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The current video of the fire reaching up into the night-blue sky is gripping.

I will put something new up as soon as I find something. I've only been following this story.

In the meantime, treat this as an open thread.

More: Does Paris not have firefighting boats that could just pump water up from the Seine?

I mean... it's right there.




Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:02 PM




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1
First of all, this is just horrible

Posted by: AltonJackson link in nick for the MiMoMe at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (9C0cu)

2 Horrible

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (U7k5w)

3 I'm hoping this was an accident - but how can they be so sure, so quickly?

Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (+S3WW)

4
We Live In Interesting And Stupid And Evil Times

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (nkfRj)

5 I am told the Joos were told to stay away from Notre Dame today.

Posted by: Alex Jones's Dildo at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (O7MnT)

6 I suppose if it wasn't an accident, no one will tell what happened. It's hard not to expect a lie.

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (U7k5w)

7 Let's get the rumor train rolling:

Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (5tb4C)

8 Zut alors!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (t6MX/)

9
Wow that is one helluva fire.

That is a genuine INFERNO.

Pure flame, there.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (nkfRj)

10 Laguna Beach, CA. Putting the American flag on police cars sparks controversy...

Listen you Tranzis Twats, if you don't like this country then move.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (uYZSX)

11 Here's something - CBS inciting violence, sly "assassinate Trump" messaging with their show "The Good Fight."

A thread here with the details and clips, deleted tweets:
https://twitter.com/nickmon1112

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (W+vEI)

12 So incredibly sad.

Posted by: My life is insanity at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (Xm8Oy)

13 Willowed:
Some stupid with a flare gun?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM



This.

Posted by: Casino in Montreux, Switzerland
--

I see what you did there.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (Z3zSO)

14 Whatever caused it, the destruction of this symbol of Christianity will make the euroweenies' muzzie overlords happy.

So at least they have that to console themselves with.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (fqUgw)

15 Heartbreaking.

Posted by: Geoff Flakey at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (pPQeR)

16 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

h. Russian bots.
i. Alt-right white nationalists.
j. The Patriarchy

Posted by: Alex Jones's Dildo at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (O7MnT)

17 Let's get the rumor train rolling:



Who Burned Down Notre Dame?



a. Norwegian Black Metal fans

b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters

c. Muslim jihadists

d. Incompetent French workers

e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.

f. Trump. Just because.

g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.

h ______________?



Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM


h. Penguins.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (JUOKG)

18 Horde!

Awful. The history lost is just awful.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (9CkBG)

19 Don't worry, it'll buff out.

Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (9221z)

20 Willowed from last thread.

573 It can well be rebuilt. St Paul outside the Walls in Rome suffered a similar fire in... mid 1800s(?) and was rebuilt stone for stone.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (ycWCI)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (ycWCI)

21 Lizzy, thanks for that.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (PbpT7)

22 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?



a. Norwegian Black Metal fans

b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters

c. Muslim jihadists

d. Incompetent French workers

e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.

f. Trump. Just because.

g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.

h FRANK STALLONE

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (O7MnT)

23 Big-boobed Shep!-in-training Liz Claman is treating us with her hoity-toity French pronunciations instead of just staying quiet and displaying her rack.
Sigh.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (ufFY8)

24 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?

I say G. Caused by B, E & F.

Posted by: tbodie - autocucumber is Ridiculous Bullshit at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (BBhgz)

25 but how can they be so sure, so quickly?"

They can't.

And so incredibly sad. Hell, I'm almost in tears. And yes, I've seen it.

What is left of this world?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (6qErC)

26 18: Yep. A disaster.

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (U7k5w)

27 Visited this summer. Crying a bit.

Posted by: Igotnothing at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (Ssh2k)

28 I'm stunned that all that scaffolding hasn't collapsed. But, of course, metal doesn't burn.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (9CkBG)

29 Aestius, more current example

St. Paul's Cathedral in Munster Germany. Took ten years to rebuild it after all the Allied bombing in WWII.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (uYZSX)

30 worst Monday in a long time.
Just want to cry.

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (dm05u)

31 Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (ycWCI)

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I don't know that capable craftsmen for this kind of work still exist.

But if they do, I'll bet they aren't called. City governments only want some postmodern eyesore, these days.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (AzW6q)

32 >>I suppose if it wasn't an accident, no one will tell what happened. It's hard not to expect a lie.



I know, right?

How many years have we seen obvious terror attacks immediately dismissed as "not terrorism, we'll never know why this happened?" Not just here, but in Europe. Just can't believe them anymore.

Quite the convergence of stories - Omar's 9/11 comments + pushback, Boston Marathon today, and now this. This discussion of terrorism is insisting upon itself.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (W+vEI)

33 What the Germans didn't do...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (bcbK8)

34 14 Whatever caused it, the destruction of this symbol of Christianity will make the euroweenies' muzzie overlords happy.

So at least they have that to console themselves with.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (fqUgw)

I half expect Macron to immediately declare that a Mosque will be built atop that very spot, ASAP.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (UnA8+)

35 yep, sad.

kinda pissed at the french firefighters, even though I don't know the situation, and it is a French iconic place. But I just can't see the same reaction by responders in the US.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (r+sAi)

36 3 I'm hoping this was an accident - but how can they be so sure, so quickly?
Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (+S3WW)


Only way I can think of is if the workers first tried to put it out and failed, then they reported it.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (kUmUV)

37 Horde!

Awful. The history lost is just awful.
Posted by: BCochran1981

Amen brutha !

Posted by: JT at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (2NLdK)

38 They'll rebuild it, but given that this is France, it will take 200 years, and they'll burn it 3 more times before they're done.

Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (9221z)

39 Not much left of it. The 2 big rectangular spires are burned out shells. Looks like tha main walls are mostly down. Dunno, it is hard to see because Fox takes up half of the scree realestate with pointless self promoting graphics.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (dNzKv)

40 Just a darn shame it wasn`t packed full of visiting democrat politicians on one of their 'fact finding' working vacations!

Posted by: Tentotwo at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (yhf6w)

41 This is as heartbreaking as when the muzzies destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (0tfLf)

42 But, of course, metal doesn't burn.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (9CkBG)

Don't you start

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (bcbK8)

43
Do the French actually have a fire department? If so they look utterly incapable of fighting this fire. Maybe they've just surrendered to the fire

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (OLCnA)

44 Trying to find a silver lining...

God often cleanses with fire.
At least the French wont be able to surrender it to the Muzzies and let them turn it into a mosque.

Its still horrible...

Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (lWCRE)

45 looks like the scaffolding made it through.

Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (G0vdT)

46 At least it wasnt Notre Dame cathedral in South Bend with Touchdown Jesus. That wouldve been really really bad.

Posted by: Big Al fredo at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (iWo0u)

47 No problem, ace, this is arguably the biggest story of the day, and besides, I am pretty much outraged-out on the ongoing coup stories; maybe just do a puppies-and-kittens post, and them maybe a thread on everyones favorite ice cream flavor.

my 0.02, feel free to disregard.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (wA4OO)

48 I half expect Macron to immediately declare that a Mosque will be built atop that very spot, ASAP.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (UnA8+)


If it were in London, they'd already be bulldozing.

Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (9221z)

49 From the previous thread:

>A French guy called into Prager's radio show just now, said that there have been church desecrations every week in France.

Also called it a "historic trauma" and a non-lethal 9/11 for France."

Non-lethal *so far*. Wait until the aftermath of this event and its ramifications plays out.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (DwzBO)

50 From breaking news live on twitter:

Paris police launch criminal investigation into Notre Dame Cathedral fire

Why are they launching a criminal investigation if this is just an unfortunate restoratin accident?

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (Z3zSO)

51

Caused by right wing rage machine.

Posted by: Brian Stelter at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (aKsyK)

52 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

Clue style.


Sinead O'Conner
In the narthex
With a flaming tampon.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (O7MnT)

53
Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
________________

I kinda doubt the Yellow Vest people did it. They are Frenchies (real ones, not imported fakers), and the French love their history, and Notre Dame is an important symbol of French history.

It would be like Tea Partiers blowing up the Jefferson Memorial or the Washington Monument. It just wouldn't happen.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (fqUgw)

54 Notre Dame Fighting Fires -ish

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (rxtQa)

55 Fire started 10 minutes after it closed to tourists. Or you could say that one of the last "Tourists" started it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (dNzKv)

56 I'm hoping this was an accident - but how can they be so sure, so quickly?


Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (+S3WW)

====
The speed at which muzzie terrorism was discounted is a great indicator of it being muzzie terrorism.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (pw+jk)

57 Who actually owns the cathedral site? The Archdiocese of Paris? The City of Paris? The Republic of France?

Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (Pqytn)

58 This reminds me of last year when the National Museum in Brazil burned down.
Thousands of priceless artifacts destroyed.
No sprinklers
many hydrants not working.

Loss prevention just never a consideration

Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (lWCRE)

59 Buttegeig just said he would lend Paris his Notre Dame.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (dNzKv)

60 They are now supposedly evacuating the surrounding area as well.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (Z3zSO)

61 Doll Eyes Alex quits Facebook?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (uYZSX)

62 How many years have we seen obvious terror attacks immediately dismissed as "not terrorism, we'll never know why this happened?" Not just here, but in Europe. Just can't believe them anymore.

Quite the convergence of stories - Omar's 9/11 comments + pushback, Boston Marathon today, and now this. This discussion of terrorism is insisting upon itself.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (W+vEI)


It's ironic that the MSM's efforts to cover for the Muslims leads people to suspect them first and foremost of anything bad that happens.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (x3tTl)

63 wful. The history lost is just awful.
Posted by: BCochran1981


This.

Posted by: Terlingua at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (RQfnU)

64 Monday of Holy Week.
IIRC, this is the day that Jesus cleansed the Temple.

Posted by: Florida man at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (w7KSn)

65 >>Do the French actually have a fire department? If so they look utterly incapable of fighting this fire. Maybe they've just surrendered to the fire

They do. And being French they wear bright shiny silver helmets but probably not the guys you want coming to your rescue.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (/tuJf)

66 I think it's gone. Too much lost to replace.

Posted by: dartist at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (K22Va)

67 Trump just offered to rebuild it.
With a luxurious casino in the basement.

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (88+cf)

68 I'm hoping this was an accident - but how can they be so sure, so quickly?
---
They're sure because they need to be sure.

If this was islamic arson, why there might be peaceful muslims celebrating the fire who find their way to lampposts.

And worse, elected officials who lose their next election.

Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (kOpft)

69 Who actually owns the cathedral site?

Pope Francis

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (dNzKv)

70 yep, sad.

kinda pissed at the french
firefighters, even though I don't know the situation, and it is a French
iconic place. But I just can't see the same reaction by responders in
the US.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (r+sAi)

Yes, the firefighters are going to get criticism, but CNN had a NJ chief on air who described how difficult this type of fire is to fight.

Posted by: Vendette at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (OKErp)

71 Whatever caused it, the destruction of this symbol of Christianity will make the euroweenies' muzzie overlords happy.

So at least they have that to console themselves with.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (fqUgw)



Candy stores all across the EU have sold out.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (1g7ch)

72 I just saw this. In tears when I saw the spire collapse. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Dr Alice at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (gKjjH)

73 a huge piece of history wiped out. I think everyone can relate to the tragedy.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (r/xAU)

74 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (IXZGh)

75 I half expect Macron to immediately declare that a Mosque will be built atop that very spot, ASAP.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (UnA8+)

I would much rather have Marcon say that Notre Dame will be rebuilt by extra taxes imposed on MUSLIMS.

And if they don't like it, they can fvcking leave France and go back to their original shitholes.
And why not? They don't seem to have much Liberty, Fraternity, or Equality right now.





Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (ufFY8)

76 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

Some people did something

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (O7MnT)

77 Why are they launching a criminal investigation if this is just an unfortunate restoratin accident?
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (Z3zSO)

--------

Could be to build a case of criminal negligence against workers/firms who destroyed a global icon. Or it could be the other thing. But I figure they'd be looking to charge someone no matter what.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (AzW6q)

78 maybe just do a puppies-and-kittens post, and them maybe a thread on everyones favorite ice cream flavor"

Indeed.

A terrible, no good day, regardless.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (6qErC)

79 67 Trump just offered to rebuild it.
With a luxurious casino in the basement.
Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (88+cf)

See 2 threads ago

Posted by: Shep at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (RZ6R1)

80 Not sure everyone knows the Mood, will go announce

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (BbGew)

81 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (5tb4C)

whatever or whomever caused it in the movie it will be European White Supremacists.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (BJKQV)

82 gorgeous building

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (r/xAU)

83 76 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

Some people did something
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (O7MnT)

Probably

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (bcbK8)

84 Gene Wolfe RIP. Yet another great cultural loss.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (RD7QR)

85 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?



