Shocker: Google Funding "Conservatives" Who Then Write Articles Defending Google, Which Are Then Cited by Google as Arguments Not to Regulate Google or Treat It as a Monopoly

Muh Private Googles Monopoly.



All your suspicions are true.

At Wired:

LEAKED AUDIO REVEALS GOOGLE'S EFFORTS TO WOO CONSERVATIVES

In February, The New York Times Magazine published a cover story urging regulators to break up Google because the company abuses its dominance in search to crush promising competitors. The next day, representatives from two conservative think tanks published blog posts defending Google and attacking the article's call for antitrust enforcement. Both think tanks have received funding from Google. Both blog posts referenced studies by a professor who has received funding from Google. In one post, the study referenced was published in a quarterly journal owned by third think tank, which has also received funding from Google.

In a company-wide meeting a couple of weeks later, on March 1, Google's public policy team described the blog posts as the fruit of Google's efforts to build deeper relationships with conservatives, according to an audio recording of the meeting reviewed by WIRED. The recording of a contentious hour-long meeting offers a window into how Google thinks about its relationships in Washington, DC, its sensitivity to claims of political bias, and how executives explain to employees actions that some view as at odds with Google's values.

The meeting was led by Google's US director of public policy, Adam Kovacevich, who explained that the company had to adjust its government-relations strategy after Donald Trump was elected, particularly since Republicans also control the House and Senate. "I think one of the directives we've gotten very clearly from Sundar [Pichai, Google's CEO], his leadership is to build deeper relationships with conservatives," Kovacevich said. "I think we've recognized that the company is generally seen as liberal by policymakers."

...

The company wide-meeting, portions of which were previously reported by The Wall Street Journal, occurred shortly after Google was among the sponsors of the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), where speakers included white nationalists and conspiracy theorists. At the conference, Google held an invite-only reception, which Kovacevich said "built a lot of good will" among conservatives, and "tangible outcome[s]" like the two blog posts defending Google.


"Just to give you an example, last weekend The New York Times Magazine cover story was all about breaking up Google," Kovacevich said. “Among the people who wrote op-eds and blog posts rebutting that Times piece were two conservative think-tank officials who we work with closely--one from the American Enterprise Institute and one from the Competitive Enterprise Institute, who both attended [the reception]."

He explained that the "crush phase" of the public's attitude towards Monster Tech was over, and that people might start talking about enforcing the actual law that is on the books regarding monopolies, which is what Google undeniably is -- in case you didn't know, antitrust law does not apply only to true monopolies, where there is literally not a single competitor, but to near-monopolies, where the company has 85% or more dominance.

Google's market share of the search industry? 90%.

If "conservatives" want to change antitrust law, then they should change antitrust law.

But they must not be permitted to pretend it doesn't exist and simply argue for nonenforcement of the law, as Obama did with DACA.

Are we a nation of laws or a nation of corporate interests who pay "conservatives" a lot of money to see those interests advanced, largely behind the scenes?

Funny how these TruCons are so very selective about what Eternal Conservative Principles they are actually willing to defend.

James Pethokoukis, author of the AEI post, told WIRED he hasn't been at CPAC in years and denied being influenced by anyone at AEI about what to write. CEI says it "consistently" opposes enforcement of on-the-books antitrust law.

AEI itself did not respond, nor did the scholar whose "studies" Google quoted in support of itself.

Maybe we can ask Jonah Goldberg to give them a ring-a-ding. He sits in AEI's "Asnet Chair for the Promotion of Conservative Conservation Concerns" or whatever. Maybe the Asnet Chair for Freedom, Eagles, Liberty and Freedom.

Kovacevich also spoke about Google's efforts to "water down" two bills Google opposed which would make Tech Monsters liable for lawsuit in sex-trafficking and child porn cases in which their services had been used to conduct the business, SESTA and FOSTA.

He spoke very highly of Representative Bob Goodlatte:

He said negotiations over the bill showed how Google sometimes works with people who do not "align 100 percent with our views." He pointed to Representative Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia), whom he called "one of our most helpful champions" on protecting internet companies.

Aw, Monster Tech really needs your help being protected from lawsuits that no one else in the country is protected from, Bobby.

Thank you for your service. Whoever it is you actually serve.

More on this subject later today.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 04:42 PM




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Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 12, 2018 03:27 PM (Wj6hd)

2 Ace throws us a curveball, goes Google over May Vote.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 12, 2018 03:27 PM (ycWCI)

3 this is the same type of CJ that occurred with the Steele dossier. Someone leaked the dossier, and then that manufactured document was used to justify a FISA warrant.

Posted by: kallisto at December 12, 2018 03:27 PM (kD8Fh)

4 Google is a shithole.

Posted by: Dirty Harry at December 12, 2018 03:28 PM (F4u7C)

5 But they're not biased, you guys.

They told us. In front of Congress.

Posted by: Dirty Harry at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (F4u7C)

6 Ace throws us a curveball, goes Google over May Vote.
Posted by: Aetius451AD


Probably no new word yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (ftdxp)

7 "Conservative" is now a meaningless label, applied equally to traitors and limousine socialists -- but never to actual conservatives.

Posted by: zombie at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (c+2jX)

8 I have returned to be first - from my victory tour of France and Germany

Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (37IEG)

9 Where the money comes from explains a lot of things.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (BXMxN)

10 Damn Sock.

Posted by: Sponge at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (F4u7C)

11 As always, GOOLAG : Do Evil.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:30 PM (UnA8+)

12
Probably no new word yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (ftdxp)
Because she may, and she may not.
Oh come on, SOMEONE was bound to use that pun.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:30 PM (37IEG)

13 "Funny how these TruCons are so very selective about what Eternal Conservative Principles they are actually willing to defend."


Their principles are in their pockets and have always been there.

What I love most about the Trump era is all of the masks being removed.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (hLRSq)

14 2 Ace throws us a curveball, goes Google over May Vote.
Posted by: Aetius451AD /i]

Sigh. Just saw a tweet saying that they won't even annnounce the reults for another hour.

Posted by: zombie at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (c+2jX)

15 6 Ace throws us a curveball, goes Google over May Vote.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Probably no new word yet.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 03:29 PM (ftdxp)

Ace hasn't indicated that he's following the May vote at all.

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (+ZMGe)

16 if I recall, Google and Amazon hire former Democrat press secretaries and other dirty tricksters. So I'm not surprised. Hope there's some fallout here.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (xJa6I)

17 What I find amazing is that they were created in America, by Americans... but now have values of other societies as their guidelines.

Yet still want to influence us, AND, do business here.

I believe that the Right should take on, as a Cause, the Bill of Rights, because those rights are under assault across the globe... including here in the US.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (NgKpN)

18 -- but never to actual conservatives.

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Yeah.... but when a group gets called "alt-right" or "white nationalist"..... Im betting them is the actual conservatives.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (8XRCm)

19 NOW I see why they have that app for blasphemy.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (nEOLy)

20 First I was:

Kovacevich also spoke about Google's efforts to "water down" two bills Google opposed which would make Tech Monsters liable for lawsuit in sex-trafficking and child porn cases in which their services had been used to conduct the business,

then I was like:
He pointed to Representative Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia), whom he called "one of our most helpful champions" on protecting internet companies.


do we need to connect these dots, perchance?

Posted by: kallisto at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (kD8Fh)

21 I would really like to believe that if Google showed up with $15,000 I wouldn't write what they told me to. But I mean, nobody has ever offered, so how do I know? It's like Bill Burr's bit on Tiger Woods. He talked about how he goes golfing, but when he leaves the 18th hole, twenty supermodels don't leap on him tearing their panties off. Would he be the better man and say "no, my dears, I have to go home to my wife?"

I want to believe I'd do the right thing under temptation but past experience has taught me that I don't always.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (39g3+)

22 If "conservatives" want to change antitrust law, then they should change antitrust law.

-

In principle, antitrust laws seem like some of the least offensive uses of government coercion in the free market to me.

Antitrust law reform isn't exactly high on my list of legislative priorities as a conservative.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (KUaJL)

23 Abolish Google.

Also somebody open an In N Out in Alabama already.

Posted by: Someguy at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (h5Df3)

24 "The next day, representatives from two conservative think tanks published blog posts defending Google and attacking the article's call for antitrust enforcement. Both think tanks have received funding from Google. Both blog posts referenced studies by a professor who has received funding from Google. In one post, the study referenced was published in a quarterly journal owned by third think tank, which has also received funding from Google."

The same exact tactics are prevalent in the Warmerist bs. Grants determine results in the sad world of equal outcomes for all. It's a shame how little it takes to own a political actor/scientist.

Posted by: The Invisible Hand at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (YpRda)

25 Break up Google.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (xJa6I)

26 Willowed:

Blow me.
Posted by: Linebaugh .500 at December 12, 2018 03:25 PM


Meh.

Posted by: The Thunder by Triple Action, in .50 BMG at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (ctuyM)

27
The 'conservative' label is sorta like the way a Supreme Court Justice described pornography -- he wasn't sure how to verbalize it but he sure knew it when he saw it.

I don't see too many actual conservatives left in this country. Just bought and paid for pretenders.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (jYje5)

28 "the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), where speakers included white nationalists and conspiracy theorists"
Who knew?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (CQ3Qb)

29 20 do we need to connect these dots, perchance?
Posted by: kallisto at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (kD8Fh)

Less a can of worms, more a can of anacondas.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (UnA8+)

30 I don't know, sounds like a campaign finance violation. also probably violates FARA too. impeach!

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (7J5t2)

31 "Result of secret ballot expected soon."

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (+ZMGe)

32 Don't be evil. Except for us, we can be as evil as we want. MWAHAHAHahahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Google, stroking a white cat at December 12, 2018 03:33 PM (RD7QR)

33
I want to believe I'd do the right thing under temptation but past experience has taught me that I don't always.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:32 PM (39g3+)


Total depravity of man. We haz it.

Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (lwiT4)

34 "Thank you for your service. Whoever it is you actually serve."



That is Mammon, my good sir. Mammon. I find that gentleman's checks always clear.

Posted by: Harvey Cuckleberg, TruCon and Free Market Purist at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (hLRSq)

35 From Google's point of view, this just makes good business sense: buy good publicity and try to lobby congress into not harming your bottom line (and throw money at them as well). I mean its unethical and corrupt, but that's business for you, without any ethical basis. Do no evil, my ass.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (39g3+)

36 Watch out, word is that the vote was to give Zombie the banhammer.

No one is safe....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (xJa6I)

37 19 NOW I see why they have that app for blasphemy.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 12, 2018 03:31 PM (nEOLy)

Yeah.... I can't see how any US company could publish a Blasphemy Ap...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (NgKpN)

38
James Pethokoukis, author of the AEI post

One of those New York City conservatives and buddy of John Batchelor.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (aKsyK)

39 Google is not biased one way or the other.....

Posted by: This is CNN. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (0OmEj)

40 34 That is Mammon, my good sir. Mammon. I find that gentleman's checks always clear.
Posted by: Harvey Cuckleberg, TruCon and Free Market Purist at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (hLRSq)

I'm sorry. I thought you said "Moloch".

Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (UnA8+)

41 "building goodwill" with phatstaxxx o' cash! that certainly helps.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (HofIn)

42 Is that Ben Shapiro in the MAGA hat texting?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (r9UYA)

43 Ace,

Again with the Eagles... Sauron would have roasted them.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (FTPVM)

44 they are who we thought they were. big effin deal. wake me up when they deport that fucker back to his homeland. wherever it is.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (KP5rU)

45 When conservative think tanks take donor money to shill for causes you agree with thats american capitalism in action! When they take money to shill for causes you disagree with thats an abomination. You get angry because you can't control who the whore takes money from!

Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)

46 "We've been told it won't be reported until 9:00."

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (+ZMGe)

47 42 Is that Ben Shapiro in the MAGA hat texting?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (r9UYA)

Too tall.
Too tanned, rested and ready

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (xJa6I)

48
In before the GOP is a useless pile of dogshit.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (TAmPV)

49 I think at least half my life was guided , at least to some small degree, by these big business "conservative" dolts.

Trust-busting is bad. Corporations are good!
Monopolies are just super super successful little guys! Like you and me!
"Let the Market decide"


Damn, I'm stupid.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (LL1Be)

50 AEI Baaled out Google?

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (FTPVM)

51 I'm not as bothered by this story as others involving conservative collusion. Conservatives have been very skeptical of antitrust law for a long time, I think, since Robert Bork at least. I don't have strong feelings one way or another on the merits, but has anyone from these two think tanks ever had a pro-antitrust take?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (Wj6hd)

52 48
In before the GOP is a useless pile of dogshit.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (TAmPV)

In before "We're not voting our way out of this".

Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (UnA8+)

53 I never see these mainstream publications noting Leftist meetings whose speakers included anti-semites and self-described communists.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (CQ3Qb)

54 Hoo boy, we were more subtle with the T-54s.

Posted by: Boris Badanov at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (nEOLy)

55 Witness the power of this fully-operational Banana Republic!

Posted by: Google at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (uGHnY)

56 You get angry because you can't control who the whore takes money from!

Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)


I get angry because they pretend not to be a whore at all.

Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (lwiT4)

57 One of those New York City conservatives and buddy of John Batchelor.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (aKsyK)

I like John Batchelor

Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (NFEMn)

58 Again with the Eagles... Sauron would have roasted them.
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (FTPVM)

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Oh Cmon. Hotel California is way overrated and Take it Easy is a bit pretentious.... but they are in the Top Five American Rock N Roll Bands of All Time.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (8XRCm)

59 I wonder if Google out spent Soros paying off Paul Ryan?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (r9UYA)

60 56 I get angry because they pretend not to be a whore at all.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (lwiT4)

Don't feed the troll.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (UnA8+)

61 Google should be burned to hell.

Posted by: Sponge at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (F4u7C)

62 "Ballot being counted by senior 1922 committee officials."

