Angela Merkle Supports Macron's Idea to Raise a European Army to Fight The United States

Okay.

You do you, guys. We're bringing our troops home.

She suggested that the EU needs their own standing army so they can be well defended against possible aggression. She was supporting Macron's recent comments where he said Europe needed protection from, "China, Russia and even the United States of America."

When you've got the Brits standing up and yelling "rubbish" at you, you've really touched a nerve.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:28 PM

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1
first, we should just cut them loose

f'em

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 14, 2018 01:25 PM (ZQfW9)

2 Well, I can see why Germany is less interested in having the US there. France is just ungrateful.

Posted by: sunny-dee at November 14, 2018 01:25 PM (QAOZh)

3 Time to close our military bases in Germany.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 01:25 PM (ptqGC)

4 There's gonna be another world war in my lifetime, I think.

It is the principle reason I have not married... I fear bringing children into this evil world seemingly bent on self-immolation. -_-

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 14, 2018 01:25 PM (6JL3d)

5 Yeah, good luck with that. Don't call us.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:26 PM (bcbK8)

6
You do you, guys. We're bringing our troops home.

Bring 'em home regardless.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 14, 2018 01:26 PM (aKsyK)

7 I picture an EU army looking like the dancers doing the French Mistake in Blazing Saddles.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 01:26 PM (ptqGC)

8 Fine by me.

Let Europeans protect Europe.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:26 PM (viSzi)

9 All it takes is about a century to erase the memories of one generation and replace it with the nonsense of the next, Enjoy your Russian and Caliphate overlords, assholes.

Posted by: drmanbot at November 14, 2018 01:27 PM (efMXW)

10 It'll be instructive what happens to all their beloved social expenditures when they have to pay for their own defense.

Unless, of course, Merkle and Macron are colluding with Russia to prevent the defense of Europe.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 14, 2018 01:27 PM (xQfPr)

11 sweet! does this mean we get to

1 bring our folks home
and
2 stop funding their military

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 14, 2018 01:27 PM (d7Ww2)

12 Ok. If we'd have wanted Europe we could have annexed a huge chunk of 80 or so years ago. They were actually kind of worth something back then.
Now? If we wanted to drag our economy down that much we could just annex Mexico and most of Central America and logistics would be much simpler.
I think this is just them making a wish because they know they've screwed up and are going to need American blood and treasure to bail their worthless asses out. . .again.

Posted by: Ted's Teddy Glock at November 14, 2018 01:27 PM (7seny)

13 I, for one, welcome our Muslim overlords.

Posted by: Angela Merkel at November 14, 2018 01:27 PM (ptqGC)

14 I didn't get married because women can't stand me for very long.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 14, 2018 01:28 PM (xfb67)

15 10 It'll be instructive what happens to all their beloved social expenditures when they have to pay for their own defense.

Unless, of course, Merkle and Macron are colluding with Russia to prevent the defense of Europe.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 14, 2018 01:27 PM (xQfPr)

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Turkey the walks in with 72 cripples carrying brooms, and successfully invades Berlin, Paris, and Rome before they're stopped by overt drunkenness.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:28 PM (viSzi)

16 An army of unemployed soibois sipping lattes and bitching about real men. Sounds scary.

Posted by: mugiwara at November 14, 2018 01:28 PM (7KSj6)

17 If Macron is afraid of armed conflict with the United States but ignorant of the threat posed by thousands of invaders from the Middle East and Africa, he is absolutley delusional.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 14, 2018 01:28 PM (H7LIz)

18 Merkle, May, and Macron....you've already let the enemy in.

Posted by: Cheri at November 14, 2018 01:28 PM (oiNtH)

19 Are there no WWII veterans willing to tell off these people?

Posted by: m at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (+ZMGe)

20 secure our borders
build that wall
fuck europe

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (d7Ww2)

21 I guess they'll need to take some money from their refugee rapist fund to get an armed force together. Fine with me fella's.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (Sz3zs)

22 We can move our operations to Poland and they can have fun with a wildly underfunded "military" force. They'll still be hiding behind our protection of the Baltics, because the Euros will give them away for a promise of a reacharound.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (jp0Bv)

23 Merkle and Macron want to build a new Soviet Union.

Posted by: w at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (vhrlk)

24 Why would we want France? Even our food is better.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (tNkxf)

25 Are they going to use that weird 5.7 ammo?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (xfb67)

26 Those overseas troops and bases generate a lot of revenue for the areas they are in. Someone really isn't thinking this all the way through.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (ffYR/)

27 When do they send out Requests For Proposals to build minarets on L'Arc D'Triomphe?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (H7LIz)

28 Angela Merkle Supports Macron's Idea to Raise a European Army to Fight The United States

The Military Euro. Scary ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (KEr/t)

29 Hokay. Let's see if you can stand up two viable armored divisions between the two of you.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (RD7QR)

30 Shut the bases down, toot sweet.

Bar any serviceman/woman from spending one thin dime off base until they are pulled home.

Fuck the local economy.
They can get theirs from Fuhrer Merkel.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (sMMcg)

31 Unless, of course, Merkle and Macron are colluding with Russia to prevent the defense of Europe.

Germany apparently gets (or until very very recently got) some horrifying percentage of therir energy (oil or natural gas, don't really remember) from Russia.

I'm no isolationist, but relying on a sometime-hostile foreign power for strategic and essential resources is generally a bad idea.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (84QUd)

32 The Cold War is over.

We.....sort of won.

The Warsaw Pact is no more

Germany is re-united (yippee? Poland looks nervously in both directions)

Indeed, close our bases and bring our soldiers, airman and all the rest home. They (the Europeans) can all figure this out for themselves. They are much smarter than we are.

I am tired of financing this pig dance.

NATO should be dissolved. It has served its purpose.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (vcOmj)

33 It's got to that point has it? Putin just sits and giggles. The Poles must be worried as hell.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (LISuA)

34 Angela Merkle Supports Macron's Idea to Raise a European Army to Fight The United States
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I think it's precious that they think they could offer any type of resistance, even if we were so inclined to go after their shitholes.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (vg8iE)

35
Has the entire world gone insane?

They don't wanna pay 2 lousy per cent of GDP and think they can equal that effort on their own. This is their counteroffer to 'Art of the Orange Deal'?

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (e7O7B)

36 Merkle and Macron are gone in 2 years.

Count on it.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (H7LIz)

37 Suure, let Germany create a standing army to "defend" Europe
WCPGW

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (EGSGm)

38 Germany will be happy to station a couple of divisions in defensive positions along France's northern beaches.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (wCmLp)

39 Wow. That's the diplomatic equivalent of a temper tantrum. Really bad form.
TDS brings out the worst in people. Even people that are trained professionally to know better.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (8tNRg)

40 "Those overseas troops and bases generate a lot of revenue for the areas they are in. Someone really isn't thinking this all the way through."

Just so. An avoidance of military costs, and the reaping of our tax dollars spent in their backyards.

Idiot eurotrash.

Posted by: Virginia and West Virginia, irrespectively at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (951Yv)

41 35
Has the entire world gone insane?

They don't wanna pay 2 lousy per cent of GDP and think they can equal that effort on their own. This is their counteroffer to 'Art of the Orange Deal'?

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (e7O7B)

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"I'll take it!"
-Trump, picking up everything off the table and marching out

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (viSzi)

42 Guess we don't need to fund NATO anymore.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 14, 2018 01:31 PM (cAnNx)

43 Trump's derangement powers extend to world leaderr.

Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2018 01:31 PM (aQfmB)

44 A European Army stacked with Muslim and African soldiers. Let's not pretend that is what they are talking about.

Posted by: literally serious at November 14, 2018 01:31 PM (D7FqI)

45 So our troops are already there, they don't have an army yet, and they want to fight us.

So the smart move for us would be to....

Posted by: Kylie Jenner at November 14, 2018 01:31 PM (PPbDD)

46 My grandpa helped take France. He gave it back.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 14, 2018 01:31 PM (tNkxf)

47 Good. End NATO. It's long past it's sell buy date.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:31 PM (/tuJf)

48 It is the principle reason I have not married... I fear bringing children into this evil world seemingly bent on self-immolation. -_-
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 14, 2018 01:25 PM (6JL3d)
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Get married. Have kids. I'm channeling irongrampa here, but America is not going down without a fight.

Europe wants to raise an army against us? Go ahead. Just remember, Obama's not the president any more. Trump fights back.

Posted by: bluebell at November 14, 2018 01:31 PM (U5tDi)

49 Bill Kristol can be a Rear-Admiral in the Euro navy!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (Evws/)

50 I totally agree with Europe defending Europe instead of the United States and our money. I don't like commie France and my socialist 1/4 homeland Sweden but I do like they are not part of NATO and have their own military equipment and standing army. The time has past where Russia might possibly attack Western Europe. That means our military should come home.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (2DOZq)

51 She was supporting Macron's recent comments where he said Europe needed protection from, "China, Russia and even the United States of America."

Pretty sure we'll be the actual targets of a European military.

Posted by: Europeans at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (BrQrN)

52 The migrants must flow.

Posted by: literally serious at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (D7FqI)

53 Wait, where do they think they get all of their money to pay for their universal healthcare?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and Prayers for RGB 🐘 at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (LX21o)

54 13 I, for one, welcome our Muslim overlords.
Posted by: Angela Merkel at November 14, 2018 01:27 PM (ptqGC)

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She got burka face

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (PPbDD)

55 By the time the EU gets an army, we'll have a f'ing Space Force!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (xfb67)

56 Fuck it.

Conquer them all and loot their resources.

Then send their Muzzies back to the Middle East.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (UnA8+)

57 49 Bill Kristol can be a Rear-Admiral in the Euro navy!
Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (Evws/)

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He'll monitor the Seine from the north bank.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (viSzi)

58 NATO should be dissolved. It has served its purpose.

I think there's value in some kind of successor alliance/program, but really, we should have been thinking about it and discussing a "NATO 2.0" or something since shortly after the USSR collapsed.

NATO is something of a relic, but there's a lot of good stuff to salvage IMO.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (84QUd)

59 At the heart of the progressive world vision there is a stunted, infantile denial of reality.

Posted by: Max Power at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (q177U)

60 You know, with more and more of this shit, I find that I just don't give a fuck about any of it .

Posted by: Old Dude at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (LGXGf)

61 Don't make me belly laugh.

We'll just sit back here and watch you get overrun by the Russians or muslham countries.

When you're wiped out, we'll clean up and keep the land.

Posted by: Sponge at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (F4u7C)

62 In my heart, I think people are generally good, and do what is smart and right.

Then, I am presented every day with evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (fN+Wl)

63 Bring it all home, if they don't want us there we have a duty to leave. And we should not return for any reason.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (0OmEj)

64 Bring home with great fanfare all of the heroes we have buried over there.

Huge fanfare.

Video each casket being loaded onto the jet coming home with a family member telling the person's story to patriotic background music.

Every. Single. One.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (Kge8X)

65 52 The migrants must flow.
Posted by: literally serious at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (D7FqI)

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He who controls the migrants, control the universe.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (viSzi)

66 Yeah, wow, boy howdy, talk about an idea whose time has come.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (tSXzq)

67 Europe is now the sick man of Europe

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (PPbDD)

68 NATO should be dissolved. It has served its purpose.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (vcOmj)

This. Yeah, we need some bases all over the world to project power. But not as many as there there now I'd think. And Eastern Europe is happy to have us so we can keep them there to cover that part of the world.We can't afford and shouldn't feel obligated to pay to defend the EU. It's already fallen to Islam anyway, from the inside.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (8tNRg)

69 Trump to NATO nations: "You have all been abrogating your obligations, and have allowed your armed forces to shrink and become weak."

Oedipus Macaroon: Oh yeah!?! We'll create an army!!!!

Trump: "Mazeltov".

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (rFmwm)

70 Germany will be happy to station a couple of divisions in defensive positions along France's northern beaches.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM

You misspelled 'southern'.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (e7O7B)

71 Gosh, with Europe's reproductive rate where will they ever find enough able-bodied young men to fill their army?

Oh.

Geez, was that Sorors' and/or Iran and ISIS' plan all along?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (W+vEI)

72 Though there's something Comical about France and Germany screeching "NEW HITLER! NEW HITLER!" over PDT.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (UnA8+)

73 BTW, some of the MFM are conveniently not including the 'fight against the U.S. maybe too' part of the speech and attacking PDT for unjustifiably attacking France/Europe.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (Evws/)

74 It was funnier when Peter Sellers said the same thing in, "The Mouse That Roared".

Posted by: dc at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (u0crE)

75 Merkle? The Chancellor that is getting politically crushed and would love to change the subject? Her?

Okay, let's see the table of forces and how they plan to finance them.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pack Your Panic Room with Grade A Comment Kits from The Outrage Outlet! at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (hLRSq)

76 These guys won't stay true to their financial commitments to fund NATO, how do you think funding a EU army is going to work out? Not to mention the possibility of the majority of their army actually populated with muzzie immigrants.EU army? I predict even our Salvation Army would be able to kick its ass.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (jxbfJ)

77 And since we are talking military, crank up the F-22 Raptor line again. We still need them before we go full drone terminator.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (2DOZq)

78 65 52 The migrants must flow.
Posted by: literally serious at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (D7FqI)

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He who controls the migrants, control the universe.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (viSzi)

We have just folded space from SoCal. Many new illegals in SoCal.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (NWiLs)

79 I remember reading a techno-thriller a while back about France & Germany joining together in a super-state that attacked Poland. I think it was called "Cauldron"

Posted by: josephistan at November 14, 2018 01:35 PM (7HtZB)

80 >>Gosh, with Europe's reproductive rate where will they ever find enough able-bodied young men to fill their army?

What did it take our military to roll through Iraq, a long weekend?

This might not have been the best thought through plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:35 PM (/tuJf)

81 They don't wanna pay 2 lousy per cent of GDP and think they can equal that effort on their own. This is their counteroffer to 'Art of the Orange Deal'?

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (e7O7B)

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That 2% of GDP in supposed to be their contribution to the U.N. Trump is now charging them for what it actually costs us to defend and protect them. If they think they can do it better and cheaper, have at it folks. Bye.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 01:35 PM (ffYR/)

82 78 He who controls the migrants, control the universe.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:33 PM (viSzi)

We have just folded space from SoCal. Many new illegals in SoCal.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (NWiLs)

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"So, by eating enough migrants, one becomes able to fold space? Interesting..."
-Hannibal Lecter

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:35 PM (viSzi)

83 Merkle? The Chancellor that is getting politically crushed and would love to change the subject? Her?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pack Your Panic Room with Grade A Comment Kits from The Outrage Outlet! at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (hLRSq)
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Except she keeps winning reelections.

Posted by: bluebell at November 14, 2018 01:35 PM (U5tDi)

84 38 Germany will be happy to station a couple of divisions in defensive positions along France's northern beaches.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (wCmLp)

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they have the experience

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 14, 2018 01:35 PM (PPbDD)

85 How to say: 'Crack is wack' in Deutsch?

Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2018 01:35 PM (aQfmB)

86 Ilsa: How nice, you remembered. But of course, that was the day the Germans marched into Paris.

Rick: Not an easy day to forget.

Ilsa: No.

Rick: I remember every detail. The Germans wore gray, you wore blue.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (H7LIz)

87 >>Oedipus Macaroon: Oh yeah!?! We'll create an army!!!!

Trump: "Mazeltov".
- - -

It's like a parental jedi mind trick on a teen, eh?
Spoiler alert, Macron: This is what Trump wanted you to do, pay for your own defense. #Winning

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (W+vEI)

88 It was funnier when Peter Sellers said the same thing in, "The Mouse That Roared".
Posted by: dc

"I hope Charlie likes it on the island of Yap"

Posted by: State Dept guy #1 at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (rFmwm)

89 In a neighborly gesture, Putin will volunteer to patrol the Baltic for them. Maybe put up some nice friendly docking stations.

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (EGSGm)

90

Has the entire world gone insane?

Yes.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (HaL55)

91 85 How to say: 'Crack is wack' in Deutsch?
Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2018 01:35 PM (aQfmB)

Allahu Akbar.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (UnA8+)

92 We should move our military bases to Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (NWiLs)

93 As if the Europeans have any of the wherewithal - the armaments, the money, and most importantly, the balls - to defend themselves from, well, anybody.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (1+J19)

94 I guess "America is Satan" must be polling well over there now that we don't have a President that sucks the dick of every leftist worldwide.

I kinda hope that they try to raise a military. It will be funny to see if they will then be able to get their aircraft carrier finally out of port.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (fdTrp)

95 94 I kinda hope that they try to raise a military. It will be funny to see if they will then be able to get their aircraft carrier finally out of port.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (fdTrp)

Just remember :

Muzzie pilots don't care about learning how a LAND a plane.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (UnA8+)

96 What will there name be? ISIS is already taken. The Rapin' Refugees? This cluster fark would make the UN look efficient and honest.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (Sz3zs)

97 I'm no isolationist, but relying on a sometime-hostile foreign power for strategic and essential resources is generally a bad idea.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 14, 2018

See Pabst Blue Ribbon beer.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (KelYO)

98 Europe wants to raise an army against us? Go ahead. Just remember, Obama's not the president any more. Trump fights back.

Posted by: bluebell at November 14, 2018 01:31 PM (U5tDi)

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They gonna need a navy first.

France and Germany can't even figure out how to cross the English Channel

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (PPbDD)

99 91. well played my hockey expert friend

Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (aQfmB)

100 There is quite a neo-nationalist movement going on in parts of Western Europe.

What Merkel and Macron are saying is political fodder to fight back against "the far right!" that is apparently behind this political upheavel.

