No, "Soros" Is Not Shorthand For "Jew."

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In fact, much of George Soros's activity is very, very bad for Jews, Judaism and Israel. It does help the sort of Jew who is a fan of leftist politics and the destruction of Western society, but those Jews' real religion is progressivism, not Judaism, so they don't count.

Oh...and another thing...just because someone has a Jewish name and has a passing acquaintance with Judaism does not make him an untouchable spokesman for the Jewish people.

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The idiocy of this fake Jew is obvious, as is her rabid hatred of anything Trump. Conflating moving the American Embassy to Jerusalem (for many years a bipartisan effort derailed by partisan politics) with an increase in anti-Semitism or some evil trade for the deaths of American Jews is just nuts. The facts are clear; President Trump is a friend of the Jews and a friend of Israel. Will he always do what is best for them? No, he will not, but compared to his predecessors he is a "Just Man."

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Dear Jen; Fvck you.

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There is one man responsible for the murders of 11 Jews in Pittsburgh yesterday. That this rancid bitch wants to blame me and the many other Jews who support President Trump is a disgusting libel, and one that flies in the face of the facts.

I wonder where this slattern was for the last decade, when virulent anti-Semitism ran unchecked through American universities? Or where she was two days ago, retweeting a clear suggestion that violence against Trump supporters was just fine.

The creation of the state of Israel changed the paradigm of the last two thousand years. No longer were Jews convenient scapegoats who could be bullied and blamed and murdered with impunity. Yes, there are many examples of Jews actively defending their interests, but in the main my statement holds.

If there is a lesson to be learned here, it is that the example of Israel can be extended throughout the world. I am saddened that the tone amongst many American Jews is still that others will be responsible for our defense, and that it is in some way unacceptable to bear arms and take active measures to defend ourselves, our families, our congregations and our religion.

Do I blame anyone in Pittsburgh? Of course not. We have free will, we make well-considered choices every day that can have catastrophic consequences. We live in a country that is remarkably free of religious violence, in spite of what the media want us to believe. So the assumption that we will be safe is a reasonable one. I would have made a different assumption, but that is not a criticism of anyone.

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1 Obligatory useless first comment

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at October 28, 2018 02:16 PM (j0Oc6)

2 Optional useless second comment?

Posted by: Undocumented at October 28, 2018 02:17 PM (iQKgg)

3 The country needs to split.

Posted by: HA at October 28, 2018 02:18 PM (MAstk)

4
Yup, the left has blamed the president for the synagogue shooting. How? Just because.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 28, 2018 02:18 PM (SiINZ)

5 T10!

Posted by: Weasel at October 28, 2018 02:19 PM (MVjcR)

6 The country needs to split.
Posted by: HA at October 28, 2018 02:18 PM (MAstk)

The left needs to be destroyed. I'm not giving them a square inch of the Republic.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 28, 2018 02:20 PM (drBRm)

7 T5!!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 28, 2018 02:20 PM (MVjcR)

8 Leftism is a religion, many otherwise Jew or Christian might be that but many are Leftists first and foremost.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:21 PM (T4oHT)

9 T10!
Polymetal alloy?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at October 28, 2018 02:21 PM (j0Oc6)

10 You cannot reason with crazy. The country must split. The left is nuts.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 28, 2018 02:21 PM (jUVms)

11 Someone should tell Nathan that if anyone has the 'blood of Jews on their hands', it's Soros.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 28, 2018 02:21 PM (KoKdw)

12

I don't get it: Supporting Israel and Jews is WRONG, now, and somehow translates into...hating Jews??

This is why I always say: NEVER Argue With A Leftist.

Not because they're wrong or because they're illogical, but because the Left Does Not Believe In What They Say.

The Left is only trying to fuck with you. Please do not indulge.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 28, 2018 02:22 PM (+BZ5R)

13 Soros is shorthand for Marxist.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at October 28, 2018 02:22 PM (gKP+X)

14
Going on the Defensive is EXACTLY what these cocksuckers want you to do.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 28, 2018 02:22 PM (+BZ5R)

15
The left needs to be destroyed. I'm not giving them a square inch of the Republic.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 28, 2018 02:20 PM (drBRm)



THIS

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 28, 2018 02:23 PM (SiINZ)

16

You Validate their insincere accusations by i) going on the defensive, and ii) indulging their disingenuous crapckpot unhinged theories.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 28, 2018 02:24 PM (+BZ5R)

17 Say, did anyone whistle of those small herding dogs?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 28, 2018 02:24 PM (drBRm)

18 Blexit

Posted by: Braenyard at October 28, 2018 02:24 PM (7YukL)

19 CDB, nicely said. Proof that those on the left are unhinged, that and incapable of reasoned thought. Hence STUPID.

Posted by: Farmer at October 28, 2018 02:24 PM (T5tjg)

20 Nope. They don't get to dictate terms to me. May their chains set lightly upon them, and may posterity forget that they were, notionally, tangentially, of my faith.

I.e., they can all go and climb a wall of dicks in hell.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 28, 2018 02:24 PM (mS+Df)

21 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-10_tank

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:24 PM (T4oHT)

22 I live in the middle of an orthodox Jewish community. There are at least four orthodox synagogues within a five minute walk from my home. I don't know any Jews that actually know anything about Judaism that blame President Trump for the shooting in Pittsburgh.

I'm saying kaddish for my late mother and attend services daily at a nearby post-ordination seminary. When I asked if I could carry a firearm at services there, the answer was, "Sure. You think you're the only one?"

Posted by: Johann Amadeus Metesky at October 28, 2018 02:25 PM (W8/ca)

23
Soros is shorthand for James Bond like villain trying to fvck up this country and exert as much power and control as he can.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 28, 2018 02:25 PM (SiINZ)

24 Maybe weasel is thinking of up armoring

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:25 PM (T4oHT)

25

This is why the Left loves to label, literally, everything we say as a "dogwhistle."

It provides the foundation for their later demand we shut up.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 28, 2018 02:26 PM (+BZ5R)

26 I read Julia Ioffe's twitter feed yesterday. The number of people who agreed with her was astounding. Some of them even made her seem sane by comparison. These people are seriously damaged.

They seem to lack the self-awareness that they are committing blood libel against Trump supporters.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2018 02:26 PM (sdi6R)

27 I don't know any Jews that actually know anything about Judaism that blame President Trump for the shooting in Pittsburgh.

Ditto.

Posted by: Basement Cat at October 28, 2018 02:27 PM (3C9q2)

28 When I asked if I could carry a firearm at services there, the answer was, "Sure. You think you're the only one?"

Posted by: Johann Amadeus Metesky at October 28, 2018 02:25 PM (W8/ca)

Fuckin' A!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 02:27 PM (wYseH)

29 Trump has done more for Jews and Israel than any President.
Fk any Leftists opinion

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:28 PM (T4oHT)

30 The ONE place I will 100% be carrying a gun is in church. Too many crazies out there targeting houses of worship

Posted by: Gman at October 28, 2018 02:28 PM (IFQ1S)

31

They don't believe it.
They don't believe it.
They don't believe it.

Christ Almighty, don't you people know this is how modern Tribal Politics works?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 28, 2018 02:28 PM (+BZ5R)

32 Since when does being President make one responsible for every vile act conducted in America?


Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:28 PM (lwiT4)

33 Soros is shorthand for communist asshole who milks the system wherever he goes.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 28, 2018 02:29 PM (mpXpK)

34 I'm saying kaddish for my late mother and attend
services daily at a nearby post-ordination seminary. When I asked if I
could carry a firearm at services there, the answer was, "Sure. You
think you're the only one?"

Posted by: Johann Amadeus Metesky at October 28, 2018 02:25 PM (W8/ca)



May God richly bless you.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:30 PM (lwiT4)

35 The left needs to be destroyed. I'm not giving them a square inch of the Republic.
..

The ONLY way that happens is a hot war.

Posted by: HA at October 28, 2018 02:30 PM (MAstk)

36 I expect that the Rabbi who gave the prayer about the synagogue shooting yesterday-standing at a Presidential podium with Trump behind him is getting hate mail because he said a positive thing about Trump fighting evil around the world.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 02:30 PM (AllCR)

37 Soros is shorthand for Jew? I thought it was shorthand for scum of the earth. Who knew?

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:31 PM (lwiT4)

38 High marks for using "slattern".

Netanyahu has called DJT a great friend of Israel and the Jewish people. Fuck these whiners in particular for claiming otherwise based on their personal delusions.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 28, 2018 02:31 PM (y7DUB)

39 To my understanding God does not want you to go down as a murder victim.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:31 PM (T4oHT)

40 Julia Ioffe is absolutely foul. She's a skillful writer but the synapses in her brain are just plain twisted in a screwy way. Ever since her Trump incest claim I've been unable to even read her stuff without getting upset. How Jeffrey Goldberg justifies keeping her employed is beyond me.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Deranged and Deplorable #ItsABigDay at October 28, 2018 02:31 PM (Z216Q)

41 Posted by: Johann Amadeus Metesky at October 28, 2018 02:25 PM (W8/ca)

I am tempted to ask my local Chabad whether they are interested in some beginning pistol classes. I would love to show some of them the basics.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 02:31 PM (wYseH)

42 No, "Soros" Is Not Shorthand For "Jew."

Yeah ... these Jews making this claim are exactly the sort of Jews who voted for Barky, hate being Jewish (and are only "Jewish" when it's politically convenient), and are working to have all of Western civilization end up the way the Weathermen and the Maoists and the Marxists and Antifa and the rest of the humanity-hating, nihilistic left dreams about. They're idiots, to put it mildly.

Soros is shorthand for "self-hating, nihilistiic, anti-Western leftist".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 28, 2018 02:31 PM (BHXAq)

43 Blaming Trump for Jewhatred is idiotic. Go die, fuckers.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at October 28, 2018 02:31 PM (wUFzV)

44 The mindf*ckery of the left is infinite.Then there's this: https://tinyurl.com/yalcykyq

Posted by: Old Dude at October 28, 2018 02:32 PM (LGXGf)

45 I don't know who these blue checkmark people are, but they're not very smart.

I think Nathaniel up there needs to watch that 60 Minutes video with Soros when he admits to confiscating property from the Jews as they were being shipped off to the death camps, because someone was going to do it anyway.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:32 PM (U5tDi)

46 "self-loathing" personified...

what sad little willfully ignorant creatures they are.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (v9rtm)

47 don't you people know this is how modern Tribal Politics works?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 28, 2018 02:28 PM (+BZ5R)

Yes, we get your point. Five times already...in a new thread.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (wYseH)

48 I wish Rev could carry in the pulpit. He is the one facing the door. Blasted robe and shawl things. It would be much more helpful if he could wear an Underdog Tshirt and jeans like my last pastor.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (lwiT4)

49 On the bright side, the left's unhinged response to both the Toy Bomber and the Tree of Life discredits the loony left, encourages the #WalkAway movement, and helps Trump who, in my opinion, has been very good in his responses.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (+y/Ru)

50 don't you people know this is how modern Tribal Politics works?
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You bet I do.

Posted by: Lizzy Warren at October 28, 2018 02:34 PM (KoKdw)

51 Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (lwiT4)

Is there a shelf built into the pulpit?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 02:34 PM (wYseH)

52 Instapundit linked Julia Ioffe's tweet. There are over 340 comments, with most of them reaming her out big time.

The highest-rated comment was from Steve Skubinna:
"What is the difference between Donald Trump and a Reform Jew?
Trump has Jewish grandchildren."

That comment got 65 upvotes last I looked.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2018 02:34 PM (sdi6R)

53 The ONE place I will 100% be carrying a gun is in church. Too many crazies out there targeting houses of worship



Posted by: Gman at October 28, 2018 02:28 PM (IFQ1S)


The PD for the county in which I live does seminars on that subject.

Also, if someone pointed out that Trump has a daughter and son-in-law who are Jewish, I'm sure the response would be that they are part of the problem, and the person would think that rebuttal makes complete logical sense.

Posted by: Vendette at October 28, 2018 02:34 PM (tT986)

54 So, I've got blood on my hands for this. And I've got blood on my hands for that. Blood on my hands where I've done absolutely nothing wrong.

You know, if you leftist assholes keep accusing people of having blood on their hands for doing nothing, a less stable person might - oh, I don't know - go out and get some actual blood on his hands.

Ever think of that?

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at October 28, 2018 02:35 PM (jWe5r)

55 Well, She Who Should Not Be Named Unless You Want To Get Doxxed was sentenced to 4 years yesterday ...


So ... some sanity in a crazy world ...

Posted by: Adriane the Real Life Doesn't Have a Remote Critic ... at October 28, 2018 02:35 PM (AoK0a)

56 I wish Rev could carry in the pulpit. He is the one facing the door. Blasted robe and shawl things. It would be much more helpful if he could wear an Underdog Tshirt and jeans like my last pastor.

Just keep a carbine behind the pulpit.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 02:35 PM (bZ7mE)

57

And if it wasn't soros, it would be obamacare.
These same people would be blaming all those who de-funded obamacare.

And the NRA.

And White people.

And the Supreme Court.

And the electoral college.

And gerrymandering.



It's all bullshit.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 28, 2018 02:35 PM (+BZ5R)

58 OK, this is a tangent and I'm not well versed in morality agruments, but...

was anyone else relieved that all the victims were 54 or older?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 28, 2018 02:35 PM (fuK7c)

59 "For every Jew who voted for him and supports him because of what he means for Israel, you have blood on your hands." -- Jen the Imbecile

That's so stupid it's funny.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 28, 2018 02:35 PM (BHXAq)

60 In order for people to come into our little church and start shooting they'd first have to find the church which is tucked away on some back street.
The name of the church isn't even officially what the name of the town is and our website is messed up.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 02:36 PM (AllCR)

61 Soros is shorthand for James Bond like villain

-
Goldprick

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 28, 2018 02:36 PM (+y/Ru)

62 Is there a shelf built into the pulpit?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 02:34 PM (wYseH)


There's an idea I hadn't thought of. They do have teenage acolytes though that are also on the platform at times. I wonder what the rules are about leaving a loaded gun in a public place. Definitely worth checking out. Churches are becoming aware of the dangers, and are starting to give guidelines. My heart goes out to the Jewish community in Pittsburgh.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:37 PM (lwiT4)

63 What else has the left got to run on? Every city they control has turned to shit; they have no new ideas on how to grow the economy; minority groups are waking up and leaving in droves...so it is only fear mongering and screaming racist, bigot etc at the president and his supporters at every turn. Hoping it will stick. This mid term elections will reveal if this strategy of theirs worked. I am betting not.

