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Clinton-Appointed Judge in Flynn Sentencing Hearing Accuses Him of Treason, Suggests He'll Sentence Him Beyond What the Plea Deal Calls for
#TheResistance has a new hero.
The Clinton-appointed judge, Emmett Sullivan, claimed that Flynn's suggestion that the FBI misled him (which it, you know, did) cast doubt on Flynn's acceptance of culpability. The not-so-veiled threat from the judge is that if Flynn wouldn't repudiate his previous complaints about the FBI, he'd toss out the plea deal and sentence Flynn more harshly than the plea called for. He also badgered both Flynn and the prosecutor about whether Flynn had committed "treason." Though then, after he returned from a break, this Clinton appointee said he wanted to "clarify" that his own previous claim that Flynn was working in the White House when his contacts with foreigners occurred. I guess he bothered to read the actual facts and corrected himself -- well, "clarified" -- that Flynn wasn't in the White House and that he was now not "suggesting" treason. Which is actually exactly what he did before. Basically the judge seems to be threatening Flynn with jail time unless he offers more to the Mueller investigation. Flynn has gotten that message, and now says he wants to delay sentencing because he might cooperate more with Mueller. The court has delayed sentencing to permit this. So, no sentencing today. After threatening Flynn for an hour, Flynn got the message and said he would cooperate more."to the President of the United States ...That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably you sold your country out. " 2/2
— Katelyn Polantz (@kpolantz) December 18, 2018
Judge Sullivan, having left the bench for a break, is now giving Flynn an opportunity to speak with his lawyers privately.
— Katelyn Polantz (@kpolantz) December 18, 2018
Will Flynn continue with sentencing today? Will he change his mind+cooperate more? Will Sullivan give him a harsher sentence than what Mueller suggested?
Sullivan says those claims could "affect or call into question" Flynn's plea or at the least his acceptance of responsibility
— Tim Ryan (@tjryan93) December 18, 2018
Flynn is at the podium now, answering questions about the claims.
Flynn says he does not wish to challenge the circumstances of his FBI interview
Sullivan going into his sentencing considerations now.
— Tim Ryan (@tjryan93) December 18, 2018
"This is a very serious offense," Sullivan said. "A high ranking senior official of the government making false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation while on the physical premises of the White House."
"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."
— Tim Ryan (@tjryan93) December 18, 2018
He went on:
"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."
Sullivan is back. He wants to correct his previous statement on Flynn, noting Flynn's conduct occurred before he was in the White House.
— Tim Ryan (@tjryan93) December 18, 2018
Sullivan also clarifying his hypothetical on treason earlier:
"I'm not suggesting he committed treason."
Kelner says Flynn wants to delay his sentencing, saying he might provide more cooperation.
— Tim Ryan (@tjryan93) December 18, 2018
The parties will file a status report on March 13
— Tim Ryan (@tjryan93) December 18, 2018
And that's it everybody.
— Tim Ryan (@tjryan93) December 18, 2018
TLDR: Flynn decided to delay sentencing so Sullivan can consider his continued cooperation with the government.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: bored383 at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (zJ4nO)
Posted by: MW at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (hNTtn)
Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (lGLBx)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (cCsPW)
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (8D42x)
Posted by: Ann at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (NDO5Q)
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (BXMxN)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (d6PIl)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (trpsZ)
It's an odd trial, but when half the evidence is under seal, it's really impossible to know what the deal is.
Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (yBq7A)
May they rot in hell for an eternity.
They are scum to the max and the willing media is so stupid they don't realize that when the government these people want is implemented, the media will be the first to be dragged to the slaughter.
Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 01:00 PM (lGLBx)
Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:00 PM (fE+0o)
Posted by: John C Calhoun at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (1skAe)
Posted by: Big Al fredo at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (iWo0u)
What I don't understand, and would fault the judge on (unless his hands are tied) is ... why does he have to play along with this fucking charade? Why not vacate the plea irrespective of whether Flynn agrees to or not given that he all but stated he knew there was serious proprietorial misconduct? Throw the damn plea and indictment out, with prejudice, hold the prosecution in contempt, and let them know that if they go after Flynn again further contempt charges will follow.
Our "justice" system is a fucking disgrace.
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (GdJ+p)
Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (fE+0o)
Because he was looking for MOAR EVIDENCE against Flynn.
And because he wanted to bring up this idea that if Flynn complains about FBI tactics, then he's not really accepting responsibility, and can be thrown in jail.
he wants to throw him in jail and is looking for any reason to do so.
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: IC at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (cCsPW)
It's like trying to makes sense of the Guelphs and Ghibellines battling it out in 12-century Italy. By the second paragraph, your head is spinning.
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (c+2jX)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (hLRSq)
Sara A. Carter @SaraCarterDC
#MikeFlynn sentencing postponed indefinitely with an update on March 13, 2019. Judge Sullivan has more questions about Special Counsel's and FBI conduct
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (XGA3u)
Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (tp5vm)
Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (fE+0o)
This is now... what... FOUR cases where this has been the major determiner of sentence, not that actual 'crime' committed?
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Abiss at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (Y8DtA)
Posted by: DocJ at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Boswell at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (OjnQU)
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (BXMxN)
Grade A shitshow.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)
I think the treason comment was aimed squarely at the prosecution. And by retracting it, as Jackal claimed, he got the prosecution to back off too. So if it wasn't treason, was it really that bad.
Sullivan gave Flynn every opportunity to retract his plea. And he still has time. Flynn has agency.
But if Flynn stays the course, Sullivan will throw the book at him. How cooperative he will be following that will remain to be seen. That could be a wild card Mueuller wants to avoid.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)
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Some of us are ashamed that we did.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (fE+0o)
I thought I just heard that the Judge clarified his statement and that he didn't mean to make Flynn sound as bad as he did.
What the fuck is this? And he delayed the sentencing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (/9p9e)
"TLDR: Flynn decided to delay sentencing so Sullivan can consider his continued cooperation with the government."
Does he mean Mueller's Shadow Government??
Posted by: Walt Disney and Walt Whitman at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (kyzbF)
Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Deep State controller at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (BXMxN)
you're new here aren't you?...
/s
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (8D42x)
>>Sullivan gave Flynn every opportunity to retract his plea. And he still has time. Flynn has agency.
>>But if Flynn stays the course, Sullivan will throw the book at him. How cooperative he will be following that will remain to be seen. That could be a wild card Mueuller wants to avoid.
I agree with you.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: G. Gnome, GNOMCO Home Defense System and Turkey Fryer Salesman at December 18, 2018 01:07 PM (al6UK)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)
Correct. I really think waiting a bit will be best. The listed tweets aren't exactly full of information.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:07 PM (hLRSq)
He met with the Special Prosecutors team during the break, not Flynn's team.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (/tuJf)
TLDR: Flynn decided to delay sentencing so Sullivan can consider his continued cooperation with the government.
Is this bullshit or is this the fake news spin??
Flynn is supposedly cooperating with Mueller, not the Government. Mueller is the Shadow Government.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (kyzbF)
"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."
He went on:
"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (PbpT7)
Trump has been saying for the last couple days he is going to court to get an opinion he can if it is a national security issue.
Caravan was pretty helpful in showing that.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (/tuJf)
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I don't believe that would work - it would require a judge to side with Trump on a major issue where the government has a very interested iron in the fire, and that's an extremely, extremely unlikely outcome.
