The day before November 11 [KT]

My grandfather, the taller man above, wrote the following on the back of this photo:

En route over seas
Soldiers wore life preservers night and day
also a canteen of water so if ship went down we would not get thirsty in the sea.

Good morning. Today is the day before Veterans Day, the 100th Anniversary of Armistice Day. President Trump is in Paris, preparing to celebrate. My grandfather and others on the ship pictured above were later involved in some of the worst battles in World War I. Those who survived were grateful for Armistice Day.

They are not with us anymore, of course. You might want to pay a little extra attention to a veteran you know this weekend, or you might take this opportunity to think about some family history worth preserving and sharing. My sister-in-law just found the photo above at my mother's house.

Many veterans don't like to talk about their war experiences, but sometimes some information comes out anyway. As noted in last night's ONT, today is the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht. I found this last night:

A personal story:

My grandfather fought in WWII. He never spoke about it, so we didn't know much about his time in the service, but based on the patches on his uniform, we think he did something in intel.

The next part takes place two years ago.
He died, and I'm cleaning out his house with my mom and sister.
We find a photo album.
When I open it, I feel like it might burn a hole in my hands.

They found a bunch of apparent captured Nazi photos from Kristallnacht, many included in the thread. They make history real. UPDATE: If you're a lefty like the author of that thread, try to apply what you have learned from these fresh images to the behavior of some people you may sort of agree with, like, say, Antifa at Tucker Carlson's house.

A lot of people were grateful to see the end of World War II, also.

You might like to check out a commemoration of Veterans Day in your area. Around here, there are events starting today and lasting through Monday, when the Fresno Veterans Day Parade will be held. Goodness knows we could use a little more community spirit about now. And I heard on the radio about a ceremony during which a quilting organization gave quilts to veterans. One Vietnam vet started to cry. Said it was the first time his service had ever been acknowledged. Seems worthwhile.

Do you know of any Veterans Day events near you? If not, maybe you could invent a small one of your own.

If a wildfire does not interfere, a special day is planned at the USS Hornet Sea, Air and Space Museum in Alameda. In addition to ceremonial commemorations, there will be a variety of activities such as demonstrations of naval knot-tying and the opportunity to write a letter to a vet. Might be a new experience waiting out there for a kid you know. Leave the phones somewhere else.

Or, concentrate on one veteran. Just do something nice with one veteran.

I know I have shared the excerpt below before, but it seems fitting on this special anniversary year. These were some of my grandfather's thoughts as he prepared to return home from Europe at the end of World War I. He received more injuries than he let on in this letter to his father. He carried shrapnel in his back the rest of his life, and his life was saved by a small frying pan holding corned beef ("bully beef") which had been strapped to his back when a bullet hit. He buried a lot of men. Don't know how much that changed him, but when I was a child he was not very demonstrative. He struck me as living in an adult world where the concerns of children were left to other people.

After the war, he expressed willingness to serve again if he were needed.

I am happy to say that peace seems to have come. I was slightly wounded in the right arm in the offensive we took part in on the Belgian front. I felt happy to be alive and safe and I look forward to coming home.
My sympathy goes out to those who will never go home and for those who expect to see friends and relatives who will never come back. I have come to the conclusion that life is a precious gift and is worth living, no matter what the difficulty, but we are so helpless to save it or preserve it that it is not worth while to consider our health and happiness and comfort above that of others. It is worth while sometimes to die, if death will serve to help others. When we think too much of our comfort we expose ourselves to more danger by disintegration than we do when we make a brave fight and face every danger and exposure.
I hope I come home from this war more of a man then I went into it. If I don't I'll feel that I have not played my part.

A little music for Veterans Day

Note: This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Hope you have a great weekend.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:11 AM

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1 First (World War)!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 10, 2018 11:15 AM (kQs4Y)

2 Wynn cannot count as first!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 10, 2018 11:16 AM (kQs4Y)

3 Also happy birthday to the USMC. Dad and younger brother are Marines, once and always.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 10, 2018 11:16 AM (TI8Od)

4 Wynn cannot count as first!

Damn Straight ! YOU waz robbed ! Recount !!

Posted by: runner at November 10, 2018 11:18 AM (bUjCl)

5 Thank you for the post, KT.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 10, 2018 11:19 AM (t+qrx)

6 Send the word, send the word over there.
That the Yanks are coming

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 11:19 AM (T4oHT)

7 3 TOILET LORD WHY HAVE U FORSAKEN ME
Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 10, 2018 11:16 AM (zob6J)

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Oooh, that edit was fast. Someone was quick on the draw.

Wonderful post, KT. Thank you for sharing your family history and contributions.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at November 10, 2018 11:20 AM (XXNQ+)

8
My grandfather fought in WWI in the infantry. After he died we found a photo of his rifle unit, mess kit, corporal stripes and a few other items he kept.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 10, 2018 11:20 AM (SiINZ)

9 What's up with Bill Wynn?

Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 11:21 AM (EbOpT)

10 Apologies for going off-topic so soon, but I've got an update on my mom.

She is stable now, and having a battery of tests today. She has a couple fractured ribs, and had some internal bleeding. Tests will be an all-day ordeal, so we'll see what comes of them.

Thanks to all the Horde for your prayers and good wishes.

oh, and Fen - please don't be put off by my nic. It's actually a semi-obscure Princess Bride reference, and has a somewhat different meaning in context.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 10, 2018 11:21 AM (+F0Wk)

11 Continued prayers, No One of Consequence.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 11:23 AM (EbOpT)

12 Two brave patriots standing there in that photo unlike man cunt Rick Scott who has never served.

Thank you for your grandads service. It was a tough era for our country. You should be very proud of him.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 10, 2018 11:24 AM (r9UYA)

13
The flowery curtains on the window make quite a contrast to the gravity of the subject.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 10, 2018 11:24 AM (TAmPV)

14 I hope Trump does not read comments bellow his tweets. Like falling into a sewer [i imagine]

Posted by: runner at November 10, 2018 11:24 AM (bUjCl)

15 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 10, 2018 11:24 AM (c6dBV)

16 My grandfather, the taller man above

Not only is he taller, he is less goofy-looking.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 11:25 AM (4HMW8)

17 Why don't you scroll through the rest of this Elisheva Avitul character's twitter feed. Those are some very sobering and timely pictures of Kristallnacht. But below the images you link, this woman is justifying the attack on Tucker Carlson's family, holding Jim Acosta up as a martyr, and comparing today's "refugees" and the homeless to Jews in 1930s Germany. This woman looks at historical pictures of jews and sees today's Somalians. She looks at today's conservative US jews and sees nazis.

She and her ilk are looking at these images and mentally preparing themselves for violence, playacting to themselves that they are persecuted and targeted and that they need to fight back against the "nazis" in their hometowns. "Nazis" which include you and me. That's what they mean when they say "never again."

Why are you linking her without noting any of this? You're sharing her propaganda. You're sleepwalking.

Posted by: ghost of kari at November 10, 2018 11:25 AM (sd1SN)

18 Dear Lord, feeling old. I have had the joy to enjoy beer with two veterans of the Great War, on opposing sides, one a Brit, and one an Austrian who got mixed up in that little Alpine mess. They are all gone now. The Brit was my Mom and Dad's neighbor, serving from 1914 till the end. The Austrian was "Old Vic" a fixture in our town.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 10, 2018 11:25 AM (xzqr4)

19
(I was about to say this on the other thread, but this one will do as well.)

It is a good thing to remember why the Marines are called Leathernecks.

Posted by: mindful webworker's ~~historical~~ hysterical expertise at November 10, 2018 11:25 AM (moQbY)

20 I hope Trump does not read comments bellow his tweets. Like falling into a sewer [i imagine]
Posted by: runner at November 10, 2018 11:24 AM (bUjCl)

He reads all the replies, notes the names, and remembers every one. He does not forget them.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 10, 2018 11:26 AM (t+qrx)

21 Today I honor my dad - Army - 1950s. He was sent to Germany, saw no action in Korea. Also my buddy who was deployed to Iraq. He survived that assignment and enjoyed another 6 years on earth before he died suddenly of a heart attack.

Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2018 11:26 AM (YIHHg)

22 I hope Trump does not read comments bellow his tweets. Like falling into a sewer [i imagine]
Posted by: runner at November 10, 2018 11:24 AM (bUjCl)

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I hope he reads them and draws energy from them. When you're taking flak you're directly over the target and all that.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 10, 2018 11:27 AM (I16G8)

23 Wynn cannot count as first!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 10, 2018 11:16 AM

Looks like it's an early thread for you.

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 10, 2018 11:27 AM (J+aRF)

24 I can't stand modern art but the Tower of London had the Poppy flowers for each soldier that died during the Great War was both beautiful and so so sad.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 10, 2018 11:27 AM (dKiJG)

25
Not only is he taller, he is less goofy-looking.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 11:25 AM (4HMW

And he made the better choice on the life vest. The goofy guy's life vest looks flimsy

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 10, 2018 11:28 AM (TAmPV)

26 It is worth while sometimes to die, if death will serve to help others. When we think too much of our comfort we expose ourselves to more danger by disintegration than we do when we make a brave fight and face every danger and exposure.

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And this is why no one will fight back what we're facing now. No one willing to make the sacrifice of time, comfort, or well-being. No one wanting to get off the Xanex to start feeling real emotions. No one will fight because the media will disapprove and try to make them look bad.

Posted by: Soona at November 10, 2018 11:29 AM (Fs5vw)

27 Has anyone ever read the nasty responses to the president's tweet's? Bejeebus! Smug assh*les getting patriotic all of a sudden.

Posted by: Tuna at November 10, 2018 11:29 AM (jm1YL)

28 BTW, if cobs are watching, some troll swung through and left some nasty ass stuff after the nood in the ONT. Probably hoping to reflect poorly on the rest of us. Gotta go have a good day everyone.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2018 11:29 AM (5aX2M)

29 One of the funniest things here at the HQ is when the troll droppings get edited.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 11:31 AM (4HMW8)

30 Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:11 AM

Wow! Was that on purpose or just an amazing coincidence??

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:31 AM (cY3LT)

31 >>>President Trump is in Paris, preparing to celebrate.

Some of the comments on PDT's Twitter thread are so divisive and hateful toward him.

