A Legal Opinion On The Tucker Carlson Mob From A Real Expert [Andrew Branca]

Hey fellow morons!

In the aftermath of the attack at the home of Tucker Carlson I’ve been kindly invited to do a brief guest post on use-of-force law in the context of defense of one’s home.

It’s a humbling honor I could hardly decline.

Use-of-force law gets complicated fast when we’re talking about defensive force in the context of highly-defensible property, such as ne’s home. American jurisdictions have taken wide variety of approaches to achieving what they each feel is the appropriate balance between the value of the property rights of the defender on the one hand and the value of the life of the aggressor on the other.

That said, most jurisdictions create some special provisions for the use of deadly force in the context of highly-defensible property, such as one’s home, where the use of that same deadly defensive force would be unlawful absent the context of the highly-defensible property.

The Carlson home is located in the District of Columbia, and the relevant defense of highly-defensible property law is most conveniently found in DC criminal jury instruction 9.520, which reads in relevant part:

[A person may use deadly force to protect [[his/her [home] [business]] [a home in which s/he is a lawful occupant] if s/he has a reasonable belief that an intruder is entering the home or business with the intent to commit a felony or to do serious bodily harm to any of the occupants.]

The news reports I’ve read have indicated that the angry, threatening mob had used sufficient force against the Carlson home to substantially damage ("crack") the front door, which can be reasonably perceived as little else but an intent to unlawfully and forcibly breach and enter the home.

Would such aggressive conduct lead a reasonable resident inside that home to conclude that an intruder is attempting to enter the home with the intent to do serious bodily harm to any of the occupants—meaning not just to Mrs. Carlson but also her children present?

I rather think so.

Further, it’s worth keeping in mind that the burden on this issue is on the prosecutor, not the defender. That is, the defender need not prove that they were reasonably in such fear, and thus justified in killing the apparent intruder. The defender must merely reasonably assert that they were in such fear, which is certainly supportable on these facts, at which point the burden shifts to the prosecutor to disprove the claim beyond a reasonable doubt, and to do so to a unanimous jury.

Does it seem likely given these facts that a DC prosecutor could convince a jury unanimously and beyond a reasonable doubt that Mrs. Carlson, having the duty of protecting not just herself but her children present, lacked a reasonable fear that the angry, threatening mob apparently breaching her front door intended her and her children serious bodily injury?

I think not.

The particular individuals apparently attempting to breach the Carlson’s home should be grateful every day for the rest of their lives that Mrs. Carlson was not armed with, and willing to use, deadly force upon them as they attempted their violent breach of her home.

Not only would an effective use of deadly defensive force by Mrs. Carlson been highly likely to have maimed or killed some number of them, that use of deadly defensive force would almost certainly have been found to be both lawful under DC law and a social good by American citizens generally.

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Andrew was kind enough to prepare this analysis of the attack on the Carlson house with no notice at all! As many of you know he is an attorney specializing in the law of self-defense in the United States, and has written a rather good layman's book on state-specific issues. I have read it and found it quite interesting and informative. It's worth a read, especially since he is offering free shipping until midnight tonight, because we are such a wonderful (and profane) audience!

In addition to his legal work, Andrew is a lecturer at the FBI National Academy and has been cited as a subject-matter expert by the national media. He is also a gun guy! And a Moron in good standing!

Andrew provides free content at his Patreon page,, and also hosts webinars, including one tomorrow evening, Nov. 12,: a FREE two-hour live webinar on precisely this topic, the use of force in defense of highly-defensible property. He is partnering with ConcealedCarry.com. Head over to this link if you are interested.

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1 Roomy!

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 01:48 PM (I16G8)

2 Roomy here!

Posted by: Aviator at November 11, 2018 01:48 PM (2cuLk)

3 If only I had kept it to one word...

Posted by: Aviator at November 11, 2018 01:49 PM (2cuLk)

4 Of course, can you legally keep a firearm in your home in DC?

Posted by: Aviator at November 11, 2018 01:50 PM (2cuLk)

5 It was a missed opportunity.

Posted by: Runway Hitchhiker at November 11, 2018 01:50 PM (vtd+q)

6 And know, this scum known as Antifa , says they only knocked loudly and retreated to the street. It is coming to the point where a need has to be met.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 11, 2018 01:51 PM (xzqr4)

7 *waves at Andrew Branca*

I've got nothing. Just wanted to wave at someone famous.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 01:54 PM (fuK7c)

8 Just read Mike LaChance's column on Tucker's daughter. attack
https://tinyurl.com/yb2cdtqu

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 01:54 PM (T4oHT)

9 The pity is that there is such a patchwork of legal standards.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 01:54 PM (YqDXo)

10 I bet we have a lot of famous secret Morons.

Thank you, Mr. Branca, for the excellent analysis.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at November 11, 2018 01:54 PM (nvMvs)

11 This is very nearly what I said a few days ago. I would have shot the ones pounding on the door.

In SC there wouldn't have even been any questions asked.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 01:55 PM (mpXpK)

12 Home invasion? Boom. And BOOM!

Not guilty. I'll be here in the jury all week.

Posted by: Fritz at November 11, 2018 01:55 PM (Z9C5C)

13 Question: if the mob had actually broken down the door, and Mrs. Carlson blew away people entering the house (unlawfully), would there be any serious question of self-defense?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 01:55 PM (YqDXo)

14 Thanks, Andrew!!

We've had some lively discussions here on this topic of late, nice to have an *actual* expert opinion.

Posted by: ibguy at November 11, 2018 01:56 PM (vUcdz)

15 Yeah, once the door cracked for sure, it should've been shoot through the door time.

Or shoot from a window if the angle was right.

A little Roof Korean Moxy is needed in these situations and they soon will end.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2018 01:56 PM (9X624)

16 9
The pity is that there is such a patchwork of legal standards.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 01:54 PM (YqDXo)

For this kind of event most States are all the same. In most States Tucker's wife could have shot and killed those goons pounding on the door.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 01:56 PM (mpXpK)

17 You have more faith in a jury drawn from the DC crowd than I would.

Posted by: A at November 11, 2018 01:56 PM (7n17o)

18 I reckon these shitbags could try breaking my door in and then we could find out what my peers think about my response.

FFS people need to wake up to what is going on! Nothing good is gonna result from this. If you are not armed, legally or otherwise, you are begging for trouble.

"But but I might go to jail of I shoot somebody." Go with that Skippy. Good thinking.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 11, 2018 01:56 PM (oJu1c)

19 thank you Andrew

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 11, 2018 01:57 PM (dMvl+)

20 Just read Mike LaChance's column on Tucker's daughter. attack
https://tinyurl.com/yb2cdtqu
Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 01:54 PM (T4oHT)

I would have beaten the shit out of that asshole. I don't know how Tucker was able to restrain himself.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 11, 2018 01:57 PM (NFEMn)

21 What if a black judge or black jury sees a chance to infilct some payback for slavery?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 11, 2018 01:58 PM (t5m5e)

22 I fully believe in the law, it's the jury made up in a hard Leftist district I have no faith in. At some point the division between us will be more than the law can cover.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 01:58 PM (T4oHT)

23

Yeah, the first loud bang on my front gets Joe Bidened.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 11, 2018 01:58 PM (HaL55)

24
Isn't forcably entering a home that doesn't belong to you a felony?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 11, 2018 01:58 PM (PtOP4)

25 It's telling that the question must be asked?

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 01:59 PM (l513m)

26 Can you put up a sign on your door " All uninvited intruders will be met with deadly force. Proceed at your own risk"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 01:59 PM (Fh8wK)

27 24

Isn't forcably entering a home that doesn't belong to you a felony?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 11, 2018 01:58 PM (PtOP4)

Just attempting to enter is a felony.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 01:59 PM (mpXpK)

28 In the case of a DC jury, how much, in terms of dollars, would be considered jury tampering?

Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 11, 2018 01:59 PM (xzqr4)

29 I think we have to behave in this thread. *puts on a tie. combs hair*

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2018 01:59 PM (OiC69)

30 Yeah, once the door cracked for sure, it should've been shoot through the door time.

No. Per Andrew's analysis that would get Mrs. Carlson a not guilty verdict, but it would still ruin her life and TuCa's.

There would be a civil suit, there would be ruined reputations, and there would be living with the fact of taking a human life.

Best not to kill until it's unavoidable.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 01:59 PM (fuK7c)

31 I read a good article recently (probably an Instapundit link) about shooting people while defending your home... my takeaway is hopefully a trained and practiced Mrs Carlson would wait until the door is broken and the Antifa are physically inside her home before killing every one that enters. After shooting there is a high probability of years of court and tens or hundreds of thousands in legal fees especially if she shoots through the door.

Posted by: yop at November 11, 2018 02:01 PM (hPRt2)

32 Question: if the mob had actually broken down the door, and Mrs. Carlson blew away people entering the house (unlawfully), would there be any serious question of self-defense?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 01:55 PM (YqDXo)

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I would not think so, but would hate to face a jury comprised of D.C. residents to find out for sure.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 02:02 PM (I16G8)

33 One final question, Your Honor: how many votes do you need to convict her?

Posted by: Brenda Snipes at November 11, 2018 02:02 PM (DCYln)

34 Oops!

*puts pants on*

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:03 PM (5jVnA)

35 a social good by American citizens generally.
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We'd celebrate slightly less than we would for a supreme court vacancy.

Posted by: Methos at November 11, 2018 02:04 PM (kOpft)

36 Posted by: yop at November 11, 2018 02:01 PM (hPRt2)

Ah, well, I stand corrected then.

What would be the basis for lawsuits?

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2018 02:04 PM (9X624)

37 Thank you, Andrew. I hope you have not now assumed any personal risk because of this. Take care.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 02:04 PM (PkVlr)

38 In my opinion it will take exactly ONE of these hopelessly ignorant Antifa soybots getting shot in the fucking face to stop ALL of the seditious bellowing and harassment by the press and Antifa.

They have NO idea what they are doing or what they are uo against if it ever comes to real violence. And once it is clear that their OWN lives are worth nothing, which is what they think of us, they will stop.

So, who will be the martyr?

You, Giraffe Man?

You, Talcum X?

Or you, Oliver Willis, sitting in your Mom's filthy basement covered in Cheetos dust and stinking if ass and failure?

Posted by: Sharkman at November 11, 2018 02:04 PM (2eKoI)

39 Weird but I did not know Jon Unitas, Jim Brown, and Mean Joe Green were all playing for the Buffalo Bills?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 02:04 PM (Fh8wK)

40 31
I read a good article recently (probably an Instapundit link) about
shooting people while defending your home... my takeaway is hopefully a
trained and practiced Mrs Carlson would wait until the door is broken
and the Antifa are physically inside her home before killing every one
that enters. After shooting there is a high probability of years of
court and tens or hundreds of thousands in legal fees especially if she
shoots through the door.

Posted by: yop at November 11, 2018 02:01 PM (hPRt2)

May be true for a hardcore blue city like DC but in SC she would not have even been charged.

Lesson, don't live in blue States or cities. And if you have been keeping track you should note that all of these ANTIFA attacks are taking place in those areas where they know they can get away with.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:04 PM (mpXpK)

41 Are there manure spreading services available in their neighborhood? I think that would be a proportional response, in this case.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2018 02:05 PM (Z1eux)

42 It's only a matter of time before one of these Antifa types does get blown away...Interesting times we live in

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 02:05 PM (Fh8wK)

43 The door should stop them just long enough to retrieve a weapon, I would hope I could restrain myself until I had a clear target.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:05 PM (T4oHT)

44 Were there any arrests or did the cops even show up?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2018 02:05 PM (SiINZ)

45 I had read that the children weren't present. I think, however, the fact that Mrs. Carlson was cowering in the pantry while calling 911 would be insurmountable for a prosecutor to overcome the burden that she wasn't reasonable in fear for her life.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:06 PM (5jVnA)

46 Had Mrs. TuCa gunned down the piss-Antifas as they were breaking in her door, her homeowner's association may have sent a strong letter about the litter on the property and having it immediately removed before it stank up all of DC.

Posted by: direwolf at November 11, 2018 02:06 PM (BmTFY)

47 After shooting there is a high probability of years of court and tens or hundreds of thousands in legal fees especially if she shoots through the door.
Posted by: yop at November 11, 2018 02:01 PM (hPRt2)

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TuCa is worth about $11million, and Mrs. TuCa is an heir to the Swanson Foods fortune. They could easily handle the costs, but their lives would still be turned inside out.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 02:06 PM (I16G8)

48 If nobody from the mob is charged, then it can reasonably be inferred that the police and the courts are in on it for all practical purposes. Any use of deadly force would be seen as an opportunity to attack the Carlson family.

What was Kavanaugh guilty of?
What is Trump guilty of?

Doesn't matter, the Swamp dislikes their politics.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 11, 2018 02:07 PM (t5m5e)

49 there are four kinds of homicide:
Felonious
Actionable
Justifiable
Praiseworthy

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2018 02:07 PM (Dagiw)

50
Nothing says "I understand your point of view, but I would appreciate it if you would leave my property immediately." like a sucking chest wound.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 11, 2018 02:07 PM (veoSD)

51 I would not think so, but would hate to face a jury comprised of D.C. residents to find out for sure.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 02:02 PM (I16G

Yeah, I'd worry about that too. The only saving grace might be that all of the dramatis personae were white. If not, ... yow.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:08 PM (YqDXo)

52 There would be a civil suit, there would be ruined reputations, and there would be living with the fact of taking a ~~human~~prog life.

FIFY

Posted by: Methos at November 11, 2018 02:08 PM (kOpft)

53 Thanks, Andrew!

Posted by: Ha at November 11, 2018 02:08 PM (MAstk)

54 What I don't get is why these goons weren't removed from the property and the neighborhood from r disturbing the peace

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 02:08 PM (PkVlr)

55 TuCa is worth about $11million

and that answers an earlier question

What would be the basis for lawsuits?

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2018 02:08 PM (Z1eux)

56 49 there are four kinds of homicide:
Felonious
Actionable
Justifiable
Praiseworthy
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2018 02:07 PM (Dagiw)

5. Much-needed
6. Overdue

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:08 PM (YqDXo)

57 Yeah, that might be a Blue State thing.

I can't see a lone woman under assault in her own home being charged if she shot through the door at least here in Texas.

I could be wrong but I doubt it.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2018 02:09 PM (9X624)

58 After shooting there is a high probability of years of court and tens or hundreds of thousands in legal fees especially if she shoots through the door.
Posted by: yop at November 11, 2018 02:01 PM (hPRt2)

Allege extreme emotional distress - fair enough, I'd say - and countersue.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:10 PM (YqDXo)

59 The whole point of what is supposed to be George Soros supported takeover of DA's around the country is to control who does and doesn't get convicted.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:11 PM (T4oHT)

60 44 Were there any arrests or did the cops even show up?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2018 02:05 PM (SiINZ)

They were too busy guarding a doughnut shop.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:11 PM (YqDXo)

61 TuCa is worth about $11million

and that answers an earlier question

What would be the basis for lawsuits?
Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2018 02:08 PM (Z1eux)

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Yeah, it sounds like she would've been OK in criminal court, but they still may have had pretty big exposure in civil court.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 02:11 PM (I16G8)

62

I would not think so, but would hate to face a jury comprised of D.C. residents to find out for sure.

That's the thing about the massive shift to the political left: it's resulted in uncertainty in legal matters, particularly in cases like this. This was put on display most recently with the Kavanaugh hearings when every legal method we currently use to determine the truth concerning criminal matters was roundly ignored in favor of this "Social Justice" where proof is no longer needed and the presumption of innocence doesn't exist.
IMO, it's like somebody imposing sharia law on you in absentia. A completely separate and opposing form of justice that's delivered through the court of public opinion which results in definite punishment for whomever gets in its way has no place in America. If you really want to live that way, then move away now.

