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McConnell: Trump Will Sign Spending Bill, But Then Declare Emergency to Build the Wall
I don't think he should sign it, not yet at least. No one knows what is in this thing -- it could have a dozen poison pills forbidding Trump from declaring an emergency, or empowering liberal officials to block the wall, empowering the EPA to block the wall, limiting detention bed space, empowering local officials to create sanctuary jurisdictions without consequence, etc., etc., etc.
Artisinal 'ette brings up one such trap:As @JessicaV_CIS notes, there is a serious amnesty/sanctuary provision snuck into the spending bill. Section 224(a) would make it so ICE cannot detain or remove anyone who has effectively any kind of relationship (even just as a "potential sponsor") with any unaccompanied minor:And another one:
Here's a gem from the spending bill. Section 224 (a) says that ICE may not remove any sponsor or *potential sponsor* or *member of a household*And more:
of a UAC [Unaccompanies Alien Child]. That's de facto sanctuary for anyone near a UAC. Ridiculous. 30-40% of MS-13 arrests have been UACs.
The budget also provides $30 million to hire pro-migration groups that will guide migrants towards winning asylum:CBD says that Rush Limbaugh is saying the spending bill actually forbids Trump to move money around via the National Emergency process. Take the time to read this thing, for crying out loud. And don't count on Republican congressmen to have stripped the poison pills out -- they probably schemed with the Democrats to put them in. I can forgive Trump failing, given that he's up against so much opposition, but if he signs this thing knowing in advance it is another exercise in Failure Theater, then I'm all done here. If Trump's also going to be an actor in DC's long-running production of Failure Theater, then what is the use of him? What would you say you do here, Mr. President? It is one thing to fail, though you earnestly tried; it is another thing entirely to engage in the disgustingly dishonest game of Failure Theater, where you deliberately engineer your own failure. DO NOT SIGN THIS BILL. AND IF YOU DO SIGN IT: DO NOT COME CRYING TO US THAT YOU WERE "FOOLED," PRESIDENT WITH A VERY BIG BRAIN WHO WENT TO WHARTON. McConnell, however, is now saying he will support, rather than oppose, the declaration of a national emergency. Seems like some negotiation happened, at least on that front. But if McConnell is agreeing to "support" a national emergency in order to get Trump to sign a bill he knows has a poison pill that prevents it -- what kind of victory is that?
President Donald Trump is ready to sign compromise spending legislation that would avert another government shutdown and will declare a national emergency to get additional funds for a border wall, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said. McConnell said the Senate will vote on the plan at 3:30 Washington time Thursday. The House is set to vote later in the evening.The Freedom Caucus wants to just pass a one-week spending bill at current levels to give them time to read this monster bill and strip out all of its poison pills. If McConnell refuses this -- this means McConnell is refusing precisely because he doesn't want those poison pills stripped out.
The president "has indicated he’s prepared to sign the bill," McConnell said on the Senate floor. "He also will be issuing a national emergency declaration at the same time. I indicated to him I'm going to support the national emergency declaration."
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Jmel at February 14, 2019 03:46 PM (EUDpE)
I'm bald. I'll wait until something actually HAPPENS before lighting my few remaining hairs on fire.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 14, 2019 03:47 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 14, 2019 03:48 PM (xfb67)
Posted by: BacktoGA at February 14, 2019 03:48 PM (gJJd+)
Posted by: VBJonny at February 14, 2019 03:48 PM (Eni+X)
Couldn't Trump sign the bill and not spend the money? The executive is in charge of spending, no? Just let it sit there and delay endlessly.
Posted by: Ripley at February 14, 2019 03:49 PM (MxEKc)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 03:49 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 14, 2019 03:49 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: I like cookies at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (xxAFD)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (OKeCc)
Trust us!
That's the only way to find out what's inside!
Posted by: Democrats and other assorted assholes at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (OKeCc)
Unconstitutional.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (vbJig)
https://tinyurl.com/ycxafoes
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (AllCR)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: t-bird at February 14, 2019 03:51 PM (xSo9G)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 14, 2019 03:51 PM (r+sAi)
21 able by this Act for the construction of physical barriers
22 within the city limits of any city or census designated place
23 described in subsection ( c), the Department of Homeland
24 Security and the local elected officials of such a city or
25 census designated place shall confer and seek to reach mu
1 tual agreement regarding the design and alignment of
2 physical barriers within that city or the census designated
3 place (as the case may be). Such consultations shall con
4 tinue until September 30, 2019 ( or until agreement is
5 reached, if earlier) and may be extended beyond that date
6 by agreement of the parties, and no funds made available
7 in this Act shall be used for such construction while con8 sultations are continuing.
9 (b) Not later than July 1,
border cities will fight this
LOOPHOLE
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 03:51 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 03:51 PM (OKeCc)
And immigration.
And a shit ton of other common sense things.
I hate liberals so much. What will it take for the country to see they are a movement of tyranny, depravity and death?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 14, 2019 03:51 PM (yTfbH)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 14, 2019 03:51 PM (vbJig)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (pw+jk)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (2LelM)
Just get Trump to hire the Horde for political strategy and advice, Trump can fire the bozos on the payroll now, give half to AoS, and cut his staff budget by 50%!
More importantly, Trump gets much better advice!
Posted by: Benj. Franklin at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Liberty at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (aMifl)
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (sy5kK)
Well that's just flat unconstitutional, if true. Seriously.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (vbJig)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (ptqGC)
But betcha that didn't happen that way.
Because the poison, as always, was the important part.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (RU4sa)
1) The alternative is going to be some kind of disaster. Shutdown of aviation, civil war, whatever. I would like the President to ignore Congress, but for whatever reason that isn't his style.
2) Congress -hates- the American people, regardless of who is temporarily in power, and things like this only make us hate them back.
So I'm not "done." Not by a long shot.
Posted by: trev006 at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (Prldh)
Vote is 72-14 in the Senate so far to pass (many minutes ago)
But look at the numbers -- that's a veto proof number.
Our Senators aren't the brightest bulbs.
Posted by: Newest Nic at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: I like cookies at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (xxAFD)
Who's next? Humungus.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (J+mig)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (xfb67)
Wouldn't that make the minor "accompanied", or am I missing something.
And Yay Freedom Caucus! Or, as alexthechick so delicately puts it, Read the Fucking Bill You Fucking Motherfuckers!
Heck yeah, keep the lights on for a week and read the stupid bill. Why do we always end up with take it or leave it 1,500 page bills at the last minute?*
*(that was rhetorical)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (39g3+)
"I'll Allow it!"
--Hawaiian Judge #8
Posted by: Hikaru at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (UnA8+)
If he signs the bill, declares a national emergency, and builds a wall within six months... that would make all the provisions for illegal aliens moot, because they wouldn't be getting in (not in such numbers at least) in the first place?
Just scrounging.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar covfefe at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (Z216Q)
This is not the only money appropriated by Congress. There is plenty of other money floating around already appropriated that Trump could move.
My money is on Mick Mulvaney knowing a hell of a lot more about what is going on than Rush.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (UAZp8)
That right there tells me all I need to know.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (ptqGC)
Because God knows, it is.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (heaSb)
@realDonaldTrump
4h4 hours ago
Reviewing the funding bill with my team at the @WhiteHouse!
Who would that be?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 03:55 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (J+mig)
Better load up on precious metals. Like lead and steel.
Posted by: I like cookies at February 14, 2019 03:55 PM (xxAFD)
Posted by: Ha at February 14, 2019 03:55 PM (eN9Hb)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (ptqGC)
They've already got enough votes to override a veto.
Posted by: Hikaru at February 14, 2019 03:55 PM (UnA8+)
It's not the judiciary's place to comment on policy matters.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 14, 2019 03:55 PM (heaSb)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 03:55 PM (8iiMU)
Any cogent bill ought not require more than a dozen pages to get the job done for all but the most complex matters.
Every (r) staffer should be assigned ten pages, in order to dig out each and every poison pill. Then compile those by article and section, write a single sentence rider.
"Everything in the following articles and sections is hereby null, void and stricken from this legislation at passage."
THEN, sign the damn thing.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at February 14, 2019 03:55 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: US Supreme Court, 7-2 decision at February 14, 2019 03:55 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (/tuJf)
I hope to hell you're right. I have a bad feeling about this bill, though.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (ptqGC)
You might not know whats in it Ace. But President Trump does. How do I know that?
Cause he's been tweeting about how he and his staff have been READING it. Sarah Sanders also said, 'We don't sign bills without knowing what's in them'. A shot at Pelosi I presume.
And just a guess, but declaring an emergency probably overrides certain congressional antics.
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (A5STV)
Vote is 72-14 in the Senate so far to pass (many minutes ago)
But look at the numbers -- that's a veto proof number.
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That must be why he's gonna sign it.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (13CQC)
First time posting from phone. Whee.
Posted by: Turambar's phone at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (9+ai1)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (r+sAi)
Different John Roberts. This one is the WH reporter for FOX.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (AB9tT)
Posted by: Roy at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (8RFw7)
Who would that be?
______________________________________
Meatloaf, Gary Busey, the guy from Beverly Hills 90210, Gene Simmons, and four other people from Celebrity Apprentice.
(And they're all smarter than Congress. Except for Busey, but it's a sympathy thing.)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (vbJig)
Posted by: A Fart of a Deal at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (6eEQ+)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (gx7zD)
But look at the numbers -- that's a veto proof number.
Our Senators aren't the brightest bulbs.
Posted by: Newest Nic at February 14, 2019 03:53 PM (jYje5)
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That's why he's signing it. He vetos it and it still passes= he looks like a lame duck.
Posted by: Jackal at February 14, 2019 03:57 PM (o3+fQ)
I agree, these guys have got to stop doing interviews to begin with, let alone commenting on what the president ought or ought not to do. Know your place.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2019 03:57 PM (39g3+)
Just scrounging.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (13CQC)
this might be his gamble
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 03:57 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (/tuJf)
Ah. Thanks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 14, 2019 03:57 PM (heaSb)
Thom Tillis sez there's things to like and not to like. A "step in the right direction."
