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From Foreign Policy Hawk to Careful Partial-Isolationist....
[The Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial: Colleville-sur-Mer, France] In my callow youth the idea of a robust and aggressive military presence in most of the world seemed like a fine idea. Why not back up our foreign policy blather with some actual, concrete control of world events. I lived in a part of the country that had a significant military presence, and the people I met in that community were overwhelmingly intelligent and thoughtful. I don't recall a single person who was even remotely the Hollywood image of a soldier. If those were the people who would conduct our foreign interventions, then we were in very good hands. They cared for their men, they loved our country, and they were careful and wary and did not romanticize war. But they are not the people who conduct our wars. They are the men who die. The people who conduct our wars have -- while perhaps not believing it -- behave as if the lives of our men in uniform are worthless; that their sacrifices are simply tools to further a political agenda quite detached from the best interests of the country and its citizens. September 11, 2001 was a watershed moment for many, because the great majority of Americans had no concept of an existential threat. Oh, they heard stories from their fathers and grandfathers about World War II, but America was the greatest and most powerful country in history...nothing could shake our foundations! Except for 19 men and four passenger jets. As usual, the tools of war had changed faster than the minds of the men who planned them, and we were faced with a new kind of enemy, one that had very little infrastructure, very little in the way of...well...anything except an ideology, and in fact had no country of its own. So off we went, determined to kill them all and rebuild them better than ever, with no thought of how that would be done, or if it could be done at all. And on the way we lost sight of the "kill them all" part, and collapsed into a morass of conflicting goals and political correctness, and the shocking idea that our armed forces weren't supposed to kill people and break things. All that did was get a lot of fine men killed, a lot of money wasted, and create a discordant set of ideas about the military. But it did change my mind, and the journey is mostly complete. The current state of affairs in the world requires one of two responses from America. We either enter conflicts with overwhelming force and a clearly defined goal of winning, or we do not enter at all. The lives of American servicemen are simply too valuable to use them in politically calculated half measures. No more rules of engagement that guarantee American deaths. No more carefully titrated responses that are vetted by multiple layers of bureaucracy. Should we assist our allies with logistical support? Of course! Should we use air power and naval power in their support and in support of our own objectives? Yes, if the benefit far outweighs the risk. But boots on the ground in faraway places where American soldiers shed their blood in place of others who should be bleeding and dying for their causes? No. Never.
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Really?
Posted by: davo at May 26, 2019 02:16 PM (sMLEE)
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We have plenty of military aged men. More than we know what to do with. And more arriving all the time!
Posted by: Mutti Merkel at May 26, 2019 02:19 PM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: Miklos, just Miklosing at May 26, 2019 02:22 PM (QzkSJ)
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We either enter conflicts with overwhelming force and a clearly defined goal of winning, or we do not enter at all. The lives of American servicemen are simply too valuable to use them in politically calculated half measures.
Word.
A buddy of mine said once, while in a combat zone, it's getting so you can't kill these bastards anymore. (speaking of the enemy and our ROEs.)
Thanks politicians!
Word.
A buddy of mine said once, while in a combat zone, it's getting so you can't kill these bastards anymore. (speaking of the enemy and our ROEs.)
Thanks politicians!
Posted by: Tonypete at May 26, 2019 02:24 PM (Y4EXg)
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Amen. 416 Bomb Wing (H) SAC, '72 - '76
Posted by: Radar at May 26, 2019 02:24 PM (j3rGv)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at May 26, 2019 02:25 PM (Ydn2k)
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I still like the idea of having the biggest, baddest military in the world. And we DO need a "presence" throughout the world--in the form of bases and airstrips and ports and the like.
But gone are the days when i believe we need to show up in force every time one tribe of goatfuckers has a beef with another tribe.
I trust Trump not to get us bogged down. If Iran tries something, the response will be quick, brutal and decisive and they will regret it.
But there will be no invasion.
But gone are the days when i believe we need to show up in force every time one tribe of goatfuckers has a beef with another tribe.
I trust Trump not to get us bogged down. If Iran tries something, the response will be quick, brutal and decisive and they will regret it.
But there will be no invasion.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2019 02:26 PM (NFEMn)
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I have been following the same path as CBD. If we MUST go in then Hell is coming with us. No more lawyer wars or proportional response. Flatten them, take what's valuable to pay for screwing with us and leave.
Posted by: Beartooth at May 26, 2019 02:27 PM (5q9y4)
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How can one help countries that are dead set on surrendering to communism or Islam, whichever comes first. Or a combination of both. Throw socialism in there for the hell of it.
Posted by: Burger Chef at May 26, 2019 02:29 PM (RuIsu)
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g'afternoon, 'rons
g'afternoon, 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson (click here for details for the June MoMe whats In June) at May 26, 2019 02:29 PM (X+9+k)
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You talk to any career military at the tip of the spear and he will tell you "be in it to win it" or don't even start.
Anything else sacrifices good people for nothing.
You talk to any career military at the tip of the spear and he will tell you "be in it to win it" or don't even start.
Anything else sacrifices good people for nothing.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2019 02:29 PM (KATBx)
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Out biggest mistake post 9/11 is the failure to address the root cause of Islamic violence. The religion is built on a house of cards and can't withstand critical analysis. There is no written evidence of the Koran for about 70 years after Muhammad's death. And according to their own records, large sections were lost due to those being responsible for memorizing certain tracks were killed before passing them along. And a goat ate a passage. But the fundamentalists claim the Koran is perfect and unabrigated. The current Koran was not agreed upon as the official version until the 1920s. The internal inconsistencies should be hammered hard until the 7th Century cult breaks up into a million versions or reforms itself.
Posted by: IanDeal at May 26, 2019 02:29 PM (vgGyZ)
Posted by: eleven at May 26, 2019 02:30 PM (tH5fk)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at May 26, 2019 02:31 PM (jEQZz)
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Re: Iran- no boots on the ground. With Saudi Arabia and Israel, take out their air force and navy. Take out their oil refinery. Take out their electrical stations. With bunker busters, go after all their uranium enrichment facilities. Then go home.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at May 26, 2019 02:32 PM (w7U7L)
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I would much rather fight a brutal, viscous one month war in which we take a thousand casualties and the enemy 10,000, and we win, than a protracted year after year affair in which we take 10,000 and the enemy 100,000 with no end in sight.
Both are born of political decisions, but the second reflects a lack of understanding of how to use the military as a tool of politics and a lack of political will.
Both are born of political decisions, but the second reflects a lack of understanding of how to use the military as a tool of politics and a lack of political will.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2019 02:32 PM (0tfLf)
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206 in honor of Memorial Day
Thank you to all the men and women who have given their last full measure for our freedom
and thank God for them, and for those who were willing to do so, and who still live--
May God bless them
Posted by: booknlass at May 26, 2019
A prayer I cannot better.
Thank you to all the men and women who have given their last full measure for our freedom
and thank God for them, and for those who were willing to do so, and who still live--
May God bless them
Posted by: booknlass at May 26, 2019
A prayer I cannot better.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 26, 2019 02:33 PM (Ofz3/)
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I agree with CBD and irongrandpa. I have never been in the military, but every male member of the family has, going way back. IMHO, if Iran keeps acting up, it should become a pretty piece of glass. Quick and dirty.
Posted by: Infidel at May 26, 2019 02:33 PM (xzK3J)
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GWB talked about us sending guys in to kill the bad guys in the night. My heart soared. Fucker didn't deliver. Why are UBL's family still breathing?
Posted by: JAS at May 26, 2019 02:34 PM (KOCKb)
Posted by: SMH at May 26, 2019 02:34 PM (RU4sa)
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i believe the kurds deserve our protection. should we withdraw the handful of troops in syria the turks, assad and suds force would wipe them out. or that is what they threaten. after years of obama's feckless dithering, the kurds were the only ones pressing the fight against isis. they deserve our support, at least until the turks promise to stand down.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 26, 2019 02:34 PM (Pg+x7)
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quds, not suds.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 26, 2019 02:34 PM (Pg+x7)
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Fuck. Willowed. Meh. Figures.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 26, 2019 02:35 PM (NWiLs)
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There is no written evidence of the Koran for about 70 years after Muhammad's death.
There's no evidence of a Gospel until 70 years after Jesus' death and no evidence of one in written form until 200 years after.
Wanna talk people out of Christianity on that basis?
There's no evidence of a Gospel until 70 years after Jesus' death and no evidence of one in written form until 200 years after.
Wanna talk people out of Christianity on that basis?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (fuK7c)
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Thank you for stating that so succinctly, CBD. My feelings exactly.
Posted by: TecumsehTea at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (5uW9e)
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Make Unconditional Surrender after a formal Declaration of War the only way we deploy troops
Overseas!
Overseas!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (AZxMX)
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Drown the Quds in beer suds...
And Verizon really? Pimping a military discount phone plan on Memorial Day weekend who's tag line is the woman saying "Military Moms serve too."
And Verizon really? Pimping a military discount phone plan on Memorial Day weekend who's tag line is the woman saying "Military Moms serve too."
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (dzYrt)
Posted by: booknlass at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (xIKXj)
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CBD,
You just put into words what I have believed for the last many years. These days, last 50 years, we don't fight to win. Object of war, in my opinion, is to make it so painful that enemy wants to quit.
thanks for the post!
You just put into words what I have believed for the last many years. These days, last 50 years, we don't fight to win. Object of war, in my opinion, is to make it so painful that enemy wants to quit.
thanks for the post!
Posted by: tom HUNTER at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (V2vwt)
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Don't trust the Turds.
Posted by: JAS at May 26, 2019 02:37 PM (KOCKb)
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If we beat the shit out of Iran, out putative allies wil! Be lined around the block for a piece of the rebuild and demand we fund it.
Posted by: Regular joe at May 26, 2019 02:37 PM (6/uwW)
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Wanna talk people out of Christianity on that basis?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (fuK7c)
Christianity is not an existential threat to Western culture.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (fuK7c)
Christianity is not an existential threat to Western culture.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 02:38 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Infidel at May 26, 2019 02:38 PM (xzK3J)
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Christianity is not an existential threat to Western culture.
No it's one of the bases of it. I just think it's silly to thing that "your religion is dumb" is a good argument.
No it's one of the bases of it. I just think it's silly to thing that "your religion is dumb" is a good argument.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:39 PM (fuK7c)
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Robin Olds to President Johnson, 'Win the g)d@mn war Mr. President!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2019 02:40 PM (dzYrt)
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a piece of the rebuild and demand we fund it.
Posted by: Regular joe at May 26, 2019 02:37 PM (6/uwW)
Dear "allies,"
LOL. get fvcked.
Posted by: Regular joe at May 26, 2019 02:37 PM (6/uwW)
Dear "allies,"
LOL. get fvcked.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 02:40 PM (wYseH)
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Christianity is not an existential threat to Western culture.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 02:38 PM (wYseH)
Or the very concept of civilization!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 02:38 PM (wYseH)
Or the very concept of civilization!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 02:40 PM (AZxMX)
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If we beat the shit out of Iran, out putative allies
wil! Be lined around the block for a piece of the rebuild and demand we
fund it.
Posted by: Regular joe at May 26, 2019 02:37 PM (6/uwW)
C'est vrai!
wil! Be lined around the block for a piece of the rebuild and demand we
fund it.
Posted by: Regular joe at May 26, 2019 02:37 PM (6/uwW)
C'est vrai!
Posted by: Quint at May 26, 2019 02:42 PM (n13/j)
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Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:39 PM (fuK7c)
But Islam isn't like Christianity.
Just the schism between Sunni and Shia Islam has been responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in the last generation or two. Highlighting the incongruities in Islam is a fine way of stoking the fires within their world.
But Islam isn't like Christianity.
Just the schism between Sunni and Shia Islam has been responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in the last generation or two. Highlighting the incongruities in Islam is a fine way of stoking the fires within their world.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 02:42 PM (wYseH)
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Ace made a good point about this the other day ... if we are not serious enough to lock up for life (or execute) American Taliban traitor Lindh, then maybe we are not really serious about the "war on terror" and should not be sending our best men to die (while commies like Comey/Brennan/Obama ran a big piece of our government.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 26, 2019 02:43 PM (Cus5s)
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No it's one of the bases of it. I just think it's silly to thing that "your religion is dumb" is a good argument.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:39 PM (fuK7c)
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So what is a good argument for talking muslims out of their barbaric death cult?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:39 PM (fuK7c)
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So what is a good argument for talking muslims out of their barbaric death cult?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 26, 2019 02:44 PM (4knXT)
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Interventionists aren't honest with themselves.
9/11 was a product of malicious agents from Pakistan and the house of saud.
So we sent our reprisals to Afghanistan and Iraq.
We sure showed them.
9/11 was a product of malicious agents from Pakistan and the house of saud.
