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"Black Saturday"? France Mobilizes 65,000 Security Forces In Anticipation of "Enormous Violence" in "Act IV"

A little update: Since this article, the number of security forces deployed in anticipation of "Black Saturday" increased from 65,000 to 89,000.

Le Figaro:

"Yellow Jackets:" How France Is Beefing Up Security for Saturday

Fearing that an "enormous violence" will be part of "Act IV" of the mobilization of the "Yellow Jackets," authorities have announced the mobilization of "exceptional measures" of more than 65,000 security forces deployed throughout France, and putting the finishing touches the security presence already in Paris.

As the fourth Saturday of mobilization of the "Yellow Jackets" approaches, l'Elyssee dreads that "an enormous violence" will explode in Paris this weekend. Throughout France, the calls to gather in Paris and demolish the current establishment rule are multiplying. Last week, a young man encountered by Le Figaro near the Saint-Lazare station was shouting: "This is not a protest, this is the Revolution!" Tuedsay night, on BFM TV, one of the leaders of the movement, Eric Drouet, had even declared wanting to "return" to l'Eyssee Saturday.

I think they mean he had gone to l'Eylsee, invited, for negotiations, but now wants to return uninvited. Kind of like a threat.

I think. Don't sue me. I'm not fluent in French.

"What is at stake, is the security of the French and our institutions," pronounced the Prime Minister Edouard Philippe Tuesday.


The authorities are thus totally mobilized for avoiding a "Black Saturday" in Paris.

...

The details of the [security] presence have not yet been made public, but a reinforcement of the number of police is already noted.

The gendarms have notably fought to recall many off-duty or on-leave units. Already reinforced this past Saturday, with 23 squadrons of mobile gendarmes--

Just a cool thing -- "gen d'armes" means "person of arms" or really, "Man at arms."

Medieval own watchmen, in other words.

...deployed in Paris, compared to 16 squadrons on November 24; the presence of the gendarmes will be increased yet further. What about the deployment of armored vehicles, an idea being explored according to La Parisien (newspaper)? A source close to the case responds to Le Figaro that these vehicles will indeed be present in reserve, as they were last week and as in many operations to maintain civic order, but nothing indicates at the moment that they will be used. "There aren't any tanks," reports this source.

An essential change of tactics is equally expected. According to [news site] RTL, the senior aide to the mayor of Pars, Emmanual Gregoire, had stressed that the prefecture of police would have "learned the lesson of the failure of last week, with a secure perimeter which tied down most of the forces without much efficacy," and were conscious of the need to adapt themselves to the mobility of the activist groups and the rioters." Gathered with the unions of police for the Minister of the Interior, the union Alliance confirmed that the presence of a "fan zone" [I'm guessing an area for supporters of the protesters, who are not themselves protesting; spectator stands, then?] in the Champs-Elysees sector last Saturday would not be reconstructed.

Cancellations and Closings in a Cascade

As for institutions and the wider public, preventative measures are in the works. According to information received by Le Figaro, a ranking minister had received an order to prohibit his workers and associated ministers from showing up for work this weekend, after the intelligence services warned them of "calls to kill and to arm up with guns for attacking parliamentarians, the government, the executive, and police."

Despite the calls from the minister of the Interior Chirstophe Castaner and the former Minister of the Transition Ecological Nicholas Hulot, the organizers of the march for the climate have announced that their own protest is going forward, in Paris as in the rest of France. On the other hand... [a bunch of soccer games are cancelled and many museums are closed].

So the people demanding the gas tax hikes will be protesting the same day the anti-gas tax Yellow Jackets will be staging Act IV.

And here's a map of the "zones sensibles" (sensitive zones, danger zones) this Saturday. Red depicts likely areas of Yellow Jacket protests, with an advisory for people to safeguard themselves; the green line depicts the intended path of the environmental marchers.

DangerMaP.png


You'll notice they meet at La Place de la Republique.

That'll be fun.

This video shows a "fan zone" in Paris for the World Cup.

So, in France, riots have fan zones.

Meanwhile, the opposition to Macron in the French National Assembly plans to file for a no-confidence vote against his government. (His government, but not him; I'll explain that in a moment.)

MPs from the French Socialist Party, the far-left La France Insoumise (LFI) and the French Communist Party (PCF), dissatisfied with the government's response to the "gilets jaunes" ("yellow vests") crisis, will file a motion of no confidence on Monday.

"In the coming days, we will seek to broaden the group of people who can file this motion with us including in other political groups," said Olivier Faure, head of the French Socialist Party, on Thursday as he stood with representatives of LFI and PCF.

Macron's just-invented party, En Marche!, has an outright of majority of seats in the assembly so this vote will probably fail.

A no-confidence vote can only be lodged against the government, headed by the PM Edouard Phillippe, and not the head of state, who is the President, Macron.

In France, Presidents are elected directly by the people every five years. They do not depend on legislative support and are not elected by the legislature. They cannot then be tossed out of office by a no-confidence vote.

The actual government -- the Prime Minister and other Ministers -- are, however, proposed by the President and then voted on by the legislature. So they do rely on legislative support.

So the PM Phillipe, the Minister of the Interior Castaner, etc., could be in danger due to a no-confidence vote. Macron would just have to reshuffle the cabinet and bring in a few new people while kicking old ones out and submit them for approval by the legislature.

As that article I translated yesterday mentioned, there is already talk that Phillipe might be on his way out, and talk that an even larger reshuffling is coming. This was before the report of a no-confidence vote. The source said that if Saturday's protests are violent, we could see Macron forced to shake up the government -- "In the best case, by the time of the European elections, in the worst case, by Christmas."

Flashball: There's a lot of controversy over the police's use of a less-lethal weapon called the flash-ball or flashball, which fires a rubber projectile with a lot of stopping power. French police use them for riot control.

A high school girl in Grenoble was just hit in the face with one of these and injured ("disfigured," her mother says).

Just something that might come up tomorrow. I figure, about a 90% chance that there are tweets complaining of flash-balls, and then someone from the stupid, stupid media and the Pretend Junior Media, Vox, guesses it's an incendiary round.

It's not a flash-bang as one might guess.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:03 PM




Comments

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1 first

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 07, 2018 01:01 PM (8D42x)

2 wow, had to relogin and it still gave me first.

nice.

now to fetch the others.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 07, 2018 01:01 PM (8D42x)

3 rd?

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 07, 2018 01:01 PM (8D42x)

4 th

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 07, 2018 01:01 PM (8D42x)

5 in a row

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 07, 2018 01:01 PM (8D42x)

6 ok, now I'm really going after the corgis

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 07, 2018 01:02 PM (8D42x)

7 I"m thirsty

Posted by: The tree of liberty at December 07, 2018 01:02 PM (KUaJL)

8 corgis called

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 07, 2018 01:02 PM (8D42x)

9 When it's french fighting against french, who surrenders?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 07, 2018 01:03 PM (KUaJL)

10 5th

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 07, 2018 01:03 PM (BqBId)

11 time for the 6th republic

Posted by: brak at December 07, 2018 01:03 PM (VckGX)

12 willowed so...

"Cory Booker took a DNA test that revealed he is seven percent Native American. "

Yeah. Azztec.

Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2018 01:03 PM (Tnijr)

13 or not

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 07, 2018 01:03 PM (BqBId)

14 Trump sends troops to the border to repel invaders, media freaks out.

Macron sends troops to Paris to repel French citizens, media ignores it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:04 PM (/tuJf)

15 Fake protests, real Government crackdown. 1 + 1 = 7 3/16

Posted by: The One Where They Burn Down Their Own Parliament And Then Blame Their Enemies at December 07, 2018 01:04 PM (uloIh)

16 How's the guillotine industry doing nowadays anyway?

Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2018 01:04 PM (Tnijr)

17 Spoke with my friends in France. It is going to be a wild weekend throughout the entire country.

Biggest fear is exploitation by the muslims from the no-go zones.

They may get the band back to together and go on the road.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2018 01:05 PM (H7LIz)

18 Wait. I thought French leadership acquiesced to their demands. How is this still ramping up?

Was this all about something else?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2018 01:05 PM (9qZ3S)

19 Looks like I picked the wrong day to vacation in Paris!

Posted by: Lloyd Bridges at December 07, 2018 01:05 PM (EMIUG)

20 "Yellow Jackets:" How France Is Beefing Up Security for Saturday


No way Georgia Tech fans are that rowdy and they don't even play in France.

Posted by: Bert G at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (OMsf+)

21
Lots more reds than greens by the looks of that map.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (/9p9e)

22 This is how Napoleon made his bones. He was the senior officer left in Paris when the royalists started rioting, so he pointed cannons at the crowds. Cleared things right up. Killed 1400.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (LWu6U)

23 Every Frenchmen with decent car insurance and something to get rid of has parked near the Champs-Elysees.

Posted by: MJ at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (LQtHg)

24 I and willing to go to Nice to assist with the fashion model refugees as they flee tyranny.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (H7LIz)

25 89,000 is a LOT.

I was in Cairo when President Bush (41) visited on his way back from Desert Shield. The Egyptians had 50,000 troops on the street.

Cairo is a big city, I would guess roughly the same as Paris.

With 50k troops, they had an armed man about every 50 meters on both sides of the street on all of the main thoroughfares.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (9VeU0)

26 I've never heard of the word "violence" being used as an objective noun like that. "I'd like to buy 1 enormous violence please". Must be something to do with the French language translation?

Posted by: Nonapod at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (CLP9I)

27
Remember when an ayatollah left France to take power in Iran? On a long enough time line I can the opposite happening.

Hope the yellow vests know what they're doing.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex and Colonized by Patriarchy at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (e7O7B)

28 The Gendarmerie are part of the French military. France actually has two national police forces (!), the National Police and the Gendarmerie. The latter spends most of their time policing the rural areas and smaller cities in the flyover part of France, so they'll be pulling most of those forces and deploying them in Paris (make no mistake these in the bubble people only care about what happens in Paris). They're also going to deploy 10 armored cars. They can use those to block access to the presidential residence. Supposedly this will be an unprecedented deployment across the country, but I don't see how that is since they already work most of the country. Maybe they're putting all the desk jockeys in riot gear, dunno.

Really reading up on French security forces is pretty eye opening. Their long history of violent protest and that little thing called the French Revolution means the French government doesn't take many chances with the population. They expect the worst.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (4ErVI)

29 16 How's the guillotine industry doing nowadays anyway?
Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2018 01:04 PM (Tnijr)

Futures are down, sharply...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (AURKQ)

30 'They may take our lives...'

'But, they'll never take our Freedom Fries!'

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (B2l4d)

31 They just arrested 140 student protesters...

They were protesting how Exams were given and proctored, as well as entrance requirements.

Fox News.

Crackdown coming...

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 01:07 PM (NgKpN)

32 wow, not often you get to see history repeat itself in person.

I wonder if the French will use the guillotine again...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 07, 2018 01:07 PM (8D42x)

33 So, the press might be taking it easy on Trump this weekend??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2018 01:07 PM (so+oy)

34 So basically we can boil this down to stupid European ideas are once again turning one of their countries into a powder keg.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2018 01:07 PM (cAnNx)

35
You can't spell "tyranny" without "tranny."

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (/9p9e)

36 I don't see this thing ending well for anyone, frankly.

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (vkS2Z)

37 I've got this. I just need a P.A. system.

Posted by: Michael Winslow at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (QLvwG)

38 Tourism in Paris would be majorly affected. It is usually beautiful this time of the year with the lights and Christmas markets.

Posted by: IC at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (a0IVu)

39 Like watching a train wreck about to happen: You know it's going to be bad, yet, you can't turn away.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (qC1Sy)

40 What if a good chunk of the security forces join the Yellow Jackets?

Then Monsieur Macron's pate de foie gras is truly cooked.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (Lqx3k)

41 Wasnt it just yesterday that the media was praising Macron for standing up to Trump and Trump basically said "dude is unpopular as fuck, he's just lashing out at me to shore up support in France" and media scoffed at the idea?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (GBteo)

42 The Baguette Wars.

Begun. They have.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (B2l4d)

43 The big question is, will the gendarme side with the Yellow Jackets?

Posted by: josephistan at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (7HtZB)

44 the people demanding the gas tax hikes

WTF is wrong with these idjits? One must assume that the non-stop AGW alarmist propaganda really has convinced them that the planet will expire withing the next decade. This is yet another example of the nefarious nature of deliberately contrived misinformation.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (Tyii7)

45 This video shows a "fan zone" in Paris for the World Cup.

So, in France, riots have fan zones.



Fan zones? How is it that the world has forgotten how to put down riots like in '68 at the DNC?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (KUNWw)

46 33 So, the press might be taking it easy on Trump this weekend??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2018 01:07 PM



And here I was just wondering what is the big news drop for this Friday?

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (0tfLf)

47
Miss me?

Posted by: Zombie Charles de'Gaulle at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (UFLLM)

48 I have seen several people on the Right praising the Yellow Jackets cause this is a tax revolt, and so they are on our side.

Chris Plante read their demands on his show today.

Like no tax increase on diesel fuel for trucks, but raising it on marine diesel. And a minimum wage increase. And a maximum wage (of about $300k). And smaller class sizes. And rent control. And a promise of everything for asylum seekers. And high taxes on McDonalds.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (9VeU0)

49 I and willing to go to Nice to assist with the fashion model refugees as they flee tyranny.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

.................

They will award you the Legion of Honor for this!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (so+oy)

50 43 The big question is, will the gendarme side with the Yellow Jackets?
Posted by: josephistan at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (7HtZB)


Attendez le Boule Huit de Magique....

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (/9p9e)

51 Off Airplane Sock.

And, the Paris thing, it could not have happened to a nicer bunch of a-holes. Read: Macron, et al.

Take heed Globalist turds, you might not be a safe as you think you are, even here in the States.

If the Frenchies can find their balls, pretty much anyone can. Keep pushing Globalist Turds. See what happens. Eventually.

Ok, nowwww off to the gym.

Posted by: Smaug at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (EMIUG)

52 'They may take our lives...'



'But, they'll never take our Freedom Fries!'

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (B2l4d)


That's pommes frites to you, Americano!

Posted by: Marcel at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (QLvwG)

53 So, in France, riots have fan zones.

So rioting *is* their national sport.

Posted by: rickl at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (xjiRE)

54 Not that I have a dandy little poodle in this fight, but...

Down with the socialist superstate. The more chaos, the more the establishment cracks, the better.

Every government that falls will serve as an object lesson to citizens in other countries, that they can indeed throw off the yoke of their own local Deep State.

Macron Demission!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (AzW6q)

55 Does not look good. At all.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (bUjCl)

56 Every riot should have a fan zone.
And a KissPunch Cam

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (XZ3Gp)

57 "What is at stake, is the security of the French and our institutions," pronounced the Prime Minister Edouard Philippe Tuesday.


Your security has been provided wholly by the US, gratis, who you have continually tried to fvck over.

Your institutions are shit.



