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Trump: We're Reopening the Government for Three Weeks; If After Three Weeks There Is No Deal for a Wall, The Government Will Either Shutdown Again or I Will Use Emergency Powers to Order The Wall Built
Can I ask a favor? I know some people are in End of the World mode but can I ask you to use the words "Temporary reopening" if that's what it is? It's beginning to seem trollish when people deliberately ignore this part of it and/or do not explain how a temporary reopening changes things. It changes things for a few weeks. Then right back to shutdown. If it's a full cave, that's one thing. But if it's a temporary reopening, that's another.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: steevy at January 25, 2019 02:07 PM (BXMxN)
Didn't you get the memo?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 25, 2019 02:08 PM (6qErC)
-Chicken Little
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 25, 2019 02:08 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: VM's phone at January 25, 2019 02:08 PM (EGSGm)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:08 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, As Woke As He's Gonna Get at January 25, 2019 02:08 PM (Z216Q)
The president knows this tactic better than most.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:08 PM (IBzqd)
- Twitter today
Posted by: Floyd of Rosedale at January 25, 2019 02:09 PM (ICaYg)
Posted by: Drain the swamp at January 25, 2019 02:09 PM (Am8Sm)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:09 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:09 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2019 02:09 PM (d7Ww2)
Everyone's hair is on fire over rumours. He'll probably say something soonish. Within the hour. Then we'll know.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: The ARC of History at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (I2/tG)
Cause that's the real crisis.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: kathysaysso at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (vkS2Z)
Posted by: rd at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (EK+Pw)
They know that Trump will eventually cave IF he shuts down the government again.
Especially as he has caved on this exact point with the last 2 years of Republican congresses, who could have funded the border wall if they had wished to.
Remember this is not happening without a lot of history of already broken deals, from both Democrats AND Republicans.
Posted by: Obi Don Quixote at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: HH at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (mIJBI)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (1ISKN)
Posted by: Jonah at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (HrSJb)
And if they beat Trump here, God help us. He'll be a lame duck.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (iTqVJ)
And he's far better than any alternative.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm's PayPal at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (eUVat)
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (IBzqd)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (n2qRY)
Posted by: Jonah at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (HrSJb)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Chuck U Farley at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (kcdT1)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (ptqGC)
Jonah Goldberg's mouth is never temporarily open.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (gC2IV)
Posted by: Trump at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (NTNHK)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Chris M at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (eAZVt)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (14URa)
That's the worst piece of illogic I've heard on a long time.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (IBzqd)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:12 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (fuK7c)
I hope Trump makes an announcement offering all those fired reporters jobs.
I hopr he starts handing them free tampons
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (TAmPV)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Government Furniture Store at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (hIayt)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (aKsyK)
Oh yes they do. Duke Energy will shut you down if you're late on any given bill.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (NWiLs)
And here we know there are more details to come.
Yeah, it could suck - but we don't even know what it is yet. Is it that hard to wait a few hours before declaring the Trump presidency over?
There's a over a year-and-half where everyone can bitch incessantly about how they aren't going to vote for Trump after the actual announcement.
Until then, you are trusting CNN, Foxnews, etc.
Zen, baby, zen.
Posted by: The Federal Reserve at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (zUD19)
Posted by: Obi Don Quixote at January 25, 2019 02:10 PM (NgKpN)
Yup.
Posted by: pookysgirl, Foxfire Ninja Babe at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (XKZwp)
Here he comes...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Government Furniture Store at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (hIayt)
I'll take the EPA and 1,000 cans of oil.
Oh, and a match.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (JcPeV)
Posted by: x at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (3sjI6)
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at January 25, 2019 02:14 PM (n2qRY)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:14 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2019 02:14 PM (hIayt)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:14 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:14 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:14 PM (LL1Be)
"will reopen for 3 weeks...will see back pay is paid fast."
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:14 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 02:13 PM (TAmPV)
With MAGA on each one.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at January 25, 2019 02:14 PM (pLgt/)
I have a lot of faith in Trump's negotiating. I do.
But this seems like a big old failboat.
Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: Max Power at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (q177U)
+++
Maybe after fixing the loophole where air traffic controllers are essential but not paid.
Posted by: Total Control Racist at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (NTNHK)
Lol
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (W1Xiw)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (ptqGC)
I was about to say that but then he said three weeks.
Everyone gets paid and he retains the Emergency option.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: IrishEi at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (NtglE)
Fully acknowledged having walls are an important part of the solution.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (m8J9w)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (W1Xiw)
Then shut the Shitshow down hard until the election.
Selling airline stocks / shipping company / amazon /ebay would be prudent. Oil will stay flat.
Posted by: torabora at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (Y274z)
Posted by: rd at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (EK+Pw)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (GbPPJ)
Pelosi is sacrificing a newborn baby as he speaks.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:15 PM (ptqGC)
I laughed and then immediately denounced myself cause, yeah.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (pLgt/)
Posted by: Carlos Danger at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (n8q5o)
Posted by: spinner at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (vl1RP)
Posted by: VM's phone at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (EGSGm)
Posted by: IC at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (a0IVu)
Is it time for me to lock myself in the refrigerator and eat my own foot?
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (n2qRY)
Always a good plan.
Posted by: Chief Sitting Fridge at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (W1Xiw)
And I really hope this wasn't agreed to just so he could deliver the SOTU. Just have a clerk read it off to Congress like they used to.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (7nZdn)
Posted by: Ripley at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (MxEKc)
Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (mnAmV)
But.....
I think he comes across looking good here, and it makes Pelousi and the dems look worse.
Posted by: IrishEi at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (NtglE)
Government back to work
My pornhub download speed will get back to normal
Posted by: Carlos Danger at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (n8q5o)
Pornhub stock up 5% on the news.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (t6MX/)
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (wGbBR)
Again, any other politician it would be prudent to do so.
Trump bucks all trends.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (JcPeV)
*****
Oh yes the NeverTrumper is back to spewing BS
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (BqBId)
*returns to adding SHOT show goodies to wishlist and updating possible fembot models to request*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (bcbK8)
Well, at least none of the toxic avengers Gender/Justice/Trans/Whatever Whorenalists won't be going back to work.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Raniere at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (UjWQq)
Posted by: t-bird at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (PG1FL)
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (hIayt)
Trump is more. Conservative than at least half the Rs in congress, and he wasnt even a republican til a few years ago. There's very few people in washington who want what most americans want
Posted by: MST3K at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (QGiho)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: davidt at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (jGvbj)
He keeps repeating 'walls work...common sense.'
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (cF8AT)
He gets to give his SOTU - tearing Nancy a new one.
That's all I see him getting out of this.
Other than that, it's just the "give us what we want, and then we'll talk" scam.
Posted by: Optimizer at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (hOOi9)
Someone needs to tell them not to spend it all on video poker and booze so they will have something for food in three weeks.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Naturalfake at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (9X624)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (m8J9w)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (/9p9e)
No wall.
He's twanging the bipartisan schtick that the lo-vo "moderates" like.
He is selling the wall idea and hoping the polling will trend to a teenie one percent above 50 over the next few weeks.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (+fPHo)
Posted by: Dr. T
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No, likely wants to be able to say he did everything possible to avoid declaring an emergency.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (aWhzp)
Posted by: IC at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (m8J9w)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (1ISKN)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (8iiMU)
What does Trump gain by doing this?
Posted by: Glenn John at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (LilNs)
Posted by: Arti at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (hLLtG)
Posted by: MAGA at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (KLw72)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (8iiMU)
Hope so. Then it's time to settle family business.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (g0yk9)
Is there an end date on this "Temp" reopening?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (m8J9w)
3 weeks. 21 days. That's what he's saying.
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Mike at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (+S3WW)
Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (9VeU0)
This speech is an insult. The fucking fact is, he is playing politics. I hate politicians.
Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (DfGpI)
Nope this is a cave and he might as well start packing his bags while they impeach him
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (m8J9w)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (m8J9w)
2-15-19
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (LL1Be)
*****
Oh yes the NeverTrumper is back to spewing BS
Posted by: Mittens Romney
..............
BS? He just caved to Nancy.. Get your head out of your ass, dickhead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: t-bird at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (PG1FL)
What does Trump gain by doing this?
Posted by: Glenn John at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (LilNs)
What did Ali gain by standing there on the ropes letting Foreman pound away?
Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (mnAmV)
Caving isn't just for spelunkers. And you can only put so much on Jared's back. What the hell is Trump thinking?
Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (81uw/)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (8iiMU)
Hope so. Then it's time to settle family business.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (ptqGC)
Tape the gun behind Joe Biden's head...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: Max Power at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (q177U)
No wall.
...
I don't understand some of you people. Democrats don't like the word "wall." He's using the word "fence." Have you seen the "fence" he's talking about? It's tall steel slats.
Whatever, I give up. I don't know who's a troll any more.
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: spinner at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (vl1RP)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, As Woke As He's Gonna Get at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (Z216Q)
Oh, they are going to have a field day with this....
Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Mike at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (+S3WW)
We'll be back here in three weeks saying the same thing. Because if Trump folds, he's done.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (IBzqd)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (W1Xiw)
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (14URa)
2 weeks would have been more appropriate..see "Ther Money Pit"
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (m8J9w)
A temporary reopening proves he'll cave. If you cave once you're gonna
do it again, it just gets easier. The only way to get a wall now is a
national emergency, and no Hawaiian judge issuing an injunction. I guess
it's "just words" and no better than McConnell.
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:17 PM (g0yk9)
Two Scoops is a spelunker? Is there anything he doesn't do?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (pLgt/)
Posted by: Les Kinetic at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (+fPHo)
Posted by: Jonah at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (HrSJb)
This is a brilliant strategy. Trump re-opens the government. If after
three weeks, the Democrats refuse to appropriate money for the
wall...the shutdown will be on them.
Posted by: Mike at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (+S3WW)
He can name the next shutdown, Nancy's.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: biancaneve at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (hkMx0)
Posted by: Jonah Kyle at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (SH7Tr)
Then shut the Shitshow down hard until the election.
Selling airline stocks / shipping company / amazon /ebay would be prudent. Oil will stay flat.
Posted by: torabora at January 25, 2019 02:16 PM (Y274z)
This occurred to me too. It'd get their attention if he started firing the Swamp Things. Problem is, he probably can't (legally).
Posted by: Optimizer at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (hOOi9)
I think this is the last chance Donny Two Scoops is giving Congress.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (8iiMU)
Hope so. Then it's time to settle family business.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (ptqGC)
During a baptism.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (mnAmV)
Posted by: Glenn John
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He has given Pelosi plenty of chances. When she still refuses to negotiate, he can act on his own. Nobody can then legitimately claim he acted rashly.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (aWhzp)
Posted by: Ever at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (1Zh0U)
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: BignJames at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (cxHbL)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
yeah why would he take this opportunity of national tv coverage to press his case and sway votes.
Geeze, what a sellout.
