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Sunday Morning Book Thread 06-02-2019
Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, crétins sans pantalon, thugs, pugs, hornswogglers, Methodists and everybody who's holding your beer. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, writing, and publishing by escaped oafs who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, which look absolutely appalling, even on Houston fans.
Pic Note What are those empty shelves doing up there on the second level? NEED MOAR BOOKS!
It Pays To Increase Your Word Power® Meaning "without any hope of recovery", the expression HIGH AND DRY originally referred to boats and ships that had been beached for so long that their timbers had dried out, rendering them unusable. Usage: Kind of like this, then, only perhaps higher up on the beach:
CLFA Book(s) of the Year The voting has concluded, and here are the results of the Conservative-Libertarian Fiction Alliance Book of the Year 2019 contest. Our own Jack July (Oldsailor's Poet) came in 3rd for his book Amy Lynn: hostaet, the fifth of his Amy Lynn series.
It's Not History, It's Howard Zinn I guess that rat bastard commie Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States has been a standard high school text book for a number of years now. Which would explain why most high school graduates are completely ignorant of actual history. This is a battlefield that conservatives have totally lost, or should I say, gave up without a fight. Most of us didn't realize what was happening, this long march through the institutions by the rat bastard commies, until it was too late. Zinn is only good if you want to teach students to hate their past, hate their upbringing, hate their parents, and hate their very lives. All it can do is fill them with self-loathing and contempt for everything that they know and have ever experienced. Which, obviously, was Zinn's intent. But in order to discard Zinn's execrable propaganda text, we need something to replace it with. As a wise man once said, you can't beat something with nothing. So, what do we have? Do we have anything, particularly something that could be used as a high school history text. As a matter of fact, we do. We have the newly published Land of Hope: An Invitation to the Great American Story by historian Wilfred M. McClay of the University of Oklahoma. In contrast to existing history texts, which
...are more likely to reflect the skeptical or partial outlook of specialized professional academic historians...[o]r they disproportionately reflect the outlook of radical critics of American society, whose one-sided accounts lack the balance of a larger perspective and have had an enormous, and largely negative, effect upon the teaching of American history in American high schools and colleges.Emphasis mine. A good overview of what this book is about is here. The bottom line is, do we want the history of our country taught by historians who hate America, or by those who love her?
This state of affairs cannot continue for long without producing serious consequences. A great nation needs and deserves a great and coherent narrative, as an expression of its own self-understanding; and it needs to be able to convey that narrative to its young effectively. It perhaps goes without saying that such a narrative cannot be a fairy tale or a whitewash of the past; it will not be convincing if it is not truthful. But there is no necessary contradiction between an honest account of the American past and an inspiring one. This account seeks to provide both.
Moron Recommendations Memorial Day brought out a couple of good, military-themed recommendations:
178 I always miss the book thread because church, but anyone who's looking for an on-point book to read should check out The Unknowns by Patrick K. O'Donnell. It's all about the soldiers who were selected to be a part of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier project. Truly awe-inspiring war stories.The Unknowns: The Untold Story of America’s Unknown Soldier and WWI’s Most Decorated Heroes Who Brought Him Home:
Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at May 27, 2019 10:44 AM (adsVM)
When the first Unknown Soldier was laid to rest in Arlington, General John Pershing, commander of the American Expeditionary Force in WWI, seleted eight of America’s most decorated, battle-hardened veterans to serve as Body Bearers. For the first time O’Donnell portrays their heroics on the battlefield one hundred years ago, thereby animating the Tomb by giving voice to all who have served. The Body Bearers appropriately spanned America’s service branches and specialties. Their ranks include a cowboy who relived the charge of the light brigade, an American Indian who heroically breached mountains of German barbed wire, a salty New Englander who dueled a U-boat for hours in a fierce gunfight, a tough New Yorker who sacrificed his body to save his ship, and an indomitable gunner who, though blinded by gas, nonetheless overcame five machine-gun nests. Their stories slip easily into the larger narrative of America’s involvement in the conflict, transporting readers into the midst of dramatic battles during 1917–1918 that ultimately decided the Great War.The Kindle edition is $11.01.
294 There was a great book written back in the early 80's called "America's First Battles" that was mandatory reading for Army officers. It was, I thought, a pretty good expose of the US in the first battles in out first wars, from the Revolutionary War to Viet Nam. Bottom line, we didn't do well and for a lot of reasons.Here is the book he's talking about: America's First Battles, 1776-1965:
Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2019 12:13 PM (0tfLf)
This volume, a collection of eleven original essays by many of the foremost U.S. military historians, focuses on the transition of the Army from parade ground to battleground in each of nine wars the United States has fought. Through careful analysis of organization, training, and tactical doctrine, each essay seeks to explain the strengths and weaknesses evidenced by the outcome of the first significant engagement or campaign of the war. The concluding essay sets out to synthesize the findings and to discover whether or not American first battles manifest a characteristic "rhythm."Only available in hardcover or paperback, no ebook editions. ___________ And now we turn from the world of war to the world of weed:
America's First Battles provides a novel and intellectually challenging view of how America has prepared for war and how operations and tactics have changed over time. The thrust of the book—the emphasis on operational history—is at the forefront of scholarly activity in military history.
28 I finally had a chance to read something I wasn't paid to read, and devoured Tell Your Children by Alex Berenson. It's a history and deep dive into how marijuana affects societies and individuals, especially as it moves toward legalization. I bought it out of curiosity when it was reviewed favorably by both Mother Jones and the National Review. I found it highly enlightening and useful. I'm considering it for high school and college graduation gifts next year.Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence
Posted by: Catherine in MO at May 26, 2019 09:28 AM (6zbVX)
An eye-opening report [that] reveals the link between teenage marijuana use and mental illness, and a hidden epidemic of violence caused by the drug—facts the media have ignored as the United States rushes to legalize cannabis...But legalization has been built on myths– that marijuana arrests fill prisons; that most doctors want to use cannabis as medicine; that it can somehow stem the opiate epidemic; that it is not just harmless but beneficial for mental health. In this meticulously reported book, Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter, explodes those myths.So, it turns out that smoking weed is actually bad for you. The devil you say. And any book that is reviewed favorably by both Mother Jones and the National Review is probably worth looking at. ___________
Read the stunning sequel to @MorlockP's Prometheus-Award-Winning novel about anarchocapitalism, economics, open source software, corporate finance, social media, antigravity, lunar colonization, genetically modified dogs, strong AI… and really big guns.https://t.co/GoFwRI7OiI pic.twitter.com/i0NjjEanJe
— Hans G. Schantz (@AetherCzar) May 28, 2019
Causes of Separation is the 2nd of a 2-part series. The first is The Powers of the Earth and the action takes place in the not-too-distant future:
Earth in 2064 is politically corrupt and in economic decline. The Long Depression has dragged on for 56 years, and the Bureau of Sustainable Research is hard at work making sure that no new technologies disrupt the planned economy. Ten years ago a band of malcontents, dreamers, and libertarian radicals bolted privately-developed anti-gravity drives onto rusty sea-going cargo ships, loaded them to the gills with 20th-century tunnel-boring machines and earthmoving equipment, and set sail - for the Moon.And that's when the fight started. What, a bunch of freedom-loving people living their own lives, indepedently, not bothering anybody else? We can't have that. This reminds me, naturally, of Heinlein's classic novel The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. I'm certain that the similarity is intentional. I like this note from Travis Corcoran, the author:
I came of age reading the great science fiction novels of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, but somewhere between the 1980s and today, though, science fiction went wrong.The Kindle edition for this first book is $4.99, but it's well over 600 pages long, so you get a lot of bang for your buck. And then buy the sequel, 700+ pages for $5.99. ___________
The science, the stories, the heroism that made science fiction great - these have given way to novelisations of TV shows and movies and video games, space melodramas, and stories about social justice, women, and marginalized people. I wanted that great science fiction back - so I wrote the books I wanted to see on the shelves. This is a project to get those books into your hands.
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Tolle Lege
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 09:01 AM (BbGew)
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* throws book at Skip *
Posted by: mindful webworker - click for vids at June 02, 2019 09:02 AM (qjfjx)
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Currently working on a re-read of the Wheel of Time series.
Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2019 09:02 AM (mpXpK)
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Top 10
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 02, 2019 09:02 AM (nDe2U)
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 09:02 AM (BbGew)
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Howdy book nerds.
Read "Native Tongue" by Carl Hiaasen. It's the first book of his I've read and it's a hoot. It takes place in the crazy state of Florida.
It's a crime novel that's centered around The Amazing Kingdom of Thrills, a Disney World wanna-be near Key Largo. Among the wacky characters are: an ex Florida governor who lives in the swamp and dines on roadkill and reads the classics, blue hair eco-warriors, half wit thieves, a cranky killer whale who farts a lot, a gun wielding baboon, and a musclehead security guard who drags around his steroid filled IV bags on an IV stand and dies a gruesomely hilarious death from the sex crazed "Dickie the Dolphin" (dolphins are preverted preverts, that's why they're always smiling).
Some head music.
Air - La Femme D'Argent
(The film is 4 days before the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. It's a perfect symphony of traffic chaos, and it's mesmerizing.)
https://youtu.be/aG9XXbKuYfA
Parov Stelar - Chambermaid Swing
(Some cool electro swing.)
https://youtu.be/QN4tPpJngyM
L7 - Guera
https://youtu.be/fsd0W8BT9i4
Norma Tanega-Walkin' My Cat Named Dog
https://youtu.be/SPZVrmJ2HH8
Read "Native Tongue" by Carl Hiaasen. It's the first book of his I've read and it's a hoot. It takes place in the crazy state of Florida.
It's a crime novel that's centered around The Amazing Kingdom of Thrills, a Disney World wanna-be near Key Largo. Among the wacky characters are: an ex Florida governor who lives in the swamp and dines on roadkill and reads the classics, blue hair eco-warriors, half wit thieves, a cranky killer whale who farts a lot, a gun wielding baboon, and a musclehead security guard who drags around his steroid filled IV bags on an IV stand and dies a gruesomely hilarious death from the sex crazed "Dickie the Dolphin" (dolphins are preverted preverts, that's why they're always smiling).
Some head music.
Air - La Femme D'Argent
(The film is 4 days before the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. It's a perfect symphony of traffic chaos, and it's mesmerizing.)
https://youtu.be/aG9XXbKuYfA
Parov Stelar - Chambermaid Swing
(Some cool electro swing.)
https://youtu.be/QN4tPpJngyM
L7 - Guera
https://youtu.be/fsd0W8BT9i4
Norma Tanega-Walkin' My Cat Named Dog
https://youtu.be/SPZVrmJ2HH8
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at June 02, 2019 09:04 AM (vJVIn)
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If I was to draw that picture of Russian architecture I would have made the under water part rotting and crumbling
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 09:04 AM (BbGew)
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Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading. Mine was eclectic (big surprise) but enjoyable with a few surprises.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 09:05 AM (bmdz3)
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Home Library
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Hey!....It looks just like mine. Except, much larger, infinitely more refined, and not dusty. Other than that, same.
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Hey!....It looks just like mine. Except, much larger, infinitely more refined, and not dusty. Other than that, same.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2019 09:06 AM (w54mS)
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I guess that rat bastard commie Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States has been a standard high school text book for a number of years now.
I checked that book out from the library b4 I knew what it was. Read the first chapter and then skimmed a few more. Took it back the next day.
I guess that rat bastard commie Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States has been a standard high school text book for a number of years now.
I checked that book out from the library b4 I knew what it was. Read the first chapter and then skimmed a few more. Took it back the next day.
Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2019 09:06 AM (mpXpK)
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Have to plug...
Link in nic to pre-order my next book, Crystal Embers.
A civil war ends, and a knight returns home to a land and wife he no longer knows. A wife mourns over her lost child as her husband returns from years of civil strife. Alone, they have nothing, but together perhaps they could rebuild.
Before they can try on their own, though, they encounter a dragon on their land. Swept up in the flying monster's beauty and power, they pack up and leave the home that holds nothing for them anymore.
The pair travel through the war torn countryside, seeing the remnants of violence that plague the land while chasing a dragon that flies above it all.
In a land of dying magic and open wounds, follow the knight and his lady as they search for meaning in a new world for both of them.
Link in nic to pre-order my next book, Crystal Embers.
A civil war ends, and a knight returns home to a land and wife he no longer knows. A wife mourns over her lost child as her husband returns from years of civil strife. Alone, they have nothing, but together perhaps they could rebuild.
Before they can try on their own, though, they encounter a dragon on their land. Swept up in the flying monster's beauty and power, they pack up and leave the home that holds nothing for them anymore.
The pair travel through the war torn countryside, seeing the remnants of violence that plague the land while chasing a dragon that flies above it all.
In a land of dying magic and open wounds, follow the knight and his lady as they search for meaning in a new world for both of them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 02, 2019 09:06 AM (zZbCU)
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Currently reading "The Rommel Papers". I'd long wanted this book and found it in a great used book store in beautiful condition. So far it's an outstanding account of a battlefield commander who fought an "honorable war" as possible.
Published in 1953 from the surviving documents of Erwin Rommel's WW2 diary and letters to his wife and son it's edited by former Capt. B.H. Liddell Hart of the British Army. It includes commentary by Hart, Rommel's son Manfred, and Fritz Bayerlein.
Hart's book is part of the Rommel Myth or Legend that attempts to paint him as a "good German" who fought "a war without hate", especially in North Africa. During WW2 the Nazies used him to improve the morale of Germans following the defeats in N. Africa and against the Soviets. The British and Americans used him too by describing him as a genius to cover up their own failings. After the war when the Western Allies realized they needed the West Germans to help defend against the Soviets they began the rehabilitation of the Wehrmacht and used him as an example of the "Clean Wehrmacht", which is crap. They weren't as dirty as the SS or the Waffen-SS but the Wehrmacht and Rommel swam in the same pigsty. But sometimes you have to ally yourself with evil to combat evil.
Published in 1953 from the surviving documents of Erwin Rommel's WW2 diary and letters to his wife and son it's edited by former Capt. B.H. Liddell Hart of the British Army. It includes commentary by Hart, Rommel's son Manfred, and Fritz Bayerlein.
Hart's book is part of the Rommel Myth or Legend that attempts to paint him as a "good German" who fought "a war without hate", especially in North Africa. During WW2 the Nazies used him to improve the morale of Germans following the defeats in N. Africa and against the Soviets. The British and Americans used him too by describing him as a genius to cover up their own failings. After the war when the Western Allies realized they needed the West Germans to help defend against the Soviets they began the rehabilitation of the Wehrmacht and used him as an example of the "Clean Wehrmacht", which is crap. They weren't as dirty as the SS or the Waffen-SS but the Wehrmacht and Rommel swam in the same pigsty. But sometimes you have to ally yourself with evil to combat evil.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at June 02, 2019 09:07 AM (vJVIn)
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Mornin' all.
Posted by: Weasel at June 02, 2019 09:07 AM (MVjcR)
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Mornin' morons.
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 02, 2019 09:08 AM (wCHZR)
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Powers of the Earth and Causes of Separation were a couple of good fun reads.
Recommendation seconded w/ enthusiasm.
Recommendation seconded w/ enthusiasm.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 02, 2019 09:08 AM (a5hgv)
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Still reading british authors humorous books. Nothing too heavy. I am looking at a copy of the new McCullough book. not reading, just looking!
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 09:10 AM (JFO2v)
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They also make a skort in that hideous pattern. As a longtime Astros fan, I thought about getting it, but the price was NINETY DOLLARS. I might pay 9.
Did someone here recommend Brother Cadfael? I've been enjoying those. Currently rereading Spindle's End, Robin McKinley's retelling of Sleeping Beauty.
Did someone here recommend Brother Cadfael? I've been enjoying those. Currently rereading Spindle's End, Robin McKinley's retelling of Sleeping Beauty.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at June 02, 2019 09:10 AM (rWZ8Y)
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Still working my through 'The Invention That Changed The World'. http://tinyurl.com/yymmtux9
A damned fine book, but quite a tome. A billion pages, or maybe a little less. Extremely well researched and written.
A damned fine book, but quite a tome. A billion pages, or maybe a little less. Extremely well researched and written.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2019 09:10 AM (2qPhT)
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Oh, and I have a sample chapter up for the book.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 02, 2019 09:11 AM (zZbCU)
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Good morning, all. Missed a few of these threads. At least, I think I have.
Working my way through "The Spanish Civil War."
Got the book based on a Book Thread recommendation and thank you very much.
Though, the events leading up to the Spanish civil war might as well have been taken from the pages of current events.
Working my way through "The Spanish Civil War."
Got the book based on a Book Thread recommendation and thank you very much.
Though, the events leading up to the Spanish civil war might as well have been taken from the pages of current events.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:11 AM (WEBkv)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at June 02, 2019 09:11 AM (OB/G2)
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I loved Native Tongue. funny book. Carl always find a way for the bad henchman to die funny (funnily).
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 09:12 AM (JFO2v)
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I read The History of the Future: Oculus, Facebook and the Revolution That Swept Virtual Reality by Blake J. Harris. This books gives a behind the scenes look at a tech start-up. Oculus, founded by Palmer Lucky when he was 19, is bought out by Facebook for $2 billion a few years later. Eventually Zuch screws Palmer over because Palmer supported Trump rather than The Anointed One, Hillary. Very interesting book which gave me another reason to give up my Facebook account.
I also read The 39 Steps by John Buchan. This is the first of the Richard Hannay series published in 1915. Buchan referred to these books as "shockers" which he described as "a story that marches just within the bounds of the possible." This story is a very good, light, fun read.
I also read The 39 Steps by John Buchan. This is the first of the Richard Hannay series published in 1915. Buchan referred to these books as "shockers" which he described as "a story that marches just within the bounds of the possible." This story is a very good, light, fun read.
Posted by: Zoltan at June 02, 2019 09:13 AM (Zgezk)
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Still reading british authors humorous books. Nothing too heavy. I am looking at a copy of the new McCullough book. not reading, just looking!
Posted by: rhennigantx
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My night time in-bed reading is Wodehouse. I should say re-reading, as I've pretty much read everything he ever wrote.
At any rate, something frivolous and light-hearted is a good way to end the day.
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My night time in-bed reading is Wodehouse. I should say re-reading, as I've pretty much read everything he ever wrote.
At any rate, something frivolous and light-hearted is a good way to end the day.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2019 09:13 AM (2qPhT)
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PS If you like Carl then try Tim Dorsey. And I think Native is book #2 in a 2 or 3 part series.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 09:15 AM (JFO2v)
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I read The Myth of the Great War by John Mosier due to it being recommended a while back on the Book Thread. Published in 2001, it is a reappraisal of WWI. Mosier argues quite convincingly that Germany was actually pretty successful when compared to France and Great Britain. The Germans took about half of the casualties sustained by France and Great Britain, and the Allies were on the verge of collapse until America's entry into the war changed the balance of power and Pres. Woodrow Wilson forced an armistice (Germany still occupied a big chunk of France as well as the Low Countries). Germany was doing relatively well because they had better tactics and artillery than the Allies for most of the war. The author used quite a few French and German sources that he translated himself, in addition to English sources. He writes the book primarily from the French and German point of view and has little good to say about the British high command. A very outstanding study of the war, chiefly in the Western Front, that is marred by a lack of good maps: the book really needed a few operational-level maps. Mosier also makes a couple of technical errors when discussing artillery. He also provides a discussion of his sources. Rating = 4.9/5.0
Discussion of the technical errors follow (if uninterested skip to the next entry):
1. Mosier states that the German howitzers had longer range and heavier explosive charges because they could shoot at a high angle. That is somewhat misleading because the ability to shoot at a high angle means that an artillery piece can achieve a given range for a smaller propellant charge when compared to a low angle field gun (such as the French 75mm). The smaller propellant charge means relatively lower chamber pressures which then translates to a thinner projectile wall thickness to prevent sympathetic detonation and, hence, a larger payload for that projectile.
2. He uses the term "mechanical recoil" to refer to the old French artillery pieces that did not have recoil absorbers and "long recoil" to those artillery pieces that do have hydraulic recoil absorbers. I found it a bit distracting because I've never encountered that terminology during my decades of reading military history.
3. During his discussion of how the Germans were replacing manpower with firepower, he mentions that the 150mm howitizers were "guns" that had formerly been corps-level assets were now division-level assets (i.e., pushed down an organization level). Howitzers and guns are two different types of artillery: howitzers have relatively short barrels and shoot at high angles while guns have long barrels and shoot at low angles.
Discussion of the technical errors follow (if uninterested skip to the next entry):
1. Mosier states that the German howitzers had longer range and heavier explosive charges because they could shoot at a high angle. That is somewhat misleading because the ability to shoot at a high angle means that an artillery piece can achieve a given range for a smaller propellant charge when compared to a low angle field gun (such as the French 75mm). The smaller propellant charge means relatively lower chamber pressures which then translates to a thinner projectile wall thickness to prevent sympathetic detonation and, hence, a larger payload for that projectile.
2. He uses the term "mechanical recoil" to refer to the old French artillery pieces that did not have recoil absorbers and "long recoil" to those artillery pieces that do have hydraulic recoil absorbers. I found it a bit distracting because I've never encountered that terminology during my decades of reading military history.
3. During his discussion of how the Germans were replacing manpower with firepower, he mentions that the 150mm howitizers were "guns" that had formerly been corps-level assets were now division-level assets (i.e., pushed down an organization level). Howitzers and guns are two different types of artillery: howitzers have relatively short barrels and shoot at high angles while guns have long barrels and shoot at low angles.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:15 AM (5Yee7)
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Very excited for this Corcoran series. I particularly like the Amazon review by William H Stoddard.
Posted by: motionview at June 02, 2019 09:17 AM (pYQR/)
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The June issue of Early American Life has an article about the Conestoga wagon. My knowledge of them consisted of old black and white episodes of "Wagon Train" with Ward Bond. I was amazed to learn they were developed in the early 1700s by Pennsylvania Dutch farmers to transport farm goods to Philadelphia and other hubs. They were the heavy transports of their day. The article laid out why the methods and materials, which were very specific, were chosen. Even the colors of paint were standard. Roads were established to accomodate the thousands (the number was another surprise) of these wagons in use. There were so many wagons traffic patterns had to be established to avoid accidents and jams.
This the kind of article I really enjoy. It provided plenty of historical context and lots of small details that keep the subject interesting. These details are things like travel times, what types of horses were sought for pulling the wagons, how local economies changed as routes grew longer and went farther west, attitudes of the public toward the teamsters (hint: they were needed but not approved of), even effects on the language. Stogies, meaning cigars, may derive from the local cigars the Conestoga teamsters smoked. 'To arrive with bells on' comes from the hame bells used on the horses. A successful trip meant you could hear them as they approached. I love details like these.
This the kind of article I really enjoy. It provided plenty of historical context and lots of small details that keep the subject interesting. These details are things like travel times, what types of horses were sought for pulling the wagons, how local economies changed as routes grew longer and went farther west, attitudes of the public toward the teamsters (hint: they were needed but not approved of), even effects on the language. Stogies, meaning cigars, may derive from the local cigars the Conestoga teamsters smoked. 'To arrive with bells on' comes from the hame bells used on the horses. A successful trip meant you could hear them as they approached. I love details like these.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 09:17 AM (bmdz3)
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The bottom line is, do we want the history of our country taught by historians who hate America, or by those who love her?
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Ideally, both.
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Ideally, both.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 02, 2019 09:19 AM (ta49A)
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That spiral staircase just isn't right for that room.
Posted by: lowandslow at June 02, 2019 09:22 AM (4thlk)
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Ordinarily, I'm getting ready for church. But today I'm a pagan idol worshiper staying home, so I'll just hang out here with the rest of you heathenish Philistines.
Posted by: Smallish Bees at June 02, 2019 09:22 AM (yjhOG)
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If the woman who dismembered Justin Amash in the sidebar writes a book, I'll buy it.
Hell, if she's single, I'll marry her.
Anyone know who she is?
Hell, if she's single, I'll marry her.
Anyone know who she is?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (+Abq4)
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Working my way through "The Spanish Civil War."
Got the book based on a Book Thread recommendation and thank you very much.
Though, the events leading up to the Spanish civil war might as well have been taken from the pages of current events.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:11 AM (WEBkv)
Is that the Hugh Thomas one?
Got the book based on a Book Thread recommendation and thank you very much.
Though, the events leading up to the Spanish civil war might as well have been taken from the pages of current events.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:11 AM (WEBkv)
Is that the Hugh Thomas one?
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (cfSRQ)
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Zinn and Chomsky. The Laurel and Hardy of the Anti-Western Left.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (oVJmc)
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20 Good morning, all. Missed a few of these threads. At least, I think I have.
Working my way through "The Spanish Civil War."
Got the book based on a Book Thread recommendation and thank you very much.
Though, the events leading up to the Spanish civil war might as well have been taken from the pages of current events.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:11 AM (WEBkv)
Who's the author of the book? There's a few "Spanish Civil War" titles out there.
Working my way through "The Spanish Civil War."
Got the book based on a Book Thread recommendation and thank you very much.
Though, the events leading up to the Spanish civil war might as well have been taken from the pages of current events.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:11 AM (WEBkv)
Who's the author of the book? There's a few "Spanish Civil War" titles out there.
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2019 09:25 AM (Izzlo)
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24 Still reading british authors humorous books. Nothing too heavy. I am looking at a copy of the new McCullough book. not reading, just looking!
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My night time in-bed reading is Wodehouse. I should say re-reading, as I've pretty much read everything he ever wrote.
At any rate, something frivolous and light-hearted is a good way to end the day.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2019 09:13 AM (2qPhT)
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Almost everything? That's a ton. I've read a lot of PGW, but not close to that.
It's also a problem if I try to read it in bed. I'll wake my wife, laughing. Never a good move.
Posted by: rhennigantx
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My night time in-bed reading is Wodehouse. I should say re-reading, as I've pretty much read everything he ever wrote.
At any rate, something frivolous and light-hearted is a good way to end the day.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2019 09:13 AM (2qPhT)
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Almost everything? That's a ton. I've read a lot of PGW, but not close to that.
It's also a problem if I try to read it in bed. I'll wake my wife, laughing. Never a good move.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:26 AM (VaN/j)
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@29 "The bottom line is, do we want the history of our country taught by historians who hate America, or by those who love her?
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Ideally, both."
I would settle for history being taught by scholars who love the truth.
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Ideally, both."
I would settle for history being taught by scholars who love the truth.
Posted by: John F. MacMichael at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (iuRR5)
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32 If the woman who dismembered Justin Amash in the sidebar writes a book, I'll buy it.
Hell, if she's single, I'll marry her.
Anyone know who she is?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (+Abq4)
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Can't recall her name but she was on Judge Jeanine last night.
Hell, if she's single, I'll marry her.
Anyone know who she is?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (+Abq4)
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Can't recall her name but she was on Judge Jeanine last night.
Posted by: Weasel at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (iAerA)
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I'm to the point in I, Claudius where Caligula becomes Emperor. Dear God what a crazy fuck he was; no wonder that greasy dago that ran Penthouse made a fairly high budget early porn extravaganza based on him. Although Graves makes it clear that Tiberius had a craving for cock as well, at least as told by Claudius who might not be the most accurate chronicler of things because he makes it clear early on that the histories written had to be careful not to piss off Top Men while still trying to document just what happened. It's an incredibly gossipy way to read the history of a very dissolute time so it's very entertaining. The book group is going right into Claudius the God after this so I'm expecting it to be more of the same.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (y7DUB)
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Published in 2001, it is a reappraisal of WWI. Mosier argues quite
convincingly that Germany was actually pretty successful when compared
to France and Great Britain. The Germans took about half of the
casualties sustained by France and Great Britain, and the Allies were on
the verge of collapse until America's entry into the war changed the
balance of power and Pres. Woodrow Wilson forced an armistice (Germany
still occupied a big chunk of France as well as the Low Countries).
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This is the standard narrative as far as I know. Churchill wrote something to the effect of: "Germany had fought almost the entire world on its own - and had almost won."
The Entente lost far more men because after 1914, they carried the burden of attack, something neither side really figured out how to do with massive losses. (Yes, some British historians in particular try to convince people that the Somme inflicted heavier losses on the Germans, but everyone knows they are full of crap.)
convincingly that Germany was actually pretty successful when compared
to France and Great Britain. The Germans took about half of the
casualties sustained by France and Great Britain, and the Allies were on
the verge of collapse until America's entry into the war changed the
balance of power and Pres. Woodrow Wilson forced an armistice (Germany
still occupied a big chunk of France as well as the Low Countries).
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This is the standard narrative as far as I know. Churchill wrote something to the effect of: "Germany had fought almost the entire world on its own - and had almost won."
The Entente lost far more men because after 1914, they carried the burden of attack, something neither side really figured out how to do with massive losses. (Yes, some British historians in particular try to convince people that the Somme inflicted heavier losses on the Germans, but everyone knows they are full of crap.)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (cfSRQ)
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Good morning, book threadists! I third the recommend for Hiaason's "Native Tongue" - it's hilarious. I believe that Hiaason was the first to document the phenomenon of "Florida Man" in all his comic glory.
For myself, I went back and am working on "Uncharted - Arcane America Book 1" on my Kindle at the gym, and for bedtime reading, Mary Stewart's "The Moonspinners" - which is a romantic suspense mystery set on the island of Crete. (Much better a book than the movie made from it, which left out several key characters.) I've always loved the way that Mary Steward described Greece, in a few of her books. (This Rough Magic, and My Brother Michael) And loving her books was the main reason I asked for an assignment to Greece, back in the day. And yes - even though I was there at least twenty-five years after she had put them into her books - that's what Greece was like ...
For myself, I went back and am working on "Uncharted - Arcane America Book 1" on my Kindle at the gym, and for bedtime reading, Mary Stewart's "The Moonspinners" - which is a romantic suspense mystery set on the island of Crete. (Much better a book than the movie made from it, which left out several key characters.) I've always loved the way that Mary Steward described Greece, in a few of her books. (This Rough Magic, and My Brother Michael) And loving her books was the main reason I asked for an assignment to Greece, back in the day. And yes - even though I was there at least twenty-five years after she had put them into her books - that's what Greece was like ...