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (+ZMGe)

63 45 When conservative think tanks take donor money to shill for causes you agree with thats american capitalism in action! When they take money to shill for causes you disagree with thats an abomination. You get angry because you can't control who the whore takes money from!
Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)

No, we get angry because we thought that whore only swung one way...

and don't like the fact they swing both, depending on who pays more.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (NgKpN)

64 If anyone here knows whoring, its ramondo.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (BJHTa)

65 Again with the Eagles... Sauron would have roasted them.
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (FTPVM)

one of these nights.....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (NFEMn)

66 Wooly Mammon

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (aKsyK)

67 Why are the supermodel golf groupies wearing panties in the first place ? That's just piss poor planning.

Posted by: Del Wilkes at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (BBhgz)

68 51
I'm not as bothered by this story as others involving conservative
collusion. Conservatives have been very skeptical of antitrust law for a
long time, I think, since Robert Bork at least. I don't have strong
feelings one way or another on the merits, but has anyone from these two
think tanks ever had a pro-antitrust take?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (Wj6hd)

It's time to unleash those anti-trust laws. Many of us conservatives have been warning of tech monopolies for over 10 years.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (CQ3Qb)

69 I'm not as bothered by this story as others involving conservative collusion. Conservatives have been very skeptical of antitrust law for a long time, I think, since Robert Bork at least. I don't have strong feelings one way or another on the merits, but has anyone from these two think tanks ever had a pro-antitrust take?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls


If they noted that they had taken funds from Google, then yes, they would be seen as being professional and consistent.

Was this the case?

Posted by: Boris Badanov at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (nEOLy)

70 56
You get angry because you can't control who the whore takes money from!



Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)
No sweetie, we get angry because the whore takes the money and buys the Chiefs of Police, the Mayors and the Governor.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (37IEG)

71 Don't feed the troll.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (UnA8+)


He looked like he needed a Whataburger.

Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (lwiT4)

72 So for how long has tautological journalism been a thing?

Writer 1 on the take: "X is true."

Writer 2 on the take: "X is true because Writer 1 said X is true."

Corporate or government "scientist" on the take: "X is true because look how many people agree."

Posted by: ... at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (6SeiN)

73 If anyone here knows whoring, its ramondo.
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Really? Fuck you!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (vg8iE)

74 56 You get angry because you can't control who the whore takes money from!

Posted by: ramondo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (4STkk)


I get angry because they pretend not to be a whore at all.

Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (lwiT4)

When did we start talking about Hollywood celebs?

Posted by: Someguy at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (h5Df3)

75

Google can suck my hairy splooge sack.

Posted by: M K Ultra at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (NWIbW)

76 newsflash! there is no such thing as a "conservative" anymore. all bullshit for the unwashed to part with their money.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (KP5rU)

77

Funny how these TruCons are so very selective about what Eternal Conservative Principles they are actually willing to defend.


"I have principles. If you don't like them, I have others..."
- Groucho Marx, who was way ahead of his time.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (HaL55)

78
Posted by: ramondo

Can't quite make out the words with Mueller's dick in your mouth.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LL1Be)

79 Fuck Google. Too big too much power too much evil.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (0OmEj)

80 Google owns Goodlatte? That's a shock.


I thought Amazon owned Goodlatte.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)

81 Oh I think there's some basis for reexamining anti-trust laws, since they are kind of unevenly applied. But I agree, its a pretty low priority to me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (39g3+)

82 Result due in 20 minutes
The votes are being counted by three officers of the 1922 committee and then there will be some sort of independent verification before the final tally is announced.

The result is due at 21:00 GMT.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (+ZMGe)

83 Google could pay for a lot of cruises, lemmetellya.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (oVJmc)

84 Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:36 PM (lwiT4)

When did we start talking about Hollywood celebs?


Posted by: Someguy at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (h5Df3)
Now now, they're not your average whores, they do it for the money!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (37IEG)

85 Oh Cmon. Hotel California is way overrated and Take it Easy is a bit pretentious.... but they are in the Top Five American Rock N Roll Bands of All Time.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (8XRCm)

The sheer scale of The Eagles success always mystified me.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (NFEMn)

86 I mean, we all understand how Google has to make certain that conservatives are deplatformed, shadowbanned, have search results not show their work and so on. Because this is the free market in action, and if we write things that glorify our new paymaster those bad things will not befall us. So we join with Sauron - Google.

Really, it is the only choice

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (hLRSq)

87 That Emerald Robinson can tweet me anytime!! Yowza!

Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (2sCft)

88 Big business is "naturally conservative" the same way that Hispanic immigrants are.

It's a convenient fiction that gets told often enough that people believe it, but it hasn't been true for a long time. The top valued companies now are Amazon, Apple, Google, Facebook, and Samsung. One of those isn't even based in the US, and the other 4 are undeniably pro-leftist agendas.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (KUaJL)

89 It makes me weary, there sure are a lot of effing sell outs in D.C..

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (jUVms)

90 73 If anyone here knows whoring, its ramondo.
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Really? Fuck you!
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (vg8iE)

That's not funny

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (xJa6I)

91 He said negotiations over the bill showed how Google sometimes works with people who do not "align 100 percent with our views."

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Wow. You "sometimes" work with people who do not "align 100 percent with our views."

Now how would we ever get the idea that your privacy-destroying, commie-enabling, monopolistic, libtard cesspool of a company leans left?

Posted by: Hooray for Boobies at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (SOgjZ)

92 Any way I can partake of Google's largesse? Be aware that I would be a willing and enthusiastic participant in your program! Thanks in advance!

Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (sf1AO)

93 The votes are being counted by three officers of the 1922 committee
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So it's Coolidge?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (NFEMn)

94 Every organization and business in this country is a goddamned racket of one sort or another. (except AoSHQ)

Posted by: Gref at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (2Q/17)

95 It's like theres a, a, group, that's like, a Journolist thing, and they all talk to each other behind the scenes and control shit!

But that's silly!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (37IEG)

96 No, we get angry because we thought that whore only swung one way...

and don't like the fact they swing both, depending on who pays more.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:38 PM (NgKpN)


It's really like a weathervane in a tornado.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (hLRSq)

97 81 Oh I think there's some basis for reexamining anti-trust laws, since they are kind of unevenly applied. But I agree, its a pretty low priority to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (39g3+)

What would you say if I gave you $15,000 to raise your priority?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (xJa6I)

98 Oh Cmon. Hotel California is way overrated and Take it Easy is a bit pretentious.... but they are in the Top Five American Rock N Roll Bands of All Time.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:37 PM (8XRCm)

The sheer scale of The Eagles success always mystified me.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (NFEMn)

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Lemme guess.

Youre in the 18-37 year old demographic???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (8XRCm)

99 The sheer scale of The Eagles success always mystified me.
Posted by: JoeF.

Drugs are a Helluva drug.

Posted by: The 70's at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (nEOLy)

100
Google could pay for a lot of cruises, lemmetellya.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles


The Kristol ship is being filled
A thousand girls, a thousand thrills
A million ways to spend your time
When we get back, I'll drop a line

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (aKsyK)

101 93 The votes are being counted by three officers of the 1922 committee
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So it's Coolidge?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (NFEMn)

It's Lupus

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (xJa6I)

102 In principle, antitrust laws seem like some of the least offensive uses of government coercion in the free market to me.

Antitrust law reform isn't exactly high on my list of legislative priorities as a conservative.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously


Under a stone cold review of the laws, it's as anti-conservative as it gets. Remember this whole shit take about 'FREE TRADE' over the past 2 years from the NeverTrumpers?

The government should not have a thing to say about any company doing anything outside of fraud, crime, active aid to enemies*, or the abetting of such.

The GOPe has been a complete fraud in motion for the past 105 years.

* which I consider gurgle engaged in right now

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ZejZP)

103 aww come on, when celebs go yachting on the Persian gulf with wealthy young Emiratis, it's just because of the high culture and respect for women for which Abu Dhabi has been known for centuries.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (HofIn)

104 17 What I find amazing is that they were created in America, by Americans... but now have values of other societies as their guidelines.

Posted by: Don Q.

sometimes that happens when you are born Russian. see Max Boot. Americanism isn't really in the cards for them.

Posted by: x at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (nFwvY)

105 parliament of whores

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (Rarvo)

106 Past 100. OT

Go California, go!

State regulators proposing to tax text messages to support phone services for the poor

Goes to Fox News
http://bit.ly/2EizOfW

Love the one comment about people abusing text messages.
Kali's are f'n clueless.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ftdxp)

107 If "conservatives" want to change antitrust law, then they should change antitrust law.

But they must not be permitted to pretend it doesn't exist and simply argue for nonenforcement of the law, as Obama did with DACA.


This touches on one thing that has always gotten me about libertarians like Pethoutkis and Tracinsky. And for that matter, Shapiro. Whenever this subject comes up they speak as though we were living under laws concocted by a triumvirate of Rand, Rothbard, and von Mises. And any action would be in violation of that.

This is absurd. The laws are what they are, and they are not written by Bastiat. They were written by, at best, pinko Dems and go-along Reps. At worst, they are really regulations created by bureaucrats.

But suddenly, for some reason, the (true) point that people change their economic activity because of the laws - a point they make over and over in other contexts - gets forgotten.

Ticks me off.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (VaN/j)

108 It's a convenient fiction that gets told often enough that people believe it, but it hasn't been true for a long time. The top valued companies now are Amazon, Apple, Google, Facebook, and Samsung. One of those isn't even based in the US, and the other 4 are undeniably pro-leftist agendas.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (KUaJL)

Stupid people still think that just because someone owns something and is rich, they must be "conservative."

Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (NFEMn)

109 BURN IT DOWN
SCATTER THE STONES
SALT THE EARTH


Allen is our prophet

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (FTPVM)

110 Google owns Goodlatte? That's a shock.

I thought Amazon owned Goodlatte.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)

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He is not owned. He is a rental with multiple customers.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ffYR/)

111 So now we're arguing about whether the Eagles were a great band or not? Back to work.

Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (2sCft)

112 "I think one of the directives we've gotten very clearly from Sundar
[Pichai, Google's CEO], his leadership is to build deeper relationships
with conservatives," Kovacevich said.


I wasn't aware that the phrase "build deeper relationships with" necessitated bribing them.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (fD23g)

113 It's Lupus


I rate this as : True

Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (lwiT4)

114 Corporate or government "scientist" on the take: "X is true because look how many people agree."

This has long been a logical fallacy that many fall for. Truth is not a majority vote, its either true or not irregardless of how many "experts" agree upon it.

But for the credulous, ignorant, and ill-educated, it sounds compelling.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (39g3+)

115 Holy Shit, Macaulay Culkin is on Best of the Worst again!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (xJa6I)

116 80 Google owns Goodlatte? That's a shock.


I thought Amazon owned Goodlatte.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)

Turns out he's easy.

Posted by: Google, stroking a white cat at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (RD7QR)

117 While explaining over Thanksgiving why global arming is a scam to overly control people's lives and usher in a global governance, I was accused of being a conspiracy theorist.

BUT THIS. This kind of Google dominated power abuse crap, fueled by the wormtongue-esque GOPe Nevertrumpers, is why conspiracy theories have legs! Peel back the mask, and the gaping maw of totalitarianism and chaos blinks back at you.

Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (hvf9s)

118 113 It's Lupus


I rate this as : True
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (lwiT4)
===

LUPUS!? Is it Lupus!!!??

Posted by: George Costanza at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (BDZWU)

119 So now we're arguing about whether the Eagles were a great band or not?

Three of the five armies thought so.

Posted by: Beorn Free at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (nEOLy)

120

You know who else had Lupus? Jim Phelps of the IMF...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (/9p9e)

121 AEI Baaled out Google?


ISWYDT

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (WXewq)

122 he sheer scale of The Eagles success always mystified me.
Posted by: JoeF.

Drugs are a Helluva drug.
Posted by: The 70's at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (nEOLy)

You're telling us? Bloody Hell....

Posted by: Dark Side of the Moon at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (NFEMn)

123 116
80 Google owns Goodlatte? That's a shock.





I thought Amazon owned Goodlatte.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)



Turns out he's easy.

Posted by: Google, stroking a white cat at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (RD7QR)
Good God people! Goodlatte isn't a house!
He's more like a time-share condo.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (37IEG)

124 I saw Parliament of Whores open for King Crimson at The Palace back in '88.

What a prince of a show !!!

Posted by: Del Wilkes at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (BBhgz)

125 92 Any way I can partake of Google's largesse?

it strikes me that Large S would be a good name for a band.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (xGZ+b)

126 Allen akbar!

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (HofIn)

127 The government should not have a thing to say about
any company doing anything outside of fraud, crime, active aid to
enemies*, or the abetting of such.



The GOPe has been a complete fraud in motion for the past 105 years.



* which I consider gurgle engaged in right now

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ZejZP)

Sounds great in theory but in the real world monopolies are bad. Would you prefer Ma Bell never being broken up?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (CQ3Qb)

128 47 42 Is that Ben Shapiro in the MAGA hat texting?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (r9UYA)

Too tall.
Too tanned, rested and ready
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (xJa6I)


Does that mean it's Hillary?

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (VaN/j)

129 Google owns Goodlatte? That's a shock.


They doubled his estates in France.

Flake turn .. for much less.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (WXewq)

130
I thought Amazon owned Goodlatte.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:39 PM (LISuA)



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He is not owned. He is a rental with multiple customers.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM (ffYR/)

=================

Kind of a condo Congressman, you're saying. There are many rooms in his mansion, and all of them are for sale.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, moar coffee! at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (LISuA)

131 So now we're arguing about whether the Eagles were a great band or not?

Three of the five armies thought so.
Posted by: Beorn Free at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (nEOLy)

So do we

Posted by: New England Patriots at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (NFEMn)

132 Trump should announce tomorrow that a windfall profits tax should be imposed on tech giants like Google and then sit back and watch the schadenfreude as the left who was for such things in the past be now against it because...Orange Man bad.

Posted by: Augustine at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (BDZWU)

133 You know who else had Lupus? Jim Phelps of the IMF...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (/9p9e)


I thought he had Graves Disease.

Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (lwiT4)

134 It's "Conservative" think tanks funded by Google all the way down.

Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (z1Nsn)

135 Well, at least Huber won't be testifying before Congress.

That's good news, or something?

Posted by: blaster at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (9VeU0)

136 I saw Gaping Maw of Totalitarianism and Chaos open for Cannibal Corpse at Numbers in 1993.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (HofIn)

137 Wow. Nice link in yer nick Zombie. I could get sooo lost in those hills.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (zcM+Q)

138 "About 50 lobby journalists sitting in neat rows eagerly awaiting tonight's result . . . like a giddy classroom"

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (+ZMGe)

139 The top valued companies now are Amazon, Apple, Google, Facebook, and Samsung.

I think those are the most valuable brands. The top five companies by market value is slightly different.

