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The Impossibility Of Repealing The Law Of Unintended Consequences
Here are some interesting data on the actual consequences of plastic bans. The author suggests some ridiculous remedies (fees instead of bans), but at least she is working from actual facts, instead of touchy-feely "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN AND THE WHALES!" emotive crap.
Plastic bag bans can backfire if consumers just use other plastics instead
Governments are increasingly banning the use of plastic products, such as carryout bags, straws, utensils and microbeads. The goal is to reduce the amount of plastic going into landfills and waterways. And the logic is that banning something should make it less abundant. However, this logic falls short if people actually reuse those items instead of buying new ones. For example, so-called "single-use" plastic carryout bags can have a multitude of unseen second lives - as trash bin liners, dog poop bags and storage receptacles. A U.K. government study calculated that a shopper would need to reuse a cotton carryout bag 131 times to reduce its global warming potential - its expected total contribution to climate change - below that of plastic carryout bags used once to carry newly purchased goods. To have less impact on the climate than plastic carryout bags also reused as trash bags, consumers would need to use the cotton bag 327 times.I have a wild idea! Let the free market decide how to deal with the bag issue, and restrict government to simply enforcing the laws against littering.
Comments
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Great. I self-willowed myself.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:16 PM (NWiLs)
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I think the ultimate goal is the elimination of all plastics whatsoever. The Left thought that bags and straws were just quick-wins to get things started.
Posted by: Hands at March 24, 2019 12:17 PM (786Ro)
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Can plastics be made from whale oil?
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:19 PM (NWiLs)
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Leftists never think more than a foot down the road, can't make a smart phone out of wood
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 12:19 PM (BbGew)
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The supermarkets will cease their plastic bag recycling now. My town is going to ban them next year. I took an hour walk around downtown (downstreet in New England parlance) to see how many plastic bags I could count on the ground. Total: One.
Posted by: Little Boomer at March 24, 2019 12:19 PM (6fu25)
Posted by: Hands at March 24, 2019 12:20 PM (786Ro)
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Wrap the children in plastic and feed them to the whales!
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:21 PM (NWiLs)
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This is a perfect example of Enviro-Leftism turning itself into a self-denying religion. None of this makes any actual physical, real world sense - but the adherents are delighted to do this to demonstrate the Purity of their Souls!!!
Most Religions have dietary restrictions and intricate Taboos, of things which are Clean, and those which are Unclean. (Kosher, Halal, etc., etc.)
And so now Leftists are moving into that all the way. They don't know why they do what they do; they don't even care. They just know that they need a way to publicly demonstrate their Virtue to each other, and this way looks as good as anything else.
btw, this is happening at a time when the recycling market nationally and internationally is collapsing, due to huge financial losses. Quite a few cities are still collecting recycled items, and then quietly taking them to the local dump along with all of the other trash, because it now costs too much to do anything else with the stuff.
Most Religions have dietary restrictions and intricate Taboos, of things which are Clean, and those which are Unclean. (Kosher, Halal, etc., etc.)
And so now Leftists are moving into that all the way. They don't know why they do what they do; they don't even care. They just know that they need a way to publicly demonstrate their Virtue to each other, and this way looks as good as anything else.
btw, this is happening at a time when the recycling market nationally and internationally is collapsing, due to huge financial losses. Quite a few cities are still collecting recycled items, and then quietly taking them to the local dump along with all of the other trash, because it now costs too much to do anything else with the stuff.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:21 PM (V2Yro)
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For example, so-called "single-use" plastic carryout bags can have a
multitude of unseen second lives - as trash bin liners, dog poop bags
and storage receptacles.
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I love stuff like this.
I bought an electric vehicle made with all-new parts, child labor, and the requisite shipping instead of finding a used 45mpg Corolla that can be driven for another 200K miles, and I did it because I want to save energy!
multitude of unseen second lives - as trash bin liners, dog poop bags
and storage receptacles.
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I love stuff like this.
I bought an electric vehicle made with all-new parts, child labor, and the requisite shipping instead of finding a used 45mpg Corolla that can be driven for another 200K miles, and I did it because I want to save energy!
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Mexicans are already cutting the barbed wire and reselling it in Mexico at March 24, 2019 12:21 PM (ApUNS)
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I sick of those whale bastards anyway.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 24, 2019 12:22 PM (oVJmc)
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Home and unpacked
Left Norfolk at 4:30 AM
Fuck the left and the SOB Nadler and Shift
Both cock sucking MOTs
Left Norfolk at 4:30 AM
Fuck the left and the SOB Nadler and Shift
Both cock sucking MOTs
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 12:22 PM (Y+V3r)
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Plastic bag bans are incredible stupid. 98% of the plastic in the oceans comes from Aisans countries, not from the US, so it's all just a self-congratulatory savior fantasy to ban them here.
And plastic bags are freakin' USEFUL, which is why they became popular. Especially when it comes to carrying food -- to-go restaurants food, etc. That stuff leaks grease all over the place (especially in states like CA where we've banned plastic food containers too), ruining clothes, car seats, etc. etc.
Frankly, I just love it every time a leftist gets grease on his or her clothes from carrying take-out Chinese food in a cardbpard container and a paper bag. HA ha. Suck it, assholes.
And plastic bags are freakin' USEFUL, which is why they became popular. Especially when it comes to carrying food -- to-go restaurants food, etc. That stuff leaks grease all over the place (especially in states like CA where we've banned plastic food containers too), ruining clothes, car seats, etc. etc.
Frankly, I just love it every time a leftist gets grease on his or her clothes from carrying take-out Chinese food in a cardbpard container and a paper bag. HA ha. Suck it, assholes.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:23 PM (5tb4C)
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"Let the free market decide how to deal with the bag issue, and restrict
government to simply enforcing the laws against littering"
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Heretic! Burn the witch!!
government to simply enforcing the laws against littering"
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Heretic! Burn the witch!!
Posted by: Eco facists with dirty hair at March 24, 2019 12:23 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 12:23 PM (Y+V3r)
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It's funny how our all-items recycling (cough) demand (cough) crashed when China was no longer willing to burn it or pile it up into huge toxic mountains on their mainland.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Mexicans are already cutting the barbed wire and reselling it in Mexico at March 24, 2019 12:24 PM (ApUNS)
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Excuse me, exCUSE me!!
Helloooooo! Over here!!!
Can I have a say on this Globall Warmening topic?
[crickets]
Oh well, nobody pays any attention to me anymore. Lemme see, where did I put those flairs.....
Helloooooo! Over here!!!
Can I have a say on this Globall Warmening topic?
[crickets]
Oh well, nobody pays any attention to me anymore. Lemme see, where did I put those flairs.....
Posted by: The Sun at March 24, 2019 12:25 PM (cY3LT)
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One of the stupidest things to ever recycle was Glass. Do the people who think that's smart even know that Glass is made out of Sand? Omigod, we must prevent the Great Sand Shortage!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:26 PM (V2Yro)
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Let the free market decide how to deal with the bag issue, and restrict government to simply enforcing the laws against littering
I have a story about that...
I have a story about that...
Posted by: Arlo Guthrie at March 24, 2019 12:26 PM (sdi6R)
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I for one think plastic bags are a blight.
Maybe not the plastic bags themselves, but the humans who discard them into the environment, where they end up in trees, fences, power poles, etc. and remain for years. Decades.
Maybe not the plastic bags themselves, but the humans who discard them into the environment, where they end up in trees, fences, power poles, etc. and remain for years. Decades.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 12:26 PM (w7KSn)
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You know what I did when they banned plastic bags here in the Bay Area? I hoarded them. I when to my favorite supermarket (before the ban went into effect) and asked if I could take a whole bunch of their plastic shopping bags. They said :"Take as many as you ant, because we';re going to have to thrown them all out next month." So I swiped about 500 of them (seriously). I pout them in a special "plastic bag box" in my kitchen, which I add to whenever I get my hands on more plastic bags. I still have about 400 of those swiped ones, and I plan to continue using them for every possible purpose for the rest of my life.
YOU CAN HAVE MY PLASTIC BAGS WHEN YOU PRY THEM FROM MY DEAD COLD HANDS.
YOU CAN HAVE MY PLASTIC BAGS WHEN YOU PRY THEM FROM MY DEAD COLD HANDS.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:26 PM (5tb4C)
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I when to = I went to
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:26 PM (5tb4C)
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When they make paper bags that don't rip and spill I will use paper bags, until then, fuck the enviorment
At least that is me
At least that is me
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 12:27 PM (Y+V3r)
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Just ponder if the Pierson Puppeteers decided the early 21st Century is the perfect time to cripples humans by releasing a microbe that destroys all petroleum ...
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 12:28 PM (RJHwk)
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It's funny how our all-items recycling (cough) demand (cough) crashed when China was no longer willing to burn it or pile it up into huge toxic mountains on their mainland.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Mexicans are already cutting the barbed wire and reselling it in Mexico at March 24, 2019 12:24 PM (ApUNS)
I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota or Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A.
For peanuts in cost, miles away from anything that needs preserving or just doesn't want to deal with the smell.
And the end result would be land that eventually is greener and more fertile than it is now.
Take it out of the Earth, put it back into the Earth. What a crazy idea! The folly of it all is humans thinking we're so powerful, we've created, from the Earth, something capable of killing the Earth. That's some really twisted logic there.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Mexicans are already cutting the barbed wire and reselling it in Mexico at March 24, 2019 12:24 PM (ApUNS)
I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota or Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A.
For peanuts in cost, miles away from anything that needs preserving or just doesn't want to deal with the smell.
And the end result would be land that eventually is greener and more fertile than it is now.
Take it out of the Earth, put it back into the Earth. What a crazy idea! The folly of it all is humans thinking we're so powerful, we've created, from the Earth, something capable of killing the Earth. That's some really twisted logic there.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (cY3LT)
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Y'all just trying to muddy the waters with facts and stuff.
Y'all just trying to muddy the waters with facts and stuff.
Posted by: Maxine Waters! at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (jYje5)
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Plastic bags also make excellent crib liners and toys for toddlers.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs)
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Romania is at AIPAC but not the dems. Hum?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (Y+V3r)
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I have a wild idea! Let the free market decide how to deal with the bag
issue, and restrict government to simply enforcing the laws against
littering.
What you're saying is, "Politicians should give up having power over everyone" which is, in fact, a wild idea.
One they will fight tooth and nail against.
issue, and restrict government to simply enforcing the laws against
littering.
What you're saying is, "Politicians should give up having power over everyone" which is, in fact, a wild idea.
One they will fight tooth and nail against.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 24, 2019 12:30 PM (l9m7l)
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I reuse plastic grocery bags a lot - line small trash cans, dog poop piccker upper etc
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 24, 2019 12:30 PM (dm05u)
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Omar was spouting more antisemitic shit before CAIR last night
FUCK and Jew who supports a Dem
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 12:23 PM (Y+V3r)
CAIR. *spit*
FUCK and Jew who supports a Dem
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 12:23 PM (Y+V3r)
CAIR. *spit*
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 12:30 PM (OE84+)
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One of my favorite past times is driving around the more affluent areas in my AO and handing out handfuls of plastic straws out the window to any pedestrians I encounter while yelling "Fight the power!".........
Next week I am gonna hand out sleeves of styrofoam cups to any urban outdoormen who need drink containers. And they need them in spades.
A man can only do so much.
Next week I am gonna hand out sleeves of styrofoam cups to any urban outdoormen who need drink containers. And they need them in spades.
A man can only do so much.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2019 12:31 PM (Z+IKu)
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I began using pseudo milk crates when I go grocery shopping. They actually save me a few step in the whole load cart, unload cart, load cart, load car, take food into house routine. I like step savers.
I also discovered I missed having the plastic bags around, because they inevitably were re-used.
I began using pseudo milk crates when I go grocery shopping. They actually save me a few step in the whole load cart, unload cart, load cart, load car, take food into house routine. I like step savers.
I also discovered I missed having the plastic bags around, because they inevitably were re-used.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 24, 2019 12:32 PM (jYje5)
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17 One of the stupidest things to ever recycle was Glass. Do the people who think that's smart even know that Glass is made out of Sand? Omigod, we must prevent the Great Sand Shortage!!
Posted by: Tom Servo
Interestingly, the entire concept of "recycling" was INVENTED by the Corning Glass Company, which calculated that they could save a few cents per pound in glass manufacture if they simply remelted the bottles they collected back from customers rather than make the glass from scratch. It was purely a capitalistic money-saving strategy at first. But then the left latched onto the idea and proposed recycling other things too. But most of the other categories of recycling never made economic sense. Someone once calculated that if you take into account the "full cost" of recycling aluminum cans -- including all the transportation of collecting the cans in recycling centers and shipping them back to the smelter, sometimes with transoceanic journeys on cargo ships -- that it cost more and created more pollution to recycle one pound of aluminum than it would have cost to simply smelt new aluminum from ore.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Interestingly, the entire concept of "recycling" was INVENTED by the Corning Glass Company, which calculated that they could save a few cents per pound in glass manufacture if they simply remelted the bottles they collected back from customers rather than make the glass from scratch. It was purely a capitalistic money-saving strategy at first. But then the left latched onto the idea and proposed recycling other things too. But most of the other categories of recycling never made economic sense. Someone once calculated that if you take into account the "full cost" of recycling aluminum cans -- including all the transportation of collecting the cans in recycling centers and shipping them back to the smelter, sometimes with transoceanic journeys on cargo ships -- that it cost more and created more pollution to recycle one pound of aluminum than it would have cost to simply smelt new aluminum from ore.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:32 PM (5tb4C)
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Didn't markets start rplacing paper bags with plastic ones, because the environmentalist siad that the paper bags were bad? Had to cut down trees to make them, ya' know.
Posted by: Charodey at March 24, 2019 12:33 PM (g7WTU)
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Yes, we need government laws on many things ... littering and pollution should be constrained. The "free market" often leads to great solutions, but it indeed does need law to define constraints.
Food Quality is one area where law has given us very safe food. imo we do need the inspectors, and there can be a lot of improvements that work their way into law. (an episode of Northern Exposure comes to mind, where the inspector admires Holling's old wood cutting board, but says it is obsolete)
Our problem is commies and globalists infiltrate everything with their alternate hidden agenda (total control). Tony Heller covers that quite well in his latest excellent expose on The Climate Industrial Complex.
https://tinyurl.com/y5bhfg3e
Food Quality is one area where law has given us very safe food. imo we do need the inspectors, and there can be a lot of improvements that work their way into law. (an episode of Northern Exposure comes to mind, where the inspector admires Holling's old wood cutting board, but says it is obsolete)
Our problem is commies and globalists infiltrate everything with their alternate hidden agenda (total control). Tony Heller covers that quite well in his latest excellent expose on The Climate Industrial Complex.
https://tinyurl.com/y5bhfg3e
Posted by: illiniwek at March 24, 2019 12:34 PM (Cus5s)
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At age 29, I'm old enough to remember when we had to stop using paper bags and switch to plastic to save da earf.
Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 12:34 PM (OMsf+)
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that it cost more and created more pollution to
recycle one pound of aluminum than it would have cost to simply smelt
new aluminum from ore.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:32 PM (5tb4C)
I doubt that very much. Aluminum manufacture is very energy-intensive, and remelting recycled aluminum doesn't take nearly as much energy.
recycle one pound of aluminum than it would have cost to simply smelt
new aluminum from ore.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:32 PM (5tb4C)
I doubt that very much. Aluminum manufacture is very energy-intensive, and remelting recycled aluminum doesn't take nearly as much energy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:34 PM (wYseH)
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good lord, zombie, they threw out brand new plastic bags?
good thing ypu rescued them
good thing ypu rescued them
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 24, 2019 12:34 PM (dm05u)
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I bought a canvas shopping bag a few years ago, and I like it. I carry it in my car. It can hold much more weight than paper or plastic bags.
But I still put meat and produce in plastic bags before putting them in my canvas bag.
And I occasionally request paper bags because I use them to hold my paper recyclables. When full, I put them out on the curb.
But I agree with the post: Stop banning things and let people make their own choices in the free market.
But I still put meat and produce in plastic bags before putting them in my canvas bag.
And I occasionally request paper bags because I use them to hold my paper recyclables. When full, I put them out on the curb.
But I agree with the post: Stop banning things and let people make their own choices in the free market.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (sdi6R)
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Not to mention the reusable bags have to be washed every so often; the cloth ones in hot water to kill off bacteria.
By now, everyone should know that the recycling industry is a bust. China, once home to most of our used recyclables, now has a sign out front that sez no dead container storage. Print newspapers and magazines are fast disappearing.
The most shocking latest news is about aluminum cans. The smelters are beginning to turn them down as a feed source, as they produce an inferior grade of Al. Purchasers are increasingly specifying 'aircraft grade' Al. So the used cans are piling up.
So right now, about the only useful stuff in the recycle bins is steel. It can be sorted easily with a magnet, so labor costs are low.
Go figure, huh?
By now, everyone should know that the recycling industry is a bust. China, once home to most of our used recyclables, now has a sign out front that sez no dead container storage. Print newspapers and magazines are fast disappearing.
The most shocking latest news is about aluminum cans. The smelters are beginning to turn them down as a feed source, as they produce an inferior grade of Al. Purchasers are increasingly specifying 'aircraft grade' Al. So the used cans are piling up.
So right now, about the only useful stuff in the recycle bins is steel. It can be sorted easily with a magnet, so labor costs are low.
Go figure, huh?
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (Z4rgH)
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Yes. Cutting down trees was Bad--even though paper companies had their own tree plantations. It was "Save the Trees!" and use plastic bags. It is darkly amusing to me to see stores going back to paper bags, or even worse cotton bags. Cotton is not kind to the soil.
Posted by: Lirio100 at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (JK7Jw)
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my recycler doesn't take aluminum
dunno why
dunno why
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (dm05u)
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Plastic bags also make excellent crib liners and toys for toddlers.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs)
Makes good pacifiers for colicky babies too! Nothing sooths them better than the smooth, cool texture.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs)
Makes good pacifiers for colicky babies too! Nothing sooths them better than the smooth, cool texture.
Posted by: Ralph Maimway at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (cY3LT)
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we had to stop using paper bags and switch to plastic to save da earf.
Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 12:34 PM (OMsf+)
Yes, because it is impossible to regrow trees once we cut them down to make paper.
Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 12:34 PM (OMsf+)
Yes, because it is impossible to regrow trees once we cut them down to make paper.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (wYseH)
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They brought plastic bags in to save the trees from paper bags. Grocery stores politely asked you if you wanted paper or plastic during the transition and didn't even throw you in jail.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 12:36 PM (K22Va)
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Here is another wild idea:
Let's stop pretending as a society that the Sun has no effect on the temperature of the Earth.
Let's stop pretending as a society that the Sun has no effect on the temperature of the Earth.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2019 12:36 PM (2eKoI)
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"I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota or
Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that
would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and
consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A."
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I'm familiar with a family owned landfill in NE Ohio that accepts trash from all over the east coast. Loads (get it?) of trash every day from PA, NJ and NY as well as locally. The township charges a small fee for each load and as a result, have the best roads and infrastructure in OH. Everyone there loves the landfill. They know where the $s come from.
Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that
would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and
consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A."
-----
I'm familiar with a family owned landfill in NE Ohio that accepts trash from all over the east coast. Loads (get it?) of trash every day from PA, NJ and NY as well as locally. The township charges a small fee for each load and as a result, have the best roads and infrastructure in OH. Everyone there loves the landfill. They know where the $s come from.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 12:36 PM (Y4EXg)
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Plastic bags also make excellent crib liners and toys for toddlers.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs)
Makes good pacifiers for colicky babies too! Nothing sooths them better than the smooth, cool texture.
