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For Those Insistent That We Must Fight a Hypothetical Future War on Behalf of Montenegro, Because American Honor Demands It: You Know, It's Not Too Late to Declare War on Russia for the Ukraine
Background: Sorry for not including this. Last night, Tucker Carlson asked Trump why his (Carlson's) son should die to protect new NATO signatory Montengero. Trump expressed a lot of doubt about going to war for Montenegro.
The usual neocon suspects -- Noah Rothman, David French, etc., as well as the suddenly gung-ho-to-kill-Russkies socialist left -- are foaming about even asking serious questions about what America would actually do if Russia invaded Montenegro. While they fulminate and salivate, I can't help noticing that Russia did in fact invade another country that the US made security guarantees to, and the US did nothing much about it, and they themselves did not advocate for War in the Ukraine. Almost as if their mouths are writing a lot of checks their asses (and political viability) can't cover. So I do think it's fair to ask what, realistically, the US is willing to do when faced with the possibility of a war with Russia. One big problem I have with Trump's answer is that he's talking about a country we've already made a part of NATO. Not a wise decision -- but that ship has sailed. We already made that guarantee. However, I do think it's worth talking about this question so that we stop making guarantees to everyone in the world, and maybe get more realistic about what we'd actually do if Russia invaded a country that wasn't a part of the core original treaty group of Western Europe. Our lack of resolve in the Ukraine suggests that the American foreign policy establishment likes making guarantees it has virtually no intention of ever honoring. ... If we're going to be serious about treaty commitments, then we have to be serious about all treaty commitments -- the commitments where there's an actual invasion going on that legally requires US action, now, and not just those more-fun-to-chat-about hypothetical future invasions. Which are safer to discuss politically, of course, because no US troops are currently demanded for the cause. In the meantime, the unchastened neocons choose to selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we have chosen to ignore those obligations. And I don't hear the neocons squawking much about that. Because, to honor those obligations would require immediate US entry into a war against Russia, which would be incredibly unpopular. So instead they jerk themselves off about fantasy future hypotheticals about Montenegro. How about talking about the obligations we're currently in default of honoring, neocons?The US asked Ukraine to give up its huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons in exchange for guarantees that we would protect their independence and territorial integrity from Russian interference or invasion. Russia has interfered and has, for all practical purposes, invaded. So why aren't the neocons demanding a declaration of war against Russia? Oh, for the usual reasons. They're not serious people. They like talking tough but they understand that their prescriptions are wildly unpopular, so they don't really push very hard for much action; they mostly just play the weakling's favorite game talking the toughest without actually trying to get into a fight.
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances refers to three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland, and the United States Of America. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents. The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result, between 1994 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. Before that, Ukraine had the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile, of which Ukraine had physical if not operational control.... Following the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation in 2014, the US, Canada, the UK, along with other countries, stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum, a Memorandum transmitted to the United Nations under the signature of Sergei Lavrov, amongst others, and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity.
One trick the necons are trying right now is arguing that by making guarantees that we will fight wars on behalf of people they know damn well we will not fight on behalf of, we will somehow actually avoid fighting on behalf of the people we're not going to fight on behalf of in any situation. First of all, this more of Obama's Red Line strategy -- and the neocons are nothing at all like Obama, they'll assure you. Claiming you have a "Red Line" which you will go to war to defend while knowing you will not go to war to defend that Red Line projects weakness, not strength. Second, telling people to get on board with a treaty that requires them to go to war to defend another country actually reduces the chances of having to go to war at all fails, intentionally, to prepare the country for the idea that seriously, this treaty means you have to go to war if the other state invokes its rights under the treaty. It's like getting someone to sign a contract and agree to a contract provision against their own interest by telling them that the contract provision will never actually be enforced, and is just required to be in the contract to "satisfy shareholders." I've heard this bullshit personally. Pro-Tip: Any contract provision adverse to you should be read as really, really real, and you should only sign if you are very comfortable having that same adverse provision applied in full against you. Merely hoping and praying it will never be used against you is a legally ruinous strategy. That said: If the war salesmen are telling people the treaty guarantees will not be invoked, then how can you actually try to invoke them later? The whole point of a contract -- or a treaty -- is to have a meeting of minds on key points, actual in-fact agreement as to the terms; the neocons' hucksterism in selling Americans on treaty obligations they claim Americans will never actually be obliged to honor is dishonest -- and the American people would rightly refuse to honor such an obligation if demanded later, noting, correctly, that the people pushing on this them told them that they'd never have to actually go to war if they signed this document saying they'd go to war. Finally -- how does making such guarantees for Montenegro reduce the chances that Russia will actually invade Montenegro when Russia has actually invaded Ukraine and we're already currently dishonoring our obligations to come to Urkaine's defense? If we're not serious about honoring our obligations in Ukraine -- which the tough-talking neocon Chairborne Rangers are quite happy to be unserious about -- why would Montenegro assume we're any more serious? Why would Russia assume we're serious about Montenegro if not serious about Ukraine? So get to agitating for full war, Neocons. Your Sacred Principles demand nothing less. The only way to insure peace for Montenegro in the future is to declare war in Ukraine in the now. Finally, a little history lesson: the other thing the unchastened, never-learn-a-thing neocons are claiming is that the only defense against war is a series of defensive treaties in which we all guarantee to go to war on each other's behalf. This will prevent war, the theory goes, because the treaty system promises such incalculably dire consequences -- a whole world at war for invading Montenegro -- that no one would actually dare to set off the spark that sets the war on fire. This is true -- sometimes. Sometimes, the threat of the whole world going to war over a small territorial dispute in a tiny Balkans state does in fact stay everyone's hand from taking the action that will plunge us into war. On the other hand, sometimes a complex web of treaties and defensive alliances actually causes the entire world to go to war when Russia infringes upon the territorial integrity of a small Balkans region country. It was called the Great War. World War One. People assumed that the web of treaties in which half of Europe pledged itself to defend the tiny Balkan region state of Serbia and the other half of Europe was pledged to assist the German Central Powers and Austro-Hungary in their attempt to punish Serbia for its role (whatever that might be) in the death of the Archduke Ferdinand. So it's not quite true to say sprawling networks of alliances always prevent catastrophically large conflagrations. It's not even true of the Balkans region, or of countries sometimes known as Yugoslavia. Sometimes you can forestall war by making war such an unimaginably large disaster that people refrain from war. But sometimes this doesn't work, and instead the system of alliances and ententes delivers to you the same unimaginably large disaster you were using as a chit to scare people away from a much smaller war. One last point: They say, correctly, that when you pass a law, you should accept the fact that this law is so critical that you are willing to empower agents of the state to straight-up shoot and kill people to enforce that law. You should not have any illusions about this; a law is, unavoidably, Force and Coercion, and when you pass a law, you must make sure that it is important enough a thing to make the killing of citizens who may disagree with that law an acceptable casualty. The same is obviously true of treaty obligations: One must ask, before entering a war alliance, if the interests to be advanced are actually worth killing a lot of people, and sacrificing a lot of our own countrymen. And they should be sold to our countrymen as they actually are: as formal, legal, moral guarantees that we will sacrifice our own sons for the sake of the alliance. And people need to be told that, and have it explained to them why this alliance really is that important, to require the sacrifice of our sons. It is unserious to present war alliances as only proofs against war. A serious and honest commentator must also tell people that this obligation to go to war for another country may very well obligate us to go to war for another country. Selling a war alliance as a clever method of avoiding all war is the work of a dishonest swindler selling unfavorable contract terms to someone by lying about what those terms actually are. So sure: Let's have an honest discussion about which countries we are willing to go to war for, and which we are not. We're apparently unwilling to go to war for Ukraine. Until Trump, we weren't even willing to provide Ukraine with lethal aid with which to defend themselves; but obviously, both before Trump and after Trump, we're not willing to go to actual war for them. Which the self-righteous, we'll-fight-our-enemies-to-the-last-man-from-the-non-political-classes neocons are perfectly fine with (given that none of them utters a peep about honoring our Sacred Obligations in Ukraine). Which other countries are we not willing to sacrifice the last non-DC-resident-life for? Any others? Or is it just Ukraine? More: How About Turkey? Are We Willing to Really Go to War on Behalf of the Islamist Country and NATO Member Turkey?
Question: given the discussion surrounding Russia, Montenegro, and Article 5 of NATO, if Israel were to strike Turkish vessels or assets providing material support to Hamas or other terrorist entities, would the U.S. be required to militarily defend Turkey? Why or why not?
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) July 18, 2018
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En fuego!
Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at July 18, 2018 03:53 PM (ctuyM)
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OH MAN SO CLOSE!!!!!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 03:53 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at July 18, 2018 03:54 PM (mPeei)
Posted by: blaster at July 18, 2018 03:55 PM (LtG+N)
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"You're lucky my girlfriend's here or I'd clobber your ass!"
Posted by: Comey at July 18, 2018 03:55 PM (MceDl)
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 03:55 PM (CiCKR)
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Someone ask Michael Obama to point out Ukraine on an unmarked globe.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at July 18, 2018 03:55 PM (w4hz+)
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 03:56 PM (UnA8+)
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Aaaand as soon as Trump acted they would be in 24x7 OUTRAGE mode at inexperienced Trump starting World War III!!!
Posted by: Joe DiMagio at July 18, 2018 03:56 PM (W+vEI)
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Is Montenegro the new thing I should be flipping out about?
Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 03:56 PM (LNX7T)
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>>Which other countries are we not willing to sacrifice the last non-DC-resident-life for? Any others? Or is it just Ukraine?
Israel, apparently.
Israel, apparently.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (W+vEI)
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I will gladly pay Tuesday for a hamburger today ...
Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (AoK0a)
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OH MAN SO CLOSE!!!!!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 03:53 PM
Sorry, but there's a reason Fast Attacks have 'Fast' in their name, while Boomers are known as 'Rosie O'Donnells'.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 03:53 PM
Sorry, but there's a reason Fast Attacks have 'Fast' in their name, while Boomers are known as 'Rosie O'Donnells'.
Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (ctuyM)
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Was this a movie, by any chance? /kidding
In the meantime, the unchastened neocons choose to selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we have chosen to ignore those obligations.
Anyone who takes our word for anything ought to have his examined. Especially if it's the word of a Democrat President, which is not worth the paper it isn't printed on.
Clinton promised Ukraine protection if they gave up their nukes.
The Magic Negro let Ukraine's phone call go through to voice mail.
Ukraine, you fucked up! You trusted us!
In the meantime, the unchastened neocons choose to selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we have chosen to ignore those obligations.
Anyone who takes our word for anything ought to have his examined. Especially if it's the word of a Democrat President, which is not worth the paper it isn't printed on.
Clinton promised Ukraine protection if they gave up their nukes.
The Magic Negro let Ukraine's phone call go through to voice mail.
Ukraine, you fucked up! You trusted us!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (LNX7T)
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It's not that we're unwilling to go to war FOR Ukraine. We'd do it in a minute if Somalia mentioned being angry with them, or Libya.
We're unwilling to go to war with, you know, Russia. Because, they have a army and stuff.
We're unwilling to go to war with, you know, Russia. Because, they have a army and stuff.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (37IEG)
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0 . Which other countries are we not willing to sacrifice the last non-DC-resident-life for? Any others? Or is it just Ukraine?
Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:52 PM
Ironically, the United States.
Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:52 PM
Ironically, the United States.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UnA8+)
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Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
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Hi, I'm Tuesday. Got something for me?
Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (MceDl)
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Hell, I'm not sure I would support going to war for California.
Now AGAINST California, on the other hand, yeah I could see that.
Now AGAINST California, on the other hand, yeah I could see that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (k1TUh)
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For the People of Montenegro
Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (LNX7T)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (roQNm)
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Montenegro? Huh?
Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (Z48ZB)
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18 Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
Because all the Warmongering Neocons have gone back home to the Demoncrat party.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
Because all the Warmongering Neocons have gone back home to the Demoncrat party.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (UnA8+)
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In the meantime, the unchastened neocons choose to selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we have chosen to ignore those obligations.
Back when that was going on I looked up those "agreements". They were wishy-washy as hell. We could help them or we could ignore them.
Keep in mind that Clinton was president in 1994. He was not going to do shit anyway.
Back when that was going on I looked up those "agreements". They were wishy-washy as hell. We could help them or we could ignore them.
Keep in mind that Clinton was president in 1994. He was not going to do shit anyway.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (mpXpK)
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anyone know if the movie was any good?
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 18, 2018 04:00 PM (8D42x)
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IIRC, the oh-so fabulous Iran Deal committed us to militarily protecting Iran.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:00 PM (W+vEI)
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Dean Rusk had it right way way back when Democrats actually were concerned about the spread of Communism. If the solemn word of the United States is called into question, who knows what kind of chaos will happen.
After eight years of Gaylord, we are again seeing what kind of chaos happens. And people are dying.
Am also reminded of the king of Ethiopia denouncing the League of Nations as Italy conquered his country. The League was long on words but never action. And the world suffered World War II.
After eight years of Gaylord, we are again seeing what kind of chaos happens. And people are dying.
Am also reminded of the king of Ethiopia denouncing the League of Nations as Italy conquered his country. The League was long on words but never action. And the world suffered World War II.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 04:00 PM (hbrUV)
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From RB Pundit on Twitter which seems right:
We've gotten to the point where the Chattering Class basically looks for things they might possibly get a cable news hit for.
Like today with this nonsense about there being a chance that we'd hand over Americans to Putin for questioning.
They were like "BOOK ME BOOK ME!!"
We've gotten to the point where the Chattering Class basically looks for things they might possibly get a cable news hit for.
Like today with this nonsense about there being a chance that we'd hand over Americans to Putin for questioning.
They were like "BOOK ME BOOK ME!!"
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 18, 2018 04:00 PM (OD2ni)
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Some folks are really into Football, or Basketball, or Stock Car Racing ... or a million other similar activities.
They claim a personal satisfaction over the accomplishments of others - based upon nothing more than a conscious decision to Support That Particular Brand.
People are going to scream bloody murder about what I'm getting ready to say ... cry like rats eating onions really ... but it's true.
There's a set of folks out there that derive pleasure just by turning on the news and seeing US Troops fighting somewhere and winning. For all the same reasons that "Sports Fans" walk a little taller when Their Team Wins.
They claim a personal satisfaction over the accomplishments of others - based upon nothing more than a conscious decision to Support That Particular Brand.
People are going to scream bloody murder about what I'm getting ready to say ... cry like rats eating onions really ... but it's true.
There's a set of folks out there that derive pleasure just by turning on the news and seeing US Troops fighting somewhere and winning. For all the same reasons that "Sports Fans" walk a little taller when Their Team Wins.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (fiGNd)
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Look, is this something we can fix by shooting some bottle rockets or something? Maybe take out a herd of goats, or an aspirin factory, or a second rate Islamic hasbeen like Moe Khadafy?
If it is, I'm all for it!
If it is, I'm all for it!
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama - most cleverist foreign policy president ever at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (37IEG)
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Hugo Montenegro? We're at war with a movie star?
Hugo Montenegro? We're at war with a movie star?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (roQNm)
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These assholes are too fucking stupid to parody. Jonestown 2 is what's called for.
Drink the Koolaid, bitches. I SAID ALL OF IT!!!
Drink the Koolaid, bitches. I SAID ALL OF IT!!!
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (y7DUB)
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Any future wars must include a provision that corpulent Bill Kristol gets sent to the front.
Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (nBr1j)
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"So instead they jerk themselves off about fantasy future hypotheticals about Montenegro."
Man, people want war. If not here than abroad. Wtf?!
I never trust people Want war. Especially the numbskulls mentioned in Ace's post.
They have proven, once again, how high they esteem themselves. Viewing everyone else as little wax soldiers to move around the playing board. Sickening. Truly, truly sickening.
I went from not respecting them, to despising them.
Man, people want war. If not here than abroad. Wtf?!
I never trust people Want war. Especially the numbskulls mentioned in Ace's post.
They have proven, once again, how high they esteem themselves. Viewing everyone else as little wax soldiers to move around the playing board. Sickening. Truly, truly sickening.
I went from not respecting them, to despising them.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (CiCKR)
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Wait. I've been in endless, exhausting meetings for the past two days. Who the hell is talking about invading Montenegro? How did this issue even come up?
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (RD7QR)
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The question about Turkey is a nice way of pointing out how absolutely ridiculous it is to keep the Turks inside NATO anymore. Perhaps if they try to start a war and they get dumped on, it'll spark them into quitting on their own.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (k1TUh)
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Who was NOT the host of Let's Make a Deal
Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (LNX7T)
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they're all in for war because no one they know, let alone their children, are in the military.
they see it as a win/win
they see it as a win/win
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (JdMqP)
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>>Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Because they are really good at using a war to completely destroy the sitting GOP president over it.
Grim Milestones, Cindy Sheehan, Abu Garib, yadda yadda yadda. They want to give Drumpf the GW Bush treatment to win back Congress, the WH.
Because they are really good at using a war to completely destroy the sitting GOP president over it.
Grim Milestones, Cindy Sheehan, Abu Garib, yadda yadda yadda. They want to give Drumpf the GW Bush treatment to win back Congress, the WH.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (W+vEI)
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18 Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
They always have been. Remember during the Iraq War, when the Reds wanted us instead to invade Rwanda?
Why? Because our interests were arguably involved with Iraq, but nobody gave a crap about Rwanda, so that would be the perfect place to sacrifice American lives and treasure.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
They always have been. Remember during the Iraq War, when the Reds wanted us instead to invade Rwanda?
Why? Because our interests were arguably involved with Iraq, but nobody gave a crap about Rwanda, so that would be the perfect place to sacrifice American lives and treasure.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (YqDXo)
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liberal sanctimony on this is rising to an absurd height. Which means they're wrong and probably lying...but mostly wrong.
Is there a provision in NATO treaty for what happens when, say...turkey goes muz brotherhood or London drags England into an alliance with ISIS or Iran?
nah? then sorry old chap, not quite nuanced enough
Is there a provision in NATO treaty for what happens when, say...turkey goes muz brotherhood or London drags England into an alliance with ISIS or Iran?
nah? then sorry old chap, not quite nuanced enough
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (GV6hq)
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Hey!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (1SRec)
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Had to stop halfway through the content to give "neocon Chairborne Rangers" it's due.... that's a good one, ace!!!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (CiCKR)
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Ace is En Fuego!! Go, Ace, Go!
Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (2sCft)
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Monty Negro? He was my backup bodyman.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (37IEG)
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Because they are really good at using a war to completely destroy the sitting GOP president America over it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (YqDXo)
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I'm pretty non-cognizant about what went down in Crimea. But apparently they had a referendum and chose to align with the Russkies. I would suspect that the USA had more then 12 computer peeps trying to change the outcome of that referendum.
When it comes to USA and Russia, all I need to know I learned in 'Spy vs Spy' in 'Mad Magazine'.
I'm pretty non-cognizant about what went down in Crimea. But apparently they had a referendum and chose to align with the Russkies. I would suspect that the USA had more then 12 computer peeps trying to change the outcome of that referendum.
When it comes to USA and Russia, all I need to know I learned in 'Spy vs Spy' in 'Mad Magazine'.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (LOgQ4)
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (CiCKR)
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It looks like the DNC has found yet another winning strategy: if democrats were in power, we'd be going to war!!
Keep it up, guys!
Keep it up, guys!
Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (Z48ZB)
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Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
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um, let's see...it's one of their greatest hits? Do war, dump it on the GOP's lap and then catterwall about how our soldiers are baby killers and the bad guys are actually akin to our founding fathers?
and then there's a cuck GOP waiting to lose it all to show not all republicans are like that.
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um, let's see...it's one of their greatest hits? Do war, dump it on the GOP's lap and then catterwall about how our soldiers are baby killers and the bad guys are actually akin to our founding fathers?
and then there's a cuck GOP waiting to lose it all to show not all republicans are like that.
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (GV6hq)
Posted by: BurtTC at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (9chmE)
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Is this why Trump wants NATO nations to start ponying up.
Posted by: WisRich at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (G0vdT)
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Man, people want war. If not here than abroad. Wtf?!
I never trust people Want war. Especially the numbskulls mentioned in Ace's post.
Draft liberals, and make the expeditionary force headed by the 1st Hairy Legged Lesbian division, the Screaming Harpies.
Just be prepared for the atrocities when they capture male enemies.
I never trust people Want war. Especially the numbskulls mentioned in Ace's post.
Draft liberals, and make the expeditionary force headed by the 1st Hairy Legged Lesbian division, the Screaming Harpies.
Just be prepared for the atrocities when they capture male enemies.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (YqDXo)
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Any future wars must include a provision that corpulent Bill Kristol gets sent to the front.
Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (nBr1j)
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as a combat engineer assigned to clear minefields on a pogo stick.
just make sure the PAO folks are there with video cameras.
Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (nBr1j)
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as a combat engineer assigned to clear minefields on a pogo stick.
just make sure the PAO folks are there with video cameras.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (JdMqP)
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It's never a good idea to expand an alliance while cutting its capabilities. Call me crazy.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (Boy/L)
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I'm pretty sure Monty was white.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (HgMAr)
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One of the many problems with UKR was the divided loyalties of the old office corp. The other was solid officer training>troop training. Poland OCS helped the officer bit and they now have some pretty okay line troops.
Lethal force would've done nothing in 2013 but kill more Ukrainians. But now? They're better able to handle it.
Lethal force would've done nothing in 2013 but kill more Ukrainians. But now? They're better able to handle it.
Posted by: 13times at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (K3B2k)
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Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
So they have something new to blame us for, of course.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
So they have something new to blame us for, of course.
Posted by: antisocialist at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (9BwmK)
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Just hurry up and start a war we can blame Trump for--jingoistic fuck!
Posted by: Libs champing at the bit at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (vDqXW)
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The movie Ace is reviewing here is . . .
"All Quiet on the Western Front".
Perhaps you've heard of it, and know it ends badly for all concerned.
In related news, both DNC Head Lunatic Tom Perez and Dumbfuck Chris Cuomo have called Russia's election meddling "an act of WAR!" in recent days.
"All Quiet on the Western Front".
Perhaps you've heard of it, and know it ends badly for all concerned.
In related news, both DNC Head Lunatic Tom Perez and Dumbfuck Chris Cuomo have called Russia's election meddling "an act of WAR!" in recent days.
Posted by: Sharkman at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (k2Hcx)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (Boy/L)
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It looks like the DNC has found yet another winning strategy: if democrats were in power, we'd be going to war!!
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That was LBJ's campaign slogan. They were calling it a 'grand adventure'. Rally 'round the President and save the world from the dirty, godless commies, and defend America.
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That was LBJ's campaign slogan. They were calling it a 'grand adventure'. Rally 'round the President and save the world from the dirty, godless commies, and defend America.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (roQNm)
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I declare WAR on Downfall Parody Hitler!
Posted by: ro-man at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (RuIsu)
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That post would not even fit in Montenegro.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (HgMAr)
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I was in Budapest once.
April 2003.
Was not allowed off the plane.
Seems the people of Hungary were not fond of Bush or OIF, and their govt wanted to keep it on the DL that US troops were on their soil, albeit temporarily (refuel enroute to Kuwait).
The crew was pretty p.o'd almost as much as we were, and allowed us to smoke on the plane.
The stampede of soldiers climbing over seats to get near the open doors was epic, though.