Apple, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, and Facebook. Samsung is #12 by that measure.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (9qZ3S)

140 Shoe the children With no shoes on their feet

House the people Livin' in the street Oh, oh, there's a solution

Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'

Into the future

Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (LL1Be)

141 128 47 42 Is that Ben Shapiro in the MAGA hat texting?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (r9UYA)

Too tall.
Too tanned, rested and ready
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:35 PM (xJa6I)

Does that mean it's Hillary?
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (VaN/j)

I would pay $15,000 to see Hilary wear a MAGA hat in public for the day.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (xJa6I)

142 115 Holy Shit, Macaulay Culkin is on Best of the Worst again!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:43 PM (xJa6I)

Hmmm, Plinketto. Are there that many Culkin movies?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (ycWCI)

143 "He is not owned. He is a rental with multiple customers."

So, like a hooker, right?

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (fD23g)

144 Notification of IP address collection: All IP addresses interacting with this Internet posting have been catalogued.

This message was sent by an automated messaging bot. Please do not reply to this message.

Posted by: GooMazonCIA HQ at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (DuAZ5)

145 The sheer scale of The Eagles success always mystified me.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:40 PM (NFEMn)

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Lemme guess.

Youre in the 18-37 year old demographic???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 03:41 PM (8XRCm)

I wish.
I was 14 when like (apparently) every other American , I went out and bought Their Greatest Hits when it came out......

Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (NFEMn)

146 133 You know who else had Lupus? Jim Phelps of the IMF...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (/9p9e)


I thought he had Graves Disease.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (lwiT4)


Hand problems...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (/9p9e)

147 I think those are the most valuable brands. The top five companies by market value is slightly different.

Apple, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, and Facebook. Samsung is #12 by that measure.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2018 03:47 PM (9qZ3S)

Probably. I got that list from Google (heh) and didn't really look to vet it. But the point stands. I can look at any list and I don't see a single company that has taken principled conservative stands on anything.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (KUaJL)

148
While explaining over Thanksgiving why global arming is a scam to overly control people's lives.



You heartless bastard

Posted by: Michelle Fields at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (TAmPV)

149 "He is not owned. He is a rental with multiple customers."

So, like a hooker, right?
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (fD23g)

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Pretty much the very definition of one.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (ffYR/)

150 >>>6 Ace throws us a curveball, goes Google over May Vote.


Yeah, so, I was half keeping my eye on that, but I didn't see any new news on it, and then AFTER I posted this, I clicked on CNN and saw that they would be announcing the result in 15 minutes.

SHIT. What a waste of a post.

Maybe I should put this one into draft?

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (PbpT7)

151 Sounds great in theory but in the real world monopolies are bad. Would you prefer Ma Bell never being broken up?

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We'd still have Dad yelling at us "Keep it down! I'm on LONG DISTANCE!"

Posted by: Hooray for Boobies at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (SOgjZ)

152 The pursuit of money is the root of all evil - Saul of Tarsus

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (FTPVM)

153
What the hell???

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (/9p9e)

154 We're kinda running with this one, Ace, but do what ya want man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 12, 2018 03:49 PM (xJa6I)

155
You know who else had Lupus? Jim Phelps of the IMF...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton


Lupus gave him the Willies.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 03:50 PM (aKsyK)

156 Hello?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 03:50 PM (bQtop)

157 >>> 115 Holy Shit, Macaulay Culkin is on Best of the Worst again!

Yay, I liked him on there.

Over/under on whether the RLM guys have talked with him about banging Mila Kunis?

Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 03:50 PM (hvf9s)

158 I can't believe you put this back in draft after 150 comments.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 12, 2018 03:50 PM (WXewq)

159
Oh I think there's some basis for reexamining anti-trust laws, since
they are kind of unevenly applied. But I agree, its a pretty low
priority to me.
=====

RICO, RICO, RICO . . .

As long as we are stuck with that abomination, might as well use it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (MIKMs)

160 Well since Planned Parenthood gets $500 million tax money, Google should get $500 billion because it says don't be evil. Of course, they mean you, not them.

Posted by: torabora at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (cjJ09)

161 I'm sure it's a complete mystery to the likes of Paul Ryano, Bob Goodlatte, Mia Love, etc. how it is the Nutzy Palzi-led Donks swept the elections in 2018.
Because they'll never read articles like this one - which makes it abundantly clear why they got their clocks cleaned. Well that, and massive vote fraud in CA helped. A lot.

Posted by: DocJ at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (IbD2v)

162 What is this

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (bQtop)

163 Hmmm. The thrill of being FIRST! (assuming I still am when I press Post) seems to be far outweighed by the disappointment of having nothing to read here.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (sPgZ5)

164 ?

Posted by: Boots at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (e9omi)

165 He is not owned. He is a rental with multiple customers.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 03:42 PM


You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: Stormy D. at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (ctuyM)

166 hey, my own thread!

Posted by: torabora at December 12, 2018 03:51 PM (cjJ09)

167 Are there any actual conservative think tanks?

I mean, I (and most of us here) sniffed out National Review was a con years ago.

But name one single conservative idea that is policy today because of the thinking power concentrated in these think tanks.

Or, as a dose of reality: How many liberal ideas have they given a veneer and repackaged as conservative?
And then became policy because it was a "conservative" proposal?

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 12, 2018 03:53 PM (TN1P5)

168 Sounds great in theory but in the real world monopolies are bad. Would you prefer Ma Bell never being broken up?


Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 12, 2018 03:45 PM (CQ3Qb)
Have you been paying attention to where the seven Bell dwarves are these days? Bell Atlantic ate NyNex and then merged with GTE. BellSouth merged back in to ATT along with Ameritech, Southwestern Bell, and Pacific Telesis.
that leave ones baby bell that's not rejoined with a variation of the old Bells.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 03:53 PM (37IEG)

169 91
He said negotiations over the bill showed how Google sometimes works with people who do not "align 100 percent with our views."



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Wow. You "sometimes" work with people who do not "align 100 percent with our views."



Now how would we ever get the idea that your privacy-destroying,
commie-enabling, monopolistic, libtard cesspool of a company leans left?

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That's what leapt out at me about this. Whores gonna whore is not shocking, but for Google to flat-out state how unusual it is they would use someone who doesn't kowtow to them completely.

Posted by: TheHoser at December 12, 2018 03:55 PM (IDjUx)

170 There is a fundamental problem here. While it is true that the arguments, per se, that really free markets are self-correcting, that doesn't really amount to as much as people think. In real life, they have never existed, and there is no reason to think they can. The government, such as it is, will still be full of corruptible people. Even if the elected pols are somehow kept honest (hah!) the bureaucrats and judges cannot be.

Further, companies will still engage in fraud and extortion. And the government will not be able to suppress this very well. Along with the reasons above, it will lack - even where the will is present - the resources to detect and punish. Unless of course we have a panopticon state, but that just undermines the whole project.

To my mind, pure free marketeers are not all that different from the "socialism with the right people in charge" brigade. Maybe a little less deluded, but just a little.

And that doesn't even raise the question of whether successful capitalist societies tend to bring about cultures in which capitalism cannot survive. Not proven, I'll grant, but there is a prima facia case.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 03:56 PM (VaN/j)

171
The sheer scale of The Eagles success always mystified me.
Simple. Take the Flying Burrito Brothers (w/Gram Parsons) and water it down to the lowest common denominator.
Do the same thing with the Allman Brothers, you get Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Do it to Lynyrd Skynyrd, and you get .38 Special.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at December 12, 2018 03:57 PM (P/ALc)

172 ...and *poof!* The post is gone.

Posted by: johnd01 at December 12, 2018 04:08 PM (ukNFU)

173 First???

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 04:16 PM (0tfLf)

174 Pixy, you minx!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 04:16 PM (0tfLf)

175 Muh payoff checks.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:41 PM (4ErVI)

176 Imagine if this was a tobacco company paying doctors.

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2018 04:41 PM (WaxcS)

177 Back to the Future!

Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at December 12, 2018 04:42 PM (2sCft)

178 Post up.

Poof, it's gone.

Another cloud of smoke, and it's back.

Sort of like the left's concern about women. I never suspected Ace of that.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:42 PM (VaN/j)

179 Alderaan revisited.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 04:43 PM (ftdxp)

180 OK, now I'm just confused and angry.

Posted by: Archer at December 12, 2018 04:43 PM (gmo/4)

181 Google is not a monopoly. Plain and simple. Neither was Microsoft anything near a monopoly when the government and various states ganged up and stole hundreds of billions from them.

The definition of "monopoly" has gotten really watered down.

You want to go after Google then there are tons of legitimate ways to go about it, but the "monopoly" play is not one of them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:44 PM (oRu+u)

182 More on this subject later today.

Posted by Ace of Spades


promise kept

Posted by: x at December 12, 2018 04:44 PM (nFwvY)

183 Is this why I get so many disgusting "Ben Shapiro pwnz da left with 1 tweet plus proves only racists voted 4 Trump" in my youtube recommendations all the time?

Posted by: Ceremonial Mace +6 at December 12, 2018 04:44 PM (7PwuC)

184 It's like an alien abduction. There's a block of time we can't account for on this thread.

Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (2sCft)

185 >>>There is a fundamental problem here. While it is true that the arguments, per se, that really free markets are self-correcting, that doesn't really amount to as much as people think.

There's another problem: Timescale.

Let's say I agree that Google will become so thuggish in its censorship and INTERFERENCE WITH US ELECTIONS (just like RUSSIA!) that a competitor will eventually rise and become its equal.

What is the time scale we're talking about? 10 years? 20 years? NEVER?! (Some monopolies are too powerful and remain in place forever.)

Should we just wait for the magic of the self-correcting market for 20 or 30 years while we're censored, surveilled, and manipulated politically? After 30 years of Google stacking the deck for Democrats, what exactly would be left of America to conserve?

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (PbpT7)

186 I've got some serious Deja Vu going on.

Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (G0vdT)

187 I hate the Left, But I hate RINOs and traitors more.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (yWXpx)

188
.....because......... he......... was............




looking for love in Alderaann places......

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (8XRCm)

189 Week before his congressional testimony Sundar dumped close to 20 % of his holdings in Google supposedly.

If true, could be problematic.

Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (OYTRN)

190 Funny how these TruCons are so very selective

Now now ace, collapse the nuance and you'll collapse the West.

Posted by: DaveA at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (FhXTo)

191 One big incestuous ouroboros of daisy-chained dicksuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (NWiLs)

192 This thread is not new, it is old, and sullied!


Like Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (37IEG)

193 This thread is not new, it is old, and sullied!


Like Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: DamnedYankee


Smells like cat piss.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (ftdxp)

194 >>> Google is not a monopoly. Plain and simple. Neither was Microsoft anything near a monopoly when the government and various states ganged up and stole hundreds of billions from them.

The definition of "monopoly" has gotten really watered down.

...

yeah it's gotten "watered down" to 85% dominance. Really, really watered down. I mean, a company which controls 90% of the market its in and which routinely acts in concert with other companies to deplatform its competitors is not the sort of "monopoly" we should worry about.

We should just accept that Google will be picking our presidents for the next 30 years until the magic of market discipline self-corrects.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (PbpT7)

195 One of my first thoughts was why did Google even bother with AEI and CEI? Do they still have any influence over us, if they ever did? Then I realized AEI and CEI and their ilk are there to influence GOPe in Congress, not us plebes.

Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (786Ro)

196 One big incestuous ouroboros of daisy-chained dicksuckers.

------

Tell you what. Screw the MSM. Some of the VERY best writers are right fucking here on this blog.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (8XRCm)

197 181 Google is not a monopoly. Plain and simple. Neither was Microsoft anything near a monopoly when the government and various states ganged up and stole hundreds of billions from them.

The definition of "monopoly" has gotten really watered down.

You want to go after Google then there are tons of legitimate ways to go about it, but the "monopoly" play is not one of them.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:44 PM (oRu+u)


This has been discussed already. While not a monopoly under the ordinary and original meaning, it is so under US law. Or at least, that's the argument.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (VaN/j)

198 I'm starting to hate the Libertarian wing of the conservative movement.

I used to consider myself more of a libertarian than a conservative because it seemed like conservatives were too focused on socon issues I thought were more or less just virtue signaling, but the libertarians seem almost gleeful at the prospect of a few social marxist oligarchs ruling over us.

Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:48 PM (UfkIY)

199 196 One big incestuous ouroboros of daisy-chained dicksuckers.

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Tell you what. Screw the MSM. Some of the VERY best writers are right fucking here on this blog.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (8XRCm)


Mostly they people who write "First!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 04:48 PM (/9p9e)

200 but the libertarians seem almost gleeful at the prospect of a few social marxist oligarchs ruling over us.

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you misspelled "legal weed".

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (8XRCm)

201
Re : ZH article on Google

I struggled with the title of this piece, because ever since the 2016 election, usage of the term "deep state" has become overly associated with Trump cheerleaders. I'm not referring to people who voted for Trump, whom I can both understand and respect, I'm talking about the Trump cultists. Like most people who mindlessly and enthusiastically attach themselves to political figures, they tend to be either morons or opportunists.


oh goody. Zero to Nevertrumper in a single paragraph.

Please DO go on...

Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (LL1Be)

202 What I learn from this is that if Google is alowing a "conservative" to be promoted or popular on their networks and media, then they are likely useless, ineffective or just plain fake-right.

Weakly Standard, Shapiro, George Will, Ect. Ect.

Posted by: Ceremonial Mace +6 at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (7PwuC)

203 Monopolies were never absolute monopolies. All a monopoly has to do to prevent itself from being a true monopoly is invest in, or contrive, a tiny competitor which might have 0.5% of the market and then they can say "We're not a TRUE monopoly!"

Whatever. If you're open to bullshit like that, then you're just pro-monopoly.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (PbpT7)

204 Cherif Chekatt, who remained on the lam Wednesday after a deadly rampage at a Christmas market in France, had been on police radar after being radicalized while jailed in three countries for a variety of crimes, officials said.

See Jail bad. berry berry bad
I am sure he was a mother's joy before the white bastards jailed him....FREE HEUY

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (yWXpx)

205 193 This thread is not new, it is old, and sullied!


Like Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: DamnedYankee


Smells like cat piss.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (ftdxp)


Don't forget the chardonnay.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (VaN/j)

206 193
This thread is not new, it is old, and sullied!





Like Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: DamnedYankee





Smells like cat piss.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (ftdxp)
this has often made me wonder, what was so bad about Sully that they named a bad thing after him?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (37IEG)

207 Muh free markets is a theory that came from a book. So did Marxism. Neither has ever existed in its pure form and neither ever will. They don't take into account human nature, or at least not enough to realize that people aren't robots who mechanically march to some theoretical utopia. Ain't happening in this world.