Posted by: IC at October 28, 2018 02:37 PM (EN0Ka)

64 In order for people to come into our little church and start shooting they'd first have to find the church which is tucked away on some back street.
The name of the church isn't even officially what the name of the town is and our website is messed up.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 02:36 PM (AllCR)
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Excellent OPSEC there, Fen!

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:37 PM (U5tDi)

65
A nut is a nut is a nut.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 02:38 PM (LsBY9)

66 grammie, remember my husband's offer. It still stands.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:38 PM (U5tDi)

67
The same people who two days ago thought it mildly amusing that an anit-semite was posting on Gab now break out the crocodile tears and want Gab shut down/deplatformed?

Leaving the Twitter Police Force the sole proprietor of 'correct' speech.

* head slam *

I have no answer. It's why I got out of blogging. Life is too short to spend it trying to police every comment, parse every word, detect the intent of (((someone))) using three parentheses.

You build a better mousetrap, a better mouse will appear.

This is a topic I'd like to see Ace give a 'movie review' sized thesis upon.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at October 28, 2018 02:38 PM (URwyc)

68 I am a Jew and I despise .... the fucktards who only see antiSemitism on the far right and cannot see it from the hezzie fucking morons on the left.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at October 28, 2018 02:38 PM (wUFzV)

69 Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:37 PM (lwiT4)

There are small gun safes, just big enough for one pistol, that have very fast biometric or mechanical locks. He can put the safe on the shelf and be able to access the gun very quickly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 02:38 PM (wYseH)

70 58, Bander, you are not the only one. It's sad and devastating but not as soul wrenching if there had been a bunch of little children murdered.

Posted by: IC at October 28, 2018 02:38 PM (EN0Ka)

71 "What is the difference between Donald Trump and a Reform Jew?

Trump has Jewish grandchildren."


Truth!

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Deranged and Deplorable #ItsABigDay at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (Z216Q)

72 I wish Rev could carry in the pulpit. He is the one facing the door. Blasted robe and shawl things. It would be much more helpful if he could wear an Underdog Tshirt and jeans like my last pastor.
Posted by: grammie winger
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Let us now turn to Hymn 1

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yauljadk

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (KoKdw)

73 DNC is full of actual raging and open semites.

Trump has Jewish grand kids, his closest advisors are Jews, he is staunchly proIsrael and done more than any president in 30 years to boost Zionism.

Mass murderer called Trump a Jewish puppet.

But fake news 24/7 is blaming Trump.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (njXIr)

74 60 In order for people to come into our little church and start shooting they'd first have to find the church which is tucked away on some back street.
The name of the church isn't even officially what the name of the town is and our website is messed up.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 02:36 PM (AllCR)
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"Security through Obscurity"

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs, still needs a new Nic! at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (2o7Th)

75
Excellent OPSEC there, Fen!

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:37 PM (U5tDi

LOL. All o which explains why we have so few people, but they do care for one another I have to say.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (AllCR)

76 FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 02:36 PM (AllCR)

The benefits of humility ...
: -))

Posted by: Adriane the Real Life Doesn't Have a Remote Critic ... at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (AoK0a)

77 63 They keep running on what they always have and will continue to run major cities for yeasrs to come.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (T4oHT)

78 bluebell - thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten your generous offer. Forgotten - imagine that!!

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (lwiT4)

79 It looks like there must have been some internal polling that connecting Democrats to Soros was effective in a negative way, because almost on cue every liberal came forward with this "anti-semitism" attack.

Posted by: Blago at October 28, 2018 02:40 PM (Amlen)

80 Anti-semites that is

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at October 28, 2018 02:40 PM (njXIr)

81
I wish Rev could carry in the pulpit. He is the one facing the door.
Blasted robe and shawl things. It would be much more helpful if he could
wear an Underdog Tshirt and jeans like my last pastor.




Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (lwiT4)


Design a robe that opens from the front with velcro.

Posted by: Vendette at October 28, 2018 02:40 PM (tT986)

82 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at October 28, 2018 02:38 PM (wUFzV)

The only place where I encountered real Jew-hate up front and personal was in Berkeley among the hard left and NYC among the hard left.

Huh...that might be a trend!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 02:40 PM (wYseH)

83 bluebell - thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten your generous offer. Forgotten - imagine that!!
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (lwiT4)
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Who are you again?


Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:40 PM (U5tDi)

84 Let us now turn to Hymn 1



https://preview.tinyurl.com/yauljadk

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (KoKdw)



Oh my. I love that song.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (lwiT4)

85 minority groups are waking up and leaving in droves...Posted by: IC at October 28, 2018 02:37 PM (EN0Ka)


It's a bit premature to make that claim, but there are promising signs. Funny how prosperity can change minds, though.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (T6t7i)

86 Them freaking hypocrite dims. Why is Calypso Farrakkkhan's tweet still posted?

Posted by: BebeDahl at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (WWS2B)

87 "For every Jew who voted for him and supports him because of what he
means for Israel, you have blood on your hands." -- Jen the Imbecile


Seems more apt to send that tweet in the direction of J Street supporters.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Deranged and Deplorable #ItsABigDay at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (Z216Q)

88 Yes, they are quite sensitive about Soros suddenly.

Posted by: Ktgreat at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (f8ilN)

89 Yes to dislike Soros makes you an anti-Semite...Pay no attention to the fact that he was a stooge for the SS...... He is the one with blood on his hands

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (O2RFr)

90 This reminds me of when "group responsibility" got it's start: "We're ALL responsible for what happened to JFK"

Nope, not me... I wasn't anywhere near Dallas that day.

Posted by: strawdog at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (Cssks)

91
Well, if you did get the point, you'd know the only response to these two shitheads on twitter is this:

Chicago, last night: "34 shot - 3 fatally - in Halloween weekend gun violence"

(yeah, Chicago Sun Time Fake News, it must be "Halloween" to account for this "unusual" gun violence in Chicago.)

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 28, 2018 02:42 PM (+BZ5R)

92 Do I blame anyone in Pittsburgh?

Hey yinzall - Steelers 7 Browns 6 - so we may dodge a secular apocalypse.

Posted by: DaveA at October 28, 2018 02:42 PM (FhXTo)

93
The name of the church isn't even officially what the name of the town is and our website is messed up.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Do you have to give the secret handshake to get in?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 28, 2018 02:42 PM (aKsyK)

94 "Security through Obscurity"
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs, still needs a new Nic! at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (2o7Th)


I laughed -a lot. If they're going to shoot up a church (God forbid) they'd probably be more likely to shoot up the formerly Baptist church which is now the "Community Church" and which has a big sign out onthe main street.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 02:42 PM (AllCR)

95 Design a robe that opens from the front with velcro.


Posted by: Vendette at October 28, 2018 02:40 PM (tT986)

I like the cut of your jib.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at October 28, 2018 02:42 PM (T6t7i)

96 Them freaking hypocrite dims. Why is Calypso Farrakkkhan's tweet still posted?
Posted by: BebeDahl at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (WWS2B)


Because to take it down would be a sign of bigotry.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 28, 2018 02:42 PM (mUa7G)

97
Hymn 2: Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 02:43 PM (LsBY9)

98 Design a robe that opens from the front with velcro.


Posted by: Vendette at October 28, 2018 02:40 PM (tT986)



If it were my choice, he'd wear a Hawaiian shirt and khaki cut-offs. Of course, then we'd have to move to a church in Cancun......

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:43 PM (lwiT4)

99 Another thought, grammie - could you (or a church lady who sews, if you don't) cut a slit in his robe through which he could access a gun holstered on his belt? I know the altar boy robes at our church had that so the boys could get tissues out of their pants pockets if they needed to during Mass, and I thought it was a genius idea instead of having pockets that they would leave used tissues in.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:43 PM (U5tDi)

100 We have a couple of derelicts that sit in the back of the church during services. Both are undercover Deputy Sheriffs.

The first time I saw one of them, I thought 'Methhead'. When I saw him later, cleaned up, I was surprised.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 28, 2018 02:43 PM (2kj6M)

101
This reminds me of when "group responsibility" got it's start: "We're ALL responsible for what happened to JFK"

I blamed Mick Jagger.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 28, 2018 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

102 Do you have to give the secret handshake to get in?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 28, 2018 02:42 PM (aKsyK)

No, but I'll suggest that at the next Board meeting.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 02:43 PM (AllCR)

103 ... Blasted robe and shawl things. It would be much more helpful if he could wear an Underdog Tshirt and jeans like my last pastor.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (lwiT4)



Clyde Barrow holster, shorten the butt of a long gun and put on leather loop, put the loop over the shoulder and allow the weapon to dangle under the robe.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (7YukL)

104 nytimes.com cbd oil benefits
Why is CBD Everywhere?
https://tinyurl.com/yd8cma5l

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (T4oHT)

105 OK, this is a tangent and I'm not well versed in morality agruments, but...

was anyone else relieved that all the victims were 54 or older?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 28, 2018 02:35 PM (fuK7c)


It was during a bris, which means a couple and a week-old baby at the very least. I thought the same thing when they released the ages, and it's not exactly something I'm really feeling great about.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (mS+Df)

106 88
Yes, they are quite sensitive about Soros suddenly.

Posted by: Ktgreat

True, but I don't think they grasp the implications. Defending Soros means people will now link him with the left, and that's not good for them. He does his best work anonymously.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (T6t7i)

107 Just saw in this morning's church bulletin that the annual sharpshooter contest is coming up!

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (4HMW8)

108 Trump with a hilarious trumpian tweet on the idiot Steyer.


Soros. I marvel and despair at the near-obsession there seems to be with Soros, right here at the HQ. Problem is not Soros $, problem is with American voters. The villagers with the torches should forget about storming the castle where the evil boogeyman resides, and focus on the other villagers - their family, neighbors, colleagues, and friends - who are the problem.


And tea leaves provide no joy to the racist-authoritarians. FL especially. Early/absentee #s by party continue to show large R outperformance and D underperformance using recent cycles as benchmarks.



Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (QDnY+)

109 89 Yes to dislike Soros makes you an anti-Semite...Pay no attention to the fact that he was a stooge for the SS...... He is the one with blood on his hands
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (O2RFr
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This

Posted by: BebeDahl at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (WWS2B)

110 Or just make sure the stewards are carrying and have an alert word or phrase.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (7YukL)

111
Don't worry, we'll all be back to arguing about "lone wolves" soon when another leftist muslim goes wild.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (+BZ5R)

112 was anyone else relieved that all the victims were 54 or older?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 28, 2018 02:35 PM (fuK7c)


Raises hand....

Posted by: It's me donna at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (O2RFr)

113 "Nathaniel Friedman" is expressing this fallacy that drives me nuts. Of course there are evil people of Jewish descent just as there are evil people of every demographic (white, latino, black, Islamic, gay, female).

Does that mean Soros gets immunity (like Obama) from being held accountable based on the possibility that someone might overgeneralize and assume all people of <fill in the blank> are evil? It's stupid. You can't short circuit calling out evil people with this argument.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (/qEW2)

114
If I had to bet, I would bet that the sick Jew hater was pretty happy with the way O' Bumbles treated Israel.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (PtOP4)

115 Yes, they are quite sensitive about Soros suddenly.
Posted by: Ktgreat at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM (f8ilN)


He may be feeling some heat. He supposedly blew a lot of cash on the 2012 election.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (mUa7G)

116 I could make a lectern with a compartment to fit a handgun or carbine

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (T4oHT)

117 bluebell - that's an interesting idea. We do have a lot of women in our church who sew. Amazingly enough, I am not one of them. Shocked, I know.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (lwiT4)

118 Of Course the Marxists will say Soros equals Teh Jews. These fucksticks have no shame.

Posted by: Just Tarrible at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (21Sa0)

119 The only damn place a hezbollah flag can fly in public and nobody blinks is on a University campus.....Damn right there is a trend....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (wUFzV)

120 With all respect for the dead in PA, to me the Dem response seems pretty much business as usual: they must keep all the groups on the plantation.

Jews must stay on the plantation.

Black people must stay on the plantation.

Women must stay on the plantation.

Gay People must stay on the plantation.

To many who actually look at how the Dems form each narrative, this has to be insulting as hell. The Dems treat them as pets, no more no less.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 28, 2018 02:46 PM (ycWCI)

121 If it were my choice, he'd wear a Hawaiian shirt and khaki cut-offs. Of course, then we'd have to move to a church in Cancun......
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:43 PM (lwiT4)


Grammie, you have the best ideas!

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 02:46 PM (4HMW8)

122 I thought the same thing when they released the ages, and it's not exactly something I'm really feeling great about.

Posted by: hogmartin

As did I, but I don't regret feeling that way. I think it's natural to place more value on the futures of a young person than an old one. They, at least, got the chance to live their lives, or most of them.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at October 28, 2018 02:46 PM (T6t7i)

123 Oh my. I love that song.
Posted by: grammie winger
----------------

heh. *BLAM*..."Thus endeth the first Lesson"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 28, 2018 02:46 PM (2kj6M)

124 This is from yesterday but worth seeing if you haven't. Law enforcement is responsible for the Tree of Life shootings. CAVEAT: Your entering a pretzel logic zone!

https://bit.ly/2D9FUj4

I only hope if I'm there when the shit hits the fan, there'll be a blue check journalist there to subdue the gunman. I wonder why those stupid cops supported Trump in the first place.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 28, 2018 02:46 PM (+y/Ru)

125 I was so horrified kids would be victims, then relatives which did happen.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:47 PM (T4oHT)

126 grammie, you should have him talk to them about it. He can use the old "tissue argument" if he wants. The key is to making sure the slit is plenty long, way longer than the length of the gun would be, so that it would be easy to pul out in a hurry.

If the robe is flowy like our altar boys ones are, no one would notice it at all.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:47 PM (U5tDi)

127 One gets the impression that George Soros worships George Soros' "genius".

Posted by: mrp at October 28, 2018 02:48 PM (brlOh)

128 For church security, y'all might consider some old true, tried and tested approaches.


Sandbagged position with a Ma Deuce with a field of fire over the entrance, for starters. Concrete t-walls flanking the position. I always found those entrances entertaining. They never got messed with, either.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 02:48 PM (QDnY+)

129 bluebell - I am definitely going to pass your pocket idea along to Rev. They have an elders meeting next week, I think. The men are mostly farmers, and used to guns, so I think they will at least consider the idea.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:49 PM (lwiT4)

130 Oh sure, when I see the name Soros I think of the Jews - I think of all the Jews whom Soros robbed on behalf of the Nazis when they were sent to the camps.