Clue style.



Sinead O'Conner

In the narthex

With a flaming tampon.


----
Did she take it out first?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (uYZSX)

86 The comments in the one Twat thread are sad. "Trump opened the gates of Hell1!!!!!111"

These fucking people are deranged.

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (IXZGh)

87 first time was flood

this time will be fire

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (Rarvo)

88 32: With no faith in the media or the propensity for the "authorities" to cover up for ROP, I don't think I'll easily accept "accident" especially if the worker who accidently caused the accident is named Abdul.

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (U7k5w)

89 The French's plan was to stop the fire by surrounding the cathedral with a trench filled with water.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (dNzKv)

90 > Some stupid with a flare gun?

> Posted by: JoeF.

Have there been any confirmed sitings of Funky Claude in the vicinity?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (0OWcv)

91 64 Monday of Holy Week.
IIRC, this is the day that Jesus cleansed the Temple.
Posted by: Florida man at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (w7KSn)


Oh my. I think you are correct.

Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne, lurking since 2007 at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (UNthw)

92 I think ultimately its going to be obvious that the response of the Paris government and fire department will be found to have been unconscionably lacking and poor.

But as people have said in previous threads, this is almost symbolic of French and overall European culture

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (39g3+)

93 >>Why are they launching a criminal investigation if this is just an unfortunate restoratin accident?

Insurance.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (/tuJf)

94 I'll say what I said on the previous thread -

If, as was stated, Muslim bastards are celebrating this on social media, I want Trump to point it out, slam the fuckers and tie it right to the Muslim traitors in congress. I want this shoved down their throats until they choke.

I'm out. I cannot watch this.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (Ki5SV)

95 maybe a thread on everyones favorite ice cream flavor.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM

Begun, the ice cream wars will have.

Posted by: Obi Juan Sonobi at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (RQfnU)

96 It is really sad to see a triumph of Medieval architecture that survived all the stupidity of the 20th Century have its spires burn down. Hopefully the cathedral itself will survive.

Any word on causes yet? I imagine not, as the fire isn't even out at this point, but I desperately hope it was an accident and not terrorism.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (I2dne)

97 If that started immediately after the last tourist group, then it's almost certainly arson. One does not toss cigarette butts haphazardly in major world historical sites.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (eAshZ)

98 If it turns out to Muslims you know how things will go:

1) Twitter hashtag #IAmADame goes viral
2) Lefty panic over non-existent anti-Muslim backlash.
3) Twitter bans discussion of the fire
4) John Kerry brings American folk singer to Paris to promote healing
5) Emmanuel Macron apologizes for his country building a cathedral that caused the Muslims' fire to burn out of control
6) Notre Dame is rebuilt as a mosque.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (BJKQV)

99 At least we know the Dims didn't do it

They would have went for the Eiffel Tower

Posted by: REDACTED at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (RZ6R1)

100

4.15.13
4.15.19

Posted by: ROP at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (4Eo4+)

101 A few weeks ago there was an arson attack on another French icon: Saint-Sulpice.

Even freaking Newsweek did a story on Catholic Churches being desecrated in France.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (Z3zSO)

102 >>Also called it a "historic trauma" and a non-lethal 9/11 for France."

The terrorists are killing your ancestors, buddy, by erasing any record of them. Destroy their historic artifacts, buildings, cemeteries, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (W+vEI)

103 Mockingbird media is in lockstep that it was an accident so it's obviously the opposite. Also, the construction crews just happen to remove all the valuable old artwork before the fire, and it's Holy Week.
*rubs chin in deep though*

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (YmfOS)

104 breitbart has a story from.March 20 that 12 churches in France were desecrated in one week

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (dm05u)

105 IIRC, this is the day that Jesus cleansed the Temple.

"So you're saying that the Jews did it in retaliation?"
--Congresswoman Omar

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (39g3+)

106 > Could be to build a case of criminal negligence against workers/firms who destroyed a global icon.

I imagine the insurance/bonding company for the contractors is sweating bullets right about now.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (0OWcv)

107 Notre Dame

"Ownership
Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State."

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (5tb4C)

108 The important thing is that none of us were hurt.

Posted by: Broward County Fire Department at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (EYsyU)

109 To be replaced by what? Some Brutalist box? An empty square with a plaque and an "eternal" flame?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (k3g2v)

110 I just called my local Archdiocese, and they gave me the number of Catholic Relief Services, suggesting they may be the spearhead of American efforts to raise funds to repair and rebuild this priceless triumph of Christendom.

Call 877-435-7277

Posted by: jeffersonian at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (yX3gx)

111 a. Norwegian Black Metal fans



Varg didn't do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW0XiJmr2v4

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (vWMNq)

112 Quite the convergence of stories - Omar's 9/11 comments + pushback, Boston Marathon today, and now this.

+++

New Zealand was March 15 this is April ...

Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (O5f1Y)

113 I imagine the insurance/bonding company for the contractors is sweating bullets right about now.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (0OWcv)

More like getting out of town and moving to Moscow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (bim/x)

114 84 Gene Wolfe RIP. Yet another great cultural loss.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (RD7QR)

Oh wow....Sci Fi's best Catholic and Notre Dame both die on the same day.

Synchronicity.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (bcbK8)

115 Notre Dame is in the middle of a river. Fire boats would be part fire safety if this cathedral was in the United States.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (wpJDK)

116 Also, the construction crews just happen to remove all the valuable old artwork before the fire

If that happened I wouldn't really be surprised. They were working overhead on the roof, after all

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (39g3+)

117 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?


h ______________?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (5tb4C)


Tea Partiers. Obviously. With cigarettes.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (ASicf)

118 If it turns out to Muslims you know how things will go:

1) Twitter hashtag #IAmADame goes viral
2) Lefty panic over non-existent anti-Muslim backlash.
3) Twitter bans discussion of the fire
4) John Kerry brings American folk singer to Paris to promote healing
5) Emmanuel Macron apologizes for his country building a cathedral that caused the Muslims' fire to burn out of control
6) Notre Dame is rebuilt as a mosque.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (BJKQV)


7) Hillary becomes President!!!

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (NFEMn)

119
Whe should probably move important European landmarks over here for safe keeping.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (TAmPV)

120 Why are they launching a criminal investigation if this is just an unfortunate restoratin accident?


Like when they found the terrorist camp in NM
and they went in and bulldozed the whole site so nobody could ask any questions

Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (lWCRE)

121 This was posted on another site by someone from France:

Macron is there on site showing himself off. He is the most anti-Christian president France has ever had. Mitterrand was a Saint comparing with Macron. I am in total disgust.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (Z3zSO)

122 This wasn't an accident.

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (YmfOS)

123 One of the most iconic symbols of Catholicism being destroyed by willful disregard by those charged with its preservation?

Wait are we talking about Notre dame or the papacy?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (/Fxjk)

124 Whatever caused it, the destruction of this symbol of Christianity will make the euroweenies' muzzie overlords happy.

So at least they have that to console themselves with.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (fqUgw)

I half expect Macron to immediately declare that a Mosque will be built atop that very spot, ASAP.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (UnA8+)


I also predict that, come this Thursday, Frankie Fabulous will very ostentatiously invite a French Muslim delegation to St Peter's for the washing of the feet, to show his solidarity with his brothers in Christ.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (Ki5SV)

125 I think the Catholic Church owns it, so the church will have to rebuild not the taxpayers, unless the French have a way to tax for the rebuild, which they probably do, because france.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (r+sAi)

126 Have there been any confirmed sitings of Funky Claude in the vicinity?





Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (0OWcv)

He's in Medina.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (t6MX/)

127

More: Does Paris not have firefighting boats that could just pump water up from the Seine?

I mean... it's right there.





I asked that very question two threads ago.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (ptqGC)

128 Wasn't me. I have way too much to do just oppressing brown people to be burning down churches.

Posted by: whitey at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (71VoH)

129 Our faith will endure.

Posted by: Awotter at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (0x00j)

130 The Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys do not have a fire department. They have French folk throw croissants and baguettes at le flame and shout viva la France!

Posted by: Czech Chick at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (M3WlM)

131 Synchronicity.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (bcbK8


Hey.

Leave me out of this.

Posted by: Sting at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (IXZGh)

132
42 But, of course, metal doesn't burn.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (9CkBG)

Don't you start
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo


willowed from up-thread - Is it too soon for the truthers to say "but fire can't melt steel"

Posted by: BifBewalski - sofa king we Todd did at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (td8Ta)

133 Notre Dame

"Ownership
Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State."
Posted by: zombie at Awho negotiated that deal?





who negotiated that deal

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (MTjB1)

134 Built between 1163 and 1245 on the Île de la Cité, Notre Dame de Paris is one of the oldest gothic cathedrals in the world.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (r/xAU)

135 90 > Some stupid with a flare gun?

> Posted by: JoeF.

Have there been any confirmed sitings of Funky Claude in the vicinity?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (0OWcv)



Not to quibble, but the real life "Funky" Claude Nobs was a great guy and was made an honorary member of Deep Purple for their "Machine Head" album:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Nobs

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (ujg0T)

136 Notre dame was not inclusive enough for the modern Europe, and as such permits for repair and reconstruction are denied.



Posted by: The EU at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (sZzDP)

137 Some good news for reconstruction: ultra-precise laser measurements of every detail of Notre Dame were completed just a few years ago.


http://tinyurl.com/y64n7cuv

Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (ZGrMX)

138 29 Aestius, more current example

St. Paul's Cathedral in Munster Germany. Took ten years to rebuild it after all the Allied bombing in WWII.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM


***************************


They built a new Coventry Cathedral beside the bombed ruins of the old medieval more than twenty years after Germans destroyed it.

The old ruins were left as a memorial and still look better than the new cathedral, which, like most things built in Britain in the sixties....or since, come to think of it, is an ugly steaming pile of dogshit.

Posted by: Rudi Von Starnberg at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (OFzX4)

139 I'm not Catholic, nor French but do consider this a tragedy for western civilization.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (BbGew)

140 at least the gargoyles can fly away...

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (dm05u)

141 Notre Dame is in the middle of a river. Fire boats would be part fire safety if this cathedral was in the United States.

honestly I'm just incredulous at the concept that it was impossible to get water on this fire until about 7 hours after it was reported.

ON AN ISLAND

and what, did Macron ban all helicopters from France b/c of an old witch's Pinochetesque prophecy or something?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (Rarvo)

142 > Whe should probably move important European landmarks over here for safe keeping.

Like the Elgin Marbles and the Ishtar Gate.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (0OWcv)

143 Was it arson, because the Pamela Geller has a report on increasing numbers of churches in Europe being burnt, vandalized and defecated on.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (FSPNP)

144 Whe should probably move important European landmarks over here for safe keeping.

We already have our own in EPCOT and Vegas

Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (lWCRE)

145 I think the Catholic Church owns it, so the church will have to rebuild not the taxpayers, unless the French have a way to tax for the rebuild, which they probably do, because france.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:16 PM (r+sAi)

Take up a collection. Kettle at every gov't office and a GoFundMe online. It'll get funded.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (J+mig)

146 while they are rebuilding notre dame someone should do something about the mismatched spires on chartes.


either or

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (MTjB1)

147 "Ownership
Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State."
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (5tb4C)


"Owned by the State"
That explains why they were never forced to install sprinkler systems.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (1g7ch)

148 Can't say whether this was an act of terrorism but one can't help but note what other historical locations and items have been destroyed by radical Islamics. Most recently ISIS in Syria and Iraq . The most notable to date were the Buddha carvings in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (rxtQa)

149 44 Trying to find a silver lining...

God often cleanses with fire.
At least the French wont be able to surrender it to the Muzzies and let them turn it into a mosque.

Its still horrible...
Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (lWCRE)

I think you give the current crop of Euro leaders too much credit. They are perfectly capable of doing something so sickeningly self-abnegating.

As for the French firefighters, I'm going to give them the benefit of a doubt. I think they would have done as much as they could given the conditions, which look to be complex and difficult. But let's hope the Frogs at least bother to thoroughly investigate the fire and the response to it.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (RD7QR)

150 I just called my local Archdiocese, and they gave me the number of Catholic Relief Services, suggesting they may be the spearhead of American efforts to raise funds to repair and rebuild this priceless triumph of Christendom.

---------

The Catholic Church never misses a fundraising opportunity.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (sX1BW)

151 35 yep, sad.

kinda pissed at the french firefighters, even though I don't know the situation, and it is a French iconic place. But I just can't see the same reaction by responders in the US.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (r+sAi)

Interesting thread by a US firefighter on the difficulty putting out fires in old cathedrals.

https://tinyurl.com/y4mycbs3

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (cF8AT)

152 The French's plan was to stop the fire by surrounding the cathedral with a trench filled with water.

Well, the fire was contained to the island, so they can start handing out commendations to each other.

Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (xSo9G)

153 Whe should probably move important European landmarks over here for safe keeping.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic

The concept is not new.

Posted by: The Holy Crown of St. Stephen at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (zCyNd)

154 who negotiated that deal<<<<<<
Socialists.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (r+sAi)

155 Pope: That damned hunchback!
The French: but heee iss an ICON!

Posted by: BifBewalski - sofa king we Todd did at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (td8Ta)

156 willowed .... even if not jihadists, it is an incredible figurative portrayal of the trashing of Western values, being burned by the globalists inviting in destructive foreign culture. Macron and Merkel brought them in and fund them ... multiculturalism is really destruction of The West.


Notre Dame was already rotting, and France didn't want to fund its repair. Christianity is not really the value system of the EU bureaucrats. shame. They should have fixed it if only for the tourist dollars.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (Cus5s)

157 > Not to quibble, but the real life "Funky" Claude Nobs was a great guy

Oh, I wasn't disputing that at all. A definite hero.

My thought was that he might've been "running in and out" saving art treasures or something.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (0OWcv)

158 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?

-
The HLA. (Hunchback Liberation Army)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (+y/Ru)

159 G-D get Shep thye fuck out of there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (bim/x)

160 97 If that started immediately after the last tourist group, then it's almost certainly arson. One does not toss cigarette butts haphazardly in major world historical sites.
Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (eAsh

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Add to that...

1. During Holy Week
2. There have been recent attempts that have been foiled.

If an organized Jihadist group did this they will want to take the credit. The problem for the French government is even if it was an accident most people don't believe them anymore. Being politically correct kills credibility.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (MuTTO)

161 Some good news for reconstruction: ultra-precise
laser measurements of every detail of Notre Dame were completed just a
few years ago.





http://tinyurl.com/y64n7cuv


Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM

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That's all well and good, but it won't "be" Notre Dame, it will be a replica. Notre Dame is gone for ever and can't be replaced. It can be rebuilt, but it will never be the same.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (JUOKG)

162 I can rebuild Notre Dame.

Posted by: Chick Who Restored the Ecce Homo Jesus Mural at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (ASicf)

163 So bets on if this was started by a member of the religion of peace? And if so is retaliation in order?

Posted by: southdakota conservative at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (wg50I)

164 I just called my local Archdiocese, and they gave me the number of Catholic Relief Services, suggesting they may be the spearhead of American efforts to raise funds to repair and rebuild this priceless triumph of Christendom.

Call 877-435-7277
--

As a Catholic, I have mixed feelings about this idea. And I agree that this is an icon of Christianity.


However... this cathedral is in France. It is a tourist attraction. I don't know if it's my responsibility as an American Catholic to repbuild a French icon that probably makes money for a French government that supports Islam and hate Catholics.


If the French want this rebulit, they should spearhead this. If they do not, well then, it's over for Christian France. Just declare Islam the religion of the state and get it over with.



Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (Z3zSO)

165 Take up a collection. Kettle at every gov't office and a GoFundMe online. It'll get funded.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (J+mig)

A GoFundMe would do it in quick fashion, but I don't have faith that the Church would be savvy enough to use it.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (Xqo6t)

166 What the Germans didn't do...

Notre Dame also survived the French Revolution, even though the devotees of Reason desecrated the high altar and destroyed much of the interior religious imagery in the 1790s.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (pPNCa)

167
Paris has lots of socialism and bureaucracy. Fireboats and common sense not so much.

Also, Muslims.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (zBaqJ)

168 IS PARIS BURNING? IS PARIS BURNING?

Posted by: JAS at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (KOCKb)

169 PDT's speech is going great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl0pQ9z7dt0

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (C7rlo)

170 Looking at pics of the cathedral burning is like watching the twin towers burning. In other words, like watching a loved one die right in front of you. The cathedral was undergoing a renovation so it's probably worker related, possibly a Frenchman named Achmed who's totally aasimilated?

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (aBR7R)

171 English feed just reported that the artwork was removed including the crown of thorns folks were discussing in a previous thread.

Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (kOpft)

172

sounds like most of the art, relics and treasures are saved

good news

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (DBRY5)

173 This just feels like a metaphor for western civilization in Europe.

Posted by: rc at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (giWZY)

174 I'm going to plant some flowers and try to lower my BP and not cry.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (ptqGC)

175 Someone on the live feed just said, "A lot of the artwork has been saved." He also said the 'Crown of Thorns' is housed there but didn't say whether it was saved or not.

I'll keep listening....

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (cF8AT)

176 Nobody blaming Lutherans yet. Huh.

I know, everybody just hates the "Holden Caulfield" character, and all his works and ways -- but let me remind you for a moment of his most memorable trait, his hatred for guys who scrawl "Fuck You" on everything, and he is pretty sure that when he dies somebody will put "Fuck You" on his tombstone. And I think of that because, over on one of the other Big Dick Conservative commentary sites, the very first thing that got said about Notre Dame was:
"France is a African/muslim shithole especially Paris."

The Shithole School of Geography, shodding rough over Western Civ.

I am so proud of this great American, I wish we could meet right now.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (8ZmvG)

177 Latest news is that almost all of the artwork was out of the building during the construction.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (YslsA)

178 Quietly Captain Jacque Le Bon approached his Dassault Rafale, whistling softly as he climbs the ladder to inspect the cockpit. The canopy glistens as his ground crew finish all their preflight checks. Jacque checks his maps...Paris to Mecca. Weather good. He is ready.
Now he sits and waits patiently for the order.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (0tfLf)

179 I'm not Catholic, nor French but do consider this a tragedy for western civilization.
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:17 PM (BbGew)
++++++++++
Ditto. Europe's great cathedrals are points in time showing the evolution of a continent through the Fall of Rome, the Dark Ages, the Renaissance, etc. They are treasures of Western civilization. If this was an accident, it is heartbreaking. It this was deliberate, the French should view it as a casus belli.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (I2dne)

180 This is really sad. Hope they can get it rebuilt in time for football season! Go Irish!

Posted by: AOC at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (sZzDP)

181 150 I just called my local Archdiocese, and they gave me the number of Catholic Relief Services, suggesting they may be the spearhead of American efforts to raise funds to repair and rebuild this priceless triumph of Christendom.

---------

The Catholic Church never misses a fundraising opportunity.
Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:18 PM (sX1BW)

----------

Bingo!

Posted by: whitey at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (71VoH)

182 Wait, they took SEVEN HOURS to get water on this?

In the old days, a lot of someones would be shot for that.

Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (9221z)

183

Muslims dancing on rooftops and handing out candy...

Posted by: Swallowell/Buttplug 2019 at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (gqxu1)

184 https://www.theamericanmirror.com/arabs-laugh-at-burning-notre-dame-cathedral/

Nah, never happened.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (37IEG)

185 171 English feed just reported that the artwork was removed including the crown of thorns folks were discussing in a previous thread.

Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (kOpft)

Oh good...I missed what he said about the crown of thorns.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (cF8AT)

186 I can't stop crying. My heart is broken.

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (14URa)

187 If this was islamic arson"

I pray that this truly was an accident. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (6qErC)

188 I can repaint Notre Dame for $99.95.

Posted by: Earl Sheib at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (/tuJf)

189 So the French State owned it and let the Mackerel Snappers use for services. I think I see why there was no investment in preserving it.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (2LelM)

190 If, as was stated, Muslim bastards are celebrating this on social media
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It seems like this would be easy to verify

Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (kOpft)

191 I'm sure this is going to come off as ignorant, but aren't these old gothic cathedrals made mostly of stone?
It's hard to see how such a large fire could grow/sustain itself in that case.
Obviously, I'm missing something here.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (LPVCP)

192
Brother Fucker sings somebody done somebody wrong song....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (zBaqJ)

193 I worry that any reconstruction would result in a steel and glass abomination designed by some worthless atheist architect who has no respect for God or faith.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (lzp4R)

194 If the French want this rebulit, they should spearhead this. If they do not, well then, it's over for Christian France.

Christian France was guillotined in the late 1700s

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (39g3+)

195
So bets on if this was started by a member of the religion of peace? And if so is retaliation in order?

Posted by: southdakota conservative at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (wg50I)


Might be just what is needed to push them out of europe.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (9Om/r)

196 That's all well and good, but it won't "be" Notre Dame, it will be a replica. Notre Dame is gone for ever and can't be replaced. It can be rebuilt, but it will never be the same.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2019 03:19 PM (JUOKG)



By that definition it hasn't been "Notre Dame" for a long time. It's be desecrated, sacked, damaged, generally fucked up multiple times since the initial completion 700 years ago.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (9CkBG)

197 #107
"Ownership

Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in
Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While
the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the
designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for
religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for
paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that
the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive
subsidies from the French State."
==================

Thanks, Zombie. That's what I thought, but I didn't know for sure. All right, President Macron, it's time for a statement.

Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (Pqytn)

198 Then there was the thwarted suicide attack attempt at Notre Dame back in 2016.

Which never happened, because, it was thwarted.

So why ever would anyone suspect anything but a construction accident.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (37IEG)

199 sounds like most of the art, relics and treasures are saved



good news

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (DBRY5)

I had wondered if they had moved them prior to construction. It would make sense to do so. But so would planned firefighting measures.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (t6MX/)

200 they'll have to rebuild. maybe that will inspire a sense of national pride and an effort to protect the rest of french and european culture, including putting a spotlight on the desecration of churches by mohammedans.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (Pg+x7)

201 Ace, Horde

You gotta see this video. This is a change of pace you could say.

A PSA called "It's On Us" about stopping sexual assault. Joey Bidet and Gaylord are in it. Wonder how long this one will last?

https://youtu.be/wNMZo31LziM

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (uYZSX)

202

Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) warned Monday that President Trump is endangering the life of one of their members, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), with his attacks suggesting the freshman lawmaker downplayed the 9/11 terror attacks.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (aKsyK)

203


France is a cuckshed of epic proportions.

Churches have been burning all over the place, and that little shit Macron is probably in some back alley servicing some "youths".

What a mess.

Watch for this in the UK.

Get rid of your opposition by destroying their history.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Joe Biden at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (z8c2c)

204 I'm sure this is going to come off as ignorant, but aren't these old gothic cathedrals made mostly of stone?

THe walls and main arches in the roof are, but the roof is wood. Lots of wood and cloth inside.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (39g3+)

205 182 Wait, they took SEVEN HOURS to get water on this?

In the old days, a lot of someones would be shot for that.
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (9221z)


If passersby just used buckets and peed on the thing, they've been more effective.

That is just insane beyond belief.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (zBaqJ)

206 192 I'm sure this is going to come off as ignorant, but aren't these old gothic cathedrals made mostly of stone?
It's hard to see how such a large fire could grow/sustain itself in that case.
Obviously, I'm missing something here.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (LPVCP)

Wooden frames.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (cF8AT)

207
Hunchback hardest hit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (HaL55)

208 Where I agree that dealing with that fire is likely an extremely difficult thing, not using any water or other fire retardation materials for the first couple of hours is probably the worst method for putting one out.

I'm just guessing as I'm not a fireman.

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (IXZGh)

209 >A French guy called into Prager's radio show just now, said that there have been church desecrations every week in France.
__________________

Yep, Pam Geller had an article about this over the weekend:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y534f2jy

In France, an average of two churches are being desecrated (i.e. vandalized, torched, feces smeared on, etc.) every day.
Similar types of things also happening to churches in Germany.

Bet you can't guess who's doing it? lol

And BTW, the French police had previously arrested and jailed a muzzie woman for a plot to blow up Notre Dame with gas canisters. So it has been targeted by muzzies already. (Don't know if they're responsible for today's fire, but they ain't unhappy about it).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (fqUgw)

210 Ownership
Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State."
Posted by: zombie at Awho negotiated that deal?





who negotiated that deal
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The clue is 1905.

Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (zvw0X)

211 180 This is really sad. Hope they can get it rebuilt in time for football season! Go Irish!

Posted by: AOC at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (sZzDP)



Dammit to hell.