Just the Oh Yeah You Want Me To Do That Well Fuck You I'm Gonna Do Just The Opposite brigade is enough to sink any of these magical theories. Those people exist and can monkeywrench any beautiful plans.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (4ErVI)

208
Willowed:

"people who are waiting for asylum in Tijuana say they'll go back home for fifty large."

Migrant? You can have my answer now, if you like. My offer is this: nothing.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (LsBY9)

209 Off damn Mace Sock

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (7PwuC)

210 >>>198 I'm starting to hate the Libertarian wing of the conservative movement.


Been here for a while. There's beer in the fridge.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (PbpT7)

211 In a company-wide meeting a couple of weeks later, on March 1, Google's public policy team described the blog posts as the fruit of Google's efforts to build deeper relationships with conservatives Trucon Beltway Establishment Experts, according to an audio recording of the meeting reviewed by WIRED.


FIFY

Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 04:50 PM (786Ro)

212 And I didn't even need to Goggle ouroboros because I watch the Syfy channel.

Whoa! Back to Google!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 12, 2018 04:50 PM (xfb67)

213 Sounds great in theory but in the real world monopolies are bad. Would you prefer Ma Bell never being broken up?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans


Two kinds of monopolies: natural and government chartered.

What we have in the us are an evil mix of both.

Remove the implicit charters and the natural monopolies will melt in the sunlight of exposure to a real free market.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 12, 2018 04:50 PM (ZejZP)

214 Nope. Fuch Google. Burn it down and split it up. If Trump had a hair on his ass he would be twisting arms and using his political will and talent to break google apart.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 12, 2018 04:50 PM (0OmEj)

215 @17 What I find amazing is that they were created in America, by Americans... but now have values of other societies as their guidelines.
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My recollection is that both Alphabet (i.e. Google's parent company) and Microsoft are led by Indians (dot, not feather). i.e. they're probably led by people who were born into the upper-tier castes, and have carried over the attitudes that they grew up with in India's caste system.

Posted by: junior at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (Fp6vo)

216 Mostly they people who write "First!"


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 04:48 PM (/9p9e)

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I see the potential for much wider exposure. How does First: The Movie strike you?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (Gsi5v)

217 and which routinely acts in concert with other companies to deplatform its competitors is not the sort of "monopoly" we should worry about.

Corporate collusion is something you can legitimately go after.

We should just accept that Google will be picking our presidents for the next 30 years until the magic of market discipline self-corrects.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (PbpT7)


Finding Google's in-kind political donations (unreported) is another.

I'm sure the IRS could find all sorts of shit on Google - legitimate issues.

You don't have to destroy the concept of a monopoly in order to attack Google. I hate Google as much as anyone, but I hate the government making up bullshit even more.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (oRu+u)

218 >>Google is not a monopoly. Plain and simple. Neither was Microsoft anything near a monopoly when the government and various states ganged up and stole hundreds of billions from them.

>>The definition of "monopoly" has gotten really watered down.

>>You want to go after Google then there are tons of legitimate ways to go about it, but the "monopoly" play is not one of them.

I'm not sure how you can argue that. It's market dominance is not only dominant to the point where the competition is virtually irrelevant, their dominance sets the market price for advertising and other services where they compete.

They are already being investigated by the EU and Australia for market monopoly. They seem to be the very definition of a monopoly to me.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (/tuJf)

219 Ace throws us a curveball, goes Google over May Vote.


Yeah, so, I was half keeping my eye on that, but I didn't see any new news on it, and then AFTER I posted this, I clicked on CNN and saw that they would be announcing the result in 15 minutes.

SHIT. What a waste of a post.

Maybe I should put this one into draft?
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All of the sudden I feel like a shelf, sitting on the floor, unmoored to anything. Just sitting there, nothing on me but some dust and moldering expectations.

Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 04:52 PM (TN3ry)

220 Hey, Ace, in your May Vote thread, the headline makes it sound like "Her Own MPs" and "Conservatives" are two different groups. They're the same. I know you know that, it just reads funny.

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 04:52 PM (+ZMGe)

221 I support the nationalization of all of Big Tech. I would prefer a market solution, but it's clear they deplatform any attempted competition via domain hosting and pay processors.

Fuck them.

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at December 12, 2018 04:52 PM (7PwuC)

222 yeah it's gotten "watered down" to 85% dominance. Really, really watered down. I mean, a company which controls 90% of the market its in and which routinely acts in concert with other companies to deplatform its competitors is not the sort of "monopoly" we should worry about.


Then what? Make them make their search algorithms worse?

It's not as if we're waiting for plucky undergrads working out of a garage to come up with better search. Freaking Microsoft is trying to compete with them.

That's all the money and all the brains you can throw at a thing and it's not succeeding.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 04:52 PM (fuK7c)

223 I may have put too much sugar in the cream cheese.
Or too much tasting of the cream cheese as I blended in the sugar.

The crash is going to be epic.

Posted by: R. An Domeski at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (hrcfq)

224 Monopoly sucks. Never could win that damn game.

Posted by: eleven at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (NLLmE)

225
I see the potential for much wider exposure. How does First: The Movie strike you?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (Gsi5v)
This movie will star me, for I am always first! As Allah wills!

Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (37IEG)

226 This has been discussed already. While not a monopoly under the ordinary and original meaning, it is so under US law. Or at least, that's the argument.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (VaN/j)

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The term for them is Oligopoly.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (ffYR/)

227 Raise your hand if you have family or friends who say I would quit them, but?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (bQtop)

228 224 Monopoly sucks. Never could win that damn game.

Posted by: eleven at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (NLLmE)

Be the banker and then loan yourself money.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (4ErVI)

229 Libertarian - a person who screams Laissez-faire, but really means socialism now, socialism tomorrow, socialism forever.

Posted by: Archer at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (gmo/4)

230 I just realized the different meaning of "woo" - nonsensical bullshit intended to pull the wool - is more accurate than "express love towards"/"seduce", in every sense other than Wanting To Do That Thing In Your Mouth.

Google's henchpersyns are definitely trying to woo us in the selling-us-a-bill-of-goods sense.

Posted by: Sporkatus at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (HtLSE)

231 Posted by: eleven at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (NLLmE)



Be the banker and then loan yourself money.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (4ErVI)
Be the banker and cheat. Just like real life!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (37IEG)

232 BTW, Microsoft wasn't broken up or anything. It was forbidden to engage in the practice of "tying," which is using your monopoly in one area (here, MS had a monopoly in operating systems installed on DOS/IBM clone computers) to obtain a competitive advantage in ANOTHER field (here, in the internet browser field).

I don't see what's so radical about telling a monopoly, "No, you can't use your monopolistic power in this one area to squash competition in this other area in which there is currently a lot of competition."

Google is currently setting the rules for the whole tech industry as to what speech people may engage in. You think it's a conincidence that when one "Independent" Tech Monster bans someone, everyone else bans him within a week?

No-- there's coordination, and a default to employing Google's "algorithmic" definitions of Forbidden Speech.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (PbpT7)

233 There is nothing wrong with Googlag that a damn good carpet bombing wouldn't fix

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (OLCnA)

234 This movie will star me, for I am always first! As Allah wills!
Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM (37IEG)

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Yeah. "FIRST"......(six hundred years later). Blow me.

Posted by: Jesus H Christ. at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (8XRCm)

235 I guess I'm pro-monopoly.

That's okay with me. None of the traditional monopolies in America have ever been able to withstand the market and progress for very long ... except for the ones that the government sanctioned and protected, of course.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (oRu+u)

236 I always thought "Libertarian" meant "I don't want to admit I'm a Liberal".

Posted by: eleven at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (NLLmE)

237 Be the banker and then loan yourself money.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (4ErVI)

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Loan???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (8XRCm)

238 192 This thread is not new, it is old, and sullied!


Like Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 04:46 PM (37IEG)

Who will never be President!

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (+ZMGe)

239
Let's say I agree that Google will become so thuggish in its censorship and INTERFERENCE WITH US ELECTIONS (just like RUSSIA!) that a competitor will eventually rise and become its equal.

What is the time scale we're talking about? 10 years? 20 years? NEVER?! (Some monopolies are too powerful and remain in place forever.)

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Also, thuggish monopolies don't play fair, especially once they are YUUUUGE. You can bet they'd be bribing congressmen and senators by the boatload and changing the rules to protect their interests and undercut competition.

say how long has Disney extended the copyright on Mickey?

Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (snB0C)

240 210 >>>198 I'm starting to hate the Libertarian wing of the conservative movement.


Been here for a while. There's beer in the fridge.
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:49 PM (PbpT7)


While I was never a libertarian, I did like most of the ones I knew back in the 60s through early 80s. Then, my view was there was a long path down the road we could walk together before parting company.

But the new lot are much worse. They seem to think a lot less about, e.g., freedom of thought, and a lot more about toking up. Granted, the latter was common in those days too, but it wasn't such a principle. Also, they've gone from mostly atheists to overwhelmingly Christianity hating.

One thing they had in common, then as now, is refusal to even address the question of how to keep a society even partly open to the kinds of liberty they wanted. Somehow, that was supposed to work itself out.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (VaN/j)

241 >>>235 I guess I'm pro-monopoly.

That's okay with me. None of the traditional monopolies in America have ever been able to withstand the market and progress for very long ... except for the ones that the government sanctioned and protected, of course.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (oRu+u)
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We like Google, Facebook, and Twitter

Posted by: NSA at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (7PwuC)

242 We hateses leftovers, precious.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (zcM+Q)

243

I favor fascism.

As long as I'm the fascist.

Posted by: Purple Headed Diamond Cutter at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (q1al1)

244 You know what's a cool word? Monopsony.

That's when there's only one buyer. I learned that by accident in college when there was an obscure little booklet next to the book I was looking for.

I stole all of the booklet's ideas and got an A.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (fuK7c)

245 >>>Then what? Make them make their search algorithms worse?

It's not as if we're waiting for plucky undergrads working out of a garage to come up with better search. Freaking Microsoft is trying to compete with them.

...

Monopolies are forbidden by law to engage in "tying," using a monopoly position to gain a competitive advantage in another field.

Like, say, political choice.

Watch "The Creepy Line," especially the last half hour, and then get back to me. It's on Amazon and free on Amazon Prime.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM (PbpT7)

246 It's like the Gilded Age never happened with some people.

Back then those guys, and I'm thinking of the railroads and the Vanderbilts, used to rig the stock market. They were throwing the entire economy into tailspins while they played casino against their enemies. I have no doubt in my mind that Google would do the same thing if it could.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (4ErVI)

247 I absolutely think Google is a monopoly. They own how the world sees the internet.

We've never really seen a business with this much power over just about every facet of society, business, politics and culture.

What exactly would be the downside for the government breaking them up? Are there really many anarchist libertarians out there that never seem to say a peep about the 300,000 of regulations on business, but this is their hill to die on? Making sure Google gets to flex their power without interruption?

Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (UfkIY)

248 The world powers are betting on evil winning this time. After all Time mag said God is dead. Yeah go with that.

Posted by: John Doe at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (WX+x0)

249 Get your fasces! Get your fasces!

Posted by: Bundle of Sticks Inc at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (37IEG)

250 So here's the thing - I hate Google with the white-hot intensity of 1000 suns. And I type this on a Google Chromebook while checking a text message on my Google Pixel phone.
Because, seriously, where else you gonna go other than OffTheGrid(tm)?

Posted by: DocJ at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (IbD2v)

251 They are already being investigated by the EU and Australia for market monopoly.

Not the people I turn to for help in understanding business. If the EU is against something then my first instinct is that I should probably be for it.

They seem to be the very definition of a monopoly to me.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:51 PM (/tuJf)


Odd definition you must have, there.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (oRu+u)

252 I don't understand how breaking up the tech giants would make them less censorious or Orwellian/NSA-ish (which is my beef with them, more so than their market practices ).

Say Google gets broke up into 10 "baby Googles", like what happened to Bell. What's to stop them from simply carrying on as always (aside from market dominance )? 10 baby Googles censoring anyone to the right of the Daily Kos, instead of one big Google doing it? 10 baby Googles invading privacy instead of one big Google doing it.

I'm asking a question rather than making an argument here. If we break them up, how does that change their worldview and their behavior? I don't think even 1 or 2 of the new, "baby Googles" or "baby Facebooks" would become liberalized (in the conservative / libertarian meaning ). Still a bunch soi-soaked mini-maoists.

Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (786Ro)

253 So in the face of monolithic, and arguably monopolistic activity dependent on destroying the 1st , 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution in order to operate, Zerohedge asshole is pissed off because some clown is wearing Trump pajamas.... or something.


Unserious Anti-semitic Libertarian Cheetos and Wheed fucktards, the lot of them.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (LL1Be)

254 This movie will star me, for I am always first! As Allah wills!
Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 04:53 PM


The patriarchal race to claim "First!" is just another example of male entitlement.

The presumed right to use and abuse something and then walk away to conquer something new is a hallmark of colonialism.

Posted by: Marcie Bianco at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (ctuyM)

255 Google is an advertiser. Whether it's a monopoly under the law has to be based on whether it monopolizes advertising business to a degree that it effectively shuts out competition from other advertisers.

The fact that Google makes itself an effective advertiser by collecting and correlating enormous amounts of data about the people targeted by its ads is irrelevant under current definitions of a monopoly.

That's not saying there aren't other ways of going after Google, but anti-trust law seems to be a poor tool for this.

Hey! Give it to Mueller! He'll find something.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (Gsi5v)

256
How does First: The Movie strike you?

Can there be a First 2 ?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (aKsyK)

257 >>That's okay with me. None of the traditional monopolies in America have ever been able to withstand the market and progress for very long ... except for the ones that the government sanctioned and protected, of course.

Do you know what happened when the government was forced to break up the telephone monopoly? Competition brought us the a multitude of new communication technologies that never would have seen the light of day if one company had been allowed to dominate the entire market sector.

One of those technologies that bloomed was the internet and that brought us search engines and that brought us Google.

And here we are. Again.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)

258 232 BTW, Microsoft wasn't broken up or anything. It was forbidden to engage in the practice of "tying," which is using your monopoly in one area (here, MS had a monopoly in operating systems installed on DOS/IBM clone computers) to obtain a competitive advantage in ANOTHER field (here, in the internet browser field).

I don't see what's so radical about telling a monopoly, "No, you can't use your monopolistic power in this one area to squash competition in this other area in which there is currently a lot of competition."