Can it be done by EO when the CR expires?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (AzW6q)
And because he wanted to bring up this idea that if Flynn complains about FBI tactics, then he's not really accepting responsibility, and can be thrown in jail.
he wants to throw him in jail and is looking for any reason to do so.
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (PbpT7)
But that's the thing. Why does a judge need to get -more- evidence than the prosecution freely offers? Particularly if the prosecution has a plea deal and is recommending a light sentence?
You can call it a good cop/ bad judge, but if that was true Sullivan wouldn't be bringing up things that tend to damage the prosecution. It's at least as likely that Sullivan is fed up to the gills, and will punish Flynn for his role in this kabuki.
Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (yBq7A)
Posted by: West at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (7Fa8Y)
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (cCsPW)
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)
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Some of us are ashamed that we did.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)
We were just foot-soldiers. Hell, I never even rat-fucked the MREs.
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (YHze/)
Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (7HtZB)
He met with the Special Prosecutors team during the break, not Flynn's team.
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Judges told him there was not enough for treason. Sullivan will hold them to that now. So he backed off, because he didn't want that sting to linger.
Seems like the Judge is giving Flynn a chance to save himself here.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (BXMxN)
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)
I hold my civil service oath to be null and void. United States of America in name only. This is an collaborationist occupation government of the New World Order.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (J+mig)
Posted by: Adorably Categorically Deplorable at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (6FY0P)
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (F4u7C)
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (GdJ+p)
Please read what he said:
"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."
He went on:
"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (PbpT7)
>>He went on:
>>"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."
And he walked all of it back after the break.
He also asked Flynn over and over if he wanted to pull his guilty plea and if he wanted to delay sentencing. It sounded like he was trying to goad him into it.
It is a very strange outcome for a simple plea bargain.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (/tuJf)
I wonder if that same standard applies to high-ranking senior officials of the Department of Justice making false statements to the FISA Court?
Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (oNFAg)
Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (qC1Sy)
What's the Crime?
I thought Flynn was charged with a Process Crime?
Is this cocksucking judge "disgusted" by a bullshit contrived process crime??
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (kyzbF)
We think so.
Posted by: Deep State DataCenter at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (PbpT7)
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That was a shot at Meuller.
"I can make your shitty plea deals worthless and NOBODY will take your shitty plea deals any longer."
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (N5dam)
same idea with I will send No One to prison unless a definitive violent crime. Because why should the masses pay for crime that our betters do as a matter of recourse?
Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (fE+0o)
Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (oNFAg)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (YHze/)
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lol
Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.
My friends died for this?
Sure as hell wasn't freedom.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)
Can't have Flynn come testify from prison on a felony lying charge - I suppose the defense will use that gladly. So, best to wait until after Flynn gives testimony, then sentence him on the lying offense. Maybe the Judge is playing along with the SCO on that...
Posted by: Boswell at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (OjnQU)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (cCsPW)
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I think this is what Flynn is looking for. Either this, or a directed not guilty verdict from Judge Sullivan, which does not seem likely at this point.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: WE NEVER WIN, EVEN WHEN WE WIN at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (uloIh)
Posted by: deplorably bonnie blue at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (D5b2h)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (9HuGt)
he offers more to the Mueller investigation. Flynn has gotten that
message, and now says he wants to delay sentencing because he might
cooperate more with Mueller."
If there was anything else left for Flynn to give to Mueller then why would Mueller have asked for no jail sentence? It indicates that Mueller thought there was nothing left to apply pressure for.
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (cCsPW)
Sullivan then asked "Isn't that the law nobody has ever been charged with" as if he didn't know.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (/tuJf)
If the judge is not certain what crime the defendant is pleading to that is on the prosecution for not making that perfectly clear in the presentencing report. If the defendant is pleading yet proclaiming innocence regarding one of the elements, then again everything gets stopped to be sorted out. Ultimately, if it turned into a Charlie Foxtrot it was the fault of the prosecution for not getting everything lined up before hand.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (hLRSq)
Trust Sessions (uh, I mean Whitaker)
Trust the Process (Fultz will come!)
Trust leftover shrimp from that party three days ago
There are more things going on behind the scenes to bring the Deep State to heel than all your philosophy can dream of!
Posted by: Q Anon at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (DuAZ5)
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: REDACTED at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (L/iaS)
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (YHze/)
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lol
Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.
My friends died for this?
Sure as hell wasn't freedom.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)
Yes, but 11 year old drag queens can perform at gay bars. That's freedom.
/s
Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (PbpT7)
That's the thing. I don't think the judge is any more pleased with Flynn than with the prosecution. He sees a defense case that implies the government set Flynn up, but is pleading guilty in the face of exculpatory evidence. Then severely criticizes Flynn, only to walk it back after a meeting with the prosecutors.
Is it just opposite day around here? Forget Sullivan's political leanings, I'm wondering if he's as confused as I am.
Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (yBq7A)
Posted by: Phil x at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (PtVrf)
Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (XROPS)
Won't happen. Because conservatives won't shoot first.
Frog slowly boiling on the stove. That's our fate.
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (6S+Rb)
Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (qC1Sy)
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That happened a while ago. The law courts are set up to protect the State and its interests, and they do. Bigly. It's all pretty predictable at this point. It's their field, their ball, their scoreboard, their refs, and their announcers.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (AzW6q)
Meanwhile, Comey, Stroyk, Hillary, Page, and every criminal in the Obama administration are free as birds with not a worry.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)
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Some of us are ashamed that we did.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)
no, no NO
never be ashamed for your service. We didn't serve for the idiots in power at the current time, and we didn't serve for temporary glory.
We served the idea of America, to defend her basic freedoms and honest truths. Ours was to ensure this nation and the ideals that created her will endure. And she will live on in some form or another in perpetuity.
So never be ashamed of what we did or for our service.
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (8D42x)
Posted by: NCKate at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (dMTwl)
It is a very strange outcome for a simple plea bargain.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (/tuJf)
It's a very strange outcome for ANY trial. Kafka-esque, man. F*ckin Kafka-esque
Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (9HuGt)
That's one way to look at it:
Flynn was pleading guilty to all kinds of serious shit (to make Trump look bad ), but, in cooperation with the Mueller, the prosecution agreed to let him off easy.
In other words, just like Cohen, in which Cohen admitted guilt in all kinds of federal election violations (to make Trump look bad) but Mueller's prosecution team agreed to only go after Cohen on a few other things.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (kyzbF)
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: wth at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (HgMAr)
My friends died for this?
Sure as hell wasn't freedom.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)
Hear you...
I sometimes feel like I was let down by my fellow citizens.
While I was off protecting them against foreign enemies, they allowed Domestic ones to screw this country up.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (llxrS)
Posted by: dingbat at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (Flqhs)
So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.
Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be taken off the case.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 01:17 PM (trpsZ)
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Freedom? Honesty?
LOL
Right.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:17 PM (XGA3u)
for the idiots in power at the current time, and we didn't serve for
temporary glory.
We served the idea of America, to defend her basic freedoms and
honest truths. Ours was to ensure this nation and the ideals that
created her will endure. And she will live on in some form or another in
perpetuity.
So never be ashamed of what we did or for our service.
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (8D42x)
THIS. However, this country doesn't deserve the sacrifices of its sons and daughters.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 01:17 PM (ptqGC)
I do know this. Sullivan, Flynn, the FBI, Mueller, Lawyers ? I ain't seeing any obvious good-guys here.
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (axaxF)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (Evws/)
He was. There is a reason that the judge forced disclosure of the doctored 302's last night, he was telegraphing his intentions for today. Flynn and his attorneys fucked it up.