Thread winner.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (9CkBG)

212 sounds like most of the art, relics and treasures are saved

good news
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (DBRY5)

Had they moved them to safe keeping before the renovation started?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (bim/x)

213 The art was saved, what about the stained glass?

Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (9221z)

214 I'm sure this is going to come off as ignorant, but aren't these old gothic cathedrals made mostly of stone?
It's hard to see how such a large fire could grow/sustain itself in that case.
Obviously, I'm missing something here.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (LPVCP)
+++++++++
The roofs are wood and there is a lot of wood (and these days plastic, etc.) inside them. I suspect the *structure* will survive (it's hard to burn stone) but reconstruction will take decades if the whole building burns. I would ordinarily say, "raze it and start over" but it isn't an ordinary building.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (I2dne)

215 I can't stop crying. My heart is broken. "

Indeed. Why I pray it was accidental.

The rage if not might make this fire seem small...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (6qErC)

216 189 So the French State owned it and let the Mackerel Snappers use for services. I think I see why there was no investment in preserving it.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (2LelM)

It looks more like the French State nationalized it but all expenses would be paid by the Catholic Church. As it was used as the hq of an Archdiocese the ownership appears nominal.

Posted by: Someguy at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (HUFx8)

217 > Whe should probably move important European landmarks over here for safe keeping.
> Posted by: Flawless Male Logic

> The concept is not new.
> Posted by: The Holy Crown of St. Stephen

Trump would look awesome wearing the Iron Crown of Lombardy.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (0OWcv)

218 I do believe that it's the first time in history that fire has ever burned wood.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (BJKQV)

219 This reminds me a lot of the fire at St. Sava in NYC back in 2016. The church was an entire ruin. They want to rebuild, but I don't think much has happened. After seeing that church go, I think it will be a miracle if there's much of anything left here.

Old churches under renovation are at huge risk for these types of fires. Holy Week is also a huge risk... lots of people who don't usually go to church there - people have less of a sense of who "should" be there and who shouldn't. There have been a number of Orthodox Church fires around Orthodox Easter in the last few years. 2016 was especially bad. I'm not saying that any of these are terrorism, BUT it's the perfect "cover" for this type of thing.

Posted by: Katja at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (fFYAm)

220 I had wondered if they had moved them prior to construction. It would make sense to do so. But so would planned firefighting measures.

Yeah, common sense seems to have gone out the window on this one.

But I bet they get a real cracking plan worked up after this!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (39g3+)

221 A PSA called "It's On Us" about stopping sexual assault. Joey Bidet and Gaylord are in it. Wonder how long this one will last?

https://youtu.be/wNMZo31LziM
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (uYZSX)

Oh barf.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (NWiLs)

222 Over 3000 reasons why this is night and day compared to 9/11.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (rxtQa)

223
Does this mean Notre Dame is cancelling football this year???

Posted by: Accidental Occasional Cortex at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (8XRCm)

224 . All right, President Macron, it's time for a statement.
Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (Pqytn)

It may be a sign that Macron has lost the Mandate of Heaven.

Posted by: Miklos, who been there when it was a church at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (zCyNd)

225 182
Wait, they took SEVEN HOURS to get water on this?



In the old days, a lot of someones would be shot for that.



Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (9221z)

It's France. Half of the firefighters were probably on a state mandated 30 day vacation. The other half were going to white privilege sensitivity training.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (LPVCP)

226 >>>45 looks like the scaffolding made it through.
Posted by: WisRich

definitely dark humor but i needed it and it made me LOL

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (PbpT7)

227 And BTW, the French police had previously arrested and jailed a muzzie woman for a plot to blow up Notre Dame with gas canisters. So it has been targeted by muzzies already. (Don't know if they're responsible for today's fire, but they ain't unhappy about it).
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When at first you don't succeed.

See the twin towers.

Posted by: hmmm at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (zvw0X)

228 >>Wait, they took SEVEN HOURS to get water on this?


But the trains were all on time.

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (dIb4M)

229 The walls are stone. But the rafters holding up the roofs are wood.

Posted by: JAS at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (KOCKb)

230 Now we know how Bernie felt when the Berlin wall fell.

Posted by: Awotter at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (0x00j)

231 I heard that someone had put Nicholas Cage up in that spire.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (Kpl3J)

232 BCochran1981

Did you see my tweet to you about naming your new puppy?

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (cF8AT)

233 ON AN ISLAND

+++

Could be wrong but it might be harder than you think. There are multiple walls for instance.

I don't blame the pompiers at all really. That cathedral would be difficult to put out, the architecture presents problems. Initial discussion was probably deciding if they could safely do anything other than save the surrounding area from fire and if they could rescue anything from the inside.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (O5f1Y)

234 The art was saved, what about the stained glass?
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (9221z)

----

Lead melts at about 600 degree F.

Doubtful.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (8XRCm)

235 Notre Dame also survived the French Revolution, even
though the devotees of Reason desecrated the high altar and destroyed
much of the interior religious imagery in the 1790s.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (pPNCa)

===================
A little-known fact is that when the Post-Bastille mob went nuts in Orleans, they burnt the city's treasury and all of its contents, which included several personal items belonging to St. Joan of Arc.

Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (Pqytn)

236 And there were in those days, many signs and portents and prodigies and prophets...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (bcbK8)

237 Wonder what Muzzie worker"ACCIDENTALLY" Caught it on fire?

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (BqBId)

238 I dunno, but "fire started a few minutes after closing time" sure sounds like "incendiary device in trashcan" to me.
Just my deplorable suspicious nature, I guess.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (wA4OO)

239 By that definition it hasn't been "Notre Dame" for a long time. It's be desecrated, sacked, damaged, generally fucked up multiple times since the initial completion 700 years ago.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:22 PM (9CkBG)
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Yep. There is no "original" Notre Dame. It's gone through multiple renovations/repairs over the centuries.

Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (G0vdT)

240 178 Quietly Captain Jacque Le Bon approached his Dassault Rafale, whistling softly as he climbs the ladder to inspect the cockpit. The canopy glistens as his ground crew finish all their preflight checks. Jacque checks his maps...Paris to Mecca. Weather good. He is ready.
Now he sits and waits patiently for the order.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:20 PM (0tfLf)



In an ideal world. Meanwhile, in that same world, all the gendarmes are mobilized for a massive round up of The Usual Supects.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (ujg0T)

241 The art was saved, what about the stained glass?

That's several levels of more complicated and difficult to pull off. I'm guessing those are gone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (39g3+)

242 To be replaced by what? Some Brutalist box? An empty square with a plaque and an "eternal" flame?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 15, 2019 03:14 PM (k3g2v)


They already got the flame.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (hLRSq)

243 The rage if not might make this fire seem small...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (6qErC)

Dunno. Terrorists killed French people and the French eventually wound up apologizing and blaming the victims.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (BJKQV)

244 They can repurpose the scaffolding for the hangings?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (uYZSX)

245 It looks more like the French State nationalized it but all expenses would be paid by the Catholic Church. As it was used as the hq of an Archdiocese the ownership appears nominal.
---------------------------
So the Archdiocese controls the Paris Fire Department?

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (2LelM)

246 233 BCochran1981

Did you see my tweet to you about naming your new puppy?
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (cF8AT)

Call him 'Marco'!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (bcbK8)

247 not using any water or other fire retardation materials"

No one in the EU has powder fire retardant for an air drop?

Bizarre. So much for "cooperation"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (6qErC)

248 As a Catholic, I have mixed feelings about this idea. And I agree that this is an icon of Christianity.

----------------------------------------------

It's a cornerstone of Western civilization, it must be rebuilt. And I'm not even Catholic.

Posted by: jeffersonian at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (yX3gx)

249 Yes, but how does this help the self-esteem of trannies?

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (NWiLs)

250 How do you say 'Fucking Todd' in French?

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (dIb4M)

251 182 Wait, they took SEVEN HOURS to get water on this?

In the old days, a lot of someones would be shot for that.
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 03:21 PM (9221z)

Wait wut? Where do you see that? Seven hours from when they knew or seven hours from when it started?

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (RD7QR)

252 I heard that someone had put Nicholas Cage up in that spire.

We'll know for sure if there is footage of bees before the fire

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (39g3+)

253 I was thinking about fire boats as well.. The ones they have in Chicago reach what seems to be hundreds of feet high.. they can operate on the lake or even up the Chicago river.. how sad.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (so+oy)

254 There could be a video of a middle eastern man in an "I Love ISIS" tshirt setting the fire and Macron would still say it was an accident.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (gC2IV)

255 I put a potato in the microwave and pressed the pizza button. Six minutes later it was still a potato!

Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio Cortez at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (SkuXa)

256 Cool point from the PDT speech:

A business owner (350 employees) says, "And--you probably know--Rockford, Illinois was second in machine tool production"

And we have a president about whom he could say that.

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (C7rlo)

257 Why is the smoke so ... chemically looking?

Something they used to treat the wood?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (GBteo)

258 Indeed. Why I pray it was accidental.

The rage if not might make this fire seem small...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (6qErC)

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If it turned out to be Islamist arson, the French would do nothing and probably apologize, because the French are cucks.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (AzW6q)

259 Is the BCochran going to name the puppy Carrot?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (uYZSX)

260 Someone on the live feed just said, "A lot of the artwork has been saved."

Just please don't tell the "renovators" where they've been spirited away to.

Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (xSo9G)

261
The walls are stone.

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Limestone. Which the fire will spall by turning it to calcium corbonate.

That fire is burning at 3000 degrees plus. Granite would not survive.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (8XRCm)

262 "More: Does Paris not have firefighting boats that could just pump water up from the Seine?

I mean... it's right there"

First, we're going to need an environmental impact study. Next, a request for exception to the water pumping prohibition protecting the critically endangered Seine smelt...

Posted by: The EU at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (+rqF4)

263 I am in tears, and I thank God I have seen it in person, but didn't the bastards tear it down themselves during their revolution less than 200 years ago?

Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (5Q+j+)

264 In France, an average of two churches are being desecrated (i.e. vandalized, torched, feces smeared on, etc.) every day.
Similar types of things also happening to churches in Germany.

Bet you can't guess who's doing it? lol

And BTW, the French police had previously arrested and jailed a muzzie woman for a plot to blow up Notre Dame with gas canisters. So it has been targeted by muzzies already. (Don't know if they're responsible for today's fire, but they ain't unhappy about it).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (fqUgw)


Remember the Pali scumbags who holed up in the Church of the Nativity, taking priests and nuns hostage, pissing and shitting all over the place, tearing up bibles and books and generally destroying the place.

Europeans generally didn't give a shit about that - in fact all of the perps were given safe haven in various Eurotrash countries - and the CHurch of the Nativity was a lot older and more historical than even Notre Dame ... though it wasn't as big and didn't have as many popular movies or stories made of it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (ASicf)

265 It burned for HOURS before there was ONE ladder with ONE hose. The surrender monkeys are no better now than they were in the 40s. I am just beside myself watching this.

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (14URa)

266 I just want to know why in the world the French would not have a fire security system in the Notre Dame? Stupide!

Posted by: Quelle Horreur at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (8qYU4)

267 Rumor has it, it was discovered over the weekend that Hillary had stored several documents and email servers in the attic of the cathedral.

Now, there's a fire......

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (IXZGh)

268 Fire can't melt Nick Cage.

Posted by: eleven at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (NLLmE)

269 I pray that this truly was an accident. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.
--

To be honest, Europe is doing the slow slide into Islam via atheism. I'd rather it be muslim arson so the people of France can see who their government is importing, protecting, supporting and appeasing and make a decision.


That being said, even if it is islam, the msm story will be muslim backlash, not anything about the building itself. Became islam must be protected at all costs by left.


And why is that exactly?

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (Z3zSO)

270 Let's cut to the chase.

MOHAMMEDANS

They said they would burn it down, they have.

Posted by: Kemp at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (3llFN)

271 213: I heard most were in the building to avoid disruption of tourism and usual events.

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (U7k5w)

272 It's France. Half of the firefighters were probably on a state mandated 30 day vacation. The other half were going to white privilege sensitivity training.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (LPVCP)

The Concorde crashed after a piece of metal on the runway damaged it on takeoff from Paris.

The runway hadn't been thoroughly checked and cleared of debris because the crew had been at...safety training.

Posted by: Miklos, can't make this stuff up at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (zCyNd)

273 Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) warned Monday that President Trump is endangering the life of one of their members, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), with his attacks suggesting the freshman lawmaker downplayed the 9/11 terror attacks.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2019 03:23 PM (aKsyK)

But falsely accusing Trump of being a racist and Russian Agent is a okay.

And suggesting my ass. That's exactly what she did.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (rxtQa)

274
Something they used to treat the wood?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

--
Varnish

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (YslsA)

275 260 Is the BCochran going to name the puppy Carrot?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (uYZSX)

Carrot Ironfoundersson Cochran

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (NWiLs)

276 Call him 'Marco'!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (bcbK

----

*squinty eyes*

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (8XRCm)

277 Normally torches are used to remove paint in restorations. I don't think there is any paint involved in the exterior of the Cathedral. Doubt there was any in the rafters either. So we are looking at electrical fire or some ting else.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (2LelM)

278 There can't be 7 hours to let it burn before fire fighting started..

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (BbGew)

279 If this turns out to be arson, France needs to hoist the Oriflamme, something they haven't done for a very, very long time.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (0OWcv)

280 270: Pols on the take?

