, 2019 08:36 PM (jjaLl)

304 You can get a ketone blood tester thing that works like a blood sugar tester. It works always, the strips don't.
But unless you have to reverse a disease, lchf works as well as ketosis and you still get fat adapted, you just have to count calories.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 08:36 PM (nRWPy)

305 Scratch that...ONE forty day fast.

Sorry for the brain fart.

Posted by: Taco Shack at June 20, 2019 08:36 PM (C+qQ0)

306 >>>268 I doubt I ever went 16 hours without food, even that maybe before a medical test.

it takes about a week or ten days to get used to and then it's super-easy, barely an inconvenience.

Because you're doing a short fast every day, and because your body needs to burn something for energy 11 hours after your last meal, you will start burning stored fat from hours 11 onwards. The rate goes from low-ish to high-ish at hour 14, and people like to get at least 16 hours in to take advantage of that higher-rate-of-fat-burning.

obviously, longer is better. but just start getting to 14 hours, then 15, then 16, and it will get pretty easy, and then doing One Meal a Day will start looking pretty easy.

it's only tough in the beginning, like anal.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:37 PM (PbpT7)

307 CrossFitters and the fitness community tend to be right wing I'm finding out. At least they don't concen themselves with clownworld, which is on a level I'm enjoying right now. They bust your balls, but if you stick with it and work hard and have consistency and discipline, the legends will help throw you on the level. Especially the women. Jesus, fitness is huge and booming with women compared to men. And competition.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 08:37 PM (yv6t0)

308 An theory tangential to epsom salts. I've bathed in them and felt better, but not as better as when I bathe in sea water.

There have been times when I've been able to immerse myself in sea water every day. In those times I have felt good.

I think something electrochemical goes on when we're in an environment that the body is designed for, salt water plus the other goodies that are in ocean water.

Maybe epsom salts come close.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:37 PM (fuK7c)

309 Ace just quit eating to fit more masturbation into his schedule.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:37 PM (0PDHs)

310 it's only tough in the beginning, like anal.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:37 PM (PbpT7)

Heh.

Posted by: Taco Shack at June 20, 2019 08:38 PM (C+qQ0)

311 Pshaw. He's on a Vision Quest.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (fuK7c)

Great movie. First wrestling movie, to my knowledge.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:38 PM (weya0)

312 Oh goodness. So I just read through the thread (not the comments yet) and if Ace is still here I have a few thoughts. First, when you're fasting be sure you're still keeping up on electrolytes. That means salt and magnesium, maybe even some Lo-Salt or No Salt for potassium.

Second, drink water obviously, but don't drown yourself. If you were drinking like crazy, urinating like crazy, and had a headache, you may have been drinking too much and flushing out your electrolytes (which mimics dehydration). The general rule of thumb is a long as you're getting in your electrolytes, you want to just drink to thirst. The thirst mechanism, after all, is your body's way of saying it needs more fluids. Follow it.

My third thought is that if you're doing OMAD are you making sure you're eating enough in that one meal? I know OMAD is kind of a fad right now, but honestly if you're in a severe caloric deficit for a long time by doing OMAD, you can screw up your metabolism. And a slow or damaged metabolism can be the driver of weight gain. Dr. Fung has a crapton of posts on this subject on the IDM site. Fasting is fine, IF is fine, but you should be feasting in between, so that means eating adequate food to suppply your energy needs.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 20, 2019 08:38 PM (SGw4W)

313 Vitamins and psychotherapy (both proven ineffective and essentially useless, yet ridiculously expensive) are far worse.

Essential oils!
Frankincense will set your metabolism free, haterz!

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 08:38 PM (LL1Be)

314 >>>o Ace, you are still so fat and gross that you need to not eat for 27 days in a row?
Not sure where we are here......

nah, I would say I'm nearly fit, just like my bodyfat percentage says. 17% begins "fitness" for males.

I'm in the vicinity of that... well, not that close, but... you know,

I'm not fat. I'm just not, you know, HOT.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:38 PM (PbpT7)

315 @Behind2020

Candidate comfort food:

Warren: Chips and guacamole
Harris: Fries
Gabbard: Vegan cupcakes
Buttigieg: Beef jerky
Gillibrand: Whiskey
Castro: Iced tea
Booker: Veggies
Klobuchar: Baked Potato
Williamson: "I have no comfort food"

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2019 08:39 PM (RBOtF)

316 Ace just quit eating to fit more masturbation into his schedule.

Good trade.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 08:39 PM (LL1Be)

317 ace, what do you eat when you eat one meal, and when do you eat?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 08:39 PM (OX6sG)

318 Gut health. Ferment your own sauerkraut or kimchi.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 08:39 PM (K22Va)

319 i kept saying exercise has other great benefits. I mean, I said it like three or four tines.

And it can help in weight maintenance... but at the level of like 9% of what a proper diet would do.

And that assumes a fairly robust amount of exercise, not the casual level most people do.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:29 PM (PbpT7)

I think it depends on the person. When my sister wants to lose weight all she has to do is taking a longer walk every night. With me it is all diet. I can work out until I drop but the scale doesn't move much until I change what I'm eating.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 08:39 PM (wvGlN)

320 I've been using Keyto, which is a device you can get on Indiegogo. You exhale into it and it tells you your ketone levels. No urine, no blood.

Posted by: moviegique at June 20, 2019 08:39 PM (CcUfv)

321 And all I meant by my rather crude comment was, it's been a few years now...why do you still NEED to be doing all these fasts? Hasn't this Fasting System got you to where you want to be? Again, after years?
Again, not wanting to be a jerk here....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 20, 2019 08:40 PM (jjaLl)

322 I'm not fat. I'm just not, you know, HOT.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:38 PM (PbpT7)

Do you still have the beard you did back in the early 2000's?

You did some blog conference, and you had some beard.

I saw that on video about 15 years ago.

I always figured that is where you got the "Ewok" nic.

Posted by: Taco Shack at June 20, 2019 08:40 PM (C+qQ0)

323 286 there really is a "fat gene" (to put it in simplified terms) that developed in populations that underwent periodic famines. That who had the genetic ability to store fat ahead of time survived the famines

Look at Mexican and Central American indigenos and say that again.
Posted by: Miklos

South Pacific Islanders are the most famous example of a population that evolved to be "fat" during "normal" times -- so that they can survive during famines (or years-long oceanic journeys, perhaps). Tongans, Samoans, etc. About 70+% of them are "overweight" in Western terms, but when studied their lifestyle and diet wouldn't really "predict" that level of demographic obesity, It's just in their genes.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:40 PM (oFcdC)

324 You think both of them looked like they've aged badly?

--

no, I was originally citing hemsworth as a person working out his ass off with a careful diet to get shredded. he's still young.

most of us don't want that and can't find the time or discipline to do it anyway.

The rock has aged, but if a face with wrinkles and no hair won't convince you, then fine.

https://tinyurl.com/yyrqdq57

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:40 PM (JziUy)

325 Great movie. First wrestling movie, to my knowledge.

Is Garp a wrestling movie?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:40 PM (fuK7c)

326 Unless your a body builder type or a dedicated athlete of a particular physical sport, most people are built like one or both parents.

Case in point, Jerry Nadler.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 08:41 PM (Z+IKu)

327 Dagny,
The hair falling out is from the miscarriage. Just like a month or so after having an actual baby you lose a lot of hair.

LASue,
Thanks! I'm ok with it since it was totally not a planned thing plus I'll be 50 this year.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 20, 2019 08:41 PM (UUBmN)

328 what do you eat when you eat one meal, and when do you eat?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

What or whom?

Posted by: Miklos, dietary guru and grammar Nazi in one at June 20, 2019 08:41 PM (QzkSJ)

329 The CrossFitters I see who are consistent and have
discipline are solid, explosive looking, healthy looking. Far from
skinny unless they are just starting out in year 1.
Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 08:31 PM (yv6t0)

Maybe they're doing it different that the couple I know.

Those two are hurt. Constantly. And a third guy is a body-builder. Sick constantly - and his muscles are big, but not strong. I can push him around - and have more than once.

Exercise alone is not the answer. Jews in Auschwitz got plenty - didn't do them any good. More than enough examples where I come from of kids doing adult jobs early - they didn't get bigger either. They just got tired. That shit broke me down a bit - I grew a shit pot in boot camp. I think because it was easier.

FWIW - I think you gotta' listen to your body. If you have a craving - feed it.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 08:42 PM (jQ4fD)

330 I have a visible four pack but have given up on a six or eight pack. I'm over forty unlike the rest of you kids

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 20, 2019 08:42 PM (j5RRD)

331 Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 20, 2019 08:40 PM (jjaLl)

LOL, nevermind, my question and follow-up already answered......

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 20, 2019 08:42 PM (jjaLl)

332 >>>. First, when you're fasting be sure you're still keeping up on electrolytes. That means salt and magnesium, maybe even some Lo-Salt or No Salt for potassium.

just a little proviso: Make sure you drink these in DILUTE form, preferrably over a period of hours. Like, fill up a 32 ounce jug with water, and whatever amount of electrolytes the label recommends, and then drink that periodically over half a day. (You do the same thing for the second half of the day.)

In my experience, getting your electrolytes in in One Big Gulp is very counterprodcutive. You will not retain them, but will probably squirt them and additional water out on the toilet for the next two hours.

You can switch to other non-electrolyte-spiked drinks like coffee or tea between drinking the electrolyte drink.

also I'm unsure if electroytes besides NaCL are really needed.

Also also, Jason Fung's advice to have bone broth as needed, "for compliance" (that is, to not break the fast with actual food), is a good one, because bone broth has the electolytes you need, or a lot of them, at least.

The one drawback there is that any amount of food might undo the wonderful appetite-has-receded effect.

I did feel hungrier and more tempted when I was having two cups of broth per day than I had prior to that.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (PbpT7)

333 Ace, you're a genius. But, fasting for a month is retarded. Living requires energy we get energy from food. Dying requires no energy. So, you don't need food when you're dead.

Just my 3 cents.

Posted by: qzy at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (pA58g)

334 What or whom?

Posted by: Miklos, dietary guru and grammar Nazi in one at June 20, 2019 08:41 PM (QzkSJ)

Lol. I keep forgetting who I am. Hell, who am i really, since you are what you eat.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (OX6sG)

335 Great movie. First wrestling movie, to my knowledge.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:38 PM (weya0)

Does All The Marbles count?

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (wvGlN)

336 Ace, when you have a craving for food, what do you do? Do you chew gum or something until the craving passes?

Posted by: dantesed at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (88xKn)

337 Death is totally catabolic.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (LL1Be)

338 Been 'sperimentin' this year.

Cut constant coffee to one cup before breakfast -> I have much more energy. Not knocked unconscious all day. Plus, I can feel the caffeine euphoria some mornings. It's very nice!

Stopped artificial sweeteners -> I no longer crave fast food, burgers and diet coke being my mainstays

Drinking tremendously more water, up from whatever to 3-5 liters per day -> it's seems to have reconstituted my muscles. I'm heavier and "fuller". Nothing miraculous to note, however, but I know it's 'good for me'.

Switched from low-carb to zero-carb -> absolutely no difference.

Each experiment had different results than I expected, but I'm happy with them.

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (Y9zp1)

339 Is Garp a wrestling movie?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:40 PM (fuK7c)

I don't remember if there was wrestling in it. ALl I remember about Garp is John Lithgow as the laughably ugly tranny that is the archetype of today's leftist heroes.

Vision Quest was the first movie that was specifically made about wrestling?

Speaking of wrestling movies, WIn-Win is a really, really good wrestling movie. Highly recommended.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (weya0)

340 45 Annette Bosworth recommends ketostix to test for ketones in your urine but then recommends a breath tester and finally a blood tester.
But I've been unable to find the latter two.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 20, 2019 07:42 PM (aCNZ6)

Keto mojo. They sell an inexpensive blood ketone machine. Takes both glucose and ketone readings, although you need separate strips. The urine strips are borderline useless, especially once you've been in ketosis a while because your body stops wasting them. If you're hydrated well, it can show low ketones, if you're not dehydrated it will show high ketones, etc and so on. Blood ketones are the pretty standard measurement, but I'd only invest in a meter if you plan on doing his long term. I have one and didn't get it until I was already three years in. Basically, if you're eating veg low carb (like 50 g total or less a day) you're gonna be in ketosis. Checking the levels is more for finding out how certain foods affect you.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 20, 2019 08:44 PM (SGw4W)

341 Tongans, Samoans, etc. About 70+% of them are "overweight" in Western terms, but when studied their lifestyle and diet wouldn't really "predict" that level of demographic obesity, It's just in their genes.
Posted by: zombie

Many experts pu-pu that theory.

Posted by: Miklos, pondering at June 20, 2019 08:44 PM (QzkSJ)

342 I've been holding steady for over a year at my normal weight after shedding the excess I had accumulated when I hit 29 with 2 meals a day light IF eating system after Ace wrote about IF and I got curious. It is perfect fit for me.

I don't know if I'll ever try to reshape my body to being really lean, I wasn't lean even as a kid, but the 2 meal a day is such an easy method for me to follow. The IF article I read said it can be harder for women to do longer fasts than say the 1 MaD, but a radio personality was saying her woman friend was encouraged to do IF as skipping eating 1 or 2 days a week (32-36 hr fasts) by a Dr to reverse metabolic syndrome or pre-diabetes, and it had worked well for the friend, so I guess that varies.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at June 20, 2019 08:44 PM (eASYU)

343 but I'm face blind, so what do I know.

mandy "Dr. Fung has a crapton of posts on this subject on the IDM site. Fasting is fine, IF is fine, but you should be feasting in between, so that means eating adequate food to suppply your energy needs."

so...is Fung taking the position your OMAD meal should be big? There's so much cuckoo. Some folks say, big meal after fast/omad is bad, some good.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:44 PM (JziUy)

344 . Hell, who am i really, since you are what you eat.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

You are large. You contain multitudes.

Posted by: Walt Whitman at June 20, 2019 08:44 PM (fuK7c)

345
Many experts pu-pu that theory.

Some experts have a different slant.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 08:45 PM (LL1Be)

346 So I have a Major Life Change coming up, a move, a new career. I am intending to channel some of this back into gainzz. I'm really quite hot when I'm not carrying a pregnancy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:09 PM

You and me both, Bander. New job, new move and determined to get back to the gym and get active again. I think my new schedule will help that a lot.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 20, 2019 08:45 PM (6yUhx)

347 I gained a pound of M&Ms for father's day. If I eat them all, the most I would put on would be a pound right?

Posted by: freaked at June 20, 2019 08:45 PM (UdKB7)

348 The Rock has like never had hair. I'm sure he's bald now but even when he had hair he shaved it. And you're not going to diet your way out of baldness.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:45 PM (0PDHs)

349 I've heard speculation that those descended from native americans have much more of a problem with glutens, and that affects weight issues. Corn was the only major grain native to the americas, and when European culture moved in we filled their diets with wheats and barleys and all types of glutanated food, which their ancestors had never adapted to.

Posted by: tom servo at June 20, 2019 08:45 PM (V2Yro)

350 Still doing my thing - although on a trip this past weekend I did have hash browns, a tiny corner of a sticky bun and scrapple 'cause I wanted them damnit.

I have about 12 lbs to lose to get to my target weight.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 08:46 PM (Y4EXg)

351 Does All The Marbles count?

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (wvGlN)

Heh ... no. Scholastic wrestling.

For professional wrestling there was also The One and Only with Henry Winkler. Funny movie.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:46 PM (weya0)

352 http://bit.ly/2WSom09
*******
Fmr Clinton Aide Contradicts Abedin Claims he Worked With her to Set up Private Server Dan Bongino

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 20, 2019 08:46 PM (BqBId)

353 IT, you gotta newsletter?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:46 PM (eBJ9w)

354 Honestly, before I read this thread, I was thinking:
What's wrong with Ace? The articles are intelligently written, but something is a bit "off".
Oh, Ace didn't eat for almost 30 days. Seems like a good plan.

Posted by: qzy at June 20, 2019 08:46 PM (pA58g)

355 So, this is it until the ONT?

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 08:46 PM (sdi6R)

356 "Buttigieg: Beef jerky"

Priceless

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 20, 2019 08:47 PM (j5RRD)

357 You and me both, Bander. New job, new move and detert active again. I think my new schedule will help that a lot.
Postmined to get back to the gym and geed by: RedMindBlueState

Oh good for you and good luck to both of us.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:47 PM (fuK7c)

358 what do you eat when you eat one meal, and when do you eat?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

Anybody else a little uncomfortable?

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 08:47 PM (DCYln)

359 cause I just ate the fuck out of a chipotle burrito, that better have my electrolytes and protein.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:47 PM (JziUy)

360 No one has asked ace the most important question.

Did you dream about your spirit animal?