Posted by: Ralph Maimway at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (cY3LT)
Shoot! I meant glass.
Not plastic.
People will think I'm some sort of maniac here.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs)
Makes good pacifiers for colicky babies too! Nothing sooths them better than the smooth, cool texture.
Posted by: Ralph Maimway at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (cY3LT)
Shoot! I meant glass.
Not plastic.
People will think I'm some sort of maniac here.
Posted by: Ralph Maimway at March 24, 2019 12:36 PM (cY3LT)
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At age 29, I'm old enough to remember when we had to stop using paper bags and switch to plastic to save da earf.
Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 12:34 PM (OMsf+)
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Me too, proving that it was never about conserving anything.
Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 12:34 PM (OMsf+)
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Me too, proving that it was never about conserving anything.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 12:37 PM (ffYR/)
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17 Actually glass is easy to recycle, there use to be a glass company in my hometown( my grandfather was a real glass blower there, my grandmother worked there for decades) glass gets melted down like steel would.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 12:37 PM (BbGew)
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Hammer, the poor bastard, relies on plastic shopping bags to hold scooped litter. I wonder what he would do without them? Buy bags, I expect, but you never know with him.
Posted by: Mike Hammer's Cat at March 24, 2019 12:38 PM (CDGwz)
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357 The guy that did Captains Quarters went over to Hot Air which is a hot mess of Never Trump.
Posted by: Tuna at March 24, 2019 11:47 AM (jm1YL)
Aluminum used to be the only thing that actually made financial sense to recycle. But now international aluminum prices have collapsed due to oversupply, and collecting, melting down and repurposing used aluminum now costs more than it does to simply buy brand new aluminum supplies on the open market.
Posted by: Tuna at March 24, 2019 11:47 AM (jm1YL)
Aluminum used to be the only thing that actually made financial sense to recycle. But now international aluminum prices have collapsed due to oversupply, and collecting, melting down and repurposing used aluminum now costs more than it does to simply buy brand new aluminum supplies on the open market.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:38 PM (V2Yro)
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Shoot! I meant glass.
Not plastic.
People will think I'm some sort of maniac here.
Glass makes for a great toy, as well.
https://youtu.be/veMiNQifZcM
Not plastic.
People will think I'm some sort of maniac here.
Glass makes for a great toy, as well.
https://youtu.be/veMiNQifZcM
Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 12:38 PM (OMsf+)
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Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 12:37 PM (BbGew)
I think you are correct, but the cost to manufacture new glass is low enough that recycling is an iffy financial decision.
I think you are correct, but the cost to manufacture new glass is low enough that recycling is an iffy financial decision.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:38 PM (wYseH)
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Cotton is not kind to the soil.
Posted by: Lirio100 at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (JK7Jw)
Also hard to find good, cheap labor to pick it.
Posted by: Lirio100 at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (JK7Jw)
Also hard to find good, cheap labor to pick it.
Posted by: King Kotton at March 24, 2019 12:38 PM (cY3LT)
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This got willowed:
405 In the bibliography, Cox lists two Wilmott books:
Empires in the Balance: Japanese and Allied Pacific Strategies to April 1942 and The Barrier and the Javelin: Japanese and Allied Pacific Strategies to February to June 1942. Both US Naval Institute Press. 1982 and 1983 respectively.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 12:21 PM (RJHwk)
____
Yes. I couldn't remember the titles. But I liked them; he also did a decent book on the Brit Eastern Fleet - again I don't exactly recall the title, Grave of 100 Schemes or something like that.
But I bought the first 2 volumes of his Last Century of Naval War, and was shocked. I don't know anything that happened to him, but I have to assume it was a stroke or Alzheimer's or something like that. He's a professional writer of naval history, after all; there's no excuse.
(I am also critical of Keegan and VDH when they write of naval subjects, but give them something of a pass because it's outside their actual areas. But Wilmott, no. Something broke.)
405 In the bibliography, Cox lists two Wilmott books:
Empires in the Balance: Japanese and Allied Pacific Strategies to April 1942 and The Barrier and the Javelin: Japanese and Allied Pacific Strategies to February to June 1942. Both US Naval Institute Press. 1982 and 1983 respectively.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 12:21 PM (RJHwk)
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Yes. I couldn't remember the titles. But I liked them; he also did a decent book on the Brit Eastern Fleet - again I don't exactly recall the title, Grave of 100 Schemes or something like that.
But I bought the first 2 volumes of his Last Century of Naval War, and was shocked. I don't know anything that happened to him, but I have to assume it was a stroke or Alzheimer's or something like that. He's a professional writer of naval history, after all; there's no excuse.
(I am also critical of Keegan and VDH when they write of naval subjects, but give them something of a pass because it's outside their actual areas. But Wilmott, no. Something broke.)
Posted by: Eeyore at March 24, 2019 12:39 PM (VaN/j)
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so sometimes ai like to use a straw when drinking coffee (if you are walking or driving it's much more convenient)
so I got a coffee at the Nordstom.coffee bar to walk around with
they now habe a weird straw - looks plastic but starts deforming almost at once
some kind of eco conscious thing
so I got a coffee at the Nordstom.coffee bar to walk around with
they now habe a weird straw - looks plastic but starts deforming almost at once
some kind of eco conscious thing
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 24, 2019 12:39 PM (dm05u)
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don't know how the misquote popped in there, that was supposed to be a response as to why some recyclers won't take aluminum cans anymore.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:39 PM (V2Yro)
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Actually glass is easy to recycle, there use to be a glass company in my hometown( my grandfather was a real glass blower there, my grandmother worked there for decades) glass gets melted down like steel would.
Posted by: Skip
Skip, it wasn't Streator Illinois by any chance was it?
Posted by: Skip
Skip, it wasn't Streator Illinois by any chance was it?
Posted by: Bruce at March 24, 2019 12:39 PM (8ikIW)
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Use plastic, save a tree!
Posted by: 70's Eco war cry at March 24, 2019 12:39 PM (CDGwz)
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Yes, because it is impossible to regrow trees once we cut them down to make paper.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM
That's something else, too. Tree's have an optimum CO2 collecting and oxygen producing height. When they're maxed out in height they no longer are as efficient for the real estate they're hogging.
Another case of if the left really believed their CO2 hysteria they'd be in favor of clearing old growth forests. Or at least thinning them out.
Yes, because it is impossible to regrow trees once we cut them down to make paper.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM
That's something else, too. Tree's have an optimum CO2 collecting and oxygen producing height. When they're maxed out in height they no longer are as efficient for the real estate they're hogging.
Another case of if the left really believed their CO2 hysteria they'd be in favor of clearing old growth forests. Or at least thinning them out.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 24, 2019 12:40 PM (jYje5)
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In my neighborhood, plastic grocery bags were called 'matched luggage' to go with black (with the ties) plastic and white plastic bags for moving. Tsk, tsk -- we didn't buy boxes (again raping mama gaia). What a load of nonsense.
I guess everyone has Louis Vuitton for cargo.
I guess everyone has Louis Vuitton for cargo.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 24, 2019 12:40 PM (MIKMs)
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"I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota or
Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that
would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and
consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A."
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I'm familiar with a family owned landfill in NE Ohio that accepts trash from all over the east coast. Loads (get it?) of trash every day from PA, NJ and NY as well as locally. The township charges a small fee for each load and as a result, have the best roads and infrastructure in OH. Everyone there loves the landfill. They know where the $s come from.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 12:36 PM (Y4EXg)
Glad to hear it. Good for the locals.
I bet the east coasters have no idea. They're still picturing all their plastic straws and sporks and bags being forced fed to baby whales.
Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that
would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and
consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A."
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I'm familiar with a family owned landfill in NE Ohio that accepts trash from all over the east coast. Loads (get it?) of trash every day from PA, NJ and NY as well as locally. The township charges a small fee for each load and as a result, have the best roads and infrastructure in OH. Everyone there loves the landfill. They know where the $s come from.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 12:36 PM (Y4EXg)
Glad to hear it. Good for the locals.
I bet the east coasters have no idea. They're still picturing all their plastic straws and sporks and bags being forced fed to baby whales.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:41 PM (cY3LT)
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Another case of if the left really believed their CO2 hysteria they'd be in favor of clearing old growth forests. Or at least thinning them out.
Posted by: Newest Nic
So my hair is now absorbing peak CO2. That's good to know
Posted by: Newest Nic
So my hair is now absorbing peak CO2. That's good to know
Posted by: Bruce at March 24, 2019 12:41 PM (8ikIW)
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Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:38 PM (V2Yro)
I'm not so sure of that. Aluminum prices took a dip recently, but they are still way above what they were.
I'm not so sure of that. Aluminum prices took a dip recently, but they are still way above what they were.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:41 PM (wYseH)
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GregGutfeld
@greggutfeld
CNN asking if the hype over collusion has been in "overdrive," pretending as if they're simply spectators. their blind spot is so large its swallowed them whole.
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Old and busted: Was CNN lying then or are they lying now?
New hotness: CNN was !ying then and is lying now.
@greggutfeld
CNN asking if the hype over collusion has been in "overdrive," pretending as if they're simply spectators. their blind spot is so large its swallowed them whole.
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Old and busted: Was CNN lying then or are they lying now?
New hotness: CNN was !ying then and is lying now.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 24, 2019 12:41 PM (+y/Ru)
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I have a friend in who worked in waste disposal. He said there was simply no economical way to sort plastics which were recycled, but as that was needed, it was a drain on such companies.
His suggestion was that we have convicts do it. And let someone make a profit off things like license plates.
His suggestion was that we have convicts do it. And let someone make a profit off things like license plates.
Posted by: Eeyore at March 24, 2019 12:42 PM (VaN/j)
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Snapple uses plastic bottles now, instead of glass
shame
shame
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 24, 2019 12:42 PM (dm05u)
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Cotton is not kind to the soil.
Posted by: Lirio100 at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (JK7Jw)
Also hard to find good, cheap labor to pick it.
Posted by: King Kotton
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When them cotton bolls get rotten, you can't pick very much cotton...
Actually, I'm pretty sure that any mention of cotton at all is racist.
Posted by: Lirio100 at March 24, 2019 12:35 PM (JK7Jw)
Also hard to find good, cheap labor to pick it.
Posted by: King Kotton
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When them cotton bolls get rotten, you can't pick very much cotton...
Actually, I'm pretty sure that any mention of cotton at all is racist.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:42 PM (CDGwz)
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Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 12:37 PM (BbGew)
I think you are correct, but the cost to manufacture new glass is low enough that recycling is an iffy financial decision.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:38 PM (wYseH)
I know it was true some years ago, I'm not sure if it still is, virtually everything other than aluminum was a net loss to recycle.
I think you are correct, but the cost to manufacture new glass is low enough that recycling is an iffy financial decision.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:38 PM (wYseH)
I know it was true some years ago, I'm not sure if it still is, virtually everything other than aluminum was a net loss to recycle.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:43 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 12:43 PM (aKsyK)
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And don't forget to use a few gallons of water to get your recyclables squeaky clean.
Otherwise we ship it to China
Otherwise we ship it to China
Posted by: Bruce at March 24, 2019 12:43 PM (8ikIW)
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I'm not sure how long any global over-supply of aluminum will last. Venezuela ''bricked'' a bunch of their aluminum plants when they lost power last month.
If there continues to be an oversupply even with that shortfall the economics of repairing those plants is gonna disappear.
But isn't socialism the greatest?
I'm not sure how long any global over-supply of aluminum will last. Venezuela ''bricked'' a bunch of their aluminum plants when they lost power last month.
If there continues to be an oversupply even with that shortfall the economics of repairing those plants is gonna disappear.
But isn't socialism the greatest?
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 24, 2019 12:43 PM (jYje5)
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Heh. Took wifey to Hacienda restaurant in N. Indiana a few months back. There was an 11x18 handbill posted in the lobby proudly proclaiming that this establishment was a 'straw-free zone' (well, you had to ASK for a straw). When we sat down I made sure every patron in the dining heard me say 'can anyone tell me how a straw disposed of in a landfill in Indiana can find its way to the Pacific Ocean and lodged in a sea-turtle's nose!?" There were a few guffaws.
Plastic bags are a byproduct of natural gas distillation and has a net-zero energy impact. Paper bags are from fucking trees that are a renewable resource harvested from pulp timber every 12-14 years. Only a libtarded idiot thinks we cut down 200 year-old old growth Doug Fir (home to the Spotted Owl) for paper bags and ass-wipe.
Plastic bags are a byproduct of natural gas distillation and has a net-zero energy impact. Paper bags are from fucking trees that are a renewable resource harvested from pulp timber every 12-14 years. Only a libtarded idiot thinks we cut down 200 year-old old growth Doug Fir (home to the Spotted Owl) for paper bags and ass-wipe.
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at March 24, 2019 12:43 PM (sk0so)
75
Jerry The Fat Nadler was just on Fox saying he wants ALL the report released and ALL the documents released.
So the gameplan is to drumbeat this talking point into the ground, knowing full well that some of the supporting documents are covered under national security and some are covered by grand jury secrecy.
So the plan is to reject the report when these docs aren't released and scream "COVERUP COVERUP COVERUP" at the top of their lungs.
Sorry, but Democrats have devolved into despicable, power hungry, lowlife scumbags.
So the gameplan is to drumbeat this talking point into the ground, knowing full well that some of the supporting documents are covered under national security and some are covered by grand jury secrecy.
So the plan is to reject the report when these docs aren't released and scream "COVERUP COVERUP COVERUP" at the top of their lungs.
Sorry, but Democrats have devolved into despicable, power hungry, lowlife scumbags.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (T09ml)
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I use my recycle bin to store wood for my smoker. Always knew it was bullshit. Peal labels and wash out cans before it all goes in the same hole. And pay to have them do it?
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (K22Va)
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Anyone who has a dog "recycles" plastic grocery bags, anyway.
Posted by: Eeyore at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (VaN/j)
78
what happened to the old system of getting a deposit back.when you brought an empty soda bottle back to the store?
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (dm05u)
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Old and busted: Was CNN lying then or are they lying now?
New hotness: CNN was !ying then and is lying now.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler
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Hypocrisy is the lubricant of all Left/Prog/Lib/Dem social intercourse.
New hotness: CNN was !ying then and is lying now.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler
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Hypocrisy is the lubricant of all Left/Prog/Lib/Dem social intercourse.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (CDGwz)
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (Z4rgH)
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People will think I'm some sort of maniac here.
Posted by: Ralph Maimway
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Dude, you'll have to try harder to stand out here.
Posted by: Ralph Maimway
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Dude, you'll have to try harder to stand out here.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (Y4EXg)
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Same frat students at Georgia UGA are in the process of having their life destroyed for some (allegedly) racist video in which they (allegedly) mock slavery and say the forbidden n-word. (The word allegedly is not used in the current MSM attack, that is my addition.)
These kids will pay heavily for their indiscretion and bad-think. Also to make up for the Covington and Chicago fiascos. Their secret KKK racist cells has been exposed.
These kids will pay heavily for their indiscretion and bad-think. Also to make up for the Covington and Chicago fiascos. Their secret KKK racist cells has been exposed.
Posted by: Ripley at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (MxEKc)
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I think we could solve this problem quickly if we started making bags from the pelts of environmentalists.
Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at March 24, 2019 12:45 PM (jp0Bv)
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When them cotton bolls get rotten, you can't pick very much cotton...
Actually, I'm pretty sure that any mention of cotton at all is racist.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:42 PM (CDGwz)
My eye!
Actually, I'm pretty sure that any mention of cotton at all is racist.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:42 PM (CDGwz)
My eye!
Posted by: Joe at March 24, 2019 12:45 PM (NWiLs)
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I know it was true some years ago, I'm not sure if it still is, virtually everything other than aluminum was a net loss to recycle.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:43 PM (cY3LT)
Oops! Already covered above.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:43 PM (cY3LT)
Oops! Already covered above.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:45 PM (cY3LT)
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My grandmother ( not related to my grandfather who worked there) use to have the job inspecting bottles rolled down the conveyor, those that didn't pass got thrown into bins that of course we're recycled immediately. Only thing was to keep colors seperate, they were already recycling so other piles were not a issue. As kids we collected and took them there on Saturday and you would get cash for every pound.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 12:45 PM (BbGew)
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I've noticed that the bit about plastic bags not being biodegradable is nonsense. I stuck some odds and ends in my attic in a a few plastic bags and forgot about it - 5 years later, all of those bags were crumbling to dust as soon as I touched them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:46 PM (V2Yro)
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We gave up on cooperating with the city's recycling years ago. An old woman who lived down the street failed to fill her bin exactly as instructed. So, not only did they not pick it up, they dumped it on her lawn.
F**k them. With a broken baseball bat.
F**k them. With a broken baseball bat.
Posted by: Eeyore at March 24, 2019 12:46 PM (VaN/j)
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I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota
or Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that
would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and
consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A.
Much of the west (Arizona) has already ceded control to the Feds. Start shipping the shit out there.
I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota
or Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that
would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and
consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A.
Much of the west (Arizona) has already ceded control to the Feds. Start shipping the shit out there.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 24, 2019 12:46 PM (oVJmc)
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what happened to the old system of getting a deposit back.when you brought an empty soda bottle back to the store?
Posted by: votermom
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That was actually the policy of the soft drink bottlers. Buying the bottles back, and reusing them was less expensive than making new bottles. Cans changed that.
The mandatory deposits as required by some states is not a response to market/economic forces, but rather an anti-litter enforcement method.
Posted by: votermom
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That was actually the policy of the soft drink bottlers. Buying the bottles back, and reusing them was less expensive than making new bottles. Cans changed that.
The mandatory deposits as required by some states is not a response to market/economic forces, but rather an anti-litter enforcement method.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)
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Vegan yarn is now available. Big deal being made for using "natural" fibers from plants--no animal fiber. Problem is most are highly processed, after reading how bamboo yarn was generally processed I don't buy it. Natural colored cotton is becoming popular, no nasty dyes...
Posted by: Lirio100 at March 24, 2019 12:48 PM (JK7Jw)
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Posted by: GnuBreed at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (Z4rgH)
Interesting. So the market has spoken! But with decreased supply of can material I'll bet someone will step in.
Interesting. So the market has spoken! But with decreased supply of can material I'll bet someone will step in.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:48 PM (wYseH)
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would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota or Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A.
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I remember reading a doctoral thesis a couple of years ago that accidentally pointed out that, using only current technologies, all of the United States trash could be kept and safely managed in a landfill the size of a small to medium sized county. I remember Durham, NC being almost exactly the right size.
All of it. Everything.
Find a small and sparsely populated County and either buy them out or give the residents "royalties" when they leave. A dime per household per month for trash disposal would probably make a few thousand people extremely motivated to move.
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I remember reading a doctoral thesis a couple of years ago that accidentally pointed out that, using only current technologies, all of the United States trash could be kept and safely managed in a landfill the size of a small to medium sized county. I remember Durham, NC being almost exactly the right size.
All of it. Everything.
Find a small and sparsely populated County and either buy them out or give the residents "royalties" when they leave. A dime per household per month for trash disposal would probably make a few thousand people extremely motivated to move.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 12:48 PM (xyung)
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It's for the children OF the whales!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 12:43 PM (aKsyK)
You know who really benefits?