He could be free of this charge while his persecutors could be in deep shit. And he rolled over and showed his belly like a submissive dog until finally agreeing to delay sentencing.
I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge, who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to be rolled.
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (GdJ+p)
This stinks to high heaven.
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (F4u7C)
I agree. Either that, or somebody showed same special pics to the Judge that just might get on the Internet if he doesn't get on board.
Posted by: TXMarko at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (juL44)
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (so+oy)
Don't believe what the press states.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (DodRu)
Posted by: deplorably bonnie blue at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (D5b2h)
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Probably nothing.
Most judges - the vast majority at the federal level in particular - are the hardest line statists you'll find. They back the state in virtually all things. They may rule against the state in small matters to preserve the veneer of impartiality, but when the chips are down, the high priests of the state will do their duty for their god.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (AzW6q)
Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be taken off the case.
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So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a denial of due process?
Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)
Going to be a shame if the French, the freaking French, are willing to get pissed and do something while we sit back and passively acquiesce to our own destruction.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (BXMxN)
My friends died for this?
Sure as hell wasn't freedom.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)
They sacrificed themselves for the cause of freedom.
Hope is not yet lost, but this is our darkest hour.
If we are able to hold back the tide, and preserve liberty with so much arrayed against us, future generations will call it our finest.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (J+mig)
"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan
said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that
if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."
He went on:
"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (PbpT7
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This is what's killing me. wtaf?
What part of our country got "sold out," and what did Flynn supposedly get in exchange?
What "disgust" and "disdain" are warranted for Flynn's conversations with Kislyak?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (oGNNA)
What difference, at this point, does it make?!/1!??!1?!1!??
~CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE,,~COUGH,,COUGH-COUGH-COUGH-COUGH,, cough, cough-cough~
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (GEhPL)
Mueller has told Flynn plead guilty and your son walks.
got to be the reason
Posted by: REDACTED at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (L/iaS)
Posted by: dingbat at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (Flqhs)
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This is the one that sticks in my craw the most. Hillary committed crimes in the open, used our military to start a war in Lebanon and depose Khadafy because he wouldn't play ball and now we get Flynn being rectal probed by our government for 2 years for "lying" to the FBI.
/spit.
Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (qC1Sy)
Trust Sessions (uh, I mean Whitaker)
Trust the Process (Fultz will come!)
Trust leftover shrimp from that party three days ago
Posted by: Q Anon
I trust gas station sushi more.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (xzezz)
________________
That's different! We knew we were lying to the FISA court, and we knew it was a serious crime, but we didn't give a shit, because we knew there would never be any consequences for us!
Posted by: Deep State Conspirators at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (fqUgw)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Flynn filed a retroactive FARA declaration because he was doing work for Turkey. Ostensibly a NATO ally. For that, this judge is floating the accusation of treason.
And in declaring Flynn's guilt, Mueller's filing makes the pro-forma statement about how Flynn's statements impeded a federal investigation, which is a lie and everyone knows it's a lie. There was no substantive, underlying investigation. The feds had the recordings of Flynn's conversations before they asked the questions.
Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (oNFAg)
Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be taken off the case.
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So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a denial of due process?
Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)
== == == ==
Yep. He's also telling the SC that if they continue this charade he'll destroy any value it has to them.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (Mq6Af)
which of the players wakes up in the morning to find himself transformed into a giant cockroach?
Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (xGZ+b)
if Mueller is shut down by March, does Flynn go free from all the hidden charges Mueller has hanging over him?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (so+oy)
that and some Other Stuff. Treason, attempted coup.....Other Stuff
Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (9HuGt)
When it is over, then what? Drag it all on thru the next Prez election. That's the point.
Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: No at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (TXqUQ)
Not any more. He stays on Mueller's leash.
Posted by: tommylotto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (dYinJ)
But any one of theirs would put any one of us through a show tribunal for wrongthink that would end in death.
Book it
Posted by: ... at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (fJD5I)
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (kD8Fh)
May it fail.
I swear our nation is shot through with odious corruption. This is the "fundamental change" Obama boasted of.
Is this is what we truly are, may God have mercy on us.
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (w7KSn)
This is likely what happened.
Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (oNFAg)
By all measures, it obviously appears that the judge inserted himself into the role of Prosecutor.
And the judge CONTINUED the prosecutorial role against the defendant, even though this was the sentencing phase of the trial.
This judge is a Shit.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (kyzbF)
105 Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason
not sure whether typo or whether \nn/
Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (NmR1a)
Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)
== == == ==
Yep. He's also telling the SC that if they continue this charade he'll destroy any value it has to them.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (Mq6Af)
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Obviously, we could be wrong here, but it seems like Judge Sullivan is the only one trying to get at the truth here.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (sX1BW)
So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face
of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really
believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.
Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with
regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might
indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be
taken off the case.
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So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he
wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a
denial of due process?
Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)
Is that what happened? It seems to me that the judge accused him of being a traitor and threatened him with harsher treatment than the plea deal, and then Mueller said, hold on a second are you bug fuck nuts? After that they implied that maybe the sentencing would be different if he cooperated more?
Are we reading the same stuff. Cause I think your reading comprehension is up there with the judge that Mueller scolded.
But hey I'm not a lawyer.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (ymnmz)
May it fail.
I swear our nation is shot through with odious corruption. This is the "fundamental change" Obama boasted of.
Is this is what we truly are, may God have mercy on us.
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (w7KSn)
Sad, but true.
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (F4u7C)
Something got under this judge's bonnet.
And I'm wondering if it was Rush Limbaugh going on and on about this judge's unusually correct behavior in the Stevens case.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (kyzbF)
The government is lawless, judges are lawless and there ain't nothing we can do about any of this.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (qxq6t)
The thing is with making shit up, there can be contradictory evidence to your lies.
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (kD8Fh)
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (eAshZ)
A few months later, a very sharp young captain came to work for me. CPT Flynn.
I wonder how long before Meuller's goons come a knocking???
Kidding aside, as this isn't a laughing matter, I have said it before here, I know of no finer man, no better officer than Mike Flynn. I don't know what happened over the years as we haven't stayed in touch very much, but I will never believe he would put the interests of a foreign nation ahead of America. I just cannot believe that.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (0tfLf)
She conjured this all out of whole cloth and the entire US government sprang into action to do her bidding in a way it never would for the lawfully elected President Trump.
Posted by: Thatch at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (DmvGi)
After sentencing, Flynn would have been free to vent his spleen and tell
them all how he really feels. He could go on to expose the FBI
corruption that resulted in his conviction. He could write a book, etc.
Not any more. He stays on Mueller's leash.
Posted by: tommylotto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (dYinJ)
This is exactly what it looks like.
PURE AND SIMPLE.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (ymnmz)
And the judge CONTINUED the prosecutorial role against the defendant, even though this was the sentencing phase of the trial.
This judge is a Shit.
Posted by: Soothsayer
...............
I don't know.. Sullivan's animosity toward the prosecution in the past would make me think it is more likely he was throwing Flynn a bone here.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (so+oy)
Why would a federal judge who is supposedly well versed top to bottom in the facts and law of this case even let that word come flying out of his stupid mouth in the first place?
Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (oNFAg)
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (PbpT7)
****
So that is why he didn't sentence him & there is Not sentencing even set. The March 13th is a Status update
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (kD8Fh)
Yup, I contend that Flynn was a target in and of himself.
