Decolonizing Academia [KT]

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A clown school. Now superseded, apparently.

We all know, of course, that The Left is today's great colonial power in academia. David Thompson follows new developments in academia. He has put up some recent posts that just have me slack-jawed. I marvel at the ways that academics can turn, like schools of fish, to new variations on old, stupid ideas.

On October 13, Thompson pulled out a quote from one of the authors of the grievance studies hoaxes:

'Critical race theory' is a mess, for example. It's an explicitly political situation, in which 'whiteness' has to be bad and therefore can't do anything right, and they take these ideas and launder them through the academic process. And these departments exist specifically to launder these ideas, to put them through the academic process and give them the appearance of being rigorous studies, so then activists can go and say, "Oh, a study has shown..."

On the campaign by a professor at Duke (along with colleagues) to "attain epistemic liberation from White logic":

Professor Bonilla-Silva and his nasty, paranoid contortions have been mentioned here before. When not denouncing objectivity and "white logic" - or complaining that his employer, Duke University, "oozes whiteness," which is, it goes without saying, a terrible thing to ooze - the professor equates critics of affirmative action with 19th century supporters of slavery. He also claims that non-racial 'colour-blind' attitudes and policies are merely a "way of calling minorities niggers, Spics or Chinks."

One of the more bizarre indicators of Bonilla-Silva's mental state is his written insistence - published in a course syllabus - that students must control their "body language" and avoid any "irresponsible contestation" of his arguments. . .

Anybody got a kid at Duke?

Meanwhile, at Colorado State University:

The school's guidelines urge those who are posting about the university: "Avoid gendered emojis when possible. Instead use one of the variations of the yellow smiley faces or object emojis." The guide also suggests that individuals "use inclusive pronouns" such as "they/them/theirs.

More links along these lines in the comments.

On October 23, Thompson turned his attention to Canada, where Janice Fiamengo reports on "inclusive, decolonised, anti-rational academia":

This is probably now the top hot-button issue at Canadian universities - the move to replace 'European-based knowledge' as exclusionary, inadequate and subjective, and to replace it in some cases with "indigenous knowledge," and even something called "indigenous science"... what some might say is superstition or magical beliefs... The idea that "indigenous knowledge" is not to be questioned, that it has value equal to supposedly 'European' science... is an incredibly worrisome and strange idea.

Dr. Fiamengo turned critical against The Left partly as a result of reactions at her university to 9/11. The linked videos may be long in some cases, but you can do other things while you listen.

The new Canadian obsession with indigenous knowledge gives Thompson a chance to reprise a remarkable earlier post.

Somewhat related, scenes from Cape Town's decolonised academia, where "science people" are scolded for "disrespecting progressive space" - specifically, for doubting the claim that Africans can throw lightning at their enemies

Take a look. Kind of frightening.

Remember, Harvard discriminates against Asians

As predicted by Jason Torres last week, Harvard has been going through a rough patch as its standards for admitting students of various races are exposed. J.J. Sefton picked up a piece by Daniel Greenfield this week.

America is not a white supremacist society. It's a fair and just society whose meritocracy has only been compromised by affirmative action. The lawsuit by Students for Fair Admissions reveals what racism in America really looks like. If you want to see institutional racism, skip the trailer parks where the last of the KKK wizards collect their food stamps, and look at Harvard's affirmative action quotas.

Oooof. But wait, he doesn't just do snark. He goes deeper:

The Harvard lawsuit asks Asians and every other identity group in America whether, as individuals and a community, they benefit or lose from opting out of meritocracy in exchange for group privileges.

That's the essential question of the old debate between capitalism and socialism through the lens of identity politics. Some groups are willing to suppress individual merit for collective privileges even though accepting them sharply caps their individual ability to succeed. Others want off the plantation.

Socialism offered to cap individual potential in exchange for collective security. Affirmative action offers racial groups the same poisoned gift. It claims to do this in the name of fighting white privilege and institutional white supremacy. But what better tool of white supremacy could there be than seducing racial minorities into abandoning their best and brightest by offering them racial quotas and caps.

You might want to read the whole thing. Stay away from school.

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1 First!

Posted by: Flyguy at October 27, 2018 11:29 AM (v30M8)

2 Present!

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 11:30 AM (OMsf+)

3 My kid wants to go to WVU.

Their mascot still carries a rifle, so I am cool with it.

Posted by: blaster at October 27, 2018 11:31 AM (VhKw6)

4 Active shooter at a Pittsburg synagogue..Lord, help the innocent.

Posted by: IC at October 27, 2018 11:32 AM (4lu7W)

5 I knew my lack of intellectual rigor would pay off in the end!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 27, 2018 11:32 AM (kQs4Y)

6 I don't understand how people who have clearly demonstrated being driven by a harmful agenda to the point of mental illness can possibly be tenured professors.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at October 27, 2018 11:33 AM (nBr1j)

7 So Colorado State is giving guidance on which emojis are permissible to use on social media.

We are DOOMED.

Posted by: bluebell at October 27, 2018 11:35 AM (dmqoB)

8 Canada wants to replace the European concept of science?

Well there goes all the research about germs and infections.

Enjoy the cholera Canada.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 27, 2018 11:35 AM (kEdka)

9 This is probably now the top hot-button issue at Canadian universities - the move to replace 'European-based knowledge' as exclusionary, inadequate and subjective, and to replace it in some cases with "indigenous knowledge," and even something called "indigenous science"... what some might say is superstition or magical beliefs... The idea that "indigenous knowledge" is not to be questioned, that it has value equal to supposedly 'European' science... is an incredibly worrisome and strange idea.

Is it racist if I say we're heading for a new Dark Age?

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 11:36 AM (sdi6R)

10 I'm not looking forward to driving over bridges designed by this generation of Canadian engineers.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at October 27, 2018 11:37 AM (nBr1j)

11 My sisters neighbors are 'professional educators; in the NY public school system. Their good for north of $350K a year. They get their summers off to cruise Europe and the Caribbean.

Posted by: J. Sessions The Keebler Oaf at October 27, 2018 11:37 AM (r9UYA)

12 Marlin!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 27, 2018 11:37 AM (ywNoU)

13 Well, this is the day for blind racist and religious hatred.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 11:37 AM (+y/Ru)

14 Their=they're.


Posted by: J. Sessions The Keebler Oaf at October 27, 2018 11:38 AM (r9UYA)

15 Schools are always short of teachers
Maybe conservatives should begin filling those positions

Posted by: Comrade at October 27, 2018 11:39 AM (ozntE)

16 Damn, Ace is on FIRE in the sidebar.

He needs to save some of that sweet heat for the main threads.

Looks like he's feeling better, which is good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 27, 2018 11:39 AM (xJa6I)

17 Active shooter at a Pittsburg synagogue..Lord, help the innocent.
Posted by: IC at October 27, 2018 11:32 AM (4lu7W)


Reporting on the previous thread is that he is in custody and they are clearing the building.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 11:39 AM (mS+Df)

18 Daniel Greenfield's closing line:

Racial quotas help you when you fail. They punish you when you succeed.

Posted by: t-bird at October 27, 2018 11:39 AM (CE5C/)

19 "Silva's mental state is his written insistence - published in a course syllabus - that students must control their "body language" and avoid any "irresponsible contestation" of his arguments. . ."

So rolling your eyes or just laughing out loud at him is forbidden? That would be tough.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 27, 2018 11:40 AM (EzXDh)

20 Pittsburgh, as in PA?

Posted by: t-bird at October 27, 2018 11:40 AM (CE5C/)

21 Ironically, as someone much smarter than I pointed out, the entire raison détre of tenure was so that academics could not be bullied for their beliefs. Turns out even with those protections they are the biggest cowards and flakes around and have rolled over to the room temp IQ types and acceded to their demands over and over.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 27, 2018 11:40 AM (H5tB4)

22 8 dead, 3 police officers shot...

According to reports shooter shouted "All Jews must die".

Posted by: Tami at October 27, 2018 11:41 AM (cF8AT)

23 Death toll in PA now 8 (up from 4,) with three police officers shot.

Shooter shouted, "All Jews must die!"

Sudden jihad syndrome, no doubt.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 11:41 AM (Ri0Ku)

24 Eight dead reported at the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting scene now.

Another horrible day.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at October 27, 2018 11:41 AM (BGwY7)

25 Damn, Ace is on FIRE in the sidebar.

He needs to save some of that sweet heat for the main threads.


He's got vitriol coming out of his ears lately, and I quite like it. A mere blog post can't contain him.

Posted by: t-bird at October 27, 2018 11:42 AM (CE5C/)

26 So if a would be academic wants tenure it simply needs to spout whatever irrational bullshit crosses its tiny little brain because rationality is forbidden.
I think G.K. Chesterton wrote about something like this.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at October 27, 2018 11:42 AM (nBr1j)

27
Sudden jihad syndrome, no doubt.
Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 11:41 AM (Ri0Ku)

Down the memory hole

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at October 27, 2018 11:43 AM (P4Pk9)

28 Has Brian Ross weighed in with his theories yet?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 27, 2018 11:43 AM (Fxt+d)

29 Charles Payne: Ted, the shooter shouted 'All Jews must die.'

Ted Williams: Charles, it sounds very much like a hate crime.


Why am I watching this?

Posted by: Tami at October 27, 2018 11:44 AM (cF8AT)

30 Also, more restrictions are on the way for fraternities. NIC/IFC fraternities are about to be prohibited from having alcohol above 15%ABV at events unless it's served by a third-party vendor. I know that at one university in the SEC there's also a requirement for fraternity football tailgates to also have on hand 20 cases of bottled water (in which a case consists of a minimum of 32 bottles). Note that this restriction is only on the NIC/IFC fraternities and not on the NPHC or MGC organizations.

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 11:44 AM (OMsf+)

31 Has Brian Ross weighed in with his theories yet?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 27, 2018 11:43 AM (Fxt+d)

Does he still have a job?

Posted by: BignJames at October 27, 2018 11:45 AM (0+nbW)

32 Why am I watching this?

Because it is like a Limbo contest and you want to know how stupid they will go. Perhaps even down to One Kohn.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 27, 2018 11:45 AM (kEdka)

33 Sucks to be driving. Always miss the nood announcement.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 11:45 AM (LTE9d)

34 " I marvel at the ways that academics can turn, like schools of fish, to new variations on old, stupid ideas"

Right ... but it is really just them sticking to the same old ideology, applied in new ways, directed by the MSM/FakeA(ca)demia. They move as once (school/collective) because they are herded by their cult leaders, preaching the age old collectivist crap. It is "religion", not flexibly processing new thoughts.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 27, 2018 11:45 AM (Cus5s)

35
Death toll in PA now 8 (up from 4,) with three police officers shot.
Shooter shouted, "All Jews must die!"

So this is Louis Farrakhan's fault.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 11:46 AM (TAmPV)

36 Note that this restriction is only on the NIC/IFC fraternities and not on the NPHC or MGC organizations.
Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 11:44 AM (OMsf+)


They can still get dinged for compliance in a NIST audit though.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 11:46 AM (mS+Df)

37 Has Brian Ross weighed in with his theories yet?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 27, 2018 11:43 AM (Fxt+d)

Does he still have a job?
Posted by: BignJames at October 27, 2018 11:45 AM (0+nbW)

Has it been blamed on a rightwinger or the most pro-Israeli president in a long time?

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at October 27, 2018 11:47 AM (nBr1j)

38 Regarding the CSU emogi guidelines: I'd give the school that steaming little pile of crap emogi.

As we say at CU: Ram *this*!

Posted by: Go Buffs! at October 27, 2018 11:47 AM (Roy2Z)

39 35
Death toll in PA now 8 (up from 4,) with three police officers shot.
Shooter shouted, "All Jews must die!"

So this is Louis Farrakhan's fault.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 11:46 AM (TAmPV)

Yeah, didn't he say recently "I'm not anti-Semite, I'm anti Termite?"

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 11:47 AM (MEgUr)

40 15 Schools are always short of teachers
Maybe conservatives should begin filling those positions
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That ship sailed a long time ago. Normal folks will be immediately identified and ostracised and ran out on a rail. There is a system of credentialism, "school of education", and none shall pass, who are not of the body. So to speak.

They have classes, required, where they teach how to teach, how to teach. Familiarity or competence in the actual subject matter is probably a liability and is not a particular concern.

Modern schools in many areas are straight up child neglect or parental malfeasance. I don't know what the solution is exactly, but a complete disengagement from the system is long overdue.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 27, 2018 11:47 AM (H5tB4)

41 Damn I just gotta finish my book on public elementary education. Its just like this but funny too. If I hear "it's data based" legitimize some stupid useless and sometimes harmful new program in school I'm going to make fakey fake bombs and sit on one.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 27, 2018 11:48 AM (EzXDh)

42 Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 11:36 AM (sdi6R)


Oh yes we are. And it will be slowly, slowly, then all at once. History rhymes.

Posted by: No Longer Suberranean JT at October 27, 2018 11:48 AM (S23KT)

43 And all this for the low, low price of $100,000 at your average college!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 11:49 AM (39g3+)

44 And how much you wanna bet that indigenous science will SMOTHER all mention of the natives managing their environment such as with prairie fires to control weeds? Experience says that any wisdom natives had like "don't put your dick in the poop chute" will be labeled as superstitions and only things like "boil willow bark and drink the tea for fever" will be credited.

Cuz even without scientific methodology early humans across the globe figured out some basics that kept them alive but the modern university commies hate most of those basics and dismiss them as no longer needed with modern technologies.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at October 27, 2018 11:49 AM (cLj/v)

45 Does he still have a job?
Posted by: BignJames

He's back as a 'investigative correspondent' with a unit of ABC News.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 27, 2018 11:50 AM (Fxt+d)

46 Simpsons is dropping the character Apu to 'avoid the controversy'

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Well, thank goodness this casual hate speech need no longer be tolerated!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 11:50 AM (+y/Ru)

47 This suspect Robert Bowers might be the same one on Twitter who hates Trump and thinks Jews control him.

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (MEgUr)

48 students must control their "body language" and avoid any "irresponsible contestation" of his arguments. . .

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Avoid gendered emojis when possible. Instead use one of the variations of the yellow smiley faces or object emojis.

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When I call NPCs NPCs, I don't objectify NPCs. Their institutions do that. They need no assistance in this endeavor from those of us who've retained our free will and remained fully human.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (5aX2M)

49 Mrs. and I put in two votes for DeSantis and two for Scott.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (fYi9j)

50 Why are the Simpsons still on the air? Does Dan Castellaneta really need the work that badly?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (39g3+)

51 >> "Yeah, didn't he say recently "I'm not anti-Semite, I'm anti Termite?"

--Posted by: Marybeth

Watch the media run like hell in the opposite direction to avoid pounding on Farrakhan and his cult for that statement.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (BGwY7)

52 Is it racist if I say we're heading for a new Dark Age?
Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 11:36 AM (sdi6R)


Of course it is! It's also rayciss for a white person to go to Kentucky Fried Chicken and ask for dark meat.

I'M SO SORRY!!

Posted by: MeAgain Kelli at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (cY3LT)

53 Note that this restriction is only on the NIC/IFC fraternities and not on the NPHC or MGC organizations.
Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 11:44 AM (OMsf+)

They can still get dinged for compliance in a NIST audit though.
Posted by: hogmartin




But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (LTE9d)

54 Time to consider the possibly that the Globalist faction of the Derp State are running operations to spark a revolution in America. I don't even believe this is far fetched at this point.

Posted by: Just Tarrible at October 27, 2018 11:52 AM (+BoeS)

