Supreme Court May Be Leaning Towards Permitting Citizenship-Status Question on Census

Hawaiian judges had blocked the addition of the question -- which had previously been asked on the census -- claiming that there were some violations in procedure.

The leftwing justices -- the ones that NeverTrump has fought so hard to pack the court with -- seem to think that the question is illegal because it might reduce self-reporting of illegals on the census. Which could reduce their numbers as far as House of Representatives apportionment -- which strikes most of us as the proper outcome, because why should noncitizens be counted as citizens for purposes of allocating House seats?

The justices that NeverTrump fights to keep off the court signaled that they didn't understand why the census can ask so many intrusive questions but not this one.

It is a major fight over executive power with stark implications for the fight over immigration, and for national elections. Critics say adding the question would discourage many immigrants from being counted. How the justices rule could affect how many seats states have in the House of Representatives and their share of federal dollars over the next 10 years.
The 85-minute oral argument Tuesday grew testy at times, with several on the bench interrupting counsel repeatedly, and others offering lengthy explanations of their legal positions.
The four left-leaning justices pressed the solicitor general for the Justice Department to explain the reasoning behind the citizenship question, noting experts at the Census Bureau have said the citizenship question could lead to an undercount of as many as 6.5 million, especially in urban areas.
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But several justices on the right questioned whether the citizenship question alone would cause an inaccurate census, saying the survey routinely asks a range of questions on the form, beyond the number of people in a household.
"The principal purpose is to count the population, but we've had demographic questions on the census," said Chief Justice John Roberts. "Sex, age, things like that."

PJ Media puts it succinctly (last major item):

It might decrease minority participation if the minorities in question are not citizens. If states want to harbor illegal immigrants, let them pick up the tab, but they can't have more seats in Congress because they are counting people who are not legal voters.

Meanwhile, Trump instructs a executive branch official to defy a congressional ~~subpoena~~ harassment.

The White House is telling a former official to ignore a subpoena from House Democrats, the Trump administration’s latest move to fight back against investigations into the president.
Carl Kline, a former White House official who had oversight of security clearances for the administration, was issued a subpoena and ordered to appear Tuesday for an interview by the House Oversight Committee. Late Monday, the White House told Kline not to appear for the deposition...
Trump lawyer Michael Purpura claimed the subpoena threatens confidential information, saying in a statement that it "unconstitutionally encroaches on fundamental executive branch interests."

The subpoena is about the #Resistance "whistleblower" who blocked a lot of Trump appointees from getting security clearances, and now complains that the president did what it is unquestionably his right to do -- he gave them security clearances.

The executive power is vested in a President. Lesser officials have powers delegated to them by the president. When he wants to take that back, because, say, he sees all of his appointees being roadblocked and slowrolled by #TheResistance, he can do so.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 07:09 PM

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1 I would have been first but I read the content.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 23, 2019 07:11 PM (JUOKG)

2 Trump was right to reject the Congressional subpoena, but he didn't really need to drop trou and moon them. Didn't hurt, though.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:11 PM (T6t7i)

3 This really ought to be a slam dunk obvious case, but you can never really tell. Especially early on. The court was just savagely destroying Obama's lawyers on the ACA and everything looked to be going against them but apparently it was just all for show.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:11 PM (39g3+)

4 Put a chalk mark on them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:11 PM (bsfko)

5 The Hawaiian judge immediately moved to cast Trump into a volcano.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:12 PM (T6t7i)

6 but they can't have more seats in Congress because they are counting people who are not legal voters.

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Not counting the ones that are voting outright, this is the entire reason the (D)s are willing to go to the mat for them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:12 PM (bsfko)

7 Put a chalk mark on them.

"UNCONSTITUTIONAL!"
--6th circuit court

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:12 PM (39g3+)

8 The four left-leaning justices pressed the solicitor general for the
Justice Department to explain the reasoning behind the citizenship
question, noting experts at the Census Bureau have said the citizenship
question could lead to an undercount of as many as 6.5 million,
especially in urban areas.

Oh, %$* you. You can't undercount people who AREN'T AMERICANS.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:13 PM (T6t7i)

9 The Hawaiian judge immediately moved to cast Trump into a volcano.
Posted by: pep

When can we give Hawaii back to the japs?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2019 07:13 PM (DKgtk)

10 It doesn't matter if the census question depresses non-citizen participation. One citizen, one vote, one head counted for seat apportioning - that's non-negotiable.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 23, 2019 07:13 PM (eAshZ)

11 Put a chalk mark on them.

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"UNCONSTITUTIONAL!"
--6th circuit court

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Well, okay. If you say so.

(Develops drive-by recognition software to record tens of thousands of individuals in a permanent database each and every day)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:14 PM (bsfko)

12 This really ought to be a slam dunk obvious case, but you can never really tell. Especially early on. The court was just savagely destroying Obama's lawyers on the ACA and everything looked to be going against them but apparently it was just all for show.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

It would have been 30 years ago.

But the GOP decided long ago that the US deserves to be leveled and made into Brazil with nukes because there's money in wrecking a nation I guess.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2019 07:14 PM (uAgHA)

13 What say ye, John Roberts?

Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2019 07:14 PM (90T4r)

14 Hawaiian Judge will put an injunction on the SC ruling until he can decide if it is constitutional.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (dNzKv)

15 Develops drive-by recognition software to record tens of thousands of individuals in a permanent database each and every day

That's really the most reasonable alternative, and that's supposed to be LESS of an invasion of privacy somehow? Just insane.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (39g3+)

16 With respect, your honor, that is not the issue before the court. The issue of whether this is a good idea or not is not within the court's purview. The issue is whether the executive has the constitutional authority to do so.

I'm not even a lawyer and I get this.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (gC2IV)

17 "The four left-leaning justices pressed the solicitor general for the
Justice Department to explain the reasoning behind the citizenship
question, noting experts at the Census Bureau have said the citizenship
question could lead to an undercount of as many as 6.5 million,
especially in urban areas."

Pretty sure the notorious rbg was not asking any questions during this session.......

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (JUOKG)

18 Clearly, this question Taxes our patience.

Thus, I will side with Congress, because... Tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (NgKpN)

19 How about only taxpayers voting?

Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (90T4r)

20 The witch hunts will continue until morale improves.

For the embedded-like-ticks libs, that is.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (Z4rgH)

21 So, is this one of those cases where Obama yanks the leash on Roberts?

Posted by: Biergood at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (uGKH7)

22 I got a notice this year that said I didn't need an emissions inspection because they'd already tested my car while I was driving down the road. I hate paying the mouthbreathers at the gas station and wasting my time, but this sort of intrusive monitoring is a step way too far.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (T6t7i)

23 The entire classification system is based on successive Executive Orders! It's all derived from Presidential authority. If Congress doesn't like that, let them pass laws specifying classification levels, need to know, and the like. Maddening.

Posted by: Beltway Elite at April 23, 2019 07:15 PM (b6kHD)

24 Hoping the SC votes to keep the citizenship question just nc the left has been so nasty to Wilbur Ross, who is probably close to ninety.

Posted by: Ever at April 23, 2019 07:16 PM (Pn0FW)

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Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:16 PM (bsfko)

26

btw, April Ryan didn't "spazz out."

Fake News cnn's April Ryan Issued A Jihadist FATWA Against the WH Press Secretary.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 23, 2019 07:16 PM (QBI7Q)

27 have the usual suspects compared not counting non-citizens to the 3/5ths compromise?

Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2019 07:16 PM (Izzlo)

28 What the Left is REALLY afraid of?

An accurate count.

Because when the US Citizen hears there is 30 Million illegals here, not the 11 the Government says, they will be pissed.

Posted by: Don Q at April 23, 2019 07:17 PM (NgKpN)

29

Census numbers determine representation, among other stuff, but non citizens can have no say in government.

They're here by our sufferance and nothing more.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 23, 2019 07:17 PM (KATBx)

30 Not tired of winning

Posted by: rammajamma at April 23, 2019 07:17 PM (xceTB)

31 I always avoid the Census and throw it out when it arrives.

The homeless wino who is hired to canvas my AO just fills in what xe thinks is appropriate and moves on.

