Pro-Infanticide Governor Ralph Northam Calls African Slaves "Indentured Servants"

There were of course indentured servants in early American history. But they were different from slaves.

Don't get me wrong: Indentured servitude was practically slavery. But I'm pretty sure your children weren't part of the permanent indentured servant class.

It's just weird that Northam, who is already in hot water about racial matters, is euphemizing forcible slavery by capture.

As a lot of people speculate: they accuse others of what they know they believe themselves.

Update: Was he right, at least according to Virginia's own state educational guidelines?

Ben Triblett reports that the first Africans in Jamestown, at least according to the state of Virginia's own history curriculum, were indentured servants.

Hm, I admit, I did not think that Africans were indentured servants; I thought indentured servants were Irish and English people who were in debtors' prisons or who were sentenced to effective slavery as punishment for a crime. Maybe I'm jumping too fast myself.

I'm now remembering a practice Lindybiege talked about used to bring Pacific Islander natives to work Australian mines. It was called "blackbirding." A captain would bring a ship to an island and parley with the island's chief. He'd say "give me 60 men who will work for five years, and I'll pay them handsomely, and then I'll send them back with knives, axes, and rifles for the tribe."

In other words, he'd offer a decent trade, and men would willingly (or maybe pressured by the chief) get on the boat.

The trouble was, when they got to Australia, it was a lie; you were a slave. You'd been "blackbirded" -- tricked into slavery and then forced to remain in slavery through violence/coercion.

So who knows, maybe something like that was going on in the early colonies -- I'm trying to think of something that could be called "indentured servitude" or simple slavery depending on how you look at it.

...

Meanwhile, Virginia Democrats will, get this, not pursue impeachment against twice-accused credibly alleged rapist Justin Fairfax until they've had a good think about it and maybe done some more polling.

The Virginia lawmaker threatening to file an impeachment resolution against Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax said Monday that he will hold off on the plan for now and have more conversations with his colleagues.

Del. Patrick Hope, D-Arlington, who had said he would file his resolution today, appeared to be acting without wide support from his caucus or the Republican majority in the House of Delegates.

Hope circulated a draft resolution Sunday afternoon that called for the House Courts of Justice Committee to hold hearings on the two sexual assault allegations made against Fairfax and recommend whether the lieutenant governor should be impeached.

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1 Not enough popcorn.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 11, 2019 12:54 PM (gC2IV)

2 Or booze

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 11, 2019 12:54 PM (gC2IV)

3
I'm an indentured servant to She Who Must be Obeyed...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at February 11, 2019 12:54 PM (w3OLr)

4 But mostly booze

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 11, 2019 12:54 PM (gC2IV)

5
Also, not first!

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at February 11, 2019 12:55 PM (w3OLr)

6 read content and the link content, where's e'erbody at?

Posted by: DanMan at February 11, 2019 12:56 PM (XTiHL)

7 so glad to live here...

still, it's not Illinois, yet.

so we got that going for us.

second look at moving to the mountains and disappearing from the world?

Posted by: SturmToddler at February 11, 2019 12:56 PM (8D42x)

8 Ooh, actually -- I think he may be factually correct.

I seem to recall something about the first Africans being brought to VA (in 1619ish, probably) being brought by Dutch traders, and treated as indentured servants. I *think* that that is right.

And basically an indentured servant was a contract saying "I will work for you for free for 7 years, if you pay for me to come to the New World, and pay my living expenses, etc. and at the end of my term, you provide me with enough capital to get out on my own."

It's how a lot of poorer people first came to the New World.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 12:57 PM (GBteo)

9 C'mon bitch....just the tip. I sware!


Posted by: Lt. Fairfax at February 11, 2019 12:57 PM (xqfqx)

10 Of course, if they get away with it here, then they know that they will get away with it in perpetuity.

"Nothing happened to Fairfax, so everything is fair game for us (Demoncrats) forever! Shut up, we explain!"

Posted by: Hikaru at February 11, 2019 12:57 PM (UnA8+)

11 Indentured?

What, with, like, Polident?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 11, 2019 12:57 PM (AURKQ)

12 I seem to recall that early slaves were called "indentured servants", but were indentured for life.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at February 11, 2019 12:57 PM (wCmLp)

13
So, what you're saying is that all I have to do is get elected as a Democrat to some lameo job and I'm home free?

*scribbles notes*

Posted by: Aspiring Rapist and Murderer at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (w3OLr)

14 So, Rapists should register as Democrats?

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (/wAOm)

15 I attended the NoVaMoMee...

I wore pale face.

Nobody minded.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (cqNba)

16 Even if he's technically correct, he's an idiot for saying it, given his situation.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (gC2IV)

17 Really, hasn't there been enough poling in this matter?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (ymnmz)

18 You mean there's no bottom to the stupidity of the morally bankrupt scum that thinks they should rule us?!

Gasp, shock, etc.

Posted by: trev006 at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (Prldh)

19 We just got to the last thread.

Posted by: Bikini Baristias of the Pacific Northwest at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (DMUuz)

20 So let's see here...

Saying some women will throw themselves at powerful men - IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE

Literally Raping women? Err...it wasn't rape-rape

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (cRkMZ)

21 There's GOT to be a pony down here! Just keep digging!

Posted by: Gov. Coonman at February 11, 2019 12:59 PM (RD7QR)

22 2020 Dems can't step foot in VA right now.

Posted by: Ha at February 11, 2019 12:59 PM (MAstk)

23 Yeah, just looked it up I was right -- the first batch of africans to arrive in the new world were treated as indentured servants, not slaves.

Apparently it was illegal to hold christians slaves at the time, and the 19 africans had been baptized by the Spanish, before being captured by the Dutch, so yeah.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 12:59 PM (GBteo)

24 #believe mouth-rape all women

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 11, 2019 12:59 PM (tY9JS)

25 This is of course the way ignorant racists talk. They have caricatures and images of what African Americans should be and the history of racism against blacks in American. But they literally have no intellectual or historical grounding. So this is what comes out, more patronizing ignorance from Mr Banjo Playing, Wanna-Be Slavemaster.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 12:59 PM (VpIIl)

26 Not this again.

It is factually correct. You could look it up!

But, doesn't matter.

Northam is a terrrible person and should resign. But because he is a terrible person, he won't.

And he wants my kids and I to attend sensitivity training to make up for his lack of judgement.

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2019 12:59 PM (9VeU0)

27 So, what you're saying is that all I have to do is get elected as a Democrat to some lameo job and I'm home free?___

Yep.
Remember to give helpful advice though like "you should put some ice on that"

Posted by: Bill Clinton at February 11, 2019 12:59 PM (cRkMZ)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (tY9JS)

29 If I didn't know better, I'd say Republicans are in danger of losing the mantle of being the Stupid Party ... but I do know better.

Posted by: ShainS -- Registered Hat Offender at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (KUG+v)

30 Methinks the VA repubs are just sitting back enjoying the implosion and let them self-destruct from a distance. The longer the three stunads remain in office, the better.

Posted by: lwc at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (G8lfi)

31 Impeaching Northam doesn't have the support of dems or repubs in Virginia. Let that sink in a minute.

Posted by: JuJuBee at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (L31Sa)

32 That's it. I'm going on Strike!

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (/wAOm)

33 striking.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (AURKQ)

34 Rut roh. Self-reporting. To barrel.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (tY9JS)

35 Too late, Bitter Clinger. You know the drill.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (gC2IV)

36 16 Even if he's technically correct, he's an idiot for saying it, given his situation.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (gC2IV)

Yes. Absolutely agree.

It's a pedantic point to argue "well, technically, they were only limited term slaves, and under the laws of VA were considered indentured servants even though they had no say in coming to the new world."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (GBteo)

37 Baby killer Ralphie wants the speech he made on abortion procedures to go away real bad. Too bad Ralphie, we got you on tape.

Posted by: Lump at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (aHfbX)

38 I believe the first African came as indentured servants, and a black landowner in Virginia was the one who forced his African indentured servants into slavery using the existing British legal system. This brought slavery to the colonies. It was similar to the legal mechanism used in the Caribbean colonies.

Posted by: Jean at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (25Dt7)

39 I feel a strange disturbance in the force, like a million characters cried out and then were struck out.

Posted by: Obi-18-1 at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (cRkMZ)

40 Bitter Clinger you don't come here for the hunting, do you?

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (9VeU0)

41 There's nothing to cling to in the Barrel...but, there is a plethora of Bitterness.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (/wAOm)

42 I always thought indentured servitude was a pretty good for both parties: free transit to the new world, learn a trade, work for an agreed to, specific period of time, the be free, butterfly!!

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (ty7RM)

43


But, he meant it in a good way.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Raniere at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (z8c2c)

44 Well he's a clueless asshole, the baby killing thing was the 2nd proof of that, the 1st being a choice 30+ years ago to dress in blackfacet, then his press conference and this comment are just more proof where none is needed any
more.

He needs to let his wife do all his talking from here on out, she's obviously the brains in that operation.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (37IEG)

45 They're all looking up the proper knots to use when tying themselves to the railings of a sinking ship.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - SOTU: The Movie now available at The Outrage Outlet! at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (hLRSq)

46 Were the Irish ever indentured servants? Because if they were I think we made a big mistake letting them out of it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (4ErVI)

47 '...for there is no Joy in Mudville.

BitterClinger has Struck Out.'

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (/wAOm)

48 It's okay. The indentured servants were kept warm and made comfortable while their owners discussed the next steps.

Posted by: mikeyG at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (LL1Be)

49 So, after a funeral over the weekend, we asked husband's DC cousin about his good friend Ed Gillespie.

Interesting conversation. Heh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (ptqGC)

50 And of course, Oprah Remora Gayle King came out and said "He's not a racist, nothing should happen to him".

Posted by: Hikaru at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (UnA8+)

51 41 There's nothing to cling to in the Barrel...but, there is a plethora of Bitterness.
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (/wAOm)

... where even if you do learn to code, it will never compile properly.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (AURKQ)

52 Well- if you are going to go through the history of indentured servitude, you may want to include American sailors and the War of 1812.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (VpIIl)

53 Ugh. We had this fight yesterday.

Some people are very committed to the technicality that slavery was called indentured servitude for a generation.

Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)

54 42 I always thought indentured servitude was a pretty good for both parties: free transit to the new world, learn a trade, work for an agreed to, specific period of time, the be free, butterfly!!
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (ty7RM)

Yeah. It wasn't a bad gig, if you hooked up with the right boss.

Basically you took a big up front paycheck in the form of your passage to the new world, and then spent the next 5- or 7- years paying it back.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (GBteo)

55 The mighty Bitter Clinger has struck out.

Posted by: The Barrel at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (DMUuz)

56
Northam's advisor: I've got it, sir! I know how we can get you out of this mess. Take this pistol, take dead aim, and shoot yourself right in the foot!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (gC2IV)

57 I liked his statement right after minimizing slaves to indentured servants. Then he said it was "for good or bad."

A Republican would have been out of office by now for even daring to say slavery may have had positive affects.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (dabd+)

58 >>Were the Irish ever indentured servants?


The word you are looking for is 'inebriated'.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (/wAOm)

59 At least he's not a Jew.

Posted by: Rep. Omar at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (NWiLs)

60 There's nothing to cling to in the Barrel...but, there is a plethora of Bitterness.


Whatever you do, don't touch those shelves.

Posted by: clutch cargo at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (sLicW)

61 Impeaching Northam doesn't have the support of dems or repubs in Virginia. Let that sink in a minute.
Posted by: JuJuBee at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (L31Sa)


Impeach Northam for what? The picture? Having a bad press conference? Having a political opinion that is congruent with his party?

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (9VeU0)

62 This is why I keep saying that there's one set of rules for them and another for us: you and I would have lost our jobs by now.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (RD7QR)

63 Some people are very committed to the technicality that slavery was called indentured servitude for a generation.

Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)

Oh. I was impressed with myself for remembering a little nugget of american history there, but I didn't realize that this had all been hashed out.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (GBteo)

64 I think Ralphie is worth more to our cause as a wounded, and a very, very dumb animal.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (ty7RM)

65 Actually, the first actual Slave in the US came here as an indentured servant.

His 'owner', a Black Man, sued to keep him a slave.

Think about how different US History could have been if THAT court decision had gone the other way?

Posted by: Don Q. at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (NgKpN)

66 58 >>Were the Irish ever indentured servants?


The word you are looking for is 'inebriated'.
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (/wAOm)

inebriated swervants

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (AURKQ)

67 Indentured servitude still exists, particularly in nail salons. And also in sex stuff, of which I know nothing.

Posted by: LASue at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (XROPS)

68 I believe Pelosi has lost control of the HOR freak show.

I also predict there will be nothing coming from the Dems that Trump can sign and the news will shift from VA to this Budget Circus. He should Judge Shop first, get a Judge on board with the necessary documentation to declare it legal to bypass the Hawaiian judge, then start building the wall via the DoD.

Then watch the Dems squeal like a pig. I mean a pig that does not introduce animal greenhouse gases into the atmosphere to be ecologically cognizant.

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (qM84C)

69 It's racists and rapists all the way down in Virginia, which is for lovers.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:04 PM (ptqGC)

70 This was debated here last night (and at Insty's) and it looks like the Governor (accidentally??) was correct although for a small group of people and for a relatively short period of time. Still, the Left is going after the Coonman for it too so it's fine with me.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 11, 2019 01:04 PM (Evws/)

71 In before Bandersnatch gets a chance to Signal his Virtue?

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:04 PM (/wAOm)

72 Democrats: Slavery is bad.


Also Democrats: The government taking all your income, forcing you to work in the field of the government's choosing, and deciding what you can and cannot do is good.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2019 01:04 PM (cRkMZ)

73 How do such ignorant people get elected?

Posted by: Diogenes at February 11, 2019 01:04 PM (0tfLf)

74 67 Indentured servitude still exists, particularly in nail salons. And also in sex stuff, of which I know nothing.
Posted by: LASue at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (XROPS)

Well, it's no longer enforceable in contract law in the english or american law systems.

So no court is going to order someone to fulfill a contract requiring that they work for someone for free for 7 years.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:04 PM (GBteo)

75 I liked his statement right after minimizing slaves to indentured servants. Then he said it was "for good or bad."

Again, to be fair to a guy who doesn't deserve it, he said that the 400 year history of Africans in Virginia - for good or bad.

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (9VeU0)

76 Northam should learn to code.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (L3YlV)

77 Indentured servants, learn to code.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (RpM6k)

78 *Kicks self*

Posted by: Al Franken at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (laDa2)

79 31 Impeaching Northam doesn't have the support of dems or repubs in Virginia. Let that sink in a minute.
Posted by: JuJuBee at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (L31Sa)
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This here Independent doesn't support it either.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (Rxduq)

80 46
Were the Irish ever indentured servants? Because if they were I think we made a big mistake letting them out of it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (4ErVI)
Yes. Anyone who thinks the levees around New Orleans were built by slaves is a moron. Too expensive. They let the Irish do it because there were always plenty getting off the boat.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (37IEG)

81 64 I think Ralphie is worth more to our cause as a wounded, and a very, very dumb animal.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM (ty7RM)

Sadly, no.

The more they get away with, the more their shit behavior becomes the New Accepted Normal.

Posted by: Hikaru at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (UnA8+)

82 Gotta hand it to Northam, though--in the finest traditions of minstrel-shows, geechee-dance, plantation cakewalks, and ballin-the-jack, at least he has the moonwalk in his repertoire.

Herring just strikes one as a fraternity meathead with some shoe-polish and no moves.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (Bdeb0)

83 If I remember a little bit from history wasn't the Dem Party the KKK leadership in the 1800's ??

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (qM84C)

84 New from The Bulwark:

A Conservative defense of racists, rapists, and slavery.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (KUaJL)

85 Oh FFS...

Posted by: Former Florida Secretary of State Mike Ertel at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (LL1Be)

86 Then watch the Dems squeal like a pig. I mean a pig that does not introduce animal greenhouse gases into the atmosphere to be ecologically cognizant.
Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:03 PM


It has been determined that a human is equivalent to 0.02 CFUs (Cow Fart Units).

Research will need to be conducted to determine how many CFUs a pig produces.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (DMUuz)

87 Gov Coonman is always right!


Next up, keeping my Lt Gov warm and comforted before we lynch him!



Posted by: Gov Coonman at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (cRkMZ)

88 It appears that he was referring to the initial blacks shipped to the US by Portuguese who were apparently indentured servants. But I dunno and I don't really care, he loves baby murder.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (39g3+)

89 Polling...Be beat the s*** out of issues with commissions and polling here in Richmond.

Posted by: FrodoB at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (NjZfF)

90 Impeaching Northam doesn't have the support of dems or repubs in Virginia. Let that sink in a minute.
Posted by: JuJuBee at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (L31Sa)

-------------------------

By VA law, he can only be impeached for acts committed while in office. Being an infanticide promoting asshole is not impeachable, nor is a 35 year old black face pic.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (ffYR/)

91 Gotta hand it to the Dems. They don't throw in the towel.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (ptqGC)

92 Bill Nye, the Science Guy, has ended the abortion debate.

Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:

"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."

-
That's science!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)

93 The English didn't have chattel slavery at the time. Chattel slavery came about in the 1600s.

The first black slavers in English North America became indentured servants and some ended up owning slaves themselves.