This SJW shit needs to be shut down before somebody really does get hurt. An unmistakable message should be sent that there is Zero Tolerance for any other justice other than the system we already have in place now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 11, 2018 02:11 PM (HaL55)

63 For gummers a question:
Considering that the C's lived in a neighborhood and there were homes across the street from theirs what would have been the appropriate weapon to stop the invaders but not be a threat to homes across the street?

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:12 PM (l513m)

64 On a relevant side note, if you haven't reinforced your doors with longer screws than the shoddy .75 inch ones supplied, you should do so now.

Doors are remarkably easy to kick in. Don't ask me how I know.

Use at least 1.5 inch screws, if not longer. Also consider gluing the trim to the jam and nailing the trim to the jam with 2 inch nails every foot or so.

It will make the difference between one swift kick and 3-4 kicks.

Steel doors are an even better option.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (5jVnA)

65 Awesome, thanks so much for the post, Andrew!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (GBteo)

66 Cases like this in Pennsylvania I hear of like this the home owner is cleared of any charges.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (T4oHT)

67 OT but the start of the recount in Broward has been delayed several hours today because the machines have been unable to pass basic logic tests and zero out.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (rnXGe)

68 Yeah, that might be a Blue State thing.

Always err on the side of crime. If the door was not busted wide open yet, how can she be sure it was going to be? Might have just been kids "turning their lives around". If it was busted open, how can she know they would have touched her? Might have just been hungry or looking for loot. Etc., etc.

Yes, I'm steeped in Blue State mentality. Always bend over backwards to protect the crooks.

That being said, long live Texas and common sense.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2018 02:14 PM (Ydn2k)

69 Thanks Andrew! We were debating this topic extensively this week.

To clarify one issue -- Mrs. Carlson was armed (there was a gun in the house anyways); firing through the still closed door once it was 'cracked' would be likely considered justifiable?

And then there are the political issues here -- It's DC, fully run by the Dems. Mayor, CoP, prosecutor' office I'm guessing... and Tucker is likely hated by them all.

I'd say never discount the chance of malicious prosecution.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 11, 2018 02:14 PM (Z4rgH)

70 This subversive crap is being funded by Soros and other, possibly even hostile foreign interests.
Too bad we no longer enforce laws on such activity.
Not by a long shot.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 11, 2018 02:14 PM (w7KSn)

71 What would be the basis for lawsuits?

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2018 02:04 PM (9X624)

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any frivolous claim will do.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2018 02:14 PM (Dagiw)

72 >>OT but the start of the recount in Broward has been
delayed several hours today because the machines have been unable to
pass basic logic tests and zero out.

Posted by: Brian
Must be democrat machines.

Posted by: Aviator at November 11, 2018 02:14 PM (2cuLk)

73 The courts have taken criminal liability and civil liability and confounded it.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:15 PM (l513m)

74
Yeah, that might be a Blue State thing.

I can't see a lone woman under assault in her own home being charged if she shot through the door at least here in Texas.

I could be wrong but I doubt it.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2018 02:09 PM (9X624)

If she only wounded the Antifa invader, a Texas judge would probably sentence her to additional range time to improve her marksmanship.

Which brings to mind Denis Thatcher, Maggie's husband. After the SAS stormed the Iranian Embassy in 1980 and rescued most of the hostages, Maggie and Denis had beers with the SAS on their return to Hereford. Denis gave them a hearty "well done" and then scolded them because they left one of the terrorists alive.

That man should have been a Texan, he was wasted on England.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 11, 2018 02:15 PM (veoSD)

75 67 OT but the start of the recount in Broward has been delayed several hours today because the machines have been unable to pass basic logic tests and zero out.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (rnXGe)

I love metaphors.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:15 PM (YqDXo)

76 Steel doors are an even better option.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (5jVnA)

Also, door that opens out.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 11, 2018 02:15 PM (oJu1c)

77 if mr./mrs. carlson killed or injured one of those antifa's and were prosecuted, i doubt they could get a fair trial in d.c.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2018 02:16 PM (Pg+x7)

78 OT but the start of the recount in Broward has been delayed several
hours today because the machines have been unable to pass basic logic
tests
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Even the machines are democrats.

Posted by: Methos at November 11, 2018 02:17 PM (kOpft)

79 It seems like the front door is there mostly to keep people out. As long as the door holds, I would call the police. Once the door is completely broken open, I will protect my life.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 11, 2018 02:17 PM (JvsaI)

80 Always err on the side of crime. If the door was not busted wide open yet, how can she be sure it was going to be? Might have just been kids "turning their lives around". If it was busted open, how can she know they would have touched her? Might have just been hungry or looking for loot. Etc., etc.

Yes, I'm steeped in Blue State mentality. Always bend over backwards to protect the crooks.

That being said, long live Texas and common sense.
Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2018 02:14 PM (Ydn2k)

Reds always support criminals, first out of natural affinity and professional courtesy, but more fundamentally because, per Marx, they consider criminals to be victims of an unjust society. Conversely, they consider industrious, hard-working, taxpaying citizens to be invidious oppressors of the downtrodden, such as criminals.

Crazy, huh?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:18 PM (YqDXo)

81 ... and if those antifa's had broken into the carlson's home and damaged it, i know they would get off with little more than a slap on the wrist.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2018 02:18 PM (Pg+x7)

82 63 For gummers a question:
Considering that the C's lived in a neighborhood and there were homes across the street from theirs what would have been the appropriate weapon to stop the invaders but not be a threat to homes across the street?

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:12 PM (l513m)

Shotgun with #4 Buck is always a good close-range option.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:19 PM (5jVnA)

83 Nothing says "I understand your point of view, but I
would appreciate it if you would leave my property immediately." like a
sucking chest wound.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 11, 2018 02:07 PM (veoSD)

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i know it's early, but....

thread winner!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2018 02:19 PM (Dagiw)

84 79 It seems like the front door is there mostly to keep people out. As long as the door holds, I would call the police. Once the door is completely broken open, I will protect my life.
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 11, 2018 02:17 PM (JvsaI)

Agreed. I think the door broken down, and a-holes entering is the Rubicon here. Once that happens, it's hard to see how anyone could maintain that blasting them was not self-defense.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:19 PM (YqDXo)

85 40

Lesson, don't live in blue States or cities. And if you have been keeping track you should note that all of these ANTIFA attacks are taking place in those areas where they know they can get away with.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:04 PM (mpXpK)

That is an excellent lesson. In my area of Texas, no jury would convict her if she had shot the intruders. We take self-defense seriously in most of Texas.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at November 11, 2018 02:19 PM (nvMvs)

86 The later thread tonight is for the best choice of what to arm yourself with.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:20 PM (T4oHT)

87
I would have beaten the shit out of that asshole. I don't know how Tucker was able to restrain himself.
_________________

Yeah, that Argentinian a-hole was lucky that wine in the face was all he got, and that Tucker and/or his son didn't punch his teeth down his throat.

But CPL, who seems to have a knack for inserting his stupid bald head into every news story, keeps insisting that the Argentinian did nothing provocative, even though the country club (according to Tucker) spent a couple of weeks investigating after Tucker complained to the management, and the country club ultimately expelled the Argentinian a-hole for his despicable conduct.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 11, 2018 02:20 PM (fqUgw)

88 >>>Steel doors are an even better option.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (5jVnA)

Also, door that opens out.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 11, 2018 02:15 PM (oJu1c)

Larger and longer 6 or 9" steel latch plates and steel sleeves for the door at the knob or latch handle.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:20 PM (l513m)

89 Steel doors are an even better option.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (5jVnA)

Also, door that opens out.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 11, 2018 02:15 PM (oJu1c)

I'd be surprised if those weren't against code as fire safety risk.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:21 PM (5jVnA)

90 This horribly racist post full of white nationalist lies distorts the factorials that the wonderful young political activists from Smash Racism were only at Mr. Carlson's house to share some Mentos. A noble endeavor to which they were very determined... as is their wont.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 11, 2018 02:21 PM (mN40J)

91 Get a long rifle with a red laser dot sight.
The placement of that dot might have some effect.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 11, 2018 02:21 PM (w7KSn)

92 All's well that ends well in that Mrs. TuCa didn't have to shoot anyone and no one was hurt.

Except that the police, who were called, didn't arrest every scumbag on the street who couldn't prove xe lived in the neighborhood.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 02:21 PM (fuK7c)

93
On a relevant side note, if you haven't reinforced your doors with longer screws than the shoddy .75 inch ones supplied, you should do so now.

Doors are remarkably easy to kick in. Don't ask me how I know.

Use at least 1.5 inch screws, if not longer. Also consider gluing the trim to the jam and nailing the trim to the jam with 2 inch nails every foot or so.

It will make the difference between one swift kick and 3-4 kicks.

Steel doors are an even better option.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (5jVnA)

There are also armored door frames that retrofit into wood frames to make it VERY difficult to break the door down without tearing out the whole door assembly. Surprisingly affordable too.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 11, 2018 02:21 PM (veoSD)

94
I think I would have a .22 firing blanks in my right hand, a .22 with actual ammo tucked in my back. After watching the Anarchists shit their pants at the sound of the .22 blanks repeatedly aimed at them and fired I would have watched them run away like the little girls they are.

They need to realize that the last warning shots are being fired.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 02:22 PM (URwyc)

95 Debating if I should tackle some of the growing pile of leaves.
Would rather not but they won't go away by themselves.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:22 PM (T4oHT)

96 Agreed. I think the door broken down, and a-holes entering is the Rubicon here. Once that happens, it's hard to see how anyone could maintain that blasting them was not self-defense.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:19 PM (YqDXo)

Yeah, once the door starts to fail, I suppose you're in better legal territory -- but I personally would wait for the door to fail all the way, not just "crack" if I could.

But hopefully hearing from the God of Self Defense settles the "if I see a crowd on my lawn I'm blastin 'em" crowd down a bit.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:22 PM (GBteo)

97 Shotgun with #4 Buck is always a good close-range option.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:19 PM

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Too much over penetration for me, especially in a house. 7 1/2 shot is plenty IMO.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 11, 2018 02:23 PM (YL/cr)

98 I'd be surprised if those weren't against code as fire safety risk.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:21 PM (5jVnA)

I can't think of any commercial building around here in which the doors don't open out.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 11, 2018 02:23 PM (oJu1c)

99 ... but in any case, i think carlson has been targeted because they perceive him to be a soft target, confusing his being nice with being a wimp.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2018 02:24 PM (Pg+x7)

100 Gays seem to like to harass people who are related to people with whom they disagree. You had this "gay latino" being nasty to Carlson's daughter and remember way back before Trump was barely even president, those two fags harassing Ivanka and Jared on an airplane?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 11, 2018 02:25 PM (NFEMn)

101 There are also armored door frames that retrofit into wood frames to make it VERY difficult to break the door down without tearing out the whole door assembly. Surprisingly affordable too.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 11, 2018 02:21 PM (veoSD)

As someone else mentioned, just using longer screws on your striker plates and hinges so t hat they really bite in to the framing can make a huge difference.

When you buy a door at home depot, the hinge screws only go in to the cheap shitty door frame which offers almost no resistance to a good body check. If you use screws long enough to bite in to the 2x6 house framing around the door frame, you're going to need a lot more power to break through that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:25 PM (GBteo)

102 I'm no fan of warning shots.
But suppression fire from a full auto BAR is a good tactic.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:25 PM (T4oHT)

103 89 I'd be surprised if those weren't against code as fire safety risk.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:21 PM (5jVnA)

To the contrary, all certified code fire doors always open out.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:25 PM (mpXpK)

104 >>>I think I would have a .22 firing blanks in my right hand, a .22 with actual ammo tucked in my back. After watching the Anarchists shit their pants at the sound of the .22 blanks repeatedly aimed at them and fired I would have watched them run away like the little girls they are.

They need to realize that the last warning shots are being fired.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 02:22 PM (URwyc)

You do have your will and all post-mortem instructions prepared, right?

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:26 PM (l513m)

105 It's disgracefull that every democratic politician did NOT come out and demand the arrest of the antifa scum that did this....And THAT is what makes me mad.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 02:27 PM (Fh8wK)

106
Perhaps if as the scum were damaging the door boiling oil was poured on their heads they'd get the lesson. Second look at parapets

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2018 02:27 PM (SiINZ)

107 MiL update: MiL latest MRI is clear (glioblastoma, for those not aware). She is fully functional, if not tired, and she is a bit underweight with the latest chemo, but hungry and healthy.

We are in the final stages of the move after selling our house. Gotta get off the HQ and off the couch to get moving on the move to be done with it.

Don't trash the place, morons, and thank you for the continued prayers and well-wishes.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:27 PM (5jVnA)

108 but in any case, i think carlson has been targeted because they perceive him to be a soft target, confusing his being nice with being a wimp.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2018 02:24 PM (Pg+x7)

Either way, they want him off the air for making them look bad at every opportunity.

As it is, you KNOW this is going to have an impact on his show. He'll think twice about booking SJW typesand don't be surprised if he --at his wife' behest-- softens his "tone."

Posted by: JoeF. at November 11, 2018 02:27 PM (NFEMn)

109 oh, and guys -- I really recommend buying attorney branca's book. It really is an excellent and informative read. Best book I've read on the subject.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:27 PM (GBteo)

110 101 Yes, I usually get longer screws in strike plates and each hinge and make sure those points are fully shimmed

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:27 PM (T4oHT)

111 Yeah, once the door starts to fail, I suppose you're in better legal territory -- but I personally would wait for the door to fail all the way, not just "crack" if I could.

But hopefully hearing from the God of Self Defense settles the "if I see a crowd on my lawn I'm blastin 'em" crowd down a bit.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:22 PM (GBteo)

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Big difference between them being on your lawn vs. them already on your porch and cracked your front door.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (I16G8)

112 A moron in good standing.
So what's that make the rest of us?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (0tfLf)

113 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:22 PM (GBteo)

If a mob was attempting to break down your door you would wait?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (CqhDV)

114 Of course, I don't worry about this stuff. Anyone who comes into my home uninvited will be playfully greeted by my pet tiger.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (JvsaI)

115 To the contrary, all certified code fire doors always open out.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:25 PM (mpXpK)

I stand vicsplained. Is that for residential? I have never seen a open out residential door.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (5jVnA)

116 This is some years back, but my husband's family were friends with a woman that had an abusive husband. During a period after an attack, while the husband was away, my husband's dad got her a gun and taught her house to use it. (He was a shooting instructor in the Army).

The husband came back and started pounding on the door. He told her he would kill her. She shot him through the door killing him. No charges filed. It was a textbook case of self defense.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 11, 2018 02:29 PM (Lqy/e)

117 110 101 Yes, I usually get longer screws in strike plates and each hinge and make sure those points are fully shimmed
Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:27 PM (T4oHT)

Yeah, another going point -- if there aren't shims there, especially with a wood door / frame, you'll get some gaps in the door as well as it swells and shrinks due to weather. It'll get drafty.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:30 PM (GBteo)

118 105 "it's disgraceful that dem politicians didn't denounce antifa..."

pelosi just accused trump of doing "violence to the constitution" for appointing an a.g to replace sessions.

remember - their violence is speech, our speech is violence.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2018 02:30 PM (Pg+x7)

119 I stand vicsplained. Is that for residential? I have never seen a open out residential door.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (5jVnA)

Every single wide/double wide trailer umm manufactured home has doors that open out.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 11, 2018 02:31 PM (oJu1c)

120 If a mob was attempting to break down your door you would wait?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (CqhDV)

It would depend on the situation, but yeah, I'd much rather wait. I don't live in a state with a stated castle doctrine, and there is much less case law on this in my state than in others.