Garbage in/Garbage out.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 23, 2019 07:17 PM (Z+IKu)

32 have the usual suspects compared not counting non-citizens to the 3/5ths compromise?

Its come up, yeah

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:18 PM (39g3+)

33
I'll tell you right now it will be a 5-4 opinion against the administration. Roberts is a piece of shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 23, 2019 07:18 PM (QBI7Q)

34 People always talk about census this and census that, but in my entire life I have never been "counted" by the census (to my knowledge). No census person has ever come to my door; I've never gotten a phone call from the Census Bureau; never gotten a snailmail letter; never gotten an email.

Anyone else have this experience?

I had always assumed, based in my experience (or lack thereof), that the Census Bureau merely estimates the number of people in the US, and doesn't actually do a head count. But when I mentioned my never-been-counted experience in an earlier thread once, people told me that No indeed, they do an actual head count of every single person. Is that true? And if so, why have they never counted me?

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2019 07:18 PM (5tb4C)

35 Roberts Bader Ginsberg

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:18 PM (bsfko)

36 "The principal purpose is to count the population, but we've had demographic questions on the census," said Chief Justice John Roberts. "Sex, age, things like that."

little known fact: the notion of the binary gender was foist upon the world by herman hollerith because he only had limited space on the punched cards used for the 1890 census. before the intrusion of the technopoly, the full spectrum of gender expression was generally available.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 23, 2019 07:19 PM (sGtp+)

37 Chewbacca was not in the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot, therefore, it's a tax and the lower court ruling stands.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at April 23, 2019 07:19 PM (Izzlo)

38 But when I mentioned my never-been-counted experience in an earlier
thread once, people told me that No indeed, they do an actual head count
of every single person. Is that true? And if so, why have they never
counted me?

I believe it's because you are on this site, and are therefore unreliable. An antisocial element, if you will.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:20 PM (T6t7i)

39 And if so, why have they never counted me?

Because you're a zombie.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 23, 2019 07:20 PM (dUJdY)

40 34 People always talk about census this and census that, but in my entire life I have never been "counted" by the census (to my knowledge). No census person has ever come to my door; I've never gotten a phone call from the Census Bureau; never gotten a snailmail letter; never gotten an email.

Anyone else have this experience?

nope. i was counted in the 2010 census. the puzzler was whether i own or rent my house; being trailer trash, i own the trailer, but rent the space.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 23, 2019 07:20 PM (sGtp+)

41 And if so, why have they never counted me?
Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2019 07:18 PM (5tb4C)

Unlike voting they never count dead people.

Zombies will be included when the next Democrat President comes into office.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2019 07:20 PM (FSPNP)

42 No census person has ever come to my door; I've never gotten a phone call from the Census Bureau; never gotten a snailmail letter; never gotten an email.

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During Obama's reign of errors I had to tell one to leave my property after she starting getting borderline violent when I explained to her that I had answered her questions and didn't care to listen to her campaigning and insistence that I something something my fair share.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:20 PM (bsfko)

43 The census case is Yuge.

Just win.

Posted by: Ha at April 23, 2019 07:21 PM (MAstk)

44 And if so, why have they never counted me?

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2019 07:18 PM (5tb4C)

Silly girl. It's because you're a zombie and already dead. You only get to vote dem.

Posted by: Old Blue at April 23, 2019 07:21 PM (gEvQ8)

45 Que Street is muy powerful.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:21 PM (bsfko)

46 I had always assumed, based in my experience (or lack thereof), that the Census Bureau merely estimates the number of people in the US, and doesn't actually do a head count. But when I mentioned my never-been-counted experience in an earlier thread once, people told me that No indeed, they do an actual head count of every single person. Is that true? And if so, why have they never counted me?
Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2019 07:18 PM (5tb4C)

The full census is only conducted every ten years. So it's not an annual thing, like filing taxes or renewing your car registration. You might have gotten a form in the mail and thought it was junk.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 23, 2019 07:21 PM (t+qrx)

47 Shit.

Posted by: Judge Kalikimaka at April 23, 2019 07:21 PM (v0R5T)

48 }The principal purpose is to count the population, but we've had demographic questions on the census," said Chief Justice John Roberts

No you treacherous piece of trash, the constitutional purpose is to count the population. Other questions have at time been added to the census or taken away at the president's discretion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:21 PM (39g3+)

49 got a notice this year that said I didn't need an emissions inspection because they'd already tested my car while I was driving down the road. I hate paying the mouthbreathers at the gas station and wasting my time, but this sort of intrusive monitoring is a step way too far.

Just learned that 3rd party companies such as car mechanics and those quicky oil change places report your odometer readings to your insurance company.

I'll be contacting the ones I recently used telling them I will never use them again and will inform others in the form of negative reviews.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at April 23, 2019 07:22 PM (hl+1U)

50 A census worker tried to test me. I ate his rectum with a nice merlot.

Posted by: Peter Strzok at April 23, 2019 07:22 PM (/tuJf)

51 The principal purpose is to count the population, but we've had demographic questions on the census," said Chief Justice John Roberts

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If they can ask about my toilet then they can ask about citizenship status.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:22 PM (bsfko)

52 But when I mentioned my never-been-counted experience in an earlier

thread once, people told me that No indeed, they do an actual head count

of every single person. Is that true? And if so, why have they never

counted me
Don't want to hit this too hard but, have you seen the Sixth Sense?

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at April 23, 2019 07:22 PM (LOq4H)

53 Does the census count for House apportionment purposes people who are here legally but just passing through. Like tourists in Times Square. Am asking. Isn't the answer no

Then why isn't the question relevant at a basic threshold level. FFS that's why we have the Census in the first place

What am I missing

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 23, 2019 07:22 PM (zoGEx)

54 Have the Census put me down for three: me and deez nutz.

Posted by: Regular joe at April 23, 2019 07:22 PM (6/uwW)

55

It ain't over until the fat Hawaiian judge sings Somewhere Over the Rainbow.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2019 07:23 PM (aKsyK)

56 Old blue.Dang the horde mind.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at April 23, 2019 07:23 PM (LOq4H)

57 Not getting my hopes up.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM (vDqXW)

58 Every ten years the census is taken and for a deal of that time, where you were born, where were your father and mother born, year of birth, etc, was asked. The whole reason for a census is not just, hey how many humans occupy the territory of the United States, but how many citizens, ages, where did they migrate from, etc - so the US Government could more fully understand who they serve and protect. Its gob-smacking that anyone who would rise to the level of a SC Justice is incapable of surmising this.

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM (32YRo)

59 What the Left is REALLY afraid of?

An accurate count.

Because when the US Citizen hears there is 30 Million illegals here, not the 11 the Government says, they will be pissed.
Posted by: Don Q at April 23, 2019 07:17 PM (NgKpN)

Nailed it.

And as a bonus, they lose power and money.

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM (XROPS)

60 got a notice this year that said I didn't need an emissions inspection because they'd already tested my car while I was driving down the road.

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Our 2017 Super Ultra Low Emissions Accord has to be tested annually. The 1991 Mitsubishi cruising around Charlotte with a solid black bumper above the exhaust is exempt, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM (bsfko)

61 how about a compromise. the question doesn't get asked and votes for dem candidates are tallied at 60% as an aggregate adjustment.

Posted by: x at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM (nFwvY)

62
Does the census count for House apportionment purposes people who are here legally but just passing through. Like tourists in Times Square. Am asking. Isn't the answer no

How about college students in the dorm?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM (aKsyK)

63 It been there in the last hundred years often, Leftists should try for the 2/3rds like there fore father's did to count illegals.

