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So Here's the Actual Situation

1. Trump and Republicans are losing support, not gaining it.

This means that the current tactic is not moving the Overton Window in the right direction. It's moving it in the left direction.

Nancy Pelosi is winning the shutdown as it's currently occurring. Why would she back down or negotiate when her best play is to just keep on doing what she's doing?

This is like a football team running the ball every play and getting stuffed for a half yard loss every play. And then one coach says "Maybe we could mix things up with a pass or trick play" and other coaches say, "That's for The Gayz. Let's keep running to show we're not afraid to run."

Okay, we could do that.

But what are we hoping to accomplish there, beyond demonstrating our capacity for masochism and willingness to eat political failure in order to crap policy failure?

What is the actual upside of "keep on doing what we're doing?" Someone please explain this to me. We're losing. Keeping doing what we're doing means more losing.

I feel like there's some underpants gnome logic going on here:

1, do the same thing which is not working

2, ???

3, profit politically, win the wall

I need to know what "2" is there.

2, Trump needs a change in dynamic if he wants to come out of this with anything because his current trajectory is We're losing so much you're gonna get sick of losing.

To use another sports metaphor: In basketball, when the other team is on a 12-2 run, you call a timeout. You try to disrupt their timing, their flow. You try to develop a new plan and make personnel adjustments.

You don't just sit there doing the same thing letting a 12-2 run turn into a 26-8 run.

Is this temporary time-out enough to change things? Almost certainly not!

But it's better than doing what we're doing, which is failing.


3. Shutdowns never work for either party.

If anyone can name a government shutdown in which the party shutting it down actually won the political issue they were seeking, please name it.

The Democrats even lost their shutdown, with all the Media Privilege they have! Not even the combined might of the Democrat Media Complex can win a shutdown.

These things always fail. This was a failure from the beginning. Not a single shutdown has ever succeeded; why would this one succeed? This was about proving to the base "we mean it," even though we don't mean it.


4. This was already all lost when Trump couldn't get a Republican controlled Congress to appropriate funds to build the wall.

How's he gonna get Democrats to do what Republicans refused to do?

First, he didn't press the issue. That's on him. He's lazy and easily distracted. He has energy. He does not have focus or follow-through.

Second, Failure Theater Director Mitch McConnell permitted a "filibuster" in the Senate to kill wall funding, which is what Mitch McConnell wanted.

This is failure theater. As Derek Hunter explained (or reminded) in a Daily Caller podcast just before Christmas, the Senate rules actually require a talking, real filibuster for a filibuster to actually stop a bill. That means that everyone has exactly two (2) times to talk, and they can talk as long as they want, but they must talk, and they cannot take breaks. That would end their speaking slot.

When all speakers who want to speak have spoken twice -- that's it, filibuster is over. Cloture now happens by majority vote and we proceed to a vote on the actual substance of the matter.

McConnell knows damn well this is the rule for filibusters but he's made a gentlemen's agreement with non-gentlemen that they will pretend they've done a real filibuster if they merely refuse to vote for cloture.

McConnell doesn't want to force a real filibuster for several reasons.

1, he doesn't want the wall. He's not being paid by corporate interests to reduce the flow of low-skilled labor into the country.

2, he is stupid enough to think that Chuck Schumer will honor his side of the gentleman's agreement and permit this Lazy Filibuster when Republicans are in the minority.

3, he's super lazy and old and doesn't want to have to stand on his feet for hours and hours talking. That's hard. It's also a test of endurance that favors younger men, and these old, weak men of the Senate do not want to put themselves through that and do not want to be seen failing at that -- if an old senator fails to stand his post, that invites a primary challenge from a younger, more robust man.

Imagine if there were a real filibuster on one of the Obamacare votes and some old GOP senators like Thad Cochran were exposed as huge liabilities that broke the filibuster and allowed Obamacare to pass. He'd've been out next cycle.

These old men don't want to play young men's games.

They want to serve forever and they don't want to work very hard. So they're going to go with the Old Man Filibuster until Schumer (or Harris, or Booker) gets into power and decides it's worth scrapping.

So we failed the moment the Congress changed from R to D. Since then we've just been playing at theater, stagecraft, and battlespace preparation.

The only real part of this is Trump making the case that he can/must use his emergency powers.

Everything else is just pure kabuki.

And finally:


5. Trump can't back down or he will not be reelected. But on the other hand, Nancy Pelosi can't back down or she'll lose her majority.

So this is pointless. Both sides know this.

The only thing that's going to resolve this issue is Trump declaring a national emergency and building a wall using his inherent and statutory powers.

The only useful part of the shutdown, and it's barely useful, is making a case to a Hawaiian judge that Congress is dysfunctional and cannot act in the face of an actual emergency and therefore Trump's has plausible justification to declare an emergency within the meaning of the statutes.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:06 PM




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1 First?

Posted by: Flyguy at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (3sOO0)

2 First!

Posted by: Thanatopsis at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (QjY7s)

3 Frickety frack!

Posted by: Thanatopsis at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (QjY7s)

4 I get what you're saying, ace, but I mean...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:08 PM (GBteo)

5 Nuke it from orbit - its the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Pinochet Air Tours Flt. Attendant, Starboard Side at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (67aEn)

6
Got the forge fired up and I'm shoeing the Budweiser Clydesdales boss!!

Posted by: Ruth Bader Ginsburg at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (GEhPL)

7 Good to see Trump isn't coached by Andy Reid.

Posted by: Regular joe at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (7PllL)

8 So no RIFs. My disappointment is palpable.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (xa6W5)

9 It was the air traffic control scare stories that did it. Any plane disaster would be on Trump.

And there are Democrats out there crazy enough to crash a plane to make Trump look bad.

Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (mk9aG)

10 I need to know what "2" is there.
..........

Cave?

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2019 03:10 PM (v0R5T)

11 SCOTUS has to smack down these BS lower court injunctions. Using emergency powers is pointless without that.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (RD7QR)

12 Agreed.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (x6XkS)

13 I'm going to go with Trump. He's is troll master. Now he can breath enough to really attack San Fran nan

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (jsWA8)

14 "1, do the same thing which is not working

2, ???

3, profit politically, win the wall

I need to know what "2" is there."

Raising the stakes would be a good '2'. Or to keep the sportsball metaphor going, you ram harder through the enemies line or inflict injuries or cause the other side so much pain in some other way that they stop.

Just spitballing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (bcbK8)

15 The only useful part of the shutdown, and it's barely useful, is making a case to a Hawaiian judge that Congress is dysfunctional and cannot act in the face of an actual emergency and therefore Trump's has plausible justification to declare an emergency within the meaning of the statutes.
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I'm not a Hawaiian judge but I concur that Congress is dysfunctional and can't get one dang thing accomplished and Trump would be justified in declaring a national emergency.

Posted by: bluebell at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (U5tDi)

16 But he promised Mexico was going to pay for it!

If Mexico is paying for it, then I'd be totes for having a wall.

But if not, then we should just have an open border because he promised!!!

Posted by: Jonah "the Ace of Diamonds" Goldberg at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (DuAZ5)

17 Pelosi is walking Trump like a wombat on a stick!

Posted by: Sudden one-name troll at January 25, 2019 03:12 PM (RD7QR)

18 https://tinyurl.com/ybpqvs26

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 25, 2019 03:12 PM (8H/yo)

19
How many times have we re-lived that scene in Braveheart, now?

You know the scene.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:12 PM (kgAmS)

20 I still think Donny two scoops has a plan. In 3 weeks we will know. He's been at this shit in NYC for a looong time.

I hope I'm not eating my hat in a few weeks. For now, I'm biding time.

Posted by: Infidel at January 25, 2019 03:12 PM (9L2du)

21 Not sure how we weren't winning the shutdown polling. All I heard about from the Dem's was "open up and we'll negotiate" while Trump was saying "I'm ready to negotiate right now, here's 3 separate offers."

I don't think even the Democrat supporters believe that they will negotiate once the government reopens.

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 25, 2019 03:12 PM (kI/3T)

22 >>>Not sure how we weren't winning the shutdown polling. All I heard about from the Dem's was "open up and we'll negotiate" while Trump was saying "I'm ready to negotiate right now, here's 3 separate offers."

well trump is down to 37% approval.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (PbpT7)

23 TIME OUT!

Posted by: ANDY REID at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (Z8H2T)

24 i don't think it's that bad.....it might be....but what i heard was not horrible....it wasn't great....but i face disappointment regularly....maybe i'm just numb.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (0O7c5)

25 After thirty days of shutdown a RIF may be triggered by the president. RIF means "Reduction Of Forces", if Trump starts trimming the roles of non-essential government then I see a big win. If he fails to do it I will be disappointed.

Posted by: recklessprocess at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (zmE8s)

26 ace, here's the thing...

This is not going to get better for Trump. By backing down now, he's showing weakness to the Dems and the media. His negotiating position is much weaker after a 3-week "temporary" government re-opening.

I don't see what this buys him. Unless his ultimate plan is to walk away from the wall idea, which ... fine.

But HE chose this hill to die on -- strategically, the Dems now realize that they can just wait out the rest of Trumps term and threaten to shut down the govt any time he won't agree to what the house wants to do.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (GBteo)

27 1. Trump and Republicans are losing support, not gaining it.

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Do we know this is true? I'd love to see the details of any polls on this. I'm not saying they're bullshit, but I sorta think they're bullshit. Do we really think that people previously supported Trump, have gone through this shutdown and turned on him for it? I don't buy that. Everyone knows the wall is the main thing Trump ever wanted. The people who supported supported him for it, and the people who didn't would never vote for him anyway.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (KUaJL)

28 How many times have we re-lived that scene in Braveheart, now?




The Senate Majority Leader wishes to say a word.


SURRENDER!!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (xa6W5)

29 We really should have pressed for privatization of ATC and a lot of other crap that the _government_ doesn't need to do. Used it as a "teachable moment."

Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (mk9aG)

30 And Mitch McConnell is a bitch. He needs someone to pimp slap him and to push his head back down so he gets back to making us money.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (bcbK8)

31 They were right! TRUMP REALLY IS IN CAHOOTS WITH RUSSIA!!!!

Posted by: Johnny The One Name Newbie Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (PbpT7)

32 All good points, Ace.

If SCOTUS had agreed to hear DACA case, it might have been a bargaining tool for Trump.. but he doesn't even get a break there.

All he has left is the military and emergency funding.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (so+oy)

33 Also, what polling at you looking at?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (bcbK8)

34 I get the sense that either way, nobody wins. And the citizenry just lose that much worse no matter. It's sad.

Posted by: Flyguy at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (3sOO0)

35 I feel like there's some underpants gnome logic going on here:

1, do the same thing which is not working

2, ???

3, profit politically, win the wall

I need to know what "2" is there.


Field Marshal Haig is able to move his drinks cabinet three feet closer to Berlin.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pre-Fab Tru-Con Brand Cuck-Sheds Now At the Outrage Outlet! at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (hLRSq)

36
well trump is down to 37% approval.

And you think this is because of the shutdown?

So people who voted for Trump don't approve of the Wall they voted for?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (kgAmS)

37 Ace is 100 percent right about this being the Congressional Republicans failure to act when they had the majority and the failure of Trump to drive them to action.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (RpM6k)

38 well trump is down to 37% approval.



Oh. Polls.


Do I need to insert the *eyeroll*?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (xa6W5)

39 yeah, mostly point 5.

I think trump figures a breather would give federal workers a chance to stop bitching and he can do the SOTU and tell nancy that walls are not immoral.

Posted by: assault smirk at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (jhTf/)

40 Most Americans didn't care about the shutdown. The press could report all they want about Americans saying they "blame" Trump for the shutdown. For most Americans though, it doesn't matter who is to blame because it is/was touching their lives not one little bit.


The people who DO care about this are Trump's supporters. WE are who he needs to worry about pissing off.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (F/KeJ)

41 well trump is down to 37% approval.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (PbpT7)

Maybe, maybe not. I don't know how much I trust the snapshot polls on an issue like that.

But even if true -- what makes you think it will rebound? If 10% of the population suddenly decided to say "fuck trump," what brings them back?

The media has been relentlessly attacking Trump for 3+ years now -- the GW Bush effect. At some point his approval numbers are going to suffer.

BUT how much of that drop in approval is from people on our side angry that he's caving or not going farther?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (GBteo)

42 are we really losing, or is the MFM just reporting it that way?

i don't even hear people talking about it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (aMZRM)

43 I just hope Trump keeps the ban on CDel travel on military aircraft until he gets the wall, or at least a SOTU.

Posted by: Wethal at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (3RspO)

44 Wow, this sure does undermine that Mencken "slitting throats" Blog-Banner quote, don't it? SMDH.
Might as well just just change the name to "Still Searchin' For The Hill", at this rate......

Posted by: DMO at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (Bqoi/)

45 >>>
This is not going to get better for Trump. By backing down now, he's showing weakness to the Dems and the media. His negotiating position is much weaker after a 3-week "temporary" government re-opening.

And Nancy Pelosi will decide to give up because she's gaining support for... what reason...?

This ends with a declaration of emergency and the subsquent legal fights. It ends in no other way. It's a fantasy to think Democrats will just give up when they're winning politically. They don't care about anything else but winning politically.

If they were losing, that would be different. but they're not.

Posted by: Johnny The One Name Newbie Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:16 PM (PbpT7)

46 I don't think even the Democrat supporters believe that they will negotiate once the government reopens.
Posted by: Defenestratus at January 25, 2019 03:12 PM (kI/3T)

Anyone who thinks they will is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:16 PM (LXTiX)

47 You're all trolls!

Posted by: The guy who calls everyone who disgrees with him a troll at January 25, 2019 03:16 PM (786Ro)

48
Is there any further bit of "government" that can be defunded? Do it! Defund, shut down everything.

Problem here is the usual one -- the complicit-with-Dems MF'ingM.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 25, 2019 03:16 PM (rXie1)

49 Eh, not sure the polling flipped that fast. Wasn't it earlier this week we were hearing about how his numbers were way up with Hispanics?

Posted by: Bert G at January 25, 2019 03:16 PM (tOP4K)

50
Bold #4 by Ace is the real issue.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 03:16 PM (r+sAi)

51 I thought the shutdown was popular among average voters, but I admit I live in a bubble. I asked folks IRL "has the shutdown affected you?" and they all said no, and most of them are lefties and government-dependent types.

Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:16 PM (mk9aG)

52 well trump is down to 37% approval.





Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (PbpT7)

In a CNN poll.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (F/KeJ)

53 well trump is down to 37% approval.

45% on Ras

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (P4Pk9)

54 Going with 4.

Nancy will never, ever give him shit. Trump was always going to have to go the Emer res route.

All this has been set up to argue he's got a case and that he tried every option before going suitcase nuke.

Once he does that, the shitstorm of judicial proceedings will be epic. And I think Trump wins both in the SC and the pool of public opinion.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (pUDQf)

55 1) I figured the upside was either put through an RIF or declare an emergency. Neither of which was done. And if Congress concludes the President won't keep the government shut down, there is a risk for Republicans to override the next veto.

4) This is, politely, nonsense on stilts. The Senate completely collapsed on Obamacare despite it being the decade's signature issue. A wall would have failed even more badly. It has nothing to do with a (completely imaginary) lack of focus. Without Trump, this shutdown would not have been pressed at all.

Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (81uw/)

56 1. Trump and Republicans are losing support, not gaining it.

Got anything to back this up Boss?

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (LXTiX)

57 Just wait until random General decides that he cannot follow an unconstitutional order to help build the wall without congress' approval. Obama infested our military too.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (wGbBR)

58 I thought the shutdown was popular among average
voters, but I admit I live in a bubble. I asked folks IRL "has the
shutdown affected you?" and they all said no, and most of them are
lefties and government-dependent types.



Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:16 PM (mk9aG)

Washington care. No one else does.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (F/KeJ)

59 Trump didn't push the Wall in the Repub Congress because his Chief of Staff, Kelly, did not want a wall.

That has become clear by Kelly speaking out against the wall recently.

Note, border wall fight REALLY started right after Kelly was fired.

Posted by: Don Q at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (NgKpN)

60 If the RINOs were as evil as the Democrats, there would have been a Reichstag fire next to the Rio Grande already and Trump's emergency power would be in action now.

Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (mnAmV)

61 The government is open again?
YAY, WE'RE ALL GONNA LIVE!

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (v0R5T)

62 Trump needs to channel Sonny Corleone. No. not this time Turtle, no more discussions. no more meetings. no more Dem tricks. That Pelosi or Schumer shows one hair on their asses and they're dead

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (OLCnA)

63 I agree with number 4. He should have done this before Pelosi took the House.
If the state of emergency was the way to go. why squander political capital on a losing proposition like a shutdown? And loss it was, especially as it was fruitless.

Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (g0yk9)

64 well, trump is mostly going to be a one termer anyway.

The wall is forever.

The way he gets to 2 terms is the way reagan did it.

stick to message
deliver the goods to the base
make the union thugs happy with prosperity by actually having jobs

Posted by: assault smirk at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (jhTf/)

65 You assert that he is losing, but I am not sure.

Yesterday pelosi was asking for applause for saying how important border security is. This has to be a response to her feeling that her opposition is a losing position with the voters.

Maybe to the propaganda machine (media, social media, etc.) Trump is losing each day, but to much of America and voters, the more pelosi dragged this on, the more it revealed their position as being for open borders.

And each day the dems strayed further from their facade points of opposition that there is no money, or it is an environmental problem, or racists, or insulting to people on the other side, ... So Trump was winning the issue in that field.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (LWu6U)

66 36
well trump is down to 37% approval.
____________________________________

Wow. And he only has 648 days to rehabilitate his poll numbers in time for the election.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (RpM6k)

67 Nancy had a chance to do something on DACA and didnt. DACA kids will be back in limbo after SCOTUS rules, and it will

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (n8q5o)

68 Just this place is just sad

Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (BqBId)

69 Fuck trolls and fuck the Democrats.

But I repeat myself.

Me, I'm still employed and making money. Gonna go on doing that.

I don't have hair to light on fire and I'm not under any illusions that the fight will be short or easy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (bcbK8)

70 Yeah, but Trump DID back down. And the press will play that on eternal loop. Trump will claim some poor crappy gesture is "a wall". Folks, I have been here at least three times before: under Reagan, where granting citizenship was supposed to be accompanied by real border security. IT NEVER HAPPENED. Then under GW Bush when a WALL was actually funded and supposed to be done. Outside of San Diego and a spot or two in Texas, IT NEVER HAPPENED. They put in ten electronic sensors which failed within a week and called it good. Then, later in Bush's admin, they again claimed they were building a wall and they again received actual funding and NEVER BUILT IT. This is surrender theater, Episode 4.

Posted by: DZouave at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (4BFdc)

71 And Nancy Pelosi will decide to give up because she's gaining support for... what reason...?

This ends with a declaration of emergency and the subsquent legal fights. It ends in no other way. It's a fantasy to think Democrats will just give up when they're winning politically. They don't care about anything else but winning politically.

If they were losing, that would be different. but they're not.

Posted by: Johnny The One Name Newbie Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:16 PM (PbpT7)

yeah, but, ace -- fine. If that's the true end game, then why not declare an emergency now, re-open the govt, then let the slow march through the judiciary begin today?

What's the point in waiting for 3 weeks?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (GBteo)

72 I dont think Trump is lazy but he has too many bad advisors hes been listening to that only fairly recently is he finally getting rid of.

Now if he could just drop Javanka in a hole then hed really get shit done.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (SW5SE)

73 I just wish they would quit with the tweeting and pissing contests and just get stuff done. We're starting to look like (or maybe worse than) a banana republic.

Posted by: Becky at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (kj0P/)

74 Ace... 37% in the CNN poll where he always polls in the 30s.

Harris had him at 45% two days ago.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (nqmrU)

75 AND, if all that is true, what was the purpose of shutting down the govt to begin with?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (GBteo)

76 I have a general weariness with everybody on the right who has to run with Armageddon theatre, or "Trump temporarily lost his ball sack" or say "This is what I would do" and second guess him about every single situation. They're not the President. He is.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (AllCR)

77 I guess Trump turned out to be King Solomon in this scenario. I think I read somewhere that Reagan also "caved" in a shutdown because he didn't want to see federal workers suffer. So, what it came down to here was who cared the most about the "baby," or who cared the most about federal workers and what the shutdown was doing to the country (TSA, etc.).

It's pretty obvious that the Democrats didn't care. If they really cared about federal workers, they would have tried to find some kind of compromise. So, just like DACA, it's just another group that Democrats say they care about but they really don't.

Posted by: sillyme at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (zYWPO)

78 59: Trump owns this, Kelly wad not POTUS

Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (g0yk9)

79 Congress isn't supposed to be able to react to an emergency. That's the Executive's job. What Congress is doing is refusing to allow the Executive to do his job because it would show up how Congress completely refuses to handle its responsibilities.

Congress is a massive fraud. Has been for generations now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (AM1GF)

80 Note, we are talking about funding bills in JANUARY.

Things that Congress is supposed to have done before October 1st.

They are already months late.

Posted by: Don Q at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (NgKpN)

81 Just the bullet points, for easy reference:

1. Trump and Republicans are losing support, not gaining it.

2. Trump needs a change in dynamic if he wants to come out of this with anything because his current trajectory is We're losing so much you're gonna get sick of losing.

3. Shutdowns never work for either party.

4. This was already all lost when Trump couldn't get a Republican controlled Congress to appropriate funds to build the wall.

5. Trump can't back down or he will not be reelected. But on the other hand, Nancy Pelosi can't back down or she'll lose her majority.

Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (mk9aG)

82 Wow. And he only has 648 days to rehabilitate his poll numbers in time for the election.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (RpM6k)

That's also 648 days for his opponents to talk about taxing the shit out of their wallets.

Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (mnAmV)

83 Ugh my bosses are on a huge rant about how they hate him and he won't show his tax returns and he's the worst president ever, blah blah blah. I can't get out of here fast enough. Send me your good thoughts, horde, I had a job interview this morning!

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (fzHvi)

84 Heya Mark!

We still on to put holes in paper tomorrow?

Can we imagine certain hag's faces on said pieces of paper?

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (d7Ww2)

85 Also, what polling at you looking at?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (bcbK

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That was an ABC/Ipsos poll.

Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (ffYR/)

86 Obama infested our military too.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (wGbBR)

Way before Obama

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (P4Pk9)

87 The Braveheart scene I'd prefer to relive is Mel schtupping Sophie Marceau. Ah, Sophie... But that's just me.

Posted by: Hands at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (786Ro)

88 If all these points are true, then we basically should pack it up.

If he's losing support, and the Dems are never going to negotiate, and if he doesn't get the wall he's doomed in 2020, then he's doomed either way. Nice knowing you all.

So... *shrug* Not really any point in worrying about what can't be changed, then.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (KUaJL)

89 It is all pointless in the end. Their are two significant portions of this country who despise and hold each other in contempt. A dissolution of some kind is inevitable. All that is in question is the time, scope, shape and intensity of the come apart. All of this. All of it is symptoms of an already metastatic disease that's already killed the patient.

Posted by: Cannae at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (bxtNv)

90 Third caravan 10000 strong in Mexico. Third invasion, thousands strong in three months demands military built wall. Is that the plan?

Posted by: Ever at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (1Zh0U)

91 Send me your good thoughts, horde, I had a job interview this morning!
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (fzHvi)

Good luck!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (bcbK8)

92 5. Trump can't back down or he will not be reelected. But on the other hand, Nancy Pelosi can't back down or she'll lose her majority.
*******
Trump won't back down & NP will lose Majority anyways

Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (BqBId)

93 Yeah, but Trump DID back down. And the press will
play that on eternal loop. Trump will claim some poor crappy gesture is
"a wall". Folks, I have been here at least three times before: under
Reagan, where granting citizenship was supposed to be accompanied by
real border security. IT NEVER HAPPENED. Then under GW Bush when a
WALL was actually funded and supposed to be done. Outside of San Diego
and a spot or two in Texas, IT NEVER HAPPENED. They put in ten
electronic sensors which failed within a week and called it good. Then,
later in Bush's admin, they again claimed they were building a wall and
they again received actual funding and NEVER BUILT IT. This is
surrender theater, Episode 4.

Posted by: DZouave at January 25, 2019 03:18 PM (4BFdc)

A three week reopening is not a back down. If he caves at the end of that time, it will be.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (F/KeJ)

94
Only Ace can both depress and give me hope at the same time.

Splunge, boss.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (/9p9e)

95 see drumps evil white shcool kids bullying tribal elders hurt his poll numbers!

Posted by: assault smirk at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (jhTf/)

96 I'm quite impressed, really. This is one of the most bluntly put and cogent posts ever put up here.

A lot of people may not like those hard facts, but doze is da Hard Facts of the case.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (Kpl3J)

97 Fuckin Paul Ryan.. Bastid extraordinaire...

Republicans promised to get the wall done right after the election... Trump was pushing for two years. snakes!!!!

Posted by: sOME mORON at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (ICWiF)

98 Yes! I dream of having Nancy Pelosi's succulent whip caress my buttocks! Because she has walked Trump like a yak on a chain! Yes!

Posted by: Sudden one-name troll at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (RD7QR)

99 therefore Trump has plausible justification to declare an emergency within the meaning of the statutes.

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There you go.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (aWhzp)

100
Here's President Trump's ONLY play:

-No More Pork
Veto all the Gravy spending that Congress, in both parties, request.

Force them to negotiate. Or give them Nothing.

And just get reelected in 2020 and hope for a better Congress.




Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (kgAmS)

101 That was an ABC/Ipsos poll.

Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (ffYR/)




Ipsos No-Facto?

Posted by: Bert G at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (tOP4K)

102
1. Trump had to play the shutdown card to prove he would.
2. He pushed Pelosi's face into the pavement like a playground bully. See her anywhere today? See her lately? She's totally mental. A fvcking mess.
3. Chuck and Trump decided to be the adults. Chuck knows that Trump has the Emergency Declaration card, and with proof of his eagerness to shut 'er down again, has every reason to be reasonable.
4. I saw some 'give' in Trumps position and some 'give' in Chucks.
5. That's the way the world works.
6. Sure Trump 'over-promised'. Know anyone that doesn't ask for a little more then their house is worth when they put it on the market?

I always said a wall was excessive. Two rows of fencing in maybe 75% of the area would be sufficient. Other areas, steel beams 30 feet high is required.

Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (jYje5)

103 72: Jared snd Ivanka need to go back to NYC

Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (g0yk9)

104 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (AllCR)

I have seen betrayals you can not imagine. Hawaiian judges issuing injunctions off the shoulder of Diamondhead, the bald heads of "conservative pundits" glittering on cable news shows. All these things are memories, biting into my being like acid. All will be lost. Time to sauve qui peut.


Posted by: Nickname at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (hLRSq)

105 78 59: Trump owns this, Kelly wad not POTUS
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (g0yk9)

I worked for an Admiral once, who told me 'Staff was policy'.

If your entire staff is against something, it most probably is not going to happen no matter how much you want it.

They will always find some reason why it can't or should not happen.

Think Mandarins and the Emperor of China.

Yes, Trump could have pushed more, but without the correct people on his STAFF talking to Congress, nothing was going to happen.

Posted by: Don Q at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (NgKpN)

106 84 Heya Mark!

We still on to put holes in paper tomorrow?

Can we imagine certain hag's faces on said pieces of paper?
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (d7Ww2)

Heya!

Yes. Yes we are.

And YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (bcbK8)

107 The leviathan will lumber foreword. Many, including myself have said that nothing will change until the populace rises up from their air-conditioned and drugged comfort and commits to extraordinary measures.

IOW, nothing will change until the killing begins.

Posted by: Sooner at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (Fs5vw)

108 Ace... 37% in the CNN poll where he always polls in the 30s.

Harris had him at 45% two days ago.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (nqmrU)

Though I'm sure if you only polled federal workers and their families, you'd get something like 37%....

Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (NFEMn)

109 Never take our eye off Venezuela. I know I keep beating this. There is some reports of Russian mercenaries in Venezuela now. God knows who else. I don't care about Russians in Syria, or Central Asia, but in Latin America my cold war flame relights.

Any national emergency Trump declares, I think, must use this as one of several pretexts for wall construction considering any conflict there will create at the minimum a refugee flood, and more important - The migrant caravans are funded by someone.

If foreign actors really did want to screw America that would be the best way to do it. Not some idiotic election meddling the Democrats and Rinos are dreaming of. In other words the scream of "Russia" is a double edged sword that can be turned against the Democrats and Rinos.

If they really care about Russian influence then having them use a proxy state in Latin America would the be a no go. Lets see Mitt & Co. tell us why we don't need a wall to stop Russian funded migrant caravans from swamping the U.S. border. Lets see the Democrats defend Russia again in public.

Note: The reason why I keep harping on Venezuela is it seems odd this crisis would break out right at the same time we have this shutdown and border wall fight happening. I am not sure what it means yet, I just don't think it is a fluke either.

Posted by: William Eaton at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (MuTTO)

110 Thanks Mark! I am going to shoot you an email over the weekend about the PNWMoMe. In April, right? I'm going to try to make it if I can.

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (QBy2Q)

111 85 Also, what polling at you looking at?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (bcbK

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That was an ABC/Ipsos poll.
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (ffYR/)

Thanks man

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (bcbK8)

112 Also, why the hell was this a big negative? Were there really that many people outside of government being negatively impacted? More appropriate question, according to what source?

It stinks like San Fran Nan's old Depends.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (AM1GF)

113 Chillax ace. Methinks someone high up is giving Trump really bad advice. I'll wait the three weeks and see what happens.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (vgwv+)

114 Yep, that's pretty much where I'm at.

Posted by: DocJ at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (NYS7S)

115 91 Send me your good thoughts, horde, I had a job interview this morning!
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (fzHvi)

Good luck!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (bcbK

Best of luck.

The best advice for a Moron on a job interview is: Do not, under any circumstances, be yourself. Be someone else.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (GBteo)

116 Rasmussen has Trump at 45% approval. Im calling bullshit on the other polls

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (SW5SE)

117 yeah, but, ace -- fine. If that's the true end game, then why not declare an emergency now, re-open the govt, then let the slow march through the judiciary begin today?

What's the point in waiting for 3 weeks?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (GBteo)
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Because President Trump believes the national emergency route is a flawed way to get the wall built and is doing everything in his power to avoid what he considers a "nuclear" option.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (qC1Sy)

118 If he not racist then how come he want the rest of the country to have a wall and not Puerto Rico

Posted by: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (DuAZ5)

119 But I do agree that the only way a wall gets built is to declare an emergency then win the court battle against the injunction. Neither side of Congress want that wall and will never fund it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (nqmrU)

120 What difference at this point does it make?

What I really need now is a joke about Libertarians from a member of the GOP.

Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (DfGpI)

121 Ace, as you pointed out, the Republicuck's had both houses and failed at it. That's on them. The one place I am going to fault Trump here was that he should have shut it down back then. Bad move.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (vmAQh)

122 110 Thanks Mark! I am going to shoot you an email over the weekend about the PNWMoMe. In April, right? I'm going to try to make it if I can.
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (QBy2Q)

Leaning more towards May but yes, email me for PNW MoMe and we'll get you looped in.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (bcbK8)

123 107 The leviathan will lumber foreword. Many, including myself have said that nothing will change until the populace rises up from their air-conditioned and drugged comfort and commits to extraordinary measures.

IOW, nothing will change until the killing begins.
Posted by: Sooner at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (Fs5vw)


We will all be Venezuelans. Or Vuvuzuelans. Or Vulvas. I know it's a "V" something...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (/9p9e)

124 I just wish they would quit with the tweeting and pissing contests and just get stuff done. We're starting to look like (or maybe worse than) a banana republic.
Posted by: Becky

...............

THIS. This is why shutdowns do not work. People who otherwise support Trump get weary of these things.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (so+oy)

125 Good luck to you, Jordan61!

Hopefully, all that coding training pays off!

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (qC1Sy)

126 72: Jared snd Ivanka need to go back to NYC
_____________________________________

Ivanka can stay.

At my apartment.

I'm very forgiving.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (RpM6k)

127

Bombing an aspirin factory worked for me.