Posted by: Hands at October 28, 2018 02:49 PM (786Ro)

131 Hates Jews, Israel, and Trump? Why, that sounds like an entire political party that I know of...

Posted by: t-bird at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (Z1eux)

132 If it were my choice, he'd wear a Hawaiian shirt and
khaki cut-offs. Of course, then we'd have to move to a church in
Cancun......
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:43 PM (lwiT4)


But, Lutheran. That means black socks with sandals, right?

Or is that just around here?

Posted by: Kindltot at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (mUa7G)

133 Not knowing how pastoral robes compare to choir robes, but it seems that the Rev could still carry as usual but he would have to draw his arm from the sleeve into the body of the robe or lift the hem to get to his weapon.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (4HMW8)

134 Just back from WeaselAcres. I managed to get my truck stucker than shit in the mud Saturday morning, and getting it unstuck consumed a large amount of time which would have been devoted to shooting and doing some chores.

Posted by: Weasel at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (whxOr)

135 Nathaniel Friedman is a dumbass. Soros is obviously a hard core atheist. I don't care what kind of hat he wears. Pure f'n evil.

Posted by: klaftern at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (RuIsu)

136
Past 100, so I can go OT. The lovely Miss Delilah was Best of Breed at today's Travis County KC show and her bonehead brother Val was Best of Opposite Sex. Big Kennel is getting ticked at us for winning when we show up.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (LsBY9)

137 We do have a lot of women in our church who sew. Amazingly enough, I am not one of them. Shocked, I know.
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:45 PM (lwiT4)


Well, someone had to step up and organize the ladies' drinking and swearing at baseball club. It's not like some froofy seamstress is going to run it.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (mS+Df)

138 Soros. I marvel and despair at the near-obsession there seems to be with Soros, right here at the HQ. Problem is not Soros $, problem is with American voters. The villagers with the torches should forget about storming the castle where the evil boogeyman resides, and focus on the other villagers - their family, neighbors, colleagues, and friends - who are the problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (QDnY+)


Sorry, gotta respectfully disagree. Soros exerts wildly disproportionate influence on those villagers through his extensive financial support for Red causes and candidates. The most nefarious: the Secretary of State project, to put committed Reds in charge of elections in various states, but it's only one of many examples.

Soro's bucks are spent on spreading disinformation to American voters, most of whom are not up enough on politics - busy with that living their lives business - to discern the extent to which they're being manipulated.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (YqDXo)

139 Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:31 PM (lwiT4)

+1.

Found a version of the Song of Moses (Exodus 15) in both Hebrew and English-- it has a good martial rhythm for times like this:

https://tinyurl.com/yac592mv

Some of the English lyrics:

The Lord is my strength and my song
And has become my salvation!
His right arm does valiantly
He has destroyed the enemy! . . .

Adonai is a Man of War
the Lord of Hosts is His name!
Pharaoh's chariots and his army
He has cast into the sea!

Posted by: Basement Cat at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (3C9q2)

140 These are the wages for not making the left pay for their evil and satanic mob behavior.

They have been throwing a three plus year violent temper tantrum against the President his supporters and GOP in general and have not been taken to the wood shed over it.

So when they activate their sleepers and they "attack" their designated leftist targets the left then turns around and cries that it's the left that's uncivil and a danger.

It's pure projection.

The right has to turn up the heat not turn down the heat on calling out the left for their dangerous and insurrectionist incivility.


Posted by: Kreplach at October 28, 2018 02:51 PM (kT3/m)

141
Yes, they are quite sensitive about Soros suddenly.

Posted by: Ktgreat at October 28, 2018 02:41 PM


Yeah, the marching orders were delivered by guess who? Yup, the New York Times last week. That people on the right side of the political spectrum hate him for the sole reason that he was (is? - fvck it, I don't know) Jewish.

A guy who took the personal belongings away from Jews being sent off to death camps? Yeah, I hate him. It's got nothing to do with whatever religion he is/was. It makes him a despicable human being for NOT being so wracked with guilt that he can't get out of bed every morning. Or showing just the slightest remorse.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at October 28, 2018 02:52 PM (URwyc)

142 Condemns supposed anti-Semitism, while supporting BDS, and calling people with different views "you people"...

This particular person does not understand logic.
This particular person does understand identity politics.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at October 28, 2018 02:52 PM (wFDuq)

143 Let us now turn to Hymn 1



https://preview.tinyurl.com/yauljadk

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (KoKdw)



Oh my. I love that song.

-
Now let us turn to the Book of John Moses Browning, verse .45.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 28, 2018 02:52 PM (+y/Ru)

144 bluebell - I am definitely going to pass your pocket idea along to Rev. They have an elders meeting next week, I think. The men are mostly farmers, and used to guns, so I think they will at least consider the idea.
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:49 PM (lwiT4)
---------

Good. It's a start, anyway, and hopefully will get them thinking about the bigger picture.

And if they want to go further, have him email my husband.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:53 PM (U5tDi)

145 Well, someone had to step up and organize the
ladies' drinking and swearing at baseball club. It's not like some
froofy seamstress is going to run it.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (mS+Df)


Darn Tootin!!

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:53 PM (lwiT4)

146
Al Sharpton, Calypso Louis, half the Democrat party = not anti-semitic. President Trump with a Jewish son-in-law, grandkids and daughter who converted along with his very pro-Israel stance = anti-semitic. Got it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 28, 2018 02:53 PM (SiINZ)

147 And if they want to go further, have him email my husband.



Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:53 PM (U5tDi)



I will. Bless you.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:53 PM (lwiT4)

148 Mexico Grand Prix is starting on ABC
The 2 Red Bulls are in the front, Hamilton behind them, Vettel next. Sadly the 2 Haas cars are in back in their worst qualifying of the year.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 02:53 PM (T4oHT)

149 Since the Bronze Age, Jews have fought for their lives. Throughout the Diaspora, we've never found a true home outside of Israel, except for North America, particularly in the United States. Trump has been a friend to Jews. His gesture of moving the embassy was meaningful. Julia Ioffe can just suck it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 28, 2018 02:53 PM (5aX2M)

150 I think it's ok to differentiate between those practicing Judism, Christianity, Paganism, and Neo-Babylonianism. I'd go as far as to say there are very few real practicing atheists (they may believe that they are atheists but they are practicing a religion honoring their gods).

Posted by: Just Tarrible at October 28, 2018 02:54 PM (21Sa0)

151 To my astonishment, I keep finding my estimate of much of the country and of the mainstream public square *can* be lowered. The online insanity and idiocy of the type CBD highlights in the post being the reason.


Idiots like Joffe likely don't even have the slightest familiarity with actual history, so the dark irony is galactic, but all of the upside-down blood libels and deranged slanders against Trump and his supporters are dead-ringers for .... the sort of toxic nonsense ginned up by the actual Nazis against actual Jewry in the 1930s and early 1940s.



Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 02:54 PM (QDnY+)

152 Past 100, so I can go OT. The lovely Miss Delilah was Best of Breed at today's Travis County KC show and her bonehead brother Val was Best of Opposite Sex. Big Kennel is getting ticked at us for winning when we show up.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (LsBY9)
--------

Congrats yet again, Hadrian! I know you put an awful lot of time and resources into your doggies so I'm glad they are doing so well at all these shows.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 02:54 PM (U5tDi)

153
Soros is about as Jewish as Barry is a Christian.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 28, 2018 02:54 PM (SiINZ)

154 Since the Bronze Age, Jews have fought for their lives.

That's a whole lot of poisoned wells. You guys really should stop doing that.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 02:55 PM (T6t7i)

155 Found a version of the Song of Moses (Exodus 15) in both Hebrew and English-- it has a good martial rhythm for times like this:



https://tinyurl.com/yac592mv



Some of the English lyrics:



The Lord is my strength and my song

And has become my salvation!

His right arm does valiantly

He has destroyed the enemy! . . .



Adonai is a Man of War

the Lord of Hosts is His name!

Pharaoh's chariots and his army

He has cast into the sea!



Posted by: Basement Cat at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (3C9q2)


I recognize this, with a bit of a change in the lyrics. Unfortunately, songs like these with militaristic themes have been or are in the process of being tossed from the hymnbooks of several major Protestant denominations.

Posted by: Vendette at October 28, 2018 02:56 PM (tT986)

156 Hadrian - I'm very happy for you and your beautiful dogs!

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:56 PM (lwiT4)

157 I understand that if your mother is Jewish you are too, but if would be interesting to ask some of these people what-aside from that makes them Jewish? So many leftists don't go to synagogue ever. In my family are atheists. They don't pray. Don't read the Scripture he don't observe the High Holy Days. Most didn't make their bar or bat mitzvah, They are well educated The ones who went to services have die off so it has a much importance is "secular Jewish camps
What's the point?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 02:56 PM (AllCR)

158 130 Oh sure, when I see the name Soros I think of the Jews - I think of all the Jews whom Soros robbed on behalf of the Nazis when they were sent to the camps.
Posted by: Hands at October 28, 2018 02:49 PM (786Ro)

This. Is Soros even a practicing Jew, or merely an ethnic one?

For myself 'Jewish' does not really enter the list when I think about the dude.

1) Evil Asshole.
2) Bond Villain.
3) Creepy motherfucker.
4) Nazi.
5) Rich.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 28, 2018 02:58 PM (ycWCI)

159 Unfortunately, songs like these with militaristic themes have been or are in the process of being tossed from the hymnbooks of several major Protestant denominations.

Tell me about it. The same thing is happening in some of the newer Roman Catholic hymnals.

Posted by: Basement Cat at October 28, 2018 02:58 PM (3C9q2)

160
minority groups are waking up and leaving in droves...

BJM: Yeah! And some of um are takin' the train, too!

Posted by: BJM at October 28, 2018 02:58 PM (O74hG)

161 I read an article last week claiming that George Soros was planting "Evangelicals" into church-world to challenge the traditional support for Israel among evangelical circles. These false paid-for 'spokemen' are getting the MSM's attention.

PLEASE be careful when you hear a so-called evangelical cast doubt on supporting Israel. They could very well be a Soros plant. The report came from a reputable source.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:59 PM (lwiT4)

162 Unfortunately, songs like these with militaristic themes have been or are in the process of being tossed from the hymnbooks of several major Protestant denominations.
Posted by: Vendette at October 28, 2018 02:56 PM (tT986)


Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:00 PM (4HMW8)

163 Because to take it down would be a sign of bigotry.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 28, 2018 02:42 PM (mUa7G)
-----
Ah yes. Reverse discrimination. It's what for dinner within the dims' cookbook.

Posted by: BebeDahl at October 28, 2018 03:00 PM (WWS2B)

164 The only place where I encountered real Jew-hate up front and personal was in Berkeley among the hard left and NYC among the hard left.

-
I once read some speculation on the underlying factors of the Holocaust that stated that the Jews were hated because they introduced the concept of morality thus throwing a wet blanket on the use of power to achieve wealth and pleasure. That may be why the left hates them as well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 28, 2018 03:00 PM (+y/Ru)

165 "Soro's bucks are spent on spreading disinformation to American voters,
most of whom are not up enough on politics - busy with that living their
lives business - to discern the extent to which they're being
manipulated."


I've been quite familiar with the slimy fascist mindset of the Soros people since long before the Secretary of State project.


And sorry, just as the insane murderer is responsible for his murder of people in Pittsburgh yesterday, voters are fucking responsible for their votes.


OR - alternatively, they're like dogs, who aren't responsible for chewing up the nice new shoes because ..... well, they're dogs.


Yeah yeah I'm oversimplifying a bit, but it's a comments section.


I hold everyone responsible for everything they do.


No donor creates the people or stupidity or alien mindsets we're talking about. Those are the problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 03:00 PM (QDnY+)

166 I would just like to ask this idiot assassin, "why do you think Israel is a greater threat to civilization than Islam? They are our best ally against Islam. Jews have been patriots who have helped keep communism at bay (scientists like Edward Teller). They've assimilated to such an extent that you have 99% more in common with most of them than you do than with most Muslims. What is wrong with you?"

I realize there is a traditional antisemitism in some aspects of western culture, but so much of traditional culture has been discarded and new norms have been adopted, I'd think that antisemitism would have long been discarded or forgotten by now. Adam Sandler is a cretin, but the Hannukah Song highlights the important point that nobody cares anymore.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 28, 2018 03:00 PM (/qEW2)

167 Onward, Christian Soldiers
Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:00 PM (4HMW

Battle Hymn of the Republic

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 28, 2018 03:01 PM (ycWCI)

168 So,
If George Soros learns that he is not the actual antiChrist, will he be disappointed?

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:01 PM (4HMW8)

169 Soro's bucks are spent on spreading disinformation to American voters, most of whom are not up enough on politics - busy with that living their lives business - to discern the extent to which they're being manipulated.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 28, 2018 02:50 PM (YqDXo)



MFM: What are we? Chopped liars?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 28, 2018 03:02 PM (SiINZ)

170 You:why do you think Israel
is a greater threat to civilization than Islam? They are our best ally
against Islam. Jews have been patriots who have helped keep communism at
bay (scientists like Edward Teller). They've assimilated to such an
extent that you have 99% more in common with most of them than you do
than with most Muslims.

Him:Wut?

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:02 PM (T6t7i)

171 "Stand up, Stand up for Jesus - ye soldiers of the Cross. Lift high His royal banner, it must not suffer loss."

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:02 PM (lwiT4)

172 164
I once read some speculation on the underlying factors of the Holocaust that stated that the Jews were hated because they introduced the concept of morality thus throwing a wet blanket on the use of power to achieve wealth and pleasure. That may be why the left hates them as well.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 28, 2018 03:00 PM (+y/Ru)


I think that's the nub of the matter. And it goes back way farther than the Holocaust.

Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2018 03:02 PM (sdi6R)

173 MFM: What are we? Chopped liars?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 28, 2018 03:02 PM (SiINZ)

We could only hope.*

*Divisive, eliminationist rhetoric.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 28, 2018 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

174 The Jewish Interfaith-community woman here also blamed Trump. Subtle, but she carefully and clearly used the phrase "....in these times....'
At least she didn't blame Trump supporters. Yet.
Industrial-strength stupid.