I'd like my legal argument to be "he did absolutely everything possible before resorting to deadly force."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:31 PM (GBteo)

121 115 I stand vicsplained. Is that for residential? I have never seen a open out residential door.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (5jVnA)

That was code fire doors in a commercial building back when I was a damage control team leader. Residential homes in most States do not have to meet fire code standards for doors. the furniture and building materials must meet minimum standards for fire resistance.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:31 PM (mpXpK)

122 I stand vicsplained. Is that for residential? I have never seen a open out residential door.

Which illustrates one of the limitations of vicsplaining.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 02:31 PM (fuK7c)

123 The husband came back and started pounding on the door. He told her he would kill her. She shot him through the door killing him. No charges filed. It was a textbook case of self defense.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 11, 2018 02:29 PM (Lqy/e)

The Biden gambit....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 11, 2018 02:31 PM (NFEMn)

124 The husband came back and started pounding on the
door. He told her he would kill her. She shot him through the door
killing him. No charges filed. It was a textbook case of self defense.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 11, 2018 02:29 PM (Lqy/e)

A female in that situation will always get more leeway than a male.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 11, 2018 02:32 PM (rnXGe)

125 If a mob was attempting to break down your door you would wait?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (CqhDV)

You know I would.

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2018 02:32 PM (dczB+)

126 To the contrary, all certified code fire doors always open out.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:25 PM (mpXpK)

I stand vicsplained. Is that for residential? I have never seen a open out residential door.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (5jVnA)

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I have seen a couple. Steel doors that open outward. One was on a cop's house, the other a former Army sniper that had a fatwa issued on him.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 02:32 PM (I16G8)

127 Commercial doors the fire exit direction doors open out, don't think residential doors are that way. Many a front door opens inward, my door does since have a storm door that does go out.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:33 PM (T4oHT)

128 I have steel exterior doors at my house. But both of them open in. The house was built in 1981 before our county became a code county.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:34 PM (mpXpK)

129 If a mob was attempting to break down your door you would wait?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (CqhDV)

Yes.

1) I currently live in progtopia.
2) In that situation, I am well-armed for multiple assailants and able to fire and retreat.
3) That might change if wife and kids were present.
4) Depends on how big the mob and if they were armed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:34 PM (5jVnA)

130 ... antifa's goal is to intimidate carlson, just like the left does on college campuses - i don't think he'll soften his tone, though.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2018 02:34 PM (Pg+x7)

131 Ok, talked myself into going out. Have fun .

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:35 PM (T4oHT)

132 A moron in good standing.
So what's that make the rest of us?
Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (0tfLf)

Lower than pond scum

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 02:35 PM (Fh8wK)

133 Those long screws are much more affective with steel 6" striker plates and double that with a 6" steel sleeve on the door.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:35 PM (l513m)

134
It's all good and nice to go internet tough guy but if you have some serious assets as I'm sure Tucker Carlson has, the going rate for killing even the lowest Antifa scum is TWO MILLION DOLLARS. You think a DC courtroom is going to side with you?

Get real. Chase the pussies away.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 02:35 PM (URwyc)

135 If a mob was attempting to break down your door you would wait?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (CqhDV)

******

I probably would. I want a clear shot. Nail the second guy thru. Then the first. Third guy is tripping over body of #2 and that's an easy target. Anyone else coming thru after that is just gravy.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 02:35 PM (0tfLf)

136 We had a guy living in the mobile at the river. He wouldn't check in with his PO, so there wouls be a warrant out for him. Cops would come out and break down the door looking for him. The entire frame needs to be rebuilt.

They came out looking for him two months after he died in February. I guess they've finally found something new to do with their time.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 11, 2018 02:35 PM (Lqy/e)

137

Excellent!

So, for a dummy such as myself, can I shoot these fuckers or no?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at November 11, 2018 02:35 PM (iC81c)

138 My kids on the line?

I'll kill them as they cross the doorsill and worry about it later.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2018 02:36 PM (oVJmc)

139

This is why BUCKSHOT is so nice, btw.

Even BIRDSHOT.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at November 11, 2018 02:36 PM (iC81c)

140 Would I wait?

If my kids are in the house? Nope.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 02:37 PM (PkVlr)

141 1) I currently live in progtopia.
2) In that situation, I am well-armed for multiple assailants and able to fire and retreat.
3) That might change if wife and kids were present.
4) Depends on how big the mob and if they were armed.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:34 PM (5jVnA)

Yeah, these things would be so fact dependent.

...And it's easy to say what I'd do sitting in the comfort of my home with no angry mob at the door, too.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:37 PM (GBteo)

142 Lower than pond scum
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018

******

Ahhh. Good.
Don't want any special favors.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 02:38 PM (0tfLf)

143 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:31 PM (GBteo)M

What if they had guns ? Something you don't know the answer to. Better to wait?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:38 PM (CqhDV)

144 To the contrary, all certified code fire doors always open out.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:25 PM (mpXpK)
Different use.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:38 PM (wYseH)

145 yeah, I heard children were not present. Should be no difference, or even if it was Tucker alone. But certainly children present would be a stronger defense, if only considering a jury's feelings.

Better not to shoot through a door imo, unless there is a very real threat ... and a crowd of chanting protesters is unlikely to have murder in mind. But I'd be glad for it to happen to Antifa, if only to slow the next 200 rabid and drooling Antifa crazies from thinking such attacks are a pathway to glory. They are an enemy, and cops have sided with them too often ... not certain even prosecutors with side with the law in many locales.

Another thing, shooting blindly through a door could hit someone on the street ... or a neighbor. A safe place for a retreat would be a good idea, and a weapon there, and phone. If not a safe room, a safe closet?

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2018 02:39 PM (Cus5s)

146 And my kids would be standing behind me with their ARs loaded and ready. But I want to be the one firing. No sense in them having their lives ruined.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 02:39 PM (PkVlr)

147
You know, I hate sharing my Secrets like this on the open internet but...

Remember the Castle Anthrax scene? Remember ZOOT?

Zoot explained "first the spankings, then the oral sex," etc.

First the Buckshot...

Then, the SLUG.

Buckshot. Slug. Buckshot. Slug.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at November 11, 2018 02:39 PM (iC81c)

148 What if they had guns ? Something you don't know the answer to. Better to wait?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:38 PM (CqhDV)

If they have guns, then the entire scenario changes from a practical and legal standpoint.

But if they didn't have guns, and I assumed they did ... well, that could be a huge mistake.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:39 PM (GBteo)

149 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:38 PM (wYseH)

BTW, CBD, are you the one who got Andrew to write this post? If so, great job!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:40 PM (GBteo)

150 Why, it's almost as if an organization were committing a series of similar crimes, all controlled by a single political entity.
Too bad we in the US presently have no will to enforce RICO laws.
Seems like a young DA wanting to make his or her bones would jump at the chance to investigate or prosecute.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 11, 2018 02:40 PM (w7KSn)

151 144
To the contrary, all certified code fire doors always open out.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:25 PM (mpXpK)
Different use.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:38 PM (wYseH)

I was responding to a comment concerning fire doors. Not residential exterior doors and I specified that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:40 PM (mpXpK)

152 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:39 PM (GBteo)

That hash, it's almost like G'Beto.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:41 PM (l513m)

153 I have never seen a open out residential door.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (5jVnA)

Some zoning regulations won't allow it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:41 PM (wYseH)

154 That hash, it's almost like G'Beto.
Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:41 PM (l513m)

It sure is.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:41 PM (GBteo)

155 I would be reticent to fire thru my own front door being the cheap SOB that i am...but I would not be beyond sneaking out the back door and then confronting the trespassers from behind

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 02:42 PM (Fh8wK)

156 What about a small pack of Dobermans?

Posted by: pawn at November 11, 2018 02:42 PM (RQgLd)

157 are you the one who got Andrew to write this post?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:40 PM (GBteo)

Yes, he was kind enough to cancel his date with Kate Upton and crunch this out for us!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:43 PM (wYseH)

158 Well. Off to a Veterans Day event in town.

Later Horde.

And great I put Andrew. Thank you. I'll be buying your book.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 02:43 PM (0tfLf)

159 Better not to shoot through a door imo, unless there
is a very real threat ... and a crowd of chanting protesters is
unlikely to have murder in mind. But I'd be glad for it to happen to
Antifa, if only to slow the next 200 rabid and drooling Antifa crazies
from thinking such attacks are a pathway to glory. They are an enemy,
and cops have sided with them too often ... not certain even prosecutors
with side with the law in many locales.

Another thing,
shooting blindly through a door could hit someone on the street ... or a
neighbor. A safe place for a retreat would be a good idea, and a weapon
there, and phone. If not a safe room, a safe closet?

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2018 02:39 PM (Cus5s)

If a neighbor had been there, they would have been part of the mob. Ill, I think you are way naive about the intentions of these people.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2018 02:43 PM (F/KeJ)

160 Yes, he was kind enough to cancel his date with Kate Upton and crunch this out for us!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:43 PM (wYseH)

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It's just as well, considering Kate was a little busy the last couple of days delivering Justin Verlander's kid and all that.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 02:45 PM (I16G8)

161 Also, door that opens out.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 11, 2018 02:15 PM (oJu1c)

I'd be surprised if those weren't against code as fire safety risk.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2018 02:21 PM (5jVnA)

Doors opening out are required on public buildings.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:46 PM (YqDXo)

162 67 OT but the start of the recount in Broward has been delayed several hours today because the machines have been unable to pass basic logic tests and zero out.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (rnXGe)

I've left a message at our Supervisor of Elections (Lee Couny FL - red): Hold back our vote count till Broward, Miami-Dade, & Palm Beach report theirs, even if it's 1 minute before the deadline.

The Criminal Counties don't need to know how many votes they have to make up.

Doubt they'll do it, but it's nice to daydream

Posted by: Marybeth at November 11, 2018 02:48 PM (MEgUr)

163 Ya know I was thinking... maybe having a few rounds of blanks would be advantages in a situation like this? But then you'd have to clean up all that poop outside your door when those antifa punks panic?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 02:48 PM (Fh8wK)

164 But if they didn't have guns, and I assumed they did ... well, that could be a huge mistake.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:39 PM (GBteo)

Yeah it changes the scenario if they have a gun
and you just let them in before you did anything. It's not like they were just knocking on the door. As Andrew said, the thugs were lucky Tucker's wife thought like you.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:49 PM (CqhDV)

165 Opening doors; deja vue.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:49 PM (l513m)

166
Another thing, shooting blindly through a door could hit someone on the street ... or a neighbor. A safe place for a retreat would be a good idea, and a weapon there, and phone. If not a safe room, a safe closet?

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2018 02:39 PM

Good point. Shoot down at the feet. I don't think there has ever been a recorded case where some Antifa dude with a bullet in his foot did anything other then sit on the grass and cry like a little girl.

I'm kinda big on protecting assets and avoiding the huge jury award.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 02:49 PM (URwyc)

167 Good Afternoon, Horde. How's your Sunday going?

Thank you CBD for this post. We watched one of those crime TV shows this morning, based on a true story.

Some guy broke into a young families home and robbed the wife while the husband was at work. He hit her pretty hard.

The guy came back when the family was asleep. The dog woke them up and when the husband went downstairs to let the dog out, he found the intruder.

The two of them got into a fight, the wife heard the commotion and came downstairs, after grabbing a baseball bat.

She hit the guy in the back as he was struggling with the husband, she hit him so hard she broke the bat.

She went into the kitchen and grabbed a butcher knife and stabbed the guy in the back until he was dead.

When the cops got there, they found that the guy had brought stuff with him to kidnap the wife. Duct tape, rope.

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2018 02:50 PM (dczB+)

168 Yes, he was kind enough to cancel his date with Kate Upton and crunch this out for us!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:43 PM

Grrrrr

*shakes off catcher*
*shakes off catcher*
*shakes off catcher*

100 mph brushback pitch, high and inside

Posted by: Justin Verlander - Mr. Kate Upton at November 11, 2018 02:50 PM (786Ro)

169 Don't discount antifa as all punks and soy boys.
I have a strong suspicion this recent killer in Thousand Oaks was one, he dressed like one, he admired them on social media.
He was a US Marine, highly trained, he murdered 11 in less than 3 minutes.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 11, 2018 02:50 PM (w7KSn)

170 166 I'm kinda big on protecting assets and avoiding the huge jury award.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 02:49 PM (URwyc)

Which is why you shoot to kill. A wounded criminal can come back and sue you. A dead one can't.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:51 PM (mpXpK)

171 I have a strong suspicion this recent killer in Thousand Oaks was one, he dressed like one, he admired them on social media.
He was a US Marine, highly trained, he murdered 11 in less than 3 minutes.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 11, 2018 02:50 PM (w7KSn)

Do you have a liink where he admired antifa on social media?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 02:51 PM (Fh8wK)

172 The thing is, while it's easy to contemplate the situation sitting at a keyboard, and quite another to be confronted with an angry, potentially violent mob at your house in the middle of the night.

It's hard to imagine how jacked you'd be under those circumstances, or how much being that amped up would cloud your thought processes.

I hope I never find out.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:51 PM (YqDXo)

173 A wounded criminal can come back and sue you. A dead one can't.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:51 PM (mpXpK)

His or her family can

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 02:52 PM (Fh8wK)

174 I've left a message at our Supervisor of Elections (Lee Couny FL - red): Hold back our vote count till Broward, Miami-Dade, & Palm Beach report theirs, even if it's 1 minute before the deadline.

The Criminal Counties don't need to know how many votes they have to make up.

Doubt they'll do it, but it's nice to daydream

Posted by: Marybeth at November 11, 2018 02:48 PM

Hey, at least you're thinking ahead, thinking tactically. Which is more than the GOP does.

Posted by: Hands at November 11, 2018 02:52 PM (786Ro)

175 He was posting to Instagram WHILE he was killing.
They took it all down, of course.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 11, 2018 02:52 PM (w7KSn)

176 173 His or her family can

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 02:52 PM (Fh8wK)

Anybody can sue anybody else for anything, but they would have a much tougher time making a case.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:53 PM (mpXpK)

177 Grrrrr

*shakes off catcher*
*shakes off catcher*
*shakes off catcher*

100 mph brushback pitch, high and inside
Posted by: Justin Verlander - Mr. Kate Upton at November 11, 2018 02:50 PM (786Ro)

Nah. I'm surprised he doesn't throw thigh-high change-ups down the middle of the plate so he gets lit up and yanked by the manager in the first inning.

Then he goes home to Kate Upton.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:53 PM (YqDXo)

178 black 90lb. boxador and shotgun cmon in

Posted by: fireman1 at November 11, 2018 02:53 PM (CI6Et)

179 Yes, he was kind enough to cancel his date with Kate Upton and crunch this out for us!

Kate is available because of her bitter disappointment in Verlander having lost to the World Series Champion Boston Red Sox.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 02:54 PM (fuK7c)

180 Yes, he was kind enough to cancel his date with Kate Upton and crunch this out for us!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:43 PM (wYseH)

What a guy!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:54 PM (GBteo)

181 It's good to hear from Andrew, but I think there is still the matter of what constitutes 'entering'

If the door is still closed, and despite hearing the door being rammed and cracked, the question was is it legal to shoot through the door to stop the person.

I still think that unless the door had been breached, the resident would be prosecuted, especially in a jurisdiction like DC.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 11, 2018 02:55 PM (aPsQQ)

182 "He was a US Marine, highly trained, he murdered 11 in less than 3 minutes.Posted by: navybrat

yeah, reminds me of the killer in Dallas, killed 5 (?) cops ... he had military training, but was inspired by Black Lives Matter rather directly as I recall. The left, including media and the politicians, are pushing their crazies to be violent and even murderous ... while telling us we better shut up and take it cuz we are racist's causing the violence (by not agreeing with them and surrendering).

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2018 02:55 PM (Cus5s)

183 <<<He was posting to Instagram WHILE he was killing.
They took it all down, of course.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 11, 2018 02:52 PM (w7KSn)

Saw two articles saying he had posted and identified with antifa.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:55 PM (l513m)

184 She went into the kitchen and grabbed a butcher knife and stabbed the guy in the back until he was dead.

When the cops got there, they found that the guy had brought stuff with him to kidnap the wife. Duct tape, rope.

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2018 02:50 PM (dczB+)

Nice. It doesn't affect the Democrat vote count, though. He doubtless was and is still voting Democrat.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:55 PM (YqDXo)

185 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:55 PM (YqDXo)

Snort.