So they are trying to appear as Soi-boi tough guys, and pushing back against Trumpenfuhrer and the thugs from Amerikkka.

Regardless, I am personally tired of this weak charade.

We really should pull out of NATO and bring our stuff back to the US. We are just ending a big excercise in the North Atlantic to posture our defense of the Baltic States being annexed again by Uncle Ivan.

It would be too bad, for those people.

But really, I don't care. The rest of Europe doesn't seem to be able to muster the will to resist, so why should we do the heavy lifting?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (vcOmj)

101 The French Army.

Please. Stop kidding around.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (1+J19)

102 Well. Typically, when your homie is ALWAYS THERE TO HELP NO MATTER HOW WEIRD SHIT GETS, you don't tell him to fuck off.

But I guess some people have to innovate...

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (5aX2M)

103
She suggested that the EU needs their own standing army so they can be well defended against possible aggression

The EU army will be "standing" around with their hands in their pockets.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (TAmPV)

104 Unfortunately, this will embolden the leftist brain into MORE hatred of Trump. HE'S RUINING US ON THE WORLD STAGE!!!!!!!

He might not win re-election in 2020 because of the massive fucked up mindset that we need to give a shit what Europe thinks of us.

Posted by: Sponge at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (F4u7C)

105 Just curious, when I was stationed over there, we would at least talk about the risk of terrorism, from the native Krauts who had blown up a couple discotheques, before I ever got there.

Are there any concerns, or even incidents of the Krauts (or their "guest workers") causing any trouble for servicemen stationed there these days?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (9chmE)

106 There's gonna be another world war in my lifetime, I think.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal

I am doubtful that this will occur. I think our military technology has improved so much in the last 20 years that we can actually win any war we really have to win* in a stand-off manner with little risk to our troops.

*Afghanistan doesn't seem like a war we MUST win, so we don't really do what we need to do and CAN do to win.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (Kge8X)

107 "73 BTW, some of the MFM are conveniently not including the 'fight against the U.S. maybe too' part of the speech and attacking PDT for unjustifiably attacking France/Europe.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (Evws/) "

I just took that for granted.
Boldface lies everyday have become The New Normal.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (tSXzq)

108 "17
If Macron is afraid of armed conflict with the United States but
ignorant of the threat posed by thousands of invaders from the Middle
East and Africa, he is absolutley delusional.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 14, 2018 01:28 PM (H7LIz)"
Consider the senior leadership in the EU; many don't have kids, so they don't give a shit. Those who do just assume that money and political power operates the same way regardless of which ideology you're paying lip service to. Remember, european leadership has been paying lip service for centuries.
Look at how arab royalty lives; that's what they assume is the worst case in store for their descendants.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (eAshZ)

109 They will declare war on the U.S., promptly surrender and demand war reparations.

Posted by: dc at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (u0crE)

110 A Western Civilization if you can keep it

Posted by: Aristotle at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (PPbDD)

111 Just wanted to take a second and say thank you to the horde.

Thank you for the thoughts.
Thank you for the prayers.
Thank you for the donations that got us thru the tightest days.

Tyler is holding stable, still having some infections/fevers that the docs are a bit baffled by. No feeding therapy yet, we're working on how to make that happen, but I wanted to take a second to tell everyone how much I appreciate all the well wishes....followers of AOS truly are the best people in the world.

Best,
Lori Dougherty (lorenska)

Posted by: Lori Dougherty at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (FH7la)

112 The White House needs to leak that the President has asked the Pentagon for plans to move our bases out of Germany. Stand back and watch. Preferably with popcorn.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (/0IRq)

113 It's worth it having kids, in my opinion. There will always be terrible evil in the world.

Posted by: Max Power at November 14, 2018 01:39 PM (q177U)

114 89 In a neighborly gesture, Putin will volunteer to patrol the Baltic for them. Maybe put up some nice friendly docking stations.
Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 01:36 PM (EGSGm)

he'd have to have a navy that can stay afloat first

Posted by: josephistan at November 14, 2018 01:39 PM (7HtZB)

115 Europe wants to raise an army against us? Go ahead. Just remember, Obama's not the president any more. Trump fights back.

Posted by: bluebell at November 14, 2018 01:31 PM (U5tDi)

Oh, really?

Posted by: President Michelle Obama at November 14, 2018 01:39 PM (ptqGC)

116 >>What did it take our military to roll through Iraq, a long weekend?

This might not have been the best thought through plan.

What happens if (when) an Islamicized local army stages a military coup on a European country's government? You know they'd have Turkey's support (looking at you, frau Merkel).

Do we really want to be fighting in the streets of Europe again, and with a barbaric enemy who has seized nukes?

Just thinking of how pear-shaped this could go...not like ISIS hasn't been loudly setting the (very ambitious, to be sure) goal of turning Europe into a caliphate.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 01:39 PM (W+vEI)

117 81 They don't wanna pay 2 lousy per cent of GDP and think they can equal that effort on their own. This is their counteroffer to 'Art of the Orange Deal'?

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 14, 2018 01:30 PM (e7O7B)

---------------

That 2% of GDP in supposed to be their contribution to the U.N. Trump is now charging them for what it actually costs us to defend and protect them. If they think they can do it better and cheaper, have at it folks. Bye.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 01:35 PM (ffYR/)

Two alternatives:

1. Hire mercenaries--but they tend to get upset if they don't get paid.

B. Federate with a tribe ala later Roman Empire--I guess the Muzzies can fill that role; but we know how that turns out, yes?

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at November 14, 2018 01:39 PM (RD7QR)

118 Oh and I'll say this too. This won't happen. Macron is just puffing up his soy filled chest to try and seem tough. How can you be so sure that is the case? Because that former French President dicklick Chirac said almost the exact same crap when Bush was president. And I doubt they've increased their military spending in any way since then.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 14, 2018 01:39 PM (cAnNx)

119 111 Just wanted to take a second and say thank you to the horde.

Thank you for the thoughts.
Thank you for the prayers.
Thank you for the donations that got us thru the tightest days.

Tyler is holding stable, still having some infections/fevers that the docs are a bit baffled by. No feeding therapy yet, we're working on how to make that happen, but I wanted to take a second to tell everyone how much I appreciate all the well wishes....followers of AOS truly are the best people in the world.

Best,
Lori Dougherty (lorenska)
Posted by: Lori Dougherty at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (FH7la)

Still keeping you & yours in our prayers.

Posted by: josephistan at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (7HtZB)

120 *Afghanistan doesn't seem like a war we MUST win, so we don't really do what we need to do and CAN do to win.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (Kge8X)

Afghanistan at this point is basically what empires have always done: fight bandits and warlords on the periphery of civilization.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (wCmLp)

121 NATO does seem a little dated since most of Europe preemptively surrendered to the commies and muz

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (7J5t2)

122 Pretty funny stuff.... Merkel and Macron, comedy duo...

Posted by: kraken at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (ffWPP)

123 Poland and the Czechs ... a few others that suffered behind the iron curtain, would still like US to stay. Maybe shift some East, bring the rest home?

France/Germany would still have US as a buffer from military aggression, but they are happy to surrender their nation states to the EU bureaucrats/globalists, and are destroying their own people with the free flow of migrants (who will never be tolerant, but Macron will never demand TheJihadist become European)

Posted by: illiniwek at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (Cus5s)

124 The first assignment of the EU Army is to secure the EU against internal enemies.

General Order No. 1: All blasphemers of the Prophet will be beheaded.

Posted by: EU Army Generaloberst Mohammed bin Mohammed at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (DuAZ5)

125 >>he'd have to have a navy that can stay afloat first

He can't even keep the dry docks afloat.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (/tuJf)

126 >>> the EU needs their own standing army

Well those kids aren't going to molest themselves.

Posted by: wooga at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (7E6k1)

127

At the heart of the progressive world vision there is a stunted, infantile denial of reality.

And for reasons which I cannot comprehend, it's popular and growing stronger every day.

People love lies more than life itself. I just don't get it...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (HaL55)

128 he'd have to have a navy that can stay afloat first
Posted by: josephistan at November 14, 2018 01:39 PM (7HtZB)

Details, smeetails

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (EGSGm)

129 They would give us M16s, have us do guard duty at the gates, ammo sites, etc, and in our magazines, inside our weapons... nada.

Looked like we were armed. We were not.

But they gave us those grainy old black and white photos of the terrorists, and say "be on the lookout for these people."

Sure. Yeah.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (9chmE)

130 GOOD news people: Rick Scott attended new Senator orientation in DC with Mitch's blessing. And Schumer was frantic.

Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (aQfmB)

131 We should demand Amazon money to locate an Army HQ there

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 14, 2018 01:41 PM (PPbDD)

132 >>>22 We can move our operations to Poland and they can have fun with a wildly underfunded "military" force. They'll still be hiding behind our protection of the Baltics, because the Euros will give them away for a promise of a reacharound.
Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at November 14, 2018 01:29 PM (jp0Bv)

I vote for this.

Posted by: m at November 14, 2018 01:41 PM (+ZMGe)

133 116 What happens if (when) an Islamicized local army stages a military coup on a European country's government? You know they'd have Turkey's support (looking at you, frau Merkel).

Do we really want to be fighting in the streets of Europe again, and with a barbaric enemy who has seized nukes?

Just thinking of how pear-shaped this could go...not like ISIS hasn't been loudly setting the (very ambitious, to be sure) goal of turning Europe into a caliphate.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 01:39 PM (W+vEI)

They all seem to be willing to accept that their future is Islam, as long as it means No More USA.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:41 PM (UnA8+)

134 Oh, and Afghanistan is pretty much a landfill, that needs a good leveling..

Posted by: kraken at November 14, 2018 01:41 PM (ffWPP)

135 Should have folded the NATO tent as soon as the Soviet Union crashed. They are all grown up and furred over in Europe and the they have the same population and GDP as we. Time for them to saddle up and be adults.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (2LelM)

136 Move our shit to Poland. They still like us.

Put troops pointing toward Germany. Just for shits and grins.

Posted by: Sponge at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (F4u7C)

137 Aren't the EU individual states currently under union protection? Dont they have rules that determine how long they fight, how many breaks they get throughout the work day, etc?

Please, let's encourage them to get their own EU wide 'army'. However, let's keep the eastern Europeans on our side.

Posted by: Martell at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (ZcE3r)

138 My son Jake is currently stationed in Europe. If the formation of an EU army would mean he comes home then sure, make it happen Merkel and Macron since what would you need us for? But I doubt that's what it really means.

I'm guessing Merkel & Macron hope the formation of an EU Army will strengthen the sense of a unified European identity. Maybe they're right, but given overall European unwillingness to pay for their own defense, I don't imagine it will be much of an army--except for their dress uniforms, which I'm sure will be fabulous.

Posted by: troyriser at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (1JpTT)

139

For the first time in my life I'm ashamed to be French.

Posted by: Statue of Liberty at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (TAmPV)

140 127 People love lies more than life itself. I just don't get it...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (HaL55)

Don't forget the biggest lie that 99% of people tell themselves every single day :

"I am a good person."

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (UnA8+)

141 That 2% of GDP in supposed to be their contribution to the U.N. Trump is now charging them for what it actually costs us to defend and protect them. If they think they can do it better and cheaper, have at it folks. Bye.
Posted by: Calm Mentor

Sometimes you just have to let people have what they want, regardless of how destructive it is.

Sometimes the only way to learn is thru pain.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (sMMcg)

142 When do they send out Requests For Proposals to build minarets on L'Arc D'Triomphe?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

I want the pre-WWIII Paris tree-planting concession.

The Rooskies like to march in the shade as much as the Krauts do.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (Kge8X)

143 Is this carryover from the Obama years?

Posted by: Roy at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (Rr52g)

144 Will the Germans get guns instead of broomsticks to train with?

Posted by: wrg500 at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (MWO2y)

145 We spend DECADES defending them from the Soviet Union and then Russia, and this is the thanks we get?

Were it not for the United States, the Soviet Union would have effortlessly rolled over Europe in the post-WWII era and made all these bozos Soviet satellite states. There was no one left in continental Europe to stop them. And the Soviets certainly had the intention of taking over Europe, given half a chance.

So, yeah, fuck Merkel and her anti-American globalist allies. They WANT to be part of the new Soviet Union West. Buh-bye.

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (c+2jX)

146 >>Do we really want to be fighting in the streets of Europe again, and with a barbaric enemy who has seized nukes?

If the EU is going to raise an army at least in part to protect against US aggression, I see know need to bail them out. Again.

Nope. If they want to wear the Big Boy Pants they are on their own.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (/tuJf)

147 138 My son Jake is currently stationed in Europe. If the formation of an EU army would mean he comes home then sure, make it happen Merkel and Macron since what would you need us for? But I doubt that's what it really means.

I'm guessing Merkel & Macron hope the formation of an EU Army will strengthen the sense of a unified European identity. Maybe they're right, but given overall European unwillingness to pay for their own defense, I don't imagine it will be much of an army--except for their dress uniforms, which I'm sure will be fabulous.
Posted by: troyriser at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (1JpTT)

It'll be an Islamic army in two generations. None of the natives have much of the warrior spirit left in them.

Fuck em.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (bcbK8)

148 Bill Kristol can be a Rear-Admiral in the Euro navy!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM

*looks around nervously*

Posted by: The cabin boy at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (p+Wdc)

149 The Northrup / Raytheon shorts begin

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (pnMCv)

150 144 Will the Germans get guns instead of broomsticks to train with?
Posted by: wrg500 at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (MWO2y)

==========

They'll still take the Rhineland no matter what.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (oh/Sd)

151 And since we are talking military, crank up the F-22 Raptor line again. We still need them before we go full drone terminator.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 14, 2018 01:34 PM (2DOZq)

------------------

I know a guy who is with Lockheed in Marietta, GA where they make the airframes. He tells me that once the F-22 run was cut short, with only 25% of the original order delivered, the F-22 plant was totally decommissioned. They would need to start from scratch.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (ffYR/)

152 Push back for being told to pay their fair share. This has always been a risk to our USSR containment strategy. Time to cut the cord with the euroweenies.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (EFiUo)

153 LePen's old party has supposedly moved ahead of Macron's in some polling ... it's renamed I think, forget the details. And Merkel on her way out ... Brazil has its own Trumpest out of the teapot ... people are getting the message that their globalist overlords are evil authoritarians.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (Cus5s)

154
GOOD news people: Rick Scott attended new Senator orientation in DC with Mitch's blessing. And Schumer was frantic.

Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (aQfmB)

Cocaine Mitch

Posted by: Statue of Liberty at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (TAmPV)

155 The first assignment of the EU Army is to secure the EU against internal enemies.

General Order No. 1: All blasphemers of the Prophet will be beheaded.

Posted by: EU Army Generaloberst Mohammed bin Mohammed at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (DuAZ5)

General Order No. 2: All boys who want to be girls and all girls who want to be boys can just say so, and it shall be so. And all blasphemers of the Transman will be... well, we'll cut something off, that's for sure.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (9chmE)

156 Awesome, close up everything move the troops home. Also, withdraw NATO funding. They can go it alone.

Posted by: no good deed at November 14, 2018 01:44 PM (1uG1d)

157 The first assignment of the EU Army is to secure the EU against internal enemies.

General Order No. 1: All blasphemers of the Prophet will be beheaded.
Posted by: EU Army Generaloberst Mohammed bin Mohammed

I do think any EU Army is going to have as mission one to be internal security.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at November 14, 2018 01:44 PM (vcOmj)

158 I'm guessing Merkel & Macron hope the formation of an EU Army will strengthen the sense of a unified European identity. Maybe they're right, but given overall European unwillingness to pay for their own defense, I don't imagine it will be much of an army--except for their dress uniforms, which I'm sure will be fabulous.
Posted by: troyriser

Hugo Boss, please pick up the black courtesy phone.

Hugo Boss to the black courtesy phone...

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:44 PM (sMMcg)

159 The rest of the EU will be sorry when the US pulls out. The first thing that will happen if the EuroTrash is confronted with an aggression force, all the French soldiers will drop their unloaded weapons, throw up their hands and say,"I give up!". With that the rest of the Eurotrash's army is left in a much weaker position and will just capitulate and whine for the US to come back and pull their fat out of the fire....AGAIN.

Posted by: Richard Noggon at November 14, 2018 01:44 PM (ghkmP)

160 145 So, yeah, fuck Merkel and her anti-American globalist allies. They WANT to be part of the new Soviet Union West. Buh-bye.
Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (c+2jX)

Merkel seems more enamored with being part of the new Eurocaliphate.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:44 PM (UnA8+)

161 It'll be an Islamic army in two generations. None of the natives have much of the warrior spirit left in them.

--

very true
and Allah is a diety of war and conquest

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 01:44 PM (EGSGm)

162 France's first maneuver is always to surrender. Even Hitler mocked them by having France sign their surrender in the same rail car they made Germany sign the Armistice in after WW I. No worries there, because Germany will probably attack France first and make them into their personal sommeliers and household help...

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2018 01:44 PM (VpIIl)

163 145 We spend DECADES defending them from the Soviet Union and then Russia, and this is the thanks we get?

Were it not for the United States, the Soviet Union would have effortlessly rolled over Europe in the post-WWII era and made all these bozos Soviet satellite states. There was no one left in continental Europe to stop them. And the Soviets certainly had the intention of taking over Europe, given half a chance.