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (rXie1)

128 So people who voted for Trump don't approve of the Wall they voted for?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (kgAmS)

We gotta be honest with ourselves - only a minority of voters went for Trump because of the wall. Most voted for Trump because he was Not Hillary. Hell, I did.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (Kpl3J)

129 Build the Wall!

Keep those sneaky Canucks outta Alaska!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (AURKQ)

130 I have a general weariness with everybody on the right who has to run with Armageddon theatre, or "Trump temporarily lost his ball sack" or say "This is what I would do" and second guess him about every single situation. They're not the President. He is.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (AllCR)

I still support and love him, but we have to remember he is likely just a speed bump on the highway to Fascist Hell. And that conservative resistance has to start now, not later.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (LXTiX)

131 Send me your good thoughts, horde, I had a job interview this morning!
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (fzHvi)




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Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (xa6W5)

132 Though I'm sure if you only polled federal workers and their families, you'd get something like 37%....

Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (NFEMn)



Depends on the office. In mine, it's about 87%.

Posted by: Bert G at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (tOP4K)

133 >>>75 AND, if all that is true, what was the purpose of shutting down the govt to begin with?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes a

Because Trump let the Corporate Senate Caucus and Pence convince him to sign a spending bill WITHOUT wall funding, which he was about to sign before Ann Coulter told him she'd primary him if he did.

And all of this has been trying to prove "we really weren't going to sell you out again back when we were just about to sell you out again" to the base.

there is no hope of congress appropriating money. Trump can only rely on the emergency power granted to him by statute and hope that his Supreme Court picks see it his way.

We lost the midterms. Chuck Schumer did have a point when he said, "You lost the election on this issue, you're not getting the wall."

At least not from the Democrat congress.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (PbpT7)

134 103 72: Jared snd Ivanka need to go back to NYC
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (g0yk9)

Jared can go back to NYC.

Ivanka can bunk over at my house.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (bcbK8)

135 Because President Trump believes the national emergency route is a flawed way to get the wall built and is doing everything in his power to avoid what he considers a "nuclear" option.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (qC1Sy)

The Democrats are absolutely not going to agree to wall funding in the next three weeks, so...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (GBteo)

136
We have a couple of things going for us:

We got Ginsburg.
And we have the president with the power and the willingness to fuck with the Democrats.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (kgAmS)

137 The last option - I was surprised when they pulled the 'omg! not safe for the President to do a SOTU in Congress because, not safe!' wasn't grounds for

Obviously if the President's safety can't be guaranteed a mile from the White House in the Capitol Building of our nation's capitol, things have reached kind of 'emergency' status, no?

And since that's the excuse the bitch originally trotted out was "security"...

Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (37IEG)

138 Depend on the dems to nominate a kameltoe or cory and we will rush so fast to vote that they will have to build a wall around the polling places.

Posted by: Anchovy at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (B3kya)

139 We're hitting a point of realization on the right.

* If we want change, we can't rely on elected officials to do it. They'll lie, they'll mislead, and even the fighters we elect will feel the need to cooperate with the cucks (for fear of getting nothing done at all), and thus deflect criticism of the cucks.

* A lot of our 'conservative journalists' and organizations are against us too. National Review is the lapdog of the neocons and they ally with the left, but it's beyond that. The March for Life. A good share of the Catholic Church.

* You know the one Western country that's been able to force some change in spite of their elected leadership? France with its Yellow Vests. Keep in mind what that means, especially since we're more divided as a country than they are.

Trump has to force this wall through emergency spending and the military. And if a court says 'That's a violation of your powers', at this point, he has to be willing to say 'Nice ruling. Try to enforce it.'

This should have been handled in his first hundred days.

Posted by: SecBlasphemy at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (++HLp)

140
Declare emergency now and send Army Corps of Engineers to the border. Take the air out of the Stone arrest drama.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (rXie1)

141 Trump still has an opportunity to use executive powers to get this done, and has stated he will if that's what it takes; I expect him to deliver on that.

I don't really care about the timing or the shutdown theater, but no border means no republic. The deal is "let's you and I make a representative republic and decide things by vote", not "let's decide things by vote, and when you don't have the votes you'll start counting some random fucker who wasn't part of the deal".

That doesn't fly in general, and it most certainly doesn't fly when the result of the vote is "we're going to steal two thirds of your shit".

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (eAshZ)

142 The DACA case has nothing to do with the constitutionality of DACA. All it said was that when the government makes an agreement with someone, and accepts a fee, then they are bound by that agreement.

SCOTUS didn't take the DACA case because all that was in it was basic contract law.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (1ISKN)

143 also, Mitch, via Elaine "shipping is our (Chinese) family business" wife) is tied to China (yes, to communist China). Clinton Cash explains this. Mitch after Trump was elected laughed "we're not going to build a wall" ... how silly for voters or the American people to think we are not run by the globalist mafia.


But Trump can use the bully pulpit, sell it at the SOTU, then count on SCOTUS to overrule rogue Hawaiian traitors. It is a clear POTUS power, not the same as their blockade of pipelines. And a majority of the people want border control, more American workers and with better pay.


Glen Greenwald even found Biden demanding not just more border control, but invading to track down the cartels.

https://tinyurl.com/y7su4lqd

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (Cus5s)

144 If I get this right, nobody wins the shutdown game, but Nancy is winning and Trump is losing, so he needed to cave and do the thing he said he wasn't going to do so he can do the other thing he said he wasn't going to do, but maybe he will do that thing.

The fact that he did not get this through the Republican Congress was true when this started. What changed?

I am Trump's base. He did not throw me a bone that let's me feel like he wasnt caving.


Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (9VeU0)

145 When this wall gets built, we'll still find a way to complain about it.

Tax cuts, regulations slashed, repatriation of jobs and corporate profits, two new conservative SCOTUS justices...

Making the perfect the enemy of the good is a time-honored tradition around here. "Fuck all these concrete conservative deliverables! There are still liberals in power in the US!"

Well, no shit. That's a large chunk of America, and the constitution says those shitsacks get to elect their own representatives, too.

Doesn't take much to tip you round-heeled sonsabitches over onto your backs.

Posted by: Emilio Lizardo, Ph.D. at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (SOgjZ)

146 Rasmussen has Trump at 45% approval. Im calling bullshit on the other polls
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (SW5SE)

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I was just going to post this. 37% is way too low.

Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (ffYR/)

147 the point of the shutdown is pelosi is a stupid old coot whose caucus wants a war with trump. She cannot give him anything.

Posted by: assault smirk at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (jhTf/)

148 Shutdowns never work for either party.
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They do when the press is on your side, berating the other side for "holding the government/nation hostage".

Barry got 1.2 billion in new revenue, and then again 1.6 when he said that 1.2 he asked for and received was not really enough.

The GOP House worked around the clock passing bill after bill for Harry Reid to announce it DOA (because it didn't have what Obama wanted).

Pelosi takes a vacation.....

It all depends on who has the backing of the press.

Posted by: Axeman at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (ycluG)

149 he really wants to give that state of the union

Posted by: W Garrett Bewkes IV at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (Jj+59)

150 But my take is completely different.

I think Trump was winning and decided to take a pause at "peak position" before he actually did start declining (not losing, but declining position)

He understands that pelosi can not afford to back down. Not because of their desire for open borders, (there is that too though,) but because all the dems have left is "owning the orange man" and she would not budge and her caucus would hold firm.

The problem is that the shutdown took the pressure of individuals, so none of them would vote against the party. They understand that the dem party has the formula to insure their reelection (funding, vote stealers, media,..) and without peeling off dems there was no way to win.

This pause gives pelosi a symbolic win but the Trump position on the wall has gained yardage.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (LWu6U)

151 So people who voted for Trump don't approve of the Wall they voted for?



Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (kgAmS)



We gotta be honest with ourselves - only a minority of voters went
for Trump because of the wall. Most voted for Trump because he was Not
Hillary. Hell, I did.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (Kpl3J)

It was both. I don't care how not Hillary he was, Build the Wall won him the primaries and the general.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (F/KeJ)

152 Keep those sneaky Canucks outta Alaska!

Alaska is actually Palestinian.

It was originally "Al-Asqa."

Now, get out of our homeland!

Posted by: Rashida Tlaib at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (RpM6k)

153 We lost the midterms. Chuck Schumer did have a point when he said, "You lost the election on this issue, you're not getting the wall."

At least not from the Democrat congress.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (PbpT7)

Every President loses at midterms, barring wars. We didn't lose on that issue, Chuckie's attempts to re-frame that or no.

The Wall was not an issue at election time. Maybe it should have been. Maybe Trump should have shut things down in October and MADE it a ballot issue.

Dunno. Can't change the past....well I can't. Who has the time machine keys?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (bcbK8)

154 120 What difference at this point does it make?

What I really need now is a joke about Libertarians from a member of the GOP.
Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (DfGpI)

How many libertarians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None. The lightbulb will spontaneously organize into the socket.

Posted by: Sudden one-name troll at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (RD7QR)

155 The Democrats are absolutely not going to agree to wall funding in the next three weeks, so...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (GBteo)
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Optics.

President Trump has been around the block. So far, I think the President has done pretty well, so, I'll stick with whatever plan he has. Or, if he's just making it up on the fly.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (qC1Sy)

156 Seriously guys, have you ever dealt with the Army Corps of Engineers?

There will be glaciers on our Southern border before they get a wall built.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (1ISKN)

157 We'll see in three weeks.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pre-Fab Tru-Con Brand Cuck-Sheds Now At the Outrage Outlet! at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (hLRSq)

158 Because President Trump believes the national emergency route is a flawed way to get the wall built and is doing everything in his power to avoid what he considers a "nuclear" option.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (qC1Sy)

Especially since a Judge will shoot that down faster than your head can spin and it'll stay in litigation until the 2020 elections make it a moot issue.

Be honest, we lost any chance of actually building the wall when we lost the 2018 midterm election, at least for this election cycle. The only hope is to be politically successful enough to not lose the 2020 Presidential. Because if we do lose that one, it's bye bye America.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (Kpl3J)

159 America is intensely bored by the sausage-making details of beltway politics. They just want their tribe to win, but they can't be bothered with the details.

America says, "Get back to us when the game is over and we have a winner one way or the other." No one one wants to watch the process of how this victory is achieved, any more than they want to watch an operation of a tumor being removed from their intestines. "Is it out yet? Good. Don't show me the video."

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (c+2jX)

160 1. Trump had to play the shutdown card to prove he would.
2. He pushed Pelosi's face into the pavement like a playground bully. See her anywhere today? See her lately? She's totally mental. A fvcking mess.
3. Chuck and Trump decided to be the adults. Chuck knows that Trump has the Emergency Declaration card, and with proof of his eagerness to shut 'er down again, has every reason to be reasonable.
4. I saw some 'give' in Trumps position and some 'give' in Chucks.
5. That's the way the world works.
6. Sure Trump 'over-promised'. Know anyone that doesn't ask for a little more then their house is worth when they put it on the market?

I always said a wall was excessive. Two rows of fencing in maybe 75% of the area would be sufficient. Other areas, steel beams 30 feet high is required.
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:21 PM (jYje5)

This is reasonable and I agree. The only thing that worries me is that since Chuck KNOWS Trump is going to pull that emergency card out in three weeks that they'll come up with another delaying tactic by then....
They all know that Trump is easily re-elected if he gets his "wall." But they don't want it. Something has to give.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (NFEMn)

161 Trump has earned my patience for 3 weeks.

I'll wait to render a verdict.

My guess is he won't get the money and he won't shut the govt again. So he will act on his own.

Posted by: HA at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (MAstk)

162 Because Trump let the Corporate Senate Caucus and Pence convince him to sign a spending bill WITHOUT wall funding, which he was about to sign before Ann Coulter told him she'd primary him if he did.

And all of this has been trying to prove "we really weren't going to sell you out again back when we were just about to sell you out again" to the base.

there is no hope of congress appropriating money. Trump can only rely on the emergency power granted to him by statute and hope that his Supreme Court picks see it his way.

We lost the midterms. Chuck Schumer did have a point when he said, "You lost the election on this issue, you're not getting the wall."

At least not from the Democrat congress.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (PbpT7)

In which case, he wasted valuable political capital and the threat of a shut down on what was a losing battle from the beginning.

I just don't see how this can be framed as anything other than
a) trump gave an ultimatum -- wall or shut down
2) dems called his bluff. Shut down.
III) Trump agrees to CR without wall, government reopens. BUT IF THEY DON"T NEGOTIATE, THIS TIME HE'LL BE SUPER CEREAL ABOUT SHUTTING IT DOWN AGAIN.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (GBteo)

163 121 Ace, as you pointed out, the Republicuck's had both houses and failed at it. That's on them. The one place I am going to fault Trump here was that he should have shut it down back then. Bad move.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (vmAQh)

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Dude, how in the FUCK was that supposed to work ? That would be a one party vs. itself shutdown. Exactly who was going to come out in support of this strategy ?

Quick answer: First, not one single Democrat. Not the media.

Did you not read what Ace wrote ? No shutdown succeeds. None. But somehow, a shutdown caused because Congress and POTUS of THE SAME PARTY could not agree on funding for the border ?

Holy shit.

Posted by: deadrody at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (4nL9V)

164 as for losing the midterms...

blame the liberal republicans, the suburban soccer moms, and NeverTrump for that.

Also blame the many, many republicans who are very pro-amnesty and open borders who will NOT make a strong case for border security, ceding the issue to the Democrats, and pretending to oppose open borders just enough to con their voters.

See Doc Zero's post about "passive conservatism" -- many Republican office holders are fiscally moderate and socially quite liberal, and will not actually fight for any socially conservative policies not because they're unpopular (they're no more unpopular than TPP or tax cuts for the rich) but because they themselves oppose social conservatism.

So they play this game of saying they (tepidly) support social conservative positions while making as weak a case for them as possible, and selling us out on them at every turn.

And the fact we permit people like that into office is on us, too.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (PbpT7)

165 Trump lost 2-3% in the RCP average since the shutdown began. Not great but not enough to cave either.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (O4HRe)

166 We'll see in three weeks.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pre-Fab Tru-Con Brand Cuck-Sheds Now At the Outrage Outlet! at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (hLRSq)

#three weeks

Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (NFEMn)

167 If you haven't called your Congressman or Congresswoman AND Senator in the last 30 days demanding that they support Trump's wall, stop complaining about Trump caving.

That is all.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (RpM6k)

168 Note: The reason why I keep harping on Venezuela is it seems odd this crisis would break out right at the same time we have this shutdown and border wall fight happening.

Posted by: William Eaton at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (MuTTO)

Judging by the nations involved in recognizing the real leader of Venezuela (even Trudeau?!), this has been on boil for a long time. The President could be forgiven if he wanted only one crisis on the table at a time.

I think kinetic action in Venezuela would have only strengthened his case for an emergency, but what's done is done.

Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (81uw/)

169 Wow, trolls today.

Who forgot to spray the Roundup?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (sy5kK)

170 sure, but what's the dnc house numbers?

Posted by: assault smirk at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (jhTf/)

171 And anyone using Rasmussen polls.......stop. just fucking stop. He predicted Republicans would hold the house.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (O4HRe)

172 "156
Seriously guys, have you ever dealt with the Army Corps of Engineers?



There will be glaciers on our Southern border before they get a wall built.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (1ISKN)"
...
Use reserve formations on their 2 week annual training. They go somewhere and build something in a hurry literally every year they're not deployed in a combat zone.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (eAshZ)

173 152 Keep those sneaky Canucks outta Alaska!

Alaska is actually Palestinian.

It was originally "Al-Asqa."

Now, get out of our homeland!
Posted by: Rashida Tlaib at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (RpM6k)

Himmand waljeb letting you out of your walled compound again?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (bcbK8)

174 >>>The one place I am going to fault Trump here was that he should have shut it down back then. Bad move.

i think that actually would have had SOME chance of working, rather than zero chance.

At least Republicans can be pressured by Republican voters.

Democrat office holders cannot be pressured by Republican voters.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (PbpT7)

175 We lost the midterms. Chuck Schumer did have a point when he said, "You lost the election on this issue, you're not getting the wall."

At least not from the Democrat congress.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM


Schumer using words like 'good faith' and 'we will work diligently'.

Did you hear those words? Have you heard them before?

Sorry, I think the logjam is broken.

Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (jYje5)

176 The best advice for _ANYONE_ on a job interview is: Do not, under any circumstances, be yourself. Be someone else.

FIFY.

I despise job-hunting, and HR people. Absolutely hate the whole stupid fr&ckin dancing for pennies, phony-baloney, ass-kissing, obsequious, soul-selling, jumping thru hoops like a f&cking dog, rituals.

Best thing about retirement, believe me.

Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (mk9aG)

177 Willowed from previous:

I would trade the wall for medieval grade punishment for employers that hire illegals and for politicians who enact sanctuary policies. Send the owners/CEOs/executive board members to prison and seize their personal assets. Make politicians and bureaucrats who vote for/sign/implement sanctuary policies personally liable to crime victims for any crimes committed by illegals in their jurisdictions. Make welfare illegal for non-citizens.

Start making these people feel the consequences of their actions, make illegals not worth the risk of employment, strip away all incentives to jump the border, you'll see illegal immigration come to a screeching halt and the ones who are already here will start self deporting.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (JSQcM)

178 14 "1, do the same thing which is not working

2, ???

3, profit politically, win the wall

I need to know what "2" is there."

Raising the stakes would be a good '2'. Or to keep the sportsball metaphor going, you ram harder through the enemies line or inflict injuries or cause the other side so much pain in some other way that they stop.

Just spitballing.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (bcbK


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Right. Because, using the sports analogy, that happens SO often. A team keeps trying to run the ball, but can't, so keeps trying anyhow and.... punts on 4th down.

Posted by: deadrody at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (4nL9V)

179 Trump is the only one in DC right now fighting for us. As much as we'd like, one man can't do it.

The left owns DC and all of the nation's institutional pillars. It is truly a tyrannical leviathon surrounding this man. I'm going to give him a break on this.

Posted by: Sooner at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (Fs5vw)

180
The DACA case has nothing to do with the constitutionality of DACA. All
it said was that when the government makes an agreement with someone,
and accepts a fee, then they are bound by that agreement.



SCOTUS didn't take the DACA case because all that was in it was basic contract law.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (1ISKN)

That is not what it was about. The government had no contract to allow DACA. Trump was perfectly within his rights to end it.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (F/KeJ)

181 but in general: Shutdowns never work. Never.

No one can name one that's worked, because none have.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (PbpT7)

182 >> No one can win a shutdown.


except the public


"No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session."

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (LWu6U)

183 151
We gotta be honest with ourselves - only a minority of voters went
for Trump because of the wall. Most voted for Trump because he was Not
Hillary. Hell, I did.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (Kpl3J)

It was both. I don't care how not Hillary he was, Build the Wall won him the primaries and the general.



I will vote because he's not Kamala-Toe in '20 and for all he did do and is still doing despite everything right now.

Did he cave? Depends on how you look at the big picture.

Let's see what happens in 3 weeks. I bet Palsi and Cuck are going to demand amnesty for 35 million aliens already here and no wall.

Then, Trump goes medieval. Jared notwithstanding. I trust him NOT.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (/9p9e)

184 Braveheart doesnt shtupp Sophia onscreen. Its implied. But actually she was with me. And Catherine McDonald. Im generous that way

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (n8q5o)

185
Invade Mexico?

Posted by: Sphynx at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (rXie1)

186 The "Republican" party didn't, and hasn't behaved any differently than they've been behaving for years.

Well, except now they're obstructing the President with inactivity as much as the Democrats have been actively.

All Trump did was force the bastards to lower the kabuki masks.

There's no surprise here if, as most of you have been, you've been paying attention.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (37IEG)

187 Ace, thanks for reminding us that politics involves dealing with multiple parties with varied interests and that we, the hard core base, are not the majority of voters.

Politics sucks.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at January 25, 2019 03:30 PM (9hauA)

188 172 "156
Seriously guys, have you ever dealt with the Army Corps of Engineers?



There will be glaciers on our Southern border before they get a wall built.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (1ISKN)"
...
Use reserve formations on their 2 week annual training. They go somewhere and build something in a hurry literally every year they're not deployed in a combat zone.
Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (eAshZ)

This.

And also his nic. (add in some good radio models to buy)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:30 PM (bcbK8)

189 For what it's worth, I would support the President declaring a national emergency--it is--and building the wall. It would be a very Trump thing to do. No other president could pull it off. I think he could.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2019 03:30 PM (1JpTT)

190 185
Invade Mexico?
Posted by: Sphynx at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (rXie1)


Hay Carranza!!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 03:30 PM (/9p9e)

191 democrats don't want wall to please their voters. establishment republicans don't want wall to please donors who want cheap labor. a marriage made in hell!

Posted by: ramondo at January 25, 2019 03:30 PM (7NZr4)

192 >>>The best advice for _ANYONE_ on a job interview is: Do not, under any circumstances, be yourself. Be someone else.

I found when I was podcasting that when I put on a fake persona, I felt more comfortable, because if people were judging me, they really weren't judging me, but were judging this fake persona I was doing for the show.

Know what I mean? It's less upsetting to be judged for something that's fakey-fake.

I think this might be a good psychological trick for any high-pressure social interaction.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:30 PM (PbpT7)

193 Especially since a Judge will shoot that down faster than your head can spin and it'll stay in litigation until the 2020 elections make it a moot issue.


Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM (Kpl3J)

I agree completely.

The court system moves slowly. That works in the left's favor.

District Court judge will issue a TRO.
Circuit court will hear the case, uphold the TRO.
En Banc hearing will eventually happen, upholding the TRO.
SCOTUS may or may grant cert eventually, but their calendar is usually pretty full and it takes a long time to get there.

I'm sure this has already been gamed out by the left, including which plaintiffs to use and which judges to get in front of.

That whole process, even expedited, could take years.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:30 PM (GBteo)

194 Trump and Republicans are losing support, not gaining it.
According to who though, and why? If people think Trump is weakening, he could be losing support.

The Democrats have no reason not to always seek a shutdown against the pussy Republicans, and this problem doesn't improve as the demographics of America become increasingly more lopsided towards Democrat-favoring groups.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (iTqVJ)

195 165: And he should have implemented a reduction in the federal workforce. That would have helped move this along, and middle America would have cheered

Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (g0yk9)

196 SCOTUS didn't take the DACA case because all that was in it was basic contract law.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 03:25 PM (1ISKN)

For an illegal contract.

The Contract itself was granting a subsection of the populace an exemption from the Law. Something the President does not have the power to do, unless he uses his Amnesty power, which he did not.

Posted by: Don Q at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (NgKpN)

197 We lost the midterms. Chuck Schumer did have a
point when he said, "You lost the election on this issue, you're not
getting the wall."



At least not from the Democrat congress.



Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM



Schumer using words like 'good faith' and 'we will work diligently'.



Did you hear those words? Have you heard them before?



Sorry, I think the logjam is broken.

Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (jYje5)

We did not lose the midterms on this issue. Trump's party lost fewer seats in congress than statistically is average. Schumer is a schmuck and nothing he says should be taken seriously.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (F/KeJ)

198 Just start building the damn thing. If someone asks why you're working on a wall at location x, say that that particular spot is being beefed up for drug interdiction purposes.

In the meantime keep asking Congress for $35b as if you're not building it.

Then just keep at it actually building the wall. If he had started doing this on day 1, by the end of four years a lot would have been fait accompli on the ground.

Posted by: Justice Ginsburg's NASCAR pit crew chief at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (DuAZ5)

199 Is he losing the shutdown though?

Posted by: Inogame at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (ySZHT)

200 Um, the Army Corp of Engineers aren't reservists.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (1ISKN)

201 Polls weakened his resolve. Does this mean that from now on when the majority of Americans tell a pollster that they want a wall I can tell them to kindly shut the fuck up?

Posted by: Lamont_Cranston at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (3ufaJ)

202 185
Invade Mexico?

Posted by: Sphynx at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (rXie1)
______________________________________

Seconded.

Tear up the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Redraw the border.

Name the new territory "Pershing."

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (RpM6k)

203 I welcome my new Guatemalan and Honduran overlords.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (O4HRe)

204 The Democrats are absolutely not going to agree to wall funding in the next three weeks, so...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (GBteo)
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Yeah, but they *are* the ones who said get the government running again and we'll talk about it.

If I were Trump, you'd all hate me. I'd keep paying furloughed workers their pay for sitting home, because the government can do more damage when it's paying federal workers to actually *do* things.

Steal the whole victim narrative away...

Posted by: Axeman at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (ycluG)

205 90 Third caravan 10000 strong in Mexico. Third invasion, thousands strong in three months demands military built wall. Is that the plan?
Posted by: Ever at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (1Zh0U)

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Who is funding them? I always thought Soros and people like him. Mike Pence and others have been pushing the idea that the migrant caravan is a Venezuela plot. How do we get the neo-con Republicans to stop resisting walls and border security.

Argument: Venezuela is a Russian proxy state. Along with being an Iranian, Chinese, Cuban, one as well. A national emergency order will look so much better with Russia, Iran, China, and Cuba in it. Plus Mexico is curiously slow show support for democracy in Venezuela. Why? Is it because they have a socialist in power there?

You get the point...

Posted by: William Eaton at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (MuTTO)

206 Did you not read what Ace wrote ? No shutdown succeeds. None. But somehow, a shutdown caused because Congress and POTUS of THE SAME PARTY could not agree on funding for the border ?

Holy shit.

Posted by: deadrody at January 25, 2019 03:27 PM

This POTUS is different. Nobody said there wouldn't be pain. I will give Trump the benefit of the doubt for the next few weeks. I think he maybe rope-a-doped Pelousi, I hope so anyway.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (vmAQh)

207 >>We lost the midterms. Chuck Schumer did have a point when he said, "You lost the election on this issue, you're not getting the wall."

While I don't disagree with your broader point save for the Ann Coulter thing which I think is mythology we did not lose the Senate. We gained seats.

At worst the election was a draw. But Trump wasn't going to get the money from Congress without the House and 60+ seats in the Senate.

Going nuclear was always going to happen. And the only way that is going to be received positively in the face of the Democrats and the new and sightly slimmer media obstruction is if he looks as reasonable as possible.

If they still refuse to compromise after this 3 week extension he can rightly say he gave them more than enough opportunity to meet him half way.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (/tuJf)

208 >> punishment for employers that hire illegals

tried under Reagan. It does not work, and it can not work.
Who do you think those humps talk to when they go to their home district to get reelected? Not the forgotten men - they stand around swilling cocktails with EMPLOYERS who complain about how hard it is to find cheap labor and why should they be punished and the people are already here, they might as well work.......

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (LWu6U)

209 . So, just like DACA, it's just another group that Democrats say they care about but they really don't.


Posted by: sillyme at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (zYWPO)

DACA, blacks, women, hispanics, gays, trans, Muslim, illegals, citizens, their voters........ who did I miss

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (uEbPt)

210 Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:30 PM (PbpT7)

Yeah, I agree. It worked for me well when I was in sales. I'd go in to "actor" mode.

Made taking rejection easier, and helped me overcome my natural reluctance to be "pushy" in trying to close a deal.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (GBteo)

211 193: Couples do it all the time before the wedding

Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (g0yk9)

212 I have emerged to say inarticulate things. This wombat is licentious! Yes, Drumpf is the porcelain!

Posted by: Sudden one-name troll at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (RD7QR)

213 I'm going to trust trump. He's all we have, after all.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm's PayPal at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (eUVat)

214 Wow, some of y'all need a snickers

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (jsWA8)

215
btw, you all better brace yourselves for what's going to come out of Congress in the next year: House bill passed by Democrats that will go to the Senate and be passed by with a majority of Democrats and a handful of Republicans.

That's the kind of crap bills that will be hitting the president's desk.


Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (kgAmS)

216
The Democrats are absolutely not going to agree to wall funding in the next three weeks, so...


by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (GBteo)


Events, dear boy,events.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (TAmPV)

217 We did not lose the midterms on this issue. Trump's party lost fewer seats in congress than statistically is average.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM (F/KeJ)

Plus "vote harvesting" in California and non-citizen representation on the Census is turning the concept of a republic into a very sick joke.

Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (81uw/)

218 Fuck y'all, I'm going to Brussels!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (hjaPQ)

219 We lost the midterms. Chuck Schumer did have a point when he said, "You lost the election on this issue, you're not getting the wall."

At least not from the Democrat congress.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (PbpT7)



We took both houses from Barry and the Republican Congress couldn't wait a week before presenting their baboon-in-estrus rearends for his reaming.

The red rat commie bastards of the Democratic Party are our opponents. The Republican Leadership is our enemy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (xa6W5)

220 We did not lose the midterms on this issue. Trump's party lost fewer seats in congress than statistically is average

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Not really. Avg is 20something. Trump lost 40.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (O4HRe)

221 Interestingly, your run-of-the-mill leftist doesn't even know what they "want" from this crisis. Many of them desperately demand that the shutdown be ended -- but the whole point is that their leaders (Pelosi et al.) WANT the shutdown to continue, because they think it brings them good politic optics. So when activists say, "Write to Congress and demand they reopen the government!!!" to whom are they suggesting that the Dem voters write? To Pelosi? She LOVES the shutdown, so writing to her will do no good. Obviously writing to Trump will do no good. So -- who? No one.

People can't grasp the distinction between "Doing what's best fort he country" and "Doing what gains political points for our side." So they're all confused.

Nancy Pelosi is like some old-time Soviet bureaucrat who will intentionally cause a famine just so they can blame the famine on scapegoats and enemies, thus INCREASING support for the government. It's a classic cyincal ploy, and Pelosi is the current grandmaster of the gimmick.

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (c+2jX)

222 I don't like Presidents declaring "national emergencies" for large infrastructure projects.

I do however like Presidents asserting their Executive authority to undo prior Executive Orders, regardless of what any Court says, and taking down DACA root and branch.

Also I'm all in on President's nationalizing the Guard to assist in border enforcement.

And also prosecuting those aiding and abetting violation of federal immigration law that clearly pre empts State law, including anyone claiming "sanctuary" status.

I'm also quite in favor of a President establishing rules to sort those who have any potential claim of "refugee" status from those who don't such that those who do not even articulate a grounds for amnesty based on a reason (as opposed to "I claim amnesty/magic words) are detained and, when sufficient numbers obtained, sent back en masse to country of origin.

There are quite a few levers of power to use without distorting the Constitution any further.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (koNhm)

223 53 well trump is down to 37% approval.

45% on Ras
Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (P4Pk9)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Strongly disapprove is up from 39% in December to 48% currently. There is no pretending that's not true.

Posted by: deadrody at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (4nL9V)

224 If they still refuse to compromise after this 3 week extension he can rightly say he gave them more than enough opportunity to meet him half way.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (/tuJf)

But did he follow the Good and Plenty Clause.

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (uEbPt)

225 Did you not read what Ace wrote ? No shutdown succeeds. None.
Democrats have always won them, so they certainly can succeed for somone. If you are saying Republicans can never win, why be one? Why participate in a system in which you are guaranteed to lose by degree?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2019 03:34 PM (iTqVJ)

226 confiscate the property along the wall-less border for an Army bases and establish live fire training at the border. targets welcome.

Posted by: close the border at January 25, 2019 03:34 PM (Wa5hI)

227 Note: The reason why I keep harping on Venezuela is it seems odd this crisis would break out right at the same time we have this shutdown and border wall fight happening. I am not sure what it means yet, I just don't think it is a fluke either.
Posted by: William Eaton at January 25, 2019 03:22 PM (MuTTO)

It could just be a coincidence, but I share your concern about Venezuela and Russians. This could be big.
Btw, is the "Monroe Doctrine" still a thing? Or did Obama quietly get rid of it with an Executive Order?

Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 03:34 PM (NFEMn)

228 My take:

None of this means anything unless or until Trump tells the next Hawaiian judge to take his injunction and cram it up his ass.

We can deal with one chamber of Congress being run by Nancy Pelosi's corpse.

We cannot deal with the legitimate law-making branches of government being overruled by a judiciary that has been overstepping its bounds since Marbury vs. Madison, and will continue to do so unless Trump, or someone, finally asks, "How many divisions does your ruling have?"

Posted by: Dr. T at January 25, 2019 03:34 PM (7nZdn)

229 >>>We did not lose the midterms on this issue. Trump's party lost fewer seats in congress than statistically is average. Schumer is a schmuck and nothing he says should be taken seriously.


but we still lost. That's why the House is now controlled by the open borders fruitcake Nancy Pelosi instead of the open borders fruitcake Paul Ryan.

You can say things like "We only lost the historical average of losing" but I see the word "lose" in there a few times.

We lost the house. that is one of the two houses we need to pass legislation.