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM (BbGew)

64 The full census is only conducted every ten years. So it's not an annual thing, like filing taxes or renewing your car registration. You might have gotten a form in the mail and thought it was junk.
Posted by: hogmartin

No, I was looking for any such letter back in 2010, and was careful not to toss anything that looked even vaguely official. But nothing ever showed up. I am sure of that.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM (5tb4C)

65 What am I missing

The Good n' Plenty clause requires all law be seen through the lens of how this affects Democrat political power

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM (39g3+)

66 Demunists want "rotten boroughs". Not just of illegals, ind you, but also in many cities there are large numbers of perfectly legal Resident Aliens. Nothing wrong with those people, but they should not be counted for apportionment of Congress districts.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:25 PM (ujg0T)

67 It's amazing how the US population has gained 100 million people since the 80s but we've somehow still only got 11 million illegals.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:25 PM (bsfko)

68 When California loses five or more seats in Congress, people will look around and see what a fuckjob they and others have been playing on us all these years.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2019 07:25 PM (oVJmc)

69 Small population States get screwed when non-citizens are counted in the census. Just as they are if their state decides to give up their electoral votes by going the national population "winner". Of course that's the whole point of counting non-citizens.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at April 23, 2019 07:25 PM (hl+1U)

70 Unlike voting they never count dead people. Zombies will be included when the next Democrat President comes into office.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2019 07:20 PM (FSPNP)
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If we draw the line at dead people, where will we draw the line next?!

Posted by: Bernie 2020 at April 23, 2019 07:26 PM (vDqXW)

71 Q#1 English! Do you speak it motherfucker?

Posted by: sOME mORON at April 23, 2019 07:26 PM (k3N8X)

72 I don't count on Roberts, but this would be a tough one to rule against, even for a squish.

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:26 PM (XROPS)

73 The full census is only conducted every ten
years. So it's not an annual thing, like filing taxes or renewing your
car registration. You might have gotten a form in the mail and thought
it was junk.

Posted by: hogmartin

No, I was looking for any such letter back in 2010, and was careful
not to toss anything that looked even vaguely official. But nothing ever
showed up. I am sure of that.

Posted by: zombie at April 23, 2019 07:24 PM

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Same here, never got the postcard or a letter or a visit from a census worker.

And the wife worked on the 2010 census.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 23, 2019 07:27 PM (JUOKG)

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 23, 2019 07:27 PM (eAshZ)

75 I wonder... were the strings attached to RBG's head and hands visible?

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:27 PM (XROPS)

76 Well this sounds totally normal.

In the fall of 2016, Buzzfeed got $1.5 million directly from Priorities USA, Obama's PAC.

https://tinyurl.com/y4m3rjqc

Total coincidence.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2019 07:28 PM (/tuJf)

77 When California loses five or more seats in Congress, people will look around and see what a fuckjob they and others have been playing on us all these years.

Well, see, that's the real concern here. This isn't about legal issues or the census, this is about who gets what power, how the electoral college and congressional districts are drawn etc. Especially its about how much things change from 2010 when Obama took over the census and had his homeys run it.

California could easily lose a ton of power in congress and the EC by having illegals not counted. And the Democrats will do whatever they have to in order to stop that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:28 PM (39g3+)

78 Interesting, zombie, that you never received mail on this. I have in the past for each decade year as long as I have been a homeowner (2000, 2010, and I assume on track for 2020)

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:28 PM (ujg0T)

79
69 Small population States get screwed when non-citizens are counted in the census

thus the need to dump undocumenteds in the lower-population states to goose their numbers.

you're welcome.

Posted by: ear leader at April 23, 2019 07:28 PM (sGtp+)

80 I don't count on Roberts, but this would be a tough one to rule against, even for a squish.

Posted by: LASue

He's already shown that he's impervious to embarrassing himself on a legal intellectual level, but, yeah, this takes idiocy to whole new level if he votes that no one in government should know who is a citizen or not.

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 07:29 PM (32YRo)

81 I'm already seeing lefties on a twitter list of local peeps who say they will not answer the citizenship question because we live in a red state. First of all it's light purple, not red. 2nd of all, I wonder since they are obviously dems if the always break the law or if this will be the first time.

Technically it is illegal to not answer a census question right?
I'm trying to come up with a snarky reply to the next one I see just for fun but I'm blank.

And to be honest, I remember being so pissed off and unhinged about Odumbass in 2010 that I had the same thoughts about the census. I don't remember why but I did. Seems like a long time ago now.

Posted by: kahall at April 23, 2019 07:29 PM (h6hOp)

82
73 Same here, never got the postcard or a letter or a visit from a census worker.

And the wife worked on the 2010 census.

maybe she gave at the office.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 23, 2019 07:29 PM (sGtp+)

83 68 When California loses five or more seats in Congress, people will look around and see what a fuckjob they and others have been playing on us all these years.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2019 07:25 PM (oVJmc)

I SO want this to happen. Certain districts were only elected with a few thousand actual votes, the bulk of the population being legal Resident Aliens if not outright illegals. And NONE of those districts are ever GOP ones, or even GOPee ones.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:30 PM (ujg0T)

84 33
I'll tell you right now it will be a 5-4 opinion against the administration. Roberts is a piece of shit.
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 23, 2019 07:18 PM (QBI7Q)

Well, that's not very soothing.

Posted by: clutch at April 23, 2019 07:30 PM (kiSdp)

85 This will also affect EVs and state legislatures.

Posted by: Ha at April 23, 2019 07:30 PM (MAstk)

86

The democrats are playing all of these games while the country rots, blocking Trump from making it greater than ever.

Stunning to watch the toilet politics.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:30 PM (DBRY5)

87 Yes, Virginia, John Roberts is a piece of shit.

Posted by: Santa the Omniscient at April 23, 2019 07:31 PM (hjaPQ)

88 It sounds like we have a lot of illegal Canadiens and Irish in our midst, so I don't see this as a racial issue at all.

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:31 PM (XROPS)

89 I'll tell you right now it will be a 5-4 opinion against the administration. Roberts is a piece of shit.

I'm prepared for that, but hoping otherwise. What is obvious and true is not always what you get from the court, particularly on big important rulings like this one.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:31 PM (39g3+)

90 >>50 A census worker tried to test me. I ate his rectum with a nice merlot.
Posted by: Peter Strzok at April 23, 2019 07:22 PM (/tuJf)

Not champagne?

Posted by: Steve Kroft at April 23, 2019 07:32 PM (QE8X6)

91 Illegals will just lie and claim to be citizens on the form. Who is going to check and go after them for lying?

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at April 23, 2019 07:32 PM (N5dam)

92 12
But the GOP decided long ago that the US deserves to be leveled and made into Brazil with nukes because there's money in wrecking a nation I guess.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2019 07:14 PM (uAgHA)

Money to be made in stripping the middle class of its wealth, at least.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2019 07:32 PM (sdi6R)

93 The democrats are playing all of these games while the country rots, blocking Trump from making it greater than ever.

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I knew we were in trouble when they began openly trying to start a nuclear war with Russia just because they lost an election.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:32 PM (bsfko)

94

Who would be the douchejudge to defy the country again?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:32 PM (DBRY5)

95 Which could reduce their numbers as far as House of Representatives apportionment -- which strikes most of us as the proper outcome, because why should noncitizens be counted as citizens for purposes of allocating House seats?

Should people who might and should be deported at any moment be counted? What about tourists?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 23, 2019 07:33 PM (uDfiu)

96 I don't count on Roberts, but this would be a tough one to rule against, even for a squish.

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:26 PM (XROPS)

You're kidding....right? After watching that fuckstick twist himself like a Gordian knot to preserve Obamacare, I would not put it past him at all to rule against the administration.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 23, 2019 07:33 PM (eIlkN)

97 Not champagne?

"Don't be ridiculous, you never eat colon with a white"
--Hannibal Lector

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:33 PM (39g3+)

98
Fake News cnn's April Ryan Issued A Jihadist FATWA Against the WH Press Secretary.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 23, 2019 07:16 PM (QBI7Q)

This is rated: TRUE.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 23, 2019 07:34 PM (sy5kK)

99 I heard John Roberts is a piece of shit. Anybody else hear that?

Posted by: Amy Schumer at April 23, 2019 07:34 PM (hjaPQ)

100 97 Not champagne?