So, yeah, fuck Merkel and her anti-American globalist allies. They WANT to be part of the new Soviet Union West. Buh-bye.
Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2018 01:43 PM (c+2jX)

Yep, just ask the Czechs, Hungarians and the Poles. The Russians would have gone past the Rhine to the coast, I'll bet.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:44 PM (bcbK8)

164 thinking of Howard Coyle's The 10000

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at November 14, 2018 01:44 PM (7J5t2)

165 We've kicked the German's ass twice now... Don't tell me their looking for a third?

Posted by: STL Hawkeye at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (wvG1L)

166 I gave you clowns 1400 years. And you give me Macron?

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (Sjz1F)

167 Damn, England bailed on the EU just in time!

But of course now the commies in England are trying to Broward-County-ize their own Brexit vote, and have "do-over" so they can stay in the Soviet Union West.

One thing you can say for the commies: They never quit. They're like a herpes virus that simply won't go away.

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (c+2jX)

168 Outrage! These cuc-kommunists are out of cuc-kontrol!

Posted by: William Kristol, Editor-At-Large at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (Z9C5C)

169 Remember the Maginot Line! (that the French deserted from and Hitler's generals went around)

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (VpIIl)

170 We've kicked the German's ass twice now... Don't tell me their looking for a third?
Posted by: STL Hawkeye

Third time and we annex land.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (sMMcg)

171 Let's strip away the bullshit here.

Europe is a theme park, now with a new addition, "Muslimland," which, curiously, tourists don't want to visit.

Europeans are laboring under the misapprehension that they still matter. They don't. Not really.

When I lived in Europe I disabused some there of that notion when they weighed in on what Europe thought about something the US did/was doing.

"The crucial question is what does Peru think about it?"

"Who cares what Peru thinks?"

"Now you know exactly how Americans view Europe."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (VP1E6)

172 Poland ponied up money and welcomed the US to base there. We should take them up on it.
But first seal the LNG deal with Germany.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (vjohg)

173 The Muzzies will revitalize Europe... good, and hard....

Posted by: kraken at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (ffWPP)

174 So...how would that work with Canada and Australia? Would they be part of this army as a satellite locations?

Just wondering how Justin would set this up . . .

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (W+vEI)

175 From 1940ish - 1945ish, the last time "Europe" had one army, it's official language was German.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (37IEG)

176 They need an EU standing army to fight against their immigrant muzzie plague. Someone over there needs to be armed and trained, with something more than a whistle to blow.

Posted by: Roy at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (Rr52g)

177 These guys won't stay true to their financial commitments to fund NATO, how do you think funding a EU army is going to work out? Not to mention the possibility of the majority of their army actually populated with muzzie immigrants.EU army? I predict even our Salvation Army would be able to kick its ass.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

The best part is tat currently, they can't hope to defend Europe from a direct threat to Europe.

According to macaroon, multiple threats are envisioned. To deal with those requires the ability to project power.

The British realized in 1982 that they had so thoroughly atrophied, that the RN was simply an AWS force; it scrambled together the force that went, with predictable results.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (rFmwm)

178 Apparently the TV show 'Occupied' was Norwegian prophesy.

Just like Brave New World was English prophesy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (bcbK8)

179 171
"The crucial question is what does Peru think about it?"

"Who cares what Peru thinks?"

"Now you know exactly how Americans view Europe."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (VP1E6)

=========

Ha.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (oh/Sd)

180
98 France and Germany can't even figure out how to cross the English Channel

i thought that's what the chunnel was for; load tanks onto trains in berlin and drive them to london.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (NmR1a)

181 "106 I think our military technology
has improved so much in the last 20 years that we can actually win any
war we really have to win* in a stand-off manner with little risk to our
troops.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2018 01:38 PM (Kge8X)

You are wildly off-base. This might be the case fighting against, say, an EU nation that hasn't taken their military preparations seriously for a couple of generations. But China or Russia have the means to wreck us, domestically, without conventional military capability even entering into it. Our infrastructure is absurdly vulnerable.

And China, perhaps alone out of all nations, has the industrial base and production capacity to actually support their military as-fielded for an extended period of time. Sure, we can try giving them the old 8th Air Force treatment, but they can do it right back without dropping a single bomb.
We're what you would term a glass cannon, now. We can hit hard, but we've lost the institutional knowledge and a lot of the material capability to deal with anything beyond a short fight with a near-peer adversary. Our military and civilian leadership simply hasn't taken this shit seriously in a long time.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (eAshZ)

182 I can understand this. Eminem (Merkel and Macron) want to start a caliphate. They want to create an army that will oppress and destroy native Europe.

If anyone creates a European army, it should be Le Pen and AfD, not Macron and Merkel.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (/qEW2)

183 Merkel has wanted a European military for years. In fact her government has in the past used European borders issue vis-a-vis the uncontrolled immigration problem they instigated in order to further their argument for a European military.

Posted by: Dusty at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (l7WNH)

184 174 Just wondering how Justin would set this up . . .
Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (W+vEI)

He's too busy looking for his eyebrow to set anything up.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (UnA8+)

185 She suggested that the EU needs their own standing army so they can be
well defended against possible aggression. She was supporting Macron's
recent comments where he said Europe needed protection from, "China,
Russia and even the United States of America."

Fine with me. They are aware that they'll actually have to pay for an army, right?

Posted by: tu3031 at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (sf1AO)

186 To quote Sheriff Bart in "Blazing Saddles" as he leaves Lilli Von Schtupp:

"Auf wiedersehen, baby."

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (H7LIz)

187 At the heart of the progressive world vision there is a stunted, infantile denial of reality.
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This is about me isn't it.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (nksgn)

188 50
I totally agree with Europe defending Europe instead of the United
States and our money. I don't like commie France and my socialist 1/4
homeland Sweden but I do like they are not part of NATO and have their
own military equipment and standing army. The time has past where
Russia might possibly attack Western Europe. That means our military
should come home.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 14, 2018 01:32 PM (2DOZq)

Sweden's military has been gutted over the last 25 years, they couldn't hold any territory if they are attacked. Several years ago Russian planes were flying over Sweden and they couldn't do anything about it because it was after 5pm and Sweden's air force was closed for the day.

What Sweden does is, you guessed it, rely on NATO (see United States) to protect them under the umbrella of "western Europe".

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6287/sweden-military

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (fdTrp)

189 I'm guessing Merkel & Macron hope the formation of an EU Army will strengthen the sense of a unified European identity.

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No. Nothing can do that. There is no European identity. This is to keep the crumbling Schengen Agreement together by a last-ditch effort at an Army that can keep it together by force, if need be.

This is aimed at their own people. Not Russia, not China, and not us. Doesn't matter if it burns bridges with those countries, just as long as long as it keeps their socialist Superstate fantasy on life-support for a few more pathetic, sad little years.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (5aX2M)

190 yeah all those Muslim imports will just be clamoring to sign up for the "EU Army"

Posted by: brak at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (VckGX)

191 i thought that's what the chunnel was for; load tanks onto trains in berlin and drive them to london.
Posted by: Anachronda at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (NmR1a)

They crash them as soon as they cross and drive on the wrong side of the road.

Posted by: Roy at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (Rr52g)

192 The way elections are done in France basically stacks the deck against Le Pen
She always loses in the run off because the extreme left and the middle left unite against her
That's how Macron got elected

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (EGSGm)

193 I want to personally accept Merkel's surrender so I can use her head as a beer coaster.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (VpIIl)

194 185 She suggested that the EU needs their own standing army so they can be
well defended against possible aggression. She was supporting Macron's
recent comments where he said Europe needed protection from, "China,
Russia and even the United States of America."

Fine with me. They are aware that they'll actually have to pay for an army, right?
Posted by: tu3031 at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (sf1AO)

============

"We're gonna have to cut down on the free medical care."

"What medical care?"

"The stuff you wait for for a year?"

"Oh, that? Don't you dare!"

"Well, shit..."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (oh/Sd)

195 Yes; They're both trying to get some cred with the nationalist groups. Nobody believes them. The left doesn't want a European army. The right doesn't know they're doing some political grandstanding.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (AllCR)

196 to be fair, it is kind of a 2A argument they're making there.

Posted by: jd at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (JNKLN)

197 It'll be an Islamic army in two generations. None of the natives have much of the warrior spirit left in them.

My impression is that the Muslims generally speaking make shitty soldiers because they go in for the warrior approach rather than the disciplined soldier approach.

I don't know if that's true. Anyone care to correct me on this?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (VP1E6)

198 Sorry. The rights knows that they are doing political grandstanding.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (AllCR)

199 UH had a great German kid named Sebastion Vollmer playing for them from about 2005 to 2008 or so. He picked up the game from American's kids that were playing it around their bases. He made a great linebacker.

Everybody called him Sea Bass and he was funny as heck. I think he played a few years for New England (maybe still is there or somewhere).

Posted by: DanMan at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (QMG5F)

200 Yes, I say build up the Hun Army again. That's worked out well for France at least twice.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (VpIIl)

201 Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (eAshZ)

I'll simply opine that I believe that to be a gross overstatement .

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (2DOZq)

202 181 Our military and civilian leadership simply hasn't taken this shit seriously in a long time.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (eAshZ)

They're in on the con.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (UnA8+)

203 Trump should just say "You want an army? I assume you want the USA to pay for THAT too, amirite?"

Posted by: Roy at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (Rr52g)

204 The French will eventually become a minor and irritating province of the Greater German 4th Reich.

We have absolutely no obligation to rescue the French from the conquering Germanic horde and we have no obligation to rescue the Germans from those annoying, hairy French or the Frenchmen who hide under their skirts.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (2BPRE)

205 Fine with me. They are aware that they'll actually have to pay for an army, right?
Posted by: tu3031 at November 14, 2018 01:47 PM (sf1AO)

============

"We're gonna have to cut down on the free medical care."

"What medical care?"

"The stuff you wait for for a year?"

"Oh, that? Don't you dare!"

"Well, shit..."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (oh/Sd)

Oh, and about that six weeks of vacation every year ... (sucks in breath through teeth, then sighs, shaking head)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (VP1E6)

206 What did we see months ago, that the Germans have something fewer than 20 fighters that are flight capable at any one time? Something like that.

This is so stupid you have to wonder why she even bothered saying it. Just underlining to Americans, maybe, how strongly the EuroTrash dislikes Trump?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 01:50 PM (LISuA)

207
As it stands right now the German army is basically a public housing program and is incapable of being deployed to the field

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 01:50 PM (TAmPV)

208 OT but sort of relevant to topic: PM May's emergency cabinet meeting over 5 hours now..I imagine the bickering must be intense.

Posted by: IC at November 14, 2018 01:50 PM (a0IVu)

209 You can barely own a shotgun or hunting rifle in France or Germany. It would probably take the Russians about two days before they were pillaging Paris.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2018 01:50 PM (VpIIl)

210 205
Oh, and about that six weeks of vacation every year ... (sucks in breath through teeth, then sighs, shaking head)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (VP1E6)

===========

This is true.

I lived in Rome for a year, and the city emptied throughout the entirety of August.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:50 PM (oh/Sd)

211 to be fair, it is kind of a 2A argument they're making there.
Posted by: jd

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2018 01:50 PM (pnMCv)

212 People should understand that Macron is as popular as Rahm Emmanuel just before deciding not to run for re-election (26% favorable). This stunt he pulled and Angela's vocal support of it represents the end of the EU. Europeans like the EURO, but not the EU. For those countries in hock to the Germans (Greece, Spain, Portugal...) the best path for them is to return to the native currency and run some serious inflation to get out of debt. This would be painful for about a year to 18 months but they would return ownership of their country to their countrymen instead of German/Dutch bankers.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 14, 2018 01:50 PM (2LelM)

213 So the ________ can march in the shade!

Posted by: tu3031 at November 14, 2018 01:51 PM (sf1AO)

214 those annoying, hairy French or the Frenchmen who hide under their skirts.
________________________________________

Je m'rase!

Je m'rase!

Posted by: Madame Beaucoup d'Cheveaux at November 14, 2018 01:51 PM (H7LIz)

215 Russia taking over continental Western Europe might not be the worst possible outcome in our future.

The problem is that they can't get there without getting through Poland and the Baltic States. Maybe down through the Ukraine and over through Serbia.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 01:51 PM (yQpMk)

216 >>You are wildly off-base. This might be the case fighting against, say, an EU nation that hasn't taken their military preparations seriously for a couple of generations. But China or Russia have the means to wreck us, domestically, without conventional military capability even entering into it. Our infrastructure is absurdly vulnerable.

Clearly, you have never been to China or Russia.

Infrastructure. Heh.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:51 PM (/tuJf)

217 Merkel & Macron

There's no critical difference between these two idiots and Maduro or Castro.

They make up phantom fears about the Great Satan so as to paper over their declining positions. Merkel is fading and Macaroon has shitty approval ratings.

This is, for the moment, noise. At best there will be yet another ceremony to create a new HQ that will be a featherbed for more place holders. Anything else would require a rush to enlist or a large draft.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 14, 2018 01:52 PM (rFmwm)

218 204 The French will eventually become a minor and irritating province of the Greater German 4th Reich.

We have absolutely no obligation to rescue the French from the conquering Germanic horde and we have no obligation to rescue the Germans from those annoying, hairy French or the Frenchmen who hide under their skirts.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 14, 2018 01:49 PM (2BPRE)

Germany is the natural leader of Europe, and would be today, but for that unpleasantness in the mid-twentieth century, as a consequence of which they still tread lightly.

But absent that guilt, Germany could and probably should be calling the shots in Europe.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:52 PM (aKxkI)

219 196 to be fair, it is kind of a 2A argument they're making there.
Posted by: jd at November 14, 2018 01:48 PM (JNKLN)

They need a Well regulated Militia then, not an army.

Posted by: Roy at November 14, 2018 01:52 PM (Rr52g)

220 Just wondering how Justin would set this up . . .

Fabulously! Obvs!

Posted by: Prime Minister Zoolander at November 14, 2018 01:52 PM (BrQrN)

221 There's gonna be another world war in my lifetime, I think.

"What are we fighting for?"
"Tolerance!"
"How much do we want for it?"
"$15 per hour!"

Posted by: The United European Armed Forces of, errr, United Europe at November 14, 2018 01:52 PM (Z1eux)

222 Collectively, right now Europe would be lucky to scrape together a single division, not that any of their individual nation crap is truly interoperable, let alone their C2. A basic training company led by a ROTC class probably could take them out.

Posted by: Petain's Ghost at November 14, 2018 01:52 PM (Wd55D)

223 What National interest of ours is served in propping up NATO and the UN?

If any please explain.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at November 14, 2018 01:52 PM (0OmEj)

224 Maybe Macron is just planning for the future caliphate to defend itself from the US.

Posted by: Chris M at November 14, 2018 01:53 PM (eAZVt)

225 as i've said before, long ago, and here in the past year or so, the problem is not that we see europe as the enemy, it's that europe sees us as the enemy. it's baked into the pan-europeans union idea from its inception, that europe will become a sovereign power in a multi-polar world in competition with and with interests inimical to the u.s.

macron and merkel are merely articulating an idea well developed in europe's intellectual elite circles.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 14, 2018 01:53 PM (Pg+x7)

226 The Germans have 10 fighters rated capable of NATO flight operations.

https://tinyurl.com/ya828ksf

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 01:53 PM (LISuA)

227 Mach Deutschland ein ScheisseLoch Weider!

Posted by: ShainS -- Kavanaugh Shitshow Survivor at November 14, 2018 01:53 PM (JG+0H)

228 Translation from the German and the French:

We are horribly unpopular today.
We already have so many handouts for the slugs and privileges for the workers that it's getting hard to come up with more.
We've maxed out on the thrill of abortion and 'gay marriage.'
We have no ideas, just cheap bumper-sticker cliches.

What to do?
What to do?

I know! What would Hugo Chavez do? What would Castro do? What would our beloved Iran do?

Yanqui go home!
Death to America!
We will fight to the death the impending American invasion!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 14, 2018 01:53 PM (Rxduq)

229 May I take this opportunity to point out that these guys can't spend one percent of their GDP on defense right effing now?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 14, 2018 01:53 PM (B+qrE)

230 Merkel wants to replace Jean Claude Junkers.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2018 01:53 PM (amj4S)

231 We're what you would term a glass cannon, now. We can hit hard, but we've lost the institutional knowledge and a lot of the material capability to deal with anything beyond a short fight with a near-peer adversary. Our military and civilian leadership simply hasn't taken this shit seriously in a long time.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (eAshZ)

I've often wondered about that. If we were nuked, I suspect our leaders would flee to a foreign country and we citizens would discover that even our nuclear threat is outdated and hollow.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 14, 2018 01:53 PM (tNkxf)

232 " 40 "Those overseas troops and bases generate a lot of revenue for the areas they are in. Someone really isn't thinking this all the way through." "

No, Merkel and Macron think the US is still as stupid as when Obie was running the show and therefore the US will remain in place so the Eurotraash can afford have their own army and social experiments.

Posted by: Richard Noggon at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (ghkmP)

233
Clearly, you have never been to China or Russia.

Infrastructure. Heh.
---------------
Agree. Russia has the GDP of the Netherlands and 12 time zones. China has a modern sort of middle class of around 300M in a country with 1.3B. Most Americans have no real understanding of what the world is really like. America's big problem is it watches TeeVee.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (2LelM)

234 "The crucial question is what does Peru think about it?"

"Who cares what Peru thinks?"

"Now you know exactly how Americans view Europe."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:45 PM (VP1E6)

=========

Ha.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (oh/Sd)

Once upon a time I could tell you who all the leaders of Europe are, the PMs, even the sometimes ceremonial President positions.

