The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

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According to the French police, 875 of France's 42,258 churches were vandalized in 2018. And who is being blamed? "Militant Secularism."

I didn't make that up!

Until last evening I was unaware that there was a powerful movement of secularists ready to do violence to combat the rampant spread of religion through France. Of course the pesky little fact that the number of religious Frenchmen is shrinking rapidly, and has been for years, is conveniently ignored, as is the fact that France is already a carefully secular country, where even marriages are separated into two distinct events...the civil and the religious.

Maybe there is a deep vein of hatred for organized religion in France. Anything is possible, except of course Islamic terrorists starting the fire! The immediate rush to claim that it was an accident, when the fire was still smoldering seems to me more of the same cowardly insistence that Islam is a "Religion of peace," and blaming Muslims for the terrorist acts committed by their coreligionists is Islamophobic and awful and oh so un-Western.

I sure would like to know what's up with this: a video of a man inside the cathedral after the fire had started. It's probably nothing, as most things are, but it is certainly worth investigating.

Do I think Notre Dame was torched? I have no idea, but in the current geopolitical climate, in which attacks on Western religious and cultural icons are an important part of the playbook of militant Islam, one would think that an investigation that does not include a priori assumptions is a good thing.

Below the fold is a map of the church's vandalized in France last year. It is breathtaking.

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1 I keep warning people about Zod, wait this was posted by CBD?

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:01 AM (HUFx8)

2 I sure would like to know what's up with this: a video of a man inside the cahtedral after the fire had started. It's probably nothing, as most things are, but it is certainly worth investigating.

It's nothing.

Posted by: Marinus Van Der Lubbe at April 16, 2019 11:01 AM (BmxiN)

3 1st two days in a row?

Posted by: engineer at April 16, 2019 11:02 AM (cBJIn)

4 It's happening here too, though you wouldn't know it to look at the news. Or "news," if you prefer.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:03 AM (RD7QR)

5 Top 10? Dang!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 11:04 AM (0tfLf)

6 As the leftovers said to the Reynolds Wrap, "Curses, foiled again."

Posted by: engineer at April 16, 2019 11:04 AM (cBJIn)

7 Called corgis before commenting. What do I win?

Posted by: mindful webworker - clix nix at yr own rix at April 16, 2019 11:04 AM (ElK6Q)

8 A lotta churches vandalized. What constitutes "vandalism"? Broken windows, paint or worse smeared on the walls, or outright torching?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 16, 2019 11:04 AM (elsTe)

9 Militant secularists. Right.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)

10 Militant secularists who like to deface churches with "Allah Akbar".

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2019 11:05 AM (W+vEI)

11 Hmm...

The Camp of the Saints?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:05 AM (6qErC)

12 A lotta churches vandalized. What constitutes
"vandalism"? Broken windows, paint or worse smeared on the walls, or
outright torching?


Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 16, 2019 11:04 AM (elsTe)


There was the beheading of a priest in Ruen. But it was a peaceful beheading.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 16, 2019 11:05 AM (ptqGC)

13 I cannot believe the government of France would be so stupid as to believe this is Militant Secularism. They may put that out for public consumption...politicians lie all the time, but they don't believe it. There is another agenda.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 11:05 AM (0tfLf)

14 >>Below the fold is a map of the church's vandalized in France last year. It is breathtaking.


How does that map compare to refugee populations in France?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2019 11:05 AM (W+vEI)

15 After much confusion, it appears the rose windows in ND are intact. Something to be thankful for.

Posted by: pep at April 16, 2019 11:05 AM (wW03z)

16 It the fire was deliberately set by a practitioner of the religion of peace, we'll never, ever hear about it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM (ptqGC)

17 Militant secularists who like to deface churches with "Allah Akbar"

Clearly "Trump inspired"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM (6qErC)

18 It's almost as if Europe has forgotten its History...

Posted by: garrett at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM (pCsgI)

19 They have to call it militant secularism, otherwise the truth is too uncomfortable.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM (w7KSn)

20 **pokes head in**

Morning, 'rons and 'ronettes. Wish I could stay, but I'm at the new job, where there's really no time for the Horde. Damn it.

BTW, I'm sure you all guessed Gorilla Pundit's couples picture as Cary Grant and Mae West. I simply note that it's a still from 1933s She Done Him Wrong, where Mae uttered the line, "Come up some time and see me."

http://tinyurl.com/yyonmkqt

Anyway, hope you all have a lovely day.

**heads out**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (BmxiN)

21 Funny how the French know already, before the fire even cools, that there is no terrorism suspected.
That's the official line, now and forever, amen.
Oh and Macron is going to rebuilt it in keeping with his modern, diverse nation. F.U.!

Posted by: pj at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (qlTN9)

22 Second look at the Crusades?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (ptqGC)

23 Do the colors on the map have significance?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (AB9tT)

24 There was the beheading of a priest in Ruen. But it was a peaceful beheading.

Until he yelled out, of course, disturbing the peace.

Posted by: t-bird at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (8ruUE)

25 The French Revolution got so many things wrong. If you fuck up the early requirements it just snowballs from there.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (2LelM)

26 13 I cannot believe the government of France would be so stupid as to believe this is Militant Secularism. They may put that out for public consumption...politicians lie all the time, but they don't believe it. There is another agenda.


My guess is that they fear the oft-referenced, and almost-never-seen anti-Muslim backlash. They may be right this time.

Posted by: pep at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (wW03z)

27 Note the concentration of vandalism in Paris. At least I think that's Paris.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (HUFx8)

28 I keep warning people about Zod,

No need to warn people about Zod. He seems like an intelligent, amusing man who likes to tweak religious people sometimes. I sincerely doubt he'd be torching churches . I hope he's o.k.; He hasn't been around for a while.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (FSPNP)

29 18 It's almost as if Europe has forgotten its History...
Posted by: garrett at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM (pCsgI)

Or given up on it. Hence the masses of hostile imports.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (RD7QR)

30 As I said yesterday, there could be video of a guy in a I Love ISIS tshirt starting the fire and Macron would still say it was an accident.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 16, 2019 11:08 AM (gC2IV)

31 Militant secularists, in turbans.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:08 AM (vDqXW)

32 I saw Militant Secularists open for Judas Priest at the Palladium in '82.

Posted by: DocJ at April 16, 2019 11:08 AM (NYS7S)

33 22 Second look at the Crusades?
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Jane, the first Crusade was the northern Franks aligning with the Catholic Church to crush the Cathars in southern France. The Cathars were the early prototype Protestants.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:08 AM (2LelM)

34 OT: One of Logan Paul's more recent podcast guest is Alex Jones and it is comedy gold!

Posted by: Augustine at April 16, 2019 11:09 AM (BDZWU)

35 Hmmmm...I wonder if Andorra has joined with Eastern Europe to keep migrants out?

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 11:09 AM (0tfLf)

36 Morning, 'rons and 'ronettes. Wish I could stay, but I'm at the new job, where there's really no time for the Horde. Damn it.



BTW, I'm sure you all guessed Gorilla Pundit's couples picture as
Cary Grant and Mae West. I simply note that it's a still from 1933s She Done Him Wrong, where Mae uttered the line, "Come up some time and see me."



http://tinyurl.com/yyonmkqt



Anyway, hope you all have a lovely day.



**heads out**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2019

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. . .

Missed ya, MPPPP!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 16, 2019 11:09 AM (elsTe)

37 20 **pokes head in**

Morning, 'rons and 'ronettes. Wish I could stay, but I'm at the new job, where there's really no time for the Horde. Damn it.

BTW, I'm sure you all guessed Gorilla Pundit's couples picture as Cary Grant and Mae West. I simply note that it's a still from 1933s She Done Him Wrong, where Mae uttered the line, "Come up some time and see me."

http://tinyurl.com/yyonmkqt

Anyway, hope you all have a lovely day.

**heads out**
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (BmxiN)

MP4! Here's hoping the job is an improvement!

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:09 AM (RD7QR)

38 The Crusades were lost when Christians overtook Jerusalem, then went home.

They abandoned their objective.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at April 16, 2019 11:09 AM (w7KSn)

39 A great many relics were saved, as was the altar. It's impossible to fully appreciate the effort needed to rescue so much of Notre Dame's majesty... and conversely, why that means its destruction was not malicious. A few rowdies could effortlessly do more damage to the Rose Windows than a multi hour blaze.

Still, considering the amount of hate pushed against churches in France, I don't think even a reasoned government investigation will stop people blaming Islam.

Posted by: trev006 at April 16, 2019 11:09 AM (6n54H)

40 How does that map compare to refugee populations in France?"

Aligns with no go zones.

If there were any.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:09 AM (6qErC)

41 Militant secularists, my ass!

Posted by: Pete Buttjudge at April 16, 2019 11:09 AM (vDqXW)

42 It's almost as if Europe has forgotten its History...






Posted by: garrett at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM

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They tend to do that every 50-75 years.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 16, 2019 11:10 AM (JUOKG)

43 Perhaps for every church damaged or destroyed, the same could be done to a mosque.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 16, 2019 11:10 AM (ptqGC)

44 The only reason I don't yet believe that the "religion of peace" is responsible for touching ND is that I haven't heard of any of its adherents proudly proclaiming the fact.

Posted by: Cosda at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (RzmYo)

45 Two excellent articles here on the meaning of the fire in a post-Christian world, and the possibility that it could spark some revival of European pride and dignity.

https://tinyurl.com/y3opwbqo
https://tinyurl.com/yygar73h

Posted by: pep at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (wW03z)

46 875? 1 year?

OK, that qualifies as a "pogrom," AFAIC.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (92+HZ)

47 It's almost as if Europe has forgotten its History...

Posted by: garrett at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM

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They tend to do that every 50-75 years.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 16, 2019 11:10 AM (JUOKG)

With, typically, explosive consequences.

Posted by: DocJ at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (NYS7S)

48 28 I keep warning people about Zod,

No need to warn people about Zod. He seems like an intelligent, amusing man who likes to tweak religious people sometimes. I sincerely doubt he'd be torching churches . I hope he's o.k.; He hasn't been around for a while.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM (FSPNP)

It was meant to be a humorous extension of the sarcasm in the OP.

I too am concerned about his absence.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (HUFx8)

49 It's almost as if Europe has forgotten its History...

Posted by: garrett at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM
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Progressivism has a questionable touch with reality. History is reality.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (vDqXW)

50 Apparently, the French say there are anti religionist like whatever the French version of Anti (Pro) Fa is, and also rabid feminists supposedly don't like the patriarchy of the RC or any Christian tradition, Of course it makes a lot of sense to torch a cathedral in honor of "Our Mother" Mary as a cheer for feminism/sarc and if they really want to go after Patriarachy I don't see the ultra feminist weenies going after Islam.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (FSPNP)

51 Vandalized, or converted to mosques? Same-o, same-o.

Faced with that choice, I would pick A.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (Z4rgH)

52 Jane, the first Crusade was the northern Franks aligning with the Catholic Church to crush the Cathars in southern France. The Cathars were the early prototype Protestants.
Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN




They failed because Jello salad had not yet been invented.

Posted by: pep at April 16, 2019 11:12 AM (wW03z)

53 first Crusade"

Was the taking of Jerusalem.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:12 AM (6qErC)

54 If you zoom in on the picture of the guy in the bell tower, you can't be certain that he is not wearing a MAGA hat.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 16, 2019 11:12 AM (dNzKv)

55 So our two choices are: Muslim terrorism, or the return of the Jacobins.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:12 AM (vDqXW)

56 This is too good to leave semi-willowed:

514 You probably joke, but that's actually accurate. I
believe in so exhausting a man sexually he doesn't have the energy or
need to stray.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:01 AM (nRWPy)

Great! Let's put dagny in charge of teaching all the women!

And give her a Medal of Freedom.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 16, 2019 11:03 AM (QLvwG)

I second this. Also, what about just the sheer enjoyment, instead of as grudging transaction or behavioral conditioning? We'd all be so much better off.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:13 AM (NWiLs)

57 52 Jane, the first Crusade was the northern Franks aligning with the Catholic Church to crush the Cathars in southern France. The Cathars were the early prototype Protestants.
Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN



They failed because Jello salad had not yet been invented.
Posted by: pep at April 16, 2019 11:12 AM (wW03z)

Kill all the hot dish, God will know his own!

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:13 AM (RD7QR)

58 They failed because Jello salad had not yet been invented.

Posted by: pep

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Nor the copper Jello molds.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 16, 2019 11:14 AM (+IAze)

59 55 So our two choices are: Muslim terrorism, or the return of the Jacobins.
Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:12 AM (vDqXW)

Both of whom share an affinity for removing peoples' heads from their shoulders.

Posted by: DocJ at April 16, 2019 11:14 AM (NYS7S)

60 This Paris cathedral is a common target:

A 41-year-old man appeared this Friday before the Court in Bobigny on charges of damaging the organ in the Basilica. The hearing has been postponed until May 10.

A dialogue of the deaf. "I don't know how I'm involved in this case," the defendant told the Bobigny court on Friday. Suspected of damaging two doors, several stained glass windows and the organ of the Basilica of Saint-Denis in March, this 41-year-old man is being brought to trial for an immediate appearance.

The 40-year-old was arrested on Thursday at the detention centre in Vincennes (Val-de-Marne), incriminated by his DNA found in the Basilica. A Pakistani national, he arrived in France two months ago and does not speak French. He has already been cautioned by the law twice for damaging property in February.


http://tinyurl.com/y4ahfg5e

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2019 11:14 AM (W+vEI)

61 And how many of that 875 were destroyed? If this was happening in the US, a much larger country, it would be considered a national crisis.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 16, 2019 11:14 AM (92+HZ)

62 James Murdoch, the scion of billionaire and Fox News founder Rupert Murdoch, gave the maximum possible donation to 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigiegs campaign.

I got no complaint with the old man, but these kids of his are shitbags

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:14 AM (bim/x)

63 It's almost as if Europe has forgotten its History...
Posted by: garrett at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM (pCsgI)

Or given up on it. Hence the masses of hostile imports.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:07 AM

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It's possible. A thought...
On the one hand, the immigrants are grand-children of those who remember the Great Ottoman Empire. A 600 year old Empire! These people grew up hearing stories about how great those days were.
But on the other, you have Europeans who are the children and grand-children of those who have seen their countries devastated by war.

How does that affect the national psyche?

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 11:15 AM (0tfLf)

64 this link is (youtube) Cavuto censoring Catholic League president Bill Donahue ... just cuts his mike ... says that topic can't be brought up until we get the video of some Islamist doing what they have done repeatedly. (I'm exaggerating a little).


Cavuto ... cucking for the Islamists ... at a time where that subject is appropriate. The symbolism of the fall of the (Christian soaked) West could not be more plain.

But Mark Stein also lamented about the rise of secularism in France ... fair maybe, but that is more about Macron/Merkel .... globalism, and their inviting jihadists in to form NoGoZones where Sharia forms a beachhead.


https://tinyurl.com/yxe2pw7y

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 11:15 AM (Cus5s)

65 62 James Murdoch, the scion of billionaire and Fox News founder Rupert Murdoch, gave the maximum possible donation to 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigiegs campaign.

I got no complaint with the old man, but these kids of his are shitbags
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:14 AM (bim/x)

So is Buttgig the Gay Joe Biden now?

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:15 AM (RD7QR)

66 militant secularists/

Posted by: vmom Superior Order of Ninjas at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (dm05u)

67 Since I was a kid, churches have always been targets fo vandalism. Mostly satanism dabbling bored teenagers. Does the map of church vandalism include piddly stuff like teenager grafitti?

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (CBrm4)

68 I still think it was an accident, but they were awfully quick to rule out foul play....There is no way that early that they could tell if it was arson or not. The only thing I can think of is that the workers told them where it started or something like that.

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (O2RFr)

69 I got no complaint with the old man, but these kids of his are shitbags
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:14 AM (bim/x)

It makes the Trump kids (and The Donald himself) even more remarkable in my opinion, that they are the kids of a first-generation uber-wealthy man and didn't turn into amoral shitbags like so, so many other rich people's brats.

Posted by: DocJ at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (NYS7S)

70 We have examined the evidence and we found no evidence of terrorism. Also, we found no evidence of a "cathedral."

Posted by: FBI at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (gC2IV)

71 62 James Murdoch, the scion of billionaire and Fox News founder Rupert Murdoch, gave the maximum possible donation to 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigiegs campaign.

I got no complaint with the old man, but these kids of his are shitbags

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:14 AM (bim/x)

That's life. Otherwise we'd be better off under a monarchy.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (HUFx8)

72 It could be secularists, though its difficult to separate the government's explanation from the religious underpinnings.

Then again, there is a possibility it was agnostics, we just don't know right now.

I refuse to believe it's atheists, though.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (YA914)

73 It's telling that our continental European support in Iraq and Afghanistan have been the smaller countries like Denmark, Poland, and the Czechs. Much like 1939-40, I'm not sure what the French want to really fight for anything. In the crowning irony, the Germans have decided the same thing.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (3RKQd)

74 Or given up on it."

Read "the young man's speech" from camp of the saints - chilling.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (6qErC)

75 >>and also rabid feminists supposedly don't like the patriarchy of the RC or any Christian tradition,

FEMEN
They are crazy, and they attack ALL religions, but they are more about attacking religious people, from what I've seen?

Things like punching an archbishop, crashing a Christmas service and then jumping on the pulpit and screaming, that sort of thing. They want you to look at their protest --- that's why they go topless.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2019 11:17 AM (W+vEI)

76 I cannot believe the government of France would be so stupid as to believe this is Militant Secularism. They may put that out for public consumption...politicians lie all the time, but they don't believe it. There is another agenda.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 11:05 AM (0tfLf)
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Fear. I think the agenda is outright terror. They have brought in an incompatible replacement population, and that incompatible replacement is attacking the host like a cancer. If they name it, they will have to do something about it, and that will be violent and disruptive for at least a generation.