Google is currently setting the rules for the whole tech industry as to what speech people may engage in. You think it's a conincidence that when one "Independent" Tech Monster bans someone, everyone else bans him within a week?

No-- there's coordination, and a default to employing Google's "algorithmic" definitions of Forbidden Speech.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (PbpT7)



Yep. Google gets to use their search engine algorithms to fudge the results so conservative sources or just general information contrary to their preferred narrative to show up on Page 8 of search results. They can blacklist a company's ad even if it doesn't actually run against any rules just because the owners are conservative. They can ban people on youtube and claim they violated terms when there is no proof.

And then they get Facebook and Twitter to join in on their new standards.

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (WaxcS)

259 >>> None of the traditional monopolies in America have ever been able to withstand the market and progress for very long ...

What is your definition of "for very long"? For a generation or two?

A generation or two doesn't seem like much looking back a hundred years, but try living through it in the premise.

The social left took control of the universities -- monopolistic control of ideas -- a genration or two ago.

When do you see the magic of market forces correcting that? And how many generations of Brainwashed Socialist Retards are we willing to put up with while we wait for the Magic of Market Forces to unfuck the academy?

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (PbpT7)

260 235 I guess I'm pro-monopoly.

That's okay with me. None of the traditional monopolies in America have ever been able to withstand the market and progress for very long ... except for the ones that the government sanctioned and protected, of course.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 04:55 PM (oRu+u)



You mean like they're doing with google?

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (WaxcS)

261 226 This has been discussed already. While not a monopoly under the ordinary and original meaning, it is so under US law. Or at least, that's the argument.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 04:47 PM (VaN/j)

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The term for them is Oligopoly.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 04:54 PM (ffYR/)


So what? Law isn't philosophy. In all cases the functioning definition, unless already established IN LAW, is written in. And they cannot be exactly the same as either technical or ordinary language uses them.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (VaN/j)

262 And here we are. Again.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)

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On our own.

Going down the only road we've ever known!!

Posted by: whitesnake at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (8XRCm)

263 The presumed right to use and abuse something and then walk away to conquer something new is a hallmark of colonialism.

Posted by: Marcie Bianco at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (ctuyM)
My sword, is right, there is no presumption woman!

Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (37IEG)

264 Get your feces! Get your feces!
Posted by: Bundle of Sticks Inc at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM


FIFY.

Posted by: The Sidewalks of San Francisco at December 12, 2018 05:00 PM (ctuyM)

265 257 >>That's okay with me. None of the traditional monopolies in America have ever been able to withstand the market and progress for very long ... except for the ones that the government sanctioned and protected, of course.

Do you know what happened when the government was forced to break up the telephone monopoly? Competition brought us the a multitude of new communication technologies that never would have seen the light of day if one company had been allowed to dominate the entire market sector.

One of those technologies that bloomed was the internet and that brought us search engines and that brought us Google.

And here we are. Again.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)

I agree with this, except that google's reach is much larger. So the US government could only hobble google in the US. Which would hobble us.

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (+ZMGe)

266 Slow Train has arrived.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (PUmDY)

267 "try living through it in the present," I meant.

One can look at standard oil and shrug and say "Oh, that would have worked itself out in 60 years."

Easy to say, looking back after "magic" would have fixed things (one presupposes).

But how about living through a monopoly for 20 or 40 years?

Especially an evil one with an eye towards political manipulation and even mind control (or, at least: strong mind INFLUENCE)?

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (PbpT7)

268
Can there be a First 2 ?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 04:58 PM (aKsyK)
I've worked for you haven't I? Where all the projects are the #1 priority?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (37IEG)

269 Maybe we won't have a yellow jacket movement, how about a Howard Beal, "were not going to take it anymore" movement?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (bQtop)

270 ah don't worry, on a long enough time scale we're all dead anyway.

I'm sure Big Brother will be benevolent.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (PbpT7)

271 We've never really seen a business with this much power over just about every facet of society, business, politics and culture.

What exactly would be the downside for the government breaking them up? Are there really many anarchist libertarians out there that never seem to say a peep about the 300,000 of regulations on business, but this is their hill to die on? Making sure Google gets to flex their power without interruption?

Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (UfkIY)

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In reality, I don't see Govt. breaking them up. For one, there's the serious lobbying coin they have spread around. For another, Gulag does a tremendous amount of business with Govt. They can root out information that the Govt. can't, at least within the law.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (ffYR/)

272 The photo is funny.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (PUmDY)

273 Completely OT, but my local supermarket just opened a bar in the store.
Now I can sit in comfort and enjoy a brew while Mrs D shops and not hide out in my car.
Damn I love 'Murica!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (h8FRs)

274 except that google's reach is much larger. So the US government could only hobble google in the US. Which would hobble us.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (+ZMGe)

Don't have to hobble anything...just make sure google, twitter, FB, and the other media monopolies do NOT censor FREE SPEECH.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (yWXpx)

275 270
ah don't worry, on a long enough time scale we're all dead anyway.



I'm sure Big Brother will be benevolent.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:01 PM (PbpT7)
Dude, that's a variation of when you're getting ass raped, relax and enjoy it.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (37IEG)

276 You only have to walk across the room and yell out of the window

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (bQtop)

277 I support the nationalization of all of Big Tech. I would prefer a market solution, but it's clear they deplatform any attempted competition via domain hosting and pay processors



I support nationalization. After all, that is what banana republics do, and that is what the left seems to want us to be. So shove it up, break it off.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (ftdxp)

278 Heh. Unfuck the Academy would make a fine bumper sticker.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (zcM+Q)

279 We've never really seen a business with this much power over just about every facet of society, business, politics and culture.

Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (UfkIY)

Ahem.

Posted by: Standard Oil at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (IbD2v)

280 Do you know what happened when the government was forced to break up the telephone monopoly? Competition brought us the a multitude of new communication technologies that never would have seen the light of day if one company had been allowed to dominate the entire market sector.

One of those technologies that bloomed was the internet and that brought us search engines and that brought us Google.

And here we are. Again.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)

Who didn't like waiting a few months to get a telephone installed? That was bad but at least you didn't have to worry about shopping for a phone at the store since you could only get one through the telephone monopoly.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (4ErVI)

281 The Creepy Line points out that the government is increasing fused with gmail -- most government mail systems are actually gmail with the google branding taken off. When people share docs in government, they're using google docs. Again, Google branding removed. But it's google docs.

Whenever they pay for data storage and compression, they pay google.

And of course the NSA is in bed with Google.

But whatever, it's a "Free Market" and everything with no government interference.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (PbpT7)

282 279
We've never really seen a business with this much power over just about every facet of society, business, politics and culture.

Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 04:57 PM (UfkIY)

Ahem.


Posted by: Standard Oil at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM (IbD2v)
This guy needs to hold our beers.

Posted by: AT&T at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (37IEG)

283 This is rich.

Remember just a week or two ago, the discussion was that not only was a Dem (Harris) going to lose her seat on the judiciary committee due to gains the Republicans made but that the Turtle was going to shrink the committee to 15 seats, meaning that Booker was going to lose his seat as well....

Welp, the uniparty strikes again.

Just read that Harris and Booker have retained their seat.

You may be wondering: "How the hell did that happen?".

McConnell not only didn't shrink the committee, he F'ing expanded it!

You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (G0vdT)

284 Leninist Google is proving Lenin right;

"Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"

Posted by: kbdabear at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (0Ntuf)

285 >>> Completely OT, but my local supermarket just opened a bar in the store. Now I can sit in comfort and enjoy a brew while Mrs D shops and not hide out in my car. Damn I love 'Murica!!!

So it's a kiddie playpen but for adults....Clever girl.

Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (hvf9s)

286 i'm done. It's all too corrupt to continue.
Burn it down.
Burn it down.

Posted by: mr. bitterness at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (hX8y3)

287 Yellow Vest protesters blame the Jews
It did not take long before the violent economic protests racking France turned anti-Semitic, blaming Jews for their woes and controlling the government; Synagogues shuttered for first time; Spike in emigration inquiries.

But of course
What took so long
Memo to European/British Jews: GET THE FUCK OUT WHILE YOU CAN..Or suffer the fate of whites in South Africa

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (yWXpx)

288 -
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Watch "The Creepy Line," especially the last half hour, and then get back to me. It's on Amazon and free on Amazon Prime.





Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:56 PM

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Heh. That sounds a bit like: "Read the essay 'Satan Sucks'. It's tattooed on Beelzebub's scrotum."

Posted by: irright at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (pMGkg)

289 Say Google gets broke up into 10 "baby Googles", like what happened to Bell. What's to stop them from simply carrying on as always (aside from market dominance )? 10 baby Googles censoring anyone to the right of the Daily Kos, instead of one big Google doing it? 10 baby Googles invading privacy instead of one big Google doing it.

Posted by: Hands

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Unless they are illegally colluding with one another, the benefit would be if some are discriminating, others can pick up that lost business. Competition is what makes "good" capitalism work.

The problem is now, Google can really do whatever the hell it wants and it might lose .05% of market share. They have no fear because they know there are no real alternatives. And a company with that sort of power and no consequences to abusing it is very dangerous.

This goes beyond silly issues like lassiez-faire business interests. Our politics and culture are on the line and Google is very interested in controlling both.

Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (UfkIY)

290 Unfuck the Academy would make a fine bumper sticker.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM


This.

Posted by: Kevin Hart at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (ctuyM)

291 When do you see the magic of market forces correcting that? And how many generations of Brainwashed Socialist Retards are we willing to put up with while we wait for the Magic of Market Forces to unfuck the academy?
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Most higher education maybe 75% can't be unfucked. Were gonna have to drop neutron bombs to get rid of the NPC's and it'll take a generation to get real humans back in the majority. And that's assuming the average American woman decides she wants to have half as many kids as she has purses. Okay don't panic, y'all would need to start having litters, let's say 1/3 as many kids as purses.

Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (TN3ry)

292 Unfuck the Academy would make a fine bumper sticker.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:03 PM

This.
Posted by: Kevin Hart at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (ctuyM)

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*snort

Posted by: whitesnake at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (8XRCm)

293 Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM (G0vdT)

You didn't seriously expect anything different, did you?

Posted by: DocJ at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (IbD2v)

294 Googles also got an app for reporting un-Islamic behaviour to the Indonesian authorities...

There's a link at Insty's for: Google Hosts Sharia Law App Enabling Muslims to Report Blasphemy and Heresy to the Police

BTW, Twitter is allowing the Paki government to tweet people that they've violated Paki (Islamic) law...

https://twitter.com/mightyobvious/status/
1072716783843344386

Most of the responses are Arabic (I assume) if you click through; and... more here...

https://twitter.com/miss9afi/status/
1069712704187875328/photo/1

BTW, a Canadian journalist, Anthony Furey, has also received a "you are breaking Pakistani law" Twitter warning too.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (Evws/)

295 BABY DELIVERED PREMATURELY AFTER MOTHER WOUNDED IN OFRA TERROR ATTACK DIES
Earlier in the day, the babys parents Shira and Amichai Ish-ran, hospitalized for injuries sustained in the attack, visited the baby for the first time.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 05:06 PM (yWXpx)

296 Do you know what happened when the government was forced to break up the telephone monopoly? Competition brought us the a multitude of new communication technologies that never would have seen the light of day if one company had been allowed to dominate the entire market sector.

Uh ... government MADE the monopoly of Mas Bell.

And much of Bell wanted to be broken up because they had tons of technology that they weren't allowed to market.

One of those technologies that bloomed was the internet and that brought us search engines and that brought us Google.

And here we are. Again.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (/tuJf)


The internet blooming had more to do with government repealing its own legislative restrictions than with Ma Bell.

Ma Bell was a government monopoly, sort of like many utilities ... which is what many wanted to bring back with the crazy "Net Neutrality" crap. Guess who loved "Net Neutrality" ...?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (oRu+u)

297 So it's a kiddie playpen but for adults....Clever girl.
Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:05 PM (hvf9s)

*******

I know huh??!!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (h8FRs)

298 >>>Don't have to hobble anything...just make sure google, twitter, FB, and the other media monopolies do NOT censor FREE SPEECH.


and they must be regulated regarding anti-competitive manipulation of search terms.

You gotta watch The Creepy Line. This is stuff Google is already doing -- DURING POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS.

During the 2016 election, they suppressed negative search results for Hillary Clinton but did not do so for Trump or Sanders.

Studies found that from 60% to 100% of people were influenced by these manipulated search terms -- if a search result comes up all positive, they almost all think "Wow, that person is a good person."

Studies have found that 10% to 20% of actual votes can be shifted by this kind of search result manipulation.

The guy who first wrote this up in 2013 for the Washington Post WAS BLOCKED FROM USING GOOGLE starting the very next day after the study was published!

Google claimed "coincidence."

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (PbpT7)

299 When do you see the magic of market forces correcting that? And how many generations of Brainwashed Socialist Retards are we willing to put up with while we wait for the Magic of Market Forces to unfuck the academy? 

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (PbpT7)

One. As in one year, not one generation. The student loan bubble is going to explode, and who knows what the hell will replace it. Why the Republicans don't neuter a major enemy by restricting loans to Gender Studies majors, I have no idea- oh wait, banks.

As for Google having complete dominance everywhere but America: dream on. China just about had them on a leash and the EU is salivating to tear them apart. The world will, unquestionably, be better off when Google is rendered a corpse.

Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (qqEFK)

300 OT: Just Cuz it's fun!


Someone remade the new Godzilla trailer using similar footage from old Godzilla movies:

Enjoy the Cheese!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=147&v=J_v4POTywPQ

Posted by: naturalfake at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (9X624)

301 Who hosts the Academy Awards?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)

302 Heh - in case you haven't noticed my young apprenti, we're back down to 3 big companies.

Verizon, ATT, Qwest.

Oh, and in the process, we ATE GTE, which was "the other phone company".

Soon, we shall have all the rings of power forged by the dwarf lords, plus the secret decoder whistle ring held by GTE!

Posted by: AT&Sauron at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (37IEG)

303 The Goolag engaging in propaganda efforts? Who would have guessed?

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (HTHlp)

304 New York AG just made a declaration of war against Trump and his family. See CTH.

Posted by: Off the reservation at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (vWMNq)

305 216 I see the potential for much wider exposure. How does First: The Movie strike you?

meh. it'll probably just be a warmed over angry birds.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (NmR1a)

306 Guess who loved "Net Neutrality" ...?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (oRu+u)


Brian in New Orleans ?

Posted by: Del Wilkes at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (pNXT2)

307 BTW, he found one group especially susceptible to search-result/social media manipulation.

Wanna guess what group? I'll give you a second.