Bon voyagee, les douchebags!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (sG6l8)

58 With 50k troops, they had an armed man about every 50 meters on both sides of the street on all of the main thoroughfares.
Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (9VeU0)

when you add in Auxilirary Officers, and others, New York City has more than 50,000 Officers, by itself.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (NgKpN)

59 Silly French. They just need to give the protestors some space to destroy.

Posted by: Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (H7LIz)

60 Macron is an idiot. He may find himself out of a job.

Posted by: IC at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (a0IVu)

61 French on French action. Guys with boobs, chicks with dicks, Eiffel tower dildos. Exit, chased by a bear.

Posted by: Left Bank Shot at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (uloIh)

62 I've got this. I just need a P.A. system.
Posted by: Michael Winslow



That would be f'n hilarious.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (KUNWw)

63 53 So, in France, riots have fan zones.

So rioting *is* their national sport.
Posted by: rickl at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM (xjiRE)


Meh. A day out at Wembley during an FA Cup match.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (/9p9e)

64 What are their demands ? Do they want Macaroon to resign ?

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (bUjCl)

65 56 Every riot should have a fan zone.
And a KissPunch Cam
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (XZ3Gp)


Frappe du poussez?

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:11 PM (/9p9e)

66 I can see one scenario where this spreads throughout the Spring so that next Summer, Woodstock, the 50th Anniversary, will have something to be hippie about again.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:11 PM (0tfLf)

67 "The time is propitious."

Posted by: Oberkommando Wehrmacht at December 07, 2018 01:11 PM (Bdeb0)

68 18 Wait. I thought French leadership acquiesced to their demands. How is this still ramping up?

Was this all about something else?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2018 01:05 PM (9qZ3S)

Eh, you know how mobs are.

They kind of take on a life of their own.

This started over a gas tax kind of in the same way the American Revolution started over a stamp tax. Like... yeah, that's probably something you can point to as a rallying cry, but obviously there's more going on behind the scenes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:11 PM (GBteo)

69 42 The Baguette Wars.

Begun. They have.
Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (B2l4d)

There's a photo circulating on fb of a baguette confiscated by French police with a machete hidden inside.

Posted by: josephistan at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (7HtZB)

70 Demands?

This is beyond demands.

Their demands were not met and now they are exacting a price.

No demands.

Response.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (H7LIz)

71 Shame England can't send over about 2,000 soccer hooligans just to spice things up a little.

Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)

72 It's not like a parliamentary system when there is a vote of no confidence, coalition falls, new elections called.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (bUjCl)

73 This isn't about the gas tax or just taxes in general. Just Sayin....

Posted by: literally serious at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (Z3wXf)

74 >>Does not look good. At all.

It looks great to me. And utterly predictable.

This is the inevitable outcome of socialism. Sooner or later they run out of other people's money and the whole scam falls apart.

And this is just the beginning. I expect this to play out throughout the EU.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (/tuJf)

75 when you add in Auxilirary Officers, and others, New York City has more than 50,000 Officers, by itself.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (NgKpN)


Right, but I am presuming what makes this news is that the Paris police force is there, and they are ADDING 89,000.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (9VeU0)

76 71 Shame England can't send over about 2,000 soccer hooligans just to spice things up a little.
Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)

Chunnel closed?

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (NgKpN)

77 France has been colonized by the Patriarchy. Sure, it's the loser, tranny Patriarchy, but a Patriarchy all the same.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (sG6l8)

78 And here I was just wondering what is the big news drop for this Friday?
Posted by: Diogenes

..................

They are salivating over the possible downfall of PDT when the new Mueller filings hit the streets today.

2 years.. and not one damn thing on Russian collusion or anything else remotely implicating Trump.. but they still have high hopes!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (so+oy)

79 This isn't about the gas tax or just taxes in general. Just Sayin....
Posted by: literally serious at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (Z3wXf)


spring fashions ???

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (bUjCl)

80 I wonder if they can outsource crowd control to the Chinese?

Stupid chinamen - they put all this money into solar, when riot control and internment camps are the future growth industries.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (LWu6U)

81 IcelandAir has bargain prices for May flights to Paris from IAD.

Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (Bdeb0)

82 They = CNN

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (so+oy)

83 Right, but I am presuming what makes this news is that the Paris police force is there, and they are ADDING 89,000.
Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (9VeU0)

I've seen reports that the Police Union head wants the cops to join the Protesters...

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (NgKpN)

84
Red depicts likely areas of Yellow Jacket protests, with an advisory for people to safeguard themselves; the green line depicts the intended path of the environmental marchers.


So it looks like they're going with the Charlottesville model.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (TAmPV)

85 Welcome All to Fen's Popcorn Extravaganza!

For your amusement we present the inevitable surrender of 65,000 Frenchmen.

BYOB. First bucket of popcorn on the house.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (QRfHv)

86 Vive le Revolucion!

Posted by: pookysgirl isn't fluent in French either at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (HJRvL)

87 What if a good chunk of the security forces join the Yellow Jackets?

Then Monsieur Macron's pate de foie gras is truly cooked.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 07, 2018 01:08 PM (Lqx3k)

--------------

Macron had best spend this weekend on a private Jet, with pilots ready.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:14 PM (ffYR/)

88 French on French action. Guys with boobs, chicks with dicks, Eiffel tower dildos. Exit, chased by a bear.

Left Bank Shot at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (uloIh)

.......

I like the way you think.

Posted by: Simon Pegg & Nick Frost at December 07, 2018 01:14 PM (EMIUG)

89
Unleash le Reign of Terror! Full Communism Now! Ze Politburo to nationalize everything! Muslim KGB to destroy counter-revolutionary Revanchists! Gulags for business owners! Open borders for third-world scum, er, I mean brothers! Shut down all nuclear power! Death to the college educated and all cities evacuated to idyllic country farms! 14 1/2 - 19 year girls to my bedroom for a spanking! TERROR!

Posted by: French Twit at December 07, 2018 01:14 PM (UFLLM)

90 Remember Brexit? I remember Brexit.

Posted by: Peonic Wars at December 07, 2018 01:14 PM (uloIh)

91 Somebody dig up Napoleon. The Emperor could make a comeback right about now.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 07, 2018 01:14 PM (KUaJL)

92 76 71 Shame England can't send over about 2,000 soccer hooligans just to spice things up a little.
Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)

Chunnel closed?
Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (NgKpN)

There are all sort of important premier league matches this weekend. Hooligans are going to stick close to home.

Posted by: IC at December 07, 2018 01:14 PM (a0IVu)

93 spring fashions ???

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (bUjCl)

The inside whispering is that the midi skirt will be making a strong comeback this spring.

Posted by: Yves at December 07, 2018 01:14 PM (QLvwG)

94 Wait. I thought French leadership acquiesced to their demands. How is this still ramping up?

Was this all about something else?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2018 01:05 PM (9qZ3S)

Eh, you know how mobs are.

They kind of take on a life of their own.

This started over a gas tax kind of in the same way the American Revolution started over a stamp tax. Like... yeah, that's probably something you can point to as a rallying cry, but obviously there's more going on behind the scenes.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes



The rioters also didn't fall for the "ok we won't raise taxes" bullshit.

Seems the knew the government was blowing smoke.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (KUNWw)

95 It looks great to me. And utterly predictable.

This is the inevitable outcome of socialism. Sooner or later they run out of other people's money and the whole scam falls apart.

And this is just the beginning. I expect this to play out throughout the EU.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (/tuJf)

Yeah, but it'll get worse before it gets better.

Guarantee that if there is violence against the government, when the dust settles, the left will be in charge.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (GBteo)

96 This is the inevitable outcome of socialism. Sooner or later they run out of other people's money and the whole scam falls apart.

And this is just the beginning. I expect this to play out throughout the EU.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (/tuJf)

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From your lips to G-d's ears, Jack.

And not just the EU, either. Its all of a piece.

This is the rock-and-hard-place of socialism.

1.) The taxes are killing us! Lower taxes!
2.) Don't you dare take our entitlements!

Can't have both objectives. Eventually the whole system gets the broom, because it stops functioning completely.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (AzW6q)

97 Roof Koreans assemble.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (t6MX/)

98 I have seen several people on the Right praising the Yellow Jackets cause this is a tax revolt, and so they are on our side.

Chris Plante read their demands on his show today.

Like no tax increase on diesel fuel for trucks, but raising it on marine diesel. And a minimum wage increase. And a maximum wage (of about $300k). And smaller class sizes. And rent control. And a promise of everything for asylum seekers. And high taxes on McDonalds.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM


I would like to believe that we live in a time when people told the truth or else got the shit beat out of them.

But there's #FakeNews everywhere. So I'm gonna take that with an Olympic Pool Sized grain of salt while hoping it's not true.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex and Colonized by Patriarchy at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (e7O7B)

99
Shame England can't send over about 2,000 soccer hooligans just to spice things up a little.

That is what the Chunnel is for. Come for the shopping, stay for the rioting.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (Lqx3k)

100 What is at stake, is the security of my buttocks," pronounced the Prime Minister Edouard Philippe Tuesday.

Posted by: w at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (cYWKd)

101 There's a photo circulating on fb of a baguette confiscated by French police with a machete hidden inside.
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So. An assault baguette, then. It's past time for common-sense baguette control!

Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (tfbws)

102
zombie Louis XVI: Macron, if things look like they are getting out of hand run as far and fast as you can. Trust me on this.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (SiINZ)

103 le bonke le bonke sur la tete.

Posted by: wth - Happy Holidays, Hondurans! at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (HgMAr)

104 And this is just the beginning. I expect this to play out throughout the EU.



yeah, i was reacting to the map; we shall see. by the time UK gets to BREXIT there may not be a EuroUnion, n'est-ce pas ?

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (bUjCl)

105
65,000?????

Srsly??

REALLY????


The left here FREAKED THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR EVER LOVING MINDS when WE sent 6000 troops to our own goddamned border.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (8XRCm)

106 >>>Right, but I am presuming what makes this news is that the Paris police force is there, and they are ADDING 89,000.

i believe that number is of security forces added throughout the country. mostly in paris, but not nearly all

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (PbpT7)

107 74 >>Does not look good. At all.

It looks great to me. And utterly predictable.

This is the inevitable outcome of socialism. Sooner or later they run out of other people's money and the whole scam falls apart.

And this is just the beginning. I expect this to play out throughout the EU.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (/tuJf)

One world governments always fail. Socialism or no socialism. This was predictable since the dumb EU was dreamt up.

Posted by: literally serious at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (Z3wXf)

108 Eh, this'll be like two homos slap fighting over the last tube of dick toothpaste.

I have no idea what that means.

Posted by: MJ at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (LQtHg)

109

You're a riot l'Elyssee, a regular riot!

Posted by: Ralph Kramden at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (aKsyK)

110 75 when you add in Auxilirary Officers, and others, New York City has more than 50,000 Officers, by itself.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 01:10 PM (NgKpN)

Right, but I am presuming what makes this news is that the Paris police force is there, and they are ADDING 89,000.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM



Back when dinosaurs rules the earth and I was a wee junior officer, we studied urban warfare extensively. This included "terrain walks" around the local city. I was stunned how quickly a city can swallow a whole division.
Think Stalingrad...or Aachen.
89,000 troops in Paris...maybe effective coverage for a quarter of the city.
This is serious sh*t!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (0tfLf)

111 Why is there still socialist sticker shock ?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (NhgkA)

112 Old and busted: U.S. Civilian Marksmanship Program out of M-1 carbines.
New hotness: Expected shipment of French FAMAS standard-issue rifles.

Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 01:17 PM (Bdeb0)

113 This is the inevitable outcome of socialism. Sooner or later they run out of other people's money and the whole scam falls apart.

And this is just the beginning. I expect this to play out throughout the EU.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (/tuJf)

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Seems like it is beginning to spread, but no American media will cover it.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:17 PM (ffYR/)

114 Nice of them to publish the map, so the Yellow Vests can avoid the heavies.

I will watch events with interest, and zero GAF level.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 07, 2018 01:17 PM (mfOi4)

115 Right, but I am presuming what makes this news is that the Paris police force is there, and they are ADDING 89,000.
Posted by: blaster

I've seen reports that the Police Union head wants the cops to join the Protesters...
Posted by: Don Q



I wish they'd have a mathematician join the riot. Maybe he could explain to them that in "order to have free shit and not work, you gotta pay thru the nose!"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:17 PM (KUNWw)

116 12 willowed so...

"Cory Booker took a DNA test that revealed he is seven percent Native American. "

Yeah. Azztec.
Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2018 01:03 PM (Tnijr)

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What % T-Bone is he?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:17 PM (NhgkA)

117 Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 07, 2018 01:13 PM (QRfHv)

Hate to break it to you, but we've already got a "Fen". Confusion will surely ensue...

So you'll have to be "Fenris"

Or perhaps just ... "F U"

(hehe... just kidding)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2018 01:17 PM (AURKQ)

118 It's cool, the French don't need a vote to oust a leader. They've got an invention from the late 18th century that does it way more efficiently.

Posted by: Who is broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter? at December 07, 2018 01:17 PM (oZ6kz)

119 afterwards, will a soccer game break out?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (NhgkA)

120 The left here FREAKED THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR EVER LOVING MINDS when WE sent 6000 troops to our own goddamned border.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (8XRCm)
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Well, that's because the troops were oriented in the wrong direction.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (qC1Sy)

121 Jennifer Franco @jennfranconews
32m
#DEVELOPING: Representative Darrell Issa tells @OANN Former FBI Director James #Comey is not answering all of lawmakers' questions during his closed-door deposition with House Oversight and Judiciary committee members. #OANN

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (BqBId)

122 Well, we're what... 5? ... 10? years behind France in all this nonsense?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (KUaJL)

123 I have seen several people on the Right praising the Yellow Jackets cause this is a tax revolt, and so they are on our side.

LOL ... that anyone could believe he has Frenchmen on his side ...

The French have never had an ally they didn't stab in the back, eventually. And not even for any return but just because they can't help themselves.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (sG6l8)

124 "What is a Guillotine Alex?"

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (Lqx3k)

125 Normally the French form of popular political expression makes me shake my head. But this time, I will give them a pass. If I were a French commuter and I had to pay that price PER LITER at the pump, I'd go break a couple of ministry windows myself. Of course, it's not just the gas prices; that was the trigger for a lot of built-up resentment at the current French administration that seems willing to let the cultural pillar of Western Europe go down the toilet as long as they get to be in charge.


Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (Nk3Dy)

126 Migrants and immigration.

Posted by: literally serious at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (Z3wXf)

127 This is the rock-and-hard-place of socialism.

1.) The taxes are killing us! Lower taxes!
2.) Don't you dare take our entitlements!

