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Gun Thread: Reloading 101 Pt. 5: Assembly!! [Weasel]
.38 Special of Dubious Manufacture
At last, the long Gun Thread reloading series nightmare is nearly over! Rejoice! Well, not so fast there buckaroos, we still have to put the pieces together, so let's get on that, shall we?
There really isn't much to say about the assembly process, and it's probably simpler than you would expect once you correctly setup the dies. Size and prime the case, add the powder and seat the bullet. That's really about it. What I'd like to do in this section is to offer a few tips and things I've learned over the years.
- Buy a reloading manual and read the damn thing. The first section of any manual will contain the step-by-step reloading process (with pictures!) followed by suggested load information by caliber.
- Confirm any new load you're contemplating from one or more published sources and be skeptical of everything you read on the internet.
- Setup your reloading bench away from noise and distraction. Do not try and watch TV or engage in conversation while you are reloading. Work with ONLY one powder on your bench at a time.
- When things are set up correctly, each step is completed smoothly and without exerting a large amount of force on any of the tools. If you notice a change in the physical effort required to complete a step, stop and investigate.
- Work in batches. I will size 50 or 100 cases, then prime them, then add powder and finally seat the bullets.
- Practice making several dummy rounds until each die is properly adjusted, and critical dimensions are verified, before you begin making loaded ammunition.
- Keep a book of reloading notes. Powder charge, primer, bullet, expected velocity and later performance notes.
- Always note the caliber, date, powder type, charge weight and bullet weight on a note in your ammo storage box to identify the load
- Link to reloading gear setup and adjustment PDF: Download file
Sizing and Depriming
The sizing step sets the case to the proper dimension and pops out the spent primer. It's also an opportunity to inspect the brass prior to loading. Look for cracks and splits in the brass or any other abnormality, including a flattening of the old primer which indicates excessive pressure. Gun Thread Reloading Test: Who can spot the problem with this fired case?
Near disaster from the Weasel private collection
Simply place a cartridge into the shellholder and cycle the press. The amount of sizing will vary based on the chamber, but a change of .003" - .008" is about normal. You will feel a slight resistance as the case enters the die and the ram reaches its uppermost position as the handle begins to cam over. Repeat until the desired number of cases are sized and de-primed. Fired unsized case:
After firing and before sizing -.3785"
After sizing - .3735"
The expansion step very slightly flares the case mouth to accept the bullet. Avoid oversizing as this leads to premature case wear and failure. When cycling the press on the expansion die you will feel about the same resistance as in the earlier sizing step as the ram reaches its uppermost position. Adjust the expander plug up or down until a bullet will just begin to seat in the case mouth without force. Repeat until the desired number of cases are processed. After a trip through the expander die we get:
Expanded case - .3820"
Confirm the size and type of primer to be used, and inspect the primer pocket for excessive carbon buildup or other abnormalities. Loosening of the primer pocket is a sign of overpressure. The cycling of the priming tool should be accomplished smoothly with a slight resistance as the primer is firmly seated. When properly seated the primer will sit even with, or very slightly below, the case head. Repeat until the desired number of cases have been primed. Powder
Double check that you are using the correct powder. Never work with more than one powder on the bench. Run several charges through the powder dispenser, checking each on your scale until the amounts dispensed are consistent. The cycling of the dispenser arm should be smoothly performed at the same speed each time. I dispense powder into a pan about every 10th cartridge and check the weight for consistency. If a variance is noted, investigate back to your last weight QA check. I prefer to dispense powder into 50 cartridges, and then seat the bullets all at once. Bullet Seating
Visually inspect the powder levels of all cartridges in the reloading block. This is your last chance to avoid a squib load or worse, a double charge. It is a good idea to make a number of dummy rounds (no powder or primer) as you setup the die until you are satisfied with the seating depth and crimp. Again, the press should cycle with a very slight resistance as the bullet is seated and crimped into place. You can use commercial ammunition as examples. The now completed round should drop freely into the cartridge case gage and not stick out either end. When we seat and crimp the bullet we get:
final diameter .377
One thing we haven't discussed until now is case cleaning. The brass cartridges become dirty with powder residue and must be cleaned. There are different ways to accomplish this, and I use a vibrating tumbler filled with crushed walnut media. I have never seen the reason to spend a ton of money on the process and am satisfied with just getting the grime off of the brass, not making it look brand new. I deprime my brass first, then tumble for an hour or so. Care must used to inspect each case after tumbling for walnut grains stuck in the flash hole. The tumblers retail around $50 or so. One tip - the crushed walnut must be changed periodically. You can extend it's life by removing crud from the bowl if you toss in a dryer sheet with the brass which collects a lot of the gunpowder residue. Also, source the crushed walnut media from a pet supply place, not from a gun supply place. You'll get an enormous bag at a fraction of the cost. Do you like shiny things? If you're really, really serious about clean brass, here's an informative article on using stainless steel pins as a cleaning media. Congratulations! You've just freed yourself from the tyranny of Big Ammo by undertaking an enjoyable and productive hobby. Please use common sense. If something doesn't feel right, it probably isn't, and should be investigated until you understand what is going on. Do not replicate any loads until you have independently verified the powder type and charge weight in a published source. Trust me, there is always a bigger idiot out there somewhere, and you do not want to find them discussing their "secret" formula on the internet. If you run into problems or have any questions, feel free to drop me a line. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all non-reloaders for indulging me as I've rambled on about reloading these last few weeks. I appreciate your patience!
choosing pistol ammo which raises an interesting question. How many of you have a specific brand and type of ammo for your various shooting applications, and how many just buy what's on sale?
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This week's entry comes from regular lurker Catch Thirty-Thr33 who shares a couple of nice handguns and thoughts on the semantics of making guns even scarier!
Beretta 92(L) and Sig Sauer P226(R)
I lurk on the gun thread - I have to, as when the gun thread is posted, I'm usually working deep into the night. Anyways, for the past year or so I have been hearing this nonsense about "weapons of war". So I thought I'd show the weapons of war I had before the horrible canoe accident. Off to the left is Weapon of War #1: I deployed with a gun like this and keep this for practice, as I want to be proficient in weapons of war for I might be sent downrange with one yet again. It is in fact a 9mm Beretta, my first gun, that I bought so that I could attain mastery of the M9. (Meaning that soon I will have to get a M17 - otherwise known as the Sig P320.) To the right is Weapon of War #2, that I got in a gun sale offered by the unit I was deployed with at the time. Yes, it IS a Sig P226 TacOps. I ordered it during deployment, and paid for it right afterwards - and it arrived on Christmas Eve some years back. Yes, on Christmas Eve. I hung around at a small coffee house nearby, drinking coffee and hanging out online until I got the call saying "your gun has arrived and you have until 3 pm to pick it up today." I was there in 5 minutes. Shooting commenced on Boxing Day and it was great right out of the box. I just thought I'd share to underscore the idiocy of the term "weapons of war" - you know it's dumb, I know it's dumb, but the wider world doesn't know.Great point, Catch Thirty-Thr33 - thanks for sending this in!
That's it for this week - have you been to the range?
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Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 05, 2019 07:01 PM (JUOKG)
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Foist?
Posted by: Ha at May 05, 2019 07:02 PM (MAstk)
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Went to my gun dealer/shooting range the other day to check out if I got the right adapter for my silencer and the ATF was there. Two agents inventorying the entire place. Not a good sign.
Plus I got the wrong adapter.
Plus I got the wrong adapter.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 05, 2019 07:02 PM (JUOKG)
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Happiness is
Posted by: Skip at May 05, 2019 07:04 PM (BbGew)
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https://www.thediplomad.com
Harmless Fun with Guns
He was having some issues with new mags
Always a good short read
Harmless Fun with Guns
He was having some issues with new mags
Always a good short read
Posted by: Skip at May 05, 2019 07:06 PM (BbGew)
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Howdy y'all!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:06 PM (MVjcR)
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MI CPL cards are made like drivers licenses. Actually, if you have a newer DL, they don't shoot a new picture for your CPL, they just use the one on file.
Around 2008 or so, they were Social Security card-grade things made from construction paper with a picture glued on and printing that would smudge off, but they make them sturdier now.
Around 2008 or so, they were Social Security card-grade things made from construction paper with a picture glued on and printing that would smudge off, but they make them sturdier now.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:07 PM (t+qrx)
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Mechanical dial calipers are the true faith.
Never had a digital that could hold zero for 5 measurements, now I wouldn't take one as a gift.
Never had a digital that could hold zero for 5 measurements, now I wouldn't take one as a gift.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez asks,who is painting these concentric circles on my back all the time ? at May 05, 2019 07:08 PM (isI7q)
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Mechanical dial calipers are the true faith.
Never had a digital that could hold zero for 5 measurements, now I wouldn't take one as a gift.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez asks,who is painting these concentric circles on my back all the time ? at May 05, 2019 07:08 PM (isI7q)
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Word, brother.
Never had a digital that could hold zero for 5 measurements, now I wouldn't take one as a gift.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez asks,who is painting these concentric circles on my back all the time ? at May 05, 2019 07:08 PM (isI7q)
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Word, brother.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:10 PM (MVjcR)
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Howdy y'all!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:06 PM (MVjcR)
Whoa! How did you know there was going to be a gun thread?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:06 PM (MVjcR)
Whoa! How did you know there was going to be a gun thread?
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:10 PM (t+qrx)
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Weasel, what are your thoughts on neck sizing dies?
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 07:10 PM (l7Kbv)
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10 Howdy y'all!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:06 PM (MVjcR)
Whoa! How did you know there was going to be a gun thread?
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:10 PM (t+qrx)
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crazy, huh?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:06 PM (MVjcR)
Whoa! How did you know there was going to be a gun thread?
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:10 PM (t+qrx)
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crazy, huh?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:10 PM (MVjcR)
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Every week this time for last 10 or so
Posted by: Skip at May 05, 2019 07:11 PM (BbGew)
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One point about your comments about loading in batches....
Doing sizing and priming in batches is one thing. but charging with powder and seating bullets in separate steps is a recipe for disaster.
I never, never, never charge a case without immediately seating a bullet. No chance of a double charge that way.
Doing sizing and priming in batches is one thing. but charging with powder and seating bullets in separate steps is a recipe for disaster.
I never, never, never charge a case without immediately seating a bullet. No chance of a double charge that way.
Posted by: ghbucky at May 05, 2019 07:12 PM (D2q91)
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11 Weasel, what are your thoughts on neck sizing dies?
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 07:10 PM (l7Kbv)
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Yes is my thoughts. I use full length bushing dies for my rifle match loads. It's the only way to hold proper neck tension.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 07:10 PM (l7Kbv)
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Yes is my thoughts. I use full length bushing dies for my rifle match loads. It's the only way to hold proper neck tension.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)
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13 Every week this time for last 10 or so
Posted by: Skip at May 05, 2019 07:11 PM (BbGew)
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Would you believe this is #36? Time flies.
Posted by: Skip at May 05, 2019 07:11 PM (BbGew)
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Would you believe this is #36? Time flies.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)
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Yay gun thread. On the range as we speak. Busy morning , a mate from US arrives this morning to go hunting. His rifles were not sent because he forgot about a visitors permit, so I am running around putting suppressors on a bunch of bolt actions to loan to him. He could buy a couple of rifles here and leave them behind but we leave for down south tomorrow and we have to check zero this afternoon.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 05, 2019 07:15 PM (bgJ0E)
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This guy is pretty interesting on handgun combative thoughts with reference to gun fighters in the old west. Basic points: 1) he admits he doesn't know everything 2) deliberation, speed, accuracy 3) forget fanning the hammer and shooting from the hip; use your sights.
https://youtu.be/xmN38wnH2GA
https://youtu.be/xmN38wnH2GA
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 05, 2019 07:16 PM (+y/Ru)
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Gunzzzz!!! (or, rather, gubzzzz! BTW UToob has the relevant clip from Take the Money and Run, it's good, and will explain the "gub" thing for themn's that don't know about it already)
Weasel, you stolt two of my favorite reloading tips - the walnut ("lizard litter") cleaning media, and the dryer sheets. Note: USED dryer sheets, pretty sure. Have never tried new ones. And being used, it's one more nice little reloading cheat - free, and getting more out of something that's trash otherwise.
On case cleaning: besides used dryer sheets, for additional cleaning of the brass, and shine, you can add a bit of mineral spirits, and liquid car wax (NuFinish seems to be the reloaders' favorite, I use it). I like my cases very clean. For those wanting a big shine, get some corn cob media, mix it in with the walnut, mineral spirits, and NuFinish - your brass will blind you.
Weasel, you stolt two of my favorite reloading tips - the walnut ("lizard litter") cleaning media, and the dryer sheets. Note: USED dryer sheets, pretty sure. Have never tried new ones. And being used, it's one more nice little reloading cheat - free, and getting more out of something that's trash otherwise.
On case cleaning: besides used dryer sheets, for additional cleaning of the brass, and shine, you can add a bit of mineral spirits, and liquid car wax (NuFinish seems to be the reloaders' favorite, I use it). I like my cases very clean. For those wanting a big shine, get some corn cob media, mix it in with the walnut, mineral spirits, and NuFinish - your brass will blind you.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:17 PM (QDnY+)
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Always appreciative of the gub thread, Weasel.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 05, 2019 07:17 PM (EgshT)
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Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 05, 2019 07:15 PM (bgJ0E)
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Some of my Australian shooting buddies leave their match guns in the States.
Have a good time!
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Some of my Australian shooting buddies leave their match guns in the States.
Have a good time!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)
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How difficult is it for you to obtain your permit or renewal? Do you
think it's a reasonable procedure? How about the wait time and cost
for the processing?
What's a carry permit?
think it's a reasonable procedure? How about the wait time and cost
for the processing?
What's a carry permit?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...who lives in NJ at May 05, 2019 07:18 PM (wYseH)
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I never, never, never charge a case without immediately seating a bullet. No chance of a double charge that way.
Posted by: ghbucky at May 05, 2019 07:12 PM
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No chance of knocking out powder from the case either.
My rule when I used to reload was once the primer was seated I finished the round.
Once I graduated to a Dillon progressive reloader everything changed.
Posted by: ghbucky at May 05, 2019 07:12 PM
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No chance of knocking out powder from the case either.
My rule when I used to reload was once the primer was seated I finished the round.
Once I graduated to a Dillon progressive reloader everything changed.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 05, 2019 07:18 PM (JUOKG)
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It's the only way to hold proper neck tension.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)
That was my thinking as well (just not ONLY neck sizing as some people do.)
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)
That was my thinking as well (just not ONLY neck sizing as some people do.)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 07:19 PM (l7Kbv)
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20 Always appreciative of the gub thread, Weasel.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 05, 2019 07:17 PM (EgshT)
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Well you are very welcome, Notorious BFD! Glad to have you here!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 05, 2019 07:17 PM (EgshT)
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Well you are very welcome, Notorious BFD! Glad to have you here!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:19 PM (MVjcR)
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Yes is my thoughts. I use full length bushing dies for my rifle match loads. It's the only way to hold proper neck tension.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)
Correct.
For pistolas , meh , not so fussy as I only load for .45ACP , everything else I has crates full.
Yes is my thoughts. I use full length bushing dies for my rifle match loads. It's the only way to hold proper neck tension.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)
Correct.
For pistolas , meh , not so fussy as I only load for .45ACP , everything else I has crates full.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 05, 2019 07:19 PM (bgJ0E)
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Neck sizing can be problematic.
Posted by: Adam Schitt at May 05, 2019 07:20 PM (EgshT)
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"How many of you have a specific brand and type of ammo for your various shooting applications, and how many just buy what's on sale?"
9x19: Anything cheap in 124gn for ball ammo (usually Blazer brass, which is sometimes less than $10/50), Hornady XTP 124gn for social engagements.
5.56x45: Lake City 62gn M855. I just think the green tips are pretty.
9x19: Anything cheap in 124gn for ball ammo (usually Blazer brass, which is sometimes less than $10/50), Hornady XTP 124gn for social engagements.
5.56x45: Lake City 62gn M855. I just think the green tips are pretty.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:20 PM (t+qrx)
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Shit, just remembered I have to get paperwork for this Sundays Service Rifle shoot to HQ NOW.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 05, 2019 07:21 PM (bgJ0E)
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Not exactly firearms but . . .
The Israel Defense Forces reports that Twitter's automated feature to prevent repeated tweets has blocked them from issuing a standardized warning on the social media platform of the hundreds of rocket attacks from Hamas:
https://tinyurl.com/y4gscmla
Terrorist rockets? Yeah, yeah you already told us that.
The Israel Defense Forces reports that Twitter's automated feature to prevent repeated tweets has blocked them from issuing a standardized warning on the social media platform of the hundreds of rocket attacks from Hamas:
https://tinyurl.com/y4gscmla
Terrorist rockets? Yeah, yeah you already told us that.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 05, 2019 07:22 PM (+y/Ru)
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Yes is my thoughts. I use full length bushing dies for my rifle match loads. It's the only way to hold proper neck tension.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)
Correct.
For pistolas , meh , not so fussy as I only load for .45ACP , everything else I has crates full.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 05, 2019 07:19 PM (bgJ0E)
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I also go to some extreme lengths to turn the necks of my match brass on a teensy lathe to make certain the neck wall thickness is uniform. It's a standard step in making precision ammunition.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)
Correct.
For pistolas , meh , not so fussy as I only load for .45ACP , everything else I has crates full.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 05, 2019 07:19 PM (bgJ0E)
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I also go to some extreme lengths to turn the necks of my match brass on a teensy lathe to make certain the neck wall thickness is uniform. It's a standard step in making precision ammunition.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR)
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27 Neck sizing can be problematic.
Posted by: Adam Schitt at May 05, 2019 07:20 PM (EgshT)
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For pencil necks!
Posted by: Adam Schitt at May 05, 2019 07:20 PM (EgshT)
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For pencil necks!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:23 PM (MVjcR)
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Great info Weasel! I had a Jap 6.5 case crack open on me once and spray hot gas and powder on my glasses but the vent hole did it's job on my 1930's Type 38 Arisaka so it was just an inconvenience.
Worked out my re-barreled 1917 Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk3 this week.
After I zeroed at 25 yards, I fine tuned at 100 yards then hit steel plates 11 x 20 inches at 200 yard and 300 yards.
I would shoot the 300 yard plate, then dial down on the rear sight to the 200 yard mark, hit the 200 steel plate, then dial back up to the 300 yard mark and ring the 300 yard steel plate. Sitting, Off-hand and prone.
I worked the new barrel in over a few weeks by shooting 3 or 5 rounds at 25 yards, then running a bore snake thru the bore until next session. After 3 weeks, it was time to put her thru her paces.
I was shooting surplus Brit .303 made in Germany in the 80's which is the newest surplus I have ever found for the Lee-Enfields.
The old gal still has it in her.
Worked out my re-barreled 1917 Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk3 this week.