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 08:47 PM (LL1Be)

361 332 just a little proviso: Make sure you drink these in DILUTE form, preferrably over a period of hours. Like, fill up a 32 ounce jug with water, and whatever amount of electrolytes the label recommends, and then drink that periodically over half a day. (You do the same thing for the second half of the day.)

Yeah you definitely want to take your salt with water. I take magnesium daily, about 600 mg magnesium glycinate, regardless. As long as I'm not fasting I just salt my food, but when fasting I will stay up on salt by swallowing about 1/4 tsp at a time with some water. Maybe half a cup to a cup. And I spread it over the day until I get to 2 full tsp. In general, a keto person needs around 4000 mg sodium a day and 2 tsp salt will get you right there. But definitely don't take it all at once. You might vomit or poop your pants.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 20, 2019 08:47 PM (SGw4W)

362 >>>317 ace, what do you eat when you eat one meal, and when do you eat?

usually sometime between 4pm and 8pm, depending on when I get hungry. I like putting it off because it makes the next day easier, but sometimes I just get hungry and eat earlier.

as for what I eat, well, like meat and cheese and eggs, plus I try to add something high in fat like olives.

or pork rinds with onion dip.

Avacado, that sort of thing. If I don't go out of my way to eat fat I just eat protein and high protein can add weight.

I made low-carb lasagna and sausage and peppers saurday night and have been eating those all week. I got tired of them pretty fast. I should have frozen half of it.

Eating the same thing days in a row gets old, even if it's something that's pretty good.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:47 PM (PbpT7)

363 Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 08:43 PM (Y9zp1)

I have GOT to stop with the artificial sweeteners. I have cut back but I still drink diet Coke and diet sweet tea plus I chew a lot of gum.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 08:48 PM (wvGlN)

364 I think a slow steady improvement (or striving for improvement) is a commendable goal for everyone.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2019 08:48 PM (jUVms)

365 many experts enjoy the pu-pu platter, too.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 20, 2019 08:48 PM (Pg+x7)

366 348 The Rock has like never had hair. I'm sure he's bald now but even when he had hair he shaved it. And you're not going to diet your way out of baldness.

---

Apparently, vegetable police guy did. I need see the videos where he discusses it.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:48 PM (JziUy)

367 327 Dagny,
The hair falling out is from the miscarriage. Just like a month or so after having an actual baby you lose a lot of hair.

Oh, sorry. I didn't read your first comment well. I'm also sorry.

I never lost hair, but I'd get a shock of bright red.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 08:48 PM (nRWPy)

368 I can't believe Ace is only a few pounds heavier than I am.

I will believe that my weight is going to curves he does not have. (Whether the tummy is a curve is an academic discussion, but I'm going with it is.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 08:48 PM (9hauA)

369 Eating the same thing days in a row gets old, even if it's something that's pretty good.

So, no pizza.

Posted by: dantesed at June 20, 2019 08:49 PM (88xKn)

370 Freaked--

I assume you're kidding but if not, no, you can gain a LOT more than a pound from a pound of M&Ms. Your body will turn that sugar in to nice, fluffy, water-filled fat.

Posted by: moviegique at June 20, 2019 08:49 PM (CcUfv)

371

You are large. You contain multitudes.

Posted by: Walt Whitman at June 20, 2019 08:44 PM (fuK7c)

niiiice.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 08:49 PM (OX6sG)

372 I think it depends on the person. When my sister wants to lose weight all she has to do is taking a longer walk every night. With me it is all diet. I can work out until I drop but the scale doesn't move much until I change what I'm eating.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 08:39 PM (wvGlN)

Yes. Exactly.

I tend to work out 6 days a week. The only time the scale really moved this year was when I was sick for 5 days and barely ate anything except Gatorade and soup!

Posted by: BethinPA at June 20, 2019 08:49 PM (2a+DH)

373 Oh good for you and good luck to both of us.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:47 PM

*fistbump*

You staying in the area or fleeing New England?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 20, 2019 08:49 PM (6yUhx)

374 DSiDS, Reading Justin Cooper's deposition was enlightening.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:50 PM (eBJ9w)

375 I have an elderly friend that is on my case constantly to drop artificial sweetness. But she can't give me a sciencey answer as to why.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2019 08:50 PM (u82oZ)

376 341 Tongans, Samoans, etc. About 70+% of them are "overweight" in Western terms, but when studied their lifestyle and diet wouldn't really "predict" that level of demographic obesity, It's just in their genes.
Posted by: zombie

Many experts pu-pu that theory.

Posted by: Miklos

Bada-bing!

But seriously: THe Japanese traditionally ate a lot of fish, and had very low rates of obesity. So the experts thought: Gee, eating fish is the secret to staying thin!

But then it was noticed that Polynesians ALSO traditionally ate a lot of fish, and yet even before their diet was Westernized, they tended to be fat. So -- ooops, maybe the fish isn't the point. And BOTH groups started eating Western food after WWI, and yet the Japanese stayed comparatively thin, while the Polynesians stayed fat and got fatter. Maybe Japanese and Polynesians simply have different genetic predispositions.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:50 PM (oFcdC)

377 >>>so...is Fung taking the position your OMAD meal should be big? There's so much cuckoo. Some folks say, big meal after fast/omad is bad, some good.

this is why I'm pushing NOMAD, Nearly One Meal a Day.

I don't think it's smart to just have ONE HUGE MEAL, so I try to break it up into a big meal (but not a huge one) and then, like 90 minutes later, something smaller but still kinda substantial, like a half avocado and some olives, or a little whipped-heavy+cream+vanilla+stevia dessert.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:50 PM (PbpT7)

378 Intense competitive fit girls are better to train with than gym bros. They don't talk all the time and take a real interest in throwing you on a level. Its like its their instinct and in their nature compared to men who want to dominate and destroy each other. Yes, I've taken the CrossFit pill and it's paying off bigly.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 08:50 PM (yv6t0)

379 I can't believe Ace is only a few pounds heavier than I am.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 08:48 PM (9hauA)

I'd look like a skeleton at 160. A damn skeleton.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 08:50 PM (jQ4fD)

380 343 but I'm face blind, so what do I know.

mandy "Dr. Fung has a crapton of posts on this subject on the IDM site. Fasting is fine, IF is fine, but you should be feasting in between, so that means eating adequate food to suppply your energy needs."

so...is Fung taking the position your OMAD meal should be big? There's so much cuckoo. Some folks say, big meal after fast/omad is bad, some good.
Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 08:44 PM (JziUy)

It's my understanding from what he's said and from talking to his assistant. Megan, that after a long fast you would ease your way back into eating slowly over a few days. But you do eventually need to get back up to regular eating. For a daily IF you eat really well in your eating window. Feasting is the specific term they use, so the idea is to get in all your nutrients at however many meals your eating going to eat in your window. At KetoCon last year Megan Ramos also said they see he best. Results in their clinic with alternate day fasting (so on end day eating well and one day totally fasting) and with people who try to keep their eating in two 90- minute windows every day.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 20, 2019 08:51 PM (SGw4W)

381 eating Western food after WWI
=
eating Western food after WWII

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:51 PM (oFcdC)

382 You staying in the area or fleeing New England?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

I'll do a big reveal in the Fall. It's mildly humiliating.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:51 PM (fuK7c)

383 OK. wait..Banders a chick?!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 08:51 PM (OX6sG)

384 I'm planning to have a hot dog shortly.

Maybe this is the wrong thread for that.

Anyway, eating (not gluttony) is one of the great pleasures of life for me so I don't think that this whole fasting lifestyle will work for me. Heck I already find fasting difficult as a religious discipline.

Anyway, congrats on the weight loss, Ace (don't get too skinny!), and stay healthy!

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 08:52 PM (9hauA)

385 I don't see how people don't know if they're in ketosis. It's a very distinct feeling plus it fucks up sleep.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 08:52 PM (nRWPy)

386 chique d'afrique

I'm sure your curves are better looking than ace's.

What are your thoughts / priorities on your relocation project?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2019 08:52 PM (u82oZ)

387 I have about 12 lbs to lose to get to my target weight.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 08:46 PM (Y4EXg)

About 16 here. Which isn't anywhere near what the BMI chart says it should be - that's still twenty away from that. Not gonna sweat it.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 08:52 PM (t+qrx)

388 Cannibal Bob, NOPE

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (eBJ9w)

389 Did Michelangelo fast? Did Mozart?
Did a bunch of Indians, who I've never heard of, fast?

Check.

Posted by: qzy at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (pA58g)

390 I'd look like a skeleton at 160. A damn skeleton.
Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 08:50 PM (jQ4fD)

You're not the only one! I think last time I was there was when I was 15.

Posted by: tom servo at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (V2Yro)

391 Okey-dokey. Bedtime. 'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (MVjcR)

392 Yeah I have no idea where you work out but the guys I work out with are nothing but supportive. Meanwhile the fit women I know talk all the damn time.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (0PDHs)

393 So here's the update on my GAINZZ:

My drinking game is STRONG son.

Just got back from a long weekend in NOLA, and my wife and I stayed at Bienville House hotel, purely because it's physically connected to Latitude 29, the best Tiki bar -- nay, the best bar period -- in the world.

Oh, and I had a bunch of fried oysters and soft shell crab and gained like 12 lb, which I don't care about, because I'm a dude and I don't have a boyfriend who's worried about my figure. I had 8 very stout Tiki drinks one night -- and those are just the drinks I have pics of. And a couple were communal.

Now that's what I call gainzz.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (sgHEm)

394 I'll do a big reveal in the Fall. It's mildly humiliating.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 08:51 PM

Wait...isn't that part of the kink?

Now we're all intrigued.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 20, 2019 08:54 PM (6yUhx)

395 388
Cannibal Bob, NOPE

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (eBJ9w)

who said "carrying a pregnancy then?" Ok, I need vodka. beer is not doing ti.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 08:54 PM (OX6sG)

396 Last Friday I got weighed on two electronic scales at two different medical facilities. The first one said 172. The second one said 177 an hour later. I don't think I gained 5 lbs. in an hour.

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 08:54 PM (sdi6R)

397 eating Western food after WWI
=
eating Western food after WWII

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2019 08:51 PM (oFcdC)

LOL.

zombie, I can't remember the last time you wrote a comment and didn't follow it up with a couple of corrections.

You have to just relax and let the errors go. Everyone knows what you meant. We all make these same typos and errors.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:54 PM (weya0)

398 Bone broth isn't cheating at all, it's a damn sensible move to avoid refeeding syndrome.

Also, males shouldn't focus on weight but waist size.

I'd also say DEXA scans, but I've had some inaccurate ones that shocked me. I got on a clinical scale at 168 and 15 minutes later a DEXA said I was 172. No way, because I didn't take anything in during that time so I have to question how some of these mobile units are standardized. Four pounds is a huge error when calculating LBM.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 20, 2019 08:54 PM (POccb)

399 About 16 here. Which isn't anywhere near what the BMI chart says it should be - that's still twenty away from that. Not gonna sweat it.

Posted by: hogmartin

----

Good for you! Yeah, the BMI has had me at 'obese' since my thirties. And I wasn't then and aren't now.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 08:54 PM (Y4EXg)

400 'Your body will turn that sugar in to nice, fluffy, water-filled fat.'

Aw crap is that what's happening? So every M&M is adding like 5X it's weight in fluffy fat?

Posted by: freaked at June 20, 2019 08:55 PM (UdKB7)

401 Dieting is for chicks.
Sports is for men.

Posted by: qzy at June 20, 2019 08:55 PM (pA58g)

402 Meanwhile the fit women I know talk all the damn time.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (0PDHs)

That's why G-d made ear buds.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:55 PM (weya0)

403 One thing about keto is that you shouldn't have too many calories. It's not an all-you-can-eat thing. If you have enough calories, those will stop weight loss.
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 08:27 PM (PbpT7)

This is true. At my age, height, and current weight, I have to stay under 1200 calories a day to maintain my weight, much less to lose. It's really hard to stay under 1200. Even without potato chips.
And then, about all I can think about is how much I would like some potato chips.

Posted by: April at June 20, 2019 08:55 PM (OX9vb)

404 Bone broth.

Made from the bones of your enemies. Dee-lish!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at June 20, 2019 08:56 PM (Vy7tf)

405 Didn't Mario Lanza have a doctor put him in a coma to lose weight? No some other guinea singer. Who was it?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 08:56 PM (OX6sG)

406 Pasta, your gains intrigue me. Newsletter.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:56 PM (0PDHs)

407 375 I have an elderly friend that is on my case constantly to drop artificial sweetness. But she can't give me a sciencey answer as to why.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2019 08:50 PM (u82oZ)

Pancreatic cancer. Insulin resistance.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 08:56 PM (TdMsT)

408 Yes. Exactly.

I tend to work out 6 days a week. The only time the scale really moved this year was when I was sick for 5 days and barely ate anything except Gatorade and soup!
Posted by: BethinPA at June 20, 2019 08:49 PM (2a+DH)

Last month I was working out like a fiend (at least for me). Not one pound droppe. In fact I put on a couple of pounds. (my body did look better though.)

Then I had a couple of super busy weeks at work so I just stayed home, ate the same and worked. I was so scared I would put on weight. When I finally got the courage to get on the scale after 2 weeks of almost no working out, I had lost a couple of pounds!

SMH.

I will admit my body did look a lot better when I was spending time in the gym so I will probably continue.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 08:57 PM (9hauA)

409 chique d'afrique

I'm sure your curves are better looking than ace's.

She's beautiful, so yeah.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 08:57 PM (nRWPy)

410 Didn't Mario Lanza have a doctor put him in a coma to lose weight? No some other guinea singer. Who was it?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 08:56 PM (OX6sG)

Victor's Cafe in Philly used to not let Lanza sing there because he mangled the arias with his won "style".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:57 PM (weya0)

411 "Now that's what I call gainzz."

Me too. Want some M&Ms?

Posted by: freaked at June 20, 2019 08:58 PM (UdKB7)

412 408 chique d'afrique

Muscle is denser than fat, so it weighs more per unit area.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2019 08:59 PM (u82oZ)

413 Pancreatic cancer. Insulin resistance.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 08:56 PM (TdMsT)

.....and death.

Posted by: The commercial guy talking real fast about side effects of a drug at June 20, 2019 08:59 PM (OX6sG)

414 And then, about all I can think about is how much I would like some potato chips.
Posted by: April
---

Sadly, I am a potato chipaholic. I bought a box of what I consider to be the best p c's on the planet last weekend and had 4 or 5 of them. I went through almost the entire box to select the 4-5 triple or quad folded ones.

That's not cheating, is it?

I have a real problem.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 08:59 PM (Y4EXg)

415 393- Pastafarian,
Cut, jib, newsletter.

Posted by: adobe juan kenobe at June 20, 2019 08:59 PM (y+nXk)

416 I will admit my body did look a lot better when I was spending time in the gym so I will probably continue.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 08:57 PM (9hauA)

I've started working out not because it helps me with weight loss but because I've decided that if some Antifa he/she wants to mess with me I'm going to make sure they are sorry they messed with the wrong almost-50-year-old broad.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 09:00 PM (wvGlN)

417
So every M&M is adding like 5X it's weight in fluffy fat?
Posted by: freaked

Melts in your gut, not in your hand.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 20, 2019 09:00 PM (aKsyK)

418 Ladyl

Hmmm. Sounds like a new goal. Learn to love water.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2019 09:00 PM (u82oZ)

419 I've dropped about 20 pounds since March. But I am stuck at that point. I tried fasting for 24 to 36 hours but I have to be careful if I do this on a work day as it can affect my concentration and one day I was a bit light-headed after 24 hours.

When fasting I consume 2 to 3 quarts of vegetable, chicken or beef broth or stock plus water or coffee.

But it is too easy to slip back into bad habits. I went away on a work trip and gained 7 pounds in 5 days.

I need to lose about 30 pounds more to get to my next goal for this year. I'd like to lose another 40 to 50 pounds over the next 2 years. And I'd like to avoid the winter weight gain that is all too common.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at June 20, 2019 09:00 PM (+Kpte)

420 Victor's Cafe in Philly used to not let Lanza sing there because he mangled the arias with his won "style".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 08:57 PM (weya0)

LOL. Love that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:00 PM (OX6sG)

421 The one thing I have to watch out for is fried shit. Anything breaded thick, or dripping in grease, will make me sick as a dog. So I don't eat fast food much.

A guy I work with had his gall-bladder removed. He thinks I got the same shit. But I just manage it.

Other than that - I eat a shit-pot of red meat and vegetables. Fruit when I get a taste for it. And I don't eat after about six - because my gut will be sore the next day. And that works for me.

I think you gotta' just listen to your system, and go with it. Different folks have different needs.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:01 PM (jQ4fD)

422 weirdest health story ever - Tucker just put a guy on who says kids who use cell phones too much are growing horns on their heads. I can't even.... I'm done.

Posted by: tom servo at June 20, 2019 09:01 PM (V2Yro)

423 chique d'afrique

I'm sure your curves are better looking than ace's.