April 2003.
Was not allowed off the plane.
Seems the people of Hungary were not fond of Bush or OIF, and their govt wanted to keep it on the DL that US troops were on their soil, albeit temporarily (refuel enroute to Kuwait).
The crew was pretty p.o'd almost as much as we were, and allowed us to smoke on the plane.
The stampede of soldiers climbing over seats to get near the open doors was epic, though.
Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (gBShP)
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Game.Set.Match.Check.And.Mate.
Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (ZoUbb)
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You effed up. You trusted us.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (3HNOQ)
Posted by: Libs champing at the bit at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (vDqXW)
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Trump should have said Monte-N-word.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (k1TUh)
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Ok, McCain, suit up and get back in that jet!
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (oiNtH)
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When it comes to USA and Russia, all I need to know I learned in 'Spy vs Spy' in 'Mad Magazine'.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (LOgQ4)
Also the movie "Spies Like Us".
Such realism!
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (LOgQ4)
Also the movie "Spies Like Us".
Such realism!
Posted by: antisocialist at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (9BwmK)
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>>Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Could also make it easier for anarchy at home if our soldiers, national guardsmen are out of the country, IYKWIMAITYD.
Could also make it easier for anarchy at home if our soldiers, national guardsmen are out of the country, IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)
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44 Had to stop halfway through the content to give "neocon Chairborne Rangers" it's due.... that's a good one, ace!!!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (jjaLl)
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Hooah. Too funneh.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (jjaLl)
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Hooah. Too funneh.
Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (gBShP)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (37IEG)
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Don't forget about me.
Posted by: Georgia, no the other one at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (eaI2m)
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Bosnia and Kosovo were the last two places the MFM was jonesing for a war. Jethro Bodine Slick, double aught commander in chief, managed to use up all our munitions and blow up the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. That bullshit did nothing for us strategically and helped bring radical Islam into Europe. Fuckers.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (y7DUB)
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If Playboy was still around in it's original configuration and there was a 'Girls of Montenegro' issue that was of a highly stimulating nature, I might have some degree of concern on the lower end of the tumescent scale.
If Playboy was still around in it's original configuration and there was a 'Girls of Montenegro' issue that was of a highly stimulating nature, I might have some degree of concern on the lower end of the tumescent scale.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (LOgQ4)
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That was LBJ's campaign slogan. They were calling it a 'grand adventure'. Rally 'round the President and save the world from the dirty, godless commies, and defend America.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (roQNm)
All the more reason to let liberals get in on a "grand adventure."
We can stay home and protest. I'm working on a papier mache head right now. Who wants to organize the drum circle? But in any case, we all need to stop bathing immediately for authenticity.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (roQNm)
All the more reason to let liberals get in on a "grand adventure."
We can stay home and protest. I'm working on a papier mache head right now. Who wants to organize the drum circle? But in any case, we all need to stop bathing immediately for authenticity.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (YqDXo)
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Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
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I am old enough when the Dems were crying "Chicken Hawk" over escapades in Afghanistan and Iraq - now it's all like: "Hey, Let's start a full bore shooting war with one of the last great nuclear super powers left on planet Earth because of a few hundred thousand dollars in Facebook ads and a Nigerian prince email sent to Tony Leftard Podesta.
Ummm - no thanks, leftards - you first
Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
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I am old enough when the Dems were crying "Chicken Hawk" over escapades in Afghanistan and Iraq - now it's all like: "Hey, Let's start a full bore shooting war with one of the last great nuclear super powers left on planet Earth because of a few hundred thousand dollars in Facebook ads and a Nigerian prince email sent to Tony Leftard Podesta.
Ummm - no thanks, leftards - you first
Posted by: Publius Redux at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (Fb9aZ)
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I remember reading somewhere about a group of men who fought a war and founded a nation some 242-years ago who warned about "entangling" "alliances" and whatnot.
Smart men, they were.
Smart men, they were.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (NYS7S)
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The tumor wants what it wants.
Posted by: John McCain at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (vDqXW)
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Ace's assessment of the past vis-a-vis Budapest Memorandum, the Great War, etc, is spot on.
But, I had not heard we were discussing the provision of a security guarantee for Montenegro.
Just who in the fuck is proposing this lunacy?
There's no link.
But, I had not heard we were discussing the provision of a security guarantee for Montenegro.
Just who in the fuck is proposing this lunacy?
There's no link.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (UiRxW)
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70 You effed up. You trusted us.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (3HNOQ)
Tell me about it.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (3HNOQ)
Tell me about it.
Posted by: Muammar Gaddafi at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (G0vdT)
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79 Bosnia and Kosovo were the last two places the MFM was jonesing for a war. Jethro Bodine Slick, double aught commander in chief, managed to use up all our munitions and blow up the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. That bullshit did nothing for us strategically and helped bring radical Islam into Europe. Fuckers.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (y7DUB)
I still want to know how many politicians were bought off by Islamic Interests circa Desert Storm.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (y7DUB)
I still want to know how many politicians were bought off by Islamic Interests circa Desert Storm.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (UnA8+)
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Smart men, they were.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (NYS7S)
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Really, though?
Aren't we just like 200 years smarter than them?
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (NYS7S)
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Really, though?
Aren't we just like 200 years smarter than them?
Posted by: Katy Tur with no D at July 18, 2018 04:10 PM (vDqXW)
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Sock off.
Posted by: WisRich at July 18, 2018 04:10 PM (G0vdT)
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Bosnia and Kosovo were the last two places the MFM was jonesing for a war.
After the big-talking, chest pounding Euros, who were going to "unite" to be the counterweight against the American hegemon, were quivering in fear and begging us to come over and do something about a problem right on their doorstep.
A bunch of Bluebirds could have acquitted themselves more honorably.
After the big-talking, chest pounding Euros, who were going to "unite" to be the counterweight against the American hegemon, were quivering in fear and begging us to come over and do something about a problem right on their doorstep.
A bunch of Bluebirds could have acquitted themselves more honorably.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (UiRxW)
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I had to do a little research to find out what the hell you were talking about, Ace. I did not hear Trump's comment about Montenegro.
I see what the argument is.. but, if you want to be in NATO, you have obligations to abide by the rules.
If you are in default on your military spending, you should not be able to count on unconditional protection from NATO.
I see what the argument is.. but, if you want to be in NATO, you have obligations to abide by the rules.
If you are in default on your military spending, you should not be able to count on unconditional protection from NATO.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (so+oy)
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Who invaded Montenegro?
Who invaded Montenegro?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (roQNm)
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Aren't we just like 200 years smarter than them?
Evidence, please. Anything you got. Show your work.
We'll wait.
(heh heh)
Evidence, please. Anything you got. Show your work.
We'll wait.
(heh heh)
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (NYS7S)
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Tech advance has nothing to do with smarter.
Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)
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Last year, around Charlottesville, I began suspecting the Resistance was baiting the Sane people...trying to get them in the streets. Since then, that hypothesis has grown to a certainity. They want any kind of violence they can get.
However, if I had any doubts left, which I didn't, the last week has made it a slam dunk certainity.
Anyone agitating for war abroad is beyond cruel. It reminds me of Bill Maher wishing a recession on the country. Death and destruction should be the Dems new slogan.
However, if I had any doubts left, which I didn't, the last week has made it a slam dunk certainity.
Anyone agitating for war abroad is beyond cruel. It reminds me of Bill Maher wishing a recession on the country. Death and destruction should be the Dems new slogan.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (CiCKR)
Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (AoK0a)
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If Playboy was still around in it's original configuration and there was a 'Girls of Montenegro' issue that was of a highly stimulating nature, I might have some degree of concern on the lower end of the tumescent scale.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic
Girls of Croatia
Posted by: Forgot My Nic
Girls of Croatia
Posted by: Jean at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (eaI2m)
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Does one "chomp" at the bit, or "champ" at the bit?
John Kerry to the white phone. Will the haughty John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, please pick up the white courtesy phone...
John Kerry to the white phone. Will the haughty John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, please pick up the white courtesy phone...
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (jjaLl)
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Good thing we have an election coming up.
Vote for democrats if you want to go to war with Russia over Montenegro.
That should be popular.
Vote for democrats if you want to go to war with Russia over Montenegro.
That should be popular.
Posted by: Warbuck at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (4So4m)
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Who invaded Montenegro?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse
The Hugonauts ....
Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (AoK0a)
Grand Duchy of Fenwick.
Who invaded Montenegro?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse
The Hugonauts ....
Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (AoK0a)
Grand Duchy of Fenwick.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (37IEG)
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I'm pretty sure Monty was white.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM
I am if the price is right.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM
I am if the price is right.
Posted by: Monty Hall at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (ctuyM)
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One would do well to actually read the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 before concluding there was a commitment by the US to defend Ukraine in any way. Russia has violated it, however.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ycwxft4n
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ycwxft4n
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (5NMZN)
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Treaties have always been just a temporary framework until they have to be broken, re-written or withdrawn depending on the changing interest of one or both of the parties.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (L78vw)
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95 Tech advance has nothing to do with smarter.
Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)
Tech Evolves,
Humanity Devolves.
That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.
Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)
Tech Evolves,
Humanity Devolves.
That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)
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i wanna be a chairborne ranger, filling out forms for the young and old!
Posted by: redc1c4, calling cadence like a champ! at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (JdMqP)
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>>Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Could also make it easier for anarchy at home if our soldiers, national guardsmen are out of the country, IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)
If that is what they are thinking, perhaps they should look at the statistics showing the number of gun owners in the US, the number of weapons privately held, and the amount of ammo owned. Not every gun owner is in the military, or will be deployed.
>>Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Could also make it easier for anarchy at home if our soldiers, national guardsmen are out of the country, IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)
If that is what they are thinking, perhaps they should look at the statistics showing the number of gun owners in the US, the number of weapons privately held, and the amount of ammo owned. Not every gun owner is in the military, or will be deployed.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (jxbfJ)
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War against Monaco? What did they do?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (O2RFr)
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95 Tech advance has nothing to do with smarter.
Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)
Tech Evolves,
Humanity Devolves.
That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)
Facebook. Twitter.
QED.
95 Tech advance has nothing to do with smarter.
Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)
Tech Evolves,
Humanity Devolves.
That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)
Facebook. Twitter.
QED.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (jxbfJ)
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So now the Democrats are gonna be all like - "Oh Monty! Monty! Monty!"
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Alex Avacado-Cortex at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (r9UYA)
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>>Anyone agitating for war abroad is beyond cruel. It reminds me of Bill Maher wishing a recession on the country. Death and destruction should be the Dems new slogan.
Yep - we wouldn't be losing many San Francisco/Austin/S. Boston/Park Slope soy boys if we got ourselves into another dang war.
Yep - we wouldn't be losing many San Francisco/Austin/S. Boston/Park Slope soy boys if we got ourselves into another dang war.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (W+vEI)
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106 i wanna be a chairborne ranger, filling out forms for the young and old!
Posted by: redc1c4, calling cadence like a champ! at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (JdMqP)
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LOL!
Posted by: redc1c4, calling cadence like a champ! at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (JdMqP)
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LOL!
Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (gBShP)
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105 That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)
What if AI decides to follow Islam?
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)
What if AI decides to follow Islam?
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (UnA8+)
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IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ACTUALLY KNOW WHERE MONTENEGRO IS!
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (JdMqP)
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War against Monaco? What did they do?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (O2RFr)
Stole one of our hawt actresses.
War against Monaco? What did they do?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (O2RFr)
Stole one of our hawt actresses.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (37IEG)
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I still want to know how many politicians were bought off by Islamic Interests circa Desert Storm.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (UnA8+)
That Jew hating prick, Baker, surely loved it when Scuds were fired at Tel Aviv. And then, miracle of miracles, Star Wars from Voodoo Economics intercepted some of them.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (UnA8+)
That Jew hating prick, Baker, surely loved it when Scuds were fired at Tel Aviv. And then, miracle of miracles, Star Wars from Voodoo Economics intercepted some of them.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (y7DUB)
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The tumor wants what it wants.
Posted by: John McCain at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (vDqXW)
LOL!!!
That should be the tag line on the movie poster for whatever shitty movie they make about him.....
Posted by: John McCain at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (vDqXW)
LOL!!!
That should be the tag line on the movie poster for whatever shitty movie they make about him.....Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (jjaLl)
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Want this kind of crap to stop ?
If you want the US Government to stop getting into Entangling Alliances, and Silly Overseas Adventures, quit supporting the funding of a US Military capable of doing such shit.
Take away Government's toys.
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
If you want the US Government to stop getting into Entangling Alliances, and Silly Overseas Adventures, quit supporting the funding of a US Military capable of doing such shit.
Take away Government's toys.
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (HaL55)
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You effed up. You trusted us.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (3HNOQ)
Tell me about it.
Posted by: Muammar Gaddafi at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (G0vdT)
...<crickets>...
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (3HNOQ)
Tell me about it.
Posted by: Muammar Gaddafi at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (G0vdT)
...<crickets>...
Posted by: Zombie Chris Stevens at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (9chmE)
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100
Good thing we have an election coming up.
Vote for democrats if you want to go to war with Russia over Montenegro.
That should be popular.
Posted by: Warbuck at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (4So4m)
And why we are at it, we are taking away your plastic straws.......... just try to fight a war against Russia with no plastic straws!
Good thing we have an election coming up.
Vote for democrats if you want to go to war with Russia over Montenegro.
That should be popular.
Posted by: Warbuck at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (4So4m)
And why we are at it, we are taking away your plastic straws.......... just try to fight a war against Russia with no plastic straws!
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (UsCnO)
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105 That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)
What if AI decides to follow Islam?
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (UnA8+)
Unplug it.
105 That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)
What if AI decides to follow Islam?
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (UnA8+)
Unplug it.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (jxbfJ)
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Yep - we wouldn't be losing many San Francisco/Austin/S. Boston/Park Slope soy boys if we got ourselves into another dang war.
Draft would fix that. Like actual, real, no-deferments, no-exceptions draft.
Yeah, I know. Won't happen. So long as "other peoples' kids" are doing the fighting and dying there will be plenty of well-fed assholes getting their rocks-off looking to get them killed.
Draft would fix that. Like actual, real, no-deferments, no-exceptions draft.
Yeah, I know. Won't happen. So long as "other peoples' kids" are doing the fighting and dying there will be plenty of well-fed assholes getting their rocks-off looking to get them killed.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (NYS7S)
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"Grand Duchy of Fenwick.
Posted by: DamnedYankee "
Does she live on that little island between Bethany Beach and Ocean City?
Posted by: DamnedYankee "
Does she live on that little island between Bethany Beach and Ocean City?
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (HaL55)
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Tech advance has nothing to do with smarter.
Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)
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that's only because you didn't adopt *MY* tech...
Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)
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that's only because you didn't adopt *MY* tech...
Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (JdMqP)
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Yep - we wouldn't be losing many San Francisco/Austin/S. Boston/Park Slope soy boys if we got ourselves into another dang war.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM
I'm still happy to come over during the holidays and discuss healthcare while sipping hot cocoa in my onesie.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM
I'm still happy to come over during the holidays and discuss healthcare while sipping hot cocoa in my onesie.
Posted by: Pajama Boy at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (ctuyM)
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Why do we still have nukes in Turkey?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (6Ll1u)
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Montenegro sounds kinda racist. Time to think about a name change.
Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (LNX7T)
Tell me about it....
Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (LNX7T)
Tell me about it....
Posted by: Niger at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (y8Foj)
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Well, now we can re-institute the Montenegro War draft! And we can put SJW's into the front lines and let them fight for social justice against the Russian menace! And the TGBLQGdemented troops too!
And ANTIFA will want a piece of punching some of them Russian FACISTS!
And ANTIFA will want a piece of punching some of them Russian FACISTS!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (37IEG)
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Fun Facts to know and tell:
The capital of Montenegro is Podgorica.
Official language is Montenegrin.
Area is 5,333 square miles.
They drive on the right.
There's a joke in there somewhere.
The capital of Montenegro is Podgorica.
Official language is Montenegrin.
Area is 5,333 square miles.
They drive on the right.
There's a joke in there somewhere.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (L78vw)
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And isn't the word "Montenegro" racist?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (HaL55)
--------------------
MontePride !
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (HaL55)
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MontePride !
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (5NMZN)
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Turkey? Shirley you jest.
Why would we defend Turkey from Israel?
We didn't even defend ourselves from Israel.
(Mediterranean mistaken identity attack on one of our surveillance ships or something. USS Liberty 8 June 1967. But there was another one more recently. Bing is not helping.)
Why would we defend Turkey from Israel?
We didn't even defend ourselves from Israel.
(Mediterranean mistaken identity attack on one of our surveillance ships or something. USS Liberty 8 June 1967. But there was another one more recently. Bing is not helping.)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (roQNm)
136
Take away Government's toys.
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a
military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be
projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
Butbutbutt... they took ur jerbs!!!!
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a
military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be
projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
Butbutbutt... they took ur jerbs!!!!
Posted by: Military Industrial Complex at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (9chmE)
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (Zskvw)
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All the criminals that come here from Mexico are foot soldiers in their invading army. Let's invage Mexico.
Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (O18YC)
139
124 Yeah, I know. Won't happen. So long as "other peoples' kids" are doing the fighting and dying there will be plenty of well-fed assholes getting their rocks-off looking to get them killed.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (NYS7S)
More directly : You win Federal Office? Your children are auto-bound to mandatory service.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (NYS7S)
More directly : You win Federal Office? Your children are auto-bound to mandatory service.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (UnA8+)
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Draft would fix that. Like actual, real, no-deferments, no-exceptions draft.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (NYS7S)
I get the sentiment ... but start up a draft, and I send my kids to Canada.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (NYS7S)
I get the sentiment ... but start up a draft, and I send my kids to Canada.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (fiGNd)
141
Monte Negro > Monty Python.
Posted by: Terry Gilliam at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (/qEW2)
142
Here's the problem, since Montenegro is a member of NATO w are obligated under the terms of article 5 of the treaty " If one NATO country is attacked, all NATO countries would be considered under attack as well and would join in defense." We call NATO countries after 9/11 to honor article 5 and they did in different ways but they did. Why would they except less of us if they were attack? What of the Baltic States?
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (Bdeb0)
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Yes, the Democrats and their neocon allies need to campaign on a promise to go to war with Russia. Also, they need to explain to their SJW fan base a military draft is needed due to the troops required, and as part of #theresistance it is their patriotic obligation not even to wait but to enlist immediately.
The treasonous Trump cannot be trusted to start such a war or military draft. Yes, Blue Wave!
The treasonous Trump cannot be trusted to start such a war or military draft. Yes, Blue Wave!
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (96FM8)
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138
All the criminals that come here from Mexico are foot soldiers in their invading army. Let's invage Mexico.
Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (O18YC)
And what will we do the day after tomorrow?
All the criminals that come here from Mexico are foot soldiers in their invading army. Let's invage Mexico.
Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (O18YC)
And what will we do the day after tomorrow?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (jxbfJ)
145
Take away Government's toys.
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a
military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be
projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
So, just concede the entire world to whatever military wants to take it? I'm not going along with that plan at all.
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a
military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be
projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
So, just concede the entire world to whatever military wants to take it? I'm not going along with that plan at all.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (jjaLl)
146
Great piece Ace. Trump was right that NATO is obsolete as it was designed to fight WWII all over again. What would an all out war against Russia look like (hot or cold)? Not very pretty. And putting tanks on the border of Germany doesn't make any sense at all. Our military and the neocons never got beyond WWII strategy/tactics. Trump is absolutely right to question NATO and the current military and diplomatic strategies that have been in place for the last 60 years. Look at how useless and counterproductive the UN has become. Maybe there are better options. At least Trump is willing to try something different.
Turkey was put into NATO so that they wouldn't get into a war with Greece (also in NATO). But what do we do now if Turkey and Israel start going at it? Good question.
Turkey was put into NATO so that they wouldn't get into a war with Greece (also in NATO). But what do we do now if Turkey and Israel start going at it? Good question.
Posted by: Tommy at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (yEAdf)
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...<crickets>...
Posted by: Zombie Chris Stevens at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (9chmE)
It was a MOVIE Chris! It was caused by a YouTube Movie! Get OVER it and move on, I know I have.
Posted by: Zombie Chris Stevens at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (9chmE)
It was a MOVIE Chris! It was caused by a YouTube Movie! Get OVER it and move on, I know I have.
Posted by: Mecha_Hillary_2020 at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (37IEG)
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132 Fun Facts to know and tell:
The capital of Montenegro is Podgorica.
Official language is Montenegrin.
Area is 5,333 square miles.
They drive on the right.
There's a joke in there somewhere.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (HgMAr)
Did Paul Barbado already do a Montenegro video?
The capital of Montenegro is Podgorica.
Official language is Montenegrin.
Area is 5,333 square miles.
They drive on the right.
There's a joke in there somewhere.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (HgMAr)
Did Paul Barbado already do a Montenegro video?
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (UnA8+)
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Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
If I recall, Ike warned about "The Military Industrial Complex" and "The Government, Media, Academia Complex" (though not in so many words).
Smart man, he was.
If I recall, Ike warned about "The Military Industrial Complex" and "The Government, Media, Academia Complex" (though not in so many words).
Smart man, he was.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (NYS7S)
150
i wanna be a chairborne ranger, filling out forms for the young and old!
Posted by: redc1c4, calling cadence like a champ! at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM
* sniff * Doesn't rhyme.
Posted by: redc1c4, calling cadence like a champ! at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM
* sniff * Doesn't rhyme.
Posted by: Jody Call at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (ctuyM)
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The worst part of this is that it makes genuine efforts to convince Iran and North Korea to give up on their nuclear ambitions that much more difficult.
You see a chunk of Ukraine get annexed and Libya go to the wolves after swearing off WMDs.
Then on the other side Pakistan is treated with kid gloves because they are part of the nuclear club. China and Russia have free reign to do whatever they want with only the mildest of reprecussions. Claim another country or large parts of the ocean as your own and maybe some wargames will get scheduled.
Our words tell countries to curb their nuclear development and eliminate existing weapons, but our actions only reinforce how critical nukes are to maintaining real sovereignty.
You see a chunk of Ukraine get annexed and Libya go to the wolves after swearing off WMDs.
Then on the other side Pakistan is treated with kid gloves because they are part of the nuclear club. China and Russia have free reign to do whatever they want with only the mildest of reprecussions. Claim another country or large parts of the ocean as your own and maybe some wargames will get scheduled.
Our words tell countries to curb their nuclear development and eliminate existing weapons, but our actions only reinforce how critical nukes are to maintaining real sovereignty.
Posted by: Sjg at July 18, 2018 04:19 PM (gDSJf)
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The capital of Montenegro is Podgorica.
Official language is Montenegrin.
Area is 5,333 square miles.
They drive on the right.
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And, in an incredibly short-sighted move they split off of Serbia about ten years back.
Wouldn't have this f'in problem, if they'd stayed on board.
Official language is Montenegrin.
Area is 5,333 square miles.
They drive on the right.
-----
And, in an incredibly short-sighted move they split off of Serbia about ten years back.
Wouldn't have this f'in problem, if they'd stayed on board.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:19 PM (UiRxW)
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Could also make it easier for anarchy at home if our soldiers, national guardsmen are out of the country, IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)
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There are more guns in the hands of Americans than there are police/military ones combined.