The whales are choking on the plastic, humans are killing each other over who is a more devoted recycler.
Meanwhile, the dolphins wait. With a cackle and a smirk.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 12:43 PM (aKsyK)
You know who really benefits?
The whales are choking on the plastic, humans are killing each other over who is a more devoted recycler.
Meanwhile, the dolphins wait. With a cackle and a smirk.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:49 PM (cY3LT)
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Jerry The Fat Nadler was just on Fox saying he wants ALL the report released and ALL the documents released.
Okay, Jerry. When you release all the beneficiaries of the House's Sex Harassment Hush Money.
Jerry The Fat Nadler was just on Fox saying he wants ALL the report released and ALL the documents released.
Okay, Jerry. When you release all the beneficiaries of the House's Sex Harassment Hush Money.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 24, 2019 12:49 PM (oVJmc)
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The mandatory deposits as required by some states is not a response to market/economic forces, but rather an anti-litter enforcement method.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)
Those deposit surcharges are a profit center for the state.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)
Those deposit surcharges are a profit center for the state.
Posted by: DR.WTF at March 24, 2019 12:49 PM (aS1PU)
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59 No, I'm in Pa, the company is gone now but use to be the Diamond Glass co, there mark was a diamond on the bottom. They made bottles at the time most of you would see if you looked, ketchup, pickles almost anything coming in bottles.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 12:49 PM (BbGew)
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>>>For example, so-called "single-use" plastic carryout bags can have a multitude of unseen second lives - as trash bin liners, dog poop bags and storage receptacles.
I use the grocery bags for all that and more.
Pollution/waste reduction efforts used to focus on the mantra,
"Reduce, reuse, recycle" which coincidentally make good business sense.
Now it is outlawing what is found to be personable objectionable and "recycle" under ultimately the threat of the gun. Lived a short time in one locality where I had so little trash the recycle never had much of anything in it and received a formal notice that if I don't start 'recycling' I will be fined. What am I supposed to do, strat guying cases of bottled water and newspaper just so I can put them into the recycle bin to avoid a fine?
.... nah, moved out a week later.
I use the grocery bags for all that and more.
Pollution/waste reduction efforts used to focus on the mantra,
"Reduce, reuse, recycle" which coincidentally make good business sense.
Now it is outlawing what is found to be personable objectionable and "recycle" under ultimately the threat of the gun. Lived a short time in one locality where I had so little trash the recycle never had much of anything in it and received a formal notice that if I don't start 'recycling' I will be fined. What am I supposed to do, strat guying cases of bottled water and newspaper just so I can put them into the recycle bin to avoid a fine?
.... nah, moved out a week later.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 24, 2019 12:50 PM (1g7ch)
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78
what happened to the old system of getting a deposit back.when you brought an empty soda bottle back to the store?
3 cents each for regular bottles and a nickle for quarts here. Kept us in candy money as kids. Penny candy stores are long gone too now, shit I'm getting old.
what happened to the old system of getting a deposit back.when you brought an empty soda bottle back to the store?
3 cents each for regular bottles and a nickle for quarts here. Kept us in candy money as kids. Penny candy stores are long gone too now, shit I'm getting old.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 12:50 PM (K22Va)
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37 that it cost more and created more pollution to
recycle one pound of aluminum than it would have cost to simply smelt
new aluminum from ore.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:32 PM (5tb4C)
I doubt that very much. Aluminum manufacture is very energy-intensive, and remelting recycled aluminum doesn't take nearly as much energy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
True, making aluminum from scratch is energy intensive -- but if you trace the amount of effort and energy it takes to get a used aluminum can back to the smelter, it turns out to use even MORE energy. For home recycling, a person has to save the can, then put it out in front of the house, then a big garbage truck has to drive around all day picking up pitiful amounts of cans from individual homes, then drive it back to a local recycling center, where machines (energy usage) have to sort them and then ship them to a regional recycling center (on trucks), then they are crushed (more machines, more energy) onto bales, then put on more trucks and driven long-distance to shipping ports, then loaded onto ships (more energy) and shipped across the ocean to China (more energy), and then trucked (more energy) to smelting plants, smelted back to raw aluminum (more energy), then shipped back to t he port (more energy) then shipped back across the ocean, etc. etc. etc.
Overall, it was calculated, that as energy-intensive as aluminum smelting-forom-ore was, recycling aluminum actually consumed more energy, if you took into account the full hidden energy expenditures..
recycle one pound of aluminum than it would have cost to simply smelt
new aluminum from ore.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:32 PM (5tb4C)
I doubt that very much. Aluminum manufacture is very energy-intensive, and remelting recycled aluminum doesn't take nearly as much energy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
True, making aluminum from scratch is energy intensive -- but if you trace the amount of effort and energy it takes to get a used aluminum can back to the smelter, it turns out to use even MORE energy. For home recycling, a person has to save the can, then put it out in front of the house, then a big garbage truck has to drive around all day picking up pitiful amounts of cans from individual homes, then drive it back to a local recycling center, where machines (energy usage) have to sort them and then ship them to a regional recycling center (on trucks), then they are crushed (more machines, more energy) onto bales, then put on more trucks and driven long-distance to shipping ports, then loaded onto ships (more energy) and shipped across the ocean to China (more energy), and then trucked (more energy) to smelting plants, smelted back to raw aluminum (more energy), then shipped back to t he port (more energy) then shipped back across the ocean, etc. etc. etc.
Overall, it was calculated, that as energy-intensive as aluminum smelting-forom-ore was, recycling aluminum actually consumed more energy, if you took into account the full hidden energy expenditures..
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:50 PM (5tb4C)
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A plastic bag tax would simply go into the pocket of leftist front groups, then funneled back into the campaigns of more democrats. How many taxes and bribes does the democrat party already collect?
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2019 12:50 PM (EP4dc)
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Still recycle here, the trash pickup companies need to use a separate truck to collect from the bins. Fuel for those special trucks probably costs more than the recovery from recycles. Here in Cuomo country, I expect a ban on plastic bags by next year, hes so smart. Cuomo also wants to add the nickle deposit on almost every container used.....idiot.
Posted by: Colin at March 24, 2019 12:51 PM (4QazF)
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Holy crap, someone in Atlanta used the n-word?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 12:51 PM (xyung)
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How many taxes and bribes does the democrat party already collect?
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2019 12:50 PM (EP4dc)
All of them.
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2019 12:50 PM (EP4dc)
All of them.
Posted by: DR.WTF at March 24, 2019 12:51 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 12:52 PM (xyung)
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38 good lord, zombie, they threw out brand new plastic bags?
good thing ypu rescued them
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot
Every supermarket in the entire Bay Area had to throw out millions of plastic bags, as they were deemed illegal.
good thing ypu rescued them
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot
Every supermarket in the entire Bay Area had to throw out millions of plastic bags, as they were deemed illegal.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:52 PM (5tb4C)
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I remember Durham, NC being almost exactly the right size.
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Heh. Besides, it's already sludge swamp.
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Heh. Besides, it's already sludge swamp.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:52 PM (CDGwz)
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Loving County, Texas - 677 square miles, total population, 134 people as of 2017.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:52 PM (V2Yro)
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that it cost more and created more pollution to recycle one pound of aluminum than it would have cost to simply smelt new aluminum from ore.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:32 PM (5tb4C)
A golf buddy runs a junkyard. China ain't taking it anymore. They're paying $0.16 for cans.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 12:32 PM (5tb4C)
A golf buddy runs a junkyard. China ain't taking it anymore. They're paying $0.16 for cans.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 12:52 PM (OE84+)
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We've only got 12 years left if we don't ban plastic straws now.
Posted by: AOC at March 24, 2019 12:53 PM (oVJmc)
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The most plastic trash I see along the roads here, is on the freeways. It blows off the recycle trucks going to the recyclers
Posted by: Bruce at March 24, 2019 12:53 PM (8ikIW)
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The grocery stores make the plastic bags thinner and thinner. I think the bean counters told them they could save half a penny and it would also encourage people to bring their own bags. Yes, some bring their own bags, but most people use the plastic bags and now they have to use two.
I heard the straw nonsense is complete crap. They are picking one tiny thing to make a show while ignoring massive uses of plastic.
Look, I really don't mind recycling but from what I hear most of this is BS. There are private companies making a killing on recycling and we are doing half their work. We are doing their work so that we feel good, and they do the rest to make a kiling. There is a reason Waste Management has been such a solid company for so long.
And then you go outside a blue enclave and people still use dumps and don't have any recycling pick up at all.
If we are are serious about recycling get rid of bottled water and go back to the returnable beer and Coke bottles. Hell, I really don't know if those even make a difference. It makes sense but that does not mean the numbers add up., How about they show us the numbers?
I heard the straw nonsense is complete crap. They are picking one tiny thing to make a show while ignoring massive uses of plastic.
Look, I really don't mind recycling but from what I hear most of this is BS. There are private companies making a killing on recycling and we are doing half their work. We are doing their work so that we feel good, and they do the rest to make a kiling. There is a reason Waste Management has been such a solid company for so long.
And then you go outside a blue enclave and people still use dumps and don't have any recycling pick up at all.
If we are are serious about recycling get rid of bottled water and go back to the returnable beer and Coke bottles. Hell, I really don't know if those even make a difference. It makes sense but that does not mean the numbers add up., How about they show us the numbers?
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2019 12:53 PM (n13/j)
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"Holy crap, someone in Atlanta used the n-word?
Posted by: Moron Robbie"
About an hour north Atlanta But the state will pay again and will be burned bed from here to the sea for this worst crime ever.
"Holy crap, someone in Atlanta used the n-word?
Posted by: Moron Robbie"
About an hour north Atlanta But the state will pay again and will be burned bed from here to the sea for this worst crime ever.
Posted by: Ripley at March 24, 2019 12:54 PM (MxEKc)
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Townhall- After Disappointments in Mueller, The Democrats Will Keep Searching
https://tinyurl.com/yy93ejq9
She explains why the Democrats wanting all information released is impossible, and so why they are doing it.
https://tinyurl.com/yy93ejq9
She explains why the Democrats wanting all information released is impossible, and so why they are doing it.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 12:54 PM (BbGew)
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One of the stupidest things to ever recycle was Glass. Do the people
who think that's smart even know that Glass is made out of Sand?
Omigod, we must prevent the Great Sand Shortage!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:26 PM (V2Yro)
Shit, I'm old enough to remember when we re-used glass bottles instead of "recycling" or chucking them away.
But re-using those bottles was deemed "bad for the environment" because the bottles were heavier than plastic bottles and thus used more fuel when delivering them to stores, so they became verboten.
This happened about the time that stores were "encouraged" to switch to plastic bags from paper bags to "save the forests".
One of the stupidest things to ever recycle was Glass. Do the people
who think that's smart even know that Glass is made out of Sand?
Omigod, we must prevent the Great Sand Shortage!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:26 PM (V2Yro)
Shit, I'm old enough to remember when we re-used glass bottles instead of "recycling" or chucking them away.
But re-using those bottles was deemed "bad for the environment" because the bottles were heavier than plastic bottles and thus used more fuel when delivering them to stores, so they became verboten.
This happened about the time that stores were "encouraged" to switch to plastic bags from paper bags to "save the forests".
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 12:54 PM (fdTrp)
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I sick of those whale bastards anyway.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 24, 2019 12:22 PM (oVJmc)
Michael Moore: What are you looking at me for?
I sick of those whale bastards anyway.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 24, 2019 12:22 PM (oVJmc)
Michael Moore: What are you looking at me for?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 24, 2019 12:54 PM (ZwhdC)
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Germany introduced a packaging law about 25 years ago that worked.
Instead of saying these are the six kinds of approved plastics and you can only use PET for.... (that would be very German, I learned the names of different kinds of plastics there) they said "pack it any way you like, you just have to take the packaging back".
So consumers can bring packaging back to the stores, the stores can make the manufacturers take it back. Packaging became minimalistic overnight.
Instead of saying these are the six kinds of approved plastics and you can only use PET for.... (that would be very German, I learned the names of different kinds of plastics there) they said "pack it any way you like, you just have to take the packaging back".
So consumers can bring packaging back to the stores, the stores can make the manufacturers take it back. Packaging became minimalistic overnight.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 12:55 PM (fuK7c)
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We gave up on cooperating with the city's recycling years ago. An old woman who lived down the street failed to fill her bin exactly as instructed. So, not only did they not pick it up, they dumped it on her lawn.
F**k them. With a broken baseball bat.
Posted by: Eeyore at March 24, 2019 12:46 PM (VaN/j)
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I never really started recycling, but stopped caring completely about it when I watched the garbage men one day. They emptied the trash cans and the recycling bins all into the main area of the truck. Told me all I needed to know.
F**k them. With a broken baseball bat.
Posted by: Eeyore at March 24, 2019 12:46 PM (VaN/j)
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I never really started recycling, but stopped caring completely about it when I watched the garbage men one day. They emptied the trash cans and the recycling bins all into the main area of the truck. Told me all I needed to know.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 12:55 PM (ffYR/)
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I've noticed that the bit about plastic bags not being biodegradable is nonsense. I stuck some odds and ends in my attic in a a few plastic bags and forgot about it - 5 years later, all of those bags were crumbling to dust as soon as I touched them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:46 PM (V2Yro)
You don't understand though! It's all the plastic particles, they're now floating in the air... creating an air bubble the size of Texas!!
Some tests proved it. The total of plastic particles are now .00000001 per thousand, when before all this plastic came along it was .000000001 per thousand.
You can't see it, you can't taste it, it has no known effect (yet) on health, but it's there.
Trust us.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:46 PM (V2Yro)
You don't understand though! It's all the plastic particles, they're now floating in the air... creating an air bubble the size of Texas!!
Some tests proved it. The total of plastic particles are now .00000001 per thousand, when before all this plastic came along it was .000000001 per thousand.
You can't see it, you can't taste it, it has no known effect (yet) on health, but it's there.
Trust us.
Posted by: Nature's Unclean Trends Just Over Bearing Society at March 24, 2019 12:55 PM (cY3LT)
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The mandatory deposits as required by some states is not a response to market/economic forces, but rather an anti-litter enforcement method.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)
Now if they'd just do fast food packaging.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)
Now if they'd just do fast food packaging.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 12:55 PM (OE84+)
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If they want all the info, why doesn't Trump offer to declassify all those FISA documents?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 24, 2019 12:56 PM (oVJmc)
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i have them double bag my stuff. the more the merrier!
Posted by: trapper's girl at March 24, 2019 12:56 PM (4hfnr)
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The mandatory deposits as required by some states is not a response to market/economic forces, but rather an anti-litter enforcement method.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)
Now if they'd just do fast food packaging.
Posted by: golfman
And cigarette filters. I live along a drive thru subdivision road. After the winter, I'd be rich
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)
Now if they'd just do fast food packaging.
Posted by: golfman
And cigarette filters. I live along a drive thru subdivision road. After the winter, I'd be rich
Posted by: Bruce at March 24, 2019 12:56 PM (8ikIW)
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Still recycle here, the trash pickup companies need to use a separate truck to collect from the bins. Fuel for those special trucks probably costs more than the recovery from recycles.
Posted by: Colin
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Same here. We pay a fixed separate 'recycle fee' on our city utility bill.
Here's the deal, the stuff gets trucked down to South Carolina where, in theory, it is 'recycled'.
I threw the BS flag on this a long time ago. Perhaps some small quantity of stuff actually is recycled, but not much relative to volume. What we are paying for is to have the stuff trucked to SC landfills.
Posted by: Colin
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Same here. We pay a fixed separate 'recycle fee' on our city utility bill.
Here's the deal, the stuff gets trucked down to South Carolina where, in theory, it is 'recycled'.
I threw the BS flag on this a long time ago. Perhaps some small quantity of stuff actually is recycled, but not much relative to volume. What we are paying for is to have the stuff trucked to SC landfills.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:57 PM (CDGwz)
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Testing the fix of the error I have been getting for the last year and a half...
Posted by: Mr_Write at March 24, 2019 12:57 PM (xpkJa)
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I never really started recycling, but stopped caring completely about it when I watched the garbage men one day. They emptied the trash cans and the recycling bins all into the main area of the truck. Told me all I needed to know.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 12:55 PM (ffYR/)
I've seen them do that too. Good thing we had to separate it all out.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 12:55 PM (ffYR/)
I've seen them do that too. Good thing we had to separate it all out.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 24, 2019 12:58 PM (ZwhdC)
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Can plastics be made from whale oil?
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:19 PM (NWiLs)
I'm sure they could be. Crack it down to ethylene, and then polymerize it.
Most commercial plastic comes from natural gas, not liquid oil.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 12:19 PM (NWiLs)
I'm sure they could be. Crack it down to ethylene, and then polymerize it.
Most commercial plastic comes from natural gas, not liquid oil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 12:58 PM (nPGq2)
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A cop has to see someone littering to write a ticket. How rare is that?
Posted by: torabora at March 24, 2019 12:58 PM (1v9eA)
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So now "Reuse" is bad?
The left is compiling quite a list of things they spent the last 40 years incessantly preaching at us that are now forbidden.
Tolerance
Free speech
Colorblindness
Reuse
I wonder what's next
The left is compiling quite a list of things they spent the last 40 years incessantly preaching at us that are now forbidden.
Tolerance
Free speech
Colorblindness
Reuse
I wonder what's next
Posted by: 29Victor at March 24, 2019 12:58 PM (BJKQV)
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I think you are correct, but the cost to manufacture new glass is low enough that recycling is an iffy financial decision.
What about re-using?
When I was a kid you brought your empty beer bottles back to the store and the bottler just washed them and put beer back in them. You could see the wear and tear on bottles that had been around a while.
In a really quaint variation on that, we briefly had a seltzer service in NYC. They'd deliver a wood crate with dividers and a bunch of old thick glass bottles of seltzer that looked like they came from the thirties, and one spray spritzy thingie attachment. Then they'd bring new ones and take the empties away.
What about re-using?
When I was a kid you brought your empty beer bottles back to the store and the bottler just washed them and put beer back in them. You could see the wear and tear on bottles that had been around a while.
In a really quaint variation on that, we briefly had a seltzer service in NYC. They'd deliver a wood crate with dividers and a bunch of old thick glass bottles of seltzer that looked like they came from the thirties, and one spray spritzy thingie attachment. Then they'd bring new ones and take the empties away.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 12:59 PM (fuK7c)
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If they really want to turn people against plastic, they should show the Dr. Who episode, Terror of the Autons (Pertwee).
Aliens called Nestenes inhabit plastic bodies and control plastic in order to murder people. It's the kind of stuff that could give small kids nightmares.
Aliens called Nestenes inhabit plastic bodies and control plastic in order to murder people. It's the kind of stuff that could give small kids nightmares.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 24, 2019 01:00 PM (/qEW2)
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Plastic bags also make excellent crib liners and toys for toddlers.
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First they came for the guns;
then they came for the knives;
then they came for the racist clotheslines;
then they came for the plastic bags...
but they won't take my hands unless they cut them off my cold, dead arms
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First they came for the guns;
then they came for the knives;
then they came for the racist clotheslines;
then they came for the plastic bags...
but they won't take my hands unless they cut them off my cold, dead arms
Posted by: Undocumented at March 24, 2019 01:00 PM (iQKgg)
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Recycling is a scam. Real recyclables are valuable. So valuable someone would pay for them without government subsidies.
Posted by: usntakim profoundly deplorable at March 24, 2019 01:01 PM (0OmEj)
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You can't see it, you can't taste it, it has no known effect (yet) on health, but it's there.