What are your thoughts / priorities on your relocation project?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2019 08:52 PM (u82oZ)

LOL, thanks.

Honestly, work has been so busy I haven't given it much thought. I plan to make a decision this weekend. I'll keep you all posted.

A couple of difficulties. My childhood friend will be visiting from Nigeria in August, so I have to be around then. And then my choir starts up again in early September, so I don't want to miss so many rehearsals (although I may be able to come to an agreement with the conductor). I'm thinking it's probably going to be in August.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:02 PM (9hauA)

424 I will say that even though I haven't lost a ton of weight I do feel better over all eating very few carbs. I don't get that sleepy feeling in the afternoon. My energy level is more consistent throughout the day. Even though I wasn't diabetic I would say that I have metabolic syndrome. I read Gary Taub and watch some lectures by him and others in the field. It does make sense.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 20, 2019 09:02 PM (UUBmN)

425 Good for you! Yeah, the BMI has had me at 'obese' since my thirties. And I wasn't then and aren't now.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 08:54 PM (Y4EXg)

Oh, at 5'9", 206 is a bit chonky. Chonkier than I'd like to be, anyway. I could happily be 190 all day every day. I'll probably break 200 around the middle of July and ideally be steady at 190 around the end of September or beginning of October.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 09:02 PM (t+qrx)

426 I mean it will probably be July. And not a full month.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:03 PM (9hauA)

427 weirdest health story ever - Tucker just put a guy on who says kids who use cell phones too much are growing horns on their heads. I can't even.... I'm done.

Posted by: tom servo at June 20, 2019 09:01 PM (V2Yro)

I guess if they keep holding the phone against the same point on their head all day the skull could callous there and develop into a cute little horn ... and then they'd have to switch to the other side.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:03 PM (weya0)

428 "Tucker just put a guy on who says kids who use cell phones too much are growing horns on their heads"

Honk Honk!

Posted by: Kid with horn on his head at June 20, 2019 09:03 PM (UdKB7)

429 I have GOT to stop with the artificial sweeteners. I have cut back but I still drink diet Coke

It was easier than I thought, but wasn't intentional. I was cutting down on caffeine (diet Coke) and was sick to death of sickly sweet diet Powerade.

Turns out water (well water or Deer Park spring water, not Crystal Geyser garbage) tastes just fine.

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 09:03 PM (CE5C/)

430 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OmNABivol0

Posted by: Willie at June 20, 2019 09:03 PM (3XdZI)

431 Posted by: Pastafarian at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (sgHEm)

I subscribe to your religion.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 09:03 PM (t6MX/)

432 You didn't gain 7 lbs of fat in 5 days, you gained maybe a pound and then 6 of glycogen.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 09:04 PM (nRWPy)

433 392 Yeah I have no idea where you work out but the guys I work out with are nothing but supportive. Meanwhile the fit women I know talk all the damn time.
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 08:53 PM (0PDHs)

Men are supportive. Too much talkjng when training. Women like to push the hell out of you.... committed disciplined women who live and breathe training and staying fit and healthy. The elite ones can't stand the talking bitchy women. I have met a couple of dudes who like to train very hard, but the huge numbers in the current year are with the women.
Im making a distinction between lifting and training. I train. I don't lift. I like to push others and get pushed past my limits. Also, I think the new town I moved to is 70% women or something. Also, I changed gyms where people train and don't lift. The difference is a gallon of sweat.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 09:04 PM (yv6t0)

434 Used to do Weightwatchers with a gf. Went to furnace creek inn death valley sunday brunch during, spent all day feasting n drinking, yet still both lost weight that week. Ahh, being 29.

Posted by: adobe juan kenobe at June 20, 2019 09:04 PM (y+nXk)

435 Freaked --

Yup. A pound of M&Ms will turn into (roughly) 2 pounds of fat, I think.

Check the calories: 3,500/pound.

And two pounds is actually quite a lot to gain from M&Ms.

Posted by: moviegique at June 20, 2019 09:04 PM (CcUfv)

436 Turns out water (well water or Deer Park spring water, not Crystal Geyser garbage) tastes just fine.

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 09:03 PM (CE5C/)

All I drink these days is coffee and seltzer made from tap water. Works fine.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (weya0)

437 Water is tasteless.

Posted by: Willie at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (3XdZI)

438

How many calories in semen?

Posted by: Jackson Cockshole at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (UFLLM)

439 It's late in the thread, so I'll probably be willowed, but I've been thinking about this long fasting thing and the criticisms people have had about it--calling ace crazy and obsessed and the like.

I see it as an exercise in discipline. I've known some people who do extreme long-distance running and it seems like a similar discipline to me. I would not consider training for a regular old marathon, let alone a 100-mile mountain run (partly because boob make running uncomfortable, but mostly because running makes running uncomfortable).

But some people are motivated to do this, because they enjoy being disciplined enough to do it. I think fasters are in the same category. Am I making any sense?

I need potato chips.

Posted by: April at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (OX9vb)

440 Sadly, I am a potato chipaholic. I bought a box of
what I consider to be the best p c's on the planet last weekend and had 4
or 5 of them. I went through almost the entire box to select the 4-5
triple or quad folded ones.

That's not cheating, is it?

I have a real problem.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 08:59 PM (Y4EXg)

Oh man TP me too. Its my kryptonite. Offer me a cookie, no thanks, but I cannot keep chips in the house. I'll binge and binge some more. Kettle type. Dark brown. crispy. OMG. Heidi brings a small bag from a work lunch sometimes. thats all i can handle..

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (OX6sG)

441 Turns out water (well water or Deer Park spring water, not Crystal Geyser garbage) tastes just fine.

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 09:03 PM (CE5C/)

I have one of those fruit infusion pitchers. I need to start using it more.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (wvGlN)

442 Once a month I look forward to the glycogen gainzzz, I am powerful and explosive for the next week to 10 days.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (yv6t0)

443 Interesting pitch you have here.
I would say the weight gain is because your body made some adjustments for the lower calorie level, probably at about 2-3 weeks.

Posted by: MikeN at June 20, 2019 09:06 PM (o/eHL)

444 Yup. A pound of MMs will turn into (roughly) 2 pounds of fat, I think.

Don't throw 'em away.

When times get hard, you'll need those calories. What did the US ship the hell out of to Occupied Germany ?

Chocolate. For a damn good reason.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:06 PM (jQ4fD)

445 "Women like to push the hell out of you..."

Well shut my mouth.

Posted by: Willie at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (3XdZI)

446 I went through almost the entire box to select the 4-5 triple or quad folded ones.

Folded chips are the best. Multiply-folded chips are the bestest, and even better if they are kettle cooked.

Posted by: April at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (OX9vb)

447 Yeah, but I lift, and how is a woman going to push me on the bench? There are those elite crossfit games girls who could kick my ass on anything cardio, but then they'll put up what, 160 on the bench? You need guys who are at least in your orbit, gives you moving goals.

And if you think people who lift dont work hard, that's pretty silly.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (0PDHs)

448 408 chique d'afrique

Muscle is denser than fat, so it weighs more per unit area.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 20, 2019 08:59 PM (u82oZ)

Yeah, but from what I read, I hadn't been working out long enough for the muscle to take over. Plus my hip measurements didn't budge.

Sigh.

I'm still going to try to lose like 10 more pounds or so, even though I probably look ok now. If I can stay a size 6 - 8 (closer to 6 but my hips don't lie) , I'll be satisfied.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (9hauA)

449 I've become a true believer on the healthful attributes of green tea. I drink it straight with no sugar. And believe me, there is a world of difference between the processed kind and the raw loose leaf stuff.

I think the L-theanine is higher in the loose leaf stuff. I once had 2 cups of an oolong from Taiwan and I was in a good mood for 4 days.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (jXrK7)

450 Also, I think the new town I moved to is 70% women or something.

We will need a zipcode, please.

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (DCYln)

451 I would not consider training for a regular old
marathon, let alone a 100-mile mountain run (partly because boob make
running uncomfortable, but mostly because running makes running
uncomfortable).

Posted by: April at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (OX9vb)

I think we might be the same person.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (wvGlN)

452 Also training while fasting/Keto will make you feel like you are rolling of MDMA afterwards and microdosing all day. I love it.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (yv6t0)

453 weirdest health story ever - Tucker just put a guy on who says kids who use cell phones too much are growing horns on their heads. I can't even.... I'm done.
Posted by: tom servo at June 20, 2019 09:01 PM (V2Yro)

Used to know a fella who was a junk man who's nickname was "Lumpy".

I asked him one day why "Lumpy"?

He took his hat off to reveal a cantaloupe sized growth on the side of his bald head.

Ok then, Lumpy it is.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (Z+IKu)

454 How many calories in semen?

40

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (nRWPy)

455 Chocolate. For a damn good reason.

Best panty dropper known to man.

Posted by: General Specific at June 20, 2019 09:08 PM (UFLLM)

456 "Check the calories: 3,500/pound."

Won't I burn some calories off doing stuff, like commenting on a blog site?

Posted by: Kid with horn on his head at June 20, 2019 09:08 PM (UdKB7)

457 Used to do a YMCA exercise class with gf every week during weight watchers. Check IMDB for Sam Scarber our coach. Cruel, cruel man. Gf n me were never in better shape.

Posted by: adobe juan kenobe at June 20, 2019 09:09 PM (y+nXk)

458 Don't overdo the green tea. They've had to stop several studies on antioxidants because the cancer rates got crazy.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 09:09 PM (nRWPy)

459
You can lose weight pretty easy when the keto flu makes you too sick to eat.

Posted by: General Specific at June 20, 2019 09:10 PM (UFLLM)

460 458
Don't overdo the green tea. They've had to stop several studies on antioxidants because the cancer rates got crazy.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 09:09 PM (nRWPy)

gees, is there anything that won't kill you?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:10 PM (OX6sG)

461 Yeah sorry, if I want to get high I can at least admit it and down some pills. You basically sound like every other Crossfit evangelist. It can't just be good, it always has to be THE BEST and it'll cure cancer and it makes you feel like you just did a speedball with Motley Crue and it'll make your dick bigger too!

Fuck outta here.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:10 PM (0PDHs)

462 gees, is there anything that won't kill you?

Donating to my spiritual order will free you from the specter of death my son.

Posted by: General Specific at June 20, 2019 09:11 PM (UFLLM)

463 You guys DON'T have horns?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:12 PM (0PDHs)

464 Chique, if you're a size 6, you don't need to lose a pound, you're fine.

Reward yourself, have some fried oysters and a Rum Barrel.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 20, 2019 09:12 PM (sgHEm)

465 Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (wvGlN)

Sisters from another mother, perhaps!

Posted by: April at June 20, 2019 09:13 PM (OX9vb)

466 447 Yeah, but I lift, and how is a woman going to push me on the bench? There are those elite crossfit games girls who could kick my ass on anything cardio, but then they'll put up what, 160 on the bench? You need guys who are at least in your orbit, gives you moving goals.

And if you think people who lift dont work hard, that's pretty silly.
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (0PDHs)

Besides my dad, who was the best,, all the best people who have pushed me the hardest lifting and training have been disciplined committed fit women. Like I said, I believe it's in their nature to see a man and want to make him better, get him to lead, and then you can feed off each other.
Once you go fit disciplined committed girls to train with, you won't want to go back. It is what it is.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 09:13 PM (yv6t0)

467 Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:10 PM (0PDHs)

Any time someone mentions "runner's high" or anything of the sort you know they are full of shit and don't even know how full of shit they are.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:13 PM (weya0)

468 >>>432 You didn't gain 7 lbs of fat in 5 days, you gained maybe a pound and then 6 of glycogen.

yeah I don't think that's it, remember, I stopped the fast two weeks ago, my glycogen should have been put back on in a couple of days.

either it's water or it's that steak I had sitting around or my scale is goofy.

also i don't think you have that much glycogen. Isn't it something like 70-100 grams of glycogen in your liver? They say there's like 200 in your muscles but I think the body actually tries to conserve that, and starts ketosis after liver glycogen is depleated.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:13 PM (PbpT7)

469
Tucker just put a guy on who says kids who use cell phones too much are growing horns on their heads. I can't even.... I'm done.
Posted by: tom servo

They had the same story on "The Five" and determined that it was bogus.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 20, 2019 09:13 PM (aKsyK)

470 458 Don't overdo the green tea. They've had to stop several studies on antioxidants because the cancer rates got crazy.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 09:09 PM (nRWPy)

What? I thought antioxidants were supposed to be good.

I give up. Lemme at those potato chips.

Posted by: rickl at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (sdi6R)

471 451 I would not consider training for a regular old
marathon, let alone a 100-mile mountain run (partly because boob make
running uncomfortable, but mostly because running makes running
uncomfortable).

Posted by: April at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (OX9vb)

I think we might be the same person.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 09:07 PM (wvGlN)

I see a business opportunity for human athletic supporter and rickshaw power source.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (t6MX/)

472 You can lose weight pretty easy when the keto flu makes you too sick to eat.
Posted by: General Specific at June 20, 2019 09:10 PM (UFLLM)

No shit.

This and I'm done. I can damn feel it, when working on my wood line or such, when I'm too light. Can't swing as hard, get the shakes, and have no stamina. I can feel it all the way to my toes.

I'm not fat by any means. But I can't get a damn thing done without some fat on my bones. Maybe it's just me. Everybody is different.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (jQ4fD)

473 "Tucker just put a guy on who says kids who use cell phones too much are growing horns on their heads"

Honk Honk!

Posted by: Kid with horn on his head at June 20, 2019 09:03 PM (UdKB7)

Harpo?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (o3WRR)

474 Chique, if you're a size 6, you don't need to lose a pound, you're fine.

*raises hand*

Has met Chique. Is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (fuK7c)

475 Doc said my cholesterol was 591. That's high so I better get serious.

Posted by: Rut roe at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (77kMG)

476 All I've ever read was that the Epigallocatechin Gallate in green tea prevents cancer from spreading. Nothing about it causing cancer.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (jXrK7)

477
Any time someone mentions "runner's high" or anything of the sort you know they are full of shit and don't even know how full of shit they are.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:13 PM (weya0)

I was a distance runner for 25 years. The runners high thing is real. And really addictive.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:15 PM (TdMsT)

478 Hannity is pissed! That'll lose some weight.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 09:15 PM (K22Va)

479 I've got a Gainzzzz story for y'all, but it's a long one, so bear with me.

Late last summer I started to feel not quite right, like sometimes a tingling in my fingers or a numb feeling in my arms, or profuse sweating with little exertion, fatigue, etc.
I'd been gaining a little weight per year for a few years, so some of the symptoms were not suprising, but cumulatively it was concerning.
Okay, this will be too long so I'll abridge it.
blah blah 5' 10' 206 lbs all in front. Metabolic syndrome.
bp off the charts, blood glucose 200+, can't see a new doc (whole 'nuther story) for 4 months and change.

Well shit, I'm not going to waste the next four months in the same condition I was in, so I got proactive.
Final result when I went to see doc past Jan: Lost 35 lbs of fat, gained a few in muscle, kept my A1C under 6, cholesterol under 200 and bp was near normal.
Diet and exercise has become a big part of my life now, because I was on the edge of some pretty serious shit. Granted, I've only stepped one baby step back from that edge, but a 29 and counting I'll take it.

Ace, I think your fasting experiment is pretty extreme, but I get why you're at least trying. I hope you reverse your insulin resistance, but I'm going the route of working my ass off trying to get lean to kickstart my metabolism.
Good luck to you, but take care. You go longer than prisoners on hunger strikes, and the successful ones of those end up dead.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 20, 2019 09:15 PM (z79tQ)

480 Yeah, runners high is real. It's just not something you can turn on and off whenever you want.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:16 PM (jXrK7)

481 Also when you hit 50 and the kids (are supposed to) move out, just send that 30% savings over to the medical profession.

Posted by: Rut roe at June 20, 2019 09:17 PM (77kMG)

482 480 Yeah, runners high is real. It's just not something you can turn on and off whenever you want.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:16 PM (jXrK7)

No. You can't really predict if and when it's going to happen.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:17 PM (TdMsT)

483 I don't "train." What are you training for, the fucking Crossfit games? If I compete, it would be in powerlifting, which women are garbage at.

Once you do my cult fad bullshit you'll never want to do anything else!

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:17 PM (0PDHs)

484 Hannity is pissed! That'll lose some weight.
Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 09:15 PM (K22Va)
****************

He needs to chill right now.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2019 09:17 PM (RBOtF)

485 Ok. I'll join your cult, just no branding or sex slave shit.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:18 PM (jXrK7)

486 Hannity and Rivera are going at each other tooth and nail over the Iranian attack.

Posted by: davo at June 20, 2019 09:18 PM (sMLEE)

487 Country boy,
Where are you going camping and/or hiking?

Posted by: lin-duh at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (UUBmN)

488 I was a distance runner for 25 years. The runners high thing is real. And really addictive.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:15 PM (TdMsT)

I don't buy it.