Plus, active duty folks make up about 1% of the population, and out of those, about a quarter, give or take, are deployed at any particular time.
If these yahoos are truly thinking a war will make it easier to subjugate Americans, they're more idiotic than I thought.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)
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There are more guns in the hands of Americans than there are police/military ones combined.
Plus, active duty folks make up about 1% of the population, and out of those, about a quarter, give or take, are deployed at any particular time.
If these yahoos are truly thinking a war will make it easier to subjugate Americans, they're more idiotic than I thought.
Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:19 PM (gBShP)
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And what will we do the day after tomorrow?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
The Carmel Flan isn't bad ...
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
The Carmel Flan isn't bad ...
Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 04:19 PM (AoK0a)
155
All those cooties that makes my whoo haa itchy and scratchy are Invaders that I attack right back with a hair brush.
Posted by: Lena Dunham at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (O18YC)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
157
Fuck Montenegro!
Fuck it in the ear.
Fuck it in the ear.
Posted by: Iron Wombat at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (/qASX)
158
Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
1.Because we will lie and say it was Trump's fault.
2. It will get people who are NOT democrats killed.
1.Because we will lie and say it was Trump's fault.
2. It will get people who are NOT democrats killed.
Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (tqyrn)
159
This was always the profound problem with the Syria deal. Obama, as always, could not be bothered to do things legally or the way the Constitution requires. There is a reason treaties require senate approval. There is a reason Obama did not call this a treaty. To the left, words don't actually mean anything--they are markers for whatever sentiments will be added later on. If Russia doesn't think we'll actually defend people we have signed treaties with, Vlad will keep on pushing. Because, why not?
Posted by: IanDeal at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (5mrLG)
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This is part of why I am for disbanding NATO. Anyone with any sense knows it includes many states that we would not go to war to defend if invaded (Baltic States, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria). It's really unserious.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (1b+5Z)
161
Let's invage Mexico.
Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (O18YC)
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we should have just kept it after the war... it might almost be civilized by now.
Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (O18YC)
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we should have just kept it after the war... it might almost be civilized by now.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (JdMqP)
162
No, seriously, is there anybody actually discussing invading Montenegro?
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (RD7QR)
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Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
So, just concede the entire world to whatever military wants to take it? I'm not going along with that plan at all.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (jjaLl)
Oh hell yes. Dead serious.
Any country that I care ANYTHING about, outside of this one, can fend for themselves. If they have to.
So, just concede the entire world to whatever military wants to take it? I'm not going along with that plan at all.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (jjaLl)
Oh hell yes. Dead serious.
Any country that I care ANYTHING about, outside of this one, can fend for themselves. If they have to.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (9chmE)
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It's Not Too Late to Declare War on Russia for the Ukraine
Now are you talking Ace!
I am much more American than any of you and know much better than you what is best for interest of Americans!
First, we send US Marines to beachhead in Syria, conquer country from Assad and Putin. No price is too great to pay for such success!
Remaining millions of Sunni in Syria must be removed from region and placed in United States.
If racist nazi fascist white supremacist flyover scum resist too strongly, then can be placed in Germany, France and Britain.
Assad and his Alawites must be cleansed from region. Bigot anti-Semite Christians in Syria support Assad and therefore must be cleansed from region!
Then we must send 101 Airborne to take Crimea. Then bring in Armored Division to move up to take Moscow. Look, I am Russian native and expert of military history, you must trust me on this!
But we must prepare now with draft! And we must disband fascist ICE and open border to process all New Americans into new American Foreign Legion!
Now are you talking Ace!
I am much more American than any of you and know much better than you what is best for interest of Americans!
First, we send US Marines to beachhead in Syria, conquer country from Assad and Putin. No price is too great to pay for such success!
Remaining millions of Sunni in Syria must be removed from region and placed in United States.
If racist nazi fascist white supremacist flyover scum resist too strongly, then can be placed in Germany, France and Britain.
Assad and his Alawites must be cleansed from region. Bigot anti-Semite Christians in Syria support Assad and therefore must be cleansed from region!
Then we must send 101 Airborne to take Crimea. Then bring in Armored Division to move up to take Moscow. Look, I am Russian native and expert of military history, you must trust me on this!
But we must prepare now with draft! And we must disband fascist ICE and open border to process all New Americans into new American Foreign Legion!
Posted by: Max Boot at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (DuAZ5)
165
Montenegro better pay up.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (5NMZN)
166
War against Monaco? What did they do?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (O2RFr)
Stole one of our hawt actresses.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (37IEG)
The Dodge Monaco was a damn fine automobile...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (O2RFr)
Stole one of our hawt actresses.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (37IEG)
The Dodge Monaco was a damn fine automobile...
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (y8Foj)
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (Bdeb0)
168
Brilliantly argued.
Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood Witch at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (HLTe8)
169
So sure: Let's have an honest discussion
This sums up Why Trump better than nearly anything.
Since, hmm, let's peg shortly after WWII and escalating at every dizzying speeds since then, the political class has utterly refused to have an honest discussion about anything.
Social Security funds are placed into a trust fund with a lock box which can never be used for anything else.
If we grant amnesty now, then that is the last one ever and the wall will be built and illegal immigrants will never ever ever qualify for public assistance.
National security demands that we have greater powers of surveillance and those will never be used against US citizens and even questioning otherwise is a slap in the face of those who risk their lives to protect us.
Democracy. Whisky. Sexy.
Pick whatever topic you like, and it has been lies lies lies lies lies.
See re: Build the damn wall.
It's all been lies and lies and lies and lies and whenever there are attempts at honest discussions, everyone howls like particularly stupid howler monkeys.
So along comes Trump and, see, I keep hearing what a con man and charlatan he is and I can't help but noticing that he's actually doing what he said.
So. You know. Our Betters can suck start a Harley.
This sums up Why Trump better than nearly anything.
Since, hmm, let's peg shortly after WWII and escalating at every dizzying speeds since then, the political class has utterly refused to have an honest discussion about anything.
Social Security funds are placed into a trust fund with a lock box which can never be used for anything else.
If we grant amnesty now, then that is the last one ever and the wall will be built and illegal immigrants will never ever ever qualify for public assistance.
National security demands that we have greater powers of surveillance and those will never be used against US citizens and even questioning otherwise is a slap in the face of those who risk their lives to protect us.
Democracy. Whisky. Sexy.
Pick whatever topic you like, and it has been lies lies lies lies lies.
See re: Build the damn wall.
It's all been lies and lies and lies and lies and whenever there are attempts at honest discussions, everyone howls like particularly stupid howler monkeys.
So along comes Trump and, see, I keep hearing what a con man and charlatan he is and I can't help but noticing that he's actually doing what he said.
So. You know. Our Betters can suck start a Harley.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (dEQP3)
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O/T. For anyone paying attention, Rasmussen has the Generic Congressional polling at D+5 with Likely Voters. They are the only polling firm to have switched over to LV's. Everyone else is using registered voters and there are still one or two using "adults".
Remember, democrats needs to have a 4-5+ point lead just to keep the seats they have due to gerrymandering.
Remember, democrats needs to have a 4-5+ point lead just to keep the seats they have due to gerrymandering.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (+Dllb)
171
My friends, you don't have to be afraid of nuclear war over MountTheNegro.
My friends, you don't have to be afraid of nuclear war over MountTheNegro.
Posted by: John McCain's Tumma at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (LOgQ4)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: hippie kristol at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (Evws/)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (roQNm)
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156
I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Yes there is! The capital is CostaPlenty. I ought to know, I had to dodge sniper fire there when I visited while Bill was President.
I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Yes there is! The capital is CostaPlenty. I ought to know, I had to dodge sniper fire there when I visited while Bill was President.
Posted by: Mecha_Hillary_2020 at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (37IEG)
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I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Naming a country Montenegro is a racist microaggression. It should be MonteAfricanEuropean.
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Naming a country Montenegro is a racist microaggression. It should be MonteAfricanEuropean.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (9BLnV)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (r9UYA)
178
I get the sentiment ... but start up a draft, and I send my kids to Canada.
Your kids, plus about 10-million soi-bois who wouldn't be able to vote in our elections anymore. Hmmmmm...
Your kids, plus about 10-million soi-bois who wouldn't be able to vote in our elections anymore. Hmmmmm...
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (NYS7S)
179
Well, the millions of Mexicans--and Central Americans--we've allowed into the country the past few decades will sure come in handy when we go to war with Russia.
Maybe that was part of the plan?
Maybe that was part of the plan?
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (y8Foj)
180
We should invade Montenegro for its problematic name!! It is highly offensive and racist!!
WAR!!!
WAR!!!
Posted by: SJW, Grievance Warrior at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (4VhKa)
181
How about "we will protect Montenegro from unserious threats like Albania and maybe Bosnia, probably from Serbia but we'll have to look at it, and no way from Russia. Nuh uh. Not worth it".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (fuK7c)
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And, seriously, there's no link I can find.
Who is proposing this stupid idea for a security guarantee? Is it Trump? Is it Congress? Is it just idiotic press-men?
Who is proposing this stupid idea for a security guarantee? Is it Trump? Is it Congress? Is it just idiotic press-men?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (UiRxW)
183
I'm still of the opinion that King Barry and ValJar were actively trying to get the US Mainland nuked.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (UnA8+)
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119 Want this kind of crap to stop ?
If you want the US Government to stop getting into Entangling Alliances, and Silly Overseas Adventures, quit supporting the funding of a US Military capable of doing such shit.
Take away Government's toys.
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
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ScoggDog...
Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the height of moronic, and not in a good way.
I loves ya, but come on, man.
If you want the US Government to stop getting into Entangling Alliances, and Silly Overseas Adventures, quit supporting the funding of a US Military capable of doing such shit.
Take away Government's toys.
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
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ScoggDog...
Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the height of moronic, and not in a good way.
I loves ya, but come on, man.
Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (gBShP)
185
This is part of the reason that Trump is pushing so hard the alliance to pay up so that the countries over there done NED our troops to bail them out again.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (Bdeb0)
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>>So along comes Trump and, see, I keep hearing what a con man and charlatan he is and I can't help but noticing that he's actually doing what he said.
So. You know. Our Betters can suck start a Harley.
Threadwinner!
So. You know. Our Betters can suck start a Harley.
Threadwinner!
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (W+vEI)
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So. You know. Our Betters can suck start a Harley.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (dEQP3)
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We will use them to muffle the obnoxious sounds of the Harleys.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (dEQP3)
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We will use them to muffle the obnoxious sounds of the Harleys.
Posted by: George Patant at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (5NMZN)
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These treaties have always been worthless - ask the Poles about their treaties with England and France when WW2 started. Inferno by Max Hastings is an excellent read on that sham.
Posted by: rammajamma at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (AjNMO)
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If Montenegro attacks Russia we are under no obligation to defend them under Article 5. Trump's example was off base though I understand what he was trying to say.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (L78vw)
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Treaties have always been just a temporary framework until they have to be broken, re-written or withdrawn depending on the changing interest of one or both of the parties.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (L78vw)
Like with Italy in the Great War example. They were allied with Germany and Austria-Hungary for about 30 years before the war, but when the Austrians got all froggy with Serbia (frankly, with good reason), the Italicans decided "Hell no" and reneged on their treaty obligations when the war started. Not long later, they joined the war against their former allies (and got their asses kicked, but that's another story).
Treaties have always been just a temporary framework until they have to be broken, re-written or withdrawn depending on the changing interest of one or both of the parties.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (L78vw)
Like with Italy in the Great War example. They were allied with Germany and Austria-Hungary for about 30 years before the war, but when the Austrians got all froggy with Serbia (frankly, with good reason), the Italicans decided "Hell no" and reneged on their treaty obligations when the war started. Not long later, they joined the war against their former allies (and got their asses kicked, but that's another story).
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (veoSD)
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Montenegro better pay up.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM
Damn right. 2% of a triple digit GDP. We're talking serious numbers here.
Put me back in the cockpit and I'll teach 'em.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM
Damn right. 2% of a triple digit GDP. We're talking serious numbers here.
Put me back in the cockpit and I'll teach 'em.
Posted by: John McCain's Tumma at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (LOgQ4)
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Great piece Ace. Trump was right that NATO is obsolete as it was designed to fight WWII all over again. What would an all out war against Russia look like (hot or cold)? Not very pretty. And putting tanks on the border of Germany doesn't make any sense at all. Our military and the neocons never got beyond WWII strategy/tactics.
There was reason for it, including rearming Germany. It was realized in 1945 that the commitment to keep Europe free was required to be massive. It wasn't refighting WWII. It was being honest about the new situation and danger.
As for its efficacy now, I would agree that the massive Soviet invasion is less likely. Smaller, yet capable actions are possible, and are more likely.
There was reason for it, including rearming Germany. It was realized in 1945 that the commitment to keep Europe free was required to be massive. It wasn't refighting WWII. It was being honest about the new situation and danger.
As for its efficacy now, I would agree that the massive Soviet invasion is less likely. Smaller, yet capable actions are possible, and are more likely.
Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (tqyrn)
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Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
So, just concede the entire world to whatever military wants to take it? I'm not going along with that plan at all.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (jjaLl)
OK ... what part of the world DON'T you want to concede ?
Europe ? Which is dead set on going Muslim ?
South America ? Which is dead set on starving to prove Socialism ?
Africa ? Which is fine with giving White Farmers the death they deserve ?
Middle East ? Where Democracy goes to die ?
Tell me ... I'm dying to know ... which part of the World must we prop up ?
Like I said ... there's a segment of the population that looks at this shit like "Sports !!!". If there's a game being played - we must win. Fuck the cost.
So, just concede the entire world to whatever military wants to take it? I'm not going along with that plan at all.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (jjaLl)
OK ... what part of the world DON'T you want to concede ?
Europe ? Which is dead set on going Muslim ?
South America ? Which is dead set on starving to prove Socialism ?
Africa ? Which is fine with giving White Farmers the death they deserve ?
Middle East ? Where Democracy goes to die ?
Tell me ... I'm dying to know ... which part of the World must we prop up ?
Like I said ... there's a segment of the population that looks at this shit like "Sports !!!". If there's a game being played - we must win. Fuck the cost.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (fiGNd)
194
My friends, you don't have to be afraid of nuclear war over MountTheNegro.
Posted by: John McCain's Tumma at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (LOgQ4)
.............
So that's what Cindy's been up to.
Posted by: John McCain's Tumma at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (LOgQ4)
.............
So that's what Cindy's been up to.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (HgMAr)
195
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (dEQP3)
Lemon bar.
USB port.
In. You. Go...
Lemon bar.
USB port.
In. You. Go...
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:25 PM (NYS7S)
196
The day after tomorrow we make US states out of the Mexican states. Should have done that in the 1800's. We'll need some prisons for the bad hombres.
Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 04:25 PM (O18YC)
197
So. You know. Our Betters can suck start a Harley.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (dEQP3)
I am so hard right now.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (dEQP3)
I am so hard right now.
Posted by: SHEP! at July 18, 2018 04:25 PM (jjaLl)
198
If other countries uphold their NATO obligations, we will uphold ours. Like PAYING WHAT THEY AGREED TO PAY! Now. Not 10 years from now (when a new Prez could let them off the hook).
Justin T. And Canada are gambling they can not pay in and we will still protect them bcz of our proximity. He's probably right. We aren't stupid.
Ya know, we went from not wanting to get involved in either World War, to a country being expected to sacrifice lives under some moral obligation...and pay for everything. Yea...no. For fvcks sake, what has happened to common sense. Let's bring back common sense. I miss it.
Justin T. And Canada are gambling they can not pay in and we will still protect them bcz of our proximity. He's probably right. We aren't stupid.
Ya know, we went from not wanting to get involved in either World War, to a country being expected to sacrifice lives under some moral obligation...and pay for everything. Yea...no. For fvcks sake, what has happened to common sense. Let's bring back common sense. I miss it.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:25 PM (CiCKR)
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My friends, you don't have to be afraid of nuclear war over MountTheNegro.
Posted by: John McCain's Tumma at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (LOgQ4)
No, but you do need to be worry about nuclear rape and nuclear drug selling over MountTheNegro.
Posted by: John McCain's Tumma at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (LOgQ4)
No, but you do need to be worry about nuclear rape and nuclear drug selling over MountTheNegro.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 18, 2018 04:25 PM (9BLnV)
200
I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Or a bay in Jamaica....
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Or a bay in Jamaica....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 04:25 PM (y8Foj)
201
188
These treaties have always been worthless - ask the Poles about their treaties with England and France when WW2 started.
Now that's not true, they mobilized and....sat....but they sure showed them German Bastids what for in 1940!
These treaties have always been worthless - ask the Poles about their treaties with England and France when WW2 started.
Now that's not true, they mobilized and....sat....but they sure showed them German Bastids what for in 1940!
Posted by: Mecha_Hillary_2020 at July 18, 2018 04:25 PM (37IEG)
202
Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
1.Because we will lie and say it was Trump's fault.
2. It will get people who are NOT democrats killed.
Posted by: Winston Smith
Bingo! Back when there was a draft and their constituents were dying, they hated war. Now that it's all volunteer and the majority of combat troops are coming from Traditional America, sure! Bleed 'em dry in every shithole in every hemisphere!
I really, really hate being this cynical. I hate even more the fact that it's probably true.
1.Because we will lie and say it was Trump's fault.
2. It will get people who are NOT democrats killed.
Posted by: Winston Smith
Bingo! Back when there was a draft and their constituents were dying, they hated war. Now that it's all volunteer and the majority of combat troops are coming from Traditional America, sure! Bleed 'em dry in every shithole in every hemisphere!
I really, really hate being this cynical. I hate even more the fact that it's probably true.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at July 18, 2018 04:25 PM (AM1GF)
203
I don't remember the U.S. Senate ratifying that Treaty of Budapest.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:25 PM (3HNOQ)
Posted by: Under Fire at July 18, 2018 04:26 PM (r9UYA)
205
I'd be careful before taking on those Rooskies
Posted by: Mr. Dynomite at July 18, 2018 04:26 PM (TdS5t)
206
These treaties have always been worthless - ask the
Poles about their treaties with England and France when WW2 started.
Posted by: rammajamma at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (AjNMO)
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When Britain and France went to war with Germany?
Poles about their treaties with England and France when WW2 started.
Posted by: rammajamma at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (AjNMO)
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When Britain and France went to war with Germany?
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:26 PM (5NMZN)
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:26 PM (k1TUh)
208
Erdogan is turning turkey into an Islamic dictatorship, pull us out, kick them out of NATO. Israel can take of them with minimum help, if not by themselves.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 18, 2018 04:26 PM (6Ll1u)
209
Mercy! Mounted Negros wouldn't stand a chance against Russian Tanks!
Posted by: MaGoose at July 18, 2018 04:27 PM (0dmP2)
210
I know from Civilization that if your ally attacks another player, the defense pact is broken.
Posted by: Axeman, pretending the video games provide insight at July 18, 2018 04:27 PM (vDqXW)
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193 Tell me ... I'm dying to know ... which part of the World must we prop up ?
Like I said ... there's a segment of the population that looks at this shit like "Sports !!!". If there's a game being played - we must win. Fuck the cost.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (fiGNd)
I don't know. Maybe "Let Putin kill everyone he fucking wants to" isn't the worst idea after all.
Like I said ... there's a segment of the population that looks at this shit like "Sports !!!". If there's a game being played - we must win. Fuck the cost.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (fiGNd)
I don't know. Maybe "Let Putin kill everyone he fucking wants to" isn't the worst idea after all.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:27 PM (UnA8+)
212
Shit ... I forgot ...
Central America ? Shall we save the part of the world dead set on crossing our borders and out-breeding us ?
I'm running out of places to protect here. Help a brother out.
Central America ? Shall we save the part of the world dead set on crossing our borders and out-breeding us ?
I'm running out of places to protect here. Help a brother out.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:27 PM (fiGNd)
213
Take away Government's toys.
Actually, I'm largely OK with that. Europe can/should fend for itself. I'd keep the Navy and Marines, but just about everything else should get chopped to a cadre.
Actually, I'm largely OK with that. Europe can/should fend for itself. I'd keep the Navy and Marines, but just about everything else should get chopped to a cadre.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:27 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 04:28 PM (PA9oZ)
Posted by: Jeff Sessions at July 18, 2018 04:28 PM (LOgQ4)
216
I do hope the unpleasantries don't spill over into Peruvia.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (HaL55)
This business will get out of control, and we will be lucky to live through it!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (HaL55)
This business will get out of control, and we will be lucky to live through it!
Posted by: Admiral Fred Thompson at July 18, 2018 04:28 PM (9chmE)
217
I don't remember the U.S. Senate ratifying that Treaty of Budapest.
A memorandum is more of a suggestion, really.
A memorandum is more of a suggestion, really.
Posted by: Pirate Code at July 18, 2018 04:28 PM (fuK7c)
218
As a result, between 1994 and 1996...
...by the Russian Federation in 2014
(Popeye laugh) Cuck, cuck, cuck. You trusted us!
...by the Russian Federation in 2014
(Popeye laugh) Cuck, cuck, cuck. You trusted us!
Posted by: Dems - For Us, People! at July 18, 2018 04:28 PM (CDGwz)
219
So, has Montenegro advanced to the point where they're using the Macedonian phalanx yet? Or are they still doing spear formations?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:28 PM (37IEG)
220
I haven't been following this. Is Putin threatening Montengero?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2018 04:28 PM (AllCR)
Posted by: Russia at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (HgMAr)
222
I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Or a bay in Jamaica....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018
...
I think it's a liqueur.
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Or a bay in Jamaica....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018
...
I think it's a liqueur.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (CnulY)
223
OK ... what part of the world DON'T you want to concede ?
Europe ? Which is dead set on going Muslim ?
South America ? Which is dead set on starving to prove Socialism ?
Africa ? Which is fine with giving White Farmers the death they deserve ?
Middle East ? Where Democracy goes to die ?
Tell me ... I'm dying to know ... which part of the World must we prop up ?
Like I said ... there's a segment of the population that looks at
this shit like "Sports !!!". If there's a game being played - we must
win. Fuck the cost.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (fiGNd)
All of them. I don't want the world to become split three ways, us, China and Russia. I see that turning into China and Russia vs. us. It just doesn't strike me as the wise path to take. Go to war at the drop of a hat? Fuck no. Take our toys and go home? Nope, fuck that too. There's gotta be a third option. Am I smart enough to figure it out? See the answers to the previous two questions.
Europe ? Which is dead set on going Muslim ?
South America ? Which is dead set on starving to prove Socialism ?
Africa ? Which is fine with giving White Farmers the death they deserve ?
Middle East ? Where Democracy goes to die ?
Tell me ... I'm dying to know ... which part of the World must we prop up ?
Like I said ... there's a segment of the population that looks at
this shit like "Sports !!!". If there's a game being played - we must
win. Fuck the cost.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (fiGNd)
All of them. I don't want the world to become split three ways, us, China and Russia. I see that turning into China and Russia vs. us. It just doesn't strike me as the wise path to take. Go to war at the drop of a hat? Fuck no. Take our toys and go home? Nope, fuck that too. There's gotta be a third option. Am I smart enough to figure it out? See the answers to the previous two questions.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (jjaLl)
224
Erdogan is turning turkey into an Islamic dictatorship, pull us out, kick them out of NATO. Israel can take of them with minimum help, if not by themselves.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
That was talked about until NATO started using it's airbases in Turkey.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
That was talked about until NATO started using it's airbases in Turkey.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (Bdeb0)
225
I know from Civilization that if your ally attacks another player, the defense pact is broken.