Nowadays, I only know Merkle, Marcle (or whatever the french frog's name is), and.... CindyLu May, the Brit (she's still there, right?).

It's not that my memory is bad, it's not that I'm not paying attention to important stuff anymore, it's just that...knowing the names of Euro leaders is about as important as remembering the phone number of Blockbuster Video.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (9chmE)

235 So...Germany is in the midst of an invasion....and they want to put together an army to resist....us?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: 18-1 at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (eSx+E)

236 Clearly, you have never been to China or Russia.

Infrastructure. Heh.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:51 PM (/tuJf)

LOL.

This.

Russia is basically Mexico with nuclear weapons. I haven't been to China in quite a while, but I gather things have changed rapidly, so I'll withhold snark on China.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (aKxkI)

237 The Germans have 10 fighters rated capable of NATO flight operations.

https://tinyurl.com/ya828ksf
Posted by: Huck Follywood

Two A 10's, one Apache, & a Huey to play tag with them.

We still win.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (sMMcg)

238 This is true.

I lived in Rome for a year, and the city emptied throughout the entirety of August.

Remember the year France had a heatwave and thousands of elderly people died, because everyone else was on vacation?

Also, no air conditioning.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (84QUd)

239 >>My impression is that the Muslims generally speaking make shitty soldiers because they go in for the warrior approach rather than the disciplined soldier approach.

I don't know if that's true. Anyone care to correct me on this?

I'm thinking arming and training them, letting them into military leadership, access to nukes is a great way to find out. I wouldn't want to be there when it happens.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (W+vEI)

240 The German economy runs on car shipments to the United States, and the economy actually just had a shrinking quarter (for a variety of reasons, say economists). Merkel is really an idiot.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (LISuA)

241 They don't even have the manpower to fuck their women and they want an Army?

Yeah - Good luck with that.

Posted by: garrett at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (yVbV3)

242 John Kasich approves this message.

Posted by: ShainS -- Kavanaugh Shitshow Survivor at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (JG+0H)

243 234 Once upon a time I could tell you who all the leaders of Europe are, the PMs, even the sometimes ceremonial President positions.

Nowadays, I only know Merkle, Marcle (or whatever the french frog's name is), and.... CindyLu May, the Brit (she's still there, right?).

It's not that my memory is bad, it's not that I'm not paying attention to important stuff anymore, it's just that...knowing the names of Euro leaders is about as important as remembering the phone number of Blockbuster Video.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (9chmE)

At this point the only leaders we need to know are Erdogan, Xi, and maybe Putin.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (UnA8+)

244 Laura Loomer @LauraLoomer
BREAKING: Ballot box tie straps found outside of Broward supervisor of elections office

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (BqBId)

245 231
We're what you would term a glass cannon, now. We can hit hard, but
we've lost the institutional knowledge and a lot of the material
capability to deal with anything beyond a short fight with a near-peer
adversary. Our military and civilian leadership simply hasn't taken this
shit seriously in a long time.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 01:46 PM (eAshZ)

I've often wondered about that. If we were nuked, I suspect our
leaders would flee to a foreign country and we citizens would discover
that even our nuclear threat is outdated and hollow.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 14, 2018 01:53 PM (tNkxf)
Seriously, you guys think the Chinese or Russians are REALLY any better at it than we are? Exactly who is our near peer?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (37IEG)

246 I think you misunderstood their Point, Ace. They want to have their own Army, comprised only of Europeans, but they also want us to pay for that too.

Posted by: Pep at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (TesIt)

247 .. of course, the joke is that europeans won't even fund their minimal contributions to nato. and let's see what happens when german and french generals are ordering around southern european conscripts.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (Pg+x7)

248 I've always enjoyed Howard Coyle.

Team Yankee got made into a pretty good grognard game too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (bcbK8)

249 Macron might b e short, but at least he doesn't shove his hand in the front of his coat.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (amj4S)

250 Will the EU be able to afford to outfit their own military? Or will it look more like this:

https://youtu.be/dmTNZfR4dNw

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (9qZ3S)

251 China takes its military seriously.
And they don't have any sjw nonsense.

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (EGSGm)

252 I have to mentally adjust when thinking of Russia, so that I don't run everything through the Soviet Union lens....

Posted by: kraken at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (ffWPP)

253 Agree. Russia has the GDP of the Netherlands and 12 time zones. China has a modern sort of middle class of around 300M in a country with 1.3B. Most Americans have no real understanding of what the world is really like. America's big problem is it watches TeeVee.
Posted by: Puddin Head

China could put broomsticks in the hands of 300 million and send them in a human wave without missing them.

We couldn't reload fast enough.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (sMMcg)

254 Hey, Helmut Kohl, a prior German chancellor, whored himself out the Russians after he left office, by pushing a gas pipeline designed to avoid NATO ally Poland, to make it easier for the Russians to cut off gas supplies to Poland without affecting German supplies.

Merkel is probably looking for some of that Kremlin gold as well - after all, her unilateral decision to let in a million "Syrian refugees" has done more to destabilize the EU than anything else. The Kremlin owes her.

Posted by: The ARC of History at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (TEv5V)

255 Everybody called him Sea Bass and he was funny as heck. I think he
played a few years for New England (maybe still is there or somewhere).
Offensive tackle. Had some decent years here. Retired now.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (sf1AO)

256 248
I've always enjoyed Howard Coyle.

Team Yankee got made into a pretty good grognard game too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (bcbK

OMG - haven't played that board game in 30 years!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (37IEG)

257 Germany is the natural leader of Europe, and would be today, but for that unpleasantness in the mid-twentieth century

The first one, or that second one? Or the agreements to fund East Germany, who kept their families and countrymen prisoner?

Posted by: t-bird at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (OiC69)

258 >>Agree. Russia has the GDP of the Netherlands and 12 time zones. China has a modern sort of middle class of around 300M in a country with 1.3B. Most Americans have no real understanding of what the world is really like. America's big problem is it watches TeeVee.

On my last trip to Hong Kong I visited the brand spanking new University of Macao. The Chinese government built it to replace the old campus in the hopes of further incorporating the territory back into mainland China.

It's only about 5 years old and already falling apart. Literally falling apart.

You're right, we spend far too much time as a nation focused on the bullshit spewed from morons on teevee who don't seem to care much for their own country.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (/tuJf)

259 Infrastructure. Heh.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:51 PM (/tuJf)

-----

Yep. China can build a billion iPhones, but not a single aircraft carrier. They're not a near-peer. They're only blue-water naval vessels are refurbed Russian shit from the eighties. They can't even build a g-ddamn bridge of considerable size without help from foreigners. China is a paper tiger.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (5aX2M)

260 245 Seriously, you guys think the Chinese or Russians are REALLY any better at it than we are? Exactly who is our near peer?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (37IEG)

No, we think that the Ruling Class would just say "fuck it" and jump town to leave us to rot, because they WANT us dead.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (UnA8+)

261 Why did the French call the Nazis 'les Boches'? I used to know this.

Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (aQfmB)

262 China could put broomsticks in the hands of 300 million and send them in a human wave without missing them.

We couldn't reload fast enough.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (sMMcg)

Don't underestimate high explosives and automatic weapons.

We GUTTED the Red Army in Korea, more than we knew at the time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (bcbK8)

263 Hope they order extra white flags

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2018 01:58 PM (O2RFr)

264 If I was Trump I think I'd call up Merky and Macron cookie guy and tell them this is a fine idea.

In fact, all those American bases in Germany will be leaving....this year!

Have fun with Putin guys!

Posted by: 18-1 at November 14, 2018 01:58 PM (eSx+E)

265 Is it true that Macron is five feet tall and married to a woman his mothers age?

So weird.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 01:58 PM (LISuA)

266 >>>>Don't forget the biggest lie that 99% of people tell themselves every single day :

"I am a good person."
Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:42 PM (UnA8+)

Ahhh, I guess I should be happy to be the 1%?

Posted by: Max Power at November 14, 2018 01:58 PM (q177U)

267 The EU will never raise a meaningful army. Their pacifist populations would never support it. Even if they tried, somewhere along the way, Russia would turn off the natural gas pipeline, and that would be it.

Posted by: OCBill at November 14, 2018 01:58 PM (1i1rX)

268 You're right, we spend far too much time as a nation focused on the bullshit spewed from morons on teevee who don't seem to care much for their own country.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (/tuJf)

Add in 'social media' and you're spot on.

But still...buy ammo.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (bcbK8)

269 My geopolitical thinking is badly outdated.

Posted by: kraken at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (ffWPP)

270 NOW: Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) will be the next House Minority Leader. McCarthy received 159 votes, compared to Jim Jordan's 43 votes.

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (BqBId)

271 265 yep,he's basically a pedo victim

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (EGSGm)

272 I get the feeling the euroweenies want the chicoms and russkies to take them over.

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (M+Lyo)

273 Seriously, you guys think the Chinese or Russians are REALLY any better at it than we are? Exactly who is our near peer?
Posted by: DamnedYankee

Quantity is a quality all to it's own.

A 20 million man navy, even in zodiacs, will give us trouble if it comes to it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (pnMCv)

274 I haven't been to China in quite a while, but I gather things have changed rapidly, so I'll withhold snark on China.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (aKxkI)

My understanding is that Chinese infrastructure is questionable at best. Yes they're building like crazy, but the quality is horrible. Much of that infrastructure would be very susceptible to damage.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (wCmLp)

275 We GUTTED the Red Army in Korea, more than we knew at the time.

Yep. And in the process saved Taiwan by devouring the entire army that Mao was going to use for invading Formosa.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (yQpMk)

276 270 NOW: Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) will be the next House Minority Leader. McCarthy received 159 votes, compared to Jim Jordan's 43 votes.

Yup, a Ryan clone

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (O2RFr)

277 Hmm, Think I've read this scenario. Oh yeah, now I remember Larry Bond's book Cauldron.

Posted by: Scott-High Plains Deplorable at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (bAdLx)

278 260
245 Seriously, you guys think the Chinese or Russians are REALLY any better at it than we are? Exactly who is our near peer?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (37IEG)

No, we think that the Ruling Class would just say "fuck it" and jump town to leave us to rot, because they WANT us dead.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (UnA8+)
would that be so bad? Because only their current tax siphoning voter base will die that easily.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (37IEG)

279 "216
>>You are wildly off-base. This might be the case fighting
against, say, an EU nation that hasn't taken their military preparations
seriously for a couple of generations. But China or Russia have the
means to wreck us, domestically, without conventional military
capability even entering into it. Our infrastructure is absurdly
vulnerable.

Clearly, you have never been to China or Russia.

Infrastructure. Heh.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:51 PM (/tuJf)"

Yeah Russia is a dump and not at all on China's level in terms of produciton, but they retain the same sorts of electronic attack capabilities as the Chinese.
The crappy quality of the Chinese industrial base is either made up for by massive quantity, or by the fact that we lack an equivalent capability *at all*.
Shit, look at aircraft production. For several decades our fighter production has relied on a couple of pieces of massive equipment that were built right after WW2. We don't even have the capability of building more of the damn things; if they crap out, we are literally incapable of producing any of our modern fighter aircraft.

The Chinese have equipment that builds equipment that builds equipment that we don't even have, which is used to build shit that builds our equipment. The situation is not funny at all.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 02:00 PM (eAshZ)

280 256 248
I've always enjoyed Howard Coyle.

Team Yankee got made into a pretty good grognard game too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (bcbK
OMG - haven't played that board game in 30 years!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (37IEG)

My buddy at Boeing still plays it. He's big into minatures.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:00 PM (bcbK8)

281 sure, once the rapefugees get off welfare and start turbocharging the economy, they'll have tons of cash to pay for socialism and a kickass army.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at November 14, 2018 02:00 PM (7J5t2)

282 Russia has the GDP of the Netherlands.

And 312 ICBM's. The Netherlands doesn't have that.

Posted by: Why Russia is still important at November 14, 2018 02:00 PM (TEv5V)

283 I have said it before and will say it again: Martin Luther nailing his theses to the church door would be a "hate crime" against Catholics today.
You literally cannot have freedom of conscience without the right, absolutely, to disagree with other religions, impugn their truthfulness, and otherwise "insult" them.
Freedom of conscience and expression is dead in Europe and we should not waste the life of one more American to defend it.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 14, 2018 02:00 PM (koNhm)

284 Quantity is a quality all to it's own.

Logistics wins wars.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 02:00 PM (yQpMk)

285 276 270 NOW: Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) will be the next House Minority Leader. McCarthy received 159 votes, compared to Jim Jordan's 43 votes.

Yup, a Ryan clone
Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (O2RFr)

Worse.

A Boehner clone.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 02:00 PM (UnA8+)

286
The EU will never raise a meaningful army. Their pacifist populations would never support it. Even if they tried, somewhere along the way, Russia would turn off the natural gas pipeline, and that would be it.

Posted by: OCBill at November 14, 2018 01:58 PM (1i1rX)

The German army can't operate without central heating.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 02:01 PM (TAmPV)

287 China could put broomsticks in the hands of 300 million and send them in a human wave without missing them.

We couldn't reload fast enough.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (sMMcg)

FASCAM and cluster munitions, plus crew-served weapons. After the first few ranks fell the rest would break.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:01 PM (wCmLp)

288 Shut up and dance with me!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 14, 2018 02:01 PM (d7Ww2)

289 10 It'll be instructive what happens to all their beloved social expenditures when they have to pay for their own defense.
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Yeah, and they're going to need a lot more money now to pay for all the benefits that are going to be sucked up by all their new muslim welfare-dependents.

Achmed and his 8 wives aren't going to be paying for their own houses, euroweenies!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 14, 2018 02:01 PM (fqUgw)

290
Worse.

A Boehner clone.

True, but who wants to "lead" this bunch of losers?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2018 02:01 PM (O2RFr)

291 it's europe. who gives a fuck about their pipedreams. place is cali east. same assholes running shit, same asshats phucking everything up. standing army. staffed by who? lazy phucks. bring it, commie, nazi, bitch.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 14, 2018 02:01 PM (KP5rU)

292 >>>Angela Merkle

May Prince Harry wake up one day and discover that he'd slept with the succubus Angela Merkel.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2018 02:01 PM (/qEW2)

293 Kevin McCarthy??? Good lord. Isn't he fairly insipid and useless?

Posted by: IC at November 14, 2018 02:02 PM (a0IVu)

294 At this point the only leaders we need to know are Erdogan, Xi, and maybe Putin.
Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (UnA8+)

I'd include Abe on that list. The Japanese keep their heads down, but I've gotten rumbles that they're muscling up against the Chinese threat. IIRC, they also spend about 6% of GDP on the armed forces.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:02 PM (dBiBP)

295 We couldn't reload fast enough.

Posted by: rickb223
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How do you say NOOK U LUR?

Posted by: The big eraser, but it smudges at November 14, 2018 02:02 PM (aXxhK)

296 NOW: Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) will be the next House Minority Leader. McCarthy received 159 votes, compared to Jim Jordan's 43 votes.

Same Toady, different day.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 02:02 PM (yQpMk)

297 I get it, Macron needs to spurn Trump because that will earn him some points at home.

But his "mebbe we need to raise our own Army thing," which I applaud, actually, may need some rethinking. Because the Germans are thinking it, too. He might want to review the game films....

Posted by: blaster at November 14, 2018 02:02 PM (9VeU0)

298 And 312 ICBM's. The Netherlands doesn't have that.
Posted by: Why Russia is still important at November 14, 2018 02:00 PM (TEv5V)

Sure, just keep thinking that those are "windmills"...

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:02 PM (wCmLp)

299 Seriously, you guys think the Chinese or Russians are REALLY any better at it than we are? Exactly who is our near peer?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (37IEG)

I'm not worried about conventional war. I'm worried about a new group like ISIS growing in the ME and using nukes as terrorist weapons. The people of the US would finally be ready to flatten the middle east to end the threat, and our leaders would be on planes to their estates in New Zealand or someplace. Are we sure that our nuclear arsenal still works?

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 14, 2018 02:02 PM (tNkxf)

300
Quantity is a quality all to it's own.

A 20 million man navy, even in zodiacs, will give us trouble if it comes to it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (pnMCv)
Yeah, I understand God favors the big battalions. I'm not assuming we're going to go abroad to save anyone else's asses though.So their big battalions will have to come here.
And really, China and Russia working together? For about 2 weeks maybe.The Russians ain't commies any more. And China's moms and dads aren't going to be eager to see their boys slaughtered. A developing Middle Class changes the old mass assault equations.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 02:02 PM (37IEG)

301 64, Sharkman - "Video each casket being loaded onto the jet coming home with a family member telling the person's story to patriotic background music.

Every. Single. One."

THIS.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 14, 2018 02:03 PM (CeJUf)

302 As others have pointed in the comments this is a military force aimed at Hungary, Poland, Italy, and any other defector of the EU project.

They will claim those countries are in the hands of nationalists and will have to be "liberated". I am sad to say there will be certain American politicians who will be happy to send the U.S. military to help the E.U. crush those countries in the name of the international community and fighting Russia or some other garbage nonsense.

This is why radical internationalists are so dangerous. Internationalism is not just some trade deals and NATO to these people. They want the end of the nation state replaced by a new global feudalism. This is not some Alex Jones silly conspiracy about gay frogs, this is the real deal proposed by real leaders in Europe.

No patriot, nationalist or otherwise, of America or any other nation could possibly want this.