55 **the top hot-button issue at Canadian universities - the move to replace 'European-based knowledge' as exclusionary, inadequate and subjective, and to replace it in some cases with "indigenous knowledge," and even something called "indigenous science".**
~~~
So, would Middle Eastern-based knowledge roll it back to the seventh century?

Posted by: Go Buffs! at October 27, 2018 11:53 AM (Roy2Z)

56 I think part of this is due to the fact that it's a lot easier to jump on some fashionable academic bandwagon than to try to figure out something new and interesting to say about "King Lear" or "The Great Gatsby."

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&Vislookingforwardtospringtraining at October 27, 2018 11:53 AM (d6Ksn)

57 Posted by: Common Tater at October 27, 2018 11:47 AM (H5tB4)

Yes, and schools need male teachers (real males with dicks) because boys are being emasculated and brainwashedvery early, but women in schools drive real men out with liberalism, making them out to be child molesters, and sexual harassers because they may say "nice outfit", and by estrogen poisoning. Yes, been there. Done that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 27, 2018 11:53 AM (EzXDh)

58 Why are the Simpsons still on the air? Does Dan Castellaneta really need the work that badly?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (39g3+)

Maybe...at this point...he hasn't made enough money?

Posted by: BignJames at October 27, 2018 11:53 AM (0+nbW)

59 This suspect Robert Bowers might be the same one on Twitter who hates Trump and thinks Jews control him.

Well I mean the odds of it being a Trump supporter or right winger are pretty astronomically small based on the last 30 years of crazies.

Based on that profile the most likely killer is:
-Male
-No Father
-Smokes Pot
-Democrat, to the extent they are political at all
-European or Arabic descent
-20s or 30s
-Muslim or Atheist

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 11:53 AM (39g3+)

60 rickl, re your comment on last post _obma, you can keep your doctors, also save 2,5000 dollars

so there you are.

Posted by: willow at October 27, 2018 11:54 AM (dPd5y)

61
Yeah, didn't he say recently "I'm not anti-Semite, I'm anti Termite?"

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 11:47 AM (MEgUr)


Yep. And of course we all know termites need to be exterminated.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 11:54 AM (TAmPV)

62 47 This suspect Robert Bowers might be the same one on Twitter who hates Trump and thinks Jews control him.

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (MEgUr)

Is it Bower or BowerS? I've now seen both.

Posted by: Tami at October 27, 2018 11:54 AM (cF8AT)

63 Cnn says don't know name yet, where is name said?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 11:54 AM (PUmDY)

64 "Socialism offered to cap individual potential in exchange for collective security."

It is not clear to me (didn't read the whole thing yet) that the preferred people have their potential capped ... seems the "chosen ones" can excel at will. The problem is they do not excel (usually) because they are chosen and advanced beyond their natural ability, based only on some special PC status.


That may crowd out a lot (but not all) of the real achievers, but again the real achievers still often can succeed and not be "capped", but they may have to carry the burden of those in the system that are only "minority hires". (see the Chicago public school system, bad teachers that can't be fired, go on strike for highest pay in the country?)


The achievers that DO get capped, or knocked out completely, are those that won't accept the PC diatribe. They get hung ... out to dry, for treason to the commie cause. They can achieve in the private sector maybe, but even there they may be punished if they don't conform.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 27, 2018 11:55 AM (Cus5s)

65 We welcome our male and white #Allies, but you are constantly TRIGGERING WOMEN AND POC with your insufficient sensitivity to intersectionality.

Please refer to this quick reference guide so you can determine your RHV, understand your place within our shared movement, and create safe spaces for #Resistance to the bad #OrangeMan.

https://tinyurl.com/yclpoeha

Posted by: NPC_berkeley.POC at October 27, 2018 11:55 AM (k+A7x)

66 OK, time for a little comedy relief. White man tells Californians he identifies as a black gay woman.

https://youtu.be/kjQSmtQWlVo

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 11:56 AM (+y/Ru)

67 54 JT-
Many Deep State member are skilled at infiltrating small autonomous terrorist groups... it's be relatively easy for them to influence and fund small operations like this.

Posted by: Go Buffs! at October 27, 2018 11:56 AM (Roy2Z)

68 Why do all these numbnuts continue to call atrocities like this "tragedies?"

Grammar Nazi here . . .

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 11:57 AM (MEgUr)

69 cosmic, sorry , they have to have enough time to make sure online presence disappears

Posted by: willow at October 27, 2018 11:57 AM (dPd5y)

70 Hopefully, it is not Bowzer. Kidding.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 11:57 AM (PUmDY)

71 In fairness, the weather sucks today. I mean- we all know who controls it.

Why is this guy still stealing my air, and why can't we hang people from a tree anymore?

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 11:58 AM (lnWvV)

72 It is not clear to me (didn't read the whole thing yet) that the preferred people have their potential capped ... seems the "chosen ones" can excel at will.

Sure, its Animal Farm all the way down in practice

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 11:58 AM (39g3+)

73 Why are the Simpsons still on the air? Does Dan Castellaneta really need the work that badly?

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At some point, you've made enough Simpsons.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 11:58 AM (+y/Ru)

74 When I call NPCs NPCs, I don't objectify NPCs. Their institutions do that. They need no assistance in this endeavor from those of us who've retained our free will and remained fully human.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (5aX2M)

Exactly. We don't dehumanize Collectivists. Collectivism dehumanizes people on its own, by the very nature of its ideology, seeking to abolish individual responsibility and agency and replace it with a top down social structure where everything is decided by an aristocracy in a distant capitol.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at October 27, 2018 11:59 AM (R9+0K)

75 "Time to consider the possibly that the Globalist faction of the Derp State are running operations to spark a revolution in America."

Gee, nothin' gets past you! /jk

Posted by: Common Tater at October 27, 2018 11:59 AM (H5tB4)

76 Why do all these numbnuts continue to call atrocities like this "tragedies?"
Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 11:57 AM (MEgUr)


Hear, hear.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 11:59 AM (mS+Df)

77 Saying murderer is in custody, white guy

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (T4oHT)

78 Twitterers are saying the suspect is Robert Bowers, and it looks like he's a typical Jew-hating Nazi. Seriously.

One of his tweets:

"Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist.

There is no #MAGA as long as there is a kike infestation.

QAnon is here to get patriots that were against martial law in the 90s to be the ones begging for it now to drain muh swamp.

But go ahead and keep saying you are #Winning."

Also:

"For the record, I did not vote for him nor have I owned, worn or even touched a maga hat."

Sounds like a real freakin' peach.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (Ri0Ku)

79 Don't look at me. I've been doing what I can this semester as a US history instructor at Mizzou; I've said nice things about George Washington and federalism and described slavery and Indian policy as economic realities, not "evil white men being evil!" But I'm just one man.

Posted by: T at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (2PXwn)

80 Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (LTE9d)


You've done it this time buster! No more Delta! I'm calling the national office! I'm going to revoke your charter! And if you wiseguys do one more thing, one more, I'm going to kick you out of college! No more fun of any kind!

Posted by: Howard "Worm" Dean at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (cY3LT)

81 >> 54
"Time to consider the possibly that the Globalist faction of the Derp
State are running operations to spark a revolution in America. I don't
even believe this is far fetched at this point."--

Posted by: Just Tarrible

There's too may people suddenly "going off" in a murderous rage in the last two years-- and the timing of the attacks is always so advantageous to the left-- for this to be viewed as mere "random" acts, The odds are enormously against it.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (BGwY7)

82 54 Time to consider the possibly that the Globalist faction of the Derp State are running operations to spark a revolution in America. I don't even believe this is far fetched at this point.
Posted by: Just Tarrible at October 27, 2018 11:52 AM (+BoeS)


Hell, it's damn near Occam's Razor territory.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (sdi6R)

83 cosmic, sorry , they have to have enough time to make sure online presence disappears

Posted by: willow


So THAT'S what happened to the Palpster !

Posted by: JT at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (QuwU9)

84 Well, I guess it's time to start packing a .45 in my suit for synagogue. Damn it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (5aX2M)

85 **the top hot-button issue at Canadian universities - the move to replace 'European-based knowledge' as exclusionary, inadequate and subjective, and to replace it in some cases with "indigenous knowledge," and even something called "indigenous science".**


Whoo-hoo! Prepares to sacrifice a still beating freshman heart to the test gods!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (LTE9d)

86 At some point you make an example out of someone so even the "crazies" realize these acts are a very bad, painful idea that ends badly.

What they get out of the current media paradigm is fame and personal gratification. In the end, you can thank the sensationalist media and their political modus operandi.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (lnWvV)

87 Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at October 27, 2018 11:59 AM (R9+0K)

coorrectamundo!

We ACKNOWLEDGE their status, we don't create it...

its another form of 'the great unmasking'.

Posted by: Don Quixote at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (NgKpN)

88 from the nutter: QAnon is here to get patriots that were against martial law in the 90s to be the ones begging for it now to drain muh swamp.

I agree with that much.

Pity about all the JOO JOO JOO ranting. The Jew Thing is a terrible drug.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (ykYG2)

89 I have posted this before, but this is an interview (about 43 minutes including commercials) with Michael Rectenwald (Global Liberal Studies NYU) who got afoul of the SJW where he is a professor.

the notes for the article are: Michael Rectenwald, a lifelong leftist, has found himself shunned by former friends and colleagues --even people whose careers he helped advance --because he criticized and satirized some of the more outlandish SJW behavior on his Twitter feed.

Apparently he is now reading Mises and Hayek.


https://preview.tinyurl.com/yb3sr7ql

Posted by: Kindltot at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (mUa7G)

90 Saying murderer is in custody, white guy
Posted by: Skip



They busted the custodian?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 12:02 PM (LTE9d)

91 In order to fully understand Colorado State and their degree of desperation, one only needs to be reminded that their chosen rival is...(wait for it)...Wyoming. A rival that is the singular representative of a state that has more sheep than people. A rival whose enrollment is smaller than Boston College. A rival that did not have a single conference win until last night when they beat CSU 34 - 21.

Posted by: CyberCipher at October 27, 2018 12:02 PM (p6WoB)

92 the move to replace 'European-based knowledge' as exclusionary, inadequate and subjective, and to replace it in some cases with "indigenous knowledge," and even something called "indigenous science".

-
Well, on the other hand, indigenous science doesn't recognize global warming.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 12:02 PM (+y/Ru)

93 78
"For the record, I did not vote for him nor have I owned, worn or even touched a maga hat."

Sounds like a real freakin' peach.
Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (Ri0Ku)


Story? What story?

Posted by: The MSM at October 27, 2018 12:02 PM (sdi6R)

94 Call for Leftists to clamp down on antisemitism in
1,000,000,000,000,000,000, 999,999,999,999,999,999,

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:02 PM (T4oHT)

95 Yudhishthira's Dice: this Mischling would go with you if he could.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:03 PM (ykYG2)

96 85 **the top hot-button issue at Canadian universities - the move to replace 'European-based knowledge' as exclusionary, inadequate and subjective, and to replace it in some cases with "indigenous knowledge," and even something called "indigenous science".**


Whoo-hoo! Prepares to sacrifice a still beating freshman heart to the test gods!
Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (LTE9d)

And for the proper virginal sacrifice, the Evors will ensure a good Educational climate...

We take VISA and MasterCard.

Posted by: Evors 2018 at October 27, 2018 12:03 PM (NgKpN)

97 47 This suspect Robert Bowers might be the same one on Twitter who hates Trump and thinks Jews control him.
Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 11:51 AM (MEgUr)


Save that because if it is him it will change... and may have already.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 27, 2018 12:03 PM (1g7ch)

98 There's too may people suddenly "going off" in a murderous rage in the last two years-- and the timing of the attacks is always so advantageous to the left-- for this to be viewed as mere "random" acts, The odds are enormously against it.

Well, when you control the press there's really no BAD time for a crazy to tear things up, you can always spin and direct the narrative the way you want in a disaster. So the timing thing isn't really all that suspicious.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:03 PM (39g3+)

99 You've done it this time buster! No more Delta! I'm
calling the national office! I'm going to revoke your charter! And if
you wiseguys do one more thing, one more, I'm going to kick you out of
college! No more fun of any kind!

Posted by: Howard "Worm" Dean at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (cY3LT)

Nothing is over until we say it's over!

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at October 27, 2018 12:03 PM (Hn6S7)

100 "For the record, I did not vote for him nor have I owned, worn or even touched a maga hat."

Sounds like a real freakin' peach.
Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (Ri0Ku)


Media buries the story in 3, 2....

Posted by: T at October 27, 2018 12:04 PM (2PXwn)

101 I wonder if the left will turn on Louis Farrakhan now that it is clear his antisemitic remarks are the direct cause of today's massacre?

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:04 PM (Ri0Ku)

102
Well I mean the odds of it being a Trump supporter or right winger are pretty astronomically small based on the last 30 years of crazies.

O' ye of little faith. Weare putting together the Trump supporting neo nazi narrative together as you speak

Posted by: This is CNN at October 27, 2018 12:04 PM (TAmPV)

103 92 the move to replace 'European-based knowledge' as exclusionary, inadequate and subjective, and to replace it in some cases with "indigenous knowledge," and even something called "indigenous science".

-
Well, on the other hand, indigenous science doesn't recognize global warming.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 12:02 PM (+y/Ru)

Global Warming? It happens when the 4 Elephants who hold up the world.. the ones who sit on top of the Turtle..

Has gas..

Posted by: Evors 2018 at October 27, 2018 12:04 PM (NgKpN)

104 "Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (5aX2M)"

You should be already. And go with 9mm. In CQB it's going to be about accuracy.

Familiarize yourself with entrances and egress routes. Likely points of entry for a perp, and cover options. I already have that plan at my church.

You would be surprised how many places of worship are very vulnerable once a perp gets inside. The egress routes are generally not ideal.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:05 PM (lnWvV)

105 Sounds like a real freakin' peach.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:00 PM (Ri0Ku)

IrishEi, do you have his twitter handle or a link to where you got those quotes?

Posted by: Tami at October 27, 2018 12:06 PM (cF8AT)

106 I'm not saying this guy voted for Trump, or that Trump got these Jews killed, but basically Trump got these Jews killed with his divisive and incendiary rhetoric that no one else is using.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to wipe this "mayonnaise" off my chin.

Posted by: Shep Smith at October 27, 2018 12:06 PM (2PXwn)

107 BTW, interesting how Twitter bans thoughtful and effective Right people like Milo and Ace and even hbd*chick, but lets actual Nazis have the run of the place.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:06 PM (ykYG2)

108 A few cases like the toy bomber and the Las Vegas concert shooter do seem like some kind of globalist cabal must be involved. But for the most part I think we have the FNM pushing the revolution. They stifle all stories of violence by commies, especially POC commies and flood the airwaves with every bad act committed by someone the FNM thinks is in the basket of deplorables.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at October 27, 2018 12:07 PM (cLj/v)

109 The sciences and math tend to be too absolute and fact-based for lefties to tolerate. They've long been looking for ways to fix that, unsuccessfully so far, but they're still trying.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:07 PM (39g3+)

110 Time to consider the possibly that the Globalist faction of the Derp State are running operations to spark a revolution in America. I don't even believe this is far fetched at this point.
Posted by: Just Tarrible at October 27, 2018 11:52 AM (+BoeS)


Yesterday, Gergle had a quote from a NYT article featuring former fed chair Barnknuckle saying something about this being the worst time ever in the history of evar!

The globallists are probably THE one line of division that is most important to Don Trump. He sees them as the enemy, more than any other faction. And he's fighting them, and he's winning, and this shooter appears to be on board with them.

So yeah, everybody's got a crazy cousin. This one is your, glowballers.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 27, 2018 12:07 PM (cY3LT)

111 Perfect example of how academic idiots can obfuscate reality: I saw a book the other day titled "The Disney Fetish." This is an *actual* quote from the preface:

This text seeks to provide an account of the subject as a consumer of mass-media. Within this consumption it is argued that this consumer must interact with commercial entities (the producers of mass-media) as socio-cultural institutions. These commercial entities provide media that in turn enables a self-administration of gratification. In this context it is argued that the Walt Disney Company is structurally perverse, that the gratification of the Disney consumer is achieved at their expense, and that this expense is to the benefit of Disney commercially and structurally as a major socio-cultural institution.

Translation: Companies are formed to produce entertainment; we consume the entertainment we like and pay the companies for it; as a result, these companies make lots of money and become well-known.

And you say this like it's a BAD thing!

I obviously refuse to validate this crazy by reading any more of the actual book, but judging by the table of contents, he spends three entire chapters using the concept of the *alchemical homunculus* to analyze Disney. (This from the Party of Science (tm), mind you!)

Posted by: Joe Smith at October 27, 2018 12:07 PM (YUB4+)

112 Yeah the Las Vegas shooter and Seth Rich killer seem to have ended up in the same filing cabinet as the Chandra Levy killer: we'll never solve this one boys... right? RIGHT???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:08 PM (39g3+)

113 You should be already. And go with 9mm. In CQB it's going to be about accuracy.



You would be surprised how many places of worship are very
vulnerable once a perp gets inside. The egress routes are generally not
ideal.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:05 PM (lnWvV)


Just another reason I love living in Georgia. Talking to pastor about concealed carry during services:
Pastor, with surprised look: "You're not already?"

Similar conversation in the bar I sometimes go to.

Bar owner, with surprised look: "You're not already?"

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 12:08 PM (OMsf+)

114 Cnn commentator saying "State" charges. What the What?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 12:08 PM (PUmDY)

115 Lots of people "go native" I'm sure. And not just by joining indigenous tribes. I applaud all the hippies joining ashrams, Jonathan Walker Lindh and Dian Fossey for "going native" in their own distinct ways by simply, peacefully leaving.

But these "indigenous knowledge" people. Why do they have to become administrators and fake professors and seek to bully people in colleges and degrade the institutions? They're still operating in the context of civilization. They should put up or shut up: leave your post and join an Indian tribe, if you believe their science and knowledge are superior to ours.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 12:09 PM (/qEW2)

116 IrishEi, do you have his twitter handle or a link to where you got those quotes?
Posted by: Tami at October 27, 2018 12:06 PM
~~~~~

His handle WAS @onedingo, but not anymore. Gone apparently.

Here are links to the tweets I saw:

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1056208150670397446

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1056212048990867457

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:09 PM (Ri0Ku)

117 TW, interesting how Twitter bans thoughtful and
effective Right people like Milo and Ace and even hbd*chick, but lets
actual Nazis have the run of the place.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:06 PM (ykYG2)


Much easier for them to make the case that everyone not voting D is a nazi.

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 12:10 PM (OMsf+)

118 A Texan friend of mine posts:

I went to three North San Antonio early voting sites yesterday. It is a heavily Republican part of town. I did not get to vote as the lines were too long. Not the lines of people (which were spilling out into the parking lot) but the line of cars waiting for a parking spot. I have never seen it like this for any election, especially a mid term. The turnout at those voting sites was about 4 times larger than I have ever seen. Don't know about the West, East or north side turnouts.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 12:10 PM (+y/Ru)

119 Well I mean the odds of it being a Trump supporter or right winger are pretty astronomically small based on the last 30 years of crazies.

Wait 'til the mug shot of him wearing a MAGA cap, helpfully photoshopped on.

Posted by: t-bird at October 27, 2018 12:10 PM (Ydn2k)

120 Someone grabbed the Robert Bowers stuff off Twatter . . .

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1056208150670397446?s=21

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:10 PM (MEgUr)

121 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:03 PM (ykYG2)

----

Thanks man. I know it. In the end the Normals will stick together.

Now, was he "known to the FBI?" If past is prologue, they probably bought the gun and the bullets for him.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:11 PM (5aX2M)

122 Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:13 PM (39g3+)

123 Electricity is racist unless it's finger lightning.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 27, 2018 12:14 PM (aKsyK)

124 Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.

Did they get that far? I thought they were being cut off by Hurricane Willa.

Posted by: t-bird at October 27, 2018 12:14 PM (98WNR)

125 Marybeth: the conversation (RobbyStarbuck, on Twitter) puts the murdering nutter @onedingo on Gab, not Twitter.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:14 PM (ykYG2)

126 122 Well then the Border Security should wheel that in and send it to California as a gift

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:15 PM (T4oHT)

127 Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:13 PM (39g3+)


Well, do what the Trojans should have done, and give a bunch of amped up six-year-old boys sticks and tell them there is candy inside.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 27, 2018 12:15 PM (mUa7G)

128 125 Marybeth: the conversation (RobbyStarbuck, on Twitter) puts the murdering nutter @onedingo on Gab, not Twitter.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:14 PM (ykYG2)

Ahh - thanks for the correction.

If this is the guy, though . . . wow! What a nutter!

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:16 PM (MEgUr)

129 Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.

-
Oh, shit!

Posted by: Cassandra at October 27, 2018 12:16 PM (+y/Ru)

130 A Texan friend of mine posts:

Voting in Harris County (Houston) is on track to pass the total for the 2016 general election. I tried three times and finally was able to vote. Long lines and no parking.