Trust us.
Posted by: Nature's Unclean Trends Just Over Bearing Society
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As an aside, ponder how many tires have been worn out on the roadways. Billions. I'm not speaking of the carcasses, I mean the tread material.
Where is all of it? In the soil and water.
Of course, the quantity of tread material pales in comparison to the carcasses.
Trust us.
Posted by: Nature's Unclean Trends Just Over Bearing Society
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As an aside, ponder how many tires have been worn out on the roadways. Billions. I'm not speaking of the carcasses, I mean the tread material.
Where is all of it? In the soil and water.
Of course, the quantity of tread material pales in comparison to the carcasses.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 01:01 PM (CDGwz)
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electronics and batteries are the only thing I have to deal with, as far as being a little careful not to contaminate ground water. But I think most people toss that stuff in their normal trash, and most "dumps" have some sort of plan to contain runoff. Certain chemicals are supposed to be dumped with precautions to keep it out of ground water ... like on higher ground, with a lined base.
But now most of the worst chemicals are not allowed in general production. I might just dig a big hole on a hill somewhere down in the clay, and it would hold a lifetime of my old monitors, along with glass and tin. Plastic will burn, but probably a little better to bury bulkier things. imo
But now most of the worst chemicals are not allowed in general production. I might just dig a big hole on a hill somewhere down in the clay, and it would hold a lifetime of my old monitors, along with glass and tin. Plastic will burn, but probably a little better to bury bulkier things. imo
Posted by: illiniwek at March 24, 2019 01:02 PM (Cus5s)
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The Mueller report will change nothing.
The anti-Trumpers will point to it as "not exculpatory", the normies already know it was a smoke screen.
The anti-Trumpers will point to it as "not exculpatory", the normies already know it was a smoke screen.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:02 PM (w7KSn)
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Most commercial plastic comes from natural gas, not liquid oil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Hmm. How about cow farts? Asking for a friend.
Most commercial plastic comes from natural gas, not liquid oil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Hmm. How about cow farts? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: AOC at March 24, 2019 01:03 PM (CDGwz)
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There was a stone quarry here that was used as a dump until they filled it. Still belching methane gas after who knows how many years. The town was going to put a golf course over it and capture the methane to sell. Nothing was ever done.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 01:04 PM (K22Va)
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If they want all the info, why doesn't Trump offer to declassify all those FISA documents?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 24, 2019 12:56 PM (oVJmc)
Maybe that's his plan.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 24, 2019 12:56 PM (oVJmc)
Maybe that's his plan.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:04 PM (NFEMn)
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If they really want to turn people against plastic, they should show the Dr. Who episode, Terror of the Autons (Pertwee).
Aliens called Nestenes inhabit plastic bodies and control plastic in order to murder people. It's the kind of stuff that could give small kids nightmares.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 24, 2019 01:00 PM (/qEW2)
That and Spearhead from Space
Aliens called Nestenes inhabit plastic bodies and control plastic in order to murder people. It's the kind of stuff that could give small kids nightmares.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 24, 2019 01:00 PM (/qEW2)
That and Spearhead from Space
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 24, 2019 01:04 PM (bLq65)
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I have an old CRT type tv, I just yesterday hauled it downstairs to the garage. Damn near threw my back out. It must almost 90 lbs.
Anyway, called recycle places to see if I could drop it off somewhere. I can, for $1 per pound.
I think it will stay in my garage until I sell the house.
Anyway, called recycle places to see if I could drop it off somewhere. I can, for $1 per pound.
I think it will stay in my garage until I sell the house.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (w7KSn)
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The Mueller report will change nothing.
The anti-Trumpers will point to it as "not exculpatory", the normies already know it was a smoke screen.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:02 PM (w7KSn)
But on the positive side, anyone who calls himself a moderate or an undecided and who voted against Trump last time will probably change their vote in 2020.
The anti-Trumpers will point to it as "not exculpatory", the normies already know it was a smoke screen.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:02 PM (w7KSn)
But on the positive side, anyone who calls himself a moderate or an undecided and who voted against Trump last time will probably change their vote in 2020.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (NFEMn)
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The local food bank takes donations of the used plastic bags. They find them most helpful in their mission. Dad would take several full trash bags full of 'em every couple of months. I don't generate enough to bother otherwise I'd continue the tradition.
So yeah, why do leftards hate hungry people?
So yeah, why do leftards hate hungry people?
Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I ain't recommending shit at the moment at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (lLeln)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:06 PM (/tuJf)
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I see no way in which cotton could be environmentally problematic.
Posted by: The Zombie Aral Sea at March 24, 2019 01:06 PM (T6t7i)
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What about re-using?
When I was a kid you brought your empty beer bottles back to the store and the bottler just washed them and put beer back in them. You could see the wear and tear on bottles that had been around a while.
In a really quaint variation on that, we briefly had a seltzer service in NYC. They'd deliver a wood crate with dividers and a bunch of old thick glass bottles of seltzer that looked like they came from the thirties, and one spray spritzy thingie attachment. Then they'd bring new ones and take the empties away.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 12:59 PM (fuK7c)
In the deep recesses of my memory banks, I have the vague recollection of going to a soda bottling place with my dad (and other assorted siblings) to pick up several wooden crates of the bubbly beverages.
After we consumed a bottle of soda, the bottles went back into the crates, and every month or so, on a Saturday morning, another trip to the bottling plant we called for.
A joyous activity. And the different flavors of soda!!
It was cool to get a bottle with the faded label saying "cola" or whatever, but you knew they messed it up, and that wasn't cola in there.
Man, the world sure was better then... and GET OFF MY LAWN!
When I was a kid you brought your empty beer bottles back to the store and the bottler just washed them and put beer back in them. You could see the wear and tear on bottles that had been around a while.
In a really quaint variation on that, we briefly had a seltzer service in NYC. They'd deliver a wood crate with dividers and a bunch of old thick glass bottles of seltzer that looked like they came from the thirties, and one spray spritzy thingie attachment. Then they'd bring new ones and take the empties away.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 12:59 PM (fuK7c)
In the deep recesses of my memory banks, I have the vague recollection of going to a soda bottling place with my dad (and other assorted siblings) to pick up several wooden crates of the bubbly beverages.
After we consumed a bottle of soda, the bottles went back into the crates, and every month or so, on a Saturday morning, another trip to the bottling plant we called for.
A joyous activity. And the different flavors of soda!!
It was cool to get a bottle with the faded label saying "cola" or whatever, but you knew they messed it up, and that wasn't cola in there.
Man, the world sure was better then... and GET OFF MY LAWN!
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 01:07 PM (cY3LT)
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Germany introduced a packaging law about 25 years ago that worked...
So consumers can bring packaging back to the stores, the stores can make the manufacturers take it back. Packaging became minimalistic overnight.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 12:55 PM
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When my youngest was stationed in Germany ~ 2 years ago, he used to ship all his Styrofoam to us in the states. There was no way for him to get rid of it in Germany.
So consumers can bring packaging back to the stores, the stores can make the manufacturers take it back. Packaging became minimalistic overnight.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 12:55 PM
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When my youngest was stationed in Germany ~ 2 years ago, he used to ship all his Styrofoam to us in the states. There was no way for him to get rid of it in Germany.
Posted by: IrishEi at March 24, 2019 01:07 PM (NtglE)
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When my youngest was stationed in Germany ~ 2 years ago, he used to ship all his Styrofoam to us in the states. There was no way for him to get rid of it in Germany.
Huh.
Huh.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 01:08 PM (fuK7c)
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Recycling is a scam. Real recyclables are valuable. So valuable someone would pay for them without government subsidies.
Posted by: usntakim profoundly deplorable at March 24, 2019 01:01 PM (0OmEj)
Yup....just a way for bullies to tell people what they can or cannot do.
MYOB is my watch word.
Posted by: usntakim profoundly deplorable at March 24, 2019 01:01 PM (0OmEj)
Yup....just a way for bullies to tell people what they can or cannot do.
MYOB is my watch word.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2019 01:09 PM (Z+IKu)
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One of the stupidest things to ever recycle was Glass. Do the people who think that's smart even know that Glass is made out of Sand? Omigod, we must prevent the Great Sand Shortage!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:26 PM (V2Yro)
Glass is also embodied energy. It takes a lot of heat to reverse entropy to go from sand to a shape like a glass bottle. Reusing glass bottles means we get more bang for our energy buck. And the energy required to transport the empty bottles winds up being a wash, because we transport the empties somewhere whether to the landfill, the recycling plant, or to the bottling plant for reuse.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:26 PM (V2Yro)
Glass is also embodied energy. It takes a lot of heat to reverse entropy to go from sand to a shape like a glass bottle. Reusing glass bottles means we get more bang for our energy buck. And the energy required to transport the empty bottles winds up being a wash, because we transport the empties somewhere whether to the landfill, the recycling plant, or to the bottling plant for reuse.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:09 PM (nPGq2)
Posted by: Lena Dunham's ex at March 24, 2019 01:10 PM (NWiLs)
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I've been using plastic grocery store bags as trash bags my entire married life (14 years). We've only bought actual plastic trash bags a couple of times.
I re-use or recycle everything that *can* be re-used or recycled.
I'll be pissed if I ever have to start buying trash bags as a regular thing.
I re-use or recycle everything that *can* be re-used or recycled.
I'll be pissed if I ever have to start buying trash bags as a regular thing.
Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at March 24, 2019 01:10 PM (adsVM)
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But re-using those bottles was deemed "bad for the environment" because the bottles were heavier than plastic bottles and thus used more fuel when delivering them to stores, so they became verboten.
Grocery stores didn't like having to deal with bottle returns.
But re-using those bottles was deemed "bad for the environment" because the bottles were heavier than plastic bottles and thus used more fuel when delivering them to stores, so they became verboten.
Grocery stores didn't like having to deal with bottle returns.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 01:10 PM (aKsyK)
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I have an old CRT type tv, I just yesterday hauled it downstairs to the garage. Damn near threw my back out. It must almost 90 lbs.
Anyway, called recycle places to see if I could drop it off somewhere. I can, for $1 per pound.
I think it will stay in my garage until I sell the house.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (w7KSn)
Yup. I'm probably moving soon. I think the plan is to disassemble all the carcasses of extinct electronics, put them in the trash bin a little at a time, so the recycle nazis don't notice.
Not joking.
Anyway, called recycle places to see if I could drop it off somewhere. I can, for $1 per pound.
I think it will stay in my garage until I sell the house.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (w7KSn)
Yup. I'm probably moving soon. I think the plan is to disassemble all the carcasses of extinct electronics, put them in the trash bin a little at a time, so the recycle nazis don't notice.
Not joking.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 01:10 PM (cY3LT)
Posted by: Rosasharn at March 24, 2019 01:10 PM (C1BkO)
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I have an old CRT type tv, I just yesterday hauled it downstairs to the garage. Damn near threw my back out. It must almost 90 lbs.
Anyway, called recycle places to see if I could drop it off somewhere. I can, for $1 per pound.
I think it will stay in my garage until I sell the house.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (w7KSn)
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Around 9 years ago I got a letter from Kali about what I MUST do the get rid of electronics in GA, where I was running a small business. How they got my info, I will never know.
I called around and found about the same as you, it was freaking expensive. So, I just put it on the curb and let them deal with it.
Anyway, called recycle places to see if I could drop it off somewhere. I can, for $1 per pound.
I think it will stay in my garage until I sell the house.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (w7KSn)
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Around 9 years ago I got a letter from Kali about what I MUST do the get rid of electronics in GA, where I was running a small business. How they got my info, I will never know.
I called around and found about the same as you, it was freaking expensive. So, I just put it on the curb and let them deal with it.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:10 PM (ffYR/)
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My favorite packaging thing goes back to the early days of microwavable entrees. I forget which brand of the time, but one of them packaged their stuff with rather durable plastic plates, size varying with the meal. Very durable. As in, still in use thirty years later durable...I have 'em in storage at the moment because I have plenty of dishes for just me, but those will come back out someday, because they probably have decades left in 'em...!
Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I ain't recommending shit at the moment at March 24, 2019 01:10 PM (lLeln)
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I have an old CRT type tv, I just yesterday hauled it downstairs to the garage. Damn near threw my back out. It must almost 90 lbs.
Anyway, called recycle places to see if I could drop it off somewhere. I can, for $1 per pound.
I think it will stay in my garage until I sell the house.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (w7KSn)
Another example of unintended consequences when it comes to recycling. This is why TVs like this--not to mention tires--are dumped illegally.
Anyway, called recycle places to see if I could drop it off somewhere. I can, for $1 per pound.
I think it will stay in my garage until I sell the house.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (w7KSn)
Another example of unintended consequences when it comes to recycling. This is why TVs like this--not to mention tires--are dumped illegally.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:11 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2019 01:12 PM (0tfLf)
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I for one think plastic bags are a blight.
Maybe not the plastic bags themselves, but the humans who discard
them into the environment, where they end up in trees, fences, power
poles, etc. and remain for years. Decades.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater
This can be true, but the problem is the people, not the bags. Example: I drive every day from NoVa into one of the poorer parts of DC. There is nary a bag to be seen until I cross the river, and after that, they look like tumbleweeds and fruit growing on some of the trees. Naturally, government's answer to this problem is to take away bags from me.
I for one think plastic bags are a blight.
Maybe not the plastic bags themselves, but the humans who discard
them into the environment, where they end up in trees, fences, power
poles, etc. and remain for years. Decades.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater
This can be true, but the problem is the people, not the bags. Example: I drive every day from NoVa into one of the poorer parts of DC. There is nary a bag to be seen until I cross the river, and after that, they look like tumbleweeds and fruit growing on some of the trees. Naturally, government's answer to this problem is to take away bags from me.
Posted by: The Zombie Aral Sea at March 24, 2019 01:12 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: pep = The Zombie Aral Sea at March 24, 2019 01:12 PM (T6t7i)
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I think it's a good idea to bury all that stuff for future generations to use. Post-Industrial society will have "towns" built on dumps.
Posted by: pawn at March 24, 2019 01:12 PM (dPTGY)
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The four most abundant elements on earth:
1. Oxygen 2. Silicon (glass is made of silicon dioxide) 3. Aluminum (thin cans) 4. Iron
1. Oxygen 2. Silicon (glass is made of silicon dioxide) 3. Aluminum (thin cans) 4. Iron
Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at March 24, 2019 01:12 PM (RDX/f)
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I think it will stay in my garage until I sell the house.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (w7KSn)
I keep track of the locations of a few trash dumpsters around town that no one watches on weekends, for items just like that.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (w7KSn)
I keep track of the locations of a few trash dumpsters around town that no one watches on weekends, for items just like that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:13 PM (V2Yro)
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I heard a rumor that if you open up a CRT type tv, you could be in for some nasty surprises.
We used to just take them out to the desert and shoot them to pieces. Was a lot of fun.
We used to just take them out to the desert and shoot them to pieces. Was a lot of fun.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (w7KSn)
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I have found that the leftover plastic bags make great holders for those long life light bulbs that you're not supposed to throw away because of their toxicity when broken.
Double bag and into the garbage!!!
Double bag and into the garbage!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (0tfLf)
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164 The four most abundant elements on earth:
1. Oxygen 2. Silicon (glass is made of silicon dioxide) 3. Aluminum (thin cans) 4. Iron
5. Stupidium.
1. Oxygen 2. Silicon (glass is made of silicon dioxide) 3. Aluminum (thin cans) 4. Iron
5. Stupidium.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (V2Yro)
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Recycling isn't so much about the environment so much as it is about government coercion.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (EZebt)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (/tuJf)
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It's only kinda funny, just had a Crazy glue mess all over my one hand, keeping fingers part until it drys.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 01:16 PM (BbGew)
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When I was a kid our only theater had an RC Cola promotion. Find six RC caps with a star printed inside and you get to see a movie free. My brothers and I spent all day on our bicycles going to stores, emptying the containers of caps from drink boxes, and digging out the corks with our pocket knives.
We finally did get enough starred caps to see "The Three Stooges in Orbit" at the Ritz. Pretty good, except it had Joe instead of Curly. Even way back then we knew Joe was teh ghey.
We finally did get enough starred caps to see "The Three Stooges in Orbit" at the Ritz. Pretty good, except it had Joe instead of Curly. Even way back then we knew Joe was teh ghey.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at March 24, 2019 01:16 PM (hjaPQ)
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My start up is looking at getting around a Chinese Patent, and converting the county to a copper and rare earth mine.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 24, 2019 01:17 PM (u82oZ)
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My brothers and I spent all day on our bicycles going to stores, emptying the containers of caps from drink boxes, and digging out the corks with our pocket knives.
Back when soda pop actually tasted good.
My brothers and I spent all day on our bicycles going to stores, emptying the containers of caps from drink boxes, and digging out the corks with our pocket knives.
Back when soda pop actually tasted good.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 01:17 PM (aKsyK)
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It's a Grand Old Bag, it's a nice plastic bag and we find them on all of our clothes. Oh a kid can play the live-long day with them wherever he goes. They are lots more fun than a doll or a gun, you can wave them around like flags. But should old acquaintance be forgot keep you head out of plastic bags!
Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 24, 2019 01:17 PM (IKICP)
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There is a way to get copper out of circuit boards. Just need some specialized equipment.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 24, 2019 01:17 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 24, 2019 01:18 PM (EgshT)
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Tried to imagine my +29 year old self chucking an 80+ lb. CRT tv in to a dumpster.
Nope.
I would have to rig up a trebuchet.
Nope.
I would have to rig up a trebuchet.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:18 PM (w7KSn)
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167
I have found that the leftover plastic bags make great holders for those
long life light bulbs that you're not supposed to throw away because of
their toxicity when broken.
Double bag and into the garbage!!!
More things they want you to pay twice for.
I have found that the leftover plastic bags make great holders for those
long life light bulbs that you're not supposed to throw away because of
their toxicity when broken.
Double bag and into the garbage!!!
More things they want you to pay twice for.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 01:18 PM (K22Va)
180
a bit OT, but I've been ruminating about why the lefty talkers are so universally and obviously shocked by the quiet end of the Mueller Investigation, when it should have been obvious for a long time now: first, of course, they are idiots, but I think it's more than that. I think that behind the scenes and late at night, they have had people like Swallowell and Schiff and Comey and who knows how many deep staters and nameless "FBI guys" calling them and saying "oh this isn't for the record, but we've seen ABSOLUTE PROOF!!! of collusion, you just wait , it's all coming out soon! Mueller has it all!!!"
And they can't wrap their minds around the new obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that - because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was right, and that they were Wrong all along.
And they can't wrap their minds around the new obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that - because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was right, and that they were Wrong all along.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:18 PM (V2Yro)
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Wait, the same people in Atlanta ALSO throw their plastic bags and straws on the ground?
Next you'll tell me they shoot at each other.
Next you'll tell me they shoot at each other.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (xyung)
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I heard a rumor that if you open up a CRT type tv, you could be in for some nasty surprises.
We used to just take them out to the desert and shoot them to pieces. Was a lot of fun.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (w7KSn)
Nasty surprises? Like what??
I'm asking for a friend. So he... I mean she, I mean indefinite pronoun person, doesn't get hurt.
We used to just take them out to the desert and shoot them to pieces. Was a lot of fun.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (w7KSn)
Nasty surprises? Like what??