Posted by: Axeman, pretending the video games provide insight at July 18, 2018 04:27 PM (vDqXW)
Heh. Whenever I get the Hi! Would you like a defensive pact? I laugh and laugh and laugh and smack the no button really hard.
Posted by: Axeman, pretending the video games provide insight at July 18, 2018 04:27 PM (vDqXW)
Heh. Whenever I get the Hi! Would you like a defensive pact? I laugh and laugh and laugh and smack the no button really hard.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (dEQP3)
226
210 I know from Civilization that if your ally attacks another player, the defense pact is broken."
Ha! My Crossbowman is gonna whup your Axeman!!!
Ha! My Crossbowman is gonna whup your Axeman!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (k1TUh)
227
>>>But, I had not heard we were discussing the provision of a security guarantee for Montenegro.
Just who in the fuck is proposing this lunacy?
There's no link.
...
I added a Background section at the top of the post.
Just who in the fuck is proposing this lunacy?
There's no link.
...
I added a Background section at the top of the post.
Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (PA9oZ)
228
We're apparently unwilling to go to war for Ukraine. Until Trump, we weren't even willing to provide Ukraine with lethal aid with which to defend themselves; but obviously, both before Trump and after Trump, we're not willing to go to actual war for them.
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Shhhh. I'll let you in on a little secret: Obama was a puss.
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Shhhh. I'll let you in on a little secret: Obama was a puss.
Posted by: State Secrets at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (vDqXW)
229
206 Did you miss the part of Poland being overrun while the English and France diddled - they didn't fight until they had to. Okay, France didn't fight at all but that's another story.
Posted by: rammajamma at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (AjNMO)
230
Main Public - "Trump says"
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd57j2kh
Business Insider - Nordic
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yayugrkb
Thehill.com as another one
Main Public - "Trump says"
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd57j2kh
Business Insider - Nordic
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yayugrkb
Thehill.com as another one
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (roQNm)
231
Laters, y'all.
Scogg, I wholeheartedly agree with you about not getting entangled in anyone's BS.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where we will have to show those that wish to do us harm to back the f off.
Meh...those calling for war with Russia are under the delusion that it would be a conventional war, anyways.
Scogg, I wholeheartedly agree with you about not getting entangled in anyone's BS.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where we will have to show those that wish to do us harm to back the f off.
Meh...those calling for war with Russia are under the delusion that it would be a conventional war, anyways.
Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:30 PM (gBShP)
232
It's too bad no one ever warned us off entangling alliances.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 18, 2018 04:30 PM (87EdW)
233
Following the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation in 2014...
I'm looking at all the dates mentioned in the article.
Remind me again why Russia would work against Hillary or Bernie?
I'm looking at all the dates mentioned in the article.
Remind me again why Russia would work against Hillary or Bernie?
Posted by: t-bird at July 18, 2018 04:30 PM (CDGwz)
234
So who got Ukraines' fissile material?
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:30 PM (CnulY)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:30 PM (jjaLl)
236
Can I assume there's someone in Montenegro that pissed George Soros off, requiring American intervention to ensure a return on his investments?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:30 PM (37IEG)
237
Like I said ... there's a segment of the population that looks at this shit like "Sports !!!". If there's a game being played - we must win. Fuck the cost.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (fiGN
-----
I kind of do. If my country gets in a war, then I damned well want to win. But I don't think we should get in the war, 90% of the time.
Most vivid example of this is the LAST TIME WE INVADED THE STUPID BALKANS.
I thought it was the dumbest idea I'd heard. I was a kid, and my dad explained why it was so fuckin' dumb, and he made perfect sense.
But, once in... let's win.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (fiGN
-----
I kind of do. If my country gets in a war, then I damned well want to win. But I don't think we should get in the war, 90% of the time.
Most vivid example of this is the LAST TIME WE INVADED THE STUPID BALKANS.
I thought it was the dumbest idea I'd heard. I was a kid, and my dad explained why it was so fuckin' dumb, and he made perfect sense.
But, once in... let's win.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (UiRxW)
238
"What's a Montenegro?" [pause] "Aren't we not allowed to use terms like that anymore?"
Posted by: Some Retarded Liberterian Candidate at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (Fb9aZ)
239
I'd be careful before taking on those Rooskies
Posted by: Mr. Dynomite at July 18, 2018 04:26 PM (TdS5t)
206 These treaties have always been worthless - ask the
Poles about their treaties with England and France when WW2 started.
Posted by: rammajamma at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (AjNMO)
---------------------
When Britain and France went to war with Germany?
Britain and France went to war over their treaty obligations with Belgium.
Poland was...unfortunate.
Posted by: Mr. Dynomite at July 18, 2018 04:26 PM (TdS5t)
206 These treaties have always been worthless - ask the
Poles about their treaties with England and France when WW2 started.
Posted by: rammajamma at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (AjNMO)
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When Britain and France went to war with Germany?
Britain and France went to war over their treaty obligations with Belgium.
Poland was...unfortunate.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (fuK7c)
240
Fro Montenegro Wiki page:
2. History
2.1 Middle Ages and arrival of the Slavs
Where is Uncle Palp?
2. History
2.1 Middle Ages and arrival of the Slavs
Where is Uncle Palp?
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (HgMAr)
241
225 I know from Civilization that if your ally attacks another player, the defense pact is broken.
Posted by: Axeman, pretending the video games provide insight at July 18, 2018 04:27 PM (vDqXW)
Heh. Whenever I get the Hi! Would you like a defensive pact? I laugh and laugh and laugh and smack the no button really hard.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (dEQP3)
Nerds.
Posted by: Axeman, pretending the video games provide insight at July 18, 2018 04:27 PM (vDqXW)
Heh. Whenever I get the Hi! Would you like a defensive pact? I laugh and laugh and laugh and smack the no button really hard.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (dEQP3)
Nerds.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:32 PM (fuK7c)
242
240 Where is Uncle Palp?
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (HgMAr)
Planning the purgings with the other 3 Slavmen of the Apocalypse : Zod, Putin, and Ovechkin.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (HgMAr)
Planning the purgings with the other 3 Slavmen of the Apocalypse : Zod, Putin, and Ovechkin.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:32 PM (UnA8+)
243
226
210 I know from Civilization that if your ally attacks another player, the defense pact is broken."
Ha! My Crossbowman is gonna whup your Axeman!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (k1TUh)
did someone say crossbowmen? bwaahahahahahahaha
210 I know from Civilization that if your ally attacks another player, the defense pact is broken."
Ha! My Crossbowman is gonna whup your Axeman!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (k1TUh)
did someone say crossbowmen? bwaahahahahahahaha
Posted by: English Longbowmen at July 18, 2018 04:32 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (roQNm)
245
Britain and France went to war over their treaty obligations with Belgium.
Poland was...unfortunate.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (fuK7c)
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Belgium? That was WWI.
Britain and France went to war over their treaty obligations with Belgium.
Poland was...unfortunate.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (fuK7c)
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Belgium? That was WWI.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (5NMZN)
246
The head of Papa Johns just had to resign because he said he wanted to open a franchise in Montenegro.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (k1TUh)
247
I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Or a bay in Jamaica....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018
...
I think it's a liqueur.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (CnulY)
or a fine cigar.
That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Or a bay in Jamaica....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018
...
I think it's a liqueur.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (CnulY)
or a fine cigar.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (HgMAr)
248
Ha! My Crossbowman is gonna whup your Axeman!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (k1TUh)
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That literally scares me.
I've been in a situation where some AI has been screaming through the tech tree, and I see what he has heading toward me and a shock goes through my entire body. It's just that kind of scenario.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:29 PM (k1TUh)
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That literally scares me.
I've been in a situation where some AI has been screaming through the tech tree, and I see what he has heading toward me and a shock goes through my entire body. It's just that kind of scenario.
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (vDqXW)
249
If we call this WWIII, will the young people think this is a video game pronounced Weeeee? Brought to you by Sony.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (6Ll1u)
250
Let me be clear, men have been getting on my nerves lately.
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (r9UYA)
251
I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.
Get with the times, Bub. It's Monte-People-of-Colour. (the 'u' makes it extra special!)
Get with the times, Bub. It's Monte-People-of-Colour. (the 'u' makes it extra special!)
Posted by: t-bird at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (0+2a1)
252
Poland was attacked by Germany and Russia. It was a gang rape.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (L78vw)
253
But I thought Sound = Power?
It does, but it would take an overly longish amount of time to 'splain' it through interpretive dance. Which is the best way to do it so that it will be completely understood within the proper context.
But I thought Sound = Power?
It does, but it would take an overly longish amount of time to 'splain' it through interpretive dance. Which is the best way to do it so that it will be completely understood within the proper context.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (HaL55)
254
Britain and France went to war over their treaty obligations with Belgium.
Poland was...unfortunate.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (fuK7c)
Fair's fair - it was Norway first.
Poland was...unfortunate.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:31 PM (fuK7c)
Fair's fair - it was Norway first.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:34 PM (37IEG)
255
1. Do not assume rational actors with a firm grasp of facts and circumstances.
2. Do not assume current circumstances will remain static unless you change them.
3. Don't start a fight you aren't prepared to win.
That's about all I got here.
2. Do not assume current circumstances will remain static unless you change them.
3. Don't start a fight you aren't prepared to win.
That's about all I got here.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at July 18, 2018 04:34 PM (AM1GF)
256
Blame Tucker Carlson, he started it with a question.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9jno7cl
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (roQNm)
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I normally blame Trump, but I could give blaming Tucker a try....
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9jno7cl
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (roQNm)
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I normally blame Trump, but I could give blaming Tucker a try....
Posted by: Lib at July 18, 2018 04:34 PM (vDqXW)
257
234 So who got Ukraines' fissile material?
Posted by: TexasDan at
My understanding is we did. It was to be shipped to a facility in Ohio for destruction if memory serves me.
Posted by: TexasDan at
My understanding is we did. It was to be shipped to a facility in Ohio for destruction if memory serves me.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:34 PM (Bdeb0)
258
So, has Montenegro advanced to the point where
they're using the Macedonian phalanx yet? Or are they still doing spear
formations?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:28 PM (37IEG)
We've got the green helmets and M16s, already boxed up and on the pallets.
Just give us $800 billion. Easy peasy, done.
they're using the Macedonian phalanx yet? Or are they still doing spear
formations?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:28 PM (37IEG)
We've got the green helmets and M16s, already boxed up and on the pallets.
Just give us $800 billion. Easy peasy, done.
Posted by: Postwar Modernizations-R-Us at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (9chmE)
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A modest proposal to bring us all together (lookin' at you, Scogg):
Dump the Department of Defense.
In it's place, the Department of the Navy, and the Department of War.
The DoN gets the Navy and the Marines, and is under the control of the President.
The DoW gets the Army, and the AF is folded back into it. It doesn't get to play unless there's a Declaration of War, meaning under Congress' control.
I've thought about a proposal for a qualification to be President - you've actually zipped up the body bag of someone in your command, meaning you've seen the elephant.
Unfortunately, that would require a war every generation. Unfortunately unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be a problem.
Dump the Department of Defense.
In it's place, the Department of the Navy, and the Department of War.
The DoN gets the Navy and the Marines, and is under the control of the President.
The DoW gets the Army, and the AF is folded back into it. It doesn't get to play unless there's a Declaration of War, meaning under Congress' control.
I've thought about a proposal for a qualification to be President - you've actually zipped up the body bag of someone in your command, meaning you've seen the elephant.
Unfortunately, that would require a war every generation. Unfortunately unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be a problem.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (ctuyM)
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While I was in college I learned that Montenegro was the land of "tall, dark and handsome."
Any truth to the story?
Any truth to the story?
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (3HNOQ)
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Fighting Eastasia is always required... except when it is Eurasia... honestly, these Socialists are so transparent... the jingoism... it is always from Leftists... by that I mean the Neocons too.. always important to whip up the proles, and all...
Posted by: kraken at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (DpEis)
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And, seriously, there's no link I can find.
Who is proposing this stupid idea for a security guarantee? Is it Trump? Is it Congress? Is it just idiotic press-men?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Montenegro joined NATO last year.
Tucker Carlson asked PDT why his son shouild have to go to Montenegro to defend it from a potential Russian attack.
I think Ace thought we all knew about this.. but I never heard of it.
Who is proposing this stupid idea for a security guarantee? Is it Trump? Is it Congress? Is it just idiotic press-men?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Montenegro joined NATO last year.
Tucker Carlson asked PDT why his son shouild have to go to Montenegro to defend it from a potential Russian attack.
I think Ace thought we all knew about this.. but I never heard of it.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (so+oy)
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Montenegro was the setting for the only good Bond movie, the Daniel Craig version of Casino Royale.
In gratitude they were admitted to NATO last year.
Being in NATO makes them our allies, like Turkey, whom we are sworn to defend.
In gratitude they were admitted to NATO last year.
Being in NATO makes them our allies, like Turkey, whom we are sworn to defend.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (fuK7c)
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I've been in a situation where some AI has been screaming through the tech tree, and I see what he has heading toward me and a shock goes through my entire body. It's just that kind of scenario.
Posted by: Axeman
Remind me another time to pontificate on why I don't trust game AI.
Posted by: Axeman
Remind me another time to pontificate on why I don't trust game AI.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: Rick at July 18, 2018 04:36 PM (kLolX)
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We must attack! History is watching us...
Posted by: John S McCain at July 18, 2018 04:36 PM (0+2a1)
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In the meantime, the unchastened neocons choose to selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we have chosen to ignore those obligations.
This may not sound too big, but Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons, in part, for that security guarantee
This may not sound too big, but Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons, in part, for that security guarantee
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at July 18, 2018 04:36 PM (e8kgV)
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Scogg, I wholeheartedly agree with you about not getting entangled in anyone's BS.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where we will have to show those that wish to do us harm to back the f off.
Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:30 PM (gBShP)
Well ... here's the deal.
History proves ... give a President the Tools to easily intervene in Foreign Affairs ... and he'll find Easy Reasons to use those tools.
Folks - the notions of Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick sounds great. Really does.
But history doesn't show me much of anybody willing to carry that Big Stick and Walk Softly at all.
Show me how much power it takes to Defend This Country, and our Commerce ... and double it.
That's all I feel the need to pay for.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where we will have to show those that wish to do us harm to back the f off.
Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:30 PM (gBShP)
Well ... here's the deal.
History proves ... give a President the Tools to easily intervene in Foreign Affairs ... and he'll find Easy Reasons to use those tools.
Folks - the notions of Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick sounds great. Really does.
But history doesn't show me much of anybody willing to carry that Big Stick and Walk Softly at all.
Show me how much power it takes to Defend This Country, and our Commerce ... and double it.
That's all I feel the need to pay for.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:36 PM (fiGNd)
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John Kerry to the white phone. Will the haughty John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, please pick up the white courtesy phone...
Posted by: SSBN 656 (
I have to remember to not eat Fritos with bean dip while reading comments. It's all over my keyboard! LOL
Posted by: SSBN 656 (
I have to remember to not eat Fritos with bean dip while reading comments. It's all over my keyboard! LOL
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 04:36 PM (oiNtH)
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259 I've thought about a proposal for a qualification to be President - you've actually zipped up the body bag of someone in your command, meaning you've seen the elephant.
Unfortunately, that would require a war every generation. Unfortunately unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be a problem.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (ctuyM)
This comes a bit too close to "The President Must Have a Body Count", and for all the "REMOVE" posturing that goes on around here, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that, if I'm being completely honest.
Unfortunately, that would require a war every generation. Unfortunately unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be a problem.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (ctuyM)
This comes a bit too close to "The President Must Have a Body Count", and for all the "REMOVE" posturing that goes on around here, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that, if I'm being completely honest.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (UnA8+)
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Only Congress can declare war. The Democrats in Congress should introduce a resolution to declare war on Russia, and run on this issue in November. If the American people choose Democrat majorities knowing this is the party's position, then so be it.
It goes without saying that if they're not willing to introduce a declaration of war, they should shut up with the treason talk. Aid and comfort to the enemy requires that we be in a state of war against said enemy.
It goes without saying that if they're not willing to introduce a declaration of war, they should shut up with the treason talk. Aid and comfort to the enemy requires that we be in a state of war against said enemy.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (sIhFA)
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I added a Background section at the top of the post.
I totally misread that as you having added Backgammon to the top of the post.
And on that note, I gotta go get ready for my gig.
Y'all try to behave.
I added a Background section at the top of the post.
I totally misread that as you having added Backgammon to the top of the post.
And on that note, I gotta go get ready for my gig.
Y'all try to behave.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (HaL55)
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I still think California is gonna change the name of the San Andreas Fault to Trump's.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (k1TUh)
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Belgium? That was WWI.
OK, they declared war over Poland. They went to war over Belgium and then France.
OK, they declared war over Poland. They went to war over Belgium and then France.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (fuK7c)
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The head of Papa Johns just had to resign because he said he wanted to open a franchise in Montenegro.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (k1TUh)
I asked somebody in the audience if he was a Montenegro guy...
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (k1TUh)
I asked somebody in the audience if he was a Montenegro guy...
Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (9chmE)
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Poland was attacked by Germany and Russia. It was a gang rape.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp
And was over before France and England could grab a rifle. Poland fought with horses against tanks.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp
And was over before France and England could grab a rifle. Poland fought with horses against tanks.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (Bdeb0)
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Let me be clear, men have been getting on my nerves lately.
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (r9UYA)
Well, you hapless fop, maybe slow down the butt-fucking a little bit? Even candy loses it's appeal when you shove 34 Snickers up yer ass every day.....
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 18, 2018 04:33 PM (r9UYA)
Well, you hapless fop, maybe slow down the butt-fucking a little bit? Even candy loses it's appeal when you shove 34 Snickers up yer ass every day.....
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (jjaLl)
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Hucksterism is word not heard frequently enough in this day and age.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (yQpMk)
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To be perfectly honest, I couldn't find MountTheNegro on a map if my life depended upon it. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate watching Cindy enjoying herself. And a little participation myself by cupping those rather girthy balls during.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't find MountTheNegro on a map if my life depended upon it. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate watching Cindy enjoying herself. And a little participation myself by cupping those rather girthy balls during.
Posted by: John McCain's Tumma at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (LOgQ4)
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I've thought about a proposal for a qualification to be President - you've actually zipped up the body bag of someone in your command, meaning you've seen the elephant.
Heh. No problem.
Heh. No problem.
Posted by: Hillary! at July 18, 2018 04:38 PM (RNno0)
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229 "Okay, France didn't fight at all but that's another story." - actually there were many French soldiers who fought for Germany (and many who fought against). France was essentially on both sides of WWII. As they say, it was complicated. For example, Hitler made a (false) deal with Brittany that they would get their independence if they helped Germany - it didn't work out so well for Brittany (and they still don't have their independence).
Posted by: Tommy at July 18, 2018 04:38 PM (yEAdf)
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This comes a bit too close to "The President Must Have a Body Count", and for all the "REMOVE" posturing that goes on around here, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that, if I'm being completely honest."
Yeah, sadly Hillary would have beaten Trump easily on that criteria.
Yeah, sadly Hillary would have beaten Trump easily on that criteria.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:38 PM (k1TUh)
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83- my apologies- great minds, etc.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 18, 2018 04:38 PM (87EdW)
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263 Montenegro was the setting for the only good Bond movie, the Daniel Craig version of Casino Royale.
In gratitude they were admitted to NATO last year.
Being in NATO makes them our allies, like Turkey, whom we are sworn to defend.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (fuK7c)
Didn't like the version with Woody Allen as the villain, huh?
In gratitude they were admitted to NATO last year.
Being in NATO makes them our allies, like Turkey, whom we are sworn to defend.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (fuK7c)
Didn't like the version with Woody Allen as the villain, huh?
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:38 PM (UnA8+)
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I want to be a forest ranger
Chipmunks are my only danger
I want to go to Yellowstone
Drink some beer and blow some foam
Chipmunks are my only danger
I want to go to Yellowstone
Drink some beer and blow some foam
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 18, 2018 04:38 PM (sIhFA)
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We should put all our nuclear assets under the control of a complex AI that can decide when, if and how to deploy them.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (CnulY)
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America historically has done war correctly... infrequent. We have done well in the past by not willy- nilly sticking our nose in foreign squabbles... at the drop of a hat.
Posted by: kraken at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (DpEis)
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Show me how much power it takes to Defend This Country, and our Commerce ... and double it.
That's all I feel the need to pay for.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:36 PM (fiGNd)
I find it highly ironic I'm now effectively a Vietnam War protestor - to paraphrase - "When the Russians are coming up the road from Gloucester I'll fight".Funny how age makes you see shit you couldn't see before even if your eyes are getting bad.
Show me how much power it takes to Defend This Country, and our Commerce ... and double it.
That's all I feel the need to pay for.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:36 PM (fiGNd)
I find it highly ironic I'm now effectively a Vietnam War protestor - to paraphrase - "When the Russians are coming up the road from Gloucester I'll fight".Funny how age makes you see shit you couldn't see before even if your eyes are getting bad.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (37IEG)
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Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (so+oy)
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Thanks. I see, now. I vividly remember those fools leaving Serbia and the strength they got from that union.
I did not know we let them into NATO.
How monumentally stupid.
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Thanks. I see, now. I vividly remember those fools leaving Serbia and the strength they got from that union.
I did not know we let them into NATO.
How monumentally stupid.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (UiRxW)
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o be perfectly honest, I couldn't find MountTheNegro on a map if my life depended upon it.
Use a bigger bomb. You'll find it.
Use a bigger bomb. You'll find it.
Posted by: John S McCain at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (RNno0)
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In the meantime, the unchastened neocons choose to
selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to
Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we
have chosen to ignore those obligations.
This may not sound too big, but Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons, in part, for that security guarantee
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at July 18, 2018 04:36 PM (e8kgV)
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We did NOT promise to protect Ukraine. We promised not to attack them and also to call the UN Security Council if someone attacked them with nuclear weapons.
selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to
Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we
have chosen to ignore those obligations.
This may not sound too big, but Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons, in part, for that security guarantee
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at July 18, 2018 04:36 PM (e8kgV)
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We did NOT promise to protect Ukraine. We promised not to attack them and also to call the UN Security Council if someone attacked them with nuclear weapons.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (5NMZN)
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Poland was attacked by Germany and Russia. It was a gang rape.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp
And was over before France and England could grab a rifle. Poland fought with horses against tanks.
Posted by: wrg500
Poland lasted longer than France did.
The German high command was concerned that the French would attack the Rhine region, which they were physically capable of doing. They lacked the will or interest to do anything.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp
And was over before France and England could grab a rifle. Poland fought with horses against tanks.
Posted by: wrg500
Poland lasted longer than France did.
The German high command was concerned that the French would attack the Rhine region, which they were physically capable of doing. They lacked the will or interest to do anything.
Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (tqyrn)
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234 So who got Ukraines' fissile material?
Posted by: TexasDan at
My understanding is we did. It was to be shipped to a facility in Ohio for destruction if memory serves me.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:34 PM
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Guarantee you that we did not get it all. A very significant portion walked away before our people ever got there.