Sounds like Failure Theatre to me.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 03:57 PM (ptqGC)
But look at the numbers -- that's a veto proof number.
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That must be why he's gonna sign it.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM
No, he has to force the issue with a veto. There's a lot of (R)'s in that number. There has to be.
Posted by: Newest Nic at February 14, 2019 03:57 PM (jYje5)
Well that's just flat unconstitutional, if true. Seriously.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 14, 2019 03:52 PM (39g3+)
But it will still take 3 years to get to us, so who cares?
Posted by: US Supreme Court, 7-2 decision at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (sy5kK)
If the bill prohibits ICE from taking actions of some sort, he will have to augment ICE with agents from other law enforcement agencies, so those agents can take the actions ICE is prohibited from doing.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar covfefe at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (Z216Q)
Veto proof votes.
Wow.
Nice country we had.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (gx7zD)
No. That vote was to allow final passage.
The final vote is going on now.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (8iiMU)
Donny, I love ya, but it's time to stop playing a rigged game. Flip the tables.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (P83tS)
My money is on Mick Mulvaney knowing a hell of a lot more about what is going on than Rush.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 03:54 PM (/tuJf)
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The last tweet of PDTs that I saw on this was that they had identified $23.6 billion.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Hikaru at February 14, 2019 03:55 PM (UnA8+)
He should make them actually do the override. That would at least give him a week to make the case to the American people. And then when they override it more people will know who to blame for what happens after.
Posted by: I like cookies at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (xxAFD)
Posted by: East Bay Jay at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (Lg/Uq)
Should he veto the bill and have his veto overridden by Congress? (That will seriously undercut his authority going forward).
The bill sucks. Congress is going to pass it. He either signs it or vetoes it (shutting down the government).
My point is that either way looks like Failure. I think Trump wants to build the wall. Congress doesn't
Posted by: Revenant at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (NUNXH)
Posted by: Turtle Watch 2019 at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (bu47i)
Posted by: Turambar's phone at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (9+ai1)
Israel, Ukraine, and Jordan receive $5.3 billion for border security fencing in this field -- simply ridiculous and embarrassing.
Posted by: ShainS -- Registered Hat Offender at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (tEXYn)
Here's a gem from the spending bill. Section 224 (a) says that ICE may not remove any sponsor or *potential sponsor* or *member of a household* of a UAC [Unaccompanies Alien Child]. That's de facto sanctuary for anyone near a UAC.
So that includes pimps right? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: The Honarable Bob Menendez at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (TAmPV)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (PkIg+)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 14, 2019 03:47 PM (bcbK
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I just came back from getting my hair cut. I probably should have waited. I could have burned it off for less money.
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (U5tDi)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (ptqGC)
Expect Trump to add a couple of hundred miles of wall just to piss off Nanzi.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (2LelM)
just a guess, but declaring an emergency probably overrides certain congressional antics.
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at February 14, 2019 03:56 PM (A5STV)
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Overrides certain provisions of the bill, perhaps? That would be nice.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (xfb67)
Posted by: Eric Rabkin at February 14, 2019 04:00 PM (YjzW1)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 14, 2019 04:00 PM (OLCnA)
Posted by: Joe "Audie Murphy" American at February 14, 2019 04:00 PM (vbJig)
Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at February 14, 2019 04:00 PM (GEhPL)
Just get Trump to hire the Horde for political strategy and advice, Trump can fire the bozos on the payroll now, give half to AoS, and cut his staff budget by 50%!
More importantly, Trump gets much better advice!
and ampersands!
Posted by: Anachronda at February 14, 2019 04:00 PM (sGtp+)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM (U5tDi)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM (xfb67)
Posted by: Skip at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM (/rm4P)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (PkIg+)
At this point, that wouldn't be worse than a Congress that refuses to represent and imagines itself a ruling aristocracy.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM (J+mig)
Pelosi:
Today we will keep government open.When the President declares the emergency, it's not an emergency
Pelosi:
The President is doing an end run around Congress
it begins
all one big f'ing game to them
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: Skip at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (/rm4P)
If it simply gives an inadequate sum, then sure - sign it, and declare the emergency.
But it sounds like it's actually DESTRUCTIVE, and far as border security. So NO-GO.
So why do we suddenly BELIEVE what McConnell says about it? He's an eGOP snake - I don't believe him at all on this.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (hOOi9)
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (/tuJf)
No. That vote was to allow final passage.
The final vote is going on now.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 03:58 PM (8iiMU)
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Bad enough. But it might not be veto-proof, well then...
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (gx7zD)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (AB9tT)
These guys need to be disabused of this notion or, as a wise man just said, what is the point of them?
Posted by: Thatch at February 14, 2019 04:03 PM (v5Cc/)
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:03 PM (U5tDi)
Things that would fix these huge problems were not even discussed in the conference, I can now report. Didn't even come up.
Huck - actually president can deputize lots of federal and some local personnel in an emergency - not sure if WH is even considering this. But BP/ICE are overwhelmed, and this bill (if all provisions become law) will make it materially WORSE.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:03 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (AB9tT)
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Yep.
Which is why putting any faith in any man is foolhardy.
Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2019 04:03 PM (RU4sa)
Ace:
You have got to believe, that after all we've been through the past two years, that OrangeManBadAss is now savvy to this garbage.
Hell, If I understand and agree with what you said, surely he has got to as well.
It just makes zero sense that he does not know by now that the you can have your wall except for all these little tiny time pills that say you can't.
Dear Lord, I hope so.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:03 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (PkIg+)
At this point, that wouldn't be worse than a Congress that refuses to represent and imagines itself a ruling aristocracy.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM (J+mig)
Where was all this feistiness when the Magic Negro was in public housing?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 14, 2019 04:03 PM (heaSb)
Look, Trump is way better than any other GOP alternative, but this stuff usually comes down to where his attention span is
Posted by: Blago at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (UfkIY)
It was fantastic, thanks for asking.
Two days was enough. My liver isn't getting any younger.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (AB9tT)
We lost nothing by playing. The system is less credible now than it was 10 years ago.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (J+mig)
It won't work. Welcome to the New Shutdown.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (hOOi9)
Posted by: Eric Rabkin at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (YjzW1)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (gx7zD)
Cruz, Cotton, and Gillibrand voted no, that I could remember hearing.
And Rubio.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: mallfly the friendy fox at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (ZqRa6)
I wonder who the prey is?
Posted by: Normie, thinking maybe representative government isn't at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (xfb67)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (/tuJf)
And they have money, too.
Posted by: Target stores crocs buyer at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (sy5kK)
Who knew that MUMR posting again would be a sign of the apocalypse?
Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2019 04:01 PM
Back years ago, I used a 'nurse ratched' sock to poke at MUMR. Eventually he went away. The first sign of the apocalypse was 'nurse ratched' appearing before MUMR.
Posted by: Newest Nic at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (jYje5)
It seems Rush does indeed hold significant sway here. Listening to him
soften up and essentially tell Trump to go ahead and sign has been
unbearable this week. Anyone else get that sense?
Posted by: Eric Rabkin at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (YjzW1)
Yes.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (2LelM)
Demand voter ID as part of the deal. Surely Nanzi doesn't want to come out explicitly as favoring letting wetbacks vote, does she?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (heaSb)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (PkIg+)
At this point, that wouldn't be worse than a Congress that refuses to represent and imagines itself a ruling aristocracy.
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Dissolved them in what?
Posted by: Iron Wombat at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (/qASX)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (JoUsr)
Huck - actually president can deputize lots of federal and some local personnel in an emergency - not sure if WH is even considering this. But BP/ICE are overwhelmed, and this bill (if all provisions become law) will make it materially WORSE.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:03 PM (QDnY+)
I off-handedly said this in the last thread but now I am convinced.
WAR.
Deputize as many national guard or others that you can and go on a blitz-fucking-krieg to enforce all our laws to the hilt.
National emergency means apprehension of illegals whenever and wherever you can and repatriation out of the USA with all speed. No trials, no nothing. You are a foreigner here illegally, then out you go.
Enough.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (zBaqJ)
The NE will be struck down within 5 seconds of the ink drying. You all realize this right?
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (gx7zD)
Nope
Posted by: The Honarable Bob Menendez at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (TAmPV)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2019 04:02 PM (AB9tT)
You mean like how the election was rigged against Trump?
Well, it WAS rigged against Trump, and FOR Jeb. How'd that work out?
Posted by: Optimizer at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (hOOi9)
Posted by: literally serious at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (3Q2mj)
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs, still needs a new Nic! at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (cxCsn)
____________________
If you think we've seen "surges" of kids at the border, you ain't seen nothing yet.
This bullshit bill will incentivize every f*cking criminal and welfare grifter in Mexico, Central America, and basically the entire world to grab a kid and come on in.
Absolutely contemptible that the a-holes in congress, who know full well that thousands of kids have already been kidnapped, raped, sex-trafficked, and killed because of that stupid Flores decree, are now creating even bigger incentives for illegal aliens to grab and abuse kids in order to get a free pass to stay in the U.S.
These people need to be hanging from lamp posts. Yesterday.
TRUMP DO NOT SIGN THIS SHITTY BILL.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (2LelM)
It seems Rush does indeed hold significant sway here. Listening to him
soften up and essentially tell Trump to go ahead and sign has been
unbearable this week. Anyone else get that sense?
Posted by: Eric Rabkin at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (YjzW1)
Yes.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (8iiMU)
I was in favor of it UNTIL I started hearing about all the poison pill garbage in the bill. Now, it's a definite no.
And RIF the shit out of DC.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Blago at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (UfkIY)
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I'm just going to wait and see on this. PDT did not get to be a billionaire by lacking focus.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (ffYR/)
We fucking own your stupid anglo maricon asses.
What you think we only pay off Mexican politicians?
Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood Mexican Drug Cartels at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (DuAZ5)
Posted by: t-bird at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (xSo9G)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (gx7zD)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (hjaPQ)
Posted by: ace at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (PbpT7)
"President Trump will sign the government funding bill, and as he has stated before, he will also take other executive action - including a national emergency - to ensure we stop the national security and humanitarian crisis at the border," White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders says in a statement.