I'm asking for a friend. So he... I mean she, I mean indefinite pronoun person, doesn't get hurt.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (cY3LT)
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It was noted by all the presstitutes that PDT did not tweet at all after the Mewler announcement, and all day yesterday. So, he tweeted twice today. "Good Morning. Have a great day!" and "MAGA!".
It's like watching a feral cat play with a mouse.
It's like watching a feral cat play with a mouse.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (ffYR/)
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Electrical shock, even when not plugged in.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:20 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:21 PM (yQpMk)
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175 It's a Grand Old Bag, it's a nice plastic bag and we find them on all of our clothes. Oh a kid can play the live-long day with them wherever he goes. They are lots more fun than a doll or a gun, you can wave them around like flags. But should old acquaintance be forgot keep you head out of plastic bags!
Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 24, 2019 01:17 PM (IKICP)
Now that's the kind of post that makes me want to Stand Up and Salute. Maybe even sing!
Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 24, 2019 01:17 PM (IKICP)
Now that's the kind of post that makes me want to Stand Up and Salute. Maybe even sing!
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:21 PM (V2Yro)
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Nasty surprise = not knowing what capacitors are?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:21 PM (xyung)
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Well, that didn't take long.
Human bag of farts Jerald Nadler is saying...wait for it...the DOJ committed a cover up.
They'll still be holding to this psychosis after Trump's landslide next year.
Human bag of farts Jerald Nadler is saying...wait for it...the DOJ committed a cover up.
They'll still be holding to this psychosis after Trump's landslide next year.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 24, 2019 01:22 PM (tu+Xl)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 01:22 PM (fuK7c)
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144 Guns don't kill people. Plastic kills people.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=vXrAK6sUZ_0
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (/qEW2)
https://tinyurl.com/np58bg6
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=vXrAK6sUZ_0
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 24, 2019 01:05 PM (/qEW2)
https://tinyurl.com/np58bg6
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2019 01:22 PM (n13/j)
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I had a neighbor that repair TVs. He had a braided copper cable at least an inch thick which had one end splayed out like a brush and the other end attached to a ground spike. He would brush that around inside the TV before beginning work.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:23 PM (yQpMk)
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Nasty surprises? Like what??
Highly charged capacitors.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:21 PM (yQpMk)
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Yep. They retain energy for a surprisingly long time.
Highly charged capacitors.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:21 PM (yQpMk)
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Yep. They retain energy for a surprisingly long time.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:23 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:24 PM (/tuJf)
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Nasty surprise = not knowing what capacitors are?
Capacitors are the things where they store all the electrons so they aren't sloshing around inside the TV and then spilling all over the floor. They're a real pain to clean up.
Capacitors are the things where they store all the electrons so they aren't sloshing around inside the TV and then spilling all over the floor. They're a real pain to clean up.
Posted by: pep at March 24, 2019 01:24 PM (T6t7i)
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Was watching a clip of that old commie Brennan just two weeks ago speculating all the indictments coming down when Muelle's report was finished.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 01:24 PM (BbGew)
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 01:24 PM (9L2du)
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"The Mueller report will change nothing"
imo it means Mueller's Hillary Protection Service no longer has carte blanche to destroy any individual he wants, that might dare speak out on the criminal activities of Hillary (which included Mueller/Comey et al).
2 years of obstruction and threat ... this was a coup, we don't really know if it is over. Maybe the hoax investigation, and its seditious real threat, is part of why Trump put so many DeepState anti-MAGA people right in his administration. to save his own family from malicious (contrived) prosecution. (like Stone got). we don't really know why this insane attack on POTUS was allowed ... we just it was not about the BigLie of Trump/Russia.
imo it means Mueller's Hillary Protection Service no longer has carte blanche to destroy any individual he wants, that might dare speak out on the criminal activities of Hillary (which included Mueller/Comey et al).
2 years of obstruction and threat ... this was a coup, we don't really know if it is over. Maybe the hoax investigation, and its seditious real threat, is part of why Trump put so many DeepState anti-MAGA people right in his administration. to save his own family from malicious (contrived) prosecution. (like Stone got). we don't really know why this insane attack on POTUS was allowed ... we just it was not about the BigLie of Trump/Russia.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 24, 2019 01:24 PM (Cus5s)
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This is a perfect example of Enviro-Leftism turning itself into a self-denying religion. None of this makes any actual physical, real world sense - but the adherents are delighted to do this to demonstrate the Purity of their Souls!!!
Most Religions have dietary restrictions and intricate Taboos, of things which are Clean, and those which are Unclean. (Kosher, Halal, etc., etc.)
And so now Leftists are moving into that all the way. They don't know why they do what they do; they don't even care. They just know that they need a way to publicly demonstrate their Virtue to each other, and this way looks as good as anything else.
btw, this is happening at a time when the recycling market nationally and internationally is collapsing, due to huge financial losses. Quite a few cities are still collecting recycled items, and then quietly taking them to the local dump along with all of the other trash, because it now costs too much to do anything else with the stuff.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:21 PM (V2Yro)
I think it boils down to people need a set of instructions to follow to make sense of life and make it as uncomplicated as possible. Religion has always played that role, and the left shows that it still does.
Most Religions have dietary restrictions and intricate Taboos, of things which are Clean, and those which are Unclean. (Kosher, Halal, etc., etc.)
And so now Leftists are moving into that all the way. They don't know why they do what they do; they don't even care. They just know that they need a way to publicly demonstrate their Virtue to each other, and this way looks as good as anything else.
btw, this is happening at a time when the recycling market nationally and internationally is collapsing, due to huge financial losses. Quite a few cities are still collecting recycled items, and then quietly taking them to the local dump along with all of the other trash, because it now costs too much to do anything else with the stuff.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 12:21 PM (V2Yro)
I think it boils down to people need a set of instructions to follow to make sense of life and make it as uncomplicated as possible. Religion has always played that role, and the left shows that it still does.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at March 24, 2019 01:25 PM (3sjI6)
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t was noted by all the presstitutes that PDT did not tweet at all after the Mewler announcement, and all day yesterday. So, he tweeted twice today. "Good Morning. Have a great day!" and "MAGA!".
It's like watching a feral cat play with a mouse.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (ffYR/)
I was actually starting to get nervous that there were no tweets for almost two full days, reasoning that Trump was advised not to "take a victory lap" or "gloat about being cleared" just yet because there might be something in Mueller's report that might not be good news for the President.
I was glad when I woke to those two tweets this morning, neither of which have anything to do with Mueller.
You are correct. He is playing with them alright.
It's like watching a feral cat play with a mouse.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (ffYR/)
I was actually starting to get nervous that there were no tweets for almost two full days, reasoning that Trump was advised not to "take a victory lap" or "gloat about being cleared" just yet because there might be something in Mueller's report that might not be good news for the President.
I was glad when I woke to those two tweets this morning, neither of which have anything to do with Mueller.
You are correct. He is playing with them alright.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:25 PM (NFEMn)
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I'm not supposed to put old TV's and half full paint cans in the trash?
That's why God gave us grocery store dumpsters.
That's why God gave us grocery store dumpsters.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Lone Ranger at March 24, 2019 01:25 PM (fMYrG)
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You put the paint cans in the TV, then leave the TV in a cul de sac of a new housing development.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:26 PM (xyung)
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191 I had a neighbor that repair TVs. He had a braided copper cable at least an inch thick which had one end splayed out like a brush and the other end attached to a ground spike. He would brush that around inside the TV before beginning work.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:23 PM (yQpMk)
our television repair man was named Mario......he was God like....the five of us kids would hover around as he repaired our tv(s)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:23 PM (yQpMk)
our television repair man was named Mario......he was God like....the five of us kids would hover around as he repaired our tv(s)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 24, 2019 01:26 PM (0O7c5)
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I have a wild idea! Let the free market decide how to deal with the bag
issue,...
The Walmart and local groceries around here sells the paper bags for a dime a piece - no free bags.
Walmart and the local groceries are pretty happy with the "bag ban" so happy they kept it after the courts dismissed the city's bag-ban laws.
I shop in the town over to avoid these petty tyrants.
issue,...
The Walmart and local groceries around here sells the paper bags for a dime a piece - no free bags.
Walmart and the local groceries are pretty happy with the "bag ban" so happy they kept it after the courts dismissed the city's bag-ban laws.
I shop in the town over to avoid these petty tyrants.
Posted by: batterup at March 24, 2019 01:26 PM (U2JQS)
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You are correct. He is playing with them alright.
Posted by: JoeF.
That can't be right. I've been assured by the giant intellects in the press and Congress that he's irredeemably stupid.
Posted by: JoeF.
That can't be right. I've been assured by the giant intellects in the press and Congress that he's irredeemably stupid.
Posted by: pep at March 24, 2019 01:26 PM (T6t7i)
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The four most abundant elements on earth:
1. Oxygen 2. Silicon (glass is made of silicon dioxide) 3. Aluminum (thin cans) 4. Iron
5. Stupidium.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (V2Yro)
I believe the new motherlodes of Stupidium in Europe and the US have moved it up to number 1!
1. Oxygen 2. Silicon (glass is made of silicon dioxide) 3. Aluminum (thin cans) 4. Iron
5. Stupidium.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (V2Yro)
I believe the new motherlodes of Stupidium in Europe and the US have moved it up to number 1!
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (3sjI6)
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200 I'm not supposed to put old TV's and half full paint cans in the trash?
That's why God gave us grocery store dumpsters.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)
Pour the paint into the storm drain. Empty cans are easier to handle. Used motor oil can be disposed of the same way.
That's why God gave us grocery store dumpsters.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)
Pour the paint into the storm drain. Empty cans are easier to handle. Used motor oil can be disposed of the same way.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (NWiLs)
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It's like watching a feral cat play with a mouse.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (ffYR/)
And WHAT do feral cats do when they're tired of playing with a mouse?
They POUNCE!!!
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (ffYR/)
And WHAT do feral cats do when they're tired of playing with a mouse?
They POUNCE!!!
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (NFEMn)
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That old CRT I have is from the Reagan era.
Big and heavy, and it still works great.
Unlike the LED types that last until a week after the warranty is up... I must have been through 8 of those since they came out. They all become ewaste.
Big and heavy, and it still works great.
Unlike the LED types that last until a week after the warranty is up... I must have been through 8 of those since they came out. They all become ewaste.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (w7KSn)
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Capacitors are the things where they store all the electrons so they aren't sloshing around inside the TV and then spilling all over the floor.
Store? More like imprison. Why do you think the electrons are in such a rush to get out?
I bet the inside of a capacitor is worse than the Barrel.
Store? More like imprison. Why do you think the electrons are in such a rush to get out?
I bet the inside of a capacitor is worse than the Barrel.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (fuK7c)
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I'm old enough to remember when Sears had a tube tester so you could check your old tubes when you had a problem and buy new ones if needed.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (yQpMk)
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Pour the paint into the storm drain. Empty cans are easier to handle. Used motor oil can be disposed of the same way.
Posted by: Insomniac
It won't fit, what with all the pesticides and antifreeze I put there yesterday.
Posted by: Insomniac
It won't fit, what with all the pesticides and antifreeze I put there yesterday.
Posted by: pep at March 24, 2019 01:28 PM (T6t7i)
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And they can't wrap their minds around the new
obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long
disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that -
because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was
right, and that they were Wrong all along.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:18 PM (V2Yro)
They clapped and clapped and clapped as hard as they could, and Tinkerbell still died.
Sucks. I know.
obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long
disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that -
because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was
right, and that they were Wrong all along.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:18 PM (V2Yro)
They clapped and clapped and clapped as hard as they could, and Tinkerbell still died.
Sucks. I know.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 24, 2019 01:28 PM (mUa7G)
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And WHAT do feral cats do when they're tired of playing with a mouse?
They POUNCE!!!
Have we officially pounced on the Mueller dryhole yet?
They POUNCE!!!
Have we officially pounced on the Mueller dryhole yet?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 24, 2019 01:28 PM (tu+Xl)
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In a really quaint variation on that, we briefly had a seltzer service in NYC. They'd deliver a wood crate with dividers and a bunch of old thick glass bottles of seltzer that looked like they came from the thirties, and one spray spritzy thingie attachment. Then they'd bring new ones and take the empties away.
You used seltzer by the crate? You didn't happen to have brothers named Moe and Curly, did you?
You used seltzer by the crate? You didn't happen to have brothers named Moe and Curly, did you?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at March 24, 2019 01:29 PM (qc+VF)
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I save old oils and solvents for couch-burning.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at March 24, 2019 01:29 PM (hjaPQ)
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The four most abundant elements on earth:
1. Oxygen 2. Silicon (glass is made of silicon dioxide) 3. Aluminum (thin cans) 4. Iron
---------------------------------------------------
I believe # 2 for sure.
I noticed that back in the 1990's when every stripper working her way through school by pole-swinging was carrying 38DD's that were NOT natural.....
1. Oxygen 2. Silicon (glass is made of silicon dioxide) 3. Aluminum (thin cans) 4. Iron
---------------------------------------------------
I believe # 2 for sure.
I noticed that back in the 1990's when every stripper working her way through school by pole-swinging was carrying 38DD's that were NOT natural.....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:29 PM (NFEMn)
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Pour the paint into the storm drain. Empty cans are easier to handle. Used motor oil can be disposed of the same way.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (NWiLs)
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Back in the 70's, before the age of enlightenment and shit, I actually pulled my car right over the storm sewer grate to drain the oil when it needed changing.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (NWiLs)
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Back in the 70's, before the age of enlightenment and shit, I actually pulled my car right over the storm sewer grate to drain the oil when it needed changing.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:29 PM (ffYR/)
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Slowly I turn ....
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:29 PM (yQpMk)
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>>And they can't wrap their minds around the new
obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long
disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that -
because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was
right, and that they were Wrong all along.
Many of them weren't wrong. They were part of the disinformation campaign. They did it knowingly.
obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long
disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that -
because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was
right, and that they were Wrong all along.
Many of them weren't wrong. They were part of the disinformation campaign. They did it knowingly.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:29 PM (/tuJf)
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Vacuum tubes.
Last time I checked there was exactly one place on the planet that still made them, and that was in Russia.
Sovtek.
I love tube amps. Nothing better.
Last time I checked there was exactly one place on the planet that still made them, and that was in Russia.
Sovtek.
I love tube amps. Nothing better.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:29 PM (w7KSn)
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It's only kinda funny, just had a Crazy glue mess all over my one hand, keeping fingers part until it drys.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 01:16 PM (BbGew)
acetone or fingernail polish remover.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 01:16 PM (BbGew)
acetone or fingernail polish remover.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:30 PM (OE84+)
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Most trash collectors around here require trash be bagged before being put into the dumpster. Everyone I know reuses plastic grocery bags, largely so they don't have to buy garbage bags. I also use them when I clean the dog poop from my yard. I keep one loosely tied to the loop of my leash when I take the dog for a walk.
They're so useful that I have a wall mounted bag holder in my back hall to store them.
This isn't about the environment. It's liberals telling everyone else how to live. They need to butt out of everyone's business.
They're so useful that I have a wall mounted bag holder in my back hall to store them.
This isn't about the environment. It's liberals telling everyone else how to live. They need to butt out of everyone's business.
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 24, 2019 01:30 PM (+lVUW)
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Take it out of the Earth, put it back into the Earth. What a crazy idea! The folly of it all is humans thinking we're so powerful, we've created, from the Earth, something capable of killing the Earth. That's some really twisted logic there.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (cY3LT)
Plastic is made from natural gas, and still has a high energy content. Simply burn it to run a power plant. With a suitable burner design, it will burn smoke-free.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (cY3LT)
Plastic is made from natural gas, and still has a high energy content. Simply burn it to run a power plant. With a suitable burner design, it will burn smoke-free.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:31 PM (nPGq2)
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211 I'm old enough to remember when Sears had a tube tester so you could check your old tubes when you had a problem and buy new ones if needed.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (yQpMk)
I remember those days.
211 I'm old enough to remember when Sears had a tube tester so you could check your old tubes when you had a problem and buy new ones if needed.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (yQpMk)
I remember those days.
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 01:31 PM (9L2du)
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And we got plastic grocery-bags in the first place because enviros were whining about cutting down forests to make paper grocery-bags.
Posted by: andycanuck at March 24, 2019 01:31 PM (Dh1wo)
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went to a safeway in san jose....bought a bunch of stuff....at the check out the effeminent male at the register asks if i would like pay for bags.....i said no....i come from a state where bags are free....in fact the bagger will double or triple bag for me at my request......he seemed angry.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 24, 2019 01:32 PM (0O7c5)
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And they can't wrap their minds around the new
obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long
disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that -
because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was
right, and that they were Wrong all along.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:18 PM (V2Yro)
Most of them are so lost that they don't even have the presence of mind to turn on the Maddows and Colberts who used them for profit while toying with their neuroses.
Instead, they turn their anger and hate and frustration on Trump for NOT being the traitorous scumbag they just know he is.....
obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long
disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that -
because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was
right, and that they were Wrong all along.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 01:18 PM (V2Yro)
Most of them are so lost that they don't even have the presence of mind to turn on the Maddows and Colberts who used them for profit while toying with their neuroses.
Instead, they turn their anger and hate and frustration on Trump for NOT being the traitorous scumbag they just know he is.....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:32 PM (NFEMn)
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I have never seen so much reporting about absolutely nothing.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:33 PM (Y+V3r)
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It's like watching a feral cat play with a mouse.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (ffYR/)
And WHAT do feral cats do when they're tired of playing with a mouse?
They POUNCE!!!
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (NFEMn)
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There is a reason I phrased it that way. I think the party is just getting started and there will be a YUGE pounce and seize by PDT coming soon.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (ffYR/)
And WHAT do feral cats do when they're tired of playing with a mouse?
They POUNCE!!!
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:27 PM (NFEMn)
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There is a reason I phrased it that way. I think the party is just getting started and there will be a YUGE pounce and seize by PDT coming soon.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:33 PM (ffYR/)
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If you really need to get rid of something big like a couch or old tv, drive to the illegal immigrant side of town and chuck it on someone's lawn. They are exempt from recycling laws.
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2019 01:33 PM (EP4dc)
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Hey Skip, Superglue is an old dodge to make sure you don't leave any fingerprints.
You know, in case you were interested.
You know, in case you were interested.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 24, 2019 01:33 PM (mUa7G)
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You can buy tube stereo receivers with the tubes prominently displayed right on the front edge of the top of the unit.
Everything old is new again.
Everything old is new again.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (xyung)
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Actually old paint to get rid of dry it hard first, leave it open and it will turn into a rock. Painters sometimes put a additive into it that hardens it up in a day as liquid paint is not supposed to be disposed of.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (BbGew)
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I think it boils down to people need a set of instructions to follow to make sense of life and make it as uncomplicated as possible. Religion has always played that role, and the left shows that it still does.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at March 24, 2019 01:25 PM (3sjI6)
Shit, even the ubiquitous "recycling" symbol looks like a religious logo....
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at March 24, 2019 01:25 PM (3sjI6)
Shit, even the ubiquitous "recycling" symbol looks like a religious logo....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (NFEMn)
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Here is another wild idea:
Let's stop pretending as a society that the Sun has no effect on the temperature of the Earth.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2019 12:36 PM (2eKoI)
Yeah. My big beef with this article is that she does not question Gerbil Worming at all. Once you realize that Gerbil Worming is bullshit, then the futility and stupidity of anything done to combat it is patently obvious.