I've heard the same shit about acid flashbacks. Bullshit. Somebody made this up and a bunch of people decided to repeat it but it's nonsense. People used to say this crap about meditation, too. LOL. It was wishful thinking.

Maybe you folks like to stretch the meaning of the word "high", but I guarantee you that you can run your ass off all day and you won't get in the same mental state that some strong drugs will bring you to.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (weya0)

489 Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:17 PM (0PDHs)

I'll never forgive you for not tell Trebek "That's what I did to your mother".

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (jQ4fD)

490 Has met Chique. Is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (fuK7c)

I think she's trying self-effacing modesty in this thread. Which, yeah, only works if you have not met her.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (t+qrx)

491 "Once you do my cult fad bullshit you'll never want to do anything else!"

You said it!

Posted by: Kid with a horn on his head at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (UdKB7)

492 Sean Hannity and Geraldo Rivera?

That's a real Algonquin Round Table.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (sgHEm)

493 LadyI, do you have any actual highs to compare it to?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (0PDHs)

494 Ok. I'll join your cult, just no branding or sex slave shit.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

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Well poop! Why even join then?

Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 09:20 PM (Y4EXg)

495 480 Yeah, runners high is real. It's just not something you can turn on and off whenever you want.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:16 PM (jXrK7)

I don't know if I would call it a high. It was always more of a Zen-like peace or trance state.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 09:20 PM (t6MX/)

496
Maybe you folks like to stretch the meaning of the word "high", but I guarantee you that you can run your ass off all day and you won't get in the same mental state that some strong drugs will bring you to.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (weya0)

Well I'm pretty sure it's not a high like you've get on drugs, but it is a feeling euphoria.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:20 PM (TdMsT)

497
Well I'm pretty sure it's not a high like you've get on drugs, but it is a feeling euphoria.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:20 PM (TdMsT)

So you've never done drugs?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:21 PM (weya0)

498 Don't underestimate water weight. They put my husband on a heavy diuretic and he lost 77 pounds in a month. He kept saying it was water weight, but it still affects your body.

I did a two week fast, but did drink tomato juice with some brewer's yeast. I was doing physical labor and felt I needed more than water. I really should try another short fast. I don't lose weight unless I can keep carbs below 30 and even then, I plateau out. But at my age, it's hard to lose weight no matter what you do.

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 20, 2019 09:21 PM (JKNZq)

499 I don't think anyone is claiming runners high is equivalent to doing drugs. But marathoners do sometimes look like heroin addicts, who knows?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:21 PM (jXrK7)

500 Has met Chique. Is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (fuK7c)

Thanks, Bander, LOL.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:21 PM (9hauA)

501 Any time someone mentions "runner's high"

Had it once. Nine miles in 63 minutes. Completely non-addicitive because that run was the last thing I wanted to do again.

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 09:21 PM (g0Lfb)

502 493 LadyI, do you have any actual highs to compare it to?
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (0PDHs)

Maybe mild shrooms.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 09:21 PM (t6MX/)

503 Hannity and Rivera are going at each other tooth and nail over the Iranian attack.

Who's on which side?

(I wouldn't watch Hannity if a bunny were on fire and I had the only narwhal tears that would put it out).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 09:21 PM (fuK7c)

504 LadyI, do you have any actual highs to compare it to?
Posted by: Broseidon

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Perhaps not B but she did walk around topless on a golf course one day.

And that my Morons, sure as hell should count for something.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 09:22 PM (Y4EXg)

505 IT: You can do it yourself. Getting on Jeopardy was easy for me so it must also be easy for other people, right?

I just forgot to fast or else I'd still be on the show.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:22 PM (0PDHs)

506
So you've never done drugs?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:21 PM (weya0)

Minor experimentation back when the dinosaurs roamed.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:22 PM (TdMsT)

507 People used to say this crap about meditation, too. LOL. It was wishful thinking.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (weya0)

I would, without starting an argument, disagree.

I have had real results - not by sitting squat legged and chanting, but by concentrated thinking.

I'm not a spiritual or religious guy - but that has worked for me.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:23 PM (jQ4fD)

508 Last month I was working out like a fiend (at least for me). Not one pound droppe. In fact I put on a couple of pounds. (my body did look better though.)

Then I had a couple of super busy weeks at work so I just stayed home, ate the same and worked. I was so scared I would put on weight. When I finally got the courage to get on the scale after 2 weeks of almost no working out, I had lost a couple of pounds!

SMH.

I will admit my body did look a lot better when I was spending time in the gym so I will probably continue.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 08:57 PM (9hauA)

Can relate 100 percent.

Honestly, exercise makes me a happier person. I have a tendency toward anxiety and worry, and exercise helps me with that immensely.

But I lose weight based on diet/consumption. Now, when I actually do get to a desired weight, exercise will help me to stay there even with a few treats here and there. But I have to be somewhat vigilant with the intake.

Posted by: BethinPA at June 20, 2019 09:23 PM (2a+DH)

509

Perhaps not B but she did walk around topless on a golf course one day.

And that my Morons, sure as hell should count for something.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 09:22 PM (Y4EXg)

And I wasn't even high!

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:23 PM (TdMsT)

510 Feeling of euphoria? Yeah, that would be drugs alright.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:23 PM (0PDHs)

511 >>>
I was a distance runner for 25 years. The runners high thing is real. And really addictive.

it's real, and you can get it from any kind of exertion. I get it VERY RARELY from weightlifting.

but when I had it, I had it, and it wasn't so slight that I had any doubt I had it.

Your body produces its own endogenous opiods. Yes, opiods. It produces them for various reasons but it does seem to produce them during/after hard exercise. Maybe it takes exercise to be a fight or flight thing and it's producing them to dull the pain it thinks you will feel after your flight or fight.

Alas I only get this super-rarely. If I got it more often or reliably, I wouldn't avoid doing squats.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:24 PM (PbpT7)

512 476 All I've ever read was that the Epigallocatechin Gallate in green tea prevents cancer from spreading. Nothing about it causing cancer.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM (jXrK7)
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Green tea is supposed to be the best. Gives me the sads. I'm a black tea drinker which is good for cardio but cancer not so much.

Posted by: Willie at June 20, 2019 09:24 PM (3XdZI)

513 Don't eat a hippie, I'll tell you that....its not far out man.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:24 PM (OX6sG)

514 Runner's high is probably just that groovy feeling that comes when you are doing something you like and everything comes together. Some might describe it as some kind of thing known as happiness.

Posted by: freaked at June 20, 2019 09:24 PM (UdKB7)

515 492 Sean Hannity and Geraldo Rivera?

That's a real Algonquin Round Table.
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 20, 2019 09:19 PM (sgHEm)

____

A Great American and a ??

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:24 PM (FiUMj)

516 Chique, if you're a size 6, you don't need to lose a pound, you're fine.

Reward yourself, have some fried oysters and a Rum Barrel.
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 20, 2019 09:12 PM (sgHEm)

I'm not a 6 yet, but yeah, I don't want to go below that. I think that would be too skinny for my age and build. When I look at pics from my early 30s during a very fit and skinny period, all I can think is I was too thin.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:25 PM (9hauA)

517 I don't buy it.

I've heard the same shit about acid flashbacks.

Maybe you folks like to stretch the meaning of the word "high", but I guarantee you that you can run your ass off all day and you won't get in the same mental state that some strong drugs will bring you to.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Well, you're conflating a lot of things there, sport.

I don't believe in acid flashbacks because I haven't had any and no one I know has told me about them.

I do believe in runner's high because I've experienced it. Is it the same as acid? No. Is acid the same as pot?

You can achieve a euphoria where running ceases to be an effort and becomes just a bubble that carries you along in endorphins. That's a high.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 09:25 PM (fuK7c)

518 Jesus H Christ, t-bird, what was chasing you?

A mountain lion? Pack of hyenas? Nine 7-minute miles, even at my fittest, senior year of high school, I would have pissed blood for a week.

Wolves? The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young?

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 20, 2019 09:25 PM (sgHEm)

519 Minor experimentation back when the dinosaurs roamed.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:22 PM (TdMsT)

Well, I've done lots of drugs and I've worked out like a beast when I was young and I can tell you that there is no such thing as any workout "high" that is comparable in any way, whatsoever, to actually being high on drugs. It's not even in the same universe.

The word "high" is the wrong word but it was put there specifically because it was the wrong word. Runners were trying to make more of running by making it sound comparable to pharmaceuticals and to justify their running to non-runners instead of just saying that they "love running".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:26 PM (weya0)

520 Hogmartin, you are too sweet.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:26 PM (9hauA)

521 Your body produces its own endogenous opiods. Yes,
opiods. It produces them for various reasons but it does seem to produce
them during/after hard exercise.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:24 PM (PbpT7)

I concur. I also think it's linked into the reaction to the satisfaction of a hard day's work.

I'm not making a joke. I'm very serious.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:26 PM (jQ4fD)

522 512> Weird, I find that green tea improves my mood. I guess things just work differently on some people. I drink a lot of black tea too, so maybe it's both.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:26 PM (jXrK7)

523 >>>People used to say this crap about meditation, too. LOL. It was wishful thinking.

I have never had any kind of transcendental major feeling of wellness from meditation, but I often feel calmed and good, in a fairly subtle way.

I've been cutting my panic medication and using meditation to make up for it. It does seem to work, though, again, for me, not so gangbusters that I could ditch the pills entirely if I had a bad panic coming on.

but for minor panics, it works.

I had to do this a bunch of times during the fast because 1, I do get worried that I'm doing something dangerous and 2, sometimes you get so much nervous energy it feels a little panicky.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:27 PM (PbpT7)

524 I shouldn't probably admit this, but I did kind of a lot of acid back in the early 80s. I have never had a flashback. Nor do I know anyone who has.

Posted by: April at June 20, 2019 09:27 PM (OX9vb)

525 Beyond the working out and weight issues, I'm trying to get better with my dancing, since I finally have access to some decent tango groups. Once or twice a week classes. I'm also trying to keep up daily Russian classes on Duolingo.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 20, 2019 09:28 PM (XgPhs)

526 Yep, water weight or glycogen is big. You also get muscle repair fluid that puts on scale weight. Right now, if I ate a bunch of sugar and doubled my lifting, I'd weigh as much as 10 lb heavier tomorrow night, 9 lbs water/glycogen.

Posted by: dagny at June 20, 2019 09:28 PM (nRWPy)

527 I would, without starting an argument, disagree.

I have had real results - not by sitting squat legged and chanting, but by concentrated thinking.

I'm not a spiritual or religious guy - but that has worked for me.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:23 PM (jQ4fD)

I'm very much pro-meditation and think that it is good exercise for the mind ... but you can't meditate yourself into an ersatz drug-high.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:28 PM (weya0)

528
You can achieve a euphoria where running ceases to be an effort and becomes just a bubble that carries you along in endorphins. That's a high.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 09:25 PM (fuK7c)

We lived in a hilly lake community for 5 months while we were building a house. I'd go out really late at night and run for 2-3 hours. Something about the hills and late hours really brought about euphoria and running became effortless.

I doubt that I could do that now at my age.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:28 PM (TdMsT)

529 Never experienced the elusive endorphins. Exercise just made me sleepy. I had to stop going to the gym in the morning because I would be tired and sleepy the whole day.

It may also be partly due to my being NOT a morning person.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:28 PM (9hauA)

530 I know this sounds boring and shit...if I gain a few pounds and need to shed them, I -just eat less. No fasts, no diets, no counting calories. Stop eating deserts, pizza, and all the other bad shit we know is bad for us but tastes so damn good. Also no beer. I never drink soda, but I'd stop that too if I did. And I lose the lbs I put on. Then I get back to my old habits, rinse and repeat.

Most people put on weight during the winter, i tend to lose weight since I ski a lot. I'm in the best shape of the year late March and I have legs of steel.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:28 PM (FiUMj)

531 What a beautiful day today. Gathered up all my new jewelry and cruised around trying to find a good place to take pics. Ended up at the nearby lake. So peaceful! Got lots of new stuff in the shop. So... oh.. and free shipping til July 7 so take advantage, cuz I don't do it very often!

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2019 09:29 PM (dUJdY)

532 >>>>I concur. I also think it's linked into the reaction to the satisfaction of a hard day's work.

I'm not making a joke. I'm very serious.

...

I would guess your body is not nearly so connected with your conscious thought that this would happen, and so I think it's a physical thing, but I don't want to argue about it.

But your conscious thought is a newish addition to the brain and stuff like fight or flight is in the deepest, oldest structures of it, so. Yeah, I don't see Johnny Come-Lately Conscious-Thought having much effect on the body's opiod production.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:29 PM (PbpT7)

533 Oh and the Royals are winning.. double bonus

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2019 09:29 PM (dUJdY)

534 I ride a bike for 30 minutes after dinner every day after dinner in which I cover about 5.5 miles. After 1 1/2 miles the endorphin starts to kick in. The caloric burn depends on how much effort is exerted; usually I burn >190 calories. I like to ride fast and hard. When I stop it feels great, relaxed and a feeling of accomplishment. Also I sleep like a rock. The "high" lasts about 3 hours.

Posted by: davo at June 20, 2019 09:30 PM (sMLEE)

535 Hey Guys did you know Hedgehog Hannity was against the War in Iraq & Afghanistan ?????? he said that tonight on his Repetitive Monologue
******
What a Choad, He really thinks his audience in stupid & he is BRILLIANT

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 20, 2019 09:30 PM (BqBId)

536 I had to do this a bunch of times during the fast
because 1, I do get worried that I'm doing something dangerous and 2,
sometimes you get so much nervous energy it feels a little panicky.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:27 PM (PbpT7)

With smart comes crazy. You're smart. Congrats.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:30 PM (jQ4fD)

537 >>> I know this sounds boring and shit...if I gain a few pounds and need to shed them, I -just eat less.

the thing is, losing a "few pounds" is easy as pie.

No one really needs a regime to lose "a few pounds." As you say, it's easy.

What about 30 pounds? What about 40?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:30 PM (PbpT7)

538 Just finished a five day fast, second one this month. I'm starting to get a handle on the various problems. Not much weight loss yet, but maybe later. Next goal is a couple of seven day fasts, and then, who knows?

I didn't get serious about this until my fasting blood sugar started coming in regularly at 105 or so. Dr. Fung's diabetes fasting program is what got me started.

Posted by: William Quick at June 20, 2019 09:31 PM (Ewoxi)

539 I heard somewhere that one of the strongest opiods in nature is found in human saliva in very low concentrations.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:31 PM (jXrK7)

540 Consider regular sauna as the next biohack with fast. Improves GAiNZZ, improves cognition, is relaxing and can reduce blood pressure. Your nerd cutie, Rhonda Patrick, has some good vids on this.

Posted by: James OBrien MD at June 20, 2019 09:31 PM (POccb)

541 I've been mixing HIIT cardio with weights and seeing notable GAINZZ and LOSSEZZZ. It helps that I do strength-based cardio (Crossfitty-type stuff) and then IMMEDIATELY progress to the weights while I'm still sweaty and out of breath. Supposedly this makes your muscles actually work and not draw off your ready state of initial energy.

So I'll do two minutes on the rowing machine as hard as I can, then do a set of bent row barbells. Then, after resting, two minutes of kettlebell swings followed by a bench set.

I'm wondering about pairing HIIT with HISS (high intensity super slow) weight training, but I just did HISS for about two months and got bored.

Posted by: @irishmikecomedy at June 20, 2019 09:31 PM (KchIo)

542 >>So you've never done drugs?

J'accuse!

Posted by: moviegique at June 20, 2019 09:31 PM (CcUfv)

543 If Trump goes to war with Eye-ran, it will make a lot of his fans unhappy campers. Moi included. I hope he knows better and tells the neo-cons to fuck off.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:31 PM (FiUMj)

544 Runners were trying to make more of running by
making it sound comparable to pharmaceuticals and to justify their
running to non-runners instead of just saying that they "love running".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:26 PM (weya0)

or maybe you're over sensitive to someone who is excited about the gaaainz they feel from their sport...sport.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:31 PM (OX6sG)

545 >>>Never experienced the elusive endorphins

I had it when younger a few times, from running, but I only got it again this past year when weightlifting. And only a couple of times.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:32 PM (PbpT7)

546 This evening I got the euphoric "runners high". I was talking to a few folks afterwards and my eyes started fluttering and rolled back in my head for a brief second. It was kinda embarrassing and I had to start talking to come back to earth a bit. Probably looked possessed. Keto/Fasting plus intense training does this on a regular basis when you learn to disassociate while training and get in a zone like playing any sport (basketball, baseball, golf, running marathons, etc.).

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 09:32 PM (yv6t0)

547
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:24 PM (PbpT7)

Your body produces DMT, too, but you'll never spontaneously go into a DMT trip because of naturally occurring DMT in your brain.

