Putin's Master Plan to Install a Pawn In the White House Who Would Greatly Amp Up Energy Production and Thereby Decimate the Russian Oil-Based Economy Is Nearly Compete

In 2018, the US is expected to overtake both Russia and Saudi Arabia to become the world's greatest oil producer.

Some NeverTrumpers immediately objected to this development, noting that as the US becomes energy-independent it gives them less pretext to start and lose wars in the Middle East.

Oh, and also Russia Something Kompromat.

Posted by: Ace at 03:56 PM

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1 I'll get the Corgis

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2018 03:53 PM (aC6Sd)

2 TRUMP IS KILLING THE PLANET!!!

Posted by: tu3031 at January 19, 2018 03:55 PM (O5Q3r)

3 Stomp.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 19, 2018 03:56 PM (/qEW2)

4 Yeah.... the wily Putin...

Supporting the guy who wants to make the American Military Stronger!

87th Dimensional chess... must be...

Posted by: Don Q., Philosophizer at January 19, 2018 03:56 PM (NgKpN)

5 Okay! It's a ploy...but it's not an *obvious* ploy.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 03:57 PM (vDqXW)

6 That's one way to put Putin in the tank

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 03:57 PM (pIpVu)

7 To be fair,a lot of the drilling started during the Obama regime.Despite him of course.

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 03:57 PM (LiyEm)

8 Is this the Undernood?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2018 03:58 PM (QQ+il)

9
It's like these experts don't know what the fsck they're talking about.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 19, 2018 03:58 PM (8O3HH)

10 willowed comment:

I am looking forward to the off-season, when the guys looking to get a new contract find out that their market value just went down by 50%.

Posted by: JAS at January 19, 2018 03:58 PM (7JbXq)

11 Course, I'm looking at the chart. And I don't see where's Russia has had any falling off.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 03:58 PM (vDqXW)

12 Stomped.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 03:58 PM (wHJ0y)

13
Oregon Muse is gonna STOMP,
all night, in your neighborhood,
don't it feel alright...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 03:58 PM (mbhDw)

14 I'm concerned that if all the oil is drilled out then the continent of North America will deflate

Posted by: Rep Hank Johnson at January 19, 2018 03:59 PM (BWuDY)

15

Yes, yes, I know. But what does this have to do with getting my Birth Certificate?

Posted by: Daniel Nathan Fairly Jr. at January 19, 2018 03:59 PM (GroCc)

16 OH.... and we lead by a LONG way on Natural Gas production.....

sooooo.....

Posted by: Don Q., Philosophizer at January 19, 2018 03:59 PM (NgKpN)

17 that's weird, because trump is really a poor who needed russia to pre-buy his condos because, you know, trump has bad credit ever since he went bankrupt 23 years ago. how could russia get rolled like this?

of course, the whole 100 megaton torpedo will open some doors

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 19, 2018 03:59 PM (V3U1L)

18 Funny thing about this. The Russian oil boom is what lead directly to the American fracking boom.

When the Soviet Union fell Russia ask US oil companies yo help them develop better cold weather drilling techniques.

What we learned in Russia brought on the technology that became the start of the American oil boom.

Posted by: Big V at January 19, 2018 03:59 PM (MVE/7)

19
I saw Putin's Master Plan open for STOMP! at the Cow Palace back in '04.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (eXA4G)

20 Fucking 100 megaton torpedo would probably circle and take them out instead...

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (LiyEm)

21 Control energy, control the world.

America, fvck yeah!

Posted by: DocJ at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (NYS7S)

22 To be fair,a lot of the drilling started during the Obama regime.Despite him of course.
Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 03:57 PM (LiyEm)

It was hilarious driving past the People's Republic of Oberlin and seeing all the insane anti fracking protests. I guess they were never serious about energy independence.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (y7DUB)

23 The NEW BIG COLLUSION STORY IS RUSSIANS CONTROLLING THE NRA.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (YV+SU)

24 Course, I'm looking at the chart. And I don't see where's Russia has had any falling off.
Posted by: Axeman

Russia isn't. We're going to overtake them on output.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (wHJ0y)

25 you arrogant ass, you killed us

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (V3U1L)

26 Bill Kristol should be happy. Anal lube prices should drop.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (r9UYA)

27 Greasy GAINZ!

Posted by: garrett at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (wq4QV)

28 20 Fucking 100 megaton torpedo would probably circle and take them out instead...
Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (LiyEm)

"Svimvear YAAAAAAAA!!!!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:00 PM (mbhDw)

29 Russia is pumping just as much oil, but at $60 a barrel, they aren't getting as much cash coming in.

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:01 PM (4dz1m)

30 I see a little fall-off in Saudi Arabia, but the general trend line is still upward.

It's just we're growing faster than either.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:01 PM (vDqXW)

31 We started wars in the MidEast? We lost wars in the MidEast?

The things you learn here.

Hope the Joooos didn't have anything to do with this.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 19, 2018 04:01 PM (QDnY+)

32 Stomped By a Blogger Named Sue

Posted by: garrett at January 19, 2018 04:01 PM (wq4QV)

33 I want coal too.

For pure spite.

Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2018 04:01 PM (+lOpA)

34 Oregon Muse already implementing his version of net neutrality.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 04:01 PM (r9UYA)

35 It's a good think we're drilling the shit out of oil -- just this morning, I was talking to the person who purchases the electric power for our small town, and she says that she thinks electric rates are about to go way, way up.

Partly because natural gas is going up, because it's been very low for so long, and partly because of demand.

But mostly because the economy has been in the shitter for about 8 years or so. And so now the Obama ankle weights have been removed, so factories will once again be using shit-tons of electricity to power machinery, demand goes up, price goes up.

We need more oil, more natty gas, more coal, more nuclear. Quickly.

Posted by: Pastafarian at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (OWWiT)

36 Hold my beer.

Posted by: Turkey at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (g4lFK)

37
That 100 megaton torpedo, I hear the Russkies call it the Trumpboner.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (eXA4G)

38 two new threads. what a dilemma.

Posted by: IC at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (a0IVu)

39 29 Russia is pumping just as much oil, but at $60 a barrel, they aren't getting as much cash coming in.
Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:01 PM (4dz1m)

And with Israel, Cyprus and Greece developing that gigantic gas field in the Mediterranean, Pooty-Poot is pootering out.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (mbhDw)

40 OF COURSE TRUMP WOULD PRODUCE CRUDE!!!

CRUDE! CRUDE!!!

Posted by: Bill Kristol's Turgid Mangina at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (oVJmc)

41 The NEW BIG COLLUSION STORY IS RUSSIANS CONTROLLING THE NRA.

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The sneaky bastards want us well trained and armed!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (/6QTO)

42 If we are lucky the Tsarpedo will take out Kharg Island.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (pIpVu)

43 Gee, it's almost as if TFG slammed the brakes on our oil production just as we were about to overtake the House Of Saud back in 2015. Wonder what could have triggered that?

Posted by: DocJ at January 19, 2018 04:03 PM (NYS7S)

44 Beet Rations Are UP!

Posted by: garrett at January 19, 2018 04:03 PM (wq4QV)

45 two new threads. what a dilemma

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DON'T CROSS THE THREADS

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at January 19, 2018 04:03 PM (BWuDY)

46 41 The NEW BIG COLLUSION STORY IS RUSSIANS CONTROLLING THE NRA.

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The sneaky bastards want us well trained and armed!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (/6QTO)

"Everyone knows Russia invented the 2nd Amendment!"

- - Ensign Chekov

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:03 PM (mbhDw)

47 40 OF COURSE TRUMP WOULD PRODUCE CRUDE!!!

CRUDE! CRUDE!!!
Posted by: Bill Kristol's Turgid Mangina at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (oVJmc)

Sounds like a song. A song about a man. A music man.

Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2018 04:03 PM (+lOpA)

48 The sneaky bastards want us well trained and armed!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at January 19, 2018 04:02 PM (/6QTO)
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That was about my reaction when I first heard it too.

But I think they probably mean--stupidly--Russia wants us killing each other with "assault rifles".

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:04 PM (vDqXW)

49 thanks a lot Obama. I don't think we could have done it without your shitmidas predictions to the contrary.