Posted by: dad29 at October 28, 2018 03:03 PM (7Kti7)

175 A little comedy relief. An update to The Monster Mash.

https://youtu.be/qx1mboWYn0c

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 28, 2018 03:03 PM (+y/Ru)

176 PLEASE be careful when you hear a so-called evangelical cast doubt on supporting Israel. They could very well be a Soros plant. The report came from a reputable source.
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:59 PM (lwiT4)


Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:03 PM (4HMW8)

177 minority groups are waking up and leaving in droves...

What became of the WalkAway March that was scheduled for yesterday? Or was it overshadowed by the shooting in Pittsburgh?

https://walkawaymarch.com/

Posted by: Basement Cat at October 28, 2018 03:04 PM (3C9q2)

178 I'm a little miffed that they get all the good deals I'll say that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:05 PM (EzXDh)

179 Neo-Babylonianism.

I know my grammar leaves something to be desired but it's not that bad.

Posted by: DaveA at October 28, 2018 03:05 PM (FhXTo)

180 PLEASE be careful when you hear a so-called evangelical cast doubt on
supporting Israel. They could very well be a Soros plant. The report
came from a reputable source.




Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:59 PM (lwiT4)



Also the National Council of Churches. Liberal outfit.

Posted by: Vendette at October 28, 2018 03:05 PM (tT986)

181 I wish Rev could carry in the pulpit. He is the one facing the door. Blasted robe and shawl things. It would be much more helpful if he could wear an Underdog Tshirt and jeans like my last pastor.
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (lwiT4)

Are you kidding? Do you know how much hardware you can conceal under robes?

He could have a damn Vepr in 54r under there!

"Die, Christian scum!"

BOOOM *walls echo*

Posted by: Vanya at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (7PLM4)

182 Tell it like it is CBD! Etz Chaim is a very prog group overall, unlike the orthodox shuls in Pittsburgh. This man was a pure anti-Semite, otherwise I'm sure he'd have found plenty of Trump haters there. I have family who lived there recently and told me that Etz Chaim was no hotbed of GOP support. The man just chose a prominent synagogue with unlocked doors for his crime.

And yes, I know plenty of people from my synagogue who have wasted no time in their condemnation of the President over this atrocity in Squirrel Hill. They also blamed Trump for the Scalise shooting, the Stoneham Douglas shootings, and well....everything. The twitterers above are not out of the ordinary

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (U7k5w)

183 Nate, Julie, and Jen are just repeating the refrain, "Everything will be horrible until you give the Democrats all the power they demand."

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (4HMW8)

184 Jews were hated because they introduced the concept of morality

I really don't think that's it. Islam has its own (twisted) morality, but they aren't the object of such relentless hatred.

I think it's the classics. Jews are comparatively insular, and far more successful than the average, thus making them "the other" and a source of shame and resentment for one's own shortcomings. Not a good position for a minority.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (T6t7i)

185
God of Our Fathers

Are Ye Able, Said the Master

Not to mention vile guitar twanging instead of a decent organ.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (LsBY9)

186 Last time I looked the DNC was chaired by 2 of the biggest anti Semites I have ever seen.

Posted by: navybrat, has no evidence that my bathroom scale is accurate at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (w7KSn)

187 Leftism does hate religion since it displaces their allegiance to big government. I don't get their alliance with Islam, it actually will destroy Leftism when they come head to head but Leftism for their long range plans doesn't seem to have that answer yet that I see.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (T4oHT)

188
Yeah yeah I'm oversimplifying a bit, but it's a comments section.

I hold everyone responsible for everything they do.

No donor creates the people or stupidity or alien mindsets we're talking about. Those are the problem.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 03:00 PM (QDnY+)


People are as good as their incentives. Money is good incentive.
It is even a better incentive for leaders of groups when are paid to do the things they already want to do, but couldn't afford to do without a very generous donor.


Posted by: Kindltot at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (mUa7G)

189 I think that's the nub of the matter. And it goes back way farther than the Holocaust.
Posted by: rickl at October 28, 2018 03:02 PM (sdi6R)

I think it is simpler. People are tribal assholes.

Jews have borne the brunt of many an asshole simply because they are a definable group that has often cherished it's unique identity and has at times either through it's reaction to others or by it's own hand separated itself from the main herd. Throw in that it has always been a minority (except regionally) and you have a ready made group that can be the target of morons.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 28, 2018 03:07 PM (ycWCI)

190 Stand up, Stand up for Jesus

A Mighty Fortress Is Our God
The Son of God Goes Forth to War

Posted by: Basement Cat at October 28, 2018 03:07 PM (3C9q2)

191 So when they [the left] activate their sleepers and they "attack" their designated leftist targets the left then turns around and cries that it's the [right] that's uncivil and a danger.

*************

I think Kreplach meant it with these edits. If so, I agree. The timing is rather astonishing.

So I am supposed to believe these attacks were coincidental given the traction from jobs not mobs?

I think both had been long identified as potentially useful and were wound up and set loose at the time of their masters choosing.

Posted by: Smaug at October 28, 2018 03:07 PM (5F7lS)

192 "Soros" is shorthand for "pure evil".

Posted by: Sharkman at October 28, 2018 03:07 PM (2eKoI)

193 Also the National Council of Churches. Liberal outfit.
Posted by: Vendette at October 28, 2018 03:05 PM (tT986)


I've been hearing about the NCC for decades, probably first from a Chick pamphlet.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:07 PM (4HMW8)

194 Are you kidding? Do you know how much hardware you can conceal under robes?


Yeah, he could fit a cannon in there. The problem is quick access. Not so easy when you're dressed like Martin Luther.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:07 PM (lwiT4)

195 Look how many Democrats should be or known as Catholic yet would risk all to keep abortion around.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:08 PM (T4oHT)

196 I once read some speculation on the underlying factors of the Holocaust that stated that the Jews were hated because they introduced the concept of morality thus throwing a wet blanket on the use of power to achieve wealth and pleasure.


Jews have been pretty well hated and scapegoated in lots of eras and contexts, not just the Holocaust. You've got Pogroms in Eastern Europe, Spain in the 1490s, England in whichever year that King had the thing.

And the secular-racial-religious debate is not new. Who is a Jew? The Jews in 1920s Germany thought they were assimilated. They were Germans first and Jews second.

And then came the Nuremberg Laws which defined Jewishness by specific increments and applied law in those increments.

So Jew is belief, practice, tradition, and family. It's also blood. It depends on who is looking and who is counting.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 28, 2018 03:08 PM (fuK7c)

197 Still think a pocket in a lectern is better.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:08 PM (T4oHT)

198 And the unified response of media push back for Soros just proves how powerful the old nazi really is.

Posted by: Smaug at October 28, 2018 03:08 PM (5F7lS)

199 48 I wish Rev could carry in the pulpit. He is the one facing the door. Blasted robe and shawl things. It would be much more helpful if he could wear an Underdog Tshirt and jeans like my last pastor.
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (lwiT4)


How about an extra, hollowed out, Bible?

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 28, 2018 03:08 PM (di1hb)

200 Yeah, he could fit a cannon in there. The problem is quick access. Not so easy when you're dressed like Martin Luther.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:07 PM (lwiT4

I'm seeing a business opportunity here for pastor concealed carry robes.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:09 PM (EzXDh)

201 Not to mention vile guitar twanging instead of a decent organ.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (LsBY9)



I'm right here, you know.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:09 PM (lwiT4)

202 Yeah, he could fit a cannon in there. The problem is quick access. Not so easy when you're dressed like Martin Luther.


Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey-


Why would he have to extract the weapon? He could just go all Clint Eastwood through the vestments.


I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:09 PM (T6t7i)

203 I know my grammar leaves something to be desired

A grammar winger?

(That one's for you, grammie.)

Posted by: BJM at October 28, 2018 03:09 PM (O74hG)

204 By the way, Soros looks more and more like a fucking Sith lord with each passing year. It's something around his eyes, and no, it's not just age. Being that twisted inside eventually leaks out of your pores, I think.

Posted by: Vanya at October 28, 2018 03:09 PM (7PLM4)

205 I don't get their alliance with Islam, it actually will destroy Leftism when they come head to head but Leftism for their long range plans doesn't seem to have that answer yet that I see.
Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (T4oHT)


I think Islam's authoritarianism and subjugation appeals to them.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:09 PM (4HMW8)

206 minority groups are waking up and leaving in droves...


Blexit

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybscly2g


Posted by: Braenyard at October 28, 2018 03:09 PM (7YukL)

207
Actually I'm surprised Fanny Crosby hasn't been written off completely.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:10 PM (LsBY9)

208 I'm seeing a business opportunity here for pastor concealed carry robes.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:09 PM (EzXDh)
---------

I won the Home Ec award in 8th grade. I should start a business.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 03:10 PM (U5tDi)

209 Leftism does hate religion since it displaces their allegiance to big government. I don't get their alliance with Islam, it actually will destroy Leftism when they come head to head but Leftism for their long range plans doesn't seem to have that answer yet that I see.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (T4oHT)

Modern Western Leftists are more motivated by self-hate and nihilism than by Marxism. Sure, they still want to take everyone's shit, but what they really want is to see the end of the West. It goes back to individual societies and guilt being used as the main self-control mechanism. Western Leftists are those damaged personalities that can't control the guilt mechanism and are consumed by disembodied, illusory guilt that they blame their fathers for and can only be alleviated with the eventual end of them and all they find familiar.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 28, 2018 03:10 PM (BHXAq)

210 How about an extra, hollowed out, Bible?

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 28, 2018 03:08 PM (di1hb)


Apparently, there's a Hymnal for that. At least from what Mike Hammer showed me. So cool.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:10 PM (lwiT4)

211 197 Still think a pocket in a lectern is better.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:08 PM (T4oHT)

Unless he's one a dem moving and shakin pastors all preaching the word all over the place.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:11 PM (EzXDh)

212 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (LsBY9)

WE have an organ. The woman who plays it is in her 90's and has been playing the organ since she was about 10. She has been playing there for about 55 years. She's not a member of our church-which I don't understand-but she loves to play and she's convinced that regular playing of the organ has kept her mind young.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 03:11 PM (AllCR)

213 Western Leftists are those damaged personalities that can't control the
guilt mechanism and are consumed by disembodied, illusory guilt that
they blame their fathers for and can only be alleviated with the
eventual end of them and all they find familiar.


Disagree. Leftists don't see themselves as guilty, they see others as guilty for not recognizing the leftist's brilliance and obvious right to rule.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:12 PM (T6t7i)

214 Unless he's one a dem moving and shakin pastors all preaching the word all over the place.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:11 PM (EzXDh)



Nah, he's Skandi. They don't move unless ABBA's playing.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:12 PM (lwiT4)

215 I hate nazis i hate antisemites. Both of these come from the left. Color me a nationalist Catholic. Fuck these prgresive nazi jew hating fucks. Im angry.

Posted by: Usntakim profoundly deplorable at October 28, 2018 03:12 PM (0OmEj)

216 >>> I am a Jew and I despise the racism that Trump has condoned in this country....
-Jen


Direct to the point - What the Fuck is this 'Jen' talking about?
Actually that is rhetorical.

I do not care what she is talking about and will not suffer an explanation. 'Jen' presents a baseless assumption as an irrefutable fact.

In context 'Jen' asserts that Trump is antisemitic and demonstrates her own biases. This is not the pot calling the kettle black.

IOW - 'Jen' is the racist.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 28, 2018 03:12 PM (1g7ch)

217
I won the Home Ec award in 8th grade. I should start a business.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 03:10 PM (U5tDi)

Can you do a carry grass skirt?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:13 PM (EzXDh)

218 Test

Posted by: Phineas at October 28, 2018 03:13 PM (EVxtA)

219 "I'm seeing a business opportunity here for pastor concealed carry Kevlar robes."


Helpful suggestion.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 28, 2018 03:13 PM (fuK7c)

220 WE have an organ. ...
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Sorry, but having guitars anywhere on the premises is like having a skunk loose in the church. Sure, it might not do anything bad, but do you really want to risk it?

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:13 PM (T6t7i)

221 I'm seeing a business opportunity here for pastor concealed carry robes.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:09 PM (EzXDh)

You'd need a breakaway slot to throw them open quickly, maybe closed with velcro.

Posted by: Vanya at October 28, 2018 03:14 PM (7PLM4)

222 I would just like to ask this idiot assassin, "why do you think Israel is a greater threat to civilization than Islam? They are our best ally against Islam. Jews have been patriots who have helped keep communism at bay (scientists like Edward Teller). They've assimilated to such an extent that you have 99% more in common with most of them than you do than with most Muslims. What is wrong with you?"

I think he might respond by pointing out that Marx was Jewish and that Communism/Leftism has been advanced disproportionately by Jews.

(Whether that is actually true or not I don't know, but I think it would be an easy argument to make - I certainly get the impression that a lot of folks in the hard left a century of so ago were of Jewish descent. One of those little awkward facts that lends a veneer of logic to lunatic conclusions.)

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 03:14 PM (bZ7mE)

223 For every Jew who voted for him and supports him because of what he means for Israel...

Aw, shucks. I regret that I had but one pallet of cash to give to Iran...

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at October 28, 2018 03:14 PM (DCYln)

224
And Lila got a Hound Group 4 under Frank Sabella, her first group placement (and I hope not her last).

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:14 PM (LsBY9)

225 Can you do a carry grass skirt?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:13 PM (EzXDh)
----------

Heck yeah. Child's play.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 03:14 PM (U5tDi)

226 Nah, he's Skandi. They don't move unless ABBA's playing.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:12 PM (lwiT4)


ROFL!!!!!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:15 PM (EzXDh)

227 How about an extra, hollowed out, Bible?
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf


You can probably borrow one from an Episcopalian lectern

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 28, 2018 03:15 PM (5bz7Q)

228 Pretty sure "Soros" is Esperanto shorhand for nazi scum.

Posted by: Smaug at October 28, 2018 03:15 PM (5F7lS)

229 Sorry, but having guitars anywhere on the premises is like having a skunk loose in the church. Sure, it might not do anything bad, but do you really want to risk it?
Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:13 PM (T6t7i)

This. Guitars are a gateway drug to silliness.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 28, 2018 03:15 PM (ycWCI)

230 How about an extra, hollowed out, Bible?
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf

You can probably borrow one from an Episcopalian lectern
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 28, 2018 03:15 PM (5bz7Q)


HEY-YOOOOOOO

Posted by: hogmartin at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (mS+Df)

231 You can probably borrow one from an Episcopalian lectern

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 28, 2018 03:15 PM (5bz7Q)



Oh - scorch!

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (lwiT4)

232 194
Are you kidding? Do you know how much hardware you can conceal under robes?
Yes.