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (U7k5w)

281 Probably an accident related to construction work. Easy to make too much of an accident, but can't quite help but see this in conjunction with how careless the West has been with its heritage as a general matter.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (hdzef)

282 They can probably 3D print that thing in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (88+cf)

283 They built a new Coventry Cathedral beside the bombed ruins of the old medieval more than twenty years after Germans destroyed it.

-
Connie Willis wrote a comedy time travel syfy novel about restoring Coventry Cathedral, To Say Nothing of the Dog.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (+y/Ru)

284 This is just so sad. I can't even comprehend it right now.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (kG5hP)

285 And when they renovate, I hope they don't put up some modern glass bullshit in front of it like they have at the Louvre.

Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (5Q+j+)

286 233 BCochran1981

Did you see my tweet to you about naming your new puppy?
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (cF8AT)



I don't think I did. *goes to look*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (9CkBG)

287 264
I am in tears, and I thank God I have seen it in person, but didn't the
bastards tear it down themselves during their revolution less than 200
years ago?

Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (5Q+j+)
No. It has stood for 850 years. Even the Nazis did not destroy it. I'm no papist but this is an architectural icon and today is further proof that evil is winning. Because you will never, ever convince me that this was not a deliberate act of evil. And you know who I'm talking about.

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (14URa)

288 Wonder what Muzzie worker"ACCIDENTALLY" Caught it on fire?
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (BqBId)


After accidentally spilling a 55gal drum of accelerant.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (1g7ch)

289 When at first you don't succeed.

See the twin towers.
_____________

Yep, they do tend to go back and try again with a new and improved plan when their first efforts don't cause as much death and destruction as they intended.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (fqUgw)

290
Old and busted - Quasimodo

New hotness - 1/1024th-modo

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (zBaqJ)

291 Paris apparently only has two pumper trucks as well.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (Y3hKx)

292 Call him 'Marco'!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM

It's a female English bulldog. I suggested naming her either Maggie or Thatcher.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (cF8AT)

293 247 233 BCochran1981

Did you see my tweet to you about naming your new puppy?
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:25 PM (cF8AT)

Call him 'Marco'!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (bcbK

Polo!

Dammit...

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (NWiLs)

294 223 Over 3000 reasons why this is night and day compared to 9/11.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:24 PM (rxtQa)



If it creates a generation of "Soccer Moms turned Security Moms" in France, close enough.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (ujg0T)

295 Imagine the primo, old growth timber used in that thing. Building materials had to be like picking out a chunk of marble for Michelangelo to carve.

Posted by: dartist at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (K22Va)

296 Someone should check the ISIS Twatter feed and see if they've claimed responsibility yet.

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (IXZGh)

297 Probably an accident related to construction work. Easy to make too much of an accident, but can't quite help but see this in conjunction with how careless the West has been with its heritage as a general matter.

-
I hate to sound too conspiratorial but I question the timing.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (+y/Ru)

298 The Concorde crashed after a piece of metal on the runway damaged it on takeoff from Paris.

The runway hadn't been thoroughly checked and cleared of debris because the crew had been at...safety training.
Posted by: Miklos, can't make this stuff up at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (zCyNd)

To be fair, if I recall that story, the engine cowling had fallen off an old 757 or something like... one or two take offs before and no one immediately noticed.

Which is probably fair.

Although dangerous AF.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (GBteo)

299 It can be rebuilt, but it will never be the same.

Some rebuilding projects turn out very well. Sir Christopher Wren's version of St. Paul's Cathedral is beautiful in its own English Baroque way, even though it is not a replica of Old St. Paul's, the Gothic cathedral that was destroyed in the Great Fire of London in 1666.

Winston Churchill urged London firefighters to concentrate on saving St. Paul's in 1941 (it suffered two direct hits during the Blitz) on the grounds that its destruction would damage the morale of his war-torn country.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (pPNCa)

300 There can't be 7 hours to let it burn before fire fighting started..
Posted by: Skip at A



needed to make sure the evidence was destroyed.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (MTjB1)

301 Maybe Trump is right about Fake News. We all know there's no way fire melts that steel spire. Clearly, this is all fake.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (FJYfm)

302 kinda pissed at the french firefighters, even though I don't know the situation, and it is a French iconic place. But I just can't see the same reaction by responders in the US.

According to multiple firefighters on the Twatter, Paris' department is considered one of the best in the world. The problem is it's on an island, the roads are narrow and awful, and a cathedral is the worst-case structure design for firefighting.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (ZGrMX)

303 102
>Also called it a "historic trauma" and a non-lethal 9/11 for France."

>>The terrorists are killing your ancestors, buddy, by erasing any
record of them. Destroy their historic artifacts, buildings, cemeteries,
etc.

--Posted by: Lizzy

Watch Macron's response to this. Oh, he'll make the usual empty, feckless, political noises about it being a "tragedy", etc. But if there is any hint of stonewalling or a whitewash of an investigation, he'll be signaling that he simply doesn't care about the loss.

He'll also be putting out the subliminal message that it's open season on *any* Christian churches, no matter what denomination. If the loss of historic Notre Dame Cathedral is met with a shrug by the leftist political class, then what guarantee of legal protections do other local Christian congregations have in France?


Posted by: Anonymous 7 at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (DwzBO)

304 293 Call him 'Marco'!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM

It's a female English bulldog. I suggested naming her either Maggie or Thatcher.


Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (cF8AT)

I like those suggestions.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (bcbK8)

305 Call him 'Marco'!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (bcbK



Oh look. Notre Dame isn't the only thing on fire.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (9CkBG)

306 292 Paris apparently only has two pumper trucks as well.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (Y3hKx)

Maybe we should return the favor for giving us the statue of liberty and donate a fire truck or two to Paris.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (GBteo)

307 Ok, the live feed people are dissing Trump over his water drop advice.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (cF8AT)

308
I realize it's a 750 year old cathedral but you'd think they'd have retrofitted it with a halon fire suppression system.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (zBaqJ)

309 Paris apparently only has two pumper trucks as well.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (Y3hKx)
+++++++++++
That's can't be right, can it? If so, Paris is a tinderbox and a big fire would spread like, well, wildfire and destroy the city with relative ease. I know they use a lot of stone construction, but that defies belief - especially in a city where rioters set fires with relative frequency.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (I2dne)

310 303 kinda pissed at the french firefighters, even though I don't know the situation, and it is a French iconic place. But I just can't see the same reaction by responders in the US.

According to multiple firefighters on the Twatter, Paris' department is considered one of the best in the world. The problem is it's on an island, the roads are narrow and awful, and a cathedral is the worst-case structure design for firefighting.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (ZGrMX)

Especially when you don't try.
7 hours.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (bcbK8)

311 No firefighting boats even though the river is right there. No fire fighting aircraft. This is what happens when government is all and discretionary funds go to welfare for alien invaders who want to destroy Western civilization.

Posted by: csmats at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (X5VFN)

312 From and earlier thread commenter:


In the choir, there existed a first frame with woods felled around 1160-1170 (it is estimated that some could have 300 to 400 years, which brings us to the 8th or 9th centuries !!!). This first frame has disappeared, but woods were reused in the second frame set up in 1220. They are still there today. Why this second frame?
- Fire, it's not impossible.


http://tinyurl.com/y3dobcjv

Posted by: Braenyard at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (2PgZd)

313 Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) warned Monday that
President Trump is endangering the life of one of their members


Why can't they spend their time focusing on more worthwhile pursuits? Retrieving our flag from Mars would be a good start.

Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (vtcmf)

314 It's a female English bulldog. I suggested naming her either Maggie or Thatcher.


Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:30 PM (cF8AT)


Sharia.

Because British.

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (IXZGh)

315 something good and Godly will come from this......it was just a building filled with things from this world.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (0O7c5)

316 I'm no papist but this is an architectural icon and today is further proof that evil is winning. Because you will never, ever convince me that this was not a deliberate act of evil. And you know who I'm talking about.
_______________

If it did turn out to be a deliberate act by muzzies, I'm not sure Macron would let that get out to the public. That would enrage the French (the real ones), and he's already got more than he can handle with the Yellow Vests.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (fqUgw)

317 > I hate to sound too conspiratorial but I question the timing.

Even if it does turn out to be an accident, it could still be related to the timing. Say, if the workers were cutting corners trying to get something ready before Easter.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (0OWcv)

318 The Concorde crashed after a piece of metal on the runway damaged it on takeoff from Paris.



The runway hadn't been thoroughly checked and cleared of debris because the crew had been at...safety training.


Errr, no. The cowling strip that came off the Continental flight fell off five minutes before Concorde flight 4590 took off.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (7s3Gx)

319 I just want to know why in the world the French would not have a fire security system in the Notre Dame?


Zee permite she is , how you say, "held up" in zee Departmente Nacional du Environment.

Posted by: Chief Fire Inspector Clouseau at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (LL1Be)

320 Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) warned Monday that President Trump is endangering the life of one of their members, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), with his attacks suggesting the freshman lawmaker downplayed the 9/11 terror attacks.

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If you strike him down, he'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (+y/Ru)

321 Smoke then flames?

Hey shep that is some mighty in depth reporting?

Asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (bim/x)

322 didn't the bastards tear it down themselves during their revolution less than 200 years ago

They didn't tear it down, but they destroyed some of the interior statuary in the 1790s and desecrated the high altar by enthroning a naked prostitute on it as the Goddess of Reason.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (pPNCa)

323 Maybe we should return the favor for giving us the statue of liberty and donate a fire truck or two to Paris.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (GBteo)


And throw Puerto Rico in, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (ASicf)

324 British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)

325 I was thinking about fire boats as well.."

Surprised as well. IIRC, the new Houston fire boats can pump somewhere around 500+ feet...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (6qErC)

326 308
Ok, the live feed people are dissing Trump over his water drop advice.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (cF8AT)
Probably failed to understand the meaning of the word "Perhaps".

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (37IEG)

327 According to multiple firefighters on the Twatter, Paris' department is considered one of the best in the world. The problem is it's on an island, the roads are narrow and awful, and a cathedral is the worst-case structure design for firefighting.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (ZGrMX)



THIS. Sadly, a lot of us Americans don't realize how hard it is to navigate big American LaFrance style fire trucks (seriously, that IS the brand name of most of them) through the narrow medieval era streets of this area.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (ujg0T)

328 321 Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) warned Monday that President Trump is endangering the life of one of their members, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), with his attacks suggesting the freshman lawmaker downplayed the 9/11 terror attacks.

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If you strike him down, he'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (+y/Ru)

No one's ever REALLY gone

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (bcbK8)

329 So, it seems wars aren't the only thing the French are useless at fighting.

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (IXZGh)

330 Probably an accident related to construction work. Easy to make too much of an accident, but can't quite help but see this in conjunction with how careless the West has been with its heritage as a general matter.

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I hate to sound too conspiratorial but I question the timing.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM



I'll withhold judgement until more data is available.
As mentioned earlier this morning, there isn't a church in Europe that doesn't have scaffolding around it. As long as they are under repair, they pay less in taxes. First question here...was anyone even working today on the scaffolding?

Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (0tfLf)

331 308: Maybe dumping water would have broken the roof (which collapsed anyway) but saved the interior. It seems to have grown and spread with incredible speed. Old wood, or something else?

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (U7k5w)

332 325
British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just
took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your
help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's
suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
Sure - that's why there's no cathedral now - because they didn't need anyone's help.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (37IEG)

333 >> I was thinking about fire boats as well.."


Helos with buckets.

They do it all the time out here.

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (dIb4M)

334 Yep. There is no "original" Notre Dame. It's gone through multiple renovations/repairs over the centuries.
Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (G0vdT)

Reminds me of the bit by a comedian who said he owned the hatchet George Washington used to cut down the cherry tree.

He said the handle broke about 50 years ago and had to be replaced and about 25 years ago the the hatchet blade had cracked and had to be replaced .

But though it doesn't have any of the original parts it still occupies the same spot.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (rxtQa)

335 That being said, even if it is islam, the msm story will be muslim backlash, not anything about the building itself. Became islam must be protected at all costs by left.


And why is that exactly?
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 03:28 PM (Z3zSO)

Proxy army against Christians and Christianity.