After I zeroed at 25 yards, I fine tuned at 100 yards then hit steel plates 11 x 20 inches at 200 yard and 300 yards.
I would shoot the 300 yard plate, then dial down on the rear sight to the 200 yard mark, hit the 200 steel plate, then dial back up to the 300 yard mark and ring the 300 yard steel plate. Sitting, Off-hand and prone.
I worked the new barrel in over a few weeks by shooting 3 or 5 rounds at 25 yards, then running a bore snake thru the bore until next session. After 3 weeks, it was time to put her thru her paces.
I was shooting surplus Brit .303 made in Germany in the 80's which is the newest surplus I have ever found for the Lee-Enfields.
The old gal still has it in her.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 05, 2019 07:24 PM (Z+IKu)
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A tip that sorta kind ties in to Weasel's question about ammo purchases.
If you're considering reloading at some point, two things.
Save your brass. Starting ..... today. For any caliber you think you might reload. And for certain calibers, if you regularly have the chance to pick up the brass for free, yet don't use that caliber, consider which one it is. I have nothing in .308. Yet I'm in situations where there are mounds of once-fired .308 fairly often. I've sold one 1,000-case lot, and will soon sell another. Some brass fetches a good price. Found money.
OK so that's two things right there, but all about brass.
Third thing. If you shoot 45ACP, or 38 special, say, and expect to reload those down the road, consider this. Don't just save your brass. For a small but possibly nice benefit (consistency, from using one brand, or "headstamp", of brass), decide on a brand now, and buy that in case lots. You should buy that way anyway (much cheaper).
I did this with 38 special. Some PMC 38 was on sale (this was during the second Obama panic, got it from one of my "off-line" sources that isn't tracked by the shopping engines, like ammoseek.com, which I very strongly suggest all shooters use for shopping or at least pricing ammo). Asked around a bit online (The High Road reloading forum, probably), consensus was that PMC brass was good.
So now I have almost only PMC in the 38 brass pool. Not a big difference. But brands vary - brass thickness, etc. - in small ways, and when the brass is all the same it can lead to some shortcuts/easier reloading. For example ....
If you're considering reloading at some point, two things.
Save your brass. Starting ..... today. For any caliber you think you might reload. And for certain calibers, if you regularly have the chance to pick up the brass for free, yet don't use that caliber, consider which one it is. I have nothing in .308. Yet I'm in situations where there are mounds of once-fired .308 fairly often. I've sold one 1,000-case lot, and will soon sell another. Some brass fetches a good price. Found money.
OK so that's two things right there, but all about brass.
Third thing. If you shoot 45ACP, or 38 special, say, and expect to reload those down the road, consider this. Don't just save your brass. For a small but possibly nice benefit (consistency, from using one brand, or "headstamp", of brass), decide on a brand now, and buy that in case lots. You should buy that way anyway (much cheaper).
I did this with 38 special. Some PMC 38 was on sale (this was during the second Obama panic, got it from one of my "off-line" sources that isn't tracked by the shopping engines, like ammoseek.com, which I very strongly suggest all shooters use for shopping or at least pricing ammo). Asked around a bit online (The High Road reloading forum, probably), consensus was that PMC brass was good.
So now I have almost only PMC in the 38 brass pool. Not a big difference. But brands vary - brass thickness, etc. - in small ways, and when the brass is all the same it can lead to some shortcuts/easier reloading. For example ....
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:24 PM (QDnY+)
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Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 05, 2019 07:24 PM (Z+IKu)
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That sounds like the perfect day at the range. Getting in the groove and knowing right where the bullet is going to go. Then putting a second and third on top of the first.
No scores, no competition, no pressure. Just shooting.
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That sounds like the perfect day at the range. Getting in the groove and knowing right where the bullet is going to go. Then putting a second and third on top of the first.
No scores, no competition, no pressure. Just shooting.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)
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Procedure for getting a Utah concealed firearm permit:
1. Attend training class ( classroom only, no shooting)
2. Class usually includes passport photo, fingerprints, and application form.
3. Send all that stuff to the state along with a check ($50 iirc).
4. Wait about 4 weeks for the background check and watch the mail.
5. Put it in your wallet.
1. Attend training class ( classroom only, no shooting)
2. Class usually includes passport photo, fingerprints, and application form.
3. Send all that stuff to the state along with a check ($50 iirc).
4. Wait about 4 weeks for the background check and watch the mail.
5. Put it in your wallet.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 05, 2019 07:27 PM (RBFmA)
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36?!
Jaw drops
Jaw drops
Posted by: Skip at May 05, 2019 07:28 PM (BbGew)
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I saw Larry Potterfield from Midway do a snippet on re rifling a collectible rifle in a caliber no longer made into a current caliber. I didn't know they did those things. On a side note, Larry Potterfield seems like he knows everything you can know about gun smithing.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 05, 2019 07:29 PM (2DOZq)
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> How many of you have a specific brand and type of ammo for your various shooting applications, and how many just buy what's on sale?
I generally use training type ammo. S&B for my Glock 17 and Zastava M57. Good quality and reasonable price.
My original comment was longer but it's being rejected as spam. Let's see if this works.
I generally use training type ammo. S&B for my Glock 17 and Zastava M57. Good quality and reasonable price.
My original comment was longer but it's being rejected as spam. Let's see if this works.
Posted by: ArthurK at May 05, 2019 07:30 PM (sdz//)
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38 I saw Larry Potterfield from Midway do a snippet on re rifling a collectible rifle in a caliber no longer made into a current caliber. I didn't know they did those things. On a side note, Larry Potterfield seems like he knows everything you can know about gun smithing.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 05, 2019 07:29 PM (2DOZq)
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I've always thought Midway's shipping was sort of steep, but often they're the only one who has what I'm looking for.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 05, 2019 07:29 PM (2DOZq)
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I've always thought Midway's shipping was sort of steep, but often they're the only one who has what I'm looking for.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)
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..... Weasel correctly recommends visually checking every powder throw/charge before bullet seating.
I use a Lee 4-hole turret press (can strongly recommend - it can be used a a single-stage, or an indexing turret, so flexible, in turret mode, for certain loads and calibers, production rate is quite good). I check, visually, each charge before indexing the turret to the bullet-seating die to complete the round. After a short time, you get to know pretty much exactly what it should look like - say, 5.4 grains of HP-38 in a 45ACP case.
If you bought cases of ammo in the past, standardized on one brand, and are using it now, your "case fill" will look pretty much the same from case to case. Meaning you can visually check, with high confidence, that the powder dispenser is working consistently. If you have different brands (as I do for all calibers besides 3
, then there's a slight variation in how a proper charge looks. Small thing, but standardizing on a brand and buying case lots has other advantages - cost, consistency of ammo for training, etc.
TargetSportsUSA, I think, still ships free for all case-sized purchases. And their prices are often quite good (again, see ammoseek.com).
I use a Lee 4-hole turret press (can strongly recommend - it can be used a a single-stage, or an indexing turret, so flexible, in turret mode, for certain loads and calibers, production rate is quite good). I check, visually, each charge before indexing the turret to the bullet-seating die to complete the round. After a short time, you get to know pretty much exactly what it should look like - say, 5.4 grains of HP-38 in a 45ACP case.
If you bought cases of ammo in the past, standardized on one brand, and are using it now, your "case fill" will look pretty much the same from case to case. Meaning you can visually check, with high confidence, that the powder dispenser is working consistently. If you have different brands (as I do for all calibers besides 3
, then there's a slight variation in how a proper charge looks. Small thing, but standardizing on a brand and buying case lots has other advantages - cost, consistency of ammo for training, etc.TargetSportsUSA, I think, still ships free for all case-sized purchases. And their prices are often quite good (again, see ammoseek.com).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:30 PM (QDnY+)
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Ok, that worked.
How about this?
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I shoot my .22lr guns (S&W Vic, RS22) a lot and I'm not a good shot so I just want reliable and cheap. No point in spending extra money to more accurate ammo if my personal margin of error swamps the improvements in the expensive stuff.
How about this?
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I shoot my .22lr guns (S&W Vic, RS22) a lot and I'm not a good shot so I just want reliable and cheap. No point in spending extra money to more accurate ammo if my personal margin of error swamps the improvements in the expensive stuff.
Posted by: ArthurK at May 05, 2019 07:31 PM (sdz//)
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Gunga la Gunga !
Posted by: JT at May 05, 2019 07:31 PM (g+63N)
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Good evening everyone. I've been organizing my reloading tools and components (scattered all over the place), inspired by the last few gun threads. Found a number of items I had completely forgotten about. Mrs. JTB got used to hearing "Where the hell did this come from?"
Anyway, I realized I haven't loaded any bottleneck cartridges for a while. There are extra steps, like case and inner neck lubrication, with rifle cases. So I've been reading a lot of manuals and articles on the process, reading reviews of different lubes, ast bullet rifle loads,etc. Kinda fun.
BTW, the best lubes according to reviews seem to be Imperial Sizing Die Wax and Lee Case Sizing Lube. Both of which I have.
Anyway, I realized I haven't loaded any bottleneck cartridges for a while. There are extra steps, like case and inner neck lubrication, with rifle cases. So I've been reading a lot of manuals and articles on the process, reading reviews of different lubes, ast bullet rifle loads,etc. Kinda fun.
BTW, the best lubes according to reviews seem to be Imperial Sizing Die Wax and Lee Case Sizing Lube. Both of which I have.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 07:31 PM (bmdz3)
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I thought you said you were going to have bewbs in the gub thread.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:31 PM (fuK7c)
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Wow, it only let me send one paragraph!
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Recently picked up an AR15 (S&W MP 15 sport II) and don't know what ammo to use. I bought a box each of 10 different brands and am testing them. So far, the Red Army Standard delivered the best results but that's only 2 groups of 3 shots. I would have shot more but I keep breaking my bipod attachment!
Ref the bipod. I bought a cheap bipod that seems t work very well on my RS22. I got a cheap cheap cheap adapter so I could put it on my M&P15 and it broke when I knocked the rifle off the table.
ooops.
Got another one and it held up for 69 shots. then I tried to fold up the bipod legs and it the stupid adapter snapped right off.
I'd be really pissed but the seller gave me refunds for both of them so I can't complain too much.
Bought an adapter from Harris at twice the price that looks exactly the same. I'll really be pissed if this one doesn't work!
Since I'm testing for accuracy there's no point in shooting without at *least* a bipod. I'm not accurate at all with the MP15 yet.
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Recently picked up an AR15 (S&W MP 15 sport II) and don't know what ammo to use. I bought a box each of 10 different brands and am testing them. So far, the Red Army Standard delivered the best results but that's only 2 groups of 3 shots. I would have shot more but I keep breaking my bipod attachment!
Ref the bipod. I bought a cheap bipod that seems t work very well on my RS22. I got a cheap cheap cheap adapter so I could put it on my M&P15 and it broke when I knocked the rifle off the table.
ooops.
Got another one and it held up for 69 shots. then I tried to fold up the bipod legs and it the stupid adapter snapped right off.
I'd be really pissed but the seller gave me refunds for both of them so I can't complain too much.
Bought an adapter from Harris at twice the price that looks exactly the same. I'll really be pissed if this one doesn't work!
Since I'm testing for accuracy there's no point in shooting without at *least* a bipod. I'm not accurate at all with the MP15 yet.
Posted by: ArthurK at May 05, 2019 07:31 PM (sdz//)
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That was my thinking as well (just not ONLY neck sizing as some people do.)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 07:19 PM (l7Kbv)
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I full length size everything. Always.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 07:19 PM (l7Kbv)
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I full length size everything. Always.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:32 PM (MVjcR)
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45 I thought you said you were going to have bewbs in the gub thread.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:31 PM (fuK7c)
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Well now that you're here...
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:31 PM (fuK7c)
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Well now that you're here...
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:32 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 05, 2019 07:33 PM (6qErC)
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3. DJT needs to populate ATF with 2A -friendly staff and send the Nosy Nelly agents to Maisie Hirono's house. They can keep busy doing an inventory of her supply of bugfuck crazy.
Posted by: kallisto at May 05, 2019 07:33 PM (3uHwI)
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Oh, the procedure for a first MI CPL (or if yours has expired before you renewed; it's the whole thing over again):
1. Class (~6-8 hours)
2. Course of fire (100 rounds, mixed slow, rapid, offhand, cover, etc)
3. $100 for the county clerk to... do something
4. $15 for fingerprinting at the county Sheriff's office
5. 14-21 days average for the CPL to arrive in the mail. No LEO signoff or review board. If you don't get it back in 45 days, your receipt is as good as a CPL until you do get it.
6. No more NICS checks.
There is an expedited process if you have a protective order out.
1. Class (~6-8 hours)
2. Course of fire (100 rounds, mixed slow, rapid, offhand, cover, etc)
3. $100 for the county clerk to... do something
4. $15 for fingerprinting at the county Sheriff's office
5. 14-21 days average for the CPL to arrive in the mail. No LEO signoff or review board. If you don't get it back in 45 days, your receipt is as good as a CPL until you do get it.
6. No more NICS checks.
There is an expedited process if you have a protective order out.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)
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Ok, finally got it all it.
Ref the MP15.
Thinking about getting the Bushnell Banner 4-16x40mm Riflescope with CF500 SFP Reticle.
Is a QD mount for the pic rail the way to go to mount it? I think it's nice to be able to take the scope off, put it back and not have to re-zero it. I might prefer to use the built in peep sights at close range.
If a QD mount *is* the way go, any suggestion on which one?
(I'll mainly use the gun for shooting targets from 100-300 yards)
Ref the MP15.
Thinking about getting the Bushnell Banner 4-16x40mm Riflescope with CF500 SFP Reticle.
Is a QD mount for the pic rail the way to go to mount it? I think it's nice to be able to take the scope off, put it back and not have to re-zero it. I might prefer to use the built in peep sights at close range.
If a QD mount *is* the way go, any suggestion on which one?
(I'll mainly use the gun for shooting targets from 100-300 yards)
Posted by: ArthurK at May 05, 2019 07:35 PM (sdz//)
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:37 PM (QDnY+)
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If a QD mount *is* the way go, any suggestion on which one?
(I'll mainly use the gun for shooting targets from 100-300 yards)
Posted by: ArthurK at May 05, 2019 07:35 PM (sdz//)
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Honestly, I've never used a QD mount so I can't be much help. All of my scopes are bolted down and torqued.
Anyone?
(I'll mainly use the gun for shooting targets from 100-300 yards)
Posted by: ArthurK at May 05, 2019 07:35 PM (sdz//)
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Honestly, I've never used a QD mount so I can't be much help. All of my scopes are bolted down and torqued.
Anyone?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:37 PM (MVjcR)
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Virginia CCL:
download and fill out form
bring to courthouse with photo id, a fairly small check, and proof of hunter safety course or equivalent.
wait 3 weeks and open mail.
download and fill out form
bring to courthouse with photo id, a fairly small check, and proof of hunter safety course or equivalent.
wait 3 weeks and open mail.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 05, 2019 07:38 PM (FTlwv)
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Can't go wrong with a LaRue QD. Kind pricey, tho.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 05, 2019 07:39 PM (EgshT)
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kinda
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 05, 2019 07:39 PM (EgshT)
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at May 05, 2019 07:40 PM (gSgAd)
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There is also some talk about making Michigan a constitutional carry state soon-ish, but with the CPL as an option since most (all?) states require a CPL for reciprocity.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:41 PM (t+qrx)
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56 Can't go wrong with a LaRue QD. Kind pricey, tho.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 05, 2019 07:39 PM (EgshT)
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Here's a little piece of free advice... don't go cheap on a base and rings. I've seen guys with custom built rifles and a $2,000 scope put them together with $25 rings. This is not the place to save money!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 05, 2019 07:39 PM (EgshT)
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Here's a little piece of free advice... don't go cheap on a base and rings. I've seen guys with custom built rifles and a $2,000 scope put them together with $25 rings. This is not the place to save money!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:42 PM (MVjcR)
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Hmmm. I use digital calipers, and they work fine. But I don't do precision reloading.
JTB, I use Imperial Sizing Wax, and also (for 30-06) the Lee lube. The Lee came along with some of my set-up when I bought it (used), works fine. I plan to use it up, and then move to one a them home-brew lube sprays (lanolin and alcohol) for 30-06 and .223 brass (when I finally build an AR). I use the Imperial for handgun calibers that require it - at the moment only 9mikemike, and 30 carbine (basically a handgun-type round).
I bought some of that fancy graphite to dip the neck into for the 30-06, next time I do brass prep (think it's made by Imperial, too).
JTB, I use Imperial Sizing Wax, and also (for 30-06) the Lee lube. The Lee came along with some of my set-up when I bought it (used), works fine. I plan to use it up, and then move to one a them home-brew lube sprays (lanolin and alcohol) for 30-06 and .223 brass (when I finally build an AR). I use the Imperial for handgun calibers that require it - at the moment only 9mikemike, and 30 carbine (basically a handgun-type round).
I bought some of that fancy graphite to dip the neck into for the 30-06, next time I do brass prep (think it's made by Imperial, too).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (QDnY+)
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How difficult is it for you to obtain your permit or renewal? Do you think it's a reasonable procedure? How about the wait time and cost for the processing?
Connecticut. NRA course (app. $130), then $270 and eight months.
Connecticut. NRA course (app. $130), then $270 and eight months.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (MVjcR)
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WI CCL:
Take class, 4 hours
Submit paperwork and $40
Watch mailbox
I took the class on Saturday, used the AG's Online Application site that night, had the license in hand Thursday.
Dunno what's gonna happen with the new communist AG in charge, guess we'll see what we see ...
Take class, 4 hours
Submit paperwork and $40
Watch mailbox
I took the class on Saturday, used the AG's Online Application site that night, had the license in hand Thursday.
Dunno what's gonna happen with the new communist AG in charge, guess we'll see what we see ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez asks,who is painting these concentric circles on my back all the time ? at May 05, 2019 07:44 PM (isI7q)
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Krazyfornia ccw: haahaha
Kalifornia dreamin'
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at May 05, 2019 07:40 PM (gSgAd)
Some CA County Sheriffs will issue a CCW if you give a big enough donation to their campaigns.
Or at least that's what lawsuits have claimed.
Kalifornia dreamin'
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at May 05, 2019 07:40 PM (gSgAd)
Some CA County Sheriffs will issue a CCW if you give a big enough donation to their campaigns.
Or at least that's what lawsuits have claimed.
Posted by: Surfperch at May 05, 2019 07:45 PM (tVQUs)
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Shot the 1866 a few times last duty day - was as nice as expected. Sucker's heavy, so 45 Colt is de minimis recoil, barely any really. The silhouette match I'm hoping to use it for was today (1st Sunday of the month), but I haven't really sighted it in (that is, become accustomed to the sight picture and how to shoot it), so waiting til next month.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:45 PM (QDnY+)
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I bought some of that fancy graphite to dip the neck into for the 30-06, next time I do brass prep (think it's made by Imperial, too).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (QDnY+)
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I use Imperial wax, too. And the graphite makes an unholy mess but I use it for all of my match reloads.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (QDnY+)
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I use Imperial wax, too. And the graphite makes an unholy mess but I use it for all of my match reloads.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)
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Had a round jam in one of my 1911. Factory reload, one side of the case was completely torn off. Glad it jammed, because I'd really have hated to jam a bullet in the barrel from the primer going off.
Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at May 05, 2019 07:45 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:46 PM (fuK7c)
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Here's a little piece of free advice... don't go cheap on a base and rings.
Absolutely true. You don't put the manger's special from Tire Barn on a Lamborghini.
Absolutely true. You don't put the manger's special from Tire Barn on a Lamborghini.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 05, 2019 07:46 PM (EgshT)
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Connecticut. NRA course (app. $130), then $270 and eight months.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (fuK7c)
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good grief.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (fuK7c)
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good grief.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:46 PM (MVjcR)
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Thanks for everything you do Mr. Weasel!
My Hornady Lock & Load Classic kit arrived last week... $250 from Midway. Setup will need to wait for the bench to be built on my next days off. Still need to purchase dies, upgraded scale and the other necessary bits and pieces, but I plan on making those purchases from a local reloading shop. Can't wait to get it all set up!
My Hornady Lock & Load Classic kit arrived last week... $250 from Midway. Setup will need to wait for the bench to be built on my next days off. Still need to purchase dies, upgraded scale and the other necessary bits and pieces, but I plan on making those purchases from a local reloading shop. Can't wait to get it all set up!
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at May 05, 2019 07:47 PM (TxK3O)
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Texas increased the time between renewal and also the time requirement to requalify.
I prefer licensing but you can't logically argue against constitutional carry.
I prefer licensing but you can't logically argue against constitutional carry.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 05, 2019 07:47 PM (2DOZq)
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Oh, and it is drivers-license like, but no picture.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez asks,who is painting these concentric circles on my back all the time ? at May 05, 2019 07:48 PM (isI7q)
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San Diego sheriff's been issuing permits since last November, when his opponent made "shall issue" his prime campaign issue. Still think there's some dancing about "good cause", which was the whole point, but many of the gun nutz I shoot matches with have their permits now. Not sure if Orange County is still shall-issue - the sheriff there (a woman, an immigrant, and a real American who cleverly defied Sacramento on ICE-related issues) went shall-issue right after the first (3-judge panel) concealed-carry decision at the 9th Circuit a few years back.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:48 PM (QDnY+)
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I have bought bulk commercial ammo in the past, pistol and rifle, when on sale and IF the reviews are decent. But there is no brand loyalty beyond that.
I have gotten fussy about 22lr. So far the best I've found without going to very expensive stuff is CCI Bl*zer 40 grain lead bullet ammo, standard velocity.It has performed well in single shots, semi-autos and revolvers. It has the advantage of being on the low price end.
I have gotten fussy about 22lr. So far the best I've found without going to very expensive stuff is CCI Bl*zer 40 grain lead bullet ammo, standard velocity.It has performed well in single shots, semi-autos and revolvers. It has the advantage of being on the low price end.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 07:49 PM (bmdz3)
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I use Imperial wax, too. And the graphite makes an unholy mess but I use it for all of my match reloads.
What ever happened to graphite coated bullets? Was that just a fad? I remember seeing it a lot in Precision Shooting so I guess it was a thing with the bench rest crowd.
What ever happened to graphite coated bullets? Was that just a fad? I remember seeing it a lot in Precision Shooting so I guess it was a thing with the bench rest crowd.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 07:50 PM (qc+VF)
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Thanks for everything you do Mr. Weasel!
My Hornady Lock & Load Classic kit arrived last week... $250 from Midway. Setup will need to wait for the bench to be built on my next days off. Still need to purchase dies, upgraded scale and the other necessary bits and pieces, but I plan on making those purchases from a local reloading shop. Can't wait to get it all set up!
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at May 05, 2019 07:47 PM (TxK3O)
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OUTSTANDING! Congratulations!! Drop me a line if you have any questions and I'll be happy to try and help.
My Hornady Lock & Load Classic kit arrived last week... $250 from Midway. Setup will need to wait for the bench to be built on my next days off. Still need to purchase dies, upgraded scale and the other necessary bits and pieces, but I plan on making those purchases from a local reloading shop. Can't wait to get it all set up!
Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at May 05, 2019 07:47 PM (TxK3O)
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OUTSTANDING! Congratulations!! Drop me a line if you have any questions and I'll be happy to try and help.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:51 PM (MVjcR)
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Gun Thread Reloading Test: Who can spot the problem with this fired case?
Forgive a non-reloader, I can see the problem, but not the near-disaster. With the cartridge held snugly in the chamber, can't see how that crack propagates back to the breech.
Forgive a non-reloader, I can see the problem, but not the near-disaster. With the cartridge held snugly in the chamber, can't see how that crack propagates back to the breech.
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2019 07:52 PM (YPJrZ)
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Slap a little JB Weld on that fractured, distorted case and it will be good as new.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 05, 2019 07:53 PM (/jZjK)
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I use Imperial wax, too. And the graphite makes an unholy mess but I use it for all of my match reloads.
What ever happened to graphite coated bullets? Was that just a fad? I remember seeing it a lot in Precision Shooting so I guess it was a thing with the bench rest crowd.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 07:50 PM (qc+VF)
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There was some sort of moly coating that was fad-ish a few years ago. I have only seen one person (out of many hundreds) use it, and that didn't last long. I think he was being sponsored by the manufacturer.
What ever happened to graphite coated bullets? Was that just a fad? I remember seeing it a lot in Precision Shooting so I guess it was a thing with the bench rest crowd.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 07:50 PM (qc+VF)
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There was some sort of moly coating that was fad-ish a few years ago. I have only seen one person (out of many hundreds) use it, and that didn't last long. I think he was being sponsored by the manufacturer.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:54 PM (MVjcR)
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Moly coating, that was it. I was mis-remembering. Thanks for the correction.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 07:55 PM (qc+VF)
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I used to buy whatever ammo was cheapest for my range pistol practice, but after some bad experience, have upped my standards. I noticed that the defensive ammo always seems to work right.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 05, 2019 07:55 PM (RBFmA)
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I don't think there's an one correct or safe way when it comes to batch loading.
I do batch loading only for 30-06 - a high-pressure round where the charge matters quite a bit (not just safety, but this is for the M-1, which has a correct pressure range to operate properly). But it's sort of natural to batch-load that caliber - every other step (sort of laborious) is batch-structured: resizing and trimming, fixing the @*$+@@#! extraction rims so they'll work with the shellholder (M-1s murder the brass), priming and then checking carefully (again, with an M-1, primer depth is more important than with other guns/calibers I shoot).
But for most everything else, I load low to mid-level charges, in low-pressure calibers, and visually check each charge as I process the round on the turret (also do spot checks - but the Lee Auto-Drum is *so* consistent, I have gone from Weasel's every-10th-round to every 20th-round, or of course whenever I visually detect/suspect some anomaly). So my safety margin is still excellent, without batch loading.
One pain: very light loads I do for snub-nose revolvers, using .357 brass. Can't see the powder, have to remove each case after charging and look down in.
Opposite case: using Trail Boss, which was designed to be voluminous, as it's primarily intended for what were originally black powder calibers (big charges). A "double charge" with that would cover the press with powder, not just overflow a bit. And it's easy to see your "case fill".
I do batch loading only for 30-06 - a high-pressure round where the charge matters quite a bit (not just safety, but this is for the M-1, which has a correct pressure range to operate properly). But it's sort of natural to batch-load that caliber - every other step (sort of laborious) is batch-structured: resizing and trimming, fixing the @*$+@@#! extraction rims so they'll work with the shellholder (M-1s murder the brass), priming and then checking carefully (again, with an M-1, primer depth is more important than with other guns/calibers I shoot).
But for most everything else, I load low to mid-level charges, in low-pressure calibers, and visually check each charge as I process the round on the turret (also do spot checks - but the Lee Auto-Drum is *so* consistent, I have gone from Weasel's every-10th-round to every 20th-round, or of course whenever I visually detect/suspect some anomaly). So my safety margin is still excellent, without batch loading.
One pain: very light loads I do for snub-nose revolvers, using .357 brass. Can't see the powder, have to remove each case after charging and look down in.
Opposite case: using Trail Boss, which was designed to be voluminous, as it's primarily intended for what were originally black powder calibers (big charges). A "double charge" with that would cover the press with powder, not just overflow a bit. And it's easy to see your "case fill".
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:56 PM (QDnY+)
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Forgive a non-reloader, I can see the problem, but not the near-disaster. With the cartridge held snugly in the chamber, can't see how that crack propagates back to the breech.
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2019 07:52 PM (YPJrZ)
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It wasn't really a near disaster. I was being a comedian.
Forgive a non-reloader, I can see the problem, but not the near-disaster. With the cartridge held snugly in the chamber, can't see how that crack propagates back to the breech.
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2019 07:52 PM (YPJrZ)
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It wasn't really a near disaster. I was being a comedian.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:56 PM (MVjcR)
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How difficult is it for you to obtain your permit or renewal? Do you think it's a reasonable procedure? How about the wait time and cost for the processing?
My county, Brunswick, NC, is very pro-active regarding concealed carry permits. When mine was last up for renewal in July, I received a call from the sheriffs office in March. She told me that the backlog for renewals was growing and she could renew mine then so to avoid any delay in July. Never hear of anyone being hassled over the permits either in original application or renewals.
My county, Brunswick, NC, is very pro-active regarding concealed carry permits. When mine was last up for renewal in July, I received a call from the sheriffs office in March. She told me that the backlog for renewals was growing and she could renew mine then so to avoid any delay in July. Never hear of anyone being hassled over the permits either in original application or renewals.
Posted by: Agitator at May 05, 2019 07:56 PM (m9DnX)
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Sent a nice letter to Representative Dan Crenshaw pointing out that while the Democrats use Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1 as their Constitutional authority to write "gun control" legislation under the "general welfare" clause, that the Bill of rights amends the text of the Constitution, and the "shall not be infringed" part of the second amendment, takes that authority away from the "general Welfare" clause. A lawyer at the Dojo, where I teach, read my letter and said that it read like a Constitutional law course he took, and that I was right.
I suggested that the Congressman raise a point of order objection to their quoted authority being read into the Congressional Record the next time the Democrats try to pass "gun control" legislation.
I suggested that the Congressman raise a point of order objection to their quoted authority being read into the Congressional Record the next time the Democrats try to pass "gun control" legislation.
Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 07:57 PM (n7Z3n)
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I have gotten fussy about 22lr.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 07:49 PM (bmdz3)
Oh, definitely. CCI Mini-mag for life.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 07:49 PM (bmdz3)
Oh, definitely. CCI Mini-mag for life.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:58 PM (t+qrx)
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Glen, my condolences on your illness, I mean, er, welcome to the brotherhood!
A very true cliche one reads is that reloading is an enjoyable part of the hobby all in itself.
It is.
A very true cliche one reads is that reloading is an enjoyable part of the hobby all in itself.
It is.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 07:59 PM (QDnY+)
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Y'all are into training anti-patterns.
That is, during the Zombie Apocalypse (ZA) the ammo caches that you will find, or the weapons lifted from the first and second wave deaths aren't going to be these nice well prepared and carefully selected and loaded rounds.
The best way to prepare for the ZA is to randomly load different charges with different components. Use some magnum primers every now and then, change and mix up powders and make sure that the projectiles are different shapes and weights.
Make the rounds in a highly disruptive environment, bring in your drunk friends and load up rounds that way the ammo truly is random and you don't anticipate what will come out when fired.
Then go to the range, dump all of the rounds into a bucket, shake it up and then start loading magazines. Shoot at a target, when magazine is empty run to the target then run back grab ammo out of the bucket and load up a magazine and do another set.
This is how you prepare for the day when you are on the run and must get your ammo wherever it is found.
Shooting consistent and well crafted rounds... unless you are doing a lame competition or something.
We must train in the way that we will fight. Those Zombies are not going to respect your ammo preferences.
That is, during the Zombie Apocalypse (ZA) the ammo caches that you will find, or the weapons lifted from the first and second wave deaths aren't going to be these nice well prepared and carefully selected and loaded rounds.
The best way to prepare for the ZA is to randomly load different charges with different components. Use some magnum primers every now and then, change and mix up powders and make sure that the projectiles are different shapes and weights.
Make the rounds in a highly disruptive environment, bring in your drunk friends and load up rounds that way the ammo truly is random and you don't anticipate what will come out when fired.
Then go to the range, dump all of the rounds into a bucket, shake it up and then start loading magazines. Shoot at a target, when magazine is empty run to the target then run back grab ammo out of the bucket and load up a magazine and do another set.
This is how you prepare for the day when you are on the run and must get your ammo wherever it is found.
Shooting consistent and well crafted rounds... unless you are doing a lame competition or something.
We must train in the way that we will fight. Those Zombies are not going to respect your ammo preferences.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:01 PM (lD3vL)
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8 I have gotten fussy about 22lr.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 07:49 PM (bmdz3)
Oh, definitely. CCI Mini-mag for life.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:58 PM (t+qrx)
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An old friend of mine from work retired and moved to Texas. He didn't want to move his safe or all the 22LR he'd accumulated, so he gave it all to me. The safe, and about 25,000 rounds of .22LR.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 07:49 PM (bmdz3)
Oh, definitely. CCI Mini-mag for life.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 07:58 PM (t+qrx)
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An old friend of mine from work retired and moved to Texas. He didn't want to move his safe or all the 22LR he'd accumulated, so he gave it all to me. The safe, and about 25,000 rounds of .22LR.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)
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As I have said before while I batch prep cases, I weigh my powder, load it into a cartridge then press the bullet in the cases one at a time. This prevents double loads and primer only no loads - which are also dangerous as they can jam a bullet in a barrel.
Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 08:03 PM (n7Z3n)
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One suggestion: If you need a dimension of, say, .3785" (4 valid digits), use a tenths micrometer to make the measurement. Dial calipers are only good to 3 digits.
One suggestion: If you need a dimension of, say, .3785" (4 valid digits), use a tenths micrometer to make the measurement. Dial calipers are only good to 3 digits.
Posted by: Arbalest at May 05, 2019 08:03 PM (FlRtG)
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Weasel,
Glad you showed the split case. I'm a bit OCD about damaged cases. I inspect them at least twice by eye and touch as I go through the reloading steps. My motto is "When in doubt, throw it out".
Since most of my reloads are in the mild to medium power range, the brass tends to last for a lot of loadings but I don't rely on that.
Glad you showed the split case. I'm a bit OCD about damaged cases. I inspect them at least twice by eye and touch as I go through the reloading steps. My motto is "When in doubt, throw it out".
Since most of my reloads are in the mild to medium power range, the brass tends to last for a lot of loadings but I don't rely on that.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 08:05 PM (bmdz3)
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Y'all are into training anti-patterns.
That is, during the Zombie Apocalypse (ZA) the ammo caches that you will find, or the weapons lifted from the first and second wave deaths aren't going to be these nice well prepared and carefully selected and loaded rounds.
The best way to prepare for the ZA is to randomly load different charges with different components. Use some magnum primers every now and then, change and mix up powders and make sure that the projectiles are different shapes and weights.
Make the rounds in a highly disruptive environment, bring in your drunk friends and load up rounds that way the ammo truly is random and you don't anticipate what will come out when fired.
Then go to the range, dump all of the rounds into a bucket, shake it up and then start loading magazines. Shoot at a target, when magazine is empty run to the target then run back grab ammo out of the bucket and load up a magazine and do another set.
This is how you prepare for the day when you are on the run and must get your ammo wherever it is found.
Shooting consistent and well crafted rounds... unless you are doing a lame competition or something.
We must train in the way that we will fight. Those Zombies are not going to respect your ammo preferences.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:01 PM (lD3vL)
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I'm assuming you're joking, but for the new reloaders I strongly recommend against mixing powder and primers. It's a very bad idea.
That is, during the Zombie Apocalypse (ZA) the ammo caches that you will find, or the weapons lifted from the first and second wave deaths aren't going to be these nice well prepared and carefully selected and loaded rounds.
The best way to prepare for the ZA is to randomly load different charges with different components. Use some magnum primers every now and then, change and mix up powders and make sure that the projectiles are different shapes and weights.
Make the rounds in a highly disruptive environment, bring in your drunk friends and load up rounds that way the ammo truly is random and you don't anticipate what will come out when fired.
Then go to the range, dump all of the rounds into a bucket, shake it up and then start loading magazines. Shoot at a target, when magazine is empty run to the target then run back grab ammo out of the bucket and load up a magazine and do another set.
This is how you prepare for the day when you are on the run and must get your ammo wherever it is found.
Shooting consistent and well crafted rounds... unless you are doing a lame competition or something.
We must train in the way that we will fight. Those Zombies are not going to respect your ammo preferences.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:01 PM (lD3vL)
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I'm assuming you're joking, but for the new reloaders I strongly recommend against mixing powder and primers. It's a very bad idea.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)
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An old friend of mine from work retired and moved to Texas. He didn't want to move his safe or all the 22LR he'd accumulated, so he gave it all to me. The safe, and about 25,000 rounds of .22LR.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)
It sounds like a lot, but at one round per second, that's only enough to fire for around seven hours straight.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)
It sounds like a lot, but at one round per second, that's only enough to fire for around seven hours straight.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 08:06 PM (t+qrx)
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Seems to me all these states requiring ID for weapons permits are just to keep minorities who can't get IDs from getting permits
Posted by: Skip at May 05, 2019 08:06 PM (BbGew)
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Actually will be selling a gun for the first time. It's my "extra" Mosin-Nagant, I sort of impulse-bought it just before CA law was about to change, making one's C ampersand R FFL-03 license less useful/fun (no more home delivery of rifles). Bought it in December just before new law kicked in. And there was a mix-up with the very nice guy at J and G Sales, it's a 1929, not a 1927 or before, which has the elaborate rollmark/arsenal stamp I was looking for.
So selling to a local, along with a spam can from my rather large stockpile of Soviet surplus ammo. Nice appreciation on both, price wise, but not the point (and still below current market for both). Leaves me with several of the type, and tons of ammo.
So selling to a local, along with a spam can from my rather large stockpile of Soviet surplus ammo. Nice appreciation on both, price wise, but not the point (and still below current market for both). Leaves me with several of the type, and tons of ammo.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:06 PM (QDnY+)
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"and give $52 to the snotty-ass clerk of the court"
Virginia law requires it not be more than $50, I'm pretty sure. Someone is shivving you.
Virginia law requires it not be more than $50, I'm pretty sure. Someone is shivving you.
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (7kVu3)
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I really appreciate all the effort you're putting into teaching reloading, Weasel!!
I'm just wondering if I should hold off on putting a lot of time and effort into learning until I finally have my own place to live someday. I don't have room where I'm at now, and at the rate I'm going I wonder if it'll ever happen.