...

...

...

...

Moderate Republicans. Yes, the cucks. The Panicky Horses who immediately begin stampeding when their leftist twitter friends spook them with some anti-Trump agitprop.

Moderate Republicans have the weakest wills, the strongest need to "fit in" with other people, and are the MOST easily influenced by Google and FaceBook manipulations.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (PbpT7)

308 Studies found that from 60% to 100% of people were influenced by these manipulated search terms -- if a search result comes up all positive, they almost all think "Wow, that person is a good person." 

Studies have found that 10% to 20% of actual votes can be shifted by this kind of search result manipulation. 

The guy who first wrote this up in 2013 for the Washington Post WAS BLOCKED FROM USING GOOGLE starting the very next day after the study was published! 

Google claimed "coincidence." 

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (PbpT7)

I have sleepless nights realizing that if someone competent was leading Google's censorship efforts, we'd have no way to document any of this, much less prove it. But you're right. Seize their algos and share them with the world. Then disemploy the legions of SJWs.

Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (qqEFK)

309 Just read that Harris and Booker have retained their seat.

You may be wondering: "How the hell did that happen?".

McConnell not only didn't shrink the committee, he F'ing expanded it!

You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM


Dude. We will have one, maybe two more SCOTUS nominations before 2020.

The last one was a ratings bonanza! Everything you could want! Action! RomCom! Pathos!

Here's a Pro Tip: You don't get those without players. Premium players. I'm expanding the ensemble.

Are you not entertained?

Posted by: McTurtle at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (ctuyM)

310 305
216 I see the potential for much wider exposure. How does First: The Movie strike you?



meh. it'll probably just be a warmed over angry birds.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 12, 2018 05:09 PM (NmR1a)
Not if you let me write the script.

Posted by: guy ritchie at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (37IEG)

311 301 Who hosts the Academy Awards?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)

Someone who is not funny.

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (+ZMGe)

312
Maybe we won't have a yellow jacket movement, how about a Howard Beal, "were not going to take it anymore" movement?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby


Howard got called into a room was was told the facts of life.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (aKsyK)

313 Old and busted: Too big to fail

New hotness: To big to govern


These tech companies have the power to determine elections all over the world --- and we think a Rep. or Senator will stop them?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (W+vEI)

314 Gold is the new brass?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (bQtop)

315 @301 Who hosts the Academy Awards?
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Bruce Campbell has apparently tweeted that he's up for it.


Posted by: junior at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (Fp6vo)

316 311 301 Who hosts the Academy Awards?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)

Someone who is not funny.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (+ZMGe)

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I nominate Janet Reno.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (Gsi5v)

317 37 Yeah.... I can't see how any US company could publish a Blasphemy Ap...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 12, 2018 03:34 PM (NgKpN)


We were way ahead of the times.

Posted by: Flag.gov and AttackWatch.com at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (DTX3h)

318 The example I keep using is, imagine if AT&T started regulating what conservatives were saying on the telephone. Or even not giving telephone service to outspoken conservatives. I'm sure you can make some silly "but they own the lines, so that means they can do that!!" argument, but I really think the political ramifications far outweigh any sort of free market capitalism bullshit.

I do think it would be far easier to just pass some draconian privacy laws on Big Tech to hobble them rather than go after them on monopoly grounds, mainly because Republicans really are like the stereotype and worship at the altar of what rich CEOs tell them is "conservative"

Also regulate them like a utility on who gets access or who gets censored.

Posted by: Blago at December 12, 2018 05:11 PM (UfkIY)

319 plus the secret decoder whistle ring held by GTE!
Posted by: AT&Sauron at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM


-... . / ... ..- .-. . / - --- / -.. .-. .. -. -.- / -.-- --- ..- .-. / --- ...- .- .-.. - .. -. . .-.-.-

Posted by: GTEleaks at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (ctuyM)

320 Joy Bahar should host the Acadamy Awards. Truly a ratings can t miss.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (zcM+Q)

321 311 301 Who hosts the Academy Awards?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)

Someone who is not funny.

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (+ZMGe)



Tanned, rested, and Ready!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (9X624)

322 These tech companies have the power to determine elections all over the world --- and we think a Rep. or Senator will stop them?

Posted by: Lizzy

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Hell, they even told us themselves: The U.S. of A can be completely undermined with $4,700 worth of advertising!

Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (DuecJ)

323 I would watch the Oscars if James Woods hosted.

Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (DuecJ)

324 Nothing says "We are NOT a monopoly" like buying up the voices on all sides to make sure no one else (of note) gets an alternative opinion out there.


When Fannie/Freddie were bloating up the housing market, and selling their junk house loans as AAA, it was said that they had so much money that they bought up all the lobbyists, either to lobby for them of to "stand down". Franklin Raines (Gorelick was in on it) testified they were leveraged 25:1 (banks were 9:1) and that they were safe at 50:1.

Raines made millions in bonuses by floating out his junk into other subprime markets, and goosing his numbers ... before the collapse and massive bailouts .. for the bankers, not the losers that took out the loans.


Massive money to be made when these monopolies go to DC and get government to back them up. And then they buy all the lobbyists, a monopoly over the lobbying in DC ... is a BFD.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (Cus5s)

325 309 Just read that Harris and Booker have retained their seat.

You may be wondering: "How the hell did that happen?".

McConnell not only didn't shrink the committee, he F'ing expanded it!

You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 05:04 PM

Dude. We will have one, maybe two more SCOTUS nominations before 2020.

The last one was a ratings bonanza! Everything you could want! Action! RomCom! Pathos!

Here's a Pro Tip: You don't get those without players. Premium players. I'm expanding the ensemble.

Are you not entertained?
Posted by: McTurtle at December 12, 2018 05:10 PM (ctuyM)
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LOL!

Posted by: WisRich at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (G0vdT)

326 Trump says the people would revolt if he's impeached.
Damned skippy!!!

My apologies if this has been discussed previously. It's either go thru the thread or enjoy a beer.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (h8FRs)

327 >>> Why the Republicans don't neuter a major enemy by restricting loans to Gender Studies majors, I have no idea- oh wait, banks.

The education bubble will not fully burst until trust fund kids are no longer bankrolled by their yuppie parents and have to fork out the bill for their education themselves. Or the parents expect results for their money. Thus the bubble keeps getting kicked down the road, and prices for college degrees keep escalating. 'Tis madness.

Come to think of it, I'm 99% sure that half of the apartments in NYC rented to millennials are being paid for by their parents. You will not get their generation to grow up until the elites among them have to pay their own bills.

Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (hvf9s)

328 Hillary! could host the Academy Awards!

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (+ZMGe)

329 Hell, they even told us themselves: The U.S. of A can be completely undermined with $4,700 worth of advertising!
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:12 PM (DuecJ)

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Well sure, but only if you know how to deploy it.

Posted by: A Russian Bot at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (Gsi5v)

330 323 I would watch the Oscars if James Woods hosted.
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (DuecJ)

Absolutely. He would never do it.

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (+ZMGe)

331 Whoopie should host the Academy Awards!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (d7Ww2)

332 Ace should host the Unfucked Academy Awards.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:15 PM (zcM+Q)

333 I would watch the Oscars if James Woods hosted.
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018

******

Oh Hell yes!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:15 PM (h8FRs)

334 Whoopie should host the Academy Awards!
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (d7Ww2)

I took a great Woopie this AM

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2018 05:15 PM (yWXpx)

335 Whoopie and Joy and Hillary!

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:15 PM (+ZMGe)

336 I always thought it was smorgasboard.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (PUmDY)

337 If you're looking for Not Funny, then Chevy Chase is your go-to guy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (Gsi5v)

338 Trump should host the Oscars.

Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (DuecJ)

339 I predict another 19% drop in academy award viewship again this year. What are people watching instead?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (bQtop)

340 When do you see the magic of market forces correcting that? And how many generations of Brainwashed Socialist Retards are we willing to put up with while we wait for the Magic of Market Forces to unfuck the academy?

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (PbpT7)


Regarding brainwashed socialist retards, I'd rather see the government(s) do their friggin jobs and get the education systems back in order. That's a much bigger problem than Google's search engine (which I've never used and I don't know why many people do use it when others are more than adequate) and is more the government's['] responsibility. Take all that wasted money away from funding idiots in college who have no business there and straighten out the K-12 public schools that are currently serving as perverted, socialist training grounds - and there is absolutely no exaggeration there.

That's what I want to see government do about the brainwashed socialist dipshits in this country, first. What they should have done decades ago. Where so much tax money is just wasted, and worse, used against our own country and society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (oRu+u)

341 Ace,

Maybe we should pimp you out as our Reverse Rubin--a life-long Leftist driven to the arms of the Orange Monster because your beloved Democrat Party has gone too far over the cliff.

A smart anti-military blogger gone #NeverSchumer!

Why not?--everybody else is playing games.

ps; I used to think of Mencken as a cynical polemicist. I now think of him as a clinical scientist reporting facts about our Gangsta Government.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (Ndje9)

342 >>> Who hosts the Academy Awards?

Can we nominate Joss Whedon? Then all of the skeletons in his closet about how he treats girls at cons will HAVE to come out.

Who else can we nominate that, in exposing their past sins, would tank their chances but expose them for the creeps they are?

Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:17 PM (hvf9s)

343
The education bubble will not fully burst until trust fund kids are no longer bankrolled by their yuppie parents and have to fork out the bill for their education themselves. Or the parents expect results for their money. Thus the bubble keeps getting kicked down the road, and prices for college degrees keep escalating. 'Tis madness. 

Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:13 PM (hvf9s)

True, but it's a lot less likely than a debt explosion in the middle classes.

Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:17 PM (qqEFK)

344 Whoopie and Joy and Hillary!

Posted by: m

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Damn. That could be the cast for a sequel to Hocus Pocus!

Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:17 PM (DuecJ)

345 Unfuck the Academy would make a fine bumper sticker.

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See that black lezbo "comedian" Wanda Sykes looks like a go to host the Oscars. That'll bring 'em in!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:17 PM (+y/Ru)

346 If you're looking for Not Funny, then Chevy Chase is your go-to guy.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (Gsi5v)

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Yep, and a complete and total asshole to go along with no talent.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (ffYR/)

347 Hell, they even told us themselves: The U.S. of A can be completely undermined with $4,700 worth of advertising!
Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:12

*******

I wonder. Does that include taxes?

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (h8FRs)

348 Who hosts the Academy Awards?
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its gonna be will and grace.

bet you five bucks.

Posted by: simplemind at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (snB0C)

349 331
Whoopie should host the Academy Awards!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2018 05:14 PM (d7Ww2)
Like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

Posted by: Michael Visbull at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (37IEG)

350 I predict another 19% drop in academy award viewship again this year. What are people watching instead?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby


Netflix. The Ranch. The Incredible Mrs. Maisel. Patriot. Narco: Mexico. Rake.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (ftdxp)

351 You know, before Corporate America ended up in the pockets of the left (mostly due to Silicon Valley), the Left used to accuse the Right of being in pockets of Corporate America.

Blind squirrel finds a nut.

Posted by: Orson at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (zNz/a)

352 That's what I want to see government do about the brainwashed socialist dipshits in this country, first. What they should have done decades ago. Where so much tax money is just wasted, and worse, used against our own country and society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:16 PM (oRu+u)

Which is why the government would never stop the process. Jerry Pournelle said the educational system was like one imposed by a hostile foreign power. I reply that the Soviets had a better run of education in Poland than Americans have had in decades.

Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (qqEFK)

353
133 You know who else had Lupus? Jim Phelps of the IMF...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2018 03:44 PM (/9p9e)

I thought he had Graves Disease.
Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 03:46 PM (lwiT4)


I heard that he had nonconvertible debentures

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (ugwJg)

354 Google new slogan: Fvck It! Do Evil!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (+y/Ru)

355 Paint pealing.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:19 PM (PUmDY)

356 Harvey Weinstein should host the Academy Awards. In a bath robe.

Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (786Ro)

357 I wonder. Does that include taxes?
Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:18 PM (h8FRs)

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Taxes? They didn't buy gift baskets.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (Gsi5v)

358 So an Indian couple -- Ambani (27) and Anand Piramal (33) -- just had a $100 million wedding.

Guests included Beyonce, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.

I assume that the Kerrys and Clintons are just old family friends of the Piramals.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (fuK7c)

359 299 When do you see the magic of market forces correcting that? And how many generations of Brainwashed Socialist Retards are we willing to put up with while we wait for the Magic of Market Forces to unfuck the academy?

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:59 PM (PbpT7)

One. As in one year, not one generation. The student loan bubble is going to explode, and who knows what the hell will replace it. Why the Republicans don't neuter a major enemy by restricting loans to Gender Studies majors, I have no idea- oh wait, banks.

...

Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:07 PM (qqEFK)


No. The answer "one" applies only to how long it would take the current regime to collapse. I think that's way too optimistic, but leave that aside. It misses the point. That is mere destruction, not correction.

It's likely it will take several lifetimes to construct an education system remotely comparably to what we had a century ago.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (VaN/j)

360 Double barrel Remington from S-Mart, found in the sporting goods department for 109.95. Shop smart at S-Mart.
Hear Hear!

Posted by: Eromero at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (zLDYs)

361
I assume that the Kerrys and Clintons are just old family friends of the Piramals.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (fuK7c)
Yes, Pedo Island has moved to the Bay of Bengal.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (37IEG)

362 Two things need to happen:

The monopolies need to be broken up.

And Article 230 needs to be revised. It's the part of the law that protects the tech giants. It makes them 'platforms' rather than what they've become, 'publishers'. Google has literally argued that even the Civil Rights Act cannot apply to their online activities.

If they want Article 230 platform protection, then the law should state that they must behave like a platform. As it stands now, they receive that protection by default.

But, good luck with that when we have deliberately stupid Congress critters asking the Google CEO how much RAM they need to download to program their VCRs.

Posted by: The Ghost of Future Deplatformed People at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (9K7s5)

363 Google new slogan: Fvck It! Do Evil!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

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Google new slogan: Call Evil Good and Good Evil.

Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (DuecJ)

364 >>Uh ... government MADE the monopoly of Mas Bell.

>>And much of Bell wanted to be broken up because they had tons of technology that they weren't allowed to market.

I'm pretty familiar with the place having worked there and all. There was no real move to break the company apart pre-divestiture. I'm not saying there weren't a few geeks at Bell Labs who didn't want to get rid of the bureaucracy but it was just a few guys talking, no real effort.