Going from being a chattel slave of the Spanish to an indentured servant of the English was a big improvement. However, indentured servitude was a form of slavery.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (Q2pWM)

94 50
And of course, Oprah Remora Gayle King came out and said "He's not a racist, nothing should happen to him".

Posted by: Hikaru at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (UnA8+)


LOL. Yup. What party does he play for Gayle? Oh yeah, your team. How'd that taste, Covering for a racist? Next up a credibly accused alleged rapist. Have at it Gayle.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 11, 2019 01:07 PM (ymnmz)

95 how many CFUs a pig produces.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (DMUuz)

1 centiMoore.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:07 PM (AURKQ)

96 Well, it's no longer enforceable in contract law in the english or american law systems.

So no court is going to order someone to fulfill a contract requiring that they work for someone for free for 7 years.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:04 PM (GBteo)

Except of course for the US Military.

Posted by: Don Q. at February 11, 2019 01:07 PM (NgKpN)

97 73
How do such ignorant people get elected?



Posted by: Diogenes at February 11, 2019 01:04 PM (0tfLf)
Run for office as a Democrat.
Learn to skateboard if you have another dumbass Democrat running against you.
Marry a guy who becomes President, because living in the White House apparently now qualifies for you to be a Presidential candidate.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:07 PM (37IEG)

98 They are boxing themselves in. Keep it up, dems.

Longterm, we are better off with the dems are all their subjects (PP, NOW, and all pussy hat wearers everywhere) tacitly endorsing Gov. and AG Bigoty- Murderer and Lt. Gov. Rapey.

Posted by: LASue at February 11, 2019 01:07 PM (XROPS)

99 Give our regards to the monkey, Bitter Clinger.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 11, 2019 01:07 PM (p+Wdc)

100 83 If I remember a little bit from history wasn't the Dem Party the KKK leadership in the 1800's ??
Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (qM84C)

Related: I know the big lib line about this is that somewhere along the way the parties magically 'flipped' and suddenly the current R's were the KKK back then. (Robert Byrd notwithstanding, I guess.)

Is there ever any evidence presented for this? And is there any good articles/videos out there showing that in fact there never was a flip?

Just curious.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 11, 2019 01:07 PM (yTfbH)

101 92
Bill Nye, the Science Guy, has ended the abortion debate.



Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:



"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."



-

That's science!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)


Here, let me explain why science supports my politics....SHUT UP!

Posted by: Bill Nye at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (ymnmz)

102 Ooh

Feel the rhythm with your hands

(Steal the rhythm while you can)
Coonman

Speak the rhythm on your own

(Speak the rhythm all alone)
CoonmanCoonman, come together with your hands

Save me, I'm together with your plan

Save me, yeah

Save, ohAll my friends are Indians

(All my friends are um...something and red)
Coonman

Posted by: Gov Coonman at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (cRkMZ)

103 Wagons circled...

Posted by: Boswell at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (32YRo)

104 83 If I remember a little bit from history wasn't the Dem Party the KKK leadership in the 1800's ??
Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (qM84C)

The first iteration of the KKK, immediately after the civil war, was a fraternal order of southerners who were butthurt that the south lost the war.

They wanted to keep the south southern, and keep the republicans, carpet baggers, and reconstructionists out.

And yes, their membership was approaching 100% democrat.

The more modern KKK, that we're all more familiar with, came around much later.

Still lots of Democrats, but not exclusively.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (GBteo)

105 Babies are not people at one moment and then they are at the next.

People are not slaves at one moment than then they are at the next.

Detect a pattern?

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (Tnijr)

106 Talk to Pelosi about indentured servitude, she obviously has problems with hers acting up. #@$% Poligrip.

Posted by: clutch cargo at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (sLicW)

107 Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (Bdeb0)


Good afternoon, Zod. I hear that you made your home among mortals the other night at the MoMe . I hope that you had a good time!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (AllCR)

108 You can't tell me Northam's ancestors didn't own indentured servants.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (P1AAi)

109 Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:

"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."

-
That's science!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM

The guy is an actor. OK Bill. Scientists find a mold spore on Mars and it's a sign of life. But a 9 month old unborn child isn't Fuck off.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (L3YlV)

110 -
That's science!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)

Yeah, Bill. Because your vast knowledge gleaned from a fucking MS in mech E far outweighs what anyone else knows about zygote development.

Go open a planetarium and find some bitches to grope, you fucktard.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (AURKQ)

111 Oprah came to GA to support Tank Abrams, and immediately brought up lynchings.

Hey, Orca. Remind us what party was doing the lynchings?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (ptqGC)

112 Um.



Gregg Roman
@greggroman

@IlhanMN
#AntiSemitism story - except this time it's not just on her #Twitter feed. She due to speak this month at an
@IslamicRelief
event alongside a senior #Islamist who has published social media posts praising the killing of #Jews

Posted by: Ha at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (MAstk)

113 "Except of course for the US Military."

Last I checked, everyone on active duty gets a pay check.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (cqNba)

114 Impeaching Northam doesn't have the support of dems or repubs in Virginia. Let that sink in a minute.
Posted by: JuJuBee at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (L31Sa)

There's nothing to impeach Northam for, wearing blackface isn't a crime.

Posted by: Surfperch at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (QSdIk)

115 Would some republican Virginian please hand Coonman Northam a bigger shovel.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (pw+jk)

116 I always thought indentured servitude was a pretty good for both parties: free transit to the new world, learn a trade, work for an agreed to, specific period of time, the be free, butterfly!!

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (ty7RM)

Well, if both parties to the deal were of good moral character, that might be true. But you had "employers" who were basically leasing slaves for scut work, and treated them very poorly, with no legal recourse for their victims, and you also had criminals who chose to become indentured servants to avoid going to jail, and who continued their criminal ways upon arrival.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (nPGq2)

117 "It's just weird that Northam, who is already in hot water about racial matters, is euphemizing forcible slavery by capture."
yes, that does encapsulate what the baby killer is doing. Same with "make the baby comfortable" to show his concern for the baby they are deciding to murder. Nice guy.


About the time the slaves were being freed via our civil war, my great grandparents were escaping the German military meat grinder and Germany's devastating poverty. (some escaped). But that indeed is different that being captured (by other blacks btw) and shipped across an ocean in chains, to be an "owned" slave.

(owned in quotes only because I would say no man is really owned by another, but certainly many are held captive under duress)

Posted by: illiniwek at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (Cus5s)

118 Go open a planetarium and find some bitches to grope, you fucktard.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (AURKQ)

That's MY turf, bitch!

Posted by: Neil DeGrasse Tyson at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (NWiLs)

119 >>Good afternoon, Zod. I hear that you made your home among mortals the other night at the MoMe . I hope that you had a good time! Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:08 PM (AllCR)

It is a lie. A mild-mannered, affable imposter was sent in my stead.

Resume your toil.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:10 PM (Bdeb0)

120 How do such ignorant people get elected?



Posted by: Diogenes at February 11, 2019 01:04 PM


Have you seen their constituents?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 11, 2019 01:10 PM (p+Wdc)

121 I wonder if the US House Dems still plan to try and impeach Kavanaugh, as they have previously announced?

I for one can't hardly wait to watch Liddle Adam Schitt and Mad Maxine wag their fingers some more.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 11, 2019 01:10 PM (Z4rgH)

122
Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery. Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)


Although the slaves that came here had it far better off than the slaves that went to Brazil.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at February 11, 2019 01:10 PM (TAmPV)

123 Here, let me explain why science supports my politics....SHUT UP!

That's pretty much how the left argues everything now. This is how it is, because shut up nazi!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:10 PM (39g3+)

124 Say what you want, slavery gets shit done.

Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (w+V5+)

125 16 Even if he's technically correct, he's an idiot for saying it, given his situation.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 11, 2019 12:58 PM (gC2IV)

What's his situation? Quite frankly, I'm tired of Republicans getting taken out over the slightest perceived racial infraction. I'm no fan of Trent Lott, but what happened to him was a joke.

The VA doctor is an infanticidal pediatrician; blackface is not a crime. Now, instead of talking about the psychotic abortion policies being proposed by mainline Democrat elected officials, we're talking about indentured servants and confederate statues.

Slick move.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (zUD19)

126 92
Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:

"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)
-------------------------------
Well, that really SHOULD end the abortion debate.
If it isn't alive, you don't have to kill it!

Science!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (Rxduq)

127 If I remember a little bit from history wasn't the Dem Party the KKK leadership in the 1800's ??
Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:05 PM (qM84C)


Yessuh. But why use the past tense?

Posted by: Robert Byrd, Grand Keagle and Hillary Buddy at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (XROPS)

128 Posted by: Ha at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (MAstk)

Nah bro, she's just against lobbying.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (SkuXa)

129 How do such ignorant people get elected?
***

If you are a Republican, and the FNM cares they will quiz you like Alex Trebeck after a root canal. And if you don't know the capital of Uzbekistan well, you are just an idiot!

OTOH, if you are a Dem or a useful Republican you get questions like "What do you find enchanting about yourself?" or "Why is Orange Man so bad?"

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (cRkMZ)

130 The reason most plantation owner preferred slaves over indentured servants was the absence of having to pay for dentists.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (2DOZq)

131 does anyone want to go and make snow angels with me?

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (d7Ww2)

132 Abrams is not a fat slob !! She is a woman (Use the term loosely) that is "gravitationally challenged" !! Don't you forget that MISTER !!!!

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (qM84C)

133 #YouCan'tLoveScienceLikeIDo

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (AURKQ)

134 I hope one of these jerkbags decides to dive into the "well, they were enslaved by other Africans first" rabbit hole, because, yeah, true, and the whole, ah, sourcing thing is kinda complicated until the slave populations were more self-sustaining, but ohmygosh there are awful ways to phrase/convey/evaluate, and I think these guys are gonna charge headlong into some more minefields.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (84QUd)

135 But I'm pretty sure your children weren't part of the permanent indentured servant class.

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AFAIK (and I could be wrong), there was never permanent indenture in the US. I think the typical indenture period was seven years, if memory serves.

I suppose their may have been unscrupulous sponsors who used debt-slavery to extend that forever, as is done commonly by Arabs to Turks and Asians today.

I'm not sure about that angle, but I have a difficult time believing that would be a common practice here, even then.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (AzW6q)

136 Is there ever any evidence presented for this? And is there any good articles/videos out there showing that in fact there never was a flip?

Just curious.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 11, 2019 01:07 PM (yTfbH)

Yeah, it's a vexing one.

I've tried to have people explain to me when and how this switch happened. Like narrow it down to a decade.

I think it really is just revisionist history to explain the LBJ political kungfu of moving the D party from vehemently opposed to Civil Rights laws to supporting the CRA of 1964 (because that invented the idea of "public accommodation" in law, which was a YUGE move to the left for the country. Private businesses were now 'public accommodations,' not private businesses.)

You can find clips online of Goldwater railing against that provision of the CRA of 1964. Which is why he and the more libertarian branch of the GOP voted against it, despite having supported other civil rights acts.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (GBteo)

137 Pelosi's teeth are indentured servants.

Posted by: wth at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (v0R5T)

138 126 92
Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:

"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)
-------------------------------
Well, that really SHOULD end the abortion debate.
If it isn't alive, you don't have to kill it!

Science!!!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille


Bill Nye should carry his malignant tumor to full-term.

Posted by: zombie at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (c+2jX)

139 The technicalities of the terminology are nice to know for a History Trivia contest, but politics runs on emotion more than reason. So the governor is an idiot and doesn't realize it still.


("I'm slaughtering them with facts and reason!" is a way of staying you are still losing the political argument.)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - SOTU: The Movie now available at The Outrage Outlet! at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (hLRSq)

140 "What Virginia needs a doctor." - Gov. Coonman

Yeah, Dr. Kevorkian.

Posted by: Hikaru at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (UnA8+)

141 Fairfax's legal problems are not yet complicated enough. A smear-campaign needs to be ginned up by an assertive, muscular gay plant who claims to have roughly topped Justin in a District hotel room.

"I am not ashamed to admit that I Jussied him at the 2004 Democratic Convention. He is mine."

Confusion ensues.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)

142 And of course, Oprah Remora Gayle King came out and said "He's not a racist, nothing should happen to him".

-
Every cracker in the country is a racist except Coonman.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (+y/Ru)

143 Actually, the first actual Slave in the US came here as an indentured servant.

His 'owner', a Black Man, sued to keep him a slave.

Think about how different US History could have been if THAT court decision had gone the other way?


In my reading of the history, it is more complicated than that, and that was one of a series of court decision that created chattel slavery here.

One discrete event didn't create chattel slavery. Both sides of the debate like to argue otherwise, the right likes to argue it was created by a black slave owner, the left argues it was created by other cases. But really it seems more accurate to say a series of cases were responsible for creating it, no doubt with a change of attitude (increased racism) over time.

The real issue is the ethnic diversity involved. It is toxic when people with very different appearances and behavior interact in a way where one group has power over another. If the imported Africans looked and acted like Englishmen chattel slavery would never have occurred.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (Q2pWM)

144 Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery. Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)


Well, the left loves to say that the US is Teh Worst Conntry Evar because of slavery, and implies that our wealth is mostly because of them.

This fact neatly addresses both those stupid claims.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (KUaJL)

145 Babies are not people at one moment and then they are at the next.

***

Personhood is a social construction

Posted by: Dred Scott at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (w+V5+)

146 Were the Irish ever indentured servants? Because if they were I think we made a big mistake letting them out of it.
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Only the ones who could write poetry were released from their servitude -- that's where limericks originated!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (Evws/)

147 Resume your toil.
Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:10 PM (Bdeb0)

That's what I hear-That you were smiling and affable. Left the thunderbolts at home, huh?

I'm not actually toiling at the moment. It's a day off, but if you can figure out some way I can get paid to post here, I'd appreciate it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (AllCR)

148 AFAIK (and I could be wrong), there was never permanent indenture in the US. I think the typical indenture period was seven years, if memory serves.

I suppose their may have been unscrupulous sponsors who used debt-slavery to extend that forever, as is done commonly by Arabs to Turks and Asians today.

I'm not sure about that angle, but I have a difficult time believing that would be a common practice here, even then.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (AzW6q)

Yeah, 7 years was the typical term, and it was essentially a basic labor contract where you got 7 years of pay up front (the passage to the new world and accommodations for 7 years).

It disappeared from english and american legal systems, because you can see how it could be abused.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (GBteo)

149 126
92

Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:



"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."



Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)

-------------------------------

Well, that really SHOULD end the abortion debate.

If it isn't alive, you don't have to kill it!



Science!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (Rxduq)


Bill Nye.. I dare you to watch the TV show about those quintuplet girls born down in TX at seven months of gestation, Then tell me the are not alive......to my face.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (ymnmz)

150 Slavery = Indentured servitude

Abortion = Miscarriage

Posted by: Ralph Northam the Gov at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (h5Lyp)

151 Hi Zod,

it is good to see you this morning. Last week you were a little morose. I hope things are looking up.

*hugs

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (d7Ww2)

152 Speaking of servitude...can we sue the Europeans for feudalism yet?

Or the Arabic world for "white" slavery?

Interesting question of the day....

The Arabic world took more slaves from Africa then the Europeans did. Yet the Western countries that European slaves got sent to all have large black populations and the Arabic world does not. Why is that exactly?

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2019 01:14 PM (cRkMZ)

153 I always thought indentured servitude was a pretty good for both parties: free transit to the new world, learn a trade, work for an agreed to, specific period of time, the be free, butterfly!!
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


I'm going out on a limb, but I have to believe the overwhelming majority of servants were put to work as domestics or heavy labor, not trade apprentices.

Think about: would you, sight unseen, contract for Joe McBlow to be your intern for 7 years? Or the kid from the family you know from church?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 11, 2019 01:14 PM (whUgy)

154 122
Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery. Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)

You mean world wide slavery?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:14 PM (2DOZq)

155 AFAIK (and I could be wrong), there was never permanent indenture in the US. I think the typical indenture period was seven years, if memory serves.

My understanding was that indentured servitude was at least in theory more like an apprenticeship, i.e. learning some skills, and not, like, manual labor 15 hours a day or whatever.

I'm sure it was abused, but IIRC that was the idea.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 11, 2019 01:14 PM (84QUd)

156 Ugh. We had this fight yesterday.

Some people are very committed to the technicality that slavery was called indentured servitude for a generation.

Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)

The takeaway is this: chattel slavery was never unique to America. The British colonies in America came late to that party, and left it in the 1860's.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2019 01:14 PM (nPGq2)

157
That's MY turf, bitch!

Posted by: Neil DeGrasse Tyson at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (NWiLs)


I think you meant "That's my bitch, turf."

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 11, 2019 01:14 PM (Z4rgH)

158 Everybody knows life does not begin at "Conception" . It begins when the government says so. Why are you so stupid !!!!

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:14 PM (qM84C)

159 "It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."
=========================
Bill Nye. The f**ker is a mechanical engineer: He runs ducts and piping. So, an AutoCAD drafter. Science my ass.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (ty7RM)

160 >>It if you can figure out some way I can get paid to post here, I'd appreciate it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (AllCR)

Zod will pay you per post for posting comments that demonstrate a shockingly uncharacteristic 'moral flexibility.'