Posted by: m at November 10, 2018 11:31 AM (1cK+7)

32
Has anyone ever read the nasty responses to the president's tweet's? Bejeebus! Smug assh*les getting patriotic all of a sudden.

Posted by: Tuna at November 10, 2018 11:29 AM (jm1YL)

It's a well financed operation.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 10, 2018 11:32 AM (TAmPV)

33 No One of Consequence (#12):We all wish your mom a swift and relatively painless recovery from her cracked ribs, but can you please convince her to retire and let someone else take her place on the Supreme Court?

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at November 10, 2018 11:32 AM (hqXzu)

34 Re: Vietnam vet moved at being recognized. Roger Staubach spoke at length about his service as a logistics officer in support of the Marines. It was clear he was still bothered by the disrespect that greeted Vietnam vets upon their return.

Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2018 11:32 AM (YIHHg)

35 The WWI Museum in Kansas City is having a big celebration this weekend. They've been lighting up the Liberty Memorial and the wall in front of it with poppies. It's beautiful! If you're ever in KC, you must visit the museum. It's so well done! It's one of my favorite places to take visitors.

Here's a link to an article about the poppies with a beautiful picture.
https://tinyurl.com/y9kf2o9c

Posted by: NavyMom at November 10, 2018 11:33 AM (kqqrA)

36 '' I can't stand modern art but the Tower of London had the Poppy flowers for each soldier that died during the Great War was both beautiful and so so sad.''

That was something wasn't it?

Posted by: Tuna at November 10, 2018 11:33 AM (jm1YL)

37 You're sharing her propaganda. You're sleepwalking.
Posted by: ghost of kari at November 10, 2018 11:25 AM (sd1SN)

Nope. Had you not dug any further, I would not know any of what you are saying is in the rest of this woman's life. Her worldview.

That she distorts and misunderstands the history of what happened to her own people, does not change the truth of what was posted here.

The photos on that thread are amazing and moving and true.

You are welcome to dig further into the poster. And obviously you did. It doesn't change the truth of what those pictures are. And were.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:36 AM (cY3LT)

38 I once thought about enlisting when I was in college. In retrospect, after watching the shit our idiot politicians put the military through, I'm glad I didn't. But I am thankful for all who served.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2018 11:36 AM (NWiLs)

39 11am Paris time is 4am here. I think I may awaken early tomorrow to pay my respects on the hour in question.

Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I recommend The Courage To Be Disliked at November 10, 2018 11:36 AM (lLeln)

40 Scott now down to 13,400!

Posted by: HA at November 10, 2018 11:37 AM (MAstk)

41 Here are some additional posts from Elisheva Avitul's twitter feed:
"You know how this goes," said Kellyanne Conway, offering startlingly perfunctory condolences from White House in aftermath of Thousand Oaks shooting, and tacit acknowledgement that this administration considers regular mass shootings a normal part of news cycle.
Tel's mother delivered an emotional plea for stricter gun laws after his death: "I don't want prayers. I don't want thoughts. I want gun control."
Obama sparring with reporters is what "civility" actually looks like: people, who may disagree, respectfully hashing out a challenging issue. To Trump, "civility" and "professionalism" are fealty and sycophancy.
@wkamaubell Lot of people on both sides are rushing to Tucker Carlson's defense like there are prizes involved. How about you have the same energy when he targets people, especially when those people don't have the privilege or the budgets to defend themselves.
Elisheva Avital Retweeted hp podcasts This thread is the best refutation of "good guy with a gun"

Do you know who you're reading? Do you know who you're sharing? Are you hearing leftist platitudes and still assuming they mean "everyone" when they say "diversity and inclusion" and they mean "peace" when they say "civility"?

Have a great weekend everybody.

Posted by: ghost of kari at November 10, 2018 11:38 AM (sd1SN)

42 Reflecting on the voting debacle, doesn't it seem sometimes that life is just one big cheat? A swindle going on right in front of us?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2018 11:38 AM (NWiLs)

43 Repost from last night because I've been pondering this:

Here's the thing about history. We've been here before. We've seen the KKK terrorize Republicans, black and white; Nazism rise in Germany; riots in the 60s.

We have all these events to study. Is there anything we've learned in hindsight that would have prevented them? Something we could game out for the present challenges?

It just seems weird that there is nothing we can do within the bounds of our constitution, social contract, and/or legal system.

The only tactical lesson I can see is don't let anyone confiscate your defensive tools.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 11:38 AM (4HMW8)

44 The tragic part of the thread you presented, KT, is that Elisheva Avitul appears to be an NPC, condoning Antifa violence against Tucker Carlson (doesn't she see the parallels?) a few tweets before the start of the thread.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 11:39 AM (EbOpT)

45 also a canteen of water so if ship went down we would not get thirsty in the sea.

Heh. They were hoping none of them realized how freaking cold the Atlantic is. "Oh, I'll be fine! Got my canteen."

Posted by: t-bird at November 10, 2018 11:40 AM (NAs56)

46 A swindle going on right in front of us?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2018 11:38 AM (NWiLs)

Insom, what's really telling is that they don't try to hide it.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 11:40 AM (4HMW8)

47 My grandfather (who we called Daddy Con) served in WWI.

Here are some stories we collected from things he told various relatives and other information I was able to glean from other sources.

https://justformyboys.blogspot.com/2012/03/19b.html

Posted by: Hank Archer at November 10, 2018 11:40 AM (xU3UO)

48 Reflecting on the voting debacle, doesn't it seem sometimes that life is just one big cheat? A swindle going on right in front of us?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2018 11:38 AM (NWiLs)

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This is what I am feeling these days. I am fine with the fact that life can be unfair. I am not fine at all with the fact that it can be this rigged.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 10, 2018 11:41 AM (I16G8)

49
A day of remembrance here, a visit to a marker to pay tribute to a man known only through several faded photos who made the ultimate sacrifice.

God bless you ALL who serve and have served.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 10, 2018 11:41 AM (S/hVx)

50 You are welcome to dig further into the poster. And obviously you did. It doesn't change the truth of what those pictures are. And were.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:36 AM (cY3LT)

Burt I don't want to stop anyone from posting holocaust imagery and I'm not complaining it was shown. But sharing a leftist's post about it without context and without realizing what you're seeing - which is a whole generation of young Americans who see that imagery as justification for marxist street violence - seems a lot to me like stopping to admire the rivet work on the Titanic as everyone rushes past you for the lifeboats.

Posted by: ghost of kari at November 10, 2018 11:41 AM (sd1SN)

51 If you get the chance Peter Jackson restored some WWI footage and fixed the timing so everyone isn't moving so fast, Film was expensive so they cranked it slowly.

BBC hired a lip reader for some WWI footage and it's eye opening. They knew that sound wasn't being recorded so they spoke freely.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 10, 2018 11:41 AM (dKiJG)

52 Getting ready to watch my traditional November 10 movie -- Sands of Iwo Jima.

Semper Fi and Happy Birthday to all my fellow Marines.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 10, 2018 11:43 AM (xsRa8)

53 BTW, if cobs are watching, some troll swung through and left some nasty ass stuff after the nood in the ONT. Probably hoping to reflect poorly on the rest of us. Gotta go have a good day everyone.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2018 11:29 AM (5aX2M)

Diversion, division, and eeyore tactics are out in full force everywhere on the web right now. Let's hope the whitehat spooks have a real plan to combat the voter fraud and street thug chess moves being made right now, because the left seems to think it's going down.

Posted by: ghost of kari at November 10, 2018 11:44 AM (sd1SN)

54 You are welcome to dig further into the poster. And obviously you did. It doesn't change the truth of what those pictures are. And were.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:36 AM (cY3LT)

Burt I don't want to stop anyone from posting holocaust imagery and I'm not complaining it was shown. But sharing a leftist's post about it without context and without realizing what you're seeing - which is a whole generation of young Americans who see that imagery as justification for marxist street violence - seems a lot to me like stopping to admire the rivet work on the Titanic as everyone rushes past you for the lifeboats.
Posted by: ghost of kari at November 10, 2018 11:41 AM (sd1SN)

There's also an opportunity to let both of these things speak for themselves.

This is what real nazi oppression looks like: Photos of Kristallnacht.

This is what today's left is saying is the moral equivalent: Show one of Trump's tweets calling CNN "fake news."

Let the left keep calling one thing the other. People can and will see the truth for themselves.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:46 AM (cY3LT)

55 I don't mind if BLM holds their own kristallnacts, as long as they keep doing it to their own neighborhoods.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 10, 2018 11:47 AM (/qEW2)

56 I did basic training as a draftee in 1970 on Tank Hill at Ft. Jackson, SC. While there, one of my fellow trainees received a letter & package from his grandfather. The letter told of his grandfather arriving at Camp Jackson and being given a newspaper for his bed & blanket. Amenities were harsh to say the least. As the first WWI draft arrivals, their first job was to build the barracks in which we were living over 50 years later; hot water & a vent van being the only improvements made since. The package contained original maps that his grandfather, a cartographer, had made during his time in Europe. And there we were: History, unlearned, repeated, like the hell it is.

Posted by: twolaneflash at November 10, 2018 11:48 AM (SGkKn)

57
On Saturday GOP Chairperson Ronna McDaniel went on with Neil Cavuto to whine about Democrats stealing the Florida governor and senate seats.

She offered no solutions.

Meanwhile, Democrats are stealing the election in Florida.

Of course she doesn't. She has Romney DNA.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 10, 2018 11:48 AM (r9UYA)

58 This is what I am feeling these days. I am fine with the fact that life can be unfair. I am not fine at all with the fact that it can be this rigged.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 10, 2018 11:41 AM (I16G

It's the rigged part that bothers me as well, but it bothers me more that people who know it's bloody well rigged keep telling us that it's fair. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2018 11:48 AM (NWiLs)

59 Researching a family history often turns up surprises. My great grandfather came here alone from England; I found that he had several siblings, a younger brother served in the British army in WWI and died in Irag. He's actually buried in a Brit military cemetery right outside Baghdad. I found that out in time to enter his name in the roll call at the Tower of London, and I have one of those ceramic poppies from the display.

I also found that a cousin of my grandmother had married a US army sergeant who had been in the Spanish American war and promoted when the army was rapidly expanded for WWI. He was KIA Nov 5 1918 during the Meuse-Argonne offensive, at Montfaucon, I think it was.

