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Shocker: Google Funding "Conservatives" Who Then Write Articles Defending Google, Which Are Then Cited by Google as Arguments Not to Regulate Google or Treat It as a Monopoly
Muh Private Googles Monopoly.
Look who was taking Google money to push back on legislation protecting conservatives: @AEI and @ceidotorg https://t.co/KyaVQDoste
— Emerald Robinson (@EmeraldRobinson) December 12, 2018
LEAKED AUDIO REVEALS GOOGLE'S EFFORTS TO WOO CONSERVATIVES In February, The New York Times Magazine published a cover story urging regulators to break up Google because the company abuses its dominance in search to crush promising competitors. The next day, representatives from two conservative think tanks published blog posts defending Google and attacking the article's call for antitrust enforcement. Both think tanks have received funding from Google. Both blog posts referenced studies by a professor who has received funding from Google. In one post, the study referenced was published in a quarterly journal owned by third think tank, which has also received funding from Google. In a company-wide meeting a couple of weeks later, on March 1, Google's public policy team described the blog posts as the fruit of Google's efforts to build deeper relationships with conservatives, according to an audio recording of the meeting reviewed by WIRED. The recording of a contentious hour-long meeting offers a window into how Google thinks about its relationships in Washington, DC, its sensitivity to claims of political bias, and how executives explain to employees actions that some view as at odds with Google's values. The meeting was led by Google's US director of public policy, Adam Kovacevich, who explained that the company had to adjust its government-relations strategy after Donald Trump was elected, particularly since Republicans also control the House and Senate. "I think one of the directives we've gotten very clearly from Sundar [Pichai, Google's CEO], his leadership is to build deeper relationships with conservatives," Kovacevich said. "I think we've recognized that the company is generally seen as liberal by policymakers." ... The company wide-meeting, portions of which were previously reported by The Wall Street Journal, occurred shortly after Google was among the sponsors of the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), where speakers included white nationalists and conspiracy theorists. At the conference, Google held an invite-only reception, which Kovacevich said "built a lot of good will" among conservatives, and "tangible outcome[s]" like the two blog posts defending Google.He explained that the "crush phase" of the public's attitude towards Monster Tech was over, and that people might start talking about enforcing the actual law that is on the books regarding monopolies, which is what Google undeniably is -- in case you didn't know, antitrust law does not apply only to true monopolies, where there is literally not a single competitor, but to near-monopolies, where the company has 85% or more dominance. Google's market share of the search industry? 90%. If "conservatives" want to change antitrust law, then they should change antitrust law. But they must not be permitted to pretend it doesn't exist and simply argue for nonenforcement of the law, as Obama did with DACA. Are we a nation of laws or a nation of corporate interests who pay "conservatives" a lot of money to see those interests advanced, largely behind the scenes? Funny how these TruCons are so very selective about what Eternal Conservative Principles they are actually willing to defend. James Pethokoukis, author of the AEI post, told WIRED he hasn't been at CPAC in years and denied being influenced by anyone at AEI about what to write. CEI says it "consistently" opposes enforcement of on-the-books antitrust law. AEI itself did not respond, nor did the scholar whose "studies" Google quoted in support of itself. Maybe we can ask Jonah Goldberg to give them a ring-a-ding. He sits in AEI's "Asnet Chair for the Promotion of Conservative Conservation Concerns" or whatever. Maybe the Asnet Chair for Freedom, Eagles, Liberty and Freedom. Kovacevich also spoke about Google's efforts to "water down" two bills Google opposed which would make Tech Monsters liable for lawsuit in sex-trafficking and child porn cases in which their services had been used to conduct the business, SESTA and FOSTA. He spoke very highly of Representative Bob Goodlatte:
"Just to give you an example, last weekend The New York Times Magazine cover story was all about breaking up Google," Kovacevich said. “Among the people who wrote op-eds and blog posts rebutting that Times piece were two conservative think-tank officials who we work with closely--one from the American Enterprise Institute and one from the Competitive Enterprise Institute, who both attended [the reception]."
He said negotiations over the bill showed how Google sometimes works with people who do not "align 100 percent with our views." He pointed to Representative Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia), whom he called "one of our most helpful champions" on protecting internet companies.Aw, Monster Tech really needs your help being protected from lawsuits that no one else in the country is protected from, Bobby. Thank you for your service. Whoever it is you actually serve. More on this subject later today.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 12, 2018 03:27 PM (Wj6hd)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 12, 2018 03:27 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: kallisto at December 12, 2018 03:27 PM (kD8Fh)
Posted by: Dirty Harry at December 12, 2018 03:28 PM (F4u7C)
Posted by: Dirty Harry at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (F4u7C)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Probably no new word yet.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (ftdxp)
Posted by: zombie at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (c+2jX)
Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (BXMxN)
Posted by: Sponge at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (F4u7C)
Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:30 PM (UnA8+)
Probably no new word yet.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (ftdxp)
Because she may, and she may not.
Oh come on, SOMEONE was bound to use that pun.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:30 PM (37IEG)
Their principles are in their pockets and have always been there.
What I love most about the Trump era is all of the masks being removed.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Aetius451AD /i]
Sigh. Just saw a tweet saying that they won't even annnounce the reults for another hour.
Posted by: zombie at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (c+2jX)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Probably no new word yet.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (ftdxp)
Ace hasn't indicated that he's following the May vote at all.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (xJa6I)
Yet still want to influence us, AND, do business here.
I believe that the Right should take on, as a Cause, the Bill of Rights, because those rights are under assault across the globe... including here in the US.
Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (NgKpN)
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Yeah.... but when a group gets called "alt-right" or "white nationalist"..... Im betting them is the actual conservatives.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (nEOLy)
Kovacevich also spoke about Google's efforts to "water down" two bills Google opposed which would make Tech Monsters liable for lawsuit in sex-trafficking and child porn cases in which their services had been used to conduct the business,
then I was like:
He pointed to Representative Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia), whom he called "one of our most helpful champions" on protecting internet companies.
do we need to connect these dots, perchance?
Posted by: kallisto at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (kD8Fh)
I want to believe I'd do the right thing under temptation but past experience has taught me that I don't always.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (39g3+)
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In principle, antitrust laws seem like some of the least offensive uses of government coercion in the free market to me.
Antitrust law reform isn't exactly high on my list of legislative priorities as a conservative.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Someguy at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (h5Df3)
The same exact tactics are prevalent in the Warmerist bs. Grants determine results in the sad world of equal outcomes for all. It's a shame how little it takes to own a political actor/scientist.
Posted by: The Invisible Hand at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (YpRda)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: The Thunder by Triple Action, in .50 BMG at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (ctuyM)
The 'conservative' label is sorta like the way a Supreme Court Justice described pornography -- he wasn't sure how to verbalize it but he sure knew it when he saw it.
I don't see too many actual conservatives left in this country. Just bought and paid for pretenders.
Posted by: Newest Nic at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (jYje5)
Who knew?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: kallisto at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (kD8Fh)
Less a can of worms, more a can of anacondas.
Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (UnA8+)
Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (7J5t2)
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: Google, stroking a white cat at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (RD7QR)
I want to believe I'd do the right thing under temptation but past experience has taught me that I don't always.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (39g3+)
Total depravity of man. We haz it.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (lwiT4)
That is Mammon, my good sir. Mammon. I find that gentleman's checks always clear.
Posted by: Harvey Cuckleberg, TruCon and Free Market Purist at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (nEOLy)
Yeah.... I can't see how any US company could publish a Blasphemy Ap...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (NgKpN)
James Pethokoukis, author of the AEI post
One of those New York City conservatives and buddy of John Batchelor.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: This is CNN. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: Harvey Cuckleberg, TruCon and Free Market Purist at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (hLRSq)
I'm sorry. I thought you said "Moloch".
Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (UnA8+)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (HofIn)
Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (FTPVM)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (r9UYA)
Too tall.
Too tanned, rested and ready
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (xJa6I)
In before the GOP is a useless pile of dogshit.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (TAmPV)
Trust-busting is bad. Corporations are good!
Monopolies are just super super successful little guys! Like you and me!
"Let the Market decide"
Damn, I'm stupid.
Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (FTPVM)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (Wj6hd)
In before the GOP is a useless pile of dogshit.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (TAmPV)
In before "We're not voting our way out of this".
Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (UnA8+)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: Boris Badanov at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (nEOLy)
Posted by: Google at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (uGHnY)
Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)
I get angry because they pretend not to be a whore at all.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (aKsyK)
I like John Batchelor
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (FTPVM)
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Oh Cmon. Hotel California is way overrated and Take it Easy is a bit pretentious.... but they are in the Top Five American Rock N Roll Bands of All Time.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (lwiT4)
Don't feed the troll.
Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (UnA8+)
Posted by: Sponge at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (F4u7C)
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)
No, we get angry because we thought that whore only swung one way...
and don't like the fact they swing both, depending on who pays more.
Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (BJHTa)
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (FTPVM)
one of these nights.....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Del Wilkes at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (BBhgz)
I'm not as bothered by this story as others involving conservative
collusion. Conservatives have been very skeptical of antitrust law for a
long time, I think, since Robert Bork at least. I don't have strong
feelings one way or another on the merits, but has anyone from these two
think tanks ever had a pro-antitrust take?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (Wj6hd)
It's time to unleash those anti-trust laws. Many of us conservatives have been warning of tech monopolies for over 10 years.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
If they noted that they had taken funds from Google, then yes, they would be seen as being professional and consistent.