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (YmfOS)

336 325 British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)

Noted, then.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (bcbK8)

337 From Summit News website:

However, TIME columnist Christopher J. Hale tweeted, "A Jesuit friend in Paris who works in #NotreDame told me cathedral staff said the fire was intentionally set."

Here's a link to their website: https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxqtell2

Go there and you can see who Chris Hale's tweet which has since been deleted. Checked him out on Twitter and he's a dem, worked for Obama, and ran (unsuccessfully) for office in TN.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (NtglE)

338 Clearly this is PG&E's Fault!

Posted by: California.... at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (NgKpN)

339 However... this cathedral is in France. It is a tourist attraction. I don't know if it's my responsibility as an American Catholic to repbuild a French icon that probably makes money for a French government that supports Islam and hate Catholics.

If the French want this rebulit, they should spearhead this. If they do not, well then, it's over for Christian France. Just declare Islam the religion of the state and get it over with.

Posted by: shibumi


"Well, it wasn't my house on fire..."
Heard often prior to 4805AD

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (uAgHA)

340 282 Probably an accident related to construction work. Easy to make too much of an accident, but can't quite help but see this in conjunction with how careless the West has been with its heritage as a general matter.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at April 15, 2019 03:29 PM (hdzef)

A big part of that sloppiness is that a building that important, and that iconic, should have had sprinklers, automatic fire suppression systems, early warning sensors, etc. But like every great ancient building in Europe, I'm sure that no one ever spent one penny to have any of those things installed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (Kpl3J)

341 In true Horde fashion we should think of the worst thing that could be put up in place of Notre-Dame, insist that our speculation is exactly what's going to happen and argue about so that we end up rage-twitching on the floor.

Okay - they will erect a glass trapezoid that will feature 24 hour, 7 days a week LGBTQWTF dance and poetry slams.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (hLRSq)

342 It's a female English bulldog. I suggested naming her either Maggie or Thatcher.

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Thatcher would be a great name.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (+y/Ru)

343 Soo.. what Prog will have the most outrageous 'hot take' on the fire ?

Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (lWCRE)

344 250 Yes, but how does this help the self-esteem of trannies?
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:27 PM (NWiLs)

I think you meant "Muslims".

Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (UnA8+)

345 If it did turn out to be a deliberate act by muzzies, I'm not sure Macron would let that get out to the public. That would enrage the French (the real ones), and he's already got more than he can handle with the Yellow Vests.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (fqUgw)

I'm not sure anyone still gives a shit what the French government thinks. If they can't explain how the fire got so bad over seven hours, someone will die.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (6n54H)

346 >>Old wood


Just a hint of Friction can set that stuff off.

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (dIb4M)

347 More: Does Paris not have firefighting boats that could just pump water up from the Seine?

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It's not some American island but an historic medieval city. Meaning built to withstand seiges in it's day. And probably medieval seiges engines with a similar arc.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (O5f1Y)

348 We were in Pisa years ago, and there was Arab graffiti spray painted on churches around town. No one seemed in a hurry to remove it.

Same thing on churches in Germany.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (ptqGC)

349 I realize it's a 750 year old cathedral but you'd think they'd have retrofitted it with a halon fire suppression system.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (zBaqJ)


Halon would kill all occupants. May not even made any more.

If they tried wet pipe sprinklers that would have been minimal effort.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (1g7ch)

350 and desecrated the high altar by enthroning a naked prostitute on it as the Goddess of Reason.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (pPNCa)


LOL. Nothing promotes reason in a man like a naked chick.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (ASicf)

351 Will thoughts and prayers be acceptable for France ?
or will Gun Control and Immigration reform be required ?

Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (lWCRE)

352 And throw Puerto Rico in, too.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (ASicf)

...Shit, are still carrying PR on our balance sheet?

I thought we wrote that off decades ago.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (GBteo)

353 > Some rebuilding projects turn out very well. Sir Christopher Wren's version of St. Paul's Cathedral is beautiful in its own English Baroque way, even though it is not a replica of Old St. Paul's, the Gothic cathedral that was destroyed in the Great Fire of London in 1666.

Good point, but they won't get Sir Christopher Wren. They'll get some hack like Frank Gehry, and I said on the previous post, they'll get something that looks like a post-tornado trailer park after the rubble has been bulldozed into a pile.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (0OWcv)

354 325 British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)


Yeah, they're doing a bang-up job all on their own.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (BJKQV)

355 @317
If it did turn out to be a deliberate act by muzzies, I'm not sure Macron would let that get out to the public.

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Depending on who had access to the report, the choice to release it to the public might end up taken out of his hands.

This will need to be watched very closely.

Posted by: junior at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (Fp6vo)

356 A big part of that sloppiness is that a building that important, and that iconic, should have had sprinklers, automatic fire suppression systems, early warning sensors, etc.

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French building codes were fairly lax during the dark ages.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (sX1BW)

357 Heard often prior to 4805AD

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (uAgHA)



Woah.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (9CkBG)

358 British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun


Well...yeah. I think they do need his help. They need somebody's help.

Posted by: eleven at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (NLLmE)

359 Maybe dumping water would have broken the roof (which collapsed anyway) but saved the interior. It seems to have grown and spread with incredible speed. Old wood, or something else?
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (U7k5w)

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Rebuilding fire damaged property is what I do for a living.

There is going to be nothing to save.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (8XRCm)

360 337 325 British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)

Noted, then.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (bcbK

Enjoy your imminent status as an Islamic Country, France.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (UnA8+)

361 I realize it's a 750 year old cathedral but you'd think they'd have retrofitted it with a halon fire suppression system.

Halon relies on choking out fire by replacing oxygen, that would be nearly impossible in an 850 year old building with that much internal space.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (39g3+)

362 when you read the deal that notre dame got brexit is understandable.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (MTjB1)

363 335 Yep. There is no "original" Notre Dame. It's gone through multiple renovations/repairs over the centuries.
Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 03:26 PM (G0vdT)

Reminds me of the bit by a comedian who said he owned the hatchet George Washington used to cut down the cherry tree.

He said the handle broke about 50 years ago and had to be replaced and about 25 years ago the the hatchet blade had cracked and had to be replaced .

But though it doesn't have any of the original parts it still occupies the same spot.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (rxtQa)

The paradox of Theses's Ship. I wrote, and sold, a story along those lines.

If you replace everything, piece by piece, at what point does it stop being what it was?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (bcbK8)

364 309 I realize it's a 750 year old cathedral but you'd think they'd have retrofitted it with a halon fire suppression system.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 03:32 PM (zBaqJ)


Halon has the unfortunate side effect of killing you if you are caught in it.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (kUmUV)

365 The Concord crash was the usual chain of events leading to big kaboom.

Metal strip falls off preceding plane. Concord runs over the strip and cuts the rubber. Tyre disintegrates and slings a large chunk of rubber into a wing fuel tank puncturing it while damaging wiring. So fuel is pouring out while the throttle is open and voila one long flaming disaster.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (uYZSX)

366 Ok, the live feed people are dissing Trump over his water drop advice. "

Flame retardant isn't 100 percent water.

Those "people" are stupid.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (6qErC)

367 I did a Google image search for Paris, Fire Brigade, boats... aaaaand, nothing.


By the way, I'm writing this from an 95 year old school house that was burned out in the 1980's and converted to condos in 1990's. The only thing original is the outer 2-foot think granite walls... which makes me hopeful all the major outer structure of Notre Dame will sill be standing once the flame are extinguished.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (Xqo6t)

368 I like those suggestions.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:31 PM (bcbK

Apparently BCochran doesn't. Never responded to them...on Twitter or here.

I thought they were cute!

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (cF8AT)

369 British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)
+++++++++++
Aerial bombardment with water might not work, and I know France is not known for crappy fire response and that no one like amateurs butting in during a crisis - but c'mon. They teased Barry when he sent freaking James Taylor to sing them a song after a terror attack, but never attacked him even for that humiliating and appalling "gesture."

People need to come to grips.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (I2dne)

370 Wait, they took SEVEN HOURS to get water on this?

Huh? The fire only started four hours ago.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (x3tTl)

371 "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.

Yeah lady, clearly you did

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (39g3+)

372 I don't buy accident. Holy Week. Christian Cathedral. Country overrun by jihadists.

Posted by: AnnaS at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (7eotl)

373 Halon is heavier than air so it displaces the oxygen a fire needs.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (uYZSX)

374 British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)


So ... unlike WWI and WWII, then?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (x3tTl)

375 The Titanic sank on the 15th too.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (AB9tT)

376
Halon would kill all occupants. May not even made any more.

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Its not made any more because of the toxicity fears, which were unfounded and overblown....kinda like DDT.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (8XRCm)

377 If you replace everything, piece by piece, at what point does it stop being what it was?

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Depends doesn't it.

Let's say you have an old car - maybe your dad's old car. And you restore it over the years to the point that everything is a new part.

Would you still consider it your dad's old car?

I would.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (sX1BW)

378 Whe should probably move important European landmarks over here for safe keeping.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (TAmPV)

Way ahead of you on that one.

Posted by: zombie Robert Paxton McCullogh at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (TfwlC)

379 Achmed's Razor: Muzzies prolly did it.

Posted by: ROP at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (4Eo4+)

380 the France24 media editor, James Creedon just took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "

He's an Irish f**k who hates America. Who cares what that sh***bag utters?



Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (6qErC)

381
Rebuilding fire damaged property is what I do for a living.



There is going to be nothing to save.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (8XRCm)
They're going to have to structurally level this thing right? They can't use any of that stone after this heat treatment even if it looks like it survived can they?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (37IEG)

382 re: concorde crash -- just looked it up, it was a mad dog, not a 757, that was dropping parts on the runway.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (GBteo)

383 Halon is heavier than air so it displaces the oxygen a fire needs.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (uYZSX)


A raging fire generates an updraft that would most likely dispel any Halon.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (x3tTl)

384 "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in
reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.


Excellent.
You Vichy fuckers can form an alliance with Iran and get that shit done.

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (LL1Be)

385 >>I realize it's a 750 year old cathedral but you'd think they'd have retrofitted it with a halon fire suppression system.


A. Halon is now banned.

B. It wouldn't work in this environment.

Sprinklers or water mist and it still would have been impractical.

Posted by: Earl Sheib at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (/tuJf)

386 should have used the tankers. would have been better to lose some of the church than everything.


not that they had some or that we could have gotten them there.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (MTjB1)

387 "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water. 
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr) 

Does the President have superpowers? How can he provoke maximum cuntiness in his enemies, which is inversely proportional to their effect?

Notre Dame burns for hours: ah well, c'est la vie.
Nationalists protest: SHOOT TO KILL!

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (6n54H)

388 They're going to have to structurally level this thing right? They can't use any of that stone after this heat treatment even if it looks like it survived can they?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (37IEG)

I don't know how hot the fire is burning, or what the properties of limestone are, but... idk, might be ok.

Wouldn't bet on it though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (GBteo)

389 371 Wait, they took SEVEN HOURS to get water on this?

Huh? The fire only started four hours ago.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:38 PM (x3tTl)

I'd been hearing it took two hours for them to get on site and staged.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (NWiLs)

390 dammit

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (/tuJf)

391 Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) warned Monday that President Trump is endangering the life of one of their members, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), with his attacks suggesting the freshman lawmaker downplayed the 9/11 terror attacks.

__________________

Ms. Immigration Fraudster is the one who downplayed the 9/11 ISLAMIC terror attacks, and Trump wasn't the only American who was offended by her remarks.

If she doesn't want to be criticized for her ignorant public comments, she should stop making them.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (fqUgw)

392 no reason to believe it is an accident when you have a bunch of insane jihadis that are trying to destroy everyone and everything.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (MTjB1)

393 If they can re-build the abby at Monte Cassino, then Notre Dame Cathedral will be rebuilt.

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (gmo/4)

394 364 If you replace everything, piece by piece, at what point does it stop being what it was?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (bcbK

I learned the answer to that question when I replaced every part of a pre-made computer with new parts, ages ago.

It stopped being the same thing (though one can argue it still carries the lineage) when the last original part was replaced.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (UnA8+)

395 British reporter woman and the France24 media editor, James Creedon just took an unmistakable pot shot at President Trump. "We don't need your help, thank you very much" kind of response, in reply to Trump's suggestion of the water tanks dropping water.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (JoUsr)

Those two have sort of assumed the authority to accept or refuse assistance, haven't they. I didn't know reporters were now the French and Parisian governments.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (hLRSq)

396 368 the outer 2-foot think granite walls.



heh

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (vWMNq)

397 391 dammit
Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (/tuJf)

The fire or something else?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (bcbK8)

398 Good point, but they won't get Sir Christopher Wren. They'll get some
hack like Frank Gehry, and I said on the previous post, they'll get
something that looks like a post-tornado trailer park after the rubble
has been bulldozed into a pile.