Posted by: William Eaton at November 14, 2018 02:03 PM (MuTTO)

303
But his "mebbe we need to raise our own Army thing," which I applaud, actually, may need some rethinking. Because the Germans are thinking it, too. He might want to review the game films....

Like I said order lots of white flags

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2018 02:03 PM (O2RFr)

304 Russia is basically Mexico with nuclear weapons.

At least the people of Mexico, generally speaking, are happy people. The average Russian is a miserable person to be around.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2018 02:03 PM (9qZ3S)

305 NOW: Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) will be the next House Minority Leader. McCarthy received 159 votes, compared to Jim Jordan's 43 votes.

Good, then these fake Tea Party ads that keep running on the radio about how totes McCarthy is going to build the wall stuff can stop.

Posted by: blaster at November 14, 2018 02:03 PM (9VeU0)

306 "a derisive term used by the Allies during World War I, often collectively ("the Boche" meaning "the Germans"). It is a shortened form of the French slang portmanteau alboche , itself derived from Allemand ("German") and caboche ("head" or "cabbage")."

Heh. No wonder Helmut Kohl had such a hard time being taken seriously.

Posted by: t-bird at November 14, 2018 02:03 PM (NpvYf)

307 >>I think you misunderstood their Point, Ace. They want to have their own Army, comprised only of Europeans, but they also want us to pay for that too.

Wait --- seriously??

Then again, they have us pouring millions/billions into protecting them from Russia, who is also their main source of energy, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 02:03 PM (W+vEI)

308 China plays catch up through espionage

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 02:04 PM (EGSGm)

309 >>My understanding is that Chinese infrastructure is questionable at best. Yes they're building like crazy, but the quality is horrible. Much of that infrastructure would be very susceptible to damage.

To put it bluntly, its a joke. The building codes, well they seem to have a great deal of flexibility.

C'mon, take a look at the garbage we get from centrally planned big government projects. Now throw in the added spice of full on totalitarian governments where graft is rampant and criticism is discouraged with extreme prejudice and imagine for yourself what their infrastructure looks like.

The Russians just suffered a bunch of damage to their one and only aircraft carrier when the dry dock it was sitting in sunk. Not the ship mind you, the frigging dry dock.

Our infrastructure may suck but it sucks a whole bunch less than the infrastructure of China and Russia.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 02:04 PM (/tuJf)

310 China could put broomsticks in the hands of 300 million and send them in a human wave without missing them.

We couldn't reload fast enough.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (sMMcg)

Don't underestimate high explosives and automatic weapons.

We GUTTED the Red Army in Korea, more than we knew at the time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (bcbK

The China invasion right now consists of rude tourists who show up at our National Parks in bus after bus after bus, like they own the damn place.

I don't doubt the will of China to conquer us, or the will of supine Elite CoC cuckservatives to be conquered by them, but they still have to cross the ocean, armed with more than umbrellas and attitudes.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 02:04 PM (9chmE)

311 The Chinese have equipment that builds equipment that builds equipment that we don't even have, which is used to build shit that builds our equipment. The situation is not funny at all.

Posted by: lurker (the other one)

China ca also put 200 million in the field

Posted by: wrg500 at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (MWO2y)

312 Send Max Boot to Europe. He's a one man army!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (aKsyK)

313 So who are we at war with, EurAsia, or EastAsia????

Posted by: kraken at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (ffWPP)

314
China could put broomsticks in the hands of 300 million and send them in a human wave without missing them.

We couldn't reload fast enough.
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They already tried that with 300k in Korea. For a few days they were successful. Then the survivors were cold, tired, hungry and out of ammo. Its just a bigger version of a Banzai attack without the alcohol.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (2LelM)

315 China ca also put 200 million in the field

It's a long swim.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (yQpMk)

316 NOW: Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) will be the next House Minority Leader. McCarthy received 159 votes, compared to Jim Jordan's 43 votes.
Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (BqBId)

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You know it was coming. His job for the next 2 years is to provide the excuses for why they couldn't get anything done or stop the Dem batshit craziness.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (ffYR/)

317 Start closing up Ramstein and start looking for flat pieces of ground near Warsaw or maybe Budapest.

Posted by: JB1000 at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (16OL0)

318 Yep. China can build a billion iPhones, but not a
single aircraft carrier. They're not a near-peer. They're only
blue-water naval vessels are refurbed Russian shit from the eighties.
They can't even build a g-ddamn bridge of considerable size without help
from foreigners. China is a paper tiger.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
Yah Oui.
I was in China off and on for about a year. All the shit that tourists don't see is all fucked up. Their roads suck, the infrastructure is sketchy and they pay people to broom the roads because no other skills.

Posted by: Roland THTG Kinetic Activist North Central Division at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (88+cf)

319 And Schumer was frantic.

Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (aQfmB)
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This is always a good sign. Schumer is an enemy of normal Americans, and a hero to those that wish to destroy our country.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (UsCnO)

320 313
So who are we at war with, EurAsia, or EastAsia????

Posted by: kraken at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (ffWPP)
The enemies we had 40 years ago.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (37IEG)

321 China plays catch up through espionage
Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at November 14, 2018 02:04 PM (EGSGm)

The problem with playing catch up is that you never get ahead.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (wCmLp)

322 Trump: Europe should start paying for their own defense.

Europe: Waa, Trump is mean and not nice! He's so mean and not nice that we're afraid he's not going to keep paying for our defense. We should start paying for our own defense. That'll show him!

Trump: ... Yep. Sure showed me.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (KUaJL)

323 He can't even keep the dry docks afloat.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 01:40 PM (/tuJf)
After the USS Fitzgerald and McCain debacles, the US Navy is in no position to throw stones.

Posted by: Jon at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (q+ZaN)

324 265 Is it true that Macron is five feet tall and married to a woman his mothers age?

So weird.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 01:58 PM (LISuA)

"Dr. Freud, please proceed to the white courtesy phone."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (EYsyU)

325 >> As others have pointed in the comments this is a military force aimed at Hungary, Poland, Italy, and any other defector of the EU project.

Ah, that makes sense.
How dare Poland and Hungary say no to the EU's demands that allow millions of refugees who will destroy their countries?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (W+vEI)

326 NOW: Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) will be the next House Minority Leader. McCarthy received 159 votes, compared to Jim Jordan's 43 votes.
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Uniparty.

Posted by: simplemind at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (aXxhK)

327 We spend DECADES defending them from the Soviet Union and then Russia, and this is the thanks we get?
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That's been their game for ages. We guard them against hot wars so they can flirt with the same deadly ideology within their own borders.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (13CQC)

328 So...Germany is in the midst of an invasion....and they want to put together an army to resist....us?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: 18-1 at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (eSx+E)

I pointed that out on the art thread. She's trying to claim there's a fake foreign threat in order to distract attention away from the real internal threat that she's carrying out to destroy her own country. She is a complete scumball piece of garbage.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (/qEW2)

329 Kevin McCarthy??? Good lord. Isn't he fairly insipid and useless?

It's so we win the support of the California delegation. What's that, three votes?

Posted by: t-bird at November 14, 2018 02:06 PM (OiC69)

330
John Kasick just called and said he stands with Merkel.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Creator of the Nood alert at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (ZjSUb)

331 315
China ca also put 200 million in the field

It's a long swim.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (yQpMk)
And there you have it - logistics nightmare - try getting them here, and FEEDING them.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (37IEG)

332 And exactly how many of these man-bun sporting, messenger bag wearing, layabout Euroweenie boys do they think are actually going to enlist to make up this EU army?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (90KoH)

333 China ca also put 200 million in the field
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As long as they can march to the field. China gets quirky and we cut them off via the sea. 1.3B starving Chinamen do about as well as 5M Kulaks starving.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (2LelM)

334 >>Is it true that Macron is five feet tall and married to a woman his mothers age?

Pretty sure the email leaks just prior to his election showed he was into gay nightclubbing and ecstasy?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (W+vEI)

335 China ca also put 200 million in the field
Posted by: wrg500 at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (MWO2y)

Most of whom would be dead, deserters, or POWs within a matter of weeks.

Logistics matter. Organization matters.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (wCmLp)

336 China could put broomsticks in the hands of 300 million and send them in a human wave without missing them.

We couldn't reload fast enough.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (sMMcg)

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Yeah. That worked a charm once before. I seem to remember when a human wave of Chinese defeated an undermanned, poorly equipped and disorganized American force at Chosin. Oh wait, it went the opposite from that.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (5aX2M)

337 they can't even fund their own militaries... so yeah, good luck with that.

and where are the troops coming from?

conscription?

well paid volunteers?

mercenaries?

they are so full of shit it's hysterical.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (Dagiw)

338 thinking of Howard Coyle's The 10000

Posted by: billionaires!

Great book.

I am in the middle of Clancy's Red Storm Rising, which is actually his best book, IMHO. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it when it first came out in 1986.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (Kge8X)

339 It's so we win the support of the California delegation. What's that, three votes?

I'm in CA. after this election it was a near wipe out.. Be surprised if there is that many left

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (O2RFr)

340 244
Laura Loomer @LauraLoomer

BREAKING: Ballot box tie straps found outside of Broward supervisor of elections office

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 01:55 PM (BqBId)

Duh.

How are they going to get the provisional ballots washed if they don't stack and bundle them first?

Posted by: corruption at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (UsCnO)

341
Kevin McCarthy is of the Swamp.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Creator of the Nood alert at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (ZjSUb)

342 >>And there you have it - logistics nightmare - try getting them here, and FEEDING them.

But at least they have a lot of oil and gas to power their fleet.

Oh.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (/tuJf)

343 they pay people to broom the roads because no other skills.
Posted by: Roland THTG Kinetic Activist North Central Division at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (88+cf)

Whereas we pay people with no skills to ... uh ... do what? Breed?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (EYsyU)

344 Funny, I've been talking about this exact movement for a couple of years. This is nothing new.

Sometimes I feel like Cassandra.

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (NgKpN)

345 No, this is good. We can make lots of money selling arms and expertise to this "European Army" the same way we make money off selling stuff to other half-assed foreign militaries.

But the question I want to ask Macron and Merkel is: Who do they think will sign up to fight in the EU Army? I don't think their new imports are going to make for good quality or loyal infantry.

Posted by: Brewdog at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (oNFAg)

346 China can also put 200 million in the field

We're apparently forgetting Rule Number One.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (B+qrE)

347
These Republican Shits never learn.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Creator of the Nood alert at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (ZjSUb)

348 330
John Kasick just called and said he stands with Merkel.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Creator of the Nood alert at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (ZjSUb)

Good. Yank his passport while he's standing with her. Let him pester Germany.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (bcbK8)

349 And China's moms and dads aren't going to be eager to see their boys slaughtered. A developing Middle Class changes the old mass assault equations.
Posted by: DamnedYankee

China is still commie. Shoot two or three soldier's families at home, video it, play it to the invasion force, and the rest will tow the line.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (sMMcg)

350 Russia is basically Mexico with nuclear weapons. I haven't been to China in quite a while, but I gather things have changed rapidly, so I'll withhold snark on China.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (aKxkI)

I have remarked that Russia is what Mississippi with nukes would be. China, they show a lot of shiny pictures but I have little information on how well all of it is tied together.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pack Your Panic Room with Grade A Comment Kits from The Outrage Outlet! at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (hLRSq)

351 Am i right that Israel could now conquer Germany?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (PPbDD)

352 Time to end NATO, but take out the new building

Posted by: CN at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (U7k5w)

353 The House GOP is insipid and spineless, so he'll fit in well

Posted by: brak at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (VckGX)

354 101 The French Army.

Please. Stop kidding around.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (1+J19)

Remember that their best unit is filled with anonymous foreigners.

Posted by: WeeBrowser at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (cQhQZ)

355 Maybe Merkel has plans for all those 'women and children' she's been importing from the Middle Yeast.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (37IEG)

356 "Yep. China can build a billion iPhones, but not a single aircraft
carrier. They're not a near-peer. They're only blue-water naval vessels
are refurbed Russian shit from the eighties. They can't even build a
g-ddamn bridge of considerable size without help from foreigners. China
is a paper tiger.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (5aX2M)

They're a paper tiger with a bic lighter, while we've spent 30 years dousing ourselves with gas. We're a lot more vulnerable than they are.

We need and want a world-class conventional capability, but this is veering off into the old "preparing to fight the last war" problem. China doesn't need to project conventional power to attack us.
- We no longer enjoy the benefits of geographical isolation we had during the last world war; we've made our infrastructure vulnerable to remote attack
- We still have a commanding lead in the ability to transport troops and materiel, but it's also at a fraction of our capacity at the height of the cold war. This blunts the threat of us delivering a sustained conventional ground campaign
- We're not even remotely capable of sustaining wartime production like we did in the last world war. This is a massive failure of civilian and military leadership.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (eAshZ)

357 Am i right that Israel could now conquer Germany?

Pretty much

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (O2RFr)

358 China can also put 200 million in the field

We're apparently forgetting Rule Number One.
Posted by: Circa

Well, I'M not sticking my dick in them.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (sMMcg)

359 346 China can also put 200 million in the field

We're apparently forgetting Rule Number One.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (B+qrE)

...you either do or don't want to have sex with them?

Which rule of One here? Scogg, help me out here.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (bcbK8)

360 Kevin McCarthy??? Good lord. Isn't he fairly insipid and useless?

Yes, he is a Republican.

Posted by: human at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (0CeRG)

361 270 NOW: Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) will be the next House Minority Leader. McCarthy received 159 votes, compared to Jim Jordan's 43 votes.
Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 01:59 PM (BqBId)
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Damn.
I fully expected that result but hoped it would be closer.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (Rxduq)

362 John Kasick just called and said he stands with Merkel.
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John Kasick just called and said he stands in line for the all you can eat buffet.

Posted by: simplemind at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (nksgn)

363 NOW: Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) will be the next
House Minority Leader. McCarthy received 159 votes, compared to Jim
Jordan's 43 votes.

------------------------------------
Same Toady, different day.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 02:02 PM (yQpMk)

Oh good, and here I thought Congress might actually think it's their job to do something.

You go, Kevin. Don't just do something, stand there.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (9chmE)

364 This development, and Macron's comments in particular, have been completely ignored by the usual suspects and their fans. They're all consumed with faux-outrage because Trump didn't want to walk down the Champs Elysees in the rain.

Posted by: Brewdog at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (oNFAg)

365 337 they can't even fund their own militaries... so yeah, good luck with that.

and where are the troops coming from?

conscription?

well paid volunteers?

mercenaries?

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (Dagiw)

I hear they have a lot of unemployed military-age Muslim men.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (xjiRE)

366 332 And exactly how many of these man-bun sporting, messenger bag wearing, layabout Euroweenie boys do they think are actually going to enlist to make up this EU army?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (90KoH)

But the ones who do can swing a mean handbag.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (EYsyU)

367 That dry dock has silent running.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (amj4S)

368 Just remember :

Muzzie pilots don't care about learning how a LAND a plane.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 14, 2018 01:37 PM (UnA8+)

Yep, but they need the aircraft carrier to actually leave port so that it can go where they need it.

France's flagship, the Charles De Gualle spends more time in port than at sea because, well, it's a piece of shit.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (fdTrp)

369 McCarthy has never struck me as very bright. Am I wrong about that?

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (wGbBR)

370
My understanding is that Chinese infrastructure is questionable at best. Yes they're building like crazy, but the quality is horrible. Much of that infrastructure would be very susceptible to damage.

They just opened the new Hong Kong Bridge and tunnel system (34miles long) connecting Hong Kong to the mainland and my first thought was how vulnerable to attack it looks.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (TAmPV)

371 Whereas we pay people with no skills to ... uh ... do what? Breed?

vote dem

Posted by: brak at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (VckGX)

372
The China invasion right now consists of rude
tourists who show up at our National Parks in bus after bus after bus,
like they own the damn place.

I don't doubt the will of China to
conquer us, or the will of supine Elite CoC cuckservatives to be
conquered by them, but they still have to cross the ocean, armed with
more than umbrellas and attitudes.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 02:04 PM (9chmE)

the Chinese are currently taking thousands of seats in WA state community colleges, to learn "Engrish".
Their parents, by writing $500,000 checks, got them green cards.
Yep. All legal.

Posted by: corruption at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (UsCnO)

373 351 Am i right that Israel ~~could~~ should now conquer Germany?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (PPbDD)

FTFY

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (bcbK8)

374 357 Am i right that Israel could now conquer Germany?

The Tennessee National Guard could conquer Germany.

Not that it matters, since Germany is already being conquered by Syrian irregulars.

Posted by: Brewdog at November 14, 2018 02:11 PM (oNFAg)

375 As long as they can march to the field. China gets quirky and we cut them off via the sea. 1.3B starving Chinamen do about as well as 5M Kulaks starving.

Posted by: Puddin Head

Bible prophesies a 200 million army will attack Israeli in the end times. Who can man that big of an Army?

Posted by: wrg500 at November 14, 2018 02:11 PM (MWO2y)

376 Apparently the lesson Germany learned from WWII is that it's important not to blame their political problems on an innocent internal group. This time, they're blaming their problems on an innocent external group.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2018 02:11 PM (9qZ3S)

377 Kevin McCarthy

Le Sigh

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:11 PM (g4KiZ)

378 331 315
China ca also put 200 million in the field

It's a long swim.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 02:05 PM (yQpMk)
And there you have it - logistics nightmare - try getting them here, and FEEDING them.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (37IEG)

I've said it before... annex Mexico, and Central America down to the Canal... Annex Canada...

With two big moats (the Atlantic and Pacific) and a very small choke point at the canal... truly defensible borders.