I'm going to leave this thread, see you guys later.
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (PbpT7)
This makes a Declaration of Emergency easier. Yeah, yeah, Judge Mele Kalikimaka or whatever. But they'll fast-track it to the Supremes (Baby Love!) and PDT will prevail there.
Posted by: IrishEi at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (NtglE)
Posted by: Max at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (Q3oNv)
Posted by: Jonah at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (HrSJb)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: Hands at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (cF8AT)
We can't afford our tampons!!!!
Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (mnAmV)
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (PbpT7)
Yeah.
I think Trump got tired of winning.
I am willing to be wrong.
Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (9VeU0)
He can try.
But the Media controls the signal, still. He'll own the next shutdown as much as they want him to.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (Rarvo)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (aWhzp)
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I don't understand this. If it's truly an emergency then do it, that's why Congress gave the President that authority. You don't spend months haggling with Congress about it.
Posted by: MAGA at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (KLw72)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (wGbBR)
Trump is not going to shut the government down again when he's getting
all the blame and his poll numbers are going down even among
Republicans.
Posted by: spinner at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (vl1RP)
ya' whose poll number are down. YO MAMAS.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (pLgt/)
Sauve qui peut!
Posted by: Nickname at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (g0yk9)
Somebody's talked him out of a wall.
Posted by: BignJames at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (cxHbL)"
...
I doubt this. Either they agree to funding in the next 3 weeks or he uses the emergency declaration.
Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (eAshZ)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (W1Xiw)
Posted by: Ripley at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (MxEKc)
I dont understand why trump wont just declare an emergency
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (SW5SE)
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 25, 2019 02:17
Imagine how President Trump feels and at least he's given it his all for 2+ years in office.
Posted by: GretelM at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (2CtSR)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (c1VyR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (m8J9w)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: Jonah Kyle at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (SH7Tr)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (AURKQ)
Plus, this was the Democrats original tactic - "Just reopen the gov't for a few weeks while we work on resolving this"
But you know and I know that the Democrat have no intention of giving in and funding the wall, so in three weeks they will have been shown - AGAIN - to be completely full of shit.
Posted by: deadrody at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (4nL9V)
What was 36 days?
I missed that.
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (LL1Be)
Length of the shut-down.
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (IBzqd)
I don't know who's a troll any more.
We're all trolls.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (c1VyR)
I thought we were all socialists?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: Infidel at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (9L2du)
After this, it's war.
That's the way I'm reading it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Optimizer at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (hOOi9)
BS? He just caved to Nancy.. Get your head out of your ass, dickhead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (so+oy)
I notice you didn't dispute the fact that you've been a nevertrumper since the day you showed up here.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (TAmPV)
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (PbpT7)
I think it's a sign of the times.
Posted by: Max Power at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (mnAmV)
There will not be another shutdown in this cycle. Bank on it. Neither side wants to go there again, so soon.
Posted by: Gref at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Glenn John at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (LilNs)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (/9p9e)
No sir - I still have rolls of TP in the bathroom.
Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (mnAmV)
Unlike Paul Ryan, she can whip the votes with the best of them.
Posted by: spinner at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (vl1RP)
Posted by: spinner at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (vl1RP)
Yup, just lost a chunk of his base, because the Base saw the DC insiders win.
Posted by: Obi Don Quixote at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: IC at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (RD7QR)
The president knows this tactic better than most.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:08 PM (IBzqd)
The scum won't fund a penny. This has gone on too long.
Trump should have told the Democrats to go fuck themselves, kept government closed and did the EO.
Fuck them all.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: Zod at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Naturalfake at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (9X624)
but the news is running a million stories about it. never saw those in the past. and never saw it when major industries had a layoff. but go figure.
I hope, this is the last chance nanzi has, and he's going to give a big, beautiful SOTU speech and the world gets to see the dems get unhinged and wonder why notorious rbg isn't in attendance...
Posted by: SturmToddler at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (8D42x)
PDT still wants the wall. He's giving the Dem rats one more chance to get their shit together.
After this, it's war.
That's the way I'm reading it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (ptqGC)
That's exactly my take, too, Jane.
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Infidel at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (9L2du)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (LL1Be)
*****
Soon as you call out Ben & Chi Town Jerry's he goes to that stuff
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (wGbBR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (m8J9w)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (IBzqd)
Posted by: Floyd of Rosedale at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (ICaYg)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (g0yk9)
Trump can't solve decades of dot gov BS in just the first half of his first term. He needs time and room to operate. What he doesn't need is a bunch of Nancy's running around with their hair on fire every time something doesn't go perfectly.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (XJktg)
Whatever, I give up. I don't know who's a troll any more.
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (PbpT7)
Slats are important for the outermost barrier as it allows the defenders to see an approaching enemy. If multiple layers are allowed the second fence/wall can be solid so the enemy cannot observe the defense.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (1g7ch)
After this, it's war.
That's the way I'm reading it.
Ceptin this shutdown what giving the Dem rats one more chance.
He got nothing for this.
Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (9VeU0)
Why is there an emoji on my post 209? I do not know how it happened.
Posted by: Glenn John at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (LilNs)
I agree with some of you, he is giving Congress one more chance.
Remember, the *first* thing he said was "I hope I don't have to use my powerful option" (i.e. declaring an emergency).
He is giving cover to the fucking wishy washy dipshit Congressmen so they can save face.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Moe at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (7HtZB)
It's a cavelet. Which is sort of cute ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (x/98h)
Posted by: Hands at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Jonah at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (HrSJb)
Trump has the power to start the wall, via emergency powers, but he wants to make sure that it is obvious he has exhausted every other option first. I can see impeachment hearings being floated over his use of the emergency power.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (aWhzp)
Posted by: IC at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (PbpT7)
Lotta damage done. Going to take a long time to heal.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (P83tS)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (g0yk9)
++++
LOL prepping is a meme. Buy some more camping stuff chuckles
Posted by: Total Control Racist at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (NTNHK)
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Les Kinetic at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (+fPHo)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (x/98h)
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: Pablo at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (g/h6+)
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (PbpT7)
They hide and lurk like roaches.
Posted by: IC at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (ptqGC)
Hard to argue for Border Security when the only guys in the government besides military who back you not getting paid.
Those are the patriots he was talking to.
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (LL1Be)
No 'temporary' there.
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2019 02:14 PM (hIayt)
Sadly, 2020 rapidly approaches.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (LXTiX)
Her poll numbers went up and she's now more popular than the President...
This is Fake News nonsense.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (c1VyR)
#12years
Posted by: AOC at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (mnAmV)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
.........
It's a stupid statement.. that's why..
I am a Trump supporter, A-hole.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (so+oy)
I've seen too many "temporary" government actions that somehow never end.
He caved. Now the only thing is to see how much damage has been done and whether his Presidency is effectively over.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (GMm7B)
Posted by: Pablo at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (g/h6+)
BINGO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (m8J9w)
And ideally, it's a mastic-covered mat from the Gulf to the Pacific, specked with writhing humanity.
Transborder Industrial Mastic Human Flypaper Array.
Now more than ever.
Posted by: Zod at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (DuAZ5)
Posted by: Muns at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (9+/5k)
Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: davidt at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (jGvbj)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (g0yk9)
Take non payment of workers off the table.
Give them a short time to come up with funding.
Go hard after deporting.
Start getting dreamers sent back.
No wall funding declare you did what you could do then repurpose DoD funds for wall.
Then tell them to get a full budget together.
Posted by: walruskkkch at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (7pBm6)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (W1Xiw)
I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome all of the single-name first-time commenters to the HQ.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (veoSD)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Glenn John
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He has given Pelosi plenty of chances. When she still refuses to negotiate, he can act on his own. Nobody can then legitimately claim he acted rashly.
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It'll make it harder for them to win uphold the preliminary injunction the Hawaii judge is going to award when Trump declares an emergency.
Does he get to make SOTU on Tues . . . that could be something
Does the Super bowl get played instead of cancelled due to ATC airport issues?
Does he get a giant bullet proof political center piece that the Dems cant and won't govern even in the face of American's dying?
Does the coast guard get paid?
Those people aren't making 136K per year like the Air Traffic Contollers . . .
Posted by: simplemind at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (HFkTi)
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (cF8AT)
Some people's spleens are loaded (and so are they!), so they have to empty them out.
Serious considerations are not to be had that way, and I do kinda forgive the occasional TDS that occurs from the fellas who think Trump should be setting up guillotines and trebuchet for everyone to the left of Pinochet.
I figure there's a sizable overlap between these folks and those who yell "KILL EM" at their tv when WWE is on.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (a2xio)
Posted by: Russian stooge at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (myrLZ)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (IBzqd)
+ Government opens up again
+ Paycheques go out to the worthless and essential alike
+ Experience makes future shutdowns an empty threat
+ No wall
+ Let's all work together???
+ No national emergency
+ Pelosi looks invincible
+ Still indicting the President's allies
In short, exactly where we were at the start of the shutdown.
What have we gained? Exactly?
Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (81uw/)
wants to make sure that it is obvious he has exhausted every other
option first. I can see impeachment hearings being floated over his use
of the emergency power.
Exactly.
He is going to even more treacherous territory. God help him.
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (LL1Be)
Heh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (m8J9w)
We don't know what's going on in DC. Maybe Trump knows what he's doing. Maybe he lost his nerve. Maybe he doesn't have the political capital we want to believe he does. And maybe he's taking a gamble.
Until or unless we do know one or more of those things, I'm not jumping on either the "It's a 4-D chess power move!" or the "Now he's selling us out too!" bandwagons.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (7nZdn)
Posted by: chique d'afrique at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (9hauA)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (x/98h)
*******
Yep a Guy who is worth Billions dealing in thee cutthroat NYC real Estate BIDNESS & dealing with Unions & more importantly Mafia is going to get played by San Fran Nan & Chuck The Schmuck
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (BqBId)
Let's privatize ATC, like we should have done in the 1980s. Use this teachable moment.
Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (mk9aG)
I dont understand why trump wont just declare an emergency
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (SW5SE)
There's the SOTU and, as somebody just mentioned, the Super Bowl.
He'll never go the "declare an emergency" route. It's a loser and he knows it. That's just big talk - empty threats. The 9th Circuit would shut that down immediately, and it wouldn't be overturned until his next term (which might not happen without some significant progress on The Wall). In other words, it's not a power move - it's a surrender.
Posted by: Optimizer at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (hOOi9)
Yep.
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:19 PM (LL1Be)
Like last time?
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: Pug Mahon at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (xPJvm)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (kjKrC)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (aWhzp)
They are already floated just for being named Trump. He will be impeached by the House, there is no doubt about that. The details of what for don't matter.
So, I guess the new thing is #threeweeks?
Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: Jon at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (q+ZaN)
The president knows this tactic better than most.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:08 PM
Yes. It becomes the Union... er, the Dem shutdown next time. Also, it prevents some of the plans that are desperately pulled out of thin air.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (/+bwe)
Posted by: jakee308 at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (GMm7B)
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (5AVMW)
As an aside, the record will note that Zod was referred to as a 'brownshirt' in the heady early days for supporting Trump.
Zod has a low, low Trump party number.
Posted by: Zod at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (Bdeb0)
At least it's only 3 weeks..
and Trump should learn not to claim the shutdown as his own next time. Let it be Nancy's and Chucky's.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (x/98h)
LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (m8J9w)
Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (xfb67)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (g0yk9)
PDT did not give the Norks a public "my way or the highway" ultimatum in his summit meeting last year. I'll bet he has given a private ultimatum to Nan-Nan and Chuckie. I'll trust PDT to negotiate to fit the situation and personalities.
Posted by: Gref at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (AMIL/)
Articles have already been presented, on day one of the new House.
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Mike at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (+S3WW)
I figure there's a sizable overlap between these folks and those who yell "KILL EM" at their tv when WWE is on.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (a2xio)
YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!!
Posted by: Dr. T at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (7nZdn)
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:26
and, so many regular commenters stopped listening after the first 2 minutes and preferred to say what DJT should say, should do, he caved, he gave up the fight.
Damned if he wears a red MAGA cap and damned if he doesn't.
Posted by: GretelM at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (2CtSR)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (W1Xiw)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Pug Mahon at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (xPJvm)
*Closes the door behind them*
Now. Bring me some baby oil, gin...and Sinema.
Posted by: Zod at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (so+oy)
**********
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH & I am Miss Cleo send me your money & I will tell you your future
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at January 25, 2019 02:30 PM (5AVMW)
Drop mic....
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (W1Xiw)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: ShainS -- Registered Hat Offender at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (cT1GC)
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (cF8AT)
Can't build the wall, too expensive Nancy?
Then we can't afford any entitlements to illegals. Forbid any incentives. Cut out the free shit army stuff. cut cut cut
Might be more effective than a wall anyway in the long term.
Posted by: ShitsWithBulls at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (CDCKr)
Trump rattling, threatening to unsheath, his inherent constitutional powers to get things done.
In the last sentence! Not impressed by any of this, but still laughing at Trump's style (which I love).
Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (QDnY+)
Bipartisan committee and Trust the Plan are not good enough.
Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (81uw/)
so many one word screennames
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (PbpT7)
And they don't use capital letters.
Suspicious.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (a2xio)
Posted by: chique d'afrique at January 25, 2019 02:28 PM (9hauA)
It's a dangerous mindset to get in.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pre-Fab Tru-Con Brand Cuck-Sheds Now At the Outrage Outlet! at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (VeUrT)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (/tuJf)
Trump has the power to start the wall, via emergency powers, but he wants to make sure that it is obvious he has exhausted every other option first. I can see impeachment hearings being floated over his use of the emergency power.
This is a great write up for some of our more confused commenters and trolls. Trump is just one man. It's Trump vs. the uni-party. Cut him some fucking slack. Fat lady hasn't even taken the stage, let alone begun to sing.
Posted by: Max Power at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (q177U)
-----
Well, when an 8 and a ) love each other *very* much...
Posted by: Captain Obvious at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (Hx3Yn)
Posted by: Hands at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (786Ro)
didn't he say that he expected good fait deals from both sides over and over, kind of like he was emphasizing it, for some reason? battlefield prep? easier to say, hey I tried, when you've done everything thy ask and still can't get them to budge.
of course the media will still lie, but who knows.
Posted by: SturmToddler at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (8D42x)
It's a stupid statement.. that's why..
I am a Trump supporter, A-hole.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:27 PM (so+oy)
You sir are full of shit.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (TAmPV)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (RpM6k)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (so+oy)
Going to be a long war.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (bcbK8)
Oh well.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:21 PM (cF8AT)
The Wall has been a no brainer since Day 1. He keeps putting it off. End of story.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: Jake Blues at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (ICaYg)
Posted by: Serious Cat at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (Xqo6t)
so many one word screennames
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (PbpT7)
And they don't use capital letters.
Suspicious.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (a2xio)
I know! When I troll I use capital letters and aim for correct spelling and punctuation. It is sad to see so many without any pride in their work.
Sad! Bigly.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pre-Fab Tru-Con Brand Cuck-Sheds Now At the Outrage Outlet! at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: BignJames at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (cxHbL)
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: AkRonin at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (Qj/rh)
**********
Kind of tough to hear over the whining
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: rickl at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (xjiRE)
Trump has the power to start the wall, via emergency powers, but he wants to make sure that it is obvious he has exhausted every other option first. I can see impeachment hearings being floated over his use of the emergency power.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (aWhzp)
----------------------
This is my read as well, but the last couple of sentences were key. If no funding deal, he will declare a State of Emergency.
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (kjKrC)
Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (INCeP)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (t6MX/)
I'm gonna bite my tongue.
But only until some of you cocksuckers start your cucky bullshit with attacking Ann Coulter.
Like she's the problem. No, CUCKS are the problem.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (c1VyR)
My liberal acquaintances tell me that I am an A-hole Trump supporter.
Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (mnAmV)
You see, the $165K FCC clerk was on furlough, so my test results could not be typed in.
Another BS, non-essential job that ought to be privatized.
Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (mk9aG)
https://pbs.tw___.com/media/DxtzeNxU8AA8Fe_.jpg
Posted by: Jose at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (Yzham)
Yeah, a number of people around here have only two modes: Still Not Tired of Winning and The Sky is Falling.
Posted by: rickl at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (xjiRE)
Yup, it's very tiring.
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Mike at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (+S3WW)
The old man just 41nd himself.
Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (DfGpI)
Okay, there's a two hours delay at Newark because of a shortage of TSA workers.
That's tragic considering that the TSA delay is usually 1 hour and 55 minutes when fully staffed.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (RpM6k)
The problem is that we'll get three weeks of 24-hour nonstop bullshit from the MFM, setting him up as the Hitler of our times, for being so racist to insist those lovely brown sweethearts cause us any harm at all.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (+fPHo)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (jsWA8)
dude we may be aging but we do have freaking memories!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (Rarvo)
The wall should have been priority 1 in 2017. Instead the gop spent a year on tax cuts for Bezos and Zuckerberg and non-repeal of OCare that went nowhere.
That is the problem. Tofay's cave is a byproduct.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (W1Xiw)
And does it change the nature of the next shutdown from, "Oops, we didn't get a budget", to
"We planned on cutting your budget to Zero$"?
Two very different things.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (1g7ch)
Can somebody make me a sammich?
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (14URa)
Alright, you're a sammich.
Posted by: Alexa at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (t6MX/)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (bcbK
(Slumps, looks into the fire, absently poking the embers with a stick).
"Huh. Himmand waljeb."
Posted by: Zod at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (jsWA8)
He ended with this:
"We really have no choice but to build a WALL. If we get nothing from congress, we either have a shutdown again or I will use the powers given to me to address this emergency!"
Drop mic....
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Infidel at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (9L2du)
gosh that's really not true at all
very small percentage of people on twitter
and dropping
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (Rarvo)
I can't believe morons aren't loving this. Trump saves the best line for last.
...."or I'm mooting the whole game and declaring an emergency." (drops mic)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: Mark1971 at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (GbPPJ)
This was/is also done by PLO, Hamas, HezbAllah et al.
They get their butt kicked and yell for peace talks while they load up on new rockets and rearrange the hierarchy to replace the ones who got zapped.
It's an old tried and true tactic and Trump has let it happen.
I think 3 weeks is too long.
His Presidency has one foot on a banana peel and the other in the toilet.
frankly after 50 years of watching this go on over various things (and the immigration crisis has shown up 4-5 times before and never resolved) I don't have much more f**ks to give that they will actually continue to argue/discuss a fix.
Also how many thousands will cross the border in the meantime?
Posted by: jakee308 at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (GMm7B)
After this, it's war.
That's the way I'm reading it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (ptqGC)
That's exactly my take, too, Jane.
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (14URa)
He's a year too late.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (wCmLp)
Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (L/iaS)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (GBteo)
Sometimes this place needs an enema
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (kjKrC)
Or, at the very least, industrial strength Summer's Eve.
How you doin', grammie?Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (14URa)
Posted by: spinner at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (vl1RP)
so many one word screennames
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2019 02:26 PM (PbpT7)
I think you hurt some some folks pretty bad yesterday, with ya know WORDS. so they're loading up...that is if this is really you Ace.
Hey do we have a secret question we can ask Ace to confirm its him? Wait I'm banned? Oh yeah...there's that.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (pLgt/)
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (kjKrC)
******
AMEN !! UnderFire gave himself one & got banned, Kreplach is gone, CN & HUGE BIGLEAGUE Trump Supporter Chi-Town Jerry are still here though
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:36 PM (BqBId)
There is another ACE up the president's sleeve that you're all overlooking.
The power to put the kibosh on all the Gravy, i.e., the Pork that all these Congressional Shits depend on to line their pockets.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 02:36 PM (c1VyR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (m8J9w)
This is EXACTLY what has happened.
Gonna need more beer.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:36 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: Carny barker at January 25, 2019 02:36 PM (aKsyK)
Can somebody make me a sammich?
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (14URa)
Alright, you're a sammich.
Posted by: Alexa at January 25, 2019 02:34 PM (t6MX/)
Do you wannabe pastrami on rye with mustard?
Posted by: tux at January 25, 2019 02:36 PM (wNN8A)
It's as simple as that.
Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (eAshZ)
Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (L/iaS)
As an aside, the record will note that Zod was referred to as a 'brownshirt' in the heady early days for supporting Trump.
Zod has a low, low Trump party number.
Posted by: Zod at January 25, 2019 02:29 PM (Bdeb0)
Yeah, I almost got ban'd by Ace once for my Trump support.
That was very early on...
Posted by: Obi Don Quixote at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (NgKpN)
I could go either way, but I never believed the wall would be built.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (jsWA8)
Like everyone else we will have to see where this goes. And as noted by a few commenters, it is impossible to know exactly what Trump's strategery is here.
And it's far, far from "trollish" to be bearish on all of this. Anyone familiar, actually familiar, with the reality, substance, and politics of these issues for the past 3 decades has very good reason to be pessimistic.
Specific substantive points, whether optimistic or pessimistic, need specific substantive responses. Well, it's more interesting if they get them, anyway. But understood it's an internet comment section, so ad hominems and emotion and superficial reactions will be a constant.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (QDnY+)
He didn't cave. He set the Democrats up.
Some of you seem to not understand that whether you like it or not politics actually matters and Trump is up against the left and the media and some in his own Party. Optics do matter.
He gave them 3 weeks and told them either come up with a deal that includes the wall or he will shut the government down again or use his emergency powers.
He has to show he has gone the extra mile to exhaust all normal procedures before pulling that switch and now he has done it.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at January 25, 2019 02:22 PM (SW5SE)
There's the SOTU and, as somebody just mentioned, the Super Bowl.