Posted by: x at January 19, 2018 04:04 PM (nFwvY)

50 Or the Tsarpedo sinks Lena Dunham

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:04 PM (pIpVu)

51 Well, his master plan is simply world domination. His three part plan is install himself as emperor, reinstate serfdom, and world domination. His doing pretty well on the first two.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:04 PM (MTjB1)

52 Poor Venezuela.

Not only has the price of their oil crashed, but they are not even producing as much oil. Something about Socialism and Socialist Experts running their oil industry?

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:04 PM (4dz1m)

53 Well, his master plan is simply world domination. His three part plan is install himself as emperor, reinstate serfdom, and world domination.
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So Barack Obama is just his direct competitor?

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:05 PM (vDqXW)

54 Poor Venezuela.

Not only has the price of their oil crashed, but they are not even producing as much oil. Something about Socialism and Socialist Experts running their oil industry?
Posted by: rd at January

well, the russians like that part.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:05 PM (MTjB1)

55 What they want is Mueller doing an investigation on the NRA going into the 2018 elections.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:06 PM (YV+SU)

56 Wait, I thought Booooosh was in the pocket of big oil?

Are you telling me the people pushing the big oil conspiracy narrative are actually Russian agents? I will not believe that about our news media!!!!

(note to self, check Fusion GPS bank records and Sid Blumenthal's emails during the Booooosh years)

Posted by: a liberal mind is a turrible thing to sock at January 19, 2018 04:06 PM (7d3x+)

57 but Kansas, what's up with them voting against their economic interests?

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 19, 2018 04:06 PM (V3U1L)

58 Posted by: DocJ at January 19, 2018 04:03 PM (NYS7S

Actually, that was when the price of oil crashed.

Something about monetary incentives?

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:07 PM (4dz1m)

59 Well, his master plan is simply world domination. His three part plan is install himself as emperor, reinstate serfdom, and world domination.
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So Barack Obama is just his direct competitor?
Posted by: Axeman at January

yeah, but obama's plan is running into resistance from the proletariat, even in chicago.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:07 PM (MTjB1)

60 Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin attempted to sneak out of Chuck Schumer's office after their powwow, but CNN of all networks cornered them--and in a conversation with a CNN reporter, Durbin put everything on Schumer's shoulders. -BB

With friends like those...

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 04:07 PM (r9UYA)

61 60
Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin attempted to sneak out of Chuck Schumer's
office after their powwow, but CNN of all networks cornered them--and in
a conversation with a CNN reporter, Durbin put everything on Schumer's
shoulders. -BB

With friends like those...

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 04:07 PM (r9UYA)
Trying to sneak out like a couple of weasels.

Posted by: IC at January 19, 2018 04:08 PM (a0IVu)

62 I want coal too.

For pure spite.
Posted by: eleven

I'd kill for coal.
Can't get it in Texas unless I buy a train load.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 04:08 PM (wHJ0y)

63 Venezuela tanking so that means Cuba will have to depend upon someone else for cheap oil.

Irony and further proof of Gaylord's incompetence would be for the US to become Cuba's chief supplier.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:08 PM (pIpVu)

64 Peak oil!

PEAK OIL!!!!!!

Posted by: Warden at January 19, 2018 04:09 PM (MZ8Zz)

65 I was informed by many top men in the 70's and early 80's that we would long since have run out of everything by now.....

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:11 PM (LiyEm)

66 >>
I'd kill for coal.
Can't get it in Texas unless I buy a train load.

Grandad used to burn lump coal in his fireplace. A big lump would burn all day long and into the late evening.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 04:11 PM (r9UYA)

67 And Clownifornia is about to shut down the last of that other environmental boogeyman Diablo Canyon to become compliant with their desire to depend upon 50% Unicorn Skittles for energy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:11 PM (pIpVu)

68 Someone should invent a coal burning fireplace insert, just to freak out the earth huggers.

Posted by: a moron at January 19, 2018 04:11 PM (GaI8G)

69 Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin attempted to sneak out
of Chuck Schumer's office after their powwow, but CNN of all networks
cornered them--and in a conversation with a CNN reporter, Durbin put
everything on Schumer's shoulders. -BB

With friends like those...

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 04:07 PM (r9UYA)

More winning:-)

Posted by: redbanzai at January 19, 2018 04:12 PM (xDKH6)

70 Paul Erlich told me that we ran out of oil in 1989

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2018 04:12 PM (7ZVPa)

71 My recommendation for Trump is to double or triple our SOR right now while the iron is hot.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol from Houston at January 19, 2018 04:12 PM (3QAtO)

72 According to Malthus we all should have been last century.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:12 PM (pIpVu)

73 well in addition to the inability to maintain production levels and declining oil prices screwing venezuela, venezuela is further screwed by the fact that they borrowed money from the chicom to be repaid in oil, so the more the price of oil declines the more oil they owe them which will be an increasing percentage of their declining production.

what is chicom for take it? what is chinese slang for venezuelans? are they tossed in with everyone as round eyes or is there something else?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:12 PM (MTjB1)

74
What they want is Mueller doing an investigation on the NRA going into the 2018 elections.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:06 PM (YV+SU)

Mueller isn't going to be investigating shit in six months. Half his team will be under indictment or disbarred, and he will be too busy preparing his testimony on the Uranium One cover-up.

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:13 PM (4dz1m)

75 67 I hope they enjoy their daily blackouts....

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:13 PM (LiyEm)

76 Nood GAINZ thread stomped this oil pumping thread

Posted by: wooga at January 19, 2018 04:13 PM (KUG+v)

77 A vibrant economy will have another benefit - strong demand supporting the increasing diversification of energy sources. Familiar ones - coal, nat gas, nuke. Real ones. Here's to hoping Pruitt at EPA and some magical transformation of sufficient GOP incumbents gut the absurd fake energy scam as the real energy sector booms. This could be a magic moment to crush lysenkoism in environmental science and defund the ludicrous welfare scam that builds on it.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 19, 2018 04:14 PM (QDnY+)

78 When I was a young kid both my house and grandparents had coal, use to get to start the fire before I was 10 years

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2018 04:14 PM (aC6Sd)

79 I'd kill for coal.
Can't get it in Texas unless I buy a train load.

Grandad used to burn lump coal in his fireplace. A big lump would burn all day long and into the late evening.
Posted by: Under Fire at January

you can get it by the car but you have to have your own spur. good news is zoning is pretty easy in texas.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:14 PM (MTjB1)

80 Mueller isn't going to be investigating shit in six months. Half his team will be under indictment or disbarred, and he will be too busy preparing his testimony on the Uranium One cover-up.
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Please stop. I'm going to have to go to the ER as it is now. If I stand up and try to walk out of here without a coat over my lap I'll get arrested.

Posted by: a moron at January 19, 2018 04:14 PM (op4Tm)

81 Too much fun playing in the coal bin.

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2018 04:15 PM (aC6Sd)

82 You guys are ruining my punishment if everyone wants coal.

Posted by: Santa Clause at January 19, 2018 04:15 PM (3QAtO)

83
Someone should invent a coal burning fireplace insert, just to freak out the earth huggers.

Posted by: a moron at January 19, 2018 04:11 PM (GaI8G)

Bad idea for inside. CO will kill you seriously dead.
Plus a lot of rads in coal dust.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 04:15 PM (2FqvZ)

84 it's nice of the donks to unquivocally be for amnesty and mass immigration, some very unpopular issues. They must sense the time is all but lost to replace the voiting populace

Posted by: The Dr. Brake Bemoray at January 19, 2018 04:15 PM (V3U1L)

85 71 My recommendation for Trump is to double or triple our SOR right now while the iron is hot.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol from Houston at January 19, 2018 04:12 PM (3QAtO)

I want him to announce full enforcement of all immigration laws on the books and the cutting off of all benefits to non-citizens.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:16 PM (mbhDw)

86 Natural gas factoid . . .

Up the road, a single-reactor site sits across the highway from a natural gas site running 4 turbines, each site puts out about same power. Reactor site has 600 people. NG site has 60. And no federal regulators ensuring proper ass-wiping procedures are followed.

One has announced closing plans, one hasn't.