"Don't be ridiculous, you never eat colon with a white"
--Hannibal Lector
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:33 PM (39g3+)

NOT ONE Fava Beans and a nice Chianti reference? It's like I don't know you all.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:34 PM (ujg0T)

101 The "left leaning" justices already know their vote, just like their Obamacare and gay marriage decisions. We've got what, five justices that might actually think about issues and the broad legal questions regarding them?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:34 PM (bsfko)

102 I'll tell you right now it will be a 5-4 opinion against the administration. Roberts is a piece of shit.
Posted by: Soothsayer

I would never under estimate how a "intellectual" mind can twist logic into a pretzel in order to reach an outcome that person just "feelz" - Roberts has been able to contort himself right out of basic human thought needed for everyday living skills when he "feelz".

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 07:35 PM (32YRo)

103 I don't count on Roberts, but this would be a tough one to rule against, even for a squish.

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:26 PM (XROPS)

You're kidding....right? After watching that fuckstick twist himself like a Gordian knot to preserve Obamacare, I would not put it past him at all to rule against the administration.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 23, 2019 07:33 PM (eIlkN)

if they still have something on him
or if he's sleeping with...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:35 PM (DBRY5)

104 If the SC decision on this is anything less than 9-0, the traitors have been self-identified.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 23, 2019 07:35 PM (sy5kK)

105 97
Not champagne?

"Don't be ridiculous, you never eat colon with a white"

--Hannibal Lector

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Only a brut would do that.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:36 PM (T6t7i)

106 NOT ONE Fava Beans and a nice Chianti reference? It's like I don't know you all.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:34 PM (ujg0T)

It gets worse, nobody's yet pointed out that the quoted article includes "the 85-minute oral argument Tuesday grew testy at times..."

...nothing?

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 23, 2019 07:36 PM (t+qrx)

107 The executive power is vested

Moar executing, less pension vesting.

Posted by: DaveA at April 23, 2019 07:36 PM (FhXTo)

108 Heaven help me, I got one of the long-form census notices. I had to do it online and it was remarkably intrusive and took several hours. Ethnicity, bathrooms, bedrooms, income, property tax, education levels, children, etc. I don't think they asked about pets, though.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 23, 2019 07:36 PM (MIKMs)

109 The homeless wino who is hired to canvas my AO just fills in what xe thinks is appropriate and moves on.
.........

Well, now we know why Ace has never been counted.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (v0R5T)

110

How could RBG even vote against it. But she probably will.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (DBRY5)

111 "Does this house, apartment or mobile home have a flush toilet?"
[X] ALLOWED
[ ] NOT ALLOWED

"Are you a citizen of the United States?"
[ ] ALLOWED
[X] NOT ALLOWED

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (bsfko)

112 104
If the SC decision on this is anything less than 9-0, the traitors have been self-identified.

Oh, I think that ship has long since sailed, and circumnavigated the globe several times.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (T6t7i)

113

Npr's Nina Totebag seems to think Trump will win this decision.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (aKsyK)

114 It always chaps people to hear the Constitutional niceties, but the Constitution mandates that the Census count all PERSONS, not all citizens. Article 1, Section 2. It's language dating from long before the 14th Amendment, where Citizenship was addressed for the very first time, but it's still there.

Bottom line - until it's changed, the Constitution demands that Congressional Seats be apportioned on the basis of all Persons counted, not all citizens.

Why the Dems are mad about the question is that they think including the question will scare off illegals from answering, and thus will make their representation drop. But there's no question that if they're counted, they count towards Congressional Representation, no matter what their citizenship status is. Them's the rules, until we amend the Constitution.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (V2Yro)

115 What did I just watch in the sidebar? LOL, I'm genuinely confused.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (5aX2M)

116 A lot of Federal judges seem to deserve a bad case of Kuwaiti Anal Wurm.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2019 07:38 PM (dCvLR)

117 "With which digit do you pick your nose?"

[X] ALLOWED

[ ] NOT ALLOWED

"Are you a citizen of the United States?"

[ ] ALLOWED

[X] NOT ALLOWED

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:38 PM (T6t7i)

118 The four left-leaning justices pressed the solicitor general for the
Justice Department to explain the reasoning behind the citizenship
question, noting experts at the Census Bureau have said the citizenship
question could lead to an undercount of as many as 6.5 million,
especially in urban areas.

--------

Maybe knowing the number of citizens as opposed to invaders, oops, I mean immigrants is important.

Posted by: MAGA at April 23, 2019 07:38 PM (HFT7R)

119
Why should non-citizens receive anything? Especially illegals ones?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 23, 2019 07:39 PM (HaL55)