So we sent our reprisals to Afghanistan and Iraq.
We sure showed them.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2019 02:45 PM (cXV7n)
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It is all written down in the instructions which we have ignored since 1945.
"Declaration of War".
You see what happens Larry when you fuck a stranger in the ass.
"Declaration of War".
You see what happens Larry when you fuck a stranger in the ass.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 26, 2019 02:46 PM (Z+IKu)
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Great post, CBD.
Couldn't agree more.
Posted by: SMH at May 26, 2019 02:34 PM (RU4sa)
+++
Ditto from me too. One thing that especially burned me up was the focus on the conditions at Gitmo - the relentless shrieking about how we were somehow cruel and were torturing these poor incarcerated animals. They were allowed Korans, prayer rugs, special foods, and I believe art lessons, if requested. Unbelievable. The Rules of Engagement were more slaps to the faces of our soldiers, who were somehow supposed to practice gentle combat. I am getting enraged thinking about it.
Great post, CBD.
Couldn't agree more.
Posted by: SMH at May 26, 2019 02:34 PM (RU4sa)
+++
Ditto from me too. One thing that especially burned me up was the focus on the conditions at Gitmo - the relentless shrieking about how we were somehow cruel and were torturing these poor incarcerated animals. They were allowed Korans, prayer rugs, special foods, and I believe art lessons, if requested. Unbelievable. The Rules of Engagement were more slaps to the faces of our soldiers, who were somehow supposed to practice gentle combat. I am getting enraged thinking about it.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 26, 2019 02:47 PM (EjlXc)
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2019 02:45 PM (cXV7n)
Funny how that worked. Lots of obvious Saudi connections and lots of oil money, nah that couldn't have been it.
Funny how that worked. Lots of obvious Saudi connections and lots of oil money, nah that couldn't have been it.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 02:47 PM (AZxMX)
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Kill them all. Leave no two stones stacked. Sow the lands with salt and nuclear power plant waste. Then sweep back through in about 5 years and repeat.
You want mercy from me? Repent your Death Cult. Four year old children ought to be picking up stones and killing Imams. Mothers whose children were killed in retaliatory air strikes ought to be suicide bombing the ACTUAL people who caused this. Their Islamic overlords.
Read their own words. This isn't a game of patty-cake. They mean to kill or enslave us.
But we are too nice... so my Grandchildren will likely be banging their foreheads towards Mecca eventually.
(yeah, I am being harsh. But I am sick to death of the media painting them as martyrs and sympathetic victims. They aren't.)
You want mercy from me? Repent your Death Cult. Four year old children ought to be picking up stones and killing Imams. Mothers whose children were killed in retaliatory air strikes ought to be suicide bombing the ACTUAL people who caused this. Their Islamic overlords.
Read their own words. This isn't a game of patty-cake. They mean to kill or enslave us.
But we are too nice... so my Grandchildren will likely be banging their foreheads towards Mecca eventually.
(yeah, I am being harsh. But I am sick to death of the media painting them as martyrs and sympathetic victims. They aren't.)
Posted by: Vukdawg at May 26, 2019 02:47 PM (Gf9VW)
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>>> 15 Re: Iran- no boots on the ground. With Saudi Arabia and Israel, take out their air force and navy. Take out their oil refinery. Take out their electrical stations. With bunker busters, go after all their uranium enrichment facilities. Then go home.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at May 26, 2019 02:32 PM (w7U7L)
Newsletter?
Sounds like a good plan for dealing with a lot of troublesome places.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at May 26, 2019 02:32 PM (w7U7L)
Newsletter?
Sounds like a good plan for dealing with a lot of troublesome places.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 26, 2019 02:48 PM (0ReGO)
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No, we didn't go to kill them all, otherwise we would have nuked them all, washed our hands of the shitholes and gone home.
They put ROE in place that tied the hands of our people on the ground and in the sky and it cost us dearly because our political betters knew best.
IMHO the armed forces do not need ROE when being fired on by animals hiding behind human shields, they just need to aim better and as for aerial warriors ... they can distinguish armed combatants and have no need to 'phone home' to get the go ahead to shoot.
I am tired of the pussy footing around politicians force the people who do the real job of making the enemy want to stop fighting. They need to take off the handcuffs and let them do their jobs in the fastest most expedient manner possible to stop the unnecessary deaths, the jihad johnnies will get the message loud and clear because they understand force.
But this is my opinion so odds of it happening are zilch.
They put ROE in place that tied the hands of our people on the ground and in the sky and it cost us dearly because our political betters knew best.
IMHO the armed forces do not need ROE when being fired on by animals hiding behind human shields, they just need to aim better and as for aerial warriors ... they can distinguish armed combatants and have no need to 'phone home' to get the go ahead to shoot.
I am tired of the pussy footing around politicians force the people who do the real job of making the enemy want to stop fighting. They need to take off the handcuffs and let them do their jobs in the fastest most expedient manner possible to stop the unnecessary deaths, the jihad johnnies will get the message loud and clear because they understand force.
But this is my opinion so odds of it happening are zilch.
Posted by: Gmac - Winning never gets old, like me ... But I'm still winning dammit! at May 26, 2019 02:48 PM (qZdIZ)
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The fundamental question that must be asked before any overseas adventures: how exactly and specifically are America's critical interests involved here?
If the answer to that is not apparent, fuggit. Leave 'em to it over there. It is not our job to right every wrong in the world. Especially since typically the two sides are evil and more evil, rather than good and evil.
If the answer to that is not apparent, fuggit. Leave 'em to it over there. It is not our job to right every wrong in the world. Especially since typically the two sides are evil and more evil, rather than good and evil.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 02:49 PM (if8r4)
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Christianity is not an existential threat to Western culture.
I have my doubts about Joel Osteen and the Episcopal Church.
I have my doubts about Joel Osteen and the Episcopal Church.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 02:49 PM (T6t7i)
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I'm curious though, what are our infantries for?
Joke answer: In case our border collapses and we get invaded.
I'm curious though, what are our infantries for?
Joke answer: In case our border collapses and we get invaded.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 26, 2019 02:49 PM (oGNNA)
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I agree in principle but my stumbling block is this: what should our response to 9/11 have been, then?
Posted by: Zoomie at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (H7+oG)
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@41
>so what is a good argument for talking muslims out of their barbaric death cult?<
Different calibers.
>so what is a good argument for talking muslims out of their barbaric death cult?<
Different calibers.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (KATBx)
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I have my doubts about Joel Osteen and the Episcopal Church.
Posted by: pep
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Okay, I admit it. I laughed.
Posted by: pep
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Okay, I admit it. I laughed.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (Y4EXg)
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Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (fuK7c)
?!!
Are we then to discount the oral tradition? Seriously
Paul's letters which predate the Gospel are dated from about 50-60 A.D and here is a long scholarly article based on the dates of the Gospel. I have no interest in debating this and have no time to do so. It's useless to talk people "out" of their faith. People are converted by the work of the Holy Spirit which works through a heart "strangely warmed", through supernatural visions and /or and because they find Jesus to be a entrancing persons and because they find loving community.
I will save that in having read the Koran a number of times I do not find the character of Mohammed at all appealing nor the religion he espoused an attractive one. Jesus shown in John and the community shown particularly by the the 1st, 2nd and 3rd letters of John much more appealing and glorious.
?!!
Are we then to discount the oral tradition? Seriously
Paul's letters which predate the Gospel are dated from about 50-60 A.D and here is a long scholarly article based on the dates of the Gospel. I have no interest in debating this and have no time to do so. It's useless to talk people "out" of their faith. People are converted by the work of the Holy Spirit which works through a heart "strangely warmed", through supernatural visions and /or and because they find Jesus to be a entrancing persons and because they find loving community.
I will save that in having read the Koran a number of times I do not find the character of Mohammed at all appealing nor the religion he espoused an attractive one. Jesus shown in John and the community shown particularly by the the 1st, 2nd and 3rd letters of John much more appealing and glorious.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 26, 2019 02:51 PM (ahS0B)
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agree in principle but my stumbling block is this: what should our response to 9/11 have been, then?
Posted by: Zoomie at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (H7+oG)
Lots of glowing glass In the ME!
Posted by: Zoomie at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (H7+oG)
Lots of glowing glass In the ME!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 02:51 PM (AZxMX)
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I agree in principle but my stumbling block is this: what should our response to 9/11 have been, then?
Posted by: Zoomie
Force the House of Saud to turn over every fucking jihadi funder to the US, and bomb the fucking shit out of every element that created the taliban in Paki. Murder every fucking financer of al qaeda and keep murdering them.
Posted by: Zoomie
Force the House of Saud to turn over every fucking jihadi funder to the US, and bomb the fucking shit out of every element that created the taliban in Paki. Murder every fucking financer of al qaeda and keep murdering them.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2019 02:53 PM (cXV7n)
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You talk to any career military at the tip of the spear and he will tell you "be in it to win it" or don't even start.
Anything else sacrifices good people for nothing.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2019 02:29 PM (KATBx)
I can't tell you how many times my late father said exactly that.
Anything else sacrifices good people for nothing.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2019 02:29 PM (KATBx)
I can't tell you how many times my late father said exactly that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 02:54 PM (if8r4)
Posted by: JAS at May 26, 2019 02:54 PM (KOCKb)
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>>> 50 Christianity is not an existential threat to Western culture.
I have my doubts about Joel Osteen and the Episcopal Church.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 02:49 PM (T6t7i)
Well....
https://tinyurl.com/yx9egaox
I have my doubts about Joel Osteen and the Episcopal Church.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 02:49 PM (T6t7i)
Well....
https://tinyurl.com/yx9egaox
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 26, 2019 02:54 PM (0ReGO)
Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 26, 2019 02:54 PM (PkVlr)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at May 26, 2019 02:54 PM (tayRE)
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China and Russia are infiltrating "The West" in many ways, here in the US and in South America ... all over really. But it is not by sending troops, it is more nefarious.
imo we need to counter that "invasion", and get serious about controlling the globalists that would be glad to have China get stronger. Bannon is doing some good work on that from what I can tell. He is also working on some Catholic school, in Italy I think .. a return to first principals or some such thang.
Pompeo recently spoke of the Trump Doctrine ... that we are changing to recognizing the world as it is, not dreaming that enrichhing China will all work out fine (a position pushed imo, because it was making the Wall Street globalist/CFR/EU/? crowd rich and powerful.
The war of infiltration has gone on at least since WW2, the Soviets and now China is fulley engaged, pushing their cultural commie norms right into our schools (after stealing our tech for decades, thanks Clintons)
I don't mind the old "Bush Doctrine" of spreading democracy ... to some degree. But not as a service for WallStreet globalists, more joint effort by liberty loving nations. That might be manifest in the various Trump style (sovereign rights) candidates winning around the world. long way to go ... and a short time to get there.
imo we need to counter that "invasion", and get serious about controlling the globalists that would be glad to have China get stronger. Bannon is doing some good work on that from what I can tell. He is also working on some Catholic school, in Italy I think .. a return to first principals or some such thang.
Pompeo recently spoke of the Trump Doctrine ... that we are changing to recognizing the world as it is, not dreaming that enrichhing China will all work out fine (a position pushed imo, because it was making the Wall Street globalist/CFR/EU/? crowd rich and powerful.
The war of infiltration has gone on at least since WW2, the Soviets and now China is fulley engaged, pushing their cultural commie norms right into our schools (after stealing our tech for decades, thanks Clintons)
I don't mind the old "Bush Doctrine" of spreading democracy ... to some degree. But not as a service for WallStreet globalists, more joint effort by liberty loving nations. That might be manifest in the various Trump style (sovereign rights) candidates winning around the world. long way to go ... and a short time to get there.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 26, 2019 02:55 PM (Cus5s)
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On the dates of the Gospel
www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospdefhub.php
and the "seriously" in post 55 should have a question mark followed by two exclamation points.
www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospdefhub.php
and the "seriously" in post 55 should have a question mark followed by two exclamation points.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 26, 2019 02:55 PM (ahS0B)
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Force the House of Saud to turn over every fucking jihadi funder to the US
No. Have 'em meet the guy with the sword Friday afternoon on Chop-Chop Square.
No. Have 'em meet the guy with the sword Friday afternoon on Chop-Chop Square.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 02:55 PM (if8r4)
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Well that is the logical conclusion to all the false premises and half-inaccuracies in your post, but one can get there another way - by citing the sort of understanding reflected in your post, and concluding the moral hazard of risking American lives in almost *any* scenario is unacceptable, because even the better informed Americans aren't serious.
There is so much commonly heard but incorrect stuff in your premises, it's both boring and impractical to fix in a comment section.
Instead let's - for once - just stipulate your premises and conclusion and see a call for a defense posture congruent with that "strategy".