Cheap natural gas is truly changing the game.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 19, 2018 04:16 PM (JyFLk)

87 Someone should invent a coal burning fireplace insert, just to freak out the earth huggers.

Posted by: a moron at January 19, 2018 04:11 PM (GaI8G)

Bad idea for inside. CO will kill you seriously dead.
Plus a lot of rads in coal dust.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January

have it load and vent from the outside. everyone gets their own 300 foot tall smoke stack as well. put a windmill on the top to collect energy from rising gas.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:16 PM (MTjB1)

88 Presdent Obama should do something about this disaster. We hate Trump for destroying the world again !!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 19, 2018 04:16 PM (hqQ+Q)

89 It is a bad, bad plan. Which will hurt many people. Who are good.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 19, 2018 04:17 PM (KUaJL)

90 BAD PENNY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaFNjY8UPOo

Posted by: BIG BLACK at January 19, 2018 04:17 PM (wq4QV)

91 83
Someone should invent a coal burning fireplace insert, just to freak out the earth huggers.

Posted by: a moron at January 19, 2018 04:11 PM (GaI8G)

Bad idea for inside. CO will kill you seriously dead.
Plus a lot of rads in coal dust.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 04:15 PM (2FqvZ)

But how is it that homes were heated by coal well into the early 60's?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:17 PM (mbhDw)

92 I've lived in several house that had coal fireplaces. You can recognize them by their shallow depth.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2018 04:17 PM (QQ+il)

93 That Putin guy is pretty damned sneaky - he took over the White House without firing a shot.

Because he SOOO has that Trump guy in his pocket.

Doubt me? Just ask that genius, Jim Costa. He knows!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 19, 2018 04:17 PM (UsCnO)

94
Acosta'd by reality.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:18 PM (mbhDw)

95 Putin is trying to destroy oil so he can make nuclear the only viable energy source and bring us to our knees.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (MTjB1)

96 Trump was right. I'm getting a wee bit tired of all this winning.

Posted by: Ghostrider at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (DoGC8)

97

Irony and further proof of Gaylord's incompetence would be for the US to become Cuba's chief supplier.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:08 PM (pIpVu)

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Not unless they pay cash on the barrelhead!!!!

Cuba owes everyone money. The big push to remove US Sanctions isn't so they can buy our stuff (Cuba can do that now if they pay cash), but to have the US Government guaranty the Cuban Loans.

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (4dz1m)

98 91 My old elementary school built in the 30's had coal fired boilers.They used to put out the ash cans all the time.

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (LiyEm)

99 You guys are ruining my punishment if everyone wants coal.
Posted by: Santa Clause

Dive bomb the naughty with it. Ta da!

Posted by: Elf on the waist gunner position at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (326rv)

100 66 >>
I'd kill for coal.
Can't get it in Texas unless I buy a train load.

Grandad used to burn lump coal in his fireplace. A big lump would burn all day long and into the late evening.
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Remember clinkers? My grandmother used to spread them between her and the neighbors garage cuz nothing would grow there.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (YV+SU)

101 I've lived in several house that had coal fireplaces. You can recognize them by their shallow depth.

Posted by: Grump928(C)

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Hmm, same criteria I use for SJWs.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (7ZVPa)

102 I want him to announce full enforcement of all immigration laws on the books and the cutting off of all benefits to non-citizens.

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Wait, not yet. I need another 3-6 months to fix my paperwork first.

Posted by: Daniel Nathan Fairly Jr. at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (GroCc)

103 But how is it that homes were heated by coal well into the early 60's?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:17 PM (mbhDw)

Homes back then didn't have insulation, so drafty as hell. Lot's of fresh air infiltration.

CO is only an issue in tight houses.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 04:20 PM (2FqvZ)

104 And a growing economy will only accelerate the extraction of energy to fuel the growth. win/win if you are in that business.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 19, 2018 04:20 PM (0OmEj)

105 Still not tired of winning.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at January 19, 2018 04:20 PM (72PAC)

106 Someone should invent a coal burning fireplace insert, just to freak out the earth huggers.

Posted by: a moron at January 19, 2018 04:11 PM (GaI8G)

Bad idea for inside. CO will kill you seriously dead.
Plus a lot of rads in coal dust.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 04:15 PM (2FqvZ)

But how is it that homes were heated by coal well into the early 60's?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Ah, the good old days.

Posted by: Killer fog of London at January 19, 2018 04:20 PM (326rv)

107 A house with a fireplace burning is not a tight house, pretty much by definition.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2018 04:20 PM (QQ+il)

108 98 91 My old elementary school built in the 30's had coal fired boilers.They used to put out the ash cans all the time.
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One of the best playground features was our coal pile. Everyone loved jumping into it.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:20 PM (YV+SU)

109 You guys are ruining my punishment if everyone wants coal.
Posted by: Santa Clause at January 19, 2018 04:15 PM (3QAtO)
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You can always stock up on copies of What Happened.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:21 PM (vDqXW)

110 As of Jan 12, 2018 this is the current SPR inventory
https://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/dir.html

Max capacity is 727 million barrels. It reached 726.6 million barrels in December 2009.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:21 PM (pIpVu)

111 That's some GAINZ, brah.

Posted by: Max Power at January 19, 2018 04:21 PM (q177U)

112 Yeah,gas is fine but the left doesn't want that either.They want giant wind and solar sites instead.Imagine how long any coal or gas fired plant that slaughtered birds and bats would last....

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:21 PM (LiyEm)

113 This will be the Shithole Schummer Shutdown.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at January 19, 2018 04:22 PM (LfRHh)

114 102 I want him to announce full enforcement of all immigration laws on the books and the cutting off of all benefits to non-citizens.

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Wait, not yet. I need another 3-6 months to fix my paperwork first.
Posted by: Daniel Nathan Fairly Jr. at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (GroCc)

I want him to announce the full enforcement of 1907, title 8, 1324, aiding and abetting an illegal...

Which makes CONSPIRACY to aid and abet a FELONY.

You cannot shield yourself under Sovereign Immunity, if you are breaking the law...

Posted by: Don Q., Philosophizer at January 19, 2018 04:22 PM (NgKpN)

115 I just thought of this. We can call the Memo "What Happened vol 2"

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:22 PM (vDqXW)

116 108 We didn't have one,school had a big steel door on the side that they would dump the coal into the basement bunkers through.

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:22 PM (LiyEm)

117 You can always stock up on copies of What Happened.

Posted by: Axeman

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Hey, you bastard!

Posted by: Bratty Kids everywhere at January 19, 2018 04:22 PM (7ZVPa)

118 OK, this thread's at 103 and the stompy thing is at 85.

I was really expecting this to have sorted itself out by now, but in a close game I'm going with the boss man's thread.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 04:22 PM (fuK7c)

119
Homes back then, with knob and tube wiring? Same issue. No insulation. Hard to believe, but true.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 04:23 PM (2FqvZ)

120 Just to be clear about this...Trump is NOT a miserable little demagogue.

Posted by: DanMan at January 19, 2018 04:23 PM (0SEK8)

121 Just saw on the news. Pussy Hat March tomorrow to fight back against all the rights that Trump has taken away from everyone in this last year of absolute hell.

Posted by: tu3031 at January 19, 2018 04:23 PM (O5Q3r)

122 86 Natural gas factoid . . .

Up the road, a single-reactor site sits across the highway from a natural gas site running 4 turbines, each site puts out about same power. Reactor site has 600 people. NG site has 60. And no federal regulators ensuring proper ass-wiping procedures are followed.

One has announced closing plans, one hasn't.

Cheap natural gas is truly changing the game.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 19, 2018 04:16 PM (JyFLk)

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We went through this same stuff in the late 1990's.

Cheap Gas! Close the nukes!
Oh no! Nat Gas prices skyrocketed! Nuclear Renaissance!

I think it happened again in the mid 2000's too.

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:23 PM (4dz1m)

123 Hey, you bastard!
Posted by: Bratty Kids everywhere at January 19, 2018 04:22 PM (7ZVPa)
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Or would you prefer Stronger Together?

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:24 PM (vDqXW)

124 Pussy Hat March tomorrow to fight back against all the rights that Trump has taken away from everyone in this last year of absolute hell.

Bless their hearts.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2018 04:24 PM (QQ+il)

125 103 CO is only an issue in tight houses.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 04:20 PM (2FqvZ)

There's a Roman Polanski joke there somewhere.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:24 PM (mbhDw)

126 so, for some mysterious reason nasa pulled some black female astronaut who was scheduled to be the first black astronaut, American, to live on the space station. she is being replaced by a latina who is also American.

both were hired into the program in 2009.

no reason given for yanking her from the mission.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:25 PM (MTjB1)

127 I will always go with Gorilla Pundit as winning thread.

He stomped Ace man. That's ballsy.

As befits a silverback.