I am quite aware.

Posted by: The Paolo at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (8iiMU)

233 Last weekend was the "The right is the real violent side, see these terrifying (non-functining) bombs?" In the never let a crisis go to waste culture this is the pressure Jews moment, I guess.

What the hell does this have to do with Soros? Did the killer mention Soros?

Posted by: Gem at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (XoAz8)

234 Did Bowers even care about the embassy move? Did he *mention* that? Again, this is that stupid argument: should the left be able to constrain your behavior, preventing you from doing the right thing because they give you the hypothetical "this might make someone crazy and then it will be YOUR FAULT". Better not outlaw slavery. It might piss off klansmen and lead to more lynchings.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (/qEW2)

235
Heck yeah. Child's play.

Posted by: bluebell at October 28, 2018 03:14 PM (U5tDi)

Partner! Lol. Etttes...love em.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (EzXDh)

236 You can probably borrow one from an Episcopalian lectern
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 28, 2018 03:15 PM (5bz7Q)


Heh.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (T71PA)

237
Guitars: too simple for novices, too complicated for experts.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (LsBY9)

238 Guitars are a gateway drug to silliness.




My naughty list keeps getting longer and longer.....

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:17 PM (lwiT4)

239 How about an extra, hollowed out, Bible?

Why the secrecy? Armed acolytes.

Posted by: t-bird at October 28, 2018 03:17 PM (Y9zp1)

240 okay, which one of you was this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-26/
porn-watching-federal-worker-infect-govt-
network-rogue-russian-malware

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 28, 2018 03:18 PM (v9rtm)

241 Leftism when they come head to head but Leftism for their long range plans doesn't seem to have that answer yet that I see.

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM


They figure the country will become like Saudi Arabia -- where the leaders, when in public, are super Islamic but out of view laugh at the rubes.

The left wants, no... demands power. Unfortunately when that happens 99% of Americans will be worse off. To the 1% who will be in power, that's an acceptable number. As long as they're in power.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at October 28, 2018 03:18 PM (URwyc)

242 107 Just saw in this morning's church bulletin that the annual sharpshooter contest is coming up!
Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 02:44 PM (4HMW


It just struck me that this comment could be construed in a way not intended.

I meant, we are not looking to cause trouble, but we can defend ourselves if trouble comes looking for us.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:18 PM (4HMW8)

243 What the hell does this have to do with Soros? Did the killer mention Soros?
Posted by: Gem at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (XoAz


No, the enemy did. The killer isn't their enemy. They don't care what he said. We're their enemy. That's why they're talking about Soros.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 28, 2018 03:19 PM (mS+Df)

244 238 Guitars are a gateway drug to silliness.

My naughty list keeps getting longer and longer.....
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:17 PM (lwiT4)

I am Catholic and I grew up in a really hard left parish, but did not even know it until I went to college. I've seen things.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 28, 2018 03:19 PM (ycWCI)

245 Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:13 PM (T6t7i)

We don't use guitars in services, We have a keyboard and sometimes some of the newer hymns, but the only time we have a guitar so far is. when we have different groups play in our fellowship hall These were our hymns for today
"Now thank we all our God". "Christ whose glory flls the skies" and Lord, dismiss us with thy blessing. First two hymns from the 17th and 18th century, The last one is a bit more recent. They like the hymns that one guy calls "the old time religion"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 03:20 PM (AllCR)

246 I made a suggestion at a teachers meeting that instead of No Gun Zone we should have signs saying Patroled By Armed Personnel.

You'd think I slapped a bitch.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:20 PM (EzXDh)

247 My daughter sings for one of those "plant" churches. It's full of young people, and they're very enthusiastic, which is great. Alas, they have the whole modern ensemble of acoustic and electric guitars, bass, amps, and drums. The drummer sits inside a plexiglass booth so as not to be too loud.

The one time I went, I found my mind wandering to whether the thing had airholes, and if so, how long the drummer would last in there if I shut them all up.

Church is a time for quiet reflection, not getting your boogie on.

Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:20 PM (T6t7i)

248 No, the enemy did. The killer isn't their enemy. They don't care what he said. We're their enemy. That's why they're talking about Soros.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 28, 2018 03:19 PM (mS+Df)

No, it is all about limiting our use of arguments. Soros is a Bond level villain. However, if they make him Jewish first, they think this magically shields him from any criticism.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 28, 2018 03:21 PM (ycWCI)

249
I meant, we are not looking to cause trouble, but we can defend ourselves if trouble comes looking for us.

Posted by: Emmie


I got a list of bishops you can "just miss".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:21 PM (LsBY9)

250 I attended a Protestant evangelical service in Bora Bora last Sunday. Vaitape.
It was great. All in French with Tahitian music.
They made the visitors sit all the way in front.
One of the most beautiful things I have ever experienced.

Posted by: navybrat, has no evidence that my bathroom scale is accurate at October 28, 2018 03:21 PM (w7KSn)

251 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 03:20 PM (AllCR)

Jesus loves ukulele. Amen.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:21 PM (EzXDh)

252 I posted previously that I have always anticipated these attacks as it is the crazies that will first carry out the violence in this atmosphere of division and irreconcilable differences. The hard reality is it has just begun. The only question is whether they will drag the non-crazies into it .

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 03:21 PM (2DOZq)

253 The drummer sits inside a plexiglass booth so as not to be too loud.



I watched a church service online today where the drums were set up like that. I think my sister's church does that too.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:22 PM (lwiT4)

254 Church is a time for quiet reflection, not getting your boogie on.

Now get off my lawn.
Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:20 PM (T6t7i)

This. Music should be used to augment, but not be the focus in of itself. I am reminded of medieval churches which had screens so you could hear the music of the choir, but could not see them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 28, 2018 03:22 PM (ycWCI)

255 I don't get it: Supporting Israel and Jews is WRONG, now, and somehow translates into...hating Jews??

I can translate. For these "ethnically Jewish" progtards, "Jews" are themselves and people like them who don't believe in any sky bully but use "Jewish" purely as a source of intersectionality points. Actual practicing Jews (e.g. Orthodox) are thus not Jews. If you apply that framing, everything these idiots say makes an awful, perfect sense.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 28, 2018 03:23 PM (14Vq+)

256 Just got back from the library. The parking lot was jammed with people there to vote early.

I checked out "Days of Rage" and the young hipsterish guy at the desk said "Ha, we're living in 'em!" He verified my name and address associated with my library card. "Just like voting!", I said. "Oh, they would never verify ID at the polls, but they should" he replied, sotto voce.

Maybe people really are getting fed up.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 28, 2018 03:23 PM (kQs4Y)

257 I got a list of bishops you can "just miss".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:21 PM (LsBY9)


Ha ha! We call our event a "turkey shoot."

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:23 PM (4HMW8)

258 I meant...AMEN!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 28, 2018 03:23 PM (EzXDh)

259 It was great. All in French with Tahitian music.
They made the visitors sit all the way in front.
One of the most beautiful things I have ever experienced.
Posted by: navybrat, has no evidence that my bathroom scale is accurate at October 28, 2018 03:21 PM (w7KSn)


Did they do that Tahitian high tempo hip shaking?


Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 28, 2018 03:23 PM (1g7ch)

260 "I'm seeing a business opportunity here for pastor concealed carry Kevlar robes."

The Kevlar reminded me of that WWII oldie but goodie, "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition."

Kay Kyser's version from 1943:

https://tinyurl.com/yaxhmpd4

Posted by: Basement Cat at October 28, 2018 03:23 PM (3C9q2)

261 Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:20 PM (T6t7i)

I don't mind some of the modern praise choruses but if you have knee or feet problemsit's hard to stand up for the praise time that lasts 20 minutes or more during the service

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 03:23 PM (AllCR)

262 navybrat - in Bora Bora? Sounds wonderful!

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:24 PM (lwiT4)

263 What the hell does this have to do with Soros? Did the killer mention Soros?
Posted by: Gem at October 28, 2018 03:16 PM (XoAz


The Reds are seizing this opportunity to protect Soros because he's a major source of bankrolling for their crap.

See, e.g., MoveOn.org, Secretary of State project, any number of leftist candidates' campaigns.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 28, 2018 03:24 PM (YqDXo)

264 "Did they do that Tahitian high tempo hip shaking?"

That was later, with the Polynesian Dance Troupe.
Fire dance, the whole bit.
Awesome.

Posted by: navybrat, has no evidence that my bathroom scale is accurate at October 28, 2018 03:24 PM (w7KSn)

265 Soros is shorthand for Nazi collaborator.

Posted by: LASue at October 28, 2018 03:25 PM (XROPS)

266 Does this go back to Isaac and Ishmael?

Posted by: lin-duh at October 28, 2018 03:26 PM (kufk0)

267 What the hell does this have to do with Soros?

The first fake bomb (and notice that the media first reported in depth about how stupidly fake they were and suddenly shut up) went to Soros.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 28, 2018 03:26 PM (14Vq+)

268 I looked at the link about "Just Men" and wondered how many of them we could accurately name for this generation.

I think Trump and Bibi would be on the list.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:26 PM (4HMW8)

269 One interesting thing about church music is that it is just about the last place in Western culture where non-professional singers sing on a regular basis. Used to be that if you wanted to hear music, you made it yourself or went to where someone else was making it.

The older hymns were composed for congregations of folks for whom the singing was probably a daily activity, and thus were probably far better at it than are modern congregations.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 03:26 PM (bZ7mE)

270 I'm not for splitting the nation. But what is the alternative short of real civil war. Keep you powder dry and keep praying Horde.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at October 28, 2018 03:27 PM (DKwYO)

271 Is it okay for Jewish people to criticize Trotsky and Lenin and Marx? I put Soros in that same group of JINOs.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 03:27 PM (2DOZq)

272 i wonder if you have to be black to wear one of these?

https://pagesix.com/2018/10/27/kanye-west-designed
-t-shirts-urging-black-people-to-bail-on-democrats/

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 28, 2018 03:27 PM (v9rtm)

273 Has does anyone who is of somewhat lower intelligence with mental problems (according the the fake bombersLawyers) figure out where George soros lives

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 03:27 PM (AllCR)

274 Can we nominate Mollie Hemingway for the "Just Men" list?

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:28 PM (4HMW8)

275 Remember the Russians and all sorts of others want to sow Dischord and rile everyone up with these ludicrous, wild claims. Dont let them get to you.

Posted by: LASue at October 28, 2018 03:28 PM (XROPS)

276 I think people should be free to choose what type of music they want to enhance their spiritual experience. My church does Vigil Mass with piano and guitar and a flute. Mass on Sunday uses the pipe organ and choir. There is no right way to celebrate Or worship.

Have a lovely Sunday!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 28, 2018 03:28 PM (PkVlr)

277 Church is a time for quiet reflection, not getting your boogie on.



Some of the Psalms would beg to differ. But I understand what you're saying. For me, music connects me to God in an additional way to the spoken word. I tend to like worship music. But some people connect through quiet reflection and traditional hymns. I get that. It's preference more than doctrine, I think.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:28 PM (lwiT4)

278

The Simpsons have confirmed that controversial character Apu will be cut out of future episodes.

The long-running show has come under fire for it's depiction of Kwik-E-Mart owner Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, with viewers complaining that the character promotes racist stereotypes of people of Indian and Asian descent.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 28, 2018 03:29 PM (aKsyK)

279 OT: apparently a follow-on "caravan" thinggy has been pretty much broken up in Guatemala, by police, setting up checkpoints, making people walk, etc. I'd bet several pesos that the Guatemalan govt. has gotten religion, largely based on the iron fist of the US hovering over their heads.


Why Mexico is defying the US, attempting to humiliate Trump and inflame the situation, by failing to block the idiots already in Mexico is unknown. Just yesterday Mexican police had blocked the main route, but then cleared out after some kind of interaction with "caravan" leaders. Maybe Mexico has a strategy to delay and defuse the group, a "soft kill" approach.



Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 03:29 PM (QDnY+)

280 Is that supposed to be Julia Ioffe's picture as a kid?
because it jars with the the nsty things she writes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 03:30 PM (AllCR)

281 I blame this guy, his family and his friends.

People knew what this guy was about and they looked the other way.

I blame them.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 03:31 PM (a7G/Q)

282 276
I think people should be free to choose what type of music they want to
enhance their spiritual experience.... There is no right way to celebrate Or worship.


Clearly. I may have resorted to a bit of hyperbole to make my point, but still, I'm right. I'm always right.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:31 PM (T6t7i)

283 Maybe it's time to think more like Israelis on how to secure our churches and public places.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at October 28, 2018 03:31 PM (DKwYO)

284 Why Mexico is defying the US, attempting to humiliate Trump and inflame the situation

Because they want more Trump. This is how you get more Trump.

Posted by: t-bird at October 28, 2018 03:31 PM (Z1eux)

285 270 I'm not for splitting the nation. But what is the alternative short of real civil war. Keep you powder dry and keep praying Horde.
Posted by: SteveOReno, I self-identify as a Moron at October 28, 2018 03:27 PM (DKwYO)


Prayer works. How else do you think Trump won, given all the forces and power arrayed against him?

Posted by: Iblis at October 28, 2018 03:31 PM (9221z)

286 The older hymns were composed for congregations of folks for whom the singing was probably a daily activity, and thus were probably far better at it than are modern congregations.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 03:26 PM (bZ7mE)


I think older-style hymn-singing were good for developing reading skills and community cohesion.

(I really wish AutoCucumber weren't so ecclesiastically ignorant. No, I did not mean "him-singing! Stop correcting me! Also, help me spell "ecclesiastical!)

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:32 PM (4HMW8)

287 Soros is a Train Whistle for 'Next Stop - Auschwitz'.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 03:32 PM (a7G/Q)

288 189: I'm sure anti-Semites have many "reasons" to hate jews. I work in mental health and over the past 25 years I have had many dealings with jew hating patients, some have been quite ill, some have been addicts, and others have used an inpatient setting to hide from their PO or to try to get a diagnosis that would reduce the consequences of crimes. The most frequent "reason" given by these people is the idea that jews consider themselves "chosen" and thereby better. This is roundly resented and the idea that jews see non-jews as inferior is despised. In reality, I know few jews who would claim superiority, but I know plenty who wish to maintain a pretty closed community.