Was this the case?
Posted by: Boris Badanov at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (nEOLy)
You get angry because you can't control who the whore takes money from!
Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)
No sweetie, we get angry because the whore takes the money and buys the Chiefs of Police, the Mayors and the Governor.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (UnA8+)
He looked like he needed a Whataburger.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (lwiT4)
Writer 1 on the take: "X is true."
Writer 2 on the take: "X is true because Writer 1 said X is true."
Corporate or government "scientist" on the take: "X is true because look how many people agree."
Posted by: ... at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (6SeiN)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (vg8iE)
Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)
I get angry because they pretend not to be a whore at all.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (lwiT4)
When did we start talking about Hollywood celebs?
Posted by: Someguy at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (h5Df3)
Posted by: M K Ultra at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (NWIbW)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (KP5rU)
Funny how these TruCons are so very selective about what Eternal Conservative Principles they are actually willing to defend.
"I have principles. If you don't like them, I have others..."
- Groucho Marx, who was way ahead of his time.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (39g3+)
The votes are being counted by three officers of the 1922 committee and then there will be some sort of independent verification before the final tally is announced.
The result is due at 21:00 GMT.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (oVJmc)
When did we start talking about Hollywood celebs?
Posted by: Someguy at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (h5Df3)
Now now, they're not your average whores, they do it for the money!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (8XRCm)
The sheer scale of The Eagles success always mystified me.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (NFEMn)
Really, it is the only choice
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (2sCft)
It's a convenient fiction that gets told often enough that people believe it, but it hasn't been true for a long time. The top valued companies now are Amazon, Apple, Google, Facebook, and Samsung. One of those isn't even based in the US, and the other 4 are undeniably pro-leftist agendas.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Seems Legit at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (jUVms)
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Really? Fuck you!
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (vg8iE)
That's not funny
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (xJa6I)
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Wow. You "sometimes" work with people who do not "align 100 percent with our views."
Now how would we ever get the idea that your privacy-destroying, commie-enabling, monopolistic, libtard cesspool of a company leans left?
Posted by: Hooray for Boobies at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (SOgjZ)
Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (sf1AO)
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So it's Coolidge?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Gref at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (2Q/17)
But that's silly!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (37IEG)
and don't like the fact they swing both, depending on who pays more.
Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (NgKpN)
It's really like a weathervane in a tornado.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (39g3+)
What would you say if I gave you $15,000 to raise your priority?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (8XRCm)
The sheer scale of The Eagles success always mystified me.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (NFEMn)
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Lemme guess.
Youre in the 18-37 year old demographic???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: JoeF.
Drugs are a Helluva drug.
Posted by: The 70's at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (nEOLy)
Google could pay for a lot of cruises, lemmetellya.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
The Kristol ship is being filled
A thousand girls, a thousand thrills
A million ways to spend your time
When we get back, I'll drop a line
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (aKsyK)
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So it's Coolidge?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (NFEMn)
It's Lupus
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (xJa6I)
Antitrust law reform isn't exactly high on my list of legislative priorities as a conservative.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously
Under a stone cold review of the laws, it's as anti-conservative as it gets. Remember this whole shit take about 'FREE TRADE' over the past 2 years from the NeverTrumpers?
The government should not have a thing to say about any company doing anything outside of fraud, crime, active aid to enemies*, or the abetting of such.
The GOPe has been a complete fraud in motion for the past 105 years.
* which I consider gurgle engaged in right now
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ZejZP)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (HofIn)
Posted by: Don Q.
sometimes that happens when you are born Russian. see Max Boot. Americanism isn't really in the cards for them.
Posted by: x at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (Rarvo)
Go California, go!
State regulators proposing to tax text messages to support phone services for the poor
Goes to Fox News
http://bit.ly/2EizOfW
Love the one comment about people abusing text messages.
Kali's are f'n clueless.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ftdxp)
But they must not be permitted to pretend it doesn't exist and simply argue for nonenforcement of the law, as Obama did with DACA.
This touches on one thing that has always gotten me about libertarians like Pethoutkis and Tracinsky. And for that matter, Shapiro. Whenever this subject comes up they speak as though we were living under laws concocted by a triumvirate of Rand, Rothbard, and von Mises. And any action would be in violation of that.
This is absurd. The laws are what they are, and they are not written by Bastiat. They were written by, at best, pinko Dems and go-along Reps. At worst, they are really regulations created by bureaucrats.
But suddenly, for some reason, the (true) point that people change their economic activity because of the laws - a point they make over and over in other contexts - gets forgotten.
Ticks me off.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (VaN/j)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (KUaJL)
Stupid people still think that just because someone owns something and is rich, they must be "conservative."
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (FTPVM)
I thought Amazon owned Goodlatte.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)
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He is not owned. He is a rental with multiple customers.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (2sCft)
[Pichai, Google's CEO], his leadership is to build deeper relationships
with conservatives," Kovacevich said.
I wasn't aware that the phrase "build deeper relationships with" necessitated bribing them.
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (fD23g)
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (lwiT4)
This has long been a logical fallacy that many fall for. Truth is not a majority vote, its either true or not irregardless of how many "experts" agree upon it.
But for the credulous, ignorant, and ill-educated, it sounds compelling.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (xJa6I)
I thought Amazon owned Goodlatte.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)
Turns out he's easy.
Posted by: Google, stroking a white cat at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (RD7QR)
BUT THIS. This kind of Google dominated power abuse crap, fueled by the wormtongue-esque GOPe Nevertrumpers, is why conspiracy theories have legs! Peel back the mask, and the gaping maw of totalitarianism and chaos blinks back at you.
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (hvf9s)
I rate this as : True
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (lwiT4)
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LUPUS!? Is it Lupus!!!??
Posted by: George Costanza at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (BDZWU)
Three of the five armies thought so.
Posted by: Beorn Free at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (nEOLy)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (WXewq)
Posted by: JoeF.
Drugs are a Helluva drug.
Posted by: The 70's at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (nEOLy)
You're telling us? Bloody Hell....
Posted by: Dark Side of the Moon at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (NFEMn)
80 Google owns Goodlatte? That's a shock.
I thought Amazon owned Goodlatte.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)
Turns out he's easy.
Posted by: Google, stroking a white cat at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (RD7QR)
Good God people! Goodlatte isn't a house!
He's more like a time-share condo.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (37IEG)
What a prince of a show !!!
Posted by: Del Wilkes at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (BBhgz)
it strikes me that Large S would be a good name for a band.
Posted by: Anachronda at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (xGZ+b)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (HofIn)
any company doing anything outside of fraud, crime, active aid to
enemies*, or the abetting of such.
The GOPe has been a complete fraud in motion for the past 105 years.
* which I consider gurgle engaged in right now
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ZejZP)
Sounds great in theory but in the real world monopolies are bad. Would you prefer Ma Bell never being broken up?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (CQ3Qb)
Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (r9UYA)
Too tall.
Too tanned, rested and ready
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (xJa6I)
Does that mean it's Hillary?
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (VaN/j)
They doubled his estates in France.
Flake turn .. for much less.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (WXewq)
I thought Amazon owned Goodlatte.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)
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He is not owned. He is a rental with multiple customers.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ffYR/)
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Kind of a condo Congressman, you're saying. There are many rooms in his mansion, and all of them are for sale.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (LISuA)
Three of the five armies thought so.
Posted by: Beorn Free at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (nEOLy)
So do we
Posted by: New England Patriots at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Augustine at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (BDZWU)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (/9p9e)
I thought he had Graves Disease.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (z1Nsn)
Posted by: blaster at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (9VeU0)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (HofIn)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (zcM+Q)
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (+ZMGe)
I think those are the most valuable brands. The top five companies by market value is slightly different.
Apple, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, and Facebook. Samsung is #12 by that measure.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (9qZ3S)
House the people Livin' in the street Oh, oh, there's a solution
Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
Into the future
Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (r9UYA)
Too tall.
Too tanned, rested and ready
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (xJa6I)
Does that mean it's Hillary?
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (VaN/j)
I would pay $15,000 to see Hilary wear a MAGA hat in public for the day.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (xJa6I)
Hmmm, Plinketto. Are there that many Culkin movies?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (ycWCI)
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Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (NFEMn)
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Lemme guess.
Youre in the 18-37 year old demographic???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (8XRCm)
I wish.
I was 14 when like (apparently) every other American , I went out and bought Their Greatest Hits when it came out......
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (/9p9e)
I thought he had Graves Disease.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (lwiT4)
Hand problems...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (/9p9e)
Apple, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, and Facebook. Samsung is #12 by that measure.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (9qZ3S)
Probably. I got that list from Google (heh) and didn't really look to vet it. But the point stands. I can look at any list and I don't see a single company that has taken principled conservative stands on anything.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (KUaJL)
While explaining over Thanksgiving why global arming is a scam to overly control people's lives.
You heartless bastard
Posted by: Michelle Fields at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (TAmPV)
So, like a hooker, right?
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (fD23g)
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Pretty much the very definition of one.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (ffYR/)
Yeah, so, I was half keeping my eye on that, but I didn't see any new news on it, and then AFTER I posted this, I clicked on CNN and saw that they would be announcing the result in 15 minutes.
SHIT. What a waste of a post.
Maybe I should put this one into draft?