Posted by: Sgt. Mom at June 02, 2019 09:28 AM (xnmPy)
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Is that the Hugh Thomas one?
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (cfSRQ)
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Stanley G. Payne.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (cfSRQ)
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Stanley G. Payne.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:28 AM (WEBkv)
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24 ... "My night time in-bed reading is Wodehouse. I should say re-reading, as I've pretty much read everything he ever wrote.
At any rate, something frivolous and light-hearted is a good way to end the day."
Mike, You are so correct. When I read before going to sleep it is no longer controversial (anger) or even too intellectually stimulating (immediate need for more research). CS Lewis and Michael Dirda are terrible problems for me that way. Better something like Wodehouse or Louis L'Amour.
At any rate, something frivolous and light-hearted is a good way to end the day."
Mike, You are so correct. When I read before going to sleep it is no longer controversial (anger) or even too intellectually stimulating (immediate need for more research). CS Lewis and Michael Dirda are terrible problems for me that way. Better something like Wodehouse or Louis L'Amour.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 09:28 AM (bmdz3)
Posted by: JT at June 02, 2019 09:29 AM (OB/G2)
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When in doubt, read Rex Stout. I found a Nero Wolfe mystery I hadn't read, "Where There's A Will". It was the last Wolfe novel before WWII started. Like all of the Wolfe stories, it is fun/funny, puzzling, and has Stout's delightful writing style. He can write an entire chapter or two of nothing but several people talking with Wolfe. The only action might be someone reaching for a drink or adjusting their chair. Yet Stout keeps the readers interest and the pace never goes slack. He combines the reader's curiosity about the situation with Archie's smart ass narration, and Wolfe's attitudes and vocabulary to make the chapter fly by and keep the reader turning pages. It's a remarkable talent that has kept me reading Nero Wolfe stories for decades.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 09:30 AM (bmdz3)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 02, 2019 09:31 AM (oVJmc)
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What are those empty shelves doing up there on the second level?
That's what I noticed. Somebody got tired of going up and down that spiral staircase, looks like.
That's what I noticed. Somebody got tired of going up and down that spiral staircase, looks like.
Posted by: mindful webworker - click for vids at June 02, 2019 09:31 AM (qjfjx)
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I'm to the point in I, Claudius where Caligula becomes Emperor. Dear
God what a crazy fuck he was; no wonder that greasy dago that ran
Penthouse made a fairly high budget early porn extravaganza based on
him. Although Graves makes it clear that Tiberius had a craving for
cock as well, at least as told by Claudius who might not be the most
accurate chronicler of things because he makes it clear early on that
the histories written had to be careful not to piss off Top Men while
still trying to document just what happened. It's an incredibly gossipy
way to read the history of a very dissolute time so it's very
entertaining. The book group is going right into Claudius the God after
this so I'm expecting it to be more of the same.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (y7DUB)
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Tiberius craved little boys in particular. Quite the sicko.
Graves actually downplays some of the perversity - I had to go to Suetonius because I didn't yet understand the British euphamism (I read it in high school).
I decided to name one of my characters Jermah Macro because I loved the sound of the name (and John Rhys-Davies' performance) as Macro.
I'm to the point in I, Claudius where Caligula becomes Emperor. Dear
God what a crazy fuck he was; no wonder that greasy dago that ran
Penthouse made a fairly high budget early porn extravaganza based on
him. Although Graves makes it clear that Tiberius had a craving for
cock as well, at least as told by Claudius who might not be the most
accurate chronicler of things because he makes it clear early on that
the histories written had to be careful not to piss off Top Men while
still trying to document just what happened. It's an incredibly gossipy
way to read the history of a very dissolute time so it's very
entertaining. The book group is going right into Claudius the God after
this so I'm expecting it to be more of the same.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (y7DUB)
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Tiberius craved little boys in particular. Quite the sicko.
Graves actually downplays some of the perversity - I had to go to Suetonius because I didn't yet understand the British euphamism (I read it in high school).
I decided to name one of my characters Jermah Macro because I loved the sound of the name (and John Rhys-Davies' performance) as Macro.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:31 AM (cfSRQ)
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I second the recommendation for the Corcoran books, most particularly because there's a lovely conversation in the middle where The Moon is a Harsh Mistress gets analyzed.
Posted by: Laura Montgomery at June 02, 2019 09:32 AM (+h9PP)
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What are those empty shelves doing up there on the second level? NEED MOAR BOOKS!
I was thinking that designing in an overflow area showed forethought.
I was thinking that designing in an overflow area showed forethought.
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2019 09:33 AM (sdi6R)
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The eighth book in The Expanse Series, Tiamat's Wrath, came out at the end of March, and I've spent the last two months starting the series over from the beginning to get to it. Thoroughly enjoyed the long re-read, and Tiamat's Wrath was excellent. One more book next year and the series will end.
Leviathan Wakes
Caliban's War
Abbadon's Gate
Cibola Burn
Nemesis Games
Babylon's Ashes
Persepolis Rising
Tiamat's Wrath
All by James SA Corey.
Very highly recommended space opera.
Leviathan Wakes
Caliban's War
Abbadon's Gate
Cibola Burn
Nemesis Games
Babylon's Ashes
Persepolis Rising
Tiamat's Wrath
All by James SA Corey.
Very highly recommended space opera.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 02, 2019 09:33 AM (smc0A)
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Is that beached ship The Sea Cuck?
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 09:33 AM (y7DUB)
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Stanley G. Payne.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:28 AM (WEBkv)
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Haven't read that one. Thomas is super-detailed, tediously so. Drops names like he has quota per page.
He favors the Republic out of sentiment, but as the war drags on and the Red get increasingly murderous, shows sympathy for Franco was really just a traditionalist tired of the constant violence and disorder. Far from being a fascist, Franco (and the army) were making it up as they went a long and finally come up with an ideology by necessity.
Thomas grudgingly notes this, but he still has this wistful admiration for the romantic idealism of the Reds. Because good intentions are really what matter and simply protecting lives isn't enough of a good intention, I guess.
Stanley G. Payne.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:28 AM (WEBkv)
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Haven't read that one. Thomas is super-detailed, tediously so. Drops names like he has quota per page.
He favors the Republic out of sentiment, but as the war drags on and the Red get increasingly murderous, shows sympathy for Franco was really just a traditionalist tired of the constant violence and disorder. Far from being a fascist, Franco (and the army) were making it up as they went a long and finally come up with an ideology by necessity.
Thomas grudgingly notes this, but he still has this wistful admiration for the romantic idealism of the Reds. Because good intentions are really what matter and simply protecting lives isn't enough of a good intention, I guess.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:34 AM (cfSRQ)
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Off to shootin' match in a minute, but one title to mention.
Hell to Pay, by Giancreco. About the plans, calculations, realities facing
American and Japanese decision-makers in the summer of '45. I know from
the foreword it's going to be very good. Takes direct aim at the myths
and tendentious sloppy "history" that attempted to demonize Truman's
bomb decision [which wasn't really even a decision in the current
sense].
I know snippets of part of the story - how much
better prepared and resourced the Japs were for the Kyushu, first-phase
of the invasion than even we assessed, as was discovered post-surrender -
and top leaders actually confronted the idea of changing the invasion
plan, so grim were the estimates based on the last war-time intel
updates [they didn't - the geography there simply offers no acceptable
alternatives to the 3 main landing areas].
For those into this topic, very highly recommended - and I'm only 35 pages in.
Hell to Pay, by Giancreco. About the plans, calculations, realities facing
American and Japanese decision-makers in the summer of '45. I know from
the foreword it's going to be very good. Takes direct aim at the myths
and tendentious sloppy "history" that attempted to demonize Truman's
bomb decision [which wasn't really even a decision in the current
sense].
I know snippets of part of the story - how much
better prepared and resourced the Japs were for the Kyushu, first-phase
of the invasion than even we assessed, as was discovered post-surrender -
and top leaders actually confronted the idea of changing the invasion
plan, so grim were the estimates based on the last war-time intel
updates [they didn't - the geography there simply offers no acceptable
alternatives to the 3 main landing areas].
For those into this topic, very highly recommended - and I'm only 35 pages in.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 02, 2019 09:34 AM (QDnY+)
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Forgot to mention, I'm also working on a book about Richard the Third, by Paul Murray Kendall.
Fascinating to read about someone who lived over 400 years ago, yet the author is able to draw on sources that date back to the period he's writing about.
Fascinating to read about someone who lived over 400 years ago, yet the author is able to draw on sources that date back to the period he's writing about.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:34 AM (WEBkv)
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Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:15 AM (5Yee7)
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The question is could the Germans overcome the Brit and French armies before the blockade broke Germany. There's also a question of what kind of offensive could be sustained. In 1918 the Germans ran into the problem of outrunning their supply lines. This mattered for artillery, especially, and was solved in WWII by tactical air support.
On thing sometimes missed is that, though our entry correlated with the introduction of convoys (and we were strong advocates of them), it was coming anyway. That is, the Brits were going to adopt them anyway. THAT side of the war was shifting in the Allies' favor, independent of our entry. Of course, this is a navalist take.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:15 AM (5Yee7)
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The question is could the Germans overcome the Brit and French armies before the blockade broke Germany. There's also a question of what kind of offensive could be sustained. In 1918 the Germans ran into the problem of outrunning their supply lines. This mattered for artillery, especially, and was solved in WWII by tactical air support.
On thing sometimes missed is that, though our entry correlated with the introduction of convoys (and we were strong advocates of them), it was coming anyway. That is, the Brits were going to adopt them anyway. THAT side of the war was shifting in the Allies' favor, independent of our entry. Of course, this is a navalist take.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:35 AM (VaN/j)
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Air - La Femme D'Argent
(The film is 4 days before the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. It's a perfect symphony of traffic chaos, and it's mesmerizing.)
https://youtu.be/aG9XXbKuYfA
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at June 02, 2019 09:04 AM (vJVIn)
Ha! Nice. I've got about half of Moon Safari in my playlist.
(The film is 4 days before the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. It's a perfect symphony of traffic chaos, and it's mesmerizing.)
https://youtu.be/aG9XXbKuYfA
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at June 02, 2019 09:04 AM (vJVIn)
Ha! Nice. I've got about half of Moon Safari in my playlist.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 09:35 AM (t+qrx)
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So I splurged online and picked up six books in the Parker series by Donald Westlake w/b/a Richard Stark. Not only does the TBR list get even longer, I have to start rebilleting the books on the shelves. Some of the comics trade collections will have to go to the garage to join their single-issue kin. First World problems.
Posted by: Weak Geek at June 02, 2019 09:36 AM (CN664)
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Thomas grudgingly notes this, but he still has this wistful admiration for the romantic idealism of the Reds. Because good intentions are really what matter and simply protecting lives isn't enough of a good intention, I guess.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:34 AM (cfSRQ)
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Gee, sounds familiar. No, don't tell me, I know the answer to this.....
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:34 AM (cfSRQ)
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Gee, sounds familiar. No, don't tell me, I know the answer to this.....
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:36 AM (WEBkv)
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Bah. Everyone knows that smoking cannabis makes you love your neighbor, feel all love-peaceable, and create wonderful folks songs.
Posted by: Hashshashin at June 02, 2019 09:36 AM (qjfjx)
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It being Sunday and a book thread, I'd like to recommend this excellent and thoughtful essay over at First Things. It touches on politics, but does so from a philosophical and religious perspective, which I feel is appropriate. (remove the space to use the link)
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/05/ against-david-french-ism
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/05/ against-david-french-ism
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:37 AM (cfSRQ)
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The Case of the Missing Books with Nancy Drew. Notice perhaps in the lower right corner the bookcase that opens to a hidden room.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 09:38 AM (tLmOq)
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I read another of the Lord Dunsany stories. It really doesn't really matter which one. He had the ability to establish his fantasy world with it's customs and history in the reader's mind quickly and unobtrusively. Much of his story, like Lovecraft would do later, is narration, not dialogue. But his deliberate pacing and use of Biblical and Homeric style just sucks me into the story. He is also capable of violent, gory descriptions worthy of Robert E. Howard. The contrast can be rather startling.
I don't know how young people would respond to his writing. I suspect not well. People brought up on video games with constant, violent action probably wouldn't appreciate writing that is to be savored and absorbed, not pushed into their brains by blinding lights, deafening noise, and non-stop havoc. (No. I don't play computer games. Why do you ask?)
I don't know how young people would respond to his writing. I suspect not well. People brought up on video games with constant, violent action probably wouldn't appreciate writing that is to be savored and absorbed, not pushed into their brains by blinding lights, deafening noise, and non-stop havoc. (No. I don't play computer games. Why do you ask?)
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 09:38 AM (bmdz3)
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On thing sometimes missed is that, though our entry correlated with the introduction of convoys (and we were strong advocates of them), it was coming anyway. That is, the Brits were going to adopt them anyway. THAT side of the war was shifting in the Allies' favor, independent of our entry. Of course, this is a navalist take.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:35 AM (VaN/j)
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Logistics, always logistics.
If the front can't be supplied, it will be overrun, no matter how superior the weaponry.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:35 AM (VaN/j)
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Logistics, always logistics.
If the front can't be supplied, it will be overrun, no matter how superior the weaponry.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:38 AM (WEBkv)
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This is the standard narrative as far as I know. Churchill wrote something to the effect of: "Germany had fought almost the entire world on its own - and had almost won."
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (cfSRQ)
Perhaps that is the standard conclusion now but that wasn't what I was taught about WWI. I was taught that the Allies won and Germany was defeated, but really wasn't the case.
Mosier discusses that Churchill was going contrary to popular perception in his The World Crisis and was openly criticized for his iconoclastic interpretation of events. Of course, we do have to remember that he was responsible for some of the mistakes made by the Allies (the mess at the Dardenelles, in particular).
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (cfSRQ)
Perhaps that is the standard conclusion now but that wasn't what I was taught about WWI. I was taught that the Allies won and Germany was defeated, but really wasn't the case.
Mosier discusses that Churchill was going contrary to popular perception in his The World Crisis and was openly criticized for his iconoclastic interpretation of events. Of course, we do have to remember that he was responsible for some of the mistakes made by the Allies (the mess at the Dardenelles, in particular).
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:39 AM (5Yee7)
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Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (y7DUB)
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My impression is that Roman sex stories are decidedly bi. That's true of Satyricon. In the Golden Ass, animals get involved. IIRC, there's a line in Juvenal about some guy who has a manly beard, but whose butt is worn smooth.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (y7DUB)
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My impression is that Roman sex stories are decidedly bi. That's true of Satyricon. In the Golden Ass, animals get involved. IIRC, there's a line in Juvenal about some guy who has a manly beard, but whose butt is worn smooth.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:39 AM (VaN/j)
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I'm currently reading this speech written for me by Shabby Nadler.
Posted by: Dirty Cop Bob from D.C. at June 02, 2019 09:40 AM (Ndje9)
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Starting Graham Greene's "The Power and the Glory" as a reward for finishing grading finals. Dreadful task. I'm thinking of just giving everyone D scores and only changing them if the student complains.
Posted by: Smallish Bees at June 02, 2019 09:40 AM (yjhOG)
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PS If you like Carl then try Tim Dorsey. And I think Native is book #2 in a 2 or 3 part series.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 09:15 AM (JFO2v)
Thanks for the Dorsey recommendation. I don't think Hiaasen's Native Tongue is part of a series even though a few characters are in some of his other books. But, there is a Native Tongue book by Suzette Haden Elgin that is part of a series (I just looked it up). She apparently wrote feminist syfy, whatever that means.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 09:15 AM (JFO2v)
Thanks for the Dorsey recommendation. I don't think Hiaasen's Native Tongue is part of a series even though a few characters are in some of his other books. But, there is a Native Tongue book by Suzette Haden Elgin that is part of a series (I just looked it up). She apparently wrote feminist syfy, whatever that means.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at June 02, 2019 09:42 AM (vJVIn)
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Mosier discusses that Churchill was going contrary to popular perception in his The World Crisis and was openly criticized for his iconoclastic interpretation of events. Of course, we do have to remember that he was responsible for some of the mistakes made by the Allies (the mess at the Dardenelles, in particular).
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:39 AM (5Yee7)
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Mistakes will be made during the event. The trick is learning from them.
If Churchill was honest in his assessment afterward, then, he learned something.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:39 AM (5Yee7)
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Mistakes will be made during the event. The trick is learning from them.
If Churchill was honest in his assessment afterward, then, he learned something.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:43 AM (WEBkv)
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In A People's Tragedy the civil war between the Reds and Whites has begun in the Rooski south. It's not exactly a spoiler that the reds won even though they were a gaggle of misfits who usually turned tail before the first shot was fired. The trouble was the whites were top loaded with officers of which none wanted to do the grunt work; in fact some of them just sulked off at the thought of reporting to someone they considered inferior or just didn't like. Here, as with everything else, Lenin was very lucky to be faced with opponents who were just slightly less incompetent and ruthless than he was.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 09:43 AM (y7DUB)
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Ha! Nice. I've got about half of Moon Safari in my playlist.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 09:35 AM (t+qrx)
They do make some good shroomy music.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 09:35 AM (t+qrx)
They do make some good shroomy music.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at June 02, 2019 09:43 AM (vJVIn)
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68 Starting Graham Greene's "The Power and the Glory" as a reward for finishing grading finals. Dreadful task. I'm thinking of just giving everyone D scores and only changing them if the student complains.
Posted by: Smallish Bees at June 02, 2019 09:40 AM (yjhOG)
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Grade on the curve and start your curve about 1920...
Posted by: Smallish Bees at June 02, 2019 09:40 AM (yjhOG)
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Grade on the curve and start your curve about 1920...
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:44 AM (WEBkv)
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32 If the woman who dismembered Justin Amash in the sidebar writes a book, I'll buy it.
Hell, if she's single, I'll marry her.
Anyone know who she is?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (+Abq4)
No, but I'm sure some intrepid journalisming reporter from CNN or The Daily Beast will track her down and dox her -- like what happened with Joe the Plumber and also just yesterday to the guy who put together that drunken Nancy Pelosi meme. Yes, some a*hole reporter from TDB blasted his personal information all over the internet. He did this to a private citizen because he mocked Nancy Pelosi.
And then they get mad when they're called the enemy of the people.
Hell, if she's single, I'll marry her.
Anyone know who she is?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (+Abq4)
No, but I'm sure some intrepid journalisming reporter from CNN or The Daily Beast will track her down and dox her -- like what happened with Joe the Plumber and also just yesterday to the guy who put together that drunken Nancy Pelosi meme. Yes, some a*hole reporter from TDB blasted his personal information all over the internet. He did this to a private citizen because he mocked Nancy Pelosi.
And then they get mad when they're called the enemy of the people.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 09:45 AM (w1MTk)
Posted by: browndog at June 02, 2019 09:45 AM (bGMOs)
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I know snippets of part of the story - how much
better prepared and resourced the Japs were for the Kyushu, first-phase
of the invasion than even we assessed, as was discovered post-surrender -
and top leaders actually confronted the idea of changing the invasion
plan, so grim were the estimates based on the last war-time intel
updates [they didn't - the geography there simply offers no acceptable
alternatives to the 3 main landing areas].
For those into this topic, very highly recommended - and I'm only 35 pages in.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 02, 2019 09:34 AM (QDnY+)
Question. At that stage in the war, would it have been possible to simply set up an integral naval blockade of the Japanese home islands, and enforce a no-fly zone? Just keep them bottled up in the home islands, and starve them of resources until their reime collapsed from within?
In other words, would an invasion have really been necessary to prevent Japan from doing further damage in the world?
better prepared and resourced the Japs were for the Kyushu, first-phase
of the invasion than even we assessed, as was discovered post-surrender -
and top leaders actually confronted the idea of changing the invasion
plan, so grim were the estimates based on the last war-time intel
updates [they didn't - the geography there simply offers no acceptable
alternatives to the 3 main landing areas].
For those into this topic, very highly recommended - and I'm only 35 pages in.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 02, 2019 09:34 AM (QDnY+)
Question. At that stage in the war, would it have been possible to simply set up an integral naval blockade of the Japanese home islands, and enforce a no-fly zone? Just keep them bottled up in the home islands, and starve them of resources until their reime collapsed from within?
In other words, would an invasion have really been necessary to prevent Japan from doing further damage in the world?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2019 09:45 AM (7njPr)
77
Perhaps that is the standard conclusion now
but that wasn't what I was taught about WWI. I was taught that the
Allies won and Germany was defeated, but really wasn't the case.
Mosier discusses that Churchill was going contrary to popular perception in his The World Crisis
and was openly criticized for his iconoclastic interpretation of
events. Of course, we do have to remember that he was responsible for
some of the mistakes made by the Allies (the mess at the Dardenelles, in
particular).
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:39 AM (5Yee7)
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By November 1918, Germany was screwed and its leadership knew it. Yes, they held French and Belgian territory, but not for long. Ardent Americans were streaming in at an incredible rate while the Frontsoldats were surrendering in droves. The Kriegsmarine was muntinying, the troops in the east were being influenced by the Reds - something had to give and quick.
So they asked for an Armistice which was turned into a surrender. It was the worse of both worlds. Germany didn't *feel* defeated and returned home with its weapons only to lose them later as part of the negotiations.
That was the big mistake. You can only impose a punitive peace if you've earned it on the battlefield. The Allies weren't there yet, which is why Churchill was so critical of the peace and the half-hearted efforts to subsequently enforce it.
but that wasn't what I was taught about WWI. I was taught that the
Allies won and Germany was defeated, but really wasn't the case.
Mosier discusses that Churchill was going contrary to popular perception in his The World Crisis
and was openly criticized for his iconoclastic interpretation of
events. Of course, we do have to remember that he was responsible for
some of the mistakes made by the Allies (the mess at the Dardenelles, in
particular).
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:39 AM (5Yee7)
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By November 1918, Germany was screwed and its leadership knew it. Yes, they held French and Belgian territory, but not for long. Ardent Americans were streaming in at an incredible rate while the Frontsoldats were surrendering in droves. The Kriegsmarine was muntinying, the troops in the east were being influenced by the Reds - something had to give and quick.
So they asked for an Armistice which was turned into a surrender. It was the worse of both worlds. Germany didn't *feel* defeated and returned home with its weapons only to lose them later as part of the negotiations.
That was the big mistake. You can only impose a punitive peace if you've earned it on the battlefield. The Allies weren't there yet, which is why Churchill was so critical of the peace and the half-hearted efforts to subsequently enforce it.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (cfSRQ)
78
For a nation that depended upon its very existence on ships carrying vital materials, Japan never really grasped the concept of merchant ship convoys until late in the war even as American subs sank everything that flew the flag of the rising sun.
In Hoyt's U-boats Offshore the reader watches as Americans learn that even coastal shipping needs to be in convoys along with Miami really needed to turn off all the lights.
In Hoyt's U-boats Offshore the reader watches as Americans learn that even coastal shipping needs to be in convoys along with Miami really needed to turn off all the lights.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (tLmOq)
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As a change-of-pace after reading about the carnage of WWI, I bought The Case of the Cautious Coquetter by Erle Stanley Gardner due to the lurid cover: a nubile female is in a tub partially hidden by a shower curtain reaching for a revolver; you can see both boobages (but no nipples, darn it!). It's a Perry Mason mystery and he gets involved with the pistol-packing babe while trying to track down a hit-and-run driver. Good period feel (late 1940s) and Mason performs shenanigans in the courtroom that would not be permitted now. Generally fun: rating = 4.0/5.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (5Yee7)
Posted by: browndog at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (bGMOs)
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Haven't read that one. Thomas is super-detailed, tediously so. Drops names like he has quota per page.
He favors the Republic out of sentiment, but as the war drags on and the Red get increasingly murderous, shows sympathy for Franco was really just a traditionalist tired of the constant violence and disorder. Far from being a fascist, Franco (and the army) were making it up as they went a long and finally come up with an ideology by necessity.
Thomas grudgingly notes this, but he still has this wistful admiration for the romantic idealism of the Reds. Because good intentions are really what matter and simply protecting lives isn't enough of a good intention, I guess.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:34 AM (cfSRQ)
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Orwell has the same tendency. For all he saw of the tyranny of the left, he still stuck with the Republicans over the Nationalists.
My understanding is that Franco had to work with the pre-existing actual Fascist element on his side, which he had inherited, not being the original leader. But by the time I first became aware of it, in the 60s, it was pretty much accepted that he was not much committed to Fascism as an ideology. (OTOH, he did go for the status of the Leader characteristic of both fascists and commies. Enough so to put off Waugh.)
Haven't read that one. Thomas is super-detailed, tediously so. Drops names like he has quota per page.
He favors the Republic out of sentiment, but as the war drags on and the Red get increasingly murderous, shows sympathy for Franco was really just a traditionalist tired of the constant violence and disorder. Far from being a fascist, Franco (and the army) were making it up as they went a long and finally come up with an ideology by necessity.
Thomas grudgingly notes this, but he still has this wistful admiration for the romantic idealism of the Reds. Because good intentions are really what matter and simply protecting lives isn't enough of a good intention, I guess.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:34 AM (cfSRQ)
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Orwell has the same tendency. For all he saw of the tyranny of the left, he still stuck with the Republicans over the Nationalists.
My understanding is that Franco had to work with the pre-existing actual Fascist element on his side, which he had inherited, not being the original leader. But by the time I first became aware of it, in the 60s, it was pretty much accepted that he was not much committed to Fascism as an ideology. (OTOH, he did go for the status of the Leader characteristic of both fascists and commies. Enough so to put off Waugh.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (VaN/j)
82
"New History" textbook...how about Michael Bellesiles? I hear he wrote a "history" book.
Posted by: BignJames at June 02, 2019 09:48 AM (ykq7q)
83
Question. At that stage in the war, would it have
been possible to simply set up an integral naval blockade of the
Japanese home islands, and enforce a no-fly zone? Just keep them bottled
up in the home islands, and starve them of resources until their reime
collapsed from within?
In other words, would an invasion have really been necessary to prevent Japan from doing further damage in the world?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2019 09:45 AM (7njPr)
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This was exactly what the Air Corps and the Navy wanted to do. Just starve them into surrender and bomb their cities into ash.
The Army (MacArthur) rejected it on two grounds.
1. It would take a long time and the American people would grow bored and demand peace before the thing was done. Not sure why this was a negative.
2. Less glory for MacArthur.
been possible to simply set up an integral naval blockade of the
Japanese home islands, and enforce a no-fly zone? Just keep them bottled
up in the home islands, and starve them of resources until their reime
collapsed from within?
In other words, would an invasion have really been necessary to prevent Japan from doing further damage in the world?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2019 09:45 AM (7njPr)
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This was exactly what the Air Corps and the Navy wanted to do. Just starve them into surrender and bomb their cities into ash.
The Army (MacArthur) rejected it on two grounds.
1. It would take a long time and the American people would grow bored and demand peace before the thing was done. Not sure why this was a negative.
2. Less glory for MacArthur.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:48 AM (cfSRQ)
84
I mentioned it earlier in the week, but right now I am reading Van Loon's Lives by Hendrik Willem van Loon.
It came out in the early 1940s and is set sometime in the early 30s. Van Loon, living in Holland, has many discussions with his friend Frits about the great men and women of the past, and wouldn't it be wonderful if you could actually talk to them? As it turns out, with the help of the scholar Erasmus, they actually are able to invite such personages as Thomas More, Napoleon, Confucius, Empress Theodora, Mozart and Elizabeth I to dinner.
Once each pair are invited, van Loon then writes a short biography of the dinner guests, ostensibly so his friend Frits will be familiar enough to talk with them, but serving as good little histories for us.
Van Loon's own philosophizing can be heavy going at times - he is alarmed at the rise of Hitler and thinks the world is headed towards the end times - but the book is utterly fascinating and would be a good gift for a teenager (or adult) with an interest in history. For those of us just a touch over 29, I'd bet money Steve Allen was thinking of Lives when he created his TV show Meeting of the Minds.
https://tinyurl.com/y6kp29jo
It came out in the early 1940s and is set sometime in the early 30s. Van Loon, living in Holland, has many discussions with his friend Frits about the great men and women of the past, and wouldn't it be wonderful if you could actually talk to them? As it turns out, with the help of the scholar Erasmus, they actually are able to invite such personages as Thomas More, Napoleon, Confucius, Empress Theodora, Mozart and Elizabeth I to dinner.
Once each pair are invited, van Loon then writes a short biography of the dinner guests, ostensibly so his friend Frits will be familiar enough to talk with them, but serving as good little histories for us.
Van Loon's own philosophizing can be heavy going at times - he is alarmed at the rise of Hitler and thinks the world is headed towards the end times - but the book is utterly fascinating and would be a good gift for a teenager (or adult) with an interest in history. For those of us just a touch over 29, I'd bet money Steve Allen was thinking of Lives when he created his TV show Meeting of the Minds.
https://tinyurl.com/y6kp29jo
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 09:49 AM (Ki5SV)
85
That was the big mistake [of the Versailles Treaty]. You can only impose a punitive peace if you've earned it on the battlefield. The Allies weren't there yet, which is why Churchill was so critical of the peace and the half-hearted efforts to subsequently enforce it.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (cfSRQ)
Which is why we subsequently had Round Two with WWII.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (cfSRQ)
Which is why we subsequently had Round Two with WWII.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:49 AM (5Yee7)
86
OregonMuse: ...also just yesterday to the guy who put together that drunken Nancy Pelosi meme.
(Ah, a hook to repeat my question, willowed on last thread)
Anybody got a link to that vid? Searched on YooToob and it filtered me to only LaughingStock Media news reports about it, and similar #fakenews, but not the original. Perhaps it's on fecebook?
(Ah, a hook to repeat my question, willowed on last thread)
Anybody got a link to that vid? Searched on YooToob and it filtered me to only LaughingStock Media news reports about it, and similar #fakenews, but not the original. Perhaps it's on fecebook?