I have always been uncomfortable with the "a people set apart" aspect of Judaism and much prefer "my Father's house have many mansions"

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:32 PM (U7k5w)

289 Prayer works. How else do you think Trump won, given all the forces and power arrayed against him?
Posted by: Iblis at October 28, 2018 03:31 PM (9221z)


Heck of a comment/nick combo, that there.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 28, 2018 03:32 PM (mS+Df)

290 If I were part of the Police that apprehended the shooter I would not have shot him dead on the spot but he would have gone to the hospital without his genitals.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 03:32 PM (2DOZq)

291 And Kav won because we prayed. Keep on praying! Every. Day.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 28, 2018 03:33 PM (PkVlr)

292 >>I have always been uncomfortable with the "a people set apart" aspect of Judaism and much prefer "my Father's house have many mansions"



I'll put you down as 'Concerned'.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 03:34 PM (a7G/Q)

293 134 Just back from WeaselAcres. I managed to get my truck stucker than shit in the mud Saturday morning, and getting it unstuck consumed a large amount of time which would have been devoted to shooting and doing some chores.
Posted by: Weasel
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You didn't learn about getting stuck in the mud at the TxMoMe???

Posted by: lin-duh at October 28, 2018 03:34 PM (kufk0)

294 280: Not sure, but she's about 35 yo at this time

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:34 PM (U7k5w)

295 My heart goes out to all the white people who will have to deal with the backlash of this attack.

#NotAllWhitePeople

Posted by: Sleazus at October 28, 2018 03:34 PM (LdVS9)

296 I blame them.
Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 03:31 PM (a7G/Q)

Definitely a large part of the blame. I hope the guilt eats them up.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 03:34 PM (2DOZq)

297 Can anyone point out the ACTUAL racism Trump "condones"? I've never seen an actual example, just leftist falling for 4chan jokes.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 28, 2018 03:35 PM (naEeR)

298 291 And Kav won because we prayed. Keep on praying! Every. Day.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 28, 2018 03:33 PM (PkVlr)


This.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:35 PM (4HMW8)

299 The left: "Fuck off and die conservatives. . And have some decency.".

Posted by: Ripley at October 28, 2018 03:35 PM (MxEKc)

300
You didn't learn about getting stuck in the mud at the TxMoMe???
Posted by: lin-duh at October 28, 2018 03:34 PM (kufk0)
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It should come as no surprise that I'm a painfully slow learner.
It was great to see you again, by the way. Hope you had a good trip home!

Posted by: Weasel at October 28, 2018 03:36 PM (whxOr)

301 Don't think the timing will work out to help in the mid-terms (even though it would help, and even though I doubt any help is really needed), but my wish is for the "caravan" or some vestige of it to reach the US border zone, and for Trump to exercise his clear authority to close the border.


So many wonderful consequences of that, hard to even list them. The b-slap to so many businesses and people (on both sides) will be hilarious and salutory, as to appreciation of the need for returning order to the border.


But the wet dream is for a federal judge to attempt to enjoin the action. This would put Trump and team on the spot, and they would likely realize they dare not fail again (as in the "travel ban" situation), by allowing clearly illegitimate court interference to disrupt executive branch performance of lawful and constitutional duties. The long, long, long over-due repudiation of a lawless court would do more to help the country than every other Trump policy combined (though few will recognize it).

Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 03:36 PM (QDnY+)

302 Can anyone point out the ACTUAL racism Trump "condones"? I've never seen an actual example, just leftist falling for 4chan jokes.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 28, 2018 03:35 PM (naEeR)


They can tell he is racist just by looking at him.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 28, 2018 03:37 PM (1g7ch)

303 292: As jews come in all economic and educational backgrounds, it seems that "chosen status" might engender a lot of anger even when material success is not tin play. It did for Cain, no?

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:37 PM (U7k5w)

304 I have always been uncomfortable with the "a people set apart" aspect of Judaism and much prefer "my Father's house have many mansions"
Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:32 PM (U7k5w)


Those mansions will house "people set apart." That is what the word "sanctification" means.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:37 PM (4HMW8)

305 298 291 And Kav won because we prayed. Keep on praying! Every. Day.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 28, 2018 03:33 PM (PkVlr)

This.
Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:35 PM (4HMW

No, Kav won because he and the President FOUGHT.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 28, 2018 03:37 PM (NgKpN)

306 Weasel get a come along

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:37 PM (T4oHT)

307 Thanks weasel.
How is weasel lady doing? She ready for the gecko?

Posted by: lin-duh at October 28, 2018 03:38 PM (kufk0)

308 They can tell he is racist just by looking at him.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 28, 2018 03:37 PM (1g7ch)


He hates anyone who is not orange.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:38 PM (4HMW8)

309 306 Weasel get a come along
Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:37 PM (T4oHT)
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Believe me, it's on the list! Also, an H&K MP5.

Posted by: Weasel at October 28, 2018 03:38 PM (whxOr)

310 Leftist lie through their teeth, often on the lectern of the Senate

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:39 PM (T4oHT)

311 No, Kav won because he and the President FOUGHT.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 28, 2018 03:37 PM (NgKpN)


Embrace the power of "and."

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 03:39 PM (4HMW8)

312 I sense a National Conversation on Hate coming soon. The letf/MSM love having National Conversations about things they want to lecture us about.

Posted by: Ripley at October 28, 2018 03:39 PM (MxEKc)

313 Why Mexico is defying the US, attempting to humiliate Trump and inflame the situation

Guessing they don't want that trade deal THAT badly...

Not real good at thinking things through, I guess.

Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I recommend The Courage To Be Disliked at October 28, 2018 03:40 PM (lLeln)

314 S = same
O=old
R= retarded
O= obnoxious
S= Satan

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 28, 2018 03:40 PM (myjNJ)

315 Can anyone point out the ACTUAL racism Trump "condones"?

I think they've decided that judging a man by the content of his character, and ignoring the color of his skin, is racist.

Posted by: t-bird at October 28, 2018 03:40 PM (NAs56)

316 >> As jews come in all economic and educational backgrounds, it seems that "chosen status" might engender a lot of anger even when material success is not tin play.



We may choose to control the weather, the media, and the world's financial systems - but we ourselves were Chosen. We didn't have a say in the matter.

So - call Hebrew National Customer Service if you would like to lodge an Official Complaint.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 03:40 PM (a7G/Q)

317 Why Mexico is defying the US, attempting to humiliate Trump and inflame the situation, by failing to block the idiots already in Mexico is unknown.


Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 03:29 PM (QDnY+)


Mexico has been carrying out acts of war against us by pushing aliens through our border for decades. This is nothing new. Mexico has done everything it's capable of to antagonize us. Yes, it's retarded, but that's been Mexican policy for decades and they have never been made to pay - not even a little - for it. SO, it continues.

We all know that no collection of more than 3 aliens can make their way through Mexico without the full consent and aid of the Mexican government.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 28, 2018 03:40 PM (BHXAq)

318 Obviously, Emmie.
Thx!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 28, 2018 03:40 PM (PkVlr)

319 this is similar to collective guilt , as if every thing one soul does is collectively Blamed on all..

the murderer did that.

this woman also does the same.

Sorors is a despicable human.

as is Obama , as is jarret, as is Hillary
none of which have anything in common with gender or race , but ideology.

I do not have to like Hillary and to not like her makes me not a misogynist, but a sensible person that finds her criminality disgraceful

To find Obama a liar and useful jerk, doesn't
make me a Nazi, bigot, racist, it makes me someone totally opposed to their ideology.

I can have one thing in common with Soros and still hate soros for his personal abhorrent destructive conduct with out a remorse.

all these are pigs liars thieves and assholes.


does that make me, a bigot, a racists a Nazi?

Does Trump trying to protect This countries interests over 'globalworldinterests;' make him a bigot? or someone doing the best for the citizens He is Supposed to represent. which are all people, of gender, and race.
Imagine that a President putting His citizens first!

they will gaslight everyone for any reason
Kanye was a prime example, of bucking their system., and the insanity they will commit to fight it.

I do not have to claim this guy even if i'm a little nutty also.
neither does anyone else.


I also cannot like everybody because they might look similar to me.

and that woman up there, Is she talking shit in her spare time about Ivanka her husband and kids?

Because she should follow Her own momentary Belief, If everyone is equally perfect and good, or everyone is evil and bad.

no matter what!


Posted by: willow at October 28, 2018 03:42 PM (dPd5y)

320 Posted by: willow at October 28, 2018 03:42 PM (dPd5y)

How much caffeine did you have today? That's your longest post yet. Good job.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 03:46 PM (2DOZq)

321 My comment about Mexico was made in the context of the recent trade agreement, and left out something I've said several times already: I find it inconceivable that Trump did not insist on a very clear/hard side agreement on things like "caravans" as the price for the new trade deal. If true, stunning incompetence. But not plausible, given that he's been serious about this most important issue. And he made one, lonely, but intriguing off-hand comment linking the two, saying no trade deal was worth border lawlessness.


There are times I wish that the (jaw-dropping, unbelievable) leaking of presidential conversations with foreign leaders that occurred in Trump's first few weeks would return ..... only to find out what's going on diplomatically with this. Pompeo made a visit to Mexico City on his way back from the Mid-East - there can't be any doubt on the other side about our position .... I just want to know what that position is.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 03:47 PM (QDnY+)

322 @278
So will they also kill off Luigi Risotto?


Magic 8 Ball says: Not likely.

Hypocrites.


Posted by: Kreplach at October 28, 2018 03:47 PM (kT3/m)

323 That really should have been the last post, but, nope, there is no nood.

Posted by: t-bird at October 28, 2018 03:47 PM (NAs56)

324 "Security through Obscurity"
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs, still needs a new Nic! at October 28, 2018 02:39 PM (2o7Th)

----------------

Describe our house to a "T."

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 28, 2018 03:48 PM (WEBkv)

325 So - call Hebrew National Customer Service if you would like to lodge an Official Complaint.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 03:40 PM (a7G/Q)

Or...you know...mind your own fucking business.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 03:48 PM (wYseH)

326 Lancelot, I just had a chocolate malt, all sugared up.

Posted by: willow at October 28, 2018 03:49 PM (dPd5y)

327 How much caffeine did you have today? That's your longest post yet. Good job.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 03:46 PM (2DOZq)
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Ditto.

Most excellent comment, Miss Willow.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 28, 2018 03:49 PM (WEBkv)

328 The Simpsons have confirmed that controversial character Apu will be cut out of future episodes.

The long-running show has come under fire for it's depiction of Kwik-E-Mart owner Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, with viewers complaining that the character promotes racist stereotypes of people of Indian and Asian descent.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 28, 2018 03:29 PM (aKsyK)


Would it be wrong to say it would be funny if they killed him off with a terrorist attack, and then tossed his wife onto his funeral pyre?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 28, 2018 03:49 PM (1g7ch)

329 I thought "Soros" was shorthand for "Soros" ?


Posted by: Puddleglum at October 28, 2018 03:50 PM (3j+Sl)

330 Adriane the Real Life Doesn't Have a Remote Critic ... at October 28, 2018 02:35 PM (AoK0a)

Who dat?

Posted by: Grannymimi at October 28, 2018 03:50 PM (u5LFV)

331 316: This is a story we tell to ourselves. And I, as a jew, am not comfortable with the "chosen" stuff being front and center. And while the many mansions line might mean dwellings for chosen people who follow a narrow path, I would rather interpret it as the idea that there is room in the House of God for many good people despite some disagreement as to the exact "rules" they follow. Today's rabbis cannot agree on every detail, nor can the Christian denominations, nor other factions within major faiths.

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:50 PM (U7k5w)

332 247 My daughter sings for one of those "plant" churches...
Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:20 PM (T6t7i)


What? A Church of the Pod People?

(It's Halloween season, so Invasion of the Body Snatchers is on the seasonal movie list, soooo...)

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 28, 2018 03:50 PM (di1hb)

333 gab is being shutdown. I believe in free speech. but something has to be done about these racist gun nuts before they kill again. we can't ban guns so what can be done?

Posted by: ramondo at October 28, 2018 03:51 PM (ehOtg)

334 I thought "Soros" was shorthand for "Soros" ?

I like how you spelled it backwards the second time.

Posted by: t-bird at October 28, 2018 03:51 PM (NAs56)

335 Soros, spelled backwards, is soroS.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 03:51 PM (a7G/Q)

336 Apu is the most normal and accurate character in the Simpsons. Of course he had to go.

I'm surprised that the LGBT have not demanded Smithers be rebooted.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 03:52 PM (2DOZq)

337 Well speaking of evil rich boogeymen, y'all owe it to yourselves to check the Trumpentwatter - wherein he takes an amusing swipe at the other deep-pocketed freak now squandering zillions to fundamentally transform Amurrica.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 28, 2018 03:52 PM (QDnY+)

338 I thought "Soros" was shorthand for "Soros" ?


Posted by: Puddleglum at October 28, 2018 03:50 PM (3j+Sl)


It's like Dnar Luap,
His real name spelled backwards so he doesn't 'hear' us talking about him.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 28, 2018 03:52 PM (1g7ch)

339 Jews were hated because they introduced the concept of morality

I really don't think that's it. Islam has its own (twisted) morality, but they aren't the object of such relentless hatred.

I think it's the classics. Jews are comparatively insular, and far more successful than the average, thus making them "the other" and a source of shame and resentment for one's own shortcomings. Not a good position for a minority.
Posted by: pep at October 28, 2018 03:06 PM (T6t7i)

========

My father (ethnic Jew) is a proponent of the "Jews are hated because they introduced morality" theory.

I'm starting to think it's an unfortunate consequence of 1st century Judea. There were many sects. Essenes (ascetics), Zealots (nationalists), Pharisees, Sadducees, Christians, etc.

Unfortunately there was a lot of bad blood and butthurt between the Christians and Pharisees and those wound up being the two most successful sects, the Pharisees forming the origin of modern Judaism and Christianity becoming popular among gentiles and eventually becoming dominated by them, with the result that they were perhaps misunderstanding an internecine quarrel that used overheated rhetoric.

I also think it has to do with what is behind resentment of "colonialism". Indigenous people resent foreign influence even when it is beneficial. Perhaps western gentiles were resentful at having a religion that originated with Jews (and in Matthew, Jesus is especially critical of gentiles), and then having Jews live there who didn't even believe that particular sect of religion.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 28, 2018 03:52 PM (/qEW2)

340 Apparently the trolls don't take sundays off either.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 28, 2018 03:52 PM (PkVlr)

341
we can't ban guns so what can be done?
Posted by: ramondo


We can ban you. How about that?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:52 PM (LsBY9)

342
It's hilarious that Nazi Collaborator George Soros has become the-

Uber Ur-Jew for the Leftards.