"The President is once again delivering on his promise to build the wall, protect the border, and secure our great country."
Meanwhile, as expected, the Democrats were up to arms, with House majority leader Nancy Pelosi immediately warning that she will review "legal options" if Trump declares an emergency, and Trump's decision should be met with unease.
PELOSI SAYS TRUMP WOULD SET A PRECEDENT WITH EMERGENCY DECLARATION THAT SHOULD BE MET WITH GREAT UNEASE AND DISMAY BY REPUBLICANS
After some modest jitters earlier, the market now appears to be ignoring this particular narrative.
zerohedge
everyone knows CNN is fake new, even this site, not known to like Trump
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (OLCnA)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 14, 2019 04:07 PM (xfb67)
de-fence. he can rip it down without permission. putting it up...
Posted by: Anachronda at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (sGtp+)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (2LelM)
This bill must NOT be signed by @realDonaldTrump.
she tweeted this at 11am...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: Weasel at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2019 03:59 PM (PkIg+)
+++
I like the way you think, Anna
Posted by: Flyover at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (B5K06)
Posted by: t-bird at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (xSo9G)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (/tuJf)
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Celery juice is supposed to fix you right up.
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (U5tDi)
Posted by: mallfly the friendy fox at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (ZqRa6)
The next great Republic needs a law that all of its national laws must fit on 10 standard pages of paper, in 12 point Times New Roman, double spaced.
All 10 pages are to be engraved into the walls of every public building. No new law may be added without removing another.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (J+mig)
Posted by: Ha at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (eN9Hb)
out explicitly as favoring letting wetbacks vote, does she?
They say as much here in CA, and the "papers" cheer them on. I suppose since they're already voting here it doesn't matter what actual citizens think.
Posted by: clutch cargo at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (sLicW)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (2LelM)
I'm your spy boy right here.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (zBaqJ)
So that leaves the question as to whether all these negative things being said about that bill are really true. I guess we'll see...
Posted by: Optimizer at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (hOOi9)
___________________________
You and I understand these things, but every leftist thinks they are intimately involved.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (xfb67)
Puddin' Head - as I boring explained last thread, all depends on what sort of "notwithstanding any other provision of law" waiver authority Trump would have under NE.
National address - well yeah, incredibly over-due. But it's been part of Trump's willingness to continue to hide/depoliticize his signature (and top national) issue since the outset. He signed the toxic CR last time (whined about it). He agreed with the idea (WTF??) of putting off all big fights (this was the big one, everyone knew it) until AFTER the mid-terms.
Mitch, in a rather incredibly move not long ago that was little noticed, said the Senate would only rubber-stamp (in effect) something WH/House Dems had already approved. In other words, he would shield his caucus from *any* votes on the big issues. Not aware of any comparable move by a majority leader, in my lifetime. Sounds inside-baseball, is actually a stunning open declaration that "we're hiding on this, and we don't even care if you know".
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (QDnY+)
Ok, so far the final vote is 78-16.
Cruz, Cotton, and Gillibrand voted no, that I could remember hearing.
And Rubio.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:05 PM (8iiMU)
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The FINAL vote? Then it's veto-proof.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Decaf at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (FBm+D)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (ptqGC)
Two days was enough. My liver isn't getting any younger.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 04:04 PM (/tuJf)
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Celery juice is supposed to fix you right up.
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM
With a vodka chaser?
Posted by: Newest Nic at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: Tuna at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (jm1YL)
Lower courts are largely irrelevant.
Posted by: Ha at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (eN9Hb)
Fuck the judiciary. Declare their proscriptions an encroachment on legal Executive Branch authority and tell Julia Roberts to get fucked.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (zBaqJ)
whenever and wherever you can and repatriation out of the USA with all
speed. No trials, no nothing. You are a foreigner here illegally, then
out you go.
Enough.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton"
Yeah, never understood the whole lengthy immigration/deportation proceedings. Once you are picked up you have a set time to show you are in the country legally or you are escorted to the border or put on plane. If it is a matter of dependents, they can be sent with you and a bill sent later. That should be the extent of these deportation proceedings.
Posted by: Ripley at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (MxEKc)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (U7k5w)
I'd sign it in a big red magic marker using two words. One beginning with an 'F' and the other ending in a 'U'.
Posted by: Weasel at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (MVjcR)
Felix Unger?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (ptqGC)
Wow. If HE is voting no on this, then, just wow.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (13CQC)
Maybe the House? (Though that'll probably have veto proof majorities too.)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (yTfbH)
The Democrats have already come down on the side of murdering babies so what's the big deal if the victims are a little older?
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (UAZp8)
So that leaves the question as to whether all these negative things being said about that bill are really true. I guess we'll see...
Posted by: Optimizer at February 14, 2019 04:09 PM (hOOi9
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Have you read the actual cut-and-pastes from the actual bill? It's an abomination.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Ha at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (eN9Hb)
majority leader Nancy Pelosi immediately warning that she will review
"legal options" if Trump declares an emergency, and Trump's decision
should be met with unease.
PELOSI SAYS TRUMP WOULD SET A PRECEDENT WITH EMERGENCY DECLARATION
THAT SHOULD BE MET WITH GREAT UNEASE AND DISMAY BY REPUBLICANS
1) Pelosi will try to use the courts to stop Trump. Quelle surprise. Seriously, did anyone think that WOULDN'T happen?
2) I read today that Obama declared national emergencies 13 times. I can't vouch for that number, but if anyone thinks the Dems won't use NEs anytime is suits their purpose, they're on bath salts. That ship sailed long ago. Ergo, the argument that the Dems will do it seems pretty risible.
Posted by: pep at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Tuna at February 14, 2019 04:10 PM (jm1YL)
What is it?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (TD9KB)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker
* * * * *
When have they not? Perhaps in those heady wonderful Newt years. Lord what I'd give to have Gingrich in his prime right now.
Too little emphasis has been on blasting every GOP Rep who sat on their hands those first 2 years and now playing tough. IMO.
Posted by: Eric Rabkin at February 14, 2019 04:12 PM (YjzW1)
Have you read the actual cut-and-pastes from the actual bill? It's an abomination.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
Most bills are.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 14, 2019 04:12 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 14, 2019 04:12 PM (AB9tT)
Ya that ain't happening.
Posted by: Ha at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (eN9Hb)
It damn well should. A long time ago. Time to burn Marbury to the ground.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:12 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:13 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 14, 2019 04:13 PM (6eEQ+)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:13 PM (U7k5w)
* gathers tar, rail, feathers and other components *
Posted by: Newest Nic at February 14, 2019 04:13 PM (jYje5)
Slipped into a funding bill that provides about $1.3 billion for 55 miles of border wall construction is a provision that prevents the Trump administration from constructing the barrier until DHS officials seek input from Starr County, Texas locals and city officials.
The spending bill mandates that Trump must "seek to reach a mutual agreement regarding the design and alignment of physical barriers" with Starr County "local elected officials," including those from:
Roma, Texas
Rio Grande City, Texas
Escobares, Texas
La Grulla, Texas
Salineno, Texas
The deal demands Trump's DHS to continue "such consultations" with local elected officials about the border wall until September, or until an agreement is reached. In the meantime, the spending bill stipulates that the administration cannot build any barriers "while consultations are continuing" with local elected officials.
It is not just local elected officials who have to approve of border wall construction, though. The spending bill mandates DHS open a public comment period by July, giving the public at least 60 days to voice opinions about the construction of a barrier in their county.
The rule has the potential to tie up the Trump administration in court with local elected officials who may object to a border wall in their county.
Other contingencies in the spending bill include a provision dictating what type of a border wall can be used. None of the prototype border wall designs built for testing in the San Diego desert are permitted for use by DHS. Instead, the wall must continue to be steel bollard-style fencing that both the Bush and Obama administrations used at the southern border.
this is awful
But what do we expect from our government.
No wall will be built. None of the prototypes we saw will be built.
breitbart
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:13 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: literally serious at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM
Watch and learn, son. Watch and learn.
Posted by: Random Hawaiian Judge #4 at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (Kpl3J)
Is that code?
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (PkIg+)
Posted by: I like cookies at February 14, 2019 03:50 PM (xxAFD)
Pinochet?
Posted by: SturmToddler at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (8D42x)
I off-handedly said this in the last thread but now I am convinced.
WAR.
Deputize as many national guard or others that you can and go on a blitz-fucking-krieg to enforce all our laws to the hilt.
National emergency means apprehension of illegals whenever and wherever you can and repatriation out of the USA with all speed. No trials, no nothing. You are a foreigner here illegally, then out you go.
Enough.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (zBaqJ)
We know what you are trying to say, but not able to just come out and say it.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (sy5kK)
Not really. If Trump comes out against the bill and vetoes it, many Republicans will reverse their votes. They're afraid of Trump's base. You know, the actual base of the GOP, rather than the financial and corporate interests they prefer serving.
Posted by: ace at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: antisocialist at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (2shuf)
https://tinyurl.com/y57yx8ln
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (AllCR)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Just a Guy at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (dDlo8)
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.
Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
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Posted by: Ayn Rand at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (sy5kK)
Is that code?
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (PkIg+)
B-E-S-U-R-E-T-O-S-U-P-P-O-R-T
P-L-A-N-N-E-D-P-A-R-E-N-T-H-O-O-D
Posted by: Insomniac at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (IfYaq)
Posted by: antisocialist at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (2shuf)
You're going to have to be more specific since they seem to be out in force.
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (TD9KB)
Which is not unreasonable. What would a GOPer's excuse be for permitting a bunch of stealth open borders shit in the bill?
They can only get away with stealth open borders shit as long as it is, in fact, STEALTH.
Posted by: ace at February 14, 2019 04:16 PM (PbpT7)
Ya that ain't happening.
Posted by: Ha at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (eN9Hb)
It damn well should. A long time ago. Time to burn Marbury to the ground.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:12 PM (zBaqJ)
Oh shi... wait, you said "Marbury" not "Mayberry"
Posted by: Andy Griffith at February 14, 2019 04:16 PM (7HtZB)
So Trump signs a bill and then declares a national emergency that moots the bill's intent. Congress learns not to send him bills like that again.