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2018 02:57 PM (dczB+)

186 What scares me is, she went and hid in the damn pantry, WTF? Why get yourself cornered? Where was she gonna run to if they came in and found her there? Most pantries just have the one door in.

I wonder if the mob themselves were surprised when the door cracked and then backed off? It's one thing to pull shit at a large protest when things are crowded and chaotic, but I think breaking in to a house and hurting/killing someone who was not doing a damn thing would be crossing a line even a DC jury wouldn't be able to ignore. (I'd opt for trial by judge, just to be safe, though)

I can't believe she ran, though. Tucker needs to have discussion with her. And after seeing the vid at the country club, the kids shoulda been armed and ready, too. (They're adult age, or does he have younger ones, too?)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 11, 2018 02:57 PM (90KoH)

187 181 I still think that unless the door had been breached, the resident would be prosecuted, especially in a jurisdiction like DC.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 11, 2018 02:55 PM (aPsQQ)

No so. In most States simply attempting to enter is a breach and a felony. But DC is not a State and is ran by corrupt Democrats. No sane person would live there.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:57 PM (mpXpK)

188 His or her family can [sue].
Which is why you got to kill his kin as well. Sippenhaft.

Posted by: Jesse James Gang at November 11, 2018 02:57 PM (mN40J)

189 If the door is still closed, and despite hearing the door being rammed and cracked, the question was is it legal to shoot through the door to stop the person.

I still think that unless the door had been breached, the resident would be prosecuted, especially in a jurisdiction like DC.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 11, 2018 02:55 PM (aPsQQ)

I think it would come down to fact finding on how cracked the door really was.

I suspect she heard the cheap frame crack, not that the actual door itself was cracked. In an expensive house like that, I imagine TuCa has a solid wood door. That would be very hard to crack.

I'd rather avoid all of that if I were in Mrs. TuCa's situation and wait until the door was open / off the hinges before resorting to deadly force.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (GBteo)

190 I hope I never find out.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:51 PM (YqDXo)

I also hope I never have to use deadly force but I've gamed played most situations in my head and what I will do. Of course, it's just a tool. You don't know exactly how you react but at least you have a plan that may help. He who hesitates .

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (CqhDV)

191 59 The whole point of what is supposed to be George Soross supported takeover of DA's around the country is to control who does and doesn't get convicted.
Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:11 PM (T4oHT)

Soros is in his late 80s. Are his sons running the operation now?

Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (kiSdp)

192 Which is why you shoot to kill. A wounded criminal can come back and sue you. A dead one can't.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 02:51 PM

You're not picturing the boys mama crying in front of the jury. 'He was a good boy, going to college. He was gonna make $200,000 a year for the next forty years!'

Jury? You pay. Two million bucks. That's just about the average dollar award for 'wrongful death' nowadays. You get to live in 'the bad' trailer park the rest of your life.

You wanna take that chance the family won't lawyer up and sue? Bad bet.

Don't kill. Hit 'em, but don't kill. As I've said in the past there's never been a recorded case where a home intruder who was shot first ever went on to kill. They're pussies. Once hit, they see the blood, they're not measuring the size of the wound to determine caliper. They're shitting themselves that they're gonna die.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (URwyc)

193 It's hard to imagine how jacked you'd be under those
circumstances, or how much being that amped up would cloud your thought
processes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 02:51 PM (YqDXo)

Ding Ding Ding!
We have a winner!
Shooting paper targets at a nice friendly range is a lot different than being awakened at 3:00am by somebody trying to kick the door in. Any athlete understands how adrenaline and nerves and excitement and fear change simple physical acts into something quite different. It would behoove anyone who has a weapon at home for defense to try to understand this...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (wYseH)

194 I wonder if the mob themselves were surprised when the door cracked and then backed off? It's one thing to pull shit at a large protest when things are crowded and chaotic, but I think breaking in to a house and hurting/killing someone who was not doing a damn thing would be crossing a line even a DC jury wouldn't be able to ignore. (I'd opt for trial by judge, just to be safe, though)

I can't believe she ran, though. Tucker needs to have discussion with her. And after seeing the vid at the country club, the kids shoulda been armed and ready, too. (They're adult age, or does he have younger ones, too?)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 11, 2018 02:57 PM (90KoH)

I'd be hiding in a pantry, with a gun, while on the phone with 911.

Personally.

If anyone breaches the pantry door, I'd feel comfortable saying thats a legal self defense shot.

Things change if you have kids at home, obviously.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:59 PM (GBteo)

195 if they intended to murder her, they probably could just knock during the day and she would answer ... I would guess. Not at this point she wouldn't ... but I really don't think Antifa has orders (Soros) ... to murder ... but cops (as in Berkely or Charlottesville) seem to give them room to riot ... with not charges ... they accommodate Antifa in many places. Bike lock professor almost murdered though ...

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2018 03:00 PM (Cus5s)

196 63 For gummers a question:

Considering that the C's lived in a neighborhood and there were homes across the street from theirs what would have been the appropriate weapon to stop the invaders but not be a threat to homes across the street?

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 02:12 PM (l513m)

Rooftop Koreans.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at November 11, 2018 03:00 PM (nvMvs)

197 As I said, lesson is don't live in DC or any other blue State with insane gun control laws and policies. And NJ falls under that category.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 03:00 PM (mpXpK)

198 >>>But DC is not a State and is ran by corrupt Democrats. No sane person would live there.

Tucker may be house hunting in Virginia, soon.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:00 PM (l513m)

199 67 OT but the start of the recount in Broward has been delayed several hours today because the machines have been unable to pass basic logic tests and zero out.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 11, 2018 02:13 PM (rnXGe)

The votes should be invalidated and thrown out, not counted.

Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 03:00 PM (kiSdp)

200 I'd rather avoid all of that if I were in Mrs. TuCa's situation and wait until the door was open / off the hinges before resorting to deadly force.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (GBteo)

Sitting here now, that would be my approach as well.

What I'd do in real life, I don't know. I hope it would be above.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 03:01 PM (YqDXo)

201 This is one reason we have no thought of leaving SW VA, even though the state has gone blue.
No jury here would convict me if I pulled a Biden in this case.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2018 03:01 PM (Rxduq)

202 I have always worried about the dogs. If someone breaks in, they have always been welcoming to people -- but I don't know what they would do if someone tried to leave unless one of us was home.

How much liability would I have if one of them decided that someone leaving should be held for a while rather than just walking out with whatever valuables (don't laugh). That is an ongoing worry with big dogs because they are friendly and welcoming but if I am not home; don't know what they would do.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 11, 2018 03:01 PM (MIKMs)

203 I also hope I never have to use deadly force but I've gamed played most situations in my head and what I will do. Of course, it's just a tool. You don't know exactly how you react but at least you have a plan that may help. He who hesitates .
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (CqhDV)

Yeah, it's one thing to say what we'd do while sitting around on the computer, having had time to see the facts and knowing what was going on.

It's another thing to see how we'd react in a real situation, with nerves and adrenaline, and a million unknowns and whatnot.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:02 PM (GBteo)

204
61 Yeah, it sounds like she would've been OK in criminal court, but they still may have had pretty big exposure in civil court.

I'm guessing the intruder or family thereof would have been paid off elsewhere. Otherwise discovery could and probably would lead to counter-suits and/or charges against everyone who had a hand in organizing the "event.

Posted by: The Thumbs of Opposition at November 11, 2018 03:02 PM (O74hG)

205 The whole point of what is supposed to be George Soross supported takeover of DA's around the country is to control who does and doesn't get convicted.
Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2018 02:11 PM (T4oHT)

Soros is in his late 80s. Are his sons running the operation now?
Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (kiSdp)

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Yeah, he has kids and probably grand/great grandkids by now. He has also put the bulk of his fortune into his Open Society foundation, about $14 billion I think.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 03:03 PM (I16G8)

206 This is not getting my book read.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2018 03:03 PM (mpXpK)

207 >>>but I think there is still the matter of what constitutes 'entering'

crossing the threshold?

Posted by: concrete girl at November 11, 2018 03:03 PM (9ORmh)

208 It's another thing to see how we'd react in a real situation, with nerves and adrenaline, and a million unknowns and whatnot.

For untrained civilians, I expect the average reaction would be a big shart in the PJs and a wild first shot nowhere near the assailants.

Although a wild shot would at least scare most cowardly bullies off the premises.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 11, 2018 03:04 PM (ykYG2)

209 DC is hostile to 2nd Amd. Civil Rights--that is where Heller was decided. And chock full of Hanging Juries for Republicans only. So it's a good thing for Mrs. Carlson that she didn't give them what they deserve.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 11, 2018 03:04 PM (Ndje9)

210 No jury here would convict me if I pulled a Biden in this case.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2018 03:01 PM (Rxduq)

I hereby christen a new verb: to biden someone.

As in, we're discussing whether Mrs. Carlson should have bidened those a-holes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 03:04 PM (Ibwur)

211 "Soros" is a good name to use even if he is not directly involved. He probably did set the tone of anarchy, and funded it ... but others are carrying the ball now (I'd suppose). But using "Soros" personalizes it ... and relates it to his long history ... around the world even. (and he looks evil)

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2018 03:05 PM (Cus5s)

212 TuCa is worth about $11million, and Mrs. TuCa is an heir to the Swanson Foods fortune.

Then I am shocked that they don't already have 24 hr armed security. I would have.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 03:05 PM (yQpMk)

213 If I was on that jury I would vote that a physical crack in the door counts as a breach. Not Guilty.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 11, 2018 03:06 PM (ykYG2)

214 I hereby christen a new verb: to biden someone.

It could have at least two definitions:

1. To unload a 12 gauge into a closed door.

2. To fondle one's wife and sniff her hair.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 11, 2018 03:06 PM (TI8Od)

215 Ding Ding Ding!
We have a winner!
Shooting paper targets at a nice friendly range is a lot different than being awakened at 3:00am by somebody trying to kick the door in. Any athlete understands how adrenaline and nerves and excitement and fear change simple physical acts into something quite different. It would behoove anyone who has a weapon at home for defense to try to understand this...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (wYseH)

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I find it strange that the ranges around here will not allow practicing drawing and firing. I had to find private land to do that.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 03:06 PM (I16G8)

216 Thanks for the post, man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 03:07 PM (xJa6I)

217 Here in NJ, I am probably fucked no matter what I do

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 03:07 PM (Fh8wK)

218 The votes should be invalidated and thrown out, not counted.
Posted by: clutch at November 11, 2018 03:00 PM (kiSdp)

Added benefit: it would punish the Reds for monkeying with the process, because throwing out those votes would hurt their candidate(s).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 03:07 PM (Ibwur)

219 Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2018 02:39 PM

I hate to be that bitch, but if I am about to be attacked by a mob, I am letting loose with whatever I got.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 11, 2018 03:07 PM (90KoH)

220 I find it strange that the ranges around here will not allow practicing drawing and firing. I had to find private land to do that.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 03:06 PM (I16G

My range allows it, but not cross draws.

::shrug::

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:07 PM (GBteo)

221 TuCa is worth about $11million, and Mrs. TuCa is an heir to the Swanson Foods fortune.

It's TuCa's stepmother who is a Swanson.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:08 PM (fuK7c)

222 Considering that the C's lived in a neighborhood and there were homes across the street from theirs what would have been the appropriate weapon to stop the invaders but not be a threat to homes across the street?

Flame Fougasse.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 03:08 PM (yQpMk)

223 If I was on that jury I would vote that a physical crack in the door counts as a breach. Not Guilty.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 11, 2018 03:06 PM (ykYG2)

Yup. Even the front door of my cheap-ass house would not crack easily. I imagine the front door on Carlson's house is far more solid. I would consider that an earnest attempt to gain entry.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 11, 2018 03:08 PM (TI8Od)

224 If I was on that jury I would vote that a physical crack in the door counts as a breach. Not Guilty.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 11, 2018 03:06 PM (ykYG2)

I don't think there would even be an indictment.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 03:08 PM (CqhDV)

225 It's TuCa's stepmother who is a Swanson.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:08 PM (fuK7c)

So is there like a conservative discount for frozen meals? Asking for a friend

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 03:08 PM (Fh8wK)

226 Here in NJ, I am probably fucked no matter what I do

*sigh*

Posted by: maria from the dominican republic at November 11, 2018 03:09 PM (ykYG2)

227
Then I am shocked that they don't already have 24 hr armed security.

My PROPERTY and INCOME TAXES provide such a service.

No, not really.

But our local police department and our state police departments should be doing this.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at November 11, 2018 03:09 PM (iC81c)

228 Yup. Even the front door of my cheap-ass house would not crack easily. I imagine the front door on Carlson's house is far more solid. I would consider that an earnest attempt to gain entry.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 11, 2018 03:08 PM (TI8Od)

If they had a solid wood door and THAT cracked, then yeah.

That would take a lottt of force to do.

If she just heard the cheap shitty 2x3 door framing crack (at the striker panel, maybe), eh...

I mean, again, that's all hindsight being 20/20. I'm sure just hearing wood cracking in that scenario is terrifying.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:09 PM (GBteo)

229 Fellow Morons, please very carefully study your individual state's Castle Defense rules.

My middle son was living with his girlfriend (now wife) in an apartment in Grand Island, NE. The girl friend had taken out a protection order against her former boyfriend. One night, the ex got drunk and tried to kick in the apartment door. The girl friend was on the phone calling the cops as the ex's attempts escalated. Finally, afraid the ex would break down the door and actually harm someone, my son opened the door, stepped into the hallway, and took a good shot at the ex's nose.

When the cops showed up, it turned out that Nebraska has no Castle Defense law. In order for my son to have popped the other guy legally, he, his girl friend, and the girl friend's little girl would have had to retreat back through the entire apartment and hidden in the furthest closet. Only then, if the ex was still threatening them, could my son have punched him.I

On the other hand, the cops did their best to talk the ex out of filing a charge against my son. They kept telling the ex it was a really bad idea, but he insisted. So the cops wrote up the slightest charge they could against my son, then turned around, arrested the ex for not obeying the defense order, everything else they could possibly think of, and dragged him off to the clink for a few days. I think the whole thing ended with my son paying a tiny fine and the ex having the book thrown at him.

The point is -- everyone one in the family was shocked as all get out to discover Nebraska had no Castle Law. So please, if you're not sure, find out how the Castle Law works in your state.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at November 11, 2018 03:09 PM (Htagf)

230 TuCa is worth about $11million, and Mrs. TuCa is an heir to the Swanson Foods fortune.

Then I am shocked that they don't already have 24 hr armed security. I would have.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 03:05 PM (yQpMk)

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Me too, but I'd bet they have them now.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 03:09 PM (I16G8)

231 So is there like a conservative discount for frozen meals? Asking for a friend

Dude, my real name is Powers and do you think I get a family discount on the Irish whiskey?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:10 PM (fuK7c)

232 FOX should be paying for Tucker's security now. Around the clock armed and dangerous guards

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 03:10 PM (Fh8wK)

233 Perhaps we can all agree that these Brownshirt fuckers all should be fed into a wood chipper.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2018 03:10 PM (NWiLs)

234 I find it strange that the ranges around here will
not allow practicing drawing and firing. I had to find private land to
do that.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 03:06 PM (I16G

https://youtu.be/rHjPNqP0E-0?t=18

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 03:10 PM (wYseH)

235 If you have someone breaking down your door, you do not shoot him or her until you can see him or her. You should not shoot though the door when you cannot see the perp. Once they go through the doorway take them out. Then it is a clear cut case of home invasion.
When you shoot outside your house, you better have a good reason to do so. Unfortunately, it is up to the prosecutor to run with the case or not. If they think that they will get an easy conviction, it's a feather in their cap. If it is an uphill battle for a conviction, then the prosecutor will bag the case.