And post-divestiture demonstrated why. The place was a shit show that had absolutely no idea how to compete because they never really had to. That's the danger of monopolies, they never have to get any better after a certain point because they aren't really competing. They just own markets. and they get fat and lazy and invention is retarded.

I then spent many years working for startups that only happened because of the break up of Ma Bell on network based technologies including the internet for years and the difference was night and day. Innovations were happening on a monthly and sometimes weekly basis.

It doesn't matter how monopolies come to be, and don't kid yourself a ton of Googles growth is directly attributable to government contracts, what matters is once they exist are they an overall market good or bad. The answer is pretty clear. And Google is a monopoly.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (/tuJf)

365 The obvious answer to the Academy Awards host is Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (VaN/j)

366 Guests included Beyonce, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.

I assume that the Kerrys and Clintons are just old family friends of the Piramals.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (fuK7c)

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If there's a hosted bar, Hillary will find it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (Gsi5v)

367 >>> True, but it's a lot less likely than a debt explosion in the middle classes.

I see that being solved by Gen Z (bless their based selves, I am loving this generation.) More of them plan to self learn online and forgo the college trap altogether. Avoid the massive debt. Smart kiddos. But there will always be elite class yammering to get into Hahvahd and the other ivy league places. Those schools will never feel the pain. It will be the smaller colleges in flyover states that suffer, not those causing the majority of the problems by being the pioneers of leftist SJW thought.

Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (hvf9s)

368 Harvey Weinstein should host the Academy Awards. In a bath robe.

Posted by: Hands

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In a towel... like an evil version of Paul Bellini.

Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (DuecJ)

369 Looks like May survived the vote. So instead of someone new who would be totally unprepared and bungle everything even worse, the UK opts to stick with someone old who is totally unprepared and who will continue to bungle everything.

Count me as unsurprised.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (k1TUh)

370 Double barrel Remington from S-Mart, found in the sporting goods department for 109.95. Shop smart at S-Mart.
Hear Hear!
Posted by: Eromero at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM


I said it's all you need, want, or should have.

Posted by: Jos. Biden at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (ctuyM)

371 Hillary could treat the audience of the awards to a 90 minute coughathon. Then do a projectile vomit and for an encore stroke out complete with her patented googley eyed stare into infinity.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:23 PM (zcM+Q)

372 The obvious answer to the Academy Awards host is Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS

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I'll see if I can fix it for her!

Posted by: Debbie Washerwoman-Shits at December 12, 2018 05:24 PM (DuecJ)

373 Fancy a guess at who accompanied Ms. Clinton to the wedding?

Huma.

You're gobsmacked, I know. I was too.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2018 05:24 PM (ctuyM)

374 It doesn't matter how monopolies come to be, and don't kid yourself a ton of Googles growth is directly attributable to government contracts, what matters is once they exist are they an overall market good or bad.

Ma Bell didn't get to be a monopoly just because they had government contracts. They were a legislatively sanctioned monopoly and most of the anti-competitive stuff was due to that legislation (federal and state) that was created around Ma Bell.

The answer is pretty clear. And Google is a monopoly.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (/tuJf)


Still not.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (oRu+u)

375 365 The obvious answer to the Academy Awards host is Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:21 PM (VaN/j)

We need to find a way to get the idea to her. She'll say yes.

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (+ZMGe)

376 "I think we've recognized that the company is generally seen as liberal by policymakers."

Because it is, assuming that "liberal" is a euphemism for a combination of neo-feudalism and moonbattery.

You can tell that some congresscritters are on to what is actually happening at many of the tech giants, Google included. They're not directing abuses from the top down, they're simply looking the other way and trusting their nutty culture to get things done.

Alphabet in particular hires a bunch of shrill lunatics, giving them access to data and control over services, then deliberately refusing to monitor them or hold them accountable. This is EXACTLY where, for example, the steady stream of schizophrenic Youtube bans and censorings is coming from. There is a lot more plausable deniability there than centralized algo-based efforts like what Twitter and Reddit often engage in.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (eAshZ)

377 Hillary could treat the audience of the awards to a 90 minute coughathon. Then do a projectile vomit and for an encore stroke out complete with her patented googley eyed stare into infinity.

Posted by: Xipe Totec

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But her entrance would be STAGGERING!

Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (DuecJ)

378 They must have brought in the Japanese to get the Hillbot to move like that with Horseface. You just know Hill was the Top at the end of the night in the hotel room though.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (bQtop)

379 Fancy a guess at who accompanied Ms. Clinton to the wedding?

Huma.

You're gobsmacked, I know. I was too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax



I just threw up in my mouth. A lot.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (ftdxp)

380
301 Who hosts the Academy Awards?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 12, 2018 05:08 PM (bQtop)


Who own the Chiefs?

Owns

Who owns the Chiefs?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 12, 2018 05:26 PM (ugwJg)

381 Lol, Biden Romney 3rd party

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:26 PM (PUmDY)

382 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez should host the Oscars!

Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at December 12, 2018 05:26 PM (sf1AO)

383 371 Hillary could treat the audience of the awards to a 90 minute coughathon. Then do a projectile vomit and for an encore stroke out complete with her patented googley eyed stare into infinity.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:23 PM (zcM+Q)

What no pant shitting?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2018 05:26 PM (4ErVI)

384 Fancy a guess at who accompanied Ms. Clinton to the wedding?

Huma.

You're gobsmacked, I know. I was too.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at

Yes and she wore the same big blue mumu, no make-up, and greasy hair. She really looks like she smells bad.

Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (G+Wff)

385 even if monopolies aren't bad at the moment, they are guaranteed to go bad sooner or later. Same principle applies to political dynasties and royalty - doesn't matter how good things are today, a stinker is coming. So, best policy is to always get rid of them as a matter of course.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (k1TUh)

386 I have to go back to my earlier point. While not so far off as socialism, laissez faire is ALSO predicated on a belief that runs contrary to human nature. All the economic forces that (undoubtedly, unlike socialism) SHOULD work to prevent the problems with monopoly will never really be allowed to operate as such. Human corruption will always find ways to distort them.

A much more useful argument would be what to do about that. Given the equally certain truth that politicians are just as corrupt, and almost always less competent, where do we find an answer?

My own instinct is extreme subsidiarity, whenever possible. But I know that it's far from perfect, and often unobtainable.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (VaN/j)

387 I'm shocked, SHOCKED that there's Google money polluting Conservatism, Inc.!

Your google money, sir?

Thank you.

Posted by: The Morning Dolt at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (76Nxz)

388 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez should host the Oscars!

Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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We could all form a caravan and head there to demand our free Oscar statuettes!

Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (DuecJ)

389 383
Doesn t really work for tv. No odor.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (zcM+Q)

390
I see that being solved by Gen Z (bless their based selves, I am loving this generation.) More of them plan to self learn online and forgo the college trap altogether. Avoid the massive debt. Smart kiddos. But there will always be elite class yammering to get into Hahvahd and the other ivy league places. Those schools will never feel the pain. It will be the smaller colleges in flyover states that suffer, not those causing the majority of the problems by being the pioneers of leftist SJW thought.

Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2018 05:22 PM (hvf9s)

Hah, I agree. They still don't deserce to be shackled to the absymal K-12, but something tells me they'll sort that out too.

As for elite credentials: that, I do not worry about. University level debating is more of a minstrel show than actual accomplishment, and convergence always kills the companies that indulge in them. When student loans become inaccessible to arts students, the social value of a trust fund education will plummet. Dramatically.

Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (qqEFK)

391 >>Guests included Beyonce, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.

I assume that the Kerrys and Clintons are just old family friends of the Piramals.




FWIW, rumor has it Hillz was paid to be there.
Regardless, I'm sure it's a transactional relationship.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (W+vEI)

392 Who own the Chiefs?

Owns

Who owns the Chiefs?




Oooohnze!

Classic.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (fuK7c)

393 Who owns the Chiefs?"

I forget who owns the Chiefs, but Patrick Mahomes owns the NFL this year.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (k1TUh)

394 Are we a nation of laws or a nation of corporate interests who pay "conservatives" a lot of money to see those interests advanced, largely behind the scenes?
Posted by: Ace of Spades



To ask the question is to answer it.

Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (786Ro)

395 The obvious answer to the Academy Awards host is



Michael Obama.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM (ftdxp)

396 Hang on to your hats! It looks like the Russkis lied!

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46538126

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:29 PM (+y/Ru)

397 Who owns the Chiefs?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM)



Ben Shapiro. With FACTS and LOGIC.

Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:29 PM (786Ro)

398 385 even if monopolies aren't bad at the moment, they are guaranteed to go bad sooner or later. Same principle applies to political dynasties and royalty - doesn't matter how good things are today, a stinker is coming. So, best policy is to always get rid of them as a matter of course.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:27 PM (k1TUh)


While I sympathize (read my previous comments) I have a problem with this. Not that it's false, but that it is true for all human endeavor. Including the act of getting rid of them. So we're left with nothing, if we leave it at that.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:29 PM (VaN/j)

399 Google uses its overwhelming dominance to buy out upstarts and move into additional fields, which they then also dominate.

And all those fields serve their data-mining operation, and they show an ideological bias that they are willing to leverage using that dominance. Break them the fuck up.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 12, 2018 05:30 PM (oVJmc)

400 How do WE get some of that sweet Google money?

We're conservative, and Ace is influential, and besides, Google has enough money to fund a real, honest to Gawd, all expenses paid National MoMe.



This is a deal just waiting to be made, Ace.

And during the MoMe, the 'rons and 'ettes can have a contest to write the biggest slams on Google, so Ace doesn't have to work and can just post the winners.


I don't see a downside here.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (UsCnO)

401 It's likely it will take several lifetimes to construct an education system remotely comparably to what we had a century ago.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (VaN/j)

How do you figure? Older, useful methods of education are still available, and can be picked up very quickly. Software makes teaching and feedback very fast, even when the majority of teachers are terminated.

Why should rebuilding take inordinate amounts of time or money?

Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (qqEFK)

402 FWIW, rumor has it Hillz was paid to be there.
Regardless, I'm sure it's a transactional relationship.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM


So she didn't go to curry, but rather for curry.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (ctuyM)

403 Kinda sad that apparently my principles are not worth buying out.

Cheaper to just kill me, I guess.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (mfOi4)

404 Note to self: there's big money in being a faux conservative.

Posted by: Regular joe channeling Paul Rino at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (7PllL)

405 Not that it's false, but that it is true for all human endeavor. Including the act of getting rid of them. So we're left with nothing, if we leave it at that."

True, but - if you have multiple paths, multiple companies, multiple solutions for the problems, then it is extremely unlikely they will all go bad at once. Redundancy, or as Wretchard has written, Design Margin. That's where the safety margin comes from.

When all of a societies eggs are in one basket, and that basket falls, that society is over. No recourse. Venezuela is experiencing that today.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:32 PM (k1TUh)

406 402 FWIW, rumor has it Hillz was paid to be there.
Regardless, I'm sure it's a transactional relationship.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:28 PM

So she didn't go to curry, but rather for curry.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (ctuyM)

I wonder how the photo got out.

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:33 PM (+ZMGe)

407 >>Note to self: there's big money in being a faux conservative useful idiot.

...until you're no longer useful, that its.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2018 05:33 PM (W+vEI)

408 Note to self: there's big money in being a faux conservative.
Posted by: Regular joe channeling Paul Rino at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (7PllL)

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There is. Score a gig as a paycheck Conservative and your job is safe no matter which way politics goes.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 12, 2018 05:33 PM (ffYR/)

409 The blue suit, just bought hat and red phone cover are funny in the picture.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at December 12, 2018 05:34 PM (PUmDY)

410 378 They must have brought in the Japanese to get the Hillbot to move like that with Horseface.

396 Hang on to your hats! It looks like the Russkis lied!

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46538126


i'm thinking these two are related

Posted by: Anachronda at December 12, 2018 05:34 PM (NmR1a)

411 Why should rebuilding take inordinate amounts of time or money?xz'

Because first you have to kill all of the people and organizations who's existence depends on keeping everything exactly the way it is.

Reform is far, far more difficult that building it right from scratch. Reformers may know the right thing to do, but they will be fought, and fought hard, every step of the way.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh)

412 "Still not.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (oRu+u)"
Google has subsumed a number of industries through the model of contract/lease external data, build internal project to replicate it with streamlined collection and collation, then launch something to compete with their former partners, driving them into the ground by integrating it into their other products and services.
That wouldn't really bother me all that much, except they virtually always then fail to maintain their new toy because it's managed by a bunch of hipsters, and even before it starts failing it invariably becomes weaponized for political purposes.
An industrial age comparison would be if a single automaker-plus-oil company rendered horse transport obsolete. Then as soon as horses and horse infrastructure was no longer commonly available, all of their new production cars went to shit, spare parts dried up, and mismanagement lead to oil and gasoline shortages all over. During which, company employees took the opportunity on their own to make sure political opponents got lemons, no parts, and no oil/gas purely because they could get away with it.
That's happening now in a lot of ways not immediately evident to the public. At some point we're due something along the lines of nailing the 95 theses to the door in regards to all this bullshit, assuming something really awful doesn't happen first.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 12, 2018 05:35 PM (eAshZ)

413 Ugh, formatting went batty.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 12, 2018 05:36 PM (eAshZ)

414 Hey everybody.

Mmmm, paprika farts!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:36 PM (miE9U)

415 Great News Horde, The Morning Rant was linked at Insty!

Posted by: Surfperch at December 12, 2018 05:36 PM (tYPH9)

416 assuming something really awful doesn't happen first."

after the last election, I've decided to cheer for the idea of something really awful happening.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:37 PM (k1TUh)

417 some wimp who isn't funny and thinks he's smart?

"and here is your new host for the Academy Awards... Joooooonah GOLDberg!!"

*scattered claps, a cough*

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 05:38 PM (HofIn)

418 So she didn't go to curry, but rather for curry.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (ctuyM)

I wonder how the photo got out.
Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:33 PM (+ZMGe)

I hate to think what she smells like.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 12, 2018 05:38 PM (aCNZ6)

419 There's another problem: Timescale.

Let's say I agree that Google will become so thuggish in its censorship and INTERFERENCE WITH US ELECTIONS (just like RUSSIA!) that a competitor will eventually rise and become its equal.

What is the time scale we're talking about? 10 years? 20 years? NEVER?! (Some monopolies are too powerful and remain in place forever.)