Posted by: TexasDan at
My understanding is we did. It was to be shipped to a facility in Ohio for destruction if memory serves me.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:34 PM
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Guarantee you that we did not get it all. A very significant portion walked away before our people ever got there.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (+Dllb)
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Okay. I did a little research. We're back to the fact that Trump's detractor's take him literally but not seriously. Trump thinks out loud.
Let's get out of the way the fact that we will not risk nuclear war over Montenegro. I'm sure they're fine people, hot women, mellow wine, all that shit. Doesn't matter. Nobody's going to get nuked for them. Hell, it was always dodgy whether we'd actually go to nuclear war for the Germans and they actually matter.
The issue is that Trump is asking the questions nobody else asks. His problem is that he asks them out loud and then the MSM freaks out like a meth addict with an African wasp up his anus.
Let's get out of the way the fact that we will not risk nuclear war over Montenegro. I'm sure they're fine people, hot women, mellow wine, all that shit. Doesn't matter. Nobody's going to get nuked for them. Hell, it was always dodgy whether we'd actually go to nuclear war for the Germans and they actually matter.
The issue is that Trump is asking the questions nobody else asks. His problem is that he asks them out loud and then the MSM freaks out like a meth addict with an African wasp up his anus.
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 18, 2018 04:40 PM (RD7QR)
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Russia? No problem. We have fortified phalanxes on hills. Nuke proof unless they destroy our aqueducts and fire burns down city.
Posted by: Montenegro at July 18, 2018 04:40 PM (Evws/)
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This comes a bit too close to "The President Must Have a Body Count", and for all the "REMOVE" posturing that goes on around here, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that, if I'm being completely honest.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM
Absolutely understand, and don't disagree. But I'd like the CinC to have a real understanding of the *personal* costs that will be involved, and weigh them appropriately in the decision-making process.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM
Absolutely understand, and don't disagree. But I'd like the CinC to have a real understanding of the *personal* costs that will be involved, and weigh them appropriately in the decision-making process.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:40 PM (ctuyM)
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find it highly ironic I'm now effectively a Vietnam War protestor - to paraphrase - "When the Russians are coming up the road from Gloucester I'll fight".Funny how age makes you see shit you couldn't see before even if your eyes are getting bad.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (37IEG)
I hope I never get that old and isolated.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (37IEG)
I hope I never get that old and isolated.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:40 PM (L78vw)
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Sooo, North Korea will want security guarantees also for giving up their nukes. How did that work out for the Ukies?
Posted by: Bob at July 18, 2018 04:41 PM (HRTpk)
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286 We should put all our nuclear assets under the control of a complex AI that can decide when, if and how to deploy them."
Yeah, that's it!!! What to call it, hmmm, somehing-NET, I wonder what would work. Something short and easy to say.
Yeah, that's it!!! What to call it, hmmm, somehing-NET, I wonder what would work. Something short and easy to say.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:41 PM (k1TUh)
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Poland was attacked by Germany and Russia. It was a gang rape.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp
And was over before France and England could grab a rifle. Poland fought with horses against tanks.
Posted by: wrg500
Poland lasted longer than France did.
The German high command was concerned that the French would attack
the Rhine region, which they were physically capable of doing. They
lacked the will or interest to do anything.
Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM
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The French were scared spitless in 1939. No way they were ever going to attack Germany.
Poland was attacked by Germany and Russia. It was a gang rape.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp
And was over before France and England could grab a rifle. Poland fought with horses against tanks.
Posted by: wrg500
Poland lasted longer than France did.
The German high command was concerned that the French would attack
the Rhine region, which they were physically capable of doing. They
lacked the will or interest to do anything.
Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM
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The French were scared spitless in 1939. No way they were ever going to attack Germany.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 18, 2018 04:41 PM (+Dllb)
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will our war with Montenegro pit Nero against Archie?
Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 18, 2018 04:41 PM (87EdW)
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And was over before France and England could grab a rifle. Poland fought with horses against tanks.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (Bdeb0)
Nah, they had tanks, the Germans just used theirs better. Not that the German tanks WERE a hell of a lot better at that point. The Germans were planning on invading, the Poles really weren't planning on having to defend until they actually had to defend. And they sure as shit didn't count on Mother Russia hitting them from the east at the same time.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:37 PM (Bdeb0)
Nah, they had tanks, the Germans just used theirs better. Not that the German tanks WERE a hell of a lot better at that point. The Germans were planning on invading, the Poles really weren't planning on having to defend until they actually had to defend. And they sure as shit didn't count on Mother Russia hitting them from the east at the same time.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:41 PM (37IEG)
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I think it is near Albania and the Adriatic Sea.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:41 PM (3HNOQ)
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Being ther super power is nice, and having the world's "reserve currency" has been useful ... BUT the globalist privatized leveraged profits, but socialized their risk (too big to fail/jail).
and many of those globalists are in other countries, which get US to protect hem for "free", or even to be enemies yet get rich with unfair trade. America has been extracted by oligarchs and a lecherous old woman, who take bribes from everyone.
and many of those globalists are in other countries, which get US to protect hem for "free", or even to be enemies yet get rich with unfair trade. America has been extracted by oligarchs and a lecherous old woman, who take bribes from everyone.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 18, 2018 04:41 PM (bT8Z4)
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Tucker Carlson asked PDT why his son shouild have to go to Montenegro to defend it from a potential Russian attack.
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Too late. Attack was 2 minutes ago. Wars over.
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Too late. Attack was 2 minutes ago. Wars over.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:41 PM (HgMAr)
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We should put all our nuclear assets under the control of a complex AI that can decide when, if and how to deploy them."
Yeah, that's it!!! What to call it, hmmm, somehing-NET, I wonder what would work. Something short and easy to say.
Posted by: Tom Servo
I'm waiting Dr. Forbin.
Yeah, that's it!!! What to call it, hmmm, somehing-NET, I wonder what would work. Something short and easy to say.
Posted by: Tom Servo
I'm waiting Dr. Forbin.
Posted by: Colossus at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (tqyrn)
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John Kerry to the white phone. Will the haughty John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, please pick up the white courtesy phone...
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (jjaLl)
You mean to the starting gate, don't you?
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (jjaLl)
You mean to the starting gate, don't you?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (ez9Rh)
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Ukraine's fissile material? It was to be shipped to a facility in Ohio for destruction if memory serves me.
Uh-huh..
Uh-huh..
Posted by: Hilary! at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (RNno0)
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If anyone is driving n Tennessee in the near future, keep an eye on your speed. State Troopers are out in full force on the interstates. I found out the hard way. 88 in a 70. $308.50 fine.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (gC2IV)
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OH MAN SO CLOSE!!!!!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 03:53 PM
Sorry, but there's a reason Fast Attacks have 'Fast' in their name, while Boomers are known as 'Rosie O'Donnells'.
Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (ctuyM)
Oh....OH!!!!! I missed this before..... oh, shit.. fu- what the holy ,/../..... you fu ....
Dammit....... that was funny.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 03:53 PM
Sorry, but there's a reason Fast Attacks have 'Fast' in their name, while Boomers are known as 'Rosie O'Donnells'.
Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (ctuyM)
Oh....OH!!!!! I missed this before..... oh, shit.. fu- what the holy ,/../..... you fu ....
Dammit....... that was funny.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (jjaLl)
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>>Sooo, North Korea will want security guarantees also for giving up their nukes. How did that work out for the Ukies?
Not quite as bad as it did for Libya. We cut out the middle man there and blew the place up ourselves.
Not quite as bad as it did for Libya. We cut out the middle man there and blew the place up ourselves.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (/tuJf)
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If anybody attacks the negro we will pee our pants and shoot a shotgun through the door!
Posted by: Joey Biden at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (vDqXW)
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Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (tqyrn)
France was still enamored with the Maginot line. Fools.
France was still enamored with the Maginot line. Fools.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (L78vw)
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WWIII, will involve space war. Better toys and all that you know.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 18, 2018 04:43 PM (6Ll1u)
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We should put all our nuclear assets under the control of a complex AI that can decide when, if and how to deploy them.
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Do you want to play a game?
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Do you want to play a game?
Posted by: The Morontron 5000 at July 18, 2018 04:43 PM (Evws/)
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France was still enamored with the Maginot line. Fools.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (L78vw)
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Or half of it since the rest wasn't built.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (L78vw)
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Or half of it since the rest wasn't built.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (5NMZN)
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But history doesn't show me much of anybody willing to carry that Big Stick and Walk Softly at all.
To be fair, that phrase comes from Teddy Roosevelt.
One of the things he did was to send a fleet of US battleships, painted white, around the world. People at the time didn't think we could get one battleship around the Cape but he got 12 (?) all the way around the world.
It took two years. At every port of call he was saying "btw, you didn't know America could fuck you up, did you?", because we were thought to be a young and unserious country.
The whole fleet made it back exactly in time for a farewell rally to TR.
TR did not start any wars.
To be fair, that phrase comes from Teddy Roosevelt.
One of the things he did was to send a fleet of US battleships, painted white, around the world. People at the time didn't think we could get one battleship around the Cape but he got 12 (?) all the way around the world.
It took two years. At every port of call he was saying "btw, you didn't know America could fuck you up, did you?", because we were thought to be a young and unserious country.
The whole fleet made it back exactly in time for a farewell rally to TR.
TR did not start any wars.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (fuK7c)
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We missed our chance to form a foreign legion out of the starving Ethiopians and other skinnys in North Africa. I wanted our own Gurkas, loyal only to the President, and forbidden from entering the Western Hemisphere.
An army of tanner skinnier Roy Battys.
An army of tanner skinnier Roy Battys.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (yQpMk)
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No, seriously, is there anybody actually discussing invading Montenegro?
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (RD7QR)
not seriously. I think it's the current go to when dems want to discuss what a warmonger trump is and how he's going to get us all killed
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (RD7QR)
not seriously. I think it's the current go to when dems want to discuss what a warmonger trump is and how he's going to get us all killed
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (8D42x)
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Montenegro joined NATO last year.
Tucker Carlson asked PDT why his son shouild have to go to Montenegro to defend it from a potential Russian attack.
I think Ace thought we all knew about this.. but I never heard of it.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (so+oy)
So we let anyone in now, and no one has to pay money?! NATO seems to mean that the US will sacrifice souls and money to protect everyone else. That's what it is beginning to mean to me.
I want to open a can of whoop ass on so many people. Pretty much everyone in the last 2 Administrations, as well as the clown cabal that was in cahoots with them. Also, the Clintons.
I need a support animal. Now.
Tucker Carlson asked PDT why his son shouild have to go to Montenegro to defend it from a potential Russian attack.
I think Ace thought we all knew about this.. but I never heard of it.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 18, 2018 04:35 PM (so+oy)
So we let anyone in now, and no one has to pay money?! NATO seems to mean that the US will sacrifice souls and money to protect everyone else. That's what it is beginning to mean to me.
I want to open a can of whoop ass on so many people. Pretty much everyone in the last 2 Administrations, as well as the clown cabal that was in cahoots with them. Also, the Clintons.
I need a support animal. Now.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (CiCKR)
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find it highly ironic I'm now effectively a Vietnam War protestor - to
paraphrase - "When the Russians are coming up the road from Gloucester
I'll fight".Funny how age makes you see shit you couldn't see before
even if your eyes are getting bad.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (37IEG)
I hope I never get that old and isolated.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:40 PM (L78vw)
I'm not quite that far. But I understand Scogg's thinking.
Mine is we deploy forward, as we are, but that's because it will keep the explosions from happening on the road to Gloucester. I prefer my explosions when viewed from, say, an ocean away. But we need to stop being the World Police, that's for sure.Unless the world would like to, you know, pony up to keep Pax Americana running, and they don't.
find it highly ironic I'm now effectively a Vietnam War protestor - to
paraphrase - "When the Russians are coming up the road from Gloucester
I'll fight".Funny how age makes you see shit you couldn't see before
even if your eyes are getting bad.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (37IEG)
I hope I never get that old and isolated.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:40 PM (L78vw)
I'm not quite that far. But I understand Scogg's thinking.
Mine is we deploy forward, as we are, but that's because it will keep the explosions from happening on the road to Gloucester. I prefer my explosions when viewed from, say, an ocean away. But we need to stop being the World Police, that's for sure.Unless the world would like to, you know, pony up to keep Pax Americana running, and they don't.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (37IEG)
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Tucker Carlson asked PDT why his son shouild have to go to Montenegro to defend it from a potential Russian attack.
I mean, it's no Peruvia.
I mean, it's no Peruvia.
Posted by: t-bird at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (sd+O2)
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You know, I'm thinking about just how much this crop of neocons fucked us up over the past 25 years with their foreign policy follies.
I remember back int Gulf War I. Remember how Poppy Bush pulled back and didn't go ahead and topple Saddam? At the time, I was against that, and railed against it.
Well, guess what? Poppy and his foreign policy people were right. And they were the adults and the current neoncons were the young bucks. That latter class took over once the older ones retired and died off.
So from Clinton on, our foreign policy has been run by a bunch of incompetent fools. They've squandered our blood and treasure. Given any situation, this bunch will take the worst possible course of action.
Take Iraq. Going in was a big fuck-up. But then, once we were in, getting out was the worst thing to do, leading to ISIS.
These idiots have done nothing but make a mess of it, and they ought to be removed and do nothing but sweep the floors. They might, just might be able to do that without fucking up. Nah, they'd fuck that up too.
You know, I'm thinking about just how much this crop of neocons fucked us up over the past 25 years with their foreign policy follies.
I remember back int Gulf War I. Remember how Poppy Bush pulled back and didn't go ahead and topple Saddam? At the time, I was against that, and railed against it.
Well, guess what? Poppy and his foreign policy people were right. And they were the adults and the current neoncons were the young bucks. That latter class took over once the older ones retired and died off.
So from Clinton on, our foreign policy has been run by a bunch of incompetent fools. They've squandered our blood and treasure. Given any situation, this bunch will take the worst possible course of action.
Take Iraq. Going in was a big fuck-up. But then, once we were in, getting out was the worst thing to do, leading to ISIS.
These idiots have done nothing but make a mess of it, and they ought to be removed and do nothing but sweep the floors. They might, just might be able to do that without fucking up. Nah, they'd fuck that up too.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (8O3HH)
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I really hate this chickenshit "some nameless neocons are saying this thing." Name them and provide links or STFU.
And no, I ain't gonna go looking through the comments to figure out who it was you were too scared to call out.
And no, I ain't gonna go looking through the comments to figure out who it was you were too scared to call out.
Posted by: Eddie at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (FPh9G)
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Those guys would have fought anyone for a monthly bag of rice and safety for their families.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (yQpMk)
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We should put all our nuclear assets under the control of a complex AI that can decide when, if and how to deploy them.
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Do you want to play a game?
Posted by: The Morontron 5000 at July 18, 2018 04:43 PM (Evws/)
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You're mine, bitch!
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Do you want to play a game?
Posted by: The Morontron 5000 at July 18, 2018 04:43 PM (Evws/)
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You're mine, bitch!
Posted by: Pixy at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (vDqXW)
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So, as individuals, what do you say is worth fighting for? And I mean spilling your own, and others blood fighting??
Posted by: kraken at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (DpEis)
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Guarantee you that we did not get it all. A very significant portion walked away before our people ever got there.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
Of course during the time of the Soviet collapse a lot went missing and still is. I have a group of people sitting around me right now who's job is to track down shit like that.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
Of course during the time of the Soviet collapse a lot went missing and still is. I have a group of people sitting around me right now who's job is to track down shit like that.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (Bdeb0)
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Posted by: Southern Perverty Law Center at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (LOgQ4)
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The French were scared spitless in 1939. No way they were ever going to attack Germany.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
Exactly my point.
They physically had the forces, and could have forced several crossings. Most of the Luftwaffe was in Poland. If they had crossed, The German offensive would have had to stop. And by then French forces would be in the Ruhr.
They were scared of everything, and their military leadership knew that they weren't prepared.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
Exactly my point.
They physically had the forces, and could have forced several crossings. Most of the Luftwaffe was in Poland. If they had crossed, The German offensive would have had to stop. And by then French forces would be in the Ruhr.
They were scared of everything, and their military leadership knew that they weren't prepared.
Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (tqyrn)
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Well, since the quickest way from Russia to Montenegro is through Ukraine and Romania, perhaps Trump would technically be going to war over all those countries being invaded.
Posted by: Archer at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (gmo/4)
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286 We should put all our nuclear assets under the control of a complex AI that can decide when, if and how to deploy them."
Yeah, that's it!!! What to call it, hmmm, somehing-NET, I wonder what would work. Something short and easy
...
I think it will be better if the name is an acronym that sounds like a popular burger.
We can have it run lots of war game scenarios.
Yeah, that's it!!! What to call it, hmmm, somehing-NET, I wonder what would work. Something short and easy
...
I think it will be better if the name is an acronym that sounds like a popular burger.
We can have it run lots of war game scenarios.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (CnulY)
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To be perfectly honest, I couldn't find MountTheNegro on a map if my life depended upon it.
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It's right next to Cuckistan.
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It's right next to Cuckistan.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (HgMAr)
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But I'd like the CinC to have a real understanding of the *personal* costs that will be involved, and weigh them appropriately in the decision-making process.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
I'd just be happy to have Presidents with extensive real-world experience of any kind (academics, career politicians, civil service, and lawyers need not apply).
Posted by: Duncanthrax
I'd just be happy to have Presidents with extensive real-world experience of any kind (academics, career politicians, civil service, and lawyers need not apply).
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at July 18, 2018 04:46 PM (AM1GF)
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Nobody move or Montenegro gets it!
Posted by: Sheriff Bart at July 18, 2018 04:46 PM (sd+O2)
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So, as individuals, what do you say is worth fighting for? And I mean spilling your own, and others blood fighting??
Posted by: kraken at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (DpEis)
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Canada
Posted by: kraken at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (DpEis)
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Canada
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:46 PM (5NMZN)
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I remember when we had a journalistic news media that would have reported Montenegro joining NATO. Probably frontpage.
Everyone would have known, and known why.
However, 2017 was TDS.
I hate the slithering snakes of the sewage media.
Everyone would have known, and known why.
However, 2017 was TDS.
I hate the slithering snakes of the sewage media.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:46 PM (CiCKR)
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Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (37IEG)
Agree. Every military action should be based on only one thing . How is it in the interest of America now and the foreseeable future.
Agree. Every military action should be based on only one thing . How is it in the interest of America now and the foreseeable future.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:46 PM (L78vw)
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332 I think it will be better if the name is an acronym that sounds like a popular burger.
We can have it run lots of war game scenarios.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (CnulY)
But what would W.H.A.T.A.B.U.R.G.E.R. stand for?
We can have it run lots of war game scenarios.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (CnulY)
But what would W.H.A.T.A.B.U.R.G.E.R. stand for?
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:46 PM (UnA8+)
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Didn't like the version with Woody Allen as the villain, huh?
Posted by: Hikaru
See? I added "the Daniel Craig version" specifically because I knew some smartass would mention Woody Allen.
I knew, of course, that that wouldn't work.
Posted by: Hikaru
See? I added "the Daniel Craig version" specifically because I knew some smartass would mention Woody Allen.
I knew, of course, that that wouldn't work.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (fuK7c)
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TR did not start any wars.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (fuK7c)
A lovely story indeed.
And if you personally feel the need to spread American Exceptionalism around the Globe ... please do so.
Personally. And on your own dime.
I'm tired of hearing about my Global Obligations. Knock this shit out of the park without me or mine.
That's not a request.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (fuK7c)
A lovely story indeed.
And if you personally feel the need to spread American Exceptionalism around the Globe ... please do so.
Personally. And on your own dime.
I'm tired of hearing about my Global Obligations. Knock this shit out of the park without me or mine.
That's not a request.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (fiGNd)
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Crna Gora je Jugoslavja. Jugoslavja je Serbja.
That is all.
McCain is up to his eyeballs in the whole Montenegro thing. An influx of Albanians *spit * has changed the demographics there.
That is all.
McCain is up to his eyeballs in the whole Montenegro thing. An influx of Albanians *spit * has changed the demographics there.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (fA1SL)
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Nah, they had tanks, the Germans just used theirs better. Not that the German tanks WERE a hell of a lot better at that point. The Germans were planning on invading, the Poles really weren't planning on having to defend until they actually had to defend. And they sure as shit didn't count on Mother Russia hitting them from the east at the same time.
Posted by: DamnedYankee
Yes that had a few WWi vintage tanks. But still relied heavily on cavalry.
Posted by: DamnedYankee
Yes that had a few WWi vintage tanks. But still relied heavily on cavalry.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (Bdeb0)
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I think it will be better if the name is an acronym that sounds like a popular burger.
We can have it run lots of war game scenarios.
Posted by: TexasDan
Nah. It should be a big name...a name that screams "colossal"...
We can have it run lots of war game scenarios.
Posted by: TexasDan
Nah. It should be a big name...a name that screams "colossal"...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (AM1GF)
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Or half of it since the rest wasn't built.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (5NMZN)
Just the half the Germans went through! Such a picky person!
Besides NO ONE will ever launch an offensive through the Ardenne Forest!
Or half of it since the rest wasn't built.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (5NMZN)
Just the half the Germans went through! Such a picky person!
Besides NO ONE will ever launch an offensive through the Ardenne Forest!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (37IEG)
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Absolutely understand, and don't disagree. But I'd like the CinC to have a real understanding of the *personal* costs that will be involved, and weigh them appropriately in the decision-making process.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:40 PM (ctuyM)
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I think we are fortunate, at this time, to have a President in office that would consider the personal costs involved in military actions more than at any other time in the last 30 years. And this from someone without a military background.
I fear that next time around we won't.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:40 PM (ctuyM)
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I think we are fortunate, at this time, to have a President in office that would consider the personal costs involved in military actions more than at any other time in the last 30 years. And this from someone without a military background.
I fear that next time around we won't.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 04:48 PM (yJ9Jf)
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So we let anyone in now, and no one has to pay money?! NATO seems to mean that the US will sacrifice souls and money to protect everyone else.
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Yeah. I can't believe I missed the fact that Montenegro came into NATO. I should have been screaming bloody murder. Whatever you do, don't allow Balkan splinter republics into your military pact. It's so, so dumb. Especially when the situation is Serbs who can't even get along with the other Serbs.
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Yeah. I can't believe I missed the fact that Montenegro came into NATO. I should have been screaming bloody murder. Whatever you do, don't allow Balkan splinter republics into your military pact. It's so, so dumb. Especially when the situation is Serbs who can't even get along with the other Serbs.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:48 PM (UiRxW)
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I had an uncle with a 74 Mercury Montego. What a yacht. Sweet ride.
Posted by: dananjcon at July 18, 2018 04:48 PM (xqfqx)
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An influx of Albanians *spit * has changed the demographics there.
In fairness, young Albanian girls are quire fetching, mustache aside.
In fairness, young Albanian girls are quire fetching, mustache aside.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 04:49 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 18, 2018 04:49 PM (Evws/)
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France was still enamored with the Maginot line. Fools.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM
The Maginot line performed its designed function perfectly - it was never attacked, much less breached. One could say it stopped Teh Jerries cold.
There's still a lesson there ... somewhere the sun shines on tzu.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM
The Maginot line performed its designed function perfectly - it was never attacked, much less breached. One could say it stopped Teh Jerries cold.