Posted by: Alaska Paul at November 11, 2018 03:11 PM (xuCL+)

236

btw, that, to me, is the big takeaway from this:

The local police Suck Major Dick.
At every single leftist mob protest, these dickhead cocksuckers have allowed the leftist democrat-party mobs to do whatever they wanted.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at November 11, 2018 03:11 PM (iC81c)

237 I find it strange that the ranges around here will not allow practicing drawing and firing.

The problem with most pistol ranges is that you cannot practice real situations, firing from the hip, firing while retreating or advancing, firing from a knee, etc. This is a safety issue for others who might be on the firing line.

So yeah, a private area is really the best *and* I'm hiding behind a tree while you practice.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 03:11 PM (yQpMk)

238 Notice the country club harasser clearly had the opportunity to cast his bile right at Tucker at his table, but waited until the least threatening member of the party was away from the pack. Pussy.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 11, 2018 03:11 PM (TXOkZ)

239 Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at November 11, 2018 03:09 PM (Htagf)

Yeah, this is really important.

A simple assault charge for punching someone is one thing, but imagine if he had shot him and killed him in what most of us would consider self defense, but what the law would consider murder?

...And it probably wasn't the lack of castle doctrine that got him, it was the opening the door and going in to the hallway.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:11 PM (GBteo)

240 find it strange that the ranges around here will
not allow practicing drawing and firing. I had to find private land to
do that.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 03:06 P

It's all the firing and then drawing that causes them to restrict it.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 03:11 PM (CqhDV)

241 Here in NJ, I am probably fucked no matter what I do

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 03:07 PM (Fh8wK)

Not quite, but it isn't wonderful.

Read his book....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 03:12 PM (wYseH)

242 Dude, my real name is Powers and do you think I get a family discount on the Irish whiskey?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:10 PM (fuK7c)

Yes can i have a case for Christmas?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 03:12 PM (Fh8wK)

243
I'd also make the further argument that a shot to the head or chest causing immediate death is placing your assets in jeopardy. Shoot the lower intestines. All that loosened fecal material? A couple slow but very painful days to die. The hospital pays half when you argue they're responsible for the death.

Better class of trailer park to live out your life.

/ tongue in cheek

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 03:12 PM (URwyc)

244

But when I go to work at 0530 every morning I got the police cocksucker hiding in his cruiser to catch me speeding a 1/2 mile from my house/

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at November 11, 2018 03:12 PM (iC81c)

245 Have the rioters been arrested? Has their paymaster been arrested?
Why not?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:13 PM (+DkQm)

246 It's TuCa's stepmother who is a Swanson.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:08 PM (fuK7c)

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Thanks. I had that wrong.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 03:13 PM (I16G8)

247 Any athlete understands how adrenaline and nerves and excitement and fear change simple physical acts into something quite different. It would behoove anyone who has a weapon at home for defense to try to understand this...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 02:58 PM (wYseH)

Thanks for your kind comment.

To see how adrenaline and nerves and excitement affect even seasoned professional athletes one need only look at pitching in the playoffs and World Series. Guys who'd racked up 200 innings in the regular season without batting an eyelash were so amped in the post-season that they were obviously overthrowing and yanking throws, and consequently uncorking wild pitches left and right.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 03:13 PM (xSo9G)

248 Not quite, but it isn't wonderful.
Read his book....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2018 03:12 PM (wYseH)

Ah I am lazy. In a pinch I have your cell number. I will call you and ask you what I should do as I take off the safety

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 03:13 PM (Fh8wK)

249 Don't be stupid. After our second Haitian -American 4 minute kick in the door smash and grab at our home in Miami Shores, we changed to a open-out front door. You can laugh, act stupid, or listen to Vic.
But I'm betting you continue to sound stupid. Oh well. You have been told. The perps drive the neighborhood looking for circular drives with inward - opening front doors.
Ask a cop. If you wish, I personally don't talk to cops.

Posted by: Yor, the Hunter from the Future at November 11, 2018 03:15 PM (Jj+59)

250 Ok.

Don't shoot through the door. Remember the firearms safety rule: always know your target and what is beyond. Can't do that with the door closed.

Once the door is busted down, well, use the first scene from Star Wars as inspiration. There's a choke point there, you are ready and the intruder(s) are not. Easy to say on the Internet, but aim at the door and when it falls, there's your cue. Keep your nerve.

My opinion - not a good idea to retreat and hide just to satisfy some theoretical legal argument. You know your home, you know the best places to set up, so do it.

But yeah, someone kicking your door down pretty well takes care of the reasonable person rule. Your main concern is not legalities here - it's defending yourself.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at November 11, 2018 03:16 PM (Uiz/V)

251 Posted by: Yor, the Hunter from the Future at November 11, 2018 03:15 PM (Jj+59)

I don't think anyone is laughing or acting stupid, I think people are saying that given that most residential doors open inwards (and many people have screen / storm doors that open outwards), there are cheap ways to make your inward opening door safer.

Yes, an outward-opening steel door, with steel framing for the door frame and house framing, attached with high tolerance machined bolts, is going to be much stronger than your standard home depot residential front door no matter what you do to it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:18 PM (GBteo)

252 I have a home defense routine that I practice every couple of months, like a fire drill.

Okay, left to my own devices, I wouldn't, but Mr. DeV insists that I do so. (He used to travel out of town fairly often when the kids were young, which is why we developed it.)

I do think you have a better chance of responding rationally and effectively if you go through regular drills.
But then, I haven't been tested --- thank heaven.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2018 03:18 PM (Rxduq)

253 Discipline under the rush of adrenaline is difficult to simulate. That's why gymnasts are the most skilled athletes on the planet.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 03:18 PM (PkVlr)

254 IMO, if you have to pull your pistol, the shooting is more likely to take place at arms reach than at 7 yards. That's why you need to practice firing as soon as the gun clears the holster before you can bring the weapon up to your armpit and then out if necessary.

I see people at the range working to be accurate at 50+ feet with their handguns and I always think that if the threat is 50+ feet away, I'm running for it, or at least seeking cover.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 03:18 PM (yQpMk)

255 Of course, can you legally keep a firearm in your home in DC?
Posted by: Aviator at November 11, 2018 01:50 PM (2cuLk)

Yes, even before Heller you could. However, it must have a trigger lock, be unloaded and kept in a separate room from the ammo, IIRC.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 03:19 PM (EbOpT)

256 Mt experience in Seattle, and why I moved eadt of the mountains. I was alone, my partner having passed. One night I'm awakened by the motion detector lights going on. My first thought was raccoons or coyotes in the garbage.
Looked out a window and saw a car in the drive lights on engine off. The neighborhood had had some home invasions recently. I picked up my pistol and called 911. Told the operator what was happening. She asked If I was armed, yes, with what? A pistol. Is it loadedf? Yes. I told her that I was not going to yell out a window, not going outside to confront anyone. If they broke into my car, I have insurance. I told her that it was an old house with no rear exit and that if anyone broke in I had no where to go.
Officers arrived finally but the car and intruders were gone. The operator stayed with me throughout and the officers did not come in for an interview.
There is a green space across the street. No sidewalks. I checked the drainage ditch in the morning to make sure no bodies were dumped. Moved out and have been happier since. Safer also.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 11, 2018 03:19 PM (+TuXx)

257 What about pepper spray ejectors in your front door?

Good for Annoying solicators also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 03:19 PM (Fh8wK)

258 If I was on that jury I would vote that a physical crack in the door counts as a breach. Not Guilty.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 11, 2018 03:06 PM (ykYG2)

I don't think there would even be an indictment.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 03:08 PM (CqhDV)

Except that this is ground zero for the Swamp and TC is a bad thinker. They might just put him through the wringer even if no jury will convict.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at November 11, 2018 03:20 PM (3sjI6)

259 Have the rioters been arrested? Has their paymaster been arrested?
Why not?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:13 PM (+DkQm)

It's DC, that's all I need to say.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 03:20 PM (EbOpT)

260 Yes, even before Heller you could. However, it must have a trigger lock, be unloaded and kept in a separate room from the ammo, IIRC.
Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 03:19 PM (EbOpT)

Am I the only one who has a hell of a time getting trigger locks off?

...And getting boxes of ammo open?

I'd be fucked if under stress I had to get a trigger lock off, go in to another room, grab ammo, load a magazine, etc.

I'd probably skip the gun and just reach for a baseball bat.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:20 PM (GBteo)

261 Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at November 11, 2018 03:16 PM (Uiz/V)

I say in this cas she knew who was trying to kick her door in. She was lucky and the thugs were lucky. This time it turned out with neither party harmed. Next time?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 03:21 PM (CqhDV)

262 Am I the only one who has a hell of a time getting trigger locks off?

What's a trigger lock?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 03:22 PM (CqhDV)

263 But its Federal Law, which everyone knows is dependent on what your identity is.

Republican
White
Citizen

Means she would have the full force of the government trying to prosecute her.

Now, if she was an ethic female Lesbian illegal immigrant? Hell, they'd probably give her a medal.

Posted by: Don Q. at November 11, 2018 03:22 PM (NgKpN)

264 >>>Yes, even before Heller you could. However, it must have a trigger lock, be unloaded and kept in a separate room from the ammo, IIRC.
Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 03:19 PM (EbOpT)

There is a scene in "Pink Cadillac" that addresses this problem.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:23 PM (l513m)

265 BTW -- I have the screens set up on my windows to be on top. Solicitors of various types are quite intimidated by the big dogs and I crack the windows to talk through the screen at the top. So far, it has worked and I haven't had to do the annual screen replacements which cost a bundle.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 11, 2018 03:23 PM (MIKMs)

266 https://wapo.st/2RQx9O4
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Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 11, 2018 03:24 PM (+om3e)

267 I don't have kids at home, so every gun is loaded...which all guns are, always anyway.

I've had a few midnight knocks that got the blood pumping. No drama past that, but I have 'cleared' my house more than once.

The more you do it, the easier it gets. The first time I wandered my house with a loaded pistol, I was shaking pretty hard.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 03:24 PM (xJa6I)

268 Let's ignore the law for a minute.
If someone attempts to break into your house - they are intent on committing a crime. Especially in this case clearly to do violence upon the people in the house - the attackers knew their were people inside and were not intent upon theft.

Lethal force is *clearly* the appropriate response here.

Now go back to the law...why is this not an open and shut case - if TuCa's wife pulled out a gun and started shooting through the door, as long as the miscreants aren't fleeing how is she NOT within her rights to do so?

What the hell is the point of government if it is used to arrest/harass people defending themselves?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:25 PM (+DkQm)

269 I'd be fucked if under stress I had to get a trigger lock off, go in to another room, grab ammo, load a magazine, etc.

I'd probably skip the gun and just reach for a baseball bat.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:20 PM (GBteo)

I hear ya. I don't have a gun, but I do have my younger son's old T-ball bat, which is perfect. It's two feet long, aluminum (so light), easily swung with just one hand, and would be deadly swung two-handed.

I once jokingly hit a baseball off a tee with it, and actually inadvertently dented the aluminum. You can swing it that hard.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 03:25 PM (CDGwz)

270 http://bit.ly/2RQxfoU
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Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 11, 2018 03:25 PM (+om3e)

271 However, it must have a trigger lock, be unloaded and kept in a separate room from the ammo, IIRC.

That's how I keep mine and will until/unless I get a safe. I would like a good ten minutes' warning of any coming insurrections.

Meanwhile, all of the steel door 6" screws that face outward advice presumes that you are a target. To me one of the best luxuries is living in a place where you don't even have to lock your door.

I say this as an internet rando. No one has any reason to come after me. TuCa is a target based on who he is.

For the most part most of us don't have to go through life in a defensive crouch.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:26 PM (fuK7c)

272

Couldn't the DOJ turn around and prosecute the local cops if they decided to charge TuCa's wife for defending herself - for violating her civil rights.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:27 PM (+DkQm)

273 >>>I have 'cleared' my house more than once.

I let the dogs go in first to the words of "get 'em".

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:27 PM (l513m)

274 So what's that make the rest of us?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 11, 2018 02:28 PM (0tfLf)

---
out standing in our fields?

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (Dagiw)

275 http://bit.ly/2RQxfoU
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REMINDER FOR THE UNAWARE:

Fulton County=Atlanta

Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (EbOpT)

276 Now go back to the law...why is this not an open and shut case - if TuCa's wife pulled out a gun and started shooting through the door, as long as the miscreants aren't fleeing how is she NOT within her rights to do so?

What the hell is the point of government if it is used to arrest/harass people defending themselves?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:25 PM (+DkQm)

I'm frankly generally okay with the framework of self defense laws. It shouldn't be THAT easy to claim self defense, because there will always be a lot of borderline cases where's it's like "ehhh... he kind of set up that entire scenario just to kill a guy he hated."

You don't want a clever potential murderer to be able to use self defense laws to kill people, you know?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (GBteo)

277 I'd be fucked if under stress I had to get a trigger lock off, go in to another room, grab ammo, load a magazine, etc.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:20 PM (GBteo)

For this reason, I think a gun would be more useful in a civil unrest situation than a late-night intruder.

A friend living in Pasadena during the last riot was shocked to find the dindus were raising hell only a mile away, having taken the subway out from the armpits in which they normally live.

Now THERE'S a situation where you'd have plenty of time to arm up and wait, just in case the dindus decide to drop in.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (CDGwz)

278 I'd probably skip the gun and just reach for a baseball bat.

I think that a spear is an oft overlooked option for home defense.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (yQpMk)

279 Since this happened at night, applicable penal code sections that could apply.

Sec 9-42 DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY
A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41 and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime.
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What is criminal mischief?
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Sec 28-03 CRIMINAL MISCHIEF
A person commits an offense if, without the effective consent of the owner
(1) he intentionally or knowingly damages or destroys the tangible property of the owner

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Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (+bKWx)

280 Couldn't the DOJ turn around and prosecute the local cops if they
decided to charge TuCa's wife for defending herself - for violating her
civil rights.
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Posted by: mustbequantum at November 11, 2018 03:29 PM (MIKMs)

281 https://wapo.st/2RQx9O4
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I'm very surprised WaPo ran that story. Good analysis though.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 03:29 PM (I16G8)

282 Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (+bKWx)

Texas lives by different rules then the rest of us, haha

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:30 PM (GBteo)

283 beat them down with your superior intellect and logic...

WORKS EVERY TIME.

Posted by: saf at November 11, 2018 03:30 PM (5IHGB)

284 #279 was for Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:30 PM (+bKWx)

285 You know why the Ole Vermonter always had carpenters putty on hand? To plug the drafty bullet holes in the front door.

Posted by: FLaVrT at November 11, 2018 03:30 PM (ru6DH)

286 I think that a spear is an oft overlooked option for home defense.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (yQpMk)

Maces are too.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 03:31 PM (EbOpT)

287 BOMBSHELL: Fulton County Numbers Show Massive Duplicate Ballots, Rejected Ballots, Non-Citizens Trying To Vote - Big League Politics
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REMINDER FOR THE UNAWARE:

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Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (EbOpT)

Lessee, electoral fraud, rampant crime, gang shootings, welfare recipients, low high school graduation rates ... is that about right?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 03:31 PM (CDGwz)

288 Texas lives by different rules then the rest of us, haha
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

I'm not legally trained. But am I reading that correctly?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:31 PM (+bKWx)

289 >>>Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (+bKWx)

Is this DC law?

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:32 PM (l513m)

290 https://lawselfdefense.org/book-vsl24503244-780

Best $33 you'll spend this year. No joke

Posted by: RedEchos at November 11, 2018 03:32 PM (lokiW)

291 And if she had killed one of the, the rest would likely have been able to be convicted of felony murder.

Posted by: Kris at November 11, 2018 03:32 PM (ihVYB)

292 BOMBSHELL: Fulton County Numbers Show Massive Duplicate Ballots, Rejected Ballots, Non-Citizens Trying To Vote - Big League Politics
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REMINDER FOR THE UNAWARE:

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Posted by: Surfperch

The governor want to be's sister is the judge she ran to.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:33 PM (+bKWx)

293 1) he intentionally or knowingly damages or destroys the tangible property of the owner

Does vandalizing a car count?