Also wanted to share with those coming to the CenTexMoMee that I'll have all my babies there with me, so those of you who are flying in and/or gunless upon arrival will still have a bit of a menagerie to choose from for your enjoyment.
I'm just wondering if I should hold off on putting a lot of time and effort into learning until I finally have my own place to live someday. I don't have room where I'm at now, and at the rate I'm going I wonder if it'll ever happen.
Also wanted to share with those coming to the CenTexMoMee that I'll have all my babies there with me, so those of you who are flying in and/or gunless upon arrival will still have a bit of a menagerie to choose from for your enjoyment.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (q00NO)
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Weasel,
Glad you showed the split case. I'm a bit OCD about damaged cases. I inspect them at least twice by eye and touch as I go through the reloading steps. My motto is "When in doubt, throw it out".
Since most of my reloads are in the mild to medium power range, the brass tends to last for a lot of loadings but I don't rely on that.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 08:05 PM (bmdz3)
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I kept that because it's such an extreme example! It's also easy to let a split neck get by, so inspect carefully!
Glad you showed the split case. I'm a bit OCD about damaged cases. I inspect them at least twice by eye and touch as I go through the reloading steps. My motto is "When in doubt, throw it out".
Since most of my reloads are in the mild to medium power range, the brass tends to last for a lot of loadings but I don't rely on that.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 08:05 PM (bmdz3)
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I kept that because it's such an extreme example! It's also easy to let a split neck get by, so inspect carefully!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (MVjcR)
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I've always thought Midway's shipping was sort of steep, but often they're the only one who has what I'm looking for.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)
Yup......Midway has come thru for me a time or two when I just could not find a part or accessory anywhere else.
Good people.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)
Yup......Midway has come thru for me a time or two when I just could not find a part or accessory anywhere else.
Good people.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 05, 2019 08:08 PM (Z+IKu)
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I'm assuming you're joking, but for the new reloaders I strongly recommend against mixing powder and primers. It's a very bad idea.
Yeah, since I took every single one of your time proven techniques and processes and turned them upside down.
The above prescribed methods for the Zombie Apocalypse are the quickest way to make the ONTDarwin Genius Awards.
Yeah, since I took every single one of your time proven techniques and processes and turned them upside down.
The above prescribed methods for the Zombie Apocalypse are the quickest way to make the ONT
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:08 PM (lD3vL)
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"and give $52 to the snotty-ass clerk of the court"
Virginia law requires it not be more than $50, I'm pretty sure. Someone is shivving you.
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (7kVu3)
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I seem to recall that. I'll look at the receipt but it was $50 + $2 for some BS court fee.
Virginia law requires it not be more than $50, I'm pretty sure. Someone is shivving you.
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (7kVu3)
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I seem to recall that. I'll look at the receipt but it was $50 + $2 for some BS court fee.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:09 PM (MVjcR)
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(...)so those of you who are flying in and/or gunless upon arrival will still have a bit of a menagerie to choose from for your enjoyment.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (q00NO)
God's work, Emperor Country Boy.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (q00NO)
God's work, Emperor Country Boy.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 08:09 PM (t+qrx)
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We must train in the way that we will fight. Those Zombies are not going to respect your ammo preferences.
All my 300 Win Mag loads are designed to give a Zombie a very bad day from 1/2 a mile away. I'm too old and too slow to be running around in the middle of a firefight with a 5.56. Overwatch is more my game. That requires precision ammo, and loads that will do what I want them to do.
All my 300 Win Mag loads are designed to give a Zombie a very bad day from 1/2 a mile away. I'm too old and too slow to be running around in the middle of a firefight with a 5.56. Overwatch is more my game. That requires precision ammo, and loads that will do what I want them to do.
Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 08:09 PM (n7Z3n)
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Weasel I'll add you to the hate list.
One of my fellow ROs at duty day is the recipient, it seems, of a non-stop series of gifts or deep deep discounted gun deals. It's ridiculous. He seems to have lots of neighbors who give away guns (and he lives in the hills). Another occasional RO my day sometimes carries an S and W Model 66, no-dash, that doesn't even have a turn-line on the cylinder. Free gift from a neighbor.
One of my fellow ROs at duty day is the recipient, it seems, of a non-stop series of gifts or deep deep discounted gun deals. It's ridiculous. He seems to have lots of neighbors who give away guns (and he lives in the hills). Another occasional RO my day sometimes carries an S and W Model 66, no-dash, that doesn't even have a turn-line on the cylinder. Free gift from a neighbor.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:09 PM (QDnY+)
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Yeah, since I took every single one of your time proven techniques and processes and turned them upside down.
The above prescribed methods for the Zombie Apocalypse are the quickest way to make the ONT Darwin Genius Awards.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:08 PM (lD3vL)
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I figured as much!! You going to TX again this fall?
The above prescribed methods for the Zombie Apocalypse are the quickest way to make the ONT Darwin Genius Awards.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:08 PM (lD3vL)
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I figured as much!! You going to TX again this fall?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)
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Dial calipers are only good to 3 digits.
And even for that, it depends on your technique. (How's it going, Arbalest?)
What's the actual tolerance one would need? We use calipers when we want to ensure +/- 5. You absolutely need a mic if that third digit is multo critical.
And even for that, it depends on your technique. (How's it going, Arbalest?)
What's the actual tolerance one would need? We use calipers when we want to ensure +/- 5. You absolutely need a mic if that third digit is multo critical.
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2019 08:10 PM (5h/3t)
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Country Boy, I got your email and will answer here shortly but your generosity made me think about having to have extra ammo on hand.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 08:10 PM (k16aq)
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missed last week's gub thread: i was at the horsepistol visiting and checking on my Dad...
things got *really* sporty this week, and i have a serious amount of medical ass i have to kick in the coming days.... i'd be pissed at the incompetence even if the patient *wasn't* family.
things got *really* sporty this week, and i have a serious amount of medical ass i have to kick in the coming days.... i'd be pissed at the incompetence even if the patient *wasn't* family.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 08:11 PM (7MHcp)
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Glad you showed the split case. I'm a bit OCD about damaged cases.
About damaged cases... Some bullpups will routinely dent ejected cases, assuming that the cases can be run through some dies, what kind of trouble, if any, am I looking at?
About damaged cases... Some bullpups will routinely dent ejected cases, assuming that the cases can be run through some dies, what kind of trouble, if any, am I looking at?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:11 PM (lD3vL)
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91 ... "An old friend of mine from work retired and moved to Texas. He didn't want to move his safe or all the 22LR he'd accumulated, so he gave it all to me. The safe, and about 25,000 rounds of .22LR."
Damn Weasel, and I thought I had a shit ton of 22lr. Congrats on receiving the largesse but sorry your old buddy moved away.
Damn Weasel, and I thought I had a shit ton of 22lr. Congrats on receiving the largesse but sorry your old buddy moved away.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 08:12 PM (bmdz3)
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7 Weasel I'll add you to the hate list.
One of my fellow ROs at duty day is the recipient, it seems, of a non-stop series of gifts or deep deep discounted gun deals. It's ridiculous. He seems to have lots of neighbors who give away guns (and he lives in the hills). Another occasional RO my day sometimes carries an S and W Model 66, no-dash, that doesn't even have a turn-line on the cylinder. Free gift from a neighbor.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:09 PM (QDnY+)
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This guy was a great work and shooting buddy. A Texas lawman turned FBI Agent. Old school. Very good guy!!
One of my fellow ROs at duty day is the recipient, it seems, of a non-stop series of gifts or deep deep discounted gun deals. It's ridiculous. He seems to have lots of neighbors who give away guns (and he lives in the hills). Another occasional RO my day sometimes carries an S and W Model 66, no-dash, that doesn't even have a turn-line on the cylinder. Free gift from a neighbor.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:09 PM (QDnY+)
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This guy was a great work and shooting buddy. A Texas lawman turned FBI Agent. Old school. Very good guy!!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:12 PM (MVjcR)
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Connecticut. NRA course (app. $130), then $270 and eight months.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (fuK7c)
I'm looking at getting an out of state permit for CT. I'm the only one of my family who reached escape velocity from CT (thank you US Army), but I do wish to go and visit said family.
Just not disarmed. I have a Kimber 1911 that would be perfect for such a visit. Spouse has her Smith 327 for such an event (CT rules on ammo capacity are an affront to the US Constitution.)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (fuK7c)
I'm looking at getting an out of state permit for CT. I'm the only one of my family who reached escape velocity from CT (thank you US Army), but I do wish to go and visit said family.
Just not disarmed. I have a Kimber 1911 that would be perfect for such a visit. Spouse has her Smith 327 for such an event (CT rules on ammo capacity are an affront to the US Constitution.)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 08:13 PM (l7Kbv)
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I figured as much!! You going to TX again this fall?
Even worse, Ben Had said that there might be some extracurricular activities. Can't miss that.
Even worse, Ben Had said that there might be some extracurricular activities. Can't miss that.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:13 PM (lD3vL)
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Seems to me all these states requiring ID for weapons permits are just to keep minorities who can't get IDs from getting permits
I think it's to add you to 'The List'.
I think it's to add you to 'The List'.
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2019 08:13 PM (yAc+w)
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Country Boy, I got your email and will answer here shortly but your generosity made me think about having to have extra ammo on hand.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 08:10 PM (k16aq)
Oh hi Ben!!
Well my goal was to bring 15,000 with me also, but hey, no such thing as too much!!
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 08:10 PM (k16aq)
Oh hi Ben!!
Well my goal was to bring 15,000 with me also, but hey, no such thing as too much!!
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 05, 2019 08:14 PM (q00NO)
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The safe, and about 25,000 rounds of .22LR."
Oshmans was having a store closing / liquidation sale.
I bought the entire palette and had half the store staff load all of it into the truck. Still have more than I can possibly shoot in one lifetime.
Oshmans was having a store closing / liquidation sale.
I bought the entire palette and had half the store staff load all of it into the truck. Still have more than I can possibly shoot in one lifetime.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:15 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:16 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Arbalest at May 05, 2019 08:16 PM (FlRtG)
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Country Boy, I will cover that with you in my email.
Brody has a new friend that you will really like.
Brody has a new friend that you will really like.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 08:16 PM (k16aq)
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Just got here. Must read post and thread.
But first, Weasel:
Where are the training bra pics?!?!
But first, Weasel:
Where are the training bra pics?!?!
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:17 PM (hS1+m)
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Seems to me all these states requiring ID for weapons permits are just to keep minorities who can't get IDs from getting permits
That is exactly the reason Democrats passed the original gun laws.
That is exactly the reason Democrats passed the original gun laws.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:17 PM (lD3vL)
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About damaged cases... Some bullpups will routinely dent ejected cases, assuming that the cases can be run through some dies, what kind of trouble, if any, am I looking at?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:11 PM (lD3vL)
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As long as not ridiculous, you should be OK. Using excessive cast lube can cause shoulder dents which pop out the next time the case is fired.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:11 PM (lD3vL)
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As long as not ridiculous, you should be OK. Using excessive cast lube can cause shoulder dents which pop out the next time the case is fired.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)
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If you run a simulation in Quick Load you will find, much to your surprise, that the lower friction that moly coating bullets provides usually lowers the muzzle velocity of the bullet. The increased friction of a non coated bullet gives a little more time for the powder to burn at high pressure at the start of the burn, and that in turn gives a higher muzzle velocity. Who wouda thunk it?
Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 08:19 PM (n7Z3n)
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I bought the entire palette and had half the store staff load all of it into the truck. Still have more than I can possibly shoot in one lifetime.
We are giving this guy a WIDE berth!
We are giving this guy a WIDE berth!
Posted by: A Division of Squirrels at May 05, 2019 08:19 PM (YPJrZ)
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116 I figured as much!! You going to TX again this fall?
Even worse, Ben Had said that there might be some extracurricular activities. Can't miss that.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:13 PM (lD3vL)
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good!
Even worse, Ben Had said that there might be some extracurricular activities. Can't miss that.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 05, 2019 08:13 PM (lD3vL)
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good!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:19 PM (MVjcR)
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Brody has a new friend that you will really like.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 08:16 PM (k16aq)
I love Brody. Reminds me of my baby I had for a long time. Look forward to seeing both.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 08:16 PM (k16aq)
I love Brody. Reminds me of my baby I had for a long time. Look forward to seeing both.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 05, 2019 08:19 PM (q00NO)
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3 Just got here. Must read post and thread.
But first, Weasel:
Where are the training bra pics?!?!
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:17 PM (hS1+m)
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Man, you talk about not thinking something through!!
But first, Weasel:
Where are the training bra pics?!?!
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:17 PM (hS1+m)
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Man, you talk about not thinking something through!!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:20 PM (MVjcR)
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Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 08:19 PM (n7Z3n)
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QuickLoad is a great tool, isn't it?
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QuickLoad is a great tool, isn't it?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:21 PM (MVjcR)
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Long time, no read. I abide. How about yourself?
Posted by: Arbalest
Had to move back East. Not as bad as I feared and, in hindsight, a great relief to leave the Bay.
Posted by: Arbalest
Had to move back East. Not as bad as I feared and, in hindsight, a great relief to leave the Bay.
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2019 08:21 PM (bm2af)
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Has anyone tried any of the laser boresight training aids? The kind where you load a laser round and shoot at a target that records hits. Some of them also show your bore tracing around before and after the sear trips, which is supposed to be good for follow-through. Any experience with these?
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 08:22 PM (t+qrx)
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Late again. I was building a boat. But, this isn't the fishing thread, it's the gub thread. And since I've a desire to create other things, and have no immediately ready cash (credit I got), I am letting this or a sister go to a new home (pic in nick email me)
Back in a bit dogs need fed.
McGyver, over
Back in a bit dogs need fed.
McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at May 05, 2019 08:23 PM (gMngZ)
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Has anyone tried any of the laser boresight training aids? The kind where you load a laser round and shoot at a target that records hits. Some of them also show your bore tracing around before and after the sear trips, which is supposed to be good for follow-through. Any experience with these?
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 08:22 PM (t+qrx)
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hogmartin - ibguy has a bigly interest in those and I included some of them in a thread a while back. Some of the more elaborate ones look interesting.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 08:22 PM (t+qrx)
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hogmartin - ibguy has a bigly interest in those and I included some of them in a thread a while back. Some of the more elaborate ones look interesting.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:24 PM (MVjcR)
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100 ... "I'm just wondering if I should hold off on putting a lot of time and effort into learning until I finally have my own place to live someday. I don't have room where I'm at now, and at the rate I'm going I wonder if it'll ever happen."
ECB, If you are just loading for a few calibers the Lee Hand Press might suit you. Everything needed to reload, tools and components, can fit in a not very large box. And it is about as inexpensive a start to the hobby as you will find.
ECB, If you are just loading for a few calibers the Lee Hand Press might suit you. Everything needed to reload, tools and components, can fit in a not very large box. And it is about as inexpensive a start to the hobby as you will find.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 08:25 PM (bmdz3)
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Any else watching The Karate Kid on Movies channel now? The best thing about this channel is that they play the whole movie, bleep or blur out the naught parts but you get the whole thing. I just of boobies during commercials
Posted by: Tinfoulbaby at May 05, 2019 08:25 PM (DE2NF)
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Good point, An Observation. Or, a great "observation", as it were.
This is somewhat counter-intuitive sort of thing that keeps cropping up.
Longer barrel - higher velocity (most people will guess the opposite).
More ski touching the snow - faster. Also not the usual first answer.
This is somewhat counter-intuitive sort of thing that keeps cropping up.
Longer barrel - higher velocity (most people will guess the opposite).
More ski touching the snow - faster. Also not the usual first answer.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:26 PM (QDnY+)
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132 t-bird "Had to move back East.
There's more than a little of that being planned/executed, including me.
132 t-bird "Had to move back East.
There's more than a little of that being planned/executed, including me.
Posted by: Arbalest at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM (FlRtG)
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I have a new Democrat rep that loves him the phrase "weapon of war" but he is fully in support of the 2nd amendment. just waiting to hear his 2020 opposition so I can give them support.
Posted by: tx32 prisoner at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM (1XtI9)
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100 I really appreciate all the effort you're putting into teaching reloading, Weasel!!
I'm just wondering if I should hold off on putting a lot of time and effort into learning until I finally have my own place to live someday. I don't have room where I'm at now, and at the rate I'm going I wonder if it'll ever happen.
Also wanted to share with those coming to the CenTexMoMee that I'll have all my babies there with me, so those of you who are flying in and/or gunless upon arrival will still have a bit of a menagerie to choose from for your enjoyment.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (q00NO)
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I missed this upthread, ECB. You're very welcome, and I will echo JTB's comments. Even with a full size single stage press, it would all break down into a medium size tub.
I'm just wondering if I should hold off on putting a lot of time and effort into learning until I finally have my own place to live someday. I don't have room where I'm at now, and at the rate I'm going I wonder if it'll ever happen.
Also wanted to share with those coming to the CenTexMoMee that I'll have all my babies there with me, so those of you who are flying in and/or gunless upon arrival will still have a bit of a menagerie to choose from for your enjoyment.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (q00NO)
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I missed this upthread, ECB. You're very welcome, and I will echo JTB's comments. Even with a full size single stage press, it would all break down into a medium size tub.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM (MVjcR)
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I also go to some extreme lengths to turn the necks of my match brass on a teensy lathe to make certain the neck wall thickness is uniform. It's a standard step in making precision ammunition.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR
Hey, you never told me about this! Can you post or send pic of unit?
Lathe, Morons, not "unit"!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR
Hey, you never told me about this! Can you post or send pic of unit?
Lathe, Morons, not "unit"!
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM (hS1+m)
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Weasel, I appreciate how you roll. To taper off, how about a post on crimping?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 05, 2019 08:28 PM (DMUuz)
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My worst surplus ammo experience I ever had was with some French 7.5 x 54mm of Syrian manufacture. I acquired about 500 rounds of the stuff cheap about 7 years ago and it was all crap. I believe it was made in the early 1960's.
About 1 in 10 went bang and that was with an occasional hangfire and trying each round 3 or 4 times. It came in little white boxes in the ammo cans and had the arabic script on the outside.
I shot it both in the MAS 36 and MAS 49/56 with the same result.
I don't know if it was improper storage or Israeli sabotage, but I avoid any Syrian ammo for the French rifles from now on. Lots of nice bullets if anyone wants to pull them as I still have about a hundred left that mock me when I am in my rifle room.
Live and learn.
About 1 in 10 went bang and that was with an occasional hangfire and trying each round 3 or 4 times. It came in little white boxes in the ammo cans and had the arabic script on the outside.
I shot it both in the MAS 36 and MAS 49/56 with the same result.
I don't know if it was improper storage or Israeli sabotage, but I avoid any Syrian ammo for the French rifles from now on. Lots of nice bullets if anyone wants to pull them as I still have about a hundred left that mock me when I am in my rifle room.