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at October 27, 2018 12:16 PM (P4Pk9)

131 Invaders decline Mexico's offer to stay there, vow to push north.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 12:17 PM (/qEW2)

132 BTW, interesting how Twitter bans thoughtful and effective Right people like Milo and Ace and even hbd*chick, but lets actual Nazis have the run of the place.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:06 PM (ykYG2)

They want to reduce the Right-leaning prescence on their site to a group of crazies so that they can successfully cast everyone to the right of Mao as a Nazi while claiming that they are still committed to free speech.

Posted by: Surfperch at October 27, 2018 12:17 PM (2m1vT)

133 Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:13 PM (39g3+)

Trojan Pinata LOL

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at October 27, 2018 12:18 PM (EGSGm)

134 Also, @onedingleberry seems to be friendly with black people, interestingly. He just hated him some joos.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:18 PM (ykYG2)

135 122 Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:13 PM (39g3+)


I'm laughing way too hard at that.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:18 PM (sdi6R)

136 You would be surprised how many places of worship are very vulnerable once a perp gets inside. The egress routes are generally not ideal.

------

Upshot: our synagogue is designed to showcase it's mountain setting, so the sanctuary has two sets of double doors leading outside.

To me the biggest concern with churches is that unlike schools, there are old and infirm people who CAN'T escape. Meaning those of us with guns will have to stand and fight for the duration. Difficult if not impossible to clear a sanctuary.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:18 PM (5aX2M)

137 complicated shit like this ^^ inclines me to think the @onedingo account is real. I mean, before Gab scrubbed it

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:19 PM (ykYG2)

138 It's a big multi colored donkey

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:19 PM (T4oHT)

139 Invaders decline Mexico's offer to stay there, vow to push north.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 12:17 PM (/qEW2)

Stupid choice on their part, if they had accepted the amnesty they could've slipped over the border individually and without causing much of a stir.

Posted by: Surfperch at October 27, 2018 12:20 PM (2m1vT)

140 If viewed as part of the so-called "deep state", the news media is part and parcel of the "revolution". It's not really up for debate, they have an agenda, obviously.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 27, 2018 12:20 PM (H5tB4)

141 Ramirez should draw that up

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:20 PM (T4oHT)

142 130 A Texan friend of mine posts:

Voting in Harris County (Houston) is on track to pass the total for the 2016 general election. I tried three times and finally was able to vote. Long lines and no parking.

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at October 27, 2018 12:16 PM


Ha. I actually read that "I voted three times..."

Posted by: Diogenes at October 27, 2018 12:20 PM (0tfLf)

143 Cnn is strangely curious about whether this could be classified as a federal hate crime.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 12:20 PM (PUmDY)

144 137 complicated shit like this ^^ inclines me to think the @onedingo account is real. I mean, before Gab scrubbed it
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:19 PM (ykYG2)

Yep, that certainly seems to point toward it being the guy.

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:20 PM (MEgUr)

145 Has CNN blamed the shooting on Trump yet?
That's rhetorical, of course they did.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 12:21 PM (hgUZZ)

146
Ha. I actually read that "I voted three times..."
Posted by: Diogenes at October 27, 2018 12:20 PM (0tfLf)

And that!

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at October 27, 2018 12:21 PM (P4Pk9)

147 30 A Texan friend of mine posts:

Voting in Harris County (Houston) is on track to pass the total for the 2016 general election. I tried three times and finally was able to vote. Long lines and no parking.

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at October 27, 2018 12:16 PM

___

Is that a good or bad sing? Isn't Harris uber Democrat?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 12:21 PM (hgUZZ)

148 Less than 3% of all UT staff or admin donations go to conservative causes or pols.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 27, 2018 12:21 PM (JFO2v)

149 Invaders decline Mexico's offer to stay there, vow to push north.

Are you kidding us? This place is a shithole!

Posted by: Grassroots Hondurans at October 27, 2018 12:22 PM (Z1eux)

150 Not much similarity between the present situation of the West and the situation immediately prior to the dissolution of the Western Roman Empire (remember, there was another half that didn't fall until the fifteenth century...)

Right up until and even after the collapse of the Roman system, the educated elite were still loudly singing the praises of Roman culture and writing about the "barbarians" in exactly the same dismissive language that their ancestors had been using for centuries, even as the Germans were kicking their butts...Exactly the opposite of our situation, in which our "elite" denigrates our own culture and elevates that of others.

So no, History doesn't always rhyme.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 12:22 PM (bZ7mE)

151 Squirrel Hill is basically locked down. Fucking sickening.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 27, 2018 12:24 PM (89T5c)

152 Is that a good or bad sing? Isn't Harris uber Democrat?
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 12:21 PM (hgUZZ)

I don't know but one day it rained the whole day and the voting never slowed down. I don't see the Dems being that committed.

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at October 27, 2018 12:24 PM (P4Pk9)

153 White man with a beard in custody....

David Letterman??

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 12:24 PM (hgUZZ)

154 140 If viewed as part of the so-called "deep state", the news media is part and parcel of the "revolution". It's not really up for debate, they have an agenda, obviously.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 27, 2018 12:20 PM (H5tB4)


As I've said before, in the USSR Pravda reporters told lies and spread propaganda for fear of being arrested and sent to the gulag. Today's media does it willingly.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:24 PM (sdi6R)

155 Marybeth: the conversation (RobbyStarbuck, on Twitter) puts the murdering nutter @onedingo on Gab, not Twitter.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:14 PM
~~~~~


GAB has deleted his account, but a site called Kiwi Farms grabbed some info before they did so. Here's their link. They've also included links to the screenshots at the bottom:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/robert-bowers-onedingo.49350/

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:24 PM (Ri0Ku)

156 122
Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:13 PM (39g3+)

If we were to build a large wooden badger...

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at October 27, 2018 12:25 PM (Hn6S7)

157 Did they name the shooter yet?

Other than anti-Semitic asshole, I mean.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 27, 2018 12:25 PM (zJZZl)

158 Ramirez should draw that up
Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:20 PM (T4oHT)


RAMIREZ

DRAW THAT UP

Posted by: SGT Foley at October 27, 2018 12:25 PM (mS+Df)

159 My county set a record for early voting as well. It's a 50/50 county, with the city being 80/20 blue and burbs 70/30 red (bore burbs than city hence the 50/50 over all).

So the record turnout could be something or nothing or everything, depending on which part of the county is voting early.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 12:26 PM (hgUZZ)

160 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:19 PM (ykYG2)

------

Awhile back, they busted a couple of guys running a meth ring. They'd met in prison. One was Aryan Brotherhood, the other a black Crip. Sometimes people will set aside differences for a greater goal.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:26 PM (5aX2M)

161 VERY NSFW, but someone called him (and a bunch of other anti-semites) out on Gab yesterday:

https://tinyurl.com/ybo5k6j6
If you look at the other accounts, lots of "BadOrangeMan is a puppit of muh Joooos" content.

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 12:27 PM (OMsf+)

162 157 Did they name the shooter yet?

Other than anti-Semitic asshole, I mean.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 27, 2018 12:25 PM (zJZZl)

__

if his name were David "Bubba" Smith, we would have known it by now. So it's most likely Ahmed Mahmoud, formerly known as David Smith.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 12:27 PM (hgUZZ)

163 Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:13 PM (39g3+)

Well, do what the Trojans should have done, and give a bunch of amped up six-year-old boys sticks and tell them there is candy inside.
Posted by: Kindltot



Light the fucker. The screams would be glorious.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 12:27 PM (LTE9d)

164 well we do have the nominally right, that seems to devolve into greenwald and what the mean when the left seems to meet the right?the lefty libertarian crowd Ihave seen at demonstrations wth the left burning bush /hilter effigies and calling jews /isreal, those names we all hear, the last 10 years?

Posted by: willow at October 27, 2018 12:27 PM (dPd5y)

165 "Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:01 PM (5aX2M)"

Four words: move to the threat.

I haven't been to a synagogue in years. But what I remember there is generally not a lot of cover. Catholic Churches often have heavy wood pews. Other Christian churches I've been to have folding chairs.

Chaos and confusion- people running, etc. also doesn't just work to a shooters advantage, especially when they start getting return fire.

Part of the problem is that most ranges and most civilian pistol ranges enforce a linear type of shooting with no focus on "shoot and move". If you can get to a range where such basic CQB practice is available or taught, it's well worth the time and money.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:27 PM (lnWvV)

166 Squirrel Hill is basically locked down. Fucking sickening.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 27, 2018 12:24 PM (89T5c)

Fuck!!

This is in Pittsburgh?!?!

I got people there. Gotta go.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:27 PM (5aX2M)

167 This synagogue shooting is a direct result of Trump's overheated rhetoric against Muslims and dreamers....

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 12:28 PM (NFEMn)

168 150
Exactly the opposite of our situation, in which our "elite" denigrates our own culture and elevates that of others.

So no, History doesn't always rhyme.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 12:22 PM (bZ7mE)


Great point. Thanks.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:28 PM (sdi6R)

169 As I wrote earlier first thing to go after any major crime is the social media.
Does it ever get all logged in as evidence or just the Leftist control covering up?

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:29 PM (T4oHT)

170 Not surprising, only disgusting how quickly the social media presence is scrubbed when it doesn't fit the leftist narrative.

The Dems must be LIVID that one of their own might be wiping the Fake Bomb suspect off the front pages.

Just in time for the Sunday propaganda shows.

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:29 PM (MEgUr)

171 bert was that really necessary?

Posted by: willow at October 27, 2018 12:29 PM (dPd5y)

172 This is in Pittsburgh?!?!

I got people there. Gotta go.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:27 PM (5aX2M)


O_O

Please keep us posted, YD.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 12:29 PM (mS+Df)

173 The Academy used to use academics to bolster their liberal views. Now they use Leftism to bolster their academics. That's putting the cart before the hippocampus.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 12:29 PM (Ndje9)

174 Tree of Life synagogue, YD.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 27, 2018 12:30 PM (89T5c)

175 so now I have seen my first porn, thank a fkn lot

Posted by: willow at October 27, 2018 12:30 PM (dPd5y)

176 172 This is in Pittsburgh?!?!

I got people there. Gotta go.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:27 PM (5aX2M)

Oh dear . . . Prayers go with you YD.

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:30 PM (MEgUr)

177 I think vote by mail and early voting should be banned by a constitutional amendment. I mean the US constitution pretty plainly says in english that federal elections are all to take place on the same day, but apparently some judge figured that was just crazy talk and we need something more specific and clear.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:31 PM (39g3+)

178 White man with a beard in custody....

---------------------------------------------------

Here we go. Must be a Trump supporter.
On the other hand, as the media never points out, Arabs are white.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 12:31 PM (NFEMn)

179 Part of the problem is that most ranges and most
civilian pistol ranges enforce a linear type of shooting with no focus
on "shoot and move". If you can get to a range where such basic CQB
practice is available or taught, it's well worth the time and money.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:27 PM (lnWvV)


Find a club or group that hosts or is involved in USPSA or IDPA. There's a lot of them out there.

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 12:31 PM (OMsf+)

180 The Dems must be LIVID that one of their own might be wiping the Fake Bomb suspect off the front pages.

"Right winger does something bad: its about the right wing and Trump's atmosphere of violence.
Left winger does something bad: its about the act and Trump's atmosphere of violence.

Easy peasy"
--Legacy media

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:32 PM (39g3+)

181 Prayers YD.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 27, 2018 12:32 PM (0tfLf)

182 160
Awhile back, they busted a couple of guys running a meth ring. They'd met in prison. One was Aryan Brotherhood, the other a black Crip. Sometimes people will set aside differences for a greater goal.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:26 PM (5aX2M)



"Ebony and Ivory, live together in perfect harmony..."

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:32 PM (sdi6R)

183 Here we go. Must be a Trump supporter.
On the other hand, as the media never points out, Arabs are white.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 12:31 PM
~~~~~

Nope. Trump and Jew hater.

Ctrl F this page for "Bowers" and see links.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:33 PM (Ri0Ku)

184 I never experienced leftard profs. But Im an engineer.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 27, 2018 12:33 PM (Rt8Uf)

185 178 White man with a beard in custody....

---------------------------------------------------

Here we go. Must be a Trump supporter.


Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 12:31 PM (NFEMn)


Nope, appears to be an anti-Semite who thinks Trump is controlled by Jewish people.

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:33 PM (MEgUr)

186 Kudos to KT - your posts are always very interesting, meaty, and very well done.


Perhaps I'm being too impatient and peremptory about it, but I dismiss and condemn *all* of this nonsense as crackpot racism - that is, the "decolonizers" and "post modernists" and whatever other dumb label they invented for themselves.


It's outrageous that ignorant, malignant racism of the sort these people push - and they seem literally mentally or emotionally unwell - is tolerated, and allowed to poison and degrade any part of our society, much less the formerly precious higher education system.


These ignoramuses are dime-store echoes of the Nazi "racial science" kooks, the actual ones - but they wouldn't understand that, being the dumbest and most uneducated "educators" in history.


It's a disgrace and an indictment of the entire populace (both Canada and the US) that this toxic idiocy has been allowed to establish itself.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 27, 2018 12:34 PM (QDnY+)

187 I hope your friends are OK, YD.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:34 PM (sdi6R)

188 Prison factions are more about survival than ideology. You join up a clique to be left alone and protected, not because you love their pamphlet.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:34 PM (39g3+)

189
Nope, appears to be an anti-Semite who thinks Trump is controlled by Jewish people.
Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:33 PM (MEgUr)

So still Trump's fault, right?
- MSM

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 12:34 PM (hgUZZ)

190 The school's guidelines urge those who are posting about the university: "Avoid gendered emojis when possible. Instead use one of the variations of the yellow smiley faces or object emojis." The guide also suggests that individuals "use inclusive pronouns" such as "they/them/theirs.

If this isn't outright mental illness, it is severely arrested development at the very least. These freaks sound like they're participating in a child's game, squabbling over who is going to be the green fairy and who is going to be the pink one. It's hilarious and tragic, all at the same time.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 27, 2018 12:35 PM (Tyii7)

191 Although most don't understand the unbomber motivations, the notion that the entire thing was some kind of ruse or hoax was proven correct. That most of the conspiracy theorists were at least partially correct doesn't seem to have been grasped by most.

Posted by: Max Power at October 27, 2018 12:35 PM (QCc6B)

192 some people on twitter saved some of Bowers twitter crap before with was deleted.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 27, 2018 12:35 PM (L01V2)

193

So no, History doesn't always rhyme.

It will, however, engage in a bit of onomatopoeia occasionally.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2018 12:35 PM (HaL55)

194 I never experienced leftard profs. But Im an engineer.

If you got a degree, you did. but its a matter of how loud they were about it, and they used to be less loud and insane about 20 years ago or so.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:36 PM (39g3+)

195 Nope, appears to be an anti-Semite who thinks Trump is controlled by Jewish people.
Posted by: Marybeth



Aka, the left.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 12:36 PM (LTE9d)

196 Prayers ascending, YD!

Posted by: Surfperch at October 27, 2018 12:36 PM (2m1vT)

197 188 Prison factions are more about survival than ideology. You join up a clique to be left alone and protected, not because you love their pamphlet.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:34 PM (39g3+)

___

The movie Shot Caller deals with this. Middle class white collar type, drinks and drives, kills someone, goes to prison, becomes Aryan Brotherhood kingpin. Not because he loves Nazis, but because it's the only to survive.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 12:37 PM (hgUZZ)

198 Heh. I was in engineering school 30 years ago. Im a geezer.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 27, 2018 12:38 PM (Rt8Uf)

199 Might be early for movies but found a favorite on This.TV
Battle of Britain, co CGI

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:38 PM (T4oHT)

200 some people on twitter saved some of Bowers twitter crap before with was deleted.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at October 27, 2018 12:35 PM (L01V2)


Looks like he was on Gab; Gab has already removed his account. I suspect they haven't deleted it, but have simply removed it from public viewing.

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 12:38 PM (OMsf+)

201 What Chris Taylor said (and several of us have been saying it): one day for elections, voting in person, no early voting. Only the usual, historically used well-founded reasons for absentee voting. Paper ballots. Voter ID.


Purging/policing of voter rolls to ensure accuracy and eligibility is the other element. Do all those, and one could have confidence in the election process again.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 27, 2018 12:38 PM (QDnY+)

202 These freaks sound like they're participating in a child's game, squabbling over who is going to be the green fairy and who is going to be the pink one. It's hilarious and tragic, all at the same time.

Mr Pink: Why can't we pick out our own colors?

Joe: I tried that once, it don't work. You get four guys fighting over who's gonna be Mr. Black. Since nobody knows anybody else, nobody wants to back down. So forget it, I pick. Be thankful you're not Mr. Yellow.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:38 PM (39g3+)

203 Five fast facts about Pittsburgh synagogue shooter:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers/

Including him being anti-Trump -- the Globalist.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 27, 2018 12:39 PM (Evws/)

204 So any word on who thw shooter is in Pittsburgh?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:39 PM (Fh8wK)

205 199 Might be early for movies but found a favorite on This.TV
Battle of Britain, co CGI
Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:38 PM (T4oHT)


First movie I saw in a theater. My dad took me when I was 10 or 11.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:40 PM (sdi6R)

206 I wonder when it will occur to the university authorities that "indigenous science" faculty should, nay MUST be paid in "indigenous currency" rather than that nasty Western concept, money... To do otherwise would be gravely offensive!

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at October 27, 2018 12:40 PM (vyQkp)

207
Aka, the left.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 12:36 PM (LTE9d)

Farrakhan called Jews termites last week and termites are something that needs to be exterminated. And less than a week later this sick bastard answers Farrakhan's call.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 12:40 PM (TAmPV)

208
I never experienced leftard profs. But Im an engineer.
Posted by: Xipe Totec


You should have taken some indigenous engineering courses.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 27, 2018 12:40 PM (aKsyK)

209 some people on twitter saved some of Bowers twitter crap before with was deleted.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken


Proof he was a rabid lefty.
They only scrub Leftist's accounts.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 12:40 PM (LTE9d)

210 Absentee voting is probably constitutional under the condition that voter has no other way to cast their ballot. The expansion of that to other people who do it as a matter on convenience is not.