This is not complicated. We do not have one of the things we need. Because we lost it. Whatever way you want to say it, we lost it.

it's not ours.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (PbpT7)

230 The best advice for a Moron on a job interview is: Do not, under any circumstances, be yourself. Be someone else.
-----
Unless you can be Batman. Then be Batman.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (Hx3Yn)

231 We gained seats. 

If they still refuse to compromise after this 3 week extension he can rightly say he gave them more than enough opportunity to meet him half way.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 03:32 PM (/tuJf)

The quality of the Senate is improved. Not as much as we need, but better.

Giving the Dems opportunity to be decent humans is worth a latte at Starbucks, if you add four dollars.

Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (81uw/)

232 Looks like I picked a good day to binge watch Cat's Eye since I have no clue what is going on.

Well besides people with their hair on fire.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (gCyFN)

233 btw, if the president allows Pelosi to use military aircraft and personnel, I will be very angry.


Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (kgAmS)

234 Just remember Buzzfeed and Huffpo firings!

We were so happy then.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (1ISKN)

235 "We did not lose Vietnam. It was a tie!"

Sorry, OT maybe but I was reminded of 'A Fish Called Wanda'.

Good for laughs, recommended.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (bcbK8)

236 "I think this might be a good psychological trick for any high-pressure social interaction." It's good advice, but I just don't have a single ass-kissing bone in my body. It cost me in my career trajectory, for sure. Thanks!

Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (mk9aG)

237 Or the other analogy could be a stalemate arm wrestling match. You don't really know how close the other side is to giving up .

Either way, what's done is done in this battle and Trump needs our continued support to prevent us from losing the war.

( don't stop prepping in case we lose)

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (VeUrT)

238 Ya know, if you don't have to explain "Bridges to no-where" that are being built in East Mohammed Alaska, you probably wouldn't have to explain a wall you were building on the border out in West Mohammed Texas.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (37IEG)

239
Strongly disapprove is up from 39% in December to 48% currently. There is no pretending that's not true.
Posted by: deadrody at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (4nL9V)


Polls are truth?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (TAmPV)

240 @222 "Nancy Pelosi is like some old-time Soviet bureaucrat who will intentionally cause a famine just so they can blame the famine on scapegoats and enemies, thus INCREASING support for the government. It's a classic cyincal ploy, and Pelosi is the current grandmaster of the gimmick. --Zombie"

Quite true. And Trump! is the ultimate scapegoat. A scapegoat of one. Emmanuel Goldstein. We would all be living in progressive heaven except for that evil Trump!

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (koNhm)

241 Alright. I'm out. None of this argument here is productive, so I'm signing off for the weekend.

Ace, thanks for everything. You were on fire this week.

See everyone again on Monday.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (KUaJL)

242 Ace is clickbaiting

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (FTPVM)

243 Sadly, thanks to 30 years of an open border the country is no longer American. And non non-American voters don't want a wall or any border enforcement. And they now number into the tens of millions of voters. Add to them the socialists and free shit army and you have a majority.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (O4HRe)

244 154-Thanks.

Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (DfGpI)

245 We did not lose the midterms on this issue. Trump's party lost fewer seats in congress than statistically is average. Schumer is a schmuck and nothing he says should be taken seriously.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:31 PM


Something like 30 (R)'s bailed on running for reelection for the House. So Schumer was full of shit. But I heard something different today. I'm the kind of person who turns his back to the video and really, really processes the words I hear. Faces are terrible for the mind to process concurrently with words.

Two different conflicting things happening.

Nancy and Chuck giving a speech now. Chuck taking over.

Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (jYje5)

246 Build the Wall!

Keep those sneaky Canucks outta Alaska!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (AURKQ)
.........

Yeah? Good... keep those weirdo Eskimos outta the Yukon!

Posted by: Dudley Do-Right at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (v0R5T)

247 Have we passed a budget yet?

If not, Obama's almost $1 trillion "stimulus" money is still out there waiting to be spent, right?

Posted by: Chief Moron Robbie, Vietnam Ford Ranger at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (0NAbP)

248 Btw, is the "Monroe Doctrine" still a thing? Or did Obama quietly get rid of it with an Executive Order?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 03:34 PM (NFEMn)

Then SecState John Kerry publicly repudiated the Monroe Doctrine in a speech to a bunch of South and Central American representatives at an OAS conference.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (1JpTT)

249 233 Looks like I picked a good day to binge watch Cat's Eye since I have no clue what is going on.

Well besides people with their hair on fire.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (gCyFN)

You're not missing anything Anna. You're better off with your show and a stiff drink.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (RD7QR)

250 What are we up to now, anyway? $7 trillion or so stimulated?

Posted by: Chief Moron Robbie, Vietnam Ford Ranger at January 25, 2019 03:37 PM (0NAbP)

251 >>Giving the Dems opportunity to be decent humans is worth a latte at Starbucks, if you add four dollars.

Trump isn't playing to you and me. This is for the people who are still persuadable.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 03:37 PM (/tuJf)

252 Making the perfect the enemy of the good is a time-honored tradition around here.
I think you're missing the part of No wall, No Trump Re-election. That is what is driving many people, not just a wall, but a Kamala Commie Presidency.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 03:37 PM (r+sAi)

253 221 Not really. Avg is 20something. Trump lost 40.
no republicans did. a lot of assholes lost. Tx32 sessions was a Trump supporter only to his face. he is gone. Allred is liberal wildcard.

Posted by: close the border at January 25, 2019 03:37 PM (Wa5hI)

254 36
well trump is down to 37% approval.

And you think this is because of the shutdown?

So people who voted for Trump don't approve of the Wall they voted for?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (kgAmS)

No most want it, they just don't want it if the price is a shutdown. People don't seem to understand this point. If I ask if you would like some chocolate cake and you say "Sure" but then I tell you that the price of the cake is a kick in the groin you would likely decide you didn't want the cake all that much.

Posted by: Lamont_Cranston at January 25, 2019 03:37 PM (3ufaJ)

255 God I hate Paul Ryan. THAT was the real coup against conservatives; getting him in as Speaker for all these years.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 25, 2019 03:37 PM (GMm7B)

256 Schmuck and Lugosi up gloating. The government reopens without any conditions. The funding agreement endorses the Democratic position. Hopefully Trump has learned his lesson

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2019 03:38 PM (OLCnA)

257 Not really. Avg is 20something. Trump lost 40.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (O4HRe)
---
What's the average for retiring incumbents? Because we set the record for that.

We didn't lose 40 incumbent seats, and you know it.

Posted by: Axeman at January 25, 2019 03:38 PM (ycluG)

258 256: And he'd have been easier to bend than Pelosi

Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:38 PM (g0yk9)

259 We're gonna win so much, you'll get tired of winning!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 25, 2019 03:38 PM (hjaPQ)

260
well trump is down to 37% approval.

Sure he is.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (TAmPV)

261
Nancy even sounds conciliatory.

Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (jYje5)

262 Trump doesn't like the imperial presidency. He's demonstrated time and again that he'd prefer Congress to take action versus executive authority. It's not surprising that he'd agree to a three-week reprieve if there was the possibility of getting Congress to approve something.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (wCmLp)

263 My take on the "cave:" disappointing, but too early for seppuku yet. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.

I think I must have been wrong in judging the shutdown as good for our side among ordinary voters. I guess your average joe on the street must care more about poor furloughed govt workers than I imagined.

Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (mk9aG)

264 We took both houses from Barry and the Republican Congress couldn't wait a week before presenting their baboon-in-estrus rearends for his reaming.

The red rat commie bastards of the Democratic Party are our opponents. The Republican Leadership is our enemy.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (xa6W5)

Right. It's just been one thing after another with these assholes for a lonnnggg time.

It seems that the D's can get a lot done with only a slight majority in one house of Congress.

But I don't remember Boehner being able to get a whole lot done when the R's were in the same boat back in 2010.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (GBteo)

265 My dream SOTU:

"I'd like to start by thanking our great veterans and members of the Armed Services - they're fantastic, really the best - for all they do for this country, their unwavering patriotism, and their devotion to our wonderful Constitution!

But sadly not everyone in our government shares that devotion... you all know who I'm talking about - Chuck, Nancy, many others across this nation - people who care only about their power, their money, their exalted position above you, the fine American people.

It's sad. It's sad we've come to this point. The shutdown, the hatred of our border and the American workers who want - need - it secured. The witch hunts against me and my staff and my voters. The lies. The betrayals. The fake news.

It's tragic, people. You know it's true! It really is.

It's... an emergency.

And it's why I'm declaring a state of emergency, and I'm shutting down the government - it's the only way we can Make. America. Great. Again!

As your President, I hereby ask all my voters, and everyone who loves this great land, to seize power by force of arms. As Commander in Chief, I order all military units loyal to the United States to assist in this rebellion, and all others to stand down on pain of death.

Thank you, and God Bless America."

Posted by: Eternal Optimist at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (jHKl7)

266 257 Schmuck and Lugosi up gloating. The government reopens without any conditions. The funding agreement endorses the Democratic position. Hopefully Trump has learned his lesson
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2019 03:38 PM (OLCnA)

... let's see if Trump pops back up in a few minutes to say "That wasn't the deal, liars. Shut it the f*ck down. Nuclear Mode in 5...4...3..."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (AURKQ)

267 We have to get actual border security, period. No matter how we get there. But folks, we had better get damned serious about the current and near-term condition of the Republic. Their plan is to extinguish you, and are relentless in pursuit of that goal. They can't really say why, and mostly don't know why except to regurgitate the propagandistic soy-based pabulum their I phones and cult leaders feed them on a virtually 24×7 basis.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (mIJ9W)

268 If anything, we have learned once again (the hard way) that the GOP is not our friend, does not represent us can can go to hell for all I care.This wall should have been funded before the Dems took the House. Period. Remember this as we get closer to 2020 and House GOP members come looking for your vote. And for any Senators up for re-election.We have gained nothing even by increasing the majority in the Senate. (I will retract that statement if/when RBG dies and I see Amy Barrett successfully installed in SCOTUS).

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (jxbfJ)

269
No most want it, they just don't want it if the price is a shutdown. People don't seem to understand this point. If I ask if you would like some chocolate cake and you say "Sure" but then I tell you that the price of the cake is a kick in the groin you would likely decide you didn't want the cake all that much.
Posted by: Lamont_Cranston at January 25, 2019 03:37 PM (3ufaJ)


Good point.

Reality is the cake costs $4 but msm is telling people it's a kick in the groin.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 03:40 PM (O4HRe)

270 My go-to persona for public speaking is Anthony Jeselnik. Aloof and dry, narcissistic verging on sociopathy, with lots of jokes. It wouldn't play in a job interview, but it kills in a teaching situation.

Posted by: Xander Crews at January 25, 2019 03:40 PM (miXS6)

271 If Trump has to declare a national emergency in order to get the wall and does the whole (dying hill) landscape will be altered.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 25, 2019 03:40 PM (ePWRo)

272
Nancy also sounds as shaky as hell.

Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:40 PM (jYje5)

273 Hopefully Trump will continue to put the kabosh on any CODELs. Preferably immediately after they are on the bus and it has pulled away from the curb.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 25, 2019 03:41 PM (jxbfJ)

274 271 My go-to persona for public speaking is Anthony Jeselnik. Aloof and dry, narcissistic verging on sociopathy, with lots of jokes. It wouldn't play in a job interview, but it kills in a teaching situation.
Posted by: Xander Crews at January 25, 2019 03:40 PM (miXS6)

"My girlfriend makes me want to be a better person..."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 25, 2019 03:41 PM (AURKQ)

275 29 We really should have pressed for privatization of ATC and a lot of other crap that the _government_ doesn't need to do. Used it as a "teachable moment."

Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (mk9aG)

_____


Great point -- bears repeating.

Posted by: ShainS -- Registered Hat Offender at January 25, 2019 03:41 PM (RjT9g)

276 Hey - we reached a shutdown agreement!

But we already shut down.

Why did they need to agree


Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:41 PM (37IEG)

277
Posted by: Brak Mak

Someone get rid of this cuck.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 03:41 PM (kgAmS)

278 *peers in*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 03:41 PM (ptqGC)

279 Have we passed a budget yet?

If not, Obama's almost $1 trillion "stimulus" money is still out there waiting to be spent, right?
Posted by: Chief Moron Robbie, Vietnam Ford Ranger at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (0NAbP)

----------------------

Not exactly, but this is why we have gotten CRs and not budgets since 2009. No one on either side of the aisle wants to give up that baked in $800 billion/year.

Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 03:41 PM (ffYR/)

280
Nancy repeating herself.

Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:41 PM (jYje5)

281 @266 yep.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at January 25, 2019 03:42 PM (mIJ9W)

282 263 Trump doesn't like the imperial presidency. He's demonstrated time and again that he'd prefer Congress to take action versus executive authority. It's not surprising that he'd agree to a three-week reprieve if there was the possibility of getting Congress to approve something.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (wCmLp)

He also knows that there's a 50/50 chance that SCOTUS would knock it down anyways.

To be intellectually consistent, textualists on the court can't say "well, when the constitution says all spending must originate in the house, it means something other than that. Penumbras and emanations, if you will."

It's not a good strategy, and frankly if I were on the Supreme Court, I'd smack that down in 2 seconds flat regardless of who the president was.

Because even if I accept that there may be crazy extenuating circumstances where a president MUST spend money congress didn't expressly authorize, this is not one of them -- he went to Congress and asked for the money, they said no.

That's kind of the end of the story.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:42 PM (GBteo)

283 Don Surber (donsurber.blogspot.com) has a better analysis.

"President Trump and congressional leaders agreed to kick the can down
the road to give them time to reach a deal on funding another section of
the wall along our Mexican border.


"This is a major step because it shows Nancy is cracking under pressure
from within her party."

Posted by: lyn5 at January 25, 2019 03:42 PM (FtWh+)

284 Agree in part, disagree in part. If your analysis is correct, and this part seems correct, Trump either declares a national emergency or loses re-election. It's that simple. Also agree this should have been pushed the last two years.

I don't agree we were "losing," and if shutdowns "don't work," it's only because the public doesn't give a damn, which both bolsters your point about efficacy yet undermines it. Maybe Trump was concerned the shutdown was about to impact the public enough to make them care and disprove. We weren't there, though.


Trump needs to hammer the case he made today at the SOTU, and follow through with a national emergency. It's larger than him and the only way we will have a semblance of a country and/or a peaceful dissolution of the United States. It's also that simple.


No need to pretend today was a good day. It wasn't, and it was the worse day of Trump's presidency.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 25, 2019 03:42 PM (iw59Q)

285 Yes Madame Speaker, my anus yearns for your strap-on of justice! Bring me pain and wokeness!

Posted by: Sudden one-name troll at January 25, 2019 03:42 PM (RD7QR)

286 Ah fvck Babble Nancy! (Not literally!!!)

Just BUILD THE DAMN WALL NOW.

Posted by: tux at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (wNN8A)

287 Can't say I'm not disappointed...Not sure there was anything else he could do except call it a National emergency and we all know the Hawaiian judge would stop that...

Posted by: It's me donna at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (O2RFr)

288
Nancy is repeating stuff like three times, even four. Nope, the fifth time.

Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (jYje5)

289 I'll obviously keep supporting Trump, but this whole thing was over before it started.

Pelosi is not up for a national election in 2 years, Trump is. Shutdowns always favor Democrats.

This idea Trump is always the smartest man in the room is not what I signed on for.

he should have just played the national emergency card from the get go, or just installed the military on the border of this actually about keeping people out.

Oh well, I guess we go to see once again how little we need the federal government.

Posted by: Blago at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (UfkIY)

290 Trump isn't playing to you and me. This is for the people who are still persuadable.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 03:37 PM (/tuJf)

Kind of felt like the shutdown was playing to the base. If it's popular and working, keep doing it. If it wasn't popular, why start?

You'd have the devil's own time persuading me that the President will bend on issues like amnesty or Obamacare, but the fact is he hasn't vetoed a CR yet. That has caused him, and us, quite a few problems.

Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (81uw/)

291 A.) Who gives a hoot what Trump's poll numbers are. Do you need someone to tell you what to think of Trump? Polls change.

2.) Our government is irrevocably broken. We make the English parliament look sane. There doesn't seem to be a fix to this unless it's from outside forces.

iii.) Best we can hope for is Trump winning the court of public opinion and forcing their hands on some key issues. But given the hatred for this man who fights, I doubt that. He will have to pick his battles.