Can't have both objectives. Eventually the whole system gets the broom, because it stops functioning completely.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (AzW6q)


Right. And the "dont you dare take our entitlements" group usually wins, since, by design, they are
a) typically larger are more demographically diverse
b) have more at stake.

and by b) I mean I get pissed when my standard of living drops a little bit due to higher taxes, sure. But someone who is about to get cut off from a lifestyle of free food, housing, cell phones, everything? Yeah, they have a lot more to lose.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (GBteo)

128 what's the French word for coup?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (NhgkA)

129
Tan, rested and ready!

Posted by: GIGN Sniper Platoon at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (UFLLM)

130 Speaking of fan sites, here's amateur video of the Chinese moon launch. There is no official webcast.

https://www.douyu.com/1963680

Posted by: rickl at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (xjiRE)

131 >>>128 what's the French word for coup?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90

heh

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2018 01:19 PM (PbpT7)

132 Macron's just-invented party, En Marche!,

that's french for "lean forward!", isn't it?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 07, 2018 01:19 PM (xGZ+b)

133 Source on yellow jacket demands:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y75rj94k

Yes, that's reddit

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 01:19 PM (9VeU0)

134 I'll put $100 down on Macron out by Christmas, at 100:1 odds. Yeah, he would have to step down (or be taken down) ... and his mommy (wife) wouldn't like that ... but maybe he just wants to escape with his hide.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2018 01:19 PM (Cus5s)

135 There's a photo circulating on fb of a baguette confiscated by French police with a machete hidden inside.
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So. An assault baguette, then. It's past time for common-sense baguette control!
Posted by: Captain Obvious


Suppressed .22 lr to the kneecap of anyone rioting with ANYTHING in their hands.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:20 PM (KUNWw)

136 One world governments always fail. Socialism or no socialism. This was predictable since the dumb EU was dreamt up.
Posted by: literally serious at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (Z3wXf)

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I happened to be in Italy as they were integrating into the EU. I noticed that everyone on the street was just kind of laughing about all of it - switching to the Euro, joining the EP, all of it. No one seemed to take it seriously at all. At the time, I thought "I don't think the EU will work."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 01:20 PM (AzW6q)

137 Jennifer Franco @jennfranconews
32m
#DEVELOPING: Representative Darrell Issa tells @OANN Former FBI Director James #Comey is not answering all of lawmakers' questions during his closed-door deposition with House Oversight and Judiciary committee members. #OANN

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (BqBId)



Second look at the rack? No, not her rack...

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2018 01:20 PM (SiINZ)

138 if a 'State of Emergency' is declared, the Gendarmes are put under the direct authority of the French Army. Ordinarily they are the police force throughout in the county in towns and rural areas.


the Police Nationale are most of the uniformed police in the cities. If you see the Police Nationale and les Gendarmes in the same area, le sh*t has heet le fan


I think it was the 2005 riots where I saw the Foreign Legion deployed in Paris, which was......different. Lime green berets, bad attitude, the enlisted men are mostly foreigners with French Army officers

Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 07, 2018 01:20 PM (9HuGt)

139 134 I'll put $100 down on Macron out by Christmas, at 100:1 odds. Yeah, he would have to step down (or be taken down) ... and his mommy (wife) wouldn't like that ... but maybe he just wants to escape with his hide.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2018 01:19 PM (Cus5s)

She might even dump him.

Posted by: IC at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (a0IVu)

140 Broseidon, Bonhommed linked this last thread.

It looks like Disney has managed to surmount the Uncanny Valley effect for this new ride at Tokyo Disney. James Cameron should take note.

https://youtu.be/ce5bjFY1Faw?t=1m41s

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (Lqx3k)

141 I still have to give Macron credit, he got the horseshoe to find common ground and unite against him. The radicals and reactionaries alike smell blood in the water as the angry mob of the demos howls for justice in the streets.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (Nk3Dy)

142 Okay, never mind, I thought that was a map of the troop deployments in Paris.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (mfOi4)

143 127 This is the rock-and-hard-place of socialism.

1.) The taxes are killing us! Lower taxes!
2.) Don't you dare take our entitlements!

Can't have both objectives. Eventually the whole system gets the broom, because it stops functioning completely.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (AzW6q)


Right. And the "dont you dare take our entitlements" group usually wins, since, by design, they are
a) typically larger are more demographically diverse
b) have more at stake.

and by b) I mean I get pissed when my standard of living drops a little bit due to higher taxes, sure. But someone who is about to get cut off from a lifestyle of free food, housing, cell phones, everything? Yeah, they have a lot more to lose.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (GBteo)


You forgot #3 - mass migration from Muslim countries.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (/9p9e)

144 91 Somebody dig up Napoleon. The Emperor could make a comeback right about now.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 07, 2018 01:14 PM (KUaJL)

Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoleon, is the current pretender to the Imperial throne of France. He's the great-great-great-great-nephew of Emperor Napoleon. And ladies, he's single!

Posted by: josephistan at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (7HtZB)

145 "what's the French word for coup?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (NhgkA) "

Royale with cheese?

Posted by: Who is broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter? at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (oZ6kz)

146 131 >>>128 what's the French word for coup?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90

heh

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2018 01:19 PM (PbpT7)

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the high praise. *** looks down nose at horde***

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:22 PM (NhgkA)

147
Le Coup.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:22 PM (/9p9e)

148 I've seen reports that the Police Union head wants the cops to join the Protesters...

I saw a video of firefighters turning their backs on some political leaders and walked out during some sort of parade ceremony.

Apparently Macron wasn't one of the leaders present, though early reports said he was.

I think that's one of the reasons French politicians are taking this so seriously. They're seeing dissension in the ranks of people they'd usually use to control the rioters.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2018 01:22 PM (9qZ3S)

149 Can we re-add Macron to the Trumpenfreude list? LOLOL.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 07, 2018 01:22 PM (Agn5J)

150 So the people demanding the gas tax hikes will be protesting the same day the anti-gas tax Yellow Jackets will be staging Act IV.



What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2018 01:22 PM (yQpMk)

151 128 what's the French word for coup?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90

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sedan

Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2018 01:23 PM (8XRCm)

152 >>#DEVELOPING: Representative Darrell Issa tells @OANN Former FBI Director James #Comey is not answering all of lawmakers' questions during his closed-door deposition with House Oversight and Judiciary committee members. #OANN

He just confirmed the same information on Fox.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:24 PM (/tuJf)

153
124 "What is a Guillotine Alex?"

i saw Guillotine Alex open for Shotgun Sally at the Salt Palace back in '85.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 07, 2018 01:24 PM (NmR1a)

154 You forgot #3 - mass migration from Muslim countries.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (/9p9e)

Well, that's a lurking subtext to many of these issues in Europe (and variations of that issue are playing out in the entire Western world)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:24 PM (GBteo)

155 I wish they'd have a mathematician join the riot. Maybe he could explain to them that in "order to have free shit and not work, you gotta pay thru the nose!"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:17 PM (KUNWw)

Really?

/looks at Balance sheet post Quantitative Easing

Posted by: US Federal Reserve Bank, a PRIVATE Corporation at December 07, 2018 01:24 PM (NgKpN)

156 97 Roof Koreans assemble.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (t6MX/)


Les Koreans de toiture.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:24 PM (/9p9e)

157 You forgot #3 - mass migration from Muslim countries.


This. The obvious short term fix is exporting the foreign layabouts to fatten the pie for the native layabouts.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2018 01:24 PM (yQpMk)

158 151 128 what's the French word for coup?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90

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sedan
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2018 01:23 PM (8XRCm)

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That's also the German word for Victory.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:24 PM (NhgkA)

159 Bonhommed

I am not a French Muslim!

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (9qZ3S)

160 Unconfirmed reports that the Confederate Air Force in Texas has all their B-17's warming up.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (0tfLf)

161 Well if it happens in Paris, then it won't be a Coup de Ville...

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (Lqx3k)

162

EM BOUILLABAISSE FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (a6fvI)

163 Well, that was different. Looks like it's on its way.

Posted by: rickl at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (xjiRE)

164 Eau Neaux! Merde getting real in France.

Hold on to your derierres.

That's alls the Frawnch I know.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (xPJvm)

165 Miss me?


Posted by: Zombie Charles de'Gaulle at December 07, 2018 01:09 PM


Bitch, sil vous plait....

Posted by: Zombie Napoleon at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (p+Wdc)

166 The entitlements are being taken from the citizens and given to the migrants and their families.

Posted by: literally serious at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (Z3wXf)

167
"Coup, Coup"

Posted by: Terror Bird at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (UFLLM)

168 b) I mean I get pissed when my standard of living drops a little bit due to higher taxes, sure. But someone who is about to get cut off from a lifestyle of free food, housing, cell phones, everything? Yeah, they have a lot more to lose.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


You forgot #3 - mass migration from Muslim countries.
Posted by: J.J.Sefton



Go long on popcorn if b & #3 fight it out over the free shit.

Paging Jaques DeMolay and Charles Martel. Paging Jaques DeMolay and Charles Martel. Please pick up the red & white courtesy phones.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (KUNWw)

169 Les Koreans de toiture.
Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:24 PM (/9p9e)

Les ching-chongs du bang-bangs

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (AURKQ)

170 "You forgot #3 - mass migration from Muslim countries.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (/9p9e) "



Bingo, JJS, I was just wondering which side the migrants were going to take. If any.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (mfOi4)

171 This started over a gas tax kind of in the same way the American Revolution started over a stamp tax. Like... yeah, that's probably something you can point to as a rallying cry, but obviously there's more going on behind the scenes.

This.

I pointed out yesterday that there's also a student protest which has turned violent and is nationwide. Students (middle and high school, not university) are fighting with cops and burning cars all over the country.

This is not just Paris. I don't know enough to know what's really going on but the wheels are coming off.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (fuK7c)

172 Les Koreans de toiture.
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Ou sont les Koreans d'antan?

Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (tfbws)

173 160 Unconfirmed reports that the Confederate Air Force in Texas has all their B-17's warming up.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (0tfLf)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmcMK-MeI4

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (/9p9e)

174 It's almost as if Comey should be getting interviewed by a ruthless cop, instead of powerless legislators who want him to walk free.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (AzW6q)

175 122 Well, we're what... 5? ... 10? years behind France in all this nonsense?
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That would be many American cities RIGHT NOW if the Hildabeast had won in 2016. That woman has a political tin ear, and knows how to piss people off big time. Yea verily, it is not improbable that the Proud Boys and Antifa would both be in the streets against Her Thighness, and she would have sicced the cossacks on both of them. And then she would have sat and wondered why the mobs were howling in the street and the Morning Joe hosts were looking very nervous...


Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (Nk3Dy)

176 the people demanding the gas tax hikes

Now there's a fun group.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (Boy/L)

177 some of the video I've seen has a few CGT guys among the yellow jackets. Orange vests instead of yellow


they're the national council of labor unions in France; if they join in 'forte', Macron is f*cked

Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (9HuGt)

178 Can anyone compare how that 89k compares to who we have along our southern border

Let's do the math. 2200 miles of border times what, 1830 yards per mile? I get one each 45 yards.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (+fPHo)

179 Their police union chiefs are telling the police to join the protests.

Posted by: literally serious at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (Z3wXf)

180 It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. This is gonna be GREAT!

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2018 01:27 PM (2LelM)

181 I wish they'd have a mathematician join the riot. Maybe he could explain to them that in "order to have free shit and not work, you gotta pay thru the nose!"

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Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoleon, the current pretender to the Imperial throne of France IS a mathemetician.

And single

And a looker

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:27 PM (NhgkA)

182
This sounds serious.

Posted by: Kor Neil Youse at December 07, 2018 01:27 PM (hrcfq)

183 The thing to watch for is how they are dressed. If a majority are wearing Crocs and carrying J. Crew Messenger Bags, it will be gay Pareé all over again.

Posted by: MSM pundit at December 07, 2018 01:27 PM (ctuyM)

184 >>174 It's almost as if Comey should be getting interviewed by a ruthless cop, Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (AzW6q)

Or an amateur German dentist.

Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)

185 >>It's almost as if Comey should be getting interviewed by a ruthless cop, instead of powerless legislators who want him to walk free.

To be accurate, Issa claims that it is the DOJ lawyer who accompanied Comey that is telling him not to answer certain questions.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:27 PM (/tuJf)

186 sedan

Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2018 01:23 PM (8XRCm)



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That's also the German word for Victory.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:24 PM


*le clap de golf*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2018 01:27 PM (p+Wdc)

187 I wonder if the French will use the guillotine again...
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 07, 2018 01:07 PM (8D42x)

You want guirrotine? We got guirrotine in stock. Deliver chop-chop.

Posted by: Norinco at December 07, 2018 01:27 PM (fDU8w)

188
I was just wondering which side the migrants were going to take.

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They aint.

If theyre smart, theyll stay indoors. Moohammed's likely to get hurt if they venture out while the State cant control mobs of a very pissed off citizenry.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2018 01:28 PM (8XRCm)

189 I mean when you think about it, the total tax burden in the US is probably as high if not higher than most of Europe.

If you actually sit down and do the math -- property taxes, sales taxes, sin taxes, gas taxes, county tax assessments, tolls, income taxes, other state taxes, FICA taxes, federal income taxes, all the various other direct federal taxes we pay, then try to start adding in the indirect federal taxes we pay (for example, if the truck carrying your groceries to the local store had to pay $50 in diesel taxes and $150 in tolls to get there, and the trucking company had to pay $x in taxes, and the producers, shippers, importers, everyone else are all paying tariffs and taxes... that's all passed on to you, the end consumer).... it's hard to put an exact number on it, but I think my tax burden is definitely north of 75%.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:28 PM (GBteo)

190
*insert rotten Maurcice Chevalier laugh here*

Posted by: Zombie Charles de'Gaulle at December 07, 2018 01:28 PM (UFLLM)

191 Jennifer Franco @jennfranconews
32m
#DEVELOPING: Representative Darrell Issa tells @OANN Former FBI Director James #Comey is not answering all of lawmakers' questions during his closed-door deposition with House Oversight and Judiciary committee members. #OANN



Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (BqBId)
**************************
Well Ted Lieu has Comey's back and said, "the stupid GOP investigation will end Jan. 3rd."

I hate these people. Nothing ever happens to the Dems and Comey know this.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 07, 2018 01:28 PM (hECVl)

192 Can we do this for a wall? I'm pissed. TWO YEARS we have waited.

Was at the Tax Collector's office this week and woman there from Guatemala upset bc she could not get a FL tag for her just purchased vehicle. I mean, she had a license from Guatemala, why would she need one from FL?

Posted by: Ever at December 07, 2018 01:28 PM (1Zh0U)

193 178 Can anyone compare how that 89k compares to who we have along our southern border
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89,000 is roughly equal to two Army Groups. This would seem enough but one must factor in that we are speaking of Frenchmen.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2018 01:28 PM (2LelM)

194 You forgot #3 - mass migration from Muslim countries.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton

...................

Who have nothing to lose.. and who care about French culture/tradition at about the zero percent level.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (so+oy)

195 Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (/9p9e)
******
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg9aQvjMS60

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (BqBId)

196 190
*insert rotten Maurcice Chevalier laugh here*
Posted by: Zombie Charles de'Gaulle at December 07, 2018 01:28 PM (UFLLM)



"Zank heav-unz, for leetle girls - - "

"Hey, that's my racket!"