Short of that, resume your knitting.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (Bdeb0)

161 Deliberate conflation or historical stupidity? I'm going with the former.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (I2dne)

162 How do you explain the concept of indentured servitude to someone who doesn't read or write?

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (w7KSn)

163 you may want to include American sailors and the War of 1812.
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You mean deserters from His Majesty's Royal Navy??

Posted by: andycanuck at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (Evws/)

164 Margarita might have some VA-specific insights or speculation about political impact, but behold just how unrecognizably degraded the country has become.


A governor groveling like some mid-level party functionary in Cultural Revolution China, or the Great Terror USSR, speaking complete nonsense. After basically casually endorsing infanticide - on live radio.


Backlash? Political consequences? From above (leadership) or below? (yeah sure nat'l Dems went through the motions, but equally incredibly, can now easily drop their "resign" position and never be asked about it again, or suffer from that)


If a GOP (50% chance of being worthless, or even as damaging as a Dem, to start) candidate makes the slightest faux pas, they're gone by the next news cycle. If they're not Beltway types, it's a near certainty.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (QDnY+)

165 159 Bill Nye. The f**ker is a mechanical engineer: He runs ducts and piping. So, an AutoCAD drafter. Science my ass.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (ty7RM)


And he probably hasn't done THAT in so long that he's likely forgotten how.

Posted by: Hikaru at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (UnA8+)

166 Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery.

Its important to know this because it helps put things in perspective for ignorant young twits who think America was the home of slavery and the nadir of humanity for its unique slavery and being the worst place on earth for slavery.

So you know, its a bit of useful information for people to be aware of.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (39g3+)

167
Well, the left loves to say that the US is Teh
Worst Conntry Evar because of slavery, and implies that our wealth is
mostly because of them.



This fact neatly addresses both those stupid claims.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (KUaJL)
Without noting what hellish conditions slaves suffered in the Caribbean basin. The whole reason they wanted them was for the "immunity" to malaria so they could work them in the sugar cane fields that provided one of the legs for the slavery trade stool - slaves, sugar, rum.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (37IEG)

168 Well, when all you got is an MS in Mech E under your belt, "Nuh-uh!" actually does seem like valid propositional logic.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (AURKQ)

169 "But you had "employers" who were basically leasing slaves for scut work, and treated them very poorly, with no legal recourse for their victims,"

If the guides are correct, Fort Barrancas, located at NAS Pensacola was rebuilt using amongst other workers, slaves which were rented by the Government.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (cqNba)

170 115 Would some republican Virginian please hand Coonman Northam a bigger shovel.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM (pw+jk)

Naw, I only use white people tools...oh Bigger shovel. Never mind.

Posted by: Coonman Northam at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (NWiLs)

171 >>it is good to see you this morning. Last week you were a little morose. I hope things are looking up. *hugs Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (d7Ww2)

Zod Saturnine.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (Bdeb0)

172 Bill Nye. The f**ker is a mechanical engineer: He runs ducts and piping. So, an AutoCAD drafter. Science my ass.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (ty7RM)


Bill Nye is to science as Moochelle is to beauty and fashion.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (ptqGC)

173 I believe PragerU has a good youtube video on how the "racist switch" didn't happen. It was more the '90s when the post racist south became Republican. The old school racist Democrats mostly remained Democrats.

The South voted for Democrats in '76 and '92.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (Q2pWM)

174 >>Pelosi's teeth are indentured servants.


Indentured Serpent

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (/wAOm)

175 Because Gov. Coonman went to VMI, should we close VMI because it is racist ???

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (qM84C)

176 I'm going out on a limb, but I have to believe the overwhelming majority of servants were put to work as domestics or heavy labor, not trade apprentices.

Think about: would you, sight unseen, contract for Joe McBlow to be your intern for 7 years? Or the kid from the family you know from church?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 11, 2019 01:14 PM (whUgy)

I think most worked as farm labor.

So... kind of learning a trade, I guess.

But yeah, basically it was fairly shitty work. However, if you were poor, your options were to either do that or stay in Europe.

Lots of people thought being an indentured servant for 7 years was a better gig.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (GBteo)

177 It's just weird that Northam, who is already in hot water about racial matters, is euphemizing forcible slavery by capture.

Northam is being half assed, which will just get him hated by both sides, like Comey with the Clinton investigation.

If you're going to offer up line of bullshit, go all the way. It's the only way it'll work. Something like:

"These indentured servants were immigrants from Africa brought here by the Democrats in order to make us a more diverse society.

Much of the unique, rich fabric of American culture: our jazz musicians, athletes, actors and hip hop artists, is due to the Democratic initiative, existing from the founding of our nation, of opening up our borders to other nations such as Africa. An American tradition that the racist deplorables are trying to destroy."

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (/qEW2)

178 We can't impeach Justin cuz he is special. VA needs more special. The Arc of History commands it.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (2LelM)

179 Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery. Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)


Although the slaves that came here had it far better off than the slaves that went to Brazil.



People forget that Britain and their colonies, latin america and pretty much everywhere with agriculture had slavery at one time. One reason slavery died out in Britain sooner than in the US (both countries passed a ban on slave importation around the same year) is that British slaves literally died without procreating. (This is a fact, not an excuse for how horribly most were treated in the US.)

Posted by: LASue at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (XROPS)

180 >>The South voted for Democrats in '76 and '92.
Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (Q2pWM)

Voted for Rev. Jesse Jackson in the '88 open primary. You're welcome, Rev.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (Bdeb0)

181 Bill Nye is to science as Moochelle is to beauty and fashion.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (ptqGC)

you mean "A guy"?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (AURKQ)

182 163 you may want to include American sailors and the War of 1812.
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You mean deserters from His Majesty's Royal Navy??


oh god "impressment" is such a delightful term

like it's, "Hey, Americans, look how awesome it is to be part of the Royal Navy!" and not "GET IN THE HOLE!"

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (84QUd)

183 Slavery has existed for as far back as we can determine.


And it was a bunch of "right wing" Christians in the 1800s in Britain, France, and the US that ended it.


The latter point is...interesting. Amazing in fact.


The fact that the US, like almost every country on earth before it, had slavery is not.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2019 01:18 PM (cRkMZ)

184 165
159 Bill Nye. The f**ker is a mechanical engineer: He runs ducts and piping. So, an AutoCAD drafter. Science my ass.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (ty7RM)





And he probably hasn't done THAT in so long that he's likely forgotten how.

Posted by: Hikaru at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (UnA8+)


I think for the last decade he has done the college campus speaking circuit. I bet there are some coeds of various sex that Ja' Cuse our esteemed "Science Guy" .

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 11, 2019 01:18 PM (ymnmz)

185 About 5% of the slaves in the Atlantic slave trade came to what is now the US.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:18 PM (Q2pWM)

186 And don't forget - slave has a root word - and it isn't "Africa".

Slav - as in 'slavic'.

Because the Euro/Byzantines liked to travel to the east to get the next crop of permanently indentured servants for the empire.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:18 PM (37IEG)

187 >>174 >>Pelosi's teeth are indentured servants.

The cicada will be munched.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:18 PM (Bdeb0)

188 What am I? Chopped liver?

Posted by: George Wallace at February 11, 2019 01:18 PM (XROPS)

189 Think we could get more Democrats to jump over to the pro-life side if we swap the language "bring the baby to term" with "9 months of indentured servitude"?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 11, 2019 01:18 PM (KUaJL)

190 Northam mentions 1619. That was the year the first African, via Sugar Islands, black arrived in Jamestown. BTW, he arrived a free man.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:18 PM (2LelM)

191 Short of that, resume your knitting.
Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (Bdeb0)

We discussed this, Zod, old bean, I don't actually knit and I'm not very flexible. None of us are as flexible as we used to be unless they are actually 29 or are Zods, and hence ageless.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:19 PM (AllCR)

192 Bezos points his finger at the Saudis for exposing his affair but all other fingers are pointing at the GFs brother.

Why did the brother do it? Some say hes a Trumpster, but could he have been trying to blackmail Bezos?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2019 01:19 PM (27kTd)

193 135 But I'm pretty sure your children weren't part of the permanent indentured servant class.

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AFAIK (and I could be wrong), there was never permanent indenture in the US. I think the typical indenture period was seven years, if memory serves.

I suppose their may have been unscrupulous sponsors who used debt-slavery to extend that forever, as is done commonly by Arabs to Turks and Asians today.

I'm not sure about that angle, but I have a difficult time believing that would be a common practice here, even then.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice


In the Old World (e.g. Russia, Ireland, France, etc. etc. etc.) over half the population were "permanent indentures servants" -- i.e. serfs, or the many variations for "serf" in local languages. When an aristocrat died or sold his land, all his property -- INCLUDING the people who lived and worked on it -- passed in ownership to the next aristocrat. The serfs/peasants/vassals/etc. were deemed possessions, like cattle. And this status was inherited -- if your father was a serf, then you were a serf.

Actually, the USA was just about the first country where this system never happened. Here, indentured servitude was just a form of employment where you were advanced five years' worth of salary up front (in the form of a travel voucher), and then spent five years paying it off. Serfs in the old world could never pay it off.

Posted by: zombie at February 11, 2019 01:19 PM (c+2jX)

194 Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:07 PM (37IEG)

Nice

Posted by: ... at February 11, 2019 01:19 PM (Sh0NI)

195 Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM

Seems like y'all had a great time at the MoMee. I hope you ensured that an affable 'ette had my share of the booze.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 11, 2019 01:19 PM (p+Wdc)

196 Impeaching Northam doesn't have the support of dems or repubs in Virginia. Let that sink in a minute.
Posted by: JuJuBee at February 11, 2019 01:00 PM (L31Sa)

There's nothing to impeach Northam for, wearing blackface isn't a crime.
Posted by: Surfperch at February 11, 2019 01:09 PM

I meant Fairfax.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at February 11, 2019 01:19 PM (zmIJL)

197 Some people are very committed to the technicality that slavery was called indentured servitude for a generation.

Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)

First, I'm all for sticking it to the baby killer.

But, the posters pointing out the situation made clear there was a distinction for about a generation. And before you go on about the "they were captured and shipped here" argument, I'm sure there were a lot of white indentured servants who volunteered in the time honored tradition of getting a few drinks put in them. You may not want to admit the distinctions, but facts don't care about your inability to say you were wrong.

I mean, losing 40 to 50 years on the slavery claim just makes it seem all so much better. We can't have that. /s

Posted by: WOPR at February 11, 2019 01:19 PM (J70i0)

198 The South voted for Democrats in '76 and '92.
Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (Q2pWM)


In 1968, a lot of the South voted for Wallace (Texas went for Humphrey!). In 1972, the South, along with the rest of the country ceptin Mass and DC, voted for Nixon.

The "Southern Strategy" BS is just that.

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2019 01:20 PM (9VeU0)

199 The USA banned the importation of slaves before Great Britain did. Of course they also banned slavery at the same time whereas we allowed it to continue with the slaves already here and children born to them.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:20 PM (2DOZq)

200 And he probably hasn't done THAT in so long that he's likely forgotten how.

At the speed which CAD changes, and as old as he is, I doubt he ever even used a computer, it was probably all drawing boards and T-squares back then. Not that I'm mocking the progress, to me it takes far more skill. Just saying if you put him on a computer with CAD he'd be as baffled as granny trying to log onto facebook.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:20 PM (39g3+)

201 Bill Nye is to science as Moochelle is to beauty and fashion.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM


Run! The math portion of the test is next!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 11, 2019 01:20 PM (DMUuz)

202 BTW, he arrived a free man.

***

Then they took his money and slipped a chain on his neck.

Posted by: Dred Scott at February 11, 2019 01:20 PM (w+V5+)

203 Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (Bdeb0)

But really, you are o.k. aren't you?
Someone was concerned because you said, "It's been real" and then left, and it seemed that they thought you were suffering from depression.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:20 PM (AllCR)

204 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (Rxduq)

We prefer the word "terminate"

Posted by: National Socialist Democrat Ghouls at February 11, 2019 01:21 PM (Sh0NI)

205 Because Gov. Coonman went to VMI, should we close VMI because it is racist ???
Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (qM84C)


YES!

Posted by: Mark Herring, UVA grad at February 11, 2019 01:21 PM (XROPS)

206 Why did the brother do it? Some say hes a Trumpster, but could he have been trying to blackmail Bezos?
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2019 01:19 PM (27kTd)

Probably got paid bigly.

National Enquirer is known to pay for scoops.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:21 PM (GBteo)

207 46 Were the Irish ever indentured servants? Because if they were I think we made a big mistake letting them out of it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 11, 2019 01:01 PM (4ErVI)

There were Irish brought over as slaves to the New World when Cromwell was in charge

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2019 01:21 PM (7HtZB)

208 Because Gov. Coonman went to VMI, should we close VMI because it is racist ???
Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:17 PM (qM84C)


By that logic, we should just abolish the Democrat party.

I think you're on to something here.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 11, 2019 01:21 PM (KUaJL)

209 Yeah there is a significant distinction between indentured servitude and full on chattel slavery. Both are enslavement, but the former has a specific and known end date and is for payment of a debt rather than ownership. Honestly I'd rather we started up the practice again at least for some people.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:21 PM (39g3+)

210 1. Insert foot in mouth

2. Shoot self in foot.

Posted by: bobby ahr at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (zmZ2x)

211 Speaking of serfs - what happened to Loopey Cortez's (the Aztecs, scum that they were, will tell you how appropriate it is she has that surname) plan to turn us all into modern Serfs?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (37IEG)

212 My earliest American ancestor with my surname and his two brothers came here around 1750 as indentured servants from what is now France - Langensoultzbach in Bas-Rhine/Alsatia just across the river from Dortmund, (now) Germany where they were born. They settled in Pennsylvania and Maryland (near Pittsburgh) and eventually bought out their indentures. My brother (the middle one), John Dewatt Weimer (born Johan), became a Patriot who served as a Corporal sharpshooter in Captain Riley's company (part of Sterling's Division) of the 3rd Pennsylvania and wintered over twice ('77 and '7 at Valley Forge. It was noted that he did have adequate clothing both times. He ended up with farmland near Pittsburgh (Westmoreland county) as a war prize. He passed 24 Jan 1831. He was blind in his later years.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (tapYd)

213 >>But really, you are o.k. aren't you?
Someone was concerned because you said, "It's been real" and then left, and it seemed that they thought you were suffering from depression.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:20 PM (AllCR)

Zod does not suffer.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (Bdeb0)

214 Turns out White Democratium is pretty powerful in itself

Posted by: ... at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (Sh0NI)

215 You have to admit, Kill the Babies, Rape the Women and Put on that Happy Blackface, sure does have a certain campaign ring to it.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (IKjSy)

216 Slavery is a practice going back to pre-history, and it would be far easier to count the societies that DIDN'T have it than those that did.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (oVJmc)

217 The people that got the African slave going were the Spanish and Portuguese. Let's ban the migration of these slavers to the US.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (2LelM)

218 I'm going out on a limb, but I have to believe the overwhelming majority of servants were put to work as domestics or heavy labor, not trade apprentices.

Think about: would you, sight unseen, contract for Joe McBlow to be your intern for 7 years? Or the kid from the family you know from church?


Keep in mind, the first Africans brought here were taken by pirates from Spanish ships, and sold in Jamestown to make a quick profit. So the price was probably low and it wasn't like there was a regular market where you could pick and choose who you bought, except among those available.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (Q2pWM)

219 The term Democrat Party is a oxymoron. Probably more Moron the Oxy.

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (qM84C)

220 By that logic, we should just abolish the Democrat party.

I think you're on to something here.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 11, 2019 01:21 PM (KUaJL)
+++++++++++
The greatest con job ever pulled is the Dems convincing everyone that they aren't the racist and eugenics party. They are. They always have been, and they still are today. That they are not is one of the greatest lies ever told - and with great efficacy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 01:23 PM (I2dne)

221 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:23 PM (IXZGh)

222 167
Well, the left loves to say that the US is Teh
Worst Conntry Evar because of slavery, and implies that our wealth is
mostly because of them.



This fact neatly addresses both those stupid claims.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 11, 2019 01:13 PM (KUaJL)
Without noting what hellish conditions slaves suffered in the Caribbean basin. The whole reason they wanted them was for the "immunity" to malaria so they could work them in the sugar cane fields that provided one of the legs for the slavery trade stool - slaves, sugar, rum.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (37IEG)

I rate these statements as insufficiently woke, and therefore a racist apologia for slavery. Report to reeducation camp Romeo Three Niner immediately.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2019 01:23 PM (NWiLs)

223 215 You have to admit, Kill the Babies, Rape the Women and Put on that Happy Blackface, sure does have a certain campaign ring to it.
----------------------
I rate this as True.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:23 PM (2LelM)

224 Zod does not suffer.
Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (Bdeb0)
++++++++
Yet life is suffering. Therefore, Zod is not alive.