Posted by: Professor Chaos, Gumdrop Gorilla Channel at January 19, 2018 04:25 PM (iX3+9)

128 Peat and oil-soaked rags - good enough to power an aircraft carrier, good enough for me.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 19, 2018 04:25 PM (ZIJms)

129 126 She threatened to cut a bitch?

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:25 PM (LiyEm)

130 Reactor site has 600 people.

What can they possibly be doing?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2018 04:26 PM (QQ+il)

131 This is like giving you a bowl of doggie doo, put a cherry on top and call it a chocolate Sunday. This is nothing.

Posted by: wth at January 19, 2018 04:26 PM (HgMAr)

132 Venezuela not only can't make money at current prices, they can't even afford to maintain their equipment. All of their leased tankers have been repossessed, and their loading areas are so filthy, divers have to scrub the hulls of the few ships loading oil before they are allowed to enter other harbors.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2018 04:26 PM (7ZVPa)

133 Pussy Hat March tomorrow to fight back against all the rights that Trump has taken away from everyone in this last year of absolute hell.

Or as I call it, the day I feel the need to apologize to all men for my crazy sisters. And tell them we are not all the same.

That march, as it is now, is so humiliating.

Posted by: Professor Chaos, Gumdrop Gorilla Channel at January 19, 2018 04:27 PM (iX3+9)

134
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2018 04:19 PM (7ZVPa)

Zing!

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:27 PM (4dz1m)

135 112 Yeah,gas is fine but the left doesn't want that either.They want giant wind and solar sites instead.Imagine how long any coal or gas fired plant that slaughtered birds and bats would last....

You know what you get when you cross a flock of birds with a wind farm?

Shredded tweet!

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at January 19, 2018 04:27 PM (3CRoX)

136 I will always go with Gorilla Pundit as winning thread.

He stomped Ace man. That's ballsy.

But you're *here*.

I'll go there too, to see whether you're also there.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 04:27 PM (fuK7c)

137 Either she's sick or pregnant. Either is a good reason to be pulled from a mission.

Being caught wearing Depends and attacking someone, well that's been done already.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:28 PM (pIpVu)

138 >>He stomped Ace man. That's ballsy.

Only if you forget that Ace doesn't read the blog.

Posted by: garrett at January 19, 2018 04:28 PM (wq4QV)

139 This is hilarious. From Twitchy.

NBC News' Ken Delanian tweets: "Russian propagandists and House Republicans have joined together to embrace #releasethememo. "
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This is the perfect reply: "Transparency is a Russian plot"

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:28 PM (vDqXW)

140 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:16 PM (mbhDw)

I didnt know I could choose off menu.

Posted by: Santa Clause at January 19, 2018 04:28 PM (3QAtO)

141 This is the Ewok's house.

I stand with him.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at January 19, 2018 04:29 PM (PFy0L)

142 137. Tonya Harding in Space

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 19, 2018 04:29 PM (ZIJms)

143 >>Either she's sick or pregnant. Either is a good reason to be pulled from a mission.

She's being punished for a mistake?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 19, 2018 04:29 PM (wq4QV)

144 OT: shouldn't a Sotomayor health "scare" really be a health "tease"?

Posted by: rhomboid at January 19, 2018 04:30 PM (QDnY+)

145 >>124 Pussy Hat March tomorrow to fight back against all the rights that Trump has taken away from everyone in this last year of absolute hell.

Nasty.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 04:30 PM (r9UYA)

146 But you're *here*.

I'll go there too, to see whether you're also there.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 04:27 PM (fuK7c)

I twas, I twas. Posts and everything.
Then hopped over here.

Posted by: Professor Chaos, Gumdrop Gorilla Channel at January 19, 2018 04:30 PM (iX3+9)

147 no reason given for yanking her from the mission.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:25 PM (MTjB1)
.............

The other astronauts objected to being cooped up with her music?

Posted by: wth at January 19, 2018 04:30 PM (HgMAr)

148 124 Pussy Hat March tomorrow to fight back against all the rights that Trump has taken away from everyone in this last year of absolute hell.
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Are they actually going to wear pussy hats again? Self awareness never finds someone wearing a pussy hat.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:30 PM (YV+SU)

149 Interesting if true, though no nuclear stats:

In 2016, the coal sector generated an average of 7,745 megawatt hours of electric power per worker, more than twice the 3,812 megawatt hours of electricity generated per natural gas worker, and 79 times more electric power per worker than the solar industry, which produced only 98 megawatt hours of electricity per worker.

http://bit.ly/2DnChSZ

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2018 04:30 PM (QQ+il)

150 NBC News' Ken Delanian tweets: "Russian propagandists and House Republicans have joined together to embrace #releasethememo. "

So, we can assume Kenny is implicated in the illegal wiretapping and leaking of information on private citizens by the Obama administration and their butt-swabbers in the media and deep state?

'Cause that's pretty much what I'm assuming.

Posted by: DocJ at January 19, 2018 04:31 PM (NYS7S)

151 147 no reason given for yanking her from the mission.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 04:25 PM (MTjB1)
.............

The other astronauts objected to being cooped up with her music?
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She couldn't fit into the suit? Couldn't fit through the hatch?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:31 PM (YV+SU)

152 So, has the memo been released to the public?

Posted by: Daniel Nathan Fairly Jr. at January 19, 2018 04:31 PM (GroCc)

153 This is the Ewok's house.

I stand with him.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at January 19, 2018 04:29 PM (PFy0L)

As a Gorilla, I must stand with GPundit. Even if banned.
Plus, he's cute.

Posted by: Professor Chaos, Gumdrop Gorilla Channel at January 19, 2018 04:32 PM (iX3+9)

154
We went through this same stuff in the late 1990's.

Cheap Gas! Close the nukes!
Oh no! Nat Gas prices skyrocketed! Nuclear Renaissance!

I think it happened again in the mid 2000's too.
Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:23 PM (4dz1m)

We need to get rid of the law saying we can't reprocess nuclear waste... a law signed by Carter in 1978...

Posted by: Don Q., Philosophizer at January 19, 2018 04:32 PM (NgKpN)

155 Three people who will never ride a capsule into orbit:
Queen Latifah
Oprah
Lena Dunham

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:32 PM (pIpVu)

156 Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:21 PM (pIpVu)

Make more space. I dont think we are out of salt mines.

Posted by: Santa Clause at January 19, 2018 04:32 PM (3QAtO)

157 NBC News' Ken Delanian tweets: "Russian propagandists and House Republicans have joined together to embrace #releasethememo. "

--

I'm old enough to remember laughing at Pravda headlines.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2018 04:32 PM (7ZVPa)

158 Miss Lindsey tried a little "mean girls" trash talk about Tom Cotton.

All I can say is we're not going to end family immigration for DACA" Graham said. "The Tom Cotton approach has no viability here, You know, he's become sort of the Steve King of the Senate.

Cotton: Oh really?

...Later on Friday, Cotton responded to the South Carolina Senator, telling a group of reporters on Capitol Hill that because Graham failed to win the Republican presidential primary in 2016, he is unqualified to lead the charge on immigration issues nows.

"The difference between Steve King and Lindsey Graham is that Steve King can actually win an election in Iowa," Cotton said. "Look, we had an election in 2016. Immigration was a major issue there and the American people and especially Republican primary voters made it clear that they wanted Donald Trump's vision of immigration policy, not Lindsey Graham's. He didn't make it to the starting line and he didn't even make off the kiddie table in the debates."

Cotton:*mic drop*

Posted by: WisRich at January 19, 2018 04:33 PM (G0vdT)

159 Grump those stats make sense. I don't think anything comes close to coal for energy density (among fossil fuels). This alone would drive those ratios greatly in favor of coal.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 19, 2018 04:33 PM (QDnY+)

160 The space helmet wouldn't seal over her hair?

Posted by: wth at January 19, 2018 04:33 PM (HgMAr)

161 Three people who will never ride a capsule into orbit:
Queen Latifah
Oprah
Lena Dunham
Posted by: Anna Puma

Four - Never President Hillary Clinton

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 04:33 PM (wHJ0y)

162 Are they actually going to wear pussy hats again? Self awareness never finds someone wearing a pussy hat.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:30 PM (YV+SU)

No hats, because it is inclusive of the ladies with dicks. And not every pussy is pink. These are the reasons I've read. And I'm not kidding.