If you're a politician or especially in state administration, this should be avoided. It is better to remain mute or provide some other - ANY other - option. It's fear and cowardice. They made a mistake and their sinecures at risk. So the discussed causes of the outcome will be discussed in an unrelated or only minor/tangentially related context.

It's cowardice, fear and probably some degree of hate for the normality they disrupted.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 16, 2019 11:17 AM (I2dne)

77 David Horowitz has a withering critique of Mayor Pete over on the FrontPage website.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (FSPNP)

78
I second this. Also, what about just the sheer enjoyment, instead of as grudging transaction or behavioral conditioning? We'd all be so much better off.
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:13 AM (NWiLs)


Well, sure, depending on whether it's maintenance sex or "romantic" sex. I don't think there should be a problem with either like there is nothing wrong with a gourmet meal or a quick snack so you don't get hungry. There's a place for both and both should be enjoyable. I'm well aware that many women think they're doing a guy a favor, which imho is not only stupid but destructive as well as self-defeating.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (nRWPy)

79 politicians lie all the time, but they don't believe it. There is another agenda.

So lets say that there is compelling, convicting evidence that a Muslim deliberately set the blaze.

Would the politicians pursue it, or would arson against one of the greatest Western icon not only go unpunished, but the lie of "accident" or "unknown" go down in history as the official record?

[I have no opinion on the actual cause]

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (lD3vL)

80 It's almost as if Europe has forgotten its History...

Posted by: garrett at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM (pCsgI)

Charles Martel to the white courtesy phone, Charles Martel to the white courtesy phone please...

Posted by: SturmToddler at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (8D42x)

81 It makes the Trump kids (and The Donald himself) even more remarkable in my opinion,


Dad made them work real jobs.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (dNzKv)

82 They failed because Jello salad had not yet been invented.
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You know Jello is made from horse's hoofs? So its just like paste. Like Dot's and Gummy Bears. Nasty stuff. You should eat meat.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (2LelM)

83 Second video at twitter link, appears that the 'robed' figure at the cathedral is a firefighter.

Posted by: FrodoB at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (oRLqr)

84 PA: Without Jerusalem, there is nothing to talk about

OK. Works for me. Hey palis, how has turning down every offer worked out for ya?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (bim/x)

85
That's life. Otherwise we'd be better off under a monarchy.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (HUFx

???
English?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:19 AM (bim/x)

86 Would the politicians pursue it, or would arson against one of the greatest Western icon not only go unpunished, but the lie of "accident" or "unknown" go down in history as the official record?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (lD3vL)

If it was arson, we'll know every bit as much about the arsonist and xer motives as we do about Stephen Paddock.

Posted by: DocJ at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (NYS7S)

87 The French gov. is the BIGGEST proponent of Militant Secularism. They've been means testing Catholic parishes and if the results don't meet the arbitrary requirements, the local historic chapel gets razed to the ground.

Posted by: kallisto at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (ZHnL2)

88 I still think it was an accident, but they were awfully quick to rule out foul play....There is no way that early that they could tell if it was arson or not. The only thing I can think of is that the workers told them where it started or something like that.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (O2RFr)

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I agree. But, that's the problem, isn't? We know if it's an accident they'll say "accident/cause indeterminate."

If it's arson, we know they'll say "accident/cause indeterminate."

It's like a Schrodinger's Box of Lies - once you're dishonest for so long, everything may as well be considered a lie, for what your word is worth.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (92+HZ)

89 Chocolate ice cream rampage! Well, actually a lack of chocolate ice cream rampage!

http://thesmokinggun.com/buster/food-assault/ice-cream-rage-702834

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (+y/Ru)

90 Second video at twitter link, appears that the 'robed' figure at the cathedral is a firefighter.
Posted by: FrodoB at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (oRLqr)
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With his fire-fighting turban, right?

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (vDqXW)

91 Listen to AOC's reasons for impeaching Trump. My gawd....dumber than dirt. Seriously, the founding fathers are on a rotisserie....

https://tinyurl.com/y5tdfnws

Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (cF8AT)

92 "Does the map of church vandalism include piddly stuff like teenager grafitti?"

an article I read yesterday, about 10 incidents last month, included desecration issues, some involving repositioning/breaking crucifixes to reposition a hand to the groin, etc, as well as an arson at Saint Sulpice in Paris.

I'm guessing the vulgar desecration could be along the lines of teenage/teenaged minds, but the arson at another major shrine in the city caught my eye

Posted by: barbarausa at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (W7IZQ)

93 85
That's life. Otherwise we'd be better off under a monarchy.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:16 AM (HUFx

???
English?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:19 AM (bim/x)

If offspring were good or bad depending on their parents being good or bad, we could have a continual line of good kings, as opposed to luck of the draw.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (HUFx8)

94 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (IXZGh)

95 Listen to AOC's reasons for impeaching Trump. My gawd....dumber than dirt. Seriously, the founding fathers are on a rotisserie....

https://tinyurl.com/y5tdfnws
Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (cF8AT)

She really is stupid. A perpetual college sophmore

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (bim/x)

96 Nothing to see here. Please disburse.

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (IXZGh)

97 >>It's cowardice, fear and probably some degree of hate for the normality they disrupted.


They are near civil war with the ongoing yellow vest protests. Islamist torching ND would make this much worse, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (W+vEI)

98 Jello is made from horse's hoofs"

Funny, but no. Hides, bones, and connective tissue.

Yum!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (6qErC)

99 91 Listen to AOC's reasons for impeaching Trump. My gawd....dumber than dirt. Seriously, the founding fathers are on a rotisserie....

https://tinyurl.com/y5tdfnws
Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (cF8AT)

At this point the only thing AOC provides is entertainment. Maybe a sex video at some point.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (RD7QR)

100 There i was, deep in the shit . . .

Posted by: Crusader Rabbit at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (QLvwG)

101 It's like a Schrodinger's Box of Lies - once you're dishonest for so long, everything may as well be considered a lie, for what your word is worth.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (92+HZ)
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That Schroedinger, he was one unstable cat!

Posted by: Zombie Sammy Davis Jr. at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (vDqXW)

102 If offspring were good or bad depending on their parents being good or bad, we could have a continual line of good kings, as opposed to luck of the draw.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (HUFx

And your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (bim/x)

103 Given the other circumstances, I'm not going to be convinced it's an accident unless they get some French construction worker on TV admitting he did something boneheaded.

And even then I will be skeptical. We know they've tried to burn it down in the past.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at April 16, 2019 11:22 AM (67XdO)

104 an example of how easy it is for construction incidents to start fires - I was a member of a church which had hired contractors to redo a ceiling in the sanctuary which had some mold and water damage. They were just about done, and in painting the ceiling after the repairs, they shoved rags up into the recessed can lighting, so the lights wouldn't get sprayed. A tag was taped onto the light switch saying "don't turn on" but the tag fell off, and someone walked in and turned the lights on just like normal. The painted rag up next to the light got hot and caught on fire, fell out of the can and fell right on top of an extremely expensive (and new) organ console, and burned it up. $300,000 loss (at least it was insured) because one guy forgot to take a rag out of a light and somebody else didn't know not to turn the lights on.

and that's just to point out that accidents happen in the most ridiculous ways.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 16, 2019 11:22 AM (Kpl3J)

105 Oooo la la!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 11:22 AM (+y/Ru)

106 Well, sure, depending on whether it's maintenance sex or "romantic" sex. I don't think there should be a problem with either like there is nothing wrong with a gourmet meal or a quick snack so you don't get hungry. There's a place for both and both should be enjoyable. I'm well aware that many women think they're doing a guy a favor, which imho is not only stupid but destructive as well as self-defeating.

Posted by: dagny

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Do the AoS rules allow us to elect dagny our beloved Queen?

Posted by: Tonypete at April 16, 2019 11:22 AM (+IAze)

107 Because no one has claimed responsibility, I'm inclined to think accident. But it was a bit disconcerting to hear Neil Cavuto shut down and then end a phone interview with someone on-site who pointed out the vandalism and torching of other French Churches. The rush to not rush to judgement is the new virtue signaling, it seems.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM (t41dG)

108 . A perpetual college sophmore"

Elementary schooler...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM (6qErC)

109 83 Second video at twitter link, appears that the 'robed' figure at the cathedral is a firefighter.

that's what xe *wants* you to think.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM (sGtp+)

110
And your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (bim/x)

That's life. Good parents often have bad offspring. No deeper meaning just english version of c'est la vie.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM (HUFx8)

111 They are near civil war with the ongoing yellow vest protests. Islamist torching ND would make this much worse, right?

Yes .. The "people" might actually come out of their stupor of Muslims taking over their Country, and do something.

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM (O2RFr)

112 "44
The only reason I don't yet believe that the "religion of peace" is
responsible for touching ND is that I haven't heard of any of its
adherents proudly proclaiming the fact.

Posted by: Cosda at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (RzmYo)"
They may not all agree that it's a good time to have done it.
There is certainly plenty of still and video imagery of muslims celebrating yesterday, however, including some at the scene.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM (67XdO)

113 I'm no fan of the Muj, but you'll have to do better than that video to convince me this was a torch job.

There was an unverified report that someone was in the cathedral when the fire started. But there hasn't been any follow up.

That said, I doubt we will ever know what caused it unless someone witnessed it or confesses to accidentally or purposely starting it.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM (VpIIl)

114 Speculation? Nope, not on my watch!

Posted by: Shep at April 16, 2019 11:24 AM (gC2IV)

115 There has been growing desecration of RCC's here in the states. For some unknown reason, knocking the head off a Virgin Mary statues is a popular move. The vandals have mommy issues.

Posted by: kallisto at April 16, 2019 11:24 AM (ZHnL2)

116 The rush to not rush to judgement is the new virtue signaling, it seems."

Agreed.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:24 AM (6qErC)

117
Yes .. The "people" might actually come out of their stupor of Muslims taking over their Country, and do something.
------------------
So pretend to resist until the Yanks show up, again?

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:24 AM (2LelM)

118 Listen to AOC's reasons for impeaching Trump.

"It's like he's mean and stuff."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 16, 2019 11:25 AM (3RKQd)

119 106 Well, sure, depending on whether it's maintenance sex or "romantic" sex. I don't think there should be a problem with either like there is nothing wrong with a gourmet meal or a quick snack so you don't get hungry. There's a place for both and both should be enjoyable. I'm well aware that many women think they're doing a guy a favor, which imho is not only stupid but destructive as well as self-defeating.

Posted by: dagny

-----

Do the AoS rules allow us to elect dagny our beloved Queen?

Posted by: Tonypete at April 16, 2019 11:22 AM (+IAze)

Technically Alex is queen. dagny can be co-queen. Queen consort. Royal concubine?

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:25 AM (RD7QR)

120 Yes .. The "people" might actually come out of their stupor of Muslims taking over their Country, and do something.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM (O2RFr)
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Yes, once we are aware of the enemy, we have somesing to surrender to!

Posted by: Ze French at April 16, 2019 11:25 AM (vDqXW)

121 They are near civil war with the ongoing yellow vest protests. Islamist torching ND would make this much worse, right?

Yes .. The "people" might actually come out of their stupor of Muslims taking over their Country, and do something.


Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM


******

The scales are near the tipping point and the country will need to make a decision.

We have the same issue. Instead of seeing 200 Antifa thugs in your city, now you have 2,000. r more.
When do you stand up and say Enough!?

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 11:25 AM (0tfLf)

122 Posted by: Tonypete at April 16, 2019 11:22 AM (+IAze)

Having a Queen and an Empress (AtC) at the same time sounds like something that might not be a recipe for success unless they both agree.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:25 AM (FSPNP)

123 Listen to AOC's reasons for impeaching Trump.

"It's like he's mean and stuff."
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 16, 2019 11:25 AM (3RKQd)

Did she really say that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:26 AM (bim/x)

124 Posted by: Ze French"

Plant more trees. We need the shade...


/

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:26 AM (6qErC)

125 "why that means its destruction was not malicious. A few rowdies could
effortlessly do more damage to the Rose Windows than a multi hour blaze" trev


well there is a history of Islamists trying to burn churches, so your concept is no proof at all, of absence of malice. they want to take down the whole thing.


Did they save the Rose windows? I don't think so.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 11:26 AM (Cus5s)

126 The only reason I don't yet believe that the "religion of peace" is
responsible for touching ND is that I haven't heard of any of its
adherents proudly proclaiming the fact.

Posted by: Cosda at April 16, 2019 11:11 AM (RzmYo)"
They may not all agree that it's a good time to have done it.
There is certainly plenty of still and video imagery of muslims celebrating yesterday, however, including some at the scene.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at April 16, 2019 11:23 AM (67XdO)
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That's bad enough. If I did it, I wouldn't take credit for it even if I normally would. There is a chance - even as sissified and internationalist and pinko as the French are - that French might just decide to use the actual army they have to do something about it. I also probably wouldn't take credit for it if I *didn't* do it. If this was terrorism (and "accident" does seem more likely), it was bad enough that even the frogs might consider it an act of war.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 16, 2019 11:26 AM (I2dne)

127 Speculation? Nope, not on my watch!
Posted by: Shep at April 16, 2019 11:24 AM (gC2IV)


But speculation is GREAT!!! It can show what is POSSIBLE!!!!!

Posted by: Tater Salad at April 16, 2019 11:26 AM (IXZGh)

128 Again, Tiger didn't just cheat on his wife in the normal sense. He hired prostitutes, picked up waitresses and brought them back to his house , had his entourage arrange his 'dates' and cover for him, flew his mistresses to various tournaments and continued to do it even after being caught and given a second chance by his wife. He only stopped because of the last incident that caused it to become public.

If you ever read the text messages that were released by a couple of the women, you would see Tiger is a weird freak. Not just a cheater.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:26 AM (rxtQa)

129 "It's like he's mean and stuff."
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 16, 2019 11:25 AM (3RKQd)

Did she really say that?

Pretty much

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 11:26 AM (O2RFr)

130 I'll believe it's arson due to one of the 'musselmen'
(as they were known when it was built)
until PROVEN otherwise.

I literally felt sick when I heard yesterday.

Posted by: retropox at April 16, 2019 11:27 AM (tNgix)

131 115 There has been growing desecration of RCC's here in the states. For some unknown reason, knocking the head off a Virgin Mary statues is a popular move. The vandals have mommy issues.
Posted by: kallisto at April 16, 2019 11:24 AM (ZHnL2)

To be fair, mommy might have been a total bitch. Doesn't justify vandalism though.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:27 AM (NWiLs)

132 Posted by: Ze French"



Plant more trees. We need the shade...





/

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:26 AM (6qErC)


We need ze trees, too, eh?

Posted by: French Dogs at April 16, 2019 11:27 AM (QLvwG)

133 A MUMR sighting. Truly it is the end of days.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:27 AM (RD7QR)

134 Did they save the Rose windows? I don't think so.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 11:26 AM (Cus5s)

I've seen a report this morning which says that they *were* saved, which is amazing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 16, 2019 11:28 AM (Kpl3J)

135 The only militant secularists are leftists. Secularists who are not leftists tend to have a live-and-let-live attitude.

So the French government is blaming the church attacks on the Left? Srsly?

Posted by: rickl at April 16, 2019 11:28 AM (xjiRE)

136 Did they save the Rose windows? I don't think so.

Posted by: illiniwek


I'm seeing reports that, miraculously, they did!

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (AM1GF)

137 The growing attempt of many French politicians to frame Notre Dame as a "heritage" or "cultural" treasure instead of a religious icon or House of God, should tell you all you need to know about the state of the church in France. Parishioners are dropping and more people are identifying as atheist or non denominational.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (VpIIl)

138 The whole purpose of importing an unassimilable populace is to protect the status quo. That's exactly what the Dems are up to. Same deal in France. Go Go Gillet Jeanes. Leftist truly fear change.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (2LelM)

139 What's the past tense of "France"?

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (RuIsu)

140 French gov hates everything Catholic, especiallo LFN that has a strong RCC component.

Posted by: kallisto at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (ZHnL2)

141 139 The only militant secularists are leftists. Secularists who are not leftists tend to have a live-and-let-live attitude.

So the French government is blaming the church attacks on the Left? Srsly?
Posted by: rickl at April 16, 2019 11:28 AM (xjiRE)

Much safer to arrest a random Antifa soiboi than an actual Muslim. Much, much less chance for backlash.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (RD7QR)

142 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 16, 2019 11:17 AM (I2dne)

The sad fact is that terrorism DOES work.

Our media and Governments have been afraid of Islam for a generation.

And the real tragedy is that our own Left, has seen it work, and is now using Terror tactics against the RIGHT to shut us up.

And its working, sort of.

What they don't realize is that eventually we will react, and it will not be pretty.

Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (NgKpN)

143 @125 -- yep, all three rose windows were saved, as were the bell towers, though most of the other stained glass is destroyed or damaged. I think that's more a matter of luck and being on the outside of the fire, since most of the damage was in the center.

Posted by: sunny-dee at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (QAOZh)

144 I just wanted to chime in: So far, nothing has exonerated Trump of causing this fire.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (vDqXW)

145 James Murdoch, the scion of billionaire and Fox News founder Rupert
Murdoch, gave the maximum possible donation to 2020 Democratic
presidential candidate Pete Buttigiegs campaign.


Helps to explain why Shep! is so full of himself and feels free to tell a French official to shut up on air.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (ptqGC)

146 Btw, anyone catch the dim proposing a "department of peace" and a "department of children"?

Time to point and laugh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (6qErC)

147 People aren't at war with the Church, they're at war with Western Civilization.

Literally the only thing standing in the way of global communism is western civilization and its product. Any symbol of western civ is vunerable from the world trade centers to Notre Dame. If it came or comes from the confluence of Roman Civilization, Germanic tribal civilization, and Christianity it offends these little commies, whether they're islamists or some other version of socialist scum.