- - NJ Senator

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (/9p9e)

197 Les Koreans de toiture.
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Ou sont les Koreans d'antan?
Posted by: Captain Obvious



coreens de toit

French roof koreans.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (KUNWw)

198
Come on, try it; move the scene along
Fifty million Frenchmen can't be wrong
Wheeeeeeee!!

Throw out your hands!!
Stick out your tush!!
Hands on your hips
Give them a push!!
You'll be surprised
You're doing the French Mistake!!
VOILA!!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (yQpMk)

199 173160 Unconfirmed reports that the Confederate Air Force in Texas has all their B-17's warming up.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (0tfLf)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmcMK-MeI4

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM


Damn! It's the sub pens at Saint Nazaire again!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (0tfLf)

200 170 "You forgot #3 - mass migration from Muslim countries.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (/9p9e) "



Bingo, JJS, I was just wondering which side the migrants were going to take. If any.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (mfOi4)



The opportunity to cause violence and destruction and demand that the current government hand them out even more freebies?


Yeah they're gonna go with the Yellow Jackets.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (cAnNx)

201
192 Can we do this for a wall? I'm pissed. TWO YEARS we have waited.
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We are headed for a Dirty War not a Revolution.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (2LelM)

202 140 Broseidon, Bonhommed linked this last thread.

It looks like Disney has managed to surmount the Uncanny Valley effect for this new ride at Tokyo Disney. James Cameron should take note.

https://youtu.be/ce5bjFY1Faw?t=1m41s
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Japan is extending the anime robot waifu line to Disney princess robot waifu types.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (Nk3Dy)

203 So Macros is re-enacting the French Mistake?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (Lqx3k)

204 176 the people demanding the gas tax hikes

Now there's a fun group.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 07, 2018 01:26 PM (Boy/L)

those would be the Greens.

Posted by: Don Quixote at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (NgKpN)

205 It's called a Fleshlight, and you use it to rub one out.

Posted by: Le Spew at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (uloIh)

206 @48 I have seen several people on the Right praising the Yellow Jackets cause this is a tax revolt, and so they are on our side.



Chris Plante read their demands on his show today.
-----------------
From what I've heard, this is mostly a spontaneous thing that just grew, kind of like the early Tea Party rallies. At this point any "demands" that are particularly long and convoluted strike me as the possible work of a group trying to seize control of the demonstrations for their own ends.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (Fp6vo)

207 Whatever the outcome, I expect a massive amount of carbon footprints lying around.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (rE1pK)

208 No, Europeans do have a higher tax burden. They have a VAT and income tax.

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (XOBxb)

209 You know, it's a shame that the government hasn't put this much effort into dealing with the No-Go zones...

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (Fp6vo)

210 EM BOUILLABAISSE FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (a6fvI)

Heh. Topical.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:31 PM (GBteo)

211 As the Yellow Jackets storm the Bastille, Miss Macron looks up from his croissant and quips:

"The peasants are revolting? Let them eat carbon credits!!"

TO THE BARRICADES!!!!

Posted by: The Trumpenator at December 07, 2018 01:31 PM (dDMQ9)

212
Well if it happens in Paris, then it won't be a Coup de Ville...

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 07, 2018 01:25 PM (Lqx3k)


If it happens in a Paris park it will be a Coup de Grassy

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 01:31 PM (TAmPV)

213 What are Marcel Marceau's thoughts on this? A mime is a terrible thing to waste.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2018 01:31 PM (ctuyM)

214 Percentage of an economy that is government spending should give a picture of effective tax burden

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:31 PM (XOBxb)

215 The French should read their own statesman, like de Tocqueville, and his writing on the "tyranny of a majority" in Democracy in America. So may some legislators in a few of our own liberal states. After "Divide et Impera " has failed, this is what it looks like.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (ELo06)

Posted by: Marcel Marceau at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (yQpMk)

217 >>I mean when you think about it, the total tax burden in the US is probably as high if not higher than most of Europe.

Gotta disagree with you on that one. They pay much higher taxes on the whole than we do.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (/tuJf)

218 MSM seems kind of lax in reporting this. I wonder why that could possibly be?!/s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (AllCR)

219 188
I was just wondering which side the migrants were going to take.

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They aint.

If theyre smart, theyll stay indoors. Moohammed's likely to get hurt if they venture out while the State cant control mobs of a very pissed off citizenry.
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If this was the old-time Parisian mob a couple of Muzzie suburbs would already have been ethnically cleansed. They are still in a Macron-first mood though.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (Nk3Dy)

220 Let me know when the Legionnaires with the axes and leather aprons show up.

https://tinyurl.com/ydgr66my

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (FTlwv)

221 208 No, Europeans do have a higher tax burden. They have a VAT and income tax.
Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (XOBxb)

Okay, prove me wrong.

Take the average income (or, say, one standard deviation above the average), in, say, France, and add up all the direct taxes they pay. Then try to add in indirect taxes, like the VAT.

Compare to that to the average income (or one standard deviation above) in the US.

I'm surmising that there's not much of a difference. I could be wrong, I'd love to see *actual* numbers.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:33 PM (GBteo)

222 It seems that many divergent interests are converging around one big issue in France

The Les Miserables are tired of living paycheck to paycheck to fund all the Elitist wet dreams which not only don't affect the Elitists, but makes them even more privileged and insular.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2018 01:33 PM (0Ntuf)

223 103 le bonke le bonke sur la tete.
Posted by: wth - Happy Holidays, Hondurans! at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (HgMAr)


You owe me a new monitor....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at December 07, 2018 01:33 PM (uDcBt)

224

Never give up - Never surrender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ2hJezvd2I

Posted by: Kor Neil Youse at December 07, 2018 01:33 PM (hrcfq)

225 No, Europeans do have a higher tax burden. They have a VAT and income tax.
Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (XOBxb)

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This is why I never want a VAT here, unless income taxes are completely abolished, not just reduced. Too easy to slowly bump the percentages back up.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:34 PM (ffYR/)

226 214 Percentage of an economy that is government spending should give a picture of effective tax burden
Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:31 PM (XOBxb)

a) why? We spend way more then we tax.

b) even that number is hard to arrive at.

And I'm talking all levels of government and the direct and indirect tax burdens associated with them.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:34 PM (GBteo)

227 29
16 How's the guillotine industry doing nowadays anyway?

Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2018 01:04 PM (Tnijr)



Futures are down, sharply...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (AURKQ)


Opening a Paris office over the weekend.
See yall Monday.

Posted by: Trebuchet Ride Magic at December 07, 2018 01:34 PM (ymnmz)

228
Iznt Macaroons mother, er, wife, a good sport!

Posted by: Zombie Charles de'Gaulle at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (UFLLM)

229 exdem13, wait until the 3rd Wave Feminazis discover these new waifu...

And they thought sexbots were problematic.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (Lqx3k)

230 Hey Macron, do you hear the people sing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3whOHc5y9Q

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (Nk3Dy)

231 I have no idea who or what to root for.

They're all French.

Popcorn or pudding.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (NLLmE)

232 Gotta disagree with you on that one. They pay much higher taxes on the whole than we do.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (/tuJf)

I know the left constantly says that and we seem to accept it as fact, but I'm being a bit of a contrarian here.

I don't think it's true.

I think we in the US pay wayyy more in taxes than the government tells us we do, when you really sit down and add it all up.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (GBteo)

233 Iznt Macaroons mother, er, wife, a good sport!
Posted by: Zombie Charles de'Gaulle at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (UFLLM)

Which sport? Handball?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (AURKQ)

234 Hope it burns to the ground

Posted by: It's me donna at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (O2RFr)

235 206 @48 I have seen several people on the Right praising the Yellow Jackets cause this is a tax revolt, and so they are on our side.



Chris Plante read their demands on his show today.
-----------------
From what I've heard, this is mostly a spontaneous thing that just grew, kind of like the early Tea Party rallies. At this point any "demands" that are particularly long and convoluted strike me as the possible work of a group trying to seize control of the demonstrations for their own ends.
Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (Fp6vo)

This is nothing like the Tea Party rallies. It's a nation state with a definable culture and very long history striking back that the EU, ruling.class, elites, and non Citizens who seek to destroy it and them.

Like I said earlier, 100% predictable as soon as the EU was dreamt up.

Posted by: literally serious at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (Z3wXf)

236 How's the guillotine industry doing nowadays anyway?
Posted by: freaked at December 07, 2018 01:04 PM


Their guidance went gone off the rails.

Posted by: Scottish Maiden at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (ctuyM)

237 France's government spending is 56.5% of gdp per internet. USA is 37.7%. Yes there's deficit spending but this is a pretty solid proxy.

UK is much closer at 41.1%
Germany 43.9%
Italy 48.9%
Sweden 49.1%

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (XOBxb)

238 218 MSM seems kind of lax in reporting this. I wonder why that could possibly be?!/s
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (AllCR)



I'll take that as a sign this is a good thing.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (NLLmE)

239 Probably already mentioned up thread, but what does it say about supine, beaten-down Americans that we can't get 890 people to riot in DC against rampant taxation, let alone 89,000.

Seems to me we could use some of that surrender monkey spirit here.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (kqsXK)

240 229 exdem13, wait until the 3rd Wave Feminazis discover these new waifu...

And they thought sexbots were problematic.
===
Waifu bots only do the jobs that our third wave feminists won't do.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (Nk3Dy)

241 Hope it burns to the ground
Posted by: It's me donna at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (O2RFr


What's it? Paris or the entire country?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 01:37 PM (AllCR)

242 You want guirrotine? We got guirrotine in stock. Deliver chop-chop.
Posted by: Norinco at December 07, 2018 01:27 PM (fDU8w)


---

You want Guillotine
You'll settle for machete
You'll get slap chop

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:37 PM (NhgkA)

243 Take the average income (or, say, one standard deviation above the
average), in, say, France, and add up all the direct taxes they pay.
Then try to add in indirect taxes, like the VAT.


I think they're direct income taxes are much higher, to start with, and the VATs are north of 25% on everything bought, basically.

I have no idea what their taxes on property (transactions and/or holdings) are and I don't know if they have specific wealth taxes (though i wouldn't be surprised).

I do know that gas prices in Europe have always been something like 4 or 5 times those here, which is nothing to sneeze at.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 07, 2018 01:37 PM (sG6l8)

244 205
It's called a Fleshlight, and you use it to rub one out.

Posted by: Le Spew at December 07, 2018 01:30 PM (uloIh)


mon cheri

Posted by: Pepe le Spew at December 07, 2018 01:37 PM (ymnmz)

245 221 The high end tax rate in the UK and places like France and Germany is minimum 40%; you can directly add VAT unless you consume nothing (dead) at 17-20%, then all the fun things like $4 a gallon gas tax, misc fees to live and breathe and you are at or near 70%. I think high end estimates for Cali are still 60% but they are gaining on their brothers in arms.

Posted by: rammajamma at December 07, 2018 01:37 PM (xceTB)

246 Macron and his elderly wife will depart from a Paris rooftop helipad and never be seen in France again.

Posted by: Tahitian Divorce at December 07, 2018 01:37 PM (uloIh)

247 Sounds sporty over there.

I'm in favor of the yellow jackets or at least in favor of upending the evil bastards in power in France.

But anyone who riots and complains about getting injured gets zero sympathy from me.

Buy your ticket, take your chances.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 01:38 PM (bcbK8)

248
So, a new production of Les Mis is opening tomorrow?

Posted by: Zombie Charles de'Gaulle at December 07, 2018 01:38 PM (UFLLM)

249 I figure, about a 90% chance that there are tweets complaining of flash-balls . . . .


Sure, when I flash-balls, I get arrested. But the police can flash-balls with impunity.


This is democracy manifest!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 07, 2018 01:38 PM (t6MX/)

250 Tax burdens translate pretty well into spending. You just have to subtract deficits or add back surpluses to the final total. Tax revenue as % of gdp is more straightforward I'll see if I can find numbers for that.

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:38 PM (XOBxb)

251
"Zank heav-unz, for leetle girls - - "

"Hey, that's my racket!"

- - NJ Senator
Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (/9p9e)

---

we invented that

Posted by: Muslims in france at December 07, 2018 01:38 PM (NhgkA)

252 I saw someone try to run the numbers on a persons total tax burden a few years ago. I think he assumed a self employed person with $75,000 in income, married, with two kids, living somewhere in the northeast (NJ, maybe?).

He added in health insurance costs since most countries pay for that out of government funds and since it's basically quasi-government at this point. (govt sets rates, coverage levels, mandates you buy it, etc.)

I want to say he figured an 80% effective tax rate.

I cant find the link right now, and I could be off on some of those assumptions and numbers. Like I said, I read it 5 years ago.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:38 PM (GBteo)

253 240 229 exdem13, wait until the 3rd Wave Feminazis discover these new waifu...

And they thought sexbots were problematic.
===
Waifu bots only do the jobs that our third wave feminists won't do.
Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (Nk3Dy)

The new Belle animatronic is looking ready for the Stepford City Council.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (bcbK8)

254 >>I mean when you think about it, the total tax burden in the US is probably as high if not higher than most of Europe.

Gotta disagree with you on that one. They pay much higher taxes on the whole than we do.



CIA World Factbook is a pretty dispassionate source of info.

According to them, "taxes and other revenues"...

France: 53.8% of GDP

United States: 17% of GDP (22% if you count Social Security)

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (fuK7c)

255 Yeah, but it'll get worse before it gets better.

Guarantee that if there is violence against the government, when the dust settles, the left will be in charge.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:15 PM (GBteo)

Maybe France will get her General Pinochet. The French military cannot be too happy about being subordinated into some greater EU army.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (fDU8w)

256 I think we in the US pay wayyy more in taxes than the government tells us we do, when you really sit down and add it all up.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:35 PM (GBteo)

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Then go ahead and make your case. A blanket statement like that and then saying "prove me wrong" is not a very good argument.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (ffYR/)

257 Brennt Paris?

Saturday.

Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (gmo/4)

258 246 Macron and his elderly wife will depart from a Paris rooftop helipad and never be seen in France again.
Posted by: Tahitian Divorce at December 07, 2018 01:37 PM (uloIh)



That would be hilarious.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (NLLmE)

259 >>I know the left constantly says that and we seem to accept it as fact, but I'm being a bit of a contrarian here.

>>I don't think it's true.

I can give you an example. I was visiting a customer in Holland a few years ago. He had just received a new company car. Well, it was new to him but it was a couple years old Volvo wagon.

They are made almost right next door in Sweden but he was only given a used one because new ones were going for north of $80k thanks to the VAT and other taxes. Same car in the US was about half that much.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (/tuJf)

260 It doesn't look like Macron will survive and if he doesn't Trump can always hire him for what is his natural aptitude--concierge at one of Trump's hotels.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (NFEMn)

261 U.S. tax revenue as a percentage of GDP is well below the OECD average. For individual payroll taxes I believe the U.S. is 24th on the OECD list

Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (ELo06)

262 Damn! It's the sub pens at Saint Nazaire again!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (0tfLf)


---

still better than Schweinfurt

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (NhgkA)

263 245 221 The high end tax rate in the UK and places like France and Germany is minimum 40%; you can directly add VAT unless you consume nothing (dead) at 17-20%, then all the fun things like $4 a gallon gas tax, misc fees to live and breathe and you are at or near 70%. I think high end estimates for Cali are still 60% but they are gaining on their brothers in arms.
Posted by: rammajamma at December 07, 2018 01:37 PM (xceTB)

Okay, but if you're going to count an indirect tax like the VAT, you need to count all the indirect taxes businesses in the US pay and how those are passed along to consumers, too.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (GBteo)

264 "I wonder if they can outsource crowd control to the Chinese?"