There's still a lesson there ... somewhere the sun shines on tzu.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:49 PM (ctuyM)
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Well, the movie didn't have Brian Dennehy in it so it couldn't have been very good
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at July 18, 2018 04:50 PM (TN1P5)
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>>I had an uncle with a 74 Mercury Montego.
A Winnebago. Hell a herd of Winnebagos, we're giving them away!
A Winnebago. Hell a herd of Winnebagos, we're giving them away!
Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2018 04:50 PM (/tuJf)
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I know some Albanian Catholics... I have had long conversations with them about Muzzies.... let me just say that my views are oh so moderate, compared to theirs... of course, they have real skin in the game...
Posted by: kraken at July 18, 2018 04:50 PM (DpEis)
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Albanians *spit * has changed the demographics there.
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OK, you know better about this - I don't count Montenegrin as a people - they are Serb to me. If I'm wrong let me know, but I thought Albanians were only a handful...
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OK, you know better about this - I don't count Montenegrin as a people - they are Serb to me. If I'm wrong let me know, but I thought Albanians were only a handful...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:51 PM (UiRxW)
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Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 04:44 PM (8O3HH)
Unfortunately you have the upper hand in the debate because we will never know what would have occurred had we not gone into Iraq and Saddam continued to violate all 17 UN resolutions . Because we eliminated that scenario.
Unfortunately you have the upper hand in the debate because we will never know what would have occurred had we not gone into Iraq and Saddam continued to violate all 17 UN resolutions . Because we eliminated that scenario.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:51 PM (L78vw)
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Well, since the quickest way from Russia to Montenegro is through Ukraine and Romania,
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don't go too quick or you'll miss it entirely.
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don't go too quick or you'll miss it entirely.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:51 PM (HgMAr)
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Concerning Ukraine: The Crimean peninsula was part of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic until Nikita Kruschev (remember him) gave it to the Ukraine. Can anyone tell me exactly when Ukraine was an independent state prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union? Probably not because it never was. It was either part of Imperial Russia, Poland or the Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania, or part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Look it up people. There are hundreds and hundreds of years of history behind all this shit.
Posted by: Kim Jong-fu at July 18, 2018 04:51 PM (artIV)
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7 So, as individuals, what do you say is worth fighting for? And I mean spilling your own, and others blood fighting??
Posted by: kraken at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (DpEis)
Covfefe, donuts, butter, half and half. Electricity, A/C, central heating, hot showers. Clean water and food. Comfy bed. Safety and security.
Choo, choo Motherfucker!
(Luv ya kraken; just my present mood.)
Posted by: kraken at July 18, 2018 04:45 PM (DpEis)
Covfefe, donuts, butter, half and half. Electricity, A/C, central heating, hot showers. Clean water and food. Comfy bed. Safety and security.
Choo, choo Motherfucker!
(Luv ya kraken; just my present mood.)
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:51 PM (CiCKR)
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Just the half the Germans went through! Such a picky person!
Besides NO ONE will ever launch an offensive through the Ardenne Forest!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (37IEG)
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Maginot wanted the fortifications to extend to the coast. As a cost saving measure, France decided to rely on a forest and Belgian frontier fortifications. Other than a small diversionary attack, the Germans wisely chose to avoid the fortifications.
Besides NO ONE will ever launch an offensive through the Ardenne Forest!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (37IEG)
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Maginot wanted the fortifications to extend to the coast. As a cost saving measure, France decided to rely on a forest and Belgian frontier fortifications. Other than a small diversionary attack, the Germans wisely chose to avoid the fortifications.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:51 PM (5NMZN)
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Serbs! The Serbs will stop them!
Posted by: Archer at July 18, 2018 04:52 PM (gmo/4)
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#336 Thank you, Undocumented.
Posted by: andycanuck at July 18, 2018 04:52 PM (Evws/)
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I need a support animal. Now.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel
I thought you were a support animal. I've always wanted a support platypus.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel
I thought you were a support animal. I've always wanted a support platypus.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:52 PM (fuK7c)
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336 So, as individuals, what do you say is worth fighting for? And I mean spilling your own, and others blood fighting?? "
Convincing fanboys that Disney has totally killed the SW franchise now. I mean you gotta have priorities.
Convincing fanboys that Disney has totally killed the SW franchise now. I mean you gotta have priorities.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:52 PM (k1TUh)
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Shows what happens when a kraken interacts with a platypus......
Posted by: kraken at July 18, 2018 04:52 PM (DpEis)
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So, as individuals, what do you say is worth fighting for? And I mean spilling your own, and others blood fighting??
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Liberty. Full stop.
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Liberty. Full stop.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:53 PM (UiRxW)
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The Maginot line performed its designed function perfectly - it was never attacked, much less breached. One could say it stopped Teh Jerries cold.
Germany didn't have to. They just went around it and left it to die on the vine so to speak.
Germany didn't have to. They just went around it and left it to die on the vine so to speak.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:53 PM (Bdeb0)
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short
and fat
and old and ugly
the girl from Montenegro goes walking
and when she does no one goes gawking
at allllll....
and fat
and old and ugly
the girl from Montenegro goes walking
and when she does no one goes gawking
at allllll....
Posted by: DanMan at July 18, 2018 04:53 PM (QMG5F)
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Yes that had a few WWi vintage tanks. But still relied heavily on cavalry.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (Bdeb0)
The Germans were also using mounted troops. Check it out, the consistent 'charging cavalry against tanks' is a myth. Come on guys, the Poles weren't stupid enough to think that was a winning strategy. They already knew better.
Everyone knew better. Machine guns did away with effective cavalry use as an offensive weapon. It didn't take Polish cavalry to demonstrate that.
That was one charge at Krojanty, and if you look at the reasons why it sorta made sense. But the dead troopers allowed the Germans to play it up for the propaganda value.
Yes that had a few WWi vintage tanks. But still relied heavily on cavalry.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:47 PM (Bdeb0)
The Germans were also using mounted troops. Check it out, the consistent 'charging cavalry against tanks' is a myth. Come on guys, the Poles weren't stupid enough to think that was a winning strategy. They already knew better.
Everyone knew better. Machine guns did away with effective cavalry use as an offensive weapon. It didn't take Polish cavalry to demonstrate that.
That was one charge at Krojanty, and if you look at the reasons why it sorta made sense. But the dead troopers allowed the Germans to play it up for the propaganda value.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:54 PM (37IEG)
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If anyone is driving n Tennessee in the near future, keep an eye on your speed. State Troopers are out in full force on the interstates. I found out the hard way. 88 in a 70. $308.50 fine.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (gC2IV)
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Ouch. The 50 cents is a nice touch.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 18, 2018 04:42 PM (gC2IV)
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Ouch. The 50 cents is a nice touch.
Posted by: bluebell at July 18, 2018 04:55 PM (JJZzu)
371
Unbelievable that this "Russia Invaded Ukraine" nonsense is being spouted. There is ZERO evidence for it, and continuing to spew it simply supports the NeoCons even more.
Posted by: Mr. Stiv at July 18, 2018 04:55 PM (Z1CYw)
Posted by: DanMan at July 18, 2018 04:55 PM (QMG5F)
373
I thought you were a support animal. I've always wanted a support platypus.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Poisonous barbs.
It's the sort of support animal that supports you by keeping you healthy and moving quickly or you get the poisonous leg barb attack.
I thought you were a support animal. I've always wanted a support platypus.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Poisonous barbs.
It's the sort of support animal that supports you by keeping you healthy and moving quickly or you get the poisonous leg barb attack.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:55 PM (CnulY)
374
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:49 PM (ctuyM)
You'd think the French would have at least considered the Germans might attack through the Ardennes since they did it once before. As I said, fools. And it ain't 20/20 hindsight.
You'd think the French would have at least considered the Germans might attack through the Ardennes since they did it once before. As I said, fools. And it ain't 20/20 hindsight.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM (L78vw)
375
366 So, as individuals, what do you say is worth fighting for? And I mean spilling your own, and others blood fighting??
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Liberty. Full stop."
Vice in the pursuit of Liberty is not so extreme.
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Liberty. Full stop."
Vice in the pursuit of Liberty is not so extreme.
Posted by: Goldwater's drunken ghost at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM (k1TUh)
376
Not interested in ever getting into another war unless involves an invasion on American soil.
Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM (uc45P)
377
Maginot
wanted the fortifications to extend to the coast. As a cost saving
measure, France decided to rely on a forest and Belgian frontier
fortifications. Other than a small diversionary attack, the Germans
wisely chose to avoid the fortifications.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:51 PM (5NMZN)
And the Belgian forts at the crossing were gone in short order. The German break through at Sedan screwed the allied plan and caught them flat footed north of where they needed to be.
wanted the fortifications to extend to the coast. As a cost saving
measure, France decided to rely on a forest and Belgian frontier
fortifications. Other than a small diversionary attack, the Germans
wisely chose to avoid the fortifications.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:51 PM (5NMZN)
And the Belgian forts at the crossing were gone in short order. The German break through at Sedan screwed the allied plan and caught them flat footed north of where they needed to be.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM (37IEG)
378
I had a Dodge Monaco years ago. I swear it was produced for the Mafia considering how many bodies you could fit in the trunk.
Oh, Montenegro?
Oh, Montenegro?
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (oiNtH)
379
I've gotten older and crankier. I'd pick up a rifle if Texas were invaded by a foreign army. That's it, pretty much. This country doesn't do war well. I've grown tired of its general pattern of: (1) attack country of third-world savages; and (2) lose. I don't view it as my obligation to fight for Montenegrans or in undeclared wars we have no intention of winning.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (1b+5Z)
380
My girl from Nicaragua asked me the other day if the US would get involved there.
Told her the US is tired of being told we need to fix everybody's problems.
Now, when Trump declares the Imperial Republic, we will solve the worlds problems, sure.
Price starts at 20% of that countries GDP for 10 years.
Told her the US is tired of being told we need to fix everybody's problems.
Now, when Trump declares the Imperial Republic, we will solve the worlds problems, sure.
Price starts at 20% of that countries GDP for 10 years.
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (TN1P5)
381
Not interested in ever getting into another war unless involves an invasion on American soil.
Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM
Never happen, amigo.
Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM
Never happen, amigo.
Posted by: Mexicans Everywhere at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (LOgQ4)
382
355. Montenegrins are a sub-population of Serbs. Balkan peoples are like that. Albanians aren't a huge part of the population, but their presence - and hatred for Serbia - was enough to swing the balance for indepence in 2006, esp when there were widespread cases of suppression of Pro-Jugo Serbs and the usual Balkan argy-bargy.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 04:58 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:58 PM (UiRxW)
384
Trolls are rather full of themselves today.
I think it's because Ace said "fulminating" in his post.
I think it's because Ace said "fulminating" in his post.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:58 PM (CnulY)
385
To those of us who enlisted in the 80's this war in Europe war with Russia talk is very depressing.
We spent all the time and treasure winning a cold war only to restart it thirty years later.
And for what? Russians being Russian? The Russians Have been expansionist since Peter the Great and aggressive spies since the 1920s.
Germany has let their forces degrade so much The Texas Militia could overrun them in a weekend and still have time for beer and BBQ on the Rhine.
If we could hand Germany and France to Russia and keep Poland I would make that trade.
We spent all the time and treasure winning a cold war only to restart it thirty years later.
And for what? Russians being Russian? The Russians Have been expansionist since Peter the Great and aggressive spies since the 1920s.
Germany has let their forces degrade so much The Texas Militia could overrun them in a weekend and still have time for beer and BBQ on the Rhine.
If we could hand Germany and France to Russia and keep Poland I would make that trade.
Posted by: Big V at July 18, 2018 04:58 PM (ZvLtE)
386
374
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:49 PM (ctuyM)
You'd think the French would have at least considered the Germans
might attack through the Ardennes since they did it once before. As I
said, fools. And it ain't 20/20 hindsight.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM (L78vw)
And then the Allies REPEATED the idocy in '44 by thinly screening the Ardenne with refits and new troops.
By then the Germans were kinda old hands at using the Ardenne forest as an invasion route.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 04:49 PM (ctuyM)
You'd think the French would have at least considered the Germans
might attack through the Ardennes since they did it once before. As I
said, fools. And it ain't 20/20 hindsight.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM (L78vw)
And then the Allies REPEATED the idocy in '44 by thinly screening the Ardenne with refits and new troops.
By then the Germans were kinda old hands at using the Ardenne forest as an invasion route.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:58 PM (37IEG)
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Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 04:58 PM (fA1SL)
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Got it. Swing vote for that foolishness.
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Got it. Swing vote for that foolishness.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:59 PM (UiRxW)
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 04:59 PM (vDqXW)
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Posted by: DamnedYankee
It was a last resort they had nothing left. You have to remember Poland didn't existed till 1918. They had nothing to fight with. Easy pickings.
It was a last resort they had nothing left. You have to remember Poland didn't existed till 1918. They had nothing to fight with. Easy pickings.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:59 PM (Bdeb0)
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Maginot wanted the fortifications to extend to the coast. As a cost saving measure, France decided to rely on a forest and Belgian frontier fortifications.
I think -- and this is one of the times that I might be actually mistaken, but I'm going with it -- I think the reason the French did not extend the Maginot Line to the coast was that it would be a perceived insult to the Belgians.
If you build the wall against Belgium that's like saying hey Belgium, we don't think you can hold your own against the Bosch. And that would be rude.
I think -- and this is one of the times that I might be actually mistaken, but I'm going with it -- I think the reason the French did not extend the Maginot Line to the coast was that it would be a perceived insult to the Belgians.
If you build the wall against Belgium that's like saying hey Belgium, we don't think you can hold your own against the Bosch. And that would be rude.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:59 PM (fuK7c)
391
More: How About Turkey? Are We Willing to Really Go to War on Behalf of the Islamist Country and NATO Member Turkey?
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I can't think of anyone in NATO I'm particularly interested in maintaining relations with, if we're being honest here.
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I can't think of anyone in NATO I'm particularly interested in maintaining relations with, if we're being honest here.
Posted by: Methos at July 18, 2018 05:00 PM (XQvuQ)
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It was a last resort they had nothing left. You have to remember Poland didn't existed till 1918. They had nothing to fight with. Easy pickings.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:59 PM (Bdeb0)
They beat back the early Soviets in 1920-21.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:59 PM (Bdeb0)
They beat back the early Soviets in 1920-21.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:00 PM (y8Foj)
393
Not interested in ever getting into another war unless involves an invasion on American soil.
Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM
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Never happen, amigo.
Posted by: Mexicans Everywhere at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM
Si.
Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 18, 2018 04:56 PM
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Never happen, amigo.
Posted by: Mexicans Everywhere at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM
Si.
Posted by: Poor us border crossers at July 18, 2018 05:01 PM (ctuyM)
394
We have to defend them! Their main exports are non-ferrous metals, rap music and lawn jockeys!
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 05:01 PM (HgMAr)
395
So, as individuals, what do you say is worth fighting for?
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The US can't get involved in another foreign war as long as we are divided by ideology. As long as half the population thinks the other half is their enemy, we can't do anything until that division is resolved.
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The US can't get involved in another foreign war as long as we are divided by ideology. As long as half the population thinks the other half is their enemy, we can't do anything until that division is resolved.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 05:01 PM (roQNm)
396
I had a Dodge Monaco years ago. I swear it was produced for the Mafia considering how many bodies you could fit in the trunk.
Oh, Montenegro?
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (oiNtH)
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What was your record?
Oh, Montenegro?
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (oiNtH)
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What was your record?
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:01 PM (vDqXW)
397
Ace: "How about talking about the obligations we're currently in default of honoring, neocons?"
They don't because they're paid to write and speak about thought pieces for their employers who then sell ads. For the actual politicians, it's even less honorable because it's about mouthing words to keep on the government dole and retain powers of authority. This isn't, for the most part, about actual policy and principles; it is, for the most part, about producing product which is simply words for sale. They're all about committing others to do their principles, however, because it don't cost nuthin' to them.
They don't because they're paid to write and speak about thought pieces for their employers who then sell ads. For the actual politicians, it's even less honorable because it's about mouthing words to keep on the government dole and retain powers of authority. This isn't, for the most part, about actual policy and principles; it is, for the most part, about producing product which is simply words for sale. They're all about committing others to do their principles, however, because it don't cost nuthin' to them.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at July 18, 2018 05:01 PM (6eEQ+)
Posted by: The Morontron 5000 at July 18, 2018 05:01 PM (Evws/)
399
Brattleboro wants to thank Presdent Obama and John Commey for everything they had be done to help us get rid of the liar Trump . Thank you and we still love you and yor loverly wife Micheall
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at July 18, 2018 05:01 PM (qM84C)
400
I thought you were a support animal. I've always wanted a support platypus.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
We are bewy (sic) cute. It's best to have a puddle of platypuses for support. I go rogue sometimes....being on the gorilla channel and all.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
We are bewy (sic) cute. It's best to have a puddle of platypuses for support. I go rogue sometimes....being on the gorilla channel and all.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 05:01 PM (CiCKR)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
402
face it, if we're gonna be serious, wars with big bunches of troops marching around and tanks, etc, are a thing of the past. Technology is too good, and favors the defense too much now. We haven't even begun to explore what drones can do - imagine a wave of 1000 small, cheap drones, each carrying 5 kg of high explosive with a radio controlled detonator (or an impact detonator, if you like) Who's going to move a column of troops and vehicles against that?
And that's just one of 1,000 new techs that could be deployed in a future conflict. They'll happen, of course, but they won't look like anything we've had in the past.
And that's just one of 1,000 new techs that could be deployed in a future conflict. They'll happen, of course, but they won't look like anything we've had in the past.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (k1TUh)
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Why should we defend countries who do not live up their contract?
If NATO allies do not supply their required 2% GDP for defense is the alliance null and void with said country after a certain point and time.
Also does a NATO country not providing aid to another NATO country when asked cause the same null and void status. Of course I am thinking of Turkey who refused to allow U.S. forces to use their country during the Iraq War.
This is what I notice from the Neocon / Never Trump crowd: They always demand America live up to its end of a contract, but never demand the foreign nation do the same.
It is not just military alliances either, they do the same on trade agreement and other international agreements.
It gives me, and I am sure others, the impression that they are not loyal to the United States, but to some idiotic notion of a international community. They are globalists first, and American second.
Most NATO countries are not living up to their commitments, and some have actually become hostiles to the United States. It is time to review and replace it with something more reasonable and realistic.
If NATO allies do not supply their required 2% GDP for defense is the alliance null and void with said country after a certain point and time.
Also does a NATO country not providing aid to another NATO country when asked cause the same null and void status. Of course I am thinking of Turkey who refused to allow U.S. forces to use their country during the Iraq War.
This is what I notice from the Neocon / Never Trump crowd: They always demand America live up to its end of a contract, but never demand the foreign nation do the same.
It is not just military alliances either, they do the same on trade agreement and other international agreements.
It gives me, and I am sure others, the impression that they are not loyal to the United States, but to some idiotic notion of a international community. They are globalists first, and American second.
Most NATO countries are not living up to their commitments, and some have actually become hostiles to the United States. It is time to review and replace it with something more reasonable and realistic.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (MuTTO)
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I don't view it as my obligation to fight for Montenegrans or in undeclared wars we have no intention of winning.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (1b+5Z)
Pretty much this. Not that they're gonna draft me. Might happen I guess if someone does invade Texas. But they won't have to draft me in that case. I can reload magazines and sling supply crates as well as the next old guy.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (1b+5Z)
Pretty much this. Not that they're gonna draft me. Might happen I guess if someone does invade Texas. But they won't have to draft me in that case. I can reload magazines and sling supply crates as well as the next old guy.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (37IEG)
405
I would go to war for Turkey.
Posted by: Lena Dunham at July 18, 2018 05:03 PM (rv0Fo)
406
I had a Dodge Monaco years ago. I swear it was produced for the Mafia considering how many bodies you could fit in the trunk.
Oh, Montenegro?
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (oiNtH)
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What was your record?
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018
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Hey baby, let's get in the trunk.
You mean the back seat?
No, the trunk. This is a Montenegro!
Oh, Montenegro?
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 04:57 PM (oiNtH)
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What was your record?
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018
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Hey baby, let's get in the trunk.
You mean the back seat?
No, the trunk. This is a Montenegro!
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 05:03 PM (CnulY)
407
Trolls are rather full of themselves today.
I think it's because Ace said "fulminating" in his post.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:58 PM
Dang. I thought he said "early night".
I think it's because Ace said "fulminating" in his post.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 04:58 PM
Dang. I thought he said "early night".
Posted by: B. Wynn at July 18, 2018 05:03 PM (ctuyM)
408
>>The US can't get involved in another foreign war as long as we are divided by ideology. As long as half the population thinks the other half is their enemy, we can't do anything until that division is resolved.
Also, I don't want to get into any more wars unless we agree that we want to WIN, and the military is allowed to do what it takes to WIN. "Just muscular enough to not be mocked" and "leading from behind" is an absolute waste of precious American lives.
Also, I don't want to get into any more wars unless we agree that we want to WIN, and the military is allowed to do what it takes to WIN. "Just muscular enough to not be mocked" and "leading from behind" is an absolute waste of precious American lives.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 05:03 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 05:04 PM (c+2jX)
410
So we let anyone in now, and no one has to pay money?! NATO seems to
mean that the US will sacrifice souls and money to protect everyone
else. That's what it is beginning to mean to me.
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Yes. Exactly.
Plus... only republican kids join the service, so really, we'll only be killing republican voters, who are sub human, while importing beloved brown muslims who will vote democrat for life. Or until we can get a good election rigging system in place.
So yeah, it's all good baby!
mean that the US will sacrifice souls and money to protect everyone
else. That's what it is beginning to mean to me.
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Yes. Exactly.
Plus... only republican kids join the service, so really, we'll only be killing republican voters, who are sub human, while importing beloved brown muslims who will vote democrat for life. Or until we can get a good election rigging system in place.
So yeah, it's all good baby!
Posted by: War Mongering Democrats who know Moar War means the opportunity to steal and destory evidence at July 18, 2018 05:04 PM (AHNMM)
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 05:05 PM (Bdeb0)
412
One of the funniest clips I saw recently was a BBC reporter asking a Poland official if they didn't have a moral obligation to help the migrants. Without hesitation, he said 'No.' Then the clip ended. I was rofl.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 05:05 PM (CiCKR)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 18, 2018 05:05 PM (CIRpK)
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Maginot wanted the fortifications to extend to
the coast. As a cost saving measure, France decided to rely on a forest
and Belgian frontier fortifications.
I think -- and this is one of the times that I might be actually
mistaken, but I'm going with it -- I think the reason the French did not
extend the Maginot Line to the coast was that it would be a perceived
insult to the Belgians.
If you build the wall against Belgium that's like saying hey
Belgium, we don't think you can hold your own against the Bosch. And
that would be rude.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:59 PM (fuK7c)
Close. The French and Belgians had an agreement that the Maginot line was to "join" a Belgian equivalent that the Belgians were to build along their border with Germany. However, in the late 1930's the Belgian King declared neutrality and the French didn't have time to finish their line now along the French/Belgian border.
the coast. As a cost saving measure, France decided to rely on a forest
and Belgian frontier fortifications.