Several generations on no one had remembered any of this; when I come across things like this now I keep the records so it doesn't get forgotten again.

Posted by: Lirio100 at November 10, 2018 11:49 AM (JK7Jw)

60 Nov 11 is basically the equivalent of Memorial Day in the Commonwealth because WWI had a much bigger impact on those countries than it did on the USA. It's poppy day.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at November 10, 2018 11:50 AM (xgKf4)

61 55 I don't mind if BLM holds their own kristallnacts, as long as they keep doing it to their own neighborhoods.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 10, 2018 11:47 AM (/qEW2)

Unfortunately, there seems to be an un-redirect-able feedback loop going on. Riots, destruction, "look what the unfair system did to us", more riots because it's unfair.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 11:51 AM (4HMW8)

62 54 Let the left keep calling one thing the other. People can and will see the truth for themselves.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:46 AM (cY3LT)

If they could, we wouldn't be sitting on the edge of a cold civil war begging for a flashpoint to go hot.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 10, 2018 11:51 AM (pgXNG)

63 I don't mind if BLM holds their own kristallnacts, as long as they keep doing it to their own neighborhoods.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 10, 2018 11:47 AM (/qEW2)

That's just it. They're expanding to the suburbs. Who do you think was surrounding Tucker Carlson's house? It was an offshoot of BLM.

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. You gonna fight? Or will you wait for the "law" to defend you?

Posted by: Sooner at November 10, 2018 11:52 AM (Fs5vw)

64 Surfperch at November 10, 2018 11:39 AM

Wow. That is ironic. Contrast with last night's ONT. Some people have blinders on.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at November 10, 2018 11:52 AM (BVQ+1)

65 Should we honor the service of the Resistance too? You know, because surrounding Tucker Carlson's house and screaming at his wife was as bad as Okinawa, the Chosin Reservoir, Khe Sanh, or Fallujah. All one and the same.

Posted by: pep at November 10, 2018 11:53 AM (T6t7i)

66 In WWI, one of my grandfathers commanded a sub chaser off NY, the other flew a SPAD. The latter took quite a few pictures, most of which I have. They include one of Guynemer's SPAD. He did talk about his experiences.

Almost all my father's friends were WWII vets, mostly Pacific, with a high proportion of Navy pilots. When they got drinking, the stories came out. It was like Dryden's lines
"Soothed with the sound, the king grew vain;
Fought all his battles o'er again,
And thrice he routed all his foes, and thrice he slew the slain!"

One who didn't often talk about it was a Marine who was at Guadacanal. He did mention watching the ships fighting at night, and said it determined who got to eat the next day.

They're all gone now, alas.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 10, 2018 11:53 AM (59GGI)

67 If you get the chance Peter Jackson restored some WWI footage and fixed the timing so everyone isn't moving so fast, Film was expensive so they cranked it slowly.

BBC hired a lip reader for some WWI footage and it's eye opening. They knew that sound wasn't being recorded so they spoke freely.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 10, 2018 11:41 AM (dKiJG)

You've seen the film? The trailer is worth watching.

Looks amazing. Release dates for the US are next month.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:53 AM (cY3LT)

68 58 It's the rigged part that bothers me as well, but it bothers me more that people who know it's bloody well rigged keep telling us that it's fair. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2018 11:48 AM (NWiLs)

See, that's not what I'm hearing.

What I'm hearing is "Well, you're the stupid idiot who refuses to start rigging it in your favor! If the only way to win is to cheat, START CHEATING!"

Posted by: Hikaru at November 10, 2018 11:53 AM (pgXNG)

69 Unfortunately, there seems to be an un-redirect-able feedback loop going on. Riots, destruction, "look what the unfair system did to us", more riots because it's unfair.
Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 11:51 AM (4HMW

The Left loves this, of course, because it's a self-maintaining way to keep them unhappy and looking for government rescue.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 11:53 AM (4HMW8)

70 My grandfather told me this story--no, he didn't serve in WW1, he was a just a lad.

One bright, blue November morning he and some of his chums decided to cut school, intending to go fishing and do the sorts of things young boys did in 1918. But they had barely gotten their fishing poles and things together before they heard loud cheers and the peals of laughter and excitement of children pouring out of the local school--where he and his friends SHOULD have been. As they they walked up the main road towards the park, they were asked what the fuss was all about and were told , "Haven't you heard? The war is over and school is out for the day."

Whenever he told the story he was always like, "Of all the days to decide to play hooky...."

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2018 11:54 AM (NFEMn)

71 13
The flowery curtains on the window make quite a contrast to the gravity of the subject.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 10, 2018 11:24 AM (TAmPV)

An ette did the decorating.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 10, 2018 11:55 AM (+6jVU)

72 That's just it. They're expanding to the suburbs. Who do you think was surrounding Tucker Carlson's house? It was an offshoot of BLM.

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. You gonna fight? Or will you wait for the "law" to defend you?

Posted by: Sooner at November 10, 2018 11:52 AM (Fs5vw)

Let them hit the soccer moms and their beta male husbands who think it's soooo hip to vote Democrat and love love love to support leftist causes from the safety of their suburbs. I've got a few burbs they can start with.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 10, 2018 11:55 AM (SiINZ)

73 Just popping in to commemorate those who served and say Happy Birthday to the Corps.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 10, 2018 11:56 AM (13CQC)

74 Let the left keep calling one thing the other. People can and will see the truth for themselves.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:46 AM (cY3LT)

If they could, we wouldn't be sitting on the edge of a cold civil war begging for a flashpoint to go hot.
Posted by: Hikaru at November 10, 2018 11:51 AM (pgXNG)

One of the main reasons why we are on this edge is because we've relied on a Republican Party to fight back.

They've spent most of the last 30 or so years not doing that, and the left has slowly crept forward. I realize it's impossible to predict, and it's hard to see exactly what is going on now, because we're in the middle of it, but I do think a turning point is happening.

The left will not benefit from the spotlight being shown on them, and their tactics... and their beliefs. The more people do things like taking video of them pulling bags of ballots out of the trunks of cars, the less they'll be able to keep doing it.

Yes, we are at war. Which means fighting. The political right has been slowly awakening to that fact.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:57 AM (cY3LT)

75 Jessica Tarlov on Cavuto is looking more n more Frankensteinian everyday. Equivocating the behavior of leftists will eventually cause your soul to boil away n leave you a husk.

Posted by: BluesFish at November 10, 2018 11:57 AM (ZbgM0)

76 God bless you ALL who serve and have served.

Posted by: irongrampa

Thanks Irongrampa and thank you too.

Posted by: JT at November 10, 2018 11:58 AM (c6dBV)

77 51
If you get the chance Peter Jackson restored some WWI footage and fixed
the timing so everyone isn't moving so fast, Film was expensive so they
cranked it slowly.

BBC hired a lip reader for some WWI footage and it's eye opening.
They knew that sound wasn't being recorded so they spoke freely.

I've been waiting for this for some time. First movie I've really WANTED to see in a theater in ages. Hopefully, the lip readers aren't the "Bad Lip Reading" guys, although that might be amusing.

Posted by: pep at November 10, 2018 11:58 AM (T6t7i)

78 Afternoon all ( well here on the east coast it is after noon so maybe I will have a drink)

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 10, 2018 11:58 AM (Fh8wK)

79 >>>70 My grandfather told me this story--no, he didn't serve in WW1, he was a just a lad.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2018 11:54 AM (NFEMn)

Thanks, Joe F. and his granddad.

Posted by: m at November 10, 2018 11:58 AM (1cK+7)

80 Surfperch at November 10, 2018 11:39 AM

I think she may have spent too much time in a university.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at November 10, 2018 11:58 AM (BVQ+1)

81

Greetings fappers and fappees.

A big shout out to our veterans.

And also to the Marine Corps, a military branch that was born in a bar. You can't get much more American than that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 10, 2018 11:59 AM (HaL55)

82 https://youtu.be/LkWo66a2DBU

Posted by: James Hooker, Nipple Whisperer at November 10, 2018 11:59 AM (tPC7s)

83 Let them hit the soccer moms and their beta male husbands who think it's soooo hip to vote Democrat and love love love to support leftist causes from the safety of their suburbs. I've got a few burbs they can start with.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 10, 2018 11:55 AM (SiINZ)

Among those people you wish this on are people who believe as we do. Aren't they worth defending?

Posted by: Sooner at November 10, 2018 11:59 AM (Fs5vw)

84 >>72
Let them hit the soccer moms and their beta male
husbands who think it's soooo hip to vote Democrat and love love love to
support leftist causes from the safety of their suburbs. I've got a few
burbs they can start with.

Posted by: TheQuietMan

This. Nothing will change until these people become 'uncomfortable.'

Posted by: Under Fire at November 10, 2018 12:00 PM (r9UYA)

85 I wonder when the dirty little secret that the wildfires are being strategically set by terrorists will come out?

These wildfires are being set at peak times and at peak places for damage. Trump is correct, the environmental activists are directly to blame for the stupid policies of the Forest Service's management of the California wildfire problem. The terrorists know that the region is ripe for devastating fires.

Posted by: catman at November 10, 2018 12:00 PM (mGbtv)

86 I just finished carrying the American flag in a color guard for our city's Veterans' Day parade. Seeing the vets standing aside salute the flag does a feeling in me I can't explain.

I found recently that a great-grand-uncle on my father's side fought in the Great War during the Hundred Day Offensive. The papers of what we have say he was wounded by a machine gun in the "Toul Front" on September 12, 1918. He lived till October 4 in a hospital.

My grandmother said his father didn't want his body back in America because his mother may have lost it, seeing her son in a box.

Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at November 10, 2018 12:00 PM (cZ+1z)

87 42 Reflecting on the voting debacle, doesn't it seem sometimes that life is just one big cheat? A swindle going on right in front of us?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2018 11:38 AM (NWiLs)

Life's a crap shoot. You pay your money and take your chances....doesn't mean you can't study the game and get better odds. Imho.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 10, 2018 12:01 PM (+6jVU)

88 We moved my Dad into a retirement home a few months ago, and in the process of sorting through boxes of his old stuff, I came across a gold pocketwatch. Dad told me that it belonged to the father of one of his cousins who served in WWI. It's got the emblem of the Blackwatch etched in the case. The Blackwatch is one of the (if not THE) premier British units, and the originals were completely wiped out during the war. I so wish I'd met and talked to the man. What stories he could tell.