Him as National Sec Advisor was something the Deep State did not want.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (NgKpN)
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What is he pleading guilty too? What is the crime? Why does that crime deserve no punishment?
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (kD8Fh)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (trpsZ)
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (w7KSn)
Ours is a God of redemption. Nothing is beyond Him.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (J+mig)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (cCsPW)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (XGA3u)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (cCsPW)
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Good observation.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (sX1BW)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (BqBId)
I'm not. Flynn has been counseled by his lawyers for months to accept the deal the FBI offered that had zero prison time with it and potentially the opportunity of having the charges dismissed and he walked into the Twilight Zone today in front of a federal judge who is threatening jail and mentioning treason.
I think he did the right thing and ask for delay and regroup. The ground shifted under everyone right in the middle of the sentencing phase and I would want to take some time and think things over myself if I was him.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (/tuJf)
Is that what happened? It seems to me that the judge accused him of
being a traitor and threatened him with harsher treatment than the plea
deal, and then Mueller said, hold on a second are you bug fuck nuts?
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What is he pleading guilty too? What is the crime? Why does that crime deserve no punishment?
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (sX1BW)
You must be a troll. No one is arguing that crimes should go unpunished.Must be hard to live in your head.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (L/94n)
I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge,
who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to
be rolled.
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (GdJ+p
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This is starting to look right to me. Judge: "Well if you're going to plead guilty, here's what I've got to work with. You lied to the FBI about a matter of national security. You committed a crime that could send you to a federal prison. Why should anyone go easy on this shit?"
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (oGNNA)
Not any more. He stays on Mueller's leash
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Yep, exactly.
Good doggie. Roll over, Flynn.
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (GdJ+p)
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (XGA3u)
What the bleep is He waiting for??
I ask him this all the time lately.
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (kD8Fh)
My reading is different in what the judge is getting at, seeming to wonder why he is pleading guilty at all, although I don't have access to the secret docs he has.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (r+sAi)
Meanwhile Comey, Stroyk, Hillary, Page, and every criminal in the Obama administration are free as birds with not a worry.
Posted By: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (ptqGC)
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Disgusted yes. Confused no.
Posted by: ... at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (fJD5I)
Nope.
There was no reason for the judge to insert himself in this manner and as said above, Flynn is now still on Mueller's leash.
And you know what the person who controls the leash can do?
It can lead the person on the leash any where it wants to.
Trump needs to blow this whole fucking thing up.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (qxq6t)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (AzW6q)
Flynn is going to damage the office of the presidency for his son??
Flynn is a bigger piece of shit than Mueller says, then.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (kyzbF)
I have it on good authority that my opponent's wife is a thespian!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (0tfLf)
Strip everything else away...if a prosecutor walks into court with a
guilty plea in hand, and walks out with with another court date 3 months
hence, that prosecutor had a very, very bad day.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (BqBId)
Bullshit. He still has Flynn on a leash and continues to whip him. Mueller has a boner.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: American at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (sFNa8)
Posted by: gm at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (/LIOp)
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No one but you and Mueller.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (sX1BW)
I am only saying this because I don't want you to be set up by Mueller. Mis-spelling the name, isn't that a Mueller felony?
Mueller did allegedly once tell an FBI agent he fired, that the agent committed a felony by lying to him - the agent went to Harvard and claimed the school color was "red", not "crimson".
This is the level of Weaseltrash that Mueller is.
I used Weaseltrash so as not to confuse anyone with our own, ethical, Weasel.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (UsCnO)
Yeah. At least Corsi, a man much older than Flynn, and with equal to lose...has the stones to fight back.
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:30 PM (kD8Fh)
Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM
Prosecutors will just look into our eyes and see conservative conviction and toss us off the jury. Like we had the words 'Jury Nullification' tattooed across our knuckles.
Yeah, we'd likely run out of room for the second word. My case, anyway. Who am I to judge those with extra digits?
Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 01:30 PM (jYje5)
Posted by: JEM at December 18, 2018 01:30 PM (8erNz)
He gave him the opportunity to rethink his guilty plea, a plea Sullivan doesn't seem to think fits since there was no real crime.
You have to admit, the was one of the strangest plea hearings you've ever heard. Catherine Herridge says in her 20 years covering trials in DC she has never seen anything like that.
I admit it was strange but I think ultimately he gave Flynn a break today.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (bJCqW)
According to Corsi, the son chuckled at the g-men and said be careful, my dog smells FBI meat.
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (kD8Fh)
I think he did the right thing and ask for delay and regroup. The ground shifted under everyone right in the middle of the sentencing phase and I would want to take some time and think things over myself if I was him.
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I would agree if the judge hadn't been so adamant in his goading Flynn to drop the plea, particularly after the pre-sentencing memo that Flynn's team submitted. The underlying message of that was "I was set up and they committed serious misconduct in prosecuting me." Why submit that if you are just going to roll over.
Yes, the ground shifted, but it shifted because of Flynn. The judge was itching to throw this shit out and ream Mueller's thugs a new one.
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (GdJ+p)
This is very true. All pleas follow a form. If it does not go down according to the form then the prosecutor screwed something up somewhere.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (7HtZB)
If we are able to hold back the tide, and preserve liberty with so much arrayed against us, future generations will call it our finest.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (J+mig)
Don't mean to be a downer, but Britain went socialist less than a decade after Churchill said the same thing.
Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (xjiRE)
Posted by: Colin at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (e06xK)
Umm, a break?
To be at the mercy of Mueller and his bully boys for anther three months?
To have to retain incredibly expensive legal counsel for three more months?
Ridiculous.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (qxq6t)
I admit it was strange but I think ultimately he gave Flynn a break today.
A break?
Christ Almighty.
The judge could've blew up Mueller today. Instead, the bullshit continues.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (kyzbF)
Posted by: gm at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (/LIOp)
Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (7HtZB)
I would but I gots a blood sugar problem,
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (kD8Fh)
if you're going to plead guilty, here's what I've got to work with. You
lied to the FBI about a matter of national security. You committed a
crime that could send you to a federal prison. Why should anyone go easy
on this shit?"
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (oGNNA)
I wish it was this, but every time we convince ourselves someone is playing 4 dimensional Vulcan chess with Mueller we end up later with our hair on fire as it turns out to be tic-tac-toe with Mueller/Dems/Deep State going first.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (37IEG)
+++++
Wrong DOLT!! Flynn has a NDA on him as long as he is not sentenced & sent to jail. He can't talk about anything he has seen
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (BqBId)
You must be a troll. No one is arguing that crimes should go unpunished.Must be hard to live in your head.
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No one but you and Mueller.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (sX1BW)
Hillary's FOIA'd and wiped server begs to disagree.
You are still a troll and a plea deal is part of the legal process, whether you like it or not. Are you suggesting Mueller went soft on Flynn?
LOL
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Gonads and Strife at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (smXDp)
Failure is not an option.
It was not an option when King George attempted to reduce the colonies to de-facto slavery.
It was not an option through the hellish winter at Valley Forge.
It was not an option when the Democrats seceded
It was not an option when the Japanese torpedoed the Pacific Fleet.
It was not an option when the Soviets got the bomb.
Here, with our backs to the wall, I say the same.
Failure is not an option. The line must be drawn here.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (J+mig)
Shouldn't there have been at least some mention of the underhanded tactics of the persecution?
Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (3cq8T)
If this judge was stand-up, he would've dismissed the case.