The drugs that your brain produces and its effects and the the effects from introducing like compounds externally are very different.

Your brain produces opiods but have you ever heard of anyone who was actually addicted to their brain opiods and experienced serious withdrawal symptoms from stopping them (which would have to be done eventually for any chemicals like the opiods that people take externally since we build up tolerance to them and need more and more).

Jut because your brain generates some chemical that doesn't mean that you experience the same feeling as someone who takes that chemical externally. It just doesn't work that way.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:33 PM (weya0)

548 The thing about runners is they get fried egg tits.

Nobody looks good with fried egg tits.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:33 PM (+Tq+1)

549 I find that I get the good "hard days work" feeling the most when I work in the heat.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:33 PM (jXrK7)

550 the thing is, losing a "few pounds" is easy as pie.

No one really needs a regime to lose "a few pounds." As you say, it's easy.

What about 30 pounds? What about 40?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:30 PM (PbpT7)

___

Fair enough. But, after my 1st kid was born I gained weight bigly. 25ish pounds over a year or so. I took the same approach to lose it, no specific diet or regime or whatever. I just ate less and stopped eating the bad (good) stuff. Lost that weight in a few months.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:33 PM (FiUMj)

551 ace, this is kind of a personal question, and if you'd prefer not to answer, please tell me to F the H off, but:

Do you live alone?

That nervous energy, that panicky feeling, the bouts of fatigue -- I was like that when I (briefly) lived alone. Then I started living with various women, eventually just the one, and it was gone.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 20, 2019 09:33 PM (sgHEm)

552 >>>Consider regular sauna as the next biohack with fast. Improves GAiNZZ, improves cognition, is relaxing and can reduce blood pressure. Your nerd cutie, Rhonda Patrick, has some good vids on this.

I was doing both infrared sauna and that cryochamber thing based on her talking up cold-shock proteins and heat-shock proteins.

I don't know if I had any GAINZZZ from it in any way, besides enjoying a hot sauna.

A friend keeps telling me to take very cold showers for the cold-shock protein effect. I've done that a few times, and I guess I kind of like it. (Once you get used to it.)

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:34 PM (PbpT7)

553 548
The thing about runners is they get fried egg tits.

Nobody looks good with fried egg tits.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:33 PM (+Tq+1)

Lol. true, and where the fuck did you come from? hey G.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:34 PM (OX6sG)

554 I hate hate hate running. I'd much rather do strength training or yoga.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 09:34 PM (wvGlN)

555 Maybe you folks like to stretch the meaning of the word "high", but I guarantee you that you can run your ass off all day and you won't get in the same mental state that some strong drugs will bring you to.
===================
Yeah, it comes down to what the meaning of is, is. I have done 250 mi bike races, I've done trail ultra marathons (30+ miles) and 5 mile open water swims, and here is what I can say re: a runners high. You can get into a zone, beyond "second wind" where the pain leaves you, and you honestly feel like you could go on forever. I don't think it's endorphins, but it is a slightly giddy sensation, and it is also fleeting. I've kept it for 10 or so miles, but eventually reality and pain seep back in.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 20, 2019 09:34 PM (ty7RM)

556 I would guess your body is not nearly so connected
with your conscious thought that this would happen, and so I think it's a
physical thing, but I don't want to argue about it.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:29 PM (PbpT7)

No argument needed - we're just talking.

As a kid, I got sick, and this is no shit, literally every weekend trip or vacation until I hit about 16. Because I would get nervous, and worry, and then my body did the rest.

Like clockwork. You could set your watch by it.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:34 PM (jQ4fD)

557 >>>Your brain produces opiods but have you ever heard of anyone who was actually addicted to their brain opiods...

people are telling you right in this thread but as usual you are rejecting any information that does not derive from your own experience and ideological priors.

Sorry man. LadyL just said twice it was addictive.

You're just like, "My proof that this doesn't exist is that no one says that it's addictive. Oh, and the person who says it's addictive is just hallucinating, due to other bodily drugs, which also do not exist."

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:36 PM (PbpT7)

558 I get a 'high' after a hard workout but I think its just my body recovering and the muscles relaxing. Drinking a gatorade and some water seems to intensify the feeling. So does a cheeseburger and a milkshake if I have it within an hour or so after the workout.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 20, 2019 09:36 PM (e0nNm)

559 Fried Egg Tits? You learn something new every day LOL

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:36 PM (FiUMj)

560 Never experienced the elusive endorphins. Exercise just made me sleepy. I had to stop going to the gym in the morning because I would be tired and sleepy the whole day.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:28 PM (9hauA)

I've never gotten it in a gym, for what that's worth, nor on a track, only on a trail. I don't know why that is. And only on colder mornings, very early spring or late fall. I've gotten it in Connecticut - where it gets cold and dry, but never in Hawaii, where it's warm and soggy before the sun comes up. But one of my friends there did triathlons and she got the endorphin thing all the time.

So who knows.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 09:36 PM (t+qrx)

561 "my eyes started fluttering and rolled back in my head for a brief second."

That some high. I'm not sure you are doing it right.

Posted by: freaked at June 20, 2019 09:36 PM (UdKB7)

562 I know this sounds boring and shit...if I gain a few pounds and need to shed them, I -just eat less. No fasts, no diets, no counting calories. Stop eating deserts, pizza, and all the other bad shit we know is bad for us but tastes so damn good. Also no beer. I never drink soda, but I'd stop that too if I did. And I lose the lbs I put on. Then I get back to my old habits, rinse and repeat.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:28 PM (FiUMj)

My annoying problem is I rarely eat junk, not really my thing most of the time. So eating less just means eating less regular food, which is annoying.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:36 PM (9hauA)

563 Jesus H Christ, t-bird, what was chasing you?

I was in college, and running with a friend who was really good. And really good at pushing me, the bastard! My best was 5:30 with pads, helmet, and cleats. I can't even imagine such things today at 29.

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 09:36 PM (lK7fO)

564 Has met Chique. Is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 09:14 PM

*sidles over to Chique*

How you doin'?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 20, 2019 09:37 PM (6yUhx)

565 or maybe you're over sensitive to someone who is excited about the gaaainz they feel from their sport...sport.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:31 PM (OX6sG)

LOL ... .... .... no.

And it's "slick".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:37 PM (weya0)

566 Hey ace. How does this last fast compare to quitting smoking? Which was easier?

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 09:37 PM (K22Va)

567 I would also tell you, dude, that I would find it addictive IF I could experience it more often and more reliably. As it is, I've felt it only rarely and randomly, and thus cannot easily recreate it.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:37 PM (PbpT7)

568 Sorry if you already said this (I'm in a rush to get out): but check out Banting. They've got a food list and aim to low carbs (to no carbs) BUT I've found it's not ridiculous like Atkins, where people I know on it would refuse things like peaches but eat Doritos. Plus it's more flexible and understands the different paces of people and body makeup.

I've had back problems in the past, and one catch phrase I became very familiar with was "anti-inflammation," so when I saw that is a big part of Banting, my attention was theirs. I totally dropped bread for a week and was eating some really delicious stuff off their green list - and the stiffness I'd often have disappeared within days. Also, my asthma cough and overall inability to breathe properly, which has been plaguing me for months, improved dramatically - just from dropping bread! Now, I love bread and was surprised at myself that just off the cuff I went for that as my first drop, but it turned out to be not really bad at all. The meals I was eating were so satisfying, both for taste but also eliminating that eating-from-habit thing you were talking about.

Also, drinking lemon water I think played a big role in the nearly instantaneous change in how I felt - but I drank most of it durning the day before 16:00, maybe a little later - coz yeah, I know what you mean about broken sleep, it's a drag.

Plus they do recommend fasting (not quite the way you did it, though).

It's just too bad you don't live super north - you could get summer fatigue like we do when it's light all night - you think it's like 18:00 and it's actually nearly midnight so you're all over the place doing stuff, and then when you drop in bed you sleep like the dead.

Posted by: Lisl at June 20, 2019 09:37 PM (Ov5e7)

569 >>You can get into a zone, beyond "second wind" where the pain leaves you, and you honestly feel like you could go on forever. I don't think it's endorphins, but it is a slightly giddy sensation, and it is also fleeting. I've kept it for 10 or so miles, but eventually reality and pain seep back in

I used to do a lot of Century (and longer) rides.

This is exactly my experience.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:38 PM (+Tq+1)

570 I find that I get the good "hard days work" feeling the most when I work in the heat.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:33 PM (jXrK7)

See, complete opposite here. Working in heat is misery for me. Shit, sitting around doing nothing in heat is misery for me.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 09:38 PM (t+qrx)

571 Unless your a body builder type or a dedicated athlete of a particular physical sport, most people are built like one or both parents.

Case in point, Jerry Nadler.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 20, 2019 08:41 PM (Z+IKu)

ISWYDT

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 20, 2019 09:38 PM (yQpMk)

572 LOL ... .... .... no.

And it's "slick".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:37 PM (weya0)

LMAO.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:39 PM (OX6sG)

573 Yo - Bob. How's Cannibal life?

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:39 PM (+Tq+1)

574 I'd rather eat doritos than peaches because isn't corn's glycemic much lower than a peach?

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 09:39 PM (JziUy)

575 >>>566 Hey ace. How does this last fast compare to quitting smoking? Which was easier?

um... I don't know. With fasting, you have to build up capacity and skill at it, but once you have that, it's pretty easy.

I don't know really how to compare, because it is pretty hard to build that up.

I guess it's easier to quit smoking, BUT you don't really experience all the tough fasting stuff all in one period. You just do some here, some there, and quit when it gets tough. Eventually you quit later and later into the fast.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:39 PM (PbpT7)

576 April at June 20, 2019 09:05 PM (OX9vb)

You are making perfect sense.

Posted by: Taco Shack at June 20, 2019 09:39 PM (C+qQ0)

577 I've never experienced anything even remotely addictive as nicotine. Sounds like heroin might be close and I've never tried to kick caffeine.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:39 PM (jXrK7)

578 >>You can achieve a euphoria where running ceases to be an effort and becomes just a bubble that carries you along in endorphins. That's a high.

You can get it from any physical exercise. Endorphin release in the brain.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2019 09:39 PM (PxX58)

579 you think it's like 18:00 and it's actually nearly midnight so you're all over the place doing stuff, and then when you drop in bed you sleep like the dead.

Posted by: Lisl at June 20, 2019 09:37 PM (Ov5e7)

___

And then the sun is ip at 4:45 and you're up too. Or maybe that's just me. I both love and hate these super long days.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:40 PM (FiUMj)

580 Lol. true, and where the fuck did you come from? hey G.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:34 PM (OX6sG)

He just materializes out of the ether when the perfect wisecrack is needed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 09:40 PM (t6MX/)

581 You can achieve a euphoria where running ceases to be an effort and becomes just a bubble that carries you along in endorphins. That's a high.
---------

It's spectacular!

Posted by: Zombie Jim Fixx at June 20, 2019 09:41 PM (Ou6XS)

582 Sorry man. LadyL just said twice it was addictive.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:36 PM (PbpT7)

Not habituating - addictive, as in physically in jeopardy from withdrawal, like dying from alcohol withdrawal or going into seizures from heroin withdrawal.

People use the word "addictive" for all sorts of hings that aren't even close to "addictive". Opioids are ADDICTIVE. It's not a matter of just feeling a little down because you stop taking them. It puts you in physical jeopardy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:41 PM (weya0)

583 whatever, dude.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:42 PM (PbpT7)

584 And then the sun is ip at 4:45 and you're up too. Or maybe that's just me. I both love and hate these super long days.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:40 PM (FiUMj)

I can sleep under almost any circumstances (except heat). I would absolutely love very long days.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:42 PM (9hauA)

585 Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:36 PM (PbpT7)

And LadyL also admitted that she didn't really understand what was actually meant when she used the word "high", as it is used to relate to a drug high.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (weya0)

586 577
I've never experienced anything even remotely addictive as nicotine.
Sounds like heroin might be close and I've never tried to kick caffeine.

The docs at the V.A. used to tell me quitting smoking was similar to kicking heroin. Never was a junkie so I don't know but it wasn't easy.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (K22Va)

587 Also, drinking lemon water I think played a big role in the nearly instantaneous change in how I felt - but I drank most of it durning the day before 16:00, maybe a little later - coz yeah, I know what you mean about broken sleep, it's a drag.

----

this comment is interesting because I've been researching vitamin C. Very good for collagen production. But most vitamin C supplements are ascorbic acid, not citric.

so I digs a bit and the web is saying that neither one is really vitamin C. VC is more complex than that (ascorbic acid) and not what Linus Pauling was talking about.

So, how do you really get VC? Juice. I guess cherries, cranberries, lemons, the usual suspects. Maybe even in pill form. So, a bit of lemon juice is the real deal. not as much sugar as a glass of OJ.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (JziUy)

588 And then the sun is ip at 4:45 and you're up too.

This time of the year it gets dark around 2000 +. Theres a bird in the tree by my window, and that little MFer goes off at 0300. Every. Day.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (e0nNm)

589 >>whatever, dude.

I am sorry your tits look like fried eggs, Ace.

Maybe try some Judy Bloom books?

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (+Tq+1)

590 I've never experienced anything even remotely addictive as nicotine. Sounds like heroin might be close and I've never tried to kick caffeine.
============
Nicotine and caffeine are the 2 most powerful psychoactive substances known to science. And they are cheap and readily available.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (ty7RM)

591 >>>And LadyL also admitted that she didn't really understand what was actually meant when she used the word "high", as it is used to relate to a drug high.

like I said: Whatever, dude.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (PbpT7)

592 I can sleep under almost any circumstances (except heat). I would absolutely love very long days.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:42 PM (9hauA)

___

You'd love where I live, long days (doesn't get pitch black until 10pm this time of the year) and cool nights, lows in the 40s and 50s, which is perfect sleeping weather.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:44 PM (FiUMj)

593 Patrick Hussion @PatrickHussion
NEW: In a potential race for Governor, allies of @PressSec Sarah Sanders conducted a poll in Arkansas weeks ago in a matchup w/ other likely GOP candidates. Results showed her "crushing" her opponents. Sanders seriously considering run for office..

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 20, 2019 09:44 PM (BqBId)

594 MDMA is a drug that makes your brain release the same endorphins it always does, just more like a shotgun blast.

Unfortunately, I seem to be immune to MDMA and just wasted a bunch of money once. At least my friends had fun.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2019 09:44 PM (jXrK7)

595 >>So, how do you really get VC? Juice. I guess cherries, cranberries, lemons

You want Juice?

Posted by: Don Lemon at June 20, 2019 09:44 PM (+Tq+1)

596 On addiction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDiU2p2uzVI

Posted by: Ryan from The Office at June 20, 2019 09:45 PM (PbpT7)

597 And then the sun is ip at 4:45 and you're up too. Or maybe that's just me. I both love and hate these super long days.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:40 PM (FiUMj)

I like them.

I used to work at Toyota - drive in at dark, drive home at dark. They were not eight hour days. I missed the sun. Quite a bit.

However, I do like the rainy days like we've had here for the last couple weeks. The rain makes sleeping so easy. I've been knocking down eight to ten ... I'm off this week ... and it's been awesome.

Crazy, crazy dreams though.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:45 PM (jQ4fD)

598 Downside is....January the sun comes up at 8:00 and sets at 4:00...well if you actually see the sun which doesn't make too many appearances between Thanksgiving and Valentine's Day.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:46 PM (FiUMj)

599 I don't think I could stop eating for 2 days, let alone a month.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 09:46 PM (K22Va)

600 This time of the year it gets dark around 2000 +. Theres a bird in the tree by my window, and that little MFer goes off at 0300. Every. Day.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (e0nNm)

That's why I can't sleep with the window open in the summer. Little assholes start that shit at 4:30 am.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2019 09:46 PM (dUJdY)

601 That's why I can't sleep with the window open in the summer. Little assholes start that shit at 4:30 am.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2019 09:46 PM (dUJdY)

____

2 words: Ear plugs.

I sleep with ear plugs every night, doesn't matter where I am. Blocking out all noise = sound sleep.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 20, 2019 09:48 PM (FiUMj)

602 I used to work at Toyota - drive in at dark, drive home at dark. They were not eight hour days. I missed the sun. Quite a bit.
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I used to have a lab in the basement of a building. During the winter I would get a little sunlight on the way into work, but it would be setting when I got off.

Dreary.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 09:48 PM (U2TY5)

603 So I've been doing 48 hour fasts after reading about Ace's efforts. They are particularly easy for me. No real effort or discomfort. I'd like to do that weekly, then just going back to one a day meals. I too want to rid myself of that stubborn fat that just won't disappear no matter how many sit-ups or miles I jog.

Frustrating Fat, I call it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 09:48 PM (pUDQf)

604 'The docs at the V.A. used to tell me quitting smoking was similar to kicking heroin. '

I quit smoking one day long ago and have not smoked since other than an occasional cigar. It was pretty easy.