Gothic architecture, an outgrowth of Romanesque, which in turn was a convergence of Germanic, Roman and Byzantine (Greek/Persian) influences particularly embodies western civ.

Notre Dame was literally built when the king was "the king of the Franks" not "France." It was built at a time when the monarchy was attempting to reassert itself over the nobles and highly divided post-Charlemagne era of petty princes, no money, little trade, invasions from muslims, slavs, Magyars and Vikings.

The great European cathedrals are literally symbols of Western Civilization (Rome + Christianity) over chaos.


Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (nRWPy)

148 143 What's the past tense of "France"?
Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (RuIsu)

Caliphate.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (RD7QR)

149 What's the past tense of "France"?

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM


*****

Excellent.
I'm using this today!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (0tfLf)

150 "attacks on Western religious and cultural icons are an important part of the playbook of militant Islam"

While this is accurate inasmuch as what is true of the superset remains true of the subset, it could read:
"attacks on counter-narrative landmarks are an important part of the playbook for authoritarians"

Islamists destroy far more than Christian monuments, and more broadly our own country contains tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, who would destroy every piece of history that does not align with this hour's fashionable opinion.

In some ways, the crumbling of buildings is merely symbolic but of little cultural consequence. The understanding of everything the buildings meant, good and bad, was lost before the buildings themselves.

Posted by: Quick Maffs at April 16, 2019 11:31 AM (wx6iv)

151 What's the past tense of "France"?
Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (RuIsu)
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Franced.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:31 AM (vDqXW)

152 -
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THAT SMELL IS THE SMELL OF DESTINY


Posted by: mumr at April 16, 2019 11:27 AM

----------------------------------

That's gonna happen when she works the glory hole shift right before yours.

Posted by: irright at April 16, 2019 11:31 AM (pMGkg)

153
Considering the way that the secularists in the French Revolution slaughtered clergy and razed churches, I can definitely see that their cultural and political descendents would love to see Notre Dame burned to the ground. But I don't see them having the balls to actually go through with it, and if they did, they'd never admit it.

The mohammedans, on the other hand... totally plausible. Especially with the Frog authorities ruling out arson before the ashes have cooled.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 16, 2019 11:31 AM (veoSD)

154 141 The growing attempt of many French politicians to frame Notre Dame as a "heritage" or "cultural" treasure instead of a religious icon or House of God, should tell you all you need to know about the state of the church in France. Parishioners are dropping and more people are identifying as atheist or non denominational.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (VpIIl)

And for a very simple reason. People will not join a suicidal club.

If Christianity won't fight for itself? Why be a member.

Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 11:31 AM (NgKpN)

155 91 Listen to AOC's reasons for impeaching Trump. My gawd....dumber than dirt. Seriously, the founding fathers are on a rotisserie....

https://tinyurl.com/y5tdfnws
Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 11:20 AM (cF8AT)

There's just, like, so much, I can't even!

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:32 AM (NWiLs)

156 132 115 There has been growing desecration of RCC's here in the states. For some unknown reason, knocking the head off a Virgin Mary statues is a popular move. The vandals have mommy issues.
Posted by: kallisto at April 16, 2019 11:24 AM (ZHnL2)

To be fair, mommy might have been a total bitch. Doesn't justify vandalism though."

The Smashing of Statues is been a feature of Islam from the very beginning - Graven Images are thought to be Evil. It was a reflection of the Iconoclast (image-breaking) movement that swept through civilization in the 6th and 7th centuries. Whenever you see ancient statues that have been defaced or smashed in the middle east or eqypt, it's always the muzzies who have done it somewhere along the way.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 16, 2019 11:32 AM (Kpl3J)

157 132. so go home and punch mommy then. Leave someone else's property alone.

Posted by: kallisto at April 16, 2019 11:32 AM (ZHnL2)

158 If Christianity won't fight for itself? Why be a member.

Sad, but true

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 11:32 AM (O2RFr)

159 With militant Islamists torching and destroying anything which they see as infidel made/related/owned. Car-B-Q anyone. With the left leaning authorities of the West always covering up the radical's destruction and crime.

How can any report that doesn't find either militant Islamists or militant leftist/secularists to have torched Notre Dame to be believed? They will demand that it is publicly believed but that will just make the situation worse.

Taqiyya and leftist lies have consequences in the end.

Posted by: geoffb at April 16, 2019 11:32 AM (zOpu5)

160 The growing attempt of many French politicians to frame Notre Dame as a "heritage" or "cultural" treasure instead of a religious icon or House of God, should tell you all you need to know about the state of the church in France. Parishioners are dropping and more people are identifying as atheist or non denominational.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (VpIIl)
++++++++++
There are times, unironically and with no snark, that you can embrace the power of and. This is one of those times.

Notre Dame is a cathedral. It is a church and a seat of Church power. It is profoundly non-secular and moreover is incredibly religious. It is also a site of tremendous national heritage and cultural value just by virtue of being French. I think that it is both. As a Jew, for example, it is not my church. As a product of European civilization, however, I found the fire to be heart-wrenching. Things like giant medieval cathedrals fill both roles.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 16, 2019 11:32 AM (I2dne)

161 France has been on the verge of Communism since communism was created. It used to embrace the title but now a lot of the 'communists' have hidden behind other socialist parties. Just like here.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:33 AM (rxtQa)

162 Literally the only thing standing in the way of global communism is western civilization and its product.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (nRWPy)
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And by "Western Civilization" you mean Christianity.

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:33 AM (vDqXW)

163
Someone please spelunk my lonely man cave

You've got spelunk. I HATE spelunk!

Posted by: Lou Grant at April 16, 2019 11:33 AM (aKsyK)

164 What's the past tense of "France"?
Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (RuIsu)

______

Franced

Posted by: Phil Hartmark F/K/A Truck Monkey at April 16, 2019 11:33 AM (flINI)

165 "James Murdoch, the scion of billionaire and Fox News founder Rupert

Murdoch, gave the maximum possible donation to 2020 Democratic

presidential candidate Pete Buttigiegs campaign."

One reason Murdoch hated Roger AiIes was an incident where, eJames Murdoch appeared on the security camera and Ailes reportedly said to the people around him, "tell me that mouth hasn't seen a few dicks".


The next generation of Murdochs is slowly killing Foxnews. They are literally screwing the pooch in the squeakhole.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:33 AM (VpIIl)

166 How does that map compare to refugee populations in France?

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Well, there's vandalism all over France and there's "refugees" all over France.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 11:34 AM (+y/Ru)

167 162 If Christianity won't fight for itself? Why be a member.

Sad, but true
Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 11:32 AM (O2RFr)

Worse, large sub sets of Christianity now teach you are not even supposed to fight for YOURSELF.

Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 11:34 AM (NgKpN)

168 Btw, anyone catch the dim proposing a "department of peace" and a "department of children"?

And they would do things for peace and children.

You know what's good for peace and children? A 600-ship navy, 20 combat divisions, and 800 F-22s.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 16, 2019 11:34 AM (3RKQd)

169 This tweet has the "imam??" video openly playing on a loop for several times that needs a bit of work to see at the link...

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/
1118126117850951681

Posted by: andycanuck at April 16, 2019 11:34 AM (Dh1wo)

170 152 143 What's the past tense of "France"?
Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (RuIsu)

Caliphate.
Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (RD7QR)

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Golf clap

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 16, 2019 11:34 AM (gC2IV)

171 Well back from the endodontist. I went the "repair" route for my infected tooth from a previous root canal. This guy is extremely good. Found an untreated canal and fixed it, packed the tooth with antibiotics and will put a permanent filling on the crown in two weeks. Bonus for being able to save the crown.


He used a microscope to do the procedure and said it is very common for him to find stuff other dentist miss because of that. The previous dentist didn't use anything but his eyes to do the first procedure.


That tooth is up to $4,000 now.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 16, 2019 11:34 AM (JUOKG)

172 I do not want to see America Franced.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:35 AM (vDqXW)

173 158 141 The growing attempt of many French politicians to frame Notre Dame as a "heritage" or "cultural" treasure instead of a religious icon or House of God, should tell you all you need to know about the state of the church in France. Parishioners are dropping and more people are identifying as atheist or non denominational.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (VpIIl)

And for a very simple reason. People will not join a suicidal club.

If Christianity won't fight for itself? Why be a member.
Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 11:31 AM (NgKpN)

It seems as the church has become increasingly pussified and striving to be hip and modern and shit, it's become weaker, less relevant, and less attractive than ever.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:35 AM (NWiLs)

174 OT: One of Logan Paul's more recent podcast guest is Alex Jones and it is comedy gold!

Posted by: Augustine at April 16, 2019 11:09 AM (BDZWU)


I'll take "two people the world would be better off without" for $600, Alex.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2019 11:35 AM (a2xio)

175 Think about it. People living in and around historic landmarks will see them as everyday things one sees on the way to work or on the way to the grocery store. You stop thinking about it after awhile. I fell into the same thing when I lived in Germany. The remnants of King Barbarossa's castle was in the center of downtown Kaiserslautern. After awhile, it was just part of downtown.

Posted by: Sooner at April 16, 2019 11:35 AM (Fs5vw)

176 Disenfrancized?

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (RuIsu)

177 Btw, anyone catch the dim proposing a "department of peace"

-------

Yeah - it was me. Over and over again.

Posted by: Dennis Kucinich at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (92+HZ)

178 It was built at a time when the monarchy was attempting to reassert itself over the nobles and highly divided post-Charlemagne era of petty princes, no money, little trade, invasions from muslims, slavs, Magyars and Vikings. "

You left off bushwhackers, hornswogglers, and Methodists.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (Kpl3J)

179 When Christianity gets over its belief in the Woman with a Beard it might make a comeback.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (2LelM)

180 What's the past tense of "France"?

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (RuIsu)



Caliphate.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (RD7QR)



Francen't

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (a2xio)

181 If Christianity won't fight for itself? Why be a member.

Sad, but true

-
So it like the GOPe.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (+y/Ru)

182 Do the colors on the map have significance?

Hard to say, there's no legend to the map or a pointer.

I'm assuming the red dots are really bad news and green untouched. Purple and the rest, who knows?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (7s3Gx)

183
I just wanted to chime in: So far, nothing has exonerated Trump of causing this fire.


Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:30 AM (vDqXW)


He didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the worlds been turning.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 16, 2019 11:37 AM (TAmPV)

184 Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (2LelM)

Woman with a beard?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:37 AM (FSPNP)

185 182 It was built at a time when the monarchy was attempting to reassert itself over the nobles and highly divided post-Charlemagne era of petty princes, no money, little trade, invasions from muslims, slavs, Magyars and Vikings. "

You left off bushwhackers, hornswogglers, and Methodists.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (Kpl3J)

Mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits...

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:37 AM (NWiLs)

186 Past tense of France: Frunce.

France with the one that Frunce yuh.

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 16, 2019 11:37 AM (aBR7R)

187 This fire started because of Trump's dangerous rhetoric!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (xfb67)

188 "Religion of Peace"
They actually do believe that they are a "Religion of Peace". What they won't tell you is that they also believe that there will only be peace after everyone else has been killed or converted.

Posted by: Bert G at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (tOP4K)

189 188 Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (2LelM)

Woman with a beard?
------------------------
The effeminate Jesus.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (2LelM)

190 I have to dissent from the majority here.
"Militant secularism," as Macron so sweetly (and deceitfully) terms it, is the CHIEF enemy of Christianity in the West.
Or rather, the Left is. Muslims are just a tool.

(If the Left didn't hate Christianity so much, they probably wouldn't put out a welcome mat for rabid Muslims in the first place.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (Rxduq)

191 185 If Christianity won't fight for itself? Why be a member.

Sad, but true

-
So it like the GOPe.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (+y/Ru)

They've gotten the same idea in their heads: if we smile and comply maybe they'll leave us alone. Neither of them are right.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (RD7QR)

192 Wanna France?

Posted by: Mayor Pete Buttedge at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (vDqXW)

193
188 Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (2LelM)

Woman with a beard?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:37 AM (FSPNP)

Trannies I think.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (HUFx8)

194 "Hard to say, there's no legend to the map or a pointer.

I'm assuming the red dots are really bad news and green untouched. Purple and the rest, who knows?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (7s3Gx)"

The legend of the map is that if you hold it up to candlelight in a place of great religious significance on the 25th day of the holiest month when the stars are in alignment, it shows you the path to the long sought relic of Charlemagne's last baguette.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:39 AM (oZ6kz)

195 Fransomalia?

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:39 AM (RuIsu)

196
The legend of the map is that if you hold it up to candlelight in a place of great religious significance on the 25th day of the holiest month when the stars are in alignment, it shows you the path to the long sought relic of Charlemagne's last baguette.
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:39 AM (oZ6kz)

You gotta put lemon juice on it first.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:39 AM (NWiLs)

197 Whenever you see ancient statues that have been defaced or smashed in the middle east or eqypt, it's always the muzzies who have done it somewhere along the way.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 16, 2019 11:32 AM (Kpl3J)

True, but the protestants did a lot of damage too, elsewhere. The iconoclastism reoccurs regularly. My own catholic church was so filled with leftist scum, it had 0 images for a while. i think there was one ahistorical touchdown Jesus but nothing else. These "catholics" literally built the place like iconoclasts themselves and their reasoning was highly "humanistic." It was really a monument to their leftist selves. They ran around saying "We are Church" while raising money for the Sandinistas. The place has been put to rights, but not without a battle.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (nRWPy)

198 198 "Hard to say, there's no legend to the map or a pointer.

I'm assuming the red dots are really bad news and green untouched. Purple and the rest, who knows?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 16, 2019 11:36 AM (7s3Gx)"

The legend of the map is that if you hold it up to candlelight in a place of great religious significance on the 25th day of the holiest month when the stars are in alignment, it shows you the path to the long sought relic of Charlemagne's last baguette.
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:39 AM (oZ6kz)

That sucker's gonna need LOTS of butter.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (RD7QR)

199 What did Sardinia do to get torched like that?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (uYZSX)

200 I have to dissent from the majority here.
"Militant secularism," as Macron so sweetly (and deceitfully) terms it, is the CHIEF enemy of Christianity in the West.
Or rather, the Left is. Muslims are just a tool.

(If the Left didn't hate Christianity so much, they probably wouldn't put out a welcome mat for rabid Muslims in the first place.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (Rxduq)
++++++++++
"Militant Secularism" is another of many synonyms for "left-wing authoritarianism." Anything that disrupts the social and civil fabric is a-okay by those types, by whatever means necessary.

I think they will regret teaming up with the Islamists, though. Yes, they share a common enemy - but the Islamists will take out their enablers with relative ease.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (I2dne)

201 The legend of the map is that if you hold it up to candlelight in a place of great religious significance on the 25th day of the holiest month when the stars are in alignment, it shows you the path to the long sought relic of Charlemagne's last baguette.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:39 AM (oZ6kz)
---
Go on...

Posted by: Writers of National Treasure III: International Treasure at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (vDqXW)

202 These are not parishioners the cops are chasing out of the Basilica of Saint-Denis.

https://tinyurl.com/y3po6ngg

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (F3TDN)

203

I see London
I see France
I see folks without a chance

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (aKsyK)

204 So how soon until Christianity gets Victimhood status?

Anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (KUaJL)

205 The legend of the map is that if you hold it up to candlelight in a place of great religious significance on the 25th day of the holiest month when the stars are in alignment, it shows you the path to the long sought relic of Charlemagne's last baguette.
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:39 AM (oZ6kz)

You gotta put lemon juice on it first.



And, of course, place it on a staff of the right height.

Posted by: pep at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (wW03z)

206 "If Christianity won't fight for itself? Why be a member.

Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 11:31 AM (NgKpN)
"

Because the church is bigger then the men who form it's leadership.

I'm not willing to sacrifice my love for Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior for anyone. That includes the Muslim anti Christs or others who have either lost their way, or intentionally seek the destruction of Christ.

The church of Jesus Christ is ultimately formed and lives in our hearts, not a cathedral or an organization run by flawed men.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (VpIIl)

207 Past tense of France: Francain't

Posted by: Archer at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (gmo/4)

208 #173 There are other replies to the tweet saying it's a workman in white safety helmet and a yellow hi-vis coat but here's one photo version of it.

https://twitter.com/MrKashUK/status/
1118172669030039557

I don't know why he looks all white in the video, except the momentary flash of yellow, and why it looks properly all-yellow in the photo.

I also don't know why they'd be wearing hi-vis clothing that hangs to the knees or below.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (Dh1wo)

209 I have to dissent from the majority here.
"Militant secularism," as Macron so sweetly (and deceitfully) terms it, is the CHIEF enemy of Christianity in the West.
Or rather, the Left is. Muslims are just a tool.

(If the Left didn't hate Christianity so much, they probably wouldn't put out a welcome mat for rabid Muslims in the first place.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (Rxduq)
---
I think you are right. But a weapon is a tool too.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (vDqXW)

210 It the fire was deliberately set by a practitioner of the religion of peace, we'll never, ever hear about it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM (ptqGC)

Oh, we will hear about it. But not from the Quisling Media.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (TfwlC)

211
Random Flashback: Remember back during obama's shitty fake "recovery" Standard And Poor downgraded obama's shitty Bond Rating and obama and the little monkey-faced woman (jarrett) THREATENED Standard And Poor's and all the rest of the bond rating agencies?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (xUcs1)

212 The legend of the map is that if you hold it up to candlelight in a place of great religious significance on the 25th day of the holiest month when the stars are in alignment, it shows you the path to the long sought relic of Charlemagne's last baguette.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:39 AM (oZ6kz)
+++++++++
I do not appreciate you posting spoilers to my work-in-progress book.