Early voting is already in trouble with the courts and once it gets to SCOTUS it will be eliminated. The place and manner of federal elections is domain of the federal government as prescribed by our constitution.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:41 PM (lnWvV)

211 208
I never experienced leftard profs. But Im an engineer.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

You should have taken some indigenous engineering courses.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 27, 2018 12:40 PM (aKsyK)


Learn to build rope bridges.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:42 PM (sdi6R)

212 Shooter shouted "All Jews must die"?

Any word on the race of the shooter?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:42 PM (Fh8wK)

213 Cnn is freaking out due to PDT's comments.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 12:42 PM (PUmDY)

214 Arguing with a democrat has always been an exercise in how to keep them from stealing bases. But at least some of the time, when they tried to steal a base in an argument with a "whaddabout", it was about an event that actually happened.

Since, oh, i'd say mid-way through the Obama presidency, the left almost universally seems to argue with stolen-base tactics, but they use "facts" that simply did not (or even could not) happen.

"Tea Party Violence"
"Trump is a racist"
"Kavanaugh's a rapist"
"Trump supporters bombing people"
"Trump supporter shoots up a Synagogue"
and my all time favorite... "Aloha Snackbar's motives unknown"

None of those things are real, and yet they attempt to force me to "defend" myself and "My guy" (Trump) from these smears. Not just false smears, *ridiculously* false smears. And when I point out how ridiculous and false they are, they claim i'm simply "Drinking The Kool-Aid". All argument is shut down, and all that remains is anger and abuse.

This is the atmosphere of Paris in 1782. Or Beijing in 19-- well basically the entire first half of the 20th century. They intentionally make argument impossible, so that the only recourse becomes violence. And it fucking terrifies me.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 12:42 PM (BRvh1)

215 Spitfire, Hurricans, He-111 and Susannah York in white cotton, what's not to love?

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:42 PM (T4oHT)

216 Well, the Heavy.com factoids aren't gonna yield the overall message of "Liberal that didn't like Trump".

They are gonna yield the message of "Alt-Right, anti-immigrant right winger".

All too coincidentally timed.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 27, 2018 12:43 PM (zJZZl)

217 Robert Bowers a white guy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:43 PM (Fh8wK)

218 Learn to build rope bridges.

In Skull Towers 101 . . .

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 27, 2018 12:43 PM (H5knJ)

219
Any word on the race of the shooter?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:42 PM (Fh8wK


White and appears to be a neo nazi

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 12:43 PM (TAmPV)

220 CNN Headline:

The hatred continues in Trump's America.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 27, 2018 12:45 PM (y7DUB)

221 No doubt a Neo-nazis so in Leftist eyes a Alt Right Winger

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:45 PM (T4oHT)

222 "Posted by: willow at October 27, 2018 12:30 PM (dPd5y)"

I would have at least expected a review from you.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:45 PM (lnWvV)

223 Any word on the race of the shooter?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:42 PM
~~~~~

White male named Robert Bowers. Nazi and Jew hater. Shouted "All Jews must die"

I posted some links above to screenshots and Twitter info.

Of course, the police have not identified him yet, but this is what's going around.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:45 PM (Ri0Ku)

224 219
Any word on the race of the shooter?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:42 PM (Fh8wK


White and appears to be a neo nazi
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 12:43 PM (TAmPV)

Who thinks Jewis mind-control is being exercised on Trump.

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:45 PM (MEgUr)

225 Report: Pittsburgh Shooter Named is Nazi Robert Bowers Hates Donald Trump, Says Trump Controlled by Jews

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:45 PM (Fh8wK)

226 Pam Geller has several of his anti-Trump gab.ai postings here:
https://gellerreport.com/2018/10/bowers-jew-hater.html/

Posted by: andycanuck at October 27, 2018 12:46 PM (Evws/)

227 Any word on the race of the shooter?

Human idiot lunatic

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:46 PM (39g3+)

228 PDT will be blamed anyway...I am sure he already is being blamed

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:46 PM (Fh8wK)

229 220 CNN Headline:

The hatred continues in Trump's America.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 27, 2018 12:45 PM (y7DUB)

and under the spell of Screwy Louie Farrakan's recent statement about "Anti-Termites."

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:47 PM (MEgUr)

230

Looks like he was on Gab; Gab has already removed his account. I suspect
they haven't deleted it, but have simply removed it from public
viewing.

Shit. I think I may have muted that idiot. I remember getting an anti-semitic post on my timeline from someone else recently, which happens from time to time.
And one of my profile pictures got changed somehow without my knowledge or consent to an incorrect NPC image. I IM'd Andrew Torba (Gab's Head Honcho, whom I follow) about it but haven't heard back.
And my phone has been ringing off the hook since Monday. It appears that someone applied for a home loan online and used my number. No real biggie since I don't answer numbers I don't know because bill collectors. Doesn't look like an identity theft, thank goodness.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2018 12:47 PM (HaL55)

231 They are gonna yield the message of "Alt-Right, anti-immigrant right winger".
All too coincidentally timed.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 27, 2018 12:43 PM
~~~~~

But.....

He was a NeverTrumper!

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:47 PM (Ri0Ku)

232 He called the shooter a whacko!

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 12:48 PM (PUmDY)

233 210 Absentee voting is probably constitutional under the condition that voter has no other way to cast their ballot. The expansion of that to other people who do it as a matter on convenience is not.

Early voting is already in trouble with the courts and once it gets to SCOTUS it will be eliminated. The place and manner of federal elections is domain of the federal government as prescribed by our constitution.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:41 PM (lnWvV)


Early voting needs to be abolished and absentee voting should be severely curtailed to people who are physically unable to get to the polls.

Election Day is a great equalizer in society. Everybody, rich and poor, old and young, all drop what they're doing and go vote.

Fine, move it to a weekend, make it a national holiday, but the concept of Election Day should be preserved.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:48 PM (sdi6R)

234 @22

Donks and Deep State picking up tempo.

I fully expect a black church or POC target to be next.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 27, 2018 12:48 PM (OAM2j)

235 I see on KiwiFarms that @onedingleberry liked to drink and to smoke da choom.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:48 PM (ykYG2)

236 >> 195
"Nope, appears to be an anti-Semite who thinks Trump is controlled by Jewish people.--Posted by: Marybeth



>> "Aka, the left."

Posted by: rickb223

Let's wait and see how this plays out.

It's possible that he's a radical white nationalist; there is a small anti-Semitic faction on the alt-right that doesn't support Trump because they think he's primarily and ultimately subservient to Jewish interests.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at October 27, 2018 12:48 PM (BGwY7)

237 Appropos of "absentee voting"..

Anything important with one's signature - often needs to be notorized, with a witness. Why not a ballot request? Considering the importance of voting, it may sound draconian but the point being "we" as society are entirely too cavalier about voting. One cannot even rent a movie without producing ID, somehow, voting is immune to such safeguards.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 27, 2018 12:48 PM (H5tB4)

238 briefly returning to the last thread on septic systems (ok, somewhat related to today's academia) ... that Rid-X product has bacteria that digest cellulose, which probably is not passed on through normal sewage ... so that seems like a good idea, dribbling a little in once a month, but only 10% of what they suggest ... once it is introduced, it should survive a long time.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 27, 2018 12:49 PM (Cus5s)

239 235 I see on KiwiFarms that @onedingleberry liked to drink and to smoke da choom.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 12:48 PM (ykYG2)

He was a "Choom Gang" member, so this must be Obummer's fault.

Posted by: Marybeth at October 27, 2018 12:49 PM (MEgUr)

240 Early voting needs to be abolished and absentee voting should be severely curtailed to people who are physically unable to get to the poll

Exactly, vote by mail only for service members overseas and people medically incapable of getting to the polls. Not uncomfortable, not awkward, not difficult but INCAPABLE. NO more of this absentee ballots for everyone who applies without any limitations.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:49 PM (39g3+)

241 Crappy, rainy weather. So instead of cleaning up leaves, I'll be cleaning my new pistol. Sounds like a fair trade...

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:50 PM (lnWvV)

242 Wait: If Donald Trump is controlled by the Jews, then he IS responsible for the hurricanes!

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:50 PM (sdi6R)

243 Heh. I was in engineering school 30 years ago. Im a geezer.
Posted by: Xipe Totec
Over 40 years here - you're a young geezer. Get off my lawn!

Posted by: Tonypete at October 27, 2018 12:50 PM (9rIkM)

244 Marcus T, aside from the date (which might support eliminating early voting), much of the electoral process is left up to the states - main reason uniform election integrity measures (e.g. voter ID) cannot be mandated from above.


Is there a case making its way to SCOTUS on early voting?

Posted by: rhomboid at October 27, 2018 12:52 PM (QDnY+)

245 You'll see a move against early voting or at least a stand down from liberals if it becomes a negative in this election. They're only for it if the politics are advantageous

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 12:52 PM (lnWvV)

246 I went to grad school in Mississippi, and while the majority of the History faculty were more or less standard leftists (some more vocal than others), they were pretty sane overall. Even some that would go as far as to admit that they didn't believe all this global warming stuff, make a point of the fact that slavery has been around for millennia, or criticize Postmodernism as unproductive. Even the worst were never anywhere near as crazy as the ones we hear about on the news here.

I think that we just hear about the worst excesses, and that the majority of professors, even those in the liberal arts, aren't lunatics even if they do lean left as a regular thing. You will notice that the offenders are usually not in the more traditional liberal arts like history or philosophy, but in some sort of feminist or ethnic studies.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 12:52 PM (bZ7mE)

247 In a couple hundred gallon septic tank a little Rid-X might not work.

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 12:52 PM (T4oHT)

248 This is not academic rigor; it's academic rigor mortis.

They have gone from teaching Little Johnny how to think to teaching Little Johnny what to think to teaching Little Johnny not to think. Or else.

Like the Soviet Commissars who got dachas on the Black Sea, these edu-tators get Tuscany sabbaticals and tenure on someone else's dime. But at least the Soviets didn't charge tuition to their re-education camps.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 12:54 PM (Ndje9)

249 122
Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:13 PM (39g3+)

Is it a Golden Weasel?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 27, 2018 12:54 PM (EzXDh)

250 OK. Tree of Life. My mom went there her whole life til she married my dad. Still know a bunch of people who go there, family friends.

She's calling who she can from the airport on a layover, but we'll have to wait for a list of the dead and injured before we know anything for sure.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:54 PM (5aX2M)

251 You will notice that the offenders are usually not
in the more traditional liberal arts like history or philosophy, but in
some sort of feminist or ethnic studies.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 12:52 PM (bZ7mE)


What about Sociology?

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 12:54 PM (OMsf+)

252 Prayers, YD.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 12:55 PM (PUmDY)

253 This is the atmosphere of Paris in 1782. Or Beijing in 19-- well basically the entire first half of the 20th century. They intentionally make argument impossible, so that the only recourse becomes violence. And it fucking terrifies me.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 12:42 PM (BRvh1)


I know the feeling. The left are now able to will themselves to believe anything and rationalize using any means. Very scary.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 12:56 PM (/qEW2)

254 Oh geez, I'm sorry to hear that, YD.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 12:56 PM (sdi6R)

255 Breaking news: the caravan has disappeared, leaving only a huge pinata at the border fence as a gift to the USA.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:13 PM (39g3+)


Beware Mexicans bearing gifts.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at October 27, 2018 12:57 PM (T71PA)

256 The left are now able to will themselves to believe anything and rationalize using any means.

OH yeah. No question. They beleive that the Scalise shooting never happened, that Antifa never uses violence, and that the Republicans stopped every judge Obama nominated. They believe whatever crazy crap they choose to, now. Its not even given support of argument, they are just inventing their own reality.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 12:57 PM (39g3+)

257 Continued Prayers, YD.

Posted by: Surfperch at October 27, 2018 12:58 PM (2m1vT)

258 What about Sociology?
Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 12:54 PM (OMsf+)


I remember the last sane anthro prof I ever met. He lived with and studied the Aka pygmies in the Congo.

He also had stories about guinea worm and hunting with nets

Posted by: Kindltot at October 27, 2018 12:58 PM (mUa7G)

259 Squirrel Hill is the heart of Pittsburgh Jewry. This fuck stick knew to hit where it hurts.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:58 PM (5aX2M)

260 They question nothing.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 12:59 PM (PUmDY)

261 and rationalize using any means. Very scary.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 12:56 PM (/qEW2)

In many cases, they don't even bother with the rationalizing anymore. They simply repeat what they're told to say by newsreaders and stand-up comics, no matter how little sense it makes, like a cult, and when you disagree, they simply start shouting incoherently at you.

These are otherwise good people. Not generally given to lunacy, or even caring about politics all. Friends, in many cases. Like I said, it's terrifying.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 12:59 PM (BRvh1)

262 What about Sociology?

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 12:54 PM (OMsf+)


I never had any interaction with sociologists in grad school, but I'd lump them with the crazies overall based on other experiences. Not sure about anthropology.

It looks to me that the newer the discipline, the crazier it is likely to be.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 12:59 PM (bZ7mE)

263 I should remind everyone that Neo Nazis have more in common with the Left, the main stream of the democrtatic paerty, than Republicans

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:59 PM (Fh8wK)

264 Timeo Mexicanaos et dona feretes.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at October 27, 2018 01:00 PM (bZ76Y)

265 Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 12:54 PM

That is terrifying. Keep us posted.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at October 27, 2018 01:00 PM (BVQ+1)

266 They question nothing.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 12:59 PM (PUmDY)


"Questions are burden for others.
Answers are a prison for oneself."

Posted by: Kindltot at October 27, 2018 01:00 PM (mUa7G)

267 Thanks for the prayers, Horde!!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 01:00 PM (5aX2M)

268

Prayers up, YD.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2018 01:00 PM (HaL55)

269 But.....

He was a NeverTrumper!

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 12:47 PM (Ri0Ku)

.....

Don't get me wrong, it could have been Trump's Chief of Staff and in the real world of reality, that still wouldn't make it Trump's fault.

But in make believe media world, the causation will always be attributed to anything that can be loosely associated with conservatism. We know they will not be attributing it to NeverTrumpism and Cap'n Kristol.

Instead it will be parsed out that the right is full of Nazis that shoot up church.

Hell, for that matter, had the shooter been Abdul Muhammad Muhammad al-Muhammad, the narrative still would have been "Climate of hate + guns".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM (zJZZl)

270 "Ferentes." Sheesh. Stupid Kindle.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM (bZ76Y)

271 263 I should remind everyone that Neo Nazis have more in common with the Left, the main stream of the democrtatic paerty, than Republicans
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:59 PM (Fh8wK)

I DO remind everyone of that.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM (BRvh1)

272 Gardening thread is up. Or stay here for other news or issues.

Maybe say a prayer.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM (BVQ+1)

273 And here we go....

#1 "thing you should know about the shooting"

He used an AR-15

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM (hgUZZ)

274 The rot goes a lot further than just a couple of disciplines. Truth is, just like too many go to college who shouldn't, there are too many professors. Real scholarship is hard work and the number who are working hard and creating meaningful scholarship that will be referenced a generation from now is de minimis. Same is true of law schools.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM (H5knJ)

275 narrative still would have been "Climate of hate + guns".
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM (zJZZl)

In that case, the narrative would have been, "synagogue? what synagogue?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 01:02 PM (BRvh1)

276 150 ---Not much similarity between the present situation of the West and the situation immediately prior to the dissolution of the Western Roman Empire ......Exactly the opposite of our situation, in which our "elite" denigrates our own culture and elevates that of others.....

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 12:22 PM (bZ7mE)
--------------------------
THIS.
The key difference between our age and former decadent ones is that the others KNEW they were decadent. They looked back to "golden" ages in the past and recognized their own inferiority in terms of intellect, art, public morals, honor, courage, etc.

Our ruling class, OTOH, considers itself at the height of human righteousness and achievement and looks with contempt upon even the greatest men of the past.

(Do they really believe this? Yes. But .... some might say that the aggressive hatred of the past is partly, or even mostly, motivated by a gnawing sense of inferiority among many of our "best and brightest.")