I think -- and this is one of the times that I might be actually
mistaken, but I'm going with it -- I think the reason the French did not
extend the Maginot Line to the coast was that it would be a perceived
insult to the Belgians.
If you build the wall against Belgium that's like saying hey
Belgium, we don't think you can hold your own against the Bosch. And
that would be rude.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:59 PM (fuK7c)
Close. The French and Belgians had an agreement that the Maginot line was to "join" a Belgian equivalent that the Belgians were to build along their border with Germany. However, in the late 1930's the Belgian King declared neutrality and the French didn't have time to finish their line now along the French/Belgian border.
Posted by: Archer at July 18, 2018 05:05 PM (gmo/4)
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Gotta go to a different country to get US news:
https://tinyurl.com/kvo44p3
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
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Yeah, this. DailyMail does a very good job reporting news that U.S. outlets spike.
https://tinyurl.com/kvo44p3
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
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Yeah, this. DailyMail does a very good job reporting news that U.S. outlets spike.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 05:06 PM (yJ9Jf)
416
And now - why the push from McCain et al for Montenegrin independence & NATO membership? Because it breaks another piece off from Serbia, which is the enemy of the progs since Clenis' day, because fuck Russia, that's why.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:06 PM (fA1SL)
417
After Lenin purged the Army?
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 05:05 PM (Bdeb0)
The Reds actually used Tsarist era soldiers--with guns at their back.
After Lenin purged the Army?
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 05:05 PM (Bdeb0)
The Reds actually used Tsarist era soldiers--with guns at their back.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:06 PM (y8Foj)
418
The CCC constantly shifts positions, solely to oppose Trump. Whatever he's for, the CCC is against. And whatever he's against, they're fort. Even if it directly contradicts a position they held 3 minutes ago.
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 05:06 PM (c+2jX)
419
Neo-cons. Old childless turkey necked bastards who stand for nothing and believe in nothing, except their social status and next paycheck.
They insist they have principles. Their living depends upon it. They want to read the Bible over you while they fuck you up the ass.
They insist they have principles. Their living depends upon it. They want to read the Bible over you while they fuck you up the ass.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 18, 2018 05:06 PM (ritOW)
420
Gotta go to a different country to get US news:
https://tinyurl.com/kvo44p3
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
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The Lohd do work in mysterious ways!
https://tinyurl.com/kvo44p3
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
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The Lohd do work in mysterious ways!
Posted by: Monty Negro at July 18, 2018 05:07 PM (vDqXW)
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Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (k1TUh)
My three drones carrying a large fishing net like defense will stop you.
My three drones carrying a large fishing net like defense will stop you.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 05:07 PM (L78vw)
422
Someone ask Michael Obama to point out Ukraine on an unmarked globe.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Ukraine? Ask Barky to name the 57 states.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Ukraine? Ask Barky to name the 57 states.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 05:07 PM (sd+O2)
423
Is there a Russian hiding under every Leftists bed waiting to crawl out and grab them to drag them back under?
FBI Special Agent Keven Helson seems to be the next one.
FBI Special Agent Keven Helson seems to be the next one.
Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:07 PM (pHfeF)
424
And that's just one of 1,000 new techs that could be deployed in a future conflict. They'll happen, of course, but they won't look like anything we've had in the past.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (k1TUh)
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It's really not going to be fun when someone figures out how to fly them in a pattern that works well for spraying out aerosols for an air fuel burst. It won't be a 5kg payload either.
And that's just one of 1,000 new techs that could be deployed in a future conflict. They'll happen, of course, but they won't look like anything we've had in the past.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (k1TUh)
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It's really not going to be fun when someone figures out how to fly them in a pattern that works well for spraying out aerosols for an air fuel burst. It won't be a 5kg payload either.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 05:07 PM (CnulY)
425
I will never support another war as long as the treasonous Democrats are gonna be there to fuck it up, whether it's leaking security secrets, cutting and running, changing the rules of engagement. Fuck them.
And if they're the next victims I won't go to war for them either. The days of me fighting for their right to say (or do) anything are over. It will never be worth it.
And if they're the next victims I won't go to war for them either. The days of me fighting for their right to say (or do) anything are over. It will never be worth it.
Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 05:08 PM (rv0Fo)
426
They insist they have principles. Their living depends upon it. They want to read the Bible over you while they fuck you up the ass.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 18, 2018 05:06 PM (ritOW)
The have no class. And they have no principles.
They can't even think of a word that rhymes.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 18, 2018 05:06 PM (ritOW)
The have no class. And they have no principles.
They can't even think of a word that rhymes.
Posted by: Alice Cooper at July 18, 2018 05:08 PM (y8Foj)
427
Posted by: Archer at July 18, 2018 05:05 PM (gmo/4)
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Yep. Belgium pussed out, and welched. And not just the wall. They kept on pussing out, and sticking it to the French. Worked out great for both parties...
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Yep. Belgium pussed out, and welched. And not just the wall. They kept on pussing out, and sticking it to the French. Worked out great for both parties...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 05:08 PM (UiRxW)
428
I Was the Mob Until the Mob Came for Me
Just a few years ago, many of my friends and peers who self-identify as liberals or progressives were open fans of provocative standup comedians such as Sarah Silverman, and shows like South Park. Today, such material is seen as deeply "problematic," or even labeled as hate speech. I went from minding my own business when people told risque jokes to practically fainting when they used the wrong pronoun or expressed a right-of-center view. I went from making fun of the guy who took edgy jokes too seriously, to becoming that guy.
Just a few years ago, many of my friends and peers who self-identify as liberals or progressives were open fans of provocative standup comedians such as Sarah Silverman, and shows like South Park. Today, such material is seen as deeply "problematic," or even labeled as hate speech. I went from minding my own business when people told risque jokes to practically fainting when they used the wrong pronoun or expressed a right-of-center view. I went from making fun of the guy who took edgy jokes too seriously, to becoming that guy.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at July 18, 2018 05:08 PM (e8kgV)
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Why would we go to war for a bunch of Montenegroes?
Posted by: Right Wing Wing caricature in the minds of Leftists at July 18, 2018 05:08 PM (7Fa8Y)
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(376) Looked south lately?
Posted by: ro-man at July 18, 2018 05:09 PM (RuIsu)
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If the U.S. was going to honor a commitment, it should have gone in to Ukraine to protect the pro-Russian, democratically elected government that was overthrown by a eastern Ukrainian mob.
Posted by: Jwest at July 18, 2018 05:09 PM (/roJx)
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The Reds actually used Tsarist era soldiers--with guns at their back.
Posted by: JoeF.
But no leaders of any substance. Peasants with guns. Look for instance what the outnumber Fins did to Russia. or for that matter the Japanese. Russian pre WW2 was a paper tiger at best.
Posted by: JoeF.
But no leaders of any substance. Peasants with guns. Look for instance what the outnumber Fins did to Russia. or for that matter the Japanese. Russian pre WW2 was a paper tiger at best.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 05:10 PM (Bdeb0)
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hy would we go to war for a bunch of Montenegroes?
Posted by: Right Wing Wing caricature in the minds of Leftists at July 18, 2018 05:08 PM (7Fa8Y)
Are they different than the ones who worked in the house or the field?
Posted by: Right Wing Wing caricature in the minds of Leftists at July 18, 2018 05:08 PM (7Fa8Y)
Are they different than the ones who worked in the house or the field?
Posted by: Alice Cooper at July 18, 2018 05:10 PM (y8Foj)
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431. Couldn't do that. It would interfere with EU and Soros and Obama's State Department, who ran that whole op.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:10 PM (fA1SL)
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If the U.S. was going to honor a commitment, it should have gone in to Ukraine to protect the pro-Russian, democratically elected government that was overthrown by a eastern Ukrainian mob.
Posted by: Jwest at July 18, 2018 05:09 PM (/roJx)
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That's just what Paul Manafort would have wanted!
Posted by: Jwest at July 18, 2018 05:09 PM (/roJx)
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That's just what Paul Manafort would have wanted!
Posted by: Tinhat Lib at July 18, 2018 05:11 PM (vDqXW)
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>>>I think it will be better if the name is an acronym that sounds like a popular burger.
Operation McRib coupled with the Hamburglar Gambit is a sure fire winner.
Operation McRib coupled with the Hamburglar Gambit is a sure fire winner.
Posted by: wooga at July 18, 2018 05:11 PM (3Pm7a)
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Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 05:08 PM (rv0Fo)
I can't argue with that sentiment at all. Iraq being the latest example.
I can't argue with that sentiment at all. Iraq being the latest example.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 05:11 PM (L78vw)
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Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:06 PM (fA1SL)
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I get why the Americans supported it, because, yeah... fuck Serbia has been the prevailing attitude.
But I was still shocked when the Montenegrins split.
Why? You're the same people, except the black mountain people don't have any army to speak of, and no resources, or international ties. I never understood the motive.
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I get why the Americans supported it, because, yeah... fuck Serbia has been the prevailing attitude.
But I was still shocked when the Montenegrins split.
Why? You're the same people, except the black mountain people don't have any army to speak of, and no resources, or international ties. I never understood the motive.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 05:12 PM (UiRxW)
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Logical systems begin with a set of clear parameters. Then they are tested in real-world system, to see if the hold together. The ultimate logical system is mathematics. If some concept, function, principle or parameter is mathematics is shown to produce nonsensical results, then it is discarded. Same is tru for all logical systems
But the left has cobbled together a logical system with fundamentally flawed foundational principles. Currently, their premiere logical rule is, "Whatever that guy says, we disagree with on principle." Problem is, first of all, that "that guy" Trump sometimes says things that are true, so you end up disagreeing with the truth. Secondly - and most comically -- "that guy" often says things that contradict his previous statements, so you end up disagreeing with yourself. And thirdly (as in this case), he says things that are identical to what you yourself have previously said, so you end being being inconsistent over time.
Leftist logic: codified nonsense.
But the left has cobbled together a logical system with fundamentally flawed foundational principles. Currently, their premiere logical rule is, "Whatever that guy says, we disagree with on principle." Problem is, first of all, that "that guy" Trump sometimes says things that are true, so you end up disagreeing with the truth. Secondly - and most comically -- "that guy" often says things that contradict his previous statements, so you end up disagreeing with yourself. And thirdly (as in this case), he says things that are identical to what you yourself have previously said, so you end being being inconsistent over time.
Leftist logic: codified nonsense.
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 05:12 PM (c+2jX)
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Bohemia for the Bohemians!
Posted by: Archer at July 18, 2018 05:12 PM (gmo/4)
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It's really not going to be fun when someone figures out how to fly them
in a pattern that works well for spraying out aerosols for an air fuel
burst. It won't be a 5kg payload either.
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Dial-a-yield FAE?
Oooh, aahhh.
in a pattern that works well for spraying out aerosols for an air fuel
burst. It won't be a 5kg payload either.
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Dial-a-yield FAE?
Oooh, aahhh.
Posted by: Methos at July 18, 2018 05:12 PM (XQvuQ)
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https://tinyurl.com/kvo44p3
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
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Just to make it clear what Guy linked:
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EXCLUSIVE: Cybersecurity experts who were first to conclude that Putin hacked presidential election ABANDON some of their claims against Russia - and refuse to co-operate with Congress
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
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Just to make it clear what Guy linked:
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EXCLUSIVE: Cybersecurity experts who were first to conclude that Putin hacked presidential election ABANDON some of their claims against Russia - and refuse to co-operate with Congress
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:12 PM (vDqXW)
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ut no leaders of any substance. Peasants with guns. Look for instance what the outnumber Fins did to Russia. or for that matter the Japanese. Russian pre WW2 was a paper tiger at best.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 05:10 PM (Bdeb0)
You're absolutely right. I'm reading a bio about Stalin right now and it's amazing how they ever got to be a Superpower--let a lone took control of Russia. They were so paranoid and militarily ignorant and disorganized. And stupid.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 05:10 PM (Bdeb0)
You're absolutely right. I'm reading a bio about Stalin right now and it's amazing how they ever got to be a Superpower--let a lone took control of Russia. They were so paranoid and militarily ignorant and disorganized. And stupid.
Posted by: Alice Cooper at July 18, 2018 05:13 PM (y8Foj)
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I call bullshit.
You really want a *realistic* debate on intervention, which means, accepting that it won't be handled by neocons.
Meaning, it will not achieve our objectives or be defined by our rules of engagement.
And then you'd crow that it couldn't work.
Which it couldn't.
But there's no reason why US forces couldn't give Russia a bloody nose in Syria, and Crimea, and then, do nothing else.
Let him escalate the war into a world war if he likes. We can fight that too, or not, as it happens.
Yeah, he could put nuke subs into Boston harbor and sink shipping. Be damn difficult to find cargo ships with the US flag on them. Sink passenger ferries? Wouldn't that just piss us off without crippling the war effort?
If you're paralyzed by fear of war with Russia, that's your privilege.
It's not required thinking, however.
Putin inherited a military wreck, and has largely survived by avoiding any military setback. If we give him one, it would pose unprecedented military problems.
To say nothing of smashing their natural gas lines by conventional missile strikes.
They're vulnerable, and we're only as vulnerable as we decide to be.
You really want a *realistic* debate on intervention, which means, accepting that it won't be handled by neocons.
Meaning, it will not achieve our objectives or be defined by our rules of engagement.
And then you'd crow that it couldn't work.
Which it couldn't.
But there's no reason why US forces couldn't give Russia a bloody nose in Syria, and Crimea, and then, do nothing else.
Let him escalate the war into a world war if he likes. We can fight that too, or not, as it happens.
Yeah, he could put nuke subs into Boston harbor and sink shipping. Be damn difficult to find cargo ships with the US flag on them. Sink passenger ferries? Wouldn't that just piss us off without crippling the war effort?
If you're paralyzed by fear of war with Russia, that's your privilege.
It's not required thinking, however.
Putin inherited a military wreck, and has largely survived by avoiding any military setback. If we give him one, it would pose unprecedented military problems.
To say nothing of smashing their natural gas lines by conventional missile strikes.
They're vulnerable, and we're only as vulnerable as we decide to be.
Posted by: ChrisBalsz at July 18, 2018 05:13 PM (K5qvX)
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Gotta go to a different country to get US news:
https://tinyurl.com/kvo44p3
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
I spent all of Obama's Prez, and most of Bush's prez, reading overseas journalism almost exclusively. It was only in the run up to the election I started delving back into our press. The horror of the decay was alarming. Also, greatly sadz. Felt like I was grieving an American institution. Which, I guess I was. Now, just disgusted.
https://tinyurl.com/kvo44p3
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
I spent all of Obama's Prez, and most of Bush's prez, reading overseas journalism almost exclusively. It was only in the run up to the election I started delving back into our press. The horror of the decay was alarming. Also, greatly sadz. Felt like I was grieving an American institution. Which, I guess I was. Now, just disgusted.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 05:13 PM (CiCKR)
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435 If the U.S. was going to honor a commitment, it should have gone in to Ukraine to protect the pro-Russian, democratically elected government that was overthrown by a eastern Ukrainian mob.
Posted by: Jwest at July 18, 2018 05:09 PM (/roJx)
Did we have a president when that happened, and what did he do?
Posted by: Jwest at July 18, 2018 05:09 PM (/roJx)
Did we have a president when that happened, and what did he do?
Posted by: West at July 18, 2018 05:14 PM (7Fa8Y)
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Man who is 90% covered in tattoos has his genitals removed because they spoiled the view of his body art.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/302508/
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/302508/
Posted by: steevy at July 18, 2018 05:14 PM (LiyEm)
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CrowdStrike is also refusing to testify in public to the House Intelligence Committee on what it knows and declined to speak to DailyMail.com
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Heckova job, Stasi.
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Heckova job, Stasi.
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:15 PM (vDqXW)
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If the U.S. was going to honor a commitment, it should have gone in to Ukraine to protect the pro-Russian, democratically elected government that was overthrown by a eastern Ukrainian mob.
Posted by: Jwest at July 18, 2018 05:09 PM (/roJx)
I've opined before that the Ukrainian hatred of Russia is so intense it caused them to lose their heads . There was a plan and agreement to have new elections internationally monitored . Instead they chose to overthrow the government. Gave Putin all the excuses he needed to an annex Crimea.
Posted by: Jwest at July 18, 2018 05:09 PM (/roJx)
I've opined before that the Ukrainian hatred of Russia is so intense it caused them to lose their heads . There was a plan and agreement to have new elections internationally monitored . Instead they chose to overthrow the government. Gave Putin all the excuses he needed to an annex Crimea.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 05:16 PM (L78vw)
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447 - does it mention when he will start his campaign for Congress?
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 05:16 PM (oiNtH)
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Two things happened after 9/11:
1. Muslim immigration to the United States increased.
2. Our border security grew worse.
So if a September 11th type event happens again, I'll be goddamned if my son gets shipped abroad to "fight them over there." I'm hardly alone, and if it applies to an attack on my soil caused in part by our policymakers, it applies times infinity to Montenegro. If the communist-Democrats and neocons, but I repeat myself, can convince themselves they will somehow survive a nuclear war, ace, don't discount at all they might launch a first strike.
Russia and the rest of the world has every right to fear us and for all the wrong reasons. It gives me know pleasure to write that, either.
1. Muslim immigration to the United States increased.
2. Our border security grew worse.
So if a September 11th type event happens again, I'll be goddamned if my son gets shipped abroad to "fight them over there." I'm hardly alone, and if it applies to an attack on my soil caused in part by our policymakers, it applies times infinity to Montenegro. If the communist-Democrats and neocons, but I repeat myself, can convince themselves they will somehow survive a nuclear war, ace, don't discount at all they might launch a first strike.
Russia and the rest of the world has every right to fear us and for all the wrong reasons. It gives me know pleasure to write that, either.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at July 18, 2018 05:16 PM (KssKs)
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Man who is 90% covered in tattoos has his genitals removed because they spoiled the view of his body art.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/302508/
Posted by: steevy at July 18, 2018 05:14 PM (LiyEm)
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He's dong it wrong.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/302508/
Posted by: steevy at July 18, 2018 05:14 PM (LiyEm)
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He's dong it wrong.
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:16 PM (vDqXW)
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https://tinyurl.com/kvo44p3
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
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Just to make it clear what Guy linked:
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EXCLUSIVE: Cybersecurity experts who were first to conclude that
Putin hacked presidential election ABANDON some of their claims against
Russia - and refuse to co-operate with Congress
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:12 PM (vDqXW)
Cybersecurity experts will be having a press conference tomorrow at 11am EST. They will announce that Russian hackers had also hacked the GPS in Hillary's plane wiping out Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania from its maps.
https://tinyurl.com/kvo44p3
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:02 PM (r+sAi)
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Just to make it clear what Guy linked:
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EXCLUSIVE: Cybersecurity experts who were first to conclude that
Putin hacked presidential election ABANDON some of their claims against
Russia - and refuse to co-operate with Congress
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:12 PM (vDqXW)
Cybersecurity experts will be having a press conference tomorrow at 11am EST. They will announce that Russian hackers had also hacked the GPS in Hillary's plane wiping out Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania from its maps.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 05:16 PM (jxbfJ)
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But there's no reason why US forces couldn't give Russia a bloody nose in Syria, and Crimea, and then, do nothing else.
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If you're paralyzed by fear of war with Russia, that's your privilege.
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It's not about fear as much as "Why is this worth any trouble?"
I mean the Russians are at least bombing the right people in Syria.
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If you're paralyzed by fear of war with Russia, that's your privilege.
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It's not about fear as much as "Why is this worth any trouble?"
I mean the Russians are at least bombing the right people in Syria.
Posted by: Methos at July 18, 2018 05:17 PM (XQvuQ)
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447 Man who is 90% covered in tattoos has his genitals removed because they spoiled the view of his body art.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/302508/
Posted by: steevy
Perverts are cool. Normal people need to be shunned and ostracized.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/302508/
Posted by: steevy
Perverts are cool. Normal people need to be shunned and ostracized.
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (c+2jX)
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Have those itching for war come into a VA hospital and see the aftermath left for those that managed to survive war.
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (oiNtH)
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CrowdStrike is also refusing to testify in public to the House Intelligence Committee on what it knows and declined to speak to DailyMail.com
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Heckova job, Stasi.
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:15 PM (vDqXW)
Is the shit gonna start hitting the fan soon? Or is the media going to keep pretending that Trump is a moron?
And by the way--I wonder what Trump and Putin discussed during that two-hour meeting. I wonder if Vlad showed him something.....
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Heckova job, Stasi.
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:15 PM (vDqXW)
Is the shit gonna start hitting the fan soon? Or is the media going to keep pretending that Trump is a moron?
And by the way--I wonder what Trump and Putin discussed during that two-hour meeting. I wonder if Vlad showed him something.....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (y8Foj)
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And by the way--I wonder what Trump and Putin discussed during that two-hour meeting. I wonder if Vlad showed him something.....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (y8Foj)
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You know that was just a cartoon, don't you?
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (y8Foj)
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You know that was just a cartoon, don't you?
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:19 PM (vDqXW)
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Come on all of you big strong men
Uncle Max needs your help again
He's dreamed us up a new terrible foe
Way o'er there in Montenegro
So put down your phone and pick up a gun
We're gonna have a whole lot of fun
Come on all of you big strong men
Uncle Max needs your help again
He's dreamed us up a new terrible foe
Way o'er there in Montenegro
So put down your phone and pick up a gun
We're gonna have a whole lot of fun
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:19 PM (IqV8l)
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Ahoy, me hearties! Any port in a storm!
Posted by: William Kristol, Editor-At-Large at July 18, 2018 05:19 PM (RfYYV)
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Problem is, first of all, that "that guy" Trump sometimes says things that are true, so you end up disagreeing with the truth. Secondly - and most comically -- "that guy" often says things that contradict his previous statements, so you end up disagreeing with yourself. And thirdly (as in this case), he says things that are identical to what you yourself have previously said, so you end being being inconsistent over time. "
This. I think with this kind of remark Trump is reverting back to his pattern of tossing out at least one verbal stink bomb per day, which all of his critics will howl and obsess over. But by tomorrow, Trump will have forgotten about it and he'll toss out something completely different, so they can howl about that. And it won't take long for them to feel like frogs on a hot plate, while Trump just rambles on ahead.
This. I think with this kind of remark Trump is reverting back to his pattern of tossing out at least one verbal stink bomb per day, which all of his critics will howl and obsess over. But by tomorrow, Trump will have forgotten about it and he'll toss out something completely different, so they can howl about that. And it won't take long for them to feel like frogs on a hot plate, while Trump just rambles on ahead.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:19 PM (k1TUh)
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Two things happened after 9/11:
1. Muslim immigration to the United States increased.
2. Our border security grew worse.
So if a September 11th type event happens again, I'll be goddamned if my son gets shipped abroad to "fight them over there." I'm hardly alone, and if it applies to an attack on my soil caused in part by our policymakers, it applies times infinity to Montenegro. If the communist-Democrats and neocons, but I repeat myself, can convince themselves they will somehow survive a nuclear war, ace, don't discount at all they might launch a first strike.