He'll never go the "declare an emergency" route. It's a loser and he knows it. That's just big talk - empty threats. The 9th Circuit would shut that down immediately, and it wouldn't be overturned until his next term (which might not happen without some significant progress on The Wall). In other words, it's not a power move - it's a surrender.
=====
The Hawaii judge is waiting with a preliminary injunction in his pocket.
It'll be appealed. But the record will be better if they tried to everything they could before declaring an emergency. It would set terrible precedent but I'd not be surprised to see the Deep state do it to Trump - I don't trust Roberts at all and I'm not completely sure of the new guy yet.
Also in three weeks it'll be hard for them to hide that Ruth is room temperature.
Posted by: simplemind at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (Mfy7q)
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (kjKrC)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (pLgt/)
Posted by: tux at January 25, 2019 02:36 PM (wNN8A)
No mustard. Sheesh, it's like you've never met me. Oh, wait. Double pastrami and make sure it's hot all the way through. And a kosher dill, please.
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (14URa)
*thud*
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (RpM6k)
Posted by: Jonah at January 25, 2019 02:25 PM (HrSJb)
Ok fine we get it.
He's still right about today though.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (LXTiX)
If Trump couldn't get wall funding then, how will he get it now?
Posted by: spinner at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (vl1RP)
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (kjKrC)
Grammie, think about this: only 17 days left . . . until Spring Training. BTW, does "church pirate" mean you've switched your NL loyalty to Pittsburgh?
Posted by: Basement Cat at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (3C9q2)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: tux at January 25, 2019 02:36 PM (wNN8A)
"I'm sorry, pastrami is not a meat fit for human consumption. Mutants eat pastrami. Wouldn't you much rather have some nice shaved corned beef?"
Posted by: Alexa at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (c1VyR)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation
TY, Can't resist
If we abandon Trump, who is left for us to have even a glimmer of hope?
Posted by: GretelM at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (2CtSR)
Posted by: Mark1971 at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM (xPl2J)
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Border security has overwhelming voter and general public support.
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (ffYR/)
This is a great write up for some of our more confused commenters and trolls. Trump is just one man. It's Trump vs. the uni-party. Cut him some fucking slack. Fat lady hasn't even taken the stage, let alone begun to sing.
Posted by: Max Power at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (q177U)
There are a lot of folks who demand perfection.
I know I'm not perfect, not sure about anyone else.
As far as I am concerned, Trump has shown good faith in fulfilling his promises,and I didn't even vote for him.
I am willing to cut him some slack. Almost the entire political and media establishment, including people in his own party, are arrayed against him.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (9hauA)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (xfb67)
After this, it's war.
That's the way I'm reading it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (ptqGC)
This. Plus it gets Border Patrol and Coast Guard folks paid. (Along with the rest of the government flotsam, but there's no help for that)
Posted by: Antisocialist at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (ZsLbm)
+++++
Well lets see..... She is all about herself & is a chain smoking, cokehead who used to fuck Bill Maher. HMMMMM sounds totes kool
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (oVJmc)
there are already very successful sections up and being effective.
we just need more of them
until we've covered the whole area
its ok to not necessarily do it in one fell swoop.
but you have to keep progressing on it
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (Rarvo)
Posted by: rickl at January 25, 2019 02:33 PM (xjiRE)
It must be hard, going from one extreme to the other.
Actually, it's super easy, barely an inconvenience!
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (a2xio)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
*highfive*
I hate that 8 years of Obama got even the most freedom loving people to get their dicks in a knot over every political twist and turn.
Nothing is over. Nothing.
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (14URa)
IKR and a 6 pack
Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (L/iaS)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (KUaJL)
forced trumps hand imho
Posted by: harley1911 at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (AmxVK)
Posted by: Mike at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (+S3WW)
Posted by: ole miss at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (OOqqd)
Posted by: davidingeorgia at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (ANOYc)
I understand why the President doesn't want a complete collapse of the airline industry or executive branch. But this is not the first continuing resolution he's signed.
I would rather he succeed, obviously, but this isn't a success. If he's going to declare an emergency, do it now. Don't sound the all clear while promising to so it. Makes him look silly.
Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (81uw/)
Then we should probably roll up the carpet and pack the trucks.
No way we ever so much as Place in an Optics War.
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (gnkR8)
Your sammich may be available from other sellers on Amazon but without free shipping. Shall I order from them?
Posted by: Alexa at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (myrLZ)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (4wipQ)
I guess this is poll driven. But honestly I think the polls are fake. I
have yet to hear one single person in real life express any concern
about the federal workers missing their salary.
Posted by: Naturalfake at January 25, 2019 02:18 PM (9X624)
but the news is running a million stories about it. never saw those
in the past. and never saw it when major industries had a layoff. but go
figure.
I hope, this is the last chance nanzi has, and he's going to give a
big, beautiful SOTU speech and the world gets to see the dems get
unhinged and wonder why notorious rbg isn't in attendance...
Posted by: SturmToddler at January 25, 2019 02:24 PM (8D42x)
Will Nancy relent and allow a SOTU?
I think not.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Obi Don Quixote at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (NgKpN)
Yep. Early in the "I'm gonna quit running this blog and become a Democrat, and no, I'm not gonna eat my peas!" days.
Posted by: Alexa at January 25, 2019 02:39 PM (Bdeb0)
We will have to wait and see how everything plays out. I know there were Dem senators bitching that Pelosi wouldn't go ahead and fund the wall, so now there is maneuvering room on both sides. The one thing we have to guard against is giving up too much just for a partial wall. And of course the Dems have a bunch of radical freshmen who will make them pay for any deal. This will be interesting.
Posted by: Thatch at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (NCFCd)
with a deal that includes the wall or he will shut the government down
again or use his emergency powers.
He has to show he has gone the extra mile to exhaust all normal procedures before pulling that switch and now he has done it.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (/tuJf)
^^^THIS.
Even though the media will lie about PDT, he has to go through the motions and exhaust every chance.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (8iiMU)
As opposed to before caving on the shutdown and giving Schumer/Pelosi a big win?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (39g3+)
I could go either way, but I never believed the wall would be built.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (r+sAi)
Yeah, those temporary tolls on the Jersey Turnpike will be taken out as soon as the highway pays for itself by the early 1970's.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (GBteo)
Hang tough. Trust. Do your job. Take care of your kids.
He's got this.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Alexa at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (Bdeb0)
Ok, shaved corned beef, heavily smoked.
Posted by: tux at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (wNN8A)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (VeUrT)
Dithering makes it looks like it is not an emergency.
Posted by: MAGA at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (KLw72)
I think 3 weeks is too long
+++
Keep an eye out for activities related to a declared national emergency. Like maybe troops being shifted police setting barriers
Posted by: Total Control Racist at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (NTNHK)
Posted by: Zod at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (L/iaS)
Seems about half on this thread already have.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (/tuJf)
You're getting a wee bit better. Just a bit. But wow, becoming a good troll sure must have a steep learning curve.
Posted by: Hands at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (786Ro)
********
They are arrested adolescences & they want what they want & they want it last week
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (BqBId)
I know, just thought of the victory rack being pressed into my shins is enough to send me to my bunk!
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (gnkR8)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (8iiMU)
Me either, its always been just a campaign slogan, but I had hopes he'd follow through with it anyway despite not really caring about it one way or another. The guy is in real estate and construction, he's not exactly tore up about illegals.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: The Paolo at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (tv7DV)
with a deal that includes the wall or he will shut the government down
again or use his emergency powers.
He has to show he has gone the extra mile to exhaust all normal procedures before pulling that switch and now he has done it.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (/tuJf)
^^^THIS.
Even though the media will lie about PDT, he has to go through the motions and exhaust every chance.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (8iiMU)
Show who, though?
The media isn't going to say, "oooh, shit! You know what? We should be more fair on our reporting here. After all, Trump did do [x]." Neither is the left. The LIV's are just going to go by what the media says.
And Trump's supporters are just going to be pissed at a perceived cave.
I mean, cmon.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (GBteo)
And for the record, I ordered my MAGA hat from Amazon yesterday.
Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (9VeU0)
I better learn to code.
Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (DfGpI)
Some of you seem to not understand that whether you like it or not politics actually matters and Trump is up against the left and the media and some in his own Party. Optics do matter.
He gave them 3 weeks and told them either come up with a deal that includes the wall or he will shut the government down again or use his emergency powers.
He has to show he has gone the extra mile to exhaust all normal procedures before pulling that switch and now he has done it.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (/tuJf)
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Yep. All of this.
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (ffYR/)
And maybe a seltzer.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (oVJmc)
How about a good steaming?
Posted by: Gwynneth at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (hLRSq)
This is in no way a cave. It's Trump picking up the Shutdown rock so he can drop it on them again. Three weeks removes the pressure from him, but NOT from the Democrats, because if they don't deal then this happens all over again. The happy talk about the Democrats being so reasonable is exactly what he always does in order to put pressure on the people he's negotiating with. And it works, very well. From the rope-a-dope of the "shutdown has ended" to "...for three weeks" it's setting the Democrats up for another punch.
People haven't been so needlessly panicked over an obvious strategy since the Kavanaugh hearings. Watch and learn instead of being led around by fearmongers.
Posted by: GalosGann at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (+3acz)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (L/iaS)
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (14URa)
I'm sorry. I don't know that.
Posted by: Alexa at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (t6MX/)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (8iiMU)
the plight of homeless lowercase-singlename americans is a visible indictment of this straight up racism where such things are neglected in favor of the white man's "walls".
Posted by: waraiotoko at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:20 PM (LL1Be)
That's longer than 3 weeks isn't it?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (g0yk9)
Hmmm.......
______________________________________
Border Patrol, ICE and Coast Guard.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (RpM6k)
Whether this is mainly a tactical retreat/defeat or a strategic one depends on what happens during the next couple of weeks. The problem with bi-partisan deals is that the Dems have traditionally rolled Republicans in such things by getting what they want and nothing of what the Republicans in Congress claim they want thus the initial BOHICA reaction to any sort of deal in threads like this.
There are some other confounding issues is that crises such as Venezuela, intelligence of possible terrorist strikes, and the possible need of replacement of RBG, might also require funding at some level or there might be evidence that it is beginning to impact the economy through declines in corporate investment, etc. Not having POTUS sources of intelligence about things to come might affect us. We also have no idea of Mueller's operation and what it is doing which the White House probably does.
The media provides air cover to the Dems and much of the alternative Republican media are creatures of Chamber of Commerce which hate DJT and emerging nationalism with a passion. DJT's support in the House and Senate is shallow because most of them have goals to avoid any confrontations in order to win reelection.
Few, if any, have any real principles to speak of instead of personal enrichment, media coverage by being a maverick, and power. Just look at the despicable Senate Intelligence Cmte's bi-partisan behavior for example.