Posted by: Syllogistic Buddha at February 11, 2019 01:23 PM (I2dne)

225 215 You have to admit, Kill the Babies, Rape the Women and Put on that Happy Blackface, sure does have a certain campaign ring to it.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (IKjSy)

#TwoWeeks until Sinema comes out in favor of pillaging.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:23 PM (AURKQ)

226 Honestly I'd rather we started up the practice again at least for some people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:21 PM (39g3+)

::shrug::

There are certainly pros and cons to an honest implementation of indentured servitude. Many Americans would not be here (especially in the northeast, where the practice was most prevalent) if not for indentured servitude.

The problem is that it is so easily abused, and there is such a power imbalance that courts got really uncomfortable enforcing it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:23 PM (GBteo)

227 Honestly I'd rather we started up the practice again at least for some people.
***
Require colleges to let students work off their debt post graduation.


It would certainly force colleges to stop offering pointless majors to people that can't pay off the debt....

Posted by: 18-1 at February 11, 2019 01:23 PM (cRkMZ)

228 Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (Bdeb0)

Zod may not suffer, but I really didn't think you were God. Sorry to disappoint you.

And take care of yourself.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (AllCR)

229
In the Old World (e.g. Russia, Ireland, France, etc. etc. etc.) over half the population were "permanent indentures servants"

***

There is a dissertation waiting to be written about the domestication/evolutionary effects upon a population held within the manor system for a thousand years.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (w+V5+)

230 The USA banned the importation of slaves before Great Britain did. Of course they also banned slavery at the same time whereas we allowed it to continue with the slaves already here and children born to them.

Federally, but in several northern states, slavery was banned even before there was a USA.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (39g3+)

231 163 You mean deserters from His Majesty's Royal Navy??

Posted by: andycanuck at February 11, 2019 01:15 PM (Evws/)


Does that include the impressed* ones?

*another form of involuntary, albeit temporary, slavery

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (Z4rgH)

232 "I meant Fairfax."

Hasn't had a trial, nor been convicted of anything.

A non-trivial fact.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (cqNba)

233 It has been said that in the early North African slave markets the Chinese only purchased castrated indentured servants.

Posted by: Gov. Ralph Northam at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (v0R5T)

234 Questio: Of the Virginia Governor, Lt. Governor, Attorney General, the two Senate Members, and the State Senate And House Leaders, how many are actual Virginians, born in Virginia?
Answer: 1, the gov.


Posted by: Quint at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (n13/j)

235 Say what you want, slavery gets shit done.
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar

You said it!

Posted by: Whip Them With Scorpions Rehoboam at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (+y/Ru)

236 228 And I didn't think you were Zod either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (AllCR)

237 OK, so Derbyshire claimed on his podcast that Trump was singing the praises of *legal* immigration. I don't recall that....maybe I missed something?

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)

238 I truly envy the democrats in their ability and success in circling the wagons and covering up each others caca.

Posted by: Martell at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (QUQh3)

239 It's OK for Democrats to rape, since we're the party of Women.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (u0hpX)

240 There are two chickens in the yard. Pete and Repeat. Pete leaves, who is left ???

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (qM84C)

241 This is how you know Democrats are beyond saving.

They now rationalize rape, infant murder and racist actions to stay in power.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (pUDQf)

242 >>234 Questio: Of the Virginia Governor, Lt. Governor, Attorney General, the two Senate Members, and the State Senate And House Leaders, how many are actual Virginians, born in Virginia?

The Commonwealth seems recently to be a launch-pad for well-heeled carpetbaggers (McAuliffe, Warner, etc.)

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (Bdeb0)

243 Keep in mind, the first Africans brought here were taken by pirates from Spanish ships, and sold in Jamestown to make a quick profit. So the price was probably low and it wasn't like there was a regular market where you could pick and choose who you bought, except among those available.
-------------------
VA, MD, NC, SC, and GA starting importing slaves from the islands after the sugar gold rush cooled. It was this labor source that made Charleston the richest city in the Colonies.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (2LelM)

244 Every successful human pregnancy in history has produced at least one human person. Every one. So a 100% rate out of billions of tests.

Party of Science: That's not a human inside there and you're stupid if you think it is.

Sick fucks

Posted by: ... at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (Sh0NI)

245 Northam was trying to thread a needle. He went on TV to talk about how much he cares about black people while being interviewed by a black woman. I think where he was going was that we are coming up on the 400th anniversary of blacks in Virginia - 400 years of history, for god and for bad.

If he went up and said it is always and forever terrible for blacks in Virginia, that means, hey, let's leave this old white guy in charge of it? It doesn't pencil out.

Clearly it was a place he shouldn't have gone in a discussion meant for public broacast, but what the hell, he's a Democrat, the majority of black Virginians want him to stay the governor, and, what, the newsies are going to say anything worse than "it's been a hard week for you?"



Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (9VeU0)

246 237 OK, so Derbyshire claimed on his podcast that Trump was singing the praises of *legal* immigration. I don't recall that....maybe I missed something?
Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)

His stump always had a caveat or two about a "Big beautiful gate" in the middle of his Wall.

FWIW

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (AURKQ)

247 Huh?

Posted by: russian serf at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (Evws/)

248 Ooooh love my Rick and Morty hash!!!!

Posted by: ... at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (Sh0NI)

249 >>Party of Science: That's not a human inside there and you're stupid if you think it is.


Schroedinger's Womb

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (/wAOm)

250 I seem to remember someone famous saying "Women never lie about this" ???

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (qM84C)

251 237 OK, so Derbyshire claimed on his podcast that Trump was singing the praises of *legal* immigration. I don't recall that....maybe I missed something?

That message wasnt meant for you. The target are those who get their news from CNN and Yahoo news.

Posted by: Martell at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (QUQh3)

252 AFAIK (and I could be wrong), there was never permanent indenture in the US. I think the typical indenture period was seven years, if memory serves.

It could become permanent if the indentured servant tried to flee, etc. It would be decided by a court.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (Q2pWM)

253 The Military Academies are in a sense indentured servitude.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (2DOZq)

254 OK, so Derbyshire claimed on his podcast that Trump was singing the praises of *legal* immigration. I don't recall that....maybe I missed something?
Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)
+++++++++++
He did in the SOTU. Excerpt from https://tinyurl.com/yblnktl4 (link to the White House):

This is a moral issue. The lawless state of our southern border is a threat to the safety, security, and financial wellbeing of all America. We have a moral duty to create an immigration system that protects the lives and jobs of our citizens. This includes our obligation to the millions of immigrants living here today who followed the rules and respected our laws. Legal immigrants enrich our nation and strengthen our society in countless ways. (Applause.)

I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but they have to come in legally. (Applause.)

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (I2dne)

255 >>And take care of yourself. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (AllCR)

Others perform this function, pleb.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)

256 Meanwhile, Virginia Democrats will, get this, not pursue impeachment against twice-accused credibly alleged rapist Justin Fairfax


I can't believe nobody has done the "these are my principles, and if you don't like them, I have others" quote yet.

Posted by: pep at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (TpAxy)

257
Party of Science: That's not a human inside there and you're stupid if you think it is.

Sick fucks


Posted by: ... at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (Sh0NI)
That's right! It's uh, Schrodinger's puppy!

Posted by: Bill Nigh - stupid asshole at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (37IEG)

258 OK, so Derbyshire claimed on his podcast that Trump was singing the praises of *legal* immigration. I don't recall that....maybe I missed something?
Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)

---------------------------

He actually did, during the SOTU and on other occasions as well. He is all for immigrants that come in through the front door.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (ffYR/)

259 238
I truly envy the democrats in their ability and success in circling the wagons and covering up each others caca.

Posted by: Martell at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (QUQh3)


This. And the ability of the rank and file to make it go away in their head while projecting it onto all on the Reps at the same time.

I get flashes of Donald Sutherland in Bodysnatchers.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (ymnmz)

260 Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (pw+jk)

261 >234 Questio: Of the Virginia Governor, Lt.
Governor, Attorney General, the two Senate Members, and the State Senate
And House Leaders, how many are actual Virginians, born in Virginia?



The Commonwealth seems recently to be a launch-pad for well-heeled carpetbaggers (McAuliffe, Warner, etc.)

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (Bdeb0)

Yeah, it is. I might look at other leadership posts. Certainly this result did not surprise me, it is pretty consistent.

Posted by: Quint at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (n13/j)

262 I'm telling you, your average black voter in VA, especially the older ones, are not all that bothered by blackface on a kid at a party 35 years ago. They saw far worse happen in their time. And until they can prove the allegations, they sure aren't worried enough about Fairfax to remove a black man from a prominent position. And I suspect they'll give him a pass, even if the allegations can miraculously be proven.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (VLXcj)

263 >>I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but they have to come in legally. (Applause.) Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (I2dne)

Much thanks, though I'm sorry to see that he said it.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)

264 Even if the very first africans in virginia were proven to technically be indentured servants, if Trump had said what Northam did, he would be getting "5 pinocchios" from every "fact-checker" on the web right now.

Posted by: thery at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (gJAok)

265 Party of Science: That's not a human inside there and you're stupid if you think it is.

Sick fucks
Posted by: ... at February 11, 2019 01:25 PM (Sh0NI)

It's not a human until some enlightened Party Member declares it a human. Before then, it is Substantially and Essentially Non-Human.

Because magic -

uh, sorry, i mean... because Science!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (AURKQ)

266 Don't get me wrong: Indentured servitude was practically slavery. But
I'm pretty sure your children weren't part of the permanent indentured
servant class.

As I posted last week, indentured servants
were required to serve their indenture for 5 years in most cases, then
they were released. This was to cover the cost of their voyage to the
new world which in those days was very expensive and had to be paid in
gold up front.


Now their servitude was not a bed of roses, but it
wasn't much worse than the people they were working for. And they were
actually paid up front.

Posted by: Vic at February 11, 2019 01:28 PM (mpXpK)

267 140 "What Virginia needs a doctor." - Gov. Coonman

Yeah, Dr. Kevorkian.
Posted by: Hikaru at February 11, 2019 01:12 PM (UnA8+)
--------------------------------------------
The man is a sociopath.
How can he say that with a straight face?
The "gentle pediatrician" that ran for office has been exposed for the baby-dismembering monster he really is.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2019 01:28 PM (Rxduq)

268 The answer is Pelosi if Pete flies away.

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:28 PM (qM84C)

269 The problem is that it is so easily abused, and there is such a power imbalance that courts got really uncomfortable enforcing it.

Yeah it would take very strict oversight, but its still cheaper than prison, more beneficial to the prisoner, and overall better for society.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:28 PM (39g3+)

270 Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (pw+jk)
+++++++++++
Need you ask?

Posted by: Northern Virginia DC Orbiters and the Press at February 11, 2019 01:28 PM (I2dne)

271 He actually did, during the SOTU and on other occasions as well. He is all for immigrants that come in through the front door.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (ffYR/)


He's often said that the brightest and best of every country are welcome to apply to come here and help make AMERICA even more great.

Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:28 PM (IXZGh)

272 260 Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (pw+jk)

Because people fell for the ads the Dems ran of Gillespie running innocent little Latinos over with a giant black Monster Truck.

Posted by: Hikaru at February 11, 2019 01:28 PM (UnA8+)

273 Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2019 01:26 PM (9VeU0)

yeah. I have mixed feelings.

I get annoyed at these situations, where the politically expedient thing is deemed the proper thing to say, while the technically correct thing is deemed to be super problematic.

The first Africans to arrive in Virginia did not arrive as slaves. They arrived as indentured servants. Chattel slavery came later.

So if we're going to talk about "the history of blacks in Virginia," it's technically correct to say the first blacks in VA were indentured servants.

Now that being said, it does sound tone deaf the way he said it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:28 PM (GBteo)

274 He actually did, during the SOTU and on other occasions as well. He is all for immigrants that come in through the front door.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (ffYR/)

Who isn't?

Legal, self supporting, background checks, etc.

Posted by: LASue at February 11, 2019 01:28 PM (XROPS)

275
Others perform this function, pleb.
Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)

We, tell 'em to get on the ball, Zoddie, as Nurse ratched noticed that you seemed a little morose too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (AllCR)

276 Even if he's technically correct, he's an idiot for saying it, given his situation.

It is a poor argument for a politician to get into.

There are a lot of true statements that are only fit for certain circumstances.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (Q2pWM)

277 92 Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:
"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."


If cell division occurs, life has started. It's called "organic", Bill.

Put a small pebble and a fertilized embryo in a woman's womb and wait 9 months. Then tell me which one is alive and which one is inert.

Asshole.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (uDcBt)

278 >> The answer is Pelosi if Pete flies away.


...waits for a, '...and boy are my arms tired!' joke from masturbatin' pete.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (/wAOm)

279
Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?
___

We found a better idiot, right John?

Posted by: The GOPe at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (cRkMZ)

280
It's not a human until some enlightened Party
Member declares it a human. Before then, it is Substantially and
Essentially Non-Human.



Because magic -



uh, sorry, i mean... because Science!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (AURKQ)
Unless it crosses the border in a self propelled human transport delivery system.
Then it's an American Citizen as soon as it hits the air.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (37IEG)

281 Ace put up an update about Virginia's teachings on slavery

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (cqNba)

282 173 I believe PragerU has a good youtube video on how the "racist switch" didn't happen. It was more the '90s when the post racist south became Republican. The old school racist Democrats mostly remained Democrats.

The South voted for Democrats in '76 and '92.
Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:16 PM (Q2pWM)

First time I've seen the site, they seem to be pretty damn good.

Just watched the one about the history of the D's and R's, but can't find the one about the 'switch.'

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (yTfbH)

283 Northam needs some indentured servants to help him dig that hole a bit deeper.

Posted by: Roy at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (8RFw7)

284 from the article Vic posted : Antifa activist facing assault charges was tied to Democratic policymakers
https://tinyurl.com/y2gza3hv
Quote from lawyer for Antifa terrorists "Coard, an African American activist in Philadelphia, also told the magazine regarding the alleged slurs,"The question that I have for the D.A.'s office and the police is this: Does anybody think that I, Michael Coard, would represent a racist? ...I would never represent a racist. In fact, if I believed that he was a racist, I would prosecute him myself."
So you see, "racists" should all be prosecuted.

Posted by: mikeyG at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (LL1Be)

285 263 >>I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but they have to come in legally. (Applause.) Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (I2dne)

Much thanks, though I'm sorry to see that he said it.
Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)

He also promoted the myth that blacks are unfairly sentenced in our justice system. Those are the two negatives of an otherwise very good SOTU .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (2DOZq)

286 260 Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (pw+jk)

They said Gillespie was racist. That did the trick.

Posted by: Quint at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (n13/j)

287 Others perform this function, pleb.
Posted by: Zod


don't be glib to Fen, Zod.

it's not prudent

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (d7Ww2)

288 N/m, I think I found it.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (yTfbH)

289 So, after a funeral over the weekend, we asked husband's DC cousin about his good friend Ed Gillespie.

Interesting conversation. Heh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (ptqGC)


This might be unfair but Gillespie looks like what you'd get if you put Mutt Rombley in a bargain basement suit and a less good head of hair.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (1pz14)

290 Permanent indentures, a/k/a dental implants.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (NWiLs)

291 260 Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?
-------------------
Viddie the Pickup Truck with Confederate Flag chasing little brown Child run. That's how.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (2LelM)

292 Excuse me but what the fuck does the gov being a physician have to do with addressing racial issues?

Physician heal they self

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (bim/x)

293 Trump approval rating at 52% . I LOVE IT !!!!

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (qM84C)

294 237 OK, so Derbyshire claimed on his podcast that Trump was singing the praises of *legal* immigration. I don't recall that....maybe I missed something?
Posted by: Zod


Yeah, he said that -- "I'm all in favor of LEGAL immigrants coming to the US."

That's because he wants them all to look like Melania Knauss from Slovenia.

Posted by: zombie at February 11, 2019 01:31 PM (c+2jX)

295 OK, so Derbyshire claimed on his podcast that Trump was singing the praises of *legal* immigration. I don't recall that....maybe I missed something?
Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)


Yes, you missed the part where Trump sang the praises of *legal* immigration.

This is a moral issue. The lawless state of our southern border is a threat to the safety, security, and financial well-being of all Americans. We have a moral duty to create an immigration system that protects the lives and jobs of our citizens. This includes our obligation to the millions of immigrants living here today, who followed the rules and respected our laws. Legal immigrants enrich our Nation and strengthen our society in countless ways. I want people to come into our country, but they have to come in legally.

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2019 01:31 PM (9VeU0)

296 like it's, "Hey, Americans, look how awesome it is to be part of the Royal Navy!" and not "GET IN THE HOLE!"
-----
Three square meals a day* and FREE rum not good enough for you?!

*Look up the phrase's origin.

Posted by: russian serf at February 11, 2019 01:31 PM (Evws/)

297 The governor is "made comfortable" while Virginia and the political doctors discuss his third-trimester viability and the Commonwealth's options...

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:31 PM (Bdeb0)

298 221 FIRST!!!!!

How the hell did you get ahead of me?