Posted by: Dan Brown at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (I2dne)

213 Department of Peace = Religion of Peace

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (+y/Ru)

214 Just so people can see it, I'm gonna link this excellent architectural cutaway of the construction of Notre Dame so you can see how much wood was involved in the roof

http://tinyurl.com/y684x4sv

Plus there's all the interior wood, most of which seems to have survived other than water damage.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (39g3+)

215 208 So how soon until Christianity gets Victimhood status?

Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (KUaJL)

Never. Read the book. In the end, we win it all.

Posted by: Roy at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (CjAT1)

216
At this point the only thing AOC provides is entertainment. Maybe a sex video at some point.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:21 AM (RD7QR)







You KNOW she has a sex video or five. She used to be a bartender. It's just a matter of time before it comes out.

If she survives the next election I can see her trying to usurp Pelosi's job as Speaker or Majority Leader. If you think Pelosi wouldn't stoop so low as to release an AOC sex tape in her own defense...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (veoSD)

217 Worse, large sub sets of Christianity now teach you are not even supposed to fight for YOURSELF.
Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 11:34 AM (NgKpN)

Those teachings are heresy, and do not compute with a with the same person who advised his followers to sell their cloaks and buy swords, knowing that persecution would be in their future, shortly before his capture.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (J+mig)

218 Macron wants to rebuild the church as a multiple use platform. Muslims would be welcome to pray just like the Catholics. JMHO

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at April 16, 2019 11:42 AM (P4Pk9)

219 206 These are not parishioners the cops are chasing out of the Basilica of Saint-Denis.

https://tinyurl.com/y3po6ngg
Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (F3TDN)

Fucking ghouls. The gendarmes should have given them a hardwood shampoo.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:42 AM (RD7QR)

220 After awhile, it was just part of downtown."

Like the WTC...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:42 AM (6qErC)

221 So how soon until Christianity gets Victimhood status?

Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (KUaJL)
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That ignores the point.

Posted by: Satan at April 16, 2019 11:42 AM (vDqXW)

222 Hollywood attempting to feminize Christianity with the new movie Mary Magdalene . At least that's their stated attempt.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:42 AM (rxtQa)

223 I don't necessarily find militant secularism to be implausible as a serious part of the explanation for church damage in France. Anti-church and clerical sentiment has hardly been a stranger to French history. And Western Europe's populace has become significantly less Christian over time even without including Muslim immigrants). In the 1990s, Norway had dozens and dozens of church arson incidents, apparently perpetrated by neo-pagan metalheads. I'd want to see the evidence before blaming immigrants for all of France's church damage.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 16, 2019 11:42 AM (ppBhU)

224 Yeah but an AOC sex tape would probably help her, assuming it was taken when she still looked like she did in that goofy Breakfast Club video.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:42 AM (oZ6kz)

225 >>James Murdoch, the scion of billionaire and Fox News founder Rupert Murdoch, gave the maximum possible donation to 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigiegs campaign.




IIRC, the other Murdoch son's wife works for a Clinton Foundation org for climate change.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2019 11:43 AM (W+vEI)

226 And, of course, place it on a staff of the right height.

One that is significantly longer than described by the old wise man

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 11:43 AM (39g3+)

227 Plus there's all the interior wood, most of which seems to have survived other than water damage.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor



That's because it's made of witches.

Posted by: pep at April 16, 2019 11:43 AM (wW03z)

228 That's a 5th C level of church desecration.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (VaN/j)

229 The legend of the map is that if you hold it up to candlelight in a place of great religious significance on the 25th day of the holiest month when the stars are in alignment, it shows you the path to the long sought relic of Charlemagne's last baguette.

-
The Last Petit Dejeuner.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (+y/Ru)

230 The arsonist that torched the Notre Dame is...

... the orangutan from Murders in the Rue Morgue who was wearing a yellow vest. He was mad because some art critic dissed his painting of the whale.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (uYZSX)

231 You all act like you wouldn't watch National Treasure III, screenplay by Dan Brown.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (oZ6kz)

232 That's because it's made of witches"

It floats?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (6qErC)

233 208 So how soon until Christianity gets Victimhood status?

Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (KUaJL)


We Christians have Oppressor status.

Posted by: Emmie at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (4HMW8)

234 I saw Charlemagne's Last Baguette open for Bowling for Soup at the Jacksonville Amphitheater in '98. They mopped up.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (NWiLs)

235 Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (HUFx

Jesus wasn't a tranny.

He can also not be locked into some ultra macho-let's knock off all the heads of everybody who looks at us cross eyed-view, nor some effeminate version of gentle Jesus meek and mild. He was a unique individual who both threw over the tables in the Temple and compared himself to a mother hen who wanted to gather the people under her wings. Best way to look at Jesus is to read what he says and what about himself in Scripture and what he des and what Paul says about, not say "This is what the church has done-emasculated Jesus" Lot of churches out there, lots of priests and pastors.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (FSPNP)

236 So how soon until Christianity gets Victimhood status?

Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 16, 2019 11:40 AM (KUaJL)

Never. Read the book. In the end, we win it all.
Posted by: Roy at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (CjAT1)

To be a Christian is not a path of victimhood, it is a path of victory. Ours is not to lay in the dust and admit defeat, but to rise and rise again, knowing that eternal glory awaits us all.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (J+mig)

237 UnitedHealth Group CEO David Wichmann warned investors on Tuesday that Medicare for All proposals pushed by Democratic lawmakers and presidential candidates would destabilize the nations health system.

Ya think?
LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (bim/x)

238 Past tense of France

Frankly don't give a damn.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (rxtQa)

239 Where did that map come from, just curious what the different colors mean.

Posted by: Picric at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (2njZk)

240 Before any investigation has even started...

"According to the Associated Press, the Paris prosecutor's office said it was treating the fire as an accident, ruling out arson and terror-related motives."

https://tinyurl.com/y6rtw7hr

Posted by: geoffb at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (zOpu5)

241 That mysterious video looks like Bigfoot.

Posted by: Archer at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (gmo/4)

242 235 You all act like you wouldn't watch National Treasure III, screenplay by Dan Brown.
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (oZ6kz)

That's yes on one, but no on two.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (NWiLs)

243 You KNOW she has a sex video or five. She used to be a bartender. It's just a matter of time before it comes out.



If she survives the next election I can see her trying to usurp
Pelosi's job as Speaker or Majority Leader. If you think Pelosi wouldn't
stoop so low as to release an AOC sex tape in her own defense...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (veoSD)


I don't care what anyone says about her teeth, her bug-eyes, if/when the tape is released, I want to see it.


Seems to me, people spend way too much time paying attention to her face.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2019 11:46 AM (a2xio)

244 You all act like you wouldn't watch National Treasure III, screenplay by Dan Brown.

Probably not, I haven't seen his previous two ripoff films

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 11:46 AM (39g3+)

245 239 Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:38 AM (HUFx

Jesus wasn't a tranny.

He can also not be locked into some ultra macho-let's knock off all the heads of everybody who looks at us cross eyed-view, nor some effeminate version of gentle Jesus meek and mild. He was a unique individual who both threw over the tables in the Temple and compared himself to a mother hen who wanted to gather the people under her wings. Best way to look at Jesus is to read what he says and what about himself in Scripture and what he des and what Paul says about, not say "This is what the church has done-emasculated Jesus" Lot of churches out there, lots of priests and pastors.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (FSPNP)

Posted that without seeing the clarification from Puddin. I was suggesting he was critiquing the tranny acceptance thing spreading across Christianity.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 11:46 AM (HUFx8)

246 That's because it's made of witches ducks.
Fixed.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 16, 2019 11:46 AM (Dh1wo)

247 224 After awhile, it was just part of downtown."

Like the WTC...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 11:42 AM (6qErC)


'Zactly. I we didn't realize their significance until they were burning and fallen.

Posted by: Sooner at April 16, 2019 11:47 AM (Fs5vw)

248 250 That's because it's made of witches ducks.
Fixed.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 16, 2019 11:46 AM (Dh1wo)

Whatever. They both weigh the same.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:47 AM (NWiLs)

249 Best way to look at Jesus is to read what he says and what about himself in Scripture

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (FSPNP)
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Couldn't be said better.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:47 AM (vDqXW)

250 241 UnitedHealth Group CEO David Wichmann warned investors on Tuesday that Medicare for All proposals pushed by Democratic lawmakers and presidential candidates would destabilize the nations health system.

Ya think?
LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (bim/x)

The health care companies can STFU and STFD. They conspired with Barky to bring us Ocare. They should have quit being corporatists and concentrated on making a buck for their shareholders. Now they can step off.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:47 AM (RD7QR)

251 Before any investigation has even started...

"According to the Associated Press, the Paris prosecutor's office said it was treating the fire as an accident, ruling out arson and terror-related motives."

https://tinyurl.com/y6rtw7hr
Posted by: geoffb at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (zOpu5)
++++++++++
This came up yesterday, too, and I piled on. It wouldn't surprise me if virtually all fires are treated as accidental by default unless they find evidence to the contrary, and which point they'd pivot. Most fires are accidental, so having that as a default stance would make some amount of sense in the general case of "fire investigation."

Posted by: Dan Brown at April 16, 2019 11:47 AM (I2dne)

252 the pictures I saw had a rose like window, but the glass was gone. that may have been a different window, idk.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 11:48 AM (Cus5s)

253 i think there was one ahistorical touchdown Jesus but nothing else. "

LOL I know exactly what pose you're talking about!

the fight about Iconoclasm started right off at the beginning of the Protestant movement between Luther, who said he wanted to reform the Roman Catholic Church but keep all of the parts which he didn't see as corrupt, and Calvin and Zwingli (and others) who said the entire structure was so rotten that it needed to be swept away and replaced with something else, and that included all of the imagery.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 16, 2019 11:48 AM (Kpl3J)

254 250 That's because it's made of witches ducks.
Fixed.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 16, 2019 11:46 AM (Dh1wo)


You MUST try the interior wood confit.

Posted by: Roy at April 16, 2019 11:48 AM (CjAT1)

255 WE WILL NOT SPECULATE ON THIS NETWORK!!

NOT ON MY WATCH!!! IT'S A ROLEX!

Posted by: Shep Shrieks Sheply at April 16, 2019 11:48 AM (IABUI)

256 I have to dissent from the majority here.
--------------------
Heh.
I'm way behind! Many others have said the same thing, that the LEFT is the real problem.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 11:48 AM (Rxduq)

257 Drat. Sock off.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 16, 2019 11:48 AM (I2dne)

258 You all act like you wouldn't watch National Treasure III, screenplay by Dan Brown.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (oZ6kz)


Diane Kruger is still the best looking dame in Hollywood.

There, I said it.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM (a2xio)

259

Hurry up with that medal, I gots some beatches waitin to be choked out...

Posted by: Lion Woods at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM (UFLLM)

260 "According to the Associated Press, the Paris prosecutor's office said it was treating the fire as an accident, ruling out arson and terror-related motives."

https://tinyurl.com/y6rtw7hr
Posted by: geoffb at April 16, 2019 11:45 AM (zOpu5)
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Just like the Vegas shooting.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM (vDqXW)

261
You KNOW she has a sex video or five. She used to be a bartender. It's just a matter of time before it comes out.

As her popularity drops she'll be forced to resort back to her bartending days and start showing off her cans more.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM (TAmPV)

262 I brooks no dissent!

Posted by: Garth at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM (Dh1wo)

263 221 Worse, large sub sets of Christianity now teach you are not even supposed to fight for YOURSELF.
Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 11:34 AM (NgKpN)

Those teachings are heresy, and do not compute with a with the same person who advised his followers to sell their cloaks and buy swords, knowing that persecution would be in their future, shortly before his capture.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 11:41 AM (J+mig)

correct. Even the "turn the other cheek" is misinterpreted and taken out of context. The admonition is to turn your cheek that is hit by a master to a slave to the cheek that is hit by an equal to an equal. Make the striker see you as a person, not as their slave. Hold yourself in dignity. But that's been lost to 99.9% of people as the awareness of a master striking a slave in a different way than he would an equal was lost to history.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM (nRWPy)

264 Fucking USA Today not only fails to note that President Trump was the very first to offer his prayers to France over the Notre Dame tragedy, but they quote their Boy-King, Obama from Twatter.

You want to know why everyone wants to throat-punch the media? There you have it.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM (VpIIl)

265 ... the orangutan from Murders in the Rue Morgue who was wearing a yellow vest. He was mad because some art critic dissed his painting of the whale.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 16, 2019 11:44 AM (uYZSX)

Ah, a typical Trump voter. It makes sense now.

Posted by: Jake Tapper at April 16, 2019 11:50 AM (Kpl3J)

266 Couldn't be said better.
Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:47 AM (vDqXW)

Well, thanks, but it actually could be said better. I am a terrible typist. What I meant to say is that the best way to look at Jesus is to see what he said about himself and his mission, and to see what he did, and to read what Paul's letters say about him. I think the scriptures give a very balanced view of Jesus.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:50 AM (FSPNP)

267 I happened to be trapped yesterday and caught a bit of Wolf Blitzer interviewing some serious looking professor from somewhere in Europe and they were talking about Notre Dame and Wolf asked him why the Cathedral was so important to the Parisians. This guy, sounding otherwise intelligent, went on and on about it being such an integral part of the city's skyline that "they couldn't imagine it not being there." That's it. Nothing about Faith and God and Christianity and Civilization.

Just a building among many that formed the "skyline."

Posted by: JoeF. at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (NFEMn)

268 265
You KNOW she has a sex video or five. She used to be a bartender. It's just a matter of time before it comes out.

As her popularity drops she'll be forced to resort back to her bartending days and start showing off her cans more.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM (TAmPV)

She's only, what, six years out of college and already looking a bit rough compared to her "Breakfast Club" video appearance. She's not going to age well at all.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (NWiLs)

269 I'm really skeptical of "militant secularists" being responsible for very many of the church attacks, let alone most of them. I have no doubt they exist -- they ran the country in the late 1700s -- but their numbers and vigor aren't going to be big enough to pull off that kind of breadth and number of attacks.

Its one thing to wear your greasy Flying Spaghetti Monster
and mock Christians on social media, but its another to get out of mom's basement and go do something about it.

Where did that map come from, just curious what the different colors mean.

Yeah I can't find it anywhere to find a key

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (39g3+)

270 The militant Left secularists use Gramscian means of conquering the West, while the Muslims use terror tactics.

They make a good team.

Posted by: Dennis Kucinich at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (92+HZ)

271 I'm all for a new Crusade, starting by retaking the Temple Mount from the Muslim Invaders, and then plowing across the Middle East. I think if the forces of darkness want a challenge, they've come to the right place.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (VpIIl)

272 260 I have to dissent from the majority here.
--------------------
Heh.
I'm way behind! Many others have said the same thing, that the LEFT is the real problem.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 11:48 AM (Rxduq)

The problem is that the left brings in Islam to be its army but doesn't reckon with the fact that Islam doesn't share their agenda.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (RD7QR)

273 correct. Even the "turn the other cheek" is misinterpreted and taken out of context. The admonition is to turn your cheek that is hit by a master to a slave to the cheek that is hit by an equal to an equal. Make the striker see you as a person, not as their slave. Hold yourself in dignity. But that's been lost to 99.9% of people as the awareness of a master striking a slave in a different way than he would an equal was lost to history.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM

In MY bible we are told to spread BOTH cheeks!

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (Kpl3J)

274 I'm not a fan of Paul.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (rxtQa)

275 78 I second this. Also, what about just the sheer enjoyment, instead of as grudging transaction or behavioral conditioning? We'd all be so much better off.
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:13 AM (NWiLs)


Well, sure, depending on whether it's maintenance sex or "romantic" sex. I don't think there should be a problem with either like there is nothing wrong with a gourmet meal or a quick snack so you don't get hungry. There's a place for both and both should be enjoyable. I'm well aware that many women think they're doing a guy a favor, which imho is not only stupid but destructive as well as self-defeating.
Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:18 AM (nRWPy)

Absolutely spot on. You are quite wise, dagny. Kudos!

Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (APMW0)

276 The map came from Uber.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (RuIsu)

277 The problem is that the left brings in Islam to be its army but doesn't reckon with the fact that Islam doesn't share their agenda.
Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (RD7QR)
---
But that just goes back to the left's weak contact with reality.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (vDqXW)

278 I'm not a fan of Paul.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (rxtQa)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (FSPNP)

279 You KNOW she has a sex video or five. She used to be a bartender. It's just a matter of time before it comes out.

Well plus she's really stupid and self-centered so you know she wanted to be on camera.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (39g3+)

280 I'm not a fan of Paul.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (rxtQa)

I like Ringo.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at April 16, 2019 11:53 AM (xPJvm)

281 I'm not a fan of Paul.

The walrus was Paul

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 11:53 AM (39g3+)

282 I'm not a fan of Paul.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (rxtQa)

Whoops. Jumpy computer How do you feel about Ringo, John and George

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:54 AM (FSPNP)

283 The admonition is to turn your cheek that is hit by a master to a slave to the cheek that is hit by an equal to an equal.

---

also, the OT "eye for an eye" is actually a call for restraint
as you can see now in the ME, someone takes an eye, the instinctive reprisal is an escalation - kill them

Posted by: vmom Superior Order of Ninjas at April 16, 2019 11:54 AM (dm05u)

284 I'm not a fan of Paul.

The walrus was Paul
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 11:53 AM (39g3+)
---
Paul is dead.

Posted by: Backwards on a Beatles Album at April 16, 2019 11:54 AM (vDqXW)

285 I'm not a fan of Paul.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (rxtQa)

But his wife made amazing fish sticks.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:54 AM (NWiLs)

286 I wonder what the media would be speculating about if one of the most recognizable symbols of Islam suddenly burned down to the ground during the Muslim holy days....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 16, 2019 11:54 AM (NFEMn)

287 In MY bible we are told to spread BOTH cheeks!
Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (Kpl3J


Ugh. This is triggering me. I hate it when leftists make up their own imaginary "Jesus" and claim followers of the historical Jesus are bad people.