He gave no break to Flynn today. This judge is a Shit.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (kyzbF)
https://tinyurl.com/y8js4an5
Posted by: Timon at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (dKm4U)
So impracticable to buy now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)
A lower grade shitshow would be akin to an Amy Schumer nude pole dance.
Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (9rXxD)
I'm not. Flynn has been counseled by his lawyers for months to accept the deal the FBI offered that had zero prison time with it and potentially the opportunity of having the charges dismissed and he walked into the Twilight Zone today in front of a federal judge who is threatening jail and mentioning treason.
I think he did the right thing and ask for delay and regroup. The ground shifted under everyone right in the middle of the sentencing phase and I would want to take some time and think things over myself if I was him.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (/tuJf)
== == == ==
I think (and hope!) this was the Judge's way of slapping Flynn in the face and saying "Snap outta it!".
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (Mq6Af)
I think the judge was pointing out the absurdity of the circumstances; that according to the special counsel he lied to FBI agents, lied about being misled, worked as a foreign agent, and may have committed treason and Logan Act violations...
...but because he plead guilty to lying and the Special Counsel recommended no time, he should serve no time while he testifies against others for crimes he's theoretically implicated in.
The judge is saying that he can't get off easy (specifically references Petraeus) by cooperating, either he's a criminal who deserves jail time or he's been railroaded.
Posted by: GrapeDrink at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (prRje)
@Mark923to25
It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks; @GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed, he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (U7k5w)
You are still a troll and a plea deal is part of the legal process, whether you like it or not. Are you suggesting Mueller went soft on Flynn?
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What does Hillary have to do with anything I have said?
And where did I say Mueller went soft on Flynn?
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (sX1BW)
If this judge is indeed on the deep state side of the house, this might be a factor. I see this (not a lawyer, not even a good amateur legal mind) as more ambiguous than "the judge is a bad guy" but the timing is potentially a cause for nervousness.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)
BS to that, we are still a Republic and you are one of the keepers of the flame, hold your head up high.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (otLn5)
From what I recall at the time Flynn was first fired, he was fired because he 'lied' to Pence. At the time I recall things were rather 'fluid' in the WH and other executive agencies: how far to push any narrative either for or against PDJT's election. Maybe the swampers decided to go with 'lying' to FBI rather than Pence.
Pence had one freebie as a power player and he wasted it on Flynn (according to the insider scoops) because Flynn wasn't a team player somehow. I have no brief for Flynn, a swampy creature at best, but the whole thing still reeks.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (MIKMs)
Unfortunately the MFM eats this up and will cherry
pick the best parts and make the headlines. Good for the Democrats, they
will never let this rest. All the "lawyers" on CNN etc, will hype this
to the hilt.
Posted by: Colin at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (e06x
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I have the feeling the worm will turn once more on this, and the MFM will hide this to the hilt.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (oGNNA)
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Really??? The matter before him today was a plea deal. How does a judge dismiss a plea deal.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (8XRCm)
I saw four years of plea hearings and never heard of anything like this.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Roland THTG Kinetic Activist North Central Division at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (88+cf)
Deny and you must be purified by pain.
Do you confess?
Then on the morrow you shall receive your purification.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (uGHnY)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (xJa6I)
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They don't need to be bought. They're honest-to-goodness statists, and can be relied upon without payment of any kind.
They're not Bill Kristol. They're George Soros.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (AzW6q)
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)
what does this mean? How does any NDA prevent exposing criminal activity? I thought it was about privacy issues, proprietary assets, etc.
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (kD8Fh)
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)
How can the Federal Government write an NDA that says you can't talk to the Federal Government?
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: reality man at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (xOBRH)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (bJCqW)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (xfb67)
Oh today was a sentence hearing?
Okay, then, where's the sentence??
This judge is a donkey. He's playing games.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (kyzbF)
1. POTUS Pardons
2. Judge Recalled by ballot, found in bed with dead sheep, converts to Islam and moves to Islamic madras in Turkey where he develops a Fatwah practice, issuing death sentences for gay commoners and bad authors.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (rr4fE)
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Nice sentiment, would almost agree except for one little thing...
We now have about half of the American population dumbed down and fat, with our millennial generation having to be schooled on how to be an adult.
Not exactly a recipe for success.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (XGA3u)
libertyandjusticeforall
@Mark923to25
It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks;
@GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or
other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed,
he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)
This is interesting. So the judge was doing Mueller a favor by trying to get Flynn to withdraw his guilty pleas and was threatening him with treason so that he could keep get Flynn to withdraw and ultimately keeping Flynns mouth shut........ oh shit I give up.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (kyzbF)
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When he knows something is amiss.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (sX1BW)
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No. Because if judges start altering plea deals, nobody will make plea deals.
He knew something was amiss. He was trying to get Flynn to not do the deal.
Flynn wlaked out with 90 days to "think it over".
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (8XRCm)
"um...I don't think that's a good deal for you General Flynn? Come back in 3 months."
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (kD8Fh)
"I can make your shitty plea deals worthless and NOBODY will take your shitty plea deals any longer."
Interesting take. I'm reminded of the Murry-Gellman Amnesia Effect. We know firsthand how media distorts, even inadvertently, events we have direct experience with. And yet we're taking Twitter as gospel.
The transcript could ring a different tone in person where things like context, tone, sarcasm etc are in full play.
Wait and see I guess. But it still reeks of the Judge motivating Flynn to make false statements to escape harsher sentencing. That's not how I was raised to administer "justice"
Surprised they dont have blank affadivits already prepared
I, ________, do solemnly swear to avoid prison by fingering Orange Man for acts of ____________ occurring on or about _________, to include any other crimes the Grand Global Marxist Commisar chooses to list in Appendix A.
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (6S+Rb)
every time we convince ourselves someone is playing 4
dimensional Vulcan chess with Mueller we end up later with our hair on
fire as it turns out to be tic-tac-toe with Mueller/Dems/Deep State
going first.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (37IE
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I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court. All of you make me sick."
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (oGNNA)
Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (bJCqW)
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I could see PDT doing this, after sentencing is completed. Not before.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (ffYR/)
Hillary's FOIA'd and wiped server begs to disagree.
You are still a troll and a plea deal is part of the legal process,
whether you like it or not. Are you suggesting Mueller went soft on
Flynn?
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What does Hillary have to do with anything I have said?
And where did I say Mueller went soft on Flynn?
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (sX1BW)
lol
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (ymnmz)
Because he was looking for MOAR EVIDENCE against Flynn.
And because he wanted to bring up this idea that if Flynn complains about FBI tactics, then he's not really accepting responsibility, and can be thrown in jail.
he wants to throw him in jail and is looking for any reason to do so."
I'm calling "racism" as well as "totalitarianism." The judge is black. Lt. Gen. Flynn offended black Jesus.
Reason 12,211,444 to nullify federal cases and do everything possible to prevent your children from serving in the military or any civilian branch of this corrupt occupation government that has started to put the USSR to shame.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: Jen the original at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (L/94n)
Jen- And then have him go to trial? Or could the judge do something else in the meantime?
And I don't understand why it was so egregious that Flynn's lawyers pointed out the malfeasance in the initial interviews. If the judge think thats irrelevant, he could ignore it. It almost sounds like he was trying to punish Flynn for his lawyers raising those facts.
Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (XROPS)
Posted by: Roland THTG Kinetic Activist North Central Division at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (88+cf)
Tuesday, 18 December 2018
POTUS has sent a letter to the Speaker of the House extending the National Emergency declared in Executive Order 13818 of December 20, 2017
*****
Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human
Rights Abuse or Corruption
++++
HMMMMMMMMMMM????