120 No Irish!
Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2019 06:57 PM (/tuJf)
~~~~~

I've got eyes in the back of my head! 😡

Posted by: IrishEi at April 23, 2019 07:39 PM (NtglE)

121 It's a hand up RBG's ass that makes her move.

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2019 07:39 PM (BbGew)

122 What did I just watch in the sidebar? LOL, I'm genuinely confused.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (5aX2M)

I like the Brie Larson clip.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:39 PM (DBRY5)

123 For those down on Roberts, he was the leader of the most critical questions in oral arguments today. He pretty much shredded the case against Trump.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:40 PM (V2Yro)

124 I'm a little nervous about the coming WaPo op-eds accusing me of being hurtful to brown people.

Posted by: ROBERTS at April 23, 2019 07:40 PM (MAstk)

125 So when the census doesn't count every person then it's unconstitutional?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:40 PM (bsfko)

126 I have ruled that the Supreme Court is unconstitutional! All cases from now on should end with me!

Posted by: Power-mad Hawaiian Judge on the Ninth Circus Kangaroo Kourt of App-Eels at April 23, 2019 07:40 PM (tVQUs)

127 >>I've got eyes in the back of my head!

Did they see this?

https://tinyurl.com/y4m3rjqc

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2019 07:41 PM (/tuJf)

128 114
It always chaps people to hear the Constitutional niceties, but the
Constitution mandates that the Census count all PERSONS, not all
citizens. Article 1, Section 2. It's language dating from long before
the 14th Amendment, where Citizenship was addressed for the very first
time, but it's still there.

Bottom line - until it's changed, the Constitution demands that
Congressional Seats be apportioned on the basis of all Persons counted,
not all citizens.
================

You know, the Union of South Africa has a much better constitution.
The real USA!

Posted by: Ruth Buzzard at April 23, 2019 07:41 PM (sy5kK)

129 Count every person, and apportion for every citizen. Done and done.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:41 PM (bsfko)

130
How could RBG even vote against it. But she probably will.

Her hologram can't yet vote. But the next upgrade to the software should

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 23, 2019 07:41 PM (HaL55)

131 Fuck them with a rusty T-Post because it has as many barbs as satan's cock

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2019 07:41 PM (+0faA)

132 I haven't kept up. Has there been an RBG photo in 2019 yet?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:42 PM (bsfko)

133 Pretty sure the notorious rbg was not asking any questions during this session...
----------
Ouija boards are allowed in U.S. courts?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 23, 2019 07:42 PM (Dh1wo)

134 Would be nice if Our Distant Masters in Black Dresses would deal with the "Hey, being required to show the same ID you use to buy fucking beer every day in order to vote is not, like, racist" issue.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 23, 2019 07:42 PM (Y3hKx)

135 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:40 PM (V2Yro)

Seemed he was that way when they heard the Obamacare case too. Then he completely pretzeled.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 23, 2019 07:42 PM (eIlkN)

136 Among pieces of shit, I'm both chief and supreme.

Posted by: John Roberts, Piece of Shit at April 23, 2019 07:42 PM (hjaPQ)

137 For those down on Roberts, he was the leader of the most critical questions in oral arguments today. He pretty much shredded the case against Trump.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:40 PM (V2Yro)

good to know

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:42 PM (DBRY5)

138 Her hologram can't yet vote. But the next upgrade to the software should

Posted by: BackwardsBoy

How many quatloos will she vote on this question I wonder...

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (32YRo)

139 If the SC decision on this is anything less than 9-0, the traitors have been self-identified.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 23, 2019 07:35 PM (sy5kK)

How can I be a traitor if my Clerks cast all my votes for me?

Posted by: RBG at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (tVQUs)

140 Well, if Roberts is ruling correctly on this minor immigration question, I'm sure it's to establish a little "fair-and-balanced" credibility for the time when he rules against the President on a mission-critical immigration question.

He is a snake in the grass.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (5aX2M)

141 Has there been an RBG photo in 2019 yet?

Only pictures so far have been from that one website that recycled some from a few years ago claiming they were new.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (39g3+)

142 Missed most of Rush on Martha.
Will have to look for replays.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (DBRY5)

143 The "left leaning" justices already know their vote, just like their Obamacare and gay marriage decisions. We've got what, five justices that might actually think about issues and the broad legal questions regarding them?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:34 PM (bsfko)
---
They are the super-legislature that the founders said would invalidate their purpose.

But what can you tell a super-legislature.

I heard on Beck's show the story of NFIB v. Sebelius. Apparently, the vote was 5-4 for knocking Abysmalcare out. And Roberts horse-traded his opinion with the libs, just lie a legislator does.

I used to think that it was enough that Roberts saved us from the precedent that Congress could compel action to regulate it. But now that I know he things horse-trading votes is a role for SCOTUS decisions, it's not.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (vDqXW)

144 114 It always chaps people to hear the Constitutional niceties, but the Constitution mandates that the Census count all PERSONS, not all citizens. Article 1, Section 2. It's language dating from long before the 14th Amendment, where Citizenship was addressed for the very first time, but it's still there.

Bottom line - until it's changed, the Constitution demands that Congressional Seats be apportioned on the basis of all Persons counted, not all citizens.

Why the Dems are mad about the question is that they think including the question will scare off illegals from answering, and thus will make their representation drop. But there's no question that if they're counted, they count towards Congressional Representation, no matter what their citizenship status is. Them's the rules, until we amend the Constitution.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (V2Yro)

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be
determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Obviously, the three fifths of all other (non-free) persons dropped off with the 13th amendment, and Indians not taxed dropped off with taxation, or did those?

Are non-citizens to be defined as "Free persons"?

This could be interesting.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (ujg0T)

145 114 It always chaps people to hear the Constitutional niceties, but the Constitution mandates that the Census count all PERSONS, not all citizens. Article 1, Section 2. It's language dating from long before the 14th Amendment, where Citizenship was addressed for the very first time, but it's still there.

Bottom line - until it's changed, the Constitution demands that Congressional Seats be apportioned on the basis of all Persons counted, not all citizens.

Why the Dems are mad about the question is that they think including the question will scare off illegals from answering, and thus will make their representation drop. But there's no question that if they're counted, they count towards Congressional Representation, no matter what their citizenship status is. Them's the rules, until we amend the Constitution.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (V2Yro)

I call with the necessary and proper clause, and raise with the interstate commerce clause. I'm pretty sure between the two the Supreme Court has ruled we can commit genocide on citizens, so this should be a piece of cake. Or if that doesn't work we can announce we're going to sterilize everyone who answers no on the citizenship question, or yes in a false manner(Buck v Bell still hasn't been overturned so perfectly legal).

Posted by: Someguy at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (mX8Vr)

146 62
Does the census count for House apportionment purposes people who are here legally but just passing through. Like tourists in Times Square. Am asking. Isn't the answer no

How about college students in the dorm? "

It should only be of permanent residents - those in a hotel, for example, shouldn't be counted. College students should be counted wherever their permanent domicile is.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (V2Yro)

147 For those down on Roberts, he was the leader of the most critical questions in oral arguments today. He pretty much shredded the case against Trump.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:40 PM (V2Yro)

--

So just like before Obamacare became a tax, then.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:44 PM (bsfko)

148

>>I've got eyes in the back of my head!

Bevis!!

https://youtu.be/kM6QAMxrxvg

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2019 07:44 PM (aKsyK)

149 For those down on Roberts, he was the leader of the most critical questions in oral arguments today. He pretty much shredded the case against Trump.

Yeah he hammered Obama's lawyers in the ACA case, too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:44 PM (39g3+)

150 May I offer you some cham-pon-yuh?

Posted by: The Continental at April 23, 2019 07:44 PM (aBR7R)

151 132
I haven't kept up. Has there been an RBG photo in 2019 yet?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:42 PM (bsfko)

A couple of months ago, the Leftie press showed a pic of Ruthie Buzzard walking in the DC airport, but it was later shown to be an old video from mid-2018.
So, no.
How does Roberts sleep at night?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 23, 2019 07:44 PM (sy5kK)

152 Which could reduce their numbers as far as House of Representatives apportionment -- which strikes most of us as the proper outcome, because why should noncitizens be counted as citizens for purposes of allocating House seats?

Bull's eye.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 23, 2019 07:44 PM (Tc1vu)

153 Bottom line - until it's changed, the Constitution demands that Congressional Seats be apportioned on the basis of all Persons counted, not all citizens.

That doesn't really have any relevance here, though. This doesn't say that the census shouldn't count some people, only that it will carry a question about legality. If some choose not to answer because of that, the burden is on them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:45 PM (39g3+)

154
Obviously, the three fifths of all other (non-free) persons dropped off with the 13th amendment, and Indians not taxed dropped off with taxation, or did those?

Are non-citizens to be defined as "Free persons"?

This could be interesting.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (ujg0T)

Indians have always had a special status as they're foreigners subject to another jurisdiction(not being covered by the 14th amendment but a later law for instance).

Posted by: Someguy at April 23, 2019 07:45 PM (mX8Vr)

155 So Congress issues a subpoena?

What exactly is the poena if you don't show up? I seem to recall Eric Holder farting off a Congressional subpoena as well. If you can fart off a subpoena with impunity, isn't it misnamed?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 23, 2019 07:46 PM (Tc1vu)

156 Doesn't RGB have to be present during arguments if she's, you know, still alive?

Posted by: Biergood at April 23, 2019 07:46 PM (uGKH7)

157 The real question is should Roberts be included in the census, seeing as how he's a dirty snake and an insect, not a person at all?

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (T6t7i)

158 146 62
Does the census count for House apportionment purposes people who are here legally but just passing through. Like tourists in Times Square. Am asking. Isn't the answer no

How about college students in the dorm? "

It should only be of permanent residents - those in a hotel, for example, shouldn't be counted. College students should be counted wherever their permanent domicile is.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (V2Yro)

IIRC, there was a Supreme Court decision on this. It used to not matter so much when the voting wage was 21, but once it was 18 it did.

For the record, back when CA was still salvageable, I always kept my permanent address at the old San Jose ancestral homestead even when I was a student at Berkeley, because I knew voting in Berkeley would be hopeless.

But then San Jose changed too, once the defense contractors folded up. :-(

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (ujg0T)

159 I used to think that it was enough that Roberts saved us from the precedent that Congress could compel action to regulate it. But now that I know he things horse-trading votes is a role for SCOTUS decisions, it's not.

Posted by: Axeman

I had a feeling he was nothing more than a politician at his confirmation hearing - and to think the libs hated him - he was more them than us! His posturing will be for naught if Trump wins in 2020

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (32YRo)

160 Are non-citizens to be defined as "Free persons"?

This could be interesting.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (ujg0T)
---
No, they are more like "Indians not taxed". People just living in the area of the US.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (vDqXW)

161
Fox News headline: "Hillary Clinton: Anyone other than Trump would have been indicted for obstruction"

Anyone other than Hillary Clinton would be rotting in a Supermax for sedition and treason.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (LsBY9)

162 2020 National Democratic Primary:

Biden 30%
Sanders 24%
Buttigieg 9%
Harris 8%
Warren 7%
O'Rourke 6%
Booker 4%
Klobuchar 2%
Yang 2%
Inslee 1%
Hickenlooper 1%
Castro 1%

Posted by: Ha at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (MAstk)

163 Doesn't RGB have to be present during arguments if she's, you know, still alive?

According to reporters, she's there, but... in a modern culture where cameras are as common as tee shirts, where there is video surveillance everywhere, she's not been imaged ONCE, anywhere? By anyone???

Does this strike anyone as plausible? The last image of her was what, November of last year?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:48 PM (39g3+)

164 2020 National Democratic Primary:

Biden 30%
Sanders 24%
Buttigieg 9%
Harris 8%
Warren 7%
O'Rourke 6%
Booker 4%
Klobuchar 2%
Yang 2%
Inslee 1%
Hickenlooper 1%
Castro 1%
Posted by: Ha at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (MAstk)

old white men on top, lol

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (DBRY5)

165 108 Heaven help me, I got one of the long-form census notices. I had to do it online and it was remarkably intrusive and took several hours. Ethnicity, bathrooms, bedrooms, income, property tax, education levels, children, etc. I don't think they asked about pets, though.
Posted by: mustbequantum at April 23, 2019 07:36 PM (MIKMs)

I got the long form last time. I only answered the minimum number of questions to establish that I live here for purposes of representation and left the others blank. I never heard anything more from them.

Of course, I suppose a census worker could have filled out the rest of the questions any way they wanted to.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (sdi6R)

166 Does this strike anyone as plausible? The last image of her was what, November of last year?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

She's transitioning to the ethereal plane. It's tough to focus on her.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (T6t7i)

167 According to reporters, she's there, but... in a modern culture where cameras are as common as tee shirts, where there is video surveillance everywhere, she's not been imaged ONCE, anywhere? By anyone???

--

We literally just watched the Easter bunny in a fistfight, but the biggest political rockstar in the United States hasn't been seen by anyone for six months.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (bsfko)

168 So Congress issues a subpoena?

What exactly is the poena if you don't show up? I seem to recall Eric Holder farting off a Congressional subpoena as well. If you can fart off a subpoena with impunity, isn't it misnamed?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 23, 2019 07:46 PM (Tc1vu)
---
The Department of Treasury and the Department of Commerce *both* blew off Congressional subpoenas under Obama.

So Trump can say, just doing what Dems tolerated under No-Scandal-O.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (vDqXW)

169 1. Fire the asshole who kept rejecting security clearances and revoke his.
2. Go to each noncitizen house and check their immigration papers. If they are off or do not possess any then deport.
3. Ship the illegals to Hawaii. All beaches in Hawaii are public and they can pay their own way off the islands.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (TnxZ5)

170 National Democratic Primary

What did the GOP one look like in April of 2015? That tells you how much these polls matter or what they mean.

Hint: Trump was not on top

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (39g3+)

171
2020 National Democratic Primary:

We need a National Conversation about the racism and sexism among Democrats.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2019 07:50 PM (LsBY9)

172 164 2020 National Democratic Primary:

Biden 30%
Sanders 24%
Buttigieg 9%
Harris 8%
Warren 7%
O'Rourke 6%
Booker 4%
Klobuchar 2%
Yang 2%
Inslee 1%
Hickenlooper 1%
Castro 1%
Posted by: Ha at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (MAstk)

old white men on top, lol
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (DBRY5)

Even if he was at 30%, Buttgig would still be on the bottom.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 23, 2019 07:50 PM (NWiLs)

173 Bull's eye.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Yup - doubtful the founders thought that the British or the French should be counted in the census for representation in the US Congress if they occupied Newark or Westchester in 1800.

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 07:50 PM (32YRo)

174 160 Are non-citizens to be defined as "Free persons"?

This could be interesting.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:43 PM (ujg0T)
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No, they are more like "Indians not taxed". People just living in the area of the US.
Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (vDqXW)

That is what I was thinking -- Original Intent and all that. But I am no shyster, and Tom Servo may be right about all the precedent that has stacked up allowing them to be counted in the Census (and thus apportion districts)?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 23, 2019 07:50 PM (ujg0T)

175 020 National Democratic Primary:

Biden 30%
Sanders 24%
Buttigieg 9%
Harris 8%
Warren 7%
O'Rourke 6%
Booker 4%
Klobuchar 2%
Yang 2%
Inslee 1%
Hickenlooper 1%
Castro 1%
Posted by: Ha at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (MAstk)

old white men on top, lol
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (DBRY5)
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Dang! Castro's 1% ahead of me!

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (vDqXW)

176 119 Why should non-citizens receive anything? Especially illegals ones?

By address, mainly.

Even if this decision goes in Trump's favor, you can count on the Dems to launch a nationwide ad campaign, targeting illegals, urging them to ignore the citizenship question and BE COUNTED.

It's what they do. It's what they always do.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (Z4rgH)

177
Whoa! Inslee's up to 1%? Schedule the coronation!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (LsBY9)

178 Obviously, the three fifths of all other (non-free) persons dropped off with the 13th amendment, and Indians not taxed dropped off with taxation, or did those?

Are non-citizens to be defined as "Free persons"?

This could be interesting."

I did think about that - you're right, NO ONE wants to breathe a word about the infamous 3/5 clause. "Free persons" has always been understood to mean "anyone who isn't a slave". And iirc, all of the issues surrounding American Indian citizenship status were resolved in a massive bill passed by Congress in about 1920.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (V2Yro)

179 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (V2Yro)

Yes, Dems don't want this because they will have very hard time convincing their illegal consituents that if they answer the question, they won't be putting themselves at risk.

They are probably right. No criminal wants to admit on a government form they are a criminal, and admissions may involve stolen identifications. But if they lie and claim to be here legally, iirc,that also consitutes some type of federal crime (and the DOJ seems hot to prosecute process crimes right now!).

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (XROPS)

180 Ha, , earlier today I heard
Sanders30
Biden 18
Buttfucker 15

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (+0faA)

181 Did they see this?
https://tinyurl.com/y4m3rjqc
Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2019 07:41 PM (/tuJf)
~~~~~