Obviously we don't need most of our current force structure. Army and Marines, especially. Half the Navy. Nuke upgrades and revamping the nuke weapon industrial base actually needs more resources, has for some time.
so let's skip the inaccurate and context-free gibberish, and get down to budgets. surely today's DOD budget is an appalling deficit booster that cannot be justified with "partial isolationist" strategery?
There is so much commonly heard but incorrect stuff in your premises, it's both boring and impractical to fix in a comment section.
Instead let's - for once - just stipulate your premises and conclusion and see a call for a defense posture congruent with that "strategy".
Obviously we don't need most of our current force structure. Army and Marines, especially. Half the Navy. Nuke upgrades and revamping the nuke weapon industrial base actually needs more resources, has for some time.
so let's skip the inaccurate and context-free gibberish, and get down to budgets. surely today's DOD budget is an appalling deficit booster that cannot be justified with "partial isolationist" strategery?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2019 02:55 PM (QDnY+)
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Murder every fucking financer of al qaeda and keep murdering them.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2019 02:53 PM (cXV7n
Murder is evil!
Execution is righteous!
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2019 02:53 PM (cXV7n
Murder is evil!
Execution is righteous!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 02:55 PM (AZxMX)
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If we beat the shit out of Iran, out putative allies wil! Be lined around the block for a piece of the rebuild and demand we fund it.
Posted by: Regular joe
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Don't forget the entire sequence.
Putative Allies: "America is a bully that threatens Iran!"
*America kicks the mullahs out of Iran*
Putative Allies: "Dear New Iranians, congratulations on your glorious liberation and may we interest you in some of our fine products and services? Please apply to America for your purchasing grants and we will be open for business!"
If we beat the shit out of Iran, out putative allies wil! Be lined around the block for a piece of the rebuild and demand we fund it.
Posted by: Regular joe
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Don't forget the entire sequence.
Putative Allies: "America is a bully that threatens Iran!"
*America kicks the mullahs out of Iran*
Putative Allies: "Dear New Iranians, congratulations on your glorious liberation and may we interest you in some of our fine products and services? Please apply to America for your purchasing grants and we will be open for business!"
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 26, 2019 02:55 PM (oGNNA)
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Are we then to discount the oral tradition? Seriously
Of course not. Buddhism relies on an oral tradition passed down for centuries before it was written. And Paul was writing letters hectoring various churches within one lifetime after Jesus.
I was just responding to a poster who said that we should tell Islamists that there isn't a good provenance for their prime religious document.
Of course not. Buddhism relies on an oral tradition passed down for centuries before it was written. And Paul was writing letters hectoring various churches within one lifetime after Jesus.
I was just responding to a poster who said that we should tell Islamists that there isn't a good provenance for their prime religious document.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:56 PM (fuK7c)
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Our response to 9/11 should have been a non stop barrage of bombs falling on every capital in the middle east, except Tel Aviv. Like for 3 weeks straight.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at May 26, 2019 02:56 PM (tayRE)
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Our response to 9/11 was a pitiful reaction engineered by a large gang of domestic enemies. OBL's family was safely removed from the country in the days following that act of war, for reasons that have never been explained. Then we were told that islam is a "religion of peace" when it is neither a religion (somebody needs to point to any part of it that exhorts its adherents to become a better person, because I haven't found it) nor is it peaceful (as the thousands of documented acts of muslim terrorism over the past few decades will prove). The people in charge succumbed to political correctness and attempted to prove that we weren't discriminating against muslims, thereby proving themselves unfit for office. Instead of increased scrutiny of muslims as normal people would have done in the past, since the perpetrators of the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts are muslim males between the ages of 18 and 40, the rest of us were forced to submit to unnecessary and ridiculous rules in order to "keep us safe."
Then Progressives added a new layer of government whose sole purpose was to destroy our Constitution. Suddenly, we innocents were the objects of needlessly expensive and intrusive surveillance for no reason. We were treated like the enemy instead of the muslims who actually were and are. Illegal secret courts without accountability were established and we're just now seeing the real reasons they were made: to spy on innocent Americans.
We were forced to have our nail clippers confiscated before we could fly, if you need an example of just a small bit of the idiocy that came in the name of "national security" in the wake of 9/11. There are rules and regulations that make no sense whatsoever in our airports.
islam should have been outlawed on 9/12/2001.
Then Progressives added a new layer of government whose sole purpose was to destroy our Constitution. Suddenly, we innocents were the objects of needlessly expensive and intrusive surveillance for no reason. We were treated like the enemy instead of the muslims who actually were and are. Illegal secret courts without accountability were established and we're just now seeing the real reasons they were made: to spy on innocent Americans.
We were forced to have our nail clippers confiscated before we could fly, if you need an example of just a small bit of the idiocy that came in the name of "national security" in the wake of 9/11. There are rules and regulations that make no sense whatsoever in our airports.
islam should have been outlawed on 9/12/2001.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 26, 2019 02:56 PM (HaL55)
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what should our response to 9/11 have been, then?
Posted by: Zoomie at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (H7+oG)
That is a very good question, and one that I cannot answer with any degree of confidence.
Posted by: Zoomie at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (H7+oG)
That is a very good question, and one that I cannot answer with any degree of confidence.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 02:57 PM (wYseH)
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So we sent our reprisals to Afghanistan and Iraq.
We sure showed them.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2019 02:45 PM (cXV7n)
Democracies can only do so much in war. Actually any type of government can only do so much, including the commies. You have to have an objective that can be obtained in totality before the population checks out.
People think the CSA could not have won the Civil War, that US victory was inevitable, but that makes no sense at all We have seen over and over that when the population checks out, the war is over. If the US populace said the Civil War is no longer worth it, then the CSA would have won.
We saw this in Vietnam, we saw it in Iraq too. Once you lose the popular will, it is over. This is why I doubt we as nation could win a World War 2. I don't doubt the troops but the populace. We would waver at a tenth of the setbacks suffered in WW2. But WW2 had a reasonable objective, total victory. I am sure the guys that planned the post 9/11 wars thought they had a reasonable objective, but they didn't.
We sure showed them.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 26, 2019 02:45 PM (cXV7n)
Democracies can only do so much in war. Actually any type of government can only do so much, including the commies. You have to have an objective that can be obtained in totality before the population checks out.
People think the CSA could not have won the Civil War, that US victory was inevitable, but that makes no sense at all We have seen over and over that when the population checks out, the war is over. If the US populace said the Civil War is no longer worth it, then the CSA would have won.
We saw this in Vietnam, we saw it in Iraq too. Once you lose the popular will, it is over. This is why I doubt we as nation could win a World War 2. I don't doubt the troops but the populace. We would waver at a tenth of the setbacks suffered in WW2. But WW2 had a reasonable objective, total victory. I am sure the guys that planned the post 9/11 wars thought they had a reasonable objective, but they didn't.
Posted by: Quint at May 26, 2019 02:57 PM (n13/j)
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Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:56 PM (fuK7c)
Actually he didn't "hector" all of them and there were major issues going on in the churches with theology and practice which he needed to address
Actually he didn't "hector" all of them and there were major issues going on in the churches with theology and practice which he needed to address
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 26, 2019 02:57 PM (ahS0B)
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Should we assist our allies with logistical support?
When did we get allies? I missed that.
Unless you mean the countries that are right there whenever they need us.
When did we get allies? I missed that.
Unless you mean the countries that are right there whenever they need us.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 02:58 PM (if8r4)
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what should our response to 9/11 have been, then?
Posted by: Zoomie at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (H7+oG)
That is a very good question, and one that I cannot answer with any degree of confidence.
One of strength.
Posted by: Zoomie at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (H7+oG)
That is a very good question, and one that I cannot answer with any degree of confidence.
One of strength.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 26, 2019 02:59 PM (HaL55)
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Allies? Well, Hawaii used to be on our side.
Posted by: Burger Chef at May 26, 2019 02:59 PM (RuIsu)
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We needed Trump in the WH on 9/11. Hell I'd take FDR or JFK.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at May 26, 2019 02:59 PM (tayRE)
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Force the House of Saud to turn over every fucking jihadi funder to the US
The House of Saud exists to keep existing. Saudis do not have jobs. They use oil money to hire Paki slaves to do work.
All of the workless Saudis spend all of their time getting riled up about Islam. The House of Saud buys off the mullahs by funding Madrassas across the world. It's the cesspools like Indonesia that are producing the next round of enemies.
Any oil that doesn't come out of Texas or North Dakota funds the creation of our enemies. But they're not in one place, we can't just bomb one country.
The House of Saud exists to keep existing. Saudis do not have jobs. They use oil money to hire Paki slaves to do work.
All of the workless Saudis spend all of their time getting riled up about Islam. The House of Saud buys off the mullahs by funding Madrassas across the world. It's the cesspools like Indonesia that are producing the next round of enemies.
Any oil that doesn't come out of Texas or North Dakota funds the creation of our enemies. But they're not in one place, we can't just bomb one country.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 03:00 PM (fuK7c)
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...(yeah, I am being harsh. But I am sick to death of the media painting them as martyrs and sympathetic victims. They aren't.)
I'd mentioned the idea of a swift and efficient courts system, for after the Burning Times.
Most of "The Press" would be subject to those courts, for sedition at the very least.
Quite frankly, the commentariat at this here Ace of Spades would serve quite well as the foundation for a New and Improved American Media.
And, we're damn near everywhere, already.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
I'd mentioned the idea of a swift and efficient courts system, for after the Burning Times.
Most of "The Press" would be subject to those courts, for sedition at the very least.
Quite frankly, the commentariat at this here Ace of Spades would serve quite well as the foundation for a New and Improved American Media.
And, we're damn near everywhere, already.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 26, 2019 03:00 PM (QzJWU)
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You're late to the party, I think, CBD. I can't speak from experience about Korea, except to note that it was a UN effort and didn't end in victory. Vietnam, however, displayed all the faults you noted in your post.
The US had the capability to completely destroy the infrastructure of N. Vietnam...water, power, food, military. Instead, we had the fricking SoD having to sign off on whether our forces could engage at the squad level.
Plenty of cynically conceived reasons why our "fighting" doctrine might have devolved how it has. Most of them are probably correct. But I'm with you all the way on "Win or Stay Home."
The US had the capability to completely destroy the infrastructure of N. Vietnam...water, power, food, military. Instead, we had the fricking SoD having to sign off on whether our forces could engage at the squad level.
Plenty of cynically conceived reasons why our "fighting" doctrine might have devolved how it has. Most of them are probably correct. But I'm with you all the way on "Win or Stay Home."
Posted by: The Eponymous Hugh Tootooie at May 26, 2019 03:00 PM (hu22E)
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I get so angry when some political fuckwad says " We cannot achieve a military solution without a political/diplomatic one"
Those asshats have ceased allowing an overwhelming military victory that would make diplomacy a cake walk.
Those asshats have ceased allowing an overwhelming military victory that would make diplomacy a cake walk.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2019 03:01 PM (9lMEW)
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Test?
Posted by: t-dubya-d at May 26, 2019 03:01 PM (RZWC0)
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This is why I doubt we as nation could win a World War 2. I don't doubt
the troops but the populace. We would waver at a tenth of the setbacks
suffered in WW2. But WW2 had a reasonable objective, total victory.
There was no shortage of people in WWII who would have settled for much less than total victory. In particular, the leadership was worried about a post-Okinawa lack of enthusiasm for the invasion of Japan, and of course, we allowed Hirohito to remain as a figurehead. As per Paul Fussell, thank God for the atomic bomb.
the troops but the populace. We would waver at a tenth of the setbacks
suffered in WW2. But WW2 had a reasonable objective, total victory.
There was no shortage of people in WWII who would have settled for much less than total victory. In particular, the leadership was worried about a post-Okinawa lack of enthusiasm for the invasion of Japan, and of course, we allowed Hirohito to remain as a figurehead. As per Paul Fussell, thank God for the atomic bomb.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (T6t7i)
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81
SoD?
SoD?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (AZxMX)
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tits?
Posted by: tits at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (hu22E)
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revamping the nuke weapon industrial base actually needs more resources,
I think nukes are white elephants, expensive and too destructive to use.
Under what conditions would you use nuclear weapons in today's conditions?
I think nukes are white elephants, expensive and too destructive to use.
Under what conditions would you use nuclear weapons in today's conditions?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (if8r4)
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SoD = Secretary of Defense.
Posted by: The Eponymous Hugh Tootooie at May 26, 2019 03:03 PM (hu22E)
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Viet Nam was a proxy war with China and the Soviet Union.
Posted by: Burger Chef at May 26, 2019 03:03 PM (RuIsu)
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I get so angry when some political fuckwad says " We cannot achieve a military solution without a political/diplomatic one"
You remember when we negotiated a diplomatic agreement with Adolf, right?