F.) I think the US needs a good lesson in civics and how out government is supposed to work. That is, Trump needs to seriously start using his power of the Executive Branch. Dust off the Constitutional lawyers and get to work.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (pUDQf)

292 P.S. Did NR send their cucks here?

Posted by: lyn5 at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (FtWh+)

293 # 1 We gonna lose a lot more now

#2 WTF

#3 not up on current events

#4 Fucking shocker

#5 Pelosi hasnt backed down, Trump has been PUTZED 2 max


please tell me u got more

Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (L/iaS)

294 "145 Making the perfect the enemy of the good is a time-honored tradition around here"

When the fuck has there been anything good offered by the GOP? Gay marriage is legal, killing babies a minute before birth is legal, smirking while white is a facecrime. And I'm supposed to be happy because the corporations that tell us we're toxic men have fewer regulations?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2019 03:44 PM (iTqVJ)

295
Not exactly, but this is why we have gotten CRs
and not budgets since 2009. No one on either side of the aisle wants to
give up that baked in $800 billion/year.

Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 03:41 PM (ffYR/)
What they don't want to do is actually account for the flucking money they're throwing around.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:44 PM (37IEG)

296 Can't say I'm not disappointed...Not sure there was anything else he could do except call it a National emergency and we all know the Hawaiian judge would stop that...
Posted by: It's me donna

________

Hawaiian judge would stop it if it was passed into law through Congress. keystone pipeline is still being held up.

Posted by: Blago at January 25, 2019 03:44 PM (UfkIY)

297 285 Don Surber (donsurber.blogspot.com) has a better analysis.

"President Trump and congressional leaders agreed to kick the can down
the road to give them time to reach a deal on funding another section of
the wall along our Mexican border.


"This is a major step because it shows Nancy is cracking under pressure
from within her party."
Posted by: lyn5 at January 25, 2019 03:42 PM (FtWh+)

Thanks. Don Surber is Quality.

You'll never catch him palling around with Himmand Waljeb

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:44 PM (bcbK8)

298 Didn't the R's pickup seats after the last shutdown?

I'm also not seeing any reliable polling showing that Trump is losing specifically on this issue. If I've missed it, could someone point to some specific data on this?

I'm not sure how "there's no way to ever get what we want" isn't just another passive conservative outlook.

What I'm seeing is that despite all the talk about the media being "dead", they're still accomplishing their primary mission as political activists. Well, that and the Rs in the Legislature are the real problem.

Posted by: McLurkerson at January 25, 2019 03:44 PM (zHVM/)

299 I think Trumps intent is to drive a wedge in the Democrats. Several Dems have gone in front of cameras and said that they will negotiate funding for the security fence/wall after the government is reopened. Now they are going to have to admit that was a lie, or they will have to go against PalsyPelosi.

Also, Doesn't this mean that Trump can give the SOTU address now that the House is safe? Go directly back to the people yet again to put the issue in the public's face?

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at January 25, 2019 03:44 PM (af5xa)

300 249 Btw, is the "Monroe Doctrine" still a thing? Or did Obama quietly get rid of it with an Executive Order?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 03:34 PM (NFEMn)
______________________________________

Not since she killed herself after schtupping Kennedy.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:44 PM (RpM6k)

301 I keep stepping in troll shit. Who left the gate open??

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (pUDQf)

302 To paraphrase Jonah Goldberg's brilliant essay on the Macguffinization of politics...

The left turns everything into a morality tale. Their current narrative is that Trump is an evil Bullyhitler. So this WILL be spun as oh look Nancy persists and is brave and stands up to the Bully! Nancy won, yaaay! And I will gag a little.

Does not matter that what it really shows is Trump is NOT the Hitler monster they paint him as. He is reasonable and willing to negotiate. Nancy is as big a bully as anyone in DC. But the LIVs will never know that.

Posted by: LizLem at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (hvf9s)

303 Without the wall nothing else matters. Sure Trump might lose the election in two years, but the country is lost in 10-15 without ending the stream of illegals.

Posted by: Chief Moron Robbie, Vietnam Ford Ranger at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (0NAbP)

304
Nancy, "I don't get your question?'' She's confused.

Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (jYje5)

305 I'm going to trust trump. He's all we have, after all.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm's PayPal at January 25, 2019 03:33 PM (eUVat)

Me too, but I think it's time to buy another gun. And ammo of course.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (LXTiX)

306 303
I keep stepping in troll shit. Who left the gate open??

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (pUDQf)
No wall.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (37IEG)

307 ace is making the case that no way was Trump ever going to win this shutdown thing.

If so, why did he start it?

Because if he was never going to win, and in the end he was going to have to cave, the cost is pretty high.

Might as well have signed the CR before Christmas.




Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (9VeU0)

308 292 Spin it all you want Ace.

Pelosi owns Trump's balls.

Posted by: Trump's got no balls at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (Ec206)
____________________________________

Who's president today?

Who's going to president tomorrow?

Okay. Just checking.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (RpM6k)

309 @kerpen 25 minutes ago

No State of the Union Tuesday. Maybe the following Tuesday.

Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (cF8AT)

310 I guess your average joe on the street must care more about poor furloughed govt workers than I imagined. Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (mk9aG)

The poor dear who couldn't afford to buy tampons-just makes me weep, weep, I tell you-copious and heart wrenching tears. When I heard that I lost my appetite and was unable to sleep. Anyone not moved by that story is a monster!!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein's more literate sister at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (AllCR)

311 My goodness, there is an awful lot of projecting going on - all the hopes and fears of the Moron Horde on display.

I guess that is nice work, but you are still going to have to wait to see what the next moves are in this tussle.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pre-Fab Tru-Con Brand Cuck-Sheds Now At the Outrage Outlet! at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (hLRSq)

312 296 P.S. Did NR send their cucks here?
Posted by: lyn5 at January 25, 2019 03:43 PM (FtWh+)

No! We are totally not obsessed with testicles and NRO! Although we savor Chuck Schumer's drooping ballsack!

Posted by: Sudden one-name troll at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (RD7QR)

313
I can't believe all the hand wringing over a three week extension.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (TAmPV)

314 *strips naked*
*lathers in warm baby oil*
*sets pubes on fire and bounces titties around*

Posted by: Lisa Ann at January 25, 2019 03:46 PM (/LX46)

315
Fuck you! War!


Sure mis Breitbart

Posted by: Yo! at January 25, 2019 03:46 PM (1XAal)

316

Cede NOTHING.

This is a country that is at stake.

The most exceptional on the planet, populated by an extraordinary people.

We are such by virtue of adherence to a political system unique in the world.

The progressive filth cannot be allowed victory and the ultimate result of ANY socialist system--utter failure.

Stay strong and do not doubt your cause.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2019 03:46 PM (S/hVx)

317 I'm going to give this 48hrs to shake out but, on the surface, it appears disappointing.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 25, 2019 03:46 PM (xa6W5)

318 Because even if I accept that there may be crazy extenuating
circumstances where a president MUST spend money congress didn't
expressly authorize, this is not one of them -- he went to Congress and
asked for the money, they said no.



That's kind of the end of the story.
---
Then the country is over.

The savages stay and will continue to receive unlimited reinforcements and they will all vote democrat. And if you're a white man, you'll be at the step Churchill described where all you can do is fight and die in a losing battle rather than submit to slavery.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (kOpft)

319 Righteous rant, ace. It resonates here.

But game it out. You should be very good at this.

The shutdown has been a nuisance for a lot of people. They now have three weeks to get their government business done. Win.

Trump delivers the SOTU in Nancy's chamber. Remember, this is one of the last things Pelosi wants. She's already stopped it once. (And what are the odds she may do it again?) Win.

Pelosi continues her intransigence and refuses to sign any deal. Trump declares a SOE and we get our wall. BIG WIN


I know. This whole thing makes me queasy, too. I was late to the Trump train and am now an uneasy rider. But this does make some sense.



Posted by: creeper at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (ey3Yt)

320 315
*strips naked*

*lathers in warm baby oil*

*sets pubes on fire and bounces titties around*

Posted by: Lisa Ann at January 25, 2019 03:46 PM (/LX46)
You were doing okay until the fire started.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (37IEG)

321 Trump has been winning for weeks. Now all of the sudden he's a losing loser who lost?

Talk about whiplash.

The man has a plan. A little trust maybe.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (pUDQf)

322 Hmmmm.....

Spitballing here...

What if Trump is angling for pathos? Intentional Failure, but with a different end in mind than traditional GOPe kabukikake?

"I tried to negotiate with both parties. I have failed. And I cannot, in good conscience, mutilate the forms of Government just to get what I want, as so many other recent Presidents would do. So, to that end, i am leaving the Republican party and establishing a new (XYZ whatever) Party to lead America forward into greatness. We may not find any solutions in this term with the bitter intransigence on display, but in 2020..."

yadda yadda yadda i'm sick of typing. But yeah, you get what I mean.
... just an idea.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (AURKQ)

323 so how is it we know trump is loosing support ... don't tell me it's those polls, the ones that no one would ever fudge for political gain is it?

Posted by: DXO at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (nzKWW)

324 >>Kind of felt like the shutdown was playing to the base. If it's popular and working, keep doing it. If it wasn't popular, why start?

For how long? Pelosi wasn't going to cave, she didn't have to. The media has her back. So what's the end game there?

Trump bluffed, she called it, and now he's moving on to the next phase.

He hasn't gotten a wall yet. Nancy hasn't gotten anything either. We are back to the status quo ante with a 3 week clock. That's all that's happened.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (/tuJf)

325 Our friends from ATL are late because "Savannah traffic is horrible!"

Lol.

As far as Nancy goes, she'd give birth to and sacrifice her own baby on the Capitol steps if she was able.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (ptqGC)

326 PS, F00ck the polls saying the numbers are going down.

I saw the questions they asked and there isn't enough granularity to divine which side of the argument the public is on when they say "The shut down should be ended". Ended by whom and by their doing what exactly? Ended by Trump by declaring an emergency and funding it through the executive?

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (af5xa)

327 121 Ace, as you pointed out, the Republicuck's had both houses and failed at it. That's on them. The one place I am going to fault Trump here was that he should have shut it down back then. Bad move.

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Didn't trump ensure the military got the funding they needed so wouldn't be risked in a shutdown? I thought that was the whole point. (please correct me, I'm not confident of this)

Posted by: Inogame at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (ySZHT)

328 We have always said that Trump wasn't the savior, only the stop gap so we had time to prep, and lay in ammo and food.

Because we ain't voting our way out of this.

This bitch is gonna burn on her own.
Too many pieces of the pie demanding theirs.

The pie ain't that big.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (QFqpA)

329 Me too, but I think it's time to buy another gun. And ammo of course.



I need to sell some bolt guns... to make room for more semiautos.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (xa6W5)

330 I don't know why he caved. His base didn't want him to.

*glares at white college educated soccer mom's and white girls*

Posted by: literally serious at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (/LX46)

331 "If a stopgap spending bill is passed and signed on Friday, it will reopen the government on the 35th day of the impasse."
........

What a joke.
#threeweeks

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (v0R5T)

332 The only strategy I see to agreeing to this 3 week reopening is to get the fed workers their money and back pay.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (VeUrT)

333 No State of the Union Tuesday. Maybe the following Tuesday.
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (cF8AT)

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I don't care about no god damn SOTU.

Posted by: MAGA at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (KLw72)

334 No State of the Union Tuesday. Maybe the following Tuesday.
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (cF8AT)


First rule of puppy training, you are the boss

puppy goes out when u tell it 2 go out

Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (L/iaS)

335 320 315
*strips naked*

*lathers in warm baby oil*

*sets pubes on fire and bounces titties around*

Posted by: Lisa Ann at January 25, 2019 03:46 PM (/LX46)
You were doing okay until the fire started.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (37IEG)

I'm still in.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (bcbK8)

336 The State of the Union will be an interesting check point. Will it be a disaster? Will the Dems have a total freak out and go ballistic? Will there be screaming and chaos?

Posted by: Max Power at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (q177U)

337 I can't believe all the hand wringing over a three week extension.

I think it's the combination of all the shit... The Catholic racist MAGA hat wearing boys, the Gestapo raid on Stone and this... I mean will we ever see anyone of the real criminals brought to justice... It's depressing

Posted by: It's me donna at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (O2RFr)

338 I have to be honest, the flood of trolls makes me support the President all the more, no matter what quibble I have with his plan.

Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 03:49 PM (81uw/)

339 Trolls are talking like Pelosi won something. What did she win?

Nothing.

She has nothing more today than she had yesterday because she simply was negotiating for a "no."

A fucking parakeet can negotiate for "no."

That's amateurish.

Trump will win in the long game.

She will not be in the gallery at his 2021 inauguration.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:49 PM (RpM6k)

340 Honest questions: Are those of you who make up Trump's base really going to abandon him over the wall? Sure it was a campaign promise, but it was never going to happen. I'm asking a somewhat of an outsider as I was essentially NeverTrump until he got the nom, at which time he got my general election vote. He'd get it again, wall or not, over anybody the Democrats put up.

Posted by: Xander Crews at January 25, 2019 03:49 PM (miXS6)

341 My prediction:

I three weeks the Dems still haven't agreed to a damned thing, and PDT declares an emergency and begins building the wall.

Dems and GOPe set their hair on fire, and run around screaming.

At least that's what I hope happens.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 03:49 PM (ptqGC)

342 Heh - the SOTU - flucked.
I don't need to have smoke blown up my ass by a politician to know that.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:49 PM (37IEG)

343 Since Nancy brays that she is all for border security, what does that ACTUALLY mean in her mind? Because manning the border with little drones or little chain link fences means nothing to a 1000K+ caravan of invader migrants, unless you affix little lasers on top of them and fire at will.

How do you actually have border security without a frikkin' wall?

Posted by: LizLem at January 25, 2019 03:49 PM (hvf9s)

344 328
We have always said that Trump wasn't the savior, only the stop gap so we had time to prep, and lay in ammo and food.



Because we ain't voting our way out of this.



This bitch is gonna burn on her own.

Too many pieces of the pie demanding theirs.



The pie ain't that big.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (QFqpA)
The Tea Party was us asking nicely to straighten out.Trump is us saying Enough and punching back.
Strike 3 is the fight over the pie as alluded to above by rickb223. And that fight, I fear, will be violent.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (jxbfJ)

345 Is congressional approval up or something? That's the only thing - absent specific national polling on the shutdown - that would indicate to me that the shutdown isn't working.

And we lost the midterms? Historically speaking, I'm fairly certain the outparty's House pickup was low and the inparty's Senate gain was unprecedented.

Posted by: McLurkerson at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (zHVM/)

346 Oh Chuck, your salty, salty testicles!

Posted by: Sudden one-name troll at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (RD7QR)

347

So what you're saying is that we should drop back ten and jerk a ginourmous load on that cheerleader with the yuge elbows?

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (n2qRY)

348 342
Uh oh, time to delete comments pointing out Trump folded like an origami cuck!

Posted by: Donberly GoofyOil at January 25, 2019 03:49 PM (MJHJR)
Geeze don't get so excited your keyboard's gonna get sticky.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (37IEG)

349 Still hanging tough for trump boss...

Posted by: DXO at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (nzKWW)

350 Anna Puma, how are you today?! How goes the writing?

Posted by: LizLem at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (hvf9s)

351 I guess your average joe on the street must care more about poor furloughed govt workers than I imagined.

Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (mk9aG)

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Not a single one of those average joes has been affected in the least, and probably not a single one actually knows anyone who isn't on the month-long paid vacation* from their federal job, but the breathless reporting every waking moment makes it seems important.


* Funny how that part isn't reported

Posted by: Chief Moron Robbie, Vietnam Ford Ranger at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (0NAbP)

352 Nood

Posted by: BeckoningChasm's PayPal at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (eUVat)

353 Pelosi openly declared she won't budge, even slightly, and she is the one that can end the shutdown any time she wants, but blame President Trump for it. Trump says he won't back down, but Trump blinks. Now who is really running this government ? George Soros ? Who openly declares he owns the demorats, and Trump now admits the demorats own/run Him ?

Posted by: ron n. at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (XkVhH)

354 No State of the Union Tuesday. Maybe the following Tuesday.

Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 03:45 PM (cF8AT)



I just want to hear him say, "See You Next Tuesday, Nancy."




Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 03:50 PM (ptqGC)

355 A national emergency trumps the courts.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 25, 2019 03:51 PM (ePWRo)

356 Cede NOTHING.

This is a country that is at stake.

The most exceptional on the planet, populated by an extraordinary people.