That's right. The talent to do stuff like that is gone. Plus how long did it take to build it, 200 years?

Posted by: dartist at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (K22Va)

399 By the way the media and elites are attacking Trump, they know he scored a bulls-eye on French incompetence.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (uYZSX)

400 393 no reason to believe it is an accident when you have a bunch of insane jihadis that are trying to destroy everyone and everything.

True, except this time it looks like an accident. We shall see

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (O2RFr)

401 Rumor has it, it was discovered over the weekend that Hillary had stored several documents and email servers in the attic of the cathedral.

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Along with my arsenal!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (+y/Ru)

402 re: concorde crash -- just looked it up, it was a mad dog, not a 757, that was dropping parts on the runway.

Mad dog?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (7s3Gx)

403 They're going to have to structurally level this thing right? They can't use any of that stone after this heat treatment even if it looks like it survived can they?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:39 PM (37IEG)

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Nope.

I belive the church is limestome. All of that is going to spall. The heat changes the limestone to calcium carbonate.

Even if it were granite, I doubt that would survive that hot of a fire.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (8XRCm)

404 And probably medieval seiges engines with a similar arc."

IIRC, it's about a hundred feet or so the chapel on the side closest to the water, so pretty much the entire structure would be within range of a modern fire boat...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (6qErC)

405 Halon is heavier than air so it displaces the oxygen a fire needs.
=========
Its a really really big volume to fill. Maybe if the attic was where it started and that was a smaller enclosed space, but really, get a fire going in an attic in a medieval cathedral, its over. Complicating factors include, French people, island limited access.

Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (DYNzp)

406 I realize it's a 750 year old cathedral but you'd think they'd have retrofitted it with a halon fire suppression system.

Halon relies on choking out fire by replacing oxygen, that would be nearly impossible in an 850 year old building with that much internal space.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (39g3+)


Concealed space between the barrel vault ceiling and the high pitched is vast. It would be no problem running conventional wet pipe sprinklers there.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (1g7ch)

407 347
>>Old wood





Just a hint of Friction can set that stuff off.

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (dIb4M)

Especially in the morning.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (t6MX/)

408 357 That's funny - I don't care who you are

Posted by: rammajamma at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (AjNMO)

409 >>The fire or something else?

Sticky sock.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (/tuJf)

410 If no terrorist group is claiming responsibility yet, it's probably terrorism.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (oVJmc)

411 Trump is an idiot and, like virtually all reality stars, offers his idiocy on multiple subjects for public consumption.

Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (QTTaq)

412 Ben Shapiro tweeted it was Judeo-Christian values that built this Wonder of Western Civilization. Never let a crisis go to waste Benny even while it is burning to the ground to pump your new book's premise. Funny, I thought it was a Catholic Cathedral.
If I was Jewish and I'm not but if I was, I'd draw up a plan to disappear that little fuckstick because at every turn he says stupid shit that is either intentional or because he is autistic that doesn't bring good faith towards the Jewish community.
When the war against the wizards begin, he will be the first to go.

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (YmfOS)

413 Mad dog?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (7s3Gx)

McDonnell douglas DC-10

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (GBteo)

414 everything was better than what they did

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (MTjB1)

415 Regarding dropping water....from a friend: "as someone who lives in fire country where they regularly use tankers, we are always told (because everyone asks) that dropping literal tons of water on structures from altitude cannot be done. It will destroy the building. They rarely even use water on trees anymore because it creates craters and changes the landscape. It's almost all bio-degradable retardant now."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (9CkBG)

416 We don't need your help, thank you very much"

+++

"No! Now go away before we make fun of you a second time!"

Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (O5f1Y)

417 395 364 If you replace everything, piece by piece, at what point does it stop being what it was?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:37 PM (bcbK

I learned the answer to that question when I replaced every part of a pre-made computer with new parts, ages ago.

It stopped being the same thing (though one can argue it still carries the lineage) when the last original part was replaced.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (UnA8+)

That is one answer.
There IS a line, I think. Probably not at 50%, maybe at 25% original where the nature of the thing, or person, has changed.

But I'm willing to entertain the opposite view that there is something of the spirit that continues on even if parts change.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (bcbK8)

418 398
391 dammit

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (/tuJf)



The fire or something else?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:41 PM (bcbK

Don't cry over spilled bong water.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (t6MX/)

419
I'd been hearing it took two hours for them to get on site and staged.


Probably their lunch break.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (oVJmc)

420 Here, Rob. Have a Miltown...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (7s3Gx)

421 Regarding dropping water....from a friend: "as someone who lives in fire country where they regularly use tankers, we are always told (because everyone asks) that dropping literal tons of water on structures from altitude cannot be done. It will destroy the building. They rarely even use water on trees anymore because it creates craters and changes the landscape. It's almost all bio-degradable retardant now."
Posted by: BCochran1981 at A




so the downside would have been?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (MTjB1)

422 If you replace everything, piece by piece, at what point does it stop being what it was?

But enough about Cher.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (oVJmc)

423 The Titanic sank on the 15th too.

-
Lincoln was shot on the 14th, died on the 15th.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (+y/Ru)

424 I don't know how hot the fire is burning, or what the properties of limestone are, but... idk, might be ok.

Wouldn't bet on it though.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (GBteo)


Concrete can be affected by heat, but like you I'm not sure on stone. Fire like that I would think most of the heat would go up so the temperature on the walls may not be that bad. It won't be the same, but if any of the walls remain and have been compromised they could be supported by a light steel frame in the inside.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (kUmUV)

425 the worst thing that could be put up in place of Notre-Dame

Move the UN buildings to Paris?

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (pPNCa)

426 I think they must surely have concentrated on getting the jewels and other treasures out before thinking about the structure. Water would have ruined as lot of that anyway. I'm sure they had a plan, although we ARE talking about the French here.

Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (5Q+j+)

427 @364 If you replace everything, piece by piece, at what point does it stop being what it was?
----------------

One of Terry Pratchett's novels (can't remember which one off the top of my head) ended on a similar note. The villains plotted to destroy and counterfeit an important physical cultural icon... without realizing that the icon had naturally decayed and been secretly replaced multiple times over the centuries.

Posted by: junior at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (Fp6vo)

428 I realize it's a 750 year old cathedral but you'd think they'd have retrofitted it with a halon fire suppression system.

A. Halon is now banned.

B. It wouldn't work in this environment.

Sprinklers or water mist and it still would have been impractical.
Posted by: Earl Sheib at April 15, 2019 03:40 PM (/tuJf)


This.

Another thing is that halon can smother an incipient fire, but when fed into a raging fire can itself be destroyed. Even carbon tetrachloride, when exposed to fire, results in production of phosgene. Tres nasty stuff.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (x3tTl)

429 360: Thanks for the info. Seems that the fire became huge quickly. Was that the old wood?

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (U7k5w)

430 Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (QTTaq)

but I bet some of your best friends are trumps ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (bim/x)

431 so the downside would have been?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (MTjB1)

Building got destroyed by fire anyway. I don't see how destroying with water would have been any worse.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (J+mig)

432 But I'm willing to entertain the opposite view that there is something of the spirit that continues on even if parts change.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,

Si, es verdad.

Posted by: Miklos, Havana taxi driver at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (zCyNd)

433 I honestly believe that the Brits, the French, the Germans, the Spaniards and the Scandinavians are so extremely jealous and resentful of America that they will never admit that they or their government ever did anything wrong.

They will have to be drowning in their own children's blood before they ask us openly for help.

Posted by: Martell at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (N7J/1)

434 Robie sounds like an interesting Italian. Have you traveled to all 57 states? Wouldn't happen to be a corpse man would you? Let me tell you this idea I have about a trillion dollar platinum coin.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (SkuXa)

435 Trump is an idiot and, like virtually all reality stars, offers his idiocy on multiple subjects for public consumption.
Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (QTTaq)

-----

Hello first name only troll guy.

Tell your Mom I left my jacket hanging on the bedpost and Ill pick it up next time Im by for a sleep over.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (8XRCm)

436 426: Cathedral of Holy Appeasement

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (U7k5w)

437 Notre Dame is in the middle of a river. Fire boats would be part fire safety if this cathedral was in the United States.

It was Notre Dame. they should have been ALL OVER IT, trying anything, asking for help

ANYTHING

not just filming smoke, then flames, then bits falling off. then one guy with a damn hose.

COME ON!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (Rarvo)

438 so the downside would have been?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (MTjB1)


The complete destruction of the building and damage to surrounding buildings. Other than that, not much.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (9CkBG)

439 Somebody mentioned Chartres on the previous thread.

Any chance somebody -- anybody! -- in France has woken up and is actually planning ahead for something this devastating?

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (ebZss)

440 416 Regarding dropping water....from a friend: "as someone who lives in fire country where they regularly use tankers, we are always told (because everyone asks) that dropping literal tons of water on structures from altitude cannot be done. It will destroy the building. They rarely even use water on trees anymore because it creates craters and changes the landscape. It's almost all bio-degradable retardant now."

I live in fire country and while I agree they use fire retardant, I stood and watched them fill up buckets with water from the lake and helicopter it and dump

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (O2RFr)

441 They will have to be drowning in their own children's blood before they ask us openly for help.
Posted by: Martell at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (N7J/1)

Don't tease me

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (bcbK8)

442 Was that the old wood?
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (U7k5w)

I laid the wood to a young frenchie once in israel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (bim/x)

443 412 Trump is an idiot and, like virtually all reality stars, offers his idiocy on multiple subjects for public consumption.
Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (QTTaq)


I suspect he's a lot brighter than you.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (x3tTl)

444 This is what happens when you don't have a beer stand at an attraction.

Posted by: REDACTED at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (RZ6R1)

445 Concrete can be affected by heat, but like you I'm not sure on stone. Fire like that I would think most of the heat would go up so the temperature on the walls may not be that bad. It won't be the same, but if any of the walls remain and have been compromised they could be supported by a light steel frame in the inside.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (kUmUV)

I think if stone gets hot enough, it starts to crack.

But I could be wrong, after all, I am just a moron.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (GBteo)

446 We may never know the motivation behind this.

Posted by: wth at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (v0R5T)

447 Building got destroyed by fire anyway. I don't see how destroying with water would have been any worse.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at A


yes, everything is gone now, might have recovered some of the art were it water.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (MTjB1)

448 so pretty much the entire structure would be within range of a modern fire boat...

+++

Could be. Never seen a modern fire boat. I'm offering variables that might affect the choice on using them.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (O5f1Y)

449 Shep feels helpless.

LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (bim/x)

450 433 But I'm willing to entertain the opposite view that there is something of the spirit that continues on even if parts change.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,

Si, es verdad.
Posted by: Miklos, Havana taxi driver at April 15, 2019 03:45 PM (zCyNd)

Say what you want about 'em, Cubans know how to maintain a car.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (bcbK8)

451 ...but, unlike Hillary, Trump is President of the Fucking United States.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (oVJmc)

452 McDonnell douglas DC-10

Correct. Wiki's got a nice little writeup of the whole affair. And Air Crash Investigation highlighted the difficulties the investigators had in figuring out the fuel tank had in fact ruptured rather than had been punctured.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (7s3Gx)

453 Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (Rarvo)

+ 1,000,000

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (14URa)

454 Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (QTTaq)

You're here why?

I mean really...what do you hope to accomplish?

Do you really believe you'll have a chance in hell?

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (cF8AT)

455 The Titanic sank on the 15th too.



-

Lincoln was shot on the 14th, died on the 15th.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (+y/Ru)

The Templar's were arrested on the 13th...

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (gmo/4)

456 >>Another thing is that halon can smother an incipient fire, but when fed into a raging fire can itself be destroyed. Even carbon tetrachloride, when exposed to fire, results in production of phosgene. Tres nasty stuff.

You don't want to be anywhere near a place where halon is exposed to fire. As you said, very nasty.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (/tuJf)

457
Nope.



I belive the church is limestome. All of that is going to spall. The heat changes the limestone to calcium carbonate.



Even if it were granite, I doubt that would survive that hot of a fire.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (8XRCm)
And of course just wait till someone remembers the burning lead environmental issues.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (37IEG)

458 I live in fire country and while I agree they use fire retardant, I stood and watched them fill up buckets with water from the lake and helicopter it and dump
Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (O2RFr)
++++++++++
When we have a wildfire it is usually retardant for wide-area bombardment (C130-based fire tankers) and water for the targeted stuff (helicopter drops). It's thankfully been a few years since my mountain caught on fire so that may have changed but it has been the norm of most of my life.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (I2dne)

459 >>>but I bet some of your best friends are trumps ha?