Posted by: Professor Chaos, Gumdrop Gorilla Channel at January 19, 2018 04:34 PM (iX3+9)

163 The SPR expansion was cancelled IIRC.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:34 PM (pIpVu)

164 *not inclusive.

lol

Posted by: Professor Chaos, Gumdrop Gorilla Channel at January 19, 2018 04:35 PM (iX3+9)

165 Man, Lindsay's ass is gonna be chapped. Cotton put a very large loser boot up it.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:35 PM (YV+SU)

166 This alone would drive those ratios greatly in favor of coal.

Also economy of scale. Coal plants tend to be huge.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2018 04:35 PM (QQ+il)

167 The SPR expansion was cancelled IIRC.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:34 PM (pIpVu)

They never do what I want the bastages.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 19, 2018 04:36 PM (3QAtO)

168 Tonya Harding in Space

Roomie got a screener copy of I, Tonya because she works for a network and we watched it last night with No. 1 Son.

Interesting for all the flashbacks and blasts from the past. Margot Robbie is supposed to be Tonya at 15 and she looks 30. Margot Robbie is a fine actress and she has a great ass, so I don't mean to take anything away from her performance, but she's long and lean and elegant and Tonya was a little white trash fireplug.

There's only so much you can do with acting.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 04:36 PM (fuK7c)

169
No hats, because it is inclusive of the ladies with dicks. And not every pussy is pink. These are the reasons I've read. And I'm not kidding.
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From my research every pussy is pink. If its not, don't mess with it, your dick will fall off.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:36 PM (YV+SU)

170 130 Reactor site has 600 people.

What can they possibly be doing?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2018 04:26 PM (QQ+il)

100-150 engineers keeping the paperwork straight.
For the NRC, the state, and the insurance company too.

Six to Eight operators each shift, chemist, HP, lots of Security Guards, I and C techs, all times six shifts. Add in about 200 in maintenance, 100 in training (lots of required training), additional in supply chain, admin, and everything else.

Security alone has gone from one guy and a revolver to teams of *classified* per shift.

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:36 PM (4dz1m)

171 We need to get rid of the law saying we can't reprocess nuclear waste... a law signed by Carter in 1978...

Posted by: Don Q., Philosophizer at January 19, 2018 04:32 PM (NgKpN)

We reprocess stuff from the old USSR and from Japan. I believe.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 04:37 PM (2FqvZ)

172 I guess twitters are exempt from libel laws?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 19, 2018 04:37 PM (7ZVPa)

173 OK, this thread's at 103 and the stompy thing is at 85.

I was really expecting this to have sorted itself out by now, but in a close game I'm going with the boss man's thread.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

I have no gainnnnnz. I DO work in the oil & gas industry.
I'm here.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 04:37 PM (wHJ0y)

174 >>Also economy of scale. Coal plants tend to be huge.

The Germans just put them right at the source. Of course, all of Germany is only the size of Montana.

Posted by: garrett at January 19, 2018 04:37 PM (wq4QV)

175 The butt implants might shift in zero gravity?

Posted by: wth at January 19, 2018 04:37 PM (HgMAr)

176 Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 04:36 PM (fuK7c)

Ever see Tonyas mother. Looks straight out of hillbilly casting.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 19, 2018 04:38 PM (3QAtO)

177 Yeah that is the irony of Uranium One.

Bill Clinton paid the Russians US dollars to buy their nukes to be reprocessed for fuel.

Twenty years later Hillary sells out a large chunk of US uranium production to the Russians.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:38 PM (pIpVu)

178 and Tonya was a little white trash fireplug.

Moar cushion for the pushin'.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 04:39 PM (wHJ0y)

179 Ever see Tonyas mother. Looks straight out of hillbilly casting.

That's Allison Janney in this movie. She nails it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 04:39 PM (fuK7c)

180 You don't burn coal in an open fireplace. If there is an insert, then CO is not an issue. Coal furnaces are not an open coal fire in the basement. Unless there is a crack in it, the CO goes out the chimney.

You don't burn coal the same as wood, though. I use some in my woodstove. It is an airtight woodstove. You can add half a scoop of small lumps and slack to a wood fire to make sure it will stay warm and re-buildable in the morning. To actually use coal as the main fuel, you need, at least, a stanchion so that the coal is held up off the firebox floor, and you run with the intake vents much wider-open.

To idle a wood fire and bake the gases out of the logs, you run up the heat and then shut it down to a fast smolder. Coal does not smolder well; you have to burn it.

When people used near-anthracite quality coal in home furnaces, smoke soot and stink were minor. In hard times, they would down-grade. Dad can remember going across the high suspension bridge and seeing a low-hanging pall of smoke across the whole city on a brisk winter morning, as every ignorant jerk tried to build up his furnace fire with cardboard and lignite after not banking them right overnight. There is a little knowledge and skill involved, which is why we were forced to abandon the system.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 19, 2018 04:40 PM (H5rtT)

181 might be able to get hildog up there if you strapped a few Saturn Vs together

Posted by: x at January 19, 2018 04:40 PM (nFwvY)

182 Moar cushion for the pushin'.

She could crush you with her thighs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2018 04:41 PM (QQ+il)

183 Tonight on Skinemax Tonya Harding in Thighs of Doom!.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:42 PM (pIpVu)

184 I do recall Tony Harding's wedding night or something leaking out to the public....

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:43 PM (LiyEm)

185 Talk about your GAINNNNZZZZ

Posted by: ALH at January 19, 2018 04:43 PM (7DwnJ)

186 damn stringer. you make it sound awesome.

Posted by: x at January 19, 2018 04:43 PM (nFwvY)

187 Couldn't fit through the hatch?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:31 PM (YV+SU)
............

She went head first and made it halfway.

Posted by: wth at January 19, 2018 04:44 PM (HgMAr)

188 Posted by: garrett at January 19, 2018 04:37 PM (wq4QV)

An old friend of my family was an executive with ConEd. He kept pushing coal gasificiation even though he new it would probably never fly.

Why? Because he said that we could power America for 1,000 years on a cubic mile of coal from one mine in Wyoming.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2018 04:44 PM (wYseH)

189 >>184 I do recall Tony Harding's wedding night or something leaking out to the public....

The video is on pornhub so a friend tells me.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 04:44 PM (r9UYA)

190 We reprocess stuff from the old USSR and from Japan. I believe.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 04:37 PM (2FqvZ)

Nope!

We were buying Russian Weapons Grade Uranium, and diluting it to 3-4% U-235 for commercial reactor fuel.

Unfortunately, we never were able to do the same with Russian Plutonium. Now we missed our window of opportunity to do so.

That would have been the best Nuclear Armaments Reduction Plan ever!!!

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:45 PM (4dz1m)

191 I, Tonya made over $11 million gross.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 04:45 PM (wHJ0y)

192 When people used near-anthracite quality coal in home furnaces, smoke soot and stink were minor. In hard times, they would down-grade

East Germany had brown coal. I think it's lignite vs. antrhacite, I don't really know things.

So I'm not really saying it's their fault, you work with what you have, but they burned brown coal and it ruined everything. There was a purple haze, and not in the fun Jimi Hendrix way, the smog was purple. And the sulphur content of the coal ate away all the metal in the machines that ran on coal.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 04:45 PM (fuK7c)

193 Allison Janney is a great actress IMO.

She does this show Mom now, which I hate. But then they added Fitchner, who I've always had a crush on, and the 2 together are great.

So, I watch their scenes, and mute the rest.

Posted by: Professor Chaos, Gumdrop Gorilla Channel at January 19, 2018 04:45 PM (iX3+9)

194 Cashill's saying Steele didn't write the dossier--or at least major portions of it.

Even though I never fully bought in to Cashill's analysis that Bill Ayers wrote Dreams from My Father, he's simply doing textual analysis which he seems to be somewhat skilled at. Don't know that I buy all of it.

But it asks some interesting questions, like why pass it off as his dossier? Is it the MI6 connection, which allowed a greater possibility of FISA acceptance? Or is it the problem with some campaign finance laws?

Something is weird with that dossier. It would be kind of blackly humorous if a bunch of people broke themselves over that piece of shit.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:47 PM (vDqXW)

195
Less Tonya. More Warren.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:49 PM (mbhDw)

196
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 19, 2018 04:40 PM (H5rtT)

That's all pretty fascinating stuff. But I think the issue is burning coal in a modern home with the entire home wrapped and sealed up as tight as possible. A decent sized coal fire, deprived of oxygen becomes a smoldering pile of CO emitting death. Sure, some goes up the chimney, but some doesn't.