Posted by: mindful webworker - click for vids blog at June 02, 2019 09:50 AM (qjfjx)
87
It's been mentioned in previous threads. Ulysses Grant's Memoires are absorbing. Aside from the importance of the man and the times, he is simply an excellent writer. (I had the same reaction with the books written by President Reagan. The writing is superb.) I picked up Grant's memoires while cooking and waiting for the next part of the recipe. If I hadn't set the timer everything would have burned. I got lost in the pages almost immediately.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 09:50 AM (bmdz3)
88
In Hoyt's U-boats Offshore the reader watches as Americans learn that even coastal shipping needs to be in convoys along with Miami really needed to turn off all the lights.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (tLmOq)
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Yeah, I've read about that, and from what I understand, the Navy was furious about coastal lights being on in the middle of the deadly serious naval war on the east coast.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (tLmOq)
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Yeah, I've read about that, and from what I understand, the Navy was furious about coastal lights being on in the middle of the deadly serious naval war on the east coast.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:50 AM (WEBkv)
89
Another good conservative US History book is the Patriot's History of the United States, by Larry Schweikart and Michael Allen, two conservative university professors (!) who were disgusted with the liberal rewriting of American history. It's what I used for my kids.
Schweikart, with a different co-author, also write a two-volume history of the Modern World (essentially 20th century and a bit of the 21st) that I own but have not yet read.
Schweikart, with a different co-author, also write a two-volume history of the Modern World (essentially 20th century and a bit of the 21st) that I own but have not yet read.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 09:51 AM (aXucN)
90
Good morning, maroons!
Feeling exceptionally hedonistic this morning, sitting in bed with coffee and the book-reading Horde. The problem with going back to work is you get into the mode of looking at time as needing to be used efficiently. Oh, ok, Book Thread counts.
Hans, if you're recommending those top two, I'm getting them. And when is your next installment coming out?
Feeling exceptionally hedonistic this morning, sitting in bed with coffee and the book-reading Horde. The problem with going back to work is you get into the mode of looking at time as needing to be used efficiently. Oh, ok, Book Thread counts.
Hans, if you're recommending those top two, I'm getting them. And when is your next installment coming out?
Posted by: RI Red at June 02, 2019 09:52 AM (+6GvU)
91
I was taught that the Allies won and Germany was defeated, but really wasn't the case.
Germany was defeated in the sense that the homefront was collapsing. There was no functioning government, they'd lost civilian support, she lost the ability to wage war.
Germany was defeated in the sense that the homefront was collapsing. There was no functioning government, they'd lost civilian support, she lost the ability to wage war.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 09:53 AM (fuK7c)
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The Army (MacArthur) rejected it on two grounds.
1. It would take a long time and the American people would grow bored and demand peace before the thing was done. Not sure why this was a negative.
2. Less glory for MacArthur.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:48 AM (cfSRQ)
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I think that gives too little credit to MacCarther. I think MacCarther, no matter his failings, understood the only way to truly defeat Japan was to defeat them and a naval blockade wouldn't have done that.
1. It would take a long time and the American people would grow bored and demand peace before the thing was done. Not sure why this was a negative.
2. Less glory for MacArthur.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:48 AM (cfSRQ)
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I think that gives too little credit to MacCarther. I think MacCarther, no matter his failings, understood the only way to truly defeat Japan was to defeat them and a naval blockade wouldn't have done that.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:54 AM (WEBkv)
93
61 It being Sunday and a book thread, I'd like to recommend this excellent and thoughtful essay over at First Things. It touches on politics, but does so from a philosophical and religious perspective, which I feel is appropriate. (remove the space to use the link)
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/05/ against-david-french-ism
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:37 AM (cfSRQ)
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I think I've linked that too. I liked it too. I noticed that the responses I've seen have - as I would expect - missed the point he's making. Or at least part of it.
It's a problem I see a lot, but which is not easy to describe. It's not simply a disagreement about premises, but about having a completely different set of assumptions about what those mean. It's like operating on two different planes; with some parallels, but not really meeting. Or perhaps of different paradigms of how the world is.
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/05/ against-david-french-ism
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:37 AM (cfSRQ)
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I think I've linked that too. I liked it too. I noticed that the responses I've seen have - as I would expect - missed the point he's making. Or at least part of it.
It's a problem I see a lot, but which is not easy to describe. It's not simply a disagreement about premises, but about having a completely different set of assumptions about what those mean. It's like operating on two different planes; with some parallels, but not really meeting. Or perhaps of different paradigms of how the world is.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:54 AM (VaN/j)
94
Very excited for this Corcoran series. I particularly like the Amazon review by William H Stoddard.
Posted by: motionview
I'm sure this can be justified as your lovely American free speech and not hate speech or malicious communication, and yes, I'm sure Corcoran has a perfect right to say it and all that shit. Guess what? I have a perfect right not to like it, and a right to not be associated with the nutter who spews it.
-- Warren Ellis, author of Transmetropolitan, Iron Man Extremis, The Authority
(some stupid Brit, who is always sore at Americans, no doubt)
Stupid, ill-advised, and, frankly, immoral
-- Radley Balko, former Huffington Post senior writer
(A Top Man at the Huffington Post. Yay!)
How is Travis Corcoran still a free man?
-- The Daily Kos
(Markos Moulitsas. What hasn't already been said about that crypto Leninist - Stalinist?)
Very excited for this Corcoran series. I particularly like the Amazon review by William H Stoddard.
Posted by: motionview
I'm sure this can be justified as your lovely American free speech and not hate speech or malicious communication, and yes, I'm sure Corcoran has a perfect right to say it and all that shit. Guess what? I have a perfect right not to like it, and a right to not be associated with the nutter who spews it.
-- Warren Ellis, author of Transmetropolitan, Iron Man Extremis, The Authority
(some stupid Brit, who is always sore at Americans, no doubt)
Stupid, ill-advised, and, frankly, immoral
-- Radley Balko, former Huffington Post senior writer
(A Top Man at the Huffington Post. Yay!)
How is Travis Corcoran still a free man?
-- The Daily Kos
(Markos Moulitsas. What hasn't already been said about that crypto Leninist - Stalinist?)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 02, 2019 09:54 AM (S6Pax)
95
It's been mentioned in previous threads. Ulysses Grant's Memoires are absorbing. Aside from the importance of the man and the times, he is simply an excellent writer. (I had the same reaction with the books written by President Reagan. The writing is superb.) I picked up Grant's memoires while cooking and waiting for the next part of the recipe. If I hadn't set the timer everything would have burned. I got lost in the pages almost immediately.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 09:50 AM (bmdz3)
Do you know there is now an annotated version of the Memoirs out?
https://tinyurl.com/yxnuqs5p
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 09:50 AM (bmdz3)
Do you know there is now an annotated version of the Memoirs out?
https://tinyurl.com/yxnuqs5p
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 09:54 AM (Ki5SV)
96
Did someone here recommend Brother Cadfael? I've been enjoying those.
Looks like you just did. But I will add my #metoo. As much as I like Derek Jacoby, the TV series doesn't hold a candle to the books.
Looks like you just did. But I will add my #metoo. As much as I like Derek Jacoby, the TV series doesn't hold a candle to the books.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 09:54 AM (qc+VF)
97
So they asked for an Armistice which was turned into a surrender. It was the worse of both worlds. Germany didn't *feel* defeated and returned home with its weapons only to lose them later as part of the negotiations.
Since they were given an absolute gift with the Brest Litovsk treaty I can understand them not feeling defeated.
Since they were given an absolute gift with the Brest Litovsk treaty I can understand them not feeling defeated.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 09:54 AM (y7DUB)
98
Mistakes will be made during the event. The trick is learning from them.
If Churchill was honest in his assessment afterward, then, he learned something.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:43 AM (WEBkv)
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I'm familiar with the arguments on both sides of the Dardanelles and Churchill has the better one. This is confirmed by just about every strategic wargame I've played.
For the first few years of the war, concentration of force brought NO ADDITIONAL BENEFIT, only additional losses. What succeeded was maneuvering in such as way as to achieve *local* superiority.
Britain's sea power offered this as a way to break the deadlock. The problem was the execution.
No one but Churchill understood how important speed was to the enterprise. Get ashore and get moving!
The other issue was that all the best commanders were on the Western Front leaving Churchill with the second string, who were old and slow.
But the concept was sound.
Mistakes will be made during the event. The trick is learning from them.
If Churchill was honest in his assessment afterward, then, he learned something.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:43 AM (WEBkv)
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I'm familiar with the arguments on both sides of the Dardanelles and Churchill has the better one. This is confirmed by just about every strategic wargame I've played.
For the first few years of the war, concentration of force brought NO ADDITIONAL BENEFIT, only additional losses. What succeeded was maneuvering in such as way as to achieve *local* superiority.
Britain's sea power offered this as a way to break the deadlock. The problem was the execution.
No one but Churchill understood how important speed was to the enterprise. Get ashore and get moving!
The other issue was that all the best commanders were on the Western Front leaving Churchill with the second string, who were old and slow.
But the concept was sound.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:55 AM (cfSRQ)
99
''I'd bet money Steve Allen was thinking of Lives when he created his TV show Meeting of the Minds.''
OMG. I absolutely loved that show.
OMG. I absolutely loved that show.
Posted by: Tuna at June 02, 2019 09:55 AM (jm1YL)
100
Insty mentioned this book this morning:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/332071/
It's titled, "Back Row Americans", about the poorest Americans and their faith.
He also links the authors website, "First Things".
Where the author tells his story.
This may be good. Though I have to admit, for me, there was a whiff of the anthropologist among the natives in some of the writing. Which I dislike.
Read it for yourself though.
Insty thinks this may be a very important book.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/332071/
It's titled, "Back Row Americans", about the poorest Americans and their faith.
He also links the authors website, "First Things".
Where the author tells his story.
This may be good. Though I have to admit, for me, there was a whiff of the anthropologist among the natives in some of the writing. Which I dislike.
Read it for yourself though.
Insty thinks this may be a very important book.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 02, 2019 09:55 AM (CRRq9)
101
I concur that Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is an important SF book; besides being a fun, fast-paced read, Heinlein also discusses politics.
TANSTAAL!!!! (There Ain't No Such Thing as a Free Lunch)
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Grant's Memoir is very good and I think pretty frank. Amazing to think he wrote it while dying of cancer.
TANSTAAL!!!! (There Ain't No Such Thing as a Free Lunch)
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Grant's Memoir is very good and I think pretty frank. Amazing to think he wrote it while dying of cancer.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:56 AM (5Yee7)
102
BTW, the best case I know of where the movie is better than the book is Hitchcock's Lady Vanishes. Not just better, much better. Everything everyone likes about the movie was Hitchcock's doing (and the cast's). The book is really feeble.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:56 AM (VaN/j)
103
I'm thinking of just giving everyone D scores and only changing them if the student complains
After everyone had done abysmally on the first two tests...
Kid: But we're all still going to pass, right?
Me: On the merits, no.
Kid: So we have a chance!
After everyone had done abysmally on the first two tests...
Kid: But we're all still going to pass, right?
Me: On the merits, no.
Kid: So we have a chance!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 09:56 AM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 09:57 AM (tLmOq)
105
For the first few years of the war, concentration of force brought NO ADDITIONAL BENEFIT, only additional losses. What succeeded was maneuvering in such as way as to achieve *local* superiority.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:55 AM (cfSRQ)
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Which the Wehrmacht learned and used to great advantage in round 2.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:55 AM (cfSRQ)
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Which the Wehrmacht learned and used to great advantage in round 2.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 09:57 AM (WEBkv)
106
BTW, the best case I know of where the movie is better than the book is Hitchcock's Lady Vanishes. Not just better, much better. Everything everyone likes about the movie was Hitchcock's doing (and the cast's). The book is really feeble.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:56 AM (VaN/j)
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I agree. I saw the movie first, then later read the book. The book seemed disjointed, especially the part where she's wandering the hills near the hotel and not really catching on to where she is. The movie made much more sense. And it's rare that we can say that!
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:56 AM (VaN/j)
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I agree. I saw the movie first, then later read the book. The book seemed disjointed, especially the part where she's wandering the hills near the hotel and not really catching on to where she is. The movie made much more sense. And it's rare that we can say that!
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 09:59 AM (aXucN)
107
65 This is the standard narrative as far as I know. Churchill wrote something to the effect of: "Germany had fought almost the entire world on its own - and had almost won."
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (cfSRQ)
Perhaps that is the standard conclusion now but that wasn't what I was taught about WWI. I was taught that the Allies won and Germany was defeated, but really wasn't the case.
Mosier discusses that Churchill was going contrary to popular perception in his The World Crisis and was openly criticized for his iconoclastic interpretation of events. Of course, we do have to remember that he was responsible for some of the mistakes made by the Allies (the mess at the Dardenelles, in particular).
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:39 AM (5Yee7)
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I was taught the opposite, that the Allies were doomed until we came in. That was in the 60s.
BTW, I will defend the Dardanelles as a strategic conception; the execution was botched. And Churchill's fingerprints are on both. (The basic idea was not entirely his conception, though he does give that impression.)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (cfSRQ)
Perhaps that is the standard conclusion now but that wasn't what I was taught about WWI. I was taught that the Allies won and Germany was defeated, but really wasn't the case.
Mosier discusses that Churchill was going contrary to popular perception in his The World Crisis and was openly criticized for his iconoclastic interpretation of events. Of course, we do have to remember that he was responsible for some of the mistakes made by the Allies (the mess at the Dardenelles, in particular).
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 02, 2019 09:39 AM (5Yee7)
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I was taught the opposite, that the Allies were doomed until we came in. That was in the 60s.
BTW, I will defend the Dardanelles as a strategic conception; the execution was botched. And Churchill's fingerprints are on both. (The basic idea was not entirely his conception, though he does give that impression.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:00 AM (VaN/j)
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Thanks Bozo, I mis-read the attribution for those quotes. Ellis was the one I really liked.
Posted by: motionview at June 02, 2019 10:01 AM (pYQR/)
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68 Starting Graham Greene's "The Power and the Glory" as a reward for finishing grading finals. Dreadful task. I'm thinking of just giving everyone D scores and only changing them if the student complains.
Posted by: Smallish Bees at June 02, 2019 09:40 AM (yjhOG)
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I hope that those who complain get Fs.
Posted by: Smallish Bees at June 02, 2019 09:40 AM (yjhOG)
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I hope that those who complain get Fs.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:01 AM (VaN/j)
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Grant's Memoir is very good and I think pretty frank. Amazing to think he wrote it while dying of cancer.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer
It is very good, and sits on the bookshelf next to Rommel's Papers (mentioned above). My copy of Sherman's autobiography is next to it, and my copy of James Longstreet's autobiography should be there, but my BiL has had it for years.
There is a lot of gossip that Samuel Clemens (who published Grant's Memoirs) was a ghost writer for it and re-wrote parts of it.
Grant died just a few days after it was completed, and the publishing and selling of the book somewhat restored his family's fortunes, because they were broke and bankrupt.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer
It is very good, and sits on the bookshelf next to Rommel's Papers (mentioned above). My copy of Sherman's autobiography is next to it, and my copy of James Longstreet's autobiography should be there, but my BiL has had it for years.
There is a lot of gossip that Samuel Clemens (who published Grant's Memoirs) was a ghost writer for it and re-wrote parts of it.
Grant died just a few days after it was completed, and the publishing and selling of the book somewhat restored his family's fortunes, because they were broke and bankrupt.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 02, 2019 10:04 AM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Weasel at June 02, 2019 10:05 AM (MVjcR)
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France after the Great War occupied the Ruhr area. But it was too far away from those in Berlin to fully grasp how they lost the peace.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 10:07 AM (tLmOq)
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For a really good behind the scenes look at the Admiralty in through 1915, I strongly recommend Portrait of an Admiral by Arthur Marder. It's partly a short bio of Sir Herbert Richmond, but the best part is the 2nd half which is Richmond's own journal. One entry begins "I do believe Winston is mad."
Richmond had brilliant but extremely combative mind. He was one of the founders of the Naval Review, with Dewar and the wonderfully named Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
Richmond had brilliant but extremely combative mind. He was one of the founders of the Naval Review, with Dewar and the wonderfully named Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:07 AM (VaN/j)
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Hi Weasel! At Casa de Weasel this weekend, I see. Beautiful weather here, no?
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:08 AM (aXucN)
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I was taught the opposite, that the Allies were doomed until we came in. That was in the 60s.
BTW, I will defend the Dardanelles as a strategic conception; the execution was botched. And Churchill's fingerprints are on both. (The basic idea was not entirely his conception, though he does give that impression.)
Posted by: Eeyore
The war in the East (Russia) had ended with Red October, and the new Soviet government negotiating a separate peace with the German Empire (who had smuggled Lenin into Russia from Finland - good move!)
This freed up the eastern German Armies to move into the West. Simultaneously, the Armerican army units began to arrive in Europe. New German offensives were starting, and if we hadn't entered the war, the Allies might have then lost.
BTW, I will defend the Dardanelles as a strategic conception; the execution was botched. And Churchill's fingerprints are on both. (The basic idea was not entirely his conception, though he does give that impression.)
Posted by: Eeyore
The war in the East (Russia) had ended with Red October, and the new Soviet government negotiating a separate peace with the German Empire (who had smuggled Lenin into Russia from Finland - good move!)
This freed up the eastern German Armies to move into the West. Simultaneously, the Armerican army units began to arrive in Europe. New German offensives were starting, and if we hadn't entered the war, the Allies might have then lost.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 02, 2019 10:08 AM (S6Pax)
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There is a lot of gossip that Samuel Clemens (who published Grant's Memoirs) was a ghost writer for it and re-wrote parts of it.
Grant died just a few days after it was completed, and the publishing and selling of the book somewhat restored his family's fortunes, because they were broke and bankrupt.
It's free on Kindle, fwiw. I've downloaded it but not yet started it.
Churchill's six volume memoir did much the same for his family's finances. Even though he was an aristo he never really had money and never ever had as much as he spent.
The British government giving him access to all the records, and research help, and permission to publish it all, was sort of its way of saying thank you for winning the war. It was a best seller and he finally got rich.
Grant died just a few days after it was completed, and the publishing and selling of the book somewhat restored his family's fortunes, because they were broke and bankrupt.
It's free on Kindle, fwiw. I've downloaded it but not yet started it.
Churchill's six volume memoir did much the same for his family's finances. Even though he was an aristo he never really had money and never ever had as much as he spent.
The British government giving him access to all the records, and research help, and permission to publish it all, was sort of its way of saying thank you for winning the war. It was a best seller and he finally got rich.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 10:08 AM (fuK7c)
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Posted by: Sharkman at June 02, 2019 09:33 AM (smc0A)
Eldest Kidlet just started book 5 of the series. She tells me about them as they go along. I've been impressed at how the authors tried to keep the physics and psychology of humanity accurate.
Eldest Kidlet just started book 5 of the series. She tells me about them as they go along. I've been impressed at how the authors tried to keep the physics and psychology of humanity accurate.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 02, 2019 10:08 AM (uquGJ)
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79 ... Retired Buckeye Cop, Thanks for reminding me about the Perry Mason books. I've read several and have a few on the shelf I never got to. They are good mysteries, fun, often funny, and so different from the TV show. Definitely worth the read.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 10:08 AM (bmdz3)
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The wreck photo is the SS America....she had an interesting history....and a sad end.
Posted by: BignJames at June 02, 2019 10:09 AM (ykq7q)
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Thanks for the shout out to Travis Corcoran's Powers of Earth and Causes of Separation. They're like Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, only way better.
The winner of the CLFA Book-of-the-Year Award was Declan Finn's Hell Spawn: a police officer blessed with "saintly" powers takes on the forces of darkness and their human allies in NYC. Worth checking out.
I also finally got Peter McLoughlin's and Tommy Robinson's Mohammed's Koran. It sets forth the Koran in chronological order making clear the way in which latter verses cancel out earlier verses. I see it has been detected and deleted from Amazon again, but you may be able to buy it through your local bookstore.
The winner of the CLFA Book-of-the-Year Award was Declan Finn's Hell Spawn: a police officer blessed with "saintly" powers takes on the forces of darkness and their human allies in NYC. Worth checking out.
I also finally got Peter McLoughlin's and Tommy Robinson's Mohammed's Koran. It sets forth the Koran in chronological order making clear the way in which latter verses cancel out earlier verses. I see it has been detected and deleted from Amazon again, but you may be able to buy it through your local bookstore.
Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at June 02, 2019 10:09 AM (FXjhj)
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38 32 If the woman who dismembered Justin Amash in the sidebar writes a book, I'll buy it.
Hell, if she's single, I'll marry her.
Anyone know who she is?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (+Abq4)
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Can't recall her name but she was on Judge Jeanine last night.
Posted by: Weasel at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (iAerA)
Hm, skimmed the show but didn't see her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnLU3o9VcYg
Hell, if she's single, I'll marry her.
Anyone know who she is?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 02, 2019 09:23 AM (+Abq4)
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Can't recall her name but she was on Judge Jeanine last night.
Posted by: Weasel at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (iAerA)
Hm, skimmed the show but didn't see her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnLU3o9VcYg
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 02, 2019 10:09 AM (+Abq4)
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It is very good, and sits on the bookshelf next to Rommel's Papers (mentioned above). My copy of Sherman's autobiography is next to it, and my copy of James Longstreet's autobiography should be there, but my BiL has had it for years.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 02, 2019 10:04 AM (S6Pax)
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I'll finish up my autobiography soon so you can put it on that bookshelf in the vacant space. You're welcome.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 02, 2019 10:04 AM (S6Pax)
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I'll finish up my autobiography soon so you can put it on that bookshelf in the vacant space. You're welcome.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:09 AM (aXucN)
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Question. At that stage in the war, would it have been possible to simply set up an integral naval blockade of the Japanese home islands, and enforce a no-fly zone? Just keep them bottled up in the home islands, and starve them of resources until their reime collapsed from within?
In other words, would an invasion have really been necessary to prevent Japan from doing further damage in the world?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2019 09:45 AM (7njPr)
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I don't think there's any doubt we could have done that, pretty much. Hell, we had already achieved close to total blockade. We would have had to keep bombing to make it really effective; destroying all but the most primitive internal communications.
The trouble is that it would take a long time. But we certainly could reduce Japan to cannibalism.
Question. At that stage in the war, would it have been possible to simply set up an integral naval blockade of the Japanese home islands, and enforce a no-fly zone? Just keep them bottled up in the home islands, and starve them of resources until their reime collapsed from within?
In other words, would an invasion have really been necessary to prevent Japan from doing further damage in the world?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 02, 2019 09:45 AM (7njPr)
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I don't think there's any doubt we could have done that, pretty much. Hell, we had already achieved close to total blockade. We would have had to keep bombing to make it really effective; destroying all but the most primitive internal communications.
The trouble is that it would take a long time. But we certainly could reduce Japan to cannibalism.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:10 AM (VaN/j)
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It's a problem I see a lot, but which is not easy
to describe. It's not simply a disagreement about premises, but about
having a completely different set of assumptions about what those mean.
It's like operating on two different planes; with some parallels, but
not really meeting. Or perhaps of different paradigms of how the world
is.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:54 AM (VaN/j)
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I think the criticism comes from three sources.
The first is the one you mention, that a lot of the David French-ists simply can't comprehend the world as it is. They won't face reality and that's why they keep failing. They're the WW I generals who think more artillery and greater masses of troops will blow a hole in enemy lines.
The second is dishonesty. There is a lot of grift in the status quo for those on the inside, and I've noticed at a lot of the NR types refuse to be honest about what they are doing and what they expect to accomplish.
Finally, there's pride. French's self conception is that he's better than everyone else, and his followers (real ones, not the fake bots) agree. They are Calvin's Elect and that's why - in a debate about *ideas* - they keep muddying the issue with *biography*.
David French is an Iraq Veteran with an adopted kid. Therefore you must listen to the gentle, moral paragon of virtue. If you don't, you aren't virtuous yourself.
By the way, I think there is a strong overlap between 2 and 3. Biography is basically an appeal to authority, which is profoundly weak, particularly in a debate about ideas.
to describe. It's not simply a disagreement about premises, but about
having a completely different set of assumptions about what those mean.
It's like operating on two different planes; with some parallels, but
not really meeting. Or perhaps of different paradigms of how the world
is.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 09:54 AM (VaN/j)
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I think the criticism comes from three sources.
The first is the one you mention, that a lot of the David French-ists simply can't comprehend the world as it is. They won't face reality and that's why they keep failing. They're the WW I generals who think more artillery and greater masses of troops will blow a hole in enemy lines.
The second is dishonesty. There is a lot of grift in the status quo for those on the inside, and I've noticed at a lot of the NR types refuse to be honest about what they are doing and what they expect to accomplish.
Finally, there's pride. French's self conception is that he's better than everyone else, and his followers (real ones, not the fake bots) agree. They are Calvin's Elect and that's why - in a debate about *ideas* - they keep muddying the issue with *biography*.
David French is an Iraq Veteran with an adopted kid. Therefore you must listen to the gentle, moral paragon of virtue. If you don't, you aren't virtuous yourself.
By the way, I think there is a strong overlap between 2 and 3. Biography is basically an appeal to authority, which is profoundly weak, particularly in a debate about ideas.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:10 AM (cfSRQ)
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114 Hi Weasel! At Casa de Weasel this weekend, I see. Beautiful weather here, no?
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:08 AM (aXucN)
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Sure am! The last two weekends were 3 nighters at the farm, so I thought I'd stay home and do some things around here. I had thought about doing some work-work but it's been too nice weather-wise.
114 Hi Weasel! At Casa de Weasel this weekend, I see. Beautiful weather here, no?
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:08 AM (aXucN)
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Sure am! The last two weekends were 3 nighters at the farm, so I thought I'd stay home and do some things around here. I had thought about doing some work-work but it's been too nice weather-wise.
Posted by: Weasel at June 02, 2019 10:11 AM (MVjcR)
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I'll finish up my autobiography soon so you can put it on that bookshelf in the vacant space. You're welcome.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:09 AM (aXucN)
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Do you plan on talking about TDG or is that still a painful memory?
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:09 AM (aXucN)
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Do you plan on talking about TDG or is that still a painful memory?
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:12 AM (WEBkv)
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 02, 2019 10:13 AM (dm05u)
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Congrats to the CLFA winners!
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (dm05u)
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I'll finish up my autobiography soon so you can put it on that bookshelf in the vacant space. You're welcome.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:09 AM (aXucN)
"Snitches Get Stitches and End Up in Ditches and Other Bedtime Stories For Children, by bluebell"
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:09 AM (aXucN)
"Snitches Get Stitches and End Up in Ditches and Other Bedtime Stories For Children, by bluebell"
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (t+qrx)
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I've just started reading Cryptconimicon (I probably spelled that incorrectly) by Neal Stephenson.
So far I like it far more than Quicksilver, which I really struggled to read. It just seemed like a dense mass of historical factoids and it did not capture my imagination.
So far I like it far more than Quicksilver, which I really struggled to read. It just seemed like a dense mass of historical factoids and it did not capture my imagination.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (JgA4k)
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Gallipoli was Anzio before Anzio.
The plan was pretty good, just the execution sucked.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 09:57 AM (tLmOq)
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That brings up a good point regarding Churchill pushing for invading Italy ahead of France.
Which is: the Allies needed practice, lots of it, in order for landings to succeed. Landing in North Africa, Sicily and Italy got a lot of the kinks worked out before the Big Show.
Gallipoli was Anzio before Anzio.
The plan was pretty good, just the execution sucked.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 09:57 AM (tLmOq)
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That brings up a good point regarding Churchill pushing for invading Italy ahead of France.
Which is: the Allies needed practice, lots of it, in order for landings to succeed. Landing in North Africa, Sicily and Italy got a lot of the kinks worked out before the Big Show.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (cfSRQ)
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78 For a nation that depended upon its very existence on ships carrying vital materials, Japan never really grasped the concept of merchant ship convoys until late in the war even as American subs sank everything that flew the flag of the rising sun.
In Hoyt's U-boats Offshore the reader watches as Americans learn that even coastal shipping needs to be in convoys along with Miami really needed to turn off all the lights.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (tLmOq)
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It's funny that we entered the first war as big advocates of convoys, but the 2nd as skeptics. Strictly, the 1942 view was that inadequately escorted convoys were worse than no convoys at all. An odd parallel with the view that B-17s didn't need escorts. Neither survived the experience of war.
78 For a nation that depended upon its very existence on ships carrying vital materials, Japan never really grasped the concept of merchant ship convoys until late in the war even as American subs sank everything that flew the flag of the rising sun.
In Hoyt's U-boats Offshore the reader watches as Americans learn that even coastal shipping needs to be in convoys along with Miami really needed to turn off all the lights.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 09:46 AM (tLmOq)
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It's funny that we entered the first war as big advocates of convoys, but the 2nd as skeptics. Strictly, the 1942 view was that inadequately escorted convoys were worse than no convoys at all. An odd parallel with the view that B-17s didn't need escorts. Neither survived the experience of war.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:15 AM (VaN/j)
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Good morning. Spending the day caring for convalescing granddoggeh. He's a 16, arthritic. geri, who doesn't like limitations.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 10:15 AM (U7k5w)
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Do you plan on talking about TDG or is that still a painful memory?
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:12 AM (WEBkv)
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TDG - The Untold Story.
Do you plan on talking about TDG or is that still a painful memory?
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:12 AM (WEBkv)
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TDG - The Untold Story.
Posted by: Weasel at June 02, 2019 10:15 AM (MVjcR)
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Just finished "Saturn Run". John Stanford and something calling it's self Ctien. Set in the near future, the US and China are racing to Saturn to find out wth some aliens are doing there. A pretty good story with a minimal amount of SJW bs. The authors do a pretty good job of using theoretically possible science instead of future "magic" to power the spaceships. Light reading and fun.
More importantly, to me at least, I bought it at Ollie's. They have very inexpensive bargain books. You can't go wrong buying a book with a cover price of $25 for $3.99 or $4.99. If you have an Ollie's nearby, check them out for yourself. Lot's of nonfiction books too.
More importantly, to me at least, I bought it at Ollie's. They have very inexpensive bargain books. You can't go wrong buying a book with a cover price of $25 for $3.99 or $4.99. If you have an Ollie's nearby, check them out for yourself. Lot's of nonfiction books too.