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (PbpT7)
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We'd still have Dad yelling at us "Keep it down! I'm on LONG DISTANCE!"
Posted by: Hooray for Boobies at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (SOgjZ)
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (FTPVM)
What the hell???
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (/9p9e)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (xJa6I)
You know who else had Lupus? Jim Phelps of the IMF...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Lupus gave him the Willies.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:50 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 03:50 PM (bQtop)
Yay, I liked him on there.
Over/under on whether the RLM guys have talked with him about banging Mila Kunis?
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 03:50 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 12, 2018 03:50 PM (WXewq)
Oh I think there's some basis for reexamining anti-trust laws, since
they are kind of unevenly applied. But I agree, its a pretty low
priority to me.
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RICO, RICO, RICO . . .
As long as we are stuck with that abomination, might as well use it.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: torabora at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (cjJ09)
Because they'll never read articles like this one - which makes it abundantly clear why they got their clocks cleaned. Well that, and massive vote fraud in CA helped. A lot.
Posted by: DocJ at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (IbD2v)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (bQtop)
Posted by: Dr. Weevil at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (sPgZ5)
Posted by: Boots at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (e9omi)
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM
You say that like it's a Bad Thing.
Posted by: Stormy D. at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: torabora at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (cjJ09)
I mean, I (and most of us here) sniffed out National Review was a con years ago.
But name one single conservative idea that is policy today because of the thinking power concentrated in these think tanks.
Or, as a dose of reality: How many liberal ideas have they given a veneer and repackaged as conservative?
And then became policy because it was a "conservative" proposal?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 12, 2018 03:53 PM (TN1P5)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (CQ3Qb)
Have you been paying attention to where the seven Bell dwarves are these days? Bell Atlantic ate NyNex and then merged with GTE. BellSouth merged back in to ATT along with Ameritech, Southwestern Bell, and Pacific Telesis.
that leave ones baby bell that's not rejoined with a variation of the old Bells.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:53 PM (37IEG)
He said negotiations over the bill showed how Google sometimes works with people who do not "align 100 percent with our views."
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Wow. You "sometimes" work with people who do not "align 100 percent with our views."
Now how would we ever get the idea that your privacy-destroying,
commie-enabling, monopolistic, libtard cesspool of a company leans left?
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That's what leapt out at me about this. Whores gonna whore is not shocking, but for Google to flat-out state how unusual it is they would use someone who doesn't kowtow to them completely.
Posted by: TheHoser at December 12, 2018 03:55 PM (IDjUx)
Further, companies will still engage in fraud and extortion. And the government will not be able to suppress this very well. Along with the reasons above, it will lack - even where the will is present - the resources to detect and punish. Unless of course we have a panopticon state, but that just undermines the whole project.
To my mind, pure free marketeers are not all that different from the "socialism with the right people in charge" brigade. Maybe a little less deluded, but just a little.
And that doesn't even raise the question of whether successful capitalist societies tend to bring about cultures in which capitalism cannot survive. Not proven, I'll grant, but there is a prima facia case.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 03:56 PM (VaN/j)
The sheer scale of The Eagles success always mystified me.
Simple. Take the Flying Burrito Brothers (w/Gram Parsons) and water it down to the lowest common denominator.
Do the same thing with the Allman Brothers, you get Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Do it to Lynyrd Skynyrd, and you get .38 Special.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at December 12, 2018 03:57 PM (P/ALc)
Posted by: johnd01 at December 12, 2018 04:08 PM (ukNFU)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 04:16 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 04:16 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:41 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2018 04:41 PM (WaxcS)
Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at December 12, 2018 04:42 PM (2sCft)
Poof, it's gone.
Another cloud of smoke, and it's back.
Sort of like the left's concern about women. I never suspected Ace of that.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:42 PM (VaN/j)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 04:43 PM (ftdxp)
Posted by: Archer at December 12, 2018 04:43 PM (gmo/4)
The definition of "monopoly" has gotten really watered down.
You want to go after Google then there are tons of legitimate ways to go about it, but the "monopoly" play is not one of them.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:44 PM (oRu+u)
Posted by: x at December 12, 2018 04:44 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Ceremonial Mace +6 at December 12, 2018 04:44 PM (7PwuC)
Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (2sCft)
There's another problem: Timescale.
Let's say I agree that Google will become so thuggish in its censorship and INTERFERENCE WITH US ELECTIONS (just like RUSSIA!) that a competitor will eventually rise and become its equal.
What is the time scale we're talking about? 10 years? 20 years? NEVER?! (Some monopolies are too powerful and remain in place forever.)
Should we just wait for the magic of the self-correcting market for 20 or 30 years while we're censored, surveilled, and manipulated politically? After 30 years of Google stacking the deck for Democrats, what exactly would be left of America to conserve?
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (G0vdT)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (yWXpx)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (8XRCm)
If true, could be problematic.
Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (OYTRN)
Now now ace, collapse the nuance and you'll collapse the West.
Posted by: DaveA at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (37IEG)
Like Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: DamnedYankee
Smells like cat piss.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (ftdxp)
The definition of "monopoly" has gotten really watered down.
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yeah it's gotten "watered down" to 85% dominance. Really, really watered down. I mean, a company which controls 90% of the market its in and which routinely acts in concert with other companies to deplatform its competitors is not the sort of "monopoly" we should worry about.
We should just accept that Google will be picking our presidents for the next 30 years until the magic of market discipline self-corrects.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (786Ro)
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Tell you what. Screw the MSM. Some of the VERY best writers are right fucking here on this blog.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (8XRCm)
The definition of "monopoly" has gotten really watered down.
You want to go after Google then there are tons of legitimate ways to go about it, but the "monopoly" play is not one of them.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:44 PM (oRu+u)
This has been discussed already. While not a monopoly under the ordinary and original meaning, it is so under US law. Or at least, that's the argument.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (VaN/j)
I used to consider myself more of a libertarian than a conservative because it seemed like conservatives were too focused on socon issues I thought were more or less just virtue signaling, but the libertarians seem almost gleeful at the prospect of a few social marxist oligarchs ruling over us.
Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:48 PM (UfkIY)
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Tell you what. Screw the MSM. Some of the VERY best writers are right fucking here on this blog.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (8XRCm)
Mostly they people who write "First!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 04:48 PM (/9p9e)
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you misspelled "legal weed".
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (8XRCm)
Re : ZH article on Google
I struggled with the title of this piece, because ever since the 2016 election, usage of the term "deep state" has become overly associated with Trump cheerleaders. I'm not referring to people who voted for Trump, whom I can both understand and respect, I'm talking about the Trump cultists. Like most people who mindlessly and enthusiastically attach themselves to political figures, they tend to be either morons or opportunists.
oh goody. Zero to Nevertrumper in a single paragraph.
Please DO go on...
Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (LL1Be)
Weakly Standard, Shapiro, George Will, Ect. Ect.
Posted by: Ceremonial Mace +6 at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (7PwuC)
Whatever. If you're open to bullshit like that, then you're just pro-monopoly.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (PbpT7)
See Jail bad. berry berry bad
I am sure he was a mother's joy before the white bastards jailed him....FREE HEUY
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (yWXpx)
Like Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: DamnedYankee
Smells like cat piss.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (ftdxp)
Don't forget the chardonnay.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (VaN/j)
This thread is not new, it is old, and sullied!
Like Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: DamnedYankee
Smells like cat piss.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (ftdxp)
this has often made me wonder, what was so bad about Sully that they named a bad thing after him?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (37IEG)
Just the Oh Yeah You Want Me To Do That Well Fuck You I'm Gonna Do Just The Opposite brigade is enough to sink any of these magical theories. Those people exist and can monkeywrench any beautiful plans.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (4ErVI)
Willowed:
"people who are waiting for asylum in Tijuana say they'll go back home for fifty large."
Migrant? You can have my answer now, if you like. My offer is this: nothing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (LsBY9)
Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (7PwuC)
Been here for a while. There's beer in the fridge.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (PbpT7)
FIFY
Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 04:50 PM (786Ro)
Whoa! Back to Google!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 12, 2018 04:50 PM (xfb67)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
Two kinds of monopolies: natural and government chartered.
What we have in the us are an evil mix of both.
Remove the implicit charters and the natural monopolies will melt in the sunlight of exposure to a real free market.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 12, 2018 04:50 PM (ZejZP)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 12, 2018 04:50 PM (0OmEj)
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My recollection is that both Alphabet (i.e. Google's parent company) and Microsoft are led by Indians (dot, not feather). i.e. they're probably led by people who were born into the upper-tier castes, and have carried over the attitudes that they grew up with in India's caste system.
Posted by: junior at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (Fp6vo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 04:48 PM (/9p9e)
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I see the potential for much wider exposure. How does First: The Movie strike you?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (Gsi5v)
Corporate collusion is something you can legitimately go after.
We should just accept that Google will be picking our presidents for the next 30 years until the magic of market discipline self-corrects.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (PbpT7)
Finding Google's in-kind political donations (unreported) is another.
I'm sure the IRS could find all sorts of shit on Google - legitimate issues.
You don't have to destroy the concept of a monopoly in order to attack Google. I hate Google as much as anyone, but I hate the government making up bullshit even more.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (oRu+u)
>>The definition of "monopoly" has gotten really watered down.
>>You want to go after Google then there are tons of legitimate ways to go about it, but the "monopoly" play is not one of them.