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 02:11 PM (NgKpN)

379 Who do they think will sign up to fight in the EU Army?

Let's just say there's only a tiny spot in the Middle East where they'll be deployed.

Posted by: t-bird at November 14, 2018 02:11 PM (OiC69)

380 And exactly how many of these man-bun sporting, messenger bag wearing, layabout Euroweenie boys do they think are actually going to enlist to make up this EU army?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (90KoH)

----------------

Yeah, this. They lost the generation of men that would have brought up real men, then grandkids, in WWII.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 02:11 PM (ffYR/)

381 Am i right that Israel could now conquer Germany?

SOUTH SUDAN has a larger army than Germany.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (B+qrE)

382 Remember that their best unit is filled with anonymous foreigners.
Posted by: WeeBrowser at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (cQhQZ)

Yep.

And IIRC, by law, Frenchmen are not allowed into the Foreign Legion, so the name is strictly correct.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (EYsyU)

383 The problem for China and other countries with so-called unconventional war options is 'What then?' If they can't occupy us, or actually destroy us, they are Japan in 1942.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (yQpMk)

384 367 That dry dock has silent running.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (amj4S)

It has Bruce Dern and a good theme song?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (bcbK8)

385 China could put broomsticks in the hands of 300 million and send them in a human wave without missing them.

We couldn't reload fast enough.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (sMMcg)

---
how far are they going to get before they die of thirst, disease or starvation?

i haven't put a whole lot of effort into research, but last time i looked, the Chicoms had SFA in the way of logistical tail...

tanks and guns are great, but if you can't fuel or reload them, they're just really expensive paper weights.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (Dagiw)

386 China doesn't need to invade us militarily, they're doing it culturally.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (Tdmb2)

387 But the ones who do can swing a mean handbag.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (EYsyU)

Heh, those are probably trannies.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (90KoH)

388 >>Am i right that Israel could now conquer Germany?

There's some Karma for you.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (/tuJf)

389 382 Remember that their best unit is filled with anonymous foreigners.
Posted by: WeeBrowser at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (cQhQZ)

Yep.

And IIRC, by law, Frenchmen are not allowed into the Foreign Legion, so the name is strictly correct.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (EYsyU)

The officers and NCOs are French.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (bcbK8)

390 Bible prophesies a 200 million army will attack Israeli in the end times. Who can man that big of an Army?
Posted by: wrg500 at November 14, 2018 02:11 PM (MWO2y)

There are over 1.5 Billion Moslems... but they remain fractured.

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (NgKpN)

391

How are they going to get the provisional ballots washed if they don't stack and bundle them first?

Two words: Dry. Cleaning.

There's a Martinizing Dry Cleaner near you for all your vote-cleaning needs. Call one today!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (HaL55)

392 They just opened the new Hong Kong Bridge and tunnel system (34miles long) connecting Hong Kong to the mainland and my first thought was how vulnerable to attack it looks.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (TAmPV)

It's not just that it's vulnerable, it's that it's so poorly made that the difficulty in destroying it is probably overestimated. They have apartment complexes only a few years old which are literally falling over. You think that they'll be able to effectively harden their command and control centers?

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (wCmLp)

393 384 367 That dry dock has silent running.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (amj4S)

It has Bruce Dern and a good theme song?

What's that supposed to mean

Posted by: Welcome aboard at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (O2RFr)

394 349
And China's moms and dads aren't going to be eager to see their boys
slaughtered. A developing Middle Class changes the old mass assault
equations.

Posted by: DamnedYankee

China is still commie. Shoot two or three soldier's families at
home, video it, play it to the invasion force, and the rest will tow the
line.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (sMMcg)
My understanding is there was a lot about Tienneman square we never officially heard about regarding popular resistance to running people over with tanks. The estimate is currently 10,000 casualties. Those won't all have been civilian.
It's not California yet, but it also isn't Mao's China any more.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (37IEG)

395 344
Funny, I've been talking about this exact movement for a couple of years. This is nothing new.

Sometimes I feel like Cassandra.

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 02:08 PM (NgKpN)
Yeah, I know.

Sometimes, I feel like Julia.

Posted by: Barky McJug Ears at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (UsCnO)

396 389 382 Remember that their best unit is filled with anonymous foreigners.
Posted by: WeeBrowser at November 14, 2018 02:09 PM (cQhQZ)

Yep.

And IIRC, by law, Frenchmen are not allowed into the Foreign Legion, so the name is strictly correct.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (EYsyU)

The officers and NCOs are French.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (bcbK

And actually, French are allowed to join, in fact you can sometimes trade Prison time, for Service.

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 02:14 PM (NgKpN)

397 I want to be clear, I think we would win a conflict with the Chinese at pretty much any scale. It's just going to be a shit-ton more painful domestically if they're at all serious about it. We're talking 1945-Europe-getting-fucked scale painful.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 02:14 PM (eAshZ)

398 I don't doubt the will of China to conquer us, or the will of supine Elite CoC cuckservatives to be conquered by them, but they still have to cross the ocean, armed with more than umbrellas and attitudes.
Posted by: BurtTC

It's more of a conquer-everything-around-them-first type of problem.

They could invade every asian country tomorrow and then just wait us out.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2018 02:14 PM (pnMCv)

399 "Silent Running" is an old scifi movie, that is very good.

Posted by: kraken at November 14, 2018 02:14 PM (ffWPP)

400 I hear they have a lot of unemployed military-age Muslim men.
Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (xjiRE)

Arming a bunch of disaffected and totally unassimilated wogs. What could go wrong?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:14 PM (1+J19)

401 There are over 1.5 Billion Moslems... but they remain fractured.

Posted by: Don Q

They are accounted for in end time prophesies

Posted by: wrg500 at November 14, 2018 02:14 PM (MWO2y)

402 Ever notice how communist nations rarely deploy armies in areas where mass desertion can happen? Yea...sending any army here would shrink rapidly.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (wGbBR)

403 Everyone hyperventilating about this and NYC's supposed giveaways to Amazon are missing the big picture. Bezos, owner of a cash-printing colossus and appreciating in wealth at heretofore unseen rapidity, has officially invaded Washington DC. A monopoly if there ever was one, Bezos can now shape public policy through his mouthpiece the WaPo and now lobby and bribe like fuck to keep his dominance intact and expand his influence to heretofore unseen heights. This Bezos guy really is Hank Scorpio.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (8JWHR)

404 Angela Merkle Supports Macron's Idea to Raise a European Army to Fight The United States

DJT: "Well, bless your heart" *pats on head*

Posted by: t-bird at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (OiC69)

405 China doesn't need to invade us militarily, they're doing it culturally.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (Tdmb2)

Culturally? No way. The Chinese have money, and that's it. That and a bunch of immigrants and Chinese workers here in the U.S. trying to steal shit.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (wCmLp)

406 IIRC, the EU announced the formation of a brigade or two of joint military units in the '90s, after the collapse of the USSR. The idea never went anywhere.

The idea that Merkel could participate in such an announcement with a straight face just screams parody or farce. After all, it was the Bundeswehr that recently had reports about ridiculously low rates of vehicles and equipment that were actually ready for use. The UK is the only one of the major European powers that actually meets its NATO obligations as a percentage of GDP (it's the third highest spender under that requirement; oddly, financially screwed up *Greece* is the second highest after the US). France, which actually has a decent military (it gets used a lot assisting former colonies fighting against "guerillas" from the Religion of Peace in wars that you never hear about in the media), checks in at number 7, at just under 1.8 percent of GDP.

For the curious, the others in the top ten are Estonia at number 4, Poland at number 5, Romania at number 6 (with 1.8, which puts them just a sliver above France; I could have sworn that they used to be a lot lower, which suggests that they've bumped up their spending recently; or alternately, my memory could be bad). France, as mentioned earlier is at 7. Latvia is at 8, Lithuania at 9, and Norway is at 10.

Germany is clear down at 17, with 1.24 percent of GDP.

Of course, Eastern Europe would go berserk if the US pulled out of Europe. And the spending of some of those countries suggests that. Despite their weaker economies, five of the top ten spenders as percentage of GDP are in Eastern Europe (including all three of the Baltic States). Unfortunately, the rest of Eastern Europe appears to be abusing the assistance of the US. Despite the belligerence of the current leader of Hungary, the Hungarians, Czechs, and Slovakians are all pretty low on the list. They're only beating out Iceland (which doesn't have a military), Luxembourg (which is a speed bump, and knows it), Belgium (iirc, they had unionized troops during the Yugoslavia mess), and Spain (which is about as safe as a European country can get). Those three nations need to start acting more like they have a big nasty eastern neighbor that would swallow them up given an opportunity.

Posted by: junior at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (CYhfQ)

407 Fine - bring every single soldier, sailor, marine and airman home. Today. Bring everything home. Work with anyone who wants to work with us; everyone else is on their own.
I am sick and tired of being the police force for the entire fucking world who hates us.

Posted by: DocJ at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (IbD2v)

408 The officers and NCOs are French.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (bcbK

And actually, French are allowed to join, in fact you can sometimes trade Prison time, for Service.
Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 02:14 PM (NgKpN)

I knew the officers and NCOs were French, but I didn't know they allowed Frenchmen in the other ranks. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:16 PM (1+J19)

409 The China invasion right now consists of rude tourists who show up at
our National Parks in bus after bus after bus, like they own the damn
place.

Every day, in my town, at 6:30 in the morning (I'm buying my coffee headed to work) a tour bus stops and the Chinese touristas get out, take pictures of the front gate of out local university for a few minutes, get back on and head to Philly. Pretty good laugh to start the day.

I'm not worried at all about Chinese manufacturing capabilities. Taiwan is their source of manufacturing know-how and Hong Kong is their banking source. The Mainland is just a lot of people trying to get work. American manufacturers are leaps and bounds better managed and more productive, just in my limited experience. They have cheap labor and stolen know how.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 02:16 PM (LISuA)

410 Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 02:04 PM (9chmE)

the Chinese are currently taking thousands of seats in WA state community colleges, to learn "Engrish".
Their parents, by writing $500,000 checks, got them green cards.
Yep. All legal.

Posted by: corruption at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (UsCnO)

I had a friend in grad school who was Chinese. Working on her umpteenth degree. Sweet girl. Last I heard she was up in Washington, working on another degree.

Must be nice, being a professional student, and given what she could have earned by working here, with a green card and the various licenses she held, must pay well too.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 02:16 PM (9chmE)

411 393 384 367 That dry dock has silent running.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (amj4S)

It has Bruce Dern and a good theme song?

What's that supposed to mean
Posted by: Welcome aboard at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (O2RFr)

The movie Silent Running with Bruce Dern and the song by Mike + The Mechanics of the same name

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:16 PM (bcbK8)

412 We couldn't reload fast enough.

Posted by: rickb223

One of my uncles, now passed on, was a Korean War Army veteran, a heavy equipment operator. He was at one of the operational areas just north of the modern DMZ when the Chinese entered the war. They reassigned him to a machine gun unit where Browning .50's were put on deuce-and-a-halfs to stop wave attacks. He told my Dad that killing Chinese got to be like a factory job. He hated the sound of bugles to his dying day.

Posted by: troyriser at November 14, 2018 02:16 PM (1JpTT)

413 Is it true that Macron is five feet tall and married to a woman his mothers age?

So weird.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist)

It's kind of creepy, really.

Posted by: Oedipus at November 14, 2018 02:16 PM (CXLVd)

414 Buh-bye. See ya later, dummkofts.

Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at November 14, 2018 02:16 PM (2sCft)

415 It's the Free Shit Army!

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 14, 2018 02:16 PM (Sz3zs)

416 Think of corruption in Chicago or NYC when it.comes to real estate development. Now multiply that by 1000 and you get China. Which is why every building, tunnel, bridge, airport built is crap quality with corners cut along the way.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:16 PM (Tdmb2)

417 397
I want to be clear, I think we would win a conflict with the Chinese at
pretty much any scale. It's just going to be a shit-ton more painful
domestically if they're at all serious about it. We're talking
1945-Europe-getting-fucked scale painful.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 14, 2018 02:14 PM (eAshZ)
This much is true. The continental US won't be mostly immune to a war this time around.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 02:17 PM (37IEG)

418 If a man is judge by the quality of his enemies, this hurts Trump. I mean, lookit the lineup: A Frenchman named Macron, A German named "Merkel", Bill Kristol, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer. Not an A-class Nemesis in sight. And don't get me started on George Soros and Tom Steyer; those guys are C-listers.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2018 02:17 PM (Pqytn)

419 This Bezos guy really is Hank Scorpio.
Posted by: Brass Bancroft at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (8JWHR)

Hmm...I kinda liked Hank Scorpio.

And Hank treated his employees better.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:17 PM (bcbK8)

420 Hong Kong bridge and tunnel system
there were multiple charges of fake safety tests during construction, and they installed the breakwaters on the artificial islands backwards
"made in china" quality

Posted by: brak at November 14, 2018 02:18 PM (VckGX)

421 406 Posted by: junior at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (CYhfQ)

============

Thank you for doing all that research. Great post.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 02:18 PM (LISuA)

422 BTW: don't forget that China is already massively upside down in its male/female population ratio...

sending a bunch of the few breeding age males they have off to fight and die in a war would be long term national suicide.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 14, 2018 02:18 PM (Dagiw)

423 334 >>Is it true that Macron is five feet tall and married to a woman his mothers age?

Pretty sure the email leaks just prior to his election showed he was into gay nightclubbing and ecstasy?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 02:07 PM (W+vEI)

That must make for some interesting dinner table conversation.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at November 14, 2018 02:18 PM (RD7QR)

424
405 China doesn't need to invade us militarily, they're doing it culturally.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:12 PM (Tdmb2)

Culturally? No way. The Chinese have money, and that's it. That and a bunch of immigrants and Chinese workers here in the U.S. trying to steal shit.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (wCmLp)

Who do you think is funding all the far left groups here? It's not all Soros.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:18 PM (Tdmb2)

425 Fine - bring every single soldier, sailor, marine and airman home. Today. Bring everything home. Work with anyone who wants to work with us; everyone else is on their own.
I am sick and tired of being the police force for the entire fucking world who hates us.
Posted by: DocJ at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (IbD2v)
++++
Seconded.

Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at November 14, 2018 02:19 PM (2sCft)

426 It's fitting that on the anniversary of the end of WWI, Macron and Merkel reveal that they have very 19th Century views on how armies are "raised." It's like the think they will just buy a bunch of rifles and call for volunteers and the peasantry will just line up and march off under their orders.

Posted by: Brewdog at November 14, 2018 02:19 PM (oNFAg)

427 @394 My understanding is there was a lot about Tienneman square we never officially heard about regarding popular resistance to running people over with tanks. The estimate is currently 10,000 casualties. Those won't all have been civilian.
It's not California yet, but it also isn't Mao's China any more.
-----------------

The current leader, Xi Jinping, is attempting to consolidate power. But he's being ridiculed by the locals (which is why anything related to Winnie the Pooh is banned in China), and his economy is fragile. It's anyone's guess how things will work out there over the next decade. It's also incredibly easy to forget that just a little over seventy years ago, China was a huge fragmented mess instead of a unified country.

Technically, it still is, though it currently only has one outstanding fragment (i.e. the Republic of China).

Posted by: junior at November 14, 2018 02:19 PM (CYhfQ)

428
It has Bruce Dern and a good theme song?

What's that supposed to mean
Posted by: Welcome aboard at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (O2RFr)

It was a bad joke referring to Down Periscope

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2018 02:20 PM (O2RFr)

429 well, now we know why merkel has been importing millions of jihadists. sure their air force is in shambles, they do not have a single submarine available for years, but they have millions of jihadis to bomb up and send in human wave attacks against chinese and russian armor.

they are working on a new suicide frogman to handle navy matters.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 02:20 PM (MTjB1)

430 Nato was a crappy wingman. Let's see what Brazil, India and Russia will offer to be our wingman as we face down China? Maybe we should sign up all three.

F the collusion wackos. They can sit at the kiddie table.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at November 14, 2018 02:20 PM (PvCxa)

431
Pretty sure the email leaks just prior to his election showed he was into gay nightclubbing and ecstasy?
Posted by: Lizzy
======
Wow. Unprecedented.

Posted by: simplemind at November 14, 2018 02:20 PM (nksgn)

432 And China's moms and dads aren't going to be eager to see their boys slaughtered. A developing Middle Class changes the old mass assault equations.

This leaves out of the equation what brainwashing can do.

European and American middle class parents are glad to have their daughters murdered by shit people, because they've been conditioned to believe that they deserve that. I expect Chinese parents have likewise been conditioned to cheer on the slaughter of their kids as long as it's for a cause they've been indoctrinated to believe. People have very little resilience when it comes to rejecting bogus ideas. See the article on today's EMT about Austria vs Germany (Vienna not waving the EU flag).

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2018 02:20 PM (/qEW2)

433
Culturally? No way. The Chinese have money, and that's it. That and a bunch of immigrants and Chinese workers here in the U.S. trying to steal shit.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (wCmLp)

The Confucius Institute is looking to build a strong presence on every major university campus in the U.S.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 02:20 PM (TAmPV)

434 In all reality, China doesn't need troops to conquer the US or the West.

They have all our data. They know everything that there is to know about every individual in the US.

Why bother with a invasion when they own your bank account?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2018 02:21 PM (pnMCv)

435 Also, people forget a couple things.

1.) No one will attempt a land invasion of the United States. The Soviets, at the height of their considerable power, rejected this idea as a suicide mission. They instead opted for the (equally dumb) idea of drawing us into a European war and nuking us in the Fulda gap or E. Europe.