Posted by: franksalterego at February 11, 2019 01:31 PM (3cq8T)

299 Viddie the Pickup Truck with Confederate Flag chasing little brown Child run. That's how.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (2LelM)
right - and Northam could win with a vid of a pickup truck with rainbow flag and pro-choice labeling hauling bins of 'protoplasm' parts

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:32 PM (37IEG)

300 With what Trump says, remember, he needs elbow room to make a deal. So far he hasn't Bushed us.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:32 PM (2LelM)

301 IIRC, a cargo ship docked in Virginny in 1619 with three 'Africans' ( some accounts say three 'negroes' ) listed in the cargo manifest along with Other Cargo--not as passengers


it's assumed that they were sold ( or their indentures were sold ) along with the Other Cargo, thus bringing slavery or slavery-in-the making to the American colonies.


no one I know of claims to know their names or what actually happened to the three persons


the term "White" does not appear in colonial documents until the late 1600's; before that, the various European nationalities were referred to as races: the Irish race, the English race, etc


thanks, and don't forget to tip your waitress

Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at February 11, 2019 01:32 PM (9HuGt)

302 Ugh. We had this fight yesterday.

Some people are very committed to the technicality that slavery was called indentured servitude for a generation.

Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American slavery.


Well, if you understand the context of the time, you realize that slavery was common in the world, and that English America was only one minor actor, not a driving force (at least in its origins).

Also, the Africans that became indentured servants in America at least initially had the rights of indentured servants. It wasn't just "called that".

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:32 PM (Q2pWM)

303 48 It's okay. The indentured servants were kept warm and made comfortable while their owners discussed the next steps.
_______________

If only. It's cold as shit in VA in the winter, and we froze our asses off, when we weren't being worked like the slaves we were!

Posted by: VA's indentured servants at February 11, 2019 01:32 PM (fqUgw)

304 You make a contract with an illiterate person and that contract is legally binding how?

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (w7KSn)

305 Keeping score, it is now apparently acceptable to force women to give you a BJ.



As long as you are black, and a Democrat, all is good.


On your knees, ladies!



Posted by: Virginia Democrats at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (sy5kK)

306 You could purchase your passage to America through indentured servitude. You worked for your master for ten years after you arrived.

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (r7nKK)

307 Zod, I believe there was a single sort of stand-alone line in the SOTU about having the greatest number of legal immigrants ever. And yes, that's a disaster (concept, not just rhetoric).


Barely concealed within the disaster of mass illegal migration (which is as disastrous as it's ever been, but don't look for "news" about that) is the completely different but also important problem of legal immigration. Floating within that area is the vexing issue of non-immigration admissions - especially H-1Bs, H-2Bs.


Open question (I'm betting against) whether the country even manages to deal with mass illegal migration. Given the national degradation, and ignorance, and racism (among the "minority" population and institutions), and the default race-baiting that has replaced rational discussion, I see zero basis for optimism about how legal immigration is handled.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (QDnY+)

308 If anyone has any solution for this goddamned horror show of formatting that insists that I am posting long FUCKING strings of characters when I am most decidedly NOT and complains about something as simple as a MOTHERFUCKING linebreak tag or inserts <DIV> all over the place <br?> I would be eternally grateful.

This is a fairly recent development.

DIAF Minx 0.7 Alpha.

Posted by: mikeyG at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (LL1Be)

309 Abortions should be allowed into the 4th Trimester. Thank You... A message from the Democrat Party of New York and Senator Shoemore.

Posted by: El Cid Flyboy at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (qM84C)

310 It is a poor argument for a politician to get into.

There are a lot of true statements that are only fit for certain circumstances.


I agree, and honestly it sounds like the kind of argument someone might make who sort of doesn't have that big a problem with the history of how blacks were treated in the south. Its a distinction that didn't need to be made and was without purpose in the discussion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:34 PM (39g3+)

311 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:24 PM (39g3+)

They didn't need them. No large-scale agricultural industry. They had plenty of 6 year old children and teenage girls to work in their sweatshops and factories for 15 hours at a time, 6 days a week.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 11, 2019 01:34 PM (VLXcj)

312 Fairfax targets women who have already been raped. Whattaguy.

Posted by: Durham Reflux at February 11, 2019 01:34 PM (uloIh)

313 292
Excuse me but what the fuck does the gov being a physician have to do with addressing racial issues?



Physician heal they self

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2019 01:30 PM (bim/x)

WTF does being a Supreme Court justice have to do with being a 'wise' Latin female?
WTF does being a First Lady have to do with being a President?
All Same same.
DEMOCRATS

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:34 PM (37IEG)

314
How the hell did you get ahead of me?
Posted by: franksalterego at February 11, 2019 01:31 PM (3cq8T)


Lets do the time warp again.....

Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:34 PM (IXZGh)

315 Gillespie could not have found all these blackface and mouth raping skeletons? I can only conclude that he was involved in Virginia Failure Theater,

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:34 PM (pw+jk)

316 Where all the white pregnant woman at?

Posted by: Gov Ralph Northam, Brave New World! at February 11, 2019 01:35 PM (vcOmj)

317 286 260 Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot? 

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (pw+jk) 

They said Gillespie was racist. That did the trick. 


Because, apparently, 51% of Virginians are more stupid than Gillespie.

Posted by: Martell at February 11, 2019 01:35 PM (QUQh3)

318
I, for one, eagerly await the forthcoming "Coonman's History of Indentured Servitude in the United States". The scholarship will be to die for!

And every illustration is guaranteed to have either one person in blackface or a Klan robe and hood. 'Cause that's how the Coonman rolls!

Posted by: Coonman, take us away! at February 11, 2019 01:35 PM (pNxlR)

319 If anyone has any solution for this goddamned horror show of formatting
that insists that I am posting long FUCKING strings of characters when I
am most decidedly NOT and complains about something as simple as a
MOTHERFUCKING linebreak tag or inserts <DIV> all over the place
<br?> I would be eternally grateful.


Enter some blank spaces between the various formatting tags. That usually works.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 11, 2019 01:35 PM (oVJmc)

320
...
Barely concealed within the disaster of mass illegal migration (which is as disastrous as it's ever been, but don't look for "news" about that) is the completely different but also important problem of legal immigration. Floating within that area is the vexing issue of non-immigration admissions - especially H-1Bs, H-2Bs.
...

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (QDnY+)
+++++++++++
Yeah, there is a gigantic difference between actual immigration and visa holders. The H-1B abuses are breathtaking and, on the topic of this thread, amount to a modern form of indentured servitude in many cases. The visa problem is probably bigger than the legal immigration problem. If you immigrate legally, you're expected to become an American and the citizenship test isn't a joke. Visa holders, not so much.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 01:35 PM (I2dne)

321 Yeah, he said that -- "I'm all in favor of LEGAL immigrants coming to the US."

That's because he wants them all to look like Melania Knauss from Slovenia.
________________

Who doesn't want that?

Posted by: American men everywhere at February 11, 2019 01:35 PM (fqUgw)

322 Also, the Africans that became indentured servants in America at least initially had the rights of indentured servants. It wasn't just "called that".
Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:32 PM (Q2pWM)

Right. It was a legal concept in contract law that followed normal contract law rules, and it conferred a legal status on you.

Very different than chattel slavery, which said "no, you're not a person, you're property" to the slaves.

Indentured servitude was a contract between two people, and the courts treated it as such.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:35 PM (GBteo)

323 Its a distinction that didn't need to be made and was without purpose in the discussion.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:34 PM (39g3+)

It's the argumentation of a small child, breathlessly grasping at literally anything within reach to prove that they are "Not Wrong".

Well, fine. You're not wrong, Ralph. You're just an asshole.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:35 PM (AURKQ)

324 Every February we get more victimology history rather than celebratory history. It gets really really old .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:36 PM (2DOZq)

325 >>I see zero basis for optimism about how legal immigration is handled. Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (QDnY+)

Concur. I look around, asking myself the question "hmm, are there functions here that are going unperformed due to a lack of native talent/labor?" The answer is a quick, unambiguous No.

We have enough people. Let Europe continue its open-house policy.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:36 PM (Bdeb0)

326 Thank you Mr. Peebles and I apologize for my outburst.

Posted by: mikeyG at February 11, 2019 01:36 PM (LL1Be)

327
Excuse me but what the fuck does the gov being a physician have to do with addressing racial issues?


Expect shears applied to the back of your neck, that's "what the fuck"

Posted by: "Shearer" is an apt middle name for Coonman at February 11, 2019 01:36 PM (pNxlR)

328 This is a fairly recent development.

DIAF Minx 0.7 Alpha.
Posted by: mikeyG at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (LL1Be)

------------------------

Think of it as Pixy keeping Ace from banning you. He has made it clear that he is tired of people blowing the margins.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (ffYR/)

329 Legal immigration is at least regulated, and the citizen can be represented in that process.

Illegal immigration is just anarchy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (oVJmc)

330 300 With what Trump says, remember, he needs elbow room to make a deal. So far he hasn't Bushed us.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:32 PM (2LelM)

Trump is hardwood all the way!

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (7HtZB)

331 281 Ace put up an update about Virginia's teachings on slavery
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (cqNba)


It isn't just "Virgnia's educational standdards."

PBS

http://preview.alturl.com/nvcut

National Park Service:

http://preview.alturl.com/8zebr

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (9VeU0)

332 215
You have to admit, Kill the Babies, Rape the Women and Put on that Happy
Blackface, sure does have a certain campaign ring to it.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:22 PM (IKjSy)

If I were still alive, I would vote for this party!

Posted by: Ted Bundy at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (sy5kK)

333 It feels like today's energy is low. Nothing really happening. That, or it's because I didn't sleep but for two hours.

I must be doing something wrong.

Posted by: Delaforce the Sleepy Mechanic. Don't Tell FAA. at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (HqMif)

334
Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?


Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (pw+jk)


We asked a very good friend of his that very question over the weekend.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (ptqGC)

335 Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (QDnY+)

By the Governments own numbers, we currently have the largest percentage of Foreign Born in America ever.

And they grossly underestimate the number of illegals here.

Posted by: Don Q. at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (NgKpN)

336 292 Excuse me but what the fuck does the gov being a physician have to do with addressing racial issues?


What's the difference between God and a surgeon?
God doesn't think he's a surgeon.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (LWu6U)

337 Me thinks that the Trumper should appoint a social conservative to the Supremes and legalize marijuana at the federal level before 2020.

That just about covers all the bases.

Gooooooooooal!!

Posted by: Martell at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (QUQh3)

338 So, Roseann Barr loses her job for a tweet about Planet of the Apes.

Kevin Hart loses a job because of things he tweeted years ago.

Some sports figure loses a draft opportunity because of things he tweeted in high school.

But Democrats accused of racism and rape just keep on keeping on!

Dems are sticking their ass in the face of Hollywood and sports.

And I'm good with that.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (RpM6k)

339 If babies would promise to vote Democratic for life, we might spare their lives...If not the old scissors in the brain trick.

Posted by: Colin at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (cprq8)

340 Immigration should be safe, legal and rare.

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (7HtZB)

341 Hi Insom!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (d7Ww2)

342 Were Indentured servants counted as 3/5 ?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (2DOZq)

343 324
Every February we get more victimology history rather than celebratory history. It gets really really old .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:36 PM (2DOZq)
Every 4th of July I remind people I am descended from subjects of his majesty King George III.
(Actually - 50% from subjects of His Majesty King George V - heh)

Posted by: DamnedYankee at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (37IEG)

344 Anyone who was willing to swear allegiance to The Crown could be brought here via indenture. My ancestors were German/French (the borders were fluid back then) and did so. There are even records of them doing so.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (tapYd)

345 308 If anyone has any solution for this goddamned horror show of formatting that insists that I am posting long FUCKING strings of characters when I am most decidedly NOT and complains about something as simple as a MOTHERFUCKING linebreak tag or inserts all over the place I would be eternally grateful.

This is a fairly recent development.

DIAF Minx 0.7 Alpha.
Posted by: mikeyG


Part of the charm of AoS is the 1996-era platform. If you can't handle the retro quirks, you may need to buy an older computer!

Posted by: zombie at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (c+2jX)

346 They didn't need them. No large-scale agricultural industry. They had plenty of 6 year old children and teenage girls to work in their sweatshops and factories for 15 hours at a time, 6 days a week.

I agree, ultimately they had slaves, effectively, they just were called "workers" in awful factories. But some of the founding fathers were very strong anti-slavery sorts, and they fought hard to end it where they could.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (39g3+)

347 JoeMannix, exactly. There's such an abundance of different disasters in the migration/immigration/admissions area that it really is "flood the zone". Common element: lawlessness.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (QDnY+)

348 Are the Democrats the Party of racism, or rapism?


oh, yeah. "and"


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (sy5kK)

349 Check out "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black and White" by David Barton. Original source material. A wonderful book. I've bought several copies and given them as gifts.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6cjzxnj

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (NMAzL)

350 304 You make a contract with an illiterate person and that contract is legally binding how?
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (w7KSn)

It's not legally binding if the person literally had no idea what they were signing (or, more likely, marking with an 'x'.) or were not legally competent to sign it.

But as long as there was an offer, acceptance, consideration, mutuality of obligation, competence & capacity, and presumably for statute of fraud purposes, a written instrument... it was just treated like any other contract.

...and believe me, illiterate (or close to it, at least -- maybe not technically illiterate people, but you know what I mean) people enter in to contracts all the time.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (GBteo)

351 You have to admit, Kill the Babies, Rape the Women and Put on that Happy
Blackface, sure does have a certain campaign ring to it.

***

Meanwhile we have Purge the Mutant, Worship the Emperor

Posted by: Total Control Racist at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (w+V5+)

352

EM KFC FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (GEhPL)

353 Excuse me but what the fuck does the gov being a physician have to do with addressing racial issues?

-
Doctor: Caduceus

Governor: Snake with a staff.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (+y/Ru)

354 329 Legal immigration is at least regulated, and the citizen can be represented in that process.

Illegal immigration is just anarchy.
______________

Recent Gallup poll shows that 42 million Latin Americans want to come and live in the U.S., and 5 million of them plan to come here in the next 12 months.

And not legally, either.

Posted by: Eeyore at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (fqUgw)

355 Helloooo nurse!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (NWiLs)

356 Anybody familiar with Anthony Johnson?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

Read about the Casor suit.

It was the first time in the 13 Colonies that it was determined that a person who had committed no crime could be held in servitude for life.

...And the slave owner was black.

Awesome.

Posted by: RKae at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (vA7rK)

357 And 'we' lose to these guys routinely...

@j___eraghty

Rep. Beyer, D-Va, on hesitation about forcing out AG Herring, who wore blackface in college: "We would move from a progressive, very strong attorney general to someone who's not just a Republican but someone who's on the arch-conservative end of it."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (whUgy)

358 Someone needs to pressure the convention groups, sports leagues, etc. to apply the standard "not doing business there."

Posted by: WOPR at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (J70i0)

359 The Welfare Plantation has proved to be superior to the Cotton Plantation because it snares all races and ethnic groups. They check in and never leave.

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (4DS7b)

360 ...I would never represent a racist. In fact, if I believed that he was a racist, I would prosecute him myself."
So you see, "racists" should all be prosecuted. "

You don't get the trick, because it's easy to assume that words mean the same things to them as they do to us.

They don't.

To leftists, "racist" is anything done or said by anyone they don't like. Conversely, anything said or done by anyone they like is definitively NOT racist, since they could never be friends with anyone who was a racist.

That's all it is. It's not any more complicated than that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 11, 2019 01:41 PM (Kpl3J)

361 340
Immigration should be safe, legal and rare.

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (7HtZB)


Only early Monday afternoon, and the thread winner of the week is already here!Everyone can find a Democrat or a #Never and explain it to them, as a public service.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 11, 2019 01:41 PM (sy5kK)

362 Hi Insom!!
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (d7Ww2)


And just like that, the smell in the room changed.....

Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:41 PM (IXZGh)

363 The left doesn't care about moral acts, but only the state of (leftist) purity of your soul.

So a "non racist" (Democrat) can put on blackface, make ignorant statements about slavery, etc etc, but such comments (made by a Republican) are simply windows into their "racist" soul.

Also, one is only allowed to make off-color jokes if an official member of the Entertainment Class, e.g. Gene Wilder (Silverstreak) or Robert Downey Jr (Tropic of Thunder). A simple zek attempting similar humor is, by definition an unperson who must be doxed, fired and reviled.

Cleared that up?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 11, 2019 01:41 PM (koNhm)

364 #296 Off, muzhik sock.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 11, 2019 01:41 PM (Evws/)

365 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at February 11, 2019 01:29 PM (uDcBt)

When they can create life without conception, they can come tell me about how life does not begin then.
Until that day, they can go fuc.... shine my shoes.


Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 11, 2019 01:42 PM (VLXcj)

366 Will this reflexive circling of wagons from Democrats finally make Republicans grow spines and start defending (or at least forgiving) our own instead of trying to get ahead of an enemy media?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 11, 2019 01:42 PM (ju9gW)

367 359 The Welfare Plantation has proved to be superior to the Cotton Plantation because it snares all races and ethnic groups. They check in and never leave.
Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (4DS7b)

And they whip the hell out of each other for you. Keeps your arm from getting tired!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:42 PM (AURKQ)

368 It was the first time in the 13 Colonies that it was determined that a person who had committed no crime could be held in servitude for life.

...And the slave owner was black.

Awesome.
_____________________________________

Actual Black History in Black History month.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 11, 2019 01:42 PM (RpM6k)

369 359
The Welfare Plantation has proved to be superior to the Cotton
Plantation because it snares all races and ethnic groups. They check in
and never leave.

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (4DS7b)
We kinda wrote a song about it, you know.