Posted by: freaked at June 20, 2019 09:48 PM (UdKB7)

605 573
Yo - Bob. How's Cannibal life?

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:39 PM (+Tq+1)

what are you a cop? you writing a book? Pretty good g. getting a bunch of crap done on the house....blah blah. tonight tequila. You?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:48 PM (OX6sG)

606 This time of the year it gets dark around 2000 +. Theres a bird in the tree by my window, and that little MFer goes off at 0300. Every. Day.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (e0nNm)

A yellow bird, by any chance? With a yellow bill?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 09:48 PM (t+qrx)

607 The docs at the V.A. used to tell me quitting smoking was similar to kicking heroin.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 09:43 PM (K22Va)

That's total bullshit. Koop (who was a good guy) started this crap. Nicotine isn't addictive. It's habituating. Is it highly habituating? Absolutely. But it isn't addictive.

I quit smoking in January after 30 years of mostly heavy smoking. Just stopped. I doubt I would have ever been able to quit heroin or morphine like that ... just deciding to stop and stopping, with 50 pounds of tobacco still in my basement.

Tobacco is highly habituating because it's great stuff but it doesn't compare in any way, whatsoever, with heroin or any truly addictive drug.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 20, 2019 09:49 PM (weya0)

608 I can't stop eating these damn M&Ms though.

Posted by: freaked at June 20, 2019 09:49 PM (UdKB7)

609 I've never done heroin so I can't say if nicotine is as addictive as heroin

But the guy whose book got me to quit smoking (The Easy Way to Quit Smoking) says that quitting smoking is much easier than quitting heroin or alcohol.

as far as physical addition, he says, that is all gone by day three of no nicotine. What is left at that point is craving and habit and mythology (mythology, like "I need a cigarette to focus," which just isn't true).

again, I can't compare. But he says that nicotine's addictive power is overblown and should not be overblown, as that makes smokers thinks it's nearly impossible, which it definitely is not.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:49 PM (PbpT7)

610 Incorporate a solid 45-50 minute HIIT class after lifting/training. You will get the "Runners high" consistently if you push yourself every time you have the fresh legs to do so plus do it fastking/Keto. It takes practice, but if you keep your heart rate between 85% and 95% the entire time, learn to disassociate and push though pain, then you will begin to get that "runners high" and stay in a happy giddy mood until you do it again. It's very very addicting.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 09:49 PM (yv6t0)

611 Just want to say thanks to the moron who talked about Krav Maga. I found a Krav Maga gym that has self-defense/fitness classes and I really love it. Who knew that hitting and kicking were so much fun?

Also, thanks to Ace talking about fasting, I did some reading on it and have been doing 12 intermittent fasting. (Yes, basically not snacking in the evenings, but mentally it is much easier for me TO fast rather than just white knuckle not snack.)

Posted by: Iris at June 20, 2019 09:49 PM (6lKe4)

612 Appetite, man.

Fucking appetite.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 09:49 PM (LL1Be)

613 Dreary.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 09:48 PM (U2TY5)
Yep. I don't mock folks for their little quirks like I did when I was younger and dumber.

Seeing the sun is one of mine. I don't think it's a vitamin thing - but it's absolutely a mental thing.

Posted by: Inconvenient Truths at June 20, 2019 09:50 PM (jQ4fD)

614 >>>604 'The docs at the V.A. used to tell me quitting smoking was similar to kicking heroin. '

I quit smoking one day long ago and have not smoked since other than an occasional cigar. It was pretty easy.

...

Easy Way to Quit Smoking by Alan Carr. Costs $10 on Amazon.

I cannot recommend this tiny expense and this two hours of time to read (or less) strongly enough.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:50 PM (PbpT7)

615 Posted by: Jewells45 at June 20, 2019 09:46 PM (dUJdY)

The overnight lows are in the 50s so if i sleep with the windows open its really comfortable,especially with the tiny pups next to me. That fuckin bird though... First song, and tha lil nugget is licking my face. 'Hey. Hey. Lets get up and make breakfast.Like bluberry pancakes and bacon.'

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 20, 2019 09:50 PM (e0nNm)

616 I used anger and hate to overcome smoking. Two powerful emotions.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 09:51 PM (pUDQf)

617 He just materializes out of the ether when the perfect wisecrack is needed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 09:40 PM (t6MX/)

patience. its a virtue.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:51 PM (OX6sG)

618 I don't think I could stop eating for 2 days, let alone a month.
Posted by: dartist
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Yeah, same here. I have no part in this conversation.

Obviously, metabolisms vary. I haven't varied in weight since I got out of the service, mumble, mumble decades ago.

I really don't pay any attention to what I eat or how much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 09:52 PM (U2TY5)

619 Things here are pretty much the same. Couple few days on the water this week. Nice to get out and row for a bit.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:52 PM (+Tq+1)

620 I will happily accept pics in order to assess the fried egg status of your tits.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 20, 2019 09:52 PM (LL1Be)

621 I sure didn't get sick quitting smoking. I'm sure that is not true of alcohol or heroin. It's the V.A.

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 09:52 PM (K22Va)

622 People who have been doing this awhile get pissed off when they aren't feeling it and legs aren't fresh enough to stay at 85%-95% for the entire 45-50 minutes. Visibly pissed off. So I'm not the only one chasing those natty chemicals and high.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 09:53 PM (yv6t0)

623 616
I used anger and hate to overcome smoking. Two powerful emotions.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 09:51 PM (pUDQf)

Yep. I use to my advantage at the gym. especially the boxing gym.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:53 PM (OX6sG)

624 >>I used anger and hate to overcome smoking.

I used ace.

I figure if ace can do it, how hard can it be?

3 weeks. No cheats yet.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:53 PM (+Tq+1)

625 The Easy Way to Quit Smoking changed my thinking on things.

I did not think the book would work. I did not think that a guy merely talking to you (in print) for two hours about stuff like the "mythology" of smoking would change anything.

Basically, I thought stuff like "mental state" (just your attitude about something, if it will be easy or hard, if you're positively or negatively disposed to it, etc.) and psychology were just total bullshit.

Then I read it and quit within five or six days.

And that changed my mind about mindset and the power of persuasion.

I had a bit of an incentive to quit -- I felt like shit and thought I might have a heart attack -- but most smokers feel like that.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:53 PM (PbpT7)

626 The cool thing about not eating 48 plus hours is not taking a crap and giving your colon a break from 29 years of poop.

All that energy used to metabolize food (turn it into a paste to extract nutrients ) is put to body healing and brain function.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 09:54 PM (pUDQf)

627 I sure didn't get sick quitting smoking. I'm sure that is not true of alcohol or heroin. It's the V.A.
Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 09:52 PM (K22Va)

Kicking heroin can make you feel like you're dying or that you'd be better off dying, but I don't know if it's actually dangerous. Alcohol withdrawal can kill you stone dead.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 20, 2019 09:54 PM (t+qrx)

628
I really don't pay any attention to what I eat or how much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 09:52 PM (U2TY5)

Shut up Mike.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 20, 2019 09:54 PM (OX6sG)

629 Hogmartin>> Couldnt say. Its dark at 0300 and once I'm up, I gotta make coffee and breakfast.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 20, 2019 09:55 PM (e0nNm)

630
I really don't pay any attention to what I eat or how much.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 09:52 PM (U2TY5)

I'm the same way. I just don't have the same interest in food since my husband died. Nothing ever sounds really yummy.

But I get an enormous amount of exercise and I need to be better about having things on hand that I will actually eat.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 20, 2019 09:55 PM (TdMsT)

631 We are all differently addictive, differently susceptible to substances, and we experience substances differently. Some people try pot, don't like it, and don't get what the fuss is. Others immediately think oh my god where have you been all my life.

Some people extrapolate from their own experience and insist that it is the only experience possible. We call them assholes.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 09:55 PM (fuK7c)

632 >>>I figure if ace can do it, how hard can it be?

3 weeks. No cheats yet.

...

good on ya. Competition helps. I started doing long fasts when this guy I listen to did a 14 day fast *with no prior fasting experience,* and I had always previously bailed after 5 days.

And I was like, "If this stupid shit can do it, why can't I?"

I'm happy to serve as your designated Idiot.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:55 PM (PbpT7)

633 399
Good for you! Yeah, the BMI has had me at 'obese' since my thirties. And I wasn't then and aren't now.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 20, 2019 08:54 PM (Y4EXg)

Age 21, when I was much more physically active, my BMI was 26.3. Of course, I was running 5 minute miles in boots with a rifle. Or humping a 100 lb ruck for 20 klicks at a time. But I was overweight, right?

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2019 09:55 PM (di1hb)

634 Ace, I've lost 40 in less than a month. Also why even bring up 40 when you only lost 20, and only 14 stuck?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 09:56 PM (0PDHs)

635 3 weeks. No cheats yet.
Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:53 PM (+Tq+1)

Good on you brother!

Got to get angry at those cigs and hate them. Hate them hard. Never go back once you've busted a week.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 09:56 PM (pUDQf)

636 But I get an enormous amount of exercise and I need to be better about having things on hand that I will actually eat.
Posted by: Ladyl
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*proffers honey bun*

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 09:56 PM (HTHlp)

637 Age 21, when I was much more physically active, my BMI was 26.3. Of course, I was running 5 minute miles in boots with a rifle. Or humping a 100 lb ruck for 20 klicks at a time. But I was overweight, right?
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 20, 2019 09:55 PM (di1hb)

___

YES!! We know best.

Posted by: Government Agencies who created BMI at June 20, 2019 09:57 PM (FiUMj)

638 636
But I get an enormous amount of exercise and I need to be better about having things on hand that I will actually eat.

Posted by: Ladyl

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*proffers honey bun*

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at June 20, 2019 09:56 PM (HTHlp)

and I have ice cream and whipped cream! come to me.

Posted by: Satan at June 20, 2019 09:57 PM (OX6sG)

639 >>I'm happy to serve as your designated Idiot.

Ha - You should see the shelving I put in!

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 09:57 PM (+Tq+1)

640 >>>634 Ace, I've lost 40 in less than a month. Also why even bring up 40 when you only lost 20, and only 14 stuck?

I don't know, I guess because I thought I would do a post about it?

I'm very sorry that I did not achieve your GAINZZZ and I will henceforth check with you to see if I have exceeded your GAINZZZ before mentioning my own.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:58 PM (PbpT7)

641 I don't know, I guess because I thought I would do a post about it?

I'm very sorry that I did not achieve your GAINZZZ and I will henceforth check with you to see if I have exceeded your GAINZZZ before mentioning my own.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 09:58 PM (PbpT7

Snort

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 09:58 PM (pUDQf)

642 Ah, well, ONT is up. Thanks for the GAINZZZ, ace, these are fun.

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 09:58 PM (QrTqV)

643 I cannot recommend this tiny expense and this two hours of time to read (or less) strongly enough.

I actually quit around the time ace was talking about that book. There was a line you quoted something like "ask yourself if you really need this" that actually helped. I'm around 3 years out now so thanks for the help dude!

Posted by: dartist at June 20, 2019 09:59 PM (K22Va)

644 I still got no gainzzz. This thread didn't work.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 09:59 PM (t6MX/)

645 Nicely done, dartist.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2019 10:00 PM (+Tq+1)

646 You're razzing other people for their regimens because they only lost a bit and said "what if you need to lose 40?'

If you didn't lose anything close to that, why would they?

Whatever, keep up your weekly fasting propaganda post. Its clearly the best thing ever and its made you a Greek God.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:00 PM (0PDHs)

647

Krav Maga sounds like a character on Star Trek.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 20, 2019 10:01 PM (aKsyK)

648 >>>
I actually quit around the time ace was talking about that book. There was a line you quoted something like "ask yourself if you really need this" that actually helped. I'm around 3 years out now so thanks for the help dude!

good, glad it worked. that "ask yourself" thing is called mindfulness and people claim it can work with a whole range of bad habits (or creating good habits).

the idea is we generally do bad things when we do not think about them, and we actively avoid thinking about them, but if we turn that around and force ourselves to actively think about them, it tends to make the habit easier to ditch (or to cultivate, if a positive habit).

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:02 PM (PbpT7)

649 I'll let you know the next time I have to go to the doctor seemingly every other week because I get paranoid that I'm killing myself.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:04 PM (0PDHs)

650 >>>You're razzing other people for their regimens because they only lost a bit and said "what if you need to lose 40?'

I'm razzing someone who is clearly not overweight but who only gains a couple of pounds -- hint, a couple of pounds overweight means you're at normal weight -- once again offering the advice, "Hey, just have good genetics like I do and everything will work out."

Basically, if someone has never lost weight, because they never needed to, why do they feel the need to constantly re-offer the same useless non-advice?

and by the way: Fuck right the fuck off. Who the fuck are you?

Boy, what delicate little pansies we become when someone notes he is doing something that you are not doing!

What other things do you do, or not do, so I know not to trigger your special snowflake self by mentioning them?

Is it okay if I play videogames? I don't want to upset you by recommending a game if you're not TOTALLY on board with it, cupcake.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:05 PM (PbpT7)

651 >>> I'll let you know the next time I have to go to the doctor seemingly every other week because I get paranoid that I'm killing myself.
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean

okay daffodil. Maybe see a psychiatrist about your depression, though.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:05 PM (PbpT7)

652 But thanks for making a thread about me ace. I did appreciate it and I'll make sure to include you in my future suicide note.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:05 PM (0PDHs)

653 Hey Pansy,

how about your give us all your personal regime and then I'll just propagate that to everyone every week?

Oh, and also, all of your favorite shows and stuff. We all need to be on Broseidon's page here.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:07 PM (PbpT7)

654 just read the thing about the incel menace, a "group" that has taken "nationwide activity"

quote:

"The screenshot was taken from a Joint Base Andrews Intel brief created following basic threat analysis on an increase in nationwide activity by the group"

It's quite hilarious, showing a bunch of memes about Chad, some already discussed above, and his bitches. It's also scary cause this shows our leaders are stupid and dumb, plus you know...I can't even.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:08 PM (JziUy)

655 Yeah because you don't have any mental issues right ace?

But you're clearly not touchy at all about this because you just unloaded on a regular poster for having the audacity to not become a fasting cultist.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:08 PM (0PDHs)

656 Well, that escalated quickly.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 10:08 PM (pUDQf)

657 When you went NOMAD, was one calorie equivalent to 90 normal calories?

Posted by: nerd at June 20, 2019 10:08 PM (oS0xz)

658 I've read about survivors at sea going without food for the lengths of time you mention, Ace. Universally, they say the thirst part is what gets them as well as the sun stroke. Undoubtedly, proper hydration is key to your fasting as well as coming out of it properly.
I can't imagine the mental energy required to do such a thing. I think I would rather attempt to climb Mt. Everest and die of pulmonary edema.

Posted by: Stepan at June 20, 2019 10:09 PM (eUHKv)

659 Fun thread, ace. I love hearing about other people's GAINZZZ and experiences, sharing, and picking up advice along the way to incorporate. Thanks, Morons and Ettes!

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 10:09 PM (yv6t0)

660 Well, my GAINZZ are LOSSEZZZ: 140ish pounds down from 360ish to 220ish. I still have 40ish pounds to go to get into "normal" weight range for my height. That's all I want after all these years of 300+ pounds: normal. At my goal weight I will be exactly half my starting weight. I call it my "Half the Man" campaign.

Strategy: no booze, and generally much less food stuffed into the food hole. And yes, I joined the gym and got a personal trainer. And yes I do go at least 3 days per week with a couple lighter cardio days sprinkled in. But it's Not The Gym. I lost 50+ pounds before I stepped foot in the gym.

Still, the progress slope is definitely flattening. I need to improve my strategy and do more to retain muscle mass as I've definitely lost some of that on the way down even though I'm definitely getting stronger. That doesn't seem to make sense but I guess a big part of strength training is actually getting your muscles better..."organized" for want of the technical term for it, and not just the sheer addition of muscle mass.

Posted by: I Have Questions at June 20, 2019 10:09 PM (ZhFYR)

661 Ace is doing something for himself. He's sharing it on his blog. What is the problem? He's not demanding everyone start fasting in his cult of skinny people.

Geez

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 10:09 PM (pUDQf)

662 BTW, i mentioned this, but I guess reading isn't on Broseidon's list of approved things:

I didn't see the doctor because of the fast. It was a one-year check up, scheduled six months ago. It was just a coincidence that i had to see him then.

I've said that before, but whatever. Maybe your depression clouded your minds.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:10 PM (PbpT7)

663 Basically, if someone has never lost weight, because they never needed to, why do they feel the need to constantly re-offer the same useless non-advice?

and by the way: Fuck right the fuck off. Who the fuck are you?

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dayam!