Why not go for broke, and outsource it to the Rooftop Koreans?

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (fD23g)

265 113
This is the inevitable outcome of socialism. Sooner or later they run
out of other people's money and the whole scam falls apart.



And this is just the beginning. I expect this to play out throughout the EU.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:12 PM (/tuJf)

I hope it does, since I want the EU to fall apart I just don't want any great museums or landmarks damaged. The frogs used to care about things like their cultural riches. Not so much, any more...

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (d6Ksn)

266 Beverley Hillbillies #108 in which Jethro's French cousin Emmanuel learns that Presidentin' is hard.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (Boy/L)

267 261 U.S. tax revenue as a percentage of GDP is well below the OECD average. For individual payroll taxes I believe the U.S. is 24th on the OECD list
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (ELo06)

Federal, yes.

We have state, county, and local taxes, too, don't forget.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:41 PM (GBteo)

268 The seagoing Falcon 9 booster is in Port Canaveral now.

Posted by: rickl at December 07, 2018 01:41 PM (xjiRE)

269 This is why I never want a VAT here, unless income taxes are completely abolished, not just reduced. Too easy to slowly bump the percentages back up.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:34 PM (ffYR/)

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Yes. I could see having a national sales tax, if:

1.) Income tax is abolished; and

b.) We have an amendment to the Constitution stating that aggregate Federal taxes may not exceed 10% of GDP. Maybe 12%. Something that allows room for state and local governments to levy taxes without overburdening the economy.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 01:41 PM (AzW6q)

270 Where have you gone
Charles DeGaulle?
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you ...

Posted by: Les Frogs at December 07, 2018 01:41 PM (ctuyM)

271 260
It doesn't look like Macron will survive and if he doesn't Trump can
always hire him for what is his natural aptitude--concierge at one of
Trump's hotels.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (NFEMn)


Not on my watch.

Posted by: That guy who pops his mouth with his hand at December 07, 2018 01:41 PM (ymnmz)

272 Illegal Alien: Oh, I was carrying that guillotine around so I could chop some wood.

Newton, MA Judge: Sounds reasonable to me. You're free to go!

Posted by: MS-13 Chop Shop at December 07, 2018 01:41 PM (uloIh)

273 @130 Speaking of fan sites, here's amateur video of the Chinese moon launch. There is no official webcast.



*snip*---------------------
Bummer. Couldn't get it to work. The site came up. But after clicking through a couple of pop-up type things in Chinese over the video window, it just showed the Douyu.com logo. Clicking on the button that eventually appeared didn't do anything.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (Fp6vo)

274 "Flashballs you say? Go on ..." -- Obligatory Shep Smith

Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (esol0)

275 To TheJamesMadison - so sorry to hear of your loss. May prayers and love get you through this.

Once again, there is dust in the room.

Posted by: Rosasharn at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (gC288)

276 Wikipedia has a page for it, tax revenue to gdp ratio.

We're quite a bit lower than Europe at 26% of gdp. European union is listed at 35.7%. A number of them are a good bit higher than that.

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (XOBxb)

277 Marius: Vive l'amour!
Enjolras: Non, non, vive l'revolution!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b8CbOLUvvU
Hoisting the limousine liberals and trust-fund socialists on their own petard is fun!

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (Nk3Dy)

278
Damn! It's the sub pens at Saint Nazaire again!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (0tfLf) ---
still better than Schweinfurt

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (NhgkA)


Which was no Macho Grande

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (TAmPV)

279 239 Probably already mentioned up thread, but what does it say about supine, beaten-down Americans that we can't get 890 people to riot in DC against rampant taxation, let alone 89,000.

Seems to me we could use some of that surrender monkey spirit here.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (kqsXK)

+++

I was thinking about this. Pelosi is at the helm again and again inviting every third-world shit-hole shit into our country to go directly on to welfare. If you don't agree with her, you are a miserable scum and selfish.

Millions of these people are robbing us blind. Where is the outrage? Where are the torches and matches?

Some suggest that if we were to have these fantastic gas taxes, that it would somehow move us to revolt.

I don't even see this as happening.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (rE1pK)

280 >>It doesn't look like Macron will survive and if he doesn't Trump can
always hire him for what is his natural aptitude--concierge at one of
Trump's hotels.

I wish to rent a rhhooom.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (/tuJf)

281 Bummer. Couldn't get it to work. The site came up. But after clicking through a couple of pop-up type things in Chinese over the video window, it just showed the Douyu.com logo. Clicking on the button that eventually appeared didn't do anything.
Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (Fp6vo)

Congratulations. Your computer now has more viruses than Bill Clinton's clackerbag.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (AURKQ)

282 Then go ahead and make your case. A blanket statement like that and then saying "prove me wrong" is not a very good argument.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:39 PM (ffYR/)

Well, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but when I tried to run the numbers on my effective total tax rate a few years back (granted, I lived in a high tax state at the time and was making low six figures), I was north of 75%, and I didn't get too far in to possible indirect taxes I'm paying like FDA inspection costs on the meat I'm buying.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:43 PM (GBteo)

283 These are total tax revenue values and not federal only. Our federal tends to be between 15% and 20%.

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:43 PM (XOBxb)

284 OT ... NC Gov announcing state of emergency and calling out national guard, pre-positioning utility trucks ... for the snow/ice storm coming this weekend.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2018 01:43 PM (Cus5s)

285 State. County and local taxes are considered in the OECD numbers.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (ELo06)

286 Which was no Macho Grande

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM



I was wondering how long that would take.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (0tfLf)

287 Second look at Napoleon?

Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (esol0)

288 what's the condensed version of this clusterfork? or, should i wait for the movie, with subtitles? moar reading.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (KP5rU)

289 Maybe France will get her General Pinochet.

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I don't know if the French military is large or vital enough for a cadre of patriotic, ambitious young captains and colonels to pull off a coup. Would be nice to see socialist globalists being tossed from Eurocopters, though.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (AzW6q)

290 Steiner viendra.

Posted by: Marshal Philippe Pétain at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (ctuyM)

291 and by b) I mean I get pissed when my standard of living drops a little bit due to higher taxes, sure. But someone who is about to get cut off from a lifestyle of free food, housing, cell phones, everything? Yeah, they have a lot more to lose.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:18 PM (GBteo)

But the Free Shit Army mostly lack the skills and wherewithal to do anything but become cannon fodder.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (fDU8w)

292 Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2018 01:43 PM (Cus5s)


Is this more snow and ice than NC has had to deal with before, or it's just early?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (AllCR)

293 Second look at German occupation?

Posted by: Naked Hunch at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (uloIh)

294 Where have you gone
Charles DeGaulle?
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you ...



Charles de Gaulle was a major league asshat.

Churchill hated him during the war.

Biggest thing he did as President was to de-couple France's nuclear force (which, btw, we gave them. They didn't develop their own) from NATO to create a "force du frappe".

Don't start going all Pinochet on de Gaulle.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (fuK7c)

295 275 To TheJamesMadison - so sorry to hear of your loss. May prayers and love get you through this.

Once again, there is dust in the room.

Posted by: Rosasharn at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (gC28

This. Repeating from last thread, I am so sorry for your loss.

If you need an assist on the movie thread, just let me know.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (t6MX/)

296 279 239 Probably already mentioned up thread, but what does it say about supine, beaten-down Americans that we can't get 890 people to riot in DC against rampant taxation, let alone 89,000.

Seems to me we could use some of that surrender monkey spirit here.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (kqsXK)

+++

I was thinking about this. Pelosi is at the helm again and again inviting every third-world shit-hole shit into our country to go directly on to welfare. If you don't agree with her, you are a miserable scum and selfish.

Millions of these people are robbing us blind. Where is the outrage? Where are the torches and matches?

Some suggest that if we were to have these fantastic gas taxes, that it would somehow move us to revolt.

I don't even see this as happening.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (rE1pK)

We're a big country. I sure as hell can't skip work and travel 2k miles on a whim.

France is very much a 'one city' country in the sense that the balance of power is focused on Paris. (I'm aware that France has lots of cities). And getting to Paris is fairly trivial from most of France.

But, yeah, conservatives suck at organizing, motivating and breaking shit/people.

My wife won't even let me, ah, 'counter protest' local antifa types.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (bcbK8)

297 It's Les Mis all over again! To the barricades!

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (fD23g)

298 Okay, but if you're going to count an indirect tax
like the VAT, you need to count all the indirect taxes businesses in the
US pay and how those are passed along to consumers, too.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (GBteo)

Meh. Just look at how we live. Americans have long been freer in their individual travel and our houses were always much larger than the average in Europe. Europeans used to be amazed that we had more than one bathroom in a house (and the French are still amazed by houses that have even one bathroom, as they are still smitten with the longing to piss in the corners of their rooms).
We also had better health care than the Eurotrash (up until recently), whose systems mostly lived by drafting off of our system - i.e. we were paying for a lot of their systems, soo. On top of all that, we paid for their security.
Even with all that, we have still paid less in taxes.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (sG6l8)

299 218 MSM seems kind of lax in reporting this. I wonder why that could possibly be?!/s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (AllCR)

Be prepared for "No one saw this coming" vein of narrative if the whole thing goes pear shaped

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (0Ntuf)

300 >>I was wondering how long that would take.


Wait all you want, you will never get over Macho Grande.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (B2l4d)

301 292
Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2018 01:43 PM (Cus5s)





Is this more snow and ice than NC has had to deal with before, or it's just early?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (AllCR)


That's Governor Leia Organa of North Carolina?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (ymnmz)

302 Your tax situation is not necessarily representative. A lot of people pay very low or negative effective tax rates.

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (XOBxb)

303 Second look at Napoleon?
Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (esol0)

I'd take a second look at the handsome 32 year old who's the heir to the Bonaparte family

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (AllCR)

304 I was north of 75%, and I didn't get too far in to possible indirect taxes I'm paying like FDA inspection costs on the meat I'm buying.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:43 PM (GBteo)



If you're trying to get down to that point then you're just being stupid. European countries will have that sort of stuff as well. Are you going to factor in those costs to their tax rate as well?

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (cAnNx)

305 BREAKING: Tara Reid is accusing the producers of "Sharknado" of making a killing off her face by licensing her image for slot machines without her permission, and now the actress is fishing for $100 million in damages.

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (QkjLD)

306 140 It looks like Disney has managed to surmount the Uncanny Valley effect for this new ride at Tokyo Disney. James Cameron should take note.

surmount uncanny valley!

Posted by: Rejected Pearl Harbor Code Phrases at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (xGZ+b)

307
89,000 is a LOT.

I was in Cairo when President Bush (41) visited on his way back from Desert Shield. The Egyptians had 50,000 troops on the street.

Cairo is a big city, I would guess roughly the same as Paris.

With 50k troops, they had an armed man about every 50 meters on both sides of the street on all of the main thoroughfares.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 01:06 PM (9VeU0)





Heh. While you were in Cairo, I was in the Sinai.

Don't know about nowadays, but back then every uniformed Egyptian cop carried an AK. Even the Tourist Police.

Yes, the Egyptians actually have a Tourist Police force.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 07, 2018 01:47 PM (veoSD)

308 I was thinking about this. Pelosi is at the helm again and again inviting every third-world shit-hole shit into our country to go directly on to welfare. If you don't agree with her, you are a miserable scum and selfish.

Millions of these people are robbing us blind. Where is the outrage? Where are the torches and matches?

Some suggest that if we were to have these fantastic gas taxes, that it would somehow move us to revolt.

I don't even see this as happening.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (rE1pK)

You reminded me of the ONE drawback to having Trump as President-- no matter what he wants to do, the Democrats want to do the opposite so that means MORE immigrants, MORE benefits, MORE sanctuary cities. And because they won control of the House, they think the American public wants the same thing.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 01:47 PM (NFEMn)

309 246 Macron and his elderly wife will depart from a Paris rooftop helipad and never be seen in France again.

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Elba is nice this time of year

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:47 PM (NhgkA)

310 FWIW:

According to a Frog I know, the environmentalist, PRO-tax protesters were organized by the government itself.
The idea is to create an image (mainly for TV) that the taxes are "controversial," that as many people want them as don't.
As we all know, cameras can easily make one crowd look as big as the other.

What caught Macron et alia by surprise was not opposition to the taxes in certain quarters, which they fully expected. They also expected big marches.
What gob-smacked them was the overwhelming popular approval the Yellow-Jackets have been getting.

They are trying to reframe the issue as being SOLELY about AGW, positioning the Yellow-Jackets as being, not against Macron, but against Mother Gaia. Hence mobilization of the holy cultists as counter-protesters.

It doesn't look like violence between the Y-Js and the cops will help the government at all. But if the cameras can get Y-Js smacking the Gaia devotees around,.....






Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 07, 2018 01:47 PM (Rxduq)

311
How does google know?
Now I'm getting suggested clips from 'Casablanca'.


Posted by: Kor Neil Youse at December 07, 2018 01:47 PM (hrcfq)

312 305 BREAKING: Tara Reid is accusing the producers of "Sharknado" of making a killing off her face by licensing her image for slot machines without her permission, and now the actress is fishing for $100 million in damages.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (QkjLD)

Seeing "Tara Reid" and "slot machine" in such close proximity just gave my humor cortex a catastrophic hemorrhage.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (AURKQ)

313 Indirect taxes show up as tax revenue such as the impact of a gasoline tax on the price of food. Fines might not, idk how much fringe category stuff there could be though.

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (XOBxb)

314 306
140 It looks like Disney has managed to surmount the Uncanny Valley
effect for this new ride at Tokyo Disney. James Cameron should take
note.



surmount uncanny valley!



Posted by: Rejected Pearl Harbor Code Phrases at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (xGZ+b)


Ride the Jelly Tensor!!

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (ymnmz)

315 >>BREAKING: Tara Reid is accusing the producers of "Sharknado" of making a killing off her face by licensing her image for slot machines without her permission, and now the actress is fishing for $100 million in damages.


I hope she wins. Then maybe she can afford to get her nipples fixed.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (B2l4d)

316 "Is this more snow and ice than NC has had to deal with before, or it's just early?Posted by: FenelonSpoke

yeah it is a pretty major storm ... sounds like some records ... and it will stay cold after, so power outages would be serious ... especially since people and road crews are less equipped than say ... Wisconsin.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (Cus5s)

317 Temps pour le pop-corn

Posted by: clutch cargo at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (TUU1F)

318 The French are odd.

And I'm not really sure how I mean that.

I observe, they tend to put up with a lot, then hit a breaking point and go berserk. Killing everybody: Their perceived internal enemies, then co revolutionaries, and eventually other countries. (Although I don't see any Napolean sauntering around. Yet.)