Yep. Just saw your original comment on this. Looks like Twitter is trying to squash it, so I re-tweeted it to all 20 of my followers

for what that's worth.

So much coming out now---it's like drinking from a fire hose. I'm especially happy about Hillary and the Grand Jury! Not expecting orange jumpsuits, but I would be very happy just to see all these scoundrels exposed for the quislings that they are.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (NtglE)

182 132 I haven't kept up. Has there been an RBG photo in 2019 yet?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clemson's SOS makes the case for an expanded playoff at April 23, 2019 07:42 PM (bsfko)

It's the dog that didn't bark, isn't it?

If RBG were spry and fit as a fiddle, you KNOW the Reds would be flooding the zone with full page full color photos of her all the time. Why? Because 1) it suits their interests, and 2) it's newsworthy.

The fact they haven't done so is a clear indication that, at a minimum, she looks like stir-fried dog shit and appears to be a death's door.

Further to that, the Reds recently running a photo of her from back when underscores this point. On one hand, it shows that they appreciate the importance of showing her up and about, and on the other, that any current photo of her would have raised questions about her continuing on the bench.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (Tc1vu)

183 Roberts, like many others in DC, is being blackmailed.

Posted by: The Gimme Dats at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (nDe2U)

184
Yup - doubtful the founders thought that the
British or the French should be counted in the census for representation
in the US Congress if they occupied Newark or Westchester in 1800.

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 07:50 PM (32YRo)

A great question to ask John Roberts.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (sy5kK)

185 Off welfare sock

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 23, 2019 07:52 PM (nDe2U)

186 177

Whoa! Inslee's up to 1%? Schedule the coronation!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

He's about to be crushed by the juggernaut that is......Seth Moulton.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:52 PM (T6t7i)

187 I've gotten the long form for several years. I've never filled it out. They ring my phone off the hook and show up and pound on my door ro do this America Survey shit. My response is always GFY. My wife is freightened for these census peoples safety at this point because she knows I want to beat the shit out of them.