Let's stop pretending as a society that the Sun has no effect on the temperature of the Earth.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2019 12:36 PM (2eKoI)
Yeah. My big beef with this article is that she does not question Gerbil Worming at all. Once you realize that Gerbil Worming is bullshit, then the futility and stupidity of anything done to combat it is patently obvious.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (nPGq2)
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Oh, I'd forgotten the cork lined soda bottle caps.
Nice nostalgia.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 01:22 PM (fuK7c)
~~~~~
Scrape out the cork and fill 'em with melted crayons for a nice game of Scully.
Nice nostalgia.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 01:22 PM (fuK7c)
~~~~~
Scrape out the cork and fill 'em with melted crayons for a nice game of Scully.
Posted by: IrishEi at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (NtglE)
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You can buy tube stereo receivers with the tubes prominently displayed right on the front edge of the top of the unit........
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (xyung)
If you are rich.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (xyung)
If you are rich.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (NFEMn)
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About 15 years ago we had a new AC system installed and got the installers to move the thermostat to a new location instead of being in the hallway above the furnace. Only problem was that the old thermostat had to stay up because there would be a nice hole in the wall where the old one was. Patching the hole was not feasible because the wall had wallpaper on it. A few months ago, the Mrs got some things she wanted to put on the wall, and it turned out that one would cover that hole nicely, so I removed the thermostat.
Now, what to do with this mercury filled thing. Can't toss it into the trash, can't find some place that I can drop it off, no recycling in the area. So, I have to sign up for the once a month hazardous waste drop off. I wait in line for a half an hour while all these cars and trucks are dropping off paint, gas and other chemicals and then I drive up and hand the guy a ziploc bag with a thermostat in it.
Oh, and almost every car in line had either a "Trump" bumpersticker or a "Don't Tread on Me" license plate.
Now, what to do with this mercury filled thing. Can't toss it into the trash, can't find some place that I can drop it off, no recycling in the area. So, I have to sign up for the once a month hazardous waste drop off. I wait in line for a half an hour while all these cars and trucks are dropping off paint, gas and other chemicals and then I drive up and hand the guy a ziploc bag with a thermostat in it.
Oh, and almost every car in line had either a "Trump" bumpersticker or a "Don't Tread on Me" license plate.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (fdTrp)
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232 actually it's dry now but just felt My index finger has no finger print right now. It will all wear off, eventually.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (BbGew)
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I have a bunch of tube amps, tube pre-amps.
Even some old microphones with tubes, WWII era.
I love 'em.
Do an A B comparison with digital and tubes and you will never go back.
Even some old microphones with tubes, WWII era.
I love 'em.
Do an A B comparison with digital and tubes and you will never go back.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:37 PM (w7KSn)
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I'm hoping PDT's yuge pounce will be like taking care of all family business.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 24, 2019 01:37 PM (xzqr4)
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If you really need to get rid of something big like a couch or old tv, drive to the illegal immigrant side of town and chuck it on someone's lawn. They are exempt from recycling laws.
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2019 01:33 PM (EP4dc)
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We used to just put old furniture and stuff like TVs out to the curb with a sign saying $20. The morning before the garbage collectors came, Mexicans in pickups would come through the neighborhood and take all that stuff.
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2019 01:33 PM (EP4dc)
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We used to just put old furniture and stuff like TVs out to the curb with a sign saying $20. The morning before the garbage collectors came, Mexicans in pickups would come through the neighborhood and take all that stuff.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:37 PM (ffYR/)
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I have a wild idea! Let the free market decide how to deal with the bag issue, and restrict government to simply enforcing the laws against littering.
But ... but ... we have to DO something!
The People's Republic of Retardia #&8212 aka "California" #&8212 imposed a fee for plastic bags, nominally to reduce littering. The only people who don't have to pay it are those on EBT. Which people are, of course, the ones primarily responsible for littering, as a casual perusal of where they live will attest. Genius.
But ... but ... we have to DO something!
The People's Republic of Retardia #&8212 aka "California" #&8212 imposed a fee for plastic bags, nominally to reduce littering. The only people who don't have to pay it are those on EBT. Which people are, of course, the ones primarily responsible for littering, as a casual perusal of where they live will attest. Genius.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 01:38 PM (YqDXo)
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Mercury is very valuable, long ago heating guys took all thermostat mercury and put it into a gallon bottle, they thought it was going to be a gold mine someday.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 01:38 PM (BbGew)
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Mexicans in pickups would come through the neighborhood and take all that stuff.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:37 PM (ffYR/)
Doing the recycling that Americans won't do...
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:37 PM (ffYR/)
Doing the recycling that Americans won't do...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 01:39 PM (wYseH)
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Save the Whales...for dinner!
Posted by: A Sign in Barrow, AK at March 24, 2019 01:39 PM (tVQUs)
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And they can't wrap their minds around the new
obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long
disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that -
because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was
right, and that they were Wrong all along.
Many of them weren't wrong. They were part of the disinformation campaign. They did it knowingly.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:29 PM (/tuJf)
Not the good little leftist soldiers who watch Maddow and Matthews and Colbert and Kimmel and comment on the NY Times and WashPost websites while listening to NPR.
They believed it. ALL of it. They were pawns.
obvious fact that they have all been nothing but pawns in a 3 year long
disinformation campaign. Most of them will still never accept that -
because to accept it would mean accepting that the Hated Trump was
right, and that they were Wrong all along.
Many of them weren't wrong. They were part of the disinformation campaign. They did it knowingly.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:29 PM (/tuJf)
Not the good little leftist soldiers who watch Maddow and Matthews and Colbert and Kimmel and comment on the NY Times and WashPost websites while listening to NPR.
They believed it. ALL of it. They were pawns.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:39 PM (NFEMn)
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I used to leave stuff out for the trash guys they normally wouldn't pick up. A six pack of beer on top of the stuff usually did the trick.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 24, 2019 01:40 PM (xzqr4)
250
AOP- saw the other morning you mentioned threaded pipe joints leaking, had the same thing on my water heater so kept a cup under, it after a couple of weeks totally stopped.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 01:41 PM (BbGew)
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Oh, and almost every car in line had either a "Trump" bumpersticker or a "Don't Tread on Me" license plate.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (fdTrp)
We ain't gonna vote our way out of this.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (fdTrp)
We ain't gonna vote our way out of this.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:41 PM (OE84+)
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Ha. I forgot that I'd recently seen a brand new Chevy HD diesel truck with some homebuilders sign on the side and a "make America green again" bumpersticker.
That really sums it up, too. YOU need to limit yourself, citizen. I'm going to be exempt because reasons.
That really sums it up, too. YOU need to limit yourself, citizen. I'm going to be exempt because reasons.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:41 PM (xyung)
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My big beef with this article is that she does not question Gerbil Worming at all. Once you realize that Gerbil Worming is bullshit, then the futility and stupidity of anything done to combat it is patently obvious.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (nPGq2)
This.
People of the community-based reality all sing from the same hymnal. They desperately need a booster shot of skepticism, just generally speaking.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (nPGq2)
This.
People of the community-based reality all sing from the same hymnal. They desperately need a booster shot of skepticism, just generally speaking.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 01:41 PM (YqDXo)
254
Electrical shock, even when not plugged in.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:20 PM (w7KSn)
Ok, here's a nice article, about MAC crt's, but I'm assuming the same applies?
https://tinyurl.com/lx5gqh5
Bottom line appears to be, the thing about getting shocks is mostly a myth.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:20 PM (w7KSn)
Ok, here's a nice article, about MAC crt's, but I'm assuming the same applies?
https://tinyurl.com/lx5gqh5
Bottom line appears to be, the thing about getting shocks is mostly a myth.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 01:41 PM (cY3LT)
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I'm not so sure of that. Aluminum prices took a dip recently, but they are still way above what they were.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:41 PM (wYseH)
I got some nice pocket money for some aluminum scrap last summer. Paid for a fill of gas for my truck, and a few beers. Since I would have had to make the trip anyway, that helped the bottom line.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 24, 2019 12:41 PM (wYseH)
I got some nice pocket money for some aluminum scrap last summer. Paid for a fill of gas for my truck, and a few beers. Since I would have had to make the trip anyway, that helped the bottom line.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:42 PM (nPGq2)
256
I would love to get mom's old stereo fixed. It has tubes. 2 wood boxes, one with the turntable and the other stores albums. She put it on lay-a-way back in the late 50's. Sound was great!
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 01:42 PM (9L2du)
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I would love to get mom's old stereo fixed. It has tubes. 2 wood boxes, one with the turntable and the other stores albums. She put it on lay-a-way back in the late 50's. Sound was great!
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 01:42 PM (9L2du)
I'm sure those speakers will handle about 5 watts.
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 01:42 PM (9L2du)
I'm sure those speakers will handle about 5 watts.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:43 PM (OE84+)
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then loaded onto ships (more energy) and shipped across the ocean to China (more energy), and then trucked (more energy) to smelting plants, smelted back to raw aluminum (more energy), then shipped back to the port (more energy) then shipped back across the ocean, etc. etc. etc.
Build local AL smelters?
Build local AL smelters?
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at March 24, 2019 01:43 PM (LPnfS)
Posted by: Deep State in DEEP SHIT at March 24, 2019 01:43 PM (BqBId)
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The last time I sold aluminum I'd saved cans for three months or so. Made $48 and got a nail in a $180 tire.
They go right in the trash now.
They go right in the trash now.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:44 PM (xyung)
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Now, what to do with this mercury filled thing. Can't toss it into the
trash, can't find some place that I can drop it off, no recycling in the
area. So, I have to sign up for the once a month hazardous waste drop
off. I wait in line for a half an hour while all these cars and trucks
are dropping off paint, gas and other chemicals and then I drive up and
hand the guy a ziploc bag with a thermostat in it.
Gas company broke a mercury switch outside the house of my brothers neighbor and before it was over they had to live in a hotel and lost most of the contents in their house from "contamination" after hazmat got done. If I were you I'd break it on the sidewalk and shine up a dime like we did as kids.
trash, can't find some place that I can drop it off, no recycling in the
area. So, I have to sign up for the once a month hazardous waste drop
off. I wait in line for a half an hour while all these cars and trucks
are dropping off paint, gas and other chemicals and then I drive up and
hand the guy a ziploc bag with a thermostat in it.
Gas company broke a mercury switch outside the house of my brothers neighbor and before it was over they had to live in a hotel and lost most of the contents in their house from "contamination" after hazmat got done. If I were you I'd break it on the sidewalk and shine up a dime like we did as kids.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 01:44 PM (K22Va)
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It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD
I saw that posted by one of my lefties feeling betrayed.
I saw that posted by one of my lefties feeling betrayed.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 01:45 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:45 PM (OE84+)
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Having a truck, I had to help a neighbor carry stuff to our country landfill yesterday. $33 a ton for non-hazardous stuff.
He paid the $4 minimum.
He paid the $4 minimum.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:45 PM (yQpMk)
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*******
I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota
or Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that
would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and
consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A.
*********
This already exists in northeast PA. It seems like most of NY & NJ is already in our old coal strip mines that are now towering landfills. If I wanted to find Jimmy Hoffa I'd check out one of the landfills near Scranton.
I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota
or Oklahoma or wherever, that's dying for some influx of revenue, that
would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and
consider opening a mass landfill here in the US of A.
*********
This already exists in northeast PA. It seems like most of NY & NJ is already in our old coal strip mines that are now towering landfills. If I wanted to find Jimmy Hoffa I'd check out one of the landfills near Scranton.
Posted by: Cosda at March 24, 2019 01:45 PM (0G9ca)
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>>They believed it. ALL of it. They were pawns.
They were. But more than a handful were spoon fed the information and they used it knowing it was fake to create narratives.
Mollie Hemingway was on Fox earlier today and made a really good point. If you go back to the election there were very few voices willing to go against the overwhelming narrative that Trump colluded with Russia. There was plenty of evidence he didn't or at least there a lot of loose ends but few were willing to stick their heads up for fear of being called a cultist, in the tank for Trump or just crazy.
That was intentional. It's the same pattern the media has been using for many years to make dissenters unpeople.
They were. But more than a handful were spoon fed the information and they used it knowing it was fake to create narratives.
Mollie Hemingway was on Fox earlier today and made a really good point. If you go back to the election there were very few voices willing to go against the overwhelming narrative that Trump colluded with Russia. There was plenty of evidence he didn't or at least there a lot of loose ends but few were willing to stick their heads up for fear of being called a cultist, in the tank for Trump or just crazy.
That was intentional. It's the same pattern the media has been using for many years to make dissenters unpeople.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:47 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:47 PM (Y+V3r)
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https://goo.gl/RG8BSZ
*******
It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD
Posted by: Deep State in DEEP SHIT at March 24, 2019 01:43 PM (BqBId)
Except for the fact that there was way more "evidence" that Saddam had WMDs--he's already used them---than there ever was for Russiagate.
I'm going to reject the comparison.
*******
It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD
Posted by: Deep State in DEEP SHIT at March 24, 2019 01:43 PM (BqBId)
Except for the fact that there was way more "evidence" that Saddam had WMDs--he's already used them---than there ever was for Russiagate.
I'm going to reject the comparison.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:48 PM (NFEMn)
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192 Nasty surprises? Like what??
Highly charged capacitors.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:21 PM (yQpMk)
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Yep. They retain energy for a surprisingly long time.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:23 PM (ffYR/)
Especially those big electrolytic capacitors in power supplies.
Highly charged capacitors.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:21 PM (yQpMk)
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Yep. They retain energy for a surprisingly long time.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:23 PM (ffYR/)
Especially those big electrolytic capacitors in power supplies.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 01:48 PM (YqDXo)
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The last time I sold aluminum I'd saved cans for three months or so. Made $48 and got a nail in a $180 tire.
They go right in the trash now.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:44 PM (xyung)
Yup, there you go. I'm in an area where the recycling truck has to back out of the street if they come down to where I am, because I'm past the last side street. They just blow me off. I hauled the frigging recycling containers out every week for over a month and they never picked them up. Everything goes in the garbage now.
They go right in the trash now.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:44 PM (xyung)
Yup, there you go. I'm in an area where the recycling truck has to back out of the street if they come down to where I am, because I'm past the last side street. They just blow me off. I hauled the frigging recycling containers out every week for over a month and they never picked them up. Everything goes in the garbage now.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 24, 2019 01:49 PM (9Om/r)
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The russians have been trying to fuck with our elections and the US for over 80 years...Now THAT is a fact. Now give me 25 million.
And anyone who did not know that is a fuckin idiot
And anyone who did not know that is a fuckin idiot
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:49 PM (Y+V3r)
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Probably just in time to be Willowed. Most of my professional career, i worked for a vertically integrated recycled paper comapny. We had waste paper plants, paper mills, and converting operations. Two things killed the paper recycling business. Mandatory municipal recycling and export of our light manufacturing industries. The mandatory recycling introduced so many contaminants that the paper being recycled was no longer usable by recycled paper mills. Nothing but higher priced trash. With the light industrial products being produced overseas, the packaging went with it.
Posted by: Agitator at March 24, 2019 01:49 PM (rd4+I)
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212
Pour the paint into the storm drain. Empty cans are easier to handle. Used motor oil can be disposed of the same way.
Posted by: Insomniac
It won't fit, what with all the pesticides and antifreeze I put there yesterday.
Posted by: pep at March 24, 2019 01:28 PM (T6t7i)
Can't do that shit now.
Guy I know owns a restuarant and had a company come in to clean the grease off the hoods and other equipment one night/morning. The company did it in the parking lot and all the stuff drained into the storm drains. A couple of days later the state EPA showed up at his door with some fines. It seems that they install monitors in the storm drains so that they can track any spills back to the culprit.
He got the company to pay the fine, but while the EPA guy was there, one of his employees was taking a bag of garbage out and some liquid dripped out on the flower bed. EPA guy told him that if they didn't dig up all the soil and have it "cleaned" that they would be fined every day until they did it. It cost several grand to have it done on a flower bed that is about 6'x2'.
Pour the paint into the storm drain. Empty cans are easier to handle. Used motor oil can be disposed of the same way.
Posted by: Insomniac
It won't fit, what with all the pesticides and antifreeze I put there yesterday.
Posted by: pep at March 24, 2019 01:28 PM (T6t7i)
Can't do that shit now.
Guy I know owns a restuarant and had a company come in to clean the grease off the hoods and other equipment one night/morning. The company did it in the parking lot and all the stuff drained into the storm drains. A couple of days later the state EPA showed up at his door with some fines. It seems that they install monitors in the storm drains so that they can track any spills back to the culprit.
He got the company to pay the fine, but while the EPA guy was there, one of his employees was taking a bag of garbage out and some liquid dripped out on the flower bed. EPA guy told him that if they didn't dig up all the soil and have it "cleaned" that they would be fined every day until they did it. It cost several grand to have it done on a flower bed that is about 6'x2'.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 01:49 PM (fdTrp)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:49 PM (/tuJf)
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There's a nice tradition at some Massachusetts town dumps landfills transfer stations called "take it or leave it" or, in Chatham, the gift shop.
If you're throwing out something that someone else may want you put it there. If nobody wants it it goes where it would have gone.
I've got some nice books, an aquarium, and other goodies that way.
If you're throwing out something that someone else may want you put it there. If nobody wants it it goes where it would have gone.
I've got some nice books, an aquarium, and other goodies that way.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 01:50 PM (fuK7c)
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I'm not supposed to put old TV's and half full paint cans in the trash?
Who knew?
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 01:24 PM (9L2du)
Yup....that's what the dumpster at work is for.
Just get there a little early.
Who knew?
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 01:24 PM (9L2du)
Yup....that's what the dumpster at work is for.
Just get there a little early.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2019 01:50 PM (Z+IKu)
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Ok, here's a nice article, about MAC crt's, but I'm assuming the same applies?
https://tinyurl.com/lx5gqh5
Bottom line appears to be, the thing about getting shocks is mostly a myth.
Posted by: BurtTC
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Ok, here's a nice article, about MAC crt's, but I'm assuming the same applies?
https://tinyurl.com/lx5gqh5
Bottom line appears to be, the thing about getting shocks is mostly a myth.
Posted by: BurtTC
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 01:50 PM (aKsyK)
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I probably have well over 500 pounds of aluminum scap out back
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 01:50 PM (BbGew)
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233 You can buy tube stereo receivers with the tubes prominently displayed right on the front edge of the top of the unit.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (xyung)
The old tube receivers had the tubes inside the housing. Putting them outside on the top sure sounds like virtue signaling to me.
Although it would make changing the tubes easy. Assuming you could find a replacement.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:35 PM (xyung)
The old tube receivers had the tubes inside the housing. Putting them outside on the top sure sounds like virtue signaling to me.
Although it would make changing the tubes easy. Assuming you could find a replacement.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:51 PM (sdi6R)
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Gas company broke a mercury switch outside the house of my brothers neighbor and before it was over they had to live in a hotel and lost most of the contents in their house from "contamination" after hazmat got done. If I were you I'd break it on the sidewalk and shine up a dime like we did as kids.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 01:44 PM (K22Va)
Actually using the mercury to prepare an amalgam mitigates its toxicity. A clean oxide-free piece of copper will do the job. Think about it: mercury amalgams were used for many decades to prepare dental fillings.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 01:44 PM (K22Va)
Actually using the mercury to prepare an amalgam mitigates its toxicity. A clean oxide-free piece of copper will do the job. Think about it: mercury amalgams were used for many decades to prepare dental fillings.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 01:51 PM (YqDXo)
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Diana Ross urged critics of Michael Jackson to stop in the name of love.???