That there is some mighty fine thinking. Mighty fine.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 28, 2018 03:53 PM (CRRq9)

343 Good news is all the left's masks-off hate and insanity is waking up a lot of people. Bad news it is very, very late. Clintons in the 90's should have been enough and it would have been a lot easier to fix things back then.

Posted by: Ripley at October 28, 2018 03:53 PM (MxEKc)

344 328:with viewers complaining that the character promotes racist stereotypes of people of Indian and Asian descent.


So a dozen bed wetting losers flooded the studio hacks with tweets and emails and the studio hacks submitted. Don't care much since I stopped watching The Simpsons quite some time ago.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 28, 2018 03:53 PM (3j+Sl)

345 >>This is a story we tell to ourselves. And I, as a jew, am not comfortable with the "chosen" stuff being front and center


Your ignorance of the Jewish faith and Traditions belies your claim of being Jewish.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 03:54 PM (a7G/Q)

346 Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:50 PM (U7k5w)

Absolutely!

Let's crawl back to the Shtetl and hope the Cossacks don't rape our wives.

It's the safest thing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 03:54 PM (wYseH)

347 I believe in free speech. but something has to be done about these
racist gun nuts before they kill again. we can't ban guns so what can be
done?



Hymn #1.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:54 PM (lwiT4)

348 Apu is the most normal and accurate character in the Simpsons. Of course he had to go.

I'm surprised that the LGBT have not demanded Smithers be rebooted.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 03:52 PM (2DOZq)


Everybody else is a caricature.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 28, 2018 03:54 PM (1g7ch)

349 325 So - call Hebrew National Customer Service if you would like to lodge an Official Complaint.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 03:40 PM (a7G/Q)

Or...you know...mind your own fucking business.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 28, 2018 03:48 PM (wYseH)

The way jews are perceived IS my fucking business as it affects me and my family personally. It has affected my family for a very long time.

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:55 PM (U7k5w)

350 Stopped watching the Simpson's 10 years ago, but got a chuckle a imaginary town of stereotypes worries about a stereotype

Posted by: Skip at October 28, 2018 03:55 PM (T4oHT)

351 This is a story we tell to ourselves.




They tell it in every church I've ever been a member of. Huh. We're not even Jewish.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:56 PM (lwiT4)

352 48 I wish Rev could carry in the pulpit. He is the one facing the door. Blasted robe and shawl things. It would be much more helpful if he could wear an Underdog Tshirt and jeans like my last pastor.
Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 02:33 PM (lwiT4)


Put a shelf with a condition one 1911 in the back of the pulpit.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 28, 2018 03:56 PM (MwFQu)

353 And "The Other" group of the day is ..... ME!

I run down the aisle and onto the stage and receive the bronze statue of the Antifa goon swinging a bike lock and scream, "You hate me! You really, really hate me!"

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 28, 2018 03:56 PM (e1mEI)

354 I think the Jewish people have been the punching bag and hated because God said they would be hated. He wasn't joking around.

One reason I felt sorry for Peter. After Jesus said he was going to deny him , you could bank on it happening.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 03:56 PM (2DOZq)

355 I have always been uncomfortable with the "a people set apart" aspect of Judaism and much prefer "my Father's house have many mansions"
Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:32 PM (U7k5w)


IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE Y-HW-H MAKES IT CLEAR THERE WAS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THEM WHEN HE CHOSE THEM.

Posted by: BEN ROTHSHISNAME at October 28, 2018 03:58 PM (4HMW8)

356 If they hate you, it's because they hate me. And they hate me, because they hate the one who sent me.


~ obscure Nazarene carpenter what taught people to fish.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 03:58 PM (lwiT4)

357 346: In some places there does seem to be a desire to recreate the shtetl and a very hard exclusivity. The Satmar groups come to mind.

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 03:59 PM (U7k5w)

358 Luap Nor
Luap Dnar

I don't know who came up with those originally, but I still chuckle every time I see them.

Posted by: BJM at October 28, 2018 03:59 PM (O74hG)

359 Think they've undone whatever gains they made with their fake bomb false flag by their reaction to this attack?

2 days ago: "Maybe they're right, Trump's rhetoric goes too far"

Yesterday: "Oh, never mind, they'll say that no matter what"

Posted by: X-tendo Man at October 28, 2018 03:59 PM (KypBh)

360 Jews were hated because they introduced the concept of morality


Morality was created by God.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 28, 2018 03:59 PM (3j+Sl)

361
One reason I felt sorry for Peter. After Jesus said he was going to deny him , you could bank on it happening.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp


I've always liked Peter. He misunderstood and screwed up about as much as one person can, yet Jesus made him the head of the church. Gives a guy hope.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:59 PM (LsBY9)

362 >>IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE Y-HW-H MAKES IT CLEAR THERE WAS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THEM WHEN HE CHOSE THEM.


Read the Footnotes.

There is something in there about Girthiness.

I am sure of it.

Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 04:00 PM (a7G/Q)

363 346: Except this time the gentile community is not mandating places jews can live as they did in Europe.

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 04:00 PM (U7k5w)

364 Nood. Food.

Posted by: HH at October 28, 2018 04:01 PM (mIJBI)

365 I've always liked Peter. He misunderstood and screwed up about as much as one person can, yet Jesus made him the head of the church. Gives a guy hope.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 28, 2018 03:59 PM (LsBY9)

Me too but you always felt that he wanted nothing more than to please Jesus / God and do right. I think Jesus saw that also.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 04:01 PM (2DOZq)

366 Okay, what say the Horde:

God set apart Israel as his chosen people.

However, I've seen some religions claim that is no longer true, because of the New Covenant ushered in through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

However, my reading of the Bible says Christians have been grafted into the chosen vine of God.

Am I wrong? Missing nuance? Completely nuts?

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 28, 2018 04:02 PM (WEBkv)

367 Re: negative reactions to the description of the Jews as the Chosen People, people tend to have the same reactions about Calvinists description of themselves as the "Elect" and the whole predestination thing.

The whole point of both, of course, is that God chose a particular set of people because He wanted to, not because any inherent virtue in them (quite the opposite, in some cases....)

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:03 PM (bZ7mE)

368 361
One reason I felt sorry for Peter. After Jesus said he was going to deny him , you could bank on it happening.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp

I've always liked Peter. He misunderstood and screwed up about as much as one person can, yet Jesus made him the head of the church. Gives a guy hope.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh



A close look at the Bible will reveal the God has long used imperfect, flawed, people to show His Glory and Power. Its all about God, not us. We're here on earth and alive for His purposes. Peter got it, eventually.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 28, 2018 04:03 PM (3j+Sl)

369 >>However, my reading of the Bible says Christians have been grafted into the chosen vine of God.

>Am I wrong? Missing nuance?


Until the 3rd Book comes out, we'll only know too late.


Posted by: garrett at October 28, 2018 04:04 PM (a7G/Q)

370 However, my reading of the Bible says Christians have been grafted into the chosen vine of God.

Am I wrong? Missing nuance? Completely nuts?
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 28, 2018 04:02 PM (WEBkv)


Sounds good to me.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 04:04 PM (4HMW8)

371 I also think it has to do with what is behind resentment of "colonialism". Indigenous people resent foreign influence even when it is beneficial. Perhaps western gentiles were resentful at having a religion that originated with Jews (and in Matthew, Jesus is especially critical of gentiles), and then having Jews live there who didn't even believe that particular sect of religion."

David Goldman, aka Spengler, has written several essays over the years on this topic, and I can't possibly do justice to his thesis in this space. Thumbnail version is that he posits that Western European Civilization rose as a Christian Civilization out of the grave of Classical Civilization, and that it always had a great Will to Power and pride in itself. But being committed to their Christian writings, they could never get away from the fact that their belief system taught that the Jewish race were the "elder brothers" and first Chosen of God, and they never got away from a bitter resentment of the Jewish race and faith in general for that foundational wound to their pride. And they have been trying to supplant and eliminate the Jewish Race from the start.

Anti-semitism has never been as strong in America as it has in Europe, his theory goes, because those of us in this country has never been as tightly tied to the old cultural values of Europe. And curious that even as Europe slides into Atheism, the old ingrained hatred of Jews remains.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 28, 2018 04:04 PM (k1TUh)

372 Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 28, 2018 04:02 PM (WEBkv)

God provided a pathway to salvation for the non chosen. That's good enough for me.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 04:04 PM (2DOZq)

373 Being "chosen" may just mean being entrusted with God's laws and revelation, and also being the means by which these will be spread to the rest of the world. It need not mean any more than that.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 28, 2018 04:06 PM (/qEW2)

374 NPR apparently has an article about the shooter having threatened a Jewish organization that helps refugees immigrate - an organization that was criticizing Trump's restricting the quota for such people.

So I guess their argument is that because this guy is viciously against open borders, he shoots up a synagogue with random Jews? You know, instead of some event sponsored by the actual organization he threatened? Doesn't make any sense.

Being against open borders is certainly a Trump thing, but being an anti-Semite certainly ISN'T.

Posted by: Optimizer at October 28, 2018 04:06 PM (hOOi9)

375 #3, but how to split it?

Posted by: jeff at October 28, 2018 04:06 PM (xqr+s)

376 Blake - that's called replacement theology: - That the New Covenant people took the place of the Old Covenant people. In my opinion that is false teaching. We were grafted in by grace through faith. We didn't cancel out any of God's promises to Israel or the descendants of Abraham.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 04:07 PM (lwiT4)

377 guess you only have to google it to know "the soros" doesn't mean the Jews.

douche

Posted by: sally at October 28, 2018 04:08 PM (sBDDH)

378 However, I've seen some religions claim that is no longer true, because of the New Covenant ushered in through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

However, my reading of the Bible says Christians have been grafted into the chosen vine of God.


Grafting involves lopping off the old branches.

It is pretty much inherent in Christianity that Judaism without Christ is a dead end - it is through Christ, and only through Christ, that anyone can be saved. Judaism retains a special status because it follows the Law, however, the Law does not lead to salvation.

Jews aren't going to heaven unless they embrace Christ, same as any other people.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:08 PM (bZ7mE)

379 Speaking of God, I just committed one of the seven deadly sins and ate a serving meant for 4 of blackberry cobbler.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 04:09 PM (2DOZq)

380 366 Okay, what say the Horde:

God set apart Israel as his chosen people.
However, I've seen some religions claim that is no longer true, because of the New Covenant ushered in through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

However, my reading of the Bible says Christians have been grafted into the chosen vine of God.

Am I wrong? Missing nuance? Completely nuts?"

Actually you have hit upon one of the huge denominational splits and conflicts between the various Christian Churches. Although they may have lightined up lately, the first view, that Christians Believers have replaced Jews as "The Chosen" is the classic theological view of the RC Church, the old school Lutheran Church, the Episcopals, the Calvinists, especially the Presbyterians - most of the "mainstream" Christian churches. The ones that are dying and fading.

One of the hallmarks of the Evangelical movement, no matter what branch of Christianity it comes out of, is that Evangelicals believe that No, the Jewish Race is STI the Chosen Race of God, and the vehicle through which he will work His Will on this world. And that Christian believers are gentiles who have been grafted onto that vine, and to worship in a different way since they are different.

Which is why Evangelicals tend to be so fanatically supportive of Israel, while the old school mainstream Christians aren't so much.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 28, 2018 04:11 PM (k1TUh)

381 Jews aren't going to heaven unless they embrace Christ, same as any other people.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:08 PM (bZ7mE)

We know the path into heaven but we can't be so arrogant to believe we know who God will deny entry into heaven. IMHO.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 04:11 PM (2DOZq)

382 379 Speaking of God, I just committed one of the seven deadly sins and ate a serving meant for 4 of blackberry cobbler.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 04:09 PM (2DOZq)


You've heard the saying, "Love the winner; hate the sin." In this case we hate the sinner for not sharing.

Posted by: Emmie at October 28, 2018 04:11 PM (4HMW8)

383 366: I have no issue with what you say. And, I like the idea in 367 that the idea of "chosen" does not mean "inherent virtue", as the anti-Semites I have works with insist that is exactly the point. I have never heard a rabbi state that we are "better", but "chosen" may easily be interpreted that way.

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 04:12 PM (U7k5w)

384 We know the path into heaven but we can't be so arrogant to believe we know who God will deny entry into heaven. IMHO.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 04:11 PM (2DOZq)


"no one comes to the Father except through Me"

-Stuff Jesus Said, Vol 1

It is a fundamental point of Christianity that Christ, and only Christ, could make the sacrifice necessary to atone for sins.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:16 PM (bZ7mE)

385 373: Great explanation and I think we'd be better off to go with that one. I also like the Tevye complaint " why can't you choose someone else for a change", but other groups have had their share of sorrows too.

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 04:16 PM (U7k5w)

386 Say, is this the theology thread?

Posted by: Zombie L. Ron Hubbard at October 28, 2018 04:17 PM (rQM9Y)

387 It is pretty much inherent in Christianity that Judaism without Christ is a dead end - it is through Christ, and only through Christ, that anyone can be saved. Judaism retains a special status because it follows the Law, however, the Law does not lead to salvation.

Jews aren't going to heaven unless they embrace Christ, same as any other people."

That's the mainstream "orthodox" Christian view, certainly. However I know many evangelicals - I would dare to say most - who believe that no, the Jewish Race has a separate and older deal directly with God, than the one the Christians have, and in fact it is a much harder one, which is why they have been persecuted so much. And that it is Evangelicals call to support them, and as to whatever is going on between the Jewish Race and God, that's God's business and isn't a thing for anyone else to question or understand.

Of course the mainstream protestant Christians tend to say this just proves how ignorant the redneck evangelicals are, while they put their Beto bumper stickers on their Tesla's.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 28, 2018 04:17 PM (k1TUh)

388 Jews were hated because they introduced the concept of morality


Morality was created by God.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 28, 2018 03:59 PM (3j+Sl)


But in the Western tradition, Man traded knowledge of immortality and paradise for knowledge of morality. Adam and Eve ate from The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, which is what got them mortality and thrown out of Eden.

I don't think this morality thing is held against Jews, though, because Christians accept the same Genesis tale.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 28, 2018 04:18 PM (BHXAq)

389 I've seen us re-fight the Civil War. I've even seen us re-fight the European wars of religion. But Torah Thunderdome, this is new to me.

Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I recommend The Courage To Be Disliked at October 28, 2018 04:20 PM (lLeln)

390 Grrrr ...

"... Man traded immortality and paradise for knowledge of morality ..."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 28, 2018 04:20 PM (BHXAq)

391 Until the 3rd Book comes out, we'll only know too late.

Hi!