Posted by: Phil Hartmark F/K/A Truck Monkey at April 23, 2019 07:52 PM (9sTHX)

188 Gorgeous spring day here in Litchfield Hills. Peepers peeping. Just listened to Anna Sophie Mutter do the Dvorak Violin Concerto on Youtube and was completely blown away. There may have been some Costco vodka involved. Now remind me again, who is "John Roberts"?

Posted by: Caliban at April 23, 2019 07:52 PM (QE8X6)

189 Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (+0faA)

I think th a was NH not the national poll.

Posted by: Ha at April 23, 2019 07:52 PM (MAstk)

190 Whoa! Inslee's up to 1%? Schedule the coronation!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (LsBY9)

That's certainly news to me. And by "news to me" I mean "I have never heard that name before in my life". But good for him, or her, or whatever.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 23, 2019 07:52 PM (t+qrx)

191 Castro 1%
Posted by: Ha at April 23, 2019 07:47 PM (MAstk)

See - Fidel is still polling at 1% of all Democrats even now!

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 07:52 PM (32YRo)

192 177

Whoa! Inslee's up to 1%? Schedule the coronation!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (LsBY9)

Jay Inslee has gone from an error, to a rounding error.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 23, 2019 07:53 PM (sy5kK)

193 @RudyGiuliani

Hillary is correct the report is the end of the beginning for the second time...NO COLLUSION. Now Ukraine is investigating Hillary campaign and DNC conspiracy with foreign operatives including Ukrainian and others to affect 2016 election. And there's no Comey to fix the result.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2019 07:53 PM (/tuJf)

194 We literally just watched the Easter bunny in a fistfight, but the biggest political rockstar in the United States hasn't been seen by anyone for six months.

See, this is the stuff standup should be doing

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:53 PM (39g3+)

195

Thought the 14th settled the citizenship definition.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 23, 2019 07:53 PM (KATBx)

196 What exactly is the subpoena if you don't show up? I seem to recall Eric Holder farting off a Congressional subpoena as well. If you can fart off a subpoena with impunity, isn't it misnamed?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

The issue in the present instance is that congress said the subpoenaed person couldn't have WH counsel present during the interrogation, whereas there are a number of Justice Dept. Office of Legal Counsel rulings/memos saying that unless the WH can have counsel present to protect the president's prerogatives, then the subpoenaed witness need not appear.

Cummins insisted no counsel present.

WH said Fuck You, No Witness.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 23, 2019 07:53 PM (Y3hKx)

197 Even if this decision goes in Trump's favor, you can count on the Dems to launch a nationwide ad campaign, targeting illegals, urging them to ignore the citizenship question and BE COUNTED.

It's what they do. It's what they always do.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (Z4rgH)

I don't know if an incomplete form does count. I think I had mine returned to me to finish answering some of the very intrusive questions I ignored the first go round.

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:53 PM (XROPS)

198 I heard RBG can plank like nobody's business!

That's how she stays so fit.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2019 07:53 PM (vDqXW)

199 Even if this decision goes in Trump's favor, you can count on the Dems to launch a nationwide ad campaign, targeting illegals, urging them to ignore the citizenship question and BE COUNTED.

Trump should direct the Census Bureau to count as citizens only those who so specify, and to ignore those who ignore the question.

Recall that the Magic Negro moved the Census Bureau under the direction of the White House.

Karma is a bitch.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 23, 2019 07:54 PM (Tc1vu)

200 Huh, come to think of it, couldn't we just define hispanic noncitizens as Indians?

Posted by: Someguy at April 23, 2019 07:54 PM (mX8Vr)

201 How could RBG even vote against it. But she probably will.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (DBRY5)

Her statement was that she recalled, personally, citizenship being on the census from 1790 thru 1960 and why would they have taken it off?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 23, 2019 07:54 PM (1g7ch)

202 Posted by: Sharkman at April 23, 2019 07:53 PM (Y3hKx)

Thanks for the insight!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 23, 2019 07:55 PM (Tc1vu)

203 Even if this decision goes in Trump's favor, you can count on the Dems to launch a nationwide ad campaign, targeting illegals, urging them to ignore the citizenship question and BE COUNTED.

It's what they do. It's what they always do."

You just gave me a great idea! Trump should - okay it would piss off too many people, so enterprising people on the right should finance a huge poster campaign throughout immigrant neighborhoods in NYC, Chicago, and Los Angeles, featuring a large badge with INS on it and stating "La Migra DEMANDS you Report Yourself!!!!"

put those on every street corner!

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:55 PM (V2Yro)

204 If RBG were spry and fit as a fiddle, you KNOW the Reds would be flooding the zone with full page full color photos of her all the time. Why? Because 1) it suits their interests, and 2) it's newsworthy.

You'd sure think so but NOBODY wants to talk about this. Its ridiculous. They did a freaking biopic about her a few months ago. Yeah it bombed, but it was a major hollywood film.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:55 PM (39g3+)

205 Recall that the Magic Negro moved the Census Bureau under the direction of the White House.

Karma is a bitch.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 23, 2019 07:54 PM (Tc1vu)

Oooh. Good recollection! That explains my hostility when filling it out 10 years ago.

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:55 PM (XROPS)

206 Even if this decision goes in Trump's favor, you can count on the Dems to launch a nationwide ad campaign, targeting illegals, urging them to ignore the citizenship question and BE COUNTED.

It's what they do. It's what they always do.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2019 07:51 PM (Z4rgH)

--------------------------

Simply instructing the Census bureau to not count any surveys that skip that question should take care of that. You want to be counted as a citizen for the purpose of representation? Answer the phuching question.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 23, 2019 07:55 PM (DcvEC)

207
Trump: "OK, we'll count them as three-fifths. Deal?"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2019 07:55 PM (LsBY9)

208 Doesn't RGB have to be present during arguments if she's, you know, still alive?
Posted by: Biergood at April 23, 2019 07:46 PM (uGKH7)

Technically, but I tend to be lenient on these sorts of matters.

Posted by: Chief Injustice John Roberts at April 23, 2019 07:55 PM (tVQUs)

209 Break our laws! Set up housekeeping! Receive benefits! And receive representation in Congress and the Electoral College!

How can awarding a representative to people who cannot legally vote be legal?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2019 07:57 PM (oVJmc)

210 Roberts, like many others in DC, is being blackmailed.

Posted by: The Gimme Dats

Yep.

900+ raw FBI files in the WH in 1993/4. Collated, copied, hidden.

When Bill the Pedophile Rapist and Hillary, AKA Chlamydia Thundershart, finally pass from this Earth, the collective sigh of relief heard around the world will probably add 35% to the CO2 load in the atmosphere.

GOREBULL WARMENING, THE REVENGE OF CLINTON!!!!!

Posted by: Sharkman at April 23, 2019 07:57 PM (Y3hKx)

211 See, this is the stuff standup should be doing

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

"The Easter Bunny Hates You!" is still one of the all time greats of youtube - had to see it again this Sunday - just to remind me what the day has atheistically dissolved into.

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 07:57 PM (32YRo)

212 Just listened to Anna Sophie Mutter do the Dvorak Violin Concerto on
Youtube and was completely blown away. There may have been some Costco
vodka involved.

Anna's getting on in years, but she still looks fine.

Posted by: pep at April 23, 2019 07:57 PM (T6t7i)

213 Apparently we don't count other forms of temporary residents(such as vacationers) to begin with. Odd that we'd count illegals.

Posted by: Someguy at April 23, 2019 07:57 PM (mX8Vr)

214 Isn't it the beginning of the end?... At least for her?

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 07:58 PM (XROPS)

215 Any census form that doesn't answer the question in the affirmative is not counted for representation. Period.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2019 07:58 PM (oVJmc)

216 Ya wanna know who does great stand-up?

The leader of Ukraine.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2019 07:58 PM (+0faA)

217
Anne-Sophie only goes for elderly guys. Photos of her and Karajan are creepy.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2019 07:59 PM (LsBY9)

218 >>old white men on top, lol
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (DBRY5)

I like being on top, although if the gals want to take the initiative I'm not opposed to it either. As long as I can smell their hair. By the way, do you know that old Chinese proverb? "Man who smell women's hair never grow old."