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 27, 2018 01:02 PM (Rxduq)

277 We know they will not be attributing it to NeverTrumpism and Cap'n Kristol.

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THE SHOOTER LITERALLY WAS A NEVERTRUMPER

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at October 27, 2018 01:03 PM (ykYG2)

278 You will notice that the offenders are usually not in the more traditional liberal arts like history or philosophy, but in some sort of feminist or ethnic studies.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 12:52 PM (bZ7mE)


Philosophy at least has some rigor since it is heavily reliant on logic (the dreaded "white logic" mentioned in the OP) so I imagine it's protected from the worst excesses of the kind of nonsense listed there. You can't have indigenous philosophy since they never formalized the laws of logic the way Aristotle did.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 01:04 PM (/qEW2)

279 Even if the rot isn't in all disciplines (it is to some degree at least, but not as bad in some areas)... the rot is at the head. The administration is shot through with leftist crazy. That's where those Title IX tribunals come from, where the hirings and firings come from, etc. Your favorite class might not be taught by a raving lunatic, but the dean probably is.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:04 PM (39g3+)

280 Instead it will be parsed out that the right is full of Nazis that shoot up church.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM

~~~~~

^^^ Very true. (I was just being sarcastic with the NeverTrump stuff, but he really was a NeverTrumper.)

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 01:04 PM (Ri0Ku)

281

I should remind everyone that Neo Nazis have more in common with the
Left, the main stream of the democrtatic paerty, than Republicans


They're National Socialists because that's what they call themselves and always have called themselves.
They're way out there in Leftist fringe territory.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2018 01:04 PM (HaL55)

282 I should remind everyone that Neo Nazis have more in common with the Left, the main stream of the democrtatic paerty, than Republicans

The anti-nazi movie "The Green Room" did enough research on that topic to make that point up front.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at October 27, 2018 01:05 PM (ykYG2)

283 Is it any coincidence that this shooting occurred after Obama called out Trump?

(that's how this works, right?)

Posted by: Moron Robbie and his Beach Friends at October 27, 2018 01:05 PM (dSP36)

284 off sock!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 01:05 PM (ykYG2)

285 Philosophy at least has some rigor since it is heavily reliant on logic (the dreaded "white logic" mentioned in the OP) so I imagine it's protected from the worst excesses of the kind of nonsense listed there.

That kinda fell apart in the 20th century. The further philosophy got away from God, the crazier it got.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:05 PM (39g3+)

286 Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 01:04 PM (Ri0Ku)

.....

I though I recognized a sarcastic exclamation point.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 27, 2018 01:08 PM (zJZZl)

287 Heh. I was in engineering school 30 years ago. Im a geezer.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 27, 2018 12:38 PM (Rt8Uf)

I graduated from engineering school more than 40 years ago. I'm an archaeological artifact. Show me some respect, k?

Posted by: CyberCipher at October 27, 2018 01:08 PM (p6WoB)

288 "Is it racist if I say we're heading for a new Dark Age?
Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 11:36 AM (sdi6R)"


Probably, if you asked an academic.

But I have long thought that a nice feudal Dark Age is exactly what they are trying for. To some extent they are succeeding, too.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at October 27, 2018 01:09 PM (QAdJD)

289 (Do they really believe this? Yes. But .... some might say that the aggressive hatred of the past is partly, or even mostly, motivated by a gnawing sense of inferiority among many of our "best and brightest.")
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 27, 2018 01:02 PM (Rxduq)

I think a lot of it comes from a form of being "too clever by half". It is simply accepted as a rule of Nature that any real scholarship must be dense and obtuse. Clarity in writing (and therefore clarity of though) has given way to intentionally meaningless word salad. And this drive to celebrate meaninglessness has itself turned into a drive to destroy meaning.

Carrying this principle over into politics: "True" political virtue, following the very same arc, has simply become the impulse to destroy. Like Chesterton's Fence in reverse. I don't care why that fence is there or who put it up, it simply must be destroyed in the name of virtue, because it exists and I was not the one who built it, and if you don't understand why that is so then you are simply insufficiently advanced. Or, "woke", as some would say.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 01:09 PM (BRvh1)

290 271 263 I should remind everyone that Neo Nazis have more in common with the Left, the main stream of the democrtatic paerty, than Republicans
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 12:59 PM (Fh8wK)

I DO remind everyone of that.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM (BRvh1)


I've linked it before, but this is an excellent explanation of the left-right political spectrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 01:09 PM (sdi6R)

291 I am not aware of any cases currently making their way to SCOTUS. But their rulings going back the last few years have generally pushed back some of the efforts related to expanding absentee and early voting. See some of the rulings in Ohio, Iowa and Wisconsin.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 27, 2018 01:10 PM (lnWvV)

292 Is it bad form to post non gardening posts in gardening thread?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 01:11 PM (PUmDY)

293 Police have confirmed to FOX News that Robert Bowers is indeed the suspect i custody.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 01:12 PM (Ri0Ku)

294 I started elementary school blocks away from where you spoke tonight. Detroit, my home, is still the most segregated city in the nation. I'll work with ANYONE to change that. With all due respect sir, Stabenow's had 43 yrs to fix this. I'm only asking voters for 6.


John James' answer to Barack Obama who was in Detroit trying to shore up support for Debbie Stabenow.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 01:12 PM (AllCR)

295 #282 And who says professional athletes are uncultured!

Posted by: andycanuck at October 27, 2018 01:13 PM (Evws/)

296 Anything the left pushes in terms of elections is bad and should be opposed and if ever implemented, reversed. They were the ones that pushed for electronic voting, absentee balloting, early voting, no voter ID, and oppose cleaning voter rolls.

For... reasons.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:13 PM (39g3+)

297 Yudhishthira's Dice:

Here's the number to call for information:

412-432-4400

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 01:14 PM (Ri0Ku)

298 PJ Harvey "down by the water" is a song about fishies. I think. I mean, there's fishies in it.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at October 27, 2018 01:16 PM (lXZ2r)

299

That kinda fell apart in the 20th century. The further philosophy got away from God, the crazier it got.
Until nowadays where we have some influential people who actually believe in Postmodernism where there are no rules for anything. Pretty much the polar opposite of Heavenly Order, IMHO.

This belief is insanity posing as academic rigor. OTOH, I can't think of a better way to identify the truly crazed than for them to agree with an idea that's so far out in left field, it would've gotten you laughed out of the bar not long ago. So there's that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2018 01:17 PM (HaL55)

300 Has this synagogue mass shooting been blamed on Trump yet?

Posted by: josephistan at October 27, 2018 01:18 PM (Izzlo)

301 You can't objectify NPC's - where a Normal would have their gender, an NPC just has a smooth surface.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at October 27, 2018 01:18 PM (QAdJD)

302 Post-modern academic jargon is just the university version of a used-car salesman talking about the helio-torque thrust intensifier. It's meant to hide the fraud. And the fraud is teaching politics and calling it "education".


Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 01:18 PM (Ndje9)

303 Post Modernism only seems logical and reasonable as a response to modernism. Viewed on its own or in a larger context of premodernism, it turns absolutely silly. Its a reaction to the flaws and nonsense of the previous movement, but in the end, its even worse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:19 PM (39g3+)

304 Is it any coincidence that this shooting occurred after Obama called out Trump?

(that's how this works, right?)

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Dude, it's a one way street.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 01:19 PM (+y/Ru)

305 Pittsburgh synagogue shooting now a Federal hate crime. Fibbies taking over investigation, with assistance from locals.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 27, 2018 01:21 PM (MwFQu)

306 Has this synagogue mass shooting been blamed on Trump yet?
Posted by: josephistan at October 27, 2018 01:18 PM (Izzlo)

On FB it has. And no doubt the left is ginning up the hate as we speak

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 01:21 PM (Fh8wK)

307 Has this synagogue mass shooting been blamed on Trump yet?

You decide:

And a word to my fellow American Jews: This president makes this possible. Here. Where you live. I hope the embassy move over there, where you don't live was worth it.
--@juliaioffe


Full disclosure, I have no clue who this woman is. I'm assuming its a woman. She has a blue check is all I know.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:21 PM (39g3+)

308 296 Anything the left pushes in terms of elections is bad and should be opposed and if ever implemented, reversed. They were the ones that pushed for electronic voting, absentee balloting, early voting, no voter ID, and oppose cleaning voter rolls.

For... reasons.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:13 PM (39g3+)


Don't forget Motor Voter, which was a huge enabler of fraud. I suspect that has led to multiple registrations of people who are already registered.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 01:21 PM (sdi6R)

309 "Is it bad form to post non gardening posts in gardening thread?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 01:11 PM (PUmDY)"

Yes. That's why the Garden Thread always has The Thread Below The Garden Thread. Only time that happens around here, though.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at October 27, 2018 01:22 PM (QAdJD)

310 "indigenous knowledge," aka "bullshit."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 27, 2018 01:22 PM (YqDXo)

311 Somewhat related, scenes from Cape Town's decolonised academia, where "science people" are scolded for "disrespecting progressive space" - specifically, for doubting the claim that Africans can throw lightning at their enemies

This ability should solve their energy generation needs.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 27, 2018 01:23 PM (YqDXo)

312 Steeler's Wheel Star is an excellent song

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 27, 2018 01:23 PM (PUmDY)

313 And a word to my fellow American Jews: This president makes this possible. Here. Where you live. I hope the embassy move over there, where you don't live was worth it.
--@juliaioffe

-
So if we just bow down to Islam everything will be peachy?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 01:23 PM (+y/Ru)

314 The rot goes a lot further than just a couple of disciplines. Truth is, just like too many go to college who shouldn't, there are too many professors. Real scholarship is hard work and the number who are working hard and creating meaningful scholarship that will be referenced a generation from now is de minimis. Same is true of law schools.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 27, 2018 01:01 PM (H5knJ)


Sure. The REAL problem is that Western culture, during the Enlightenment, elevated science as superior to all other forms of knowledge, and then Darwin came along and, by postulating random mutations as the source of the human mind, made it impossible to claim that rationality and logic can be assumed to be anything but an illusion. STEM has proven the be more resistant than the liberal arts to the implications of that shift in worldview, largely I suspect because folks in those disciplines tend to look at "stuff" and don't sit around asking themselves how their own mind works. Liberal arts folks, particularly philosophers, do, so they have taken the implications of Darwin and run with it far further than the science folks have so far.

What we are seeing now is the point where an intellectual revolution that occurred 150 years ago has finally reached the point where average people, including scientists, have internalized it and acting accordingly. I do think that pretty much everything from New Age religions to the eroding of scientific standards can be traced back to this.

As I keep saying, the Left might actually be, at their foundation, more coherent in their beliefs than we are. that is why it is going to persist, despite all the misery it inflicts on everyone - short of a new theory of human origins that allows us to presuppose human logic and reason as real and objective or a systematic destruction of the reputation of science as a source of knowledge, we don't have anything to replace the core beliefs behind it. Of course, the Leftists are kind of doing last option for us...

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 01:24 PM (bZ7mE)

315 according to Gab screenshots poasted at TGP, the shooter hates Jews AND Trump, and thinks he's controlled by them...

the MFM's gonna have a helluva a time spinning *that* news, so i predict it will just be buried.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 27, 2018 01:24 PM (kRSP9)

316 Here's the number to call for information:

412-432-4400
Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 01:14 PM (Ri0Ku)

------

TY. Forwarding to mom, she knows the most people at Tree of life. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 01:24 PM (5aX2M)

317 This president makes this possible.

DJT has power over every decision any man makes, even if that man is #nevertrump? Verily is he the God Emperor.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 01:24 PM (ykYG2)

318 "I've been doing what I can this semester as a US history instructor at Mizzou; I've said nice things about George Washington and federalism and described slavery and Indian policy as economic realities, not "evil white men being evil!""

And you still have your job? Seriously, though, I gotta hand it to you.

Posted by: Secret Square at October 27, 2018 01:24 PM (9WuX0)

319 WE have to remember that, to the media, it matters not a whit whether this Bowers scumbag was an actual Trump supporter or a rabid #NeverTrumper. Nope, this is "Trump's America" and it's HE and his supporters who created this atmosphere of hatred, this tense environment where violence is allowed to flourish, so it doesn't matter whether the violence is committed by a Nazi, a Commie, a Muslim or just a garden variety nutjob--it's ALL on Trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 01:25 PM (NFEMn)

320 The worrisome thing: this kind of academic nonsense is now trying - with some success - to infect the STEM subjects.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 27, 2018 01:25 PM (YqDXo)

321 Heh. I was in engineering school 30 years ago. Im a geezer.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 27, 2018 12:38 PM (Rt8Uf)

I graduated from engineering school more than 40 years ago. I'm an archaeological artifact. Show me some respect, k?
Posted by: CyberCipher at October 27, 2018 01:08 PM (p6WoB)


Wow!
Did you get to meet the guy that invented canals?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 27, 2018 01:25 PM (1g7ch)

322 And a word to my fellow American Jews: This president makes this possible. Here. Where you live. I hope the embassy move over there, where you don't live was worth it.
--@juliaioffe

Another left wing Jew who wants us Jews to act like we stilled lived in the Shtetel and we have to keep silent so as not to antagonize our gentile neighbors. Hey Julie, go fuck your self

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 01:26 PM (Fh8wK)

323 Don't know who Joffe is either, but she sorta got fired by Politico for this tweet - her contract that was ending was ended faster, or something. Statement put out today by Politico (which is not to be taken seriously as a publication, obviously, regardless).


Posted by: rhomboid at October 27, 2018 01:26 PM (QDnY+)

324 CyberCipher taught me how to get a step pyramid to stand up on its own. Don't tease him

Posted by: Imhotep at October 27, 2018 01:27 PM (ykYG2)

325


"indigenous knowledge," aka "bullshit."

Sooo, this is the basis for our new, totes modern, very-latest-thing in medical treatment will be -

Old wives' tales. Superstition. Bleeding. Leeches. Phrenology. Humours. Vapors. Sacrifice.

Oh. Joy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2018 01:27 PM (HaL55)

326 And a word to my fellow American Jews: This president makes this possible. Here. Where you live. I hope the embassy move over there, where you don't live was worth it.
--@juliaioffe


Another illustration that it's impossible to reason someone out of a position they weren't reasoned into.

She was obviously anti-Trump before the shooting, so he's responsible for it somehow; facts be damned.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 01:28 PM (sdi6R)

327 --@juliaioffe
Full disclosure, I have no clue who this woman is. I'm assuming its a woman. She has a blue check is all I know.
~~~~~

She's a correspondent for GQ magazine.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 01:28 PM (Ri0Ku)

328 And a word to my fellow American Jews: This president makes this possible. Here. Where you live. I hope the embassy move over there, where you don't live was worth it.
--@juliaioffe

Full disclosure, I have no clue who this woman is. I'm assuming its a woman. She has a blue check is all I know.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:21 PM (39g3+

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Oh, no she didn't! Strong letter to Ms. Ioffe once I calm down. Where I don't live. Trump's fault. The gall.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 01:28 PM (5aX2M)

329 I never had any interaction with sociologists in
grad school, but I'd lump them with the crazies overall based on other
experiences. Not sure about anthropology.



It looks to me that the newer the discipline, the crazier it is likely to be.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 12:59 PM (bZ7mE)


Here's why I was asking: https://tinyurl.com/ybd8r69h

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 01:29 PM (OMsf+)

330
In a couple hundred gallon septic tank a little Rid-X might not work."Posted by: Skip

imo, if there is a food source (like toilet paper) ... then it only takes a little to "infect" and it will grow as needed. Not sure about the other enzymes or bacteria in Rid-x ... but I plan to add some to mine (I've ignored it for a decade) ... to eat the TP, and maybe more.

My system is unique, useful for some on rural property ... my kitchen, laundry, shower ... don't go through the septic ... empty into a field that absorbs it all easily. A separate gray water system could be useful for many places ... check your codes.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 27, 2018 01:29 PM (Cus5s)

331 THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING THING AS A "HATE CRIME".


That the Congress and legal profession and courts have, as on so many other issues, failed the country and abetted the evisceration of our unique superior civic culture by allowing this absurd concept to contaminate our laws, does not change anything.


Hate, or thought of any kind, is not a crime, cannot be. Ridiculous.


Posted by: rhomboid at October 27, 2018 01:30 PM (QDnY+)

332 And a word to my fellow American Jews: This
president makes this possible. Here. Where you live. I hope the embassy
move over there, where you don't live was worth it.

--@juliaioffe



Full disclosure, I have no clue who this woman is. I'm assuming its a woman. She has a blue check is all I know.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:21 PM (39g3+



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Oh, no she didn't! Strong letter to Ms. Ioffe once I calm down. Where I don't live. Trump's fault. The gall.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 01:28 PM (5aX2M)


I wonder if she realizes the irony of her (and libs in general) having more in common with the shooter than with conservatives, i.e., hates Trump *and* hates Israel.

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 01:30 PM (OMsf+)

333 At least the original indigenous knowledge was based on shared experience, trial and error, or a coherent belief system. What we get will just be a random hodge-podge of superstition and bits of advice disconnected from tradition.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 01:31 PM (bZ7mE)

334 How were Africans ever enslaved if they could simply zap their oppressors with lightning bolts?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 27, 2018 01:31 PM (aKsyK)

335 The Jews have never had a better friend than Trump

Posted by: It's me donna at October 27, 2018 01:32 PM (O2RFr)

336 That the Congress and legal profession and courts have, as on so many other issues, failed the country and abetted the evisceration of our unique superior civic culture by allowing this absurd concept to contaminate our laws, does not change anything.

Yeah its a modern blasphemy ruling, meant to allow the feds to get involved in local cases in order to create a special protected class.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:33 PM (39g3+)

337 How were Africans ever enslaved if they could simply zap their oppressors with lightning bolts?

They were enslaved by their African neighbors who had superior lightening bolt skills, and only afterwards sold to Whitey!

Oh, wait, can't say that....Hmmm. Let me get back to you.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 01:33 PM (bZ7mE)

338 Despite the wind and the rain the "Walk Away" march is still going on. God bless Brandon Straka and the rest of thesefolks. I walked away 10 years ago. I hope more will do it up until the election and after:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxe480BCWh0

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 01:33 PM (AllCR)

339 TX Voters Report Machines Changing Votes...

-
Linked on Drudge.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 01:34 PM (+y/Ru)

340 Oh, dear God.

They just reported that the shooting occurred during a baby-naming ceremony.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 01:34 PM (Ri0Ku)