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (BqBId)
That and maybe "Trust me, I know what happened".
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (/tuJf)
So the the deal Flynn agreed to was NO jail time if he pled guilty to lying? And the judge was all:
"um...I don't think that's a good deal for you General Flynn? Come back in 3 months."
Posted by: kallisto
Yeah.
Makes perfect sense!
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (kyzbF)
Posted by: TonicDog at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (teKzb)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (oGNNA)
Maybe this. A pox on all your houses.
Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (XROPS)
Well attorney client privledge was blown up to get Trump, why stop there.
Let's blow up plea deals.
Hell Mueller and his bully boys should go bring Melania in for questioning.
If we are going to shred the constitution let's fucking shred the constitution bigly!!!
Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (qxq6t)
@GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or
other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed,
he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)
This is interesting. So the judge was doing Mueller a favor by trying to get Flynn to withdraw his guilty pleas and was threatening him with treason so that he could keep get Flynn to withdraw and ultimately keeping Flynns mouth shut........ oh shit I give up.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (ymnmz)
I don't buy it. Mueller still works for the DOJ, and thus the President.
How can he write an NDA that say Flynn can't talk to the DOJ? or the President? or the DOJ IG?
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: TonicDog at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (teKzb)
The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit
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That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the students.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)
Makes perfect sense!
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (kyzbF)
It does make sense when you read comment 246
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (kD8Fh)
Posted by: Braenyard at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (otLn5)"
...
The problem here is centered on the definition of "we". There is a "we" that includes you and I and most here, but I'm not even sure that constitutes a majority of those living within CONUS. And it certainly doesn't seem to encompass the actual government.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (eAshZ)
Exactly. Flynn had the grenade that would have blown the whole "muh Russia" investigation to kingdom come. The judge indicated he was quite willing to pull the pin. And Flynn refused to hand him the grenade.
I no longer feel any sympathy for him being on Mueller's leash. When you have the judge on your side and begging you to drop the plea because he knows you were set up, you take it. You don't fucking insult the judge by insisting on continuing the charade, especially after you submit a sentencing memo that laid out why it was a setup in the first place. I don't blame Sullivan for being pissed.
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (GdJ+p)
The judge: Flynn, either you request a delay in this farce or I will sentence you jail time, and it will be a long jail time.
Right? That's what the judge said and did.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (kyzbF)
Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (ZfRYq)
If he's not dirty, I'm the Pope.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Q Anon at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (J70i0)
Hold my beer.
You can crack open skulls with a bicycle lock and get 3 years probation.
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (6S+Rb)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (2LelM)
Since running a plea agreement sentencing is as simple as it comes, why did the prosecutor screw this one up?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (hLRSq)
I'll bite. To make Flynn think it was almost over then reel him back in and beat him with the rubber hose some more?That's the Occam's Razor of this.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (ymnmz)
Anyone who still thinks this has anything to do with Trump is even more deluded.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (BXMxN)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Sharkman at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (+BKF+)
This and I know it from personal experience. Our judge sided with DNR on every single thing they wanted, even when it made no sense.
Posted by: notsothoreau at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (JKNZq)
Posted by: concrete girl at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (LG/rj)
Is that an accurate quote?
Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (3cq8T)
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (BXMxN)
Years ago, while in the Army, I competed a tour in Turkey. I was reassigned back to the States.
A few months later, a very sharp young captain came to work for me. CPT Flynn.
I wonder how long before Meuller's goons come a knocking???
Kidding aside, as this isn't a laughing matter, I have said it
before here, I know of no finer man, no better officer than Mike Flynn. I
don't know what happened over the years as we haven't stayed in touch
very much, but I will never believe he would put the interests of a
foreign nation ahead of America. I just cannot believe that.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (0tfLf)
So this makes us all ONE degree of separation from General Flynn.
Hanging around ace's place is pretty cool!
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (ymnmz)
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Id buy that.
Except for the 302. Meullers teams was FORCED to provide the 302. Judge reads the 302 and goes "wait just a goddamned cotton pickin minute. NOBODY thought you were lying??? Then why you pleading to lying in my court??"
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (8XRCm)
Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (ZfRYq)
This was continued at Flynn's request.
So does he then get to set the schedule? Can he go to the court next week and say, we dropped the plea agreement, and would like a court date?
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (NgKpN)
Anyone who still thinks this has anything to do with Trump is even more deluded."
I must be quite delusional. This seems solely about Trump. And Flynn dissin' Chocolate Jesus (hope that last part is wrong but no longer have any faith in any of this BS).
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: nip at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (DfGpI)
He told Flynn he was disgusted by him. Flynn wanted the case over. The judge took it from him, gave him Mueller as overseer for indefinite period.
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (ZfRYq)
2 + 2 = Fish
Dont know how I missed that. Sorry. This is going to be like when the banks sold synthetic CDOs and we bailed them out for ripping us off.
Rope just shot up 150.
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (6S+Rb)
The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit
Have You Ever Seen A Better Argument For the Second Amendment?
Add that with what Mueller is doing...
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (kyzbF)
Is your misspelling of a WS writer meant to be clever according to some pretzel logic of your own, or are you merely an imbecile?
Go suck-start Winona, and by Winona I mean John Crichton's pulse pistol.
Posted by: Sporkatus at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (HtLSE)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (8XRCm)
Judge apparently got those THIS MORNING.
Question is, did the Defense have them? if so it seems they could have given them to the Judge.
ergo, I don't think the defense had this major piece of evidence... which is VERY troubling.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (NgKpN)
And speaking of judges . . .
The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit
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That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide
employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the
students.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)
This goes back to the earlier SCOTUS rulings on Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to protect us.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (jxbfJ)
******
You & Kreplach ought to start a law firm
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (BqBId)
Christians 'Standing in the Way' of Totalitarian Rule...
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Damn Christians! Always standing in the way of justice!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (iw59Q)
Flynn was known as a straight shooter.
NOT someone the deep state wanted as National Security Advisor.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (NgKpN)
Id buy that.
Except for the 302. Meullers teams was FORCED to provide the 302.
Judge reads the 302 and goes "wait just a goddamned cotton pickin
minute. NOBODY thought you were lying??? Then why you pleading to
lying in my court??"
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (8XRCm)
Forced or "forced". I get it, Mueller was probably actually forced to cough them up, but I don't see how having anther 3 months to boot on neck Flynn is not a victory for Mueller. He doesn't care about legit convictions, the process is the punishment.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:52 PM (U7k5w)
What does Trump have to do with any potential lies Flynn might have said to the FBI or a FARA case he wasn't involved with?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:52 PM (/tuJf)
Synchronicity: this morning Insty published a link to someone who disagrees with his 'Ham Sandwich Nation' essays. There is no such thing as prosecutorial abuse and those who think that are ignorant. Reynolds is very tolerant and really likes honest and educated debate, so the whole Mullerwaffen strafing of political disagreements is pretty ironic today.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 18, 2018 01:53 PM (MIKMs)
****
Maybe you are one & the same, Schizo Much ?
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:53 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM
Dude...some of us are eating lunch, here.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 01:53 PM (p+Wdc)
- Judge Emmet Sullivan, during today's Flynn sentencing.
Now that there is some real, HTG, tea leaves.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (UsCnO)
The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit
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That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the students.
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This isn't really new. The decision is recent, but the doctrine espoused isn't. It's based off of a US Supreme Court decision from several years back that ruled that the police are not required to keep innocent civilians alive and/or unharmed.