Posted by: weirdflunky at June 02, 2019 10:16 AM (GwY6O)
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"Snitches Get Stitches and End Up in Ditches and Other Bedtime Stories For Children, by bluebell"
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (t+qrx)
I'd buy that
in fact I volunteer to illustrate it
"Snitches Get Stitches and End Up in Ditches and Other Bedtime Stories For Children, by bluebell"
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (t+qrx)
I'd buy that
in fact I volunteer to illustrate it
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 02, 2019 10:16 AM (dm05u)
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So far I like it far more than Quicksilver, which I really struggled to read. It just seemed like a dense mass of historical factoids and it did not capture my imagination.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (JgA4k)
He's had some good stuff, but nothing better than Cryptonomicon before or since. Aside from the Stephenson Curse, it's perfect.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (JgA4k)
He's had some good stuff, but nothing better than Cryptonomicon before or since. Aside from the Stephenson Curse, it's perfect.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:17 AM (t+qrx)
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Speaking of pot (just once more), one sad effect is to make talentless hacks think they can create entertaining media. Like
The Collected Head Shop Comix
All six classic issues of the 1990s mini-comic, many re-scanned from the original art work, some with color added. Includes background notes and newer material, plus an SSD featuring newer animations, and songs.
Not available at Amazon, in stores, or on late night cable TV infomercial, but it is all free online. ("Free" meaning be sure to at least glance at the donation buttons, on every page.)
Page one of Head Shop #1 linked in nic.
Which is only to say, just what is a "book"? (See? I was just posing a literary-ish philosphical-ish question, not merely doing self-plugola for tired old webworx.)
The Collected Head Shop Comix
All six classic issues of the 1990s mini-comic, many re-scanned from the original art work, some with color added. Includes background notes and newer material, plus an SSD featuring newer animations, and songs.
Not available at Amazon, in stores, or on late night cable TV infomercial, but it is all free online. ("Free" meaning be sure to at least glance at the donation buttons, on every page.)
Page one of Head Shop #1 linked in nic.
Which is only to say, just what is a "book"? (See? I was just posing a literary-ish philosphical-ish question, not merely doing self-plugola for tired old webworx.)
Posted by: mindful webworker - click for geezer comix at June 02, 2019 10:17 AM (qjfjx)
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Houston fans have been known to be completely gauche.
Posted by: Fritz at June 02, 2019 10:17 AM (LuPts)
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in fact I volunteer to illustrate it
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 02, 2019 10:16 AM (dm05u)
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How good are you at drawing sporks?
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 02, 2019 10:16 AM (dm05u)
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How good are you at drawing sporks?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 02, 2019 10:19 AM (EZebt)
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Do you plan on talking about TDG or is that still a painful memory?
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:12 AM (WEBkv)
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I've recovered. In fact, I'm cooking from it today! I'm making LizLem's Kalua Pork for my son's birthday. It's his favorite meal.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:12 AM (WEBkv)
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I've recovered. In fact, I'm cooking from it today! I'm making LizLem's Kalua Pork for my son's birthday. It's his favorite meal.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:20 AM (aXucN)
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139 Houston fans have been known to be completely gauche.
Posted by: Fritz at June 02, 2019 10:17 AM (LuPts)
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Great baseball team, though.
However, they did lose the season series to my Twins.
Posted by: Fritz at June 02, 2019 10:17 AM (LuPts)
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Great baseball team, though.
However, they did lose the season series to my Twins.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:21 AM (WEBkv)
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Travis Corcoran's books are quite good. He's planning on a third installment, but real life (computer programmer and hobby farm in NH) is getting in the way. His main complaint is ROI. So far he estimates he's earned $7.50/hr for writing them and can make far more doing other things, so buy those books!
He also occasionally offers the first book for .99 to gin up sales. That's how I got hooked.
Look him up on Twitter at @MorlockP.
He also occasionally offers the first book for .99 to gin up sales. That's how I got hooked.
Look him up on Twitter at @MorlockP.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 02, 2019 10:21 AM (ijEPD)
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"Snitches Get Stitches and End Up in Ditches and Other Bedtime Stories For Children, by bluebell"
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (t+qrx)
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Oh, I like that! Can I hire you as my ghostwriter?
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:14 AM (t+qrx)
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Oh, I like that! Can I hire you as my ghostwriter?
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:21 AM (aXucN)
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Oh, I like that! Can I hire you as my ghostwriter?
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:21 AM (aXucN)
Not if it means Knowing Too Much.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:21 AM (aXucN)
Not if it means Knowing Too Much.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:22 AM (t+qrx)
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Finally, there's pride. French's self conception is that he's better than everyone else, and his followers (real ones, not the fake bots) agree. They are Calvin's Elect and that's why - in a debate about *ideas* - they keep muddying the issue with *biography*.
Have you read - not that I'd recommend it - that mincing queen George Will's latest column? It's yet variant 1015 of "Of course, impeachment is an awful thing, but Drumpf is such a horrible, tasteless boor, he simply must be impeached in the interest of political hygiene."
Yet not a word about ambulatory skinmark bombthrowers such as Ilhan, Gasoline Maxine or Rancid Talib.
Will needs to be taken to the Cubs' dugout, told to pick out the Louisville Slugger of his choice and then forced to take it wide end first up the squeakhole.
Have you read - not that I'd recommend it - that mincing queen George Will's latest column? It's yet variant 1015 of "Of course, impeachment is an awful thing, but Drumpf is such a horrible, tasteless boor, he simply must be impeached in the interest of political hygiene."
Yet not a word about ambulatory skinmark bombthrowers such as Ilhan, Gasoline Maxine or Rancid Talib.
Will needs to be taken to the Cubs' dugout, told to pick out the Louisville Slugger of his choice and then forced to take it wide end first up the squeakhole.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:22 AM (Ki5SV)
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95 ... MP4, Thanks for the mention of the Annotated Grant's Memoires. Fortunately, our local library has it (to my astonishment). Both copies are checked out so I just put it on reserve.
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Posted by: weirdflunky at June 02, 2019 10:16 AM (GwY6O)
I read Saturn Run a little while ago - library loan - and for the life of me I can't remember a thing about it.
I read Saturn Run a little while ago - library loan - and for the life of me I can't remember a thing about it.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 02, 2019 10:23 AM (ijEPD)
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I first encountered the Zinn text in college. It was risible Communist propaganda, and I said so many, many times over the course of the semester I had to use it (this was 15 years ago, when dissent in colleges was still a thing).
After the semester wrapped up, occasional commenter Pinochet's Sunglasses and I took that and another text (Chomsky, IIRC) up to the range and put the AKs to them.
After the semester wrapped up, occasional commenter Pinochet's Sunglasses and I took that and another text (Chomsky, IIRC) up to the range and put the AKs to them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 02, 2019 10:23 AM (5aX2M)
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Not if it means Knowing Too Much.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe
Not much chance of that, with you being a Michigan State grad and all.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe
Not much chance of that, with you being a Michigan State grad and all.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 02, 2019 10:23 AM (S6Pax)
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Britain's sea power offered this as a way to break the deadlock. The problem was the execution.
No one but Churchill understood how important speed was to the enterprise. Get ashore and get moving!
The other issue was that all the best commanders were on the Western Front leaving Churchill with the second string, who were old and slow.
But the concept was sound.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:55 AM (cfSRQ)
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Largely true, but Churchill's own performance was partly at fault. His attempt "by ships alone" did nothing but cause the Turks to recognize the danger. (And in WWII, he contributed to just the sort of f-ups in the Norway campaign.)
Also, it wasn't "Churchill's idea", simpliciter. In the book I just cited, there is a memo from Richmond to Fisher that is probably the real origin of the Dardanelles expedition. Interestingly, by the time of the actual invasion, Richmond was arguing that, since everyone on the Axis side knew where it was going, he thought they should land somewhere else. He recommended Aleppo, where the only railroad they had ran close to the sea.
Britain's sea power offered this as a way to break the deadlock. The problem was the execution.
No one but Churchill understood how important speed was to the enterprise. Get ashore and get moving!
The other issue was that all the best commanders were on the Western Front leaving Churchill with the second string, who were old and slow.
But the concept was sound.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:55 AM (cfSRQ)
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Largely true, but Churchill's own performance was partly at fault. His attempt "by ships alone" did nothing but cause the Turks to recognize the danger. (And in WWII, he contributed to just the sort of f-ups in the Norway campaign.)
Also, it wasn't "Churchill's idea", simpliciter. In the book I just cited, there is a memo from Richmond to Fisher that is probably the real origin of the Dardanelles expedition. Interestingly, by the time of the actual invasion, Richmond was arguing that, since everyone on the Axis side knew where it was going, he thought they should land somewhere else. He recommended Aleppo, where the only railroad they had ran close to the sea.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:24 AM (VaN/j)
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96... Agreed. I like the Jacoby Cadfael portrayal but the books are better. The one hour TV shows don't allow for enough historical aspects that make the books so rich.
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Not much chance of that, with you being a Michigan State grad and all.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 02, 2019 10:23 AM (S6Pax)
Aha, gotcha! I never graduated!
...that sounded better in my head, just now.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 02, 2019 10:23 AM (S6Pax)
Aha, gotcha! I never graduated!
...that sounded better in my head, just now.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:25 AM (t+qrx)
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Will needs to be taken to the Cubs' dugout, told to pick out the Louisville Slugger of his choice and then forced to take it wide end first up the squeakhole.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:22 AM (Ki5SV)
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Hopefully after the ash handle shampoo.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:22 AM (Ki5SV)
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Hopefully after the ash handle shampoo.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:25 AM (WEBkv)
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"New History" textbook...how about Michael Bellesiles? I hear he wrote a "history" book.
Someone should buy the rights to publish a fancy leather-bound set of Bellesiles and the new Naomi Wolf book.
Someone should buy the rights to publish a fancy leather-bound set of Bellesiles and the new Naomi Wolf book.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 10:25 AM (qc+VF)
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Massive congratulations to Oldsailor's Poet for his finish in the book contest. His Amy Lynn stories are wonderful.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 10:26 AM (bmdz3)
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Will needs to be taken to the Cubs' dugout, told to pick out the Louisville Slugger of his choice and then forced to take it wide end first up the squeakhole.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
The Rise of Trump and the Deplorables has broken Will's iron rice bowl of being Mr. Know-it-all Conservative.
I read a book of his years ago, and he came across as being a Big Government Guy, in which the scales fell from my eyes.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
The Rise of Trump and the Deplorables has broken Will's iron rice bowl of being Mr. Know-it-all Conservative.
I read a book of his years ago, and he came across as being a Big Government Guy, in which the scales fell from my eyes.
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Aha, gotcha! I never graduated!
...that sounded better in my head, just now.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:25 AM (t+qrx)
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Yeah, been there, done that, had the fight with my wife...
Aha, gotcha! I never graduated!
...that sounded better in my head, just now.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 10:25 AM (t+qrx)
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Yeah, been there, done that, had the fight with my wife...
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5 Corgis dutifully called
More than halfway through The Caine Mutiny, can hardly put it down.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 09:02 AM (BbGew)
The only book I've ever read cover to cover in a single sitting. And I did that *twice*.
More than halfway through The Caine Mutiny, can hardly put it down.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 09:02 AM (BbGew)
The only book I've ever read cover to cover in a single sitting. And I did that *twice*.
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Slowly working through The Age of the Horse by Susanna Forest. Its part history, part travelogue; in that a lot of sections are just Susanna talking about how her trip went when she traveled to a place during her research. Those parts are boring, and really don't flow well at all. The historical stuff has been interesting.
Also reading some old Savage Sword of Conan comics. Its a tragedy just how little these are remembered nowadays. Yeah, the Boris Vallejo covers are still referenced by a few, but the interior art, by John Buscema and others, is just as awesome, if not moreso. I'm sad to have lived this long before discovering it.
...And the indy comic trade Punchline arrived this week. Pretty cool art.
Also reading some old Savage Sword of Conan comics. Its a tragedy just how little these are remembered nowadays. Yeah, the Boris Vallejo covers are still referenced by a few, but the interior art, by John Buscema and others, is just as awesome, if not moreso. I'm sad to have lived this long before discovering it.
...And the indy comic trade Punchline arrived this week. Pretty cool art.
Posted by: Castle Guy at June 02, 2019 10:31 AM (Lhaco)
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99 ... "'I'd bet money Steve Allen was thinking of Lives when he created his TV show Meeting of the Minds."
Most of those shows are available on Youtube. My dim memories of the program says they would be worth watching. Besides, I think Steve Allen was an under appreciated genius.
Most of those shows are available on Youtube. My dim memories of the program says they would be worth watching. Besides, I think Steve Allen was an under appreciated genius.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 10:32 AM (bmdz3)
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Weasel, two US firearms history books I recommend to you. But...they are long out of print and used copies are $$$expensive$$$. Amazon sellers have them, if you can afford them. Look for cheaper copies if you're ever in used book stores.
The Great Rifle Controversy, by Edward Ezell. A history of post-WW2 US Army lightweight rifle development efforts, including the story of how the Army selected the .308 cartridge and forced it on NATO, got the M14 instead of the FAL as the M1 replacement, and how the M16 back-door replaced the M14.
SPIW: The Greatest Weapon That Never Was, by R. Blake Stevens. A history of flechette firearm development by the Army's Springfield Armory after WW2, and how flechette guns were mandated by Ordnance in DC to be combined with an attached grenade launcher, creating a monstrosity that never made it close to troop-issue. Lots and lots of dollars and design time expended up the early 60s, mostly wasted.
The Great Rifle Controversy, by Edward Ezell. A history of post-WW2 US Army lightweight rifle development efforts, including the story of how the Army selected the .308 cartridge and forced it on NATO, got the M14 instead of the FAL as the M1 replacement, and how the M16 back-door replaced the M14.
SPIW: The Greatest Weapon That Never Was, by R. Blake Stevens. A history of flechette firearm development by the Army's Springfield Armory after WW2, and how flechette guns were mandated by Ordnance in DC to be combined with an attached grenade launcher, creating a monstrosity that never made it close to troop-issue. Lots and lots of dollars and design time expended up the early 60s, mostly wasted.
Posted by: Gref at June 02, 2019 10:32 AM (AMIL/)
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That is a great looking library. I'd love to have a room like that.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 10:33 AM (NWiLs)
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SPIW: The Greatest Weapon That Never Was, by R. Blake Stevens. A history of flechette firearm development by the Army's Springfield Armory after WW2, and how flechette guns were mandated by Ordnance in DC to be combined with an attached grenade launcher, creating a monstrosity that never made it close to troop-issue. Lots and lots of dollars and design time expended up the early 60s, mostly wasted.
Posted by: Gref at June 02, 2019 10:32 AM (AMIL/)
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in other words, SOP when it comes to weapons procurement.
Posted by: Gref at June 02, 2019 10:32 AM (AMIL/)
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in other words, SOP when it comes to weapons procurement.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:33 AM (WEBkv)
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David French is an Iraq Veteran with an adopted kid. Therefore you must listen to the gentle, moral paragon of virtue.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:10 AM (cfSRQ)
I would like to revise and extend these remarks: David French is an Iraq Veteran with a mixed-race adopted child. More precisely, the adoptee is black, so DF is now head of a mixed-race family. This makes him even more inherently virtuous than either you or I. We can only bask in the light given off by his righteousness.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:10 AM (cfSRQ)
I would like to revise and extend these remarks: David French is an Iraq Veteran with a mixed-race adopted child. More precisely, the adoptee is black, so DF is now head of a mixed-race family. This makes him even more inherently virtuous than either you or I. We can only bask in the light given off by his righteousness.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 10:34 AM (w1MTk)
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Have you read - not that I'd recommend it - that mincing queen George Will's latest column? It's yet variant 1015 of "Of
course, impeachment is an awful thing, but Drumpf is such a horrible,
tasteless boor, he simply must be impeached in the interest of political
hygiene."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:22 AM (Ki5SV)
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That's why I bring up the dishonesty angle.
They talk about Trump's vices, but never his virtues. Trump shook hands with every graduate of both Annapolis and Colorado Springs last week. Every one.
That's presidential in the extreme. It is amazing. His critics - like Jonah G. who keep howling "show me his virtue!11!" like a broken record, refuse to see what is in front of them.
You can't have an honest discussion with this people, which is why they are being ignored. Ahmari bent over backwards to stress he was talking about ideas (though he did offer some snark) but the critics almost uniformly answered "How DARE you argue with this great man!"
It says something when our supposed great journals of thought and debate and the deep thinkers who work there are reduced to shooting spitballs and name-calling.
course, impeachment is an awful thing, but Drumpf is such a horrible,
tasteless boor, he simply must be impeached in the interest of political
hygiene."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:22 AM (Ki5SV)
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That's why I bring up the dishonesty angle.
They talk about Trump's vices, but never his virtues. Trump shook hands with every graduate of both Annapolis and Colorado Springs last week. Every one.
That's presidential in the extreme. It is amazing. His critics - like Jonah G. who keep howling "show me his virtue!11!" like a broken record, refuse to see what is in front of them.
You can't have an honest discussion with this people, which is why they are being ignored. Ahmari bent over backwards to stress he was talking about ideas (though he did offer some snark) but the critics almost uniformly answered "How DARE you argue with this great man!"
It says something when our supposed great journals of thought and debate and the deep thinkers who work there are reduced to shooting spitballs and name-calling.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:34 AM (cfSRQ)
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The first is the one you mention, that a lot of the David French-ists simply can't comprehend the world as it is. They won't face reality and that's why they keep failing. They're the WW I generals who think more artillery and greater masses of troops will blow a hole in enemy lines.
The second is dishonesty. There is a lot of grift in the status quo for those on the inside, and I've noticed at a lot of the NR types refuse to be honest about what they are doing and what they expect to accomplish.
Finally, there's pride. French's self conception is that he's better than everyone else, and his followers (real ones, not the fake bots) agree. They are Calvin's Elect and that's why - in a debate about *ideas* - they keep muddying the issue with *biography*.
David French is an Iraq Veteran with an adopted kid. Therefore you must listen to the gentle, moral paragon of virtue. If you don't, you aren't virtuous yourself.
By the way, I think there is a strong overlap between 2 and 3. Biography is basically an appeal to authority, which is profoundly weak, particularly in a debate about ideas.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:10 AM (cfSRQ)
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I see a connection more between 1 and 3. (Sure, dishonesty matters, but that's just human weakness.) It's something odd that sometimes arises in Calvinists (not in all). Of all people, they should be the least Pharisaic of all, with the heaviest emphasis on their own lack of worth. But sometimes it seems that they take their assurance of Election as making them into what they will be in heaven.
But the biggest problem (again, a factor here) is the completely different attitude toward freedom and autonomy. Amari's view is informed by the classical view; French's by the modern. I think (but am not certain) that Calvin was an early exemplar of the latter; in any case, it involves a very different view of causation and the will. And a different status of freedom itself (which cannot be a "good" properly understood - that is, in modern terms, a category mistake.)
The first is the one you mention, that a lot of the David French-ists simply can't comprehend the world as it is. They won't face reality and that's why they keep failing. They're the WW I generals who think more artillery and greater masses of troops will blow a hole in enemy lines.
The second is dishonesty. There is a lot of grift in the status quo for those on the inside, and I've noticed at a lot of the NR types refuse to be honest about what they are doing and what they expect to accomplish.
Finally, there's pride. French's self conception is that he's better than everyone else, and his followers (real ones, not the fake bots) agree. They are Calvin's Elect and that's why - in a debate about *ideas* - they keep muddying the issue with *biography*.
David French is an Iraq Veteran with an adopted kid. Therefore you must listen to the gentle, moral paragon of virtue. If you don't, you aren't virtuous yourself.
By the way, I think there is a strong overlap between 2 and 3. Biography is basically an appeal to authority, which is profoundly weak, particularly in a debate about ideas.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:10 AM (cfSRQ)
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I see a connection more between 1 and 3. (Sure, dishonesty matters, but that's just human weakness.) It's something odd that sometimes arises in Calvinists (not in all). Of all people, they should be the least Pharisaic of all, with the heaviest emphasis on their own lack of worth. But sometimes it seems that they take their assurance of Election as making them into what they will be in heaven.
But the biggest problem (again, a factor here) is the completely different attitude toward freedom and autonomy. Amari's view is informed by the classical view; French's by the modern. I think (but am not certain) that Calvin was an early exemplar of the latter; in any case, it involves a very different view of causation and the will. And a different status of freedom itself (which cannot be a "good" properly understood - that is, in modern terms, a category mistake.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:35 AM (VaN/j)
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Morning groovy kids. Just ordered the Wodehouse collection because need something light and funny. Hammer said it is and well he's funny.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 02, 2019 10:36 AM (OX6sG)
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Most of those shows are available on Youtube. My dim memories of the program says they would be worth watching. Besides, I think Steve Allen was an under appreciated genius.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 10:32 AM (bmdz3)
I liked Allen. He was an old-school liberal. You could disagree with him without him shrieking about how you're a racist and calling up your employer to try to get you fired.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 10:32 AM (bmdz3)
I liked Allen. He was an old-school liberal. You could disagree with him without him shrieking about how you're a racist and calling up your employer to try to get you fired.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 10:36 AM (w1MTk)
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164 SPIW: The Greatest Weapon That Never Was, by R. Blake Stevens. A history of flechette firearm development by the Army's Springfield Armory after WW2, and how flechette guns were mandated by Ordnance in DC to be combined with an attached grenade launcher, creating a monstrosity that never made it close to troop-issue. Lots and lots of dollars and design time expended up the early 60s, mostly wasted.
Posted by: Gref at June 02, 2019 10:32 AM (AMIL/)
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in other words, SOP when it comes to weapons procurement.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:33 AM (WEBkv)
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D K Brown, a Brit naval architect, had a rule that the Mark II lightweight ALWAYS weighed more than the Mark I.
Posted by: Gref at June 02, 2019 10:32 AM (AMIL/)
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in other words, SOP when it comes to weapons procurement.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 02, 2019 10:33 AM (WEBkv)
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D K Brown, a Brit naval architect, had a rule that the Mark II lightweight ALWAYS weighed more than the Mark I.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:39 AM (VaN/j)
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When GWB'sROP (Oct '01) sent their killers out to kill infidels 1,600 years ago; they would have 'em smoke hast to make em meaner and madder! The Crusaders modified this to today's ASSASSIN Muslims have never been peaeful, never will be!
How could a guy with 3 (drei, tres) Ivy League degrees be so wrong about world history?
How could a guy with 3 (drei, tres) Ivy League degrees be so wrong about world history?
Posted by: an ol exaJahead at June 02, 2019 10:40 AM (9mdB2)
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I saw Rick Atkinson, author of the Liberation Trilogy about America in WWII's Mediterranean and European theaters, on CSPN hawking his new book, The British Are Coming, the first in a new trilogy about the Revolution, and he did not make a good impression. He seemed an arrogant asshole who went out of his way to curry favour with his milieu, NYT journalists and academicians by, for example, harping on George Washington's 300 slaves. I almost didn't buy the book particularly because it seemed he had committed the greatest and most common of an historian's faults, judging the past by the standards of the present, but the Liberation Trilogy was very good neither whitewashing history nor hating on America. I did buy the book and have begun to read it.
So far, it is quite good. He does mention the weakness of the colonists' position. After having spent 100,000,000 pounds defending America from the French in the French andIndian First Peoples War, exaggerating somewhat, which George Washington started, the Brits wanted the Americans to kick in some taxes to help reduce the debt that they'd incurred protecting us from having to eat snails. (Half the English taxes went to paying interest on the debt.) The average American paid 1/50th the taxes of the average Brit. But he also mentions that this was a new birth of freedom in the world that has helped all, even the Brits themselves.
The book is filled with fascinating detail. When George III went to review the Royal Navy, he avoided a certain town because the law there was that whenever the king visited, he was to be supplied with three whores. (Doesn't say whether that was called the Clinton rule.)
So, bottom line, despite his association with SJW crowd, this book seems good.
So far, it is quite good. He does mention the weakness of the colonists' position. After having spent 100,000,000 pounds defending America from the French in the French and
The book is filled with fascinating detail. When George III went to review the Royal Navy, he avoided a certain town because the law there was that whenever the king visited, he was to be supplied with three whores. (Doesn't say whether that was called the Clinton rule.)
So, bottom line, despite his association with SJW crowd, this book seems good.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 10:40 AM (+y/Ru)
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Have you read - not that I'd recommend it - that mincing queen George Will's latest column?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:22 AM (Ki5SV)
No, it's Sunday morning and not only will it undoubtedly fill my head with thoughts that are not conducive to proper worship, but also, I want to keep my breakfast down.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:22 AM (Ki5SV)
No, it's Sunday morning and not only will it undoubtedly fill my head with thoughts that are not conducive to proper worship, but also, I want to keep my breakfast down.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 10:41 AM (w1MTk)
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I would like to revise and extend these remarks: David French is an Iraq Veteran with a mixed-race
adopted child. More precisely, the adoptee is black, so DF is now head
of a mixed-race family. This makes him even more inherently virtuous
than either you or I. We can only bask in the light given off by his
righteousness.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 10:34 AM (w1MTk)
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You bring up a point that's been bothering me for a while. I always understood adoption to be partly about *seamlessly* integrating someone into your family. They become legally "your blood kin" in every way.
Anyone remember the old trope about parents one day sitting you down and tell you you're adopted? Seems like it was on after school specials back in the day.
Lately it seems adoption is being used as something else. You want everyone to know you adopted a kid. Why? Is it a burden on you? Does the kid owe you something? I thought adoption was also a gift to the parents, who might now otherwise have had a child to love and nurture. All of my kids are blessings.
I find this whole "You know, adopting is so much more Christian and virtuous that having your own children" thing not only creepy but objectively evil. It reduces the kid to a merit badge.
adopted child. More precisely, the adoptee is black, so DF is now head
of a mixed-race family. This makes him even more inherently virtuous
than either you or I. We can only bask in the light given off by his
righteousness.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 10:34 AM (w1MTk)
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You bring up a point that's been bothering me for a while. I always understood adoption to be partly about *seamlessly* integrating someone into your family. They become legally "your blood kin" in every way.
Anyone remember the old trope about parents one day sitting you down and tell you you're adopted? Seems like it was on after school specials back in the day.
Lately it seems adoption is being used as something else. You want everyone to know you adopted a kid. Why? Is it a burden on you? Does the kid owe you something? I thought adoption was also a gift to the parents, who might now otherwise have had a child to love and nurture. All of my kids are blessings.
I find this whole "You know, adopting is so much more Christian and virtuous that having your own children" thing not only creepy but objectively evil. It reduces the kid to a merit badge.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:41 AM (cfSRQ)
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Has David French started hormone therapy yet? I see a transition in his future.
Posted by: Burger Chef at June 02, 2019 10:43 AM (RuIsu)
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So David French is trying to emulate the Angelina Jolie way of adoption? Kids as status symbols and fashion statements?
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Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:34 AM (cfSRQ)
Speaking of Trump's virtues, here's something I didn't know about until this week (gee, I wonder why):
Back in early 2018, before Senator McCain passed away, the Secretary of the Navy officially added him as a namesake for the USS John S. McCain, originally named for his Father and Grandfather.
If you think the SECNAV did that without the President's concurrence, you're an abject idiot. That the Senator until his dying day and now his family *still* shits on him every chance they get is the height of petty classless ingratitude.
Speaking of Trump's virtues, here's something I didn't know about until this week (gee, I wonder why):
Back in early 2018, before Senator McCain passed away, the Secretary of the Navy officially added him as a namesake for the USS John S. McCain, originally named for his Father and Grandfather.
If you think the SECNAV did that without the President's concurrence, you're an abject idiot. That the Senator until his dying day and now his family *still* shits on him every chance they get is the height of petty classless ingratitude.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 02, 2019 10:46 AM (ijEPD)
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RI Red - I don't think you'll be disappointed with the Aristillus Series. They're like Heinlein's Moon is a Harsh Mistress, but way better.
I haven't started Book 4: A Hell of an Engineer, yet, although I've been doing lots of work outlining and thinking about how to tie up the many strands of the plot. Book 4 will finish the basic series, but leave an opening for any number of follow-on works set in the same fictional universe. I did promise to start writing book 4 as soon as book three hits 100 reviews, and at last check it just passed 70. Hoping to get my non-fiction book on fields done first, though.
Thanks for your interest.
I haven't started Book 4: A Hell of an Engineer, yet, although I've been doing lots of work outlining and thinking about how to tie up the many strands of the plot. Book 4 will finish the basic series, but leave an opening for any number of follow-on works set in the same fictional universe. I did promise to start writing book 4 as soon as book three hits 100 reviews, and at last check it just passed 70. Hoping to get my non-fiction book on fields done first, though.
Thanks for your interest.
Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at June 02, 2019 10:46 AM (FXjhj)
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Has David French started hormone therapy yet? I see a transition in his future.
Posted by: Burger Chef at June 02, 2019 10:43 AM (RuIsu)
Ummmmmmmmmmm.......Yes.
Posted by: Burger Chef at June 02, 2019 10:43 AM (RuIsu)
Ummmmmmmmmmm.......Yes.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 02, 2019 10:47 AM (Z+IKu)
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We have the newly published Land of Hope: An Invitation to the Great American Story by historian Wilfred M. McClay of the University of Oklahoma.
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There are some good inteviews out there, of McClay. One (Powerline, I think) also goes into his teaching the Auden curriculum at Oklahoma. It's advertised as the hardest course the students will ever take, and is quite popular.
Another recent podcast I listened to was the Ricochet* podcast with Norman Podhoretz. Very good. the 2 things that stick in my mind most are:
1. Asked about Bill Kristol's Never Trumpism, NP says "I don't know why, but he's lost his mind." Consider that. It's like having Chesterton saying that of one of Belloc's kids.
2. More generally, he is clearly unhappy that Cap'n Bill and his generation have redefined "neoconservative". He refers to them once as "former neocons." He's got a point; the original crew, centered around him and IRVING Kristol were not primarily concerned with interventionist foreign policy, only with resisting the USSR. Their main focus and cause of their conversion was domestic policies, which they had supported, and saw weren't helping, but hurting.
*I know, I know. But it's Podhoretz.