Russia and the rest of the world has every right to fear us and for all the wrong reasons. It gives me know pleasure to write that, either.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at July 18, 2018 05:16 PM (KssKs)
Those things wouldn't have happened if Trump was president on 9/11
1. Muslim immigration to the United States increased.
2. Our border security grew worse.
So if a September 11th type event happens again, I'll be goddamned if my son gets shipped abroad to "fight them over there." I'm hardly alone, and if it applies to an attack on my soil caused in part by our policymakers, it applies times infinity to Montenegro. If the communist-Democrats and neocons, but I repeat myself, can convince themselves they will somehow survive a nuclear war, ace, don't discount at all they might launch a first strike.
Russia and the rest of the world has every right to fear us and for all the wrong reasons. It gives me know pleasure to write that, either.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at July 18, 2018 05:16 PM (KssKs)
Those things wouldn't have happened if Trump was president on 9/11
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:20 PM (y8Foj)
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 05:20 PM (c+2jX)
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And by the way--I wonder what Trump and Putin discussed during that two-hour meeting. I wonder if Vlad showed him something.....
Posted by: JoeF.
Well according to the Democrats it must have been something really, really, bad! Nefarious! Outrageous! Treasonous!
Posted by: JoeF.
Well according to the Democrats it must have been something really, really, bad! Nefarious! Outrageous! Treasonous!
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 05:20 PM (oiNtH)
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Perverts are cool. Normal people need to be shunned and ostracized.
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (c+2jX)
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I'm okay with tattooed eunuchs shunning me. Same goes for #nevertrumpers, leftists and clowns.
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (c+2jX)
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I'm okay with tattooed eunuchs shunning me. Same goes for #nevertrumpers, leftists and clowns.
Posted by: Blake - used elite salesman at July 18, 2018 05:20 PM (qC1Sy)
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And by the way--I wonder what Trump and Putin discussed during that two-hour meeting. I wonder if Vlad showed him something.....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (y8Foj)
Dems are demanding the interpreter for the meeting be brought before congress to answer questions
And by the way--I wonder what Trump and Putin discussed during that two-hour meeting. I wonder if Vlad showed him something.....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (y8Foj)
Dems are demanding the interpreter for the meeting be brought before congress to answer questions
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2018 05:21 PM (10vO4)
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"It's not about fear as much as "Why is this worth any trouble?"
A reasonable question to be answered rationally. I just don't respect the gasping horror of a war with Moscow, especially the truncated shell of what was once the Soviet Union.
A reasonable question to be answered rationally. I just don't respect the gasping horror of a war with Moscow, especially the truncated shell of what was once the Soviet Union.
Posted by: ChrisBalsz at July 18, 2018 05:21 PM (K5qvX)
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Have those itching for war come into a VA hospital and see the aftermath left for those that managed to survive war.
Posted by: Cheri
I don't have to. I was at the hospital at Camp Leatherneck and saw the local kids.
Posted by: Cheri
I don't have to. I was at the hospital at Camp Leatherneck and saw the local kids.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 05:21 PM (Bdeb0)
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NATO has outlived its usefulness.
Posted by: brak at July 18, 2018 05:22 PM (VckGX)
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Dems are demanding the interpreter for the meeting be brought before congress to answer questions
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2018 05:21 PM (10vO4)
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Before Trump has her killed.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 18, 2018 05:21 PM (10vO4)
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Before Trump has her killed.
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:22 PM (vDqXW)
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NATO was never intended to defend Ukraine (or Montenegro, or TURKEY)
We should have dissolved it when the Soviets pulled back into Russia.
That's what it was for - to counter balance the Eastern Bloc.
All this is now is a bunch of dickpullers joining an alliance with the understanding that America will show up with their army if things get rough.
I'll forgive the Poles on this one, they're taking their commitment seriously but most of the rest are depending on the US to do not just the heavy lifting, but MOST of the lifting.
They don't seriously think there's going to be a war, if they did, they'd BE doing what the Poles are doing and maintaining their armed forces as a credible deterrent.
We should have dissolved it when the Soviets pulled back into Russia.
That's what it was for - to counter balance the Eastern Bloc.
All this is now is a bunch of dickpullers joining an alliance with the understanding that America will show up with their army if things get rough.
I'll forgive the Poles on this one, they're taking their commitment seriously but most of the rest are depending on the US to do not just the heavy lifting, but MOST of the lifting.
They don't seriously think there's going to be a war, if they did, they'd BE doing what the Poles are doing and maintaining their armed forces as a credible deterrent.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 05:22 PM (37IEG)
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Dems are demanding the interpreter for the meeting be brought before congress to answer questions
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
Subpoena the Mandela funeral sign language guy.
Dems are demanding the interpreter for the meeting be brought before congress to answer questions
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic
Subpoena the Mandela funeral sign language guy.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:23 PM (IqV8l)
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Same goes for #nevertrumpers, leftists
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And ye, shall know them by their bow-ties, and their fedoras.
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And ye, shall know them by their bow-ties, and their fedoras.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 05:23 PM (UiRxW)
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'Miss me yet?' - Marshal Tito
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:23 PM (fA1SL)
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NATO was formed to oppose the USSR.
The USSR no longer exists. So -- why does NATO still exist?
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 05:20 PM (c+2jX)
Very valid question. Especially when the EU is hellbent on fomenting its own destruction via migrants. They don't seem all that enthused on paying their share. We sure aren't going to defend the Ukraine. We have Turkey as a member -once a decent ally in the muslim world but now an adversary.
Pull out and pull back. If any of the NATO members cry and beg - renegotiate terms of our protection.
NATO was formed to oppose the USSR.
The USSR no longer exists. So -- why does NATO still exist?
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 05:20 PM (c+2jX)
Very valid question. Especially when the EU is hellbent on fomenting its own destruction via migrants. They don't seem all that enthused on paying their share. We sure aren't going to defend the Ukraine. We have Turkey as a member -once a decent ally in the muslim world but now an adversary.
Pull out and pull back. If any of the NATO members cry and beg - renegotiate terms of our protection.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 05:24 PM (jxbfJ)
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Oh my God you guys, a former White House stenographer declares that Trump is lying to the American people! She said she resigned because her job wasn't respected or some bullshit.
Another HRC fan.
https://tinyurl.com/yd2yl7bs
Another HRC fan.
https://tinyurl.com/yd2yl7bs
Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 05:24 PM (oiNtH)
477
nd by the way--I wonder what Trump and Putin discussed during that two-hour meeting. I wonder if Vlad showed him something.....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (y8Foj)
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You know that was just a cartoon, don't you?
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:19 PM (vDqXW)
I'm serious. I was thinking that the loaded question--"who do u believe, YOUR intelligence agencies or Putin?" in a different light. In other words, they are worried about what Vlad told him ---AN HOUR BEFORE.
And the fact that Trump hesitated and wouldn't rule out Putin told the media, OMG! PUTIN SHOWED HIM PROOF !! That's why they all freaked out.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:18 PM (y8Foj)
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You know that was just a cartoon, don't you?
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:19 PM (vDqXW)
I'm serious. I was thinking that the loaded question--"who do u believe, YOUR intelligence agencies or Putin?" in a different light. In other words, they are worried about what Vlad told him ---AN HOUR BEFORE.
And the fact that Trump hesitated and wouldn't rule out Putin told the media, OMG! PUTIN SHOWED HIM PROOF !! That's why they all freaked out.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:24 PM (y8Foj)
478
Posted by: ChrisBalsz at July 18, 2018 05:21 PM (K5qvX)
A direct war with Russia has the same danger as it has always had.
A direct war with Russia has the same danger as it has always had.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 05:24 PM (L78vw)
479
legalinsurrection - how not to respond to a gotcha question Trump-Putin summit edition
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https://tinyurl.com/y788qavp
Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:25 PM (pHfeF)
480
>>The USSR no longer exists. So -- why does NATO still exist?
I was pointing this out yesterday.
... and last month.
I was pointing this out yesterday.
... and last month.
Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 05:25 PM (J0CvP)
481
Come on all of you big strong men
Uncle Max needs your help again
He's dreamed us up a new terrible foe
Way o'er there in Montenegro
So put down your phone and pick up a gun
We're gonna have a whole lot of fun
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:19 PM (IqV8l)
And it's 1 2 3, what are we fightin for?
Don't ask me cause I don't know.Next stop Monte-negro.And it's 5 6 7 open up the pearly gatesAin't no time to wonder whyWhoopie we're all gonna die.
Come on all of you big strong men
Uncle Max needs your help again
He's dreamed us up a new terrible foe
Way o'er there in Montenegro
So put down your phone and pick up a gun
We're gonna have a whole lot of fun
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:19 PM (IqV8l)
And it's 1 2 3, what are we fightin for?
Don't ask me cause I don't know.Next stop Monte-negro.And it's 5 6 7 open up the pearly gatesAin't no time to wonder whyWhoopie we're all gonna die.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 05:25 PM (37IEG)
482
It was the equivalent of When did you stop beating your wife?
Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:26 PM (pHfeF)
483
Trump stumbled on the reporter's question because he had just been told something "heavy" by Putin and was still processing the information.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:26 PM (y8Foj)
484
Montenegro, heh. A Serb I knew used to say that Montenegro is where they stop F*king mothers and start F*king fathers.....an Eastern Euro play on the American phrase motherf*ker....
Posted by: the Butcher at July 18, 2018 05:26 PM (DIosY)
485
NATO was formed to oppose the USSR.
The USSR no longer exists. So -- why does NATO still exist?
Posted by: zombie at July 18,
...
We gotta sell some F-35s to SOMEBODY.
The USSR no longer exists. So -- why does NATO still exist?
Posted by: zombie at July 18,
...
We gotta sell some F-35s to SOMEBODY.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 05:26 PM (CnulY)
486
152: Dice, wasn't Serbia v. Montanegro an Islam v. Christian dispute?
Posted by: Le Garde Vieux at July 18, 2018 05:26 PM (E4NQ0)
487
t was the equivalent of When did you stop beating your wife?
Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:26 PM (pHfeF)
IF you had actually beaten her---and thought no one knew.
Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:26 PM (pHfeF)
IF you had actually beaten her---and thought no one knew.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:27 PM (y8Foj)
488
The Russians may be a shell of their former selves, but we aren't exactly in peak Cold War shape ourselves. We've lost to cavedwellers and our fucking navy cannot avoid cargo freighters. War with Russia would be a real war between nuclear powers. What exactly is the great benefit that makes the risks worthwhile?
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 05:27 PM (1b+5Z)
489
'Miss me yet?' - Marshal Tito
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:23 PM (fA1SL)
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My friend would always say she loved Slobo, but in the aftermath, she wished it would go back to Tito because he kept the religions in line, and everybody following the Army, which was Serbs.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:23 PM (fA1SL)
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My friend would always say she loved Slobo, but in the aftermath, she wished it would go back to Tito because he kept the religions in line, and everybody following the Army, which was Serbs.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 05:27 PM (UiRxW)
490
74 When it comes to USA and Russia, all I need to know I learned in 'Spy vs Spy' in 'Mad Magazine'.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (LOgQ4)
Also the movie "Spies Like Us".
Such realism!
Posted by: antisocialist at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (9BwmK)
"doctor.....Doctor......doctor......DOCTOR....doctor"
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (LOgQ4)
Also the movie "Spies Like Us".
Such realism!
Posted by: antisocialist at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (9BwmK)
"doctor.....Doctor......doctor......DOCTOR....doctor"
Posted by: DitkaCA at July 18, 2018 05:27 PM (kVjCi)
491
Trump is so interesting. I've never thought much about who can join NATO and what that means to us (even though my son, who just got out of the Army, was deployed twice as part of a "NATO" force) . But Trump obviously has given it much thought and knows it should be reformed.
Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 05:27 PM (Z48ZB)
492
Well that formatting sucked donkey dicks didn't it.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 05:27 PM (37IEG)
493
Nood.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 05:28 PM (yJ9Jf)
494
Nood
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (fA1SL)
495
I'm serious. I was thinking that the loaded question--"who do u believe, YOUR intelligence agencies or Putin?" in a different light. In other words, they are worried about what Vlad told him ---AN HOUR BEFORE.
And the fact that Trump hesitated and wouldn't rule out Putin told the media, OMG! PUTIN SHOWED HIM PROOF !! That's why they all freaked out.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:24 PM (y8Foj)
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Interesting idea. We can only hope that Trump's got new ammo.
I'm Team Trump all the way--unless he actually turns out to be a puppet of Putin...then I'm gone.
And the fact that Trump hesitated and wouldn't rule out Putin told the media, OMG! PUTIN SHOWED HIM PROOF !! That's why they all freaked out.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:24 PM (y8Foj)
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Interesting idea. We can only hope that Trump's got new ammo.
I'm Team Trump all the way--unless he actually turns out to be a puppet of Putin...then I'm gone.
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (vDqXW)
496
The media--and Brennan and Company -freaked the fuck out the other day because they were afraid Putin told Trump something that they KNOW Putin knew and didn't want Trump to know.
No wonder they didn't want the summit to go off.
No wonder they didn't want the summit to go off.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (y8Foj)
497
Lena Dunham does dogs. She should run for dog catcher.
Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (O18YC)
498
Say, for those who think Russia would like to invade/take over more countries in Europe, do you think Trump's focus on Europe spending more on defense gives Russia a motive to do any actual invasions sooner rather than later?
Posted by: Occasional Lurker at July 18, 2018 05:31 PM (uGC+u)
499
We also had a treaty with Afghanistan when they were invaded by Russia.
iirc Russia invades other nations when we have a Democrat for president.
More allies are murdered/die while we have
Democrat presidents.
iirc Russia invades other nations when we have a Democrat for president.
More allies are murdered/die while we have
Democrat presidents.
Posted by: Braenyard _now serving Buffalo Chips to the DNC at July 18, 2018 05:31 PM (VeUrT)
500
I'm disturbed by the "no war at any price" attitude some have here.
I don't want war, but God help us if some country like Russia, China, NK, or Iran start one and we aren't prepared.
I don't want war, but God help us if some country like Russia, China, NK, or Iran start one and we aren't prepared.
Posted by: Soona at July 18, 2018 05:32 PM (Fs5vw)
501
496 The media--and Brennan and Company -freaked the fuck out the other day because they were afraid Putin told Trump something that they KNOW Putin knew and didn't want Trump to know.
No wonder they didn't want the summit to go off.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (y8Foj)
Yeah, I strongly suspect something like that happened.
No wonder they didn't want the summit to go off.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (y8Foj)
Yeah, I strongly suspect something like that happened.
Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 05:33 PM (xjiRE)
502
Montenegro is where they stop F*king mothers and start F*king fathers.....an Eastern Euro play on the American phrase motherf*ker....
And there was all sorts of mean nasty ugly guys sittin' next to me on the bench. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father rapers!
There were father rapers sitting right next to me on the bench, and we were havin' a fine time talkin' about mother raping and father stabbing.
And there was all sorts of mean nasty ugly guys sittin' next to me on the bench. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father rapers!
There were father rapers sitting right next to me on the bench, and we were havin' a fine time talkin' about mother raping and father stabbing.
Posted by: Arlo Guthrie at July 18, 2018 05:34 PM (fuK7c)
503
The media--and Brennan and Company -freaked the fuck out the other day because they were afraid Putin told Trump something that they KNOW Putin knew and didn't want Trump to know.
No wonder they didn't want the summit to go off.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (y8Foj)
Yeah, I strongly suspect something like that happened.
Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 05:33 PM (xjiRE)
Trump was still processing what Vlad told him and that's why he shanked the question. He didn't want to blurt out , "Well Putin just gave me proof 15 minutes ago that it wasn't Russia...."
No wonder they didn't want the summit to go off.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (y8Foj)
Yeah, I strongly suspect something like that happened.
Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 05:33 PM (xjiRE)
Trump was still processing what Vlad told him and that's why he shanked the question. He didn't want to blurt out , "Well Putin just gave me proof 15 minutes ago that it wasn't Russia...."
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:36 PM (y8Foj)
504
"More: How About Turkey? Are We Willing to Really Go to War on Behalf of the Islamist Country and NATO Member Turkey?"
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The current Turkish government has no legitimacy in most western eyes, I consider it a thugocracy far worse than Russia. There is no way a finger should be lifted to help Erdogan oppress anyone who doesn't kiss his feet.
Let's not forget that Turkey would not even let US planes to fly over Turkish territory during an operation in Iraq.
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The current Turkish government has no legitimacy in most western eyes, I consider it a thugocracy far worse than Russia. There is no way a finger should be lifted to help Erdogan oppress anyone who doesn't kiss his feet.
Let's not forget that Turkey would not even let US planes to fly over Turkish territory during an operation in Iraq.
Posted by: Decaf at July 18, 2018 05:38 PM (Mymqt)
505
Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
I remember Charlie Rangel proposing reinstating the draft when W was POTUS. It wasn't to improve the U.S. military. But hoping to gin up more opposition to W, like the antiwar movement during Vietnam era. They'd like a new war to hang on PDT.
I remember Charlie Rangel proposing reinstating the draft when W was POTUS. It wasn't to improve the U.S. military. But hoping to gin up more opposition to W, like the antiwar movement during Vietnam era. They'd like a new war to hang on PDT.
Posted by: Hands at July 18, 2018 05:38 PM (EzdLW)
506
119 Want this kind of crap to stop ?
If you want the US Government to stop getting into Entangling Alliances, and Silly Overseas Adventures, quit supporting the funding of a US Military capable of doing such shit.
Take away Government's toys.
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
Father Charles Coughlin, is that you? I thought you were mort?
If you want the US Government to stop getting into Entangling Alliances, and Silly Overseas Adventures, quit supporting the funding of a US Military capable of doing such shit.
Take away Government's toys.
As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be projected.
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
Father Charles Coughlin, is that you? I thought you were mort?
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at July 18, 2018 05:40 PM (vgwv+)
507
Montenegro for the Montenegroes, dammit!
No justice, No peace!
No justice, No peace!
Posted by: some guy at July 18, 2018 05:45 PM (EyFCU)
508
I share Ace's trepidation with regards to security assurances to Montenegro, but the Budapest Memorandum makes no such assurances. It basically states that the US, UK, and Russia will respect the integrity of Ukrainian sovereignty, and in the event one of them does not, Ukraine has the right to petition the UN for help. That's it. That's all it says. There are no guarantees of US protection of Ukraine in any event. At all. It's literally nowhere in the document.
I get the feeling a lot of people think they know what the Budapest Memorandum says, and very few have actually read the damned thing.
I get the feeling a lot of people think they know what the Budapest Memorandum says, and very few have actually read the damned thing.
Posted by: holygoat at July 18, 2018 05:52 PM (nCqz2)
509
Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
Father Charles Coughlin, is that you? I thought you were mort?
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at July 18, 2018 05:40 PM (vgwv+)
Nah ... I'm not Catholic. And I did a hitch as well with an Honorable at the end.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
Father Charles Coughlin, is that you? I thought you were mort?
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at July 18, 2018 05:40 PM (vgwv+)
Nah ... I'm not Catholic. And I did a hitch as well with an Honorable at the end.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 05:54 PM (fiGNd)
510
Ukrainian chicks are hot. I'll be happy to send your kid over there to die so I can get mail order Ukrainian wives.
- TrueCon thoughts
- TrueCon thoughts
Posted by: TexasJew at July 18, 2018 06:00 PM (c+cGk)
511
Poland fought with horses against tanks.
Posted by: wrg500
Poland lasted longer than France did.
...
Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (tqyrn)
Poland fought hard; it's just that they were so badly outnumbered by the Germans. It is also a myth that the Polish cavalry charged tanks. The Poles were fully aware of armored vehicles and their tankettes were pretty much a match for the German Panzer I/II and their Vickers were a match for the Panzer III. The problem was that the Poles didn't have enough of them because they were still in a modernization program for their army because of limited funding.
Oh, and France fvkced them by not honoring its treaty obligations. The Poles kept waiting for the French to do something.
Posted by: wrg500
Poland lasted longer than France did.
...
Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:39 PM (tqyrn)
Poland fought hard; it's just that they were so badly outnumbered by the Germans. It is also a myth that the Polish cavalry charged tanks. The Poles were fully aware of armored vehicles and their tankettes were pretty much a match for the German Panzer I/II and their Vickers were a match for the Panzer III. The problem was that the Poles didn't have enough of them because they were still in a modernization program for their army because of limited funding.
Oh, and France fvkced them by not honoring its treaty obligations. The Poles kept waiting for the French to do something.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 18, 2018 06:00 PM (5Yee7)
512
When T.E. Lawrence, indistinguishable from anyone else in Arab dress, boarded a train for Cairo, an MP came down on him at once, demanding identification. T.E., in his Oxbridge English, said he was on the Sharif of Mecca's military staff. The MP said, "Humph! Don't recognize the uniform." Lawrence coolly inquired, "Would you recognize a Montenegrin dragoon?"
Goes to show that Montenegro has its uses as an alliance partner.
Goes to show that Montenegro has its uses as an alliance partner.
Posted by: Bill Befort at July 18, 2018 06:07 PM (hJFOo)
513
Trump was still processing what Vlad told him and that's why he shanked the question. He didn't want to blurt out , "Well Putin just gave me proof 15 minutes ago that it wasn't Russia...."
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:36 PM (y8Foj)
That's my suspicion, too. President Trump repeatedly said that the DNC and Anwan's computer servers needed to be examined.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:36 PM (y8Foj)
That's my suspicion, too. President Trump repeatedly said that the DNC and Anwan's computer servers needed to be examined.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 18, 2018 06:07 PM (5Yee7)
514
Ann Coulter has been saying and writing about this for over twenty years.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front, Splitter Chapter at July 18, 2018 06:08 PM (rdl6o)
515
All it takes is one guy.
Posted by: Gavrilo Princip. at July 18, 2018 06:19 PM (6ogcc)
516
The borders of Montenegro are worth American blood and treasure--according to John McCain's tumor.
Fuck that tumor in particular.
Fuck that tumor in particular.
Posted by: Smashing the Golden Calf at July 18, 2018 06:21 PM (WPxnj)
517
We are cursed with the worst political and intellectual class the republic has coughed up since the antebellum south dived head first into the ash heap of history.
Posted by: ZonToro at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (dCHJd)
518
I've heard Tucker use that formulation before. If there was a major war in Europe, could we stay out? History says "no".
The idea isn't to fight for Montenegro. It is that a strong alliance makes it less likely any of us have to fight.
Turkey, however--meh.
btw, Putin was trying to install a puppet government in Montengro when they joined. Maybe he wanted 20% of their uranium, too.
The idea isn't to fight for Montenegro. It is that a strong alliance makes it less likely any of us have to fight.
Turkey, however--meh.
btw, Putin was trying to install a puppet government in Montengro when they joined. Maybe he wanted 20% of their uranium, too.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 18, 2018 10:58 PM (Ndje9)
519
Montenegro is very low on my list of reasons for not wanting to stay in NATO, but if it convinces Trump to pull out, then good for Trump.
Reason #1 is Turkey's Erdogan. If we stay in, he may manage to force us into a war against Israel. This must never happen.
Reason #1 is Turkey's Erdogan. If we stay in, he may manage to force us into a war against Israel. This must never happen.
Posted by: jdgalt at July 19, 2018 12:36 AM (3SFo/)
520
Planes and tanks don't help when you've decided to turn your country into a colony of Pakistan.
Still, if we got rid of all alliances, it would put Tucker's kid at greater risk, not less.
Still, if we got rid of all alliances, it would put Tucker's kid at greater risk, not less.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 19, 2018 10:20 AM (Ndje9)
521
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