While I don't like the implications of this, I suspect that the reason for it is pretty straightforward. Otherwise the cops could be sued for all sorts of stuff that happened that was arguably not under their control, such as a hostage negotiation that went bad.
Posted by: junior at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (Fp6vo)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (U7k5w)
Can anyone tell the difference between the FBI and ISIS?
Posted by: Puddin Head
__________________
No,, not really. I love them both...
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (GEhPL)
The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit
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That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the students.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)
Wait.....Doesn't it say "to protect and serve" on the side of every police car everywhere?
PROTECT means, yes...putting yourself between a criminal and the people.
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (F4u7C)
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Shep Smith at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (xqfqx)
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (BqBId)
The admonition about further cooperation has nothing to do with whether Flynn can plea to those charges, does it?
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (Evws/)
Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (90T4r)
lower grade shitshow would be akin to an Amy Schumer nude pole dance.
Posted by: Roy
_________________
I'd hit it...
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (GEhPL)
Posted by: dananjcon at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (xqfqx)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (U7k5w)
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Nope ! sorry Kreplach, 1 Have one name
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (BqBId)
No, this is about anyone who was thinking of going against the Establishment Party the way Trump has.
You weren't thinking of getting out of line, were you?
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (6S+Rb)
Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle
Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to
protect us.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM
Hell, those rulings go back as far as the 1860s. Always screws with the lefty law students' heads when they have to read that one.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (p+Wdc)
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (U7k5w)
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& you were/are UnderFire too, That is why that one went apeshit & got Ban Hammered
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (BqBId)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Unless you are a prisoner and under their control.
And someone, (can't remember where I read it), made the argument that kids are akin to prisoners due to forced attendance, arrest if the cut, and not allowed weapons to defend themselves.
Made a compelling argument. I wish I could find it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (xzezz)
Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle
Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to
protect us.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (jxbfJ)"
...
The big problem with this isn't the LEOs, it's the school. Public education is largely mandatory, and the schools are serving in loco parentis. They very emphatically have a duty to protect their students; to argue otherwise is batshit crazy.
With this decision they're telling anyone that can't afford home or private schools that they're required to hand their kids over to the state during the school week, but that the state only has a watered down, half-assed obligation to keep them safe.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (eAshZ)
I'm not sure what that has to do with my question but I don't think so.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (iw59Q)
Could be. I suppose we are going to need a little more time than the 48 Hour Rule gives to sort out what the what just was going on.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (hLRSq)
I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm
getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and
saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these
stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to
get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court.
All of you make me sick."
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (oGNNA)
I just don't think Flynn is going to shatter his bonds and yell "I'm innocent! Free me!".
So we've watched Romeo drink the poison, now we're just waiting for Juliet to wake up and stab herself. Flynn isn't going to change his plea and the Judge isn't going to throw the case out, if he were, he'd have already done it.
Realistically if we assume Sullivan thinks this can be played against Mueller and in favor of Flynn, what does he think is going to happen now?
All I see is Mueller cackling and telling his men to press Flynn to make up some shit that implicates Trump and all of this goes away for him.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (37IEG)
Made a compelling argument. I wish I could find it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (xzezz)
I used to make that argument when I was in school. I'd cap it off by noting that prisoners are better, too.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (J+mig)
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (J+mig)
Ate better. The cafeteria there really sucked
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (J+mig)
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On the other hand, the parents could throw out the school board if they were so inclined. So if the school board decided that they weren't going to make the protection of the kids a priority, the parents could bring in a school board that was willing to do so.
But I'm guessing that the parents won't.
Posted by: junior at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (Fp6vo)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (U7k5w)
The judge asked Flynn if, after seeing the 302s that were withheld (exculpatory evidence prosection withheld) if he wanted to change his plea and Flynn declined the offer. The judge tried several more times to get him to withdraw his plea since it was blatantly obvious Mueller withheld information and the original 302s and notes are gone.
Now the judge saying he could sentence Flynn to lengthy jail time comes through harshly when READ but we dont know his tone when SPOKEN. The judge was giving him a chance to reconsider a guilty plea in light of this new evidence. Flynn again declined.
Finally the judge asked for both parties to get together amd come up with a plan when they reconveve in March.
The takeaway?
Flynn has been mentally broken by the Mueller prosecution. He is no longer a use to them but he does not want his family to suffer any longer. The judge gave him every oppprtunity to fight this injustice but Flynn is broken.
This judge saw straight through Muellers BS in witholding exculpatory evidence. I think this judge is also pissed at the delays in providing the information and the fact that the original 302s and notes have been destroyed. I thimk that when this reconvenes in March there are gonna be fireworks and they will be directed at Mueller.
Thats my reading of the situation as posted at Legal Imsurrection and elsewhere.
Posted by: Nevyan at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (a7HML)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (U7k5w)
If it was just about Flynn, a plea could have been accepted from him today with the recommended sentence. Maybe I'm missing something--the judge actually is pissed at Flynn and wants to throw the book at him over the specific charges--but not prone to see this as anything more than "repeat after me, 'Trump and I were hanging with the oligarchs and their whores at their Black Sea resort...'"
I would like to think this was a veiled suggestion to withdraw the plea, but Sullivan's remarks don't indicate so.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (iw59Q)
I'm sure he'll have plenty of tweets how all this is planned according to their elaborate game of eleventy seven dimensional ju jitsu chess ...
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (GdJ+p)
>>>>The judge could've blew up Mueller today. Instead, the bullshit continues.
Exactly. Flynn had the grenade that would have blown the whole "muh
Russia" investigation to kingdom come. The judge indicated he was
quite willing to pull the pin. And Flynn refused to hand him the
grenade.
I no longer feel any sympathy for him being on Mueller's leash.
When you have the judge on your side and begging you to drop the plea
because he knows you were set up, you take it.
-------------------------------------
Not after Mueller told Flynn that if he whines, his son is prison mincemeat. Flynn told the Judge, "Watch me eat Mueller's fish! arf, arf, arf, clap clap! No, Judge, I really like herring!"
Because that is exactly what Mueller told Flynn what to say. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (U7k5w)
He asked Flynn 3 or 4 times in the hearing if he wanted to change his plea before going off on him.
It feels to me like the judge knows this entire charge is bullshit, and he's signaling to Flynn that the judge doesn't CARE what 'deal' has been made with the prosecutor, if he pleads guilty he's getting jail time.
The judge is sending a signal to Flynn - fight the laughable charge, or go to jail, but he's not going to allow Flynn to plead guilty and walk away.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (setIA)
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:06 PM (U7k5w)
That would follow his earlier exasperation re the games surrounding the 302s. He won't allow Lady Justice to be pimped out on his watch.
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (6S+Rb)
Schlichters right. Buy guns and ammo.
This is maddening.
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (ZfRYq)
====================
What is frustrating is that Schlichter is stealing our own Mark Andrew Edwards gig right before our eyes.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (UsCnO)
We are Americans.
Failure is not an option.
It was not an option when King George attempted to reduce the colonies to de-facto slavery.
It was not an option through the hellish winter at Valley Forge.
It was not an option when the Democrats seceded
It was not an option when the Japanese torpedoed the Pacific Fleet.
It was not an option when the Soviets got the bomb.
Here, with our backs to the wall, I say the same.
Failure is not an option. The line must be drawn here.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (J+mig)
Yeah, and also when Germany bombed Pearl Harbor!