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:10 PM (JziUy)

664 My personal regimen is go fuck yourself. You sure seem touchy as well for being so 100% confident in your fasting lifestyle. But if you need a punching bag fine, I'm a snowflake. I'm a mess and you're the picture of health.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:11 PM (0PDHs)

665 Yeah ace I try to as happy go lucky as you, it's tough.

Meanwhile you're yelling at me because you're fed up with people who have never had to lose weight? I'm fat for fucks sake. You saw me on TV.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:13 PM (0PDHs)

666 still, most people who need to lose 40 pounds need big lifestyle changes. So, a thing like OMAD may seem extreme when maybe just less carbs and more gym works. But we're pushing the envelope here.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:13 PM (JziUy)

667 Good post, Ace, and I missed the early commenting, but you seem to be still around. I'm glad this was a long post, because before I finished reading (and I did finish), my question to you was gonna be..."So what are you doing all this for?", but you pretty much explained that later in the post.

I'm pretty much on the other end of the spectrum, I'm that short skinny guy. I peaked a couple weeks ago at I think 158 from my normal 140-145-ish normal weight (I may or may not have had some "Jackstraw" around the house, which may or may not have contributed to my sudden gain, lol).

I'm a runner and rucker, not particularly strong, but when I was in the best shape of my life about 5 years ago (I'm about 80% on my second lap of age 29), I could literally guess/evaluate my weight before I stepped on the scale and be within 1 lb, every damned time.

It's awesome to be so in tune with your body you can do that, and feel every change.
I've been real slack last few years, tho, with life shit going on. Hovering around 150 if I don't run it off, starting to get a bit of the Shatner Build going on. I'm running a minute slower 1-mile pace, on a good day.
This getting old shit is tough.

Posted by: Oedipus at June 20, 2019 10:13 PM (CXLVd)

668 >>>.You sure seem touchy as well for being so 100% confident in your fasting lifestyle.

actually, not touchy, you've been anklebiting me about this all night and and I didn't say boo before. I just told you that we have different priorities and may therefore pursue different regimes.

You're the one who's turning into a butthurt sissy to hear that someone isn't pursuing his exact plan.

Hey, how much protein powder do you use per day? Down to the microgram, please -- I need to make sure I'm following the Broseidon Plan for Physical Excellence down to the ninth significant digit.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:13 PM (PbpT7)

669 >>> I'm fat for fucks sake. You saw me on TV.

actually I didn't, I didn't watch.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:14 PM (PbpT7)

670 But thanks ace. Already in a pretty shitty place, it's fucking awesome to have the blog host run me down because I'm not a fan of his new pet fitness habit.

Want to say anything else? Maybe mock my dead relatives or something?

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:14 PM (0PDHs)

671 Someone needs a Snickers...

Posted by: t-bird at June 20, 2019 10:15 PM (OiC69)

672 >>>Want to say anything else? Maybe mock my dead relatives or something?

i'll stick with the depression but thanks.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:15 PM (PbpT7)

673 Black hole walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Bartender asks if he wants food with that.

Black hole says, nah. I'm a light eater.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 10:16 PM (pUDQf)

674 How did you do running commentary with jokes about pretending I was the gay guy if you didn't watch any of it? I mean I guess you could have picked it up from other comments but it sure seemed like you watched.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:16 PM (0PDHs)

675 Cool, it's probably the depression that will kill me, but if you ever find out fasting cures that too because it's magic then maybe I have a chance.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:18 PM (0PDHs)

676 >>>ow did you do running commentary with jokes about pretending I was the gay guy

how could I make two comments about someone being gay?

I must have done a lot of show-prep for that kind of thing.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:18 PM (PbpT7)

677 Nice GAINZZZ Ace.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/364573.php helped me to lose about twenty pounds almost three years ago. Those GAINZZZ are still without me within a +/- 5 lb range. Thanks for said archive post.

Posted by: Marooned at June 20, 2019 10:18 PM (8hRlF)

678 No but you commented on the category we were in and that I got the figure skating question right and I don't remember posters doing like a running tally of every question I got right.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:20 PM (0PDHs)

679 >>>http://ace.mu.nu/archives/364573.php helped me to lose about twenty pounds almost three years ago. Those GAINZZZ are still without me within a +/- 5 lb range. Thanks for said archive post.

great, good to hear it.

But Broseidon says YOUR LIFE IS A LIE.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:20 PM (PbpT7)

680 >>>678 No but you commented on the category we were in and that I got the figure skating question right and I don't remember posters doing like a running tally of every question I got right.

wow.

This... this means a lot to you, huh?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:21 PM (PbpT7)

681 Yeah I'm trying to make everyone fat, you caught me. I'm actually a secret agent for the FDA.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:21 PM (0PDHs)

682 Broseidon, you're a good guy, and I don't want to attack you.

But you're going to have to accept that other people are going to do different things than you do. I never once said to you, "Dude, you're an idiot to keep lifting weights instead of cutting first and bulking later!"

I intentionally just said I was pursuing a different priority. I cast no aspersions whatsoever on yours. None at all.

You, on the other hand, seem to take what I have chosen for myself as an affront to you and something close to a physical assault.

We are doing different things. We consult different experts. We read different books.

Just accept it. You can always explain your regime here, and what results you've gotten from it.

I have never knocked what you're doing, whatever that is. (You're not super-specific apart from weight training and deadlifts.)

But you are attracted like a moth to a flame to attack me whenever I say what I'm doing.

What. Is. The. Problem?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:24 PM (PbpT7)

683 Yeah, it does mean something to me that this place celebrated my performance. So I remember pretty much everything posted that day. I know it can't compare to the joys of fasting but yeah, it was the best day of my life so far and it was a bit of a big deal to me.

If you really didn't watch, okay. Even if you hate me I still appreciate that you made the thread for it.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:24 PM (0PDHs)

684 My friend was complaining about his water bill.

I sent him a Get Well card.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 10:26 PM (pUDQf)

685 Alabama,

I see what you're doing, and I appreciate it, but your jokes suck so bad they're making me physically angry and I want to kill you.

just kidding

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:26 PM (PbpT7)

686 Lol

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 10:27 PM (pUDQf)

687 For not wanting to attack me you kind of attacked me a lot.

I don't know why these topics bug me. It isn't you - it does tend to attract some lurkers with a cult mentality though. It's probably that I'm in a bad place and the same thing that bothers you about diet advice bothers me about mental health advice, so when people stride in and pretend to have all the answes I tend to want to press them a bit. I should probably just avoid these. Which is funny because I remember being the first one to ask permission to talk about weight lifting gains since the topic was originally just weight loss.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:28 PM (0PDHs)

688 >>>still, most people who need to lose 40 pounds need big lifestyle changes. So, a thing like OMAD may seem extreme when maybe just less carbs and more gym works. But we're pushing the envelope here.

40 pounds isn't even a lot for current day america. A lot of people have to lose 100, 150 pounds.

I mean, the "just don't eat as much for a week" plan isn't really going to work for them.

As you say, some problems are bigger, and require bigger interventions.

I'm not saying fasting -- though IF is useful, and so is keto or paleo -- but I would say that saying "just don't eat as much for a week to lose those extra COUPLE of pounds" isn't advice so much as it's straight-up bragging: "I don't have any weight to lose. Suck on that, ya idiots!"

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:29 PM (PbpT7)

689 I'm proud of you, man.

Worried occasionally, but so long as you stay healthy, you do you.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 20, 2019 10:33 PM (xJa6I)

690 685 Alabama,

I see what you're doing, and I appreciate it, but your jokes suck so bad they're making me physically angry and I want to kill you.

just kidding
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:26 PM (PbpT7)

lol

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 20, 2019 10:33 PM (t6MX/)

691 But I'm sorry I'm being the asshole fly in everyone's potato salad. I never said people shouldnt do this - anything that actually works for people is something they should keep doing. And now I'll go stew in a shame spiral because I am, after all, a roiling ball of depression.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:35 PM (0PDHs)

692 I cannot calorie count for crap. That process is hard as hell to keep up. Weight watchers made an industry out of it.

But IF or straight up fasting for a day or two pretty much guarantees you will start burning fat instead of current food intake.

That's the only thing I can do to attack the stubborn fat that just won't go away. Seems a no brained at least. Don't eat. Body burns fat stores.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 10:35 PM (pUDQf)

693 692
I cannot calorie count for crap. That process is hard as hell to keep up. Weight watchers made an industry out of it.

But IF or straight up fasting for a day or two pretty much
guarantees you will start burning fat instead of current food intake.

That's the only thing I can do to attack the stubborn fat that just
won't go away. Seems a no brained at least. Don't eat. Body burns fat
stores.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 10:35 PM (pUDQf)

I actually did really well on WW and got down to my goal weight a few years back. Gained it all back though. Hubs is pre-diabetic and having all kinds of health problems, so I decided to put us on a low carb diet.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 10:36 PM (wvGlN)

694 >>>Worried occasionally, but so long as you stay healthy, you do you.

thanks but I do keep telling people: I worry too, and get super panicky about this every since my dehydration episode (which was not, as I've said, directly connected to fasting).

I have a natural cowardice and weakness that tends to make me stop fasting before I'm in any kind of danger.

i only did the 12 fast because some n00b showed me up.

all that said, fasting can be dangerous, but seriously, it's not that dangerous, and not so *frequently* dangerous.

Hell, most of the examples of refeeding syndrome come from like refugees and concentration camp survivors going into shock after finally eating after years of starvation.

is it a real thing? Yes. Is it likely to kill someone living in America and generally over-nourished rather than long-term malnourished? No.

And I do always refeed slowly, though "slow" is a relative term; I've found from past experience that I can refeed pretty quickly.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:37 PM (PbpT7)

695 I can sleep under almost any circumstances (except heat). I would absolutely love very long days.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 20, 2019 09:42 PM (9hauA)

I hate hot weather and the long days aren't bad if I use blackout curtains because it only gets dusky here for like 45 minutes, then kaboom.

Seriously, if you dress appropriately, Alaska winter really isn't as awful as people make it out to be - it's not like the entire state sits on the Arctic Ocean.

Chop a little wood every day all summer to have enough for winter, and you'll sleep well. Just do it in the evening because it's cooler - 70 degrees freaking wipes me out.

Posted by: Lisl at June 20, 2019 10:38 PM (Ov5e7)

696 hmm apparently manute bol's kid is gonna get drafted tonight. and he may go to golden state which will make a lot of NBA fans sad.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:39 PM (JziUy)

697 >>>I cannot calorie count for crap. That process is hard as hell to keep up. Weight watchers made an industry out of it.

But IF or straight up fasting for a day or two pretty much guarantees you will start burning fat instead of current food intake.

...

see, this is what I always say.

Someone asks me, why don't you just take pictures of yoru food and log it on one of those foodtracking programs and calculate your macros etc?

And I'm like: Because that's super-gay and I won't ever do that? EVER?

I mean, here's one good thing about fasting: It is conceptually very, very simple. Not a lot to think about or calculate!

You really can't get more simple, apart from some advice about electrolytes and water.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:39 PM (PbpT7)

698 Well hey I'm so depressed that I just realized I didnt eat dinner. So I guess I fasted today. Nice!

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at June 20, 2019 10:39 PM (0PDHs)

699 Are GAINZZZ threads also vegan hate threads? 99% of Vegans are the worst kinds of Commie totalitarian fucksticks afterall.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 10:40 PM (yv6t0)

700 >>>699 Are GAINZZZ threads also vegan hate threads? 99% of Vegans are the worst kinds of Commie totalitarian fucksticks afterall.

I try not to do that, because i dont' want to knock anyone's choices. there is arguably a case for many different approaches.

Though... I really think vegans are off the mark.

But zombie says it works for her, and who am I to say she's wrong?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:43 PM (PbpT7)

701 40 pounds isn't even a lot for current day america. A lot of people have to lose 100, 150 pounds.

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yeah, 100 pounds may become a fulltime job.

1. control yo mouth. duh.
2. build muscle.
3. cardio, HIIT
4. repeat steps 1 - 3 for about a year.

the devil, my friends, is in the details.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:43 PM (JziUy)

702 You really can't get more simple, apart from some advice about electrolytes and water.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:39 PM (PbpT7

Bingo. I bought the calorie books. Scales. Measured shit out and all that. Wrote it all down. Did that for two months. Started at 185. Ended at 185.

Frustrating shit. So I tried fasting.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 10:44 PM (pUDQf)

703 BTW, someone can do a vegan Atkins. A woman I know was very heavy, and had one of the biggest transformations I've ever seen pursuing (somehow!) a low carb vegan diet.

I don't know how that's possible, but she did it.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:45 PM (PbpT7)

704 But zombie says it works for her, and who am I to say she's wrong?

Her?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 10:45 PM (fuK7c)

705 >>>
1. control yo mouth. duh.
2. build muscle.
3. cardio, HIIT
4. repeat steps 1 - 3 for about a year.

a year?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:45 PM (PbpT7)

706 zombie is a vegan? That freaking legend is a vegan. Boy was I wrong casting aspersions on Vegans. I'll keep it contained to Commie And SJW Vegans only.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 10:46 PM (yv6t0)

707 zombie is a very hawt vegan
It's amazing

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 20, 2019 10:47 PM (dm05u)

708 I'd say counting calories is futile. Knowing your food is better. The body is not a campfire, it's a very very complex machine.

so, step 1 of controlling your rat-hole includes:

1A. know what foods make you fat.

carbs, duh.
but a lot of processed foods and seed oils do too.

1b. eating less won't kill you.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:47 PM (JziUy)

709 a year?

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I mean, how long does it take to really lose 100 pounds of fat? You spent a lifetime nursing it.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:49 PM (JziUy)

710 I've toyed with the idea of becoming a vegetarian. I know this will get me mocked around here but I'm a softie for animals and I hate the thought that something has to die for me to eat. But I never go through with it. I like meat too much.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 10:49 PM (wvGlN)

711 What about the raw meat eaters? I think they may be the last to survive the burning times, they eat old meat raw, spoiled meat, raw organs, and they taunt no zombie vegan rallies.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 10:49 PM (yv6t0)

712 zombie is a very hawt vegan
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her?

and

hawt?

hmm...

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:49 PM (JziUy)

713 vmom you're carnivore right?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:50 PM (PbpT7)

714 707 zombie is a very hawt vegan
It's amazing
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 20, 2019 10:47 PM (dm05u)

I think I saw a pic that zombie said was a "sibling" a couple of years ago. Freaking smokeshow!

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 10:51 PM (yv6t0)

715 I would imagine that realistically, even assuming very good compliance, someone can't really lose more than 50 pounds a year on a conventional diet. Even if they're very heavy.

More realistically, people are going to fall of the diets from time to time and regain.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:53 PM (PbpT7)

716 Another raw meat eater sv3rage (?) claims cancer is good for you. I do enjoy Primal Edge Health guy.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 10:53 PM (yv6t0)

717 >>>I've toyed with the idea of becoming a vegetarian. I know this will get me mocked around here but I'm a softie for animals and I hate the thought that something has to die for me to eat. But I never go through with it. I like meat too much.

I really like animals too, in a childish way, so I just don't think about it much.

I used to feed and provide a hutch for a feral rabbit who got accustomed to being hand-fed. It's hard to eat rabbit after that. (Yet... I eventually did.)

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:55 PM (PbpT7)

718 Just my 2 cents. I'm on the keto diet. But I've been bad because the last two weekends I had guests, a funeral for my friend's 100 year old dad, and father's day/sons birthday. So, three weeks in I have lost 14 lbs, and I eat bacon, and creamy salad dressing, and veggies, and tomatoes. Best diet I have ever been on.

I highly recommend it. I'm not hungry for snacks in the afternoon or when I come home from work, and I'm not starving for lunch come that time. I don't know how I missed this for so long.

Thanks Ace. I owe it to you and the horde.

Posted by: Brett Kavanaugh at June 20, 2019 10:56 PM (1T0t0)

719 715
I would imagine that realistically, even assuming very good compliance,
someone can't really lose more than 50 pounds a year on a conventional
diet. Even if they're very heavy.

More realistically, people are going to fall of the diets from time to time and regain.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:53 PM (PbpT7)

I actually lost 60 from October to July, and I'm a woman in my 40's. I went from 197 to 137. Lost the first 20 on Atkins and the last 40 on WW. Like I said though, I gained it all back.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 10:56 PM (wvGlN)

720 Oh, my doctor prescribed me biodentical GH. I'll report the GAINZZZ next thread in a couple of months. Time to level up!
Thanks again, enjoy your evenings and sleep well!

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 10:56 PM (yv6t0)

721 More realistically, people are going to fall of the diets from time to time and regain.

----

here's one thing, changing diet to eat smarter...

you fall off the wagon to eat thanksgiving dinner, a few thou extra calories, no biggie.

but you shouldn't fall off the wagon to have a sugar mainlining soyfest like the one that got you super-fat in the first place. Most folks spend 16 hours a day cramming down the bad calories.