Live and learn.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 05, 2019 08:28 PM (Z+IKu)
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Also wanted to share with those coming to the CenTexMoMee that I'll have all my babies there with me, so those of you who are flying in and/or gunless upon arrival will still have a bit of a menagerie to choose from for your enjoyment.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (q00NO)
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Oh, and thanks for this. I'm thinking of bringing one of my match guns for people to try.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 05, 2019 08:07 PM (q00NO)
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Oh, and thanks for this. I'm thinking of bringing one of my match guns for people to try.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:28 PM (MVjcR)
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I never, never, never charge a case without immediately seating a bullet. No chance of a double charge that way.
Posted by: ghbucky at May 05, 2019 07:12 PM (D2q91)
I load 50 to 100 rounds of precision 308 weekly. I charge all the cases then seat all of the bullets. I use 4064 and two charges won't fit in the case. If I accidentally double-charge a case. powder runs all over the place so I am motivated to not do that again. I chose that powder partly for that exact reason. When I finish charging a loading block of 50 cases, I visually check every case to see that it has powder and about the right amount of powder then set it aside. Before seating bullets (with a Wilson seater and arbor press) I visually check every case again. My process is good to plus or minus 0.02 grains of powder and I cannot double charge a case.
Many years ago I made up some 300 win mag with 10 grains too much H1000 powder. That is a lot. I had to hammer the bolt open but the gun survived without a change in headspace. I made that mistake with a balance beam scale set one notch off. I now use digital scales - I have a nice collection of them.
YMMV.
Posted by: ghbucky at May 05, 2019 07:12 PM (D2q91)
I load 50 to 100 rounds of precision 308 weekly. I charge all the cases then seat all of the bullets. I use 4064 and two charges won't fit in the case. If I accidentally double-charge a case. powder runs all over the place so I am motivated to not do that again. I chose that powder partly for that exact reason. When I finish charging a loading block of 50 cases, I visually check every case to see that it has powder and about the right amount of powder then set it aside. Before seating bullets (with a Wilson seater and arbor press) I visually check every case again. My process is good to plus or minus 0.02 grains of powder and I cannot double charge a case.
Many years ago I made up some 300 win mag with 10 grains too much H1000 powder. That is a lot. I had to hammer the bolt open but the gun survived without a change in headspace. I made that mistake with a balance beam scale set one notch off. I now use digital scales - I have a nice collection of them.
YMMV.
Posted by: Richard at May 05, 2019 08:30 PM (hUZo5)
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If anyone is the prayer type, my niece, Sadie is in ICU on a ventilator. I'm waiting for a call from her mom on details.
Sorry to go OT.
Sorry to go OT.
Posted by: Infidel at May 05, 2019 08:30 PM (izYMI)
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I also go to some extreme lengths to turn the necks of my match brass on a teensy lathe to make certain the neck wall thickness is uniform. It's a standard step in making precision ammunition.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR
Hey, you never told me about this! Can you post or send pic of unit?
Lathe, Morons, not "unit"!
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM (hS1+m)
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I didn't? Oh. Sorry! It's in the advanced material. We'll have to discuss!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR
Hey, you never told me about this! Can you post or send pic of unit?
Lathe, Morons, not "unit"!
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM (hS1+m)
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I didn't? Oh. Sorry! It's in the advanced material. We'll have to discuss!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:30 PM (MVjcR)
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Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM (hS1+m)
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P.S. start looking for a ball micrometer.
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P.S. start looking for a ball micrometer.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:31 PM (MVjcR)
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hogmartin - ibguy has a bigly interest in those and I included some of them in a thread a while back. Some of the more elaborate ones look interesting.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:24 PM (MVjcR)
Oh thanks, I'll go see if I can track down that thread or catch ibguy around. Yes, there's one that uses a full projector and has interactive scenarios and everything. Then there's the Laserlyte blue guns that shoot the little "steel" targets, and all kinds of systems in between.
I really want something that lets me use my own guns, so I'm building muscle memory and point-shooting on the real ones and not a blue gun. Operation Wolf is excellent training, but good luck finding an arcade that still has a cabinet from 1988. And you might as well just get some real range time for what it'll cost you in quarters.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:24 PM (MVjcR)
Oh thanks, I'll go see if I can track down that thread or catch ibguy around. Yes, there's one that uses a full projector and has interactive scenarios and everything. Then there's the Laserlyte blue guns that shoot the little "steel" targets, and all kinds of systems in between.
I really want something that lets me use my own guns, so I'm building muscle memory and point-shooting on the real ones and not a blue gun. Operation Wolf is excellent training, but good luck finding an arcade that still has a cabinet from 1988. And you might as well just get some real range time for what it'll cost you in quarters.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 08:31 PM (t+qrx)
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I just renewed my LTC online. $42.95. Easy. Use to be 4 times more expensive and you had to take a class every time.
Posted by: lin-duh in keto at May 05, 2019 08:31 PM (UUBmN)
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143 Weasel, I appreciate how you roll. To taper off, how about a post on crimping?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 05, 2019 08:28 PM (DMUuz)
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Sure. Send me an email and tell me what you'd like to know.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 05, 2019 08:28 PM (DMUuz)
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Sure. Send me an email and tell me what you'd like to know.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:32 PM (MVjcR)
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Hey, you never told me about this! Can you post or send pic of unit?
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM
First you want a pic of him wearing his training bra, and then you go straight for a pic of his unit?
Dood. Slow down. Ask him for a pic modeling Maggie's drawers first.
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM
First you want a pic of him wearing his training bra, and then you go straight for a pic of his unit?
Dood. Slow down. Ask him for a pic modeling Maggie's drawers first.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 05, 2019 08:32 PM (DMUuz)
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Evening all.
Been shooting a Winchester 69A that has been deep in the safe since my dad passed away in 2007. If was the first rifle I shot 51 years ago. A Facebook group I belong too helped me figure out the age of the rifle. If was made in 1952.
It's a Winchester Model 69A in .22 S, L, & LR.
Been shooting a Winchester 69A that has been deep in the safe since my dad passed away in 2007. If was the first rifle I shot 51 years ago. A Facebook group I belong too helped me figure out the age of the rifle. If was made in 1952.
It's a Winchester Model 69A in .22 S, L, & LR.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2019 08:32 PM (gPTe0)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez asks,who is painting these concentric circles on my back all the time ? at May 05, 2019 08:34 PM (isI7q)
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QuickLoad is a great tool, isn't it?
Yes it is. Do you know if they have ever got data for the newer Hodgen low temperature coefficient powders like 4955?
Yes it is. Do you know if they have ever got data for the newer Hodgen low temperature coefficient powders like 4955?
Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 08:34 PM (n7Z3n)
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rhomboid covered most of my thoughts above.
A few minor ones though. If you scrounge brass and come up with aluminum or steel cases (best check is with a magnet), these make dandy dummy cartridges that are easy to tell the difference (other than copper wash) between live ammo and them.
Another is make sure if you are dry tumbling to do so outside of your house--the dust from it is pretty nasty which is why you should consider using rhomboid's suggestion about nu car finish plus mineral spirits (odorless) when tumbling.
Three, it is generally easier to use a universal decapping die so that you can set up a cheap single state press to do this prior to tumbling. Once again, do this outdoors if possible to avoid the really nasty lead dust from the primers (lead styphenate) from being in your house and around your reloading bench which is a nasty form of lead compound that is best to keep out of the house. That way, you can get your primer pockets cleaned a bit. If you deprime before tumbling, make sure to clean out the primer hole in the brass which is why some do not like to do this.
A few minor ones though. If you scrounge brass and come up with aluminum or steel cases (best check is with a magnet), these make dandy dummy cartridges that are easy to tell the difference (other than copper wash) between live ammo and them.
Another is make sure if you are dry tumbling to do so outside of your house--the dust from it is pretty nasty which is why you should consider using rhomboid's suggestion about nu car finish plus mineral spirits (odorless) when tumbling.
Three, it is generally easier to use a universal decapping die so that you can set up a cheap single state press to do this prior to tumbling. Once again, do this outdoors if possible to avoid the really nasty lead dust from the primers (lead styphenate) from being in your house and around your reloading bench which is a nasty form of lead compound that is best to keep out of the house. That way, you can get your primer pockets cleaned a bit. If you deprime before tumbling, make sure to clean out the primer hole in the brass which is why some do not like to do this.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 08:34 PM (WT0Md)
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153 Hey, you never told me about this! Can you post or send pic of unit?
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM
First you want a pic of him wearing his training bra, and then you go straight for a pic of his unit?
Dood. Slow down. Ask him for a pic modeling Maggie's drawers first.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 05, 2019 08:32 PM (DMUuz)
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OK, the crimp question had me laughing, and now i'm lol-ing!
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:27 PM
First you want a pic of him wearing his training bra, and then you go straight for a pic of his unit?
Dood. Slow down. Ask him for a pic modeling Maggie's drawers first.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 05, 2019 08:32 PM (DMUuz)
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OK, the crimp question had me laughing, and now i'm lol-ing!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:35 PM (MVjcR)
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Chicks dig overexpanders, IYKWIMAITTTD.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 05, 2019 08:36 PM (NWiLs)
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Sorry to go OT.
Posted by: Infidel at May 05, 2019 08:30 PM (izYMI)
No need. Thank you for bringing that to us.
Posted by: Infidel at May 05, 2019 08:30 PM (izYMI)
No need. Thank you for bringing that to us.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 08:37 PM (t+qrx)
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Richard, good stuff. As I said above, only caliber I batch-load is 30-06 for the M-1. Since there's more importance to primer depth, and powder charge, than in any of the other calibers I load, due to the platform (gas system with specs, floating firing pin), I go the batch route.
I'm going to use up my 4064, and then probably just use TAC for my M-1 ammo. Only because the TAC meters so perfectly in my powder dispenser, due to powder geometry. With the 4064, I've actually gone to weighing every charge (not initially - once there are 50 cases primed and charged in the block, I weigh and adjust each charge to my exact target amount). Use a dipper, not a trickler. I just want the consistency.
In my short test run of loads using TAC, I found the powder charges were almost perfectly consistent - close enough that I'll transition to that powder as the 4064 gets used up.
I'm going to use up my 4064, and then probably just use TAC for my M-1 ammo. Only because the TAC meters so perfectly in my powder dispenser, due to powder geometry. With the 4064, I've actually gone to weighing every charge (not initially - once there are 50 cases primed and charged in the block, I weigh and adjust each charge to my exact target amount). Use a dipper, not a trickler. I just want the consistency.
In my short test run of loads using TAC, I found the powder charges were almost perfectly consistent - close enough that I'll transition to that powder as the 4064 gets used up.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:38 PM (QDnY+)
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Not having enough guns and ammo has NEVER been an issue with the TxMoMe...
Posted by: lin-duh in keto at May 05, 2019 08:38 PM (UUBmN)
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151 I just renewed my LTC online. $42.95. Easy. Use to be 4 times more expensive and you had to take a class every time.
Posted by: lin-duh in keto at May 05, 2019 08:31 PM (UUBmN)
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I didn't have to re-qualify, just prove I'm not a criminal. The online option sounds great. Lucky!
Posted by: lin-duh in keto at May 05, 2019 08:31 PM (UUBmN)
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I didn't have to re-qualify, just prove I'm not a criminal. The online option sounds great. Lucky!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)
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Here in Seattle, I have to go through the Seattle police department to get a CPL. background check, fingerprints and 6 weeks. Couple hundred bucks.
Fuck that. The only place I carry is at Mass. if some asshat is going to attack us there, I will fight back and suffer the consequences. My kids and I have a plan for protecting ourselves and others.
Seattle is backasswards we cant even Discuss protecting ourselves.
Fuck that. The only place I carry is at Mass. if some asshat is going to attack us there, I will fight back and suffer the consequences. My kids and I have a plan for protecting ourselves and others.
Seattle is backasswards we cant even Discuss protecting ourselves.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 05, 2019 08:38 PM (PkVlr)
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Connecticut. NRA course (app. $130), then $270 and eight months.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (fuK7c)
I'm looking at getting an out of state permit for CT. I'm the only
one of my family who reached escape velocity from CT (thank you US
Army), but I do wish to go and visit said family.
Just not disarmed. I have a Kimber 1911 that would be perfect for
such a visit. Spouse has her Smith 327 for such an event (CT rules on
ammo capacity are an affront to the US Constitution.)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 08:13 PM
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Moved away from CT 6 years ago. Our son still lives there and we do not visit that State. We meet him in Pennsylvanian to avoid the gun issues.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2019 07:43 PM (fuK7c)
I'm looking at getting an out of state permit for CT. I'm the only
one of my family who reached escape velocity from CT (thank you US
Army), but I do wish to go and visit said family.
Just not disarmed. I have a Kimber 1911 that would be perfect for
such a visit. Spouse has her Smith 327 for such an event (CT rules on
ammo capacity are an affront to the US Constitution.)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 08:13 PM
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Moved away from CT 6 years ago. Our son still lives there and we do not visit that State. We meet him in Pennsylvanian to avoid the gun issues.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 05, 2019 08:39 PM (JUOKG)
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Sorry to go OT.
Posted by: Infidel at May 05, 2019 08:30 PM (izYMI)
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No worries, Infidel. Wishing you all the best possible outcome.
Posted by: Infidel at May 05, 2019 08:30 PM (izYMI)
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No worries, Infidel. Wishing you all the best possible outcome.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:39 PM (MVjcR)
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You will feel a slight resistance as the case enters the die and the ram reaches its uppermost position as the handle begins to cam over.
I'll be in my bunk.
I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:41 PM (ZfRYq)
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Infidel - I will pray for your niece. Keep us posted.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 05, 2019 08:42 PM (lwiT4)
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There's more than a little of that being planned/executed, including me.
Good to hear. Hope you find a good spot, which I imagine is west of the Mississippi. So many people on this side.
Good to hear. Hope you find a good spot, which I imagine is west of the Mississippi. So many people on this side.
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2019 08:42 PM (Pu/Kw)
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Prayers up Infidel.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:42 PM (ZfRYq)
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156 QuickLoad is a great tool, isn't it?
Yes it is. Do you know if they have ever got data for the newer Hodgen low temperature coefficient powders like 4955?
Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 08:34 PM (n7Z3n)
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I'm not sure. I seem to recall downloading new updated bullet profiles a couple years ago, so I'd assume you could do the same with powder. I'd hope they're on top of that.
Yes it is. Do you know if they have ever got data for the newer Hodgen low temperature coefficient powders like 4955?
Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 08:34 PM (n7Z3n)
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I'm not sure. I seem to recall downloading new updated bullet profiles a couple years ago, so I'd assume you could do the same with powder. I'd hope they're on top of that.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:43 PM (MVjcR)
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Infidel, asked and answered. Keep us posted.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 08:43 PM (k16aq)
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Except for training sessions with my CC guns, most of my shooting these days is slow and deliberate. Even just plinking. I'm shooting fewer rounds but enjoying it more. As a result, I don't have to hurry with reloading. If it takes an extra half minute per round, such as lubing the case and wiping it off, that's not a problem. It's a win-win for me.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (bmdz3)
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Went to the range Sat night for date night! Sra blaster has a birfday Monday and she wants a new pistola. Took a look at some and OF COURSE she decided she needed the new Sig P365 because you can hardly get it, and there are no sales on it at this point because it is a sub-compact with a full 10 rounds.
OF COURSE.
OF COURSE.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (ZfRYq)
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whig just to continue with your points, I put my tumbler outside the garage, side of the house, and put a cardboard box (the one in which the tumbler is stored) on top of it - contains any dust, suppresses noise too.
I tumble all brass before depriming, except 3O-O6, 9mikemike, and 3O carbine, which get tumbled twice (first to clean, then to remove lube after resizing).
I am not too concerned about lead from any of this. I don't think the depriming process puts very much lead into aerosolized, dangerous form and distributes it. But I follow all the usual precautions - don't eat at the bench, wash my hands (often with the de-lead soap) every time I leave the bench after reloading.
I tumble all brass before depriming, except 3O-O6, 9mikemike, and 3O carbine, which get tumbled twice (first to clean, then to remove lube after resizing).
I am not too concerned about lead from any of this. I don't think the depriming process puts very much lead into aerosolized, dangerous form and distributes it. But I follow all the usual precautions - don't eat at the bench, wash my hands (often with the de-lead soap) every time I leave the bench after reloading.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (QDnY+)
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Next week is the moronette shooting bra photo competition. Right?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (/jZjK)
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CFE-223 usually gives very high velocities in rounds in the 5.56 range. However... it has the worst temperature coefficient problems of any powder out there. What I have discovered in load development for those kind of rounds is that if I back off the charge and use magnum primers instead of the usual small rifle primers that the temperature coefficient shrinks from about 13 fps/ degree f to about a more normal 6 fps/ degree f. The switch I made was from CCI 400's to CCI 450's for the magnum primers.
Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (n7Z3n)
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And OF COURSE that is what she is going to get for her birfday because I looove her.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:45 PM (ZfRYq)
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Infidel - will pray for your dear niece and sister. ...++Nurse Ratched - carrying at Mass is excellent idea. Cowards love soft targets.
Posted by: kallisto at May 05, 2019 08:45 PM (ZT/+/)
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blaster @167, lol
And blaster, OF COURSE!
That's OK. Nice to have a gun-nut spouse. Could be worse.
And blaster, OF COURSE!
That's OK. Nice to have a gun-nut spouse. Could be worse.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:47 PM (QDnY+)
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147 ... Infidel, Prayers up for your niece.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 08:47 PM (bmdz3)
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Hey everybody, again.
This gender identification stuff is getting completely out of hand. At the Kentucky Derby this year, the race was won by two guys in a horse costume who both identify sexually as one horse.
This gender identification stuff is getting completely out of hand. At the Kentucky Derby this year, the race was won by two guys in a horse costume who both identify sexually as one horse.
Posted by: qdpsteve at May 05, 2019 08:47 PM (miE9U)
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Went to the range Sat night for date night! Sra blaster has a birfday Monday and she wants a new pistola. Took a look at some and OF COURSE she decided she needed the new Sig P365 because you can hardly get it, and there are no sales on it at this point because it is a sub-compact with a full 10 rounds.
OF COURSE.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (ZfRYq)
*points*
This is what is known as a humblebrag.
OF COURSE.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (ZfRYq)
*points*
This is what is known as a humblebrag.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 08:47 PM (t+qrx)
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I am letting this or a sister go to a new home (pic in nick email me)
Back in a bit dogs need fed.
McGyver, over
That is a beaut! If anybody didn't click the link (#134) go check it out just for the eye candy value.
Back in a bit dogs need fed.
McGyver, over
That is a beaut! If anybody didn't click the link (#134) go check it out just for the eye candy value.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 08:47 PM (qc+VF)
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178 And OF COURSE that is what she is going to get for her birfday because I looove her.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:45 PM (ZfRYq)
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Does Blue Ridge still have a nice selection of rental guns?