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There are some good inteviews out there, of McClay. One (Powerline, I think) also goes into his teaching the Auden curriculum at Oklahoma. It's advertised as the hardest course the students will ever take, and is quite popular.
Another recent podcast I listened to was the Ricochet* podcast with Norman Podhoretz. Very good. the 2 things that stick in my mind most are:
1. Asked about Bill Kristol's Never Trumpism, NP says "I don't know why, but he's lost his mind." Consider that. It's like having Chesterton saying that of one of Belloc's kids.
2. More generally, he is clearly unhappy that Cap'n Bill and his generation have redefined "neoconservative". He refers to them once as "former neocons." He's got a point; the original crew, centered around him and IRVING Kristol were not primarily concerned with interventionist foreign policy, only with resisting the USSR. Their main focus and cause of their conversion was domestic policies, which they had supported, and saw weren't helping, but hurting.
*I know, I know. But it's Podhoretz.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:49 AM (VaN/j)
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Ok, got the first book in and setting aside for the rainstorm this afternoon.
But first, off to the range so I'll have something to talk about tonight.
Hasta Lumbago!
But first, off to the range so I'll have something to talk about tonight.
Hasta Lumbago!
Posted by: RI Red at June 02, 2019 10:49 AM (+6GvU)
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176: Welll said. and yes kids are now accessories, unplanned ones can be disposed of for any reason, like a tee shirt that doesn't quite match.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 10:50 AM (U7k5w)
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So David French is trying to emulate the Angelina Jolie way of adoption? Kids as status symbols and fashion statements?
I don't think he's personally said anything to hint at poor motives for adopting but, as mentioned above, some of his supporters are not above using it as a moral shield. And I guess I haven't heard French disown them doing so. I might be wrong about that though.
I don't think he's personally said anything to hint at poor motives for adopting but, as mentioned above, some of his supporters are not above using it as a moral shield. And I guess I haven't heard French disown them doing so. I might be wrong about that though.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 10:51 AM (qc+VF)
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Morning groovy kids. Just ordered the Wodehouse collection because need something light and funny. Hammer said it is and well he's funny.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 02, 2019 10:36 AM (OX6sG)
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You will not regret it. Like Mike Hammer, I have enjoyed reading Wodehouse at bedtime for years and years and years. Well, re-reading, as he also said. There is no better way to wind down and clear your mind before you close your eyes - he is such a good writer and very, very witty.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 02, 2019 10:36 AM (OX6sG)
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You will not regret it. Like Mike Hammer, I have enjoyed reading Wodehouse at bedtime for years and years and years. Well, re-reading, as he also said. There is no better way to wind down and clear your mind before you close your eyes - he is such a good writer and very, very witty.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:52 AM (aXucN)
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I see a connection more between 1 and 3. (Sure,
dishonesty matters, but that's just human weakness.) It's something odd
that sometimes arises in Calvinists (not in all). Of all people, they
should be the least Pharisaic of all, with the heaviest emphasis on
their own lack of worth. But sometimes it seems that they take their
assurance of Election as making them into what they will be in heaven.
But the biggest problem (again, a factor here) is the completely
different attitude toward freedom and autonomy. Amari's view is informed
by the classical view; French's by the modern. I think (but am not
certain) that Calvin was an early exemplar of the latter; in any case,
it involves a very different view of causation and the will. And a
different status of freedom itself (which cannot be a "good" properly
understood - that is, in modern terms, a category mistake.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:35 AM (VaN/j)
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Yes, it's interesting to compare French's obvious pride with the humility he should be showing as demonstrated in tracts like "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God."
I really like Ahmari's point that "autonomy" is a meaningless term when it is used to control not just your language but your very thoughts. And what good is "private enterprise" if all the banks line up in unison to deny you credit, or purchases, or employment? How is that tyranny in any way different or preferable to government tyranny?
What I find signficant is that Ahmari is taking the French to the woodshed on his own turf - using moral and theological arguments. It's long overdue.
dishonesty matters, but that's just human weakness.) It's something odd
that sometimes arises in Calvinists (not in all). Of all people, they
should be the least Pharisaic of all, with the heaviest emphasis on
their own lack of worth. But sometimes it seems that they take their
assurance of Election as making them into what they will be in heaven.
But the biggest problem (again, a factor here) is the completely
different attitude toward freedom and autonomy. Amari's view is informed
by the classical view; French's by the modern. I think (but am not
certain) that Calvin was an early exemplar of the latter; in any case,
it involves a very different view of causation and the will. And a
different status of freedom itself (which cannot be a "good" properly
understood - that is, in modern terms, a category mistake.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:35 AM (VaN/j)
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Yes, it's interesting to compare French's obvious pride with the humility he should be showing as demonstrated in tracts like "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God."
I really like Ahmari's point that "autonomy" is a meaningless term when it is used to control not just your language but your very thoughts. And what good is "private enterprise" if all the banks line up in unison to deny you credit, or purchases, or employment? How is that tyranny in any way different or preferable to government tyranny?
What I find signficant is that Ahmari is taking the French to the woodshed on his own turf - using moral and theological arguments. It's long overdue.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:53 AM (cfSRQ)
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Better for the pet thread, my Broad Wing hawk is in tree above me eating something, probably another type of bird. Tried a picture but tablet isn't great for zooming in.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 10:54 AM (BbGew)
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Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:52 AM (aXucN)
Isn't Wodehouse a mathematician who first explained "regression to the mean?"
Isn't Wodehouse a mathematician who first explained "regression to the mean?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 10:55 AM (wYseH)
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(Yes, some British historians in particular try to convince people that the Somme inflicted heavier losses on the Germans, but everyone knows they are full of crap.)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (cfSRQ)
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I have a friend who knows a shit-ton more than I about land warfare, and who takes it seriously.
(He has, btw, the biggest collection of board wargames I know of. And had only daughters. God has a sense of humor.)
(Yes, some British historians in particular try to convince people that the Somme inflicted heavier losses on the Germans, but everyone knows they are full of crap.)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 09:27 AM (cfSRQ)
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I have a friend who knows a shit-ton more than I about land warfare, and who takes it seriously.
(He has, btw, the biggest collection of board wargames I know of. And had only daughters. God has a sense of humor.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:56 AM (VaN/j)
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To amend what I just wrote: depending on how broadly you care to interpret "hint at," I concede that he has mentioned his child being adopted when there was really no need to do so in the context of whatever point he was making.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 10:57 AM (qc+VF)
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Just put on CSPAN's Book TV, so this is bookish.
Guy said, I'm pretty sure, it was exactly as I changed the channel, that 50% of Trump's federal judicial appointees are former Thomas clerks.
That means that Thomas' influence will last for generations.
Guy said, I'm pretty sure, it was exactly as I changed the channel, that 50% of Trump's federal judicial appointees are former Thomas clerks.
That means that Thomas' influence will last for generations.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 10:57 AM (fuK7c)
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French was in cahoots with Kristol and McMullen to scuttle Trump and give the election to Hillary. I reject the notion that he's any more genuine in his faith and morality than either of them. Just another of these GOPe hypocrite fakes who play the sleaziest variety of power politics while cloaking themselves in religion. It's been SOP in that Party for a long time.
Luckily for us, their fake faith is as transparent as their fake intellectualism, their fake expertise, their fake courage, and their fake political principles.
Luckily for us, their fake faith is as transparent as their fake intellectualism, their fake expertise, their fake courage, and their fake political principles.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 02, 2019 10:57 AM (5aX2M)
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A warning for those who read Wodehouse at bedtime. DO NOT read his golfing stories. It's hard to sleep while gasping for breath and your stomach hurts from laughing so hard.
Posted by: JTB at June 02, 2019 10:57 AM (bmdz3)
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I've been hesitating about entering the debate about David French and Calvinism because I really don't care to go there.
But I absolutely do not understand his comfort level with a disturbing degree of self righteousness. Of all people he should be aware that all men are broken or flawed.
I'd think there should be at least some understanding of the sovereignty of God in the election of Donald Trump and at least occasional suggestions of praying for the man.
But I absolutely do not understand his comfort level with a disturbing degree of self righteousness. Of all people he should be aware that all men are broken or flawed.
I'd think there should be at least some understanding of the sovereignty of God in the election of Donald Trump and at least occasional suggestions of praying for the man.
Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (JgA4k)
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I have always heard Zinn was a commie loving bastard but I would like to at least glance through a section of his history writing, maybe a WWII reading as it's my most knowledgeable era.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (BbGew)
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Did anyone else hear that annoying noise a couple minutes ago? No?
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189 Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 10:52 AM (aXucN)
Isn't Wodehouse a mathematician who first explained "regression to the mean?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 10:55 AM (wYseH)
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Yes. That explains why Bertie continues to see Aunt Agatha.
Isn't Wodehouse a mathematician who first explained "regression to the mean?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 10:55 AM (wYseH)
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Yes. That explains why Bertie continues to see Aunt Agatha.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (VaN/j)
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Help! I'm working on a piece. What is the name of the now-defunct "soap opera" TV show set in the pre- and post-WWI English manor house?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (Ki5SV)
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I don't think he's personally said anything to hint
at poor motives for adopting but, as mentioned above, some of his
supporters are not above using it as a moral shield. And I guess I
haven't heard French disown them doing so. I might be wrong about that
though.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 10:51 AM (qc+VF)
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When he flirted running with president (remember that?) he *claimed* to be swamped with racist messages from Trump supporters, specifically targeting his mixed-race kid.
That formulation allows him to bring up the topic, without being too blatant. "OMG, I'm getting all this hate for this mixed-race kid I adopted that I'm sure most of you didn't know about. And because of this hate for the mixed-race kid I adopted that you didn't know about, I'm not going to run for president."
"By the way, Trump's supporters are evil, because they say mean things about my mixed-race kid that I adopted and that you now know about."
When he got smacked by American Greatness a few weeks back, his wife took to twitter and reminded everyone that her wonderful husband has adopted a mixed-race kid. Also, he's an Iraq War Veteran.
But other than that, he keeps it pretty quiet.
at poor motives for adopting but, as mentioned above, some of his
supporters are not above using it as a moral shield. And I guess I
haven't heard French disown them doing so. I might be wrong about that
though.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 10:51 AM (qc+VF)
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When he flirted running with president (remember that?) he *claimed* to be swamped with racist messages from Trump supporters, specifically targeting his mixed-race kid.
That formulation allows him to bring up the topic, without being too blatant. "OMG, I'm getting all this hate for this mixed-race kid I adopted that I'm sure most of you didn't know about. And because of this hate for the mixed-race kid I adopted that you didn't know about, I'm not going to run for president."
"By the way, Trump's supporters are evil, because they say mean things about my mixed-race kid that I adopted and that you now know about."
When he got smacked by American Greatness a few weeks back, his wife took to twitter and reminded everyone that her wonderful husband has adopted a mixed-race kid. Also, he's an Iraq War Veteran.
But other than that, he keeps it pretty quiet.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 10:59 AM (cfSRQ)
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"Downton Abbey"
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Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:00 AM (U7k5w)
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Did anyone else hear that annoying noise a couple minutes ago? No?
Sorry. Had Mexican for dinner.
Sorry. Had Mexican for dinner.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 11:00 AM (qc+VF)
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Up the down stair case guv?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:00 AM (tLmOq)
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Oh, yes, one more thing Podhoretz said was that Trump is like King David, a flawed instrument whom God is using to save us. Pussy-boy Rob Long REALLY didn't like that. But NP got him to admit a lot of his Never Trump BS is just aesthetic, rather than principled.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:00 AM (VaN/j)
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Skip, I'm sure your local library has many, many copies of Zinn books. Take a peak - you'll be surprised at what he writes about, and what he leaves out.
I wanted to see what he wrote about Ronald Reagan. I am not exaggerating when I say that he wrote two sentences (I believe - it might have been three, but I think it was two) about him, in sum total. Which sentences basically said, Ronald Reagan was president.
I wanted to see what he wrote about Ronald Reagan. I am not exaggerating when I say that he wrote two sentences (I believe - it might have been three, but I think it was two) about him, in sum total. Which sentences basically said, Ronald Reagan was president.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:01 AM (aXucN)
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What is the name of the now-defunct "soap opera" TV show set in the pre- and post-WWI English manor house?
or Upstairs Downstairs.
or Upstairs Downstairs.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:01 AM (fuK7c)
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I have always heard Zinn was a commie loving bastard but I would like to at least glance through a section of his history writing, maybe a WWII reading as it's my most knowledgeable era.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (BbGew)
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Go for it. I'll warn you it's a waste of time, though. His book is useful as a bullet-sponge, and not much else. Maybe to be shredded and mixed with wax for firestarters.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (BbGew)
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Go for it. I'll warn you it's a waste of time, though. His book is useful as a bullet-sponge, and not much else. Maybe to be shredded and mixed with wax for firestarters.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 02, 2019 11:01 AM (5aX2M)
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Ugh - peek, not peak.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:01 AM (aXucN)
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Downton Abbey. Thank you!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (Ki5SV)
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The Case of the Missing Books with Nancy Drew. Notice perhaps in the lower right corner the bookcase that opens to a hidden room.
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I see that there will be a new Nancy Drew series on CW.
https://bit.ly/2QG1386
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I see that there will be a new Nancy Drew series on CW.
https://bit.ly/2QG1386
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (+y/Ru)
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I picked up the Baen compilation of F. Paul Wilson's LaNague Federation stories, and found out that Wilson was a multiple Prometheus Award winner.
Since OM wrote about CFLA I looked up the Prometheus Award list, and I was surprised about how many of those books I had read and loved.
The ones that stuck in my head the most were:
Country of the Blind by Micheal Flynn (a Babbage type machine and mathematical theory had been developed to predict and influence society, and this has lead to generational struggle to control the world from behind the scenes),
The Jehova Contract by Victor Korman (Noir detective takes a contract on God from the Devil)
A Few Good Men by Sarah Hoyt (which lays out what market forces are and the fallacies of a command economy and makes it interesting),
Probability Broach by L. Neil Smith (You know how Borges is the exemplar for Magical Realism? Smith is the exemplar for Anarcho-Capitalism Realism)
I gotta go, my GF wanted me to make strawberry jam. So my morning is full when she gets up.
Since OM wrote about CFLA I looked up the Prometheus Award list, and I was surprised about how many of those books I had read and loved.
The ones that stuck in my head the most were:
Country of the Blind by Micheal Flynn (a Babbage type machine and mathematical theory had been developed to predict and influence society, and this has lead to generational struggle to control the world from behind the scenes),
The Jehova Contract by Victor Korman (Noir detective takes a contract on God from the Devil)
A Few Good Men by Sarah Hoyt (which lays out what market forces are and the fallacies of a command economy and makes it interesting),
Probability Broach by L. Neil Smith (You know how Borges is the exemplar for Magical Realism? Smith is the exemplar for Anarcho-Capitalism Realism)
I gotta go, my GF wanted me to make strawberry jam. So my morning is full when she gets up.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (hSQmw)
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Help! I'm working on a piece. What is the name of the now-defunct
"soap opera" TV show set in the pre- and post-WWI English manor house?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (Ki5SV)
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Downton Abbey. Started well, couldn't be bothered to finish it.
Help! I'm working on a piece. What is the name of the now-defunct
"soap opera" TV show set in the pre- and post-WWI English manor house?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (Ki5SV)
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Downton Abbey. Started well, couldn't be bothered to finish it.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (cfSRQ)
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oopsie
Posted by: Kindltot at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (hSQmw)
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Did anyone else hear that annoying noise a couple minutes ago? No?
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It was another Tesla bursting into flames.
Seriously, it happened again. At a charging station this time.
"Oh, but regular cars have fires thousands of time more often!!!"
Yes, but it's not a single brand. It's not Honda has thousands of fires a year. Or Toyota. Or heck, even Fiat.
Tesla, though? Lots of fires for some weird reason.
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It was another Tesla bursting into flames.
Seriously, it happened again. At a charging station this time.
"Oh, but regular cars have fires thousands of time more often!!!"
Yes, but it's not a single brand. It's not Honda has thousands of fires a year. Or Toyota. Or heck, even Fiat.
Tesla, though? Lots of fires for some weird reason.
Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (2DpZX)
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Speaking of Downton Abbey, I've thought they got the wrong time period. I'd love to see a series about an aristocratic British family in the aftermath of WWII. That was when the peerage went from "Hereditary Masters of the Universe" to "People With No Job Skills Who Own Extremely Large Houses."
It's also a pity that brains seem to have been selectively bred out of the European nobility, because I'd love to see a good book about what it's like to be one. But apparently nobody with the knowledge to write that book has the ability to do so.
It's also a pity that brains seem to have been selectively bred out of the European nobility, because I'd love to see a good book about what it's like to be one. But apparently nobody with the knowledge to write that book has the ability to do so.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (K/e3b)
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Fuck McCain and his fatassed daughter.
I started reading Harry Crews's The Hawk is Dying (it's very disturbing how many of his primo books are OOP and the libraries have jettisoned) and it's typically easy reading with a semi autobiographical protagonist. I don't know if Harry was whatever you call a falconer who does it with hawks but he writes with insight about them, both here and in an essay about finding a hawk someone had winged and nursing it back to where it could be released back into the wild. Maybe he had some friends or family members that did it. Anyway he's typically hilarious when he comes home with a red tailed chicken hawk he trapped and his irritating sister is pestering him with bullshit from the Sunday paper magazine while he's frantically trying to get things done. Substitute wife for sister and welcome to my Hell.
I started reading Harry Crews's The Hawk is Dying (it's very disturbing how many of his primo books are OOP and the libraries have jettisoned) and it's typically easy reading with a semi autobiographical protagonist. I don't know if Harry was whatever you call a falconer who does it with hawks but he writes with insight about them, both here and in an essay about finding a hawk someone had winged and nursing it back to where it could be released back into the wild. Maybe he had some friends or family members that did it. Anyway he's typically hilarious when he comes home with a red tailed chicken hawk he trapped and his irritating sister is pestering him with bullshit from the Sunday paper magazine while he's frantically trying to get things done. Substitute wife for sister and welcome to my Hell.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (y7DUB)
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I thought French's service was with the JAG corps. I guess that means representing AWOL Refrigeration Rangers, doesn't it?
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (VaN/j)
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209 Ugh - peek, not peak.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:01 AM (aXucN)
We are at peak peek.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:01 AM (aXucN)
We are at peak peek.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)
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Oh, yes, one more thing Podhoretz said was that Trump is like King
David, a flawed instrument whom God is using to save us. Pussy-boy Rob
Long REALLY didn't like that. But NP got him to admit a lot of his Never
Trump BS is just aesthetic, rather than principled.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:00 AM (VaN/j)
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I like how the old guys really don't care anymore. David Horowitz, for example, pretty much ran out of...well it's Sunday, so you-know-what - to give sometime in the early 90s, if not before.
Anyone remember when he called Capn Bill a "renegade Jew" in 2016. That has aged very, very well.
Oh, yes, one more thing Podhoretz said was that Trump is like King
David, a flawed instrument whom God is using to save us. Pussy-boy Rob
Long REALLY didn't like that. But NP got him to admit a lot of his Never
Trump BS is just aesthetic, rather than principled.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:00 AM (VaN/j)
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I like how the old guys really don't care anymore. David Horowitz, for example, pretty much ran out of...well it's Sunday, so you-know-what - to give sometime in the early 90s, if not before.
Anyone remember when he called Capn Bill a "renegade Jew" in 2016. That has aged very, very well.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:05 AM (cfSRQ)
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199 Help! I'm working on a piece. What is the name of the now-defunct "soap opera" TV show set in the pre- and post-WWI English manor house?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (Ki5SV)
"Upstairs, Downstairs"?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 10:58 AM (Ki5SV)
"Upstairs, Downstairs"?
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:05 AM (w1MTk)
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Speaking of Downton Abbey, I've thought they got the wrong time period. I'd love to see a series about an aristocratic British family in the aftermath of WWII. That was when the peerage went from "Hereditary Masters of the Universe" to "People With No Job Skills Who Own Extremely Large Houses."
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (K/e3b)
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Actually, that's Wodehouse's wheelhouse, so to speak. And many of his books were written before WWII, so it was already a thing.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (K/e3b)
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Actually, that's Wodehouse's wheelhouse, so to speak. And many of his books were written before WWII, so it was already a thing.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:05 AM (aXucN)
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216 Speaking of Downton Abbey, I've thought they got the wrong time period. I'd love to see a series about an aristocratic British family in the aftermath of WWII. That was when the peerage went from "Hereditary Masters of the Universe" to "People With No Job Skills Who Own Extremely Large Houses."
It's also a pity that brains seem to have been selectively bred out of the European nobility, because I'd love to see a good book about what it's like to be one. But apparently nobody with the knowledge to write that book has the ability to do so.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (K/e3b)
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You don't get more aristocratic than Winston Churchill. And he sure had the brains to write. There are plenty of older books that give you a look.
It's also a pity that brains seem to have been selectively bred out of the European nobility, because I'd love to see a good book about what it's like to be one. But apparently nobody with the knowledge to write that book has the ability to do so.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (K/e3b)
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You don't get more aristocratic than Winston Churchill. And he sure had the brains to write. There are plenty of older books that give you a look.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:06 AM (VaN/j)
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When he flirted running with president (remember that?) he *claimed* to be swamped with racist messages from Trump supporters, specifically targeting his mixed-race kid.
Agreed. See my follow-up to myself. But to be fair, I don't think that's the same thing as adopting for the purpose of virtue signaling. It's just (mis-)using the child as a tactical tool in a passing situation.
Agreed. See my follow-up to myself. But to be fair, I don't think that's the same thing as adopting for the purpose of virtue signaling. It's just (mis-)using the child as a tactical tool in a passing situation.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 11:06 AM (qc+VF)
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(He has, btw, the biggest collection of board wargames I know of. And had only daughters. God has a sense of humor.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:56 AM (VaN/j)
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Heh. I used to have more than a hundred of them, but culled the collection to a couple dozen.
I have only daughters.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:56 AM (VaN/j)
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Heh. I used to have more than a hundred of them, but culled the collection to a couple dozen.
I have only daughters.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:06 AM (cfSRQ)
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Where's Eris ?
Posted by: JT at June 02, 2019 11:06 AM (OB/G2)
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We are at peak peek.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)
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I used to know how to spell. I always won the spelling bees in grade school.
The internet has turned my mind to mush.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)
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I used to know how to spell. I always won the spelling bees in grade school.
The internet has turned my mind to mush.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM (aXucN)
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When the show first came out I thought it was "Downtown Abbey."
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM (NWiLs)
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But Upstairs Downstairs wasn't about a manor house. It was about an aristocrat's London townhouse in Belgravia. (You could almost splice the two series together, using UD episodes for when the nobs are in London for "the Season" and DA for when they're in the country.)
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM (K/e3b)
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"Upstairs, Downstairs"?
See? You're a grownup. That's the correct answer.
The children have been saying Downtown something.
See? You're a grownup. That's the correct answer.
The children have been saying Downtown something.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM (fuK7c)
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Oh, and a decent online source for American History is supposed to be https://libertyclassroom.com.
They also put out freehistorycourses.com as a sample of what they offer.
They also put out freehistorycourses.com as a sample of what they offer.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (hSQmw)
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I see that there will be a new Nancy Drew series on CW.
https://bit.ly/2QG1386
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (+y/Ru
Let me guess. ND will be one or more of the following:
(a) black or mixed-race
(b) lesbian
(c) trans
(d) KAF
I can hardly wait.
https://bit.ly/2QG1386
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (+y/Ru
Let me guess. ND will be one or more of the following:
(a) black or mixed-race
(b) lesbian
(c) trans
(d) KAF
I can hardly wait.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (w1MTk)
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I finally found an ETO counterpart to that traitor Provoo...
An American USAAF pilot who went AWOL in India, got to North Africa, stole an F-5 Lighting, defected to the Nazis, and ended up serving as an SS reporter.
https://youtu.be/T_y71_XhQqA
An American USAAF pilot who went AWOL in India, got to North Africa, stole an F-5 Lighting, defected to the Nazis, and ended up serving as an SS reporter.
https://youtu.be/T_y71_XhQqA
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (tLmOq)
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We are at peak peek.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:04 AM
You ain't seen nothing yet
Baby, baby
You ain't seen nothing yet
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:04 AM
You ain't seen nothing yet
Baby, baby
You ain't seen nothing yet
Posted by: The patent leather shoes below the kilt at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (qH2iN)
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Where's Eris ?
It's really not a book thread without Eris, is it? I was going to make a Ralph Steadman reference upstairs but only to show off to her so I didn't.
It's really not a book thread without Eris, is it? I was going to make a Ralph Steadman reference upstairs but only to show off to her so I didn't.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:09 AM (fuK7c)
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I used to know how to spell. I always won the spelling bees in grade school.
The internet has turned my mind to mush.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM (aXucN)
The Internet has certainly affected me as well. I can still spell, but I have noticed that my attention span as well as retention have degraded somewhat.
The internet has turned my mind to mush.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM (aXucN)
The Internet has certainly affected me as well. I can still spell, but I have noticed that my attention span as well as retention have degraded somewhat.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:09 AM (NWiLs)
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When he flirted running with president (remember that?) he *claimed* to be swamped with racist messages from Trump supporters, specifically targeting his mixed-race kid.
That sounds like the bullshit McRINO used to spew about Rove floating stories in South Carolina having to do with mixed race stuff (I don't recall the specifics because it was so fucking ludicrous that it wasn't worth time to pay attention to). It's impossible to hate that pudgy turd Rove more than I do but there was no factual basis for any of that other than Juan looking for attention. So fuck him again, barbed cock of Satan.
That sounds like the bullshit McRINO used to spew about Rove floating stories in South Carolina having to do with mixed race stuff (I don't recall the specifics because it was so fucking ludicrous that it wasn't worth time to pay attention to). It's impossible to hate that pudgy turd Rove more than I do but there was no factual basis for any of that other than Juan looking for attention. So fuck him again, barbed cock of Satan.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 11:10 AM (y7DUB)
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I thought French's service was with the JAG corps. I guess that means representing AWOL Refrigeration Rangers, doesn't it?
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (VaN/j)
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Yes. Interesting to see the contrast between him and other Army veterans who served in line units.
JAGs don't even go through basic training. They do knife-and-fork school and then study military law.
Audie Murphy he is not.
I thought French's service was with the JAG corps. I guess that means representing AWOL Refrigeration Rangers, doesn't it?
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (VaN/j)
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Yes. Interesting to see the contrast between him and other Army veterans who served in line units.
JAGs don't even go through basic training. They do knife-and-fork school and then study military law.
Audie Murphy he is not.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:10 AM (cfSRQ)
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Lithium batteries were a controlled item in the Marines in the 1980s. Their use was very limited not because of theft but because of fire. Today lithium batteries are everywhere. Check your garage to see what I mean. Remember. Lithium and white phosphorous only stop burning when the element has been consumed.
Posted by: Puddin Head at June 02, 2019 11:10 AM (JaLUs)
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bluebell - a loud motorcycle just went by, maybe passed your house a minute ago
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 11:10 AM (BbGew)
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Churchill never wrote about what it was like to be an aristocrat, and I'm not sure he had the personality to do so. For one thing, he would have had to make himself understand how non-aristocrats thought, which was not something he would have wanted to do. Also, he died in the Sixties. I want to know what it's like now. How does it feel to know that your family once ruled by grace of God . . . but you'd still better get that MBA degree if you don't want to wind up having to sell off antiques to keep food on the table?
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:11 AM (K/e3b)
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Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (tLmOq)
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Whoa. What a bastard. Off to read this.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (tLmOq)
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Whoa. What a bastard. Off to read this.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 02, 2019 11:11 AM (5aX2M)
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225 (He has, btw, the biggest collection of board wargames I know of. And had only daughters. God has a sense of humor.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:56 AM (VaN/j)
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Heh. I used to have more than a hundred of them, but culled the collection to a couple dozen.
I have only daughters.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:06 AM (cfSRQ)
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I did have another friend who had a lot of fun introducing his stepson to them. He started with the old AH Afrika Korps.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 10:56 AM (VaN/j)
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Heh. I used to have more than a hundred of them, but culled the collection to a couple dozen.
I have only daughters.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:06 AM (cfSRQ)
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I did have another friend who had a lot of fun introducing his stepson to them. He started with the old AH Afrika Korps.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:11 AM (VaN/j)
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(Yes, some British historians in particular try to convince people that the Somme inflicted heavier losses on the Germans, but everyone knows they are full of crap.)
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I heard someone recently comment that the fight at some village I'd never heard of is what led the Brits to victory at the Somme. Yeah, right. Victory.
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I heard someone recently comment that the fight at some village I'd never heard of is what led the Brits to victory at the Somme. Yeah, right. Victory.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (+y/Ru)
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Got in store a Nancy Drew DVD, got a plucky red-headed white girl on the jacket. So maybe not Oregon Muse.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (tLmOq)
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Speaking of Downton Abbey, I've thought they got the wrong time period.
I'd love to see a series about an aristocratic British family in the
aftermath of WWII. That was when the peerage went from "Hereditary
Masters of the Universe" to "People With No Job Skills Who Own Extremely
Large Houses."
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (K/e3b)
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It started after World War I. If you want a portrait of an aristocratic family in decline, Brideshead Revisited is a must-read.
The tv version is first-rate as well.
Speaking of Downton Abbey, I've thought they got the wrong time period.
I'd love to see a series about an aristocratic British family in the
aftermath of WWII. That was when the peerage went from "Hereditary
Masters of the Universe" to "People With No Job Skills Who Own Extremely
Large Houses."
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:03 AM (K/e3b)
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It started after World War I. If you want a portrait of an aristocratic family in decline, Brideshead Revisited is a must-read.
The tv version is first-rate as well.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (cfSRQ)
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Let me guess. ND will be one or more of the following:
(a) black or mixed-race
(b) lesbian
(c) trans
(d) KAF
I can hardly wait.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (w1MTk)
What's KAF?
(a) black or mixed-race
(b) lesbian
(c) trans
(d) KAF
I can hardly wait.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (w1MTk)
What's KAF?