Thus, DJT may feel that a SOTU address that allows him to speak unfiltered to the public may be his best option politically. It has worked in the past, namely Reagan's speech before Congress after surviving an assassination attempt.
Posted by: whig at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (Kvi3C)
Posted by: Jonah Goldbrick at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (Kpl3J)
That's extremely frightening
So what, we were actually looking at the end of Free Shit and the concomitant rioting ?
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (Rarvo)
And, that's what we call oversharing.
Posted by: Brak Mak at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (+yD9y)
No, oversharing would be telling how the TSA guy used his dick to...I see your point
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (bcbK8)
Hey do we have a secret question we can ask Ace to confirm its him? Wait I'm banned? Oh yeah...there's that.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner!' at January 25, 2019 02:35 PM
You don't memorize everyone's hash?
Ace is easy, it starts with Pb - the symbol for lead.
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (gnkR8)
Now they'll have to try to rely on the courts to stop him when he declares a national emergency and secures funding. Thanks to the 2 new justices that the NeverTrump fags would rather Hillary have appointed, it is highly likely his power move will be upheld.
Quit your fucking crying, already.
Posted by: Emilio Lizardo, Ph.D. at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (5R+R7)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (8iiMU)
Me either, its always been just a campaign slogan, but I had hopes he'd follow through with it anyway despite not really caring about it one way or another. The guy is in real estate and construction, he's not exactly tore up about illegals.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 0
It was more than just a slogan. It's the promise that led him to victory.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (VeUrT)
Yeah, what a loss. I'll go vote !Jeb!
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (4wipQ)
********
PSSSSST Here is a protip... you can't be convinced of what you don't want to believe
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (I0dNi)
Posted by: ShainS -- Registered Hat Offender at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (cT1GC)
I didn't watch the presser, but what makes everyone so sure that the Dem's in the House are willing to do a 3-week CR?
What if they say 6-month CR or no deal?
Trump already showed he's willing to back down.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (GBteo)
333 that's the point. if he wanted a wall, he'd have p7shed this two years ago, not when he was sure Pelosi would block it
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (g0yk9)
It might take a wee bit of quiet, calm thought, but I think sometimes people aren't quite seeing the forest for the.... eh, wall.
The wall really ain't about the wall. I mean, yeah, it kinda sorta is, but there are two crucial tasks ahead of Trump: 1. Destroy the Democrats and tame/kill the Gopes, and 2. Protect the border.
Can't really do the second unless you do the first, and if you don't do the first, no wall is going to stand high and tall and long enough to accomplish the second.
Let the man work.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (a2xio)
Posted by: Max Power at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (q177U)
I agree about one man, and I love the guy, but face it..... this is a cave, plain and simple.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (zmIJL)
I think you hurt some some folks pretty bad yesterday, with ya know WORDS.
Yeah. Seems a lot of the NRO staff lurk here and a lot of them weren't happy with you along with a few other assorted cucks and cuck sockers.
Have to admire you for the enemies you make.
They deserved every bit but since they're scared they're lashing out.
NRO is NEXT on the sinking cruise ship of cuck conservatism.
Ahoy. glug glug.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (GMm7B)
I mean, cmon.
Yeah I get optimism but this is just silly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (39g3+)
No can do. I'm not privy to what he is thinking, nor am I able to see the future. You'll have to wait with the rest of us mortals and see how things unfold. It could be a win, it could be a loss, or it could be just a muddle-mess.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pre-Fab Tru-Con Brand Cuck-Sheds Now At the Outrage Outlet! at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (hLRSq)
That or AllahPundit can't do socks very well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (4wipQ)
Posted by: washrivergal at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (aWjrD)
This is getting repetitive.
Electing Trump IS the exhaustion of normal procedures.
Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Obi Don Quixote at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (NgKpN)
"Good news that the workers are getting paid. We will pass legislation in teh Senate about homeland security so it can go to joint conference committee...."
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (8iiMU)
21 days is how long it's gonna be open
everybody needs to get ready for some Kung Fu Fightin'
Posted by: the Man who Burps in French and works for the USG at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (9HuGt)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:40 PM (8iiMU)
He's done that for 2+ years. President Trump has done magnificently with his executive power, but the largest Republican failings- exploding deficits, Obamacare, Mueller witch hunt, the ongoing coup- are down to extending chances to people who do not deserve it.
There are a lot of things demanding the President's attention, but few are quite as important as having a functional government with good border enforcement.
Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 02:45 PM (81uw/)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (CQ3Qb)
Maybe its a leap week?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:45 PM (GBteo)
--
That's contrary to every poll I've seen on the subject. Especially regarding illegal immigration being the #1 concern of Americans at this stage. People want the illegals stopped.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 25, 2019 02:45 PM (JoUsr)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (IBzqd)
Congress allocates funding, and for particular things. Nobody can just move money around like that.
Posted by: tcn in AK at January 25, 2019 02:45 PM (NXsWM)
Posted by: jakee308 at January 25, 2019 02:45 PM (GMm7B)
Posted by: x at January 25, 2019 02:45 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:32 PM (so+oy)
And then he gets cock blocked by a judge, and accomplishes nothing.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:45 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (DuAZ5)
He's got this.
Posted by: nurse ratched
...
Exactly.
And do not forget Turtle Shit and the 6 Traitors.
Nevertrumpers are like that little linguist fucker in Saving Private
Ryan getting their fellow soldiers killed in the name of peace.
When your "friends" are shitting their pants and disarming you while making deals with your enemies...your options are limited.
MAGA, bitches. Stand the fuck by.
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (LL1Be)
Ace is right.. it IS temporary.. and possibly some of the next shutdown can be put on Chuck and Nancy...
But they have the entire American media on their side.. a bunch of bullshit made up statistics about illegals, how the wall is ineffective, etc.. etc..
24/7 on all the news outlets.
So.. not hair on fire.. but distressing.. Nancy will be emboldened by this temporary win.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (so+oy)
Let's not forget that there's a major thing going on with Venezuela
right now - he has bigger things to worry about. If he plays his cards
wrong on THAT, Venezuela becomes the next Cuba, only much, much bigger.
Posted by: Optimizer at January 25, 2019 02:23 PM (hOOi9)
Oh great, another war. That's sure to win people over.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: Marooned at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (8hRlF)
He could have done this 2 years ago.
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (g0yk9)
Two years ago he was surrounded by a bunch of backstabbing thieves and didn't know who he could trust.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (TAmPV)
Cue up the football? Or sincere?
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: tcn in AK at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (NXsWM)
Posted by: GalosGann at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (+3acz)
Yep. The "OMG it's all over withdraw fall back pull out" was strong then too. Chill folks. Have a drink. Have numerous drinks. Shoot up some eye heroin. Molest a groundhog. Whatever it is that calms you down. We'll reconvene the flaming pate convention in three weeks.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (VeUrT)
neither am I. but I am biggly disappointed
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:47 PM (m8J9w)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:37 PM (/tuJf)
Exactly this. He knows there will be lawsuits and screaming. He had to do what he just did.
Oh, and there is no provision in the national emergency law for judicial review. House has to disapprove, and the Senate has 15 days after that to agree or allow the declaration to stand. No judge can issue a TRO on a national emergency.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at January 25, 2019 02:47 PM (XJktg)
Who did he make the deal with?
Is he going to send the Pelosi House deal to the Senate and then sign it?
I'm confused.
Posted by: Obi Don Quixote at January 25, 2019 02:47 PM (NgKpN)
+++
He knew pelosi would be in power 2 years ago???
Posted by: Total Control Racist at January 25, 2019 02:47 PM (NTNHK)
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:38 PM (14URa)
I'm sorry. I don't know that.
Posted by: Alexa at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (t6MX/)
Got it. No mustard. Kosher dill on the side?
Posted by: tux at January 25, 2019 02:47 PM (wNN8A)
MEH !
Now cease your panicking or I will taunt you a second time !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (5fNnO)
Personally, I wouldn't give Pelosi a day off for her own mother's funeral.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (aWjrD)
Well she ain't getting an Air Force plane that's for damn sure.
Posted by: President Richard Punch at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (VeUrT)
neither am I. but I am biggly disappointed
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:47 PM (m8J9w)
Right. It's not like I'm now saying "Jeb! was the better choice."
Just that this looks to me like a huge strategic blunder on Trump's fault.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm cynical enough and have been politically engaged long enough to know that this is the first step in a story that ends with "no wall."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: x at January 25, 2019 02:45 PM (nFwvY)
>>>>>>>>>>>
And who to put on point with a non-functioning rifle and a squeaky pair of boots.
Posted by: Emilio Lizardo, Ph.D. at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (SOgjZ)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (4wipQ)
Posted by: Chris M at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (eAZVt)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (g0yk9)
With support from guys like "build the dang fence," McCain, how could he lose?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at January 25, 2019 02:49 PM (t6MX/)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm's PayPal at January 25, 2019 02:49 PM (eUVat)
Posted by: Hikaru at January 25, 2019 02:49 PM (UnA8+)
----
*snort*
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:49 PM (LL1Be)
Cue up the football? Or sincere?
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (jYje5)
I think Trump and Schumer actually can work together, and I suspect each knows a lot of dirt about the other from their long history in New York. Nan is the problem, and she is Schumer's problem.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 25, 2019 02:49 PM (kUmUV)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 25, 2019 02:49 PM (4wipQ)
Given that the SoyBoys were grumbling on Twitter yesterday about the side-blog merging with the main blog to create weapons-grade asshurt among them, I'm guessing a Cuck Moot was held to send trolls our way.
This will end well for them, I'm sure, just like in 2016 when they last decided to experiment with internet memery and trolling.
Posted by: El Kabong at January 25, 2019 02:49 PM (datdl)
This is getting repetitive.
Electing Trump IS the exhaustion of normal procedures.
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We really should have just jumped to Pinochet. We're just wasting time now.
Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2019 02:49 PM (kOpft)
And here he is all statesmen-like and giving Congress all the rope they need to hang themselves with.
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (X8ACe)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at January 25, 2019 02:47 PM (XJktg)
Dude there's no provision in the Constitution or most laws anywhere for judicial review.
Yet they do it every day.
They will *absolutely* review any national emergency proclamation, and I have *zero* doubt that the courts can and most likely will issue a TRO.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (GBteo)
Early night...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (/9p9e)
+++
Yep. Back to the old guessing games.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (aWjrD)
Ace is easy, it starts with Pb - the symbol for lead."
Nice. I don't usually pay much attention to hash's, but I like my current one. Well, that's because I decided to pronounce it as "K'Plah".
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (xqfqx)
I don't like it, but I am looking forward to The Intergalactic Troll-Master-In-Chief's speech.
SOTU Mood Music:
Alien Weaponry's album Tu.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (BfOXk)
Posted by: Cowboy Curtis at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (vtd+q)
So then what would you suggest? He has a maximum of 53 votes in the Senate for the wall. He needs 60. I'm no AmishDude but 53 is less than 60.