Mostly bored ennui, interrupted by decades of insane rage and chaos.

Frites all around, gonna be an interesting weekend.

Posted by: simplemind at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (SwDl4)

319 But if the cameras can get Y-Js smacking the Gaia devotees around,.....


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.... the whole world cheers.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2018 01:49 PM (8XRCm)

320 Born in 1994 so 2011...carry the one.. She was a minor at the time of the assault.


Seriously, Liberal Women think the worst of men because Liberal Men are the worst of men.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2018 01:49 PM (yQpMk)

321 @235
This is nothing like the Tea Party rallies. It's a nation state with
a definable culture and very long history striking back that the EU,
ruling.class, elites, and non Citizens who seek to destroy it and them.



Like I said earlier, 100% predictable as soon as the EU was dreamt up.------------------
I think you're missing my point. I'm saying that the yellow jacket demonstrations aren't the result of some organization having laid lots of groundwork, and coming to this with a large list of demands. This isn't the result of a group like the French version of the Service Employees Union organizing a series of rallies and strikes. It's a more spontaneous populist type of event where a straw that broke the camel's back caused people to finally get fed up enough to take to the streets. In that respect, they're similar to the early Tea Party rallies, which were also more or less a spontaneous thing.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:49 PM (Fp6vo)

322 MSM seems kind of lax in reporting this. I wonder why that could possibly be?!/s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (AllCR)

Be prepared for "No one saw this coming" vein of narrative if the whole thing goes pear shaped
Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2018 01:45 PM (0Ntuf)

And watch them twist themselves into pretzels while they simultaneously deny that the protesters are "inspired" by Trump.....and blame Trump for the world going mad.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 01:49 PM (NFEMn)

323 dammit, wrong thread.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2018 01:50 PM (yQpMk)

324 278
Damn! It's the sub pens at Saint Nazaire again!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (0tfLf) ---
still better than Schweinfurt

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (NhgkA)


Which was no Macho Grande
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (TAmPV)

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Word

Posted by: Zombie George Zip at December 07, 2018 01:51 PM (NhgkA)

325 315; garrett, for sure. how high do you have to be to take an icepick to your nipples?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 07, 2018 01:51 PM (KP5rU)

326
MSM seems kind of lax in reporting this. I wonder why that could possibly be?!/s
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Haven't been able to tie it to Trump.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2018 01:51 PM (aKsyK)

327 But I can give you rough numbers...

In 2014ish, I made $120,000ish (for rounding sake) and took the standard deduction. I'm going from memory here.

My direct taxes for one year were:
I paid $40,000ish in federal income & FICA taxes.
$7,000ish in state income taxes.
$7,000 in property taxes
$500 in gas taxes
$200ish in tolls
$500ish for personal property tax & vehicle registration on my car
$1200ish in sales taxes
+ alcohol & cigarette taxes (forget those numbers)

So those were my direct taxes.

Now try to start computing the indirect taxes. This is where it gets tricky. Obviously the taxes & fees that companies I do business with are passed on to me. This is where the real hidden taxes (like the VAT in Europe) are.

Start to try to figure this out. For example, it costs roughly $100 for a tractor trailer to cross the GW Bridge from NJ to NY. Many of the goods I buy have that $100 built in to them. For a loaf of bread, we're talking pennies. For a car, we're talking several dollars.

Start trying to add that stuff up, and I think you'll see what I mean about our effective tax burdens being way higher then they seem at first glance.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:51 PM (GBteo)

328 287 Second look at Napoleon?
Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (esol0)

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does the 100 days ring a bell?

Posted by: Zombie George Zip at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (NhgkA)

329 @307 Don't know about nowadays, but back then every uniformed Egyptian cop carried an AK. Even the Tourist Police.

Yes, the Egyptians actually have a Tourist Police force.
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Given that tourist resorts are a favorite target of the local terrorists, it makes sense.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (Fp6vo)

330 315 >>BREAKING: Tara Reid is accusing the producers of "Sharknado" of making a killing off her face by licensing her image for slot machines without her permission, and now the actress is fishing for $100 million in damages.


I hope she wins. Then maybe she can afford to get her nipples fixed.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (B2l4d)



I'm thinking that probably falls under some sort of "promotional materials" licensing and she ain't gonna get shit. I mean they could be dumb enough to not have something like that in their contract because that studio would never have thought they'd have something popular enough that they could license like Sharknado. So who knows.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (cAnNx)

331
"Yellow Jackets:"

How do you say in French: "I'm a rambling wreck from Georgia Tech and a hell'va nice guy."

Posted by: YIKES! at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (RKcPZ)

332 BREAKING: Tara Reid is accusing the producers of "Sharknado" of making a killing off her face by licensing her image for slot machines without her permission, and now the actress is fishing for $100 million in damages.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (QkjLD)

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Sounds like she is looking for about $5-10 million in a "just go away" settlement.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (ffYR/)

333 For the 'ettes. Heer's a picture of Jean Christophe, Prince Napoleon:


https://tinyurl.com/y7w82uhr

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (AllCR)

334 When you put together a majority coalition to abuse power and completely obliterate minority rights, this is what happens.

Hello, Blue States.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (ELo06)

335 17 Spoke with my friends in France. It is going to be a wild weekend throughout the entire country.

Biggest fear is exploitation by the muslims from the no-go zones.

They may get the band back to together and go on the road.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2018 01:05 PM (H7LIz)

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It would be better if the mobs went into the no-go zones and burned them out.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (4yx3b)

336 So who's fighting who over what now?
Too little too late anyhow.

They should stop bucking so much and maybe their Islamo/Leftist/Globalist masters won't push so hard.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (8tNRg)

337 What caught Macron et alia by surprise was not opposition to the taxes in certain quarters, which they fully expected.
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Apparently police union told Prince Adam that they'd side with protestors, which precipitated the Governments decision to outright cancel the proposed tax. They hoped they yellow jackets would stay home as a result. So yeah, No.

Posted by: simplemind at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (gplHv)

338
My betters never pass up the opportunity to lecture me on the superiority of Europe over the US.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2018 01:53 PM (BWL+E)

339 108 Eh, this'll be like two homos slap fighting over the last tube of dick toothpaste.

I have no idea what that means.
Posted by: MJ at December 07, 2018 01:16 PM (LQtHg)
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I hope she wins. Then maybe she can afford to get her nipples fixed.
Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (B2l4d)
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I love this place.

Posted by: jhawk90 at December 07, 2018 01:53 PM (Xvo1a)

340 Tara Reid should be happy that her face is on something other than a milk carton or a crime blotter. She was genuinely cute when she was young. But man did her trashiness take a toll.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 07, 2018 01:53 PM (49UDy)

341 Torches and pitchforks time.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 07, 2018 01:53 PM (kG5hP)

342 Wonder if those troops in Paris are being pulled from the frontier defenses. Jetzt werden wir die Panzer aufwarmen...

Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 01:54 PM (Bdeb0)

343 There aren't any no-go zones in Europe, c'mon now

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 01:54 PM (z2W2E)

344 Avengers trailer out.

Posted by: Max Power at December 07, 2018 01:54 PM (QCc6B)

345 Here's something that may or may not be interesting.

I'm looking at Le Parisien because the boss has Le Figaro covered. All of the top stories and half of the sub stories are about the Gilets Jaunes.

The country next door is barely noticing it. There are no front page stories on the FAZ or Bild.

Are the Germans just saying "oh, the Frogs are being nutty again"? It's odd. It feels that this should seem more serious from next door.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2018 01:54 PM (fuK7c)

346 It would be better if the mobs went into the no-go zones and burned them out.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (4yx3b)

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**taps chin**

Amazon
International Shipping
"Crusaders!!" tee shirts

Some assembly required

Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2018 01:54 PM (8XRCm)

347
BREAKING: Tara Reid is accusing the producers of "Sharknado" of making a killing off her face by licensing her image for slot machines without her permission, and now the actress is fishing for $100 million in damages.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (QkjLD)


Good luck proving that. I just looked at the machine and she's not the only face on it.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 01:54 PM (TAmPV)

348 Meh - I can't see the frogs electing anyone to the right of Marcon. Nope. They'll go full-commie.


And for anyone thinking that electoral stupidity is limited to France? Take a good long look at what happened in CT and NJ just a month ago.

Posted by: DocJ at December 07, 2018 01:55 PM (NYS7S)

349 Start trying to add that stuff up, and I think you'll see what I mean about our effective tax burdens being way higher then they seem at first glance.


I'm sure worked that way, they are way higher than then seem in France as well. I look at it this way, lower middle class people in the US have more and better stuff than the upper middle class in Europe, so someone is grifting it over there one way or another.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 07, 2018 01:55 PM (yQpMk)

350 306 140 It looks like Disney has managed to surmount the Uncanny Valley effect for this new ride at Tokyo Disney. James Cameron should take note.

surmount uncanny valley!
Posted by: Rejected Pearl Harbor Code Phrases at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (xGZ+b)

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Climb mounds NikkiHaley

Posted by: Zombie George Zip at December 07, 2018 01:55 PM (NhgkA)

351 Can we hire these guys to police the border? It'd be multinational, and thus OK, plus France has an old score to settle there.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 07, 2018 01:56 PM (VaN/j)

352 one of the 'sensitive zones' is the Place de la Bastille

heh


it's the red circle to the right of the map, just north of the Seine. A canal runs underneath it--for realzz


karma, zut alors!

Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 07, 2018 01:56 PM (9HuGt)

353 If you're trying to get down to that point then you're just being stupid. European countries will have that sort of stuff as well. Are you going to factor in those costs to their tax rate as well?
Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (cAnNx)

I'm not trying to be stupid, I'm just saying that each and every tax, fee, regulation, etc. adds to an individuals tax burden.

Let me put it this way: it's fairly straight forward to calculate a 25% VAT tax and how that impacts your purchases, right? (well, somewhat straight forward).

But in France, for example (and I have no idea if this is true), the manufacturer may have to add that VAT tax, but may not be paying a provincial / state tax, and/or may be paying a much lower effective tax rate on the property that the factory sits on then a company does in the US. They may have much lower compliance and regulatory costs (I doubt it, but I don't know).

There are all kinds of expenses beyond just a VAT tax that the government imposes on businesses, which get passed to the consumer.

And by design, it's damned near impossible to figure out exactly how much of your earnings in a year are being vacuumed up at some level by some level of government. But when you start really thinking about it, you realize that way more of your income then you thought is indirectly or directly going to some level of government somewhere.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 01:56 PM (GBteo)

354 Seeing "Tara Reid" and "slot machine" in such close proximity just gave my humor cortex a catastrophic hemorrhage.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (AURKQ)

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everyone's a WINNER

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:56 PM (NhgkA)

355
Here's something that may or may not be interesting.

I'm looking at Le Parisien because the boss has Le Figaro covered. All of the top stories and half of the sub stories are about the Gilets Jaunes.

The country next door is barely noticing it. There are no front page stories on the FAZ or Bild.

Are the Germans just saying "oh, the Frogs are being nutty again"? It's odd. It feels that this should seem more serious from next door.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2018 01:54 PM (fuK7c)





I suspect they're more focused on Merkel's fall as head of the CDU.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 07, 2018 01:56 PM (veoSD)

356 Some suggest that if we were to have these fantastic gas taxes, that it would somehow move us to revolt.

I don't even see this as happening.
Posted by: washriverga


I just paid $1.84/gal.

Think what people would do at $7.00 - $8.00/gal.
Costs me $31.28 to fill up. (17 gal tank)

Wonder how long it'd take people to pop at $120.00 to $135.00 a fill up.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:56 PM (KUNWw)

357 I hope she wins. Then maybe she can afford to get her nipples fixed.
Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2018 01:48 PM (B2l4d)

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then they'll never have babies

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (NhgkA)

358
Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoleon, is the current pretender to the Imperial throne of France. He's the great-great-great-great-nephew of Emperor Napoleon. And ladies, he's single!

Posted by: josephistan at December 07, 2018 01:21 PM (7HtZB)




So you're saying that Napoleon is solo?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (SiINZ)

359
But... but, the American war machine consumes half the federal budget!!1!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (BWL+E)

360 If you start hearing "Le Boudin" The crap is about to become real.

Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (gmo/4)

361 France has an old score to settle there.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 07, 2018 01:56 PM (VaN/j)

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Oooooo . Oooooooo. Call on meeeeeee Mister Kotter!!!!


What is the Battle of Peublo!!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (8XRCm)

362 And watch them twist themselves into pretzels while they simultaneously deny that the protesters are "inspired" by Trump.....and blame Trump for the world going mad.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 01:49 PM (NFEMn)

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Some of the protestors were chanting Trump's name, as in "We want our own Trump". That is more than enough for them to tie it back to PDT.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (ffYR/)

363 You can't figure it easily on an individual basis but tax revenue as percentage of gdp should present it accurately on a country wide basis. Obvious problem with the value is that some people pay next to no taxes whereas others pay a ton. I vaguely recall a news story about a football player who was hit by so many taxes he made negative money in a game.

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (XOBxb)

364 308 I was thinking about this. Pelosi is at the helm again and again inviting every third-world shit-hole shit into our country to go directly on to welfare. If you don't agree with her, you are a miserable scum and selfish.

Millions of these people are robbing us blind. Where is the outrage? Where are the torches and matches?

Some suggest that if we were to have these fantastic gas taxes, that it would somehow move us to revolt.

I don't even see this as happening.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (rE1pK)

You reminded me of the ONE drawback to having Trump as President-- no matter what he wants to do, the Democrats want to do the opposite so that means MORE immigrants, MORE benefits, MORE sanctuary cities. And because they won control of the House, they think the American public wants the same thing.
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Well, Pelosi would exactly be like Macron if she were allowed to get her way. To which I say, someone fetch a pail of cold reality water and see if it's true about witches. But France is France, where Paris is where it all goes down. The USA is larger, and a little less centralized, regardless of what elites clustered in the coastal sprawls think. Yeah, shit might not go down like Paris in D.C.. But if a gas tax that resulted in a 50% total increase went down nationally, Kasich and the wife would be helicopter evaced to Long Island for their own safety. I daresay some other Morons would say the same for their own states.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (Nk3Dy)

365 @342 Wonder if those troops in Paris are being pulled from the frontier defenses. Jetzt werden wir die Panzer aufwarmen...
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Who's gonna invade right now? The Germans can't even keep their tanks running. Spain's got internal problems, from what I understand. The southerneastern border is Italy. I trust I don't have to say anything about them. Belgium? Don't make me laugh. Netherlands is far too small. Luxembourg's army is a glorified police force.

I suppose that leaves the Gnomes of Zurich, if they were to decide to descend from their mountain holdfasts.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (Fp6vo)

366
So, zee Macaroon is evacuated from the palace and takes refuge in exile with zee Canadian pansy?

Posted by: Zombie Charles de'Gaulle at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (UFLLM)

367 328 287 Second look at Napoleon?
Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (esol0)

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does the 100 days ring a bell?
Posted by: Zombie George Zip at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (NhgkA)

If only Davout had been willing to once again take the field... instead of staying in Paris.