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (Izzlo)
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have always heard Zinn was a commie loving bastard but I would like to at least glance through a section of his history writing, maybe a WWII reading as it's my most knowledgeable era.
Posted by: Skip
It's all Soviet inspired revisionism.
Revisionism exists to re-invent the past as a means of rationalizing some particular political view of the present and future (about to happen). The Soviets were past masters of this, and this has long infected American Academia.
My son had to use this in AP (AP!) American History in high school, which was actually being taught by an Annapolis grad (imagine that!).
I was pretty upset by it, and was told that a LOT of parents were and had already visited the school about it, and NOTHING was going to happen.
By the end of the year, most of the students were laughing at the teacher behind his back, because he was absurd.
Posted by: Skip
It's all Soviet inspired revisionism.
Revisionism exists to re-invent the past as a means of rationalizing some particular political view of the present and future (about to happen). The Soviets were past masters of this, and this has long infected American Academia.
My son had to use this in AP (AP!) American History in high school, which was actually being taught by an Annapolis grad (imagine that!).
I was pretty upset by it, and was told that a LOT of parents were and had already visited the school about it, and NOTHING was going to happen.
By the end of the year, most of the students were laughing at the teacher behind his back, because he was absurd.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (S6Pax)
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232 I see that there will be a new Nancy Drew series on CW.
https://bit.ly/2QG1386
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (+y/Ru
Let me guess. ND will be one or more of the following:
(a) black or mixed-race
(b) lesbian
(c) trans
(d) KAF
I can hardly wait.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (w1MTk)
The CW is woke AF so I wouldn't be surprised if there's mucho homo in the show.
https://bit.ly/2QG1386
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:02 AM (+y/Ru
Let me guess. ND will be one or more of the following:
(a) black or mixed-race
(b) lesbian
(c) trans
(d) KAF
I can hardly wait.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:08 AM (w1MTk)
The CW is woke AF so I wouldn't be surprised if there's mucho homo in the show.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:13 AM (NWiLs)
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224 When he flirted running with president (remember that?) he *claimed* to be swamped with racist messages from Trump supporters, specifically targeting his mixed-race kid.
Agreed. See my follow-up to myself. But to be fair, I don't think that's the same thing as adopting for the purpose of virtue signaling. It's just (mis-)using the child as a tactical tool in a passing situation.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 11:06 AM (qc+VF)
French wrote a piece for the Atlantic claiming that "America is broken" because he got mean tweets from Twitter trolls.
About his mixed-race family.
And how do we know David French has a mixed-race family?
Because he told us so. That's the only reason the Twitter-trolls know.
And why did French consider it important to tell everyone on the internet that he adopted a child from Africa?
Because he's a virtue-signaling drama queen. Also, he's probably going through menopause.
Agreed. See my follow-up to myself. But to be fair, I don't think that's the same thing as adopting for the purpose of virtue signaling. It's just (mis-)using the child as a tactical tool in a passing situation.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 11:06 AM (qc+VF)
French wrote a piece for the Atlantic claiming that "America is broken" because he got mean tweets from Twitter trolls.
About his mixed-race family.
And how do we know David French has a mixed-race family?
Because he told us so. That's the only reason the Twitter-trolls know.
And why did French consider it important to tell everyone on the internet that he adopted a child from Africa?
Because he's a virtue-signaling drama queen. Also, he's probably going through menopause.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:13 AM (w1MTk)
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Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at June 02, 2019 10:46 AM (FXjhj)
Tying the start of the next book to reviews of the previous is a clever way to get people to review mid-series books.
Tying the start of the next book to reviews of the previous is a clever way to get people to review mid-series books.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 02, 2019 11:13 AM (uquGJ)
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What's KAF?
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (Izzlo)
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I was wondering the same. To me it means King Arthur Flour.
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (Izzlo)
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I was wondering the same. To me it means King Arthur Flour.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (aXucN)
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"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
- Grouch Marx
Greetings literate fappers and fappees. O/T, sorry, but PDT is holding the kickoff for his reelection at the arena here in town and I got a ticket!
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
- Grouch Marx
Greetings literate fappers and fappees. O/T, sorry, but PDT is holding the kickoff for his reelection at the arena here in town and I got a ticket!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (HaL55)
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Also, he died in the Sixties. I want to know what it's like now. How does it feel to know that your family once ruled by grace of God . . . but you'd still better get that MBA degree if you don't want to wind up having to sell off antiques to keep food on the table?
I worked with and was good friends with his great grandson. Guy went to Eton but not to university and he worked his ass off. His brother wrote for the FT. Father was an MP.
It seemed clear that success was insisted on by the family culture.
I worked with and was good friends with his great grandson. Guy went to Eton but not to university and he worked his ass off. His brother wrote for the FT. Father was an MP.
It seemed clear that success was insisted on by the family culture.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (fuK7c)
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bluebell - a loud motorcycle just went by, maybe passed your house a minute ago
Posted by: Skip
Driven by RBG ?
Posted by: Skip
Driven by RBG ?
Posted by: JT at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (OB/G2)
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The CW is woke AF
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:13 AM (NWiLs)
Heh. You should watch CBS All-Access sometime.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:13 AM (NWiLs)
Heh. You should watch CBS All-Access sometime.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (w1MTk)
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The children have been saying Downtown something.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM
You say that like it's a Bad Thing.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM
You say that like it's a Bad Thing.
Posted by: Petula C. at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (qH2iN)
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Churchill never wrote about what it was like to be an aristocrat, and
I'm not sure he had the personality to do so. For one thing, he would
have had to make himself understand how non-aristocrats thought, which
was not something he would have wanted to do. Also, he died in the
Sixties. I want to know what it's like now. How does it feel to know
that your family once ruled by grace of God . . . but you'd still better
get that MBA degree if you don't want to wind up having to sell off
antiques to keep food on the table?
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:11 AM (K/e3b)
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Some of then rent out the manor house for film crews, bed-and-breakfast stuff and tours.
A bunch became investment bankers who work in the City. I think Napoleon's heir is an investment banker working in London.
Oh, the irony.
Churchill never wrote about what it was like to be an aristocrat, and
I'm not sure he had the personality to do so. For one thing, he would
have had to make himself understand how non-aristocrats thought, which
was not something he would have wanted to do. Also, he died in the
Sixties. I want to know what it's like now. How does it feel to know
that your family once ruled by grace of God . . . but you'd still better
get that MBA degree if you don't want to wind up having to sell off
antiques to keep food on the table?
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:11 AM (K/e3b)
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Some of then rent out the manor house for film crews, bed-and-breakfast stuff and tours.
A bunch became investment bankers who work in the City. I think Napoleon's heir is an investment banker working in London.
Oh, the irony.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:15 AM (cfSRQ)
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245 Got in store a Nancy Drew DVD, got a plucky red-headed white girl on the jacket. So maybe not Oregon Muse.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (tLmOq)
I've never met OregonMuse but I'm pretty sure he isn't a plucky red-headed white girl.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (tLmOq)
I've never met OregonMuse but I'm pretty sure he isn't a plucky red-headed white girl.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:15 AM (NWiLs)
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That was when the peerage went from "Hereditary Masters of the Universe" to "People With No Job Skills Who Own Extremely Large Houses."
Seems like it was a recurring sub-theme in a lot of Agatha Christi's stories too. The British aristocracy being portrayed as families with big estates that they didn't have income to pay the taxes on and pathetically still trying to keep up appearances.
Seems like it was a recurring sub-theme in a lot of Agatha Christi's stories too. The British aristocracy being portrayed as families with big estates that they didn't have income to pay the taxes on and pathetically still trying to keep up appearances.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 11:15 AM (qc+VF)
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Korean Air Force.
Posted by: Puddin Head at June 02, 2019 11:16 AM (JaLUs)
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bluebell - a loud motorcycle just went by, maybe passed your house a minute ago
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 11:10 AM (BbGew)
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Thanks Skip, but I don't think that's it. It was more of a loud buzzing noise, right here in this thread.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 11:10 AM (BbGew)
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Thanks Skip, but I don't think that's it. It was more of a loud buzzing noise, right here in this thread.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:16 AM (aXucN)
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 10:40 AM (+y/Ru)
It sounds from various things I've read that when George III was sane he was a generally good guy trying to do the best he could.
It sounds from various things I've read that when George III was sane he was a generally good guy trying to do the best he could.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 02, 2019 11:16 AM (uquGJ)
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Greetings literate fappers and fappees. O/T, sorry, but PDT is holding the kickoff for his reelection at the arena here in town and I got a ticket!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (HaL55)
Then what are you doing here? You'd better leave early so you can get a seat.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (HaL55)
Then what are you doing here? You'd better leave early so you can get a seat.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:16 AM (w1MTk)
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Downtown Abbey was filmed in Lord Carnarvon's estate but don;t think they ever filmed the Egyptian antiquities in the place.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:17 AM (tLmOq)
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PDT is holding the kickoff for his reelection at the arena here in town and I got a ticket!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (HaL55)
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That's awesome! When is it?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (HaL55)
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That's awesome! When is it?
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:17 AM (aXucN)
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252 What's KAF?
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (Izzlo)
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I was wondering the same. To me it means King Arthur Flour.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (aXucN)
Knitting Alternating Fortnights?
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (Izzlo)
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I was wondering the same. To me it means King Arthur Flour.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (aXucN)
Knitting Alternating Fortnights?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:18 AM (NWiLs)
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I think Napoleon's heir is an investment banker working in London.
I tried to do a deal with a Neville Chamberlain whose grandfather was... yup.
I tried to do a deal with a Neville Chamberlain whose grandfather was... yup.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:18 AM (fuK7c)
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An American USAAF pilot who went AWOL in India, got to North Africa, stole an F-5 Lighting, defected to the Nazis, and ended up serving as an SS reporter.
https://youtu.be/T_y71_XhQqA
Posted by: Anna Puma
Very interesting.
https://youtu.be/T_y71_XhQqA
Posted by: Anna Puma
Very interesting.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:18 AM (+y/Ru)
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Kinky AF?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:18 AM (NWiLs)
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OK, I must run and try to enjoy the day. See you all tomorrow.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 02, 2019 11:19 AM (Ki5SV)
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252 What's KAF?
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (Izzlo)
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I was wondering the same. To me it means King Arthur Flour.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (aXucN)
Kick-Ass Female.
It's my description of female action heroes who weigh about 110 lbs. but they can somehow easily defeat 3 pumped and buffed Navy SEAL guys in hand-to-hand combat.
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2019 11:12 AM (Izzlo)
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I was wondering the same. To me it means King Arthur Flour.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (aXucN)
Kick-Ass Female.
It's my description of female action heroes who weigh about 110 lbs. but they can somehow easily defeat 3 pumped and buffed Navy SEAL guys in hand-to-hand combat.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:19 AM (w1MTk)
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So the deal wasn't worth the paper it was written on?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:19 AM (tLmOq)
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So do the modern aristos take any of their family nobility and class customs seriously? Or do they chuckle at all that stuff as much as the rest of us do?
And do any of them keep lists of who they'd have to murder in order to take the throne?
And do any of them keep lists of who they'd have to murder in order to take the throne?
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:19 AM (K/e3b)
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One thing to keep in mind is that in Britain, "aristocracy" is much more extensive than "nobility". It clearly included the untitled gentry. For an example of this, look at Austin's heroes. Mr Darcy has no title, he's just Mister.
And of course, they also did absorb merchants and manufacturers into their ranks. Landed wealth did dominate until the mid-19th C (contra the Marxists), but even after they did rule pretty solidly until WWI. And still a lot after that. The point is that the British class system was more flexible than the continental, IMO because they won so completely in the 17th C. On the continent, they had become hangers-on to the monarchs; in England it was the opposite. (Oops, sounds like I'm lumping.)
And of course, they also did absorb merchants and manufacturers into their ranks. Landed wealth did dominate until the mid-19th C (contra the Marxists), but even after they did rule pretty solidly until WWI. And still a lot after that. The point is that the British class system was more flexible than the continental, IMO because they won so completely in the 17th C. On the continent, they had become hangers-on to the monarchs; in England it was the opposite. (Oops, sounds like I'm lumping.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:19 AM (VaN/j)
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I tried to do a deal with a Neville Chamberlain whose grandfather was... yup.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:18 AM (fuK7c)
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Did he try to appease you?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:18 AM (fuK7c)
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Did he try to appease you?
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:20 AM (aXucN)
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The internet has turned my mind to mush.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM
Now, dear, we want you to know how much we appreciate your sublime knowledge and deft touch with English grammar. You are always a respite amid the grammatical malfeasance that characterizes much of Horde discourse.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:07 AM
Now, dear, we want you to know how much we appreciate your sublime knowledge and deft touch with English grammar. You are always a respite amid the grammatical malfeasance that characterizes much of Horde discourse.
Posted by: AoSHQ Copy Editors at June 02, 2019 11:20 AM (qH2iN)
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I tried to do a deal with a Neville Chamberlain whose grandfather was... yup.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:18 AM (fuK7c)
Was he a pimp? Because you could've gotten...
wait for it...
Piece in our time.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:18 AM (fuK7c)
Was he a pimp? Because you could've gotten...
wait for it...
Piece in our time.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:20 AM (w1MTk)
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264 Greetings literate fappers and fappees. O/T, sorry, but PDT is holding the kickoff for his reelection at the arena here in town and I got a ticket!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (HaL55)
Then what are you doing here? You'd better leave early so you can get a seat.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:16 AM (w1MTk)
Right? It's a mere 16 days away, the South Street exit from I-4 is probably backing up already!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:14 AM (HaL55)
Then what are you doing here? You'd better leave early so you can get a seat.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:16 AM (w1MTk)
Right? It's a mere 16 days away, the South Street exit from I-4 is probably backing up already!
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:20 AM (NWiLs)
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A bunch became investment bankers who work in the City. I think Napoleon's heir is an investment banker working in London.
Oh, the irony.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:15 AM (cfSRQ
Yes, His Imperial Highness Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoleon works as a private equity banker for The Blackstone Group.
Oh, the irony.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:15 AM (cfSRQ
Yes, His Imperial Highness Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoleon works as a private equity banker for The Blackstone Group.
Posted by: josephistan at June 02, 2019 11:21 AM (Izzlo)
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I still need to decide which half-completed story to dust off and try to finish for Amazon's Kindle Storyteller 2019 contest.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:21 AM (tLmOq)
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257: I said DA, because it deserves to be defunct. I don't get the Juilan Fellowes worship. DA was irritating and pure soap.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:21 AM (U7k5w)
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I only saw. a few episodes while I was visiting a fan of the odious Lady Mary. who adored it.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:22 AM (U7k5w)
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I don't think it's worth even asking the question of whether Nancy Drew will be able to punch men twice her size. All women on film and TV can do that now. The only questions are whether she'll do it several times an episode, and whether there will be witty quips.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 02, 2019 11:22 AM (K/e3b)
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284: yes and yes. so a POS.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:23 AM (U7k5w)
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Because he's a virtue-signaling drama queen. Also, he's probably going through menopause.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:13 AM (w1MTk)
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What makes French a particularly choice target of the "cuck" insult is that he wrote at great length how terrified he was that his wife would cheat on him when he went to do paperwork in the Green Zone.
He had a whole elaborate set of rules about her not physically touching men, never being alone with them, and made her agree to it.
I swear I am not making this up. He wrote about it at NR, but I refuse to go and look for it.
Fun, uncharitable thought: What if the mixed-race kid *isn't* adopted?
Because he's a virtue-signaling drama queen. Also, he's probably going through menopause.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:13 AM (w1MTk)
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What makes French a particularly choice target of the "cuck" insult is that he wrote at great length how terrified he was that his wife would cheat on him when he went to do paperwork in the Green Zone.
He had a whole elaborate set of rules about her not physically touching men, never being alone with them, and made her agree to it.
I swear I am not making this up. He wrote about it at NR, but I refuse to go and look for it.
Fun, uncharitable thought: What if the mixed-race kid *isn't* adopted?
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:23 AM (cfSRQ)
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I still need to decide which half-completed story to dust off and try to finish for Amazon's Kindle Storyteller 2019 contest.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:21 AM
One of the ones where I'm the hero, of course.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:21 AM
One of the ones where I'm the hero, of course.
Posted by: Barack Hussain Obama at June 02, 2019 11:24 AM (qH2iN)
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Fun, uncharitable thought: What if the mixed-race kid *isn't* adopted?
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:23 AM (cfSRQ)
Tyrone... You ARE the father!
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:23 AM (cfSRQ)
Tyrone... You ARE the father!
Posted by: Maury Povich at June 02, 2019 11:24 AM (NWiLs)
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I saw the Witty Quips open for the Bon Mots at the Odeon in '87.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:24 AM (w1MTk)
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Bluebell, it's on the 18th. And OM, there shouldn't be a problem with seating. Hogmartin cautioned me to check to see if the ticket guaranteed entrance, which I'll do soon whilst checking out logistics. It's inside, so there's that. And this time of year, thunderstorms are usually always in the forecast in the PM, so I don't see him doing the jumbotron thingy outside because lightning.
But I plan to get there early.
But I plan to get there early.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:24 AM (HaL55)
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Fun, uncharitable thought: What if the mixed-race kid *isn't* adopted?
Paolo for the win el Jefe?
Paolo for the win el Jefe?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:25 AM (tLmOq)
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Currently reading Micah Clark by Arthur Conan Doyle. This is one of his historical novels, the work he most loved and wanted to do. Its set during the 1600s when James of Monmouth attempted to depose king James of England but the historical richness and background of religious conflicts and people really come alive. Its not as charming as The White Company, but is actually more amusing in many places and is longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 02, 2019 11:25 AM (39g3+)
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289 I saw the Witty Quips open for the Bon Mots at the Odeon in '87.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:24 AM (w1MTk)
*sips '64 Portmanteau*
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:24 AM (w1MTk)
*sips '64 Portmanteau*
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:25 AM (NWiLs)
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Ok I watched not read about Monti.
A couple of observations here: during the initial proceedings theFBI COMPLETELY missed his SS service, and didn't figure it out for several years? They always sucked. The other is: how the hell do you get convicted of stealing an American aircraft, have your fifteen year sentence immediately suspended, and get directly inducted back into the Air Corps and later honorably discharged? WTF?
A couple of observations here: during the initial proceedings theFBI COMPLETELY missed his SS service, and didn't figure it out for several years? They always sucked. The other is: how the hell do you get convicted of stealing an American aircraft, have your fifteen year sentence immediately suspended, and get directly inducted back into the Air Corps and later honorably discharged? WTF?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 02, 2019 11:26 AM (5aX2M)
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I saw the Witty Quips open for the Bon Mots at the Odeon in '87.
Cheap knockoff of the Mots Justes.
Cheap knockoff of the Mots Justes.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:26 AM (fuK7c)
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the Liberation Trilogy was very good neither whitewashing history nor hating on America.
I remember learning a lot in the first volume about what a clusterfuck the initial operations were in North Africa, including ships sinking in transit without being attacked. And I loved the detailed maps embedded in the text so I could more easily figure out what had occurred. But what led me to eventually put it down was his narrative style. There wasn't anything obnoxiously wrong with it but I felt like I was reading a journalist weaving together vignettes rather than a historian providing a grand sweeping overview. Maybe I was the only reader to feel that way but it kept me from finishing it.
I remember learning a lot in the first volume about what a clusterfuck the initial operations were in North Africa, including ships sinking in transit without being attacked. And I loved the detailed maps embedded in the text so I could more easily figure out what had occurred. But what led me to eventually put it down was his narrative style. There wasn't anything obnoxiously wrong with it but I felt like I was reading a journalist weaving together vignettes rather than a historian providing a grand sweeping overview. Maybe I was the only reader to feel that way but it kept me from finishing it.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 02, 2019 11:26 AM (y7DUB)
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257: I said DA, because it deserves to be defunct. I don't get the Juilan Fellowes worship. DA was irritating and pure soap.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:21 AM (U7k5w)
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Season One was interesting. Season Two (the war) also kept your attention, though I didn't buy the idea that the husband couldn't find a combat assignment in wartime.
I think I got through Season Three but the wheels were wobbling too much to go on.
It had phenomenal acting, the plots weren't all that bad but the pacing was awful.
Also, after a while the unrelenting bad news reminded me of "St. Elsewhere" and not in a good way.
257: I said DA, because it deserves to be defunct. I don't get the Juilan Fellowes worship. DA was irritating and pure soap.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:21 AM (U7k5w)
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Season One was interesting. Season Two (the war) also kept your attention, though I didn't buy the idea that the husband couldn't find a combat assignment in wartime.
I think I got through Season Three but the wheels were wobbling too much to go on.
It had phenomenal acting, the plots weren't all that bad but the pacing was awful.
Also, after a while the unrelenting bad news reminded me of "St. Elsewhere" and not in a good way.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:27 AM (cfSRQ)
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I am currently struggling a bit with writing. I have started writing another novel and its going well enough but I'm not enjoying the writing like I did the previous ones.
The main problem is that I truly enjoy writing the gaming supplements I write for fantasy RPG play, and they sell a hell of a lot better. So I'd honestly rather be writing those, but I have a lot of novels planned and people keep bugging me about when I'll have another one out.
The main problem is that I truly enjoy writing the gaming supplements I write for fantasy RPG play, and they sell a hell of a lot better. So I'd honestly rather be writing those, but I have a lot of novels planned and people keep bugging me about when I'll have another one out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 02, 2019 11:28 AM (39g3+)
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Right? It's a mere 16 days away, the South Street exit from I-4 is probably backing up already!
You're prolly right, Insom. I want to see if I can reserve a Lyft to and from. Getting home from the Bama/Louisville game was really pricey because crowded/high demand. I'd like to avoid that if possible this time.
You oughta get a ticket and we could represent the Horde together. There are many bars in that place from what I hear. I haven't been in it yet.
You're prolly right, Insom. I want to see if I can reserve a Lyft to and from. Getting home from the Bama/Louisville game was really pricey because crowded/high demand. I'd like to avoid that if possible this time.
You oughta get a ticket and we could represent the Horde together. There are many bars in that place from what I hear. I haven't been in it yet.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:28 AM (HaL55)
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Greetings:
Re: Word Power
Wow, a power word that I can pronounce right off the bat.
But, please, explain the relationship between "High and Dry" and "Careening".
Re: Word Power
Wow, a power word that I can pronounce right off the bat.
But, please, explain the relationship between "High and Dry" and "Careening".
Posted by: 11B40 at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (evgyj)
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What makes French a particularly choice target of the "cuck" insult is that he wrote at great length how terrified he was that his wife would cheat on him when he went to do paperwork in the Green Zone.
He had a whole elaborate set of rules about her not physically touching men, never being alone with them, and made her agree to it.
I swear I am not making this up. He wrote about it at NR, but I refuse to go and look for it.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:23 AM (cfSRQ)
Wow. Just wow.
Talking about drawing a target on yourself.
And who really needs to know this? Unless this was a confessional, "I used to be a jerk and this is one of the jerk things I used to do..." sort of thing.
Because other than that, it's simply TMI.
He had a whole elaborate set of rules about her not physically touching men, never being alone with them, and made her agree to it.
I swear I am not making this up. He wrote about it at NR, but I refuse to go and look for it.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:23 AM (cfSRQ)
Wow. Just wow.
Talking about drawing a target on yourself.
And who really needs to know this? Unless this was a confessional, "I used to be a jerk and this is one of the jerk things I used to do..." sort of thing.
Because other than that, it's simply TMI.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (w1MTk)
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Hogmartin cautioned me to check to see if the ticket guaranteed entrance, which I'll do soon whilst checking out logistics.
I was talking about this with a midget last night. Hogmartin showed up two hours early with a ticket to a 20,000 seat venue and had to watch outside on a jumbotron.
Biden announced to 150 union thugs in a union hall.
Something here is happening and you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones.
I was talking about this with a midget last night. Hogmartin showed up two hours early with a ticket to a 20,000 seat venue and had to watch outside on a jumbotron.
Biden announced to 150 union thugs in a union hall.
Something here is happening and you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (fuK7c)
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I have not read that book on marijuana, because I probably could have written it. I do think it's fascinating, living in these times. Marijuana is such an insidious thing, I'm amazed we've essentially allowed ourselves to be roped in so thoroughly to its more harmful effects... which essentially have nothing to do with how one feels/acts while under its influence.
But we're going to legalize it everywhere, and it'll be a godsend to the people who want to exert control over the lives of a citizenry that has willingly given away its freedom.
Just another piece of evidence that progress is, indeed, a lie.
But we're going to legalize it everywhere, and it'll be a godsend to the people who want to exert control over the lives of a citizenry that has willingly given away its freedom.
Just another piece of evidence that progress is, indeed, a lie.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (cY3LT)
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Good morning book readers!
I have talked about this one the ONT, and I want to throw it at the dayside people too. I worked in an arena doing concert production for years, and am downsizing. Part of that downsizing is getting rid of lots of local crew shirts that are given to the workers; they are not available to the general public.
Email address in my nic; I can send you the list in Excel. Lots of variety, almost all in size XL.
/now back to your regularly scheduled book related programming. Disclosure: I am currently reading a book of short stories by Somerset Maugham.
I have talked about this one the ONT, and I want to throw it at the dayside people too. I worked in an arena doing concert production for years, and am downsizing. Part of that downsizing is getting rid of lots of local crew shirts that are given to the workers; they are not available to the general public.
Email address in my nic; I can send you the list in Excel. Lots of variety, almost all in size XL.
/now back to your regularly scheduled book related programming. Disclosure: I am currently reading a book of short stories by Somerset Maugham.
Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2019 11:31 AM (sktRI)
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YD, the Provoo case is even more ridiculous.
Provoo walked out of the caves on Correigdor wearing a kimono speaking Japanese. Got a US Army doctor shot by the Japanese. Told the nurses to be honored to get raped by the Japanese. Did broadcasts for the Japanese. And the Army still gave him an Honorable Discharge.
Then they realized what a cock-up they had performed. So the Army and FBI colluded to rectify things. Provoo's conviction was tossed out because how inept the farce of this prosecution was.
So Provoo is buried among the honored dead in the Punchbowl on Hawai'i.
Provoo walked out of the caves on Correigdor wearing a kimono speaking Japanese. Got a US Army doctor shot by the Japanese. Told the nurses to be honored to get raped by the Japanese. Did broadcasts for the Japanese. And the Army still gave him an Honorable Discharge.
Then they realized what a cock-up they had performed. So the Army and FBI colluded to rectify things. Provoo's conviction was tossed out because how inept the farce of this prosecution was.
So Provoo is buried among the honored dead in the Punchbowl on Hawai'i.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:31 AM (tLmOq)
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297: For me the soapiness of the sisters, and the Jane Austen " we need a male heir" focus was irritating. Like a bad rewrite of Pride And Prejudice jerked into the 20th century with the humor missing .
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:32 AM (U7k5w)
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I am currently struggling a bit with writing. I have started writing another novel and its going well enough but I'm not enjoying the writing like I did the previous ones.
Back in the day, I had three novels published by an actual publisher. I had a blast writing them.
Then my agent told me to try something else. Well... it did not work at all. They did not sell and I didn't have fun writing them.
I think "not fun" is a sign.
Back in the day, I had three novels published by an actual publisher. I had a blast writing them.
Then my agent told me to try something else. Well... it did not work at all. They did not sell and I didn't have fun writing them.
I think "not fun" is a sign.
Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2019 11:32 AM (sktRI)
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Because other than that, it's simply TMI.
Dear World, I can't trust my wife.
Yeah, if I'd read that I'd have been the first one at her door trying to bang her because he deserves it.
Dear World, I can't trust my wife.
Yeah, if I'd read that I'd have been the first one at her door trying to bang her because he deserves it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:33 AM (fuK7c)
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And who really needs to know this? Unless this was a confessional, "I
used to be a jerk and this is one of the jerk things I used to do..."
sort of thing.
And if she truly loved him and honored her vow, she would've done that anyway without his having to have her sign a contract. What a putz...
used to be a jerk and this is one of the jerk things I used to do..."
sort of thing.
And if she truly loved him and honored her vow, she would've done that anyway without his having to have her sign a contract. What a putz...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:33 AM (HaL55)
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Wow. Just wow.
Talking about drawing a target on yourself.
And
who really needs to know this? Unless this was a confessional, "I used
to be a jerk and this is one of the jerk things I used to do..." sort of
thing.
Because other than that, it's simply TMI.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (w1MTk)
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He might have been trying to defend Pence when his rules came out.
Of course Pence's rules were in place because as a GOP governor, he knew he would be targeted for bogus sexual harassment claims (Dems never have to worry about real ones, of course).
French goes way beyond the whole "I don't want bad optics or blackmail opportunities." I mean, I deploy from time to time, usually short stints, though I did spend Three Weeks with the Coasties (now available in paperback and ebook) and the topic never came up.
The guy is pathologically insecure.
Talking about drawing a target on yourself.
And
who really needs to know this? Unless this was a confessional, "I used
to be a jerk and this is one of the jerk things I used to do..." sort of
thing.
Because other than that, it's simply TMI.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (w1MTk)
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He might have been trying to defend Pence when his rules came out.
Of course Pence's rules were in place because as a GOP governor, he knew he would be targeted for bogus sexual harassment claims (Dems never have to worry about real ones, of course).
French goes way beyond the whole "I don't want bad optics or blackmail opportunities." I mean, I deploy from time to time, usually short stints, though I did spend Three Weeks with the Coasties (now available in paperback and ebook) and the topic never came up.
The guy is pathologically insecure.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:33 AM (cfSRQ)
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You're prolly right, Insom. I want to see if I can reserve a Lyft to and from. Getting home from the Bama/Louisville game was really pricey because crowded/high demand. I'd like to avoid that if possible this time.
You oughta get a ticket and we could represent the Horde together. There are many bars in that place from what I hear. I haven't been in it yet.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:28 AM (HaL55)
It's been a while since I've been inside the Amway Center, but it's an impressive facility. Nurse and I were talking about this and weighing the pros and cons - the main con being the probability of having to wait in line ten hours to get in. We'll see!