Should we just wait for the magic of the self-correcting market for 20 or 30 years while we're censored, surveilled, and manipulated politically? After 30 years of Google stacking the deck for Democrats, what exactly would be left of America to conserve?
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2018 04:45 PM (PbpT7)


Or, to sum it up more succinctly, "In the long run we're all dead."

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 12, 2018 05:39 PM (wCmLp)

420 Awwww! Isn't that precious? Check this photo of the Steering Committee of the Democratic Socialists of America.

https://bit.ly/2zYyBav

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:39 PM (+y/Ru)

421 @398 While I sympathize (read my previous comments) I have a problem with this. Not that it's false, but that it is true for all human endeavor. Including the act of getting rid of them. So we're left with nothing, if we leave it at that.
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Plus, you're not going to get the necessary will needed to break them up until a company or organization becomes a problem. For instance, Amazon is probably on the verge of achieving monopoly status in the book-selling industry (their only major competitor that I'm aware of right now is Barnes and Noble, and that company appears to be on the financial brink right now). But while Jeff Bezos certainly has certain political views that he makes known, to date those views don't appear to have corrupted Amazon's primary business of selling books. For instance, I don't have to worry that Amazon will stop carrying books by Larry Correia. So nothing's likely to happen to Amazon any time soon.

Posted by: junior at December 12, 2018 05:39 PM (Fp6vo)

422 416 assuming something really awful doesn't happen first."

after the last election, I've decided to cheer for the idea of something really awful happening.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:37 PM (k1TUh)


I think that's inevitable now.

Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2018 05:40 PM (xjiRE)

423 Make Amazon Great Again!

Posted by: Faux Conservative at December 12, 2018 05:40 PM (Tyii7)

424 144
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Posted by: GooMazonCIA HQ at December 12, 2018 03:48 PM (DuAZ5)

So, I'm not a nobody! I'm a somebody!

Posted by: AoS readers and posters at December 12, 2018 05:40 PM (UsCnO)

425 OT: The Coward of Broward Scot Peterson is being sued by some of the families who lost their children. Peterson through his lawyer claimed that he had no legal obligation to run into the building to confront shooter. Judge ruled that he did have an obligation to respond as an RSO so the trial will move forward.

I looked for the article that I read this from so I could link it but like a moron, can't find it now.

Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:41 PM (G+Wff)

426

How do WE get some of that sweet Google money?

We're
conservative, and Ace is influential, and besides, Google has enough
money to fund a real, honest to Gawd, all expenses paid National MoMe.



This is a deal just waiting to be made, Ace.

And
during the MoMe, the 'rons and 'ettes can have a contest to write the
biggest slams on Google, so Ace doesn't have to work and can just post
the winners.


I don't see a downside here.


I've been after Ace for years to turn this place into a think tank so we could secure some of that sweet moolah. That way, we can keep on doing what we're doing and get paid rather handsomely too.
Win/win FTW!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:41 PM (HaL55)

427 401 It's likely it will take several lifetimes to construct an education system remotely comparably to what we had a century ago.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:20 PM (VaN/j)

How do you figure? Older, useful methods of education are still available, and can be picked up very quickly. Software makes teaching and feedback very fast, even when the majority of teachers are terminated.

Why should rebuilding take inordinate amounts of time or money?
Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:31 PM (qqEFK)


Because the inheritance is no made up of parts labeled "good" and "bad". And besides, it was a compound of different goals which had evolved into an imperfect but viable mix. Really, it was already having problems by a century ago. The "credential for work" was already in place, and in some ways and in some areas was there for centuries. But the whole edifice was never meant for that, and never really adapted to the distinction between Arts and Sciences. (And note that, in the old scheme, "Arts" meant things like Engineering.)

Further, the role of eduction in today's society isn't what it was in 1900. It's not clear there's anything like a consensus, outside those it now favors, of what it should be. There is an obvious split on the right between those who think the liberal arts are the key, and must be rescued, and those who want to write them off and concentrate on STEM only.

When you tear something down, you just can't put it back together in the form it once held. (Burke's point.)

Not that I don't think we'd be better off without the abomination we have now.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:41 PM (VaN/j)

428 I'm a somebody!

The new phone books are here!!!

Posted by: Captain Navin Kristol at December 12, 2018 05:42 PM (Tyii7)

429 @425 OT: The Coward of Broward Scot Peterson is being sued by some of the families who lost their children. Peterson through his lawyer claimed that he had no legal obligation to run into the building to confront shooter. Judge ruled that he did have an obligation to respond as an RSO so the trial will move forward.
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I don't think that's going to hold up on appeal. I'm pretty sure that the US Supreme Court has expressly ruled in a way that supports the arguments of Peterson's lawyer.

Posted by: junior at December 12, 2018 05:43 PM (Fp6vo)

430

I looked for the article that I read this from so I could link it but like a moron, can't find it now.

Check your web browser's history. If you looked at it, it should be there.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:44 PM (HaL55)

431 Just read the top entry in the sidebar. WTH? Has Ace been chugging the hoochie pop?

Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:45 PM (786Ro)

432 "Check your web browser's history"

hey, I totally didn't go to THAT site. I must have been hacked.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2018 05:45 PM (HofIn)

433 411 Why should rebuilding take inordinate amounts of time or money?xz'

Because first you have to kill all of the people and organizations who's existence depends on keeping everything exactly the way it is.

Reform is far, far more difficult that building it right from scratch. Reformers may know the right thing to do, but they will be fought, and fought hard, every step of the way.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh)


Yes. Plus many of their reforms will be mistakes, too. We are human. Failure is baked in.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 12, 2018 05:46 PM (VaN/j)

434 Many of the problems with higher education today stem from our own courts and Congress, which stopped employers from using many effective and fair tools to decide who they wanted to hire. So, the degree, any degree, gained much more importance than its actual significance.

Most problems with anti-competitive issues stem from the government - mostly our courts. To use that same government (and courts) to be even more anti-competitive is just a race to the bottom.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:46 PM (oRu+u)

435 Nood appeared, and vanished.

David Pecker of Nat'l Enquirer takes immunity to testify that he paid off McDougal to silence her during the campaign.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 12, 2018 05:46 PM (qUh6B)

436 Oh no! It's not like unfunny Lezbo comedians are a dime a dozen!

Ellen to end show?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 12, 2018 05:46 PM (+y/Ru)

437 OAB: Too big to fail

NAShiny: Too big to run out of money for lawyers.

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 12, 2018 05:47 PM (RuIsu)

438


hey, I totally didn't go to THAT site. I must have been hacked.

Suuuurre you didn't...

- XXOO Bob from NSA

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:47 PM (HaL55)

439 All your suspicions are true

+++

The Earth is FLAT!!!!

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 12, 2018 05:48 PM (z2W2E)

440 "Check your web browser's history"


I did and still can't find it. Did I mention that I'm a moron?

Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:48 PM (G+Wff)

441 It may not be popular in the Moronosphere, but I'll defend AEI and CEI, and Goodlatte too on this issue. They are holding on to the same "keep government out of the internet" views they held before the 2016 election. Slamming them for opposing Washington using anti-trust law as a political tool is demanding that they be like Jen Rubin (ptui) and reverse all the conservative views they held because [Orange Man Good | Orange Man Bad]

Posted by: Otto Zilch at December 12, 2018 05:48 PM (Liq26)

442 What's the big dealio here? The FBI does it, the Vatican does it, - is it so surprising that the Googs would do it too?

It's called levering your core competencies with your stakeholders to maximize your collective synergies.

Posted by: Fritz at December 12, 2018 05:49 PM (Z9C5C)

443

I did and still can't find it. Did I mention that I'm a moron?

Yes. Yes, you did. And if your nic is accurate, shouldn't you be a Moronette?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:49 PM (HaL55)

444 Yes - a moronette in every way.

Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:50 PM (G+Wff)

445 Bet nood will appear shortly

Posted by: Skip at December 12, 2018 05:51 PM (/rm4P)

446


Bet nood will appear shortly


Yep. It sure is quiet around here. A little too quiet...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 12, 2018 05:52 PM (HaL55)

447 Found article on Peterson

https://tinyurl.com/ydazop3u

Posted by: Cheri at December 12, 2018 05:52 PM (G+Wff)

448 Nood reappears.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 12, 2018 05:52 PM (qUh6B)

449 431 Just read the top entry in the sidebar. WTH? Has Ace been chugging the hoochie pop?
Posted by: Hands at December 12, 2018 05:45 PM (786Ro)

It is . . . odd.

Posted by: m at December 12, 2018 05:52 PM (+ZMGe)

450 So Jordan Peterson is hosting the Oscars? That's what the Bee says.

Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (lwiT4)

451 Fun qdpsteve fact of the day (that I got from Stereogum, not another site that begins with Q):

The very first #1 hit of the 1970s was "Raindrops Keep Falling' On My Head."

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (miE9U)

452 It may not be popular in the Moronosphere, but I'll defend AEI and CEI, and Goodlatte too on this issue. They are holding on to the same "keep government out of the internet" views they held before the 2016 election. Slamming them for opposing Washington using anti-trust law as a political tool is demanding that they be like Jen Rubin (ptui) and reverse all the conservative views they held because [Orange Man Good | Orange Man Bad]
Posted by: Otto Zilch
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That perspective was forfeit when Google accepted (government) protection from the statutes which constrain publishers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (w54mS)

453 Well, surprise, surprise, surprise!

Posted by: Gomer Pyle at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (rznWS)

454 429 @425 OT: The Coward of Broward Scot Peterson is being sued by some of the families who lost their children. Peterson through his lawyer claimed that he had no legal obligation to run into the building to confront shooter. Judge ruled that he did have an obligation to respond as an RSO so the trial will move forward.
-------------------

I don't think that's going to hold up on appeal. I'm pretty sure that the US Supreme Court has expressly ruled in a way that supports the arguments of Peterson's lawyer.
Posted by: junior


I don't have my copy of Dial 911 & Die, so I'm not sure if Florida has a duty to protect.

Will try to find it tomorrow.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (ftdxp)

455 Stefan Molyneux as Oscar host!

Posted by: RKae at December 12, 2018 05:53 PM (DuecJ)

456 gramme, Bob DeNiro will host the Oscars.

He'll just keeping shouting "Fcuk Trump!!" until everyone at the Dolby Theater orgasms themselves to death.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:54 PM (miE9U)

457
Bandersnatch, I loved that goalie in Slap Shot.
His "You feel shame" assertion about sitting in the penalty box cracks me up every time I see it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 12, 2018 05:54 PM (pNxlR)

458 Reform is far, far more difficult that building it right from scratch. Reformers may know the right thing to do, but they will be fought, and fought hard, every step of the way. 
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 12, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh) 

Agreed 100%, but that tends to support my theory of burn it all and build on the ashes. Education reform has been talked about since before I was born. It never works, and never will.

Yes, having a patchwork education system with different regional goals and priorities is hardly conducive to social and national unity, but the American nation is in no way united now. Some people will concentrate on STEM: some will try to recover the classical liberal arts. Still others will prioritize burning insane degeneracy out of the system, and that is arguably the larger priority.

Posted by: trev006 at December 12, 2018 05:54 PM (qqEFK)

459 412
"Still not.



Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 12, 2018 05:25 PM (oRu+u)"
Google
has subsumed a number of industries through the model of contract/lease
external data, build internal project to replicate it with streamlined
collection and collation, then launch something to compete with their
former partners, driving them into the ground by integrating it into
their other products and services.

---------------------------------------------------------------


Amazon, the other Monopolist, does the same thing with physical goods. All the time.

How does this work? It is ingenious and insidious at the same time.

1. Small Upstart Company invents and builds their new "widget".

2. Instead of building their own e-commerce website and their own warehouse to store and ship the widget, they instead utilize Amazon Merchant Services, where they ship their product to Amazon to store and ship it. It gets its own page on Amazon, and looks like any other product.

It costs SUC somewhere around 25% to 30% of the sales price, but Small Upstart Company is selling immediately, does not have to worry about fulfillment, and the Small Upstart Company saves the initial costs of funding their own warehouse and employees.

3. Amazon has incredible statistics on every part of the sale and fulfillment. They spot any new product that is selling well and is on an uptrend. After more analysis, they turn the information to another division, who then COPIES THE PRODUCT AND starts selling it. It is changed just enough to get around patent laws. They are getting real good at doing this.

4. Now Amazon has used the sales information to create a copy cat product and is legally selling against you, using your own sales data they track against Small Upstart Company.


Next time you see an Amazon box, notice the smile!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 12, 2018 05:55 PM (UsCnO)

460 nood

Posted by: tu3031 at December 12, 2018 05:56 PM (sf1AO)

461 456
gramme, Bob DeNiro will host the Oscars.



He'll just keeping shouting "Fcuk Trump!!" until everyone at the Dolby Theater orgasms themselves to death.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:54 PM (miE9U)

This could be useful. qdpsteve, you are on to something!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 12, 2018 05:57 PM (UsCnO)

462 His "You feel shame" assertion about sitting in the penalty box cracks me up every time I see it.


And you sit in the box. Two minutes. And you feel shame.


I use that in all sorts of inappropriate life situations whether it fits or not.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 12, 2018 05:57 PM (fuK7c)

463 LeftCoast Dawg, thanks :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 12, 2018 05:58 PM (miE9U)

464 Network effect is so a thing!

Posted by: DaveA at December 12, 2018 06:00 PM (FhXTo)

465 273
Completely OT, but my local supermarket just opened a bar in the store.

Now I can sit in comfort and enjoy a brew while Mrs D shops and not hide out in my car.

Damn I love 'Murica!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2018 05:02 PM (h8FRs)

Diogenes, which store? That sounds interesting.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 12, 2018 06:01 PM (UsCnO)

466 definitions of Forbidden Speech.

Sue the publisher.

Posted by: DaveA at December 12, 2018 06:03 PM (FhXTo)

467 How come I don't have google dollars.

Posted by: DaveM at December 12, 2018 06:39 PM (WWC3Y)

468 "He said negotiations over the bill showed how Google sometimes works with people who do not 'align 100 percent with our views.'"

When Google does get broken up, the Prager U lawsuit against Youtube will be a key part of the fed's argument.

Posted by: Brisco_County_Sr at December 12, 2018 10:41 PM (k6NDF)

469 "Are we a nation of laws or a nation of corporate interests who pay "conservatives" a lot of money to see those interests advanced, largely behind the scenes?"
-Ace of Spades

You are thick, but slowly the lights are coming on. This all ends in tears. Well, blood and tears.

Posted by: DFCtomm at December 14, 2018 03:35 PM (50gG9)

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