Posted by: Emmie at April 16, 2019 11:54 AM (4HMW8)

288 Sigh--Ringo, George and Paul?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:54 AM (FSPNP)

289 Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:49 AM (nRWPy)

I've read that the strike on the right cheek was a backhand ,(assuming a right-handed attacker), and seen as an insult. Turning the left cheek was basically saying "If you're going to hit me, hit me like a man!"

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 11:54 AM (J+mig)

290 "16 It the fire was deliberately set by a practitioner of the religion of peace, we'll never, ever hear about it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 16, 2019 11:06 AM (ptqGC) "


This.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 16, 2019 11:55 AM (wA4OO)

291
Fucking USA Today not only fails to note that President Trump was the very first to offer his prayers to France over the Notre Dame tragedy, but they quote their Boy-King, Obama from Twatter.


Obama's message sounded like it came off a Hallmark sympathy card. Trump's sounded genuine

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 16, 2019 11:55 AM (TAmPV)

292 My favorite Beatles were George and Ringo.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:55 AM (FSPNP)

293 Jesus was not a genderqueer pacifist, I think that much is obvious.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (NWiLs)

294 One wonders how many mosques were vandalized by these so-called "secularists", given they should be targeting churches, mosques and synagogues, but I bet the vandalism is concentrated in churches and synagogues, coincidentally enough...

Posted by: jim at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (gjGvH)

295 Since no workers were on site since last Thursday, I think there is a very high probability that it was torched.

In light of day, the pictures clearly show scaffolding reach all the way to the ground on one side.

An athletic jihadist could make it up there.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (so+oy)

296 But that just goes back to the left's weak contact with reality.
Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (vDqXW)

They think that their social pressure will make the Muslims abandon their religion, once they've served their purpose.

Anyone with any sense knows this won't happen, but hubris is a hell of a drug.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (J+mig)

297 AOC's sex videos may be the last that would actually be a news story. In 25 years or so, it'll be more common than not for everyone in Congress to have some videos floating around out there.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (oZ6kz)

298 My favorite Beatles are Dung and Scarab

Posted by: Phil Hartmark F/K/A Truck Monkey at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (flINI)

299 Sadly I suspect the secularism, militant or not, is very much why there are over 800 Church desecration or vandalism cases in the last year in France. When the acts just become regarded as vandalism, no worse than breaking a car window by the general population, the government is not going to spend the resources to catch and punish the culprits. The authorities overlook that the growing 7% of the population that are Islamic consider it as their god winning, even if they aren't doing the defacing and window breaking etc.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (pAkRe)

300 Mind if we France with your dates?

-Islam

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (0tfLf)

301
I'm not a fan of Paul.

They keep taking stuff from me and giving it to him.

Posted by: Peter at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (aKsyK)

302 Anyone with any sense knows this won't happen, but hubris is a hell of a drug.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (J+mig)

True, but you know what they say...

Posted by: Nemesis, warming up in the bullpen at April 16, 2019 11:57 AM (NWiLs)

303 An athletic jihadist could make it up there.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (so+oy)

Don't look at me.

Posted by: Usain Bolt at April 16, 2019 11:57 AM (NFEMn)

304
DM story on the contractor doing the work at Notre Dame:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927801

They think the fire started around the spire, and they're looking at just what this guy's crew was doing.

This guy look soft and pudgy. He looks like a fat little soyboi to me.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 16, 2019 11:57 AM (f1Vqw)

305 I'm not a fan of Paul.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (rxtQa)


I'm a George man, myself.

**rocks out to What Is Life?**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2019 11:57 AM (BmxiN)

306 >>My favorite Beatles were George and Ringo.

That's because you have good taste.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2019 11:57 AM (/tuJf)

307 Anyone with any sense knows this won't happen, but hubris is a hell of a drug.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (J+mig)
---
Unfortunately, it has been the pattern of the left from the French Revolution to make everybody take that drug.

Posted by: Backwards on a Beatles Album at April 16, 2019 11:57 AM (vDqXW)

308 If you play the last Beatles album in reverse it says Paul is dead. If you play it forward, it plays shitty music.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 16, 2019 11:57 AM (gC2IV)

309 if it was a muz fire bug, they might claim credit after they flee Paris

Posted by: vmom Superior Order of Ninjas at April 16, 2019 11:58 AM (dm05u)

310 Did they save the Rose windows? I don't think so.

Posted by: illiniwek

I'm seeing reports that, miraculously, they did!
Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (AM1GF)

Beginning to sound like this may have been "financial combustion". "let's save all the good art from this old wreck, and then torch it for the insurance money (or torch it and rebuild, as it would be cheaper than restoring it)."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 16, 2019 11:58 AM (TfwlC)

311 BTW, Wikipedia lists around 2300 mosques in France (with 200-250 more planned). A large number of targets for "secularists", no doubt.

Posted by: jim at April 16, 2019 11:58 AM (gjGvH)

312 "The Crusades were lost when Christians overtook Jerusalem, then went home."

But they didn't. They founded kingdoms and defended them. They just couldn't sustain a fight across the Med and the Crusader Kingdoms eventually fell.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 16, 2019 11:58 AM (2Bf5O)

313 also, the OT "eye for an eye" is actually a call for restraint
as you can see now in the ME, someone takes an eye, the instinctive reprisal is an escalation - kill them
Posted by: vmom Superior Order of Ninjas at April 16, 2019 11:54 AM (dm05u)

The idea of the punishment being equal to the crime is the foundation of justice, even if we've gone beyond corporal punishment and into serving time & monetary compensation.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 11:58 AM (J+mig)

314 "According to the Associated Press, the Paris prosecutor's office said it was treating the fire as an accident, ruling out arson and terror-related motives."

https://tinyurl.com/y6rtw7hr
Posted by: geoffb


Then the prosecutor's office is done and they shouldn't be contacted any further. Since there's nothing to prosecute.

If it was an accident as they say.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2019 11:58 AM (dDUXP)

315 Since no workers were on site since last Thursday, I think there is a very high probability that it was torched.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Is this a fact? No one was working on it yesterday?

Posted by: Usain Bolt at April 16, 2019 11:58 AM (NFEMn)

316 I wonder what the media would be speculating about if one of the most recognizable symbols of Islam suddenly burned down to the ground during the Muslim holy days....

Curiously enough there was actually a fire at the Jerusalem mosque at the same time, a small outbuilding.

http://tinyurl.com/y323e7wk

The fire was put out quickly with no injuries reported... Sheikh Azzam al-Khatib, director general of the Jerusalem Waqf and Al-Aqsa Mosque Affairs Department, hinted that the fire could have been started by children who were seen playing in the area.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 11:58 AM (39g3+)

317 Thanks Charlotte.

I have to say though that my husband is a particularly unselfish, mature guy. IDK how I'd do with a shithead.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:59 AM (nRWPy)

318 Jesus was not a genderqueer pacifist, I think that much is obvious.Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (NWiLs)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 11:59 AM (FSPNP)

319 My favorite beetle is not Bailey.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 16, 2019 11:59 AM (RuIsu)

320 Fucking USA Today not only fails to note that President Trump was the very first to offer his prayers to France over the Notre Dame tragedy, but they quote their Boy-King, Obama from Twatter.


Obama's message sounded like it came off a Hallmark sympathy card. Trump's sounded genuine
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
...............

Are you talking about this message?

"So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!"

Maybe he wanted to be a fireman when he was a kid..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 16, 2019 11:59 AM (so+oy)

321 I have to dissent from the majority here.
--------------------
Heh.
I'm way behind! Many others have said the same thing, that the LEFT is the real problem.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 11:48 AM

*******

Stalin: How many Divisions does the Pope have?

Solution...take the next fifty years and strip away Christianity.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 11:59 AM (0tfLf)

322 281 The problem is that the left brings in Islam to be its army but doesn't reckon with the fact that Islam doesn't share their agenda.
Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (RD7QR)

An ancient King named Vortigern made the same deal with two warriors named Hengist and Horsa - they won his war, and then they won his kingdom.

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at April 16, 2019 11:59 AM (Kpl3J)

323 >>AOC's sex videos may be the last that would actually be a news story.


AOC would leverage a leaked sex tape to victim of misogyny/sexual harassment status so hard.
Don't think it would be the win for those who dislike her, not at all.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2019 12:00 PM (W+vEI)

324 Well best get some writing done.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 16, 2019 12:00 PM (uYZSX)

325 Are you talking about this message?"

No. The actual message, not the tweet.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 12:00 PM (6qErC)

326
Sacred beetles are used to make Abu Rabu Simbu Tu.

Posted by: Victor Beuno at April 16, 2019 12:00 PM (f1Vqw)

327 Has anyone heard from Hadrian VII of Soyara Borzois? It's been awhile since I've seen a post from him.

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 16, 2019 12:00 PM (JKNZq)

328 But they didn't. They founded kingdoms and defended them. They just couldn't sustain a fight across the Med and the Crusader Kingdoms eventually fell.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 16, 2019 11:58 AM (2Bf5O)

There was no political will to support the effort, and that was the problem. Everyone expected the kingdoms of Jerusalem and Syria to hold their own against the entire Caliphate, which was impossible. Then as now, Christianity was splintered, and Islam was unified in purpose.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 12:00 PM (J+mig)

329 309 I'm not a fan of Paul.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 11:52 AM (rxtQa)

I'm a George man, myself.

**rocks out to What Is Life?**
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2019 11:57 AM (BmxiN)

Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:01 PM (NWiLs)

330 Jesus was not a genderqueer pacifist, I think that much is obvious.Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (NWiLs)

And much of the church doesn't present him that way. Do you think Grammie's husband does? I don't and neither do I even if I am a woman pastor. We (clergy people) are not all on the politically correct bandwagon.,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 12:01 PM (FSPNP)

331 Insurance fraud?

So, Gallic Lightning?

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 16, 2019 12:01 PM (oZ6kz)

332 My favorite Beatles were George and Ringo.

That's because you have good taste.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2019 11:57 AM (/tuJf)

On that topic , the trailer to the movie Yesterday is great. I hope the movie is as good. Even if you're not a Beatles fan it looks fantastic . At least it's an original concept for Hollywood.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 12:01 PM (rxtQa)

333 The militant secularists are the EU globalists that really are trying to "break" the West of their "Christianity Problem". The Eastern Bloc is standing up to them ... Macron and Merkel and May ... have joined them, against the will of the people.


Soros/Cameron/Hillary ... "we came we saw he died .. chortle". They opened up the floodgates via Libya. So far they have paid off Erdogan to stop him from shipping in even more ... or maybe that has ended and they surrendered, idk.


But the DeepState secular globalists are certainly OK with militancy, even if they fund it from the shadows. It has many faces.


but this COULD be an accident ... happened right after a bunch of Muslim workers left the building ... so obviously they didn't do it (that is a claim ... "not the workers, they were gone"). But of course they could have left a device, or started it small ... still don't know.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 12:01 PM (Cus5s)

334 Joy comes in the morning.

Christ was never passive and struggled constantly with his destiny. Buddha was not passive.

Humanity will go along to get along -- until it can not.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 16, 2019 12:01 PM (MIKMs)

335 They just couldn't sustain a fight across the Med and the Crusader Kingdoms eventually fell.

They did really well until a certain brilliant commander and leader named Saladin managed to unite the various warring tribes.

My favorite Beatles are Dung and Scarab

I prefer Goliath, golden and firefly

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 12:01 PM (39g3+)

336
Greetings fappers and fappees.
Looks like today we get crispy fried fresh hell. Which is apropos.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 16, 2019 12:01 PM (HaL55)

337
I'm all for a new Crusade, starting by retaking the Temple Mount from the Muslim Invaders, and then plowing across the Middle East. I think if the forces of darkness want a challenge, they've come to the right place.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (VpIIl)







JDAM, Kaaba, some (dis)assembly required.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 16, 2019 12:02 PM (veoSD)

338 The hatred for Christianity, for the God of the Bible, is so strong among the globalist Left that they refused to even mention their Christian heritage in the preamble to the EU charter. They did mention Greece and Rome at least, but not Jerusalem.

How desperately they wish that Jew boy hadn't been born in Bethlehem and polluted the Gentiles with so many Jewish ideas --- especially with the prophetic tradition, which declares that the State is not God.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:02 PM (Rxduq)

339 340
Greetings fappers and fappees.
Looks like today we get crispy fried fresh hell. Which is apropos.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 16, 2019 12:01 PM (HaL55)

Ooo, does that come with dippin' sauce?

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:02 PM (NWiLs)

340 Ugh. This is triggering me. I hate it when leftists make up their own imaginary "Jesus" and claim followers of the historical Jesus are bad people.


Teddy Ruxpin jesus isn't real jesus. It's a cartoon character who doesn't "save" you from anything.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 12:02 PM (nRWPy)

341 #35.
I think Andorra and Liechtenstein are the taxation and vacation playgrounds of the elite wealthy globalists. No rapefugees in there that I know of.

Posted by: Martell at April 16, 2019 12:02 PM (N7J/1)

342 Did they save the Rose windows? I don't think so.

Posted by: illiniwek

I'm seeing reports that, miraculously, they did!
Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 16, 2019 11:29 AM (AM1GF)

yup..

pics:

http://tinyurl.com/y66u9dhx

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 16, 2019 12:02 PM (so+oy)

343 I have to agree with Ann Barnhardt - better it burn to ash than become a mosque.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2019 12:03 PM (BmxiN)

344 They think that their social pressure will make the Muslims abandon their religion, once they've served their purpose.

Anyone with any sense knows this won't happen, but hubris is a hell of a drug.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 11:56 AM (J+mig)

Actually, the people that call the shots know what they are doing and have no illusions about Muslims. However, the useful idiots actually believe in the magic dirt theory, that eventually the towel heads will adopt Western ways and take their primitive religion with a grain of salt. Hey, they got Europe to give up on Christianity. What's another religion or two?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at April 16, 2019 12:03 PM (3sjI6)

345
Are you talking about this message?

"So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!"


No I'm talking about his God bless the people of France tweet.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 16, 2019 12:03 PM (TAmPV)

346 My favorite beetle is not Bailey.

But I'm a big fan of Bailey Quarters

http://tinyurl.com/y23mb452

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 12:03 PM (39g3+)

347 That tooth is up to $4,000 now.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 16, 2019 11:34 AM (JUOKG)

Would you be so kind as to give us the name and address of your endodontist?

Posted by: Acme Yacht Compnay at April 16, 2019 12:04 PM (TfwlC)

348 They conspired with Barky to bring us Ocare."

Indeed. There was much copying of the brit's NHS "stuffing" of gold.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 12:04 PM (6qErC)

349 How desperately they wish that Jew boy hadn't been born in Bethlehem and polluted the Gentiles with so many Jewish ideas --- especially with the prophetic tradition, which declares that the State is not God.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:02 PM (Rxduq)

And that is the crux of why they hate us.

We do not follow men. We follow a higher Law.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 12:04 PM (J+mig)

350 Fen - don't take the impersonal personally. There's been an undeniable trend in "mainstream" denominations to water down and wussify both the gospel and the person of Jesus. It's been going on a long time, and lamented by those who seek to maintain orthodoxy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:04 PM (NWiLs)

351 222 Macron wants to rebuild the church as a multiple use platform. Muslims would be welcome to pray just like the Catholics. JMHO

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at April 16, 2019 11:42 AM (P4Pk9)

If it's rebuilt, it will be as a monument to The State, not to God. A "community center" which will be technologically updated and will be as soulless as every other government building.

I imagine they'll attempt some "artistry" with it that will be abstract rubbish that passes for modern art.

As of yesterday, whatever use it had as a cathedral rather than a museum and tourist attraction ended.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (0Ntuf)

352 Did they save the Rose windows? I don't think so.

Apparently but I'm guessing they sustained some damage. Like the stone walls, they probably will require some repair.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (39g3+)

353 Jessica Tarlov makes me want to break things.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (gC2IV)

354 "Beginning to sound like this may have been
"financial combustion". "let's save all the good art from this old
wreck, and then torch it for the insurance money (or torch it and
rebuild, as it would be cheaper than restoring it)."Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


that came to my mind too, but I didn't want to add more "conspiracy theory". the "cheaper to start over" idea may well be correct. And Macron I think it was, was almost immediately calling for donations ... "never let a manufactured crisis go to waste" ?


But it so far just fits that profile, no other clear evidence.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (Cus5s)

355 342 The hatred for Christianity, for the God of the Bible, is so strong among the globalist Left that they refused to even mention their Christian heritage in the preamble to the EU charter. They did mention Greece and Rome at least, but not Jerusalem.

How desperately they wish that Jew boy hadn't been born in Bethlehem and polluted the Gentiles with so many Jewish ideas --- especially with the prophetic tradition, which declares that the State is not God.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:02 PM (Rxduq)

Technically speaking Jerusalem doesn't feature all that highly in the Christian tradition. It's not a see of any of the Apostles and was elevated later by a Byzantine emperor.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (HUFx8)

356 Posted by: Acme Yacht Compnay"

We've already got it.

/Porsche Cars North America

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (6qErC)

357
The Frog justice system is different than our/British common law derivatives. It is non-adversarial, "inquisitorial" or something. Judges do not act as referees, but active investigators themselves.

So a criminal probe works nothing like it does under our system.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (f1Vqw)

358 326 281 The problem is that the left brings in Islam to be its army but doesn't reckon with the fact that Islam doesn't share their agenda.
Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (RD7QR)

An ancient King named Vortigern made the same deal with two warriors named Hengist and Horsa - they won his war, and then they won his kingdom.
Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at April 16, 2019 11:59 AM (Kpl3J)
---------------------------------
Not to mention the jackass political faction in Visigothic Spain that let the Moors in to help fight their rivals.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (Rxduq)

359 We do not follow men. We follow a higher Law.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 12:04 PM (J+mig)


Like Hebrew National!