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 23, 2019 07:59 PM (QE8X6)

219 You'd sure think so but NOBODY wants to talk about this. Its ridiculous. They did a freaking biopic about her a few months ago. Yeah it bombed, but it was a major hollywood film.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 07:55 PM (39g3+)

And that's the dog that didn't bark. The silence of the Reds re RBG is deafening.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 23, 2019 07:59 PM (Tc1vu)

220 Maybe knowing the number of citizens as opposed to invaders, oops, I mean immigrants is important.
Posted by: MAGA at April 23, 2019 07:38 PM (HFT7R)

Could have told them we do not want to count the RUSSIAN spies under the beds, in the closets...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 23, 2019 07:59 PM (1g7ch)

221
Why do we pronounce "warm" like worm and "worm" like werm?

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 23, 2019 08:00 PM (QBI7Q)

222 old white men on top, lol

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (DBRY5)

Looks like Buttigieg is their bottom.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 23, 2019 08:00 PM (4ErVI)

223 I just watched that "retarded" vid in the sidebar.

Re-thinking post-birth abortion now. Really, really late post-birth.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 23, 2019 08:00 PM (ptqGC)

224 nood (what else?): racist dogs

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the Summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 23, 2019 08:01 PM (t+qrx)

225 Imagine if the next census showed that white percentage of the CITIZEN population goes up, not down.

The Ds have been salivating over their coming majority minority nation.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2019 08:01 PM (oVJmc)

226 Looks like Buttigieg is their bottom.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

Can anyone be more happier than he to occupy that position?

Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 08:01 PM (32YRo)

227 The Department of Treasury and the Department of Commerce *both* blew off Congressional subpoenas under Obama.

So Trump can say, just doing what Dems tolerated under No-Scandal-O.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2019 07:49 PM (vDqXW)

Don't forget the EPA and Phil North, who killed off the Alaska Pebble Mine permit; 'ole Phil went into hiding for a few years after his 'ruling'.

And also don't forget the after the fact secrecy agreements shoved down the Benghazi survivors' faces to keep them from testifying, ever, about what went on.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2019 08:01 PM (Z4rgH)

228 How can awarding a representative to people who cannot legally vote be legal?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 23, 2019 07:57 PM (oVJmc)

Consider the reductio ad absurdem: suppose a district only had non-citizens. Would they get representation in Congress? They can't vote (legally, at least).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 23, 2019 08:01 PM (Tc1vu)

229 Looks like Buttigieg is their bottom.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

Can anyone be more happier than he to occupy that position?
Posted by: Boswell at April 23, 2019 08:01 PM (32YRo)

I know a guy...

Posted by: T-Bone at April 23, 2019 08:02 PM (tVQUs)

230 Did they see this?
https://tinyurl.com/y4m3rjqc
Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2019 07:41 PM (/tuJf)
~~~~~

Hmmm.. Twitter throttling the heck out of news the BuzzFeed was funded by Obama's PAC. Maybe Twitter is also secretly supported by illicit contributions from democrat PACs?

Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 08:03 PM (XROPS)

231 How can awarding a representative to people who cannot legally vote be legal?

Because the Constitution says so. We've turned the Constitution into our Holy Scriptures, to the point where it feels like blasphemy to say that there are errors in it - but there are several, and this is one of them. It should have been changed a long time ago, but it never has been.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 08:03 PM (V2Yro)

232 Consider the reductio ad absurdem: suppose a district only had non-citizens. Would they get representation in Congress?

Based on the 3/5ths compromise, yes. Slaves had no vote or rights, but were counted for the purposes of representation. So in theory a whole colony of only slaves could live in a district and have representation without having a single vote. No idea how you'd select the representative, though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 08:06 PM (39g3+)

233 Consider the reductio ad absurdem: suppose a district only had non-citizens. Would they get representation in Congress? They can't vote (legally, at least).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at A

1 citizen could move there and elect himself a Congressmen by a vote of 1-0.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 08:06 PM (V2Yro)

234 Consider the reductio ad absurdem: suppose a district only had non-citizens. Would they get representation in Congress? They can't vote (legally, at least).

That said, its a perfect argument for why non-citizens should not be counted for the purposes of representation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2019 08:08 PM (39g3+)

235 How can awarding a representative to people who cannot legally vote be legal?

Because the Constitution says so. We've turned the Constitution into our Holy Scriptures, to the point where it feels like blasphemy to say that there are errors in it - but there are several, and this is one of them. It should have been changed a long time ago, but it never has been.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Enforce existing law. Deport deport deport.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2019 08:08 PM (DKgtk)

236 Consider the reductio ad absurdem: suppose a district only had non-citizens. Would they get representation in Congress? They can't vote (legally, at least).

Why aren't they arrested or deported?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2019 08:09 PM (DKgtk)

237 As far as I know Roberts gave RBG special rights so she could be just mailing it in if she isn't at the court in person.

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2019 08:10 PM (BbGew)

238 As far as I know Roberts gave RBG special rights so she could be just mailing it in if she isn't at the court in person.
Posted by: Skip

It amazes me how the left constantly bends and breaks rules and laws to their political advantage and are never called-out on it. Never. Rage-inducing.

Posted by: Biergood at April 23, 2019 08:15 PM (uGKH7)

239 Maybe Twitter is also secretly supported by illicit contributions from democrat PACs?
Posted by: LASue at April 23, 2019 08:03 PM (XROPS)
~~~~~

That's what I was wondering too.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 23, 2019 08:22 PM (NtglE)

240 "
114
It always chaps people to hear the Constitutional niceties, but the
Constitution mandates that the Census count all PERSONS, not all
citizens. Article 1, Section 2. It's language dating from long before
the 14th Amendment, where Citizenship was addressed for the very first
time, but it's still there.

Bottom line - until it's changed, the Constitution demands that
Congressional Seats be apportioned on the basis of all Persons counted,
not all citizens.

Why the Dems are mad about the question is that they think including
the question will scare off illegals from answering, and thus will make
their representation drop. But there's no question that if they're
counted, they count towards Congressional Representation, no matter what
their citizenship status is. Them's the rules, until we amend the
Constitution.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2019 07:37 PM (V2Yro)"
I'm calling BS on that; as the article was originally written, I would argue that illegals would not count towards their (the state's) number of free persons. The language of the 14th referring to reducing proportional representation of citizens not allowed to vote and removing the 3/5ths language reinforces that, as does the utter lack of practical reason to allow tens of millions of foreign criminals to help determine representation.
I'll further put forth that this is worth going to war over.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 23, 2019 08:22 PM (eAshZ)

241 experts at the Census Bureau have said the citizenship question could lead to an undercount of as many as 6.5 million, especially in urban areas

Sounds like a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: CleanWillie at April 23, 2019 08:23 PM (TwCsL)

242 Apparently we don't count other forms ofntemporary residents(such as vacationers) to begin with. Odd that we'd count illegals.
Posted by: Someguy at April 23, 2019 07:57 PM (mX8Vr)

Illegals, by definition, are not residents.

What we have are
-citizens
-immigrants
-LPRs
-non-residents (who are not counted)
-non-immigrants (who are not counted)

- and invaders. Who the prog-cong want to count for representation... and shifting federal tax dollars from states with relatively fewer invaders to states with more. Sactuary cities and states are deliberately trying to boost their census count to suck money from others.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 23, 2019 08:25 PM (1g7ch)

243 sock reset for later.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 23, 2019 08:38 PM (ER1jH)

244 St Louis has lost 65% of their population

Ponder that

Posted by: REDACTED at April 23, 2019 09:41 PM (DPjeO)

245 Well the Dims will just double down and make the legal voting age 6.

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at April 23, 2019 11:26 PM (nRj4F)

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