Still scrounging.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:16 PM (13CQC)
No wall will be built. None of the prototypes we saw will be built
***
Cartels pay good money.
And Mexico isn't the only country that has cartel in leadership positions.
Posted by: Total Control Racist at February 14, 2019 04:16 PM (JHXFb)
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Utter collapse. Like a really hellish, awful collapse. And maybe not even then.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 14, 2019 04:16 PM (vg8iE)
https://tinyurl.com/y57yx8ln
...
haha, thanks. I did see that headline but didn't bother to read it.
I'll post that.
Posted by: ace at February 14, 2019 04:17 PM (PbpT7)
I off-handedly said this in the last thread but now I am convinced.
WAR.
Deputize as many national guard or others that you can and go on a blitz-fucking-krieg to enforce all our laws to the hilt.
National emergency means apprehension of illegals whenever and wherever you can and repatriation out of the USA with all speed. No trials, no nothing. You are a foreigner here illegally, then out you go.
Enough.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (zBaqJ)
We know what you are trying to say, but not able to just come out and say it.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (sy5kK)
This is a little vague on JJ's part but I support him and his crazy ideas.
Hell, give me a stack of signed, undated Presidential pardons and we'll get some friends together and fix a lot of problems.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 14, 2019 04:17 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Just a Guy at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (dDlo
Thank you for Your Support!
Posted by: Kamela Harris at February 14, 2019 04:17 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:17 PM (ptqGC)
The brazen, extreme nature of this is stunning.
Stepping back, it updates us on just how far gone things are.
The open borders/lawlessness crowd is so confident, even with Trump in the WH, that they are probably the most outrageous thing they've ever tried. Anyone thing "Abolish ICE!" was/is a crazy political stance? This is different, but in some ways worse.
And a "GOP controlled Senate" passed it.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:17 PM (QDnY+)
Section 224(w) Illegals required to annually drive drunk and kill an innocent family.
Posted by: rhennigantx at February 14, 2019 04:17 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (RD7QR
Comment 404. Didn't recognize the hash. I dunno, maybe a sock but...
Posted by: antisocialist at February 14, 2019 04:18 PM (2shuf)
https://tinyurl.com/y57yx8ln
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (ptqGC)
I'm guessing screaming at the sky doesn't leave much energy for screaming at the bedroom ceiling.
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 14, 2019 04:18 PM (UAZp8)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:18 PM (8iiMU)
Trump getting a taste of irrumatio?
Posted by: Newest Nic at February 14, 2019 04:18 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:18 PM (ptqGC)
No matter what, our laws say you are still getting raped and sold into prostitution!
We do NOT CARE about any of you! Except the two kids who were separated for a few days last year, when we broadcast the shit out of that one.
Posted by: Democrats at February 14, 2019 04:19 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Turambar's phone at February 14, 2019 04:19 PM (9+ai1)
Posted by: Central America and Points Beyond at February 14, 2019 04:19 PM (vg8iE)
The Left keeps telling me that the Constitution is a Living Document.
Let us then breath some new life in it by noting that the Constitution declares the DNC is The Enemy - as in "enemy within".
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at February 14, 2019 04:19 PM (lD3vL)
With a veto proof margin.
Whether Trump signs it or not it's going to pass.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 14, 2019 04:19 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:19 PM (QDnY+)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 14, 2019 04:20 PM (AllCR)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:18 PM (8iiMU)
The Clemson Alabama score last January?
Posted by: literally serious at February 14, 2019 04:20 PM (3Q2mj)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 04:20 PM (90T4r)
PDT needs to sign it, or the gubmint shits down again.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:20 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 14, 2019 04:20 PM (JoUsr)
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at February 14, 2019 04:21 PM (IfYaq)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:21 PM (U7k5w)
*types**ponders**decides to delete*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:21 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Eeyore at February 14, 2019 04:21 PM (VaN/j)
Posted by: Turambar's phone at February 14, 2019 04:21 PM (9+ai1)
Not really. If Trump comes out against the bill and vetoes it, many Republicans will reverse their votes. They're afraid of Trump's base. You know, the actual base of the GOP, rather than the financial and corporate interests they prefer serving.
Posted by: ace at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (PbpT7)
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Then my headache is worsening, because it means he really does have a choice as to whether to sign it.
I keep trying to think of things... he wants to show Congress exactly what he'll do with shit legislation? Make an executive move that will moot it?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:21 PM (13CQC)
Part A WILL happen. Part B WON'T happen, at least in any meaningful sense. This reads, yet again, like Failure Theater.
If Trump goes through with this and it pans out like every other immigration/amnesty deal, I think he'll lose the next election, soundly, assuming he wants to continue.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 14, 2019 04:21 PM (6eEQ+)
Posted by: Just a Guy at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (dDlo
-----
Here. Shoot yourself in the dick with my Glock.
Itll hurt less and heal faster.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:21 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Iron Wombat at February 14, 2019 04:22 PM (/qASX)
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2019 04:22 PM (Kpl3J)
Her colleagues gonna tell her to watch her ass again?
Posted by: Sodom Chamber of Commerce at February 14, 2019 04:22 PM (talIc)
Burn it all down. I'm so sick of failure theater. GOPe is and has been absolutely worthless.
*types**ponders**decides to delete*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:21 PM
You seem a little upset. Why don't you pour yourself a nice stiff drink and go outset and rest on your deck?
Posted by: Newest Nic at February 14, 2019 04:22 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:22 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:22 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:22 PM (OKeCc)
Veto the bill, saying you'll sign a clean 7-day CR, and in the interim, FFS, finally reintroduce politics to politics, by focusing on the worst provisions and campaigning against them.
If Congress moves to over-ride veto, that won't happen instantly, and in the mean time he campaigns.
And while I no longer recognize the country in many ways, nor trust any of my understanding or instincts on political matters any more, I still find it hard to believe that the GOP, with Trump hammering home on the outrageous crap they've sent him, will sustain an over-ride.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:22 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: literally serious at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (3Q2mj)
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (+dsLj)
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TBH, after seeing her in those CFM boots, I'm keeping an eye on her ass already.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (IfYaq)
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Wait. WUT??
She's a tru believer. Did she understand how the voting switch works??
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 14, 2019 03:51 PM (yTfbH)
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The problem is now that half the country sees and agrees with it, only they mistakenly assume that it's just going to be us evil conservatives who are going to be the only victims.
Posted by: ShainS -- Registered Hat Offender at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (tEXYn)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (yTfbH)
It is SO GLARINGLY OBVIOUS that this piece of shit needs to be vetoed.
Good grief.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (8iiMU)
The spending bill reiterates and expands the areas of the border where Congress wants to prohibit Trump from erecting barriers to stop illegal immigration. These regions include the Bentsen-Rio State Park, the National Butterfly Center, the Santa Ana Wildlife Refuge, La Lomita Historical Park, and the Lower Rio Grande Wildlife Refuge between Brownsville and the Gulf of Mexico.
if this is true...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (OKeCc)
LOL. He could shoot himself in the backside, because these trolls are a pain in the a$$.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 14, 2019 04:24 PM (AllCR)
Reducing the number of detention beds is beyond absurd and needs to be treated as such.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at February 14, 2019 04:24 PM (JNTt1)
I'm sure next the plan is that you give up your Glock along with more of your income.
You're okay with that, right? I mean, if it's a Republican doing it.
What'll you do? Not support the GOP, just because they cave over and over and over until they don't have to listen to you anymore because the "new citizens" overwhelm your vote anyway?
Look on the bright side: you can still get rid of your dick even after they take your guns. Free wig, breast implants and dress too, all taxpayer funded.
Posted by: SecBlasphemy at February 14, 2019 04:24 PM (DUynq)
It's over as far as the "Border War" goes. Sorry, guys, unless there is some 4D chess being played....Trump got played and by extension we got played.
No wall either. This looks to be complete and total surrender.
Posted by: Gigantor at February 14, 2019 04:24 PM (vV7K1)
This is a little vague on JJ's part but I support him and his crazy ideas.
Hell, give me a stack of signed, undated Presidential pardons and we'll get some friends together and fix a lot of problems.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 14, 2019 04:17 PM (bcbK
you'll need 235 of those pardons. to be more precise, the group will need 235 pardons.'
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 04:24 PM (sy5kK)
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Trump should veto it then, this way Congress owns it, not Trump.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at February 14, 2019 04:25 PM (+dsLj)
Please do the same.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (yTfbH)
Just sent a long e-mail. Please OrangeManBadass. Do the right thing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:25 PM (zBaqJ)
The GOPe colluded with the f@#$ing leftist tyrants on this. They are even worse unAmerican traitors than the evil, baby-killing dems.
Posted by: Pete at February 14, 2019 04:25 PM (7mSw0)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 14, 2019 03:51 PM (yTfbH)
even exposing Hollywood for the filth that they are didn't work
the media is exposed and rated low
Congress rated low
there's not much else left to get through to these idiots, with the exception of destroying the public school system and starting all over again
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:25 PM (OKeCc)
Blonde Morticia - not sure if that was a response, but unless you have better understanding of notwithstanding waiver authorities under an NE than I currently do, it's completely uncertain whether NE will allow Trump to "moot" intent, or results, of bill.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:19 PM (QDnY+)
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I'm going with some of the speculation around here about a national emergency superseding provisions of existing legislation.
Also, he can get a wall built damn quick under emergency terms. If he stanched the caravans, much of the bill would become moot in a sense, since far fewer numbers of illegals would be entering to begin with. Again, I'm just scrounging for hope.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:25 PM (13CQC)
"If Pres Trump decides to go with a NE, it is a terrible mistake, a gross abuse of the power of the Presidency"
Fuck. Him.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:25 PM (8iiMU)
Recall when he had Manchin look at gun control proposals? A lot of folks were thinking they were betrayed by Trump.
I'm not burning my MAGA hat quite yet.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at February 14, 2019 04:25 PM (IfYaq)
Posted by: jayhawkone at February 14, 2019 04:26 PM (ZD+J8)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:26 PM (U7k5w)
Not sure I'm going back there.
I lurk mostly here all day and night. I love this place. Great people.