What the fuck is with her and that scrunt streisand?
They like child abusers?
What the fuck is with her and that scrunt streisand?
They like child abusers?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:52 PM (Y+V3r)
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I'm sure those speakers will handle about 5 watts.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:43 PM (OE84+)
Not sure about that. She used to crank those fuckers. I used to sneak out to the garage and sleep in the car so I couldn't hear it.
I'm sure those speakers will handle about 5 watts.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:43 PM (OE84+)
Not sure about that. She used to crank those fuckers. I used to sneak out to the garage and sleep in the car so I couldn't hear it.
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 01:52 PM (9L2du)
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They were. But more than a handful were spoon fed the information and they used it knowing it was fake to create narratives.
Mollie Hemingway was on Fox earlier today and made a really good point. If you go back to the election there were very few voices willing to go against the overwhelming narrative that Trump colluded with Russia. There was plenty of evidence he didn't or at least there a lot of loose ends but few were willing to stick their heads up for fear of being called a cultist, in the tank for Trump or just crazy.
That was intentional. It's the same pattern the media has been using for many years to make dissenters unpeople.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:47 PM (/tuJf)
I agree with this, absolutely.
I think for some of the ones you are referring to, it was all about protecting the "legacy" of scandal-free, "no-drama" Obama. There's no way they were ( and are) going to let Obama leave old Dick Nixon in the dust when it comes to presidential perfidy......
Mollie Hemingway was on Fox earlier today and made a really good point. If you go back to the election there were very few voices willing to go against the overwhelming narrative that Trump colluded with Russia. There was plenty of evidence he didn't or at least there a lot of loose ends but few were willing to stick their heads up for fear of being called a cultist, in the tank for Trump or just crazy.
That was intentional. It's the same pattern the media has been using for many years to make dissenters unpeople.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:47 PM (/tuJf)
I agree with this, absolutely.
I think for some of the ones you are referring to, it was all about protecting the "legacy" of scandal-free, "no-drama" Obama. There's no way they were ( and are) going to let Obama leave old Dick Nixon in the dust when it comes to presidential perfidy......
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 01:52 PM (NFEMn)
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If it were about the environment (and we were smart) we'd focus on mining tech to extract valuable recyclables from landfills at some point in the future. Maybe even arrange landfills to make that mining more efficient.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:52 PM (xyung)
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The mandatory deposits as required by some states is not a response to market/economic forces, but rather an anti-litter enforcement method.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)
And, to that end, it mostly works. I'd like to see that deposit system put into effect for cartridge cases, too. Maybe a penny for .22's, a nickel for pistol cases, and a dime for rifle and shotgun hulls. You go four-wheeling out on the desert here, and some sites have a huge litter of cartridge cases, and the shit used as targets. "Pack it in; pack it out" should be the mantra.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 12:47 PM (CDGwz)
And, to that end, it mostly works. I'd like to see that deposit system put into effect for cartridge cases, too. Maybe a penny for .22's, a nickel for pistol cases, and a dime for rifle and shotgun hulls. You go four-wheeling out on the desert here, and some sites have a huge litter of cartridge cases, and the shit used as targets. "Pack it in; pack it out" should be the mantra.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:52 PM (nPGq2)
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clinton and obama politisized all the federal agencies and the bushes did not lift a finger to stop it or might have even aided it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:54 PM (Y+V3r)
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Baltimore. Such a lovely place.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:45 PM (OE84+)
If Hogan is dumb enough to run the first three questions should be:1) Baltimore2) Baltimore3) Baltimore
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:45 PM (OE84+)
If Hogan is dumb enough to run the first three questions should be:1) Baltimore2) Baltimore3) Baltimore
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2019 01:55 PM (n13/j)
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The old tube receivers had the tubes inside the housing. Putting them outside on the top sure sounds like virtue signaling to me.
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Oh, absolutely. It's the same reason the bizarre looking Prius sells like crazy and the looks-like-a-civic Civic doesn't.
How is anyone going to know it sounds better if you don't show them that it's supposed to sound better?
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Oh, absolutely. It's the same reason the bizarre looking Prius sells like crazy and the looks-like-a-civic Civic doesn't.
How is anyone going to know it sounds better if you don't show them that it's supposed to sound better?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:55 PM (xyung)
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People of the community-based reality all sing from the same hymnal. They desperately need a booster shot of skepticism, just generally speaking.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 01:41 PM (Y
"community-based reality"
Very nice turn of phrase.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 01:41 PM (Y
"community-based reality"
Very nice turn of phrase.
Posted by: Hands at March 24, 2019 01:55 PM (786Ro)
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Tubes generate heat, so if they are in a housing it should ventilated.
In the old Fender amps, the tubes were in the back and easy to access.
In the old Fender amps, the tubes were in the back and easy to access.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:57 PM (w7KSn)
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>>I think for some of the ones you are referring to, it was all about protecting the "legacy" of scandal-free, "no-drama" Obama. There's no way they were ( and are) going to let Obama leave old Dick Nixon in the dust when it comes to presidential perfidy......
Absolutely. This entire scam was really a CIA led operation with some nefarious outside help including Soros and McCain. And it was done to distract from the real collusion between Hillary and elements in Ukraine, elements those same people helped put in those jobs after engineering the coup in Ukraine in 2014.
They know this or at least they should know this if they are actual journalists. I know it and I'm just a moron with an internet connection. But they have refused to report on it for obvious reasons.
They aren't real journalists. They are leftwing activists.
Absolutely. This entire scam was really a CIA led operation with some nefarious outside help including Soros and McCain. And it was done to distract from the real collusion between Hillary and elements in Ukraine, elements those same people helped put in those jobs after engineering the coup in Ukraine in 2014.
They know this or at least they should know this if they are actual journalists. I know it and I'm just a moron with an internet connection. But they have refused to report on it for obvious reasons.
They aren't real journalists. They are leftwing activists.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 01:57 PM (/tuJf)
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I was reading the comments on a blog post about "white nationalism" on another forum (the original post itself is not worth reading), but the conversation devolved into a discussion on Muslim immigration in OZ.
The amusing? terrifying? disgusting? take on it a Muslim poster had....
Muslims and immigrants have never caused any problem in OZ
And then a little later
Now that we control the vote you can't get rid of us
So taking self determination away from the native born isn't a problem? Are you sh*ting me?
I mean this is the point behind all these massive immigration invasions throughout the west...but it is interesting to see its proponents are admitting to it.
The amusing? terrifying? disgusting? take on it a Muslim poster had....
Muslims and immigrants have never caused any problem in OZ
And then a little later
Now that we control the vote you can't get rid of us
So taking self determination away from the native born isn't a problem? Are you sh*ting me?
I mean this is the point behind all these massive immigration invasions throughout the west...but it is interesting to see its proponents are admitting to it.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 24, 2019 01:58 PM (cRkMZ)
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This already exists in northeast PA. It seems like
most of NY NJ is already in our old coal strip mines that are now
towering landfills. If I wanted to find Jimmy Hoffa I'd check out one
of the landfills near Scranton.
Posted by: Cosda
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Nope, not Scranton. Hoffa is buried in Tamaqua. The reason being, no one will look in Tah MOCK quah" - they'll be looking for "TOM a quaw" and never find it.
most of NY NJ is already in our old coal strip mines that are now
towering landfills. If I wanted to find Jimmy Hoffa I'd check out one
of the landfills near Scranton.
Posted by: Cosda
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Nope, not Scranton. Hoffa is buried in Tamaqua. The reason being, no one will look in Tah MOCK quah" - they'll be looking for "TOM a quaw" and never find it.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 01:58 PM (Y4EXg)
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286 clinton and obama politisized all the federal agencies and the bushes did not lift a finger to stop it or might have even aided it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:54 PM (Y+V3r)
Obama broke all kinds of campaign finance laws in 2008 and Bush's FEC didn't bat an eye.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:54 PM (Y+V3r)
Obama broke all kinds of campaign finance laws in 2008 and Bush's FEC didn't bat an eye.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:58 PM (sdi6R)
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Take it out of the Earth, put it back into the Earth. What a crazy idea! The folly of it all is humans thinking we're so powerful, we've created, from the Earth, something capable of killing the Earth. That's some really twisted logic there.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (cY3LT)
Plastic is made from natural gas, and still has a high energy content. Simply burn it to run a power plant. With a suitable burner design, it will burn smoke-free.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:31 PM (nPGq2)
It all looks like some sort of irrational belief in reverse alchemy.
Instead of having found the way to make gold out of other matter, we believe humans have discovered that everything we touch is fouled and turned into indestructible waste.
It's insanity is what it is.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 12:29 PM (cY3LT)
Plastic is made from natural gas, and still has a high energy content. Simply burn it to run a power plant. With a suitable burner design, it will burn smoke-free.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:31 PM (nPGq2)
It all looks like some sort of irrational belief in reverse alchemy.
Instead of having found the way to make gold out of other matter, we believe humans have discovered that everything we touch is fouled and turned into indestructible waste.
It's insanity is what it is.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (cY3LT)
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Barr must be a slow reader
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (Y+V3r)
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Oh, and almost every car in line had either a "Trump" bumpersticker or a "Don't Tread on Me" license plate.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (fdTrp)
We ain't gonna vote our way out of this.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:41 PM (OE84+)
Just pointing out that the people doing the illegal dumping tend to be Hillary voters.
Or those who voted for Hillary illegally.
Oh, and almost every car in line had either a "Trump" bumpersticker or a "Don't Tread on Me" license plate.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (fdTrp)
We ain't gonna vote our way out of this.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 01:41 PM (OE84+)
Just pointing out that the people doing the illegal dumping tend to be Hillary voters.
Or those who voted for Hillary illegally.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 02:00 PM (fdTrp)
Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Hoffa at March 24, 2019 02:00 PM (EgshT)
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clinton and obama politisized all the federal agencies and the bushes did not lift a finger to stop it or might have even aided it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:54 PM (Y+V3r)
Obama broke all kinds of campaign finance laws in 2008 and Bush's FEC didn't bat an eye.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:58 PM (sdi6R)
Why do you think the Clinton's, Bush's and Obama's are so chummy--incestuous actually---and unified in their disgust with Trump?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:54 PM (Y+V3r)
Obama broke all kinds of campaign finance laws in 2008 and Bush's FEC didn't bat an eye.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:58 PM (sdi6R)
Why do you think the Clinton's, Bush's and Obama's are so chummy--incestuous actually---and unified in their disgust with Trump?
Posted by: JoeF. at March 24, 2019 02:01 PM (NFEMn)
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Ok, here's a nice article, about MAC crt's, but I'm assuming the same applies?
https://tinyurl.com/lx5gqh5
Bottom line appears to be, the thing about getting shocks is mostly a myth.
Posted by: BurtTC
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 01:50 PM (aKsyK)
I just bought for myself a set of insulated screwdrivers for the simple purpose of testing the power supply/tubes for voltage.
Bing bang boom, done.
If you never hear from me again after Tuesday, you'll know that article was wrong.
https://tinyurl.com/lx5gqh5
Bottom line appears to be, the thing about getting shocks is mostly a myth.
Posted by: BurtTC
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 01:50 PM (aKsyK)
I just bought for myself a set of insulated screwdrivers for the simple purpose of testing the power supply/tubes for voltage.
Bing bang boom, done.
If you never hear from me again after Tuesday, you'll know that article was wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 02:01 PM (cY3LT)
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They could have at least dumped my in Foxboro.
Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Hoffa at March 24, 2019 02:01 PM (EgshT)
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I suppose there is some difference in a capacitor for an old CRT Mac (13" diagonal) and a huge CRT tv (50"), but what do I know...
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 02:02 PM (w7KSn)
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Anyone else worried that Ace is turning into The Fly or something?
Anyone else worried that Ace is turning into The Fly or something?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:02 PM (iEGjK)
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I'll say it again: I hardly ever felt so liberated as when I gave up recycling.
Plastic bags are the only thing we still recycle, because Wal-Mart and the grocery store both have handy bins at the entrance where we can throw them. Son worked at the grocer years ago, and he said they just throw them in the dumpster. Wal-Mart probably hauls them off somewhere equivalent but less obvious.
I hope they don't mind that the bags I recycle are full of cat poo. Hahaha. Just kidding.
The only law on plastic bags that I want is, if you habitually throw them out where the wind can whisk them away, you should be forced to wear one on your head. Tightly tied.
I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota or Oklahoma or wherever... that would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and consider opening a mass landfill...
All the local garbage (and all my no-longer recycleds) ends up in the dump west of town. Gentle rolling hills provide convenient little valleys that are properly lined, filled up, then covered with fresh prairie. We don't want NY's garbage, maybe Western Kansas can have that, but there really is plenty of room for our own trash for ages to come. It's all so eco-logical 'n' stuff!
Plastic bags are the only thing we still recycle, because Wal-Mart and the grocery store both have handy bins at the entrance where we can throw them. Son worked at the grocer years ago, and he said they just throw them in the dumpster. Wal-Mart probably hauls them off somewhere equivalent but less obvious.
I hope they don't mind that the bags I recycle are full of cat poo. Hahaha. Just kidding.
The only law on plastic bags that I want is, if you habitually throw them out where the wind can whisk them away, you should be forced to wear one on your head. Tightly tied.
I would have to think there's some county in Kansas or South Dakota or Oklahoma or wherever... that would take a look at all the open space, being used for nothing, and consider opening a mass landfill...
All the local garbage (and all my no-longer recycleds) ends up in the dump west of town. Gentle rolling hills provide convenient little valleys that are properly lined, filled up, then covered with fresh prairie. We don't want NY's garbage, maybe Western Kansas can have that, but there really is plenty of room for our own trash for ages to come. It's all so eco-logical 'n' stuff!
Posted by: skybal webworker, randomly cycling, at March 24, 2019 02:02 PM (GvEen)
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Obama broke all kinds of campaign finance laws in 2008 and Bush's FEC didn't bat an eye.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:58 PM (sdi6R)
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Removing the CVV requirement for donations was the most egregious example of this. Straight up illegal, and allowed Soros and company to funnel in money from all over the world.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:58 PM (sdi6R)
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Removing the CVV requirement for donations was the most egregious example of this. Straight up illegal, and allowed Soros and company to funnel in money from all over the world.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:03 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:03 PM (iEGjK)
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Nonsense. I'm eight feet under Section 32, Row C.
Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Hoffa at March 24, 2019 02:00 PM (EgshT)
Well now your burried under a parking lot
Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Hoffa at March 24, 2019 02:00 PM (EgshT)
Well now your burried under a parking lot
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:03 PM (Y+V3r)
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Took over a year of complaining to get the local recycling company to fix their damn trucks. Their hydraulics sucked, dripping fluid into the street for over a year.
Assholes.
Assholes.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2019 02:05 PM (0tfLf)
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I sure wish Jerry Rivers would come and find me.
Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Hoffa at March 24, 2019 02:05 PM (EgshT)
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Instead of having found the way to make gold out of other matter, we believe humans have discovered that everything we touch is fouled and turned into indestructible waste.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (cY3LT)
As George Carlin said in his epic environmentalism rant, "After humans go extinct, all that will be left is plastic. Maybe humans were just Earth's way of getting plastic."
Instead of having found the way to make gold out of other matter, we believe humans have discovered that everything we touch is fouled and turned into indestructible waste.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (cY3LT)
As George Carlin said in his epic environmentalism rant, "After humans go extinct, all that will be left is plastic. Maybe humans were just Earth's way of getting plastic."
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 02:06 PM (sdi6R)
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Anyone else worried that Ace is turning into The Fly or something?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:02 PM
Yeah. His most recent sidebar comment -- it's day 8 and I feel great! It's like a regime announcing the dictator for life is in perfect health even though he hasn't been seen in public for two months. Gave me that sort of vibe anyway. Come to think of it, it's also sort of like RBG.
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:02 PM
Yeah. His most recent sidebar comment -- it's day 8 and I feel great! It's like a regime announcing the dictator for life is in perfect health even though he hasn't been seen in public for two months. Gave me that sort of vibe anyway. Come to think of it, it's also sort of like RBG.
Posted by: Hands at March 24, 2019 02:06 PM (786Ro)
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We used to just take them out to the desert and shoot them to pieces. Was a lot of fun.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (w7KSn)
Indeed. But haul the busted glass out again, please.
I take old TV's apart, and salvage certain components.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 01:14 PM (w7KSn)
Indeed. But haul the busted glass out again, please.
I take old TV's apart, and salvage certain components.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (nPGq2)
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Just pointing out that the people doing the illegal dumping tend to be Hillary voters.
Or those who voted for Hillary illegally.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 02:00 PM (fdTrp)
I'm with you on this. You should see our roadsides in certain parts of the county.
Or those who voted for Hillary illegally.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 02:00 PM (fdTrp)
I'm with you on this. You should see our roadsides in certain parts of the county.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (OE84+)
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As George Carlin said in his epic environmentalism rant, "After humans go extinct, all that will be left is plastic. Maybe humans were just Earth's way of getting plastic."
Do you have that backwards?
As George Carlin said in his epic environmentalism rant, "After humans go extinct, all that will be left is plastic. Maybe humans were just Earth's way of getting plastic."
Do you have that backwards?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (iEGjK)
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Barr must be a slow reader
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (Y+V3r)
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From what I've heard, the report is over 1400 pages. I don't blame him for being thorough and making sure he doesn't miss any of the Claymores it may contain. He only has one chance to get the initial summary release right.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (Y+V3r)
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From what I've heard, the report is over 1400 pages. I don't blame him for being thorough and making sure he doesn't miss any of the Claymores it may contain. He only has one chance to get the initial summary release right.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (ffYR/)
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Well now your burried under a parking lot
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:03 PM (Y+V3r)
No, that was me.
Well now your burried under a parking lot
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:03 PM (Y+V3r)
No, that was me.
Posted by: King Richard III at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (sdi6R)
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Barbra Streisand Profoundly Sorry for Comments on Michael Jackson Accusers
Apology not accepted. Go fuck yourself you hypocrite
Apology not accepted. Go fuck yourself you hypocrite
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (Y+V3r)
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Our plastic bag (frightening!!) reuse is extensive. I wouldnt know what we would use as replacements given that reuse is so diverse and constant. We save every one and typically run out of them. I'm thinking of starting a black market over in San Diego, just a 5 hour drive here from Phx.
Posted by: Ed Anthony at March 24, 2019 02:08 PM (A803X)
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Barr must be a slow reader
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (Y+V3r)
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From what I've heard, the report is over 1400 pages. I don't blame him for being thorough and making sure he doesn't miss any of the Claymores it may contain. He only has one chance to get the initial summary release right.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (ffYR/)
Obvioulsy you never saw me pull an all nighter in college?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (Y+V3r)
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From what I've heard, the report is over 1400 pages. I don't blame him for being thorough and making sure he doesn't miss any of the Claymores it may contain. He only has one chance to get the initial summary release right.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (ffYR/)
Obvioulsy you never saw me pull an all nighter in college?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:08 PM (Y+V3r)
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Barr probably wanted to make sure McCabe and Rosenstain had a chance to look over the report and make any corrections or additions.
Barr probably wanted to make sure McCabe and Rosenstain had a chance to look over the report and make any corrections or additions.
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:09 PM (iEGjK)
321
over the line....[CBD]
Posted by: The Chicken at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (ME7b2)
322
His most recent sidebar comment -- it's day 8 and I feel great! It's
like a regime announcing the dictator for life is in perfect health even
though he hasn't been seen in public for two months.