You remember when we negotiated a diplomatic agreement with Adolf, right?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:03 PM (if8r4)
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Roll the clock back to an earlier time than 9/11 because that did not happen in a vacuum.
What if the first WTC bombing had not been treated as a simple police matter?
What if the Clinton administration had acted to capture Usama bint Bedliner?
How would have things been different?
What if the first WTC bombing had not been treated as a simple police matter?
What if the Clinton administration had acted to capture Usama bint Bedliner?
How would have things been different?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2019 03:04 PM (dzYrt)
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Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2019 02:55 PM (QDnY+)
The short version of your comment is, "you are wrong, but I can't articulate why."
The short version of your comment is, "you are wrong, but I can't articulate why."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:04 PM (wYseH)
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This is why I doubt we as nation could win a World War 2. I don't doubt
the troops but the populace. We would waver at a tenth of the setbacks
suffered in WW2. But WW2 had a reasonable objective, total victory.
There
was no shortage of people in WWII who would have settled for much less
than total victory. In particular, the leadership was worried about a
post-Okinawa lack of enthusiasm for the invasion of Japan, and of
course, we allowed Hirohito to remain as a figurehead. As per Paul
Fussell, thank God for the atomic bomb.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (T6t7i)
there is always politics for sure.
the troops but the populace. We would waver at a tenth of the setbacks
suffered in WW2. But WW2 had a reasonable objective, total victory.
There
was no shortage of people in WWII who would have settled for much less
than total victory. In particular, the leadership was worried about a
post-Okinawa lack of enthusiasm for the invasion of Japan, and of
course, we allowed Hirohito to remain as a figurehead. As per Paul
Fussell, thank God for the atomic bomb.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (T6t7i)
there is always politics for sure.
Posted by: Quint at May 26, 2019 03:06 PM (n13/j)
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Under what conditions would you use nuclear weapons in today's conditions?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (if8r4)
At the very least, they should be available in reserve when, not if, the US is attacked with a nuke!
But there are many applications of large quantities of HE that tend to raise awareness, especially in survivors!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (if8r4)
At the very least, they should be available in reserve when, not if, the US is attacked with a nuke!
But there are many applications of large quantities of HE that tend to raise awareness, especially in survivors!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 03:06 PM (AZxMX)
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cspan3 is doing something on D-Day right now.
Posted by: Quint at May 26, 2019 03:07 PM (n13/j)
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The US had the capability to completely destroy the infrastructure of N. Vietnam...water, power, food, military.
Which should have been the goal of the first month's fighting or so. Round the clock bombing of everything down to the last shithouse in North Vietnam, before they had a chance to beef up their air defenses.
Which should have been the goal of the first month's fighting or so. Round the clock bombing of everything down to the last shithouse in North Vietnam, before they had a chance to beef up their air defenses.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:07 PM (if8r4)
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Deplorable Jay, too bad we didn't put that same diplomacy on Saddam the first time we were there.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2019 03:07 PM (9lMEW)
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The short version of your comment is, "you are wrong, but I can't articulate why."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
It's sort of like "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here."
The short version of your comment is, "you are wrong, but I can't articulate why."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
It's sort of like "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2019 03:07 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 03:08 PM (AZxMX)
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so let's skip the inaccurate and context-free gibberish, and get down to
budgets. surely today's DOD budget is an appalling deficit booster that
cannot be justified with "partial isolationist" strategery?
=====
Practical wishes.
I want at least two new icebreakers.
I want ongoing lower tech air support, etc. We all know, ruefully, that hi-tek is not always better. For our own services, I want protections for the troops, which would most likely involve lo-tek air and sea support.
I want ROEs that if we are sent in to acknowledge the main purpose of troops: winning.
budgets. surely today's DOD budget is an appalling deficit booster that
cannot be justified with "partial isolationist" strategery?
=====
Practical wishes.
I want at least two new icebreakers.
I want ongoing lower tech air support, etc. We all know, ruefully, that hi-tek is not always better. For our own services, I want protections for the troops, which would most likely involve lo-tek air and sea support.
I want ROEs that if we are sent in to acknowledge the main purpose of troops: winning.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 26, 2019 03:08 PM (MIKMs)
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Yah, SecDef is better. Didn't come to mind.
Posted by: The Eponymous Hugh Tootooie at May 26, 2019 03:09 PM (hu22E)
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Under what conditions would you use nuclear weapons in today's conditions?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (if8r4)
Against the Chinese navy. Against the Pakistanis in retaliation for their first use. To destroy the underground Iranian nuclear facilities.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:02 PM (if8r4)
Against the Chinese navy. Against the Pakistanis in retaliation for their first use. To destroy the underground Iranian nuclear facilities.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:09 PM (wYseH)
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At the very least, they should be available in reserve when, not if, the US is attacked with a nuke!
But there are many applications of large quantities of HE that tend to raise awareness, especially in survivors!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 03:06 PM (AZxMX)
Agreed. We need a nuclear retaliatory capability, but that's about the only scenario of which I can conceive in which we might actually use the damned things.
And nowadays, the most likely source of a nuclear attack would not be a nation-state, but rather a ragtag bunch of feral wogs who'd acquired a nuke from a nation-state that would deny any involvement.
But there are many applications of large quantities of HE that tend to raise awareness, especially in survivors!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 03:06 PM (AZxMX)
Agreed. We need a nuclear retaliatory capability, but that's about the only scenario of which I can conceive in which we might actually use the damned things.
And nowadays, the most likely source of a nuclear attack would not be a nation-state, but rather a ragtag bunch of feral wogs who'd acquired a nuke from a nation-state that would deny any involvement.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:09 PM (if8r4)
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I get so angry when some political fuckwad says " We cannot achieve a military solution without a political/diplomatic one"
You remember when we negotiated a diplomatic agreement with Adolf, right?
-
Victor Davis Hanson in his book The Second World Wars says the problem with WWI was not the punitive nature of Versailles but rather that we didn't settle their hash completely.
You remember when we negotiated a diplomatic agreement with Adolf, right?
-
Victor Davis Hanson in his book The Second World Wars says the problem with WWI was not the punitive nature of Versailles but rather that we didn't settle their hash completely.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 26, 2019 03:10 PM (+y/Ru)
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If President Johnson had done in 1965 what Nixon did later with the mining of Hanoi and Haiphong harbors, Saigon would still be Saigon and there would a Chik-fil-A in Hanoi.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2019 03:10 PM (dzYrt)
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It's sort of like "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2019 03:07 PM (aKsyK)
While we allow virtually unlimited muz immigration and a mosque in every county...
Because we're nice guys and they're thr RoP!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2019 03:07 PM (aKsyK)
While we allow virtually unlimited muz immigration and a mosque in every county...
Because we're nice guys and they're thr RoP!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 03:10 PM (AZxMX)
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Or, as the Donks would say: We have to not fight them over there, so we don't have to not fight them over here. Perfect.
Posted by: Burger Chef at May 26, 2019 03:11 PM (RuIsu)
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The House of Saud buys off the mullahs by funding Madrassas across the world.
Those things should be illegal and every one of them here should be closed. If you want sharia, go live in one of the 50-plus countries that have that form of oppression. That shit should not be allowed on our soil for any reason. And if you need a justification, recall that muzzie congressbint's support for the radical madrassa that vowed to overthrow American and install sharia?
islam is a clear and present danger to us. Their self-stated goal is to turn us into a muslim country. That is called "sedition" and needs to be enforced vigorously.
Those things should be illegal and every one of them here should be closed. If you want sharia, go live in one of the 50-plus countries that have that form of oppression. That shit should not be allowed on our soil for any reason. And if you need a justification, recall that muzzie congressbint's support for the radical madrassa that vowed to overthrow American and install sharia?
islam is a clear and present danger to us. Their self-stated goal is to turn us into a muslim country. That is called "sedition" and needs to be enforced vigorously.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 26, 2019 03:11 PM (HaL55)
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Roll the clock back to an earlier time than 9/11 because that did not happen in a vacuum.
What if the first WTC bombing had not been treated as a simple police matter?
What if the Clinton administration had acted to capture Usama bint Bedliner?
How would have things been different?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2019 03:04 PM (dzYrt)
I was with my mom when we say that live. I never liked Clinton, but the response to that was appalling. I think that was when I first started hating ALL politicians.
What if the first WTC bombing had not been treated as a simple police matter?
What if the Clinton administration had acted to capture Usama bint Bedliner?
How would have things been different?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2019 03:04 PM (dzYrt)
I was with my mom when we say that live. I never liked Clinton, but the response to that was appalling. I think that was when I first started hating ALL politicians.
Posted by: Infidel at May 26, 2019 03:11 PM (xzK3J)
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Against the Chinese navy. Against the Pakistanis in retaliation for their first use. To destroy the underground Iranian nuclear facilities.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:09 PM (wYseH)
I can see nailing the Pakis for first use, but their first use would probably be against India, which would take care of that problem.
Chinese navy? Nah, not in a first use, IMO.
Iranian nuclear facilities? Same thing. Much better to foment an uprising in Iran.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:09 PM (wYseH)
I can see nailing the Pakis for first use, but their first use would probably be against India, which would take care of that problem.
Chinese navy? Nah, not in a first use, IMO.
Iranian nuclear facilities? Same thing. Much better to foment an uprising in Iran.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:11 PM (if8r4)
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Saigon would still be Saigon and there would a Chik-fil-A in Hanoi.
There will be a Chik-fil-A in Hanoi. We won by other means. VietNam is getting rich and rich people want good shit.
Poor people can be distracted with ideology. China is going to run into this problem soon.
There will be a Chik-fil-A in Hanoi. We won by other means. VietNam is getting rich and rich people want good shit.
Poor people can be distracted with ideology. China is going to run into this problem soon.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 03:12 PM (fuK7c)
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Pop Quiz?
Posted by: t-dubya-d at May 26, 2019 03:12 PM (RZWC0)
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tits it is
Posted by: eleven at May 26, 2019 03:12 PM (tH5fk)
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What if the first WTC bombing had not been treated as a simple police matter?
For some reason - hating America leaps to mind - liberals/ leftists/ progressives/ whatevers insist on treating terrorism as a police matter, rather than as a military matter.
For some reason - hating America leaps to mind - liberals/ leftists/ progressives/ whatevers insist on treating terrorism as a police matter, rather than as a military matter.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:13 PM (if8r4)
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Hissy fits at the track.
Posted by: Burger Chef at May 26, 2019 03:13 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2019 03:13 PM (AZxMX)
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Iranian nuclear facilities? Same thing. Much better to foment an uprising in Iran.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:11 PM (if8r4)
The worst case scenario in Iran is that they are months away from being able to assemble a few nuclear devices. Long before any domestic uprising is successful, they will be able to use their nuclear weapons.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:11 PM (if8r4)
The worst case scenario in Iran is that they are months away from being able to assemble a few nuclear devices. Long before any domestic uprising is successful, they will be able to use their nuclear weapons.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:14 PM (wYseH)
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And if you need a justification, recall that muzzie congressbint's support for the radical madrassa that vowed to overthrow American and install sharia?
When is it that we stopped prosecuting people for advocating the violent overthrow of the American government?
When is it that we stopped prosecuting people for advocating the violent overthrow of the American government?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:14 PM (if8r4)
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86 Since your handle has the title "tits" you couldn't show people your own?
But here are a magnificent pair of tits:
https://tinyurl.com/y5qpxxsl
But here are a magnificent pair of tits:
https://tinyurl.com/y5qpxxsl
Posted by: Time for Boobwatch at May 26, 2019 03:14 PM (ahS0B)
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As Insty often remarks about lefties, "They're not anti-war. They're just on the other side."
Posted by: The Eponymous Hugh Tootooie at May 26, 2019 03:15 PM (hu22E)
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I agree, CBD. I got so excited about "Shock & Awe" and instead we ended up abusing our soldiers by making them build schools. We showed we truly were the Paper Tiger.
Posted by: abbynormal at May 26, 2019 03:15 PM (h5Lyp)
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But here are a magnificent pair of tits:
https://tinyurl.com/y5qpxxsl
Posted by: Time for Boobwatch
Adorable tits.
https://tinyurl.com/y5qpxxsl
Posted by: Time for Boobwatch
Adorable tits.
Posted by: eleven at May 26, 2019 03:16 PM (tH5fk)
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so what is a good argument for talking muslims out of their barbaric death cult?
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Easier to convert all the homos.
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Easier to convert all the homos.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 26, 2019 03:16 PM (+y/Ru)
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The worst case scenario in Iran is that they are months away from being able to assemble a few nuclear devices. Long before any domestic uprising is successful, they will be able to use their nuclear weapons.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:14 PM (wYseH)
I see your point, but I don't see engaging in first use, for practically any conceivable reason.