Posted by: The Eagles at February 11, 2019 01:42 PM (sy5kK)

370 >>Rep. Beyer, D-Va, on hesitation about forcing out AG Herring, who wore blackface in college: "We would move from a progressive, very strong attorney general to someone who's not just a Republican but someone who's on the arch-conservative end of it." Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (whUgy)

"So, in other words, your commitment to racism is stronger than your tolerance of ideological differences. Thank you for taking my question, Mr. Beyer. Go sell a car."

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:42 PM (Bdeb0)

371 Trump legalized pot at the federal level last December but got no media credit BECAUSE

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2019 01:42 PM (27kTd)

372 362 Hi Insom!!
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (d7Ww2)

And just like that, the smell in the room changed.....
Posted by: Sponge

I showered this morning!
I'm going to make angels in the snow at lunchtime!

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:43 PM (d7Ww2)

373 By the Governments own numbers, we currently have the largest percentage of Foreign Born in America ever.
_________________

And 64% of them are receiving welfare.

Posted by: Eeyore at February 11, 2019 01:43 PM (fqUgw)

374 334
Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?


Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:27 PM (pw+jk)

We asked a very good friend of his that very question over the weekend.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:37 PM (ptqGC)

Quit teasing us, Jane. You can give us the upshot and keep his identity safe, right?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 11, 2019 01:43 PM (RD7QR)

375 Soros just penned an article saying the end of the EU may be near. This was probably his plan to profit all along

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2019 01:43 PM (27kTd)

376 It's amusing that in the whole VA meltdown, they are clearly frazzled and disorganized and terrified...

but it certainly ain't the GOP they're scared of.

It's their own. Their own monsters. Their own destroyers.

(and rightly so, these dudes are all three of them scumbags who ought to be horsewhipped out of town. But still.)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:44 PM (AURKQ)

377 @373
And the weakest culture of assimilation ever. A true force multiplier of a foreign invasion/electoral replacement.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 11, 2019 01:44 PM (koNhm)

378 371 Trump legalized pot at the federal level last December but got no media credit BECAUSE
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2019 01:42 PM (27kTd)

Hemp. I believe they legalized hemp.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:44 PM (GBteo)

379 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:39 PM (39g3+)

And thank God they were ultimately successful.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 11, 2019 01:44 PM (VLXcj)

380 IIRC, a cargo ship docked in Virginny in 1619 with three 'Africans' ( some accounts say three 'negroes' ) listed in the cargo manifest along with Other Cargo--not as passengers

it's assumed that they were sold ( or their indentures were sold ) along with the Other Cargo, thus bringing slavery or slavery-in-the making to the American colonies.

no one I know of claims to know their names or what actually happened to the three persons


Keep in mind, this was the result of pirate attacks on the Spanish, something the king of England at the time would not have approved.

At the time of the founding of Jamestown, king James didn't support the settlement since it undermined his foreign policy.

Jamestown was placed where it was in part to hide it from Spanish ships; it wasn't long before that the Spanish had slaughtered a Huguenot settlement in Florida.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:44 PM (Q2pWM)

381 The fact that an ad depicting Gillespie as a redneck driving a pickup around to terrorize a carefully chosen rainbow of minority children actually worked says oceans about the apparent intellectual firepower of Virginians.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:44 PM (39g3+)

382 Trump legalized pot at the federal level last December but got no media credit BECAUSE
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2019 01:42 PM (27kTd)

-----------------------

I think that was hemp, not pot, and he threw that back to the individual states.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (ffYR/)

383 Bryan Fischer
@BryanJFischer
"Is America Ready for a Single President?" The better question: is America ready for a homosexual president? If Cory Booker turns out to be gay, he is disqualified. Cannot have a man who engages in sexually deviant behavior in the White House.

-
Dude, that ship has sailed.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (+y/Ru)

384 375 Soros just penned an article saying the end of the EU may be near. This was probably his plan to profit all along
------------------------------
Ending the EU does not end the Euro. George can't make money unless a currency collapses.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (2LelM)

385 Quit teasing us, Jane. You can give us the upshot and keep his identity safe, right?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 11, 2019 01:43 PM (RD7QR)


Cousin who worked in a previous R administration, etc.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (ptqGC)

386 Immigration should be safe, legal and rare.

Posted by: josephistan at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (7HtZB)

----

We should CONTINUALLY hammer at immigration and abortion.

I always say: The border between the already-born and the yet-to-be-born is the only border that leftists will protect, and they guard it with LETHAL force.

Posted by: RKae at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (vA7rK)

387 324 Every February we get more victimology history rather than celebratory history. It gets really really old .
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:36 PM (2DOZq)


Time - hell, way past time - to get rid of the whole thing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (YqDXo)

388 304
You make a contract with an illiterate person and that contract is legally binding how?

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (w7KSn)

A verbal contract is a legal contract, except in most States if it involves real property it has to be written. But even a real contract is binding if the signee can not read if it is explained and cosigned by a witness.

Posted by: Vic at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (mpXpK)

389
375 Soros just penned an article saying the end of the EU may be near.


Not a problem! Buh-bye!

Posted by: the door that juuuuuust missed hitting your ass on your way out at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (pNxlR)

390 371.
Really?

I missed that.

Posted by: Martell at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (QUQh3)

391 381 The fact that an ad depicting Gillespie as a redneck driving a pickup around to terrorize a carefully chosen rainbow of minority children actually worked says oceans about the apparent intellectual firepower of Virginians.
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Chris, the Virginians weren't the ones falling for this it was the imports that fell for it.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 11, 2019 01:46 PM (2LelM)

392 We need to get sign spinners in front of their death clinics. With bullhorns.

"Abortions on demand! Kill your baby here!"

Instead of being AGAINST the evil, be FOR the evil. Overtly because injunctive relief will not be available.

I know they're shameless, but not our target audience. Our target audience needs help. They're in a tight spot. PP is preying on them...partly because body parts.



Part of the problem is that the evil is banal. Spotlight it.

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 01:46 PM (4DS7b)

393 the problem is that a lot of apologists and revisionists argue that since the first indentures were white, and the first slave owners were black, that America is blameless for the carnage that followed.

The first indentures were white Europeans, and the first slave owners were blacks, but their slaves were closer to being servant class workers.

The chattel slavery that came to be could only exist if the laws allowed it and did not recognize slaves as humans. That is on the US, and no amount of mitigation can eliminate that fact.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 11, 2019 01:46 PM (LWu6U)

394 Ugh. Now they're out to ban non-stick products. One more thing I'll have to hoard. I found a 99 cent store selling 100w bulbs last month. Bought all 28 of them.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 11, 2019 01:46 PM (ju9gW)

395 306
You could purchase your passage to America through indentured servitude.
You worked for your master for ten years after you arrived.



Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at February 11, 2019 01:33 PM (r7nKK)

I don't recall ever hearing or reading of cases that required 10 years.

Posted by: Vic at February 11, 2019 01:46 PM (mpXpK)

396 The better question: is America ready for a homosexual president? If Cory Booker turns out to be gay, he is disqualified. Cannot have a man who engages in sexually deviant behavior in the White House.

No.

And Cory Booker is as queer as a duck. No normal man would constantly be on the warpath about faggotry as he is.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2019 01:47 PM (YqDXo)

397 218 I'm going out on a limb, but I have to believe the overwhelming majority of servants were put to work as domestics or heavy labor, not trade apprentices."

You're right, and more specifically, slavery was only really useful in heavy agricultural work which required a good amount of physical strength. As was pointed out earlier, mindless factory work could be done by children, of which there were plenty with nothing to do (no general schooling in those days) and although there were many slaves who became skilled at specific traces like blacksmithing, a person wanting someone to teach a person a trade generally wouldn't select a slave to be the person they would put their time and work into.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 11, 2019 01:47 PM (Kpl3J)

398 Northam sure is dumb. If you find yourself in a fracas over wearing blackface or dressing up like a Klansman, getting into an argument over the precise legal status on blacks in the 1600s really isn't a great strategy for convincing folks that your sensitive to touchy racial issues.

Posted by: bear wth asymmetrical balls at February 11, 2019 01:47 PM (ppBhU)

399 Dude, that ship has sailed.
_______________

And I was the captain!

Posted by: Barry Obama at February 11, 2019 01:47 PM (fqUgw)

400
You make a contract with an illiterate person and that contract is legally binding how?


Professional sports players, many of whom are functionally illiterate from all appearances, do it all the time.

Posted by: it had to be said at February 11, 2019 01:47 PM (pNxlR)

401 Gillespie lost because the state is deep blue. Trump lost too and that surprised him. These guys were are talking about today are not leaving, at least the top guy, because they are Dems in a Dem state.

Posted by: Quint at February 11, 2019 01:48 PM (n13/j)

402 I think that was hemp, not pot, and he threw that back to the individual states.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (ffYR/)

The law just changed hemp from a controlled substance to an agricultural good.

Which removes a lot of federal bullshit from the picture.

Because hemp is not a drug. It is technically a strain of marijuana, but it's got almost no THC and is used to make ropes and stuff like that, people don't smoke it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:48 PM (GBteo)

403 396 The better question: is America ready for a homosexual president? If Cory Booker turns out to be gay, he is disqualified. Cannot have a man who engages in sexually deviant behavior in the White House.

No.

And Cory Booker is as queer as a duck. No normal man would constantly be on the warpath about faggotry as he is.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2019 01:47 PM (YqDXo)

Definitely a case of he doth protest too much.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2019 01:48 PM (NWiLs)

404 Recent Gallup poll shows that 42 million Latin Americans want to come and live in the U.S., and 5 million of them plan to come here in the next 12 months.


Shouldn't be a problem. Hispanics were gifted in family structure, and you can see a Hispanic person, and they can put 20, 30 people in one home.

Posted by: Reggie White at February 11, 2019 01:48 PM (jYje5)

405 398 Northam sure is dumb. If you find yourself in a fracas over wearing blackface or dressing up like a Klansman, getting into an argument over the precise legal status on blacks in the 1600s really isn't a great strategy for convincing folks that your sensitive to touchy racial issues.
Posted by: bear wth asymmetrical balls at February 11, 2019 01:47 PM (ppBhU)

agreed.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:48 PM (GBteo)

406 385 Quit teasing us, Jane. You can give us the upshot and keep his identity safe, right?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 11, 2019 01:43 PM (RD7QR)

Cousin who worked in a previous R administration, etc.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:45 PM (ptqGC)

What did he have to say about Gillespie?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 11, 2019 01:48 PM (RD7QR)

407
I showered this morning!
I'm going to make angels in the snow at lunchtime!
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:43 PM (d7Ww2)


Your morning shower has nothing to do with THIS particular smell, dear......

Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:49 PM (IXZGh)

408 92
Bill Nye, the Science Guy, has ended the abortion debate.



Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:



"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."



-

That's science!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)


If we just killed the storks, we wouldn't have any abortions.

Posted by: Bill Nye, scientist at February 11, 2019 01:49 PM (sy5kK)

409 218 I'm going out on a limb, but I have to believe the overwhelming majority of servants were put to work as domestics or heavy labor, not trade apprentices."

This is why the Reds' claim that blacks build this country is rubbish. Slaves were domestic help or menial labor. Period.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2019 01:49 PM (YqDXo)

410 The chattel slavery that came to be could only exist if the laws allowed it and did not recognize slaves as humans. That is on the US, and no amount of mitigation can eliminate that fact.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 11, 2019 01:46 PM (LWu6U)

That you single out the USA tells me all I need to know about your intellectual honesty. I hate Presentism with a fucking passion.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:49 PM (2DOZq)

411 ok, not "deep blue" but the Dems have a stanglehold on statewide elections. The population of NOVA is basically endless in that it can overcome red votes from the rest of the state.

Posted by: Quint at February 11, 2019 01:49 PM (n13/j)

412 What did he have to say about Gillespie?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 11, 2019 01:48 PM (RD7QR)


Op research was failure theater.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:49 PM (ptqGC)

413
It was the first time in the 13 Colonies that it was determined that a person who had committed no crime could be held in servitude for life.

...And the slave owner was black.

Awesome.
_____________________________________

Actual Black History in Black History month.


History was hacked!!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2019 01:50 PM (aKsyK)

414 342
Were Indentured servants counted as 3/5 ?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 01:38 PM (2DOZq)

I know that is snark but the practice of indentured servants ended before the Constitution was written.

Posted by: Vic at February 11, 2019 01:50 PM (mpXpK)

415 The hemp think is such a transparent dodge. Nobody supports hemp because they're a big supporter of 18th century agriculture, they do it because they love the leaf and want it legalized, so this is one step toward the process. I wish people who support legalized weed would just have the pills to stand up and admit it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:50 PM (39g3+)

416 And Cory Booker is as queer as a duck. No normal man would constantly be on the warpath about faggotry as he is.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2019 01:47 PM (YqDXo)


Occasionally, you run across an individual that has an amazing way with words.......

Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:50 PM (IXZGh)

417 Bill Nye, the Science Guy, has ended the abortion debate.

Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:

"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."


And who knows more about science than an erstwhile mechanical engineer?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2019 01:50 PM (YqDXo)

418 When Rethuglikkans in Congress put 500 MILLION dollars in the cramulus they sold us out. They sold us out on Obamacare too. They sold us out on Syria intervention (remember McCain?) They sell us out at every turn.

Best ones, but not perfect is Rand Paul and McClintock.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good but we need real red lines.

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 01:50 PM (4DS7b)

419 I don't recall ever hearing or reading of cases that required 10 years.
Posted by: Vic at February 11, 2019 01:46 PM (mpXpK)

I'd always heard that the contracts were usually for either 5 or 7 years, depending on the cost of the voyage and the type of work to be done, but I haven't done much research on this and am going off of memory of things I read 10+ years ago.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:50 PM (GBteo)

420 Insom!

Sponge says I smell.

Tell him that's not nice.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (d7Ww2)

421 Right. It was a legal concept in contract law that followed normal contract law rules, and it conferred a legal status on you.

Very different than chattel slavery, which said "no, you're not a person, you're property" to the slaves.

Indentured servitude was a contract between two people, and the courts treated it as such.


It needs to be understood that these indentured servants came to be such due to pirates raiding Spanish slave ships. The seized cargo of slaves was then sold in English settlements.

It is unlikely slaves ships would set out from Africa with the intent of selling indentured servants.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (Q2pWM)

422 What's all this about Indentured Servitude?

Posted by: Morgage Officer at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (MI74Q)

423 >>And Cory Booker is as queer as a duck. No normal man would constantly be on the warpath about faggotry as he is. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2019 01:47 PM (YqDXo)

"Severely heterosexual."

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (Bdeb0)

424 Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:



"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."



-

That's science!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)


So, he actually thinks he's a scientist now......

We're doomed.

Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (IXZGh)

425 F-ing WSJ just picked Kloubachar as their preferred Democrat Candidate. What a bunch of buffoons.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (VpIIl)

426 I'm actually surprised Barry Obama didn't find a cabinet seat for Bill Nye.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:52 PM (ptqGC)

427 >>422 What's all this about Indentured Servitude?
Posted by: Morgage Officer at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (MI74Q)

Toothless submissives.

Kinda thing.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:52 PM (Bdeb0)

428 My state is retardeder than your state.

Posted by: Weasel at February 11, 2019 01:52 PM (MVjcR)

429 Some historical background on why Black Africans were brought over to be slaves in the New World - the Spanish and Portuguese started, and it's an extremely sad story in many respects. When they originally conquered the New World, their plan was to use the natives they had subjected; they were already in place, so it should have been easy. But the natives were not physically robust and not physically capable of the hard labor they were being forced to do, plus they were extremely susceptible to disease. Long story short, within 20 or 30 years the Spanish had killed off more than 90% of their potential workforce. They looked around, and the best group they could find that was physically robust enough to handle the heavy labor, while also not being bothered by equatorial temperatures were Black Africans. And that's how it all started.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 11, 2019 01:52 PM (Kpl3J)

430 315 Gillespie could not have found all these blackface and mouth raping skeletons? I can only conclude that he was involved in Virginia Failure Theater,
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 11, 2019 01:34 PM (pw+jk)
-------------------------------------------------------
He couldn't have found the Fairfax stuff. The only people the victim notified before the election took care to cover it up.

As for the Northam stuff, it would have been quickly dismissed by the media and the Dem Party would have circled the wagons.

I don't think it would have made any difference.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2019 01:52 PM (Rxduq)

431 Bill Nye apparently, literally doesn't know how English Grammar and Good Writing work.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2019 01:52 PM (AURKQ)

432 425 F-ing WSJ just picked Kloubachar as their preferred Democrat Candidate. What a bunch of buffoons.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (VpIIl)

She's not one of the Deplorables but she's just squishy left enough to be acceptable. WSJ likes money but not for you and me.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (RD7QR)

433 Insom!

Sponge says I smell.

Tell him that's not nice.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (d7Ww2)


Insom,

Explain......

You know what I'm talking about here......

Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (IXZGh)

434 I think there is a strong, Constitutional argument to count illegals as 3/5ths for Congressional representation (electoral) purposes.
"Free persons" clearly refers to citizens, and "all other persons" though originally applicable to slaves, nicely fits the status of non-citizens present. It was never formally repealed, except insofar as enfranchisement of former slaves negated the (most common) reading.