Posted by: pep at November 10, 2018 12:01 PM (T6t7i)

89
Re: Vietnam vet moved at being recognized. Roger Staubach spoke at length about his service as a logistics officer in support of the Marines. It was clear he was still bothered by the disrespect that greeted Vietnam vets upon their return.

Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2018 11:32 AM

I was of draft age back then, not personally eager to risk my life for some battle the French had abandoned, but the disrespect to those who were drafted and had no choice in the matter was despicable. I suppose those were the forerunners of the current leftists/anarchists.

As to Jane Fonda, who prolonged the war, gave aid and comfort to the enemy, no half-hearted apology will ever suffice.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 10, 2018 12:01 PM (URwyc)

90 Let them hit the soccer moms and their beta male husbands who think it's soooo hip to vote Democrat and love love love to support leftist causes from the safety of their suburbs. I've got a few burbs they can start with.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 10, 2018 11:55 AM (SiINZ)

Yes. Terrorize the "wine women."

You would think that some of them--the ones with sons anyway--would have learned something from Kavanaugh. But no. The peer pressure from "the other girls" is just too much for some of these women to deal with.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2018 12:01 PM (NFEMn)

91 I shot a commercial on the Hornet playing the captain, when they took me below to get my uniform, they brought me in a room that was full of boxes of Apollo stuff, survival gear for water , etc. just sitting there waiting for God knows what

Posted by: mb at November 10, 2018 12:02 PM (/lb39)

92 Correction: I don't know why I was thinking of the Black Watch, although that was certainly a storied unit. It was the Coldstream Guards.

Posted by: pep at November 10, 2018 12:02 PM (T6t7i)

93 The left will not benefit from the spotlight being shown on them, and their tactics... and their beliefs. The more people do things like taking video of them pulling bags of ballots out of the trunks of cars, the less they'll be able to keep doing it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:57 AM (cY3LT)

The only people who see those videos are those of us in the conservative ghetto.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 12:02 PM (4HMW8)

94 Let them hit the soccer moms and their beta male
husbands who think it's soooo hip to vote Democrat and love love love to support leftist causes from the safety of their suburbs. I've got a few burbs they can start with.

Posted by: TheQuietMan

This. Nothing will change until these people become 'uncomfortable.'

Posted by: Under Fire at November 10, 2018 12:00 PM (r9UYA)

They'll just move out to gated communities and continue supporting this.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 12:02 PM (EbOpT)

95 I heard part of Mark Levin's show last night, and he was talking about the media calling something Trump did as a "constitutional crisis" and a "broken glass moment". I don't know exactly what he was referring to, but he said that the use of the phrase "broken glass moment" on the anniversary of Kristallnacht was no coincidence. It was a deliberate attempt to conflate Trump with the Nazis.

Posted by: rickl at November 10, 2018 12:03 PM (sdi6R)

96 Life's a crap shoot. You pay your money and take your chances....doesn't mean you can't study the game and get better odds. Imho.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 10, 2018 12:01 PM (+6jVU)

I get the gambling analogy, but it's really different than that. It's not a crap shoot--which is basically chance and luck. No it's rigged.
The dealer and the some of the other players are in on the con, but not you. You're the mark.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2018 12:04 PM (NFEMn)

97 Among those people you wish this on are people who believe as we do. Aren't they worth defending?

Posted by: Sooner at November 10, 2018 11:59 AM (Fs5vw)

I'm talking about the twats in the Chicago northshore who are ultra leftists. They would support Pol Pot if he had a D after his name and think all lefty causes are soooo trendy and Republicans are all Nazis. And the stupid kunts who have infested DuPage County too. They're too fucking stupid to see the damage they're doing by supporting this. So let them see it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 10, 2018 12:04 PM (SiINZ)

98 Let them hit the soccer moms and their beta male
husbands who think it's soooo hip to vote Democrat and love love love to
support leftist causes from the safety of their suburbs. I've got a few
burbs they can start with.

Posted by: TheQuietMan

This. Nothing will change until these people become 'uncomfortable.'

Posted by: Under Fire at November 10, 2018 12:00 PM (r9UYA)

It's funny. I work right smack dab in the middle of the race war. Seriously, right in the middle of it.

Then I go home to suburbia, where there is none of it. Nothing happens, and it probably never will. Until the zombie apocalypse.

It really is like two different worlds.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 12:05 PM (cY3LT)

99 As to Jane Fonda, who prolonged the war, gave aid and comfort to the enemy, no half-hearted apology will ever suffice.
Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at November 10, 2018 12:01 PM (URwyc)

I heard something about her in the 90s, after her divorce from Turner, that made it sound like she was doing some soul-searching and coming around. But what I've seen since then tells me it didn't stick. Maybe she couldn't find her soul.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 12:05 PM (4HMW8)

100 You are welcome to dig further into the poster. And obviously you did. It doesn't change the truth of what those pictures are. And were.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:36 AM (cY3LT)

Yeah, but there are lots of other photos of WWII & the Holocaust that you could link to, ones that don't link to a person who thinks that we are the new Nazis.

Posted by: josephistan at November 10, 2018 12:05 PM (Izzlo)

101 Am sitting in my local American Legion as I read this. Thanks to all of you that served and to those of you that support veterans in any way, shape, shape or form.

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 10, 2018 12:06 PM (revnQ)

102 They'll just move out to gated communities and continue supporting this.
Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 12:02 PM (EbOpT)

Yes. As long as they have somewhere else to run to, they can stay one or two steps ahead of the mob.
That's how they think.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2018 12:06 PM (NFEMn)

103 I have a photo of my mother's father in a WWI Army uniform, but I don't know anything about his service, other than he was in France. I was 9 years old when he died.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 10, 2018 12:06 PM (d6Ksn)

104 I heard part of Mark Levin's show last night, and he was talking about the media calling something Trump did as a "constitutional crisis" and a "broken glass moment". I don't know exactly what he was referring to, but he said that the use of the phrase "broken glass moment" on the anniversary of Kristallnacht was no coincidence. It was a deliberate attempt to conflate Trump with the Nazis.
Posted by: rickl at November 10, 2018 12:03 PM (sdi6R)

I'm guessing it was taking away the hall pass from the goober who shoved that girl.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 12:07 PM (cY3LT)

105 The terrorists know that the region is ripe for devastating fires.

Posted by: catman at November 10, 2018 12:00 PM (mGbtv)

I just saw a documentary about the Japs sending balloon bombs into the Jet Stream in WWII across 5000 miles to Oregon/Wash to start forest fires. Ingenious . 9000 sent made of rice paper. About 1000 made it. Best time for the current wrong time for landing in the forest. Too wet.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 10, 2018 12:07 PM (+6jVU)

106 Heya friends, gonna go wash up a bit and then head out and punch today in the fist with my face. Don't start anything without me.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 10, 2018 12:08 PM (t+qrx)

107 I have a photo of my mother's father in a WWI Army uniform, but I don't know anything about his service, other than he was in France. I was 9 years old when he died.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at November 10, 2018 12:06 PM (d6Ksn)

There were people in that thread who were talking about family members whose service they know nothing about. Best recommendation possible:

archives.gov

Go there, request his records. As long as you have basic identifying info, you are allowed to request them.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 12:08 PM (cY3LT)

108 One thing I hate about this site is the way, just as I click comments, it loves to jump so I end up in the previous thread.

At the time, I argued Fonda should be locked up in St Elizabeth's Hospital, just like Ezra Pound had been. (I will give her points for the opening of Barbarella, but she was all downhill from there.)

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 10, 2018 12:08 PM (59GGI)

109 Reflecting on the voting debacle, doesn't it seem sometimes that life is just one big cheat? A swindle going on right in front of us?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2018 11:38 AM (NWiLs)

I'm tired of being the one who follows the rules and is vilified for it. More than that, I'm punished for it. And that isn't just from this election nonsense, it's everything. I feel like the sucker who believed the lies when everyone else was in on it and profited.

Posted by: G. Gnome, GNOMCO Home Defense System and Turkey Fryer Salesgnome at November 10, 2018 12:09 PM (IDosC)

110 All EV by law must be reported after polls close Tuesday. All votes in FL must be reported by noon Saturday. Broward still showing EV only Partial on SOS site.

Posted by: Ever at November 10, 2018 12:09 PM (XrUKk)

111
These wildfires are being set at peak times and at peak places for damage. Trump is correct, the environmental activists are directly to blame for the stupid policies of the Forest Service's management of the California wildfire problem. The terrorists know that the region is ripe for devastating fires.

Posted by: catman at November

In Los Angeles it's more of the devlopers fault than environmentalist. They're building secluded communities of custom built homes in windswept canyons full of sagebrush. Those canyons are tinder boxes one downed powerline away from an inferno.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 10, 2018 12:09 PM (TAmPV)

112

Yes. As long as they have somewhere else to run to, they can stay one or two steps ahead of the mob.

That's how they think.

They have the money to be able to avoid any unpleasantries that may arise. Must be nice...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 10, 2018 12:09 PM (HaL55)

113 Scott lead down to 12,562

Posted by: HA at November 10, 2018 12:10 PM (MAstk)

114 Must comment before reading all the above.
First God bless our veterans and the future ones.
Second, if I hear "Count every vote" again, I will puke.
Let's count every LEGAL vote according to the law.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at November 10, 2018 12:10 PM (eSjNR)

115 All EV by law must be reported after polls close
Tuesday. All votes in FL must be reported by noon Saturday. Broward
still showing EV only Partial on SOS site.

Posted by: Ever at November 10, 2018 12:09 PM (XrUKk)

Palm Beach too.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 10, 2018 12:10 PM (F/KeJ)

116 Y'all remember the videotaped incidence when a lefty activist attacked a Trump supporter and the Trumpist retaliated? There was a fist and pepper spray involved, but I forget who did which.

Anyway, my rabid-lefty relative threw that in my face while accusing conservatives of being violent. She was aware of the video but only after being edited to leave out the lefty instigation.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 12:11 PM (4HMW8)

117 Our veterans must be horrified by the victim mentality so many of us share.

Get off your ass and make a difference. Every. Single. Day.

And stop with the excuses. And the unfairness of life.

Today is the ninth anniversary of my dad's suicide. And I am not a victim of his alcoholic bullshit abuse any longer.