Posted by: Fox2! at November 11, 2018 03:33 PM (MwFQu)

294 I'm not legally trained. But am I reading that correctly?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:31 PM (+bKWx)

I don't know tx criminal law, but as I said the other day, I remember TX always being an asterisks when talking about stuff like this.

I bet if you buy Andrews book, the answer lies in there.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:33 PM (GBteo)

295 Now go back to the law...why is this not an open and shut case - if TuCa's wife pulled out a gun and started shooting through the door, as long as the miscreants aren't fleeing how is she NOT within her rights to do so?

What the hell is the point of government if it is used to arrest/harass people defending themselves?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:25 PM (+DkQm)

Now suppose a cop (or a good Samaritan) has pushed his way through the mob to protect her/the house and is standing outside the door when she blasts.

THAT'S the problem.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 03:33 PM (CDGwz)

296 Is this DC law?
Posted by: Bernie

Texas. Move here. We need all the Morons we can get.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:33 PM (+bKWx)

297 An "friend" posted on FB: Share if you "stand with Jim Acosta" and I posted:

Nevergiveup: He is an obnoxious rude SOB. Should have had his credentials yanked long ago.

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Gina
Gina janet, who is this moron you are friends with?

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Nevergiveup: Apparently a nicer person than you, who know nothing about me but still seem able to comment on me. But then someone like you thinks anyone who disagrees with you is a moron or a deplorable. Why that's just so progressive of you.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 03:34 PM (Fh8wK)

298 293 1) he intentionally or knowingly damages or destroys the tangible property of the owner

Does vandalizing a car count?
Posted by: Fox2! at November 11, 2018 03:33 PM (MwFQu)

So, IIRC, there was a case in TX where a homeowner shot two illegals in the back after he caught them breaking in to his shed or something and it was legally justified.

I don't really remember the details of the case, but I remember being really surprised and mentally noting that You Don't Mess with Texas.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:35 PM (GBteo)

299 You don't want a clever potential murderer to be able to use self defense laws to kill people, you know?
***

Ummm....By that standard you end up with CA/NY/MA laws.
I am not at all concerned if someone Angela Lansburying a scenario where they convince someone to break into their house and then shoot them.

I am concerned about people going to jail shooting home intruder bent on committing a crime...which does happen.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:36 PM (+DkQm)

300 LikeShow more reactions Reply 2h
Gina
Gina janet, who is this moron you are friends with?

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Nevergiveup: Apparently a nicer person than you, who know nothing about me but still seem able to comment on me. But then someone like you thinks anyone who disagrees with you is a moron or a deplorable. Why that's just so progressive of you.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 11, 2018 03:34 PM (Fh8wK)

Use psychic ju-jitsu on 'em.

"Oh, so you support violence against women? Why do you hate women? You ARE a woman? Nothing worse than self-hating women!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2018 03:36 PM (CDGwz)

301 It appears that in Texas the get off my lawn law is fully defended and in favor of the owner.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:36 PM (l513m)

302 1) he intentionally or knowingly damages or destroys the tangible property of the owner

Does vandalizing a car count?
Posted by: Fox2!

The way I read it, tagging a wooden privacy fence counts as criminal mischief at night.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:36 PM (+bKWx)

303 ...I think that TX case took place at night, too.

I'm wracking my brain here trying to think of a case name or other details, I may be misstating the fact pattern. But it was used as an example of wildly the laws can vary between jurisdictions.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:37 PM (GBteo)

304 Now suppose a cop (or a good Samaritan) has pushed his way through the
mob to protect her/the house and is standing outside the door when she
blasts.

***

You then arrest the home invaders for murder.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:37 PM (+DkQm)

305 I'm not a lawyer but until someone is in the house, and your life is in imminent danger, I don't think you can start shooting.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 11, 2018 03:37 PM (vdO5k)

306
Now go back to the law...why is this not an open and shut case - if TuCa's wife pulled out a gun and started shooting through the door, as long as the miscreants aren't fleeing how is she NOT within her rights to do so?

What the hell is the point of government if it is used to arrest/harass people defending themselves?
Posted by: 18-1

Assuming the door isn't glass and the entirety of the area in front of it isn't lit well, she can't identify who is attempting to break in.

Know your target and what's beyond.

What's beyond the 'suspect'? Random onlookers who aren't attempting to break in? The neighbors across the street looking out their window at the commotion?

Here's a scenario:

Crowd outside chanting and throwing stuff at the house. Ms. calls the cops but in the meantime a beat cop seeing the crowd walks up just in time to hear the call on the radio.

The dispatcher tell Ms. that their are on the way without telling her the cop is right outside. Cop shuffles past the crowd and knocks on the door. At the same time someone in the crowd throws a rock that lands with a 'crack' on the door. Ms. is a bit excited and the knocks sound louder than they are, almost as if someone is trying to break in and the door is cracking.

BOOM BOOM. Dead cop.

There's a good reason why you don't shoot through a door.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 11, 2018 03:37 PM (aPsQQ)

307 I am concerned about people going to jail shooting home intruder bent on committing a crime...which does happen.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:36 PM (+DkQm)

Yep, happens pretty regularly.

Which is why I'd urge everyone use caution if, god forbid, you're ever in a shoot or no shoot self defense situation.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:38 PM (GBteo)

308 I have been in a house with a crazy ex husband and 2 crazy huge men trying to break down the door (small door with 3 small windows at the top). I am on the phone calmly trying to tell 911 my address, the 911 person was freaking because she could hear the door breaking down, and my now husband trying to hold the windows back as they are being pushed in. I promise you, had we been armed we would have shot. This was in Maryland and we probably would have gone to jail even though we were terrified. My 8 year old son (his father breaking down the door) hiding under the bed, after that he slept with his bedroom lights on until well in his teens. Unless you experience the terror you can't imagine it. We live in NC now and are armed.

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (YuQLm)

309 ...and a social good by American citizens generally.

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Umm, hell yes.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (EZebt)

310 This was said by someone else but I agree with their thoughts on the legality of self defense.

"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

Posted by: The Walking Dude at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (cCxiu)

311 Yeah, once the door starts to fail, I suppose you're in better legal territory -- but I personally would wait for the door to fail all the way, not just "crack" if I could.

But hopefully hearing from the God of Self Defense settles the "if I see a crowd on my lawn I'm blastin 'em" crowd down a bit.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 02:22 PM (GBteo)

You always play the concern troll in these matters.

You claim sanctuary cities are ok because the Federal government has no right to interfere (even though an illegal infiltration is a Federal issue).

You claim that defending our borders against an invasion by illegals would violate the principle of posse comitatus, as if the Federally justified use of force to repel an invasion could be counteracted by a hypothetical claim by a state, which would have nothing to do with the principle that only has reference to enforcement *within* the state, not with foreign invasion.

Now, you're trying to claim that people have no right to defend their own property.

You are just a leftist concern troll. You defend these idiotic positions and never offer the slightest justification for doing so. You just assert these idiotic opinions that are helpful towards your leftist views.

Posted by: Brenda Snipes at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (/qEW2)

312 Repo-man killed in Texas and home owner no-billed was mentioned here yesterday.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (l513m)

313 She has a "Pantry" Antifa is anti pantry anti pasta and all that fascist shit.

Posted by: saf at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (5IHGB)

314 Is one of the emanations or penumbras a civil right to be left alone? Semi-snarky, but honest question.

***

Allowing a mob to attack people because of their use of their first amendment rights seems a much clear violation of civil rights then gerrymandering their voting district...no? How often does the federal government get involved in the latter?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (+DkQm)

315 Florida is getting national attention. But there was massive fraud all over. Dems stole at least 3 CA seats and definitely stole GA6.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 11, 2018 03:40 PM (vdO5k)

316 You are just a leftist concern troll. You defend these idiotic positions and never offer the slightest justification for doing so. You just assert these idiotic opinions that are helpful towards your leftist views.
Posted by: Brenda Snipes at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (/qEW2)

Concern status:

NOTED.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:40 PM (GBteo)

317
If you want to see classic Tribalism, look no further than Facebook.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at November 11, 2018 03:41 PM (iC81c)

318 http://bit.ly/2RQxfoU

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Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 11, 2018 03:25 PM (+om3e)

REMINDER FOR THE UNAWARE:

Fulton County=Atlanta

Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2018 03:28 PM (EbOpT)

Now the police need to arrest 1811 citizens who double voted and the three illegal aliens who voted provisionally and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law... no plea bargains allowed. Throw all of them in prison for the maximum sentence and then immediately deport the illegals. This fraud will never stop until it is harshly punished.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2018 03:42 PM (F/KeJ)

319 317

FB is societal poison. As is all social media.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 11, 2018 03:42 PM (vdO5k)

320 You are just a leftist concern troll. ...

Posted by: Brenda Snipes at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (/qEW2)

Did you mean to attack a regular moron with a sock on, Steve and Cold Bear?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:43 PM (fuK7c)

321 Further, it's worth keeping in mind that the burden on this issue is on the prosecutor, not the defender. That is, the defender need not prove that they were reasonably in such fear, and thus justified in killing the apparent intruder. The defender must merely reasonably assert that they were in such fear, which is certainly supportable on these facts, at which point the burden shifts to the prosecutor to disprove the claim beyond a reasonable doubt, and to do so to a unanimous jury.

There is no burden on the prosecutor, at all. None.

The punishment sought by the prosecutor is merely the trial, aggravation, anxiety, and cost of defense to the defendant. That, the prosecutor gets free, without having to prove anything to anyone. And that is what the prosecutor is using to intimidate the rest of the population into not even thinking of trying to defend their own property and persons in the future.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 03:43 PM (KEr/t)

322 Scott files to have the votes tabulated after the Saturday deadline be excluded from the count and seperately files for FDLE and Broward police to impound ballots and voting machines.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2018 03:44 PM (fYi9j)

323 I'm not a lawyer but until someone is in the house, and your life is in imminent danger, I don't think you can start shooting.
***

There is a mob outside.

They are chanting you need to die.

They began to break down your front door.

Are they armed? You don't know. But you do know a large number of people are about to burst through the front door.

Why the hell should you have to wait to allow them to swarm you before you shoot?

There should be *no* requirement that a citizen knew exactly the details of what their attackers possess, what their attackers will do to them, and if there is some way to escape. It is idiotic to presume otherwise - hell we in theory train cops for years to be able to deal with this sort of situation and they screw up too - and almost never go to jail for it.

The responsibility a civilian has here shouldn't be more then it is for a cop.

You break into someone's house...or clearly attempt to...anything that happens is ethically on you...and the law should reflect that as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2018 03:44 PM (+DkQm)

324
Yeah, I'm sure Steve did that as "Brenda Snipes" on purpose.

Because it sure didn't make him look silly.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at November 11, 2018 03:45 PM (iC81c)

325 >>>Did you mean to attack a regular moron with a sock on, Steve and Cold Bear?

Jeeeepers, how can one know such things?

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:45 PM (l513m)

326 Just had a very nice weekend visit with cousin I haven't seen since a kid. Mormon, so no drinking. But, what fun. Deplorable, conservative, pro 2nd and involved Trump supporter. I was sorta shocked. She asked if I ever read the Conservative Tree house. Heh, I said the Last Refuge? We had a very nice time. Almost spilled the beans about AoSHQ. I might next time we talk.

Posted by: Infidel at November 11, 2018 03:45 PM (2na8x)

327 There is no burden on the prosecutor, at all. None.

The punishment sought by the prosecutor is merely the trial, aggravation, anxiety, and cost of defense to the defendant. That, the prosecutor gets free, without having to prove anything to anyone. And that is what the prosecutor is using to intimidate the rest of the population into not even thinking of trying to defend their own property and persons in the future.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 03:43 PM (KEr/t)

He meant legal burden of proof, but your point is well-taken.

Prosecutor works his 9-5 and goes home every night to his wife and kids, no worries.

If you're the defendant, you have to live in constant fear of being found guilty, the financial burden of hiring an attorney, the horrible realization and humiliation of sitting in the defendants seat ...

It's best to avoid that scenario if possible.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:45 PM (GBteo)

328 Time to use the Peter Blunt system of legal council me thinks.. fire/fire

https://tinyurl.com/y8u7zf2b

Posted by: sOME mORON at November 11, 2018 03:46 PM (ICWiF)

329 Jeeeepers, how can one know such things?
Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:45 PM (l513m)

You can google anyones hash, and it usually shows up.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:46 PM (GBteo)

330
Nothing worse than trying to make a serious point while using a silly sockpuppet.

Posted by: Pee Wee Herman at November 11, 2018 03:47 PM (iC81c)

331 Did you mean to attack a regular moron with a sock on, Steve and Cold Bear?

Jeeeepers, how can one know such things?
Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:45 PM (l513m)

Check the very last thing in the line after posted by.
That's your "hash". You can change your name, but the hash will stay the same.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2018 03:47 PM (+bKWx)

332 330
Nothing worse than trying to make a serious point while using a silly sockpuppet.
Posted by: Pee Wee Herman at November 11, 2018 03:47 PM (iC81c)

Haha

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:48 PM (GBteo)

333 All the farmers around here have AR-15s or shotguns in their tractors.

A trespasser got killed by a farmer west of Topeka. He used a shotgun. No charges.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 03:48 PM (hyuyC)

334 >>>Scott files to have the votes tabulated after the Saturday deadline be excluded from the count and seperately files for FDLE and Broward police to impound ballots and voting machines.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2018 03:44 PM (fYi9j)

Should have shut that place down the minute they went overtime.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:48 PM (l513m)

335 Jeeeepers, how can one know such things?

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:45 PM (l513m)

It's triflingly easy, Dr. Spank, Bear with Asymmetrical Balls, Jack Sock.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:49 PM (fuK7c)

336 Jimi Hendrix in 1962.

https://bit.ly/2DdOxIu

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 11, 2018 03:49 PM (+y/Ru)

337 320 You are just a leftist concern troll. ...

Posted by: Brenda Snipes at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (/qEW2)

Did you mean to attack a regular moron with a sock on, Steve and Cold Bear?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:43 PM (fuK7c)

LOL! Nice catch, Bander

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 03:49 PM (xJa6I)

338

Maces are too.

Those little tactical tomahawks would work too, especially in close-in confrontations.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 11, 2018 03:49 PM (HaL55)

339 Jeeeepers, how can one know such things?
Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 03:45 PM (l513m)

You can google anyones hash, and it usually shows up.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:46 PM (GBteo)

-------------

Yep.

"search site:acecomments.mu.nu "hash"".

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 03:49 PM (I16G8)

340 It's triflingly easy, Dr. Spank, Bear with Asymmetrical Balls, Jack Sock.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:49 PM (fuK7c)

Actually, it's not always that easy. Different people - actual people - can be using the same server on the same VPN. THis is why some people find that they are banned when they didn't do anything - because someone else used that server and got banned so that IP is on the blacklist, now. It's not uncommon.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 03:50 PM (KEr/t)

341

Nobody likes a tattler.

Posted by: Pee Wee Herman at November 11, 2018 03:50 PM (iC81c)

342 Well, I just nailed my front door shut to make it impossible to open - and thus safer, and now I can't get it open to go git more liquor. Help me Mr. Popeil!

Posted by: Dry in DesMoines at November 11, 2018 03:51 PM (mN40J)

343 One theme runs through a lot of these comments. That is what Mrs Carlson's chances would be with a DC jury.

We've all taken it for granted that trial by jury is a good thing, per se. And no doubt about it, it has mostly been so. But can it not come to pass where it isn't?

I'm not sure that there may not soon be places (like in CA or NY - and DC) where we could stand better chances with trial by champions, or even ordeal.

There is a point beyond which EVERYTHING in our system depends on cultural attitudes which are under attack. How long before it all comes crashing down?

Not pleasant, I know. Not what I'd like to believe. But where are we and where are we headed?

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 11, 2018 03:52 PM (59GGI)

344 Well, I just nailed my front door shut to make it impossible to open - and thus safer, and now I can't get it open to go git more liquor. Help me Mr. Popeil!