341 --@juliaioffe
Full disclosure, I have no clue who this woman is. I'm assuming its a woman. She has a blue check is all I know.
~~~~~

She's a correspondent for GQ magazine.
Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 01:28 PM (Ri0Ku)

Also a NeverTrumper, from what I gather on Wikipedia.

Posted by: Surfperch at October 27, 2018 01:34 PM (2m1vT)

342 If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun.
- Obama, 2008 (ref: Factcheck and Snopes)


Robert Bowers went to fight
There was a bris scheduled

--> Obama told Bowers to bring a gun.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 27, 2018 01:34 PM (1g7ch)

343 Oh, no she didn't! Strong letter to Ms. Ioffe once I calm down. Where I don't live. Trump's fault. The gall.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 01:28 PM (5aX2M)

I doubt a letter, no matter how strongly worded, will have any impact on Ms. Ioffe's thinking. She and people like her are beyond reason.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 01:34 PM (NFEMn)

344 339 TX Voters Report Machines Changing Votes...

-
Linked on Drudge.

I'll take your word for it... I won't go to Drudge anymore

Posted by: It's me donna at October 27, 2018 01:35 PM (O2RFr)

345 Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 01:31 PM

They will be connected by postmodern theories and post-postmodern theories, with roots in Marxism. Otherwise disconnected and irrational. So much less valuable than the original.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at October 27, 2018 01:35 PM (BVQ+1)

346 Regarding this Ioffe clownshow, it's just as I alluded to earlier:

It doesn't have to make sense. You just have to be sufficiently angry when you say it.

1) Trump moves Israeli embassy
2) ...
3) Neo-Nazi shoots up a synagogue.

I mean, it's so obvious, Trumptard. Why do you hate science?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 01:35 PM (BRvh1)

347 BRB, gotta go check the steak.

Posted by: Bert G at October 27, 2018 01:35 PM (OMsf+)

348 The Jews have never had a better friend than Trump
Posted by: It's me donna at October 27, 2018 01:32 PM (O2RFr)


Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 01:35 PM (Fh8wK)

349 First take on the Pittsburgh shooter is that he was a very active GAB user. Oh well ain't that wonderful.

at least he had posted that he didn't vote for Trump and hated MAGA hats. But apparently because Trump was too much of an internationalist liberal for him.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 27, 2018 01:36 PM (V2Yro)

350 How were Africans ever enslaved if they could simply zap their oppressors with lightning bolts?

I've always had the same problem with Witches. If they're so powerful and dangerous and in league with Satan, how do a bunch of farmers capture and burn or drown them?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:37 PM (39g3+)

351 Hate, or thought of any kind, is not a crime, cannot be. Ridiculous.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 27, 2018 01:30 PM (QDnY+)

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This.

To the extent that crimes are motivated by abstract hatred of a group, I suppose it exists as a concept, but not a legal one. To that end, yes, the Holocaust was a hate crime. Legally, it was about ten million counts of murder for killing people who happened to be Jews, Roma, Catholics, retards, Jehovah's Witnesses and gays, in roughly that order.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 01:37 PM (5aX2M)

352
The 1999 Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting occurred on August 10, 1999, at around 10:50 a.m. PT, when white supremacist Buford O. Furrow, Jr. walked into the lobby of the North Valley Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills and opened fire with a semi-automatic weapon, firing 70 shots into the complex. The gunfire wounded five people: three children, a teenage counselor, and an office worker. Shortly thereafter, Furrow murdered a mail carrier, fled the state, and finally surrendered to authorities

Obvioulsy PDT's fault

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 01:37 PM (Fh8wK)

353
And a word to my fellow American Jews: This president makes this possible. Here. Where you live. I hope the embassy move over there, where you don't live was worth it.


Yes. Trump's son in law, daughter and grandson are Jewish but he wants to make attacks on Jews acceptable.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 01:38 PM (TAmPV)

354 Glenn Reynolds has been advocating a return to paper ballots for years, and he's not exactly a Luddite as far as technology is concerned.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 01:38 PM (sdi6R)

355 Fox News just cut away from an off the cuff interview with Trump in which he said the news coming in is much worse than was thought earlier in the morning.

They went to studio while he was speaking. I assume he has more information than most, and he seemed to be saying it's awful.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 27, 2018 01:38 PM (fuK7c)

356 Fox News just cut away from an off the cuff interview with Trump in which he said the news coming in is much worse than was thought earlier in the morning.

They went to studio while he was speaking. I assume he has more information than most, and he seemed to be saying it's awful.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 27, 2018 01:38 PM (fuK7c)

That was on tape said a while ago

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 01:39 PM (Fh8wK)

357
How were Africans ever enslaved if they could simply zap their oppressors with lightning bolts?


Because they have bad aim?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 01:39 PM (TAmPV)

358 I wouldn't completely discount the African claims. After all, I know how to throw out .38 caliber lightning from my hands. It even has thunder that goes along with it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 27, 2018 01:40 PM (V2Yro)

359 The Jews have never had a better friend than Trump
Posted by: It's me donna at October 27, 2018 01:32 PM (O2RFr)


Or a worse enemy than Jews like Ioffe.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 01:40 PM (mS+Df)

360 with the lightning bolt spell you are supposed to hold your hands vertically, not sideways

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 27, 2018 01:40 PM (ykYG2)

361
Dr. Fiamengo turned critical against The Left partly as a result of reactions at her university to 9/11. The linked videos may be long in some cases, but you can do other things while you listen.


I started listening to her at the time of the Christine Blasey-Ford travesties. She's not a fan of CB-F. She's definitely not a fan of intersectional femnysm.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 27, 2018 01:41 PM (pNxlR)

362 A fuller 'archive' of Bowers' gab.ai posts here screencapped before the wipe:

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/
1056208150670397446

Posted by: andycanuck at October 27, 2018 01:41 PM (Evws/)

363

Hate, or thought of any kind, is not a crime, cannot be. Ridiculous.

Like legal rights for animals (which I fully support BTW, just as soon as an animal signs the first contract on its own in full view of the public), it's a legal way to grow their market through the use of government force.
More billable hours, baby. That's where it's at.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2018 01:41 PM (HaL55)

364 Why bother with all this "ballot" nonsense, paper, plastic or otherwise?

I mean, all we have to do is declare ourselves to be right by fiat, smash a couple three heads in with bike locks, and immediately begin wielding supreme executive authority. Because we're right.

Right?

Posted by: Warai-otoko is angling for a job at a leftist "think tank" at October 27, 2018 01:42 PM (BRvh1)

365 Or a worse enemy than Jews like Ioffe.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 01:40 PM (mS+Df)

No unfortunetaly our history is filled with treacherous assholes like Ioffe. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 27, 2018 01:42 PM (Fh8wK)

366 I really detest Leftist

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 01:42 PM (T4oHT)

367 They went to studio while he was speaking. I assume he has more information than most, and he seemed to be saying it's awful.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 27, 2018 01:38 PM
~~~~~

Just heard it reported that it happened during a baby-naming ceremony. Praying that the baby and parents are safe. Regardless, I wouldn't doubt that family members are among the victims. This is so horrific.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 27, 2018 01:43 PM (Ri0Ku)

368 Does gab.ai save the posts for law enforcement to read, even though they're blocked to the public?

I'm sure Twitter simply disappears anything that is politically inconvenient.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 01:43 PM (sdi6R)

369 Or a worse enemy than Jews like Ioffe.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 01:40 PM (mS+Df)

Pro Life Tip:

She thinks George Soros is groovy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 01:43 PM (BRvh1)

370 I've always had the same problem with Witches. If they're so powerful and dangerous and in league with Satan, how do a bunch of farmers capture and burn or drown them?

They rely on secrecy and indirect methods to work harm, and tend to die pretty easily when confronted with brute force, I guess. Kind of like a master spy confronted with a tank rolling through his front door.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 01:43 PM (bZ7mE)

371 Because they have bad aim?

Wait, all the storm troopers were black, not just new Star Wars guy?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:44 PM (39g3+)

372 They rely on secrecy and indirect methods to work harm, and tend to die pretty easily when confronted with brute force, I guess. Kind of like a master spy confronted with a tank rolling through his front door.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 01:43 PM (bZ7mE)

Somebody's been playing Stratego, haven't they?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 01:45 PM (BRvh1)

373 To that end, yes, the Holocaust was a hate crime. Legally, it was about ten million counts of murder for killing people who happened to be Jews, Roma, Catholics, retards, Jehovah's Witnesses and gays, in roughly that order.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 01:37 PM (5aX2M)


Jehovah's Witnesses tried to cozy up to Hitler, offering to help him out. Didn't turn out so well for them, did it?

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 01:45 PM (4HMW8)

374
I've always had the same problem with Witches. If they're so powerful and dangerous and in league with Satan, how do a bunch of farmers capture and burn or drown them?

Not to mention a scarecrow with a bucket of water

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 01:46 PM (TAmPV)

375 373
Jehovah's Witnesses tried to cozy up to Hitler, offering to help him out. Didn't turn out so well for them, did it?
Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 01:45 PM (4HMW


Really? I never heard about that.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 01:47 PM (sdi6R)

376 Like legal rights for animals (which I fully support BTW, just as soon as an animal signs the first contract on its own in full view of the public), it's a legal way to grow their market through the use of government force.
More billable hours, baby. That's where it's at."

Bingo! Every time that idea comes up I always have to grin at how so many people don't realize that it's just a ploy by undermployed lawyers to create a whole new class of clients who will "authorize" them to launch a vast new wave of lawsuits, and who, even better, get a huge class of new clients who can never contest their fees, never disagree with them, and never fire them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 27, 2018 01:48 PM (V2Yro)

377 Wondered up above and earlier if LE get any social media or do the Leftist overlords who run it hide it away when inconvenient to the narrative?

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 01:50 PM (T4oHT)

378 No, I don't wear a tinfoil hat. Well, maybe on Saturdays. Yet, I've sort of been expecting more of these types of tragedies leading up to the election. It's certainly way more likely that this was the act of a delusional sub-human piece of garbage but given the events that have transpired in the past few months, I put nothing past the left. Nothing. They are all in on the putsch to destroy this country. Of that I have no doubts.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 27, 2018 01:51 PM (Tyii7)

379 Kindltot at October 27, 2018 12:15 PM (mUa7G)

Better yet, build a yuuuge bonfire under it and light the fire.

Posted by: Grannymimi at October 27, 2018 01:51 PM (u5LFV)

380 I've always had the same problem with Witches. If they're so powerful
and dangerous and in league with Satan, how do a bunch of farmers
capture and burn or drown them?
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If you've used all of your level 7 spells for the day you need a full nights rest before you can memorize a new set.

Posted by: Methos at October 27, 2018 01:51 PM (CPS8G)

381 Legally, it was about ten million counts of murder for killing people who happened to be Jews, Roma, Catholics, retards, Jehovah's Witnesses and gays, in roughly that order.

And Slavs. Hitler did not like Slavs at all, he planned to strip their culture and learning down to nothing and use them as slave labor

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:52 PM (39g3+)

382 Jewish Virtual Library

Jehovah's Witnesses in the Holocaust:

https://tinyurl.com/y8xwf9qy

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 01:53 PM (AllCR)

383 Jehovah's Witnesses tried to cozy up to Hitler, offering to help him out. Didn't turn out so well for them, did it?

"Worked great for us"
--Bosnian Muslims

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:53 PM (39g3+)

384 I've often wondered how accurate our picture of the medieval attitude toward witchcraft is.

Most of what the average westerner thinks about it is gleaned from Arthur Miller and Monty Python.

Also, how similar was the european attitude to attitudes around the world?

Most southern hemisphere cultures to this very day still attribute everyday occurrences to some form of what we would derisively call "witchcraft", or what they would call "how shit happens normally".

I don't know. I just have this reflexive instinct now to look at any "narrative" i'm supposed to automatically believe in as suspect. Especially when that narrative is purpose built to denigrate a major force for civilization. (The medieval Christian Church. The Founders. The Crusades. Teh Joos. Etc.)


Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 01:54 PM (BRvh1)

385 Really? I never heard about that.
Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 01:47 PM (sdi6R)

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They tried to take a see-no-evil, do-no-evil, neither-endorse-or-condemn approach to the Reich. They were immediately proscribed and sent to the camps. Endorsement was a pre-requisite. Other Christians took the lesson, or they got on the train.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 01:54 PM (5aX2M)

386 I looked at Julia Ioffe's twitter feed, and she explicitly equates opposition to globalism with anti-Semitism.

https://twitter.com/juliaioffe

Welp. Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree there.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 01:54 PM (sdi6R)

387 Okay, on that one guy's Twitter thread where he has the shooter's stuff archived, some obtuse person is arguing that a shooter post criticizing people who voted for Trump because he was better than Hillary means the shooter was a Trump supporter.

This is why we can't reason with these people. They are beyond logic.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 01:55 PM (4HMW8)

388 This will be controversial for many here, but I see a great political opportunity for Trump here, in that he and Sessions can quickly organize a legal/investigative to task force to identify and round up any of those who sympathized with Robert Bowers on GAB. A real Leader always gets credit for liquidating the violent fringe, especially when it's a fringe his political opponents hate as well. And it would set up a useful precedent for liquidating Antifa in a couple of years.

well I guess this is why you really don't want people like me running things. Even I know enough that I don't want people who think like me running things. I'd be a tyrant if I ever got the chance, I know it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 27, 2018 01:55 PM (V2Yro)

389 Markos Moulitsas
@markos
Yup. "Nationalism" and "globalism" are all code words for antisemitism.

Stephen Wolf
@PoliticsWolf
Hate crimes against Jews have soared to the highest level in decades under Trump. White nationalism and anti-Semitism go hand in hand

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I thought nationalism and globalism were opposites but they both mean hate the Jews. You know, like "chocolate chip cookie".

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 01:56 PM (+y/Ru)

390 Jehovah Witnesses got sent to concentration camps

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 01:56 PM (T4oHT)

391 I have precisely zero interest in what people who actually hate Jews think about my attitude towards Jews.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 01:57 PM (BRvh1)

392 Welp. Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree there.
Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 01:54 PM (sdi6R)


Understatement of the day candidate right here.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 01:57 PM (mS+Df)

393 Most of what the average westerner thinks about it is gleaned from Arthur Miller and Monty Python.

Aside from short bursts over a few centuries, witches were part of life. You'd go to the local old woman in the forest for abortions, to get curses removed, medicines, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:57 PM (39g3+)

394 And Slavs. Hitler did not like Slavs at all, he planned to strip their culture and learning down to nothing and use them as slave labor
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:52 PM (39g3+)

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Of course. No doubt! But I always lump those murders into a separate category, as they were committed by police and military units, as opposed to the organized Holocaust. It adds millions more murders though, and they're all the same in the end.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 01:58 PM (5aX2M)

395 Has Julia Ioffe been saying hateful, disgusting things again? Was her claim of Trump incest not enough? She has doubled down?

What a horrible person she is. How does the Atlantic justify employing her, I wonder.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee times three at October 27, 2018 01:58 PM (Z216Q)

396 she explicitly equates opposition to globalism with anti-Semitism.

Yeah there are a few loud crazy blue check lefties out there yelling that. Mostly Jews, too

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:59 PM (39g3+)

397 Via David Thompson

Woman on Rubin Report explains the pent-up joy in her university on the morning of 9/11.

https://youtu.be/upBP2UYyRZU?t=1015

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 27, 2018 02:00 PM (rnAwa)

398 I see Schiff and Jarrett have both already weighed in on this shooting and are blaming the NRA...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 27, 2018 02:01 PM (O2RFr)

399 The question that needs to be asked is if mass shootings are as a result of political climate.

If so, was Obama's political climate responsible fir every mass shooting that occurred during his reign?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 27, 2018 02:02 PM (EZX4Q)

400 she explicitly equates opposition to globalism with anti-Semitism.

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Late to the party. The NeverTrumper globalistas on the Right have been employing that smear since 2015. Especially Allahpundit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 02:03 PM (5aX2M)

401 I'm always amused at the jack o'lanterns that look like they're vomiting up pumpkin innards.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:03 PM (0NAbP)

402 396 she explicitly equates opposition to globalism with anti-Semitism.

Yeah there are a few loud crazy blue check lefties out there yelling that. Mostly Jews, too
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 01:59 PM (39g3+)


They really wanna take that side?

*types*
*deletes*

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 02:03 PM (sdi6R)

403 So, the Pitt shooter is a Nazi Jew hater that also hates Trump.

Interesting.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (r9UYA)

404 I'm always amused at the jack o'lanterns that look like they're vomiting up pumpkin innards.

How sick do you have to get to puke up your own innards?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (39g3+)

405 Dangit. Sorry. At least it wasn't one of the old banhammer tabs I've got open.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (0NAbP)

406 401 I'm always amused at the jack o'lanterns that look like they're vomiting up pumpkin innards.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:03 PM (0NAbP)


Yes, me too.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (sdi6R)

407 The problem with figuring out what constituted "witches" in the middle ages was that it became such a catch-all for getting rid of people you didn't like. For example, if an older woman had inherited land and lived on it by herself, other family having died, the people living next to her, who wanted her land, would claim she was a "witch!!" and kill her so they could take it, and claim that anyone who stood up for her must be a witch too, so that they could get away with it.

Also the RC Church did a lot of this - if the local Bishop had a problem with people drifting away from Orthodoxy and not sending in the proper "contributions" to Rome, he could announce Witchery was afoot to get everyone back in line. (or to whip up an army to go kill them all, which happened with the Cathars in southern France)

Far, far more people were killed for being "witches" then ever actually claimed or pretended to be anything like that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (V2Yro)

408 Has Julia Ioffe been saying hateful, disgusting things again? Was her claim of Trump incest not enough? She has doubled down?
Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee times three at October 27, 2018 01:58 PM (Z216Q)


1. Trump moves embassy to the political, spiritual, and historical capital of Israel
2. Middle east explodes into an inferno of Jew-hating outrage not seen since *checks watch* ten minutes prior
3. Five months later, on the other side of the world, some asshole who hates Jews and Trump murders people attending a bris in Pittsburgh
4. Somehow this is my fault

If anyone's having trouble following her logic, try huffing Krylon for a few hours first.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (mS+Df)

409 The NRA wants the Jews in that synagogue to be armed, to defend themselves.

Those Jews were presumably not armed, and therefore couldn't defend themselves.

So please, please, in the best approximation of a cogent statement you can muster, you disgusting, brainwashed, ignorant, fatuous bastards, please explain to me how the NRA is at fault here in any way, shape or form.

?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (BRvh1)

410
So, the Pitt shooter is a Nazi Jew hater that also hates Trump.



Just another day in Trump's America.

-SE CU**

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at October 27, 2018 02:06 PM (FB54r)

411 If anyone's having trouble following her logic, try huffing Krylon for a few hours first.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (mS+Df)

For best results, tell them to hold the can right-side-up.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 02:06 PM (BRvh1)

412 And that friend to Jews-Linda Sarsour weighed in:

Whomever did this is a monster. Our places of worship should be sanctuaries. We should all be free and safe to practice our faith in this country without fear of being targeted.

Nice idea, Linda. But you're a big buddy to Louis Farrakhan.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:06 PM (AllCR)

413 Those Jews were presumably not armed, and therefore couldn't defend themselves.

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In my synagogue, too. I left the gun at home for services, but no mas. Presume away, you Nazis and Moslems. It's the mother of all something-or-other.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 02:08 PM (5aX2M)

414 I was just searching for more info on Google, and I found that a very respectable and accomplished local M.D. is named Robert Bowers. poor guy.

oh well one of my brothers in law has always laughed about having the same name as the Birdman of Alcatraz. Even dressed up as him for a few halloween parties, and he would say he was going as himself.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 27, 2018 02:09 PM (V2Yro)

415

And that friend to Jews-Linda Sarsour weighed in:

Every bit of her bleating is taqiyya, also known as "lying to infidels" which they are ordered to do by their cult-masters.
It is forbidden for a muslim to pray for a non-muslim.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2018 02:10 PM (HaL55)

416 Far, far more people were killed for being "witches" then ever actually claimed or pretended to be anything like that.

Just ask Joan d'Arc

Or the Templars.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:10 PM (39g3+)

417 So does Pittsburgh cancel Florida?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 27, 2018 02:10 PM (bJUdo)

418
she explicitly equates opposition to globalism with anti-Semitism.