I'm not sure how you can argue that. It's market dominance is not only dominant to the point where the competition is virtually irrelevant, their dominance sets the market price for advertising and other services where they compete.
They are already being investigated by the EU and Australia for market monopoly. They seem to be the very definition of a monopoly to me.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (/tuJf)
Yeah, so, I was half keeping my eye on that, but I didn't see any new news on it, and then AFTER I posted this, I clicked on CNN and saw that they would be announcing the result in 15 minutes.
SHIT. What a waste of a post.
Maybe I should put this one into draft?
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All of the sudden I feel like a shelf, sitting on the floor, unmoored to anything. Just sitting there, nothing on me but some dust and moldering expectations.
Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 04:52 PM (TN3ry)
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 04:52 PM (+ZMGe)
Fuck them.
Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at December 12, 2018 04:52 PM (7PwuC)
Then what? Make them make their search algorithms worse?
It's not as if we're waiting for plucky undergrads working out of a garage to come up with better search. Freaking Microsoft is trying to compete with them.
That's all the money and all the brains you can throw at a thing and it's not succeeding.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 04:52 PM (fuK7c)
Or too much tasting of the cream cheese as I blended in the sugar.
The crash is going to be epic.
Posted by: R. An Domeski at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (hrcfq)
Posted by: eleven at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (NLLmE)
I see the potential for much wider exposure. How does First: The Movie strike you?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (Gsi5v)
This movie will star me, for I am always first! As Allah wills!
Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (VaN/j)
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The term for them is Oligopoly.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (bQtop)
Posted by: eleven at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (NLLmE)
Be the banker and then loan yourself money.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Archer at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (gmo/4)
Google's henchpersyns are definitely trying to woo us in the selling-us-a-bill-of-goods sense.
Posted by: Sporkatus at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (HtLSE)
Be the banker and then loan yourself money.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (4ErVI)
Be the banker and cheat. Just like real life!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (37IEG)
I don't see what's so radical about telling a monopoly, "No, you can't use your monopolistic power in this one area to squash competition in this other area in which there is currently a lot of competition."
Google is currently setting the rules for the whole tech industry as to what speech people may engage in. You think it's a conincidence that when one "Independent" Tech Monster bans someone, everyone else bans him within a week?
No-- there's coordination, and a default to employing Google's "algorithmic" definitions of Forbidden Speech.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (OLCnA)
Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (37IEG)
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Yeah. "FIRST"......(six hundred years later). Blow me.
Posted by: Jesus H Christ. at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (8XRCm)
That's okay with me. None of the traditional monopolies in America have ever been able to withstand the market and progress for very long ... except for the ones that the government sanctioned and protected, of course.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (oRu+u)
Posted by: eleven at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (NLLmE)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (4ErVI)
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Loan???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (8XRCm)
Like Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (37IEG)
Who will never be President!
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (+ZMGe)
Let's say I agree that Google will become so thuggish in its censorship and INTERFERENCE WITH US ELECTIONS (just like RUSSIA!) that a competitor will eventually rise and become its equal.
What is the time scale we're talking about? 10 years? 20 years? NEVER?! (Some monopolies are too powerful and remain in place forever.)
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Also, thuggish monopolies don't play fair, especially once they are YUUUUGE. You can bet they'd be bribing congressmen and senators by the boatload and changing the rules to protect their interests and undercut competition.
say how long has Disney extended the copyright on Mickey?
Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (snB0C)
Been here for a while. There's beer in the fridge.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (PbpT7)
While I was never a libertarian, I did like most of the ones I knew back in the 60s through early 80s. Then, my view was there was a long path down the road we could walk together before parting company.
But the new lot are much worse. They seem to think a lot less about, e.g., freedom of thought, and a lot more about toking up. Granted, the latter was common in those days too, but it wasn't such a principle. Also, they've gone from mostly atheists to overwhelmingly Christianity hating.
One thing they had in common, then as now, is refusal to even address the question of how to keep a society even partly open to the kinds of liberty they wanted. Somehow, that was supposed to work itself out.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (VaN/j)
That's okay with me. None of the traditional monopolies in America have ever been able to withstand the market and progress for very long ... except for the ones that the government sanctioned and protected, of course.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (oRu+u)
_________
We like Google, Facebook, and Twitter
Posted by: NSA at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (7PwuC)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (zcM+Q)
Posted by: Purple Headed Diamond Cutter at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (q1al1)
That's when there's only one buyer. I learned that by accident in college when there was an obscure little booklet next to the book I was looking for.
I stole all of the booklet's ideas and got an A.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (fuK7c)
It's not as if we're waiting for plucky undergrads working out of a garage to come up with better search. Freaking Microsoft is trying to compete with them.
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Monopolies are forbidden by law to engage in "tying," using a monopoly position to gain a competitive advantage in another field.
Like, say, political choice.
Watch "The Creepy Line," especially the last half hour, and then get back to me. It's on Amazon and free on Amazon Prime.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (PbpT7)
Back then those guys, and I'm thinking of the railroads and the Vanderbilts, used to rig the stock market. They were throwing the entire economy into tailspins while they played casino against their enemies. I have no doubt in my mind that Google would do the same thing if it could.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (4ErVI)
We've never really seen a business with this much power over just about every facet of society, business, politics and culture.
What exactly would be the downside for the government breaking them up? Are there really many anarchist libertarians out there that never seem to say a peep about the 300,000 of regulations on business, but this is their hill to die on? Making sure Google gets to flex their power without interruption?
Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: John Doe at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (WX+x0)
Posted by: Bundle of Sticks Inc at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (37IEG)
Because, seriously, where else you gonna go other than OffTheGrid(tm)?
Posted by: DocJ at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (IbD2v)
Not the people I turn to for help in understanding business. If the EU is against something then my first instinct is that I should probably be for it.
They seem to be the very definition of a monopoly to me.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (/tuJf)
Odd definition you must have, there.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (oRu+u)
Say Google gets broke up into 10 "baby Googles", like what happened to Bell. What's to stop them from simply carrying on as always (aside from market dominance )? 10 baby Googles censoring anyone to the right of the Daily Kos, instead of one big Google doing it? 10 baby Googles invading privacy instead of one big Google doing it.
I'm asking a question rather than making an argument here. If we break them up, how does that change their worldview and their behavior? I don't think even 1 or 2 of the new, "baby Googles" or "baby Facebooks" would become liberalized (in the conservative / libertarian meaning ). Still a bunch soi-soaked mini-maoists.
Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (786Ro)
Unserious Anti-semitic Libertarian Cheetos and Wheed fucktards, the lot of them.
Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM
The patriarchal race to claim "First!" is just another example of male entitlement.
The presumed right to use and abuse something and then walk away to conquer something new is a hallmark of colonialism.
Posted by: Marcie Bianco at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (ctuyM)
The fact that Google makes itself an effective advertiser by collecting and correlating enormous amounts of data about the people targeted by its ads is irrelevant under current definitions of a monopoly.
That's not saying there aren't other ways of going after Google, but anti-trust law seems to be a poor tool for this.
Hey! Give it to Mueller! He'll find something.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (Gsi5v)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (aKsyK)
Do you know what happened when the government was forced to break up the telephone monopoly? Competition brought us the a multitude of new communication technologies that never would have seen the light of day if one company had been allowed to dominate the entire market sector.
One of those technologies that bloomed was the internet and that brought us search engines and that brought us Google.
And here we are. Again.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)
I don't see what's so radical about telling a monopoly, "No, you can't use your monopolistic power in this one area to squash competition in this other area in which there is currently a lot of competition."
Google is currently setting the rules for the whole tech industry as to what speech people may engage in. You think it's a conincidence that when one "Independent" Tech Monster bans someone, everyone else bans him within a week?
No-- there's coordination, and a default to employing Google's "algorithmic" definitions of Forbidden Speech.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (PbpT7)
Yep. Google gets to use their search engine algorithms to fudge the results so conservative sources or just general information contrary to their preferred narrative to show up on Page 8 of search results. They can blacklist a company's ad even if it doesn't actually run against any rules just because the owners are conservative. They can ban people on youtube and claim they violated terms when there is no proof.
And then they get Facebook and Twitter to join in on their new standards.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (WaxcS)
What is your definition of "for very long"? For a generation or two?
A generation or two doesn't seem like much looking back a hundred years, but try living through it in the premise.
The social left took control of the universities -- monopolistic control of ideas -- a genration or two ago.
When do you see the magic of market forces correcting that? And how many generations of Brainwashed Socialist Retards are we willing to put up with while we wait for the Magic of Market Forces to unfuck the academy?
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (PbpT7)
That's okay with me. None of the traditional monopolies in America have ever been able to withstand the market and progress for very long ... except for the ones that the government sanctioned and protected, of course.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (oRu+u)
You mean like they're doing with google?
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (WaxcS)
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (VaN/j)
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The term for them is Oligopoly.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (ffYR/)
So what? Law isn't philosophy. In all cases the functioning definition, unless already established IN LAW, is written in. And they cannot be exactly the same as either technical or ordinary language uses them.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (VaN/j)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)
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On our own.
Going down the only road we've ever known!!
Posted by: whitesnake at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Marcie Bianco at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (ctuyM)
My sword, is right, there is no presumption woman!
Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Bundle of Sticks Inc at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM
FIFY.