With him as second in command vice Ney (Bravest of the Brave, Stupidest of the Stupid), Waterloo would have had a very different outcome.

Europe would be a way different place today.

Posted by: Don Quixote at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (NgKpN)

368 325 315; garrett, for sure. how high do you have to be to take an icepick to your nipples?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 07, 2018 01:51 PM (KP5rU)

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I'd guess about 4 feet, unless it's AtC

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (NhgkA)

369
324 278
Damn! It's the sub pens at Saint Nazaire again!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:29 PM (0tfLf) ---
still better than Schweinfurt

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:40 PM (NhgkA)


Which was no Macho Grande
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 01:42 PM (TAmPV)

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Word

Posted by: Zombie George Zip at December 07, 2018 01:51 PM


Stryker was the squadron leader. He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (0tfLf)

370 BREAKING: Tara Reid is accusing the producers of "Sharknado" of making a killing off her face by licensing her image for slot machines without her permission, and now the actress is fishing for $100 million in damages.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (QkjLD)


Good luck proving that. I just looked at the machine and she's not the only face on it.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic


Depends on the contract. Most feature movies have separate contracts for merch. For the longest time, many a-listers refused to allow merch with their face on it.

I have to imagine the Sharkanado company made sure the likeness for merch was part of the contract. They're a B-movie company that was hiring C-listers for joke movies, for cripe's sake.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (ZejZP)

371
268 The seagoing Falcon 9 booster is in Port Canaveral now.

the one lost in the recent canoeing accident?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (xGZ+b)

372 @345 The country next door is barely noticing it. There are no front page stories on the FAZ or Bild.

Are the Germans just saying "oh, the Frogs are being nutty again"? It's odd. It feels that this should seem more serious from next door.
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Maybe they're worried that the German populists would get inspired?

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (Fp6vo)

373 Le purge

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 01:59 PM (NhgkA)

374 I suspect they're more focused on Merkel's fall as head of the CDU.


They are. But all this week I've basically had to use the search function to find stories on France.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2018 01:59 PM (fuK7c)

375 BREAKING: Tara Reid is accusing the producers of "Sharknado" of making a killing off her face by licensing her image for slot machines without her permission, and now the actress is fishing for $100 million in damages.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (QkjLD)


Good luck proving that. I just looked at the machine and she's not the only face on it.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic


Also, read the fine print of the contracts.
"Something something likeness across all modalities"...

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 01:59 PM (KUNWw)

376
The French security forces, when the solids hit the air conditioning, aren't going to care a bit for human rights or the gentle treatment of anyone they perceive as threatening the country. They'd hook you up to an electric cord and turn on the juice as soon as draw a breath.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2018 02:00 PM (BWL+E)

377 Maybe they're worried that the German populists would get inspired?
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Bingo. Same for US Media.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2018 02:00 PM (2LelM)

378 360 If you start hearing "Le Boudin" The crap is about to become real.
Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (gmo/4)

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the Songs of angry Men.

Posted by: Don Quixote at December 07, 2018 02:00 PM (NgKpN)

379 @358 So you're saying that Napoleon is solo?
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More like he's dynamite!

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 02:00 PM (Fp6vo)

380 332 BREAKING: Tara Reid is accusing the producers of "Sharknado" of making a killing off her face by licensing her image for slot machines without her permission, and now the actress is fishing for $100 million in damages.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2018 01:46 PM (QkjLD)

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Sounds like she is looking for about $5-10 million in a "just go away" settlement.

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Tara Reid and slot machine....heh. Girl, you were a hottie and a hot property once upon a time, but you let it all go to hell.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 02:00 PM (Nk3Dy)

381
365 @342 Wonder if those troops in Paris are being pulled from the frontier defenses. Jetzt werden wir die Panzer aufwarmen...
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Who's gonna invade right now? The Germans can't even keep their tanks running. Spain's got internal problems, from what I understand. The southerneastern border is Italy. I trust I don't have to say anything about them. Belgium? Don't make me laugh. Netherlands is far too small. Luxembourg's army is a glorified police force.

I suppose that leaves the Gnomes of Zurich, if they were to decide to descend from their mountain holdfasts.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (Fp6vo)









*whistles absently*

Posted by: The mohammedans at December 07, 2018 02:00 PM (veoSD)

382 Cost of regulation to US economy usually comes out to aroubd 20%(if the us economy is the 80). So treat it as a multplicative tax of 20%. (80% times post income tax sort of taxes)

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 02:01 PM (XOBxb)

383 362 Some of the protestors were chanting Trump's name, as in "We want our own Trump".

fake news. you gotta pay attention if you're going to keep up on the apples/bananas thing.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 07, 2018 02:01 PM (xGZ+b)

384
Some of the protestors were chanting Trump's name, as in "We want our own Trump". That is more than enough for them to tie it back to PDT.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (ffYR/)

True, but my point is the media usually gets wet and nostalgic when covering "protesters." but if the protesters are "inspired" by Trump, they can't say that.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 02:01 PM (NFEMn)

385 So you're saying that Napoleon is solo?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (SiINZ)

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Tell it to the Han

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 02:01 PM (NhgkA)

386 We need to send Nanzi Pelosi with her HUGE gavel to frighten the Yellow Jackets. Maybe she can call them racists? That always works.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2018 02:01 PM (2LelM)

387 367 328 287 Second look at Napoleon?
Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 07, 2018 01:44 PM (esol0)

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does the 100 days ring a bell?
Posted by: Zombie George Zip at December 07, 2018 01:52 PM (NhgkA)

If only Davout had been willing to once again take the field... instead of staying in Paris.


With him as second in command vice Ney (Bravest of the Brave, Stupidest of the Stupid), Waterloo would have had a very different outcome.

Europe would be a way different place today.
Posted by: Don Quixote at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (NgKpN)

Or if Murat hadn't gone on a side trip to try to re-take Naples

Posted by: josephistan at December 07, 2018 02:01 PM (7HtZB)

388 But in France, for example (and I have no idea if this is true), the manufacturer may have to add that VAT tax, but may not be paying a provincial / state tax, and/or may be paying a much lower effective tax rate on the property that the factory sits on then a company does in the US. They may have much lower compliance and regulatory costs (I doubt it, but I don't know).


Exactly. You don't know. So when you're trying to get down to such a point of minutiae like that on the US (when you're going on one of the most ridiculously high tax borderline euro socialist like states tax rates already) to then claim that we're paying higher taxes than Europe when you have absolutely no clue on that minutiae of tax burden in those European countries, you're being stupid.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2018 02:02 PM (cAnNx)

389
The southerneastern border is Italy. I trust I don't have to say anything about them.


Those are mountain Italians on the border and they're a bit different. They're the ones who were setting up road blocks to prevent their own government from settling refugees there.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 02:02 PM (TAmPV)

390 >>I suspect they're more focused on Merkel's fall as head of the CDU. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 07, 2018 01:56 PM (veoSD)

That's what faz.de shows. There's only a commentary about Macron.

Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 02:02 PM (Bdeb0)

391 363 You can't figure it easily on an individual basis but tax revenue as percentage of gdp should present it accurately on a country wide basis. Obvious problem with the value is that some people pay next to no taxes whereas others pay a ton. I vaguely recall a news story about a football player who was hit by so many taxes he made negative money in a game.
Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (XOBxb)

Right. You have an issue with averages. (some people even have negative tax burdens. That fucks with your numbers bigly.)

You also have an issue that a lot of tax revenue, especially at state & local levels is just hard to calculate when you're trying to come up with these numbers.

How do you figure out the gas tax and its effect on an individual? I guess you could add up the entire amount of gas tax paid in a state, divide it by the number of cars registered in the state. But even then, you're getting skewed numbers. How many people paying the tax were just passing through? How many people have registered cars that they either don't drive at all or barely drive? How many people are (like I was) putting 40,000+ miles on their cars?

How much of that tax was paid by local businesses, who passed the expense on to consumers?

You could also sit down and try to add up every single tax brought in by every level of government in the country. Theoretically, it would be possible to get that number.

But then what? Divide that on a per capita basis? We know taxes arent' distributed equally per capita.

Take it as a percentage of gdp? That's kind of a strange method when you think about it, since GDP includes a hell of a lot of government spending that skews numbers and doesn't really tell you what an individuals tax burden is anyways.

Divide it by number of people who filed tax returns? Now we're back to our skewed averages problem.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 02:02 PM (GBteo)

392 Remain calm! James Taylor is en route!

Posted by: John "Chip Diller" Kerry at December 07, 2018 02:02 PM (ctuyM)

393 372 @345 The country next door is barely noticing it. There are no front page stories on the FAZ or Bild.

Are the Germans just saying "oh, the Frogs are being nutty again"? It's odd. It feels that this should seem more serious from next door.
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Maybe they're worried that the German populists would get inspired?
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From what I've seen, this situation is already old hat in Germany, but is not receiving the favorable new coverage. Die Merkel is staying in power because the sturmtruppen haven't turned their backs to her yet.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 02:03 PM (Nk3Dy)

394 Wonder how long it'd take people to pop at $120.00 to $135.00 a fill up.

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The increased cost was the final straw after a long train of abuses

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 02:03 PM (z2W2E)

395 This should go good. Pretty good. Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.

Posted by: Larry David at December 07, 2018 02:03 PM (BDZWU)

396 @381 *whistles absently*
Posted by: The mohammedans at December 07, 2018 02:00 PM (veoSD)

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You only need to invade if you're not already inside.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 02:03 PM (Fp6vo)

397 Stryker was the squadron leader. He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (0tfLf)

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It would be a great comedy if Airplane! did not exist.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 07, 2018 02:03 PM (NhgkA)

398 Are the Fench yutes getting any side action on the car burning?

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2018 02:03 PM (9VeU0)

399 Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (Nk3Dy)

+++

Not too long ago, under Obama, gas prices were teetering close to $5.00/gallon in some states - CA & HI. I know I was paying over $4.00 sometimes. Not a ripple in the complaint dept. You seem to be convinced that if it hit say, $8.00, or more that this would engage the masses into some sort of protest? I still can't see it.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2018 02:03 PM (rE1pK)

400 Stryker was the squadron leader. He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (0tfLf)

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Yes I could!

Posted by: Buddy at December 07, 2018 02:04 PM (NhgkA)

401 >>The Germans can't even keep their tanks running.

"The post-Potsdam 'armaments limitations' deception is working splendidly, Kaiserin Merkel. We await your command."

Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 02:04 PM (Bdeb0)

402 Not too long ago, under Obama, gas prices were teetering close to $5.00/gallon in some states - CA & HI. I know I was paying over $4.00 sometimes. Not a ripple in the complaint dept. You seem to be convinced that if it hit say, $8.00, or more that this would engage the masses into some sort of protest? I still can't see it.
Posted by: washrivergal


You can afford $275.00 every two weeks? Just on gas?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 02:04 PM (KUNWw)

403 Some of the protestors were chanting Trump's name, as in "We want our own Trump". That is more than enough for them to tie it back to PDT.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (ffYR/)


That was in Britain; the Ewok out front (in the sidebar) should have told you.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 07, 2018 02:05 PM (t6MX/)

404 Tell it to the Han
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Don't bring us into this mess. I'm hoping we somehow survive Winnie the Pooh on the throne.

Posted by: Emperor Xian at December 07, 2018 02:05 PM (Fp6vo)

405 So what's the over/under of France 18 looking like Hungary 56? Will a Western government take that next level step against it's own citizens?

Posted by: rammajamma at December 07, 2018 02:05 PM (xceTB)

406 Maybe Trump should declare himself French emperor-in-waiting.

Posted by: Zod at December 07, 2018 02:05 PM (Bdeb0)

407

Senior officials for the Venezuelan government have reportedly travelled to London for crunch talks with the Bank of England as they seek to repatriate more than $500 million of gold back to Caracas.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2018 02:06 PM (aKsyK)

408 Exactly. You don't know. So when you're trying to get down to such a point of minutiae like that on the US (when you're going on one of the most ridiculously high tax borderline euro socialist like states tax rates already) to then claim that we're paying higher taxes than Europe when you have absolutely no clue on that minutiae of tax burden in those European countries, you're being stupid.
Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2018 02:02 PM (cAnNx)

I'm not being stupid, I'm trying to posit a math problem.

And that's the second time you've called me stupid on this. I made a claim (I don't think our tax burden is much different than it is throughout Europe), used myself as an example, you countered with "THEY HAVE A VAT" and I said, "yes, but we have a fuckton of indirect taxes too."

I gave examples, and you called me stupid.

"durrr your stupid" is not exactly a winning argument, dude.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 02:06 PM (GBteo)

409 406 Maybe Trump should declare himself French emperor-in-waiting.
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Trump de Dauphine?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2018 02:06 PM (2LelM)

410 @389 Those are mountain Italians on the border and they're a bit different. They're the ones who were setting up road blocks to prevent their own government from settling refugees there.
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Sounds like they probably voted in favor of the new government, then.

Posted by: Emperor Xian at December 07, 2018 02:06 PM (Fp6vo)

411 Some of the protestors were chanting Trump's name, as in "We want our own Trump". That is more than enough for them to tie it back to PDT.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (ffYR/)


That was in Britain; the Ewok out front (in the sidebar) should have told you.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 07, 2018 02:05 PM (t6MX/)

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My mistake. Thanks.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 02:06 PM (ffYR/)

412
I suppose that leaves the Gnomes of Zurich, if they were to decide to descend from their mountain holdfasts.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM (Fp6vo)

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Our strategic patience has paid off.

Unleash the Halberdmen!!

Posted by: Swiss army general at December 07, 2018 02:06 PM (NhgkA)

413 Thank you, everyone, for the prayers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, buy The Battle of Lake Erie today! at December 07, 2018 02:06 PM (+E3eI)

414 Kinda late here but did anyone point out that when certain battles of the American Civil War occurred close to Washington DC, that spectators would venture out to watch. At least that's what Ken Burns told me in his epic series before he became a leftist pile of trash.

Posted by: Boots at December 07, 2018 02:07 PM (e9omi)

415 Who's gonna invade right now? The Germans can't even keep their tanks running. Spain's got internal problems, from what I understand. The southerneastern border is Italy. I trust I don't have to say anything about them. Belgium? Don't make me laugh. Netherlands is far too small. Luxembourg's army is a glorified police force.
Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM


What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: Liechtenstein at December 07, 2018 02:07 PM (ctuyM)

416 I blame all of this on the death of Jerry Lewis.

Posted by: Jolo at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (WrMOC)

417 With him as second in command vice Ney (Bravest of the Brave, Stupidest of the Stupid), Waterloo would have had a very different outcome.