Fuck that shit.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 10, 2018 12:11 PM (lyBUc)

118 80 Surfperch at November 10, 2018 11:39 AM

I think she may have spent too much time in a university.
Posted by: KTbarthedoor at November 10, 2018 11:58 AM (BVQ+1)

Nice analysis!

Posted by: m at November 10, 2018 12:11 PM (1cK+7)

119 >>85
I wonder when the dirty little secret that the wildfires are being strategically set by terrorists will come out?

I heard a former homeowner from the past summers wildfires on a talk show. He says there are a lot of towns not issuing re-build permits until certain expensive requirements are met. Of course these are the nicest areas. He was pretty much forced to leave for other parts to re-build. Only the people who can afford the newly priced build permits will re-build in the wildfire areas.

They're pushing out the deplorables.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 10, 2018 12:12 PM (r9UYA)

120 All EV by law must be reported after polls close Tuesday. All votes in FL must be reported by noon Saturday. Broward still showing EV only Partial on SOS site.
Posted by: Ever at November 10, 2018 12:09 PM (XrUKk)

They are just saying "Fuck you fuck you fuck you. Try to stop us."

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2018 12:12 PM (NFEMn)

121 The terrorists know that the region is ripe for devastating fires.

Posted by: catman at November 10, 2018 12:00 PM (mGbtv)

I just saw a documentary about the Japs sending balloon bombs into the Jet Stream in WWII across 5000 miles to Oregon/Wash to start forest fires. Ingenious . 9000 sent made of rice paper. About 1000 made it. Best time for the current wrong time for landing in the forest. Too wet.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 10, 2018 12:07 PM (+6jVU)

Yes, I have a vague recollection of reading about that. Apparently it was terrifying at first, when people saw them coming. Had no idea what they were or why they were floating in. Not much damage, but some, if I recall correctly.

This time of year I always think about a fella I knew, I hope he's still alive. Talked about what it was like to be a teenager on a vessel near the east coast, looking out for German subs. No one had any idea if they were there, how many of them might be there, and whether a massive invasion was coming, literally right under their noses.

I guess it was the same on the west coast.

I love the movie, 1941. I know it's terrible. Stupid and irreverent, but it also does a fairly good job of capturing that level of paranoia.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 12:13 PM (cY3LT)

122 Has anyone heard from IC? She was separated from her family last night by the wildfires. I'm a bit worried.

Posted by: G. Gnome, GNOMCO Home Defense System and Turkey Fryer Salesgnome at November 10, 2018 12:13 PM (IDosC)

123
Nov 11 is basically the equivalent of Memorial Day in the Commonwealth
because WWI had a much bigger impact on those countries than it did on
the USA. It's poppy day.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at November 10, 2018 11:50 AM

---

And that's why all of the VFW's do those poppy drives this weekend.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 10, 2018 12:13 PM (JUOKG)

124 I'm tired of being the one who follows the rules and is vilified for it. More than that, I'm punished for it. And that isn't just from this election nonsense, it's everything. I feel like the sucker who believed the lies when everyone else was in on it and profited.
Posted by: G. Gnome, GNOMCO Home Defense System and Turkey Fryer Salesgnome at November 10, 2018 12:09 PM (IDosC)

Sometimes it's impossibly tough being the good guy. The Bible talks about that a lot.

Posted by: Sooner at November 10, 2018 12:13 PM (Fs5vw)

125
So it's past noon in Florida

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 10, 2018 12:13 PM (TAmPV)

126 The Air Quality here is rated as 'Unhealthy', I guess that puts a bit of a damper on my plans for the day.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 12:14 PM (EbOpT)

127 My grandfather volunteered on the first day. They wouldn't take him because he was too skinny. So he went ahead and got married. She fattened him up and he was drafted.

He had a relatively easy time in France. My grandmother's brother didn't make it back.

Posted by: Cisco Kid at November 10, 2018 12:14 PM (iXJM1)

128 Let them hit the soccer moms and their beta male
husbands who think it's soooo hip to vote Democrat and love love love to
support leftist causes from the safety of their suburbs. I've got a few
burbs they can start with.
Posted by: TheQuietMan

This. Nothing will change until these people become 'uncomfortable.'
Posted by: Under Fire

These are the same sorts of folks who don't have a problem with their daughters being raped and killed by brown people because social justice.

Besides, they're coming after us first.

Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I recommend The Courage To Be Disliked at November 10, 2018 12:14 PM (lLeln)

129 So it's past noon in Florida
....

Like the Dems give a fuck?

Posted by: HA at November 10, 2018 12:15 PM (MAstk)

130 109 Reflecting on the voting debacle, doesn't it seem sometimes that life is just one big cheat? A swindle going on right in front of us?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 10, 2018 11:38 AM (NWiLs)

I'm tired of being the one who follows the rules and is vilified for it. More than that, I'm punished for it. And that isn't just from this election nonsense, it's everything. I feel like the sucker who believed the lies when everyone else was in on it and profited.
Posted by: G. Gnome, GNOMCO Home Defense System and Turkey Fryer Salesgnome at November 10, 2018 12:09 PM (IDosC)

It's not quite so bad as you imply. The actual rules are good enough in this case, if only they be enforced.

Scott is partly to blame here. He really should have been before a judge as soon as they didn't meet the 30 minute rule.

I think that now it's up to Mitch. I would love it if he seated both Scott and McSally. Screw 'em.

The next step is serious DOJ investigations. Not "wake me when it's over" ones, real ones. With handcuffs and indictments. And not just in AZ and FL. Go look at NY. We may not be able to win there, but we can put a lot of Democrats behind bars. They haven't had an honest election in 150 years.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 10, 2018 12:15 PM (59GGI)

131 I found this letter from my Grandfather, who grew up on a farm in Perrydale Oregon, to his grandfather who had come across on a covered wagon.

It has the hand written note, "This is the best letter I ever received" on the cover.

It was written from France in November, 1918 (I have not included the signature block at the end)

France

Nov 24 1918

Dear Grandfather

This is the day designated for every soldier in France to write his father a Christmas letter, and as I have intended to write to you for some time, this is a splendid opportunity to do so. Since you have no son in France I'll have to act as such for today at least, since you surely deserve this letter.

I'm afraid I've been rather neglectful in writing to my relatives and friends, but I have had much to occupy my time and have depended much on my letters to my mother and father to carry news and my good wishes to those whom I think of often but fail to write to.

Now that the war is practically over, I am free to speak of some of my experiences as a soldier. I have had quite an interesting time since leaving the states, even though I have never come in contact with the enemy, except as prisoners. My share of the actual fighting took place on the way across when I served on the crew of a six-inch gun on the huge ship "Aquitania." These big guns, of which there were several, were manned by seamen of the Royal British Navy, and when they called for volunteers to help I jumped at the chance, because I wanted to be on the gun deck and help sink a submarine. Nothing happened until we were one day out of Liverpool, England, and we had been met by a fleet of American destroyers. We fought off about three in one day, and my gun did all the effective shooting, so we were personally commended by the Captain of the ship. The subs didn't even get a chance to shoot at us.

I had a fine mess and quarters on the big ship, but I crossed the English channel one stormy night on an old cattle boat, so France looked mighty good to me. It took two nights and a day to get to my first camp in France, which was a busy ammunition dump. Here I was first Sergeant of a company. and each morning and noon I lined up the entire camp and detailed them to their various duties. I stayed here two months, and then, after acting as a Sergeant of Military Police in a fair sized town for a short time I was sent down here on the coast, where I have been a machine-gun instructor for five months. I have been the senior instructor in my department and was up for a commission, but no more officers are being made now that the war is over.

Of course everyone is speculating on when we'll get home. I expect to start in that direction as soon as peace is declared but of course it's no small job to disband an army, let alone transporting it across the ocean. I don't allow myself to worry about it, but of course I want to get home and start working again as soon as possible. I am thinking seriously of going to college again next fall if I can get enough money together.

Mother wrote that you had helped them splendidly on their new place and I certainly appreciate it very much. She is so much to me, and has had so much ill-health and sorrow, and I've never done a thing for her. It seems mighty hard to be so far away from her, and I'm very grateful for what you have done.

Well, Grandfather, I'll have to close for tonight, but I hope to be with you soon, and then I can tell you more of my life in the army. I am in excellent health and I hope that you are enjoying the same blessing.

With best wishes for a very Merry Christmas and a bright Happy New Year. I am

Your Affectionate Grandson

Chester

Ordinance Armament School,
AEF France

Posted by: Kindltot at November 10, 2018 12:15 PM (mUa7G)

132 Building a home in lots of places in Commiefornia is as stupid as building a house in the shadow of an active volcano on the big island. Or in Key West, Florida.

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 10, 2018 12:16 PM (revnQ)

133
Y'all remember the videotaped incidence when a lefty activist attacked a
Trump supporter and the Trumpist retaliated? There was a fist and
pepper spray involved, but I forget who did which.

Anyway, my rabid-lefty relative threw that in my face while accusing
conservatives of being violent. She was aware of the video but only
after being edited to leave out the lefty instigation.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 12:11 PM (4HMW

Hopefully you set her straight (maybe even showed her the unedited video) Emmie.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 10, 2018 12:16 PM (F/KeJ)

134 One of those Japanese balloons made it all the way to Thermopolis, Wyoming. Caused a bit of a stir.

I actually wrote a short story that mentioned it, but I lost it in the Great Computer Crash of 2003. No hard copy. I was dumb that way.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 10, 2018 12:16 PM (TI8Od)

135
Like the Dems give a fuck?

Posted by: HA at November 10, 2018 12:15 PM (MAstk)

I know they don't but what is Rick Scott going to do? He's still the governor.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 10, 2018 12:16 PM (TAmPV)

136 So Democrats only need to find 12, 563 votes more then they can stop, suggest to start looking in feezers, if not there try the sock drawer.

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 12:17 PM (T4oHT)

137 The Air Quality here is rated as 'Unhealthy', I guess that puts a bit of a damper on my plans for the day.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 12:14 PM (EbOpT)
****************

It's all those humans exhaling.