Posted by: Turambar's phone at February 14, 2019 04:26 PM (9+ai1)
Jeeze, people.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:22 PM (ptqGC)
Ugh, I hate that shit.
Posted by: dagny at February 14, 2019 04:26 PM (nRWPy)
Jeeze, people.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
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I know, right?
[eyeroll]
Posted by: Flyover at February 14, 2019 04:26 PM (B5K06)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:26 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Thatch at February 14, 2019 04:26 PM (v5Cc/)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:26 PM (ptqGC)
I'ma wait to see how this all comes out before I decide he isn't winning one more for us.
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at February 14, 2019 04:27 PM (WaWnz)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 04:27 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 14, 2019 04:27 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: nip at February 14, 2019 04:27 PM (DfGpI)
Holy hell the trolls are EVERYWHERE.
At this rate Im gonna run out of ammo and peices of penis are splattered all over the blog.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:27 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Tulsi Gabbard in yoga shorts at February 14, 2019 04:27 PM (3Q2mj)
Posted by: Yo! at February 14, 2019 04:27 PM (1XAal)
Posted by: jayhawkone at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (ZD+J8)
If Trump gives us failure theatre over this, what do I care if he wins in 2020? What does any of this matter?
Trump really was the last chance at securing the border, to have any chance at preventing mass, intentional demographic change and more.
If he caves here, then elections don't matter anymore. They will be demonstrated to be literally irrelevant for the most part, except to slow down a disintegration that we have no chance of stopping legislatively.
Posted by: SecBlasphemy at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (DUynq)
Posted by: Just a Guy at February 14, 2019 04:15 PM (dDlo
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Not mine.
But then, I gave up expecting change from Washington a long time ago.
I just vote on the WMLC formula.
What makes lefty cry?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (Rxduq)
It's like they want Trump to lose in 2020.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (+dsLj)
are they?
Do they?
Or are they telling us what's in the bill?
I have never seen so many Trump supporters on one site like on Breitbart. Over the top Trump supporters.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Sodom Chamber of Commerce at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (talIc)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:29 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Yo! at February 14, 2019 04:29 PM (1XAal)
Thank goodness. Finally those 11 million people can come out of the shadows and show us they're 40-50 million voters.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Everything I Needed to Know About Coding I Learned From RBG at February 14, 2019 04:29 PM (xyung)
Posted by: dagny at February 14, 2019 04:29 PM (nRWPy)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (ptqGC)
Soros cutting checks for the 15th
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at February 14, 2019 04:29 PM (BJlbN)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:29 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Democrats, GoPe, and Corridor Press, ROFL in tears, laughing at voters, while getting 6 and 7 figure at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: eleven at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (NLLmE)
They wrote this in 3 weeks?
That is like 500 pages per week
i'm guessing that ibm watson was involved.
Posted by: Anachronda at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (sGtp+)
________________
If Trump signs this shitty bill, then declaring an emergency afterwards won't do a f*cking thing. The wall, even if it could be built (which this bill makes very unlikely) won't stop the flood of illegal alien minors that will be swarming across our border, along with their now-guaranteed-the-right-to-stay-in-the U.S. adult parents/kidnappers/traffickers, whatever.
As usual, Americans have been completely betrayed by their so-called "representatives" in congress.
F*ck them all.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (fqUgw)
You'd think protecting our border would be simple. Protect American citizens first. Stop incentives for rape and murder and sex trafficking of little boys, girls, and women.
But, then, Democrats.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (OKeCc)
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Somehow the anti-wall bill was in existence for years before there was a discussion about a wall.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Everything I Needed to Know About Coding I Learned From RBG at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (xyung)
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You're not the real MUMR. The REAL Mumr's posts go away when I hit refresh.
You, sir, are an imposter.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (ptqGC)
Gee, wonder why?
Posted by: dagny at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (nRWPy)
I'm going to watch and see how this shakes out. Trump has done well so far IMHO. Surpassed my hopes really
Damn it's a pain typing on my phone.
Waiting on better half to do dinner. Trying to remain calm after reading this thread.
Posted by: Turambar's phone at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (9+ai1)
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Trump should veto it then, this way Congress owns it, not Trump.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at February 14, 2019 04:25 PM (+dsLj)
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The Senate passed it with a veto proof majority. Safe bet is that the House will do the same. He can't veto it. It becomes law when the House passes it that way.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (ffYR/)
"If Pres Trump decides to go with a NE, it is a terrible mistake, a gross abuse of the power of the Presidency"
Fuck. Him.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:25 PM (8iiMU)
Perry Mason is on FeTV right now. Very soothing.
Posted by: antisocialist at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (2shuf)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: SecBlasphemy at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (DUynq)
I don't see Trump necessarily caving, but I do see the GOP once again opposing him on the most crucial issue of all. Our national identity and sovereignty.
That's not on him. It's on them. He can't do it all without literally declaring martial law and just dissolving the government. Preferably in quicklime.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: dagny at February 14, 2019 04:29 PM (nRWPy)
Remote was across the room. Sigh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Eric Rabkin at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (YjzW1)
Posted by: Skip at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (/rm4P)
I'ma wait to see how this all comes out before I decide he isn't winning one more for us.
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at February 14, 2019 04:27 PM (WaWnz)
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I'm with you.
We're relying on "news" reports on what POTUS is going to do. Hasn't he already said don't believe anything unless you hear it from him?
Posted by: Flyover at February 14, 2019 04:31 PM (B5K06)
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at February 14, 2019 04:29 PM (BJlbN)
yep, lol. I've seen a lot of "caring and compassionate" donations as of late
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:31 PM (OKeCc)
.......
Seconded.
(or thirded or fourthed...one hundred and seconded? whatever, I haven't read all the comments)
Posted by: wth at February 14, 2019 04:31 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:31 PM (U7k5w)
They wrote this in 3 weeks?
That is like 500 pages per week
Posted by: Yo! at February 14, 2019 04:29 PM (1XAal)
Can't be.
You forgot the drinking time and the whoring time.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 04:31 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: Yo! at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (1XAal)
And here we sit with Obamacare and without a wall. Or any type of national reciprocity. Or legislation addressing faking hate crimes. Or over-the-counter suppressors. Or...
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Everything I Needed to Know About Coding I Learned From RBG at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (xyung)
Okay, I just emailed him.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (13CQC)
A Valentine for the Ettes.
Roses ARE red.
They're for YOU, my love.
Ill pull up in my van.
You'll go in with a shove.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (8XRCm)
But then, I gave up expecting change from Washington a long time ago.
I just vote on the WMLC formula.
What makes lefty cry?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (Rxduq)
I vote for the least communist. I crawl over broken glass to defeat the commmunist socialist horde of asswipes.
Posted by: dagny at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (nRWPy)
ot
My Valentines Gift to my hubby is a T-Bone steak. It's heart-shaped enough...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (OKeCc)
You're married to Spartacus?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: wth at February 14, 2019 04:33 PM (v0R5T)
I answered this sometime after your original clown boner posts.
1. for the LULZ
2. Have a POTUS with divorce and bankruptcy court experience when we inevitably get where we've been going for decades.
Posted by: DaveA at February 14, 2019 04:33 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (ffYR/)
That's not true. He vetos it with explanation, then each house has to override the veto with a 2/3 majority.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 14, 2019 04:33 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:28 PM (ptqGC)
Funny how that always works.
(People need to go home, have a few drinks, and chill out. The Donald is punting after his three downs didn't get 10 yards. There will be another set of downs.)
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at February 14, 2019 04:33 PM (RD7QR)
So I guess we find out if PDT vetoes it a bit after noon Eastern time tomorrow.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 04:33 PM (sy5kK)
A Valentine for the Ettes.
Roses ARE red.
They're for YOU, my love.
Ill pull up in my van.
You'll go in with a shove.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (8XRCm)
Roses are red,
And with this gift basket,
I throw you down a well,
now put the friggin lotion in the basket...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:33 PM (zBaqJ)
Trump doesn't veto this - AND doesn't have a magic fix for the worst parts up his sleeve as part of an NE declaration (which I doubt) - and all the key enemy players (which includes most of the incumbent GOP) cannot fail to get a signal of weakness.
In context, and even absolutely, this is the worst "immigration" bill to reach a president's desk since 1986. A president who wouldn't be there without his strong and unique opposition to the disastrous policies in that particular area.
If you're an intending fake asylum petitioner in Honduras, or a cartel drug trafficking illegal in the US looking for a hook to make you non-deportable, or an NGO looking for that next ridiculous bit of lawfare to impede enforcement of immigration law in the US, or a Mexican border city official wavering between finally helping restore order to the border and your district by working with the US or continuing to do the safer/easier thing and continue your enabling of mass illegal migration .....
And the list goes on.
And there will be only one message heard (quite rightly so) if this bill becomes law. Sky
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (QDnY+)
If McConnell refuses this -- this means McConnell is refusing precisely because he doesn't want those poison pills stripped out.
exactly
and he supports Open Borders and Globalization - all in one and one for all
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: Mark Matis at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (nZJej)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (Evws/)
Posted by: Turambar's phone at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (9+ai1)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (zBaqJ)
My Valentines Gift to my hubby is a T-Bone steak. It's heart-shaped enough...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (OKeCc)
Awwww...nothing says "I love you" like red meat...
Posted by: antisocialist at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (2shuf)
Roses ARE red.
They're for YOU, my love.
Ill pull up in my van.
You'll go in with a shove.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (8XRCm)
Lol. That's funny because I always avoid parking next to a panel van. Seriously. Ya never know.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (ptqGC)
The Senate passed it with a veto proof majority. Safe bet is that the House will do the same. He can't veto it. It becomes law when the House passes it that way.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (ffYR/
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Really? To be clear, if both houses pass legislation with veto-proof majorities, the pres by law can't veto it? Do I gotta bone up on the Constitution?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:35 PM (13CQC)
I off-handedly said this in the last thread but now I am convinced.
WAR.
Deputize as many national guard or others that you can and go on a blitz-fucking-krieg to enforce all our laws to the hilt.
National emergency means apprehension of illegals whenever and wherever you can and repatriation out of the USA with all speed. No trials, no nothing. You are a foreigner here illegally, then out you go.