There are ways around it, which I have done, with outside air being available close to combustion, but I'd still advise against it.

Better to have an outside/inside system where the coal is burned outside and a hydroponic system brought the heat inside.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 04:50 PM (2FqvZ)

197 Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:47 PM (vDqXW)

Even a layperson like me could point out that it was weird that Obama used a lot of nautical metaphors. It was Cahill that pointed out to me that Ayers also used a lot of these metaphors in his writings. I never knew that part.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 19, 2018 04:50 PM (3QAtO)

198 ...Later on Friday, Cotton responded to the South Carolina Senator, telling a group of reporters on Capitol Hill that because Graham failed to win the Republican presidential primary in 2016, he is unqualified to lead the charge on immigration issues nows.

"The difference between Steve King and Lindsey Graham is that Steve King can actually win an election in Iowa," Cotton said. "Look, we had an election in 2016. Immigration was a major issue there and the American people and especially Republican primary voters made it clear that they wanted Donald Trump's vision of immigration policy, not Lindsey Graham's. He didn't make it to the starting line and he didn't even make off the kiddie table in the debates."

That was the most Extreme Elimination of the Day. This was better than chicks and beer.

Posted by: Kenny Blankenship at January 19, 2018 04:50 PM (326rv)

199
Then again, the Ukrainian girl Howza Bayoul won the gold medal in '94.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:50 PM (mbhDw)

200 Over on Powerline they note that Simpson of Fusion GPS told a Congressional committee they went to the press with the 'dossier' after Comey announced reopening of Hillary's email issue.

It was a deflection job. And I hope it sinks every last one of those miserable freaks.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:50 PM (pIpVu)

201 191 I, Tonya made over $11 million gross.

Well, good (it didn't look like the budget was high). Glad I had a hand in that. It was a good movie.

I can also recommend 12 Strong (now).

LOL, Red Letter Media are going to have to eat crow this year. Usually they make fun of F*** You It's January movies. This January the two movies I've seen are great.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 19, 2018 04:50 PM (6FqZa)

202 197 Obama is fascinated by seamen...

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:51 PM (LiyEm)

203 Margot Robbie is supposed to be Tonya at 15 and she looks 30

That was a problem, but she did manage to play Tonya was a nonelegant person off the rink. Actually sometimes on the rink she played someone brutally athletic (which Tonya was).

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 19, 2018 04:52 PM (6FqZa)

204 201 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 19, 2018 04:50 PM (6FqZa)

Despite an historical inaccuracy of Churchill riding the tube and the huge intentional gaffe of completely ignoring the Molotv-Ribbentrop pact which enabled the start of the War, "Darkest Hour" is quite excellent.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2018 04:52 PM (mbhDw)

205 Frankly "Fuck You it's January!" Is a year round thing from the studios....

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:53 PM (LiyEm)

206 Axeman,

The "Steele Dossier" was actually mostly written by Fusion GPS and Nellie Ohr with 702 intercept (wiretap) information from the FBI National Security Division.

Which was later used by the FBI to to get FISA 702 Warrants after their access was cut off in early 2016 by Admiral Rogers ( 702(17) "About Queries.")

Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:53 PM (4dz1m)

207 204 Never mention Soviet/Nazi collusion!
Hollywood

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 04:53 PM (LiyEm)

208 Soft coal is bituminous, but coal dealers hated people down-grading so they called it lignite out of spite. Lignite is like peat. It's for flavoring whiskey malt.

Our industrial customers wouldn't use any bituminous unless they had a grinder/mixer to blow it in with some anthracite. You get a pretty damn good fire from that. Except for actual power plants, those were a poor investment, because you no more than got rid of your coal shovellers than it was time to close the plant. Dad wasted all his spare time one year learning how to sell, install and service those Iron Fireman units for houses. Meh.

It was wrong to blame factory coal users for visible air pollution in most places, though. Anthracite boilers with blowers were not producing pollution -- that you could see (bwa ha ha...). Making steel is different, because coke is an actual chemical catalyst in the process.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 19, 2018 04:54 PM (H5rtT)

209 To try to explain a coal furnace, it was in basement guess 4 feet in diameter ( being a kid size is hard to gauge in memory) the coal , wood to start went in a door similarly to a steam train. As it burned down adding shovel fulls of coal you had a arm on side you cranked back and forth that raked internally the bottom ashes which fell into a bottom compartment which got shoveled out in metal cans as often there still could be hot. There were ducts that would spread the heat around, my grandparents hose had vents in the 2nd floor to let heat upstairs. The first floor had a big grate we would get dressed over as kids in the winter.

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2018 04:54 PM (aC6Sd)

210 That's all pretty fascinating stuff. But I think the issue is burning coal in a modern home with the entire home wrapped and sealed up as tight as possible. A decent sized coal fire, deprived of oxygen becomes a smoldering pile of CO emitting death. Sure, some goes up the chimney, but some doesn't.

There are ways around it, which I have done, with outside air being available close to combustion, but I'd still advise against it.

I want it for the shop/outbuilding. I have about 300 lbs now for a forge, but it's the small chunk stuff, not the big stove stuff.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 04:54 PM (rpAqR)

211 Even a layperson like me could point out that it was weird that Obama used a lot of nautical metaphors. It was Cahill that pointed out to me that Ayers also used a lot of these metaphors in his writings. I never knew that part.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 19, 2018 04:50 PM (3QAtO)
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Don't get me wrong. I thought Cashill's arguments are were good. And he made a convincing case.

I just don't have quite a lot of faith in the amount of certainty some people gain from textual analysis.

I definitely do think that there is something just strange about the whole dossier. And the analysis I'm reading at AT right now, is hitting home. There are some *terrible* constructions (still, anybody can write a bad sentence).

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:55 PM (vDqXW)

212 Actually sometimes on the rink she played someone brutally athletic (which Tonya was).

Yes.

And even after her there was a black girl skater who did impossible athletic things but didn't "fit the mold". Any help with who I'm thinking of?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 04:56 PM (fuK7c)

213 Doubt anyone in Hollywood will ever make a movie about Katyn Forest.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:56 PM (pIpVu)

214 Man, Lindsay's ass is gonna be chapped. Cotton put a very large loser boot up it.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 04:35 PM (YV+SU)

Nah his ass is probably pretty callused over by now

Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 19, 2018 04:56 PM (y3aQB)

215 No gaaainzzz. Anybody here?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 19, 2018 04:56 PM (4CCz5)

216 DACA terrorists protesting in the Capital rotunda.

Communist Senator Lindsey Graham grabbing at every mic in sight like they're erect dicks.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 04:57 PM (r9UYA)

217 JJ , I didn't see it but only in one review did I resd Churchill's never happened subway ride where he gets stiffened up by a interracial couple and a Caribbean immigrant. Is that right?

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2018 04:58 PM (aC6Sd)

218 Cotton's response was fine as a "sick burn" kinda thing, I guess.

But why not nuke Graham on the substance? "Family immigration" is entirely discretionary. It rarely makes any sense, and it makes no sense now, when the US has zero need for immigration and a desperate need to assimilate recent immigrants, remove illegal aliens, and restore American civic values.

A race-baiting bigoted piece of s**t like Graham deserves no more quarter than a Farrakhan, a Sharpton, or a Gutierrez.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 19, 2018 04:58 PM (QDnY+)

219 No gaaainzzz. Anybody here?

We're all here CB. Talking coal.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 04:58 PM (rpAqR)

220 And even after her there was a black girl skater who did impossible
athletic things but didn't "fit the mold". Any help with who I'm
thinking of?

Surya Bonaly. French. Did back flips.

Posted by: tu3031 at January 19, 2018 04:59 PM (O5Q3r)

221 The "Steele Dossier" was actually mostly written by Fusion GPS and Nellie Ohr with 702 intercept (wiretap) information from the FBI National Security Division.

Which was later used by the FBI to to get FISA 702 Warrants after their access was cut off in early 2016

by Admiral Rogers ( 702(17) "About Queries.")
Posted by: rd at January 19, 2018 04:53 PM (4dz1m)
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I've heard that theory. I don't think we know that as a fact yet, though.

If Nellie Ohr is a native English speaker, or uses words normally, Cashill's analysis kind of puts strain on the idea that it would even be her--but of course, I'd leave to Cashill to track down some of her writing. I *know* about textual analysis, but 1) I'm not skilled in it, and 2) I don't have enough confidence in it to bother.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:59 PM (vDqXW)

222 Allison Janney is a great actress IMO.

She does this show Mom now, which I hate. But then they added Fitchner, who I've always had a crush on, and the 2 together are great.