We are such by virtue of adherence to a political system unique in the world.

The progressive filth cannot be allowed victory and the ultimate result of ANY socialist system--utter failure.

Stay strong and do not doubt your cause.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2019 03:46 PM (S/hVx)

The only way to fix this is with massive amounts of lead. Until enough people finally accept that and start doing it, we are fucked. Playing Whack-a-mole with the scum doesn't work anymore.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:51 PM (LXTiX)

357 342
My prediction:

I three weeks the Dems still haven't agreed to a damned thing, and PDT declares an emergency and begins building the wall.

Dems and GOPe set their hair on fire, and run around screaming.

At least that's what I hope happens.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 03:49 PM (ptqGC)
No agreement in three weeks? Shut it down. Keep it shut down.Move the Coast Guard back under DoD where it belongs. Screw everyone else.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 25, 2019 03:51 PM (jxbfJ)

358 O/T:

The news for "Journalists" just keeps getting better.

"Newseum sells DC building to Johns Hopkins University"

Posted by: WisRich at January 25, 2019 03:51 PM (G0vdT)

359 I'm still in.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:48 PM (bcbK
Now that, is dedication.I salute you sir!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at January 25, 2019 03:51 PM (37IEG)

360 Trump did this because the stories of people 'starving and bleeding without tampons' was about to be ratcheted up to 11.

Get those leeches paid and get that out of the way.

Those optics would be a blame game where both sides lost. Now Trump has the optics of trying his best to negotiate a peaceful end to the standoff before he puts a .308 down range.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 25, 2019 03:51 PM (pUDQf)

361 When you think about it deeply and carefully, building a wall is no different than pissing on Jesus Christ.

That's what smart people think.

Posted by: National Review at January 25, 2019 03:52 PM (DuAZ5)

362 Republicans lost 40 seats but don't forget how many cuck retirements there were, nor the Pennsylvania districts drawn by rando judge from Hawaii (not really but sources say he had a very loud shirt on) and California's legalized vote printing. What ifs aren't worth too much but I'd bet it'd have looked better if there weren't so many cuck-and-run types.

Posted by: Inogame at January 25, 2019 03:52 PM (ySZHT)

363 soooo

many
trooooools


out.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2019 03:52 PM (d7Ww2)

364 Just BUILD THE DAMN WALL NOW.
...........

WALLS ARE IMMORAL

HUMANS ARE NOT ILLEGAL

FETUS ARE NOT HUMAN

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2019 03:52 PM (v0R5T)

365 >>> Stay strong and do not doubt your cause.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2019 03:46 PM (S/hVx)

Bless you irongrampa. *sits up a little straighter*

Posted by: LizLem at January 25, 2019 03:52 PM (hvf9s)

366 Posted by: Xander Crews at January 25, 2019 03:49 PM (miXS6)

The wall was the single issue that got him elected. He's done enough since as President that much of the base will overlook it but the other part will consider it a betrayal and stay home on election day.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 03:53 PM (VeUrT)

367 My interest in the State of the Union is considerably less after the capitulation.

In short: "It's all bullshit". Like today's speech.

"No more CR's without the wall funding". Was bullshit too.

Meh. I'm still getting laid tonight, dogs still need walking, dog shit needs picked up.

Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 03:53 PM (DfGpI)

368 He hasn't gotten a wall yet. Nancy hasn't gotten anything either. We are
back to the status quo ante with a 3 week clock. That's all that's
happened.
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Nancy got 800,000 of her constituents paid.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2019 03:53 PM (kOpft)

369 The Hawaiian judges don't give a shit, Ace.

Orange Man Bad is what drives their thoughts.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at January 25, 2019 03:53 PM (+fPHo)

370 368
He hasn't gotten a wall yet. Nancy hasn't gotten anything either. We are

back to the status quo ante with a 3 week clock. That's all that's

happened.
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Nancy got 800,000 of her constituents paid.


Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2019 03:53 PM (kOpft)
For three more weeks. Then ????

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 25, 2019 03:54 PM (jxbfJ)

371 368: And she didn't blink.

Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:54 PM (g0yk9)

372 and Trump has a "no new taxes".

Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 03:55 PM (DfGpI)

373 "He hasn't gotten a wall yet. Nancy hasn't gotten
anything either. We are back to the status quo ante with a 3 week clock.
That's all that's happened.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 03:47 PM (/tuJf) "

____________________
That's about how I see it too. I can't quite break the seal on my hair kerosene yet.A temp re-opening seems smart

Posted by: McLurkerson at January 25, 2019 03:55 PM (zHVM/)

374 370: There will be no second shutdown. Everything is riding on the SOE. And if that was the winning strategy it shoild have been plan A

Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:56 PM (g0yk9)

375 incumbency has power, and a lot of fake Rs just up and left ... and weak Rs (AZ female pilot) managed to lose in their place. Globalists/Commies (somewhat distinct groups maybe) have a lot of power/money. So the purge (like the late 80s National Review purge?) divided "us" more than strengthened "us".


To many normies still back the fakes ... Trump is exposing them, but even as we here recognize how the MSM has "gone insane" ... their message (manufactured/engineered propaganda) is still absorbed at various levels. Trump almost alone is left to drive the "populist" message while Mitch only gives us "conservative" (Bush level) judges ... and tax cuts for the rich (and cuts in regulations, some useful, but still not getting to the main populist issue).


We are far down the 70 year commie road of gradualism, and then deficit spending ... so No U-Turns ... turning this supertanker around will take time ... and some open waters?

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2019 03:56 PM (Cus5s)

376 ace is making the case that no way was Trump ever going to win this shutdown thing.

If so, why did he start it?

Because if he was never going to win, and in the end he was going to have to cave, the cost is pretty high.

Might as well have signed the CR before Christmas.




Posted by: blaster

____________

I think Trump is used to getting his way in business and doesn't really understand a world where that doesn't happen.

I really so no plausible scenario where a Democrat Congress was going to build Trump's wall. But he thought he could just play hardball.

My guess is he saw internal polling dropping to where he just decided to cut bait.

Posted by: Blago at January 25, 2019 03:57 PM (UfkIY)

377

So,, what time and network is Jeopardy on tonight?

Posted by: Ruth Bader Ginsburg at January 25, 2019 03:57 PM (GEhPL)

378 The Bible says, let those that do not work, not eat. The liberals say, feed the dogs from the table, and let your family eat from those scraps on the floor. Since when does a God/Christian hating liberal give a crap about Christians/Americans ? They are the false preaching wolves in sheeps clothing. Has President Trump become Pelosi's CUCKOLD ?

Posted by: ron n. at January 25, 2019 03:58 PM (XkVhH)

379 132 Though I'm sure if you only polled federal workers and their families, you'd get something like 37%....

Posted by: JoeF.

Depends on the office. In mine, it's about 87%.

Posted by: Bert G
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Don't agree at all that WE are losing support. Can't speak for the Horde but here in Southern Indiana PDJFT is king and his support continues to grow daily. And we have a large Fed non-essential government entity here (Census Bureau). And agreed that he can not back down - not one iota.

BTW, aren't we the same group that detest polls and everything they stands for?

And my office is better than 90% in support of PDJFT.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 25, 2019 03:58 PM (HqJdq)

380 I have said this before and I will say it again Trump just needs to channel his inner Franco and put the left in their proper place (in front of firing squads).
I for one feel that if we want our children to have a good life we need to crush the left utterly right now while we can.

Posted by: southdakota conservative at January 25, 2019 03:58 PM (wg50I)

381 LMAO X !00000000000000000000000000000000

Posted by: Zombie 41 at January 25, 2019 03:58 PM (L/iaS)

382 377 So,, what time and network is Jeopardy on tonight?

Posted by: Ruth Bader Ginsburg
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Comes on at 1930 or 7:30pm EST around these parts but YMMV depending on where you are located.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 25, 2019 04:00 PM (HqJdq)

383 Every action Trump has taken or not taken shows that he does not consider the Wall an emergency.

The fact we are now arguing that it'll be tied up in courts and he'll "eventually " win leads towards the same conclusion.

Two years from now we'll get to this "emergency" fixed started.

Posted by: MAGA at January 25, 2019 04:00 PM (KLw72)

384 The best indication of where the polls are on this is the split on the Covington Catholic boys incident that just happened.

In the face of overwhelming evidence the boys got played by the crook Chief Taunto, the big news outfits, and the bishops, and all the others that roasted them on a spit, never backed down and corrected the record.

Tweet deletions don't count.

Because they know they have more people on the side they are on, which is essentially the Trump Hate side, than there are on the other.

The left is gonna twist the knife on this one, because they know they are close to the kill.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at January 25, 2019 04:01 PM (+fPHo)

385 That is how I feel.
What was the point of opening gov.
Only to pay the employees.

He had said a few days ago he just wanted the "process" to play out and then he would use other options if it isn't what he wanted.

He better hold to this.

I'm sick of this.

Is he afraid the courts will block him? I hope with the way he does it, the courts have no say, but they have so much power now it sickens me and I wish he could ignore them as they ignore the law.

The only reason McConnell is giddy, placing judges. Record numbers.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 25, 2019 04:02 PM (OKeCc)

386 I'm having difficulty processing the words "Trump" and "cave" in the same sentence.


But I suppose it's possible.

Posted by: creeper at January 25, 2019 04:02 PM (ey3Yt)

387 356 Cede NOTHING.

This is a country that is at stake.

The most exceptional on the planet, populated by an extraordinary people.

We are such by virtue of adherence to a political system unique in the world.

The progressive filth cannot be allowed victory and the ultimate result of ANY socialist system--utter failure.

Stay strong and do not doubt your cause.
Posted by: irongrampa

The only way to fix this is with massive amounts of lead. Until enough people finally accept that and start doing it, we are fucked. Playing Whack-a-mole with the scum doesn't work anymore.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist
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THIS!

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 25, 2019 04:04 PM (HqJdq)

388 Willowed - From here in the cornfields, it makes Trump seem like the reasonable party in the negotiations - especially with the flurry of bills that got shot down over the past few days.

I agree there won't be another shut down - in three weeks, if congress doesn't figure it out, he'll just declare emergency and go forward with construction.

Posted by: milquetoast bourgeoisie mortgage-paying neighbor in flyover country at January 25, 2019 04:06 PM (TPgeI)

389 I will vote because he's not Kamala-Toe in '20 and for all he did do and is still doing despite everything right now.

Did he cave? Depends on how you look at the big picture.

Let's see what happens in 3 weeks. I bet Palsi and Cuck are going to demand amnesty for 35 million aliens already here and no wall.

Then, Trump goes medieval. Jared notwithstanding. I trust him NOT.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 03:29 PM (/9p9e)


The simple majority in the legislature value illegal aliens more than citizens.

In a word - Traitors.
But you cannot just throw that word out there.
Bad optics.


Posted by: Nanzi Pelosi at January 25, 2019 04:06 PM (1g7ch)

390 389: Spot on comment.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 25, 2019 04:07 PM (HqJdq)

391 Real problem is that Paul Ryan went to Congress. Would have been much better off with a D in that seat for the last decade+ or whatever.

Posted by: gm at January 25, 2019 04:09 PM (/q8Eb)

392 Nood?!

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 25, 2019 04:09 PM (HqJdq)

393 Face it, we're going the way of Britain: a long, slow slide into third world status.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at January 25, 2019 04:09 PM (gaFth)

394
But I don't remember Boehner being able to get a whole lot done when the R's were in the same boat back in 2010.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:39 PM (GBteo)

Harry, your statement assumes that Boehner was on our side. He wasn't.
But it seems that the Demos took the stance long ago that the only way to deal with Trump is to make NO deal, no matter what.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 25, 2019 04:10 PM (sy5kK)

395 If shutdowns don't work for either party how is Pelosi winning? Those things can't both be true.

Posted by: csmats at January 25, 2019 04:11 PM (X5VFN)

396 "profit politically"

If your goal is to "profit politically" then yes, caving to Nancy Pelosi is the right move, because she's kicking Donald Trumps ass in a way that makes him look like he's grabbing himself by his own pussy.

If your goal is to protect the country and have rule of law, then no, caving to Nancy Pelosi is the right move.

You seem to want political profits, Ace. Not to actually protect the country. Not to live in a country with laws.

Shame on you, Ace.

Posted by: someguy at January 25, 2019 04:11 PM (U3IPW)

397 ace,

You nailed it with ultimate point #5.

I never thought the Demonrats were going to cave in the face of the shutdown.

After losing the House, the only feasible strategy has been to shine a light on the Illegal Immigration Crisis due to Failed Border Security - for the specific purpose of forcing that issue to a head.
This takes some time. And it takes good timing.

So a reasonable reading on this situation is that Trump recognizes that the best way to invoke his perfectly legitimate emergency powers is to gradually build the case through (pointless) negotiations and standoffs so that he cans say he patiently exhausted every other option in good faith.

I don't agree that Trump is lacking in focus in follow-through. I think this approach has been the plan ever since the House fell to the Dems.

Ironically, it is easier for Trump to make this case now that the Dems have the House.
Imagine if he Trump had tried this approach before the 2018 midterms. The argument would have been much more awkward. There's an Illegal Immigration Crisis on the border that he can't solve even though his party controls both the Congress and the White House. Moreover, this failure is resulting in a politically costly Government Shutdown - even though his party controls both the Congress and the White House.
That's probably not a winning hand.

But with the Demonrats controlling the House, Trump has a foil which allows him to build a case for invoking emergency powers to address a serious issue that Obama declared a crisis in 2012.


Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 04:13 PM (Z2PYk)

398 Since the GOPe is standing in the way of the wall it is time to change tactics.

Trump must go hard after businesses that hire illegals. Raids, phone book sized list of charges, total lawfare. Make the Chamber of Commerce scream bloody murder. The Left can't oppose this, they might even applaud the fun. And it will have the effect of making illegals think twice about crossing the border.

Jobs are the magnet. End that now.

Posted by: Bill C at January 25, 2019 04:16 PM (HqPBH)

399 invoke his perfectly legitimate emergency powers is to gradually build the case

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gradual emergency

Posted by: MAGA at January 25, 2019 04:19 PM (KLw72)

400 Having said my piece, here's the actual situation. I voted for Donald Trump because he said he would:

1) Put Hillary Clinton in jail
2) Build the wall
3) Make Mexico (or Mexicans) pay for it
4) Drain Washington DC of its power

He's done exactly none of those things. He has 2 years left to do them or he won't get my re-elect vote.

He can actually do these things:

1) He can declare a national emergency and order the US Army Corps of Engineers to begin construction of the wall and if the courts try to stop him, he should ignore those courts as the law allows him to do. Only he can decide whether there is a national emergency, by law.

2) He can hire an Attorney General who promises that on his first day in office he will impanel a Grand Jury to bring charges against Hillary Clinton.

3) He can seize drug-lord profits by imminent domain (that includes the international banks they're laundering the money through.)

4) He can order large parts of the Federal Government to office in other states (thus, draining the swamp.)

Those are Day 1 actions he could have done Day 1 and could still do today and if he doesn't do them by Day 365/Year 4 he can suck my dick. I won't vote for him again.

Posted by: someguy at January 25, 2019 04:19 PM (U3IPW)

401 The most important question- will Nancy let Trump give SOU address Tuesday? Because there won't be a shutdown. She is scared shitless of him giving that speech, because he rocked it last year (check your history) and he will rock it again this year.
So this is how we win: we give them the three weeks to negotiate in good faith, Trump scorches them next week with the SOU, he declares emergency powers after they refuse to negotiate, the fence gets built and we shove it down their throats the next 22 months.

Posted by: Dogstar at January 25, 2019 04:28 PM (NNkOi)

402 MAGA @ comment #399
"gradual emergency"

- Wrong.
Rather, it's a gradually built _argument_ about an undeniable and immediate crisis that has been going on for years.



Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 04:28 PM (Z2PYk)

403 Where Trump screwed up was turning it into a power struggle and trying to do things "the Washington way".

When Pelosi told him he couldn't address the joint Houses for the SOTU as the President traditionally does, he just should have said, "OK, here, I will submit it in writing." Then, contact the news networks and say, "Hey, I am going to address the American people through the SOTU address from the Oval Office. Y'all come on out if you want to." Think the TV networks wouldn't cover that? Just completely go around Pelosi and make her irrelevant.