Posted by: Cisco Kid at November 10, 2018 12:17 PM (iXJM1)

138 The SOS should certify the election night results to a vote, and the. Litigate about everything after. Wishful thinking, i know.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 10, 2018 12:17 PM (fYi9j)

139 I hope it's not the wrong place to ask this, but has anyone listened to the Serial podcast, season 2?

It's about Beau Bergdahl and his walkabout. I've only heard the first episode, and I'm going to listen all the way through. Have no idea what "message" the producers are going to want me to get, but the filmmaker who taped hours of conversation with Bergdahl, I figure it's worth hearing as much of it as I can.

Because I'm perfectly fine with convicting the guy of desertion, and possibly treason. I'd like to hear more though, because I really don't know.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 12:18 PM (cY3LT)

140 Posted by: Kindltot at November 10, 2018 12:15 PM (mUa7G)

That was a cool letter - - and so graciously written!

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 12:18 PM (4HMW8)

141 98 It's funny. I work right smack dab in the middle of the race war. Seriously, right in the middle of it.

Then I go home to suburbia, where there is none of it. Nothing happens, and it probably never will. Until the zombie apocalypse.

It really is like two different worlds.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 12:05 PM (cY3LT)

I'm beyond frustrated by the idea that when things do go hot, it's going to have to be by race.

Fuck no. I'm not allowing any of you to go there.

I am not BLM, I am not a criminal, and I am NOT an acceptable sacrifice.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 10, 2018 12:19 PM (pgXNG)

142 The Air Quality here is rated as 'Unhealthy', I guess that puts a bit of a damper on my plans for the day.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 12:14 PM (EbOpT)
*****************
It's all those humans exhaling.
Posted by: Cisco Kid at November 10, 2018 12:17 PM (iXJM1)

Strange how everyone's breath smells so much like burning live oak.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 12:20 PM (EbOpT)

143 There's also an opportunity to let both of these things speak for themselves.

This is what real nazi oppression looks like: Photos of Kristallnacht.

This is what today's left is saying is the moral equivalent: Show one of Trump's tweets calling CNN "fake news."

Let the left keep calling one thing the other. People can and will see the truth for themselves.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:46 AM (cY3LT)

While it's perfectly appropriate for "normals" to remember that night and contemplate what happened via the photos, leftists will *always* misinterpret those photos 180°. They will imagine themselves the victims and never perceive that they are adopting racist ideologies and brownshirt thug tactics.

When dealing with leftists, it might be more helpful to show photos of mass killings by Mao or Stalin. That gets the response "well, they just tried it wrong" which at least gets leftist to admit to themselves that it's possible that their getting it wrong, which is a start.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 10, 2018 12:20 PM (/qEW2)

144 Clever enough to post this topic on 11:11 on the 10TH. And make zero mention that today is the Marine Corps Birthday, some of the fightingest sumbitches in WW1

Posted by: rayra at November 10, 2018 12:20 PM (Pgsaa)

145 131

What a wonderful letter!

Thanks for sharing!

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 10, 2018 12:21 PM (O/gR7)

146

I know they don't but what is Rick Scott going to do? He's still the governor.

He supposedly has the law on his side. Plus, why didn't he and Pam Bondi not do something about Coward County's corruptocrats? What good is the law if no one will enforce it?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 10, 2018 12:22 PM (HaL55)

147 I've never even heard of "the Serial podcast."

But it does remind me of the 1980 movie with Martin Mull. A lot of fun. California was already bonkers.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 10, 2018 12:22 PM (59GGI)

148 Wynn lives more than ten miles from me. I hope.

Posted by: boulder terlit lord at November 10, 2018 12:22 PM (ykYG2)

149 @136

But here is the imposible thing, the votes are going 100 pct in one direction.

I know broward and dade are Democrat strong holds but are they seriously going to suggest that 100 pct of the "found" votes were for Nelson and Gillum?

Bullshit.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 10, 2018 12:24 PM (YAvbh)

150 Posted by: boulder terlit lord at November 10, 2018 12:22 PM (ykYG2)

Posted by: Surfperch at November 10, 2018 12:24 PM (EbOpT)

151 I had a great-uncle in France in WWI. He never talked about it- just that he prayed hard and vowed if he survived he's serve Jesus the rest od his life. He did and he did, a Jesus freak before there were any.

His brother, my grandfather, was in the Navy. He was a great athlete, and played baseball and boxed for the Navy. Boxing champion of the 5th Fleet. He said he "fit (sic) the battle of Balboa Bay."

Posted by: Charles the Simple at November 10, 2018 12:24 PM (w7U7L)

152 Hopefully you set her straight (maybe even showed her the unedited video) Emmie.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 10, 2018 12:16 PM (F/KeJ)

Nah. It was part of a spittle-flecked email I received after telling her that Crisis Pregnancy Centers' main activity is taking care of women and children. This was in response to her gratuitous and off-topic charge that they don't care about women and children.

The email had about a hundred different accusations in it. I thought about replying and tried to see if I could find a theme or main complaint to address since responding to every charge would require a book.

In the end, I realized it would be wasted effort and just ignored it.

Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 12:24 PM (4HMW8)

153 >>>144 Clever enough to post this topic on 11:11 on the 10TH. And make zero mention that today is the Marine Corps Birthday, some of the fightingest sumbitches in WW1
Posted by: rayra at November 10, 2018 12:20 PM (Pgsaa)

Commemorated first thing this morning, way back in the EMT:

2 Good Morning Morons: today is Saturday Non 10, 2018. On this date in 1775 The United States Marine Corps was founded at Tun Tavern in Philadelphia by Samuel Nicholas. Happy Birthday Marine Corp.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 10, 2018 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

Posted by: m at November 10, 2018 12:24 PM (1cK+7)

154 149 But here is the imposible thing, the votes are going 100 pct in one direction.

I know broward and dade are Democrat strong holds but are they seriously going to suggest that 100 pct of the "found" votes were for Nelson and Gillum?

Bullshit.
Posted by: Kreplach at November 10, 2018 12:24 PM (YAvbh)

Back in 2012, when 112% of Philadelphia voted, literally every single vote was Democrat. So yeah. They're gonna suggest it.

They've gotten away with it before.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 10, 2018 12:25 PM (pgXNG)

155 Scott should have had state police there and ready to enforce the moment the clock struck.

Lax, lax, lax.

Posted by: Cisco Kid at November 10, 2018 12:25 PM (iXJM1)

156 My grandfather volunteered on the first day. They wouldn't take him because he was too skinny. So he went ahead and got married. She fattened him up and he was drafted.

He had a relatively easy time in France. My grandmother's brother didn't make it back.
Posted by: Cisco Kid at November 10, 2018 12:14 PM (iXJM1)

No disrespect intended, but when I started reading that, I thought it was going to end with "and then some weirdo scientist injected him with some chemicals that turned him into a super soldier."

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 12:26 PM (cY3LT)

157

It's funny. I work right smack dab in the middle of the race war.

I don't think it's any coincidence that Little Billy Ayers ("Guilty as hell and free as a bird.") was going to start his revolution by using a race war. The same one where he intended to kill some 125 million Americans who dared resist him and the other countries who were eager to help him.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 10, 2018 12:26 PM (HaL55)

158
He supposedly has the law on his side. Plus, why didn't he and Pam Bondi not do something about Coward County's corruptocrats? What good is the law if no one will enforce it?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 10, 2018 12:22 PM (HaL55)

Laws are meaningless if there isn't a credible threat that someone with a gun and badge will showup at your door if you don't follow them.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 10, 2018 12:26 PM (TAmPV)

159 These are the same sorts of folks who don't have a problem with their daughters being raped and killed by brown people because social justice.

Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I recommend The Courage To Be Disliked at November 10, 2018 12:14 PM (lLeln)

The miscreants had better pray to God they don't GET justice.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 10, 2018 12:27 PM (YqDXo)

160 Y'all remember the videotaped incidence when a lefty activist attacked a Trump supporter and the Trumpist retaliated? There was a fist and pepper spray involved, but I forget who did which.

Anyway, my rabid-lefty relative threw that in my face while accusing conservatives of being violent. She was aware of the video but only after being edited to leave out the lefty instigation.
Posted by: Emmie is still up at November 10, 2018 12:11 PM (4HMW

This is the one that came to mind, but I don't know if it's the one you're thinking of.

http://tinyurl.com/y8navhao

Posted by: hogmartin at November 10, 2018 12:28 PM (t+qrx)

161 Acosta party up...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 10, 2018 12:28 PM (1g7ch)

162 Posted by: Hikaru at November 10, 2018 12:19 PM (pgXNG)

Hikaru, one of the reasons we hate the Left is because they are trying to ignite s race war. The Left cultivates suspicions and resentments along anything that can be used for dividing Americans.

We hate that and wish people would not fall for it, but many will.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2018 12:29 PM (4HMW8)

163 >>I know they don't but what is Rick Scott going to do? He's still the governor.

Review his actions after Parkland. He's a man cunt.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 10, 2018 12:29 PM (r9UYA)

164 Happy birthday Marines!
Although an Army guy, I commanded a Joint Intel team with the 31MEU in Somalia.
Love working with the Marines.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 10, 2018 12:29 PM (0tfLf)

165 Re: Elisheva Avital and the Kristallnacht photos.

As has been noted above, from reading her main twitter account you can tell this is a hard leftist who thinks Tucker Carlson deserved to have his home attacked and thinks disarming the public is the way to go. She thinks illegal aliens are like Jews in prewar Germany.

At best she learned exactly the wrong lessons from 1938. Hard left arrogant screeching nutcase who wants to drag the rest of us down for her fantasy world.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 10, 2018 12:29 PM (t5m5e)

166 KT, thanks for sharing the family history about your grandfather. What a tremendous legacy he left his family with those thoughts on paper and id bet everything a stellar example of how to live life.
Happy Veterans day to all my fellow Vets.

Posted by: Fastfreefall at November 10, 2018 12:29 PM (Q76pT)

167 (132) But... it's California! How could you resist?

Posted by: klaftern at November 10, 2018 12:30 PM (RuIsu)

168 108: Not sure Pound should have been released. As with Fonda, there was an early stretch of decent work (around WWI), but I find the Cantos to be wildly overrated.

On the subject of veterans not discussing their service: my father didn't with exception of his older brother with whom he discussed it. They seem to have a mutual vow of silence about this. My father had terrible scars and would only swim after dusk to avoid discussion and shocked expressions.