2.) India will never permit China to ascend on the world stage. We may not get along, but they know where their bread is buttered, and they're military is considerably better than China's (even if it's a little bit smaller). Their soldiers are actually trained, equipped, and - get this - they can read.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 14, 2018 02:21 PM (5aX2M)

436 Merkle or no Merkel, bring the troops home.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:21 PM (Tdmb2)

437 Can we just GTFO of Europe now ? OK by the Global Force For Good TruCons ?

Posted by: The Midnight Rider at November 14, 2018 02:21 PM (VarTq)

438 425 Fine - bring every single soldier, sailor, marine and airman home. Today. Bring everything home. Work with anyone who wants to work with us; everyone else is on their own.
I am sick and tired of being the police force for the entire fucking world who hates us.
Posted by: DocJ at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (IbD2v)
++++
Seconded.
Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at November 14, 2018 02:19 PM (2sCft)

thirded...

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 02:21 PM (NgKpN)

439 I want a sequel to Team America: World Police where Team America retires because the EU thinks they can do a better job than America at policing the world.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 14, 2018 02:21 PM (KUaJL)

440 BTW: don't forget that China is already massively upside down in its male/female population ratio...

sending a bunch of the few breeding age males they have off to fight and die in a war would be long term national suicide.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 14, 2018 02:18 PM (Dagiw)

---
DOH!

i got it backwards... maybe they DO see a benefit in killing off millions of young men?

but how are they going to do that W/O all sorts of other losses?

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 14, 2018 02:21 PM (Dagiw)

441 Yeah, I figure that any army the Euros put together would actually be there to enforce EU policy on obstreperous EU nations --- just in case they get, um,.....intolerant.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 14, 2018 02:21 PM (Rxduq)

442 Russia is basically Mexico with nuclear weapons.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (aKxkI)
Bullshit. That was true 20 years ago, but today Russia's standard of living is basically the same as Poland and the Baltics.
Russia's GDP rose from $190 billion in 1999 to $1.6 trillion in 2017- literally only a handful of countries in the world saw a bigger improvement over that same period.

Posted by: Jon at November 14, 2018 02:22 PM (q+ZaN)

443 Who do you think is funding all the far left groups here? It's not all Soros.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:18 PM (Tdmb2)

=====================
Well, you got your assorted Middle Eastern potentates, the odd Iranian Mullah as well as a clutch of Latin American Cartel druglords and Moscow gangsters. Lots of action for the guys in suits with briefcases.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2018 02:22 PM (Pqytn)

444 I read that 10% of incoming freshman at my alma mater last year were Chinese nationals. This is at the University of Illinois, which is quite decent in engineering.

Posted by: Chris M at November 14, 2018 02:22 PM (eAZVt)

445 Fine - bring every single soldier, sailor, marine and airman home. Today. Bring everything home. Work with anyone who wants to work with us; everyone else is on their own.
I am sick and tired of being the police force for the entire fucking world who hates us.
Posted by: DocJ at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (IbD2v)

The funny thing is that Europe depends on our policing the world's trade routes, largely through the US Navy. Their economies depend critically on freedom of the seas, first to import their oil, but also to export their products.

Weakening us would be like inducing your bodyguard to become a vegan.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:22 PM (VP1E6)

446 Dirty Little Secret - Eurotrash have their generous social welfare states because the USA was largely picking up the defense tab.

If Merkel and Macron put their GDPs where their mouths are, this can only be good.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 14, 2018 02:23 PM (ujg0T)

447 256
248

I've always enjoyed Howard Coyle.

Team Yankee got made into a pretty good grognard game too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 01:56 PM (bcbK
OMG - haven't played that board game in 30 years!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 01:57 PM (37IEG)
Heh, speaking of old board games from that time frame - Ever played "Invasion America"?This comment thread reminds me of that game.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 02:23 PM (37IEG)

448 sending a bunch of the few breeding age males they have off to fight and die in a war would be long term national suicide.
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I think you may have this backwards.

Besides, you only need one guy and like 10 million chicks to repopulate, if its the right guy.

Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:23 PM (C9ILb)

449 442 Russia is basically Mexico with nuclear weapons.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 01:54 PM (aKxkI)
Bullshit. That was true 20 years ago, but today Russia's standard of living is basically the same as Poland and the Baltics.
Russia's GDP rose from $190 billion in 1999 to $1.6 trillion in 2017- literally only a handful of countries in the world saw a bigger improvement over that same period.
Posted by: Jon at November 14, 2018 02:22 PM (q+ZaN)

Interesting. I haven't been there in a long time, either, so apparently my information is out of date.

Thanks!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:24 PM (VP1E6)

450 Am i right that Israel could now conquer Germany?

Maybe that's the solution, to both Germany and Israel's problems! They can trade places: Germany gets to majority-muslim lots faster than through the drip-drip-drip migration method and Israel get's territorial integrity and neighbors used to being dominated.

I think you're really on to something!

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 02:24 PM (LISuA)

451 India is a factor as well with any conflict with China. The Indians and the Chinese have fought division-sized border clashes, and I would expect that if the U.S. and China went to war, India would be sucked in at some point.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:24 PM (wCmLp)

452 >>India will never permit China to ascend on the world stage. We may not get along, but they know where their bread is buttered, and they're military is considerably better than China's (even if it's a little bit smaller). Their soldiers are actually trained, equipped, and - get this - they can read

That's a very good point. When you leave the cities in China it is a very short trip to peasantville. And by short trip I mean immediately.

The vast majority of the Chinese population is dirt poor and illiterate. They may have a shitload of people but it is misleading to think they can whip them into a massive and effective army.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 02:24 PM (/tuJf)

453 Bible prophesies a 200 million army will attack Israeli in the end times. Who can man that big of an Army?

Posted by: wrg500 at November 14, 2018 02:11 PM (MWO2y)

China doesn't really give a shit about Israel, it's not in their 1000 year plan.

Africa is. And they are well on their way to colonizing the entire continent to plunder it's natural resources, and within 50-100 years turning it into China's breadbasket.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at November 14, 2018 02:24 PM (fdTrp)

454 446 Dirty Little Secret - Eurotrash have their generous social welfare states because the USA was largely picking up the defense tab.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 14, 2018 02:23 PM (ujg0T)

Absolutely true. It's also why they have their beloved six weeks of vacation per year.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:25 PM (VP1E6)

455 Besides, you only need one guy and like 10 million chicks to repopulate, if its the right guy.

Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:23 PM (C9ILb)

Tanned, rested, and ready!

Posted by: Peter North at November 14, 2018 02:25 PM (wCmLp)

456 I believe the US has 11 nuclear aircraft carriers. How many does Europe have?

Posted by: Mike at November 14, 2018 02:25 PM (c056A)

457 Russia's GDP rose from $190 billion in 1999 to $1.6 trillion in 2017-
literally only a handful of countries in the world saw a bigger
improvement over that same period.
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It's amazing what's possible when there isn't much of a government to fuck up your economy

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2018 02:25 PM (kOpft)

458 Africa is. And they are well on their way to colonizing the entire continent to plunder it's natural resources, and within 50-100 years turning it into China's breadbasket.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at November 14, 2018 02:24 PM (fdTrp)

If they can sort out Africa they'll have done everybody a big favor.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:25 PM (VP1E6)

459 3 Time to close our military bases in Germany.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 01:25 PM (ptqGC)

Better yet, Merkel can convert them into immigrant refuge camps. All they need is to add a few mosques.

Posted by: Roy at November 14, 2018 02:26 PM (Rr52g)

460 442

Russia started out from nothing so it looks impressive to go from $200b to $1.5t in 20 years. But for its population and insane amount of natural resources, $1.5t is still pathetic.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:26 PM (Tdmb2)

461 Besides, you only need one guy and like 10 million chicks to repopulate, if its the right guy.

The Paolo volunteers!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front, Boofing Chapter at November 14, 2018 02:26 PM (hSQF+)

462 but how are they going to do that W/O all sorts of other losses?
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Well their biggest loss will be the inability to collect on our debt, unless they decide to take it out in "trade" so to speak. Maybe annex a few things, Hawaii, Alaska, all of our pacific bases. Not California. They'll make us keep California.

Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:26 PM (wYJC9)

463 It's gonna be glorious watching them try to pay for that AND their "free" healthcare and education.

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 14, 2018 02:26 PM (rbgPC)

464 If Europe wants to be the moral conscience of the world...the good neighbor who makes sacrifices for the greater good of the world community...they are welcome to it. They haven't done shit. They steal our drugs, use our military, and cheat us in trade.
Screw them.

Posted by: Mike at November 14, 2018 02:26 PM (c056A)

465

Culturally? No way. The Chinese have money, and that's it. That and a
bunch of immigrants and Chinese workers here in the U.S. trying to steal
shit.

Not long ago, some wogs somewhere noticed that more than a few anti-American college activist organizations (like there's any other type) were being funded by the ChiComs.

Haven't seen or heard anything since that initial report. One can only assume they're still doing that.

You know what we need? Some law that prohibits organizations from working to overthrow our government.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (HaL55)

466 "If they can sort out Africa they'll have done everybody a big favor."

Ain't that the truth.

Posted by: Brunnhilde at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (aW5/6)

467 438 425 Fine - bring every single soldier, sailor, marine and airman home. Today. Bring everything home. Work with anyone who wants to work with us; everyone else is on their own.
I am sick and tired of being the police force for the entire fucking world who hates us.
Posted by: DocJ at November 14, 2018 02:15 PM (IbD2v)
++++
Seconded.
Posted by: SteveOReno , I proudly self-identify as a Moron at November 14, 2018 02:19 PM (2sCft)

thirded...
Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 02:21 PM (NgKpN)

Fourth'd.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (xjiRE)

468 @440 DOH!

i got it backwards... maybe they DO see a benefit in killing off millions of young men?

but how are they going to do that W/O all sorts of other losses?
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I was wondering about that post...

Besides, having low numbers of men isn't as big of a problem has having low numbers of women. In some ways, it's better (assuming that you've got at least a couple of decades of relative peace). With one man and ten women, you still have babies popping out at regular intervals. With ten men, and one woman... not so much.

Posted by: junior at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (CYhfQ)

469 Had a go-around with a NeverTrump-ish friend some time back about NATO. He was gung-ho on Article V and said we would be required to go to war if Russia invades the Baltic States. He got upset when I explained that what he thinks of as NATO doesn't exist, we don't have the forces in Europe to do a job like that, and that people might turn out to be less than enthusiastic about getting into a shooting war in which nuclear destruction of US cities might be on the table all so we can kick the Russians out of Latvia. No offense to Latvians. I'm sure it's a fine country.

People like my friend don't understand that it's not like it was. There is no more Fifth Corps. There is no more British Army of the Rhine.

Posted by: Brewdog at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (oNFAg)

470 Africa is. And they are well on their way to colonizing the entire continent to plunder it's natural resources, and within 50-100 years turning it into China's breadbasket.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac

If they can sort out Africa they'll have done everybody a big favor.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

They don't care if it's sorted out. They just care they can get what they want out of it. And I guarantee they won't play the whole "invest, then get nationalized" game the West has played all these years.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (AM1GF)

471 I want US to remain the superpower, but we must choose our allies carefully, and those should be our best trading partners.

The major threat is internal, with these now uber-rich oligarchs intent on importing a "new people" so they can keep using slaves of our enemies for personal profit (as well as the DC pay-to-play systems that bailed out billionaires and kneecapped real productivity and development).

China has massive problems, but have developed their trade infrastructure and are building lines of trade globally, buying mining and other resources around the globe. Our "freeTrade" globalists loved abusing their slaves and being able to pollute freely, in direct competition with American producers that fund clean air, workers comp, and all levels of welfare"

We need to think AmericaFirst ... which the globalists have thwarted since the 80's.

https://tinyurl.com/ybjmndfk

Posted by: illiniwek at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (Cus5s)

472 -
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Besides, you only need one guy and like 10 million chicks to repopulate, if its the right guy.

Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:23 PM (C9ILb)

Tanned, rested, and ready!

Posted by: Peter North at November 14, 2018 02:25 PM

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The hell with Spartacus, I'm Peter North!

Posted by: irright at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (pMGkg)

473 I believe the US has 11 nuclear aircraft carriers. How many does Europe have?
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How many missiles does it take to sink and a carrier?

Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (nksgn)

474 China doesn't really give a shit about Israel, it's not in their 1000 year plan.

Africa
is. And they are well on their way to colonizing the entire continent
to plunder it's natural resources, and within 50-100 years turning it
into China's breadbasket.
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Guess what's on the land route between China and Africa.

Posted by: Methos at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (kOpft)

475 Russia has 40% of our population and 8% of our GDP. It's a joke of an economy. It is Mexico with nukes.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:28 PM (Tdmb2)

476
Russia started out from nothing so it looks impressive to go from $200b to $1.5t in 20 years. But for its population and insane amount of natural resources, $1.5t is still pathetic.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:26 PM (Tdmb2)

They can't grow food and the idea of raising livestock is alien to the Russians

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 02:28 PM (TAmPV)

477 Tanned, rested, and ready!
Posted by: Peter North at November 14, 2018 02:25 PM

You're Canadian. How tanned can y'all be?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 14, 2018 02:28 PM (ctuyM)

478 >It is Mexico with nukes.

Nobody goes to vacation on the beaches of Russia.

Posted by: Roy at November 14, 2018 02:28 PM (Rr52g)

479 Besides, having low numbers of men isn't as big of a problem has having low numbers of women. In some ways, it's better (assuming that you've got at least a couple of decades of relative peace). With one man and ten women, you still have babies popping out at regular intervals. With ten men, and one woman... not so much.
Posted by: junior

Otherwise known as "why putting women in combat positions when you don't absolutely have to is suicidal foolishness".

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 14, 2018 02:28 PM (AM1GF)

480 I believe the US has 11 nuclear aircraft carriers. How many does Europe have?

Posted by: Mike at November 14, 2018 02:25 PM (c056A)

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The UK's Queen Elizabeth-class carriers were supposed to be a joint-construction venture with England and France sharing costs. The French bailed early, so the Brits took over the program and will soon have two F-35-equipped carriers operational.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2018 02:28 PM (Pqytn)

481 Do we still give money to Europe? I don't think we should. I mean, we're dangerous enemies and all.

Posted by: G. Gnome, GNOMCO Home Defense System and Turkey Fryer Salesman at November 14, 2018 02:29 PM (al6UK)

482 they are well on their way to colonizing the entire continent to plunder it's natural resources, and within 50-100 years turning it into China's breadbasket.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at N

no they are not. they may want to but they are nowhere near colonizing that continent.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 02:29 PM (MTjB1)

483 Guess what's on the land route between China and Africa.
Posted by: Methos

Paula Poundstone?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2018 02:29 PM (pnMCv)

484
You know what we need? Some law that prohibits organizations from working to overthrow our government.
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And what happens to political parties then?

Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:29 PM (s5OBJ)

485 @447 Heh, speaking of old board games from that time frame - Ever played "Invasion America"?This comment thread reminds me of that game.
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Used to own it. Fun game, provided the US player didn't screw up the initial setup.

Team Yankee got a release as a 15mm scale miniatures game a few years ago. It's basically the same game as Flames of War (for anyone who's familiar with that), but updated slightly for modern equipment and technologies. The Vietnam and Arab-Israeli releases for the old Flames of War system were brought over to the Team Yankee system, as well.

Posted by: junior at November 14, 2018 02:29 PM (CYhfQ)

486
Besides, you only need one guy and like 10 million chicks to repopulate, if its the right guy.

Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:23 PM (C9ILb)
That guy back at the dawn of time that supposedly 60% of us are descended from?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at November 14, 2018 02:30 PM (37IEG)

487 one army in a borderless Europe would probably lead to a thousand year reign for the EU.

or til 2030.

Posted by: x at November 14, 2018 02:30 PM (nFwvY)

488 The French have one nuke aircraft carrier, the DeGaulle. It displaces less than half the tonnage of a Nimitz class.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 14, 2018 02:30 PM (B+qrE)

489 How many ~~missiles~~ torpedoes does it take to sink ~~and~~ a carrier?
Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM

FIFY.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 14, 2018 02:30 PM (ctuyM)

490 The UK's Queen Elizabeth-class carriers were supposed to be a joint-construction venture with England and France sharing costs. The French bailed early, so the Brits took over the program and will soon have two F-35-equipped carriers operational.
Posted by: mrp at N

no they are not. there is a reason they sailed one over here to let our f35s do take offs and landings on them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (MTjB1)

491 Ha, if only the EU was serious and willing to spend whats necessary to mount a credible deterrent. They are not. Recent German weapons have a terrible reputation on delivery, with many problems.

Posted by: standfast24 at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (+9QGm)

492
How many missiles does it take to sink and a carrier?

Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (nksgn)

Alot. Missles don't sink carriers.The fires they cause can put them out of comission.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (TAmPV)

493 That was true 20 years ago, but today Russia's standard of living is basically the same as Poland and the Baltics.

Russia's GDP rose from $190 billion in 1999 to $1.6 trillion in 2017
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I haven't looked lately but I think Polish GDP per person is something like 3x Russian. Are you sure about living standards?

Beyond living standards, Russians have plenty of other problems too, population decline, too much territory for coherent government, alcoholism beyond imagination.

The Poles, by contrast are doing very well socially and economically.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (LISuA)

494 How many missiles does it take to sink and a carrier?
Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM (nksgn)

Enough to get through the defensive perimeter, and then to have a few actually hit a moving carrier, and then you have to do enough damage to sink it, which is difficult considering that they're built to remain afloat even while damaged.