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (NWiLs)

360 Even the "turn the other cheek" is misinterpreted and taken out of context.
---
I know it's long, but read the book of Jeremiah sometime. There's a very similar command in the middle of that and it has nothing to do with daily living. It was basically 'You people have had every chance in the world to turn around and you wouldn't listen, so now you're going to take your punishment until you've learned the lesson'. I took Jesus' statement as a rebuke to the crowd that wanted Him to overthrow the Romans.

Posted by: Methos at April 16, 2019 12:06 PM (kOpft)

361 Ahoy! Wait, what?

Posted by: Colonel Bernie Sanders, Extra Crispy at April 16, 2019 12:06 PM (vtcmf)

362 If it's rebuilt, it will be as a monument to The State, not to God. A "community center" which will be technologically updated and will be as soulless as every other government building.

With basketball courts and footbaths for the Mohammedans.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:07 PM (NWiLs)

363 jackass political faction in Visigothic Spain that let the Moors in to help fight their rivals."

Importing labor.

How does that work out... every time?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 12:07 PM (6qErC)

364 The boss just called and gave me a thousand dollar (after taxes) bonus.

Man, I love the Trumpconomy. Seriously. Having the best few years ever.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 16, 2019 12:07 PM (+/7JY)

365 Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:04 PM (NWiLs)

I didn't take it personally because I know what I preach and what I believe. I was just using Rev Winger and myself as an example. You want Orthodoxy? Try the Eastern Orthodox Church or check out individual churches. I'm sure there is more than one church in your neck of the woods

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 12:09 PM (FSPNP)

366 Like Hebrew National!
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (NWiLs)

They make good hotdogs. Can't argue with their results.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 12:10 PM (J+mig)

367 The problem is that the left brings in Islam to be its army but doesn't reckon with the fact that Islam doesn't share their agenda.
Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 11:51 AM (RD7QR)

An ancient King named Vortigern made the same deal with two warriors named Hengist and Horsa - they won his war, and then they won his kingdom.
Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at April 16, 2019 11:59 AM (Kpl3J)
---------------------------------
Not to mention the jackass political faction in Visigothic Spain that let the Moors in to help fight their rivals.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille


Islam is opportunistic. It spread thanks to the weakened Byzantines and Persions, the foolish Spaniards, and now the Left laying waste to the culture.

The Left has been weakening our ability to reckon with these outside forces, leaving us vulnerable.

Yes, that means the Left is AIDS for the body politic, what of it...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 16, 2019 12:10 PM (AM1GF)

368
Even the "turn the other cheek" is misinterpreted and taken out of
context. The admonition is to turn your cheek that is hit by a master to
a slave to the cheek that is hit by an equal to an equal. Make the
striker see you as a person, not as their slave. Hold yourself in
dignity. But that's been lost to 99.9% of people as the awareness of a
master striking a slave in a different way than he would an equal was
lost to history.


After you "turn to him the other cheek," there's essentially nothing. Nowhere does He say you can't defend yourself against aggression. Sounds to me like He's saying, "OK, the other guy started it and if he doesn't stop after you've shown him you patience, then you can start whoopin' his ass."


If you've ever had a bully pick on you, you know the best and prolly the only way to stop him is to stand up to him and beat his ass if you can. Even if you don't defeat him, he's likely to see your strength and leave you alone after you confront him.


Pussy Christians bug me a lot. We're not supposed to give in to assaults, either on our persons or on our beliefs. Too many alleged Christians do, enough so that when a few of us do start to stand up against aggression, we're castigated for it instead of being joined.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 16, 2019 12:10 PM (HaL55)

369 The boss just called and gave me a thousand dollar (after taxes) bonus.

The worst part is when you get a bonus that kicks you into another tax bracket, so the taxes take an even bigger bite :/ But congo rats

My guess is that the French will rebuild Notre Dame to be as exactly like it was before. Not out of reverence but because its part of their cultural heritage and a big money maker.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 16, 2019 12:12 PM (39g3+)

370 OK... here's one of the world's craziest women:

https://tinyurl.com/yxp453ue

Posted by: Dennis Kucinich at April 16, 2019 12:12 PM (92+HZ)

371 I said it yesterday and will repeat it today. Arson.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 16, 2019 12:12 PM (0v57o)

372 The legend of the map is that if you hold it up to candlelight in a
place of great religious significance on the 25th day of the holiest
month when the stars are in alignment, it shows you the path to the long
sought relic of Charlemagne's last baguette.


I'm down with that as long as a I get a seat at the Round Table.

And a beer.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 16, 2019 12:12 PM (7s3Gx)

373

Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.

Posted by: Peter at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (aKsyK)

374 thanks for the link chi town jerry ... it says one was largely unharmed ... not sure yet of the other two. some say they are ok, with some damage. still haven't seen the pics or confirmation of that.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (Cus5s)

375 359---Technically speaking Jerusalem doesn't feature all that highly in the Christian tradition. It's not a see of any of the Apostles and was elevated later by a Byzantine emperor.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (HUFx
----------------------------
Um, ....I'm talking about the traditional view that European civilization as a whole is based on "Athens, Rome, and Jerusalem." That isn't referring to the cities in a literal sense.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (Rxduq)

376 The violence inspired by anti-Muslim hatred is always descending on Christians.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (T09ml)

377
"Beginning to sound like this may have been

"financial combustion". "let's save all the good art from this old

wreck, and then torch it for the insurance money (or torch it and

rebuild, as it would be cheaper than restoring it)."Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


Sooo..."Christian lightning?" That would be new.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (HaL55)

378 Fen - don't take the impersonal personally. There's been an undeniable trend in "mainstream" denominations to water down and wussify both the gospel and the person of Jesus. It's been going on a long time, and lamented by those who seek to maintain orthodoxy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:04 PM (NWiLs)

Whatcha ya talking about Willis? ---Joel Olsteen

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (rxtQa)

379 Just imply it.

https://youtu.be/s_qypeYBoik?t=20

Moron Obligatory Nick Searcy

Posted by: DaveA at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (FhXTo)

380 Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.
Posted by: Peter at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (aKsyK)

Only two?

Hold my beer.

Posted by: Every other Dem in the Race at April 16, 2019 12:14 PM (Tr9jL)

381 Obama's message sounds almost like a mobster: "Nice place, be a shame if something were to happen to it. Hopefully, you can rebuild it even better".

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 12:14 PM (vDqXW)

382 Its fun to stand outside of the Christian church and discuss what all is wrong with it. Kinda like watching your football team suck and booing from the stands.

More difficult and less fun is entering into it and helping change its culture with your presence and leadership.

Bold, hard-line Pastors, Preachers and Priests are pushed out from the pulpit because bold, hard-line Christian men sit on their couch at home complaining online while effete congregations destroy their temples.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 16, 2019 12:15 PM (YA914)

383 Macron wants to rebuild the church as a multiple use platform. Muslims would be welcome to pray just like the Catholics. JMHO

As a "shared cultural space." Which is how it will become a mosque.

Look for those demonic buzzwords - "shared cultural space." Look for it to be pushed forward as the next logical step for churches. First by persuasion, then by the full force of the State.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2019 12:15 PM (BmxiN)

384 mysterious man in the fire ... "who was that fourth man, dancing in the fire with Shadrack, Meshack, Abednego?"


ha, I'm sure there will be claims of a miracle ... maybe it was, idk.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 12:15 PM (Cus5s)

385 Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.

We already have a State Dept. And the other one is called "parents."

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 16, 2019 12:15 PM (+/7JY)

386 371---Yes, that means the Left is AIDS ......
Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 16, 2019 12:10 PM (AM1GF)
--------------------------
Bullseye.
(Imma gonna steal that one!)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:15 PM (Rxduq)

387 Department of Peace Creation? We used to have that. It was called the War Department.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 16, 2019 12:16 PM (gC2IV)

388 ha, I'm sure there will be claims of a miracle ... maybe it was, idk.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 12:15 PM (Cus5s)

The miracle is the state of the interior, the stonework, and the rose windows. Everything that was lost can be rebuilt.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 16, 2019 12:16 PM (J+mig)

389 Man oh man, if it is proved that this was islamoterrorism... but that video, what the hell?


I have said before I would like to see Trump recognize the West Bank and Gaza as part of Israel. I will now add dismantling the dome of the rock. Start pushing this evil back.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 16, 2019 12:17 PM (r+sAi)

390 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 16, 2019 12:15 PM (YA914)

I will never be a Christian man, but I thank you for your post. Bravo!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 12:17 PM (FSPNP)

391 My favorite beetle is the '52 split window.

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 16, 2019 12:17 PM (88+cf)

392 Has anyone heard from Hadrian VII of Soyara Borzois? It's been awhile since I've seen a post from him.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 16, 2019 12:00 PM (JKNZq)

He posted yesterday, I think. he is OK.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 16, 2019 12:17 PM (TfwlC)

393 NOBODY wants Gaza.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 12:18 PM (bim/x)

394 375 I said it yesterday and will repeat it today. Arson.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 16, 2019 12:12 PM (0v57o)

YOUR son, maybe.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:18 PM (NWiLs)

395 >>My favorite beetle is the '52 split window.


semaphores or go home!

Posted by: garrett at April 16, 2019 12:18 PM (pCsgI)

396 I'll take "two people the world would be better off without" for $600, Alex.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2019 11:35 AM (a2xio)
===

Yes, they are both flawed. But the fact the mainstream media has effectively denounced them leads me to believe they are not all bad.

Posted by: Augustine at April 16, 2019 12:18 PM (BDZWU)

397
Department of Peace Creation? We used to have that. It was called the War Department.

Department of Superior Firepower

Posted by: AltonJackson link in nick for the MiMoMe at April 16, 2019 12:18 PM (ceIDk)

398 the Department of Children and Youth.
The Hipler Youth!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 16, 2019 12:18 PM (Dh1wo)

399 I'm still hoping this was an accident, but this is too convenient.
I'd like to think the West would respond if this is arson. But they won't. They'll try to cover it up.

Posted by: Iblis at April 16, 2019 12:18 PM (9221z)

400 The Notre Dame fire may have been accidental, but I copied this from an article discussing how the American news media has a blind spot for this, but wants to show us yellow vests.

"In 2018, the Ministry of the Interior recorded 541 anti-Semitic acts, 100 anti-Muslim acts, and 1,063 anti-Christian acts."

Let's massage the numbers a little to clearly see that when we combine Christian and Jew acts and compare to Muslim acts, it's a SIXTEEN TO ONE ratio.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 16, 2019 12:19 PM (+fPHo)

401
Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.
Posted by: Peter at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (aKsyK)


The Department of Children and Youth is a piece creation I can get behind

Posted by: Kevin Spacey at April 16, 2019 12:19 PM (TAmPV)

402 Rush is talking about how they won't even countenance that it could be deliberate.

Posted by: Iblis at April 16, 2019 12:19 PM (9221z)

403 I vote for arson (terrorism) from the religion of peace. It being Holy week. perfect time to make a show. If it was not arson I would be shocked.

Sad, it will never come out.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 16, 2019 12:19 PM (0OmEj)

404 403 I'm still hoping this was an accident, but this is too convenient.
I'd like to think the West would respond if this is arson. But they won't. They'll try to cover it up.

Thing is they immediately said it wasn't arson. There is no way that they could have known that so soon.. I still do think it was an accident though

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 12:20 PM (O2RFr)

405 Macron wants to rebuild the church as a multiple use platform. Muslims would be welcome to pray just like the Catholics. JMHO
----------------------------
Ah, like the National Cathedral in DC.
Last time I was there they were having a Druid dance ceremony right before the altar.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:20 PM (Rxduq)

406 "The admonition is to turn your cheek that is hit by a master to

a slave to the cheek that is hit by an equal to an equal"

I'd never heard that, but "we" used to call those cultural things "orientalisms". Eastern culture that was clear at the time it was written, to the people it was written to ... but completely foreign to the Western mind ... without some study and help.

"Light Through an Eastern Window" was one such small book. (Pillai?)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 12:21 PM (Cus5s)

407 Hey, what does this switch do?

Posted by: French Contractor at April 16, 2019 12:21 PM (gC2IV)

408 #404 And the 100 "attacks" on the Moslems is down from the previous year.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 16, 2019 12:21 PM (Dh1wo)

409 How many mosques have been defaced by these militant secularists?

Posted by: Enoughs Enuff at April 16, 2019 12:22 PM (E+Ip7)

410 397 NOBODY wants Gaza.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 12:18 PM (bim/x)

It might be more accurate to say nobody wants the Palestinians who live there as part of their country.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:22 PM (HUFx8)

411 I'm still hoping this was an accident, but this is too convenient.
I'd like to think the West would respond if this is arson. But they won't. They'll try to cover it up.

Thing is they immediately said it wasn't arson. There is no way that they could have known that so soon.. I still do think it was an accident though
Posted by: It's me donna


More than two years later, the left STILL will not stop their worship of imaginary peeing hookers.

But with the fire raging, the cause was EVERYTHING ELSE but terrorism.

But that was from a government. And no government has ever lied.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 16, 2019 12:22 PM (e1q4h)

412 What's this about hookers?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 16, 2019 12:23 PM (xJa6I)

413
It might be more accurate to say nobody wants the Palestinians who live there as part of their country.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:22 PM (HUFx

And do you propose? Genocide?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 12:23 PM (bim/x)

414 Hey, what does this switch do?

Go ahead and leave it plugged in. It'll be alright...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 16, 2019 12:23 PM (7s3Gx)

415 @parscale 20 minutes ago

This will be an EPIC rally in Green Bay Wisconsin on April 27th! We will broadcast it live so millions can watch @realDonaldTrump instead of the boring WHCD. This dinner is almost worse than Hollywood's endless self-serving award shows.

Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 12:23 PM (cF8AT)

416 Fox has a commentatin' reporter named Greg Palkot. He usually doesn't offend me. He has one of those voices you know they've been working on for years so he can be their senior statesman someday.
He's covering ND from across the Seine, and doing all right basically. Solemn, not weepy. But he just had a comical mis-speak, the kind you know you'll tell about in years to come. In mentioning the many "icons" that are in question (I'm getting sick of the term, theologically and otherwsise), he told about the "Crown of Thrones" they have there.

Oh yeah. Crown. Of Thrones. Now there's the downfall of the West for ya.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 16, 2019 12:24 PM (8ZmvG)

417 387
Macron wants to rebuild the church as a multiple use platform. Muslims would be welcome to pray just like the Catholics. JMHO



As a "shared cultural space." Which is how it will become a mosque.



Look for those demonic buzzwords - "shared cultural space."
Look for it to be pushed forward as the next logical step for churches.
First by persuasion, then by the full force of the State.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2019 12:15 PM (BmxiN)
In the US, the Bishop owns the property/buildings of a Catholic Church. In Europe, France specifically, not sure if it the same arrangement.If it is, I doubt you'll see a "shared cultural space".

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 16, 2019 12:24 PM (jxbfJ)

418 362. You all got that right. If we just could get more Americans and Europeans to understand that their elites are replacing them and in case that fails will use the replacements as an army to subjugate them into feudalism.

Posted by: Martell at April 16, 2019 12:24 PM (N7J/1)

419 416 What's this about hookers?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 16, 2019 12:23 PM (xJa6I)

Imaginary ones. Like the square root of negative one.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:24 PM (NWiLs)

420 413 How many mosques have been defaced by these militant secularists?
Posted by: Enoughs Enuff at April 16, 2019 12:22 PM (E+Ip7)
-------------------------
My guess?
The same as the number of Muslim bakers being forced to make gay wedding cakes .......Z-E-R-O.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:24 PM (Rxduq)

421 The only part of that Sanders thing I saw.

Bernie: Martha, you make more than I do. Why don't you send in more?

Martha: I didn't propose a wealth tax.

Brett: And she's not running for president.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 16, 2019 12:24 PM (gC2IV)

422 Rush is talking about how they won't even countenance that it could be deliberate.
Posted by: Iblis at April 16, 2019 12:19 PM (9221z)
---
And see--*that* is the problem.

There is no reason that it couldn't be an accident. But to rule out arson by motivated parties? That's ridiculous.

Posted by: Kadath at April 16, 2019 12:25 PM (vDqXW)

423 @408
Thing is they immediately said it wasn't arson. There is no way that they could have known that so soon.. I still do think it was an accident though

-----------------

There is a way. If someone involved with the restoration work had immediately contacted the authorities and said, in essence, "Oh no! I just realized how the fire started!" and immediately confessed to something that they did that led to the fire, then yeah, the officials would know that it was an accident. However, as convenient as that would be, I also find it highly unlikely due to the massive personal embarrassment that would result, and how unlikely it would be that someone would know of something that they had done that led to the fire without taking action to correct that beforehand.

Posted by: junior at April 16, 2019 12:26 PM (Fp6vo)

424
417
It might be more accurate to say nobody wants the Palestinians who live there as part of their country.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:22 PM (HUFx

And do you propose? Genocide?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 12:23 PM (bim/x)

If there were an easy answer would we not already have peace?

I have hypothesized that they might settle down if they operated as vassal states of Israel run by Saudi appointed emirs. This leaves unsettled the issue of the substantial Palestinian populations in Arab states who have no citizenship in those states.

But it's easy to theorize.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:26 PM (HUFx8)

425
The square root of -1, 'i' is no more imaginary that a fraction is, like 1/2.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 16, 2019 12:26 PM (f1Vqw)

426 I think most antifa assholes, the ones that throw things and kick and punch, are really really hoping to get a violent reaction from whomever they are assaulting.

They want to become victims just like what Smollett was pretending to be.

They know that the victims win, that the authorities are with them on this, the reporters have their backs, and that the way to rise to the top of the power tower is to keep up the wins.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 16, 2019 12:26 PM (+fPHo)

427 The square root of -1, 'i' is no more imaginary that a fraction is, like 1/2.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear

it's as real as us!