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:45 PM (ZfRYq)
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Does Blue Ridge still have a nice selection of rental guns?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:48 PM (MVjcR)
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Virginia is kind of agnostic on carrying in church - it is not explicitly against the law - not the Dems in VA haven't tried - but the current understanding is based on an AG opinion written by Ken Cuccinelli - which could easily be invalidated by a Dem AG. Even one with a "blackface" issue.
Theoretically so long as there is not a no guns marking at the entry, you may carry. And some Sundays I do.
Theoretically so long as there is not a no guns marking at the entry, you may carry. And some Sundays I do.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:48 PM (ZfRYq)
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Ok, OT, but not too much:
Drunk 1, watching dog lick his unit: "I wish I could do that."
Drunk 2: " Don't you think you should introduce yourself first?"
Drunk 1, watching dog lick his unit: "I wish I could do that."
Drunk 2: " Don't you think you should introduce yourself first?"
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:49 PM (hS1+m)
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Does Blue Ridge still have a nice selection of rental guns?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:48 PM (MVjcR)
They do but it appears kind of Glock heavy on the selection.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:48 PM (MVjcR)
They do but it appears kind of Glock heavy on the selection.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:49 PM (ZfRYq)
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Weasel - is that Blue Ridge, out by Dulles? Took a training course there, my own dime, prior to some govt-sponsored overseas vacation time.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:49 PM (QDnY+)
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Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 05, 2019 08:28 PM (Z+IKu)
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i'll take them: i'll just break down the components, shit can the primers and powerder, then reprocess.
it's even legal for you to send them to me here in #Failifornia, since i has an 03FFL and a state COE.
at moronhorde.com to my nick or, better yet, since that's apparently temp FUBAR ask Weasel to forward your particulars... or ask for mine.
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i'll take them: i'll just break down the components, shit can the primers and powerder, then reprocess.
it's even legal for you to send them to me here in #Failifornia, since i has an 03FFL and a state COE.
at moronhorde.com to my nick or, better yet, since that's apparently temp FUBAR ask Weasel to forward your particulars... or ask for mine.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 08:51 PM (7MHcp)
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They do but it appears kind of Glock heavy on the selection.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:49 PM (ZfRYq)
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They came close to closing down until a new investment partner with capital came along. Wonder if they have a deal with Glock?
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:49 PM (ZfRYq)
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They came close to closing down until a new investment partner with capital came along. Wonder if they have a deal with Glock?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:51 PM (MVjcR)
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189 Weasel - is that Blue Ridge, out by Dulles? Took a training course there, my own dime, prior to some govt-sponsored overseas vacation time.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:49 PM (QDnY+)
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That's the one, Amigo.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 08:49 PM (QDnY+)
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That's the one, Amigo.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)
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As always, Weasel, thanks for doing this thread every week.
I always look forward to it, one of my favorites !
I always look forward to it, one of my favorites !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez asks,who is painting these concentric circles on my back all the time ? at May 05, 2019 08:53 PM (isI7q)
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186. I hate those 'no firearms' signs. After WF was bought by AMZ, one of those signs went up at the entrance. Thank you AMZ for making this place a soft target.
Posted by: kallisto at May 05, 2019 08:54 PM (ZT/+/)
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They came close to closing down until a new investment partner with capital came along. Wonder if they have a deal with Glock?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:51 PM (MVjcR)
Mebbe. It sure ain't with Sig. On the shelf in the store it is $542 when the entire world is selling it for $499. But not one penny less, anywhere.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:51 PM (MVjcR)
Mebbe. It sure ain't with Sig. On the shelf in the store it is $542 when the entire world is selling it for $499. But not one penny less, anywhere.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:54 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 08:55 PM (7MHcp)
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193 As always, Weasel, thanks for doing this thread every week.
I always look forward to it, one of my favorites !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez asks,who is painting these concentric circles on my back all the time ? at May 05, 2019 08:53 PM (isI7q)
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You're very welcome, sock-rat! I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it!
I always look forward to it, one of my favorites !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez asks,who is painting these concentric circles on my back all the time ? at May 05, 2019 08:53 PM (isI7q)
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You're very welcome, sock-rat! I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:55 PM (MVjcR)
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176 Next week is the moronette shooting bra photo competition. Right?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (/jZjK)
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Well if it isn't then it should be!
Posted by: Braenyard at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (/jZjK)
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Well if it isn't then it should be!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)
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I am not too concerned about lead from any of this. I don't think the depriming process puts very much lead into aerosolized, dangerous form and distributes it. But I follow all the usual precautions - don't eat at the bench, wash my hands (often with the de-lead soap) every time I leave the bench after reloading.
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wash with COLD water.
hot water opens your pores.
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wash with COLD water.
hot water opens your pores.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 08:57 PM (7MHcp)
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Going to take you guys out on the deck for a cigar, so I'll be posting from my phone for a little bit.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)
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Concealed comparisons:
RI - Atty General "May Issue". Onerous application with character references, shooting proficiency, $100 every four years.
MA non resident unlimited license to carry (yes, can haz scary big mags in gunz). Annual $100 application and until this last year annual interview with BCI.
Utah, see above, renew every 4 years online for low dollars.
NH : Constitutional Carry, Bitchez!
RI - Atty General "May Issue". Onerous application with character references, shooting proficiency, $100 every four years.
MA non resident unlimited license to carry (yes, can haz scary big mags in gunz). Annual $100 application and until this last year annual interview with BCI.
Utah, see above, renew every 4 years online for low dollars.
NH : Constitutional Carry, Bitchez!
Posted by: RI Red at May 05, 2019 08:58 PM (hS1+m)
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wash with COLD water.
hot water opens your pores.
Posted by: redc1c4 at
That is exactly what they told us in CCL class.
hot water opens your pores.
Posted by: redc1c4 at
That is exactly what they told us in CCL class.
Posted by: Infidel at May 05, 2019 08:59 PM (izYMI)
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Whew, just in time for an overly long range report!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 05, 2019 08:59 PM (xJa6I)
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OT, but I ended up with some Fireball Whiskey (not really by choice) and found a recipe for a Fireball Manhattan - 3 OJ + 1 Maple Syrup + 1 Fireball. You can do the orange rind and cherry if you got em and that's your deal.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:59 PM (ZfRYq)
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Went to the range Sat night for date night! Sra blaster has a birfday Monday and she wants a new pistola. Took a look at some and OF COURSE she decided she needed the new Sig P365 because you can hardly get it, and there are no sales on it at this point because it is a sub-compact with a full 10 rounds.
OF COURSE.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM
Some thoughts 1) She has obvious good taste in hardware choice; this therefore likely extends to her discernment in persons she goes to the range with. 2) They don't seem to be unobtanium anymore; local Cabelas, Bass Pro, and Academys have them in stock, and regular price has dropped below $500. 3) Don't forget a 12 round mag or two.
OF COURSE.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM
Some thoughts 1) She has obvious good taste in hardware choice; this therefore likely extends to her discernment in persons she goes to the range with. 2) They don't seem to be unobtanium anymore; local Cabelas, Bass Pro, and Academys have them in stock, and regular price has dropped below $500. 3) Don't forget a 12 round mag or two.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 05, 2019 08:59 PM (DMUuz)
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Ooh, something here reminded me, asked this in a previous gub thread, didn't see any replies.
Have some Soviet 54R "yellow tip" (heavy ball, 182g, I think. Given to me by the lead range officer on my duty day. Old (like a lot of Soviet surplus), but not ancient.
Anyway, fired two in one of my Mosins. Each time - trigger pull, half-second, boom. Is this a "hang-fire"?
Should I just disassemble these rounds and use the powder for the basil seedlings? A Mosin action is one of the most over-built there is - any hazard from shooting them?
Have some Soviet 54R "yellow tip" (heavy ball, 182g, I think. Given to me by the lead range officer on my duty day. Old (like a lot of Soviet surplus), but not ancient.
Anyway, fired two in one of my Mosins. Each time - trigger pull, half-second, boom. Is this a "hang-fire"?
Should I just disassemble these rounds and use the powder for the basil seedlings? A Mosin action is one of the most over-built there is - any hazard from shooting them?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)
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tumbling with the primers still in keeps the primer pocket from getting media bits stuck in them, but, at the same time, it forces you to check each one...
and, if'n yer *real* fussy, you'll be check reaming the primer hole any way.
of course, of you're using a progressive press, it automagically knocks the primer out as part of the reloading process.
6/5 and pick'em.
and, if'n yer *real* fussy, you'll be check reaming the primer hole any way.
of course, of you're using a progressive press, it automagically knocks the primer out as part of the reloading process.
6/5 and pick'em.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 09:01 PM (7MHcp)
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Should I just disassemble these rounds and use the powder for the basil seedlings? A Mosin action is one of the most over-built there is - any hazard from shooting them?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)
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disassemble and re-assemble with new primers... that's my guess as to the culprit, especially if the rounds are lacquer sealed.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)
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disassemble and re-assemble with new primers... that's my guess as to the culprit, especially if the rounds are lacquer sealed.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 09:03 PM (7MHcp)
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In PA, we have what's known as a Right to Carry Firearms (which are defined slightly different than you may think) license.
This is a shall issue state so you fill out the form and they do a background check (in PA, the State Troopers do the check. They check various records kept by PA and they do the FBI Background Check. The allowed wait time can also be longer) then they give an ok to the County Sheriff who issues the license or tells you the procedure to appeal a refusal.
License is for 5 years and is very similar to the quality of a picture DL. Oh and it's 25 bucks. Jealous? You should be
The only quibble I have is that they require 2 references. (I assume local ones but it doesn't say. Just a name and address and phone number).
Doesn't this violate my right to privacy? I guess depends on how they frame any questions they ask the references but what if they inform them I'm applying for a Carry license then they now know I own firearms and may carry one. Some references aren't necessarily friends or people you care to let know you are armed.
A very minor quibble and it's possible they don't even call them because there have been some court cases where requiring references for stuff has been shown to be a violation of someone's rights.
Just to note: PA is strange in that the Right to Carry Firearms license is also required to have a loaded firearm in a vehicle. Unless it's an unloaded long arm (that's to accommodate out of state hunters. You can't have one in a parked vehicle. You can't have a loaded long arm in a vehicle even with a license. There's a slightly arcane definition of firearm so you have to watch out.
I got the license mostly so I could carry a firearm in a vehicle to go to a range. And altho that's legal for anyone, it's possible an officer might dispute you going directly or returning and charge you anyway. So it means less hassle if you get stopped.
PA has a lot of reciprocal rights with other states so the RTCF is recognized there also but you have to know the states laws as you have to conform to them and not PA's while in that state.
And last but not least in PA you are not required to inform a LEO that you are armed UNLESS ASKED. That will be different if you are in a different state so be aware of that when traveling.
I'm glad I live in PA (so far) as this state is one of the few that has the right to bear arms as part of their constitution. But as you may guess, the Dems are still trying their very worst to take those rights away. We have an exemption law but it has no teeth so some cities still pass their own laws about guns and are being sued over it.
Their are a few laws in the legislature this year that are problematic but we should mostly be able to keep them off the Democrat governor's desk. (because of the 4 large cities in PA we do have this split personality whereby the majority of the State is conservative but the cities can take over the governorship as they have done but that's because the GOP in PA is fully run by the CoC and are Fuddy Duddy dopes still in the 20th century or worse.
This is a shall issue state so you fill out the form and they do a background check (in PA, the State Troopers do the check. They check various records kept by PA and they do the FBI Background Check. The allowed wait time can also be longer) then they give an ok to the County Sheriff who issues the license or tells you the procedure to appeal a refusal.
License is for 5 years and is very similar to the quality of a picture DL. Oh and it's 25 bucks. Jealous? You should be
The only quibble I have is that they require 2 references. (I assume local ones but it doesn't say. Just a name and address and phone number).
Doesn't this violate my right to privacy? I guess depends on how they frame any questions they ask the references but what if they inform them I'm applying for a Carry license then they now know I own firearms and may carry one. Some references aren't necessarily friends or people you care to let know you are armed.
A very minor quibble and it's possible they don't even call them because there have been some court cases where requiring references for stuff has been shown to be a violation of someone's rights.
Just to note: PA is strange in that the Right to Carry Firearms license is also required to have a loaded firearm in a vehicle. Unless it's an unloaded long arm (that's to accommodate out of state hunters. You can't have one in a parked vehicle. You can't have a loaded long arm in a vehicle even with a license. There's a slightly arcane definition of firearm so you have to watch out.
I got the license mostly so I could carry a firearm in a vehicle to go to a range. And altho that's legal for anyone, it's possible an officer might dispute you going directly or returning and charge you anyway. So it means less hassle if you get stopped.
PA has a lot of reciprocal rights with other states so the RTCF is recognized there also but you have to know the states laws as you have to conform to them and not PA's while in that state.
And last but not least in PA you are not required to inform a LEO that you are armed UNLESS ASKED. That will be different if you are in a different state so be aware of that when traveling.
I'm glad I live in PA (so far) as this state is one of the few that has the right to bear arms as part of their constitution. But as you may guess, the Dems are still trying their very worst to take those rights away. We have an exemption law but it has no teeth so some cities still pass their own laws about guns and are being sued over it.
Their are a few laws in the legislature this year that are problematic but we should mostly be able to keep them off the Democrat governor's desk. (because of the 4 large cities in PA we do have this split personality whereby the majority of the State is conservative but the cities can take over the governorship as they have done but that's because the GOP in PA is fully run by the CoC and are Fuddy Duddy dopes still in the 20th century or worse.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at May 05, 2019 09:03 PM (XmlCz)
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I have a number of Lee Factory Crimp Dies for several calibers. Never used them because the crimp from the usual seating die seemed adequate. But I'm going to start using the FCD, even on 38 specials, to see if it makes a difference. That's one of the 'extra' steps I mentioned above.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 09:03 PM (bmdz3)
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Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)
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I dunno man. I'd think about dumping it.
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I dunno man. I'd think about dumping it.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)
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Another week, another baffling yet enjoyable range session.
The good news, the XD9, my boo, is still trucking along. Over 500 rounds without a malfunction. However, I have not gotten the tight groups I have grown to expect. Instead, I'm chewing a hole low-right.
I have tried to slow down and pull straight back on the trigger but it hasn't made a big improvement. Part of it might be my old eyes having trouble focusing on the front sight like I need to.
Or maybe it was partly my grip.
Because I changed my grip for the last 100 rounds, instead of a high 'stacked thumbs' grip, I put my right thumb in the detent in the frame and covered it with my left thumb. It sounds a little hinkey but damn if my low-left group turned into low-centered.
Which makes me think...now hold onto something...maybe the right grip varies from pistol to pistol. Maybe stacked thumbs works fine for Glocks, but not so much for the XD9. Dunno, but I'll try using the thumb detent again next week and see.
It also makes me think that maybe the fewer pistol form factors, the better. The good thing about Glocks is they all have the same grip angle, the same lack of external controls and the same trigger, more or less.
Same with the XD. The XD9 and the XD45 are nearly identical, despite the caliber difference.
Dunno. If I had it to do over, I might suggest that someone find a mfg that works reliably for them and...stick with that mfg. The more I shoot other pistols, the more I have to 'relearn' how other guns feel. The fundamentals still apply of course, but each pistol has it's quirks and to get the best performance, maybe I need to cut down to just one defensive pistol brand. Dunno. Food for though.
The good news, the XD9, my boo, is still trucking along. Over 500 rounds without a malfunction. However, I have not gotten the tight groups I have grown to expect. Instead, I'm chewing a hole low-right.
I have tried to slow down and pull straight back on the trigger but it hasn't made a big improvement. Part of it might be my old eyes having trouble focusing on the front sight like I need to.
Or maybe it was partly my grip.
Because I changed my grip for the last 100 rounds, instead of a high 'stacked thumbs' grip, I put my right thumb in the detent in the frame and covered it with my left thumb. It sounds a little hinkey but damn if my low-left group turned into low-centered.
Which makes me think...now hold onto something...maybe the right grip varies from pistol to pistol. Maybe stacked thumbs works fine for Glocks, but not so much for the XD9. Dunno, but I'll try using the thumb detent again next week and see.
It also makes me think that maybe the fewer pistol form factors, the better. The good thing about Glocks is they all have the same grip angle, the same lack of external controls and the same trigger, more or less.
Same with the XD. The XD9 and the XD45 are nearly identical, despite the caliber difference.
Dunno. If I had it to do over, I might suggest that someone find a mfg that works reliably for them and...stick with that mfg. The more I shoot other pistols, the more I have to 'relearn' how other guns feel. The fundamentals still apply of course, but each pistol has it's quirks and to get the best performance, maybe I need to cut down to just one defensive pistol brand. Dunno. Food for though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 05, 2019 09:06 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 09:06 PM (7MHcp)
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JTB, I think you can use the FCD for two-step placement/crimping. But if you haven't noticed the need to use it before, why start now?
redc, re-priming not an option - steel case ammo.
Weasel, yeah, probably fertilizer, and bullets for the day I start loading 54R. Sort of a pain - I have the RCBS press-mounted bullet puller, which works, but man does it take the muscle power (one of those rare cases where your observation about gentle/smooth press movement does not apply!).
redc, re-priming not an option - steel case ammo.
Weasel, yeah, probably fertilizer, and bullets for the day I start loading 54R. Sort of a pain - I have the RCBS press-mounted bullet puller, which works, but man does it take the muscle power (one of those rare cases where your observation about gentle/smooth press movement does not apply!).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 09:08 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 05, 2019 09:09 PM (NMAzL)
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 09:09 PM (7MHcp)
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at moronhorde.com to my nick or, better yet, since that's apparently temp FUBAR ask Weasel to forward your particulars... or ask for mine.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 08:51 PM (7MHcp)
You got it! It's a Chock Full of Nuts coffee can filled up with the Syrian ammo.
I will even pay the shipping knowing they won't be going to waste and can be used.
Let me know how.....and thanks!
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2019 08:51 PM (7MHcp)
You got it! It's a Chock Full of Nuts coffee can filled up with the Syrian ammo.
I will even pay the shipping knowing they won't be going to waste and can be used.
Let me know how.....and thanks!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 05, 2019 09:09 PM (Z+IKu)
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you can get your primer pockets cleaned a bit.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 08:34 PM (WT0Md)
I know a Thai massage place that will do that for another $20.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 08:34 PM (WT0Md)
I know a Thai massage place that will do that for another $20.
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 09:09 PM (7kVu3)
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Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2019 08:44 PM (n7Z3n)
Just got a jug of CFE223. Temp range on that is plus or minus?
Just got a jug of CFE223. Temp range on that is plus or minus?