And remember that you still have to locate the carrier, set up your launch site, and launch, while avoiding US drones and aircraft and surface craft hunting for you.

Posted by: Peter North at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (wCmLp)

495 >>Russia has 40% of our population and 8% of our GDP. It's a joke of an economy. It is Mexico with nukes.

And the vast majority of their economy is made up of oil and gas sales. Happiness is a diversified economy, not one in which you are dependent on one facet and you aren't the dominate player.

That would be the US.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (/tuJf)

496 Nood.....Caravan.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (ffYR/)

497 Russia's GDP per capita is just barely above Mexico's. And both of them are around 15% of America's.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:32 PM (Tdmb2)

498

Why bother with a invasion when they own your bank account?

*insert the old Super Bowl commercial where the Chinese instructor laughs when he talks about the USA: "They work for us now." here*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 14, 2018 02:32 PM (HaL55)

499 The French have one nuke aircraft carrier, the DeGaulle. It displaces less than half the tonnage of a Nimitz class.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 14, 2018 02:30 PM (B+qrE)

What was that line in Caddy shack? Hey Smails, my dick is bigger than your whole boat.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 14, 2018 02:32 PM (9Om/r)

500 You don't have to sink a carrier. You just need to frak up their flight deck. Then it becomes more or less useless.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 14, 2018 02:33 PM (AM1GF)

501 Trump will save the children; but not the European children.

Trump will save the children; but not the European children.

Trump will save the children; but not the European children.

He's coming, he's coming, he's coming.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, yea Nationalism at November 14, 2018 02:33 PM (bcbK8)

502 Britain: The only European nation to remember the last time Germany fielded an army and how that didn't work out too well (especially for the French as it pertains to this discussion).

Posted by: exliberal at November 14, 2018 02:33 PM (pd+Xc)

503 The UK's Queen Elizabeth-class carriers were supposed to be a joint-construction venture with England and France sharing costs. The French bailed early, so the Brits took over the program and will soon have two F-35-equipped carriers operational.
Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2018 02:28 PM (Pqytn)

Should I be polite and feign surprise?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:33 PM (cfSLd)

504 That's a very good point. When you leave the cities in China it is a
very short trip to peasantville. And by short trip I mean immediately.

The owner of a foundry in this little one chopstick town was taking us to lunch in his brand new BMW, which was made for blazing down the autobahn at 200 kph.
We could make about 20 mph on the single lane rutted road, in between the stops for duck herders and various stray goats.

Posted by: Roland THTG Kinetic Activist North Central Division at November 14, 2018 02:34 PM (88+cf)

505 Hey Angela,
Remember is was 242 years ago this Christmas that an American named Washington crossed a river and kick Hessian ass...the first of many opportunities over the years for Americans to do so.
Perhaps you should keep that in mind.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 14, 2018 02:34 PM (0tfLf)

506 no they are not. there is a reason they sailed one over here to let our f35s do take offs and landings on them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (MTjB1)

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Brit F-35s have been operational on the HMS QE for a month. Currently in training aboard ship.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2018 02:34 PM (Pqytn)

507 We could bring some home, but a Trumpian (AmericaFirst) approach to deals (instead of policing for "free") ... might keep US as the superpower, and not turn the global economy over to China (and whoever they triangulate with)

The economics and even the digital culture/economy now require military like strategic thinking. The Soviets seem to have figured out the infiltrate and march through the institutions thingy about 75 years ago ... where their tyrants got control of half of Europe after we defeated the other tyranny.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 14, 2018 02:35 PM (Cus5s)

508 Why bother with a invasion when they own your bank account?

Which is relevant under the rule of law.

But if we nationalize their holdings ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 14, 2018 02:35 PM (cfSLd)

509 A war between India and China is not far-fetched (they lob artillery shells at each other every now and again for practice). I wouldn't bet the Chinese would win against the Indians either. They have better air and sea capabilities, for starters, and plenty of nukes.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 02:35 PM (LISuA)

510 "Enough to get through the defensive perimeter, and
then to have a few actually hit a moving carrier, and then you have to
do enough damage to sink it, which is difficult considering that they're
built to remain afloat even while damaged.

And remember that you still have to locate the carrier, set up your
launch site, and launch, while avoiding US drones and aircraft and
surface craft hunting for you.

Posted by: Peter North at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (wCmLp)"
Isn't this why God made submarines?

Posted by: exliberal at November 14, 2018 02:35 PM (pd+Xc)

511 Fox News host and conservative commentator Laura Ingraham announced she was ending her long-running syndicated radio show and will launch a new podcast.

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 02:35 PM (BqBId)

512 @476 They can't grow food and the idea of raising livestock is alien to the Russians
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Then they should cut a deal with their southern neighbors in Mongolia. I'm sure that the Mongolians wouldn't mind more grazing space.

Again.

Posted by: junior at November 14, 2018 02:36 PM (CYhfQ)

513 442
Bullshit. That was true 20 years ago, but today Russia's standard of living is basically the same as Poland and the Baltics.
Russia's GDP rose from $190 billion in 1999 to $1.6 trillion in 2017- literally only a handful of countries in the world saw a bigger improvement over that same period.
Posted by: Jon at November 14, 2018 02:22 PM (q+ZaN)
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Russia's per capita GDP (c.10200) is a lot closer to Mexico's (c. 9700) than Poland's c. 16500.) It is nowhere near Estonia's (22,000.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 14, 2018 02:36 PM (Rxduq)

514 my dick is bigger than your whole boat.
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my dingie is bigger than your whole boat.

Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:36 PM (wYJC9)

515 Brit F-35s have been operational on the HMS QE for a month. Currently in training aboard ship.
Posted by: mrp at N

how many are embarked?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 02:37 PM (MTjB1)

516 Talked to a guy who worked in Poland and the Czech Republic and traveled in Hungary for grins.

He said the women aren't crazy, they're mature--even the younger ones-- they're good looking and they like Americans. And that was before anybody thought of building Fort Trump east of the Elbe.

Might not be a bad tour for our young guys. And Polish cooking is good. Bring'em home.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at November 14, 2018 02:37 PM (+lo8b)

517 "It's also incredibly easy to forget that just a little over seventy years ago, China was a huge fragmented mess instead of a unified country."

I'll bet Xi knows that very well and that the crackdown and consolidation is his attempt to get ahead of any real unrest. BTW - all of you commenting about Muslims getting their hands on France's nukes, imagine how much fun it would be if China decides to have one of its periodic civil wars?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pack Your Panic Room with Grade A Comment Kits from The Outrage Outlet! at November 14, 2018 02:37 PM (hLRSq)

518 China doesn't really give a shit about Israel, it's not in their 1000 year plan.

Africa is. And they are well on their way to colonizing the entire continent to plunder it's natural resources, and within 50-100 years turning it into China's breadbasket.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at November 14, 2018 02:24 PM (fdTrp)

It will be interesting to see how that colonialism will work out. Leftists are all claim to be in favor of unconditional diversity. Will we finally see a continent full of Tiger Woodses? I'm curious if they believe in diversity as a universal principle ... or if they are lying and only believe in it in certain cases.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2018 02:38 PM (/qEW2)

519 As a general rule a country doesn't field more than 5% of its population as a standing army, let alone in one place. 10% is a high end for a settled country.

Regarding arab troop quality, if you define warriors as bandits and raiders, yes they have a warrior culture that makes their fighting capabilities weak. If by warrior you mean a lifelong career soldiery in the fashion of knights and early aristocracy for some countries, then no. Seasonal raiding cultures tend to make for poor soldiers.

The chinese, if sensible are not hoping to reach us. They merely hope to field a strong enough airforce and navy to prevent the US from wrecking their infrastructure, which is disproportionately coastal. China has difficulty feeding its population and bombing their road networks would rapidly lead to mass starvation. If they are secure from us, they can invade their neighbors.

Posted by: Someguy at November 14, 2018 02:38 PM (qt8Bt)

520 Isn't this why God made submarines?
Posted by: exliberal at November 14, 2018 02:35 PM (pd+Xc)

Yeah, but he also made ASW. A Chinese sub would have to get close enough to fire torpedoes or missiles, and that's a long-shot at best.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 14, 2018 02:38 PM (wCmLp)

521 Wonder what the French people think. Youtube has vids of the annual ceremonies marking the anniversaries of the liberation of Carentan and of Ste. Mere Eglise.
Pretty elaborate and honor to the GI.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at November 14, 2018 02:39 PM (+lo8b)

522 I worry that China is going to start stealing our Gender Studies technology.

Posted by: t-bird at November 14, 2018 02:40 PM (OiC69)

523 The vast majority of the Chinese population is dirt poor and illiterate. They may have a shitload of people but it is misleading to think they can whip them into a massive and effective army.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 02:24 PM (/tuJf)

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I'm the furthest possible thing from a GWB fan, but when he gave all that plutonium to India... it moved a little.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 14, 2018 02:40 PM (5aX2M)

524 393 384 367 That dry dock has silent running.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 14, 2018 02:10 PM (amj4S)

It has Bruce Dern and a good theme song?

What's that supposed to mean
Posted by: Welcome aboard at November 14, 2018 02:13 PM (O2RFr)

OMG! NOOB! Not a fanboy! Stone 'em! Stone 'em!

Posted by: WeeBrowser at November 14, 2018 02:40 PM (cQhQZ)

525 Russia has 40% of our population and 8% of our GDP. It's a joke of an economy. It is Mexico with nukes.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 14, 2018 02:28 PM (Tdmb2)
In real terms (Purchasing Power Parity) Russia's GDP is the same as Germany's.
Nominal GDP measures a country's buying power in international markets, not its domestic productive capacity.
Let me know when Mexico can put humans in space, complete an engineering project on par with the Crimea bridge, etc.

Posted by: Jon at November 14, 2018 02:40 PM (q+ZaN)

526 @517 all of you commenting about Muslims getting their hands on France's nukes, imagine how much fun it would be if China decides to have one of its periodic civil wars?
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I have actually thought about that, and frankly it gives me nightmares. If I knew anything about the country, then it would make a great plot for a series of books.

Posted by: junior at November 14, 2018 02:41 PM (CYhfQ)

527 488 The French have one nuke aircraft carrier, the DeGaulle. It displaces less than half the tonnage of a Nimitz class.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 14, 2018 02:30 PM (B+qrE)

Our Gators are bigger than deGaulle.

Posted by: Fox2! at November 14, 2018 02:42 PM (A9I+K)

528 Russia's per capita GDP (c.10200) is a lot closer to
Mexico's (c. 9700) than Poland's c. 16500.) It is nowhere near
Estonia's (22,000.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 14, 2018 02:36 PM (Rxduq)
Standard of living is better measured by the PPP-adjusted figure than the nominal figure.

Posted by: Jon at November 14, 2018 02:43 PM (q+ZaN)

529 @519 Seasonal raiding cultures tend to make for poor soldiers.
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With one notable series of exceptions. The raiders that used to periodically emerge from central Asia were downright scary. The Mongolians were the last, but they weren't the first.

Posted by: junior at November 14, 2018 02:43 PM (CYhfQ)

530 Sounds like calls for a European Army are mostly a dodge to get out of their commitments to pay their part for NATO.

Posted by: Socratease at November 14, 2018 02:44 PM (BT83d)

531 One thing most people leave out of their calculations is the ability of populations to absorb losses. Asian countries are fatalistic and able to look past huge casualties as just part of life. Europe does too but to a much smaller degree.

Our country is unable to do so today. There were howls of outrage at compartively small casualty rates in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines can fight perfectly, our equipment perform magnificently, and yet our weak point is the home front. And that is a massive flaw in a large scale war.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at November 14, 2018 02:44 PM (CH+GM)

532 @520 A Chinese sub would have to get close enough to fire torpedoes or missiles, and that's a long-shot at best.
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Several years ago I remember reading stories about belated discoveries of Chinese subs in spots that they weren't supposed to be in, and where we definitely didn't expect that they could get (in relation to our carrier groups).

Posted by: junior at November 14, 2018 02:45 PM (CYhfQ)

533 most people leave out of their calculations is the ability of populations to absorb losses. Asian countries are fatalistic and able to look past huge casualties as just part of life. Europe does too but to a much smaller degree.

Our country is unable to do so today. There were howls of outrage at compartively small casualty rates in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines can fight perfectly, our equipment perform magnificently, and yet our weak point is the home front. And that is a massive flaw in a large scale war.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at N

you are thinking of asian cultures of old, none of the big three, especially, china have that perspective on the loss of their sons anymore.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 02:46 PM (MTjB1)

534 One thing most people leave out of their calculations is the ability of populations to absorb losses. Asian countries are fatalistic and able to look past huge casualties as just part of life. Europe does too but to a much smaller degree.

Our country is unable to do so today. There were howls of outrage at compartively small casualty rates in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines can fight perfectly, our equipment perform magnificently, and yet our weak point is the home front. And that is a massive flaw in a large scale war.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert

That's what I'm trying to say.
China - 1.3 billion people. Lose 300 million people that still leaves them with 1 billion people with, now, 300 million LESS mouths to feed.

Do you really think China cares? These are the people that will shoot you in the head and bill your family for the bullet.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 02:49 PM (sMMcg)

535 489 How many missiles torpedoes does it take to sink and a carrier?
Posted by: a moron at November 14, 2018 02:27 PM

FIFY.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 14, 2018 02:30 PM (ctuyM)

Talk about "how many" you want to, but you have to think about how well the crew is, especially with damage control. US carriers are heavily armored in the areas that matter, also.

Posted by: WeeBrowser at November 14, 2018 02:50 PM (cQhQZ)

536 The Germans, fiendish bastards that they are, should invade France by marching in backwards. The French will believe they're leaving and go back to eating cheese and drinking wine and whatever else they do when they're not stabbing America in the back.

Posted by: LGoPs at November 14, 2018 02:52 PM (xJQtz)

537 It's funny that France or Great Briton have forgotten that Germany was a threat to them not long ago.

Posted by: Chillin the most at November 14, 2018 02:53 PM (Rd6fJ)

538 Je pete dans votre direction generale!

Posted by: Emmanuel Marcon at November 14, 2018 02:54 PM (2Mnv1)

539 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2018 02:38 PM (/qEW2)

Doubt we'll see a continent full of Tiger Woods. Chinese men are not going to co-mingle with black women in a family structure sense.

Far more likely to see the return of slavery.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 14, 2018 02:54 PM (90KoH)

540 China and Russia wouldn't need to invade us. Our politicians come cheap.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 14, 2018 02:57 PM (M15N8)

541 Angela baby, you better put on some dungarees and pull maintenance on the 75% of Germany's Leopard tank force that is unserviceable and get them running and moving. Do that before you do any more braying and revealing yourself for the dumb ass you are.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 14, 2018 02:57 PM (Sda6L)

542
I haven't looked lately but I think Polish GDP per person is something like 3x Russian. Are you sure about living standards?

Beyond
living standards, Russians have plenty of other problems too,
population decline, too much territory for coherent government,
alcoholism beyond imagination.

The Poles, by contrast are doing very well socially and economically.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, AntiDemfa (anti-Demofascist) at November 14, 2018 02:31 PM (LISuA)
Polish GDP per capita is less than 2x higher than Russia's now (and the gap should be even smaller, since the ruble is currently undervalued by around 15% due to sanctions). Adjusted for PPP, they are about the same.
Poland's demographic problems are much worse than Russia's. The Russian fertility rate is currently about 1.7 children per woman (up from less than 1.2 in 1999), while Poland's is about 1.3. And alcoholism has declined enormously in Russia, part of the reason that since 2005, Russian life expectancy has increased from 65 to an all-time high of 72.

Posted by: Jon at November 14, 2018 02:59 PM (q+ZaN)

543 This story is not unlike the one below about Soros-funded faux conservative hos: the Euros are our faux allies as long as we fund them. The Germans literally teach kids the American bases are social welfare programs.

Cut them off. Russia has just as much to fear from Europe as they from it. Let those mothers sort it out.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at November 14, 2018 03:06 PM (573j3)

544 RE: Carriers vs Submarines

Go read CDR Salamander's blog, then come back.

tl,dr: We have been shit at ASW (a very perishable skill) for a long time.

Posted by: Reactor Axe Man at November 14, 2018 03:06 PM (gzmuv)

545 no they are not. they may want to but they are nowhere near colonizing that continent.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 02:29 PM (MTjB1)

I said they are on their way to colonizing, not that they have.

They are doing their best to do so though:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42413330

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at November 14, 2018 03:23 PM (fdTrp)

546 Would love for EU to nut up and shut up

Posted by: Regular joe at November 14, 2018 03:58 PM (cZlKA)

547 We tried to stay nutral in two world wars its time to tell the European Soviet Union to Stay Away

Posted by: Tamaa the Bird 1000 Voices at November 14, 2018 04:31 PM (wGqjj)

548 Nein! Nein! Achtung! Bitte! You mustn't go! Du hast gemacht mein entire Leben!

186 To quote Sheriff Bart in "Blazing Saddles" as he leaves Lilli Von Schtupp:

"Auf wiedersehen, baby."
--Adirondack Patriot

Posted by: Lili von Shtupp - making a German spectacle of herself at November 14, 2018 06:16 PM (PtLSm)

549 Russian life expectancy has increased from 65 to an all-time high of 72.

So, up to the life expectancy of a Englishman in 1960. Well done. I applaud their advancement from the Somalia like numbers at the turn of the century.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 06:37 PM (yQpMk)

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