I think he's trying to attain Nirvana. He'll live on light and air.
like a regime announcing the dictator for life is in perfect health even
though he hasn't been seen in public for two months.
I think he's trying to attain Nirvana. He'll live on light and air.
Posted by: pep at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (T6t7i)
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From what I've heard, the report is over 1400 pages. I don't blame him for being thorough and making sure he doesn't miss any of the Claymores it may contain. He only has one chance to get the initial summary release right."
agreed - a rush job in these circumstances could be catastrophic. Instead, a few overanxious journolistas might pee their pants. Oh, the horror.
agreed - a rush job in these circumstances could be catastrophic. Instead, a few overanxious journolistas might pee their pants. Oh, the horror.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (V2Yro)
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I think he's trying to attain Nirvana. He'll live on light and air.
Posted by: pep
IOW, he's becoming an orchid.
Posted by: pep
IOW, he's becoming an orchid.
Posted by: pep at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (T6t7i)
325
Instead of having found the way to make gold out of other matter, we believe humans have discovered that everything we touch is fouled and turned into indestructible waste.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (cY3LT)
I consider this a consequence of the feminization of American culture. For some reason, a lot of women seem to get a thrill from the Simon Legree scenario, namely, being tied to the railroad tracks and then saved at the last minute. All of these "existential threats" fall into that category ("we're doomed! Only by extreme action NOW can we be saved!").
Of course, the Reds go in for promulgating this crap because it gives them a way to mobilize people, to tighten their grip on power, and to get people to give up some freedom in this Great Cause.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 01:59 PM (cY3LT)
I consider this a consequence of the feminization of American culture. For some reason, a lot of women seem to get a thrill from the Simon Legree scenario, namely, being tied to the railroad tracks and then saved at the last minute. All of these "existential threats" fall into that category ("we're doomed! Only by extreme action NOW can we be saved!").
Of course, the Reds go in for promulgating this crap because it gives them a way to mobilize people, to tighten their grip on power, and to get people to give up some freedom in this Great Cause.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (YqDXo)
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From what I've heard, the report is over 1400 pages. I don't blame him for being thorough and making sure he doesn't miss any of the Claymores it may contain. He only has one chance to get the initial summary release right.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (ffYR/)
Obvioulsy you never saw me pull an all nighter in college?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:08 PM (Y+V3r)
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The stakes are somewhat higher here.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (ffYR/)
Obvioulsy you never saw me pull an all nighter in college?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:08 PM (Y+V3r)
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The stakes are somewhat higher here.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:11 PM (iEGjK)
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Obvioulsy you never saw me pull an all nighter in college?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:08 PM (Y+V3r)
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The stakes are somewhat higher here.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (ffYR/)
Apparently you don't notice sarcasm either? LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:08 PM (Y+V3r)
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The stakes are somewhat higher here.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (ffYR/)
Apparently you don't notice sarcasm either? LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:12 PM (Y+V3r)
329
One would think reading a thousand page legal document in a couple of days would be easier than writing a thousand page legal document in a couple of days, but I'm told the latter happens all the time and shut up, citizen.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 02:12 PM (xyung)
330
Obama broke all kinds of campaign finance laws in 2008 and Bush's FEC didn't bat an eye.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:58 PM (sdi6R)
The FEC only investigates after the election. So by the time the FEC would get around to investigating, Obama was President. Obama did get hit with a $375K campaign finance violation fine, but that was nothing considering that he had a $1B campaign.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:58 PM (sdi6R)
The FEC only investigates after the election. So by the time the FEC would get around to investigating, Obama was President. Obama did get hit with a $375K campaign finance violation fine, but that was nothing considering that he had a $1B campaign.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 02:12 PM (fdTrp)
331
The stakes are somewhat higher here.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (ffYR/)
Apparently you don't notice sarcasm either? LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:12 PM (Y+V3r)
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Indeed I do notice. I should have used a /s myself.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (ffYR/)
Apparently you don't notice sarcasm either? LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:12 PM (Y+V3r)
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Indeed I do notice. I should have used a /s myself.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:14 PM (ffYR/)
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IOW, he's becoming an orchid.
Posted by: pep at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (T6t7i)
Gardening thread was yesterday.
Posted by: pep at March 24, 2019 02:10 PM (T6t7i)
Gardening thread was yesterday.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 02:14 PM (OE84+)
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Highly charged capacitors.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:21 PM (yQpMk)
Only if you dig into the set mere minutes after it was last run, hours at most. The CRT itself is like a giant capacitor, charged to 25000 volts or more. But it isn't a very big capacitor, capacity-wise, so the amount of energy stored in it is not likely to be lethal.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 24, 2019 01:21 PM (yQpMk)
Only if you dig into the set mere minutes after it was last run, hours at most. The CRT itself is like a giant capacitor, charged to 25000 volts or more. But it isn't a very big capacitor, capacity-wise, so the amount of energy stored in it is not likely to be lethal.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 02:14 PM (nPGq2)
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Nonsense. I'm eight feet under Section 32, Row C.
Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Hoffa at March 24, 2019 02:00 PM
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Well now your burried under a parking lot
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:03 PM
So Mr. Hoffa was buried in Paradise.
Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Hoffa at March 24, 2019 02:00 PM
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Well now your burried under a parking lot
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:03 PM
So Mr. Hoffa was buried in Paradise.
Posted by: Joni Mitchell at March 24, 2019 02:15 PM (DMUuz)
335
Jonah came to me in a dream. He stole my shelves.
Posted by: Ace's Elevated Consciouness at March 24, 2019 02:15 PM (EgshT)
336
Pour the paint into the storm drain. Empty cans are easier to handle. Used motor oil can be disposed of the same way.
Posted by: Insomniac
in all seriousness, putting stuff like that into storm drains can cause some real problems for your city or county systems on down the line. BUT if you simply find an alley or a field with some soft dirt, pour it into a slight hole in the dirt and then put a couple spadefuls on top of it, it will disapear and never cause anyone any harm.
Posted by: Insomniac
in all seriousness, putting stuff like that into storm drains can cause some real problems for your city or county systems on down the line. BUT if you simply find an alley or a field with some soft dirt, pour it into a slight hole in the dirt and then put a couple spadefuls on top of it, it will disapear and never cause anyone any harm.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 02:16 PM (V2Yro)
337
Nood FOID can FOAD.
Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 02:17 PM (OMsf+)
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329 One would think reading a thousand page legal document in a couple of days would be easier than writing a thousand page legal document in a couple of days, but I'm told the latter happens all the time and shut up, citizen."
well, consider that instead of monkeys, those things get written by having a thousand lobbyists bang on a thousand typewriters....
well, consider that instead of monkeys, those things get written by having a thousand lobbyists bang on a thousand typewriters....
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 24, 2019 02:18 PM (V2Yro)
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As George Carlin said in his epic environmentalism rant, "After humans go extinct, all that will be left is plastic. Maybe humans were just Earth's way of getting plastic."
Do you have that backwards?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (iEGjK)
Heh, no. That's the joke. The Earth, in its brilliance, was capable of doing for itself most of what it needed, but the one thing it could not do was make plastic. So it created humans. To make plastic.
And now that the Earth has all the plastic it needs, it has no more use for us.
Boom.
Do you have that backwards?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (iEGjK)
Heh, no. That's the joke. The Earth, in its brilliance, was capable of doing for itself most of what it needed, but the one thing it could not do was make plastic. So it created humans. To make plastic.
And now that the Earth has all the plastic it needs, it has no more use for us.
Boom.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2019 02:18 PM (cY3LT)
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314
As George Carlin said in his epic environmentalism rant, "After humans go extinct, all that will be left is plastic. Maybe humans were just Earth's way of getting plastic."
Do you have that backwards?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (iEGjK)
Fast forward to 5:03.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4
As George Carlin said in his epic environmentalism rant, "After humans go extinct, all that will be left is plastic. Maybe humans were just Earth's way of getting plastic."
Do you have that backwards?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:07 PM (iEGjK)
Fast forward to 5:03.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 02:19 PM (sdi6R)
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I misread your quote. Senile.
I misread your quote. Senile.
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at March 24, 2019 02:20 PM (iEGjK)
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Now, what to do with this mercury filled thing. Can't toss it into the trash, can't find some place that I can drop it off, no recycling in the area. So, I have to sign up for the once a month hazardous waste drop off. I wait in line for a half an hour while all these cars and trucks are dropping off paint, gas and other chemicals and then I drive up and hand the guy a ziploc bag with a thermostat in it.
Oh, and almost every car in line had either a "Trump" bumpersticker or a "Don't Tread on Me" license plate.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (fdTrp)
I would just save the mercury switch, or the entire thermostat. You never know if you might need one. I have close to a quarter-pound of mercury in a bottle, just because I can. Mercury is cool.
Oh, and almost every car in line had either a "Trump" bumpersticker or a "Don't Tread on Me" license plate.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 01:36 PM (fdTrp)
I would just save the mercury switch, or the entire thermostat. You never know if you might need one. I have close to a quarter-pound of mercury in a bottle, just because I can. Mercury is cool.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 02:23 PM (nPGq2)
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Ooh, how timely!
The handle on my Whole Paycheck brown bag snapped and my jar of salsa shattered. Gaaah! And I have tequila lime chips!
The handle on my Whole Paycheck brown bag snapped and my jar of salsa shattered. Gaaah! And I have tequila lime chips!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 24, 2019 02:23 PM (kQs4Y)
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Plastic is made from natural gas, and still has a high energy content. Simply burn it to run a power plant. With a suitable burner design, it will burn smoke-free.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:31 PM (nPGq2)
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Redstone Arsenal here had the infrastructure of an old steam heating system. Steam lines running from building to building, etc. The city built a modern incinerator to burn garbage and produce steam. The Army now buys steam from the city during the cold months.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 01:31 PM (nPGq2)
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Redstone Arsenal here had the infrastructure of an old steam heating system. Steam lines running from building to building, etc. The city built a modern incinerator to burn garbage and produce steam. The Army now buys steam from the city during the cold months.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at March 24, 2019 02:23 PM (hjaPQ)
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The last time I sold aluminum I'd saved cans for three months or so. Made $48 and got a nail in a $180 tire.
They go right in the trash now.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:44 PM
Ha. I believe you. Those dirt roads around 'recycling centers' are chock full of metal crap. I never lost a tire but I drove as slowly as possible.
My kids still remember that after I dropped a load of aluminum I'd buy each of them some sort of toy or gadget. My daughters husband is doing something similar with his side business.
The last time I sold aluminum I'd saved cans for three months or so. Made $48 and got a nail in a $180 tire.
They go right in the trash now.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 01:44 PM
Ha. I believe you. Those dirt roads around 'recycling centers' are chock full of metal crap. I never lost a tire but I drove as slowly as possible.
My kids still remember that after I dropped a load of aluminum I'd buy each of them some sort of toy or gadget. My daughters husband is doing something similar with his side business.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 24, 2019 02:24 PM (jYje5)
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I would just save the mercury switch, or the entire
thermostat. You never know if you might need one. I have close to a
quarter-pound of mercury in a bottle, just because I can. Mercury is
cool.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 02:23 PM (nPGq2)
I probably should have saved it, but with the way shit has gone the last 15 years, it probably would end up with me ingesting it somehow.
thermostat. You never know if you might need one. I have close to a
quarter-pound of mercury in a bottle, just because I can. Mercury is
cool.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 02:23 PM (nPGq2)
I probably should have saved it, but with the way shit has gone the last 15 years, it probably would end up with me ingesting it somehow.
Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper learning to code at March 24, 2019 02:32 PM (fdTrp)
Posted by: Deep State in DEEP SHIT at March 24, 2019 02:34 PM (BqBId)
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Especially those big electrolytic capacitors in power supplies.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 01:48 PM (YqDXo)
Most well-designed power supplies have bleeder resistors for just that purpose: a few megohms direct from high voltage to ground.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 01:48 PM (YqDXo)
Most well-designed power supplies have bleeder resistors for just that purpose: a few megohms direct from high voltage to ground.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 02:35 PM (nPGq2)
349
The old tube receivers had the tubes inside the housing. Putting them outside on the top sure sounds like virtue signaling to me.
Although it would make changing the tubes easy. Assuming you could find a replacement.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:51 PM (sdi6R)
Not so much virtue signaling as just plain esthetics. Some tubes are kind of pretty.
Although it would make changing the tubes easy. Assuming you could find a replacement.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 01:51 PM (sdi6R)
Not so much virtue signaling as just plain esthetics. Some tubes are kind of pretty.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 02:38 PM (nPGq2)
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==This isn't about the environment.==
Correct. It's about my state's new governor planning a statewide tax on plastic bags. because we desperately need revenue.
Correct. It's about my state's new governor planning a statewide tax on plastic bags. because we desperately need revenue.
Posted by: corn and beans at March 24, 2019 02:40 PM (tkNkP)
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I'm looking forward to Rocket Lab's launch of an experimental DARPA satellite this evening at 6:30 EDT. It's still on as far as I know. Here is a DARPA video about the mission:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxb45tE8Edc
The satellite will deploy a thin membrane antenna. If it works, it could boost the performance of small satellites. It could even be used on large satellites. I can even see it being adapted for future space telescopes.
Rocket Lab's Electron rocket is also interesting. It's a two-stage rocket with nine engines on the first stage and one on the second, just like SpaceX's Falcon 9. But Electron's entire first stage thrust is only 1/5 of a single Merlin 1D engine. It's like a dollhouse-sized Falcon 9!
Electron uses advanced technology like a carbon-fiber body, and most of the engine parts are 3D printed. Its Rutherford engine uses a battery-operated pump instead of the usual turbopump. While it is not reusable, Rocket Lab believes they can be mass-produced cheaply, thus lowering the cost of launches.
Electron is the perfect launch vehicle for this kind of technology demonstration mission.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxb45tE8Edc
The satellite will deploy a thin membrane antenna. If it works, it could boost the performance of small satellites. It could even be used on large satellites. I can even see it being adapted for future space telescopes.
Rocket Lab's Electron rocket is also interesting. It's a two-stage rocket with nine engines on the first stage and one on the second, just like SpaceX's Falcon 9. But Electron's entire first stage thrust is only 1/5 of a single Merlin 1D engine. It's like a dollhouse-sized Falcon 9!
Electron uses advanced technology like a carbon-fiber body, and most of the engine parts are 3D printed. Its Rutherford engine uses a battery-operated pump instead of the usual turbopump. While it is not reusable, Rocket Lab believes they can be mass-produced cheaply, thus lowering the cost of launches.
Electron is the perfect launch vehicle for this kind of technology demonstration mission.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 02:49 PM (sdi6R)
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183 It was noted by all the presstitutes that PDT did not tweet at all after the Mewler announcement, and all day yesterday. So, he tweeted twice today. "Good Morning. Have a great day!" and "MAGA!".
It's like watching a feral cat play with a mouse.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (ffYR/)
heh
It's like watching a feral cat play with a mouse.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 01:19 PM (ffYR/)
heh
Posted by: m at March 24, 2019 02:59 PM (Ts3fP)
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Sorry, but Democrats have devolved into despicable, power hungry, lowlife scumbags.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (T09ml)
The Democrats devolved into that over 100 years ago. See: Woodie Wilson.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL at March 24, 2019 12:44 PM (T09ml)
The Democrats devolved into that over 100 years ago. See: Woodie Wilson.
Posted by: Grannymimi at March 24, 2019 03:10 PM (u5LFV)
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When the plastic bag ban went into effect in Los Angeles, I just went and bought a 1000 plastic bags on Amazon.
Posted by: Matt Harris at March 24, 2019 03:19 PM (dJUXM)
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Paper bags will not hold wet cat litter. Trust me.
Posted by: Aud at March 24, 2019 03:33 PM (uBywd)
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Many years back the maintenance folks re-waxed a big room in the VAB. They dumped the stripped wax and ammonia down a mud sink drain. It killed the Sewage Treatment Plant for half the Space Center dead. I think the Feds got fined for non-compliant discharges into the Wildlife Sanctuary by the State.
Posted by: pawn at March 24, 2019 03:37 PM (dPTGY)
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I remember reading a doctoral thesis a couple of years ago that accidentally pointed out that, using only current technologies, all of the United States trash could be kept and safely managed in a landfill the size of a small to medium sized county. I remember Durham, NC being almost exactly the right size.
All of it. Everything.
Find a small and sparsely populated County and either buy them out or give the residents "royalties" when they leave. A dime per household per month for trash disposal would probably make a few thousand people extremely motivated to move.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 12:48 PM (xyung)
Yellowstone county in Montana is larger than Rhode Island. You could put the landfill in one of several counties here and it would be hard to find with a map.
All of it. Everything.
Find a small and sparsely populated County and either buy them out or give the residents "royalties" when they leave. A dime per household per month for trash disposal would probably make a few thousand people extremely motivated to move.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 24, 2019 12:48 PM (xyung)
Yellowstone county in Montana is larger than Rhode Island. You could put the landfill in one of several counties here and it would be hard to find with a map.
Posted by: free tibet at March 24, 2019 03:39 PM (xSo9G)
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Here in CA, single use plastic bags given by markets were banned a couple years ago. However, non-food stores still do give away bags. What's up? I suspect that the markets themselves are behind this: profit margins in food stores are infamously slim, and giveaway bags are a no-profit item. But no one store chain could do away with them without creating a competitive disadvantage. Thus, the government imposed "save the environment" bag ban allows all food stores to dump the no profit item without creating non-price competition problems.
Posted by: Jeff Powell at March 24, 2019 08:07 PM (hgC3T)
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Boy, as an ACTUAL science teacher, this burns my butt!
I LIKE reusing plastic bags for:
- dog poop - less wasteful than the one-use "Official Dog Poop" bags
- lining wastebaskets - makes a quicker cleanup on garbage day
- putting my lunch in when subbing
- disposing of disposable diapers/feminine products/medical wastes/other yucky stuff - they keep the janitorial staff in buildings from being exposed to potential biohazards
They are lighter weight. Unlike the "ecological" type of bag, don't need cleaning after use - just toss them.
The plastic straws? Absolutely needed by many disabled people - it's not always possible for people to carry them around, or rinse the metal ones. Paper ones generally don't work on many substances - collapse too easily.
I'm also a BIG fan of one-use diapers/plastic coatings. If you've ever had a kid with diarrhea, you know the incredible mess that makes - hard to get the stains out of cloth diapers, without bleach (which is ALSO bad for the environment). On trips, worth EVERY penny.
Mom's time is worth something, you know. Plastic makes the cleanup easier and faster.
I LIKE reusing plastic bags for:
- dog poop - less wasteful than the one-use "Official Dog Poop" bags
- lining wastebaskets - makes a quicker cleanup on garbage day
- putting my lunch in when subbing
- disposing of disposable diapers/feminine products/medical wastes/other yucky stuff - they keep the janitorial staff in buildings from being exposed to potential biohazards
They are lighter weight. Unlike the "ecological" type of bag, don't need cleaning after use - just toss them.
The plastic straws? Absolutely needed by many disabled people - it's not always possible for people to carry them around, or rinse the metal ones. Paper ones generally don't work on many substances - collapse too easily.
I'm also a BIG fan of one-use diapers/plastic coatings. If you've ever had a kid with diarrhea, you know the incredible mess that makes - hard to get the stains out of cloth diapers, without bleach (which is ALSO bad for the environment). On trips, worth EVERY penny.
Mom's time is worth something, you know. Plastic makes the cleanup easier and faster.
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Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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