So whos with me... !

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (koNhm)

435 Explaination for Booker.

He's advertising.

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (4DS7b)

436 415 The hemp think is such a transparent dodge. Nobody supports hemp because they're a big supporter of 18th century agriculture, they do it because they love the leaf and want it legalized, so this is one step toward the process. I wish people who support legalized weed would just have the pills to stand up and admit it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:50 PM (39g3+)

A lot of people like hemp because it's natural, renewable, and grows like crazy even in not great soil.

There are a surprising number of uses for hemp, from using it as a fabric, to a building material, to a partial plastic replacement...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (GBteo)

437
F-ing WSJ just picked Kloubachar as their preferred Democrat Candidate. What a bunch of buffoons.


Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (VpIIl)


Our local fish wrap is encouraging Tank Abrams to run for preezy in 2020.

That was the last straw for us. Our subscription is up for renewal soon. The fish wrap can DIAF.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (ptqGC)

438 Definitely a case of he doth protest too much.

-
His girlfriend is Hotdog Wiener Polishsausage.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (+y/Ru)

439 So, he actually thinks he's a scientist now......

We're doomed.
Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (IXZGh)

----------------------------

He has been the Left's go to guy on Sciency stuff for years now. Cuz engineers are totes scientists.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 11, 2019 01:54 PM (ffYR/)

440 The chattel slavery that came to be could only exist if the laws allowed it and did not recognize slaves as humans. That is on the US, and no amount of mitigation can eliminate that fact.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 11, 2019 01:46 PM (LWu6U)

On US?

Hmmm... I don't think I've ever owned a slave.

And I don't think I've ever met a slave.

Sorry, I will not take responsibility for stuff that happened long before I was born.

Posted by: Don Q. at February 11, 2019 01:54 PM (NgKpN)

441 Can't resist temptation


I don't single out the US. I am talking about US slavery.
If you want to talk about the ME, or Africa, or Asia, then even today there are slaves.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 11, 2019 01:54 PM (LWu6U)

442 "Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?"

"Forget it Jake, it's Virginia".

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:55 PM (VpIIl)

443 #368 and we first learned it on AOSHQ.

awesome smart military blog

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 01:55 PM (4DS7b)

444 357
And 'we' lose to these guys routinely...



@j___eraghty



Rep. Beyer, D-Va, on hesitation about forcing out AG Herring, who
wore blackface in college: "We would move from a progressive, very
strong attorney general to someone who's not just a Republican but
someone who's on the arch-conservative end of it."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 11, 2019 01:40 PM (whUgy)

Shorter Dem Reasoning: We we all know that dems are racist and pervy as shit, but at least we are not Republicans!

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 11, 2019 01:55 PM (ymnmz)

445 Because hemp is not a drug. It is technically a
strain of marijuana, but it's got almost no THC and is used to make
ropes and stuff like that, people don't smoke it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:48 PM (GBteo)

Some interesting things I discovered from talking about that with my best friend the farmer:
- Apparently, it won't grow in fields that have been treated recently (where recently is essentially in the last 5-7 years) with glyphosate (aka Roundup).
- It's also apparently difficult to produce due to water/irrigation amounts and how that affects the THC content, which is tested before harvest...go over the amount of allowable THC for it to be considered agricultural hemp and it has to be destroyed. Further complicating things, no one has decided if such crop destruction would be covered by crop insurance.

Posted by: Bert G at February 11, 2019 01:55 PM (tOP4K)

446 Guys, I'm totally not a racist. 12 Years An Indentured Servant is my favorite movie!

Posted by: Ralph Northam at February 11, 2019 01:55 PM (ppBhU)

447 I think there is a strong, Constitutional argument to count illegals as 3/5ths for Congressional representation (electoral) purposes.
"Free persons" clearly refers to citizens, and "all other persons" though originally applicable to slaves, nicely fits the status of non-citizens present. It was never formally repealed, except insofar as enfranchisement of former slaves negated the (most common) reading.

So whos with me... !
Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (koNhm)
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I am not. The 3/5 clause was to ensure that legal people - slaves - who were disenfranchised were not counted fully for representation and to act as a check on the legislative authority of the slave states.

Slaves, for all the immorality of the institution, were legal. Illegal aliens are not legally here, and should not be counted at all.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (I2dne)

448 I know that is snark but the practice of indentured servants ended before the Constitution was written.
_______________

By the time the constitution was written, my VA ancestors, who had financed their voyage to the new colony (from England) by becoming indentured servants (7-year term), had been shop-owners and farmers in VA for several generations.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (fqUgw)

449 425 F-ing WSJ just picked Kloubachar as their preferred Democrat Candidate. What a bunch of buffoons.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (VpIIl)

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YOURE GODDAMN RIGHT THEY DID!

Posted by: Amy Klobuchar at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (gC2IV)

450 Oprah 'Remora'

heh

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (4DS7b)

451 440
The chattel slavery that came to be could only exist if the laws allowed
it and did not recognize slaves as humans. That is on the US, and no
amount of mitigation can eliminate that fact.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 11, 2019 01:46 PM (LWu6U)



On US?



Hmmm... I don't think I've ever owned a slave.



And I don't think I've ever met a slave.



Sorry, I will not take responsibility for stuff that happened long before I was born.

Posted by: Don Q. at February 11, 2019 01:54 PM (NgKpN)

Same here. Plus I am about 50% Irish. Come talk to be about injustices.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (jxbfJ)

452 There are a surprising number of uses for hemp, from using it as a fabric, to a building material, to a partial plastic replacement...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (GBteo)

Hemp ropes. Stout hemp ropes. Go long on hemp.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (nPGq2)

453 419 I'd always heard that the contracts were usually for
either 5 or 7 years, depending on the cost of the voyage and the type
of work to be done, but I haven't done much research on this and am
going off of memory of things I read 10+ years ago.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:50 PM (GBteo)

Well hell, I am basing most of my memory on what was taught in school over 40 or 50 years ago.

Posted by: Vic at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (mpXpK)

454 433 Insom!

Sponge says I smell.

Tell him that's not nice.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (d7Ww2)

Insom,

Explain......

You know what I'm talking about here......
Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (IXZGh)

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate...

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (NWiLs)

455 Frau Klobitcher

* cue horse whinny*

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 01:57 PM (4DS7b)

456 425 F-ing WSJ just picked Kloubachar as their preferred Democrat Candidate. What a bunch of buffoons. "

George Will started writing about this a couple weeks ago, and other GOP-e types have been chiming in ever sense. What kind of cocktail parties do these people go to, where they all tell each other that this is a Good Idea?

Klobuchar makes Tim Pawlenty look charismatic. (remember when Pawlenty was gonna be the Great Midwestern Hope?)

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 11, 2019 01:57 PM (Kpl3J)

457
Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:

"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."


Translation: I know you are but what am I?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2019 01:57 PM (aKsyK)

458 Many white poor immigrants indentured themselves to pay for transportation. My uncle's father indentured himself that way to a farmer. The framers discovered that he was a skilled bricklayer and "rented" him out for bricklaying work until his indentures expired,

Posted by: Mike K at February 11, 2019 01:57 PM (s170V)

459 449 425 F-ing WSJ just picked Kloubachar as their preferred Democrat Candidate. What a bunch of buffoons.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:51 PM (VpIIl)

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YOURE GODDAMN RIGHT THEY DID!
Posted by: Amy Klobuchar at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (gC2IV)

You left out
*wings a binder*

Posted by: m at February 11, 2019 01:57 PM (hl9+B)

460 So no reparations for VA blacks

Posted by: Regular joe at February 11, 2019 01:57 PM (cZlKA)

461 "
Our local fish wrap is encouraging Tank Abrams to run for preezy in 2020.

That was the last straw for us. Our subscription is up for renewal soon. The fish wrap can DIAF.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 01:53 PM (ptqGC)"
HH6 absolutely hammered me after the SOTU response about my stealth attempt to move to GA where an idiot like that was almost elected. I had to plead ignorance and vague statements like- "well, it's mostly a Red state".

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:58 PM (VpIIl)

462 Some interesting things I discovered from talking about that with my best friend the farmer:
- Apparently, it won't grow in fields that have been treated recently (where recently is essentially in the last 5-7 years) with glyphosate (aka Roundup).
- It's also apparently difficult to produce due to water/irrigation amounts and how that affects the THC content, which is tested before harvest...go over the amount of allowable THC for it to be considered agricultural hemp and it has to be destroyed. Further complicating things, no one has decided if such crop destruction would be covered by crop insurance.
Posted by: Bert G at February 11, 2019 01:55 PM (tOP4K)

Interesting. I hadn't considered the crop insurance angle... but I'm sure now that it's more widely and legally grown in the US, and with the new federal law trump signed, it will become less of a PITA.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:58 PM (GBteo)

463 The chattel slavery that came to be could only exist if the laws allowed it and did not recognize slaves as humans. That is on the US, and no amount of mitigation can eliminate that fact.

Actually, no.

Its not on the US, its on Great Britain. The USA had states where slavery was banned, and within a generation of the Constitution being ratified had wiped out slavery at a horrific personal cost. You cannot blame the USA for slavery that started and was a part of the area almost 100 years before the nation was even formed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:58 PM (39g3+)

464 441 Can't resist temptation 


I don't single out the US. I am talking about US slavery. 
If you want to talk about the ME, or Africa, or Asia, then even today there are slaves.

What percentage of world slave trade was sent to the USA?

Posted by: Martell at February 11, 2019 01:58 PM (QUQh3)

465 @447
I am familiar with the purpose of the 3/5ths compromise. My point was entirely unserious, though in its own way is directed at the same point as the original 3/5ths, i.e. to limit the electoral power of the New Succession States who presume to count illegals 100% to their power in Congress and ultimately in the Electoral College.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 11, 2019 01:58 PM (koNhm)

466 I think what we have here is a failure to communicate...
Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (NWiLs)


What's so civil about war, anyway.....

Posted by: Sponge at February 11, 2019 01:58 PM (IXZGh)

467 453 419 I'd always heard that the contracts were usually for
either 5 or 7 years, depending on the cost of the voyage and the type
of work to be done, but I haven't done much research on this and am
going off of memory of things I read 10+ years ago. "

My mother grew up on a farm in the Midwest, long ago. She remembers when she was little she used to hear people talking about the farmboys all going off behind the barn to smoke rope (hemp of course) and she could never figure out why any of them would want to do such a thing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 11, 2019 01:59 PM (Kpl3J)

468 Northam has promised blacks in Virginia lots of taxpayer-funded goodies to shut up and let him serve out his term. In the meantime, we'll all be subjected to his Deep Thoughts on racist-y stuff after he reads 'Roots' and Ta-Adhesive Coates. Not a win for anyone except the dems.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at February 11, 2019 01:59 PM (zmIJL)

469 442 "Just how the hell did Gillespie lose to this idiot?"

"Forget it Jake, it's Virginia".
Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:55 PM (VpIIl)

============

I remember when he lost to Warner by less than 1%. He didn't fight the totals or insist on any recounts because the election was over, the people had spoken, and he had lost.

I remember people saying, "He can almost win statewide! He was just against a powerful incumbent! He'll walk to the governorship!"

Turns out he just didn't like to fight.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 11, 2019 01:59 PM (ANN96)

470 It was the first time in the 13 Colonies that it was determined that a person who had committed no crime could be held in servitude for life.

...And the slave owner was black.

-
There's a metaphor there. Donkey Chompers Barbie voters may wake up one day if she prevails asking, "Hey! Who put these shackles on me?"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 11, 2019 01:59 PM (+y/Ru)

471 >>447 I think there is a strong, Constitutional argument to count illegals as 3/5ths for congressional representation (electoral) purposes.

3/5ths of the food, the medical treatment, the water that a full human citizen requires/consumes.

The matter would soon sort itself out.

Posted by: Zod at February 11, 2019 01:59 PM (Bdeb0)

472

There are a surprising number of uses for hemp, from using it as a fabric, to a building material, to a partial plastic replacement...

Bubba Hemp

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2019 01:59 PM (aKsyK)

473 I had to laugh that the WSJ made a reference to Kloubachar's temperament, in a positive way. Those dishonest idiots are around Washington enough to know that's completely false.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:59 PM (VpIIl)

474 Hemp ropes. Stout hemp ropes. Go long on hemp.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2019 01:56 PM (nPGq2)

Yep, completely natural, environmentally friendly ropes with no synthetics is another good use of hemp.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2019 01:59 PM (GBteo)

475 457
Bill Nye on life beginning at conception:

"It's a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding. You apparently, literally don't know what you're talking about."

Translation: I know you are but what am I?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2019 01:57 PM (aKsyK)

==============

"The scientific definition of life is 'whenever the Left says it does'. Hater."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 11, 2019 02:00 PM (ANN96)

476 "Secession" not "Succession" of course.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 11, 2019 02:00 PM (koNhm)

477 Orca's Best Friend Gayle doing her best to save Northam this morning.

https://tinyurl.com/yypo4k2l

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 02:00 PM (ptqGC)

478 Klobuchar makes Tim Pawlenty look charismatic. (remember when Pawlenty was gonna be the Great Midwestern Hope?)
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 11, 2019 01:57 PM (Kpl3J)

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I can't wait for her former staffers to put out a tell all book about how abusive she is to her staff. She is supposed to be one of the worst in Congress, and that is some stiff competition.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 11, 2019 02:00 PM (ffYR/)

479 463 The chattel slavery that came to be could only exist if the laws allowed it and did not recognize slaves as humans. That is on the US, and no amount of mitigation can eliminate that fact.

Actually, no.

Its not on the US, its on Great Britain. The USA had states where slavery was banned, and within a generation of the Constitution being ratified had wiped out slavery at a horrific personal cost. You cannot blame the USA for slavery that started and was a part of the area almost 100 years before the nation was even formed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 11, 2019 01:58 PM (39g3+)

=============

Slavery was so uniquely American that nearly every country on earth allowed its practice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 11, 2019 02:00 PM (ANN96)

480 I am familiar with the purpose of the 3/5ths compromise. My point was entirely unserious, though in its own way is directed at the same point as the original 3/5ths, i.e. to limit the electoral power of the New Succession States who presume to count illegals 100% to their power in Congress and ultimately in the Electoral College.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 11, 2019 01:58 PM (koNhm)
+++++++++++
I figured, yeah. But I don't think illegal aliens should be counted at all. They should not count in any way towards representation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 02:01 PM (I2dne)

481 Being an indentured servant was not the same thing as being enslaved.

Indentures were generally limited - either by time or money.

Posted by: aelfheld at February 11, 2019 02:01 PM (IxDhF)

482 Gillespie could fight Jeb! for the low-energy award. That would be a toss-up

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 02:01 PM (VpIIl)

483 Bert G, your farmer friend is wrong. Glysophate has NO residual on any crop, anywhere.
Now, a lot of corn herbicides do.

Posted by: MarkY at February 11, 2019 02:01 PM (i022r)

484 I'm reposting, but Cuchinelli said that you can't impeach a va lawmaker for anything not done while in office. So that threat was dead in the water when he said it.

However, you'll notice they aren't saying that's why and making a show of "rethinking."

Posted by: dagny at February 11, 2019 02:02 PM (nRWPy)

485 nood Trump approval

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 02:02 PM (I2dne)

486 Does anyone care what science guy Bill Nye says about anything?

Posted by: Northernlurker, still weirdly happy at February 11, 2019 02:02 PM (MkcN1)

487 The Left does not really disapprove of racism, rape, exploitation, war, or slavery.

It only matters that the "right" people are doing it.

Posted by: Emmie at February 11, 2019 02:02 PM (4HMW8)

488 The WSJ also wrote the allegations against Kloubachar were "anonymous" and therefore somehow incredulous despite the corroboration. I was like, hmm, somebody doesn't know their own News Page standards...

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 02:03 PM (VpIIl)

489 does anyone want to go and make snow angels with me?
Posted by: nurse ratched

By the time I got there, the snow would be melted.

Posted by: JT at February 11, 2019 02:03 PM (+Yxdh)

490 HH6 absolutely hammered me after the SOTU response
about my stealth attempt to move to GA where an idiot like that was
almost elected. I had to plead ignorance and vague statements like-
"well, it's mostly a Red state".


Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2019 01:58 PM (VpIIl)


The idiots who supported Abrams tend to be transplants/locusts. Atlanta is practically a suburb of NYC.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2019 02:03 PM (ptqGC)

491 Northam is an idiot. However being an idiot is not impeachable in of it's self.

To impeach he needs to have broken the law. Having diarrhea of the mouth is not illegal.

Which is why he might be "pressured to step down" but he will not be impeached.

Fairfax on the other hand well last I checked rape is illegal.

Posted by: Big V at February 11, 2019 02:03 PM (sN665)

492 Ace, the first Africans in Virginia were indentured servants subject to the same general rules as white indentured servants.




Interestingly, the beginning of chattel slavery in Virginia came from a court case filed by an African from Angola, Anthony Johnson, who had served his period of indenture and bought the services of 5 indentured servants himself... 4 were white and 1 was from Africa. The black indentured servant after a number of years past when he should have been freed of his indenture, left and went to work for another man (under another indenture agreement). Johnson sued the other man who had "taken" his servant and, even though two of his neighbors testified that his indentured servant had worked the number of years he was supposed to, the court found for Johnson and sentenced his former indentured servant to lifetime indenture to Johnson who then "owned" him.