You oughta get a ticket and we could represent the Horde together. There are many bars in that place from what I hear. I haven't been in it yet.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:28 AM (HaL55)
It's been a while since I've been inside the Amway Center, but it's an impressive facility. Nurse and I were talking about this and weighing the pros and cons - the main con being the probability of having to wait in line ten hours to get in. We'll see!
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:34 AM (NWiLs)
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303: There are better ways to exert control over your life. IMO.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:34 AM (U7k5w)
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shibumi, do you have any from Milli Vanilli? If so, CBD would like one. Or two.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:34 AM (aXucN)
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Does French own any nuts?
Posted by: Puddin Head at June 02, 2019 11:35 AM (vV/gB)
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Gavin Newsom
@GavinNewsom
California's what happens when rights are respected. When work is rewarded. When nature's protected. When diversity is celebrated and free markets are fair markets.
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Ahhh. No thank, you.
@GavinNewsom
California's what happens when rights are respected. When work is rewarded. When nature's protected. When diversity is celebrated and free markets are fair markets.
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Ahhh. No thank, you.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:35 AM (+y/Ru)
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Is that a picture of the SS Weekly Standard?
Posted by: Surfperch at June 02, 2019 11:35 AM (tVQUs)
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And if she truly loved him and honored her vow, she would've done that anyway without his having to have her sign a contract. What a putz...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:33 AM (HaL55)
"If" being the operative word. Maybe he was commanded by God to marry a harlot, which put the "ho" in Hosea.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:33 AM (HaL55)
"If" being the operative word. Maybe he was commanded by God to marry a harlot, which put the "ho" in Hosea.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:36 AM (NWiLs)
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shibumi - you're a novelist? I had no idea! The length and breadth of Horde experience astonishes me.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:36 AM (aXucN)
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Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:31 AM (tLmOq)
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Oy. Vei.
The FBI has been horrible my whole life, and I do think they're much worse now than ever, but I'm now coming to the conclusion that they have always sucked at all things except maybe at busting mafia gangsters in the old days.
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Oy. Vei.
The FBI has been horrible my whole life, and I do think they're much worse now than ever, but I'm now coming to the conclusion that they have always sucked at all things except maybe at busting mafia gangsters in the old days.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 02, 2019 11:37 AM (5aX2M)
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shibum, email sent.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 11:37 AM (HaL55)
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I'm a tried-and-true-ist, not a novelist.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:37 AM (NWiLs)
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307: Hemingway said it was like opening a vein and bleeding, which sounds not terribly fun. Go back to fun.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:37 AM (U7k5w)
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Provoo's crimes were also entered into the Congressional Record to make sure no one forgot.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:37 AM (tLmOq)
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Bluebell, unfortunately, no Milli Vanilli. My collection is from the very late 80's to 2017, and is "arena rock."
There are also a bunch of bands that never give out shirts.
That being said, people can just ask about the collection. I might have it. I might not. Right now, my favorite is a black Poison shirt with green lettering and a half naked girl on the back. Because... "late 80's" and "really politically correct."
I have set aside my Judas Priest Ram it Down/ Shove it Up shirt with the hand giving the middle finger for Bozo Conservative.
There are also a bunch of bands that never give out shirts.
That being said, people can just ask about the collection. I might have it. I might not. Right now, my favorite is a black Poison shirt with green lettering and a half naked girl on the back. Because... "late 80's" and "really politically correct."
I have set aside my Judas Priest Ram it Down/ Shove it Up shirt with the hand giving the middle finger for Bozo Conservative.
Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2019 11:38 AM (sktRI)
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I know a mom at school with an adopted daughter - she told me she herself was adopted, and it would please her if her daughter decided to adopt one day also.
Anyway, they seem.close, very loving.
(it was pretty obvious the daughter was adopted, different races and all)
Anyway, they seem.close, very loving.
(it was pretty obvious the daughter was adopted, different races and all)
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 02, 2019 11:38 AM (dm05u)
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I just know I can count on Little Admiral Kristol to rescue my boat. *hic*
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!! at June 02, 2019 11:39 AM (EgshT)
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Marijuana is such an insidious thing, I'm amazed
we've essentially allowed ourselves to be roped in so thoroughly to its
more harmful effects... which essentially have nothing to do with how
one feels/acts while under its influence.
But we're going to legalize it everywhere, and it'll be a godsend to
the people who want to exert control over the lives of a citizenry that
has willingly given away its freedom.
Just another piece of evidence that progress is, indeed, a lie.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (cY3LT)
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Strongly disagree with you.
The war on drugs failed. It was expensive and made a freaking plant illegal. And yet it grows abundantly. The fact that we had helicopter mission to spot plants so that agents could spray herbicide shows exactly how pointless and wasteful the thing was because
ANYONE WHO WANTED IT COULD STILL GET IT.
Sorry to shout, but it's true.
Cannabis does in fact have medicinal properties, but no one was even allowed to study them until now. My wife uses edible THC extract and it has been a miracle for her. Cured her nausea, she sleeps better, can move around again, and she was able to give up a dozen meds that were killing her with side effects.
Alas, freedom means it will be abused (like alcohol) but prohibition wasn't working.
Of course, having legalized pot, Michigan's brain-dead legislators now want to criminalize vaping because stupid.
we've essentially allowed ourselves to be roped in so thoroughly to its
more harmful effects... which essentially have nothing to do with how
one feels/acts while under its influence.
But we're going to legalize it everywhere, and it'll be a godsend to
the people who want to exert control over the lives of a citizenry that
has willingly given away its freedom.
Just another piece of evidence that progress is, indeed, a lie.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (cY3LT)
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Strongly disagree with you.
The war on drugs failed. It was expensive and made a freaking plant illegal. And yet it grows abundantly. The fact that we had helicopter mission to spot plants so that agents could spray herbicide shows exactly how pointless and wasteful the thing was because
ANYONE WHO WANTED IT COULD STILL GET IT.
Sorry to shout, but it's true.
Cannabis does in fact have medicinal properties, but no one was even allowed to study them until now. My wife uses edible THC extract and it has been a miracle for her. Cured her nausea, she sleeps better, can move around again, and she was able to give up a dozen meds that were killing her with side effects.
Alas, freedom means it will be abused (like alcohol) but prohibition wasn't working.
Of course, having legalized pot, Michigan's brain-dead legislators now want to criminalize vaping because stupid.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:39 AM (cfSRQ)
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Bluebell, unfortunately, no Milli Vanilli. My collection is from the very late 80's to 2017, and is "arena rock."
Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2019 11:38 AM (sktRI)
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Sad! But thank you.
Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2019 11:38 AM (sktRI)
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Sad! But thank you.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:40 AM (aXucN)
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Just dropped in to note the passing of one of my personal favorite authors, Tony Horowitz.
His passing may have been noted last week.
His books are light reading, and fun.
I finished "Unfreedom of the Press" by Levin.
Just get it and read it.
His passing may have been noted last week.
His books are light reading, and fun.
I finished "Unfreedom of the Press" by Levin.
Just get it and read it.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 02, 2019 11:42 AM (w7KSn)
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Joe Biden Promises to Make LGBTQ Rights His Top Legislative Priority
Wow, so gad he has his priorities in Order? What a suck up
Wow, so gad he has his priorities in Order? What a suck up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2019 11:43 AM (Y+V3r)
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Of course Pence's rules were in place because as a GOP governor, he knew he would be targeted for bogus sexual harassment claims (Dems never have to worry about real ones, of course).
Repubs can only bang their wife missionary 2x a month in the dark. Dems are thought well of when they actually pay child support to the second baby mama.
Of course Pence's rules were in place because as a GOP governor, he knew he would be targeted for bogus sexual harassment claims (Dems never have to worry about real ones, of course).
Repubs can only bang their wife missionary 2x a month in the dark. Dems are thought well of when they actually pay child support to the second baby mama.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (JFO2v)
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Backwards Boy... list should be in your inbox!
Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (sktRI)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (tLmOq)
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Hemingway said it was like opening a vein and bleeding, which sounds not terribly fun
Hemingway was overly dramatic as usual. The writing is the easy part, its the selling that's misery. The more books I have on the shelf, the more I tend to sell, so its a good idea to have more written. 3 isn't really very many, especially since I got no new book at all written for 3 years.
Hemingway was overly dramatic as usual. The writing is the easy part, its the selling that's misery. The more books I have on the shelf, the more I tend to sell, so its a good idea to have more written. 3 isn't really very many, especially since I got no new book at all written for 3 years.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (39g3+)
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Too bad Trump didn't schedule it for Juneteenth, the crying and whining would be epic.
Posted by: Infidel at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (xzK3J)
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The bottom line is, do we want the history of our country taught by historians who hate America, or by those who love her?
We have some thoughts on that.
We have some thoughts on that.
Posted by: Pinochet Airlines at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (EgshT)
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Marijuana is such an insidious thing, I'm amazed
we've essentially allowed ourselves to be roped in so thoroughly to its
more harmful effects... which essentially have nothing to do with how
one feels/acts while under its influence.
But we're going to legalize it everywhere, and it'll be a godsend to
the people who want to exert control over the lives of a citizenry that
has willingly given away its freedom.
Just another piece of evidence that progress is, indeed, a lie.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (cY3LT)
Sorry I misread this. Yep, weed will help govt exert control, just as opiates do, and more people will succumb to weed than will allow themselves to get into opiates. The opium of the people is now drugs, climate change, and diversity.
we've essentially allowed ourselves to be roped in so thoroughly to its
more harmful effects... which essentially have nothing to do with how
one feels/acts while under its influence.
But we're going to legalize it everywhere, and it'll be a godsend to
the people who want to exert control over the lives of a citizenry that
has willingly given away its freedom.
Just another piece of evidence that progress is, indeed, a lie.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (cY3LT)
Sorry I misread this. Yep, weed will help govt exert control, just as opiates do, and more people will succumb to weed than will allow themselves to get into opiates. The opium of the people is now drugs, climate change, and diversity.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (U7k5w)
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333 NGU,
Just wait until Joey Bidet tries to grope and sniff Jazz.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (tLmOq)
*vomits*
Just wait until Joey Bidet tries to grope and sniff Jazz.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (tLmOq)
*vomits*
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (NWiLs)
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Oregon is awash in legal pot.
They estimate that not another plant could be harvested, and they would have enough for the next 6 years.
Some states where legalization is in place, weed arrests are UP! Because bootleggers.
They estimate that not another plant could be harvested, and they would have enough for the next 6 years.
Some states where legalization is in place, weed arrests are UP! Because bootleggers.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (w7KSn)
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300 Greetings:
Re: Word Power
Wow, a power word that I can pronounce right off the bat.
But, please, explain the relationship between "High and Dry" and "Careening".
Posted by: 11B40 at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (evgyj)
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Simple. The latter can lead to the former, if you leave her careened too long.
And that brings up a major gripe of mine. I dislike the PC Feminine, where writers use "she" and "her" where the sex of the subject isn't involved, as "A driver should keep her eyes on the road". English usage entails "his", and doesn't mean to address just men.
That's bad enough, but a long-established feminine usage is being dropped. Nowadays, ships are being referred to as "it". F*** that. "She" has worked for centuries. The Frenchies don't use it, and look at them. (Their usage is based on the gender of the name. Richelieu is "il", Jeanne D'Arc is "elle". How'd that work out? Even De Grasse got his clock cleaned at the Saintes.)
Re: Word Power
Wow, a power word that I can pronounce right off the bat.
But, please, explain the relationship between "High and Dry" and "Careening".
Posted by: 11B40 at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (evgyj)
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Simple. The latter can lead to the former, if you leave her careened too long.
And that brings up a major gripe of mine. I dislike the PC Feminine, where writers use "she" and "her" where the sex of the subject isn't involved, as "A driver should keep her eyes on the road". English usage entails "his", and doesn't mean to address just men.
That's bad enough, but a long-established feminine usage is being dropped. Nowadays, ships are being referred to as "it". F*** that. "She" has worked for centuries. The Frenchies don't use it, and look at them. (Their usage is based on the gender of the name. Richelieu is "il", Jeanne D'Arc is "elle". How'd that work out? Even De Grasse got his clock cleaned at the Saintes.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:46 AM (VaN/j)
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Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (cY3LT)
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Strongly disagree with you.
The war on drugs failed. It was expensive and made a freaking plant illegal. And yet it grows abundantly. The fact that we had helicopter mission to spot plants so that agents could spray herbicide shows exactly how pointless and wasteful the thing was because
ANYONE WHO WANTED IT COULD STILL GET IT.
Sorry to shout, but it's true.
Cannabis does in fact have medicinal properties, but no one was even allowed to study them until now. My wife uses edible THC extract and it has been a miracle for her. Cured her nausea, she sleeps better, can move around again, and she was able to give up a dozen meds that were killing her with side effects.
Alas, freedom means it will be abused (like alcohol) but prohibition wasn't working.
Of course, having legalized pot, Michigan's brain-dead legislators now want to criminalize vaping because stupid.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:39 AM (cfSRQ)
You're not actually disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the "war on drugs."
We live in a world where people are trained to be dependent on things. Some legal, and some not legal, and the criminalization of marijuana is only relevant to that in the sense that it created a disrespect for the law, created a rebellious bent in many, who said "if it's illegal, then it must be good!"
But its worst effect is to create at a very young age, the belief that we need something to take the edge off life. So we have all kinds of pills and potions and poisons and so many other things that people do to distract themselves from the reality of living.
And unlike blood pressure medicine, marijuana is cool.
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Strongly disagree with you.
The war on drugs failed. It was expensive and made a freaking plant illegal. And yet it grows abundantly. The fact that we had helicopter mission to spot plants so that agents could spray herbicide shows exactly how pointless and wasteful the thing was because
ANYONE WHO WANTED IT COULD STILL GET IT.
Sorry to shout, but it's true.
Cannabis does in fact have medicinal properties, but no one was even allowed to study them until now. My wife uses edible THC extract and it has been a miracle for her. Cured her nausea, she sleeps better, can move around again, and she was able to give up a dozen meds that were killing her with side effects.
Alas, freedom means it will be abused (like alcohol) but prohibition wasn't working.
Of course, having legalized pot, Michigan's brain-dead legislators now want to criminalize vaping because stupid.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:39 AM (cfSRQ)
You're not actually disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the "war on drugs."
We live in a world where people are trained to be dependent on things. Some legal, and some not legal, and the criminalization of marijuana is only relevant to that in the sense that it created a disrespect for the law, created a rebellious bent in many, who said "if it's illegal, then it must be good!"
But its worst effect is to create at a very young age, the belief that we need something to take the edge off life. So we have all kinds of pills and potions and poisons and so many other things that people do to distract themselves from the reality of living.
And unlike blood pressure medicine, marijuana is cool.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:46 AM (cY3LT)
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330 Joe Biden Promises to Make LGBTQ Rights His Top Legislative Priority
Wow, so gad he has his priorities in Order? What a suck up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2019 11:43 AM (Y+V3r)
When you put any word in front of RIGHTS you know someone is going to get bent over.
Wow, so gad he has his priorities in Order? What a suck up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2019 11:43 AM (Y+V3r)
When you put any word in front of RIGHTS you know someone is going to get bent over.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 11:48 AM (JFO2v)
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Joey Bidet - Herr Groppen Fuhrer
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:48 AM (tLmOq)
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Some states where legalization is in place, weed arrests are UP! Because bootleggers.
Yup. Because it's immoral unless it's taxed. Same as gambling. Oh that's wrong, unless you buy our state lottery ticket or gamble at our Indian (right, seriously, in Connecticut?) casino.
Everything is a sin unless the government controls it.
Yup. Because it's immoral unless it's taxed. Same as gambling. Oh that's wrong, unless you buy our state lottery ticket or gamble at our Indian (right, seriously, in Connecticut?) casino.
Everything is a sin unless the government controls it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:48 AM (fuK7c)
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Yup. Because it's immoral unless it's taxed. Same as gambling. Oh that's wrong, unless you buy our state lottery ticket or gamble at our Indian (right, seriously, in Connecticut?) casino.
Cigarettes. Liquor.
Cigarettes. Liquor.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:49 AM (NWiLs)
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Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (cY3LT)
Sorry I misread this. Yep, weed will help govt exert control, just as opiates do, and more people will succumb to weed than will allow themselves to get into opiates. The opium of the people is now drugs, climate change, and diversity.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (U7k5w)
Exactly. And it's brainwashing kids in school by using textbooks that blast America and Western Civilization every chance they get.
I want to believe that humans prefer freedom to bondage, but the evidence... I just don't see it.
Sorry I misread this. Yep, weed will help govt exert control, just as opiates do, and more people will succumb to weed than will allow themselves to get into opiates. The opium of the people is now drugs, climate change, and diversity.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:44 AM (U7k5w)
Exactly. And it's brainwashing kids in school by using textbooks that blast America and Western Civilization every chance they get.
I want to believe that humans prefer freedom to bondage, but the evidence... I just don't see it.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:50 AM (cY3LT)
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Sell loosies and die.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
348
Joe Biden Promises to Make LGBTQ Rights His Top Legislative Priority
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Hang on, here. Thanks to the SC, the whole bowl of alphabet soup now has the exact same civil rights as everyone else.
So, I can only read this to mean "a panoply of extraconstitutional civil rights."
Maybe we can have a sumptuary law that those who don't wear the pink triangle must stop walking and avert our gaze in the presence of those who do.
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Hang on, here. Thanks to the SC, the whole bowl of alphabet soup now has the exact same civil rights as everyone else.
So, I can only read this to mean "a panoply of extraconstitutional civil rights."
Maybe we can have a sumptuary law that those who don't wear the pink triangle must stop walking and avert our gaze in the presence of those who do.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (5aX2M)
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Sad! But thank you.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:40 AM (aXucN)
I think Lord Acton may have a few words for you....
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:40 AM (aXucN)
I think Lord Acton may have a few words for you....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (wYseH)
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347 Sell loosies and die.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
Dont pay taxes and die!
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
Dont pay taxes and die!
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (JFO2v)
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Marinol as approved by the FDA in 1985, it's been studied by chemists for several generation without incarceration. I'm glad your wife gets relief, but most of the people I know who want "medical" marijuana want it for vague symptoms that cannot be proven, are under 30, and have other substance issues.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (U7k5w)
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Gavin Newsom
@GavinNewsom
California's what happens when rights are respected. When work is rewarded. When nature's protected. When diversity is celebrated and free markets are fair markets.
Ahhh. No thank, you.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:35 AM (+y/Ru)
Thank you Gavin Newsom for our new, happy life!
(Shouted within distance of your telescreen/echo/alexa for maximum benefit)
@GavinNewsom
California's what happens when rights are respected. When work is rewarded. When nature's protected. When diversity is celebrated and free markets are fair markets.
Ahhh. No thank, you.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 11:35 AM (+y/Ru)
Thank you Gavin Newsom for our new, happy life!
(Shouted within distance of your telescreen/echo/alexa for maximum benefit)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (fuK7c)
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He might have been trying to defend Pence when his rules came out.
Of course Pence's rules were in place because as a GOP governor, he knew he would be targeted for bogus sexual harassment claims (Dems never have to worry about real ones, of course).
French goes way beyond the whole "I don't want bad optics or blackmail opportunities." I mean, I deploy from time to time, usually short stints, though I did spend Three Weeks with the Coasties (now available in paperback and ebook) and the topic never came up.
The guy is pathologically insecure.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:33 AM (cfSRQ)
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Well, he IS a Never Trumper. I understand their marriages are, how you say, "different".
He might have been trying to defend Pence when his rules came out.
Of course Pence's rules were in place because as a GOP governor, he knew he would be targeted for bogus sexual harassment claims (Dems never have to worry about real ones, of course).
French goes way beyond the whole "I don't want bad optics or blackmail opportunities." I mean, I deploy from time to time, usually short stints, though I did spend Three Weeks with the Coasties (now available in paperback and ebook) and the topic never came up.
The guy is pathologically insecure.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:33 AM (cfSRQ)
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Well, he IS a Never Trumper. I understand their marriages are, how you say, "different".
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (VaN/j)
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327
Of course, having legalized pot, Michigan's brain-dead legislators now want to criminalize vaping becausestupid they're in the pocket of Big Pharma.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:39 AM (cfSRQ)
Fixed for accuracy.
Of course, having legalized pot, Michigan's brain-dead legislators now want to criminalize vaping because
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:39 AM (cfSRQ)
Fixed for accuracy.
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (sdi6R)
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If anyone needs a springboard for inspiration to write a spy novel - Nazi S-boats in MI6 service after World War II
https://youtu.be/ztdrNz9WcxY
https://youtu.be/ztdrNz9WcxY
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (tLmOq)
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346: Stoners are easy to brainwash.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (U7k5w)
358
Sell loosies and die.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
Nothing wrong with making it illegal, but I think the death penalty for selling cigarettes may be a bit harsh.
And I know, the guy resisted arrest. But still....
At least all of the cops got home safe!
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
Nothing wrong with making it illegal, but I think the death penalty for selling cigarettes may be a bit harsh.
And I know, the guy resisted arrest. But still....
At least all of the cops got home safe!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (wYseH)
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I think Lord Acton may have a few words for you....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (wYseH)
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He always does.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (wYseH)
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He always does.
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:53 AM (aXucN)
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Some states where legalization is in place, weed arrests are UP! Because bootleggers.
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Yup. Because it's immoral unless it's taxed. Same as gambling. Oh that's wrong, unless you buy our state lottery ticket or gamble at our Indian (right, seriously, in Connecticut?) casino.
Everything is a sin unless the government controls it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:48 AM (fuK7c)
I believe, to a large extent, the message that is sent, and it might be intentional, is that the law is arbitrary.
So when we have wide swaths of the citizenry that disregard the law, it erodes the concept that the law is fair and just... because it isn't.
So like I said, I'm not sure how much of that is intentional, but it sure as hell is having that very effect.
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Yup. Because it's immoral unless it's taxed. Same as gambling. Oh that's wrong, unless you buy our state lottery ticket or gamble at our Indian (right, seriously, in Connecticut?) casino.
Everything is a sin unless the government controls it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:48 AM (fuK7c)
I believe, to a large extent, the message that is sent, and it might be intentional, is that the law is arbitrary.
So when we have wide swaths of the citizenry that disregard the law, it erodes the concept that the law is fair and just... because it isn't.
So like I said, I'm not sure how much of that is intentional, but it sure as hell is having that very effect.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:53 AM (cY3LT)
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Fixed for accuracy.
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (sdi6R)
Not a chance. The are typical neo-puritanical leftists.
Why would pharma give a shit that people are vaping?
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (sdi6R)
Not a chance. The are typical neo-puritanical leftists.
Why would pharma give a shit that people are vaping?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:54 AM (wYseH)
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I think Lord Acton may have a few words for you....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (wYseH)
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Hey, shibumi says the Nickelback and Spice Girls shirts are still available, miraculously. Hurry!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (wYseH)
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Hey, shibumi says the Nickelback and Spice Girls shirts are still available, miraculously. Hurry!
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 11:55 AM (aXucN)
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Marinol as approved by the FDA in 1985, it's been studied by chemists for several generation without incarceration. I'm glad your wife gets relief, but most of the people I know who want "medical" marijuana want it for vague symptoms that cannot be proven, are under 30, and have other substance issues.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (U7k5w)
Benzos, baby! Benzos because this world is scary and dangerous!!
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:51 AM (U7k5w)
Benzos, baby! Benzos because this world is scary and dangerous!!
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:55 AM (cY3LT)
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My view on MJ is I have no doubt like any other drug it could be medically helpful but that isn't but .01% of who is using it and going along with the ride, and it will like alcoholism will destroy people.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 11:56 AM (BbGew)
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Nothing wrong with making it illegal, but I think the death penalty for selling cigarettes may be a bit harsh.
And I know, the guy resisted arrest. But still....
At least all of the cops got home safe!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (wYseH)
Not paying taxes has been punishable by death for many years.
And I know, the guy resisted arrest. But still....
At least all of the cops got home safe!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (wYseH)
Not paying taxes has been punishable by death for many years.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 11:56 AM (JFO2v)
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Why would pharma give a shit that people are vaping?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:54 AM (wYseH)
One reason might be that vaping is showing evidence of helping people quit smoking and nicotine dependence... something Big Pharma seems to be showing no evidence of wanting to see happen.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:54 AM (wYseH)
One reason might be that vaping is showing evidence of helping people quit smoking and nicotine dependence... something Big Pharma seems to be showing no evidence of wanting to see happen.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:57 AM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Rick E. Ricardo at June 02, 2019 11:58 AM (aKsyK)
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You're not actually disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the "war on drugs."
We live in a world where people are trained to be dependent on
things. Some legal, and some not legal, and the criminalization of
marijuana is only relevant to that in the sense that it created a
disrespect for the law, created a rebellious bent in many, who said "if
it's illegal, then it must be good!"
But its worst effect is to create at a very young age, the belief
that we need something to take the edge off life. So we have all kinds
of pills and potions and poisons and so many other things that people do
to distract themselves from the reality of living.
And unlike blood pressure medicine, marijuana is cool.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:46 AM (cY3LT)
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You were lamenting that we were going to legalize it, implying that we shouldn't.
Thus, the war on drugs would continue.
I think weed will be like alcohol was - right after prohibition ended, the country went on a massive bender and then sobered up. In a world where the substance is legal and becomes mundane, a lot of the glamor goes away.
Besides, legalization is the least worst option available.
We live in a world where people are trained to be dependent on
things. Some legal, and some not legal, and the criminalization of
marijuana is only relevant to that in the sense that it created a
disrespect for the law, created a rebellious bent in many, who said "if
it's illegal, then it must be good!"
But its worst effect is to create at a very young age, the belief
that we need something to take the edge off life. So we have all kinds
of pills and potions and poisons and so many other things that people do
to distract themselves from the reality of living.
And unlike blood pressure medicine, marijuana is cool.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:46 AM (cY3LT)
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You were lamenting that we were going to legalize it, implying that we shouldn't.
Thus, the war on drugs would continue.
I think weed will be like alcohol was - right after prohibition ended, the country went on a massive bender and then sobered up. In a world where the substance is legal and becomes mundane, a lot of the glamor goes away.
Besides, legalization is the least worst option available.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (cfSRQ)
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I believe, to a large extent, the message that is sent, and it might be intentional, is that the law is arbitrary.
So when we have wide swaths of the citizenry that disregard the law, it erodes the concept that the law is fair and just... because it isn't.
So like I said, I'm not sure how much of that is intentional, but it sure as hell is having that very effect.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:53 AM (cY3LT)
Is not that what most federal agencies are about. Creating a complex set of rules they can enforce on whom they wish.
Example Given HRC vs. PDT.
So when we have wide swaths of the citizenry that disregard the law, it erodes the concept that the law is fair and just... because it isn't.
So like I said, I'm not sure how much of that is intentional, but it sure as hell is having that very effect.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:53 AM (cY3LT)
Is not that what most federal agencies are about. Creating a complex set of rules they can enforce on whom they wish.
Example Given HRC vs. PDT.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (JFO2v)
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358 Sell loosies and die.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
Nothing wrong with making it illegal, but I think the death penalty for selling cigarettes may be a bit harsh.
And I know, the guy resisted arrest. But still....
At least all of the cops got home safe!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (wYseH)
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Don't you sell THC products? I keep getting junk mail about "CBD". Right along with the boner meds and the Ukrainian-Thai-Phillipina babes who want to meet me. (At least the latter pair makes sense. Buy the 3rd, you'll need the 2nd.)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
Nothing wrong with making it illegal, but I think the death penalty for selling cigarettes may be a bit harsh.
And I know, the guy resisted arrest. But still....
At least all of the cops got home safe!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (wYseH)
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Don't you sell THC products? I keep getting junk mail about "CBD". Right along with the boner meds and the Ukrainian-Thai-Phillipina babes who want to meet me. (At least the latter pair makes sense. Buy the 3rd, you'll need the 2nd.)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (VaN/j)
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Oh, forgot why I was taking a brake, it has dawned on me reading most of Patrick O'Brien's series and now this book The Caine Mutiny prior to this navy stories never really grabbed me much yet now finding them fascinating.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (BbGew)
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Of course, having legalized pot, Michigan's brain-dead legislators now want to criminalize vaping because stupid they're in the pocket of Big Pharma.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:39 AM (cfSRQ)
Fixed for accuracy.
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (sdi6R)
Of course, it's also true that vaping is becoming more and more popular with the kids, so the typical nanny staters are clucking their tongues at it too.
They may not be in bed with Big Pharma, but they're kissing cousins.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:39 AM (cfSRQ)
Fixed for accuracy.
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (sdi6R)
Of course, it's also true that vaping is becoming more and more popular with the kids, so the typical nanny staters are clucking their tongues at it too.
They may not be in bed with Big Pharma, but they're kissing cousins.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (cY3LT)
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Stoners are easy to brainwash.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (U7k5w)
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Eh, stoners are stoners, like anyone else. When I was a whippersnapper in the mountains of CO, I'd guess fully two-thirds of my HS smoked. Weed was BIG business in my county, long before legalization, and was tolerated by LE.
We had a handful of brainwashed hippie idiot kids, but fewer than in the city where fewer people smoked. Moreover, we had a whole lot of gun and bible clinging hillbilly deplorable kids who smoked.
So, YMMV.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 11:52 AM (U7k5w)
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Eh, stoners are stoners, like anyone else. When I was a whippersnapper in the mountains of CO, I'd guess fully two-thirds of my HS smoked. Weed was BIG business in my county, long before legalization, and was tolerated by LE.
We had a handful of brainwashed hippie idiot kids, but fewer than in the city where fewer people smoked. Moreover, we had a whole lot of gun and bible clinging hillbilly deplorable kids who smoked.
So, YMMV.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (5aX2M)
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363: Weed is frequently referred to as "self-medicating" for anxiety by people who want benzos. Grow up, learn to solve problems, and deal with your surroundings. I actually had people trying to claim disability because they needed so much weed for their anxiety. Again, usually young, physically fit, lazy AF.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 12:00 PM (U7k5w)
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Why would pharma give a shit that people are vaping?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:54 AM (wYseH)
Because sales of nicotine gum and patches have plummeted since vaping came along. Obviously, the solution is to make vaping as difficult and expensive as possible.