Enough.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:06 PM (zBaqJ)
We know what you are trying to say, but not able to just come out and say it.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 04:14 PM (sy5kK)
This is a little vague on JJ's part but I support him and his crazy ideas.
Hell, give me a stack of signed, undated Presidential pardons and we'll get some friends together and fix a lot of problems.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 14, 2019 04:17 PM (bcbK
"It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done."
Posted by: Catoi at February 14, 2019 04:35 PM (fIV4c)
Posted by: Weasel at February 14, 2019 04:35 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (OKeCc)
Awwww...nothing says "I love you" like red meat...
Posted by: antisocialist at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (2shuf)
REEEEEeeeeeeeee!
Posted by: Cory Hetero Booker at February 14, 2019 04:35 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (ffYR/)
If it hasn't passed both Houses already and been signed into law, I don't see how he couldn't veto it. That is his job. To either approve legislation passed or not approved it in which case Congress has to override his non-approval to make it law.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (AmZyC)
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You're not the real MUMR. The REAL Mumr's posts go away when I hit refresh.
You, sir, are an imposter.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (8XRCm)
Might be somewhere with a fresh IP address. Might be BSG in drag. Doesn't matter. Same troll, different day.
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (RD7QR)
McConnell is wholly owned by the US Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: Iron Wombat at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (/qASX)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:32 PM (zBaqJ)
heh
More like Florian Munteanu
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (OKeCc)
majorities, the pres by law can't veto it?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:35 PM (13CQC)
No. That's not how it works.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (ZO2tM)
He's the only choosing to play along with them. It'd be one thing if he fought and lost. But the excuse of "He'd lose if he fought, so why fight?" is horseshit.
They have a veto proof majority? Fine. Let them override him and own it. Let the GOP vote with the Democrats while Trump slams the bill and talks about what's in it, and what it would mean.
But the attitude of "Come on guys, he's trying his best but he got snookered, don't make him fight, it puts GOP seats at risk if we say a lot of them are RINOs" is insipid.
If he wants to surrender because he can't win, then I didn't vote for a fighter after all. I got Jeb on a time-delay release.
Posted by: SecBlasphemy at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (DUynq)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:31 PM (U7k5w)
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He won't have to sign it. If the House also passes it with a veto proof majority, it becomes law. No veto possible. Nothing PDT can do. Period.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Ben Had at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (2TTOn)
Umm, I'm crystal clear. I mean every word literally with no hidden meanings. If you are inferring anything else, then that's you all.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: washrivergal at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (aWjrD)
"It was Palzini all along."
- - Veto Corleone
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (zBaqJ)
He was a pimp. He never could've outfought Bozumi.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (NWiLs)
Cocaine Mitch with the Dems siding with him: LOLOLOL you'll eat the poison pills and ask for more.
Actual citizens: So no lube again, eh?
Posted by: physics geek at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (huQJB)
The Senate passed it with a veto proof majority. Safe bet is that the House will do the same. He can't veto it. It becomes law when the House passes it that way.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (ffYR/
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Really? To be clear, if both houses pass legislation with veto-proof majorities, the pres by law can't veto it? Do I gotta bone up on the Constitution?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:35 PM (13CQC)
Nope. He can still veto it, and they have to re-vote. There is no guarantee that all the same "yes" votes will still vote to overturn the president's veto.
Posted by: Catoi at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (fIV4c)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM (RD7QR)
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I wager 500 quattloos on BSG in drag.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: dagny at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (nRWPy)
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (BJlbN)
Posted by: Mark Matis at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (nZJej)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (Evws/)
Whew...so I'm not crazy. Not totally, anyway.
Posted by: antisocialist at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (2shuf)
please get me and Mrs Eez on the prayer list - Monday morning it seems my colon perforated leading to emergency surgery Tuesday night into Wednesday morning.
Recovering well, but could use all the support and healing prayers you've got available.
Hard to sit up, huge belly pain, more tomorrow.
Thanks !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (NZ+Vf)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (2LelM)
NE?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (zBaqJ)
That'll teach Trump!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (ptqGC)
.........
Well he better, because congress ain't gonna do shit.
Posted by: wth at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (v0R5T)
House will do the same. He can't veto it. It becomes law when the House
passes it that way.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (ffYR/
He can veto it and make them go through the effort of overriding that veto. There is nothing in the Constitution (that I know of anyway) that says he can't veto if they already have enough votes to override.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (AmZyC)
But he should veto. Sarah Sanders says he will sign.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Skip at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (/rm4P)
https://tinyurl.com/y2rnw66y
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (AllCR)
Ace, Trump is the only game in town. There are no other realistic options.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: blue at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (foffp)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (2LelM)
NE?
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National Emergency.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (2LelM)
I'm not sure how much leeway he has with the NE declaration.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (yTfbH)
Posted by: antisocialist at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (2shuf)
REEEEEeeeeeeeee!
Posted by: Cory Hetero Booker at February 14, 2019 04:35 PM (ptqGC)
Since Loopy wants to eliminate cattle eating a steak is all patriotic and earth friendly and stuff.
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (UAZp8)
Posted by: DaveA at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Weasel at February 14, 2019 04:35 PM (MVjcR)
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The worst part of it was who you had to eat with.
In related news, I got a nice box of Valentine's Day chocolates from someone who isn't my husband.
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (U5tDi)
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:30 PM (ffYR/)
That's not true. He vetos it with explanation, then each house has to override the veto with a 2/3 majority.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 14, 2019 04:33 PM (wYseH)
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Ah, thanks. My mistake. Sorry all.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Pam at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (qRq6C)
Posted by: Mark Matis at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (nZJej)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (Evws/)
I second that
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (gC2IV)
.......
for that reason alone it should be VETO
Posted by: wth at February 14, 2019 04:33 PM (v0R5T)
Yeah, the only reason to make a bill that big is to hide stuff in it.
Posted by: rickl at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (xjiRE)
Posted by: CN at February 14, 2019 04:31 PM (U7k5w)
Concur. Make them override the veto. Then declare a national emergency.
Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (TD9KB)
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (BJlbN)
it with a veto proof majority, it becomes law. No veto possible. Nothing
PDT can do. Period.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 14, 2019 04:36 PM
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Uh, we beg to disagree.
Posted by: The Senate at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (JUOKG)
Where'd ya go?
Posted by: dagny at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (nRWPy)
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Pan Am in Fairfax. Ever been?
Posted by: Weasel at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (90T4r)
Nope. He can still veto it, and they have to re-vote. There is no guarantee that all the same "yes" votes will still vote to overturn the president's veto.
Posted by: Catoi at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (fIV4c)
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Both better and worse. He can veto it (better), but doesn't (worse).
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (13CQC)
Sorry to hear of your troubles, Will pray for you and put you on the list. may God strengthen, heal and bless you and be with the Mrs. eez as well.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (AllCR)
Hi Horde,
please get me and Mrs Eez on the prayer list - Monday morning it
seems my colon perforated leading to emergency surgery Tuesday night
into Wednesday morning.
Recovering well, but could use all the support and healing prayers you've got available.
Hard to sit up, huge belly pain, more tomorrow.
Thanks !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (NZ+Vf)
Good grief. Prayers, you got 'em hon. And having had an emergency C-section (epidural didn't take, either), I totes get the unable to sit up, huge belly pain.
Get better!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (ptqGC)
.@fox32news has learned from @Chicago_Police that the 2 persons of interests they are talking to were an extra on #Empire and his close friend. They were picked up at the airport and are the ones in surveillance video.
-
Hollywood. Another hotbed of Republican terrorism.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (+y/Ru)
Trump needs a presser where he sits down and reads every single one of the poison pills and what they mean and then announces this is not how the government protects its citizens.
Vetoes the bill. Admits they have the votes to override but his conscience is clear. Offers another short term CR.
You're move COngress. But Im not playing.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Weasel at February 14, 2019 04:35 PM (MVjcR)
Mmm. Veal. The cruelty makes it taste so good!
Posted by: Insomniac at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (NWiLs)
Close gov?
To what end?
Posted by: Pam at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (qRq6C)
To tell the scum to go fuck themselves.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - last single man standing on Valentine's Day?? at February 14, 2019 04:41 PM (8ov+p)
Just emailed the White House since the phones are closed.
Please do the same.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 14, 2019 04:23 PM (yTfbH)
Done.
It was easy.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:41 PM (8iiMU)
Hard to sit up, huge belly pain, more tomorrow.
Thanks !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (NZ+Vf)
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My goodness sock, glad you got to the hospital in good time. Get better soon!
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:41 PM (U5tDi)
Posted by: Blago
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I'm just going to wait and see on this. PDT did not get to be a billionaire by lacking focus.
Posted by: Calm Mentor
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PDJFT hasn't screwed me yet and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he does.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at February 14, 2019 04:41 PM (ZgjWN)
The worst part of it was who you had to eat with.
In related news, I got a nice box of Valentine's Day chocolates from someone who isn't my husband.
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (U5tDi)
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No way!
Posted by: Weasel at February 14, 2019 04:41 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Mark Matis at February 14, 2019 04:08 PM (nZJej)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 14, 2019 04:34 PM (Evws/)
I second that
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:39 PM (OKeCc)
And not the gentler and kind of banhammer-the other kind.
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 14, 2019 04:41 PM (UAZp8)
Posted by: physics geek at February 14, 2019 04:41 PM (huQJB)
Act 2: Trump declares nat'l emergency
Act 3: dems throw themselves to the floor in mock hysteria
Act 4: with tiny amount, Trump makes big deal about the sad 40 miles of barrier built (hey, he technically "built" the wall!!)
Act 5: dems file suit to block more, court issues injunction
Act 6: emergency rolls thru courts for over a year, finally rejected by US Supremes with Roberts siding with dems.
SUCCESS!!!
Posted by: Eric Rabkin at February 14, 2019 04:42 PM (YjzW1)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 04:42 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: Skip at February 14, 2019 04:42 PM (/rm4P)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (2LelM)
NE?