Posted by: imaginary peeing hookers at April 16, 2019 12:27 PM (e1q4h)

428 junior

That was my thought as well that the workmen know how it started. But if that is the case why not say so?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 12:27 PM (O2RFr)

429 The Frog justice system is different than our/British common law derivatives. It is non-adversarial, "inquisitorial" or something. Judges do not act as referees, but active investigators themselves.

So a criminal probe works nothing like it does under our system.
Posted by: publius

It is roughly based on Roman Law. You are generally guilty until proven innocent. Louisiana actually had a legal system something like this, but it has passed away.

It is nothing like our legal system, or even much in common with British Common Law.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at April 16, 2019 12:27 PM (vcOmj)

430 Putin runs Chechnya with an Islamic puppet.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:28 PM (HUFx8)

431 How many mosques have been defaced by these militant secularists?
Posted by: Enoughs Enuff


Clever and logical question. And......crickets.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at April 16, 2019 12:28 PM (vcOmj)

432
If there were an easy answer would we not already have peace?

I have hypothesized that they might settle down if they operated as vassal states of Israel run by Saudi appointed emirs. This leaves unsettled the issue of the substantial Palestinian populations in Arab states who have no citizenship in those states.

But it's easy to theorize.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:26 PM (HUFx

LOL. NO way No how No never.

It's been a festering wound for over 75 years

Which is why no one wants anything to do with it. No Israel, Not Egypt, Not the Saudis, not Jordan, Not no one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2019 12:28 PM (bim/x)

433 427 @408
Thing is they immediately said it wasn't arson. There is no way that they could have known that so soon.. I still do think it was an accident though

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There is a way. If someone involved with the restoration work had immediately contacted the authorities and said, in essence, "Oh no! I just realized how the fire started!" and immediately confessed to something that they did that led to the fire, then yeah, the officials would know that it was an accident. However, as convenient as that would be, I also find it highly unlikely due to the massive personal embarrassment that would result, and how unlikely it would be that someone would know of something that they had done that led to the fire without taking action to correct that beforehand.
Posted by: junior at April 16, 2019 12:26 PM (Fp6vo)

As in a French construction worker sitting in his tiny home smoking a Galois suddenly looking up from his wine and saying "Merde, I left the arc welder running." Then he makes a Gallic shrug and goes back to watching metric football? That kind of thing?

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 12:28 PM (RD7QR)

434 @421 In the US, the Bishop owns the property/buildings of a Catholic Church. In Europe, France specifically, not sure if it the same arrangement.If it is, I doubt you'll see a "shared cultural space".

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Someone posted the basics of the agreement in one of the threads yesterday. Basically, the government owns the property, while the church has control of it and pays for its upkeep. The question is what penalties the government would be hit with if it decided to alter the agreement.

Posted by: junior at April 16, 2019 12:29 PM (Fp6vo)

435 379 359---Technically speaking Jerusalem doesn't feature all that highly in the Christian tradition. It's not a see of any of the Apostles and was elevated later by a Byzantine emperor.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (HUFx
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Um, Jerusalem's Church was led by James the Just to whom Jesus appeared in a separate revelation 1 cor 15:7

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 12:29 PM (nRWPy)

436
That was my thought as well that the workmen know how it started. But if that is the case why not say so?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 12:27 PM (O2RFr)


Because the workmen are recently arrived new French citizens?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 16, 2019 12:29 PM (TAmPV)

437 394 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 16, 2019 12:15 PM (YA914)

I will never be a Christian man, but I thank you for your post. Bravo!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 12:17 PM (FSPNP)

......

You've got your hands calloused and dirty from doing the Lord's work. That's more than I can say for most of the irreligious Peter Pan generations of men so prevalent these days. Bless you for your faithfulness.

They see a troubled church and say its not worth fixing, but that's largely because they never really wanted it in the first place.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 16, 2019 12:29 PM (YA914)

438 434 Putin runs Chechnya with an Islamic puppet.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:28 PM (HUFx

After two wars and tens of thousands of Russian casualties. And a relatively short supply line.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 12:30 PM (RD7QR)

439 @432 That was my thought as well that the workmen know how it started. But if that is the case why not say so?

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Again, I find it highly unlikely that someone would have 'fessed up so quickly due to a variety of reasons.

Additionally, if someone *did* confess, then the government would likely want to at least perform a cursory on-site investigation to try and confirm the confession (people do perform fake confessions for various reasons, including notoriety) if at all possible.

Posted by: junior at April 16, 2019 12:32 PM (Fp6vo)

440 Aaaahhhh, covfefe.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:33 PM (NWiLs)

441 Duke Lowell's French contractor quip for the ages, in French so you can quote it with appropriate aplomb:
Trop tôt?

"Alors, qu'est-ce que ce commutateur faire?"


Gentlemen. Hats off to genius.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 16, 2019 12:33 PM (8ZmvG)

442 Thanks. Bitter Clinger

"As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 12:33 PM (FSPNP)

443 Good video inside ND showing the damage to the altar. I'm shocked there's still wooden chairs, seemingly untouched.

https://tinyurl.com/y4dqex5j

Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 12:33 PM (cF8AT)

444 Second look at the Crusades?
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Jane, the first Crusade was the northern Franks aligning with the Catholic Church to crush the Cathars in southern France. The Cathars were the early prototype Protestants.
Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 16, 2019 11:08 AM (2LelM)

The Albigensian Crusade was hundreds of years after the First Crusade to retake Jerusalem.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 16, 2019 12:34 PM (FTPn0)

445 Maybe there is a deep vein of hatred for organized religion in France.

Actually, there is. Anti-clericalism runs deep in France; it's historically one of the cultural fault lines. Consider the French Revolution's attitude toward the Church.

Note that I'm not saying that the French government's suggestion is credible, however.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 16, 2019 12:34 PM (x3tTl)

446 Anyway, you're farther away from me than NJ so that is the first scripture that came to mind. Bitter Clinger and I appreciate the encouragement/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 12:35 PM (FSPNP)

447 444 Aaaahhhh, covfefe.
Posted by: Insomniac


Hi love, could I have a cup and a snuggle please?

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 16, 2019 12:35 PM (d7Ww2)

448 St. Sulpice Church in Paris caught fire ONE MONTH AGO.

Still no reason given.

OK then.

Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 12:35 PM (NgKpN)

449 399 >>My favorite beetle is the '52 split window.

semaphores or go home!


gotta have a hole in the valance for the crank.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 16, 2019 12:36 PM (sGtp+)

450 321 Thanks Charlotte.

I have to say though that my husband is a particularly unselfish, mature guy. IDK how I'd do with a shithead.
Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 11:59 AM (nRWPy)

Yes. And there are a LOT of shitheads out there. We are lucky. We both have good guys.

Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at April 16, 2019 12:36 PM (APMW0)

451 So, the question becomes, when the Government itself keeps important secrets from its Voters, how the hell can you have a Democracy? or a Representative Republic?

Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 12:36 PM (NgKpN)

452 They were throwing priests and nuns in the Seine during the French Revolution and even during the period before the First World War there was a lot of anti Catholicism and anti Clericalism.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 16, 2019 12:37 PM (FSPNP)

453 451 444 Aaaahhhh, covfefe.
Posted by: Insomniac


Hi love, could I have a cup and a snuggle please?
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 16, 2019 12:35 PM (d7Ww2)

Absolutely!
*sends both through the USB port*

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:37 PM (NWiLs)

454 when we could not see what the firemen were doing, maybe they were hosing down the altar and windows, knowing they could not save the roof?

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 12:38 PM (Cus5s)

455 455 So, the question becomes, when the Government itself keeps important secrets from its Voters, how the hell can you have a Democracy? or a Representative Republic?
Posted by: Don Q at April 16, 2019 12:36 PM (NgKpN)

Keep the Tree of Liberty sated, I guess. But that assumes a population that still cares about such things.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 12:38 PM (RD7QR)

456 Because the workmen are recently arrived new French citizens?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 16, 2019 12:29 PM (TAmPV)

For some reason, I am willing to bet 400 quatloos that there was an immigrant, of undetermined affiliations, that was working on the Cathedral reconstruction, who is now living comfortably in another country, none of which will ever be mentioned in the "free" press.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 16, 2019 12:40 PM (f3oO4)

457 Odd, not just the msm and shep, but other Fox people won't even discuss arson either. 24 hour news and they talk about endless nothing, but can't bring it up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 16, 2019 12:40 PM (r+sAi)

458 I am ready to stand with the army of light on the plains of Megiddo.

Posted by: Archer at April 16, 2019 12:40 PM (gmo/4)

459 When the elite authorities claim it is not islamic terrorism while the event is happening you know that it is islamic terrorism.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 16, 2019 12:40 PM (pw+jk)

460 462 I am ready to stand with the army of light on the plains of Megiddo.
Posted by: Archer at April 16, 2019 12:40 PM (gmo/4)

Can we put off Armageddon until the Redskins win another Super Bowl?

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 12:41 PM (RD7QR)

461 But that assumes a population that still cares about such things.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 12:38 PM (RD7QR)

Yes, but...
Just look at the features on my new smartphone!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 16, 2019 12:41 PM (f3oO4)

462
Oh yeah. Crown. Of Thrones. Now there's the downfall of the West for ya.

Oh yeah, he watches HBO. A. Lot.

I started seeing people spell the word "hazard" with two Z's after a certain TV show came out back in the last century. Brainwashing works real good.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 16, 2019 12:41 PM (HaL55)

463 Odd, not just the msm and shep, but other Fox people won't even discuss arson either. 24 hour news and they talk about endless nothing, but can't bring it up.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk


Ask each of them if we exist. I'll give you a freebie if you do and they deny us.

They still hope that we're real. Cause they hate Trump (and all of you) that much.

Posted by: imaginary peeing hookers at April 16, 2019 12:42 PM (e1q4h)

464 466
Oh yeah. Crown. Of Thrones. Now there's the downfall of the West for ya.

Oh yeah, he watches HBO. A. Lot.

I started seeing people spell the word "hazard" with two Z's after a certain TV show came out back in the last century. Brainwashing works real good.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 16, 2019 12:41 PM (HaL55)

Them Duke boys never could spell too good.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:42 PM (NWiLs)

465 For all of those who still are loyal to Fox News.
James Murdoch gives maximum amount to Mayor PegBoy.

Posted by: Jonah at April 16, 2019 12:43 PM (HrSJb)

466 It. Was. The. Dukes. It. Was. The. Dukes.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 16, 2019 12:43 PM (+/7JY)

467 Let's hope ace isn't fasting again.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 12:43 PM (RD7QR)

468 Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.
Posted by: Peter at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (aKsyK)


She can the SecStupidity.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 16, 2019 12:43 PM (x3tTl)

469 French tycoons show competitive streak over Notre Dame aid

I think this guy wins....

https://tinyurl.com/y3p8ld83

Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 12:44 PM (cF8AT)

470 Did a Jihadi get himself hired to a work crew before Easter?

Posted by: Jonah at April 16, 2019 12:44 PM (HrSJb)

471 I'd take Gaza, everybody else has to leave tho.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 16, 2019 12:44 PM (r+sAi)

472

Is Red Buttons still hanging from the steeple?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 16, 2019 12:45 PM (aKsyK)

473 It. Was. The. Dukes. It. Was. The. Dukes.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 16, 2019 12:43 PM (+/7JY)


But you're wearing lederhosen.....

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 12:45 PM (IXZGh)

474 nurse, I can't help with the snuggle; would a quick peck help?

Posted by: W. Pecker #2 at April 16, 2019 12:46 PM (1ejyg)

475 Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.

You want less bureaucracy, mot more.
You'll take the status quo.
You'll get the Ministry of Truth.

Posted by: imaginary peeing hookers at April 16, 2019 12:46 PM (e1q4h)

476 Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.
Posted by: Peter at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (aKsyK)
------------------------------------------------------------------

Wasn't that the department proposed by the Anti-Christ in Omen III? (Sam Neil)

Posted by: theATL at April 16, 2019 12:46 PM (yFgwo)

477 French tycoons show competitive streak over Notre Dame aid

I think this guy wins....

https://tinyurl.com/y3p8ld83
Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 12:44 PM (cF8AT)


Who gets the money? They better watch it as I'm quite sure that will be RIFE with corruption and the money will disappear in endless construction contracts.....

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 12:46 PM (IXZGh)

478 406 Rush is talking about how they won't even countenance that it could be deliberate.
Posted by: Iblis at April 16, 2019 12:19 PM (9221z)


That's crazy. I oppose making wild allegations, but on the other hand, I oppose rejecting a plausible hypothesis out of hand as well. The notion should at least be entertained as a possibility.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 16, 2019 12:46 PM (x3tTl)

479 It. Was. The. Dukes. It. Was. The. Dukes.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 16, 2019 12:43 PM (+/7JY)



But you're wearing lederhosen.....

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 12:45 PM (IXZGh)

No jerky, my son. It gives me the wind.


Posted by: Archer at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (gmo/4)

480 Who gets the money? They better watch it as I'm quite sure that will be RIFE with corruption and the money will disappear in endless construction contracts.....

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 12:46 PM (IXZGh)

You didn't go to the link or money would NOT be what you're talking about.

Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (cF8AT)

481

Thousands of people took to the streets of central London on Monday, blockading some of the UK capital's busiest roads and bridges, and gluing themselves to street furniture, to raise the alarm over a mounting climate crisis.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (aKsyK)

482 It's happening here too, though you wouldn't know it to look at the news. Or "news," if you prefer.
Posted by: joncelli
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Perhaps more insidious are the efforts to rot the church from within. See: The Episcopal Church, PC(USA), and current efforts of certain elements within the Methodist Church.

The people engaging in these activities are all convinced that they occupy the moral high ground, and are acting on 'the strength of their convictions'. That they are killing the churches simply does not register in their heads, no matter what facts are laid before them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)

483 478 nurse, I can't help with the snuggle; would a quick peck help?
Posted by: W. Pecker #2


diemotherfuckerdie

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (d7Ww2)

484 Reminds me very much of the maps in Martin Gilbert's book on Kristallnacht. Had no idea of the number of synagogues desecrated by the Nazis that night. Gave me a much better perspective on the event.

Posted by: Mongol Mere Pawn at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (2fU98)

485 I think the Department of Youth was proposed by Sen. Alice Cooper.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (+/7JY)

486 478 nurse, I can't help with the snuggle; would a quick peck help?
Posted by: W. Pecker #2 at April 16, 2019 12:46 PM (1ejyg)

*racks 12 gauge*
*blasts W. Pecker #2*

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:48 PM (NWiLs)

487 The square root of -1, 'i' is no more imaginary that a fraction is, like 1/2.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 16, 2019 12:26 PM (f1Vqw)



Then you'll have no problem cashing this check for $1000i, right?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 16, 2019 12:48 PM (f3oO4)

488 Here is a Daily Mail article. It says that the renovation work was for the spire, and that the first smoke was seen in an area beneath the spire. You'll have to scroll down a ways.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2clh49g

Posted by: rickl at April 16, 2019 12:48 PM (xjiRE)

489
Odd, not just the msm and shep, but other Fox people won't even discuss arson either. 24 hour news and they talk about endless nothing, but can't bring it up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk


But when a black church in the south burns the msm thinks the only reason why a church could possibly catch fire and burn downis arson.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 16, 2019 12:48 PM (TAmPV)

490 French tycoons show competitive streak over Notre Dame aid

I think this guy wins....

https://tinyurl.com/y3p8ld83
Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 12:44 PM (cF8AT)
++++++++++
Those are two big dents. Unless you're talking about Salma Hayek, anyway, in which case dents they definitely aren't...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (I2dne)

491 thanks, Insom.

I knew you'd help with my pecker problem.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (d7Ww2)

492 Jesus is the final revelation....not a pope
Mary does not have Jesus ear. She can not grant salvation.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life.....NO MAN comes to God except through Jesus.....your good works do not save you....your good works comes after your salvation which is granted through election, not of anything you did or by any merit of your own.
Relic's have no effect on your blessing or forgiveness of sin. They are as useless now in ashes as they are as relics.
I am sadden by the loss of a beautiful building.....but let's remember....the church is in those that have Jesus as their savior.

Posted by: Joe at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (fYFzF)

493
Believe me, the Insurance Underwriter for the cathedral will thoroughly investigate the Cause and will not rule any possibilities despite what the French govt and Fake News says.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (t7dIZ)

494 gluing themselves to street furniture, to raise the alarm over a mounting climate crisis

This requires a response....to ensure that they stayed glued to furniture...For days.

Posted by: Elmer at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (e1q4h)

495 485

Thousands of people took to the streets of central London on Monday, blockading some of the UK capital's busiest roads and bridges, and gluing themselves to street furniture, to raise the alarm over a mounting climate crisis.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (aKsyK)

Yeah, annoying thousands of people just trying to get on with their day always helps raise awareness.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (RD7QR)

496 453 399 >>My favorite beetle is the '52 split window.

semaphores or go home!


Roller throttle pedal. Petcock for gas reserve under dash.

Posted by: adobe juan kenobe at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (fI+Yv)

497 Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.
Posted by: Peter at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (aKsyK)


Yes, because the government haven't fucked those things up ENOUGH, we need MORE bureaucracy added.

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (IXZGh)

498 That's crazy. I oppose making wild allegations, but on the other hand, I oppose rejecting a plausible hypothesis out of hand as well. The notion should at least be entertained as a possibility.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 16, 2019 12:46 PM (x3tTl)


Especially given the environment France is in now. This is a high time for Terror Attacks on Christians. Muslims know the significance of Holy Week, even if the MSM doesn't.
How come no one is asking who that guy in the video is?

Posted by: Iblis at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (9221z)

499 Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.
Posted by: Peter at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (aKsyK)


Way to be taken seriously, Toots.