Posted by: the Koran at October 28, 2018 04:20 PM (5bz7Q)

392 I've hated Soros for years. Didn't know he was Jewish till this week.

Oh well.

Posted by: The Invisible Hand at October 28, 2018 04:20 PM (YpRda)

393 Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:16 PM (bZ7mE)

I don't interpret it that way . Neither did Billy Graham. We will agree to disagree.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 04:21 PM (2DOZq)

394 389 I've seen us re-fight the Civil War. I've even seen us re-fight the European wars of religion. But Torah Thunderdome, this is new to me."

TORAH TORAH TORAH!!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 28, 2018 04:21 PM (k1TUh)

395 no good will come of this.

just sayin

Posted by: willow at October 28, 2018 04:24 PM (dPd5y)

396 Posted by: Tom Servo at October 28, 2018 04:11 PM (k1TUh)
-----------------------

Excellent. Thanks, that's probably as good a summation of the issue as I've seen.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 28, 2018 04:25 PM (WEBkv)

397 [iu]
Of course the mainstream protestant Christians tend to say this just proves how ignorant the redneck evangelicals are, while they put their Beto bumper stickers on their Tesla's.

You might want to actually learn something about the differences between Mainstream denominations and actual non-Evangelical Christianity.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:26 PM (bZ7mE)

398
"no one comes to the Father except through Me"

Except that the Jews had already come to the Father, by having been chosen by the Father. Hence "covenant."

Covenants can be broken, of course, but it seems unlikely in this particular case.

Posted by: BJM at October 28, 2018 04:27 PM (O74hG)

399 Except that the Jews had already come to the Father, by having been chosen by the Father. Hence "covenant."


Except that he was talking to a Jewish audience when he said that.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:31 PM (bZ7mE)

400 Hebrews 11 - The Jewish Hall of Faith

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 04:35 PM (lwiT4)

401 If the Jews can be saved without believing in Christ, than Christ's death was unnecessary.

The whole idea that the Law can bring salvation makes a mockery of the central tenets of the Christian religion.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:35 PM (bZ7mE)

402 Hebrews 11 - The Jewish Hall of Faith

In which Paul remarks that the Jews persist in unbelief and have therefore been cut off from the vine. He goes on to hope that they will turn to Christ and be regrafted back on, and warns his Gentile audience not to grow arrogant lest they too be cut off.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:38 PM (bZ7mE)

403 the Jews can be saved without believing in Christ, than Christ's death was unnecessary.

The whole idea that the Law can bring salvation makes a mockery of the central tenets of the Christian religion.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:35 PM (bZ7mE)

Who said anything about the law providing salvation. My point as well as Billy Graham's is we know how to get into heaven but we should not believe we have the knowledge who God will keep out.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 28, 2018 04:39 PM (2DOZq)

404 sigh.

Posted by: willow at October 28, 2018 04:42 PM (dPd5y)

405 Hebrews 11 says the Jews have been cut off? What verse?

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 04:43 PM (lwiT4)

406 The ONLY way that happens is a hot war.

If that were to be started about now, it would be over by sunset.

These fools have no self-preservation instinct at all.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 28, 2018 04:44 PM (lD3vL)

407 Who said anything about the law providing salvation. My point as well as Billy Graham's is we know how to get into heaven but we should not believe we have the knowledge who God will keep out.

You did. Believe in Christ, get saved; don't believe in Christ, go to Hell. Pretty clear. Unless the Jews come to belief in Christ, they will not be saved. There is no second path.

I'm sure what Graham meant is that anyone is capable of being saved through Christ, even those that we might think are beyond salvation. That is not the same thing as saying that God may decide to let some random non-believers in the gate.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:46 PM (bZ7mE)

408 We know the path into heaven but we can't be so arrogant to believe we know who God will deny entry into heaven. IMHO.

I don't know why you call it arrogance when a person reads the Scriptures and clearly sees the terms defined by God.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 28, 2018 04:47 PM (lD3vL)

409 Has does anyone who is of somewhat lower intelligence with mental problems (according the the fake bombersLawyers) figure out where George soros lives

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 28, 2018 03:27 PM


I have mad Photoshop skills. But would I have the equipment to produce the posters in that vans windows, the computer to handle multiple gig image files?

Nope. But some guy living in a van down by the river does.

Interesting -- I'd have to see the time stamps on the photos, but some people have images of the van with the 'drain the swamp' image from almost the moment it appeared a few months ago.

For a 'tard he's pretty damn smurt. Or we're getting played. Big time.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at October 28, 2018 04:47 PM (URwyc)

410 "Slattern" is not used nearly enough in slurs. I encourage it

Posted by: Frank G at October 28, 2018 04:48 PM (EUS+y)

411 Hebrews 11 says the Jews have been cut off? What verse?

17, 20, 21, 22-23.

Tried to copy and past the passage with the relevant sections highlighted, but Pixie won't let me.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:50 PM (bZ7mE)

412 Okay, Grey Fox, I will go read it. I probably will come out thinking exactly as I do now, but this is my best attempt to appear reasonable

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 04:51 PM (lwiT4)

413 That is not the same thing as saying that God may decide to let some random non-believers in the gate.

To suggest that random non-believers can get to heaven is rather interesting in a number of ways.

What is also being said is that man somehow is entitled to eternal life, even those who reject/hate the Creator.

Second, it says that God is not just, not truth and not holy. Making those claims seems to be insulting - why would those who advocate that sort of thing be in heaven?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 28, 2018 04:54 PM (lD3vL)

414 Also 11, 12 and 14.

The idea that those Jews that reject Christ have been cut off is pretty much the starting point for the whole passage. It makes no sense if that isn't the case.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 04:54 PM (bZ7mE)

415 Oh great. Now we're enacting the whole dispensational vs. amillennial thingy. And there's a food thread. Back before he went nuts, Harold Camping debated John Walvoord in an epic 5 hr debate. That hits all the highlights of the scriptural passages pro and con.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 28, 2018 04:55 PM (/qEW2)

416 Grey Fox - are you by any chance confusing Hebrews 11 with Romans 11? Hebrews was probably nor written by Paul, and Romans Chapter 11 more closely supports your argument. Hebrews 11 is a listing of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, etc, and how they served the Lord by faith.

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 04:58 PM (lwiT4)

417 not written > nor written

Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 04:58 PM (lwiT4)

418 the Calvinists, especially the Presbyterians - most of the "mainstream" Christian churches.

That libel was totally unnecessary.

John MacArthur likes to hang that "Replacementarian" insult on Amillennials mainly because his reputation as a Dispensationalist demands it.

The doctrinal difference primarily relies on the "grafting in" and the "so all of Israel will be saved" (Ro 11:26) only makes sense if "Israel" is not meant in the congenital sense, but in the Elect of God. The Dispensationalists insist on a "Israel = Jews" interpretation and thus the two-track/Christ-less salvation plan has its place.

It is evil to make salvation a tribal thing when both OT and NT talk about Jews and Gentiles being among the Elect. Those who look down a man's pants and then make a determination on what path that will take to heaven are idiots.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 28, 2018 05:05 PM (lD3vL)

419 Grey Fox - are you by any chance confusing Hebrews 11 with Romans 11? Hebrews was probably nor written by Paul, and Romans Chapter 11 more closely supports your argument. Hebrews 11 is a listing of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, etc, and how they served the Lord by faith.


I am. I was actually reading Romans 11 when you posted, and I missed the change in Epistle.

I have no disagreement with the idea that Jews from before the time of Christ were saved. Christ's sacrifice works for them, also - I don't know who would deny that. What I am saying is that anyone, Jew or Gentile, born after Christ's ministry who does not accept Christ will not go to heaven.

Christ is not the second-best way to salvation, as someone up-thread was claiming.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 05:06 PM (bZ7mE)

420 I tend to side with the amillennials.

If Judeo-Christianity were true, all followers of God would have a duty to follow the latest revelation that there was.

Let's say Abraham were transported in time to Moses' day. Would he refuse to obey laws delivered to Moses and Aaron simply because they came after him? I doubt it. He'd have an obligation to obey those laws.

Acts 17:30-31 seems to indicate that people have a moral obligation to obey the most current revelation from God. So there are no "dispensations". You can't claim "I'm descended from a different dispensation so I can ignore God's commands at this point in time".

Acts 17: And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 28, 2018 05:18 PM (/qEW2)

421 There's also the Epistle of Barnabas, which lays it down how the Jewish dispensation is done.

'Course, that epistle is Sir Not Appearing In This Bible, currently.

Posted by: the Koran at October 28, 2018 05:23 PM (5bz7Q)

422 I'm just glad I don't have to wait until heaven to experience God's presence and grace and power.
If heaven was all salvation was about, it would be abstract and kinda...something. Empty? Esoteric? I'm not sure of the word. Then again, my vocabulary seems to be on the fritz.



Posted by: platypus, gg channel at October 28, 2018 05:23 PM (11BRM)

423 /sock

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 28, 2018 05:23 PM (5bz7Q)

424 This coming from the same people who spent 2000-08 years going on about neocons.

Posted by: Baldy at October 28, 2018 05:24 PM (lHZp3)

425 yeah, there's a semi-decent case was Hebrews was written by Barnabas for real. Its author writes like a Levite, like Barnabas (and not Paul).

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 28, 2018 05:25 PM (5bz7Q)

426 Here's the epistle of (pseudo)Barnabas with commentary
earlychristianwritings.com/info/barnabas-general.html

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 28, 2018 05:26 PM (5bz7Q)

427 I am. I was actually reading Romans 11 when you posted, and I missed the change in Epistle.




Ahhh, that explains much. Thanks. BTW, you and I are largely on the same theological page. Sin must be atoned for, or God is not just. He provided the sin atonement Himself; in fact, He became it. Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.



Posted by: grammie winger, cold and grey- at October 28, 2018 05:28 PM (lwiT4)

428 The modern American Left is culturally Marxist and rejects objective reality for higher truth. It makes perfect sense to them that women have penises and if you don't believe it you are a Nazi. So it's little surprise criticism of a literal Nazi collaborator villainous on all levels equals National Socialism because reasons.

This dude is batshit crazy, full stop. A bunch of them will be joined by permissible Never Trumpers and die along with media stooges in a fiery compound after two or three more years of Trump. The only thing missing will be the kick ass rock. It's utterly predictable.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 28, 2018 05:29 PM (p+ctZ)

429 Matthew 20: 1-16; the parable of the Landlord and the workers in the vineyard. An obvious lesson is that the First shall be Last shall be First - but all still get the reward they were offered. An only slightly less obvious lesson is that Not Everyone gets the Same Deal. And when the workers who think they weren't treated "fairly" complain to the Landlord (God) about him not treating everyone equally, the Landlord (God) says "Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am Generous?"


To put it in common language, God says "I made a deal with you, and I'm keeping the deal I made with you. Deals I make with anyone else are none of your business, so shut up about it." It's in the same vein as the big pronouncement at the end of Job - Why, Job asks, did you allow me to suffer so, God? And the only reply he gets is "Because I'm God, and You're Not." We can either be bitter about it, or accept that we are subservient beings who have to accept the things we will never understand.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 28, 2018 05:33 PM (V2Yro)

430 Ahhh, that explains much. Thanks. BTW, you and I are largely on the same theological page. Sin must be atoned for, or God is not just. He provided the sin atonement Himself; in fact, He became it. Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.

I figured we probably were more or less in agreement.

I know some folks think that there is going to be a mass conversion of the Jews to Christianity at the End Times, and while I don't see much Biblical support for that certainty, I have no problem with it theologically and certainly hope that it does happen.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 05:33 PM (bZ7mE)

431 I like my hash today. It changes daily and I often don't even check. I like this one. So thanks...uh...Pixy, I guess.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at October 28, 2018 05:34 PM (11BRM)

432 Servo, they DID get the same deal - work in the fields, get paid. Not: You guys, work all day and get paid, you guys go skip stones into the lake all day and get paid because reasons. Everyone did at least SOME work.

In any case, that is a pretty poor hinge on which to turn justification upside down.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 28, 2018 05:39 PM (bZ7mE)

433 So when Soros was helping the Nazis round up other Jews, he was actually like Oskar Schindler?

Is Jared Kushner shorthand for "the Jews", too?
Asking for a friend.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 28, 2018 05:44 PM (Ndje9)

434 So when Soros was helping the Nazis round up other Jews, he was actually like Oskar Schindler?



Is Jared Kushner shorthand for "the Jews", too?

Asking for a friend.



Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 28, 2018 05:44 PM (Ndje9)

This.

The argument that that particular Nazi collaborator is the representative of all that is Jewish is offensive in the extreme.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at October 28, 2018 06:06 PM (F/KeJ)

435 well, it's seems like a tipping point at least in my enclave in brooklyn, lot of talk of finding out what it takes to be armed legally

supposedly, there is a NRA sponsored facilitator that's helps navigate the system here

there's just a lot of recognition here, that we'd feel a lot more comfortable if the lot of us were armed

Posted by: hevel varik at October 28, 2018 06:12 PM (HzufX)

436 "but those Jews' real religion is progressivism, not Judaism, so they don't count."

Thank you for saying that! I stopped going to my synagogue quite a few years ago because I couldn't take the progressive sermons of the rabbi or the condescending ignorance of most of the congregants...

Posted by: Doc Samson at October 28, 2018 06:22 PM (ZZtOH)

437 Doc Samson

Why don't you try out Chabad

Posted by: hevel varik at October 28, 2018 06:48 PM (HzufX)

438 Close Jewish friends stopped by the house last night. Wife complained husband actually thinking about getting a gun. I pulled him aside and explained that I own a gun out of that sense of responsibility, not because I like guns. We're going to the range next week to get him started.

Posted by: IanDeal at October 28, 2018 07:03 PM (5mrLG)

439 Former Nazi Collaborator and Convicted Felon George Soros

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at October 28, 2018 07:36 PM (OaoHX)

440 Masquerading is becoming normal

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Posted by: M at October 28, 2018 08:21 PM (qUYMo)

441 i wonder if Ioffe is actually Jewish. many of the later Soviet emigres were fake Jews with only a paternal grandparent.

Posted by: Avi at October 28, 2018 08:36 PM (kSq2k)

442 441: Probably yes: While at Princeton, she was vice-president of the Princeton Israel Public Affairs Committee and publicly supported the construction of the Israeli West Bank barrier. (per Wikipedia)

Posted by: CN at October 28, 2018 08:41 PM (U7k5w)

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World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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