If the Israelis want to do it, fine, and I'd support them. But our doing it would engender an epic shit storm of opposition in this country, perhaps enough to put paid to the American experiment.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:14 PM (wYseH)
I see your point, but I don't see engaging in first use, for practically any conceivable reason.
If the Israelis want to do it, fine, and I'd support them. But our doing it would engender an epic shit storm of opposition in this country, perhaps enough to put paid to the American experiment.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:16 PM (if8r4)
Posted by: tits at May 26, 2019 03:17 PM (hu22E)
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When things went from warfare to lawfare decisive outcomes became impossible.
Look at the things the IDF has to go through to justify and prove every action they take.
Look at the things the IDF has to go through to justify and prove every action they take.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2019 03:17 PM (9lMEW)
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Entering a war for whatever reason should entail the goal of total victory.
There are 2 tasks that MUST be accomplished.
One is to destroy the enemy's capability to wage war in any form.
The other is to break the will of the enemy to wage war in any form.
This is accomplished by a combination of strategy, logistics and tactics.
Failure in any of the above results in situations such as we face today.
Entering a war for whatever reason should entail the goal of total victory.
There are 2 tasks that MUST be accomplished.
One is to destroy the enemy's capability to wage war in any form.
The other is to break the will of the enemy to wage war in any form.
This is accomplished by a combination of strategy, logistics and tactics.
Failure in any of the above results in situations such as we face today.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2019 03:17 PM (KATBx)
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Posted by: abbynormal at May 26, 2019 03:15 PM (h5Lyp)
Yup. I was completely fooled by President Bush and by the carefully constructed narrative that we were going to take care of business. I should have been much more wary of our politicians.
Yup. I was completely fooled by President Bush and by the carefully constructed narrative that we were going to take care of business. I should have been much more wary of our politicians.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:17 PM (wYseH)
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For some reason - hating America leaps to mind - liberals/ leftists/ progressives/ whatevers insist on treating terrorism as a police matter, rather than as a military matter.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
I was listening to npr right after 9/11 and they were interviewing a lawyer who said he had been involved with the Nuremberg trials. He argued that we should not invade other countries to get the terrorists but instead send law enforcement to bring them to trial as was done with war criminals.
For some reason - hating America leaps to mind - liberals/ leftists/ progressives/ whatevers insist on treating terrorism as a police matter, rather than as a military matter.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
I was listening to npr right after 9/11 and they were interviewing a lawyer who said he had been involved with the Nuremberg trials. He argued that we should not invade other countries to get the terrorists but instead send law enforcement to bring them to trial as was done with war criminals.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2019 03:18 PM (aKsyK)
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Break the collective will of a suicide cult?
Posted by: Burger Chef at May 26, 2019 03:19 PM (RuIsu)
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Rubble don't make trouble.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 26, 2019 03:19 PM (AfI0L)
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Yup. I was completely fooled by President Bush and by the carefully constructed narrative that we were going to take care of business. I should have been much more wary of our politicians.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
The masks were all still on back then.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
The masks were all still on back then.
Posted by: eleven at May 26, 2019 03:19 PM (tH5fk)
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When is it that we stopped prosecuting people for advocating the violent overthrow of the American government?
When did we start? Bill Ayers is guilty as hell and free as a bird, as he gleefully reminds us.
Why hasn't that madrassa been shut down and the people who run it arrested? Why do we allow that here?
When did we start? Bill Ayers is guilty as hell and free as a bird, as he gleefully reminds us.
Why hasn't that madrassa been shut down and the people who run it arrested? Why do we allow that here?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 26, 2019 03:19 PM (HaL55)
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It isn't the method its the will. If you commit troops use the four horsemen to their full effect. Never go to war unless your vital interests are at risk. Never fight for other than those vital national interests. If you must fight its either you or them. No other restrictions, rules, limits.
You fight at the level the enemy dictates, not some ivory tower construct. And once war has been declared, anyone who aids the enemy by protesting that effort should be treated as the enemy agent they are.
Otherwise do not go to war.
You fight at the level the enemy dictates, not some ivory tower construct. And once war has been declared, anyone who aids the enemy by protesting that effort should be treated as the enemy agent they are.
Otherwise do not go to war.
Posted by: I am not corey Booker at May 26, 2019 03:19 PM (nRj4F)
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perhaps enough to put paid to the American experiment.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:16 PM (if8r4)
I hope you are wrong, but I think you are correct.
The alternative however, is possibly risking a first strike on United States. That is obviously unacceptable.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:16 PM (if8r4)
I hope you are wrong, but I think you are correct.
The alternative however, is possibly risking a first strike on United States. That is obviously unacceptable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:20 PM (wYseH)
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irongrampa- I'm with you 100%.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2019 03:21 PM (9lMEW)
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No, CBD, not even close. More like "most of your premises are stupid, but it's boring for everyone, and invidious WRT to the general vibe here, to ridicule them in detail".
"determined to kill them all and rebuild them better than ever, with no
thought of how that would be done, or if it could be done at all"
No. Kill the ones that obviously needed killing, and both eliminate or intimidate those who were the most likely force-mulitipliers or enablers [states] for the global terrorist bigs. Which was done.
We didn't nuke Japan to give women the vote, and we didn't knock off the Ba'athists in Iraq primarily to prevent more mass graves or help the Kurds. We eliminated [very different, cuz totally different historical context] intolerable, uncontainable adversaries [in context]. What came after was entirely separate - only common thread was to exploit the success and do what was feasible to not allow said adversary to resume their former role.
And speaking of what came after, this tired but treasured myth that it's "the politicians" alone who screw things up is esp. silly WRT Iraq.
Boring already - I warned you. And I'm leaving out 75% of the pertinent facts for brevity as it is.
Meh. The past [mythologized and misunderstood as it is] is past. Let's talk now, let's talk force structure and budgets.
"determined to kill them all and rebuild them better than ever, with no
thought of how that would be done, or if it could be done at all"
No. Kill the ones that obviously needed killing, and both eliminate or intimidate those who were the most likely force-mulitipliers or enablers [states] for the global terrorist bigs. Which was done.
We didn't nuke Japan to give women the vote, and we didn't knock off the Ba'athists in Iraq primarily to prevent more mass graves or help the Kurds. We eliminated [very different, cuz totally different historical context] intolerable, uncontainable adversaries [in context]. What came after was entirely separate - only common thread was to exploit the success and do what was feasible to not allow said adversary to resume their former role.
And speaking of what came after, this tired but treasured myth that it's "the politicians" alone who screw things up is esp. silly WRT Iraq.
Boring already - I warned you. And I'm leaving out 75% of the pertinent facts for brevity as it is.
Meh. The past [mythologized and misunderstood as it is] is past. Let's talk now, let's talk force structure and budgets.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2019 03:21 PM (QDnY+)
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He argued that we should not invade other countries to get the terrorists but instead send law enforcement to bring them to trial as was done with war criminals.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2019 03:18 PM (aKsyK)
Which was done AFTER we'd invaded other countries.
Yet another reason to get rid of NPR, if any were needed.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2019 03:18 PM (aKsyK)
Which was done AFTER we'd invaded other countries.
Yet another reason to get rid of NPR, if any were needed.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 26, 2019 03:21 PM (if8r4)
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And another thing, I'm tired of our so called allies too. Pull your weight or get fucked and if we catch you supporting our enemies behind our backs then utter trade embargo.
On a better note I'm taking the grandkids to buy our VFW poppies later today.
On a better note I'm taking the grandkids to buy our VFW poppies later today.
Posted by: Beartooth at May 26, 2019 03:22 PM (5q9y4)
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I like boobie watch better!
Posted by: t-dubya-d at May 26, 2019 03:22 PM (RZWC0)
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Only invade countries with hot women and cold beer. Destroy all other countries.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 26, 2019 03:22 PM (vV/gB)
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Break the collective will of a suicide cult?
Posted by: Burger Chef at May 26, 2019 03:19 PM (RuIsu)
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I don't see how. When mommy passes out candy in celebration of son blowing himself up and everyone around him, I think their belief system is pretty well entrenched.
Break the collective will of a suicide cult?
Posted by: Burger Chef at May 26, 2019 03:19 PM (RuIsu)
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I don't see how. When mommy passes out candy in celebration of son blowing himself up and everyone around him, I think their belief system is pretty well entrenched.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 26, 2019 03:23 PM (EjlXc)
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Weird. Only 3 of my last 5 comments have shown up.
Posted by: t-dubya-d at May 26, 2019 03:23 PM (RZWC0)
Posted by: Time for Boobwatch at May 26, 2019 03:24 PM (ahS0B)
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imo we need the strong military, but the wins can occur without war. Pompeo laid much out ... we are recognizing real threats, instead of ignoring them.
We are beginning to cut off China, developing better relations with liberty minded nations, pushing Europe toward self support, confronting Germany on their friendship with Russian NatGas, May is going byebye, sovereign nation candidates are rising ...
imo even parts of WallStreet are getting the message, seeing China as a threat ... after taking the easy money. We must have the military ready, but not for nation building, using our own resources. More as a counter to commie aggression via their own military threats. We need to win via Trump promoting global nation state sovereignty, not a new world order.
THAT is the fight, really ... against the globalists that have been fleecing us. They are the ones funding the domestic war against Trump.
We are beginning to cut off China, developing better relations with liberty minded nations, pushing Europe toward self support, confronting Germany on their friendship with Russian NatGas, May is going byebye, sovereign nation candidates are rising ...
imo even parts of WallStreet are getting the message, seeing China as a threat ... after taking the easy money. We must have the military ready, but not for nation building, using our own resources. More as a counter to commie aggression via their own military threats. We need to win via Trump promoting global nation state sovereignty, not a new world order.
THAT is the fight, really ... against the globalists that have been fleecing us. They are the ones funding the domestic war against Trump.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 26, 2019 03:24 PM (Cus5s)
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Weird. Only 3 of my last 5 comments have shown up.
Your content has been found to be lacking. Step up your game.
Your content has been found to be lacking. Step up your game.
Posted by: AoSHQ Comment Evaluation Bot at May 26, 2019 03:25 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: eleven at May 26, 2019 03:25 PM (tH5fk)
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Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2019 03:21 PM (QDnY+)
Pretty cool. You misinterpreted what I wrote and are now criticizing me for what you imagined I said.
And with a rude and snarky tone to boot.
Pretty cool. You misinterpreted what I wrote and are now criticizing me for what you imagined I said.
And with a rude and snarky tone to boot.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:26 PM (wYseH)
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You're welcome!
Posted by: Bob from the NSA at May 26, 2019 03:27 PM (+y/Ru)
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#144. Yeah, but blue feet are kind of a turn off. Kinda like blue hair!
Posted by: t-dubya-d at May 26, 2019 03:27 PM (RZWC0)
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But these hooters are the best:
https://tinyurl.com/y522cbnz
And with that I shall end posting possibly NSFW pictures of tits, boobies and hooters.
https://tinyurl.com/y522cbnz
And with that I shall end posting possibly NSFW pictures of tits, boobies and hooters.
Posted by: Time for Boobwatch at May 26, 2019 03:27 PM (ahS0B)
Posted by: Bob from the NSA at May 26, 2019 03:28 PM (+y/Ru)
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We currently have US Military of some type in 150 Nations.
There are only 191 Countries in the world.
There are only 191 Countries in the world.
Posted by: Don Q at May 26, 2019 03:28 PM (NgKpN)
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Posted by: t-dubya-d at May 26, 2019 03:27 PM (RZWC0)
Pixy sometimes deletes short comments, especially if they have links in them.
Pixy sometimes deletes short comments, especially if they have links in them.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:29 PM (wYseH)
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143 Weird. Only 3 of my last 5 comments have shown up.
Posted by: t-dubya-d at May 26, 2019 03:23 PM (RZWC0)
Sounds normal to me!
Posted by: t-dubya-d at May 26, 2019 03:23 PM (RZWC0)
Sounds normal to me!
Posted by: Facebook at May 26, 2019 03:29 PM (NgKpN)
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Alright. Off to the lake. Thanks for the tutoring on my test!
Posted by: t-dubya-d at May 26, 2019 03:30 PM (RZWC0)
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Well, to be fair, Islam is only an existential threat now because "we" decided to ship hundreds of thousands of muslims to our country to show the muslim world we had no hard feelings for 9/11.
This is actually another of the "fairness' to our enemies and decreasing our advantage in war that the globalist crowd are so fond of.
Remember Obama's ROE that 'equalized" the possibility of death for our soldiers.
Bringing muslims of military age to our country is part of the same play.
It's hardly a surprise that this brilliant idea started under W and was accelerated to existing threat mode with Oblabla.
I guess we'll see if they were successful in neutralizing US will and war power with the upcoming conflict with Iran as Iran seems to want one.