For my part, I propose the creation of the Department of Parallel Parking.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 16, 2019 12:50 PM (x3tTl)

500 Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.

-
I like the name of Saudi Arabia's Gestapo-like agency: Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 12:50 PM (+y/Ru)

501 Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:48 PM (NWiLs)


Oh Insom and Nurse, I am so glad to see good people enjoying life!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 16, 2019 12:50 PM (f3oO4)

502 thanks, Insom.

I knew you'd help with my pecker problem.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM

*******

Jeez...I go away for a bit and come back and this is the first thing I read.

Just...jeez!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 12:50 PM (0tfLf)

503 "Do I think Notre Dame was torched?"
..........

I question the timing.

Posted by: wth at April 16, 2019 12:50 PM (v0R5T)

504 495 thanks, Insom.

I knew you'd help with my pecker problem.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (d7Ww2)

Of course. And, of course.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 16, 2019 12:50 PM (NWiLs)

505 Then you'll have no problem cashing this check for $1000i, right?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar


We're imaginary, not stupid.

Posted by: imaginary peeing hookers at April 16, 2019 12:50 PM (e1q4h)

506 No Dept. of Silly Walks? This Williamson chick is slackin'.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 16, 2019 12:51 PM (+/7JY)

507 that will be RIFE with corruption and the money will disappear in endless construction contracts.....

Just as it has since 1160. Have you no respect for tradition?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 16, 2019 12:51 PM (8ZmvG)

508 456 They were throwing priests and nuns in the Seine during the French Revolution and even during the period before the First World War there was a lot of anti Catholicism and anti Clericalism."

yeah but if they sank they were innocent. They were only guilty if they floated.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 16, 2019 12:51 PM (k1TUh)

509

Woodpeckers are cute fo birds.

Perphas if you gave the woodpecker something else to peck, a diversion, if you will.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 16, 2019 12:51 PM (t7dIZ)

510 You didn't go to the link or money would NOT be what you're talking about.
Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (cF8AT)


Can't go to shortened links from work, so no. I based my comment on yours.

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 12:51 PM (IXZGh)

511 Believe me, the Insurance Underwriter for the cathedral will thoroughly investigate the Cause and will not rule any possibilities despite what the French govt and Fake News says.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (t7dIZ)
++++++++
It wouldn't surprise me if it's uninsured. Or, to use the euphemism, if the RCC or the French government (I know the French state owns it, but the RCC operates and maintains it, so I don't know who holds final liability) "self-insured" or in other words were comfortable with the risk of loss.

If the French state is on the hook for liability, then that will be the official and actual story. If the RCC is on the hook for liability, then there will probably be two investigations and if they don't agree then things get interesting...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 16, 2019 12:51 PM (I2dne)

512 I knew you'd help with my pecker problem.


Bob Dole can help you with pecker problems.

Posted by: Bob Dole at April 16, 2019 12:51 PM (v0R5T)

513 I want a Department of Getting Even With the Commies, Liberals and Progressives.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 12:51 PM (+y/Ru)

514 Thousands of people took to the streets of central London on Monday, blockading some of the UK capital's busiest roads and bridges, and gluing themselves to street furniture, to raise the alarm over a mounting climate crisis.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (aKsyK)


Hose them down with nice, icy water. then chain the street furniture together, and leave.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 16, 2019 12:52 PM (x3tTl)

515 nurse, I can't help with the snuggle; would a quick peck help?
Posted by: W. Pecker #2 at April 16, 2019 12:46 PM

******

Suggest you go find a nice supple ash for your pecking pleasure.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 12:52 PM (0tfLf)

516
It. Was. The. Dukes. It. Was. The. Dukes.

Heh, I heard that in Pete Hogwallop's the-ater voice in Oh Brother...
"Do...not...seek...the...treasure...."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 16, 2019 12:52 PM (HaL55)

517 Oh, dear G-d.

The Louis Vitton guy had Gehry design his art museum.

Posted by: Dennis Kucinich at April 16, 2019 12:52 PM (92+HZ)

518 Okay, maybe ace is both fasting and drinking.

Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 12:53 PM (RD7QR)

519 Believe me, the Insurance Underwriter for the
cathedral will thoroughly investigate the Cause and will not rule any
possibilities despite what the French govt and Fake News says.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (t7dIZ)

Ah yes, in a sane society that might be true, BUT IIRC, the Frog Government owns the Cathedral but it is operated by the RCC

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 16, 2019 12:53 PM (f3oO4)

520 464
Can we put off Armageddon until the Redskins win another Super Bowl?
Posted by: joncelli puts on his critical hat at April 16, 2019 12:41 PM (RD7QR)
-----------------------------------
I don't think that one is mentioned in Revelation as a sign of the End Times.
In any case, if the Cubs winning the World Series didn't set things in motion, I don't know what will.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:53 PM (Rxduq)

521 We thought you was a toad.

Posted by: Archer at April 16, 2019 12:53 PM (gmo/4)

522 Thousands of people took to the streets of central London on Monday, blockading some of the UK capital's busiest roads and bridges, and gluing themselves to street furniture, to raise the alarm over a mounting climate crisis.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
----------

It dropped into the 30's here last night. It snowed last week in Charlotte. Over a thousand flights were canceled in Chicago two days ago, on account of snow.

I actually have an ex-NASA acquaintance that now works for NOAA. He scoffs constantly at the 'data' used by the alarmists.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2019 12:53 PM (xSo9G)

523 496 Jesus is the final revelation....not a pope
Mary does not have Jesus ear. She can not grant salvation.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life.....NO MAN comes to God except through Jesus.....your good works do not save you....your good works comes after your salvation which is granted through election, not of anything you did or by any merit of your own.
Relic's have no effect on your blessing or forgiveness of sin. They are as useless now in ashes as they are as relics.
I am sadden by the loss of a beautiful building.....but let's remember....the church is in those that have Jesus as their savior.
Posted by: Joe at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (fYFzF)

Tell us what you think Indulgences are supposed to be about next.

Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:53 PM (mX8Vr)

524 >>Odd, not just the msm and shep, but other Fox people won't even discuss arson either. 24 hour news and they talk about endless nothing, but can't bring it up.
- - - -


For all we know, France has asked news organizations toto do this for national security. Has the MSM covered the yellow vest protests much at al despite this going on every weekend for 20+ weeks?


Look at how NZ responded a few weeks ago to the mosque shootings. Shitting down ISPs, the country's access to sites like 8chan, arresting people who shared the live broadcast of the shooting, etc.. Very heavy handed.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2019 12:54 PM (W+vEI)

525 jackass political faction in Visigothic Spain that let the Moors in to help fight their rivals."

Importing labor.

How does that work out... every time?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 16, 2019 12:07 PM (6qErC)


Ask the Romans. Eventually the imports look around and realize, "Hey, there are too many of us for them to control any more. Let's rock!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 16, 2019 12:54 PM (x3tTl)

526 Thousands of people took to the streets of central London on Monday, blockading some of the UK capital's busiest roads and bridges, and gluing themselves to street furniture, to raise the alarm over a mounting climate crisis.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM (aKsyK)
++++++++++
1) I hope they used organic, Gaia-friendly glue and attached themselves only to locally-sourced, new-growth wooden benches while wearing eco-friendly natural fibers. If not, they're hypocrites.

2) Thousands? Let's take that at face value and not assume the Left is inflating their numbers. How hard can it be to raise a few thousand crazies in a city of about 8 million people?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 16, 2019 12:54 PM (I2dne)

527 >> Then you'll have no problem cashing this check for $1000i, right?

I'll give you a half a check for a $1000.

Show me one half of anything.

Show me a negative number of anything. If 'i' isn't valid, then nothing but the counting numbers are.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 16, 2019 12:54 PM (f1Vqw)

528 *NOOD!*

-Ewok Searchlight

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at April 16, 2019 12:54 PM (Ckg4U)

529 I don't think that one is mentioned in Revelation as a sign of the End Times.
In any case, if the Cubs winning the World Series didn't set things in motion, I don't know what will.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 12:53 PM


******

Mariners winning the Series.
That'll do it.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2019 12:54 PM (0tfLf)

530 I actually have an ex-NASA acquaintance that now works for NOAA. He scoffs constantly at the 'data' used by the alarmists.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2019 12:53 PM (xSo9G)


Then you should tell him to have a talk with whomever is running the NOAA website. It's all alarmist, all the time.

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 12:55 PM (IXZGh)

531 Can't go to shortened links from work, so no. I based my comment on yours.

Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 12:51 PM (IXZGh)


Try this link...

https://apnews.com/
b38af60260d8494eae9a34414ba7075e

Posted by: Tami at April 16, 2019 12:55 PM (cF8AT)

532
The French govt owns the cathedral. Forget it, then.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 16, 2019 12:55 PM (t7dIZ)

533 Please to be helping me with my rucksack?

Posted by: Young and Hot Jamie Lee Curtis at April 16, 2019 12:55 PM (+/7JY)

534 Where's the boss? Is he fasting again?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2019 12:55 PM (O2RFr)

535 Um, Jerusalem's Church was led by James the Just to whom Jesus appeared in a separate revelation 1 cor 15:7
Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 12:29 PM (nRWPy)

Jerusalem started off as the Center of early Christianity and would probably have led to the to a much more Judaic form - except the legions of Vespasian and Titus settled that theological argument in 70 AD when they left Paul and his followers as the Last Men Standing, as far as early Christianity went.

From our viewpoint, it's easy to overlook the fact that the catastrophe of 70 AD would have wiped out about 90% of the early church's leadership figures.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 16, 2019 12:55 PM (k1TUh)

536 Believe me, the Insurance Underwriter for the
cathedral will thoroughly investigate the Cause and will not rule any
possibilities despite what the French govt and Fake News says.

Posted by: Soothsayer
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Hmm. Reminds me of the old radio show 'Johnny Dollar' (get off my lawn!). I think Dollar was an insurance investigator.

Posted by: Jacques Clouseau, Insurance Investigator at April 16, 2019 12:56 PM (xSo9G)

537 If one more Fox "newscaster" says iconic in place of "sacred" I'm going to break the tv.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 12:57 PM (nRWPy)

538 agreed

Posted by: Jonah at April 16, 2019 12:57 PM (HrSJb)

539
Then you should tell him to have a talk with whomever is running the NOAA website. It's all alarmist, all the time.
Posted by: Sponge
-----------

Oh, he is well aware of that. I'm surprised that he hasn't taken to strong drink.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2019 12:58 PM (xSo9G)

540 French tycoons show competitive streak over Notre Dame aid

I think this guy wins....

https://tinyurl.com/y3p8ld83

-
Now, that's a pair of bell towers!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 16, 2019 12:58 PM (+y/Ru)

541 Notre Dame isn't a place, it's a people.

Sorry - confusing with MCU quotes now.

Posted by: theATL at April 16, 2019 12:58 PM (yFgwo)

542 It's like blaming violence on Neo-Nazis, except Nazis were are genuine threat less than a century ago whereas radical secularists were burning down French churches over two hundred years ago.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at April 16, 2019 12:59 PM (NTqg6)

543 Posted by: Joe at April 16, 2019 12:49 PM (fYFzF)

Thanks, Calvin. Now tell me where in scripture Sola Scriptura shows up. Also explain why those in heaven don't have a conversing relationship with Jesus.

Posted by: dagny at April 16, 2019 01:00 PM (nRWPy)

544 461
Odd, not just the msm and shep, but other Fox people won't even discuss
arson either. 24 hour news and they talk about endless nothing, but
can't bring it up.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 16, 2019 12:40 PM (r+sAi)


What they don't want to talk about is the 850 other churches desecrated or damaged.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at April 16, 2019 01:00 PM (A+M5E)

545 Marianne Williamson, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, has proposed the creation of two new federal agencies: the Department of Peace Creation and the Department of Children and Youth.
Posted by: Peter at April 16, 2019 12:13 PM (aKsyK)
-----------------------------------------
I really, really want this woman to get more publicity.
The Dem candidates have already provided us with fine examples of economic idiocy, grasping resentment, and identity follies (complete with the requisite fake "minorities," Warren and Beto.)

We need a sentimental, crystal-juggling spiritualist!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2019 01:00 PM (Rxduq)

546 Johnny Dollar - http://tinyurl.com/y5doubxu :

For over twelve years, from 1949 through 1962 (including a one year hiatus in 1954-1955), this series recounted the cases "the man with the action-packed expense account, America’s fabulous freelance insurance investigator, Johnny Dollar". Johnny was an accomplished 'padder' of his expense account. The name of the show derives from the fact that he closed each show by totaling his expense account, and signing it "End of report... Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar".

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2019 01:01 PM (xSo9G)

547 It. Was. The. Dukes. It. Was. The. Dukes.


Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 16, 2019 12:43 PM (+/7JY)


But you're wearing lederhosen.....



Posted by: Sponge at April 16, 2019 12:45 PM (IXZGh)

No jerky, my son. It gives me the wind.



Posted by: Archer at April 16, 2019 12:47 PM



Would anyone care for a wee jolt of Irish whiskey?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 16, 2019 01:02 PM (p+Wdc)

548 Would anyone care for a wee jolt of Irish whiskey?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

yes please

*extends coffee cup*

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 16, 2019 01:03 PM (d7Ww2)

549
Would anyone care for a wee jolt of Irish whiskey?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
----------


*squints skyward*
Yup, the sun is over the yardarm.
*places glass under USB port*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2019 01:03 PM (xSo9G)

550 nood

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2019 01:04 PM (xSo9G)

551 "Jesus is the way the truth and the life.....NO MAN comes to God except through Jesus.....your good works do not save you" joe

"no man comes to the Father but by me" .... yet there is a resurrection of the just (and of the unjust).

My interpretation is the spirit of sonship (Christ In You, the hope of glory ... ChristIn) ... is the Body of Christ. That still leaves the just and unjust (Bride?).


imo even the OT was based on just or unjust, not bloodline, despite the whole tribe thing. Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that
sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life,
and some to shame and everlasting contempt". Shame due to their actions.


just being in the tribe is not the thing ... Gentiles, law written in their heart, kind of thing. Jews had the law itself, but still a matter of heart, imo.


I'm just not willing to agree with, or live by, a code that says only Christians (good or evil) get heaven/paradise. My fellow patriots are not "the damned" if not Christian (or Christian in name only) ... the are good people fighting for choice.


(but I disagree with much of the institutional church, especially that the OT aways speaking of the cornerstone/foundation being the coming savior, was ever referring to petulant Peter or any man other that JC son of God. (not God the son, the Orwellian twist). JC is THE foundation/rock on which whole body is built.


anyway ... Christians should stand up for Christianity, government should stand up for individual liberty (to choose good or evil).

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2019 01:12 PM (Cus5s)

552 "Tell us what you think Indulgences are supposed to be about next."

Money

Posted by: Joe at April 16, 2019 01:13 PM (fYFzF)

553 Technically speaking Jerusalem doesn't feature all that highly in the Christian tradition. It's not a see of any of the Apostles and was elevated later by a Byzantine emperor.
Posted by: Someguy at April 16, 2019 12:05 PM (HUFx

It was the seat of Christianity at the start and Paul was a fringe player with his desire to work among the non-Jewish population.

Things changed with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD in the Revolt when most of that group was wiped out, or discredited and Paul's way took over.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 16, 2019 01:49 PM (FTPn0)

554 What is the source of the map, please?

Posted by: ameryx at April 16, 2019 01:59 PM (orK+8)

555 Past tense of France: Franc n' Been

Posted by: stumck at April 16, 2019 02:12 PM (lSZIs)

556 For 'Puddin head' in case he was serious;

"Catharism ... from the Greek: ..., katharoi, "the pure [ones]") was a Christian dualist or Gnostic revival movement that thrived in some areas of Southern Europe, particularly what is now northern Italy and southern France, between the 12th and 14th centuries." (wiki).


Btw, "The Cathars were the early prototype Protestants."? "Christian dualist or Gnostic"? Well, if you say so.

Posted by: PhilD at April 16, 2019 03:22 PM (kYeE/)

557 France has a tradition of political atheism and anti-clericalism dating back to the Revolution, when churches were stripped of traditional icons and "the worship of Reason" was imposed. That madness was dropped quickly, but throughout the 1800s there was deep tension between the Church, which was politically allied with the reactionary right, and the liberals (actual classical liberals). The radicals were even more anti-religion. E.g. the Communards of 1871, who torched many churches (including Notre-Dame) during the retaking of the city by the government.
Remember that France has several Communist and para-Communist parties, and that far-left candidates drew about 16% of the vote in 2017 legislative elections.

So it is not absurd to ascribe church vandalism in France to "militant atheists".

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at April 16, 2019 04:08 PM (u9QFQ)

558 I don't know if we'll EVER know for sure what happened.

After all, here in the good ol' USA our President Clinton was not going to have any terrorism on his watch, so the bright streak-of-light and subsequent explosion of TWA flight 800 was officially determined to be static electricity in the hold, or an electrical short in the fuselage, or just-about ANYTHING other than a surface-to-air missile, despite civilian reports and amateur videos describing/ depicting a bright "something" heading TOWARD the aircraft BEFORE it broke up (therefore not fiery detritus resulting from some onboard catastrophe). The FAA and FBI investigated and announced that all the witnesses were simply remembering things backward. "Mechanical problem - case closed."

(Roughly the same thing happened with Steven Paddock, the Las Vegas / Mandalay Bay shooter: "Gee we studied this really hard and we've got no clue; case closed". When Your Gummint wants the facts kept quiet, they have ways of KEEPING the facts quiet.)

France has many-many-many very good reasons to tamp down public sentiment against its unassimilable ... uh, you-know-who ... immigrants. So I am absolutely CERTAIN the verdict will be "Just a Tragic Accident,
let's move on and heal now."

Posted by: Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah at April 16, 2019 09:37 PM (Jp7EC)

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