Why would pharma give a shit that people are vaping?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 11:54 AM (wYseH)
Because sales of nicotine gum and patches have plummeted since vaping came along. Obviously, the solution is to make vaping as difficult and expensive as possible.
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2019 12:00 PM (sdi6R)
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My view on MJ is I have no doubt like any other drug it could be medically helpful but that isn't but .01% of who is using it and going along with the ride, and it will like alcoholism will destroy people.
Well, gee, maybe we should prohibit alcohol. I mean we should, its effects are worse than those of pot.
Of course, my kid was prescribed pharmaceutical quality speed when he was eleven. (The generic for Adderall is amphetamine salts. It's Awesome!).
Everything about the war on some drugs is hypocritical.
Well, gee, maybe we should prohibit alcohol. I mean we should, its effects are worse than those of pot.
Of course, my kid was prescribed pharmaceutical quality speed when he was eleven. (The generic for Adderall is amphetamine salts. It's Awesome!).
Everything about the war on some drugs is hypocritical.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 12:00 PM (fuK7c)
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That guy in NY wasn't dead because of cigarettes, he was dead for taxes, don't lose that thought.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 12:01 PM (BbGew)
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One of the authors I follow is an ex-SF guy named Michael Yon. Recommend his work highly, he goes to where the fighting is and reports honestl.
Anyhoo, today he posted a very interesting analysis on the Chinese trade war and what the real play is. The analyst thinks each side is pushing for regime change...
https://tinyurl.com/yx95wa3e
Anyhoo, today he posted a very interesting analysis on the Chinese trade war and what the real play is. The analyst thinks each side is pushing for regime change...
https://tinyurl.com/yx95wa3e
Posted by: Hawkpilot at June 02, 2019 12:01 PM (sDbTR)
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I was talking about this with a midget last night.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (fuK7c)
Hey, tell her I said hi, if you don't mind. *waves*
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 11:29 AM (fuK7c)
Hey, tell her I said hi, if you don't mind. *waves*
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 12:02 PM (t+qrx)
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Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:53 AM (cY3LT)
Is not that what most federal agencies are about. Creating a complex set of rules they can enforce on whom they wish.
Example Given HRC vs. PDT.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (JFO2v)
Yes. I hate being a conspiracy theorist, but yeah, I believe much of what the feds (and states and local governments too, but they're just not as good at it) do to perpetuate their existence is create enough chaos and uncertainty around how and where and when laws are enforced.
Is not that what most federal agencies are about. Creating a complex set of rules they can enforce on whom they wish.
Example Given HRC vs. PDT.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (JFO2v)
Yes. I hate being a conspiracy theorist, but yeah, I believe much of what the feds (and states and local governments too, but they're just not as good at it) do to perpetuate their existence is create enough chaos and uncertainty around how and where and when laws are enforced.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:02 PM (cY3LT)
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After seeing those pants, I'm out to buy a set of Mariners pants.
Ha!
And yes. That was the book I was remembering. Clearly OMs research is better than my memory. I still have my copy...I think. It should be in one of the boses I haven't opened yet.
Ha!
And yes. That was the book I was remembering. Clearly OMs research is better than my memory. I still have my copy...I think. It should be in one of the boses I haven't opened yet.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 02, 2019 12:02 PM (rHGeg)
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Order placed, shibumi. Some of those are kewl and a couple of them I could wear ironically, if I was ironic like that.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 12:03 PM (HaL55)
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Bandersnatch- Probably all in all we would be better off, God knows I have told young people never to start drinking, but that horse is out of the barn and not my call to get it back in. I drink responsibility.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 12:03 PM (BbGew)
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French goes way beyond the whole "I don't want bad optics or blackmail opportunities." I mean, I deploy from time to time, usually short stints, though I did spend Three Weeks with the Coasties (now available in paperback and ebook) and the topic never came up.
The guy is pathologically insecure.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:33 AM (cfSRQ)
I have to admire your product placement.
The guy is pathologically insecure.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:33 AM (cfSRQ)
I have to admire your product placement.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 12:03 PM (w1MTk)
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374
363: Weed is frequently referred to as "self-medicating" for anxiety by
people who want benzos. Grow up, learn to solve problems, and deal with
your surroundings. I actually had people trying to claim disability
because they needed so much weed for their anxiety. Again, usually
young, physically fit, lazy AF.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 12:00 PM (U7k5w)
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Medical marijuana was always a gateway to full legalization. Get "the card" and you are now legit.
I wish to stress that point: these people were using it anyway, they just wanted to avoid legal complications.
With full legalization in Michigan, I suspect the medical cards will drop sharply in number once retail sales start.
But as for self-medicating, people do that already.
Frankly, I'd rather they used weed to chill than some of the nasty crap that Big Pharma is pumping out.
363: Weed is frequently referred to as "self-medicating" for anxiety by
people who want benzos. Grow up, learn to solve problems, and deal with
your surroundings. I actually had people trying to claim disability
because they needed so much weed for their anxiety. Again, usually
young, physically fit, lazy AF.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 12:00 PM (U7k5w)
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Medical marijuana was always a gateway to full legalization. Get "the card" and you are now legit.
I wish to stress that point: these people were using it anyway, they just wanted to avoid legal complications.
With full legalization in Michigan, I suspect the medical cards will drop sharply in number once retail sales start.
But as for self-medicating, people do that already.
Frankly, I'd rather they used weed to chill than some of the nasty crap that Big Pharma is pumping out.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:04 PM (cfSRQ)
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a couple of them I could wear ironically, if I was ironic like that.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 12:03 PM (HaL55)
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Did you buy the Spice Girls and Nickelback ones before CBD could get to them?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 12:03 PM (HaL55)
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Did you buy the Spice Girls and Nickelback ones before CBD could get to them?
Posted by: bluebell at June 02, 2019 12:04 PM (aXucN)
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Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (BbGew)
I recall that you like WWII history, so if you want to read a great novel of WWII, try "The Cruel Sea," by Nicholas Monsarrat.
I recall that you like WWII history, so if you want to read a great novel of WWII, try "The Cruel Sea," by Nicholas Monsarrat.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 02, 2019 12:04 PM (wYseH)
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Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:46 AM (cY3LT)
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You were lamenting that we were going to legalize it, implying that we shouldn't.
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Besides, legalization is the least worst option available.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (cfSRQ)
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You were lamenting that we were going to legalize it, implying that we shouldn't.
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Besides, legalization is the least worst option available.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:04 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 12:05 PM (fuK7c)
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I have to admire your product placement.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 12:03 PM (w1MTk)
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Mark Steyn is my role model.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 12:03 PM (w1MTk)
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Mark Steyn is my role model.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:05 PM (cfSRQ)
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Joe Biden Promises to Make LGBTQ Rights His Top Legislative Priority
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Cher has some well reasoned comments on this issue.
https://bit.ly/2IbHukk
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Cher has some well reasoned comments on this issue.
https://bit.ly/2IbHukk
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 02, 2019 12:06 PM (+y/Ru)
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CBD - I have heard of but never read that
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 12:06 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 12:07 PM (tLmOq)
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Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 11:46 AM (cY3LT)
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You were lamenting that we were going to legalize it, implying that we shouldn't.
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Besides, legalization is the least worst option available.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:04 PM (cY3LT)
Sorry, hit post too soon.
No, I wasn't really lamenting that we are going to legalize it, just saying it's obvious we are, and acknowledging that it's going to create OTHER problems that are almost entirely ignored.
I'm agnostic on "the war on drugs," really.
Some people suffer for it. Some will suffer once it's over.
Legalizing won't solve "the problem," because the problem is so multi-faceted, and so far beyond the question of what is and is not legal.
I deal with this stuff every day. I'll be dealing with it after it's legal everywhere too.
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You were lamenting that we were going to legalize it, implying that we shouldn't.
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Besides, legalization is the least worst option available.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 11:59 AM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:04 PM (cY3LT)
Sorry, hit post too soon.
No, I wasn't really lamenting that we are going to legalize it, just saying it's obvious we are, and acknowledging that it's going to create OTHER problems that are almost entirely ignored.
I'm agnostic on "the war on drugs," really.
Some people suffer for it. Some will suffer once it's over.
Legalizing won't solve "the problem," because the problem is so multi-faceted, and so far beyond the question of what is and is not legal.
I deal with this stuff every day. I'll be dealing with it after it's legal everywhere too.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:07 PM (cY3LT)
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Medical marijuana was always a gateway to full legalization. Get "the card" and you are now legit.
I wish to stress that point: these people were using it anyway, they just wanted to avoid legal complications.
With full legalization in Michigan, I suspect the medical cards will drop sharply in number once retail sales start.
But as for self-medicating, people do that already.
Frankly, I'd rather they used weed to chill than some of the nasty crap that Big Pharma is pumping out.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:04 PM (cfSRQ)
This used to be all dispensaries, down Cedar from Michigan Avenue to I-96, as far as the eye could see. *waves arm to horizon*
You're right, there are medical uses, but a very very high fraction of cards were probably for a debilitating case of not being blazed 24/7. Which is a pointless handwave that delegitimizes medical use and doesn't address the real reason people were getting cards. I'd rather have it out and open, tell it like it really is instead of a half-assed rationalization.
I wish to stress that point: these people were using it anyway, they just wanted to avoid legal complications.
With full legalization in Michigan, I suspect the medical cards will drop sharply in number once retail sales start.
But as for self-medicating, people do that already.
Frankly, I'd rather they used weed to chill than some of the nasty crap that Big Pharma is pumping out.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:04 PM (cfSRQ)
This used to be all dispensaries, down Cedar from Michigan Avenue to I-96, as far as the eye could see. *waves arm to horizon*
You're right, there are medical uses, but a very very high fraction of cards were probably for a debilitating case of not being blazed 24/7. Which is a pointless handwave that delegitimizes medical use and doesn't address the real reason people were getting cards. I'd rather have it out and open, tell it like it really is instead of a half-assed rationalization.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 12:09 PM (t+qrx)
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385: There are few non-benzo anxiolytics out there and people are justifiably reluctant to write for benzos. "Self-medicating" with EtOH or weed is bullshit, get a therapist, learn to cope, go for a run, take up a hobby. Exert some self-control for God sake.
Yep, the medical potheads were illegal potheads before, but as it became "prescribed" as a therapy it became attached to a pathology and that fake pathology is being turned into disability by the unscrupulous.
Yep, the medical potheads were illegal potheads before, but as it became "prescribed" as a therapy it became attached to a pathology and that fake pathology is being turned into disability by the unscrupulous.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 12:09 PM (U7k5w)
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Marijuana is such an insidious thing, I'm amazed
we've essentially allowed ourselves to be roped in so thoroughly to its
more harmful effects... which essentially have nothing to do with how
one feels/acts while under its influence.
But we're going to legalize it everywhere, and it'll be a godsend to
the people who want to exert control over the lives of a citizenry that
has willingly given away its freedom.
Just another piece of evidence that progress is, indeed, a lie.
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This does not read like a ringing denunciation of the war on drugs.
It reads like a lamentation that an "insidious thing" is going to be made legal everywhere, and the negative consequences that will follow.
That may not have been your intent, but that's what it looks like to me.
Marijuana is such an insidious thing, I'm amazed
we've essentially allowed ourselves to be roped in so thoroughly to its
more harmful effects... which essentially have nothing to do with how
one feels/acts while under its influence.
But we're going to legalize it everywhere, and it'll be a godsend to
the people who want to exert control over the lives of a citizenry that
has willingly given away its freedom.
Just another piece of evidence that progress is, indeed, a lie.
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This does not read like a ringing denunciation of the war on drugs.
It reads like a lamentation that an "insidious thing" is going to be made legal everywhere, and the negative consequences that will follow.
That may not have been your intent, but that's what it looks like to me.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:10 PM (cfSRQ)
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Hey, I found my car keys! They were in the ignition!
Posted by: A Stoner at June 02, 2019 12:10 PM (EgshT)
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The medical components can probably be extracted from the "stoner" components, but I can't imagine that would satisfy the aficionados.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 12:11 PM (U7k5w)
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Never mind, our posts crossed.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:11 PM (cfSRQ)
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Cher has some well reasoned comments on this issue.
It's like driving past a car wreck -- you can't not look. And then you feel bad about looking.
It's like driving past a car wreck -- you can't not look. And then you feel bad about looking.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 12:11 PM (qc+VF)
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Did you buy the Spice Girls and Nickelback ones before CBD could get to them?
Heh. I don't anybody I play with knows anything about those two other than they may have heard their names once or twice.
Now, if those t-shirts said "Road Crew" or something similar, I'da got one.
Heh. I don't anybody I play with knows anything about those two other than they may have heard their names once or twice.
Now, if those t-shirts said "Road Crew" or something similar, I'da got one.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 12:12 PM (HaL55)
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I wish I had invested more in Narcan when I had the chance.....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 02, 2019 12:12 PM (Z+IKu)
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401 Cher has some well reasoned comments on this issue.
It's like driving past a car wreck -- you can't not look. And then you feel bad about looking.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 12:11 PM (qc+VF)
Then you spark up a joint and feel better about it
It's like driving past a car wreck -- you can't not look. And then you feel bad about looking.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 12:11 PM (qc+VF)
Then you spark up a joint and feel better about it
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 12:12 PM (NWiLs)
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This does not read like a ringing denunciation of the war on drugs.
It reads like a lamentation that an "insidious thing" is going to be made legal everywhere, and the negative consequences that will follow.
That may not have been your intent, but that's what it looks like to me.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:10 PM (cfSRQ)
Yes. I'm not denouncing the "war on drugs."
And??
It reads like a lamentation that an "insidious thing" is going to be made legal everywhere, and the negative consequences that will follow.
That may not have been your intent, but that's what it looks like to me.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:10 PM (cfSRQ)
Yes. I'm not denouncing the "war on drugs."
And??
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:13 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 12:13 PM (tLmOq)
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I'm not worried about legalization. It's better than the alternative.
What worries me is young people who have been raised to expect comfort and safety everywhere. The parents and teachers spreading this nonsense are far more dangerous than any drug.
What worries me is young people who have been raised to expect comfort and safety everywhere. The parents and teachers spreading this nonsense are far more dangerous than any drug.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:13 PM (cfSRQ)
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406 Comparing Cher to a car wreck
Well they both use body filler...
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 12:13 PM (tLmOq)
Bondo!
Well they both use body filler...
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 12:13 PM (tLmOq)
Bondo!
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 12:14 PM (NWiLs)
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The war on drugs would be better solved by controlling the borders, reintroducing calisthenics (mental and physical) into the curriculum and having plenty of OT available for workers (make sure that everyone is a worker at some level) than it will be spraying pot farms and poppy fields.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 12:14 PM (U7k5w)
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Damned munchies. Can we have another food thread?
Posted by: A Stoner at June 02, 2019 12:14 PM (EgshT)
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Then you spark up a joint and feel better about it
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 12:12 PM (NWiLs)
http://tinyurl.com/yyg9s7rh
(old Iowahawk)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 12:12 PM (NWiLs)
http://tinyurl.com/yyg9s7rh
(old Iowahawk)
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 12:14 PM (t+qrx)
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Crap. Here, take this word "think" and put it in my previous comment.
Anywhere will be fine. And I thought I had enough covfefe...
Anywhere will be fine. And I thought I had enough covfefe...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 12:15 PM (HaL55)
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Half-nuts, that's all I ever heard.
Posted by: Cher at June 02, 2019 12:16 PM (EgshT)
414
Railroad ballast is kicking my ass today.
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 02, 2019 12:16 PM (ReE5g)
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Yes. I'm not denouncing the "war on drugs."
And??
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:13 PM (cY3LT)
Sorry, I think I turned this into a discussion that I did not intend.
I was sorta tying the whole thing back to OM's original main post, which was about the long march through the institutions by the commies, and essentially connecting the dots to our messed up relationship with chemical dependency in general.
The enemies of freedom have many tools at their disposal, and the one thing I lament, the one thing that bothers me the most, is that I am more and more cynical every day, that our species is predisposed to being slaves. One way or another.
And??
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:13 PM (cY3LT)
Sorry, I think I turned this into a discussion that I did not intend.
I was sorta tying the whole thing back to OM's original main post, which was about the long march through the institutions by the commies, and essentially connecting the dots to our messed up relationship with chemical dependency in general.
The enemies of freedom have many tools at their disposal, and the one thing I lament, the one thing that bothers me the most, is that I am more and more cynical every day, that our species is predisposed to being slaves. One way or another.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:17 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 02, 2019 12:18 PM (qc+VF)
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Locally I've seen pot shops going from lines out the door, 25-30 deep, to, hey, come on in, no waiting.
The bloom may be off the rose.
The bloom may be off the rose.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 02, 2019 12:18 PM (w7KSn)
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The medical components can probably be extracted from the "stoner" components, but I can't imagine that would satisfy the aficionados.
Maybe, but probably not. The thing about plants is that they are made by Nature and are not just an amalgam of compounds. No isolation of THC has ever done as well for chemo patients as actual marijuana.
It's complex. It's like finding that tea has some benefits and just isolating caffeine from it. Do you know how many kinds of tea there are?
I don't even toke any more. I don't know the difference between indica and sativa, but I have a friend who's a serious grower and you can look at the stuff under a microscope and tell what kind of high it will give you. Well, he can.
I didn't smoke in high school because I didn't like the stoners. I smoked later and liked it. It has downsides, too. So does alcohol, which I abuse.
I'm reading a lot of the "counter" argument as "I hate stoners". Well, hate at will, but in the two generations since the sixties the world has decided that pot is here to stay.
Maybe, but probably not. The thing about plants is that they are made by Nature and are not just an amalgam of compounds. No isolation of THC has ever done as well for chemo patients as actual marijuana.
It's complex. It's like finding that tea has some benefits and just isolating caffeine from it. Do you know how many kinds of tea there are?
I don't even toke any more. I don't know the difference between indica and sativa, but I have a friend who's a serious grower and you can look at the stuff under a microscope and tell what kind of high it will give you. Well, he can.
I didn't smoke in high school because I didn't like the stoners. I smoked later and liked it. It has downsides, too. So does alcohol, which I abuse.
I'm reading a lot of the "counter" argument as "I hate stoners". Well, hate at will, but in the two generations since the sixties the world has decided that pot is here to stay.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 02, 2019 12:18 PM (fuK7c)
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I'm agnostic on "the war on drugs," really.
Some people suffer for it. Some will suffer once it's over.
Legalizing won't solve "the problem," because the problem is so
multi-faceted, and so far beyond the question of what is and is not
legal.
I deal with this stuff every day. I'll be dealing with it after it's legal everywhere too.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:07 PM (cY3LT)
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Legalization will solve one problem. Whether it causes others remains to be seen.
It is possible that with the product both legal and available, use will fall because the illicit thrill is no longer there. Also, dosage can be more closely regulated. Imagine buying alcohol and having no idea what is in there or its proof?
Anyhow, one evil is slowly going away. We'll see what other ones emerge.
Some people suffer for it. Some will suffer once it's over.
Legalizing won't solve "the problem," because the problem is so
multi-faceted, and so far beyond the question of what is and is not
legal.
I deal with this stuff every day. I'll be dealing with it after it's legal everywhere too.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:07 PM (cY3LT)
---
Legalization will solve one problem. Whether it causes others remains to be seen.
It is possible that with the product both legal and available, use will fall because the illicit thrill is no longer there. Also, dosage can be more closely regulated. Imagine buying alcohol and having no idea what is in there or its proof?
Anyhow, one evil is slowly going away. We'll see what other ones emerge.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:18 PM (cfSRQ)
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I'm not worried about legalization. It's better than the alternative.
What worries me is young people who have been raised to expect comfort and safety everywhere. The parents and teachers spreading this nonsense are far more dangerous than any drug.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:13 PM (cfSRQ)
See, you and I are essentially saying the exact same thing.
What worries me is young people who have been raised to expect comfort and safety everywhere. The parents and teachers spreading this nonsense are far more dangerous than any drug.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:13 PM (cfSRQ)
See, you and I are essentially saying the exact same thing.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:19 PM (cY3LT)
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Want to mention the hypocrisy of public bans on cigarettes AND vaping yet the public acceptance of marijuana.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 12:20 PM (BbGew)
422
Heh. I don't anybody I play with knows anything about those two other than they may have heard their names once or twice.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 12:12 PM (HaL55)
Back in the day when they were a thing, I said to myself, "Self, you ought to listen to these here Spice Girls just to hear what they sound like."
So I listened to a couple of their songs.
Oh lordy, did the music suck. Hard. It wasn't that I don't like pop. I can recognize good pop even though I don't care for it. That was what I expected. But this just was just bad pop. None of the Spice Girls could sing. The vocals sounded like a high-school level amateur singing contest.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 12:12 PM (HaL55)
Back in the day when they were a thing, I said to myself, "Self, you ought to listen to these here Spice Girls just to hear what they sound like."
So I listened to a couple of their songs.
Oh lordy, did the music suck. Hard. It wasn't that I don't like pop. I can recognize good pop even though I don't care for it. That was what I expected. But this just was just bad pop. None of the Spice Girls could sing. The vocals sounded like a high-school level amateur singing contest.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 02, 2019 12:20 PM (w1MTk)
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Legalizing pot appears to me to be a weak effort to replace the revenue that was lost when manufacturing was destroyed.
Brainless Prog politicians: "Oh hey, we don't have as much money in our tax base since those big factories closed up and got moved to China or Mexico. Hmm, sales taxes are way down, too.
Hey, let's legalize pot! That way, we can still make money from all those laid off workers. My kids stay stoned all the time. It's a goldmine!"
Brainless Prog politicians: "Oh hey, we don't have as much money in our tax base since those big factories closed up and got moved to China or Mexico. Hmm, sales taxes are way down, too.
Hey, let's legalize pot! That way, we can still make money from all those laid off workers. My kids stay stoned all the time. It's a goldmine!"
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 12:20 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 02, 2019 12:21 PM (tLmOq)
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Legalization will solve one problem. Whether it causes others remains to be seen.
It is possible that with the product both legal and available, use will fall because the illicit thrill is no longer there. Also, dosage can be more closely regulated. Imagine buying alcohol and having no idea what is in there or its proof?
Anyhow, one evil is slowly going away. We'll see what other ones emerge.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:18 PM (cfSRQ)
Ah, but we already have the evidence! Rates of regular use have skyrocketed in the past decade or so.
Last time I looked the numbers had just about tripled among teens. I think the last numbers I saw were from maybe 2013, and annual increases were jumping by 20-30 percent.
It is possible that with the product both legal and available, use will fall because the illicit thrill is no longer there. Also, dosage can be more closely regulated. Imagine buying alcohol and having no idea what is in there or its proof?
Anyhow, one evil is slowly going away. We'll see what other ones emerge.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:18 PM (cfSRQ)
Ah, but we already have the evidence! Rates of regular use have skyrocketed in the past decade or so.
Last time I looked the numbers had just about tripled among teens. I think the last numbers I saw were from maybe 2013, and annual increases were jumping by 20-30 percent.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:22 PM (cY3LT)
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409
The war on drugs would be better solved by controlling the borders,
reintroducing calisthenics (mental and physical) into the curriculum and
having plenty of OT available for workers (make sure that everyone is a
worker at some level) than it will be spraying pot farms and poppy
fields.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 12:14 PM (U7k5w)
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Certainly legalization renders the import trade moot. I see that as a good thing.
A lot of the criminal infrastructure will likely weaken since people can go "legit." Tennessee did this with moonshine and it seems to have worked out well.
But the transition is going to chock full of stupid. Some will be tragic, and some will be downright hilarious.
The war on drugs would be better solved by controlling the borders,
reintroducing calisthenics (mental and physical) into the curriculum and
having plenty of OT available for workers (make sure that everyone is a
worker at some level) than it will be spraying pot farms and poppy
fields.
Posted by: CN at June 02, 2019 12:14 PM (U7k5w)
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Certainly legalization renders the import trade moot. I see that as a good thing.
A lot of the criminal infrastructure will likely weaken since people can go "legit." Tennessee did this with moonshine and it seems to have worked out well.
But the transition is going to chock full of stupid. Some will be tragic, and some will be downright hilarious.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:23 PM (cfSRQ)
427
414 Railroad ballast is kicking my ass today.
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 02, 2019 12:16 PM (ReE5g)
You aren't fooling anyone. We all know you're just jumping around like a Kansas City faggot.
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 02, 2019 12:16 PM (ReE5g)
You aren't fooling anyone. We all know you're just jumping around like a Kansas City faggot.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 12:23 PM (NWiLs)
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The plants have also been selected for higher THC levels then the old hippies remember.
Posted by: Jean at June 02, 2019 12:23 PM (25Dt7)
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NOOD filthy New Yawk
Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2019 12:23 PM (NWiLs)
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Want to mention the hypocrisy of public bans on cigarettes AND vaping yet the public acceptance of marijuana.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 12:20 PM (BbGew)
Heard around schools everywhere: Hey, you kids! Stop smoking, stop vaping!! Here, have some Xanax and Adderal.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 12:20 PM (BbGew)
Heard around schools everywhere: Hey, you kids! Stop smoking, stop vaping!! Here, have some Xanax and Adderal.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:24 PM (cY3LT)
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Ah, but we already have the evidence! Rates of regular use have skyrocketed in the past decade or so.
Last time I looked the numbers had just about tripled among teens. I
think the last numbers I saw were from maybe 2013, and annual increases
were jumping by 20-30 percent.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:22 PM (cY3LT)
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Right, but it was still illegal then. Having a few states legalize it distorts things because it creates "drug tourists" who skew things.
Time will tell.
Last time I looked the numbers had just about tripled among teens. I
think the last numbers I saw were from maybe 2013, and annual increases
were jumping by 20-30 percent.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 02, 2019 12:22 PM (cY3LT)
---
Right, but it was still illegal then. Having a few states legalize it distorts things because it creates "drug tourists" who skew things.
Time will tell.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 02, 2019 12:26 PM (cfSRQ)
432
nood
Posted by: Vic at June 02, 2019 12:28 PM (mpXpK)
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Posted by: shibumi at June 02, 2019 12:29 PM (sktRI)
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Want to mention the hypocrisy of public bans on cigarettes AND vaping yet the public acceptance of marijuana.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 12:20 PM (BbGew)
No kidding.
Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2019 12:20 PM (BbGew)
No kidding.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at June 02, 2019 12:31 PM (t+qrx)
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Oh lordy, did the music suck. Hard. It wasn't that I don't like pop. I
can recognize good pop even though I don't care for it. That was what I
expected. But this just was just bad pop. None of the Spice Girls could
sing. The vocals sounded like a high-school level amateur singing
contest.
Agreed wholeheartedly, OM. I considered them and their ilk to be "performers", not musicians or artists. They were there as more of a live video production to sell records. IHO, Madonna got that trend started in earnest, she was a capable dancer and had a good production team for concerts and videos. But she couldn't write, didn't play and is about as smart as gnurr, so pretty much useless as a real human. She did make a lot of people a lot of money, so there's that.
It's the rawest form of music as commercialism and is on the opposite end of the spectrum from good writers and players.
can recognize good pop even though I don't care for it. That was what I
expected. But this just was just bad pop. None of the Spice Girls could
sing. The vocals sounded like a high-school level amateur singing
contest.
Agreed wholeheartedly, OM. I considered them and their ilk to be "performers", not musicians or artists. They were there as more of a live video production to sell records. IHO, Madonna got that trend started in earnest, she was a capable dancer and had a good production team for concerts and videos. But she couldn't write, didn't play and is about as smart as gnurr, so pretty much useless as a real human. She did make a lot of people a lot of money, so there's that.
It's the rawest form of music as commercialism and is on the opposite end of the spectrum from good writers and players.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at June 02, 2019 12:31 PM (HaL55)
436
Checking in late just to say thanks for the recommendations for Herman Wouk's "The Caine Mutiny". I'm only a few chapters in but it is a delight. He really captures a character with a few droll comments. "The chief's voice was like a shovelful of pebbles dropped on tin."
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 02, 2019 01:18 PM (vhcul)
437
Rich Guy library needs to spend more on Books than Bling.......and so say all of us.
Posted by: saf at June 02, 2019 02:14 PM (5IHGB)
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A lot of people took shots at Max Hastings last week, but I read The Korean War many years ago anyway, and liked it, if only because it did have some North Korean sources. (I much prefer Fehrenbach's This Kind Of War, however, even if it was written only 11 years or so after the fact.) One book I think you will enjoy is 1914: Europe Goes To War. No opportunity for Mr. Hastings to show any sort of anti-American bias, real or perceived, given the subject: it never once leaves 1914 and showcases the runup and initial battles of WWI.
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at June 02, 2019 04:50 PM (W4ils)
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Downloaded a couple of Wodehouse's "Jeeves" books to listen to. They sound like they'll be fun.
Thanks for the recommendation and thank you Librivox.
If you haven't tried Librivox but don't want to spend the money for Audible, give it a try.
https://tinyurl.com/mvo5dbq
Thanks for the recommendation and thank you Librivox.
If you haven't tried Librivox but don't want to spend the money for Audible, give it a try.
https://tinyurl.com/mvo5dbq
Posted by: weirdflunky at June 02, 2019 04:52 PM (GwY6O)
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Ok, so for those us with more casual tastes in reading, I recommend author Logan Jacobs.
He's got about 4 series running on Amazon ranging from Sci-Fi to Fantasy, so yes wide range I know.
I can't recommend his Arena series highly enough. Basically random guy is selected to compete in a intergalactic tournament for the benefit of Earth. The depiction of POTUS in the series is freaking hilarious and it's really amusing to see those with TDS complaining about his appearances in the books. It's good natured exaggeration of our current POTUS without ever actually naming him.
Link to his Amazon page https://tinyurl.com/y36t9yn2
He's got about 4 series running on Amazon ranging from Sci-Fi to Fantasy, so yes wide range I know.
I can't recommend his Arena series highly enough. Basically random guy is selected to compete in a intergalactic tournament for the benefit of Earth. The depiction of POTUS in the series is freaking hilarious and it's really amusing to see those with TDS complaining about his appearances in the books. It's good natured exaggeration of our current POTUS without ever actually naming him.
Link to his Amazon page https://tinyurl.com/y36t9yn2
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