Posted by: Dry in DesMoines at November 11, 2018 03:51 PM (mN40J)

And now you're asking for the Fire Chief to arrest you

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 03:52 PM (KEr/t)

345 Concern status:

NOTED.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:40 PM (GBteo)

The concern is not for your benefit. It's for the benefit of those who might read your bullshit and buy into it.

Yes I am concerned because you *NEVER* back up what you say with any documentation. You toss out these vague principles to support your immoral goals.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 11, 2018 03:52 PM (/qEW2)

346 Did you mean to attack a regular moron with a sock on, Steve and Cold Bear?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:43 PM

Doesn't seem like S & C Bear at all. Not at all.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 03:53 PM (URwyc)

347 "109 oh, and guys -- I really recommend buying attorney branca's book. It really is an excellent and informative read. Best book I've read on the subject."

Very kind of you, Harry!

--Andrew

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 03:54 PM (eciqi)

348 Nothing worse than trying to make a serious point while using a silly sockpuppet.

Posted by: Pee Wee Herman at November 11, 2018 03:47 PM (iC81c)

*nods*

Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at November 11, 2018 03:54 PM (yQpMk)

349 Someone earlier was asking about weapons to use with neighbors across the street, etc.

1. Buckshot
2. Hollow point 9mm rounds
3. Make sure you hit the bad guy

most of the time 58 gr 223 rounds will also not over-penetrate the human body but 9mm HP and buckshot is safer. Keep in mind buckshot spread but at conversational ranges, it's Quality.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 03:54 PM (xJa6I)

350 Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 11, 2018 03:52 PM (59GGI)

I'm sure that like States, DC is not one huge Jury pool though.

So like here in Calif... where I live in a Central Calif Red County, I'd go for a Jury trial.

Now... if I shot someone in LA County? or Marin County? might be a different story.

Posted by: Don Q. at November 11, 2018 03:55 PM (NgKpN)

351 Doesn't seem like S & C Bear at all. Not at all.

Well then look at #345.

I'm not taking sides in the fight, but I'm a Marquess of Queensberry kind of guy. A regular fighting a regular should do so in the open.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:55 PM (fuK7c)

352 Hey Mark, you going to North Bend next Saturday?

Carpool after range time?

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 03:56 PM (PkVlr)

353
Nevermind.

Geez. I'm like 0-2 this week. Now I have to apologize to AtC for thinking she'd be wrong about the mid-term house race and Bander.

Let me get a drink first, it's almost five.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 03:56 PM (URwyc)

354 The concern is not for your benefit. It's for the benefit of those who might read your bullshit and buy into it.

Yes I am concerned because you *NEVER* back up what you say with any documentation. You toss out these vague principles to support your immoral goals.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 11, 2018 03:52 PM (/qEW2)

You really want me to address this?

You mis-stated 100% of the positions I've taken, and I have no idea why you're coming after me for saying things like, "hey, it's possible that the left is going to find a sympathetic judge who is going to put a stay on Trump's order to send active duty troops to the border on the theory that border control is law enforcement, and the pca does not allow troops to be used for law enforcement."

...Somehow my stating that makes me a leftist concern troll?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:56 PM (GBteo)

355

You break into someone's house...or clearly attempt to...anything that
happens is ethically on you...and the law should reflect that as well.

You could stop at any time before you commit a crime. If you don't, then you deserve whatever befalls you, IMO.
Down here, they redid the Castle Doctrine thingy a few years back and removed some restrictions.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 11, 2018 03:56 PM (HaL55)

356 "116 ...The husband came back and started pounding on the door. He told her he would kill her. She shot him through the door killing him. No charges filed. It was a textbook case of self defense."

I would caution that just because a use of force isn't charged and prosecuted doesn't mean it was necessarily lawful. Lots of reasons to not charge or try a case, besides whether the underlying conduct was lawful.

Very dangerous to learn use-of-force law from these kinds of anecdotes.

--Andrew

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 03:56 PM (eciqi)

357 No legal consequences for terrorizing Carlson's wife and breaking his front door

No legal consequences for hitting conservative demonstrators over the head with a metal bicycle
lock.

No legal consequences for government offiicials breaking election laws in Florida.

No legal consequences for illegal aliens who commit felonies.

For us -- jail time for using harsh language.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 11, 2018 03:56 PM (rGIJb)

358 352 Hey Mark, you going to North Bend next Saturday?

Carpool after range time?
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 03:56 PM (PkVlr)

Heya! What's going on in North Bend next Saturday?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 03:57 PM (xJa6I)

359 I think the classic case of the insanity of many states' laws regarding self-defense (and the illegality of trying to defend oneself) was when that basketball team went into the stands to try and beat the shit out of a bunch of fans. Fans who defended themselves were arrested and we all got treated to the absolute insanity of states with "obligation to flee" laws, or whatever they were called.

The fact is that the right of reasonable self-defense is nonexistent in many states. Totally nonexistent.

The law is crazy with criminal rights in many, many cases and has little respect for private property rights in many states. It's a real shame.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 03:57 PM (KEr/t)

360 Very kind of you, Harry!

--Andrew
Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 03:54 PM (eciqi)

Thanks so much for the post, Andrew, I'm stoked to have an expert on the subject weigh in!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 03:58 PM (GBteo)

361
I use a Double Barrel Fleshlight and blast it through the glory hole nearly every night!

Posted by: Shemp Smith at November 11, 2018 03:58 PM (64QSU)

362 Yes I am concerned because you *NEVER* back up what you say with any documentation.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 11, 2018 03:52 PM (/qEW2)

I have in this J. Crew Messenger Bag a list of State Department traitors as well as a comprehensive Westlaw printout of self-defense principles from each of the 50 states and Puerto Rico.

*motions toward bag*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM (HJhxx)

363 326 Just had a very nice weekend visit with cousin I haven't seen since a kid. Mormon, so no drinking. But, what fun. Deplorable, conservative, pro 2nd and involved Trump supporter. I was sorta shocked.......
Posted by: Infidel at November 11, 2018 03:45 PM (2na8x)
------------------------------
Good news!

I have also recently been getting to know a distant cousin (grandson of mother's cousin) who I never met before.
Turns out he is extremely deplorable too!
And he was delighted and SHOCKED that I was!

Usually these things do not work out so well, do they?!?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM (Rxduq)

364 Did you mean to attack a regular moron with a sock on, Steve and Cold Bear?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:43 PM (fuK7c)

Obviously not, since I used the sock satirically in a previous thread and forgot to take it off.

You really are an idiot, aren't you? You periodically say idiotic things like defending the homo-cake mafia. You are an assclown.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM (/qEW2)

365 "149 BTW, CBD, are you the one who got Andrew to write this post? If so, great job!"

Indeed, it was CBD who invited me to write the guest post. :-)

--Andrew

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM (eciqi)

366 Mark, Mini mome with Left coast dog, Winston, some rat and Diogenes. Maybe more?

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM (PkVlr)

367 I think these pricks are going to win. They've brainwashed the population, the law favors them over us, and they never stop.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM (rGIJb)

368 One thing I forgot to mention to you Morons is that in Northeastern Illinois young people snapchat a story making the rounds here is that a restaurant/bar requires two forms of ID. One of the patrons submitted a DL and a FOID. The waitress snapped the FOID in two. My take was that the patron should have sued the pants off the server, restaurant, corporate owners, and local taxing body. Kidlet said it couldn't be done, but I say it must be done.

What say the Horde?

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 11, 2018 04:00 PM (MIKMs)

369 322 Scott files to have the votes tabulated after the Saturday deadline be excluded from the count and seperately files for FDLE and Broward police to impound ballots and voting machines.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2018 03:44 PM (fYi9j)

As he damn well should.

Where is the Broward County State's attorney to file an arrest warrant for the Yoda-look-alike Snipes? She is again breaking the law.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 11, 2018 04:01 PM (MEgUr)

370 Looks like it's time to get that book.

Because we are a nation with plenty of productive people trying to be left alone, while our leadership / elites turns us into a criminal sanctuary country.

I do not feel the loyalty down. And consent of the governed is getting shorter.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 04:01 PM (hyuyC)

371 You are an assclown.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM

Yo. Back away from the keyboard. I don't know what's going on but you're not yourself. CBD is nearby with banhammer and he's shown no lack of desire to use it.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 11, 2018 04:01 PM (URwyc)

372 You could stop at any time before you commit a crime. If you don't, then you deserve whatever befalls you, IMO.

---

I know I'm summoning a new thread by posting this, but:

This is what irritates me so much about the illegal alien discussion. Pro-crime folks act like one action = one crime that occured at some point in the past.

If you're working illegally, each day you willingly choose to violate that law = one instance. It shouldn't be one-instance-until-you're-caught.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and Prayers for RGB 🐘 at November 11, 2018 04:01 PM (LX21o)

373 You really are an idiot, aren't you? You periodically say idiotic things like defending the homo-cake mafia. You are an assclown.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

Well reasoned and erudite. Would you like a cookie?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 04:01 PM (fuK7c)

374 Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 11, 2018 03:37 PM (aPsQQ)

You act like it's difficult to determine the difference between someone attempting to break down your door and a rock being thrown.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 04:02 PM (2DOZq)

375 Where the heck is our all-American dildo with the food thread. Cause I'm not hanging around here listening to a bunch of PMS-style whining and sniping.

Posted by: Peaches at November 11, 2018 04:02 PM (14URa)

376 Fellas - let's step back a bit.

Ok?

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at November 11, 2018 04:02 PM (Uiz/V)

377 Nood -Food.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 04:03 PM (I16G8)

378 Thank you. Hope to never need your book, but time spent planning is rarely wasted.

Maybe I'll get a seminar for our local conservative group from a local lawyers.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2018 04:03 PM (hyuyC)

379
Usually these things do not work out so well, do they?!?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM (Rxduq)

Sometimes not. It was just very pleasant. Our grandmas were twins and our mothers were like sisters who grew up together during the depression and WWII.

She only lives about 4 hrs away. Of course, she wanted to visit the dispensary.

Posted by: Infidel at November 11, 2018 04:03 PM (2na8x)

380 Where the heck is our all-American dildo with the food thread. Cause I'm not hanging around here listening to a bunch of PMS-style whining and sniping.

Posted by: Peaches at November 11, 2018 04:02 PM (14URa)

---

I posted, so I'm guessing sometime in the next 30 seconds.

It's my superpower apparently.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and Prayers for RGB 🐘 at November 11, 2018 04:03 PM (LX21o)

381
Peaches, lets go get a drink and come back later...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2018 04:04 PM (UFLLM)

382 Peaches! It does sound like a bunch of bitchy women, doesn't it?

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 04:04 PM (PkVlr)

383 Indeed, it was CBD who invited me to write the guest post. :-)

--Andrew
Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM (eciqi)

Once again, the Dildo pulls through!

(phrasing?)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 04:04 PM (GBteo)

384 366 Mark, Mini mome with Left coast dog, Winston, some rat and Diogenes. Maybe more?
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 11, 2018 03:59 PM (PkVlr)

Yeah, I'm down. Need to clear it with the wife but shouldn't be a problem. We can totally carpool after shooting holes in paper next Saturday.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2018 04:04 PM (xJa6I)

385 Excellent !! Thank you Mr. Branca.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2018 04:05 PM (bUjCl)

386 Satz has been the States Attorney is Broward since 1976 or so. I highly doubt he cares about the DEMS manufacturing votes.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2018 04:05 PM (fYi9j)

387

Thanks so much for the post, Andrew, I'm stoked to have an expert on the subject weigh in!

Hear, hear! We don't get many Special Guest Morons around here.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 11, 2018 04:06 PM (HaL55)

388 Andrew if you're still here what do you think of the Oklahoma pharmacist case where he was convicted of first degree murder after shooting the wounded armed robber dead? I assume I know your legalolinion. What's your personal opinion?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 04:06 PM (2DOZq)

389 Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at November 11, 2018 03:39 PM (YuQLm)

How terrible for you! I hope that you are feeling safer now.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2018 04:06 PM (AllCR)

390 I don't know why I'm being brought into any of this, but feel free to fuck yourself, you whiny, self-righteous zero.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 11, 2018 04:07 PM (H5knJ)

391 Andrew if you're still here what do you think of the Oklahoma pharmacist case where he was convicted of first degree murder after shooting the wounded armed robber dead? I assume I know your legalolinion. What's your personal opinion?

The coup de gras is out of bounds, strictly speaking, unless the perp is a fetus.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 11, 2018 04:08 PM (HJhxx)

392 Hear, hear! We don't get many Special Guest Morons around here.

I'm still not putting on pants.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 04:08 PM (yQpMk)

393 The coup de gras is out of bounds, strictly speaking, unless the perp is a fetus.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 11, 2018 04:08 PM (HJhxx)

First degree murder though?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 04:09 PM (2DOZq)

394 First degree murder though?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 04:09 PM (2DOZq)

What else would it be?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 04:10 PM (GBteo)

395 "279 279 Since this happened at night, applicable penal code sections that could apply.

Sec 9-42 DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY "

I'm pretty sure the Texas Penal Code doesn't apply in Washington DC.

--Andrew

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 04:10 PM (eciqi)

396 Well reasoned and erudite. Would you like a cookie?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 04:01 PM (fuK7c)

I stated an easily verifiable statement. You just denied it by "would you like a cookie?"

You are an imbecile. You didn't even try to refute what I said. Idiot.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 11, 2018 04:11 PM (/qEW2)

397 386 Satz has been the States Attorney is Broward since 1976 or so. I highly doubt he cares about the DEMS manufacturing votes.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2018 04:05 PM (fYi9j)

Yep, realized that; should have added the sarcasm tag.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 11, 2018 04:12 PM (MEgUr)

398 What else would it be?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 04:10 PM (GBteo)

Anything else. Killing someone after they tried to commit armed robbery against you can never, in any reasonable person's mind, be considered pre-meditated murder. At worst, the emotional trauma of just having had to save your own life has some nontrivial effect.

But I have heard about the silliness that many of the courts have come to regarding "premeditation" - it can happen "in an instant" - LOL.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 04:12 PM (KEr/t)

399 You are an imbecile. You didn't even try to refute what I said. Idiot.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 11, 2018 04:11 PM (/qEW2)

Dude, cmon. We're moving to the delicious nood right now, and going over the finer points of microwaved verse cooked-in-the-oven (baked?) bacon, can we not form a circular firing squad in the comments for no reason?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 04:12 PM (GBteo)

400 First degree murder though?

I think imperfect self defense is normally charged as manslaughter. However, if the perp was clearly no longer a threat, dispatching him with a shot to the head would be pretty hard to defend as any kind of self defense.

As a wise lawyer once told me, "it all depends on the facts."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 11, 2018 04:13 PM (HJhxx)

401 First degree murder though?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 04:09 PM (2DOZq)

What else would it be?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2018 04:10 PM (GBteo)

Manslaughter. No need to reply. With all due respect we will never agree on anything so no need to pretend we will change each other's mind.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at November 11, 2018 04:13 PM (2DOZq)

402 I don't know why I'm being brought into any of this, but feel free to fuck yourself, you whiny, self-righteous zero.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 11, 2018 04:07 PM (H5knJ)

Oh, apologies. Primordial Ordered Pair turns out to be right about this, I thought it was far less common.

340 It's triflingly easy, Dr. Spank, Bear with Asymmetrical Balls, Jack Sock.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 03:49 PM (fuK7c)

Actually, it's not always that easy. Different people - actual people - can be using the same server on the same VPN. THis is why some people find that they are banned when they didn't do anything - because someone else used that server and got banned so that IP is on the blacklist, now. It's not uncommon.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 03:50 PM (KEr/t)

You have posted with the same hash as Dr. Spank, which is why I thought you were all the same person.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at April 10, 2018 12:16 PM (l513m).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 04:15 PM (fuK7c)

403 Satz has been the States Attorney is Broward since 1976 or so. I highly doubt he cares about the DEMS manufacturing votes.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2018 04:05 PM (fYi9j)

Yep, realized that; should have added the sarcasm tag.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 11, 2018 04:12 PM (MEgUr)

There are other entities including federal prosecutors who can step in I think. It is against federal law to fraudulently vote in a federal election.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2018 04:15 PM (F/KeJ)

404 You are an imbecile. You didn't even try to refute what I said. Idiot.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 11, 2018 04:11 PM (/qEW2)

Dude chill out.
Harry P is no troll he's been here forever.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 11, 2018 04:16 PM (vdO5k)

405 I got here way too late to add anything to the discussion, but I can say thanks, Andrew. I'll read everything later and check your link.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and Prayers for RGB 🐘 at November 11, 2018 04:17 PM (LX21o)

406

All of your dicks taste like my poop!