Posted by: CN at November 10, 2018 12:31 PM (U7k5w)

169 I thought Scott would fight. He is not fighting very hard. I am surprised, but I guess that is where we are.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 10, 2018 12:31 PM (fYi9j)

170 I've never even heard of "the Serial podcast."

But it does remind me of the 1980 movie with Martin Mull. A lot of fun. California was already bonkers.
Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 10, 2018 12:22 PM (59GGI)

serialpodcast.org

It's very well done. NPR style, because yeah, these are NPR people, I believe. First season was essentially politics-free. It's a story about a guy who was convicted of murder. He's Muslim, and yes, when I say the story is politics-free, it really is. There are some people in the Muslim community who seem to believe he was convicted because he's Muslim, but that's not in any way shape or form the perspective of the podcast.

So I'm not sure what to expect here with the Bergdahl story. I'm hoping it'll be clear and as unbiased as possible.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 12:31 PM (cY3LT)

171 You've seen the film? The trailer is worth watching.

Looks amazing. Release dates for the US are next month.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 11:53 AM (cY3LT)

No I watched the trailer, but the BBC show is worth the watch.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 10, 2018 12:32 PM (dKiJG)

172 I'm beyond frustrated by the idea that when things do go hot, it's going to have to be by race.
Fuck no. I'm not allowing any of you to go there.
I am not BLM, I am not a criminal, and I am NOT an acceptable sacrifice.

You don't have to articulate your bona fides to us. Aside from the occasional kook who slips in here to stir things up, I can guarantee you that 99.9% of the regulars here want no f'n part of a major race conflict. The elephant in the room is that it is obvious that the left in this country are salivating over that possibility. Until the right person (an MLK) or group decides that enough is enough and that the violence and rhetoric need to be quashed, we move ever forward towards that scenario. When confronted with threats and violence, most people will indeed eventually attempt to counter the threat. History is chock f'n full of examples.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 10, 2018 12:32 PM (Tyii7)

173 This is the one that came to mind, but I don't know if it's the one you're thinking of.

http://tinyurl.com/y8navhao
Posted by: hogmartin at November 10, 2018 12:28 PM (t+qrx)

I'm pretty sure that's it.

Posted by: Emmie at November 10, 2018 12:33 PM (4HMW8)

174 132 Building a home in lots of places in Commiefornia is as stupid as building a house in the shadow of an active volcano on the big island. Or in Key West, Florida.
Posted by: Sixkiller at November 10, 2018 12:16 PM (revnQ)

Lessee, you don't build anywhere there might be wildfires, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, blizzards, or tornadoes.

What's that leave? About a couple of building lots someplace, maybe?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 10, 2018 12:33 PM (YqDXo)

175 Ace pulling in some OT

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 12:36 PM (T4oHT)

176 A long time ago, in what seems like a galaxy away, those wars to end all war now look like a space where the country was united on fighting for America yes, but for individual liberty versus government control. imo that separates Americanism from most other versions of nationalism. France recognized that we had lady liberty lighting the way for the whole world ... with their Statue of Liberty gift, long before we sailed across oceans to save Western Civilization (though the Barbary War set precedent perhaps).

My grandfather here on the farm had one brother in WW1 (made it home), and one nearby cousin of my Mom took part in D-Day (also survived). My step-Dad and my Mom went to Army Corps of Engineers reunions every year for maybe 20 years, but he was one that didn't want to talk about his experiences. My Dad was chief petty officer first class, working on PBYs in Hawaii, but I never really knew him.

We have to do better for our military vets, especially those that we pushed to the front, where the cruel nature of war at its most grotesque was imprinted in their souls. And that liberty they fought for is still in peril, as we fight those tyrannical powers that have now been "domesticated", as the enemy infiltrated our culture.

Many old vets never got the feeling they were appreciated, by those that never understood the terror or war. But I think most had a satisfaction from their contribution, and felt part of a great victory. Today my feeling is the SJW generation is losing the war for liberty, and is largely unaware there even is such a war.

The "NPC compliant" are marching to the beat of a Google/FB drummer ... and red-pilling them is our current "war" ... a PsyOp war that we see in every (stolen?) election, every Hawaiian judicial overrule of our constitution. The veterans and active military understand that better than most.

Thanks to all here that serve(d), and those that continue to fight the good fight for liberty. Salute.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 10, 2018 12:37 PM (Cus5s)

177 My neighbor passed away two years ago at the age of 93. He served aboard a destroyer in WWII. He and I would go to breakfast on Saturdays and he would talk about his service in the war, but he never discussed it with either of his sons because neither served. I think that is true of most vets. We discuss our combat service with other combat veterans, but not with those that did not see combat.

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 10, 2018 12:37 PM (xYZ/A)

178 White middle-to upper middle class suburban women are probably--next to Asians--the most racist group of all, and like the Asians, most of them are helicopter moms who see to it that THEIR children get the best deal of all, from going to "good schools" (code for no, or extremely few blacks), to having abortion on demand (to see to it that their slutty daughters don't get "punished" with a baby) to making sure they use every option available to them (up to and including sleeping with the "right" person) to see to it that THEIR children succeed.
Above all, they care about status and virtue-signalling and keeping YOU and YOUR children DOWN.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2018 12:43 PM (NFEMn)

179 When axed, Dr Snipes stated 'the satistics mo dan likelyhoove proove dese votes be democrat votes cause dats wut ah sed'.

Posted by: BluesFish at November 10, 2018 12:44 PM (ZbgM0)

180 174

Come on Jay. You know that is not what I meant, but some places are just glaringly obvious. I grew up in Wichita Falls, Texas, AKA tornado alley. But when I retired from the Army I picked a spot - central Texas - that minimized the chances of Mother Nature smacking my ass down.

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 10, 2018 12:45 PM (xYZ/A)

181 Lessee, you don't build anywhere there might be wildfires, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, blizzards, or tornadoes.

What's that leave? About a couple of building lots someplace, maybe?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 10, 2018 12:33 PM (YqDXo)

Blizzards? C'mon, that puts, what, 50% of the Continental US out of play?

But yeah, the rich shitlibs in Malibu are just asking for it....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2018 12:46 PM (NFEMn)

182 Sixkiller,

This is true. I feel far more at home with fellow Vets than among strangers, or even friends who did not serve. I do not feel superior in any way, just apart.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 10, 2018 12:47 PM (0tfLf)

183 182

This.

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 10, 2018 12:48 PM (xYZ/A)

184 If you get the chance Peter Jackson restored some WWI footage and fixed the timing so everyone isn't moving so fast, Film was expensive so they cranked it slowly.

BBC hired a lip reader for some WWI footage and it's eye opening. They knew that sound wasn't being recorded so they spoke freely.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 10, 2018 11:41 AM (dKiJG)

Actually, the whole "fast moving images" thing with old films was due to the fact that the old silent movies were photographed at 20 frames per second. In later years, the standard changed to 24 frames per second, and this included the projectors that showed the films as well as the cameras which recorded the images.

So if you had a film recorded at 20 frames per second and showed it on a more modern projector at 24 frames per second, that is how you got the faster, jerky images. Problem was, for a long time only 24 frame projectors were available, so everyone got used to watching those older silent films in that manner.

Finally, some years ago people in the movie industry modified some projectors to run at 20 frames per second, and that resolved the speed problem, making the older films look much more "natural".

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at November 10, 2018 12:49 PM (p0pYQ)

185 What a wonderful post, KT!

My late FIL was a boy during WWI and told us stories of what it was like on the homefront.

He came from a resolutely Republican family, lower-middle to middle-middle class, in Grand Rapids, MI. As far as his family was concerned, the Dems were still the party of "rum, Romanism, and rebellion" (LOL) and they despised Wilson in particular as the worst combination of high-falutin' idealism and tyrannical ambition.
And they were isolationists who despised the foreign adventurism of either party.

But the minute the US was in the war, politics really did stop at the border. They supported the effort and the troops 100%, as did their neighbors. 100%.

One of the more interesting things is that he learned how to knit. Yep, all of the kids at his school, both girls and boys, knit socks for the troops. Every day there was an hour set aside for this. It began with a prayer (gasp!) for the troops and perhaps a patriotic song, then they'd get busy while the teacher read aloud from a classic work.
(In his case The Tale of Two Cities by Dickens.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 10, 2018 12:49 PM (Rxduq)

186 Lots of stuff to do.

Back later, Horde.

Be safe.

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 10, 2018 12:54 PM (xYZ/A)

187
I thought Scott would fight. He is not fighting very hard. I am surprised, but I guess that is where we are.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 10, 2018 12:31 PM (fYi9j)

I think he is fighting and he has won thus far (two law suits in the last two days). The deadline to report votes has passed so we will see what happens now.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 10, 2018 12:54 PM (F/KeJ)

188 It is a absolute shame I never heard any stories from my FiL who was a D-Day vet.

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 12:57 PM (T4oHT)

189 131---Posted by: Kindltot at November 10, 2018 12:15 PM (mUa7G)
----------------------
Thanks for sharing that letter.
(I am always astounded by the high literacy level of earlier Americans.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 10, 2018 12:58 PM (Rxduq)

190 Lessee, you don't build anywhere there might be wildfires, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, blizzards, or tornadoes.

What's that leave? About a couple of building lots someplace, maybe?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Build wherever you want. Just don't ask me to pay for the consequences when it goes pear-shaped.

Posted by: pep at November 10, 2018 12:58 PM (T6t7i)

191 188 It is a absolute shame I never heard any stories from my FiL who was a D-Day vet.
Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 12:57 PM (T4oHT)
----------------------
The ones in hard combat often don't talk about.
*sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 10, 2018 12:59 PM (Rxduq)

192 He makes me... do things. Things you would shudder to imagine.
Posted by: jim acosta's hand at November 10, 2018 12:51 PM (ykYG2)

All those moments will be lost in time. Like tears in the rain.

Time...

To die.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 10, 2018 12:59 PM (cY3LT)

193 191 The ones in hard combat often don't talk about.
*sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 10, 2018 12:59 PM (Rxduq)

I'd imagine that most people of decent moral fiber who have had to kill a man don't exactly relish having to re-live it.

Posted by: Hikaru at November 10, 2018 01:01 PM (pgXNG)

194 This is pretty funny.
https://tinyurl.com/y86hdb6u

Posted by: pep at November 10, 2018 01:01 PM (T6t7i)

195 It's going to take a judge who is not afraid to call those votes invalid, and things like what happened to Tucker are going to continue.