Either he gets some Democrat votes in the Senate and gets Nancy to pass a bill with wall funding or he has to go nuclear. This has always been the case. And when he goes nuclear he will need as much public support as he can get.
If he looks petty or like a dictator he will lose public support. If he appears reasonable in the face of overwhelming political resistance he may get more.
There never were any great options, he has to try shape the battle space in his favor to the extent he can. He just did that by giving them one more shot and told them they either negotiate a deal he can sign or they will force him to do it on his own.
It's only 3 weeks. The world isn't going to end. And then he will either do it or lose re-election.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (RpM6k)
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (gnkR8)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 25, 2019 02:49 PM (4wipQ)
I did not watch, I was not home. I guess I can / should watch the presser at some point.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (8erNz)
Link to Washington Times https://tinyurl.com/y9eog67l
Posted by: ole miss at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (OOqqd)
Para Bellum indeed.
Or Tokarev.
Or ACP.
Or....
Posted by: waraiotoko at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (AURKQ)
What if they say 6-month CR or no deal?
Trump already showed he's willing to back down.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:44 PM (GBteo)
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I can tell you didn't watch. He has offered one deal only. 3 weeks or he declares a State of Emergency. He did not back down, he set them up.
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (L/iaS)
That reminds me- anybody looking for a non-essential journalist? I can tweet with both thumbs.
Posted by: t-bird at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (Fjr+q)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (LL1Be)
But no one trusts Huber to unseal 1000+ indictments anymore, and the real enemy has not been slowed down. I'm not spending 2 years on the RBG deathwatch on the slim hope that the Judges will save America.
Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (81uw/)
Posted by: macleod at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (lhdgN)
Yet they do it every day.
They will *absolutely* review any national emergency proclamation, and I have *zero* doubt that the courts can and most likely will issue a TRO."
Very good point, and sad to say I must agree.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (VeUrT)
neither am I. but I am biggly disappointed
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2019 02:47 PM (m8J9w)
As I am I but the difference between being disappointed and exclaiming betrayal is bigley.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (VeUrT)
Do I still support him? Yes
Am I disappointed? Yes
If it the end of the world? No. But is fucking sucks that we lost this.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (W1Xiw)
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Unless your name is obama and you want to send pallets of cash to terrorists.
Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (kOpft)
Posted by: Chuck U Farley at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (kcdT1)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (Kpl3J)
Krep'lah?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (L/iaS)
beep. beep.
Posted by: Captain Ruth Bader Pike at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (mnAmV)
Posted by: TheNextBigNurse at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (zAGNE)
He is my President, fighting for my country.
I cannot and WILL NOT fail my oath and quit either.
There is nothing this person has done to date that indicates anything but resolve to win and make this country great again.
Nothing is going to shake my faith that we, the Americans will prevail in time over the social progressives that infest us, no matter the cost.
Never doubt, never quit.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (S/hVx)
I LOL'd IrishEi! Some much needed levity.
I refuse to be an eyeore about this, for now. But it is hard to fight against Nanzi on this, when 1) she really doesn't care if it hurts real people, 2) the press are carrying her water and blaming Trump as the only bully in this fight, 3) she is fueled by spite and the blood of virgins, but mostly spite.
What could make her cave? In what world would the press turn on her and make her realize to get anything done, she needs to actually compromise on things.
Posted by: LizLem at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: waraiotoko at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (AURKQ)
I guess some of you who didn't bother to actually listen to the speech
in favor of shouting DOOM every 5 seconds missed the ultimatum.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:31 PM (/tuJf)
#ThreeWeeks!
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at January 25, 2019 02:53 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: mikeyG at January 25, 2019 02:53 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (ffYR/)
I'm watching it now.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:53 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: I Smell Something Rotten at January 25, 2019 02:53 PM (IBt/r)
Posted by: waraiotoko at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (AURKQ)
Not guttural enough.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 25, 2019 02:53 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 02:52 PM (r+sAi)
BUT I WANT WHAT I WANT AND I WANT IT NOOOOOOWWWW!
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM (a2xio)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (n2qRY)
Do you have any idea how old this story is? I just turned 65 and I remember hearing about this when I was in my early 20s. It was some "Weekly World News" thing way back then.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM (p0pYQ)
Posted by: Kurt at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM (jQNiN)
Posted by: LizLem at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (Kpl3J)
Krep'lah?"
Only the Jewish Klingons say it that way.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: Total Control Racist at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM (NTNHK)
I agree. He is our nuclear option. I hope he's not forgetting that.
They will *absolutely* review any national emergency proclamation, and I have *zero* doubt that the courts can and most likely will issue a TRO."
Sure but... that would result in the government still being not "shut down" but it would be on Trump's terms, not Schumer and Pelosi. And in the end its very likely that the Supreme Court would rule in his favor, giving him the win without caving to the Democrats.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: Peaches at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (RpM6k)
Posted by: Emilio Lizardo, Ph.D. at January 25, 2019 02:48 PM (SOgjZ)
Just hand me a sharp spoon and tell me to go nuts.
Seriously, not everyone is equally suited to the same choices in a fight. A legionary will like a calm, disciplined march, but a berserker's going to be chewing his own shield and punching your own guys until they get attack orders.
Posted by: trev006 at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (81uw/)
Para Bellum indeed.
Or Tokarev.
Or ACP.
Or....
Posted by: waraiotoko at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (AURKQ)
Magnum.
JHP.
Die-Cut?
And yes, love that nic too
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (bcbK8)
Is it time for me to lock myself in the refrigerator and eat my own foot?
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at January 25, 2019 02:11 PM (n2qRY)
I can fix that for you.
Posted by: Injun Broken Fridge Light at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (RpM6k)
Unless the Senate is going to pass a House bill that is already approved... ie a Nancy Bill.
The house needs to be in session... and they took the weekend off, many are out of town.
So, unless they come back, Monday is the earliest they could vote on a bill, and unless they pass a bill directly from the Senate, it will then have to go to a conference committee....
Don't see that happening by Tuesday.
Posted by: Obi Don Quixote at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Axeman at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (ycluG)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: Patty Murray at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (786Ro)
There never were any great options, he has to try shape the battle space in his favor to the extent he can. He just did that by giving them one more shot and told them they either negotiate a deal he can sign or they will force him to do it on his own.
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Really? Because saying "you got three weeks or else" sounds pretty damn petty.
Posted by: MAGA at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (KLw72)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2019 02:42 PM (8iiMU)
This is why we're fucked in the long run.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (W1Xiw)
You didn't lose anything.
Your feelings are hurt. Not the same thing.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (a2xio)
Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (DfGpI)
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Kurt at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM
Shouldn't you be down at the library checking out 'How To Code' books?
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 02:51 PM (ffYR/)
I'm watching it now.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:53 PM (GBteo)
----------------------------
Listen to the very end. The last two sentences are everything.
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (ffYR/)
The media isn't going to say, "oooh, shit! You know what? We should be more fair on our reporting here. After all, Trump did do [x]." Neither is the left. The LIV's are just going to go by what the media says.
--
This is where I'm at, too. What good will it be for him to, without a shadow of a doubt, show he's done his part in willingness to work with these rats and given them every opportunity to fix this problem? The media won't give a flying flip, and will actually state just the opposite. There are enough dummies out there that will believe whatever they're told by the lying MFM. So, we'll be back to square one, and Pelousy will not budge one Botox'd inch in 3 weeks' time any more than she has up to this point. They have the automatic upper hand because of the media. Wish I were wrong.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (JoUsr)
Posted by: spike at January 25, 2019 02:57 PM (Azcpm)
Pelosi has him on her leash and is walking him like a dog
Posted by: Kurt at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM (jQNiN)
I have heard this before. Is that the old lady who had her trip cancelled in a spectacularly embarrassing way?
Posted by: President Richard Punch at January 25, 2019 02:57 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: irongrampa
Bravo!
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (d7Ww2)
Never give up! Never surrender!
Posted by: Capt. Taggert at January 25, 2019 02:57 PM (NgKpN)
I cannot and WILL NOT fail my oath and quit either.
There is nothing this person has done to date that indicates anything but resolve to win and make this country great again.
Nothing is going to shake my faith that we, the Americans will prevail in time over the social progressives that infest us, no matter the cost.
Never doubt, never quit.
Posted by: irongrampa
Amen.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2019 02:57 PM (QFqpA)
Tomorrow I'm going to the range to make holes in paper and my dog is healing. Hack fraud journalists are out of work. Hillary is not President.
Still a good day.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 02:57 PM (bcbK8)
Hair-on-fire status = Not
Posted by: DocJ at January 25, 2019 02:57 PM (NYS7S)
*******
NOPE!!! they just had their underoos washed so they have a look of underoos to soil
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:57 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 02:57 PM (VeUrT)
Posted by: Someguy at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (WYC5Y)
Posted by: Bon Jovi at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (gnkR8)
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (ffYR/)
Even listening at 1.5x speed, this is a slow and long speech. But I'll get there eventually.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: jsg at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (a4rTJ)
Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (mnAmV)
So, unless they come back, Monday is the earliest they could vote on a bill, and unless they pass a bill directly from the Senate, it will then have to go to a conference committee....
Don't see that happening by Tuesday.
Posted by: Obi Don Quixote at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM
They have some sort of work-around option. End of today I'm hearing.
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (39g3+)
Yet they do it every day.
They will *absolutely* review any national emergency proclamation, and I have *zero* doubt that the courts can and most likely will issue a TRO.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (GBteo)
Actually Article III specifically provides for such things arising under the laws of the Constitution (all Cases in Law and Equity, if memory serves). National emergency declarations are actually outsdide that for good reason. The law put it under Congree to review the validty of such a declaration. Judiciary would be breaking the law if they review before Congress.
Will it stop Random Obama Appointed Judge 7? No. But he can be ignored safely under the law.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (XJktg)
Posted by: concrete girl at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (3O41F)
Posted by: csmats at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (X5VFN)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (jsWA8)
Trump should have had this showdown 2 years ago with a Republican Congress.
Oh well.
Posted by: Blago at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (g0yk9)
******
Then I guess the only you are left with is Suicide
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (BqBId)
Didn't quite work out.
Deep State.
Posted by: nip at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (DfGpI)
I've yet to see any evidence that Kennedy wanted to get out of Vietnam
Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (zmIJL)
It's not "Trump's wall," it's Our Wall, or America's Wall. We should have fought against that media spin years ago.
Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (mk9aG)
Really? Because saying "you got three weeks or else" sounds pretty damn petty.
Posted by: MAGA at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (KLw72)
Judges say it everday.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (TAmPV)
The trolls get more and more unoriginal every day. Fat, unemployed, and trying to channel Cardi B attempting to smartmouth Tomi Lahren is no way to go through life...