How many muslims now in the US will fight for "islam" over here?
Sad.
This is actually another of the "fairness' to our enemies and decreasing our advantage in war that the globalist crowd are so fond of.
Remember Obama's ROE that 'equalized" the possibility of death for our soldiers.
Bringing muslims of military age to our country is part of the same play.
It's hardly a surprise that this brilliant idea started under W and was accelerated to existing threat mode with Oblabla.
I guess we'll see if they were successful in neutralizing US will and war power with the upcoming conflict with Iran as Iran seems to want one.
How many muslims now in the US will fight for "islam" over here?
Sad.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 26, 2019 03:30 PM (9X624)
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2019 03:31 PM (KATBx)
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Growing up in late 40's/50's/60's South Carolina most guys like me had fathers who served in WW II and Korea. And though we got the proverbial 'letter' from LBJ, it never occurred to us to head north to Canada. My old Pappy Eromero went ashore on D-Day and it was expected of me to serve my country. But I served for my family first and America second, ended up doing a total of 22 years in uniform. Gave Uncle Sam a 'blank check' on my life and by the Grace of GOD, that check was never cashed. My prayers today are for the families of those who gave their lives for their country. We can never repay them. And some days I feel the enemy still won in spite of all those sacrifices.
Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2019 03:31 PM (qBNEP)
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"And on the way we lost sight of the "kill them all" part" Bingo!
Posted by: gp Sh!thole Surfer at May 26, 2019 03:31 PM (mk9aG)
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Weird. Only 3 of my last 5 comments have shown up.
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Didja see Hillzebub's alleged humor ridiculing Hasbro for not including "covfefe" in the list of approved Scrabble words?
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Didja see Hillzebub's alleged humor ridiculing Hasbro for not including "covfefe" in the list of approved Scrabble words?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 26, 2019 03:33 PM (+y/Ru)
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There are 2 tasks that MUST be accomplished.
One is to destroy the enemy's capability to wage war in any form.
The other is to break the will of the enemy to wage war in any form.
This is accomplished by a combination of strategy, logistics and tactics.
Failure in any of the above results in situations such as we face today.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2019 03:17 PM (KATBx)
It actually just breaks down to destroying their will to wage war.
Destroying their means to wage does that.
Until you break their desire for war, they will continue, even if only via Terrorism.
One is to destroy the enemy's capability to wage war in any form.
The other is to break the will of the enemy to wage war in any form.
This is accomplished by a combination of strategy, logistics and tactics.
Failure in any of the above results in situations such as we face today.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2019 03:17 PM (KATBx)
It actually just breaks down to destroying their will to wage war.
Destroying their means to wage does that.
Until you break their desire for war, they will continue, even if only via Terrorism.
Posted by: Don Q at May 26, 2019 03:33 PM (NgKpN)
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Eromero, that was beautiful.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2019 03:35 PM (9lMEW)
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I don't see how. When mommy passes out candy in celebration of son
blowing himself up and everyone around him, I think their belief system
is pretty well entrenched.
As we're seeing in our own cultural war that the Left is aggressively forcing upon us, people can be brainwashed into believing things that run counter to the popular culture. Why aren't we doing this sort of thing to islam by inserting muslim "activists" into their society to disrupt them and make them weaker?
Short of that, the best thing we can do for ourselves is to keep that oppressive death-cult out of our country and out of the minds of our children. That shit just breeds home-grown jihadis. We want that, why?
There is no reason why we should tolerate that here at home.
blowing himself up and everyone around him, I think their belief system
is pretty well entrenched.
As we're seeing in our own cultural war that the Left is aggressively forcing upon us, people can be brainwashed into believing things that run counter to the popular culture. Why aren't we doing this sort of thing to islam by inserting muslim "activists" into their society to disrupt them and make them weaker?
Short of that, the best thing we can do for ourselves is to keep that oppressive death-cult out of our country and out of the minds of our children. That shit just breeds home-grown jihadis. We want that, why?
There is no reason why we should tolerate that here at home.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 26, 2019 03:36 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Monte Cassino at May 26, 2019 03:37 PM (T6t7i)
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Whoa!
Posted by: Keanu at May 26, 2019 03:38 PM (fuK7c)
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"But it did change my mind, and the journey is mostly complete. The
current state of affairs in the world requires one of two responses from
America. We either enter conflicts with overwhelming force and a
clearly defined goal of winning, or we do not enter at all. The lives of
American servicemen are simply too valuable to use them in politically
calculated half measures."
Sorry but that's simply not going to happen anymore. The Military is being used as a diplomacy tool now, not as a military force.
Desert Storm was the last true use of Military force as it should be done, and it still came up short (didn't remove Saddam) due to political considerations.
And that is not going to change for the foreseeable future.
current state of affairs in the world requires one of two responses from
America. We either enter conflicts with overwhelming force and a
clearly defined goal of winning, or we do not enter at all. The lives of
American servicemen are simply too valuable to use them in politically
calculated half measures."
Sorry but that's simply not going to happen anymore. The Military is being used as a diplomacy tool now, not as a military force.
Desert Storm was the last true use of Military force as it should be done, and it still came up short (didn't remove Saddam) due to political considerations.
And that is not going to change for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 26, 2019 03:38 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 26, 2019 03:38 PM (HaL55)
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And some days I feel the enemy still won in spite of all those sacrifices.
Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2019 03:31 PM (qBNEP)
They haven't won yet.
Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2019 03:31 PM (qBNEP)
They haven't won yet.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:39 PM (wYseH)
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Well as long as 1 comment does it's probably on your end
But what do I know
But what do I know
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2019 03:39 PM (BbGew)
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I'm watching a German air war movie from 1957, The Star of Africa, and the captions at one point refer to escorting "Stuccos" and in another to a "Shtucke squadron".
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 26, 2019 03:39 PM (+y/Ru)
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My take is this:
I have seen in my lifetime the Democrats turn two "won" wars into defeat.
After 9/11, the senate took a vote about the upcoming war in Iraq. Kerry even demanded there be a second vote so that the Democrats could double-plus prove how staunch they were for war.
Almost immediately, the Democrats began to politicize the war. Remember Harry Reid stating flatly "This war is lost"? All for political advantage. They didn't care one whit about the fallout.
The Democrats cannot be trusted. Ever. And Americans, largely, do not have the stomach for protracted war. So either devastate quickly or find another plan.
I have seen in my lifetime the Democrats turn two "won" wars into defeat.
After 9/11, the senate took a vote about the upcoming war in Iraq. Kerry even demanded there be a second vote so that the Democrats could double-plus prove how staunch they were for war.
Almost immediately, the Democrats began to politicize the war. Remember Harry Reid stating flatly "This war is lost"? All for political advantage. They didn't care one whit about the fallout.
The Democrats cannot be trusted. Ever. And Americans, largely, do not have the stomach for protracted war. So either devastate quickly or find another plan.
Posted by: Blutarski at May 26, 2019 03:39 PM (+Tibp)
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Iran has approx 32 nuclear sites, runways, barracks, hangars, warehoused and exposed field equipment, energy generating plants, water sanitation plants, and various other targets of opportunity.
Give me forty eight hours and I will send Iran back to the middle of the nineteenth century with minimum civilian damage.
Give me forty eight hours and I will send Iran back to the middle of the nineteenth century with minimum civilian damage.
Posted by: General LeMay's geist at May 26, 2019 03:40 PM (K8bwI)
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I do think any kind of total war is getting to be frowned upon except by totalitarian regimes who could care less about popular opinion.
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2019 03:41 PM (BbGew)
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An energy independent America would be a good place to start.
Posted by: OldGrunt at May 26, 2019 03:41 PM (2BFQK)
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Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 26, 2019 03:38 PM (JUOKG)
You are probably correct, but I wrote about the ideal, not the current condition. I think that President Trump will follow more closely to what I hope for, and that is the best we will do.
You are probably correct, but I wrote about the ideal, not the current condition. I think that President Trump will follow more closely to what I hope for, and that is the best we will do.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2019 03:41 PM (wYseH)
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Give me forty eight hours and I will send Iran back to the middle of the nineteenth century with minimum civilian damage.
Posted by: General LeMay's geist
It would save time if we just obliterated the damn well. Let's see the imam crawl out of that.
Give me forty eight hours and I will send Iran back to the middle of the nineteenth century with minimum civilian damage.
Posted by: General LeMay's geist
It would save time if we just obliterated the damn well. Let's see the imam crawl out of that.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 03:42 PM (T6t7i)
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There will be a Chik-fil-A in Hanoi. We won by other means. VietNam is getting rich and rich people want good shit.
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True. DIL is an international marketing exec for Yum Brands (KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell). In the past two or three years, she has spent more time in Vietnam, and opened more stores, than almost anywhere else in the world.
https://pizzahut.talent.vn/
Chik-fil-a can't be far behind.
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True. DIL is an international marketing exec for Yum Brands (KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell). In the past two or three years, she has spent more time in Vietnam, and opened more stores, than almost anywhere else in the world.
https://pizzahut.talent.vn/
Chik-fil-a can't be far behind.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 26, 2019 03:42 PM (Y4EXg)
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AW - CC can be funny in it's interpretation.
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2019 03:42 PM (BbGew)
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An energy independent America would be a good place to start.
Posted by: OldGrunt
We're essentially there now.
An energy independent America would be a good place to start.
Posted by: OldGrunt
We're essentially there now.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 03:42 PM (T6t7i)
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How many muslims now in the US will fight for "islam" over here?
All of them.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN
"The Foreign Minister of Germany once said to me 'your country does not dare do anything against Germany, because we have in your country five hundred thousand Germans reservists [emigrants] who will rise in arms against your government if you dare to make a move against Germany.' Well, I told him that that might be so, but that we had five hundred thousand - and one - lamp posts in this country, and that that was where the reservists would be hanging the day after they tried to rise."
James W. Gerard, US Ambassador to Germany, 1913-1917
How many muslims now in the US will fight for "islam" over here?
All of them.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN
"The Foreign Minister of Germany once said to me 'your country does not dare do anything against Germany, because we have in your country five hundred thousand Germans reservists [emigrants] who will rise in arms against your government if you dare to make a move against Germany.' Well, I told him that that might be so, but that we had five hundred thousand - and one - lamp posts in this country, and that that was where the reservists would be hanging the day after they tried to rise."
James W. Gerard, US Ambassador to Germany, 1913-1917
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2019 03:43 PM (X3lUd)
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I can see PDT telling the Air Force to paint Diplomacy on every bunker busting bomb we have.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 26, 2019 03:43 PM (9lMEW)
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I have seen in my lifetime the Democrats turn two "won" wars into defeat.
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Confederate General Braxton Bragg was known as the man who could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and he was a Democrat.
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Confederate General Braxton Bragg was known as the man who could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and he was a Democrat.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 26, 2019 03:44 PM (+y/Ru)
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India is getting one of the Mexican restaurant food chains, maybe Taco Bell but not really sure.
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2019 03:44 PM (BbGew)
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India is getting one of the Mexican restaurant food chains, maybe Taco Bell but not really sure.
OMG, imagine the gastric distress.
India is getting one of the Mexican restaurant food chains, maybe Taco Bell but not really sure.
OMG, imagine the gastric distress.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 03:44 PM (T6t7i)
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I do think any kind of total war is getting to be frowned upon except by
totalitarian regimes who could care less about popular opinion.
I think the right sort of leadership with the clear justification and will to win could rally a great deal of support for a total war, IMHO. I certainly hope that never happens. Truth and the proper messaging would go a long way towards that, which means that the MFM would need to be dealt with.
totalitarian regimes who could care less about popular opinion.
I think the right sort of leadership with the clear justification and will to win could rally a great deal of support for a total war, IMHO. I certainly hope that never happens. Truth and the proper messaging would go a long way towards that, which means that the MFM would need to be dealt with.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 26, 2019 03:46 PM (HaL55)
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BackwardsBoy @ 164--The islam world order has a buttload of money and that money buys a buttload of influence. Influence that is like honey to politicians, our politicians. Those politicians who swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States, which makes them traitors and eligible for a smoke and a 9MM between the eyes. No blindfold. and come to think, no smoke neither. They are selling us out to islam savages.
Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2019 03:46 PM (qBNEP)
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wrong - it was less than 70 years, with a low estimate of around 35-40 years after Jesus died (Gospel of Mark)
wrong - it was less than 70 years, with a low estimate of around 35-40 years after Jesus died (Gospel of Mark)
Posted by: Big Star at May 26, 2019 03:47 PM (nb8+g)
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I recall reading about an incident in the early days of the Afghanistan war. They had just figured out how to mount Hellfire missiles on Predator drones in a crash program, and the fact of armed drones was brand new.