Posted by: The Sidewalks of San Francisco at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (ctuyM)
Do you know what happened when the government was forced to break up the telephone monopoly? Competition brought us the a multitude of new communication technologies that never would have seen the light of day if one company had been allowed to dominate the entire market sector.
One of those technologies that bloomed was the internet and that brought us search engines and that brought us Google.
And here we are. Again.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)
I agree with this, except that google's reach is much larger. So the US government could only hobble google in the US. Which would hobble us.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (PUmDY)
One can look at standard oil and shrug and say "Oh, that would have worked itself out in 60 years."
Easy to say, looking back after "magic" would have fixed things (one presupposes).
But how about living through a monopoly for 20 or 40 years?
Especially an evil one with an eye towards political manipulation and even mind control (or, at least: strong mind INFLUENCE)?
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (PbpT7)
Can there be a First 2 ?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (aKsyK)
I've worked for you haven't I? Where all the projects are the #1 priority?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (bQtop)
I'm sure Big Brother will be benevolent.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (PbpT7)
What exactly would be the downside for the government breaking them up? Are there really many anarchist libertarians out there that never seem to say a peep about the 300,000 of regulations on business, but this is their hill to die on? Making sure Google gets to flex their power without interruption?
Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (UfkIY)
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In reality, I don't see Govt. breaking them up. For one, there's the serious lobbying coin they have spread around. For another, Gulag does a tremendous amount of business with Govt. They can root out information that the Govt. can't, at least within the law.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (PUmDY)
Now I can sit in comfort and enjoy a brew while Mrs D shops and not hide out in my car.
Damn I love 'Murica!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (h8FRs)
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (+ZMGe)
Don't have to hobble anything...just make sure google, twitter, FB, and the other media monopolies do NOT censor FREE SPEECH.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (yWXpx)
ah don't worry, on a long enough time scale we're all dead anyway.
I'm sure Big Brother will be benevolent.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (PbpT7)
Dude, that's a variation of when you're getting ass raped, relax and enjoy it.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (bQtop)
I support nationalization. After all, that is what banana republics do, and that is what the left seems to want us to be. So shove it up, break it off.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (ftdxp)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (zcM+Q)
Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (UfkIY)
Ahem.
Posted by: Standard Oil at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (IbD2v)
One of those technologies that bloomed was the internet and that brought us search engines and that brought us Google.
And here we are. Again.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)
Who didn't like waiting a few months to get a telephone installed? That was bad but at least you didn't have to worry about shopping for a phone at the store since you could only get one through the telephone monopoly.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (4ErVI)
Whenever they pay for data storage and compression, they pay google.
And of course the NSA is in bed with Google.
But whatever, it's a "Free Market" and everything with no government interference.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (PbpT7)
We've never really seen a business with this much power over just about every facet of society, business, politics and culture.
Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (UfkIY)
Ahem.
Posted by: Standard Oil at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (IbD2v)
This guy needs to hold our beers.
Posted by: AT&T at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (37IEG)
Remember just a week or two ago, the discussion was that not only was a Dem (Harris) going to lose her seat on the judiciary committee due to gains the Republicans made but that the Turtle was going to shrink the committee to 15 seats, meaning that Booker was going to lose his seat as well....
Welp, the uniparty strikes again.
Just read that Harris and Booker have retained their seat.
You may be wondering: "How the hell did that happen?".
McConnell not only didn't shrink the committee, he F'ing expanded it!
You can't make this stuff up.
Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (G0vdT)
"Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"
Posted by: kbdabear at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (0Ntuf)
So it's a kiddie playpen but for adults....Clever girl.
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: mr. bitterness at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (hX8y3)
It did not take long before the violent economic protests racking France turned anti-Semitic, blaming Jews for their woes and controlling the government; Synagogues shuttered for first time; Spike in emigration inquiries.
But of course
What took so long
Memo to European/British Jews: GET THE FUCK OUT WHILE YOU CAN..Or suffer the fate of whites in South Africa
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (yWXpx)
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Watch "The Creepy Line," especially the last half hour, and then get back to me. It's on Amazon and free on Amazon Prime.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM
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Heh. That sounds a bit like: "Read the essay 'Satan Sucks'. It's tattooed on Beelzebub's scrotum."
Posted by: irright at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (pMGkg)
Posted by: Hands
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Unless they are illegally colluding with one another, the benefit would be if some are discriminating, others can pick up that lost business. Competition is what makes "good" capitalism work.
The problem is now, Google can really do whatever the hell it wants and it might lose .05% of market share. They have no fear because they know there are no real alternatives. And a company with that sort of power and no consequences to abusing it is very dangerous.
This goes beyond silly issues like lassiez-faire business interests. Our politics and culture are on the line and Google is very interested in controlling both.
Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM
This.
Posted by: Kevin Hart at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (ctuyM)
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Most higher education maybe 75% can't be unfucked. Were gonna have to drop neutron bombs to get rid of the NPC's and it'll take a generation to get real humans back in the majority. And that's assuming the average American woman decides she wants to have half as many kids as she has purses. Okay don't panic, y'all would need to start having litters, let's say 1/3 as many kids as purses.
Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (TN3ry)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM
This.
Posted by: Kevin Hart at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (ctuyM)
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*snort
Posted by: whitesnake at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (8XRCm)
You didn't seriously expect anything different, did you?
Posted by: DocJ at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (IbD2v)
There's a link at Insty's for: Google Hosts Sharia Law App Enabling Muslims to Report Blasphemy and Heresy to the Police
BTW, Twitter is allowing the Paki government to tweet people that they've violated Paki (Islamic) law...
https://twitter.com/mightyobvious/status/
1072716783843344386
Most of the responses are Arabic (I assume) if you click through; and... more here...
https://twitter.com/miss9afi/status/
1069712704187875328/photo/1
BTW, a Canadian journalist, Anthony Furey, has also received a "you are breaking Pakistani law" Twitter warning too.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (Evws/)
Earlier in the day, the babys parents Shira and Amichai Ish-ran, hospitalized for injuries sustained in the attack, visited the baby for the first time.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (yWXpx)
Uh ... government MADE the monopoly of Mas Bell.
And much of Bell wanted to be broken up because they had tons of technology that they weren't allowed to market.
One of those technologies that bloomed was the internet and that brought us search engines and that brought us Google.
And here we are. Again.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)
The internet blooming had more to do with government repealing its own legislative restrictions than with Ma Bell.
Ma Bell was a government monopoly, sort of like many utilities ... which is what many wanted to bring back with the crazy "Net Neutrality" crap. Guess who loved "Net Neutrality" ...?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (oRu+u)
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (hvf9s)
*******
I know huh??!!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (h8FRs)
and they must be regulated regarding anti-competitive manipulation of search terms.
You gotta watch The Creepy Line. This is stuff Google is already doing -- DURING POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS.
During the 2016 election, they suppressed negative search results for Hillary Clinton but did not do so for Trump or Sanders.
Studies found that from 60% to 100% of people were influenced by these manipulated search terms -- if a search result comes up all positive, they almost all think "Wow, that person is a good person."
Studies have found that 10% to 20% of actual votes can be shifted by this kind of search result manipulation.
The guy who first wrote this up in 2013 for the Washington Post WAS BLOCKED FROM USING GOOGLE starting the very next day after the study was published!
Google claimed "coincidence."
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (PbpT7)
One. As in one year, not one generation. The student loan bubble is going to explode, and who knows what the hell will replace it. Why the Republicans don't neuter a major enemy by restricting loans to Gender Studies majors, I have no idea- oh wait, banks.
As for Google having complete dominance everywhere but America: dream on. China just about had them on a leash and the EU is salivating to tear them apart. The world will, unquestionably, be better off when Google is rendered a corpse.
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (qqEFK)
Someone remade the new Godzilla trailer using similar footage from old Godzilla movies:
Enjoy the Cheese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=147&v=J_v4POTywPQ
Posted by: naturalfake at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (9X624)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)
Verizon, ATT, Qwest.
Oh, and in the process, we ATE GTE, which was "the other phone company".
Soon, we shall have all the rings of power forged by the dwarf lords, plus the secret decoder whistle ring held by GTE!
Posted by: AT&Sauron at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (HTHlp)
Posted by: Off the reservation at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (vWMNq)
meh. it'll probably just be a warmed over angry birds.
Posted by: Anachronda at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (NmR1a)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (oRu+u)
Brian in New Orleans ?
Posted by: Del Wilkes at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (pNXT2)
Wanna guess what group? I'll give you a second.
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Moderate Republicans. Yes, the cucks. The Panicky Horses who immediately begin stampeding when their leftist twitter friends spook them with some anti-Trump agitprop.
Moderate Republicans have the weakest wills, the strongest need to "fit in" with other people, and are the MOST easily influenced by Google and FaceBook manipulations.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (PbpT7)
Studies have found that 10% to 20% of actual votes can be shifted by this kind of search result manipulation.
The guy who first wrote this up in 2013 for the Washington Post WAS BLOCKED FROM USING GOOGLE starting the very next day after the study was published!
Google claimed "coincidence."
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (PbpT7)
I have sleepless nights realizing that if someone competent was leading Google's censorship efforts, we'd have no way to document any of this, much less prove it. But you're right. Seize their algos and share them with the world. Then disemploy the legions of SJWs.
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (qqEFK)
You may be wondering: "How the hell did that happen?".
McConnell not only didn't shrink the committee, he F'ing expanded it!
You can't make this stuff up.
Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM
Dude. We will have one, maybe two more SCOTUS nominations before 2020.
The last one was a ratings bonanza! Everything you could want! Action! RomCom! Pathos!
Here's a Pro Tip: You don't get those without players. Premium players. I'm expanding the ensemble.
Are you not entertained?
Posted by: McTurtle at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (ctuyM)
216 I see the potential for much wider exposure. How does First: The Movie strike you?
meh. it'll probably just be a warmed over angry birds.
Posted by: Anachronda at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (NmR1a)
Not if you let me write the script.
Posted by: guy ritchie at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)
Someone who is not funny.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (+ZMGe)
Maybe we won't have a yellow jacket movement, how about a Howard Beal, "were not going to take it anymore" movement?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
Howard got called into a room was was told the facts of life.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (aKsyK)
New hotness: To big to govern
These tech companies have the power to determine elections all over the world --- and we think a Rep. or Senator will stop them?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (bQtop)
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Bruce Campbell has apparently tweeted that he's up for it.
Posted by: junior at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (Fp6vo)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)
Someone who is not funny.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (+ZMGe)
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I nominate Janet Reno.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (Gsi5v)
Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (NgKpN)
We were way ahead of the times.
Posted by: Flag.gov and AttackWatch.com at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (DTX3h)
I do think it would be far easier to just pass some draconian privacy laws on Big Tech to hobble them rather than go after them on monopoly grounds, mainly because Republicans really are like the stereotype and worship at the altar of what rich CEOs tell them is "conservative"
Also regulate them like a utility on who gets access or who gets censored.
Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: AT&Sauron at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM
-... . / ... ..- .-. . / - --- / -.. .-. .. -. -.- / -.-- --- ..- .-. / --- ...- .- .-.. - .. -. . .-.-.-
Posted by: GTEleaks at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (zcM+Q)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)
Someone who is not funny.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (+ZMGe)
Tanned, rested, and Ready!
Posted by: Amy Schumer at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (9X624)
Posted by: Lizzy
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Hell, they even told us themselves: The U.S. of A can be completely undermined with $4,700 worth of advertising!
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (DuecJ)
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (DuecJ)
When Fannie/Freddie were bloating up the housing market, and selling their junk house loans as AAA, it was said that they had so much money that they bought up all the lobbyists, either to lobby for them of to "stand down". Franklin Raines (Gorelick was in on it) testified they were leveraged 25:1 (banks were 9:1) and that they were safe at 50:1.
Raines made millions in bonuses by floating out his junk into other subprime markets, and goosing his numbers ... before the collapse and massive bailouts .. for the bankers, not the losers that took out the loans.
Massive money to be made when these monopolies go to DC and get government to back them up. And then they buy all the lobbyists, a monopoly over the lobbying in DC ... is a BFD.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (Cus5s)
You may be wondering: "How the hell did that happen?".
McConnell not only didn't shrink the committee, he F'ing expanded it!
You can't make this stuff up.
Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM
Dude. We will have one, maybe two more SCOTUS nominations before 2020.
The last one was a ratings bonanza! Everything you could want! Action! RomCom! Pathos!
Here's a Pro Tip: You don't get those without players. Premium players. I'm expanding the ensemble.
Are you not entertained?
Posted by: McTurtle at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (ctuyM)
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LOL!
Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (G0vdT)
Damned skippy!!!
My apologies if this has been discussed previously. It's either go thru the thread or enjoy a beer.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (h8FRs)
The education bubble will not fully burst until trust fund kids are no longer bankrolled by their yuppie parents and have to fork out the bill for their education themselves. Or the parents expect results for their money. Thus the bubble keeps getting kicked down the road, and prices for college degrees keep escalating. 'Tis madness.
Come to think of it, I'm 99% sure that half of the apartments in NYC rented to millennials are being paid for by their parents. You will not get their generation to grow up until the elites among them have to pay their own bills.
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (DuecJ)
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Well sure, but only if you know how to deploy it.
Posted by: A Russian Bot at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (Gsi5v)
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (DuecJ)
Absolutely. He would never do it.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:15 PM (zcM+Q)
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018
******
Oh Hell yes!!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:15 PM (h8FRs)
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (d7Ww2)
I took a great Woopie this AM
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 05:15 PM (yWXpx)
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:15 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (Gsi5v)
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (DuecJ)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (bQtop)
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (PbpT7)
Regarding brainwashed socialist retards, I'd rather see the government(s) do their friggin jobs and get the education systems back in order. That's a much bigger problem than Google's search engine (which I've never used and I don't know why many people do use it when others are more than adequate) and is more the government's['] responsibility. Take all that wasted money away from funding idiots in college who have no business there and straighten out the K-12 public schools that are currently serving as perverted, socialist training grounds - and there is absolutely no exaggeration there.
That's what I want to see government do about the brainwashed socialist dipshits in this country, first. What they should have done decades ago. Where so much tax money is just wasted, and worse, used against our own country and society.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (oRu+u)
Maybe we should pimp you out as our Reverse Rubin--a life-long Leftist driven to the arms of the Orange Monster because your beloved Democrat Party has gone too far over the cliff.
A smart anti-military blogger gone #NeverSchumer!
Why not?--everybody else is playing games.
ps; I used to think of Mencken as a cynical polemicist. I now think of him as a clinical scientist reporting facts about our Gangsta Government.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (Ndje9)
Can we nominate Joss Whedon? Then all of the skeletons in his closet about how he treats girls at cons will HAVE to come out.
Who else can we nominate that, in exposing their past sins, would tank their chances but expose them for the creeps they are?
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:17 PM (hvf9s)
The education bubble will not fully burst until trust fund kids are no longer bankrolled by their yuppie parents and have to fork out the bill for their education themselves. Or the parents expect results for their money. Thus the bubble keeps getting kicked down the road, and prices for college degrees keep escalating. 'Tis madness.
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (hvf9s)
True, but it's a lot less likely than a debt explosion in the middle classes.
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:17 PM (qqEFK)
Posted by: m
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Damn. That could be the cast for a sequel to Hocus Pocus!
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:17 PM (DuecJ)
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See that black lezbo "comedian" Wanda Sykes looks like a go to host the Oscars. That'll bring 'em in!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:17 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (Gsi5v)
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Yep, and a complete and total asshole to go along with no talent.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:12
*******
I wonder. Does that include taxes?
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (h8FRs)
Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (snB0C)
Whoopie should host the Academy Awards!
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (d7Ww2)
Like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.
Posted by: Michael Visbull at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
Netflix. The Ranch. The Incredible Mrs. Maisel. Patriot. Narco: Mexico. Rake.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (ftdxp)
Blind squirrel finds a nut.
Posted by: Orson at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (zNz/a)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (oRu+u)
Which is why the government would never stop the process. Jerry Pournelle said the educational system was like one imposed by a hostile foreign power. I reply that the Soviets had a better run of education in Poland than Americans have had in decades.
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (qqEFK)
133 You know who else had Lupus? Jim Phelps of the IMF...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (/9p9e)
I thought he had Graves Disease.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (lwiT4)
I heard that he had nonconvertible debentures
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (ugwJg)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (h8FRs)
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Taxes? They didn't buy gift baskets.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (Gsi5v)
Guests included Beyonce, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.
I assume that the Kerrys and Clintons are just old family friends of the Piramals.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (PbpT7)
One. As in one year, not one generation. The student loan bubble is going to explode, and who knows what the hell will replace it. Why the Republicans don't neuter a major enemy by restricting loans to Gender Studies majors, I have no idea- oh wait, banks.
...
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (qqEFK)
No. The answer "one" applies only to how long it would take the current regime to collapse. I think that's way too optimistic, but leave that aside. It misses the point. That is mere destruction, not correction.
It's likely it will take several lifetimes to construct an education system remotely comparably to what we had a century ago.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (VaN/j)
Hear Hear!
Posted by: Eromero at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (zLDYs)
I assume that the Kerrys and Clintons are just old family friends of the Piramals.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (fuK7c)
Yes, Pedo Island has moved to the Bay of Bengal.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (37IEG)
The monopolies need to be broken up.
And Article 230 needs to be revised. It's the part of the law that protects the tech giants. It makes them 'platforms' rather than what they've become, 'publishers'. Google has literally argued that even the Civil Rights Act cannot apply to their online activities.
If they want Article 230 platform protection, then the law should state that they must behave like a platform. As it stands now, they receive that protection by default.
But, good luck with that when we have deliberately stupid Congress critters asking the Google CEO how much RAM they need to download to program their VCRs.
Posted by: The Ghost of Future Deplatformed People at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (9K7s5)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler
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Google new slogan: Call Evil Good and Good Evil.
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (DuecJ)
>>And much of Bell wanted to be broken up because they had tons of technology that they weren't allowed to market.
I'm pretty familiar with the place having worked there and all. There was no real move to break the company apart pre-divestiture. I'm not saying there weren't a few geeks at Bell Labs who didn't want to get rid of the bureaucracy but it was just a few guys talking, no real effort.
And post-divestiture demonstrated why. The place was a shit show that had absolutely no idea how to compete because they never really had to. That's the danger of monopolies, they never have to get any better after a certain point because they aren't really competing. They just own markets. and they get fat and lazy and invention is retarded.
I then spent many years working for startups that only happened because of the break up of Ma Bell on network based technologies including the internet for years and the difference was night and day. Innovations were happening on a monthly and sometimes weekly basis.