This is brilliant, it reads like an actual Trump sentence!! Ha!

Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (QTTaq)

460 The complete destruction of the building and damage to surrounding buildings. Other than that, not much.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at A




so? what happened? where do you think you get more of the art inside? water damage of fire? would you rather have your house burned or flooded?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (MTjB1)

461 423 If you replace everything, piece by piece, at what point does it stop being what it was?

But enough about Cher.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (oVJmc)

LOL!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (bcbK8)

462 Trump is an idiot and, like virtually all reality stars, offers his idiocy on multiple subjects for public consumption.
Posted by: Robbie
________________

An "idiot" billionaire who got himself elected president.

You should be that stupid.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (fqUgw)

463 They will have to be drowning in their own children's blood before they ask us openly for help.
---------

No.

Posted by: Rorschach at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (SkuXa)

464 If it did turn out to be a deliberate act by
muzzies, I'm not sure Macron would let that get out to the public. That
would enrage the French (the real ones), and he's already got more than
he can handle with the Yellow Vests.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:33 PM (fqUgw)

No, it won't. There's no "real French" left. Or "real europeans." There are only atheist SJW NPCs who will say that the cathedral deserved to burn because it was a symbol of christian oppression against muslims and part of the old cis-normal anti-LGBTXYZZZ religious patriarchy.BTW - I'm not kidding. Even a little bit.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (LPVCP)

465 One thing I do know for sure is that fire can't melt steel.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (GBteo)

466 456 The Titanic sank on the 15th too.

Solomon Grundy was born on a Monday

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (NWiLs)

467 But enough about Cher.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 03:44 PM (oVJmc)

Oh, Mr. Peebles, just when I think I don't have a laugh in me, there you are. Bless your heart, darlin.

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (14URa)

468 the closest thing i can think of is the burning of westminster in london in the 19th cent.

turner and others painted it.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (Pg+x7)

469 Ides are always a bad day.. Doesn't have to be March

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (O2RFr)

470 467 456 The Titanic sank on the 15th too.

Solomon Grundy was born on a Monday
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (NWiLs)

But he never could beat Batman

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (bcbK8)

471 Robbie? He's a progressive idiot, and like all progressive idiots, let's Trump live in his head rent free.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (37IEG)

472 There's a news nood

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (I2dne)

473 Nood.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (t6MX/)

474 How about Bat-gnat?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 03:50 PM (uYZSX)

475 Chicago's Holy Name Cathedral had an attic fire in 2009 - here are some items from news stories at the time:

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Crews were first called to Holy Name Cathedral, 735 N. State Street, around 5:30 a.m....

Flames were shooting from the roof when firefighters arrived quickly from the station down the street...

It didn't take long for the flames to grow feeding on the old, heavy timber in the roof. Tower ladder trucks poured the water on from outside, but without an inside attack the cathedral quite likely would have been lost.

To get at the fire from inside, firefighters had to run nearly 500 feet of hose through the front door, straight up a vertical ladder, through a three by three opening into an attic filled with smoke, and somehow make their way on narrow wooden planks.

"They had to crawl through so much - loose boards, a thirty foot drop to a ceiling 100 years old," said John Martinez, Chicago firefighter.

Early signs indicate the fire began in a space between the cathedral's decorative ceiling and the roof line, in an area just above, behind and to the side of the altar. The attic space is rich with timber trusses and beams that make perfect fuel for a fire. Flames quickly poked through the roof as water from fire department hoses poured into the building.

Some firefighters had only been on the job for just three days.

"We're well trained. We were trained very well," said Yonan Bitivin, Chicago Fire Dept. candidate...

----------------------------

I suppose if you fight fires in a city that was completely destroyed by fire, you just might take fighting fires seriously.

Posted by: Boots at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (e9omi)

476
Say what you want about 'em, Cubans know how to maintain a car.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 03:47 PM (bcbK


They really know how to flip em over and float on them all the way to Florida.

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (IXZGh)

477
would you rather have your house burned or flooded?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (MTjB1)

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Burned.

I dont carry flood insurance.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (8XRCm)

478 Does April even have Ides like March?

Posted by: Julius Caesar at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (84QUd)

479 so? what happened? where do you think you get more of the art inside? water damage of fire? would you rather have your house burned or flooded?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:48 PM (MTjB1)



The structure itself, at this point, is not completely destroyed. And you're ignoring the risk to surrounding buildings.

Look, I don't know if the response was correct. Hell the response is still ongoing. But no one else here knows if it was correct either.

Alright, I'm out. Gotta go pick up the kiddos. Stay safe Horde.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (9CkBG)

480 Why don't we get intelligent trolls?

Posted by: Brody at April 15, 2019 03:52 PM (4Eo4+)

481 Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?


The sluts at Notre Dame university who rebelled against the mother of four boys who wrote the letter suggesting that the women at the campus cathedral consider modesty over public wearing of yoga pants.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 15, 2019 03:52 PM (lD3vL)

482 ... westminster palace and the houses of parliament, i.e.

similar in regards to a major historical building in the center of a european city. outside of war.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:52 PM (Pg+x7)

483 But I'm willing to entertain the opposite view that there is something of the spirit that continues on even if parts change.

Case in point: USS Constitution. And God help anyone who tries to set fire to Old Ironsides.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 03:52 PM (pPNCa)

484 Electrical spark, grinding metal, welding, overloaded electric, mechanical machine malfunction, who knows?

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:53 PM (BbGew)

485 Winona Ryder is a whore who sucks dick for beer money.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2019 03:54 PM (gC2IV)

486 Just learned that one of the three women who tried to destroy the cathedral in 2016 was sentenced in French court today.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 03:54 PM (0tfLf)

487 An "idiot" billionaire who got himself elected president.

You should be that stupid.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 03:49 PM (fqUgw)


He outsmarted 17 GOP rivals, Hillarhoid, and routinely owns every Democrat, and sows dissension within the Democrat Party. Most recently, by musing about putting illegal aliens in "sanctuary" cities. Half of the Reds are enraged, the other half are trying to pretend that that would be OK, all the while hoping to God he doesn't actually do it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 03:57 PM (x3tTl)

488 That is one answer.
There IS a line, I think. Probably not at 50%, maybe at 25% original where the nature of the thing, or person, has changed.


It has been estimated that the entire human body's cells are replaced within a seven to ten year span.

So every ten years, you are a completely different person.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 15, 2019 03:57 PM (lD3vL)

489 Also today: Pulitzer Prize for the story about how Trump got rich through tax dodge and daddy's shell corporation. Same reason his sister retired early to avoid misconduct charges.

Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:57 PM (QTTaq)

490 358 Heard often prior to 4805AD

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 03:35 PM (uAgHA)


Woah.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (9CkBG)


He's gonna strip a gear on Ace's time machine.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2019 03:58 PM (xjiRE)

491 The complete destruction of the building and damage to surrounding buildings. Other than that, not much.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 15, 2019 03:46 PM (9CkBG)

Not necessarily. You know that firefighters occasionally get hit with these dumps.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:58 PM (rxtQa)

492 Jacque checks his maps...Paris to Mecca. Weather good. He is ready.

Presume he has pre-arranged his two fuel stops? Don't think they do tankers.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 04:00 PM (8ZmvG)

493 Officials just said firefighters are trying to save the towers in front, the rest is gone. Geez.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 04:00 PM (ZGrMX)

494 I've been crying. The organ was one of the most spectacular in the world -- I've been to several concerts there -- as were the bells and windows. Even the evil thugs of the French Revolution didn't do this much damage.

13th century craftsmanship is nearly impossible to replicate. It takes painstaking research and work by specialists.

This muslims have been threatening this great Glory to God to decades. The cause of this great destruction is obvious. Europe needs the new crusades right in their midst. Otherwise, the enemy within will have won.

Posted by: Cascadia at April 15, 2019 04:01 PM (Q4yvj)

495 Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) warned Monday that President Trump is endangering the life of one of their members,


If there was any truth to that, the accusations that they've made over the years would have created a body count that would make Game of Thrones look like a picnic.

Posted by: AoSHQ betting window at April 15, 2019 04:01 PM (NeSSd)

496 Burned.

I dont carry flood insurance.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (8XRCm)

I know it was just snark but : You would be covered for the resulting water damage . It would not be considered 'flooding' . Water damage that entered into a opening caused by a covered peril is covered under your homeowners policy,

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 04:02 PM (rxtQa)

497 487: A muslima of course

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 04:02 PM (U7k5w)

498 Halon has the unfortunate side effect of killing you if you are caught in it.

The building I worked in had the corporate data center upstairs with a Halon tank the size of a railroad car.

We were encouraged to exit as quickly as possible should a fire alarm go off.

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2019 04:02 PM (88+cf)

499 Also today: Pulitzer Prize for the story about how Trump got rich through tax dodge and daddy's shell corporation. Same reason his sister retired early to avoid misconduct charges.
Posted by: Robbie

Come suck my Pulitzer. If there was anything there, he would be under prosecution. The reason you're here is that you're a whiny bitch.

Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty at April 15, 2019 04:03 PM (NeSSd)

500 It would be quite a coincidence if that had nothing to do with Madani being sentenced the same day! Accidentally?

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 04:05 PM (U7k5w)

501 I belive the church is limestome. All of that is going to spall. The heat changes the limestone to calcium carbonate.

Even if it were granite, I doubt that would survive that hot of a fire.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:42 PM (8XRCm)

Limestone is calcium carbonate. Often very pure, in fact. It is mined for that purpose. It will spall in a hot fire, possibly from water of crystallization flashing to steam. And enough heat drives out CO2, leaving behind lime, CaO. And the resulting lime has no structural strength.

Posted by: zombie Robert Paxton McCullogh at April 15, 2019 04:07 PM (TfwlC)

502 Off, sock.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2019 04:08 PM (TfwlC)

503 Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 03:43 PM (QTTaq)

Your prolapse is leaving a slimy trail again.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2019 04:10 PM (TfwlC)

504 posted by Robbie

In your head.
Rent-free. 24/7.

Trump owns you.

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 15, 2019 04:11 PM (LL1Be)

505 @502 "Off, sock"?? That's it?
No, "Off, 'My Balls Must Match Exactly' sock"?
Not even a "Off, Injection is nice but I'd rather be blown sock"?

C'mon, man...

You didn't get a 'heh' on that so I'll presume no one here has been to
Lake Havasu City. People used to say he'd bought the wrong bridge.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 04:14 PM (8ZmvG)

506 359 Rebuilding fire damaged property is what I do for a living.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (8XRCm)

very cool

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 04:18 PM (C7rlo)

507 Notre Dame Cathedral. Some people did something.

Posted by: Onicisor 1183 at April 15, 2019 04:19 PM (I50Lz)

508 I checked, and other than floods throughout Europe, increasing terrorism, and a 27-year World War, Nostradamus didn't say shit about this.

I'm beginning to lose faith in him a little bit.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 04:22 PM (8ZmvG)

509 So, does anyone else feel like there's a metaphor alert with Notré Dame?

What with almost a millennia of multi-generational work emblematic of Western civilization burning down in a day.

Beloved wife points out also-- Notré Dame burning at the start of holy week? I'm CURIOUS how this is going to shake out. Any banlieues in the vicinity, one wonders? Purely out of my abiding love of French geography that I have just now remembered I have, you understand.

Still, nothing for it but to wait for the investigation. Should we find we know very little about how the fire started-- especially in regards to particulars of the who and why, if it WASN'T a simple construction-related fire, which in fairness it COULD be-- well, perhaps we will therefore know quite a lot.

Posted by: FlamethrowerInTheDark at April 15, 2019 04:23 PM (zlzYb)

510 As to the fire boats, they can't reach that high. Even big ships can pass through big bridges (e.gf. the Golden Gate) so the maximum height a fire boat must reach is limited.

Don't you remember the Deepwater Horizon? Now that was a fire. And the ships fighting it would never fit in the Seine. They are way too big.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA6Fx7ZEST0

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (EMi53)

511 All that France and the West represents had become an empty shell , so let the ruins of ND now represent that reality

Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (3GR94)

512 In 1572 the French killed every Protestant they could get their hands on.Until 1905, the persecution of Protestants was a matter of French law.

I think we need to keep a little perspective that in religious terms both pro and con, that it one screwed-up country that no one should want to emulate.

It is a shame that their beautiful church burned down. I'm down with that.

That's it for me.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (8ZmvG)

513 Does April even have Ides like March?
Posted by: Julius Caesar at April 15, 2019 03:51 PM (84QUd)

Yes, but it is on the 13th, not the 15th

Posted by: Oldcat at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (UxbT4)

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