Hereditary slavery did not exist in Virginia until a law was passed in 1661 that mandated children born to indentured or enslaved mothers would share that status.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 11, 2019 02:03 PM (AmZyC)

493 Yeah, Virginia republicans need to stop running Bland Corporate Republican against Alex Jones type in the primaries. We lose either way.

Posted by: dagny at February 11, 2019 02:03 PM (nRWPy)

494 The 3/5 clause in the Constitution was one of those "compromises" to get the Constitution approved. The Northern States did not want to counts the slaves for voting representation at all. The South demanded they be counted as they were populations living in the South. So in the end they compromised to count them as 3/5 of a member of the population for voting representation in the House of Representatives.

If that compromise had not been incorporated there would have been no Constitution.

Posted by: Vic at February 11, 2019 02:04 PM (mpXpK)

495 447 I think there is a strong, Constitutional argument to count illegals as 3/5ths for Congressional representation (electoral) purposes. "

Point of Order - the 3/5 Compromise was knocked out of the Constitution by the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments. It's been a dead letter ever since then. Non-citizen residents do not have the right to vote, or be counted. (current practices notwithstanding)

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 11, 2019 02:04 PM (Kpl3J)

496 You make a contract with an illiterate person and that contract is legally binding how?

Well, given that that person was taken from a Spanish ship where he was held as a chattel slave, and his homeland is on the other side of the Atlantic and his village may no longer exist due to the attacks by Arabs or rival tribes, it is binding because the reality of the situation.

Theory about consent is fine, but hard reality has ruled most of human history.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 02:05 PM (Q2pWM)

497 485
nood Trump approval

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 11, 2019 02:02 PM (I2dne)

Poll stuff, I'll go back to my book.

Posted by: Vic at February 11, 2019 02:05 PM (mpXpK)

498 "Don't get me wrong: Indentured servitude was practically slavery. But I'm pretty sure your children weren't part of the permanent indentured servant class."

Actually, ace, your children WERE. If you died without having paid your debts, they passed to your descendants.

Posted by: SDN at February 11, 2019 02:06 PM (K9d/B)

499 If that compromise had not been incorporated there would have been no Constitution. "

And if there had been no Constitution, there would have been no Union, as the Articles of Confederation were already failing. There would have been 13 individual countries making their own deals, and within 20 years they would have all fallen back under British control. And the men who made that compromise knew it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 11, 2019 02:06 PM (Kpl3J)

500 So what the hell happened to Mike Ertel in Florida? A pic of him in blackface in 2005 shows up in a newspaper, he resigns immediately. It might not be a bad thing he's gone, he apparently is a RINO who was really concerned about making sure felons get the vote, etc.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at February 11, 2019 02:06 PM (zmIJL)

501 Slave Law did not exist in 1619. It took the colonists (in desperate need for labor), about 40 years go get around to figuring out that slavery was a better deal for them. (I mean - upon release - after the term was up - of 25~40 acres, a mule and a year's worth of corn - while land was being gobbled up - starts getting expensive!)
In any case - here - the 400 year anniversary was of 1619. They *were* indentured servants. Not slaves. That took (BIRM) another 40 years to get around to...

https://tinyurl.com/8d8wkg4

Posted by: William at February 11, 2019 02:07 PM (wz/Nn)

502 Rep. Beyer, D-Va, on hesitation about forcing out AG Herring, who wore blackface in college:....
-------------------------
Well, I'll give him credit for honesty. It's all about ideology.

As for me, I detest Herring, all he stands for, and his little dog too.
But his blackface thing barely amounts to using the wrong fork at a formal dinner. (It's not as if he had a KKK-guy next to him, which would be vile.)
In any case, these things are not crimes and happened 30 years ago. He should not even think of resigning.

OTOH, if he stepped on a landmine, ......hooray.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2019 02:07 PM (Rxduq)

503 499
If that compromise had not been incorporated there would have been no Constitution. "



And if there had been no Constitution, there would have been no
Union, as the Articles of Confederation were already failing. There
would have been 13 individual countries making their own deals, and
within 20 years they would have all fallen back under British control.
And the men who made that compromise knew it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 11, 2019 02:06 PM (Kpl3J)

Possible but I don't think it would have been likely. Nothing would have prevented a treaty between the States for military reasons.

Posted by: Vic at February 11, 2019 02:07 PM (mpXpK)

504 Ugh. We had this fight yesterday.



Some people are very committed to the technicality that slavery was called indentured servitude for a generation.



Also it's important to some people that more African slaves went to
Brazil than to America, as if either of these things absolves American
slavery.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 11, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)

Bander... being correct matters. There were plenty of indentured servants both black and white that did not voluntarily sign up for the trip over. Nonetheless Northam, while generally an asshole and wrong, was correct on this point.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 11, 2019 02:08 PM (AmZyC)

505 Bert G, your farmer friend is wrong. Glysophate has NO residual on any crop, anywhere.

Now, a lot of corn herbicides do.



Posted by: MarkY at February 11, 2019 02:01 PM (i022r)


All I know is what he said he found in his research...and he's the one considering investing a lot of time, money, and acreage in growing it, not me.

Posted by: Bert G at February 11, 2019 02:08 PM (tOP4K)

506 And I don't think I've ever met a slave.

Sorry, I will not take responsibility for stuff that happened long before I was born.
Posted by: Don Q. at February 11, 2019 01:54 PM (NgKpN)

...

Friend of ours, guardians for our kids actually, has a quilt on his wall that his great grandmother made. She was a slave at the time, very young.

She must have had kids late in life and grandparents did too, etc. But still. I can understand how it doesn't seem all that long ago for some people.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 11, 2019 02:08 PM (yL25O)

507 392 We need to get sign spinners in front of their death clinics. With bullhorns.

"Abortions on demand! Kill your baby here!"

Instead of being AGAINST the evil, be FOR the evil. Overtly because injunctive relief will not be available.

I know they're shameless, but not our target audience. Our target audience needs help. They're in a tight spot. PP is preying on them...partly because body parts.

Part of the problem is that the evil is banal. Spotlight it.
Posted by: torabora


I've already outlined a protest strategy that is guaranteed to end the abortion industry in America, but absolutely no one has the gonads to do it. That's because it would require seriously "taking one for the team" to an extent people on the right just aren't willing to do (even though leftists very often will sacrifice their good names and freedom to promote their cause in stunts very similar to this -- they have the commitment, but conservatives don't.)

Here is how to end abortion in America:

Gather as many anti-abortion activists together as you can for secret training sessions. The more, the better. Divide the assembled activists into two groups: One group will play the role of racist Nazis. The other group will play the role of violent extreme-left Antifa types. Train for weeks, months, soi that when the big day happens, it is believable:

The first group dresses up believably as Nazi/KKK types, and goes to predetermined Planned Parenthood clinic. They surround the clinic with "protesters" who are PRO-abortion, and all hold signs saying things like

"Margaret Sanger Was Right: Legal Abortion Protects the White Race."

"More Abortions = Fewer Ni&&ers"

" 'With Family Planning we want to exterminate the Negro population.' -- Margaret Sanger, 1939"

etc. etc. etc.

The, the second group shows up, and starts at first getting into a furious shouting match with the first group, with the second group arguing AGAINST the notion of black genocide via abortion.

Then, everyone calls the police on each other, along with the news media.

Then the "Antifa" group, when the camera's show up, should start beating on the Nazi group.

Everyone must be prepared to go to jail and be vilified in the media (and for the rest of your life) as a racist or as a violent communist.

Guaranteed massive news coverage. Except everyone who's watching will have their sympathies reversed: Leftists will OPPOSE anything the Nazis support.

Do this enough times, and you will flip the narrative, and make the Left be anti-abortion.

The "cost" will be a few thousands pro-life activists briefly in jail and with lifelong tarnished reputations. Isn't that worth it?

Posted by: zombie at February 11, 2019 02:09 PM (c+2jX)

508 The first legal slave holder in the US was a black man who had been an indentured servant. Note the term "legal". He became a tobacco farmer, owned land and had a court case which allowed him the lifetime ownership of the "indentured servant". Virginia 1650. The owner's name was Anthony Johnson, his slave John Casor. Casor claimed his contract term had run out years earlier. . .

I didn't see what that baby killing racist said on TV but he might have been fumbling for something like this. Who knows what he was thinking.

Get lost Northwad.

Posted by: simplemind at February 11, 2019 02:10 PM (drs01)

509 My family owned slaves and killed a lot of Indians; and you still aren't getting a dime out of me or will I shed a single tear.

Posted by: Jean at February 11, 2019 02:10 PM (25Dt7)

510 nor, not xor

Posted by: Jean at February 11, 2019 02:11 PM (25Dt7)

511 I remember when he lost to Warner by less than 1%. He didn't fight the totals or insist on any recounts because the election was over, the people had spoken, and he had lost.

I remember people saying, "He can almost win statewide! He was just against a powerful incumbent! He'll walk to the governorship!"

Turns out he just didn't like to fight.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Read Some Movie Thoughts at February 11, 2019 01:59 PM (ANN96)


The Karl Rove Hollowhead approved technique of not dignifying scurrilous attacks with a response? Oh yeah, that's a winning strategy.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 11, 2019 02:11 PM (1pz14)

512 Frau Klobitcher

cue *horse whinny*

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 02:12 PM (4DS7b)

513 Isn't making the children pay for the sins of the fathers a form of slavery?

Posted by: Martell at February 11, 2019 02:13 PM (QUQh3)

514 Interestingly, the beginning of chattel slavery in Virginia came from a court case
===========
THIS IS WHY JUDGES MATTER.

Posted by: simplemind at February 11, 2019 02:13 PM (F+v8q)

515 I don't single out the US. I am talking about US slavery.
If you want to talk about the ME, or Africa, or Asia, then even today there are slaves.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 11, 2019 01:54 PM (LWu6U)

Your post singled out the USA. Slavery was worldwide and yes, laws allowed it in many countries. It was an accepted part of world wide cultural for centuries prior to the creation of the USA. Western Christianity brought it to an end and that is what should be emphasized.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 11, 2019 02:14 PM (TD9KB)

516 Term and Whole Life are both insurance.

Term slaves and Whole Life slaves are both slaves.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 11, 2019 02:15 PM (Ndje9)

517 What this clown did 30 years ago, meh.
For his stand on infanticide? Hang him, but for crying out loud, make him comfy first, let's not be animals!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 11, 2019 02:16 PM (LOq4H)

518 Might have already been mentioned, but:

I have read that an Englishman could sign on for the journey to the colonies by signing on as an indentured servant for a fixed term, like three years. Basically it was a loan to pay for the voyage. Trade three years of work for the journey, or whatever.

It was pretty common, I seem to recall. It also was limited for a certain amount of time, and I believe the servant received some land and a small sum once they finished their servitude.

A far cry from slavery, by any measure.

Posted by: RobM1981 at February 11, 2019 02:17 PM (R50Im)

519 Possible but I don't think it would have been likely. Nothing would have prevented a treaty between the States for military reasons.

Also, not much could prevent pulling out of such treaty if the other state got into a nasty war.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 02:17 PM (Q2pWM)

520 Seems lots of slavery still going on in Africa, Middle East and Southeast Asia. Crickets from a lot of these Leftists.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 11, 2019 02:18 PM (r+sAi)

521 zombie....50 million dead. Anything is worth it.

Why the courts have invested in it is beyond me.

My defense for the accused would be *say it loud*

NECESSITY!

A well grounded truth in law is that the law may be broken to SAVE LIFE.

If I don't watch it I may become a fervent activist.

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 02:18 PM (4DS7b)

522 Term and Whole Life are both insurance.



Term slaves and Whole Life slaves are both slaves.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 11, 2019 02:15 PM (Ndje9)

Whether you call them indentured or slaves, both black and white folks were subject to the same term and treatment.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 11, 2019 02:19 PM (AmZyC)

523 #513 22 trillion $$$ debt

Posted by: Magic Eight Ball Says at February 11, 2019 02:19 PM (4DS7b)

524 Saudi slavery is spoken of ....

Posted by: torabora at February 11, 2019 02:20 PM (4DS7b)

525 Ironically, I believe Georgia was created as a free state 9i.e., no slavery).

The creation of slavery in the English colonies was a bit complicated. You might not approve of your neighbor owning slaves, but your only legal recourse would be to vote in the legislature. And the king wasn't imposing the law in the colonies.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 02:24 PM (Q2pWM)

526 525 Ironically, I believe Georgia was created as a free state 9i.e., no slavery).

The creation of slavery in the English colonies was a bit complicated. You might not approve of your neighbor owning slaves, but your only legal recourse would be to vote in the legislature. And the king wasn't imposing the law in the colonies.

Posted by: DonS at February 11, 2019 02:24 PM (Q2pWM)

...

iirc, it's the exact opposite. Maybe not Georgia, but there was a colony that wanted to be slave free, and the crown imposed it in their charter. I don't have the recall to swear to it so dont' quote me.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 11, 2019 02:37 PM (yL25O)

527 I'd like for the RNC to dig into the senate and congress, find all the jews with two or fewer grandchildren, so we can loudly proclaim

DONALD TRUMP HAS MORE JEWISH GRANDCHILDREN THAN X, Y, . . .

And I sure wish Shumer is A on the list.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 11, 2019 02:43 PM (+fPHo)

528 Just researched it, and BINGO! Trump has more Jewish grandchildren than Chuck Schumer.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 11, 2019 02:44 PM (+fPHo)

529 Slave = taxpayer with 100% tax rate and no deductions

Posted by: Bang-a-gong at February 11, 2019 02:45 PM (tZatu)

530 There's a lot of "technically" and "legally" involved.

The first Africans were slaves whose transport ship was captured by the Dutch who brought them to Virginia.
According to English law, they could not be sold as slaves because they had been baptized, so they were treated as indentures.

About 50 years later, a former African indenture got into a dispute with a neighbor over amore recent African indenture, and a court made that more recent African indenture a slave for life to the earlier African indenture.
Along with this, courts in the colonies subverted and/or overtly violated English law to make Africans slaves for life, including their children when the father was English.

As for the "optics" of all this legal and technical parsing when the subject of a racial scandal, that is its own can of worms that Northam chose to chow down on.

Posted by: Sam at February 11, 2019 03:07 PM (YScgw)

531 For one thing as the history I've read is that the majority of slave catchers were Muslim. They were usually working with the local King and when the King warred with other tribes he'd turn the captives over to the trader. The English and Americans didn't do much capturing. They left that up to the locals. They made their purchase at the docks. Whole barracks were set up to pen them until the next ship showed up.

I'm sure there were a few entrepreneurs that did some freelance capturing but a lot of America's slaves came from the West Indies plantations and not direct from Africa. It was illegal to import after the early 1800's anyway.

It's always bugged me that America is vicious because we used slaves but it was the Portuguese, Spaniards and English that did the majority of importation so why aren't they vilified? They started it. If it could be said to have a starting point.

Black slaves were imported for centuries into Egypt and the M.E.

I doubt anyone was indentured out of Africa unless they had some specialized knowledge about the planting and growing of a special crop or mining.

Oh and to all those who visit S.A. and act like it's their homeland; not many slaves came out of South Africa. In fact most of the Blacks in South Africa immigrated from the north.

Posted by: jakee308 at February 11, 2019 03:37 PM (WG0xd)

532 Check out "White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's white Slaves in America," by Don Jordan. It's on Amazon for $2.99. Very informative.
One of the book's key points was that while blacks were held after 1650 or so in chattel slavery (property, including their descendants) and white indentured servants had some rights and could look forward to freedom in 7 years or so, that wasn't much comfort to the whites, who died like flies in the tobacco fields. Few made it to freedom.
And, EXTREMELY CONTROVERSIAL ASSERTION, it could be argued that white landowners treated blacks better than white indentured servants because they were caring for their own property when the white servant would be dead or gone in a few years so why care?
Many of the whites were transported involuntarily to the colonies in Jamaica, Massachusetts, Virginia, etc., as convicts, kidnapped children, Irish, or Scot soldiers capture after battles such as the 1650 Battle of Dunbar (10,000 captured).
Black and white, it was a despicable practice, chattel and indenture, unworthy of a civilized nation - which Britain claimed to be. (The USA wouldn't be formed for more than 150 years.)

Posted by: Mongoose at February 11, 2019 04:06 PM (AeNGk)

533 Northam was right. The first Africans came as indentured servants. After 7 years they got 40 acres of land. Slavery stated around 1640 when a Black landowner (Anthony Johnson) had a servant that ran away from his contract and Johnson claimed in court that the man was his property and thus slave. They judge ruled in his favor and after that all Africans were considered the property of the owner.
Another little factoid is that some of the largest landowners in VA were in fact Black. Whole families came across and indentured for 7 years ergo each member got 40 acres of land. Those Black landowners held slaves as well. At the end of the Civil War there were over 1600 Black slave owners mostly in La.
Back to Northam...he was right but he's so whipped at this point he'll agree to anything a Black says to him.

Posted by: buffy at February 11, 2019 04:15 PM (ahh+p)

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