It doesn't matter how monopolies come to be, and don't kid yourself a ton of Googles growth is directly attributable to government contracts, what matters is once they exist are they an overall market good or bad. The answer is pretty clear. And Google is a monopoly.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (VaN/j)
I assume that the Kerrys and Clintons are just old family friends of the Piramals.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (fuK7c)
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If there's a hosted bar, Hillary will find it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (Gsi5v)
I see that being solved by Gen Z (bless their based selves, I am loving this generation.) More of them plan to self learn online and forgo the college trap altogether. Avoid the massive debt. Smart kiddos. But there will always be elite class yammering to get into Hahvahd and the other ivy league places. Those schools will never feel the pain. It will be the smaller colleges in flyover states that suffer, not those causing the majority of the problems by being the pioneers of leftist SJW thought.
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Hands
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In a towel... like an evil version of Paul Bellini.
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (DuecJ)
Count me as unsurprised.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (k1TUh)
Hear Hear!
Posted by: Eromero at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM
I said it's all you need, want, or should have.
Posted by: Jos. Biden at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:23 PM (zcM+Q)
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS
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I'll see if I can fix it for her!
Posted by: Debbie Washerwoman-Shits at December 12, 2018 05:24 PM (DuecJ)
Huma.
You're gobsmacked, I know. I was too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2018 05:24 PM (ctuyM)
Ma Bell didn't get to be a monopoly just because they had government contracts. They were a legislatively sanctioned monopoly and most of the anti-competitive stuff was due to that legislation (federal and state) that was created around Ma Bell.
The answer is pretty clear. And Google is a monopoly.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (/tuJf)
Still not.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (oRu+u)
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (VaN/j)
We need to find a way to get the idea to her. She'll say yes.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (+ZMGe)
Because it is, assuming that "liberal" is a euphemism for a combination of neo-feudalism and moonbattery.
You can tell that some congresscritters are on to what is actually happening at many of the tech giants, Google included. They're not directing abuses from the top down, they're simply looking the other way and trusting their nutty culture to get things done.
Alphabet in particular hires a bunch of shrill lunatics, giving them access to data and control over services, then deliberately refusing to monitor them or hold them accountable. This is EXACTLY where, for example, the steady stream of schizophrenic Youtube bans and censorings is coming from. There is a lot more plausable deniability there than centralized algo-based efforts like what Twitter and Reddit often engage in.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (eAshZ)
Posted by: Xipe Totec
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But her entrance would be STAGGERING!
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (DuecJ)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (bQtop)
Huma.
You're gobsmacked, I know. I was too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
I just threw up in my mouth. A lot.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (ftdxp)
301 Who hosts the Academy Awards?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)
Who own the Chiefs?
Owns
Who owns the Chiefs?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 12, 2018 05:26 PM (ugwJg)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:26 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at December 12, 2018 05:26 PM (sf1AO)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:23 PM (zcM+Q)
What no pant shitting?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 05:26 PM (4ErVI)
Huma.
You're gobsmacked, I know. I was too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at
Yes and she wore the same big blue mumu, no make-up, and greasy hair. She really looks like she smells bad.
Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (k1TUh)
A much more useful argument would be what to do about that. Given the equally certain truth that politicians are just as corrupt, and almost always less competent, where do we find an answer?
My own instinct is extreme subsidiarity, whenever possible. But I know that it's far from perfect, and often unobtainable.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (VaN/j)
Your google money, sir?
Thank you.
Posted by: The Morning Dolt at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (76Nxz)
Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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We could all form a caravan and head there to demand our free Oscar statuettes!
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (DuecJ)
Doesn t really work for tv. No odor.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (zcM+Q)
I see that being solved by Gen Z (bless their based selves, I am loving this generation.) More of them plan to self learn online and forgo the college trap altogether. Avoid the massive debt. Smart kiddos. But there will always be elite class yammering to get into Hahvahd and the other ivy league places. Those schools will never feel the pain. It will be the smaller colleges in flyover states that suffer, not those causing the majority of the problems by being the pioneers of leftist SJW thought.
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (hvf9s)
Hah, I agree. They still don't deserce to be shackled to the absymal K-12, but something tells me they'll sort that out too.
As for elite credentials: that, I do not worry about. University level debating is more of a minstrel show than actual accomplishment, and convergence always kills the companies that indulge in them. When student loans become inaccessible to arts students, the social value of a trust fund education will plummet. Dramatically.
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (qqEFK)
I assume that the Kerrys and Clintons are just old family friends of the Piramals.
FWIW, rumor has it Hillz was paid to be there.
Regardless, I'm sure it's a transactional relationship.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (k1TUh)
Posted by: Ace of Spades
To ask the question is to answer it.
Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (ftdxp)
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46538126
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:29 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM)
Ben Shapiro. With FACTS and LOGIC.
Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:29 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (k1TUh)
While I sympathize (read my previous comments) I have a problem with this. Not that it's false, but that it is true for all human endeavor. Including the act of getting rid of them. So we're left with nothing, if we leave it at that.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:29 PM (VaN/j)
And all those fields serve their data-mining operation, and they show an ideological bias that they are willing to leverage using that dominance. Break them the fuck up.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 12, 2018 05:30 PM (oVJmc)
We're conservative, and Ace is influential, and besides, Google has enough money to fund a real, honest to Gawd, all expenses paid National MoMe.
This is a deal just waiting to be made, Ace.
And during the MoMe, the 'rons and 'ettes can have a contest to write the biggest slams on Google, so Ace doesn't have to work and can just post the winners.
I don't see a downside here.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (VaN/j)
How do you figure? Older, useful methods of education are still available, and can be picked up very quickly. Software makes teaching and feedback very fast, even when the majority of teachers are terminated.
Why should rebuilding take inordinate amounts of time or money?
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (qqEFK)
Regardless, I'm sure it's a transactional relationship.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM
So she didn't go to curry, but rather for curry.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (ctuyM)
Cheaper to just kill me, I guess.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (mfOi4)
Posted by: Regular joe channeling Paul Rino at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (7PllL)
True, but - if you have multiple paths, multiple companies, multiple solutions for the problems, then it is extremely unlikely they will all go bad at once. Redundancy, or as Wretchard has written, Design Margin. That's where the safety margin comes from.
When all of a societies eggs are in one basket, and that basket falls, that society is over. No recourse. Venezuela is experiencing that today.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:32 PM (k1TUh)
Regardless, I'm sure it's a transactional relationship.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM
So she didn't go to curry, but rather for curry.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (ctuyM)
I wonder how the photo got out.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:33 PM (+ZMGe)
...until you're no longer useful, that its.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:33 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Regular joe channeling Paul Rino at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (7PllL)
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There is. Score a gig as a paycheck Conservative and your job is safe no matter which way politics goes.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 05:33 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:34 PM (PUmDY)
396 Hang on to your hats! It looks like the Russkis lied!
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46538126
i'm thinking these two are related
Posted by: Anachronda at December 12, 2018 05:34 PM (NmR1a)
Because first you have to kill all of the people and organizations who's existence depends on keeping everything exactly the way it is.
Reform is far, far more difficult that building it right from scratch. Reformers may know the right thing to do, but they will be fought, and fought hard, every step of the way.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (oRu+u)"
Google has subsumed a number of industries through the model of contract/lease external data, build internal project to replicate it with streamlined collection and collation, then launch something to compete with their former partners, driving them into the ground by integrating it into their other products and services.
That wouldn't really bother me all that much, except they virtually always then fail to maintain their new toy because it's managed by a bunch of hipsters, and even before it starts failing it invariably becomes weaponized for political purposes.
An industrial age comparison would be if a single automaker-plus-oil company rendered horse transport obsolete. Then as soon as horses and horse infrastructure was no longer commonly available, all of their new production cars went to shit, spare parts dried up, and mismanagement lead to oil and gasoline shortages all over. During which, company employees took the opportunity on their own to make sure political opponents got lemons, no parts, and no oil/gas purely because they could get away with it.
That's happening now in a lot of ways not immediately evident to the public. At some point we're due something along the lines of nailing the 95 theses to the door in regards to all this bullshit, assuming something really awful doesn't happen first.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 12, 2018 05:35 PM (eAshZ)
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 12, 2018 05:36 PM (eAshZ)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:36 PM (miE9U)
Posted by: Surfperch at December 12, 2018 05:36 PM (tYPH9)
after the last election, I've decided to cheer for the idea of something really awful happening.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:37 PM (k1TUh)
"and here is your new host for the Academy Awards... Joooooonah GOLDberg!!"
*scattered claps, a cough*
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 05:38 PM (HofIn)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (ctuyM)
I wonder how the photo got out.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:33 PM (+ZMGe)
I hate to think what she smells like.
Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 12, 2018 05:38 PM (aCNZ6)
Let's say I agree that Google will become so thuggish in its censorship and INTERFERENCE WITH US ELECTIONS (just like RUSSIA!) that a competitor will eventually rise and become its equal.
What is the time scale we're talking about? 10 years? 20 years? NEVER?! (Some monopolies are too powerful and remain in place forever.)
Should we just wait for the magic of the self-correcting market for 20 or 30 years while we're censored, surveilled, and manipulated politically? After 30 years of Google stacking the deck for Democrats, what exactly would be left of America to conserve?