A large group of senior Taliban chieftains had been tracked to a meeting in a small building. It was tine sensitive information. The drone operators, Air Force or CIA, I forget, wanted permission to destroy the building with Hellfires. A protracted argument with military lawyers followed, and all they would agree to in the end was firing missiles into the parking lot to destroy the Taliban vehicles. Vandalism rather than decapitating the enemy leadership.
Later, of course, the comfort level with drone strikes increased. During the Obama administration, drone assassinations were conducted with abandon and notable lack of concern for civilian deaths.
A large group of senior Taliban chieftains had been tracked to a meeting in a small building. It was tine sensitive information. The drone operators, Air Force or CIA, I forget, wanted permission to destroy the building with Hellfires. A protracted argument with military lawyers followed, and all they would agree to in the end was firing missiles into the parking lot to destroy the Taliban vehicles. Vandalism rather than decapitating the enemy leadership.
Later, of course, the comfort level with drone strikes increased. During the Obama administration, drone assassinations were conducted with abandon and notable lack of concern for civilian deaths.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 26, 2019 03:47 PM (t5m5e)
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Give me forty eight hours and I will send Iran back to the middle of the nineteenth century with minimum civilian damage.
Posted by: General LeMay's geist
It would save time if we just obliterated the damn well. Let's see the imam crawl out of that.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 03:42 PM (T6t7i)
The US was built on the idea that the People control the Government. That if they don't like the government it is their right and duty to change it.
This modern ideal that a countries citizens should be held safe from the consequences of their government actions, flies in the face of what our Founders believed.
War should be so horrible that the PEOPLE of that country stops it.
We are now in the longest running conflict the US has had, because we have taken the HORROR of war away, both from our enemies, but also from our own citizens.
The US Military is currently at war, the US is not.
Posted by: General LeMay's geist
It would save time if we just obliterated the damn well. Let's see the imam crawl out of that.
Posted by: pep at May 26, 2019 03:42 PM (T6t7i)
The US was built on the idea that the People control the Government. That if they don't like the government it is their right and duty to change it.
This modern ideal that a countries citizens should be held safe from the consequences of their government actions, flies in the face of what our Founders believed.
War should be so horrible that the PEOPLE of that country stops it.
We are now in the longest running conflict the US has had, because we have taken the HORROR of war away, both from our enemies, but also from our own citizens.
The US Military is currently at war, the US is not.
Posted by: Don Q at May 26, 2019 03:48 PM (NgKpN)
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The islam world order has a buttload of money and that money buys a buttload of influence. Influence that is like honey to politicians, our politicians.
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Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2019 03:46 PM (qBNEP)
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I've noticed that dictatorships that come into
a large amount of money, e.g. China, start mysteriously start getting their way.
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Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2019 03:46 PM (qBNEP)
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I've noticed that dictatorships that come into
a large amount of money, e.g. China, start mysteriously start getting their way.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 26, 2019 03:51 PM (t5m5e)
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Eromero, the enemy ain't won yet--not on our watch.
God willing, we'll teach our successors the same.
Eromero, the enemy ain't won yet--not on our watch.
God willing, we'll teach our successors the same.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2019 03:51 PM (KATBx)
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So what is a good argument for talking muslims out of their barbaric death cult?
Posted by: Cicero
They will never be talked out of it. But they may be killed out of it.
Spengler (David Goldman) postulates in a column called More Killing Please from June 2003 (which I cannot find online as all previously posted links to it are now 404) that you have to kill 30 percent of your enemy's military aged men to win a war decisively.
It worked with Nazi Germany and in the Union defeating the Confederacy. It could work in defeating Islam, bit we haven't even got a decent start on producing the necessary body count yet.
Posted by: Cicero
They will never be talked out of it. But they may be killed out of it.
Spengler (David Goldman) postulates in a column called More Killing Please from June 2003 (which I cannot find online as all previously posted links to it are now 404) that you have to kill 30 percent of your enemy's military aged men to win a war decisively.
It worked with Nazi Germany and in the Union defeating the Confederacy. It could work in defeating Islam, bit we haven't even got a decent start on producing the necessary body count yet.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2019 03:52 PM (smc0A)
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What kinds of problems are the Carthaginians causing today?
Posted by: Waepnedmann at May 26, 2019 03:53 PM (jnr2X)
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Now we have a huge "human rights" establishment - objectively anti-American - to sap our resolve to see things through.
Americans have been brainwashed by the North Koreans, tortured by the North Vietnamese and slaughtered in captivity by Muslims. These have never excited the condemnation of the transnational bleeding hearts, who are more concerned with Gitmo prisoners getting Halal meals.
Now we have a huge "human rights" establishment - objectively anti-American - to sap our resolve to see things through.
Americans have been brainwashed by the North Koreans, tortured by the North Vietnamese and slaughtered in captivity by Muslims. These have never excited the condemnation of the transnational bleeding hearts, who are more concerned with Gitmo prisoners getting Halal meals.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2019 03:53 PM (X3lUd)
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Lots of episodes under Jug Ears were designed to favor the opposition. The Capt Phillips capture the SEALS were not allowed to dispatch the pirates until Capt Phillips life was in immediate danger was the way I read accounts.
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2019 03:53 PM (BbGew)
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Teachers Allegedly Told To Favor Black Students In 'Racial Equity- Training
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"Equality" training?
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"Equality" training?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 26, 2019 03:54 PM (+y/Ru)
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They are selling us out to islam savages.
China too. There was a little-noticed news blurb a couple of years ago that said that Chi-Coms were the driving force in a lot of kollidge campii activist organizations.
That was all I ever heard about it. Again, why are we tolerating this? Where are the organizations who are supposed to be keeping us safe?
Freedom is not a suicide pact that allows our enemies to do as they please and hide behind it as a justification for their sedition.
China too. There was a little-noticed news blurb a couple of years ago that said that Chi-Coms were the driving force in a lot of kollidge campii activist organizations.
That was all I ever heard about it. Again, why are we tolerating this? Where are the organizations who are supposed to be keeping us safe?
Freedom is not a suicide pact that allows our enemies to do as they please and hide behind it as a justification for their sedition.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 26, 2019 03:55 PM (HaL55)
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Hear, hear!
No more US boots on the ground for anything but a declared war.
Stop deploying the National Guard anywhere outside of their states except for training or a *declared* war. Remember those?
No more US boots on the ground for anything but a declared war.
Stop deploying the National Guard anywhere outside of their states except for training or a *declared* war. Remember those?
Posted by: RobM1981 at May 26, 2019 03:55 PM (LKDaw)
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Not sure if it's going to pass through but looked like a T-storm was heading this way
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2019 03:58 PM (BbGew)
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If we're going to use the military, let's put them on the border. We defend other countries' borders but not our own.
Posted by: abbynormal at May 26, 2019 03:58 PM (h5Lyp)
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So what is a good argument for talking muslims out of their barbaric death cult?
Here's one: what if "infidels" are not people, but are negative thoughts instead? What if that meaning were somehow lost in some translation centuries ago and was recently discovered by a group of muslim researchers?
What if killing bad thoughts were the goal instead of killing people?
So what is a good argument for talking muslims out of their barbaric death cult?
Here's one: what if "infidels" are not people, but are negative thoughts instead? What if that meaning were somehow lost in some translation centuries ago and was recently discovered by a group of muslim researchers?
What if killing bad thoughts were the goal instead of killing people?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at May 26, 2019 04:00 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at May 26, 2019 04:02 PM (veklJ)
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Posted by: washrivergal at May 26, 2019 02:47 PM (EjlXc)
Where the terrorists are at Gitmo used to be Marine Corpse field barracks. We also housed Haitian refugees there in the early 90s, and they bitched about it, too, with an assist from a bunch of law school students.
Where the terrorists are at Gitmo used to be Marine Corpse field barracks. We also housed Haitian refugees there in the early 90s, and they bitched about it, too, with an assist from a bunch of law school students.
Posted by: clutch at May 26, 2019 04:03 PM (kiSdp)
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FOOD NOOD
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2019 04:03 PM (BbGew)
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Macron is going to lose to Le Pen ????????? wow
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 26, 2019 04:03 PM (BqBId)
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noood
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics
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foood
and therefore not my stopping ground
noood
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics
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foood
and therefore not my stopping ground
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 26, 2019 04:04 PM (oGNNA)
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Macron is going to lose to Le Pen ????????? wow
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT
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What? Is that somewhere?
Macron is going to lose to Le Pen ????????? wow
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT
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What? Is that somewhere?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 26, 2019 04:04 PM (oGNNA)
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All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's, Gay, Lesbian, and Trans-Gender Reproductive Hearth Clinic wants to wish Presdent Obama a Happy Memorial Day and for all the goodfs things you did holp the military. Thank you sir and we love you !!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro (aka: Obamaboro), VT at May 26, 2019 04:06 PM (qM84C)
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C Cupp says do PDT a favor and impeach and remove him.
SE Cupp Unfiltered
@UnfilteredSE
"Now that the Democrats in the House have some power-and are using it-Trump REALLY doesn't want the job." Watch @secupp explain why Trump is over it, and how impeachment would give him a way out.
SE Cupp Unfiltered
@UnfilteredSE
"Now that the Democrats in the House have some power-and are using it-Trump REALLY doesn't want the job." Watch @secupp explain why Trump is over it, and how impeachment would give him a way out.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 26, 2019 04:07 PM (+y/Ru)
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http://bit.ly/2ExUboI
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European election LATEST: Le Pen tops poll in France in blow for Macron - The Local
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European election LATEST: Le Pen tops poll in France in blow for Macron - The Local
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 26, 2019 04:07 PM (BqBId)
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They destroyed a symbol of our culture, we should have destroyed one of theirs. With prejudice.
Posted by: pawn at May 26, 2019 04:07 PM (ti2yD)
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Macron is going to lose to Le Pen ????????? wow
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT
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What? Is that somewhere?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
https://tinyurl.com/y353ps72
Macron is going to lose to Le Pen ????????? wow
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT
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What? Is that somewhere?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
https://tinyurl.com/y353ps72
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2019 04:08 PM (aKsyK)
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Sorry, "Without"
Posted by: pawn at May 26, 2019 04:10 PM (ti2yD)
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Frankie Hollywood will lose his allure to the left.
Pope compares abortion to 'hiring hitman'...
Pope compares abortion to 'hiring hitman'...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 26, 2019 04:15 PM (+y/Ru)
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CANNES: Bong Joon-ho's 'PARASITE' Takes Palme d'Or...
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Ahhhh. "Bong Joon-ho"? Now, that's a Hollywood name.
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Ahhhh. "Bong Joon-ho"? Now, that's a Hollywood name.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 26, 2019 04:19 PM (+y/Ru)
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https://tinyurl.com/y353ps72
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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I'm woefully ignorant about this and I don't know how the "European" elections affect Macron.
https://tinyurl.com/y353ps72
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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I'm woefully ignorant about this and I don't know how the "European" elections affect Macron.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 26, 2019 04:22 PM (oGNNA)
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Just think, had W not disbanded the Iraqi Army we could have left in weeks
Posted by: Avi at May 26, 2019 04:45 PM (uxqPu)
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@56 agree in principle but my stumbling block is this: what should our response to 9/11 have been, then?
Posted by: Zoomie at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (H7+oG)
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We should have taught them how glass is made from sand at elevated temperature and pressure.
Ever since Pearl Harbor, we have been played and suckered. VietNam especially pissed me off. Both Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap and our own 'esteemed' SecDef Robert S McNamara - in their own books - stated that the ostensible 'cause' for our involvement in SE Asia (the 'Gulf of Tonkin Incident') NEVER HAPPENED. 51,000+ TROOPS DIED FOR THEIR LIE.
No. More. Troops. Pissed. Away. In. Pursuit. Of. Pussyific. Policies. We go in to win - and win quickly - then get the hell out. Screw the concept of 'establishing a democratic regime.' Can't be done. All we can do is play Whack-A-Muzz until we whack 'em all. Anything short of that is needlessly wasting the lives of our troops.
Posted by: Zoomie at May 26, 2019 02:50 PM (H7+oG)
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We should have taught them how glass is made from sand at elevated temperature and pressure.
Ever since Pearl Harbor, we have been played and suckered. VietNam especially pissed me off. Both Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap and our own 'esteemed' SecDef Robert S McNamara - in their own books - stated that the ostensible 'cause' for our involvement in SE Asia (the 'Gulf of Tonkin Incident') NEVER HAPPENED. 51,000+ TROOPS DIED FOR THEIR LIE.
No. More. Troops. Pissed. Away. In. Pursuit. Of. Pussyific. Policies. We go in to win - and win quickly - then get the hell out. Screw the concept of 'establishing a democratic regime.' Can't be done. All we can do is play Whack-A-Muzz until we whack 'em all. Anything short of that is needlessly wasting the lives of our troops.