Europe would be a way different place today.
Posted by: Don Quixote at December 07, 2018 01:58 PM (NgKpN)

Or if Murat hadn't gone on a side trip to try to re-take Naples
Posted by: josephistan at December 07, 2018 02:01 PM (7HtZB)

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vingt vingt hindsight

Posted by: Napoleon at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (NhgkA)

418 Nood

Posted by: failure theater at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (aUHJk)

419 You can afford $275.00 every two weeks? Just on gas?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 02:04 PM (KUNWw)

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I certainly can't. But where people were used to $40 to fill up and suddenly it was over $100, I don't remember it being much of an issue. It was a squeeze on me and I was pretty amazed that it didn't seem to faze others.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (rE1pK)

420
Maybe Trump should declare himself French emperor-in-waiting.


Arc de Trumphe

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (TAmPV)

421 I want a girl who will take to the streets
Who's shouting, and rioting to smash the bourgeosie.
She's preparing a molotov, she's throwing a brick,
She'll cause mayhem and destruction to make our country free.

I want a girl with a brown shirt and a yellow ... jacket.

Posted by: Gâteau at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (/qEW2)

422 Are the Germans just saying "oh, the Frogs are being nutty again"? It's odd. It feels that this should seem more serious from next door.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2018 01:54 PM (fuK7c)

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Whistling past the graveyard.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (AzW6q)

423 402
Not too long ago, under Obama, gas prices were teetering close to
$5.00/gallon in some states - CA HI. I know I was paying over
$4.00 sometimes. Not a ripple in the complaint dept. You seem to be
convinced that if it hit say, $8.00, or more that this would engage the
masses into some sort of protest? I still can't see it.

Posted by: washrivergal

The US economy is absolutely dependent on affordable fuel. $8.00 a gallon gas would send the economy into a death spiral. It would be a disaster.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (8tNRg)

424
414 Kinda late here but did anyone point out that when certain battles of the American Civil War occurred close to Washington DC, that spectators would venture out to watch. At least that's what Ken Burns told me in his epic series before he became a leftist pile of trash.
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They did that at Bull Run/Manassas. After that, they stayed away from battlefields.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (2LelM)

425 Le nood

Posted by: Jimbo Comey: Ex G-Man at December 07, 2018 02:08 PM (sf1AO)

426 415 Who's gonna invade right now? The Germans can't even keep their tanks running. Spain's got internal problems, from what I understand. The southerneastern border is Italy. I trust I don't have to say anything about them. Belgium? Don't make me laugh. Netherlands is far too small. Luxembourg's army is a glorified police force.
Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 01:57 PM

What are we, chopped liver?
Posted by: Liechtenstein at December 07, 2018 02:07 PM (ctuyM)

No one ever suspects Andorra

Posted by: josephistan at December 07, 2018 02:09 PM (7HtZB)

427 Don't the arabs regularly celebrate diversity by carbequeing the town with immunity? Why is this being treated differently?

Posted by: Regular joe at December 07, 2018 02:09 PM (7PllL)

428 @405 So what's the over/under of France 18 looking like Hungary 56? Will a Western government take that next level step against it's own citizens?
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Not really like Hungary. The Hungarian citizens successfully replaced their own government.

And then an outside country - namely the USSR - exercised its veto option.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 02:09 PM (Fp6vo)

429 What are we, chopped liver?
Posted by: Liechtenstein at December 07, 2018 02:07 PM (ctuyM)


You import 85% of your energy. Shut up or someone will turn off the power.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2018 02:10 PM (9qZ3S)

430 The US economy is absolutely dependent on affordable fuel. $8.00 a gallon gas would send the economy into a death spiral. It would be a disaster.
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At that price it would be cheaper to harness a team of Mexicans to pull your car to work. You'd probably lose your radio in the deal.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2018 02:10 PM (2LelM)

431 you countered with "THEY HAVE A VAT" and I said, "yes, but we have a fuckton of indirect taxes too."

At #254 I used the CIA World Factbook to show that French taxes are markedly higher than ours.

Now, of course there are zillions of obfuscating factors. Taxation is not the same as spending, and deficit spending is deferred taxation.

Also, there's no comparison with how centralized taxation is, i.e. does the French federal taxation include things that we tax at the state and local level?

But for basic does the French federal government tax more than the US federal government the answer is resoundingly yes.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2018 02:10 PM (fuK7c)

432 He was a good commie.

Posted by: Mama Macron at December 07, 2018 02:10 PM (Tyii7)

433
And on the Merkel front, her successor as head of the CDU is....

Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer

A name which should be good for a few jokes from Teh Horde.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 07, 2018 02:10 PM (veoSD)

434 @426
What are we, chopped liver?
Posted by: Liechtenstein at December 07, 2018 02:07 PM (ctuyM)

No one ever suspects Andorra
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If your military makes Luxembourg look like a major power, then I don't want to hear from you!

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2018 02:11 PM (Fp6vo)

435 Our time has come. Prepare the tank!

Posted by: Andorra at December 07, 2018 02:11 PM (NhgkA)

436 James Madison-

I don't know what your religious background is , but I think all Christian denominations will perform a memorial service for your baby with special prayers. I know mine has a liturgy for this. In the past some parents have found this a comfort.


May God surround you with love and strength.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2018 02:12 PM (AllCR)

437 An alternative way of looking at things is post tax income and cost of living. What would you earn in europe vs here post tax, and what does it cost to live to normalize the post tax income. We're all 1st world countries to most hidden government impact will be found in cost of living.

Posted by: Someguy at December 07, 2018 02:13 PM (XOBxb)

438 414 Kinda late here but did anyone point out that when certain battles of the American Civil War occurred close to Washington DC, that spectators would venture out to watch. At least that's what Ken Burns told me in his epic series before he became a leftist pile of trash.
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That's where Ruth Bader Ginsburg picked up her first gunshot wound.

Posted by: Jolo at December 07, 2018 02:14 PM (WrMOC)

439 376
The French security forces, when the solids hit the air conditioning, aren't going to care a bit for human rights or the gentle treatment of anyone they perceive as threatening the country. They'd hook you up to an electric cord and turn on the juice as soon as draw a breath.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2018 02:00 PM (BWL+E)
--------------------------------------

I have a friend who was in Paris in 1968 ---junior year abroad in college. He joined the protests, of course.
He'd been in plenty of wild ones in the US, facing off against the "pigs." No big deal for him.

Lost his eye and still has a slight limp.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 07, 2018 02:14 PM (Rxduq)

440
Just something that might come up tomorrow. I figure, about a 90% chance that there are tweets complaining of flash-balls, and then someone from the stupid, stupid media and the Pretend Junior Media, Vox, guesses it's an incendiary round.


Nope. It'll be the chain saw bayonets affixed to the working end of pikes that'll set 'em off.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 07, 2018 02:15 PM (pNxlR)

441 Wow. Thank you Ace for this information. How rare to have an actual adult, logical and interesting review of current events

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at December 07, 2018 02:15 PM (YuQLm)

442 Whoever said that the frogs swing between bored ennui and violent rage made a very insightful comment. People have lived there tell me that there is nothing more irritating and enraging that a French bureaucrat who is having a bad day and decides he's going to take it out on you, that they make the fat sullen ladies at American DMVs look like models of efficiency and courtesy. The French put up with that shit day after day and then one day, they snap and rush to the barricades. Of course, then they demand more goodies from the government, which means more bureaucrats...

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at December 07, 2018 02:15 PM (d6Ksn)

443 424
414 Kinda late here but did anyone point out that when certain battles of the American Civil War occurred close to Washington DC, that spectators would venture out to watch. At least that's what Ken Burns told me in his epic series before he became a leftist pile of trash.
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They did that at Bull Run/Manassas. After that, they stayed away from battlefields.
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Before the Battle of Memphis, the leading Confederates of the city, plus many of the following, (and doubtless some slaves who were quietly cheering for the other side) turned out for a picnic and to watch their flotilla of cottonclad gunboat rams take on the damnyankee river fleet. The home team got trounced, since the solid but pudgy-slow ironclad gunboats had been reinforced by some speedy rams of their own. The Union rams caused enough confusion for the ironclads to get the range, and only 1 Tennessee gunboat was able to flee to Vicksburg.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 02:15 PM (Nk3Dy)

444 I'm not being stupid, I'm trying to posit a math problem.

And that's the second time you've called me stupid on this. I made a claim (I don't think our tax burden is much different than it is throughout Europe), used myself as an example, you countered with "THEY HAVE A VAT" and I said, "yes, but we have a fuckton of indirect taxes too."

I gave examples, and you called me stupid.

"durrr your stupid" is not exactly a winning argument, dude.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2018 02:06 PM (GBteo)



You are being stupid. And I'm explaining why. You don't know what the minutiae of regulations on Euro's are that you are wanting to plug in to the US side. You are admitting that you are looking to increase what the burden on the US side is, without know about any possible equivalents on the Euro side. You're attempting to fudge the numbers to prove your point. That's stupid.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2018 02:16 PM (cAnNx)

445 220 Let me know when the Legionnaires with the axes and leather aprons show up.

https://tinyurl.com/ydgr66my
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 07, 2018 01:32 PM (FTlwv)

Pioneers--that is, combat engineers.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at December 07, 2018 02:18 PM (RD7QR)

446 At that price it would be cheaper to harness a team
of Mexicans to pull your car to work. You'd probably lose your radio in
the deal.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2018 02:10 PM (2LelM)

Heh. Seriously though, it would be very bad. Fortunately we have ginormous gas and oil reserves under our feet and they keep finding more all the time. The only way gas prices could get that high in the US would be artificially, like say for instance we elect some jack ass globalist enviro nazi global warming zealot who just arbitrarily imposes a huge gas tax to "save the planet" or some crap.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 07, 2018 02:19 PM (8tNRg)

447 439
376

The French security forces, when the solids hit the air
conditioning, aren't going to care a bit for human rights or the gentle
treatment of anyone they perceive as threatening the country. They'd
hook you up to an electric cord and turn on the juice as soon as draw a
breath.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2018 02:00 PM (BWL+E)

Is that still the case? I would have thought the French would be the last people to buy into "diversity is our strength" bs, but it's infected them too.30 years ago, I would have never thought the Brits capable of putting people in jail for jokes either. The PC culture has corrupted and replaced the traditional national one all over Europe...

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at December 07, 2018 02:21 PM (d6Ksn)

448 443 424
414 Kinda late here but did anyone point out that when certain battles of the American Civil War occurred close to Washington DC, that spectators would venture out to watch. At least that's what Ken Burns told me in his epic series before he became a leftist pile of trash.
--------------------------
They did that at Bull Run/Manassas. After that, they stayed away from battlefields.
-------------------------
Before the Battle of Memphis, the leading Confederates of the city, plus many of the following, (and doubtless some slaves who were quietly cheering for the other side) turned out for a picnic and to watch their flotilla of cottonclad gunboat rams take on the damnyankee river fleet. The home team got trounced, since the solid but pudgy-slow ironclad gunboats had been reinforced by some speedy rams of their own. The Union rams caused enough confusion for the ironclads to get the range, and only 1 Tennessee gunboat was able to flee to Vicksburg.

Addendum: Having all the leading Memphis people present at the battle made it easy for the Union fleet to demand the surrender of the city, since Hizzoner the Mayor had a first-rate demonstration of what the gunboats might do to the riverside portion of town if he did not do so.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2018 02:25 PM (Nk3Dy)

449 239 Probably already mentioned up thread, but what does it say about supine, beaten-down Americans that we can't get 890 people to riot in DC against rampant taxation, let alone 89,000.

Seems to me we could use some of that surrender monkey spirit here.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 07, 2018 01:36 PM (kqsXK)

I think it is simmering under the surface. I live in flyover country and I listen to people talk about buying ammo and getting prepared all the time. It has gotten noticeably more aggressive in the past year. People are talking openly in public now, rather than quietly among themselves. I think Trump has kept a lid on things-so far, but when the Dems truly move against him, things will likely go from cold to hot pretty quickly.

Posted by: Drc at December 07, 2018 02:34 PM (vbaSG)

450 Ahh Les Folles Macron...I wood not like too see heez Kanickers in the CAN CAN....C'apn Clouseau on zee job training scheme...time for his "teacher" madam to apply zee cane cane,zoot alors...................

Posted by: saf at December 07, 2018 02:50 PM (5IHGB)

451 Time to bring in the heavy artillery.

*Breaks out the James Taylor card*

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2018 02:55 PM (Z4rgH)

452 Shall we cue up some Geddy Lee music, hmmm?

Posted by: dc at December 07, 2018 02:57 PM (u0crE)

453 French authorities will bring out the troops to suppress the native French people complaining about begin taxed to death while they won't lift a finger to help when those same people are being targeted by migrant invaders in their own streets.

Posted by: Janir at December 07, 2018 02:59 PM (wnV4F)

454 Le crie est Un Macaroon en tout crouset.........

champagne dreams for the plebs less cake eating.

Posted by: saf at December 07, 2018 03:00 PM (5IHGB)

455 Soooo, if the globalists kill and maim people they lose. It will go viral and make the situation worse. If they back down they lose. The only way the globalists can win is if the intimidation factor works and the yellow jackets back down before blood is shed.

Is anyone still confused as to who are the globalists enemy? Not the Islamists and the illegal immigrants.

Its us.

Posted by: Martell at December 07, 2018 03:07 PM (JNuGg)

456 From 65,000 to 89,000?

Probably just factoring in the support level of the gendarmes for the yellow jackets.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 07, 2018 04:13 PM (o7l6R)

457 As someone who visited Paris a few years ago, I say, fuck Paris. I say that having spent time there in the 1990s, and loved it.

It was dirty, and had graffiti. There was blatant law breaking and harassment of people, while the cops stood around looking at their shoes.

On the steps of Monmarte, on Sunday, during church service, a group of hooligans decided to ride their mountain bikes down the steps, knocking into worshipers on their way to mass. The gendarmes instead of stopping them, cleared away the pedestrians so they could ride through with incident.

I left there and said to myself - in a few short years that place is going to implode. It just felt completely out of control.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at December 07, 2018 04:25 PM (AJj50)

458 Gypsies harassed my wife. African immigrants grabbed at my clothes. A cabbie tried to rip me off. Prostitutes walked around in front of the cops with the tits literally hanging out. Graffiti and garbage everywhere, even at the tourist hot spots.

Lots of cops, standing around in groups, doing nothing. Its one thing to see someone break the law, and another to see it and the cops don't lift a finger. The hair stands up on your neck, and all you can think is, I'm on my own.

The cabbie incident - the cabbie got in an car accident, and wanted me (the passenger) to pay for damages to his cab. I said no. The cops showed up and tried to convince me to pay the guy anyway, while acknowledging he was wrong. But I was calm, and he was screaming bloody murder. And I realized - the cops wanted to solve things in a way that was best for them personally, not what was right. I told the cops they were free to give him their own money and left.

In America the cabbie would have been cooling his heals in a squad car, or would never have tried to extort money in the first place. In Paris - no fear at all of the police, and in fact, the bigger the asshole you are, the more likely the cops would help you out.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at December 07, 2018 04:39 PM (AJj50)

459 Prediction: Generally Quiet protests by Yellow Jackets. Fascist/Marxists will riot per SOP. They got what they wanted and it's time to return to Socialist Utopia.

Posted by: Muns at December 07, 2018 07:09 PM (fO+6C)

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