Posted by: John "Bluto" Blutarsky at December 18, 2018 02:13 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: John C Calhoun at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (1skAe)
"I've never sentenced someone for a crime who wasn't guilty... I don't want to start now."
Is that an accurate quote?
Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (3cq8T)
Rush Limbaugh said that on his show in the 10 o'clock hour.
Posted by: John at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (UsCnO)
Ditto. Flynn had every chance to fight back and strike a big blow against Mueller's thugs today. He whiffed.
And Trump could also blow this whole thing to smithereens at any time by simply declassifying the documents and showing the whole world the true nature of the scandal to spy on him. He doesn't.
Why the fuck should I give a shit about either of them when they won't fight back with everything they have at their disposal?
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (GdJ+p)
Would trust a reporter to accurately inform them.
During the Florida 2000 mess a NYTs reporter interviewed me and wrote me up as 3 separate people all agreeing with each other.
And people like you swallowed it all up.
And my my! What big ears you have Grandma.
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (6S+Rb)
The judge is sending a signal to Flynn - fight the laughable charge, or go to jail, but he's not going to allow Flynn to plead guilty and walk away.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (setIA)
Yeah that's my take away. Judge told Flynn if you're going toplay it safe don't expect me to bail your ass out.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (TAmPV)
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (jWe5r)
On the other hand, the parents could throw out the
school board if they were so inclined. So if the school board decided
that they weren't going to make the protection of the kids a priority,
the parents could bring in a school board that was willing to do so.
But I'm guessing that the parents won't.
Posted by: junior at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (Fp6vo)"...
It goes beyond abstract stuff like school board representation. They are straight up claiming a blanket immunity from the predictable results of their negligence as long as it's someone else who pulls the trigger.
This is about culpability, not administrative priorities; the latter results in hurt feelings. People are dead because multiple organizations and dozens of individuals employed by them consistently failed to do their job.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 02:18 PM (eAshZ)
As for Flynn, I cannot agree for one reason: he briefly solicited defense funds and not many ponied up (this includes me, and although I've got a heart of stone regret it includes me). He literally was bankrupted, asked for a little of the love the actual criminal Andrew McCabe received, and money wasn't raised. I don't know whether it is true or not about his son but if so that only increases how I feel.
Flynn served a nation honorably that turned around and spat on him and used him a political prop. He deserved better.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (iw59Q)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at December 18, 2018 02:28 PM (uCrjJ)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 02:29 PM (iw59Q)
When will they get Karma is a HUGE #@$#@? Biden rule, nuclear option. You really want to go down the treason road?
Posted by: joe dagostino at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (3w9Fm)
They may just get it."
Nah. Conservatives won't fire the first shot and the Left knows it. They are coward bullies hiding behind antifa masks yet still they test us with one outrage after the other. Why? Because we've taught them there is no consequence.
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (6S+Rb)
Everything the judge said was to Flynn and about Flynn. The context is crystal clear.
I am old enough to remember the days when even liberal judges would throw just about any case out if there was even "accidental" misconduct in a prosecutor's procedure. The underlying value was to protect liberty and the presumption of actual innocence, even if it means a guilty individual walks free.
Those days are long past. I suppose it became most obvious to me when the signature of a judge was no longer required for a U.S. citizen's phone conversations to listened to by governing authorities.
Posted by: DWC at December 18, 2018 02:35 PM (hqgb1)
Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 02:38 PM (koNhm)
Doubtful. I know your kind all too well.
If I'm wrong, I'll still be here to eat crow.
But if you're wrong, you'll just slither away. You're only here today to goad people as some kind of ego reinforcement. Doesn't even matter what the topic is, you're all about zinging cheap shots to compensate for whatever insecurities are making you feel inferior. For the same reason a bully pushes around a kid half his size.
What has you chasing that dopamine high? Go ahead. Spill it. Maybe we can help you work through it.
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (6S+Rb)
Yes. I am getting whiplash from the various stories floating around.
Posted by: Mike K at December 18, 2018 02:46 PM (s170V)
Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at December 18, 2018 02:53 PM (trMj1)
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 18, 2018 03:01 PM (SunNf)
Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (6S+Rb)
Wars are fought by 20 year olds. We are all 29. However, we have a huge amount of economic power and experience. We could become ungovernable, if we get organized.
You saw how scared the left was of the Tea Party.
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 18, 2018 03:03 PM (SunNf)
I am thinking a Judge can refuse to accept a plea, but in this case the plea was already accepted by Contreras, Strozk's dinner buddy, so Sullivan can't refuse to accept it because under law it has already been accepted.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (hKi6n)
What in the actual fukk?
Posted by: Beverly at December 18, 2018 05:19 PM (HjlD3)
That stood out for me. To me, it seemed like the judge was backed into a corner and HAD to say something about the prosecutors because they made it untenable for the jugde not to, vs Sullivan recognizing this "obvious" prosecutorial misconduct and dealing with it right from the start.
I felt that did not bode well for Flynn. I was worried that Sullivan is some kind of leftist shill, and it looks like this is exactly the case.
Just sickening.
Posted by: JumboMumbo at December 18, 2018 05:59 PM (Y19lx)
Posted by: Rose at December 18, 2018 06:12 PM (Ot5t8)
Posted by: GWB at December 18, 2018 06:57 PM (IVYWX)
ace,
I'm about to posit some rank speculation, here. But I swear, if I could, I would bet $1,000 even money on this speculation, I damn well would.
Judge Sullivan sent signals (through back channels or surrogates) that he was very sympathetic to General Flynn and even that Mueller's team may have behaved unethically in pressuring him into the guilty plea.
"But, you know, you guys (the defense) are going to have to make some kind of argument at sentencing to give the judge a predicate for lashing out at the government's case. He can't just step out there on his own. You have plead guilty after all. You have to at least vaguely suggest that you plea deal may not have been entirely legitimate. Give him something to work."
Unfortunately the defense took the bait, and instead this gave that hypocritical judge _THE_ perfect excuse to: lash out at the defense; falsely insinuate that the General may have committed treason; and postpone sentencing for MONTHS.
This allows Democrats and the media to continue the bullshit charade that what General Flynn has given - or is going to give - Mueller will devastate Trump.
I believe that General Flynn was setup... again.
These are some real evil bastards at work here.
Posted by: Cold Civil War at December 18, 2018 07:21 PM (Z2PYk)
Michael Flynn caught a break when his case was assigned to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, who was monstrously played by a corrupt band of DoJ criminal attorneys and FBI agents (falsified 302's) in the case of former Senator Ted Stevens. After Stevens was convicted, the Senate Republicans lost their ability to filibuster and made it possible for the Democrats to ram through ObamaCare on a single-party vote.
Posted by: Wontsubmit at December 18, 2018 08:15 PM (122Gu)
Posted by: macko at December 18, 2018 08:36 PM (YmqYy)
But, he didn't finger Trump. He's going along with the plea deal, as it has promised to keep his son from going through the same hell as he has. They tried to goad him into rejecting this deal, in order to have an excuse for going after his son - at which point, what father would not say, "I'll say anything, just leave him alone!"
Flynn is treading a narrow path, and - so far - he has beaten them. They are delaying, trying to wear him down by attrition.
PS - not that it's a secret, but the Judge is in on this. His "mis-statemtents" about treason didn't have the effect of goading him into an open, public protest. So, he walked it back.
Either that, or the Judge studied at the Hopelessly Over the Top Dramatic School, and just got carried away with his lines.
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