Posted by: Dr_No at May 26, 2019 05:30 PM (imDUY)
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From what i've seen on internet videos, a lot of military people, male and female, are getting abused by airlines, their security, and law enforcement. Even to the outrage of fellow passengers. Naurally the media mentions very little of it going on.
Posted by: ron n. at May 26, 2019 05:49 PM (om5HK)
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Ah, I was wondering. I love good beef!
Posted by: Cheriebebe at May 26, 2019 05:56 PM (a4qVe)
I had to look it up, because I pretty much never get grass-fed beef (though I certainly will in the future). Lesson learned: when grilling steak, trust the feel, not the appearance. If it had been an hour earlier, I would've gone right past medium and ruined it.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at May 26, 2019 05:56 PM (a4qVe)
I had to look it up, because I pretty much never get grass-fed beef (though I certainly will in the future). Lesson learned: when grilling steak, trust the feel, not the appearance. If it had been an hour earlier, I would've gone right past medium and ruined it.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 26, 2019 06:05 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 26, 2019 06:06 PM (t+qrx)
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@willchamberlain
This is a beatdown
@Nigel_Farage and @brexitparty_uk taking no prisoners
Looks like the've changed politics for good
This is a beatdown
@Nigel_Farage and @brexitparty_uk taking no prisoners
Looks like the've changed politics for good
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 26, 2019 06:08 PM (BqBId)
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if you're still here and don't want to go to food thread, check out this mesmerizing picture of Melania and Mrs. Abe at Japan's digital museum
https://theconservativetreehouse.files. wordpress.com/2019/05/ melania-toyko-8.jpg
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https://theconservativetreehouse.files. wordpress.com/2019/05/ melania-toyko-8.jpg
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Posted by: booknlass at May 26, 2019 06:15 PM (xIKXj)
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Horseshit. The military is of no use if it is never used. The threat has to be real. All of us that volunteered understand that your life might be taken or should have. It won't always be in some grand save the world effort like WW2 but that doesn't mean these lives were thrown away.
Posted by: causticf at May 26, 2019 06:29 PM (cfxc3)
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225 Horseshit. The military is of no use if it is never used. The threat has to be real. All of us that volunteered understand that your life might be taken or should have. It won't always be in some grand save the world effort like WW2 but that doesn't mean these lives were thrown away.
Posted by: causticf at May 26, 2019 06:29 PM (cfxc3)
Agreed. Which is why the military #1 priority should be our Southern Border and dealing with Mexico and other bad actors. What good is having a military if we can't use it to defend our wide open borders, asymmetrical warfare, and what has been an invasion the last 3 decades at least. Then focus on bringing order to D.C, California, Baltimore, NYC, Chicago, and other diverse and vibrant areas that are in a state of rebellion that cannot be tolerated any longer.
They all must go back and shut it down on the borders.
Posted by: causticf at May 26, 2019 06:29 PM (cfxc3)
Agreed. Which is why the military #1 priority should be our Southern Border and dealing with Mexico and other bad actors. What good is having a military if we can't use it to defend our wide open borders, asymmetrical warfare, and what has been an invasion the last 3 decades at least. Then focus on bringing order to D.C, California, Baltimore, NYC, Chicago, and other diverse and vibrant areas that are in a state of rebellion that cannot be tolerated any longer.
They all must go back and shut it down on the borders.
Posted by: 10,000 btu's at May 26, 2019 06:44 PM (UrNY/)
Posted by: FITP at May 26, 2019 06:56 PM (y9CWf)
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Will Chamberlain
@willchamberlain
Le Pen first in France
Salvini first in Italy
Farage first in Britain
It's almost as if people don't like the EU
Will Chamberlain
@willchamberlain
Le Pen first in France
Salvini first in Italy
Farage first in Britain
It's almost as if people don't like the EU
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 26, 2019 06:58 PM (BqBId)
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"Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz leading with support for Kurz's conservative People's Party, at 34.5%."
That deal about Kurz's buddy and the Russian honeypot made no difference.
That deal about Kurz's buddy and the Russian honeypot made no difference.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 26, 2019 07:08 PM (YMlDq)
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"determined to kill them all and rebuild them better than ever"
The problem there is the existence of that second goal. Not because it doesn't make a good goal (perhaps), but that the liberals and progressives have not a M-F*ing clue about what's required to do so. Because they have lost the concept that American exceptionalism is a thing, and what it requires to exist, they think they can get folks to write a constitution and have everyone vote, and VOILA! Democracy and Freedom!
We were able to do it in Germany because they already had a tradition of the Enlightenment, and all its thinkers and concepts.
We had to destroy Japan to make it happen because they did NOT.
We've hardly bothered (except for the voting and VOILA! parts) in Iraq or Afghanistan (where it could *never* happen, anyway). Or anywhere else we've intervened over the last 75 years, for that matter.
I want a robust military, the baddest in the land. I want to be able to reach out and obliterate a single terrorist in his bunker, all the way up to eliminating an entire country right off the face of the earth, and everything in between. And I want to be able to deploy our entire spectrum of force to another part of the world and fight and win handily and thoroughly.
Then I want us to GO THE HELL HOME. Let *them* deal with the aftermath. *THEY* started the fight, and it's not our responsibility to pick up their shit when it didn't go their way. I think in a lot of cases, we should "salt their fields" when we leave so they *cannot* pick up their shit again for a very very long time.
If we insist on "fixing" things, then we must demand a total change of society to enshrine right to property, right to life, freedom of expression in all its forms, and absolute equality under the law. And until they have thoroughly internalized those (at least TWO generations), recognize they will not be fit to rule themselves.
Caution: That way lies empire.
The problem there is the existence of that second goal. Not because it doesn't make a good goal (perhaps), but that the liberals and progressives have not a M-F*ing clue about what's required to do so. Because they have lost the concept that American exceptionalism is a thing, and what it requires to exist, they think they can get folks to write a constitution and have everyone vote, and VOILA! Democracy and Freedom!
We were able to do it in Germany because they already had a tradition of the Enlightenment, and all its thinkers and concepts.
We had to destroy Japan to make it happen because they did NOT.
We've hardly bothered (except for the voting and VOILA! parts) in Iraq or Afghanistan (where it could *never* happen, anyway). Or anywhere else we've intervened over the last 75 years, for that matter.
I want a robust military, the baddest in the land. I want to be able to reach out and obliterate a single terrorist in his bunker, all the way up to eliminating an entire country right off the face of the earth, and everything in between. And I want to be able to deploy our entire spectrum of force to another part of the world and fight and win handily and thoroughly.
Then I want us to GO THE HELL HOME. Let *them* deal with the aftermath. *THEY* started the fight, and it's not our responsibility to pick up their shit when it didn't go their way. I think in a lot of cases, we should "salt their fields" when we leave so they *cannot* pick up their shit again for a very very long time.
If we insist on "fixing" things, then we must demand a total change of society to enshrine right to property, right to life, freedom of expression in all its forms, and absolute equality under the law. And until they have thoroughly internalized those (at least TWO generations), recognize they will not be fit to rule themselves.
Caution: That way lies empire.
Posted by: GWB at May 26, 2019 07:38 PM (PpL0X)
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Memorial Day isn't about the next war, it is about our citizens who died fighting in all the wars that already happened. See the photo CBD posted at the top of this article? Go to this site:
https://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries-memorials
Normandy is just one of the sites in France. When you visit one of these countries, go to one or more of those cemeteries. Think about what it cost and who paid and how they paid. Those are OUR people. Visit a military cemetery in the States. Those are our people too. Stand on the top of the cliff at Pont Du Hoc, look down at the beach, imagine climbing that into machine gun fire. A bunch of guys did. What will we do with the country they left us?
https://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries-memorials
Normandy is just one of the sites in France. When you visit one of these countries, go to one or more of those cemeteries. Think about what it cost and who paid and how they paid. Those are OUR people. Visit a military cemetery in the States. Those are our people too. Stand on the top of the cliff at Pont Du Hoc, look down at the beach, imagine climbing that into machine gun fire. A bunch of guys did. What will we do with the country they left us?
Posted by: Richard at May 26, 2019 08:12 PM (huaUe)
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Excellent piece because it sums up my stance based on my experiences in and around service in US military. We are losing our republic.
"There is a story, often told, that upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it." "
"There is a story, often told, that upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it." "
Posted by: Commander Cobra at May 26, 2019 08:23 PM (2A7Tj)
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"There's no evidence of a Gospel until 70 years after Jesus' death and no evidence of one in written form until 200 years after.
Wanna talk people out of Christianity on that basis?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (fuK7c)"
Many have tried, and all have failed. But nobody will even TRY with Islam. We carefully swaddle it in bubble wrap and tiptoe respectfully around, making no noise to disturb its petrified certainty. And Muslims themselves take care that nothing can disturb it, because they fear having to argue for such a backward, incompetent bundle of fairytales. In some part of their minds, they know that Islam is too brittle to stand up to the kicks and blows that Christianity has endured, and they eliminate every challenge before it can even get close, for fear that the whole rotten structure will crumble to pieces, leaving them with nothing.
Wanna talk people out of Christianity on that basis?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 26, 2019 02:36 PM (fuK7c)"
Many have tried, and all have failed. But nobody will even TRY with Islam. We carefully swaddle it in bubble wrap and tiptoe respectfully around, making no noise to disturb its petrified certainty. And Muslims themselves take care that nothing can disturb it, because they fear having to argue for such a backward, incompetent bundle of fairytales. In some part of their minds, they know that Islam is too brittle to stand up to the kicks and blows that Christianity has endured, and they eliminate every challenge before it can even get close, for fear that the whole rotten structure will crumble to pieces, leaving them with nothing.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at May 26, 2019 08:27 PM (TU8QY)
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"We either enter conflicts with overwhelming force and a clearly defined goal of winning, or we do not enter at all."
Winning the peace, not just the war.
And I said that back when the "victory" in the Gulf War sans regime change was going sour.
But everyone called me an evil, warmongering, imperialist.
And that was before I knew enough history - both military and realpolitik and political theory - and could prove why that true.
"Should we assist our allies with logistical support? Of course! Should we use air power and naval power in their support and in support of our own objectives? Yes, if the benefit far outweighs the risk."
No. We should not. Because we have no idea if our allies or "allies" are willing to commit to winning both the war and the peace. Look at what Obama and Clinton "achieved" in Libya with such "assistance". And look at how we are left with fallout from refugee "problems" caused by such limited assistance in other places.
The only instance where it has been manageable in history is Israel, where victory has been prevented time and again by the UN, and for which we have ongoing domestic political issues, in addition to the terror issues, as a consequence. Every other instance has been worse.
Always look at the ongoing circumstances of Israel as the baseline for the best result of half-measures-and-less intervention, and just walk away.
Winning the peace, not just the war.
And I said that back when the "victory" in the Gulf War sans regime change was going sour.
But everyone called me an evil, warmongering, imperialist.
And that was before I knew enough history - both military and realpolitik and political theory - and could prove why that true.
"Should we assist our allies with logistical support? Of course! Should we use air power and naval power in their support and in support of our own objectives? Yes, if the benefit far outweighs the risk."
No. We should not. Because we have no idea if our allies or "allies" are willing to commit to winning both the war and the peace. Look at what Obama and Clinton "achieved" in Libya with such "assistance". And look at how we are left with fallout from refugee "problems" caused by such limited assistance in other places.
The only instance where it has been manageable in history is Israel, where victory has been prevented time and again by the UN, and for which we have ongoing domestic political issues, in addition to the terror issues, as a consequence. Every other instance has been worse.
Always look at the ongoing circumstances of Israel as the baseline for the best result of half-measures-and-less intervention, and just walk away.
Posted by: Sam at May 26, 2019 09:42 PM (YScgw)
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Beautifully written, CBD.
I arrived at this point in Gulf War I due to work that caused me to realize it wasn't a matter of keeping oil flowing, a totally legitimate reason for war, but a debt dispute between Iraq and Kuwait. That made me anti-Bush, anti-intervention and a Republican pariah falsely accused of Buchananism. It's been quite a ride.
There very likely will never be another troop deployment in my lifetime I support. The open border alone makes foreign military action ludicrous.
That's not a pariah position now. God bless those who have died and those who have suffered for no reasons other than greed, hubris, and ignorance.
I arrived at this point in Gulf War I due to work that caused me to realize it wasn't a matter of keeping oil flowing, a totally legitimate reason for war, but a debt dispute between Iraq and Kuwait. That made me anti-Bush, anti-intervention and a Republican pariah falsely accused of Buchananism. It's been quite a ride.
There very likely will never be another troop deployment in my lifetime I support. The open border alone makes foreign military action ludicrous.
That's not a pariah position now. God bless those who have died and those who have suffered for no reasons other than greed, hubris, and ignorance.
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