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Nebraska.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:42 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:43 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: literally serious at February 14, 2019 04:43 PM (3Q2mj)
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 14, 2019 04:43 PM (AmZyC)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 14, 2019 04:43 PM (r+sAi)
1) Thank both parties for coming together on a spending bill but note that it's over a 1,000 pages long and on the eve of a shutdown.
2) Noting that he doesn't want a shutdown and wants everyone to get paid, they should quickly pass another 3 week CR so the American people can see exactly what BOTH parties just agreed to.
He would pants both the GOP and DEMs. What are they going to say "no, we HAVE to pass THIS ONE?" He would expose both parties while strengthening the outsider label.
They would have three options 1) pass a CR 2) shutdown the govt by not passing the CR (not trump's fault he wants people to get paid), and 3) over-riding a presidential veto.
The GOP would cease being a party if they picked option 3.
Posted by: bif at February 14, 2019 04:44 PM (aiyac)
And as noted by ace and others, over-riding Trump veto on this would be far from certain. It would, in effect, be the GOP's open declaration of war on Trump (and his voters) - so brazen that even American voters would notice.
Been many years since we've had genuine veto fights. Back in the 80s/90s, when they did happen, over-rides were rare, and an uphill thing for Congress. As noted earlier I don't really know what country I'm looking at any more, but if I have to bet right now, I'd say over-ride of veto on *this* incredibly disastrous bill would be a long-shot.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:44 PM (QDnY+)
well no, they don't have to do that. And certainly Trump doesn't have to sign it, to find the poison pills. And taxpayers don't want to spend millions to help the invasion ... Trump should tweet about that.
or maybe Mueller's mafia has enough blackmail material on Trump (and/or his family) for DeepState to get him to sell out America. Mueller is still there, means the mob is still in charge.
Posted by: illiniwek at February 14, 2019 04:44 PM (Cus5s)
please get me and Mrs Eez on the prayer list - Monday morning it
seems my colon perforated leading to emergency surgery Tuesday night
into Wednesday morning.
Recovering well, but could use all the support and healing prayers you've got available.
Hard to sit up, huge belly pain, more tomorrow.
Thanks !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (NZ+Vf)
Good heavens... take it easy, rest and do as the doctors tell you...prayers going up!
Posted by: Antisocialist at February 14, 2019 04:44 PM (2shuf)
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at February 14, 2019 04:33 PM (RD7QR)
No, this is really his last chance. Nothing is happening next year with the election. At some point you have to deliver.
Posted by: WOPR at February 14, 2019 04:44 PM (J70i0)
Who in DC is not a duplicitous traitor at this point?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 14, 2019 04:44 PM (W+vEI)
"If Pres Trump decides to go with a NE, it is a terrible mistake, a gross abuse of the power of the Presidency"
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt"
I can actually hear him say that I read it in his nasally, smug voice. Talk about triggering and punchable face.
Posted by: Ripley at February 14, 2019 04:44 PM (MxEKc)
Switchboard closed at 4:00 EST but you can send an e-mail.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 14, 2019 04:44 PM (AllCR)
They're comparing it to 'Space Jam' as if that were a good thing.
Burn, baby, burn
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 14, 2019 04:45 PM (bcbK8)
408 Act 1: Trump signs bill
Act 2: Trump declares nat'l emergency
Act 3: dems throw themselves to the floor in mock hysteria
Act 4: with tiny amount, Trump makes big deal about the sad 40 miles of barrier built (hey, he technically "built" the wall!!)
Act 5: dems file suit to block more, court issues injunction
Act 6: emergency rolls thru courts for over a year, finally rejected by US Supremes with Roberts siding with dems.
SUCCESS!!!
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He has the money until the Supremes rule the Constitution really means what it says. Then he has $26B for 2020. Oh, and RBG's replacement will be in place.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:45 PM (2LelM)
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Hollywood. Another hotbed of Republican terrorism.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 14, 2019 04:40 PM (+y/Ru)
Are they black? Of course political correctness means you can't ID the race 'cause racist.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:45 PM (TD9KB)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:45 PM (ptqGC)
Ilhan Omar's fistula in the previous thread will be dealt with.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:45 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 14, 2019 04:43 PM (AmZyC)
Ilhan Omar
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 14, 2019 04:45 PM (OKeCc)
Posted by: Jewells45 at February 14, 2019 04:45 PM (dUJdY)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:45 PM (ptqGC)
Same but I said not to sign it. I'm sure (I hope) he'll do the right thing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:45 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:46 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:46 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at February 14, 2019 04:46 PM (n2qRY)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:46 PM (2LelM)
Yes. It was quite good. I think the Coen's are the best American film makers today.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:46 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: physics geek at February 14, 2019 04:46 PM (huQJB)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (ptqGC)
I agree, ace. Trump should not sign this bill.
Here is another reason why:
The bill could be cleverly self-referential.
That is, they could use vague wording in a tediously obscure and seemingly innocuous section of the bill that 'suggests' that some other remote section of the bill be 'consulted'. And that remote section of the bill could then address some seemingly trivial issue BUT THEN vaguely refer to yet another remote section of the bill which would use vague/obscure language to undermine any and all presidential authority to build a border barrier without further congressional approval.
In other words, they could have vague and subtly layered self-referential triggers that LEGITIMATELY result in the repeal the president's authority to declare an emergency.
I am EXTREMELY worried about this shit-burg of a bill that's about to be jammed through without carefully analyzing it.
The fucker is over ONE THOUSAND PAGES LONG!
They could totally fuck the president up with this damn thing.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (Z2PYk)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (90T4r)
CMON PEOPLE!!!!!!!
**NOBODY** GIVES A SOCK A HARD TIME BY ASKING "WHAT" PERFORATED HIS COLON??????
ITS LIKE DONT EVEN KNOW YOU GUYS ANYMORE!!!
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (8XRCm)
I also told Trump he should read the Morning Report!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:46 PM (2LelM)
Yes
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (TD9KB)
I think they were trying to make it an insult. He looked fine.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:46 PM (2LelM)
Yes, instant classic. Well worth a look.
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (RD7QR)
And now you shove the Democrats provisions up their ass like a Thanksgiving turkey and make them defend their pro illegal Immigrants, anti American taint. Win. Ugly win. But Win.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (1XGOd)
436433 Has anybody here viewed Millers Crossing? Is it worth the rental?
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:46 PM (2LelM)
Yes. It was quite good. I think the Coen's are the best American film makers today.
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Just watched Barton Fink last week. Enjoyed it. Noticed Millers Crossing was highly rated. Thanks JJ.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (2LelM)
Almost as if that was the plan all along.
Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:37 PM (2LelM)
NE?
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Nebraska.
Posted by: fixerupper"
That is the part we get to keep and mostly illegal free. For a few more years, that is.
Posted by: Ripley at February 14, 2019 04:48 PM (MxEKc)
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Sub sandwiches are restricted weapons since the Jussie beating. And they're NOT mentioned in the second amendment!
Posted by: andycanuck at February 14, 2019 04:48 PM (Evws/)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (zBaqJ)
You know, that one email could lead to your being his press sec. when Sarah Sanders has had enough.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:48 PM (ptqGC)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-14/trump-aides-less-certain-he-will-sign-funding-bill-cnn
Posted by: geewhiz at February 14, 2019 04:48 PM (G2Sbo)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt"
I can actually hear him say that I read it in his nasally, smug voice. Talk about triggering and punchable face.
Posted by: Ripley at February 14, 2019 04:44 PM (MxEKc)
Oh, tell me about it.
I'm glad he was only on for about two minutes, otherwise I'd have to go to the store to purchase a new TV.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 14, 2019 04:48 PM (8iiMU)
.@fox32news has learned from @Chicago_Police that the 2 persons of
interests they are talking to were an extra on #Empire and his close
friend. They were picked up at the airport and are the ones in
surveillance video.
So, some sort of acquaintance?
Uh, huh. Think we have found our 'hookup.'
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (oVJmc)
aka Failure Theater
Posted by: Floyd of Rosedale at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (GaIMc)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Everything I Needed to Know About Coding I Learned From RBG at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (LX21o)
So insane, that more than half of congress wants open borders, which is a certain end to America as we know it, and a likely certain New World Order (communism/globalism) with surrender of sovereign power (to the extent we still have it).
Posted by: illiniwek at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (zmIJL)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (TD9KB)
Remind me again - how many divisions does the CJ of the SCOTUS command?
Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2019 04:50 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 14, 2019 04:50 PM (Evws/)
Posted by: fixerupper"
That is the part we get to keep and mostly illegal free.
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Heh. Never been to IBP processing plant huh?
no se hablan en ingles
Posted by: fixerupper at February 14, 2019 04:50 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Skip at February 14, 2019 04:50 PM (/rm4P)
So insane, that more than half of congress wants open borders, which is a certain end to America as we know it,
But not as THEY know it. More underclass just means more people depending on them and empowering them.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 14, 2019 04:51 PM (oVJmc)
more than half of congress wants open borders
Posted by: illiniwek at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (Cus5s
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Who the fuck elected those people? The same people who voted for Trump, wtf?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at February 14, 2019 04:51 PM (13CQC)
Miller's Crossing is one of my all time favorite films.
The Coen brothers are some of the greatest film makers of all time.
In my opinion, only Kubrick and Lynch exceed them. - And it's honestly a close call.
I own Miller's Crossing on blue-ray, and I watch it about once a year.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at February 14, 2019 04:51 PM (Z2PYk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (zBaqJ)
You know, that one email could lead to your being his press sec. when Sarah Sanders has had enough.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:48 PM (ptqGC)
Dang! Forget to demand my friggin press pass!!!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:51 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at February 14, 2019 04:51 PM (zmIJL)
Posted by: Todd is a dick at February 14, 2019 04:51 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 04:52 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (TD9KB)
Ron Reagan + Tom Hagen?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:52 PM (zBaqJ)
It is vital that you remain strong and reject this poison-pill of a continuing resolution. The American people are behind you, but only if you continue to do what you have promised, and signing this bill is a repudiation of that promise. Declare a National Emergency, build the wall, then tell Congress that you will sign any reasonable continuing resolution that does not jeopardize the safety and security of the United States.