Posted by: Bert G at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (tOP4K)
Posted by: Nickname at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (n8q5o)
One thing for sure, people were not effected by the longest "gummit" closure in history and are starting to realize most of the swamp is not needed.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (cCxiu)
Oh well.
Posted by: Blago at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (UfkIY)
Still, it looks better to go Full Epaulette when your entire opposition is of the other party (nominally, at any rate).
Posted by: waraiotoko at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: Kurt at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM
Shouldn't you be down at the library checking out 'How To Code' books?
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 02:56 PM (jYje5)
Too busy masturbating to the "Care and Feeding of Your New Puppy" books.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (RD7QR)
*****
You already have, in your Underoos unfortunately
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (n2qRY)
He could have done this 2 years ago.
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 02:41 PM (g0yk9)
Two years ago he was surrounded by a bunch of backstabbing thieves and didn't know who he could trust.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 02:46 PM (TAmPV)
What has changed?
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: Patty Murray
*snort
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (QFqpA)
Posted by: Stormy at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (L/iaS)
Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (mk9aG)
Posted by: Someguy at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (WYC5Y)
Posted by: Kurt at January 25, 2019 02:54 PM
Shouldn't you be down at the library checking out 'How To Code' books?
Posted by: Newest Nic
.............
the trolls have come out of the woodwork on this one.. like cockroaches!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (so+oy)
message often enough with the public. Trump is showing himself as the
reasonable one so when he has to go nuclear, it will be more justified
in their mind.
Posted by: spike at January 25, 2019 02:57 PM (Azcpm)
Yep.
And apparently some people need to be reminded: Trump must try to talk beyond the media. You know, those lying sacks of excrement whose reputations right now are about as low as they've ever been.
When Trump behaves like an adult, and the media sits in their collective soiled diapers and cries, the message gets through.
It takes time. He's moving in the right direction. Not fast enough for some, but those of you who can't see the progress aren't looking at it the right way.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (a2xio)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (g0yk9)
Will it stop Random Obama Appointed Judge 7? No. But he can be ignored safely under the law.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (XJktg)
Article 3, section 2:
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States;-between a State and Citizens of another State;-between Citizens of different States;-between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."
Nothing about judicial review.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: assault smirk at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (jhTf/)
If it's the end of the world, I volunteer to be of 'service' to the 'ettes for their apocalyptic orgasm needs...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at January 25, 2019 03:02 PM (n2qRY)
As Jackstraw said, Trump is exhausting every option before using an EO. I say if another deal is not reached before the new deadline, the Democrats are gonna look like jerks for being uncompromising.
Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at January 25, 2019 03:02 PM (INCeP)
irony is dead; parody is dead-by-bunga-bunga
Posted by: the Man who Burps in French and works for the USG at January 25, 2019 03:02 PM (9HuGt)
Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (mk9aG)
Doesn't mean anything.
Pop music is dying.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 25, 2019 03:02 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (LXTiX)
Before, he didn't know who he could trust.
Now, he knows he can't trust anybody.
Posted by: waraiotoko at January 25, 2019 03:02 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 02:55 PM (RpM6k)
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Still on. Weasel and I were already working without pay.
Actually, this means the out-of-towners can go to the museums now.
Posted by: bluebell at January 25, 2019 03:02 PM (U5tDi)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at January 25, 2019 03:02 PM (VeUrT)
Posted by: JoeF. at January 25, 2019 02:59 PM (NFEMn)
C'mon man, don't you watch Oliver Stone movies?
Posted by: BignJames at January 25, 2019 03:02 PM (cxHbL)
A guy can dream, right?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Capt. Taggert
I see you managed to get your shirt off again
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (39g3+)
That's how I'm reading it. Sure hope we're not being held hostage by some non-essential employees- which is where we would have been under the GOPe
Posted by: t-bird at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (Fjr+q)
You could scatter a lot of those in 3 weeks.
Posted by: Emilio Lizardo, Ph.D. at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (SOgjZ)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (xqfqx)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (LXTiX)
McCain is dead, and Ryan is spending more time in truck stop rest rooms.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (a2xio)
Posted by: JoeF.
____________
The history books would have you believe Nixon was solely to blame for Vietnam.
Eisenhower/Nixon did everything in their power to never put actual troops in Vietnam. It was JFK that got is in there to show he was a tough guy and LBJ badly mismanaged it and got us deeper.
Nixon had Vietnam won, but the Democrat Congress abandoned the South Vietnamese all to get at Nixon.
Posted by: Blago at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (4ErVI)
If anything, it calls her bluff. Even a temporary re-opening will mean nothing. I have my doubts as to whether Nancy will OK the SOTU, since it isn't a permanent re-opening - good ol' fashioned moving of the goal posts.
Of course, Nancy LIED about it being about security, and it ought to be blindingly obvious to anybody that she LIED when she claimed that her problem with The Wall was that it was a waste of money. Nobody should believe that this disruption in government function was to save a few billion dollars - especially from a Dem, for cryin' out loud.
Posted by: Optimizer at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (hOOi9)
I like russian dressing. Investigate that!
Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: assault smirk at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (jhTf/)
Unlike today, when he's surrounded by a host of backstabbing burglars and doesn't know who he can trust.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (39g3+)
This was not a cave. It was PDT calling their bluff and looking like he cares (sincerely or not) about the Fed workers.
Now that they said no bargaining until the government reopens, he said "okay, assholes, here you go. And if you try and fuck with me I will drop you faster than third period French."
No way he caves. The one caveat: the Son-In-Law.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (/9p9e)
What I heard is Trump backing away from fencing, slatting, or walling the entire border. Just the most problematic areas, as pointed out to him by the Border Patrol. So he budged a bit. Perhaps necessary to get the (D)'s to budge a bit.
Hair status:
☑ Not on fire
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (g0yk9)
Just so I know, how long will you repetitive whining continue?
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (g0yk9)
All he's doing is making sure he's given them every piece of rope to hang themselves with because we all know this... that the wall being built is his re-election... and he will do it.
Obviously if it's done via emergency powers - it's not quite as desirable... but to do that he has to give them every chance... in 3 weeks he will have done more than that.
Posted by: Reality Man at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (xOBRH)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at January 25, 2019 03:00 PM (cCxiu)
I'm wondering if that might get mentioned in the State of the Union.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (kUmUV)
I like russian dressing. Investigate that!
Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (gmo/4)
I like Russian undressing. Specifically golden age Helen Mirren.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (/9p9e)
Nixon had Vietnam won, but the Democrat Congress abandoned the South Vietnamese all to get at Nixon.
Posted by: Blago at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (UfkIY)
Kennedy almost got us into a nuclear war over Cuba because he cucked out on the Bay of Pigs and also got rolled by Khrushchev when they first met. The shoe banger thought he could do whatever he wanted down there because of Kennedy's weakness.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2019 02:50 PM (/tuJf)
Then it's not much of national emergency then is it?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: Chuck U Farley
Trump should declare the emergency now and be ready to allocate the emergency wall money on the third week so there's no need to shut it down again. He should have declared the emergency a month ago.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (KUaJL)
Shit, I've got that in the cushions of my comfy chair. Maybe we can get Nan to dig it herself.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: BurtTC
Exactly.
The left had better pray to what ever deity they believe in that there isn't another Kate Steinle/Officer Ronil Singh killing by an illegal between now and then.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (QFqpA)
I always knew hoping for a goverment-free 2019 was going to be a real stretch.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:03 PM (g0yk9)
You are no longer just disagreeing, you are now being disagreeable to provoke a fight.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pre-Fab Tru-Con Brand Cuck-Sheds Now At the Outrage Outlet! at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (mk9aG)
Pop "music" thot whose only actual talent is jiggling her fat ass.
Posted by: Bert G at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (tOP4K)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (JSQcM)
Woke up one day, feelin' fine, decided to give It a go. The Constitution is a game plan, man
that Marbury guy was a twerp, but needed the job. Jemmy Madison is only four feet tall.
Posted by: John F*ckin Marshall at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (9HuGt)
Kennedy felt like he had to do it to "prove" himself after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. LBJ believed Robert McNamara's bullshit and micro-managed that war straight to hell.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (r+sAi)
At this point, who cares what they Media think? Polling shows their approval slightly beneath Congress and rotting ambergris in the Marianas Trench.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (xqfqx)
Whew, just got B'Gal back home from the hospital and boy are my arms tired.
Also wanted to give Ace kudos for using the term, "soy-sopped fail-biscuits."
*wipes tear away* That was beautiful, man.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at January 25, 2019 02:58 PM (XJktg)
Or arrested for sedition, convicted in a military tribunal, and machine-gunned on the wall of the Rose Garden.
Pour encourager les autres.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (nPGq2)
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (F/KeJ)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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If a million people a year invading our country is not an emergency, I don't know what is.
I really can't see a downside for him pursuing this strategy.
Posted by: Blago at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation
>From what I see, it was a program made by the United States INS at the request of Mexico.
Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (INCeP)
Nothing about judicial review.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (GBteo)
Interesting, reading that it sure sounds like Congress has the whip hand over what the Supremes have authority over...
If they would just use it.
Posted by: Don Q at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (NgKpN)
She didn't have to back down. She didn't have to give an inch. She didn't have to make the speech or explain anything.
Tell us more about how she didn't win anything here.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (QFqpA)
Who?
Posted by: The MSM at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (AURKQ)
Democrats previously stated that once government was open, they would address border funding and strong border security measures.
They've now been presented with that opportunity. We thought we had seen ugly, but we haven't seen anything yet. Pelosi will not cave.
******
A reporter from Breitbart knows this, BUT of course PDT doesn't have a clue, he really believes she will cave
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Deacon Bleau at January 25, 2019 03:08 PM (0x00j)
Posted by: CN at January 25, 2019 03:08 PM (g0yk9)
Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2019 03:08 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 03:05 PM (39g3+)
This is a Marbury v. Madison issue that goes back to 1803.
Jefferson said that SCOTUS couldn't issue him a writ of mandamus, they said "yes we can, but we happen to agree with you on the merits of the case." and thus began the concept in the US of judicial review (to be fair, it existed in England.)
There is no legal theory that I know of that says that certain laws are out of bounds to judicial review.
Congress could, theoretically, limit federal court's jurisdiction, as per article III, but they have not.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:08 PM (GBteo)
Hair status:
Not on fire
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (jYje5)
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What I heard was the acknowledgement that the entire border does not need a barrier, because is many places the terrain is a natural barrier.
Posted by: Calm Mentor's GoFundMe at January 25, 2019 03:08 PM (ffYR/)
If we apply that to this situation, what have supporters of DJT actually lost? What if any are the potential gains/losses of DJT's punt on this for three weeks? Not seeing much evaluation of this.
Jackstraw, among others, has laid out that this is a considered political strategy to show DJT's good faith that Congress will address the issue or he will fund it anyway through emergency funding. The key variable is whether the public cares enough about the situation to support his subsequent actions. For that reason, the SOTU address could be the best way to pursue support. That might or might not be true depending on the situation and events of the next three weeks. My crystal ball is cloudy on that one.