It's almost as if she doesn't know that the anti-capitalist that riot everytime there is an economic summit are all leftist who believe Jews control the world banking industry

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 02:11 PM (TAmPV)

419 Are they really trying to blame the NRA for the Pitt shooting? Really?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 27, 2018 02:11 PM (r9UYA)

420 If anyone's having trouble following her logic, try huffing Krylon for a few hours first.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (mS+Df)

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Ah, that makes more sense now. Thanks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:12 PM (0NAbP)

421 397
Woman on Rubin Report explains the pent-up joy in her university on the morning of 9/11.

https://youtu.be/upBP2UYyRZU?t=1015

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 27, 2018 02:00 PM (rnAwa)


Ooh, I like her.

She's quite MILFy, too.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 02:12 PM (sdi6R)

422 Linda Sarsour, a Muslim Brotherhood operative, can keep her disingenuous, fake sympathy.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 02:12 PM (5aX2M)

423 If only Israelis would agree to hand their country and fate over to the Arabs and Persians, Pittsburgh synagogues would be safe.

Posted by: Julia Ioffe, The Atlantic at October 27, 2018 02:12 PM (Z216Q)

424 Are they really trying to blame the NRA for the Pitt shooting? Really?

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I blame the Chinese. They invented gunpowder.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 27, 2018 02:14 PM (+y/Ru)

425 I've often wondered how accurate our picture of the medieval attitude toward witchcraft is.


The witchburning stuff was Early Modern era (16th and 17th century), not Medieval. Renaissance folks were VERY interested in magic, alchemy, and the like, and wrote extensively the subject - I did a paper on it in my senior year of college. Conversely, I've found very little on witchcraft, wizardry, or magic from the Medieval period, apart from an instance in which a Carolingian king tried to divorce his wife by accusing her of using witchcraft to conceive a child via sodomy with her brother - the nobles sitting in judgement laughed him out of court.

The interest in magic of all kinds during the Renaissance was part of the same frame of mind that produced modern science - both wizardry and science are both attempts to understand and manipulate the world around us. We consider one to be legitimate and one to be nonsense today largely because we assume a priori that the spiritual world either does not exist or is not amenable to manipulation, but in the Renaissance they made no so such distinction. Astrology and astronomy were joined at the hip, IIRC.

The medieval world was more concerned with maintaining order in the face of chaos rather than seeking out new frontiers of knowledge, so much less interest in , say, figuring out which crystals might help produce a homoculus.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 02:14 PM (bZ7mE)

426 419 Are they really trying to blame the NRA for the Pitt shooting? Really?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 27, 2018 02:11 PM (r9UYA)

- Visit Trump's twitter feed.
- Click on literally any tweet of his, no matter how innocuous.
- Begin reading all the replies, without skipping.
- Open a bottle of the strongest stuff you got in the house, take a good long pull of it, and try to imagine you don't live in a dying, failed, cesspool of a republic.
- Take a second swig, and lament the death of aristocracy and feudalism.
- Take a third swig, and start figuring out where the best place to put a canal in your area would be.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 02:14 PM (BRvh1)

427 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2018 02:10 PM (HaL55)


I was simply quoting her-not believing in her sympathy. Saying that she's a "friend to Jews" was sarcasm

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:15 PM (AllCR)

428 >>- Take a third swig, and start figuring out where the best place to put a canal in your area would be.



Posted by: Warai-otoko
LOL

Anywhere downwind would be acceptable.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 27, 2018 02:18 PM (r9UYA)

429 Holy Sidebar Movie Reviews!

Posted by: garrett at October 27, 2018 02:19 PM (bPon9)

430 Ace has lots of great twitter denunciations in the sidebar. Steamship Billys employees have been acting out on the twitter again.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee times three at October 27, 2018 02:19 PM (Z216Q)

431 The Leftist Media is all out of ideas....
screaming Trump!! all day long has lost its mojo.
They have become banal.

Posted by: kraken at October 27, 2018 02:19 PM (DpEis)

432 416 Far, far more people were killed for being "witches" then ever actually claimed or pretended to be anything like that.

Just ask Joan d'Arc

Or the Templars.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:10 PM (39g3+)

Its also true though that our modern conceptions of the era is flawed.

Like our conception of the Old West US, where everyone was a gambler or gunfighter...

One of the most famous shootouts ever, the Gunfight at the OK Coral, had less people killed than the were just killed into todays 'shootout'.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 27, 2018 02:20 PM (NgKpN)

433 If anyone's having trouble following her logic, try huffing Krylon for a few hours first.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 27, 2018 02:04 PM (mS+Df)

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Ah, that makes more sense now. Thanks.
Posted by: Moron Robbie



Choosie huffers choose gold colored Krylon.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 02:20 PM (LTE9d)

434 Our congregation is armed. We have annual sharp-shooter contests.

The ironic thing is the community culture that makes it seem wise the be armed in church is the same community culture that makes it unlikely that we will experience a mass shooting.

I was quite amused that when a friend and I participated in a school event, my friend asked permission to carry on campus and they granted it.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:20 PM (4HMW8)

435 No; I don't want to read Trump's twitter feed. I occasionally read his tweets. That is it.
And no, I don't want to imagine that I live in the dying, failed cesspool of a Republic-thanks all the same/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:21 PM (AllCR)

436 >> And that friend to Jews-Linda Sarsour weighed in:


Tell me more, clitless one.

Posted by: Hagia Sophia at October 27, 2018 02:21 PM (bPon9)

437 Look at it this way.... the Socialists can't talk their way out of the corner they are in. Cornered animals are dangerous.

Posted by: kraken at October 27, 2018 02:22 PM (DpEis)

438 Everytime there's a shooting they blame the NRA. Standard practice.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:22 PM (AllCR)

439 >> And that friend to Jews-Linda Sarsour weighed in:


I too, would love to hear more of your ideas on tolerance.

Posted by: The Temple Mount at October 27, 2018 02:22 PM (bPon9)

440 425
Astrology and astronomy were joined at the hip, IIRC.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 02:14 PM (bZ7mE)


Exactly so. They were one and the same until Kepler and Galileo in the early 1600s.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 02:23 PM (sdi6R)

441
Far, far more people were killed for being "witches" then ever actually claimed or pretended to be anything like that.

Accusations of witchcraft were mainly used to settle old scores

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at October 27, 2018 02:23 PM (TAmPV)

442 434. That would be the high school. We already have concealed carry rights on college campuses.

On the college campus, my concern is they switched out the "no open carry" warning sign to one that makes it appear there is no carry allowed at all. Hoping some carelessly-reading person does not mistake the sign for an indication that we are a target-rich environment.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:23 PM (4HMW8)

443 Don't get me wrong, I like the republican form of government and all, but the rotten bastards won't let us keep it. So if the whole damned thing is going to go kerplunk, kerplooey, anyway, then why not just smash the aforementioned rotten bastards into peasantry again and re-establish a violent, wealth hoarding aristocracy, and to hell with them.

in other words, why should we all stand idly by, pretending that isn't precisely what they are attempting to do to us, except with better marketing skills?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 02:24 PM (BRvh1)

444 And no, I don't want to imagine that I live in the dying, failed cesspool of a Republic-thanks all the same/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:21 PM (AllCR)

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Would it help if someone told you that the Republic you're thinking of has been dead for about 100 years?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:25 PM (0NAbP)

445 I too, would love to hear more of your ideas on tolerance.Posted by: The Temple Mount at October 27, 2018 02:22 PM (bPon9


If you're addressing me. I already explained that I was being sarcastic. That's why I put that Sarsour is a friend to Louis Farrakhan. Get it?? If you're addressing Sarsourfire way

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:26 PM (AllCR)

446 Possibly more, but po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:26 PM (0NAbP)

447 Don't mind me, i'm just in super-duper Eeyore mode today.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 02:26 PM (BRvh1)

448 401 I'm always amused at the jack o'lanterns that look like they're vomiting up pumpkin innards.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:03 PM (0NAbP)


Thanks for re-balancing the blog for me. I responded to a political post in the gardening thread. Now everything is all evened out.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:26 PM (4HMW8)

449 Look, until around the 1600s magic was not something people joked about, it was assumed. The Supernatural was simply part of reality, it was just as much a part of the public consciousness as science is today. Alchemy was a mix of chemistry and magic, medicine was the same way. Witches were just female magical types, sometimes people didn't like them (or blamed them for something bad) but they were just part of the world. And they generally weren't called "witches" either, they were wise women, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:27 PM (39g3+)

450 Its also true though that our modern conceptions of the era is flawed.

Like our conception of the Old West US, where everyone was a gambler or gunfighter...

One of the most famous shootouts ever, the Gunfight at the OK Coral, had less people killed than the were just killed into todays 'shootout'.
Posted by: Don Q


Iirc, wild Dodge City during Earp only had two killed.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 02:27 PM (LTE9d)

451 Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 02:24 PM (BRvh1)

They don't frame the debate this way, but...

We really are in a conflict between are we a Democracy, ie rule of the Mob, and tyranny of the majority.

Or are we a Republic with the rule of Law, and a Constitution.

Sadly, Democracy seems to be winning, as our own COURTS seems to side with it, over the simple written meaning held within the Constitution.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 27, 2018 02:28 PM (NgKpN)

452 444


Would it help if someone told you that the Republic you're thinking of has been dead for about 100 years?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:25 PM (0NAbP)

The Emperor Claudius dreamed of a restoration of the Roman Republic. He was poisoned with mushrooms, by his wife. And then, Nero.

If a Republic is lost, very hard to get it back. We have to stop our move towards Totalitarianism, right now.

Posted by: kraken at October 27, 2018 02:28 PM (DpEis)

453 442
On the college campus, my concern is they switched out the "no open carry" warning sign to one that makes it appear there is no carry allowed at all. Hoping some carelessly-reading person does not mistake the sign for an indication that we are a target-rich environment.
Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:23 PM (4HMW


They should switch to a sign showing a gun barrel pointing at the viewer with the caption, "Do you feel lucky, punk?"

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 02:28 PM (sdi6R)

454
Would it help if someone told you that the Republic you're thinking of has been dead for about 100 years?

Nobody knows what I'm thinking unless I tell them


To hell with this.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:28 PM (AllCR)

455 Would it help if someone told you that the Republic you're thinking of has been dead for about 100 years?
Posted by: Moron Robbie



Since 1865.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 27, 2018 02:29 PM (LTE9d)

456 The Dems sure are dangerous when they are cornered. We are going to have to stand firm and keep advancing no matter what they fling, no matter how ugly they get.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:29 PM (4HMW8)

457
Nobody knows what I'm thinking unless I tell them


To hell with this.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:28 PM (AllCR)

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In our defense, we are Morons.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:30 PM (0NAbP)

458 With regard to hate crimes...

I was listening to NPR yesterday, and they were commemorating the Mathew Shepard killing. If you listened to it with the ear of an editor, they used weasel wording that gets around any assertion that it was a hate crime, while strongly suggesting it to the casual listener. Twenty years on.

James Byrd was murdered that same year. An actual act of murder by bigots. Not one word about it these days.

I believe it's because Byrd's killers were brought swift and brutal justice by a Republican judge, jury and governor in TX.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 02:31 PM (5aX2M)

459 Fen, I think the responses were addressing Sarsour sarcastically also...

Posted by: April at October 27, 2018 02:31 PM (OX9vb)

460 I'm still banking that the genius and staying power of a certain document that was ratified on June 21st, 1788 will see us through. Call me a dreamer...

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 27, 2018 02:32 PM (Tyii7)

461 Fen, just want to remind you that your contributions here are treasured.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:32 PM (4HMW8)

462 Ah yes, Matthew Shepard, killed by his homosexual lover and his drug dealer buddies in a deal that went bad. Turned into a hate crime of anti-homosexual bigotry by a lying press and now he's getting things named after him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:35 PM (39g3+)

463 Drudge free link

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/413320-voters
-report-texas-voting-machines-changing-straight
-party-selections

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 27, 2018 02:35 PM (kRSP9)

464 And Shepard's ashes will be placed next week in the national cathedral. One of 20 important individuals to get the honor.

Posted by: NCKate at October 27, 2018 02:36 PM (0fd2I)

465 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 02:31 PM (5aX2M)

Did they also leave out the part where MS was killed by a couple of his sexual partners?

On a similar topic, there was an update yesterday on the "Planned Parenthood shooter" in Colorado Springs. The part of the story where the shooter had attempted to enter a bank and an optometrist's office and only entered the PP office in pursuit of one of his wounded victims is conveniently left out of the narrative.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:37 PM (4HMW8)

466 Ah yes, Matthew Shepard, killed by his homosexual lover and his drug
dealer buddies in a deal that went bad. Turned into a hate crime of
anti-homosexual bigotry by a lying press and now he's getting things
named after him.


The commies manufacture some pretty dubious "heroes", don't they?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 27, 2018 02:37 PM (Tyii7)

467 And Shepard's ashes will be placed next week in the national cathedral. One of 20 important individuals to get the honor.

Posted by: NCKate at October 27, 2018 02:36 PM (0fd2I)

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Holy crap.

I knew he was useful to The Cause, but dang. That's impressive.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:37 PM (0NAbP)

468 The Left was mad at Bush 'cos he didn't support a Hate Crimes Law for Byrd. But he wanted to give the killer the Death Penalty--which they opposed!

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 02:37 PM (Ndje9)

469 Nobody knows what I'm thinking unless I tell them





To hell with this.



Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:28 PM (AllCR)

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Ahem.

Posted by: G*d at October 27, 2018 02:38 PM (kRSP9)

470 Looks like it happened yesterday. So already done.

Posted by: NCKate at October 27, 2018 02:38 PM (0fd2I)

471 The thing about Hate Crimes is no one has ever explained to me what a love crime is.

Besides a Chelsea Handler video, I mean.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 02:39 PM (Ndje9)

472
Nobody knows what I'm thinking unless I tell them
Yes,yes, of course.

Posted by: Google at October 27, 2018 02:39 PM (TAmPV)

473 Pretty day here in Missouri....

Posted by: kraken at October 27, 2018 02:40 PM (DpEis)

474 The thing about Hate Crimes is no one has ever explained to me what a love crime is.

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I think that's the Chicago/Birmingham/Baltimore type.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:40 PM (0NAbP)

475 463 Drudge free link

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/413320-voters
-report-texas-voting-machines-changing-straight
-party-selections
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 27, 2018 02:35 PM (kRSP9)


I've heard of this happening in previous elections.

I never pull the straight party lever. I vote for each individual candidate. Whether that helps, I don't know.

Posted by: rickl at October 27, 2018 02:41 PM (sdi6R)

476 462 Ah yes, Matthew Shepard, killed by his homosexual lover and his drug dealer buddies in a deal that went bad. Turned into a hate crime of anti-homosexual bigotry by a lying press and now he's getting things named after him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:35 PM (39g3+)

All I had to do was shovel federal pork dollars into my state for several decades. Much cleaner deal.

Posted by: Robert Byrd (D-9th circle of Hell, Ret.) at October 27, 2018 02:41 PM (BRvh1)

477 Leftist rule #1 Never stray from the narrative even if it's a lie

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 02:42 PM (T4oHT)

478 474 The thing about Hate Crimes is no one has ever explained to me what a love crime is.
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I think that's the Chicago/Birmingham/Baltimore type.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 27, 2018 02:40 PM (0NAbP)

A hate crime is beating your husband in public.

A love crime is beating your husband off in public.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 02:42 PM (BRvh1)

479 Still could use that nap I talked about at 0530am

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 02:42 PM (T4oHT)

480 The thing about Hate Crimes is no one has ever explained to me what a love crime is.


Kate Upton and Phoebe Cates marrying other men than me, that's what a crime of Love is

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:43 PM (39g3+)

481 But he wanted to give the killer the Death Penalty--which they opposed!
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 02:37 PM (Ndje9)

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Two of them got it, and one got life w/o possibility, IIRC.

That crime made an impact on me as a kid, partly because of its utter brutality, and partly (in kind of a silly way) because the press photo of Byrd showed him in a Colorado Rockies hat. It's dumb, but that made it really connect for me.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 02:43 PM (5aX2M)

482 477 Leftist rule #1 Never stray from the narrative even if it's a lie
Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 02:42 PM (T4oHT)


True. Message adherance is hallmark of Marxism.

Posted by: kraken at October 27, 2018 02:43 PM (DpEis)

483 The thing about Hate Crimes is no one has ever explained to me what a love crime is.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 02:39 PM (Ndje9)


Breaking into the country illegally

Posted by: Jeb! at October 27, 2018 02:43 PM (UGKMd)

484
Leftist rule #1 Never stray from the narrative even if it's a lie


Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 02:42 PM (T4oHT)


You misspelled especially

Posted by: Google at October 27, 2018 02:44 PM (TAmPV)

485 I was up way too damned late last night watching the marathon World Series game. I gave up in the 16th inning

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:44 PM (39g3+)

486 >>The thing about Hate Crimes is no one has ever explained to me what a love crime is.


I think Diana Ross wrote a song about that.

Posted by: garrett at October 27, 2018 02:45 PM (bPon9)

487 @realDonaldTrump

#Walkaway Walkaway from the Democrat Party movement marches today in D.C. Congratulations to Brandon Straka for starting something very special.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 27, 2018 02:45 PM (rnAwa)

488 Two identical assaults. One is treated as less important because of motive? Not if its you're loved one.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 02:46 PM (Ndje9)

489 I'm at my Tennis club and they have a Halloween carnival for the kids. The superhero costumes they have these days are awesome. I'm laughing my ass off.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 27, 2018 02:46 PM (4VAdr)

490 I was living in Colorado Springs when we became the "Epicenter of Hate" in "The Hate State" by opposing preferential hiring for homosexuals. We preferred to not have to concern ourselves with the sex lives of employees. The preferential hiring would have required that employers prove they were hiring 10% homosexuals, at least, that's the percentage that was represented in the political ads. "Would you be so cold-hearted as to discriminate against one of these ten people?"

Anyway, the Anti-"hate" people said that there had been an uptick in hate crimes in ColoSp due to the amendment. There had been eight murders of homosexuals that year.

The police responded that out of the eight murders, seven of the perpetrators were known. Every single one of them was also gay.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:46 PM (4HMW8)

491 Ah yes, Matthew Shepard, killed by his homosexual lover and his drug dealer buddies in a deal that went bad. Turned into a hate crime of anti-homosexual bigotry by a lying press and now he's getting things named after him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:35 PM (39g3+)

Like that pie?