Sincerely,
CharlieBrown'sDildo
[well...maybe I used a different name...]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 14, 2019 04:52 PM (wYseH)
interests they are talking to were an extra on #Empire and his close
friend. They were picked up at the airport and are the ones in
surveillance video.----
That would explain how they knew he was gay and on Empire.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:52 PM (TD9KB)
So, steak and ???
Posted by: Conqueror of All Foes Cheese at February 14, 2019 04:52 PM (9m9TT)
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at February 14, 2019 04:51 PM (zmIJL)
If they did that then they would be openly declaring war on all of us. That really would be the end of the GOP.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:53 PM (zBaqJ)
We cannot allow any more illegals in to our country. We are going to be overrun, and in many areas, already have been.
This is an invasion and WAR. Treat it as such.
Posted by: ILikeMyMenMachoandStrongand FullOfToxicTestosterone at February 14, 2019 04:53 PM (J9wxX)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:53 PM (2LelM)
In my opinion, only Kubrick and Lynch exceed them. - And it's honestly a close call.
in RECENT films, they're one of the best. Long term?
Kazan
Frankenheimer
Selznick
Preminger
Peckinpah
Jewison
and that's just off the top of my head
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2019 04:53 PM (Kpl3J)
Sincerely,CharlieBrown'sDildo
[well...maybe I used a different name...]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 14, 2019 04:52 PM (wYseH)
You totally fucked up. You didn't tell him to read the Morning Report and give me a press pass.
Very disappointed, Dil.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:54 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 14, 2019 04:52 PM (wYseH)
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Did you call him "Mr. Trump" instead of "Mr. President?"
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:54 PM (U5tDi)
Posted by: washrivergal at February 14, 2019 04:54 PM (aWjrD)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 14, 2019 04:54 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:54 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 14, 2019 04:55 PM (OLCnA)
Good for you!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 14, 2019 04:55 PM (AllCR)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:55 PM (ptqGC)
please get me and Mrs Eez on the prayer list - Monday morning it seems my colon perforated leading to emergency surgery Tuesday night into Wednesday morning.
Recovering well, but could use all the support and healing prayers you've got available.
Hard to sit up, huge belly pain, more tomorrow.
Thanks !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 14, 2019 04:38 PM (NZ+Vf)
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Prayers up.
get better soon.
Posted by: SMH at February 14, 2019 04:55 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: washrivergal at February 14, 2019 04:54 PM (aWjrD)
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Me too and me neither, but we do what we can, right?
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:55 PM (U5tDi)
"That which is ready to fall, deserves to be pushed." - Nietzsche
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2019 04:56 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:56 PM (2LelM)
They're comparing it to 'Space Jam' as if that were a good thing.
Space Jam?
Best. Movie. EVER!!
Posted by: Michael Jordan at February 14, 2019 04:56 PM (sy5kK)
CBD, you should have promised him a copy of the cookbook if he vetoes the bill.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:55 PM (ptqGC)
Oh, sure 'Comrade' D'oh-setovksy! Russian Collusion and bribery!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 14, 2019 04:56 PM (37IEG)
Whoa. Bill Wynn winked in and then out like Lazarus!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:56 PM (zBaqJ)
Me too and me neither, but we do what we can, right?
Posted by: bluebell at February 14, 2019 04:55 PM (U5tDi)
+++And pray, I guess.
Posted by: washrivergal at February 14, 2019 04:57 PM (aWjrD)
Posted by: Skip at February 14, 2019 04:57 PM (/rm4P)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:57 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: rhomboid at February 14, 2019 04:57 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:47 PM (zBaqJ)
..........
I hope you mentioned that he can get health tips and movie reviews here too.
Posted by: wth at February 14, 2019 04:57 PM (v0R5T)
Jesse Watters is going through the crap in the bill.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 14, 2019 04:57 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: kk at February 14, 2019 04:57 PM (Hm5UC)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 04:56 PM (2LelM)
His ashes were scattered in the Pacific Ocean back in 1980.
Posted by: DocJ at February 14, 2019 04:58 PM (NYS7S)
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Where is Hitchcock?
he settled down in the middle of my head, I never go that deep when I'm posting here.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 14, 2019 04:58 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:49 PM (TD9KB)
Ron Reagan + Tom Hagen?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 14, 2019 04:52 PM (zBaqJ)
*snort*
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 04:58 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Anachronda at February 14, 2019 04:58 PM (sGtp+)
Literally nothing to lose.
Signing at this point is an own goal. It makes absolutely zero sense.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at February 14, 2019 04:58 PM (hjaPQ)
Posted by: kraken at February 14, 2019 04:58 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 14, 2019 04:58 PM (Evws/)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 14, 2019 04:59 PM (fuK7c)
You are better 'read' in film than I am.
But I would add Hitchcock to that list. In fact - in no particular order - Hitchcock, Coen bros, Lynch, Eastwood, and Kubrick may well be my top five.
Also, I LOVE MST3K.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at February 14, 2019 04:59 PM (Z2PYk)
489 So will RBG die tonight? That would guarantee a Fun Friday. "
"That which is ready to fall, deserves to be pushed." - Nietzsche
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Watched an engineering show last night on demolitions. There was a guy that tried repeatedly to blast an industrial smokestack three times and then decided to use his excavator to claw at the damaged foundation. Surprisingly the cab of an excavator can take the impact of 2,000 tons of bricks and allow the operator to walk away from it. Quite stunning, really.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 05:00 PM (2LelM)
Declare emergency in meantime.
After extension, ask for another one. Repeat until better terms obtained. Meanwhile, keep building the wall. Dems refuse extension, they have shutdown the government.
Posted by: Scoob at February 14, 2019 05:00 PM (ulUS7)
Buy More Ammo!
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (TD9KB)
Mark Andrew Edwards has an AoS assistant?
How does one get an AoS assistant?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 05:01 PM (sy5kK)
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Where is Hitchcock?
he settled down in the middle of my head, I never go that deep when I'm posting here.
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The Thirty Nine Steps is still one of the best movies ever made.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 14, 2019 05:01 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: DanMan at February 14, 2019 05:05 PM (XTiHL)
This is far from over, people.
Posted by: Sooner at February 14, 2019 05:07 PM (Fs5vw)
ace, I have to admit that I am a bit terrified by this bill.
I agree that if Trump signs this fucked up bill (BEFORE declaring an emergency) and thereby effectively hamstrings himself: then it's over.
I won't be able to vocally support him anymore.
I'll have to point out that he's either ridiculously incompetent or is consciously part of Failure Theater. - Neither one is remotely acceptable.
The Donald had damn well better not fuck this up.
God bless him.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at February 14, 2019 05:09 PM (Z2PYk)
516 I agree that if Trump signs this fucked up bill (BEFORE declaring an emergency) and thereby effectively hamstrings himself: then it's over.
well, now there's an interesting point. suppose the bill contains language preventing trump from funding the wall by declaring an emergency. what happens if he declares an emergency *before* signing the bill?
Posted by: Anachronda at February 14, 2019 05:13 PM (sGtp+)
Buy More Ammo!
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 14, 2019 04:11 PM (TD9KB)
Mark Andrew Edwards has an AoS assistant?
How does one get an AoS assistant?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 14, 2019 05:01 PM (sy5kK)
Just be into the zietgeist. The zeitgiest is all about buying ammo, cuz...reasons.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 14, 2019 05:23 PM (bcbK8)
Anachronda at roughly comment 517,
Logically and legally, whatever events transpire before a new law takes effect should be unaffected by that law.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at February 14, 2019 05:27 PM (Z2PYk)
I'm an original supporter and under no circumstances will I stick with Trump over this betrayal if it's as advertised.
Posted by: Options at February 14, 2019 05:28 PM (uxcpz)
If Trump declares an emergency and THEN signs the fucked up bill, then his emergency declaration should not be effected by whatever fucked up poison pills are contained in the bill.
If he fails to at least declare an emergency BEFORE signing the shit-bill and then the shit-bill fucks up his action: THEN ITS ALL ON TRUMP.
period.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at February 14, 2019 05:29 PM (Z2PYk)
The chips are down.
Trump hasn't failed us yet. (At least not in any significant way.)
But there is always a first time for everything.
May God help him and us.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at February 14, 2019 05:32 PM (Z2PYk)
They don't care about any havoc wreaked on the US worker. In fact that may be a feature not a bug.
He signs it and only a bit of wall or some dancing around then he can blow me next year. I don't know who I'll vote for in that case.
This is a red line.
Posted by: jakee308 at February 14, 2019 05:43 PM (PbF7X)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at February 14, 2019 05:47 PM (GA5Lu)
He signs it and only a bit of wall or some dancing around then he can blow me next year
____________________
Get in line. He had to blow me first.
I've been reading all week about his wanting more foreigner workers here. He's a liar as far as I'm concerned.
That was not what was promised on the campaign trail. He's lied about DACA and now is wanting to screw over Americans for cheap labor that brings in their families, lives off govt. programs, and never leaves, drop their anchor babies who get to call all of us white people (you know actual Americans) racist.
It's amazing. A white kid, American can't check a government application box for but a Hispanic or Indian or Nigerian kid can. It's absurd.
I bet all those white ancestors are sure glad they sacrificed and went to war after war after war for Somalians and Indians to be able to tell their grandchildren, great grandchildren, great great great grandchildren their racist in their own country. That their descendants are only here to pay for non-white people and non-citizens.
Posted by: Options at February 14, 2019 05:55 PM (4G7qs)
Posted by: Rose at February 14, 2019 05:58 PM (Ot5t8)
Posted by: Guido at February 14, 2019 06:51 PM (Bi0Vw)
Sorry guys, if Trump were serious about this, he would have done all of this while the Republicans still controlled the House.
He would of still would have failed but he would of have had a better chance than trying to do this with Nancy in charge.
The only difference is that the voters would have blamed the Republicans.
This is wall theater.
Posted by: rayj at February 14, 2019 07:21 PM (pI/IV)
You can find the whole text online, I believe. Read it before it's stuffed down the Memory Hole.
Posted by: Beverly at February 15, 2019 03:26 AM (DgiIZ)
Posted by: billypaintbrush at February 15, 2019 06:34 AM (cSSBx)
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