Naysayers like Chi-town Jerry argue the conventional case against DJT that he doesn't care one way or another about the wall and will cave. Again, three weeks will tell us one way or another.
The long and the short of it is that we will simply have to wait and wait, and wait--just like those poor bastards trapped in Casablanca trying to get exit visas. If I was the White House, truly build in their website something like a Doomsday crisis clock with a countdown of 3 weeks on it and provide a day to day summary of events proving the need for border security. One place shopping for wall supporters.
BTW, a uniparty booby trap in the 3 wk CR could be a ban on reprogramming funds to build a wall under an emergency declaration. DJT should be prepared to torpedo any such provision via a veto and name names on who did it.
Posted by: whig at January 25, 2019 03:08 PM (Kvi3C)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2019 03:08 PM (RpM6k)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Emilio Lizardo, Ph.D. at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (SOgjZ)
******
Nah he/she/it is really that far gone
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (BqBId)
Writ of mandamus < Writ of Macadamias.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (/9p9e)
And Hooray!!!. Now Julia can buy her tampons instead of using rolled up toilet paper-which, BTW, had to the lamest shutdown armageddon stories out there.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (AllCR)
Posted by: Revenant at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (NUNXH)
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Dems gave us the KKK. Abortions kill mostly black kids. Seems that the Dems don't like blacks.
Posted by: Jolo at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (WrMOC)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2019 03:06 PM (QFqpA)
Who?
Posted by: The MSM
How's those coding classes coming along?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (QFqpA)
All weekend Trump Caves
Smart move 2 scoops
I luv ya baby but uve been putzed
Posted by: Majolica at January 25, 2019 03:09 PM (L/iaS)
Posted by: Deacon Bleau at January 25, 2019 03:10 PM (0x00j)
Posted by: Martell at January 25, 2019 03:10 PM (9y49q)
Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2019 03:10 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:10 PM (LXTiX)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Lamest was electric being turned off after three weeks. In January.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (QFqpA)
She didn't have to back down. She didn't have to give an inch. She didn't have to make the speech or explain anything.
Tell us more about how she didn't win anything here.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (39g3+)
So she's won a Kewpie Doll,big deal.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (TAmPV)
Posted by: walknot at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (VB4UJ)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:10 PM (LXTiX)
Technically, this is tomorrow's drinking i'm doing...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2019 03:11 PM (cF8AT)
Trump is more. Conservative than at least half the Rs in congress, and he wasnt even a republican til a few years ago. There's very few people in washington who want what most americans want
Posted by: MST3K
Even if 100 Senators and all the House agree to a continuing resolution with no wall funding, Trump has the emergency card so he knows in the end he's going to get his wall--and no activist judge can stop him. I'd like him to have the emergency officially declared already to help give the Dems and GOPe the creeps.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at January 25, 2019 03:12 PM (kfcYC)
_______________________________________
MacAdam for the Macadamians!
Posted by: Highway Worker at January 25, 2019 03:12 PM (RpM6k)
Posted by: gp at January 25, 2019 03:01 PM (mk9aG)
Ghetto trash that hates Trump and white people.
Also water is wet.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at January 25, 2019 03:12 PM (LXTiX)
not me really, I was responding to a comment above.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2019 03:13 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Ever at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (1Zh0U)
The first government program to limit itself? That would be sort of funny.
Posted by: t-bird at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (Fjr+q)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Congress can't legislate away executive powers without a constitutional amendment.
Posted by: Emilio Lizardo, Ph.D. at January 25, 2019 03:14 PM (SOgjZ)
Sure there is, its called "the constitution is the law of the land, not judicial review"
Its not a POPULAR legal theory, nor is it one that judges tend to subscribe to, but it exists.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (39g3+)
If they would just use it.
Posted by: Don Q at January 25, 2019 03:07 PM (NgKpN)
The Congress kind of surrendered that whip hand after they let Marbury stand. Huge freaking mistake, that. It made the Judiciary the supreme branch, which is why we need a total rewrite of Article III. Or a war. Their choice.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (XJktg)
Posted by: Newest Nic at January 25, 2019 03:04 PM (jYje5)
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Which justifies what I said when I committed my vote for him. He gets us the closest we are going to get.
This wouldn't be an issue with Clinton or Sanders as president--assuming the Dems *didn't* screw over their own.
It probably wouldn't be an issue if Kasich was pres. And almost anybody but Cruz would have crumpled a lot earlier, or never have made a stand at all--and I'm not even that sure about Cruz.
Posted by: Axeman at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (ycluG)
If someone wanted to do a complete cave a three week truce just prolongs the agony. Nothing is Trump's past proves he is that kind of personality. So why the truce?
Here are some possible reasons:
1. They are actually negotiating something and need space to make it happen. That could be either bad or good depending on what gets done.
2. This is a tactic to make a national emergency more reasonable to the public or certain senators in his own party.
3. Trump needs time to actually prepare what a national emergency would look like and organize the resources to do it. Just signing some paper without the prep work would be silly.
4. Considering where many government employees politics are, don't be surprised if some them attempt to half ass their jobs into a place crash, let us say. Paying them during this truce, would end that b.s. propaganda story when government re-closes and/or a national emergency is declared.
4. Never take our eye off Venezuela. I know I keep beating this. There is some reports of Russian mercenaries in Venezuela now. God knows who else. I don't care about Russians in Syria, or Central Asia, but in Latin America my cold war flame relights. Any national emergency Trump declares, I think, must use this at least as a useful pretext for wall construction considering any conflict there will create at the minimum a refugee flood, and more important - The migrant caravans are funded by someone, if a foreign actor really did want to screw America that would be the best way to do it. Not some idiotic election meddling the Democrats and Rinos are dreaming of. In other words of scream of "Russia" is a double edged sword that can be turned against the Democrats and Rinos.
Note: The reason why I keep harping on Venezuela is it seems odd this crisis would break out right at the same time we have this shutdown and border wall fight happening. I am not sure what it means yet, I just don't think it is a fluke either.
Posted by: William Eaton at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (MuTTO)
Start making these people feel the consequences of their actions, make illegals not worth the risk of employment, strip away all incentives to jump the border, you'll see illegal immigration come to a screeching halt and the ones who are already here will start self deporting.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (JSQcM)
Its not a POPULAR legal theory, nor is it one that judges tend to subscribe to, but it exists.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2019 03:15 PM (39g3+)
...Then nothing is open to judicial review, but that ship sailed 200+ years ago, and absent a constitutional amendment, isn't going to unsail itself.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 25, 2019 03:17 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: StellasTwoCents at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (Z0huu)
Posted by: corn and beans at January 25, 2019 03:19 PM (tkNkP)
Posted by: Mittens Romney AKA John McCain at January 25, 2019 02:43 PM (BqBId)
AYFKM? I want to believe that this was a power move by Trump.
Does this feel like the day Trump cancelled Nancy's plane ride?
No.
This was a concession from Tump, because he said he wasn't going to do it until there was funding for the wall. He did it. He did not announce that there had been any concession on the other side. Maybe he got something, maybe not.
Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2019 03:20 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: Martell at January 25, 2019 03:23 PM (9y49q)
You might want to research political question doctrine. There are frequent Supreme Court decisions that duck judicial review and state the question in non-justiciable because it is a political question best resolved by the other two branches.
The key here is the Justice Jackson concurrence in Youngstown Sheet and Tube which lays out the three different conditions to resolve emergency issues such as seizing steel mills. The first is when both the President and Congress agree on the issue and it does not go beyond their combined enumerated powers--e.g. the Military Commissions Act. The second, is when Congress fails to act but is not hostile and the president has existing constitutional or statutory authority from Congress to act. The last is when the President acts and Congress is actively hostile by barring via statute presidential actions. The Foreign Powers Act is one such law passed over presidential veto and denounced as unconstitutional encroachment on the commander in chief power by every president up to Obama (guessing even here too). Neither Congress nor the President have ever pursued litigation of this because both are probably afraid of how the court would rule.
If the Court treats the Southern border as an actual incursion, then even hostile action by Congress may not overcome the president's constitutional powers as commander in chief. There is also a lot of laws that grant authority under different statutes to often do quite a bit of action if triggered by a presidential declaration. Congress could only act via cutting off funds which Trump could veto.
My personal guess is that the Scotus would duck directly addressing such an issue by overruling any lower court injunction on standing and ripeness issues. Ripeness dealing with potential eminent domain issues which have not been adjudicated and standing--e.g. California nor potential illegal immigrants nor organization supporting such do not have standing for a TRO which argues irreparable harm will occur if the action occurs. A wall is not irreparable harm as it can also be taken down if the action itself was illegal.
The whole travel ban cases dealt with immigrants coming here with an argued vested right to come here via a visa etc. States such as Hawaii argued that both the families expecting the arrival of visits, the refugee orgs, etc. would suffer funding losses and irreparable damages by not allowing the "legal" entry into the U.S. Not really present in this case with a right for illegal immigration--higher courts would probably slap that one down pretty quick.
Posted by: whig at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (Kvi3C)
Posted by: corn and beans at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (tkNkP)
My thoughts exactly.
Posted by: Martell at January 25, 2019 03:24 PM (9y49q)
Oh, and there is no provision in the national emergency law for judicial review. ... No judge can issue a TRO on a national emergency.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at January 25, 2019 02:47 PM (XJktg)
*****
Of course they can. It would be a bullshit TRO, and the greater shame would be on Congress and the Executive branch for submitting to it...
But they would. I don't know why, but our country has taken the position that any decision by the judicial branch has to be obeyed / submitted to.
Telling the judiciary to piss up a rope? Heavens to Betsy! We couldn't do that.
Better to allow some rogue judge to issue an illegitimate world wide injunction, rather than just say, "no."
It's what makes us a nation of "laws", not men.
Yeah, right. "Law."
Don't make me laugh.
Rule by judicial whim is what it is.
Posted by: Taco Shack at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (C+qQ0)
Posted by: Delayna's deplorable tar and feather warehouse at January 25, 2019 03:28 PM (QBqqe)
Posted by: Air Crew at January 25, 2019 03:30 PM (XZG+m)
Posted by: Taco Shack at January 25, 2019 03:26 PM (C+qQ0)
Judicial Politics.
Posted by: tux at January 25, 2019 03:35 PM (wNN8A)
These things have been done in the past, my wild guess is that the Dems want to do him to do this for impeachment purposes to argue he is acting unlawfully.
Posted by: whig at January 25, 2019 03:36 PM (Kvi3C)
I agree there won't be another shut down - in three weeks, if congress doesn't figure it out, he'll just declare emergency and go forward with construction.
Posted by: milquetoast bourgeoisie mortgage-paying neighbor in flyover country at January 25, 2019 03:55 PM (TPgeI)
We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.
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Real Clear Politics
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Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)