Posted by: Sheep Smith at November 11, 2018 04:17 PM (4EJ4i)

407 So a bit off topic....

My kids had some dance thing today where 2 kids got a scholarship for a class next year

15 kids 13 white kids.2 non white kids.

Guess who won the prizes?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at November 11, 2018 04:18 PM (vdO5k)

408 Why is everyone's blood up today? Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 04:18 PM (yQpMk)

409 Front door cracked? So claims pussy Tucker Swanson Mcnear Carlson....

Posted by: Trump Is A Giant Pussy at November 11, 2018 04:19 PM (ie12c)

410 386 Nick: has anyone w SOS verified where late arrival mail-in ballots to Broward are being held? Mail-ins claimed to have been tallied on Friday. Easy to include late arrivals.

Posted by: Ever at November 11, 2018 04:19 PM (QPeHQ)

411 There are other entities including federal prosecutors who can step in I think. It is against federal law to fraudulently vote in a federal election.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2018 04:15 PM (F/KeJ)

Remember what the feds did to that ACORN guy - the college kid - who was part of the illegal Ohio GOTV crap in 2008 and had turned out to have registered to vote in two different states?

Nothing. He even got to vote in his original registered state. Yep ...

That was back when Barky's campaign had funneled almost a million dollars to that illegal ACORN Ohio operation and had ... oops ... listed it as "lighting expenses" on the campaign books.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 04:20 PM (KEr/t)

412 Trump Is A Giant Pussy

Even I won't suck YOUR dick...

Posted by: Sheep Smith at November 11, 2018 04:20 PM (4EJ4i)

413 Well now there is a real troll. See, our bickering draws them like flies to carrion.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 04:20 PM (yQpMk)

414 Troll is Soros' whore and a c*nt.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2018 04:21 PM (NWiLs)

415 "388 Andrew if you're still here what do you think of the Oklahoma pharmacist case where he was convicted of first degree murder after shooting the wounded armed robber dead? I assume I know your legalolinion. What's your personal opinion?"

The privilege to use defensive force against a threat ends when the threat ends. In the OK pharmacist case the armed robber was no longer a threat when the "execution shot" was fired into him. First shot was fine. Last shot was not. Bad shoot.

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 11, 2018 04:22 PM (eciqi)

416 Well now there is a real troll. See, our bickering draws them like flies to carrion.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 04:20 PM (yQpMk)

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I'm sitting right here, dammit!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and Prayers for RGB 🐘 at November 11, 2018 04:23 PM (LX21o)

417 Hmm, well, I see things have gotten a bit testy and I'm not interested in food. How's y'all like to hear that Mark Penn and Andrew Stein say Hillary is for sure going to get the Democratic nom in 2020?

From the WSJ:

https://tinyurl.com/yc6j62gu

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 11, 2018 04:26 PM (13CQC)

418 Why is everyone's blood up today? Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 11, 2018 04:18 PM (yQpMk)

A lot of it is "shoot the messenger" stuff. People don't like the asinine way many of these laws are formulated and they're taking it out on those who are stating the law.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 04:27 PM (KEr/t)

419
Satz has been the States Attorney is Broward since 1976 or so. I highly doubt he cares about the DEMS manufacturing votes.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2018 04:05 PM (fYi9j)

Yep, realized that; should have added the sarcasm tag.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 11, 2018 04:12 PM (MEgUr)

Question for you two? I am looking at the results here: https://floridaelectionwatch.gov/CompareStateToCounty/160000.

So Broward was reporting something like 715000 votes here: https://floridaelectionwatch.gov/CountyReportingStatus but no individual race that I checked had anywhere near that number of votes. I assume that 1000s of people wouldn't be turning in blank ballots so what gives?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2018 04:28 PM (F/KeJ)

420

Hitlery, America's first stress-seizure alcoholic Dalek President!

Posted by: Sheep Smith at November 11, 2018 04:28 PM (4EJ4i)

421 The most common hash I end up with is the present one (home base), but I get assigned quite a number of them when at work or out and about.

I sock frequently. And I sometimes shorten my nic out of laziness. But I don't post as a different "regular." Not "Dr Spank" or any other.

I leave it to better informed morons to explain the hash assignment system. But I do know from my own experience that it's not anywhere near as reliable an identifier as some think.

* Apologies for being short-tempered. I've been sick for more than a week now and less good-natured than usual.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 11, 2018 04:29 PM (H5knJ)

422
Remember what the feds did to that ACORN guy -
the college kid - who was part of the illegal Ohio GOTV crap in 2008 and
had turned out to have registered to vote in two different states?

Nothing. He even got to vote in his original registered state. Yep ...

That was back when Barky's campaign had funneled almost a million
dollars to that illegal ACORN Ohio operation and had ... oops ... listed
it as "lighting expenses" on the campaign books.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 04:20 PM (KEr/t)

There is a different sheriff in town now.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2018 04:30 PM (F/KeJ)

423 Hmm, well, I see things have gotten a bit testy and I'm not interested in food. How's y'all like to hear that Mark Penn and Andrew Stein say Hillary is for sure going to get the Democratic nom in 2020?

From the WSJ:

https://tinyurl.com/yc6j62gu
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 11, 2018 04:26 PM (13CQC)

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I hope and pray that they run Felonia for a third time in 2020.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 11, 2018 04:32 PM (I16G8)

424 Folks, in blue areas, think outside of the box.

First, harden every single entry point. Security glass or decorative iron grills locking inside for all windows in reach. If able, add airlock type doors such as that to keep heat in for old houses in the North. Also add, screening/security doors with the external security door swinging outward (Larsen makes one called Secure Elegance with a three point locking system). You can't kick the inner door in if you can't get to it. Steel door frames set in masonry are best.

BTW, the long screws are decent but best to have a floor device (looks like a large towing pin but goes into a recess in the floor. You can also cut the head off of one long hinge screw per hinge on the door frame and drill out the corresponding area on the door to create a recess. With decent screws, makes it very difficult to tear a door off of its hinges.

Worst comes to worst,
E.g. one area denial device is a high pressure washer. These also have some distance and as long as the water keeps going some thrust. For extra fun, add soap to the mix as it will make everything slippery and mark the perps.

Another would be dumping powdered capsaicin on the people below like boiling oil --you can buy it where you get bird food. Bear size pepper spray and fire extinguishers also can be used. Heck, even chlorox bleach, kerosene, buckets of hot or ice cold water, or cans of paint being thrown at the Antifa from a height would make their visit quite unpleasant. Even canned food or potatoes can be a pretty nasty thrown objects especially from a height like a second story window.

There are also pepper spray guns or even ltl shotgun rounds but not sure about the legality of those in dc.

Some stuff works also with fire preparation. Be able to evacuate to an upper story is good as many have a closed stairway that is essentially a funnel if you must play Fort Apache. It effectively prevents force multipliers coming up, it also if worse comes to worse is a better firing position to fire downwards than upwards. It is more difficult to fire upwards and hit accurately than down. Ask folks that hunt in the mountains about that.

Have secure escape routes planned such as escape ladders etc. if you have a multistory building and if you have a family, make sure to have rendezvous points.

Posted by: depressed onlooker at November 11, 2018 04:32 PM (ROzyM)

425 Apologies accepted back and forth I hope, bear.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2018 04:33 PM (fuK7c)

426 239 -- Harry: Nope, going past the threshold wasn't the problem. The kid asked and the cops said going into the hallway wasn't the issue. The issue was that the kid did anything at all before he, the girl friend, and the girl friend's kid had their backs literally to the wall of the farthest closet.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at November 11, 2018 04:34 PM (Htagf)

427 Mr. Branca,
Thanks for your fine book and have your state specific information as well. Hope to attend one of your seminars in the next year or so.

Posted by: depressed onlooker at November 11, 2018 04:37 PM (ROzyM)

428 LOVE IT HERE IN INDIANA! Not only concealed carry but a wonderful self-defence that makes so easy to send scum like these screaming down to hell.

Posted by: John E Schroth at November 11, 2018 04:49 PM (S+Gyk)

429 Shoot, shovel and shut up.
The end.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at November 11, 2018 04:53 PM (jWe5r)

430 NJ is pretty much duty to retreat until there is no reasonable avenue of retreat. What you want to do is get advice on defensible strategy from a criminal defense attorney who has previously worked in a prosecutors office.

Posted by: BluesFish at November 11, 2018 04:57 PM (AYft3)

431 I hope and pray that they run Felonia for a third time in 2020.
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A sense of warning and dread looms all over that column -- written by two Democrats.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 11, 2018 04:59 PM (13CQC)

432
Is there even gonna be a gun thread tonight?

Posted by: Spun and Murky at November 11, 2018 05:05 PM (4DCSq)

433 Whatever happened to good old-fashioned rock salt?
Daddy used to keep a dozen rounds for 2- or 4-legged varmints you didn't want to injure TOO badly, and I do the same.

Posted by: chickenfarmer at November 11, 2018 05:11 PM (VMJIJ)

434 "Bear size pepper spray and fire extinguishers also can be used."
Uh, sorry Depressed Onlooker, DC law explicitly prohibits Bear spray. I don't know what people who live in DC who want to go for a hike on the Appalachian Trail are supposed to do. They're allowed to purchase certain pepper sprays for self defense use, but they're of a weaker sort that I wouldn't bother carrying anyway. And if you're under 18, it's illegal for you to have even that.

It's not just guns they don't like. They don't want you to have a defensive weapon of ANY sort. The DC law is an abomination as far as the second amendment is concerned. But we don't have a national bear spray association to fight for those rights, so there they go.

Posted by: Gork at November 11, 2018 05:11 PM (VmQ66)

435
I leave it to better informed morons to explain the hash assignment system. But I do know from my own experience that it's not anywhere near as reliable an identifier as some think.

I was at an "away" location for Friday evening until midday today. For some reason -- I'm guessing the assigned hash for me there -- I could create and post remarks and see they had been posted. However, they would be overwritten or disappeared shortly thereafter. No idea why.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 11, 2018 05:13 PM (pNxlR)

436 ~~Governor~~ Mancunt Rick Scott: Democrat 'Sen. Nelson is Clearly Trying to Commit Fraud' to Win This Election; He's a 'Sore Loser'

neener neener

I am so done with these spineless shits.

Posted by: Rick Scott at November 11, 2018 05:20 PM (r9UYA)

437 off mc sock

Posted by: Under Fire at November 11, 2018 05:21 PM (r9UYA)

438 I sat on a grand jury. A guy shot another guy in defense of a third party. The prosecutor had political ambitions so she charged the shooter with murder. The GJ could not consider the third-party defense so we returned a true bill. After hearing the case the judge decided, as a matter of law, that it was a shooting in defense of a third person - case dismissed. Prosecutors don't have to follow the law. BTW, the vic deserved it. He took 2 hits from a 44 mag at under 10 feet, one through the sternum and one through the skull. The pictures were vivid. Three hours after the event, the shooter had a BAC over .30.

Saying on line that you are going to shoot someone under certain circumstances might not be the smartest thing you ever did. When the prosecutor presents it at your trial, you might with that you had said something else or maybe nothing at all.

In a self-defense situation, shooting to wound or shooting at legs or feet suggests that maybe you weren't really in fear of your life.

Well before you click off the safety, be sure that you can deal with the aftermath. It will be real messy. You will probably go to jail for at least a day. You will lose the weapon. You may be charged with a crime and have to defend yourself. You will probably be sued by the vic's family and have to defend yourself. You may lose your job. And you killed someone. This is real, not some BS on TV.

Posted by: Richard at November 11, 2018 05:32 PM (hUZo5)

439 A lot of it is "shoot the messenger" stuff. People don't like the asinine way many of these laws are formulated and they're taking it out on those who are stating the law.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2018 04:27 PM (KEr/t)

Or possibly, shooting another person is such a serious thing one becomes frustrated with generalized opinion being stated as fact.

Posted by: Bernie at November 11, 2018 05:35 PM (r2k5T)

440 I am so done with these spineless shits.
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"Sore loser"? Oh FFS.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 11, 2018 05:36 PM (13CQC)

441 The first round in each of my home defense shotguns is a non-lethal beanbag round. Plausible deniability for going from zero to lethal in nothing flat.
It is followed by alternating 00B and slugs.

Posted by: butch at November 11, 2018 05:55 PM (hXu8T)

442 And get insurance. Take a look at what the US Concealed Carry Association offers. It's worth the peace of mind.
Of course the fascists in NYS prohibit that sort of insurance.

Posted by: butch at November 11, 2018 05:59 PM (hXu8T)

443 Or you, Oliver Willis, sitting in your Mom's filthy basement covered in Cheetos dust and stinking if ass and failure?

Posted by: Sharkman at November 11, 2018 02:04 PM (2eKoI)

That there is flat out g**-damned poetry, I tell ya.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 11, 2018 06:02 PM (UsCnO)

444 a jurisdiction like DC ...
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This is the key question: Who the Governor of DC (yes, I know there isn't one)?

If DC is federal jurisdiction, POTUS has the power of clemency.

Better Judged by 12 than carried by 6 -- especially if you can be pardoned by 1.

Posted by: lurk at November 11, 2018 06:25 PM (j3frD)

445 Is Dirty Harry retired? Can we bring him back?

Posted by: senecagriggs at November 11, 2018 08:12 PM (BkqTx)

446 A Mossberg 590 12 or 20 ga. would have made a hole in the door and continued on to make a hole in that Antifa cretain.

Posted by: Sergeant Major at November 11, 2018 08:25 PM (zXnjg)

447 Great post

Posted by: Summer of Love at November 11, 2018 08:41 PM (FJrl0)

448 These mobs must be prosecuted for disturbing the peace, trespass, varied and sundry laws concerning blocking public roadways, and for vandalism when applicable. There ARE remedies.

Posted by: Rob at November 11, 2018 09:19 PM (OwZu9)

449 Something that came up the last couple of times this was discussed in comments, re: the door failing, vs nearly failing;

If a sizable mob of people - call it 12 or more, just for the sake of argument - actually intends harm to the occupants of a dwelling and has the motivation to see it through, then one defender with a handgun or shotgun waiting for the door to be fully breached is suicide.

Even armed with a rifle, being able to defeat that number of people coming through the door is iffy if they're motivated. Now, in reality they'd likely think they were motivated until the first few bought it, but if the latter several don't cooperate by fleeing, you're going to go through an entire mag and it still may not be enough.

And keep in mind, I'm talking about *unarmed* attackers.

Unfortunately, when they really mean business they're just going to try setting the structure on fire. At that point everyone not fleeing is a valid target.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at November 11, 2018 11:50 PM (67XdO)

450 The question is, "What was the end game had the terrorist mob actually broken in?"Just to stand in the foyer and chant slogans at the woman and children?Smash furniture?Build a fire or vandalize the abode?Wave signs and flags?Or was the intent to actually assault and batter both the wife and his children with grievous bodily harm?Had she used a gun, we would see her get the treatment of Zimmerman for sure.I think mobs should realize, some of their victims will shoot them.Where were the Police?

Posted by: obsidian at November 12, 2018 08:28 AM (7+yqP)

451 #438 I tried this argument in a all outdoor sportsman forum and got roundly called a coward and wimp a liar and told I didn't need a gun.Lots of Wannabe Heroes, internet rambo's and people who just don't think will argue with you over what you said, which is the absolute truth.

Posted by: obsidian at November 12, 2018 08:40 AM (7+yqP)

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