Posted by: Ankylus at January 25, 2019 04:28 PM (tktnQ)

404 Total cave.

What would not be a cave is to declare an emergency TODAY and start building the effing wall in its entirety. Fund it all, not just $5 billion.

Trump will not do this because his Republican congress proved there will never be a wall. CoC cucks they are.

Coulter was right.

The End.

Posted by: Valiant at January 25, 2019 04:29 PM (3MiF8)

405 Nonsense seems to be a pandemic.
This is up to Congress. Trump is merely the mob target, which they must always maintain a target for beasts. Congress could pass anything with only 2/3rd, yet they dont. I expect this eventually as i am aware of politician republicans and the entire democrat party.

Posted by: Jk at January 25, 2019 04:31 PM (NjctT)

406 The last guy pen and phoned his way through his entire Presidency.
I don't see why Trump can't do the same to get the wall built and pay federal workers whilst stopping the political class from taking their seats and fat pay-cheques.

Posted by: STV at January 25, 2019 04:32 PM (0+rTR)

407
Also, to claim that Trump is invoking his legitimate emergency powers to gradually build his case is an exactly backwards understanding of the situation.
(And it's the exact opposite of what I said in my comment #397.)

The case is built, and THEN the emergency powers are invoked.

NOT: Invoke emergency powers, and then gradually build a case.


Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 04:33 PM (Z2PYk)

408
Something the premature defeatists need to consider.
The three-week temporary reopening is significantly shorter than the four-plus-week Government Shutdown we just had.

If Trump weren't serious about invoking his emergency powers following the temporary (and EXTREMELY BRIEF) reopening; why wouldn't he just kick the can down the road for several months?

By then, the Demonrats presidential politics would be seriously underway, and he'd be able to claim that as the higher political priority.

It makes no sense for Trump to re-open the government for such a short period, if he's not serious in an endgame strategy.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 04:40 PM (Z2PYk)

409 Goddamn it, those guys aren't going to fuck my wife again this weekend!!

Posted by: GOP Cuck at January 25, 2019 04:44 PM (xiOrX)

410 As Coulter's new column says:

BREAK GROUND TODAY

Posted by: Valiant at January 25, 2019 04:47 PM (3MiF8)

411 I think this was definitely a "cave" by Trump, but I don't think he had any other choice. And actually I think it was a smart move to do it, because it resets the situation. Trump foolishly took ownership of the shutdown, and even if he tried to walk it back, no way that really works. That's why Pelosi wouldn't even counter his offer. Her position was that much stronger. Trump had to cave to end "his shutdown." And he did. If he had declared an emergency on his shutdown, it would look like he was just solving a crisis that he created--not good politics (unless you have the media on your side, which obviously he does not).

So where are we now? Trump takes his lumps. But now he actually has some semblance of leverage. Three weeks to negotiate a deal where the Democrats can get something. If they don't come up with a deal, Trump builds the wall under the national emergency, and Democrats get nothing. Republicans can pass a clean CR, and if the Democrats won't sign, then it is their shutdown. I think this is the most likely scenario, as the Democrats can't actually complete a deal with "Hitler". Trump needed to cave so he could close the books on "his shutdown". Now he can get it done one way or another (yes, the SC will have to overrule the Hawaiian judge, but that will happen).

Posted by: Matt at January 25, 2019 04:48 PM (YQ4mh)

412 401: She's not the least bit afraid. Why should she be? Donk DC is getting paid and he gave her 3 weeks to figure out how to stop the SOE. He's had two years to make an emergency argument.

Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 04:48 PM (g0yk9)

413
I'm a yuuuuge Ann Coulter fan. (Haven't missed a column in over fifteen years. Have read several of her books.)

And I LOVE the fact that she is mercilessly holding Trump's feet to the fire over his promise to build the wall. We need her and others (like Limbaugh) to keep doing that.

But here in this comment's thread, I'm saying that Trump's moves (so far) make very good sense. And I don't see better ones available.
I'm not certain, but I think it's probable that he is going to ultimately prevail on this issue. He damn sure looks committed to it.



Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 04:52 PM (Z2PYk)

414
95% ditto on Matt's comment #411.

Well said.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 04:55 PM (Z2PYk)

415 If Ace's first point is accurate, well...then there is no point. If Pelosi and the Dem's weren't willing to negotiate following a 4-week shutdown, and if shutdown's "never work", she's never going to come to the table. Trump should just sign the next multi-trillion dollar CR and stop running his mouth on Twitter. That will give us almost a year to selecting his replacement on the GOP ticket, and time to get ahead of the GOP Establishment.

Posted by: WVinMN at January 25, 2019 05:02 PM (llZLS)

416
With all respect, CN @ comment #412.

Trump has not had two years to make an emergency argument.

The emergency argument would have a been a very weak one to make while the GOPe held both chambers of Congress.

I'm not saying it was Trump's master plan all along to lose the House to the Demonrats. (That would just be plain credulous.)

I'm merely saying the emergency argument has only been a viable one since the Dems took the House a few months ago. And we've been in a standoff Government Shutdown for over a month.

The timing makes sense.


Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 05:07 PM (Z2PYk)

417 #415 I agree! No way he can get re-elected or make any comeback from caving to Nancy Pelosi! He looks weak to the swing voters and I guess he is. If you can't beat Nancy Pelosi, where do you go from there? The wall will never be built. Democrats will install Kamala Harris or Joe Biden and we get 50 more years of same shit. The End.

Posted by: AnnaS at January 25, 2019 05:14 PM (dGKUu)

418
Serious Question:
Why would Trump not be able to see that if he didn't try to move heaven and earth to get the the wall built (which would include declaring an emergency and directing the Army Corps of Engineers to get crackin') that he would go down to ignominious defeat in 2020?

We all see that.
Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh see that.
It. Is. Obvious.

Why would Trump not be able to see this?





Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 05:19 PM (Z2PYk)

419

Answer: Of course Trump sees this!


Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 05:21 PM (Z2PYk)

420 Here's the things Trump gained from the shutdown:
1) He got the Dems working on something else other than impeaching him and doing more stupid 'investigations' of him.

2) He got people asking, "Why do we have TSA?"

3) He checked the "I tried to get Congress to help me build the Wall" box.

4) He got the media talking about something other than Mueller Mewller Mueller.

5) He got Palsi and Schemer to actually negotiate with him to end it. He even let them win this time so they won't be so hesitant to do it again.

6) He had people working in the background, seeing just how many of the federal workers (deep state resisters) who were furloughed can be eliminated, and how many federal shops can be closed or downsized. He now has the data. I expect him to go on a firing spree shortly.

Posted by: starboardhelm at January 25, 2019 05:21 PM (hOtJL)

421
Second Serious Question:

If it's true that Trump recognizes that his base would by and large abandon him, if he failed to exercise every option at his disposal (include declaring an emergency), does he seem like the kind of guy would accept a sad legacy of ignominious failure rather than fight like hell to win?



Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 05:24 PM (Z2PYk)

422 Trump, who has always been lazy, ignorant and winging it on everything, got OWNED by Chuck and Nancy. Now' he's left holding his pud and begging to let him do the SOTU...What a witless loser..

Posted by: macleod at January 25, 2019 05:26 PM (lhdgN)

423
PREDICTION TIME.

Are the premature defeatists willing to post predictions to the effect that Trump will not declare an emergency and thereby direct the Pentagon to allocate resources to build the wall?
- That's a fair question.

Those who are saying things to the effect of "Trump sucks. We lost. It's over.", are these same commenters willing to openly predict that Trump will not declare an emergency?

My Prediction.

At the end of three weeks there is no way that the Pelosi, Schumer, and there fellow Demonrats will allow funds to build the wall.

Shortly thereafter, Trump will declare an emergency and direct the Pentagon to allocate resources to build the wall.

The Demonrats will get a corrupt judge to issue an injunction and the case will ultimately be decided on appeal.

BECAUSE TRUMP EXERCISED PATIENCE AND 'GOOD FAITH' NEGOTIATIONS, HIS CASE WILL BE STRONGER THAN IF HE HAD GIVEN THE DEMONRATS THE FINGER AND DECLARED AN EMERGENCY OFF THE BAT.

- In fact, he would have given them the finger and declared an emergency off the bat it would beg the question: Why didn't do this years ago? Why wait until your party has lost the House to the opposition?


Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 05:42 PM (Z2PYk)

424 #2. State of union. #2.5. Super Bowl travel. A nod to Kraft.

Posted by: Justice at January 25, 2019 05:43 PM (QkNAH)

425
I'm not saying I think it's a certainty that Trump will win the case on appeal. (Though I think he probably will.)

I'm saying that the chances that Trump gets SCOTUS to lift the (illegal) injunction against his emergency declaration are significantly improved by proceeding the way he has rather than by impetuously demonstrating utter disrespect for the newly elected Democrat House Majority.

So, who wants to predict that Trump won't issue a declaration of emergency regarding the border crisis?

Hands please.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 05:51 PM (Z2PYk)

426 Any one? .... Any one?

Bueller? ... Bueller? ... Bueller?




Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 05:54 PM (Z2PYk)

427 Aye, I'm with you CCW. Totally reasonable.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at January 25, 2019 06:07 PM (PvCxa)

428 Has anyone said "Buy guns and ammo" yet?

Or will that get me sent to the Barrel?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread and the Recon Rangers at January 25, 2019 06:11 PM (rJUlF)

Posted by: Trump supporter from the beginning at January 25, 2019 06:14 PM (RfmMM)

430 Just wanna say, the guy is against the whole fucking world. Everyone hates him in DC and what he has accomplished in the face of the evil is beyond what I could have hoped for.

The guy is like U.S. Grant. Lincoln finally picked a guy who knew how to kick Lee's ass and did it. Problem was, a shit load of people died, in the process.

There's no one else who gives a fucking damn about YOU or this country except Trump. He alone had the guts to face the evil called Hillary and beat the bitch.

When he's gone, that's it.
He's my newest hero to be honest. He doesn't need ANY of this shit. but look what he's done'doing. If his supporters bail on him, fuck them.
Through thick and thin people. There aint NO body else.
He's dealing with shit give him a break.

My piece.

Posted by: Trump supporter from the beginning at January 25, 2019 06:20 PM (RfmMM)

431
Thanks East Bay Jay.

I just thought of another delightful advantage that Trump enjoys:
Pelosi is in a VERY tough spot regarding whether to re-invite Trump to deliver the SOTU this Tuesday (or any time in the next three-weeks).

If she does, then Trump gets the perfect platform to continue to make his case. It also gives him an unfortunately much need opportunity to rally his base.

If she does not, this only strengthens Trump's case that while he made good faith efforts, the other side was totally unreasonable.
Moreover, if this crisis is so bad that even when the government is open it - for the first time ever! - prevents the President from delivering the State of the Union address to the nation: that also strengthens the argument that the situation has risen to emergency status.

So which way is she going to go?
Keep dancin' Pelosi. It's all fun and games until you don't know what to do.



Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 06:28 PM (Z2PYk)

432
Amen, Trump Supporter @ comment #430.

But take comfort,man.
I think when our fellow supporters see Trump issue the emergency declaration to build the wall and therefore see that he never abandoned his efforts in this regard that they will rally back to him.

But you're right. The man is a major hero. No two ways about it.


Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 06:33 PM (Z2PYk)

433 I wanted him to run way before he actually did, I really didn't expect much from his presidency because I knew he wasn't supposed to win. But he did which set the fascists into crazy mode.

I hear there are rumors that he might not run again. I would be so very disappointed in that but would totally understand.

He is without a doubt, the smartest man in DC. And he is smarter then you or I am at this stuff.
He's so good at it we got very used to winning almost every day.
Yeah we lost the house, it's only because Trump is a master at what he's doing that we were surprised by that loss.
Historically it's expected the POTUS will lose house seats. But we gained in the Senate. That's another thing that surpassed my expectations. The mid-terms SHOULD have been a complete disaster, bu tthey weren't.

Whatever happens down the line, hes the ONLY person who has our back.
People gotta take a breath and remember that.

Posted by: Trump supporter from the beginning at January 25, 2019 06:43 PM (RfmMM)

434 I'm holding judgement on this for a bit. Trump is a winner. He does not settle for defeat so if he stays true to his past methods, he has a sound strategy to win in the end. This game is not over.

Posted by: StellasTwoCents at January 25, 2019 06:48 PM (Z0huu)

435 Dear Fenelon,
sorry to be so crude but it had to be said. The Donald is simply in an untenable situation, he could never win this fight alone.

Zero support from the dems, the media, business, and his own political party made this an exercise in futility, unless he was prepared to "burn the village" in order to save it.

His best, indeed, imho, only option after starting this brouhaha, was to never concede anything to Pelosi.

Posted by: Deacon Bleau at January 25, 2019 07:06 PM (0x00j)

436 So, who wants to predict that Trump won't issue a declaration of emergency regarding the border crisis?

Hands please.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at January 25, 2019 05:51 PM (Z2PYk)

As long as Javanka run the "optics" the chances are zero. Those two are Trumps Achilles heel, worried about what their social crowd says about Dad.

Posted by: Deacon Bleau at January 25, 2019 07:11 PM (0x00j)

437 I'm with you, Ace. Once the govvies lose a second paycheck and the airports start shutting down, it's over. The whole point of the additional three weeks is to justify Trump's declaration of an emergency.

Of course, the real shame is that Trump didn't insist that a Republican-controlled Congress pass a budget which included funding for the border wall.

Posted by: biancaneve at January 25, 2019 08:06 PM (hkMx0)

438 The why even shut down in the first place?

Posted by: Joe at January 25, 2019 08:42 PM (d3EAY)

439 Ace is often downright brilliant, so this one is a serious disappointment - a real stinker. Not well thought out at all - actually makes him sound somewhat like all those faux-conservatives he's been so obsessed with criticizing lately. There's a word thrown around here frequently to describe the folks foolish enough to describe Trump as "lazy and easily distracted.".

We're losing (just ask our opposition). We can't win. Even our own guys aren't on our side. Just go ahead and get ready to live in the Venezuela-style hell-hole we're inevitably headed for.

Really? Just what side are you supposedly on?

In reality, there's a LOT going on here that hasn't even been brought up! Like where this deal came from. It WASN'T initiated by Nancy or Chuck, or even Trump - it came from congressmen behind the scenes who recognize that their leadership is f-ing CRAZY.

It's not exactly NEWS that the Republican politicians are corrupt, and don't want the wall, either. Trump's priorities were the same as Reagan's: (1) repair the military (2) pay for it by repairing the economy (3) repair the judiciary. Trump accomplished remarkable things in this regard, plus handling North Korea, and re-doing the whole World Order on trade, taking on China. All these things have a long lead time - building a wall can be done relatively quickly, and has an immediate effect - and all have been done with a witch hunt hanging over his head.

How about how there's other crap going on too? Like the developments in Venezuela?

How about somebody talks about how this isn't an isolated issue - that we have a real ongoing Constitutional crisis going on, as Nancy declares herself, essentially, to be in control of the government, despite only being the leader of HALF of one branch of government? That everything has to o HER WAY - or ELSE. Many of her own members (Dems) know that she's nuts.

Posted by: Optimizer at January 25, 2019 10:33 PM (hOOi9)

440 Another factor influencing McConnell. Illegal immigrants flooded into Louisville and Lexington, Kentucky over the last decade. Which changed McConnell's voter demographics.

-----

Re: a separate demographic topic and direct experience of the Covington/Northern Ky region. What media mistook for Appalachian culture is urban Cincinnati culture*. A massive, tight-knit, German-Catholic family network. With highly involved parents who morph into enraged moma grizzlies when their children are threatened. Media geniuses managed to provoke a huge population located among the Tri-state region of greater Cincinnati.

* Hence the CC kids I knew are big city teens, not from a rural background.

Posted by: Ragnell at January 25, 2019 11:34 PM (pN3as)

441 I've been having trouble feeling sorry for federal bureaucrats who make 50% more money than I do. There are enough alcoholics in Washington, they could make more driving for Uber when the bars close, and helping them find their cars the next morning is the fun part.

Posted by: norrin radd, sojourner of the spaceways at January 25, 2019 11:56 PM (i6HxJ)

442 I'm still bullish on Trump based on his past successes. I only believe the Rasmussen poll also.

Posted by: norrin radd, sojourner of the spaceways at January 26, 2019 12:03 AM (i6HxJ)

443 Pathetic. More spreading of the huffpo BS. Learn to code.

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at January 28, 2019 01:10 AM (Pr11x)

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