So, I watch their scenes, and mute the rest.
Posted by: Professor Chaos, Gumdrop Gorilla Channel at January 19, 2018 04:45 PM (iX3+9)

She plays her part extremely well. Even when the jokes are automatic to predict, her delivery makes them funny.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 19, 2018 04:59 PM (y7DUB)

223 One thing in a coal furnace I don't know is if air being transferred is same as exaust out chimney. It couldn't havd been as I said we kids often sat over the grate and we didn't die from carbon dioxide yet heat really came rushing out of there.

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2018 05:01 PM (aC6Sd)

224 AP: Border Wall Models Thwart U.S. Commandos in Tests -BB

So much for "They'll just build taller ladders" horse squeeze. Fvck you GOP.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 05:02 PM (r9UYA)

225 My typing has been fast and horrible in typos

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2018 05:02 PM (aC6Sd)

226 I believe grandads coal furnace in the basement heated a boiler and the hot water was delivered to cast iron radiators throughout the house.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 05:03 PM (r9UYA)

227 @209 You got it. There was an outer jacket on that furnace, though. Cooled air would fall ("gravity furnace" because no duct blower) through fat pipes back into that jacket, not the actual combustion chamber, and then the heated air would go up one pipe to the grille the cat lays on. The gases and smoke were separated from the hot air, just as your heat exchanger does not, on a good day, pass natural gas fumes into your heat ducts.

Late in the game, there were various forms of packaged coal that avoided the bin pile and shovel, and there were automatic devices to add coal a little at a time overnight. But that fire did have to be tended, part of a dad's chores.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 19, 2018 05:03 PM (H5rtT)

228 Surya Bonaly. French. Did back flips.

Yes! Thank you. Just watched a youtube thing.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 05:03 PM (fuK7c)

229
213 Doubt anyone in Hollywood will ever make a movie about Katyn Forest.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 19, 2018 04:56 PM (pIpVu)

Enigma, with Kate Winslet. It's a major factor in the film but not the main driver.

Damn good flick, by the way.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2018 05:04 PM (eXA4G)

230 Like Cashill's last sentence: "If Christopher Steele wrote it himself, Cambridge should rescind his degree."

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 05:05 PM (vDqXW)

231 One thing in a coal furnace I don't know is if air being transferred is same as exaust out chimney. It couldn't havd been as I said we kids often sat over the grate and we didn't die from carbon dioxide yet heat really came rushing out of there.

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2018 05:01 PM (aC6Sd)

It could have been that back then they kept a basement window open. I only have a very vague recollection of being in a coal heated home. Once.

With that many btu available keeping a basement window open was probably no big deal.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 05:05 PM (2FqvZ)

232 218 Cotton's response was fine as a "sick burn" kinda thing, I guess.

But why not nuke Graham on the substance? "Family immigration" is entirely discretionary. It rarely makes any sense, and it makes no sense now, when the US has zero need for immigration and a desperate need to assimilate recent immigrants, remove illegal aliens, and restore American civic values.

A race-baiting bigoted piece of s**t like Graham deserves no more quarter than a Farrakhan, a Sharpton, or a Gutierrez.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 19, 2018 04:58 PM (QDnY+)
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I just read that Schumer said there would be no deal as long as Cotton is involved in the negotiations. Graham is working for the Democrats.

Please Trump, keep Cotton right by your side.

Posted by: WisRich at January 19, 2018 05:06 PM (G0vdT)

233 Doubt anyone in Hollywood will ever make a movie about Katyn Forest.

[snaps chewing gum]Why? Was she a really bad figure skater?[up-breath accent]

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 19, 2018 05:06 PM (H5rtT)

234 I do remember the school radiators got beastly hot....

Posted by: steevy at January 19, 2018 05:06 PM (LiyEm)

235 You can always stock up on copies of What Happened.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 04:21 PM (vDqXW)

There are huge stacks of them available at Costco.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 19, 2018 05:07 PM (xDKH6)

236 So much winning with the Beltway GOP.

Now McConnell, master of the political stratagem, is taunting the Dems by pointing out that there are almost 9 million precious doe-eyed widdle kids on CHIP, but only 690K current recipients of DACA "protection". CHIP would end with appropriations deadline tonight (not really, probably), DACA situation (quite illegal, still, even after Trump EO'd it) lasts until March.

I well remember the crowds at Trump rallies chanting about protecting CHIP.

I remember the exit polling in the Rust Belt states, showing how CHIP was the thing that enTrumpified the electorate.

And it's long been an axiom of politics that the GOP's best angle is always to paint itself as the champion of helpless widdle victims, rescued by noble magical guvamint programs.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 19, 2018 05:07 PM (QDnY+)

237 A former KGB spy who defected to the United States, Konstantin Preobrazhenky, did not feel qualified to assess the language of the dossier. English is not his first language. As to content, however, he told us, "There is no information in the dossier whatsoever. It's just foolish speculation. There are no references. It is not an intelligence document of any kind. I was laughing when I was reading it."

https://tinyurl.com/y84l3nmm

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 05:08 PM (vDqXW)

238 There was a chimney duct but there were other ducts that ran elsewhere.

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2018 05:08 PM (aC6Sd)

239 Can't believe Dems think they can pick who they negotiate with. Chutzpah much?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 05:09 PM (YV+SU)

240 We had a wood burning stove in the basement that heated the house in the 70s because oil crisis and that was supposed to be good for the environment. (At some point since then it became bad for the environment).

At some point we switched to burning coal in it. I didn't like it because it wasn't as sexy as burning wood, but dad was a very practical man and he was convinced that coal was better.

I don't know whether or not I got brain damage from coal fumes, because how do you know if you have brain damage?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 05:09 PM (fuK7c)

241 Shut it down!!! Release the memo!!!!

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 19, 2018 05:10 PM (0OmEj)

242 cotton rules

Posted by: concrete girl's pee-chee folder at January 19, 2018 05:10 PM (C6eZV)

243 Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 05:09 PM (fuK7c)

How many fingers am I holding up?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 19, 2018 05:10 PM (3QAtO)

244 242 cotton rules

Love that guy in a non-homo way.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 05:11 PM (r9UYA)

245 missed this thread until now.

While America's production is going up, Venezuela's is going down, dropping 29% in just the last 12 months. The cause isn't hard to figure - the Venezuelan Govm't has been stripping every petrodollar they can out of its oil subsidiary, and they have absolutely Zero into any field or equipment maintenance.

Oil fields aren't magic valves that one turns on to watch money come out - their equipment take constant maintenance and work, just like an old car does. I've read that of the drilling and workover rigs left in the country when the major's pulled out, EVERY ONE is now broken down and waiting on parts. And Venezuela can't buy parts because they have no money left, and what money they can find has to go for food.

And now Venezuela's solution, over the last month, has been to arrest 70 Pdvsa executives (the state oil company) and to replace them with Generals who have never set foot in an oil field with their lives. I guess the plan is that if the Oil Wells stay broken down and refuse to produce, the Generals will line up a firing squad and shoot at them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 19, 2018 05:11 PM (k1TUh)

246 244 242 cotton rules

Love that guy in a non-homo way.
Posted by: Under Fire at January 19, 2018 05:11 PM (r9UYA)

Man Crush.

Posted by: WisRich at January 19, 2018 05:11 PM (G0vdT)

247 At some point we switched to burning coal in it. I didn't like it because it wasn't as sexy as burning wood, but dad was a very practical man and he was convinced that coal was better.

Always loved the smell of burning coal.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 05:12 PM (rpAqR)

248 234 I do remember the school radiators got beastly hot....
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Steam heat is a great way to heat a house during winter. You get moist warm air. Forced heat is always dry.