Those days should be gone forever, even if you have a cookie, from time to time, after breaking your fast.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:57 PM (JziUy)

722 Like I said though, I gained it all back.

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what did you do? return to bad bad baaad eating? just stop exercising? hit the bottle?

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:58 PM (JziUy)

723 713 vmom you're carnivore right?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 10:50 PM (PbpT7)

yes
but I drink coffee too

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 20, 2019 10:58 PM (dm05u)

724 what did you do? return to bad bad baaad eating? just stop exercising? hit the bottle?

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 10:58 PM (JziUy)

I never did exercise much, and I don't drink. It was the bad eating habits that crept back and got me. I'm about 15 lbs down in my current attempt though.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 11:00 PM (wvGlN)

725 >>>I actually lost 60 from October to July, and I'm a woman in my 40's. I went from 197 to 137. Lost the first 20 on Atkins and the last 40 on WW. Like I said though, I gained it all back.

well, like I said, I think a realistic projection of weight loss should include the very likely scenario of reversals.

but anyway, good gainzzz! Maybe try again when you're up to it.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:01 PM (PbpT7)

726 I'm not a carnivore for weight loss though, I'm doing it to work on chronic health issues

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 20, 2019 11:02 PM (dm05u)

727 Doctor is a very athletic fit woman btw. Interesting afterthought IMHO. Night, Gators.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 20, 2019 11:02 PM (yv6t0)

728 Thanks Ace, I really love these threads because they are very motivating!

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 11:03 PM (wvGlN)

729 bad eating habits

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interesting, like how bad? I think IF'ing and OMAD makes me feel like I'm sort of Egyptian king of sheeba for having a second meal in a day, let alone daring to put a sweetener in my coffee.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 11:05 PM (JziUy)

730 332
Sadly, as an asocial recluse who rarely watches the news, i missed out on most of Pride Month. Was it worth staying up for?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 20, 2019 11:03 PM (Wx/+I)

Seconded. I never considered fasting till these threads. I'm an engineer. I like stuff that works.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2019 11:09 PM (pUDQf)

731 >>>726 I'm not a carnivore for weight loss though, I'm doing it to work on chronic health issues

I know someone doing it for that reason, too. Inflammation/auto-immune type stuff, if I can ask? And if I can't, just ignore me.

Jordan Peterson's daughter did that. I don't know what malady she had. I think it was a serious one.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:09 PM (PbpT7)

732 interesting, like how bad? I think IF'ing and OMAD
makes me feel like I'm sort of Egyptian king of sheeba for having a
second meal in a day, let alone daring to put a sweetener in my coffee.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 11:05 PM (JziUy)

Like eating whatever the eff I felt like it whenever I felt like it, which is pretty much how I've been my entire life. It's really, really hard to change those habits at this age, but I'm trying hard.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 20, 2019 11:09 PM (wvGlN)

733 ok good night horde
try and sleep
It's good for gainzz

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 20, 2019 11:10 PM (dm05u)

734 I keep thinking about doing pure carnivore for a month.

But where do you get the fat? I know meat has some, but only like 20%, right?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:10 PM (PbpT7)

735 Oh a carnivore question
Eat fatty meat
Rib eye if you can afford it
Other fatty cuts
Pork belly, bacon, etc

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 20, 2019 11:15 PM (dm05u)

736 butter, homey, butter.

Tufano or Vegetable Police talked about that.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 20, 2019 11:17 PM (JziUy)

737 Just make sure you gave lots of meat ready to eat the first week because the carb cravings can be off the charts even if you are already keto

Then some ppl go thru a "no I hate meat I won't eat anything " phase for a couple of days, you need to eat anyway if you feel weak, or mad, or full of ennui

It's like your hunger signals change

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 20, 2019 11:19 PM (dm05u)

738 Thanks for another fascinating GAINZZ thread, Ace. I've done some fasting in my life, probably four days was the longest, and that was enough for me. I'm 60, and I've been fighting the good fight against sloth and flab since I got done with college and got my first ass-sitting job. Add a happy marriage, and forty pounds later I was jiggly and disgusted with myself. I quit smoking and started running. I hit the weights pretty hard for a time. I studied Tae Kwon Do, and then an Americanized version that was much better -- got my black belt when I was 40. Then the Middle-Aged Blues came and got me: years of parents getting sick and dying, kids being tough and expensive to raise, not being able to afford a Ferrari, and some other choice benefits of aging through your fifties and beyond. You'll find out, eventually.

This year I discovered Title Boxing, and I'm obsessed with it now. It's a chain of fitness centers based on boxing workouts on a heavy bag, and it's a fantastic workout. I've rarely been in better shape than I am right now. It's not going to make you a real fighter or heavyweight champ of the world, but it will get your cardio motor running and you get to beat the shit out of the bag for eight rounds per visit, bracketed by an intense warmup and semi-brutal ab workout at the end. Highly recommend to anyone looking for something different besides running, weights, yoga, etc.

This is running too long, but I've also done most of the diets out there at one time or another, including six months of strict Keto. I lost a good thirty pounds on that, but then suddenly it stopped working for me, and I couldn't sleep at night, despite doing all the things they tell you to do (fat bombs, bone broth, etc.). I also love bread, fruit and pasta, so that diet's not my happy place. Ok, bye!

Posted by: Octopus at June 20, 2019 11:19 PM (A2KHh)

739 >>>Thanks for another fascinating GAINZZ thread, Ace. I've done some fasting in my life, probably four days was the longest, and that was enough for me.

that's where it gets the hardest, usually it gets easier either day 5 or day 6!

>>>This is running too long, but I've also done most of the diets out there at one time or another, including six months of strict Keto. I lost a good thirty pounds on that, but then suddenly it stopped working for me, and I couldn't sleep at night, despite doing all the things they tell you to do

maybe try Time Restricted Eating along with keto? Hitting it from a new angle might break a stall.

Anyway, sounds like you're doing a good job overall. congrats!

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:22 PM (PbpT7)

740 thanks vmom... I don't know if that'll be enough fat, but I'll try that one of these days.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:24 PM (PbpT7)

741 I have to look up if cream and cheese are "carnivore."

I have a bad feeling the answer is "No."

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:24 PM (PbpT7)

742 from some website:

What to Eat on the Carnivore Diet
Your primary focus should be on fatty meat, especially BEEF.

Lamb, pork, chicken, and fish are next on your list.

And...if you'd like...eggs, and low carb dairy products like butter, heavy whipping cream and hard cheeses.

....

hmmmmm.....

I might be able to do that.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:28 PM (PbpT7)

743 i imagine the no-soft-cheeses rule is about live cultures, which I guess hard cheese wouldn't have?

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:29 PM (PbpT7)

744 Cream and cheese are animal derived and therefore allowed, but not optimal

In other words you can eat it if you want to

But some ppl find it doesn't agree with them after a while

Some ppl who really want to focus on healing will fo strict beef and water only for 30 days
Haven't tried that myself

I have found put that eggs don't agree with me though

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 20, 2019 11:30 PM (dm05u)

745 >>>But some ppl find it doesn't agree with them after a while

i can't quit cheese. I just can't.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:32 PM (PbpT7)

746 I thought cultures in dairy (yogurt) was about probiotics. Why would that be proscribed?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 11:33 PM (fuK7c)

747 >>>746 I thought cultures in dairy (yogurt) was about probiotics. Why would that be proscribed?

1, I was just guessing.

2, carnivore people are usually pretty strict. Meat and animal products are allowed. Whatever cultures make cheese are not meat products and thus not allowed.

Part of this diet is for purposes of eliminating all foods which may be causing bad reactions/inflammation so it's not really too persnickety to say "no live bacteria cultures." Who knows, those might be causing bad health.

Jordan Peterson's daughter used this diet to cure/reverse some serious issue she was having.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:38 PM (PbpT7)

748 Carnivores don't really do probiotics since meat doesn't need all that to digest- our bodies digest meat directly

Hard or soft cheese doesn't matter really imo but some feel soft cheeses are too carby - personally unless you are lactose intolerant I think it's up to you

That said most of your sustenance should be red meat

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 20, 2019 11:40 PM (dm05u)

749 I mean, those might be causing bad health in SOME people.

There are a bunch of elimination protocols which are all about eliminating entire families of foods, in case those have some chemical that you're responding badly to. Nightshades like peppers and tomatoes, for example, are something some people have a problem with. Wheat, obviously.

Anyway, live bacteria might be a problem for some people.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:40 PM (PbpT7)

750 >>> some feel soft cheeses are too carby

triple cream cheeses are almost all fat. They inject the fat of lesser cheeses into the cheese.

They are also delicious. A commenter here suggested a cheap italian one, something like tagliano or something. Really good.

the more expensive ones like Brillat-Savarin and Epousse are even better, but so pricey they can only be occasional indulgences.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:42 PM (PbpT7)

751 Epoisse, I meant.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:44 PM (PbpT7)

752 I've never even heard of those cheeses - lucky for my wallet

It is a good way to figure out what food does not agree with you

KTE, who is a lax (not strict) carnivore, found out that chicken gives her problems

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 20, 2019 11:48 PM (dm05u)

753 Sort of rando gut bacteria story, but if ace is still playing I'll still play.

I have a hippie friend who is a holistic veterinarian. All of the mockery is obvious, but she's a smart girl. U Penn vet school. And because she's a hippie she's vegetarian.

Well she got some IBS that was untreatable. She tried everything. She came upon fecal transplants as an answer. She asked me to be a poop donor. We'd been out of touch for years, I was so flattered that she thought I'd be the guy to be the poop donor. Of course I would!

I had to send in a poop sample for a poop compatibility test and it took a year to get results. In the meantime she had solved her issue by...

eating meat.

Still kind of happy that she trusted me for the poop.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 20, 2019 11:52 PM (fuK7c)

754 the cheaper italian cheese is taleggio.

I can never remember that.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2019 11:53 PM (PbpT7)

755 Ace, I'm not going to go through over 750 comments, but I will say that I am concerned about your approach. Get some bariatric surgery if nothing seems to work. Starvation is not medically sound.

Posted by: skzion at June 20, 2019 11:54 PM (vqSpp)

756 Can Brown bread in a can still be had?

Posted by: Quilp at June 21, 2019 12:16 AM (Bf3hj)

757 When I did the fast thing, on day 3 the whites of my eyes started turning jaundice like. When I broke the fast, it went away after a day or so. Strange? I have Gilbert's (over production of bilirubin) mayhaps that has something to do with it?

Posted by: secret squirrel at June 21, 2019 12:25 AM (qBLwo)

758 I've been fasting for 14 hrs, from dinner to breakfast. Hasn't helped too much for weight loss because then I think I can eat donuts and pasta and all that, but it has helped my cholesterol numbers and has improved my bone density so I no longer am in osteoporosis! My doc says IF stimulates healing hormones throughout the system, so I will keep on.
Ace, hope you are doing these fasts under supervision!

Posted by: pj at June 21, 2019 12:27 AM (qlTN9)

759 755 Ace, I'm not going to go through over 750 comments, but I will say that I am concerned about your approach. Get some bariatric surgery if nothing seems to work. Starvation is not medically sound.

Since you're a doctor, you should know that bariatric surgery is FAR more dangerous than fasting, when the latter is done properly, as Ace is doing. He goes to the Real Doctor all the time for blood tests and whatnot, for example. I would be concerned about this fasting kick as well, if Ace wasn't under medical supervision while doing it.

One thing about extreme diets like this one is the dreaded Rebound Effect. The body thinks it's going to starve to death, and is therefore on the lookout for any stray calories to dump into the fat-stores once you quit the program. And let's face it, extreme fasting is a self-limiting practice for most people, and food is frickin' awesome. Be ready to start exercising like a madman when you stop fasting. Otherwise, you'll end up huge and fused to your futon, physically joined with the thing, and unable to leave your house/bunker without having walls removed.
See: Charles Johnson, Little Green Footballs

Posted by: Octopus at June 21, 2019 12:28 AM (A2KHh)

760 I've been doing IF for a few years now. I haven't noticed any big weight changes, but I think about food much less than before. Rarely do I have pig-out sessions like I used to. Occasionally I just have one meal a day, dinner. For me I do this to keep from becoming a blimp like my older brother and for the bet that it increases longevity and healthier longevity.

I wonder if anyone has done research on whether or not people who were almost starved for long periods (e.g. POWs, Holocaust survivors, etc.) who survived long periods of food deprivation end up eventually living longer than average.

I might be wrong, but for some reason it seems to me many people who were almost starved to death in the WWII era ended up living long lives.

I believe Okinawans have more centenarians per capita than any other people on earth. One aspect of their traditional culture was never eating until one felt full. Probably genes, too.

Congratulations on the fast. That's quite an achievement!

Posted by: LukeHandCool at June 21, 2019 12:50 AM (i/5Jz)

761 Batshit crazy way to diet. Normal, emotionally intelligent people eat properly and exercise regularly.
You people are freaks led by a numpty.

Posted by: Try eating vegetables at June 21, 2019 12:57 AM (Zmst5)

762 I dunno, I'm sure the American fasting experiment will turn out a lot better than the American soy, transfat, and cornsyrup experiment.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 21, 2019 12:57 AM (JziUy)

763 761 Batshit crazy way to diet. Normal, emotionally intelligent people eat properly and exercise regularly.
You people are freaks led by a numpty.
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The word "normal" stands out to me, here. Because normal isn't normal, all people are unique with wildly-different backgrounds, habits and physicality. Americans are morbidly obese, by and large. Or, "bi" and large. But large they are! A lot of them have, like, lymphedemas hanging off them. It's a bad look. A little fasting can only help.

Also, you're a dickhead.

Posted by: Octopus at June 21, 2019 01:17 AM (A2KHh)

764 700 >>>699 Are GAINZZZ threads also vegan hate threads? 99% of Vegans are the worst kinds of Commie totalitarian fucksticks afterall.

I try not to do that, because i dont' want to knock anyone's choices. there is arguably a case for many different approaches.

Though... I really think vegans are off the mark.

But zombie says it works for her, and who am I to say she's wrong?

Posted by: ace

I'm not vegan -- I'm vegetarian. Which means I eat dairy products, eggs, etc. The only thing I DON'T eat is meat.

Also, I'm not a "political vegetarian" -- I simply don't eat meat for my own reasons (makes me feel better). I don't maker a thing out of it. I never ever criticize or browbeat anyone eat who eats meat. Fine by me. Eat what you want. Your choices have nothing to do with me, so chow on down.

I hate political vegans as much as meat eaters hate them. Heck., I even hate political vegetarians, even though I am a fellow vegetarian. What they're doing is combining dietary choices with fascism. Me, I'm a laissez-faire vegetarian: Everyone is free to eat, or not eat, anything the hell they want.

So yeah, I guess I do combine politics with dietary choice -- but I choose the RIGHT KIND of politics -- i.e. freedom-centric politics.

Posted by: zombie at June 21, 2019 02:23 AM (oFcdC)

765 Yikes. Sounds very dangerous.

Posted by: Chouinard at June 21, 2019 05:35 AM (ua1m6)

766 Ace -
I know you check back on the Gainzz threads occasionally. I think with your height your body fat percentage is much much lower then you think. My daughter dated a male model who appeared in an issue of some fashion magazine with a bunch of other dudes. No ghey, but I checked the dudes out. All in the range of 5'11 to 6'2. Every one had a weight that corresponded to 2.5 pounds of weight for every inch of height. I would assume that they all had six packs and hit the gym. Not every one was pictured shirtless.

So if you're at 163# in weight, you're already a little scrawny. Your (let me call it) 'model weight' would be at around 171 pounds. I'd suggest laying off the fasting, and work on muscle building and definition.

When I'm at 2.5 pounds of weight for every inch of height I'm down around 12% to 14% body fat and very very happy when I look in the mirror. There's another metric I use which is height to waist. Everything under 50% is good. My goal is always .43% which is about 10% body fat.

If you're having someone calculate body fat for you I would question their procedure or equipment. 19.1% simply does not correspond.

Posted by: Public Service Announcement at June 21, 2019 06:56 AM (jYje5)

767 >>> and finally a blood tester.
But Ive been unable to find the latter two.
Posted by: Northern Lurker

Aww, sad I missed a gainz thread!!

NL, I use a Keto Mojo to test my blood glucose and my ketones. Love it.

If there be a second deplorable gourmet, I will happily put in fat bomb recipes. The easiest one I do is chocolate covered nuts: Lilys chocolate, with some MCT oil to make it pliable, and macadamia nuts. Then freeze in pretty molds and thaw as needed. I also have some Pb fat bombs and fake cheesecake ones.

Posted by: LizLem at June 21, 2019 11:22 AM (TnaCl)

768 Fasting that long is going to slow down your metabolism so that when you start eating again you are likely to gain weight much quicker.

Posted by: Chris at June 21, 2019 08:50 PM (DQZxG)

769 You survived? That's a shame.

Posted by: DTAOS at June 23, 2019 12:46 PM (M6DMT)

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