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at May 05, 2019 09:09 PM (l7Kbv)
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Just to note: PA is strange in that the Right to Carry Firearms license is also required to have a loaded firearm in a vehicle. Unless it's an unloaded long arm (that's to accommodate out of state hunters. You can't have one in a parked vehicle. You can't have a loaded long arm in a vehicle even with a license. There's a slightly arcane definition of firearm so you have to watch out.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at May 05, 2019 09:03 PM (XmlCz)
Strange, maybe, but not unique. Michigan considers anything within a vehicle to be concealed, so if you don't have a CPL and you're taking anything to the range - even long guns - it has to be unloaded and "inaccessible" to people in the car. A case in the trunk is fine. If you have a wagon or SUV without a separate trunk, a locked case works. You could probably make a case (!) that an unlocked case in the cargo area of a vehicle counts since the driver has to crawl back there to get it, but I don't want to be the test case.
If you have a CPL you can obviously have it loaded and on you or in a console or wherever, but you have to declare it if you're stopped.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at May 05, 2019 09:03 PM (XmlCz)
Strange, maybe, but not unique. Michigan considers anything within a vehicle to be concealed, so if you don't have a CPL and you're taking anything to the range - even long guns - it has to be unloaded and "inaccessible" to people in the car. A case in the trunk is fine. If you have a wagon or SUV without a separate trunk, a locked case works. You could probably make a case (!) that an unlocked case in the cargo area of a vehicle counts since the driver has to crawl back there to get it, but I don't want to be the test case.
If you have a CPL you can obviously have it loaded and on you or in a console or wherever, but you have to declare it if you're stopped.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:10 PM (t+qrx)
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164 Here in Seattle, I have to go through the Seattle police department to get a CPL. background check, fingerprints and 6 weeks. Couple hundred bucks.
Fuck that. The only place I carry is at Mass. if some asshat is going to attack us there, I will fight back and suffer the consequences. My kids and I have a plan for protecting ourselves and others.
Seattle is backasswards we cant even Discuss protecting ourselves.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 05, 2019 08:38 PM (PkVlr)
Can you go to the King County Sheriff instead?
Or is there some Seattle city limits fuckery at work?
Fuck that. The only place I carry is at Mass. if some asshat is going to attack us there, I will fight back and suffer the consequences. My kids and I have a plan for protecting ourselves and others.
Seattle is backasswards we cant even Discuss protecting ourselves.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at May 05, 2019 08:38 PM (PkVlr)
Can you go to the King County Sheriff instead?
Or is there some Seattle city limits fuckery at work?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 05, 2019 09:11 PM (xJa6I)
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OT: nice Bolton statement re US deploying more muscle to the Mid-East, warning Iran against any funny business, in response to signs of escalation.
My first thought about the Gaza festivities - Iran's panicking, sanctions are really biting, and their last few red buttons are Hamas/Gaza, and the much bigger one with Hezbollah/Lebanon. Neither one will, of course, help Iran, and the second one, if pushed, will be a disaster for Lebanon, nasty for Israel, which will still emerge victorious of course.
My first thought about the Gaza festivities - Iran's panicking, sanctions are really biting, and their last few red buttons are Hamas/Gaza, and the much bigger one with Hezbollah/Lebanon. Neither one will, of course, help Iran, and the second one, if pushed, will be a disaster for Lebanon, nasty for Israel, which will still emerge victorious of course.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 09:11 PM (QDnY+)
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Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 08:59 PM (ZfRYq)
There's alos a great recipe for grilling pineapple with fireball whisky. Skin it, don't core it, soak it in fireball, coat it with cinnamon and brown sugar, then stick it on a skewer with a rotisserie thingy and grill it, recoating with the cinnamon/brown sugar as you go. It looked and sounded delicious!
There's alos a great recipe for grilling pineapple with fireball whisky. Skin it, don't core it, soak it in fireball, coat it with cinnamon and brown sugar, then stick it on a skewer with a rotisserie thingy and grill it, recoating with the cinnamon/brown sugar as you go. It looked and sounded delicious!
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 09:12 PM (7kVu3)
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Speaking of Siam, they're in the middle of a big coronation for the new king:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6994403
He married his 4th wife a couple of days before. All his wives have to grovel before him, literally crawling on their bellies before him on the throne.
As a very wise man observed, it's good to be the king. It's even better to be the King of Thailand.
Speaking of Siam, they're in the middle of a big coronation for the new king:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6994403
He married his 4th wife a couple of days before. All his wives have to grovel before him, literally crawling on their bellies before him on the throne.
As a very wise man observed, it's good to be the king. It's even better to be the King of Thailand.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 05, 2019 09:13 PM (NMAzL)
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The new Thai king's name is Maha Vagina Burningbush or something like that.
The new Thai king's name is Maha Vagina Burningbush or something like that.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 05, 2019 09:14 PM (NMAzL)
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214 ... "I think you can use the FCD for two-step placement/crimping. But if you haven't noticed the need to use it before, why start now?"
Hi rhomboid. I'm just curious if it makes an improvement in accuracy. Also, I'm going to be loading 22 Hornet and 222 Remington this summer for some longer than usual (for me) range targets, 200 to 300 yards eventually. I figure anything that will give an advantage is worth a try.
Hi rhomboid. I'm just curious if it makes an improvement in accuracy. Also, I'm going to be loading 22 Hornet and 222 Remington this summer for some longer than usual (for me) range targets, 200 to 300 yards eventually. I figure anything that will give an advantage is worth a try.
Posted by: JTB at May 05, 2019 09:15 PM (bmdz3)
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Last month I renewed my PA carry permit. I was a little trepidatious, since the new county sheriff is a Democrat after the office was held by a Republican for who knows how long.
The sheriff's office opened at 8:00 and I was supposed to be at work at 9:00. I got there shortly after 8 and I was the first person there. I handed the clerk the form I had already filled out and the $20 fee. She told me to have a seat in the waiting room. I don't know whether she ran a background check or just checked to see that the information on the form was true, like Person X lives at Address Y and so forth.
Soon she called me to go have my picture taken, and a few minutes later she gave me my laminated permit, saying, "OK, you're good for another five years."
She was very friendly and polite. I was in and out in less than a half hour, and only got to work ten minutes late.
The sheriff's office opened at 8:00 and I was supposed to be at work at 9:00. I got there shortly after 8 and I was the first person there. I handed the clerk the form I had already filled out and the $20 fee. She told me to have a seat in the waiting room. I don't know whether she ran a background check or just checked to see that the information on the form was true, like Person X lives at Address Y and so forth.
Soon she called me to go have my picture taken, and a few minutes later she gave me my laminated permit, saying, "OK, you're good for another five years."
She was very friendly and polite. I was in and out in less than a half hour, and only got to work ten minutes late.
Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2019 09:17 PM (sdi6R)
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Thank you again, Weasel! Slightly disappointed for no ( * ) ( * ) but there ya go. Lot's of good info As far as CC in MT, Most anywhere outside of city limits, no CCL required. If you want one otherwise, ya gotta fill out a form, background check, proof of training, fingerprints ($) application fee ($$) yada yada yada. Still canNOT carry in "...buildings owned or leased by the federal, state or local government; financial institutions; or any place where alcoholic beverages are sold, dispensed and consumed.
McGyver, out
McGyver, out
Posted by: McGyver at May 05, 2019 09:20 PM (gMngZ)
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Speaking of Siam, they're in the middle of a big coronation for the new king:
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 05, 2019 09:13 PM (NMAzL)
That's a heck of a hat, that is.
But this is 100% my favorite picture of the article.
http://tinyurl.com/y2usp5my
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 05, 2019 09:13 PM (NMAzL)
That's a heck of a hat, that is.
But this is 100% my favorite picture of the article.
http://tinyurl.com/y2usp5my
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:20 PM (t+qrx)
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JUST IN: John Bolton announces the deployment of a carrier strike group, bombers to counter Iran
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 05, 2019 09:22 PM (+y/Ru)
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Incidentally, when I was at the county courthouse, I saw a number of sharply-dressed men (who I presume were lawyers) wearing brown shoes with black or blue suits. Is that a thing now? I don't recall seeing that before.
Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2019 09:23 PM (sdi6R)
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Yep Anonosaurus, just noted that a bit above.
Remember, just about everything kinetic happening in the Mid-East = something involving Iran. To a remarkable degree, for some time now.
Remember, just about everything kinetic happening in the Mid-East = something involving Iran. To a remarkable degree, for some time now.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 05, 2019 09:25 PM (QDnY+)
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JUST IN: John Bolton announces the deployment of a carrier strike group, bombers to counter Iran
Did he have to first inform Valerie Jarrett?
Did he have to first inform Valerie Jarrett?
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2019 09:26 PM (Pu/Kw)
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:26 PM (MVjcR)
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But this is 100% my favorite picture of the article.
http://tinyurl.com/y2usp5my
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:20 PM (t+qrx)
That cat sure has some elaborately uniformed attendants.
But this is 100% my favorite picture of the article.
http://tinyurl.com/y2usp5my
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:20 PM (t+qrx)
That cat sure has some elaborately uniformed attendants.
Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2019 09:27 PM (sdi6R)
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His Majesty Maha Vagina has made wife #4 Queen. The youngest, newest piece.
She was a stewardess and he made her general in charge of his bodyguards. He then married a few days ago before the coronation.
She had to do a lot of groveling for that.
His Majesty Maha Vagina has made wife #4 Queen. The youngest, newest piece.
She was a stewardess and he made her general in charge of his bodyguards. He then married a few days ago before the coronation.
She had to do a lot of groveling for that.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 05, 2019 09:30 PM (NMAzL)
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Incidentally, when I was at the county courthouse, I saw a number of sharply-dressed men (who I presume were lawyers) wearing brown shoes with black or blue suits. Is that a thing now? I don't recall seeing that before.
Posted by: rickl
I was taught black with black, black or brown with blue.
Posted by: rickl
I was taught black with black, black or brown with blue.
Posted by: Aviator at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (2cuLk)
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OK, back inside now!
Cigar was a little disappointing - was trying to smoke it too fast.
Anyhoo - I bought a GoPro some time ago with the idea of making little videos down at the farm. What sorts of things are fun to shoot? Watermelons? Grapes? Raisins?
Cigar was a little disappointing - was trying to smoke it too fast.
Anyhoo - I bought a GoPro some time ago with the idea of making little videos down at the farm. What sorts of things are fun to shoot? Watermelons? Grapes? Raisins?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
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Some thoughts 1) She has obvious good taste in hardware choice; this therefore likely extends to her discernment in persons she goes to the range with. 2) They don't seem to be unobtanium anymore; local Cabelas, Bass Pro, and Academys have them in stock, and regular price has dropped below $500. 3) Don't forget a 12 round mag or two.
Yes, $499 is "below $500." Cabela's is within driving distance (Academy is not in Virginia at all, dang it). And it is in stock there.
Yes, $499 is "below $500." Cabela's is within driving distance (Academy is not in Virginia at all, dang it). And it is in stock there.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (ZfRYq)
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#184 Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 08:47 PM (qc+VF)
ThanX! I've never fired it. and for everyone,if my email seems to be missing I posted it swearsies -- it's McGyver at sign bresnan.net
McGyver, out
ThanX! I've never fired it. and for everyone,if my email seems to be missing I posted it swearsies -- it's McGyver at sign bresnan.net
McGyver, out
Posted by: McGyver at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (gMngZ)
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Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2019 09:23 PM (sdi6R)
A friend asked me that *exact* same question the other night!
(We were discussing me having to buy a suit for my new job tomorrow.)
A friend asked me that *exact* same question the other night!
(We were discussing me having to buy a suit for my new job tomorrow.)
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 09:32 PM (7kVu3)
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218, considering that I have a medical condition affecting my hands and gripping strength, if they would clean my brass including using a primer pocket brush, I would gladly pay the $20. Heck, I even throw them a tip.
175, Re Rhomboid, I had elevated lead in the blood stream once and since then have tried to avoid most of the probable sources for contamination. Since I do not cast, then most of mine came from firing cast lead bullets with lead primers on indoor ranges and cleaning the buggers. Switched to the more expensive ranges and outdoors, use NT primers if I can, and do lead contamination things outside such as decapping and tumbling.
Might switch to wet tumbling with steel pins which avoids a lot of the airborne issues.
Right now, I am slowly finishing a few restoration projects which are my true love--almost finished with a No. 4 Mk. 1/3 Long Branch and using Roger Wadham's book to inlet the new forestock, handguards, and buttstock to it. Finishing two caliber conversions from the ground up,
My 1903 Springer in .22 LR is about to go to the gunsmith for relining the barrel (uses a 1922m2 bolt, floorplate, etc. with a 1903 receiver and stock) and my SMLE .22 LR conversion is ready to be headspaced with its original .22 LR military conversion barrel (ditto but this will be a single shot for now as were the original , I was going to use an original No. 1, Mk III receiver but found an RFI receiver already marked for the conversion to .22 LR.
175, Re Rhomboid, I had elevated lead in the blood stream once and since then have tried to avoid most of the probable sources for contamination. Since I do not cast, then most of mine came from firing cast lead bullets with lead primers on indoor ranges and cleaning the buggers. Switched to the more expensive ranges and outdoors, use NT primers if I can, and do lead contamination things outside such as decapping and tumbling.
Might switch to wet tumbling with steel pins which avoids a lot of the airborne issues.
Right now, I am slowly finishing a few restoration projects which are my true love--almost finished with a No. 4 Mk. 1/3 Long Branch and using Roger Wadham's book to inlet the new forestock, handguards, and buttstock to it. Finishing two caliber conversions from the ground up,
My 1903 Springer in .22 LR is about to go to the gunsmith for relining the barrel (uses a 1922m2 bolt, floorplate, etc. with a 1903 receiver and stock) and my SMLE .22 LR conversion is ready to be headspaced with its original .22 LR military conversion barrel (ditto but this will be a single shot for now as were the original , I was going to use an original No. 1, Mk III receiver but found an RFI receiver already marked for the conversion to .22 LR.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 09:32 PM (WT0Md)
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Catch Thirty thr33- I learned the 1911 in boot camp 1968, used the Beretta last couple of years before retirement, and bought a P320 when they hit the gubstore. Probably sent 100 rds downrange, sent it in for the recall, and it's been in the safe otherwise. I like it but it is the kind of sidearm requiring belt and suspenders.
Posted by: Eromero at May 05, 2019 09:33 PM (qBNEP)
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What sorts of things are fun to shoot? ... Raisins?
That could take a while. You might want to do time lapse with that.....
That could take a while. You might want to do time lapse with that.....
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 09:33 PM (7kVu3)
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Having loaded many thousands of rounds of 38 Special on my Lee 1000 progressive press I have never had an over charge or under charge. Seen a few primers go in side ways, but I check every round after it comes out of the press. I love shooting flush seated wad cutters in my SW M52 semi-auto.
Posted by: JimK at May 05, 2019 09:34 PM (sbet8)
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Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 09:32 PM (WT0Md)
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whig - there's a link to an article on wet tumbling with steel pins up above.
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whig - there's a link to an article on wet tumbling with steel pins up above.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:34 PM (MVjcR)
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244 What sorts of things are fun to shoot? ... Raisins?
That could take a while. You might want to do time lapse with that.....
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 09:33 PM (7kVu3)
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The more I think about it, that might be fun to try. Hmmm...
That could take a while. You might want to do time lapse with that.....
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 09:33 PM (7kVu3)
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The more I think about it, that might be fun to try. Hmmm...
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:36 PM (MVjcR)
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And Aviator @ 237-Frank Zapper had a song 'Brown Shoes Don't Make It'. This does not apply to some CPO's and occifers though.
Posted by: Eromero at May 05, 2019 09:36 PM (qBNEP)
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My next shop project is building an 18in square shell catcher to mount on a tripod for the range so I don't have to scramble around picking up my brass.
Posted by: JimK at May 05, 2019 09:37 PM (sbet8)
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Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2019 09:23 PM (sdi6R)
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My mom taught me that it's acceptable to wear brown shoes with blue, depending on the shades, but never with black or grey.
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My mom taught me that it's acceptable to wear brown shoes with blue, depending on the shades, but never with black or grey.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 05, 2019 09:40 PM (5aX2M)
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237 Incidentally, when I was at the county courthouse, I saw a number of sharply-dressed men (who I presume were lawyers) wearing brown shoes with black or blue suits. Is that a thing now? I don't recall seeing that before.
Posted by: rickl
I was taught black with black, black or brown with blue.
Posted by: Aviator at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (2cuLk)
Yeah brown is okay with blue.
Posted by: rickl
I was taught black with black, black or brown with blue.
Posted by: Aviator at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (2cuLk)
Yeah brown is okay with blue.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at May 05, 2019 09:40 PM (2DOZq)
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My mom taught me that it's acceptable to wear brown shoes with blue, depending on the shades, but never with black or grey.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 05, 2019 09:40 PM (5aX2M)
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We're bidness casual (and now even jeans are allowed which I think is a little too much) and I usually wear brown brogues with khakis and a golf shirt. When I wear a suit, it's black. wingtips.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 05, 2019 09:40 PM (5aX2M)
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We're bidness casual (and now even jeans are allowed which I think is a little too much) and I usually wear brown brogues with khakis and a golf shirt. When I wear a suit, it's black. wingtips.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)
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246 Weasel,
Thanks for the link, you run a tight ship. I have an ultrasonic Hornady brass cleaner that works okay but it strips EVERYTHING. My original cleaning method, NuCar Finish (which is actually some type of polymer I found out, not wax) and mineral spirits seems to resize a bit easier and the brass ironically seems to keep brighter longer.
Just have been too lazy to investigate (until you posted the link) the wet tumbler with steel pins. But with joint issues increasing, I am looking to make things easier on separating the cleaning media from the brass. Magnet is super easy to separate steel pins, you can catch the odd copper washed case, and no dust is generated.
Thanks for the link, you run a tight ship. I have an ultrasonic Hornady brass cleaner that works okay but it strips EVERYTHING. My original cleaning method, NuCar Finish (which is actually some type of polymer I found out, not wax) and mineral spirits seems to resize a bit easier and the brass ironically seems to keep brighter longer.
Just have been too lazy to investigate (until you posted the link) the wet tumbler with steel pins. But with joint issues increasing, I am looking to make things easier on separating the cleaning media from the brass. Magnet is super easy to separate steel pins, you can catch the odd copper washed case, and no dust is generated.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 09:45 PM (WT0Md)
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>>This does not apply to some CPO's and occifers though.
Posted by: Eromero
Naval Aviators - special case.
Posted by: Eromero
Naval Aviators - special case.
Posted by: Aviator at May 05, 2019 09:48 PM (2cuLk)
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241. good luck at your new job GWB!
Posted by: kallisto at May 05, 2019 09:49 PM (XMhQP)
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I want these reloading threads on my backup drives, and I (in prepper fashion) wouldn't mind spending a grand or two to have all the tools and supplies (gunpowder and lead) to carry on in a less favorable environment (like if Hilda had won).
The time allotment, to learn all these mad gun skills, not on my KRA list (key result area). The PsyOp war is where we must win ... but reloading and gun competence gives us more self reliant mental fortitude to fight the good fight, as opposed to the masses of submissive NPCs.
so thanks for the dialogues, and the instruction. Carry on ... I got nuttin' to offer besides that.