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 02:47 PM (NFEMn)

492 The police responded that out of the eight murders, seven of the perpetrators were known. Every single one of them was also gay.

Away with your hatefacts!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:47 PM (39g3+)

493 well, PA does have the death penalty.

as do the Feds.

so lets get going on this...

Posted by: G*d at October 27, 2018 02:48 PM (kRSP9)

494 Nobody knows what I'm thinking unless I tell them


To hell with this.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 27, 2018 02:28 PM (AllCR)

Actually...

Posted by: A Psychic at October 27, 2018 02:49 PM (2m1vT)

495 Pa has death penalty and a Leftist as Governor to stop it. Guy killed a police officer in cold blood in 1979 and lives like a world celebrity in jail.

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 02:50 PM (T4oHT)

496 CBS:

Bowers posted several messages on Gab supporting President Trump. "Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist," he wrote on Thursday. "There is no #MAGA as long as there is a k--e infestation."

"Supporting", eh? At least they published the quotes so people can judge for themselves.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 02:50 PM (/qEW2)

497 and only entered the PP office in pursuit of one of his wounded victims is conveniently left out of the narrative.
Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:37 PM (4HMW


Also, no one in the abortion clinic was harmed, but a pro-life off-duty police officer was killed trying to protect everyone else.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:51 PM (4HMW8)

498 >>"There is no #MAGA as long as there is a k--e infestation."


Sounds a lot like Farakahn to me.

Posted by: garrett at October 27, 2018 02:51 PM (bPon9)

499 Nobody knows what I'm thinking unless I tell them

"I only know the evil lurking in the hearts of men"
--The Shadow

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:52 PM (39g3+)

500 /off presumptuous sock

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 27, 2018 02:52 PM (v9rtm)

501 I have family in Pittsburgh. Not answering phones. God help us

Posted by: Jmel at October 27, 2018 02:52 PM (OeWgo)

502 >>Nobody knows what I'm thinking unless I tell them


(We) hear the secrets that you keep
when you're talking in your sleep.

Posted by: The Romantics at October 27, 2018 02:53 PM (bPon9)

503 501 I have family in Pittsburgh. Not answering phones. God help us
Posted by: Jmel at October 27, 2018 02:52 PM (OeWgo)


Prayers for your heart and family.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:53 PM (4HMW8)

504 Then there is this problem: A Muslim driver jumped out of his car to beat and choke an Orthodox Jew walking down the sidewalk in NYC recently. The Democrat DA dropped the hate crimes charge. He's a pal of Sarsour's.

This is like the Segregationist Democrats downplaying white violence against blacks. Maybe Sleepy should put the Civil Rights Division on it after naptime.

I don't like Hate Crimes laws but I like the Democrats' selective Jim Crow enforcement even less.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 02:54 PM (Ndje9)

505 Prayers, Jmel.

Posted by: Surfperch at October 27, 2018 02:54 PM (2m1vT)

506 Supporting", eh? At least they published the quotes so people can judge for themselves.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 02:50 PM (/qEW2)

Globalist is a dirty word and Trump's advisor and son in law is Bowers hated enemy. Yeah support.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 27, 2018 02:54 PM (4VAdr)

507 "Supporting", eh? At least they published the quotes so people can judge for themselves.

Yeah he supports Trump like Harvey Weinstein supports chastity

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:54 PM (39g3+)

508 Supporting", eh? At least they published the quotes so people can judge for themselves.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 02:50 PM (/qEW2)

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The lies don't stop. There will be an outpouring of support in Pittsburgh from conservatives for the Tree of Life congregation. I guarantee it.

Meanwhile, the Trump hating killer will be portrayed as a Trump supporter. All for a fucking midterm.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 02:55 PM (5aX2M)

509 Fen, I think the responses were addressing Sarsour sarcastically also...

Posted by: April at October 27, 2018 02:31 PM (OX9vb)



Sounded fatalistic to me.

Posted by: Bob's angina at October 27, 2018 02:55 PM (VquEu)

510 The thing about Hate Crimes is no one has ever explained to me what a love crime is.


There's a "The Paolo" joke in here somewhere.

Posted by: Hands at October 27, 2018 02:55 PM (786Ro)

511 Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2018 02:14

After Edward IV's death, 1483, his wife and her mother were accused of using witchcraft to ensnare the king. I've read of accusations of witchcraft a little earlier under the Lancastrian Plantagenets.

Posted by: Farmer at October 27, 2018 02:56 PM (T5tjg)

512 Hate crime laws are only for the protected class judged by Leftists.

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 02:56 PM (T4oHT)

513 Is there anything we have learned from the rise of the Nazis or the unrest in the 60s that we could use to counter the insanity we see today?

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 02:57 PM (4HMW8)

514 Honduran caravan:

As a thought experiment, I asked myself what I would do if I was a drug-lord with Bond-villain levels of money and influence. The answer is sanctuary cities and media sympathy for illegals.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 27, 2018 02:57 PM (rnAwa)

515 I have family in Pittsburgh. Not answering phones. God help us
Posted by: Jmel at October 27, 2018 02:52 PM (OeWgo)

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Oh no. Prayers and all the rest. We're going through something similar with some friends there who went to this synagogue. Hope for the best.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 02:57 PM (5aX2M)

516 I have family in Pittsburgh. Not answering phones. God help us

Very likely just overloaded cell towers and phone lines, but still, prayers for you and your family.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 02:58 PM (39g3+)

517 Ok, pet nood.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 27, 2018 02:59 PM (/qEW2)

518 This will hurt mid terms. The bomber thing was kinda meh since nobody was hurt. And would have been gone from the news by next week.

But this story will go for a long time and before the MSM is finished Bowers will be Trump's best friend since 3rd grade.

Fuck I hate these assholes.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 02:59 PM (vJyre)

519 Red Bulls have 1,2, Hamilton is 3rd for tomorrow race in Mexico

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 03:00 PM (T4oHT)

520 Actually...

Posted by: A Psychic at October 27, 2018 02:49 PM (2m1vT)

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True Story: there is a house here locally with a sign in the yard advertising "psychic" services.

when the newest residents moved in, they decorated their front porch with half of a rather large geode, chock full of amethysts.

the first time i saw it, i thought "someone's gonna steal that"

i almost said something, but figured, if i did, and it was later stolen, i'd be suspect #1, so i kept my mouth shut for once.

sure enough, it disappeared a few months later, and, the next time i had reason to chat with them, i inquired about it.

"someone stole it! we never thought that would happen..."

my inner thought bubble "some psychics you are... even i knew that was coming."

it was good for a laugh in a certain circle of my acquaintances.




Posted by: redc1c4 at October 27, 2018 03:00 PM (v9rtm)

521 If I was a drug-lord with Bond-villain levels of money and influence:

1 ) Women
2 ) In-house band
3 ) Personal chef
4 ) Sports cars
5 ) Hire James Bond as personal security. You can't kill that guy.
6 ) Buy a volcano island.

Posted by: Hands at October 27, 2018 03:01 PM (786Ro)

522 Oh yeah, and

7 ) Cure baldness

Posted by: Hands at October 27, 2018 03:02 PM (786Ro)

523 I have family in Pittsburgh. Not answering phones. God help us

Very likely just overloaded cell towers and phone lines, but still, prayers for you and your family.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


On 9.11 my parents couldn't get a hold of me for a couple hours. I also flew around the country all the time back then, job related often in 3 cities in a week.

I think my mom aged 5 years in those 2 hours.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 03:03 PM (vJyre)

524 Hire James Bond as personal security. You can't kill that guy.

Yeah but damned near everyone he tries to protect dies. Worst bodyguard ever

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 03:03 PM (39g3+)

525 This will hurt mid terms. The bomber thing was kinda meh since nobody was hurt. And would have been gone from the news by next week.

I doubt it, guy was a Trump hating Jew hating nut, that's not exactly in anyone's wheelhouse

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 03:04 PM (39g3+)

526 Having trouble copy-pasting from Fox News, but Trump supports the right of worshippers to defend themselves.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 03:04 PM (4HMW8)

527
I doubt it, guy was a Trump hating Jew hating nut, that's not exactly in anyone's wheelhouse
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 27, 2018 03:04 PM (39g3+)

(Jump to top of page)

But per MSM he was a Trump guy.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 03:05 PM (vJyre)

528 The CBS News Molesters are straight up lying. That's not a "statement of support" for Trump. It is a condemnation of Trump for being a globalist in the shooter's opinion--and they know it.

But that's why they're the Professional Liars.

Pros, baby!

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 03:07 PM (Ndje9)

529 OT: Andrew McCarthy noted, if the mailed IED devices were "functionally explosive" they would fall under the category "weapons of mass destruction" ...

via: whatfinger / CT
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8dlg68j

Posted by: Bob's angina at October 27, 2018 03:08 PM (VquEu)

530 528 The CBS News Molesters are straight up lying. That's not a "statement of support" for Trump. It is a condemnation of Trump for being a globalist in the shooter's opinion--and they know it.

But that's why they're the Professional Liars.

Pros, baby!
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 03:07 PM (Ndje9)

And that is why the are enemies of the people.

Posted by: josephistan at October 27, 2018 03:10 PM (Izzlo)

531 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93Q5JiDYok

Love Crimes- Jim Carroll

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 27, 2018 03:10 PM (v9rtm)

532 The CBS News Molesters are straight up lying. That's not a "statement of support" for Trump.
...
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 03:07 PM (Ndje9)


Just not said often enough.
Repeat, repeat the lie till it becomes truth.

Posted by: Bob's angina at October 27, 2018 03:11 PM (VquEu)

533 I see no problem carrying to church or synagogue, my religion God doesn't want to see people slaughtered and to protect themselves from death.

Posted by: Skip at October 27, 2018 03:12 PM (T4oHT)

534 No, this will have ZERO effect on midterms.
The people of America no longer expect facts or even honesty from the media.
They expect circular arguments that prop up leftist political goals.And that's what they get.


The left does not give a shit about what people say.

The left simply wants to CONTROL what they say.


The left doesn't care what PDT says.

The left simply wants CONTROL of what Trump says.

Some people are born with a burning desire for the power to control others. These are leftists.
And Americans are fed the hell up with them.


Posted by: mikeyG at October 27, 2018 03:13 PM (LL1Be)

535 There's no statement in the OT saying one should not defend himself. My perspective from the book is that one should aggressively defend himself and family (the tribe).

And in the NT, Jesus tells disciples to get a sword.
That's not passive.

Posted by: Bob's angina at October 27, 2018 03:17 PM (VquEu)

536 The Gipper Lives at October 27, 2018 03:07 PM

Trump the globalist. Plus he moved the embassy to Jerusalem, so the Jews deserved it, sort of. Right?

Posted by: KT at October 27, 2018 03:18 PM (BVQ+1)

537 522 Oh yeah, and

7 ) Cure baldness
Posted by: Hands at October 27, 2018 03:02 PM (786Ro)

If you have that much money, you don't have to cure baldness.

You can just force everyone else in the world to shave their heads.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 03:23 PM (BRvh1)

538 334 How were Africans ever enslaved if they could simply zap their oppressors with lightning bolts?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 27, 2018 01:31 PM (aKsyK)


An unfortunate power outage at the operative time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 27, 2018 03:26 PM (YqDXo)

539
Plus he moved the embassy to Jerusalem, so the Jews deserved it, sort of. Right?
Posted by: KT


Trump supporting talk show host Michael Savage criticized Trump for moving the embassy. He said it was an unnecessary provocation.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 27, 2018 03:32 PM (aKsyK)

540 Interesting. After kids soccer game this morning we went out for pizza since it was the last game. While sitting around mostly watching the kid have fun another parent asks me where my wife is from ( South America) then asked me what I thought about the caravan. I started to say they must not be allowed to enter and I was against all illegal immigration but before I could get far he fully agreed and stared going on about Soros or somebody is orchestrating this fiasco, more will follow if not stopped, illegal immigration is ruining the country, flooding the schools and on and on.. Seemed like an immigrant himself, probably east European, possibly Jewish.

Just surprised and encouraged me to hear somebody I barely know openly expressing himself like that out of the blue. In public, with other parents around which may have overheard if they tried. Bottom line: people are sick of this sick and losing their fear.

Posted by: Ripley at October 27, 2018 03:35 PM (MxEKc)

541 "I'm saying we have mentally ill people that we pay to do shit make no
mistake. Over the last 20 years. I've paid off a few
homeless guys to do some crazy stuff, and I've also taken them for
dinner and I've also made sure they had a hotel and a shower and I've
put them in a program. I've done that."
- Scott Foval, Democrat Operative

Posted by: mikeyG at October 27, 2018 03:37 PM (LL1Be)

542 Trump supporting talk show host Michael Savage
criticized Trump for moving the embassy. He said it was an unnecessary
provocation.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 27, 2018 03:32 PM (aKsyK)
---
there's lots of smart people out there with the occasional silly notion...

and Savage has more than his share.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 27, 2018 03:37 PM (v9rtm)

543 Ripley, I know that IronGrampa would say we are Americans and therefore Good will triumph in this country.

I'm starting to think he may be right.

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 03:39 PM (4HMW8)

544
And in the NT, Jesus tells disciples to get a sword.
That's not passive.
Posted by: Bob's angina at October 27, 2018 03:17 PM (VquEu)

Note, its almost the last thing he tells his disciples.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 27, 2018 03:40 PM (NgKpN)

545 Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 27, 2018 03:32 PM
Would moving the embassy to Jerusalem have been less provocative if Jeb Bush had done it?

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/207849/

Posted by: KT at October 27, 2018 03:41 PM (BVQ+1)

546
Just surprised and encouraged me to hear somebody I barely know openly expressing himself like that out of the blue. In public, with other parents around which may have overheard if they tried. Bottom line: people are sick of this sick and losing their fear.

Posted by: Ripley at October 27, 2018 03:35 P


Legal immigrants for the most part hate illegals.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at October 27, 2018 03:48 PM (0LHZx)

547 Just surprised and encouraged me to hear somebody I barely know openly expressing himself like that out of the blue. In public, with other parents around which may have overheard if they tried. Bottom line: people are sick of this sick and losing their fear.

Posted by: Ripley at October 27, 2018 03:35 PM (MxEKc)

The "caravan" has opened a lot of eyes and angered many people who already had their eyes open. As far as midterm optics go, it was a complete and total bust.
Unfortunately, other more recent events have chased that off the front page....to the relief, no doubt, of liberals.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 03:56 PM (NFEMn)

548 So I guess the Left's strategy now is to show that they are willing to burn the country down if they don't get their way?

(And if they do get their way, they still want to burn the country down.)

Posted by: Emmie at October 27, 2018 04:00 PM (4HMW8)

549 I think Savage may have always been in the Pat Buchanon camp. Buchanon got a lot right, but the one big reason I could never support him was that he LOVED him some Palestinians, and hated Israel. Never could figure that out, other than to guess that he really was just as big of a jew-hater as everyone always said he was.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 27, 2018 04:05 PM (k1TUh)

550 549 I think Savage may have always been in the Pat Buchanon camp. Buchanon got a lot right, but the one big reason I could never support him was that he LOVED him some Palestinians, and hated Israel. Never could figure that out, other than to guess that he really was just as big of a jew-hater as everyone always said he was.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 27, 2018 04:05 PM (k1TUh)

There's that horrible nonsense that always pops up in isolationist circles about "getting roped into the eeevil joooos wars". Which is basically the gateway drug to full blown antisemitism.

I still to this day have no idea which wars they are actually referring to.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 27, 2018 04:08 PM (BRvh1)

551 in case anyone needs it, they've changed the # for people to inquire about friends and relatives in the Tree of Life shooting. It's now 412.521.8010.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 04:14 PM (5aX2M)

552 Yudhishthira's Dice at October 27, 2018 04:14 PM
Appreciate that. Anything else new coming out of the press conference?

Posted by: KT at October 27, 2018 04:32 PM (BVQ+1)

553 NBC annalist saying the shooter is a neverTrumper.

Posted by: Bob's angina at October 27, 2018 04:36 PM (p2jI/)

554 549 I think Savage may have always been in the Pat Buchanon camp. Buchanon got a lot right, but the one big reason I could never support him was that he LOVED him some Palestinians, and hated Israel. Never could figure that out, other than to guess that he really was just as big of a jew-hater as everyone always said he was.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 27, 2018 04:05 PM (k1TUh)

I always thought Savage was something of a fraud. I could be wrong, but I always thought of him as a SanFran liberal who probably thought that getting into talk radio as a conservative would be better for his financial interest.
As for Buchanan, I'd long considered him not a true Anti-Semite but just a contrarian which-combined with his Traditionalist Catholic ( a part of which is a general mistrust of Jews) upbringing caused him to take stances that could be viewed as Anti-Semitic.
But I'm not so sure now. His championing of Palestinian causes makes me think he really is a Jew-hater---although the fact that many liberal Jews ALSO support the Palis throws a wrench into that idea.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 04:36 PM (NFEMn)

555 NBC annalist saying the shooter is a neverTrumper.
Posted by: Bob's angina at October 27, 2018 04:36 PM (p2jI/)

Then it must be too obvious and they can't outright lie.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 04:40 PM (NFEMn)

556 Nood Chess/open

Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 27, 2018 04:52 PM (I16G8)

557 Then it must be too obvious and they can't outright lie.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 04:40 PM (NFEMn)
-

They are going to turn it into an anti-gun rant.

Posted by: Bob's angina at October 27, 2018 04:55 PM (p2jI/)

558 Then it must be too obvious and they can't outright lie.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 04:40 PM (NFEMn)
-

They are going to turn it into an anti-gun rant.
Posted by: Bob's angina at October 27, 2018 04:55 PM (p2jI/)

Which is--and always has been--a non- starter politically, though it does help them raise donor cash....

Posted by: JoeF. at October 27, 2018 04:59 PM (NFEMn)

559 Linda Sarsour chooses her words carefully. When she says "We should all be free and safe to practice our faith <b>in this country</b> [emphasis added] without fear of being targeted" she pointedly omits any suggestion that Jews or Christians should be free and safe to practice their faith in Israel or any majority-Muslim country.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at October 27, 2018 06:19 PM (wTKVu)

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