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (PbpT7)
Or, to sum it up more succinctly, "In the long run we're all dead."
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 12, 2018 05:39 PM (wCmLp)
https://bit.ly/2zYyBav
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:39 PM (+y/Ru)
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Plus, you're not going to get the necessary will needed to break them up until a company or organization becomes a problem. For instance, Amazon is probably on the verge of achieving monopoly status in the book-selling industry (their only major competitor that I'm aware of right now is Barnes and Noble, and that company appears to be on the financial brink right now). But while Jeff Bezos certainly has certain political views that he makes known, to date those views don't appear to have corrupted Amazon's primary business of selling books. For instance, I don't have to worry that Amazon will stop carrying books by Larry Correia. So nothing's likely to happen to Amazon any time soon.
Posted by: junior at December 12, 2018 05:39 PM (Fp6vo)
after the last election, I've decided to cheer for the idea of something really awful happening.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:37 PM (k1TUh)
I think that's inevitable now.
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2018 05:40 PM (xjiRE)
Posted by: Faux Conservative at December 12, 2018 05:40 PM (Tyii7)
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Posted by: GooMazonCIA HQ at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (DuAZ5)
So, I'm not a nobody! I'm a somebody!
Posted by: AoS readers and posters at December 12, 2018 05:40 PM (UsCnO)
I looked for the article that I read this from so I could link it but like a moron, can't find it now.
Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:41 PM (G+Wff)
How do WE get some of that sweet Google money?
We're
conservative, and Ace is influential, and besides, Google has enough
money to fund a real, honest to Gawd, all expenses paid National MoMe.
This is a deal just waiting to be made, Ace.
And
during the MoMe, the 'rons and 'ettes can have a contest to write the
biggest slams on Google, so Ace doesn't have to work and can just post
the winners.
I don't see a downside here.
I've been after Ace for years to turn this place into a think tank so we could secure some of that sweet moolah. That way, we can keep on doing what we're doing and get paid rather handsomely too.
Win/win FTW!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:41 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (VaN/j)
How do you figure? Older, useful methods of education are still available, and can be picked up very quickly. Software makes teaching and feedback very fast, even when the majority of teachers are terminated.
Why should rebuilding take inordinate amounts of time or money?
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (qqEFK)
Because the inheritance is no made up of parts labeled "good" and "bad". And besides, it was a compound of different goals which had evolved into an imperfect but viable mix. Really, it was already having problems by a century ago. The "credential for work" was already in place, and in some ways and in some areas was there for centuries. But the whole edifice was never meant for that, and never really adapted to the distinction between Arts and Sciences. (And note that, in the old scheme, "Arts" meant things like Engineering.)
Further, the role of eduction in today's society isn't what it was in 1900. It's not clear there's anything like a consensus, outside those it now favors, of what it should be. There is an obvious split on the right between those who think the liberal arts are the key, and must be rescued, and those who want to write them off and concentrate on STEM only.
When you tear something down, you just can't put it back together in the form it once held. (Burke's point.)
Not that I don't think we'd be better off without the abomination we have now.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:41 PM (VaN/j)
Posted by: Captain Navin Kristol at December 12, 2018 05:42 PM (Tyii7)
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I don't think that's going to hold up on appeal. I'm pretty sure that the US Supreme Court has expressly ruled in a way that supports the arguments of Peterson's lawyer.
Posted by: junior at December 12, 2018 05:43 PM (Fp6vo)
I looked for the article that I read this from so I could link it but like a moron, can't find it now.
Check your web browser's history. If you looked at it, it should be there.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:44 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:45 PM (786Ro)
hey, I totally didn't go to THAT site. I must have been hacked.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 05:45 PM (HofIn)
Because first you have to kill all of the people and organizations who's existence depends on keeping everything exactly the way it is.
Reform is far, far more difficult that building it right from scratch. Reformers may know the right thing to do, but they will be fought, and fought hard, every step of the way.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh)
Yes. Plus many of their reforms will be mistakes, too. We are human. Failure is baked in.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:46 PM (VaN/j)
Most problems with anti-competitive issues stem from the government - mostly our courts. To use that same government (and courts) to be even more anti-competitive is just a race to the bottom.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:46 PM (oRu+u)
David Pecker of Nat'l Enquirer takes immunity to testify that he paid off McDougal to silence her during the campaign.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 12, 2018 05:46 PM (qUh6B)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:46 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Burger Chef at December 12, 2018 05:47 PM (RuIsu)
hey, I totally didn't go to THAT site. I must have been hacked.
Suuuurre you didn't...
- XXOO Bob from NSA
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:47 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 12, 2018 05:48 PM (z2W2E)
I did and still can't find it. Did I mention that I'm a moron?
Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:48 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: Otto Zilch at December 12, 2018 05:48 PM (Liq26)
It's called levering your core competencies with your stakeholders to maximize your collective synergies.
Posted by: Fritz at December 12, 2018 05:49 PM (Z9C5C)
I did and still can't find it. Did I mention that I'm a moron?
Yes. Yes, you did. And if your nic is accurate, shouldn't you be a Moronette?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:49 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:50 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: Skip at December 12, 2018 05:51 PM (/rm4P)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:52 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:52 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 12, 2018 05:52 PM (qUh6B)
Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:45 PM (786Ro)
It is . . . odd.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:52 PM (+ZMGe)
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (lwiT4)
The very first #1 hit of the 1970s was "Raindrops Keep Falling' On My Head."
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (miE9U)
Posted by: Otto Zilch
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That perspective was forfeit when Google accepted (government) protection from the statutes which constrain publishers.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (w54mS)
Posted by: Gomer Pyle at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (rznWS)
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I don't think that's going to hold up on appeal. I'm pretty sure that the US Supreme Court has expressly ruled in a way that supports the arguments of Peterson's lawyer.
Posted by: junior
I don't have my copy of Dial 911 & Die, so I'm not sure if Florida has a duty to protect.
Will try to find it tomorrow.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (ftdxp)
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (DuecJ)
He'll just keeping shouting "Fcuk Trump!!" until everyone at the Dolby Theater orgasms themselves to death.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:54 PM (miE9U)
Bandersnatch, I loved that goalie in Slap Shot.
His "You feel shame" assertion about sitting in the penalty box cracks me up every time I see it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 12, 2018 05:54 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh)
Agreed 100%, but that tends to support my theory of burn it all and build on the ashes. Education reform has been talked about since before I was born. It never works, and never will.
Yes, having a patchwork education system with different regional goals and priorities is hardly conducive to social and national unity, but the American nation is in no way united now. Some people will concentrate on STEM: some will try to recover the classical liberal arts. Still others will prioritize burning insane degeneracy out of the system, and that is arguably the larger priority.
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:54 PM (qqEFK)
"Still not.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (oRu+u)"
has subsumed a number of industries through the model of contract/lease
external data, build internal project to replicate it with streamlined
collection and collation, then launch something to compete with their
former partners, driving them into the ground by integrating it into
their other products and services.
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Amazon, the other Monopolist, does the same thing with physical goods. All the time.
How does this work? It is ingenious and insidious at the same time.
1. Small Upstart Company invents and builds their new "widget".
2. Instead of building their own e-commerce website and their own warehouse to store and ship the widget, they instead utilize Amazon Merchant Services, where they ship their product to Amazon to store and ship it. It gets its own page on Amazon, and looks like any other product.
It costs SUC somewhere around 25% to 30% of the sales price, but Small Upstart Company is selling immediately, does not have to worry about fulfillment, and the Small Upstart Company saves the initial costs of funding their own warehouse and employees.
3. Amazon has incredible statistics on every part of the sale and fulfillment. They spot any new product that is selling well and is on an uptrend. After more analysis, they turn the information to another division, who then COPIES THE PRODUCT AND starts selling it. It is changed just enough to get around patent laws. They are getting real good at doing this.
4. Now Amazon has used the sales information to create a copy cat product and is legally selling against you, using your own sales data they track against Small Upstart Company.
Next time you see an Amazon box, notice the smile!
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 12, 2018 05:55 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: tu3031 at December 12, 2018 05:56 PM (sf1AO)
gramme, Bob DeNiro will host the Oscars.
He'll just keeping shouting "Fcuk Trump!!" until everyone at the Dolby Theater orgasms themselves to death.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:54 PM (miE9U)
This could be useful. qdpsteve, you are on to something!
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 12, 2018 05:57 PM (UsCnO)
And you sit in the box. Two minutes. And you feel shame.
I use that in all sorts of inappropriate life situations whether it fits or not.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:57 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:58 PM (miE9U)
Posted by: DaveA at December 12, 2018 06:00 PM (FhXTo)
Completely OT, but my local supermarket just opened a bar in the store.
Now I can sit in comfort and enjoy a brew while Mrs D shops and not hide out in my car.
Damn I love 'Murica!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (h8FRs)
Diogenes, which store? That sounds interesting.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 12, 2018 06:01 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: DaveA at December 12, 2018 06:03 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: DaveM at December 12, 2018 06:39 PM (WWC3Y)
When Google does get broken up, the Prager U lawsuit against Youtube will be a key part of the fed's argument.
Posted by: Brisco_County_Sr at December 12, 2018 10:41 PM (k6NDF)
-Ace of Spades
You are thick, but slowly the lights are coming on. This all ends in tears. Well, blood and tears.
Posted by: DFCtomm at December 14, 2018 03:35 PM (50gG9)
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