The time allotment, to learn all these mad gun skills, not on my KRA list (key result area). The PsyOp war is where we must win ... but reloading and gun competence gives us more self reliant mental fortitude to fight the good fight, as opposed to the masses of submissive NPCs.
so thanks for the dialogues, and the instruction. Carry on ... I got nuttin' to offer besides that.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 05, 2019 09:50 PM (Cus5s)
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Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 09:45 PM (WT0Md)
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My pleasure. Thanks, whig. If you go that route, please let us know how you like it. A lot of guys I know use that method.
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My pleasure. Thanks, whig. If you go that route, please let us know how you like it. A lot of guys I know use that method.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)
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Surely a dumb question but could you no soak the brass in something like Berrymans or chemtool?
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 09:51 PM (k16aq)
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if the suit is charcoal grey or navy, wear black shoes.
Posted by: kallisto at May 05, 2019 09:52 PM (XMhQP)
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Weasel's at-home training thread, mentioned at #135, is here:
http://tinyurl.com/y6ascbth
http://tinyurl.com/y6ascbth
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:53 PM (t+qrx)
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Posted by: illiniwek at May 05, 2019 09:50 PM (Cus5s)
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Thanks illiniwek. Glad you're finding them useful! There is a link at the end of the thread to a little archive I've started. It's a work in progress and I was too retarded to include thread descriptions, but it's all there by date.
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Thanks illiniwek. Glad you're finding them useful! There is a link at the end of the thread to a little archive I've started. It's a work in progress and I was too retarded to include thread descriptions, but it's all there by date.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:54 PM (MVjcR)
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I just saw a video about the Barr chicken thing ...
Oh how will Trump ever recover? The Left memes are so savage.
Oh how will Trump ever recover? The Left memes are so savage.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 05, 2019 09:54 PM (rnAwa)
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 09:55 PM (7kVu3)
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242, Left out on converting the 1903, you need a m1922 barrel, complete bolt, mag well plate, magazine, magazine release spring, bolt release as well which I bought--the barrel breech has some odd machining cuts so as to use standard m1922 magazines in the conversion. It is much more difficult to use a 1903 barrel with a sleeve for that reason, unlike the SMLE.
You also have to attach a piece of steel for headspacing the m1922 bolt to the rear RH of the bolt lug raceway using TIG welding, silver solder, or a few folks use epoxy which I am dubious about. The 1922 bolt is single lug and headspaces on RH side of the receiver wall with a genuine 1922 type receiver which was never machined away for this conversion. Otherwise the receivers are the same except heat treatment perhaps. I did not harm an existing 1903 but assembled basically a parts rifle for fun.
You also have to attach a piece of steel for headspacing the m1922 bolt to the rear RH of the bolt lug raceway using TIG welding, silver solder, or a few folks use epoxy which I am dubious about. The 1922 bolt is single lug and headspaces on RH side of the receiver wall with a genuine 1922 type receiver which was never machined away for this conversion. Otherwise the receivers are the same except heat treatment perhaps. I did not harm an existing 1903 but assembled basically a parts rifle for fun.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 09:55 PM (WT0Md)
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260 Weasel's at-home training thread, mentioned at #135, is here:
http://tinyurl.com/y6ascbth
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:53 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks man. Next rainy day I need to do a little better job with the archive.
http://tinyurl.com/y6ascbth
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:53 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks man. Next rainy day I need to do a little better job with the archive.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:56 PM (MVjcR)
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Hey all - before the ONT come along, I want to thank you all for stopping by. It's a lot of fun hanging out with you guys and gals. Hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:58 PM (MVjcR)
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Sunday Gun Thread Update
Went to the range last night and tonight. Last night was a waste of time as I was shooting new ammo that did not work well. Tonight was much better using the normal ammo.
I shot decently at 10 yards. For a lark, I brought in the target to 7 yards and shot left-handed. I did far, far better. Not sure if the results are a fluke or whether there is some other explanation. I'm not quite sure why an extra 3 yards would matter so much. But you can see from the plasters my shots at 10 yards were quite scattered over the night though the last 8 shots were a bit better than the first rounds.
First target at 10 yards, right-handed. Second target at 7 yards, left-handed. Third target is at 7 yards, right-handed.
Practice and carry everywhere you can legally carry.
https://tinyurl.com/yxotecfj
Went to the range last night and tonight. Last night was a waste of time as I was shooting new ammo that did not work well. Tonight was much better using the normal ammo.
I shot decently at 10 yards. For a lark, I brought in the target to 7 yards and shot left-handed. I did far, far better. Not sure if the results are a fluke or whether there is some other explanation. I'm not quite sure why an extra 3 yards would matter so much. But you can see from the plasters my shots at 10 yards were quite scattered over the night though the last 8 shots were a bit better than the first rounds.
First target at 10 yards, right-handed. Second target at 7 yards, left-handed. Third target is at 7 yards, right-handed.
Practice and carry everywhere you can legally carry.
https://tinyurl.com/yxotecfj
Posted by: WarEagle82 at May 05, 2019 09:58 PM (+Kpte)
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Wish my CCW renewal fee was that low. It's $75, $90 for a new issue, and the wait is of course ridiculous. You have to also re-do fingerprint cards which requires additional fees of $10, but, you have to schedule a date to get them done and it's usually booked for weeks which is great when you can't submit your renewal packet prior to 90 days before the CCW expiration. Had to go to another county to get them done, walked right in and right out. Then you do the on-line renewal paperwork and submit, but guess what, that means nothing because you still have to set up an appointment to go to the sheriffs office to sign the paperwork and the average wait time to once you get your card, which by the way you have to go back down to the sheriffs office to get, is about 45 days. Oh, and they'll laminate it for you for an extra $2. So basically you are actually paying the $90 new issue fee for a renewal.
Posted by: Sua Sponte at May 05, 2019 09:58 PM (jU4N4)
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Thanks for the thread, Weasel!
Feel free to come on out in June if you don't have any other plans...
Feel free to come on out in June if you don't have any other plans...
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:59 PM (t+qrx)
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258, not wise as some solvents like ammonia attack and weaken the brass if left in it too long. A few folks use Brasso on chocolate colored brass but immediately remove the Brasso residue after doing so by cleaning it. Chocolate brass is brass that is so oxidized that it is a dark chocolate color and very difficult to get it back to shiny conditions without quite a lot of tumbling.
I have seen somewhere where someone sold a safe solvent for cleaning such chocolate brass by soaking it but can't remember where I saw it.
I have seen somewhere where someone sold a safe solvent for cleaning such chocolate brass by soaking it but can't remember where I saw it.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 10:00 PM (WT0Md)
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Cinco de Mayo. You know how it works. First they create a phony ass holiday. Then they create phony ass holiday greeting cards. Then they create phony ass holiday gifting obligations.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 05, 2019 10:00 PM (+y/Ru)
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269 Thanks for the thread, Weasel!
Feel free to come on out in June if you don't have any other plans...
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:59 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks for the invite... you never know!
Feel free to come on out in June if you don't have any other plans...
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at May 05, 2019 09:59 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks for the invite... you never know!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 10:01 PM (MVjcR)
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271 Cinco de Mayo. You know how it works. First they create a phony ass holiday. Then they create phony ass holiday greeting cards. Then they create phony ass holiday gifting obligations.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 05, 2019 10:00 PM (+y/Ru)
Phony ass holiday, real alcohol consumption.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 05, 2019 10:00 PM (+y/Ru)
Phony ass holiday, real alcohol consumption.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 05, 2019 10:01 PM (NWiLs)
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Insom. let me pour you a Dos Equis.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 10:03 PM (k16aq)
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...Anyhoo - I bought a GoPro some time ago with the idea of making little videos down at the farm. What sorts of things are fun to shoot? Watermelons? Grapes? Raisins?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
MSNBC'ers.
/snrk, or /not snrk?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
MSNBC'ers.
/snrk, or /not snrk?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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258, not wise as some solvents like ammonia attack and weaken the brass if left in it too long.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 10:00 PM (WT0Md)
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Yep. That's what I've heard. I deprime first, dry tumble in crushed walnut for an hour, and poke the walnut kernels out of the flash holes with a bent paperclip.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 10:00 PM (WT0Md)
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Yep. That's what I've heard. I deprime first, dry tumble in crushed walnut for an hour, and poke the walnut kernels out of the flash holes with a bent paperclip.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)
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Phony ass holiday, real alcohol consumption.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 05, 2019 10:01 PM (NWiLs)
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Yep. Much like Hallmark with Mother's/Father's Day, St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo were invented out of whole cloth by America's police departments.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 05, 2019 10:01 PM (NWiLs)
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Yep. Much like Hallmark with Mother's/Father's Day, St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo were invented out of whole cloth by America's police departments.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 05, 2019 10:05 PM (5aX2M)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 05, 2019 10:05 PM (aKsyK)
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275 ...Anyhoo - I bought a GoPro some time ago with the idea of making little videos down at the farm. What sorts of things are fun to shoot? Watermelons? Grapes? Raisins?
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
MSNBC'ers.
/snrk, or /not snrk?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 05, 2019 10:03 PM (QzJWU)
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I'm pretty sure I can hit a raisin at 100 yds. Think I'll make that my first video.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
MSNBC'ers.
/snrk, or /not snrk?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 05, 2019 10:03 PM (QzJWU)
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I'm pretty sure I can hit a raisin at 100 yds. Think I'll make that my first video.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 10:06 PM (MVjcR)
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ONT is up.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 10:07 PM (qc+VF)
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OK everyone. That's it for another Sunday. Have a great week!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 10:08 PM (MVjcR)
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...I'm pretty sure I can hit a raisin at 100 yds. Think I'll make that my first video.
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 10:06 PM (MVjcR)
*starts working on miniature clay pigeon thrower for raisin launcher*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 10:06 PM (MVjcR)
*starts working on miniature clay pigeon thrower for raisin launcher*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 05, 2019 10:08 PM (QzJWU)
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Thankee kindly, Mr. Weasel sir.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 10:09 PM (qc+VF)
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241
A friend asked me that *exact* same question the other night!
(We were discussing me having to buy a suit for my new job tomorrow.)
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 09:32 PM (7kVu3)
I don't wear suits as a rule, but I have different colors of chino pants. I wear brown shoes with the khaki ones, and black shoes with the blue or gray ones.
It would never occur to me to wear brown shoes with black pants.
A friend asked me that *exact* same question the other night!
(We were discussing me having to buy a suit for my new job tomorrow.)
Posted by: GWB at May 05, 2019 09:32 PM (7kVu3)
I don't wear suits as a rule, but I have different colors of chino pants. I wear brown shoes with the khaki ones, and black shoes with the blue or gray ones.
It would never occur to me to wear brown shoes with black pants.
Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2019 10:13 PM (sdi6R)
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Also, Weasel... thanks for the reloading threads!
I know how to do it, but it's been a long time and I need to get back into it. It's a sadly needful thing for the coming years, and these threads have gotten me excited to get back to the bench!
My dad does most of it these days, which has made me lazy. It'll be a fun thing to do with him. He likes to be quiet and listen to baseball or Limbaugh, as do I, so this should be just the thing.
And we can pass the time while we smoke cheeses and meats.
I know how to do it, but it's been a long time and I need to get back into it. It's a sadly needful thing for the coming years, and these threads have gotten me excited to get back to the bench!
My dad does most of it these days, which has made me lazy. It'll be a fun thing to do with him. He likes to be quiet and listen to baseball or Limbaugh, as do I, so this should be just the thing.
And we can pass the time while we smoke cheeses and meats.
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Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 05, 2019 10:13 PM (5aX2M)
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Thanks Y Dice! I'm glad to hear you found them interesting and have you thinking about picking it up again. If I can be of any assistance, just let me know!
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Thanks Y Dice! I'm glad to hear you found them interesting and have you thinking about picking it up again. If I can be of any assistance, just let me know!
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One other thing that weakens brass is the old mercuric primers. For that reason, it is not wise to reload really old brass that is around 100 years old along with other issues such as WWI era ammunition quality was pretty abysmal aside from mercuric primers. The later potassium chlorate based primers that replace mercuric is merely highly corrosive to your bore.
Mercuric era brass should not be fired nor reloaded for safety reasons and the potassium primered stuff is getting to where pressures when firing old ammo can be a lot higher. It can be reloaded if you care to remove the bullets, dump the powder, and deprime it.
Mercuric era brass should not be fired nor reloaded for safety reasons and the potassium primered stuff is getting to where pressures when firing old ammo can be a lot higher. It can be reloaded if you care to remove the bullets, dump the powder, and deprime it.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 10:17 PM (WT0Md)
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283 Thankee kindly, Mr. Weasel sir.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 10:09 PM (qc+VF)
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My pleasure. Thanks, BtB!
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 05, 2019 10:09 PM (qc+VF)
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My pleasure. Thanks, BtB!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 10:17 PM (MVjcR)
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*starts working on miniature clay pigeon thrower for raisin launcher*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 05, 2019 10:08 PM (QzJWU)
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I was thinking more raisin-on-a-toothpick! Flying raisins would be a whole different story!
*starts working on miniature clay pigeon thrower for raisin launcher*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 05, 2019 10:08 PM (QzJWU)
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I was thinking more raisin-on-a-toothpick! Flying raisins would be a whole different story!
Posted by: Weasel at May 05, 2019 10:18 PM (MVjcR)
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Jim, Weasel is a fixed target guy, moving things would discombobulate him.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 05, 2019 10:21 PM (k16aq)
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I recommend that anyone just getting into reloading get the stainless pins and wet tumble.
On the cheapest end, you can get a Harbor Freight double tumbler for like $35 on sale, then build a new, single drum out of PVC and some odds and ends from Home Depot (you can look it up, plenty of videos)
It's quieter and dust free.
On the cheapest end, you can get a Harbor Freight double tumbler for like $35 on sale, then build a new, single drum out of PVC and some odds and ends from Home Depot (you can look it up, plenty of videos)
It's quieter and dust free.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at May 05, 2019 10:21 PM (67XdO)
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Thanks 291 lurker for the tips.
Posted by: whig at May 05, 2019 10:30 PM (WT0Md)
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Reloading by text and still shots is difficult. This calls for an instructional video. I just loaded another hundred .38 SPL tonight for cowboy action using 125 gr round nose flat point bullets I cast myself using a 6-cavity Lee mold, then powder coated and sized to .358 using a Lee push-through sizer. Trail Boss powder. Light load.
Loading on a Dillon RL550C progressive press. Setting the bullet slightly beyond the cannalure so the overall length is 1.450" or a bit longer, so they feed properly in an 1873 Winchester lever action rifle. If I seat the bullet to the cannalure, they are too short and hang up slightly when levering the rifle.
Cleaning and tumbling the brass:
1. Use a Harbor Freight rock tumbler. Fill 3/4 full with deprimed brass. Depriming the brass allows water to flow through and drain out the primer pocket holes. Put a single small squirt of Dawn dishwashing detergent in the mix and a 9mm casefull of Lemi Shine dishwasher booster. Heat the water to 120 degrees. Add stainless steel rods to polish the brass, clean the interiors and primer pockets. Tumble wet for two hours.
Separate the brass from the stainless steel polishing rods. Rinse the soap off. The water you drain off will be filthy black. Let dry thoroughly.
Now vibrate tumble the brass in corncob media with a dash of Flitz polishing media for about an hour or 90 minutes.
Your brass will be shiny, smooth and have a fine coating of Flitz on it, so it won't tarnish in storage. It's not so smooth it sizes easily and looks beautiful when you're done.
Loading on a Dillon RL550C progressive press. Setting the bullet slightly beyond the cannalure so the overall length is 1.450" or a bit longer, so they feed properly in an 1873 Winchester lever action rifle. If I seat the bullet to the cannalure, they are too short and hang up slightly when levering the rifle.
Cleaning and tumbling the brass:
1. Use a Harbor Freight rock tumbler. Fill 3/4 full with deprimed brass. Depriming the brass allows water to flow through and drain out the primer pocket holes. Put a single small squirt of Dawn dishwashing detergent in the mix and a 9mm casefull of Lemi Shine dishwasher booster. Heat the water to 120 degrees. Add stainless steel rods to polish the brass, clean the interiors and primer pockets. Tumble wet for two hours.
Separate the brass from the stainless steel polishing rods. Rinse the soap off. The water you drain off will be filthy black. Let dry thoroughly.
Now vibrate tumble the brass in corncob media with a dash of Flitz polishing media for about an hour or 90 minutes.
Your brass will be shiny, smooth and have a fine coating of Flitz on it, so it won't tarnish in storage. It's not so smooth it sizes easily and looks beautiful when you're done.
Posted by: Dan at May 05, 2019 10:34 PM (+NG5U)
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Edit: It's NOW so smooth it sized easily...
How come we can't go back and fix typos around here?
How come we can't go back and fix typos around here?
Posted by: Dan at May 05, 2019 10:37 PM (+NG5U)
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Oh, heck. Who am I kidding? I'm post number 293. Nobody in this world is going to read it. Who cares?
Posted by: Dan at May 05, 2019 10:39 PM (+NG5U)
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I did!
Posted by: Nick Danger Third Eye at May 05, 2019 10:47 PM (c1JKE)
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You would be wrong, young padawan.
RI Red reads ALL.
Corncob media with a dash of Brasso for the win.
But make sure you check each one so there are no clumps of goo inside.
RI Red reads ALL.
Corncob media with a dash of Brasso for the win.
But make sure you check each one so there are no clumps of goo inside.
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If anybody's still here: I would look severely down on a man with a blue suit and brown shoes. NO WAY do I think "that man is a sharp dresser". I think "he's low class", instead. Brown suit, brown shoes. Everything else gets black shoes. (I so rarely see the oxblood shoe shades that I wouldn't venture a guess on what suit colors that goes best with.)
Just spent the day at 2 different gun ranges. First, helping teenage students with silhouette competition rifle shooting. Second, teaching beginning air pistol and smallbore pistol to other teenagers. A good day!
Just spent the day at 2 different gun ranges. First, helping teenage students with silhouette competition rifle shooting. Second, teaching beginning air pistol and smallbore pistol to other teenagers. A good day!
Posted by: Pat* at May 05, 2019 11:22 PM (2pX/F)
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298 If anybody's still here: I would look severely down on a man with a blue suit and brown shoes. NO WAY do I think "that man is a sharp dresser". I think "he's low class", instead. Brown suit, brown shoes. Everything else gets black shoes.
Posted by: Pat* at May 05, 2019 11:22 PM (2pX/F)
I know, and that's why I mentioned it. I've seen it a number of times recently and it's really jarring. And the men do look like they're professionals.
Posted by: Pat* at May 05, 2019 11:22 PM (2pX/F)
I know, and that's why I mentioned it. I've seen it a number of times recently and it's really jarring. And the men do look like they're professionals.
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buckaroos?
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