The other great way is through the floor. Lived in a house in Michigan with floor heat and it was wonderful.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 05:12 PM (YV+SU)

249 Can't believe Dems think they can pick who they negotiate with. Chutzpah much?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 05:09 PM (YV+SU)
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Problem is that anybody has of yet beat it out of them. I can't think that the Ways and Means or the Rules committee in the Pelosi-chaired House would have ever scheduled an Obama Impeachment floor vote. And yet, we've had two of them for Trump.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 05:12 PM (vDqXW)

250
Howza Bayoul

My bayoul is just fine. Thank you.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 19, 2018 05:14 PM (E3rQ4)

251 249 Can't believe Dems think they can pick who they negotiate with. Chutzpah much?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 05:09 PM (YV+SU)
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Problem is that anybody has of yet beat it out of them. I can't think that the Ways and Means or the Rules committee in the Pelosi-chaired House would have ever scheduled an Obama Impeachment floor vote. And yet, we've had two of them for Trump.
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Simple. Trump deports them and blames it on a cold and NyQuil. Totes Legal.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 05:14 PM (YV+SU)

252 While America's production is going up, Venezuela's
is going down, dropping 29% in just the last 12 months. The cause
isn't hard to figure - the Venezuelan Govm't has been stripping every
petrodollar they can out of its oil subsidiary, and they have absolutely
Zero into any field or equipment maintenance.

Oil fields aren't magic valves that one turns on to watch money come
out - their equipment take constant maintenance and work, just like an
old car does. I've read that of the drilling and workover rigs left in
the country when the major's pulled out, EVERY ONE is now broken down
and waiting on parts. And Venezuela can't buy parts because they have
no money left, and what money they can find has to go for food.

And now Venezuela's solution, over the last month, has been to
arrest 70 Pdvsa executives (the state oil company) and to replace them
with Generals who have never set foot in an oil field with their lives.
I guess the plan is that if the Oil Wells stay broken down and refuse
to produce, the Generals will line up a firing squad and shoot at them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 19, 2018 05:11 PM (k1TUh)

Also most of Venezuala's reserves are heavy crude... which means once they stop flowing (due to equipment breakdown of worker's strikes or whatever), they are the devil to get started again.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 19, 2018 05:15 PM (xDKH6)

253 Nobody ever recommends coal in a woodstove...but it happens. In the modern era, a neighbor put in one of those corn/pellet-fuel things, with an injector motor and various fans, just before gas prices broke the last time. And, just in time for ethanol demand to jack up the price of corn. So there the damn thing sets.

He's not totally pissed off though, since we're both old enough to have seen the pendulum swing a couple of times. If things get dicey enough he can un-sod his side lot and probably grow enough "dent" to keep the pipes from freezing. As long as we can get gas for the tillers. He's not ready for oxen.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 19, 2018 05:15 PM (H5rtT)

254 Can't believe Dems think they can pick who they negotiate with. Chutzpah much?
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 05:09 PM (YV+SU)

They're used to the GOP folding like gutless cowards, such as when Jamie Gorelick was on the 9/11 commission instead of being grilled by it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 19, 2018 05:16 PM (y7DUB)

255 Nobody ever recommends coal in a woodstove...but it happens.

Isn't it because coal gets so much hotter than wood?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 05:17 PM (rpAqR)

256 Vogelzang makes a cast iron pot belly stove for use with coal. I would give my left nut for it.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 05:19 PM (rpAqR)

257 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2018 05:20 PM (rpAqR)

258 Isn't it because coal gets so much hotter than wood?

I don't know because apparently I got brain damaged from the burning of coal.

I do think that the Ingersol guy is holding up 13 fingers and that's probably because he just did a murder, because humans are supposed to be outfitted with only 10.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 19, 2018 05:20 PM (fuK7c)

259 http://bit.ly/2DkeVNY

Judicial Watch Releases "NEW Smoking Gun" Proof Hillary Clinton Mishandled Classified Information (VIDEO)

Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 19, 2018 05:21 PM (y3aQB)

260 Steam heat is a great way to heat a house during winter. You get moist warm air. Forced heat is always dry.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 19, 2018 05:12 PM (YV+SU)

Forced air is not just dry, but you have the 'wind chill' factor. Seventy degree air blowing across me? Sweater time. You don't want to sit outside in summer when it's seventy degrees with *any* air movement. It's not pleasant.

I like my hydroponic system with 10,000 feet of copper (slight exaggeration) on every outside wall. Sixty five degrees in winter feels like shorts and t-shirt weather. It's constantly pumpin' btu like a summa bitch. Go closer to the outside wall and it gets even hotter.

The downside? Expensive as hell. Inefficient as hell. Prone to freezing up and raising holy hell if the temp goes too low.

But the best. With an asterisk or ten.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 19, 2018 05:22 PM (2FqvZ)

261 When I was 19, I got a chance to stay in a cabin my grandfather owned out in the woods in Wisconsin. June nights were still cold, and he had a potbellied cast iron stove in that cabin for heat with a bucket of coal chunks next to it. I had never seen real coal before, but i figured what the heck, it burns, so I loaded that potbelly up, lit it, and went to sleep in a little side room where the bed was.

I woke up at about 2 AM to this weird glow - couldn't figure it out since no lights were on - and I looked into the main room and that entire stove was glowing a bright, bright cherry red. Scared the shit out of me, especially since at this point it was way too hot for me to even get very close to it. I moved everything flammable away (some stuff was already smoking) and got the door open with a stick, and I started slowly sprinkling little bits of water into the fire. I think it took me most of the night to stop that thing from glowing.

I should have burned myself up in that building that night - one more time my life was spared in spite of my best efforts.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 19, 2018 05:22 PM (k1TUh)

262 @255 Yep. Putting a full "wabash" into a regular air-tight stove would blow it up real good. Now, the old wood furnaces, which you'd be lucky to see one of, had a lot more thermal mass to them, and would take the heat, although the grates would be different.

Steam heat is bone-dry. The steam is inside that radiator, not out in the room. Only a home designed to have servants would have had steam heat, because it takes an operating engineer to run the boiler safely. You can run a warm-water boiler with the same pipes and radiators, without as much white-knuckle precision. There were even some systems with no circulator pumps, that just worked by convection.

Burning natural gas releases a great deal of water vapor. I suppose that in the most modern systems that all goes out the cool little plastic pipe, but 50 years ago it would precipitate all over the basement. Oil had less vapor, and that was seen as an advantage, but if your oil jets weren't just right you'd get that fuel-oil residue and smell, which I think is dirtier than coal dust.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 19, 2018 05:25 PM (H5rtT)

263 Exxon. Halliburton. BP. Come get some!

Posted by: Hope Solo at January 19, 2018 05:26 PM (jeefx)

264 sigh, bad translations. Just read this cringe in a study of an Arabic translation of some old Syriac apocalyptic writing -

"In the book there was written how the angels ravished John in a vision to the sky"

I think the word they are looking for is 'raptured'.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 19, 2018 05:27 PM (6FqZa)

265 "In the book there was written how the angels ravished John in a vision to the sky"

I think the word they are looking for is 'raptured'."

In the Philippino version, the angels say "Hey John we Ravish you Very Much, 2 Denarii!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 19, 2018 05:30 PM (k1TUh)

266 HYDRONIC. Hydroponic is how you grow pot in a greenhouse.
It is not inefficient. It's your boiler that's probably inefficient.
Mine is over 50 years old and is still saving me hundreds every year, compared to the fuel oil forced-air we used to have. Of course, when Dad put that first furnace in, oil was 3 cents a gallon.

Again, forced-air duct systems convey a lot more moisture through the house than any piped-water system. If it's coming out too dry, you can add a humidifier, something you can't do with hydronic even if you need it.

You do not want your house air completely dry. It's bad for you, and it feels cold. After I cheated and installed an actually air-tight roof, I didn't need humidifiers any more, which was great because they are a hazard and a PITA.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 19, 2018 05:34 PM (H5rtT)

267 someone said tonya sold her wedding night vid for 10k at the time because she and gillooly or whatever her loser husbands name was needed cash.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at January 19, 2018 05:40 PM (GFAq1)

268 Judicial Watch Releases "NEW Smoking Gun" Proof Hillary Clinton Mishandled Classified Information (VIDEO)
Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 19, 2018 05:21 PM (y3aQB)
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I'm pretty sure there was already a smoking gun for that. It's just that it's like Hillary was a little girl jumping on her bed which she broke, the press would start running stories about the sheer number of men who were seen coming through windows and doing stuff kids get blamed for and we don't absolutely know that it was her.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2018 05:47 PM (vDqXW)

269 Can I say it? I will say it. America - fuck yeah!

Posted by: Dean Wormer at January 19, 2018 06:36 PM (fftfA)

270 Gas/oil prices are up in the last year unsure how this hurts Russia

Posted by: Yeah at January 20, 2018 08:31 AM (iuS/3)

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