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 01:01 PM (T4oHT)

196 I come from a family of veterans on both sides and was kinda in the military aka USAF service. Two grand uncles served in the Army during WWI--all my male uncles on both sides of family served.

Grandfather in the Army AF was killed in the Pacific during the last stages of WWII. Family did not find out until after VJ day.

Posted by: whig at November 10, 2018 01:03 PM (ROzyM)

197 It is a absolute shame I never heard any stories from my FiL who was a D-Day vet.

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 12:57 PM (T4oHT)

----------------------

The ones in hard combat often don't talk about.

*sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 10, 2018 12:59 PM
---

Yep, the wife's Uncle was like that. He was a Marine at Guadalcanal and took a burst from a Japanese machine gun and was hit five times on the right side of his body from his head to his foot. He was discharged a year after he got back to the States 100% disabled.

He never talked about the War until one day when we were at their 50th anniversary party and he and I started talking.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 10, 2018 01:03 PM (JUOKG)

198 The Gardening Thread is up for those who are interested.

Posted by: KT at November 10, 2018 01:04 PM (BVQ+1)

199 Actually, the whole "fast moving images" thing with old films was due to the fact that the old silent movies were photographed at 20 frames per second. In later years, the standard changed to 24 frames per second, and this included the projectors that showed the films as well as the cameras which recorded the images.

So if you had a film recorded at 20 frames per second and showed it on a more modern projector at 24 frames per second, that is how you got the faster, jerky images. Problem was, for a long time only 24 frame projectors were available, so everyone got used to watching those older silent films in that manner.

Finally, some years ago people in the movie industry modified some projectors to run at 20 frames per second, and that resolved the speed problem, making the older films look much more "natural".

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at November 10, 2018 12:49 PM (p0pYQ)

Thanks I didn't know that

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 10, 2018 01:09 PM (dKiJG)

200 Memories of WWII

First hand stories, trying to preserve history before it's too late.

https://tinyurl.com/ya4vp6hu

Posted by: franksalterego at November 10, 2018 01:11 PM (3cq8T)

201 Loved the World at War series from first time I saw it around age 13, could watch them over and over, best part is the interviews

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 01:16 PM (T4oHT)

202 151
His brother, my grandfather, was in the Navy. He was a great athlete, and played baseball and boxed for the Navy.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at November 10, 2018 12:24 PM (w7U7L)

Must have been easy to hit home runs on board those ships.

Posted by: rickl at November 10, 2018 01:17 PM (sdi6R)

203 That's just it. They're expanding to the suburbs. Who do you think was surrounding Tucker Carlson's house? It was an offshoot of BLM.

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

+++

Not the attacks though. The gun confiscation. If they can't get the cops to do it, then they will go through the public lists and Rob houses.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 10, 2018 01:23 PM (z2W2E)

204 Above all, they care about status and virtue-signalling and keeping YOU and YOUR children DOWN.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 10, 2018 12:43 PM (NFEMn)
So true. That's why I laughed at Kirsten Gillebrand when she said Our country was founded that I care as much about your children as I do my own!!
Sure ya do SuperWhite Lady. That's why you live as far away from the hood as possible and your kids go to private schools that hood rats can't afford.
Virtue signalling hypocrites.

Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2018 01:34 PM (DJFLF)

205 The Hundred year old war...a total mess why celebrate
have a good cry at mans inhumanity and insanity instead.
Fuck WARS and the idiots that instigate them,especially those that benefit from them. COWARDS and Bastards ALL.

Posted by: saf at November 10, 2018 01:37 PM (5IHGB)

206 My great uncle Ben fought in WW1

He became an oil man in California and made millions, lost millions, made millions... his wife got smart and divorced him on a upswing.
He lived out his life living in a beach house on her land...
I never met him, actually thought he had died. He, and our family was from Wisconsin and apparently he never came back
My cousin found him and said he was a great guy with tons of great stories.
He died shortly after my cousins visit

Posted by: Gonzotx at November 10, 2018 01:37 PM (eQh3B)

207
My Dad and Uncle both saw combat,him in Guadalcanal and Uncle Ed at Omaha Beach. Neither said very much at all about it.
Dad opened up to me one evening after I'd returned and what he told me made what I did seem like the proverbial Sunday picnic. His effects have several commendations and medals, none of which he ever, until that one time, spoke of.

Better men than most, I'm thinking.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 10, 2018 01:44 PM (S/hVx)

208 My FiL was a D-Day vet, I have pieced together some of what his company did ( built a road to get off the beach) but did this after he died so never got to know exactly his experience.

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 01:59 PM (T4oHT)

209 191 What are we going to do when the pet thread gets here?
Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 02:04 PM

Posted by: Skip at November 10, 2018 02:04 PM (T4oHT)

210 My great-uncle Earl McCullough died somewhere in France in September 1918. It devastated the family.

http://bit.ly/2T660Iv

Posted by: Michael the Texan at November 10, 2018 02:09 PM (nvMvs)

211 Imagine a football game in which, after every play, both coaches come out on the field to argue with the refs. The play is rerun and litigated by appeal umpires. And, ultimately, the highest appeal umpire just says "fuck it" and rules for the same side every time.

This is kinda where we are.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 10, 2018 02:24 PM (j4US8)

212 Thanks for sharing.
I have been on two historical tours with the Stephen Ambrose Historical Tours company. One was a "Band of Brothers" tour, starting in the US and going all the way to Germany following the route the Brothers took. The other was a WWI tour, along the trench lines, from Brussels to Verdun.

I highly recommend them.

I did enjoy reading the tweets, except when the anti Trump ones commented not understanding a thing about Trump.

Posted by: LYNN HARGROVE at November 10, 2018 02:37 PM (jHdOj)

213 Jaunty Grandpa

Posted by: The Invisible Hand at November 10, 2018 02:51 PM (YpRda)

214 Deplorable Jay Guevara #174:
Lessee, you don't build anywhere there might be wildfires, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, blizzards, or tornadoes.
What's that leave? About a couple of building lots someplace, maybe?

I used to think we had it good here in Oklahoma.

Twisters are the biggest threat - nothing to scoff at - but seriously destructive big ones are rare and your odds are pretty good in terms of target-areas. (Don't build a home from bric-a-brac on top of a big exposed hill, and like that. Also, don't live in Moore, Oklahoma.)

And the major "tornado alley" in recent decades seems to have moved somewhat east from the old Okla/Kansas/Neb corridor, not that it can't change back any minute.

But now we have the earthquakes! Seriously!?! Every theory from groundwater from frakking to a shifting position for the Madrid-related stress lines, but we're not built for it.

Great. I even was jolted out of bed by a 5.x quake in the past year. Concrete and steel house shaking like a child's toy. (Longwave bedrock carries quakes far & forceful in the midlands, vs fractured coastlines like Cal.)

Still, I'll take a few quakes and occasional whirlwinds over mudslides, hurricanes, and volcanoes.

Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice at November 10, 2018 02:52 PM (moQbY)

215 Greetings:

The "Great Clips" haircut chain has a free haircut deal for vets tomorrow. Must be used before end of year.

Posted by: 11B40 at November 10, 2018 02:56 PM (evgyj)

216 Greetings, II:

My favorite Macron story comes via France24. A while back when M. le Pr�sident was preparing to come to visit President Trump at the White (Nationalist) House for his "historic" three day visit, the France24 brill-yentos begam shilling Macron as "Le Trump-Whisperer" who would come to L'Amerique whisper loving things in the Donald's ear and sway him into accepting the Euro-Borg as Lord and Master. Obviously, the France24 types don't run into many New Yorky New Yorkers.

Earlier today, and again via France24, I saw some coverage of their meeting. And didn't MAcron seem like a good little puppy dog.

Posted by: 11B40 at November 10, 2018 03:04 PM (evgyj)

217 Just saw a video of my friend's son marching in the band in the Veteran's Day parade in a little country town in Washington State. Nice to see.

Posted by: KT at November 10, 2018 03:30 PM (BVQ+1)

218 Just a friendly public service announcement on the 243rd Marine Corps Birthday. Please hide your crayons and make sure your windows are clean enough to lick until all the drunk jarheads are all poured into their beds for the night. Thank You. RLTW

Posted by: Assassin6 at November 10, 2018 05:00 PM (GBYzV)

219 Yudhishthira's Dice at November 10, 2018 11:29 AM

Something untoward seems to have happened to Florida Man. Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at November 10, 2018 05:26 PM (BVQ+1)

220 I have my grandfathers battlefield diary from the big war. Absolutely amazing words from a 19 year old kid

Posted by: butternut at November 10, 2018 06:22 PM (QNFC/)

221 There's never a contingency rain plan for presidential travel apparently.

I guess the comb over can't cope with rain. /sarc

Posted by: Trump hates the wet at November 10, 2018 06:55 PM (GtmJ0)

222 My grandpa was born 1898 near Wenatchee, Wa. He joined the navy in 1917? I really don't fully recall the correct date. He ended up steaming out of Bremerton, Washington aboard the newly built and commisioned minesweeper USS Rail. Her maiden voyage. They made a port call in San Francisco where he bought tea service items at the Columbia Exhibition. I have the mint condition CE tea towel in a cedar chest. They then passed through the Panama Canal. He fondly remembered transiting the gulf of mexico and the tropical beauty of the Caribbean.

I think they made port in Norfolk and either trained on live mines, or they were on a patrol for actual mines. Whatever the case, we have a photograph of a mine exploding some distance from their minesweeper. I think grandpa said the officer shot the thing with a rifle.

If you think my retelling of events a bit lacking in detail? Well, it's been a long time since he died in 1987.

Long story short. I also seem to recall gramps telling me that the navy had more personnel than they needed for overseas duty and thusly held a lottery to chose which crews would cross the Atlantic and serve in the war zone - the others would be cashiered. He was honorably discharged and sent home by rail.

He loved his brief service in the navy.

Much later, the USS Rail was tied up at Coaling Dock A at Pearl Harbor Dec. 7, 1941. Crew manned the deck guns.

We have a photo of Grandpa sitting with two of his mates on the Rail's fantail atop huge coils of line.

Posted by: 13times at November 10, 2018 10:07 PM (W5neA)

223 Thanks for your service.

Posted by: four seasons at November 11, 2018 01:07 AM (cCDc5)

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